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A man being sexually experienced is not important to me in the slightest. Don’t buy into RP lies about what women desire in men.
/r/ExRedPill19/10/21 11:12 PM
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They don’t predict future behavior like the example in the OP, no. They determine what happened in the past. Of course, with both the OP example and paternity tests, what a person wants to do with that information is up to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/21 08:15 PM
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The proper analogy would be a test to see if your partner has ever cheated on you, not that they'll ever be severely violent/murderous of you or your children. Obviously, eliminating the risk of severe violence or murder towards you or your future children is far more compelling than determining infidelity. And paternity tests only reveal possible past behavior, not predict the future for the rest of that person's life. If there was a test that could reveal if your partner would ever cheat on yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/21 05:58 PM
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How do you possibly rationalize that social media and especially being "pumped and dumped" (ew) by "HVM" (also ew) are making women feel better - not worse - about their level of attractiveness?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/21 05:40 AM
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It would be one thing if RPers said that women treated them poorly in the past, and now they're cautious around women. That would be much more understandable. However, they don't stop there. They routinely claim that "all women's" sexual strategy being devoid of morals means their sexual strategy can be devoid of morals, too. That women cheat, so they can cheat, too. That women lie about everything, do they can lie about everything, too. Moralizing about the behavior they do to sleep with as man…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/21 10:20 PM
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Ok, it sounded like you were slut-shaming her for "going through over dozen partners" and STI-shaming her for "catching herpes and HPV". I'm not saying you have to be interested in this woman in the slightest, just that your comment came across like you were gloating. So you think you have almost no chance at attracting a partner because you're "autistic, short, and ugly"? What evidence would it take to change your mind? A man with those characteristics dating women, perhaps? You also claim, "Wo…
/r/ExRedPill15/09/21 10:10 PM
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Going to STRONGLY disagree here. Someone of the opposite sex being shitty does not give you license to treat other members of the opposite sex like that, nor does it excuse your shitty actions and choices. Furthermore, RPers' view of "female nature" is wildly inaccurate. So they're falsely accusing all women of a bunch of bad behavior to justify being even more shitty in return. Example of this theory in action: Let's say a woman gets raped by a man she's dating. Should she go and rape a differe…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/21 09:56 PM
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Ah, I misread the point you were making, my bad.
/r/ExRedPill15/09/21 09:49 PM
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I said: "does not run anything on her own, submits to you always always does what you ask her/tell her to do, never complains or challenges how you do things, and always gives you whatever sex you desire?" You said: "Put away your strawman. DId not say ANY of this, and I did NOT state it in absolutes." Did you not realize I was reciting your words back to you? You said: No, what we have a problem with is women who want to be provided for and who also demand to run everything, will not submit, wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/21 09:43 PM
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The problem is, that's a very common defense RPers use to defend their shitty, unethical behavior. Whenever you call them out on basically anything, their response is "b-b-b-but women do it, tooooo!"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/21 09:37 PM
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Women have a higher risk of getting raped or murdered, but most casual sex doesn't happen between strangers. Key thing to consider: Most women who are raped are raped by someone they know (91%). Most women who are murdered are murdered by someone they know (92%). (Note: Those numbers will vary slightly depending on which data are being analyzed, but other data show very similar numbers.) I very much agree with your criticism of FDS, but I'm surprised that you would get that part wrong. I guess t…
/r/ExRedPill15/09/21 09:31 PM
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Women are never going to give up their privilege. FTFY. As the saying goes, "When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression."
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/21 09:25 PM
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Well that's great. Good for you. Wish that there were more like that out there. I think the problem is when people want to "have their cake and eat it" in regards to gender roles. You see this a lot amongst RPers. They complain constantly about being expected to uphold masculine gender roles, yet they want a woman who's the most "feminine" and submissive doormat on the planet. They cannot have it both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/21 09:22 PM
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You have no problem with "women who want to be provided for"? Seriously? How are those women even supposed to live until they find a man to provide for them entirely? What if they cannot ever find a man willing to 100% financially support them like she's their child? And you claim that's the kind of woman you want? One who: does not run anything on her own, submits to you always, always does what you ask her/tell her to do, never complains or challenges how you do things, and always gives you wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/21 09:19 PM
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Yes, there are women willing to split the bill, but that's usually done as a litmus test in that if men want/agree to split the bill, they fail the test, and won't be getting a second date. What makes you say that? It's not any sort of test for me, personally. Whether or not I want to see him again has nothing to do with who paid. Yes, I've had the "you pay first, I'll pay the next" arrangement before, but that's still usually contingent on us paying the first, or there won't be a second. I'd pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/21 04:11 AM
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I agree that it hasn't entirely shifted in that there are still many women who expect a man to pay on a date. There are also many women willing to split the bill, though. Ideally, gender roles would be entirely eliminated and men would never be expected to do anything simply for being male. I don't mind a man paying for a date, correct, but I also don't mind splitting the bill or paying for both of us. In my experience, I'd say dates where you pay at the register (like coffee or sometimes food) …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/21 03:57 AM
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You quoted her as saying: Men used to have to try harder to romance women but it seems modern dating and feminism are trying to eliminate an ages old requirement to dating — making men pay. And most women are averse to splitting the bill on the first date? I don't know any women who've said they oppose this, but that could just be my social circle. On the dates I go on, men routinely offer to pay and also routinely split the bill. It seems like if a woman agreeing to split the bill were a rare e…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/21 03:34 AM
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Do you agree with Sugarfuzz? Absolutely not. What don't you agree with? I agree with all of what you said, except that her view is "very typical". I'd say her view is an extreme one. Like she said, her view completely opposes "modern dating" and feminism. Is this just a spoiled, entitled perspective? Yes. Very much so.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/21 03:16 AM
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You have it wrong. Feminism is not about copying men. It's about not having to adhere to gender roles. Men should not have to adhere to gender roles just like women shouldn't have to.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/21 03:08 AM
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Yep, you do sound like an incel. It sounds like you're happy at that woman's misfortune because she rejected you once. Is that an accurate assessment?
/r/ExRedPill14/09/21 06:50 PM
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You're accusing me of being entitled? For not wanting to associate with men who think they're entitled to women? I never said I expected to be approached by men ever, so please chill out.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 06:45 PM
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You’re ignoring that evo psych and biotruths make up about 1% of the equation, while the remaining 99% is RPers hamstering. That’s funny that you think it’s just their language that must bother me. No, it’s their utter lack of self-awareness and refusal to think rationally about almost anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 01:19 AM
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Yes, I know. Evo psych + biotruths + RPers’ hamster wheels = TRP
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/21 01:02 AM
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If you spent any time at all over at The Red Pill, you'd know their entire ideology is based on generalizations and assumptions about ALL women, and they parrot that view constantly. All Women Are Like That is such a crucial catchphrase that they abbreviate it to AWALT. And Red-Pilled men are reminded to internalize that constantly, and to internalize that "unicorns" (women who aren't "like that") don't exist. The "female nature" traits I've listed are traits they parrot about all women, and con…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 10:21 PM
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There is little difference between TRP and a cult. They share an ideology that is akin to a conspiracy theory, and there is very little deviation from said ideology. Their subreddit is an echo chamber. Now, I would never generalize men as a whole, just like I wouldn't generalize women as a whole. But TRP, a group of maybe 1.7 million (0.0002% of the world population) all sharing an ideology that actively suppresses any opinion outside of said ideology, generalizes the entire female population of…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 10:13 PM
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Nope. I don't like his facial features; his skin and eye color have nothing to do with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 09:16 PM
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People in committed relationships are usually not on the hunt for an upgrade, like Red-Pillers claim all people do if those people are women. Branch-swinging out of a relationship does happen, but the men and women who routinely do that are definitely the exception, not the rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 08:43 PM
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Using? Do you mean losing?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 08:32 PM
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I said this in exredpill, and I'll say it here: "99% of what Red-Pillers claim is female nature is literally just projections of themselves. Solipsism is one of their big projections, because they're incapable of considering anyone else's point of view but their own. Another is hypergamy, because they're obsessed with dating only the highest quality women and will claim that no women truly meet their standards. Others include immorality, irrationality, immaturity, zero accountability, zero empat…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 08:21 PM
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Wow, what are the odds? /s
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 06:27 PM
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Like I said, accusing a woman of being full of bullshit whenever she says something you don’t want to hear is a very common ad hominem used by Red-Pillers here. Thankfully, ad hominem attacks are against the rules of this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 06:24 PM
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Correct. So do you think I just happen to be the only person on the planet who experiences higher attraction to kind people?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 06:01 PM
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Accusing a woman of being full of “BS” whenever she says something you don’t want to hear is a very common ad hominem used by Red-Pillers here.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 05:52 PM
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To me, kindness is the most ATTRACTIVE trait. A man being kind builds my ATTRACTION to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 05:47 PM
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Again, I'm not putting anyone on a pedestal. Men and women alike find kindness attractive; multiple studies have shown both sexes rate it as the single most valuable trait in a romantic partner when given the option between many. This holds true for myself as well. Are you going to accuse me of pedestalizing myself?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 05:40 PM
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Attraction has a lot to do with things like morals and intellect for a lot of people, men and women alike. No one is “putting pussy on a pedestal” here.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 05:32 PM
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Your logic is completely flawed. They aren't rejected for being too kind, they're rejected for a myriad of reasons. Think any reason you might not be interested in dating someone. And I've heard anecdotal evidence of women even giving "nice guys" a chance only to find out they're actually not nice at all and very entitled. So they inevitably stop dating them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 11:12 AM
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Exactly. 99% of what Red-Pillers claim is female nature is literally just projections of themselves. Solipsism is one of their big projections, because they're incapable of considering anyone else's point of view but their own. Another is hypergamy, because they're obsessed with dating only the highest quality women and will claim that no women truly meet their standards. Others include immorality, irrationality, immaturity, zero accountability, zero empathy, narcissism, sociopathy, vanity, inau…
/r/ExRedPill13/09/21 11:08 AM
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You’re entitled to your opinion, but I’m not sure how you’re so confident that nice guys are far rarer than women claim when you’re not a woman who dates men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 09:07 AM
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Yes, they're like Muslim bombers - heavily sensationalized by the media and about as common as false rape accusations. You seem confused. Are you saying "nice guys" are just some myth made up by the media and very rare to come by? Because they're pretty common, actually. Ask women how often they come across them. Y'all are just fear mongering. I didn't write the post, I just answered it. I never said nice guys were terrifying; your accusations are confusing. What's wrong with admitting some peop…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 08:19 AM
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What are you even talking about? "Nice guys" refers to a certain type of behavior from a certain type of person (can also be a woman, or "nice girl") in which someone is fake nice to try to date someone then shows their true colors when that person isn't interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 07:43 AM
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No one should be lumping all members of one sex together, that's literally my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 07:41 AM
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I'm pointing out that your logic is flawed. You're asking how can women like me date "Pookies and Dusties" (I have no idea what either of those words mean) and then "get mad at a fake nice guy"? I'm pointing out that you don't know who I date, you don't know who most women date, and that you thinking other women date "Pookies and Dusties" does not negate my point about who I date or why women generally find nice guys unappealing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 07:05 AM
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You're trying to hold me accountable for other people's behavior. Worse, it seems you assume that all women are the same. Would you make baseless assumptions about a Black person based on their race, and say "You Black people..." to them? That would be quite racist.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 06:24 AM
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"You women"? Seriously? You've never met me. Women are not connected to the same brain. That's like lumping all men together, or all Black people together, or all gay people together. You don't know the kind of people I date until I tell you. And I'm not interested in anyone who isn't nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 06:17 AM
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I agree that they are very entitled, yes. I'm also not saying that they aren't spineless, just that spinelessness is not a reason to dislike someone (at least, not to me). I dislike them for reasons having nothing to do with having a spine or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 05:57 AM
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Plenty of people are spineless and perfectly nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 05:52 AM
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Disagree. It's not that "nice guys" have no backbone, it's that they're actually not nice (turnoff), pretending to something they're not (turnoff), and get hostile (turnoff) when they're rejected because they think they're entitled to women (turnoff).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 05:32 AM
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I don’t see the appeal. It’s also difficult to extrapolate from just one popular profile, I wonder what other popular profiles look like?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 03:23 AM
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Anyway you sound way too closed minded to continue this conversation I've been thinking the same about you from the start. You're unwilling to accept evidence contrary to your opinion that pickup isn't inherently manipulative. Bye now.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/21 07:49 PM
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The very first video I see is him saying men should never take dating advice from a woman. Misogyny detected. I also didn't watch the full video of your infield PUA, but I don't have to. The fact that his pickup artistry would ever involve secret filming is unethical. I don't need a second example. I'm also not going to watch a PUA's entire YouTube channel as a process of elimination, so if you find a PUA who meets the above criteria, direct me to where he is openly speaking out against all thos…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/21 06:32 PM
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I cannot seriously believe I have to explain that enlisting someone to secretly follow behind a woman and secretly film you trying to "pick her up" (i.e., have sex with her) is CREEPY AS FUCK. Look, if you want to prove that not all PUAs are creepy, it's actually very simple. Just find me a PUA who: Only uses pickup tactics that are ethical. Any tactics that rely on psychological manipulation are, of course, unethical. Detests the rampant misogyny in the PUA community. Respects a woman’s disinte…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/21 06:15 PM
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The reason is that there's a big stigma behind it, not that it's inherently bad or creepy. Nope. I know enough about to pickup to know the stigma is completely warranted. Actually, the more I learn, the worse my opinion of it gets. I also know enough about pickup to tell you are either intentionally misrepresenting it or are clueless about it yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/21 07:55 AM
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Again, not the same thing. Men can (and do) alter their appearance via working out (or getting a pump, or flexing), editing/filtering their photos, wearing clothing to hide flaws and flatter their physique, getting hair transplants, wearing shoe lifts, and getting cosmetic surgery, to name a few. They are not required to disclose any of that, except I'd argue they're obligated to not lie about it, just like women are. Men are also not obligated to disclose their sexual histories, just like women…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/21 07:49 AM
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That could be true if the PUA weren't trying to actively hide that he's a PUA. That could be true if the PUA didn't know that women hate PUAs but decide to secretly use pickup anyway. That could be true if the PUA owned up to his extensive knowledge of pickup instead of downplaying and lying about it. That could be true if the PUA didn't read about and employ tricks and strategies to overcome a woman resisting sex with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/21 06:11 AM
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You keep trying to argue a very false equivalence. Appearance enhancements are only manipulative if the person lies about them. Even then, one lie pales in comparison to the very calculated, complex web of lies that is pickup artistry. It also doesn't usually result in someone being tricked into having sex with someone they otherwise wouldn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/21 04:33 AM
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Employing calculated manipulation to get sex is NOT the same as altering your appearance in some way. PUAs advise that their methods should be as undetectable to women as possible. If she reacts in disgust and calls him out for being a PUA, not to panic. Say you heard about a few things and were just curious if those things actually work on women. Then proceed as planned.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/21 01:42 AM
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So if I call him out for being a PUA, he shouldn’t downplay his extensive knowledge of seduction tactics, correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/21 01:30 AM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/21 01:29 AM
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PUAs are trying to force women to date them, actually. Otherwise they would admit to being PUAs to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/21 01:19 AM
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No one's forcing you to date those women, but they're not being "creepy" by wearing makeup, using filters, or getting cosmetic surgery.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/21 01:11 AM
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Seduction = Pickup = Game
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/21 01:10 AM
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Anyone who knows the first thing about seduction tactics knows they’re manipulative. PUAs will do mental gymnastics to rationalize otherwise, but just ask them why they can’t be open to women about using pickup and watch them hamster.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/21 12:46 AM
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Nice try. No, having a conversation with someone is not creepy, obviously. Dedicating major time and effort into studying and practicing covert manipulation tactics into getting women into bed with you and studying your "target" before you even approach her so you know which tactics will be most effective with her is creepy as fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/21 12:36 AM
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It's subtle, and he'd pay attention to you quietly, and unnoticed before he attempted to attract you. So you admit men who practice seduction are creeps. Got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/21 12:25 AM
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I sincerely hope you're just a troll pretending to be a woman, because it breaks my heart that you think men like Roosh V treat women well and that any man on your private property has license to rape you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 11:19 PM
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Guy #2. Guy #1 has two deal-breakers: facially unattractive he has studied himself on seduction Not dating a man whose face I think is unattractive or a guy who uses pickup.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 10:34 PM
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What you’re failing to understand is a man refusing to take “no” to sex for an answer IS a threatening situation to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 08:43 PM
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The article quotes her statement word for word. Read it on a different site if you don't want to read it on Buzzfeed. Yes, and a person who is BLACKED OUT cannot give consent. Amazing that I have to point that out. And she was more than blacked out when she was assaulted - she was unconscious. And he tried to run when he got caught. You are defending a man sexually penetrating a woman's unconscious body who tried to flee the scene as soon as he was caught - remember that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 08:03 PM
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I never claimed to be in touch with college students, I'm not hanging around college campuses trying to talk to women about their sex lives. How many of these women have you talked to, and how many of them told you they've slept with 100 or more men? Also, even if they are promiscuous - why do you care? You think r/sexconfessions is a reliable source? You realize everyone who posts there is competing to see who can be the most over the top with their sexuality and that many - if not most - of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 07:59 PM
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I'm appalled (but not at all surprised, sadly) that you're trying to reframe an act of sexual violence as some sort of "honest" mistake made by a guy who couldn't have possibly known better. I'm more appalled that you seem to think rapists should just get away with it instead of taking accountability for their own actions. Why do I think you're the kind of person who would tell a rape victim to take accountability, despite not thinking a rapist should? Read this, because either you know what hap…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 07:39 PM
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Almost makes it even more egregious that he should suffer because of HER sexual desire for HIM. Are you talking about a specific case here? I.e., do we know the woman in question was lying? Regardless, my point is that would be far less a gender issue and almost completely a race issue. C'mon don't get carried away now. Slaves are useful. Refrain from making misogynistic comments in our discussion, I find that extremely disrespectful given that I am clearly female.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 12:48 PM
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How was the accusation proven false?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 12:40 PM
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I've never denied that a false accusation is awful. However, more real rape victims are falsely accused of making false accusations than innocent men being falsely accused of rape. And an accusation will not end a man's career nor ruin his life if he's powerful enough, as proved time and time and time again.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 12:29 PM
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Can you back up those claims? What data proving otherwise?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 11:27 AM
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I don't care either way if a man watches porn or not. But if a woman likes watching porn, she probably either doesn't mind her boyfriend watching it or would prefer he does so they can watch it together. Better than a man who's going to judge her for watching it. So there's a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 10:35 AM
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That’s a comic.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 10:31 AM
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Watching consensual pornography is way different from watching actual rape and even more different from watching child pornography. There are ethically made, feminist porn companies out there. What if your partner watches only those videos?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 10:05 AM
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Being a pushy salesman is bad. And being a dishonest salesman can be illegal. But a man not respecting a woman's "no" to sex is worse. It's not akin to being a pushy salesman, but it's akin to a toddler throwing a tantrum when the adult takes their shiny new toy away. He is well past the age where he should know better. There would be consequences for his actions, least of which is no sex for him. Bigger consequences would include informing the dating app if we met on one, and letting another wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 09:25 AM
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By trying not to pressure you or change your mind about something? Seems like how you treat a toddler. Correct, not trying to pressure someone when they've said "no" is how you behave as an adult to other adults. When a toddler hears a "no" to something they really want, like a new Lego set or Hotwheels car, they beg and whine and plead with an adult to let them have it anyway. They have a temper tantrum. If you cannot conduct yourself as an adult, you do not deserve to do adult things like have…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 09:00 AM
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Funnily enough, even women who are attracted to me or are actively trying to have sex with me will never try to violate my consent. So women are the ones treating me like an adult with agency. Men, not always. It’s always been men who are the ones who think I’m some child or an inferior who cannot think for herself or make her decisions about who she wants sex with. Wanting to be treated like an equal is not too much to ask for. Yet RP men are the ones deciding that it is, then blaming WOMEN for…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 08:42 AM
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"Fake news" whenever someone says something you don't want to admit could be true, that's hilarious. He wrote it himself in his own damn book.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 06:02 AM
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Roosh V has also published books with descriptions on how he raped multiple women. He was also accused of rape by a woman (who claimed they were strangers and he followed her home after he saw she'd been drinking) and was caught lying several times in his defense (like by claiming he never follows women when he's previously admitted he does it routinely). He also openly admits to preying on drunk women for sex and using unwanted force to get sex, which she also accused him of doing that night.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 05:48 AM
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Consent can be obtained verbally and/or physically. No one signs contracts, but everyone is expected to have their partner's consent before engaging in any form of sexual activity.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 05:28 AM
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Please refrain from the strawman. It's still just as much rape regardless of the gender of the perpetrator and the gender of the victim. I've said that time and time again.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 05:27 AM
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Don't be ridiculous. You're typing on a computer screen, I couldn't talk over you even if I wanted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 05:25 AM
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That's not what I've seen other RPers say.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 05:23 AM
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But this assertion that it never, ever happens is weirdly tone deaf and assuming every dude talking about it is some kind of liar-rapist is frankly absurd. Nope, I never said it "never ever happens". But everyone, male or female, should back off if their partner, male or female, is giving them resistance. Regardless of whether or not that resistance seems "token", unless they have evidence that it is (i.e., because their partner has previously told them they enjoy the dynamic of it and they've a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 05:22 AM
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Maybe men should give up their adult privileges if they're too obtuse to understand what consent means. Women seem to understand it much better. Imagine that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 05:19 AM
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Enough people are raped by people they're not casually dating/hooking up with that I'm going to have to strongly disagree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 05:18 AM
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Everyone can agree physical force and verbal intimidation of women should be severely punished. I'm glad you agree that if someone is verbally intimidating women into sex, they're committing a crime and should face legal consequences. That's what we've been arguing this whole time.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 05:16 AM
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What a baseless accusation. I'm not framing anyone. If you don't like the questions I'm asking, you're not being forced to answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 05:14 AM
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As an adult, you are expected to gain your partner's consent for anything sexual that you'd like to do to them. If they don't seem to be into it, you stop and ask. Simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 05:11 AM
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If only choosing to have sex within the context of a relationship were a surefire way to avoid getting raped, women would already be doing that. It's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 05:10 AM
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This is a joke, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 05:07 AM
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You're not talking about Brock Turner, are you? That's not how it happened, so I really hope you're not.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 05:04 AM
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Consent is given (or revoked) before and during a sexual encounter. It cannot be revoked after a consensual encounter has occurred. I'm not arguing for retroactive withdrawals; please stick to the facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 02:54 AM
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With rare exceptions, she has to trust that he won't rape her. She may be more likely to do that (or not care as much, due to impaired judgment) if she's intoxicated, though. Do you mean to say you regularly talk to college women who have slept with that many people?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 02:51 AM
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If women want to be treated like children they should give up the adult privileges Like having sex with adult men?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 02:47 AM
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Just because women are socialized to people please (and they absolutely are) doesn't mean you can logically assume that all women are people pleasers not capable of aggressive business practices.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 02:47 AM
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What answer do you accept as "clear and unequivocal", seeing as you're literally trying to argue that a "no" is not always enough?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 02:44 AM
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Actually, I'm trying to better understand how some RP men will take multiple precautions, including sometimes illegal ones, to protect themselves from being accused of rape before they'd ever ask for consent or merely look up what legally constitutes consent in the first place. The majority of men are not rapists. I can't confidently say that about the majority of Red-Pillers.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 02:41 AM
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I'm not going to pretend to understand the intricacies of sexuality and slavery 200 years ago, but keep in mind that Black slaves were literally viewed as morally depraved, subhuman, and inferior to white people in every way. In fact, not too dissimilar to how some members of the Manosphere currently view women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 02:38 AM
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Doesn't "woke" = "evil feminist plotting false rape accusations against men she doesn't like" in Red Pill speak?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 02:32 AM
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But a meek "no" is NOT sufficient I'm sorry, do men have hearing loss I don't know that?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 02:28 AM
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Are you speaking out about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 02:27 AM
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And I'm pointing out it's not my responsibility to define at what point of intoxication a person is too drunk to consent. But if a person cannot actively participate/give verbal consent due to intoxication, that crosses the line into rape in my eyes.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 02:25 AM
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I literally just showed you a proper example, but you seem to think because he finds the fact that he got away with rape hilarious that he's only pretending to have done it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 02:17 AM
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I have seen way too many field reports where a man using seduction to "overcome token resistance" very clearly rapes a woman to believe that all the men here, many of whom practice seduction themselves, are getting as much token resistance as they claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 02:16 AM
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It's very amusing to me that you seem to think all women are connected to the same brain. For your own sake, I'm sorry that you despise women so much. Most men who despise women are also sexually attracted to them, and I imagine that puts them in quite the pickle.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 02:14 AM
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I "have a problem" with it BECAUSE it's highly unethical and can definitely be illegal in some cases. I'm not concerned about giving into a guy who's pestering me. I'm concerned that he blatantly disrespects my consent enough to do it in the first place. Do not refer to me as a "bitch" one more time or tell me what to do with my "ass". Debate civilly, like an adult, without resorting to petty insults.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 01:58 AM
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"Either way, the statute of limitations have long since passed. :D" So the rapes were against the law when he committed them, not just now. I replied to him asking him for specifics. We'll see if he replies. Few people are stupid enough to blatantly incriminate themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 01:52 AM
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Did you read the rest of the comment thread? How much clearer can you be that you've raped women? I even said he "brags about raping women" and he fucking AGREED. It's like you're saying that if he didn't include a step by step play, the location, the time and date, and his social security number, then we can't possibly know if he did anything illegal.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 01:44 AM
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What are you even talking about? I expect my consent to be respected in the same way I respect a man's. That's literally all there is to it. I also never claimed to be any of those strawmen you bring up AND I can tell someone I don't want to have sex with him. But if he refuses to respect that, then we have a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 01:38 AM
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I'm very sorry to hear that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 01:03 AM
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Do you not remember the original comment you replied to? “No.” Is a complete sentence. It doesn’t invite further exploration. What part of “No.” do men not understand? Continuing to pressure a woman until she relents isn’t a sexual victory And you pointed out that this is not pressure, it is seduction.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 01:02 AM
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You literally just equated applying pressure to sex to applying seduction. Men who practice seduction are typically doing the former.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 12:45 AM
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Pass.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 12:37 AM
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You literally just said consent to being in someone's apartment is consent to having sex with them. And that if he goes home with her, he's obligated to have sex with her. Or he's a "pussy".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 12:35 AM
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Anyone can change their mind at any point. Maybe you said or did something that repulsed them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 12:34 AM
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What's so valuable about your time that women will prostitute themselves just to get a bit of it?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 12:32 AM
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What if he doesn't want to? Is he allowed to change his mind at any point? What if she tells him she has genital herpes? Or a boyfriend who's an MMA fighter who will be home any minute? Or that she likes to falsely accuse men of rape? Or that he won't get to fuck her but he'll have to let her peg him? Or she intentionally bites his dick during a blowjob? Or she's transgender? Or she really wants to have his babies?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 12:31 AM
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Excuse me?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 12:28 AM
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Again, just because those things are being said in your head doesn't mean those things are being said in reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 12:27 AM
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Any man who tries to "seduce" me without my consent can go fuck himself, because I certainly won't be.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 12:25 AM
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Most egregious example: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/plii1p/q4redpillers\_what\_are\_your\_thoughts\_on\_modernday/hcarsy7?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 12:24 AM
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They believe adult women have the mindset of children. They say this frequently, even write essays on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 12:23 AM
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What responsibilities do YOU have when you engage sexually with a man? If he's not actively participating as much as I am, I check in with him. If he ever says or does anything implying he's not into it, I stop immediately. When you are with a man, then decide "nah, sex ain't happening", what responsibilities do YOU have in communicating that to him? If he wants to have sex and I don't, I simply tell him that. Do you even consider yourselves to have any responsibilities? Or is he supposed to be …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 12:22 AM
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It's funny, because the men on this thread seem to think this is super common. The women, on the other hand, are telling a different story.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 12:17 AM
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See: Even if one woman wants him to "overcome" her "token resistance" that doesn't mean ALL women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 12:16 AM
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So 60-70% of the logical thought process that men have. Let's split the different and say 65%. If men are operating at 100%, and women are only operating at 65% (while also being physically weaker, and less sexually aggressive than men), do you not see the issue of men relentlessly badgering, manipulating, and/or coercing women to get sex when she's said she doesn't want it?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 12:13 AM
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I've never once consented to a man practicing "seduction" on me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 12:09 AM
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Just because I bring up an anecdote in vague terms does not mean I am obligated to share all details of the story to "prove" that it happened. I will always choose not to share said details if it would be unethical of me to do so. Also, I'm sure you could just as easily accuse me of lying after I've shared details. Highly likely, since Red-Pillers think women, beta men, and Disney are all compulsive liars.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 12:08 AM
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Pretty much. Could a woman do the same to a man? If a man goes home with a woman, is he obligated to have sex with her? What if he doesn't?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 12:03 AM
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Just because those things are being said in your head doesn't mean those things are being said in reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/21 12:01 AM
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What "resources" do men here think they have that are so invaluable to women that they'll use sex to try to extract them? I truly don't get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 11:59 PM
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How does a man know he’s raping anyone when the woman says nothing and seems eager? He's not raping her if she's demonstrating eagerness. None of the examples I give in my OP demonstrate eagerness. In fact, they demonstrate the opposite. No one cares about male consent. Prison rape is a punchline not a cause. I do. Everyone should. Rape should never be a punchline, and I am not only outspoken about that but financially support a charity that fights against prison rape. Situations like I describe…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 11:58 PM
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Consent can't be retroactively withdrawn. Consent is given before sex and during. It can't be reversed after if it was freely given at the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 11:50 PM
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You think consent to being in a man's apartment equates to consent to sexual intercourse? If that's the case, then why do practicers of seduction attempt to get women back to their apartment by making up any excuse under the sun, sometimes even directly telling them they won't be having sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 11:48 PM
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I don't know that there's anything more "low value" than a man not respecting a woman's sexual consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 08:35 PM
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So men are the most logical thinkers. Let's say men, as a whole, operate with logic at a 10. A 0 is devoid of logic completely, while a 5 is half as logical as men. What number do women, as a whole, operate at?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 08:04 PM
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Okay. I'm not sharing intimate details of someone else's sexual trauma to win an argument with some stranger on the Internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 07:50 PM
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Do women have the exact same logical thought process that men do, in your eyes?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 07:48 PM
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'Women are just children with zero sense of responsibility.' 'Except when they have sex with me, in which case they're adults who are responsible for my decision to do whatever it takes to get sex from them.'
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 07:46 PM
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I'm not writing the law here, obviously. The law uses vastly more specific language than a person having a casual discussion. Laws vary depending on region, so if you want to know the law in your area, I would encourage you to do a Google search.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 07:43 PM
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So you'd badger a woman for sex, not stopping until she gave in? Men need to learn to take no for an answer. It's not a difficult concept to understand, nor is it difficult to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 07:23 PM
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We are talking about people that stumble home together while laughing and touching each other then have sloppy drunk (not unconscious, not passed out) sex. I literally just said that's not rape. Did you not bother to read the comment of mine you responded to?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 07:21 PM
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It's extremely disturbing to me that you think women actively resisting having sex with you is just a normal part of the mating process and you're doing nothing wrong by overriding their resistance. Even more disturbing that you blame your perception of female nature for your actions, which are unethical at best and illegal at worst. I do not want a man to persuade, to seduce, to sell himself to me in order to have sex with me. A man who would try that shit on me is a man who doesn't respect my …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 07:18 PM
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I would point out that a man can be lying there unconscious or close to unconsciousness and a woman can start riding him without his consent. So that's a bullshit law.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 07:12 PM
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Yep. But nope, they would never. Women make shit up all the time to frame innocent men. Any woman who says they're a rapist is a lying feminist whore. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 07:10 PM
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Incredible.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 07:08 PM
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It is a woman's responsibility to not rape her partner just as much as it is a man's. Yet it sounds like you think it's just as much (or more?) a person's responsibility to not get raped.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 07:05 PM
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(1) not selecting sex partners responsibly, So women being more selective would stop rape? I advocate all women stop selecting Red-Pillers and PUAs immediately. (2) not making their consent or lack of consent clear and unequivocal Women do. Red-Pillers and PUAs call it "last minute resistance" and will do whatever they think they can get away with to override it. (3) not taking firm, definitive, clear action consistent with their verbal statements Saying NO is enough. You want women to have to f…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 07:03 PM
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That is absolutely not my story to share.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 06:57 PM
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You're arguing that 1 in 5 men would violate a woman's sexual consent? Do you know that the men here commonly deride data showing 1 in 5 women has been raped as feminist propaganda and women lying?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 06:56 PM
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So women aren't allowed to refuse to be "seduced"?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 06:54 PM
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Rape of a drunk person very commonly involves the victim being unconscious or unable to speak.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 06:53 PM
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All consent laws do is provide yet another way for women to avoid responsibility for their actions. Why is the responsibility on the woman to not get raped and not on the man to not rape her? Seems like if anyone's trying to avoid responsibility for their actions, it's the men in this thread. No one gives a shit if a guy consents to sex. Women routinely laugh about men getting raped by female teachers etc. Consent law is purely framed around protecting women from themselves. Many people care, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 06:50 PM
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You think it's perfectly ethical and should be legal to beg a woman for sex until she gives up trying to say no?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 06:43 PM
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Nope. Both conditions have to be met. If both parties are very drunk but active in hooking up, they of course can't be raping each other. That's my person opinion, not quoting any laws.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 06:41 PM
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ItS cAlLeD sEdUcTiOn. Funny, whenever I point you that not all women want to be seduced by a man practicing seduction, they gloat that women can't even tell they're being seduced and that means seduction is super effective.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 06:39 PM
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Not too extreme at all. I completely agree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 06:37 PM
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All three are coercion and should be punished.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 06:35 PM
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Red-Piller: >brags about raping women >"women love to make that shit up just to get attention and more tangible benefits" You can't make this shit up.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 06:35 PM
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If a someone says no when she means yes, that's bad, of course. But if a someone tries to have sex with a someone after they said no, that's far worse. Society can speak out against women who do this, but men can also stop having sex with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 12:48 PM
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No. Drunk sex is rape when one party is too drunk to consent and the other person is doing things to them sexually.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 12:43 PM
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Women are not LIKE children and also fully functioning adults. You can't have it both ways. It seems like Red-Pillers only consider women adults when they're having sex with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 12:42 PM
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She's still trusting that he won't rape her.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 12:38 PM
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It doesn't matter if it's 99% of women, it's against the law to have sex with someone who says they don't want to have sex with you. And by your own admission, MOST women don't do this. I certainly never have. So is it worth the risk of being accused of attempting to rape her? Or actually raping her? That's the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 12:33 PM
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Thank you. How does the law define "non-consensual" in your area?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 12:29 PM
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he can't have sex with her but he's free to try and change her mind. Umm, no. No, he's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 12:28 PM
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I have sex with adults, I expect adults to have agency. Many Red-Pillers harp on about how women are exactly like children. I'm assuming you disagree then. Women are adults with just as much agency as men. Red-Pillers also frequently deny that women have agency.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 12:26 PM
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Because that's literally what you just said. Are you concerned about being accused of sexual assault by a sexual partner? You answered "Yes." How is sexual consent legally defined where you live? You answered "Don't know. Don't care."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 12:23 PM
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Correct. The laws vary depending on location. I find it interesting that not one person has touched on how sexual consent is defined in their area.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 12:19 PM
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Yes, women do turn down sex. And they deserve to have their answer respected. Any person who can't respect that is attempting to violate her consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 12:17 PM
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Lol no, why would you ever I've seen this brought up on Red Pill forums multiple times. I don't know how frequently it's done, but some have definitely admitted to doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 12:13 PM
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It's so hard to tell nowadays what is actual Red Pill and what is mocking Red Pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 12:11 PM
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You don't care about consent. But you care about getting accused of violating it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 12:09 PM
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I literally asked what the laws are in your area in my OP. Not one person has yet to answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 12:08 PM
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Exactly. And worse, they justify it as "women secretly want me to" and "I would get laid less if I didn't". Revolting.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 12:06 PM
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It's called seduction. It's called sexual coercion, actually. The U.S. government recognizes it as assault. Not all woman are dying to be seduced by you. Conversely I would like the point out the double standards of how a woman who had 3 glasses of wine can be "raped" but if your genitalia is different then you can drink a much as you want but always be the "rapist" Not it all. It all depends on which person is initiating sex, and that person can be male or female.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 12:03 PM
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Is stopping when someone resists sex that difficult of a concept to grasp? Even if one woman wants him to "overcome" her "token resistance" that doesn't mean ALL women do. Like I said, the entire argument boils down to, "If I always backed off when a woman says no, then I wouldn't get laid as much." If a woman presses charges over that, it's not going to look good for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 12:00 PM
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The U.S. government explains how sexual coercion can be a form of sexual violence. If you can only achieve "consent" by coercion, you haven't actually achieved consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 11:56 AM
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I'm pointing out that the argument is patently ridiculous, not that it will necessarily get to court.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 11:53 AM
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It does take an incredible amount of trust for a woman to have a sexual encounter with a man, correct. It's an unfortunate reality. Given this, it's crucial that men (but also people in general) are taught to be more respectful of consent than they currently are, but it's not a problem that can ever be totally eliminated.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 11:51 AM
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The U.S. government recognizes sexual coercion as a form of sexual violence. Please refrain from speaking to me as rudely as you're doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 11:48 AM
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The issue is that women want equality but don't want equal responsibility. The laws about sex and consent are mostly fine. Certain types of immature women have issues turning down sex so they want society to coddle them by changing the law and using vague terms like "coercion" Aren't men the ones not taking responsibility by blaming women for their actions? If they're making the choice to initiate sex, it's their responsibility to (1) ensure their partner consents, and (2) stop if she does not.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 11:44 AM
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The concept of consent is universal No, actually laws in different parts of the world can look pretty different. What's stopping you from looking up the law? I imagine that would take all of two minutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 11:39 AM
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He was threatened. A threat is a form of sexual coercion. Correct, there's not. Coercive rape is rape. Date rape is rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 11:34 AM
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Let me get this straight - you're concerned about being accused of sexual assault, but you never ask for consent and you don't know or care about sexual assault laws where you live?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 11:32 AM
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I could have ended up getting arrested (and I say that braggingly) I wouldn't. You think laws that define what sexual consent is are stupid and encourage false accusations? Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 11:27 AM
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I do know a straight man who was raped by coercion by a male rapist. Rape by coercion is usually date rape, not stranger rape, though. So if a man and woman are on a date (or are already dating) she likely finds him at least somewhat attractive, or they may be kissing or something like that. Rape by coercion is likelier to occur then.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 11:25 AM
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Yes. Laws regarding sexual assault and rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 11:02 AM
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Is this entire answer satire?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 11:00 AM
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I don't think that "If I always backed off when a woman says no, then I wouldn't get laid as much" is going to hold up in court.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 10:59 AM
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Right, unless your "dont be an asshole" includes having a weight preference or mentioning it in DMs. I've asked you for evidence of this, as I don't believe this to be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 01:22 AM
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Nope. Like I said, nowhere in Tinder's terms of services are body type preferences mentioned. Those terms of services seem perfectly reasonable to me. Don't be an asshole, and you won't get banned.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 12:20 AM
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No, nowhere in Tinder's terms of services are body type preferences mentioned.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/21 12:10 AM
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Please give specific examples with evidence. "It's a thing" proves nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/21 11:39 PM
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Thank you for saying this. I know many an average looking or below average looking man with dating and sex lives. The picture that Red-Pillers and Black-Pillers paint of sex and dating for the average man is nowhere near accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/21 07:54 PM
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If he explicitly states this on his online dating profile, he can be banned. There are also examples of men being banned for rejecting women because of her weight in OLD messaging too. Banned? Really? I wasn't aware that people could be banned on datings app for politely stating a weight preference, can you please show me specific instances of this?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/21 07:48 PM
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The Black Pill is even more delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 12:30 PM
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I was answering your question in a thorough manner. And I couldn't answer it as is because of the troll statements. I also didn't say "no limb", I said "missing limb". As I've said, a guy missing a limb doesn't stop me from finding him attractive. A guy missing all his limbs probably would. I still have no idea what you mean by "potato sack" or "only uses his penis to play videogames". Care to explain? Also, how can he be a virgin who has sex? Explain that one, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 12:19 PM
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no-limb I said he can be missing a limb or body part, yeah. He can also be in a wheelchair. I'll still swipe right if I like him. I've swiped right on multiple guys like this and I once had a crush on a guy with one leg. (He rejected me. I later found out he was gay.) potato sack I have no idea what you mean by this. virgin Yes, I literally just said that I like this. If he were ready to have sex with someone, that is. micropenis Wouldn't be a deal-breaker, correct. that only uses his penis to p…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 12:08 PM
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I can think of several things other people see as flaws/turnoffs in men that I don't inherently see as problematic. A few of these are things I like (*) or even require (**): short virgin or sexually inexperienced* promiscuous bisexual or has had gay sex* small penis missing limb mental health problems physical health problems much older much younger non-monogamous** lack of career success and/or ambition lack of social status lack of education poor bad credit no car (or crappy car) still lives …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 08:00 AM
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Why are you insisting that I ever said unconditional love is real? You materialized that out of thin air. So much for being all about "observation" and "data". Like I was saying before, who Red-Pillers think they are (highly rational thinkers who are adept at observing facts and interpreting data) and who Red-Pillers actually are (highly biased, highly irrational, and incapable of being swayed by facts and logic) are two vastly different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 05:27 AM
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Women generally care about their partner being financially responsible, correct. Women initiate more divorces, correct. Women initiating divorce more than men has nothing to do with whether or not love is real and whether or not love can be unconditional, so that's an odd conclusion to draw. None of that has to do with what we're talking about. Are you just trying to say some things Red-Pillers say are true? Of course some things are. They like to cherry-pick the least controversial things they …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 04:51 AM
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I'll let you in on a secret, then. What Red-Pillers think The Red Pill is and what The Red Pill actually is are two vastly different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 04:24 AM
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Wow, this post is fucking patronizing. Yes, I know what The Red Pill is, which is how I know how full of shit it is. How long ago did you discover The Red Pill? Because you sound like someone who got sucked in but doesn't really understand it, honestly. Or is at least INCREDIBLY naive about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 04:20 AM
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One of the redpill mantras is that women require plausible deniability to have sex with a man (or at least with a new man). That's a lie they tell themselves to justify lying to a woman so she'll have sex with them. They claim it's the "only way" and then fail to see how they're literally denying women of their agency and of giving informed consent. Instead, the redpill recommends that men suggest an innocuous activity - like watching a movie, checking out a pet, or listening to music. There's n…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 04:13 AM
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Sure, but I believe one can (and should) do this without seeing it as a game they either win or lose. If you don't meet your goals, then are you a loser? It's healthier (and more effective) for a person to be the best version of themselves by rewarding their successes but not beating themselves up for their failures. Focusing on improvement and not repeating mistakes has nothing to do with winning or losing a competition. It also reinforces the idea that if a person isn't the absolute best, then…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 07:37 PM
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You've stumbled across one of TRP's many catch-22s. Why do you think so many men who start off as Red-Pilled eventually become MGTOWs?
/r/ExRedPill07/09/21 10:51 AM
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You're welcome. Something I realized I completely glossed over is that, obviously, not all women are decent people either. So maybe a woman is dating some shitty misogynistic man but she's just as bad, if not worse, than he is.
/r/ExRedPill07/09/21 08:41 AM
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I'm not talking about prison inmates.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/21 10:20 PM
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https://www.livescience.com/58607-mens-looks-may-matter-more-than-personality.html Sample size: 80 daughters and 61 mothers. While this study is way too small to draw a conclusion about the population at large, it is essentially saying that physical appearance matters to women looking to date men. Which it absolutely does; no one is denying that. But I asked you to prove that "men are less shallow than women" and this study was only done on women, so there's no way to compare the genders with it…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/21 08:03 PM
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And yet the vast majority of men are getting laid, which points to women being less shallow, because they clearly don't care about looks then. Again, I requested evidence, not your personal rationalizations.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/21 07:14 PM
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Thank you for bringing that up, as that's also a very important thing to consider.
/r/ExRedPill06/09/21 07:11 PM
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Yes, I sorted by Top to see how upvoted each comment was. The point is, "lose weight fatty" is rude, insulting, unhelpful, and never an appropriate response to something like what the OP posted. If overweight men are receiving these types of comments when they post something similar (is there evidence of this or is this speculation?), that doesn't make them any more okay. Also, this doesn't really have anything to do with my initial claim that "women get told they're shallow, picky, and have unr…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/21 06:57 PM
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I requested evidence, not your personal rationalizations.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/21 01:35 PM
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That's okay, not a problem. So I've been thinking lately about a person's possibility of finding people to date and what determines it. I want to clarify, in no uncertain terms, that this is a VAST oversimplification. I know incels tend to see things in black and white when the world is extremely gray and nuanced, and I don't want to promote an unhealthy way of thinking. These are simply my thoughts, oversimplified. A person's attractiveness as a dating partner largely boils down to two main thi…
/r/ExRedPill06/09/21 01:28 PM
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I don't think it's at all healthy to view the entirety of life as a competition you either win or lose (who are you even competing against?), but whatever works for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/21 10:34 AM
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Can you provide your sources so others can read them, too?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/21 10:32 AM
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If you treat dating and relationships like a game, you've already lost.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/21 10:15 AM
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FDS wouldn't surprise me, as they're the female counterpart to TRP. They were created in direct response to TRP's open misogyny, so they decided to be openly misandrist. Datingoverthirty I also don't frequent, so I went to the first post I saw which is a post about how a man didn't respect a woman's sexual consent. So surely at least some of the commenters are going to be calling men creepy pigs, right? Nope. I didn't see one commenter make a generalization about all men being like that. They ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/21 10:13 AM
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What are they then? Feminists? You see any incels promoting gender equality and refusing to generalize women?
/r/ExRedPill06/09/21 10:01 AM
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Of course.
/r/ExRedPill06/09/21 09:59 AM
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Watched the first video on the first YouTube channel, "A Summary of the Blackpill Ideology". He just keeps making untrue, sweeping generalizations about women based on nothing but their gender alone. You seriously don't see how that's misogynistic?
/r/ExRedPill06/09/21 09:59 AM
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First and crucial mistake: Thinking of dating like a game.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/21 09:34 AM
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She didn't ask about how to change, so why would commenters be telling her how to change? The commenters are just saying that plenty of fat people date, and they're right. They do. I'm failing to see the issue here. And you're wrong. You falsely claimed the top comments are all supportive and telling her not to change. Firstly, I don't see any comments along the lines of "don't change who you are!" like you claimed. Secondly, one of the top comments says "Well, there is a way to fix that..." wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/21 09:26 AM
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Where's your evidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/21 09:15 AM
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bare minimum When the bare minimum in your eyes is not being fat as opposed to, I don't know, being a decent person, that's where the problem lies. If she posted saying she treats men poorly and was then wondering if anyone would like her, we'd see different responses entirely. She's also not expressing any criteria or standards or anything like that (actually, she says she gives everyone who shows interest a chance), so why would she be accused of being too picky? She's just someone who feels d…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/21 09:03 AM
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women have less reason to take to anonymous forums to say these things - yet they still do and in greater numbers than men. That's not true in the slightest. Where are all these forums where women call all men shallow, creepy pigs? I see men calling all women shallow, picky, and unrealistic all the time. Look at this very subreddit, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/21 08:59 AM
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There are a lot of different ways people are manipulative, disingenuous, and hide their true colors. Facades are harder to keep up the longer two people get to know each other; however, the more a person is invested the more difficult it will probably be for them to leave. They may keep giving them the benefit of the doubt for far too long. Also, women are unfortunately taught they have to put up with a lot of shit - including sexist and disrespectful behavior - from men. Like the ideas that men…
/r/ExRedPill06/09/21 08:54 AM
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No. No they don’t. Unless you forgot to type “on the Internet”, which is, news flash, not real life. Online communication is a central tenet of modern life, and yes, real life. Are you saying any form of communication that wasn't a face to face conversation simply doesn't count? If anything, people are far more likely to reveal their true colors behind a phone or computer screen. Lol. Ok nevermind. That’s a complete disconnection from objective reality. 🤦🏻‍♂️ I could accuse you of exactly the sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/21 08:46 AM
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Oh, that was you. Yeah, you posted a rant that breaks one of the rules of that subreddit. Rule 4 prohibits people from soapboxing and promoting an agenda, and even specifically tells posters they can't post Red Pill shit. Also, your entire premise was false, seeing as women get told they're shallow, picky, and have unrealistic standards ALL the time. More often than men, it seems. Also, poor writing quality and random capitalization of words.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/21 08:04 AM
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Better at hiding it.
/r/ExRedPill06/09/21 07:55 AM
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Yes. The vast majority of posts and comments on incels.is are shockingly hateful towards women, POC, and/or LGBT people. Pretty much every single incel subreddit has been banned by Reddit for the exact same thing. May I ask why you identify as an incel? And what your personal beliefs are on women and dating in as much detail as you'd like to share?
/r/ExRedPill06/09/21 07:32 AM
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This whole post is a complete strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/21 07:07 AM
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How much misogyny is acceptable to you? I'd say none, although I understand the occasional troll or two. And if someone does make a misogynistic comment, it should be called out, downvoted, and deleted by a mod. This is not what I see happening in incel subreddits or groups by any stretch of the imagination. And yes, many "normal" guys are misogynistic, too. Sexism is mainstream, unfortunately. But the most hateful and violent shit comes from incels.
/r/ExRedPill06/09/21 06:44 AM
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Yeah, and it's a shockingly high percentage.
/r/ExRedPill06/09/21 06:22 AM
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Maybe I'm only aware of the incel communities that commonly do. Can you point me to the incel communities that don't contain misogyny?
/r/ExRedPill06/09/21 06:21 AM
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Has there ever been a group of men who identified as incels who harbored no ill-will towards women? Every single online incel community I've seen harbored resentment and hate towards women, and usually that hate included saying things like they deserved to be raped or killed. And I do encourage them to get help and have provided help on IncelExit. The ones actively trying to leave the community seem to be some of the only ones not being openly hateful.
/r/ExRedPill06/09/21 05:52 AM
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Two words: Revenge fantasy.
/r/ExRedPill06/09/21 04:32 AM
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Hahaha. Because that's so much better?
/r/ExRedPill06/09/21 04:30 AM
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Why can't he just say "virgin"? And why is he using his virginity status and whether or not he feels he can obtain sex as an identity in the first place? Why is that label so important to him, despite him knowing the way most incels feel about women? And what have TERFs said and done that's even close to being as hateful as the things incels routinely say and do? Also, liberal feminists do differentiate themselves from radical feminists and vice versa. Just like, despite virgins and incels both …
/r/ExRedPill06/09/21 04:27 AM
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Why would he choose to willingly associate himself with a group who commonly endorses views like women being subhuman “foids”, “holes”, and “toilets”; believing women let their dogs fuck them; believing women should all live in sexual slavery; believing girls are most sexually desirable before puberty as that’s when they’re only minimally corrupted; and is considered a terrorist group due to a pattern of misogyny-motivated mass murders?
/r/ExRedPill06/09/21 04:02 AM
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Between the late 2000s and early 2010s was considered the "tipping point" as to when Manosphere communities moved from the fringes of the Internet towards the mainstream. I was thinking it had something to do with the Manosphere, so I don't think that's coincidence. Many women - in fact, I'd say most - are trying to avoid PUA/RP/incel types. The more visibility they get, the more women know to look out for them and how. I also considered the popularity of swipe-based dating apps could have contr…
/r/ExRedPill06/09/21 03:53 AM
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I'm asking for context. He's given zero detail, and this is not a question that can be answered - at least not well - with no context.
/r/ExRedPill06/09/21 03:36 AM
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Can you provide data on how much it's risen by and since when it's been rising? As well as data that female virginity is not doing the same thing?
/r/ExRedPill06/09/21 03:04 AM
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Very little of what they say makes any logical sense whatsoever. Yes, they always quote that one OkCupid article (which also showed that women on that site were interacting with way more than just 20% of men) and also refer to the Pareto principle of economics (which says that 80% of consequences come from 20% of the causes and has literally nothing to do with what they're talking about).
/r/ExRedPill06/09/21 01:25 AM
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"Celibate" or "virgin" is vastly different from "incel". Incels have their own deeply misogynistic ideology that is dangerous and violent. If a man is simply a virgin (whether by choice or not), but has no such disdain for women, he should not be calling himself an incel.
/r/ExRedPill06/09/21 12:49 AM
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People use it to describe someone who holds views consistent with the incel ideology. Like despising women, wanting to be violent towards women, thinking women owe them sex, complaining that women only date the very top men and that's why they can't get laid, thinking women deserve to be raped for being promiscuous, seeing no problem with girls being statutorily raped, etc.
/r/ExRedPill06/09/21 12:45 AM
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Yeah, the level of lubrication a woman produces can vary greatly. Some women feel they never need artificial lube, some women feel they always do, and for many women it depends. Definitely a reason to thank your body if you never need it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/21 10:41 PM
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Condoms usually increase friction and decrease natural lubrication. A good lube can counteract this, but most cheap lubes are not pH-balanced and can cause a woman irritation, as well as feel goopy and sticky. The solution is to buy a better quality lube, but even those can be irritating to a very sensitive body.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/21 09:17 PM
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They think they're high-functioning adults, but women are mentally young children. They think they're highly logical and rational thinkers, but women are driven by their whims and "fee-fees". They think they're fiercely independent, but women are mindless lemmings. They think they're strong and powerful leaders, but women can't even dress themselves without a male opinion. They think they always take full accountability for their actions, but women never do. They also highly benefit from a world…
/r/ExRedPill05/09/21 09:07 PM
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I understand where she's coming from. Men commonly complain they don't receive compliments like women do. Some men say they've never been complimented in their life. As a woman, I've received many a compliment from friends, acquaintances, and strangers alike. Some men envy women in that regard, especially that complete strangers (both male and female) will stop to compliment them. Yet, she's completely right in that it makes sense for women to avoid giving compliments to male strangers given the…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/21 08:50 PM
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"Perennial promise" since 2000? So you're implying that since 2000, when I was a prepubescent elementary schooler, I not only knew what abortion was but was planning to leave the country if a ban was enacted. Sound argument. And way to ignore the vast majority of my comment all so you could accuse me of being "self-interested" when you've displayed a complete failure to accept any viewpoint that doesn't most benefit your own self-interest time and time again. Go ahead and address my points inste…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/21 08:40 PM
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Option A is ideal, and as for Option B, I'd leave the country if that came to fruition. Yet they're both "acceptable outcomes" in your mind. It's amusing how you claim those are the only outcomes, when in the US neither of those is how the system currently works. How the system currently works (we'll call this Option C) is there are restrictions on abortion and both parents financially support the child (the father pays child support regardless of whether or not he wanted the pregnancy). It's no…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/21 08:10 PM
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If you'll excuse my unsolicited advice, I would definitely see an OB/GYN about that. Even if I wasn't planning on being sexually active in the near future, that is not a typical reaction and there could very well be an underlying health issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/21 07:56 PM
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You literally said that women being forced to give birth is "Fine by me 🤷‍♂". Your words. Not mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/21 07:51 PM
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Yes they hurt like a bitch. It stings and by the time it's over your insides are aching and your outsides are swollen and red and irritated This isn't normal. That sounds like a latex allergy. The only other thing I can think of is you're having a reaction to the lube that condom manufacturers use (which is often very cheap and silicone-based) or there isn't enough lube being used in the first place. But the fact that even externally you're getting that reaction screams latex allergy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/21 07:49 PM
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In other words, you want women to be forced to give birth to children they don't want. Because you don't give a shit about what women go through so long as you're not personally affected. It's almost like you hate women or something. Although, to be fair, I'd long ago gleaned you're a misogynist from your other comments on this subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/21 07:43 PM
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So why would the man go to jail for a woman aborting her pregnancy or giving a baby up for adoption? Also, once again, it's cute how you somehow think having a child doesn't change and affect a woman for the rest of her life just because the child is adopted after. Welp, not abortion for much longer Is that funny to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/21 07:31 PM
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Cute that you somehow think having a child doesn't change and affect a woman for the rest of her life.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/21 07:21 PM
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If I were ever given the option between 9 months of jail and 9 months of pregnancy and childbirth, that would be the easiest decision in the world. Sign me up for jail.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/21 07:02 PM
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She never once stated nor implied it was. Seems like you're the one looking to whine with how badly you want to interpret anything a woman says as man-attacking.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/21 06:58 PM
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Ah yes, because a woman sharing what some men have told her is her attacking men. /s Maybe stop falsely accusing women of being man "attackers"?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/21 06:54 PM
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I compliment men all the time, but then again, I'm not usually giving them to complete strangers. It hasn't backfired yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/21 04:57 AM
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would a widespread trend toward non-monogamy cause significant negative ramifications in society? I think it would definitely piss off the more regressive members of our society while the more progressive people would be fine with it, but that's a sign you're on the right path. Do you believe either monogamy or non-monogamy is more "natural"? Definitely non-monogamy. Unfortunately, we're all just taught from birth to strive to be monogamous, that it's the most admirable and really the only way t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/21 12:19 AM
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Because in homosexual sexual encounters, both partners typically orgasm. Heterosexual encounters, not so much. And no, I don't think bi men are inherently more or less feminine than straight men nor do I care if they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/21 06:59 PM
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You have a lot of nerve replying to my comment when three days ago you sent me an unsolicited DM that was a personalized essay about all the reasons rape isn't that bad and told me "of course you deserve to be raped" if I'm "provoking lonely men" by being an "immodestly dressed slut". Do not reply to my comments nor DM me ever again. You've already harassed me enough and something tells me you wouldn't dare say that shit to a woman's face if your identity weren't conveniently protected behind a …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/21 12:43 PM
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Do you really feel you’ve been with enough bi and straight men to draw this conclusion? Nope, I absolutely haven't. Merely stating my belief based on my limited life experiences and knowledge about the orgasm gap, and extrapolating from there. Seems like a stereotype too about one specific type of bi man. I doubt the guys who bust cheeks during a prison sentence are all too concerned with a woman’s orgasm when they get out. What are you even talking about? Prison rape? I'm not talking about pris…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/21 05:49 AM
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I honestly have no idea. Ask some straight men. I have a theory though. We live in a deeply sexist society that is woefully lacking in sex education. Men are raised to believe their sexual pleasure matters and that women’s doesn’t really.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/21 01:39 AM
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I believe bisexual men are more likely to realize the importance of their partner's orgasm than heterosexual men. So yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/21 12:24 AM
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Why are you so angry?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/21 09:19 PM
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Is the woman in the Tinder profile the same woman who commented on Reddit? If so, you have exactly one example of a woman doing this. If not, you have no argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/21 07:31 PM
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All of these guys seem conveniently forget that they have a mother, sisters, grandmothers. The notion of not caring about women (or indeed just people) but still wanting to be respected for logical thinking capabilities is a bit weird to me. Have you seen the threads on TRP asking its members to reflect on any women in their life who aren't "like that" (as in, all 30+ terrible things they claim all women are)? They either say no women ever, or only their own mother. And even then, other commente…
/r/ExRedPill02/09/21 10:06 AM
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Neither do women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/21 05:31 AM
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I'm not answering your question because it's an ad hominem, a common example of intellectual dishonesty. Address the point, not the person. Hence why I asked you to present your counterargument.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/21 01:38 AM
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Once again, Google is your friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 09:11 AM
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That's not why at all. Educate yourself on the why before you just spew bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 09:10 AM
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So you don't believe me? I don't expect you to just take my word for it, of course, but a quick Google search can confirm exactly what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 08:54 AM
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I'm not talking about men in general, I'm talking about Red Pillers.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 08:38 AM
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Why do you think feminism has never gone after it? Is it maybe because it employs so many women? Huh? A lot of feminists are anti-porn. Did you not know this?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 08:35 AM
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You've just proved my point that women are blamed for men's bad behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 08:34 AM
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This is the last place in the world you want to ask men for dating and sex advice. Red Pill men are misogynists who view women as nothing more than sexual conquests. They openly admit to leaving morality out of their sexual strategy because they'll do whatever it takes to get laid - so long as there are no negative consequences for them, of course. They think women are the scum of the planet and are almost always to blame for men's bad behavior. They do not have your best interests at heart.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 08:13 AM
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Was there a counterargument somewhere in there? Let's hear it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 08:07 AM
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That's appreciated. Too many men, including almost every Red Pill man I've interacted with, do not. I think it's extremely important that men care about women's issues and that women care about men's issues. Mainstream to me means views that are normal, conventional, and shared by many (but not always most) people.
/r/ExRedPill01/09/21 07:27 AM
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Imagine thinking one needs to be a doctor to realize that if a man is committing suicide over his girlfriend being "dirtier" with her ex, he's the one with the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 07:05 AM
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A lot of guys (and several psychiatrists I know) attest to the fact that one of the most traumatic things that can happen to a young man is having some kind of sexual problem in a relationship, only to find out that the girl he loved was way more sexual with someone else. Whether it's a girl who was frigid with him then immediately slept with some random guy after they broke up, or learning his partner did dirtier things with exes than she did with him, or whatever. It can cut incredibly deep, m…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 01:44 AM
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That's your prerogative. I can't force you to confront the fact that you just publicly admitted that you lie whenever it suits you.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 10:39 PM
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You just admitted you're dishonest whenever it suits you. Did you not? Are you going to be dishonest now because it "suits you" to lie?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 10:29 PM
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That's what I thought. You're merely projecting. You're dishonest when it suits you so you conclude everyone else must be as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 10:25 PM
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Are you dishonest?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 09:42 PM
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Yes, society has always been pretty "red-pilled" without formally identifying with The Red Pill. Feminism has helped to counter that, thankfully.
/r/ExRedPill31/08/21 07:44 PM
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It's not. I don't choose to surround myself with people like that. That doesn't mean I don't hear and read that stuff all the time from strangers and acquaintances, though.
/r/ExRedPill31/08/21 07:41 PM
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The mainstream views shared by TRP are often the misogynistic ones. I'm going to assume you're a man and that perhaps you don't particularly notice nor care about the mainstream misogyny that women face. As a woman, I do. I couldn't ignore it even if I wanted to, unfortunately.
/r/ExRedPill31/08/21 07:39 PM
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I didn't say anyone is cheering when a man makes the claim that he slept with 100 women. I'm saying that men brag about being successful with women frequently. To their friends. To other women. To strangers. Online. I see it all the time. We're on a sub called exredpill, so is it safe to say you've been on TRP? And have you seen them brag about that? Write up detailed "field reports" and congratulate each other for having sex? Talk about how successful they allegedly are now that they've swallow…
/r/ExRedPill31/08/21 07:36 PM
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It may or may not be "most people" depending on where you live. Regardless, an idea does not have to be held by "most people" to be mainstream. For instance, no mainstream American political party (Democrat, Republican, Independent) is held by most Americans, yet all three are certainly mainstream.
/r/ExRedPill31/08/21 07:31 PM
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Ha, Red Pillers are predictable. Arguing with you guys isn’t even fun after a while. I hear the "liar" accusation parroted by Red Pillers every single time someone says something they don’t like. Every single time someone dares to disagree with the echo chamber that is TRP. Surely Red Pillers aren’t projecting because they’re full of shit themselves, surely it just so happens that every single person on the planet is a liar except for the Red Pill man who only sees and speaks the biotruths. All …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 09:22 AM
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Whether or not an idea is mainstream or fringe is a completely different topic from whether or not an idea is true or false. Make sense?
/r/ExRedPill31/08/21 08:43 AM
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You’ve never heard a man brag about being successful with women? Really? Really??
/r/ExRedPill31/08/21 08:38 AM
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Though I personally disagree with every example, my point was not to argue on the accuracy of each example. My point was that these are all mainstream ideas that are also considered Red-Pilled by TRP.
/r/ExRedPill31/08/21 07:34 AM
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Not at all. That’s a lie Red Pillers tell to reel you in and keep you coming back to their content. Slut-shaming, victim-blaming, and misogyny in general are definitely mainstream views. Believing women love assholes, cockiness, “bad boys”, dominance, players, etc. - and that nice guys finish last. Believing looks are the single most important thing in dating. Sexist double standards, like women who sleep around are sluts and men who sleep around are studs. Shaming sex workers and blaming women …
/r/ExRedPill31/08/21 07:19 AM
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Define "redpill" thinking. A lot of what TRP considers "redpill" thinking is actually very mainstream.
/r/ExRedPill31/08/21 06:23 AM
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Some women do self-identify as incels though, for the same reasons some men do. If there are male incels, then there are female incels. If female incels don't exist, then neither do male incels. You can't claim just women can't be incels because they can find people to have sex with when that's the exact same argument given to male incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 06:19 AM
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No, it doesn't at all. I'm fully aware that women generally have a larger pool of potential sexual parters, of course. That's not what I'm arguing. And who says they have to be women? If someone of the same sex is willing to have sex with you, you cannot say no one is interested in having sex with you just because you are not interested in them. Also, prostitution exists. Also, many self-described incels admit they do receive female interest, it's just not from women they desire. Some even take …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 03:02 AM
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I'm talking about judging someone's value or worth, not judging someone as simply being more attractive or less attractive than someone else. And to tell you the truth, I've not once noticed that politicians in the US tend to be clean-shaven. TIL.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 02:23 AM
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There is also no such thing as a male incel. Everyone could find someone on the planet willing to have sex with them, they just have certain standards and required circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 02:18 AM
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So what does that tell you?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 01:08 AM
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I, too, recall seeing men with deformities and severe disabilities with girlfriends. Your point makes no sense. I also know plenty of average looking men, even below average looking men, even below average looking short men, who have done just fine in the relationship and casual sex departments. So no, I don't buy that "for guys just getting an average girl in your 20s is like solving a rubix cube with your nipples".
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 12:12 AM
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Yes, Red Pillers are often full of shit. Tell me something I don't know. However, I struggle to see how one woman with one more attractive partner means no woman has any problems dating whatsoever. I'm sure even the woman in your anecdote has dating problems. Everyone does.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 09:32 PM
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Yes, that's true. Society needs to make it easier on victims to report, that's for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 01:59 PM
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For the fourth or fifth time now - no, I don't. Someone's worth or value is not determined by how physically attractive I find them. Do you think a straight man - especially a deeply misogynistic one - views all women as above all men because he finds one group attractive and not the other? I have no bias towards men with facial hair, nor am I aware of any bias towards men like this in the United States. If you have any actual evidence of this, feel free to present it, as a few rich or powerful …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 03:43 AM
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And your evidence for your claims that 0% of men practice hypergamy and that just about 100% of women practice hypergamy are where?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 03:17 AM
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The accepted TRP definition of hypergamy is in the OP. So the non-gendered definition is the urge to procreate with those above them across social hierarchies, correct? What percentage of men practice hypergamy? That's like asking what percentage of woman have a womb. Essentially all women. Maybe not literally all women, but enough to make it definitional. So not being hypergamous is like a birth defect? That what you're arguing?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 03:05 AM
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You'd leave your hypothetical husband if he didn't shave? Or you'd stop having sex with a man you were sexually active with if he stopped shaving? Did I say that? No. I find it difficult to impossible to be attracted to men with full beards or mustaches or other facial hair styles. If I man I was sexually active with grew a beard or mustache, I'd most likely wait to see him again until after he shaved it off. If a man I was in a committed relationship with grew a beard or mustache, I'd try to se…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 02:51 AM
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Do not insinuate that I'm lying or not "being real with [my]self" because I have a different worldview than you. I'll try one last time to explain this to you using an example. I am not attracted to men with facial hair. I can be attracted to a man when he's clean-shaven, for example, and not attracted to the same man when he has a beard or mustache. Do you seriously think I view the man with facial hair as "beneath" the clean-shaven man? And seeing as how it's sometimes the same guy, how can on…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 02:00 AM
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Of course not, but what you're saying is not a fact. You can't even make up your mind as to what the "facts" are. First you claim it's all women, then you claim it's 99% of women. So what statement of "fact" are you claiming here? I.e., what percentage of women are hypergamous? And what percentage of men? Lastly, what is your personal definition of "hypergamous"?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 01:55 AM
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"99% of women are hypergamous (and men are not)" is not a "biological fact", it's a rationalization of your misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 12:42 AM
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You're grasping at straws that literally do not even exist. I cannot make it any more clear that I do not view certain people as "below" me or anyone else. Maybe you think that people you don't find unattractive are beneath you and others, but I do not. Is that it? Are you simply projecting here?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/21 12:39 AM
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I especially love how they invent all these different ways of ranking male attractiveness and then blame women for inventing them!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 11:37 PM
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Wow, look at that. I guess the other 3,904,727,341 women on the planet all do this (because apparently all of them have told you so!), and you just happen to be speaking to the 1 woman who doesn’t! What are the odds? /s Women are not a monolith. Red Pillers refuse to be treated as a monolith, yet somehow think it's acceptable to treat a population of 3.9 billion individuals as one. So please stop insinuating that you know how every woman on the planet operates, especially me. I can’t stop you fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 11:23 PM
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Again, not true. He probably just has features (physical or personality-wise) that I’m not attracted to. Again, I do not rank men as “below” or “above” me, and certainly not for the reason of how attracted I am to them. In fact, I routinely find that some of the men I’d have sex with are considered less conventionally attractive than some of the men who I would not. Not surprising to me, though. What I find a turn off may be another woman’s turn on and vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 11:21 PM
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Probably 80%. Me and most other men. Meanwhile, women would be willing to sleep with maybe 1% of single men on this planet who shows interest (from the perspective of an average American woman). This is the difference between polygamy and hypergamy. Men find more women attractive than women find men attractive, of course. The reasons behind this (both the biological and social ones) make sense. That is not evidence for polygamy or hypergamy, however. And while we're on the topic of the average A…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 09:36 PM
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What "bunch of hypergamy boxes" do women require men to check before dating/having sex with them, in your opinion? Do all women do this?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 08:11 PM
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I've even seen people on this subreddit make the shockingly absurd argument that men are also hypergamous because men "want the best woman they can get". "Shockingly absurd", really? Men do. Everyone does. How do you possibly disagree with this? Are you willing to sleep with every single woman on this planet who shows you interest? The only reason a man would do that is if he had no options he was actually attracted to. As soon as he has options he's attracted to, he chooses them over the ones h…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 08:08 PM
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sex became readily available to you and now it takes you no zero effort to find a sex partner you want. (the same way it is for women seeking men for sex) False. Finding a sex partner I want absolutely takes time and effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 08:28 AM
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First you said it "was clearly a joke" and now you say you "can see why" some people support eugenics based on IQ. You've contradicted yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 05:33 AM
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I don’t think that’s the main reason, no. Seeing as the majority of rape victims know their rapist I think the main reason there’s not enough evidence to convict is because the rapist lies and says the sex was consensual.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/21 05:31 AM
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Nope, that's not what happened at all, but no surprise whatsoever that fellow Red Pillers tried to spin it that way. She told him she was not having sex with him before any sort of physical activity that night, and he pretended to agree while ignoring her and physically/sexually escalating to sex anyway and it got to the point where she literally asked if he was raping her. Read my comments on it here, including a screenshot where you can see the deleted post and decide for yourself. And the com…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/21 06:47 AM
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Sure thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/21 06:06 AM
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I was talking to a guy on this sub 9 days ago who agreed he'd force himself on a woman, then when I pointed out that's rape, he said he'd never do that, just have sex with her after she said no, then when I again pointed out that's rape, he said it wasn't. How is that "out of context" or me "shaming" him?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/21 05:29 AM
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First off, in over 99% of rapes the perp does not even get convicted. So there's a 99%+ chance a rapist gets away with rape. Secondly, rapists typically serve much shorter sentences than 10+ years. What percentage of rapists actually serve sentences that long? Brock Turner was actually convicted and only served 3 months, for example. Thirdly, even if they do serve 10+ years, that is a direct result of their bad actions. The victim going through what they go through is NOT a result of their actio…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/21 02:59 AM
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Yes, I read my comments. Why are you struggling so much to read them, too? First, I said Trump was elected "after all his misogynistic views and sexual assaults were brought to light". That is factually accurate. Second, I said more men voted for Trump than women. That is also factually accurate. I NEVER said only men voted for Trump or that Trump was elected only by men. That is NOT factually accurate. By contrast, you said "white women always voted for Trump". That is NOT factually accurate, e…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/21 02:56 AM
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They're referring to having to file a police report in which you may not even be believed, having to give up your clothing as evidence, a expensive hospital visit in which painful and humiliating medical procedures are administered (holding one's urine in, receiving antibiotics for STIs that can cause extreme nausea, treating painful injuries, receiving a rape kit that the police may just throw out, having your genitals examined and painfully swabbed and photographed) that you are expected to pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/21 01:19 AM
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I'm looking at the harassment women face from men compared to the harassment men face from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/21 01:03 AM
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An example of male privilege is being able to walk past a group of men without being justifiably concerned that they'll harass you for your sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/21 09:36 PM
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Many men on this sub (and not just this sub) routinely defend rape (usually bringing up false reasons why a rape doesn't count as rape) and blame the victim (usually pointing out how it's her fault, too).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/21 09:33 PM
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I brought it up as an example of when women are unfairly blamed for the actions of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/21 09:32 PM
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Point me to where I said only men voted for Trump. I'll wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/21 09:29 PM
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That's completely disingenuous and you know it. If only women's votes were counted, Trump would never have been elected. Men were far more likely to vote for Trump than women were. I'm sure you know that, though. Also, you literally just proved my point that women are routinely blamed for men's actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 10:10 PM
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I could retort with "lol white privilege" but something tells me you don't believe that exists, either....
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 12:25 PM
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So society telling men to be more accepting of fat women is an actual problem, while a woman being blamed for her abuse and rape is not?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 12:19 PM
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Oh man, the fact that you think only a "few dudes on the internet" hold these views... male privilege at its best. In case I haven't clarified enough, these views are prevalent in society. I wouldn't waste my time if it were just a "few dudes on the Internet" saying mean things. Something tells me you know you and other Red Pillers hold these views, but think your views are super fringe. They're not. Men are not all sitting around jerking off all day (that's quite the sexist assumption) while th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 12:17 PM
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Nothing could be further from the truth. It's the exact opposite. That's like claiming white people face far more racism than Black people. I'd actually think you were a troll if I didn't know what subreddit I was on.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 12:09 PM
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This is just a "no you" of a post. People will blame the other gender no matter what happens however where does MOST of the blame go and what way does society tend to swing? Most of the blame goes towards women, of course. Do MOST people say it's okay to sexually assault women because they are wearing a miniskirt? No. Do those people can publicly vilified and cancelled? Yes. Society Sides with women in everything you've listed here. you're taking outlying attitudes and treating them as though th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 12:07 PM
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Yet when men point out the problems they face they're never accused of "victimhood whoring". Thanks for reminding me of another example to add to the list!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 11:09 AM
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So you're saying men secretly think these things yet don't have the guts to say them. You're right, they do. That's actually far, far worse for women as they can't easily recognize the sexist guys until they show them through their actions. Yet you JUST claimed that these views are only the case online but not real life for women. So you basically just tried to gaslight me into thinking men aren't actually this sexist when you just admitted that they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 11:01 AM
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And you do not think that what people post on the Internet has ANY reflection on how they think when they're not posting?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 10:37 AM
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Oh, absolutely. There are SO many examples I left out - I just got tired of writing, honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 09:57 AM
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Both men and women face sexism, of course. The fact that male domestic violence victims are not taken seriously is a perfect example. But I do not think you are aware of just how much sexism women face if you've never noticed: -a qualified woman being accused of only getting a difficult position because she's a woman, because she's attractive, and/or because she "slept her way to the top" (Does Kamala Harris ring a bell?) -people justifying a rapist's actions, blaming the victim, and/or saying s…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 08:05 AM
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Haha, what? Are you serious? You just accused me of living in a bubble, and you have no idea what bubble that even is? Accept that as a woman, I'm going to have much better awareness of sexism that women face than you have as a man. You do not have a leg to stand on about what my lived experiences as a woman are like.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 07:53 AM
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Which social bubble is that?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 07:41 AM
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Women could avoid those problems if they avoided men - in the same way that MGTOW avoid women. The fact that you can actually think this is such a blatant example of male privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 07:40 AM
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Are you referring to TRP?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 07:36 AM
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You have it all wrong. Women are blamed for the problems of men way more often than the reverse. If a woman gets a high-paying job or place in a competitive school over a man, it's only because of affirmative action, not because she actually deserved it. If a woman gets abused by man, it's her fault for not vetting well enough. If she gets abused again, it's her fault for only dating assholes. If a woman gets raped by a date, it's her fault for not vetting well enough or for leading him on. If a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 07:24 AM
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Non-Terps call Terps exactly the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 09:39 AM
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We're told that being nice is the sexiest thing there is You're told that being kind is important to most people, which it is. Studies have shown men and women alike value kindness most highly in a partner than any other trait. that women hate assholes Most women don't want an "asshole", correct. Which is why most "assholes" hide who they are early in the dating process and only let their true colors show later - once the woman gets attached to them - and use gaslighting and other manipulation t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 08:54 AM
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The Red Pill is an entire philosophy/cult based on a lie. Ironically, the lie is that men have been lied to their entire lives about female nature and Red Pillers see the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 08:14 AM
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I largely disagree with the concept of "SMV", first of all. There are people who are generally more attractive and people who are generally less attractive, but there are no universally agreed upon standards. Women especially show a greater variation in what they consider attractive in a man than men do in women. You cannot have high "SMV" in all women's eyes like TRP likes to think. Even having high "SMV" in many women's eyes does not stop other men from sleeping with the woman you like nor doe…
/r/ExRedPill24/08/21 01:02 AM
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Can you explain how seeing an anecdote like this would get you into TRP? Are you afraid of being like OP?
/r/ExRedPill24/08/21 12:31 AM
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Women like to advertise any of their single friends (though usually it's the less attractive ones that need the help) as Gods' gift to men, and will try to set them up with any guy who will listen. They do?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 12:28 AM
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Noticeable difference in attraction level (by your standards) does not mean that the less attractive (by your standards) person has "ridiculous standards". What is the less attractive person supposed to do, just not date a person they're interested in who is also interested in them?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 11:46 PM
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Correct, The Red Pill is an imaginary concept. Invented by the Wachowski sisters for their fiction screenplay, then bastardized into a different imaginary concept that self-described Red Pillers know it as today.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 11:38 PM
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I don't understand how the first woman you mentioned (your coworker) had any sort of observable standard? Why are you assuming she only likes tall men just because her BF happens to be tall? Especially when you say she flirts with multiple short men? I don't really know anyone else's standards besides the occasional demanding OLD bio I come across. I don't actually know what any of my friends' standards are, male or female. Some of them have preferences, like I have a female friend who typically…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 09:05 AM
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There is no "blue pill", it's something Red Pillers made up. In fact, The Blue Pill is just a subreddit mocking The Red Pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 08:53 AM
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It is very messed up, especially that insulting someone's appearance is a go-to insult for many people. I'm sorry your friend was bullied. Bullying is always a reflection on the bully, not the victim. Don't be too hard on yourself either, what's important is that you've now learned to speak up for others.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 08:19 AM
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Of course women are capable of empathizing with men they don't find attractive. Generally speaking, women are better empathizers than men. This question feels downright insulting. Like when RPers claim women can't feel empathy, but they themselves feel no empathy whatsoever. Maybe you didn't mean it like that, but you're on a subreddit discussing RP topics, so surely you're aware they're constantly doing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 08:16 AM
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What a disgusting thing to say. Whether you're joking or not, there are people out there who unironically believe that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 08:13 AM
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If anything, a girl being "real" and attainable in real life makes her even more attractive vs. having a celebrity crush on someone who you'll never even meet, let alone have a relationship with. I don't think that's true at all. Boys/men and girls/women alike fantasize and obsess over attractive celebrities. You don't think attractive female celebrities get creepy fan mail, harassed, stalked, threatened, and nude photos leaked? If anything, your comparison just shows that female sexual attentio…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 01:39 PM
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Nope.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 10:20 AM
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It is morally reprehensible, actually. Not as bad as cheating on your partner, but I cannot comprehend someone seeing no moral problem with participating in someone else's cheating. Have some integrity.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 10:19 AM
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There is a reason why I used the example of a 13-year-old boy. A petite woman has a similar height and weight. Her brain is more mature, but her body is physically that size. Perhaps even less strong physically than the 13-year-old boy is. And just like little boys are often the main target of adult sexual predators, so are girls and women. Adult men rarely have to worry about such a thing. Recognize that you are in a place of privilege. Also, you are not being "used" for anything. If anyone - b…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 07:09 AM
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Exactly. The vast majority of women are not an option for a single man. The vast majority of men are not an option for a single woman. I literally said I recognized he was joking. Not sure why you are now taking my response seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 06:49 AM
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Never said that all women want that. Read what I wrote again. Game is about making generalizations about what all women want. You yourself are making generalizations about all women with your repeated insistence that because I am a woman, I cannot possibly be telling the truth when I say I can recognize game and am repelled by it. Because I am a woman, you, a man, know me better than I know myself and know that game works on me. That is a generalization about all women if I ever heard one. You s…
/r/ExRedPill22/08/21 01:49 AM
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Yes, you absolutely can measure what you, personally, find attractive in a partner. But you cannot just say that the entirety of one gender wants the same things in their partners, which is what RPers and PUAs get dead wrong. Aside from that, good „game“ is only Good when the person you’re „gaming“ dosen’t realise it. When you as a woman can clearly see that a guy is acting like a player, then he has bad game. If I had a nickel for every time I heard that.... Your logic is flawed, too. Can't wom…
/r/ExRedPill21/08/21 01:44 PM
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You can measure being better at a skill, like playing guitar. You cannot measure being more valuable as a dating partner, as it is subjective. Traits that are very attractive to some people will be very off-putting to others and vice versa. For instance, I cannot stand a man who runs "game" on me. What the PUA thinks comes across as fun, arousing, and slightly cocky is actually cringey, violating, and extremely arrogant.
/r/ExRedPill21/08/21 01:04 PM
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And Red Pillers say women are the ones who lack empathy. Someone's asking you to do something as innocuous as walk them to their car because they feel UNSAFE and you'd have the audacity to demand payment? If a 13-year-old boy asked if you could walk him to his car because he justifiably feared risk of physical violence, sexual violence, kidnapping, and/or death would you have the same reply? I get it, women are universally awful and always demanding totally unreasonable things from men. Like not…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 12:42 PM
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I'm sorry, but any man who unironically thinks of himself as an "alpha male" is FAR from being the best version of himself.
/r/ExRedPill21/08/21 12:20 PM
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That's telling. Women's greatest fear in the dating world is that a man will rape and/or murder her. Men's greatest fear in the dating world is that a woman will be promiscuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 07:43 AM
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You can say anything you want to me. That's what's so awesome about me. Hmm, then why do I feel like you wouldn't take it well if someone tried to imply it was your personality, not women's "impossible" standards, that are preventing you from having any luck in the dating world?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 07:38 AM
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Ha, yeah. I'd bet money the men saying that to women are the same ones complaining women are too picky and how hard it is to find a woman to date. And then when you try to advise them where they might be going wrong, you get told nothing you say has any merit whatsoever because "you wouldn't ask a fish how to catch it". It's quite telling that they're comparing dating them to getting a sharp hook through the mouth, being yanked by said hook into an environment where you can't breathe, convulsing…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 07:07 AM
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Exactly. I absolutely cannot stand when men not only push you to give a reason why you're not interested, but then try to argue why that's not a good enough reason. Or just start insulting you because they feel personally attacked at what you've told them. When they literally just demanded you tell them. I said in a recent comment: Many OLD profiles and messages are dripping with red flags. What do you want me to do? Just ignore all those red flags? I guarantee if I did that, I'd receive lecture…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 06:41 AM
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I don't "shit test". And some men do not take rejection well, completely independent of whether a reason is given or what that reason might be.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 06:32 AM
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Oh, absolutely. If someone insults you, it doesn't matter if they say they're just being "honest". A lot of people try to use the excuse of being "honest" to get away with being shitty towards whoever they want. There are also, of course, polite and rude ways to go about bringing up a person's behavior that you want changed. At the same time, some people become very hostile when someone else has the nerve to politely say they're not interested. So yes, it definitely depends on what is being said…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 06:21 AM
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I agree with you. Everyone says they want open and honest communication. And while many people actually do, it's also interesting how many people will reverse that stance the moment they perceive anything you've told them as a personal criticism.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 05:36 AM
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I'm guessing you're unaware that some people seriously believe that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 04:51 AM
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Many men and women alike actually become quite offended when their date mentions a single physical trait as a potential dealbreaker, especially if they consider the trait miniscule. I just stumbled across a male commenter a few days ago on PPD who was pissed about a woman only being attracted to him when he had short, but not long, hair.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 04:44 AM
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Of course, we all have preferences that are out of our control. But I'm certainly not going to tell a guy to shave just so he's more attractive to me. I will express that it's a preference and/or dealbreaker for me, but I am very careful about even expressing just that. It's a bit of an awkward conversation to have on a dating app ('hey, I think you're cute, but only when you're clean shaven'). But I just don't find facial hair attractive, even on the hottest men. They likely wouldn't find it at…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 04:26 AM
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Women actually pick up on a lot of valid red flags in a man's words and behavior (not the strawmen you've stated, but actual red flags) but then men chastise them as being overly picky, having unrealistic standards, not giving them enough of a chance, judging them on things the man doesn't see as a big deal, shame them by insinuating they'll die alone, etc. Furthermore, things that seem trivial can and do negatively impact attraction (I don't like facial hair, for example). Accept it and find so…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 02:37 AM
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You are projecting qualities on to RPs based on your dislike for them. Replace "you" with "RPs" and "RPs" with "women" and you'll reach a much more accurate conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 09:10 AM
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I don't think you know what projection is. "Projection refers to unconsciously taking unwanted emotions or traits you don't like about yourself". I haven't done anything like that in our discussion, yet you've accused me of it twice.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 08:59 AM
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I think it depends on the subreddit the Red Piller is on, really. On a Red Pill subreddit he talks about his own self-improvement and areas he can work on to supposedly better himself. On any subreddit with Blue Pillers and/or women, he is suddenly a super high value man in the top 0.1% who gets way more pussy than all the BP men and wouldn't dream of touching any of the women here.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 08:46 AM
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TRP says if its members read their content and use their techniques, they will become high value, yes. I have seen many Red Pill individuals claim to be very high value. I have never seen a Red Pill man claim to be less than high value.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 08:22 AM
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Very common dating mistake, actually: trying to be attractive to as many people as possible. Let's say you have a trait that you love about yourself and in a partner but 99% of people hate it. The other 1% of people love that trait in a partner and have it themselves. I know I would much rather only be in a relationship where we're highly compatible, even if I spend more time being single. Dating someone I'm not compatible with sounds like a nightmare, actually, even if I spend less time being s…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 08:04 AM
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Red Pill "coaches" are all trying to sell you supposed insider knowledge. Naive men drop hundreds, if not thousands, on Red Pill coaching sessions because the coaches guarantee results. Of course they're going to make claims that sound way too good to be true. I'm sure they include a lot of supposed testimonials and supposed success stories as well. If they can get just one man to drop $300 on an hour long session with them, they've paid their bills that month. So yes, it goes without saying the…
/r/ExRedPill20/08/21 06:36 AM
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That is pretty much true to a good degree. If I push the example to an extreme to show the point, not many men will be happy to date a women if they know she's slept with 40 people already. Men don't like highly promiscuous women in general. Promiscuous women get shit on all the time, correct, and unfairly so. Obviously, misogyny is very real. Women are constantly slut-shamed while men face no such judgment. Just like Black people are racially profiled while white people face no such judgment. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 01:41 AM
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This one made me chuckle. How would you pretend to spin plates? Seriously? You've never heard TRP advise men to practice an abundance mentality even when they have seemingly few options/few plates? Or social proof? You're not supposed to let on that your plate is the only woman you're sleeping with, for example - even if she is. You're certainly not supposed to let on that you struggle with women or have had few past sexual experiences. You want her to think women are throwing themselves at you.…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 01:10 AM
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For a group who's so adamant that people should stop shaming men for not getting laid, you sure do love shaming men for not getting laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 12:56 AM
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Get a sense of humor, will ya? I could say the same to you. My comment was meant facetiously. I literally said I recognized you were joking. I was unpacking the joke for fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 12:54 AM
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Men have been lied to their entire lives by society and women about female nature. The Red Pill is about uncovering these truths and giving men the knowledge and tools to navigate their interactions with women. Many men initially react with anger, but upon learning The Red Pill that anger dissipates and he learns to become a high value man. He sees that he cannot control how women behave, but he can control what he does with his newfound knowledge. Working on himself, recognizing women’s lying, …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 12:38 AM
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I can't comment on random conversations you've had with random men on the internet. I'm talking about you. Our conversation. Hey, you're the one that brought up top 1% men. I did, as I was directly addressing a Red Pill belief. Not being a Red Piller myself, whenever I use Red Pill terminology it's safe to say I'm talking about what they believe. That's an incel thing. TRP guidelines discourage incel behavior. Yes, they discourage behavior that is more incel than RP, but Red Pillers and incels h…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 03:04 PM
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Because RPers are delusional about what they bring to the table, when I point out they're delusional about what they bring to the table, of course they'll say I'm wrong. They're actually high value. And women claiming to be high value are actually wrong. They don't just crave wonderful, caring treatment though. They want a woman to practically worship him. To change herself when he doesn't like something about her, to never put on weight, to give up her career, to never expect any alimony from h…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 02:25 PM
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You once again just ignored a lot of my direct questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 02:07 PM
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Ethically non-monogamous.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 01:59 PM
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I think the above commenter is referring to your post coming across as very poor quality. Especially when you say things like: "Bruh this shit is not complicated" and "Shiddd this going offend women but they need to understand" and "Sorry it’s has to be that way🤷🏾‍♂". Also, you're very much just trying to push a Red Pill agenda here (like telling people/women how it is, not asking for their opinions), and debates are supposed to be neutral (hence the removal of your entire post). Also you called…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 01:50 PM
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I don't give a shit if a man I'm dating is "high value" by Red Pill standards. What I consider valuable in a partner is way different from what RP men think makes a valuable man. And imagine actually dating a man who unironically thinks he's an "alpha male" - hard next. You could say that it doesn't matter what RPers think, it matters what women think. Correct, and I wish RPers actually understood that. When a woman tells you want she wants in a man, believe her. Stop accusing everyone who disag…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 01:37 PM
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Nah, give me a number (within reason, not writing thousands of words today just to prove that I know what TRP is). It'll be fun for me, like a writing prompt. 'Summarize TRP in exactly 337 words' or something like that. And also because people on this subreddit like to bitch at me for writing too much. I'll only write what you're willing to read.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 01:06 PM
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In how many words?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 12:58 PM
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I know what The Red Pill is and I'm not it. Yet I've had RPers insist that because I'm a woman, I'm secretly red-pilled. Yes, that is how their brains work. Every woman on the planet is lying to them. No, the RPer can't possibly be the one who is wrong. It's actually the 4 billion women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 12:34 PM
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They swear up and down that they fully accept female nature, never complain about women, never complain about the dating world being unfair to men, never blame women. Take one glance at The Red Pill, at MGTOW, at Married Red Pill, at Ask TRP, at WAATGM. I literally do not understand how someone can not see this going on, unless they've been brainwashed into drinking TRP Kool-Aid. I actually don't think I've ever seen a group with more cognitive dissonance in my life than the Red Pill communities…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 12:31 PM
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Depends. Many women treat their partners very well and vice versa. Unfortunately for Red Pillers, a woman will never treat them like that for as long as they're Red-Pilled. No kind, compassionate, caring woman would put up with their shit. Maybe if she was a complete doormat, but even then, not for very long.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 12:19 PM
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RPers are always insisting others are secretly red-pilled. According to them, all men who are successful with women are red-pilled (even if there's zero evidence) and all women are red-pilled as well (but of course, they'll just deny it). Sure, buddy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 12:16 PM
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Almost. TRP men will pretend to work on themselves. No, hitting the gym while you seethe and seek confirmation about how all women are lying, cheating, manipulative, gold-digging, emotionally abusive, morally depraved sluts is not actually "working on yourself". I'd take a man who has never worked on himself a day in his life over the man who "works on himself" using Red Pill tactics.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 12:13 PM
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No, it doesn't. I wouldn't touch a Red Pill man with a ten-foot pole. Most women wouldn't. Why do you think one of the rules of TRP is never talk about TRP - especially not to women? That's why they say just keep approaching women over and over and over again until one finally bites. That's why women who are in a relationship with a man who turns into a Red Piller inevitably end the relationship. Red Pillers crave being treated like the top 1% of men yet they know they are not and never will be.…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 12:08 PM
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Trp explicitly tells men to create options by spinning plates. And if you're not "spinning plates", it's essential that you lie and pretend you are. If you are inexperienced with women, lie and pretend you're not. If you're a virgin, lie about being a virgin. If a lie will get you into a women's panties (pretending you like her for more than just a hookup, for example), lie to get into her panties. If she says something that upsets you, lie and pretend you're not upset. If you're insecure, lie a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 11:54 AM
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Obviously. TRP 101. That doesn't contradict what I've said.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 11:30 AM
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Not at all. Simply pointing out the hypocrisy that RPers insist women are totally delusional about what they bring to the table while RPers are totally delusional about what they bring to the table. Consider this: The RP man constantly employs lying and dishonesty in his dating/mating tactics (while, ironically enough, insisting that he's a man of his word who says exactly what he means). If he were so high value, why can't he just be completely himself? Why does he have to try to deceive women …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 11:14 AM
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Yes. Which is why they insist they're manly alpha males at the top of the SMV/RMV who women should treat exactly like they'd treat Chris Hemsworth or Jason Momoa. They think if they tell themselves this enough, then women may start to believe it, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 10:44 AM
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I'll tell you what. I'll do your Google-fu for you if you answer the rest of my questions first so we can wrap up that particular part of this debate. There are way too many questions that have gone ignored. Just help me to understand your point of view. I do not think that is asking too much given the subreddit we're on. I take it to mean what it is. If it's genuine, I take it as genuine. If it's a shit test I take it as a shit test. Which means I back off and she "magically" ends up sucking my…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 10:26 AM
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No, I don't think most FMF or MFF threesomes happen due to the man's "raw attractiveness". I think most FMF or MFF threesomes happen with a couple looking for a woman to join them. It wouldn't surprise me if more often than not in that scenario, the female half plays more of a role in pulling in the other woman than the man. I think the second most common scenario is two women who want to hook up together, and they find a man to join them. I would imagine people who travel in ENM circles are far…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 09:16 AM
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Where what has happened? An attempted rape? Can't you google that yourself? It's not like me bringing up one or two specific rape or attempted rape cases is going to change your mind in any way. You'll need to look at the data anyway to see the bigger picture. Okay, so we've established you don't take someone else's "no" to mean anything. Does your "no" mean anything? Can a woman (or man) just have sex with you after you've said "no"? Please answer the rest of my questions. I'd love to gain some…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 08:58 AM
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If only 4 people on the entire planet meet your standards... I think it's fair to say no one has higher standards than you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 08:43 AM
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If you think he would be charged with attempting rape for trying to have sex after she said no Yes, I do. Because that is literally the definition of rape, and completed or attempted is determined by at what point the assault stopped. As I've said before, the RPer is vague about at what point in the sexual "escalation" that was. Try to help me understand your point of view, because there is clearly some disconnect. Why do you refuse to accept a no? Are there circumstances where you do accept a n…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 08:37 AM
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RPer: complains that all but 40,000 women on the planet find him substandard. Also RPer: complains that only 4 women on the planet meet his standards. I know you're joking, but I see this sentiment unironically from RPers (complaining that all women have unreasonably high standards while having even higher standards themselves) all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 06:16 AM
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You have been very unclear. It is difficult to have an online discussion with someone who can't be bothered to use a glance to proofread their comments before submitting. I don't see how you can even mistakenly submit a comment where most of the comment is something you never meant to include. To be clear: you are saying the entire quoted portion was a total typo and you never meant to include it, correct? Because all you said before was that you didn't mean to quote me. And as I never said the …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 09:41 PM
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"Rape is a type of sexual assault usually involving sexual intercourse or other forms of sexual penetration carried out against a person without that person's consent." This is what I've been arguing with you. You do not get to just have sex with someone without their consent. A "yes" is consent. A "no" is a direct denial of consent. Without consent. No consent. You know, in no uncertain terms, they do not want to have sex with you. Because they said no. They have verbally communicated that to y…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 07:53 PM
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I absolutely am, as I have a lot to say. I doubt I would feel nearly as qualified to debate and give my opinion on dating and relationships if I did not feel like this is an arena I am successful in.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 06:54 PM
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Yes, I know you addressed my 25th point in your reply. However, you also said something else. In fact, the first thing you said was: it does not make you horny, if your man is very negative and complains and sees no solution for problems your instinct will not be to be aroused by it... and that is what matters, yes you don't need to be aroused always but the more you are not aroused the more you That is your direct reply to my comment. I asked you twice if you were referring to me and you declin…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 06:52 PM
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I said: Are you saying you'd do the same thing in his shoes? Try to force yourself on a woman who just told you, in no uncertain terms, that she's not having sex with you that night? You said: Yeah. So you admitted you'd force yourself on her. Regardless, having sex with an unwilling person, whether you use physical force or not, is rape. A partner deserves the right to tell you no and have that no respected. If you persist after she has told you no, you are attempting to rape her, and she has a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 11:53 AM
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Ding ding ding! There's the admission. Forcing yourself on a woman who's told you no is not rape in your eyes and you'd do it yourself. Love it when Red Pillers finally admit their true nature, i.e., All Red Pillers Are Rapists (ARPAR). Well, look on the brightside. At least you'll never have to worry about receiving a false rape accusation. As you'll know every rape accusation you receive is fully deserved. And will probably be much, much easier to be proved in court once the FBI gets a hold of…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 11:39 AM
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I already addressed the uncertainty as to whether or not the rape was attempted or completed: I don't think he even stopped until he was already inside her. But maybe he just tried to have sex with her after she said no but just didn't get that far. So that would be attempted rape. But he is (intentionally, I believe) being unclear in his post about whether penetration had or had not occurred. You're basically saying, over and over again, that it wasn't rape because it wasn't completed. Attempte…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 09:57 AM
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So... because he stopped AT SOME POINT, he never raped or sexually assaulted her? All sexual assault/rape stops AT SOME POINT. No means no. A preschooler could understand that. If you attempt to do a sexual act with someone after they've said no to said sexual act, that is sexual assault. I don't think he even stopped until he was already inside her. But maybe he just tried to have sex with her after she said no but just didn't get that far. So that would be attempted rape. But he is (intentiona…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 09:29 AM
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Point is, RPers have serious dating problems. That's what leads them to TRP in the first place. Then they solve all their problems by learning how to manipulate, abuse, and in some instances - yes, rape. This is not the first time I've seen a RPer confess to sexual assault or rape. The problem is, the RP men never sees himself as being in the wrong. In the instance I'm referring to, the woman literally expresses disbelief that he's raping her in the middle of the act! And his dumbass decides to …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 08:37 AM
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I guess you never spend any time on AskTRP. In terms of TRP, they tend to focus on how successful they allegedly are (right before they try to get you to donate money if you find their content valuable, LOL), so you'll see less of it there. And if your definition of successful in relationships means turning into an abusive partner, then yes, RPers are very successful. I actually just glanced at that AskTRP for the first time in a while and the first post I read is a man describing how he raped a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 08:09 AM
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You were directly replying to my comment and you said "your" and "you". So who's "you" referring to?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 06:39 AM
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I'm 5'7". Never been rejected for my height. Can't see it happening. Never rejected a guy for his height. Can't see it happening. ETA: Clarification: I cannot see myself rejecting a guy for his height, NOT that I can't see a guy being rejected for his height by others. I mean, he'd have to be so extremely short or so extremely tall that I'm no longer attracted to him. I don't know any guys like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 05:03 AM
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it does not make you horny, if your man is very negative and complains and sees no solution for problems your instinct will not be to be aroused by it... and that is what matters, yes you don't need to be aroused always but the more you are not aroused the more you What are you quoting? Are you referring to me? Surely you can't be. The sheer fucking audacity you'd need to tell a stranger on the Internet you've literally never spoken to what does or doesn't make her "horny" and "aroused"... surel…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 04:59 AM
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I mean, they are wrong. I know TRP disagrees with some of what I've said. I know TRP thinks they see straight through women. But I know I see straight through TRP. And when I've consistently had harmonious, happy, wonderful romantic relationships and view men just as positively as I view women, and RPers consistently have toxic, unhealthy, unhappy relationships and view women as utterly depraved - even permanently opting out of romantic relationships with women entirely - well, I'll let you draw…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 04:09 AM
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Actually, mainstream dating advice given to men and women alike is completely awful. Some examples: Girls are taught that when a boy picks on her, it's because he has a crush on her. Boys are taught to keep trying to pursue a girl, even if she expresses disinterest. Women are taught not to pursue men so as not to seem easy or desperate. It's a man's job to "win over" the woman (she's the prize). [TRP tries to counter this by saying he's the prize. Wrong again - no one is the prize. It's about fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 01:33 AM
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Absolutely right. I never said I expected you to answer for what others say. My statement was that Red Pill subreddits (TRP, MGTOW, WAATGM, etc.) often say these things and that still stands. Keep in mind we are not having a private conversation, so the things I say are meant to be read by not just you but others as well. Personally, I care deeply about men's mental health and openly encourage men to express their emotions and feelings. I will say this at times on this subreddit. Then I get shut…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 11:31 AM
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Have you been to any RP subreddits lately? They don't just "state facts". They shame, ridicule, and insult women for having mental health problems, being on psych meds, even just SUPPORTING "Mental Health Awareness" in their Tinder bios... all while bemoaning the fact that men have higher suicide rates and how unfair it is that society doesn't let men seek mental health treatment or openly discuss their mental health problems. Bunch of hypocrites.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 11:02 AM
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Now you're making things up. I never said I idealize falling in love. I simply said it was wonderful in direct response to you ONLY saying how negative of an experience it is. And I will reiterate that many poly people enjoy long-term love. It's not about chasing some high then discarding people like you seem to think. Nothing you say will change that perception, but several things you have said have affirmed it. Good to know that you are unwilling to change your mind in a CMV and that you will …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 10:17 AM
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So you support eugenics.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 10:10 AM
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RP men: shame women who receive mental health treatment. Also RP men: lament how men are shamed for receiving mental health treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 10:09 AM
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Your comment actually grosses me out. First, you care more about what the guy looks like than any other category. I'm not sure why any of that, like his body type and height, matters to you in the slightest. But the part that really grosses me out was trying to control the height that your grandkids end up as so they make ideal sexual prospects in your eyes.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 09:19 PM
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That's really disingenuous. I'm a woman and FDS is full of shit in so many different ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 09:13 PM
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Your comment is hypocritical beyond belief. Someone makes a post shitting on non-monogamous people so I respond defending ENM and ENM people. You say that the original post makes great points, and write a rant on how shitty all ENM people are. And then you turn it around and try to say that I’m the one with the problem with monogamous people. And launch into another rant about having open-mindedness, kindness, and empathy and insinuate that I’m lacking those traits. All after you just posted a r…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 09:02 PM
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Yeah, okay, so the ENM people you’ve met conveniently all have personalities/characteristics worse than Hitler. :D :D :D Look, I get that some people react very poorly to others deviating from any sort of social norm, but would it kill you to just leave ENM people the fuck alone? Let them have the types of relationships they/their partners want without bashing them like they’re some of the worst people on the planet? That’s not an unreasonable request.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 07:51 PM
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Snarky comment after snarky comment after snarky comment. Seriously, just address the arguments I made or don't bother replying if you're just going to insult my honesty, my mental health, my relationship style, my activeness on this subreddit, and drop eye-rolling emojis in the middle of what's supposed to be a civil debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 09:52 AM
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I didn't see yesterday's post, so I have no idea what you're referring to. You didn't even bother to link to it here. You attacked non-monogamous people, I called you out for attacking non-monogamous people, then you said you were only doing it because a non-monogamous person said something about monogamous people you didn't like. Why don't you just take it up with that person then, instead of attacking everyone who practices ENM? Also, I have no idea why you keep bringing up neurotypical and ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 01:03 AM
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Nope. That's what you're saying - don't project. I'm saying that being monogamous or non-monogamous is a deeply personal decision that people can make for themselves for their own reasons. There is no right or wrong answer, just what works for an individual and what doesn't. People don't need to consult studies all day long to make a decision that they know is right for them. Again, what's right for other people, even most people, is not always going to be what's right for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 12:50 AM
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An accusation that I'm a liar merely for speaking my personal truth on PPD. Why am I not surprised? You've failed to address the vast majority of my points and are insinuating that I'm a liar who must be "neurodivergent" because I disagree with you. And in terms of firing shots to get back at the "non-mongamous camp", if you feel personally attacked by a post, you're free to ignore it or use the report button. Making an entirely separate post to insult everyone in that relationship style is pett…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 12:23 AM
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The key point this post fails to consider is that monogamy vs. non-monogamy is a deeply personal decision. What works for one individual doesn’t necessarily work for others. As an ENM person, I don’t give a shit if monogamy works for 99.99% (it doesn’t, but for argument’s sake) of the population. It doesn’t work for me, so obviously I’m not going to practice it. To give a deeper answer, let’s look at the three points you’ve brought up. Point 1: I haven’t bothered to click on the links because wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/21 12:03 AM
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Except the supposed "data" here is highly biased, flawed, and has a clear anti-women agenda.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/21 11:49 PM
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This "calculator" is so stupid, but I won't get into the reasons why as others have already stated here. According to the "calculator", 59% of men meet my standards, yet I'd consider less than 1% of the male population in my age range as people who I'd go on a date with.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 11:36 PM
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Not shallow at all to find certain physical attributes unappealing. Hair length/style definitely impacts my physical attraction to someone. Does it not for you as well? Maybe it doesn't for you, and you'd date a woman who was bald or had a mohawk or hair to her knees. But certainly you have other physical dealbreakers that could make an otherwise attractive person unappealing to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/21 09:14 PM
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Nope. You’re saying that someone being wrong about one thing does not mean they’re wrong about everything. That’s correct, it doesn’t. What you're failing to understand is that when a person shows they cannot ever be reasoned with (and I am referencing years’ worth of comments and posts here), I recognize debating with them is completely pointless. I cannot, as much I’d like to, argue with every single member on a subreddit of 82,000 people. Unfortunately, some people have shown they refuse to h…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/21 12:27 AM
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I mean misogyny. Misogyny = dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women. What other comment are you referring to? I get a lot of notifications.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 04:44 PM
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While I appreciate your effort, Alexander Grace has a blatant misogynistic agenda and I'm not about to suffer through 18 minutes of his bullshit, unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 03:18 PM
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Not so. Just less than 2 in 3 married men wish they had sex more often. 1 in 3 married women wish they had sex more often. So there's a difference, but not nearly as extreme as you make it out to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 11:11 AM
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She is a grown ass adult who is suffering the consequences of her actions. What do you want us to do? Ride out like a Knight in shining armour and save her? Nope. It's much, much simpler than that. Simply say nothing. Isn't that so much easier than victim-blaming, anyway?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 11:04 AM
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Kindness is the most valued trait in a relationship partner by men and women alike. It is in no way disingenuous to say people value kindness in the dating world, or to point to someone's meanness/hostility as a key reason as to why they're unsuccessful. Furthermore, everyone is fed false information on relationship dynamics from basically birth. Some examples of bad mainstream dating advice. In my experience when a woman says the guy "suddenly changed" he didn't change, she just stopped being a…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 11:33 PM
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Different women have different standards. Not all women care about a guy being nice. The problem I see is that a woman will talk about having been abused by a man who treated her well at first and came across as kind and gentle in the beginning. So clearly she values those traits, and used them to make her decision to date the man. Then the Red Piller/victim-blamer will swoop in saying it's her fault because she must have ignored all the red flags. And that she just needs to vet harder in the fu…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 10:54 PM
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Of course not. The standard of proof is extremely high in rape by deception cases, and the definition of rape by deception is extremely narrow. Here are some rape by deception cases that have been brought to trial. As you'll see, it's quite difficult to be convicted of it, even with sufficient evidence that it did occur.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 10:42 PM
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Asexuality is rare, correct. But even among allosexual men, very few always want sex all the time. Furthermore, relationships where the female partner has a higher sex drive than the male partner are not uncommon at all - far from being statistically insignificant.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 10:34 PM
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Men on this subreddit like to chide women for having impossibly high standards that filter out too many men. Men on this subreddit like to victim-blame when a woman gets abused by a guy, by saying she should have paid attention to red flags and vetted harder, and ultimately filter out more men. So which is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 10:03 PM
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Is it? Seems men and women experience envy at roughly the same rates: 79% of women, 74% of men report feeling envy in the last year.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 12:18 PM
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I don't buy into the whole alpha/beta dynamic, so as far as I'm concerned, "alpha fucks" don't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 10:23 AM
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Here's some insight. TL;DR: It's not all about frequency of sex. Lesbians report significantly longer sexual encounters and are most likely of all four groups studied (gay men, straight men, straight women, gay women) to orgasm once or multiple times.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 10:21 AM
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So some lies should be considered rape by fraud (and subsequently be illegal), then? Which lies are those?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 10:10 AM
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Do you know that for a fact?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 10:08 AM
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There are pros and cons to telling her: Cons: She might not like that you're a virgin. Some women don't, and their reaction can range from a bit of hesitancy to complete deal-breaker. I'd argue that if she reacts poorly to you being a virgin, she wouldn't make a good first partner in the first place. But that's a decision between you and her, obviously. Pros: She might like that you're a virgin. Some women find it endearing, a compliment, a challenge, even a sexual fantasy. If you are nervous or…
/r/seduction29/07/21 09:56 AM
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You tried to argue that women who are honor killed always deserve it, so excuse me for not taking any of what you say seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 09:08 AM
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Obviously there are lies that do undermine consent, for instance if you impersonate somebody's partner or lie about your sexual health or birth control. I took that to mean you did think that, actually. So are you saying that some lies nullify consent while some do not and it depends on the lie? Or is your phrasing "undermine consent" different from "nullify consent"? Because I'd use them interchangeably.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 09:07 AM
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The ideas that all men want sex and that the man always has a higher sex drive than the woman are both harmful myths.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 09:05 AM
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And you don't think she was ever sexually attracted to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 08:51 AM
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It's not that uncommon for partners to have more sex in the beginning stages of a relationship, when things are "new" and "exciting", and for that level of sexual enthusiasm to wane over time, I agree. I remember a statistic saying that, among people who have a higher sexual desire than their partner, 30-something percent are women (I can look for that data again if you'd like). So it wouldn't be surprising that lesbians are having less sex than gay men, but it's important not to dismiss the amo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 08:50 AM
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But I'm not arguing that any level of deception nullifies consent entirely. Just look at what you wrote. First paragraph you talk about misrepresentation, and argue that that does not nullify consent. Second paragraph you talk about lies, and argue that those do nullify consent. So it seems you agree that outright lying, as opposed to merely some form of misrepresentation, does nullify consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 08:37 AM
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Do you know if she meant because she enjoyed receiving your "emotional labor" or if she meant because she didn't want to hurt your feelings/feel like a bad person? Or something else entirely?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 07:43 AM
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Why would you want to have a sexless relationship? Especially a monogamous sexless relationship? Sounds like torture.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 07:40 AM
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It's amusing how some men just think all women want "commitment" so much they'll do anything to get it, even have sex with someone they're not attracted to to get said "commitment" so they can... keep having sex with someone they're not attracted to? I don't fucking get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 07:26 AM
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You tried to argue that women who are honor killed always deserve it, so excuse me for not taking any of what you say seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 06:49 AM
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I would strongly consider telling her you're a virgin if you feel comfortable doing so. That can take a lot of the pressure off and would likely encourage her to take the reins if she's been looking to you to make the first move.
/r/seduction29/07/21 06:33 AM
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AF/BB is largely myth. I'd never get into a relationship with someone I wasn't sexually attracted to and I don't know anyone who would. Unless you mean sugar baby/daddy relationships, which some people do, but I don't think they're very common.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 06:12 AM
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It isn't a study to begin with. Yet people keep using that word. It was never a study or a paper or dissertation. It was data published in a blog in 2009. Exactly. Thanks for pointing that out, I realized I used "study" when I meant "data". Rest of your comment - some good insight, I'll have to look more into it. I was using OkCupid long before I was even dating because I found it was fun to take all the tests they used to offer. Kind of sad they eventually got rid of all of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 04:09 AM
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I never saw a second study from OkCupid that replicated the first study with a different rating system. Are you saying you have? What data have Match and Tinder released that had the same pattern? And what specific data pattern are you referring to, seeing as there are multiple mentioned in the OkCupid article? It's worth noting that the star system is different from a like/dislike system, though. Because what star rating is the line between a like or dislike? Seems like different dating site us…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 02:32 AM
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I've never seen a woman trying to get another woman to cheat on her partner (although I know Red Pillers think this happens frequently). I remember exactly one experience as a teenager with a girl accusing another girl of trying to sabotage her relationship. Girl A had been dating a guy on and off. The guy has sex with Girl B at a get-together after lying and telling her he'd broken up with A. Word gets around. The guy denies it, of course, so now A is convinced B made the whole thing up to get …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 02:10 AM
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Something very important to note that I rarely see touched on: At the time that OkCupid data came out, they had a rating system in place for users rank others' profiles (which I believe is the 0-5 scale they wrote the article one). If you ranked a user's profile (and I believe it was their entire profile - not just the photos) as 4 or 5 stars OkCupid would automatically send an alert to the user identifying you as the person who liked them. If you ranked them as 3 stars or less, no action was ta…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 11:19 PM
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Because, predominantly, the reasons men reject women who have had many past sexual partners are: Sexual jealousy. I have no interest in dating someone who is routinely jealous or sexually possessive. Besides being extremely off-putting, I'm ENM so a partner prone to either of those things would a terrible fit. Fear of comparison (can be part of sexual jealousy). He's worried about other men having been better in bed. To not want someone to have experienced sexual pleasure because you're worried …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 09:57 PM
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RP men tend to seriously overestimate their own desirability. And when they can only attract the most toxic of women, they simply conclude that all women are inherently toxic.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 10:19 PM
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Informed [consent]. You can only consent to something if you have the full story. For example, if someone says they’ll use a condom and then they don’t, there isn’t full consent. What, in your mind, gives you the right to lie to someone in order to get them to have sex with you knowing full well they'd turn down sex if they knew the truth?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/21 08:12 AM
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The women marrying men 50+ years their senior is likely a transactional relationship, I agree, but I'm sure both parties know that. George Clooney married at 53 (he's 60 currently) to a successful (and attractive, if you're taking that into account) career woman and I don't believe there's any public evidence of marriage strife between them. As for Trump, I'm sure no woman actually wants to be married to him and I certainly don't blame them. Transactional relationships are absolutely a thing, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 11:58 PM
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I understand TRP is all about the most options, but doing that decreases their options, actually. You can't presume to know the reasons she's not having sex with you in the shortest time frame she's ever had sex with another man. Caring about such a thing is pretty toxic behavior on the RPer's end and limits his options.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 11:42 PM
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I'm so incredibly sorry for your loss and the way this woman treated you. Her behavior was abhorrent. You should never be made to feel like less of a man for showing grief. Unfortunately, TRP actually perpetuates this kind of thinking. I touch on it here. One bad seed does not mean that all, or most, women are like this. But unfortunately, the idea that men shouldn't be allowed to show emotion is perpetuated by TRP and society (and some societies more than others, for sure) so some men and women…
/r/ExRedPill25/07/21 11:37 PM
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It's not surprising that you feel this way, unfortunately. The RP insistence that men are the prize and that RP men have high "SMV" is a thinly veiled attempt to get back at the modern Western woman for supposedly being "entitled" and "not knowing her value". It's ironic because from what I've seen, women tend to have lower self-esteem/self-confidence than men. Yep, commonly referred to as "the confidence gap" between men and women.
/r/ExRedPill25/07/21 11:10 PM
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"Alleged report"? It's a U.S. government report showing that women are 5.5x more likely to be on the receiving end of nonfatal intimate partner violence (IPV) and over twice as likely to be on the receiving end of intimate partner homicide. And you think men don't inflict verbal, emotional, and psychological abuse on women? You told me that you don't think lying to get someone to have sex with you (rape by fraud) is even abuse. So I'd really love to know what "verbal, emotional, and psychologica…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 10:52 PM
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You erroneously accused me of "dancing around saying women play games and still playing the chasing game". I'm simply clarifying, which I don't mind doing at all. I think the underlying myth explaining the majority of my points is actually "men always want sex and women rarely do". Hence he won't respect her if she gives it up, and if he doesn't want sex he's gay, and he should pursue her, and he should have a lot of sexual partners, and he should not take her "no" seriously, etc. And no, I'm no…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 10:39 PM
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Sure, how many pull ups you can do in a row, your body fat percentage, and your height are all measurable. But it's like you're claiming that all those things matter to all women, and furthermore, that nothing else does. Attraction/desirability is often not easily measured. I tend to see a lot of incels and Red Pill men trying to break it down into just numbers and measurements, though. And, erroneously, they hyper-focus on height, body fat percentage, and measures of net worth.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 10:31 PM
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I literally said: "Women are taught not to pursue men so as not to seem easy or desperate". Some other platitudes revolve around this idea, and I mentioned them as well. So I directly addressed your point. And I brought up additional ways that men and women are taught harmful dating/sexual behaviors. Are you expressing irritation that I brought up points in addition to 'women/men are taught that men should do the chasing'?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 10:26 PM
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Treating a spouse horribly is exclusive to women? Women do far more damage to men than men do to women? Are those serious arguments? Or did you not think them through at all? The facts would like a word with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 09:20 PM
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Funny how you JUST accused me of saying: But but but MEN DO IT TOO! ...when that's your exact argument here with women. Yes, I will repeat myself but I can re-word it if you're finding the concept difficult to grasp: A person lying to another person to get them to have sex has obtained consent under false pretenses. The victim would not have agreed to sex had they known, thus it is not informed consent. Lying/fraud is different from simply changing one's mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 09:12 PM
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It's not based on "women's feelings", it's based on bodily autonomy and consent. A person lying to another person to get them to have sex has obtained consent under false pretenses. The victim would not have agreed to sex had they known, thus it is not informed consent. And yes, the perpetrator can be male or female - obviously.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 04:21 PM
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No, you're right - there are 7.8 billion people on the planet, I'm sure there are millions of married women who are awful. But you don't think there are millions of men who treat their wives horribly? And if so, why are you talking like it's something exclusive to women? Like there's an epidemic of women going around who are so desperate for commitment, any commitment, that they'll marry men they can't even stand to have sex with?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 04:15 PM
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Seems quite a few states have rape by fraud laws, actually. Sure, you could rape someone then lie about it (and RPers are worried about "false rape accusations"?). Or you could take personal responsibility and not do it in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 04:03 PM
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No, they know some men care about shit like that. It's funny, because even when I'd had sex with no one, I still wouldn't have wanted to date a man like that. Huge red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 03:54 PM
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A man lying to get into a woman's pants / A man lying about whether he's in a relationship with her or about whether he cares about her = abuse/rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 03:51 PM
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Completely different. (1) is completely ethical and neither party has done anything wrong, morally or legally. (2) is completely unethical and breaks most people's moral codes and could be against the law (rape by deception) depending on where you live.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 03:49 PM
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Maybe you're not as attractive as you think you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 03:45 PM
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...Because you know millions of married women and they all treat their husbands horribly? That really what you're claiming?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 03:33 PM
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Consider what you're claiming. Women want commitment so bad that they'll sleep with a guy they don't even find attractive to get... a committed relationship with a man they don't find attractive? Who wants that?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 03:27 PM
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Xenophobic fear-mongering, but ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 02:35 PM
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No, I understand that TRP is all about altering your behavior to appeal to the most women possible. But common RP sentiment is that if a woman doesn't have sex with you in the shortest time frame she's ever had sex with another man, stop seeing her immediately. Which is like throwing a hissy fit and storming out, honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 02:33 PM
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Overpopulation is an issue, so a declining birth rate is great.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 02:30 PM
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I don't see the problem. If people want to have certain standards, let them have certain standards. Maybe they'll lower them eventually, maybe they won't. Maybe they'll meet someone eventually, maybe they won't. Either way, how is it any of your concern?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 02:02 PM
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Curious about the phone number thing, are you saying you'd mention it to her if her number's fake? Or is that just for a sense of security?
/r/seduction25/07/21 01:10 PM
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That's a more accurate way of putting it, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 01:08 PM
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Nope, this recent post by a self-described Red Pill Man paints a different picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 10:50 AM
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Women say it often in this sub. I haven't seen it. So you're trying to get back at me for something other women have said? Did I said you did? I said you feminists still expect men to follow their gender roles despite being all for "equality". I already asked you to cut out the "you _____" remarks when addressing me. It's hostile and accusatory. Again, I do not do that, but I can't control other people's thoughts and actions. https://archive.ph/dwIc8 So the author is speculating that because wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 10:00 AM
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Huh? I think it's clear from my comment that men and women alike are taught to "play games". And I mentioned that men are taught to chase while women are taught not to. So I'm not sure what you're getting at.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 09:39 AM
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Actually, mainstream dating advice given to men and women alike is completely awful. Some examples: Girls are taught that when a boy picks on her, it's because he has a crush on her. Boys are taught to keep trying to pursue a girl, even if she expresses disinterest. Women are taught not to pursue men so as not to seem easy or desperate. It's a man's job to "win over" the woman (she's the prize). Men and women alike are taught to feign disinterest in someone they like (play hard to get). Women ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 09:23 AM
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Then why do they throw a hissy fit and storm out every time a woman doesn't react to them like they're the sexiest, most "high quality" man she's ever met?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 09:13 AM
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The men I have relationships with are already extremely desirable to me. Why would I need to make compromises to try to get a "more desirable" man? What does "more desirable" even mean? Furthermore, I would detest the double standard of him having multiple romantic/sexual partners while (presumably) I only have one (and one who is shared). I only date non-monogamously so that especially wouldn't fly.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 08:47 AM
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Funny, don't see you telling women to stop "you men". How would I? I've never seen a comment of a woman saying that. Furthermore, I'm much more likely to reply to comments directed towards me than a comment directed towards someone else. Common sense. So you are basically if not a feminist. More so in my experience any woman saying they are very much into equality is actually not for actual equality. Even feminists promote gender roles for men even when it comes to dating. I'm a feminist, yes. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 07:45 AM
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Of course not. But as the BBC article even says: Having interviewed a diverse group of young German and British women for my research, I found associations of the term "feminism" with man-hating, lesbianism or lack of femininity was a key factor in rejections of the label "feminist". The majority said they did not want to call themselves feminist because they feared they would be associated with these traits. This was despite many stressing they were not homophobic and some identifying as lesbia…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 07:09 AM
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There it is!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 07:08 AM
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How can someone financially support themselves if they don't work? Welfare? Something tells me you don't believe in that. What if they'd rather not live in poverty? What if they're sick and have expensive medical bills? Something tells me you don't believe in universal healthcare either. What if someone has a career they enjoy? That they're valuable in? Do you seriously believe someone can't offer contributions to the world beyond being a parent simply because she's female?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 05:39 AM
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You don't think women should have the right to work, yet you're saying "misogynist" doesn't really apply to you. If you said black people shouldn't have the right to work while white people do, would I be justified in calling you racist?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 05:16 AM
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Stop with the "you women". It's hostile and accusatory. If you even glance at my post/comment history, you'll see that I'm very much into equality between men and women. I've never expected a man to have all those things or act the way you describe. If you have actual evidence that that's what most women's standards are, I'd love to see it. Perhaps I'm a total outlier, who knows?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 05:10 AM
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Well, you posted a CMV so I'm assuming you want your view challenged. What do you mean by "feminist"?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 05:02 AM
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They're saying a man was to have/be ALL of those things in order for women to be willing to date you or have casual sex. I'm saying that's utterly ridiculous. I don't know a single guy like that, and I know many men in relationships or who are having casual sex. Furthermore, I don't know a single woman with standards even resembling that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 04:59 AM
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Right. Your title is about avoiding feminists, and then you go on to describe behavior that has nothing to do with being a feminist or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 03:42 AM
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I just want to point out that you said Trump is a better man than you. Just making sure you know you said that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 03:09 AM
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Do you openly identify as misogynist or do you reject that label?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 03:05 AM
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I doubt they "forgot". More like didn't find any evidence. I'm a woman and I have no idea where you're getting the idea that these are our standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 02:21 AM
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Do these guys think we should have any say in who we date? No, they really don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 02:03 AM
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I get that you're against abortion (although your phrasing of it is absurd) but are you truly arguing that women shouldn't have the right to work?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 02:02 AM
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Your post has nothing to do with feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 01:54 AM
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Being upfront isn't making a suboptimal dating choice. It's finding someone who's looking for the same thing as you. And what if the man or woman states upfront that they are looking for something serious? Why are you talking about casual as if it's the only option?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 01:51 AM
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Great. They don't have to date at all if they don't want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 01:31 AM
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Probably 99.9% of porn is made for men. Of fucking course porn made for women isn't going to have nearly as much representation.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 01:24 AM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 01:20 AM
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I think their problem is that the women who aren't like that aren't going to want to date them. RP men want to benefit from gender equality (like splitting the check, not dating women who expect them to provide) while benefitting from gender inequality (having a girlfriend/wife submit to them, shaming women for their promiscuity while being promiscuous themselves, etc.)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 01:18 AM
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They should probably exclusively hire escorts. Don't they complain that all modern women are gold-diggers who extract a man's "resources" without putting out? Problem solved.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 01:10 AM
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Three that immediately come to mind: Radical lesbian feminism. "Radical lesbians see lesbianism as an act of resistance against the political institution of heterosexuality, which they view as violent and oppressive towards women". By contrast, I view sexual orientation as not an act of anything but as an innate trait. And heterosexuality is neither violent nor oppressive. Trans-exclusionary radical feminism. "These feminists argue that because trans women are assigned male at birth, they are ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 01:05 AM
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RP men seriously need to start accepting the fact that women don't find them as desirable as Chris Hemsworth or Zac Efron. And never will.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 12:38 AM
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Feminism = the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of equality of the sexes. That is the goal of feminism, regardless of type of feminism the feminist subscribes to. Also, most people are shitty debaters, as evidenced by this sub frequently (by RP, PP, and BP people alike). But yes, there are several different types of feminism so it's important to know what type subscribes to the ideas you're criticizing. "Patriarchy theory is woefully inadequate to define our complex society and women have…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/21 12:19 AM
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Would you enjoy being forced to date/have sex with someone you find repugnant? Or would you enjoy having a say in who you're in a relationship with and maintaining your bodily autonomy? Pick one.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 11:01 PM
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Liberal women don't want to date you because they think you and Trump are the same person. Liberal women don't want to date you because it sounds like you're actually worse than Trump.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 09:47 PM
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...Is that it?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 09:35 PM
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Just because I support doesn't mean I support all the things he does. Oh? Because you're clearly a staunch defender of his. What things has he done that you don't support?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 09:32 PM
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Fair enough. You've had bad experiences with communism, so much so that even an innocuous term like "economic fairness" equates to communism, in your eyes? Because that's not what I meant at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 09:16 PM
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I don't typically find rebellious (although we could have different definitions of "rebellious") or very masculine guys attractive either. And aggressiveness is a major turnoff. Having integrity (doing what's right) is crucial, though. But yes, Trump was a petulant man-baby who thought he was alpha. There seem to be a decent number of men like that, especially those who are or who strive to be Dark Triad.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 08:57 PM
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You're not being discriminated against, but I'm sure you realize that. People don't want to date people who they find repugnant.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 12:27 PM
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Extremely powerful, extremely wealthy white men rarely go to prison for their crimes, unfortunately. Add "United States president" to the list and it becomes exponentially less likely.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 10:57 AM
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All these issues you mentioned are complex. For example, a conservative person might say “i recognize that there is an immutable biological difference between males and females, and as such don’t believe they shoul compete in sport together in the name of fair competition” And some people(probably people like you) might say this is massively transphobic. Even though they don’t actively deny lgbtq rights, not agreeing with their ideology can be seen as hateful (even though it isn’t). So my point …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 10:24 AM
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What are your top 3 critiques of feminist ideology? Specify type if it applies.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 10:06 AM
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You can't be serious. You literally just called me a "communist" because I said "economic fairness" was an important issue to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 10:01 AM
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I highly doubt you know what the word "communist" means.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 09:56 AM
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Why would it be any sort of statement? People who believe in gender equality don't think someone should have to do something because of their gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 08:49 AM
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Oh, OP implied they were. And that seems to be the opinion of TRP from what I've read. What, in your opinion, constitutes a "bad boy"?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 08:44 AM
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Because the most popular religions promote regressive agendas.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 08:25 AM
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I don't date those men either. OP mentions dark triad traits, two of which are psychopathy and narcissism. Kindness is antithetical to psychopathy and humility is antithetical to narcissism.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 08:20 AM
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most non Trump voters act like he is the messiah who would make America great again I don't know what country you're in, but you probably realize that in the US we unfortunately only get to vote for one of two presidential candidates (unless you want to essentially waste your vote). Again, I'm not a fan of Biden. But compared to Trump, I don't blame voters for acting like he's a "messiah who would make America great again". Furthermore that is, basically word for word, what Trump supporters say …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 07:30 AM
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No, it's weird. He absolutely needs to learn to respect personal space. But to claim that that's comparable to Trump's atrocities? Are you serious? Again, many American liberals like myself strongly preferred Sanders or other candidates. But casting a vote for Biden to prevent Trump from being re-elected? Absolutely worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 07:10 AM
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It sure is. You're lying about something in order to get sex from them, knowing that they wouldn't have sex with you if they knew the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 06:38 AM
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Imagine voting for the party that suppresses women's sexuality and then having the AUDACITY to complain that women of that party aren't as sexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 06:37 AM
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It's like conservatives see women as less than human and are thus undeserving of women's affection.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 06:29 AM
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That's called rape by deception and people have been convicted of it before.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 06:25 AM
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Where do you live? That's awful.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 05:37 AM
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Learn to fact check. And with the way Trump talks about women, has bragged about assaulting them, and shows time and time again that he's devoid of any moral compass whatsoever - I don't know how you can possibly believe all 26 of those allegations are lies. And you do realize many liberals don't like Biden either, right? I strongly prefer Sanders, personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 05:09 AM
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I highly dislike when people defend a misogynistic, racist, lying sociopath who openly discriminates against people who aren't rich white men, brags about sexually assaulting women, and doesn't give a flying fuck about anyone but himself. That's correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 03:48 AM
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Nah, I'll be fine. Many "good men" exist, I've never had a problem there. I'm sorry that not dating conservative men has zero negative impact on my love life while not being able to date liberal women has a lot of negative impact on yours. You're right, it's totally unfair. Maybe you should stop supporting and defending a man who's a total monster though?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 03:37 AM
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You're right, we can't change our sexuality. Which is why when "99 percent of liberal women don't even give you a chance to sleep with them in the first place, they literally tell me their pussy dries out" you should leave them the fuck alone. I can tell from your comments you clearly don't like or respect women, especially liberal women. I get that you find them attractive. But they don't want to be with you or any Trump-supporting man. Deal with it. Move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 03:27 AM
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That means women would rather be alone than date a conservative man. Sounds accurate, yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 03:22 AM
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You're right, liberal women are the WORST. /s ...Maybe leave them alone and stop trying to date them?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 03:14 AM
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Does that mean conservative men should be discriminated against in dating. Do you want conservative men to remain sexless and loveless. I mean, yeah, I wouldn't wish a conservative man on any woman. Maybe try dating and having sex with other conservative men?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 03:12 AM
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Correct, you're not Trump. But you support him, voted for him, have no problem with how he treats women, and presumably agree with most of his politics. And liberal, anti-Trump women are going to have a problem with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 03:01 AM
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He was caught, on recording, bragging about sexually assaulting women. There's no proof and besides even if it was women should be able to discern between me and him. "I didn't sexually assault anyone, I'm just defending the right to!" Anyway, you should say all of this on a first date. Even better, on your Tinder profile.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 02:41 AM
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Off the top of my head: LGBT+ rights reproductive rights gender equality racial equality immigration rights consent and bodily integrity economic fairness environmental protection healthcare access religious freedom/secularism sex positivity global human rights
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 02:27 AM
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My two biggest turn-offs are unkindness and arrogance. So yeah, not exactly hard to avoid the "bad boys".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 02:12 AM
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You're insisting that the man who bragged about committing sexual assault and has been accused of it by 26 women is innocent. Think, long and hard, about why women would consider that a red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 02:10 AM
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It does. I still find it funny that RP men (not saying you are one) complain about women expecting them to provide financially or all being "gold-diggers" AND complain about women being too feminist and too liberal, when it would seem a liberal feminist woman is much more likely to want to split the check.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 02:06 AM
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Do you mean which side is louder/more vocal about it? Nope. I mean which party votes and passes bills for it. Which party is that, by the way? Because it gives women a right that men arguably don't even have, and then can't have because it would conflict with women's right. Because it's not the male body that goes through pregnancy. Why should they get any say whatsoever on another person's medical decisions? Men don't have the right to decide whether they want a child or not after a woman becom…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 02:02 AM
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Oh I completely agree, his moral atrocities go far beyond his views of women. Just pointing out that that's probably going to be very relevant to the women OP is dating when he says he supports Trump.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 01:49 AM
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What's false? The recording of him bragging about sexually assaulting women? Or the fact that 26 different women accused him of sexual misconduct? And no, it's not on "conservative men as a whole", but it's more than just "on him". It's on the men who VOTED for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 01:46 AM
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So you admit you're using shaming tactics to try to get women to reject feminism? And not, you know, actual criticisms of feminist theory?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 01:45 AM
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No one who knows FDS doesn't also know TRP. This isn't even a subreddit about FDS, it's about TRP/TBP. Isn't this sub from 2014? FDS didn't form until 2019 and they were a direct response to TRP. This is really not a difficult concept to understand. I understand you don't want to admit that you used a logical fallacy, but hey, it happens to the best of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 01:43 AM
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Right-wingers dismiss problems women encounter. Left-wingers bring these problems to light and push for justice and reform. When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 01:38 AM
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Nah. They just have similar interests or views. They don't typically support other people's interests over their own. I can agree to disagree with a person on many things, but if they don't support/care about other people's interests besides their own, we're not going to date or even be friends. These people don't have to be of a certain political orientation to do that. I'm sorry? What political orientation supports the wealthy paying higher taxes? How is that "in addition to?" A man supporting…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 01:36 AM
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My experience has been that the Venn Diagram between staunch political conservatives and a complete inability to consider the lived experiences of those they don't respect/encounter/know is a circle. It's never simply "political." Exactly this. I don't care about the strictly "political", I care about how they treat other humans who aren't themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 01:26 AM
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The only seemingly decent woman you ever met was a Democrat and self-proclaimed feminist? Imagine that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 01:17 AM
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Imagine voting for a candidate who bragged about sexually assaulting women and has something like 26 accusers to his name and then being shocked when women don't want to date you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 01:13 AM
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Imagine voting for a candidate who bragged about sexually assaulting women and has something like 26 accusers to his name and then being shocked when women don't want to date you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 01:08 AM
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Yep, knew someone would try to argue that. Except feminists aren't the ones calling themselves blue-haired, man-hating, manly lesbian landwhales. Now, if the women rejecting the label were doing so due to valid criticisms of feminism, it would be a different story.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 01:01 AM
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A lot of liberal people support other's interests, usually more so than conservative people do. Sometimes over their own, but more often in addition to their own. Over their own: a rich person who thinks the wealthy should pay higher taxes. In addition to their own: a white person who supports BLM. A man who supports women's reproductive rights. A person born in the US who supports immigration to the US. To me, the conservative view actually comes across as extremely solipsistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 12:58 AM
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Right? If you don't view women as equals AND you vote to take away their rights, you don't get to complain when women don't want anything to do with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 11:54 PM
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What u/midwestufohunter said. crazy femenazis pink hair SJWs Shaming tactics like these are precisely why some people reject the label.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 11:49 PM
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No, they're not justified at all. Not wanting to date someone whose views you likely find abhorrent is perfectly reasonable. Also, have you considered that not every woman wants a "masculine" or "chivalrous" man?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 11:44 PM
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Seems like results vary wildly depending on the poll and depending on the country. The same article that linked that study goes on to say: A 2018 YouGov poll found that 34% of women in the UK said "yes" when asked whether they were a feminist, up from 27% in 2013. It's a similar picture in Europe, with fewer than half of men and women polled in five countries agreeing they were a feminist. This ranged from 8% of respondents in Germany, to 40% in Sweden. And why do so many women who believe in ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 11:18 PM
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They probably realize how rape-y they themselves are, but should any woman say anything remotely implying that some men should be feared they have a total meltdown. I recently made a PPD post about hardships women face in the dating world, and I mention risk of violence/rape. Not surprisingly, many RP men with failed reading comprehension showed up in the comments to accuse me of being a man-hating feminist who thinks all men are rapists. And when I point out the situations that constitute rape,…
/r/ExRedPill23/07/21 11:11 PM
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I'd say Pew Research Center is a more reliable source. Something to note, too: 9.2% women in the U.K. study agree with "I would describe myself as a feminist". But 64.9% agree with "I believe in equality for women and men but I don’t describe myself as a feminist". Given how bad a name anti-feminists give feminism, this is not all too surprising.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 10:54 PM
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I'm extremely liberal. Even someone with only moderate conservative views is probably going to be much too conservative for me. Even if I agreed with her viewpoints on all of the important social issues she is passionate about, simply saying I lean conservatively would put me in enough of a negative light that she would never associate with me again in any manner? Are you saying you discussed your views on all the social issues important to her and you agreed with all of each other's viewpoints?…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 10:41 PM
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Do you mean 61%? Or do you not live in the US?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 10:35 PM
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Yep. Because according to them the only rape that is real (or isn't the woman's fault) is a stranger in a dark alley. And even then they'll argue that the woman was to blame (she shouldn't be walking alone, she shouldn't be out after dark, she shouldn't be showing any skin, she could have fought back harder, she should have been carrying a gun). And then they say all kinds of other rape-y shit and deny that any man (especially a MGTOW man) would ever dream of doing that to a woman.
/r/ExRedPill23/07/21 10:12 PM
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I understand that. Still don't understand what that has to do with TRP being unfair to women. Unless you're arguing that it is SO unfair that a group of women decided to create a movement in response to try to right their wrongs.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 10:03 PM
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A few clickbait-y articles doesn't prove it either. I'm talking about actual studies/data.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 11:26 AM
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"Well, they're unfair, but we do it too!" That what you meant? And why bring up FDS in the first place if not a tu quoque?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 11:16 AM
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It doesn't mention conflict between the sexes at all. The closest thing I could find was: Nearly half (47%) of all Americans say dating is harder today than it was 10 years ago. A third of adults (33%) say dating is about the same as it was a decade ago, and 19% say it’s easier. Women are much more likely than men to say dating has gotten harder (55% vs. 39%). Among those who say dating is harder today, 21% think it is because of increased risk, including physical risks as well as the risk of ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 11:14 AM
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Not at all. That article is about how advertising used to be really sexist, and that some ads today are sexist, too. I'm talking about evidence for increased hostility and conflict between men and women that's worse than ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 10:59 AM
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Yep, the old "man-hater" and "entitled" insults. Very original.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 10:50 AM
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Do you have any sources for conflict between the sexes being worse nowadays?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 10:19 AM
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Awesome!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 10:16 AM
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"All Men Are Rapists" is a statement of the underlying, instinctive reactions, thought processes and behaviour. In that regard, all men are the same, hence All Men Are Rapists. Something tells me they wouldn't like it if we turned the tables.
/r/ExRedPill23/07/21 09:58 AM
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Still seems good to me. Fewer unwanted/unplanned pregnancies, less havoc wreaked on the environment, and fewer wars over scarce resources. If people want to have fewer kids, let them have fewer kids. Encourage them to, even.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 09:51 AM
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What's wrong with declining birth rates? Seems like a positive to me. I also wouldn't mind if marriage became obsolete, so no problem there either.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 09:13 AM
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Not at all. Your entire argument was "well, we're unfair, but they do it too!" I don't have to be personally offended to point out faulty logic when I see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 09:08 AM
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It seems like they complain just as much either way. Women who do too much "maintenance" are labeled vain, conceited, self-centered, entitled, LIARS, and told that men won't find them attractive. Women who do too little maintenance are labeled lazy, not feminine, too hairy or manly, gross, accused of "letting themselves go", and told that men won't find them attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 08:26 AM
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FDS always reminded me of TRP. This is a great comment about them, by the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 07:43 AM
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Nah, it was definitely meant as a tu quoque.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 07:38 AM
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So what does FDS have to do with TRP being unfair to women? The OP doesn't mention FDS once.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 07:04 AM
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It doesn't answer the question though. It sounds like you're saying "well TRP isn't fair, but neither is FDS!" when TRP came first. So FDS has nothing to do with TRP being fair to women or not. And that was OP's question.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 05:12 AM
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I'm far from being a FDSer, but I always had the impression that FDS was a direct response to TRP/the Manosphere. So I did a quick Google search and turns out: FDS was formed in 2019 as a response to increasing toxicity in love and relationship dynamics fueled by "The Manosphere". So your logic is a bit backwards. "FDS is as fair to men as TRP is to women" would make much more sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 04:45 AM
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It's funny that you ask this now, because I was just talking about this. np.reddit.com/r/IncelExit/comments/ooxknu/it_finally_clicked/h62szlt?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 and np.reddit.com/r/IncelExit/comments/ooxknu/it_finally_clicked/h62yasy?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 and np.reddit.com/r/IncelExit/comments/ooxknu/it_finally_clicked/h632zhf?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 And to those who believe all this is a-ok because "sexual strategy is amoral" (a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 01:07 AM
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The "be a man" thinking is actually strongly perpetuated by TRP. Be the most masculine man, always take charge/lead, never show weakness, and NEVER open up to her about your emotions - even if she asks you to. While they complain about society never letting men show any weakness or emotions. I agree that society suppresses men expressing emotions/showing "weakness". But TRP takes it way further... and blames society for it.
/r/ExRedPill22/07/21 11:15 PM
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The thing is though, it's the exact same process whether it's used to target someone under or over 18. I don't think the word loses all power. Just specify "child grooming" if that's what you're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 06:32 AM
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Do you think even a master manipulator couldn't manipulate you? It can happen. To think otherwise is to be naive, or to think excessively highly of onseself, or both.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 06:27 AM
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People have different definitions.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 06:25 AM
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It depends on who you ask. I personally disagree. I don't think someone loses the possibility of being groomed the instant they turn 18. You can groom someone toward an abusive relationship at any age. Brief read on grooming.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 06:00 AM
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r/ihavesex
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 04:47 AM
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I completely take back what I said about your relationships being "great". "I assume they're harmless unless I receive evidence to the contrary." Evidence to the contrary has been received.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 04:45 AM
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but retroactively using the guys age to strip themselves of any agency they had when entering a relationship by calling it "grooming" I mean some of it certainly is that. What agency? Grooming someone (especially a CHILD) strips them of their agency inherently.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 04:41 AM
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I'm not so sure about that. Some women expect the man to lead/take charge, but many women want to be seen as an equal in their relationship. I actually think it could be the latter in the case of teen girls/older men. He's treating her more like an adult than the boys her age - at least that's how it comes across to her. But I suspect that once she gets lured in, he'll be more controlling/demanding to get her to conform to his wishes. It seems like that's what a lot of women in the thread were r…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 04:38 AM
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I'm not sure, but I just saw a news story about a 24 y/o man bringing a 12 y/o girl into the hospital who was in labor. He claimed to be the baby's father, and was surprised when the police showed up to talk to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 02:02 AM
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Women being more mature as a percentage of their maturity does not imply that they are more mature overall. "A percentage of their maturity"? That doesn't make sense at all. Which is why I'm asking who's more mature overall. I'm pointing out it's contradictory to claim that women mature faster, and that men mature faster, and that women are also mentally teenagers/children/toddlers. Women generally are far more mature until the age of about 21 where they stop maturing almost completely emotional…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 01:32 AM
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I'm sorry that this has happened to you. Those women are beyond ignorant, probably incredibly sexist, and aren't respecting your bodily autonomy. To say you dodged a bullet is an understatement. As another commenter pointed out, they've likely been indoctrinated by the false belief that men always want to have sex and will have sex with almost any woman. So when you don't want to have sex with them, even if it's just because you don't feel you know them well enough, they take it incredibly perso…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 11:48 PM
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Thank you. This needed to be said. One of the many things that TRP says that's just wildly contradictory.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 11:36 PM
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I think if an older party exclusively dates partners much younger than them, that's a huge red flag and something is most likely messed up about their relationships. I think if it's more of an exception, not the rule - you meet someone you really like and there just happens to be a large age gap - it's probably perfectly fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 10:44 PM
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No, I fully understand how the RP hamster wheels turn. I'm pointing out you cannot make the point that the 22 year old woman is more mature than the 22 year old man and that men are forced to grow up faster while women remain toddlers. Who's more mature on average - the man or the woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 09:43 PM
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Did you miss the part where they were as young as 12 when it started? And yes, many young people who are groomed lack the life experience to recognize it as grooming until they're much older.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 09:17 PM
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That's great. As I said, I have no problem with legal age gap relationships. I assume they're harmless unless I receive evidence to the contrary. Just pointing out that some women have had bad experiences when they were younger. That's probably why those late 20s-early 30s women are acting weird about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 09:16 PM
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Why do RPers always claim that men are forced to mature at a young age and that grown women retain the mental capacity of teenagers, then?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 09:07 PM
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By older women and loser men who can't get young beautiful women, yes. Their motives are quite different than just having an 'ick' factor. Not so sure about that. I was extremely "icked" as an underage teen girl when older men gave me unwanted sexual attention. I have zero problem with legal age gap relationships so long as one party's not being taken advantage of/completely fetishized.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 09:02 PM
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This thread may help give you some perspective. It's mainly women reflecting on the messed up "relationships" they had with older men when they were underage teens (in some cases as young as 12), but some cases of the women being 18-19 and dating a man twice their age. I don't inherently have any problem with legal age gaps, but if women are looking back on large age gap relationships they had and recognizing that they were completely taken advantage of, it seems an age gap relationship isn't in…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 08:55 PM
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How is “rape” defined here, and for most research studies? Completed or attempted vaginal, anal or oral sexual intercourse through the threat or actual use of force, or because the victim is incapacitated by drugs or alcohol. (Note: penetration can be with any body part or object, not just the penis.) So a guy threatening to break up with his girl if she didn't put out? Rape for the purposes of this study. A guy saying he'd go out with the boys if she didn't put out? Rape. Two drunk people hooki…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 08:33 PM
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No factor. It's a total turnoff when a guy tries to come across as "preselected". Not that it's (necessarily) a bad thing if other women are or have been interested, just that he's trying to use that to try to attract me. Same with trying to show social proof.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 08:49 AM
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I don't. In terms of why some women do - I wonder this a lot myself actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 08:18 AM
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Except women are routinely compared to pigs, cows, and whales all the time in an attempt to mock and insult their physical appearance. It's a minor point, but a point nonetheless.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 05:52 AM
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So you admit it is a slap in the face to rape victims, then? Women have it overall harder? I mean in the Western world are you actually serious? Or do you take into account developing countries too? Taking both into account.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 05:45 AM
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Sure: 31.7% of surveyed men said they'd force themselves on a woman in a consequence-free situation. 4-16% of college men admit they have raped or attempted to rape. That's preposterous the standard for what is rape has lowered and the things considered rape considerably increased. As society becomes more educated and understands consent and bodily agency better and rape myths are debunked - yes, it does. Rape "survivors" are given sainthood status through their victim identity and recieve prais…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 05:37 AM
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Oh, and something like 31% of men say they'd rape. What lmfao. Something like 4-16% admit they have. I don't think I've seen the data you're referring to here. This was collected across all ages and demographics and had one uniform definition of rape? Read my OP. Scroll to where you see the purple links. Yes some of the men are likely lying, but there isn't a culture in place to encourage men to interpret a large variety of things as rape or attempted rape. There's no culture in place that encou…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 02:06 AM
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I address here the prevalence of men who rape. As I said, it's not most men. But it is not an insignificant number: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/om1k3w/unpopular\_opinion\_men\_dont\_have\_it\_harder\_than/h5q8s6c?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 01:46 AM
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You commented 2 minutes after I commented. Did you care to even look at the data at all? And do you have a better way of collecting data on how many people have been raped if you refuse to ask people if they've been raped? Are you saying when asked if they've been raped, people will lie and say they have? Common sense (and data) would dictate that rape is actually underreported. Oh, and something like 31% of men say they'd rape. Something like 4-16% admit they have. Are those men lying, too?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 01:40 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/om1k3w/unpopular_opinion_men_dont_have_it_harder_than/h5q54az?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 1 in 5 women (18.3-21.3%) having been raped doesn't seem "extremely rare" at all. Also seeing as 9 out of 10 rape victims are female, it also seems that women face sexual violence at much greater rates. What do you make of that?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 01:30 AM
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Do you mean to the police? That wouldn't surprise me at all. Only about 1 in 3 rapes is reported, and I'm sure men have an even harder time reporting than women do. The statistics I've included are self-reported, so I don't know that people are going to underreport there, unless you mean the men/women who don't even realize they've been raped - which is not uncommon, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 01:26 AM
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Actually, among singles, more women than men are NOT dating. 43% of men vs. 60% of women 39% of men vs. 62% of women
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 01:17 AM
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Are you saying this is a risk for all people with money, or only in some parts of the world or in specific circumstances? And how likely is to happen to someone just because they're rich? Women everywhere risk being raped just because they're women. Furthermore, someone with a lot of money could hypothetically easily get rid of their money so that people won't steal it. I'm not saying that option would be worth it to them, merely that it's an option. A person (man or woman) can take no such acti…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 12:41 AM
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Given dangers at any time for every living being are not to be avoided. Men can fall for scam, can be lured by a girl into trap to be robbed (heavily underrated btw.), divorce raped, paternety fraud (at higher rates than rape). And also men are more prone to robbed just like that, you love to ignore it because it isnt't directly related to dating. I cannot think of a bigger slap in the face to actual rape victims than the term "divorce rape". Financial loss is not akin to being raped. Use a diff…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 12:22 AM
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I agree with some of the criticisms of feminism as well, particularly of radical feminism. However, they call all women feminists (unless she's a TRP trad wife fantasy) and they lump all feminists together as believing the same things. Brief article on the extent to which American women consider themselves to be feminist. Regarding feminism, what RPers fail to consider is that there are multiple types of feminism and the branches often disagree with each other, even thinking completely opposite …
/r/ExRedPill20/07/21 11:53 PM
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You're right man. It's the misogyny. It's given me such a strong us vs them mentality. I almost feel like women aren't people to date at this point, but they feel like an enemy. Not that I actually feel resentful towards women, but it almost feels like a war deep down, if that makes sense. It makes total sense, because that's what Red Pillers believe. Men vs. women. Win the battle at all costs. Maintain all the power. Give nothing away. Of course they resent women, because they think women are t…
/r/ExRedPill20/07/21 11:34 PM
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It depends entirely on the intentions of said joke. I believe the intentions behind this one are that the woman is sick of facing discrimination and violence from men, and wants to prove a point like "what if men had to be the ones scared of women?". Still in extremely poor taste, though. I'm glad we can reach the agreement that women don't kill men at nearly the rates that men kill women. So do you at least understand where the women making that joke are coming from?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 11:09 PM
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I wrote it because I enjoy putting my thoughts to paper and hoped it would spark a discussion. I don't care about collecting "upvotes"; in fact, I'm not surprised that most people here disagree. The common assertion is that men have it much, much harder in the dating world. My assertion is that it's roughly equal. This is important because the dating realm is one of the only regions women don't have it much harder than men. Any other realm I can think of (political power, business leadership, ec…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 10:13 PM
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What sentiments? "Kill all men" is a very distasteful joke. Women don't kill men at nearly the rates that men kill women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 10:05 PM
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I understood that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 10:01 PM
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Pointing out that women fear men who won't take "no" for an answer is not implying all men are bloodthirsty rapists/murderers. Pointing out that the amount of men who rape isn't insignificant is not implying all men are bloodthirsty rapists/murderers. I'm not saying that the fear is so great it stops me from dating altogether. But i's definitely going to affect the way I date, and I know there are severe consequences if something does go wrong. Although I will point out that data shows about 60%…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 09:59 PM
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This was an issue long, long before the "kill all men" catchphrase.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 09:53 PM
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Saying "I don't care" is akin to saying "nuh uh". I'm not demanding you care, I'm pointing out that you're trying to claim someone saying "I don't care" invalidates all my arguments, which it doesn't. They call something irrelevant, a red herring, leading one down the primrose path, or simply ignoring a point by refuting it with another. But you're not saying any of those things. You're claiming not to care enough to keep discussing something. It would be like a debater throwing a hissy fit at t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 09:28 PM
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I'm not arguing that it isn't. But there's your evidence that, time and time again, kindness is more important to people than physical attractiveness. You're saying physical attractiveness is 90% of the equation and so every other quality combined equates to only 10%. The evidence directly contradicts this.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 09:14 PM
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Direct me to any point where I implied men are "blood-thirsty savages" who "aren't going to be interested in anything expect for raping and killing [me]". I'll wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 07:51 AM
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They don't have to do any of those things in order to be murdered. That's the point. They're murdered for just existing. Or doing things men are allowed to do. You think women should be put to death because they "dress inappropriately"? The guy has to marry the woman, stay with her, give her many kids, keep her at home. All the woman has to do to do is cook some food and keep her mouth shut. Are you kidding me? Ok, you're trolling.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 06:01 AM
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Can you quote me where the studies assert that?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 05:57 AM
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Sorry, I never took Incel 101.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 05:56 AM
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I'm not referring to a study being false. I'm referring to your comments being false. What you said that was downright false (that I saw): -ADHD can be eliminated through a healthy lifestyle? 100%. -When I say healthy, I am not referring to salads, legumes, and whole grains. All of those GIVE you autism. -ADHD, sleep disturbances, and neurosis are not normal and can be eliminated through a healthy diet.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 03:30 AM
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Are you saying your FB friends are predominantly women? Is that because you have mostly female friends? Even so, the vast majority of men also use social media.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 03:08 AM
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Again, saying "I don't care" shows that you refuse to debate and have no intention of ever having your opinion swayed. Or you think you cannot provide good counterarguments. One or the other, maybe both. But it is a reflection on you, and not a flattering one. Have you ever watched a debate? You think they argue by telling the opponent "I don't care" over and over again? It shows you’ve failed to persuade me of your position. No, accusing me of lying is an ad hominem attack. If anything, it show…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 02:54 AM
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Maybe you and your "bros" would. But many men enjoy spending time with the opposite sex. I'm kind of sad for you that you don't, presumably if you want to ever date women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 02:47 AM
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Your repeated insistence that he's gay points to you having the same "insane" type of views you're worried about finding in a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 02:45 AM
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TRP philosophy is about men and women in the heterosexual dating world. If it were about the homosexual dating world, then sure, I'd see how women's contributions wouldn't be welcome. But they can and do offer insight, even if RPers refuse to listen most of the time. I believe I understand TRP much better than the average RPer. And I, for a fact, understand women better. Tiktok isn't relevant. We're talking about OLD, which can be and is used by adults of all ages.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 02:39 AM
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Because you're spewing false information left and right. That is what's harmful here.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 02:34 AM
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Refer to my post about the reasons I find it problematic. I'll summarize it for you. It's a shitty debate tactic (and I like to debate) and it contributes to an environment that's hostile towards women. Furthermore, it keeps RPers stuck in false ways of thinking that are not only harmful to others but to themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 02:33 AM
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Let's not call another person a "pig woman". When I swipe on dating apps: If I am attracted to a guy and I think he is a "good man", I'll swipe right. If I am not attracted to a guy and/or I don't think he is a good man, I'll swipe left. Both things (among others, of course) are crucial in a relationship. I'm sure no man wants to start a relationship with a woman who doesn't find him attractive. Many men here express the fear of being "settled for". Sure, dating is somewhat a numbers game, but i…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 02:29 AM
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What I mean is it has to do with something other than ugliness, then. Like Elliot Rodger was definitely an above average looking guy. Yet no women wanted to date him. Because the red flags he gave off were surely recognizable from miles away.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 02:23 AM
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I've addressed this (RPers hating "moralizing") in another comment actually. Read it and let me know what you think: https://www.reddit.com/r/exredpill/comments/onfep7/i\_once\_told\_rasktrp\_thats\_their\_morale\_seemed/h5tbmpl?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 02:18 AM
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No, you can explain why you think that way. This is a debate sub. "Muh misogyny" doesn't answer my question. We debate things here.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 02:16 AM
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Would you mind if I sent you a longer message asking about what are or are not removable offenses in terms of posts and comments here?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 02:02 AM
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You missed my point. Which is that RPers are guilty of generalizing their bad experiences with women (or secondhand bad experiences - like those they read about on TRP) and falsely claiming all women are like that. AWALT. If you are insinuating something very negative, and then say people "like you" are the ones doing it, you are insinuating that they are likely to do it, too. I realize you didn't expect to be called out for it, but let's not pretend like that's not exactly what you meant. "I do…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 01:59 AM
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Perhaps you don't understand. Girls/women are murdered when they don't agree to a forced marriage. When they want a divorce from an existing marriage. When someone makes a false allegation against them. When they dress the way they choose. When they have a consensual sexual relationship. When they fall in love with someone outside of their caste. When someone else decides to rape them. Maybe I'm giving you too much credit. Maybe you understand all this perfectly fine, just think that by nature o…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 01:39 AM
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That's because people say those things in utter seriousness. Don't attempt to mislead people so you can mock those you misled. I definitely have no sympathy for fat men or fat women Not sure how the fat shaming is relevant, but get it off your chest, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 01:07 AM
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As do many women. If you were someone who judges ideas on their truth and worth, you wouldn't be subscribed to the idea that that's a "female" way of thinking. Although many RP types do find that idea quite fashionable. Furthermore, OP is not arguing that it's a bad idea because others simply won't like you. They're arguing it's a bad idea because it directly conflicts with one's goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 12:59 AM
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Ah, I see. The "/s" would have been useful. There are very many people here who will say things like that in utter seriousness. Or say they agree with your comment, and not be joking. Your comment is actually hilarious now that I know you're joking.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 12:55 AM
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It will never cease to amuse me how obsessed RPers are with their made up 80/20 rule and the mental gymnastics they'll partake in to try to justify it. Be honest, how ecstatic were you when the percentage of men who don't work out daily just happened to be 80%?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 12:38 AM
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That is so beyond insulting to people who have been struggling with mental health disorders for decades and have trying to cure themselves for just as long. And many people have perfectly healthy diets AND have mental health disorders.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 12:33 AM
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Were you diagnosed with a mental health disorder? Or are you assuming that's what it was? You are not taking into account that some of the mental health disorders you're claiming to have cures for are present from birth. Like ADHD.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 12:29 AM
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We're talking about young, unmarried men here. Also, it seems like a lot of MRPs wish they weren't married in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 12:23 AM
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Why is men approaching and women being approached the only option? Wouldn't women approaching more men decrease the "sexlessness" that some men here are so worried about?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 12:03 AM
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You misunderstand the point of my claim. It's not so important whether it's "all" or "some" women. It's that you made it into a women vs. men thing. Like women seek validation on social media, and men do not. Is that an accurate interpretation?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 11:57 PM
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And how does that effect me an what can I do to help Educate yourself on consent and don't victim blame or offer unsolicited advice to women on how to not get raped. Seems so simple, yet unfortunately most men and women can't even do that. So if you can do those things, you'll be more of an ally to women. Ally to women = better relationships with women. Which ties into your comment which prompted this discussion, which was: I think I know my attractive pretty well, I'm upset that even girls way …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 11:55 PM
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Exactly this. I think they see it as a social status thing too, like all the other men and older women are going to be really jealous of them with their hot 19 y/o piece of ass.
/r/ExRedPill19/07/21 11:47 PM
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RP revenge fantasies usually involving them being 40-50 y/o and banging only women under the age of 25.
/r/ExRedPill19/07/21 11:46 PM
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None of your business. Your opinion means jack shit here, let alone 'social shaming tactics'. Simple, tight pussy > old hag. Also, no one wants left overs, we fuck them, we don't date em. Hoe who's passed around more than a cheating sheet in hs. Just a reminder, this ain't PPD. Moralizing is banned on the sight here. So fucking gross. They say they hate "moralizing" because they want to behave like utter sociopaths without facing any legal or even social repercussions for their actions and avoid…
/r/ExRedPill19/07/21 11:44 PM
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You're a woman who exists in his space. He doesn't like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 11:18 PM
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I asked how you claimed to know the intentions/psyche of every women on social media, and you said the "woman" part didn't matter - implying that it's the same for men on social media. Did I misunderstand your claim?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 11:16 PM
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Men use social media, too. For different reasons. Mostly to talk to the women that are on social media. You've contradicted yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 11:06 PM
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It's been shown that kindness is the single most important trait people look for in partners. Kindness again. And again.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 10:56 PM
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"Male validation" turns into a number beyond a certain point, and the higher the number (of followers, subscribers, likes, matches, etc) stoke the attention furnace and keep it from growing cold, dark and empty. That sure sounds resentful. You sound more hostile than I do right now, funny enough. Getting hostile at being asked if you're getting hostile. Textbook.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 10:50 PM
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If you read what I sent you'll see that you are, in fact, dead wrong. What's the goal of this conversation indeed if you refuse to acknowledge any actual evidence? I'm not reading through all of that, how do you prevent rape. Two primary prevention programs aimed at educating middle schoolers about sexual violence resulted in a decrease in sexual violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 10:48 PM
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Men of my caliber You mean all the sexist whining about the female sex on the Internet? While simultaneously trying to brag about how great you see yourself? So much for "knowing one's value".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 10:38 PM
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Why are you obsessed with the idea of women "knowing their own value"? Like... what's the worst thing that can happen if she doesn't? I can easily point out that most TRPers don't know their own value at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 10:34 PM
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You're extremely mistaken. Don't say you speak for all of PPD when you can't even get the first thing right about why women use dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 10:32 PM
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Way to give yourself away that this supposedly Change My View post is really just an outlet for your anger at the "modern woman" and how much male attention she gets.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 10:29 PM
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Why do you claim to know the intentions and inner psyche of every woman with a social media following?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 10:26 PM
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Men use social media, too. Also, are you seriously being resentful towards women for having a social media presence? Does their number of followers/likes really trigger your hostility that badly?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 10:25 PM
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This post is really insulting towards women. Both what you linked to and what you wrote. If you're deluded into thinking dudes throwing you dm's and likes means anything other than the fact that these guys look at you as nothing more than a human fleshlight, then the pig woman experiment should dispel you of any notion that the attention you're getting actually means anything when one of the ugliest woman alive (and she's PHOTOSHOPPED to be even uglier than genetics would allow), then i don't kn…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 10:19 PM
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Of course. But my point stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 10:06 PM
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Unfortunately, even victims who report rape very rarely receive justice and are often re-victimized throughout the reporting process. So much so that some regret reporting in the first place. The proven way to reduce rape is primary prevention. Three strategies which have evidence of being helpful: the prevention programs Safe Dates and Shifting Boundaries, both of which are curriculums given to middle schoolers, and the U.S. Violence Against Women Act of 1994. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 10:04 PM
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Yeah, but that's not women's fault whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 09:41 PM
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So you giving advice to rape victims on how to not get raped again who aren’t actively seeking your advice is going to come across as invalidating, unhelpful, and probably insulting. You really have no basis behind your statements other than what you’ve heard people repeat before. And women have, without a doubt, heard all of it. What you’re telling them is basic common sense, and it implies that you think a woman doesn’t have that same common sense. And that you’re in any way qualified to give …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 06:15 PM
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Have you done any research on how to prevent rapes? Even just a quick Google search?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 05:20 PM
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I can see how it could happen more frequently if their partners are not upfront about their personalities from the beginning and show their true colors in time. My original comment was stating that people are turned away from the start for having bad personalities. But it's also possible for people to rationalize their date's bad personality or that their date is just being on their best behavior to begin with. Behavior that gets progressively worse throughout the relationship. In terms of being…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 05:20 PM
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No, I'm not saying you're doing it to get a girl to choose you. I'm asking you why you do it. To decrease rapes? Some other reason?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 04:50 PM
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I'm saying you can. Not you do. I was not referring to you. I'm saying this is common amongst Red Pill/MGTOW/incel types.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 04:48 PM
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Nah, not most men. Also, finding someone confusing doesn't mean you can't also find them interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 04:46 PM
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Is this the norm, though? I'm talking about overall. I will give you this - you can't fake looks. But you can fake personality. What was their reasoning for staying with these partners?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 04:46 PM
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I'm a woman and I've never done "AF/BB" nor do I know any women who do anything remotely like this. Although disclaimer that I'm not in my 30s yet. But I just don't believe it. It doesn't make any sense to me. Although I was watching trashy reality show the other day and heard a man talk about doing this. He said he's fucked around a lot with different women and now that he was in his late 20s he was looking to settle down. I could see some people taking dating less seriously in their youth and …
/r/ExRedPill19/07/21 04:38 PM
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Do you think telling victims to change their behavior is helping solve rape? More than focusing on the rapists' behavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 04:30 PM
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Let me ask you this: what are you trying to accomplish with your victim blaming? Am I correct in assuming you're simply trying to decrease the number of rapes that occur? Any other reason?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 04:29 PM
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What's wrong with thinking like a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 04:21 PM
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What's wrong with having a "female" way of thinking?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 04:20 PM
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Why does TRP conveniently argue for double standards when they favor men and vehemently oppose them when they favor women?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 04:16 PM
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Way to prove their point.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 04:13 PM
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Your misconception is that TRP is misogyny. It's not. It's simply a bitter truth you refuse to accept. Terps can say this until they're blue in the face - doesn't make it true. Their own misogyny is the real bitter truth they refuse to accept. And if I'm supposed to discard the worldview I find most accurate when faced with childish threats of "do this or you won't get laid", so be it. Although you have to admit it's more than a touch ironic that people turn to TRP because, first and foremost, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 04:08 PM
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Being a player and being misogynistic are both negative traits, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 03:57 PM
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If misogyny is only skin deep, why do some misogynists commit heinous crimes against women? Choosing to commit a felony would imply that it runs deeper than that. Also, how do you explain all the RPers who claim to be very successful with women but are still deeply misogynistic?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 03:55 PM
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You can say the same thing about personality though. The worse your personality, the quicker people pick up on it. And you won't be considered an option either.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 03:53 PM
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When you can read a user's entire misogynistic post history, of course people are going to rightly claim it's his personality that's standing in the way the most. On a note related to personality, someone who constantly compares themselves and bitches about how hard they have it and how unfair life is to them isn't going to have an attractive personality, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 03:52 PM
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How important is physical attractiveness, in your opinion? If you can quantify it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 03:49 PM
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How do you explain not all incels being ugly though?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 03:44 PM
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If many men are finding women interesting, and you're not, don't you think the problem has something to do with you?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 03:40 PM
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Have you considered that maybe they think your view is just as insane? If you can't get over a difference in opinion with someone, simply don't date that person. You can also try educating yourself on why they think the way they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 03:34 PM
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Also, you may say empathy doesn't work for you, but there are benefits for you if you practice empathy: https://goals.com/5-benefits-of-empathy-and-how-to-be-more-empathetic More on empathy: https://mike-robbins.com/the-power-of-empathy/ Something to consider: if people were more empathetic, would this increase or decrease the amount of rapes in the world?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 03:16 PM
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It is unsolvable, as rape will never go away completely. But it can, and should, be lessened as much as possible. And educating people about rape and consent is the best way to do that. Therefore, talking about it is part of the solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 03:14 PM
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Having empathy for others is very helpful, actually. It feels good to be on the receiving end. And it can help people problem-solve themselves. Your argument seems to be that rape is unsolvable so why discuss it. End of.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 02:56 PM
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Because I thoroughly enjoy writing/debating, particularly gender issues. I never said I find it "so hard". Did you actually read my post?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 02:54 PM
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Abusers may face legal consequences for their actions (even though they usually don't - less than 1% of rapes lead to conviction). However, that is not the same as them taking personal responsibility. In fact, many abusers blame their victim. Many people will claim that the victims also has to take responsibility (this is called victim blaming). But if others blame the victim AND the abuser blames the victim AND the victim blames themselves (as they usually do)... don't you think too much blame …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 02:52 PM
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Empathy. Try to have some empathy about women's experiences. Especially seeing as you're on a debate sub for men's/women's issues. If you're not going to be empathetic, what's the point?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 02:44 PM
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Older people can use technology just like younger people. Same with using OLD. And we're talking about 30 year olds here; they grew up with technology, too. Most males here seem to be under 30 according to the surveys and the topics being asked. So you're saying that most men here are under 30 and most women here are above 30? Even if that's true (though I wouldn't think it is), I still don't understand why they can't discuss dating or TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 02:41 PM
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Since you said you like visuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 02:36 PM
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I summarized it: Men face disadvantage in being expected to take charge/pursue, provide financially, and having fewer people expressing interest in them. Women face disadvantage in experiencing widespread misogyny/slut-shaming, lower levels of sexual pleasure, the full risk/burden of pregnancy, and increased risk of sexual/physical violence. It's like a fool me once thing, everyone gets one. It's hard to think it's "all these guys' fault" when it's the 4th time the same shit happened, at some po…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 02:32 PM
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If we're going to stay on this topic any further, perhaps you can address my comment here: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/om1k3w/unpopular_opinion_men_dont_have_it_harder_than/h5ph7pe?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 You did not address the vast majority of what I said. There is only one way - do not interact with men without witnesses. There is no way for a woman to prevent being raped. She can't ensure witnesses will help, nor can she ensure there will be witness…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 02:25 PM
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What "word salad" did you skip? Have you considered there are other variables to consider besides "choice"? Any at all? Yeah I've heard the "why" a ton, and it's often enough the woman's fault for picking poorly that I don't really care. You always blame the person who the act. Not the person who "allowed" the act to happen to them. The last part was obviously a joke, try to have some fun on here. All I know about you is you disagree with me, not enough data to hate you Unfortunately, I don't ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 02:12 PM
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I know all about AF/BB. It's a Red Pill fantasy. You can perform mental gymnastics needed to claim that women are all secretly like this. Or you can leave the Red Pill bubble and have unbiased, real world experiences. Up to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 02:00 PM
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I'm not claiming that I can't use the solution because I "care what others think about this solution". I'm claiming that it is not a working solution like you claim. For the reasons I mentioned. But I can be swayed, so please feel free to address those reasons. It won't decrease chances of course why would it? But it will allow you to protect yourself in the worst case scenario instead of accepting you fate because men are just more physically strong in general. I'm asking if it significantly de…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 01:58 PM
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I can assume the study you linked me to only surveyed the 18-30 age range then. If that's the only age range you care to consider a study about. Please provide a link to the 18-30 age range study that I don't have to pay to read.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 01:43 PM
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You seem to have taken my comment way too personally. I asked if you had some hostility towards women. I wasn't assuming that you did, merely suspected and so I asked you to clarify. I don't actually hate women for abusing the dating climate, but I can hate how rigged it is, no? I'm sure if I had infinite choice I too would explore many possibilities. I actually made a post on that here: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/om1k3w/unpopular_opinion_men_dont_have_it_harder_than/ It'…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 01:27 PM
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I still don't get why it matters if the female posters are over 30 but not the male posters. And the responders aren't even those females but some old timers before OLD was a thing with zero clue about modern trends You're saying that the women who tend to respond are much older than their 30s? People can keep up those "modern trends" especially if they're still in the dating world. And older people can lend experience younger people might not have yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 01:07 PM
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What guys dont like is that women have two different sets of standards for alphas and betas. Women don't think this - Red Pillers think this. I have never even heard the terms "alpha male" or "beta male" from a woman's mouth. Only from men. Specifically Red Pill men. I don't employ this dating strategy and I don't know any woman who does. Also though as long as somebody is attractive enough for me Im attracted to them. Its really more of a binary thing. I sort of have the feeling that one person…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 01:02 PM
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I can't read that because I'm not a paid subscriber. I'd be happy to ready the study it's referring to though. What did you think of the study I linked you to?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 12:31 PM
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I know exactly what you said. I quoted you twice. If you just meant "women", you would have just said "women". You were definitely making a point. Hence why I corrected you. Also, answer this: How is this view any better than a woman who claims all men are rapists? Maybe the woman in question also believes all men are liars? If you think the entirety of the opposite sex is lying to you about everything, have you considered that that's not a "them" problem, it's you?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 12:07 PM
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Because it seems you so badly want to see women as awful and shallow that you tried to prove it by referring to a moment from a reality TV show.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 12:01 PM
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What's a "feminist fantasy"? That honor killings exist? Or that honor killings only exist in parts of the world? That's fine. Men are just not required to marry them. They have fun with these women and then marry virgins from the homeland. They're not asking those men to marry them. They're simply having their fun as well. Also, no self-respecting woman would marry a man who sleeps around yet requires his future wife be a virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 11:59 AM
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Calling out and challenging misogyny will.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 11:49 AM
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I can't tell if this comment is sarcastic or not. It's so hard nowadays to tell.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 11:47 AM
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It is a solution. And if it works why would you care whether it is reasonable or not? You're playing semantics. I have no idea. But firearms is not the only option anyway I mentioned that they can be used if they are legal to own in your country but primary solutions I originally offered were pepper sprays, tasers and other kinds of non-lethal weapons. They should be legal in many countries I suppose and usually they can be bought without too much paperwork. I'm curious, do you think women carry…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 11:46 AM
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In a study looking at data from 17,744 people in the United States, 15.2% of males and 26.7% of females reported having no sex in the last year, while 8.7% of males and 17.5% of females reported not having had sex for 5 years or more. So seems they are having less sex than men are. What do you make of that?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 11:35 AM
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Ha, that's fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 11:30 AM
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You're likely biased with those as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 11:30 AM
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They're going to be angry and bitter, and TRP acknowledges this through what they call the "anger phase". TRP loves to parade that idea around, but I easily see right through it. Red Pill ECs are literally just as misogynistic as men in the so-called anger phase. They resent women just as much, but have developed strategies for dating in spite of their resentment. That is, if you believe all the "field reports", but even RPers know most of those are fabricated.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 11:29 AM
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You're quite easily enraged, then.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 11:12 AM
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If a man sees a woman having sex with him quickly as her "treating him well" and not having sex with him quickly as her "treating him poorly", that's a huge red flag. Says a lot about how he views sex and feels entitled.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 11:10 AM
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What's wrong with being 30+? Why aren't you worried about how old the men are?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 10:57 AM
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Men in other parts of the world see these women as a joke. Men in other parts of the world also treat women as less than property and kill girls/women for having been raped. Imagine thinking that's a preferable view to have over allowing women to have some sexual pleasure.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 10:55 AM
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In another comment, you seem to be very hostile towards "dating culture" because you think it favors women. Is some of that hostility being directed towards women as well? No woman is going to want to date someone who hates her for being a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 10:46 AM
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Actually, among single people, something like 40% of men and 60% of women are not dating. So it seems like it's women, not men, who are more likely to have dropped out of dating. (Not sure what you mean by "drop out of society", though.)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 10:44 AM
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So she's a "hoe" if she's slept with other men in the past? But presumably not a "hoe" if she has sex with you within an hour of meeting you?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 10:34 AM
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I read it, thank you for sharing and I am truly sorry that you had to deal with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 10:19 AM
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Address what you said. Your statement was that women can't have it bad in the dating world because they don't opt out of dating. I presented evidence that women are 50% more likely than men to not be dating. What does that tell you?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 10:10 AM
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I've never seen men get attacked here (or anywhere, actually) for saying they only date women they find attractive. Yet women get attacked here for saying they only date men they find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 09:54 AM
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True. But I don't think one should undervalue sexual attractiveness, either. Some people try to force relationships with people they aren't really attracted to because they don't want to feel shallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 09:53 AM
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Stick to the topic. This directly disputes your point that: If the average dude's loneliness was a better option, women would have given up on dating and sex by now. It isn't. They know deep down that the attention and positive reinforcement they get is vastly more preferable, even with a few creeps and crazies thrown in.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 09:51 AM
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Here is the part of my post I think you should read. Difficulties women face: Women are taught from a young age that they can’t be too easy, too sexual, or “give it away” too soon. That if they do, society will no longer take them seriously, no self-respecting man will ever want them, and they’ll die lonely surrounded by cats. Women have sexual desires that they’re not allowed to act on. If they find themselves mutually attracted to a man, they have to weigh the pros and the cons on acting upon …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 09:45 AM
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Pretty sure my current president benefited from his wife to get there. So it happens, less commonly. However that is true for the very high class, not much for the middle and working class. Yes, it's far less common. Evidence that men hold more power. Men and women have options regarding how they level up, women tend to have more options than men because they can also compete in the male competition while men can't really compete in the female competition. I'm struggling to understand what you'r…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 09:43 AM
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But you're still acting like something out of a scripted reality show is hard proof.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 08:43 AM
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It is honestly hard to see women as equals when they are so insecure that they cannot go outside in public without painting their face. If you're making statements like this, it's probably hard for you to see women as equals even if they conformed to every one of your standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 08:42 AM
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I'd say the vast, vast majority of people will experience increased or decreased attraction to someone based on their personality. I'd say the percentage that doesn't is probably smaller than the percentage of people who don't take looks into account at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 08:40 AM
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So only the hottest people are allowed say "I need to be attracted"? Don't RP men also say they never want to be "settled" for? And that if a woman doesn't fuck him right away because she's so viscerally attracted, they dump her? Also LOL at "30 year old spinster".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 08:37 AM
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Most people already value all those things. It's funny how some men here simultaneously complain about women's standards being too high and not wanting any woman who "settles" for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 08:30 AM
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When it comes to makeup as a woman, you really can't win. Some men claim makeup is deceitful and any woman who wears it is a horrible person, and some men claim all women need it to look beautiful for them and accuse women who don't wear it as lazy and not taking care of her looks. it's deceitful because make-up itself is used to make yourself look more attractive than you really are. Have you ever done anything in your life to make yourself look more attractive? And again: are you saying you ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 08:23 AM
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That’s quite an accusation. Where on earth did I drop red flags that I would be abusive? I’ve never put my hands on a woman and never would. You literally blamed women for men physically abusing them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 07:53 AM
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If the average dude's loneliness was a better option, women would have given up on dating and sex by now. Actually, many have. Among singles, around 60% of women are not dating compared to only around 40% of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 07:51 AM
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Actually, the self-reported stats are harrowing. 4-16% of college men admit they have raped or attempted to rape. "Almost a third of the men (31.7 percent) said that in a consequence-free situation, they’d force a woman to have sexual intercourse, while 13.6 percent said they would rape a woman."
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 07:41 AM
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I'm dumbfounded that you think the line "I just couldn't imagine having that on me" is high quality comedy that could only be written by writers who are better than SNL!
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 07:24 AM
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...you think only an SNL quality screenwriter could write the line "I just couldn't imagine having that on me"?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 07:14 AM
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Oh hey look, you're the one who falsely claimed a man beat me and "choked my ass" and then told me you "can certainly understand" why he did it, that you're sure I "did plenty of [gaslighting] to him" and that "The only real mistake he made was putting up with you to the point he wanted to strangle you instead of just leaving". I can't wait to continue what I'm sure will be a totally civilized debate with you! /s In case you try to gaslight me (since you seem to love that accusation): https://ww…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 07:09 AM
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Do you really think men have any clue what makeup you have on unless it's overwhelmingly obvious? There is literally a look called 'natural...' Then educate yourself more on makeup if the possibility a woman might be wearing it bothers you so much. Furthermore, if it's so natural you can't even tell she's wearing it, it's not altering her appearance that much. I 100% agree. Then women wouldn't feel insanely entitled all the time since the 7s and 8s they usually talk to would see them as the aver…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 07:00 AM
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If the producers were going to script anything, it would be that personality wins out at the end of the day and good people succeed despite their physical shortcomings (like a lot of the scriptwriters on here profess). Alas, reality is a cruel and spiteful mistress. This is trashy reality TV we're talking about. It's literally ALL about the conflict and drama. Whatever they possibly can to get views.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 06:54 AM
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Statistics for you: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/om1k3w/unpopular\_opinion\_men\_dont\_have\_it\_harder\_than/h5q54az?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 06:51 AM
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1 in 5 women (21.3%) experienced completed or attempted rape during her lifetime. 1 in 14 men (7.1%) was made to penetrate someone (completed or attempted) during his lifetime. Source: https://www.nsvrc.org/sites/default/files/2021-04/2015data-brief508.pdf Nearly 1 in 5 women (18.3%) and 1 in 71 men (1.4%) in the United States have been raped at some time in their lives Approximately 1 in 21 men (4.8%) reported that they were made to penetrate someone else during their lifetime Source: https://w…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 06:48 AM
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The "one in 4" claim isn't how many women are raped in a year. The claim is 1 in 5 women are raped in their lifetime. What about how they conducted the study are you claiming is "bullshit"?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 06:41 AM
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Never heard of it. I wouldn't get your impression of the dating world from a trashy reality show. ESPECIALLY given that they're often overwhelmingly scripted.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 06:32 AM
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A continuation of my other comment: You could and that would be true for at least some men. So when men bring up their difficulties they're at "least sometimes" playing the victim. Yet when women bring up their difficulties they're always playing the victim? Your argument is basically that the risks of dating and sex are greater for women outweighing the advantage of options but I'm not buying that the risks are really that great, or at least they're not significantly discouraging to many women.…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 06:22 AM
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(continued from last comment) Do you have anything to support this assumption? Because it looks very unreasonable and irresponsible thing to do. After all, I you don't report criminals they will commit crimes again so I would call it a moral duty of every person. Some statistics on what percent are reported: 31% of sexual assaults 37% of sexual assaults 36% of rapes, 34% of attempted rapes, and 26% of sexual assaults I have actually heard a lot anecdotal evidence that many people regret reportin…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 05:13 AM
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I don't doubt that men face rejection for being too short. They complain about it often, so I'm sure it happens frequently. I'd be curious to know what it was about you being short that was unattractive to them. Like does she have a minimum height requirement because she likes the number (like 6')? Is it the idea that a man has to be her height or taller? Or is she simply not physically attracted to men once they hit the threshold of "short", whatever that may mean to them? The last one is the o…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 04:48 AM
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Maybe they are but it is a wishful thinking. Men have their preferences and I don't see why they should abandon them for women convenience. You missed my point here, and that's that women are judged for their appearance far outside just the realm of dating. Working women want to be judged for their career achievements, not whether or not they're pretty. Men don't have to worry about such things. Ok, let's talk digits. https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/birth-control/birth-control-pill/how-e…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 02:50 AM
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I don't think bringing a gun on all dates is at all a reasonable solution. I know very little about firearms so excuse my ignorance, but first there's the background check, right? What prevents you from owning a firearm - criminal record, history of mental illness? After that, you would have to learn gun safety. How long does all that take to learn? Do you need to take classes? What does all this cost - the gun, accessories, license, possible classes? And once all that's done, how would a woman …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 02:27 AM
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I seriously doubt it, but I also can't say it wouldn't happen. Minimum height requirements make zero sense to me, so I have no idea if it's the idea of the ideal number or if a few inches of height really changes the physical attraction for some people.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 02:12 AM
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I'm relieved. There are unfortunately people here who would make that exact argument in 100% seriousness.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 01:58 AM
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You have it backwards. It's the fact that this guy thinks she cares so much about 10mm of height that he goes through effort to appear 10mm taller. Of course she doesn't care. So why would he think she would?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 01:50 AM
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How is makeup deceit when you can see that a person is wearing it by looking at their face? Would you prefer to live in a world where women aren't expected to wear makeup? Sounds like a great world, actually. And if you want to wear height extenders, go right ahead. No one's stopping you. But why would you if you're so sensitive to any appearance augmentation that you label it "normalized deceit"?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 01:44 AM
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Thank you for letting me know. Another mod confirmed that these comments are indeed removable. I'm relieved to know that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 01:33 AM
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You can have an Onlyfans and rightly not want to be called "slut". "Slut" is a derogatory term that serves no other purpose than to attempt to shame women for their innocuous sexual choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 01:32 AM
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Already got discussed here several times. There are not some utopia with no struggles. There are roughly two alternatives that being the men's side and the women's side. Neither side is stuggleless but no amount of mental gymnastics will change the fact that men's dating struggles are on whole other level. Most women will and are chosing womens privileged side times and times again. Nothing holds them back to take the "men's" part of dating. They can do it whenever they want but decide not to. M…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 01:28 AM
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When people talk about their lived experiences, I take them at face value. They don't need to include scientific data with every little thing they say, especially if they're stating something as minute as a dating preference, and especially if they're just saying what's true TO THEM, not everyone. If someone is going to try to disprove my lived experience, they're the ones who should be providing evidence that proves that I am lying. Not just "I don't like it, therefore it's not true".
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 01:07 AM
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I definitely would consider those comments as uncivil and in bad faith. However, I am not sure if the moderators would or would not. "Women are liars" is a tenet of TRP philosophy, unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 01:00 AM
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women like you No, you have not seen "woman like me" do any of those things. Because we've literally never met. TRP philosophy is contingent on extreme confirmation bias. So I'm not surprised that you think TRP works every time. women like you Again, I have never done any of those things. How is this view any better than a woman who claims all men are rapists? Maybe the woman in question also believes all men are liars? If you think the entirety of the opposite sex is lying to you about everythi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 12:41 AM
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Thanks for letting me know, I apologize for the mis-tag. What would be the appropriate flair(s) for this post?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 12:33 AM
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You "understand that fear"? Yet you're literally going around calling women "hoes" in this very thread?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 11:14 PM
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What word of theirs did you not understand? "Ironic"? "Legitimate"?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 11:03 PM
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Isn't your whole OP about how all women should have sex when they want to have sex with a guy? Yet you're calling women "hoes" now because they're having sex when they want to have sex with a guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 10:59 PM
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I'm sorry that women not owing you sex offends you so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 10:26 PM
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How do you know you haven't been subtly programmed to frown upon pursuits you deem "hedonistic"? Especially given how adept Red Pill ideologies are at doing exactly that? Also, no money is being exchanged when people have casual sex, so commercialism has nothing to do with it. you can rationalise it however you want but fucking 100 people a year is not normal at all I find that specificity, not hyperbole, works better at getting one's point across. No one is going around fucking anywhere close t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 02:05 PM
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What money and "resources" do you think you're providing the woman in question? It’s fine You sure don't seem fine with it. I can strip them away if I feel like I’m not getting what I want Did you read my comment? I made that exact point. Also, I definitely want to know what "resources" she's relying on from you that you are now stripping away.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 01:42 PM
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Men feeling entitled to women's bodies is very old, indeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 01:29 PM
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Let me preface by saying that I in no way, shape, or form endorse the practice of making a guy wait for sex just so he'll see you as a long term prospect. If a woman gets the impression a guy will lose respect for her just because they had sex too quickly - dump him. Immediately. It's not like he loses respect for himself because he "gave it up" too soon. What does that say about how little he respects himself that he thinks him having sex with you is lowering your value? Unless you want to be i…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 01:15 PM
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Every woman has had bad experiences rejecting a guy. Usually him getting indignant, insulting you, being pushy/aggressive, not leaving you alone afterwards, etc. Usually when rejecting via message but it can happen in person, too. I was confused because I'm not feeling any insecurity. But appreciate the concern.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 12:26 PM
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Whatever word you want to use to refer to it: what can't she do with another man if she's dating you? Like what are the 'rules', so to speak. And how do you know the two of you are on the same page with those rules?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 11:52 AM
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So much text to victimize the soo poor women and their "struggles" in the dating world Refer to: "You're victimizing yourself/women." Men often complain they have it harder in the dating world. Are you accusing them of victimizing themselves as well? Furthermore, I never said that women have it harder. I'm saying there are difficulties on both sides, and they're important (especially for members of the opposite sex) to acknowledge. ​ It's shown time and time again that women absultely mentally m…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 11:44 AM
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Is that last part because you have bad experiences? Which last part? Not trying to offend you, but Im sensing some insecurity from you. Are you good? I'm completely confused as to what you're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 11:39 AM
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Maybe you should do it since you feel so passionately.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 11:35 AM
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Stop victim-blaming her. Do you not realize that that's what you're doing or do you simply not care?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 11:09 AM
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Sorry about that. Even if she hadn't been cheating, I can assure you that no healthy relationship involves constant cheating accusations. The point I was trying to make is everything is a risk and its up to the specific person to weigh the pros and cons. People die from vending machines falling on them. Is it time to avoid vending machines? Some men might just sexually assault you, he’s naturally built bigger and stronger. Nobody can control what another person is going to do, thats just our rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 11:01 AM
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You still got my point. The truth will feel unfair and prejudicial to you, doesn't mean it won't stop to exist because it is immoral to a bunch of people to recognize it. Now address my point, not my semantics. Not arguing semantics at all, I was addressing your point. I've never felt the truth to be prejudicial at all. By nature of the word "prejudicial", the truth can't be it. So if you find someone calling your "truth" prejudiced, then they are questioning the veracity of your claim. Did you …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 10:43 AM
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Anecdotal but my ex gf used to constantly think I cheated on her and I always trier comforting her saying I would never, blah blah, you know the talk (she didn’t even know I was very capable of it without even putting effort because women would come to flirt with me or beg to suck you know what). No guy gets mad unless they’re actually cheating and react in a panic. I’ve learned its projective behavior if a woman asks so Im skeptical of her if it comes up now. That was actually major red flag be…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 09:58 AM
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And you reported/blocked them? Yes, as I'll be reporting your comment as well. You have not been remaining civil, and now you've escalated to snarky slut-shaming comments. So far you've said: This all sounds like a "How can I blame men for my piss poor choices?" I'm sure you have many [piss poor choices]. [me]: You think this is the first and only time I've ever been slut-shamed? You? Definitely not. [me]: Because I chose to mention exactly one example [of slut-shaming]? I'm sure you can conjure…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 09:20 AM
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You're forgetting that I'm against casual sex too. What point are you making? Nothing to do with misogyny and everything to do with risk. What risk does a woman who's had an abortion pose to you? This is a misogynist: You're not going to persuade me with shock value, I'm afraid.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 08:41 AM
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Was there a point you were making with the study or just food for thought? Logical approach for paternity test right? Except ask a woman how offended she’d get and see the emotionally threatening statements she’d make. “He doesn’t trust me…I’d just leave immediately if my s/o asked that”. Really, check what reddit women think about it. It does express uncertainty that she's cheated on you. I don't think men would take too kindly if women expressed uncertainty he'd cheated on them, either. So I d…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 08:32 AM
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Nope, just the absolute insanity because he became president. I'm not sure what there being "absolute insanity" has to do with enacting any sort of political change. You said "Yet when women are in charge, nothing changes". Have they been in power long enough to reverse thousands of years of men having the power? So you're bitching because action has been taken, but not to your standard? I absolutely am. Even if today's levels of sexism and rape were the lowest they've been throughout history, w…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 08:16 AM
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That's not even what "virtue signaling" means. Look it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 07:38 AM
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Due to anatomical reasons, vasectomies/sperm freezing is significantly easier, cheaper, requires less downtime, and more readily available (thought that last reason is due to sexism) than women freezing their eggs, getting their tubes tied, and going through IVF at a later date. Your whole complaint is that men have to pay for children they never wanted, correct? We're on the exact same page with that. I said in my post I'm all for men being able to financially abort before the baby is born.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 07:36 AM
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I never said kindness was the only important trait, just that it was the most important. The studies I link you to also include how participants rated other qualities in terms of importance. Did you bother to look at either link?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 07:29 AM
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How often and how exactly do people ensure that? By being honest, considerate, etc. Basic human decency. And how often? As often as they want. I am one of those people but I am willing to hear your side and present mine. Sexual pleasure in itself is a part of hedonistic pursuits which include wanting to eat all the tasty food, wear all the best clothes, travel all over the world, go to best parties, have all the latest gadgets, make more money etc. The companies that are in the business of selli…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 07:19 AM
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For something that doesn't really happen, "virtue signaling" sure is an incredibly popular accusation. I'll have a look at the studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 07:05 AM
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Watch what they say not what they do. A.k.a. "any woman who tells me something I don't want to hear is a liar because I know what she wants better than she does". Also they dont like deformed burn victims 4`11 nice guys now do they? You're saying that because people with physical deformities don't have women flocking to them that kindness can't possibly be important? Come on now. I can only view the abstract, but it seems like they were measuring the qualities similarity, reciprocity, security, …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 07:02 AM
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Yes, all women are sluts according to TRP - tell me something I haven't already heard. We are social animals, we need socialising to function properly why do you think that people who end up in solitary confinement are more likely to develop develop anxiety and depression, and suicidal when they get out? We're not talking about cutting off all socialization and putting someone in solitary confinement. Just someone not being in a romantic relationship. Which some people shouldn't be if they can't…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 06:55 AM
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Second derailment attempt = denied. You said that women don't like "nice guys". I provided evidence that they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 06:49 AM
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She is literally only claiming that as a response to RPers claiming that only women do it. And yes, I've heard guys say they fuck around in their 20s then want to settle down by the time they're 30 or so. It seems to be much more common than you think.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 06:47 AM
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You mean that one study on teenage boys that showed they sometimes bully their way into sex with teenage girls?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 06:42 AM
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Don't try to derail the conversation just because you're presented with evidence you don't like.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 06:40 AM
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See: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/om1k3w/unpopular\_opinion\_men\_dont\_have\_it\_harder\_than/h5lmwnu?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 06:39 AM
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I'm sorry that this subreddit is such a cesspool when it comes to victim-blaming. You did absolutely nothing to deserve that kind of treatment and I'm so sorry that that happened to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 06:38 AM
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I fully agree. I have always approached men's issues with kindness and empathy, and it is disappointing not to be afforded this same courtesy from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 05:53 AM
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They were actually judging "responsiveness", it says so throughout. The word "kindness" doesn't even appear once in the entire article. Also, 112 students at a college in Israel is not a good sample. In this study, kindness was ranked the highest of eight possible attributes that could make for a good partner (sample size of 2,700 students from around the world). In this study, 88.9 percent of women ranked kindness as the most important trait in a partner (sample size of 64,860 women from around…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 05:51 AM
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I don't understand why you quoted me then didn't respond to anything I said and instead said something on an unrelated topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 05:35 AM
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I think it's truly all about jealousy and sexual possessiveness. Men who feel this tend to use really strong language and reduce women and the men she's slept with to their body parts and physical acts (all the cocks she's taken, how easily she spreads her legs, how much time she spends on her knees, choked on his cock, how loose her pussy must be) and disgust at the things that the woman "let" a man do to her or comparing her to some object (let herself be used, gave up access to her holes, got…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 05:29 AM
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The sheer vitriol was more than I bargained for. Guess I struck a nerve.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 05:18 AM
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Women are at least much more likely than men to only swipe right on guys they're actually into.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 05:10 AM
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Can men who are not ready get vasectomies and freeze sperm? Or just stick to wearing condoms?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 05:06 AM
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Kindness is actually the single most attractive trait to women in the dating world.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 05:03 AM
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Women do this You missed their point entirely. RPers commonly claim that only women do these things. She's claiming that actually, men do them too. Women do this too,not gender specific. So in fact, you're confirming that when RPers claim only women do them, they're being totally disingenuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 05:00 AM
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What actual evidence is there behind the "apex fallacy"?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 04:52 AM
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They really need to start copy and pasting what they've written here to their Tinder bios. And then they'd still claim they aren't getting any matches because Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 04:47 AM
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Again you need to read what people write. I can confirm that they were, indeed, correct in interpreting my post. You were wrong. You see any deviation from your worldview as an attack on men, and then launch personal attacks on the person with the different worldview. It's like striking a person and crying out in pain while you strike them. It is a projection. Couldn't agree more with this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 04:36 AM
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Your whole post is nullified from the jump because it's based on a false premise. The OP never says that things are harder for women. She simply sought some acknowledgement from red pill men that women also have dating challenges that are unique to women that make dating, on balance, no easier for them. Both have challenges. It is your refusal to acknowledge that women also have challenges that brings forth the projection. You read it as a complaint because the notion/fundamental truth that wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 04:33 AM
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Because they don't see it as something dangerous? If you see it as something dangerous you should think about ways to make it safe for yourself. You could grow some muscle if you want a fair fight but isn't it easier to just bring a gun? Hell, I have to work in a very dangerous conditions sometimes and instead of complaining about it I just wear PPE. It might be uncomfortable but it helps. A lot. They're saying "Women refusing to go on dates or dipping out at small red flags is also a risk mitig…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 04:30 AM
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No, but it's far more mature than getting into fist fights. My point stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 04:27 AM
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-accuses me of "hamstering" for questioning his faulty logic -hamsters -"you ladies" -hamsters some more -says "hamstering" is only a woman thing -still totally not a misogynist
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 04:25 AM
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No single mothers If she's had an abortion, steer clear and a few others. If every man thought like that, that is crystal clear evidence that women are totally fucked in the case of an accidental pregnancy. You clearly have no clue what misogynyis. Says the guy who thinks a woman who accidentally falls pregnant is undateable for life.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 04:20 AM
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Hopefully I can get around to reading when I'm done responding to all these comments (if that ever happens). I'm very skeptical of the so-called apex fallacy (especially given it seems to be talked about only in the Manosphere, which is full of pseudoscience) but am open to reading more about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 04:16 AM
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Maybe it's like this - both men and women get to play the video game, but women get to spend much more time on it. But for women to even play the video game has much greater risks and one instance of bad luck can end the game for them entirely. But the appeal of the video game is so strong that both men and women want to play all the time. So the men do feel very left out sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 04:13 AM
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American society polices how people (especially women) express their sexuality. The Puritans helped found the United States and while things have gotten significantly better than they were hundreds of years ago, we still have a long ways to go.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 04:08 AM
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What is? That people mature after high school? I don't understand what you're trying to argue.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 04:02 AM
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What are you contributing to the discussion with that comment despite proving my point that some men are sexist?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 03:59 AM
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I am sorry that you struggled with depression. No one deserves to suffer from depression. That you were told to kill yourself during that vulnerable time in your life is horrific. You don't have to elaborate if you don't want to, but I do want to understand what you experienced. I was depressed about being single and was wondering what was wrong with me Was this on Reddit or a different forum? If so, where on Reddit? Do you remember what your post said? that I was an entitled, misogynistic monst…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 03:57 AM
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High school never ends. People grow and change a lot from the time they're 14. People's brains are still maturing well into their 20s. They dont beat each other up anymore. They just trash talk each other behind the back. So, in other words, they change after high school.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 03:38 AM
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So besides the small sample size, the mean age of participants in that study was 14-18. Furthermore, their explanation was more than "just dominance". "Our findings indirectly suggest that exploitative adolescents may have more sexual partners if they are able to strategically use exploitative behaviour like bullying to target weaker individuals." According to Provenzano, adolescents lower in "Honesty-Humility" may also use bullying as an intersexual strategy to display traits such as strength a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 03:23 AM
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I'm not being overdramatic because I never said nor even implied that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 03:16 AM
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How are they getting sex? Are they pressuring, lying to, raping women? Those tactics can lead to the abuser being "successful" in getting sex. Unfortunately, that often leaves the victim with significant distress.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 03:15 AM
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The Daily Mail is a British tabloid. Not exactly a reliable source. "Provenzano's team found that younger people who scored lower in "Honesty-Humility" were more likely to use bullying tactics to pursue more sexual partners than others." So they use bullying tactics to get more sex. How does this relate to my post, though? Shouldn't women be extra wary then, that there are men who will bully to try to get sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 03:07 AM
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You're not addressing the majority of my points. Re-read and try again.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 02:59 AM
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The truth is problematic and sexist. Pilling up moral and ethic on the truth won't make the truth not the truth. Sexism is defined as "prejudice, stereotyping, or discrimination, typically against women, on the basis of sex". So the truth can't actually be sexist. It's simply the truth. However, a lot of people will make a sexist assertion and try to claim that it's "the truth". There's the key difference, which many sexists actually struggle to recognize. Some men, and their wife. Not all men. …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 02:55 AM
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It's more difficult for men in a different way. It is more difficult for men in some ways. I agree. The whole point of my point is that many men (especially RP types) will fight you skin, tooth, and nail to try to prove the idea that men are victims in the dating world. And I'm arguing that maybe it's more even than they think. And if you dare open up about your unhappiness due to these circumstances, the response is likely to be on the lines of: "Do the world a favor and kill yourself, incel!" …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 02:41 AM
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There are valid reasons for not wanting to date someone who's cheated. However, the vast majority of reasons I've seen men give for not wanting to date a promiscuous women are rationalizations of their misogyny. Like which is it? You say nobody should end up with incompatible people, but to say to filter out options based on what you want is prejudiced. It can absolutely be both. If you're racist, don't date a person of the race you don't like. I'm sure they don't want to date someone who's raci…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 02:35 AM
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How have the risks of having a partner who doesn't care about your sexual desires, being slut-shamed, sexually violated, physically assaulted, and getting a UTI/STI/unwanted pregnancy all been wiped out by modern technology?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 02:26 AM
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I'm not implying that every couple should have an open relationship. I'm saying people should simply realize that it's an option. People can and still do cheat in open relationships, furthermore. But I also think a lot of people try to shove themselves into a monogamous relationship when it doesn't match their true desires. I'm not saying anyone should accept a partner they feel is incompatible, regardless of their reason for feeling that way. But I am pointing out that these prejudices can be p…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 02:05 AM
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That is what I call naivety. When it comes to basic human instincts these things mean nothing. You're right, which is why we keep our basic human instincts in check and don't let them run the show. Hence why we shouldn't excuse sexism under the guise or biology or evolution. Because men always were judged not only for their looks but also for their achievements so you could give us some slack here I suppose. I'd argue that most women would so much rather be judged for her achievements than for h…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 01:50 AM
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I'm not saying I'd date those women, either. Bullies arent good partners either yet they get far more sex than a nice guy. What is your source for this? Including that their being bullies is the reason they're getting "far more sex".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 01:28 AM
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From another comment of mine: Yes, both men and women are pressured to look fit. Women's bodies have historically been policed more than men's, with men having a more narrow definition of women's bodies they find attractive. And usually what's attractive is low body fat, though I think I've seen surveys that claim that women now find the "dad bod" to be the most attractive body type on a man. Not sure how reliable they are, though. Women also have much more expensive and time-consuming haircare,…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 01:25 AM
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Are you trying to say that because I put 50-50 blame on known abusers and the women who actively choose to date these known abusers, that somehow I condone abuse? Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 01:19 AM
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You're saying that exactly 52.9 in 100000 women are raped, so exactly 52.9 in 100000 men are rapists. Even if the 52.9 in 100000 number were true (it's not), that wouldn't mean there are exactly that many rapists. So I'm really questioning your ability to interpret data here.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 01:17 AM
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That's a great question. I'm going to consult some sources and get back to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 01:15 AM
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Oh yeah they do. Inb4 all my friends are shy gamer girl uwu virgins Except it's not just the shy, gamer, or virginal women who aren't doing this. You can totally live off dog food and have chronic diarrhea for the rest of your life that doesnt mean that its ok to live in this shitty way Being forced to live off dog food and suffering from chronic diarrhea is not a good analogy of not being in a relationship. One is utterly inhumane, and the other is just the default state of being. Would you rat…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 01:12 AM
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I believe the opposite - that society is way too sexually repressed. Not everyone even has the current or eventual goal of finding their "one and only", nor wants marriage, nor is even looking for something long-term. Yet it's shoved down our throats that we have to be looking for our forever partner. That if the relationship doesn't end in marriage, which doesn't end with eventual death, that it's a failure. We break up families because do urges in our pants, and hurt others with our hookup cul…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 01:02 AM
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Are you also trying to say that no man ever commits rape more than once?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 12:52 AM
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Yet Trump... Are you referring to Trump being extremely sexist and admitting on video to sexual assault yet getting elected anyway? Is sexual assault and sexism on the rise? Last time I looked, both were at an all-time low.... I didn't say whether they were on the rise nor declining. As it stands, they're both still way too high. Don't confuse disagreements with slut-shaming I'm not at all. People can disagree AND slut-shame. It's been happening a lot on this thread. One dude even called me four…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 12:48 AM
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Is there evidence that emotional abuse by a female partner is a high cause of male suicide rates? And that abused women don't attempt suicide at similar rates? I’ll never know what it feels like to be scared of a date physically and you’ll never know what it feels like to question if the kid is really yours. Seems like a paternity test could resolve that if there's any uncertainty. And this question of paternity only applies to a partner with whom you have a wanted child. Whereas the fear of phy…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 12:34 AM
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0.000529% of men commit rape in a year or in their lifetime? Are you also trying to say that no man ever commits rape more than once?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 12:20 AM
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However if a women doesn't want to date me because I'm shorter than her, and I started acting like she was a bad person, and insisting she has too. I would be psychotoc. Maybe because, despite being problematic, it's common for men and women to impose arbitrary standards based on number and measurements. Some men also have arbitrary height requirements (wouldn't date a taller woman, for instance) and arbitrary weight requirements (which makes even less sense than height, because everyone carries…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 12:18 AM
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People wouldn't have any problem with what you were saying if it were rooted in reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 12:10 AM
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How many sexual partners have you had? Imagine thinking that's in any appropriate to ask a stranger in the middle of a debate. Imagine thinking I'd be in any way inclined to answer that, given the extensive history of slut-shaming by men in this subreddit, as well as their insistence that every woman always lies about her number of sexual partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 12:09 AM
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Pointing out some ways that women have it harder in the dating world is not victimizing myself and other women. Is pointing out some ways that men have it harder in the dating world victimizing men?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 12:06 AM
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Yes, men sometimes unfairly receive the "creep" label. When women receive the "slut" label, it's always unfair.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 11:38 PM
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My point here is that all countries, even the most sexually liberated ones (and I do not think the US is on top here), are too sexually repressive, mainly in regards to the double standards they impose on men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 11:37 PM
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Sure. But if you want to minimize risk you can still decisions about the character of a man to the best of your ability. So women should raise their standards to men of better character? Then they're accused of being too picky or difficult to please. I've been accused of it on this thread. Furthermore, I already choose men based on their character. It's my main criteria (kindness) for choosing a man. So how do you know women aren't already doing this? Maybe you aren't and your friends circle isn…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 11:29 PM
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My argument is not that having high standards makes it hard. It's the risk of sexual violence, prevalence of sexism, and risks of heterosexual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 11:12 PM
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Why doesn't the "extreme stuff" count as a dating difficulty? And I mentioned many things that were less extreme as well. Perhaps you can list them for me here, so we can discuss why it is you don't think they're valid.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 11:11 PM
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What about that study is "bs" or points to it being inaccurate? Besides your own personal feelings of disbelief?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 11:08 PM
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I've said that I can't view that source as the link doesn't work. But it seems to be an opinion piece. What percentage of the male population commits rape then?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 11:06 PM
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https://www.voanews.com/archive/un-says-women-children-are-biggest-victims-war Still sounds incredibly whiny from a man`s perspective who cant g et ANYTHING. You don't think it comes across as whiny when men complain about not having enough options and ignore all the issues women face? Men can also feel pain.Pregnancy can be avoided by either abortion or actually attending your classes of biology in 7th grade. There are a lot of conditions that can cause painful sex for a woman. I don't know of …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 11:03 PM
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That seems to be the go-to defense when men are called out for their misogyny. 'It's just the way the world works', or they're 'just telling it like it is', or it's 'basic biology', etc. Can't possibly be anything they did wrong, so of course the label is totally unfair. And the ones calling them out are unfairly targeting them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 10:56 PM
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How rare do you think it is?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 10:50 PM
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I don't think the rich vs. poor analogy works. Seems like the only downside to being rich is that someone could steal money from you, whereas I'm saying women face multiple different downsides. Furthermore, the worst case scenario for women is far worse than having some money stolen.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 10:49 PM
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I don't know what you mean by any of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 07:38 PM
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I don't think it's risky at all if you bother to inform yourself on the topic of consent. Ironically, a lot of men who claim to go to great measures to avoid "false rape accusations" also spend zero time learning about consent, or in some cases, even particularly caring if they've obtained it or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 07:36 PM
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I literally just said that that was the weakest point/not too big of a problem at all. So what would lead you to think that that's the basis of my entire argument? What other things did I mention in my post that women find difficult?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 07:32 PM
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Women having a minimum height requirement is problematic, but it's not as problematic as men implying that women having too many past partners makes her an unsuitable current partner, ESPECIALLY when he's had more partners than she's had.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 07:23 PM
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Yes. If I say there's a lot of pain and suffering in the world, am I automatically wrong if I don't have another world to compare it to?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 07:17 PM
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Yet when women are in charge, nothing changes So because a few women are in charge now in your country sexism will be reversed overnight? Nope, he's just prime minister Forgive me for thinking the prime minister has any sort of political power. Ah yes, all those choices... I didn't say the existence of choices was a problem. I said sexual violence and sexism are the main problems. Where are they slut-shaming? Men love sluts, it's how we get laid. Look no further than this very thread. And no, ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 07:12 PM
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How are women entitled and privileged that they have to deal with men slut-shaming them? Seems like you want to punish women for being "sluts" while insisting that women are the privileged ones. So how does that make any sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 06:51 PM
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"Oh woe is me I’m rightly being judged for being a hoe” People who view women as equal don't use language that is derogatory towards women, slut-shame them, and mock them for trying to defend themselves from slut-shaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 06:46 PM
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Most modern women have no problem having sex with men right away if the man is attractive enough and don't face any real social stigmatization for it. They can even do it largely covertly in most cities if they want and no one will ever know. Most women aren't doing this though. Plenty of women have no problem risking these things if the man is attractive enough. If they're seriously worried about it then you need to filter for moral men as best you can over the most attractive. I'm saying sex i…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 06:42 PM
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Oh no, I've been discovered! Whatever will I do now that the whole Internet knows I care about gender equality? Anyway, moving on. Because no matter what you think but we are different. Mother nature created us different and we have different goals when it comes to procreation. And all human morals related to sexual behavior based on that. Nah, morals are based on much more than nature/procreation. They're based on fairness, justice, and having kindness and empathy for one's fellow humans. Oh re…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 06:25 PM
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What part of my post don't you believe?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 05:44 PM
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What was cute about what I said? I just stated why I thought your analogy was faulty. Yes, false allegations seem to be more feared by men than by women. And it's much harder for male IPV victims to even be taken seriously than if the victim is female. Extras would include stuff like spreading false rumors to ruin reputation because women talk a lot amongst each other. I don't think having rumors spread about oneself is a gender-specific problem. So let's revisit the false allegations scenario. …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 05:43 PM
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Social expectations are and have always been harsher for women. And I never said it was a problem, only something to consider. And it's not self-inflicted as no one has control over who they are or aren't attracted to. Also, did you completely miss 'much likelier to be the victims of sexual violence' part? And physical risks of sex (pregnancy, STIs, pain, etc.)?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 05:35 PM
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Maybe you should go back and read my post. And if you disagree with all I've said, present your counterarguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 05:25 PM
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I think there are plenty of "tall good looking guys with at least stable income" who "want to commit". But having those traits doesn't make you a good partner, either. So perhaps many women are not wanting to commit to them. But you're completely ignoring my points about sexism and violence women experience in the dating world. That's where by far the largest problems lie. Men struggle with the fact that a 4/10 woman wont talk to them. To be fair, if you insist on referring to women as "_/10", I…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 05:23 PM
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You're claiming that 0.000529% of women are raped in a year. Am I understanding that correctly? Where in the world did you come up with that number? And furthermore, you never answered my question. What percentage of the male population commits rape?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 05:15 PM
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"all men are rapists, murderers, and woman-beaters" Never said that. Most men aren't. might be the reason why you only get attention from shitty men Never said that, either. Many of the men I "get attention from" aren't shitty at all. No emotionally stable man with good intentions wants to come home to a whack-job who's constantly staring daggers at him because of something someone else did. Why would I do that? Just fucking stop dating and get some fucking professional help, for fuck's sake. Wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 05:13 PM
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Should I artificially inflate the percentage of men I swipe right on to a percentage that you, an Internet stranger, deem appropriate?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 05:09 PM
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See we know they are shitty men and we say they are shitty men and yet you want to excuse the desicion by a women to go with the shitty man?? NO both get the blame (and yes we do blame shitty men but we know we can't control what they do) The behaviour of the women is the bigger problem because if they fall for these men and give them what they want then the men will continue to do it and create more men who do it due to them seeing it work. I shouldn't be shocked by anything I read in PDD anymo…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 05:07 PM
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My entire thread is BS if women aren't expected or bother to wear makeup? I think you missed some very key points.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 04:58 PM
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What do you consider a HVM?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 04:57 PM
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Compared to the ideal level of sex repression. Which is zero.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 04:56 PM
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You can accurately describe the society we live in while taking full personal responsibility in your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 04:54 PM
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I guess I'm not sure how this relates to my post if I neither said nor implied it. Regardless, most single women are definitely not having sex once every 1-2 weeks. And when people say relationships and sex aren't needs, they're being truthful. They're not saying they're not nice to have and can't be strong desires, but do realize how entitled some incels are about getting their "needs" met at all costs.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 04:52 PM
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Men are ostracized for being accused of rape. Women are ostracized for accusing someone of rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 04:45 PM
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You can choose not to travel there. Women can't choose to live in a part of the world where they won't be raped. Doesn't exist. Yes, I understand that "pussy" is sought after, sometimes at all costs. And this is a downside to being a woman in the dating world.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 04:41 PM
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I'm specifically talking about instances when no harm is being done. If they're lying, then they're creating harm.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 04:39 PM
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Try: "Oh woe is me I'm rightly being judged for being a misogynist" Which I'm sure you say all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 04:35 PM
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It means, that politically, the prime minister, regent etc. were all female incumbents Is this unusual? Or have women historically held most of the political power where you live? Who holds the most power in the UK at the moment? Boris Johnson seems to be running the show. And? We're arguing about difficulties women face in the dating world. Try to keep up. The biggest slut-shaming is from women. Then why do Red Pill/MGTOW men slut-shame so much? And then claim women do it more literally wheneve…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 04:24 PM
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Chasing the tingles isn't just about any old casual sex it is a phrase used about women who ignore the red flags of shitty men and fuck them anyway because they make their panites wet. So what phrase would you like used to decribe this?# How about blaming the "shitty men" for their own choices and behavior then? When you blame the person who you claim ignored red flags, you're claiming that their behavior is even more problematic than the person doing the shitty things in the first place. Hamste…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 04:06 PM
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What do you consider a "chad"?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 03:53 PM
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Faulty analogy because it assumes the risk for women to hunt is the same risk for men to hunt.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 03:52 PM
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equility Do you mean equality? Are you saying we shouldn't have equality in our society? If we get to that point someone is going to have to say "ok women need to start having kids" and if they can't convince you they will make you (thats if the tech isn't available like an artificial womb) Nah, there's always plenty of people who want to have kids. Furthermore, if they don't, so what? We certainly don't need more people on this planet. then yes it would put the species at risk Overpopulation, c…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 03:49 PM
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-viciously slut-shames women -calls women "entitled" and "privileged"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 03:42 PM
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men with options will fuck you of course but they will never take a promiscuous woman seriously Opinions such as yours are unfortunately common and evidence of hardship that only women face in the dating/sex world.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 03:40 PM
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It doesn't mean society doesn't have certain expectations. Like in some workplaces, a woman not doing her makeup every morning before coming in to work is seen as very unprofessional. And there are many events (date, dinner, club, bar, party, wedding, other special occasions) where it is very much expected. And some women don't feel like they can leave the house without it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 03:37 PM
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For "the most sexually libertine culture on earth" it's pretty sexist and sex repressive. And also, no it's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 03:25 PM
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For some reason, that redirects to the Baltimore Sun homepage. But what did we find? What percentage of the male population commits rape?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 03:23 PM
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No. I'm not even talk about a woman walking out in public. I'm talking about in the dating world specifically. It absolutely is a severe concern. Feel privileged if you don't have to concern yourself with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 03:21 PM
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TIL being concerned with being raped, beaten, and/or murdered by your potential partner are considered "rich people problems".
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 03:19 PM
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Are you referring to me?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 03:16 PM
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...or they have it the same?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 03:11 PM
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What all constitutes cheating? Do the two of you discuss what you consider cheating on the first date?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 03:10 PM
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"I didn't say you have it better, i just said I have it worse" Direct me to where I said that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 03:09 PM
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You don't reflect on issues of sexism against men and that in itself is sexist. Oh, I do actually. All the time. I even touched on them during this post. Your dating life is not successful. What part of my dating life am I struggling in, then? Because I think it's going pretty well, but I guess a stranger on the Internet knows better, naturally. Have you ever been on FDS? Might be a good sub for you. FDS is pretty bad. Not as bad as TRP, but up there.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 03:07 PM
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Right, and by choosing to see the best in someone who's supposed to love you and "ignoring clues" you're just as responsible as the man who decides to strangle you. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 03:02 PM
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Hypergamy exists. See, I’m not convinced that this is really a thing. I’ve never even experienced it myself. And if I haven’t, and it is a thing, then that disproves AWALT. Abuse of any kind, especially in a relationship, is abhorrent. Women will notice red flags from abusive/violent men PRIOR to dating them, date them, get abused (shocker), and then proceed to peddle “all men are trash”. See, Karreuche + Chris Brown, FKA Twigs + Shia LaBouef for some celebrity examples. Women are the gatekeeper…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 03:00 PM
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Um, ok. Where did I say that men definitely have it easier?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 02:44 PM
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Most matches you receive are not genuine because of the way men swipe on dating sites. Most men auto swipe women and then reject them at the next stage. Women will reject at the first stage (the swipe). That's why even the most unappealing of women can have thousands of matches yet very few will have any interest whatsoever. Yes, I'm aware that men do this. Most of my matches do at least send me a first message. And oh wow, you completely misinterpreted the intent of this post. I really like to …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 02:40 PM
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So you are exclusive, but not in a relationship, from the first date, correct? What are the rules of exclusivity? Like what constitutes cheating?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 02:31 PM
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Huh? That's not what I asked at all. Also, please include sources since we're going to be talking about statistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 02:26 PM
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Yes, but they're looking at it from their eyes only, and not from women's. Getting sexual attention and casual sex on command is not the goal for most women. In fact, it can be harmful if the sexual attention makes her feel unsafe and the casual sex is not even pleasant. But all they can think of is about all the sexual attention and casual sex they want from women and not how it might feel to be on the receiving end of that from men, especially as a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 02:25 PM
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Sure, so OP is using a lot of really old-timey language here (chastising people for being "degenerates" is another common one). But there's nothing wrong with pursuing pleasure provided you're not causing harm to anyone. There's this idea some people have that sexual pleasure, or "frivolous" pleasure, or hedonism are bad things that only people who lack character and self-control engage in. I think these people need to lighten up.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 02:20 PM
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Are you claiming the human population is going to go extinct because people aren't having enough children? How long would it take for a population of 7.6 billion people to go extinct? Seems like we should worry about overpopulation instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 02:16 PM
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First off, lose "hamster" and "the tingles" from your vocabulary. You could explain what bad choices women are making in my post that I'm blaming men for. Also, why is "chasing the tingles" (I assume you mean have casual sex?) something that you're criticizing women for? Do you think all women should (let alone if they want to or not) start looking for a husband as soon as they're of age?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 02:13 PM
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Oh, is it? What percentage of the male population?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 02:09 PM
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When men comment that men have it harder in the dating world, they are specifically referring to the getting attention from the opposite sex and the acquisition of sex part of dating I do realize that that's mostly what they're referring to, but my point is they can't just focus on that and conclude that women have it easier in the dating world. That there are other things to consider besides getting attention or acquiring sex, and furthermore women don't value those things as much as they do. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 01:56 PM
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I don't really believe the dual mating strategy, rampant hypergamy, and the idea of Chads are things that exist outside of Red Pillers' own heads.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 01:53 PM
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That's not what I said at all. Just don't pretend like it's an insignificant amount or that women don't have to look out for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 01:51 PM
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You literally used misogynistic phrases to express misogynistic views in the comment I'm referring to. trying to hamster away bad choices a women might make. Accusing me of "hamstering", which is a phrase invented to insult women. Saying that what I'm "hamstering away" are women's bad choices, which I didn't do at all. women have all the tools avaialble to find a good husband but some instead go chase the tingles That you're assuming all women just want to find a husband doesn't help your case. …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 01:48 PM
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"Apex fallacy" isn't an actual logical fallacy. I'm generalizing men I've observed, both online and in person. I've frequented a LOT of Manospherian spaces throughout the years. A lot of men do struggle with dating, but a lot of women struggle as well. It's generally not an easy world for anyone to navigate.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 01:41 PM
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Who's saying men have to give up on dating permanently? And repeating myself again: I didn't say they have it better, just that I don't believe they have it harder. And even if women did have it worse, it wouldn't necessarily be a reason to give it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 01:35 PM
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Onlyfans women with baggage/drama looking for CEO's you hate to see it Who's claiming to be a woman with an Onlyfans and baggage and drama looking only for a CEO? overall standard of women has gone lower while their demands get higher and you hate to see it more How do you determine a woman's standard? Are you upset that some women have Onlyfans now? Also, what demands? I don't have any of those.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 01:33 PM
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Thats it get the insult in early. Ironic that you claim you're being insulted when you're called a misogynist for saying misogynistic things. Especially when the comment of yours they replied to accused women of "hamstering" and "chasing the tingles". Talk about derogatory language.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 01:29 PM
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It really is for some people.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 01:25 PM
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I didn't say they have it better, just that I don't believe they have it harder. And even if women did have it worse, it wouldn't necessarily be a reason to give it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 01:24 PM
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I didn't say they have it better, just that I don't believe they have it harder. And even if women did have it worse, it wouldn't necessarily be a reason to give it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 01:23 PM
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But throughout history, they have always been accepted and treated as such, while men are inherently worthless. It might not have been comfortable because being seen as valuable, women might have been locked up against their will, but they always had more value than men. Men only have value for what they provide and achieve. Women have value for what they are. Hence why we should fight sexism. Because that isn't fair nor right. Is this why women are the majority voting block Are you saying women…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 01:19 PM
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So... not being sexist is condemning an entire civilization to ruin, death, and extinction. Okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 12:30 PM
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I actually enjoy it quite a lot when I do find that I'm single. You said 3% and those profiles are the best representation of that guy. You therefore are either selecting men who are way too attractive for you and have much better options so would never pick you. Not necessarily. Actually, I think a lot of men don't know how to represent themselves on dating profiles. I swipe left on a lot of men who are physically attractive but make themselves seem arrogant. And many men who I swipe right on a…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 12:27 PM
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I said in my post that women have been considered more valuable than men, historically. I'm arguing that they are not and shouldn't be seen as such. Although I'd argue that men going to war is probably based more on the assumption that women make incompetent fighters. There were and are many women who wanted the right to serve their country. Biology disagrees with you. So you're saying you disagree with my assertion that women aren't more valuable? Because of biology? Do you think they should be…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 12:20 PM
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Claims men and women were taught xyz sexist stuff, ignores 50 years of intense social conditioning to the contrary. It's definitely gotten better, but just because you can't see sexism you're not personally affected by doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Ascribes these teachings to social constructions, failing to recognize these are in fact inate proclivities that were naturally selected for. It doesn't matter whether or not the social expectations are based on "innate proclivities" or socially cons…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 12:02 PM
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but I don't think equating men's lack of choice and women's push against expectations is fair. If you want to avoid being "easy", that means women have the option for partners but choose not to act on it. Men, on the other hand, have no similar options in the first place. I glossed over your point here, so let me reply separately: I think women have it unfairly here that they're expected not to act on most of the options they find attractive, while men are encouraged to act on all of them. Examp…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 11:56 AM
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It's definitely my weakest point, because even I don't view it as too big of a problem. However, I think when many men complain about women having all the options, they are specifically not thinking about women being attracted to far fewer men than men are to women. So it's not as many prospects as they think.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 11:53 AM
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I want them to believe it. For their sake, and because I don't want to be put on any pedestal or viewed as a prize.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 11:50 AM
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Yes, the consequences for women are much more severe. I don't think men face consequences that much more severe in any dating category. it's really only when you get to the highest level in the lowest level that it actually starts to even. What do you mean by this - can you elaborate?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 11:48 AM
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What standards of mine should I lower? Again, if I'm not attracted, I'm not attracted. And if they treat me poorly, I'm out.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 11:45 AM
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Maybe you're just (1) assuming that women who say that aren't being truthful, and (2) not listening to women who tell you they wear makeup for other reasons?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 11:44 AM
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I'm not trying to persuade anyone to read it. Yes, I do make some generalizations. If I didn't, this post would be even longer. Most of my problems are self-inflicted? That I'm subjected to sexual violence and misogyny? Or are you just talking about the not finding that many men attractive part? In case this wasn't clear: the first two are 99.99% of my argument. The third thing was just something I thought to include because I don't think people really consider it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 11:42 AM
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How have I created the problem? I don't want to date someone when I'm not attracted to both their personality and their looks. Do you want people to date you who don't find you attractive in those regards? Most people say the 80/20 rule but your like nah 97/3 for me. Haha, made me chuckle. As an aside, the 80/20 "rule" is not true for a lot of reasons. Let me know if you'd like me to get into them. Problem is your probably not a 9 or a 10 and and the very top of the dating market men can and are…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 11:37 AM
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What did I say that was misandrist? Also, what evidence/statistics am I unaware of?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 11:33 AM
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"Apex fallacy" isn't an actual logical fallacy. I wonder if you thought that saying blatantly false stuff boldly means it's going to convince people. It makes sense that you wouldn't hear these things to the sheer extent women do, but I'm surprised you've never heard them at all. What part(s) haven't you heard? I thought you were doing it for yourselves? My answer to another commenter: I never claimed to wear makeup for myself. I rarely wear it at all, and when I do it's usually on a date. I wou…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 11:29 AM
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I never claimed to wear makeup for myself. I rarely wear it at all, and when I do it's usually on a date. I wouldn't wear it if I didn't think it made me look more attractive. Some women do wear it for themselves, though. Lots of women, especially those who like to experiment with more unconventional looks, don't concern themselves with how men perceive their makeup. Everyone's different.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 11:24 AM
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What behaviors/picking partners/actions are you demanding women take responsibility for? Is this supposed to make me feel bad for you? Not at all. It's merely a point to consider when men say that women have so many more options than they do. If you're going to feel bad for anyone, feel bad for the women who are raped/beaten by their partners then blamed for it. Lmaoooooo women have it so much better than men in the heterosexual dating world it isn’t even funny, you can tell this was written fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 11:19 AM
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I use the term very loosely to describe people I'm attracted to looks-wise and personality-wise. Are you asking about the specific traits I find attractive? To provide a super short summary: kindness, humility, cute face, lowish body fat. I would say of all those traits, finding someone whose face I'm attracted to is the most difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 11:01 AM
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Does that mean you are in a relationship with a person as soon as you agree to a first date?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 10:51 AM
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I wrote this with OLD in mind. Can you elaborate on what you think no longer applies?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 10:38 AM
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Would be a better analogy if you're a millionaire but your money is trying to actively rape you. Women can't accept all their "money" - in fact, they have to actively avoid most of it - and getting stolen from is not even close to as traumatic as being raped or beaten. Furthermore, men can accept most of the "money" that comes their way.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 10:37 AM
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Second to last paragraph is basically a TLDR.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/21 10:29 AM
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