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Yes, the post and comment quality has diminished considerably in my opinion. The (hopefully younger) men make wildly broad, imprecise, and unreasonable generalizations that, while perhaps having a nugget of truth, is discarded because of how ridiculous the actual statements read or how vitriolic or bitter the phrasing sounds. Most of the women here at this point don't even disagree with the core ideas of what is considered "RP"; they simply disagree with the phrasing, so there's not really much …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 06:37 PM
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Glad to hear #1, and I hope #2 improves for you
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 07:26 PM
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That's what's up; keep pushing!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 07:24 PM
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Good for you! I'm working on some fitness goals myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 07:23 PM
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If you don't mind answering, what's a goal you're currently working on, and how is it going for you? I especially would love to hear from the older posters here (~40+).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 06:52 PM
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Imagine getting a concussion from something that light. That's wild
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 05:04 PM
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I saw a post or comment one time that claimed that gardening as a hobby is the key to happiness in life. I think about that from time to time. I can't say I've ever met a gardener who was unhappy overall.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 04:57 PM
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Some are looking for a place to vent, some are looking for their sadism or schadenfreude fix, some are here to troll and nettle, and others are here to genuinely seek truth and understanding. I have actually learned a lot from observing users and conversations on this sub (older threads from years ago were a lot more valuable imo), a nice chunk of those lessons being the interactions themselves rather than the content. I agree with you: largely the situation will not change for people as a whole…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 04:48 PM
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I do understand and empathize with what you're saying, but that's a different reason than the property angle. Idk, it's not a big deal; I just found that line of thinking unconvincing. As usual, people should find and invest in those they're compatible with.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 09:45 PM
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I feel you on that. That's why I find it pretty cool that in some cultures, children take on both maiden and paternal last names. Don't know how that plays out with multiple generations though.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 09:36 PM
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The whole "woman taking the man's last name" dispute is odd to me. If the argument against it is "not wanting to be labeled a man's property," doesn't that mean you should have a problem with maiden names as well? Even if you got your name from your mother's side, at some point that name likely traces back to a man. You've run into the same problem. Am I tripping? On another note, I don't think I've ever encountered someone who brags: "my parents tell me I should be a lawyer since I argue so muc…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 09:20 PM
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I think this is a great comment. My only contention is the inclusion of this: Not all women do this, especially if they are already really into the guy. as a refutation. While that statement is true, it's not particularly helpful or informative. Sh*t testing is a behavior many men (and women) have observed, to the point where I am almost certain that every man has at least witnessed if not personally experienced it. I have noticed that most people in these conversations operate under the impress…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 08:38 PM
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Not plankton lol Fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 07:00 PM
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You must be running for office with this answer lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 05:48 PM
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Bringing it back: In many cases, their opinions/values change depending on what best serves their interests at that time.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 04:58 PM
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So I've read the book, and I think it is a useful framework for communicating appreciation and value. Initially, I had an unfavorable impression of the concept based on how people tend to use it online (mainly people using their "love language" as a justification to be materialistic or entitled), but after actually reading the book for myself with an open mind, I changed my outlook on the value of things like gifts for those who genuinely appreciate the thought and consideration behind them. It'…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 07:19 PM
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I read that second sentence first and did a double-take.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 03:46 PM
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You need to be stopped lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 03:36 PM
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If you aren't a (subjective) net positive in my life, I don't see a reason to invest in you being a part of it for long.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 03:33 PM
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I really wish more men would think this way. If she isn't attractive to you, her opinion on your romance life shouldn't matter. Even if she is, don't take her opinion as gospel, esp. when it's unsolicited. Like, be serious
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 03:26 PM
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Some for almost a decade. I don't get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 12:34 AM
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It's notable that a majority of the usual snippy voices of dissent appear to be absent in this thread. How odd.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 03:14 PM
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I thought of this exact episode lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 03:49 AM
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I think she explained how she felt pretty well including subsequent comments. She felt used because of both the lack of reciprocity from the guy and her unrealized expectations. The dude got oral sex, ejaculated on her face, and then left. There was no reciprocity there at all from what I'm understanding; only his satisfaction. Also, she goes on to mention that she didn't consider their relationship to be casual; she was hoping their relationship would develop. This is a prime example of what I …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 03:43 AM
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scheduling sex around dirty drawers No idea why this question popped into my head, but when you typed this, did you think-pronounce it like 'drawers' or 'drawers'?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 03:28 AM
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Thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 01:10 PM
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Certainly not my intention. I understand how you likely got there, but I find that interpretation rather uncharitable. The focus on that section was more on the covert contract part involving unrealized expectations. Perhaps the meaning is more readily seen by phrasing it as doing things you like or want to do for its own sake
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 12:49 PM
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Pasting my response to the thread about spending money on women for dates here. Thoughts? Here's the thing: when courting women, many men, unfortunately, do things they don't genuinely want or like to do because they are under the impression that women find those actions endearing. IMO, the reason guys talk so much about being used for meals and feeling taken advantage of is because of perceived violation(s) of what is in essence a convert contract. We're told women like men who treat them, cour…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 12:21 PM
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In many cases, their opinions/values change depending on what best serves their interests at that time.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 12:17 PM
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Here's the thing: when courting women, many men, unfortunately, do things they don't genuinely want or like to do because they are under the impression that women find those actions endearing. IMO, the reason guys talk so much about being used for meals and feeling taken advantage of is because of perceived violation(s) of what is in essence a convert contract. We're told women like men who treat them, court them, buy them flowers, chocolates, and gifts, etc., so men do those things in an attemp…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 05:29 AM
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The 50s is always the decade used in gendered conversations. What'd that decade to y'all man
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 11:23 PM
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Wild lol
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 03:24 AM
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The question I asked you was why you chose to hone in on an irrelevant part of my comment instead of the main point of highlighting (potentially) bad-faith, adversarial interpretations. I did not ask why women had a problem with the word 'withhold'; they explained why they felt that way well enough for themselves whether I agree with their interpretation or not. I really don't know why you keep attempting to explain that, but I understand your point of view. Seriously, I hear you. Honestly, betw…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 10:10 PM
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You didn't answer my question.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 09:32 PM
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Unconvincing analogy aside, if that potential employer is specifically excited about you but wants to evaluate other candidates before finalizing the decision, yes. I'm unsure of what point you're trying to make. Respectfully, do you see how both you and the other commenter focused on what is essentially the most irrelevant part of my comment instead of the main point? Why did you do that?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 09:05 PM
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Thank you for your recommendation.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 08:32 PM
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This thread serves as a useful reminder that many on this sub are only here to try to feel like they've won something. I have little doubt that most people knew what the titular question was getting at (esp. given the million times it's been asked), but unfortunately many ladies chose to take the route of contesting the verbiage, ostensibly to invalidate the question in its entirety. Which is actually invalid in this case because, from what I've seen, 'withhold' does not inherently imply entitle…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 08:13 PM
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"I'm a movement by myself, but I'm a force when we're together. Mami, I'm good all by myself, but you, you make me better." Ne-Yo I'm glad you introduced this topic because it's one I've been thinking about. I have mixed feelings about the concept of "mental load" as women put it. There are a lot of incompetent men out there, absolutely. In addition, however, there are also many women who add to their own problems. They excessively take responsibility for tasks not done in their way, on their ti…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 03:37 PM
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Have you guys seen those 'Grilling' date videos on YouTube? They're pretty entertaining
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 02:54 PM
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Ok
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 02:47 PM
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Ask her what verse(s) her stance comes from.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 12:02 PM
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I feel you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/21 07:01 PM
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What if he treats you in a way that makes you feel he doesn't find you as attractive? Never says it, but his actions imply it
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/21 06:56 PM
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Ma'am, that's the second comment highlighting a point that has little to no relevance with what I wrote. I think I'll end it here. Have a nice night.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/21 03:49 AM
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Putting your unnecessary sarcasm aside, with all due respect, I don't know how what you wrote relates to what I wrote.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/21 03:29 AM
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I'm happy to hear it. Who, exactly, is being cared for?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/21 03:16 AM
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I'm not even sure there is an objective number to give tbh Let's say a guy says the most he's willing to accept is 3. Hard limit. Along comes the absolute perfect woman for him. Him: "How many men have you been with?" Her: "...Four." I highly doubt he's ending it. I think it's more reasonable to get a sense of if she's for the streets or not (respectfully) which basically means: does her sex history gross me out? Do I get an immediate negative feeling when thinking about it? The answers likely v…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/21 02:58 AM
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Any time the more heated topics of sexual pasts and the like come up, I'm left wondering why some of the women who participate get irked or even offended at the dating preferences/criteria of men who they've implied they would never sleep with (or even date) irl. That's odd to me. This applies to the men here as well when discussing women's preferences and criteria.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/21 02:31 AM
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some men give reasons like "damaged pair-bonding" (pseudo-science AFAIK), "more likely to cheat" (true, but not really a certainty), or whatever else. In my opinion, I think a good number of guys do this in order to rationalize the 'ick' factor that they feel. Instead of just saying that the idea of committing to a woman who's been with many men is gross to them, some feel the need to find a justification that is more 'acceptable.' Which I guess is an alien concept to many women. The idea that t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/21 02:16 AM
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you know me
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/21 12:36 AM
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The one who's complete absence from a romantic relationship is more likely to tank it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/21 12:02 AM
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Now, I wonder what the difference is between this woman's idea of "husband material" and everyone else's in that thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 05:47 PM
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Got it. Well, congrats to you both
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 05:41 PM
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high fived each other I would love to see this kind of conversation unfold in person lol If you don't mind me asking, what age were you both when you decided to pursue a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 05:33 PM
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I get being upset at the hypocrisy. I'm still trying to work out my opinion on whether or not it is truly insecurity as well as whether that is a bad thing if it is. Like for me, I would feel off-put and slightly frustrated if a woman asked me for a deep-dive into the types of dates I took others on in the past or tried to compare timelines in terms of relationship progression. However, I can understand how, from a woman's point-of-view, if I did lofty or especially thoughtful things for women i…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 04:45 PM
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I agree; there really isn't a way to ask without making someone feel like their answer will result in negative judgement. I would imagine this is why some women lie when asked directly about their pasts. They don't want a potential relationship opportunity to be ruined. Do you think you would have a negative opinion if a guy you were with had an adverse reaction to something you'd done in the past?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 04:37 PM
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Understandable. On this point: I wouldn't want to date someone who is virginity-obsessed What behaviors qualify as obsession for you? Would simply preferring a virgin qualify? Also, do you think women interpret virginity-obsession as valuing their bodies over who they are as people? Is that why some women take such offense at the idea?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 04:31 PM
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I want to hear from the women on this sub. Ladies, why do you get upset at the idea that a prospective husband or boyfriend would take interest in your past sex life? Would your reaction differ if the guy was consistent with his own standard(s)?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 04:16 PM
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If the friend was out double dating with them, that would be different. This part sparked another question, but I'll leave it here. Thank you for answering.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 04:52 AM
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Ah, thanks for that; I knew it was something living in that world. In the scenario I proposed, you were meant to actually know for certain that the guy was abusive. One of these days I'll present a scenario with no room for interpretation lol One more question if you don't mind: say hypothetically that you were being cheated on without your knowledge. If you found out that a close friend of yours knew about your boyfriend's infidelity but chose not to inform you of it [the infidelity], would you…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 04:40 AM
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Hi Smurf, yours has been an interesting perspective to read on this situation. I know plenty of men who use SA Real quick, what does SA stand for here? I feel like I should know it, but it isn't coming to me. More importantly, how far would that rule go for you? For example, if a friend of yours happened to begin dating a guy who you know for a fact is abusive, what would you do? In this scenario, the friend has no knowledge of the guy's abusive nature, and the guy is either physically or emotio…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 04:15 AM
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Yeah, that surprised me because she seemed relatively mellow yesterday. I enjoyed her thread. Hopefully it isn't for too long because I do enjoy her POV for the most part.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/21 12:40 PM
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puts on durag "Oh my God, are you like a rapper??? Wave Check!" It's annoying because some really do have good intentions, but they can't help but put their foot in their mouth when they try too hard to "relate." They "I don't want to come off as racist" themselves straight into something racist or stereotypical.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/21 12:35 PM
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Ah, I think I understand your viewpoint better now, and the boss/higher ups portion helped a lot. I can see there being some appeal to being able to seduce one of the richest men on the planet. However, I think the appeal may lie more in the idea that his money represents a level of power that he has rather than the money itself. Thank you for explaining that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/21 05:39 PM
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Let's slow down a minute. If I understand you correctly, you are saying that there are women who would sleep with Bill Gates. I absolutely agree with you on that. What I'm saying is that it's likely that they'd only do it because they see some material benefit for doing so; they don't actually fantasize about the idea of sleeping with him (and others like him, this isn't actually about Bill Gates specifically). Like you said, they're not "jerking one out to him." A woman's willingness to have se…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/21 04:57 PM
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I agree that there is nuance to it, but it's difficult to articulate properly. Accomplishments seem to matter (i.e. increase attraction) if the woman in question holds value in it and what it represents for the achiever, but I'm not sure they matter in a vacuum (not saying you claimed that; just trying to work out my thoughts). Becoming an Eagle Scout is something very few people achieve, but I don't know if many of them are swatting women off of them, you know? I think accomplishments matter in…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/21 04:46 PM
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I'm a guy. Whether or not women will have sex with a wealthy man has no bearing on whether they actively desire to do so. The point being made is that money is not sexually arousing in and of itself, but other guys were implying that it was because rich, physically unattractive men are able to have sex with women. Money gets the same strip tease and sexy panties as Magic Mike. Are you sure? Would you prefer a strip tease done because you had to pay for it or done because the woman in question ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/21 04:19 PM
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Check that hop step at ~0:24. The world wasn't ready for that much swag tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/21 03:39 PM
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...You guys don't seriously believe women are sexually aroused by Bill Gates, do you? The comments I've been reading are nuts lol Maybe I'm wrong and Bill's out here spitting mad game
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/21 02:56 PM
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Same, it's weird that some guys in this thread are implying that just because a guy with a lot of money has women around him, the women are sexually attracted to and aroused by him. A woman entertaining a guy with money does not necessarily correlate with sexual attraction to him. Maybe she just sees an opportunity.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/21 02:49 PM
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Fair enough, just thought I'd ask. Have a nice night.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/21 03:47 AM
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I'm asking this out of genuine curiosity: are you truly happy, Ms. Poppy? I've seen a lot of your comments, and I don't understand how someone can simultaneously imply superiority to a group of people (ex. "clueless" men on this sub) and yet spend significant time with them almost daily. Couple that with how consistently caustic you are towards people on this sub, seemingly out of nowhere in some cases, and I am left flummoxed. I like some of your takes (and, honestly, some of your more clever c…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/21 03:14 AM
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I've thought about getting some of the guys here to listen to the lyrics in "Natural" on multiple occasions. "I can't predict my fate, But I can't be his no more. Two years and a few days, But my week with you means more" Doesn't get much clearer than that lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 10:56 PM
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That song is one of my favorites by her. Orion's Belt as well. She has great music.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 10:34 PM
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Fair enough man, let's agree to disagree. Have a good one
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 07:40 PM
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It allows her to think there is a possibility that the guy genuinely wants to watch a movie or whatever, regardless of how unlikely it is to be true. Not trying to be condescending or rude, but I am honestly not sure what your contention is at this point because we are saying the same thing. She isnt stupid, she knows why you are telling her to come upstairs. You keep reiterating this, but I never said otherwise. I said she has an out in her head. I don't know what exactly you are disagreeing wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 06:48 PM
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I appreciate you explaining that, thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 05:45 PM
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She doesn't actually think you want to show her your stamp collection. Her loss. She already knows for certain what your aim is even with plausible deniability. I disagree that she knows a guy's aim for certain when plausible deniability is at play. That's the goal with introducing it into the equation. It allows her to think there is a possibility that the guy genuinely wants to watch a movie or whatever, regardless of how unlikely it is to be true. the example you mention maintains plausible d…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 05:40 PM
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He's looks turn me on regardless of scenario. I understand this, but now I'm curious about the difference between feeling special and being turned on for you. You said earlier that feeling desired leads to the unblocking of your sexual response. Is that different from being turned on? Also, I would like to clarify that from my understanding, Atlas didn't claim being desired creates sexual attraction, she said it induces arousal. I would imagine you already have to be attracted to the guy to begi…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 03:19 PM
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I get you, but let me ask you this, If you and Tom Holland were at a party, which scenario would turn you on more: Tom Holland propositions every woman at that party including you. Tom Holland ignores all of the woman clamoring for him and instead focuses his attention on you because something about you catches his eye.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 02:26 PM
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No, there is a difference between "I want to have sex with you" and "I find you sexually attractive/you are very attractive, blah blah blah" but neither are what I consider using plausible deniability. It may not have been your intention, but please don't be a smart aleck. The specific scenario could work without plausible deniability, but it isn't as necessary to set up because if you are directly telling a woman you find her sexually attractive, you are not pretending that sex isn't your goal.…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 02:16 PM
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Seeing the buzz around that plausible deniability thread led me to read through most of it. It's threads like those that remind me that 1.) statements are interpreted pedantically and 2.) as much as guys say otherwise, some women on this sub do contribute valuable ideas that are worth listening to. On the first point, when people talk about being direct, they aren't saying to walk up to a strange woman out of nowhere and be like "yo, want to have sex?" It's more that you are letting a woman know…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 01:44 PM
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Yeah, that is interesting. Most of that just seems supportive to me, but I can see where he's coming from. Maybe guys are more likely to associate help from a woman with pity than they would if that help was from another dude. Who knows.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/21 12:32 AM
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Narnia, I think your comment helped clarify my understanding of Grid's question. /u/GridReXX, are you asking why men are reluctant to admit a fault? If so, I agree that this is a trend, a prevalent one at that, but I think it's separate from the trust-based fear discussed earlier. I have absolutely witnessed men being unwilling to admit a wrong, and I no doubt have done so myself in the past. However, I think the emotion tied to the situation is different from the other situation. Like Narnia sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/21 12:02 AM
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With all due respect, I think your provided example marginalizes the fear you talk about. Many of the examples I've seen men provide consist of some insecurity that they've divulged later being leveraged against them in order to hurt them. What you've identified/claimed to be men's biggest fear is not as trivial as someone holding them accountable, rather, it is the idea that women would ask for us to be vulnerable and then use what we tell them to hurt us as a result of a perceived slight and/o…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/21 03:48 PM
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You hate to see it. It gives me something to look out for in myself at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 04:35 PM
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I don't have much to weigh in on your situation specifically, but you know, as much as guys say they dislike interacting with overly-emotional/irrational women (which I agree with), I'm beginning to see that some men also don't react too well when women treat them more stoically or with disinterest. I don't know what to make of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 04:00 PM
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Men here are often full of hate as they are in their TRP rage phase, or Blackpill perma rage. They also tend to try to overly codify things is specific ways, often going well beyond what the evidence will support. I agree with this, and there is also the idea that the terms created and used lose their senses of nuance as more people adopt them, adding additional confusion to the mix. Women here, on the other hand, tend to be in defensive mode. They are often worried about what any admission migh…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/21 06:02 PM
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If we were dressing to impress men, we’d be naked Fair enough lol
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/21 05:48 PM
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Would you mind elaborating?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/21 05:11 PM
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So, in your opinion, do women consume beauty products for men or for themselves? Or is it a case of equivocation where a woman saying "I do this for myself" means that she's doing it to attract the man she wants (which is something benefiting her, so it's "for herself")?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/21 05:09 PM
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I agree with Jim's first sentence, and I also agree with you. I think it's less about sex and more about power. Specifically, acquiring more power or status than other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/21 05:06 PM
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I won't pretend to know what the word means definitively, but I do think women want men who are better than them in some personally-defined aspect, but when having these conversations, it's become abundantly clear that women have an aversion to that phrasing. I think they associate a man being "better" or "superior" with malevolent subjugation. Some say something along the lines of "My husband/boyfriend is not better than me, but I look up to him and respect him greatly. He's earned my admiratio…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/21 05:03 PM
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Good morning/afternoon/evening everyone, That hypergamy thread is a perfect example of what I was talking about with Sonic the other day; even in 'Discussion' threads, some people take a more adversarial (sometimes performative) stance and try to "win" the conversation. Some of y'all just wake up swinging. On another topic, when looking at something like advertising, there are many male-targeted ads that imply the acquisition of women's attention upon use of the product, but I can't really say I…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/21 03:34 PM
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An argument being had in another thread made me think of this question. Is the following statement a lie? Disclaimer: By 'lie' I mean is the statement misleading; intention is not a factor in this case. "Grades don't matter for being accepted into an Ivy League." Looking at that statement in abstract, I would say it is. If someone were to say that aloud, people would probably look at them like they're crazy. However, when put into context of the application process, I can see how that claim woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 07:40 PM
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Not quite the direction I was expecting; let me edit the question real quick. EDIT: I wanted the statement to be in a general sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 06:22 PM
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Skimming over this argument between you and u/SylvestorTalone is both entertaining and thought-provoking. I'm going to come back and read the thread more fully later, but in the meantime, could both of you please explain if and why you think the following statement is or is not a lie (specifically equivocation): "Generally, grades do not matter much for being accepted into an Ivy League." EDIT: After reading the thread fully, insults included, I take back my claim about the argument being entert…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 06:16 PM
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The problem is that I already knew all of that Ah, I didn't get that from your initial comment; my mistake. It would be like straight men having to point out that gender matters - you guys don’t care about gay men finding you attractive any more than we care about ugly guys I mean, if I told someone "when looking for love, I focus less on gender and more on connection", I don't think they'd conclude I'm straight. They'd likely think connection is more important than the gender of the person. How…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 10:35 PM
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Pour one out for my man Bob I appreciate you outlining your perspective; hopefully what I aimed to get across was clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 10:03 PM
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Yes, I agree, but I'm attempting to explain why men who hear statements like that may think otherwise. I think when most guys hear "I focus less on looks and more on other qualities", it's taken to mean that at the extremes (see my previous work analogy), the guy with the kindness or relationship-oriented qualities will be chosen. This is not the case. Instead, as you said, looks are a threshold. Also, even if most guys realize looks are a threshold, the perception of where that threshold actual…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 09:27 PM
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I think the point of contention is not that women don't care about appearance at all (though some people do take it that way) but that the statement implies if not claims directly that personality/kindness matter more and outweigh appearance. If someone applying for a job is told "when considering employees, this company puts the focus less on education and more on work experience", but sees that the company consistently chooses inexperienced college graduates over non-college-educated candidate…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 08:14 PM
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That's fair. I think that's a useful distinction to keep in mind, thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 02:29 PM
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Got it. I can see this view on debates in other people's posts as well. However, wouldn't that mean the debates have a performative quality to it? I've noticed that some if not many interactions have more of "trying to win" attitude/approach than trying to come to an agreement or consensus, and I would imagine the performative aspect of debate or "appealing to the crowd" contributes heavily to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 02:10 PM
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I'm trying to find a good way to phrase this, but what is the purpose of asking for proof of the effectiveness of RP or other anecdotal belief(s)? What proof would anyone be able to provide that would convince someone who is staunchly of the opposite belief? Pretty much any example or anecdote would likely either be explained away or hand-waved as something other than what the anecdote holder claims it is or outright dismissed. Even if it is a good anecdote (however that's defined), does anyone …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 01:32 PM
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I can only speak for myself, but one thing that continues to stand out to me is that many people here and otherwise presume to know how others should live their lives. While I think most people can agree on some do's and don'ts, living my life based solely on the opinions of others or based on solely on probability is not an appealing prospect. Quite frankly, something that I try to keep in mind when reading both this sub and others is that there is non-negligible chance that some opinions are c…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 11:02 PM
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I agree for the most part, except I think your last sentence depends on what one considers to be dangerous. An illogical, overly emotional man is certainly more physically dangerous, but I don't think enough people consider just how much damage a scorned or slighted woman can do socially. "Hell hath no fury" as they say, but I do agree with you that on the whole both have essentially equal parts logical and emotional.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 05:30 PM
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If I understand what you're saying correctly, I think I've come to a similar conclusion. I don't agree with the idea among some men that women are "illogical." To me, women's behaviors, thoughts, etc. are "logical", but men and women seem to operate from different premises and objectives, leading both to claim that the other group "doesn't make sense." A great example of this happening around here is when people assume that everyone holds the same definition of what a word like 'respect' means, …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 05:16 PM
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Hi everyone, I've lurked in this sub for a few years now, and I can say I've learned a lot in the process, both about relationships and the way people tend to argue. I've been thinking about the idea of men as a group being more logical and women operating more from a place of emotion, and I'm not sure I agree with the idea as much as I may have at one point. From what I've seen both here and in real life, some (if not many) men tend to come to hold a position from an emotional reason and later …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/21 04:13 PM
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