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Pola_Lita/r/RedPillWomen03/01/20 03:03 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 12:05 PM
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Yes. More women are more concerned about advancing finances, education, careers, etc., than attracting men via their appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 03:15 AM
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And a woman's worth will always be strongly tied to her appearance Unlikely.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 07:02 PM
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But the decision to create the best photo possible comes from RL.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 06:36 PM
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You say "still" as if this is every going to change... It's changing every minute of every day. Compare now to 50 or 100 years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 06:35 PM
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It's changing, but society's belief that a woman's worth is tied to her physical appearance is still very strong. We're raised and expected to pay lots of attention to how we look. I tend to doubt there are as many professional photos as you're thinking, but rather, it's a case of lots of practice both in judging our appearance and taking selfies. So it's just common sense to want the best possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 06:13 AM
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It depends on her sense of self, her acceptance/rejection of traditional values regarding her own body and sexuality, how well connected she is with both and her ability to select worthy partners. They tend to choose casual partners less on looks but on whether or not the guy seems non-judgmental, respectful, and mainly looking to have a good time above all else. I'll be interested to find out if this is true in general. For me, physical attractiveness is as important as every other aspect. Good…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 02:53 PM
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There are all sorts of people who don't think it's a major shame and catastrophe to raise a child who isn't biologically theirs with a woman who's had sex with other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 04:25 AM
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They kind of are relationship wise, buf not sexually because men are still really driven for sex. But my point is that women aren't likely to be bothered by a fractional percentage of men who reject them, no matter the reason, if they're already overwhelmingly rejecting men in the first place. There's no argument that men are more than willing to use a woman for sex without being upfront about it first. Or that if men would stop demanding women who have no interest in sex without relationships, …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 07:50 AM
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on a trash news sites... a FB gossip pages... The younger party might even be as old as early thirties... But it would make zero sense to give this sort any value, considering the source or the fundamental lack of logic. I've seen comments saying men would rather rape than engage in consensual sex due to some lizard-brain type of hardwiring and I don't give it any credence. I was looking more for "normal-brained" people saying it. "Nonce" Haha. I love the Queen's English so much more than Americ…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 07:42 AM
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What are you basing this opinion on? What could you actually know about our situation? My husband owns a sophisticated, competitive business in a large city wherein image is a priority. In the category of business attire makeup is to a woman what a tie is to a man. My job description consists primarily of keeping him company, enjoying social connections and being errand-girl for a very busy staff from clerical to admin. I have my own small office and I enjoy it much more than I would just stayin…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 04:58 AM
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I mean if women assumed it was fine to turn down 95% of men because the men they chose would never turn her down, but then those men they chose start to turn them down, the yeah that's going to play a significant role. IF it were to happen in significant numbers, then yes, it could. But the idea that we reject some men because other men don't reject us, rather than simply because these other men aren't suitable is a silly one. People of both genders are far more likely to remain alone that accep…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/25 04:43 AM
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It’s a well known fact how much MOST men hate makeup and plastic surgery on women. We don’t like fake people. We want authenticity. The only guys who like plastic surgery on women are sick in the head. You may PREFER the natural beauty who needs no cosmetics or surgery but you will (same as women) accept it as long as it enhances a woman's looks. The million-billion dollar cosmetic industry says you don't speak for the majority, and even if you say 'Oh, but women compete with each other!', yes t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 08:13 PM
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This is something society did to itself, primarily at the behest of and for the benefit of men. Had prevailing attitudes been less hypocritical, men as well as women would have been taught sexual self-control along with other standard human disciplines. Not only would this have allowed men to be actively responsible for their sexuality, it would have lifted the burden of pretense and denial from women regarding their own. When we have this, it's win-win.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 08:06 PM
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It started tens of thousands of years ago It came from the need for species survival I disagree. It resulted in species survival but it came of the need for company, and society, and primarily because it felt good. Getting tangled in with politics and power distorted these motivations but it may be righting itself again. I hope.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 08:00 PM
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I am in a happily gender-roll relationship now, but previous to that I had given up on dating, etc. The effort and the scarcity of suitable men vs the rewards, at least realistically speaking at the time, just made it a bad investment.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 07:47 PM
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Both parties complain, but women mostly complain to other women behind closed doors, which is why we see this ardent insistence that women are happily single, while men aren't. Believing the men she may know to be unsuitable for partnership and being open to a good heterosexual relationship AND being happily single aren't mutually exclusive. And even for all that, I read LOTS of complaints about men on PPD and other places as well as hearing them RL, in and out of the presence of men. There's no…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 07:42 PM
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It is possible that women do the majority of rejecting, and also that an increasing number of male rejection also gets noticed by women. The two are not mutually exclusive. They aren't. But neither does that make the percent of men who are starting to reject women a significant factor in the decline of heterosexual relationships or the annoyance of women unable to find a suitable partner. What you're referring to may eventually turn into a "big part", because who ever knows. But it isn't now. No…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 07:31 PM
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I don't think a man being attracted to women in their 20s makes him a pedophile as many on this sub would argue. To be fair, can you offer a few quotes? I've seen people complain that it makes the older man exploitative or even creepy but I've never seen the term "pedophile" applied.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 07:21 PM
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It's not men swiping left on 95% of profiles. Men are beginning to be a fraction as choosy as women, and a ton of women don't like it. But if (according to most men on PPD at least) women are doing the overwhelming majority of the rejecting, it doesn't make sense that more than a few of us would even notice the change in male attitudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 11:51 AM
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Women don't start complaining until they reach their early to mid 30s and feel that biological clock ticking. Prior to that, most women can handle their emotional and sexual needs without being in a monogamous relationship. Even if this reasoning were the actual cause, you're still dealing with a situation where it's MEN who are complaining of being rejected by women, not vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 11:44 AM
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The reason for it can be argued later; what I'm trying to understand is after all this time of hearing men say women's standards are too high and complaining that women only choose the top 10% of men, u/numerberonecynic is saying that hetero relationships are declining due to *men* being unwilling to form them. I don't think this is one of those times when it can be both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 11:41 AM
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So it's MEN who are unwilling to form relationships rather than women? I honestly haven't heard women complaining about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 06:10 PM
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Aren't you saying that hetero relationships are on the decline because men don't like what they're hearing women say? As in, men are reluctant to form relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 05:58 PM
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I believe this is a big part of the reason for the declining rate of heterosexual relationships. Men listening to women, unfiltered by the lens of "niceness" or social respectability, and opting out of being the asexual "back up plan." If this were the case, wouldn't it be women having trouble finding men who accept them rather than the other way around?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 05:39 PM
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Mental illness is one thing. It doesn't require much therapy unless it's gone untreated for a long time, it's mostly a bio thing. I question how helpful talk therapy would be for men in general. Men don't talk the way women do and I can't think why that should be due to nurture more than nature, since men have had the upper hand socially for almost always. As in, maybe men don't go to therapy because it *doesn't* help them the way it helps women. It's one thing though, to care about men's mental…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 05:18 PM
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Men have never really been taught or expected to change for a woman, while "pleasing your man" was drilled into women from the time they were old enough to understand it. Except now fewer and fewer women are being taught these things in addition to having less and less motivation to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 01:52 PM
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"Hold your nose and vote for Trump"?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 01:32 PM
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Yep. That’s the only reason. Why, then?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 09:16 AM
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Imagine that happening to a woman Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 02:36 AM
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Take Bezos for example had he never married he wouldn't ha d been out of. $80 billion and he could have done surrogacy and supported dozens of children. You're talking about humans here. Not livestock.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 02:18 AM
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They have more say than women do. The difference is that far fewer women are capable of objectifying men than vice versa. That means the general male minimum is an acceptable female body where women are still largely expected and taught that simple sexual gratification (an acceptable male body) is morally wrong. There is often reprisal for women of one form or another for breaking this rule. So the reality is while men can freely choose from 90% of women, women are very much pressured to choose …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 02:02 AM
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I don’t get it. Women have the choose to abort or not so shouldn’t men have the choice not to be financially responsible for the child? What if the man didn’t want to have a child? Women have a choice of whether to create another person from conception. Men don't. Women are not responsible for this and, considering that men don't have to gestate either, aren't really getting the best side of the bargain in the first place. If a man doesn't want a child, all that's required is not leaving his spe…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 01:46 AM
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Don’t know what else to tell you Tell me the reasons you Nevermind. Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 04:49 PM
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This whole post is asking the sub if this is okay. So I’m giving a general opinion. Obviously if the man wants to cuck himself, that’s his choice. This is already clear. What I've been asking is why your opinion should trump his. And if so, why wouldn't that mean he's being "cucked" by you? As in, I'm trying to find out the logic behind your opinion but you seem unwilling to offer it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 09:59 AM
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At her current age she is in a situation where she is it is essentially a lose lose situation. At 25? Explain, please? At this point she is and she said verbatim "Going on Tinder and finding the tallest and most visually appealing man to fuck". At her current age she is in a situation where she is it is essentially a lose lose situation. Why do you say this? For a lot of people (men and women) an FWB is beneficial. Option 1: The men she find on this side are well educated and making good money. …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 09:52 AM
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It does count. It’s not the man’s child. When it's voluntary, that means he says it doesn't matter. Why should your personal preference overrides what he wants for himself?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 06:02 PM
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Either make it equal for both sides or both parents should be biological to their child. How could it matter when it's voluntary? You're talking as if your personal values are what count, not the child's well-being or the adults preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 11:57 AM
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So the child grows up without either biological parent in their life? Simply as a matter of electives on the adult's part? That's disgusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 08:54 AM
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The woman gets the baby she wants, you get a relationship, she gets a relationship. Does the child go through life without its biological father? What are you even thinking?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 08:48 AM
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Yet it doesn't override the callous response and poor ability to connect if you're running from someone with whom you share a close romantic relationship. Some things cannot be taught or even obligate one to explanation. And other times kindnesses are just given, without being required or even deserved. Hence the exception, "depending on our relationship." I said that plainly, I think. And exiting can just as often be a severing of connection as an indication of the inability to form one. I can'…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 08:37 AM
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A time when people feel most vulnerable, close, safe with each other isn't the time to bring up an important issue he feels his significant other to know because of the damaging it causes to him? There are two people in that bed. Her feelings and damages are as deserving of consideration as his. Right. I am amused. Neither of the reasons you've now given are conventional sources of amusement. I believe, to one degree or another, my post made you unhappy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 10:52 PM
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Yike. This doesn't sound as if you hold us in much esteem. It depends on the porn itself and how the man uses it. Porn that represents women as idiotic creatures with no sexual control or the man whose use of any type prevents him from or helps him avoid functioning like a grown-up man aren't what I want in my life. I don't hate these men, but it should be fairly obvious why I prefer to avoid them. TBH, the reasons you gave sound a bit self-serving.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 11:07 AM
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Because I found it amusing... I don't think you're being genuine describing your reaction, but a man who thinks that's a good time to talk about SA accusations simply isn't someone I'd want as a friend, let alone a lover. It just isn't something that requires further clarification, and as I said, depending on our relationship I might or might not feel he deserves clarification about my response.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 10:54 AM
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Yep. "Depending on how long I'd known this man..." The better I knew him the more likely I would take the time to tell him what I thought. Why do you ask?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 10:31 PM
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Because they don't have as much options as women. This makes no sense. Men have been doing this since times when it would be devastating for a woman even to have sex. They do it because it's what they're taught and is expected of them and because it feels good. Women DON'T do it for the same reasons. Hypergamy is not dependent on criticism. Of course it is. If doing so causes ostracization or other loss of social status, the benefit of the practice is reduced, isn't it? This is why men tend to p…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 08:47 AM
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I'd be out of bed, dressed and, depending on how long I'd known this man, on my way to my car in just a little more time than it took for her dramatic pose.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 07:57 AM
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Some do of course just like some blue pillers will let a woman walk all over them but I think the true red piller takes pride in being. Able to provide and fill the other aspects needed You know, I used to read MRP and if you mean those men, exclusively, I agree. But think about all the sneaky and "try to make her feel bad!" ideas. And that plate thing. How can you justify an ideology that endorses tricking women into behaviors that they believe reduces her value?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 05:35 AM
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But it’s sure an indication of who tapped out of the marriage and doesn’t take their vows serious lol 😂 No, it's not. A man who doesn't take his marriage seriously or perhaps thinks his violations are "no big deal" or simply balks at the idea of splitting marital gains isn't nearly as likely to file as a wife who is made miserable by his behavior. There are also those who feel that filing would be admitting their marriage is over, and why.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 05:28 AM
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Why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 05:17 AM
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Women are having sex with who they want to have sex with. They're not choosing top 10% due to pressure or some shit. The idea that if women got zero criticism they would stop banging top tier guys and start banging mid guys is honestly laughable. Of course they would. Why do you think so many men will have sex with any woman who is willing? Do you honestly think that has nothing to do with society's approval and expectation? Women bang hot guys because they can, not as a reaction to anything. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 05:15 AM
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Dude. I'm obviously not talking about that. I'm talking about a romantic relationship. This is dating debate sub Romantic relationships can and do exist without commitment. That lack can be from one or both sides. People can tell women to do that all day. Doesn't mean they will listen. And they have the power to withold sex so they are going to continuously do so Are you sure? Have you considered our historical pattern from the time virginity was a non-negotiable and women had no other means of …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 04:57 AM
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I think a lot of redpill men started out trusting and respecting women, but had bad experiences It's probably true. But considering the nature of RP ideology, my guess is that the bad experience was primarily their own doing. Lots of things change in people but their morals - rarely.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 01:07 AM
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From everything I've read and experienced, RP wants to use a woman, either for sex or domestic services without even contributing honesty to the relationship, while anything less one-sided is considered an undesirable situation. Bluepill tends to have the same sexual enthusiasm but doesn't see a relationship based on mutual trust, honesty, affection and level of commitment (or even the lack thereof) as a bad thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 11:20 PM
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It shouldn’t be a “trade-off”. These aren’t gambling chips. You should be having sex with someone when you feel it’s the right time in the relationship. Not something you’re bargaining out. And yes. The fact that men are taught that is bad for them and it would be best for everyone if it changed. Yep. But it won’t. Of course it won’t. Jeez, don't be so gloomy. It has already changed and it won't stop changing. Think about how it was even 50 years ago!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 11:14 PM
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I mean regardless basically same thing People can have a relationship without commitment. It's commitment that makes it special. It doesn't matter if they want the power. They have it. Which means they hold heavy cards in a HUGE part of the dating landscape. Also most women are trading sex for something. That something is not always material like money. Sometimes it's for relationships or even better quality men. This is my point. We cannot tell women that they must artificially limit their sexu…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 11:10 PM
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She's not a very smart woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 10:58 PM
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If they want that, why will they throw it away for a slightly hotter asshole at the first opportunity? Assholes tend to be interchangeable?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 10:50 PM
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70% of divorces are filled by women who want better lol 😂 Who files isn't an indication of fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 10:48 PM
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I think it's more a 'grass is always greener on the other side'-thing. People typically desire more what they don't have, and simultaneously, people are less appreciative of the things they have in spades. Sometimes I think this is the basis for much of the complaints about dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 10:45 PM
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Which men will lose? The average man, of course. If we didn't expect women's sexual experiences to mean any more than we do men's, we wouldn't have women feeling like every sexual encounter needs to be with a man of what's usually referred to as the top 10%. Criticizing women for sexual behavior while also criticizing them for selectiveness AND criticizing us for poor selection is always going to end this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 10:02 PM
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Women are also the gatekeepers of commitment. In fact if we’re going to use this frame of the situation, women gatekeep both sex AND commitment. That doesn't make sense. The trade-off is sex for commitment. Men who want commitment want it more than women do, trust me. What are you basing this on? Men are taught and expected to engage in casual sex in a way women have never been and still aren't. Women won’t commit before having sex at all. I know for certain this is false. Trad wives, RedPill wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 09:53 PM
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But that is literally true to a certain degree. I don't even believe the end part of that men of the game keepers our relationships it's usually the women that are gate keepers of that too It's gate keepers of commitment, not relationships. But what are you thinking here? This would be twice as bad. Being gate keepers of sex isn't something most women want. What it means is having to trade sex for one thing or another from a man. It used to be unavoidable when men had the bulk of the money and p…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 09:35 PM
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Is anybody claiming that it's necessarily a ruse? I don't know what u/LevelCaterpillar1830 is claiming. That's why I asked. It's not surprising for a big businessman or monarch to be less humble than someone with low social status. That doesn't mean that either of them is putting on a self-conscious ruse or being ingenuine. Their mentality can be genuine and also a reflection of different circumstances. Makes sense to me. I just didn't get anything like this out of what he posted.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 09:25 PM
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So, we should stop expecting women to do this, right? That way, each side can want the other in the same ways, for the same reasons and receive the same social judgement.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 09:21 PM
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The second is just a typical deflection. You know what I was trying to say. Assuming what other people are trying to say is a bad habit. If I have any doubt at all, I ask. Tell me what you meant to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 09:15 PM
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The whole "Only men can truly love" thing was a meme all along. It's natural to be a "loverboy" when you can barely get a text back from a woman, or have like 2 talking stages per year. If men aren't really genuine in the way they present themselves to women, wouldn't aloof and suspicious be the most sensible stance for a woman to take? Please remember this aspect of life: The kindest and most loving person in the room is usually the most replaceable. Are you saying that women don't want a lovin…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 10:14 AM
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As long as people want to push the idea that women are gatekeepers of sex and men of commitment, things are going to be strange this way. Trying to constrain women sexually without men ending up losing as well just isn't going to work. Ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 09:58 AM
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...I find it ridiculous how many women will blindly regurgitate "size doesn't matter" until it happens to them. I got the sense this woman meant "ineffective for PIV" when she said not quite a micropenis. I don't think most women are referring to this extreme when they say size doesn't matter. If we deny that size is even an issue at all, then we can never solve it, which leads to disappointing sex for women, and emotional trauma for men who keep getting rejected for their size but not being tol…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 05:00 AM
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A man who wants a partner isn't afraid of putting the efforts. Sometimes. My husband decided he wanted me, made a plan, made the effort and then married me. From most men on this sub, though, comes criticisms and complaints about dating and advice such as "never approach!" and "never pay a cent more than she does on a date!" So much is about how to contribute the least amount but still end up with a loving relationship. As if. It makes me remember there was a time when some men could dodge all t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/25 01:15 PM
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Marriage therapists reccomend it cause of the happy wife happy life mantra famously used by dr Phil,Oprah even psychological studies themselves have shown that a marriage depends on wife unhappiness not husbands therefore to stop a woman from leaving therapists recommend it cause men stay in supposedly unhappy marriages as compared to woman So, if a man will stay in an unhappy marriage but a woman won't and the goal is to preserve the marriage why would the husband's happiness matter? Still, are…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 11:41 PM
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If someone pinches pennies to that extent, I'd assume they just didn't like spending time with me that much and still went along with it anyway because they had nothing better to do. I couldn't imagine why a person would bother but I suppose it's possible. It takes all kinds, yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 09:03 AM
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Are you saying that fat men aren't at a similar disadvantage? Men objectify a lot more, it's true, but overweight seems to have its own category for decreasing attractiveness in men. I'd think the counterpart to awkward men would be aggressive women. The major problem I have with your theory is it's so subjective, being heavily based on your own experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 08:58 AM
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This whole theory ignores the fact that men, in general and being human, cannot be trusted with the sort of authority and social domination that's integral to the society you're describing. They had a history full of chances but they just didn't manage it. It's why feminism exists in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 08:47 AM
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They tend to think they should protect their assets from any onlookers -i.e. their dates- and any date that involves money would make them preys. This is the money issue I'm talking about, exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 08:37 AM
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And...? So the wrong, according to your thinking, is that women do it but men can't? The child isn't the victim here, but the father? Both parents aren't obligated to the children they create? IT'S WRONG, NO MATTER WHO DOES IT.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 08:29 AM
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It's no different than the mother deciding to not put down the father's name on the birth certificate. Plenty of single mothers decided not to involve the fathers. That doesn't make it right. BOTH parents have a responsibility to their child.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/25 08:25 AM
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Sex and reproductive control for women needs laws and education. DEI needs to be overhauled or maybe abandoned because it seems to be doing more harm than good for anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 07:41 AM
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There is a reasonable argument that men should be able to disavow responsibility for potential children BEFORE SEX. Have the woman sign a waiver that she understands you will bear no responsibility for any resulting pregnancy or children. Then she can make an informed decision about whether to have sex, or what forms of birth control to use. A mother doesn't have the authority to sign away a child's right to parental support. Or vice versa for that matter. If simply stating "I bear no responsibi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/25 07:19 AM
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Removed via legislature or simple education. People aren't malicious but they do need some sort of motivation before they'll change things.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 09:32 PM
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Now I'm confused: So RPW display a lower In-Group bias than BP women. This says RPW vs. BP. If the in-group was women on PPD in general, wouldn't you compare attacks men/men vs women/women?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 09:07 PM
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That's interesting. I hadn't noticed much beyond the dearth of RPW but now I'll be watching. One thing though - if RPWs only attack non-RPWs, wouldn't that be evidence of in-group bias as well? I'm thinking there's too few RPWs to tell, but I'll be watching.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 08:27 PM
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I do. There would have to be, but maybe 1%-2%?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 08:10 PM
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It makes my head spin a little :) I'm somewhere between liberal and radical; our society is in a large part patriarchal but that's not automatically a bad thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 08:07 PM
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They're the other half of the species. So by definition, femininity is attracted to masculinity and vice-versa. True enough that men haven't had the history of improving their appeal that women have but that would also mean that society's expectations would be relatively lower too. I mean, men ARE what the overwhelming majority of women are attracted to. It's a biological thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 07:57 PM
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It makes perfect sense when you’re the one getting rejected. When you’re the one constantly in the gym and working on your body. To you it does not. You don’t face this. Being in shape has zero effect on your physical appeal? I don't understand how me not experiencing rejection means I wouldn't know if the majority of men should be so unattractive no woman would want them, or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 07:49 PM
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Women in this community are also women in the world yes A small subset The problem with this, though, is it means OP isn't talking about the same thing you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 07:38 PM
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I'm genuinely trying to think of how this response could be anything other than disingenuous and I'm coming up short, sorry. Maybe just give a genuine answer? It may not be entirely my fault that I don't understand you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 10:08 AM
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He does say "In the context of this community..."
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 10:05 AM
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Other BP women? Or all other women on this site?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 09:44 AM
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As opposed to any other time right? What difference would that make either way? You asked what the benefit of the celebration is for the giver.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 09:40 AM
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I honestly just want others to realize that they have so much potential that’s wasted, and it’s honestly quite sad. It just doesn't make sense that there are as many "irredeemable" men as this sub makes it seem. I hope our male readers listen to you, OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 09:35 AM
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What Lalo said. Lalo's response was unclear. If you would answer the questions I asked, it would help clarify. Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 09:28 AM
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RPW argue with other women Whereas other women tend to conform, concede or support other women just because they’re women. Huh? RPWs argue with other women. BPs don't argue with other women. Who are RPWs arguing with, then? Or should I be asking who the "other women" are? Not because their point is sound. How did you come to this conclusion?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 09:24 AM
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I’m not sure where the inherit benefit of Valentine’s Day is for men is it gifts? The benefit is in seeing your SO feeling happy and loved.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 08:11 AM
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In the context of this community, the only real woman on woman debate comes from RPW. So RPW display a lower In-Group bias than BP women. Are you saying that RPWs tend to argue with other RPWs more here than BP women argue with other BPs? How did you come to this conclusion and how does that demonstrate in-group bias, please?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 07:45 AM
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Yeah but do you have higher SMV than him to justify extra expenses? Otherwise your time = his time without requiring any extra investments. Even if this were true, what does it matter? He decided what he wanted, how he would go about getting it, and proceeded from there. It worked, regardless. It could also mean he's egalitarian / feminist, It could include other motivations as well but the evidence indicates a money issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 07:17 AM
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Yes. This, exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 12:01 AM
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So let's say you knew 100% that money was not an issue and he still doesn't pay then what? But money IS an issue: "I would also say as a man, you should invest NO money into any dates you have with women unless they're already your girlfriend or wife." It's not random or coincidental. It's intentional. Also I'm not refuting that paying for dates is not the path of least resistance but generally being attracted to eachother physically and also conversationally is enough anything more than that su…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 11:52 PM
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The very next line and it’s not a reality for all men but a lot of men it is where the affection or love itself feels like a condition you have to unlock by showing love. Are you saying this is unreasonable? I can't imagine being affectionate toward someone who doesn't reciprocate. Another point though, if women (in general) don't return the love and affection they're shown by their husbands, why do marriage therapists continue to recommend it? And whether a woman expected love and affection fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 11:36 PM
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His time isn't free. You're not doing him a favor by spending your time with him. It isn't a question of his time/my time. He's free to spend his time, effort and money toward getting my attention. Paying a few bucks for a meal doesn't mean you have no money issues. Of course it doesn't. But when a man doesn't pay anything toward not only the first date but the second as well it's reasonable to believe it's intentional. It's good evidence of a money issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 11:26 PM
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I'm pretty sure women have been bucking tradition in the name of equality for a good chunk of time now. So am I. Which means that neither behavior is unusual. Odd that this scenario didn't make the list, seems like an easy one. Which scenario, specifically? I'm not sure I understand the point you're making. Explain, please?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 11:10 PM
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When women expect men to pay for dates, I don’t assume it’s because they have money issues, even though they’re often not paying. Tradition. There is a tradition in our culture of men paying for dates, where there is no tradition of men intentionally never paying for entertainment and that's the difference. Honestly, if by the 2nd date we were still doing freebies, I'd be unlikely to accept a 3rd regardless of whether I liked him or not. It would be clear that money was an issue and I wouldn't a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 06:18 AM
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As an extension of my first premise I would also say as a man, you should invest NO money into any dates you have with women unless they're already your girlfriend or wife. Do you explain this to the woman so she doesn't come to the conclusion that you have some issues around money? Have you done this before and how did it work out? Planning and paying for dates doesn’t create interest; it should only be a natural extension of mutual enthusiasm at the point of being already in the confindes of a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 05:19 AM
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...but usually men who date their wives usually don’t get the equal reciprocation they should and it feels to woman as if it’s something they expect but it’s not their expectation/duty to do. What are you basing this on?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 05:08 AM
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If you just want companionship, why not get a pet? I can't tell if you're offering this sarcastically, but yes, if a man is unwilling to find and value the good points in a woman who is no more attractive than he is, it makes no sense to expect more from a potential partner. If physical appearance is to be of primary importance, thinking she could just willingly "service" him sexually (since he doesn't appeal to her) is not only creepy but unlikely. 50 to 100 years ago, this probably happened re…
/r/ExRedPill13/02/25 05:00 AM
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Most of the men here are verbally and emotionally abusive in the way they express themselves. Most of them also claim to be nice guys with no options. This is something I've noticed, too. The majority of men who participate are incapable of responding more than once or twice in a debate without resorting to ad homs or just ridicule, yet a major complaint is around men never being given a chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 11:48 PM
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Does this somehow reinforce the idea, that if lots of women like a man, its because he's inherently worth it? To me, "inherently worth it" would mean having genetically inherited those traits that the majority of women find appealing. Ie, and man with no options deserves none. A man with lots of options also therefore deserves them? To say a man is or isn't deserving of one thing or another would be a moral argument. Something similar to karma or like that. To me, that's craziness.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 11:36 PM
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His lack of emotionalism is part of what I find sexually attractive about him and part of what makes me feel confident our gender-role relationship is working well. If he cried the way I do, I'd feel like we should be sharing decisions that I routinely leave to him. I'd feel like they were stressing him as much as they used to stress me, which would mean I'd need to start sharing that burden with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 11:09 PM
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It depends on what they're crying about. The only time I've seen a man even tear up is in response to a death, though. My husband isn't Mr. Convo but he does open up from time to time. He just rarely cries about it when he does. I wouldn't like it if he cried as much as I do, definitely.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 06:37 PM
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Will claim he wants a relationship because he cant get hookups. Even if he doesnt pump and dump, he clearly doesnt like the woman and is only tolerating her because she fucks him. Yike. I've seen it, but I couldn't figure out what was going on until I read this.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 06:20 PM
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More man blaming, misandry runs rampant here. In regard to...?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 06:15 PM
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"Women who know how to be friends with men know how to make it clear as day that they're only friends. " "... and draw that boundary or cut them off if they can't take no for an answer." This is nonsense and at least to me, has the ring of blaming the victim to it. If a man is bound to misinterpret, whether consciously or otherwise, no amount of knowledge about men is going to change that. And don't forget how much time and effort our society in general puts into objectification rather than reco…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 07:07 PM
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Common sense says it's a combination of universal preference, peer approval and personal preference. This applies to both male and female and in the selection of many things in addition to partners. It's natural and it's positive. Very few healthy people don't operate this way and of the few who don't, most are compensating. This isn't a "bizarre" behavior seen primarily in women nor is it the least bit unhealthy. We're social creatures.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/25 07:16 AM
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Idiots make assumptions and you did ask.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 09:31 PM
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"Nobody"? "Religious"? Anyway, you did ask.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 11:17 AM
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"Romantic loneliness" doesn't really make sense. The two words don't work together. Are you talking about desiring intimacy? Sexual/personal intimacy? No one dies without it but it's definitely something most healthy adults want. That would make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 11:15 AM
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It sounds like a corporation of sorts would suit you better, considering what you're expecting. Marriage is an all-in proposition and requires an all-in mindset from both partners to be successful. Find a woman whose outlook and expectations match yours and hire an attorney. Don't marry.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 11:08 AM
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Sexual intimacy can temporarily relieve some loneliness but lust and loneliness aren't the same things. Men on PPD have a tendency to use "loneliness" when they really mean "sexual desire" and I don't know why. It confuses things. Are you doing that now?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 01:56 AM
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If evidence won't change your mind, why are you trolling a debete with contentless rhetoric? Not everything that's held up to be "evidence" is in fact evidence. There are lots of things that I can't be dissuaded from simply due to first hand experience and common sense. They include the idea that men are far stronger physically and naturally more aggressive than women and that human beings as a group are overwhelmingly heterosexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 01:47 AM
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She has zero idea about me or anything deeper about men and it shows. Me and my father are too old to her to relate and she for decades thought we didnt knew anything about pretty much anything. Here, you're saying that the age difference between you and your sister is the reason your sister didn't learn anything about men from you. And you're also saying that immaturity is in fact her problem which is resolving as she gets older? If she truly knew nothing about men from you, this wouldn't be. S…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/25 01:25 AM
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Are you surprised that most civilian human rights violations during armed conflicts affect men? No, because I don't believe it. And, to be fair, nothing will ever convince me that they do. What is your point? The imbalance of power between civilians and soldiers is significant, factor in natural differences in physical size and strength between male and female and it's silly to even wonder which group will be victimized.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 05:01 AM
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Do you think poorly of men who stop seeing a woman because she didn’t have sex with him after a date (or 2 or 3 dates)? If he does it because he feels he's not getting value for money, then yes, he's an ass. OTOH, if he simply wants a relationship involving more sex and/or he's taken her lack of interest in sex as a lack of interest in him overall, that seems fair enough to me. Except if he's simply making assumptions on that last part. Then he's more of a semi-ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 04:51 AM
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How do you figure that's evidence she doesn't understand men? She must understand some things about them if she married and then stayed married long enough for 2 children. And, you might be confusing a lack of knowledge about men with immaturity. Still, I wasn't there and you may be right. Though of the siblings I grew up with, the oldest was 8 years older than me. I've felt just as close to her as to the rest.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 04:43 AM
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Which means they're not civilians, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 04:29 AM
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I don't understand how a person can consider a relationship from a transactional POV and still develop real intimacy with that person. Or at least, if both attitudes are present, one is always cancelled out to whatever extent the other exists. Nothing wrong with a woman who isn't interested in a man who doesn't expect to pay for a date he asks for, and yes, a man who expects sex afterward as payment is an ass. It would be dumb for her to pursue a relationship with a man who doesn't share this id…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 08:29 AM
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"the gross parts" made me lol :)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 08:02 AM
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Recognising the ongoing human rights violations during armed conflicts that affect the civilian population... [emphasis mine] CIVILIAN.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 01:06 AM
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For me, it would depend on whether you still feel buying a body for sex is not a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 01:01 AM
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Part of me sympathizes and another part wants to lol. Everything you're describing is a natural outcome in a society that over (waaay over) objectifies women. A person's sense of worth is determined significantly by the value given them by their society. It's easy to worship from a shallow POV, not having to consider personality, accomplishments, intelligence, etc., and as you've seen, it's a major outlook of all kinds of men and really too many women. You're mistaken in thinking it's a matter o…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 12:32 AM
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I wouldn't trust it. There are just too many universal type difficulties between women and men. BUT if it were to say that men are motivated by sex much more than women, I would think someone wasted their money because it's obvious. I don't think this will be a fact for a lot longer though, with women's self-direction constantly increasing. We are less and less dependent on bartering our sexuality for survival. For example, would you break up with your male partner if you have one? Would you wis…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 11:37 AM
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I don't know how it could be avoided, in the same way that men who grew up with sisters are likely to have a better understanding of women. Or even having had a set of twin siblings. How could anyone spend the most formative part of their lives with one type or other without gaining some solid insight? Anecdotal: I grew up with only sisters (lots) and men continue to baffle me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 11:25 AM
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I've seen both sexes post mean things about others from all sorts of relationships, even with neighbors who barely know they exist. It's definitely not a wife-specific behavior. I'd guess that these people are angry, somehow feeling unappreciated or unwanted, but they haven't the skills to communicate that to the other person. Or maybe, they don't have the self-awareness to even know that's the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 05:31 PM
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Many People On This Sub Think RedPill Is Wrong Simply Because You Can’t Apply Context Context has nothing to do with it for me. I'd consider any ideology that promotes deceiving women into doing what they, themselves believe automatically reduces her value as a person to be wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 07:21 PM
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If these women want to reproduce, wouldn't it be easier to get a sperm donor then raise kids with a female friend? I hear alot about female support networks recently so why not just use one of those female support networks. Because babies need fathers. Intentionally creating a situation where communication with the biological father is simply waived by the adults involved is not an indulgence I could allow myself. I've heard the argument that it's better to live without a father (bio or otherwis…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 08:11 AM
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And what if it's unusual. That means it's a freak occurrence rather than a trend or social problem and can't in any way be considered evidence of a "war" being waged on anybody.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 12:22 PM
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Being upset is not the same thing as being angry or mad. Upset means disappointed and/or sad. I disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 12:02 PM
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That's far from given but it's not the situation OP has described, anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 11:58 AM
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I, however, have seen the situation I described. The girl still got angry, even tho my friend respectfully told her everything, apologized to her and everything. She was angry, she said to their mutual friends, that she was only using her and wanted to just fuck her etc. It wasn't pretty, but fortunately not everybody believed her You're saying they were good friends but she got really angry with him, for no reason at all, and even though he did everything respectfully, correct, etc., etc., she …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 11:53 AM
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Although it’s funny that it’s women and not men who expect the other person to “change his feelings” Now I'm confused. If the man falls in love, isn't it he who is wanting her to change her feelings of friendship?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 11:35 AM
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Where is the assumption that the guy is angry coming from? "Often when a man falls in love with his female friend and eventually gets rejected after which he gets upset and/or leaves her, it is considered that he "just wanted to get into her pants" and have sex with her." I've repeatedly seen women making complaints regarding this: "Even your male friends of multiple years are just waiting for a chance to get with you". This is sort of funny to me, because I'm generally the one defending the ide…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 11:33 AM
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I said I haven't seen a situation where people have, for no apparent reason, decided a man was dishonest about his original intentions when a male/female friendship breaks up because he decides he wants more. Just from personal observation and experience, I'd estimate there's a 50/50 chance of a man who's been rejected becoming vindictive, ranging anywhere from physical violence to simply trashing her to others when the opportunity arises. It’s perfectly normal to be upset about rejection. I don…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 11:20 AM
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If she found him physically attractive, she'd be ecstatic upon learning that he likes her as more than just a friend. So, if she's ecstatic, why would she still want the relationship to remain friends only?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 11:45 AM
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I haven't seen the situation you're describing. Either people feel bad for both because he fell in love and there goes a good friendship, or when he did fall in love and she didn't, he became rejecting and angry, vindictive, etc. The latter is when I've seen people suspect his motives in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 11:41 AM
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I agree, so there is no point in her and other women being upset that a man values ​​his feelings too and he doesn’t want to stay in a possibly toxic relationship with shifting power dynamics But if he's expecting her to change and angry or rejecting if she doesn't, that's a different situation and the reason most people aren't going to think he was being sincere in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 11:37 AM
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Probably because of the disrespect he's shown for their supposed understanding about the nature of the relationship by getting mad or upset when she's not willing to change from friends to lovers. It says he doesn't care about her feelings or desires about the relationship and possibly never did. Anyone's feelings can change but expecting the other person's to change as well is suspect.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 11:14 AM
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People just like using birth rates as a vehicle for their political agendas... I'd guess population to be right up with economics as far as political forces go. By definition, wouldn't any political agenda have to consider birth rates in their plan?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 04:50 AM
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She should just trust that her husband won't ever do anything to her, just like men are expected to trust that they won't ever be cheated on and raising another man's kid. This is a poor comparison. Paternity tests aren't even performed on an emergency basis, but it's entirely possible that sharing the same living space can become intolerable to the point where one partner or the other needs to remove themselves from the home, immediately, even if only temporarily. A better comparison to paterni…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 12:46 PM
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I can't imagine my husband wasting 2 hours every single day playing video games, but if he did, I would not complain as long as his obligations to family and finances were met as well. There's just so many other things to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 12:19 PM
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Imagine a world where a man could magically implant his side chick’s embryo into his unsuspecting wife. Bad comparison. Imagine instead a world where a private detective is kept on retainer to make sure hubby has no "extra-curricular" children. That's a realistic comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 12:06 PM
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Just earn money, eat food, buy smaller apartment houses, play video games for entertainment with your male buds, if you need sex just see a hooker. It's most honest and fair interaction your going to get with a female in 2024. How is this due to feminism? If men don't want to come out of their houses or interact with women, that's their choice to make, isn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 12:02 PM
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You are completely right it just sucks that society demands from men that they suck it up and are forced to endure hundreds of rejection, then turns around and tells women their feelings are valid and they should be protected. No one tells women that men aren't allowed to reject them, or that they're entitled to be accepted by men who don't find them attractive. I don't understand your complaint. You're not wrong at all, it just highlights the double standards in being in a free and equal societ…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 11:57 AM
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Assurance? Explain, please?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 11:42 AM
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The divorce settlement is the contingency plan. She gets half of everything. Stealing the money he earns and secretly stashing cash in a go bag in the closet is some psycho behavior. It's not. The divorce settlement is rightfully hers as her share of proceeds from the marriage. The emergency cash is a form of insurance necessary due to the vulnerability of having no real economy outside of her husband's. And notice I said neither of OP's situations should exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 11:41 AM
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So a contingency plan for separation is okay, but a contingency plan for paternity fraud isn't? A contingency plan for a paternity test? What would that be? They can't cost more than $100 dollars or so. Contingency plans are generally for emergencies. Or at least heavily time-sensitive matters. To be clear we're talking about a secret account kept from the husband. Sounds like you're talking about separate accounts both partners know about. I know what we're talking about. My point is simply tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 11:37 AM
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They're not, but my point is that there ARE instances of questionable consent and willingness applied to areas other than sex. Capitalism is one, conscription is another, things like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 11:26 AM
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It's foolish to invest in a SAHW-type marriage where BOTH partners don't recognize the necessity of contingency plans/funds for her. It's just as foolish to be in a marriage without absolute trust around who the husband has fathered, in or outside of the marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 08:35 PM
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How is seeking a prostitute a pathology? It’s two consenting adults, and men have been doing it forever. Neither reason says it can't be pathological. Man has been keeping slaves for just as long and the nature of the type of "consent" involved isn't very different. Edit! (Sorry I forgot to answer the question) My guess is it's damaging psychologically to be used for intimacy, but whatever the exact nature of it, it's not good for women. If it was, it would be considered a positive, enviable car…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 05:06 PM
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You would never know the average for society. It is reported as 7. All the women I’ve dated after ages 21 had 20 plus partners. I'd be surprised if I even knew a 21 - 25 year-old woman who'd had 20+ partners. I'd be even more surprised that they'd tell any other than their closes friends, so there ya go. OTOH, over 25 w/o any sexual experience is unusual and nothing wrong with wondering why that might be.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 05:00 PM
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I can’t pick just one thing that’s stupid contribution OP probably won't mind if you list more than one.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 04:51 PM
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Under this standard, when people do paid work that they don't enjoy to make a living it's actually forced labor because they don't "want" to do it, so it wouldn't be "consensual". Sounds ridiculous to me, and probably to most people. Which begs the question, why is this standard for consent and willingness only ever applied to sex? It's not. I've heard at least as many arguments against capitalism because of what it forces onto the lower classes as I have heard against coercive sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/24 04:48 PM
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"White man = Bad" truly aggravates me. It's this millennium's stupidest contribution to society.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/24 10:53 AM
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"White man = Bad" truly aggravates me. It's this millennium's stupidest contribution to society.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/24 10:53 AM
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I like to think most men are more like me than unlike me. Maybe I'm just overly optimistic, I don't know. You're probably right. It's a smaller percentage of men who are solely interested in their own gratification and an even smaller group who are primarily interested in the woman as a whole person.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/24 06:58 AM
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I guess we should just agree to disagree. By 30 I had been making six figures for several years and owned my own home on the water. If you don't think that changed my dating prospects you are delusional. I don't understand you. How do you think this is a response to "Even at 30, how does anyone build a career and a family on their own?" Pointing to your improved dating prospects only emphasizes the need for a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/24 06:40 AM
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It’s women selling their bodies, too. Do you stigmatize the women who are willingly choosing to be prostitutes just as much? I don't see how it would matter either way. Any hypocrisy it evidenced would be hypocrisy re: male vs. female participation in prostitution. That's not the contention here. And many men believe that promiscuous behavior in the past Carrie’s over into the future, too, the same as what you believe about men’s attitudes about sex. As much as I dislike the term "hoe phase", it…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/24 06:30 AM
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Either of the sexes want the other sex to do all of the approaching. This is basic human psychology. Whoever gets approached, has the power. I don't get it. If they have to wait to be approached...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 10:58 AM
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I've hoped to get into a relationship with all four of the women I dated. I believe you. It doesn't change what I wrote, though, do you think?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 10:47 AM
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Out dated thinking. When couples married as teenagers or 20 or 21 you could make that argument. No way a guy would have time to build a career and a family without a partner. Even at 30, how does anyone build a career and a family on their own? That was then, this is now. Now women have adapted and wait to see who the winners are. Any marriage past college or lets just say late 20s a woman has a very good idea a man's income potential, and I'm sorry, she didn't build that. I don't understand wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 10:43 AM
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They are both attempts to police past sexual behavior between legal consenting adults. A man's thinking about buying women's bodies might change over time but it might also stay the same for the rest of his life. It's a significant part of his ideas and his relationship with women. Policing past sexual behavior and wanting to know how a potential partner feels toward your sex in general are not the same things.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 10:04 AM
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A red flag is something that is inherently bad. It's not. It's only bad for someone who is trying to deceive. It's very good for a person wanting to make a good choice about who they invest time in. There’s nothing inherently bad about not having relationship experience. There isn't. A red flag would be lying or not respecting your time or boundaries for example. Those aren't red flags. Those are negative qualities in and of themselves. And past relationship experience isn’t a quality. It’s just…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 09:56 AM
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You're the one who has categorized singledom as being a major red flag though and I'm not entirely sure why. Singledom and never having been in a relationship aren't the same thing. And, for accuracy, I didn't specify it as major. I mean I am, but it seems like you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater and missing out on some great guys by doing so If you don't pay attention to what the other person says you're bound to get things wrong. This entire sentence is based on an idea contrary to…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 09:43 AM
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Why would I go on a date with someone if I didn't want to sleep with them at the end of it? This is a good example of why women are as selective as they are. Generally speaking, a man's interest is in access a body, and anything beyond that is bonus material. But women tend to be more varied in what they want from a date, and unless that's also what she's looking for, spending time with this sort of man can be unpleasant.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 09:30 AM
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So long as someone has decent communication skills, a fair idea of what they're looking for and what they're willing to offer, and some understanding of how to sexually please a partner or at least the patience and selflessness that is required to learn how, then I don't see why a lack of relationship experience is often seen as such a red flag or a dealbreaker. It's a red flag because it's unusual. If the reasons for it are undesirable it's also a deal breaker. I understand that it CAN serve as…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 05:45 AM
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But if you are ONLY saying that then you aren't saying anything at all and just making a moot point. "The reason is likely because some men can become angry and hostile toward women whose sexual experience is greater than theirs." How is this a moot point? How is it not saying anything at all if it's a moot point? That's just your weird interpretation of it, I said "get a pass" because it's a "gotcha" moment that either doesn't apply to them or (more likely) was able to dodge. "Get a pass" means…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 05:12 AM
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This is silly. Disgust, jealousy and insecurity can also be triggered perception, values and socialization. And frequently is. Individual ego drives us far harder than any sexual "hardwiring" ever has. "Hardwiring" is used as some sort of deniability around violence, control and discrimination far too often.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 02:04 AM
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Because men don’t like it?… that’s enough. I don’t need a justification to like big boobs—no man is going around trying to defend it like “oh well it’s a sign of fertility and health blah blah” like nah monkey brain wants to play with them. Same reason women get monkey brain when a dudes tall., and they don’t need a defense for it either. You don't need anything. But that doesn't change the fact that some feelings are strictly hormonal but most are partly to majority based in one's perceptions, …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 01:52 AM
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Are you suggesting that the only men that care are those that get angry or hostile or that the only ones that care are insecure and if so would you say that's a small minority of men? Nope. I'm saying only what I wrote. Which wouldn't really affect them by stating theirs on a podcast (not like those that do say theirs are getting attacked) or even easier than that, say this is the reason when asked, but no they usually don't have a reason and just laugh uncomfortably, those that mention family t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 01:41 AM
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Or that his lack of sexual past matters. Unless that lack is average for the society, there's no hypocrisy in wondering about unusual behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 12:53 AM
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It's very hypocritical to me for a woman to say that her "hoe phase" sexual past shouldn't matter, but that a man's sexual past with prostitutes does matter. I don't see the hypocrisy in being concerned with a man's ideas re: buying women's bodies for sex vs. a regular, consensual sex life.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 12:51 AM
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She's not like the other women, she's different. And this difference is the legitimate basis for my different behavior. yeah, it makes sense that I would treat a special woman, specially. And what makes her special among other things, is that she doesn't do the things that other kinds of women, like the women, I casually sleep with do. Therefore I feel good about the sacrifice and commitment I'm making, it's warranted in this particular case." Yike. So it's okay for you to enable and benefit fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 12:45 AM
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It’s a genuine feeling of disgust. Disgust can certainly be based in insecurity. And really, unless it's a symptom of some sort of disorder, why should sexual experience cause a negative reaction unless personal celibacy is practiced by the observer for heavily religious or moral reasons?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 12:37 AM
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but there are plenty of videos where women say that body count doesn't matter yet for some reason the majority also don't want to talk about their body count The reason is likely because some men can become angry and hostile toward women whose sexual experience is greater than theirs.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 12:32 AM
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You should tell me. It's not men's fault that women are drawn to men who other women want/men with experience. It's literally y'all's fault for not holding this bias against promiscuous men. Given the choice between a virgin and a promiscuous man, most women would prolly flock to the ladies man This isn't about virginity, it's about infidelity. Women don't like it and generally speaking won't tolerate it unless they have no choice. Let's not pretend like it has the same bad optics. It does. No o…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 12:19 AM
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Let's assume that being promiscuous increases the likelihood of someone cheating, since you know they are already used to variety. In a world riddled with paternity fraud, why would a man take a chance on a slut, who has a higher probability of cheating on him, when he can get a woman who can't have sex outside of à committed relationship? Why would this be any different vice versa? That's what would make it a double standard. Another thing, with a promiscuous woman, odds are on of her videos ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 11:42 PM
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That was then, this is now. When y'all gonna catch up with the times in the West and stop acting like it's still 1800? What point are you making here? Reproduction (owning a womb) is a vulnerability for women and always has been, as evidenced by the overall lack of self-direction for women in societies and eras where reproductive control is at a minimum.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 11:32 PM
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Not caring about someone’s sexual past is only acceptable if the person themselves follow the same rule Not caring wouldn't be unacceptable no matter how that person behaved, could it?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 11:27 PM
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I'm talking pre marriage. For most SAHM, their life improved when they got married. Why does a man owe a woman a better life after she leaves than the one she came from? I'd expect her to return to the life she was leading before the marriage. Why should she? She's invested as much into the new life as her spouse. Marriage is a permanent change in status with all resources put together, a thing that generally improves the economics of both partners because it becomes one economy. What also happe…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 11:18 PM
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As most are saying here, it's unlikely that any one woman holds all three opinions. Anybody's sexual past only matters if it was a symptom of some emotional problem. Men who are worried about n-count numbers in and of themselves are likely not worth investing in unless they've intentionally practiced celibacy themselves. There are very few double standards that are acceptable and sexual experiences aren't one of them. Lying to a partner is wrong wrong wrong, but no one is obligated to share deta…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 07:19 PM
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But what would be the source, then? If a person has truly given up, why would they even be interested in the subject, let alone bitter and angry over it?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 07:02 PM
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Do you think someone who has gone through that might feel reluctant to answer a bunch of probing questions? They well might, but once the door has been opened, so to speak, there's nothing else for it than to move forward. Get the thing completely open between us because my safety is priority and how to make a decent judgment without complete info. And I'd imagine if they brought it up, they'd want it sorted.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 06:58 PM
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I can't imagine someone I didn't know well telling me this. The idea that they would would make me question his judgment as well as his perception overall. It would definitely stand out in my mind for a long time. If he seemed reluctant to answer my questions about the incident it would definitely be a deal breaker, and I'd have lots and lots of questions. I remember a new co-worker telling me that every close friend she'd ever had had betrayed her. I kept a professional-only relationship with h…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 10:01 AM
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If a person has truly given up in regard to women, I wouldn't expect to see them on a sub that debates the nature of men vs. women. Why the interest?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 09:28 AM
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Everytime it is bought up that in history men were the ones who made the laws and had the easiest and so men are responsible for all the problems where ik actual it was usually 1 in 1000 like the king or the nobles who were responsible for the laws and whose wives also held somewhat influence in the society. If you say 1 in 1000 isn't representative of the entire population, then why do women blame all men from time and beyond for any problems faced by the society? Which is why I put 1 in 1000 t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 05:42 AM
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I do insist that self-improvement within the relationship will overshadow whatever man does being single. Even if two men do the same things, the one who is partnered gets extra value for the same effort compared to one who isn't. Extra value, certainly. More likely to happen, too. All I'm saying is it can't be crucial to self-improvement if self-improvement can happen in either state, which it can.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 03:14 AM
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So then for women with male partners, do you think he is physically attractive? I don’t mean in the sense that his personality is nice or he makes you feel safe so that in whole makes you attracted to him. I mean, do you feel raw sexual attraction towards him? All day, every day.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 12:47 AM
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Why did you post this?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 12:31 AM
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That is kinda the point. It used to be like that but it isn't like that NOW The idea that reproductive control for women has improved and primarily in the west doesn't mean it's absolutely not like that now. In fact, it probably hasn't changed for a fairly significant chunk of, if not the majority, of the world's women. Umm what does this mean? I thought women were controlled by men. Part of what it means is that two things can be true at one time.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 12:30 AM
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Mate copying still exists. In some cultures kings and nobles had multiple wives like England and India where the wives were royalty and not slaves. And...? Ofc if you are a slave, you will be having worse. You have a way out still, men don't have that choice. Are you referring to the 1 in a 1000 chance that your owner becomes so enamored of you, he provides you with an escape? I already made the point that 1 in a 1000 isn't representational of the population. Doesn't treat men like first class c…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 12:18 AM
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People do things and try harder for other people (than just purely doing it for the themselves) all the time. You admit it can even make the difference between success and failure, that sounds pretty crucial to me. Important, with bolded italics, okay. But crucial would mean it never happens without it. Difficult doesn't necessarily mean impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 09:35 AM
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Same percentage of a king relative to the male population of a kingdom. This, exactly. It's not at all representative so it's not particularly good evidence of life in a society that allows women as chattel. Ofc women might have a problems with that but the alternative was much worse. In those cases you don't really have a choice. AKA women could in fact have had massive problems with it. Whereas female slaves had a roof over their head, beds to sleep in, 24/7 protection (or like concealing of m…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 09:27 AM
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External motivation vs. purely internal motivation. External can't be crucial because if it were, no one would improve without it and people do that all the time. Only internal motivation is crucial to improvement. Added external is not without value because it could make it easier to the extent of being the difference between success and failure, though. Unless I'm missing part of this?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 09:09 AM
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Women would sometimes start out as a slave in these situations but would gain power when chosen by the person sometimes more powerful or equivalent. In 9th century CE Baghdad, a queen (who bore the male child to the king) would have the power of chief justice and also on multiple sons would have the power to choose the next king too in some cases. But what percentage of the population do these lucky women represent? I think a better measure is the equality between sexes because that's a far bett…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 08:52 AM
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Women have wombs so they can demand anything and expect to get it. This doesn't make sense. Until relatively recently and even now primarily in the west, women have been controlled by reproduction, not vice versa. Reproductive control is required for self-direction, let alone the power to demand things from others.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 08:46 AM
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But whatever you do on your own, it will be lacking the crucial part. What's the crucial part, and what's it crucial to?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 08:41 AM
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Mate copying and multiple wives in the past (not consorts always) do show that women don't really have a problem sharing a mate. In how many of these situations were women seen as social equals to men and/or enjoyed equal protection under the law and/or prevailing religion?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 08:40 AM
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Is it any wonder at all why so many men are dropping out of the dating market? If a man drops out of the dating market, why would he be complaining? Why would women be complaining if their lack of interest is the reason he dropped out to start with? Which brings me to my last point: men don't expect ANY such thing from women. For all relationships from hookups to marriages, for all women from the most hideous to the most beautiful. When a woman has insecurities or self-esteem issues, men love th…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 08:37 AM
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In most cases the woman's life is substantially upgraded. The vulnerability is returning to her life before. The marriage literally was her plan to stop being vulnerable. Huh? Why assume her economic situation was worse post-divorce in most cases? It's hard to imagine a more vulnerable situation than being largely unemployable, period. So again, why would looking forward to being a SAHM cancel the financial vulnerability of said situation? Look at the divorce rate for lesbian couples. We know wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 07:36 AM
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Sometimes I think people's emotion gets the better of their logic. Or something like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 07:08 AM
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I told my friend I found it weird a man can have sex with same woman in front of his friends. It's very weird but it's also much too common: it's objectification in it's highest form.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 06:52 AM
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The example she used was leaving posit notes with sweet little messages for her to find. She picked a fairly bizarre example. I couldn't imagine asking anyone to do "more special things" for me and I'm not even a person who is shy about asking for what I want. When is the "right" time to start being nice in this scenario? I would think starting the good behavior sooner rather than later would be preferable but apparently not? What's PPD's opinion? Is this a widely shared belief? If I actually di…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 06:23 AM
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Obviously this situation is 1 in 5,000 in the misfortune possibility sweepstakes and obviously I'd rather be on my own at 40. But I understand the point you're making (even if it's a little silly) and so: I would rather be married with a big, happy family than on my own, but I'd rather be on my own than settle for an unsuitable (by my own standards) man. The base of it all is as long as I'm happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 06:05 AM
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Everything has liabilities with a limited partnership you still get taxed as single...You could be rite I don't know enough about it. (emphasis mine) This leads me to think that your OP is basically a camouflaged rant against women rather than an actual debate on marriage as a residential investment. Am I right?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 09:05 AM
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Usually these women are excited for the opportunity to be with their kids, they had dull, uninteresting lives and being a mom is what they always wanted. It isn't easy providing for an able bodied adult, but the rewards for all involved can be tremendous. And this cancels the accompanying economic vulnerability in what way? Divorces are initiated 76% of the time by women, they aren't blindsided by divorce, they are choosing it. Filing for the divorce isn't the same as being the cause of the divo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 08:54 AM
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The paternity test is checking if somebody isn't who you think they are. They've wronged you in a way that you couldn't understand. I think finding out your husband has a child conceived while you believed you and he were monogamous isn't much different. It's a very simple test to ensure that the father knows they haven't been wronged, which we know can and does happen (though rarely) I'd think the emotional cost would keep it from qualifying as 'simple.' I should add... my gf and I don't want k…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 08:30 AM
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Why would anyone even get into a marriage where all this subterfuge and denial was going on? It's an undeniable fact that being a SAHM has a built-in economic vulnerability and can create social vulnerabilities. If both partners aren't cognizant of the liabilities and willing to set up safeguards, they've got no business getting into this sort of arrangement.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 08:14 AM
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How would this be better than simply forming a limited partnership as regards the property and any other investment ventures? Legal marriage has benefits but liabilities too.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 07:55 AM
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My point is that if you’re physically attractive enough, every other metic, including vibe, doesn’t need to as prevalent. Yes. I know my circumstance is rare, and puts me in a place of privilege amongst others. Still though. Posts like this are disingenuous or straight out wrong Then you're a good example that first-hand experience isn't the only path to understanding many situations, at least to a decent extent. Posts like OP are both, and too frequent on PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 07:36 AM
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Don't think that anyone is saying that isn't the case. What they are saying is it's not in any way equatable. There is no go work and wait requirement on the part of women. This is silly. There are all sorts of women whose physical appearance improves from their 20s. And there are all sorts of men who won't even consider spending time with them even though they're no more attractive themselves. And don't forget the male faction that will always consider sex via deceit as acceptable as any other.…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 02:02 AM
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Anyway, I never understand people who struggle to date. How hard can it be to meet someone that you vibe with? That’s the key word I keep hearing from my single female friends. I feel like the pursuit of vibing transcends age and maturity. Whether you are RP or BP, if you vibe with someone you don’t have to wait. I acknowledge that if you’re physically attractive or really funny you can trick someone into inflating the idea of how much you vibe. But still, good, decent men don’t wait. Where woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 01:52 AM
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Both of these advices are saying that the struggling guy needs to wait till later in his life in order to enjoy dating. This is almost correct. Where you've missed it is Blue Pill acknowledges that it's normal and healthy but that it's true for both sexes. Red Pill's explanation assigns blame to women's "immaturity", ignoring the fact that as many men as are able to engage with exciting women (AKA the bad boy's counterpart) are, in fact, doing the same. The second flaw is Red Pill's theory assum…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 01:26 AM
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Most men don't, genuinely. I don't know what trashy men you have in your life, but most men don't want their guy friends to have a description of how the love of their life's pussy looks like in their head. Who said anything about the "love of their life"? You've exaggerated on both sides so far, so I'm guessing your perceptions tend to match those ideas you like the most.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/24 06:34 AM
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This is silly. Men don't brag about sexual conquest? I've never, NEVER had a friend "write a novel" about her sexual experiences. Sometimes an unusual or particularly sweet incident, yes. But a broad recitation, never.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 03:18 AM
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There were members of my family whom I didn't trust and would make sure to never be alone with them. I have male friends that I trust completely and some that I don't yet know well enough. There are men I know that I don't consider friends that under no circumstances would I be alone with.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 11:53 PM
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A rejection in most cases is in effect telling the person that they're not good enough to date. Huh? More than likely they're saying you don't appeal sufficiently to me. There's a big, big difference between the two. Yes, they may not be the person's "type," but "type" usually means "person to whom I'm attracted." At the very least, you're being rejected on the basis of your looks, which while superficial, are still a major part of a person's identity, and form the outer "shell" of how they pres…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 11:10 PM
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I hear you. You are defending woman’s rights to sleep with whoever they prefer and to express themselves in that way without shame. That’s all I’m trying to say for men. That's agreed as far as it goes but I'm also saying we are talking about 10 to 1 against women fighting a view that has existed longer than memory compared to some fairly recent thinking held mainly by fringe feminists and the extreme left against men. The rhetoric you are participating in seems to perpetuate the idea that men a…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 10:57 PM
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Since when did this one subreddit become representative of the entire world? I didn't realize it had. I think you need to get off the internet now. Seeing as I disagree with you, this isn't a surprise.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 10:13 PM
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Yeah, this is PPD, guys here will talk about sex in one way or another since it's basically the central topic of the sub. Sex = your right, need, desire, schemes to obtain, and/or bragging...? There's no more to it?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 10:09 PM
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There is quite literally nothing a woman needs to find a man for apart from sex As I said, there are in fact things a man can bring to a relationship. I listed 5 of them. Whether women need one thing or another isn't the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 12:04 PM
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Frankly women seem to enjoy singleness and being alright with that than guys do. I think it’s a way we fundamentally differ. Women tend to be okay with staying single for a decade and not having sex. Majority of guys would hate those two things. Likely true, but the idea I'm refuting is that men don't have anything to offer now.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 11:55 AM
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Besides sex, these are all things you can find outside of a romantic connection. But they're still men and they can still give it (or not) in a romantic connection, can't they? I don't understand the point you're making.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 11:51 AM
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"Don't cloud the issue with facts.", yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 11:47 AM
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The action is a direct result of the current dating economy so it’s also completely understandable why men behave this way Understandable in what way? Scarcity is never an excuse to deceive or harm others.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 02:16 AM
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The other thing is that men simply don't HAVE that much to offer to women now that women can be independent. Huh? What of companionship, intelligence, security, sex and love?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 02:11 AM
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Women who had a promiscuous past, filled with ONS, FWB, short term relationships, etc., who eventually decided to settle down and find an LTR. (emphasis mine) Haha. Who's life is this way? Women still have hobbies, families, friends, employment, education... Anyway, while my life wasn't filled with sex, I can say that the difference between the men I was casual with and the man I married was a question of him being superior in all areas, including sex. Which is why I married him. I think the pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 01:37 AM
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If expectations are the same on both sides, there's rarely a problem. But no one likes being used, even less being tricked into being used. It's a perfectly heathy, natural reaction. Why would anyone go to these lengths to deny the obvious and more, why have you bothered to resurrect this idea?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 09:54 PM
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Here's an alternative idea: socialize shy men to realize that women are just people, nothing more. It's the best idea. Then, even though it might still be hard to speak up, they'd know there wasn't really much to fear. Sometimes just a little reciprocal 'hello' of interest is all that's needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 07:54 PM
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In the east introversion is seen as masculine and extroversion is feminine. This type of masculinity wouldn't necessarily involve shyness.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 07:50 PM
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Women aren't interested in helping men that they don't find attractive. Those men don't exist to them. You're confusing "helping men" with "allowing physical access to their bodies." I've never met a man women rejected simply as a friend because they were shy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 07:48 PM
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Women will hype their friends up for wearing scrunch leggings, but when you ask them why they don't wear them, they say things like "because they're so trashy." That's just one example. So I agree, women should definitely be more honest. Is this something you'd do to a friend? Why??
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 07:38 PM
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Social awkward nor woman don't have a problem with dating either because everything is handed to them on a silver plate . Secondly normal women don't have any actual social skills. They can't even approach or start meaningful conversations because men do all the work for them. This is false. You're confusing a lack of social skills with the unwillingness to be used solely for their bodies, which in fact, takes a good amount of social skill to gracefully decline considering how often it happens. …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 07:33 PM
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She said that in college, there was this one guy who was known as the "safe choice" and women introduced their girlfriends to him to take their virginity This sounds completely bizarre to me, like a father taking his son to a prostitute. I can't imagine any woman needing this kind of 'help' regarding sex. Either way, imagine the gender flipped version of it, a cool confident woman like that who virgin men can safely go to. This is an adolescent male fantasy from coming of age and comedy movies w…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 07:26 PM
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Women don't want shy men so they just won't date them. Women don't really want or need men so if they are pressured into dating shy men they just won't date at all. If women didn't want men, there would be no dating. Shyness doesn't necessarily make a man unattractive. Whenever you have a thought about dating or relationships just run it past this logic screen: does it benefit women? If the answer is no, they just won't do it. You say this as if it's a character fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 07:16 PM
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Does that mean "women should date guys they are not attracted to?" I wouldn't say so. I would. You're asking that she override her natural attraction and choose someone for the sake of increasing her social skill level. One reason why that wouldn't make sense would be if hypergamy is too strong in women overall, meaning they cannot date a man with "lower energy" (which is something I heard said before). This is also hypergamy? Really, all you're talking about here is a public service involving m…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 07:06 PM
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Do you mean men can control how they handle their arousal, or that they can control whether or not they get aroused? Both. The first most easily but the second as well. When a person chooses not to focus on something, they also tend to stop noticing it as well. Not seeing one's sexual gratification as priority will also lessen the incidence and intensity of arousal.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 03:47 AM
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Yet there are still people on this sub who can't let go of this crazy lie that women don't care about what guys say or how they behave, only how they look, their money and status. The appeal for these men is that they can say "see how shallow women are!" and as those things are largely impossible to change, it relieves them of responsibility to change the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 05:51 AM
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I'm on testosteron therapy. Go ask a doctor if you want to know why, there's plenty information around this subject. My doctor has no idea who you are or what your diagnosis is, let alone what your comment might mean to this part of the thread. It's easier if you just speak plainly. What's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 05:28 AM
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You're not the only ones! Oh. Okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 05:23 AM
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Yeah, and so are your menstrual cramps. I notice you've compared male arousal to female reproduction function rather than female arousal. I rest my case.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 05:21 AM
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NAMALT, but yeah, enough are that they fuck it up for the rest of us people. True thing, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 05:17 AM
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Nope. Women result to the sour grapes argument whenever they don’t have any more points to make. My above points are well known and documented. Had you shown this documentation or even some statement to support your contradiction, then they could have been considered "points" worth responding to. Don't ad hom because you chose to put little effort into your response.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 02:45 AM
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I disagree. I think a lot of men in the millennial and later generations were raised with a lot of shame around their sexuality. Nobody told me that my sexuality was any kind of priority. If anything it was framed as being the lowest priority. IDK. The overwhelming majority of comments from men concern their right, need, desire, schemes to obtain, and/or bragging, complaining and happy memories about sex. I believe it if you say this was your experience but it doesn't track for the general popul…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 02:34 AM
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Women love bad men, especially if they are attractive. Women crave emotional instability and excitement. This would be unhealthy, unrewarding, dangerous and obviously illogical. Even for how stupid most "evolutionarily hardwired" theories are, they wouldn't support this. It definitely sounds like sour grapes.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 02:03 AM
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Seriously though, it would be good if women not only accepted that most men have a much harder time finding partners for casual sex, but also that it's actually validating for most of us (in a meaningful way that it isn't for them) who aren't objectively hot, and not just trivial bullshit. I think most of us know this. It's just that the solution to the situation is us doing things that these same men will later consider us undesirable (at best) for having done. Read through the PPD N-count thre…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 01:49 AM
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Correction: you never want to fuck as much until you meet a physically attractive man. Then y’all become insatiable. "Physically and socially attractive and safe..." Add that and it's a good analysis. At least for myself and every woman I've known well enough to have them tell me. There's going to be some women who don't like sex overly and probably more women due to unskilled/unconcerned partners. Not generally speaking though. Men did the scarcity thing to themselves. Sometimes women helped, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 01:29 AM
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As a man, I agree with you. Modern culture that wants to paint women with same libido as men is insane. How could anyone possibly know this? Women have been taught, pressured, punished, threatened, and shunned around the "necessity" of repressing our sexuality. It would take at least one full generation without this sort of pressure to even begin to research the subject of natural female libido.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 01:16 AM
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If that was ever true, it was in an era when you weren't even born Nonsense. All that's necessary to see evidence of this attitude is spending some time browsing just PPD alone. Men's biggest complaint comes down to women not giving them sexual access. After that comes how much women who have sexual experience (especially if it's greater than their own) disgust them. Obviously these men aren't thinking anything along the lines of women's sexuality existing for anything outside their own benefit …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 01:08 AM
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True.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 12:34 AM
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They're mad about the men who vilify women they aren't attracted to. Exactly this. Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 11:53 PM
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I'd make men understand that their sexual arousal is controllable and gratification is not a universal priority, and neither of these is an insult or an unkindness.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 11:52 PM
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You were the first to bring it up, so first you would have to explain how masturbating to multiple women is equivalent to seeing them as chattel (which women do with guys as well), and then I would refute your points. No, thanks. You could have made your objection when you made your "Chattel can't bear children, that's how." comment, but you chose not to and the convo has moved on. Plus, when you don't understand what "chattel" means, what's the point?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 09:03 PM
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This all comes down to social skills, not morality. It's a mix of both and physical appeal as well. If morality didn't count, it wouldn't be so common to find couples with moral sensibilities that match.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 08:46 PM
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You actually don’t need to be a criminals. It’s just about having the balls to go against the grain sometimes. Exactly. Men who insist women are attracted to negative or harmful qualities are usually generalizing. All sorts of men have positive masculine qualities (even criminals, sometimes) and that's what women are attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 08:43 PM
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Flirting and romantic/sexual escalation, that’s a different kind of social skill. One very VERY few boys were encouraged to learn. This would make sense if men/boys weren't taught and expected to behave as if their sexual gratification was a universal priority, but they are. No social sexual skills = no gratification.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 08:35 PM
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Yes. Beyond a certain level, people ARE going to be uncomfortable with someone who is even just amoral, let alone bad. It's my opinion but I think this idea about women and bad men comes from a sour grapes POV. "Yes, she chose him over me but he's crap so that means she's crazy. I dodged a bullet." Most relationships that work involve people of a similar morality.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 08:30 PM
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Social aptitude is incredibly important in terms of male attractiveness. It's as important as physical appearance. Yep. Bumblers can be likeable but rarely sexy. Criminals tend to have a high level of social aptitude. I don't think this is true. I know I've heard it a lot but I can't see why it would be this way. It seems more likely that people are so surprised when they are charming that it gives that impression about all of them. Why is it unattractive? I'm not sure. Something evolutionary, n…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 08:22 PM
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chattel /chăt′l/ noun An article of movable personal property. A slave. Any item of movable or immovable property except the freehold, or the things which are parcel of it. It is a more extensive term than goods or effects. The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition So, again, explain how either isn't based on seeing women as chattel, please?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 08:34 AM
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I would prefer a wife who wants to do threesomes with me and other women over one who wants to clean/cook. I can't imagine this being real. A woman willing to do a threesome as an alternative to cleaning and cooking? That seems more of a stand alone project. The people who don't like paying for these services tend to be cheap. They also waste their money on unnecesary things. More than affortability is a matter of Values. This is silly. Personally, I'm not fond of housekeeping but some people do…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 05:09 PM
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Explain how either isn't based on seeing women as chattel, please?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 04:40 PM
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Fall not in love therefore. It will stick to your face. :D
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 04:30 PM
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O___O Okaaay, I would have given you an "I've seen some shit" enameled pin badge if I had one. Gosh, my life is a blessing. I think it comes under that "It could only be worse in Milwaukee" thing. :) By conditions of OP, all men have collectively "taken the hint that she is not interested"; I am surprised that you don't see it as a utopian setting. As for how it is an upside for men (that most of them stop approaching, and those few who keep doing it will learn the hard way), just imagine this h…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 12:26 AM
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Men are also naturally polygamous which is evident in the fact that the vast majority of them regularly jerks off to multiple different women on their screen This has less to do with polygamy than it does with being taught, encouraged and expected to objectify women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/24 12:09 AM
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Sorry, took me a while to get to you. Still good. Thanks. Probably, to paraphrase you, "100x" less than when they believed that the feeling can be reciprocated. In other words, quite few. I have never known straight men or women who received flowers and perfumed anonymous letters from their gay secret admirers, for example. Fewer, definitely, but at least going by my experience and that of others I know, it's not unusual. I'm not the only woman I know who's had other women express their love, or…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 05:56 PM
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in a social circle setting a lot of guys will attempt to flirt with a girl to gouge interest, and they will try to break the touch barrier in one way or another to show interest, but instead of the woman recognizing it for what it is and reacting appropriately she will play along to avoid the cringe of having to reject a guy from the same social clique. What is the problem? He drops hints rather than speaking up. She misunderstands and/or ignores his hints because she truly doesn't want to embar…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 03:37 AM
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Unless I knew them personally, how would I know?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 03:29 AM
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The guy was kind of hesitant but "would happily do whatever to get a chance to spend time with her" aka desperate, but most of the comments were treating this as cute chill thing. It's as if a girl who just invites a guy she never met to her house to do chores is a normal thing to do. I don't see why his willingness was desperation but I don't understand her assumption that the man (or anyone else) would enjoy weeding. I love weeding but I've not met many others that do. If it were me I would ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 05:16 AM
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What would be the downsides if men believed that women are barely capable of romantic love? Too many to count. Because no matter the "good" misunderstandings, there's bound to be 100x more seriously bad misunderstandings between the sexes, let alone the mountain of supposedly justified hostility and aggression. Being delusional about 1/2 the population around you is never going to be a good thing. No more awkward feelings caught for your female friends (because why the Hell would you ever catch …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 04:22 AM
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How does it feel that statistically their is a very high chance of you being one of many while not knowing? I was curious about this dynamic cuz I imagine if were a women I would be hesitant to just swipe right on the most handsome guy on the apps. It feels sensible. I can accept that a man who appeals to me also might appeal to other women. I'm not expecting exclusivity from the first date forward. Why would I let that affect my choice? Competition is a part of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 03:56 PM
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What do you think the 'consequence' of a woman going to an old Asian man and offering $100 to jerk him off would be? Put aside social aftermath for a second because men would face the same thing as well. But in terms of immediate result lol. Okay, and assuming social pressure and upbringing haven't affected her sexuality to where doing this would simply be unthinkable, either: She'd likely be raped, robbed and possibly murdered afterward.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 08:35 AM
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Almost immediately when confronted with this question, the differences between how the two sex drives function shows up. Except this isn't a function of sex drive. This is a function of the capacity and social license to objectify without consequence. Not the same things.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 08:18 AM
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Fair. But how do you explain that there are no female targeted brothels where an old Asian man that doesn't speak the language masterbates her on the cheap? Surely this huge difference reveals something about female sexuality beyond just 'watered down' male sexuality. What it reveals is which sex has traditionally had the overwhelming share of power, allowing them much more objectification and less sexual self-control. And some truly unrealistic demands upon women. Considering what has historica…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 07:38 AM
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This is because women dont HAVE a sex drive as you understand it. They have a sex trading drive. They feel the desire for sex when it can be used to secure love, commitment, social status or even a novel experience Nonsense. I don't know any women without a love of sex simply for its own sake, myself included. An existence with something truly lovely missing, otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/24 07:28 AM
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By giving what they wouldn't you mean sex? Yep.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 01:35 AM
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"...if I just want sex why do I need to love? I just want sex." This constitutes sex as a service. No filter on these women. It's right here guys sex is a service, its a job, women dont like sex. Calling the type of sex u/DrunkOnRamen is interested in has no bearing on how I, personally, feel about sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 01:25 AM
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I don't think this is a PPD sort of topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 01:11 AM
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Youre obsessed with women being compensated for sex. Lets just outlaw sex in general. Again. Focus on the thread, please.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 12:53 AM
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No filter on these women. Its right here guys sex is a service, its a job, women dont like sex. I think it's fair to expect you to keep up with the thread. Okay?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 12:50 AM
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then i get on here, and you just praise hookers over and over. Im so glad its illegal. Liar. You have never, ever seen me praise prostitution. EVER. What is so wrong about a man wanting sex with someone who wants sex with him for free? Nothing. It shows how biased you women are and how much you guys hate sex. FIFY Sheesh. Really, how do you EXPECT this type of response to be received?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 12:48 AM
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No it doesnt. What doesn't?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 12:39 AM
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What's the revenge fantasy exactly? Being able to trick someone into giving what they wouldn't if they knew the truth via pretending to have a personality disorder. I don't think it's a likely thing but it shows up here on PPD often enough to say that some people do.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 12:37 AM
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These people will never find love Or if they do, it won't bring them peace.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 12:25 AM
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FWB requires more physical attraction than relationships. But have you been successful with FWB? Both would require the same overall likability because each has to start somewhere. What I'm questioning is the idea that if you've never been successful either way, pretending to be a sociopath would be enough of an improvement in your general likeability to change that. And, if you're capable of acting like a sociopath (convincingly), how hard could it be to just improve your personality naturally?…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 11:41 PM
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Thanks for the link. She doesn't say it's a "major" red flag - that's your interpretation. The idea that having no friends can indicate difficulty in socializing is definitely logical. And she's pretty clear about wanting an independent man and that she's talking specifically about her own preferences. That's not advocating a dog eat dog situation. What's unreasonable or harsh about wanting a partner with experiences similar to your own? It's clear that you've misinterpreted here. You've exagger…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 07:56 PM
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Oh I was just wondering if maybe that was the case since guys on here talk about how women did sociopaths but it must take a crazy woman to do that? You'd think so, wouldn't you? I can only guess but I think it started with a study about 3 qualities being key to successful hookups (search "dark triad") which got exaggerated into sociopathic which was misinterpreted as a personal elective of a sort. It's a complicated route getting there but basically it's a revenge fantasy thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 07:19 PM
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That's true, but why do a lot of guys feel they only have a chance with crazy women unless it's because they are easier? Why would crazy women be easier? Anyway, I thought men always tell each other to avoid crazy women. Very stupid women might be easier but I don't even know that that's true.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 11:13 AM
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why should I pay for it if I can get it by leading a woman to believe I want a relationship with her? Why would you be able to do that? If you can't even get FWB, why would someone want an LTR? Am I wrong about the FWB?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 10:47 AM
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No, I'm saying it causes a healthy man to go crazy and that it's normal in the same way a car crash causes PTSD. This is false. It can make a man unhappy but unhappy doesn't come close to the actuality of PTSD, let alone psychosis.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 09:59 AM
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the friends was posted on here, not sure how you missed the post. but these aren't my interpretations these are their own statements, they were very clear. Who are "the friends"? Post the link, please. They're voiced wrong to not be interpretations, accurate or not. Quotations would be their own statements.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 09:44 AM
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nope. it also isn't going to go well for my own mental health Do you expect other services for free or only sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 09:38 AM
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Yes and no. What a dry spell does to a man will ensure he no longer cares about ethics. You're saying this is normal in an emotionally healthy man of at least average intelligence?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 09:36 AM
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No, IRL US there are all sorts of decent, emotionally healthy men. I think a lot of it is hostility toward successful men from unsuccessful ones. As in "Well, he did get a date with her but that's because he's a big jerk and she's crazy".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 09:00 AM
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I think everyone has this sort of... ...That may of course be the best option as well. But this isn't what I asked. You said women were unable to differentiate between real and fake options and as a result we have an unrealistically elevated level of expectation of men, while in men, this ability to differentiate was so thorough they didn't even need to think about. I asked you why this is. There are two parts to this that need to be unpacked. First is that I think easy hookups are bad for men, …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 08:47 AM
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Nobody complains about how much choice they have. They complain about there being no good choices. Which women definitely do. It's all the same thing, just different words on it. Seems like 2 distinct things to me. Options vs their quality.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 07:20 AM
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what I have been told by women on this sub they wouldn't be interested in such a man due to these factors going after any likewise inexperienced women is wrong if a man doesn't have friends that's a major red flag because I am not a 10/10 men I cannot expect to date a woman who wouldn't abuse me, cheat on me or steal from me. so to me it reads a pretty dog eat dog world that women advocate for Considering how extreme and illogical these responses are and without a link to refer to, it's difficul…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 07:07 AM
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if I just want sex why do I need to love? I just want sex. I'm guessing you don't want to pay for it?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 06:59 AM
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I kind of understand where he's coming from. To be deceptive and crass is to rid yourself of the anxiety associated with the nuances of engaging faithfully. But unless they're amoral wouldn't this make the person like themselves even less?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 06:57 AM
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Men can say, for example "dang I just wish I could find romance one day" and is labeled as being cursed with bad personality. Meanwhile women can be... well sociopaths saying things like "haha, empathy? whats that? momma raised me to not give a fuck about anything and that I dont owe this world nothin, gimme money or go away, tee hee" then some idiot hands her money for some reason. This interpretation of male/female dynamics is an excellent example of a lack of nuance.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 06:38 AM
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Because if you are a man either without current friends then he is to be avoided by the plague, if he doesn't have experiences with relationships or sexually then he is screwed for life and it will always a situation that he isn't doing enough until he is doing too much and is mentally ill for it. Mental illness may be a cause of these problems but these problems do not cause mental illness. They may prolong or increase a depression that already exists, and depression can skew a person's percept…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 06:34 AM
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More options mean a greater likelihood of finding qualities that appeal.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 06:24 AM
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If you’re looking at two options and you think “why isn’t there that perfect thing I saw at the bigger store,” maybe your expectations were inflated? If I'd wanted sugar free kiwi-guava and we're speaking of a regular grocer, yes. But I was looking for marmalade and that's about as common as it gets. On an app, you might be able to find someone that checks all the boxes, but in real life you might not be able to. It’s not realistic to expect to that. It’s not realistic to always expect perfectio…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 06:18 AM
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You got it. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 02:54 AM
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According to TRP theory, the reason women move on so easily from a relationship is the war bride dynamic. This means that that when a male of another tribe kills a woman's husband and takes the woman prisoner she is very likely to develop a kind of Stockholm syndrome and follow the new man instead "War Bride dynamic"? What does any of this have to do with war brides? Leave it to TRP to invent a "theory" based on wishful thinking and then label it with a term they don't know the meaning of.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 01:37 AM
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Overabundance of options causes problems for sure. It’s not the options per se, but people’s reactions to them and their inability (through vice or foolishness) to properly navigate them. That's certain. But it's still better than not enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 01:20 AM
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I see women saying they don't have options... Yeah... or they try to compare having to date average guys as the same options that an ugly guy would get. I don't understand what you're saying here. Is it connected?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 01:15 AM
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Women's expectations for a man increase with her percieved amount of options. I think in modern dating percieved options greatly outstrip real options, leading to a delusional level of expectation. I think a lot of men actually just naturally get this... or at least they sense it, so they want to try and tamp it down. What is different in the male/female intellect that prevents women from even grasping this idea while it is inherent knowledge in men? Bear in mind that women are demonstrably bett…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 01:10 AM
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Women want to find someone nice to date faster. That’s the bottom line. They don’t like having to sort through tons of dating profiles and dumb conversations to get there. They don’t like having to deal with sleazy assholes on tinder. True. No one is ever going to say they want fewer options. But if you’re standing in an aisle at the grocery store looking at 100 different variations of the same product, you just want the 1-2 variants that you actually like. But to use the same example, if I like…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 12:51 AM
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When you hear about women talk about situationships, talk about trying to lock down a guy into a long term relationship, frustration with dating apps, that’s how the complaints are being voiced I'm missing something here. How does this translate into "I want fewer options"? Or is that not what you're saying?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 12:04 AM
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The massive amount of options women now have has made them indecisive about who to choose and they have a constant fear of missing out on the best possible partner who checks all the boxes. They don’t like the pressure in choosing the right partner. And they don’t like having to make compromises to find their partner. I don't see women complaining about having options as much as I see men complaining about women having options.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 11:42 PM
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They wanted to measure between three scenarios: virgin, low partner count, and high partner count. They picked 1 for low and 12 for high. The numbers are arbitrary. Thanks. I thought that, just wanted to be sure. Too bad they didn't add a middle number, 5 or 6, say. The extremes give something of a skewed picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 10:22 PM
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Any evidence to support that? All women barely prefer a partner count of 1 to a partner count of 0 (and prefer a partner count of 0 to a partner count of 12) Why did they jump from 1 to 12? Did I miss something?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 07:44 AM
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Have you met or read of a woman who was not a virgin but demanded that her husband be one? Or are you trying to equate virginity with protect/provide/$1,000s on engagement ring? What I've always experienced is that women want like for like. Virginity for virginity, providing for providing, protection for family, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 07:30 AM
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But if I explain WHY to the girl maybe she’ll understand the many unhealthy reasons why it’s bad. Like if someone has any addiction you through xyz reasons why it’s bad Unless she's somehow limited intellectually, why wouldn't she be aware of this already? Just tell her you don't love her now and go.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 04:17 AM
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On Reddit everyone advises to say to the women who gained weight that you love her the way you are. Why do I have to love a woman if she changed and gained 30/40+kg. She’s not the women who I got into a relationship with. I don’t feel the same way i felt. So why shall I lie? I don't know why anyone would tell you to do that. Make sure she knows you still love her, yes. Assuming you do love her for more than her body, I mean. If the reality is that you don't love her because she is overweight, it…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 04:06 AM
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My dad used to say "pitchers" and "catchers".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 03:36 AM
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What do you mean? It's not men who dictate the fashion trends, what masculinity means, what femininity means, etc. It's society as a whole. There's no patriarchal element to it. Because money and power make the rules, yes? Basically, if a man walks down the street in a suit, perfect. A man goes out in a dress and heels, he'd probably be ridiculed, maybe yelled at, maybe heckled. If a woman goes out in a dress and heels, that's fine (of course). A woman in a suit, that's also fine. How does this …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 03:35 AM
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until the day hetero guys discover prostate stimulation. Now it has a lot of stigma (is seen as gay = feminine = bad). Give it time and we'll get there. I'd be surprised if hetero people haven't known all about it long before anyone on this sub was born. Everyone has fingers and bums and time among themselves... Good if it does get accepted but it's still not going to change the main concept in our brains.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 03:33 AM
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The logic of the statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 03:18 AM
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That's not bc. That's 'who cares I'm horny, irresponsible and sort of lazy too.' Anyone who's even remotely sexually active has something set up. Or ought to.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 12:26 AM
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I don't think humanity is ever going to get past the primary concept of males = penetration and females = reception. I don't really see why we should. Being tolerant of varying types of behaviors is a good thing, as is even consent to participate. But I don't see anything to be gained by pretending that basic human sexual nature is other than it is. We've moved from limiting labels like the "lipstick lesbian" to now embracing diverse expressions like masculine-presenting women and "muscle mommie…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/24 12:16 AM
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So, if women are as capable, active and rational beings like men and they want equality, why stereotypes that are put on men hardly melts and softens? Why don't women approach guys and why don't we teach our girls to be outgoing, playmaker, approacher and secure in their freedom? I don't think this has anything to do with why I don't approach as I have no problems being outgoing, assertive, etc. I don't (didn't) approach because that wasn't the sort of man I was looking for. And I have no proble…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 11:40 PM
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I've never heard anyone say a man should work 24/7 or that women just can't work part time. Whoever these people were, I wouldn't consider them representative.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 09:41 PM
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But i doubt women will ever show up for men as they did for women. Probably not. But I do think they'd show up in greater numbers than men for feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 09:36 PM
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Very real in shitholes like Afghanistan. Myth in developed 1st world countries. Patriarchy isn't a myth and it exists as part of every society on earth. The MYTH is that it's always a bad thing and it never co-exists with any other system.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 09:34 PM
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I guess if you don’t wanna win you put women in there. There's no way around it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 09:31 PM
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A lot of us have accidents, especially when it's time to pull out. Who still uses this as bc?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 09:20 PM
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Not determining a man's success on whether or not he has and is providing for a family Success as...? Not expecting that any and all obstacles men face can and should be solved by themselves alone What sort of obstacles and who says this? Not treating men like the hyper-masculine bad gender But they're men. Who else is going to be hyper-masculine? The bad gender part is a problem, yes. I definitely agree men are being negatively characterized way too often on the internet and media. PPD is its o…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 08:57 PM
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People can’t just say they care about men’s mental health but then want men to be slaving away at jobs 24/7 to be “providers” while telling women they’re delicate little flowers who cannot be capable of even working part time. Who says this?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 08:49 PM
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What I see is that the middle and low class areas are drowing in crime. However, you go to the wealthiest most liberal spots, like where I live, and it's very safe. We have more police per person than anywhere else in the state. Go to the other side of town and response times are like 5 hours. That's what's so sad about it, too. The people with the most influence never have to live with the problems they create. I remember when I first found out about the emergency service differences I actually…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 06:41 PM
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I just searched again and couldn't find any other definition with the sexual reference. I'm slightly suspicious of it considering the sub it's on but OTOH, I know very very little about Swedish culture. I don't know what to think.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 06:22 PM
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You're subjecting yourself to the chance of it happening every time you decide to post in this subreddit, lmao. It's a request, yours to respect or not. lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 05:57 PM
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I don't think the situation itself has been brought about or sustained by women. One moment I remember is that during the height of BLM, a lot of liberal women (and some men) cheered on the riots and protests until they came into their neighborhoods. Then they turned into 40 year old white suburban Republican Karens when they realized that they were going to be personally affected. Even assuming this was the case, those who decided to give stand down orders to police, national guard and other ri…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 05:54 PM
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I forgot this part... I don't know where you live, but my suspicion is that it's people within the government bureacracy that are making these policy choices specifically to create chaos and division. Feminists in those groups are definitely and knowingly doing this. But why? What sort of benefit would it represent for women specifically? Because without that idea, feminists wouldn't go out of their way to make it happen. Your average woman who holds these views doesn't know why, because they ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 05:26 PM
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Nobody said women don't care or respect select few men they find attractive. Of course they would want less competition for that prime D. Yes, they have. And AFAIK this theory's main application is when dodging accountability for one's situation in life. "that prime D", huh? I can see nothing gets by you, socio-politically speaking. Please don't respond to my posts again. Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 01:52 AM
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My last point here is that as an American... I don't have to worry much. Our immigrants are generally awesome. But, if I was in some place like the UK or if I went back to visit family in Scotland... I'm not going to take my daughter unless we have a gun. I might be willing to settle for a Machette though. I've got years of knife fighting experience. What you've said here regarding Islam makes sense to me though I can't see it ever changing. Superiority based on faith alone is hard to resist. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 01:40 AM
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At the moment I was alone with my pc, unsupervised. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 01:20 AM
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Uh... yeah, in the same way slavemasters respect their slaves. This is stupid. I mean we aren't talking all women. We are just talking about the ideological feminists who actually have power in places like Whitehall. (emphasis mine) Thank you. This means we can have a logical discussion. Women in power appreciate money and more power every bit as much as their male counterparts. The era of women in power being more socially responsible is over. Or, perhaps you have another reason why they ONLY s…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 06:43 PM
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What’s interesting is that a lot of these men that don’t want men immigrating to their country are all for immigrating to another country as a passport bro. Logic says there would have to be a contingent of the type of men you describe but there's an equally representative number of everyday men with or without girlfriends, wives and families who simply don't want their homes and culture overtaken. I'm very much in agreement that there's plenty of men who objectify women beyond all reason but th…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 05:44 PM
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There's this whole thing where far right anti immigrant men believe liberal women are welcoming male refugees because they want to have sex with them. They even have name for them in places like Sweden, they call them ‘batikhäxa’ or batik witches. batikhäxa c. ( slang, derogatory) unattractive older female advocate for political correctness, multiculturalism, and feminism. This is just the first definition I came across and it looks more like a synonym for 'blue hair' or 'crazy cat lady' to me. …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 05:34 PM
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Plus, you also see the police here have stopped doing their jobs, but in the rural working class areas, it's still safe because 80% of the population is packing. Sure, in red rural areas. But have you been watching what's happening in blue places like urban or even rural California? Texans seems to have the will to survive but I don't see much evidence in a lot of other places. I hope America never gives up its guns but our politicians are no less corrupt than any place else in the west.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 05:20 PM
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If you made immigration 100% single women under 40, with no kids allowed and no ability to drag family members over within a 20 year period. Women would fucking shit a brick. They would shut down immigration so God Damned fast it would blow your mind. Which pretty much frees us from the myth that women don't want/care about/respect men, doesn't it? They see immigration as an increase in the options for dick. It's that simple. Right. Because women are continually overcome with lust. But if that w…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 05:07 PM
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Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 04:51 PM
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Yes and men CAN also marry active sex workers. Would you not categorize these as outliers? What I'm saying is that women DO categorize men into two camps sometimes, probably not as rarely as you are admitting here. The very distinction of "husband material" wouldn't ever be said if women's attraction towards men was't ALSO multidimensional. They do, but it's not based in MWC, or even related except in the case where her selection is based primarily on what she thinks his beliefs are. And the cam…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 10:16 AM
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But Imo it's not really that them respecting a woman makes them not attracted to them, it's them being mentally fucked in feeling powerless in sex to the degree where they become weird like that, where they need to feel above a woman to be able to have animalistic sex with her. But the root, and less extreme version of the phenomenon is pretty normal and genderless. AFAIK, this isn't the definition of MWC. MWC is a way of categorizing women into two groups, one being worthy of love, the other be…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 09:29 AM
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However critics argue that in these countries false accusations basically never happen and these same people claim false accusations happen all the time in the west. How have these critics backed up their claims? Are these castrations performed in societies where being a rape victim is shameful? How have these arrived at the opinion that it happens "all the time" in the west? Who are these critics? Clergy, government officials, manosphere? Do you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/24 02:28 AM
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No, they're great things but they do regulate the market more often for the benefit of women. How so? They happen long after selection.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 09:52 PM
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Jury selection expert would have the most fun. Representative images and that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 09:50 PM
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On a side note, viewing requests, talking about relationships or voicing concerns as shit tests is harmful to relationships. If you always think that your partner has ulterior motives, neither of you can feel secure in this relationship. Very much this. If anything can destroy intimacy faster than knowing your partner sees you as someone to be wary of, I don't know what it would be.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 09:11 PM
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But women do it subconsciously, the testing is to evaluate whether you're legit or not. Convenient way to not only invalidate her actions but avoid having to acknowledge any objection she might make to your theory. This is something adolescents do. Of both sexes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 09:05 PM
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I think some people do it, men and women. I think men who say all women do it are looking for a way to invalidate whatever she's thinking at that moment. I wouldn't spend time with a man I had to do that with. It's draining and it gets in the way of real intimacy and trust. If I need reassurance of any sort, I flat-out tell him and problem solved.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 08:05 PM
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Yike. Did you see the articles about Google AI bias?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 03:58 AM
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Men operate at the extremes. This is well known. Most brilliant geniuses are men but so are most dumbasses. Men are also more driven and risk taking which are also important factors. Men still comprise heavy majority of the world’s elite class. But this can't realistically be weighed against women's nature any more than female libido can be compared with male's due to the obviously heavy influence of having been so limited for choice, education, self-direction, etc. for so very long. Even reprod…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 03:55 AM
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I think the intention is a good one, but anything beyond a voluntary and basic communication/financial skill program would be hopeless. How many people does the average person know well enough for that person to be able to give an accurate but unbiased account? And where to find enough people who are capable of unbiased, logical judgment for the tribunal? We've been trying to do that for decades and it only seems to be getting worse. Some of society's most biased and politically motivated people…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 03:23 AM
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I have been doing this but people keep attack me personally than engage the discussion. It happens to lots of people, including me. How can that be a good reason to join in with them? I am curious why you single me out instead of other men on here who did similar things. Because yours was particularly ridiculous. One dude literally said something similar about op discovering middle school or something. I did see it. I thought his post was also stupid but not as ridiculous as yours, particularly …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 02:40 AM
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Which is the only level that’s going to matter in the future. Why would it change from how it is now? All higher levels effect lower ones to some extent. I can almost guarantee that group will be comprised of majority men. Tell how you can before you brag.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 02:26 AM
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You liberals have been doing this to me and people like me the whole time and when we suddenly do it you see it as a problem. What have I done to you? Pointed out that you're supposed to engage over the topic, not your perceptions about the poster? Can you honestly say what you're trying to do is an effective way to encourage or advance the quality of any type of conversation? Debate the subject, not the person. Try it for a while and see if it isn't better.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 01:16 AM
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Umm no. As it stands men still overwhelming do all the hard physical labor jobs. Men overwhelming maintain the infrastructure of society (roads, electricity, farming, construction, plumbing, hvac, water treatment/sewage, garbage, communications, oil refineries, the list goes on and on.) But hey keep fantasizing about your feminist utopia. Umm, engineering. Pure physical strength is no longer the only way to get things done. BUT more importantly, and no matter who is doing it, and as necessary as…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 12:55 AM
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All the state needs to shut this site down is a few armed men to storm the server farm and pull the plug. Haha, okay. But for that matter, why not simply cut their power closer to the source? No muscle required. You'd have to find someone stupid enough to do it, either way. Someone who wouldn't think far enough to consider what happens the next day. Or hour. Practicalities.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 12:42 AM
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So what people are allowed to critique other posts or provide push back. So critique the post, not the person who posted it or whether their motivation entitles them to do so. Purplepill women make similar sly remarks to redpill bro posts about women and dating scene. So here's your chance to debate the validity of the remark. Or not. It's up to you. Just as long as you stick to the issue at hand, not your perceived eligibility (or lack of it) of the person posting. You just defensive towards th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 12:35 AM
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Not any more and less and less every day. Information, industry, medicine and science, have changed almost everything, including but also above and beyond anything the state can do. Those days when physicality trumped all are drawing to a close. Short of some sort of apocalypse, anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 12:24 AM
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Look lady it's not our problem you can't find a man to peg Literally talked about bottoms, men being penetrated, and bottom doors during your entire post so that's why I felt like that was a major topic in your post. Why are you trying to prevent the topic from being discussed? If it's that important to you, create a thread called "people must not be allowed to ask questions about homophobia", or anal sex, or misogyny as pertains to anal sex, or pegging vs. homophobia, or, or... Or whatever it i…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 12:12 AM
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From a dating perspective, is it better for the man to be physically attractive and financially unattractive or the other way around? Impossible to say, I suppose. Physically attractive is always a great thing but people can be broke for all sorts of reasons. Unless the person is broke for some reason that would also make them a bad candidate for an intimate relationship, I'd say physically attractive. But that sort of wrecks the intent of your question, right? I'll just say it's impossible to k…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 12:02 AM
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This would be an interesting question for debate but you've based it on an article that requires an account, which I'm not willing to create. Surely, if this idea can be considered as conventional wisdom you could find a more accessible article?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 11:53 PM
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Its literally biologically coded into women over millions of years of evolution. Biological coding isn't nearly as strong as social limitations. Watch how the entire man/woman equation changes as women become truly as empowered as men. Still, I definitely agree with your current estimation.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 11:43 PM
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What are men owed? If nothing, women and children aren't owed anything either. Men are owed half of the couple's assets adjusted for whichever partner's loss in earning capacity, and the right to support their children, at least financially.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 11:37 PM
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child support, alimony, divorce splitting of assets, child custody. These are bad things?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 11:34 PM
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But why? Why care about personality to sleep with them? After all, you don’t fuck a personality. Maybe this is something I fail to understand because I’m a man. Because women aren't allowed this sort of sexual freedom. We aren't taught or encouraged to objectify men. In fact, we've only recently been 'allowed' by social judgement to consider physical attributes as it is, and women + purely casual sex is only grudgingly accepted. There's no shortage of men (as well as too many women) who will giv…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 11:30 PM
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I'd say 15% - 20% of the men I meet are attractive enough for me to be willing to date. However, the man who has no attractive qualities to him is fairly rare as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 11:05 PM
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Explain to me how they differ physiologically that one experiences pain and one not. The size of the penis, the size of the anus, the thickness of the muscle, the thickness of interior walls, the location of internal organs, muscle strength and thickness, autonomic response to foreign objects, sensitivity of nerve endings... Were you aware that different women orgasm from different types of stimulation, because their bodies and responses are different? Think of it that way. I don't understand wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 07:41 AM
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THere is no pain and domination is not the point. In whose estimation? Yours alone?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 07:29 AM
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It's a proverb, not to be taken literally 🙄 No, the point in fact IS that women's sexuality not only is degrading to her but should not be expressed unless it's in service of a man's sexual gratification. The version I grew up with is "whore" rather than "haram" but it's the same idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 02:37 AM
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i just bring this up because half the time a man has a request or desire its dismissed due to him not bringing enough to the table. and it reads a little disingenious to me because we all know how women work at this point. its almost like code for "hes not attractive enough" but its phrased in a way to mean hes not putting in enough effort. but a guy can put in way more effort than fuckboy chad and get less than half the kinky fun sex fuckboy pump and dump chad is getting. because the roles are …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 02:33 AM
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By that logic the vagina is the blood hole. And the mouth is the bacteria hole. See how limited that thinking is What does this matter even if this did make sense? Stick to the degradation/domination argument. Not all women are going to be willing and nothing boring about it. Besides, one's rectum is likely the most vulnerable and least appealing part of one's body. Not the most intimate.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 01:12 AM
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...and it reads a little disingenious to me because we all know how women work at this point. This reads as a lot disingenuous to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 01:00 AM
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Lady in the streets, haram in the sheets. No, thanks. Women's sexuality isn't haram.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 12:55 AM
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Tell women to stop being attracted to dominance and power. Here's where you stop making sense. Wanting to feel dominance and power is part of one's personality. It isn't dependent on women being attracted to it. Plus if you're thinking that it can be blamed on women, you may not understand dominance as much as you believe you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 12:50 AM
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Where the butthole doesn't even get wet, doesn't constrict or expand and doesn't stimulate bc women don't have prostates. I could go the rest of my life without direct clitoral but these are my exact feelings about things put in my bum. I think those men here saying they enjoy the reaction to the pain or the feeling of domination are definitely the most perceptive if not also the most genuine.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 12:44 AM
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It's not painful if done right This isn't accurate as a general statement. Women differ regardless of whether it's "done right" or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 12:33 AM
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There's a strange narrative around this sub in which men get angry when a woman has done something nasty with "Chad" but then refuses to do it again in a LTR I may be wrong but I've come to believe it's because they don't think of it as the woman trying or even doing something for her own experience as much as they see it as "She allowed him to do that to her body but now she won't allow me!" as if her wants or feelings don't really figure anyplace into the equation. I think this largely because…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 12:09 AM
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When a man can't find a relationship, I often see women deducing the unlikely, namely that his problem is his personality. I doubt that women are going to credit the failure to entirely one quality when they know nothing about the man other than women don't like him. If a man says he's not ugly, living in squalor, or still ruled by his parents personality seems like a fair enough guess. Attraction is based on more than one attribute, even if one of those attributes are at a level enjoyed by only…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 11:44 PM
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Thank you for telling me because it was making me crazy trying to understand what sort of person could think like she did. I can be credulous. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 05:20 PM
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They just need to get laid and make that connection with a woman. Am I wrong? You're not wrong. But until men acknowledge that women have the same need and stop dividing us into women you take seriously and women whose bodies you just use, this problem is going to continue. Men have done this to themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 01:45 PM
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The guy was being cheap with the waitress. How is that not a huge red flag? You're supposed to be putting your best foot forward on a first date How so? Unless he mentioned her tip how could he be cheap with her? I might wonder about his financial situation if $3 mattered but OTOH, $3 for a slice of burger-type cheese isn't usually reasonable. I certainly wouldn't see it as a negative in and of itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 11:57 AM
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Huh??? I watched this three four times to make sure I hadn't missed anything. This woman is saying she could eat her meal but not remain at the table because he wouldn't pay for cheese on his burger? And was therefore FORCED to pay for both meals in order to escape the situation? Why does she do this to herself, indeed. This kind of fragility shouldn't be walking around anywhere unescorted, let alone NYC. I keep thinking I must have missed something like he attacked the waitress or started throw…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 11:48 AM
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EDIT: I am 34 That's not middle aged! It's not even close. I am Ukrainian but I have been living in the US since 1996 but I have gone back to Ukraine to fight. Is it normal in Ukraine to be a male virgin at 45+ years old? Good for you for your courage and loyalty to your country, BTW.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 10:47 PM
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There are plenty of gay and bi men that are more masculine than straight men. Homosexuality is not un masculine. It does not make you less manly. That's heteronormative nonsense that's just classic homophobia. Everyone has both masculine and feminine traits and they're primarily inherent. If everyone has both kinds of TRAITS (plural) that would mean that a person's level of masculinity or femininity would be a combination of all these various traits together. THEREFORE it's entirely possible tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 10:20 PM
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A man who reaches middle age without ever experiencing sexual intimacy isn't a normal average man. I did assume he was referring to the west, so I may be wrong about it being average. Are you a middle aged male virgin from a non-western culture?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 09:15 PM
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How is expanding your social circle "deception". Wtf are you women on about? Expanding one's social circle isn't deception. Pretending to be someone's friend is deception. Why do you need to ask this?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 09:02 PM
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Being sexually attracted to men is not a masculine trait. Everyone has both masculine and feminine traits and they're primarily inherent. Why is that idea toxic?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 08:59 PM
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It's pretty telling that every hetero woman that says no is resorting to the whole "you're so emotional" when people call out that they sound kinda super bigoted in how they're responding. It could be that you are over-emotional. Denying what someone clearly tells you in order to support your negative portrayal is frequently based in emotion. How do you see it as bigoted? It's based on an observable, describable, self-described trait. That's far from bigotry. When you say being attracted to othe…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 08:32 PM
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I exist, I have had a woman say she would love to be in a serious relationship with me but caveat she would have sex with someone else not me. And..? I don't understand what you're trying to say here.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 08:09 PM
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The reason being for his situation isn't relevant I believe, just a normal average man who just never had any relationship or sex. A man who reaches middle age without ever experiencing sexual intimacy isn't a normal average man. While I would appreciate some explanation as to the reason given, it isn't necessary I would also appreciate a simple yes or no to this as well. I don't understand how this information would be useful without knowing why and based on a type that just doesn't exist in ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 07:39 PM
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Yeah, bigoted assumptions that bi men are less masculine and less than men. It's got nothing to do with "personal or intellectual" qualities. Just say bi men are icky and aren't really MEN. Needing to deny what a person flat-out tells you they think and replace it with a negative, cliched characterization to then rail against is a good clue that you may be letting emotion affect your comprehension. You can't pretend when you are inherently seeing being by as less masculine. I don't understand wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 07:30 PM
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As the saying goes, "parenthood is a thankless job." It's even more thankless when it's not your kid and you have zero legal claim over them. The level of thanklessness depends on the type of compensation expected. This is true for all forms of giving. Not having legal claim over someone won't diminish the value of the good done for them. Do we criticize single childlesss women who say they don't won't to date single father's because it's more drama and work than they are willing to deal with? S…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 07:13 PM
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Something tells me your view of masculinity is probably just as bullshit or even worse than the mainstream toxic redpill one lmao Let me guess: that "something" is the fact that mine doesn't match yours? lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 03:31 PM
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Ah yes, "they're not like us". The argument of the year. You've completely ignored that this is a common insult from women to men to seemingly attack their masculinity. As I said, from stupid people. And that's exactly what they're doing. First, you're wrong believing that women are less homophobic than men. That's a bias you have. I did a little confirmation research before I posted, just to make sure. I am not wrong. Not by age or by religion or by country. Women are homophobic in a different …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 03:28 PM
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Maybe some women will reflect on this when men categorize certain women’s traits/behaviors as un-feminine. I suppose it would depend on the accuracy of the categorization but if it helps, good.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 02:37 PM
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I agree though I'm not sure I'd be as harsh on those who don't meet the standard. Poverty doesn't = a broke-ass bum anymore than being a single mom = a lesser person. I do think that someone who can't support kids but attacks single motherhood instead of admitting it is definitely a jerk. The objectification idea makes sense most of all to me. A man who even primarily sees only a body isn't going to appreciate much else about the situation. The type of man who feels indignant at the idea of rais…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 02:25 PM
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At least you're honest There'd be no point in responding otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 09:36 AM
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Good I love a good no true Scotsman. Feminists love to trash men for things that 1% of the male population does but as soon as women get trashed in the same manner (with lived experience that according to feminists should trump anything) it's some weak cop out huh? Huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 09:34 AM
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Believing that a girl is getting along with some guy in order to spite you and the collective of women sounds like pure mental illness. That's close enough to be considered an unfounded insult. Idk what I did to piss you off but apologies. "Not say “are you sure? You could just be mentally ill?” I hate this term, but this is what women mean what they say mansplaining. I’m not gonna pretend to know all the inner mechanics of relationships between men and I don’t appreciate men doing the opposite.…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 08:59 AM
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No, it's not. It's a highly effective dating strategy. Is this where the explanations about RP being amoral and that's okay begin? And men lose out a lot by not using it more often. Wouldn't this serve to make them more isolated and lonely than they already are? What would be wrong with simply asking the person for an introduction rather than deceiving them?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 08:50 AM
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Frequently, but to be fair the impression is always based on some prior knowledge, even just watching them interact with others around them for a few minutes. It's generally enough in the case of a strong (negative or positive) impression.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 08:38 AM
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Trust me, bisexual women are no better. Do you think these women are obligated to pretend that they do find it attractive? If they have some sort of moral judgment against it, fine. But people can't really control what arouses them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 08:32 AM
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So why do you find it unappealing? It's an un-masculine trait/behavior. There are other feminine and neutral traits that don't cause a man to become sexually unappealing to me at all. I suppose it's because sexual desire is such a basic quality in everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 08:27 AM
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The first insult women generally use towards heterosexual men is calling them gay or saying they engage in gay sex acts. My experience is that stupid women consider it an all-purpose insult, as well as stupid men. FWIW, my usual insult is "idiot" and that goes for either sex. Who someone else finds attractive means very little to me. Yes, women are generally homophobic towards gay men. So, if women are mainly homophobic while still being less homophobic than men, how do you explain society's (UK…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 08:20 AM
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It's wild to me how rigid women's expectations are of men and masculinity while men are a lot more forgiving... It's equally wild to me how easily you jumped to conclusions about my ideas about men. Masculinity varies from man to man and, believe it or not, woman to woman. Most people have some masculinity in their natures. ...and women are much more free from their gender roles. Objectification is a more logical reason. What about sexual intimacy between women goes against traditional gender ro…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 08:03 AM
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What about me being sexually attracted to other men impacts that so much? Being sexually attracted to other men, in and of itself. I don't have a moral objection but it isn't arousing or attractive to me, either. The only thing I can think of is that either you find me to be less of a man, heterosexual women are attracted to men. All adult males are men. While I can't qualify your masculinity as I don't know you, the desire to be sexually intimate with another male isn't masculine. Generally spe…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 07:52 AM
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Many hetero women (including myself) find bisexual men sexually unappealing. I've known very, very few hetero women reject friendship with gay or bi men based on their sexual preference. I've never heard another woman assume a gay or bi man is riddled with disease, or that bi men are actually gay. I can't see any reason why we would. I'm not saying that your experience wasn't as you say, but it does seem unrealistic to generalize on the entirety of women as "phobic" when we tend to be more toler…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 11:21 PM
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Would you date someone who is bisexual? Absolutely not. I have no moral issue with bisexuality but a man's attraction to other men would be completely counter to my ideas about masculinity. I'm guessing but men's acceptance of bisexual women has more to do with the ease most men have with objectifying women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 11:06 PM
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It's weird. Whether it's a good or bad thing depends on if it keeps the users from annoying others or if it intensifies already bad thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 06:20 PM
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There is a connection between how you and society behave towards men without sexual partners and women who do not have orgasms. Sex should be a competition for the men and they should have to perform more than what women need to get sex. The men should be the ones to take responsibility for his and the woman's orgasm. And then you think that men should care about a woman's orgasm as much as their orgasm during sex. If women would find it more difficult to have sex, fewer women would end up in a …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 06:49 PM
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. . . and it gives untold advantages to the woman in every turn. It doesn't do that, but there is definitely a problem. The problem is that while women have it drilled into them from the time we are old enough to understand that "decent girls don't", EVERYONE is taught that a man's sexuality is always the main concern, that his gratification is priority. Whether as something to be gracefully dodged without offending while never quite taking control of or fully enjoying our own (women) or somethi…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 05:29 AM
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Surely with the advent of the internet where people can research problems and how to attract men, there should be less single women, not more. I don't think it's a matter of attracting male attention as much as it is finding a man who would be a positive addition to her life.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 09:35 AM
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Its because men are more disposable and more anti-social than women. Absolutely disagree. Remember, throughout the overwhelming majority of history, men made the decision about who to fight, and when, and where. And they didn't choose women because they're weaker, smaller, less aggressive and watching the kids. I do agree that we should be encouraging a culture that teaches men to respect and value women as human beings. That will help put a damper on the biological impulse a lot of men feel to …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 08:58 AM
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As your example shows, the n-count has little to do with the ideas or intentions of the women, same as with men. As to who brings more value, it depends on what the man is looking for in a partner. Your post demonstrates an important logic about n-count. Let's hope those who really need to ponder it, will.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/24 05:52 AM
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How much is nature vs. nurture? I don't know, but they both seem like factors. Both are factors. But none of this addresses the fact that if we didn't teach and expect men to be as entitled and objectifying as we do, there'd be no problems. As far as men meeting women's approval, I mean. Masculinity is as necessary to society as femininity.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/24 05:41 AM
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If they are female, they are more likely to pursue a career where they can help and protect people than men who had a traumatic childhood. If they are male, they are more likely to develop anti-social personality disorders like narcissistic personality disorder or sociopathy than women who had a traumatic childhood I do get that but what I'm saying is what does it prove? Women will pursue helpful occupations more than men and men will develop ASPD/NPD more than women, with or without trauma. And…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/24 12:16 AM
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Time and place of course, but I love it when my husband is affectionate. I would assume that a relationship would be that outlet. Does that only apply to women? It seems unfair that women can be as "needy" or affectionate as they want and it would be seen as cute but a man wanting to be affectionate gives people the ick. What? Needy and affectionate aren't the same things.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/24 12:00 AM
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...being a virgin at 25 will select for men who are in a similar position for similar reasons, whether it's being undesirable, or being traditional, or the belief of wanting to make your first time special... That's how I picked my current girlfriend, but I'm a pretty atypical guy. Makes sense to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 08:09 AM
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Most men want similar things for a LTR/marriage; a women who is submissive/agreeable, attractive/healthy body weight, not promiscuous, good values, good personality.. It's crazy how the majority of women do not meet this simple criteria. You left out the most critical requirement of all, the one about her wanting him. At least from what I've read on this sub. IRL I know lots more women who meet your criteria than don't. Maybe widen your social circle?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 07:20 AM
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I don't know. I mean to me that is like saying the fact that men are 4" taller and carry 30 pounds more muscle than women is due to culture, not evolution. One involves conscious choice while the other is purely genetic. That's not the same. So women who have been traumatized in childhood are more likely to respond by seeking careers where they can help and protect others, while men are more likely to respond to traumatic childhoods by developing sociopathy or narcissism. Besides the obvious que…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 06:42 AM
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I don't know why they shouldn't. There are as many fat men as their are women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 11:50 PM
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Are we going to end up with a culture where most women are constantly disappointed in how emotionally immature men are because men are not and will never be on the same level of pro-social as women due to both biological and cultural factors? The lack of emotional maturity comes more from the way men are raised rather than evolution. We need to stop telling them their masculinity is naturally a bad thing while at the same time teaching them a more responsible/realistic view of the people around …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 11:45 PM
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Red pill's primary goal is teaching a man how to deceive a women into doing something that he will then say has lowered her value. Why would anyone want that?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 12:55 PM
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I think the belief that not getting what one wants sexually justifies destroying other people is a bad commentary on men and how our society raises them. Maybe there's a conversation about male sexual entitlement that needs to be had now that the sexual balance between men and women is shifting more and more each day. That answers my question though. Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 12:49 PM
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My point isn't whether it's valid or not, but rather that it's a common argument I've seen countered with insecurity as a significant motive or cause of bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 12:38 PM
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Why don't we hear more cavernous flappy vagina jokes, or quips about how a woman has "small tits" energy? The sexually unappealing woman has been a staple of American and British entertainment since vaudeville days and probably longer. Women's actual personal value has based upon their sexual appeal or its lack for even longer than that, and not as a source of entertainment. It's only recently that public censure has started to focus on it and it's certainly in no danger of going extinct. It's a…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 12:23 PM
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Even in (and sometimes especially in) the most gender-progressive spaces, men who express emotional distress and a need for support are shut down with an accusation that they're "expecting others to perform emotional labor for them". I've only seen this when men are looking for support in inappropriate ways and from inappropriate people, such as women they'd like access to. I've seen LOTS of encouragement around getting therapy, expressing feelings for non-manipulative reasons, making more frien…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 06:31 AM
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Gaslighting keeps the mass shootings at a minimum I didn't ask you for all the answers. I asked you to clarify your statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 06:07 AM
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You can't reason someone out of shit they didn't reason themselves into. 100 points :)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 09:11 PM
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Ad hom-ing the entirety of those who disagree with you isn't much of a rebuttal.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 09:08 PM
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Testosterone doesn't cause insanity. Neither does a lifetime of loneliness. And even if they did, it doesn't answer my question.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 09:03 PM
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Same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 01:32 PM
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You're saying that men who haven't had success with women would naturally commit mass shootings? Wouldn't that indicate a natural and unrealistic sense of entitlement?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 01:26 PM
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Deserving isn't the same as being given. Even if it was, how can anyone ensure that another person is loved or fulfilled?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 01:23 PM
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But then dudes say things like "Even if you get a girl, she's always going to be thinking about her ex", "She's only with me for validation" or "she's just settling until she can find someone better". I believe it comes from those who don't like themselves much but I also believe it can come weaponized in an attempt to demand sympathy, their own way from women, or that other men don't enjoy the things about women that they've been unable to experience themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 01:00 PM
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Women have only really tolarated male sexuality in exchange of provisions for most human history. This is the only point I can agree with. I don't understand where your ideas about "porn sex" are based on. For much of our relatively recent history, "decent" women weren't expected or encouraged to orgasm. I do realize that too many men see themselves as entitled to anything a woman has done sexually in previous relationships and whether she desires it or not. I'm not sure that's what you're speak…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 12:27 PM
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The same way, the same places, but to a lesser extent.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 12:10 PM
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What pressure? Who's pressuring you? Are you unaware that historically and currently, women are valuated according to their sexual appeal to men?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 02:09 AM
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Intelligence will take a man 3x as far as higher education alone, as far as I'm concerned. What always matters is what that man has done with his education/intelligence and how much it's affected his self-esteem.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 02:07 AM
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Your feminist indoctrination and gender bias leading you to believe women are any less scum than men are. What's the matter with you? This thread is asking WOMEN for their opinion about a completely unrelated matter, but your response is to try and turn it into "but women are bad!!"? You're complaining because I didn't mention that women are scum in a thread that CLEARLY has nothing to do with that idea. You don't seem able even to grasp the meaning of the comment I repeated for you. If you want…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 11:22 AM
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It takes time for a person to find a sense of style that suits them. They have to try out clothes that may not flatter them. They have to try different haircuts that may not suit their face. They have to try different ways of applying makeup and/or different ways of contouring their facial hair. When a person has a very well-put-together look, it's only natural to appreciate it. And it's natural to prefer someone who has put in this effort over someone who hasn't. There is NOTHING like the appea…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 12:39 AM
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"Women (mostly progressive types) give a sometimes doubtful picture of them..." Any thoughts on what I might have meant by that?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 12:29 AM
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However, women are very aware of the fact that men are lenient and varied enough in their tastes not to penalize women for their fashion choices. This is silly. It's as if you're bending over backward to avoid saying for every woman who dresses in a particular style, there are men who not only approve but find it sexy as well. Also, women in the last 10, 20 years have been distinctively taught not to go out of their way to cater to men's tastes. A few even become outright defiant and go out of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 05:49 PM
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And for men they like sometimes . Most things straight women do is for approval for other women .It has not got anything to do with men Considering the amount of pressure to appeal sexually to men that's just a normal part of being female, what you're saying here makes no sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 05:19 PM
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I know "just don't be fat" is a meme, but there's an element of truth to it. Unfortunately when I see "just don't be fat" I think of men looking for a body to use. The comment negates much of anything else. My husband loves color and shine and style. I do it primarily for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 01:23 PM
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This is ridiculous. Women do it for themselves, for other women and for men, both to please and annoy. The percentage for each reason varies depending on the woman herself. My husband loves heavy makeup and designer trendy. My friend's opinions vary. I'm happiest in feminine non-fashion but I wear every type. Sometimes for me, lots of times for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 01:13 PM
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I'm not over familiar with Indian culture but I thought it was a matter of always having a chaperone in traditional situations? Or are you talking about just casual hookup sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 01:02 PM
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It doesn't love you. Don't be dumb. Anyway, it's still masturbation. The difference isn't great enough to die over.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 12:55 PM
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And behaving in a red pilled manner definitely gets you better results I would say, it's just exhausting and unrewarding If they're exhausting and unrewarding, what are these results superior to?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 12:36 PM
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This makes sense except for the (apparent) assumption that money is all it's about. Men have historically been less-than-sufficient for women's needs in general due to the uneven power distribution the finances were causing. Those men who haven't upped their game overall are the ones being left behind, not only those with less money.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 12:24 PM
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If he's getting equal or more than what he's offering, he isn't settling as regards his relationships. He's settling as to what he requires of himself. They aren't the same things.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 12:18 PM
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If a "leader" does come for these types of men, it will be the first time in the history of the planet. Hiding in the shadows and griping on the internet doesn't make a very effective army or produce successful leaders. What it does do is indicate a real need for personal improvement. That's just daydreaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 12:10 PM
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Mostly, because they don't even try. Are you offering these points as good reasons you don't try? Refusing to try unless the experience is always comfortable and results are guaranteed is foolish and it still constitutes "refusing to try."
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 12:04 PM
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A sex bot would still qualify as masturbation.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 11:55 AM
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Given the choice between offering more to women, including recognizing our sexuality is as valid as their own, it does seem like a lot of men would rather live without sex. I think it's a waste, definitely, but at least they're not going to die from it and it's a choice that can change.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 11:51 AM
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Ha! I'd run away fast anytime a man looked like coming too close to me. Women (mostly progressive types) give a sometimes doubtful picture of them while 90% of men online sound horrendous.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 01:10 AM
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Thanks :)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 09:55 PM
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Part 2 of 2 You're not broken, you (and a lot of women too) are misinformed. Humans as a group have survived and even thrived in spite of some fairly inaccurate ideas about themselves and the world around them. When, ever in all of history, was a significant portion of the female population this powerful and self-determined? And gaining so much so quickly? How is anyone supposed to just think "Oh! That's the problem!" out of nowhere when it's been fine for hundreds of years? That's your answer t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 07:51 AM
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Part 1 of 2 Lol that borders in paranoia, You think men are somehow able to keep a conspiracy theory over thousands of years and throughout the whole globe, even from parts of it which had not contact for thousands of years. but cant just ditch women they hate because they happen to just "like" sex? That it is just a "hobby"? You see men way better than I ever did. Exceptions exist? yeah sure, but well... occam's razor. Occam's razor, indeed. Why should it require any sort of conscious intent, l…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 07:50 AM
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Not to blame anyone for anything...but dont you think men need institutional help at this point? As in research or actual inpatient help? Research and research dollars, yes. Inpatient, we need a lot more services for male and female. I request that you look up stats of education of men compared to women in the past few decades. Same with suicides please. And, to make this convo curious, I request that you dont look at the researcher's speculations. Its kind of nuts... I've read a good bit of thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 01:28 PM
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Think with me, the distaste of men for higher n women is instinctual and similar to our distaste towards fat bellies we have no control... We disagree on this. The "no control" theory is naturally more appealing than the one that says it's plain old human jealousy, insecurity and possessiveness. Civilization has never required men to acknowledge this because men have historically been the voice and the POV of civilization. Don't forget Ruben's women, flappers, waifish 60s or 90s Heroin Chic, eit…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 12:23 PM
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Nor I.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 09:56 PM
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I disagree. What you're describing would be very awkward but at least he gets a chance to demonstrate any other qualities he may have in his favor, while for a woman it's not only a matter of losing out on intimate relationships but her value as a human being as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 09:54 PM
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I get that you offered " its existence as a possible reason for a suicide", but I want to tell you that men being emotionally dumb is not a new disability in men. Men have always been bad with emotions. so I believe, that male suicide has not increase ONLY because of poor communication skills. But look - you're already doing it right here. I didn't say "dumb" and I don't believe it's a case of dumb, either. And who says men have always been bad with emotions? Isn't it entirely possible that it's…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 09:41 PM
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But think with me, what do you think men who have this opinion would actually do? They would probably pursue whatever is good looking enough to be considered "fuckable", but also want to avoid having to spend more time, energy and money than strictly necessary for getting sex. If this were actually the case, I'd expect prostitution to be a much larger business than it is. But you're correct in saying it's "somewhat" similar. Thing is, men want the company, affection, feeling of closeness, conver…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 09:14 PM
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In all the examples, the husband is being normal/reasonable, while the wife has excessively high standards for the purpose of impressing her friends. Any time one partner complains about the house being "too clean" and too much time and effort put toward their kids, with the main goal not being to change these things but just not having to put effort into these things themselves, that partner's POV is suspect. And as I said, your scenario isn't any too realistic in the first place. Like I explai…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 08:57 PM
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Definitely. And doing this is more effective than a thousand lectures on the advantages of being organized.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 08:41 PM
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TBH, this sounds like a description of a (tired) sitcom where the husband is an unambitious slob and the wife is a twittering social climber. Except in your version, we're supposed to believe the husband's standards to be not just superior to the rest of their social group but also giving him the right to be lazy. The real world doesn't work that way. Women aren't always the tidy ones and men aren't necessarily socially clueless. And when people have kids, they *do* need to be more and better th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 09:17 AM
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Orthognathic Surgery can fix almost any underbite. I believe it’s covered by a good number of insurance too. I don't think this is the case and even if it were, most people don't have insurance or the co-pay, and you're talking about a painful, dangerous and significant surgery when it is possible. It's probably only slightly less than leg extending surgery. The point is that it’s orders of magnitude more difficult to deal with rejection based on your immutable characteristics, because there is …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 04:27 AM
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You're right. I was confusing your post with another's. But I do think, you should look more into suicide of men and their high rates. Stop trying to defend anything at all and just for a little become an alien and view humans as if they are 'below you'. Do you really think that 4 suicides per hour of men is only and majorly because of 'lower ability to communicate' and more 'successful' means of suicide? You are correct in saying that women are almost higher(in most countries) in attempted suic…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 03:46 AM
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And...? You're saying small penis = race or gender but a massive underbite = how they apply their makeup?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 02:54 AM
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Appearance is very changeable. That's not true. Some features are. Some can be camouflaged, dependent on time and place. Some absolutely cannot be changed. Anyway, are you saying being rejected for these things is somehow preferable to being rejected for a small penis?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 10:22 PM
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I think fundamentally women seriously struggle to understand how it feels to be judged based unchangeable genetic traits. Right. Because women's value has never been based on their physical appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 08:52 PM
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I agree. I think it's important, too, to recognize that early social structure was basically people doing the best they knew how. Men being physically stronger and unhampered by pregnancies usually got their way, but it wasn't with malicious intent. If only they could acknowledge equality... Happily more and more are figuring this out.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 08:11 PM
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I definitely agree. But why did you lead off with this? You're buying into the feminist propaganda trying to dismiss, blame, and shame men for their loneliness as something that shouldn't exsist. It puts all the issues you listed as the fault of feminism, or basically, women. The issues between men and women exist. The issues between social classes exist too, I just think you're mixing them up with that first sentence. And FWIW, I don't consider anything masculine as naturally toxic. I believe t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 07:55 PM
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Most men don't share this opinion but those that do should pursue women who only want them for sex, or money, or protection, etc. Apparently this angers those men as well, though. There's no shortage of men complaining about it on PPD, anyway. Reciprocity is important. That and allowing women to control their own sexuality. It doesn't seem like it should be so complicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 07:33 PM
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They aren't being deliberate about their actions. They're sex activity is something they feel is out of their control or doesn't matter. You couldn't be more wrong. In fact, the best definition as to whether any activity is a problem or not is whether a person can control it. Sex, dieting, lifting, religion, just about anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 01:57 AM
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I am not being combative. Many Churches and temples just conduct ceremonies with no mention of financial arrangements. You're sure? I did think they absolutely require a license and they filed afterward. That automatically adds a financial aspect.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 11:13 PM
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Men just talk about "lonelyness and love" because it is more socially acceptable than saying you are horny. Yep. And when the majority of men and women acknowledge an equal right and enthusiasm for sex in women, 90% of this issue will be solved. Men haven't done themselves any real favors trying to control women's sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 11:08 PM
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You're buying into the feminist propaganda trying to dismiss, blame, and shame men for their loneliness as something that shouldn't exsist. Should it exist? I mostly see women saying a man's loneliness isn't a woman's fault or obligation to solve for him. How is that wrong? But in the past, when societies were more cooperative, a man could have pride in contributing to a community that appretiated him for his efforts. I think men pretty much are appreciated for their accomplishments. That's been…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 11:02 PM
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Accents. Especially the ones that get stronger the more riled they get.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 07:22 PM
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It seems that in relationships, marriage and in general, it seems that men get a lot more depressed being sexless compared to women. This is because, in general, society teaches men (and a lot of women) that a man's sexual gratification is priority and any time it's not treated as such, he is being wronged. There is still a good chunk of society that believes denying a man gratification is physically harmful to him. Just read through this thread to see how many think it's as necessary as food, c…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 07:10 PM
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Women are the gender who physically control access to sex, not men. Only by default. Any time men in general decide to develop self-discipline, stop pretending their sexual gratification is a universal priority and recognize that women have as much right and ability to enjoy their sexuality as men do theirs, this inequity will resolve itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 05:51 AM
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Of the few perpetually single men I know, only one is less than 7/10 but each one is unusually self-centered and tends to choose either women much more attractive or wealthier than themselves. They're pretty much average to better than in all other aspects.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 04:30 PM
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I'd guess different women do it for different reasons. And really, if this is a genuine question, why did you write it like this? "nOO i'ts BecaUse It's COmFortable!!" Not really an open-minded approach, that. It's as if you're insulting women while daring someone to defend us. Why? Women don't need to defend their choice of outfit no matter why they chose it. Mind you the gym was FREEZING and most people there were wearing warm clothing. If you exercise with any frequency, you're already aware …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 05:49 AM
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For those that are not, the reason is that fine dining allows a woman to test a man in many different ways. I don't believe the women to whom this matters wouldn't already have a good idea of a man's financial position before agreeing to date him. Or that they would be foolish enough to believe the price of a nice dinner isn't something most people could borrow if they were determined enough. If a man's personality doesn't reflect at least some of the benefits of wealth, that's a hard thing not …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 01:26 AM
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I LOVE BEARDS!!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 08:11 PM
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I think people with less LTR compatible views are just.more likely to have casual sex This exactly. I don't understand why people seem driven to make deep biological imperatives out of basic personal preferences. "Pair-bonding ability" is for herons. Or storks. Maybe the bigger birds, I don't remember which. But human beings are far more complicated and motivated by many things other than evolutionary tendencies.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/24 07:00 PM
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"Any functional member of society in one's age range"? There's all sorts of creepy men in that category who are neither old or homeless. What use is your question if you include those men? Also, men are taught and expected to objectify women. This is a type of attention that many women see as negative. Are you intentionally including this attention too or is it an oversight?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 07:54 AM
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Girls, honestly: if you see two attractive guys in front of you, would you always prefer the taller one? All other attributes being equal, yes. It's common sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/24 01:26 AM
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It's probably best for everyone that you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 08:50 PM
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Cause for men it’s not a choice for us if the woman gets the abortion or not. But if she can't get an abortion, a child will exist that a man has a definite responsibility to. And a decent man would support a woman's right to control her body anyway. If she wants the kid and we don’t, too bad we gotta pay for it. If she doesn’t want the kid and we do, too bad we can’t have the kid. That's how rights work. Your desire for a child doesn't take priority over her right to control her body. You're pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 12:16 PM
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There needs to be much more continuity for this to even become a conversation, let alone a debate. Enjoy your day.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 11:59 AM
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"The reason fat women suffer is because they know they have less value, not because of how other people treat them" This attitude is exactly the reason for the body positive movement in the first place. But it, like anything else the internet/social media sees as a possible money/clout maker, got exaggerated, convoluted, emotionalized while attracting the modern feminist looking for defiance and the average disgruntled male looking for an easy target and a sense of superiority. A perfectly posit…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 11:56 AM
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State wants families, population growth, productive citizens. And...? This goal isn't exclusive to a patriarchal society and it's definitely not the sole province of men who see women as property or a resource to be exploited.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 11:37 PM
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Are you saying women have always wanted to be left alone? No. I'm saying women have always wanted to be wanted, the same as men have. And because it doesn’t affect men. How could that be possible when women don't become pregnant without the help of men? It's true that men aren't held equally responsible, but there is more to being a father than avoiding social accountability. For most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 11:24 PM
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I don’t know what argument you are trying to make. Patriarchy is designed for social order and families. Patriarchy isn't defined by its goals but rather by its assignment of authority and power. As in men. Its goals can be for good things or bad things or a mix. You take away women’s rights, you get a better result of what the state wants for a productive society. This statement has no meaning without a definition of what the state wants, including its definition of a productive society. Wester…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 11:13 PM
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I don't know why they wouldn't have. Please explain your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 08:16 PM
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Throughout most of civilization women have not been given equal rights. Men don’t like the result of what happens when women are free. How does a person form a valid opinion about something that has happened so rarely it's practically non-existent? Women don’t have equal rights in most of the world now. That's true. And...?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 08:13 PM
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Which is fine, and it's kind of ridiculous anyway for women to insist on 50/50 representation at the top of society while being totally fine with males dominating the populations of the homeless and incarcerated. Women have a right to 50/50 representation. When something is a *right*, that means it isn't dependent on the opinions or practices of the holder of that right. Even without that, the reason men dominate that population is because in general they tend to be more aggressive, and dangerou…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 08:01 PM
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Your ideas don't say much for the nature of men. There was a time when the sort of system you're describing had many benefits for women as well and in fact was the difference between survival and extinction. Because women’s true desire don’t match a man’s. I don't know why they would if men's desires were as you describe them. No one willingly gives up their autonomy unless there are no other options. What started out as necessity probably became a matter of not seeing the forest for the trees r…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 07:47 PM
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But it's not a system of rule. It's a social/class system. There is no single patriarch in a patriarchy. We have very little left of the patriarchy from a legal POV but society isn't based on legalities alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 07:25 PM
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What you say here was much more true 60 to 75 years ago than it is now. The fact is that as the ability to vote, earn, own property and control our sexuality/reproduction has increased, the more social power we have amassed and the more ambition we have demonstrated. This say far more about external repression than natural inability. I agree that physical strength and testosterone are truly advantageous in things like competition and gaining and holding onto power. But women aren't absolutely wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 07:01 PM
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I mostly agree but your definition seems to see it as a yes/no sort of thing. We were a patriarchy to a much much larger extent than we are now, but it will be a while longer before it completely vanishes. Assuming it's going to.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 06:43 PM
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That's it? No supportive data or logical argument? And the patriarchy seeks to maximize the odds of the most appealing men and women to reproduce with each other. And, assuming you're interested, what of this idea about the patriarchy wanting to maximize interpreting physical as personal worth for men? Can you offer even one example? This equation is one that's been forced on women for as long as anyone can remember, and to their serious disadvantage. Even now, one of the primary complaints made…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 06:29 PM
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Because men will ALWAYS outcompete women, in aggregate, when it comes to procuring resources. This is true only in a society where procuring resources requires direct physical strength, a thing that our society no longer requires even close to the extent it used to. Good evidence of this is the sociopolitical power enjoyed by those who trade primarily in physical labor vs those who trade in other things. Most of us are already a good distance from being controlled by procreational imperatives.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 06:14 PM
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Men need that from women, women don't need nor want that from (most) men. You're saying that that need/want for others in men applies to women in general where that need/want in women only applies to select men? I don't know if that's true but doesn't the woman's approach seem more logical and reasonable?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 05:48 PM
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There is a world of difference between a good advice that comes with a caveat of "but you can never be certain that something like this will work for you" and a completely useless shit advice that only makes people look and feel good about themselves while being fully aware that the "advice" has 0 to none chance of actually working out. And...?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 05:36 PM
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Explain, please?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 05:34 PM
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They won't do it now, because they actually want to be wanted. Men have always wanted that. Women have always wanted that. Any analysis of the situation not based on that idea will always be in error.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 09:36 AM
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I think people who struggle with anything want a clear recipe That's probably true but most times those solutions don't exist. Particularly when the problem can only be viewed from a subjective POV such as an OP's.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 09:30 AM
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This doesn't make sense. Even if a person is beyond improvement, nobody is more likely to know it than the questioner, and anyone who asks for advice here knows that none of it comes with a guarantee of effectiveness. If they don't know it, that's a maturity problem and a whole other issue by itself. But OP, how could you even know what constitutes hopelessly, irreparably undesirable and/or who suffers from it? Especially in a forum setting like PPD?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 09:22 AM
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I'm glad you said this because my #1 negative feeling with men I'm debating here is "How could you not know this??" Now I know at least 1 real possibility. Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 05:47 AM
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You mean like killing someone because of something their brother did? Or raising a son from a young age to avenge their father? Nope. I meant what I said. It fundamentally warps the understanding of the culture to focus on one cultural practice that is shocking to us to the exclusion of others. I don't think so. Accepting the most egregious of egregious practices wouldn't be mitigated by also accepting even the most benevolent of acts, let alone those that are their own horrors. The fact that th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 07:38 PM
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You mean like killing someone because of something their brother did? Or raising a son from a young age to avenge their father? Nope. I meant what I said. It fundamentally warps the understanding of the culture to focus on one cultural practice that is shocking to us to the exclusion of others. I don't think so. Accepting the most egregious of egregious practices wouldn't be mitigated by also accepting even the most benevolent of acts, let alone those that are their own horrors. The fact that th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 07:38 PM
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That's nuts. Those friends could easily be wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/24 07:14 PM
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...it just seems that often women are expected to be given things and it's called wanting, and men are wanting things and it's called being expected to be given. Examples, please? Anytime there is any discussion of male sexlessness, women immediately junpnin with men not having a right to other people's bodies, as though that is the first and only consideration, and that the problem is therefore not even woeth talking about or even that daring to talk about the topic is a danger to women so the …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 12:19 PM
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So do you think it's justified to treat men as resource objects ? In a modern context ? Okay. Read carefully, please: This first - "But it happens to men, too!" just doesn't work here. What this means is I'm not willing to allow you to hijack my comment to argue about something that, considering our current socioeconomic situation, is almost a practical impossibility. Added to that is even while trying to explain the above to you, you appear to have no real grasp of the terms and phrases you're …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 11:24 AM
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Is this a response to my post?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 10:44 AM
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"Batshit insane"? So you think the best policy is instead to tell odd "guys" (men, women, both?) to reconcile themselves to being alone forever? Who's in charge of doing the hauling?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/24 10:42 AM
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It's hard to see how the murder of an innocent, helpless person that's committed as a personal "right" of the murderer can ever be overpublicized.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 08:32 PM
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...a women simply needs to avoid a high calorie diet. Not likely. It all depends on the body she's given to start with and how easily it's modified. Same as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 08:19 PM
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I thought the percentage of overweight men/overweight women was fairly close? Trashing women who will at least do those things that they can is never going to be much of a flex as long as there's an equal number of men who can't even be bothered to do that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 08:05 PM
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"Strawman"? "Crux"? The whole point of keeping women unable to provide and decide for themselves was the resulting dependence on men. It created a major power imbalance and still does in many parts of the world. Even if exploiting a person for their resources involved objectification, (it doesn't) nobody sensible is going to argue that the side with the overwhelming majority of the power is at risk of being exploited.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 07:53 PM
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I was at a cosplay convention the other week and this phenomenon was on full display - guys who not only seemed socially off but looked greasy as a pan and who's body odor could be smelled from six feet away as if they haven't showered since the last time the WOW servers went down... holding hands with relatively cute women. It's REALLY hard to believe this is common in any social group, but I have seen the odd/normal combo with both men and women being the odd one more than a few times. Try not…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 07:33 PM
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"Wanting" and "expecting to be given" are two very different things, and not giving a man access to her body definitely isn't treating him as less than human. And to offer you some standard RP advice: choose better women. First time hearing about feminists? Oh, you've changed my mind!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 02:47 PM
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No, no, no, no. I'm going to assume you've never given an orgasm other than by PIV as well as suggest your ideas on how women feel about a partner who has just had an explosive orgasm while holding her tight to him are misguided. Pay more attention IRL or talk more to women or your friends or something. You're way wrong about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 09:30 AM
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I mean are people this lost lmao No, it's just that not all men are this uniformly selfish, or women this silly. Men are entirely capable of giving their partners orgasms after their own and many of them don't pretend that they're not lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 11:08 AM
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Fulfillment of sexual needs is a social priority. It's not. MEN's sexual gratification has historically been a social priority, frequently at a cost to women. But at least in the west, it's not a fraction of what it was. Just the fact that the validity of sex work is a controversial topic or even the existence of a forum such as PPD should have awakened you to that much. And you cannot teach people the opposite of what they observe. You can certainly teach people what they observe is wrong. How …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 10:17 AM
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Single moms are shit at raising kids. As opposed to fugitive fathers.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 10:07 AM
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Why would I want to sleep with someone who doesn’t respect my pleasure in a mutually pleasurable activity? It’s not the winning argument you think it is hon. Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 10:03 AM
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The issue with that topic is that it so quickly devolves into what can be done to women to make them want sex with men they wouldn't want naturally which is offensive. If only more of the men who behave this way understood this. Sometimes I think the problem is these men think they're entitled to women's bodies, so not being given access gets interpreted into an attack. They see themselves as righteous and victimized at the same time, so how could they be the problem. Other times I think I'm giv…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 10:01 AM
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My first thought on reading OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 09:55 AM
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Applauds. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 09:53 AM
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Imagine having a limp dicked dude who just emptied his balls pretending he's still in to sex and making you cum. It doesn't work like that man. Delay is one good approach but your take on concern for a partner's sexual enjoyment only ever being a pretense is a bad one. Particularly for any partners you may have. Be less blown away and more willing to consider that you may be wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 09:43 AM
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Exploiting men for resources is no longer a necessity. EXPLOITATION ...2. to take advantage of (a person, situation, etc.), esp unethically or unjustly for one's own ends Familiarize yourself with the term. At least in the case of historical male/female relations, the group being controlled by the situation (women) is the group being exploited. The group creating the situation (men) is the group doing the exploitation.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 09:33 AM
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Her first sentence is a response to whatever he said prior. Just the phrase "reveal such personal details..." says she's not responding solely to the question about her favorite topic. I think the atmosphere after that is connected to her dislike of whatever he said, while he is either clueless or determined not to talk about whatever he said. If a convo doesn't start in neutral it's suspect.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/24 02:23 AM
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Where's the start of the conversation? How to form an opinion without knowing the whole convo?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 09:12 PM
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Yes. Men shouldn't view women as sex objects. And women shouldn't view men as resource objects either. There's really no comparison as far as amount and intensity, and considering the more women are able to finance and operate their own lives the less realistic the comparison becomes, there's something to be said for one situation being of necessity while the other has always been one of exploitation. "But it happens to men, too!" just doesn't work here.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 10:53 AM
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No other job costs a woman what prostitution costs her. And really, if you're that clueless as to the difference, I'm unwilling to put the time and effort to discuss it further.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 10:44 AM
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You tell me. It sounds like a win-win situation. And the more men start accepting that women also enjoy and are entitled to sex for its own sake the happier everyone is bound to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/24 10:41 AM
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Prostitution may be the oldest profession but it's also the oldest form of financial slavery. If there was objective research available that said without a doubt it's in no way harmful to sell women's bodies, I'd think differently, but the idea of encouraging men to further objectify women via retail than we as a society already do makes me shudder. I'd need a mountain of research saying this isn't essentially dehumanization that has even a fraction of a chance of increasing human trafficking as…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/24 03:14 AM
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There you have it. Uncertainty isn't permanent and it can at times be endearing. Your self-identification might be in error.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 04:10 PM
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Thanks. But you're saying that trying to prevent people from promiscuous behavior is a good thing? Why? What's your definition of promiscuity?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 04:02 PM
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If we never shame promiscuous behavior, the only option is to be "The Guy" with infinite options. How does promiscuity fit into it? Men's, women's or both?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 02:56 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 09:54 AM
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The actual rate of men... This number probably differs little from the actual number of quality relationships a woman finds from accepting men who approach. Substitute the numbers of men who simply want to use her body for the numbers of those who don't reply, don't show, etc. And don't forget every man who gets rejected is a man that woman would rather had never approached. So you went through... What rejection? If she gives you her number that isn't rejection. Or, if it is fake, etc., then it'…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 08:52 AM
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No. I am saying "incel grade hostility" and beliefs evidently have nothing to do with attraction. Women have no special intuition into the essence of a man. Considering the difficulty cops have in figuring out who is guilty of what, why would civilian women be any better at intuiting the essence of sociopathic men? Learning how to deceive is part of how these people make their way in life. Otherwise, it doesn't take any sort of special power to feel gender-based hostility when it's actually disp…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 07:41 AM
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Of course they know men are capable of that. They are just surprised it happened to them with the specific man, because they thought they are equals and not just a warm hole. They ARE equals, thanks. And, as I said, few women are "shocked" at being deceived this way. Even "surprised" is usually an overstatement. "Saddened" "angered" and "discouraged" are much more likely feelings. Knowing that you may be deceived doesn't mean you can't be deceived. And a women may approach a 10/10 primarily beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 07:18 AM
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That makes sense but Incel stands for involuntarily celibate so sexual attraction is the issue here.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/24 07:04 AM
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No it doesn’t. Explain where the difference is, bearing in mind that it's only a significant ego-stroke if the man approaching is desirable to the woman being approached, assuming the woman enjoys it at all. Many rejections vs little to no rejections. Also there is no freedom of approaching making it even. Women can do that yet choose not to. That tells you all about that. Of course there is freedom. No one is holding a gun to any man's head to force him to choose or to not choose. Many women do…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 11:58 AM
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And...? Are you saying this is a good thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 11:24 AM
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I Identify as an Incel and I absolutely do not believe I hate women, and I do not act hostile towards them. Also, someone can be in therapy and still dateable. Not all incels are violent/misogynist/ or are looking for a woman to be their therapist. The label just means we lack intimacy. I'll take your word that you do and that your self-awareness is good. I'm thinking though, that your definition of "Incel" is simply "a man women aren't sexually attracted to". So, assuming I'm right so far, are …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 11:11 AM
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There might be ego stroking in approaching, but very little due to how often you will be rejected. At the same time, it's minimally gratifying to be approached by an unattractive man and the perks of never having that happen along with the freedom to choose who, how, where and when to approach pretty much evens things out men vs women in the ego department. I legit see women getting mad and asking men to not call them “females”. That doesn’t hurt women But it does, when women are called "females…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 02:05 AM
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It’s the perception of being unattractive to women…I think it a lot of the is insecure guys who think no one will date them cuz they’re under 6ft or think they’re ugly…and because they don’t approach and women don’t approach them it’s a vicious cycle. Even if just a few women asked them out it would probably break the spell. I don’t see why it would make women unhappy? I’m not saying the burden should be completely flipped and shift to women I’m saying maybe it should be more 50/50. IDK, I alway…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 01:26 AM
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These issues are the result of both men and women being raised with our current dating dynamic. Well, that's pretty much the human condition, isn't it? Being a product of the time you live in? Or are you saying something else? Feminism encourages women to make the first move, but there is no expectation that they do so. And even if they do, they are still expecting the man to take the lead from there. However effective or ineffective you believe it to be, it's still primarily feminism working to…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 01:16 AM
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Being accepted can come from being approached. And women often want men to change for women’s benefit. I don't understand your point. He talks as if there's nothing ego-stroking in the situation for men, only for women. When women want men to change it's generally because men are already asking for a change from women (be more accepting of all men, for example) or the behavior is actually harmful to women. That's not the same thing. I will say that change has come from feminism. I won’t deny tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 12:54 AM
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But it would vastly increase the number of unhappy women. Isn't a basic part of Iceldom being unattractive to women?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 07:06 PM
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And you can't tell me that women don’t prefer this. Yes, it can be sometimes be frustrating for them if they feel unwanted, but women still enjoy being pursued and the way that dating is set up to stroke their ego. If women prefer this, why do you expect them to change for your benefit. Isn't being accepted by a woman a stroke to a man's ego? But why hasn't feminism pushed for women to be pursuers? Isn’t the traditional approach to dating patronizing? Isn’t it empowering for women to make the fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 06:51 PM
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Women basically want all of the positives of high T and then complain about "toxic masculinity" because these are the traits that come with high testosterone. Like women, the majority of men are able to control the negative tendencies caused by hormones while using the positives to their (and other people's) advantage. This is what happens when we grow up.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/24 05:52 PM
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I was going to respond to your other posts but it's clear you're getting very emotional over these debates so I'm just going to abbreviate the debate and just end it here. This makes no sense except as an escape. Assume the high ground, be generous about her "emotionalism" and exit, stage right. It's so silly, why did you bother? We can't agree to disagree if you refuse to even acknowledge what I've actually written. Even your "final" response is filled with things I didn't say and don't believe…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 11:40 AM
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There's not many studies on this perception. I'm only referencing the stats regarding abuse and femicide. So, the comment you made about women being stupid enough to subscribe to the "tranq theory" was just some random abuse to acknowledge your audience? I didn't just make it up. You said it. Again, there are many married men who are amazing and incredible partners but it gets exaggerated because of the halo effect which you yourself believe in. Of course I believe in the halo effect but believi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 01:41 PM
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I stay off his work phone due to legal aspects but I wander through his personal phone at will. As does he mine. We've never discussed it from a permission aspect because it just seemed a common sense thing to do. Without this sort of trust, what's the point of being married?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 07:36 AM
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Most credible databases and census stats reporting on violence and femicide against women have concluded that intimate partners are the most likely to commit violence against women. I could post links if requested. I'd be happy to see a link, but not one about femicide/male violence. I'd like to see stats regarding how many women actually hold this belief that marrying a man will repress his hatred of women. And why it would be a good plan in the first place. I said "figurative speaking" meaning…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 07:23 AM
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If they were women, you'd have a mountain of men saying it was her responsibility to pick a better man.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 01:25 AM
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My guess is that the more time passes and the more established one becomes, the fewer choices one has. And it's a human thing to take the good features of one's life for granted.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 01:22 AM
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I think a lot of women subconsciously view sex and marriage as a figurative tranquilizer for men that will calm down any desperation or bitterness towards women even though most violence and femicide towards women ironically comes from intimate partners more than other groups. Is this based on statistics or what feels "right" to you? I don't think many women are likely to marry someone who is desperate or bitter toward women overall. What I do know is that many many men are unable to accept wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 01:20 AM
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Hey I'm not that old, just from my frame of reference is seemed like the older generation (older than mine) ragged on their wives more than the current one. Neither am I, and yes they did, but I know enough to know that brand of humor has existed for a long long time. As long as men, probably. And since every generation is a bit more enlightened thanks to the previous generation, common sense would say jokes based on the "inferiority" of women would become less and less popular. Before, during a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 12:53 AM
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i am going off by what women post on reddit, not by what i imagine women to be. On Reddit? Where? I have a really hard time believing there's a significant group of women who aren't aware that most men have few objections to using a woman for her body. There are even subs here primarily devoted to that goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 12:44 AM
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it's a joke problem Huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 12:36 AM
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I'm not arguing whether he's right or not. I'm saying when one person betrays the trust of another, particularly on as grand a scale as this man did his wife, then yes, it's natural and reasonable to be angry.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 12:33 AM
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The whole comedy genre for boomers was "I hate my wife, isn't this relatable?" my wife fucking sucks! I don't believe this. Didn't Boomer-time coincide with some fairly strong feminism? And wasn't Henny Youngman (Take my wife. Please.) popular from as early as the 1930s? The Marx Brothers, Oliver & Hardy, etc, etc... Wife jokes were a comedy staple way before even boomer's parents were born. Vaudeville? Are you seriously thinking wife-mocking was something they'd just never thought of? In fact, …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 03:12 PM
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But either way seeing my sisters experience has made the dating imbalance hilariously clear. I think I missed the "hilarious" part. ...a 6'5 doctor who competes in iron men looks somewhat like henry cavil and seems to treat her well, picks her up and takes her out, pays for her meals and drinks apparently This man needs a dating app?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 02:52 PM
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"Women realize they can attract the most desirable men with sex, but are shocked when those men bail after getting sex." Considering being over-sexualized is a problem most women (on the planet) face from puberty on, it's doubtful that this kind of behavior from men would come as any surprise. This sounds like a lot of rationalization to avoid the fact that so many men think they can be the arbiters of what is sexy to women as well as to themselves. It's never going to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 02:48 PM
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This makes sense, but unless the person is at least borderline sociopathic, how long does this type of emotional reaction hold sway? An hour? 10 hours? 24? How fast a person is able to get ahold of themselves again is a good measure of maturity. Past childhood these things automatically get quelled before they can become truly a part of a person's outlook or yike. We'd have a lot more random violence than we do know.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 10:41 AM
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"I'm lonely, in pain, sad and hurting, one day you will feel what I feel." This still doesn't make sense to me unless it's prefaced with "Because of something you've done..." Otherwise it requires the person to completely ignore the fact that wishing harm on the innocent is a crappy thing to do. I think too many of us are raised to believe male sexual gratification should be prioritized. If the sad person believes that, it makes more sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 12:27 AM
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It's not needed Common sense says when no advice is needed, there'd be no advice to give. ?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 11:55 PM
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Why do you want the man to approach you? Because it's a good indication of a man's assertiveness and determination to get what he wants. That's a significant qualification in a man for me. I never liked the idea that ,, you need to be confident and approach or you will die single'' because women don't need to approach or be confident and they still can get hundreds of male who hit on her That's the price that men (and the whole of society, really) pay for centuries of dictating women's sexuality…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 07:50 AM
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But it does. Common sense says when no advice is needed, there'd be no advice to give.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 01:06 AM
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Not gonna do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 12:35 AM
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they cant tell the diffrence between 5'10 and 6'1" Okay. This whole topic is a troll, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 12:13 AM
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You asked for it, remember? This is really silly.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/24 12:09 AM
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You just need to spend a little time on Tinder, Instagram and other apps to understand that everything revolves around objectification as an element of sexual courtship It's certainly an significant element of courtship on dating apps. How could it not be, considering the nature of the process? But for this to be any sort of evidence that women objectify at the same rate as men, there would be as much selection of maternal basement dwellers as of financially successful men. Or those barely liter…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 06:33 AM
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Similar to "if she's old enough to get pregnant, she's old enough to be a parent", right? Yike.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 06:00 AM
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"Act like a man", yes. But it's meant to encourage a man to be brave or assertive or whatever quality is seen to be lacking at the moment. But as I said, irresponsibility, dislike and uncalled for violence has frequently been overlooked in the behavior of a man. That's a long way from pressuring him to actually do these things.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 05:48 AM
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I think your definition of gender roles is too limited but even with that, the attributes you described are personality defects. (misogyny, anger issues, abandoning women after sex, promiscuous, violent towards her, unwilling to help with household chores or childcare, etc). Nobody has ever pressured men to act those ways, nor are they the only ways to deal with natural proclivities such as aggression and I don't think irresponsibility is natural to either gender. But I do think gender tendencie…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 02:39 AM
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I don't think a man in this situation would need advice. Is this an imaginary situation?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 12:45 AM
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Can you explain the difference between a gender role and a personality defect?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 12:37 AM
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Soft disagree here. Sure there’s variation by and large in the traits each sex is attracted to. But those traits are fairly universal and has been shaped by sexual selection and evolution. That's true, but my point in mentioning variety was to say we do have enough to keep the species from the kind of genetic problems that come with too few characteristics to choose from. Women and men are both extremely shallow and superficial, and are by and large attracted to similar physical characteristics.…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/24 12:14 AM
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(misogyny, anger issues, abandoning women after sex, promiscuous, violent towards her, unwilling to help with household chores or childcare, etc). These aren't gender role behaviors. These are behaviors that have historically been overlooked in one gender (male) while being considered heinous in the other (female) gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 11:56 PM
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And the only way it’s voluntary is if he’s tall, dominant, masculine, charismatic and hot. Evolutionary biology and sexual selection has shaped all our attraction triggers. I think there's a lot of exaggeration in this, but just for the sake of argument, are you saying this is a bad thing? If so, why? Isn't it best for humanity for everyone to be attracted to the strongest, smartest and healthiest? You missed "smartest" in your description and "hot" can still vary from one woman to the next.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 11:47 PM
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Why are you asking so many questions though? This shouldn't be that hard to understand I'm as interested as u/mrs_seng . While I doubt there are more generally unpleasant women than men, it's pretty rare to hear of a man actually "putting a woman in her place" that isn't really just spite or childishness or, as so many in this thread have offered, simply walking away. I know how my husband would respond were I to be "intolerable" but he's definitely not "most men".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 11:39 PM
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This makes all kinds of sense to me and it's the nature of my relationship with my husband. The part that truly validates it is that it's voluntary. If it's not voluntary, it's a nightmare.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 11:19 PM
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Denying actual physical differences where strength could mean life or death is an example of the emotionalism and spite at the base of most of RP and manosphere thinking. But unfortunately, and as good an idea as it is, I doubt that this is much more than a gesture and party politics as usual.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 10:53 PM
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Your fairy-tale notion that women’s sexual pickiness is some kind of liberation from historical oppression is naive and ignores reality. But that's exactly what happened - a change in the balance of power. Simply not liking the change or believing the results are not yours or anyone else's best interest doesn't mean women weren't liberated from the oppression of not being able to choose. And really, if it isn't reality, why are you so unhappy about it? It did happen. What a joke! You're cherry-p…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 06:56 PM
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Revenge fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 04:10 AM
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in bad faith whether intentional or not. That made me actually lol. :) Yeah, okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 04:08 AM
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Fantasyland thinking. You say that women's independence will magically increase everyone's sexual satisfaction and make men more realistic? That’s a fairy tale. As women gain economic power and autonomy, they’re becoming pickier about their partners. This means more men are left in the dust, unable to find someone. Why not? Just calling it "Fantasyland" isn't good enough. Explain why don't you believe that women's sexuality is very much controlled and dictated by societal pressure and has been t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/24 04:05 AM
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As women become more free to decide sexually and be economically independent, the greater the number of men who will not be able to access the sexual market; and it is a really biological argument. Not necessarily. The more power women have in terms of independence, the less they'll feel compelled by societal ideas of sexual repression, shame and utility. And the less men will expect to have sexual access to women while at the same time demanding chastity from us. This will serve to increase bot…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 06:50 PM
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It’s not about what I expect people to think at all. People can think what they like. That's not what you said. You said thinking baldness was ugly was a stereotype that men ought to be able to liberate themselves from. That means changing people's thinking. The point is male pattern baldness is a principally male character, and it is deemed to be unattractive to many (for whatever reason) and it was offered as a riposte to the idea that “men suffer no disadvantages as a result of their gender”.…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 08:42 AM
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Do you have the same attitude towards feminists? Women have historically BEEN victimized and generally speaking, still are. So it's basically apples and oranges on that point. Having said that though, I'm very much less-than-impressed with RadFem ideology and I think men, particularly white men, are getting far more flack than is warranted from what so many now consider liberals.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 08:00 AM
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Baldness being conflated with ugliness or lack of care in a majority of cases (not unique to men but baldness disproportionately affects men even when no health conditions are in play). Who thinks this? Some forms of baldness ARE unattractive, what do you expect people to think? Others are and are recognized as not just attractive but sexy too - pronounced widow's peaks, shaved and partly shaved heads for example. How many people honestly believe it's a lack of care? What is the likelihood that …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 07:45 AM
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The only time I see men collectively advocate against something is if it's sexual, like OnlyFans. It's true. Maybe because the owners of those accounts are women? It seems so strange to me because I don't see this sort of push from men against other fields of sex work.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 07:32 AM
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Do you think men need a stronger sense of collective male identity to collectively advocate for male interests, especially as a counterweight to female interests? To advocate for male interests - yes. This will reduce a lot of resentment from those who believe those who advocate for women are obligated to do the same for men. Not as a counterweight. Men need to concern themselves with supporting their own rights and what they need rather than focusing on taking away from what women have and have…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 07:24 AM
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You assume that just because men are stronger, that men systematically exploited women. Exactly. Not even the ability to bear children is much of a threat to someone who can at minimum deny you food and shelter and at worst break your bones, take your children or take your life. Safe and guarded doesn't necessarily exclude exploitation. If you don't believe me, consider how many cultures exist right now that embrace all 3 of these features. Or for that matter, how many organized religions. It wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/24 04:39 AM
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You make it sound like men had many options to begin with. They had no fewer than women and the added benefit of physical superiority. During the pre-industrial times, the vast majority of men had 3 options. Farming, warrior, and trades. And most were conscripted when war broke out while women were not. Men did this because it was necessary for survival as well. You could make an argument that their job was more dangerous and labor intensive. Were they "forced" to do it? They did it because they…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 10:47 PM
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Whatever the percentage, it would probably be around twice as many men as women. Men are taught and encouraged to objectify women, allowing for far fewer qualifications in a partner, while women are still greatly affected by society's admonitions around sex purely for its own sake. As women gain more power in society, this difference will lessen nearly to equality although women will always have the vulnerabilities inherent to sexual intimacy to consider.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 06:41 PM
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Force and violence likely played a big role in the history between men and women. It's still in practice in many areas today. Whether it be right or wrong, women generally WANTED to be married. ... For women it was necessary for survival unless they were in a nunnery or a brothel. The type of willingness that comes from actual desire isn't the same as the type that happens because it's the only option allowed.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 06:13 PM
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Men have historically been the producers of resources, and hence had a vested interest in passing on their resources to THEIR offspring. Hence their preference for chastity. You say this as if men were the only producers of resources. They weren't. Crops, food, clothing, child care can all be considered resources and their production was as much women's work as it was men's, if not more. And I have trouble believing that the preference for chastity had anything to do with either resource product…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/24 01:27 AM
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For me to make the first move, I would have to be interested in a man who wasn't particularly interested in gender roles. That's why I've never made the first move.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 06:50 PM
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There's all kinds of difference between the unhappiness that comes during transient negative situation and being continually unhappy, hostile, unrealistic, etc. Particularly in western countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 06:41 PM
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These preferences prevail even when the couple doesnt want children, because the whole reason men and women are attracted to each other is because of a long evolutionary biology favoring reproduction. I don't think any of this has as much to do with evolution as it does with "might makes right." In any mixed group, men have historically been in power, giving or withholding necessities for survival in trade for compliance with whatever rules they chose to make. Not all rules were always damaging …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 09:53 AM
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Definitely not. It's only bad when it's practiced to the point of being unable to recognize others as whole people.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/24 08:48 AM
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I've offered no proof of any of the points I've made. I don't think such proof exists. I posted a critique of OP's take on the subject. It's opinion and doesn't require proof.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 10:34 PM
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You are framing it, like a woman's body is the ONLY thing the majority of men want, and this is straight up wrong and far away from reality. Being able to consider physical attributes only doesn't mean they're incapable of appreciating other positive qualities. But it does require the ability to objectify heavily to be able to be satisfied with only physical attributes. You have a distorted view of men, because you are only seeing the patterns of the small pool of men, who have all the options. …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 10:21 PM
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I responded to both your points, though I didn't try to debate your ad hom stuff. I don't see why I'd be obligated to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 09:57 PM
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Wanting to fuck someone because of their looks is not objectification. Men’s threshold for looks may be lower, but they’re still attracted to looks, and looks are a part of you. There’s nothing inherently wrong with casual sex. Wanting to fuck someone because of their looks is a textbook example of objectification. I don't believe there's anything wrong with casual sex. If you're assuming I do, you're wrong. Wanting to be in a relationship with someone because they earn a lot of money is, howeve…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 09:54 PM
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I wonder if it's an inheritable genetic trait to have a reaction to body count? Cope? Envy/jealousy of experiences or feelings of inadequacy/performance anxiety? Any or all of these but they're not genetic. It's partially poor upbringing but it also has a lot to do with what we teach and expect of men in general. Objectification of women, seeing their own sexual gratification as priority and exercising only the most basic self-discipline around their own arousal. Good evidence that is stuff isn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 09:35 PM
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This is a detailed, understandable description that may be true for a lot of men but still can be summed up by: A stubborn refusal to stop objectifying women, even those you love the most. A resentment of her ability to do the same things you have, or would have had you the opportunity. A lack of maturity that ordinarily brings with it an ability to be objective yourself, your circumstances and other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 09:24 PM
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It doesn't really matter If women label a top 10% guy a 7 while men label a top 10% guy a 10. But shouldn't it be vice versa? It doesn't matter what rating men give other men as far as how much they do or don't appeal to women because the goal isn't going out with other men. I might be missing something though?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 12:37 PM
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You can tell someone’s bitter (or just ignorant) by them throwing with ridiculous accusations. If most men were looking for just “bodies to use” we wouldn’t raise children and instead use that money to get as much out of hookers (bodies) as we possibly can. Obviously, this isn’t the case and only your “wild” opinion. What can you tell about the emotional state of someone who opens a rebuttal with ad hom rather that debating the subject? See, the body (attractiveness/sex) is like an engine of a c…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 11:43 AM
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Right. Because 90% of the men RL/PPD would willingly have sex with any woman who is less than obese, clean, conscious and willing. That's a practical definition of looking for a body to use.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 11:28 AM
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How would you define objectification?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 11:20 AM
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Tell me that 90% of the men on this sub won't say that most men will fuck any woman who is less than obese, clean, conscious and willing. Anyway, debate the points I made rather than whining and ad hom about it. Say something sensible rather than wasting time.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 02:26 AM
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"Probably"? As in you'd like to argue that they don't except your not really sure if it's true? "inb4"? What does this even mean? Whoever says it first isn't in charge of whether the other person can deny it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 02:18 AM
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It's REALLY frustrating.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 11:56 PM
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It's better to be alone than with someone you don't admire.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 11:54 PM
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Height, money, looks and status= “an entire person” Are you saying none of these things are indications of a decent part of a person? Are you saying that these are the only things women consider to be indications of a decent person? Are you saying that sexual attractiveness isn't part of a whole person? Do you look for the opposite of these qualifications when considering women to date?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 11:52 PM
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You're arguing that men objectify women less than vice versa?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 11:45 PM
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If a man's level of attractiveness isn't determined by women then what does it matter? Other men might rate him 10 out of 10 but if women see him as a 7, then for all intents and purposes, he is a 7. Why expect women to commit or fuck down? Why put out the effort just for the opportunity to settle?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 11:28 PM
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Dating as a man is nothing like dating as a woman. What women see as average isn't the same as what men do. The majority of men are looking primarily for a body to use while the majority of women, not nearly as trained to objectify, are looking for an entire person. Hence the difference. I doubt that anyone paying attention thinks the two experiences should be equivalent.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 11:15 PM
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Let's see... hostility, insults, name calling, unwillingness to back up statements, unwilling to answer any questions asked... I'm done. Enjoy your day.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 11:04 PM
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Because humans are still humans regardless of external influences.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 11:00 PM
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The so called Dark Triad people have one thing going for them which is very attractive to women. And that’s the fact that they put themselves first. They are inherently selfish and only looking out for number one. This has never been attractive to me. I know a jerk when I see one and I will avoid them. It can take a bit to recognize the behavior for what it is but once it happens, I don't know any women that appeals to. Nice guys have had their selfishness bred out of them or at least conditione…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 08:19 PM
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This stuff is so helpful. Thanks for posting it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 08:07 PM
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“The SHEEP are restless today. They can sense a hunter amongst them. I stalk them while they bleat helplessly, never realizing DARK TRIAD will have no MERCY…” :D That made me LOL.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 08:02 PM
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You're right. If I had to guess I'd say there's only a 50/50 chance that anything that's posted to PPD is made in good faith. That's pretty bad. I think there are many who respond primarily as a means of venting rather than communicating anything useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 07:41 PM
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And those beliefs primarily arise via external feedback. Yeah they do. What difference does it make? They're still inaccurate and they still cause problems. Yeah bro humans have all these faulty mental perceptions which is why mental illness is pretty much absent in hunter gatherers but an epidemic in civilized societies. Can you show me something that says this? Are you aware that talk therapy is effective for emotional issues while mental illness is a biological condition? I've discovered that…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 07:27 PM
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You are assuming the beliefs are inaccurate with reference only to the fact that the beliefs are negative as evidence. Huh? I'm assuming inaccurate beliefs are the cause of inaccurate perceptions and poor decision making. Are you arguing the opposite? And no it isn't Of course it is. Fallibility is inevitable in humans. Mental illness is absent in hunter gatherer societies. Do you have anything to back that up? No schizophrenia, no depression, no bpd or psychosis? Additionally, talk therapy is u…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 07:21 PM
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It's a common sense thing. It isn't natural to be continually unhappy, hostile, unrealistic, etc. Same as when a person doesn't feel good physically, it's because something is working right in their body.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 07:09 PM
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Oh. Okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 03:57 PM
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Men need it too. And your statement is a good example of what I'm talking about - the tendency to fault someone else even to extremes rather than admit they may need more than others can provide. And that, in turn, wastes a person's energy. Which means they walk around with a low-level anger which makes a person emotionally reactionary and logically inaccurate. Fix those things and the person can find their actual solutions themselves, men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 03:55 PM
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If the person is human, yes, I am. Humans have all sorts of inaccurate ideas, particularly those that are formed early in life when experience is limited and there's very little to compare with.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 03:39 PM
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Every person's outlook, not to mention decision-making, is based on their beliefs about themselves and others and life in general. It's part of being human to hold some faulty beliefs. Discovering and correcting those beliefs is what therapy is for.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 09:59 AM
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This assumes that talk therapy has any bearing on one getting better results from this society. But one would in fact be guaranteed to get better results from society once their evaluations and decision-making was based on more accurate beliefs about themselves and those around them and life in general. It's just the human condition to hold *some* inaccurate beliefs, yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 09:55 AM
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As for the chicken or the egg question, does reality cause perspective or does perspective cause reality? Yes! Plus, if you learned the wrong ideas growing up, and that's whether they were taught to you or you simply made an assumption, unless someone helps you realize that idea is incorrect, you might go the rest of your life making decisions on bad information. And you'll never understand why things don't work out.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 09:45 AM
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Because there's no way someone looking at a situation from the outside might see it more clearly than the one who's right in the middle of it, anger, misapprehensions, confusion caused by the limits of experience and all? Nope. I do think, though, that women DO get more from therapy and it's exactly because of our egos. Because our nature is to cooperate and we aren't so dead set against being told what to do. We don't see this as the major disaster that men tend to see it as. Men are more "No o…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 09:40 AM
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Re: the previous comment about the dismal writing and embarrassing portrayal of BDSM in 50 Shades. Worst writing I’ve ever seen in my life. The second-hand embarrassment I feel for the words the author uses to describe sec acts is sickening. A thirteen year old boy could write better pornography. :D I tried SO HARD to read that crappy book. I could not.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 07:49 PM
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Yep.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 06:53 PM
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What you'd posted sounded like you were blaming the women who had angered them for being the root of the entire situation, but if that's not what you meant, I agree and your description otherwise sounds accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 06:56 PM
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You say this as if these men were just hapless victims. As if this crappy response to hurt feelings was self-defense as well as their only option.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 04:43 AM
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No thanks. Nothing defends bigotry, no matter how pc the choice of target.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 04:30 AM
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The Greatest Generation came of age during the Depression and had parents who were raised in the labor movements and social upheaval of the 1910s-1930s. When I read about this era it's sometimes staggering to think about the personal strength and mindset they must have had in order to survive. Realistically each generation had their own traumas and anxieties to work through and instilled their own variety of issues on their kids. Their approaches look different from ours and aren’t always direct…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 04:28 AM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 12:15 AM
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That makes no difference. Unless you're describing "Poisonous Dictatorship", which doesn't really qualify as leadership.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 09:14 PM
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You’re making it really really hard not to say ok boomer Replace "Boomer" with Asian, Black, White, Arab, Chinese, Male, Female. Still good? I'm not a Boomer, I'm just not ageist.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 09:03 PM
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Well there are definitely people who believe her content is genuine and comment things like “perfect mother ❤️” and I have to assume they’re not very technologically literate lol That's a frightening thought! But still, why should tech literacy matter much? All that's needed for Nara's act is a working pc. Though basically, my point was to try to get you to stop trashing boomers without some good reason. I know a lot of kind, smart, loving boomers as well as a lot of walking horrors of ALL ages.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 07:26 PM
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It's filtering people with red flags, deceivers included. Good. We agree. But how does it enter into the argument for/against deceiving women in order to gain sexual intimacy, and if successful, seeing one's self as having the moral high ground? LMFAO. Are you Gen Z? RP did not invent "game." ... It doesn't have to involve deceptive. I'm sure I didn't say that they did. And it doesn't have to but in RP's case it definitely involves deception. LMFAO. One, RP is more of an acceptance of a belief r…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 07:08 PM
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As younger women see a big glut of old cat women, presumably, that will be a warning to lower their standards and things will find a new equilibrium. You're assuming "old cat women" will be miserable and "old women who settled" will be filled with joy? Don't be foolish. Women who don't marry but still live a full, happy life aren't as scarce as those who basically think women can only be happy as accessories to other lives would have us believe. And realistically, this is still a relatively new …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 06:39 PM
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But who's going to follow a leader who doesn't take his followers needs into consideration? At least for very long?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 06:31 PM
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Remember, woman is woman's biggest enemy. Nope. Women believing anyone who says this is true is woman's biggest enemy. Realizing what a crock of BS this is was the first step toward understanding our own worth making our own way in the world. At least in the western world, and others have and will follow.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 05:57 PM
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What do Boomers have to do with it? Only silly people would like that woman and those are available in every generation.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 05:46 PM
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"Probably attractive". See? Either you don't understand what he's saying or you refuse to understand. For every ugly/poor/short man, there are women of equal circumstance who are dying to meet the sort of man he's talking about. And note, he doesn't mention physical attraction. But "That guy is..."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 05:30 PM
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Huh? I know just from reading this sub that there are a whole lot of men who don't grasp what u/TRTGymBro1 posted here from their continual whining and anger and expectations that women pair up with men who don't appeal to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 08:18 AM
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Not at all. But I believe without daddy government taking care of women via social programs, women would more freely exchange sex in exchange for protection and provisioning from a man. You're serious?? You're suggesting that exploiting women's poverty to gain access to their bodies is a good thing? Like the days when women couldn't vote, work, own property, get an education...? The "benefits in return" are being part of a society, enjoying the advancements, security, prosperity, etc. The respon…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 05:34 AM
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100%. I don't know why this is so difficult for so many men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/24 05:02 AM
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Do you think the average person considering therapy even feels this sort of responsibility, or feeling this responsibility, doesn't think the best course would be to consult a professional? How else better to unlearn any significant moral belief than to start with finding out exactly where that belief came from and what all it entails? Enter the therapist.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 11:24 PM
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Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. At least you're not trying to call it something it isn't. But I don't think it's the boast you seem to think it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 11:16 PM
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Do you think a male pornstars just automatically respects every woman he fucks? Only if she's a really good actress. What are you even talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 11:10 PM
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Rage in men is seldom recognized as a tantrum but it ought to be. In fairness I suppose there'd be a lot going on with anyone who's managed to survive as long as your grandpa. I don't envy you your situation either, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 11:04 PM
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No, we're not close to talking about vetting, or shaming a person for not having done so. Vetting doesn't involve going out of one's way to deceive to get something from a person they wouldn't otherwise give them. In fact, one of RP's main goals is to get around any suspicions a woman might have or attempts at vetting a woman might make. RP men call this "game." Life isn't a game. I agree but this is an odd assertion coming from someone defending the practices of RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 10:55 PM
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Represing their emotions doesn't mean they were tougher mentally. I mean, boomers aren't exactly the image of good mental health and are actually the reason why so many millennials and gen Zs are now in therapy. I think the generation before them were the stoics. Boomers were the start of therapy and owning one's feelings, etc., etc. Men not needing to be so masculine, etc. Long hair and women's liberation.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 07:43 PM
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Or not having enough input from others. The way a hermit's thinking becomes in time.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 07:38 PM
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Because therapy is a lot cheaper and easier than admitting that we have created a world that makes people miserable and attempt to dismantle that world. Those ideas aren't mutually exclusive. Why would it be hard to admit?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 07:36 PM
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I feel like this generation is much worse off than managing their emotions than previous generations, and they just aren't as rough and tough mentally as prior generations. Isn't this a good reason for therapy? What other solution would there be? Anyway, I thought the 1960s - 70s were the therapy era?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 07:34 PM
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Whose rationalization?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 07:30 PM
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RP is basically the tactics and shit of the modern woman adopted by men. Right. Because men have always been taught to repress and ignore their sexuality while women are encouraged and expected to make theirs a priority. Every tactic I have used to get laid or keep a woman around or what have you, was taught to me by women via romantic experiences with women. Don't complain to me about me adopting your tactics. Learning what women like and what wins their trust and then pretending to offer these…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 07:25 PM
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You're serious? As if intentionally deceiving and lying to a person and then considering them to be less because they were fooled is a respectable thing??
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 07:16 PM
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Most guys don't ignore this. Most guys, probably not. But I'm not talking about most guys. I'm talking about the type of man who likes to focus his hostility and blame as if women are the only factor in the equation. As if there isn't a negligent father in the mix. If this were the case for the sort of man I'm talking about then it would be fair to expect at least a percentage of the amount of hostility and gloating directed toward single fatherhood as we do over single mothers. We don't, though…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 07:03 PM
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RP dudes do not care if you’re a slut or whatever. You giving up the pussy has no negative barring on his opinion of you. Sex was the goal. Having negative ideas about women who are sexually active and being willing to have sex with them aren't mutually exclusive ideas. Shitting on the women who give it up is not conducive to getting laid. Hence the continued need for deception and manipulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 06:47 PM
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This is exactly RP and what's wrong with it. Everything geared toward deception and manipulating a woman into sex that they then judge her to be less for having done it. Not only crazy but vicious too.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 06:18 PM
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But it does take that additional thing, doesn't it? And the person that thing is attached to, right? The point being that there is a particular take (usually male) on the situation of single motherhood that prefers to ignore that a man had a part in creating it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 05:57 PM
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your disgusting hypergamy child... Yike.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 10:43 AM
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they had to open their legs and get pregnant This is not how a woman gets pregnant and never has been, but it's a favorite POV of a lot of men who believe women's sexuality belongs to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 06:23 AM
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It would depend on how tall, how short and how misshapen. You still haven't explained why it's weird or not a part of physical appeal.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 10:23 AM
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Nose shapes and height don't contribute to physical appeal? Why not? What is weird about either?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 06:16 AM
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Good post! Thanks for it :)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 06:08 AM
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From what you've posted so far, I don't think you're likely to talk to the type of woman who isn't embarrassed or take them very seriously if you did. And really, you're way wrong about how other women look at me. I'm in an extremely traditional marriage but I didn't spend my earlier years cloistered and repressed, either. We have good friends in all sorts of relationships and those are the women and men whose opinions we value. Different times, different people. Go figure.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 06:03 AM
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And as for old people, this is the world they built for the younger generations. Our current older generations are the first generations to leave the world in a worse place than what they found it in, resorting to complaining about the younger generations over issues they have caused. What did they expect to happen when they do not think about the real traditional people and prioritising investors to inflate housing prices instead of selling to couples needing a house to start their traditional …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 05:51 AM
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So how come everyone can admit there's a problem with western women except the women themselves? How can they not feel embarrassed that they are not as respected as other women are. The problem is with your assumption that everyone shares your belief that virginity is the main requirement for a "good woman." That's true for part of the population but for the western world, not the majority. And you're forgetting that women's willingness to be valued like farm animals was never a matter of want a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 05:28 AM
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Along with protecting and providing for their child, helping them reach their best as people is part of the job of being a good parent. Physical appeal is an undeniable part of being human. I don't know how anyone could not understand this.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 05:02 AM
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Oop. You're suspended. :p
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 11:24 AM
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Haha. How is she supposed to even know his perspective? He's too busy acting out. And the next one isn't going to be able to read his mind or put up with his childishness, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 11:23 AM
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Nope. Either they learn their partner is a child and a manipulator or they simply realize he makes them feel bad and to get away. No one can read minds, particularly when the person is acting in a way they should have outgrown long ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 12:44 PM
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Adding manipulation to the spite is even less helpful.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 09:28 AM
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No, that's not the best way and it's a given. That's the best way to create anger and confusion and to destroy trust. Those aren't good things. That's why when we turn into grownups we stop doing that. We use our intelligence rather than acting out.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 09:25 AM
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A lot of women have objections to having a man use her body for sexual gratification. It's a completely natural reaction. Why try to make it into some transactional underhandedness? Particularly since so many men are the first to cry out if a woman uses her sexuality for her own enjoyment rather than suppressing it for a man's benefit.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 01:39 AM
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Indeed! :)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 03:59 AM
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It's not possible to kill someone who doesn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 03:11 AM
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So, what she wants is insignificant if you already have an explanation you prefer, AKA handy internet buzz words.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 02:52 AM
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Okay. I did not know that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 02:49 AM
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It's true. And the idea that the longer the wait, the more likely the community standards are against a woman enjoying her sexuality for its own sake isn't coincidental. I think it would help a lot of men to take this point into consideration.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 04:58 PM
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Are you sure that what you see as "strings and hoops" aren't simply the things she IS interested in doing with the man? Maybe it's your thinking that everything must be a prerequisite to sex isn't the only POV?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 04:55 PM
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Sorry. I can't figure out what you're asking.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 04:47 PM
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Instead, the insecurity related to penis size is formed and amplified due to the expectations imposed by women. Take this concept and apply it to every square inch of the body and that's what women deal with on a daily basis from society in general, majorly from men. And yes, this sort of objectification can cause insecurities in anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 04:46 PM
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Better than...?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 04:00 PM
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Right. Because gestation makes no difference at all. From conception to newborn overnight. Give credit where it's due, please. Women make babies.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 03:53 PM
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It is never constructive to suppress emotions. No one said it is. But neither is it constructive to act out on your emotions, a completely different thing than RECOGNIZING your feelings. Learning better, constructive actions is part of being a grownup. It almost always is. Trying to understand with empathy and compassion is nearly always the better move. Nope. If you want to be a man, you must act like a man. No whining, no tantrums, no "But it hurt my feelings!!" If you haven't matured since ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 03:50 PM
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That's not bragging. That's answering the question. And who said "in every way"? Other than you, I mean? Don't make stuff up.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 03:22 PM
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It's possible to love someone even though your own needs aren't part of the relationship. This goes from possible to likely when you are raised to believe that's the way it ought to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 11:31 AM
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I want a man taller, wealthier, at least as attractive, at least as intelligent and definitely all-around more experienced than I am. I don't need to justify this or deserve it. It's what I want(ed). And what I got.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/24 10:50 AM
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Most feminists scoff at the idea that both men and women experience disadvantages and advantages of similar magnitudes in this manner, they instead dogmatically believe that their gender is disadvantaged and they don't care about empirical proof for or against it, they will believe it anyway. I don't think there is proof that men have suffered equally from a historical POV but I do agree than it has become more common recently and there is statistical proof of this. OTOH, I think you're consider…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 08:53 PM
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By that logic, nature also wants us to chew with our mouths open.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 08:38 PM
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The attraction to younger women had less to do with any desire for children than it has to do with men being taught and expected to see women as bodies rather than entire people.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 08:33 PM
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Honestly its not convenient at all... Of course it is. If others are so limited as to be unable to even know what they believe, then certainly any idea they might have is obviously not worthy of your consideration. As in, your own ideas can never be challenged and you have nothing to worry about ideologically speaking. In fact, the whole belief that western women are disadvantaged is build on the sexist belief that women have less agency and need extra protection. Once you believe this, you're n…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 08:17 PM
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The problem of one's partner disrespecting them cannot be solved by refusing to acknowledge the disrespect, and the spite is a natural and necessary emotional reaction to acknowledging the disrespect. There are constructive ways of acknowledging the problem, whether it's actually disrespect or it just feels that way. There are also constructive ways of dealing with anger and hurt feelings. Blaming someone for having an emotional reaction is stupid. Blaming someone for acting based on their emoti…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 08:12 PM
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Nope. If something's wrong, choose an action likely to fix the problem, not something that might make you feel powerful in the moment but actually work to make the problem even bigger. Spite is something children do. "Oh! You've hurt my feelings so now I will hurt yours!" That's just stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 07:01 PM
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I asked a couple of them, and they told me, "I felt weak in my knees in front of him." Outside of romance novels, I didn't think anyone talked this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 06:45 PM
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Haha. A man isn't responsible to make mature choices himself?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 06:41 PM
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Most of them don't actually hold that belief, they just think they do... How convenient for you, yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 06:39 PM
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100%. More in conservative thinking but definitely present everywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 06:37 PM
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Society has been telling them about being sexy their whole lives but..... they don't really care (for a variety of reasons) One of the main reasons would be that while telling us to be sexy, society rarely tells us to enjoy our own sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 11:28 AM
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Spite doesn't usually draw two people closer.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 11:20 AM
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If it's his idea at that moment I don't see who else's responsibility it could be. It's also his responsibility to accept that he cannot always change her mind if she isn't interested. Assuming her man is supportive and willing to adapt (within reason...if she says "I never want to have sex again, can you support that" it ain't flying) what can a woman do to foster desire? Is it always the man's job to "generate" the desire? This isn't the same situation. The former having a sexual relationship …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 11:08 AM
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Reproductive rights have had a very large effect on sexual availability.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 10:59 AM
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It makes as much sense to consider modern radical feminism as representing the majority of feminists and feminist ideology as it would to consider the incel population as representative of men in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 10:58 AM
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There are no babies without gestation. The decision to gestate or not to gestate belongs to the one doing the gestating. Deciding not to create a baby is not killing a baby. It's not possible to kill someone who doesn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 10:55 AM
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Are you talking about 2 different types of attraction? As in physical attraction for men and physical + intellectual attraction for women?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/24 10:46 AM
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It is, because men are normally the ones doing the pursuing. And they won't normally pursue for a relationship unless a certain level of attraction is already present. Women are the ones normally being pursued, so sometimes they agree to go on a date with a guy who they have mid initial attraction to if they think he's sincere and has potential. But this is the same thing. A man won't pursue for an LTR unless there's some level of attraction, and women will accept for an LTR if there's a mid lev…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 03:41 PM
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I think it's fair to say they there are men women make jump through hoops to "prove" themselves worthy of a relationship. While there are guys who can get it easily because of the very high attraction. What type of attraction for what type of relationship? Serious, long term, short term, FWB, casual sex...? But no matter what type, doesn't it just seem like common sense? Is it any different vice versa?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/24 12:44 PM
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Based on my observations, most guys here will simply never have relationships and will instead become shy and timid men who are better off being single or converting their sexual orientation to actually attract and maintain a relationship. They’re just too self-conscious and feminine that women will be repulsed by them. I'd guess most men here suffer from one or more negative personality traits as far as finding a mate is concerned but I think the major and most common issue for them would be an…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 06:08 AM
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Women should disqualify men who mock/belittle other men in an attempt to impress her or make her laugh I would agree and expand this to include mocking anyone else to impress or entertain.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 11:23 AM
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But it strikes me that, again, to prove my point, you are working off the unstated assumption (like many men do) that it is actually natural for women to find men of roughly the same SMV rank attractive... What is the evidence of women's self-estimations or interests being off rather than men's? Vice versa seems more logical considering a) the amount of social manipulation required to make women accept sexual double standards and b) the effect the situation had to have had on men's ability to ob…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/24 12:23 AM
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A lot of this comes down to classical masculinity not really being tenable anymore and the tendency of alienated men to think the answer to their woes is to pursue a masculinity they don’t fit into. New (to me) stuff to think about in your post, thanks. Explain "a masculinity they don't fit into", please?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 11:49 PM
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A lot of women feel that either nothing has meaningfully changed in terms of female sexual selectivity, or if it has, it is just the manifestation of innate, primarily biologically determined female standards that were always there, but men suppressed for their own benefit. Some combine this with the belief that today's men are objectively less attractive than normal in various ways. Thus when a guy says women should lower their standards to increase the pairing rates, or pair with men of roughl…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 11:30 PM
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But saying women's standards are too high, unrealistic, should be ignored or are the result of invalid social media or assorted personality deficits is in fact the same as saying women's standards are invalid. Women here do see a problem, it just isn't their standards. Rather, they see it as one of men being unwilling to see their own level of sexual attractiveness objectively, and/or put the necessary effort into improving it. I haven't read much on the effects of porn on selectivity, but I'd g…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 11:27 PM
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Of course there is more to a woman that looks, but physical attraction is important for a healthy LTR. I agree, but we're discussing a single sexual encounter.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 07:25 PM
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Suddenly it's 'just how women are made' and so men are asking women to fuck men that women find repulsive on an innate, biological level. But most men here have never asked that, nor do they want that. I agree with everything else here but isn't saying a woman's standards for attraction aren't valid the same as asking women to ignore those standards and select unappealing men?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 07:39 AM
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It’s def not true most men are attracted to lost women, that’s an exaggeration, especially because so many women are fat nowadays. So many PEOPLE are fat nowadays. Therefore, why would weight be an issue? However the proportion of women men are attracted t is FARRR HIGHER than the proportion of men women are attracted to. This is a direct result of sexual double standards, something that's historically been supported by both sexes but more recently, majorly supported by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 07:24 AM
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And...? Even a woman who DOES spend over an hour a day on makeup still is more than just her looks. Why do you say she isn't?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 06:10 AM
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When the benefit is so enormous it’s absurd to even talk about exploiting being the net possibility. The "net" possibility? What does that even mean? And saying it's absurd to even talk about something is no proof that that thing doesn't exist. ​ I will illustrate. Imagine Elon Musk explaining how much he’s had to give up by leaving South Africa, and how he’s sacrificed a lot to be in America. Ridiculous right ? Even if he has lost out on a few things he’s gained so enormously you can’t ignore t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 06:01 AM
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This has nothing to do with the people themselves. When the majority of the population has the exact same problem, it's not a personal problem, it's a societal/economic problem. I've thought this for a while but reading it just out like this made my heart hurt. I don't know why things are like that, though. Seems like 1930s or 40s or whatever small town/farmer/etc life would be much lonelier but I never see much written about that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 05:40 AM
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When he finally sees her for who she is, combined with the post-nut clarity, he realizes that this isn't what he signed up for, and decides to bail. Her looks define who she is? He wasn't only looking to get off in the first place? "What he signed up for"? What did he sign up for? Not a sexual encounter? You're assuming she isn't just as happy to see him go. As in, it's not possible she was "signing up" for simply a sexual encounter as well? How much did each party have to drink? This is imagina…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 05:04 AM
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We populated the earth, massive benefits outweighing anything else This doesn't answer the question or even support your own statements.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 04:56 AM
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Living your life with the sole motivation/purpose to impress others leaves you on very shaky ground Why does taking a class in pottery constitute living one's life with just a single purpose? It's just a class in pottery. ​ If you take pottery class to meet new people and actually learn a new skill you enjoy besides meeting women then that’s completely different to just do it for the sole reason of impressing women. You're saying it's bad because it's the only reason for taking the class? What i…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 08:37 AM
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Because a lot of men who function solely on the basis of validation from women are horny for them and less considerate of women holistically. Functioning solely on the basis of validation from anyone isn't healthy. What part of my description made you think the man functioned "solely" on validation and affection from women?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 08:29 AM
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It’s implausible that men have historically exploited women. This is what we evolved to be- if it wasn’t effective we wouldn’t have survived as a species. Why can't beneficial in some ways also be exploitative in others? And why would source of the behavior dictate that it's not exploitative? ​ "Historically, the male/female equation has always leaned toward the exploitative, both out of politics and necessity."
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 08:17 AM
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It's fine if you're keeping an eye out for a date. But going out of your way solely for the approval of women, that signals indiscriminate behavior, that men don't have standards for us other than what women can provide between their legs. So when the next younger hotter thing comes by he will settle for something "more." How did you get from attention/approval to "what women can provide between their legs"?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 07:15 AM
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I think the point is to not let “to get women” be the main reason you do anything. As with everything there is a healthy balance to be reached. For example I work out to look good for women too and I like the fact my hard work makes me more appealing in their eyes but that doesn’t make it into my top five reasons why I work out. The fact I look more appealing to women is just a bonus. Why is it a bad reason even if it's the only reason? For example, if you register for a pottery class because it…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 06:41 AM
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i’m criticizing using a masculine front for the sake of female validation, as well as acting in a way not because you like to or want to or you enjoy it, but because “it might get me pussy” - I would call that simping because you’re compromising on yourself, your values and are lying to yourself and those around you for the sake of validation. Its the same lack of integrity and sense of self as simping Okay, wait. I'm thinking I'm misunderstanding. What do you mean by "front"? I'm assuming you m…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 05:31 AM
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From what I have seen, I have noticed many women (even ones that are nice to me) enjoy almost tormenting short guys specifically . Im considered tall, but watching my short friends get consistently made fun of by women, even ones they arent hitting on has been sickening. Those are the people I typically see this sort of thing happen to It's definitely bad to ridicule anyone for physical things. I honestly don't understand anyone over 13 (male or female) not realizing how hurtful this is.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 05:23 AM
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I saw :)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 05:10 AM
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Yep. Doing anything for women or female attention/validation as opposed to for yourself is simp/trick/sucker behavior. What person doesn't want attention/validation from the opposite sex? How is it a negative to improve yourself in order to get it? ​ If you’re a man, you have to constantly ask yourself why you’re doing something or why you feel the need to do something. Better to just make your decisions as best you can and move forward. Constant second-guessing is toxic. ​ If you want to take a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 04:27 AM
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For example, if you fully work out and focus on your vanity muscles for the sake of attention for women - ie. doing only upper body and skipping leg day, you’re probably simping But when you take your pants off, she's going to see your legs.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 04:13 AM
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So there you have it - if you feel the need to put up a masculine front or act a certain way because you think it will get you female approval. You’re a simp. Are you criticizing masculine "fronts" or wanting attention/validation from women? What do either of these things have to do with simping?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 04:11 AM
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This is a rant more than a debate. Plus, you're wrong. Plus, it's dumb to try to compare men vs women in the ways you are. We are very different these ways and good thing, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 03:35 AM
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I’m skipping details, but she suggested going to a show together later in the week after hanging out a couple times at a bar for like 4 hours. After the show, a dinner, and bar hopping, I asked if she’d be interested in an official date. Then I get the “can we just be friends”. That would be hard. Unless something pretty awkward happened on that last evening, I'd assume something else happened in her life, another man or other plans, etc. I wouldn't assume it was something you did or should have…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 03:08 AM
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Considering most people have jobs, it's not that hard to lose a week or two in making plans with someone. Acceptable with family or an established friend. Not so much with a (hopefully) new woman. There would need to be a fairly compelling reason for him not to lose significant ground for me. But I don't think that's the case he's describing here, that weeks passed before he contacted her at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 03:00 AM
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Find something she is likely to hide. Multiple somethings. Ask about it. If she lies I am no longer interested, if she doesn't lie I ask about what I want to know. If I catch her in a lie I am no longer interested. This is bizarre. You will dig up some dirt on her and then if she tells you the truth about the dirt, you proceed to ask her about what she did sexually with your friend. You not only believe you could actually tell if she is lying about what she and your friend did sexually, but that…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 02:53 AM
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Why do many women seem to take pleasure in rejecting certain men? There are women who are so nasty that nobody should have to deal with them, but they're definitely RARE, not "many". What I've mostly seen in cases of unkind rejection is men making assumptions about themselves or the woman they're approaching that, with a bit of thought, could easily have been avoided. No one really deserves a harsh or impatient response, but whether deserved or not, it's usually provoked.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 02:39 AM
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This goes on for a couple weeks... Just in curiosity, you're saying you waited 2 weeks after you suggested a movie to actually ask her out?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 02:16 AM
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In dating, as a man, it's demanded that you be confident and socially skilled. Meanwhile, women are allowed to be as neurotic and anti-social as they please If this were true, no one would ever date.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 02:11 AM
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It's not plausible for men to do that because out of the three physical traits women find most attractive (facial bone structure, height, and muscles) two are genetically innate. Of course it's plausible. Women have been dressing, styling their hair, dieting and working out to accentuate what's attractive and minimize what's not for just about forever. And now, there's orthodontia and plastic surgery of all kinds. A man's facial hair can cover or emphasize, depending on the shape. It's not plaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 01:20 AM
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Most people have a a digital footprint. Most people around them also have a digital footprint Complete with what, how and how often details of intimate sexual behavior? No. And even if you could find anything out this way, as I asked before, what if it's something you don't particularly enjoy or vice versa?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 01:12 AM
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Part of what we are finding out is just how innately sexually selective women are as their survival need for men trends to zero. I tend to think culture and environment play huge roles in how selective women are, so if they have become too selective for widespread monogamy to work, it may not be because of female biology as much as a crazy culture. This seems reasonable to me but more likely the problem would be vice versa, with men not providing the same forms of desirability that have always b…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 09:44 PM
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Hire a Private Investigator. Because everyone would be willing to reveal intimate details of their relationships to a PI. I think you may already be wasting my time.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 09:00 PM
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I haven't met a woman that doesn't want my best. So I want my partner's best as well. The only way I can define what is the best she can give is by looking at.the way she behaved in previous relationships/ with previous men. How would you determine and then rate her past behavior? Would you actually ask her for details? How would you adjust for differences in your friend's likes and abilities vs. yours? Same question for his attractiveness vs. yours? I can't speak for anyone else, obviously, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 05:06 PM
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If she brings her best as defined by her past actions. If I get everything she did for, did with and tolerated from previous partners and on the same timeline... Then sure I am interested in her. If she doesn't give me that, I am out. So, to you it's a competitive issue, or you consider yourself and any men you're friends with as a unit, or...? It sounds like it has more to do with other men than with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 12:50 PM
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Ahh ok fair enough, and to answer your question was I complaining? mmmm🤷‍♂️perhaps maybe I was maybe I wasn’t only I will know the true answer to this mysterious question hehehe That's a "yes".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 10:42 AM
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If a man has good values, is very presentable (and at least average looking), and has only been intimate in the context of relationship, is it "morally wrong" for him to seek a woman that is likeminded? Not at all, and regardless of his physical attributes. In fact, I think it's not only admirable but also the ONLY time it's respectable.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 06:41 AM
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Wait a minute sex is a mutual thing among two consenting adults, if two adults mutually agree on having sex with each other then why do women always frame it like they are being used? wtf do you mean sex with nothing in return? So sex should always be a money transaction for you so you don’t feel used? I don’t get your logic here so you are basically an escort and think like one then based on what you just told me right? No. I was going on your own statement about "what some guys can only get wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 06:27 AM
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He always does what he says he will and hasn’t let me down . It's the biggest thing of all. To me, at least. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 02:16 AM
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I definitely did. I suppose because he was so clear about that's what he wanted and I could rely on him to make it possible. I've definitely never been the CEO type but at the time I was completely comfortable thinking I'd never marry and I'd be fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 02:14 AM
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My guess would be that you definitely do but you don't like the app method. Makes perfect sense to me, I hate dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 02:10 AM
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Only way of success for some guys is completely diving into the gutter and going for very undesirable women 😂 I’m talking about the type of women that are elderly, fat/obese in all the wrong areas, homeless drugged up bums, bad hygiene, a toxic personality, a combination of all of those is what some guys can only get without having to pay escorts Where is the problem in paying an escort? No woman is going to let you just use her body for nothing in return. Why should she and why are you complain…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 01:48 AM
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Guys who have their shit together, are attractive and have lots of personality are being forced to settle AND to work for it. In whose estimation, though? The men you're talking about could go out with you in female form, but if they want relationships with other women, then it's those women they'll have to please.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 01:40 AM
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Should we give up on all of it? I wouldn't blame someone if they did. We don't all have to do the same thing and dating has worked well for lots of people or we would already have given up on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/24 04:06 AM
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Women often say it as a way to abdicate a bit of accountability... AFAIK it's simply a figure of speech used to spare both the teller and the listener a lot of details that aren't interesting or necessary to get the story across. ​ Or I’m just inept when it comes to sexual escalation, or my fear of coming across as pushy or making them uncomfortable is holding me back from operating with the level of confidence a guy needs to seal the deal. I don't know how anyone here could tell you precisely w…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/24 03:20 AM
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That sucks but like women he hasn't experienced the even worse alternatives: Only being wanted for labor/money, or not being wanted at all. You're saying that women are never wanted for money and aren't ever unwanted? That's not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/24 11:40 PM
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But in the case of people like OP who are outright laughably ignorant of how difficult dating is for other people, we can make an educated guess. I don't understand. OP thinks there's no sense in adding filters and requirements ahead of time, there'll be time later to leave IF the person does some deal breaker-type thing. How is that ignorant or even bad advice for someone who already has problems finding a date?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/24 01:02 PM
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But I’m genuinely coming to despise everyone on both sides. I do genuinely enjoy debating these topics though, and I’m always open to changing my opinions - has anyone else experienced this type of shift? Me. I've always been strongly feminist but it seems that group has been co-opted(?) by women who consider it a weapon, denying most of the progress that's been made as well as engaging in flat-out sexism and fantasy as often as their counterparts. I still like to debate though, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/24 08:11 AM
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What is even your point? My point is that generalizing about how entire groups of people think or feel isn't realistic, regardless of their life situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/24 08:01 AM
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You are literally homophobic, just say it lmao That's an idiotic thing to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/24 07:57 AM
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People who are naturally good at stuff and incredibly lucky look down on others and wonder why is it that not everyone has it as easy as them, they should just follow their heart and dreams and life will resolve itself For every talented person who thinks this way, there's a less fortunate person who has made his mind up that talented people always have miserable personalities and are in no way grateful for their special qualities.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/24 10:24 PM
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No. It wouldn't be from a moral or sociopolitical POV, either; I wouldn't have any objections on any grounds. It's that his masculinity would have a different quality for me and I wouldn't find it attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/24 10:04 PM
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Right now, I'd have to think just to remember the last time that I've felt insulted. I don't really retain things like that for long. I'm glad. Haha. It was probably here on PPD, though. :p
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 12:06 AM
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Lol...women find those things attractive & then date on the presence/absence of those things. That's literally reducing him to a certain body part. Finding a certain quality attractive and desirable, even to the point of filtering for the presence of that quality isn't objectification. It's not dehumanization unless the physical quality is only and all that matters. For example, tall men can and frequently do have likeable personalities, good senses of humor, are brave or intelligent, etc. A wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 11:58 PM
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Flexing with a 6’6” boyfriend is textbook objectification. No need for woke definition copy and paste. Not woke. Not objectification.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 11:45 PM
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You don’t win by posting woke definitions. We all know what that word means and that I used it correctly. This concept has been around much too long to be considered "woke" by any stretch. You didn't use it correctly and you didn't answer the question, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 11:43 PM
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The status is only improved because the mate is conventionally attractive and tall. And...? From Oxford Reference: objectification The dehumanizing reduction of a person (or in representation, a depiction of a person) to the status of a thing, an anonymous body, or a fetishized body part (see also fetishism; fragmentation). Feminists argue that female objectification is a primary mode of women's subjection: in art, film, literature, and life, they are the traditional objects of the gaze for hete…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 01:00 PM
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Try using the modern internet. Tiktok is full of women using men as status symbols and/or judging them shamelessly on physical genetic traits like height and jawline. Comparatively speaking, this is still minimal and mild compared to what women deal with. It's not an example of women objectifying men much more than vice versa. Just to be sure we're talking about the same thing, and this is from Oxford Reference: objectification The dehumanizing reduction of a person (or in representation, a depi…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 12:53 PM
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If those qualities tend to be uncontrollable/physical/completely unrelated to your personality, then that's the definition of objectification. That's not the definition of objectification. From Oxford Reference: objectification The dehumanizing reduction of a person (or in representation, a depiction of a person) to the status of a thing, an anonymous body, or a fetishized body part (see also fetishism; fragmentation). Feminists argue that female objectification is a primary mode of women's subj…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 12:41 PM
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I've never saw a gorgeous woman dating a tall playboy or whatever. Gorgeous women have their pick of men. Why wouldn't they date a tall playboy? Why wouldn't they date gorgeous men in general?
/r/MensRights25/02/24 12:22 PM
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Wealth, looks, dick size, height, status, relationship success, etc. That's not an example. That's a list of qualities that could reasonably be factored into overall value. It's not evidence of objectification.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 04:13 AM
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You're right, both men and women can age well or poorly. But your last point is wrong. Young women will always be more desirable than older women. And tall men will always be more desirable than short men... These complaints about a single physical trait being factored into one's value seem silly compared to the near-totally physical valuation women have faced for hundreds of years or more. Everyone is attracted to good-looking. We all need both to accept that it goes both ways, as well as devel…
/r/MensRights25/02/24 04:07 AM
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Women objectify more than men. Can you offer an example? Women are only relatively recently starting to objectify men and in fairly small, unharmful amounts.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 03:47 AM
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It's more likely that the men who aren't chosen are going to decide the one who was is an "asshole" than women in general really being attracted to "assholes."
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 03:30 AM
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Women objectify men all the time, just a different type of object, usually a status object Being aware of the improved social status of having a mate isn't objectification.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 03:25 AM
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Problem is many of them would solipsistically assume that female carnal attraction was also purely based on looks. I can't imagine anyone, including TRP believers, thinking this is true. Whether it's nature or nurture is more and more up for debate but the idea that women are much less likely to objectify men than vice versa can't be news.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 01:04 AM
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Fat woman is probably sad men say they don’t want fatties so as women do she says “RP men are being mean” and attributing anything negative to “red pill” RP men eat all trashy, the way she described? The thin ones, I mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 01:43 PM
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How does this relate to Red pill / Blue pill?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 12:38 PM
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If you want to address these issues maybe some self reflection on your liberal blue pilled beliefs is in order Every one of your statements can be answered with "because more women have a choice now", which says that everyone (no matter the pill) might want to reflect on why women are choosing anything except the traditional. Two ideas seem evident, the first being that women don't want to be subject to their reproductive abilities but rather the other way around. Controlling one's fertility is …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 09:20 AM
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The result of women aiming higher than their level and may succeed cause of the lower standards/ higher libido of men . I don't think that's the reason but, assuming it was, then it would be men's behavior causing the problems. I still think it's largely men causing their own problems due to the ideas they have about women but there are still women who share those ideas too. It's partly what many see as male/female difference in libido is just a matter of men never being taught or expected to ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 12:41 AM
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80% of women reproduced while 40% did But that's the result, not the cause.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 12:06 AM
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I thought the idea was that women are gatekeeping sex while men are gatekeeping commitment. I definitely don't think everyone believes this and the fewer who do, the better. But even with this being the situation, how can the responsibility all fall upon women? Aren't we speaking of sexual relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 11:51 PM
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I've seen it argued on this sub and other dating subreddits that if a man isn't content with just having nonromantic friends and is also interested in romantic relationships, that he's just trying to use women for sex. I've never seen anyone say that. I don't see any logic to it. Can you show an example?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 11:40 PM
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Right. Because I've never met anyone whose father is physically unattractive. It's very easy to demonize people who are more fortunate or successful than we are. It's a bad practice, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 05:35 AM
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You realise feminism was a thing long before any of the guys here even finished wearing absorbant underwear, right? They grew up watching women demand everything and quite often get everything, whilst most men got nothing but blamed, shamed, and insulted. Gee, whyever do you think they might be a little bit put out? This isn't the case, though. Up until the current situation of looney politics, everything feminism gained was not only fair and deserved but a benefit to society overall. I doubt th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 05:30 AM
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The institution of marriage and the repression of women preferences is an adaptation to stabilize society because when women are totally free to select their sexual partners they tend to flock towards a minority of men and that destabilize society. Since throughout history women have been the fuel that power the male engine to propagate society and without a women and a family in horizon most become unproductive or loose canon. Not only is this untrue, there's nothing in our biology that would r…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 12:39 AM
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And how have men done this to themselves? And DO NOT start with this "patriarchy bs" 🙄 because the ones who are in charge of said "patriarchy" aren't the men lamenting. (Which IS the target group you're referring to). AFAIK, a patriarchy doesn't by definition mean equal power to all members. But the men lamenting here still needed a rule restricting N-count posts. Which is fair evidence of their support of double standards. Which is how they've done this to themselves. ​ Explain. Men expect wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 03:07 AM
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1a) As many women as men are against abortion I don't see that as proof of concern for women's sexual autonomy. There are many women who still think sex is primarily for men and producing children and it's a woman's job to make sure of it. Male or Female doesn't dictate absolutely. ​ 1b) That's a heavily Ameri-centric argument anyway Why does it matter? Are you saying the US is more restrictive of access to contraceptives or less? ​ 2a) Women have access to far more forms of contraceptives than …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 02:44 AM
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You ask for... you expect and demand these things for women, as though men already have them, but we don't and you (as a gender and as a social movement) have no intention of allowing us to ask for them. In the same breath we can be told "it's important (for women) to have these freedoms and experiences" and "fuck off, you entitled misogynist, what makes you think you have any right to that?" Exactly. Because at the same time you're wanting all these good and healthy things, you're still denying…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 02:05 AM
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i fail to see how it make women less picky about their LTR or casual partners. Because they didn't have to be as concerned about being tied to the man for 18 years due to conception.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 01:57 AM
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and this would magically help average dudes get laid how exactly? Because then women could have sex simply because they wanted to and it would be a happy, healthy thing to do. It wouldn't have to be a Lifetime Memorable Experience and there'd be no social stigma or guilt just for having done it. The same way men do. That's not magic. It's just logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 01:53 AM
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The SMV difference between men and women is biological, you can't get around it, you can only equalise it through cultural values like enforced monogamy. SMV is defined in a large part by a social desire to repress natural sexuality in women, so it's only partly biological. Enforced monogamy only increased the power of double standards although it was accompanied by an almost complete lack of socioeconomic power for women. I don't know how it would play out if men and women were equals in those …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 01:45 AM
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We do challenge them, but if they get sex despite being shitty they aren't going to care about what we say. If they are still getting positive attention from women then, in their mind, they are doing something, right. Unfortunately, we teach women to put up with so much bad behavior that many of us don't recognize it unless it's happening to someone else. Getting rewarded even when behaving badly is definitely a reinforcer but growing up in a society where men are expected and taught to do whate…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 01:31 AM
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I don't understand what you're saying here. Explain, please? What is "it" in this part? Then it’s society not just women
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 01:19 AM
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Culture is downstream from biology, most if not all differences of treatments between male and female can be traced to biology. But which points of biology are responsible for forcing women to repress their natural sexuality? That's what's at the base of our sexual double standards. ​ "It just isn't necessary or excusable anymore." That's irrelevent because biology doesn't evolve as fast as technology developp. Nonsense. Most of us manage to control the bulk of our urges to assault others or che…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 01:14 AM
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I've never witnessed men slut shaming even objectively sluts. None of your measures would lead to average Joe getting more pussy. ​ The only thing I can think is either you're being disingenuous or your definition of slut-shaming is completely unlike anyone else's. That's it? That's your rebuttal?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 01:06 AM
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Oh. Okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 12:57 AM
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So I just illustrated why and how men feel and your first instinct is to blame men...INCREDIBLE 🤯 I don't know why it's incredible. Historically and currently speaking, men are and have been the most aggressive and powerful sex, yes? And even that doesn't mean this isn't true: Stop expecting women to be ever-accessible but only to you, and 90% of the issues will disappear.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 08:47 PM
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Because you don't think there's an innerant difference between male and female behavior? I definitely think there's a difference. I just don't think our current double standards are a result of those differences, with the exception of male physical strength and natural aggression, which aided in both the creation and enforcement of those standards. And for the general FYI, I think it may have been a means to a necessary end. It just isn't necessary or excusable anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 08:38 PM
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Alas it will never happen as the reason is biological/innate and rooted in evolutionary biology and gender differences in behavior. I don't believe preventing healthy and pleasurable sexual autonomy has ever been a matter of evolutionary biology. That's really all that the double standard is based on. ​ It’s not to do with standards, culture, etc. Ofc women are going to be much pickier than men due to higher risks associated with pregnancy We have the medical technology to make pregnancy a non-c…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 08:27 PM
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We need to accept women's sexuality as being as important to women as men's is to men. Allow women to experience it from a POV of health and personal enjoyment rather than based on the preferences and approval of others who are really only seeing her as a body to begin with. This would include attitudes about slut-shaming and reproductive control as well. Sexual experience shouldn't be seen to determine a woman's value any more than it does a man's.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 07:59 PM
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Women have a choice not to have sex with "bad men", though. Why doesn't every woman avail herself of this choice? Because they don't think they're bad men. ​ Women still have sex with men very quickly, though. What helps women the most is when they share information about men who behave poorly such as in those "Are We Dating the Same Men?" groups. Then men who have the ability to deceive women are less likely to be able to use their skills to benefit sexually from this. I think the "very quickly…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 07:41 PM
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If men didn't hold women to higher standards regarding their sexual autonomy, women wouldn't need to make every sexual encounter the equivalent of a semi-religious experience. This includes not only ideas around slut-shaming but access to contraception, abortion and a more realistic approach toward parenting. It also includes a more sensible approach to objectification on both sides; it should be accepted as part of sexual attraction but not to the point it overwhelms any appreciation of any oth…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 07:31 PM
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Another way to look at this, though, is that men have evolved an ability to deceive women into sex. One can't fault some women for falling for these men's innate ability to deceive. I don't see it as an innate ability as much as I do society giving men a pass for this type of deceit because of a belief that men just can't control themselves. But I also see fewer men thinking this type of behavior is okay (TRP notwithstanding) and women being more demanding about men from a sexual POV as evidence…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 05:50 PM
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Both of these ideas are things (mainly) men have done to themselves. Stop expecting women to be ever-accessible but only to you, and 90% of the issues will disappear.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 05:42 PM
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If everyone would stop holding women to different standards than men, men could also have sex at will. lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 05:35 PM
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Revenge fantasy circle-jerk.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 05:32 PM
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I'm getting it from the context. We are talking about a woman who expects men to pay on the first date (according to his gender role), but goes through hoe phases, has casual sex, probably talks to multiple men etc ( does not align with her gender role). No, we're not. Outside of expecting a man to pay for a first date, none of these are requisite to the situation. You're adding them. ​ You still didn't answer the question. List the exact examples of her contribution that would be as valuable as…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/24 10:14 AM
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Mine's always sushi.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 08:00 AM
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The vacation comment was snobbish but the problem is that you apparently saw them only as possibilities for sexual gratification rather than human beings.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 06:06 AM
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Men get mad when women ignore them and they become suspicious when we don't. They were engaging with you as another human being. That's what everyone should be doing. It's what you ought to have been doing as well, rather than seeing them as possibilities for bodily access. I’m genuinely not interested in them because I can’t afford vacations 3x a year.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 05:47 AM
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If you are implying there should be consequences for someone who speaks in a non-violent manner, simply because someone else interprets their words in a way that they feel justifies violence, then, my answer is no, there should not. That is horse shit. This is so important and I think it's at the heart of all the controversy. People really need to grasp this idea. And that includes private citizens who try to incite against people who say things they don't agree with as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 05:01 AM
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A lack of bias doesn't isn't tied to the amount of support or the lack of it. And a presence of bias may be appropriate to socialization. And neither is reflective of value.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 04:46 AM
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Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 04:38 AM
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So you think humans were too dumb to comprehend the concept of a woman having had sex with someone prior but smart enough to feel threatened at the thought of that someone having a bigger dick than themselves? No. I believe they knew little about the mechanics of reproduction but they were experts at knowing who they wanted to notice them or sleep beside them at night. They probably loved ejaculating and felt particularly drawn to affectionate women with big bellies and breasts or babies in thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 09:48 PM
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Men had to find a way to ensure the woman they were gonna protect and bring mammoth meat to would be carrying his child, that's why it makes sense biologically. A woman who has previously been pregnant by one man can definitely become pregnant by another man. And, biologically speaking, at the time this would have been relevant to evolution, there were no tests for paternity or virginity. And that's assuming they had the mental capacity to even grasp these ideas. ​ Sexual jealousy and insecurity…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 09:03 PM
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Those normal people who respect gender roles show that respect by also following them. If you expect others to follow them, but won't follow them yourself, then you're looking to take advantage of other people. Is that how most people are? I don't think so, so I don't think it's normal. Gender Roles. What made you read that as "gender role"? Did you read it that way? ​ You are right, they should be treated as human beings who want to take advantage of other human beings, not as normal human bein…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 08:40 PM
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Yes it is, if only a man is expected to perform his role but the woman isn't. Where are you getting this part? I said: To expect gender roles to be respected... And exploitation is the act of profiting off of someone else's vulnerability. No one NEEDS to date any particular person. ​ Or, if you look at it from a different angle, equal treatment in this case would be to not give her equal treatment (just like how she doesn't give it to a man). No, that's spite. ​ Huh? Never said it could be the o…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 08:35 PM
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Behind the mask of political correctness most men given the choice would still want to be their woman's first, which makes sense biologically. It doesn't. And really, the biology excuse is a poor one, considering the less influence of the church and the greater availability of contraceptives were two of the biggest reasons sexual sacrifice fell out of favor with women. And a lot of men, too. I won't theorize on the mechanics of male sexual jealousy but I think it, and still seeing women as posse…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 08:14 PM
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What u/CBreann913 said AND because sexuality belongs to the person it's part of, male or female. It's for that person's health and pleasure and self-direction. Not a bargaining chip.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 08:04 PM
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Bro how delusional are you? Even if you decide to never have kids, your life is still more valuable than a man's. Your problems and issues come before a man's. You need to get a grip Women had to work very hard just to get their basic concerns and rights met, they continue to do so, out of necessity. What you're talking about is the truckload of men who care less about other men than they do women because in their thinking women = sexual gratification for themselves. That doesn't make us truly v…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 08:02 PM
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Imho a lot of people think that women Will Always Remember that moments while actually a lot of them Just move on After losing virginity, they arent attached at all to that man. The idea of a woman's virginity being meant to be given as a gift to a man has lost a lot of its popularity, at least in the western world. Good thing, too. What a bad idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 01:00 PM
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It's a lot of work to give birth without being pregnant first. Rescuing the weakest ones in the building first is the best way to save the most people. And even if your estimation about male vs. female value were correct, it's still much better to be rated by your thoughts and actions than for what others can do with your body. Sheesh.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 02:10 AM
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All divorces are sad but I've never seen any that could be considered "acrimonious" where one or both partners weren't acting like idiots, the biggest problems being around spite taking priority over children's welfare and sharing family resources fairly. A man who isn't smart enough to see that while instead blaming the courts for being unfair or to know I see it too wouldn't be a man I'd marry. I do know things like disability or other benefits might have to be considered but I think both woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 11:47 AM
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This might be the case with a woman pulling an attractive man but I can’t see it being to the same extent as men when it comes to the respect given. I'm thinking that as women become less objectified, men are more likely to see our value from a broader POV. As it stands already, most men are completely aware that women can be as smart and capable as any man, they just don't seem to have "de-compartmentalized" that awareness yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 10:53 AM
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Thank you for your insight. It's helpful.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 10:41 AM
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I'd leave but there's really no possibility of me being in a relationship with a man who was either so dumb or actually DID have reasons for fearing marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 09:47 PM
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What you're describing is true for a lot of people and comes from a history of women being considered possessions and a majority opinion that our sexuality must be oppressed at all costs. So men are expected and encouraged to objectify, women are taught to be "generous" when appraising men. That's depressing, but we are continually getting smarter as a group. So the more we accept women's autonomy and sexuality the more important personality and physical appearance will be for both sexes. There …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 08:18 PM
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What is and what isn't normal socially depends on how the society is at the time. What was normal prior to 1960 and what is normal now are different things. Prior to 1960 it was normal for women not to work. Now it is normal for women to work. Do you not see how this would affect what is normal with regards of paying for stuff? SAHMs can definitely be normal people in normal relationships. Many normal people respect gender roles. And both types are common as well. Someone can be perfectly normal…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 07:26 PM
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To expect gender roles to be respected in a relationship primarily rooted in gender isn't exploitation. What part of being a man does it exploit? ​ Neither they deserve equal treatment since they themselves do not want equal treatment because they expect someone else to contribute more than them. It's your own definition that the only contribution could be monetary. You're definitely entitled to it, but you're wrong to think you're also entitled to force it on others.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 07:09 PM
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Everyone is and isn't replaceable. It depends on the role. And in a society that still values women largely on physical appearance, it's silly to complain about men being replaceable.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 06:28 PM
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But more to the point, it's very hard to ask someone you don't know that well something like that without it sounding accusatory, which is probably why most people wouldn't. Like that's fairly obvious I think. This is what I think too, except I think the man should expect that he's not the only man in her life until there's a real reason to think he might be. At that point it wouldn't be seen as invasive if he asked. I don't think it's wrong for her to give the situation multiple dates to decide…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 06:23 PM
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Thank you, very much. I will think on this. It's appreciated.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 11:14 AM
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In the context of OP's post it's just simply about how honest you are about it. Down to just that then, my only argument would be based on what should logically be the default assumption. As in, why expect a woman not to have some form of pre-existing society before meeting the new man? Why expect them to either report or disrupt it once they've accepted a date? And really, if a man feels he must know before the first date or even the second, why shouldn't it be on him to ask if she hasn't volun…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 11:10 AM
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i think looking at it through a solutions based lens is wrong, we don't force solutions on other people with mental issues or problems, we offer empathy and understanding. Pity can only go so far. Empathy just in and of itself is a limited benefit. There'd be no need to force an actual solution for loneliness. Who would decline it?? And I know this is a whole other discussion, but there's a lot to be said for forcing solutions in cases of mental illness.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 10:24 AM
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Men raping minors - Not unexpected and part of his sexuality and history. Women raping minors - Sick! Sick! This is craziness. Rape is rape and pedos are pedos. It's morally wrong, socially opprobrious and across-the-board vile, no matter what. It definitely isn't better in any way when perpetrated by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 10:15 AM
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Sexual jealousy is something I have never been able to understand in men. Not the logical jealousy that might happen in a exclusive relationship where he for whatever reason feels less than valued or valuable - the normal, 'nobody's perfect' kind of jealousy that just needs to be thought through to be solved. It's the kind that's so embedded that the majority (even the truly sensible ones) of men consider being "friendzoned" a very bad thing. Or, even crazier is the idea that if a woman is (or h…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 09:12 AM
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As cliched as it is to say, I’m pretty sure loneliness is genuinely more deadly than smoking cigarettes. After the recent covid episode, I'm undecided as to how unhealthy (how, not if) smoking actually is. But I'm also undecided about whether I'd rather die of cancer or be lonely all my life. I think most people know how bad loneliness can be because most have suffered loneliness at some time or other. I just don't think anyone really knows what to do about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 08:56 AM
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You either are soft, agreeable, provider, protector, etc or not. If someone has to bring it out of you it’s not really you Basically I agree, though I personally have had more feminine behavior provoked by masculine behavior. As in, I gave how I felt more pull than logic in my response to a situation. That's much different than a person consciously agreeing to do characteristically feminine things. Natural femininity vs Intentional femininity?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 07:38 AM
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I don't know how a person could be traumatized by an absence of desire because it would be all they'd have ever known. Similar in a lesser way to being deaf. It makes sense that they might feel things like isolation or inadequacy. Anger, even. But trauma is caused by an intense occurrence. Not by being different.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 07:24 AM
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If you have to put conditions around your actions then it’s not really your actions. Not whether it's natural, is it conditional? By definition, a behavior dependent upon another behavior or situation would be a conditional behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 07:07 AM
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Neither are conditional. If you have to convince someone to act a certain way, best believe they’ll stop as soon as you do if not sooner Why don't you consider those conditional? "I'll do this on the condition that you do that."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 06:54 AM
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Do you feel these two justifications are equally valid? Yes, though they seem contrived and labor intensive. Or based in distrust. Are these good strategies in general when approaching relationships? Who knows. I'd be much more comfortable with a partner whose natural personality contains what I need, but maybe some people need that sort of controlled reassurance. Probably suitable for a fetish-based relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 06:52 AM
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Because no normal human being expects another human being to pay for them when supposedly they are both interested in the date to see if they are a good match. So, nearly everyone prior to the 1960's (US, at least) was abnormal? That's when both paying for a date began to have a significant part in the culture. And there's still a major chunk of the population today who believe it's appropriate. They're all abnormal? There are lots of men who would feel insulted at the suggestion. These men aren…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 06:40 AM
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Because not everyone is treated equally and like normal human beings if only one gender is expected to pay all the time. But they are. They can accept or decline. One gender having a standard doesn't equal infringement.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 06:30 AM
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You’re a gender role type when it comes to expecting men to adhere to their gender role, not when it comes to your own gender role. Do you think so? What are you basing this on?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 06:27 AM
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Then you're not treating men like human beings. That's too much of a reach, to me. He doesn't have to go on any date he doesn't want to. Having her own standards as to what she expects from a man on a date doesn't demean anyone else. Now, given the context of an independent adult, would you expect that to include "demanding or at the very least expecting your friends to pay for you every time you go out, even if you can afford it yourself, or if they are suffering financial hardship, and no long…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 12:05 PM
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Malice is rare, particularly as a personality trait. It happens more when there's some history between the people involved but it's still rare. It's not natural for people to want to hurt each other just for something to do. No, I don't think we are motivated to assign malice to men but not to women. I don't think it's a turn-based thing, either; 20 years of false accusations for one sex followed by 20 years of the same for the other sex. That's silly. Both sexes can be equally malicious. There'…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 11:51 AM
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That makes sense, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 01:36 AM
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men are only judged on their genetic traits You have it backward. Women are valued for their physical attractiveness while men are judged way more on their social and financial success and power than their looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 12:56 AM
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Personally I'm a gender role type but I love your logical approach. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 12:44 AM
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Whatever it sounds like, it's still up to him to clarify before making assumptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 12:40 AM
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because I wouldn’t want him to think I owe him sex just because he paid for some food. ... Men have a greater desire for sex (especially from beautiful women) so much so that they're willing to pay for it. If a woman isn't selling herself for sex, it doesn't matter how intensely a man believes that she is. The only behavior this should cause in a woman is to stay way clear of him, not share the price of a date. ​ Some women can afford to move through life like this because they are attractive, i…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 12:34 AM
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...then why is the attitude currently in the dating sphere that men have to pay for you time. Why shouldn't women who want men to pay still be treated like normal human beings? Why shouldn't women who want men to pay have equal rights to a man's? ​ Also, not too sure what your point was with stay at home mothers. "...whether we want to be SAHMs or CEOs. " Because I don't see why either choice should change the human being/equal rights idea, the SAHM being male as provider and the CEO being equal…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 12:21 AM
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So I’m genuinely asking for the women, you want equality & to be treated like normal human beings then why is the attitude currently in the dating sphere that men have to pay for you time. Why would gender roles preclude this? We should all have equal rights and be treated like "normal human beings" whether we want to be SAHMs or CEOs. ​ Am I just being dumb considering I’ve not dated for better part of a year as I’ve been in therapy & doing some personal growth/healing. But I feel like we are t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 09:13 PM
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Libido can be scientifically measured, and to say that both genders might have the same degree of it just because of some social issues whilst overlooking the fact that the biological hormone that is mostly associated with it, men have it in droves compared to women isn't wise either. I disagree. The psychological and emotional component in human sexuality is too strong to simply ignore the influence of a social system and morality that only relatively recently acknowledged female sexuality in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 08:48 PM
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This (your estimation of women's sexuality) is the basis of the majority of conflict and misunderstanding between women and men because what you're considering to be nature, isn't. It's nurture and society and politics and control. We have no real idea about women's libido compared to men's because women have never been allowed to experience it naturally. It has always been a thing to barter and a thing for others to control. Outside of that, I agree. Women traditionally have valued what they ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 03:37 AM
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IDK. It just sounds all wrong. A relationship of year's length is precious. Commitment is valuable. Did you make it clear that in your scenario neither of you cared for the other anymore and for no particular reason? And she definitely understood that part?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 03:23 AM
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Were you expecting her not to be angry? How would you respond to "what would you do if I just dumped you"? I'm assuming she loves you a lot and believes the same of you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 03:14 AM
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Depends on the reason for the divorce. I'm confused about what you're asking: (For the discussion, there’s no DV, no arguments, happy marriage, supportive husband who has supported his wife through 3 primary breast cancers and let her retire from working supporting her full time for over 10 years) So he simply dumps her for no reason? Yes, she's right to be angry no matter. Am I missing something?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 03:04 AM
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because we men are expected to make the first move... Your question doesn't make sense. Your situation has women doing that same thing that you say causes men anxiety but you reject the idea that women get the same feelings from it: ​ I know you are going to say: "Of course. Women have emotions too!" but... Anyway, do you believe feeling rejected from the moment you wake is likely to be healthy enough to be common?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 01:42 PM
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So, prior to the 1990s, the idea that women communicated more and better than men was unknown? How's that?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 08:31 AM
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What I'm going on about is OP's fundamental inaccuracies. The motivations for cheating have nothing to do with it. The complaint that "women initiate most divorces" is not the same complaint as "women are the cause of most divorces because they cheat" So, while "Well, it's because the men are horrible husbands and deserve it" really is a stupid excuse, it's not even a logical response. The point isn't about deserving or not deserving. The point is about who is more likely to take responsibility …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 01:23 AM
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The responsibility for who initiates the need for a divorce can be divided equally. Initiating divorce and initiating the necessity of divorce aren't the same things.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 12:49 AM
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Because for most people, spite isn't considered a virtue.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 12:46 AM
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this is based on a rumor started by focus on the family in the 90s. So, prior to the 1990s, the idea that women communicated more and better than men was unknown?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 12:44 AM
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You get it, there's always an excuse to everything women do. The people who say these things never extent the same grace to men. I've never heard any of the responses you've given here. Starting with the first one: "women initiate most divorces" "Well, it's because the men are horrible husbands and deserve it". The response I've most often heard to this is that because women do most of the changing and compromising in a marriage, AND tend to be more likely to be responsible for social/emotional …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 09:38 AM
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Your lack of embarrassment at sharing it spoke for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 09:18 AM
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There has been a significant amount of research showing that women are much better at communication. The idea that we'd do it more just seems like common sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 09:11 AM
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no most people aren't taught this and never reach emotional maturity I disagree but only on the point that you have it backward. We don't need to be taught to be emotionally authentic. We need to stop teaching each other to repress. ​ there is nothing unnatural about men crying Agreed. What I said was never crying is not part of masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 09:08 AM
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People who cannot keep their mouths shut aren't necessarily the most skilled communicators. Quantity vs Quality.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 08:25 AM
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Yes, absolutely. There’s likely a bit of misunderstanding about how it happens for many people though. It's true. People who know they're being jerks but just don't care are rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 08:22 AM
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Maybe, maybe not. I saw where you posted a small mountain of what qualifies in my mind as trolling but that's not really communication.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/24 07:54 AM
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That's my take on it, though as I said, if you saw some indications otherwise I'd be willing to consider them. I don't think it's likely he's a coward, though. What would he be afraid of? Her?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/24 07:40 AM
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The definition of “bold, assertive, confident and take charge” is directly commensurate with how good looking the guy is. Nope. Check the dictionary. ​ The truth is the best looking, most bold and assertive men get laid the most. ... Again, only if they aren't jackasses and this is much more true of men than women. AND... Why is that a wrong thing? "Nice" doesn't exclude bold or assertive. What those guys are telling them reflects their actual lived experience far more than this “women are wonde…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/24 03:11 AM
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Because we can't censor each other Wrong. The mods can and often do. I am asking a perfectly acceptable purple pilled question The idea that it's focused on an undesirable sexual/emotional trait that you assert is solely found in women says Red Pill much more than purple to me: If a woman is horny and tempted to cheat, she can't easily masterbate so she will need to actually have sex ... I'm not saying ALL women will cheat, but they WILL think about it. Trust me ​ It is pondering on the nature o…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/24 02:30 AM
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Women communicate much more than men do. It's part of the nurturing trait, probably. A "how can you do a good job of nurturing if you don't know what's going on" type of thing. Trashing men was something I used to see as a mark of growing up. It was seen as a sign of empowerment or something similar. I don't know why. I never do it now and sometimes it makes me sad to hear it. Other times I think of the trashing women take at the hands of men they don't even know and it bothers me less. It's a b…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/24 02:17 AM
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Want to ask out that cute girl you see at the library? Don't do that you weirdo, she's there to study and doesn't want to be bothered! Want to ask out one of your coworkers? Don't do that, it's unprofessional harassment! Want to ask out one of your female friends in your social circle? Don't do that, she's just your friend! Men are discouraged from all the normal ways of starting a relationship. Were these ways ever appropriate except in certain situations? Such as, she's not obviously working h…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/24 01:59 AM
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Ugh. Why is this post even allowed?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/24 01:53 AM
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It's not the point though, is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/24 01:51 AM
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Huh? Those are 2 separate ideas. Answer the question instead of insulting.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/24 01:43 AM
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Look at the countless stories of men getting ghosted because they tried to be “respectful” and not try to fuck a girl on the first or second date. The stories that say only "I tried to be respectful" are the ones told by men who will continue to be ghosted, but not because they tried to be respectful. The stories told with assorted other (sensible) reasons are the ones told by most women and those men who will improve and are less likely to be ghosted next time. ​ The truth is the best looking, …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/24 01:40 AM
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Penguinz0 did an interview of the guy later that basically shows that your accusations of him being melodramatic are wrong, Dilly admits that he indeed felt bad and insulted for what Caitlin did to him on the stream but that he brushed it off because he believes they are friends. He was not paid for this in the slightest and solely did it to help her. "Saddest Twitch Stream Ever" - even the title is melodramatic. If this were really the saddest life ever got, we could all celebrate. "...and sole…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/24 01:09 AM
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Hard to say he's not a victim when you don't have actual proof in your hand. But what could he be a victim of? Simple common sense is all that's needed here. He stands up and he walks out or he stays, it's his choice. No one is keeping him there and there's nothing shown to say he's mentally deficient. If you still even question that he might be a victim, you need to question whether it's just that the idea appeals to you and why.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/24 12:47 AM
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Being “a good person” doesn’t get you laid. Being a physically attractive person does. Not if you're a big jackass, it doesn't. And are you actually saying it's any less this way for men? In fact, it's more so! Anyway, being an attractive, good person will get you laid again, too. And another time after that. Why is that a wrong thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 10:59 PM
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They don't think "He's ugly, therefore I'm not attracted to him", they think "I'm not attracted to him, therefore he's ugly." Hahahaha. No, we don't. ​ "No women love him? Then there is nothing in him to love. Eww." Either that or it may just be a bad idea to love this person. Probably the latter. Are you saying that women should instead think that 150 (or however many he's crossed paths with) women are all wrong? ​ If it weren't for hard video proof and his public history, most women would say …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 10:55 PM
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She suddenly change her attitude expecting I was going to give her a ride back. Nope. Left her there and told her good luck And that makes you the better person because...? Leaving someone stranded at night isn't good.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 10:41 PM
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what sort of self-improvement can be done to prevent bullying being done by others? "Bullying"? The only bullying here is by Penguinz0 of his viewers. Really, his melodrama was so thick I couldn't watch the entire video. The man in the video may be participating for money or hopeful sex or they've got some understanding between them that allows him to sit still for her mockery. I think the latter is most likely. He's not a victim and this is just a really dumb video.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 10:38 PM
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I don't know who was the most ridiculous in the video, the woman, the man with her or the narrator. The woman is a self-obsessed moron. The man with her was thinking "I don't mind playing her straight man if it makes sex more likely...", so he's a moron as well. OR there's an assumption between them that this is all an act anyway. That still makes them sort of morons to me but really, to each their own. The narrator's melodrama was too thick for me to watch the entire video. He should be writing…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 10:28 PM
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yeah thats emotional hygeine not repression But you agree that that is a natural, automatic behavior rather than one that must be taught and then consciously performed? ​ i'm lost I'm saying that your examples (not crying, not being vulnerable) aren't natural attributes but rather expectations of the modern/patriarchal society, so they aren't a part of authentic masculinity. Similar to the way the belief that not liking sex was considered a realistic aspect of healthy femininity 100 or so years …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 10:07 PM
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no this is a human wide issue if you don't have emotional hygiene (process your feelings regularly) you will bottle up and explode. I'm not saying it doesn't happen. I just don't think it's natural to human nature. People who for whatever reason would rather avoid conflict than anything else tend to behave this way. People who have a healthy POV on conflict don't. I keep the latter around me but the former, not so much. ​ but the current modern/patriarchal version of masculinity we use in our cu…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 09:12 PM
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That said, it is also possible we could find another path. One that addresses the issue of women having sufficient sexual attraction, but does not make marriage and family stability so dependent on such an erratic thing as 'romantic love'. I think one area that is slowly taking care of itself is the ability to objectify. Women have traditionally been taught "never" while way too many men are incapable of seeing much more that a sexual tool. A moderate amount of it is healthy and as women are bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 08:19 AM
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I didn't deny that. The point is I defined what I mean by them. What "you" meant by them is my point. These terms already have definitions. If you want custom definitions, assign labels that aren't already in use.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 08:13 AM
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but its much more common for people to repress until they express (which definitely *is* them being "out of control") I think it has a lot to do with the type of person one spends their time with. That sort of behavior is almost always a "no second chances" with me. ​ it has nothing to do with the "levels" of masculinity You're saying there are aspects of masculinity that are automatically toxic. Give an example, please?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 07:27 AM
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I don't see the learning as so rare but I definitely agree with the rest of what you said. Anyone thinking there's only one reason for doing something needs to rethink.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 07:17 AM
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Because that's how people understand what you're saying? But that's plainly untrue or you wouldn't have felt the need to clarify with your own definition. You chose terms that already have well-known meanings.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 10:59 AM
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I meant that a kind of maternal or maybe platonic love MIGHT grow because it would be the only option if a woman is not at all attracted to a man, but does come to love him in some way. And of course this is BEST case scenario; withering resentment, disrespect and even hatred might be more common. I could see maternal or platonic being the way, even more than hatred. If it's the only type of pairing either one knows, and he does nothing to aggressively make her miserable, why not? People are ada…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 10:55 AM
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Which is why I provided the definition for what I mean by these terms in the post. Why did you use terms that are already in use? Are they specifically attractive for your purpose? Why did you feel the need to make them gender-specific? As I said in my first response: Suppressing emotions isn't aggression and expressing them doesn't equal being out of control. There is no such thing as toxic levels of either masculinity or femininity, there are simply negative levels of aggression (direct or pas…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 10:42 AM
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So how do you feel about the argument women shouldn’t have access to abortions because they shouldn’t have had unprotected sex? I think forced gestation as a punishment for conception is a bad, bad, idiotic idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 10:29 AM
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Responsibility to do what? Automatically gestate no matter the situation? By whose authority?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 10:27 AM
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Labels are used to describe aspects of reality and human behaviour. That's why they exist. In a perfect world, yes. In a world that shamelessly uses vocabulary to push sociopolitical agendas, it's not necessarily so. All I'm saying is just because a word or phrase is popular doesn't make it truly meaningful.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 10:25 AM
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I'd never thought of it this way. It makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 10:12 AM
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Women rarely take the initiative because of a few factors (which may not apply all at once): the man thinks she's easy, the man would not have feelings for her but will see an opportunity to get his dick wet, social construct. It's not the passiveness that lead to the oppesion of women, but the imbalance of force and the vulnerability of women. Strongly agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 10:06 AM
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People just don’t like the truth because it shatters everything they grew up knowing was a lie Huh? Everything? And if so, wouldn't people be welcoming the truth since if everything were a lie, we'd all be continually and overwhelmingly confused? I don't believe in toxic masculinity or femininity but I don't think the above is much more realistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 09:55 AM
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While "toxic masculinity" takes the form of men suppressing their emotions and trying not to express them especially in relationships, "toxic femininity" tends to make women not have much control over their emotions (I'm sure many women will be triggered by this even though its true), which also encourages them to manipulate men with their lack of control over their emotions because once a woman starts crying, most men do whatever they can to make them stop, especially if they're in a relationsh…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 09:50 AM
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I disagree. Child support is the right of every child, from both parents. It is not something between you and the child's mother. ​ In my opinion Men need to get a "opt out" option, how would this work? Men have an option: Don't leave your sperm where it may conceive.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 09:40 AM
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Performative wokeness is not going to get you laid and pretty much every man doing it is just trying to conform to what they think women want. This seems sensible. The rest of the idea about lots of men doing this without realizing it won't work doesn't. That's not to say there aren't plenty who actually do believe woke-ish things, it's just that the level of common sense from one side to the other (woke/non-woke) doesn't really vary. ​ Literally, I would have a conversation where I had to prete…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 05:10 PM
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Also, women who actually follow this AF/BB scenario where she is fucking around with hot douchbags and then settles down with a simp she mistreats are definitely not the norm. In fact, a woman like that would have to be extremely popular with guys to pull that off. A woman would have to be emotionally disturbed to want either a continuous string of douchebags (no matter how attractive) or 24/7 with a man she so actively dislikes. Same for the man she'd marry, and they're both rarities. I tend to…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 02:18 PM
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...if you really believe "most men" do not understand consent, I am scared for you. That is a deranged, delusional, dangerous world view. Huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 01:55 PM
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Women lie when they were makeup to make themselves feel more attractive. Lol Huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 01:35 PM
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You might say that here, but I have never seen society's perception of sluts, to even be associated with predators. Do you have a reason they should be?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 01:15 PM
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What would a woman doing those things be considered? Predators. Are you thinking differently?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 01:14 PM
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Because it is a study based on doing rather than saying. Are you talking about a book written by Christopher McKinlay titled "Optimal Cupid: Mastering the Hidden Logic of OkCupid"? Which point are you speaking of? OP's point or mine? Another point? I am trying to meet you halfway but you're going to have to be more forthcoming, please.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 01:10 PM
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Nope. That's when you can't face the reality being different than the information you possess. Like figuring out the Nazis were evil while being a German in support of them. Being lied to your whole life. Why wouldn't a person be able to face a fact that they, themselves had figured out in the first place? Unless you're talking about the anger than comes when a person realizes they've been lied to?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 12:55 PM
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I think the guy meant cognitive dissonance, when ones actions don't align with their supposed beliefs. Just my 2 cents. Could be, but I'm honestly so sick of just hearing that term, let alone seeing how many differing situations it's applied to... Is he saying that women refuse to acknowledge bad men are bad because they're attractive? Maybe. I hope not, because as much as I think he's off-course, so to speak, I also think he's put a decent amount of thought into his ideas. Which automatically p…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 12:50 PM
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For example what I'm saying rings false because hypocrisy by the very literal textbook definition starts at parenthood 'do as I say not as I do' This isn't necessarily hypocritical. An adult can have many good reasons for not allowing a child to imitate their behavior with none of those reasons being within the child's level of understanding. ​ What I described is the very definition you provided by the dictionary. Proclaiming a set of desirable traits in a partner but actively selecting for nea…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 12:26 PM
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Hence why the word "predator" is now used not to describe actual criminal behavior, but men who are merely looking to score. AFAIK any use of aggressive behavior to take something from a person who wouldn't otherwise give it is predatory. Men for whom "looking to score" includes deception, coercion, force, threats, guilt, etc. and then proceeding to use a woman's body for his own sexual gratification would rightly be considered a predator. Men for whom "looking to score" means a sexual encounter…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 01:40 PM
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Whoever wrote this is an amazing jerk. I'd even question who it actually is because you said you enjoyed your time together, though I don't know how you could find out for certain. That's awful.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 08:58 AM
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In general when someone says one thing and does another we call them hypocrites. "We"? Many of us know that finding a quality we want in another varies depending on the nature of that quality. Height, dark hair, dark eyes - those are not uncommon and instantly recognizable. Honesty and loyalty are another matter entirely. They're semi-rare qualities and not at all apparent at first glance. They take time to become apparent, which complicates the search due to the camouflaging effect of naturally…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 08:52 AM
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This point is brought up in the OkCupid study book and is a big reason why I think that the study should continue to be taken seriously. It is actually measuring how people actually act on a dating app rather than what they might virtue signal on a survey about the same topic. I'm not seeing the connection between your comment and mine. Explain, please?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 07:37 AM
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Why would I need permission to post texts that I am apart of? Privacy. ​ And no personal information of hers is being shown. Good. I'd like to see what she said.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 07:32 AM
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true. On the dating apps, it's probably worse now; Maybe 90% only want the top 5-10%. I don't doubt that attractive men are attractive to women. What I'm questioning is the data supporting it and its source. Research done on a situation where 90% of the selection rate is based on appearance isn't accurately transferable to RL. When you say it's probably worse, what are you basing it on?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 07:29 AM
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Im talking about women who want relationships. The women you refer to are in the minority. I wrote: "Women enjoy sex, including everything from LTR to informal relationships to casual sex." The only women I'm not referring to here are those who don't like sex. What are you saying? ​ And having dated a HL woman, they don’t want to be dumped either. People who have good sex do it more than once Well, yeah. Nobody wants to be dumped. But so what? How does any of this justify describing sex as alway…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 07:23 AM
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I see this every time we go for drinks, parties, clubs, etc. My husband is very tall, handsome and personable, too. Women continually come to chat with him - attractive people are just attractive. I'm just questioning the part that says there's no shortage of data supporting this claim because the Tinder(?) research is the only one I've seen.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 07:11 AM
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There's a link on that page that leads to a PDF editorial titled: Sexual loneliness: A neglected public health problem? ​ In it, I didn't find what you're saying here but I did find a lot of what seems to be concerned with incel-type problems and behaviors.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 06:50 AM
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This is just common sense and applies to all interaction, with men or with women. I can't imagine anyone thinking this isn't true.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 02:27 AM
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I posted the messages in the dailychat. You asked for permission, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 02:07 AM
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A woman who refuses to date a middle-class man is most likely a gold-digger. Everything makes sense here but this. Why would that mean she's likely a gold-digger? Money can make a big difference in a marriage as well as a life.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 02:06 AM
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They don’t just lose money, they may also end in jail. For getting divorced? At minimum wage?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 01:51 AM
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Many women would rather nowadays get pumped and dumped... Why do you and so many others invariably add "dumped"? Women enjoy sex, including everything from LTR to informal relationships to casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 01:17 AM
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Your not understanding. 5% of men fucked 50% of women. What happens is from 18-27 women are fucking chad and chad has 50 sexual partners. Will you cite the research for this statement, please?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 01:14 AM
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You are misconstruing what they said. The statement goes, 80% of women are chasing the top 20% of men. Not that they're all actually dating 'em, but that's what they are chasing and claim to be attracted to. There's no shortage of data that supports this. Isn't this data from one dating app, and a few years old at that?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 01:11 AM
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I've received the random compliment and it's always made me smile and feel good. I don't think I'd be so comfortable with the chat request but I do think the setting (library or similar) and the presentation of the man asking would matter a lot. It could be an enjoyable experience as long as the possibility of danger was minimal.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 02:27 PM
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I think it depends on the people involved, but I have seen situations where the man is so unlikely to change that the conflict means relatively little and he's more than willing to forget it ever happened. Women tend to be more concerned with negotiation and improvement within the relationship and usually see a stronger connection between actions and respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 02:19 PM
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"I was really lonely so my standards were in hell because I just wanted some intimacy so I slept with guys I otherwise would never given a chance, they exploited my loneliness and used me for sex" "I was young and impressionable and looked up to him, but now that I'm older I would never given him a chance... " "I was overweight and had low self esteem and men exploited my willingness to have sex with them for validation, now that I'm fit I finally feel I have the power to choose who I want to da…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 04:40 PM
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This is the equivalent of saying sexual harassment is not a big deal if there is no unwarranted touching. We are not arguing the extent of the infraction here. By definition the infraction has occurred. It is still taking advantage of the man whether its $1, $10, or $100,000. The crime of theft is still theft whether its $1, $10, or $100,000. There may be a harsher sentence, but its still a crime. But we all live longer if we don't try to make a capital crime out of losing a dollar, right? ​ The…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 09:02 AM
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you have to be sex friend now. Hahahahahahaha. :D
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 07:37 PM
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Hmm well those I really don't think that's what happens most of the time. So, give an example of what does happen most of the time and how you know, please. ​ It's also very indicative that you are mother henning your friends. Sure am. Everybody needs it sometimes. ​ It's not reaching. The stuff you are saying is a little contradictory. You either respect your friends agency or you don't, and it honestly sounds like you don't. Legally speaking, an inebriated person cannot form a contract. There'…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 07:25 PM
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It being conditional does not change what it says. That makes no sense. Because if it is the case, its not a lot. So you are saying if this does happen, its not a big deal because the dollar value is not a lot. So what you are saying is that it is more acceptable to do this because its not a lot of money. Which indirectly states you think its okay to take advantage of men (as long as its a small amount). Why would it need to be changed? It doesn't say directly or indirectly that I believe it was…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 07:10 PM
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You said "does she have issues with alcohol". Why is someone like this drinking to excess and why are her friends just letting it happen, especially if they are the type to cockblock her? Maybe it's a matter of chronically too much, maybe it's a matter of too much this time, maybe it's a matter of too little experience, maybe she's taken a contraindicated medication, maybe her friends weren't there while she was drinking. Maybe the man or his friend drugged her drink! Stop reaching so hard and i…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 06:36 PM
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So you are saying that its okay to use men and manipulate them if the outcome is that it doesn't cost them a lot of money? Nope. "Even if that was the case, it couldn't have entitled him to much." Conditional sentence.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 04:57 PM
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What fantasies? Lmao The ones that say offering a drink entitles to you more than some nice conversation from any women who accepts it, and that's whether she understands or agrees to it or not. Lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 04:48 PM
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I never said that out loud, but that was how I operated. Looking back... I'm wondering if I was supposed to block more? It would depend on your and your friend's ideas about friendship.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 05:54 AM
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Why are you letting your friend who has issues with alcohol drink to excess in the first place? Where did I say I would?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 05:50 AM
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You (my girlfriend) say; "Ooo the guy (in the video we're trying to copy) must be tall and strong".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 05:40 AM
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Who lets random people buy them things they aren’t interested in? What are you even on about? It’s a dating setting and the intent is obvious. You’re pretending to be naive. Who offers to buy random people things they didn't ask for? Who says a dating setting automatically means pay for play, let alone that any woman there is obligated to know about, let alone agree to, any schedule of benefits you believe the purchase of a drink entitles you to? It's not about naïve pretense but a refusal to ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 05:37 AM
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You buy letting somebody else do it. When you edit... It still doesn't make sense. Accepting a drink from someone else doesn't mean you didn't/wouldn't/won't buy your own.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 04:01 AM
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You buy letting somebody else do it. Huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 01:38 AM
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The first women in the world who doesn’t feel like emotional manipulation exists Haha. Because she accepted the drink he offered because he believed could buy him some sort of "rights" to her? Maybe best if he just flat-out asked for what he wanted from the start?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 01:36 AM
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I didn't say it was one. But it's a big reason Then say it again, please. But use grammar and punctuation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 01:30 AM
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Lmao, how about having self respect and buying your own? Who said I didn't/wouldn't/won't? Lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 01:26 AM
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You'd override your friend's wishes? Definitely. But, as I said, depending on what I knew already. Does she have issues with alcohol? Is he a person not to be trusted? Things like that. I'd expect my friends to do it for me, too. PLUS, if my friend ever did act that way, it wouldn't take me long to realize it was for my own good and I'm pretty sure my friends would react the same way. It's a trust thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 01:23 AM
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Well that or a superiority complex or some sort of dysfunction that isn’t or shouldn’t be desirable right - it doesn’t seem like that’s just men being men For "extremely masculine", no. Maybe for "overly aggressive masculinity" or something like that. I mean, you wouldn't say being extremely feminine was necessarily a coping mechanism, would you?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 01:18 AM
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Add another to the list of “things that PPD women claim isn’t a thing, but your own life verifies is very much a thing” As opposed to the list of "clichés against women from angry men on the internet?" Yes, please. ​ That thing being women wanting male “friends” to show up to do all manner of things (move heavy stuff, give rides, be an emotional tampon) and having those same women go MIA when being asked to do the same for the same male friends. You already said that. ​ And please don’t bother w…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 01:08 AM
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Why do you feel that the dollar value matters? It's the value, period. u/BringMeThePopcorn feels the man in the example was 'used'. Even if that was the case, it couldn't have entitled him to much.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 01:03 AM
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Suddenly those women become very very busy. This isn't true. If my friend, male or female needs me, I will be there for them and my friends will reciprocate. I've met some who are not that way with friends but they're few and they're as likely to be men as women. Believing that an entire gender would do this is coping for something or other.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 10:58 PM
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It's not Believing that there is always only one possible motivation behind any single thing people do is foolish.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 10:51 PM
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If a man offers to buy me a drink, that's his decision and his responsibility. If he is so needy as to believe the price of a drink is significant as anything more than courtesy, he needs to think again. He did not pay for a yacht. Only a drink.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 10:46 PM
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You ever notice how men don’t need their friends to “look out” for them? I have. Another thing that has always made me laugh is how men DO NOT share their food. None do it, and none object. OTOH, a group of women are as likely to be trying to feed each other as feed themselves. But I've also noticed comment after comment on the internet from men complaining that they don't get enough attention, no one cares about them, there's a lack of public sympathy, etc., etc. Along with this is almost alway…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 10:38 PM
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It would depend on what I already knew of the situation and how good of a friend that friend is. All else being equal, I'd definitely do this.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 10:28 PM
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There seems to be an almost universal understanding at least in the west that extremely masculine behaviours are usually stemming from deep set insecurity and dysfunctional upbringing and so they’re not as attractive as they perhaps once were on that basis alone. I'd consider this a myth rather than an understanding. It belongs in the same category of thought as the idea that when one person is unkind to another it's only because they're jealous. That might make the victim feel a bit better but …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 10:24 PM
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For equality. Nothing more A world where abortion is banned is a bleak one but atleast both men and women are locked into the choice they made when they had sex with each other. That's not equality. That's spite.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 07:39 PM
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You projected onto a whole gender something that is obviously not representative of it. When a single batshit crazy outlier OP says some bullshit and all men and women call him out on how wrong that bullshit is, then it's a totally bullshit conclusion to try to project what OP writes (and has obviously zero representativity) onto a gender. What else did I say, though?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 07:37 PM
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Girls should really be taught not to lay hands on a boy. These inter gender fights are extremely cringy. What makes me so crazy about it is movies and programs showing women in choreographed battle with men and winning, or even dropping a man with 60lbs on her simply with a punch to the jaw. It looks so realistic, it's dangerous.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 08:55 AM
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ITT: pretty much every single man and woman calling OP out on the total bullshit projection they wrote and wondering what kind of crack they're on And yet, you somehow manage to come to the odd projective and generalizing conclusion: "Another depressing testimonial for men's deceptive behaviors." without turning beet red in shame. What else did I say, though?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 08:44 AM
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My mother is a POS and I haven’t spoken to her in 7 years. The only times she’s “loved” me were when it was opportunistic for her personal gain. I didn't say ALL mothers loved unconditionally.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 08:43 AM
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