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1	Traditional Nazi or Feminazi If you think feminism is "Naziism all over again" then you need to get your prescription refilled. Even as hyperbole it's an offensive comparison, but seeing as how you are now actually trying to justify the label it's just plain delusional. When feminists massacre half the population of Canada you can come back and say that.	/r/MensRights	14/10/12 07:26 AM
0	Traditional Nazi or Feminazi Extreme feminists murdered 6 million Jews, and 11 million Roma/homosexuals/disabled people/etc.? Get a fucking clue.	/r/MensRights	14/10/12 07:24 AM
1	An Experiment: This sub rightly, and for obvious reason, usually only posts stories about the way society makes being a man difficult and shitty. That can get you down after a time. So instead, tell me what you like about masculinity and being a man. Wow, somebody's late to the party.	/r/MensRights	09/10/12 05:40 PM
1	"The Myth of Male decline" )Ny Times article) Only what constitutes "poverty" in a first world country is still considered "rich" in third world country. It's all how you define "poverty". So it isn't as abysmal as it comes across. That depends. Purchasing power varies widely between first and third world countries, making it very difficult sometimes make comparisons on living standards between developed and undeveloped nations. So what might look like an abysmal salary in a developing nation would actually entitle one to a fairly comfortab…	/r/MensRights	02/10/12 04:35 AM
3	"The Myth of Male decline" )Ny Times article) Sad numbers to see. :( Indeed. The numbers for children are even worse. 21.9% of children under the age of 18 live in poverty (and 24.5% of children under 6), and 47.6% of children in families with a female householder. Those are abysmal poverty rates for a first world country.	/r/MensRights	02/10/12 02:46 AM
2	"The Myth of Male decline" )Ny Times article) Women in the US remain more likely to be impoverished than men in every age category. source at page 15.	/r/MensRights	01/10/12 08:23 PM
2	An Experiment: This sub rightly, and for obvious reason, usually only posts stories about the way society makes being a man difficult and shitty. That can get you down after a time. So instead, tell me what you like about masculinity and being a man. That's not nice. What did Satan ever do to you?	/r/MensRights	18/08/12 11:06 PM
4	Was asked to give one example of ways in which sexism hurts men today. I gave several, on of which was selective service. This was the reply. Good for you.	/r/MensRights	18/08/12 08:11 AM
2	An Experiment: This sub rightly, and for obvious reason, usually only posts stories about the way society makes being a man difficult and shitty. That can get you down after a time. So instead, tell me what you like about masculinity and being a man. Funny how that goes	/r/MensRights	18/08/12 08:10 AM
1	An Experiment: This sub rightly, and for obvious reason, usually only posts stories about the way society makes being a man difficult and shitty. That can get you down after a time. So instead, tell me what you like about masculinity and being a man. Oh shit, wrong commenter. I thought you were the one who wrote this. Video games? Yes. Very much so. There were a string of articles out a few months ago blaming video games for why men aren't getting jobs and making something of their lives, and how this is slowly dwindling away at the number of "good men" out there. Apparently "good" is defined as being able to financially support a strong, independent woman (see the recent Destiny's Child submission for that reference). As for the rest - ther…	/r/MensRights	17/08/12 10:07 PM
1	An Experiment: This sub rightly, and for obvious reason, usually only posts stories about the way society makes being a man difficult and shitty. That can get you down after a time. So instead, tell me what you like about masculinity and being a man. That videogames are making men less able to support women? How is that feminist?	/r/MensRights	17/08/12 09:43 PM
1	An Experiment: This sub rightly, and for obvious reason, usually only posts stories about the way society makes being a man difficult and shitty. That can get you down after a time. So instead, tell me what you like about masculinity and being a man. Aspects like what? The biggest feminist complaints I've ever heard about video games are the rampant objectification of female videogame characters, booth babes at cons, "gamer girl" stigma, those sorts of things. Hardly fundamental parts of video games. I don't see how asking for stronger female characters in videogames is the same as saying all videogames should be banned.	/r/MensRights	17/08/12 09:33 PM
1	An Experiment: This sub rightly, and for obvious reason, usually only posts stories about the way society makes being a man difficult and shitty. That can get you down after a time. So instead, tell me what you like about masculinity and being a man. ... I see no reason why it would be unreasonable to say ... Because being ideologically opposed to some videogames and some aspects of the community is not the same as being against all video games and all aspects of the community.	/r/MensRights	17/08/12 09:12 PM
1	An Experiment: This sub rightly, and for obvious reason, usually only posts stories about the way society makes being a man difficult and shitty. That can get you down after a time. So instead, tell me what you like about masculinity and being a man. Why? Because it costs less political capital to justify a sin tax on alcohol or chips than it does to justify a tax increase on food or income?	/r/MensRights	17/08/12 09:12 PM
1	An Experiment: This sub rightly, and for obvious reason, usually only posts stories about the way society makes being a man difficult and shitty. That can get you down after a time. So instead, tell me what you like about masculinity and being a man. What size cigars are we talking about her? Smoking a single colt a day maybe, but a Cohiba Robusto a day?	/r/MensRights	17/08/12 09:11 PM
3	An Experiment: This sub rightly, and for obvious reason, usually only posts stories about the way society makes being a man difficult and shitty. That can get you down after a time. So instead, tell me what you like about masculinity and being a man. Basically anything feminists don't want you to do / anything that men used to do before feminism took over. This is what we're talking about. I think the original statement made by Strontium is outlandish. There are many things that feminism is ideologically opposed to that men like, but the things he listed were poor examples. You replied with the claim that feminists (I assume from the context) are against videogames because they're to blame for joblessness among young males. You then followed…	/r/MensRights	17/08/12 09:03 PM
1	An Experiment: This sub rightly, and for obvious reason, usually only posts stories about the way society makes being a man difficult and shitty. That can get you down after a time. So instead, tell me what you like about masculinity and being a man. ...and have an excuse to slap a sin tax on tobacco because it's addictive and really bad for you. Same reason BC has a sales tax on soda and chips but not on bread and milk.	/r/MensRights	17/08/12 08:54 PM
1	An Experiment: This sub rightly, and for obvious reason, usually only posts stories about the way society makes being a man difficult and shitty. That can get you down after a time. So instead, tell me what you like about masculinity and being a man. Ya, but that was eighty years ago? How is that still relevant to today's feminist movement? Just because there were feminists involved in advocating prohibition doesn't mean that today's feminist movement is anti-alcohol.	/r/MensRights	17/08/12 08:11 PM
2	An Experiment: This sub rightly, and for obvious reason, usually only posts stories about the way society makes being a man difficult and shitty. That can get you down after a time. So instead, tell me what you like about masculinity and being a man. ... but that's one well-funded hatemonger. Yup. But just one. There isn't anything about feminism that's really ideologically opposed to video games in general. Games like Soul Calibur or DOA Beach Volleyball, which aren't exactly the most pro-feminists games one could imagine. But video games generally? I don't see it.	/r/MensRights	17/08/12 08:09 PM
-1	An Experiment: This sub rightly, and for obvious reason, usually only posts stories about the way society makes being a man difficult and shitty. That can get you down after a time. So instead, tell me what you like about masculinity and being a man. Not really, was being sincere.	/r/MensRights	17/08/12 08:07 PM
1	An Experiment: This sub rightly, and for obvious reason, usually only posts stories about the way society makes being a man difficult and shitty. That can get you down after a time. So instead, tell me what you like about masculinity and being a man. Okay, I agree that this anti-discrimination law is very poorly implemented. That still doesn't mean that feminists are anti-sport though?	/r/MensRights	17/08/12 08:07 PM
1	An Experiment: This sub rightly, and for obvious reason, usually only posts stories about the way society makes being a man difficult and shitty. That can get you down after a time. So instead, tell me what you like about masculinity and being a man. ...there have been plenty of feminists going after gaming communities for not being welcoming. It doesn't mean that feminism as a movement is ideologically opposed to, and campaigning against, video games. They certainly see problems with certain video games and video game communities, but they see problems with various jobplaces and non-VG communities as well. It's like saying that feminists are against business because they complain that certain businesses are misogynist.	/r/MensRights	17/08/12 08:04 PM
1	An Experiment: This sub rightly, and for obvious reason, usually only posts stories about the way society makes being a man difficult and shitty. That can get you down after a time. So instead, tell me what you like about masculinity and being a man. He said "I like things like this that feminists don't want me to have". Certainly there is a case to be made that these are things that the government doesn't particularly encourage (or in ways discourage), and that these very same governments are also quite sympathetic towards the feminist movement. But that still doesn't mean that "feminists" are trying to take these things away. "Things that big government doesn't want me to have" might have been more appropriate here.	/r/MensRights	17/08/12 08:02 PM
2	An Experiment: This sub rightly, and for obvious reason, usually only posts stories about the way society makes being a man difficult and shitty. That can get you down after a time. So instead, tell me what you like about masculinity and being a man. I most certainly did not. I'm not denying that there aren't many people out there who dislike violent video games and campaign against them. My point is that the majority of these people are either a) not feminists or b) not wearing their 'feminist hat' when they're doing this campaigning. They just don't like violence being marketed to children (based on the erroneous myth that only children play video games). I may be mistaken, but it also seems like the anti-videogame movement is significantl…	/r/MensRights	17/08/12 07:59 PM
1	An Experiment: This sub rightly, and for obvious reason, usually only posts stories about the way society makes being a man difficult and shitty. That can get you down after a time. So instead, tell me what you like about masculinity and being a man. However, most users still do believe that women are oppressed and have far more (and more important) issues than men do. Like most of the college-educated population? This is hardly an SA-specific phenomenon. And even if SRS was entirely MADE of SA members, that still doesn't say anything about a specific trend on the site. There's enough posters on that board for it to be a good sampling of every facet of modern society. There's probably enough white supremacists on there to found a subreddit a…	/r/MensRights	17/08/12 07:48 PM
-4	An Experiment: This sub rightly, and for obvious reason, usually only posts stories about the way society makes being a man difficult and shitty. That can get you down after a time. So instead, tell me what you like about masculinity and being a man. These observations combined with your idiotic use of stale Internet slang like "lulz" and "oh noez" Yes, because nobody would purposely use stale idioms for rhetorical effect. Nice to see that you went through the effort of digging through my post history, though. Though I am rather intrigued with how being a SA Goon would lead me to considering MRA a "joke perpetrated by closet rapists." I guess because 4chan and SA are both such wonderfully progressive, feminist spaces, as anybody who has ever…	/r/MensRights	17/08/12 01:20 PM
5	Rebecca Watson thinks (rightly) that blaming women for being raped is wrong. Then blames men for being assaulted by women. "Dressing like a slut" doesn't give someone carte blanche to rape you. If a mugger stabs your buddy to steal his wallet you don't tell him "well you shouldn't have been walking around at night with a wallet, now should you?" Everyone would think you're a dick. Not to mention that plenty of women get raped when they're not dressed like sluts and going home with strange men. "Prevention strategies" make it seem like if you do X Y and Z you can't get raped, which is entirely untrue and entirely unf…	/r/MensRights	17/08/12 01:08 PM
36	Was asked to give one example of ways in which sexism hurts men today. I gave several, on of which was selective service. This was the reply. I was told to delete text messages from her in which she admitted her guilt. I was told that discussing the incident with anybody would result in my immediate expulsion and possible criminal proceedings brought against me. Woah. By whom? The rest of your story was bad, but that part's straight fucked up. That's straight-up blackmailing someone into destroying evidence that could potentially be relevant to a criminal or civil suit. Mindboggling. I hope that wasn't the police telling you to do tha…	/r/MensRights	17/08/12 12:59 PM
-5	An Experiment: This sub rightly, and for obvious reason, usually only posts stories about the way society makes being a man difficult and shitty. That can get you down after a time. So instead, tell me what you like about masculinity and being a man. Oh noez, my clever ploy was for naught.	/r/MensRights	17/08/12 12:53 PM
9	An Experiment: This sub rightly, and for obvious reason, usually only posts stories about the way society makes being a man difficult and shitty. That can get you down after a time. So instead, tell me what you like about masculinity and being a man. 1) Big government taxes your cigars because they cause mouth cancer, and are a burden on the health care system. 2) How does this have anything to do with feminism? 3) Lot's of people will tell you not to drink so much. Alcoholism is bad, mmmkay? 4) What's Title IX? 5) Lot's of idiots complain about violence in videogames. Lot's of non-feminists too. They also complained about heavy metal, rock music, and jazz. And D&D. And movies. And South Park. 6) It's illegal to build a fire in your yard bec…	/r/MensRights	17/08/12 12:50 PM
0	An Experiment: This sub rightly, and for obvious reason, usually only posts stories about the way society makes being a man difficult and shitty. That can get you down after a time. So instead, tell me what you like about masculinity and being a man. In many other professions, women have an easier time getting hired or promoted simply because they are women, due to affirmative action-type policies. And that's what's difficult and shitty about being a man. Not the point of this thread.	/r/MensRights	17/08/12 12:43 PM
3	seperated from wife. she's accusing me of being violent. i know this is common. any tips? Fair, I'm just saying be careful. Tempers flare, and it's really easy to do stuff that can come back and bite you in the ass. In lot's of the family cases I read it's luckily spread evenly enough across both sides to largely even out, but it's still not something you wanna chance. Sorry if I came across as a dick, though. Was not my intention.	/r/MensRights	17/08/12 12:27 PM
-2	An Experiment: This sub rightly, and for obvious reason, usually only posts stories about the way society makes being a man difficult and shitty. That can get you down after a time. So instead, tell me what you like about masculinity and being a man. I'm onto you. lulz I don't know if you're denying those sorts of things happen at all, or just thinking I'm trying to assert that it's more common than it is, but you're naive if you're suggesting it doesn't still happen at all. If I'm not mistaken, this is a thread where the point is specifically to NOT talk about the ways in which society makes it difficult for men. One of the ways we have it easy is in not having to deal with the ways in which society makes it difficult for women. Lots of pro…	/r/MensRights	17/08/12 12:24 PM
3	A petition for important change in Canada "Mancouver"? WTF?	/r/MensRights	17/08/12 12:04 PM
3	Feminist writer is upset because a major newspaper dares to criticise some aspects of feminism. Did anybody read the article she's bashing though? It's pretty awful. There are so many bullshit connections that the author is making that I don't even know where to start picking them apart. Not to mention that he's not even really criticizing feminism, just the "sexual revolution". Which apparently has resulted in more pedophilia? I highly doubt that Helen Gurley Brown is to blame for internet pornography.	/r/MensRights	17/08/12 11:58 AM
-1	An Experiment: This sub rightly, and for obvious reason, usually only posts stories about the way society makes being a man difficult and shitty. That can get you down after a time. So instead, tell me what you like about masculinity and being a man. People blame joblessness on all sorts of offensive shit all the time. People are unemployed because the poor are stupid, or because black people are lazy, or because asians are taking all the good jobs, or because college grads are too entitled, or whatever other obnoxious bullshit is the punching bag of the month. A few articles blaming video games for stuff does not a feminist conspiracy make.	/r/MensRights	17/08/12 11:48 AM
6	seperated from wife. she's accusing me of being violent. i know this is common. any tips? i confronted her and told her she can no longer talk to any males (because she had cheated on me once before) or she can leave. she chose to leave. now she is trying to get a restraining order on me saying i am violent to her and my kids. i have waited on this woman hand and foot to try to make her happy and now this. Like...at all? Because that sounds kind of unreasonable buddy, sorry to say. Tensions tend to get pretty high in these sorts of conflicts, and it's really easy to let your emotions…	/r/MensRights	17/08/12 11:40 AM
-7	An Experiment: This sub rightly, and for obvious reason, usually only posts stories about the way society makes being a man difficult and shitty. That can get you down after a time. So instead, tell me what you like about masculinity and being a man. Much of the stuff I love about being a guy is just not having to deal with some of the sexist-old-boys-club bullshit that women have to deal with, especially in business. I love how much easier it is for guys to make inroads with the corporate "inner circle". It seems like the guys will be accepted if you're not a tool and can crack some dirty jokes (especially a sexist one or two on the sly). Not that you don't also have to be good at what you do, but it seems easier to buy that little bit of w…	/r/MensRights	17/08/12 11:28 AM
29	An Experiment: This sub rightly, and for obvious reason, usually only posts stories about the way society makes being a man difficult and shitty. That can get you down after a time. So instead, tell me what you like about masculinity and being a man. You really think feminists are trying to take away your cigars, whiskey, or video games? Huh?	/r/MensRights	17/08/12 11:16 AM
6	Are you fucking kidding me? This has always bothered the shit out of me. The idiot internet feminists do. Actual, respectable feminist scholars talk in broad strokes, trends, and prevailing social norms, not cherry picking bad examples and circle jerking about them. If you want the other side you can pick out the continued success of Chris Brown, or adored icons like Sean Connery who has gone on the record to say it's okay to hit women if "they deserve it"...say by "insisting on having the last word in an argument". Are these songs obnoxious and sexist? Obviously. Th…	/r/MensRights	17/08/12 11:12 AM
1	Ex-wife is a dirt bag and neglect our kids. She tells court that I have a history of violence and the court sides with her. So bad... This is why I'm corporate law all the way. I'll make rich people richer all day and sleep like a baby at night. Who needs that kind of anguish in their lives...	/r/MensRights	16/08/12 08:46 AM
1	Ex-wife is a dirt bag and neglect our kids. She tells court that I have a history of violence and the court sides with her. Family law is fucking nasty business. I have a huge amount of respect for the lawyers who are capable of doing that day in and day out. As much as you try to be a dispassionate advocate for your clients, it's pretty tough to keep that stuff from spilling across the barriers you put up. The whole system needs some serious overhaul. There is no area of law that is more negatively impacted by the adversarial system than family law.	/r/MensRights	15/08/12 10:16 PM
1	Ex-wife is a dirt bag and neglect our kids. She tells court that I have a history of violence and the court sides with her. Unless your ex is a murdering, drug-addicted sociopath there is literally nothing you can do that is going to get her out of yours and your children's lives completely. Sooner or later you're going to have to bury the hatchet with her, or else this custody dispute is going to drag on for a decade. That's going to cost you tens of thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) of dollars, not to mention untold amounts of mental anguish. Sorry to basically tell you to "suck it up and play ball", but it'…	/r/MensRights	15/08/12 08:12 AM
1	What do you all think of my take on feminists vs MRAs? First page of google search. It's really not difficult to find. Sounds like a lot of work When people expect you to sink or swim under your own power... You should cry more. And while you can't erase a fact of nature, we should educate the justice system about its own bias, since it is supposedly impartial. Considering the rather obscene racial differentials observable in the prison system, there is no question that the justice system is not impartial. There are many great judges who have dedica…	/r/MensRights	23/05/12 09:49 PM
1	What do you all think of my take on feminists vs MRAs? Then put that issue forward, don't keep making arguments against a hypothetical mandatory procedure no one else suggested. "Default and routine" is not so far from the same thing. It is an intrusion by the state into the private lives of citizens, and for a purpose that is at best tenuously connected to the means. What you are proposing is a presumption in favour of testing for infidelity or, for unmarried couples, for deceit. It's an insulting violation of privacy. "Sir, we are going to perform…	/r/MensRights	22/05/12 09:13 PM
1	What do you all think of my take on feminists vs MRAs? No, they also happen in cases where the parents were never married. Where fatherhood is even more at issue. Remember, the initial point was that your 20% number suffered from a selection bias. For the third time, the only one who's talking about mandating it in this conversation is you. I am proposing making it default and routine, so it would be done unless one or both of the parents declines it. Yes, and I have an issue with it being the default. Insurance ought to cover it, and at least some …	/r/MensRights	22/05/12 09:24 AM
1	What do you all think of my take on feminists vs MRAs? ... paternity is stipulated to but the court requires a test anyway. Except even still, those would only be occurring in cases of marital breakdown, where one would expect infidelity to be more likely. We know it's above zero. Probably, but that still doesn't make this a worthwhile policy. We can't afford that to rectify a massive injustice? It's still the US government's annual expenditure on Planned Parenthood. The question isn't whether it's a significant portion of the government budget, but…	/r/MensRights	21/05/12 07:23 PM
1	What do you all think of my take on feminists vs MRAs? Which happened right at the time people started wondering how to make girls bridge the educational gender gap, while pushing for single-gender classes, because "gender is just a social construct". Good intentions, road, Hell. Ring any bells? Correlation != causation. Everything I've read points to the education gap appearing far earlier on, as a result of (largely budgetary-driven) changes to elementary and middle-school education. The focus is shifting towards book learning, and away from the m…	/r/MensRights	21/05/12 07:14 PM
1	Why is it that men don't have reproductive rights, only responsiblities? Indeed. There's a reason such laws haven't been implemented by Canada and other countries. My point was that the policy objective of these laws is to prevent infanticide, rather than a more general purpose in respect of reproductive rights.	/r/MensRights	21/05/12 06:46 PM
1	What do you all think of my take on feminists vs MRAs? Because 20% or more of paternity tests currently taken turn up negative? Selection bias. Currently, paternity tests are only taken when paternity is at issue. Because every single heartbreaking story of a guy who finds out his kid isn't his could have been avoided with a $100 test? Sounded more like $600-800 when I looked it up? Regardless, there are ~4 million births in the US every year. That's $400 million at $100/shot, and $2.4 billion at $600 in the US alone. That's money that could be bett…	/r/MensRights	21/05/12 06:39 PM
1	What do you all think of my take on feminists vs MRAs? Kill two birds with one stone. Plus, I notice you ignored the health reason pertaining to the child. STD testing is a risk pertaining to the child. Infidelity is not. No, that's just a side effect. It's a verification of a legally binding relationship that up until a few short years ago had to be taken on faith. We don't have to take it on faith anymore. So why should we? Why shouldn't we? In most cases, the parents can pay for it, and never notice-- it's an $100 test tacked onto a several thous…	/r/MensRights	21/05/12 12:37 AM
1	What do you all think of my take on feminists vs MRAs? Bullshit. Completely aside from the child(ren) in question, poly is fine if all parties are aware of what's going on and give informed consent on the risk. There is necessarily more risk the more partners you have. So a person who is in what they think is a monogamous relationship deserves to know if they have potentially been exposed. I know several people, male and female, who found out a partner was cheating by coming up positive themselves for an STD. You're stretching. This is an argument f…	/r/MensRights	20/05/12 09:22 PM
1	What do you all think of my take on feminists vs MRAs? The Holocaust is a matter of historical, documented fact. Women have been denied the vote in this century. That's a historical fact as well. We are still a long way away from erasing the prejudicial legacy of millennia-old social norms. Some feminists oppose this on the grounds that it's "misogynistic" because it assumes all women are unfaithful and/or liars. I don't see how it's any more misogynistic than routine HIV testing at birth, which is mandatory in my state. Does that assume all women a…	/r/MensRights	19/05/12 11:11 PM
1	What do you all think of my take on feminists vs MRAs? Do we have 90% of governmental programs geared toward men? How exactly are you defining government programs in order to reach that number? A education system catering to male needs? This is a recent development, but the evidence does point to boys and young men being left behind by changes to the education program. A higher rate of employment? Unemployment figures only count those people actively looking for jobs, not those who have dropped out of the workforce or are underemployed. Does every o…	/r/MensRights	19/05/12 10:52 PM
1	What do you all think of my take on feminists vs MRAs? Do men give birth? Do men breastfeed (yes, I know, men can lactate, but it's hardly common)? Do you know how hard it is to have to drop everything for a minimum of 6-8 weeks to give birth and potentially recover from major surgery? Are you saying women must, in the name of equality, feed their babies formula? With 9 months of notice, it's not that hard to take a month or two off. As for formula, there are breast pumps now, so formula isn't a necessity either. But much more importantly, women aro…	/r/MensRights	19/05/12 06:18 PM
1	Why is it that men don't have reproductive rights, only responsiblities? One is that in some cases, the courts will actively try to deny custody to the father ... This is what I've found too, both reading family law cases and working with poverty law organizations. However, this is still an issue for positive rights reinforcement towards natural fathers. Natural fathers need more and better opportunities to claim custody of their children, rather than more opportunities to opt-out. "Safe haven" provisions are meant to prevent children from being murdered,<sup>1</sup>…	/r/MensRights	19/05/12 05:51 PM
1	Why is it that men don't have reproductive rights, only responsiblities? Despite what the law says, no woman who gives up a child is ever forced to pay - even if the father later gets custody. You will be unable to provide even one example proving me wrong. Here's one As for consent to adoption - in reality, it is not needed. What the law says is of course irrelevant. Flagging this for further study. So far, in the cases I've found the rights of the natural father have been overruled by concerns about the best interests of the child (court determined the adoptive par…	/r/MensRights	18/05/12 10:28 PM
1	What do you all think of my take on feminists vs MRAs? Yet all we hear is discrimination, rape culture, glass ceiling, toxic masculinity, male privilege and snide "Yeah, what about teh menz?" remarks. I don't think mainstream feminism is what you think it is. These things all stem from social norms. Mainstream feminism does not believe in an overarching misogynist conspiracy. It believes in a legacy of social norms enforcing a male-centric workforce and power structure. Playing on male guilt and feminist victim politics was all that was needed to de…	/r/MensRights	18/05/12 07:08 PM
1	Why is it that men don't have reproductive rights, only responsiblities? You are misinformed. Due to female privilege, no women has ever been forced to pay or care for a child she never wanted, even if the child was born. Only if she abandons the child, in which case neither party is paying for child support. Also in BC, the father must consent to the adoption of a child under 12 years of age under s. 13(1)(c) of the Adoption Act. Unless I am misinformed, the rest of Canada is largely similar. There are no safe haven laws in Canada.	/r/MensRights	18/05/12 06:57 PM
0	Why is it that men don't have reproductive rights, only responsiblities? Many jurisdictions, including my own, have a requirement that the father be notified before the surrender of a child can take place. If a father were to take custody, the woman would be required to pay child support in exactly the same manner. There are indeed certain gendered nuances to this process, but the most basic principle is that both parents must consent to surrendering the child before this ex-post "opt out" can occur. Thus the only true "advantage" women have in this area is that, wit…	/r/MensRights	18/05/12 02:56 PM
1	What do you all think of my take on feminists vs MRAs? Their value is their utility, and a man with no utility has no value. That is a tremendous motivation to climb the social ladder, as you can imagine. We do not live in Stalinist Russia, there are no Soviet ghulags forcing people to work these dangerous jobs. People do so because they are compensated well, and because they undervalue the risk to their lives in comparison to other people. And when even when you fail, you can expect people to pity you and extend some help towards you? There is more…	/r/MensRights	18/05/12 02:44 PM
1	Why is it that men don't have reproductive rights, only responsiblities? Vasectomy.	/r/MensRights	18/05/12 09:58 AM
1	Why is it that men don't have reproductive rights, only responsiblities? There's a healthy attitude; let me know how that works out for you.	/r/MensRights	18/05/12 09:39 AM
0	Why is it that men don't have reproductive rights, only responsiblities? Lalalalalaal not listening Was fun chatting with you then.	/r/MensRights	18/05/12 09:03 AM
2	Why is it that men don't have reproductive rights, only responsiblities? Abortion is a surgical procedure, which has risks of complications or adverse side effects. Taking a DNA test is as simple as providing a blood sample, which is for all intents and purposes risk-free. Individual liberties are not an inviolate shield against common sense. If paternity can be solved with a $600 test, there is no reason to waste hours of the courts time arguing circles around it instead. As for understanding bodily autonomy, it is you who are unfortunately mistaken. The court may m…	/r/MensRights	18/05/12 08:42 AM
-1	Why is it that men don't have reproductive rights, only responsiblities? When a woman can choose to abort a fetus, it is not yet legally a human being. Once that child has been brought into the world, it is legally a human being. You're saying that men should be able to opt out of caring for such a child just because we're biologically unable to abort them.	/r/MensRights	18/05/12 03:17 AM
1	What do you all think of my take on feminists vs MRAs? I find it much easier to see how society constrains men ... Women are "underrepresented" in top executive positions largely because many women choose to have children. That, right there, is a way in which society constrains women. Do male executives not also have children? Who's taking care of their kids if they're working 100+ hour weeks? Parental leave is just as available to men as it is to women, but the expectation is that women will be the ones who take it. That oppresses both men who want…	/r/MensRights	18/05/12 02:10 AM
0	Why is it that men don't have reproductive rights, only responsiblities? You're effectively talking about court-mandated abortions here. There is absolutely no way that any law allowing such a thing would withstand a constitutional challenge. That's on the same level as forced sterilization for the mentally ill. As for opting out of child support, you are completely ignoring the fact that there is now a child in the equation. Unless that child is surrendered to the state, both parents have a legal and moral responsibility to care for that child. Fathers being able to…	/r/MensRights	18/05/12 01:58 AM
4	Why is it that men don't have reproductive rights, only responsiblities? To be fair, this law probably saves a good number of children from being dropped in dumpsters to die by frightened/traumatized/irresponsible mothers. There is a compelling argument that this is more important than the fathers denied custody of children they never knew they had.	/r/MensRights	18/05/12 01:44 AM
2	Why is it that men don't have reproductive rights, only responsiblities? Rights are a legal fiction. There is nothing at all "inherent" about them. The only "rights" we have are those which our legal system conveys upon us, and even then we only enjoy them to the extent that they can be enforced. The 'right' to bodily integrity is a well-established principle of the common law, but it is subject to caveats and exceptions just like any other legal principle.	/r/MensRights	18/05/12 01:39 AM
2	Why is it that men don't have reproductive rights, only responsiblities? Providing blood samples for DNA testing is neither dangerous nor unduly invasive. There is no reason for the already taxed family law system to have to jump hurdles to determine paternity when there is already an easy, reliable, and relatively affordable solution. Paternity tests cost in the area of $600-800 dollars, every hour of the court's time costs several times more than that.	/r/MensRights	18/05/12 01:31 AM
1	Why is it that men don't have reproductive rights, only responsiblities? In the Canada and the UK, the court can order paternity tests in cases where parentage is at issue. "Innocent until proven guilty" does not extend to civil law matters, including the determination of paternity. Such matters are decided on a "balance of probabilities" approach.	/r/MensRights	18/05/12 01:28 AM
4	Why is it that men don't have reproductive rights, only responsiblities? False	/r/MensRights	18/05/12 01:20 AM
1	What do you all think of my take on feminists vs MRAs? What they are all influenced by -- and what sets the tone for all components of the feminist movement -- is the ideology of male dominance. A hundred years ago women in North America couldn't even vote. Only a single of Canada's 22 prime ministers was female, she was unelected, and her time in office lasted not even half a year. The United States has never had a female president. Only 21.2% of Canada's current Parliament is female. There have only been 277 female congressional representatives in…	/r/MensRights	18/05/12 01:07 AM
1	What do you all think of my take on feminists vs MRAs? We aren't the ones saying "We'll address men's issues after we take care of women's issues." So basically, "if they can do it, so can we." One does not need to attack all of feminism in order to address specific areas where they are wrong, or causing problems. Rejecting feminism in its entirety is like denying the holocaust in order to decry the treatment of Palestinians. It's all very well and good for you to say "men and women are both oppressed"..., but that is not the consensus of most femin…	/r/MensRights	18/05/12 12:07 AM
1	What do you all think of my take on feminists vs MRAs? Grassroots movements, once they get big enough, still need leadership. The civil rights movement had leaders, and certainly it still has its champions, but when a grassroots movement gets mainstream enough it loses the cohesion and direction that it had in its infancy; it is simply too large for a single set of viewpoints to steer it in any one direction. Feminism means a lot of different things to a lot of different people. As far as we can tell, most of feminism will never acknowledge any equa…	/r/MensRights	17/05/12 08:02 PM
1	What do you all think of my take on feminists vs MRAs? "History," as a concept, does not rely on ideology or theories. Are you saying feminism is not an ideology? Feminism is an ideology in the way that being "right wing" or "left wing" is an ideology: it's perhaps useful when drawing out the lines of battle, but otherwise comprising of so many disparate views as to be a largely meaningless label. With feminism, what all those disparate views have in common is an idea that women ought to have equal rights to men. Some of its most vocal proponents do…	/r/MensRights	17/05/12 02:04 AM
1	What do you all think of my take on feminists vs MRAs? I'm a woman, and I find it very easy to see how society constrains men. I did not say impossible, I said more difficult. Then perhaps explain why feminists refuse to eliminate-- in fact, are still pushing-- affirmative action for women in higher education, even though women both enrolling and graduating from college outnumber men now by a significant margin? Women might be entering and exiting college in higher numbers, but they still make up a minority of faculty in universities, and are underr…	/r/MensRights	16/05/12 11:14 PM
1	What do you all think of my take on feminists vs MRAs? Then I go back to, how are there textbooks on feminist theory? How are there references and classes on it? If feminism is so diverse as to encompass literal opposites and complete contradictions, how is "feminism" even a useful word at all anymore? Historians contradict each other all the time, yet history textbooks are written and taught to classes all the time. "Feminism" is a useful word only insofar as it describes a movement towards equal treatment for women. However what that means, and ho…	/r/MensRights	16/05/12 10:23 PM
2	What do you all think of my take on feminists vs MRAs? Which areas would those be? The distortions of privilege cut both ways. While it is easy for women to see the ways in which our society constrains women, it is more difficult for one to see how groups other than oneself's might be affected. Certainly some feminists will be violently opposed to working on improving men's rights when there is still so much further to go in women's (or minority) rights, but others will readily accept that the same social constructs that affect them affect men as we…	/r/MensRights	16/05/12 08:32 PM
1	What do you all think of my take on feminists vs MRAs? Feminism is a broad, mainstream movement, encompassing academics from every major institution in the western world, to disparate advocates in every major profession or industry group. To characterize the entirety of the movement on the basis of a few lobbyist groups, writers, or speakers is a gross oversimplification. You're assuming that because a few vocal mouthpieces exhibit misandry, then the whole movement is also inherently misandrist. That is indeed a fallacy.	/r/MensRights	16/05/12 08:21 PM
1	What do you all think of my take on feminists vs MRAs? The same could be said of this movement. 'Feminism' is a mainstream movement, and like the minority-rights movement can no longer be said to have its direction dictated by a small number of 'leaders'. There are strong proponents of women's rights in nearly every major profession, and in every university faculty in the western world. To say that they are all controlled by a few vocal mouthpieces or lobby groups is a gross oversimplification.	/r/MensRights	16/05/12 08:16 PM
1	What do you all think of my take on feminists vs MRAs? Well... yes. If the leaders are corrupt misandrists, that brings the whole movement into question, now, doesn't it? No, it doesn't.	/r/MensRights	16/05/12 04:27 AM
0	What do you all think of my take on feminists vs MRAs? Well reasoned arguments followed by an excellent, and unexpected, There Will Be Blood reference. 10/10, would read again.	/r/MensRights	16/05/12 04:22 AM
1	What do you all think of my take on feminists vs MRAs? Gender egalitarianism cannot be achieved without feminism losing a lot of political power. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." So long as MRA continue to ignore the many areas they have in common with the feminist movement, they will continue to be marginalized by the much larger, much more established movement. And that will be to the detriment of gender equity as a whole, whose true opponents are the traditionalist dinosaurs who don't believe there is a problem at all.	/r/MensRights	16/05/12 04:14 AM
1	Open letter to feminists, but MRA should take notice. Just because dangerous jobs bring up the average doesn't mean the "male role" is more dangerous. Office workers don't get 'danger pay'. And a lower rate of reproduction than whom, exactly? Few men know how to make TVs, cars, and laptop computers on their own. Participating in the organized workforce gives one access to the fruits of specialized labour. More earning power means more consuming power. Men clearly enjoy consumption, otherwise they wouldn't be consuming. Some men choose to opt out of…	/r/MensRights	12/05/12 12:32 AM
1	What's up MensRights. Long time no visit. Was just disgusted reading this article, Mensrights came up. I'm an atheist myself, and honestly the level of hostility drove me off very quickly. This is exactly what I'm saying. /r/atheism was on a high horse after they had a couple successful charity drives, and would brag about what a great community they were. Except, as the author said, they would regularly ostracize their own female members (in addition to being condescending assholes to everyone else). I'm atheist too (also non-US), and /r/atheism was the first subreddit I unsubscribed from.	/r/MensRights	11/05/12 04:31 PM
2	Feminism has convinced this man to hate himself [X-post OneY] 58% male - 37% female. 78% white.. I doubt there are many more women in twoX/oneY, or any other similar site. Reddit is a massive sausage-fest.	/r/MensRights	11/05/12 03:40 AM
5	Feminism has convinced this man to hate himself [X-post OneY] I would say >90% of the posters are women. I don't know about that. They did a user poll on SRS and even there the majority of the posters were male (and white, IIRC). I'll try to dig it up.	/r/MensRights	11/05/12 03:10 AM
14	Feminism has convinced this man to hate himself [X-post OneY] It's possible for a culture to discriminate against both men and women at the same time, albeit in different ways. "Women in the home, men in the workplace" oppresses both women who are trying to attain career advancement at the same time as it oppresses men who wish to stay in the home. The myriad ways in which our culture reinforces different stereotypes is very complex, and touches on pretty much every aspect of our society. Most people experience discrimination of one type or another as a re…	/r/MensRights	11/05/12 03:08 AM
0	TIL that Suicide is Greater Among Divorced Men. Men who are divorced are 39 percent more likely to commit suicide than those still married. "Default" arrangements have problems too. It makes it much more difficult for someone to separate from an abusive or neglectful spouse. The "Lexus" solution would be a system that allows enough nuance to assess the situation re: parenting as early as possible in the divorce process, if an amicable solution cannot be determined by the parents. The interests of the children should always be the primary concern. It's them, and not the parents, who the system is designed to protect.	/r/MensRights	11/05/12 02:50 AM
1	[x-post from r/wtf] Rape prevention tips finds its way to man's house Wow, you're totally right! Let's all go talk about it on our online rights-oriented subreddit of choice.	/r/MensRights	11/05/12 02:13 AM
1	Open letter to feminists, but MRA should take notice. People risk death all the time. We all do it, every time we leave our house. Some people take on more risk than others, but we all do it to an extent. The way to put a value on that risk is to assess how much people are willing to expend to avoid or mitigate it. So why don't they? Again, it requires an assumption that I do not agree is true (that women value consumption more than men). As for why, the logical answer is that they are somehow constrained from doing so. Otherwise women would be mak…	/r/MensRights	11/05/12 01:55 AM
1	Justice for my son!(a father trying to gain custody after the mother had his son circumcised without consent) That story was a complete rambling, incoherent mess. People like that are exactly why I would never go into family law practice. If even half of his story is true, he should absolutely win custody. However experience leads me to believe that her side of the story would paint him as just as much of a lowlife. Circumcising a child is a fairly serious (and discretionary) medical procedure though, and there is absolutely no excuse for one spouse to force such a procedure on a child without the other…	/r/MensRights	11/05/12 01:28 AM
3	Divorce courts mirror society as more women pay alimony So when those women get divorced, do they still get alimony? Or are couples where the wife out-earns the husband simply less likely to get divorced? If men have to pay more alimony regardless of their wife's earning capacity, certainly that is evidence of gynocentrism. Otherwise, it is not necessarily.	/r/MensRights	11/05/12 01:18 AM
1	Divorce courts mirror society as more women pay alimony No worries. The article is very vague on how measurable the increase is, but the existence of a trend was not. Which, of course, is only understandable given that women's earning power has been increasing steadily.	/r/MensRights	11/05/12 01:13 AM
1	What's up MensRights. Long time no visit. Was just disgusted reading this article, Mensrights came up. typical SRS-like butthurt commentary about Reddit being full of assholes Isn't that exactly what this subreddit is all about? You know, how the aggregation of people's prejudices can detrimentally affect a certain group? Though more importantly, /r/athiesm holds itself out to be this really respectful, intelligent, thoughtful community. The fact that many of its posters display exactly the opposite traits towards a certain subset of the population is certainly cause for criticism.	/r/MensRights	11/05/12 01:10 AM
1	What's up MensRights. Long time no visit. Was just disgusted reading this article, Mensrights came up. A list of things she subjectively found offensive, though. She's entitled to her opinion about r/mensrights, just as she is entitled to her opinion about any of the others. r/mensrights is also the only one of those which isn't offensive to her for obvious reasons, so I think the link actually helped to separate MR from the others. "This is why I hate MR, and it's not because they post jailbait or pictures of dead people."	/r/MensRights	11/05/12 01:04 AM
1	What's up MensRights. Long time no visit. Was just disgusted reading this article, Mensrights came up. To be fair, that poster actually did actually call for the murder of women. That shit is not cool, regardless of the opinion being only representative of the views of that one poster.	/r/MensRights	11/05/12 01:01 AM
1	Open letter to feminists, but MRA should take notice. You could measure that track by the number of times the workers urinated too, that still doesn't infer a causal relationship. Death is not a requirement of the system, it is an undesired consequence of dangerous activity. Men invest in the system because it allows them to enjoy a higher level of utility than they could acquire working on their own. You either get material goods(more attractive to women in general) or a title(not attractive to men who don't care about earning identities.) "Consum…	/r/MensRights	11/05/12 12:44 AM
1	Yesterday President Obama came out in favor of same-sex marriages. This is monumental. However, fellow MRA, how many of you think we'll be able to reform current marriage laws anytime soon? Just because laws favoured maternal custody didn't mean that feminists have been managing family reform since 200 years ago. It just means that people who believe that maternal custody is superior have been doing it, many of whom are not feminists.	/r/MensRights	11/05/12 12:19 AM
1	Yesterday President Obama came out in favor of same-sex marriages. This is monumental. However, fellow MRA, how many of you think we'll be able to reform current marriage laws anytime soon? That doesn't demonstrate women controlling family law, only women being given preference in family law. Remember, this is from a time where pretty much everyone thought that women should be in the home raising kids, and men should be in the workplace winning the bread. A preference for maternal custody is just the natural extension of that into divorce. As Filo said, women couldn't even vote back then, let alone write the laws.	/r/MensRights	11/05/12 12:17 AM
1	Divorce courts mirror society as more women pay alimony 50% still said there was an increase, which reflects that the trend is towards more women paying alimony.	/r/MensRights	10/05/12 11:59 PM
2	Divorce courts mirror society as more women pay alimony Only in an utterly gynocentric society could men still be paying 90% or more of all alimony and have this be framed as "the tables being turned" That only logically follows if, for >90% of those separated couples, the higher-income earner was not also male. Any society in which substantially all male-female pairings have the male as the higher earner is not so obviously gyno-centric as you are asserting.	/r/MensRights	10/05/12 11:54 PM
1	Sex Tourism vs Romance Vacations: “Real Women Don’t Buy Boys” Indeed, though it's still not true consent. I agree that prostituting 10 year olds is a far more heinous crime than prostituting 14 year olds, though both are despicable as far as I'm concerned. Taking advantage of subsistence prostitution1 is pretty wrong as well, though I have no issue with prostitution among consenting adults more generally. 1 This might not be the right term, but the correct one slips my mind at the moment.	/r/MensRights	10/05/12 11:40 PM
1	Open letter to feminists, but MRA should take notice. In many instances men were giving their lives up, not risking them. Many, not most. I'm also not arguing that nobody ever makes a decision to sacrifice their life for society, what I disagree with is that our entire modern social structure is predicated on it.	/r/MensRights	10/05/12 11:31 PM
1	Sex Tourism vs Romance Vacations: “Real Women Don’t Buy Boys” Depends on whether or not they're considered old enough to give informed consent. A teenager "consenting" to a life of prostitution versus an adult doing so are very different, especially because there's a very large likelihood it's also taking advantage of the teen's vulnerability. A 15-year-old doesn't go into prostitution because it will look good on his/her college application...	/r/MensRights	10/05/12 11:24 PM
1	Open letter to feminists, but MRA should take notice. You can say they are somehow rewarded, but with what? More important than the reward for giving one's life is the reward for risking it. In Roman society, the legion was one of the best ways for a common citizen to achieve personal advancement. "Eagles don't catch flies" they said, meaning that those who had achieved personal distinction in the military would find themselves a good life afterwards. Of course there are social pressures to participate as well. To maintain the created value means p…	/r/MensRights	10/05/12 08:35 PM
1	Colorado lawmaker jokes about reducing boys' sexual pleasure to prevent teen pregnancy. I'd be more interested to know how they controlled for any of the myriad confounding factors that could be influencing that outcome, and the methodology used by the researchers. That's a pretty bold conclusion.	/r/MensRights	10/05/12 08:01 PM
1	Open letter to feminists, but MRA should take notice. Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you. Deuteronomy 22:21 Or: "Jordan, perhaps the best country to illustrate this, has a significant problem with honour killings because it is de facto justified by law. Gendercide watch explains," According to Article 340 of the criminal co…	/r/MensRights	10/05/12 09:49 AM
1	Open letter to feminists, but MRA should take notice. Jewish people had access to other opportunities, offsetting somewhat those to which they were denied (economically speaking, that is). Other groups, like aboriginals, were not so lucky. Other groups, like japanese immigrants and their children interned during WWII, faced other problems. So no, it is not.	/r/MensRights	10/05/12 01:48 AM
1	Open letter to feminists, but MRA should take notice. But so does the possibility of men creating value through the power structure. In a true meritocracy, every individual's value is the value they can add to society. In any other system, an individual is also compensated for some unearned "inherent value", ostensibly connected to some trait that individual was born with (noble ancestry, physical characteristics, etc.). All you're saying is that women also have a value-add merely by virtue of their ability to give birth. I do not see how your argu…	/r/MensRights	09/05/12 09:47 PM
1	Open letter to feminists, but MRA should take notice. Yet economic circumstances... are only loosely connected to one's ethnic background If a certain racial group has historically been denied access to certain opportunities correlated with wealth accumulation (such as higher education), there is an intergenerational effect suppressing that group's economic status. That is, if your parents were denied opportunities to make more money, they will likely have less money. And if your parents have less money, you are statistically less likely to achieve…	/r/MensRights	09/05/12 09:25 PM
1	Open letter to feminists, but MRA should take notice. How is 'normalcy' defined then, is the issue. Is it not unfettered access to the power structure? Meaning that a lack of "normal" access would be a lack of privilege, and therefore diminished access to the benefits of society.	/r/MensRights	09/05/12 09:13 PM
1	I May be Going to Debtor's Prison No, Child support is based on a theoretical ability to pay. Get unemployed and can't afford a lawyer to tell the court your broke? "To bad, so sad. You're a man pay up anyway." The adversarial system for family law is miles from ideal. There's pretty widespread recognition in my jurisdiction that it needs to be overhauled. I've read that a contested divorce with assets and no children can cost some $250,000 in legal fees alone, which isn't hard to do at $250-350 an hour for both sides. As for jo…	/r/MensRights	09/05/12 05:47 PM
1	Open letter to feminists, but MRA should take notice. Competency is a subjective determination. Employers make all sorts of discriminations when choosing candidates, as to what kinds of marks they want, what sorts of degrees, what schools they prefer over others, what sorts of work experience are relevant. That's normal and natural. They just shouldn't also be able to add gender/race/sexual orientation/disabilities (that don't affect job performance) to that list of criteria. That's why they're "prohibited grounds of discrimination". As for the res…	/r/MensRights	09/05/12 05:38 PM
2	Open letter to feminists, but MRA should take notice. Huzzah!	/r/MensRights	09/05/12 08:48 AM
2	Open letter to feminists, but MRA should take notice. You're right, we have slowly reshaped our arguments until they aligned. That's the closest one can get to a 'win' in internet arguments.	/r/MensRights	09/05/12 07:36 AM
1	Open letter to feminists, but MRA should take notice. O would that my mother had never borne me, that I had died before and that I were forgotten [so] tremendous disaster such as had never happened before, and which struck all the world, though the Muslims above all . . . Dadjdjal [Muslim Anti-Christ] will at least spare those who adhere to him, and will only destroy his adversaries. These [Mongols], however, spared none. They killed women, men, children, ripped open the bodies of the pregnant and slaughtered the unborn (Spuler, 1972, pp. 290). Tha…	/r/MensRights	09/05/12 07:28 AM
1	Open letter to feminists, but MRA should take notice. Indeed. Now what the hell were we talking about originally? Lol.	/r/MensRights	09/05/12 07:01 AM
1	Open letter to feminists, but MRA should take notice. "Fodder" soldiers were still soldiers, and armed and trained to be such. They may have received less training or lower quality equipment than the "regular" soldiers, but few societies had access to the kind of manpower to make any part of their military so valueless as to be utterly expendable. Shields make better shields against arrows than humans do. Light infantry, such as the Roman Velites or Spartan use of helots as skirmishers (or later as full hoplites), were still armed and played an imp…	/r/MensRights	09/05/12 04:08 AM
1	Open letter to feminists, but MRA should take notice. "Privilege" isn't really about having it better or worse, it's about access to the power structure. The indicia I refer to generally point to men having more access than women, as an extremely broad blanket statement. All that really means is that there's still work to be done, and that the proactive measures in place are justified. When you really deconstruct it, it does indeed turn out to be ethereal. "Women" and "men" are much too broad as groupings to be able to meaningfully analyze their co…	/r/MensRights	09/05/12 03:19 AM
2	Open letter to feminists, but MRA should take notice. Nutritional?	/r/MensRights	09/05/12 03:07 AM
2	Open letter to feminists, but MRA should take notice. Positive discrimination exists to counter-balance inherent cultural discriminations. That's the whole point. They're "hand-up" programs, designed to help correct the legacies of historical disenfranchisement, or larger social biases and prejudices. Pay equity programs exist, because anti-female employment biases exist. It's not about eliminating gender. It's about eliminating discrimination based on gender. If a woman wants to become a lawyer, she should make as much as an equally qualified male…	/r/MensRights	09/05/12 02:27 AM
1	Open letter to feminists, but MRA should take notice. For the record, I've not downvoted you either. edit: and I respect and appreciate your position on downvoting.	/r/MensRights	09/05/12 02:19 AM
1	Open letter to feminists, but MRA should take notice. Feminists call it 'objectification'. It's valuing women for their sexuality and reproductive ability. ... What is men's inherent value? Their martial and labor capacity? For certain upper classes their abilities to lead, and their innate superiority to the common man? Their capacity for reason, which women "lack"? There are all kinds of imaginary and constructed values people place upon themselves to put themselves above others. How is this innate value of "objectification" any more substantial …	/r/MensRights	09/05/12 02:18 AM
1	Open letter to feminists, but MRA should take notice. How exactly are you defining this "innate value" that women have and men lack? The hierarchy exists because some sort of hierarchy is necessary for any functional advanced society. I don't see how the hierarchy of our Western societies are necessarily predicated on a lack any inherent value on males.	/r/MensRights	09/05/12 01:23 AM
0	Open letter to feminists, but MRA should take notice. Physiological reasons for why the trends existed at all, but at some point it is social reasons that they are perpetuated. There may have been a reason to deny women from being soldiers, but the same reason doesn't hold for leading soldiers. Few advanced warrior societies had commanders who naturally rose up through the ranks. Most of the time, it was class reasons that placed one in command. For example, Julius Caesar spent practically every winter in Italy, while his troops remained camped on …	/r/MensRights	09/05/12 01:01 AM
1	Open letter to feminists, but MRA should take notice. It's still in there. The relative distribution of privilege relies to an extent on the relative value one places on different advantages and disadvantages (and of course on how one defines privilege). However I don't feel uncomfortable in asserting that male privilege carries objectively more benefit than does female privilege (which redirects to Men's Rights on Wikipedia).	/r/MensRights	09/05/12 12:36 AM
1	Open letter to feminists, but MRA should take notice. Reading though my comments, it appears I used class in both senses, so let me restate for clarity. Men as a group have more privilege than women as a group, because at every level of class (in the Marxist sense) they have proportionately more access to the power structure than do women. Privilege as defined by access to the power structure, and to the benefits/advantages available therefrom. As it is generally defined. As for the ruling class (in the Marxist sense), in our 'Western' society it h…	/r/MensRights	09/05/12 12:33 AM
1	Open letter to feminists, but MRA should take notice. Privilege isn't a rivalry thing, it's deconstructing a power structure to determine where the prejudices are. It's a necessary analysis for figuring out where there are biases in favour of one gender/sexuality/racial/etc. group vs another. They're as necessary for preventing racial discrimination as they are for eliminating gender. I also completely disagree that "feminism is a disease" because it seeks to eliminate barriers that prevent certain people from accomplishing everything that they are…	/r/MensRights	09/05/12 12:13 AM
2	Open letter to feminists, but MRA should take notice. You're right, kryiarchy is a better term. I ought to be using that one instead. As for why men have more privilege, of course it's impossible to prove such an absolute statement. Not to mention that the statement requires a subjective weighing of various advantages. However in certain respects, it can be objectively demonstrated. Workplace discrimination is a fairly easy one. Studies of pay equity nearly always show men coming out on top, though the estimates for how big the difference is vary p…	/r/MensRights	08/05/12 11:57 PM
3	Open letter to feminists, but MRA should take notice. You don't have to be at the top to benefit from it. That's what "privilege" is all about. It's a little basket of advantages one gets as a result of being a member of a certain group, which have not been individually earned. Or, conversely, it's a lack of any disadvantages that result from being a member of a certain disadvantaged class. So if a white guy gets a job over an asian guy, because his employer is prejudiced against asians, that's benefitting from the inherent discrimination built int…	/r/MensRights	08/05/12 11:36 PM
1	Open letter to feminists, but MRA should take notice. Warfare is not men trooping off the cliffs like lemmings. Most soldiers came back from war, even from the losing side. Casualties on the scale you see in Hollywood are exceedingly rare. Soldiering was 99% walking around the wilderness, digging ditches and shitting in holes. Battles were brief, and ended with one side capitulating with the majority of their lives intact (but their army disintegrated, due to flagging moral and desertion). Men's role as soldiers is a result of an innate value, not …	/r/MensRights	08/05/12 11:09 PM
0	Open letter to feminists, but MRA should take notice. class \|klas\| noun 1 a set or category of things having some property or attribute in common and differentiated from others by kind, type, or quality Yes, as a matter of fact I do. "Men" and "women" can be defined as classes, based on commonality of gender. "Men who died as cannon fodder" and "men who had the power to send them" can be separate classes, based on commonality of power within the hierarchy. Thus it is possible for a man to both belong to a defined group which has more subjective pow…	/r/MensRights	08/05/12 11:01 PM
-1	Open letter to feminists, but MRA should take notice. It's only a meat grinder in times of war, which was common but not nearly as common as one might think. Many fewer soldiers typically died on the field than Hollywood would have us believe. Which is what made WWI and WWII so cataclysmic, since advancements in weaponry made war significantly more deadly. As for why men specifically were chosen for war, there's any number of likely reasons. Physiologically, men are better suited for war than women. Especially ancient warfare, which was relied sign…	/r/MensRights	08/05/12 10:56 PM
-1	Open letter to feminists, but MRA should take notice. Fine. No, I'm saying that millions of male war dead are not proof against the existence of a male-dominated power structure. "Privilege" is a complex and highly situational concept. It's about a certain basket of unearned entitlements and advantages one gets due to membership in a certain defined group, as compared to members of other groups. A person who is privileged in one capacity may not be privileged in others. Men may not have been privileged in regards to military service in the past, bu…	/r/MensRights	08/05/12 10:35 PM
0	Open letter to feminists, but MRA should take notice. I was glib because I have no idea what your point is. So is your point that men, on average, are less privileged than women because they have to compete with each other in the hierarchy for women's attention? Is that what it is? Or is it just that men are also oppressed by the power structure by the requirement to compete at all? Everybody is oppressed except the people at the top, who are probably trying their best to oppress each other. However unless you're advocating that we all go live on p…	/r/MensRights	08/05/12 10:29 PM
-1	Open letter to feminists, but MRA should take notice. Men died in the war, but men sent them there: privilege is relative. That's all I read.	/r/MensRights	08/05/12 10:23 PM
2	Open letter to feminists, but MRA should take notice. Men being the ones holding the weapons probably had something to do with it...	/r/MensRights	08/05/12 10:20 PM
0	Open letter to feminists, but MRA should take notice. Yeah no, but thanks for fighting the imaginary gender war for us. Let me know how that works out for you.	/r/MensRights	08/05/12 10:17 PM
3	Open letter to feminists, but MRA should take notice. Seriously? Rulers don't start wars out of self-hate. They start wars to advance their own power and standing. Do you really think that Alexander the Great or Ghengis Khan were killing men because they had female-induced self hate?	/r/MensRights	08/05/12 10:14 PM
0	Open letter to feminists, but MRA should take notice. Sure, I can completely admit that my posts are not always clear. However the subtext of the "war dead" argument, with its reference to female-only emotional blackmail (even though it was a society-wide social pressure to send your boys to war) is inherently arguing against the very existence of this trend that both of us accepts exists? It's essentially saying "women emotionally blackmailed men to war, therefore women oppress men to." Ya? Obviously. Nobody is arguing that.	/r/MensRights	08/05/12 10:12 PM
-1	Open letter to feminists, but MRA should take notice. I conflated no such thing. I said that A group of men, not the WHOLE group of men, were responsible for sending those (male) soldiers off to war.	/r/MensRights	08/05/12 10:08 PM
0	Open letter to feminists, but MRA should take notice. Obviously by the matriarchal hegemony who runs the shadow government pulling everyone's strings.	/r/MensRights	08/05/12 10:06 PM
0	Open letter to feminists, but MRA should take notice. Of course they don't though, and nobody is arguing that. Men as a class have more privilege than women as a class, but obviously that's the result of aggregating the individual privilege of a highly diverse population. The poster said "here's some men who didn't have privilege!" whereas I said "ya, well here's some men who did." Men who, coincidentally, were the ones far more to blame for them going off to war in the first place than the women he referred to.	/r/MensRights	08/05/12 10:04 PM
2	Open letter to feminists, but MRA should take notice. Indeed they are. But they are not more privileged than their male counterparts, not holding the reins of power themselves. "Privilege" in this specific context is about obtaining benefits form / access to the power structure, which is something that the ruling men had more of than their wives. The wives would objectively have more privilege than the wives of the men sent to war (all the same detriments, but more benefits), and subjectively more than the men who were sent (different detriments/be…	/r/MensRights	08/05/12 09:53 PM
1	Open letter to feminists, but MRA should take notice. At what point am I blaming the men who went to war for getting killed in war? I shifted the blame from the women who "emotionally blackmailed" them into going, to the ruling men who actually voted on them going in the first place. Victim blaming, that is not.	/r/MensRights	08/05/12 09:49 PM
0	Open letter to feminists, but MRA should take notice. The war dead comment was arguing against the existence of male privilege with a specific counterexample. Not logically sound.. edit: accidentally a word	/r/MensRights	08/05/12 09:44 PM
0	I May be Going to Debtor's Prison It's poor women trying to get child support from poor men. And by poor, I mean household income >$40K, which is really only "poor" for the purposes of paying legal bills for lengthy family law grudge matches. As for the poverty aspect, surely that plays a role in how much men can pay. However child support is indexed to income, so is largely reflective of actual ability to pay. If a guy doesn't pay a red cent of his court-ordered support payments it's almost always because he's an asshole, who c…	/r/MensRights	08/05/12 09:40 PM
0	Open letter to feminists, but MRA should take notice. The rest of my comment was what I was talking about, not my glib closing line. More importantly though, the entire war-casualty argument is academically dishonest. He might as well be invoking Hitler and the holocaust. I'd like you to go to the graves of millions of male war dead, and hundreds of thousands of men dead from trying to support their families in dangerous jobs, and tell them how much more privilege they had then the women in their lives. That looks pretty much like an argument again…	/r/MensRights	08/05/12 09:26 PM
-1	Open letter to feminists, but MRA should take notice. I'd like you to go to the graves of millions of male war dead, and hundreds of thousands of men dead from trying to support their families in dangerous jobs, and tell them how much more privilege they had then the women in their lives. The "exclusively male ruling class who sent those millions to die" unquestionably had more privilege than the women in their lives. It's not "victim-blaming" to point that out. However saying that men being killed in war is indicative of some general trend of disc…	/r/MensRights	08/05/12 09:23 PM
3	Open letter to feminists, but MRA should take notice. As a general statement, men have more privilege than women. Whether a specific man has more privilege than a specific woman is obviously contextual, but all else remaining equal he would merely by virtue of his gender.	/r/MensRights	08/05/12 09:01 PM
-3	Open letter to feminists, but MRA should take notice. The fact that power structures are dominated by men illustrates that some men are oppressing both men and women. It's not "victim blaming" to point out that the existence of majority-male war casualties does not indicate female-on-male oppression.	/r/MensRights	08/05/12 08:17 PM
6	Open letter to feminists, but MRA should take notice. A standard textbook example of intersectionality theory might be "the view that women experience oppression in varying configurations and in varying degrees of intensity" (Ritzer, 2007, pg. 204)...intersectionality holds that knowing a woman lives in a sexist society is insufficient information to describe her experience; instead, it is also necessary to know her race, sexual orientation, class, etc., as well as her society's attitude toward each of these. How exactly is this not specifically wh…	/r/MensRights	08/05/12 08:13 PM
4	Open letter to feminists, but MRA should take notice. What's more likely, that women were working together in some vast conspiracy to force men to enlist to some shadowy purpose? Or that they and the men both had drank of the proverbial Kool-aid, and bought into a culture that glorifies war and warriors? "Privilege" does not refer to one class of persons having life all sunshine and roses, while another is doomed to misery and squalor. It's a relative concept, used to describe the contours of a culture's power structure. Men have historically had m…	/r/MensRights	08/05/12 07:29 PM
-4	Open letter to feminists, but MRA should take notice. No, I'm saying that millions of male war dead are not proof against the existence of a male-dominated power structure. "Privilege" is a complex and highly situational concept. It's about a certain basket of unearned entitlements and advantages one gets due to membership in a certain defined group, as compared to members of other groups. A person who is privileged in one capacity may not be privileged in others. Men may not have been privileged in regards to military service in the past, but wome…	/r/MensRights	08/05/12 06:29 PM
3	I May be Going to Debtor's Prison 95% of the the men Gunna' call bullshit on that one. I volunteer with several poverty law organizations, and I can tell you right now that the majority of men that I deal with who are behind on child support payments are just total scumbags who don't give a shit about their kids. I do see plenty of men who are getting screwed by the system and/or their former partners, but it is nowhere even remotely close to 95%-5%. More like 30%-70%.	/r/MensRights	08/05/12 06:04 PM
-10	Open letter to feminists, but MRA should take notice. ...or go to the graves of the exclusively male ruling class who sent those millions to die?	/r/MensRights	08/05/12 05:54 PM
0	Student Newspaper: 'Beyond a reasonable doubt' standard for sexual assault is 'tantamount to victim-blaming' Woah! Woah, hold on there! Are you telling me that people actually READ student newspapers?	/r/MensRights	16/04/12 08:27 PM
7	Do you believe that pick-up is immoral? Read this. Don't be afraid to fuck up in front of strangers. 90% of most people's hangups, right here.	/r/seduction	14/02/12 08:29 AM