PlaidUndertones Archive

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16	Why don’t men go into Liberal Arts? Because the entirety of the humanities is ideologically locked into Critical Social Justice Theory. The only men allowed a career path, are those who will, at a minimum pretend to, believe that men systemically oppress women across all levels of being and that men need to correct that by inhabiting a self hating group identity. I mean, that's one of the main reasons, at least.	/r/MensRights	09/10/20 05:46 PM
5	Important: The White Houses Executive Order On Combating Racism And Sex Stereotyping. Twitter @realchrisrufo He did some impactful investigative journalism which got the situation in front of OMB director russ vought, which got it in front of Trump. The main target was Critical Race Theory, but it's been expanded to Critical Social Justice Theory as a whole, which is the "parent" religion/ideology to CRT, aka Wokeism.	/r/MensRights	23/09/20 12:53 PM
4	Important: The White Houses Executive Order On Combating Racism And Sex Stereotyping. Chris Rufo deserves so much credit for this move by Trump.	/r/MensRights	23/09/20 12:43 PM
7	Executive Order on Combating Race and Sex Stereotyping \| The White House There's a strong case that this is an upholding of the first amendment. https://newdiscourses.com/2020/09/first-amendment-case-freedom-from-woke-religion/	/r/MensRights	23/09/20 12:41 PM
9	Mathematics “reeks of white supremacist patriarchy.” It's actually quite easy to make this stuff up. That's exactly what they do. Crit theory "scholarship" is way easier to write than actual scientific scholarship. You just need to understand the worldview, find some bit of knowledge, figure out how to problematize it (takes about 5 minutes), and write a 10 page blog post about it while citing people like Butler or Davis or Crenshaw. Tada! Social Justice Achieved!	/r/MensRights	12/08/20 03:52 AM
2	Mathematics “reeks of white supremacist patriarchy.” This is the Critical Social Justice Theory that I've been trying to warn and inform people about. James Lindsey @ConceptualJames got this one going when he made a meme about 2+2=4 being oppressive according to CSJ Theory. It all comes down to the denial of objective reality in order to undo the enlightenment.	/r/MensRights	12/08/20 03:38 AM
3	“Straight men are stupid” This is because their group identity is not only the members of the group currently suffering oppression, but also all members of the group that have ever existed and the collective knowledge of oppression across time, all added together. It's liberation of ancestors.	/r/MensRights	10/08/20 11:44 PM
1	“Straight men are stupid” While I generally like the Street Epistemology approach, I have doubts that approach will work here, because the Critical Social Justice belief system does not have an epistemology tethered to truth, but rather to liberation from oppression. So their statement is authorized as true because it serves liberation of women from men.	/r/MensRights	10/08/20 11:37 PM
1	“Straight men are stupid” It seems unlikely that presenting a decision dilemma between anarchism and totalitarianism will be a useful tactic. Probably the best deconversion tactic would be to get them to set a "peak woke" line in the sand. Get them to think for themselves when too far is too far. Most people who sign up for an ideology don't think it thru, and even getting them to do so is a good first step. It's very difficult to get people to say something is bad, when they've already committed to it being good.	/r/MensRights	10/08/20 07:49 PM
3	“Straight men are stupid” Yes, they are arguing the Critical Social Justice Theory version of morality. It is based on Marxian conflict theory and Intersectionality of identity. Every identity axis has an oppressor/oppressed dichotomy (here, male oppressor, female oppressed) which informs which group requires liberation from oppression, regardless of context or intent. Argue with them if you want, but just know that they consider individuality, equality, and reason to be White Male Supremacist power games.	/r/MensRights	10/08/20 06:41 PM
1	this person is saying Kill all men is okay, while Stay in the kitchen isn't. turns out they arent even a troll. "Pointing out problems" is not generally a useful tactic on its own. If you want to convince the crowd you have to address the moral case being made which has deprioritized equality. Yes, their moral case is sophistry that they probably don't even fully understand themselves, that doesn't matter. Principles rarely win over moral arguments in the court of public opinion. Make the universalist, anti-identitarian argument.	/r/MensRights	03/08/20 03:38 AM
3	Is the MRM Left or Right? I'm using the traditional meaning of Liberalism, as in the enlightenment. I am not confused. Liberalism values the individual, equality before the law, universalism, etc. Human rights movements seeking those things are using Liberal arguments. I believe you are using "leftism" to describe collectivist arguments, yes? Old school Marxists might find common cause with Liberals in the materialist issues. Meanwhile, the Critical Social Justice types are non-materialist and will never find common unde…	/r/MensRights	03/08/20 01:24 AM
7	Is the MRM Left or Right? A human rights movement is generally arguing from a standpoint of Liberalism, which can contain both left and right leaning positions. This men's human rights movement is more likely to be cast on the right because Intersectional Feminism is on the anti-liberal left and they use that casting to warn those on the liberal left that they'll be kicked out of the club if they don't align with Feminism on this issue.	/r/MensRights	02/08/20 11:12 PM
18	this person is saying Kill all men is okay, while Stay in the kitchen isn't. turns out they arent even a troll. This is the privileged/oppressed model of group power dynamics that you'll find in Intersectional Feminism, or any other area of Critical Social Justice Theory. Your arguments will not be considered relevant to their worldview because masculinity is defined as the privileged gender. Argue with these people if you want to, but you would be more effective at convincing the onlookers if you understand both your own ethics as well as theirs. Saying "equality, right?" may feel like a win there, but t…	/r/MensRights	02/08/20 09:57 PM
1	Feminism is just a branch of cultural Marxism Mechanically speaking, it's religious in that the postmodern epistimology is not tethered to reality, on purpose. For them Truth is mandated by the Power to do so, in much the same way that God defines Good. In both, this guiding force supplants objective truth as the base of morals and replaces it with a construct with the power to define correct thinking. Anybody who studies religions can tell you how this is used to 'win' cultural battles. If an ideology can define sin (oppression), then guil…	/r/MensRights	25/07/20 03:15 PM
1	Feminism is just a branch of cultural Marxism This is why Critical Race Theory and Queer Theory have opposite approaches. People trend towards tribal affiliation on race as a rough but flawed cultural marker, and so CRT doubles down on the importance of race. People do not, in general, live their lives in a sex segregated way, so under Queer Theory the goal is to deconstruct the idea of gender (and then sex as well) so the categories fall apart, which makes it much harder to do activism based on gender/sex solidarity. This is what causes th…	/r/MensRights	25/07/20 02:03 PM
1	Feminism is just a branch of cultural Marxism Well, the religion is called Wokism because they've been awakened to a critical consciousness. This phrase is mostly known from Pedagogy of the Oppressed, where Freire talks about how he attached Critical Theory like a virus to Literacy Education so that his students started to think primarily in terms of the words he taught and the meanings he promoted. Students who have Critical Pedagogy inflicted on them are very likely to become militant activists because every topic they learn is infused wi…	/r/MensRights	25/07/20 01:25 PM
2	Feminism is just a branch of cultural Marxism James Lindsay over at newdiscourses.com does a better job than I could at tying all the threads together and unobscuring it all.	/r/MensRights	25/07/20 01:01 PM
2	Feminism is just a branch of cultural Marxism It is a failing game to attempt to beat Critical Social Justice by treating it like communism. The Marxist communists lost the direct fight with liberal capitalists, but that game will not work this time. CSJ may look like communism because they've imported Marxian conflict theory, but it's imported into a postmodern/religious framework that creates and wins conflicts at the level of language and meaning first. Their tools are MUCH more effective than a simple class analysis.	/r/MensRights	25/07/20 12:45 PM
2	Feminism is just a branch of cultural Marxism You are close, but not exactly correct. Critical Social Justice imports the Marxian Conflict Theory from Neo Marxism. But it is not a "direct evolution". The real base of CSJ is postmodernism, especially Foucault and Derrida. As for the Feminism aspect, Crenshaw created Intersectionality as a legal theory. This is what enabled Black Feminism to morph into Intersectional Feminism and its first victim was Radical Feminism. Intersectional Feminism is the dominant one today, under the Critical Socia…	/r/MensRights	25/07/20 12:29 PM
8	Men's Lives Matter. Regardless of your support of one of the arguments of BLM, BLM is a Critical Social Justice Theory based movement, more specifically Critical Race Theory. Part of the worldview of CSJ is the Marxian Conflict Theory which requires a oppressor/oppressed power dynamic in all social systems and interactions. In this worldview, men are the oppressor and women are the oppressed. In this worldview, it is a sin to not center the identities when talking about an issue. In short, the activism will not cha…	/r/MensRights	24/07/20 02:52 AM
2	Why are we making feminism the enemy? Intersectional Feminism, the one taught at universities for the last 20-30 years, the one that ate up and spit out Radical Feminism, the one under the umbrella of the Critical Social Justice Theory movement (Wokism) that is currently on a tear through all our institutions right now, defines the masculine identity as a creator of oppression and the feminine identity as the oppressed who have the right to hate their oppressors and dismantle any system or discourse that supports them. Let me know w…	/r/MensRights	24/07/20 02:07 AM
-1	Women try to silence other women who don't subscribe to their ideology, which 100% confirms the idea that they don't give a fuck about equality of opinion or 'hearing womens voices'. It has to do with Freire's critical pedagogy. Some ignorant groups have used it wrong, yes. Shrug.	/r/MensRights	23/07/20 05:09 AM
14	Women try to silence other women who don't subscribe to their ideology, which 100% confirms the idea that they don't give a fuck about equality of opinion or 'hearing womens voices'. Under Critical Social Justice Theory, liberation from oppression is achieved by awakening to a critical consciousness of your oppression (being woke). Any thought contrary to this goal is the product of a false consciousness. A woman's lived experience is only authentic or valid if it is woke, Aka conforms to critical theory. Because her lived experience is not woke, she needs to Do The Work, agree with crit theory, and Do Better. Otherwise she is a sinner before the eyes of woke social justice.	/r/MensRights	22/07/20 05:56 PM
3	The problem with academics writing about men and masculinity is that they leave so many men out of the conversation The reason they don't care about the "lived experience" of men is that critical theory only cares about "authentic" narratives that come from a person who has a "critical consciousness" "awakened" to their oppression. Because they theorize men as oppressor, not oppressed, their male lived experiences cannot contribute to liberation, and thus cannot matter. To translate from the wokish, "masculinity is oppression, so shut up and do as I say." The overall goal is to deconstruct gender, and your st…	/r/MensRights	21/07/20 02:25 AM
25	Why can't we work together? Because Intersectional Feminism, being under the Critical Social Justice Theory umbrella, uses Marxian Conflict Theory to describe women as oppressed. To be oppressed, they need an oppressor, men. To grant men as a group any oppression, would be to invalidate their moral framework.	/r/MensRights	20/07/20 03:58 AM
3	Being forced into a war I want no part of You will probably be better able to resolve your emotions once you understand the underlying worldview which is causing the division, Critical Social Justice. Here is a great resource for that https://newdiscourses.com/translations-from-the-wokish/ Most of humanity is not in the fight they wish to be in, but nevertheless, make your choices based on sound reasoning.	/r/MensRights	20/06/20 04:19 PM
16	My mom always said when your on a date you pay. I asked why and she said "its rude if the man doesn't pay for every dinner, and you need to be respectful." I was confused why just because your gender you have to pay for dinner. It's important to understand to what you are giving that respect. In her line of argument, you are being respectful to the traditional gender role of "men must signal their success and commitment via spending resources". If you don't want to attract a traditional-oriented woman, don't signal for that. There is, of course, no promise that that is the only type of woman you will attract. Signals must be repeated and must be examined. We call that dating. Be aware, then, of what you ARE signaling f…	/r/MensRights	17/06/20 03:36 PM
97	I don't want this to be a political post...but Michelle Obama and CNN blatantly insult fathers with sexist stereotypes So, to be clear, they are saying that single motherhood is analogous to normalcy, while divorced dad is analogous to hedonistic selfishness? This is the narrative they think will bring out the male base that didn't vote last election? "vote for us, men, because you are a bad parent" Clown world	/r/MensRights	16/04/19 05:29 PM
2	Andrew Yang, Upstart Democratic Presidential Candidate, Comes Out Against Circumcision Here, ladies and gentlemen, is an ideologically possessed person. No nuance, no humility in the face of complexity, the ideology delivers simple answers and anybody who steps outside it is dangerous and stupid. My only regret is not noticing sooner.	/r/MensRights	22/03/19 09:50 AM
1	Andrew Yang, Upstart Democratic Presidential Candidate, Comes Out Against Circumcision Fair enough that I assumed they were referring to ubi, considering that it his primary running policy. I suppose we'll have to just leave the disagreement about those policy plans. Devos was not a candidate. Candidate Trump, as far as I can tell, didn't make a stance. Obviously, I appreciate Devos rolling it back, but she didn't go far enough, as far as I'm concerned. I don't mind a politician who engages with identity conversations, some people deeply care about it and you can't throw away vote…	/r/MensRights	21/03/19 07:11 PM
6	Andrew Yang, Upstart Democratic Presidential Candidate, Comes Out Against Circumcision because... you say so. gotcha. UBI is intended to keep the capitalist engine running, by correcting for the zero magnet problem. If you allow systemic problems with capitalism to fester, rather than correcting for them, that is what is going to lead to non-capitalist systems because they will be demanded. Whether UBI will work, is a different question. But ideological purity is not a workable system for any infinitely repeated game, like economies.	/r/MensRights	21/03/19 04:12 PM
4	Andrew Yang, Upstart Democratic Presidential Candidate, Comes Out Against Circumcision He doesn't easily fall into a camp. That's for sure. I can respect that.	/r/MensRights	21/03/19 12:19 PM
2	Andrew Yang, Upstart Democratic Presidential Candidate, Comes Out Against Circumcision "size of government" is not a useful measure. Even if it were, it is only rhetorically related to calling someone a Marxist. Fair enough that you may disagree with ubi. I'm personally not sold on the best method for dealing with the underlying problem. capitalism is awrsome, but it does have problems that require error correction systems. One problem is monopolies, which we generally address given enough time. Another problem is the zero magnet, which so far we've done a bad job addressing. To c…	/r/MensRights	21/03/19 12:17 PM
2	Andrew Yang, Upstart Democratic Presidential Candidate, Comes Out Against Circumcision Really? They aren't remotely close? The idea that UBI is Marxist but NIT is not... They are different in slight degree, not in kind. Both recognize the problem of the magnetic zero within capitalism and the need to correct for it using redistribution thru taxes, in order to preserve capitalism. There is nothing in ubi that requires belief in a global worker takeover analysis.	/r/MensRights	21/03/19 02:43 AM
3	Andrew Yang, Upstart Democratic Presidential Candidate, Comes Out Against Circumcision Milton Friedman supported UBI. Was he also a Marxist?	/r/MensRights	20/03/19 10:19 PM
3	Jordan Peterson On Scandinavian Talkshow - Newman interview light Everything here from the host and Peterson seemed reasonable to me. Audio cut out at the end tho. Not much here about men's rights, except perhaps when they start talking about gendered occupations. I think he made the case in a pretty standard fashion.	/r/MensRights	29/10/18 10:54 PM
-2	[UPDATE - SHE RESPONDED!] - My response to a democrat looking for support in the upcoming election Marijuana legalization is not a democratic party policy. The people, left center and right, have had to do it by popular vote. I would absolutely love it if either party backed this issue, but they won't, yet. The Republicans might back it as a small government issue. But we all know the Democrats would frame it within the identity politics of preventing cops from oppressing black and brown folks. Gun control is nearly always sold as a way to keep our women and children safe from our men. "gun n…	/r/MensRights	29/10/18 08:09 PM
3	[UPDATE - SHE RESPONDED!] - My response to a democrat looking for support in the upcoming election Nowhere does he say he's oppressed. He's saying that calling him an oppressor isn't how to win his vote. The response to that was to call him an ignorant oppressor. If you truly believe that the only two possibilities are oppressor or oppressed, then I could understand your confusion. Are you interested in understanding, or just calling people names?	/r/MensRights	29/10/18 07:23 PM
2	[UPDATE - SHE RESPONDED!] - My response to a democrat looking for support in the upcoming election Go ahead and do a search for "democratic party the future is female" . To be clear, I wouldn't vote R either. Tradcons are no friend to downtrodden men, much less the warmongers or Bible thumpers. But to pretend that the Democratic party has clean hands is being an ostrich. The social issue stances are rooted in identity politics from top to bottom, while the economic and foreign policy issues are republican-light, as Obama himself said during his first campaign. Go ahead and name, let's say jus…	/r/MensRights	29/10/18 07:11 PM
16	[UPDATE - SHE RESPONDED!] - My response to a democrat looking for support in the upcoming election He's not saying he's actually a nazi. He's saying that's how the left is labeling him, due to his genetic identity defining him as an oppressor. Fair enough that he's not fully clear at the start of that passage. The allegiance he's talking about is to the identity politics wing of the democratic party. Fighting for equal rights and protections from a liberal, universal perspective does not mean demonizing white males. Doing it from the perspective of identity politics, apparently does. Linking …	/r/MensRights	29/10/18 05:42 PM