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The statement I replied to said that child support should be calculated on the costs of raising a child instead of on a man’s income. It is difficult to see on the current numbers how this change would result in men paying less in child support. I made zero comment on any other point.
/r/MGTOW01/09/19 08:14 PM
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Average annual cost of raising a child is $14,000. Average annual child support payment is $5,160. So most men are paying just over one third of the costs of raising a child. Hard to see how basing it on the costs of raising a child would mean men paying less?
/r/MGTOW01/09/19 07:17 PM
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What would ‘bridging empathy and sexual gaps’ look like?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/19 07:44 AM
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No, it’s the age profile that shows the bigger problem: “In females aged 25-49 in the UK, breast cancer is the most common cause of cancer death, accounting for almost a third (31%) of all deaths in 2014-2016.[1-3]” Prostate cancer is not the highest cause of cancer death in men in any age range. It accounts for 8% of cancer deaths age 50 - 75 in men and 19% of cancer deaths in men aged 75+. https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/health-professional/cancer-statistics/mortality/age#heading-One Average …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/19 01:21 PM
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Breast cancer is the second leading cause of cancer death in women (only lung cancer kills more women each year). The chance that a woman will die from breast cancer is about 1 in 38 (about 2.6%). https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.cancer.org/cancer/breast-cancer/about/how-common-is-breast-cancer.html
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/19 12:47 PM
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Since it’s from the British Medical Journal, then yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/19 12:27 PM
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British Medical Journal blog No it isn’t: Prostate cancer can be a serious disease, but most men diagnosed with prostate cancer do not die from it. In fact, more than 2.9 million men in the United States who have been diagnosed with prostate cancer at some point are still alive today. https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.cancer.org/cancer/prostate-cancer/about/key-statistics.html Prostate cancer is a very slow moving cancer usually diagnosed at age 66. Most men diagnosed with it die from other age re…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/19 12:27 PM
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The Guardian? Try the BMJ: “In the year 2000, there were 724K men and 1,485,600 women aged 80 or over. Women have historically had a higher life expectancy, so this is not surprising. However, some of this shortfall may be a legacy of War. For a man to have been >80 in 2000 he would have been born before 1920 and eligible to be in the 2nd World War. Fast-forward to 2015 and the difference between men and women older than 80 is much narrower; the number of women >80 increased by 19%, compared wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/19 12:13 PM
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Really? That’s a very biased take on something that it much more nuanced than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/19 12:01 PM
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How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/19 10:35 AM
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Suicide is increasing faster in women than in men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/19 09:44 AM
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Do you not think the massive gap in deaths between breast and ovarian cancer versus prostate and testicular cancer accounts for the difference in funding?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/19 09:38 AM
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That’s not really an example of men in general caring more about women’s wellbeing. There are lots of reasons that men support feminism and one of those is that it also (tries at least and obviously from a woman’s perspective as best we can) to tackle men’s issues. Men who have been impacted by those issues find support. MGTOW seems to come in 2 brands: Woman-hating ranting - I fail to see why any woman would be supportive of discussions around how women are all stupid useless sluts who have nev…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/19 08:20 PM
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Ok. What are some examples of how men care about women in general?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/19 07:15 PM
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I’m not sure that’s a fair comment. There’s plenty of evidence to suggest, if not the opposite, then certainly more equal. The majority of relationships have women providing nurturing to men (housekeeping, laundry, cooking) rather than the other way round. There are more women putting their education, careers and plans on hold to both raise the family that they both want and supporting his career. There are a fair chunk of men either riding bareback or constantly pushing to without any considera…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/19 06:46 PM
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And what about a man who did support his family dying? Are his family supposed to just die too?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/19 04:43 AM
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Would it really be so difficult and awful to create change in society to allow single people with children to adequately provide for themselves?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/19 04:01 AM
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So you are recommending zero consequences for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/19 03:57 AM
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And what consequences do you recommend for the men involved?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/19 03:55 AM
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Or perhaps it’s the society that creates systems that makes it so very difficult for a woman with children to support themselves and then mocks them for not being able to beat that system that should be ashamed.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/19 03:53 AM
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The woman’s body is not the property of men however so no, women should not be required to do whatever a man wants. If however you want to go down that road, then every man who successfully impregnates a woman against her will and dictates her choices should be held responsible for the outcome. If she dies as a result of his actions then he should receive a life sentence/death penalty. If she is seriously injured/disabled then a prison sentence for GBH
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/19 11:58 PM
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So you’re here complaining about gender discrimination whilst insinuating that women are unlikely to have been able to buy an expensive laptop on their own?
/r/MensRights11/08/19 06:36 AM
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I have to disagree with that. What turns me on at 40+ isn’t even a second cousin twice removed from what I thought was a turn on at 18. At 18, everything was based on what I thought should be sexy/attractive because I didn’t have experience or anything else to base it on. In fact, I knew my partner of 15 years (and counting) since my early teens and back then the thought of doing things with him that I struggle to spell never crossed my mind. Now it rarely leaves it ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/19 02:55 PM
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What I don’t get is the need on this thread to invalidate women’s experiences? As a small child, I was attacked and left scarred by a family members dog. I love dogs (there are currently 7 in my home right now) but I am wary of dogs I don’t know. I don’t take my dogs out walking in public because there are loads of off leash out-of-control dogs that will pester my dogs/act aggressively/jump up etc. If I arrive at someone’s house and there are dogs loose outside, I won’t get out of the car until …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/19 05:59 AM
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If you didn’t run away and he assaulted you, would the fact that you didn’t run be used in court to prove that you wanted the assault to happen, thereby excusing your attacker? Because that’s what happens to women....so it’s not at all the same thing
/r/MensRights17/07/19 09:24 PM
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That’s a very biased interpretation of what was said. No one said anyone has the right to a credit card - what you do have is a right as an adult to have control over and privacy in your financial dealings which women were denied. No one said anyone is entitled to any particular job. What you are entitled to is not to be fired from your job for discriminatory reasons which women were denied. A husbands common law ‘right to chastisement’ is well documented and existed until a variety of courts st…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/19 06:44 AM
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Whether it is an advantage or not depends on whether the person wants it. If I don’t have an allergy to dairy milk and could drink it whenever I want to but don’t like it and you love it but you have a severe allergy to it - I’m not privileged over you. Your anger about that comes from resentment that you can’t have what you want and envy that I can even if I don’t want it. It doesn’t make me ‘milk priviledged’
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/19 06:46 AM
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I agree but then what’s the answer? If I’m not assertive enough in refusing then the implication is that they are justified in persisting even though I’ve already said no. If I’m more assertive in refusing then men seem to feel justified in some level of anger at least - so anything from “I was only asking FFS, no one would want to ride you anyway” to full on verbal assault which puts a damper on your night out at a minimum or ends in people going home upset. So what’s the answer that lets me ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/19 09:16 PM
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I have never been to a ‘meat market’, just ordinary pubs/bars/concerts/events with friends (both genders). I’m not sure that I have ever had a polite refusal just accepted straight away. Sometimes they will ask you why and then try to argue, or ask am I on antibiotics (it is Ireland 😂) to pushier responses and downright aggression. Guy friends have told me that I need to be ‘less polite’ about turning it down but I find it hard to do that. I feel like it must take a bit of courage to approach pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/19 06:57 PM
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What about the guys that don’t accept your polite refusal and keep pushing it? Or the guys who become unpleasantly aggressive or downright abusive if you turn down their offer? I don’t and have never allowed a person I don’t know to buy me drinks/food. This has led to many unpleasant exchanges over the years because apparently ‘thank you so much but no thank you’ is not an acceptable response.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/19 06:11 PM
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“Most men didn’t realise that the law actually said that” Source? Do you have any examples related to men’s issues where the legal elites have said “lol, cope...etc?”
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/19 12:39 PM
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No I’m saying that men were not the ones advocating and fighting for change in general. The laws changed because of feminist activity. Not because men thought the laws were so terribly wrong and advocated until they were overturned, as you implied.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/19 12:34 PM
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Are you saying that men made it possible for women to be legal elites in the 1970’s? Dressing men up as the heroes in relation to changing marital rape laws is disingenuous at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/19 12:25 PM
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Men were not the ones fighting to change this https://www.jstor.org/stable/828736?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/19 07:47 AM
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Again, where does it say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/19 05:04 PM
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Where does it say that?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/19 03:56 PM
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So, you think that in all of human history involving marriage, one partner has never forced the other to have sex against their will or without their consent?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/19 03:47 PM
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I’m not sure it is true that he was ‘vilified’. The girls in question were minding their own business and looking after their own safety (as we are told to do by pretty much everyone all the time). He ‘felt’ vilified but they didn’t do anything to him and he didn’t do anything to them. This is not just about women’s safety (although that’s an important part of the conversation) it’s also about the fact that women are held responsible for their own safety in a way that others are not. What if the…
/r/MensRights07/07/19 10:05 AM
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Tremendous crack altogether actually. You’re saying women were perfectly fine with sending men off to war to die (not sure all of them were but that’s by the by), I’m simply saying that men seem to have been perfectly comfortable to send women to the birthing room to die. Where’s the difference? As for ‘advances in medicine’ keeping more women alive, it should be noted that when exclusively male doctors took over midwifery, they killed women in their thousands because they could not be convinced…
/r/AntiFeminists06/07/19 10:27 PM
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In whole history, men have been perfectly comfortable with impregnating women, many of whom died (many more than those who died in war) or permanently maimed or disabled. Through periods of history, women were put to death for getting pregnant, locked in asylums or mother and baby homes. If you view history with an unbiased perspective, you will find that we are all expendable, just in different ways.
/r/AntiFeminists06/07/19 10:07 PM
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Do you think the law changes that quickly? It really doesn’t..... Here’s an article written by a law lecturer last year citing the exact same issues listed by the barristers back then - https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/comment-investment-needed-to-change-attitudes-towards-consent-and-rape-885955.html
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/19 10:51 AM
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https://www.jstor.org/stable/1410563?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/19 10:42 AM
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Agreed - you have no responsibility at all and I never said that you did. I was just trying to explain that men and women live in 2 different worlds in relation to sexual assault (maybe everything to do with sex really) with different challenges, fears, problems and benefits. You have no obligation to have any interest or even think about it in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/19 10:39 AM
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The link to the source is literally in my post above. It is not just about strategies. It is about the fact that people think a rape trial is about finding out whether or not a woman was raped. It isn’t. It is not only entirely possible but common for a woman to be raped and for the man not to be guilty of rape based completely on her character, history, sexual activity (with other men), clothing and lifestyle. This exists for no other crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/19 10:34 AM
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A huge exaggeration? I provided an academic source verifying rape and sexual assault trial strategies which prove exactly what I’m saying. Do you have some evidence to prove otherwise?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/19 10:24 AM
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You are missing the point completely
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/19 10:13 AM
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You say that it’s her responsibility to be aware of her surroundings as it relates to her potentially being in a parking spot that may belong to someone else. You miss entirely that society will also hold her responsible for being aware of her surroundings if she were assaulted in those circumstances. Let’s say that a CCTV was able to capture the interaction and be shown in the event that you had assaulted her. In the first scenario, where she was shouting, distressed and clearly rejecting your …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/19 07:48 AM
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Delighted to hear about the kilt, less so to hear about the cousins drunken step-mother. From both the male and female side of this problem, it’s frustrating that after thousands of years of interacting, we still don’t have effective ways to deal with it from a social perspective whether there is drink involved or not. If you say anything or attempt to deal with it in any way suddenly you’re the ass with no sense of humour...they were only having a bit of fun etc
/r/MensRights22/06/19 04:59 AM
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That’s such a shame. I also have a family tartan and I love to see men decked out in formal kilts but of course, I can understand why you would :(
/r/MensRights21/06/19 01:39 PM
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I have consulted with Man and he agrees, although he did say that for the purposes of clarity we should refer to it as ‘drunken foreplay’, or, he said hopefully, ‘lap dances’.
/r/MensRights20/06/19 08:50 PM
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Again, respectfully, I disagree. I think that the passes and inequities that both experience relate directly to the predefined roles that society wishes us to have and the extent to which fulfilling those roles is something we can find happiness and fulfilment in. For example, men can be signed up to the draft and sent to war against their will (which is appalling) because women are not expendable in that way. We are expendable another way though. Each country needs a specific population number …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/19 08:35 PM
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This is I think one key issue - men see the ‘passes’ that women get and don’t see the inequities. Women see the passes that men get and don’t see the inequities. We are all looking at what we don’t have but the other side does.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/19 07:42 PM
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It became abundantly clear early in the fight that the Scottish lads knew what they were at and they found the whole thing hilarious. I have never before nor since seen a huge guy hit two other guys with a third guy in such a casual and good natured way. No real harm was done to anything but furniture although English pride was a bit dented. But as the Scottish captain said, “Dinna worry about that, they’ll be used to it”. I probably shouldn’t have laughed as much as I did.
/r/MensRights20/06/19 07:24 PM
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Kilts are super attractive, drunken sexual harassment is definitely not, no matter who is doing it. That said, the only harassment I have witnessed of Scottish men in kilts was from an English club rugby team to members of a Scottish club rugby team in a bar after the match. This little English dude kept elbowing a much bigger Scottish guy in a kilt, slagging him about wearing a skirt and asking what he wore under it. The Scottish guy looked him dead in the eye and said “your wife’s lipstick”...…
/r/MensRights20/06/19 06:33 PM
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• ⁠If he consents to reproduce, he gets both rights and responsibilities. He can seek access & custody, yes. But he also must pay child support. If a man consents to reproduce, he doesn’t have any responsibilities right now other than an obligation to financially provide for the child. A man can change their mind in relation to the child at any time and simply have nothing to do with it anymore as things stand right now - it’s certainly not rare for it to happen. So ‘care of the child’ is not a …
/r/MensRights17/06/19 03:06 PM
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Sure but that’s not a responsibility that men have. They cannot be forced to do so. Financial provision is the only responsibility for which both society and the law hold men responsible. And men do have rights post conception if a child is born: They have the right to be incentivised as the father. They have the right to seek access/custody. They also have the right to have nothing to do with the born child. You can successfully argue that the implementation of these rights is not correctly don…
/r/MensRights17/06/19 07:44 AM
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Ahhh... but there’s the issue really. In this scenario, women are responsible for the choices and actions of both parties, not just their own.
/r/MensRights17/06/19 07:20 AM
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No they don’t have the same responsibilities as I do in this scenario: In this scenario, all contraceptive responsibility falls on me, none on the man. If an unplanned pregnancy occurs, the responsibility falls solely on me, the man can just ‘nope’ out of there. If for some reason, I cannot avail of abortion (it is not available in my country/State, I cant afford it, there are medical reasons I can’t) I will have to go through with the pregnancy and childbirth and pay for all that along with wha…
/r/MensRights17/06/19 06:26 AM
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But we have already theoretically removed that particular responsibility. I’m asking what legal reproductive responsibilities men now have and you keep not answering
/r/MensRights17/06/19 05:58 AM
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Which responsibilities are those? You’ve said they have zero contraceptive responsibility. They already can walk away from an active parenting role at any time. Now they will have no responsibility to provide financially for any child that they help to create. Legally then, they have no responsibility for any part of the reproductive process at all?
/r/MensRights17/06/19 05:31 AM
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Yes and I’ve said repeatedly that working on the supposition that that responsibility is removed, what other responsibilities will men have?
/r/MensRights17/06/19 05:03 AM
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I haven’t objected in this conversation with you about introducing a right to walk away financially. Men do have rights that extend past the point of pregnancy - the right to choose not to be an active parent. You want to add the right to not have to provide financially and I am asking about a scenario in which that right has been granted - what are men’s responsibilities then? A couple of things jump out at me from what you have said here: One is that a man does not have the right to make an un…
/r/MensRights16/06/19 05:10 PM
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Again you have listed no responsibilities for men at all - they do have rights. Women are also violated by being pregnant when they didn’t want to be.
/r/MensRights16/06/19 04:32 PM
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Ok. You have said that rights and responsibilities are interlinked (I personally would add consequences in there but that’s by the by). So in your scenario where removing responsibilities for any financial obligation towards a child that he helped create, the man has the same rights throughout the process as the woman does: 1) the right to freely consent to sex (which for men currently is not all it should be - they have the right to freely consent but violations of that consent are not treated …
/r/MensRights16/06/19 04:05 PM
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Those are 2 very difficult scenarios right enough. So, in each of those scenarios: 1) man wants to keep the pregnancy and the woman wants to abort 2) man wants to abort and the woman wants to keep the pregnancy What is the true equality solution that society should have opted for?
/r/MensRights16/06/19 12:50 PM
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My apologies, I didn’t mean to imply that men are the only ones that benefit from sex (I can see how it reads like that!) I meant that there is only benefit (and no direct downside) to sex for men. Women have both benefits and drawbacks. The pill, for many women, absolutely does reduce their sexual pleasure. Depression and reduced sex drive are common side effects and anecdotally many women have a harder time achieving orgasm whilst on the pill. The rest of it ignores the fact that men have agen…
/r/MensRights16/06/19 12:05 PM
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This sounds like such a simple question but actually there is so much packed in here: There are a number of things that are very wrong with the current system for men that need to be changed, like, yesterday. For example, a woman being able to claim child support even when the child is a result of a criminal act? That’s beyond cruel and needs to go. As a default, I would agree broadly that men should be able to choose not to financially support a child that was the result of an unwanted (by them…
/r/MensRights16/06/19 08:47 AM
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I didn’t say that at all - far from it. Merely that there should be some explanatory context. I was responding to the several comments above that insinuated that whatever she heard, she had no right to be horrified. That’s the bit I disagreed with. The way she set it out wasn’t acceptable and absolutely pull her on that but if you are dismissing the ‘horrified’ without asking a question or having context, then you are doing what feminists are always being accused of - not hearing anything the ot…
/r/MensRights31/05/19 08:34 AM
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Is there some context here that we’re missing? I’m not excusing her but I have found myself in a pub with a bunch of guys (who happened to be white) that I previously thought of as decent blokes getting into a drunken discussion about how there isn’t and shouldn’t be any such thing as marital rape. Their reasoning was that marriage is a contract where women give up the right to consent for the right to be provided for if they have children. And that if a man gives up the opportunity to have lots…
/r/MensRights31/05/19 06:01 AM
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I agree completely but you have to then look to create equality (insofar as possible) step by step and end to end. If a law is created that allows men to opt out of child support is freely, easily and cheaply (free?) accessible to every man that wants it. Currently we have law that permit abortions but that does not guarantee that any given woman will be freely, easily and cheaply access abortion. We would also have to hold both parties equally responsible for the active prevention of unwanted p…
/r/MensRights30/05/19 07:34 AM
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There were 2 significant changes that happened immediately afterward and as a direct result of getting married: 1) there was an immediate shift in attitude of my then husband (as in starting from the honeymoon and growing from there) of ownership. 2) the process of organising the wedding and the involvement of family led to the eventual realisation that I was a second class citizen in my own marriage. Those 2 things combined meant it was always going to fail but I was too young to know it. I did…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/19 01:33 PM
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That’s actually terrifying. I often get slammed for highlighting various pieces of research but it’s not at all an anti- man thing on my part. It’s more that we don’t seem to realise the impact of social beliefs and how the numbers are changing as our beliefs change. I think there’s a lot we could learn in driving social conversations and change. I tend to have a similar position in most things - I’m pro choice but prefer to work on reducing unplanned pregnancy in the first place. I’m deeply ant…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/19 01:01 PM
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I feel like you could have wedged another few insulting stereotypes in there if you’d really tried?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/19 12:43 PM
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Agreed but that wasn’t my point. There is a recurring motif that appears in different research surveying men on their attitudes to forcing sex across countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/19 12:41 PM
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Maybe so, but the one third figure repeats in a lot of related research. In relation to marital rape, for example: “In India, where spousal rape is still legal, one third of men admit to forcing their wives into a sexual act.” https://www.revelist.com/world/countries-marital-rape-legal/7073/allowing-for-spousal-rape-the-report-points-out-makes-sexual-violence-as-a-whole-seem-less-serious/4
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/19 12:26 PM
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It’s not asked about in the context of a consensual event. It is asked in the context of non-consensual events. Big difference between those two things.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/19 10:58 AM
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Yes but if you read the study, there is more to it than that. A staggering number of men endorsed and admitted ‘forceful consent’ but not rape. So if you asked them if they had ever raped someone, they said no. But when asked if they had ever held someone down to force sex on them, they said yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/19 01:55 AM
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Here is a study revealing attitudes to sex without consent across Europe. In Ireland, for example, more than one fifth of people believe that sex without consent is justified under certain circumstances ( being drunk, wearing sexy clothing or walking alone at night are some examples). For some reason, the study won’t link so here is an article that links to it - https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.thejournal.ie/sex-consent-survey-3102174-Nov2016/%3famp=1 Additionally this study here looks at Male un…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/19 08:26 PM
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It’s not a silly question because it means that the main reason that men do not use condoms is no more or no less than they don’t like them and they are willing for their partner to incur increased risks if that means that they maintain their normal level of sexual pleasure. Re responsibility, as a point of law, in circumstances where you are engaged in an activity with another person and they are more vulnerable to harm than you, it creates a duty of care. If a man had AIDS for example and deci…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 08:49 PM
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Again, you didn’t actually answer the question of whether more men would wear condoms if doing so increased their pleasure. Greater risk does not automatically equal greater responsibility. If you could, by your actions, reduce that risk and you choose not to, then the outcome is on you too. Refusing to acknowledge it, doesn’t make it go away.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 07:20 PM
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I dunno, sounds like bs to me. You still say that men have no contraceptive responsibility whilst ignoring the fact that out of our sample 100,000, 6,000 of those pregnancies would not happen if those men wore condoms in addition to the women being on the pill. You are happy for those women to go through an abortion to deal with the ‘whoopsie’ and you dress it all up as pseudo concern for women’s sexual enjoyment when if that was your true concern, you would be taking responsibility instead of h…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 06:19 PM
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So to summarise, you still believe that contraceptive responsibility lies solely on the woman even while acknowledging the dangers of their options and the high failure rate. Your contention is that men not wearing condoms isn’t about their pleasure at all but about their partners pleasure. And then as long as she promises to do whatever is an acceptable outcome to you in the event of a pregnancy, you’re ok with whatever harm might befall her as a result of that because it was her sole responsib…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 06:28 AM
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Most women’s birth control options decrease her sexual pleasure too - the pill in particular. You are avoiding what I said. It’s not a ‘trust’ decision at all. I am pro choice but overall what is less harmful to a woman is not being pregnant when she didn’t want to be. It might be that condoms affect ‘mutual pleasure’ but since the majority of women don’t routinely orgasm from PIV sex, it’s really men’s pleasure we are talking about. For as long as men ‘trust’ women and consider it to be complet…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 02:08 AM
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That’s a cop out. Regardless of the effectiveness of what contraceptive a woman can use, your own personal contributory responsibility does not change. The failure rate of the birth control pill is about 7% and condoms about 13%. The failure rate of both used together is about 1%. Why should any man ‘trust the woman’? Women’s fertility is completely involuntary, mostly invisible and very complex with a huge number of factors. For men it is far simpler, don’t get live sperm in her vagina and you …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 01:46 AM
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We all have a duty of care that our actions do not harm others. Every pregnancy (wanted or not) harms a woman to one extent or another. If there is zero risk to you and a huge risk to the other person, it creates more responsibility, not less. In literally any other situation, acting irresponsibly in a way that led to the death or injury to another person would lead to criminal charges.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/19 01:03 AM
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They’re not physical/medical risks, no. They are financial penalties, it’s true but with 3 million unplanned pregnancies in the US every year, they clearly are not enough of a deterrent. Meanwhile, if abortion is effectively outlawed and those 3 million women are forced to carry a pregnancy to term, 500 of them will die. Another 60,000 ish of them will have their vagina ripped into their rectum causing problems affecting quality of life. Another 300,000 - 600,000 of them will suffer sustained po…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/19 03:12 PM
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Yes he did say that, at the last presidential debate - https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/03/22/republicans-keep-pushing-supreme-court-towards-overturning-roe/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.938b89d1c841 I’m not talking about ‘men as a class’, I’m talking about specific men in positions of power right now. There is nothing that any electorate can do right at this moment to prevent what is happening. Alissa Milano’s response was to a specific action by a specific man and the bill itself shows …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/19 06:48 AM
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That’s quite a simplistic view of something that is far more complex than that. When I referred to mostly men driving the anti-abortion agenda, I’m talking about the male US president vowing to put in a SC Justice who would overturn Roe vs Wade. The senators driving the bills in the 5 States that have so far introduced the 6 week rule and criminally investigating women who have a natural miscarriage are mostly, if not all, men. Often whilst saying stupid things like women can’t get pregnant due …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/19 12:45 PM
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The ejaculation itself (at critical mass!) is not voluntary but everything leading up to that is. Men are aware that an ejaculation is imminent and can exercise choice over where to ejaculate, no? And that’s all you reply to? Just to check then, do you agree with the below: 1) Male ejaculation inside a woman is what causes pregnancy 2) that ejaculation provides pleasure to the Male and none to the female 3) men can choose where to ejaculate and to wear a condom but this decreases their pleasure …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/19 06:08 AM
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I live in Europe so neither of those applies however it remains true that the US laws around child support exist today because of the sheer number of men who just walked away when they had the choice. Shrugs? Over 500 women die in the US every year because of an unplanned pregnancy. Another 60,000 of them will have severe tearing into their rectum which will cause problems for life. 300,000 - 600,000 will suffer post-natal depression and about 3,000 of those will have post partum psychosis. Thes…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/19 11:50 PM
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Women are far from holding all the cards - not everywhere requires men to pay child support. Where I live, it is all too easy for men to walk away from their responsibilities and the main reason that laws were brought in to deal with that was how many men were doing it. In relation to the other risk you mentioned of being falsely accused of rape, I have no idea what the stats are on that but there are over 3 million unplanned pregnancies in the US every year. Every single one of those pregnancie…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/19 11:17 PM
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I don’t think the idea is to punish partners for the new laws, it is instead to spark discussion around the idea that men who seek to control women’s bodies should not have access to those bodies. No matter what way you chop it up, women having sex does not cause pregnancy. A man choosing to ejaculate inside a woman causes pregnancy. This choice benefits only him and gives rise to risks only to the woman. It is well known that both wearing a condom and pulling out are very effective chemical fre…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/19 10:09 PM
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I would imagine that it is in reference to recent legislation which provides for investigating miscarriages to see if the woman has done anything which might have caused the miscarriage?
/r/AntiFeminists13/05/19 03:23 PM
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I think ‘parental equality’ is a much more important part of this conversation than perhaps people realise simply because people only ask what choice between SAHM and working mother any given woman might make. They never ask about the context in which the women are making that choice and it is a key part of the conversation. I was eventually forced to ‘choose’ to stay home full-time because of my then husbands absolute refusal to play any role in household or childcare duties. So my ‘choice’ was…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/19 10:02 AM
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Wow. Do men need forgiveness for having productive hobbies that interfere with a good family life too? Also how do you define a ‘good family life’? Is it one where all the members of the family get to live fulfilled happy supported lives? Including the mother? It’s interesting that the hobbies you deem acceptable are all historically considered ‘improving ‘ activities for women or ones that directly benefit others in their family. Do you have a similar list of approved activities for men at all?…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/19 09:18 PM
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These incredibly simplified theories are really too simple for the abundantly rich variety of the human experience tbh. There are many more factors other than ‘attractiveness’ that will influence when a man (or woman) decides to get married, such as: Career - those who are heavily invested in career development that requires huge effort in the early days and/or a lot of travel - doctors for example Competitive sports - many athletes have a short shelf life and so put their focus there in their 2…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/19 07:16 AM
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“Women used cultural soft power to convince men to give them stuff and it worked”. I’m not sure that basic human rights and freedoms can be dismissed so blithely as ‘stuff’?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/19 06:49 PM
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Your second example is a VERY different story for me personally. In your first example, the man getting married had made a decision that would affect me and our lives together and deliberately withheld that information until after we were married. That to me is unforgivable. I can no longer trust that person. The second example is not a reason to leave, for me personally. I would be devastated for him, me and us. I don’t feel at all entitled to sex. Yes of course it is part of an intimate relati…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 06:53 PM
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The entire premise here was that a male sense of entitlement to sex doesn’t exist. It clearly does. We do not need a system to work out what people aren’t entitled to, that’s also pretty clear. No one is entitled to the use of someone else’s body to sexually pleasure themselves. Some men feel that they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 05:54 PM
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Where did I say that men became entitled to sex when married?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 05:50 PM
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No, the base issue was lying about how our lives were going to be together - it wouldn’t matter if that was about sex, sharing a house or whatever. Yes there is also withholding sex to manipulate. That also happens when someone feels entitled to something enough that they will take it by whatever means necessary. A male sense of entitlement to sex exists on varying different levels. You can’t deny that there are men who argue that women should have to have sex with whatever man whenever they wan…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 05:04 PM
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I said that I would leave in circumstances where someone had misled me as to how our marriage would be, not because I was not getting sex. There is not just an anger outburst to consider. There is using bad moods and not talking to coerce consent to sex. I accept that men and women have different viewpoints of the existence of entitlement. It’s much harder to see when you are not on the receiving end of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 04:13 PM
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The contract of a relationship is unique to each couple but yes I would agree that generally sex forms part of that. I’m not sure that I agree that anger is ever the appropriate response to this scenario. Why is a very relevant question here. There could literally be thousands of reasons why a partner of either gender might struggle with sex and those need a sympathetic approach because they are not always easy to discuss or fix. Secondly, a relationship is first and foremost a partnership. What…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 03:36 PM
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A no-sex-before-marriage marriage implies a sex-after-marriage marriage even if not explicitly stated so in those circumstances, I would feel conned into making a huge financial and life commitment under false pretences. I would feel lied to and betrayed. And I would end the marriage on the spot because no one who cared for me would have deceived me like that. This however is not the common experience. Far more common is a partner refusing sex on any given occasion where no specific discussion o…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 03:01 PM
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Is there not a difference between ‘no sex tonight’ and ‘no sex forever’?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 02:26 PM
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I don’t think any of things listed in the OP indicate or denote a perceived entitlement to sex. Entitlement to sex is really illustrated by men getting angry when they don’t get sex whether that’s in a marriage, LTR or in life generally. Getting angry shows that you feel the other person is doing something wrong in saying ‘no’ to you. Otherwise, why would you be angry?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 02:10 PM
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I don’t know. Sometimes when I manage to hit full adult mode (probably about 1 day per month ;) and I’m hearing someone ranting crap, I remember that a lot of people don’t really have the skills to either deal with experiences or articulate them effectively. Really you are listening to an individual’s pain and not an ideology. I fail a lot but I do try to view it that way. First do no harm and all that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 11:24 AM
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I would definitely consider myself a feminist and couldn’t at all consider saying “nice dress” to be sexual assault. Feminism as a group has a really wide range and there is also the lunatic fringe who think you aren’t a real woman unless you had a drug free childbirth and ate your own placenta afterwards (bleurgh). I haven’t come across anyone looking to have a comment termed sexual assault and punished (not that I doubt you, crazies everywhere) but there are valid issues that feminism rightly …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 10:54 AM
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Because it does still exist in the now. I was born mid 70’s and most of the men my age were raised with this idea. It wasn’t so much the society in this country that thought it was wrong, more that it was forced on them by international rights agencies which is why so many countries introduced it on the exact same year. We had a case here only a few weeks ago where there was a substantial assault and unfinished rape whilst their young children were in the house. He was found guilty but the judge…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 10:33 AM
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Erm...no. The law on rape stated that ‘a man who had non-consensual sex with a woman other than his wife’ would be guilty of rape. Non-consensual sex with your wife was not in any way an offence. There has never been a corresponding law allowing wives to rape their husbands. I’m aware that we are not in the 90’s anymore. That’s why I mentioned the impact that it still has to this day. Societies attitude did not change instantly upon the words ‘other than his wife’ being removed from the statute.…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 10:07 AM
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I’m not sure that “it’s a problem feminism has made up” is accurate or fair. Society has taught us all for centuries that women owe men sex in large and small ways. For example, marital rape didn’t exist until 1992 because a husband was entitled to sex from his wife whenever he wanted it - it’s not hard to see how that extended to unmarried couples too. To this day, marital rape is exceptionally difficult to obtain a conviction for even when the evidence is clear (unless there is extreme violenc…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 09:54 AM
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Does everyone not need to bring current value into their relationships and keep on doing that though?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/19 05:59 AM
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Did I misread the article? It sounds to me as though Tusla are trying to provide less beds for men than they required to and the National Women’s Council were saying that was ‘completely unacceptable’ - so they were defending men and asking for beds for them, no?
/r/MensRights10/04/19 01:11 PM
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I’m not overly familiar with the US welfare system but reasonable limits seem fair. I think it’s also important to treat all employed parents equally both to limit career damage for mothers and facilitate more shared parenting for fathers. I wasn’t really thinking of direct payments to mothers/parents at all in terms of programs at all... more things like providing tax breaks to employers who provide appropriate high quality onsite childcare during their working hours. Things that would facilita…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 08:08 PM
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By a societal employment system designed in a time where women stayed at home to mind the children. Fair enough if you think such programs sound like more subsidies but then what would be your ideal solution to the problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 07:33 PM
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I would heartily agree except that women, married and single, are heavily penalised financially for having children. We should really be investing in programs to help change that instead of simply continuing to subsidise.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 07:16 PM
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These are exactly the conversations that women find themselves having and it is so very difficult. Once you have made the decision to 'temporarily' downsize your career, it's very challenging to get off the merry-go-round and most women didn't know that when they did it. From an anecdotal perspective, I think it does have a huge impact on relationship breakdowns because it puts couples on opposing teams where for one of them to win, the other has to lose. The 'losing' party is very often the wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 09:28 AM
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That’s an interesting link, thank you! There is as you say a clear majority of relationships where the man is older but over 50% of those are where their respective ages are within 1 - 2 years of each other which I wouldn’t have thought was a significant difference in terms of the reasons commonly given - such as maturity, additional earnings etc? You’re absolutely correct in that there is a clear preference for older men but I would counter that the percentage of relationships where the age gap…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 08:41 PM
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Nobody was talking about ‘demanding higher earnings’ so I’m not sure where you got that from. As I said above, this is also connected to the ‘custody gap’ and needs work to rectify both sides of a situation which works for no one and likely contributes more than people realise to relationships breaking down.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 04:20 PM
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I’m not sure that I have seen evidence for an overwhelming preference for older men who make more money though - either anecdotally or studies? In my own group of roughly 15 couples, with one exception, all the women are older (1 - 3 years). Higher wage earners are split roughly 50/50 or were before having children and none of the men stayed at home to raise children. Of course, that doesn’t mean that group is typical but probably typical enough of mid life professionals? More and more, women ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 03:52 PM
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Regardless of environment, men tend to overestimate their intelligence and women tend to underestimate which certainly does not support an argument that states there are large numbers of women feeling intellectually superior to anyone. You say that the wage gap (which should in any case be more properly referred to as an earnings gap) is explained almost entirely by people’s choices. Do only women choose to have children then?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 02:16 PM
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It’s true that women who retain full time employment often deprioritise their careers but it’s not always a free choice to do so and is often driven by circumstances they do not control and/or did not foresee. I fully support shared parenting and joint custody but I do think that discussion confined to that after separation is the wrong societal focus. It would maybe be better to look at how to encourage, support and facilitate shared parenting and childcare regardless of employment when both pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 12:45 PM
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1) Several studies across multiple disciplines in a college environment show that men are far more prone to overestimate their intelligence while women underestimate their abilities - https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/04/13/study-men-overestimate-their-intelligence-in-science-class.html 2) in relation to the ‘wage gap’, it is not and has never been fictitious. Historically, it existed because of restrictions for women in what kind of education and employment they were allowed to …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/19 09:22 AM
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The vast majority of women do not gain financially from marriage whether it ends in divorce or not though?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/19 11:07 PM
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I’m not so much of an advocate of the single life (I’m not single myself) so much as I categorically reject the idea that women obtain fantastic benefits from marriage while men suffer huge losses. The woman usually only controls the spending if she has given up work (by either free choice or necessity). In most cases, that’s more about making a budget stretch to cover bills, children’s needs and groceries. You might feel that having the ultimate say over what toilet cleaner we use is more than …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 01:20 PM
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1) bigger house - ok, maybe I don’t know what the stats are on that 2) more income - how does marriage confer additional income on women specifically? 3) the shared responsibility for children is a questionable. There are certainly less men leaving it completely to the woman than there used to be but by no means all. 4) we don’t have joint filing of taxes so I don’t know how much better off a woman would be for this? I can’t imagine that it’s a huge sum? 5) not feeling lonely isn’t something tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 11:56 AM
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That’s not a benefit of marriage though?That’s a benefit of divorce. Men can also file for a no fault divorce and petition for child support if they are the primary care giver for the children.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 10:25 AM
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And how exactly is marriage a good deal for women? Those things you pointed out are trying to say that the problems that women face in marriage no longer exist. I personally find that laughable but ok.... In a cost/benefit analysis of marriage from the woman’s perspective, what exactly are the benefits that the majority of women receive?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/19 08:42 AM
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I can see the issue with it and certainly the evolution of the ‘no fault’ divorce has been an interesting one with drawbacks. There are 2 parts to that: 1) increasingly the courts are moving to a position where the reasons for a breakdown, whilst of huge emotional import to the parties, is vastly complex and outside the proper jurisdiction of the court whose job it is to ensure that the family are provided for. This undoubtedly feels unfair to the injured party who was cheated on. It is natural …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 05:57 PM
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1) yes to a degree adultery is effectively a breach of contract but this argument does not support criminalisation. Breach of contract is a civil matter addressed by the parties before the court....much like adultery is now when cited as a reason for divorce. I don’t at all agree that courts are heavily biased in favour of women. In fact, they are biased in favour of the existing contract in relation to a couple having children together. Both parties agree to a particular arrangement and then bo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/19 10:57 AM
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Yes sorry, that really wasn’t clear
/r/AntiFeminists24/03/19 10:43 PM
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Ok but it’s pretty mainstream for feminists to discuss oppression for men in relation to male suicide though? Obviously suicide is a deeply complex matter with many facets but there are correlations with higher suicide in men in relation to loss of a job where they are the providers for their family or as it relates to societal stereotypes that discourage them from talking about problems. I’m all for valid criticisms of any ideology but these examples just don’t make sense to me.
/r/AntiFeminists24/03/19 10:43 PM
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It’s difficult to see what point related to feminism you are trying to make? The higher completed suicide rate amongst men has been a consistent amount higher since proper recording began in the 1950’s. The feminist movement has not impacted this in any way - positively or negatively. Female homeless is on the rise and has grown by 55% in many regions since 2013. 90% of homeless families are those where the adult is a woman. Saying that men represent 81% of unemployed is simply untrue. In Februa…
/r/AntiFeminists24/03/19 08:06 PM
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When commentators ask "where was Mr Responsibility when it was condom time" they are not referring to him being 100% responsible for providing adequate birth control. They are referring to his perceived right to bring a lawsuit in the circumstances. ​ To be entitled to bring a suit, you must have an explicit or implicit right which has been breached in some way and a direct line of liability to the person who breached that right. ​ In bringing a suit against the clinic who provided the abortion …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/19 11:59 AM
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So if a guy sleeps with a girl on a first date, what does that make him?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/19 10:58 AM
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And if you read further on that same article, you will find - “TIP: It would be years before anyone built a working Babbage machine or could test the code, but today we can confirm Ada’s complex code was flawless and can accurately calculate Bernoulli Numbers, and likewise Babbage’s machines work in practice (although we can’t always say the same for his code).” And also - “Today we have proved that Babbage’s theoretical computers worked (meaning he invented the general-purpose computer) and tha…
/r/MGTOW12/02/19 12:12 AM
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You know that the first programmer ever was a woman, right?
/r/MGTOW11/02/19 09:17 PM
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That’s not at all what I’m saying. It’s a pretty common behaviour of all people - bringing about what they fear. I have known women for example who feared their partner would leave them and responded to that fear by becoming incredibly clinging and possessive. That led to their partner leaving them where they probably otherwise wouldn’t have. In telling men that if they ‘open up’ to women that they will stop sleeping with them and eventually reject them, you might be creating a self-fulfilling p…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 05:38 PM
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Is it possible that it’s less about whether she thinks she is a unicorn and more about whether you do? Your contention is that all women ask their men to ‘open up’ and then ultimately reject them because of their ‘vulnerability ‘. She said that doesn’t apply in her relationship and I could tell you the same except that you don’t believe even though in my case at least it is true. Is it possible that subconsciously, when a person believes that if they open up, the other person will reject them wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/19 04:57 PM
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I’m not sure that I understand exactly what you saying? In the 1990’s, it wasn’t ‘her state of mind’ that became relevant. It was that the law finally recognised (to a limited degree) that a female person retained their basic right to the autonomy of their own body even after marriage. It is certainly a ‘state of mind’ to believe that there are circumstances under which you are entitled to the use of another persons physical body for your own pleasure whenever you wish and regardless of their wi…
/r/MGTOW31/01/19 01:09 PM
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Sexual harassment is no more or less subjective than bullying tbh. Saying that one wrong look or comment could lead to a sustainable accusation is hyperbole. All types of bullying or harassment claims require a history of repeated incidents and a pattern of behaviour. It’s far more objective in that sense.
/r/MGTOW30/01/19 08:46 PM
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Legal wrongs are however predicated on the ‘state of mind’ of the perpetrator (mens rea). Historically speaking, husbands effectively had rights to their wives body at all times until the 1990’s and so therefore there could be no rape or sexual assault - because a wife did not have the right to deny consent or access in the first place. Nothing whatsoever to do with her ‘state of mind’.
/r/MGTOW30/01/19 08:32 PM
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The right of a wife to share in the family home and her permission being required in order to sell it only arrived in 1976. In my lifetime. This includes circumstances where she was the 'breadwinner' of the family. I can think of hundreds of things that women do wrong - to men and other women. We are still human and we are shitty people sometimes. I have seen women fake pregnancy to test their boyfriends. I have known women who married for money. I know women who cheated on their husbands. So pr…
/r/MensRights22/01/19 05:53 PM
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The starting point of this was ‘women not being adequately represented in Congress is irrelevant’. I agree absolutely with both 99.5% of men and women have no meaningful power. I’m not describing that as men oppressing women. What I am saying is that in the not too distant past, 100% of men had power over 100% of women - over their bodies, reproduction, economics, careers or lack thereof, healthcare and every aspect of their lives in general. Those same men may not have had meaningful power over…
/r/MensRights22/01/19 10:59 AM
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I take your point that assuming bias and that men will not adequately govern over women is a problem but the challenge is that it’s not really an assumption. It’s more a matter of historical record. Absolute power corrupts and bias is part of every day life for every human - we all do it. I don’t support the notion of gender parity at all really but we have to acknowledge that where a single group of people have had ultimate power over all the other groups, abuses have followed. I don’t think th…
/r/MensRights22/01/19 06:23 AM
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Women being underrepresented in government is a serious issue simply because the government create the laws. As an example, in Ireland laws were passed that made it unlawful for women to stay in any public role once she married. This was in force until 1973. Even after it was lifted, societal pressure forced many women out of the workplace and into the home for decades. The constitutional framework that permitted this discrimination is still in place - allowing the government to create discrimin…
/r/MensRights21/01/19 06:33 PM
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