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PessimistIdealist/r/MGTOW01/03/18 08:29 PM
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PessimistIdealist/r/MGTOW29/03/18 10:13 AM
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False AccusationPessimistIdealist/r/MensRights07/03/18 11:34 PM
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PessimistIdealist/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/18 06:56 PM
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PessimistIdealist/r/MGTOW07/04/18 05:16 AM
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Social IssuesPessimistIdealist/r/MensRights01/03/18 07:13 PM
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PessimistIdealist/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 02:47 AM
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GeneralPessimistIdealist/r/MensRights08/03/18 02:55 PM
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PessimistIdealist/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/18 07:15 AM
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PessimistIdealist/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/18 02:05 AM
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PessimistIdealist/r/MGTOW19/03/18 08:15 PM
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PessimistIdealist/r/MGTOW06/02/18 01:02 AM
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GeneralPessimistIdealist/r/MensRights02/03/18 04:00 AM
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PessimistIdealist/r/MGTOW03/02/18 04:13 PM
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DiscussionPessimistIdealist/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 06:03 AM
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DiscussionPessimistIdealist/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 05:20 AM
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PessimistIdealist/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 06:14 AM
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DiscussionPessimistIdealist/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 10:15 PM
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GeneralPessimistIdealist/r/MensRights09/02/18 02:06 PM
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I would say 2 wrongs don't make a right. Most people actually believe that 2 wrongs make a right. Consider this quote: We are, as a sex, infinitely superior to men. What do you think about this quote? Is this quote wrong?
/r/MensRights11/03/18 09:17 PM
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why is it being brigaded? did it end up on /r/all?
/r/MensRights11/03/18 03:58 AM
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But they were oppressed because they worked stupid jobs! Woman must be a middle class professional who works in an air conditioned office in a female majority firm. Otherwise she is oppressed.
/r/MensRights08/03/18 08:41 PM
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See, this is where the MRM gets into contradictions. Most of those problems that TUcker mentions have always been present, always and everywhere. Men always and everywhere live shorter lives, commit more suicides, get addicted more often than women, end up in jail.... As far as schools go, it is true that earlier (100 years ago) men went to college more often than women. But 100 years ago, hardly anyone went to college. Both the average man and the average woman were extremely uneducated. So, th…
/r/MensRights08/03/18 07:24 PM
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Interesting, this comment still has net upvotes.
/r/MensRights08/03/18 07:04 PM
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That was just so I could make the Russian roulette comment.
/r/MensRights08/03/18 03:02 AM
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fuck you
/r/MensRights07/03/18 02:31 AM
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approach the first 10 women you see, try to get their number or a kiss. Do that until 10 women reject you. Then come back If he gets arrested by that time, should he still come back?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/18 11:33 PM
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How do you know about Gastarbeiter? From Germany?
/r/MensRights03/03/18 07:46 PM
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I think that women are advantaged in all the things I referred to in my last point. So, women everywhere suffer suicide and homicide less than men, women everywhere die on the job less than men, women everywhere end up on the street and in jail less often than men, and so on. The only exception is China where women commit suicide more often men.
/r/MensRights03/03/18 05:45 PM
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But at least they don't believe that it's a measure of goodness in a moral sense or anything like that.
/r/MensRights02/03/18 03:42 AM
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Women have the right to refuse to have anything to do with you just like you have the right to have anything to do with them. It wouldn't feel so inequal if men didn't constantly act so desperate. Of course. That is why I believe that all men from the age of 10 should watch Barbarossaa, Thinking Ape and Razorbladekandy videos in order to get detoxified from women's sexual appeal and to get a realistic view of what women are and what they bring to the table.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/18 11:00 PM
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When I say feminist, I don't mean just Jezebel and everydayfeminism. I mean NYTimes, WaPo, HuffPo, Guardian, ... You can escape Jezebel, but not Times and Guardian.
/r/MensRights01/03/18 07:31 PM
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Everyone who ever lived is a sexist if sexism means viewing men and women differently. Does your wife have longer hair and shorter beard than you? Then you're a sexist.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/18 06:12 PM
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As things are now our liberty of action, which has been checked and rendered powerless by female despotism at home, is actually crushed and trampled on here in the Forum Cato the Elder, 215 BC
/r/MensRights01/03/18 05:48 PM
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We are, as a sex, infinitely superior to men Elizabeth Cady Stanton
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/18 04:49 AM
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Having achieved equality (or superiority) in health, safety, and finance Women always had superiority in health and safety. Everywhere. It's not something that was achieved recently in the West. As far as finance goes, how many billionaires are women?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/18 11:53 AM
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No, I never said that. Does the West need MRM? And why?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 11:22 PM
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But, what you are saying is: The fact that a country has men committing suicides and dying in the workplace and living on the street is not a sufficient reason for needing MRM. That means that we still haven't found the precise reason why a country may need MRM. So, if I give you a country 'X" and ask you whether that country needs MRM, how will you determine that? Certainly not by examining whether men commit more suicides than women, because in Iran men commit suicide more than women and yet I…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 05:36 AM
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Ayatollah gives a damn about political correctness?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 05:24 AM
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Ayatollah also believes that women are oppressed and need help. And he believes that Iran is doing this better than the West. http://english.khamenei.ir/news/4763/Oppression-of-women-can-be-prevented-via-laws-and-edification Given that it is possible to put an end to oppression against women - this oppression exists because of certain natural causes and human behavior - one can only do it in the shade of morality and law and by improving male patterns of behavior. But today, such a thing does no…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 05:03 AM
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Suicide, depression issues, homelessness, In Iran and Afghanistan men have these same problems. So, Iran and Afghanistan also need MRM. This is the logical conclusion. Do you agree?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 04:58 AM
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I am trying to get into the logic of things. Why does the West need MRM? Because of suicides and workplace deaths? Well, then Iran needs MRM as well. That;s where the logic leads you, right? But, what if Iran doesn't need MRM even though in Iran men also commit suicides more and suffer workplace deaths and injuries more? What if Iran is an evil patriarchy even though men commit more suicides than women? Well, then feminists will say: "Ha, see, in Iran men commit more suicides but Iran is an evil…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 04:56 AM
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Google "Tehran girls". Go to Images.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 04:46 AM
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Tell me why the West needs MRM. For whose reasons?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 04:44 AM
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What does Blue Pill Woman mean? Feminist?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 04:43 AM
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Are you saying that because the rest of the world needs a men's rights movement that one should not happen at all? Did you mean to say: Are you saying that because the rest of the world doesn't need a men's rights movement that one should not happen at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 04:42 AM
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In Iran, it's even worse, 65/35 female/male! Does Iran need MRM?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 04:40 AM
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Yeah, I think so, too. What I meant was: "standard center-left people", people who are not ideologically aligned with MRM. Many standard conservatives (Sargon of Akkad, Milo, Steven Crowder) have some sympathies with MRM. Standard center-left people do NOT have sympathy towards MRM, but are deeply hostile.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 04:37 AM
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Well, if you don't discover new reasons, if you think that the West needs MRM because of suicides, homelessness and workplace deaths, then Iran and Afghanistan also need MRM, because in Iran and Afghanistan men commit more suicides, live on the street more often, and suffer more workplace deaths and injuries. Do you think Iran and Afghanistan need MRM?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 04:32 AM
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But, WHY is MRM needed? If it's needed because of suicides and homelessness and poor educational performance of boys, then Iran and Afghanistan also need MRM. Do you think Iran and Afghanistan need MRM?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/18 04:30 AM
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Homelessness, Suicide, Workplace Deaths, Life Expectancy, Education. Men make majority of homeless EVERYWHERE, not just in the West. Men make majority of suicides EVERYWHERE except China. Men make majority of workplace deaths EVERYWHERE. Men live shorter than women almost everywhere. Men are worse educated than women almost everywhere now (it was different a few decades ago).
/r/MensRights20/02/18 02:37 AM
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So, is non-White masculinity toxic (instead of white masculinity)?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 10:26 PM
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Feminists don't criticize Saudi Arabia as much as they criticize the West simply because they live in the West, not in Saudi Arabia. That doesn't mean they love Saudi Arabia. They also probably believe that women are oppressed everywhere else in the world. Here, https://now.org/blog/in-honor-of-international-womens-day-now-stands-with-our-sisters-in-saudi-arabia/ National Organization for WOmen condemns oppression of women in Saudi Arabia.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 10:21 PM
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good point.
/r/MensRights09/02/18 09:44 PM
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tldr: If you don't believe that France and Italy were oppressive patriarchies in 2006, then there is no patriarchy anywhere on this planet in 2017.
/r/MensRights09/02/18 04:41 PM
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Feminism is part of the 'System', the 'Matrix'. The Man loves feminism. Billionaires love feminism. Yuppies who read Economist, Forbes and Financial Times love feminism. Educators love feminism. Both NGOs and GOs love feminism. Liberals and leftists love feminism. Neoconservatives love feminism and would bomb every country that rejects it back to the Stone Age.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 07:10 AM
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Feminism is part of the 'System', the 'Matrix'. The Man loves feminism. Billionaires love feminism. Yuppies who read Economist, Forbes and Financial Times love feminism. Educators love feminism. Both NGOs and GOs love feminism. Neoconservatives love feminism and would bomb every country that rejects it into the Stone Age.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 07:09 AM
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How about comparing United States in 1960s or 1970s, or even better 1950s, with any other country in the world today? I'm pretty sure even 2017 Saudi Arabia would demolish United States from those decades in terms of gender equality. Parliamentary representation, education, employment, violence, life expectancy,.... no contest really. Foreman vs Frasier.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 06:58 AM
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But feminism in United States seems to get stronger all the time. So, women keep getting more oppressed with every new year in United States?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 06:48 AM
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Is your point that the presence of feminism justifies need for feminism? In that case, USA needs more feminism than Saudi Arabia, because feminism's presence is stronger in USA than Saudi Arabia.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 06:41 AM
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Women driving? You mean Saudi Arabia? Women can drive now in Saudi Arabia. And the story behind driving ban is much more complicated. Women outside of large cities could always drive, and women in large cities used to drive only a few decades ago. I think Huffpo or VICE had a good story on this. (the only time they got something right) More on Saudi Arabia: Women make 20% of parliament (better than US) Women make 60% of students (same as US) Women are 5 times less likely to get murdered than in …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 06:37 AM
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Will you go look up the rating France had in 2006? It was 0.65. 65% equal. Today, only 15 countries in the entire world have a lower rating than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 06:32 AM
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My beef (in this topic at least) is with conservatives who say 'feminism is not needed here but is needed over there' Well, if feminism was not needed in United States in the 1990s when percentage of women in Congress was about 5%, then why is still needed in Egypt (for example) where percentage of women in national assembly is 15%?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 06:28 AM
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Maybe Congo is a brutal country where not only Green Party Feminists get executed but many many others who are usually men and probably not feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 06:26 AM
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first thing that popped up on tube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLnWf1sQkjY
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 06:22 AM
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Conservative 2nd wave feminists like Hoff Sommers and Cathy Young and Camille Paglia. Skeptics like shoeonhead, Amazing Atheist, Armoured Skeptic. They believe that Western countries have long, long ago outgrown any need for feminism. In other words, women have not been oppressed for at least a few decades in Western countries. At least since 1990s. But, they also believe that women are still oppressed everywhere else in the world, especially ME, India and Africa, but perhaps also in Russia and …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 06:14 AM
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tldr: If France was not an Evil Patriarchy in 2006, then there is no Evil Patriarchy anywhere on this planet in 2017.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 06:03 AM
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ok
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 06:00 AM
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tldr Was France an evil patriarchy in 2006? If not, then there is no evil patriarchy on this planet in 2017.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 06:00 AM
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Were women oppressed and enslaved and routinely raped and beaten in France in 2006? Was France an evil patriarchy in 2006?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/18 05:58 AM
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Even more fundamentally: the reason we have feminism and no meninism to go along with it is also gender roles. It is fully in line with the female gender role to speak out about what ails her, and counter to the male one to do the same. In other words, patriarchy never existed.
/r/MensRights09/02/18 12:44 AM
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no it didn't
/r/MensRights09/02/18 12:35 AM
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This isn't the ayn rand society ffs some people here really want it to be. feminist domination across the entire political spectrum has pushed many in manosphere into the parts of political spectrum where feminism is not to be found. problem is that those parts of political spectrum are kinda ugly... or perhaps Mr SWINEHOOVES is just a dickhead
/r/MGTOW09/02/18 12:18 AM
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svenskbithc, you're not an MRA, so don't use the word 'we' when referring to MRAs.
/r/MensRights08/02/18 08:26 PM
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As The Guardian columnist Julia Bindel if they can't even get the name of their favorite feminist right, it's not worth reading further
/r/MensRights08/02/18 06:40 PM
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Stepping outside of adult, civilized conduct to take action has shown the true colors of modern feminism. The idea that women are infallible, could do no wrong and therefore don't need to be held accountable. Modern feminism? "We are, as a sex, infinitely superior to men" Elizabeth Cady Stanton, 1890
/r/MensRights08/02/18 06:07 AM
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even places like India where people like to say men are the most privileged https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Gender_Gap_Report India's "gender equality score" is 0.669 for 2017. Last year it was 0.683. True, this is less than United States (score 0.718), but this is still better than the scores of Italy, France, Luxembourg, Greece, Poland and Brazil for 2007! Were women oppressed and enslaved in Italy, France, Luxembourg, Greece, Poland and Brazil in 2007?
/r/MensRights08/02/18 12:56 AM
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It's very disappointing that many (or perhaps, most?) Western MRAs believe that the rest of the world needs feminism.
/r/MensRights08/02/18 12:46 AM
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