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The Brain that Changes Itself Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 10:20 PM
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My wife either goes her own way or opposite I did swing/salsa for years. You're might be bad lead for her/a bad lead in general. Sounds like she can't read your cues. Even experienced dancers aren't all good leads. She just needs classes with a good lead, and you need to direct her better, probably need to slow down and practice with her. Some men just really struggle to lead clearly. You should try following, it will help you understand. Any good dancer can do both.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 08:40 PM
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You're supposed to be nice for yourself, because that's the person you are. If you're expecting reciprocation you're doing it for the wrong reasons. Be nice because it make you feel good. Because you like yourself more when you're nice. If other people are assholes, that's their problem. If they don't reciprocate, that's on them for being shitty. Not your problem. If you're being nice to get something out of people, then you aren't nice. You're fake nice. Niceness isn't gonna get you women. It's…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/22 05:54 AM
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Lots of men entertain women with a high body count. Not everyone views sex as meaningful. If one wants a low n count partner, nothing wrong with that. High n count women/men aren't for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/22 05:49 AM
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​ Sounds like he understands female nature and uses it the same way against clueless betas. Will you condemn every individual cam girl who does the same thing alongside the Tate brothers? Or is your hatred specifically directed towards two men for arbitrary reasons? Scamming is wrong, doesn't matter if it's Tate doing it, Nigerian princes, or the cam girls. ​ There were educational materials and even business professors teaching financial literacy to people (women included) who were previously i…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 11:18 PM
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brothers-make-millions-using-webcam-26508739 He has cam girls lie to men for money. He has admitted to this. https://www.gandul.ro/actualitate/anchetatorii-au-descins-in-casa-din-pipera-a-luptatorului-tristan-tate-fost-iubit-al-biancai-dragusanu-ar-fi-sechetrat-o-femeie-alaturi-de-fratele-sau-19775283?utm_source=video_homepage&utm_medium=clicks_video&utm_campaign=video The MLM is a classic MLM. People at the top make money. People at the bottom do not. It wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 10:06 PM
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brothers-make-millions-using-webcam-26508739 https://www.gandul.ro/actualitate/anchetatorii-au-descins-in-casa-din-pipera-a-luptatorului-tristan-tate-fost-iubit-al-biancai-dragusanu-ar-fi-sechetrat-o-femeie-alaturi-de-fratele-sau-19775283?utm_source=video_homepage&utm_medium=clicks_video&utm_campaign=video
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 10:03 PM
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If you think he's an honest man who you should look up to, join hustler university. He says it will make you filthy rich so you can date young virgins. Only $50/month. You keep ignoring what I say about the webcam scams and about the fact that the investigation did find women in his house which Tate lied about.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 09:47 PM
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You keep saying that, but you refuse to explain what hard things women have to do to avoid getting sexually assaulted. Like educate me. Give me an example of a few of these "hard things" that women have to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 09:45 PM
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Congratulations. Not sure what that has to do with how hard dating is for men, but ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 09:18 PM
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Going on public dates while you get to know someone is normal. Nothing to do with Mormons. Not going home with total strangers is just responsible behavior for anyone, not just women. If you don't know how to live a fulfilling life without sleeping with strangers, and engaging in risky behavior then you should consider seeking counseling and working through why that is. The truth is is you can't come to term with the fact that men have a harder time dating, for whatever reason. Going on a few co…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 09:13 PM
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He got raided by Romanian police, who recovered two women. Where's the evidence? Merely claiming something is true doesn't make it true. Literally the Romanian police. https://www.thedailybeast.com/police-raid-maga-king-of-toxic-masculinity-in-human-trafficking-investigation​ Tate claimed there was no one there. The police literally made a public statement to the contrary. The investigation is ongoing. It would be closed if no crimes were committed. Provide evidence. His current girlfriend isn't…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 08:35 PM
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My opinion of him comes from watching his content. He's admitted to being a professional scammer with his webcam business. He scams men. Men. He openly scams men already. You're just his customer. He's running a business and wants you to join his pyramid scheme where you make money selling his program to other people. He got raided by Romanian police, who recovered two women. Tate claimed there was no one there. The police literally made a public statement to the contrary. The investigation is o…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 06:33 PM
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Start thinking for yourself. Ironic.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 05:48 PM
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Whatever age I become, my preferences would stay exactly the same: beautiful, youthful, agreeable So never marry. It's not for everyone. Some people want a partner in life, you want an accessory. Nothing inherently wrong with either one.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 01:36 PM
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You can't possibly believe hot men and women don't get more matches.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 12:39 PM
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What things do women have to do to avoid getting date raped that are difficult? I don't think of going to a starbucks as difficult. Do you?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 04:16 AM
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Can you explain to me how date rape makes dating hard for women? Like where does the difficulty come from? I'm here for you to change my mind. How many women acknowledge the issues that deeply affect men?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 02:48 AM
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It's harder for men to get dates and it's harder for them to get relationships. Within relationships, men can abuse women or women can abuse men. Men's gender doesn't protect them from abuse within a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 02:32 AM
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Because some men can spend months on dating apps and not get a single date, and get rejected repeatedly, over and over again. Any woman can get a date easily and quickly, and statistically the risk of her date drugging her coffee at the Starbucks they meet up at is very, very low. It's like how accounting is a hard profession, but not dangerous. Or how putting all your money into meme stocks is dangerous but easy. Dangerous does not equal hard. The risk of something bad happening doesn't make da…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 02:24 AM
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People don’t actually want to hear the truth, This. People on here claim they want the truth, but they don't. Most people don't. Most people can't handle being told "you're the problem" and get mad and defensive. The truth stares back at all of us in the mirror every day, but they keep searching for the "secret" for how to get men/women without doing any hard work or changing themselves in any significant way.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/22 01:09 AM
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That doesn't make it harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 07:36 PM
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Sure, it happens. That doesn't mean it's common, or that dating is hard for women. Again, something can be dangerous and not hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 07:05 PM
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I've never met any woman in my life that has been drugged at a coffee shop or restaurant. This is not a common or regular occurrence in Canada or here. If what you're saying is true, it's extremely, extremely rare. Getting drugged at coffee shops does not "happen regularly to women." That's a blatant lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 06:56 PM
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You've had multiple friends drugged at coffee shops and at restaurants? Damn, where are you from, Botswana? That doesn't happen here in the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 06:15 PM
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Guys that get a lot of sex on their merits, rather than lying / being manipulative, absolutely end up with less promiscuous women. They end up with gold diggers. No one is dating Andrew Tate or Russian Oil tycoons for their lovely personalities. Also Tate isn't dating virgins. He is lying to you, so he can sell you his program. Romania is a conservative country. Virgins there are trying to get married to providers, not get pumped, dumped and beat up by a bald Brit that thinks women are property.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 06:09 PM
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Not if you go on a coffee date and go home. More dangerous doesn't equal more difficult. Something can be easy and dangerous or difficult and safe.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 05:43 PM
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I'm sorry for what happened to you. I understand why you personally don't want to date after that. That being said, the average woman isn't afraid of going on a date in public. Women aren't living in fear of men. The world will always be full of bad men and women. We have to learn to live our lives with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 05:26 PM
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That's not really true though. A woman can simply choose not to date. The fact that women are at greater risk of assault doesn't have anything to do with how many options they have or how easy or hard it is for them for get a date. Women can take precautions to stay safe when dating. Go on dates in public places, text friends where you are, watch your drink, don't go home with him until you get to know him.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 04:43 AM
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I kinda look at these two as separate things.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 02:49 AM
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Women are definitely at much higher risk of being attacked/assaulted by men than men are by women. When I say harder, I mean it's harder for men to find someone, and that men don't have as many options. It's generally more dangerous and risky for women due to risk of pregnancy, assault, rape, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 02:29 AM
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First paragraph, age 25 is written. Why not raise the age of consent substantially above the mean of 17.1 or whatever it is in the US? It's 18. The brain is much more developed at 18 than 15. Continental African citizens stupid for assigning sub 16 ages of consent? Would it be culturally insensitive to assert that they are immoral for creating their statutes that way? I don't think it's culturally insensitive to believe that 16 year olds are not old enough to consent to have sex with adults. It'…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 02:24 AM
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https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/encyclopedia/content.aspx?ContentTypeID=1&ContentID=3051
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 02:10 AM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 01:10 AM
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Brain development is very connected to age, not just experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 01:10 AM
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It's illegal. If it's illegal, don't do it. Her life experiences don't make her more mature. Brain development is brain development. The fact that this amazing 15 year old is willing to date a "genetically frightful adult male with low self esteem" tells you that she is not mature. He's welcome to wait until she is 18.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 12:31 AM
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When adults date high schoolers that is rape. High schoolers having sex irresponsibly with each other is bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 12:22 AM
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Same.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 08:44 PM
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I don't think you actually know how the majority of old men going after young women behave or what they are thinking. But, I've seen enough 90 day fiance to know that it's usually....both. They want someone very young not only because young people are attractive, but because they are easy to control. There are exceptions, but most of the time, dating someone your daughter's age is not a genuine connection. They want to have a hot young woman as an accessory. And as long as the young woman is old…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 07:36 PM
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Carpet.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 03:14 PM
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I think so. Happy cake day.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 09:39 PM
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Ironically, the cleanest guy I dated never vacuumed.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 08:16 PM
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So you're agreeing that women go after toxic men on purpose, but men are too stupid to know better.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 08:15 PM
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So my ex boyfriend would say this about me because he was so much cleaner than me. At the end of the day...people just have different standards of cleanliness. I've since dated men messier than me, and learned to just let it go. Part of living with another person is compromise, and I don't want my partner to feel nagged or pressured. I don't mind picking up after him because he'll change my oil when I need it or carry in the groceries or take the cat to the vet. I'll cook but he'll make a last m…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 07:42 PM
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Dating is really, really hard for men, much harder than for women. Make sure to put time into yourself, your hobbies, and your friends. Treat all women and men with respect, but know your worth, and make sure the people you let into your life treat you with respect. Who you are on the inside matters most to the people that love you and to yourself, but people will notice what you look like on the outside first, and make judgments from that. It's up to you to decide whether and how much that matt…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 07:35 PM
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They don't. I think there's a bias because it's considered "cool" for a teenage boy to sleep with an older woman, when it's really rape. But there are so many stories of your boys groomed by priests/coaches etc. Young people are all susceptible to grooming. I would also guess of all predators that groom children, a majority is heterosexual men. That's just a guess though.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 07:28 PM
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Answer my question. Prove me wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 12:00 PM
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This is where reading a history book would help as you would learn about the nobility class, ie the upper or that ruling class. So within each class men and women had equal power. Noble men and women had equal power? Poor men and women had equal power?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 10:28 AM
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​ Who had more power?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 10:27 AM
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Breeding fetish.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 02:48 AM
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and flakes on agreed dates. Why? It sounds like she likes attention. She might be a crappy person
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 02:42 AM
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Its a movement for women's rights on the basis of equality of the sexes. I said that in an older comment in this comment chain as well. That is the definition of feminism, but, like any movement, it's more complex than one single sentence. This feels like going to a BLM meeting and saying how can they be for equality if they don't care about white people's issues. Or going to a disability rights organization and saying they don't want to be equal to non-disabled people because non-disabled peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 10:59 PM
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Is there a rise in autism...or is there a rise in correctly diagnosing autism?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 10:07 PM
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Once. He had a pretty voice and a very calm temperament that I really liked. Wasn't a looker. The opposite has happened more, usually when someone has beliefs that conflict with my own.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 10:06 PM
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No one wants a doormat.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 10:04 PM
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I like romance for the emotions. Those stories make me feel something. I like female protagonists because I can relate to them better. That being said, I also like plenty of books/movies/shows not oriented to the female gaze.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 10:04 PM
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Derailing it from what? Our entire conversation has been about male victims. I responded to your comment asking about men that stay with abusers.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 08:40 PM
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I asked you a direct question and you didn't answer it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 08:09 PM
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Where did you ask me if men abuse women substantially worse?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 07:10 PM
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Well feminism is a movement for women's rights, so they focus on rights for women. Saying feminists don't fight for men's rights is like saying cancer support groups don't advocate for PTSD. Of course a woman's group is for women. That being said, people are welcome to change policy surrounding the draft. Men aren't pushing for a change, and women don't want to be drafted. People talk about the draft as a "gotcha" but irl there's no movement there. There are countries like Israel where both men …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 04:36 PM
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That's not a gotcha. It's a genuine question. You're telling me men and women in Elizabethan England had an equal amount of power, and that power only came from socioeconomic class. Prove it. I'm assuming you're conceding if you can't prove your claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 04:14 PM
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Can you describe the power noble men had and noble women had in society?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 11:26 AM
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So when guys date toxic women at 22 it's because they're too stupid to know better, but when women do it it's because they like toxic?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 11:06 AM
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So men and a woman had the same amount power if they were the same socioeconomic level?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 10:58 AM
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Im 22 so is it really that weird to expect maturity from women my age? Yes. And men. You're not done maturing yet, and that's normal. It would be unusual if at 22 you had the wisdom of a 50 year old. Early 20's are to make mistakes and learn.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 05:10 AM
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Men prefer toxic women. Based on the amount of men that have claimed to date crazy psychos....
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 05:10 AM
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So he went to work with black eyes and bruises? Yes. I'm not sure why you're being mean about domestic violence, but I hope you heal from whatever you're dealing with.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 08:37 PM
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It is kinda silly because it's unrealistic to fly abroad and find some rich folks to chill with. I'm not trying to be serious though, I'm being lighthearted. I just thought it was funny, and your comment gave me a bit of a laugh.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 08:10 PM
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I just thought it was funny you casually suggested someone spend time around old money in Europe.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 07:38 PM
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Your question:How many men do you know going to work with bruises and black eyes? How many men do you know staying with girlfriends or wives who won’t stop cheating on them? I answered that I know one man like this, and gave an example. So what are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 07:32 PM
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This really isn't the case in real life. People date within their social circles. Rich men might have fun with the pretty retail girl, but he's not marrying her.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 07:26 PM
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"spend time around old money in Europe" Ok. We'll get right on that lol
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 07:22 PM
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You asked me a direct question about men and I answered it about men so I'm not sure what you're getting at.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 06:53 PM
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It's because I don't want biological kids but do want to adopt. This has been a deal breaker for pretty much all men I've ever dated. They are either childfree or want bio kids. Dating a woman this is a lot less of an issue. Otherwise I'd be much more open to cold approaches from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 04:52 PM
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My step dad was a victim of my mom's abuse. Stayed with her until he died. I watched him get pushed, scratched, punched and screamed at. He was abused by his own parents growing up. No one had any idea what was going on.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 04:49 PM
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If she's hot I'd go out with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 04:19 PM
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Men do that. Lots of men are victims of abuse, and many stay in abusive relationships. Unfortunately there is massive stigma against male victims right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 04:17 PM
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Most feminists I see are against the draft all together or do think we should all be drafted. But the movement is less about equality in general and more about women's rights on the basis of equality of the sexes. To me that means feminists work towards solving women's issues, but don't address men's issues if men are behind women. I'm hoping the next wave of feminism makes people realize that for gender equality both sides need to fight for both sides to a certain extent at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 04:02 PM
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It's happened a few times, but the most interesting one was where an old russian grandma approached me while I was at work, said her son would just love me, and gave him my number. I went on the date mostly because the grandma was so sweet. He was nice but not my type (he was like 15 years older.) I had a guy approach at a convenience store who I dated for a couple of weeks. He wasn't great looking, but he just introduced himself and said he'd like to take me out and I said sure. I wasn't into h…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 04:01 PM
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I mean we coerce not murdering people too. We coerce kids into school. We coerce criminals into prisons. If you're advocating for a tribal anarchy type of system then you're gonna not have taxes, but you'll also have a lot of raping and pillaging.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 02:09 PM
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Are you saying we're forced to have sex to live in the US the same way we're forced to pay taxes to live in the US? I've never been forced to have any sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 12:33 PM
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Bummer. Guess you gotta leave the US to do it. But you could do it. Van life, tent life, travel the world, live in homeless camps, live in a cave.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 12:21 PM
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Well you know it's at least one.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 12:20 PM
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You think men and women had equal power in Elizabethan England?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 12:18 PM
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Nah, people actually do it. Like Chris McCandless. You can also leave the country and do it. You can live in a van or in a tent.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 11:56 AM
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You can leave society and go live in the the Alaskan wilderness.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 11:41 AM
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15 other women and myself were honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 06:35 AM
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What if we don't expect a man to pay for the date?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 06:29 AM
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She doesn't love him because he doesn't do chores. She loves him for other reasons. If you don't want to do housework, you can just be open about that and find a woman that wants to stay home, or is ok with her doing housework while you contribute in other ways. People that don't do chores....can still be perfectly nice, lovable people.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 06:09 AM
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Proof?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 05:06 AM
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I mean I personally believe everyone can have whatever standards they want, even if they're being hypocrites. If they can get that dream guy/girl, more power to them!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 02:11 AM
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I googled Kevin and he's super hot! I'm shocked he struggled that much. Really sad to hear.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 02:10 AM
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I think it's less about all that and more about birth control. Back then having casual sex men getting pregnant and STDs which weren't very treatable. It made sense for societies to discourage casual sex. They discouraged it for men too, but men had fewer consequences for it so they did it more. Fathering a bastard child might have been uncool, but getting pregnant with one was super uncool.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 02:04 AM
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Being a man isn't a "standard."
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 02:01 AM
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I mean your response about ugly people has nothing to do with what I said. That being said, porn stars and strippers come in all levels of attractiveness so it still doesn't apply.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 12:15 AM
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My point is, the women that complain about it are usually not the same women that "do it to themselves."
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 11:35 PM
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The women that don't like objectification are usually not strippers and porn stars.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 11:01 PM
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Lack of self awareness is a problem both genders experience at similar rates. Few people understand themselves well or understand other people well, while most people falsely think they are self aware, empathetic, and fantastic people readers.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 09:23 PM
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"Ok."
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 09:21 PM
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Book Jacob is 6'7''.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 08:30 PM
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Furthermore, that exact logic could be applied to anything including women, not that I would approve of it: “ oh, you don’t want to be forced to be in a relationship with a man you don’t like? Great, just leave society” You almost got it! It's more like, "you don't want to be in a relationship? You don't have to be." You don't even have to leave society to not pay taxes. You just have to not have an income. There are people in the US (a few but they exist) that live off the land, do everything u…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 06:42 PM
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You don't have to work for money, and you don't have to work for a traditional employer. You can start a commune with your friends and make bouncy balls your form of currency. You can volunteer. You can work for your neighbor for oranges. You can not work at all and hunt for food in Alaska. You can start a farm and be self sufficient. You can build a boat, hop on it, and live in the ocean for ever and eat fish, and die of scurvy. You can make a hut, set it up in the Canadian forest, and live off…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 06:20 PM
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Mm I'd say she has thoughts of her own, but her idea of happiness is life as a vampire with Edward, and I think that's ok. Makes her boring, but she's also 17 with two negligent parents. But I agree with you, and there are male fans of twilight!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 06:00 PM
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You don't have to work for money, and you can go live in the woods and not use money and not pay taxes and not be part of society.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 05:58 PM
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If you can't see how sex and living in the woods are two different things then you probably can't tell the difference between apples and oranges and I can't help you. The government doesn't force you to pay taxes if you don't work for money, money that the government prints and regulates. So no, it doesn't force you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 05:02 PM
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I'm a feminist, so you did.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 05:01 PM
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Friend, when you make the choice to live in a society and use it's resources, you consent to pay taxes. You're welcome to move to the woods, be self sufficient, and not pay taxes. You already have a choice. When you take on a job that's benefiting from the country's economy...you consent to pay taxes. No one is going to go after you if you exchange pretty rocks for carrots in a tribal community.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 04:45 PM
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The war on drugs began with President Nixon, so I don't know what you're getting at. It was a huge part of Nixon's platform. ​ I think it would be helpful for you to look at Patriarchy like a spectrum. Patriarchy on one side, Matriarchy on the other, and equality in the middle. Afghanistan is a hard patriarchy right now. England with a ruling queen was still a very patriarchal society, but slightly closer to the middle. The modern US is pretty much in the middle. Here's some info about patriarch…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 04:42 PM
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Taxes and relationships can't be compared.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 04:26 PM
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Fun fact, 50 shades began as a Twilight fan fiction
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 04:25 PM
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I think the biggest difference is Edward is able to give Bella eternal youth and immortality. That's huge.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 04:24 PM
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That's not correct. NPD in men is only slightly more common. Narcissism is caused by emotional neglect/trauma in childhood, not gender. There may be a genetic component that predisposes people, but it's more likely that it's less that and more to do with generational trauma. While men may be more aggressive and competitive due to biology, having issues with empathy and narcissism aren't related to gender. Men and women have similar rates, and that's not counting the many people that never get as…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 07:49 AM
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No but book Jacob is! He's 6'7''
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 04:44 AM
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Jacob is 6'7''. Taylor Lautner is 5'8''
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 04:44 AM
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I mean I could ship Eddie and wolfboy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 03:32 AM
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And I want more.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 01:58 AM
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Furiosa and Max were both the protagonists
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 01:24 AM
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So happy to see Hot Priest here!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 01:22 AM
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Men irl hold back. Men online feel a lot more free. Also you're probably not friends with the men that hate women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 11:49 PM
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It's definitely had a huge resurgence, and Midnight Sun sold a million copies it's first week.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 11:48 PM
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It's a representation of the female gaze, that continues to be popular with women of all ages. And some men! It's ok if you and your friends don't like it, it's not for everyone, but it's ongoing popularity is undeniable.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 11:29 PM
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Edward is very rich. It's part of the plot in the books more so than the movies, but it's there. His clan has multiple mansions and private islands. Tell that to the team Jacob girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 11:27 PM
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Most of us understand that lol. A lot don't, especially young people, and it fuel genuine hatred towards women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 11:26 PM
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Do red pill men think that the way women talk about men in female spaces it's also "locker talk" and totally ok? Or do they find it manipulative, offensive, and man-hating?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 10:26 PM
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Suffering and standing up to despotic governments is admirable, but not sexually attractive. Being hot and confident is sexually attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 10:21 PM
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Twilight. Impossibly beautiful, forever young, multi-millionaire, with superpowers falls madly in love with an average human woman with poor social skills and no hobbies. He's also tells her he's killed a lot of people and wants to kill her, but she manages to charm him into not killing her by being like, "I trust you won't do it." And he's just like "I love you because you think I won't kill you even though I really want to kill you and almost killed you a bunch of times." Then another very bea…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 09:50 PM
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Me not wanting to have biological kids but wanting to adopt has been a massive deal breaker for all the men that I've dated. So many men are either child free, or want biological kids. I met 1 guy ever that also wanted to adopt not reproduce.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 08:23 PM
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I think it's ok to recognize that it's hard for women to find a man they are happy with and recognize that many men have no one, and how much harder that is. I agree men have it harder, but that doesn't mean it's right to dismiss woman that aren't able to find someone compatible. Men deal with this too. There are men that could get a woman, but not a woman they're compatible with. I'm sure you can both empathize with them and the men that get no one.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 08:20 PM
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Look this isn't a women issue. It's a people issue. Statistically, men and women have similar rates of narcissism...or shitty people that act badly exist on both sides. It's sad how many people do "men bad" or "women bad" when it's got nothing to do with gender. People on both sides do this stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 08:15 PM
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Thanks. I've got two cats now, so I'd say it worked out. Five more to go before it's official.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 05:52 PM
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No, I wish. Should have gone for chads if the end result is the same
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 05:40 PM
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Me, thinking of all the times I got rejected...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 05:36 PM
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​ Once again you focus on seats of power while saying it's men who had power and ignoring history. No I'm not. I'm following the dictionary definition of patriarchy. Other people have already explained patriarchy for you. If women weren't allowed to vote or run for political office, or take out loans, etc. we've got a patriarchy. The US and many other countries were patriarchal. Many still are. If you're using a different definition of patriarchy you should just look it up. No one is saying wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 04:32 PM
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Who are the old ladies banging?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 04:44 AM
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Finally, a reasonable take.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 04:39 AM
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I will say, my experience on OLD is anecdotal, but most men put so little effort into it. Women too. It's just an awful place, but a lot of the men and women on there aren't exactly trying their best. Empty profiles, can't talk to people, no social skills, raging insecurity, horrible pictures. Women don't have to try very hard, and that sucks, but their profiles will be just as bad. On top of that it's hard when men do put in effort, but too many don't even bother and are shocked they can't get …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 02:00 AM
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I'm not denying that lawyer is a career. I have no idea what an insurance specialist is, that sounds like classic job title inflation to me. Teacher is a job. Idk my mom works in insurance, and it's def her career. She's worker her way up, works a lot, etc. Teaching is a career, I've never met a teacher that says otherwise. The part time teller at Albertsons for the summer that goes to college has a "job." The vast majority of people have jobs, not careers. A job is a task somebody has to be pai…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 12:35 AM
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Not enough to where studying doesn't work. There's always been a slight bias one way or the other. The whole education system is biased against poor people.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 12:28 AM
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Most people do have careers. If you're working in the same field, working your way up, that's a career. Teachers, lawyers, insurance specialists all have careers. I didn't say being a stay at home mom or dad is a sacrifice. A lot of the time the sacrifice is taking on extra work, or doing something you aren't passionate about for money because kids are expensive. It's a sacrifice both parents can make. Stay at home moms and dads also make sacrifices.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 11:24 PM
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So explain why they advocated for men not to have due process when accused of rape in college? Idk who did that but sounds crazy. Like in any group, feminism has it's crazy extremists. Something Obama made happened. What are you talking about? Is this a law? And feminists sure not fighting for men to have rights either. Men don't have body autonomy and haven't for quite some time. I mean I support everyone getting drafted, as do lots of feminists. Apart from that, we all have equal bodily autono…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 09:02 PM
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I mean in a family, especially the typical dual income family, both parents make sacrifices primarily for children. Two single adults with no kids don't need to sacrifice much in this day and age. Sure, maybe one will move somewhere they don't really wanna move to, or refuse a promotion far away, but that's pretty much it. Couples generally mostly benefit from being a couple.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 07:51 PM
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When it comes to the important stuff, men on the extreme spectrum of Influence have all the power True. That doesn't mean they are good leaders. Many of the women in power are doing a great job. Many women are doing a bad job. Many of the men in power, the men running banks and hedge funds aren't good people or good leaders. That being said, I'm sure we'll see their evil female counterparts claw their way to the top in the years to come. The men in charge aren't there because they're tall brutes…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 07:48 PM
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I've never heard a family be called "an abstract notion." Other than that I'm not sure what you're arguing at this point. You seem to agree with me that everyone makes sacrifices.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 06:57 PM
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Women out compete men all the time. Thats how women win elections and get promotions over men. They now do better in school, and we have more and more women graduating college every year. The majority of lawyers in the US are now women. You don't need to be domineering to get a leadership position, and people know this. People know being dominant doesn't make someone a good leader. Good leaders are hard working, empathetic, smart, creative, goal-oriented, etc. Women are getting great results in …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 05:58 PM
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Hanna Marin and Jacinda Arden would like a word with you. In all seriousness though, that's not true. We're no longer brutes living in tribes. There is no need to be masculine to give good speeches, write effective legislation, or manage a team in an office. There are masculine women that are successful leaders, and feminine women that are successful leaders. It's also not true that the most assertive, biggest, and deepest-voiced men lead. Male leaders can be (and are) also soft spoken, reserved…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 05:45 PM
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I don't disagree that it happened due to biology in early history. People are animals, after all. But the world has changed to where biological differences between men and women don't effect a women's ability to govern/lead successfully, as can be seen by the many successful female leaders. That being said, if society collapsed and reverted back tribal societies men would certainly take charge. Our lives now are far from "natural," and have been for a very long time. Hence why the patriarchy cam…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 03:58 PM
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Do you like keep proving my point about this or something? All you are doing is only looking at seats of power while ignoring all other forms of power. Further you think all men had power when history disproves this and proves all you feminist wrong least in regards to US history. Power back then like today has been rooted in social economic class. If you actually read US history you would know only men who own land could vote, ie those with money. If you where poor you didn't get a vote. But yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 03:51 PM
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A country that was governed by men and the laws of which were written by men is by definition a patriarchy. By saying only men had power, I mean men wrote the laws and men were in positions of power, like governors, presidents, senators, business owners etc. That's what makes it a patriarchy. ​ You say that but you like other feminists think men hold the blame not women. You think women are the victims and had no say in society. Further you only care about women's issues yet you claim to want eq…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 01:23 PM
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I don't know. I think everyone should be drafted.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 12:09 PM
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I would argue that it's much easier being a woman, than a man, in today's age. Depends where you live in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 11:36 AM
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People make sacrifices for their families as a whole. Women within family units make sacrifices, just like men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 11:35 AM
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Patriarchy is nothing more than saying men are at fault for well everything. This is factually incorrect. Patriarchy is a system of government/a society where men hold power And no we never actually had one, but you like other feminists only look at seats of power and nothing else. We had a system where only men had power, so we had a patriarchy. Normal women won't identify as feminists as normal women won't be against men like feminism is. Also only a couple of countries even actually fit what …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 11:34 AM
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. As feminists think women no matter what have it worse than men. I agree many feminists think women have it worse and think they are very wrong. But many don't. I've always called myself a feminist, and I don't think women have it worse, nor do I think they have always had it worse historically. I think both men and women had it hard for different reasons. We can recognize that there are problems within feminism, and that some women say things that are wrong, without discounting the whole movem…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 11:26 AM
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Patriarchy is just a system where laws/rules are made by men. We have had one for most of history, though it has changed in modern history/depending on country. By definition, many countries are no longer patriarchal. I don't think normal women that identify as feminists want men to lose rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 11:21 AM
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The people that post stuff like that are crappy people. The world will always be full of those and has always been.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 08:28 AM
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So, It's not about equal rights. We currently have equal rights, but feminists do want equal rights. I don't think feminism is to blame for dating issues. I think OLD plays a huge role in issues for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 08:26 AM
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Patriarchy is what we had when women had no rights, but feminists agree across the board the system hurt both men and women. Wanting a diverse group of people to govern has nothing to do with stripping away men's rights. No normal woman wants to take away men's rights. I just want to keep my rights and my freedom of choice and for you to keep yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 08:00 AM
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Feminism is pushing for men to lose rights. No, it's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 07:44 AM
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Feminism is about equal rights and giving women choice: they can choose to stay home or work instead of being forced into a role. Feminism is about maintaining equality, it's important in the modern age to prevent regression and to prevent the loss of rights. And it's about solving women's issues. Each gender will always have their own unique issues, no matter how close to equality we get.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 07:42 AM
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*Spitting his opinions as facts
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 07:36 AM
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Women and men move for their partners, sacrifice careers to stay with partners, sacrifice to raise for children, to care for their partners, to care for sick family members. It's just silly to say women don't sacrifice. The mom working two jobs to provide for her family is sacrificing no less than the dad working two jobs to provide for his family.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 07:13 AM
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To say that women don't sacrifice is so, so wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 06:34 AM
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Well, that's on them to work through that. They're free to choose to do that, and then they'll deal with the consequences, and hopefully grow and learn. When men make mistakes no one suggests taking away their freedom of choice, and no one should. I don't want my freedom limited because someone made a mistake or a bad choice with their freedom. I'm guessing you don't want your freedom limited because of the mistakes of others either. We just hope that people grow and learn. Some will, some won't…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 07:29 PM
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It's always been about giving women freedom of choice. You don't have to like the choices women make, and women don't have to like the choices you make. But we are all free to choose who we sleep with.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 06:40 PM
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Are you saying women are ugly without makeup or....
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 06:59 AM
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Has unpaid female labor been included in this, like childcare, cooking etc.? A lot of these stats don't take into account the free labor that women have provided throughout history—labor necessary to keep society functioning and capital flowing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 05:48 AM
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WIC is just for women that are pregnant, breastfeeding or 6 months postpartum...it's really for babies. It's to help have healthy babies. That's not really discrimination of any sort. Food stamps on the other hand, are given to all adults. It's more than reasonable that poor pregnant people are given nutritious food so they can have healthy babies. There's not a male equivalent of this, save for trans men that choose to get pregnant.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 05:43 AM
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Are the social services given based on gender? Are men denied social services based on gender?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 01:45 AM
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How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 12:50 AM
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Doesn't planned parenthood just offer abortions and prenatal care in addition to STD testing? Those aren't things they can do for men. I do agree there should be no homeless shelters discriminating by gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 12:49 AM
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Men can go to planned parenthood, can't they? And welfare is only given out the people with kids, it's for the kids' benefit. Are homeless women getting benefits homeless men aren't? Homeless men do qualify for food stamps and food banks and expanded medicaid programs.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 12:27 AM
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I'm gonna say, romantic love is not just important in English speaking countries/the western world.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/22 11:34 PM
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Ok so it's not being funneled based on gender, but based on need which seems...fine?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/22 10:27 PM
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They don't mean make fart jokes to women. They mean treat women like people not sex objects/aliens when they say that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/22 10:07 PM
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I won't have sex with someone until I feel like I want to have sex with someone. The time that takes varies person to person. I'm not going to have sex with someone I'm not wanting to have sex with. If that bothers the man in question, then we aren't compatible.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/22 09:59 PM
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How is it being funneled to just women?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/22 09:53 PM
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Self confidence is liking yourself, believing in yourself, not feeling inferior to others, not being mean/negative towards yourself, not feeling insecure. It comes from within, from the relationship you have with yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/22 06:10 PM
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50 Shades is not about a rich guy abducting his secretary. It's about a rich guy stalking a college student. That being said...women liking strong, powerful and attractive men isn't some revelation exclusive red pill. I think we can all agree women don't fantasize about weak, poor, old, ugly men, and men don't fantasize about weak, ugly, old women. In real life though people end up settling because that "fantasy" person isn't attainable for most men/women or doesn't even exist in real life. But …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/22 06:06 PM
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Well a boring person doesn't usually think they are boring, so they're probably going to be happy with another boring person, also not thinking they are boring.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/22 01:51 AM
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I'm usually very open with men from the beginning that I'm not interested in marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 09:24 PM
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Women without hair/makeup are no more or less attractive than men in their natural state.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 09:22 PM
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FDS and Red Pill are both terrible in their own, unique ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 06:15 PM
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I feel like calling someone promiscuous for having causal sex once is a misuse of the word
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 06:08 PM
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I mean I'm speaking from experience. I don't think you can speak for what it feels like since you've never felt it
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 03:47 PM
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Government regulation prostitution would put an end to sex trafficking because it would be legal and regulated by the state similar to how Germany or Netherlands deals with sex work laws I'm all for legalization, but countries that did it didn't see a reduction in trafficking.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 03:13 PM
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Its not about attraction. You can be very attracted to them and not orgasm. Its about stimulating the right area/size.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 03:11 PM
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To see if I'd like them if I got to know them
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 03:05 PM
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If that's in the context of a date that's a guys fault because he had passed the looks threshold of that woman, otherwise she wouldn't have gone on the date with him in the first place, he just couldn't steer it in an assertive and masculine manner and create chemistry and arousal. Idk about other people, but I've gone on dates with guys I wasn't physically attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 05:22 AM
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D! Being there for people is really hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 08:38 PM
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I think men have gotta talk about this before trying for a baby not after she's pregnant/given birth unless he has reason to suspect cheating...because she's gonna feel like he thinks she cheated/doesn't trust her. If you lay it out early it won't be as big of a deal and if she doesn't like it she can leave and save her feelings. People lie and cheat. But, people that don't can get hurt if they feel like the person they love doesn't trust them so this isn't gonna be an easy conversation to have.…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 06:31 AM
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I once had men follow me to my car from my job at the mall and tell me they're going to kill and rape me. I think I could handle it. Rejection is hard, and part of life is developing a healthy way of dealing with rejection. I do feel bad for men that deal with a lot of it in dating. It's not easy being rejected repeatedly.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 05:51 AM
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If you've ever seen sister wives, you'd know harems are not leaving women satisfied.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 05:50 AM
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Ok, but how specifically do you treat them badly? Do you call them names? Do you yell at them? What are examples of "treating them like trash?"
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 05:08 AM
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How exactly were you shitty? Were you mean to them or something? And maybe the women you attracted were dumb...world's full of dumb men and women. Doesn't mean you have to take advantage of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 02:43 AM
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The only reason to change your personality is for yourself. Men weren't better men in the past, and they won't be better men if it was harder to get women. Putting on a fake persona for women isn't the same thing as changing your personality, as becoming more self aware, more empathetic, kinder, taking an interest in others, etc. You'd be surprised how loving and being loved by a woman can make you want to be the best version of yourelf. For the honeymoon period. Then you're back to your old sel…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 02:31 AM
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​ I would argue that it kind of is to a degree but only if women ever hope to achieve equality. Incels are much more of a threat to women in general than they are too men. Those guys dream of days where rape will be legalized. I think women have already pretty much achieved equality. There are always going to be bad people that have no respect for genders, races, sexual orientations different from their own, regardless of how those people act. There are always going to be people that will want t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 12:50 AM
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Yeah sure. But it becomes a bit of a problem when you realise a woman is willing to take all the risks aforementioned and sleep with you even though you know you are a shitty person. It contradicts what women are suposed to be attracted to and as such encourages bad behaviour in men. It's not on women to fix bad men. It's not on men to fix bad women. We're all responsible for our own behavior. ​ I happened to have had the benefit of being a some what attractive guy so women let me get away with …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/22 12:01 AM
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Just sayin If (assuming) women/Feminism wants to achieve equality and respect for women maybe Female promiscuity needs to take a back seat. Feminism is about giving women choice and freedom, and this has nothing to do with feminism. This is a personal problem you had with your own outlook. It's on men and women to respect their casual sex partners, because that's what decent people do. Respect doesn't mean you have to want to date them or like them, but treat them with basic human decency and al…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 10:28 PM
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Most people do settle and settle down eventually, especially as people get older, but it's a long road to get there for the less genetically blessed.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 08:42 PM
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See, that's totally fine. We can't help who we find attractive. You're not saying you will only date white people or half white people. Your attraction is to physical features not race. Perhaps if you lived for a while in a more diverse place you might find yourself attracted to people that aren't white. Perhaps not. But it's not race that you're focused on, it's physical features.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 08:17 PM
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Most people are bad at self awareness
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 06:29 PM
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When it comes to dating I disagree. Boring good looking people always have other boring people. If you aren't good looking, being interesting and not good looking is gonna result in "Let's just be friends. You're so great, the attraction just isn't there. I don't feel the spark."
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 06:13 PM
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Great. Your preference is for a physical feature. You're not discounting races of people. Because people within each race all look different. There are many places in the world where you'll find people with long, slender noses that aren't white, and many white people that don't have long slender noses.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 05:15 PM
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??
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 04:22 PM
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A TEN YEAR OLD RAPE VICTIM WAS DENIED AN ABORTION. https://peoplesdispatch.org/2022/07/15/10-year-old-in-ohio-forced-to-cross-state-lines-for-an-abortion/
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 03:51 PM
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People can do what they want, and you can chose not to date whoever you don't wanna date.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 03:00 PM
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Yes. We went on a date. It was awkward.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 05:02 AM
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Or they just like to chat
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 02:36 AM
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With a lot of women over 40 they aren't worried about men hitting on them or misinterpreting friendliness for flirting, so it's like they are free to be nice and friendly with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 01:19 AM
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Nope. I think when people make race a dating criteria it's racist. We're not talking shared culture, or religion, but race alone. The question is why would someone only date a certain race? I can't think of an answer to that question that isn't gonna be racist. If I met a white person that said they only date other white people, we see that as a red flag. I think that goes for people of all races. Within each race there are a million cultural, ethnic, and religious groups, so it isn't about that…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 12:33 AM
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Yeah, but why do they only want to date men "of their race?" Would they date an albino black man? A black man that passes as white?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 11:57 PM
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Strawman. Even the most trad countries allow abortion for rape victims. Doesn't mean they'd allow abortion. Lol you think I made that up. This literally just happened bro.https://www.npr.org/2022/07/17/1111912927/the-doctor-who-performed-an-abortion-for-a-10-year-old-rape-victim-faces-backlas The anti abortion laws sweeping the us don't have a rape exception. Women are struggling to get ectopic pregnancies removed and can't get DEAD fetuses removed. https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2022/07/18/w…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 11:53 PM
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Why do they prefer black men?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 11:52 PM
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Well, thats what people have to do. That's how civil rights and suffrage happened. You want change, it's gonna take hard work and pissing people off. Ya'll are welcome to fight for everyone to be drafted, for greater equality in the justice system, for the end of tax breaks for women's businesses and women scholarships, for more shelters for men, etc. Also—a lot of conservatives are pro choice, not sure why you're saying that. Like regular conservative people. A ten year old rape victim had to c…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 11:29 PM
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So if you want patronizing policies to go away, what other answer do you have? Yeah, they should. Women should be drafted and get sentenced for the same amount of jail time as men. So let's try and make THAT happen and not removing human rights, guys. Men are welcome to advocate for this stuff!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 11:10 PM
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Yes. I think preferences for physical traits are totally fine, hair color, skin color, eye color, height, weight, etc. Preferences for certain races over others is usually less about someone having physical preferences and more about racism.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 11:08 PM
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Not doing something because you can't is different than not doing something because you wouldn't. I don't get why so many men jump to taking away women's rights. Instead of looking at ways that men/women could change, it's take away women's rights. I would hope that EVERYONE not just feminists would be upset at taking away human rights from humans....right? RIGHT?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 10:36 PM
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Men just don't do this. Men who have options absolutely do. I've seen hot men be really mean to girls who they thought were "beneath them." It's a shitty-person thing not a gendered thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 10:12 PM
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I think it's immoral if it's racist, abusive, or illegal.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 10:10 PM
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So they're liars. Wow.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 02:21 PM
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So a man that's saying, "I like to chase women," is bragging about...what?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 07:25 AM
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Men that say they like chasing women are lying or they aren't lying?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 02:56 AM
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So men that say that are lying?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 01:50 AM
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You're being willfully obtuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 01:19 AM
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No, Amber Heard was lying. I'm not lying. You're putting words into my mouth. There are good looking men that like to chase. There are good looking men that don't like to chase. I never claimed otherwise. In general, the men that enjoy the chase tend to be the ones with lots of options. I'm making these statements based on the good looking men I know in real life that talk about enjoying the chase. I've heard men literally say "I like girls that play hard to get" "I lost interest as soon as she …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 01:11 AM
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And I didn't write anything about good looking men losing interest in women they don't chase.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 12:35 AM
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Didn't say it anywhere. Sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 12:16 AM
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You think good looking men lose interest in women that they don't chase I didn't say that. Where did I say those words?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/22 12:11 AM
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Good looking men don't all fit the definition of "high value men," sir. Not only that, I didn't say all good looking men like to chase women....because they don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 11:53 PM
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Men that have options and "high value males" aren't the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 11:29 PM
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Didn't use those terms. Don't agree with them. Would never write that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 11:19 PM
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I didn't say there aren't men that don't chase tho....
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 11:05 PM
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I didn't say anything about women's expectations about anything
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 10:57 PM
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I mean I literally know men who like to chase women and lose interest in women that give in too easily. I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 10:28 PM
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No I mean good looking men who have lots of great women to choose from, in my experience, are the men that like the chase.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 09:42 PM
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I think guys with lots of options enjoy the chase. I think guys with few options do not.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 07:33 PM
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And if life is bad for women there, for men it is even worse. I don't think you know what you're talking about. Either you're being willfully obtuse or you're trolling.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 05:53 PM
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There's places where women are literally men's property and not allowed outside by themselves, where marital abuse and rape don't exist as crimes and girls are forced to marry by age 14. Marital rape isn't a crime in 32 countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 05:39 PM
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All over the world includes africa, asia, and the mid east, and in many countries in those areas women are seen as inferior to men or flat out have fewer/no rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 05:32 PM
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Exactly. A lot of narcissistic people can have emotional empathy but not cognitive empathy. Having both is important.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 03:39 AM
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Well you need both to be empathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 02:53 AM
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People don't always think about these businesses in those terms, especially younger people. If you know, great!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 01:35 AM
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Women irl have all sorts of butts but the media didn't show women with larger butts until now. Celebrities have gotten surgery to get bigger butts. The women with naturally large butts have always existed. Most women still don't have them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 09:19 PM
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I mean for someone in their 30's, 30 partners means 2/3 partners a year.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 09:05 PM
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Empathy is simply comprehension, nothing more. You are confusing empathy with kindness. Thats not correct. Your link quite literally defines empathy as "experiencing a willingness to help, feeling distress in response to someone else's pain, sharing an emotional experience." Empathy makes you care about other people and their feelings. That being said, I didn't claim empathetic physically do or don't do something. I'm claiming they are able to care about other people. 99% of the time that leads …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 08:08 PM
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Neither appearance nor personality. Physical disability.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 07:50 PM
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He's cute, he cleans, he's good in bed...he's gonna want a girl to travel with, go out to eat, go hiking, have kids. That ain't me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 07:30 PM
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None. I don't see myself as repulsive. Just the man you described ain't gonna go for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 07:16 PM
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Nah, I'm in my 20's. Having a disability at a young age is a massive reality check.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 07:08 PM
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Money, please. Idk who would be blackmailing this poor man to be with me, but there's no way he'd be with me by his own volition.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 06:54 PM
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To everyone, including themselves. If women were doing it "for men" as op suggests, they certainly wouldn't be wearing maroon lipstick or dying their hair blue or wearing sparkly pink eyeshadow. It's fun to feel different. We know (most) men like natural makeup, short sundresses, and yoga pants.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 06:30 PM
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That's what low empathy is. People with low empathy understand x thing is considered wrong, they just don't care that they're hurting other people. They either justify it in their head, "Well it's ok that I cheat because he/she did x thing to me so they deserve it," or simply don't care. Sociopaths also know right from wrong too, they just have no empathy at all, so they don't/can't care. Empathy is a spectrum. If a sociopath/psycopath is at 0, a narcissist is like a 4-5, while a normal empathet…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 06:19 PM
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It's mostly impressionable, young woman trying to look cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 06:15 PM
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Well yeah
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 05:57 PM
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Women's body standards are not changing for men. Women know men's preferences don't change with trends.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 05:56 PM
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If the cheater is willing to genuinely work on themselves and change.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 05:40 PM
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I think they meant low empathy, not no empathy. Selfish unawareness is the same thing as low empathy/self awareness. Narcissists aren't sociopaths, but have low empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 05:39 PM
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These are fashion trends. No woman is doing it for men. We know men don't care. Men's fashion has also changed. Frosted tips and baggy jeans haven't been in for a while. You just haven't paid attention to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 05:36 PM
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As a woman that has also had sex with women...there's a middle ground to what both of ya'll are saying. Women generally like the same things with slight variation. Experience does make one better at pleasing the ladies. Experience brings good communication skills and confidence which also goes a long way.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 06:49 AM
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How do you know you like to be kicked in the balls while she shoves a cucumber up your butt until she kicks you in the balls while shoving a cucumber up your butt?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 06:45 AM
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obstacle than an aid in having good personal relationships. I totally agree. They have to make sacrifices to make it work, but it's possible to find a good work-life balance.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 05:33 AM
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Read the article. It's psychology.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 03:09 AM
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It was.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 03:09 AM
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I'm not sure what you mean
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 02:27 AM
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How naive do you have to be not to understand that everybody bases their value on external validation? They don't. You don't understand what external validation means. External validation isn't the same thing as following laws or social norms. It does not mean you don't care about what others thing. It means you don't derive your self worth from the approval of others. External validation is getting your sense of self worth from others. You're not understanding the term. https://psychcentral.com…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 02:25 AM
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I couldn't do many of the things I used to do. This is true for anyone that gets seriously sick.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 02:21 AM
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If you read the article, the mistake was corrected and the study re-published.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 02:15 AM
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Anecdotal, but my boyfriend broke up with me when I got chronically ill because I got chronically ill. It def happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 02:15 AM
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Stable and secure with themselves is often BASED ON the fact that they're attractive at the moment. That's d basing one's value on external validation. Being secure with oneself means you get validation from within. It means that the way others view you, as good or bad, doesn't impact the way you view yourself. This is how why insecure beautiful humans exist, and confident unattractive people exist. Self esteem and confidence have to come from within for the person to be secure with themselves. …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/22 12:38 AM
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People that are stable and secure with themselves are fine. People that value themselves based on looks will have a breakdown when the looks go away, regardless of gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 11:29 PM
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The point is these apps don't exist with the goal of helping people date. They exist with the goal of having just enough success stories to keep as many people paying for the apps, and as many eyeballs on the screen as possible. They make money as long as people are on the apps and paying for the apps. There's an inherent conflict of interest there.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 07:14 PM
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Nope. But I know both CEOs and doctors who spend plenty of time with their families. My step dad was a doctor, and spent plenty of time around. One of my freinds is a thoracic surgeon that has two kids that they go camping with all the time. She's plenty involved with them. My boss has two kids and always talks about all the stuff the do with them, brings them to work on Friday half-days and do stuff afterwords. My own physician had a baby last year. Sure, there are people that work 80 hours a w…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 05:52 PM
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It sounds like your idea of doctors and ceos come from movies and not real people.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 05:28 PM
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And yet women and men that are doctors and CEO's have normal, successful, relationships all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 05:13 PM
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She's easily as pretty as Bella Hadid with the same hair clothes and makeup
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 04:54 PM
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OLD is a business meant to make money. It's not meant to help people date or find a relationship or hookup. It's meant to make money, first and foremost. The goal is to make as many men as possible feel like they have to pay for the app, and keep eyeballs on the screen for the adverts. That's why it sucks so much. An app actually focused on helping people date would look very different and would probably fail.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 04:40 PM
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Would you say that about a male CEO? Or do they magically have time to date women?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 04:37 PM
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what is?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 03:51 PM
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Women also have lack of empathy, emotional immaturity, and lack of accountability, aggression and violence. Lack of self awareness is a problem for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 06:03 AM
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Speed dating doesn't really happen any more. I doubt there are any solid stats to be gathered from that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/22 01:57 AM
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Speaking for myself, this is not true. I've been pleasantly surprised by men I would not have rated/didn't rate as attractive on OLD and went on to be very attracted to them/date them. Maybe women aren't as visual as men, or maybe men suck at taking flattering photos, idk, but I'm not a rarity with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/22 09:02 PM
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No, that means they find pictures of men online unattractive. That doesn't mean they find their irl husbands unattractive. Attraction has more components than how photogenic someone is. If there's evidence that women find their husbands unattractive I'll be swayed, but this ain't it. All my female friends find their partners attractive, and none would have probably rated them very highly online.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/22 08:46 PM
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When women settle its often someone they aren't even attracted to. You have proof of that?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/22 08:40 PM
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I feel like there's this myth that men don't settle, like they see their average wives and girlfriends as perfect tens and are blind to the young, beautiful women in the world. Most of us are never going to be someone's ideal. Most men and women settle. And those that don't age, and settle for their aging partner as time goes by. You can love a person that isn't perfect. You can love a person that isn't the sexiest person you've ever seen.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/22 08:03 PM
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We have yet to find an economic system that doesn't turn humans into slaves.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/22 07:46 PM
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Curious how some feminist Bernie loving college aged women are so infatuated with socialism when it comes to healthcare, college, food, entertainment, etc, but when it comes to sex and intimacy they turn into ruthless capitalists. A big part of modern socialist beliefs is that humans should be treated less as a product not more. No one is entitled to another human's love or affection. We can empathize with incels and validate their feelings and their struggles. We can offer them a path to make p…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/22 06:00 PM
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I don't think it's about people coupling up and dating, as much as it is about men and women having empathy for one another and validating each other's struggles. It's also about building stronger communities of men and women. That goes a long long way. Men won't be as lonely, angry, and dejected. I wanna see society move towards a place where being single doesn't mean being alone. Where single men can get hugged by their friends and have supportive and understanding people around them, men and …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/22 05:38 AM
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Blue collar men have options. My regular contractors aren’t hot, wealthy or educated, and they have gfs and wives and families Sure, some of these older men have options. This is more of an issue for young men, and the percentage of lonely, angry, young men is growing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/22 12:21 AM
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I agree self-centered people will stay that way, but a lot women that are open minded are just unaware. I was until I joined this community, and it's really made me realize the reality of how hard dating is for men, and how lonely being a man can be. Getting women to understand, means getting the mothers, sisters, school friends of these men to understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/22 10:05 PM
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I agree, and I think having strong platonic female friendships in addition to male friends would help immensely.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/22 10:03 PM
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Women tend to be more emotionally open, but they are not better communicators or healthier communicators. Women yell, call their partner names, fail to admit fault, have empathy issues, are narcissistic, etc. at similar rates to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/22 09:55 PM
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The issue with this is...a lot of women are not emotionally available or good communicators either. Yet they aren't dealing with these issues. Let's not pretend it's easy to be a good communicator, or easy to be emotionally available. It's very hard work and requires a few years of therapy. It's unfair that one group has to work harder for something that another group doesn't even appreciate: being valued by the opposite sex. Women may not get attention from the man they want, but getting no att…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/22 09:51 PM
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I think something that can help is educating women about the struggles of dating for men. So many women wrongly believe men have it easy and refuse to acknowledge male issues. It doesn't help that a lot of male spaces tend to be misogynistic. I think this will help dating culture be less cruel, and can help build empathy. I also think encouraging male friendships, male bonding, and getting rid of the stigma surrounding men telling other men they love/care about them and the stigma of hugging and…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/22 09:47 PM
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Boyfriend level - Get's no sex, but gets emotionality and great conversation. Idk about that
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/22 06:54 PM
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Who thinks Jason Mamoa is average?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/22 06:52 PM
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Sometimes if a woman likes a man she wants to wait to have sex to avoid getting hurt. If she doesn't like him and just wants sex, then there's no need to worry about getting hurt/dumped/ghosted etc and no reason to wait. On top of that we know that sex releases a lot of bonding hormones, and if you're with someone you like, you can get attached to fast/before you get to know him.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/22 04:36 PM
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I went to a majority women's college. The men there were crazy picky. No one was in a relationship, and even hooking up with a guy was hard since they had options. I don't think men are naturally less selective than women, I think it's a matter of opportunity. Given the opportunity, both genders are very picky.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/22 04:31 PM
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I'm not playing any games so idk what you're talking about. If people are misinterpreting what you're saying you gotta communicate more clearly.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/22 03:38 PM
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Its all about intent
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/22 11:19 AM
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Lol @ "get rid of trash foods" You mean how Michelle Obama tried to, gently say that Childhood Obesity is a problem and kids should eat better and move more? Like that? Maybe you forgot how she got crucified for that. Or how about when they tried to ban "super sized" sodas in NYC? Yeah "the people" sure liked that. Yes. The people suck. But banning soda and telling people to move more isn't gonna work. You have to make laws that go against corporations, including limiting ingredients in food. Pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/22 01:21 AM
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They absolutely fucking do, but people generally aren't clueless about them. You'd be surprised. Self awareness isn't all that common.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/22 01:04 AM
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I think a pump and dump means the man had the intent of dumping her after sex before he had sex with her. If he didn't go into sex with the intent of dumping her, it's not a pump and dump.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/22 01:03 AM
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I knew a couple girls that did the free meal thing in college. I dont think its common, but it happens. But I totally agree sex is way riskier.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/22 12:59 AM
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That's my point. I was responding to someone that treated women as a monolith. "Women" and "men" aren't contradicting themselves online as much as they're all different people with different views.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/22 08:52 PM
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Evidence? https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28322880/ https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/01/190129124814.htm https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-do-we-crave-sweets-when-were-stressed/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4990460/ People want to dismiss all elements of a person's choice to put food in their mouth, but hamster away any number of reasons people are choosing to do this. How about this - life in the US is comfortable, everybody is told they are wonderful and …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/22 08:50 PM
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Women don't sit and compare themselves to men either. It's just natural to want the best for both. Women and men may have sightly different priorities on average, but when faced with a choice of someone better than them or someone like them, they're gonna pick someone better than them (prettier or younger, or more accomplished or richer or funnier or more charming or more popular, etc) and call it "attraction" that they "can't help." Women do what you just described. Compare the available men to…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/22 07:29 PM
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Shaming doesn't work. Ignoring it doesn't work. Celebrating it doesn't work. It shouldn't be about the individual. It shouldn't be about stressed out moms and dads that work 12 hour days having the willpower to not get a quick burst of energy from a crappy meal when they're already struggling to pay rent and childcare. People are fat because life is hard and expensive and work is stressful and food is made to be addictive. Pinning this on individuals won't work. It just won't. Plenty of fat peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/22 07:24 PM
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Maybe you don't consciously. Women aren't sitting there thinking I want a man more accomplished than me. It's just when they meet an accomplished man they find it attractive. Just like when a man that is mediocre looking is going to be most attracted to the most attractive women. And men absolutely do turn down perfectly lovely women because they think they can get someone better looking. We're all, men and women, attracted to the best possible person we can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/22 07:02 PM
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Romance doesn't require sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/22 06:29 PM
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You: "Cheating is for sex. No other reason."
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/22 06:04 PM
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I don't know about you personally, but most men I know and men online want the prettiest woman they can get, bonus points if she's out of his league. Men aren't usually like yeah, my dream woman is in my league looks wise. I wanna date a 6, just like me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/22 06:03 PM
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They push it b/c 23 year olds are hot and easier to manipulate. Unfortunately, 23 year olds grow up. How many people in the TRP/manosphere have been married for 5+ years?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/22 05:51 PM
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Men try to fine a woman better looking than they are. That still counts.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/22 05:35 PM
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Cheating for men is simply sex. No other reason at all. If this were true men would cheat with prostitutes and one night stands, not start romantic relationships, fall in love, and/or knowingly have kids with their mistresses.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/22 05:33 PM
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I hope you find happiness and find what works for you. I will say, true empathy is a one way street, and it feels really good to get to a point where it doesn't matter how other people treat you, because you treat you well, and you treat others well because that's who you wanna be and no other reason. I got a couple years of therapy and that helped me a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/22 03:35 PM
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Hard to differentiate between hating others and yourself. I think hating strangers/groups of people/entire genders, is never about them and always about one's relationship with themselves. One can't have empathy for other people if one doesn't have empathy for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/22 03:11 PM
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As much as being on this sub makes me hate y'all I seem to still have an obnoxious moralizing conscience. If this sub is making you actually hate women irl perhaps it's a good time for a break.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/22 02:48 PM
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Let's say a guy got into a relationship with his ex after 3 dates. It turned out badly and he decides he wants to wait longer next time. Let's say I start dating this guy. We've been dating a while, and he won't commit till more time has passed. Eventually he does...but then I found out he committed to his ex after three dates and made me wait three months. Is what he did wrong? Should I be hurt? Should we break up?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/22 12:45 PM
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Well its shorter or longer depending on how often we see each other. Some people can go on a date a few times a week, some people can go on two dates a month.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/22 12:42 PM
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Men on this sub will say things like they want low n count women. They will also say they want women to sleep with them right away to demonstrate that they are attracted to them. Then they say they pump and dump women and women should be fine with getting pumped and dumped all the time. So to answer what is it.....men and women aren't a monolith. We need to stop acting like an entire gender all wants/does the same thing. People need to vet to find someone they're compatible with and that's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/22 06:34 AM
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I mean a normal waiting period for me is like a month, regardless of how much I like the guy. What is waiting too long?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/22 06:31 AM
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The current world is the way it is because of the past world. Men made men expandable, and everyone's kept it that way. But, to be fair, I don't think it would have been much different if women were in charge.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/22 01:29 AM
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And women. Being a human is miserable for a lot of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 11:22 PM
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Well the person you responded to said men built the world, as in past tense, and your response was that women can vote, but it's only been 100-200 years of that (depending on country).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 11:21 PM
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Ideally, yeah, everyone would have a lot of willpower and discipline. Realistically, not gonna happen. It isn't simple to be disciplined about food when people are stressed and struggling and the brain is craving that quick energy. Being mean about it certainly won't help. The more effective way to battle it is on a societal level.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 09:30 PM
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Humans are nothing more than bodies and the chemical/electrical patterns within it. Being valued for your body is being valued for what/who you are. When people say they want to be valued for who they are the implication is they want to be valued for non-physical attributes. But I agree with you. I don't see anything wrong with two consenting adults entering a transactional relationship. But relationships that aren't transactional are much more rewarding. But I get that not everyone is able to h…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 08:47 PM
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It's a fine arrangement if you're ok with a transactional relationship and your needs not being met. And since you're ok with suppressing your emotions, then this really may be a great option for you. Now, no one wants a miserable sob as a trophy husband, it's hard work being "on" all the time. And, you'd have to look amazing, and can never let yourself go. That being said, if you looked amazing enough to be a trophy husband, and had that kind of emotional control, you could probably find a much…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 08:40 PM
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Women couldn't vote for most of history.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 07:19 PM
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I would very much like to be sexualized and objectified. No you wouldn't. You want women to find you attractive and want to sleep with you. That's not the same thing as being objectified. Being objectified is being treated like an object. Your feelings, wants, needs, preferences don't matter, including in the bedroom. You're used as decoration and for whatever kind of sex your partner wants. No orgasm? Too bad, your wife already got off. In life what you want and need doesn't matter. Having a ba…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 07:15 PM
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Because you get old. And if your husband wasn't rich enough or you had a solid prenup you could end up poor, single, and old.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 07:13 PM
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It's more about corporations paying teams of scientists to make food as addictive as possible, and your average job being sedentary. Our brains and bodies are programmed to want fast energy and to preserve energy whenever possible. People are less the issue than the direction society has taken overall. Countries where obesity is lower are ones where people walk places, and where fast/heavily processed food isn't a regular part of the diet due to either cost or lack of availability or local cultu…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 06:54 PM
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Lying and gaslighting aren't the same thing. You are misusing the term. Lying about sexual history is just lying. That being said, the story OP posted has none of that. At no point is "berating, or lying" mentioned. Hiding a romantic past is just lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 04:39 AM
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Not telling someone your sexual history is not gaslighting. Gaslighting is manipulating someone into questioning themselves/twisting their sense of reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 02:47 AM
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"Our sex life is also not very adventurous at her request as she’s told me she’s really only in to vanilla sex" OP asked for kinky sex, gf said no, and gf didn't say why He doesn't say he asked for it. He says she requested only vanilla sex and he complied with that request. If my girl friend asked me to get pegged, and I said no, but I have been pegged before and enjoyed it, then I would understand her being upset at finding that out later I've done it, and as a BF shouldn't do something that w…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 11:45 PM
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That works. That's why people do or don't do most things. People that follow a moral code ultimately do it...because they want to. Or they are forced to. But in cases where someone's not forced to do a thing, they do it because for whatever reason they want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 10:03 PM
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OP didn't say he asked for kinky sex. Nor did OP say he asked why she doesn't want kinky sex. If someone asks a man, "hey, do you want to be pegged" according to your logic if he just says "no" he's lying by omission. He has to explain exactly why he doesn't want to be pegged, or he's a liar. Those aren't the rules most people live by, but you're welcome to define lying how you see fit within your relationships and deal with the consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 10:01 PM
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You just made up this whole scenario. OP never said this conversation occurred. OP made it seem like no conversation occurred and OP assumed. No one is obligated to open up about anything. Especially since he didn't ask. He should have asked. He's not obligated to open up about his past either. Maybe he had a past cheating on all his exes. We don't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 08:25 PM
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That's not correct. OP didn't say she lied, OP said he assumed.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 07:09 PM
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That isn't the floor for average women. I don't know anyone who will only date men that are six feet tall making six figures.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 06:46 PM
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Women are taken seriously more often than men. And women do seek support. How many women's abuse shelters are out there vs men's? How many women publicly speak out about abuse compared to men?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 06:34 PM
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That's not true. Someone can have the principal of if I choose to be monogamous with someone I won't cheat on them. That's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 06:33 PM
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Abuse isn't always physical. Men are taken much less seriously when it comes to being victims. Women often don't inflict as much injury. And of course, the majority of people in jail are not there for domestic abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 05:05 PM
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Sex and love don't need to be together, and casual sex is ok, but that doesn't mean there is no reason for monogamy. The only reason anyone needs for justifying monogamy...is wanting monogamy. There are no "rules." People can and do change what they want all the time. Nothing wrong with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 04:40 PM
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I will die on the hill that there are just as many abusive women as men in the world. The woman that raised me was basically an Amber Heard, and I watched her abuse, lie and manipulate people for my entire life.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 04:03 PM
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She was officially diagnosed by Dr. Curry
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 03:57 PM
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I'm arguing people need to accept that they may just not be that sexually desirable. If the woman slept with other men they may have just been much more desirable. We can all accept that we may not be that desirable, and not get upset for people acting accordingly. And certainly not connect sexual desirability and value as a human, as OP seems to have done.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 03:48 PM
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I believe everyone should be treated with respect. I don't believe having sex means someone doesn't value themselves. You're making a lot of assumptions about these imaginary people and what they value. That being said, no one has to do anything. Either of them are welcome to end the relationship for any reason they want. He has to wait because she says no. If he doesn't like that he can move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 09:35 AM
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You're welcome to make whatever choices you want
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 09:31 AM
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It's neither gender's fault. Were all meant to live in hunter gatherer tribes and have as much sex and as many children as possible. Marriage wasn't something created by women either.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 06:15 AM
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No, I literally said there's nothing wrong with him not liking what she's doing, and he can end the relationship if he isn't happy. She can do whatever she wants, and he can leave if he doesn't like it. That goes both ways. If she wants to introduce her bf to her exes then she can go for it. If her bf doesn't like that he can say so/leave the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 05:57 AM
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Like I said, not everyone is going to elicit passion from the opposite sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 05:54 AM
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No one is saying otherwise
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 05:25 AM
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We're talking about the floor/bare minimum.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 05:02 AM
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I agree that people should make each other feel special within a relationship. Women want it just as much as men. I just don't think that always should entail sleeping with your future partner right away as OP suggests. Some people aren't going to illicit lust. That doesn't mean that their partner can't get to know them, fall in love, and make them feel special within a committed relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 03:20 AM
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If she was sober enough and regrets it I don't think it's fair to call that rape, but a court may disagree, which is why it's best to be safe rather than sorry and not have sex with drunk people.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 03:15 AM
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They aren't being serious or literal.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 12:40 AM
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Where do you hear that?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 12:04 AM
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That's FDS and not your average woman's standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 12:04 AM
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Legally, yes, if you're sober and they are blackout drunk/too drunk to consent. Don't have sex with very drunk people if you're sober is a good rule to keep everyone safe. Irl, it's a gray area and I wouldn't call it rape unless the man/woman was aware that the drunk in question was blackout drunk. Then it's rape. Consent can only be given by adults that are sober, or sober enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/22 12:01 AM
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I don't expect to be the most desirable person my significant other has slept with. I accept that I'm less desirable than other people. I think more people should have this discussion with themselves. Some of us are just not sexy enough to be madly lusted over...and that's ok. I can be valued as a person even if I'm not super desirable. Sexual desirability is not really a metric for whether someone is valued for the person that they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 11:56 PM
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Went to a majority women college. All the women I knew, myself included, dated men outside of the university because the men would not commit. At parties there would be two/three girls pursuing each guy. The only people I know that were in relationships while I was at that school were the super religious kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 09:34 PM
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Also, stealing your friends wife was considered incredibly Chivalrous by way of courtly love. In that case chivarly is horrible.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 06:50 PM
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Lancelot stole his best friend's wife. Idk how chivalrous that is. He was also ridiculously hot. That being said, King Arthur is fantasy. IRL men have been brutally murdering each other in wars always. The chivalric man never existed.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 06:35 PM
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So a strong bone structure usually means things like a strong jaw and high cheekbones. It's implied that it's cosmetic. But low risk of osteoporosis is certainly a bonus.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 06:09 PM
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I mean if she's doing that to him that sucks for him. Hope he finds out and ends it with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 05:23 PM
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I don't know why she changed her behavior with the man she was with. But she can do that. And he can not like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 01:16 PM
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That's fine. You're allowed to have whatever standards you want to have.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 01:15 PM
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Idk someone would have to ask her.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 12:40 PM
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Some pasts are forgivable. Axe murdering, not so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 12:38 PM
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​ You are telling me every girl just decides that she doesn't like "hoeing" when she she reaches late 20s? This is too coincidental. I didn't say that. That comment thread had a lot of reasonable takes with lots of upvotes. Show one that says anything except sHe ChAnGeD Well she literally changed. That was a fact presented by the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 12:36 PM
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People that grew up in constant turmoil , trauma, adversity are likely going to need a lot of healing and mental health work. Nothing wrong with that. But having trauma in one's life doesn't automatically make one resilient or psychologically strong. In fact, usually the opposite is true. Life isn't a movie. Trauma usually messes people up.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 12:32 PM
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That's not true. I can reliably say I like 5'7'' brunettes with brown eyes and strong bone structures. I can say I like for them to have a career and a college degree. I can say I like them to have good social skills, and a calm demeanor. I could say more, but you get the idea
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 07:52 AM
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To get a great woman you have to have a combination of status, financial success, social savvy, and physical appearance See I agree with that, and I'm a woman. And I have told a version of that to a men who were genuinely asking. This is just common sense advice for a lot of men and women. For both genders, it's first be attractive, second have good social skills, and third have your shit together. Finances matter for men more that women, of course. So I hope you reconsider the under no circumst…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 07:14 AM
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The caveat being that I whole-heartedly believe that under no circumstances should men be taking dating advice from women. So if I told you the best way to get a woman is being attractive you wouldn't believe me?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 06:58 AM
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I mean people change. She's allowed to change what she likes. These two just needed to talk about why she's changed and how each of them feels about it. And if he's not happy he can always end the relationship. There's nothing wrong with what she's doing. There's nothing wrong with him not liking what she's doing. That being said, in the rest of your post you're lumping all women together. Not all women give bad advice, not all women write serial killers or become single mothers, or have differe…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 06:47 AM
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Lots of people have zero luck. All you can do is find a way to be happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 03:23 AM
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Marriage doesn't take someone off the market for good. What takes someone off the market is that person deciding to be off the market, not a legal contract. Marriage doesn't stop people from cheating, and allows for open relationships. On the flip side, marriage is a legal contract, and breaking that contract has a lot of consequences. Just because people aren't married doesn't mean anyone is strung along. People can be in a loving, long-term, committed relationship without making a legal contra…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 12:55 AM
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It's not other people or choices. It's bad luck. We all have to make the best of what we've got.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 10:44 PM
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People love controversy. People like him for the same reason they like Trump, Tucker Carlson, and Alex Jones. People want to feel angry and outraged at something. People want to feel like they belong to something. People like to blame the other "side" for why they're unhappy, and these influencers/personalities/politicians/etc are a pathway for people to get together and be against something together.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 10:38 PM
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I think the point of that passage is that the little person has self worth despite his height, that he has things to offer beyond height,, not that he's being lied to by society.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 05:53 PM
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If it's platonic, A. If we have to have sex, B. We can find some common interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 12:11 AM
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I feel like OLD has made people think it's ok to be rude, ghost, and be extremely judgmental. I think women are more satisfied than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 12:08 AM
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Ah, the duality of PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 04:08 PM
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I was a nanny for a while in college. When complimented the little boy I nannied would be told "you're so strong" about 50% of the time, and "you're so handsome," the other 50% of the time. The girl I nannied would get told "you're so pretty" about 80% of the time, and "what a pretty dress" the rest of the time. People treat boys and girls very differently from a very young age.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 04:05 PM
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I’ve watched women say some really cringeworthy stuff so idk what an internet stranger that is making a huge deal vaguely about her right to talk about this kinda stuff is about. I'm just saying I disagree that talking about sex is wrong or disgusting. Everyone has the right to talk about it if they want to. I am very progressive about pretty much everything. But as a teenager I was bullied a lot about my penis so it’s a sensitive spot for me.To think of a woman I’m with not caring about that an…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 02:21 AM
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I don't date conservative men. Our values aren't compatible, and that's fine, but I certainly don't talk trash about them. You're making a lot of assumptions about the way I would talk about sex or people I date. Talking about sex doesn't mean being an asshole. I don't say "truly disgusting" stuff about the men I date. I do talk about sex and everything that goes with sex. Just because someone hurt my feelings doesn't mean they were in the wrong. That goes both ways. Context matters. That being …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 01:53 AM
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This isn't about causes or gender. I'm fine with men sharing whatever they want to share. If my boyfriend shares intimate details about my genitals, that's fine. I don't speak for all women and never claimed to. I think it's normal for some people, and I'd be happy if it became more normal. I don't think consent needs to be asked to complain to friends about one's sex life. This already happens in society. And I'm fine with all genders doing it. I am not "women." I'm a person with my own views. …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 01:23 AM
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I personally am ok with him sharing whatever he wants to share, including intimate details.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 01:19 AM
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This is a conversation about what people are or are not ok discussing with each other. There's no argument to make other than, people are ok with it, so it's ok for those people. Their statement may not be a "false equivalence" but it doesn't make any sense as a response to me saying it's ok to talk about sex. If people think it's ok to talk about sex then then it's ok to talk about sex, therefore if people think it's ok to rape its ok to rape. If that's not a false equivalence, I don't know wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/22 12:47 AM
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I wouldn't share his nudes either...but I'd be fine with him talking about our sex life with friends. I'm fine with him telling his friends I look good naked. I wouldn't date someone that was very conservative, or didn't talk about sex. If he finds me talking to my friends about our sex life a violation, we won't be together. I'm pretty open about being ok with talking about sex. Then again, I'm pretty realistic. Most people complain about their partners in a way their partners would't like. I t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 11:36 PM
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I think being able to complain is healthy and normal. I don't mean drag them through the mud, but complain about problems. That includes sexual problems, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 11:33 PM
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Is it? No one is sexually attracted to goodness, men included. No one is like wow, I thought that women was hideous, but then I found out she's a good person and now I'm into her...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 11:32 PM
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That's because women aren't sexually attracted to goodness.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 11:13 PM
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To an extent. People complain about their partners, and that's pretty accepted in our culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 11:12 PM
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How?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 10:47 PM
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George Takei was a child that was raped. That woman should be in jail, regardless of how he feels about it. Women are physically weaker, but not mentally weaker. More women are graduating college every year than men, more and more women are graduating as doctors and lawyers. Significantly more men take interest in STEM/Chess, even at the hobby level. It has nothing to do with women being naturally less capable of any of these things. https://phys.org/news/2009-01-men-higher-women-chess-biologica…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 10:42 PM
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No one looks up to the Kardashians for relationships. They're entertaining and trashy and that's it. Everyone is aware of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 10:35 PM
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If you're only being a good person to get a response out of women...you're not actually a good person.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 10:32 PM
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I think it's normal. You're welcome to not talk about it. I don't see any harm in it....unlike your child rape example which causes a lot of harm.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 10:25 PM
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Right. So if you're not bashing your partner I don't see any problem with talking about sex. I don't see why anyone should feel bad about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 10:23 PM
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I wouldn't and I'm not. Someone else might have a problem with it. I'm fine with it. I've been around men that talk about women's genitals. It's totally fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 09:59 PM
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False equivalence. Talking about sex and child rape is not even in the same ballpark.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 09:58 PM
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It's not. Taking about sex doesn't mean bashing on your partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 09:57 PM
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Depends on where you're from. In some circles we see sex as a normal part of life that everyone does. Nothing disgusting, weird, or shameful in talking about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 07:29 PM
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Sure people can be wrong, and are wrong all the time, especially if they're going off intuition. But there are people that can identify certain behaviors as problematic. I can give an anecdotal example. My friend met a guy. I was hanging out with them and he talked about how women that dressed "slutty" were asking to get raped. She didn't see it as a problem. He was a "good guy." I obviously did see a problem. Two years later they break up because he's toxic, abusive, and controlling, no surpris…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 04:54 PM
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Who is this woman that always picks shitty guys that we're talking about? There are lots of men and women that repeatedly pick horrible partners due to their own trauma. The only way it'll get better for them is if they look inward and work through why they're attracted to toxic/abusive people. There's no way to hold all bad people accountable. They're always going to exist. They aren't going to listen to people telling they are bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 04:35 PM
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Eh, I don't think so. They're seeing red flags based on the things he says and does.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 04:30 PM
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That's their choice. I don't see a problem with women choosing to be single. I wouldn't want to settle for a guy I didn't really like either.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 08:11 PM
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I can only speak for myself here, but when men didn't put in effort I ended those relationships very quickly. My logic has always been if you're not gonna put effort in in the beginning, you're not gonna put effort in later in the relationship either. I don't play the hard to get game, and I don't like men that do it either.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 05:14 PM
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Were comparing people without makeup, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 03:32 PM
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women can remove their makeup
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 03:22 PM
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​ Would you prefer to be pumped and dumped by the better looking men or find a man who loves "you"? I will say, of the men I dated, the worst looking ones went for "looks" the most. The guys that have liked me for "me" weren't the bad looking men that I dated. Good looking guys have more pretty ladies that want to date them, so if one of them gets in a relationship with you, you know your personality had something to do with it. For a woman with a healthy self esteem they don't need make up. I d…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 03:21 PM
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It sucks cause without the makeup guys don't give you the same attention. But with the makeup you know it's all fake. But I totally agree with you about women being better looking than men. Hair and makeup is magic.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 08:20 AM
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Then why not just say couch potatoes? Many people that "want" a homebody don't necessarily want a couch potato.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 07:57 AM
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Agree with that. I can go from cave goblin to cute human woman in 30 minutes. You gotta compare no makeup women to no makeup men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 07:42 AM
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Yeah she has to get to to know him to be willing to fuck him while the attractive guy gets it fast and early. Maybe so, but that seems to make total sense. If the regular guy isn't beautiful, why would she be interested if not for his personality? It doesn't take a long time to see beauty, it takes a long time to get to know someone's personality. The whole time she’s mid anyway which is the real kicker, it’s not like some super hot chick turning you down it’s an average one that’s gassed up on …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 07:00 AM
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But we're talking about celebrities not real people.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 06:58 AM
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Proof?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 06:41 AM
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Alright. I guess they age faster. Bring on the botox.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 06:41 AM
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The graph doesn't say that. It has facial aging rates in proc/ distance/year, and frankly I don't know what that means. Why would the study say women and men age at nearly the same rate if women are aging almost twice as fast? Either you or the scientists are wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 06:31 AM
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I read the study and at no point does it say 30-40% faster. If it is, great. But I need some evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 06:29 AM
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That chart appears to confirm that we age about the same till 50. It looks like menopause is the big cause of aging, which makes total sense since that's when women can't have kids any more.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 05:59 AM
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If you think men are getting it done anywhere near as much as women you’re delusional. Didn't say they are. But the fact that they're getting work means they aren't good to use to determine who ages better naturally, which is what this is about. And using a movie role as example? Cmon you know nobody was implying actors in a movie aren’t all wearing makeup to some extent. It's in movies, interviews, red carpets, and photoshoots. You're discounting women for botox/makeup/surgery, you gotta discou…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 05:58 AM
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Your study says we all age the same until we're 50 years old.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 05:38 AM
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Famous men also wear makeup and get cosmetic surgery. Every man you see on a red carpet is wearing makeup. They wear makeup that looks natural, but they wear it. They're covered in makeup in movies. They have professionals do their hair. They get hair surgery. Photos of male celebrities are photoshopped too. Famous people are all getting things done, men, women, everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 05:35 AM
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Name me 20 famous women who've aged better than their partners , let alone better than their male peers. Seriously, go ahead and search for names. I'll wait. I feel like if someone does this you'll just be like nah, they're all ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 05:34 AM
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It doesn't because you called all homebodies couch potatoes. You didn't make a post about couch potatoes. You lumped a bunch of different types of people together and called them boring for not going to bars.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 04:57 AM
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Again, that doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 02:40 AM
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Less attractive dude has to jump through hoops for a girl that’s likely close to his level anyway Well if he doesn't have his beauty to offer it's logical for her to get to know him. Why would she try and lock him down fast and early?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/22 08:14 PM
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Yeah, that's very true. It's honest, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/22 06:39 PM
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Not having sex with someone doesn't mean they aren't being treated well. That being said, plenty of women and men are manipulative. But waiting to have sex is because you don't want to have sex yet is pretty honest. If these women had sex with men they were not attracted to in order to lock it down, that would be fake.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/22 06:27 PM
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I don't know if they are aware or not but they are happier with less attractive men since he has to compensate and try harder to keep her. If they're being fake nice to compensate, and not because they are genuinely nice people, then they deserve being made to wait even more. Eventually all people stop trying and compensating and start being themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/22 05:44 PM
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She's not making him wait because he has less options. It's unlikely that's a thought that crossed her mind. She's making him wait because she doesn't want to get hurt. There's a myth on PPD that less attractive men can't hurt a woman and it simply isn't true. Women are very well aware that being less attractive doesn't mean the person is more nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/22 05:26 PM
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The vast majority of people in the comments are calling her the asshole
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/22 05:07 PM
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Well that makes sense. If she has a history of sleeping with men hoping for a relationship, and getting dumped as a result why wouldn't she then try to lock it down first?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/22 05:05 PM
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He's doesn't seem interested in getting to know you as a person, and doesn't care to let you get to know him as a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/22 04:39 PM
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That's up to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/22 12:54 PM
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Unfortunately internet stuff does matter. People that form sexist beliefs online go out and vote, become managers, start businesses, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/22 06:40 AM
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She doesn't want to get hurt or be used by you. She doesn't want to have sex with a man that's actively having sex with two other women while dating her. She wants to feel special and loved. This is normal. You can always break up if things don't work out. Vetting for 6 months is much more unusual than waiting for commitment to have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/22 02:38 AM
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Basically this
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/22 12:27 AM
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All of your articles talk about how everyone settles and how everyone wants to be with the most attractive person possible. When they get into the "why" they're all blaming the personality of the attractive men for not being social enough, being too nervous, etc. Which is exactly what you hear on PPD. I fail to see how any of this is a problem with modern dating...or a problem at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 08:46 PM
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That doesn't matter. You did't ask if people wanted a couch potato, you asked if people want a homebody, then assumed all homebodys are couch potatoes. To you, staying home, cooking, and reading is boring. To me standing in a hot, loud room full of drunk strangers is boring. To each their own. There's nothing bad about a slow, simple life. Nothing bad in being interested in simple things.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 07:20 PM
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Homebody doesn't mean couch potato.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 05:55 PM
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What you’re saying is that everyone wants to fuck their friends. Nope. But if you did want to fuck your friend, doesn't mean you have to act on that or end the friendship. No, they don’t. That’s demented. I have two male friends, and I’ve never, ever, not even once entertained the thought of sleeping with either of them (and vice versa). I don’t think about fucking my female friends either. Why? Because that’s not friendship, it’s being a beta orbiter - befriending a woman in the pathetic hope s…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 08:26 AM
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Thats a good read, but greenpeace isn't really scientists. I have heard about the lumber and nuclear issues and how they're super misrepresented.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 04:42 AM
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I mean I won't stop you. You do what you want and deal with the consequences. That's life.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 04:07 AM
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its not about the environment anymore What is it about?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 04:07 AM
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Well duh. No one should be pressured to be friends with someone they don't wanna be friends with...this isn't 5th grade.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 03:54 AM
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More socially acceptable. I know lots of guys would love it!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 03:33 AM
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Gay men are even MORE forward with their male friends sexually That may be, but that doesn't mean they aren't friends with these friends
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 03:31 AM
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You and the people who peddle men and women have to be friends. Didn't say anyone has to be friends with anyone. Women aren't entitled to our friendship nor do we owe you our friendship. We are focused on finding mates we have all the friends we need. So we are allowed to crush on our friends or acquaintances. If we get rejected it's our responsibility to take that rejection but we shouldn't supress our feelings for our friend just so we can maintain the idea women and men can be friends. What t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 03:30 AM
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It did not. Luckily it's unrelated and was brand new.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 03:26 AM
1

Who's saying that?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 02:09 AM
2

Get therapy. Take the time to find an amazing therapist, and do the hard work. It'll be the best gift you could have given yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 01:56 AM
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Scientists aren't psychics. No one knows whether climate refugees will happen, how the world will act, or when sea levels will rise. Scientists do know sea levels will eventually rise, as the ice will melt, that global warming will effect water supply and agriculture in certain regions. Some will have higher crop yields, some will face famine. How humans react to climate change isn't a prediction scientists can make. But you certainly can't either. All we know is that disaster will strike many a…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 12:53 AM
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non-science people scientists literally are screaming that it isn't fine but ok
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 12:02 AM
1

I think everyone fantasizes about marrying someone better than them. Irl usually people end up with their equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/22 12:01 AM
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But do you see what I'm getting at?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 10:22 PM
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Can gay men have male friends? Can lesbians have female friends? Can bisexual people have friends?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 07:04 PM
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I used to work in men's shoes at Macy's. I'd never been approached/given as many numbers before or since, including bars and parties. I like that it happens less, but I can imagine a lot of women will miss it. I hope it becomes more acceptable for women to approach men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/22 12:55 AM
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Sure, but boundaries and healthy communication isn't just a red pill thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 06:04 PM
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I would say that more women need to admit to the redpill view of the world for insight Boundaries and standing up for oneself isn't exclusive to red pill. These are just healthy ways of communicating.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 05:41 PM
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It's not true that men don't emotionally abuse women. Or other men. People in both genders emotionally abuse other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 05:39 PM
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Bud, are you really that bad faith. I gave 1 account of men making fun of fat men. And numerous of women making fun of fat women. Women largely are still the perpetuators of supposed “fat phobia”. I mean this is all anecdotal, but you didn't describe one account. You said "I've seen men make far far far more fun of fat men..." That sounds like a lot. Also let’s be real. No one ever gives af about men when talking about fat phobia. These people at large are talking about fat women. Not to mention…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 07:36 AM
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You've just said your male friends and you make fun of fat men. It's still "fat phobia" when it applies to men—if you're defining fat phobia as making fun of fat people. A lot of the time when people speak about fat phobia it encompasses more than just being made fun of.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 07:07 AM
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Theres no point in doing sex work if you can make the same at a regular job for the same effort
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 06:30 AM
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Ok so let's ignore studies and go with anecdotes. Do you have any studies that state the contrary? The study doesn't contradict that careers matter to men. It just says personality is more important, and I don't disagree. A woman's career is low on the list of things that are attractive to men. You won't find men in general longing to be with a woman because of her career. Not saying that men do not want women with something going for them, but they don't place the same importance on it as women…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 12:38 AM
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Do you have anything to back that up? Or when you say OF success do you mean work 12 hour days doing porn on OF for 40k a year with no health insurance?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 11:03 PM
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What men say they want is not always the same as what happens in real life. Just how women say they want certain things in men may not be with men that have those qualities irl. Additionally, this study shows personality is most important, which I'd agree with, it doesn't prove a woman's job isn't important at all. Also this study has men valuing intelligence and not academic record. These things usually go hand in hand. I can't read the first article due to paywall.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 10:28 PM
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That's what a lot of young girls think. And yet six months into it they're leaving OF with $600 in their pocket and going back to the office. It's oversaturated with beautiful young women. People only the see successful sex workers because the ones that fail leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 10:24 PM
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If it was that easy everyone on there would be making lots of money.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 09:59 PM
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It's a myth that women can just hop on OF and make lots of money. It's hyper competitive and very oversaturated.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 08:47 PM
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I stand by they care, but I'd agree that women care significantly more about men's achievements.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 06:51 AM
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Just because his interest went up and their interest went down doesn't mean he is searched for more. Interest over time does not equal number of people that googled his name. If you scroll down on your link you get percentage of searches. Your guy is waaaay below Kim K and Biden. While interest for him is going up, the number of people searching for him is much lower than Kim K and Biden. Their interest is going down, but they are still getting searched much more.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 06:26 AM
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Okay but he's currently more searched than the president and Kim Kardashian. You got any proof? Because your graph does not show this. So the argument that he's not popular or known outside ppd is a bit absurd I'm sure he is. I've never heard of him, but I think he appeals to a specific group.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 06:20 AM
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This isn't true at all. Men absolutely care. Not all, and you may be part of the group that doesn't, which is fine. That being said, people tend to marry/date others with similar levels of education and similar socioeconomic status. I don't disagree that men look for the qualities you listed...but highly educated career women aren't less likely to have any of those than women working low wage jobs or unemployed women. There are men in this thread commenting about how being a doctor or lawyer mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 06:00 AM
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That's not what your graph shows. It shows interest in him has gone up, not that he is the most searched person. Alec Baldwin is most searched inn 2022.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 05:55 AM
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dragons of chaos I love that to describe women! I will forever use this term.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 10:34 PM
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Women are born psychopaths. Don't you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 09:58 PM
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I mean everyone does that. This isn't exclusive to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 09:00 PM
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A preference isn't a fetish. And I did say most women like tall men. I'm pointing out that a woman on PPD commenting that she likes short men isn't necessarily lying like you are implying. While the average woman prefers a tall man, the minority of women that do not have a heigh preference are much more likely to comment on those sorts of posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 08:37 PM
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By tomorrow we’ll be hearing PPD women earnestly profess that “height doesn’t matter! Just be a little taller than me! So I feel this way, and go out of my way to not date tall men. I'm short and I've never liked dating people with a massive height difference and I have dated predominantly short men. That being said....most women like tall men. My 4'11'' friend loved guys over 6' in college. But PPD women don't represent the average women. Plus, the women that like tall men are probably just not…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 08:15 PM
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Women don’t have empathy none.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 07:37 PM
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then you will regularly put yourself in dangerous situations that you often cannot overcome. Like what?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 04:58 PM
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Sexy people are always gonna be sexualized. They were sexualized in full length gowns and pantsuits, and they are sexualized in yoga pants and a tank top.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 04:09 PM
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The fashion industry tells women and men how to dress. Always has.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 04:06 PM
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I think another perspective is that there is nothing wrong or anti-feminist about being sexy. Moreover...showing the human body doesn't have to be always seen as so sexual and risque. It's just our bodies. I don't wear a lot in the summer. It's hot. That's the only reason. If someone doesn't wear a lot because it's hot and they wanna be sexy, great! We're sexual beings. Nothing anti-feminist about sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 03:59 PM
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Making pasta from scratch. Or bread. Ideally both.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 10:43 PM
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I mean is that the "influencers" are free to present their arguments and people are free to decide if that way of life/thinking is for them. This is why it's good for people to hear different sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 09:55 PM
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I didn't say it has zero to do with socializing. You're confusing me with a different user.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 07:23 PM
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Oh then yeah, I completely agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 06:09 PM
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If you control for socialization it isn't. There isn't a culture where men choose to be single and not have sex and women are out there picking up men. Women have lower sex drives on average, in part due to testosterone. There's nothing bad about that though!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 05:27 PM
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With at least one commenter since I last checked actually saying verbatim she considers all men potential rapist until they prove otherwise. I didn't read the comments, but I agree with you that's messed up. And I agree with you that women demonize men online...and men demonize women online too. Some people are angry and bitter and need someone to hate. Sounds like the sub needs better mods if they are allowing comments like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 12:40 PM
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I checked out that Schrodinger's Rapist post. It's about how it's not ok that men that talk about hurting women online, and that one shouldn't assume an anonymous man talking about hurting women is or isn't a rapist or that it's just innocent "talk". It's an unfortunate title, but it's not calling all men evil as a baseline. It's saying don't assume people that say horrible things about women online are treating women well irl. It's not a post written with care...but I'd say it's pretty harmless…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 12:15 PM
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I don't think Twoxchromosomes has had a post where they said "Ugly men are rapist creeps that deserve to die." They're pretty mellow over there.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 03:38 AM
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When you have self love you don't need men/women to give you social proof/validation. Self love is being able to validate yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 03:37 AM
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I will say, having a significant other can certainly bring a lot to someone's life...but it won't make someone love themselves. Validation and self love has to come from within. A significant other can certainly help their partner go to therapy and do the work to learn to love themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 03:29 AM
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FDS women do not represent women. To me they sound extremely bitter and ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 03:28 AM
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Depends on the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 08:20 PM
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That's the spirit!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 08:11 PM
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The amount of cleaning before kids vs after kids is very different. I hope men are willing to do work because they want to do it, and not for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 07:07 PM
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The husband would at least share in that work. OP's husband is so bad at helping with the housework she's considering another girlfriend, so doubt it lol. You make a good argument for staying single tho. Or just not having too many kids all at once. But yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 06:40 PM
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And finding a girlfriend to care for your kids, be a housekeeper, and have only threesomes will not require any work? Do you just pick them off the girlfriend tree?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 06:22 PM
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Men with high sex drives pursue women for sex and have sex at every opportunity that makes itself available. Food addicts are able to kick the habit because losing weight for them is more important than eating. They prioritize food less than a fat person who is not trying to lose weight. They don't necessarily prioritize food less. They can prioritize it the same. They just prioritize their health more. Same with sex. Two people can have an equally high sex drive, and one of them just prioritize…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 06:21 PM
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I mean we're all influence by one force or another. A baby born in an tribal community will never want to be a lawyer. It's up to each person to determine what works for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 06:18 PM
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PPD women exhibit certain very consistent traits and being anti-porn is absolutely one of those. Well, the way that changes is women speaking out about being fine with porn :)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 05:15 PM
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Mary Poppins is just as much a kid's fantasy as a mom's fantasy
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 05:14 PM
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Remember, women aren't a monolith. Just like men, they don't all agree. I'm not saying what I said to suit an argument in the moment. I don't think and have never said porn is evil. Women do watch porn, and I think watching porn is perfectly healthy (as long as it's legal, no one is getting hurt or trafficked in the videos, etc.) A lot of PPD women are FDS, and I personally do not agree with what FDS preaches.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 05:05 PM
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A good nanny is not more work. (Speaking as a former nanny who was good at her job). You teach a nanny the ropes and they've got you. Another girlfriend for your husband...she's gonna be your equal. Not your employee. She's gonna say no. She might change her mind about helping you with childcare...or decide not to help at all. She might start telling you what to do. You might fight. Your husband might start to like her better. You think having three-ways for ever is sustainable? Girl they're gon…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 05:00 PM
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Women don’t need porn because they can fuck real Chad dicks at will. A lot of women watch porn
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 04:54 PM
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Self control is a skill. Men with high sex drives that can't get women aren't all going around and sexually assaulting women. People with food addictions are able to lose weight. Smokers are able to quit smoking. Drug addicts quit. High libido doesn't mean your brain gets shut off. It just means someone that wants to have sex often. Whether or not someone acts on their urges depends on their discipline and self control.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 04:53 PM
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That men should pay for dates. There is no logical reason for this unless the woman is super traditional.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 04:44 PM
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Ha, you wear makeup for yourself not like other women She didn't say that. She said "like most other women."
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 04:42 PM
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As a woman I agree as well, but as others have said, the loudest voices are not the most reasonable ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 04:41 PM
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A better fantasy for you is just having a live-in nanny.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 04:24 PM
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Incorrect. Do we have exploitation in the world? Certainly. Is outsourcing to a cheap country exploitation? Completely not. Absolutely not. Cheap countries' citizens are falling over themselves to get a $4 per day salary in Manilla or Bangkok. It's way better than working in the rice paddies. And they're selling their labor at the market price. Right. In a world where exploitation didn't exist there wouldn't be poor countries and rich countries. Borders are how we create poor people desperate to…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 01:36 AM
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It's not just optimism. It's science. Our brains are very plastic and very capable of remapping neural connection. Either way, I wish you good luck on whatever path you're on.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 01:28 AM
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You're not. I'm speaking from personal experience. It took a lot of hard work, but I got better and I can proudly say I broke the cycle.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 11:30 PM
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If you're interested, This is a great little book that talks about emotionally stunted families, what causes people to be emotionally stunted, and how it effects their children.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 10:54 PM
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Well to prevent it the causes matter very much because prevention will have to start with helping victims at a young age, and with destigmatizing talking about pedophilia to mental health providers.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 10:22 PM
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Emotionally healthy people will want other emotionally healthy people. Emotionally stunted people are usually the ones that want emotionless robots. If someone can't handle their own emotions, they are definitely not going to be able to handle other people's emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 10:09 PM
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People that say that don't know what they're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 09:52 PM
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As long as western corporations rely on exploitative labor practices, we have exploitation. As long as we have the ridiculous income inequality of today, we have exploitation. Just because one is not living in poverty does not mean they aren't exploited. Working 12 hours in a factory for 6 days a week is exploitation even if your salary affords you a one bedroom apartment and food. Similarly, living off the land, hunting, and not using modern technology, the way many tribal people live isn't "po…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 09:51 PM
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The cause matters because that's how you prevent child abuse and future perpetrators. Not dealing with the cause literally means allowing children to get abused and to grow up to abuse others.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 09:45 PM
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Feminism isn't about being like men. It's about equal legal rights and having choice. That's all. Men and women should both have choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 08:28 PM
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It's not possible for a lot of places. Our global economy and world order is built on exploitation. For one place to thrive, another place has to suffer.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 08:19 PM
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Friend. It's not a competition. Bot men and women in different places have hardship. Both. Being forced into a drug cartel is terrible. Being stolen from your family and forcefully married to a drug cartel member is terrible. There are countries where marital rape and wife abuse are legal. There are countries where men are currently forced to die in senseless wars. There are places where women are killed for being raped. There are places where rape is so common women wear protective underwear wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 08:16 PM
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I don't think people pretend like they care, I think they actually think that they care. It's more likely that they just think they understand the other side when they don't. People like to think of themselves as caring, empathetic, and altruistic, even when they aren't in reality. But they will wholeheartedly believe that they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 06:47 PM
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And from 25, the expectations get more rigid. More rigid, and I feel like people go into two directions: either they become realistic and empathetic to the fact that no one is perfect, or they want perfection and refuse to settle for less.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 06:43 AM
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Good. I think I learned a lot from listening to the guys on here. I will say, the way some of the men talk can be so aggressive/angry it's too off-putting to be taken seriously. It takes a lot to look past that. Too be fair though, same with the women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 06:31 AM
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Having to initiate everything and pay for everything. It's a lot of pressure, and men deal with a ton of rejection, which is hard. I think the solution has be starting a conversation about dating to help men and women build empathy for each other's struggles.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 05:58 AM
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When you pass age 25 people become a lot more reasonable. The 18-25 group isn't quite done growing up.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 05:53 AM
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No. See, if we get married he'll be too scared that when he divorces me I'll take 50% and never let him see the kids. It's all part of the scam.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 11:55 PM
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Well I said it's both, and 99 to 1 is a made up stat. You can't say it's more culture than poverty without any proof. Poverty in the US isn't just about income. It creates barriers to healthcare, opportunity, and education, and the longer a family has been in poverty the worse the outcome. You sincerely believe that an uneducated single mother's kid is going to have the same outcome if sent to public school vs private? A college educated teacher living in poverty is statistically going to have v…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 10:57 PM
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There are no statistics of asian single mothers. You'd have to prove that rich asian single mothers and poor asian single mothers both have sons that are not violent. That would prove its 100% culture. If poor asian single mother's sons in NY have worse outcomes than rich asian single mother's sons in NY your claim is disproved. You're also not taking into account a lot of factors, like the education level/quality of education of the immigrants. How many of the asian immigrants were living in po…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 10:22 PM
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No, we're talking about how poverty effects single mothers and their children/do single mothers create violent men or is it poverty. That is the original comment we are responding to. China has a loooot of issues, including forcing women to get IUD's. China also has about the same amount of inequality than the US (slightly less). They've also had a one child policy, issues with femicide that has led to men vastly outnumbering women. You're comparing apples and oranges, comparing the US and China…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 08:59 PM
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This isn't about single parents though.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 07:13 PM
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It's both culture and wealth. Being a rich single parent is very different than being a poor single parent and yields very different results.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 06:53 PM
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I'm 5'2''. I can't tell the difference between 5'8'' and 6'2''. It's all just tall to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 06:51 PM
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Nah. Every time I travel I take a tour from a local who speaks English. I do speak other languages, which helps.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 10:46 AM
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How can one see Elon's snow white trapezoidal torso and not wanna fuck him?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 06:11 AM
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One could travel to experience other cultures and learn about the history of other places firsthand.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/22 06:06 AM
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You have now :)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 10:56 PM
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You're misusing the term victim blaming. Victim blaming is blaming a victim for the actions/choices of a perpetrator. Having a victim take responsibility for the choices they made to put themselves into a bad situation isn't victim blaming. It's not x's fault y raped them, but it is x's fault they went to a bad neighborhood, got too drunk, and fell asleep naked in an alleyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 10:28 PM
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Old college roommate. Average looking lady. Used sex to deal with depression. Was raped multiple times as a result. We ended up having to have an "intervention" for her and she finally stopped.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 10:23 PM
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In real life, no one wants a partner with phobias except for controlling people. It might be endearing at the beginning, but gets annoying. I don't disagree that many men want to be protectors, but that doesn't mean they want a partner that's afraid of insects and rodents. It hardly makes one feel like a protector to have to do the annoying chore of removing insects from the house. Also bravery extends beyond roaches and snakes. Is someone brave enough to quit their job? Be honest? Challenge the…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 09:05 PM
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Trad ladies are all about love. That being said, there are def women that would be down for your type of arrangement.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 07:13 AM
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I mean I don't know him. He might be shy, he might not like you, he might want you to make a move. You're not gonna know until he tells you. You could make a move too if you like him so much, ask him out for a drink.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 02:44 AM
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This is why it's important to look at men (and women) as individuals, not monoliths. Some guys are super shy and don't wanna accidentally do something the girl doesn't like.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 02:38 AM
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Hugh Jackman met his wife when they were both hot young actors. She's the mother of his kids and I'm sure they just...love each other. Jason Momoa had a childhood crush on Lisa which is why he married her. Like a 90's kid marrying Jennifer Aniston. They are now separated. Eva Mendez is super hot so idk what that's about. I'm sure there was no physical attraction issues when they met. They now have young kids together. Gabrielle Union is also hot. They started dating in 09 back when they were bot…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 10:06 PM
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Men also want comfort and support.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 09:59 PM
2

I wonder if theres any correlation between social skills and intelligence. Do more intelligent people lack social skills/ have lower EQ?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 09:56 PM
4

This is the only advice you need
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 09:54 PM
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Women have a strong tendency to get attached to guys who are not good for them - and to be blind to the reasons why certain guys aren’t good for them, at least until it’s too late. Same with men
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 05:15 PM
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Teachers get paid a middle class salary for a relatively comfortable job that around half the population can do. Truck drivers and construction workers get paid very well. That is irrelevant to what I said. But what a silly way of thinking. It's irrelevant to our debate and anyway one gets paid in accordance with value, supply and demand. It is relevant. You're saying people that get paid less should get fewer benefits.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 01:15 PM
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We are talking about gender differences so let me rephrase it. If I earn 30k and a you make 30k why are you allowed to take more out the system? Because I live longer? And if I don't you take more out. But let me respond to what you wrote, do you believe those people should be allowed to take more out of the system? Yeah. Their labor is keeping the country running. Rich people don't need benefits, they have money. A lot of high paying jobs aren't essential.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 01:13 PM
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So poor people should get smaller pensions. Teachers, truck drivers, and construction workers should get less than bankers, ceos, and stock brokers?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 11:38 AM
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So poor people/essential workers get fewer benefits, and rich people get more benefits. Nurses, truck drivers, teachers, construction workers get less out of the system than ceo's, investment bankers, stock brokers.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 11:36 AM
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I don't know how you would solve it, but don't you think the system should reward those who contribute more? No. Not everyone can or should work 16 hour days. If anything labor laws should do more to prevent worker exploitation.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 08:02 AM
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Are you gonna trust that PPD women represent the average woman? Women absolutely see attractive men in public and think about having sex with them. I guarantee you one night stands aren't happening because the stranger at the bar has an amazing personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 07:36 AM
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​ Low wage workers like that should just be paid more, but we are talking about the gender imbalance so like the pension thing men should retire earlier than women. Because they live shorter lives? That seems reasonable for certain job sectors. ​ Why is that? Childcare? No, as if you look at those without kids men still work more. So people that choose to work more should get more benefits?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 07:31 AM
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Women do too.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 07:29 AM
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Because women pick jobs that pay less So low wage workers (that do essential work that keep the country running) should get fewer benefits? Should benefits be higher for the rich and lower for the poor? Because women work less hours than men. Why is that? Childcare?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 07:01 AM
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The rant about abortion is...something
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 06:35 AM
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What they DONT know is that a man can notice a fat ass and just move on 5 seconds later without sparing a second thought As a woman I can say I also notice attractive people and move on 5 seconds later without a second thought. If a woman claims she doesn't notice attractive people she's probably lying.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 02:23 AM
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I'm not mad, I think this is a fun debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 12:26 AM
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Sorry, as a woman I get to choose the man I wanna marry. In my system you'd really wanna marry me, which is great because when I'm ready for marriage I make my choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 12:22 AM
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Why do they pay less tax?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 11:31 PM
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Why are women's wages lower?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 11:31 PM
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I'm just saying what I'd like to happen. It has nothing to do with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 11:31 PM
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Ok, how? What does he do or say?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 11:30 PM
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Pensions redistribute tax money from men to women. I'm assuming this is in England. Do men not receive pensions?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 08:48 PM
1

You have any statistics that control for billionaires?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 08:47 PM
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appeal it has for me. I simply listed the appeal that taking away men's rights has to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 08:47 PM
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The person I was replying to was saying they can see red flags by just looking at a guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:41 PM
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I actually think it would be better to take away men's rights instead. Now, hear me out here. Men wouldn't have rights to participate in society until they are married, which would mean they put much more effort into relationships. Dating for women would be easier since men, even attractive men, would be more relationship minded and eager to escape their family home, especially if they live in an abuse one. They still have the ability to choose a partner of course! And this helps all men because…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:36 PM
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What women's issues is tax money being spent on? What men's issues need more spending?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:21 PM
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There's not a pro male law needed. Everyone gets aid from the government when it is needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 05:04 PM
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Desirability extends beyond the physical.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 04:55 PM
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They're *not* desirable by design. They are desirable. The lovable goofball is desirable. That's like the plot of Hitch or any of the sitcoms. The joke is they aren't physically good looking, but desirable anyways because they're so funny and lovable and such good guys which is how they landed/kept hot wives.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 04:34 PM
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I almost died typing that out You should see a doctor
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 04:32 PM
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Idk what powers you have to see red flags so easily, but most of us can't.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 04:31 PM
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No just end the programs. It's beneficial to the whole economy to have these programs. Apart from that, I'd like disabled people to stay alive, unemployed people to not starve, and people with medical issues to be able to get care.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 04:30 PM
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Really? Picking a restaurant, date and time is sooooooo much effort? Secretaries must have the hardest job in the world then Yeah, it is hard. The fact that you compare it to a paying job is telling. There are high expectations. It's not just picking a place and date. It's initiating all interactions. And you're expected to pay and "woo" the lady. And after putting forth all of that effort to still get rejected over and over is hard for any human. And yes, lack of interest is demoralizing, so is…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 04:28 PM
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Disagree. They're meant to be lovable and funny and that's why the hot women are with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 04:23 PM
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Abusive men are rarely abusive from the start. They are usually very charming and confident. And on top of that...people are messed up. Men and women get into abusive relationships often come from families where there was emotional and/or physical abuse and associate that behavior with love. There are lots of abusive women out there and men that keep going back.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 04:06 PM
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To be fair, it is hard to always be expected to initiate, pay, and plan, and deal with high levels of rejection. If you ever make a man account on a dating app and talk to women, the amount of rejection is pretty damaging.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 03:54 PM
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I enjoyed reading this, but my first through is for this to be true women have to be the "goods"...yet women are also "purchasing" men. So it's like if you needed to buy bread, but some of the bread also wanted to be bought by you, but then some spoiled moldy bread in the corner is more expensive than the good wheat bread, and the white bread only wants to be eaten by men in red shirts...and then there are a few giant bread people trying to buy the men to eat them. And then some of the bread is …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 03:52 PM
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Not the man being desirable. Disagree. The whole point was that these funny guys are so great these women like them for who they are
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 03:09 PM
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Anyone that lives past their life expectancy should get a tax hike?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 03:07 PM
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More than half of those involve super rich/powerful guys that I'm not gonna dive into because come the fuck on the second they lose that money they lose the girl. That's not the point. The point is obese men represented in media as desirable partners. Also you can't say x is gonna happen if these fictional characters lose money...it's all fictional. Some of those are cartoons. None of them are realistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 07:39 AM
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haha It wouldn't be PPD if people didn't get angry.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 07:22 AM
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“women are oppressed so here’s free stuff from daddy.gov” I'd love a link to some of those programs.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 07:16 AM
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I know what you mean about male dominated fields. Women definitely face discrimination, and men are not welcoming to women when it comes to hobbies. On the flip side, being a woman can help get a job in STEM and Tech, and things are getting much better every year as more women enter those fields. I wouldn't say any of this means women have it worse or better in the US. Each gender will always have problems and perfect equality in every area will never happen. Some things men deal with are the dr…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 07:12 AM
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I would say both men and women struggle with being taken seriously or being seen as an equal by people in positions of power: managers, police, doctors, professors, etc. And most people are biased towards their own gender, race, ethnicity, cultural group, etc. In the US men and women both have issues, but I don't think women are second class citizens the way they used to be. I think we're pretty close to equal, just each sex has problems, and each sex doesn't like to acknowledge the problems of …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 06:50 AM
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King of Queens, Hitch, Superbad, Wolf of Wall Street, most 2000's sitcom dads, Knocked up, Modern Family, Sopranos, Family, Guy, Jack Black anything, Simpsons, Fresh Prince, idk how many you'd like.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 03:09 AM
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Being called brave for showing a fat body isn't a compliment. RP men would tell anyone to lose weight. I brought up celebrities because you brought up celebrities. The way non-celebrities are treated is very different.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 03:07 AM
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I can provide a long list of movies and tv shows with obese men in leading roles dating attractive ladies. It hasn't been until the last 5-10 years that fat women have appeared in the media in any significant way. I don't think obese men have it better than obese women...but it's pretty bad for both sexes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/22 01:03 AM
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Squats.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 07:24 PM
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I think both men and women need to go into a relationship realizing it could end/not work out. That being said, holding back might prevent you two from bonding. The focus should be on finding a woman that is also a good person, and wanting to form a genuine connection, not use men. So take a lot of time to really get to know the person you are dating until you feel comfortable and confident in the relationship. Vulnerability is great, and if someone is turned off by vulnerability that's their pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 07:21 PM
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Thanks for the link!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 06:34 PM
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From what I've seen most women that are single are single by choice, not because they can't get a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 04:02 PM
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I will say, being nice and showing emotions/being emotionally available and two different things. Someone can be both nice and needy/insecure/emotional, or nice and confident, secure, and have strong emotional control. And a criminal can be nice. A writer of "better the world" books can be mean. I'd be curious to know what type of women you're dealing with.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 03:31 PM
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Are you saying women who want a relationship can't get one because men won't commit?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 03:25 PM
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Haha well I commend you for channeling your rage into something positive.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 07:47 AM
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I think women do tend to date slightly older
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 07:46 AM
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Can you give an example?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 07:46 AM
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Population decline was always bound to happen. We have the means to get through it and live in a less populated world.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 07:45 AM
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It's a negative for men that you don't sleep with. It's a negative for men that can't get a girlfriend that you're not marrying them out of necessity. It's a negative for men that a woman can leave them at any time and choose to be alone over being with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 06:40 AM
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Being nice is not a happiness recipe for everyone. It's not. It didn't used to be for me either but I got a lot of therapy. I think niceness has to come from empathy to feel good, but when it does, it pretty universally feels good. I also wouldn't say it makes one happy necessarily, it's just makes life feel more relaxed when other people's shittyness doesn't bother you any more. I'll be nice because I want to be. Because being angry or an asshole feels worse—its a lot of negative emotion. If ot…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 06:38 AM
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There are large margins of error even for very credible, high quality research. Polling and surveys can't be 100% accurate. There are a lot of people that say no to surveys, and surveys like this require a lot of resources. I doubt their sample size is more than say, 10k. Unfortunately I couldn't find their sample size when I clicked the link, but I would be curious to know.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 06:20 AM
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Then everyone wins.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 06:17 AM
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I would say if you're being nice expecting gratefulness you're gonna end up disappointed. A lot of people are shitty. That's just life. Being nice to shitty people is about yourself not about them. Also being nice doesn't put you on a moral high ground because you don't have to think you're better than anyone else for being nice. You just do it because it's the kind of person you wanna be, and being that person feels good. Having empathy feels good. That's it. If people are ungrateful that's on …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 06:17 AM
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The survey was about relationships. Women dating older men isn't mental gymnastics.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 06:06 AM
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This is a survey not data of the whole US population. So if they have a sample size of 5000 people it's unlikely everyone in that sample that is in a relationship is dating someone that was also surveyed. I'm sure men with multiple secret partners are a factor, but I think the survey is just imperfect.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 06:00 AM
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Again why should i respect the rich kid and treat the person as an equal? The reason to be a nice person is for yourself. It's so you feel good about yourself and so you like yourself. If you expect that acting nice/kind/treating women with respect is a way to get people (women) to act a certain way/do something for you, you're gonna end up bitter and angry. All you can control is yourself, and it's up to you to decide what kind of person you wanna be. If you're cool with being an asshole, then …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 05:56 AM
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Seems like women are making a choice to be single. It's more of a negative for men than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 05:49 AM
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Women date older men more often that older women date younger men. Those 29 year old women are likely with 30+ year old men, which are not included in the male age group.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 05:48 AM
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Sure
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 12:57 AM
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If you want sex, a guy wants sex, you don't have feelings for each other, both have sex and then the man dips, you can feel hurt, sure, but he used you as much as you used him. I agree with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 11:06 PM
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I was mostly addressing that height isn't as much of a deal breaker as people make it out to be in real life. But yes, attractiveness is the single biggest factor when it comes to attraction. If one is bad looking, charm and confidence can help, but it's going to be very very hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 11:05 PM
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If the man didn't lie to the woman, then I agree that blaming men is totally wrong. Unfortunately both men and women do lie to each other to get what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 09:16 PM
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Yeah I mean it's important to teach men and women the emotional consequences of sex, especially ONS. It's especially bad for women since sex leads the body to release bonding hormones, and most young women don't know that. Some women can tolerate ONS better than others. That being said, as long as one takes responsibility for one's choices and doesn't blame the other party for how they feel, it's not victimizing oneself to be hurt. No one is perfect, and making mistakes, doing stupid shit and de…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 09:06 PM
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Sure, but my point is it's not 100% looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 08:12 PM
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People on this sub grossly underestimate how much confidence, charm, and a cute face can get you. Height is more of a thing on dating apps than real life. Had a friend that only wanted a 6' tall guy on the apps. Met her current bf irl. He's 5'6'' and bald, but charming as hell. As soon as I talked to him I saw what she saw in him.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 07:56 PM
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The issue with this is it's inauthentic. Can't be fake forever. If you became the person that doesn't care so much...that's a different story.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 07:51 PM
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This is very fun!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 07:40 PM
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I agree with that, I just don't agree that feeling hurt means victimizing oneself.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 06:14 PM
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I mean I'd absolutely respond back if I got that text, but women different. Ghosting is socially acceptable, which I think is really awful. If a guy is brave enough to approach me and he's nice and cute I'm not gonna ghost him, but I also think I'm an outlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 05:27 PM
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Language matters. It's gonna have a major impact on how your reader interprets what you are saying. One word can get totally different reactions. Why do women withhold sex from men they want a LTR with? implies a woman is using sex as a tool to manipulate the man. It implies that the sex is something a woman gives a man, not leaving much room for the fact that she might not want to have it. Why do women wait to have sex with men they want a LTR with? does not imply manipulation, but a choice a w…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 04:59 PM
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To be fair, no one owes anyone their friendship. I think vetting friends is just as important as vetting romantic partners to avoid men or women using you, or just to avoid men and women that are bad friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 04:50 PM
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One doesn't have to see themselves as a victim to feel hurt. And yes, the guy isn't an asshole for not wanting to see her again (unless he was lying), but that doesn't mean it doesn't hurt. It's normal for anyone to want to protect themselves from getting hurt.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 04:48 PM
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It happens a couple times a year, and I follow through and go on a date if he's not rude/mean over text.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 04:45 PM
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It still turns out with a negative so why bother. So you like yourself as a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 01:11 AM
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most likely better off not treating them nice it never works out in your favor. Niceness isn't currency to get a partner. It's not a primary factor in attraction. But...being nice will make one feel good about themselves and who they are as a person. It helps in raising empathetic kids, and having happier long term relationships. Just because a character trait doesn't get one hookups doesn't mean it isn't worth having. I'll also say niceness isn't doing things for people. Saying "no" and having …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 12:32 AM
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Well everyone gets something out of everything. That's part of having a brain. But when people/I use the saying "they are nice deep down" it means the niceness isn't merely a manipulation tool to get x result. It's something that person does because it feels good to be nice and no other reason. They'll be nice even if they know it won't get the other person to do something for them. They'll be nice to themselves. They'll be nice to someone that isn't nice to them. When people say "genuine nicene…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/22 12:03 AM
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Wouldn't that assume that some people are just purely nice deep down? People who want nothing in return? There are people that are nice deep down. They do get something in return—feeling good about themselves. It really boils down to empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 11:38 PM
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Not at all. There are people that are nice up front, and turn out to be assholes. There are people that are nice up front, and are actually nice humans deep down. I think in dating, niceness, whether genuine or not, is going to play a very small role compared to attractiveness and confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 11:20 PM
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Usually when people say "nice guy/girl" that is code for people that are not actually nice. They act nice to try and get what they want, but will be angry/mean if they don't get what they want. They also will overestimate their niceness, or conflate acts of desperation for "being nice." They may feel they are owed something if they are nice. When people refer kindness, they are talking about the type of person that is nice/kind because that is who they are. They aren't doing it to "get" somethin…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 11:14 PM
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I am interested! Thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 06:03 PM
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Thanks for the studies, you've changed my mind on the subject! Always cool to learn something new.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 05:50 PM
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I would want to know if they controlled for what the infants were exposed to before the study. 3 months old is enough to already be exposed to a lot. People treat boys and girls very differently from day one, including what media they show, and what toys are present in a nursery, and how they are spoken too. I'd also be interested in knowing which hormones cause these differences.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 05:11 PM
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What are the human findings? You have a link to a human study?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 04:25 PM
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Boys like dolls just as much as girls. The smart people at toy companies just call them action figures.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 05:26 AM
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Okay. We're done here. You literally just said something that borderline proves my point and invalidates your whole reason for arguing with me: Women need things geared towards them to develop an interest and/or pick them up easier. As in they think differently and have different enticement mechanisms. As in we're done here. People play games that are marketed towards their gender. Men do things marketed to them/or that culture/society thinks they should do. Same for women. I didn't prove your p…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 05:25 AM
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It's the nature versus nurture argument all the way down. My whole thing on that is this...if we can admit as a society that nature explains the physical side, why can't we even tolerate the idea that nature plays a role in the mental side?! Because the mental and physical are very different. Physical has to do with bones, muscles and hormones, mental has to do with the brain. It's a very complex organ. ​ Scientific realists all understand and agree men are stronger than women (on average, if I …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 03:07 AM
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That makes a lot more sense. I keep seeing this study referenced, yet can't find anything online, and the studies/evidence you cite make a lot more sense. The fact that parents have preferences for the sex of a kid before it's even born just shows how they are prepared to treat each sex differently from day one.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 02:12 AM
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True, but not in the same way as churchgoing, volunteerism, nursing, and a whole host of other community activities and people-oriented pursuits that women outnumber men in. Nursing isn't an activity, its a job. Women barely dominate church going, its 60/40. Idk how guys getting together to watch sports isn't community, or playing games together. It is. It's the same thing. Guys love cars because it's been passed down father to son as a male hobby, and it's male dominated. It's much harder for o…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/22 02:09 AM
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Dresses are things not people. Suits are in the same category. Modern girls are also playing games and sports. In fact, the male/female sports gap is closing every year. Community is a huge part of sports, vehicles, and gaming. You're disproving your own point with your examples. A lot of male/female/ hobbies aren't accessible to the other gender b/c of culture not some biological aversion women/men have to things like fashion or sports. Edit: I'd love a link to that baby study.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 10:36 PM
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Boys still gravitate towards trucks and suits, girls still gravitate towards babies, dresses, and the like. That's because trucks are marketed towards boys and dresses towards girls. If men were wearing dresses and women were pictured with trucks, boys would wanna wear dresses and girls would want trucks. There is nothing about a dress that is connected to biological sex. It's just fabric. Scandinavian countries aren't perfectly gender neutral and boys and girls aren't raised without the influen…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 09:12 PM
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Friend. Fashion is clothing. Also in this comment thread OP gave me the example of wearing UGG boots.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 08:59 PM
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Eyeliner. Skincare.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 08:38 PM
2

Like what trends?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 08:34 PM
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Sounds like they met in college, which would meet the similar education criteria. College educated cheerleader from upper middle class family isn't the same thing as cute fast food worker with no college education from poverty.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 08:31 PM
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Fashion is clothes.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 08:31 PM
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Yes he did. Op said "fashion trends" as a red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 07:27 PM
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Many of these are preferences not red flags. I seriously don't think "most men" have issues with "big earrings" or wearing trendy clothes. That being said, go for whatever woman you wanna go for.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 06:43 PM
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I'm saying statistically speaking, people tend to marry those of similar education level and/or socioeconomic status. Baristas rarely date customers, it's heavily discouraged in most workplaces.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 07:48 AM
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This isn't true. People tend to marry people of similar education level/socioeconomic status. You may be an outlier with your preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 07:08 AM
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To be fair, going to school just to get women is a horrible idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 07:07 AM
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Yes. Women and men want good looking partners. This isn't reserved to one gender. Men aren't lining up to date women they find unattractive due to excellent attributes either. In most cases, excellent attributes alone don't usually make people romantically attracted to other people. The physical plays a big part. But, excellent attributes will help maintain a relationship long term. We all want a good looking partner with excellent attributes—and a lot of people who think they have excellent att…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 01:21 AM
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All humans are "shallow." We want attractive partners. It's normal. In truth, it's only actually shallow is when looks is the only thing that matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 11:16 PM
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How are any of those women conservative? I don't have an exact number. From reading their posts I'd guess around half, if not more. A lot of them like the idea of traditional gender roles, but they do put an FDS twist on them. Were they celebrating when Roe v Wade was overturned? I think they were upset about it. But, pro choice doesn't mean liberal or progressive. People that would never get an abortion can still be pro choice. They are anti-porn, anti-trans, anti-sex worker, anti-kink, anti-sp…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 07:40 PM
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They openly wrote in that sub that they do not like feminists and are not feminists. They do want traditional roles. A huge part of that sub is conservative women. They want men to pay for everything and to commit to them and marry them, and in exchange they do "wife things" like cooking and laundry. It was talked about all the time. They have very strong ideas about what men should be/do and what women should be/do. They call men that don't fit into their box low value. Women get banned from th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 06:11 PM
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Nah, man. They think men should pay for dates, the whole 666 thing, very into traditional gender roles, etc, and they openly talk about not liking feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 04:40 PM
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You don't have to be a misogynist/be prejudiced against women to be anti feminist. They don't want equality between men and women in dating/relationships, and believe egalitarian relationships are wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 03:12 PM
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No. I'd say they are misandrists.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 07:38 AM
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Since always. They don't like feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/22 04:02 AM
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FDS isn't feminist. They're pretty openly anti feminist.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 08:50 PM
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This is something both men and women do, and has to do with each person's history and mental health. For example, people that grew up in abusive homes are more likely to have abusive partners—their brains associate abuse with love. Some people will feel like they deserve the abuse "he/she abused me because I did x wrong." A lot of this is subconscious. Apart from that abusers will often apologize, promise to change, or gaslight victims. Sometimes it's as simple as a man/woman loving their abusiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 07:01 PM
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Rape in college isn't exclusive to fraternities. That doesn't make all fraternity members bad. Like in real life, they are full of all sorts of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 04:15 PM
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Nah, they're pretty normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 07:26 AM
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sociopolitical views This is absolutely tied to a person's overall character.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 07:25 AM
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Everyone has flaws, nice/kind men, and the women they date. That being said, every women is different. Some want a kind man, some do not. Same with men. Some men want a nice lady, some like wild women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/22 07:22 AM
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My second paragraph was about nowadays.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 08:45 PM
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Then those times were better, since they could raise a family on one income for a lot of people. Aspects of those times were better, aspects were worse. US capitalism peaked in the 60s, also a time of sexism and racism. Worker exploitation, meaning corporations pay workers as little as possible. Income inequality meaning the wealthy get wealthier while the poor and working class get poorer. There is a (more or less) finite amount of money circulating in the US economy. We can't just print more m…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 08:05 PM
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He's not saying its a surefire way to get women. He's saying it makes women feel attraction, which I agree with.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 07:27 PM
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That's fair, but that doesn't mean other women won't be attracted to him. I would be.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 07:03 PM
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Nope. And that issue goes back to worker exploitation and income inequality.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 06:53 PM
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OP isn't talking about a relationship. They're talking about feeling attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 06:52 PM
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It's not. It's just not feasible to raise a family on one income for a lot of people. On top of that it's not something a lot of women want. It's not something a lot of men/women want for their wives/husbands. Divorce rates are high, so financial independence is important for a lot of people. It's hard to find a good job and support yourself after being out of work for a decade or two.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 06:01 PM
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If I see a hot guy chopping wood I'd be into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 05:58 PM
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Doesn't make chopping wood not hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 05:30 PM
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There are a lot of descriptions of physical feats in romance novels for a reason. Not benching, but definitely seen chopping wood a few times with detailed descriptions about muscles and sweat and all that. Chopping wood is hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 05:13 PM
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If he's hot, yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 05:01 PM
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They are, in the sense that when you read you picture things in your mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 04:56 PM
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I like how your first comment disagrees with the op, but here you're like nvm, it's true.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 04:53 PM
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because we as a society started to enforce laws which undermine the naturally given gender roles. That's not why. It's because childcare costs are outrageous, both parents are tired from having to work for stagnant wages and housing is outrageously expensive.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 03:38 PM
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I feel like that what you are saying is people like attractive people. I believe this is true regardless of culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 05:44 PM
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Just because someone doesn't have much to bring to a relationship doesn't mean they don't have qualities that make them a good person in other ways. And sure, there are people out there with few positive qualities. But I agree that no one should work on themselves to get a relationship. Work on yourself for yourself and no one else.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 05:43 PM
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People that are beautiful have beauty to offer. People that do not have beauty to offer must offer something else. It's not about being better or worse than someone as a person, it's about what one brings to a relationship. And that's not to say anyone should work on themselves, just that sometimes that's all that can be done to lead to interest from the opposite sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 04:10 PM
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That's not the point. The point is women aren't being asked to rate men by who appeals to other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 05:55 AM
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I will say I'm 100% sure seeing models/celebs in person would be different.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 03:28 AM
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When a person is asked to rate others for attractiveness it is implied that you rate what is attractive to you. When you get a large amount of people to do that....you get your data. You're saying instead of rating if a man is attractive to me, I should rate him based on if I think he's attractive to other women. I think that's worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 03:27 AM
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Well if it doesn't happen around you, that means it doesn't happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 02:27 PM
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Feminism doesn't list anything about what women bring to a relationship. It's about equal rights and women having choice. Some feminists might make claims about dating, but they are not representative of feminism as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 02:15 PM
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Thats because you're not a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 02:04 PM
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Apart from cat calls on the streets, women aren't hit on all the time irl.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 02:46 AM
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Ok so you're not disproving the op.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 10:31 PM
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You can't prove your claim that married men perform better than men in long term relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 09:42 PM
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You posted four studies that didn't address that commenter's point as they lump single men and men in long term relationships into the same category.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 09:12 PM
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You responded to a comment, and are now deliberately ignoring what that comment actually said, and arguing about something different.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 08:49 PM
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The person you're replying to is saying there is no benefit to marriage when you can have a long term relationship instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 08:38 PM
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The study would need to be married men vs unmarried men in long term relationships only to make your point.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 08:09 PM
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These studies are comparing married men to single men, not married men to unmarried men in long term relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 07:38 PM
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or are one foot in the grave. I don't think there are any living cavemen.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 07:21 PM
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I don't think it's bad for anyone to have as much sex as they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 06:31 PM
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how is sex in the city raunchy or bad when the most promiscuous character on the show still had less sex than Joey Samatha had sex with hundreds of men. There was an episode about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 06:20 PM
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My first thought was OP never actually watched Sex and the City. Everyone that wanted to get married fell in love and got married.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 06:19 PM
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I never got to experience a world in which I can smack a woman with my club and drag her into my cave. Which is a good thing. Treating women like people is a good thing, folks.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 06:15 PM
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You're completely misunderstanding just how much beauty affects your life in all aspects I'm not. I'm saying beauty alone won't get you your passion job, save for things like modeling. If you've got beauty and brains, you're gonna be the best off. Look at the people that are working in desirable jobs. They aren't disproportionately more beautiful than the rest of the population. The biggest indicator of if a person will be able to have a passion career is being born into money/having connections…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 06:10 PM
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I'm not saying it doesn't help, but beauty won't pass your law school classes, do your research for you, or win your case in court.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 05:15 PM
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they just have more freedom and can chose a job they are passionate about rather than the highest earning job they can find. Beauty doesn't get you jobs you are passionate about save for jobs where looks matter. It's not gonna get you hired at a law firm, get your book published, get you a tenured teaching job.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 04:08 PM
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False accusations are rare and require proof in court. A false accusation is not proof in court. The process is adversarial when the people involved are being adversarial, lawyers don't make it worse or better. In face they are necessary to help deal with any potential false accusations from either side.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 03:32 PM
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There is no “self-responsibility” as that would imply that men owe x something when there is no such thing. By taking responsibility I mean the "victim" realizes they have a problem, get help, and do the work of getting better. It's the only way a human will get better. No one can wave a magic wand and make someone's trauma go away.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 03:28 PM
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Like all other forms of victim blaming, calling for vicitms to take responsibility for there issues just does not work. This is actually the ONLY way people get better. You can give a victim all the therapy in the world and it won't work until that person decides to do the work themselves to get better. I don't think anyone is going to get better for "free." Most people won't and don't get better. But anyone that does get better, starts by taking responsibility for themselves and their actions. …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 03:26 PM
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Im saying its really not a small percentage of woman when you break it down by age group and by single people. it definitely has an effect on the dating market. This isn't what I was talking about, but those stats don't exist so you're just making assumptions. I was pointing out that it's just escorting/sex work not "dating."
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 03:19 PM
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I think OPs advice should have been for women to maintain financial independence in a relationship and that's it. If the man goes away you have to make sure you can survive.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 05:23 AM
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I have not been a sugar baby. Yes to everything else. The data does not exist. Go to r/SexWorkers or r/Sugardatingforum and read about the realities of sugaring. It's just escorting with extra steps. They are all getting paid and having sex with their sugar daddies. I'm confused why you believe men are paying to hang out with women without sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 05:13 AM
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Because the men know it's futile in many cases so they don't attempt it. Since they only attempt it in cases where they know they have a good chance of succeeding of course the rate of success in the cases where they ask for it is high. This is untrue. A man will get custody if he is not a criminal of some sort/abusive/unfit. The court has to have a reason to deny a man custody. They can't just deny a man custody because he's a man. Like there has to be actual proof the man is an unfit parent. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 02:38 AM
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It sounds like you may less informed or your information is limited to anecdotal experiences and not representative of sugaring as a whole. Men paying women for companionship alone with no sexual component is extremely rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 02:35 AM
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If you want men to be mentally well and love themselves, maybe society should stop hating men then? Any man or woman can choose to be a victim of their trauma/society/the world, or they can choose to heal and get better. Every human is responsible for their own mental well being and for dealing with their own trauma. You're misusing victim blaming. Victim blaming is saying Mike got assaulted and that was his fault for wearing short shorts. Victim blaming is not saying Mike needs to get therapy a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/22 12:22 AM
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20s are using sugar daddy sites to meet guys. why go one a date with a regular guy when you can get paid 500-1000$ to go on a fancy date with a rich guy. This is so not true. It may seem that way from how the media portrays it, but sugar daddy sites are generally thinly veiled prostitution sites. Most women on there are escorts, plus a bunch of fake profiles to attract men to the site. Real "sugar babies" tend to be students, and it's a very small percentage of women...and the men will still exp…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 11:25 PM
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That is a myth.https://www.dadsdivorcelaw.com/blog/fathers-and-mothers-child-custody-myths#:~:text=Myth%3A%20Fathers%20Almost%20Never%20Get,custodial%20parents%20reported%20in%201994. The sad truth is men really do ask for 50/full custody much less often, but when they do they get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 11:22 PM
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No, but a lot of women do, which I think is sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 08:44 PM
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You're just restating the argument without proving any of the connections you are making.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 06:16 PM
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Yes. You are correct. If Isaac Newton was actually a troubled 2000s pop star he would not have invented calculus. That being said, inventors have had all sort of personalities. They aren't a monolith. Not sure how that proves that babies gravitating towards people means they can't invent.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 04:39 PM
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You are attractive to millions of men that are good men but don’t have a chiseled jaw, but you don’t want them. Millions of men aren't all good men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 04:22 PM
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He was the one that wanted the ironed shirt.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 11:14 AM
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Both men and women do it. Ill never forget my ex telling me he "didn't know how" to iron a shirt.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 07:08 AM
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Nah, I'd say the guy's is far worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 02:54 AM
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She knows how. She wants you to do it for her and is pretending to be incompetent.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 02:48 AM
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That tinder matches don't equal relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/22 02:45 AM
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​ Women do not approach. It's not women's job. A man acting like a woman and waiting to be approached is not going to get anything. A woman who approaches will be seen as desperate and low value. This is all irrelevant. You can't make claims about what men want...and then exclude a bunch of men b/c they don't fit your narrative. ​ I don't know if you realize this but there is always the possibility of a man getting into a fight. A guy may talk himself out of a fight and that is a smart thing to …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 08:36 PM
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The men who want women to approach and take charge are beta males and they will be alone. You can call them whatever you want, but they are still men and still count as men. ​ Women don't like aggressive men who get into fights. Lol. Women want dominant men. Women get wet for dominant men. On the other hand, if you share your emotions with a woman, she will run far away lol Women do want dominant men. Women do not want men that get into fights. Men that get into fights have issues. Dominance has…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 08:09 PM
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He's talking about babies not toddlers or children. Different personalities don't have anything to do with inventions.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 08:00 PM
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Your examples don't even makes sense. The men of this sub constantly talk about how they'd like women to approach and take charge. Also I've never met a single woman that likes men that get into fights. Those men are either drunkards or have anger issues, not attractive traits. Women may like men that do these thinks like them despite those negative traits. No one likes aggressive or argumentative or unemotional people. Women don't want unemotional men that are aggressive and argumentative. That…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 07:03 PM
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People that play those games usually need therapy and will struggle in long term relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 04:39 PM
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Babies picking or not picking objects has nothing to do with what adults do or do not invent. The baby study is in no way proof that adult women would invent fewer things if they led humanity...which is an imaginary scenario the outcome of which no one knows. There are massive and deeply flawed leaps in logic happening here.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 09:01 AM
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Women didn't invent stuff because female independent thinking and education was discouraged or disallowed for most of history.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 08:37 AM
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factually correct. You can't call fantasy scenarios factually correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 07:37 AM
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Women are slower, and more prone to make error because of taking in more information, as I said before, the woman also carries the capacity and does often exercise fixation on things, objects and events, but coming along side with subject-fixation (objective and subjective), women in general need to use more mental energy to filter out irrelevant information to focus on more clinical, non-subjects. This is not factually correct and made up. So is most of what you have said. Women not having "uti…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/22 05:00 AM
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Abortion was a first step.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 07:36 PM
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I think this is very true, and I've seen people on here blatantly say rolling back women's rights is the way to go. It's scary....because not only was this already a reality for most of history, but women lack rights in lots of countries. And we all know history is cyclical. It seems like either one sex suffers or the other does.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 05:35 PM
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Not so much bang, but be with.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 04:30 PM
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Sure but i don't see how that's the fault of all men. It's not. Women that say all men x are probably bitter after a string of bad experiences. And there are absolutely men that hate women after bad experiences. Both of these groups need to take time and heal.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 04:29 AM
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Not really. People aren't usually shitty upfront or sharing their shitty history. And quality men and women are much harder to lock down than shitty ones. The endless options aren't necessarily great.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 03:46 AM
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Top tier means a bunch of women (or men) want to be with you. It's desirability. Doesn't matter how great someone is, they aren't going to be considered desirable if no one desires them.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 02:35 AM
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female friendships are weak compared to male friendships This is also made up.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 02:28 AM
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He's pretty top tier. Top tier doesn't mean flawless. It means people forgive their flaws because of whatever else they offer.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 01:14 AM
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It's probably going to be toxic or codependent. Mommy/Daddy issues are really broad terms. There are a lot of different types of abuse that can effect people differently. Physical abuse effects people differently than neglect, than emotional abuse, and so on. Family dynamics also play a big role. People's adult relationships are largely shaped by their relationship with their primary caregivers. We learn what is "normal" in childhood, and in adult relationships people subconsciously will try to …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 08:04 PM
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Most of misogynistic assholes i know are pretty open about You think that because the closeted misogynistic assholes are....closeted about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 08:01 PM
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Hot people don't have to settle when they marry....usually.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 05:08 PM
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No, the vast majority of humans settle when they settle down. Even the so called "'Alphas" as you say.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 01:41 PM
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Very few do. Not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 01:21 PM
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Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 01:20 PM
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That is sexist. We don't have those in my area, but we do have family shelters. That being said, I don't know if women's shelters, most of which are probably run by non profits means that governmental spending is significantly higher for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 06:32 AM
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Never. I feel like it's not too hard to sus out the manipulators most of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 06:05 AM
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People that are not average height find love. It might not be with an average height woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 05:58 AM
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Idk, I've been homeless. There were no woman resources for me or many other women. Do you have any data or is your experience anecdotal?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 05:33 AM
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It's a program. There are policies that make up the program, but it is a program.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 05:32 AM
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None of this "You're single bc you need to be more sensitive to her needs, be a better listener, be funny, don't be so toxic" I agree. Looks initially attract people, a good personality keeps them.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 03:35 AM
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Is governmental social spending significantly higher for women?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 01:59 AM
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Everyone settles except for hot people.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 01:58 AM
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No, people are banging hot dudes regardless of personality, and hoping to settle down with hot dudes with good personalities.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 01:21 AM
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That's not a law or a policy like you stated. Its a program. And like most programs in the US it's riddled with flaws. I don't disagree that male victims are treated horrifically—it's just not a law or policy. It's a program that is discriminatory and biased against men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 12:33 AM
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dump good guys This is my biggest issue with red pill ideology. The myth that hot guys are jerks and average looking guys are all great guys. Women aren't pursuing hot guys over average looking good guys. They are pursing hot good guys, then hot guys with average personalities then average looking guys with average personalities, then bad looking guys with bad personalities, and so on. Men want the hot girl with the good personality too, they are just much more willing to settle. Edit: I'm sure …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 12:09 AM
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Like what?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 12:07 AM
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Nah b/c that takes a lot of hard work
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 08:03 PM
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Cognitive empathy towards a particular gender isn't a biologically inherited trait save for outliers, like psychopaths that are born that way. Cognitive empathy is a skill learned in childhood. Studies do not support the claim that women have less cognitive empathy than men, in fact they show that narcissism is more common inn men. I'll leave room for the likely possibility that it is under-diagnosed in women and is close to 50/50. But it has nothing to do with gender or sex. It has to do with u…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 07:18 PM
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Acceptance. I just accept that people are people. We're all flawed.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 07:09 PM
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Men on this sub: average women won't give average men a chance! We're good guys. Also the men on this sub:
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 05:38 PM
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It's not about forcing something, it's about verbally saying what one is already grateful for. If one has nothing they are grateful for in a relationship they should probably break up.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/22 03:43 PM
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Oh sure, I guess that would work.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 10:30 PM
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Not from seeing the child but forces him to sign it so the can’t see a wanted child. well that would be a crim. Idk how she'd do that though. So women wouldn’t be able to paper abort? Why? Because they regular abort. That's the whole point.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 10:26 PM
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Well the woman wouldn't have to sign a paper abortion. It's just the man choosing to not be a part of the child's life. Just how men don't have to sign off on abortions, women wouldn't sign off on paper abortions. If a woman prevents a father from seeing a child you go to court and get joint custody.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 10:14 PM
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I think the biggest obstacles to paper abortions are that the burden of paying for the child will fall on taxpayers, and that a lot of countries/people are quite conservative and think fathers need to "man up" and "take responsibility." Maybe one day it will be on the table. I'm in the us and with how things are going....we'll be lucky to see abortion back in our lifetimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 09:46 PM
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A man aborting a child on paper. So during the time that a woman can choose to get an abortion a man can choose to relinquish all rights and responsibilities to the child. So no child support, no parental rights, no visitation or contact.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 09:32 PM
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You don't/shouldn't. Men could have the option to do a paper abortion in states/countries where abortion is legal.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 08:06 PM
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Yeah, but I don't want them. And I don't want Chad, because Chad is an asshole. I want someone that looks like Chad and has a great personality. Now does Chad want me? Nope, and never will.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 07:08 PM
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Dashingly handsome and irresistibly charming.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 06:11 PM
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Humans, especially young ones have a hard time recognizing their own flaws or admitting fault. They aren't being dishonest, they just don't have experience yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 06:02 PM
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Yeah but you're saying men settle, and in the same breath saying men don't want to be settled for. That's not realistic. Whether two people stay together forever depends on a lot of factors. Settled-for men (and women) can also be toxic, abusive, lazy partners, etc. It's not like settling means just settling for looks. The average person (man/woman) isn't just average looking, they also likely have an average personality with an average amount of flaws that results in your average relationship. …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 04:54 PM
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I wish this was actually true
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 04:20 PM
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You sound upset that young women want to date hot men. Everyone wants someone hot when they are young. Then most people gain experience, learn and settle, men and women alike.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 04:19 PM
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​ A lot of men on here say they don't wanna be settled for. That's the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 04:16 PM
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Idk what you mean
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/22 11:47 AM
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Horniness isn't the reason people pair up with abusers or narcissists. Most abusers or narcissists aren't obviously abusive in the beginning, and selecting partners with those traits often goes back to childhood...people with narcissistic/toxic parents tend to pick similar partners, regardless of horniness.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 11:52 PM
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If you judge anything by PPD comments you're gonna get a very skewed view of everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 11:49 PM
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That's not what the science supports.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 11:26 PM
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I like how a "conventionally unattractive woman" is a woman with one scraggly tooth.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 10:35 PM
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Your guy would cheat at the first opportunity he can if he could sleep with a 8-10/10 and not get caught Nah man. Lots of guys have like morals and whatnot, and love/respect their partner. Lots don't, but to say everyone would cheat isn't true.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 10:33 PM
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Every generation says that. The reality is every generation sucks in it's own unique ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 10:31 PM
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Yeah, I agree it's more complex than we know. While studies overall tend to agree that women are lower than men, we don't have enough info to say anything definitively.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 09:55 PM
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Nah, women have less testosterone and stuff. On average they just have a lower libido than men. Sure, some repression may be going on, but men usually have higher libidos. Sauce:https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22552705/#:~:text=Sexual%20desire%20is%20typically%20higher,in%20studies%20of%20sexual%20desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 08:29 PM
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Nah, the men I want have standards I will never meet.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 08:27 PM
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That's just you running into human nature. Most people aren't open minded and don't like to admit that they were wrong or that their views changed. Imagine what a blow it could be to some people and their entire world view to accept the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 05:01 AM
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I don't think it's an impossible task at all. There are tons of reputable studies on relationships, people's beliefs, etc. The studies may be imperfect, but it's better than "trust me bro." A lot of red pill claims are backed by a lot psychological research regarding what women/men find attractive, what are common causes for divorce, etc. I've learned a lot from this sub and changed my mind on things...but the times I have changed my mind it was because someone presented great evidence in the fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 04:41 AM
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I mean just stating a claim isn't debating either. There needs to be evidence that isn't anecdotal. If the claim is x% of women/men believe/do x thing, with evidence, then that's solid. If the claim is "women are all fucking 5000 chads all at once while her boyfriends watch," then you're gonna get replies like that. That being said, a good debate requires two people that are open minded, and open to having their views changed. Otherwise you might as well argue with a potato.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 04:28 AM
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If a man has success with women he would probably not seek out the red pill. He would probably not even be aware of it because he doesn't need a guidebook for getting ladies. He's already there. "Attractive, fit and confident guys" as you say would fall into the category of men that don't have issues with women. Plus, there's a lot of women hatred on the red pill forums, which is gonna push away a lot of normal guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 03:32 AM
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Less. It would be too easy for men to dominate them all, and the rich men would just take all the women. Like what happens with any other minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 03:08 AM
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My best friend is a guy. Been friends for 10 years. Sometimes people with opposite genitals....get along and have stuff in common.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 01:32 AM
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What if all his male friends are hot? Does that mean he's trying to bed them too?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 01:30 AM
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Are you saying it's impossible for a woman to take a man's side? Do you think women are aliens connected to a hive mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 01:28 AM
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And the solution isn't what can men do to better entice a modern woman? What incentives can societies provide to encourage women to have more children? Or god forbid the population gets a bit smaller... It's always about men staying the same while forcing women into submission by taking away human rights. It's sickening and scary.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 08:23 PM
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but men win this trade easily. And this kids, is why feminism matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 06:40 PM
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Do you just.....not see women as people or.....
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 05:40 PM
1

How about we take away your right? How'd you feel about that?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 05:02 PM
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It's the food too. There are literal teams of scientists working to make a cheeto into brain crack.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 04:49 PM
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Good looking guys are no more or less toxic than nice guys. The hope is to find a nice good looking guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 04:29 PM
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I don't think you realize how mentally and physically draining childcare is. It's not "housework." I'm a legal assistant. It's mentally draining.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 04:12 PM
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I was a nanny for a few years and my office job is cake in comparison. Caring for multiple young children is hard work. It's also way more fun than working in an office, but it's still hard work...and the work doesn't end till they're asleep. Also if you homeschool, that's a ton of work right there. I live in the country now so having farm animals is pretty normal. And like I said in my original comment, it depends. Some sahm work hard, some don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 05:53 AM
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No complaints so far.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 04:27 AM
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I worked as a nanny for years. I got paid $25/hr and my office job is cake in comparison. And again, if you read my comment, there are mothers that homeschool, have multiple young children that need full time care. When you have kids the cleaning does. not. end.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 04:26 AM
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I want us both to be masculine.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 02:19 AM
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That depends. If the woman worked hard for 8-10 hours, caring for multiple young children, cleaning, cooking, bathing, driving to activities, managing household finances, teaching children (especially homeschooling), caring for pets/farm animals, etc, then yes. If the kids are in school and she spends her days watching tv, then no.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 02:16 AM
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The benefits aren't high for two working adults. You're losing an income, and no longer splitting bills.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 02:12 AM
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Can you give me some examples, because I'm struggling to understand why you think that. Maybe women in your circle don't take accountability while men do, but that isn't representative of people as a whole. Women are held accountable at work, and by their partners, families etc. So are men. That being said, being held accountable by society for x thing doesn't mean a person genuinely takes accountability. Being able to admit fault and mean it is usually something that comes down to having the se…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 06:07 PM
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Humans have a hard time with this in general. It's not a man/woman thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 04:36 PM
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You might be, but most either already know or don't wanna hear it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 12:44 AM
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Don't say anything then. Becky: "Does this dress make me look fat?" Me: "..." Becky: ? Me: "..." Idk man, sounds like terrible advice. Too be fair, I'm not going around telling people that they are fine the way they are. But I'm also not gonna go around calling people fat and ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 10:53 PM
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You're assuming Becky and Joe will take the advice to heart. They won't. They'll call you an asshole and keep doing what they're doing. Really Beck ad Joe need to work on self awareness and not depend on strangers to tell them how they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 10:26 PM
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Idk, I'm treating you like I treat everyone else. Insincerity is something everyone does. Men, women, everyone. A lot of people don't wanna hear the truth. When Becky asks me if she looks fat in that dress, she doesn't wanna hear "yes." When Joe asks me why he isn't getting girls, he doesn't wanna hear "cause you're ugly and weird."
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 09:29 PM
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If you can tell then you don't need to be told the truth. Then you already know. Everyone likes good looking people, men, women, everyone. It goes beyond romance. Good looking people are perceived to be better than everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 08:42 PM
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It's not better for the person being brutally honest...and there are other ways to learn how people work.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 08:39 PM
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No, they're very attracted to the money. They aren't attracted to the guy. And it's a shit deal, I agree. But not everyone's gonna work out and get plastic surgery.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 08:07 PM
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Idk, money can go a long way. Lots of ladies willing to marry dweeby rich/old guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 06:43 PM
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Unfortunately a lot of people respond to honesty with anger/aggression/sadness (making the other person feel guilty). People learn that early on, and avoid bring brutally honest because it leads to uncomfortable emotions and bad reactions.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 03:53 PM
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This is false. Older men's sperm increases the risk of a bunch of diseases. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4854094/ https://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/06/health/06sper.htmlhttps://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2018/10/older-fathers-associated-with-increased-birth-risks.html
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 05:54 AM
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Because the man may not want the child, and is going to be forced to pay child support for 18 years regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 12:36 AM
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I think there are good things about it, like encouraging women to have standards, not doing things they aren't comfortable with, and having self respect. On the other hand, it can be incredibly cruel and demeaning to men, especially in the comments. It's full of angry women who are recovering from bad relationships. Their "no standards shaming" is really code for, no calling people out for saying horrible things about men. FDS pushes gender roles, and treating relationships in a transactional wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 08:42 PM
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No, superficial means people are only concerned with the surface level things. It's not superficial to date people you're attracted to if you also take the time to get to know them. That being said, we're all a bit superficial....and that's normal. It's part of being human. We like the shiny things.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 08:25 PM
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If Ned from accounting has his life together he's probably married to Susie from HR and busy raising their kids, not claiming to be a "nice guy" and framing bad-chad is an evil, woman stealing villain. "Nice guys" aren't actually nice. That's kinda the point of calling them nice guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 08:22 PM
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I'm not sure why you feel the need to put others down by calling them superficial and vapid....for dating people they are attracted to? You're judging people that you don't know really harshly. It's ok for you to have physical preferences, and it's ok for other people to have physical preferences. Dating at a young age is about having a good time. It's not superficial for anyone to like good looking people. It's normal. You think someone is cute, you date them, get to know their personality, and…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 07:28 PM
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And then there's the myth that nice guys are nice...when they're just the same as the bad boys minus the opportunity to act on it
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 06:21 PM
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Most of the stuff on there isn't meant to be that serious or literal. But also, everyone back then was raping and pillaging.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 06:19 PM
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But if we regulate costs, how will football stadiums and 10 acres of manicured lawns continue to exist? College will become about stupid stuff like "learning" and "education" instead of an "experience."
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 06:15 PM
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Most people have never heard of "the pills" The average man and the average women doesn't think about dating this much. Neither the men nor women on here represent average in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 05:05 PM
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Why do I have a sneaking suspicion you only think this applies to women...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 01:14 AM
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That's because you're an outsider to the relationship. That girl washes her face when she's home alone with that man.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 11:25 PM
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Are you accounting for hair, makeup, clothes?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 10:43 PM
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It's really hard to take care of others if you don't take care of yourself. A mom that truly lives "for their family" is gonna make sure she is healthy and happy first. It has to be both. How good is a mom that is depressed, overweight, boring, etc? How good of a wife is she?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 10:27 PM
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I'm pretty sure your bank account and ability to be financially independent benefit....because what happens when said husband is gone? Gonna live in a trailer and work at Wendy's?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 10:24 PM
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Feminism is a lot of different things to different people. At it's core its about equal rights, not one gender being treated better or worse than the other. That being said each gender has and always will have a unique set of problems and perfect equality among the genders, or even among people of different races, sexual orientations, body sizes, etc is impossible. And this is how its gonna be forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 09:27 PM
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More women in their 30s are getting pregnant than in their 20s ​ https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/apr/15/more-women-getting-pregnant-after-30-than-in-20s-for-first-time#:\~:text=Age%2Dspecific%20data%20has%20been,women%20aged%2025%20and%20under.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 08:19 PM
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35 isn't high risk. Tons of 35-year-olds have kids. It's 40+ where it becomes high risk. I'm not saying men and women are the same...Im saying no one mates for life, women included.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 07:04 PM
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I think in a human that meets the universal standard the remaining preferences things come down to socialization, culture, personal preference and beauty standards. Like what kind of skin color, hair color, eye color one prefers. But nothing can change the universal preferences. So, if freckled women are all over tv, maybe more people will develop a preference for freckled women. But, if women missing and eye and a leg and covered in warts are presented as attractive on tv, people will be unlike…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 06:59 PM
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Sure they do. Have some kids at 20 and again at 35.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 06:56 PM
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If I'm being super honest: I were swiping I would not swipe right on him because I don't like his face in the first picture and I'm not that fit and would never keep up with him and he's a better human that I am. If I were to give advice, I'd get a glasses-free selfie where he looks handsome as his first picture. And while I personally prefer shorter men, I'm an outlier. He can lie and add an inch or two of height. A shorter women probably wouldn't notice.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 06:41 PM
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So would every woman. After kids are independent both people have to work hard to stay together, and women initiate most divorces. Humans are built to want to diversify the gene pool.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 06:37 PM
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Nice skin, as in free of blemishes, wounds, infections, sores etc. A face covered in cold sores with an infected wound and a missing eye will never be physically attractive. "Physical attractiveness" developed as a way for the brain to select a healthy mate. Things we find attractive (save for fetishes/outliers) are generally things that are signs of health. We find thick healthy hair attractive over thin, breaking hair, fit (or normal) bodies over disabled or deformed ones, facial symmetry over…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 06:12 PM
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Wait so what is the feminist movement trying to accomplish if it's not equilavalency? The goal of feminism was equal legal rights. Right to vote, ending of discrimination at work right to go to college, etc. Men and women can't be the same because they aren't. Each gender will always and forever have problems unique to that gender and that won't change within our lifetimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 05:18 PM
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There's is and always has been a universal standard of attractiveness that has never been shaken by beauty trends. Big butts or being tall maybe "in style" but a short girl with a small butt won't have an issue being found beautiful if she has a pretty face, nice skin, and is fit. Universal markers of attractiveness like good skin, prettiness, healthy hair, good teeth, being fit have never and will never go away. There are individuals with varying preferences, but as a society we've always found…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 05:15 PM
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While I agree the men paying for dates thing is antiquated, these are two things that make no sense to lump together. A man willingly getting a woman a $15 dinner a few times a year is not the same as her being underpaid thousands for doing the same work as a male coworker. That being said, the wage gap has been debunked. It exists in some individual companies and maybe in some industries, but for the most part it's no longer a major issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 05:06 PM
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Similar issue to China, though it is richer. The population is declining. It was overpopulated, hence the one child policy. And despite the massive population, has horrific wealth inequality.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 04:09 PM
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Single motherhood, sexual liberalisation and birthrate declines are the consequences of a society that doesn't care for families anymore. A society caring for families means affordable childcare, long vacation, and good salaries, not taking away women's rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 04:08 PM
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That's female privilege, the exact bias that is established in the study that the OP posted. sounds like no one is privileged, and both genders suffer from violence. The reason gender plays a part is because in many of these countries women have fewer legal rights, less power, or are attacked because of their gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 04:25 AM
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Just keep in mind, she's a shitty asshole for saying that to another person. She said what she said to hurt you on purpose, and that's 100% on her and her fault. Not your fault, nothing you did wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/22 04:21 AM
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Emotional people aren’t too good at nuance. I mean true. One can hope, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 10:55 PM
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I agree that there are issues with lots of young people transitioning then de-transitioning b/c of poor medical care and pressure to not question anyone's desire to transition. That being said, I feel like it isn't fair to lump gender fluid and trans together. Gender fluid means not subscribing to trad gender roles, like men wearing makeup and staying home with kids, women having body hair etc. Being trans is a medical condition. Saying that issues with trans people will mean that we will return…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 10:37 PM
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Gender fluid doesn't mean trans.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 10:21 PM
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I think this is a great example of correlation is not causation. Contraception has changed sex and what it means a lot. Sexual freedom pre contraception doesn't mean what it means post contraception. Technology has changed. The world is globalized in a way it wasn't in the 30's and before. There are currently plenty of countries enforcing strict chastity that are doing terribly. It could just be that when a civilization is doing well, they have the time to enforce things like chastity and the ti…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 04:59 PM
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Who is better for the environment, the people who live green but speak against climate change alarmism, or the people who don't live green but praise Greta Thunberg on facebook? Dense cities are very green, and have a low carbon footprint. Suburbs are the worst for the environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 04:54 PM
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Can't relate to those women. Must be nice
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 06:53 AM
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I would want to be home and not career oriented. So would a lot of men. I'm just so tired of seeing roles made up for men and women b/c of their sex. If a couple wants to role play, awesome. But let's quit pretending it's natural for men to do x, women to do y. What's "natural" is for a man to knock up 8 women in his small tribe and hunt all day and for women to continuously have children till everyone dies at 45. We're so far removed from "natural" it no longer makes any sense. It's not natural…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 09:51 PM
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Idk where you get the idea that women can't or don't work long hours. Theres nothing wrong with anyone, man or women focusing on their career....and childcare/homemaking is a hard, 24/7 job.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 07:54 PM
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women are taught that being nice to men is demeaning. They aren't. Maybe in certain social circles/online communities, but the average woman doesn't think being nice to men and having healthy communication is "submissive." It's normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 07:53 PM
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This isn't submissive...this is normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 05:55 PM
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Idk where you get the idea that men work harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 05:54 PM
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they are taught that it is somehow demeaning to be one. It is demeaning to people that don't wanna be submissive. Many women don't, and putting that expectation on them b/c genitals sucks. Just how a man would feel demeaned if he was expected to, but didn't want to be submissive to a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 05:53 PM
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You need new friends if they gossip about you when you're out of earshot
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 02:58 PM
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No way! Super unsafe. Real life isn't a movie. Someone's life isn't worth my 4 year old iphone.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 02:55 PM
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It's not about committing, it's about treating other humans with empathy and respect. She's complaining about men treating her as less than human, not men not wanting to committ.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 02:41 AM
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Let's not perpetuate the myth that good looking man are bad and average men are good.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 02:08 AM
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Ok I've been ok quite a few dates...I've been treated this way by one, maybe two men. It's terrible you've been treated this way. That being said, it's the men you're dating, or something you're doing. Most men treat women normally. You can't change other people, you can only change yourself, your choices, your behavior. It might be good to look and see what you can do differently, and how you can vet men better and how you can communicate your own needs and expectations early on. Remember, this…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 02:07 AM
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they generally perceive kindness as weakness That's just not true. Kindness isn't ever perceived as a weakness. I think a lot of people conflate kindness and being easy to manipulate or acting out of desperation. Picking up groceries for a disabled old woman is kindness. Picking up groceries for the hot girl next door hoping she'll date you is being desperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 10:10 PM
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That's because a beard stays on.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 09:12 PM
2

How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 05:39 PM
1

Most Most women do not want to be prostitutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 04:52 PM
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You could make it funny. Like: I know you swiped right because I have the cutest dog in the world or: Was it my dazzling smile or my hilarious bio that got you? Something like that, with some funny emojis. I feel like that opens the door for some playful banter and gets your question answered.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 04:50 PM
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He's a weirdo.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/22 04:44 PM
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OR...."women" aren't a monolith that all act and feel the same way?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 04:15 PM
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Yes. About 21 weeks. Anything beyond that is to save the life of the mother, or to remove a dead or severely deformed fetus that could not live on it's own.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 10:38 PM
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No, most people are pro choice.https://www.npr.org/2022/06/03/1102872199/gallup-poll-pro-choice-roe-v-wade-supreme-court
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 10:13 PM
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Well society is divided on this one, yet majority of people in the US are pro choice. So.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 08:55 PM
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If something is wrong, it's wrong. Who decides what's wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 08:50 PM
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it's incredibly sick. Again, your opinion. I'm not ignoring your points. I don't agree that killing a fetus is "sick." No one is killing babies. People are killing fetuses and I don't think that is wrong. You do, and that is just fine. The fact is that an abortion is killing a fetus. The opinion bit comes in when we discuss whether it is right or wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 08:41 PM
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is wrong. And you're entitled to believe that. But let's stop forcing those beliefs on others and give people choice. People aren't going to agree. You aren't going to change my mind. I don't want to change yours. I want each of us to have a choice. Abortion does not have any widespread negative effects on society. If every abortion resulted in six Pennsylvanians dropping dead I'd understand the need to ban it. But it has no significant negative consequences for society.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 08:00 PM
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there's no need to deny human life for a simple mistake. Don't. No one is forced to. Give people a choice to do what they want. Abortion is about giving people choice. I'm not sure what you want to prove with your stats. All those people had a choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 06:49 PM
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I mean I, personally, am not killing fetuses. But fetuses are alive, no one can argue otherwise. Abortions kill them. Just how using anti bacterial soap kills bacteria, or how we kill cows for food, or kill humans by denying the coverage of medical treatment, or kill people in wars, or cut down a tree. Taking the life of any living thing is killing it. Cells are alive. Sperm are alive. Lots of things are killed every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 06:22 PM
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Well the left wants everyone to be able to get abortions, it's just poor people are the ones effected the most by these laws. Wanting poor people to have choices is a great look.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 05:44 PM
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Killing a fetus is not the same thing as pushing my beliefs on other people. If I tried to convince the fetus to go vegan...then that is me pushing my beliefs on other people...except I couldn't because the fetus is a fetus and not a person that can comprehend language and whatnot. False equivalence fallacy .
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 05:42 PM
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I do understand it. People think killing a fetus is wrong. Other people don't. What more is there?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 05:40 PM
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Ideally sure, in practice that's not gonna happen. I would never blame a man for getting a girl pregnant outside of rape or if the girl was underage while the man was an adult. The responsibility is 50/50.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 05:38 PM
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The this is people just throw around the word murder. Murder is a legal term—the unlawful killing of a human being. Abortion isn't murder unless it's against the law. What people actually think is abortion should be murder because it is the killing of a fetus. What they actually believe is killing a fetus is morally wrong—and there is nothing wrong with that belief. But a massive percentage of the population does not share that belief, hence the importance of giving people choice. Abortions don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 05:36 PM
1

Why is feeling pain an issue? So what if it feels pain?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 05:21 PM
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And teenagers/children that have sex, get raped, make mistakes etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 05:17 PM
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Abortions are murder. Don't have them. Don't be with a woman that is pro choice. But don't push your beliefs on others. Plenty of people don't have an issue with abortions. No one is right or wrong...people should choose what they want to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 05:16 PM
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A lot of unwanted pregnancies happen to teenagers, people with poor sex ed, in religious communities, and when brith control fails. Also mistakes happen. The reality is that people will make mistakes and have unwanted pregnancies, because everyone, you and I included make mistakes.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 05:15 PM
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A massive issue is a lot of people that need abortions are going too be poor people and teenagers that are going to have a hard time crossing state lines to get abortions. Overturning Roe v Wade is mostly going to mean poor people and teenagers will be prevented from getting abortions, which the middle/upper classes will have a much easier time.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 05:13 PM
1

I really like this!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 06:19 AM
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Idk, I feel like it's pretty obvious women (and men) are attracted to attractive people.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 05:24 AM
1

That makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 02:40 AM
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Women are also biologically programmed to want good genes for kids. A woman will want the best combination of security, loyalty and good genes that she can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 02:39 AM
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The fourth pillar feels redundant. If you have the first three, you usually have social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 02:04 AM
1

I just don't think looks have much to do with someone being a good person. I think the probability is close to the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/22 02:03 AM
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*people with great personalities are rare. Being bad looking doesn't make someone a good person.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 10:59 PM
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Can't be in a happy, long term relationship with the personality of a soup can. I mean imagine how great hot people with good personalities have it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 10:43 PM
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I think what's crazy is how quickly people dismiss the importance of having a good personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 10:27 PM
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I know, just saying that hanging around ladies isn't gonna end up in something magically happening. It all goes back to personality, but a lot of PPD-ers like to think women don't care about personality at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 10:25 PM
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This only works for people that have good social skills or are likeable.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 09:16 PM
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Of course you're allowed to have preferences. But telling someone you don't want to date them because they have lopsided boobs is going to hurt their feelings and make them feel bad. "The attraction isn't there" is usually sufficient. There is no necessity to hurt someone's feelings or make someone feel bad about their body when breaking up with them, doesn't matter if you are a man or a woman. Again, empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 07:19 PM
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Thats a good point. But I do think when people want social intelligence they usually want the genuine kind that comes from empathy and self awareness, not psychopaths masking.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 06:16 PM
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So....empathy and self awareness.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 04:38 PM
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I'm not redpilled...but these two should probably break up. Maybe she really did become religious and decide to change her lifestyle, maybe there's something else going on...but Shawn doesn't seem happy with the situation and I suspect the conflict in their values will seep into other areas. If Shawn is like madly in love with her and thinks she's perfect in every other way, and doesn't want to break up, then these two need to have a long, in-depth talk. Is she truly very religious as of 4 month…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 04:35 PM
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I asked a guy to a sorority dance once hoping he'd start to like me if we went. We did go, and he was probably less interested after the dance than before. Still kinda hurts lol. For another guy I ate a brain taco to seem cool and pretended to like it. We dated for a few years so I guess that worked.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 07:39 AM
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Women feel entitled to having their partners seek them out It's actually just a cultural practice left over from days when strict gender roles were followed. I'm in my 20s and I cannot tell you how often I've heard some variation of "don't pursue men, they have to pursue you."
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 07:35 AM
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The mother usually gets custody Because dads ask for 50/50 less often.https://www.dadsdivorcelaw.com/blog/fathers-and-mothers-child-custody-myths#:~:text=Myth%3A%20Fathers%20Almost%20Never%20Get,custodial%20parents%20reported%20in%201994.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 12:38 AM
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The thing is that they have zero reason too. Not everyone can just marry rich lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/22 12:35 AM
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That's entirely dependent on the man in question.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 10:16 PM
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That's because a lot of people don't do it properly. This is data of people who were using the pull out method and got pregnant, not of people who used it properly every time. If a man does not ejaculate in his partner, pregnancy is extremely unlikely.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 09:54 PM
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Simple as that. Or just tell her you’re not attracted to her because her boobs are uneven or her butt is too flat. No need to be mean to people. That goes for both men and women. Have standards, but don't forget to have empathy for other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 06:19 PM
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Why is it dangerous?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 05:26 PM
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Not everything in life is super serious. There are places to chat about world wars, and places to chat about dating. You post in a lot of pretty light hearted subs, so I'm guessing you're just wanting to debate. Unpopular opinion might be a good sub for ya.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 05:02 PM
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You wouldn't have posted here if you didn't want to debate, which is exactly what you're doing. It's fun, isn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 04:55 PM
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You: This sub is silly. Also you: Engaging in the sub It's a fun place to debate and chat about dating. I personally hang out here as a break from life's more serious things.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 03:51 PM
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​ I disagree that it's solely for the female friends benefit. I set my friend up with my now ex's best friend because I thought they would like each other, and they did! You wouldn't set your friend up with someone they wouldn't like, but you also want the guy to like her, otherwise there's no point.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/22 03:47 PM
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There is a lack of incentive in Chads needing to be 'good' when they get what other men want anyway. People aren't truly good if they're acting good to get what they want. Average Andy acting good to get what he wants doesn't make him a good person. I don't disagree that good looking men have a much easier time getting the ladies, I only disagree with the part that "a woman will make a good man wait," as if good looking men aren't good men, or average men aren't often just as bad as the bad "Cha…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 09:24 PM
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And we are swimming in narcissists these days. Always have.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 08:02 PM
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I just find a lot of people say women pick Chad instead of a good guy, like the commenter I was replying to. "Break rules for chad and make good men wait." I think it makes more sense to say break the rules for chad/the good looking guy and make the average looking guy wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 06:41 PM
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I'm saying because looks don't make someone a good/bad person, that percentage of good/bad people in good looking/bad looking groups is going too be similar.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 05:41 PM
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I know about the halo effect, and it's very real. I'm just not sure I agree that being worse looking makes someone better. It may make someone have to try harder and put forth a better face because they can't lean on looks...but looks (or lack thereof) aren't the main factor is someone having things like empathy or self awareness. I believe being attractive means one doesn't have to try as hard to get approval, and being less attractive means one has to work harder for approval. But...I don't th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 05:16 PM
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Wrong that looks don't determine if someone is a good person? Nah. That's a bit of biology with a lot of upbringing and trauma. But it would be funny if you were right and jails were just full of supermodels though
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 05:00 PM
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This is what I get for refusing to watch Rick and Morty lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 04:39 PM
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I don't think they are exceptions, I think the percentage of good looking men that are good people is similar to the percentage of average men that are good people. same for the ladies. It's not looks that make someone a good person.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 04:37 PM
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There's a myth on PPD that good men are ugly. There are "Chads" (good looking men) that are also "good men." And these good looking men with good personalities also have an easy time getting a lady in bed. On the flip side lot of "good men" aren't as good as they think they are. This happens for the ladies too. There's this group of average people that seems to overestimate how much of a good person they are want to believe good looking people must be bad people and average looking people have b…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 04:18 PM
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You can love someone after the infatuation fades. Just how people love family members, friends, siblings, etc. Love isn't all lust.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 04:10 PM
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The only sensible advice is to talk to him about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 04:21 AM
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If it was all CoL-related, they would have fallen the same. I'm sure it's not 100% CoL related for both groups though, but I think that's the biggest factor. Maybe CoL makes women less happy for some reason? Idk. For women it's different since they still take on the brunt of childcare and chores, especially older/more conservative families so CoL means not being able to afford childcare/cleaning and doing more work at home?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 03:14 AM
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In 1970, women were more satisfied than men, today men are more satisfied than women. I mean one gender has to be more satisfied than the other, can't be perfectly even. That being said, has men's satisfaction fallen?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 02:03 AM
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Heath problems
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 01:54 AM
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Not in recent history.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 01:53 AM
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This was all an issue before the war. The root issue is demand for livable housing is higher than supply.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 01:51 AM
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That's probably due to the increasing cost of living and stagnant wages, not because she's no longer a full time nanny and housekeeper.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/22 01:49 AM
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I'm just saying I think that's the level of incompetence op is referring. too. I'm sure he'd seen it somewhere, just didn't care enough to pay attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 06:35 PM
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I think thats beside the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 05:22 PM
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I once had to pull up a diagram of a vagina and show a 25+ year old man where the clitoris typically is b/c he had no idea and never bothered to google it. I think OP is talking about stuff like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 04:32 PM
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"Women" don't. Some women might because women are people and some of them suck. If they are acting that way then that's on them for being shitty
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 04:28 PM
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This is extremely unlikely.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 04:27 PM
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Pedophilia and sleeping with 1000 people are similar in that they are both sexual. This is like if I said cooking spaghetti and cooking meth are similar because they are both cooking.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 08:34 AM
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Extremeness would be asking what if your partner slept with 1000 people. You've just picked an unrelated thing. Like there's a line between n-count and pedophilia. This is like saying, should someone's employment history matter? Wouldn't it matter if they worked as a terrorist and blew up orphanages?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 07:56 AM
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yeah, I just think comparing n numbers to pedophilia is crazy
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 07:20 AM
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I don't understand why you're saying if criminal history matters then n count matters. Just say the past matter. It all matters. It all speaks to a person's character. But these are all very different things! I can forgive sleeping around. I can't forgive pedophilia, murder, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 06:53 AM
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It's the biggest city in Oregon. It's not small. Name some conservative cities that are safer/cleaner and the same size (I'm pretty sure there aren't any)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 06:50 AM
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OR......sexual history can not matter while pedophilia does because one is literally a heinous crime and the other is not. Like if sexual history matters to you, great. But these are not things you can compare!!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 06:41 AM
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None of the big cities are conservative...big cities tend to be more progressive in general, but it's not being progressive that makes them shitty. Conservative cities are just smaller and have a more middle/upper class population. If you kick all the poor people out of LA it'll get a lot nicer too.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 06:35 AM
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She says it all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 02:09 AM
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I think she writes songs about relationships she's had in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 12:46 AM
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Women fear for their lives on a daily basis. No, they don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 12:41 AM
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As a short woman it's harder to get taken seriously at work. Especially if you are short and look young. Tall men or tall women have an easier time than short men (tall men usually have the easiest time), followed short women. I will say it does depend on the industry, and of course there are exceptions, but you have to work harder than a tall man or a tall woman especially in the business world. And business events (social/networking etc) where people stand—prepare for people to literally not s…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 12:40 AM
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I'm Russian and spousal abuse is really really bad and almost normalized.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 09:57 PM
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Of course they do! But loving someone for "who they are" includes loving a person that maybe works hard, puts effort into themselves and the relationship, someone that you can see a future with. A lot of qualities that people are looking for are part of who someone is, including things like financial stability, health, or sex drive.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 09:44 PM
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Idk, I remember getting into my college because I studied really hard. I'm pretty sure anyone can do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/22 02:15 AM
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A minimum wage worker in the US today arguably has a better life than Louis XIV did. Absolutely not lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 11:11 PM
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In major cities, women make more money on top of higher college rates. I'm pretty sure that's a result of studying and hard work.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 11:09 PM
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How would your solution prevent single mothers? And abuse in families isn't a rarity...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 09:09 AM
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You: Freedom and individual choice in dating just wasn't a thing My abusive family is an example of why freedom and choice are important. Taking away freedom and individual choice implies people are not able to choose who they date without the involvement of family or religious institutions, as you explained.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 08:56 AM
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I'm not sure what any of that has to do with taking away freedom of choice in dating? Like we have it now and the garbage is still picked up? What? Like you do what you want with your niece, just don't force other people's uncles to be involved in their dating live....you know what I mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 08:33 AM
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Imm 100% sure the agenda is "make money." Dating apps make money when people are single.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 08:20 AM
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Wait why? I don't think people find it relatable as in they're like oh yes I too manipulate men, but relatable because they're like ah yes, there are men that do want the "cool girl."
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 08:15 AM
3

Pull through. Being a supportive friend for one of the most important days of their life>a nap.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 08:13 AM
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Unless your spouse isn't into you any more and leaves
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 08:12 AM
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As a female I would like to retain my autonomy, thank you very much. Everyone is free to date however they want, and if you want arranged marriages or whatnot then have at it, but let's not force it on other people. I grew up in a very abusive family and can't imagine how horrific it would be to have them involved in selecting a partner for me. I'm very much not alone there. Meeting people through coworkers or church is fine for those that want that. I'm not religious, and not alone there, and h…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 07:44 AM
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No they care about confidence, just not more than looks. If you have looks and confidence you're gonna have the best chances. If you don't have looks, confidence can still help a lot, but looks will be a limiting factor. That being said, confidence doesn't make anyone creepy. If you approach a woman and ask her out and she thinks you're creepy it's not b/c you're confident, it's something else, be it looks or whatever. Confidence is about your relationship with yourself. Loving yourself, accepti…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 07:32 AM
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For men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 07:21 AM
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I don't think having preferences is a character flaw for men or women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/22 07:19 AM
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Idk who in their right mind would pick Pete over my man Henry Cavill.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 08:58 PM
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Definitely if she doesn't have all the cans with the label to the front in the cupboards.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 08:57 PM
0

I went on FDS and got here
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 08:55 PM
0

Maybe you assume that the people not doing insults are men but theyre secretly women
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 08:46 PM
4

No, he lumped all 18-35 years old together.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 01:24 AM
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Yes, I don't think I'm smarter than biologists.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 01:23 AM
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Do they have public profiles? Most people don't. Especially older people. Or are you counting international scammers?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 12:30 AM
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Not a very good one. This is pseudoscience and word play. When you take away all the fluff this man is saying we're not biologically attracted to attractive humans. Like he's saying a human raised alone in the woods would find a 25 year old supermodel equally arousing to a warty 60 year old woman missing both arms and legs. And the only reason sexy people are sexy is society and has nothing to do with biology, and humans are just unlike every other animal. Brains being plastic doesn't in any way…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 12:27 AM
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That's fine, but OP isn't talking about 20-25 year olds that are pretty and have public profiles.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 12:19 AM
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I'm happy for your mom, but this is not normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 12:18 AM
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OP is saying most women aged 18-35 are getting messaged by sugar daddies and DMd which is incorrect. A minority of women in that category get DMd/sugar daddies. Usually good looking, under 25, not conservative.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 10:50 PM
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All people will never be sexually fulfilled. Attraction is largely biological. Culture isn't going to make quasimodo hot. Societal "Beauty standards," usually means things like race, skin color, ethnicity. Universal preferences are things like symmetrical faces, good skin, nice hair. These preferences are biological and exist outside of beauty standards. Early humans had preferences. Everyone wants to reproduce with the healthiest humans. This utopia of people suddenly being attracted to everyon…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 10:49 PM
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I'm glad you did, because I think people will take what you said more seriously because it's true. Most women do worry about boundaries pushed or getting pressured, and many men don't realize that. But I can see how saying raped and murdered would make men dismiss what you're saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 09:55 PM
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Did you just say men who can't get laid are victims? People don't owe people sex. No one is a victim because someone didn't want to have sex with them. Just how no one is a victim because someone didn't give them a job, or a million dollars, or a hug, or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 09:50 PM
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most heterosexual women are. No they are not. "Most" women are not afraid their date will rape and murder them. Come on.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 09:42 PM
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Personally, to me it seems like the non-party women are in the minority, Maybe in the 18-25 bracket, not the 25-35 bracket. Past 25 most people hang out at chill bars with friends not go clubbing, especially in smaller cities.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 09:23 PM
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"Lots" is not most women in the 18-35 age bracket as OP is saying. It's a minority of women doing that, the vast majority of which are under the age of 25.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 08:04 PM
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OP didn't specify that, made generalizations about women, then used these generalizations to make statements about the dating market as a whole. Pretty 18-22 year old women are going to date very differently than average 25-35 year old women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 07:04 PM
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It may be common, but it's not a majority of women doing this stuff, as OP implies. It's usually young, party girls and this is not most women, especially not in the 25-35 age group, which OP has lumped everyone into. Sometimes I feel like women that don't party/don't "thirst trap" on social media are overlooked by people like OP....because they spend all their time looking at instagram/social media girls so their view is skewed. I find it more common to come across women that don't party or are…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 06:38 PM
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I was in a sorority and lived in an all girls dorm/house for all of college. I knew one girl that dated an older man and two years later she married a guy her age. No one at my job has a sugar daddy or thirst traps on instagram either. I think it's more common for certain groups of woman over others, but to say it's common for all women or imply most women have active "sugar daddies trying to buy them gifts" is not accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 06:33 PM
19

I don't think the majority of 18-35 year olds do thirst traps...especially ladies over 25, and definitely over 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 06:29 PM
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I'd love to meet these 18-35 years old constantly offered money and getting DM'd. I must only interact with ogre women since this happens to none of us. I am the only unmarried woman in my office, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 05:07 PM
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and this are not privileged guys that rape women in some street corner usually. Brock Turner has entered the chat. In all seriousness rape on college campuses is rampant...and I'm not talking about drank too much, regretted it later. Girls get roofied, blacked out girls get taken back to sober guy's rooms, girls say no and guys don't stop, etc etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 04:29 PM
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I think the key to happiness is accepting reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/22 06:00 AM
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