PersonalityNorth8023 Archive

Upvotes	Title	Category	Author	Subreddit	Date (UTC)

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11	Ken's Rights? In Barbie Land? Barbie encourages Ken to work out who he is outside of his relation to Barbie, and to learn being Just Ken is enough. I think this is the part that infuriates me the most. Even his self-actualisation has to be mediated by a woman. This paternalistic attitude is why so many men find it hard to accept any advice from feminism. In our report, we recommended: Providing alternative narratives and considering how far-right [or MRA] groups provide men with emotional support networks, with a view to pro…	/r/MensRights	28/07/23 10:16 AM
9	Ken's Rights? In Barbie Land? According to the article, you don't belong here. Fortunately, male advocates, just like men, are not a monolith.	/r/MensRights	28/07/23 09:51 AM
16	I started a new position in a government organisation and checked internal magazines. I noticed negligence toward events that relate to men. So, I raised the issue and it worked. A screenshot of the full page of our internal magazine that was published to thousands of workers. I call this progress. Great stuff! Sometimes all it takes is to ask / raise the issue. This sort of progress makes me think that we are reaching a watershed in awareness of some men's issues. From there, it's easier to work on others because the silence has already been challenged.	/r/MensRights	28/07/23 09:44 AM
5	Ken's Rights? In Barbie Land? Is it your impression that the majority of posters and commenters here on the Men's Rights reddit group are longing for a society where men once again occupy all positions of power and authority and rule over women?	/r/MensRights	28/07/23 09:33 AM
3	The “male gaze” If I understand it correctly, the "male gaze" isn't saying that men aren't allowed to find hot what they find hot. Using it in that sense is basically selective prudishness. The "male gaze" is a media criticism concept about the predominance of film scenes and images designed by male creators with a (hetero) male audience in mind, rather than a female audience. It's not really possible for it to be causative of homophobia, except maybe in the sense of reinforcing making people more comfortable w…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	28/07/23 08:28 AM
2	Ridiculous family expectations She has a habit of lying constantly to the point where I believe very little of what she says as it relates to serious matters. I'm really sorry and hope you can find the best solution. What you've said above doesn't seem like a sustainable pattern for a relationship, but I don't want to judge.	/r/MensRights	28/07/23 08:01 AM
3	Why do Western countries have such disparity between male and female suicide rates? Agreed, there are many possible contributors and I have no doubt that many if not all of these factors contribute. I guess the problem is the way public policy works tends to be more specific to the crisis at hand. In the case of suicide prevention policy, men just having it tough isn't going to flip any levers to make things better. But eg. discussing whether health services are actually working for men is more closely connected.	/r/MensRights	28/07/23 07:31 AM
2	Ridiculous family expectations I think there's two separate things here. The child. Decide how important it is to you that the child is biologically yours, which may end up being a non-issue if the child actually is anyway. A child raised by you from birth is going to reflect you and your influence much more than any potential sperm donor, especially if that person is out of the picture for good. Your partner. You say that you've reconciled, but you've also described her in a comment below as an abuser. If this is the case, i…	/r/MensRights	28/07/23 06:29 AM
8	Latest CDC stats: 80% of all suicides in the US are men/boys Care to spell out the link you're hinting at? Are you saying that governments, mental health workers and suicide prevention initiatives are reading this comment section and saying, "oh there's some cynical comments in there, we'd better keep doing nothing about male suicide rates". After all, they're just human beings.	/r/MensRights	28/07/23 06:05 AM
5	Latest CDC stats: 80% of all suicides in the US are men/boys What you've done here is demonstrated that we can talk about potential differences between men and women in the way they deal with emotions and crises, and how existing mental health systems may be letting men down. All in a way that is so much more useful than lumping it all together with terms like "toxic masculinity". I think many people using that term actually have this sort of theory in mind (socialisation especially), but the language is actually holding them back from this kind of specif…	/r/MensRights	28/07/23 06:01 AM
5	I'd like to talk about the state and future of this sub This increase of "male loneliness" could be contributing, but I think it's rather more the severe lack of male role models, male social spaces, a lack of cohesion within the local community, etc. It's interesting how we interpret these concepts, because in my mind those two things are basically the same thing. Male loneliness is primarily those things, and only secondarily a lack of spousal / romantic relationships with women.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	28/07/23 05:26 AM
18	Latest CDC stats: 80% of all suicides in the US are men/boys It's also because male suicide has been found to be precipitated more directly by external events like separations. Not that our mental health approaches have taken this into account.	/r/MensRights	28/07/23 12:46 AM
12	Latest CDC stats: 80% of all suicides in the US are men/boys Even if it was comparable (and I agree that it's not), we're talking about a huge number of deaths. Outrage over gendered intimate partner violence is driven by the number of women who die, not the much larger number of women and men who suffer non-life-threatening trauma. Where's the outrage over this?	/r/MensRights	28/07/23 12:43 AM
7	Why do Western countries have such disparity between male and female suicide rates? As an allegory, it's kind of like the classic example of two European countries transitioning industries during the 20th Century. One shut down their coal mines and didn't provide any means for the workers to transition to other industrial work, even though it was available. The other changed their crops to one that was healthier and more profitable, but they intentionally retrained the agriculture workers and kept them on board with the transition. What do we do from here though? Things aren't …	/r/MensRights	28/07/23 12:35 AM
9	Why do Western countries have such disparity between male and female suicide rates? I think this is useful info and may indeed provide evidence against the usual excuses about men choosing more violent means. But I think we need to be nuanced about the conclusion. Just saying that Western society is hostile to men doesn't say much at all. We might posit that approaches to mental health, wellbeing education and suicide prevention in the West are failing men for various reasons. We might posit that male isolation in the West means that buffers against male suicide are not present…	/r/MensRights	28/07/23 12:11 AM
1	(unintentionally)Misanrist media Imo those advocating for boys to go into "HEED" nursing etc,mmm I think they perhaps dont want boys to be rich powerful. Even if that was the case, I'm not really interested in which gender is "rich and powerful". At this stage, I'll settle for improved wellbeing of boys and men. Right now, men are still wealthier than women on average, especially at the top end of town. If that was to flip somehow then, yes, that would be a concern worth addressing. A few feminists having weird power/revenge fa…	/r/MensRights	27/07/23 11:52 PM
1	A man needs women’s approval. If women like him, they make his life better. Would you say that it is likely to eventually displace third wave feminism?	/r/MensRights	27/07/23 11:42 PM
2	A man needs women’s approval. If women like him, they make his life better. That sounds good in theory. I'm a little concerned by your use of the phrase "meant to be".	/r/MensRights	27/07/23 11:36 PM
1	A man needs women’s approval. If women like him, they make his life better. If that's the correct category. Which of the flavours of feminism would you say is the most empathetic and effective ally for men's advocacy?	/r/MensRights	27/07/23 11:33 PM
1	A man needs women’s approval. If women like him, they make his life better. Hey just wanted to say thanks for sharing. I've been in a relationship for so long that I sometimes forget the loneliness I felt prior. It must be especially hard without close friends. Is that something you've tried to change before? I guess I did - and still do - seek validation from men, and I've spent much of my adulthood trying to figure out exactly why. I have a sense that it's not as simple as just homophobia.	/r/MensRights	27/07/23 10:54 PM
3	A man needs women’s approval. If women like him, they make his life better. Not sure if you're new here, but there isn't a lot of specificity when feminism is discussed on this sub. Then again, unless you've undertaken gender studies, the boundaries between the types you've listed seem pretty blurry. I can say that most people aren't opposed to the basic axiom that there should be equality between women and men. When feminism is cited as the Great Satan here, it's usually because: some feminist-driven or feminism-inspired initiatives are blatantly sexist and counterprod…	/r/MensRights	27/07/23 10:23 PM
2	(unintentionally)Misanrist media Schools are increasingly female-dominated environments in most developed countries (see your nation's stats on male vs female teachers over the last 10 years), and boys are underperforming in those environments, and they know it. Combine that with the additional girl-friendly interventions you're talking about, and yes, this is going to have impacts on cultural expectations for generations going forward. To put it bluntly, people are increasingly going to assume that boys are just dumber and les…	/r/MensRights	27/07/23 09:16 PM
5	Latest CDC stats: 80% of all suicides in the US are men/boys The standard stat in Australia and a number of other Western countries is 3 in 4, so 4 in 5 is likely a marked increase for the US that should definitely be taken note of.	/r/MensRights	27/07/23 08:57 PM
6	A man needs women’s approval. If women like him, they make his life better. It's not been an issue for me, but I'm aware that some gay men do crave a lot of validation from their mothers. To be honest, the overall attention given to women on men's issues forums is frustrating to me. At one end, you've got many antifeminist MRAs who talk non-stop about women and/or feminists. At the other end, you've got profeminist menslibbers who also devote much of their discussion to women and feminism. Even some of the MGTOWs ironically seem to obsess over women.	/r/MensRights	27/07/23 06:47 AM
1	Something I've noticed Sure, but restricting female sexuality is often associated with conservativism and traditional religion, particularly in the USA.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	27/07/23 06:38 AM
2	Something I've noticed I appreciate you having a go. I agree that it's complex. I suppose, if we take gynocentrism to include the imperatives of earlier societies to prioritise the more costly female role in reproduction, that makes some sense. Promiscuous men and women are both failing the community by jeapordising structures put in place to ensure the results of that investment of time and energy (ie. children) have stable journeys into adulthood. The use of prostitutes must be frowned upon in order to maintain some…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	27/07/23 06:14 AM
1	Something I've noticed If a man deflowered a non prostitute But isn't consorting with prostitutes also promiscuity? Again, I'm not arguing that society has any reason to be (or to have been) consistent, but this seems illogical to me.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	27/07/23 04:51 AM
1	Something I've noticed What do you think explains this discrepancy?	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	27/07/23 04:26 AM
3	Something I've noticed It seems like there's two different "rules" here. Men being studs by demonstrating their sexual prowess with multiple partners is seen as positive on one level, or at least by a certain subgroup. Men being untrustworthy womanisers is seen as negative. Virgin = bad seems to be linked more to the first "rule" than the second. It wasn't long ago that people talked about sex with a woman making a boy into a man (and the flip side to girls too). It should be noted that there's no reason the two rules…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	27/07/23 03:13 AM
2	Were Western societies really patriarchal before the 2000's? Ah yeah, sorry it's been a while since I saw it. I still don't think it's a vengeance story, though.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	27/07/23 02:41 AM
4	A man needs women’s approval. If women like him, they make his life better. It's a half-truth at best. A lot of what follows is generalisations. Men, like all humans, do better when they belong to a healthy community, which is typically one that includes both genders but usually includes structured same-gender interactions also. I firmly believe that what's hurting men the most right now is a lack of the above. All of us, women included, are less connected by real-world, community level involvement than at any other time in human history. This has all happened suddenly,…	/r/MensRights	27/07/23 01:44 AM
2	Were Western societies really patriarchal before the 2000's? I'm not sure I'd describe Thelma and Louise as vengeance, exactly, unless you consider suicide as somehow "getting back" at someone. It is definitely about women being victims though, and told exclusively from a female point of view. Two women run away from abusive and generally unpleasant husbands but they have no way to escape and self-actualise, so they sleep with a young, hot guy (Brad Pitt) and then drive their car off a cliff.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	27/07/23 01:13 AM
1	Fathers are being excluded by kids schools! What kind of explanation is this? "it just so happens"? "fortunately?" Schools spend plenty of time fretting over whether they have enough books for every gender. The least they can do is update an administrative system. What's crazy is many mothers also complain about this - why should it be assumed that they're the main contact?	/r/MensRights	27/07/23 12:56 AM
1	‘Toxic masculinity’ is toxic terminology — The Centre for Male Psychology Well, an abusive man is an example of "toxic masculinity" Is he, though? What are his reasons for being abusive - do they even relate to internalised ideas about masculinity? We can't assume.	/r/MensRights	27/07/23 12:41 AM
2	‘Toxic masculinity’ is toxic terminology — The Centre for Male Psychology If you choose to look at it that way, that's fine, but there are a number of reasons for the term to be dumped, especially in public discourse and in therapeutic settings. These reasons have been discussed ad nauseum here and elsewhere. Several organistions and activists for men's mental health have recommended the term not be used.	/r/MensRights	27/07/23 12:39 AM
1	I think movies would be better for men if they were a lot more diverse I also liked the way that film ended, emphasising Ryan Reynolds' character moving on, and his devotion and affection for his friend. They could have gone in a different direction and made him into a jealous psycho.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	27/07/23 12:26 AM
6	Something I've noticed Something I find fascinating is how this expectation about masculinity (men need to be having lots of sex) is immune even to religious fundamentalism. Most religious texts frown on sexual promiscuity whether it's done by men or women. It's very clear and very consistent. I would have thought that men in a nation like the USA, where a lot of people tie themselves to more conservative religious ideologies, would therefore be less subject to the expectation that men ought to be promiscuous, but the…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	27/07/23 12:08 AM
10	Were Western societies really patriarchal before the 2000's? Exactly. And this is why this type of interaction is often seen as a "motte and bailey" argument. You can certainly find definitions more like yours at the top of a google search.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	26/07/23 10:15 PM
3	I think I got the answer to my question about whether I resonate with Feminism or not. Hi r/MensRights hope I'm welcome here 👋 Even when you gave them a golden opportunity to build on how the "patriarchy hurts men too", they couldn't help themselves but centre women entirely. That way of thinking is becoming increasingly irrelevant, but they'll probably just continue to double down until the bitter end.	/r/MensRights	26/07/23 10:01 PM
3	Knowing the Vocabulary -- Hostile vs Benevolent Sexism people think sexism has to be framed in terms of women I've literally heard people say you can't be sexist towards men because - in their simple mental diagram of oppressor-oppressed - it doesn't exist as a possibility. Sort of like how Big Brother cannot be ungood, I guess.	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	26/07/23 09:53 PM
13	Were Western societies really patriarchal before the 2000's? The word seems to change its meaning with every sub-group within feminism, but I think many people (not just here) understand it as a social system in which all men receive privilege that women do not, where each man is the tyrant of his own family - wife and children cowering beneath his rod - while he enjoys a cigar after coming home from his cushy job. EDIT: I realise the above is hardly an academic take. I think the challenge is that patriarchy is associated with the fight for women's rights…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	26/07/23 09:14 PM
1	The In group and Out group biases of the male and female genders. I probably should have balanced this a little by saying that I don't think evolutionary psychology is junk science. The way I've most often observed it brought up over the years, particularly in men's issues forums, is the way I described. As a defeatist argument closer that overrules any social or cultural explanations - and critically, social or cultural actions that might bring about change - just because it's more "sciencey". I actually agree with you that what we can learn from the field is…	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	26/07/23 09:06 PM
2	The In group and Out group biases of the male and female genders. I'd also like to discuss this because it comes up a lot. But I want to dive into it to see if we can get a bit more nuance. First off, I think we need to be specific about the in-group or out-group bias we're describing. Individual women do not necessarily favour other individual women in a workplace where they are in competition with eachother, perhaps quite the opposite at times. And individual women (and men) do value and empathise with individual males in their families - husbands, fathers, …	/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates	26/07/23 04:00 AM