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/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 07:58 AM
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Me being annoyed about being shortchanged is not me assigning morality to being shortchanged.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 09:24 PM
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obviously the phrase nice guys finish last is not in reference to genuine nice guys but passive pushovers and desperate people pleasers These people are not suddenly not nice just because you don't like them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 09:23 PM
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The argument isn't that "masculine" men get away with abuse The argument isn't that "edgy" guys get away with abuse I think there's been some miscommunication on that. When we refer to "average men" we're talking about guys who both don't look good AND have lame beta male personalities. These are the "average frustrated chumps" the manosphere has been centered around helping for over a decade. As dating discourse shifted focus to apps, where personality is irrelevant, looks became a bigger part …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 09:12 PM
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So does saying misandry don't exist make you a PickMe male?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 08:59 PM
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Funny how ya'll don't mock women for getting ragebaited by misogynistic incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 08:56 PM
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Looks are not the only things people are superficial about, we don't know how superficially macho or edgy this guy is. Either way this scumbag dog killer was picked over guys who don't do that stuff, so the point stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 08:53 PM
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LVM card revoked.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 08:46 PM
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You claim "naturals and blue pillers aren't the same thing", but I'm a natural who doesn't believe in the red pill. I meant they're not inherently the same. Naturals can be blue pillers. I was just saying it's not universal. I believe in all the universal common sense (blue pill) things that the red pill claims as its own (fitness, confidence, etc.) The ideas are not exclusive to the red pill but the willingness to boldly state them basically is, as blue pillers are arguing against such action. …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 03:45 AM
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No specific pill is blue pill. The blue pill specifically denies the red pill. No pill refers to total neutrality/apathy on the subject. A blue piller believes the red pill is false. A no piller has no opinion. Basically a blue piller is if Neo made the elective choice to take the blue pill despite seeing that the red pill existed as an alternative. While the average person hasn't been confronted with a choice of pills like Neo has to begin with, and therefore hasn't decisively invested in eithe…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 08:00 PM
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Incels don’t exist because Red Pill’s “alienated” them. The modern incel community started back on PUAHate, a forum dedicated to calling out snake oil salesman dating coaches. Guys going overboard with their promises is a direct cause of the backlash. turned Red Pill into a Losers Club where they all agree with incels that it’s impossible to improve. It varies, some are simply observing the increasing difficulty and diminishing returns. Whether the juice is worth the squeeze is becoming a big qu…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 12:01 PM
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TRP has had to evolve past blatant delusions because they were alienating too many young men towards the "dark" pill instead. The key is to behave as if you are the prize. It's all about action.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 11:18 AM
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You’re not going to get very far “copying naturals” if you think you’re literally incapable of doing what they do. At the core the non-natural cannot do the exact same as the natural. The non-natural is either authentic or competent; he can't be both. How are you RP if you don’t even believe “I Am the Prize”? Behaving with abundance mentality is the substitute for simply having it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 08:06 AM
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Naturals and blue pillers aren't the same thing though. Naturals have no specific pill but behave like red pillers. Blue pillers are blue pillers. Some are naturals, some are simps, it's a big spectrum. Sometimes the simp accusations are accurate, but sometimes they're a result of miscommunication. The issue is that a lot of blue pill naturals give advice that won't work the same way for non-naturals. For example they may tell you to be genuine... But that only works for them, since they're natu…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 07:09 AM
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Except they don't, it's constantly said that women should pick better and not sleep with those men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 06:30 AM
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This concept is already covered. Naturals do the best. Red pillers are just trying to copy naturals. But imitation is rarely perfect. Nobody is promoting TRP to popular guys saying they're doing better and you should follow them. TRP is promoted to struggling guys, "frustrated chumps", as a potential means to improve their stations.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 03:17 AM
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Piker's an absolute jackass, just not a sexual predator like some of these dudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 07:48 PM
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Thing is the whole point is that they're highly egregious individuals but still get laid. Basically "these guys total bozo assholes, criminals, and addicts but get sex for XYZ shallow reasons." As long as they have access to women they can't be debunked regardless of any other discredit to them. They get attention not just as low-hanging fruit but because they most blatantly prove arguments the manosphere is trying to make regarding looks/money/status.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 07:46 PM
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Clavicular got an interview with 60 Minutes. Society's jumped the shark.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 05:35 PM
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The guys who get into TRP were mostly failing at dating before they got into TRP. That's why they looked it up. So why weren't they getting laid before TRP?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 04:24 AM
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That doesn't mean they didn't struggle.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 04:12 AM
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A sizable 10% of young males and 7% of their female counterparts in that age group are still virgins. But people are gonna still claim male loneliness isn't a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 09:45 PM
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Women kinda are a secondary problem here, they judge virgins more harshly than experienced men even though according to your statistics virgin men are part of the tiny 5% of men that don't commit rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 02:14 AM
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I don't get why PPD refuses to believe that people who are more casually sexual are also more likely to commit sexual malpractice.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 02:12 AM
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Probably similarly bad or worse (men are more likely to get themselves caught cheating/brag about it), but it doesn't really matter since women have free selection of high count or low count partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 02:10 AM
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There are character differences between the guys sleeping around and the guys not. If they were the same they'd get similar results.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 02:05 AM
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Women here are often in relationships or marriages, and thus not representative of single women actually available for dating. Also they're wealthier (many upper-middle class) and taller (5'7 average) than the standard woman. A lot of guys here would have no realistic prospects of dating these women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 09:26 PM
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What else is actually worth the juice nowadays?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 04:40 PM
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At least he didn't deny the studies like ya'll blue pillers do when the shoe's on the other foot. Anyway, the data is correct. But her "retire the fantasy" takeaway is not. Regardless of anything she mentioned young women are still more attractive than average, and closer in experience to the types of late bloomers in pill communities than women their own age, so despite potentially poor odds the man should still pursue younger women. What she said doesn't somehow make older women preferable. If…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 04:37 PM
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Some people are themselves outliers. They're forced to focus on outliers by default.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 04:31 PM
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It makes sense in that guys are willing to support women with youth and looks, but their equals should just be able to support themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 04:29 PM
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Guys are afraid of gold diggers but not sugar babies. They have different terms for a reason. What a sugar baby brings to the table is worth the money, what a gold digger brings to the table is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 04:26 PM
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So I think its about time men stop spending all their time defending their age gap fantasy - because its just a fantasy. All the stats you mentioned relate to relationships, theoretically casual dating is still possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 04:24 PM
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Having good social skills is indicated by people actually liking to interact with you. Not quite, if you compare an attractive woman to an unattractive man many more people will want to interact with the former before either opens their mouth or demonstrates any "skill" at all. But I agree that OP's benchmarks for social skills are off.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 04:22 PM
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Funny how when an inequality effects women everyone should fix it but when an inequality effects men they should suffer in isolation.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 10:44 PM
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If she enjoys the sex too then it's literally not a fair deal, she got the same outcome with less risk/work in that case. Basically only relationships where the woman has to do lame duty sex are fair by this logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 10:42 PM
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It's literally just not true that every man is assertive. Men are different just like women are different.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 10:40 PM
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If a man doesnt have thrown courage or confidence to talk to women they cant be shocked or upset when they are alone Sure he can. People constantly discourage approaching nowadays. When a guy follows the rules but sees no way to advance within them he's gonna be pissed. Women don't need the ability to approach. Hell even gay people don't, dating apps actually work for them. They all get to date regardless. The lack of this skill only screws over straight men, so that's an inequality, and if wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 10:32 PM
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Involuntarily? How are men involuntarily being stopped from hanging out with friends and social groups? If nobody wants to associate with you then you're kinda stopped from doing that. On femcel forums a lot of neurodivergent women report struggling with friendships, but having boyfriends or otherwise at least being intimately involved with men. Their male equivalents just have nothing in either department. No, when they insisted they weren't going to vote for Clinton because Bernie got "screwed…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 01:57 PM
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Except they literally don't, we get no anti-poverty candidates in the general elections because they keep getting crushed in the primaries. This is on both genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 11:13 AM
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No it's feeling like getting the short end of the stick. People hate scams. Price hikes are universally reviled.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 11:02 AM
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We're not talking about Republican voting men though, OP specifically referred to men who oppose poverty. Yes that portion of men is supporting men, only for liberal women to fuck it up. Said women don't want to raise the tide they want to raise their own boat, identity politics over class politics.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 10:23 AM
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This is mostly true. It's also true that the women who a man respects least of all are ones who have casual sex with others but not him. if you actually do this the men tend to not actually want to be in a relationship with you Realistically they didn't want a relationship with her to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 10:18 AM
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We can close the pay gap when we close the dating spending gap. Young women make more than young men in many cities yet STILL often expect the man to pay for dates. Kinda bullshit if you care anything about fairness.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 10:08 AM
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I’d live a long life with Hubert and he’d eventually get laid. Only because it's a desert island with no other dating options.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 10:00 AM
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None of these guys are red pill, a red piller would not have helped to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 09:59 AM
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Still better than nothing. Even Democratic women heavily vote against socialist candidates in US presidential primaries, it's mainly men supporting them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 06:48 AM
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The male loneliness epidemic is about both genders? This is like complaining about the anti-Violence Against Women Act not being about both genders. Men are significantly more likely to be totally involuntarily isolated, so yes it's a male loneliness epidemic. There's a broader loneliness epidemic in general but women typically have more options to alleviate it. And that's where it ends. They never actually do anything about it. When men tried to support Bernie Sanders in the 2016/2020 US electi…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 06:37 AM
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Common sense says that if the woman doesn't care about social justice in general then obviously they're not being called upon to randomly start caring about the opposite gender. It's the hypocrites being taken to task here. Feminists constantly demand men care about women's problem but often don't reciprocate the support.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 06:33 AM
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Plenty are not doing fine, that's the whole reason pills exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 06:28 AM
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A piece of shit cant be an abuser if they have no opportunities to get a victim. Where's your proof? He’s still a piece of shit and people can see that. This contradicts your earlier claim: I have never heard of women sensing bad guys
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 06:19 PM
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Guys are preoccupied with not getting the short end of the stick or being settled for. Loyal commitment is the greatest thing a guy can offer a woman, so they want the woman's best back as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 08:05 AM
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I really hate this because it's like she's trapped in having to fuck in a way she doesn't really want, even if she changes her mind, or else he'll presume it's because of a lack of attraction. Well what else is he supposed to think if every woman is expecting him to wait, despite not making other guys wait? It may be annoying to deal with but it's also annoying for him if literally every woman he meets suddenly doesn't want to have fast sex once he's in the picture. I don't think women should al…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 08:24 AM
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That's true, but a guy's gonna notice if he always falls on the short end of the stick of such inconsistencies.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 04:47 AM
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Respect for thinking from every possible angle lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 04:44 AM
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Well it effects the men, which is the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 02:42 AM
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1 only applies if the individual slept with other people faster. Either never do that or always do that. I think it's probably best to never do that, but for some reason that advice is often ignored at least once, which then complicates 2 and 3. So yes the problem you bring up is legitimate, OP, but it's largely self-inflicted. Older relatives often advise their young not to have sex too quickly for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 02:38 AM
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why on earth do you all expect woemn to care about "men" in the abstract I expect people to either care or not care. Not to selectively care (claim manosphere grifters are exploiting men, but not sex workers/OF/etc.). Anyway feminists typically request for men to care about women in the abstract. If they can't do the same in reverse then that expectation is unreasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 11:25 PM
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We don't agree that either are exploitative, so this isn't about us. Thread is about the hypocrisy of the people claiming manosphere grifters prey on men but not sex workers/etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 03:35 AM
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They usually oppose it on the grounds that the women are being exploited, not the men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 02:29 AM
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“As long as there are other problems, this must be ignored!” No he's asking why people ignore the other issues and literally never call out women. Shit's obnoxious and warrants dismissal from jump.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 02:28 AM
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My only issue is don't do this then act surprised about pump and dumps. Heavily marketed sexuality + high standards = you'll mainly be dealing with popular guys who just want to bang.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 09:45 AM
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Most women are extremely boring in early dating contexts since they don't approach, plan first dates, sexually escalate, anything. If you made most women men and kept their personalities the same they would not get laid. Regardless of their "rich lives wit different goals and hobbies and commitment to art and literature, and rich inner universes".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 01:40 AM
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Difference is that you're not critcizing cooks who put pickles on burgers, so not criticizing customers who like pickles either is consistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 04:30 AM
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Your username is literally calling out men just for existing in a state that you don't like, I don't think it's a strong leap to expect women who criticize men for behavior they don't like to also criticize women for encouraging the disliked behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 03:47 AM
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They aren't dating incels either, doesn't stop the calling out.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 01:33 AM
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Dealing would be legal/decriminalized, purchase would not. That's how many liberal areas handle prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 01:32 AM
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We could turn this around and ask the same question of men - if you guys dislike users, women with sexual pasts, and women who date assholes so bad, why are you taking issue with the women and not the men who entertain and reinforce their behaviors? Men have consistently referred to those guys as jerks/bad boys/assholes/scumbags.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 01:31 AM
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I rather have men choose to do the right thing (whatever that looks like) despite the positive outcomes of choosing to do the wrong thing. That's completely unrealistic. Especially when the men who suffer as a result of doing the right thing get zero sympathy, and accused of secretly being bad guys when they lament their situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 01:27 AM
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Why would I pushback on a woman for having a different opinion from me? Same reason you pushback on men with different opinions?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 01:25 AM
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Literally no, he's asking why one group of women doesn't call out the other group of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 01:22 AM
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Missing the point. OP acknowledges that different groups of women exist. There's no claim of overarching authority. He's asking why women group A doesn't call out women group B, when women group A is perfectly fine with calling out men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/26 01:18 AM
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No. My mom randomly got me condoms once and my father says random perverted things about sex but I never got any formal talk.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 08:15 AM
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Having to list height is already equally bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 08:14 AM
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OP is asking for realistic answers to avoid inconveniencing women. Just never interacting with them at all in intimate contexts and willfully staying virginal for life is heavily unrealistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 07:29 AM
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Rejecting hookup opportunities due to low quality is considered not complying.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 08:27 PM
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That's because you're married and would refuse to hookup and/or would otherwise not comply with the kidnappers. I'm single and willing to comply, it just wouldn't be functionally possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 07:44 PM
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No it's not. If someone held my relatives hostage and told me I have a week to find a hookup or they all die, I would lose my family. Meanwhile a female equivalent of me with the same weight and facial quality would just go on a dating app and solve the problem in a day.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 07:23 PM
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Extremely based honesty.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 07:15 PM
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Not until I also have an ONS/FWB. Otherwise there's a cultural mismatch.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 07:10 PM
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He's responding to the "why not" part lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 07:09 PM
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I said never mask. That would avoid the problems OP mentioned about masking being draining.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 12:33 PM
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Yeah if I have no value why should I provide value.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 10:56 AM
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Hiring practices were also free will.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 10:55 AM
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The girl can cheer herself up with the fact that half of men don't give a shit about the additional stuff Stacy does.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 10:53 AM
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Nope, different issues entirely. Older women have fewer options, not no options. Older women experienced being desirable back in the past when they were young. Different from a total social reject being accepted.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 10:51 AM
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So not even those women who cut peens off? Please think out your ragebait.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 10:49 AM
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I don’t think men understand how judged woman can be. Low value males get judged plenty, they just don't get any partnership alongside it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 10:40 AM
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There are plenty of quiet girls who have casual sex though. Hell femcel forums are filled with women who have sexual intimacy but barely any friendships or stable relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 10:37 AM
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His point is that an autistic woman could avoid the problems OP mentioned by just never dating or masking. While an autistic man doesn't really get choices; he just can't date or mask by default.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 10:04 AM
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If someone is being insulted and assaulted anyway, yes they'd at least like to get to experience basic parts of life and validation on the side.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 10:02 AM
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Would you rather be a forever virgin or afflicted with PTSD due to repeated sexual trauma from exes? Men and women are different. Many foreveralone males would prefer the latter. Autistic men often have PTSD for other reasons regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 09:59 AM
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Honest and based.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 09:55 AM
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If you never win there is no reward.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 05:05 AM
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why would women fight for the right to vote, work snd control their own money? None of that contradicts their ability to extract resources from others. Women still expect men to pay for dates/etc. despite making their own money. And why now that most women rely on their own resources, are we seeing the rise in loneliness of young men? Government assistance replaced young men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 04:21 AM
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He's exaggerating but he's not just making stuff up. As he said, women aren't gonna get it lol. In order to experience that, it requires that a woman feels valued and respected as an equal first Many real life examples say otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 04:13 AM
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I think I used to be empathetic towards women's dating but the more I interact with them (especially on this sub) the less empathy I have left in me. Same, I started off agreeing with feminists lol. But then I found out that sexist expectations, "fuck you I got mine" mentality, and bootstraps bullshit weren't exclusive to conservatives.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 03:49 AM
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Like being desired by the physically stronger and typically more aggressive sex. That is a very scary thing Thing is weak passive men tend to be avoided, so it's hard to think women have that big of an issue with the strong aggressive ones, despite the obvious risks. Basically yes, all these problems are real... But a lot of the time people seem to be walking into them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 03:41 AM
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Do you understand women's perspective? Probably. Do you feel like you sympathize/empathize with them? No, since I'm not a sucker who provides unreciprocated support. The modern social discourse is like shaming a homeless bum for not volunteering for charity. Society fucks me over but I'm the sole bad guy for not propping it up? Screw that. How well do you understand women's reasoning? Well enough, but not enough to care. For that to change they would need to stop throwing low value males under t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 03:20 AM
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Well my parents had kids by mistake. Doubt that's preferable. 🤷‍♂️ The only reason you should ever be a parent is because you are a loving person who wants to shower a being with that love and joy, Okay but I was explaining the personal benefits to an OP who was denying the them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 03:12 AM
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There are guys who have no options from the other gender whatsoever. At that point it's kind of a broad gender thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 11:50 PM
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And how many of those guys in real life you speak with are actually virgins/never got any women?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 08:43 PM
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The point of having kids is achieving purpose, producing people with a lifelong loyalty to you (if you don't suck as a parent), and being properly cared for when you're older. Many people consider the sacrifices worth it. and so is the perceived need to have a man in your life. Quite the leap, I'd think there'd be more virgins if that were any particularly popular notion.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 12:38 PM
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Oh. Well most casual sex havers don't do that lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 09:04 PM
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It's easy for the men you sleep with to have sex. Many men have a rough time, but those aren't the ones you're picking.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 08:42 PM
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Your claims contradict. "women aren't sharing the top men" "women are more likely to have rosters" If you have a roster then you're probably sharing, it's unlikely for someone to be part of a roster but only bang the one roster holder. Usually if you're on one roster then you're on multiple rosters.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 08:14 PM
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The idea may be offensive but the nature of biological sexuality doesn't change based on what we find culturally acceptable. All else equal women typically reach peak beauty in their 20s. I'm only referring to what turns dudes on the most, not necessarily who they'd actually try to date in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 03:14 AM
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Nobody's saying whining is attractive. Obviously it's not. I'm saying that a lot of these guys wouldn't be desirable even if they didn't whine.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 03:10 AM
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TRP is about doing whatever it takes to achieve your biological imperative (getting laid). In a theoretical situation where you literally can't do it within the current social paradigm, it would actually be encouraged to do everything within your (limited) power to shift the status quo. Even if that includes whining. "Stop whining" advice would only be given in the case where there was a more productive action than whining. But it could be argued that for sufficiently autistic males below a cert…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 08:18 PM
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Oh boy! So glad to know age no longer matters to men. Men want hot 20 year olds, whether the man himself is 18 or 80. That helps my point. The preference is completely detached from the man's own ranking. It's absolute. Someone should let the men with age range filters set from one year older to two decades younger know this lmao The filters are set based on realism and social customs, not preference. We're not magically becoming more attracted to older women over time, we're just adding them to…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 08:10 PM
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You are a woman, you can simply wait to be approached (and if you do the approaching, you'll be seen as less threatening), it's not the same for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 07:58 PM
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Yes, it’s assortive mating basically. But these guys often seem to reject the idea of assortive mating and try to claim that ALL women only want the best men. Because assortive mating still fails some men. For some reason their woman equivalents do not want them. Compare to thug criminals, who constantly get their assorted partners. It then becomes obvious that the thug criminals get credit for being tough and edgy. Which fits the notion that women like powerful masculine men, and do not like gu…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 07:51 PM
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For the love of... Between an accomplished CEO, a drug cartel kingpin, and a stereotypical guy on Reddit, who is lower status? The answer is obvious. The cartel leader being a degenerate dreg does not make him low status. Status is simply how much power and influence you have, it doesn't require actually being being respected, being feared works too.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 07:45 PM
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My issue is that they claim hypergamy. Women only going for the best men. But also saying they are always going for the worst men Yes you can, there are different hierarchal lines to judge people by. What is it? We can't be going for the creme of the crop while also going for the shitty people Both are the creme of the group, one in social status while the other in masculine reputation/street cred. Apparently we are going for the ultra rich and the street thugs and drug dealers???? I don't know …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 07:39 PM
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And this the REAL redpill: no one is impressed by a guy just because he doesn’t commit crime. Okay, so the women don't exist, and your thread is pointless. There is no group of women that these guys are ignoring. Women who want good men expect more than just a baseline requirement. They expect a bunch of things unrelated to morals. But no, that MUST coincidence! Otherwise, that would prove men are capable of being picky and like women and also wanting the top 20%! You will never prove that since…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 07:32 PM
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Do they have happier relationships though? They have better ones than the guys who are denied relationships entirely. That's comparison being made.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 11:00 AM
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Blue pillers seem to have trouble with the concepts of neurodiverse conditions that stunt social development such as autism.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 10:36 AM
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Any men not getting picked proves the point. There are no non-picked women, any woman can get tail on a dating app, thanks to men not being hypergamous. Men having to pay for the first date proves the point harder. Women want to date up financially, so he has to pay more.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 09:12 AM
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If men did the same thing there would be a sizable underclass of women with no ability to get laid, like how there's one of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 09:08 AM
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It’s hypergamy to them because masculine traits are good and worthy of admiration to them, and feminine traits are dull and inferior. Strength is the result of hard work, soft breasts aren't. Come on now.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 09:08 AM
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Their belief in female hypergamy is entirely unfalsifiable: there is no possible measurement that could ever be made that would convince them that a woman is not inferior to a man she has sex with. No, it's pretty easy to prove on paper if that ever happens. (as long as we don't count sexually dimorphic stuff like physical strength lol) Show me a woman with a guy who's less confident/assertive, less socially skilled, less wealthy, less successful, less in shape, not an above-average male in any …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 09:01 AM
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I don’t think the guys who believe women are “hypergamous” are even aware that they’re also admitting that they think men are superior to the women they end up with. In most cases the dude put far more work into courting the woman than the reverse. What else are we supposed think? To be fair I think women are better than men on average in many non-dating contexts. But it is pretty clear who's taking on the lion's share of responsibility in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 08:56 AM
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Indeed. If the best a woman can get is a guy she views as lower in the relevant hierarchy, she just won't date anyone. So there's more going into the calculation than just "the best she can get". But his explanation is still useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 08:50 AM
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I don’t believe some men can actually be in love with a woman. We can. If the 6 had a nicer personality than the 8 then we would marry the 6. Nature compels us to sleep with both, but only the more compatible woman deserves lifelong commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 08:45 AM
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I personally think men are hypergamous Men are not hypergamous, nothing about our sexual preferences is determined by how the woman compares to ourselves. We want the hottest women, most feminine women, etc. but just wanting the best you can get is not hypergamy. A man will dumpster dive if the best he can get is below him. A woman will just outright stay single if the best she can get is below her. That's the difference between non-hypergamy vs. hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 08:35 AM
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A woman doesn’t actually care if the man is “ better than her” she just wants the best she can have out of a man regardless of her own position. No, that's how men think, not women. A woman's standards get stricter as she herself improves. A 5'4 woman is far more likely to want a 5'10 man than a 5'10 woman is. An average build woman is far more likely to accept a physically unimpressive man than a physically fit woman is. A woman without a degree is far more likely to accept a man without a degr…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 08:28 AM
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wouldn’t you want to make sure your child has the best damn genes possible? Not at the cost of family stability.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 08:17 AM
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Because it's obvious? You almost all date up in terms of demonstrated social skill. The dude typically has to approach, charm, flirt, and escalate before any sex is had, while the woman often only needs to accept and respond. You almost all date up in terms of demonstrated logistical competence and adventurousness. The dude typically has to plan the early dates. Many of you date up in terms of displayed wealth. The dude often has to pay full for the early dates. isn’t that just an exchange of di…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 08:15 AM
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Not all women are bad. Not all women are bad... But it's very possible all women have an innate bias against your set of traits, regardless of any redeeming qualities you have. That's gonna cause annoyance even if there was no moral wrongdoing on their parts.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 08:04 AM
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How many guys on these forums do you think actually graduated college, though? College is commonly known as a place where "late bloomers" (i.e. reached adulthood with no intimacy) finally get action. But if a guy just doesn't get to partake in that experience, then he may just remain behind the 8 ball, and end up having to look into "alternative methods" (ex. TRP). I think we might have a higher concentration of diploma-onlies than the population at-large. Like how every other similar gathering …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 07:57 AM
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I don't why UMC women even bother, they know nothing about how trash things get beyond their bubble. Us all being on Reddit doesn't mean we all have access to high society. And UMC women damn sure ain't gonna bail LMC/WC men out of their fates, so there's literally nothing to talk about.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 07:50 AM
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For someone who has actually lived close enough but not exactly in these areas, most of the people who live there have never even heard of reddit. The average lower-class person does not use Reddit, yes. Hell a lot of them don't use Twitter (even before Elon bought it). But people on manosphere forums are not average. Very often they don't fit in somehow. So making guesses off of baseline data is faulty. A lower-class outcast may very well use Reddit; in fact, perhaps one of the very reasons the…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 07:43 AM
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Life as a broke Redditor, hits at the core of the soul.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 07:34 AM
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Poor people can get together for survival and cultural reasons. Not in 2026. Government benefits provide enough subsidization to working-class women for them to not need to live with men. Hence all the single mothers. The problems complained about are heavily exacerbated in the lower-class, dealers, ex-cons, bad boys, and macho men pull all the women, if you're a poor guy who's not one of those you're screwed.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 07:29 AM
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It's less fair for men since not all men actually get the choice to do anything before they hit the wall. Any woman could've gotten married or whatever beforehand if she wanted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 06:30 AM
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Never but it used to be where people who wanted quick intimacy went to get lucky.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 08:00 PM
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people do it for the fun of it. Not true for all of the guys. Plenty are just doing it to get laid. OP's talking to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 08:00 PM
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Feminists are America, manosphere men are Iran.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 07:52 PM
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That's life. When people realize society lied to them they start believing their own personal intuition instead. Said personal intuition may also be wrong, but nobody has the credibility left to challenge it. Whole societies run on this principle. Look at American poltiics, they elected a madman just because he called out the media for "fake news". Look at the success of manosphere grifters. Once someone gets caught in their own lie they don't have the good will left to correct the other dude's …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 07:45 PM
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Second, it gets reduced to morality, as if being a “good person” is what guarantees results. Thing is a lot of people do in fact baselessly accuse isolated men of being alone due to some wrongdoing. A common complaint is that “good guys” are overlooked because they are shy or socially awkward. That may be true. But social ability is not optional. For average or below looking straight men. Everyone else can just get approached, and grow from there. So no, women are not rewarding goodness on its o…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 07:20 PM
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There are plenty “feminine” men who get laid all the time or gave gfs. Some types of femininity hurt more than others. You are literally whining at me about my taste. I'm saying it substantiates difficulty claims. So many men won’t date fat girls. Fat girls can still get matches on dating apps though, it's not all bad. So must those women now whine at them. I guess but just losing weight is an easier goal than anything undesirable men have to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 10:02 AM
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Not my words. Redpillers say it all the time. Has nothing to do with me and I don't see red pillers say that here. And none of the men I’ve ever dated have been conventionally attractive. They have been masculine though So thus it's proven that non-masculine men ain't getting laid in this context, regardless of whether they're red pill or not. because I’m a heterosexual woman. Yes. And as I've said every other group is less strict about gender roles. Straight men still bang non-feminine behaving…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 09:45 AM
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I thought we were whores. Your words. So are we hard to bang Yes, for men who are not either stereotypically masculine in personality/behavior or physically attractive. or are we whores Please get it through your heads that there is no contradiction here. If an individual has casual sex with 10% of the people they meet, but either does nothing with the other 90% or needs to be heavily courted to do anything with them, they are simultaneously promiscuous for 10% of people but hard to bang for the…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 09:00 AM
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Why do you assume that trans women are giving it up more freely? They're the second hardest group to pull, but the difficulty of heterosexual cis women is simply unmatched. This is due to physical reasons such as pregnancy risks and ovulation cycles, which trans women simply don't deal with, as well as cultural reasons such as gender-based social conditioning, with trans women likely been targeted by less female social conditioning due to not necessarily having been treated like women their enti…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 08:14 AM
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Rarity doesn't particularly matter. Heterosexual cis women are so hard to bang that it is easier to bang literally every other group of people that has sex, even taking population differences into account.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 08:03 AM
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The prospect of banging women is getting so unrealistic that now cis porn just feels illusionary rather than hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 07:23 AM
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Why would a guy be happy with paying for a date, then never seeing the woman again? They basically got used for a trip. We've moved past the point where women are expected to sleep with guys they date. So in a lot of cases the guy is paying for nothing. Not really fair in an environment where men and women are in equal competition for work and earnings.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 08:14 PM
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Splitting the first date BEFORE the two are paired up does not mean she can't let the man pay for everything AFTER they're paired up. As a guy I'd be fine with paying for my girlfriend. But I'm not fine with paying for random women I may never see again. The latter is annoying and makes one feel like a sucker.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 08:09 PM
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She probably takes on a traditional role in relationships. There is no relationship at the first date stage.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 08:06 PM
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Women behaving masculine does not severely impact their interpersonal social outcomes unless taken to extreme levels.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 08:39 AM
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That is also true.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 08:38 AM
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Women's gender roles were enforced societally. (ex. a masculine behaving woman was ostracized by her family and peers) Men's gender roles are enforced individually. (ex. a feminine behaving man cannot get laid) Feminism eased societal enforcement of gender roles, but not individual enforcement. It should not be a surprise that men are turning against feminism in this case. Since women being free from gender roles but men still having to adhere to them to date feels like a scam.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 02:21 AM
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So you prefer the good old days where women weren’t listened to, and weren’t able to attempt to seek justice or protection when they were assaulted or harassed? You've said that you and most women prefer to be approached, but the current culture makes many men deathly afraid of and susceptible to being called creepy if they approach, so it's a textbook example of ya'll making things harder (raising the social skills bar for approaches) but not sharing in any of the burden (not approaching men yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 07:51 AM
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He shouldn't but unfortunately if he wins the primary it's basically guaranteed he wins the general since the current Trump term is terrible for most people and has turned the public off of the GOP. One-term president probably though.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 07:46 AM
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It's even worse for minority men than white men. Look at the dating app stats. We have lowest match rates there, but feminism has made approaching in real life a nightmare.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 07:34 AM
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Because from where I see it, all it has done is create a society in which women are now expected to work full-time, but also still do the bulk of the domestic labor. Feminism has removed a ton of weight off of the shoulders of men and placed it squarely onto women. That only benefits men in domestic relationships with women (and only if they don't prefer housewives). Feminism has made it a lot harder for a man to actually get to the domestic relationship stage.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 07:33 AM
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The bullied and ostracized young monkey Punch recently got laid found a romantic partner. Meanwhile when human men get bullied and ostracized it just continues on eternally until they die or become shut-ins. Defective species.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 09:53 PM
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All X are like that applies to similarities shared by all/the grand majority of the group, which is not this.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 02:37 AM
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Would this make you think lesser of women? No. If your answer is anything but no, you are just lying to yourself. No, it's true. I already think poorly of women for other reasons, typically ones that actually apply to a majority of them rather than just a fringe minority. (similarly I think poorly of men for different reasons)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 01:38 AM
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Unless the amount of men raping women is 100% you have no argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/26 01:22 AM
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It's just plain sexist to fail to distinguish between criminal men and law-abiding men. The difference matters. Funny how generalizing is suddenly fine for feminists when it's about men. Anyway female murderers also disproportionately target men, so there is zero need for a gender qualifier in my statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 04:02 AM
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You get put on the jury duty rolls from having to sign up for the selective service, even if you didn't register to vote or get a driver's license.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 03:50 AM
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Yes it is about achieving equality. Laws should be equal on the books. Otherwise equality is a lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 03:49 AM
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Lol we have had a county of pussy men that are finally showing their true colors now! This is the first era where large portions of young men don't get laid. They are not being incentivized to protect their country. Dying on the battlefield as a virgin while the politicians who signed off on your death bang countless women is being a cuck, which is worse than being a pussy. Taking credit for what other men have done He's flipping feminist logic back on itself. No we don't deserve compensation fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 03:43 AM
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Why are no blue pillers getting on her caae for this virgin-shaming when people never STFU about women being called sluts instead?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 03:36 AM
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Russia sure isn't low population, yet it sure isn't completing its military objectives without the draft either.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 03:33 AM
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It's realistic. No, it is not, no geopolitically relevant country is going to announce to the world that there's a hard cap on how many soldiers they can field in a war. That makes them foregone losers in battles of attrition and thus insant targets. Of the ~200 countries in the world only 10 to 20 explictly forbid conscription. And most of them derive protection from security deals with countries that do permit drafts instead. Have a professional army and do something about your powerhungry and…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 03:31 AM
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asshole with zero decorum or social skills and expect them to tolerate the disrespect. Yes, that is how men treat men. If you're asking for better then you're genuinely not asking for equality in a lot of cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 03:18 AM
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pull young men out of the red pill pipeline There is no way to do that since the red pill is correct. All they can do is ad hominem at TikTokers who barely anyone on forums like these watches to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 03:08 AM
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women say so That could be the apex fallacy I'm calling out. Ask mediocre men if they feel more respected than women. Trans people Problem is those are trans people comparing the trans experience to their prior cis experience. I don't think it's a controversial claim that transpeople are often treated worse than cispeople. That could throw off the comparison. Highly doubt FTM are reporting great experiences either.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:57 AM
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Most groups of men will tell you it's a struggle. Someone having done something doesn't mean it wasn't hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:49 AM
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Stop slut shaming bro. They are sexually liberated women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:45 AM
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Outside of both producing ragebait/shock content there's no similarity whatsoever. Bonnie Blue has sex. Red pill influencers debate people and peddle social theories/advice. Harrison openly admitted he doesn't believe what he preaches and would say and do whatever was needed to make him money, which is exactly what Bonnie Blue does. There's no reason to believe Bonnie Blue doesn't like sex. And I don't think she preaches anything other than her desire to have sex. nobody has become a mass shoote…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:41 AM
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Credibility/respect advantage? Where? He said average men not successful ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:26 AM
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You must live in a safe neighborhood, not everyone does.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:24 AM
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Other party is soft on violent crime, which disproportionately targets men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:19 AM
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And low class people have even less advantages There are more low class men than low class women, so idk the point of bringing this up.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:15 AM
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Nobody wants to still be dating at 40. This is like saying a buff prisoner has it easier than a skinny prisoner.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:14 AM
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Young men have known conservatives don't hold their economic interests at heart since 2015 when Bernie Sanders got popular. Problem is that kinda applies to both parties, and is thus a wash. So the young male vote gets decided by cultural issues instead, and they've really got no reason to vote Dem. on that front.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:08 AM
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Statistically slutty people are more likely to break up or cheat, so literally no.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:50 AM
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Are women also entitled to sex? Courts often seem to act like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 09:20 AM
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Nobody's entitled to sex. (unless they paid for it lol) But in a world where you can be drafted to die for society people are gonna be RIGHTEOUSLY pissed if said society's structure gatekeeps basic joys of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 09:18 AM
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https://np.reddit.com/r/greentext/comments/1rwe3hl/anon_on_double_standards/ Man posts about getting the ick over his GF having a high n-count and wanting to break up. Gets downvoted and shamed for toxic judgmentality since n-count shouldn't matter. Someone reposts the same thread on the same subreddit 9 months later as a woman talking about her BF. Everything else is the same, yet "she" gets upvoted by the thousands, is told she didn't overreact, and that it doesn't even matter if she did since…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 04:26 AM
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Male attraction is a balance of quality and accessibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 10:02 PM
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You’d still assume in your head she always wanted casual sex Any western woman who wants to have casual sex can just go do it. you will still assume your girlfriend is having casual sex That is nonsensical. Please don't project paranoia. how is she supposed to cope with the fact that what he really really want is casual sex, and he is only settling for her because he can’t get the pumping and dumping he really wants There's no proof of that. I can’t imagine wanting to be the old “ball and chain”…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 09:55 PM
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After a lifetime of losing we don't also want to be losers in our relationships. Doesn't matter that he might be more attractive, more charming, or simply did something this guy didn't think to do. So then keep dating those guys. We want women who prefer us, not ones who are dating us because X more desired guy isn't available. They get so stuck on the fact that some past guy might've gotten somewhere faster that they become completely blind to the relationship they actually have in front of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 12:53 PM
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Women have less low IQ members and more education + socialization on average. If random virgin men can sniff out bad dudes why can they not? Often they actually can but just choose not to. They take the risk then complain if they get burned.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 12:39 PM
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Your odds of success are a lot higher than his so doesn't the "likely outcome" metric hurt your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 08:06 AM
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You don't have to do anything, I'm just saying insulting men for not doing things you also don't do is ridiculous. He's "not interested enough" but we're supposed to believe women are always super interested and never settling in the absence of any proof.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 07:06 AM
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All hot or sexual women easily attract guys, that's not any mystery.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 05:29 AM
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The usual explanation is that women chase attractive men who treat them badly while decent men get ignored, usually simply because of looks (because we all know that attractive people are the bad ones in this narrative). The guy does not need to be attractive. It doesn't matter if he pulled based off of looks, money, status, or personality. All that matters is that he's harmful, yet still got chosen. But this argument assumes that there are a lot of appealing “good guys” being passed over. No, i…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 05:27 AM
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That's why women are taught about red flags and autonomy. Not very well, as shown by the prevalence of mistakes, hence the need for an additional touch. Logical inference is an important skill. Since your conclusions were inaccurate to the intent of the statements, I don't think they were very logical. I am an anti-PC red piller who has received multiple bans for sharing my beliefs. If I mean something I will state it as clearly as I can manage. There is no need to baselessly infer more. If only…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 05:11 AM
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Women are man enough in lesbian dating, otherwise they would never get together.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 03:43 AM
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But as he highlighted people of every other sexuality with his traits do fine, while most straight guys with them do not. His statement is about the total population, not just a cherrypicked subset. If you count women, attractive men, and LGBTQ, most people have no issue getting laid. His group is disproportionately punished.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 03:19 AM
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Happened a whole lot less often. Go back far enough and most guys were marrying virgins.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 03:16 AM
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The objective reality is that some people are bad and effort should be taken to avoid them. You're drawing a whole bunch of additional conclusions that are not being stated. If I don't want to get bombed I'm not traveling to the Middle East right now. That doesn't mean that if I do and then get bombed it isn't the warmongers' faults, or that in a perfect world my choice shouldn't have been fine. But regardless of blame I could've still made better decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 03:11 AM
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Yes, but they would be more likely to at least never have casual sex at all. It's easier to cope with not having casual sex if your girlfriend also didn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 03:04 AM
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Because the average woman can do what he does, while he is one of a very small amount of men who can.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 03:01 AM
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But if the work still would not get him the results he wants then he is objectively not the problem. You're assuming the outcomes are available to everyone if they just put in enough work. That is not always the case. Also, the requirement for him to do disproportionate amounts of work is also not his fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 02:58 AM
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It's doubtful that the successful men are facing all of his exact limitations. And also, you're underrating random chance. If I play the lottery but someone else wins that doesn't mean I somehow played the lottery wrong. It just means there was a low chance of winning, and while he got lucky I did not.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 02:54 AM
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Women are looking for healthy food that tastes good. Men are just looking for food; preferably with distant expiration dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 02:49 AM
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Many men want to be sex toys. Being desired for what you are > being desired for what you do, to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 02:44 AM
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Unless you're bad at it and still don't get laid. So it's still about the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 02:43 AM
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If it's lazy, stupid, and/or stupid for men to not arrange dates it's also lazy, stupid, and/or selfish how women almost never do it the first go-around.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 02:42 AM
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It's even lamer if someone is one of those dudes who never got casual yet still provides a safety net for a woman who did, after she constantly passed over guys like him previously.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 02:38 AM
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Nobody can get into a relationship with anyone they want. The point of difference is simply people who can get into any relationships at all vs. people who cannot.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 02:31 AM
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Maybe they should've listened to all the advice that it would suck, and not did it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 02:30 AM
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Women sure aren't, they basically never do anything with shy passive awkward submissive guys, so men can't remotely compare to them on pickiness regarding personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 02:26 AM
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Regardless, you would likely find relationship options eventually if you allowed online courtship from mid and below men and vetted them for morals and commitment (ex. not having sex right away). The guys saying they cannot get relationships mean they have no options in any environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 02:23 AM
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They are literally trying to prevent repeats by suggesting women stop dating men with those personality types.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 01:49 AM
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My father expected me to be exceptional and I wasn't that. My mother expected me to be average and I wasn't that. Mom seems to have taken it less hard though, I was able to reason with her that garbage-in garbage-out applies to people too. Dad's still an obnoxious bitch though, doesn't get that after multiple kids bungled it in completely different ways maybe he was part of the problem, his best-off children are the ones he didn't raise himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 09:01 AM
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He's still better than an abuser, so who gives a fuck?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 01:06 AM
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Do you think it's okay for 10s to have this attitude? It's not okay for anyone to have that attitude, but it's at least more understandable and tolerable the more attractive you are. I can easily not to talk to especially attractive women. I would have to actively go out of my way to avoid average women, which is annoying and severely cuts down my approach options. She's not mid anyways, above average face Her face is absolutely not above average. Women generally can't accurately rate women.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 08:02 AM
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She could be apple-shaped with a fat gut and toothpick legs and have a completely different (lower) level of sexual attractiveness. Yes, that would be ugly instead of mid. Men continue to ignore how sexual dimorphism specifically affects this. A little extra fat doesn't make her as "ugly" as a man with a little extra fat, and it's not because men have lower standards. It's because female fat distribution has the ability to be deposited in sexually enhancing ways in a way that men have no equival…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 06:46 AM
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Regardless of how chubby you think she is She is objectively chubby. there's quite a number of men who would find her body attractive. She'd be considered "thick in the right places" for a lot of men. I'm aware. Men are actually attracted to average women, unlike vice-versa. And if even you call her mid, she's still not matched with ugly men Since sadly it's not socially acceptable for men to use cosmetics like her. so IDK why you say this is proof of "toxicity" Thousands of women believing it's…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 06:12 AM
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Watching a dude livestreaming a cold approach marathon in Miami, bro's been rejected by almost 30 women so far, and the one time he didn't he fucked it up due to a non-rejection not being expected. Brutal. 😭
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 04:37 AM
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Well, no. I guess this underlines the need to date people who also didn't do that, otherwise the one left out's gonna feel like a sucker.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 03:59 AM
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Literally happens in real life with casual sex scenarios.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 03:51 AM
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There was a study and only 7.9% of manosphere men who went reported therapy helping lol. Issues had in these communities are generally structural rather than mental so therapy is not likely to do anything. It's like sending a civil rights protestor to therapy; the problem is external so nothing will happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 01:16 AM
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I'm sure that's the case sometimes, but in other scenarios the women have literally posted themselves that their "best sex" was with those guys. Think about the women in your life that you actually care about (mom? Sister? Daughters?). Do you honestly think that they would want that? Yes and I'm the wrong dude to ask that. We've got histories of prostitution and youth abortions in this family lol. My mom had me with a dude convicted of sexual assault, an utter degenerate.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 01:01 AM
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Those aren't the feelings being measured here. None of that indicates raw desire. Hell it's all conditional on personality, something that is not intrinsic to us.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 12:52 AM
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Blue pillers overcomplicate everything. The complaint is about doing the same work but not getting laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 12:43 AM
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Except a bunch of women still have sex in situationships like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 12:39 AM
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Unfortunately there is no other way to tell.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 12:38 AM
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Mid at best chubby woman complains about men who look like shit approaching her and being delusional for thinking they had a chance: https://www.tiktok.com/@gigithesiren/video/7612285770602155294 Got about 150k likes with many women agreeing and defending her in the comments. Dunno why blue pillers pretend the dating environment isn't toxic as fuck at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 12:14 AM
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Why do men who believe in hypergamy generally ask many multiples of women to pick better Because women have more complaints about about being used for sex/cheated on/etc. than the men benefitting do. If women didn't complain then they wouldn't be addressed. Obviously, if you're successful, you don't need to change anything. rather than ask alpha men to be happy with just one partner We tried that back in the religious days. Feminists said no. There is no other method to convince alpha males to l…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 09:03 PM
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Even the men do not assault women benefit from the fact that some men do. No we don't. We get blamed for shit other people did that we derived zero advantage from.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 02:03 AM
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I do not think we are correct when we say we are attracted to most women, in fact, its imprecise. What most of us mean, is most women do the job of the minimum Which means that men's minimum is not hypergamous. That is the only distinction being made. practically speaking however, as do our porn tastes reveal, we all have a certain type of "stacy" we are actually attracted to. And? Nobody said men aren't attracted to hot women. It's just that preferences are not requirements.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 01:56 AM
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That doesn't explained guys who get constantly friendzoned. They are clearly safe yet nobody likes them lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 05:45 AM
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He said "of himself" so presumably they're equally facially attractive. It's hilarious how much women are trying to skate around this question. Most humans find face symmetry more attractive than a number on a tape measure, you are quite unusual. This is not a gender difference, this is about you personally being an extreme outlier. Ask most men here and we'll agree with OP that we'd find the female version of ourselves attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 12:49 AM
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That is why some women who aren’t even that good looking get treated very well by their man who is obsessed with them he thinks she’s good looking and that’s all that matters. On the flipside there are women who are drop dead gorgeous who get treated like crap by their man. That's entirely on their choice of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 12:42 AM
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So might as well give up on even trying to present adoration, agreeableness, and lack of opinion voicing. Most women aren't hot, so they'd still need to compensate. I mean who wants to be like that anyway?😵‍💫🤢🤮😵 I would be like that if it was what women wanted. It's easier to do than what they actually want. The real honesty is in being who you are regardless of what you think is generally sought after. Men can't afford to do that unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 12:38 AM
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Those aren't sexually attractive but they're emotionally attractive and we're more likely to stay in faithful relationships with women who do those things. (some guys will still cheat on them, but they'd cheat on anyone)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 12:34 AM
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I think a big problem is that when people complain about ‘not getting attention’ or not being able to date, it’s because they’re aiming for conventionally attractive people that everyone else also wants. That may be the case in real life, but the Reddit dudes doing it often genuinely have no options.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 12:31 AM
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Yes a lot of women are sexually attracted to personality. Virtually no women are sexually attracted to niceness specifically though.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 12:23 AM
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They are not directly sexually attracted to niceness.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 12:22 AM
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Men constantly claim they hate women who have casual sex for example, but when you look at the real wolrld, this is not reflexted in their behavior at all. How so? The guys saying they hate women who have casual sex either aren't having casual sex or refuse to marry women who have casual sex. Both groups are consistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 12:21 AM
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I got a 3 day Reddit ban for answering, so that's probably part of why.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 12:17 AM
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LMAO no mens dating advice is just as trash as womens. Getting dates/etc. is way easier for women, so it's impossible to give them equally bad advice. They could take advice from a toddler and still functionally date. Women's advice is uniquely able to lock a man out of dating. Mens advice is self serving and always boil down to “give him a chance he’s just awkward maybe you approach him hey don’t overthink that” which will just result with a woman getting pumped and dumped. That is no more like…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 12:11 AM
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Two reasons why the issue differs: Women tend to not give advice regarding what men actually want to do, that being sparking instant sexual attraction and getting laid quickly. Men will honestly give advice for anything women are asking about; if they want to be hot we'll tell them they should lose weight if they're fat, wear makeup if they're ugly, and be flirtatious, if they want to be desirable for relationships they should be nice, soothing, and keep a clean dating history, and if they want …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 11:57 PM
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So then I ask you - if you’re a straight man - why aren’t you able to make that detached by when your female partner (real or hypothetical) has multiple partners? If the dudes got to do the same thing then there generally wouldn't be a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 10:13 PM
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So the comparison is useful for pointing ou how straight gender roles exclude some people from dating, when those people would've been fine had their sexuality been different.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 10:11 PM
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We understand the world is sensitive AF but we do not care.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 10:05 PM
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Gay men perform better in school and are significantly more likely than straight men to have a bachelor's as well as postgraduate degrees. We're not gonna talk about that though Nah that fits the rare red pill theory that the reason men lag behind women in terms of societal achievement is because the level of work required to date as a man looking for women splits their focus too much. While gay men, like women, can just "work on themselves" and wait for partners to come to them/click and choose…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 10:02 PM
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Lmk when straight men will start allowing that 🙃 The reason it's not allowed is because most straight men don't get to sleep around like gay men. So it'd change when that changes.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 09:57 PM
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Unless the gay dude looks like roadkill he'll still be able to find a sizable portion of sexual partners, even if it's not as many as a perfect bull/bear/twink.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 09:51 PM
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So is all the disdain for graying and balding. That's a mature man with life experience right there.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 06:11 PM
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We're not doing that. Your husband is likely not the only partner you've been with and words are being used according to their dictionary definition here.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 05:30 PM
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A straight man born ugly, short, and autistic isn't naturally undesirable? Would you date one?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 05:19 PM
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Nice bait It's not bait just because it kills your argument. The reason the guy has no sexual success could be something that makes the opposite sex look worse than himself. He could be a productive worker with many friends who's maintains his family and volunteers on the side, but never get laid because he doesn't meet women's standards of assertiveness or something, and isn't hot enough to make up for ot. He's not a loser by any meaningful standard, rather just because he's a man and women dis…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 05:00 PM
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So it's necessary to blame women so that unsuccessful men can keep their wits about them? You don't have to do it. He's just saying they have to. Accountability for their actions Often no action was taken. The dude was just naturally undesirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 04:50 PM
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If a trait isn't considered a shortcoming for everyone then it's not an objective shortcoming for anyone. It's a subjective one determined by gender roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 04:48 PM
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blaming another person for your own shortcomings Dude, if you cast baseless blame on someone they're gonna do the same back. A big part of OP's point is that men tend to be judged for things women are rarely judged for in dating contexts, such as various harmless personality traits, so in that case the trait is not some objective "shortcoming" but rather something men are disproportionately punished for under gender roles. I agree that women shouldn't be blamed for their natural preferences, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 04:40 PM
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Are men the ultimate arbiters of how "things" should be "seen"? No, but men simply tend to have easier to meet standards than women. There's no real way around that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 04:33 PM
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Who else would I blame for women's tendencies than themselves? In many cases the decisions are not conscious, so nobody. Blaming people for things they do or say is fine. Blaming people for natural aspects of their being is pointless.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 04:29 PM
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And then they get banned on sight from this one Fuck out of here with that petty tyrant shit, you should never get banned from a sub without breaking a rule on that sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 06:16 AM
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Every dating discussion is contingent on looks, it is silently assumed that it is a non-issue. Overlooking this has been fatal for well meaning discussion. Too many people are being given a false impression that it is not as serious as the malleable traits in dating. Problem is you get the opposite crisis when looks talk is allowed, people constantly reducing every dating discussion to looks. Blame the black pillers and pink pillers. The problem is just that the implementation of the biweekly Lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 06:10 AM
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If 80–99% of men are (by this logic) clueless and/or unsuccessful, why is male advice supposed to be so much more valuable than female advice? Because 100% of straight women are unsuccessful at pulling straight women. 1-20% > 0% If women kept their personalities but were otherwise turned into their straight male equivalents, most of them would be stuck as incels. Bi/lesbian advice is more credible, but with the asterisk that those women still benefit from multiple halo effects that you as a stra…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 08:40 AM
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I’m not very knowledgeable of the Bonnie Blue thing, but AFAIK those men paid or did something to do that? Payment isn't allowed since the whole thing would end up illegal in many areas that way. The event arrangement is reliant upon the sex being free.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 08:23 AM
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Dan Crenshaw lost his primary, so glad that lame bum is leaving the US government.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/26 08:06 AM
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This is Reddit, not 4chan or TheDonald.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 02:40 AM
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Exceptions do not disprove trends.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 02:38 AM
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Nowadays women's in-group bias is causing significant social backlash and male toxicity, so it's actually in their best interests to move past it. Feminism can't just be one-sided.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 02:37 AM
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Many of the women saying they don't care about sexual history need to stop the cap. How many women do you think would date a guy who confessed to being one of the hundreds who banged Bonnie Blue? It's most certainly not many (unless the dude was a stud or something).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 02:33 AM
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No. Read better.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 12:38 AM
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Cuck boy Trump just asked Iran for a ceasefire. Iran rejected it and is continuing to bomb American allies at will. What the fuck did he expect? He just helped another country assassinate their leader. Backing down after that would be such a pussy bitch move. Violence begets violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 10:27 PM
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Who cares about what women do, I'm talking about the red pill. As fucking expected. Quit deflecting. If you can't address what I said about the red pill, don't comment. I have no comment on your claims, I'm just pointing out the blatant hypocrisy regarding where you aim them. This is exactly the loser statement I expect from red pill people. It's loser behavior to take bullshit from a disingenious critic who's singling you out. Once again, you'll be taken seriously and engaged as such when you'r…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 10:24 PM
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Clearly it is about feeing inferior to the woman too if you feel a need to “catch up” in n count relative to her. No, that's not how the thought process works. The way it goes is, men were naturally born with the desire to sleep with many women. But the man regulates that after social conditioning that this is careless behavior, and that one should focus on seeking a loyal relationship with one partner instead. Normally it's simple to tolerate, and the man is able to keep his nature in check. Bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 08:53 PM
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Where is this energy when feminists and pink pillers complain about men? If you guys were actually even-handed about this maybe people would listen.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 08:33 PM
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Old red pill can't possibly be part of the blue pill when the two still don't agree on what women's preferences tend to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 08:25 PM
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Black pillers are just not red pillers period. One group believes looks are everything while to the other group doesn't. Regardless of overlap regarding whining and/or misogyny they're still two fundamentally seperate groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 08:15 PM
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There are actually five types (only really sharing the feeling that the blue pill keeps guys in the dark about women's true preferences), so a lot of confusion: Ancient TRP - Basically just PUAs, exaggerates the relevance of personality and game relative to looks/money/status, got phased out once dating apps picked up. OG TRP - What most red pillers think of when picturing TRP. Heavy on self-improvement in all categories (not just game), emotional independence, and personal freedom backed by rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 08:10 PM
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Because if his n is lower then he’ll feel inferior to her, right? Not quite. Rather he'll feel: The need to catch up, which is obviously incompatible with a monogamous relationship. Potentially resentment, if she had more casual affairs while he was stuck with standard dating. We mainly feel inferior to high n men because they're constantly being chosen over us, and either have skills we can't grasp or were born with extreme advantages. But there's no accomplishment or novelty to a woman being h…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 07:38 PM
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By that logic you should leave the subreddit because your post lacks proper punctuation.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 07:24 PM
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Men want sex (and sexual variety) more than women, so in any given relationship the man should have a higher n than the woman. If the man has a lower n then something went wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 06:06 PM
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So Reddit's crashing out over mansosphere terminology going mainstream. Since the USA Pentagon said that it's "lethalitymaxxing" lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 05:42 PM
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If you're a 3rd-world soldier and still a virgin then something went wrong. That's basically passport bro'ing on steroids.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 03:49 AM
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Slightly better man than Trump and Netanyahu.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 03:46 AM
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Countries gotta start fighting back against the US, sad as it to say and as much as I don't want to get got. Be the nice guy and you're still gonna be snuffed out. All those treaties and agreements are basically Trump's toilet paper. America is basically the geopolitical red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 03:42 AM
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If that's her general behavior then yeah probably. Not all standards apply to all women. We judge people differently based on personality and history. Dunno how you keep missing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 05:04 PM
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A person lying intentions and views on sex is alot more nefarious than someone who lacks social skills. Dating doesn't care about what's "nefarious". The former guy is more likely to get laid than the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 05:03 PM
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Why don't all the baby boy blue pillers across Reddit debate pink pillers, too? Pink pillers basically speak the same way in favor of women as red pillers do in favor of men. Yet blue pillers never have anything to say to them? 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 10:49 PM
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They don't mind being used by prime age women for money. Getting used by aging women who already had cheap fun with other guys is the frustation.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 06:00 PM
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It's straight up moronic. You're not getting a hot sugar daddy. Hot guys don't need to pay to date women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 11:37 PM
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https://nypost.com/2023/06/20/i-divorced-my-dying-husband-he-wallowed-in-self-pity-and-killed-my-vibe/ "I divorced my dying husband — he wallowed in self-pity and killed my vibe" 💀 And before ya'll bring up, "men divorce their sick wives more often" that's probably due to a drop in sex lol, not because she was rightfully depressed about her illness.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 11:10 PM
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Most men are, the problem is ya'll assuming it's all men or falsely accusing the portion who aren't like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/26 01:32 AM
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Flat earth is not censored anywhere on Reddit except maybe science communities. You're generally allowed to be wrong and stupid, unless the venue specifically revolves around facts. Same goes for psychic mysticism and similar nonsense. Crypto scams and the like pose real-life financial risk and are potentially illegal so the censorship is justified along those lines. But people are allowed to be as dumb about crypto as they want on subreddits like wallstreetbets, as long as the harm is limited t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 11:03 PM
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Censorship of non-violent ideas is always bad. There is no actual justification to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 10:59 PM
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So bi chicks and lesbians are now gooning to a clip of some winter Olympics skater threading a microphone wire through her t-shirt. What? Even dudes aren't gooning to that. Women developing all sorts of weird fetishes now yet still can't form attraction to low value males.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 10:56 PM
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Women want the desirable man experience. They do not want the average man experience where you have to be confident, charismatic, and assertive to get anywhere. Most women HATE the idea of asking guys out. And they definitely don't want the below average male experience where you potentially get nothing no matter what you do. When polled on forums like this almost no women take eternal virginity over the female experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 04:44 PM
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That is better than women never wanting quick sex with you ever. Just be smart and don't give the baby.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 04:40 PM
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Did not expect JBW to beat even extreme shortness, goddamn are ya'll lucky.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 04:39 PM
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Nevertheless someone who has already successfully received validation from others expecting other people who never got any to just randomly "grow out of" the need ultimately runs hollow. I think it's a benchmark that nigh everyone needs to meet at some point. If it happens early for you then you don't worry about it. But if it's held off the need doesn't just magically go away.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 04:23 PM
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Would you prefer this app as a guy? or regular ol' tinder? Outside of the very last point (which I'll address), you have not outlined any manner in which this app is any worse than Tinder. The flaws you outlined are already basically already the case for average and below men on Tinder, only to a slightly less exaggerated extent, while on top of that they get little to no matches or replies. So logically (besides that one aforementioned point) the Gentlemen app is far superior, and the user just…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 04:13 PM
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"I respect the standard if she's always lived by it, but otherwise fuck that. " - and what choice do you have? Like all you have to do is respect and continue dating, or respect and leave The choices for me are either, "bang her and ghost" or immediately leave. Since I have a conscience I will generally just leave. Other guys have less of conscience. But I'm not seriously dating someone like that. I'm out as soon as I find out. Additional sex is not worth dignity. Men of pride don't subject them…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:53 PM
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It's like the contrapositive of saying that if men were to say en masse that they like assertive women, that women should become caricatures of boss babes - no, that'd be offputting AF. Boss babes still get laid and thus can still get away with that takeaway. That similar leeway is not extended in reverse makes the alleviation of gender roles sound like an illegitimate agenda only intended to benefit women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:32 PM
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They think it shouldn't matter that they don't have financial stability. There are broke guys who get laid. She's probably banged broke guys before too. Why do I suddenly have to have money? I respect the standard if she's always lived by it, but otherwise fuck that. But you still have to be attractive, and that means effort. Conveniently women don't have to follow gender roles to be sexually desirable yet men largely do. It's completely fucked up.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:28 PM
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It's really irrelevant how happy women are single. Are they happier than men while totally celibate and/or virginal? Because that's th3 actual fair comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/26 03:25 PM
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I am clearly asserting that your example doesn't adequately support the claim of a contradiction. There are probably better ways to make said point.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 09:14 PM
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Who commits the most crime? Certainly not the people with the "feminine" set of traits, the law-abiding peaceful folk. But TRP isn't about what's "good" it's about what gets straight men laid. Unfortunately men with "feminine" personalities don't get laid, and guys who worship women also don't get laid, so even if women have the superior set of traits to men overall, it doesn't benefit us at all to glorify them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 08:56 PM
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Nobody needs advice for how to sleep with men. So yes in this context it's just women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 08:48 PM
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The advice is simply given as-is, regardless of whether the listener is willing to partake. Most of the men that need the advice to begin with probably won't take it. But that doesn't change its necessity level.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 08:46 PM
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No, most men are naturally like that. The ones who need the advice are the portion who aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 08:43 PM
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There's not much point bringing up the many bad aspects of men when women incentivize most of them. TRP is about being desirable to the opposite sex. If I have to advise you to do bad things then it's inconvenient for me to also have to constantly remind you that you're becoming a worse person. It sends mixed messages. But to be clear yes many men are bad. I think women tend to be terrible at telling which are bad and avoiding them, though, hence why the widespread mistreatment of women persists…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 08:36 PM
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What is the actual issue here? Everyone knows women in sports are unlikely to support Trump, hence why the invitation was used a subject of comedy, and predictably got rejected.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 08:31 PM
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The Mexican government is literally working with the American government on these operations. Don't be self-righteous without informedness.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 08:20 PM
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I usually oppose US globalism but I fully support their operations against the Mexican drug cartels. The problem is just too close to home and the Mexican government has proven largely incapable of handling the matter alone. Ever since America got El Mencho taken down yesterday the cartels have already killed 25 innocent Mexican soldiers in response. It's time to bury these monsters.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 07:39 PM
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To be fair I think a lot of people are using "just be yourself" as alternative way of saying "don't be shy", which is technically something you really usually can't afford to be as a straight man... But the phrasing overlooks the the fact that some dudes are in fact naturally timid, passive, and submissive. In their cases they have to be the opposite of themselves lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 02:27 PM
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All the remaining advice is "how to keep someone you want to keep, once you got them". Again, useful as fuck when you are attractive. Most attractive guys do struggle with the mid-term relationship things like this Thing is I'm pretty sure many of those attractive dudes are already aware of the advice, but don't care. They want relationships where they don't have to do that stuff, and believe the woman should be grateful just to have been chosen as his main chick at all. I have never seen someon…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 02:23 PM
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Personally I don't know anyone in a stable non-violent relationship. Just a bunch of divorcees, abusers, and cels.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 08:42 PM
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Preferring relationships is besides the point. Even if he chooses relationships it's still better to be the type of guy who could get hookups/FWBs if he wanted them instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 08:40 PM
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I guess but I don't really want to be friends with the types of people who hookup.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 08:38 PM
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You don't sleep with dogs nor are they intellectually stimulating, and the connection is conditional on personal support rather than attraction which is the whole reason guys are wary of older women to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 08:30 PM
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My younger bro's young girlfriend forces him to watch shitty anime but also tolerates him being unemployed, living with family, and being abusive. Sure seems more favorable than my options. I'm a man so I don't give a flying fuck if a woman is anxious, poor, or submissive at work, and being naive to manipulation is a plus since that means it'd be easier to keep her attracted. The stuff ya'll women like and the stuff us dudes like are very different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 08:23 PM
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They tried with other supposedly inferior partners. That doesn't mean the experience would automatically be poor with better partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 05:46 PM
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Everyone has different limits as to how much they can improve. Intent and action are not the same as ability.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 04:47 PM
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An adventurous socially awkward short ugly dude still ain't getting casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 03:46 PM
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That is a very good point, besides a woman can also say something like "I have had casual hookups with x amount of guys and I didn't get a relationship with any of them, maybe if I don't rush to go to bed with a guy I'll have better results." Thing is the problem isn't that she put out early, it's that she got with the types of guys who use women for sex. Guys like me instead would be open to date any women we had instant sexual chemistry with. So in my position, where I'd have stayed anyway, it…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 03:07 PM
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Making poor decisions at some point in your life does not mean you can take better decisions at a later point in your life. True, but a better match for them is people who made similar decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 03:02 PM
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I would reveal every unsavory aspect of my character upfront if I could count on others to do the same, but that's not realistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 02:59 PM
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You are mistaken if you think hooking up made her feel better. But that's a different point. I see a lot of people who hooked up advise others that young adulthood is a time for them to explore, have fun, and figure out what they like. In that case they don't seem regretful. I also see a lot of people who hook up make fun of virgins, incels, etc. In that case clearly the hook up was preferred over no sex at all. And of course many people argue vehemently against the traditionalists who warn agai…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 02:43 PM
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I wouldn't make demands I would just leave. At the point where you have to plead it's not a worthwhile relationship anyway. A proper partner WANTS to try all that stuff with their current partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 02:28 PM
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You can speculate all day about the butterfly effect that could or could not have led to her liking you. Any number of things could've influenced your relationship. What if you were childhood friends and you were the only person she felt safe with? What if you both were into a very niche hobby? Obviously odd scenarios like that are their own thing. I'm referring to arrangements the average person's likely to run into. What if she was hooking up with boys because she felt that was the only way fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 02:09 PM
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You are not the same man you were back at the time. Well see a lot of men know full well they've only declined relative to the past, which makes the settling even more obvious. She isn't the same person either. Often that means less bubbly, less adventurous, less sexual, more jaded, more financially demanding, and less physically attractive. Young adulthood is generally prime. The fact of the matter is, that the person who decided to go out on a date with you, at that moment, is interested in yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 02:02 PM
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If not having sex on the first date is a deal breaker for you, then you should reject every woman who isn't willing to do that with you. But it's fine if that's simply her universal behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 01:37 PM
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True, but then that enters, "she probably would've overlooked me when she was younger" territory which also feels pretty bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 01:36 PM
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Judging someone for having a hook up at some point or for having past casual relationships is stupid, and the fact that the person's standards changed or are different at a later point in life generally has to do with multiple variables. It is not simply about you being uglier or less attractive than someone she once dated. That's true on an indivdual level, but if it's a recoccuring trend with every woman you meet, what other conclusion is there to be drawn?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 01:05 PM
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No, it's fine for her to stop. She can then date: Guys who are also done with hookups. Guys who don't care. She just shouldn't try to date guys who do care. I don't personally like being barred from hookups, and I would not enjoy dating a woman who hooked up with others but all of a sudden wants me to wait for sex. There is no way for me to distinguish that I'm not getting second fiddle treatment there. The relationship would go south fast if I ever found out. Not everyone is compatible with eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 01:01 PM
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America shouldn't pay back a cent of the tarriffs. The American people already got screwed over by inflation after these dumbass tarriffs, yet now we're getting doubly screwed by having to pay them back? Fuck outta here.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/26 06:53 PM
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Just saw the videos of the abandoned baby monkey getting bullied by bigger monkeys. I can't be a zookeeper because those bully monkeys would not have had a good day if I was there.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 06:52 PM
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Well we're just different, I actively bitch about Reddit bans on Reddit while no longer Reddit banned. The ban literally no longer applies but I'm still mad it ever existed. Men bitch about no paper abortions even if they don't have sex. Men bitched about Michelle Obama proposing taking pizza out of US school lunches despite being years out of school. We bitch about no free speech laws in the UK/etc. despite never going there. Unfair treatment is very serious business to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 05:28 PM
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That's great and makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 05:19 PM
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That's not proof of shit. I'm gonna be pissed if I get banned from a store/event/school/country/etc. even if I had no intention to ever visit them. I want the freedom to choose to do things regardless of whether I'm interested in actually doing them. It's about respect and dignity, not the action itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 05:03 PM
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It's a silly argument but I think the original point is silly to begin with. "They're just jealous!" Okay well nobody would be jealous if they were being treated equally, so get over it? Literally nothing wrong wth being mad about getting the short end of the stick, and people obviously aren't going to stop. Women are free to denounce promiscuous men too.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 04:51 PM
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Unless they actually do it there's no proof.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 04:45 PM
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Because he gets laid, and is honest about why all his problems don't prevent him from getting laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 04:43 PM
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Gen Z's currently dumping Andrew Tate for him and Nick Fuentes lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 04:41 PM
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If women want there to be gender parity on the n-count issue then they need to start judging promiscuous men as harshly as they judge "incels". Women can fix the double standard instantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 04:40 PM
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It is a sexist, self-owning term that only exists because of men who are too insecure about their own lack of sexual success that they feel the need to insult women--women who are living the life they so desperately wish they had, by the way. "Ran-through" comes from jealousy, first and foremost. If that was the case, then wouldn't the whole issue go away if women just started hooking up with all guys in general, instead of only a select few? Then nobody would have anything to be jealous of, sin…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 04:33 PM
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They 3 day banned me so I couldn't respond lol. Why? Can't imagine why else young men are abandoning feminism in droves. It's not as if they weren't raised to know the logical merits. Nothing magically resolves in life. We don't have any reason to assume that a given man is just laying around whining and never actually doing anything. No but there's no reason to assume his personality would massively change in adulthood. And we know that things like character and life skills are attractive, and …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/26 04:27 AM
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2.4% of men experience sex repulsion and around .2% of men identify as asexual. How much of an overlap do you think there is between men who find sex to be revolting or don't experience sexual desire, and men who don't have sex? Some, I guess. Even if we be generous and cut the percentage to 1% (though I doubt it's that simple; your sex-repulsed men stat is higher than than your virgin stat, which indicates to me that a lot of these men repulsed by sex had it before in order to determine that) t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 03:21 PM
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No, not being celibate is the incentive to tough things out to begin with. If you're still celibate regardless then it's just suffering for nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 01:55 PM
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So then blue pillers need to stop jumping to, "it's your toxic personality" every time a guy talks about being unable to find partners. There is nothing to justify the assumption that he's a bad person.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 01:50 PM
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If all it takes is having temporary access to a woman's body, 97.9% of men "succeed" by 60 2.1% of men is still millions of men. Counting men who are already old overlooks how dating got significantly harder from the 2010s onwards. Once the actual current crop of young men hits 60 most likely a significantly lower percentage than 97.9% of them will have had sex, and it'll be too late to help any of them if people wait until after we actually see those lower stats before anyone starts discussing …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 01:32 PM
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Men are not going out and dating the women they complain about here. Most of the complaints are about not getting to date at all. They're just telling it like it is, while everyone that disagrees is bitching about nothing! Nobody said the bitching was about nothing, we're saying that many women are still choosing the guilty men over lonely innocent men anyway, so their complaints are hypocritical.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 09:40 AM
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If temporarily getting someone to put up with him is success, you could argue that he's successful. They're successful compared to the guys who get nobody. "The ladies who can be tricked" aren't a demographic men should aspire to impress. Yes they are if the alternative is nobody.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 09:21 AM
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I've seen plenty of people argue that many of the men who post here are struggling with dating because of their bad personality because they have a bad personality. And that's still nonsensical, since they were still failing at dating before they had toxic personalities, and the failure is what caused it to begin with. Deflecting to personal attacks and refusing to explain why there are actual morally good guys who still never get to date is why young men don't buy the blue pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 09:04 AM
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Kindness is not sexually attractive on it's own, if a guy is only kind he still won't get women. Gaslighting them about this causes resentment.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 08:57 AM
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You guys keep overlooking that there are guys who don't attack women who still never get with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 08:55 AM
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They wouldn't have had success in previous generations either. That makes no sense. 90% of adults were dating back in the early 2000s. Now it's like 70%-80%. Clearly something modern is pushing more people out of dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 08:51 AM
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If you chose to be an asshole you can't blame the world when you have no friends. People get annoyed when a non-asshole is still excluded.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 08:47 AM
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The aspects of mindset and attitude they attack are incorrect. They can never explain why there are progressive feminist guys who never get to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 08:44 AM
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Exactly, guys look into TRP to find out how to get laid, the moral character of the woman is irrelevant if the alternative is nobody.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 08:28 AM
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It's true that many bluepillers often overestimate how important being "good" is for dating, but many redpillers underestimate it. Mentally stable women tend to go for decent men. TRP is going for the women who are into TRP, though. It's not known how to make a random guy appealing to all these non-TRP-wanting women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 08:26 AM
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Just saw another story where some guy's wife, who chose him for "personality", cheated on him with Tinder Chad. You should absolutely not date someone you had to win over with "personality" if they're willing to hook up with others regardless of personality (i.e. just from seeing them on a dating app). Raw sexual attraction must be the foundation.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 01:47 AM
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If there was a realistic alternative means to find a partner that didn't risk harassment charges then everyone would recommend that instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 11:01 PM
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No I'm saying decent men often can't meet superficial standards. Nobody cares about sociopaths and racists being alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 08:46 PM
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The blue pill cannot provide any plausible way to approach women without risking annoying them. Therefore the red pill is correct that you shouldn't care if you annoy women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 08:43 PM
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Implying we support obvious garbage people. Call out the women still banging them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 08:42 PM
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I'm broke, but hopefully a good morally respectable man pays.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 08:15 PM
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If you were a man you'd be one of us complaining here, since as you said you prefer your partner asks, plans, and pays, which women almost never do.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 08:08 PM
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Gen Z men now stanning Jeffrey Epstein because at least he had influence and sex. Sucks how people let the modern social environment end up.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 08:06 PM
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I'm not following your reasoning. First, what's wrong with a woman having high standards? There doesn't have to be anything wrong with it. The point is just that the advice is going to be ineffective for many men since they can't meet high standards. Second, if a guy can't meet the standards of women who want to be hit on, why would he meet the standards of women who don't want to be hit on? The outside world is not exclusively women who don't want to be hit on. As OP said some do want to be hit…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 06:58 PM
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Criminal history is fair but we don't want to date women who are only into our money to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 06:44 PM
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The former is more statistically likely to happen than the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 06:41 PM
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The women using dating apps and meet events typically have high standards though. Otherwise the guys they meet other ways would've been enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 06:37 PM
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Yet will still not admit men need to meet a higher bar to date. 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 05:38 PM
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It puts nothing into perspective. How many times does it have to be said that all else equal an average woman has more options than an average man, and a low value woman has way more options than a low value man? The two can have the exact same traits and the woman will get way more offers by default.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 05:34 PM
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Yeah well men feel the same way about women constantly preferring superficially confident masculine big/tall dudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 04:15 PM
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His friend is most likely nothing like most guys here, since he was doing that stuff naturally, while pilled people generally only end up here after doing things their original way failed.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 03:59 PM
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Do whatever it takes to get laid is the same as saying "its ok to do whatever it takes to get laid because society became this way." He's saying it doesn't matter if it's okay or not. I would rather find a good woman Unlikely to be single/available past a certain age.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 03:57 PM
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Female modded mainstream subs permaban over any little thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 08:34 PM
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I'm pretty disappointed too, liking Bill Clinton is the liberal version of conservatives liking Trump. Gross creepy incompetent men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 08:31 PM
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So no charges are being pressed against the Trump supporter who gunned down his daughter. Seems like kind of a bigger thing to complain about than, "gee those Trumpers sure are insane." We need law and order in this country. Outside of self-defense all killers should at least be brought up on manslaughter charges at minimum.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 02:36 PM
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Yes paradoxically love-bombing works more from dudes with options who are probably lying than from mid guys who are more likely to genuinely mean it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 12:40 PM
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Trump and the GOP are the fascists so obviously they're not going to fix fascism. Also they love wealth inequality and corruption. Telling them to solve those problems is pointless. I'm calling on the GOP to do things that their supporters actually want.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 09:08 PM
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Spanish is taught in most public school curriculums and most of us still don't grasp/remember it regardless. It was my worst subject, personally. If you're raised on English there's a high probability you're gonna suck at learning anything else. Also this is an era where even learning basic stuff like getting bitches and a stable career is becoming incomprehensibly difficult, we don't have time to add extra languages too.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 07:45 PM
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Because after decades of "cultural advancement and social progression" people are going overboard with it now. So many service jobs requiring bilinguality and the Super Bowl shows even major broadcasts are willing to go with performers exclusively using languages that 85% of the country doesn't speak. Also we have unprecedented levels of immigration now and without an official language we can't mandate that they learn the language 85% of the people here exclusively speak. It causes long-term inc…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 07:29 PM
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The GOP isn't really about fixing major issues, they mostly just do culture war shit, so might as well get this done.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 07:23 PM
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Trump and the GOP need to hurry up and make English the official language of the US already. That's like one of the main reasons to have them in power. People keep saying "well America doesn't have an official language 🤷‍♂️" as a counter to the complaints about Bad Bunny at the Super Bowl, but the simple fact is that while there is no official language the grand majority of Americans literally only know English. Pretending otherwise is being obtuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 07:18 PM
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People are not remotelh as affectionate towards men in friendships as girlfriends are in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 04:08 PM
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People who only care for relationships, which are built on personality and compatibility, are more likely to not be superficial than people who bang others they've only known for one day or so, yeah. You barely know anything about a casual sex partner beyond looks and first impressions. It's not a direct relation, just a matter of probability.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/26 02:23 PM
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Most men are doing it naturally, but the portion of men who try to meet women halfway and not do it often don't receive reciprocal efforts back, so they give up and also start doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 08:54 AM
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Funny thing is if it had just been a 6 month ban or something instead of permanent, or if they hadn't left a rude note, I wouldn't have responded. Doing both at the same time is just provoking people to tell them to fuck off and/or ban evade though. Some of these mods are absolutely retarded.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 08:10 AM
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I said I don't want to seriously date them. Everything else is something you baselessly added. If what I said is hypocrisy then it's also hypocrisy to impose different restrictions on different partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 08:04 AM
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I'll start when women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 05:50 AM
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Low count women are less likely to be shallow, for one. For example a low count woman would be much less likely to have your username.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 05:48 AM
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So why do men complain that they don't get casual sex when they don't think women should have it? You should stop worrying about women having casual sex with other men and accept that it isn't for you. You're the guy women come to for something serious, there's nothing wrong with that. I don't want anything serious with women who have casual sex, unless they're similarly sexually liberated with me. They can easily go get other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 05:43 AM
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It's funny how beta males have natural instincts to support and serve women but women (on average) basically do everything in their power to purge such instincts from them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 05:08 AM
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Got perma-banned on first violation from a certain subreddit for joking in response to a joke. They had the gall to call my humor whiny and bigoted. Made sure to disrespect them in kind on the mod chat.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 02:47 AM
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So Imane Khelif finally admitted to having a Y chromosome. Can't believe the alt-right was actually right about something besides TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 03:25 PM
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Social oppression is real.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 11:40 AM
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Can't elaborate because of the dumb daily thread rules but there's a reason why he can do that and a lot of us can't.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 11:40 AM
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Problem is your interpretations of implicit beliefs are going to fail since you're not a man and don't grasp how men think. Explicit belief: Women claim they want the nice guy or good men, but they always want the bad boy as long as he’s hot. Implicit belief: When women say they want nice guys / good men, they must mean they’d be willing to have casual sex with any guy who isn’t a felon. No. It just means they shouldn't get intimate with bad men. Women’s standards for what counts as a “good man”…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 11:34 AM
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I'm not bailing anyone out even if I know them. If you're locked up 90% chance you deserve it. My relatives certainly did, I don't think they should've been bailed out.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 09:18 AM
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Just heard the rumors Epstein's still alive in hiding. A verified guard said someone was snuck out of his prison on the night of his "death" and someone's been playing his confirmed Fortnite account from Israel lol. Scumbags always get away with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 06:28 AM
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So then inexperienced people can't be confident. Yet straight men can't gain experience without confidence. The double bind proves my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 03:36 PM
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Blue pill has a serious problem with spreading "just be confident bro" rhetoric yet constantly saying things that would make men not confident.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 03:26 PM
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The blue pill is wrong. Beyond whatever it means specifically it's wrong because it denies the red pill, which is by far the view closest in line with actual human studies. And no it's not "everything that isn't the red pill". The blue pill is specifically against the red pill. It's possible for someone to be pill agnostic (no pill) or moderate between the two (purple pill) instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 02:28 PM
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Dems now threatening to force the Trump family to testify on Epstein after the GOP subpeona'd the Clintons. Shouldn't they, like... Just do it? Trump is obviously guilty. If Dems can bring him in then they should just do it, instead of threatening to do it as some sort of revenge for the Clintons, making it look like they're trying to protect filthy pedophile Bill.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 06:52 AM
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30 yr. old legitimate virgin, regardless of values.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 05:10 AM
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Well yes, if we limit the context to dating then those guys aren't losers, but limiting the context like that creates a circular definition problem. "Women don't want to date losers." "How are they losers?" "Because women don't date them." "Why don't women want to date them?" "Because they're losers." "How are they losers?" (repeat) Like, there has to be some other factor making them a loser, otherwise it doesn't make sense. Women not dating them and them complaining online is the result, but th…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 03:15 AM
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Men are not saying X happens to all men so much as all men must do Y to avoid X happening to them. I.e. all men have to be socially dominant or otherwise sexually desirable to not get excluded from dating. "Below average" men are just men who do less of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 02:48 AM
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No I mean literally no options. No women available. I don't think a man can have just any set of looks and personality traits and still have women interested in partnership. The guys here talking about there being no women are mostly being completely literal and serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 02:33 AM
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No woman is going to conclude that, the most politically correct option is what they said, "go try somewhere else I guess 🤷‍♂️". One can try this with AI too, feed enough negative attributes into the equation and eventually it'll basically just tell you to move. It'll never go "women are picky and hypergamous and you should lie to them" since that violates the guardrails.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 02:27 AM
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They date losers all the time as long as those losers are either physically attractive or socially dominant.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 02:24 AM
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Real life dating for straight men is hell on earth by default. Look at everything guys are expected to do in offline dating, how likely they are to be rejected and even seen as creeps, etc. Offline is only a better experience for women. Hence why dating apps are 70-80% male, since offline absolutely sucks for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 02:18 AM
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That makes no sense. There's no other way to get the stuff locked behind dating, so obviously men still do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 02:16 AM
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Most men here do not have a ton of options, and some have barely any/no options.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 02:12 AM
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He literally gave them his dating profile. That's not whining, that's taking action.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 02:10 AM
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When people say " im the complete opposite online then I am in person", do you believe them? Why wouldn't we? I'm not a paranoid clown who constantly baselessly accuses others of lying, unless I have data/anecdotes that contradict theirs'. Especially not to personally attack people and dodge the argument. The internet is an anonymous environment and thus different from an environment of constant judgment. Dunno how people struggle to grasp that. Wouldn't the women here be the same way? I have ye…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 02:07 AM
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??? No we can't.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 12:57 AM
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If you get one then you have it better than someone who gets neither.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 12:56 AM
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How is it crazy? It makes complete sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 12:56 AM
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That just supports his point, even the women who aren't hot, young, or thin get to have all these experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 12:51 AM
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For every woman talking about her positive experience with dating / a relationship with a man, there’s a man on the other side who’s also having that same experience. It's often a lower amount of men. There are more dateless young men than dateless young women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 12:50 AM
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Women have more access to those too, so OP's ultimately correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 12:47 AM
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When women insult men for something it's more personal than the reverse. Because women are rarely ever completely isolated from dating based on what they were insulted about. Men often are, so even joking insults from women are to be taken very seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 12:36 AM
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Meanwhile being sex objects helps their ego. It's the opposite of paying for sex. Glad we've come to an agreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 01:43 PM
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Illegal in many places so doesn't count. Also some guys are poor.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 01:01 PM
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Yes I do. For men who want sex to feel special, sexual access only has value if it signals uniqueness Getting casual sex signals male uniqueness, since most guys can't get it. A common rebuttal to this is: “Men would love to be used for sex.” And that’s true…… for men who want sex primarily because it’s enjoyable. No it's also common for guys who want female attention, a sense of worth, experience, bragging rights, etc. Men who insist they want relationships while enforcing hookup standards are …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 12:52 PM
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What perecentage of women do you think wouldn't be offended about being asked for a test? If the reaction from women would nigh unanimously be negative then it's kinda their fault men don't want to have to ask.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 12:36 PM
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But what's the point of that distinction? The way men behave towards other men proves it's not a matter of sexism, and male criminals are just bad in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 12:27 PM
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https://spectator.com/article/jeffrey-epstein-pro-gamer/ Significantly, it was revealed in this latest tranche of emails that Epstein met with the founder of 4chan Christopher Poole (who styles himself “m00t”) in October 2011, when Poole was but 23. Little about the encounter or their subsequent meetings is known, but on the day of his first audience with Epstein Poole chose to relaunch the /pol/ – “Politically incorrect” – board. For the uninitiated, /pol/ was the essential forcing house for th…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 09:01 AM
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I'm saying we can tell which men are bad before they commit crimes, while women are often very bad at that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 07:26 AM
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Epstein being the mastermind behind creating /pol/ on 4chan (which led to the likes of QAnon) is hilarious.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 03:36 AM
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The disagreement there is more that we're generally better at distinguishing harmful men than ya'll.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 03:21 PM
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Or they say that women pay attention to looks and then are surprised when they end up with shallow men, subtly equaling good looks with shallowness in a person. So the better you look the more shallow you are? No people in general are shallow, but ugly men don't typically have access to women who are hotter than the one getting the advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 03:17 PM
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Even if one takes that as true, it still does not change the simple fact that each sex is capable of trends that would members of the opposite sex on them. So your implication that the guy must've always been misogynistic is just false.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 03:12 PM
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Even though you could argue similarly that lying to bypass those standards actually justifies the 'pickiness' you're complaining about, as it proves that being cautious is necessary to avoid being misled. Nobody is talking about that type of pickiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 03:09 PM
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There are plenty of submissive men, women just don't date them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 03:03 PM
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More proof women like jerks.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 03:01 PM
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No, stop conjuring up nonsense. I brought up a situation that would embitter men towards women in response to you bringing up a situation that would embitter women towards men. The point being that poor treatment from the opposite sex can cause misogyny just like it causes misandry. It is ridiculous to only think misandry comes from poor treatment while misogyny is just some natural thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 02:42 PM
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Just understanding it and being honest is all you can realistically do. That alone deserves respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 02:28 PM
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Born losers, treated poorly as a result, then become hateful.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 02:23 PM
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They're sometimes accurate, sometimes wrong, but most of them are rarely relevant either way. "because they don't socialise, because they are cowards" are the only ones that particularly influence getting a date.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 02:21 PM
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How many women get denied the option of a relationship for a lifetime even if they try to be nice and supportive towards the opposite sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 02:13 PM
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If you're ugly and uncharismatic then you won't find partners regardless of whether you're misogynistic or feminist. It's just not a factor at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 02:11 PM
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Except studies say conservatives have more reproductive success than liberals. Too much erasure of progressive feminist men who don't get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 08:09 AM
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There are still people who get caught in stings, and random dude who can't get laid is unlikely to have street smarts or connections that would prevent it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 08:04 AM
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It goes back to his comment about casual sex though, likewise to get away with having no job or transportation the dude would have to be quite attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 08:01 AM
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It's a debate subreddit, so plenty of people here are blue pill. Obviously if it were a TRP sub his post would be pointless, since everyone knows that and moved past it already, but blue pillers constantly deny that dating is massively lopsided against men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 07:59 AM
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He's requesting actionable suggestions that produce the same results. Hence, "viable alternative".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 07:56 AM
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he'll require you to approach him first since he's so afraid you'll falsely accuse him Already not the average man since men rarely ever get approached. Also it's biased to count that as a downside. Most women require you to approach them, yet you're not here saying it makes them insufferable.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 07:55 AM
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To be fair a NEET who hates their life is technically winning over a worker who hates their life since the NEET is putting less effort into the failings.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 07:51 AM
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Not really. Those two subjects don't have any relation. Mind you I fully endorse slut shaming people who make fun of virgins, incels, etc. I just think judgment standards should remain within the realm of contextual relevance.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 07:49 AM
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Well dudes want to have sex. You can express that without defending criminals or shaming victims. I encourage youths who feel victimized to report it and endorse full legal penalties for adults chargrd with sexually abusing minors. Doesn't change what I want to happen to me though.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 07:45 AM
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Men typically cannot access the same levels of personal support from non-romantic partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 07:37 AM
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Cultural circumstances change. My parents met back when any random blue collar dude could buy a house in his late 20s, and support a stay-at-home mom.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 07:32 AM
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Nevertheless there remains disagreement over what causes the undesirability. A lot of people assert it's over a "toxic personality" or something when that's typically BS.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 07:31 AM
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Why would you want to be friends and community with people who unanimously decided you don't get to ever have relationships? It's one thing to be willfully single but another to be forced to be single. If I'm the latter then other people can kinda fuck off in general at that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 07:27 AM
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Boring broke women generally do not date boring broke men, they have access to more desirable men and failing that often just stay single.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 07:23 AM
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But for (basically) every character type there are many others out there who match that well. The people with one character type can greatly outnumber the people who match it. So you don’t have to believe in soul mates or what ever to come to the conclusion that almost no one is so special or so boring that there is no one else who’s so special or so boring. A lot of boring people refuse to date equally boring people, since they have interesting options instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 07:11 AM
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The negative beliefs were formed after they found out they were perpetually undesirable. People aren't gonna be happy once they learn that. It has nothing to do with why they were undesirable to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 07:08 AM
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Bad attitude has nothing to do with it lol, plenty of dudes dating with bad attitudes as long as they don't have the other issues on that list.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 07:07 AM
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I don't think "undatable" is the right word. Since people date dudes like this: But, as a man, if you also have boring personality and no sense of humor, you don't have positive masculinity, you have certain mental issue, you struggle with money, you don't have many friends or hobbies, etc. All the time. It's just only when the dude is physically attractive lol. More accurately some people are undesirable, and thus not wanted for dating, even though dating them is technically fine. "Undatable" i…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 07:03 AM
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Things like autism are immutable and some forms make it impossible for one to fulfill the social script generally required of straight men in dating. The individual would be datable if that lacking was overlooked, but it generally doesn't happen unless they're highly physically attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 06:58 AM
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Flat earth has overwhelming amounts of contradictory studies. Red pill has basically none. The most blue pillers have managed is, "this study doesn't mean what you think it does / is outdated / is cherrypicked / comes from a biased source" but they still generally fail to produce contradictory studies regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 04:20 AM
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And if thats true wouldnt we expect that after a few generations there would be fewer objectively undesirable men ( atleast in things like height ) than there are now ? The problem persists regardless because nothing prevents short (or otherwise unfavored) women from reproducing in either system. Their genes will perpetuate the traits. So it just is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 12:46 PM
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It doesn't really work in this specific context. In the past being rich made you god, you got the best possible treatment accessible to men back then. In the present being rich just makes you rich; you're still not higher status in dating than Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 04:56 AM
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You’re comparing being a decent match back then to a “Chad” now. Because being a decent match back then was the ideal being aspired to. Men just want the woman they're with to treat them like the best. If the best is being nice provider husband, as was the case back then, then that's fine. But modern social dynamics flipped the ideal treatment to something unobtainable for many men. It causes complications. Naturally charismatic and extremely attractive people were rare back then too. Yeah, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 04:38 AM
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Dudes do not just have 0 standards in this regard lol. Literally more validating to bang an unattractive normal woman than an attractive prostitute. If I can pay to sleep with someone it's not gonna feel all that much better just because she gives me a discount.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 03:28 AM
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Nonsensical. Everything TRP claims is based on relationship and dating app statistics and the conclusions of psychological and mating studies. I.e. actual real observable data. Unlike the religious, blue pillers, or MAGA.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 02:28 AM
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It’s naive to think getting rich was easier in the past. Social mobility is a fairly recent development, and for most people, discrimination and class barriers severely limited their chances. I'm not saying it was "easy". Just that it's "easier" than becoming the guy who gets a bunch of matches on hookup apps. Can potentially happen with a low chance and solid effort > potentially cannot happen. Try courting a woman if her parents think of you as a lesser being due to your skin, background or re…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 02:14 AM
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There are many men that can pass the looks threshold (even if just barely), but those morons will still talk themselves out of getting laid. But they're not doing that via "bad personality" they're doing that via being socially awkward, neurodivergent, and autistic. Bad at communication ≠ bad person. Morals have no actual effect on the initial dating stages. Asserting otherwise is where blue pillers lose people.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 02:07 AM
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Yes, but: Just working harder and earning more money was theoretically easier than meeting the modern requirements for ideal treatment, which are potentially intrinsic and inaccessible. The parents would be the target of resentment instead of the woman herself, at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 02:00 AM
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Half of us manosphereans probably aren't white, statistically non-white men have it rougher on dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 01:40 AM
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Sluts maybe but most of us don't want to bang actual porn stars. That's like saying we're jealous about not being able to fuck prostitutes; there's no actual validation to doing that, so no we don't particularly want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 01:38 AM
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In the past: Every man had to work hard for women. Now: Some men get swift casual sex while some are still expected to wine and dine and entertain over a period of courtship. Men don't resent work but they do resent being treated worse than other men. As long as so many women operate this way they shouldn't expect men to not be toxic in kind.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/26 01:35 AM
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Not remotely a minority, most women are not either hot or low standarded.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 06:23 PM
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Blue pill is basically religion.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 12:44 PM
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That's literally the point of asking "then why would anyone follow that script". He's basically asking why anyone would say that, absent any perceivable difference in results. You're too hung up on the wording. Dude is not literally looking for a script.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 11:05 AM
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They're criticizing her impotent ultimatum. The complete lack of incentive for anyone to comply, since whether or not someone says that is irrelevant to the outcome. I could post a picture of some random Insta baddie/OF girl and say "look like this or nothing", but the answer is universally gonna be "okay, nothing then 🤷‍♂️", so what would be the point of me posting some clown ass shit like that? Likewise no guy she's actually attracted to is gonna bother doing any of that stuff, so she's either…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 10:56 AM
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Bro did not just post this and then defend the woman. She's not giving advice, she's making demands of dudes she already finds attractive, and they have zero incentive to comply. It's literally a waste of text. Also if a line fails then there's no basis to suggest that the line is good. She's provided no reasoning as to why any dude should say that shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 10:42 AM
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There are no consequences if you're hot or have low standards. But neither applies to most women. Alex Honnold being able to climb buildings doesn't mean everyone else should go copying him. Trump can get away with fraud but you probably can't. Different rules for different people.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 08:55 AM
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If you're not there's a high chance they eventually lose attraction, become naggy, and divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 08:53 AM
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More and more women are becoming open about AF/BB (just not by those terms though). A lot of rhetoric about guys not getting bitter, and confidently "waiting their turn". As if anyone would want to date someone who had them "wait their turn" instead of wanting them right away.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 08:51 AM
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They're not picky about toxicity lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 03:42 PM
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A man who dates women younger than him is perfectly fine (as long as it's not creepy like a 10 year difference) lol That's only creepy if the younger one is below their 20s or something, and the older one intentionally sought that out.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 02:22 PM
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Seriously, women don't get that they are basically celebrities to beta males.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 09:14 AM
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Those women were probably going to have sex with you anyway. Highly doubtful in a lot of cases, like OP I've had basically no luck in scenarios where I hadn't either distingiushed myself from others reputationally or displayed a skill. Your clause works for actually attractive guys but not "short and average looking" guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 04:57 AM
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Maybe dudes want to date non-shallow women and are highly disppointed upon finding out the women were shallow enough to hookup before.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 01:08 PM
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I didn't say he was red pill, the manosphere is more than red pillers lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 11:08 AM
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Well I don't think it's a particularly ambigious subject, he literally popularized the phrase, "your body, my choice".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 06:46 AM
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Convenient.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 06:44 AM
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Well yeah but you have high stats. I'm referring to the experience for dudes with average/low stats.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 04:58 AM
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If looks are subjective why did everyone in another thread recently laugh at the notion of India having the hottest men? Surely it's as valid an opinion to have as thinking Scandinavia has the hottest men. If looks are subjective.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 04:04 AM
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I told him my real height and he cancelled. Brutal.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 03:59 AM
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It was for men. Though more the 2000s, the 2010s went south fast.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 03:55 AM
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If a woman needs a dating event then she's probably picky.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 12:17 AM
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Women are generally shorter than men. Already went over this shit, a woman dating a taller man by coincidence is not hypergamy, it's the specific requirement of, "my guy has to be taller than me" that's hypergamy. Unless men go around thinking, "my girl's gotta have bigger breasts than me" the analogy is junk. Men are not comparing their chest sizes to women's. If there's no comparison then there's no hypergamy. Even morbidly obese men aren't sporting DDs Nor are all attractive women. and even i…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 08:15 PM
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Regardless it clearly doesn't interfere with their dating preferences. The obsession with tallness in dating is only widespread among straight women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 08:05 PM
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They want women with bigger breasts than them. Men don't generally have female breasts at all. This is like saying women are hypergamous for wanting men with bigger Ds than them, which would be asinine; things exclusive to one gender do not count, as there is literally nothing to compare between the two. Even we do count them, the statement is still false. An obese man is still going to be equally attracted to a standard hot woman as a non-obese man is, even though the obese man technically has …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 06:40 PM
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Because men's physical preferences aren't based on a personal comparison. Men just want hot women. They don't care if the woman isn't as hot as them. A hot dude's and an ugly dude's attraction to a mid woman will be the same. How the guy himself looks doesn't factor in at all. Unlike how a 5'3 woman is significantly more likely to want a 5'8 man than a similarly 5'8 woman is.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 06:29 PM
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Wanting a partner who spends more money than you is.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 05:49 PM
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If women still disproportionately care about partner earnings and spending that's still hypergamous, doesn't matter if it's less so.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 05:34 PM
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Since men largely don't give a damn we can safely conclude that it's women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 05:21 PM
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Hypergamy (colloquially referred to as "dating up" or "marrying up"\1])) is a term used in social science for the act or practice of a person dating or marrying a spouse of higher mating value than themselves. It says it's about mating value in general, not just finances. But women generally prefer their men earn equal or more, and spend more on dates initially, so even by that metric hypergamy isn't disproven.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 05:01 PM
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My favorite is when they pivot to just basic sexual dimorphism, which is in OP too. Like yeah women usually date men taller than them… coincidentally, most men are taller than most women! Dudes are referring to the specific preference of "he must be taller than me", not just women coincidentally dating taller men but not actually caring about height.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 04:55 PM
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Maybe but in that case he'd have even less reason to be insecure about his height, since other gay dudes won't care lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 03:28 PM
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Or, get this: Men care about looks and personality. And not this "their level" status-mongering crap.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 12:47 PM
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It's not about the Nazi. Body insults apply to everyone who shares the same traits. Hence why we don't go around being racist to bad people of other races, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 04:52 AM
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Thing is if Nick Fuentes specifically was insecure about his height, why would he willingly take a picture with a bunch of ~6'3 dudes to begin with? The assumption makes no sense in this case. One only reaches this conclusion here if they themselves have already attached negative connotations to being short.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 04:45 AM
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Man blames the recent ICE murders on incels: https://np.reddit.com/r/ProgressiveHQ/comments/1qmk5j5/comment/o1mhs81/ 69 upvotes. Peak brainlets.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/26 12:33 AM
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Any group of people can have assholes. I'm not saying the whole manosphere is assholes, just those specific dudes. Assholes often do well with financially and sexually, so I'm not necessarily saying they're wrong to be assholes, but it still is what it is. Contrary to some red pillers here who are decent men of culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 11:56 PM
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Bro that's after you accused me of being a fan of a Nazi fascist.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 10:54 PM
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You tried to slander me for opposing misandristic statements lol. Y'all will never beat the allegations that you dish it out but can't back it up or take it. Poor widdle boys. I don't insult anyone on comment on personal features unless they do it first or I get downvoted. Very civil.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 10:46 PM
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Bro we just went over an example, though it can't be discussed here. You will never beat the allegations.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 10:37 PM
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So basically they're not real, unlike all the volunteer white knights here.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 10:35 PM
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Meanwhile they'll call you misogynistic over anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 10:28 PM
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Yes they are. 🤣🤣🤣 All the time. The pic is a bunch of dudes online conservatives love. The proof is this conversation. How can a conversation between a few random people who don't know the guy prove that he's insecure about his height? The insults worked. The point of insults is presumably to work on the target. If your insults do not piss off the target, but instead random people who already didn't like or agree with the guy you insulted, but now also hate you too, that's a failed insult. There…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 07:19 PM
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Except they do care. That’s where a lot of the anger and the insecurity comes from. But the other dudes in the pic are just as angry and insecure and some of them look fine. There is literally no way to tell why someone is an angry insecure asshole. Assuming it's because of X is bestowing negative connotations upon X.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 07:09 PM
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No, it proves that mocking someone's shortness hits the insecurities they were trying for. If the dude cared at all about this why would he even take a pic with half a dozen dudes a head taller than him? The presumption of insecurity makes no sense in this context. There's no proof. The only way to make this logical leap is if you have a default assumption that shortness is a bad thing and thus men are ashamed of it to begin with. The grifter probably knew these cretins would react this way, pis…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 07:02 PM
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How? Nick doesn't give a single fuck, otherwise he wouldn't have let himself get heightmogged to begin with. Stephen Miller didn't give a fuck. Mike Johnson doesn't give a fuck. These are rich influential dudes who do whatever regardless. All the liberals "hurt" is random short guys without money or power who see that even when every dude in a particular group is a piece of shit fascist, liberals will still hypocritically hate on the one who doesn't fit conventional beauty/masculinity standards …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 06:57 PM
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Well yeah but Nick gets even more gay jokes lol (perhaps understandable since he's the only virgin in the pic, but still). But still they didn't get bodyshamed, only the short guy did. Because libs hate short guys just like everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 06:53 PM
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Then that proves there's a bias against shortness that doesn't exist against tallness. A lot of the people in those comments said Nick's vileness made it "not surprising" that he's short. As if being short has something to do with negative personality traits. But when most of the villains in the pic are tall guys, why was there no similar assumption tallness gave them big egos or something? Because simply liberals are superficial shallow fucks just like conservatives. There's no higher ground.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 06:51 PM
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Obviously, because they are not those things. I'm saying they insulted the short guy for being short but not the tall guys for being tall.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 06:31 PM
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As a man I would date the female version of myself. If I was a woman then I'd have the same obnoxious hypergamy standards women do, there's no reason to assume otherwise, so I guess not.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 06:10 PM
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Morals are propaganda. People tell you not to do X but let then do it themselves and let those they favor also do so. Look at all the sex pest politicians and religious figures. All the people calling you porn-brained while having frequent casual sex themselves. Constant hypocrisy meant to isolate you in boredom while they do whatever they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 03:41 PM
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In the recent photo of Nick Fuentes and all the other manosphere assholes (Tate, Myron, Clavicular, Sneako, etc.) only Fuentes got mocked for his height. Most of the vile pieces of shit in the picture are tall. If you wanted to make an observation about looks but were unbiased about it, you'd conclude that tall guys were more likely to be scum. But instead, the "tolerant" liberals only said things like, "not surprised Nick's short", "I hate overcompensating short men", etc. Again, picture full o…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 03:32 PM
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In that generation, it is assumed that the woman works AND does the majority of household chores and childcare - this is the main thing that I do feel like is changing. A lot of men back then wanted their wives to stay at home, and pre-2008 recession it was economically feasible for that to be the case. Gender roles were way more enforced (constant messaging of this gender is x, that gender is y, this gender should do x, that gender should do y) and it was less socially acceptable to stray from …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 03:26 PM
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I get that there was massive domestic reform in the 90s but the 2000s can't have been that bad compared to now.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 02:58 PM
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Is this stuff that somehow doesn't happen now?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 02:50 PM
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When are the retarded blue pillers gonna understand that you're not supposed to downvote here? Can't follow rules but thinks they have credible opinions. Walking L bums.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 02:49 PM
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That was a long time ago (abortion issues aside), we had a whole period from the 80s to 2000s where relatively few people were getting screwed over.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 02:45 PM
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I thought the stats showed more women would refuse to date "conservatives" (MAGAzians) then those who lean politically left? If they publicly identify as MAGA yes. Stats also show that beyond people literally loudly announcing their politics, conservatives are more reproductively successful than liberals. What is it the right does for young men? My claim is that the left hurts young men. There is no promotion of the right. And the macho culture actually promotes and rewards the CHADs and their m…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 02:37 PM
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In the actual context of dating is constantly women telling complaining men that they're not entitled to various things, rather than the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 01:54 PM
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I speak about the present day, I used present tense terms, do not give a single shit about stuff from 70+ years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 01:07 PM
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TRP will tell you : don't be nice with the assumption that she´ll be nice in return, that's a covert contract" but on the other hand they encourage women to submit to men and neglect their careers and basically do almost all of the housework with the assumption that the man will step up and be a good leader. But isn't this a covert contract Men are more likely to respect covert contracts. We're not the ones constantly telling women they're not entitled to things.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 12:15 PM
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No, there is no different result expected there, the point is to be mad and annoy unsympathetic people.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 12:12 PM
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Yet people are so cruel to some of their peers. 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 12:10 PM
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Plenty of incapable people also get them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 09:19 AM
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Insanity is trying the same thing over and over expecting different results, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 09:17 AM
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"But some guys get laid and dont have to do all of that.” Women don't have to either (whether they do or don't). So add women and attractive men, and most people don't have to do it. Sucks for any neurodivergent person if they were also born into the unlucky minority that has to do this stuff (and is unlikely to succeed even if they try). Sure would be great if the genders were actually equal and assertive people approached and passive people got approached, instead of being forced into roles th…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/26 09:13 AM
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For men it's better than being seen as only relationship material. Personally I'm more into younger guys so younger age So the hookup guy can fill his list of requirements earlier than the relationship guy can filll their list. Men prefer quickness. Has good morala Is a good person Is polite So the the relationship guy isn't allowed to do as much. Men prefer freedom. Has a career Has a good education So the relationship guy has to put in more effort and throw money around. Men prefer simplicity.…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 09:32 AM
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His only mistake was getting found out, since as stated he managed to spark initial attraction, which a lot of guys can't do.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 04:16 AM
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They do every time a guy tells them to stop mocking short guys and virgins.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 04:03 AM
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Yes, because as we've constantly said Western liberal feminist culture and social conditioning hurts the dating environment and confuses/dulls men. 1st world men sure do beat and rape less often than 3rd world men do though, on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 03:59 AM
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No thought goes into birth, not remotely similar.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 03:57 AM
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I've said that one of my criteria for choosing a man is that he doesn't insult me too much. A guy once reacted with, "Why can't you just choose someone who wouldn't insult you at all?" And the answer is, those men basically don't exist. They all do it. False. You need thick skin if you want to talk to a man; you have to be able to tolerate some insults and figure out whether he's doing it maliciously or just "being a man." Talk to less masculine men. (you won't) Then there's the topic of sexual …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 03:56 AM
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Meanwhile, there's an active thread on AskFeminists arguing against the concept of pointing out how not all men are violent, with mass downvotes for any dissenters: https://np.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/1qlvegn/how_to_argue_that_mens_violence_against_women/ Take all the blame for shit you didn't do that you don't benefit from, get none of the credit or rewards for anything those other guys did.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 10:57 PM
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At the end of the day this guy has a female equivalent who nevertheless still refuses to date him (no way he swiped left on them if he's at 2 mil swipes), so no, the bar is not in hell. If the bar was just at the right spot, not even in hell, then you'd easily get a date with your female equivalent.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 08:42 PM
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Their fat is the problem, it indicates laziness and gluttony before a single word is said. No point gaslighting about hidden toxic traits that you have no proof of.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 08:39 PM
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The type of women off of Tinder generally won't forgive the ass on my face shirt though.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 08:34 PM
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and dying during birth. Couldn't they just not have sex? The lonely men aren't having sex. So a woman afraid of this outcome doesn't have to either.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 09:29 AM
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For the love of... Context, obviously if the rest of the post relates to domestic dangers I'm gonna assume those are the lines being spoken along. Random rape has fuck-all to do with mating so there's no point in bringing it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 07:29 AM
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Get outta here with that nonsense, I said mating and you bring up domestic violence stats when that's something that only occurs after mating is already done, after the woman already picked whichever asshole man it is this month. Obviously that's not what I'm fucking referring to.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 07:15 AM
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And OP's thread is thus debunked.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 01:14 AM
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Rather than admit that, they pretend all want felons and had a bunch of hookups. One is enough, and you have said elsewhere that most women try hookups at least once. So therefore, unless hypergamy is real, most men should be getting to have at least one hookup too. A guy wanting one hookup is not "focusing on a small percentage of the population" at all by your own logic. He wants one of the many (by your own admission) women who are going to try it or already have.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 01:12 AM
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Every time a blue piller's brain is too small for civil discussion they resort to personal attacks. Nobody has to change their flair just because they disagree with you on which personality traits are attractive. There are countless dudes with tons of friends who still get no ass. Just talking to people platonically is not sufficient for pulling women. Shut the fuck up. 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 10:46 PM
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That remark helps my point. Being "tactful socially" has nothing to do with sexually arousing women. Men get told to be "tactful socially" and master kind consideration yet still get flat 0 women, then wonder why they were lied to about what traits to focus on.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 10:34 PM
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If men were so driven to be "providers" and "find wives" then they wouldn't be complaining about paying for dates and so obsessed with "getting casual sex for free" and how quickly women fuck him Nobody wants to be married to someone who treats them worse than hookups. When men were in control they didn't culturally forbid marriage, they culturally forbid hookups. Because hookups were the undesirable activity and causing the problem. Men will wait a decade if every other man did but if you're ba…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 10:29 PM
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Liberal values screwed over male mating prospects and they constantly deny sympathy for the consequences of their reforms. They're not getting young men back until something changes there.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 10:13 PM
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Suicide & becoming a social pariah sounds a lot harder than adapting to the changing environment around mating. The requirements for superficial charm and looks are rising, it's becoming increasingly unacceptable to approach in real life but it's impossible to stand out on dating apps, and most of the behavioral advice men get during their formative is liable to make them less sexually desirable instead of more.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 10:03 PM
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I'd say the prime biological drive is to eat and to shit. He means the drive to do more than rot inside all day. If sex is the prime drive, I don't see what "opting out of society" does to get there He's saying a lot of guys have no clear path to get there regardless. This idea that men have always had access to a wife and family is a rewriting of history, by the way. Didn't we just have a post about science proving only half of men have been able to pass on their genes, historically? That'a gen…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 09:52 PM
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but they wouldn't date every single woman they sleep with. that's the distinction. And it's a trivial one, since who gives a fuck about a random hookup partner. Life partners should be treated better than random hookup partners. If a hookup woman doesn't like how a hookup man treated her well she never has to see him again. Fuck him. If a husband doesn't like how his wife treats him he's still stuck with her or her alimony for life. you think women value that men would fuck them as if it's the s…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 09:35 PM
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It's bad if she wouldn't have been willing to just sleep with the average guy too. Men generally would've been willing to just sleep with every single woman they ever date, so their marriage partner is not being settled for in that regard. Also men are not Stacy only in either context to begin with. I said nothing about only exploring with Stacy or only dating Stacy. You added a whole discriminatory distinction, so of course that changes the dynamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 07:40 PM
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We really got women in here saying, "that's only if she's young" or "that's only for casual sex". Those are literally all that matters at first, who so GAF about other scenarios. A dude just starting out in dating wants to explore, not immediately hop to boring old people relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 04:23 PM
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It's all that mattered for getting laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 04:20 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 04:17 PM
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But legal abortion tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 12:43 PM
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The bar for casual sex for men is also damn near subterranean. Men in pre modern terms would romance their farm animals for Christ sake, not a particularly shining endorsement. True, but it is what it is. I don't have any issue with the type of "settling" where I was only Mr. Right Now and she went home with me out of desperation rather than overwhelming desire. That's called "getting lucky" and dudes love it when it happens to them. Obviously you're unlikely to be the most desirable guy a woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 11:27 AM
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Honest accurate post until the end.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 11:14 AM
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It's sure not settling in the specific relevant context being referred to, though. Virtually no man is dating a woman that he wouldn't have been willing to have casual sex with instead. Unless he just doesn't believe in casual sex at all. Meanwhile PLENTY of women who've had casual sex are dating guys who wouldn't have made the cut for it. That's the type of "settling" men are complaining about, and it's not a type that men do very often at all. No projection.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 11:09 AM
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Higher count men are more likely to cheat according to studies, so there's no way to prove that part.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 10:58 AM
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Women who did it should go with men who did it and people who didn't do it should also align.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 10:55 AM
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Believing life begins at conception or some other point during pregnancy is not misogynistic. Ya'll going too far with the term is why people "deny misogyny".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 12:31 AM
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7 inches is above average and often described as an ideal functional length. Bigger may be more visually attractive but not necessarily the best for actual sexual acts.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 02:40 PM
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If the trans man physically and vocally passes for male then the women rejecting him have no idea that he's trans yet, and therefore that's not the cause of the difficulty spike. You have a point if the trans man is losing interest from women in the dating phase after having revealed he was born a woman/doesn't have a D/etc., but if he's not even getting to the point where he can share that information then no it's not the source of the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 11:29 PM
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Just saw another thread where a trans man complains about how much harder it is to get with women after transitioning. It's wild how people deny this is a thing. We really have blues/purples here saying, "lesbians just know other women better than straight men do, that's why they do better, straight men need to level up." 🤓 No, they're just held to lower standards, women trust other women more than they trust men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 11:23 PM
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Don't agree, there are additional negatives to doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 11:33 AM
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As in the means of pulling it off are not logistically plausible for me given my personal stats and abilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 08:13 AM
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I literally can't hookup, there's never going to be anything dirty in my sexual history lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 08:10 AM
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If I can literally objectively verify a clean history and mindset there's no reason not to.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 08:07 AM
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The simple truth is that we're constantly battling negative suspicions regardless. So many men are paranoid about their partners potentially cheating or trying to "upgrade". Theoretically, knowing the truth would lessen all the false accusations out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 06:41 AM
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Vapid "no u" energy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 06:37 AM
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Some of the men here would not be able to handle knowing their virgin girlfriend who slept with them within the first three dates has a celebrity crush. Unlike some people most men don't care about imaginary shit with no real life implications.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 06:00 AM
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You have zero experience attracting straight women as a straight man. It's a completely different thing compared to whatever you do instead. Like the other guy said, if you've been healthily fed your whole life then you have no experience battling starvation.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 05:25 AM
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But men would not be attempting to be emotionally available and mature, failing to attract anyone anyway, and lashing out at women for misrepresenting their preferences. Nor would people be telling those guys they're alone because of their "toxic personalities", when in reality they're alone for lacking looks, social skills, and/or assertive masculinity. The whole "bitter nice guy" element is removed.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 05:19 AM
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OP's point is that this form of complaining is simply making matters worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 05:14 AM
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I already have enough red pill knowledge. Idle knowledge isn't all that great, you still need to the ability to functionally apply it. Being able to see all sexual history would give me immense social leverage and let me know almost exactly how to approach, what traits to emphasize, who's down for casual, who's worth committing to, what their standards are, etc. It completely clobbers the other ability. Pretty sure either of these abilities becoming ubiquitous would result in the end of society …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 05:11 AM
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A girl I wasn't messing with showed up at my house once. Literally just a coworker and not someone I'd ever spoken to at length.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 04:59 AM
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Well it'd be fine if their partners also never had it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 04:56 AM
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That's great for ya'll, though the behavior wouldn't have been "naive" with the right decent honest man so it's understandable if he still seeks it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 04:55 AM
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But why not be Patrick Bateman? He gets laid. There are other consequences to being like him, but they're not relevant to the basic act of finding partners, which is all some dudes are focused on. The reality is that you have to get your foot in the door before dealing with what's inside the building. A dude struggling to take the first step isn't well-served with premature worrying that he might become like Bateman.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 04:46 AM
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Yeah status kinda blows on dating apps since if you were so high status you wouldn't need a dating app, just being there is massive reduction to one's aura.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 04:42 AM
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Those guys seriously date 9-10s but they hookup with/have situationships with less attractive women. That's the root of the modern pairing issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 04:40 AM
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There is literally nothing true in it. The red pill is already the midway point between the blue pill and the black pill, both equally failed reductive extremist perceptions of reality. There's no need for further moderation.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 04:36 AM
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Nope. Just like with most long-lasting cultural debates, an endless debate can only be “endless” if the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Golden mean fallacy. We know this isn't true because the biggest cultural debate of all time, religion, most definitely doesn't have an answer in the middle: One group is absolutely correct while the other is absolutely wrong. There is no room for compromise there, gods and the afterlife either exist or they don't. So no, something being endlessly debated do…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 04:31 AM
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Incels are passive men. You really think they’re less likely to do harm? Outside of the tiny fraction that attempts mass murder, yes? The average one literally just says dumb shit on the internet. People have to learn the difference between annoyance and danger.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 11:47 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_intercourse Sex, more formally known as sexual intercourse, coitus, or copulation, is an intimate social activity typically involving the insertion of the erect male penis inside the female vagina and followed by thrusting motions for erotic pleasure, biological reproduction, or both.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 02:54 PM
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One gender is responsible for the majority of crime, and overwhelmingly so when it's violent crimes. But most men don't do it... One gender is known to more likely externalize their problems. The study only examines specific forms of externalization. Feminists blame patriarchy all the time and wonen constantly blame men in dating but since these aren't viewed as "antisocial" behaviors they're not counted. Also the study counts drug use as externalization, for some reason; it's not using the term…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 01:08 PM
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I'm not allowed to bring up the full context in this thread but from what the guy said about his circumstances I'm pretty sure anyone purple pill and up is attached enough to reality to know he's having a genuinely hard time and not just causing all his own failures.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 11:57 AM
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One's an asshole if they do asshole things and I have enough data from the excerpt to determine that he did an asshole thing; I'm not gonna provide bait to the blue pillers here by going apologist for a blatant jackass.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 11:53 AM
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A perpetually alone guy who asked Reddit to help him from diving into a toxic hateful mindset got 165+ downvotes just for saying, in response to a highly upvoted claim that his standards might be too high: "I have literally 0 standards. Not a single woman has ever shown interest in me." Just correcting an inaccurate assumption and telling the truth about your misfortunes gets you downvoted on the bitch ass blue pill subs. Fuck those delusional pieces of shit. Do they really think that sort of re…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 11:40 AM
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Statistically some are and some aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 10:51 AM
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https://np.reddit.com/r/TwoHotTakes/comments/1qjlryc/my_husband_was_upset_and_pinched_me_at_dinner_and/ Man pinches wife, tells her it was to get her to shut up, blames her for her reaction enlightening spectators as to what happened, doesn't apologize. Wife tries to fix it by hugging him, asking what she did wrong, and saying sorry. This is the experience asshole men get, while kind socially conscious men rot alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 10:46 AM
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Some women, like the thread OP, are genuinely against it. But some instead only complain about the gender roles that inconvenience them, while actively perpetuating the rest.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 08:34 AM
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The simple fact is that nobody gives a fuck what women consider a - if it's presence or absence doesn't actually change who gets to date. Chads and fuckbois are still getting laid despite misogyny. Every virgin on this forum would still be a virgin even if they were all running feminist blogs. Since it changes nothing for 99% of the audience men do not care to hear about this issue. Women weigh a man's level of misogyny more heavily in the intermediate and late phases of dating. But by then the …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 08:27 AM
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Unnecessary because there is no woman who can't get laid. As the dude mentioned the chromosome change is required.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 08:20 AM
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Know yourself, dont put up a fake front, dont hate women or yourself, show some care and kindness...you will get dates. Dude, you just mentioned that a lot of the women you spoke to mentioned having terrible toxic boyfriends. So if some assholes are dating, it logically follows that some non-assholes are NOT dating. So this advice clearly isn't sufficient for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 08:18 AM
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Then how are there still non-radical men who can't get laid?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 08:15 AM
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In your case you're justified in being annoyed, you've earned equal relationships, but with the common woman there's an unspoken contract in place that a guy to bring X things to the table, and naturally he's gonna expect Y things back.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 08:08 AM
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If leadership is irrelevant in 2026 you might want to inform all the women that still require men to approach them, plan dates, pay, and escalate sexually. Since even if you don't need a leader if you're taking 0% of the initiative relative to the other person's 100% you're still basically being led. And if protection is irrelevant in 2026 you might want to inform all the women that still want big strong tall men. Can't exclusively select for protection-related traits but then go, "well actually…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 07:53 AM
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A disgusting violent incel doesn't believe you as a woman warrant a constructive response, so there's literally no point asking them. While a disgusting violent fuckboi is gonna tell you to get in the kitchen because you love the D. The rest of us are just gonna stress that there's a lot of effort women disproportionately request from men too, and that if compromises are going to be made on this then they shouldn't only benefit one gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 07:43 AM
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Gender roles do not say, "woman does everything." There are plenty of things gender roles expect only men to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 07:38 AM
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Now when I point out, "Plenty of autistic males have empathy, autists actually statistically rate higher in empathy than neurotypical people on average, yet even the autistic dudes with empathy are still treated worse..." OP will respond with, "Having empathy doesn't entitle you to anything!!!" Trying to make me look entitled and completely deflecting from the main point that her original assessment was inaccurate. Threads on repeat. 2026, same as 2025.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 12:50 AM
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Being considered a hookup guy is respect to us. Men and women view respect differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 05:41 AM
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I'm not seeing the issue. Men and women are different and value different things. That I cannot even perceive what the alleged problem is with the scenario your presented is a testament to that. We know for a fact that most men on dating apps aren't considered fuckable, so being part of the group that happens to be is a high privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 05:38 AM
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Only being seen as good enough for sex would mean there's no drama whatsoever to your hookups. Nobody wants relationship begging.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 05:34 AM
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If you're only looking for casual sex then the women not wanting a relationship is a bonus.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 05:33 AM
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Imagination is irrelevant. They could be choosing you because the others didn't choose them. Lots of people here cannot possibly be whores.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 03:49 AM
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If kiss counts are a red flag but not n-counts that kinda implies the former is big lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 03:47 AM
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Watched a skit featuring a woman begging her situationship to go exclusive: https://www.tiktok.com/@lo3tus/video/7596423124816563487 Expected everyone to laugh at how needy she is. Instead most of the comments are women admitting they've acted like this in real life. Generation is cooked.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 04:40 PM
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He will win by default then get booted on his ass in 2032 because he sucks and stands for nothing, same as how it went down with Biden. 1 step forward 10 steps back with this country.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 02:43 PM
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So apparently 2028 savior Gavin Newsom was just on Ben Shapiro's podcast saying Israel didn't commit genocide and ICE isn't acting terroristic. Look if ya'll want young men to start voting Dem. again it can't be for pussies like this. The left needs balls. All Newsom brings to the table is "Trump bad", he stands for no ideals on his own.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 02:38 PM
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I predict men just won't argue with each other though. they'll say all men are wonderful or something and men won't pull each other up on this. I am biased because men here gang up on women even if they also disagree with whatever the man said anyway, which obviously leads to all these annoying NOT ALL arguments we have to apparently do into eternity forever. Utterly delusional take, men argue here every day of the week. good fucking luck finding women arguing here more than once a week.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 12:22 PM
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The reverse is what people tell men who complain about women, though...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 09:14 AM
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Those are literally ones more likely to get casual sex, statistically.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 08:55 AM
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It's because women only like casual sex with a select group of men. Of course a dude is gonna feel burned if women are out here sleeping with a bunch of other guys early and easily but still want him to court and commit to them first.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 08:55 AM
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Damn Trump had a nice guy moment, he's saying he will no longer think purely of peace since they refused to award him the Nobel Peace Prize. Can't blame the rest of us if even the president thinks this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 08:40 AM
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I'm not allowed to mention the actual reason here.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 08:38 AM
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The vulnerability explanation is acceptable if that's how she's always operated.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 05:33 AM
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For every claim that something bad could happen to a woman to be a delusional revenge fantasy, that would have to mean nothing bad happens to women (thus, no challenges or difficulties).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 01:28 PM
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Apologies, I meant one can't do it if they don't want to sound like a dumb hypocrite, if they're not concerned with that then they can do whatever I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 12:51 PM
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Daily reminder for BP brainlets: You cannot simultaneously claim that every negative prediction about a woman's fortunes is a "revenge fantasy" but then also claim that women actually do face challenges in life. Either-or.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 12:13 PM
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Therapy and touching grass is not going to turn a passive person into the opposite. Dating excludes a lot of male personality types besides just "bad".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 05:32 AM
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Men's expectations from girlfriend: Nice person who has sex. Women's expectations from boyfriend:
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/26 05:30 AM
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So the filters are accurate, just toxic? If someone explictly allows disagreeability through their filter there should be no bitching when they end up with disagreeable relations.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 04:51 PM
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I'm not being expected to date the bozos giving Trump stuff, so it's easy to forget about.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 12:27 PM
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I'm concerned because I don't pay for what others get free. If you're my partner I get premium access, otherwise it's not working out.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 09:47 AM
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That seems like y'all problem. Not a problem with women. If men's unique preferences and emotional needs are a "problem" then so are women's. I don't care if my girlfriend is my bi. You probably care if your boyfriend is bi. I could easily say, "women sure have problems" about that but I won't because it's just common sense that it results from men and women having different expectations of their partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 09:22 AM
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People just shouldn't badger men about not wanting to date those women. Relationships with them make dudes feel like suckers.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 09:17 AM
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They think women are a monolith If women collectively find my base personality unfuckable then that's monolithic. There are guys who are treated the same way by every woman lol, for that to be possible women to some extent have to all be similar. This is the core of the problem and these guys arent even upfront about the fact they hate relationships. Or they just hate relationships where the woman made them wait despite sleeping with other guys faster beforehand. Men enforced virgin marriages ba…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 09:10 AM
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People accuse me of high standards but I just want to date extremely weird women like this: https://np.reddit.com/r/AmIOverreacting/comments/1qexkjj/aio_gf_assumes_my_dog_is_dead_when_i_say_im_sad/ She clearly just thinks so highly of him that she doesn't think he'd ever be sad unless a death occurred.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 04:18 AM
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—> Isn’t it true that women endure singleness better, because women have better social circles (and cats, according to some, lol) It's true that on average women experience better conditions while single than men. I was just arguing against the claim of a fundamental difference. Also, women don’t lash out in the way men do. The underlying sadness might be similar but the actions are what sets single men and women apart. Also true, but the dissatisfaction could be equal even if it's expressed dif…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 08:39 PM
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People say that women are happier single to make a point that they are not desperate for some man no matter what he is. And I'm saying that point is baseless, since the women who are extremely desperate for men just go get men, thus no longer being single. One cannot judge the total amount of desperate women vs. desperate men based solely on looking at single people.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 08:32 PM
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In this case people should just stop acting like something fundamentally different between men and women makes women better able to endure being alone. No, it's just that a woman who's utterly desperate for partnership is more likely to be able to get it than a man who is. So the desperate women leave the pool of data being examined at higher rates than the desperate men do. The latter group drags down the average happiness rates of single men, since they literally don't want to be single.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 08:18 PM
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Yeah I don't get how people flop here, single women are on average happier than single men because on average a higher percentage of single women are single by choice. Compare the ones who who explictly don't have the option to date for actual useful data.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 08:16 PM
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They could've instead had the foresight to tell that it wasn't for them before they did it. In women's case especially, since they're constantly discouraged from doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 08:12 PM
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Assuming it matters to them is an acknowledgement that the trait is seen negatively.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 08:09 PM
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Guys here and in the manosphere will claim “if a woman doesnt fuck you immediately, she doesnt desire you”. That only applies to women who fucked other guys immediately. If she's always been a more demisexual person, it's fine. They’ll complain about “women thinking they’re hot shit just because they can get men out of their league for sex”. Well, if her primary goal is sex too, why wouldn’t she think she’s hot shit? But you just said women didn't? Can't have it both ways. If the type of woman w…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 08:06 PM
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Dictionary definitions are not a fucking opinion. Please take a fresh look at the meanings of the specific words I'm using. Issue is literally not debatable.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 11:50 AM
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It's an objective fact that a passive individual is less likely to take action than an assertive individual, that is literally the distinction between the terms. People will argue over anything. 🤦‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 11:11 AM
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Good to see more women admit that feminism was a lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 06:52 AM
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What merit is there? If the critic doesn't do the thing then clearly it's not actually lazy to not do the thing, and the critic is just biased.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 06:48 AM
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The cost is the added risk I take on that you don't. Bears vs men drama aside, there is a significantly higher chance for me to get roughed up or killed than you and then there's the pregnancy thing. Thing is selecting only for assertive men technically increases the risk of these. Passive men by nature are less likely to take action, which includes bad action.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 06:31 AM
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If someone "tried hookups but didn't like them" maybe they're just dumb? Someone shouldn't be expected to put up with a careless partner if they don't want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 05:14 AM
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When we appreciate men for their accomplishments, it's because we try to not trap them like we're trap ourselves, we evaluate will rather than genetics, but men apparently prefer identifying with their bodies. Because: Not every man can accomplish anything. Accomplishment-based attraction is often less lustful than appearance-based attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 04:41 AM
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Do you think that somehow women sleeping with YOU aren’t damaged BECAUSE she chose you? To that specific guy, no. The problem is always other guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 03:49 AM
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Well no, it doesn't tend to get that deep. My mom does though. I've held her fully accountable for her mate choices. We're still cool tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 02:19 AM
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but you think they cant love men the way men love women Well, duh? Men can love weak, timid, incompetent women. The same does not apply in reverse. Men protect the vulnerable while women avoid them. and/or they went through the cock carousel, participate in dual mating strategy, will look for a betabuxx I'm actually not sure regarding the women I've spoken to in non-dating contexts. Definitely carousel participants but a lot of them never actually shifted to dual mating afterwards. They just mar…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 02:17 AM
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No, if the women assimilate into the groups without demanding change. Yes otherwise. Unfortunately women often get offended more easily and try to censor things. As a grown adult I don't want to have to scale back any vulgarity at the behest of women. Especially when I know a lot of women's personal lives are already pretty lewd, but they just don't want similar elements broadly displayed in media. Ex. Casual sex havers who nevertheless hate porn, or fanservice in video games and shows. Makes me…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 09:12 PM
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If being a red piller makes indicates I'm such a bad guy why do opposite gender folk I've socialized with beyond dating contexts think I'm fine? 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 08:32 PM
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But will place more assessments upon women's dating behaviors Because they're the main people arguing against TRP takes and misleading men. If they would stop that then they can go do whatever else.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 04:53 PM
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I dont understand how this is gendered because the biggest religion on Earth is based on a selfless man who cared for the needy and rejects, stood back up to the corrupt churches, and wanted forgiveness for the people who sentenced him to death. Pretty sure that dude wasn't LGBT friendly.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 04:48 PM
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so why do men complain about being in the friendzone then? Probably because those dudes want to be in a relationship at some point in their lives yet it never happens, despite people liking them enough for friendship. what you're saying implies that men put themselves into it by choice. Men simply realize they're in a friendzone either when: they develop affection for a friend that's unlikely to be reciprocated. they confess to a friend but the friends says they want to stay friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 08:59 AM
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As said women glorify the methods assholes employ while demonizing the methods gentlemen employ, hence the predicaments they end up in. Someone who is a friend has already put in the effort of building bonds and learning about the other person on a deeper before making any sort of move, the perception of them only being after sex is ridiculous, the attraction is clearly romantic. As long as women think the way they do on this issue dating is gonna continue to be poisonous.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 08:47 AM
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“Women do not merely encounter bad men. They actively pursue them.” ?—> IDK… most women don’t “pursue” isn’t that one of y’all’s gripes? More accurately women are much more likely to respond to how a jerk tends to approach (noticing your looks and presenting supericial charm) than to how a nice guy tends to approach (being friends and getting to know you).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 05:43 AM
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OP is clearly referring to relationship/situationship complaints.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 05:40 AM
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Do you think men aren't the same. Men pick mentally ill women and then call all women crazy or seek out women who aren't attracted to them and get rejected and blame all women. But not while deliberately ignoring good woman options. They just didn't have any better women available and settled.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 05:36 AM
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"Society" needs to reckon with its biases on that front before being taken seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 05:16 AM
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Assuming some trait is an insecurity without basis is still a roundabout declaration that the trait is negative, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 05:14 AM
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That is true but all my reasoning for anyting is intellectual. I do not get "icks" I logically deem someone icky.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 05:09 AM
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So who exactly gave a fuck about women's issues? They're called other women. If men did not care about women's issues then they could've easily just ignored feminism and never granted any additional considerations. Your take on history is revisionist. Men are literally the most entitled and least oppressed demographic in the history of the planet. The draft? Harsher prison sentences? Greater likelihood of being non-sexually physically assaulted? The least oppressed demographic in the history of …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 05:08 AM
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Only for some people.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 04:57 AM
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Like a woman announces on a first date that she has absolutely nothing going for her, not school, not work, nothing, doesn't intend to raise her own kids either or help whatsoever around the house, and the majority of men are going to think "yup, that's wife material right there." Doesn't matter if it's not a majority, someone will oblige, unlike for the male equivalent.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 04:46 AM
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Alternatively the people who demand additional sympathy for women can STFU, since they're not getting that either (and in fact their entitlement without reciprocity is only resulting in declining sympathy for women).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 04:44 AM
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Most people don't care about anyone's problems. Explain liberals then.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 04:43 AM
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I'm really hoping there's some sort of correction coming up because this is not remotely sustainable. We're circling the drain at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 12:18 PM
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That's naturally and logically true, but less and less people being able to meet the requirements doesn't change what they are. 15 years ago or basically any guy with game could live the Chad life. You only had to be like top 30%, which was achievable with reasonable effort. The ensuing social changes have shrunk the range depressingly small though.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 11:43 AM
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When guys try to go the beta route they still get shut down by feminists. There's no answer, and manosphere guys can't make it worse when it's already hit rock bottom.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/26 01:59 AM
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Whether you can or can't it's the only option, so it's not like you can just give up after some set period of time of failing. The "best" version of a passive obedient man is still that, so he remains fundamentally undesirable to women. He literally has to not be that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 10:49 PM
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Nah the combination of autistic and short basically nukes you out of dating as a straight male. If you're autistic you basically have to have nothing else wrong with you or else it's over. Austists largely can't even pull off TRP, so there's like no actionable advice for them. The kind feminist version of Elliot is still alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 09:48 PM
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Elliot was diagnosed autistic, potentially below average height, and mid by Isla Vista standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 09:40 PM
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I think this last paragraph gets into the weeds, but I don't buy society has pushed that at all...and to the degree it has...these men would not fit into even that box because they're not agreeable nor pleasant - thus the beastly aspect. Women don't feel safe with them. There are plenty of lonely agreeable men too though. So just not being disagreeable isn't sufficient advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 09:34 PM
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Well sometimes the only thing that's actually going to work is going psycho. There are plenty of super nice compliant submissive dudes who are only ever going to get play if they morph into someone less agreeable.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 09:33 PM
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Thing is we have proof that the dudes aren't lying or being pessimistic, there are plenty of them who have no choice of women. So I'm not sure what ya'll think the answer is. Guy has standards -> guy is now virginal at 30 -> ??? -> profit? Nothing was solved there.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 09:27 PM
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And sometimes the change requests are just unreasonable and failure to meet them is not a choice. Dating is massively, massively exclusionary towards passive-natured neurodivergent straight men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 09:14 PM
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Women, like men, enjoy being treated well and prefer people be nice to them. At very different rates.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 09:09 PM
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18 out of the 29 of the women who answered met someone online. Funny how it never happens to us "terminally online" Reddit men. TRP remains undefeated. Interesting how once we actually put mouths to words all the platitudes get proven bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 09:13 AM
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People do things they don't enjoy all the time. Personal choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 08:18 AM
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"Get off of OLD, nobody uses OLD." Yet most of the women who replied to that one thread used OLD? And the guys who met the threshold who responded also used OLD? Can someone explain this, or did the blue pillers lie to us again?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 07:44 AM
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Brilliant thread, very eye opening.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 07:37 AM
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Difference is a for a lot of us dudes the feminist wouldn't be able to say anything accurate back. Male privilege is real but not universal.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 07:36 AM
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IOIs are impossible to distinguish. Men are both tuned to be over-confident and bad at detecting social subtleties.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 07:08 AM
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There is nothing stopping a woman from becoming her boyfriend/husband's best lay.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 04:37 AM
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Good for them. Guys don't want to be in that position though.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 04:36 AM
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Well how much game can you show on dating apps? That's where easy women shifted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 11:53 PM
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Your entire point is a flop because it fails to consider that young women don't get into relationships with men they aren't sexually attracted to. So any functional advice has to consider sexual attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 08:39 PM
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or guys who were very flawed when they were younger That's the majority of the dudes in pill communities...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 03:23 PM
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Thing is Chad and women don't need those. Average and below men are arbitrarily held to higher standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 05:42 AM
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Well you said you asked him out, and most guys don't get asked out, let alone autistic guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 01:05 AM
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I think many men are not getting out of the anger phase because they don't actually think that The Red Pill works. Beyond whether or not it works many men either do not have the social skills to execute it (and the consequences for failing have grown too harsh, so no learning as you go), or are too deeply ingrained with contradictory morals to actually do red pill stuff in real life. So instead they're frustrated over why that behavior is even necessary, how it's required of them while others ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 01:03 AM
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Some people are socially awkward, so it wouldn't turn out how you expect.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 12:56 AM
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Show me a man who doesn't want the most attractive highest status woman he can get. That's not hypergamy though. If the best woman he can get is some gross pig a lot of men will still take that, even if she looks worse than himself. While women would rather just take nobody than the male equivalent of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 12:54 AM
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The dude very blatantly said they're not normal, yet get a pass for being women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 12:47 AM
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The difficulty level rose past what the average struggling male is able to accomplish via TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 12:44 AM
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and guys who are so blue pill conditioned they never made it past the anger/resentment phase. That is essentially the issue, some guys are both naturally soft and passive to begin with and then also feminist MeToo conditioned on top of it. It is very hard to correct shared errors across both nature and nurture from back during one's formative years.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 12:43 AM
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I'm gonna try to be fair here. Technically a woman can be a hoe at any age. There are always going to be guys willing to fuck. She can take herself into the night life and will get an offer guaranteed within a week at most. Even faster on dating apps. In terms of function, the opportunity is always there. Unlike for many men. But realistically... The raw sexual desire might just not be there. The woman may want to have had a hoe phase BEFORE, but having grown older now simply no longer feels the…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/26 12:31 AM
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Also, for all the redpills complaints about women being seen as the better people, when they claim "Women are the selectors of sex", it's implying female sex offenders are doing a public good because males will always say yes, so why should society take hot female predators seriously? All her male "victims" should be happy, right? We should take anyone who feels victimized seriously, and punish any relevant offenders to the fulllest extent of the law.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 01:04 PM
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KSHY7H_reDE He got a worse response than the asshole she posted, even though he's a decent guy. That's what dudes are pointing out. None of OP's gaslighting will ever change that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 09:20 AM
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I don't like being treated worse than criminals and cheaters and I'll continue to voice that. They don't even see rude behavior or bigotry as a problem, such as men here not seeing the issue with this guy's behavior in the video. The guy in the video still had some women not pop their balloons, so he proves the point that bad men are getting a pass. Also, they think actually being a good moral polite person is pussy beta male behavior It is in the scenario that you get treated like shit regardle…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 08:46 AM
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It might be that the few guys who do get approached tend to have a ton of options and aren't very grateful.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 08:33 AM
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False for passive natured men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 07:59 AM
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You aren't the prize, so you have to approach. Either stop fucking whining about it or stay single forever. Easy to say as the gender that's born a prize. Maybe men don't try so hard to survive because life as a dude kinda sucks. What's the point of existing as a non-prize. You don't get to enjoy shit, so why do more than the bare minimum? A guy can approach constantly but still always get rejected because he's socially awkward and not attractive enough to compensate. Why do all the maintenance …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 07:57 AM
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If they want dominant men the feminist portion of women should stop lying about not doing so.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 07:50 AM
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Except most of the guys pumping and dumping women approched them lol. The dudes tend to proactive and assertive.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 07:49 AM
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Why would one not be jealous of women, the dating privileged?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 07:48 AM
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Feminists fought many of those. Oddly not this one though. I'll be fair, I don't think traditional women who don't approach are cowards. They're just traditional. But aside from that, come on. What happened to breaking glass ceilings?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 07:46 AM
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Perhaps, but I'm pretty sure many men alternatively feel there's something wrong with people who need everything done for them yet still claim to be equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 07:43 AM
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It's them not wanting to give up the key advantage that they have. What advantage don't they have in dating contexts? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 07:21 AM
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Why should they go ask out a bunch of other dudes in addition to the ones already coming to her? There's a selection bias regarding the men who approach, only certain types of men do it, in theory if she wanted to date a guy who doesn't then she'd have to approach him instead. Guys who approach are more likely to possess various traits... Favorable ones like confidence, charisma, and whatnot, but also less favorable ones such as not actually caring what women think (hence the resilence to reject…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 07:16 AM
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Lots of men are giving up on dating because the fear of rejection is too high. Not cowardly in that case, men actually are extremely likely to be rejected if they approach, unlike women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 07:01 AM
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Obviously, the bot only bans, after that its all in the professional Redditors' hands.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 10:31 PM
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Extremely based.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 10:15 PM
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It's only hard if you have high standards. That claim always overlooks the guys who genuinely have no options. Whether the cause is attractiveness or something else (many different things factor into dating), it's not "high standards" if there's literally nobody to choose from.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 10:14 PM
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or to be clear, that present and conceive more like that than females 🤷‍♀️ Well that applies to basically most dudes lol, but most dudes aren't perpetually isolated, so I'd still wager that the determining factor there isn't this type of behavior. The isolated generally don't fit in or don't live up to society's expectations of them (based on gender, etc.); plenty of scummy aloof avoidant men do fine, since that's expected of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 10:11 PM
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Mine are statistically backed. Studies show that dark triad individuals, sociopaths, narcissists, and even psychopaths and ex-cons, are all less likely to lack "experiences" than average people. There is no way the people you're pointing out make up the majority of perpetually isolated men. The reality is that people also often avoid weak, soft, sensitive men. Either out of disgust or a fear of the traits rubbing off. And these guys are far from sociopathic narcissists.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 10:02 PM
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It finally happened to me, got perma-banned from one subreddit by a bot purely because I had posts on another sub. In order to get unbanned they want me to delete all posts on the offending sub, then request a manual unban via modmail. Lol that's clearly just how they trick you into deleting your posts, then not unbanning you anyway. Otherwise the unbanning could also be handled by bot.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 09:59 PM
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many men have something close to a sociopathic-narcissistic personality disorder which is why they “don’t care about” maintaining and nurturing relational bonds/community… but then so easily play victim and act all PikachuFace.gif when they don’t have bonds or community The two groups are largely not the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 07:29 PM
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I agree with some of these ideas but not others. For one, you can't self-defeat if you were already defeated. I don't think the clauses, "even when better options are clearly available" and "despite having adequate social skills and the capacity for pleasure" necessarily apply to everyone. while condoning women raping Some just have differing views on the definition. opposing abortion rights, but in no way does this even remotely benefit men (quite the contrary) It benefits men who aren't fuckbo…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 07:27 PM
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If n-count didn't matter then virginal men wouldn't constantly be getting drive-by insults for no reason. But every time a random guy does something bad liberals and feminists say, "this is why there's a male loneliness epidemic."
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 06:56 PM
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Eh I think plenty of people deserve to die. Just not in these cases. Could've been handled with a lot less force, they're unarmed women lol. You can literally just move out of the way of a slow car. Armed federal agents should understand that with enough escalation, people'll start doing more than just, "pissing them off". They're paid to perform a job, not deliberately kill unarmed folk just because they're pissed off. Authorities abusing their role is the whole reason the founding fathers gran…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 08:09 AM
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We did have a ton of sex early on. That's all OP's referring to here lol. He's not demanding a submissive maid. "Chad treatment" in this context is simply referring to have sex early and frequently. That's all guys referring to AF/BB are talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 07:51 AM
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If men all waited it out for exactly what they "want" many would be waiting for an eternity. So he settles for what's "acceptable", and that fluctuates based on comparisons like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 07:42 AM
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Secondly, a man should evaluate whether his sex life is good based on his own needs and whether he is currently happy. Thing is men don't tend to see it that way because most men would love to have more sex than they currently do. They already have to accept that their desires won't be fully met. Most women do not want to have sex as much as them or in as many ways as them. Realistically he has to live with that. So instead of judging whether his sex life is "good" he judges whether it's tolerab…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 07:40 AM
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Many women feel similarly in reverse because they can give birth and whatnot.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 07:13 AM
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He sure shouldn't be, but unfortunately fat is becoming average in slob countries like America.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 07:11 AM
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The people complaining about the ICE protestor getting killed recently sure didn't have the same energy to defend Ashli Babbit. I don't think either deserved to die btw. Since I'm consistent, rather than a partisan hypocrite.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 07:08 AM
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They bought the lie that men in uniform are chivalrous.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:58 AM
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That supports my point of the group being in a bad spot.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:15 AM
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A lot of beta males end up in a bad spot bevause they're not compatible with submissive/standard womrm but lack the traits in other areas to appeal to dominant women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:08 AM
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And this is actually men's fault because they insist on giving their attention and energy to women for just existing. And when you tell them to stop chasing women and giving away their attention to them so easily, they dont want to hear it. Provide an alternative means for them to find partners, then. Because we have a lot of online men who "don't give women attention" and they end up still kissless hugless virgins at age 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 05:37 AM
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Why would anyone be rich off of advice that's already freely shared? TRP had a whole subreddit of freely shared advice and a network of freely accessible blogs prior to that. Nobody monetizing it has ever has anything more worthwhile to say than what dudes posting for the public benefit already did.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 02:03 AM
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I don't know what you're rambling about. He's saying that TRP advice underperforms because a lot of men can't properly/fully execute it in real life, not because it's wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 02:00 AM
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Being yourself also doesn't work in that case, though, so at least you're properly informed even in the hypothetical scenario that you can't apply literally any of the advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 01:58 AM
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It doesn't work on dating apps (because nothing does). It worked in prior environments, that have since been deprioritized. That's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 01:55 AM
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Some things may “work” but all in all, they work less than whatever the masses are doing. TRP is explicitly meant to copy what sexually successful men do. No TRP'er is saying that they can tell dudes how to get laid more than the guys who already get laid. They're telling dudes what the guys who already get laid are doing naturally, so those dudes can emulate it artificially. Being unable to adapt to something like a dating app is basically why the redpill is invalid. Nobody has found any behavi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 01:51 AM
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Dudes aren't complaining because TRP is invalid, they're complaining because it works but is insufficient. Back in the day the most sexually charged environment was random bars, night clubs, and parties. There red pill game was useful to stand out ahead of other guys and close deals faster. Now with the decrease in third spaces, drop in drinking, night life dwindling, and MeToo mentalities the most sexually charged environment is dating apps. And game doesn't get you laid off a dating app. So th…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 10:20 PM
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Memories and the past are highly important to many men. The sense of achievement remains. Like all those sports medals dudes keep from high school. Anyway everyone becomes low libido eventually. But dudes tend to become more bitter about it based on how sexual their wife was previously. At least if she was just always low libido it's easier to tolerate.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 09:42 PM
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Women make up less than 30% of congress, Most voters are women, so that's on them. I don't recall ever voting against a female candidate. Imagine if it was reversed. Like seriously, if you’re a man, put yourself in this position. Imagine if men made up a small percentage of CEOs and business owners. Imagine if men were vastly outnumbered in politics. How would you feel? Don't give a shit. Would you be OK with that? Sure. Do you think it could indicate some sort of discrimination? Potentially, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 11:50 AM
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It doesn't need to physically be good in this scenario, the romance is enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 05:34 AM
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The only context in which this is acceptable is if she's dating a former promiscuous man.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 05:30 AM
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John Fetterman is 6'8 lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 05:24 AM
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Because of "Western" privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 05:09 AM
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No, there is no evidence that most incel men have options. There's no easy way to get attention that one can point to for them like for women with dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 11:26 PM
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The problem is that, unlike all those other species, human men are told that women are their equals, despite women not being subjected to the same exclusionary standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 09:53 PM
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It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that being both ugly and weird/bitter will only make an incel’s chances even worse.) If your chances are already 0 they cannot get worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 09:47 PM
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In the most pragmatic sense, no one benefits from garbage being replicated. Garbage replicates all the time, ex-cons have higher reproduction rates than normal people, as do sociopaths, and bullies, while impoverished low employment rate high crime areas reproduce at higher rates than well educated safe successful areas and 3rd world countries reproduce at far higher rates than 1st world countries. The people left out right now are no more statistically likely to be garbage than the people who a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 09:43 PM
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think a lot of men that are incels are incels because they won't lower their standards. They could always go lower, but "those women" (insert offensive slurs) don't exist to them. They can't accept that "those women" are an appropriate pairing for them in the state they they are currently in as men. A lot of guys have straight up no options. People really overlook the experience of mediocre and below looking men with no social skills (or at least no sexual/romantic skills).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 09:32 PM
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Bottom line is if you have the capacity to type a reddit post, you have the capacity to find a partner. Not necessarily. Just as men accuse women of ignoring x% of men, men do the same thing to women. No, any woman could get some form of attention on a dating app.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 09:27 PM
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If you were doing fine with women already then you wouldn't need pills. TRP mostly serves as corrective advice for dudes who women don't like. This is like asking why there's so many sick people at the hospital.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 04:56 PM
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For You Page. It's a term for the default photo/video feed a social media app shows you when you open it; basically she's saying to add people with happy relationships to the list of content creators you follow/subscribe to on said platforms.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 05:46 AM
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A woman would know that she has to try harder as a man in order to attract women. It's true that some women in the thread acknowledged that. But as seen with previous experiments where a woman took control of a male dating app profile or outright crossdressed as a man, quite a few others were instead quite shocked by all the additional things that were expected of them in that form. Norah Vincent as the most famous example was a lesbian who did fine with women as a woman, but was left gobsmacked…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 05:20 AM
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A lot of people act like we aren't, for some reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 05:01 AM
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If you think about it as a dude if you're a woman's friend then you're a guy who just quite didn't make the cut for a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 04:22 AM
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Trump said they're considering boots on the ground if the new president doesn't cooperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 02:53 AM
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This makes me wonder, do you guys think attraction is a choice? No. And especially not for women. (men have more room to convince themselves to "be into" non-standard women for the sake of seed spreading) No individual woman can do anything about attraction. The argument is that if society itself were structured differently, attraction would be more likely to spawn. If yes, what do you think a woman should do to make herself attracted to more men / men she is not naturally attracted to? As far a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 02:43 AM
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I'm already four-eyed that's how I was able to make the analysis.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 01:24 AM
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lmao Well at least the rules are laid out now. I'll just imitate the Obama giving himself a medal meme instead. 🏅
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 01:17 AM
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No it still makes sense as long as she didn't both have casual sex with someone else and also make you wait instead. The dynamic is different but it can still be salvaged.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 01:12 AM
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No it's in a different thread lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 01:11 AM
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Also over a hundred innocent Venezuelans were killed.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 01:09 AM
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Red pill doesn't say men care more about looks, just that looks is one of the relatively fewer things we care about at all. Women's looks standards are still stricter.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 01:09 AM
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Seeing more people wake up. Social media posts with thousands of upvotes asking why it's bad for Russia to attack Ukraine if it's fine for America to attack Venezuela. Question everything!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 01:04 AM
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Unfortunately the grand majority of those women already put out early for previous dudes so making others wait just comes off as disrespect and disinterest. They'd be correct otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 12:13 AM
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Better than getting dead bedroom'd by a formerly promiscuous woman though. With a virgin you can idealize it like sex with her is a rare privilege because it's so amazing. With a high-n woman... There's no rationalizing. It just sucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 04:21 PM
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Why would a girl that pulls dudes she want ever get with shy boys when they’ve proven they can get whoever they want. If I had to theorize shy boys are the least likely to know or catch on to their pasts and they can use the skills gained from back then to "start fresh" on a new relationship with them. The dudes being gentle is a valued contrast to prior toxic men. They can get a lot of guys but only with timid outcast types can they essentially be the "only" girl. I'm the definitive bum ass los…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 03:57 PM
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A lot of people downvoted my virgin worship post so now I'm going to continue it. There is nothing more romantic than fully devoting yourself to a woman before she even lets a man see her body. She was never wooed by shallow looks or superficial charm, only by true compatibility and commitment. She resisted all temptation and waited for a nice guy. She never wavered on her standards, and you managed to meet them. Saving one's self for marriage is a truly lost art and marriage is massively unappe…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 03:42 PM
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Posting for medal.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 03:22 PM
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Well that is because of feminism and because workplaces can be corrupt so to speak. Employment has to be fair for women. Well I didn't say the changes were wrong. They're called advancements for a reason. Obviously it's also good that rape and coercive sex are also illegal now. Lmao 45% of pregnancies are unplanned. And if people acted the same way they do now but in the past pre-contraceptives and safe abortion, damn near all pregancies would be unplanned. My mom had like three abortions prior …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 03:04 PM
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Breeding stats were a lot different before we added regulation after regulation to the job market to artificially make women equal in economic status to men despite working less hours, being capable of less physical labor, and requiring pregnancy/maternity leave. That heavily depressed the value of productivity and commitment in the calculation of mate selection. In a genuinely natural environment they would be essential factors to consider. Furthermore we now have contraceptives to dull the con…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 02:50 PM
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That's actually a good point, but in that case it's impressive how her standards are so high, and highly validating for the man she finally does choose.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 02:43 PM
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It wouldn't need to be stopped at that point since it'd be universal. What we have now is artificial selection. Selection bound by laws and a rigged economy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 02:42 PM
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Lol, and yet red pillers hate strong independent women more than any other women. Haha. Has nothing to do with me, I don't judge people by those metrics. Some people lead while others support and they each serve respectable roles in life. And if you really believed that, then you’d also believe a man being a slut shows he is weak and gluttonous and lacks the ability to resist temptation. I said nothing contrary to that notion. But my opinion of promiscuous men is infinitely drowned out by women'…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 02:36 PM
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Eh...no thanks. Funny how when she says it it's fine, but when men say it there's a massive issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 12:28 PM
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We live in an advanced civlization, nothing modern is natural. You wouldn't like it very much if we reverted to natural.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 11:07 AM
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In America 56% of women have kids but only 44% of men do. Basic statistics nuke the blue pill on sight.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 10:50 AM
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Someone is either attracted to someone/something or they’re not. As said I have been attracted to overweight women, and to be specific I mean fat women and even two or three obese women probably over 2x my weight. Pornbrain isn't the problem. The character issues still remain though. I just don't have much in common with fat people lol. It doesn’t matter if it’s someone’s fault they are fat or not… It matters entirely in my example, since that is literally the only issue there. Self-control and …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 10:09 AM
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so youre saying women have standards that are too high, but actually not all women, just straight women while lesbians have low standards. Not quite. It becomes clear when considering bisexual women. They have normal standards for women, and relatively higher standards for men. lol So the issue isn't straight women vs. lesbian women, it's attraction to men vs. attraction to women. The triggers for attraction to men are harder to satisfy. Attraction to women is less likely to require the woman to…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 09:40 AM
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FreeMaduro
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 09:29 AM
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If someone doesn’t want someone who is fat, then they shouldn’t be upset and play the victim card when someone else doesn’t want someone who is short. Bad comparison. A dislike of shortness is basically exclusively shallow, since it's a genetic trait the individual has no control over. A dislike of fatness can be shallow, just because it looks bad or people would mock them for dating the person, in which case your comparison is fair... But it can also be sourced from a bunch of other actually su…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 09:22 AM
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Then he would have no problem dating them Not universally true.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 08:36 AM
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Fat women aren't out of the game though, women just like to pretend that they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 08:35 AM
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But if we get equal wages it'll be kinda bogus if men still have to pay more than women...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 08:33 AM
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Women still get to date regardless of broken gender roles though...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 08:31 AM
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Absolute waste of time and not guaranteed. Go for initial attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 08:26 AM
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The logic is that most people (Chads + women) don't have to be fun or exciting, so it's rough being born into the trash portion of humanity that has to entertain like a dancing monkey to get attention. Especially if you don't actually have the ability to do those things, or it's so far from your original personality that it's not fulfilling.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 08:22 AM
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Even men with no standards run into the same issues though.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 08:17 AM
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Some guys' only good qualities are all ones that don't sexually attract women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 08:16 AM
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"Unfair because women already have to spend so much time and money on beauty products." Date men who don't require that. If you still want to do it regardless of men, then that's not men's fault, and they shouldn't have to foot the bill for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 08:05 AM
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Literally nobody believes "just be kind bro" including bluepillers If that was the case then there wouldn't be so many people who assume that every guy who's permanently alone is an evil misogynist.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 08:02 AM
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People I meet in any venue of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 07:57 AM
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What's the gotcha in this context is how a lot of morally bad men fall into women's datable range while a lot of morally good men don't, showing that kindness isn't as important or necessary as other factors.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 07:48 AM
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A lot of men only dream about those because real women want nothing to do with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 07:45 AM
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People do that all the time when they assume that every lonely guy in real life is like the dudes here.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 07:22 AM
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He's saying that the average woman's personality is less equipped for succeeding in dating as a man than the average man's personality is. You being turned into a man wouldn't necessarily make you an average man. Your seductive skills may be well below an average man's.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 07:16 AM
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So you think that men would be more successful with women if they identified as women, If they credibly passed as women, they would do better with pro-trans bi/lesbian women than the stereotypical Reddit guy does with straight women, yes. and that women just have inherently higher expectations on people who identify as men? Why do you think that they have higher expectations for people who identify as men compared to people who identify as women? It's an artifact of biology, men pose a pregnancy…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 07:07 AM
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It's inherently harder firstly because straight dating is governed by gender roles while lesbian dating is not. A shy awkward lesbian woman can reliably wait for an assertive lesbian woman to approach her. A shy awkward straight man cannot reliably wait for an assertive straight woman to approach him. Secondly, there is less competition in gay dating spaces. People there have less options, so they're just not as picky. Thirdly the physical standards are not the same for men and women, even for b…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 06:58 AM
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Larger dating pool is irrelevant if it's harder to access. It's easier for a woman to appeal to a lesbian than for a straight man to appeal to a woman. And women going for lesbians have less competition. Who do you think would have an easier time getting into a college near them: Someone in a small town with only half a dozen community colleges? Or someone in a city with 100 Ivy League colleges exclusively? There being more Ivy Leagues means nothing when literally all 100 are gonna reject the av…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 06:26 AM
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Women have easier access to every aspect of dating, it's just that it's harder for them to get proper relatiionships than to get sex, but their relationships still come more easily than men's.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 06:18 AM
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That explains why y'all complain so much. Your privilege is invisible What fucking privilege? Guaranteed 99% of anything you could hink up is either something that doesn't apply to stereotypical Reddit males, or is something men aren't actually happy about. I'm broke and widely despised, not seeing the privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 06:16 AM
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How? Most women don't. Approach strangers. Sexualize early conversations. Plan first dates. Pay full for first dates. Initiate early physical intimacy. How would they clean up as men without doing these things...?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 06:13 AM
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and i lack skills that men need to date, because I didn’t need them and didn’t train.. I have no idea how successful i would be if i did train those skills. Big respect for admitting that, unbelievably based. As seen these skills aren't accessible to all, unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 06:04 AM
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Quantity is irrelevant, it's a harder for the average man to appeal to a straight woman than it is for the average woman to appeal to a lesbian. Also women pursuing women have less competition to deal with.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 05:51 AM
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both men and women would fail at being each other. Most non-successful men here would do better in dating as women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 05:21 AM
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This is a debate sub, not a lifestyle sub. Arguing that the red pill is correct does not require doing red pill things. One can easily believe it's correct but still feel any accompanying behavior is scummy and beyond their moral compass. Anyway even with comprehension and commitment if the guy is autistic or something he still won't necessarily succeed. You can have the right plan but fail at execution. Regardless, none of this refutes OP's point, that most women would fail at dating if they we…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 04:47 AM
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War in Venezuela and Grok producing images of unclothed minors. Just gonna escalate right out of the gates this year.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 10:17 AM
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A woman being a virgin displays mental strength, an ability to resist temptation. Promiscuity shows suceptibility to charming/hot men regardless of potential social consequences, a high urge for sex, technically careless behavior (prior to contraceptives/abortion promiscuity was extremely risky for women), etc. Come on you can't just frame your desires as good but men's bad, there are a lot of ways to play that game.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 05:50 AM
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Why would women have to hold the same stupid standard in order to note that it's unfair? It's entirely fair for a guy who is not promiscuous and does not like promiscuous men to also not like promiscuous women. OP is simply saying that women in a similar position could also choose not to like promiscuous men. He's not saying they have to be hypocritical about it. The point is that virginity is based on lack of knowledge. Valuing virginity means valuing ignorance. A lot of based pillers are virgi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 05:44 AM
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People keep making fun of red pill content creators for secretly being simps and dating single moms and stuff. But doesn't that mean they were actually decent guys without high standards all along, and were just being performatively aggressive?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 01:48 AM
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Have to respect her for giving fair warning. Better than staying silent.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 01:33 AM
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To be fair it's not really actual seniors getting mad about it, but rather marriage aged women mad that the men their age refuse to settle down and date younger women instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 01:31 AM
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Bro how TF did you pull that off, I can't trigger any of them hard enough for a block. 😭
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 01:25 AM
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Alimony, bro. Also child support if applicable.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 12:52 AM
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The two distinct groups are "guys who can hookup" and "guys who can't hookup". There's no claim that the hookup guys can't have relationships if they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 12:49 AM
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But if he does that, then he becomes the married guy, which a lot of guys here frown upon. Most don't frown upon a harem guy becoming a married guy. They frown upon a guy having to marry before he gets to have any fun. People constantly forget that the past is contextual to these judgments. Only a life of perpetual casual sex is considered successful by some guys. Yes but that's an extreme outlook that's not very common. Even the manosphere anti-christ Andrew Tate disapproves of the, "just have …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 12:46 AM
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The guy with a harem can pick his wife from the harem, the married guy usually can't start a harem. Men value options and leverage.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 10:46 PM
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Unless you have contradicting updated ones it doesn't matter how few studies there are from how long ago, they're still the authoritative statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 10:15 PM
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Based on that idea of watch what they do Red pillars seems to spend lots of time bitching and complaing about women and blaming them for their problems. You're not trying to date or emulate red pillers, so what red pillers are doing is irrelevant to you. Red pillers are trying to get with or copy the people they're watching. They also think that a study is the end all be all and dismiss anything that differs from their world view as either an outlier or something they can ignore. The goal is det…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 10:13 PM
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"They" refers to the average woman and the average man who's successful with women. Red pillers, tradcons, and other manosphereans are a minority and the red pill by nature is not concerned with what a minority of people are doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 08:30 PM
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Rather they're confirming what they already independently perceived in real life with others online. Hence why, "watch what they do" is a red pill staple. Nobody cares about what someone says, it's about what can actually be observed in the world. This is also why pillers are the ones posting actual statistical data from studies done in real life vs. people just claiming things without any proof.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 08:13 PM
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It's weird how some men turn out just fine but others are told nonsense by their parents and relatives? The average man is told nonsense but their natural instincts compensate and they turn out "fine" regardless. Not every man has these instincts though.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 08:06 PM
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Seems sexist, women are allowed to be realistic and make sense too.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 08:01 PM
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Sure but the manosphere is still the minority online, majority is blue pill, so that's what some people mean when they say don't listen to the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 08:00 PM
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I am on break taking on red pilled guys (they are a bit too easy) I never argued OP, I'll complain the brakes off of him. 😡
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 05:24 AM
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You can tell that many feminists are actually pro-woman sexists by how differently they respond to each gender's dating complaints, no matter how severe the man's is. Woman complains about men rarely approaching anymore = silence. Woman complains about men having no clue how to plan a date = silence. Women complains about guys often wanting to split the bill = silence. Man complains about women NEVER approaching him = stop being entitled, work on yourself, learn how to talk to women, you don't d…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 01:06 AM
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If you think the red pillers are the only ones here sleeping around that's wild. 💀
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 11:53 AM
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Great point made for the opposition actually, of the 10% of users who aren't married, some of them are just divorced; they used to be married men. So this is even less of a never-married man problem than I had previously stated.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 07:20 AM
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Remember that 90% of OF users are married men. Stop blaming us single men for that shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 03:14 AM
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People don't trust me when I say I believe in feminism, the current iteration is just bad. 😭
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 01:20 AM
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Actually a lot of women are awfully concerned about cultural and legal regression in Western countries, fueled by the resurgence of the right-wing in political leadership and young men heavily trending rightward. "Women can have their cake and eat it"... Until suddenly there's no cake left. Ignoring a problem for just as long as you can get away with it does have consequences, however much delayed. Their best bet to is to "save feminism" by patching up the discrepancies, much like how US capital…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 01:08 AM
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I find queer women and non binary people like queer men We're talking about straight women, though, i.e. the majority of women. Exceptions are trivial. Thinking dick is gross and ruins people is misogyny made by straight men. The mental gymnastics it takes to brand anti-male logic as actually anti-female and also men's fault. Some things are on women, just like some things are on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 01:03 AM
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He literally campaigned on a policy change for half the year just to hours right before he actually gets power basically say, "nah just kidding. 🤷‍♂️" Any neutral observer would recognize that as shady. Dunno why people all across the spectrum trip over themselves to defend obviously duplicitous politicians.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 11:40 PM
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Unless a woman is dirt ugly her pool is significantly larger than the average man's in general. You're saying nothing worth stating. The comparison is from one woman to another woman, not any woman to a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 11:34 PM
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They don't struggle to find decent men, they struggle to find decent men who are both desirable (beyond finances) and willing to commit. I know guys who date single moms but they're all perfectly fine cheating too. They basically just take advantage of how you can date hotter women than usual if they're stuck with kids, they don't want you to take them out as often since they have kids, and they have more bangmaid skills. The dudes don't invest deeply into these relationships, they use them to f…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 11:23 PM
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Just hours before becoming NYC mayor, Mamdani's flip-flopped on the concept of mayors controlling city public school policy, now embracing it. Told ya'll half his platform was just campaign theatrics.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 11:10 PM
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If she expects you to be "financially stable" but didn't expect past partners to be then she's not into you enough. Raw animal attraction only. And yes I get that older women increasingly expect that, it's another reason why older women are often not ideal.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 03:42 AM
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Done for humor and makes them look rich, connected, and surrounded by women I guess. Power fantasy stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 08:35 PM
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We now have young men AI editing themselves into photos with Epstein on his plane. It's that bad folks, dudes are that lonely now.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 08:27 PM
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...Next time a reporter wants to force an answer like this without looking like an idiot, they should just ask who the most skilled player is. Since it's possible for a woman to be the most skilled player in a sport, even if she'd lose to most male professionals for physical reasons beyond her control. Alternatively you can ask who the best player is pound-for-pound. As in, who would be the greatest player if they all had the same physical stats. Like how Mayweather is often called the greatest …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 06:54 PM
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Nobody's growing out of anything until their conditions improve. There's more piller guys now because less conditions are improving.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 06:15 PM
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Eh in this case I think OP's comments are accurate. They will go for the guy who's slept with a bunch of women in hopes that he will pick them specifically, confirming their specialness. Most of the time that will not happen, though, hence why OP had to go on 100+ dates. It checks out.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 06:01 PM
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If all men had the same amount of standards as women, most women would never get picked. The simple fact that the average person needs to realize is that they are not special. They are average. Common. Standard. My husband alson dated and slept with a ton of women before meeting me. Cool. But most men can't do that, so expecting them to enforce the same strictness is bizarre.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 05:58 PM
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Brutal. But wait how are ya'll still blue pill while acknowledging that certain groups of men just ain't got it compared to others? 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 08:44 AM
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Many of them wanted to be promiscuous but just couldn't, and even some of those who didn't want to be will still feel a rift in experiences if their girlfriend was. Same isn't necessarily true for women since women who care that much about promiscuity can just go do it, and in general women don't determine their sense of value or desirability based on sexual prowess.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 05:37 AM
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His life is by no means the best, obviously it'd have been better to just have a normal youth sex life and then do more productive things in your 30s, but yes guys who didn't get to do that would definitely look up to this dude for successful late blooming.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 05:22 AM
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I said I don't use Tinder at all, and never have. Don't spread false gossip. What I said is that dudes who look like me don't get matches. That is not the same thing. Anyway real life =/= dating apps. In real life I have met the type of people I'm referring to here.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 03:30 AM
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Hmm. Would you also no longer date short guys? This shows the importance of pursuing younger women, who don't always have enough experience to have written off the idea of casual sex as bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 03:18 AM
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I was asking myself this question because I see a lot of men acting a certain way that make me question their foundations. Why do you guys only judge when men act contrary to traditional gender roles? Modern women do too. It's a people thing, not a man thing. Equality can't just be a one-way street. The male loneliness epidemic is a phenomenon I don't really get to understand since there has always been lonely people (men and women). Especially men and women seems to be evenly matched about this…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 03:04 AM
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The older you get the higher the percentage of single women who've had casual sex before but don't want it anymore. It's infuriating. Completely undatable time wasters.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 03:42 PM
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That's him not being able to hack it on his own age and level. He explictly does not want the women his age. Too many of them want to settle down. Since he's a late bloomer he's at a different stage of life from them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 03:29 PM
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Marriage isn't a universal goal nowadays. The dude is in a position where the women his age "had their fun" and want to settle down while he didn't get to have fun, and a lot of men get very bitter about being pushed to marry under those conditions.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 03:24 PM
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or of he was or revealed pulling attractive women his whole adult life. The post states that the dude is a late bloomer who didn't get to have a young fun phase.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 03:22 PM
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He gets to have casual sex, which makes him a lot better off than most men his age. A guy can make quadruple what this guy does and still feel like total junk compared to him.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 03:14 PM
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It's odd seeing an opposite, despite being a based piller who fully understands the resurgence of the right-wing, I still have to give a pass for Trump hate since the guy sucks. It'd be one thing if he was just a static figure, but it seems like every week we learn something new and disgusting about him.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 01:23 PM
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You cannot make people like you or want to associate with you. That is out of your hands. Socialization is a two-way street. It cannot individually be one person's fault when they will never have total agency over the situation. All else equal people tend to trust and favor men less than women, so on average men have less friends. That's just how life works.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 01:16 PM
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Then your loneliness isn't that bad. Men's loneliness is severe enough to purge standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 01:14 PM
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There aren't very many good men, which is why it's especially lame how some are still overlooked. even if we ignore looks/ and height, it appears to me that men who are kind, considerate, funny, financially stable, monogamously oriented, sociable, generous, fun to be with, for instance, are a minority of men The problem is stacking eight billion things into the definition. Men have a simplistic view of what a good man is, just a guy who cares and interests you and is loyal and isn't a burden. Wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 12:48 PM
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Men gave in when women refused to back down. Well a man who refuses to back down on a grievance is generally branded a dangerous bitter individual, so men can't exactly secure equal social treatment the same way. And by the way, "No fault divorce was wanted by men, Ronald Reagan pushed it through because he wanted to leave his wife and marry Nancy. Reagan was the governor of a singular state out of 50 at that time, divorce being rendered faultless is a global Western phenomenon. Also a simple Go…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 08:11 AM
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I don't how people fail to follow that the dudes were alone or otherwise struggling before any choices were made.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 05:36 AM
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No they just mean they want a woman they're dating to treat them as sexually desirably as each of her past partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 04:11 AM
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Yeah my dad's an ex-con with a of sexual assault charge on record, a hard drug addict, has severe paranoia, and was as domestically abusive as you'd expect. At least my mom managed to get away after a few decades though. 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 12:59 AM
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Okay but you’re not feminists. Because men realized that the basic decency and freedom from gender expectations was largely only going one way, and decided they didn't like having their consideration be taken advantage of. It's not like there was no attempt. Feminism was largely adopted by Western society, it declining among men is merely a recent thing. We’ve been asking for empathy for literally centuries and And men (overall) granted the feminist movement the grand majority of legal rights re…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 12:50 AM
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Your dad didn't ask your mum out on the street. Yes he literally did. They hung out in social spaces and sooner or later that turned into dating. If my mother had hung in my father's social spaces she'd be a prostitute with a drug problem, instead of being none of those things like in reality. The two had zero in common and would not have met naturally.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 12:08 AM
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Men distancing themselves from feminism is a result of women largely refusing to reciprocate feminist style concern towards men. Why TF would a struggling man support a movement for helping struggling women when everyone, including those women, mostly still treats him like shit and refuses to sympathize over any of his misfortunes or the unfair gender standards he faces. At that point he's just gonna let you burn alongside him.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/25 12:07 AM
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Same reason people keep demanding men be feminists. It's nonsensical for society to request men sympathize with women but then offer no sympathy back to men. Generally, men used to feel deep shame about not being able to succeed romantically, and would hide this fact at any cost, not a sense of requesting sympathy and pats on the back from women or society. So were a lot of things women used to feel shame about, before society encouraged them to embrace those qualities instead. Not being able to…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 11:54 PM
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Hot women dating Chads is just the natural order, so we can't really blame them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 09:36 PM
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Speaking of breeding, isn't it better for the human race as a whole for even the "mid" women to "leach elite seed" rather than settle for mediocre product? Not in this context, since they're not sexually selecting for smart nice men, just superficially macho and physically attractive men. The latter are not obligated to be helpful to society, and many are the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 09:35 PM
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So no rewards. Look this is why men don't listen to ya'll, a lot of out of pocket claims that fall apart under scrutiny. Men cannot afford to follow to fickle vibes based rhetoric, they need advice from people with accurate impressions of the world based on real data and experiences. Through all your talk of avoiding appealing to the "male gaze" you didn't actually describe what the opposite is. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 09:04 PM
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There is no way to read a fish's mind, all one can do is ask other fishermen what bait worked.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 08:54 PM
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Blame the women who give extremely bad advice, it drowns the rest out.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 08:53 PM
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I actually think it’s an issue with men asking other men for advice. Women's advice is more likely to be observably wrong though.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 08:52 PM
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They call those successful men "simps" or "captain save a ho" Because men do not view dating a promiscuous women absent having also been able to be promiscuous themselves as a success. I'd rather be single than do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 08:50 PM
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straight men has become SO insular as a community, constantly rewarded Rewarded with fucking what? I'm (unfortunately) a straight man and I don't see any rewards.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 08:46 PM
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Wouldn't be caught dead on Tinder, dudes with my stats get 0 matches.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 09:03 AM
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I have not tried to sleep with an ugly fat woman, but other guys with similar stats fail to get them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 09:00 AM
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Something does not have to be a right for women to not be scummy or accusatory whenever someone is sad about never getting to have the experience (note not demanding, hostile, or bigoted, just aware and sad).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 07:48 AM
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At least basic respect and not being presumed a bad person or defective when running into obstacles in life, but they can't even grant that, so...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 07:01 AM
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"Height" isn't "looks" It's something you visually see that adds/subtracts from physical aesthetics. Definitely something being referenced whenever people talk about appearances. and ugly guys don't get casual sex. Blue pill rhetoric however would lead one to think otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 02:38 AM
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Aside from looks the other 4 issues tend to correlate, and the guys with more issues would probably still run into the same bottlenecks that the guys with less issues are facing eventually, they're just not at that stage of progression yet. There's little reason to think a bitter basement dwelling loner guy on Reddit wouldn't just end up as a bitter friendzoned nice guy on Reddit even if he started going outside and trying to be pleasant to people. He has the same fundamental set of challenges a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 12:21 AM
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To be fair I'm counting ugly fat women for this question.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 12:10 AM
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Mark Epstein must've been pissed, he would've inherited $600 mil from Jeffrey if the dude didn't sign a new will 2 days before his death (totally a coincidence btw).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 11:41 PM
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If looks aren't everything how do short ugly guys get casual sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 11:38 PM
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That others do shows that friendship does not fix the issue. All the complaints about getting friendzoned are from dudes with friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 10:25 PM
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There are long-term single women who have never had any sort of casual sex, and are still fine with being single Those women are credible and legit. Now if only they were here to debunk OP... Because it's awfully amusing how they seem to only hypothetically exist (implying they're statisically irrelevant outliers).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 08:28 AM
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It's telling how you didn't choose no sex over hookups, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 08:25 AM
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Women are less interested and place less value in FWB/ONS than men do, which is why women even have “easy access”. No it's because men's standards are much lower. If the reason you think you can’t find the right person is because you believe you’re objectively ugly/unlikeable/worthless, how the hell do you even like yourself? Because it's well established that many peoples' preferences are either shallow or dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 08:22 AM
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No, the women who have casual still only do it with a select few men. Completely opposite to the gay community.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 08:18 AM
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Why do they have easier access to these things than men though? It’s because women aren’t as interested in ONS as men. Not a full answer. It's also because the women who are interested in ONS still only want it with a small fraction of men. Meanwhile men would sleep with anyone not repulsive looking, which is an an easier bar for women to clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 08:11 AM
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Even a dude who originally cared about relationships is gonna end up only caring about sex real fast if he's told, "women will never like your genuine personality". Shy sensitive considerate men being overlooked causes that, not male biology. If I have to fraud to get with women then no I don't care about appeasing them in the relationship. I would if they liked who I actually was.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 04:52 AM
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It's true. They get called fake "nice guys" all the time even though they were being genuine and are just confused why nobody likes them. Turns dudes bitter real fast.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 04:49 AM
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No, since nobody cares what women say on a survey, only what they do in real life. Tons of women still date conservative men. Over half of US male voters picked Trump, and dateless dudes are much less than half the country. On the contrary men are drifting away from progressive feminism because a lot of progressive feminist dudes were among the ones not getting laid, and then on top of that they would get personally attacked whenever they asked why women still didn't like them despite all of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 11:38 PM
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Nobody is denying that you can do those things at the same time, they're just denying that there's any point (or that the opposite sex deserves all that effort).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 07:51 PM
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It doesn't matter if they're mutually exclusive or not. That's not relevant to OP's point at all. Many guys are fine with just doing the bare minimum that gets them laid. If being a cocky IDGAF gym dude already gets the guy laid, why should he bother also being a nice therapy guy on top of that? Especially when it's hard to actually balance those traits at the same time? Extra pressure for nothing. Personally I don't believe people deserve the "nice guy who goes to therapy" if they can't actuall…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 07:49 PM
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"Straight women are proof sexuality isn't a choice." Bro what straight PEOPLE are proof attraction isn't a choice. If I had any measure of control over it I would not be attracted to women. Why would anyone willingly do that to themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 12:43 AM
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Nice guys are selfish Not universally true.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 10:40 PM
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The advice to not be a nice guy, be a "good man" makes no sense to me. If people don't respect nice guys then they don't deserve "good men". If you can get by with being an asshat there's no reason not to. And if people don't like it they should treat nice guys better than asshats; they shouldn't only reserve the respect for "good men".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 10:30 PM
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Mods 🤝 downvoters. Usually women or pro-woman. Just sayin'. (before I'm accused of bias I acknowledge murderers and rapists and whatnot are usually men)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 05:59 AM
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Certain subreddit threads are now justifying political violence and peddling rhetoric about how debate and conversation is a "Western" people thing, and that guys like Charlie Kirk would've been more careful with their words if more people voiced intent to assault them if they spoke out of line. Yet these same people bitch about police brutality and domestic terrorism from MAGA. I just want consistency bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 04:33 AM
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I'm using liberal phrasing to better commumicate the point. Also technically TRP mainly pertains to dating dynamics and doesn't require any particular political lean.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 09:34 PM
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Would it be funny with the genders reversed?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 09:15 AM
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Dunno how people don't understand modern dating frustrations. Reasonable people talking about the loneliness epidemic don't care if some MAGA scumbag can't get a girlfriend, or rude nasty guy or a bigot. In a lot of cases it's a good thing if people avoid those guys, not a bad thing. The concern is about morally good socially conscious individuals being alone. Not very many people are saying bad guys should get dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 06:56 AM
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I agree with OP. But it will never happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 02:04 AM
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Mo money mo problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 02:03 AM
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2 days for breaking the rule in the thread title lol. Would've only been 1 day if I didn't have the other ban on my record.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 12:12 AM
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Got banned again. This time was fair. Though it was longer than necessary due to the first retarded ban existing as "history". Can't ever escape others' mistakes. Can only try to avoid your own...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 09:28 PM
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Then why do you think women think it's okay? I'm referring to the ones who do. As representative (official) of women i say it's not, we take this seriously, we will conduct internal investigation and all at fault will be punished accordingly. Unfortunately some women really do take criticism of how some groups of women treat men as an assault on the entire gender. It's deeply irritating.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 10:27 AM
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Irrelevant. I'm referring to disrespect i.e. insulting/mocking someone or taking them less seriously based on genetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 10:22 AM
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Instagram and Facebook are full of fat middle-aged men - somehow with many shameless photos of them with their shirts off - calling women solid 4s or 5s. Thing is I know those types of losers, and when insulted for their own looks back they don't usually go on some big social campaign about fatshaming or shortshaming being wrong; instead they respond with either performative macho bragging like, "I still fuck tho" or "but my money's stacked tall", or just misogynistic insults regarding the woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 06:15 AM
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I still can't understand why some women think it's fine to disrespect men based on genetic traits but get mad when called fat, ugly, or weak. Can't take heat stay out of the kitchen. Also inb4 "but I'm not fat or ugly." Well I could probably still beat you up, so that one stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 05:20 AM
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54% of male voters picked Trump last year. No way are half the men on dating apps actually confessing to that. Dudes openly admitting they're MAGA are a minority. That's like thinking dudes here tell women they're red pill and post on PPD. Come on bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 12:10 AM
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Democrats didn't release because Bill Clinton's all up in there. Photo just dropped of him in underwear sharing a hot tub with one of the victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 12:05 AM
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It's black pillers' faults for constantly interrupting personality-centric discussions with, "but it doesn't matter if you're hot"-esque rhetoric. Yes it's generally true but not relevant; assume looks are equalized in discussions where the attractiveness of different personality traits is being debated. Granted some dumbfuck mods have deleted my comments about looks that were only posted in response to other posts that were already about looks, while leaving the original posts up; there's defin…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 11:13 PM
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Who do they even think they're fooling with this? Obviously if the entire page is blanked then the whole thing is about Trump.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 11:08 PM
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People really don't understand that accidentally marrying a woman like that is a lifetime failure award for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 11:06 PM
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"The reason a lot of young men don't get any is because they're MAGA." How do you find out a guy's MAGA before you hook up with him tho. 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 11:05 PM
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This type of comment generates misunderstanding since it's just too general and accusatory. Many women are dating men who are not better looking, richer, AND higher status. Many women face difficulties in life. Women have many nigh unique disadvantages. Many blue pillers will dismiss the whole point off of such exaggerations. But is it true in an on average sense that women tend to expect a man to perform better in some field (such as assertiveness), and tend to get more assistance and leeway in…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 07:57 PM
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She saw me and ran lol. Clearly that confirms she would not have interacted with me even if I had seen her.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 04:39 AM
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Accidentally got rejected in the city night life. Went to lean on the wall, but some chick I didn't see was near the spot I was heading towards. Upon seeing me she scurried halfway down the block.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 03:55 AM
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"extra hard on her because she was a woman" Dude was forced to resign while she was not. 🤔 Strong "women are the primary victims of war" energy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 07:07 PM
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Dudes just don't want to have less experience than their GF lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 07:02 PM
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There's no downwards for the actual genuine low-tier men though lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 07:00 PM
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This is different because you are not jealous of her but we are jealous of him. Saw a cute woman bragging on TikTok about dating a tall guy. She turns the camera on him and he's literally fat and ugly. It's not fair fam.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 06:58 PM
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Okay, expand it to the manosphere at large, including MRAs. That's beyond the scope of this subreddit. I don't know if those groups do those things or not, or if they try and run into logistical obstacles, and I certainly don't trust the accuracy of a report on the matter from feminists.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 06:48 PM
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TRP is about dating not other stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 06:46 PM
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Blue pillers will never be able to solve this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 09:30 AM
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He flirted on a safe environment (the internet) in a context where she had already sexualized the dialogue. Yet now he's a gross creep. But if a guy doesn't approach people say, "you don't even try." And if he doesn't sexualize people say, "you weren't direct about your intentions." 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 07:04 AM
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He'd probably get on a dating app and clean house.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 07:01 AM
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He'a probably referring to romantic attraction. Physical attraction is different, a lot of guys are physically attracted to the majority of women their age.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 07:00 AM
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Bernie types fuck with the higher earners' money. Those dudes will stick with the GOP, yes. Also the "temporarily embarassed millionaire" dudes who think they'll be rich one day. But the Dems don't need every group of men to win. They just need to stop alienating almost every group of men. Populist, socialistic candidates have resonated with some men in Democratic primaries, yet the party nominates the corporate identity politics candidates instead and then gets clobbered in the male vote in the…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 04:28 AM
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https://np.reddit.com/r/AmIOverreacting/comments/1ppawds/update_found_out_why_my_19f_boyfriend_20m_walked/ The new dating resentment meta: Being mad that your GF with two dads won't let you meet her birth mother, to see how she'll look when she's older. We just keep creating more problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 03:34 AM
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If you were to look at the standards a woman has, at least half of women would be able to meet those standards Almost no women would be able to meet their own social standards since they don't approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 02:47 AM
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Imagine if Frollo had a daughter. 💀
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 02:18 AM
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Only applies to neurotypical men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 01:15 AM
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I'm sure it's still difficult, because of course it is. At least you get to message people though.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 01:13 AM
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And it is absolutely sad and tragic that you don't realize this is a self-inflicted dead end for men. I realize America is collectively dead-ending itself. As long as the people continue prioritizing themselves at the expense of their scapegoats and boogeymen, their rivals will do the same, and we'll all lose out in the end. Nobody can be left behind. And we very much have two sides simultaneously failing to comprehend that. If we want to kneecap women? Reduce the simp and performative masculini…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/25 12:18 AM
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No. That is not why women are better at friendships. I'm claiming it's why they can be more motivated to focus on non-dating things even while lonely. Their romantic prospects don't take nearly as much of a hit when consciously ignored. A man who consciously ignores dating will mostly likely never date in his life. No offer will manifest. So him devoting everything to work and friendships would literally be doomìng himself to die with no intimate experience. Because women invite women…. And they…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 11:48 PM
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Even knowing nothing about the person, I immediately assumed on intuition alone that their post history would probably contradict their claims somehow, but unfortunately it was hidden. Good to know I'm not just paranoid and cynicism works. Remember: She told us how she felt. How one feels and what they're actually suffering are two different things. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 11:27 PM
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It also gets more attention because there is no female loneliness epidemic; women are more lonely now than before, but not as much as men. Women are generally offered more supportive social circles, and can easily find men if they really want to. Total solitude is largely by choice for women. Contrarily, women can be romantically lonely yet still nurture their friendships, still care about their community, and still work to maintain their comforts. Because they still have a realistic chance of b…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 11:20 PM
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The point by then is taking the enemy down with you. Trump screws over everyone, but at least he normalizes political incorrectness so they can be bitter and selfish in peace. If instead they vote a Clinton liberal into office, some corporate virtue signaller, well their life still sucks ass but every other group gets a red carpet while they get shamed for existing. Vote Trump and lose to rich white men. Vote blue and lose to everyone. Dudes crash out over this. We're not getting out of this unt…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 11:08 AM
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This is true but only applies to very few people. Even most incels are wrong about their own self-assessment. Most are likely correct via neurodivergence. They're not too ugly to date, but the combination of being nothing special looks-wise and being too socially neurodivergent to successfully fit male gender roles in dating kills.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 10:59 AM
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If you can’t, there’s probably more than just nature going on. Today's social environment is trash.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 10:54 AM
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Sexual frustration is more accurate but still a simplification. A lot of the guys adopt hyper traditional beliefs, and back in the day there was no sex before marriage. Yet the dudes would wholeheartedly sign up for that waiting period if they got to be with a traditional chaste woman. In that scenario the only draw would be the romance and sense of purpose. So it's more of a sexless+loveless epidemic; the guy would often be fine with one or the other, but is getting neither.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 03:28 AM
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If you take a man who has no friends, weak family ties, no community, and then gets a girlfriend, and a man with close friends who hang out all the time and are emotionally open and supportive, a tight-knit family, and a community, but no girlfriend, who would identify as lonelier? Well the amount of dudes with a girlftiend who complain about being lonely is not high, while the amount of dudes with a social circle who complain about not having a girlfriend is quite higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 03:23 AM
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The reason people don't have options is because they're not physically or socially attractive. But that has nothing to do with whether they'd be caring loyal partners in a relationship or not. People are judged by other things in the early dating phases.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 11:49 PM
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If you're gonna go for anyone who comes first, you have no experience, and no self-respect and idea of what you want from a relationship. Or you are specifically so conventionally undesirable that the type of person who bothers with you is already proven to be genuinely unique as a person. It's part of the reason why teenage/college relationships rarely work out, few people settle down with the first person they loved. Those don't work out because people are immature, fickle, and bombarded with …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 11:46 PM
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That guy was literally a wealthy CEO i.e. highly improbable to be a good person regardless. Studies show successful businessmen are almost as likely to be sociopaths as convicted criminals. 3 times more likely to be than the average person.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 11:38 PM
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OR, get this, there are psychological differences between these men dictating both how many options they have AND their desire to cheat. I.e. non-cheating personality traits are correlated with low-option personality traits. Timid submissive considerate guy is both less likely to have options and less likely to be disloyal in general. But putting that idea aside... So why not flip this idea on its head and talk about the other side? A man with no options is only with you because he's desperate, …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 11:33 PM
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Well the thing is there are guys who'd never cheat who are constantly passed over by women, so the problem isn't men as a whole, just the men who tend to get picked by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 11:20 PM
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Research aside, I think it’s important to recognize that a lot of men shame and belittle women who have casual sex. Similar in principle to the thread, casual sex having women would probably be less hated if they weren't as exclusionary about who gets casual sex. Take gay men. Anti-promiscuity bigots still hate them. But fellow gay men don't broadly hate eachother, since they all tend to fit into some of eachother's standards ranges, and thus don't grow some bitter resentment regarding guys want…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 11:18 PM
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Most feminists seem to support these government programs (i do as well fwiw) for now. But if they are the ones with the good jobs in the future, i have this odd feeling the 'nobody owes you anything' (something right wing men and left wing women already say too much....we do owe each other things to some extent get over it) garbage will start coming out of their mouth. We already saw that when Hillary Clinton helped her husband peddle welfare cuts lol. Those two basically killed all appeal the l…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 11:02 PM
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You guys keep arguing with air. Nobody in the thread said, "women should have sex with men they aren't attracted to."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 10:57 PM
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Reddit never intended downvoting to be a disagree button. If you use it that way you're a bitch tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 10:38 PM
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Of course not.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 07:39 AM
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Chad has no incentive to listen. When people say it to women it's along the lines of a warning that the guy will dump them or be a scummy partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 03:52 AM
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That's not how that word works. Your peak is your prime. If your peak sucks then that's that but it's still your prime. (one's peak can also be their floor)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/25 03:49 AM
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Most modern women are to some extent feminist.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 07:42 PM
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Great point, they already had a bunch of sex, don't need marriage for it. While some more chaste women are waiting for a guy they feel safe with to let loose.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 10:50 AM
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But if he can't, he definitely wouldn't want to marry these women who had casual with other guys but refused to with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 10:46 AM
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This is growing pains of equality for men. There is no equality to be found on this subject. It literally does not exist. The basic benchmarks men have to hit to be desirable are astronomically higher relative to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 10:29 AM
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Does that mean us dudes are also allowed to respect women less based on appearance? (I am actually not guilty of doing that unprovoked. Like I get not being attracted to someone, but I don't respect those I'm not attracted to less)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 10:09 AM
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They're only not prepared for failed feminism i.e. feminism that doesn't actually establish social equality and instead just fucks them over. It's women who complain whenever equality is successfully established. They complain about having to pay 50/50, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 07:36 AM
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What credible mechanism exists to absorb or resolve mass male sexual exclusion without producing authoritarian, socially conservative, or far-right political outcomes? It's gonna require unrealistic levels of growing up on both sides. Overall we're probably doomed.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 03:04 AM
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There is no "fantasy", we're already in the middle of the garbage, US young men broke for Trump when previously they were reliably liberal voters.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 03:04 AM
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If this is the feminist-approved solution to the male loneliness epidemic... 😬
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 04:00 AM
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...Unfortunately I couldn't just say, "the guys are just ugly, fat, or short" because that would sound black pill. It's also possible for women to dismiss them for not being confident or charismatic or whatever other personality traits, even if they look fine. Men are simple however, so broadly not appealing to us is definitely a matter of looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 04:37 AM
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Women who date simply accept this reality. We don’t celebrate it, but we acknowledge it and adapt. Because women are passive daters and can just wait to be approached. Meanwhile when a man learns something bad about women, he has to change his whole behavior to accomodate that, if he wants to successfully date. And he can feel that he was misled into prior fruitless efforts by the false narrative he was previously told. But the real question is: Why is it surprising that a 6'5”, blue-eyed, trust…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 03:38 AM
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Explaining that a guy has autism is not an excuse for that man to never learn social skills. Disabilities are disabilities. Autism is a spectrum, some are deeper than others, and not everyone can reach the point where they can properly approach strangers for dating purposes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 03:31 AM
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Pretty much. The real left got the Clintons back good in 2016 though lol. To this day Hillary bitches about Bernie and the "Bernie Bros" not properly supporting her, as if her own husband didn't backstab them first by helping the GOP push through massive bank deregulation and welfare cuts in the 90s.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 06:08 AM
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Yet people demand I support Ukraine. Nah fuck Russia and Ukraine lol. If you can't win a war without a sexist draft then surrender.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 03:35 AM
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Because they're gaslighting liars. Because it suits their Just World Fallacy, despite not making any sense. Personality actually does factor into dating prospects, but people confuse "traits that I'm attracted to" with "traits that make someone a good person".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 01:48 AM
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Sydney Sweeney took a polygraph test to prove that her breasts are real. Guess she really did have great genes. 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 12:40 AM
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The best way to cope with poor interactions with women is to remember that you're a face in the crowd. Women reject most men so it doesn't really matter if you're yet another one. Men creep out women on a regular basis so it doesn't really matter if you accidentally do it. Etc. You're not some uniquely bad guy for this stuff, you're just the standard guy. Don't be paralyzed by perfectionism.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 11:42 PM
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An extremely hot person. A rich person (look at Diddy). A very confident person. Those are basically the only dudes pulling in the year 2025.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 11:29 PM
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No as she'd be depriving herself of the opportunity to find love.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 10:49 PM
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Yet they would complain if our usernames said no ugly women" or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 07:26 AM
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Yeah she actually got punched by a feminist. Been with hundreds of men, gets attacked by a woman instead. Sexual liberation was code for the freedom to fuck Chad. Bonnie Blue instead fucks basically everyone (and not in a way that can be blamed on men i.e. prostitution), breaking the unwritten agreement. There are plenty of reasons to dislike her... But none of them have anything particularly to do with feminism. Yet here we are.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 05:54 AM
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I don't think most average men have experienced the specific type of rejection where you thought someone liked you for who you are, but you find out they actually like you for an entirely ulterior motive. Unless that's what the person said it's just an assumption. A friend wanting to date doesn't mean they don't value you as a person. We're not talking about pump and dumps here, just a dude asking to date. Your claim is a massive conclusion to jump to from there.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 11:21 PM
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this is the values men think women should seek in men, but men don't seek these in women. They do when looking for serious relationships. It's just that many men are not looking for serious relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 10:54 PM
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You're probably not gonna accept these but the analogues are: Complaining about paying for dates vs. complaining about being "used for sex" Bitching about false accusations vs. extreme paranoia about stalking and sexual harassment Creep fears (these are not remotely the same as the above, the above is neurotic cynicism while this is genuine consideration and personal guilt/shame) vs. complaining about men no longer being men and never approaching anymore, going dutch, etc. Complaining about divo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 10:49 PM
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Because red pill women consider that being a divorcee tanks your marriage market value. Also breakup advice is inevitably "increase your n" advice, which they probably also acknowledge as lowering value.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 10:37 PM
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There are so many other things to say about Nick and bro goes for sex life. 💀
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 10:31 PM
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Brutal but based.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 10:30 PM
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Damn they're saying Trump kiddy diddling really is in the Epstein files. I can't believe it bros.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 04:20 AM
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Bonus points if she is specifically fetishizing him.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 01:44 AM
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Dunno why people assume I've always been completely undesirable to women just because I currently am and ragepost about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 01:43 AM
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It's a negative assumption without proper base. You can't read peoples' minds and you are not the lone objective arbitrator of truth. Fact remains that people do that stuff to men's preferences, but are dead silent on women's. In my opinion that's a sexist bias... Though I won't be arrogant enough to assume I can't be wrong on that in some cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 01:30 PM
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Sure wish SEA was a cheat code for all of us. If I randomly ran into some virgin woman that's wife potential right there.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 11:50 AM
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You missed the point right out of the gate, n count is a choice and thus indicative of one's beliefs, height is not. You guys always jump to height even though it is literally genetic and beyond personal control. Never beating the allegations of shallowness.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 10:13 AM
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There are countless people calling it insecure every time this thread pops up. Yet they never have anything to say about women's preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 10:10 AM
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How do people deny AF/BB when there are guys who are just utterly flat out not allowed to have casual sex or wild kinky sex, yet are still considered fine for relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 10:06 AM
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Men are told to approach women. But men are not mind readers. So some of the women they approach will be trash.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 01:07 AM
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Not talking about dating tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 01:06 AM
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"Only a minority of women are like that..." Okay, let's assume that's a fact. How do I avoid approaching the women who are? The way dating works forces men to pursue garbage women...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 01:00 AM
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Ugly and fat women are even more likely to have the problems we complain about regarding lifestyle/disproportionate standards/etc., so they're not a solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 04:33 PM
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Well that's the reality, modern women's standards demand so much work that after the guy's met the bar for sex he doesn't really care about whatever the fuck else she wants. Too much effort. Back in the day when a guy just needed to be nice and have a job to find a woman things were a lot different.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 04:26 PM
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Standards are relative. It's substandard if she's given BJs before. You don't buy a blinking light bulb.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 04:20 PM
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Imagine having given BJs but all of a sudden just not doing do for one's actual husband. Marriage and older relationships in general seem like a scam.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/25 04:19 PM
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