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DiscussionPersonVA/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 06:40 PM
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Do you think only women who work out themselves like guys with an athletic build...? This isn't a question of shared hobbies or interests. Women largely don't care that a guy goes to the gym, they care about how it makes the guys body look. Women don't automatically find a fat guy hot just because he goes to the gym and they don't find a fit guy ugly because he just naturally looks that way without hitting the gym. You still seem to think looks and compatibility are somehow not related. Compatib…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 04:48 PM
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You seem to think there is a fixed number of "compatible" people in life that doesn't change no matter what somebody does. This isn't the case. How somebody looks is part of the equation if somebody is compatible. You can meet him or her when changing a flat tire, except whether it really is him or her is determined by among other things whether they find you unattractive due to being overweight, or attractive due to working out. Do you agree or disagree that if you become more attractive to a l…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 10:53 AM
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Sure, and what speaks against improving the luck odds?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 08:20 AM
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Not all interests have a 50/50 gender ratio and not all shared interests cause people to meet up and meet new people all the time. The loneliness epidemic isn't caused by people having no interests anymore, it's caused by interests having shifted to being an at home activity you do by yourself. Except women still have the opportunity to fairly easily meet new people on dating apps. And besides it doesn't matter if you share interests with somebody if they find you unattractive. That just means y…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 07:05 AM
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Are you saying you don't think there is a relationship between what the sugar babe has to offer vs what sugar daddies are willing to pay? That's just basic economics.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 04:56 PM
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i personally could not do it. i would be exhausted from it in the first hour. being asl sugar baby isnt just about looking good. This really just depends on how much the sugar daddy is paying. Sure, if he splurges on 1000 dollar handbags and pays her rent he is probably expecting more than a girl who seems disinterested and like she would rather do something else. It's not like it's torture to talk to somebody you don't find that interesting. And unless the guy is hideous most women would probab…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 02:01 PM
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Meeting people is pure chance. Finding somebody that is compatible is pure chance too. Making yourself attractive in conventional ways is just increasing the size of the group of people that would consider you compatible. Very few women think what is conventionally attractive in a man is actually unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 01:03 PM
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You either have to be extremely lucky or extremely attractive to become a male sugar babe. Most average looking women could conceivable become a sugar babe, the vast majority of women just don't want to be one or only want to have their cake and eat it too and be a sugar babe to a guy they would already want to be with for free. Same reason straight male prostitutes are not really a thing. Sex is free for most women and pretty much readily available (for women under 50 at least). Not just with f…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 11:44 AM
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I don't think women dislike it when they are treated "well", but what "well" means is different for every woman and possibly contradictory to the common held definition. It's also just not true that treating women "well" is the only thing that really matters and all you need provided you take a shower each day and wear clean clothes. Women don't "lie" when they claim this, since I think it's just one of those things that's comfortable to actually believe in even though it's false. Women also kno…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 08:51 AM
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I think women make this jump because they anticipate that that must be the next element in the line of reasoning and preemptively argue against it because they are scared that the line of reasoning progresses to this point. It's also a sort of shield against the conclusions drawn from these observations, as framing these men as rapists that want to turn women into sex-slaves makes it easier to not empathize with them for their undeniable suffering. If women didn't have any "skin in the game" I t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 11:05 AM
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It's a very good summary of the things they actually want, because describing yourself in an exhaustive list of things which all tie in to being involuntarily celibate is not a practical way to go about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 10:59 AM
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The vast majority of incels are aware of this because pretty much everyone of them heard the "Get a prostitute" argument before. It's the strawman women and "normies" (I hate the word but it describes this group perfectly) use because this very superficial position is easy to attack and ridicule. It's much harder to ridicule incels for craving intimacy and feeling left out from a large part of life in the form of relationships in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 10:56 AM
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I want to commend you for eloquently putting these issues into words from the perspective of a guy, in a way that women might actually understand and accept.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 10:51 AM
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The issue isn't that I don't like it, it's that you're coming in here guns blazing to talk about something unrelated and then complain that you don't care when the actual topic is brought up.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 08:30 PM
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Good luck to you continuing to try to fix whatever chip on your shoulder you have by being on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 07:45 PM
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Have you ever considered that the way you "debate" makes it impossible to actually point out to you how you're wrong? Instead of responding to arguments or taking examples at face value, all you do is hand-wring over the words used or parallels drawn, and how this supposedly reflects on the person making the argument. How about you don't enter this with the mindset that you have to prove that you're a better person than everybody here? You're terminally online on a debate sub, but barely spend a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 07:40 PM
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Not my circus okay. Why are you even here if you don't want to talk about these issues? I don't know why you even responded to me, you seem to want to have a totally different discussion than this post.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 07:25 PM
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"Wäääähhhh I don't like the way he phrased his metaphor, I don't wanna talk anymore!!! D':"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 07:23 PM
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All I am doing is proving that this is utter bull shit and that it is absolutely their choice to remain virgins and incels. What? You didn't prove anything, just mentioned some anectdotal accounts of incels that had an opportunity to lose their virginity. This isn't even what this is about, this is about being desperate for sex, not desperate to lose your virginity. And define "choice" here, do you agree that there are some people who have it much harder than other people to do something? Most p…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 07:18 PM
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First, just because people are aware they could've had sex once in their life doesn't discredit the notion that they could be desperate. This is like saying a 27 year old guy is clearly not actually desperate for friends (despite saying so), because he refused a birthday invitation when he was 14. Second, this post is making the bold claim that NO incels exist that don't have opportunities for sex but are desperate for it. This is CLEARLY not the truth thanks to the rule of large numbers, but ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 06:28 PM
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Do you recognize that bringing up 3 anecdotal accounts isn't proof for your statement that ALL thousands or millions of Incels are in this situation? ​ Here we go again comparing blue balls to actual societal problems. And you people wonder why there's no "empathy". Dude cry me a river, I just couldn't be bothered to come up with an example that is both easy to understand and perfectly equivalent in terms of seriousness. It's the same issue, you're claiming that a certain hardship of a large gro…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 06:17 PM
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Do you think every or most Incels know at least one woman that would have sex with them or even just go on a date if they asked? This is just a strange take on reality. It's like saying "Poor people aren't really poor, they are just picky about jobs".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 05:48 PM
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What? Are you claiming women are less picky than men about who they have sex with? That's just not reality. An average looking woman would have a 50/50 shot at having sex with an average looking, single, heterosexual dude if she offered it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 10:53 AM
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Japan is more an issue of people being overworked 24/7 and because men are socially completely underdeveloped when it comes to dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 10:48 AM
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Oh really but that’s the same study people on here use to “prove” that women are only want the top 20% of men. So what is it, the study is represantative so you believe that claim too, or the study is not representative and you don't believe your own claim...? ​ I’m not even denying that men are thirstier than women mind you but that doesn’t fully explain the dating app situation. Well I guess it does but not directly. There aren’t even number of men and women on these apps so men have multiple …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 08:22 PM
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First of all, I would doubt the accuracy of a study on dating-sites from 2009 when talking about 2023. This is like citing a study on internet use from 1998 to make an argument about today. Second, this doesn't support your argument that men swipe "everything" and then "filter", as this study specifically claims they are selectively swiping the more attractive women. This also doesn't adress the fact that men not getting nearly enough matches to supposedly "filter" is not down to swiping behavio…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 07:57 AM
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I don't know where women get the idea from that the majority or even a large part of men uses dating apps this way. I'm a reasonably attractive dude and had a good profile, I'm fairly confident I was in the top 30-40% of male profiles. Getting 5 Likes a week was a lot for me, usually it was more like 2-3 (discounting visa diggers from SE Asia or Africa). The bottom 30% get barely any likes or none at all in a month, been there too. The only men who consistently have multiple likes per day to eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 05:00 PM
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Because, I’m average, average people don’t turn heads or attract a large amount of people lol Not IRL maybe, but on OLD you get A LOT of attention, way more than even a hot guy could get either IRL or on OLD. What excatly was hard about it for if I may ask? ​ FDS is an incredibly small community and frankly a weird sub. They don’t have much impact in the real world 250k members is not exactly a small community. And generally, the size of a sub on reddit indicates how prevalent a set of believes …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 12:05 PM
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Ok well I’m neither of those things and I had a pretty hard time so How? If you are an average looking woman I can promise you there are going to be at least handful of guys who will want to go on a date with you today if you sign up to OLD. ​ Source? Even so, why do you have to get with someone “equal” to you rather than just someone you like? FDS is basically the crystallized form of that, a bunch of women who are not really special in any regard but think they deserve a handsome, tall, wealth…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 09:45 AM
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How is that even a reply to what I wrote? Are you calling me a Narcissist because I think looks matter in dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 12:14 PM
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Survivorship-bias. You see all the ugly and poor men with their girlfriends and wives, but you have no idea how many of the ugly and poor men you see alone outside have nobody. Do you even acknowledge that personality isn't all that counts and that if all things including personality being equal, an unattractive man is going to have a much harder time dating than an attrative man? Anything else is just pure delusion to a ridiculous degree, it's like claiming being rich has nothing to do with whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 10:41 AM
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You are doing the thing OP criticized, you think because the other side is doing worse that means you are right in your believes, when it could actually be the case that you are wrong and misinterpretating why you are doing good. There are just some things about the Blue Pill which are objectively wrong when examined with any scrutiny. Looks matter, status matters, wealth matters additionally to personality but when those prior three things are all in the gutter it's reeeeeally difficult to date…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/22 08:34 PM
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Yeah I think most people put the bar of what counts as "too unattractive to date" way too high for men, yeah if you're literally disfigured or look like a goblin you're going to have a very hard time, but honestly most black-pilled people have put in very little actual effort or had unrealistic expectations what caused them to become black-pilled. I'll only believe that it's actually over for a guy if they got an athletic physique, are unquestionably well dressed and groomed, have a stable caree…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 01:04 PM
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I don't think you can anywhere really, most places are not even at the point of accepting homosexual couples.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 12:52 PM
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Well because Sex (when you can't get it easily) is actually about two other things, not the actual physical sensation of Sex. First, there is a lot of societal pressure on men to have Sex or at least be in the position to have Sex, a man who doesn't have Sex despite trying is almost unequivocally seen as a loser or somebody to pity. Second, it's a form of validation that you as a person are enough (attractiveness-wise, personality-wise) for a woman to want to have Sex with you, which is a decent…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 10:23 AM
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You have it incredibly difficult as a woman? How so? To be honest I can't imagine a woman having great difficulties finding dates unless she is exceptionally unattractive, like 400lbs heavy or seriously disfigured. Well no, there is not someone for everyone even though it's 50/50. There is a decent portion of women who don't want to get with a man that's equal to her in looks and other qualities. There are some men like that sure, but I feel like men are more likely to settle for someone if they…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 08:52 AM
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Unhappiness tends to make people unproductive.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 02:12 PM
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Right, we're done here I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 09:38 PM
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Your arguments are so bad it's borderline insulting. Now your argument is: "You have to think you're the one who will singlehandedly spear-head your policy-idea, because literally nobody else will ever get this idea otherwise!" Talk about grasping for straws. Why are you so desperate to act like you know why my idea is unfeasible? You can't honestly think that you are making convincing arguments right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 07:48 PM
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That you claim me proposing a solution to a problem in society is me advertising myself as the person to implement these changes alone is quite the straw-man my dude. I don't know, maybe it's necessary so you can better dishonestly reduce me and my position to that I'm just mad that I personally don't get laid. That way you hope you can signal some kind of superiority by attempting to virgin-shame me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 06:31 PM
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What exactly makes you so upset about my ideas?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 05:52 PM
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I feel like you don't even know what your own point is right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 04:54 PM
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Giving people the option to choose to have a girl is not the same as forcing people to only have 1 child. Gender had nothing to do with the 1 child policy, not being allowed to have more than 1 child just made people desperate to only have a boy, because boys were culturally worth more than girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 03:05 PM
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Ok the last part the actual crux of all these hypotheticals men want to make access to sex easier for them. Not dating let’s not pretend, sex. Now we can debate! I'm not pretending, it's about both. Dating for a relationship is necessarily even more difficult than just trying to get Sex, because a relationship almost always involves Sex but a pure hook-up rarely becomes a relationship. If getting Sex is difficult for men, that goes even more so for dating. To do that changing populations wouldn’…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 03:02 PM
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And is this what I'm proposing here?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 02:50 PM
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Broccoli could become scarce but that wouldn't increase demand. That's literally wrong. Are things like asparagus way more expensive than broccoli because it just tastes so much more amazing, or because it's much rarer? Do trueffles cost literally hundrets of times more than other mushrooms because they just taste hundrets of times better than regular mushrooms, even though they taste not much different to those mushrooms if seasoned right? Do you actually think that all highly sought after thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 01:54 PM
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So before 18 or after, those numbers seem off, they would also change drastically with age groups, source please. That stat describes how many men and women had no opposite sex sexual partners past turning 18 years old. Someone who is 24 and had no sexual partners after turning 18 very likely didn't have any before turning 18 either, so this is a pretty accurate number to estimate virginity. Sure the number would change with age, but right now the only people you can ask are people who lost thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 01:43 PM
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If my assumption of his implication is wrong, his statement was completely meaningless and irrelevant to the conversation. I tend to presume people want to communicate relevant things with the statements they make. What do you think he meant to say with that? Just communicate to us that he doesn't know anybody that is single despite trying? Ok, I don't personally know any gay black men. Or female circus performers. Or pet snake owners under the age of 10. These things are meaningless pieces of i…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 01:14 PM
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Mainly the reality of the scarcity principle. Things become more valuable when they are perceived to be scarce and less valuable when they are abundant. This goes for pretty much all things that we desire and has been proven to be very true and is extensively used in marketing for example. What makes you think your standarts and desires are completely detached and independent from the outside world?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 01:08 PM
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A basic google search showed the cdc said 12.3% females and 14.3% males aged 20- 24, that number drops to 4.4% females and 4.8% males 24-29 drops even lower past that. Hardly ‘way’ more, in my opinion. You should've checked when the CDC said that. It was in 2011, using Data from 2006-2008. More or less up to date data from the 2018 GSS shows the percentage of men under 30 who had no opposite sex partners since turning 18 (so very likely virgins) to be 27%, while for women it's 17%. That's a 60% …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 12:58 PM
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You do realize people could reject that IVF procedure with zero penalty and have whatever number and gender of children they like, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 11:59 AM
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This is just how psychology works in general. But yeah, people are rarely able to accept the results from psychological research in general and think themselves above it. Can you tell me what "kind" is? Or "intelligent"? Or "caring"? All these qualities are wildly subjective and relative. In a society where the average man would have an IQ of 120, somebody who would be considered by all in our society to be very intelligent with an IQ of 130 would barely count as such in the other society. Inter…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 11:57 AM
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But one would have to prove the status quo is actually off. And online dating is NOT a real world marker. What causes way more men to be virgins than women? ​ My unattractive girlfriends are either hopelessly single or partnered with unattractive mates. Yeah and if it were unnattractive male friends they would almost all be hopelessly single, at least in the actual sense where they have no options. I'm almost sure your friends do have options, the "hopeless" part just refers to how they don't ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 11:48 AM
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You don't see that in your own human engineering plan there? No I actually don't. In my "human engineering plan" everybody is still free to choose, people aren't assigned any role or qualities at birth, turning down Sex is still as allowed as today and there is nothing dystopian about it. What am I missing? Or was the part where humans voluntarily influence birthrates enough to trigger the 1984/Brave New World-Reflex?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 11:40 AM
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What is considered "the right one" is a flexible construct, not a hardcoded definition in women's brains. It will be harder to find a man, if the definitions of women stay the same. But they won't. People adapt their standarts to what they think they can get, that makes a lot of sense actually. 10% of women can still check out of dating entirely, but in this scenario that wouldn't mean 10% of men are forced to check out by that, but 0%, because there are still an equal amount of women and men le…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 11:37 AM
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So you think it's impossible to convince 10% of couples in the US to take free IVF, because flat-earthers exist, am I getting this correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 11:33 AM
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"Attractiveness" isn't an objective measure. People become attractive just because they are rarer, this is an observable fact. I'm getting tired of asking you to make the actual argument why you keep claiming my idea is unethical, you clearly aren't able to and would rather keep pretending you are by finding excuses. ​ You know what's a real solution? Legalise and regulate sex work. You've understood nothing. The issue with loneliness and people being depressed over not finding a partner is just…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 10:58 AM
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Just found this. I'm an engineering student. Engineering students are for the most part not interesting to women, what we study and know a lot about is boring to most women. Add to that that most engineering degrees are mostly done by men, and many engineering students do not socialize at all with women due to this, nerdy hobbies and introvercy. You are out of touch if you believe engineering students are out there slaying, you can actually find studies that show engineering students have some o…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 10:48 AM
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Sure it would make it harder for women, by making it equally as difficult for men and women. It's not favoring to look for a ratio of people that isn't 50/50.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 10:44 AM
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If there were 10 times as many men as women, for the most part only the absolute best looking men would get into relationships and 7/10 men in our society would still be considered full of flaws that make them clearly unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 10:41 AM
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That every men finds a partner if they just put a bit of effort into self-improvement isn't true, and you know that. The men that end up single aren't all 400lb greasy man-children who do nothing all day but play videogames and watch p*rn. It would come out to $20 of extra taxes a year for this. The US military costs you 150 times that by the way. Stop trying to frame it like this is about me, I know that that's really important for you so you can defuse my idea as just some selfish power-trip, …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 10:38 AM
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A lot of women go single during that time because they haven't found "the right one" not because they are opposed to a relationship in principle. Yes, obiously that means some men don't have the qualities women are looking for. Those qualities women looking for are neither 100% determined by genes and neither set in stone, they are dictated in a large part by societal influences and availability. An "attractive man" isn't an objective measure, it's a man that is more attractive relative to other…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 10:25 AM
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What a strange argument. The reasons there are seperate measurement systems are completely different from this. Why do you think this applies here? Do you think it's just impossible in general to have society agree on new things?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 10:18 AM
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His response was clearly implying that he believes if a man makes SOME effort, he's practically guaranteed to get a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 10:13 AM
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Sure, you can always decide to stay single. My argument isn't that people will be forced to get together with people they don't like because of scarcity, but that they will like people they didn't before because of scarcity. Scarcity has a huge impact on how we value things. And concerning "roleplaying god", we have done and are capable of a lot more things which are a lot more serious than making it so that there are 10% more women in society.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 10:11 AM
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China didn't do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 10:08 AM
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I read it, what part about it do you see as an argument against this?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 10:07 AM
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But the status quo where it's mostly undesirable men who are the involuntarily single ones is acceptable? Why not make it so this group is equally made up of men and women (which in total size would probably be smaller)? Women aren't "engineered to make an Incels life better", they would just exist in slightly larger numbers than men, they are still perfectly able to choose freely. And I disagree that availability is only a small part of what makes people desire things.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 10:06 AM
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Right, there is like a 2% chance that child is going to be either gay or trans, very important point. I don't want more women to "please men", women are perfectly free to choose to be single still. What's wrong with making it so that men are more likely to find a partner? What unjust downside is there for women?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 10:02 AM
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Literally nobody has precisely explained what is unethical about this so far and just vaguely gestured at things or said that it's obvious. I think people just have a gut reaction that they don't like it and feel like they need to voice that by saying it's "unethical". Please, I beg you, explain to me why it is unethical for the state to offer (not force) free IVF to people who want to have a daughter.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 11:04 PM
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Once again, the guy was saying EVERY man who makes some effort gets a woman, you say the majority do. And considering 25% or so of men between 18-30 are virgins, I don't think you can really talk of an "abnormal variant".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 11:01 PM
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Ok, thank you for your contribution.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 10:53 PM
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I know several people who have difficulties making friends but have no difficulties making partners. This requires seperate skills and qualities which overlap only partially.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 10:51 PM
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He claimed every guy, you claim the majority of guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 10:50 PM
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Dating is highly competitive amongst men, does that mean y’all spread yourselves evenly choosing all Women? No most still go for the most attractive. We can directly disprove this by looking at OLD were there are more men than women. Yes, the most attractive women still have the most amount of likes, but pretty much EVERY woman receives a lot of likes. The like distribution on men is A LOT less equal and a large portion of men receives almost no likes. Are you saying this would be so much more d…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 10:49 PM
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Why is it a bad thing that people who struggle to attract somebody have it easier? Is anybody else hurt by this?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 10:46 PM
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Why can I not want things for society that don't necessarily have me as the main benefactor? Can you explain why this would be unethical?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 10:44 PM
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It doesn't value one sex over the other, it just means that society works out better if the ratio isn't 50/50. Striving to have a higher percentage of something doesn't necessarily mean that thing is more important. Just because the state hires more policemen than politicians doesn't mean policement are more valued. Why would homosexuals care about there being slightly less men in total? There are things like maternal leave that gay men are never going to profit from, how is this in any way wors…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 10:42 PM
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I don't think discrediting the idea of changing society because it's more difficult than most things I could achieve as an individual is very reasonable. And why do you think it's not going to happen? Going "As IF..." is not that much of an argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 10:25 PM
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I'm not an Incel, guess that makes my proposal reasonable in your eyes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 10:23 PM
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Alright.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 10:22 PM
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What are you hoping to achieve by making this absurd? Ending the conversation?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 09:11 PM
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Why are you acting like India is the perfect counter-argument? In India men are worth more than women to parents. In western societies men are for the most part worth the same to parents. I don't understand your point. That's like saying investing in solar power in the US is pointless because solar power is useless at the north pole in winter.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 09:08 PM
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The idea that some men would be in a relationship is repulsive, right.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 09:04 PM
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India is not a western society.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 09:03 PM
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You don't need to give me a pep talk, I'm not doing that bad with women. You seem to misunderstand the whole point of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 09:02 PM
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Who said anything about people who neither had friends nor girlfriends? And there are plenty of people in relationships that don't have a lot of friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 09:01 PM
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So you're conceding my point?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 08:59 PM
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Every guy I know, who makes at least SOME effort, gets a woman. That's not the experience of a lot of the men on this sub, but alright.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 08:59 PM
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Why is it "favoring" to increase the number of women? It would be "favoring" if having more of something would be some implicit advantage. And what is wrong with by itself making dating easier for men who right now have it hard?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 08:58 PM
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This goes for any rare positive quality. If someone is unusually handsome, they are also desired solely for being scarce. If everybody would be as handsome, they wouldn't have any advantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 08:55 PM
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Western societies don't have a strong preference for boys. And the issue with specifically China was that people were strongly incentivized to further prioritize having boys because they were only allowed to have one child. I don't really see how that's an argument against what I'm proposing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 08:36 PM
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IVF isn't genetic engineering but sure. Are you accusing people developing cures for diseases with CRISPR of being "cartoon supervillains" too because messing with life is EVIL!!!....? And you seem to think your solution is a silver bullet if it's a complete counter to any other suggestions.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 08:19 PM
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Because some people want to have girls for reasons that have nothing to do with what other people want and if that isn't enough, they get $20,000.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 08:16 PM
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When the government decides that an entire gender is less desireable than the other and implements policies to reflect that, you're in for a very very bad time. No it wasn't. To quote you: When the government decides that an entire gender is less desireable than the other and implements policies to reflect that, you're in for a very very bad time. You pivoted from suggesting this would cause societal problems to that it would just be immoral, after you realized that me bringing up drafts and men…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 08:15 PM
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Because it costs a lot of money usually and doesn't bring a lot of benefits to people not suffering from genetic diseases. It's a different story though if the decision is free.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 08:01 PM
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I talked about how in the post how availability influences peoples desires. You wouldn't "force" women into settling, they can stay single if they like. They will probably consider these men more desirable everything else being equal though.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 08:00 PM
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I don't think it's implausible to find 1 in 10 couples who are willing to make sure they have a girl and are potentially even paid for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 07:54 PM
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Bruh don't act like men are going to become slaves to women because there are 10% more women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 07:53 PM
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not exactly ethical, is it? What is that pivot? Your original point was that people would revolt against something like this when they clearly wouldn't, since even indirectly killing men didn't cause it. Yeah the draft is pretty imoral in my oppinion, but why are you acting right now like that means IVF would be unethical? War is the way easier case to argue imorality, not the other way around. ​ The average number of sexual partners is around 7 Talking about averages is pointless when a vastly …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 07:52 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 07:43 PM
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If you are ignorant when it comes to history, sure, but otherwise, no. When in the past 10,000 years were equal rights for women the norm for the majority of people on earth? ​ Yes, and like every other bad thing in life they have to accept it is what it is and get over it. Just like women had to for not being allowed to vote 110 years ago... ​ And who says they have to be alone, not having a partner isn't alone Picking on the definition of what "alone" means does not make an argument here. Most…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 07:25 PM
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This is not even remotely on the same level cost-wise as free healthcare, this is literally like 1% of the cost.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 07:17 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 07:16 PM
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Right...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 07:08 PM
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This is not the case in western nations for the most part and the point is that you would only give people free IVF if they wanted a girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 07:06 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 07:03 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 07:02 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 07:01 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 06:57 PM
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Alright, if you aren't able to seperate me stating facts about people from me advocating for shitty solutions, and even implicitly claim I'm lying when I say I don't approve of these solutions, there is not much more for me to say. But you're invited to look at my newest post.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 06:56 PM
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Equal rights to things others got and they didn't? That's not what an "equal world" is, that's what you think is necessary to make an equal world. An equal world is a world were everybody has the same opportunities and ressources as everybody else, this doesn't involve the possible ways to make the current world that equal world. Can you think about this ideal by itself? ​ If people are making free decisions, and the consequences of those decisions are unequal outcomes and sadness for some, it d…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 06:53 PM
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I'm not for forcing women to be in relationships as a solution or whatever Read, my man.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 06:44 PM
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That a world without injustice and fully equal would be ideal is something pretty much everybody agrees on, OP doesn't need to structure his argument like that's a contentious point. The only thing people disagree on is whether that world would be achievable and whether the solutions are practical/morally justified. You jump the gun by saying that agreeing that such a world would be preferable is the same as agreeing to whatever violent means of redistribution you think are necessary. ​ That's n…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 05:24 PM
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Never in the history of the human race has the majority of men gotten to have sex at will. Why should we start now? Well first of all, that's just an appeal to tradition/nature. Things being a certain way in the past is not an argument why they should stay that way. You could argue against most equal rights and support women attained in the last 50 years that way. ​ This isn’t like workplace discrimination. Your lively hood isn’t threatened if you don’t get to fuck a different woman every week. …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 05:14 PM
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What influences people tastes isn't set in stone once they turn adults, if we were to make a conscious effort to remove the concept of a beauty ideal that only few people achieve, we would go a long way to dismantle peoples disproportional or unrealistic tastes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 08:39 AM
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Women don't know or want to know that a man has failed 99 times before he reached her. I get what you are going for but shutting down the conversation by saying that men complaining about an issue in dating makes them unattractive is not helpful. You're just going to end up with more bitter and resentful men who feel like they have to bottle their feelings and complaints because people will judge them if they don't. ​ If they were shitty, they wouldn't be doing well with women. He claimed that b…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 06:30 PM
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You just can’t change physical attraction for anyone. That's not true, what people find attractive is very much strongly influenced by culture. There is a biological aspect to it too, but from what I read it's something like 50/50. That's why white people are considered the most attractive, or how having "fair" (white) skin in places like India is popular. If you bombard people with imagery and messaging of who is attractive and who isn't from toddler-age they are going to be influenced by that.…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 06:15 PM
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The problem is that it's exhausting but the alternative for most men is to be alone against their wishes and that sucks too. It's much easier to just not do a thing you don't want to do, than to be confronted with the fact that to get something you want, you have to do something you don't want to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 05:52 PM
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Finding a partner is probably more difficult if you don't have any friends but making friends is not really necessarily super helpful either. It's sort of easy for women to say, because if a woman surrounds herself with several new men, one of them is probably going to make a move on her at some point or at the very least communicate that he's interested. If a man surrounds herself with several new women, he's very likely still the one who has to initiate any sort of romantic relationship with a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 05:49 PM
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What precautions do you think women take that are unreasonable ? For example going into dating with the mindset that every other guy is a rapist. We didn’t even get into income, race, geographic location, how each women defines “rape” etc. If the average value is already extremely low there is not much point into going into these factors, besides the point that these factors are neither considered when talking about how women are scared of getting raped. That a lawyer is going to rape a woman he…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 08:22 PM
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Why did you "..." out the part where I said it might also be non-profit organisations doing this?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 05:55 PM
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Complete lack of understanding on how risk assessment works. YOU have a complete lack of risk assesment if you don't understand the concept that preperation must be PROPORTIONAL to the danger. I NEVER said that you should take zero precautions when dating, if you think I did read my comments again. Also, it's not a 1 in 100 times, it's a 1 in 100 LIFETIME risk. Seatbelts in planes are not to protect people during a plane crash, but even if they were, they are a PROPORTIONAL measure concerning th…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 05:54 PM
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Getting raped IS a danger, but it's not one you need to prepare for like it's a coin-flip whether you meet your rapist. The person I originally respondet to claimed that she rejects men mostly based on whether she thinks they might be rapists. Considering the chances of getting raped are 1 in 8000 this is objectively a false judgement in almost all cases. If you are aware you have been socially conditioned and now know that information is not accurate, there is nothing for you to do besides work…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 05:09 PM
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Well in a somewhat equal society like the one right now, women would probably be treated like actual royalty by the scores of men competing for the privilege of sex or even a relationship. It would give women a ridiculous level of choice in the dating-market by enabling them to completely ignore the bottom 2/3 men and still have plenty to go around. Literally every woman would have multiple suitors at any time since just having a girlfriend/wife regardless of who she is would be a massive status…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 04:57 PM
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The one child policy doesn't exist in China since 2016, the issue they are facing now is that people have too few kids despite being allowed to have more.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 04:47 PM
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That wasn't the case before dating apps came along. Young women were neither particularily economically or socially forced to have a LTR in 2010, yet the percentage of young single people increased by 50% since then from around 37% to 51%. Dating apps just mess up the natural process of people meeting each other and falling in love, by forcing women to mainly and immediately decide by visual cues such as attractiveness, because still pictures and a couple of lines of basic Info don't allow for a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 04:25 PM
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That information shows rape is a real danger. You yourself admitted multiple times now it's mostly about how women are told over and over again that they are in danger and must fear men. If you are now presented with actual information that counters that narrative and you still continue to think the same way, you are being illogical. I’m not gonna comment on the wild leaps of logic and conjecture just to say that only 5% of rapes are reported and you can still get raped on a coffee date through …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 04:05 PM
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Honestly just make dating apps illegal and replace it with either non-profit or state-owned systems that instead of maximizing desperation in men to get them to pay, aim to get as many people partnered up as possible. Focus on LTRs not hook-ups, since pretty much all women I've talked to about this agreed that hook-ups are fun for a while, but that the novelty wears of real quick and it usually ends with them falling for a guy that doesn't give a shit about them. And even if Tinder is amazing fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 02:45 PM
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When something doesn't measure up to reality it is by definition illogical, just because it's "logical" people can get manipulated into believing something doesn't give that believe a justification for existing. I have literally no clue anymore what you are trying to argue. ​ This is a significant amount meaning it’s likely all women know at least one friend that’s been raped You're misunderstanding the quote. The quote doesn't mean "13% of women have been raped on a date", it means that of the …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 02:12 PM
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I'm really curious, you tried defusing that argument, but do you by that logic also think black people are shittier than white people?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 11:26 PM
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I’m just saying it exists and can’t be talked out of. When did I ever say these fears don't exist? The whole point is that they exist, but shouldn't for the most part to this extend. If you start talking about "primal responses" to conscious stances people hold we might as well stop debating since apparently we've totally surrendered to feels over reals. 39% of rapes are committed by an "acquaintance" in the US, which could mean a lot of things including a date. Since this also includes friends,…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 09:15 PM
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Your whole premise is wrong. The original argument was "Women are just as shitty as men", and your response to that was "No because men commit more crimes". 85% of people will never commit a crime in their life, that doesn't mean 85% of people are saints. And most of these 15% don't commit extreme crimes such as rape or murder. People can be absolutely awful people in a totally legal way and it isn't even difficult. If your argument is that higher incarceration rates for males signal that even t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 08:39 PM
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What's your actual point then? If I ask why being scared is correct if the data doesn't back it up you say it doesn't matter if it's real or not, women are conditioned to be afraid. If I ask why believing that erroneously conditioned fear then is correct you say that having the fear is actually true and good. If you want to make the argument now that there are different things women are afraid of which don't constitute a crime and are basically just the guys being assholes ok, but that's a diffe…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 05:52 PM
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The vast majority of violent crimes are random acts of assault/battery that don't involve Hollywood Shoot-outs or Drug Kingpins. And the vast majority of inmates are not convicted because of violent crimes against people but mainly for drugs. Sex offenders are the largest group of violent crimes with only 11%, in total it's like 20% of inmates. I'm not saying men don't commit more violent crimes, but saying "Look men are clearly so much worse than women, look at the prison demographics" is prett…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 05:47 PM
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That's a completely different conversation and argument. The person I'm responding to in this threat is making the argument that women are RIGHT to fear men which is why they are picky, you are making the argument that they have basically been tricked into thinking this way. You're arguing backwards, you're saying the truth doesn't matter because people already believe the falsehood.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 07:52 AM
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Not murder, but the vast majority of violent crimes aren't murder.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 07:48 AM
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It's pretty true though that if a woman hits a man (which is assault) there is a much lower chance of that woman getting charged with a crime and sentenced than the other way around. Yes, the woman in this situation would usually be injured worse, but that should not really matter for the statistics of who commits crimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 09:05 PM
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I think the reason women get angry at the suggestion that these things matter (and not to a small amount) is because it threatens their bubble of denying the cruel reality that some people have a massively difficult time finding a partner, for reasons they are not at fault at and can't fix and that some of these people might go their whole lives looking for a partner and never finding one. It's just an ugly truth that feels bad no matter how you look at it. That everybody finds someone, unless t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 09:01 PM
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There is a difference between being 10 pounds too heavy or 100, I think many guys would still be fine with the former. I'd say it's pretty hypocritical to refuse to date overweight women if you yourself are overweight, but If you aren't I don't think it's reasonable to drop your standarts because the quality of the people is decreasing each decade. Since by that logic, you are an above average man (assuming men get fatter at the same rate as women) and are pretty justified in looking for an abov…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 08:43 PM
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Eh, I've been told by women before that it might as well be that the guy just doesn't care and the sex sucks, even though that guy clearly has a lot of experience
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 08:36 PM
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Yes because people post all their boring normal conversations there, not just the outrageous ones that they know will get them upvotes. You realize that even if only 1% of men would behave like this there would still be plenty material for thousands of posts like this daily? That isn't proof of anything. And how can "most mens" tinder bios be full of red flags when literally the majority doesn't even have a unique Bio that isn't nothing, random data or a joke they copied? Either you are exaggera…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 08:29 PM
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There is no way you could judge from a single line whether someone is a potential rapist, unless it's something overtly creepy. Most men have an overused one-liner, some random information about themselves or nothing at all. Does that mean you swipe right on 80% of men? Clearly it's not just about the Bio. ​ Most men abuse them. I'd like to see the study on that. 21 year olds aren't children, they know wtf they are doing. I'm not saying there aren't any powerdynamics but to claim that in the abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 05:48 PM
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That precautions aren't taken wasn't my point. If it isn't about how real the danger is what is the point? If what you're scared of isn't rational you can't argue that it's good to still be scared. Also, men also get killed and raped on dates by women. It's rarer, but it happens. So the potential consequences are real for me too, what's the difference? You have to admit at some point that likelihood of outcome has some bearing on the situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 05:38 PM
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If every women gets children, that means every individual women still needs to contribute as much money into the system as she used up. With two children on average that's easily $100k just to pay for the first couple years of both children when you take into account that a single mother would basically have to hire somebody full time to look after her children while she works. But I'm pretty sure I'm wasting my time on a troll with bad english skills so I'll stop here.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 02:23 PM
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I'm not a woman, but I have quite a lot of female friends that talk to me a lot about their dating life including the bad shit. Just in case you would claim that they just don't tell me. I'm sorry but you are crazy paranoid if your inner dialogue when swiping on OLD is "Rapist, rapist, rapist, looks like he has herpes, rapist, rapist, oh he looks ok, rapist....". Most of the time it's that they think somebody looks boring, unattractive or incompatible in personality. Same thing with meeting in p…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 02:19 PM
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You have to put things into perspective on how often it happens, you can't just say "A is worse than B, so if somebody is more at risk of A they are clearly a lot worse off than somebody who is more at risk of having B happen." Yes obviously getting raped is worse than being effectively scammed for paying for somebodies meal. But actually getting raped on a date where you take basic precautions is extremely unlikely considering the number of dates people have and that the vast majority of rapes …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 11:15 AM
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Oh my fucking god. Are you an actual troll? It doesn't matter that women can do these jobs, women require SOMEBODY to generate tax dollars besides themselves to cover for their maternal leave and financial aid/subsidies to make it remotely affordable for them to raise a child/multiple children alone. Effectively they need the money a husband or boyfriend would supply except from the government. Who is making these tax-dollars if most men don't? You can't take tax dollars from people who already …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 10:46 AM
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That men are going to work hard to be part of the lucky few who become attractive by their wealth alone is the american-dream lie that nobody is buying anymore, except then getting rich would only be the first step and it doesn't even guarantee anything. No man that isn't totally deluded is going to fall for that because they know that the likely miniscule increase in chances for them by making 20k more than average won't justify the ass-busting they would have to put into it. like the 1980s air…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 02:50 PM
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No, the majority of men are still in relationships with children or are working towards one. If that becomes a minority, society is fucked. There is no society where this is the case that you can point to right now. Men rejected from having a family or even a relationship are not going to be enticed to work their asses off if they know that all they are doing is making other peoples dream of a family possible. They will know that they are the working-drones of society, neither desired nor respec…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 03:40 PM
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There is a difference between working just enough to pay for rent/food and working in the expectation of or to support a family. Especially if men choose to live together as flatmates since the main motivation of having your own place (a relationship, children) is gone. You will not be able to count on the support of men to fund your society if they have nothing to gain from it. And to just give men the middle-finger for feeling and acting like that because you think you can just let immigrants …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 12:53 PM
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It's not going to collapse tomorrow, but if a significant portion of men feels like the only point of their existence is generating tax-money to fund women and their children they had with the few lucky men, a lot of men are going to check out off working at all. If let's say 30% of workers does the bare minimum to survive, that's pretty bad for that society and women are eventually going to get dragged down with them since raising a child as a single mother without government support is pretty …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 12:08 PM
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Anti-SJW circlejerk communities have run out of new material years ago, hasn't stopped them. Care for the purple haired woman in glasses screaming about men? No? Perhaps an attack helicopter joke? Ah! I know! Grainy screenshot off a tumblr post from 2009.
/r/PussyPassDenied21/08/20 03:33 PM
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Bro it makes you look like a dick in general to take up more space than necessary, not just to feminists
/r/PussyPassDenied21/08/20 03:25 PM
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