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the men in the sewers... do it for their countrymen not themselves well, they actually do it because it's a job and they get paid which there's no shame in at all, but it's not some selfless act to be employed by the sanitation department
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 07:28 PM
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i just love it so much and i think she is 100% right.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 07:23 PM
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fair enough. sorry, just a knee jerk reaction to that phrasing because i can't stand it when women are dehumanized in that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 07:07 PM
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i'll concede that, i guess that could be one view point for some women. i've never heard a woman say that. and i've never felt myself, that my partner needs to be or seem "better" than me, he needs to be someone i respect and someone who i perceive as having qualities that are superior to other men i've met. but as we all know women aren't a monolith and i'm sure there are some ladies who think a man should be superior to her in some way, whatever superior means in that context.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 07:04 PM
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"it's easy to see how inappropriate touching can happen in that context" it is? not to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 01:45 AM
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i had zero idea of his financial situation when we met, except that he lived in a smallish house with 4 other roommates. one of his roommates was my work friend, that's how we met. he was/is an independent filmmaker. that is not lucrative unless you somehow hit it big. he is super intelligent, and so uniquely hilarious, i felt like a could fully be myself in every way with him which was not the case in my previous relationship. i was/am a reality show story producer making $2,000 a week. i make …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 12:21 AM
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sure, i mean. what would i know? i'm just a woman. who has fallen in love. it wasn't/isn't transactional. and i always made my own money so i could focus on a partner for who he is, not what he makes. i've never heard love described as rational. it makes falling in love sound sort of beige and bland. in my experience it's the opposite of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 10:07 PM
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no not better than them, better than other men
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 09:58 PM
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sorry dawg but a woman who loves you as a person isn't going to pout about getting bigger better gifts
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 09:55 PM
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number 1 is only true if she's interested in your money and not you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 09:27 PM
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i actually think the root of the issue is this --- unless your close female friend is making it abundantly clear that she is sexually and romantically attracted to you, do NOT "confess". i know you're probably thinking "maybe if she just knew how i felt, she'd see me differently" no. 9.5 times out of 10, no. speaking from multiple lived experiences. "maybe she doesn't know how she feels and is open to it". no. she knows how she feels. "but isn't hiding your feelings a bad idea, shouldn't you be …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 08:35 PM
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just control and entitlement, huh? and those..aren't...wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 08:02 PM
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wowee, what's the business position? like to be their boss? i'd be great at that!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 06:28 PM
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i am? wow, that's odd of me considering i'm an adult and i've been ogled by men since i was eleven years old. you'd think i'd have more discernment and awareness.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 06:24 PM
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kramer vs kramer, stepmom, past lives, before sunset, la la land, blue valentine, her, about time, jerry maguire, when harry met sally, the big sick, marriage story
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 05:38 AM
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but it's essentially the same idea as = high body count means she's worthless, low body count or no body count means she's better/special
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 05:30 AM
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leave her alone. she's probably just being nice. if she's not, well she's fresh out of high school and, age -wise you're 6 YEARS out of college.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 05:25 AM
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and then get mad when those non-hoes don't want to f*ck them
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 11:05 PM
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but if a woman wants nothing to do with a man because he's a virgin, is that wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 11:00 PM
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because women are human beings and not just "sl*tty" or "pure" sex entities.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:59 PM
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b*tch wh*re sl*t hag skank easy frigid bimbo piece of ass ballbuster bossy nag You throw like a girl Cry like a bitch She slept her way to the top Women are too emotional to make tough decisions Don’t be such a girl She’s not hot enough to act that way eta - are the downvoters denying that these are all terms and phrases men who hate and/or objectify women use, or...? like would you rather be referred to as a whore or as free food? 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:21 PM
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pretty men have pretty privilege
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 09:57 PM
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"To women, do these men essentially become invisible, despite their good intentions?" not invisible as another human being, but if he's not conveying any interest at all i'm going to assume he's not interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 09:43 PM
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"if one guy treats a woman like a person who has thoughts and feelings, and the other guy treats her like a plastic sex doll he can put in the closet when he's done, why doesn't the woman choose sex doll guy?!"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 09:26 PM
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"it seems to me that, in many cases, women end up falling for the man who is consistently present in their lives—the one who checks in, spends time with them, listens, and gradually becomes part of their everyday routine. Is there any truth to that" this is called showing you care about someone, and both men and women generally respond positively to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 09:22 PM
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is this you displaying the emotional maturity you claim to have?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:46 AM
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wow that really triggered you, huh? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:43 AM
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got it, you don't have an argument to support your position. 👍🏻
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:38 AM
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weird that he hasn't answered /s
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:01 AM
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jeff bezos wife is 56 years old, so not sure what you're talking about there. i have major problems with how madonna seems to target young male dancers. it's weird and wrong. First, feminists hate the idea of men pursuing their desires and getting what they want. lol. what? feminists want societal equality. why do you keep talking about feminists like they're the only ones who have problems with age gaps? This applies even at the level of ordinary people. For example, if a 35 year old single mom…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:59 AM
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teenagers are made legal consenting adults so they can consent to relationships with each other. not so their friend's grandpa can pursue them sexually. emotionally healthy mature people prefer a partner who is more of an equal. emotionally stunted people date people 35 years younger and then get defensive about how it's still "legal". if you had integrity you would not have engaged in this relationship, imo. if you feel good about your life choices, why are you so defensive?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 12:26 AM
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both men and woman are more vulnerable when they're younger simply because of lack of life experience. facing the challenges of entering the workforce are not the same as navigating a sexual relationship with someone who has had way more time on planet earth.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:26 PM
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filling a father figure role eta - go over to the age gap sub and there are plenty of young women being totally honest about trying to fill a father figure role. i didn't just make it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:25 PM
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as they are willing to hook up with a woman decently less attractive than themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:17 PM
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no it doesn't. some guys are chosen for it because the girl is horny and he's convenient. some guys are chosen for it because the woman is attracted enough in the moment but not so attractive that she cares if he judges her. but for women men need to be more attractive for casual. you guys repeat this over and over but it's just not universal and it doesn't really make sense when you scrutinize it. lots of men who are mid, and lower, have casual sex. but for some reason the men not having casual…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:13 PM
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legality is not an arbiter of morality. you are over half a century old. she is a teenager. you are old enough to be her grandfather. by virtue of this, there is a massive power differential between the two of you because you have well over twice the life experience she has. power differentials can be dangerous for the partner with less power. a nineteen year old is legally an adult, but is in a very tender, impressionable stage of life and should be treated with support by older adults, not dat…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 11:03 PM
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i've always felt like the much older person has a moral responsibility to protect the much younger person, even if that younger person is interested, by not indulging in a sexual relationship with them. i could go out and find a 19 year old guy to sleep with right now but i feel that would be deeply unethical. and i'm younger than you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 05:59 PM
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absolutely not. what? when? who? bullsh*t
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 05:54 PM
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women who don't know how to break cycles of abuse or have very little self worth might, not the most desirable women imo
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 05:50 PM
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for sure good thing you won't get a chance to, huh
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 05:29 AM
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i will quite literally lose sexual desire for a man if he is unkind. i go from seeing all his physically beautiful features to seeing all his physical flaws.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 05:26 AM
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if you can't tell your girl that she's not the girl for you, sir
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 05:20 AM
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WOWWWWWWW, dude. remind me to never take one of your posts seriously again. also this genius had a pic of ariel winter in his first image. she's gen z, not even a millennial. everything about it is an absolute mess.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 05:10 AM
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""Men get called a great guy just for watching their own kids." Sure. Women get called great mothers for the exact same thing." no, women do not. what? anecdotal but, when i'm out with my kids with a fellow mom, people might say "oh they are so cute" or something, NEVER "wow you two are great moms for taking care of your children!" my husband and his buddy took our/his respective children out and told us they were told by two different older women that they were amazing fathers for being out and…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 05:08 AM
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sure, bud. 👍🏻 and based on how you talk about women here, if you do get approached by women, you're only going to attract morons who can't tell when they're being condescended to. eta - i watched some of the video you provided. it's embarrassing. "these people are unaware that a dark priest class that holds occult knowledge about the human psyche is wreaking havoc on the human population who don't know a goddamn thing about it." these are the ramblings of a paranoid, deranged mind. why would any…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 04:32 AM
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please explain how it's dishonest and disturbing
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 04:14 AM
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they didn't
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 04:12 AM
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randomly selected orphan you willingly put your penis inside someone who can get pregnant. that's not random, my guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:45 AM
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"in having vapid and inane conversations with no real substance and have no interest in real-world issues or anything deep." newsflash - they weren't that interested in talking to you
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:41 AM
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it sounds like you just want this to be the case to punish men for sleeping with women they don't want to date i've actually never had casual sex because of how weird men are about it but there is a middle ground between casual sex with someone you view as an ugly disposable hole and sex with the intention of a relationship, and that, as far as i've observed, is casual sex where you don't think of the other person as a worthless uggo. you think of them as an attractive person you had a fun exper…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:36 AM
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"using the sex source" lol this might be the least arousing phrase i have ever read. i can't imagine why you're striking out so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:10 AM
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so nothing desperate in seeking sex with sexually attractive women. we're talking about hideous cave trolls not worth a LTR here, man. scraping the bottom of the barrel so OP can impress actually attractive women, who he considers human and not subhuman golems, by not mistaking their butthole for their vagina during sex or whatever. what isn't sexually arousing about that for the gross "uggos" he would deign to touch with his lil wienie?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:05 AM
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same with women, even though the guys here seem convinced that if they're chosen for casual sex it means they're handsome, sexual dynamos.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 01:56 AM
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"it's not hard to cite feminists who have had institutional clout saying hateful things about men" great! do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 01:43 AM
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"I believe that lowering your standards for casual fun helps remind men that sex/relationships aren't some unattainable goal...you are aiming for a woman that is worth it and not just taking any woman that is willing...men should sleep with some uggos" where do all of us lucky ladies sign up for this?!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 01:41 AM
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empathy and intelligence aren't unsexy. it's something else about him.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 01:22 AM
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can you give one specific example of a "mainstream feminist"? like, a person's name?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:45 AM
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i've never had casual sex, but that makes zero sense. choosing someone to be your person generally means a hell of a lot more than choosing some guy who was available when you were horny.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 02:30 AM
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omg thank you. "squirting" is not always indicative of an orgasm. it can actually just be a weak pelvic floor, or women just peeing and calling it squirt like in most of the squirt porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 11:44 PM
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i enjoyed the emotional journey i went on reading this debate, as it became clear that OP meant orgasm and not ejaculation, and he was talking about women coming too quickly, and all the confusion that ensued from there.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:38 PM
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the original post actually said that she did. once she realized they had no future she broke up with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:33 PM
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right. she didn't end up with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:30 PM
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most people are much more idealistic about sex and romance when they're younger. i'm sorry the realities of dating and attraction were so devastating to you, but that kind of disillusionment is super common. i was dreaming of finding my soulmate as a teen until i was informed by all of planet earth that young guys want to sleep with every girl they see, and to be super wary of their interest and intentions. it definitely dashed my fantasy of what i thought a relationship could be like. There are…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 05:45 AM
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why the fuck would we go through all this buildup and then torture ourselves with never getting to touch and be sexual with each other?' you understand now though that it was only torture to you? if they wanted to sleep with you they would have. as i said in another comment, young women can have lots of flirty sexual friendships, they're not particularly special or rare. in fact, when you're a young woman most eligible guys will try to steer the conversation toward sex/dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 04:30 AM
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This is a cool experience I'm glad I got to have. i think the issue here might be that you are only focused on your own experience and (generally) people who love their partner also try to keep their partner's feelings and expectations in mind,
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 04:12 AM
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"I had put in what felt like so much effort, and it was all for naught." as a former high school and college girl, i don't think your incredulousness was evil, just naive. at least in my experience, male/female friendships during that era of life, if you're both single, are often flirtier and closer than at any other time. so while you're methodically building interest and "putting in so much effort" they probably have a couple of other guy friends or potential love interests that they also have…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 03:59 AM
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for some reason a bunch of these guys think that a woman agreeing to be in a committed, exclusive relationship with a man is not as big of a compliment toward the man as him being used and discarded for casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 10:45 PM
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"Women settle for money, status, fame, comfort, safety, control, and so on" money? status? fame? we're talking about the millions upon millions of average straight couples. "A relationship is not proof of love" sure, but it's not an indicator of a lack of love, like you're suggesting, either. "Men settle by agreeing to humiliating, and exploitative "relationships" where her money is her money, and his money is her money, where she wears the pants in the relationship and bosses him around, and he…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 10:30 PM
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she was being flirty and sexy, that doesn't mean sex is just a given.
/r/seduction20/07/26 06:24 AM
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her: (batting cage subtext) i'm interested and i like the flirting but let's do something fun, public, and not super sexual to get to know each other on a first date. you: come over to my home her: sigh. no thanks.
/r/seduction20/07/26 06:20 AM
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i do think that women are most attracted to a man who loves himself and his life. if he seems desperate like he NEEDS her to complete his life, a lot of young women will get turned off. they want to be a part of the life of someone they respect (that doesn't mean he can never show emotion, just being super eager at the beginning doesn't work for everyone), as they are also building a life they love. when you see a man who loves himself, a lot of women will want to love him too. and honestly it w…
/r/seduction20/07/26 12:45 AM
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😎 whew okay fair enough. cherries?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 12:39 AM
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at least in the US ,she would have been a HIGH SCHOOL SOPHOMORE and he would be a grown man out of COLLEGE for at least two years. i'm glad she doesn't feel traumatized by it but a 25 year old man is out of college, in the work force, and should naturally be as far away from high school students as possible. a 16 year old is nowhere near that level of maturity. he for sure took advantage of her youth and inexperience. an adult man with a teenager is never about his love for her and always about …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 12:37 AM
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they have everything for young men to enjoy
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 12:30 AM
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would "me lord" work?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 12:29 AM
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i hope you're not insinuating that he would be dishonest about something /s
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 12:27 AM
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strawberries
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 12:26 AM
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"This is a Radical Idea to Women Here." no.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 11:00 PM
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lolllll honestly, not only are they evil misogynistic losers but they are also total dorks
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 09:25 PM
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i'm short and i have a pretty nice body, i'm not winning any contests or anything but it's still aesthetically pleasing
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 09:23 PM
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i can't get over jennifer lopez being 56. she's some kind of ageless sorceress.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 09:19 PM
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walk outside and look at all the couples that are comparable in looks and income. on dating apps a small percentage of male profiles get a disproportionate amount at attention because women are pickier swipers and all they have to go on are very surface level attributes. there's way more nuance in actual dating and attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 08:47 PM
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i love my children very very much. i would never wish for a world without them in it. however, having them was a MASSIVE shift in my life in every way. we had to spend tens of thousands of dollars on IVF. the birth of my first was very traumatic. i had severe preeclampsia. massive blood loss. had to be put on pitocin, magnesium sulfate. had an emergency c-section. healing was a nightmare. my doctor instructed me to feed the baby every 1.5 hours 24 hours a day for the first week. so i got no slee…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 05:08 PM
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Most women in relationships are not attracted to their partners source? Women only pick the top 10-5-1% of men on dating apps dating apps are not representative of all dating. women are going to be pickier there because all they have to go on are some pics and a small bit of info.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 03:49 AM
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yes, as i said, men who didn't understand the sentiment either dismissed it or got offended. it wasn't a literal question about wildlife. it was a thought experiment about fear, and trust, and the unpredictability of an unknown person's behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 03:36 AM
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it's not about assuming every man would do that. that's totally illogical. why would you think that? it's just the idea that it happens often enough that women don't want to take the chance. it didn't set feminism back. lots of men understood the sentiment and moved on with their lives. the men who didn't understand it and took it personally were probably never empathetic toward women anyway. You literally make every man to be the villain and then wonder why they won't support your causes. lots …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 01:35 AM
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i'm a mom and am extremely aware of the prevalence of female middle school and high school teachers who prey on young boys. trust no one.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 01:26 AM
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That would literally change the whole world, because it would by default mean that most relationships are loveless it doesn't mean that women don't end up with men they're attracted to, just that we're not exactly getting whiplash from all the hotties we see out in the world ETA - just realized my wording was way off and the opposite of what i meant. fixed it. i think.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 01:06 AM
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see the bear will just kill you, not make a concerted effort to take away our bodily autonomy and basic rights. do you get it now?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 12:51 AM
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That bear stuff single-handedly set feminism back a good 10 years if not more. how? it was a comment on sexual assault. i saw a clip where a group of men are asked if they'd rather be trapped in the woods with a bear or Diddy. and they finally got it. the fact that quite a few men took it personally and were incapable of seeing the point has nothing to do with feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 12:48 AM
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feeling sad about getting cheated on or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 12:34 AM
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doesn't make any logical sense though since women have jobs and men have hands to clean
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 11:35 PM
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let me make sure i'm understanding you, you think women are willfully participating in sex that does nothing for them in order to go complain about it? women would rather have good sex. but women will have mediocre to bad sex for a few reasons 1.) it's a new guy and they didn't know it would be bad 2.) in order to maintain a relationship and not hurt the man's ego 3. fear of what will happen if they don't have sex with someone demanding it, and more. bad to mediocre sex for a woman generally doe…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 10:53 PM
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exactly. so for women, no sex is better than the bad sex they're having. men seem to be the ones who think any sex is better than none.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 09:37 PM
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if someone can't find a compatible partner to share their life with that doesn't mean they're not sexually attracted to an entire gender
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 09:34 PM
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they choose peace over a bad partner
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 08:44 PM
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bad sex is better than no sex is pretty much just a guy thing
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 08:43 PM
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lol that or female heterosexuality works differently than male heterosexuality
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 08:17 PM
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several decades?! i wish.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 08:05 PM
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because the majority of writers and directors are male and they can't fathom how an older woman could possibly be interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 08:01 PM
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so money is masculine, and cleaning is feminine to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:43 PM
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"we expect sluts to put out' lol yeah, you hear that ladies! this guy means business! "we expect you to carry your basic feminine duty if we are to provide the masculine" meaning what?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 05:59 PM
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most women have jobs too and still end up doing more housework.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 05:53 PM
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that's because when the draft was instituted, women were seen as inferior fighters. it wasn't about protecting us. eta - in the US
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 05:40 PM
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women say that looks aren't the most important, or the only, thing that inspire sexual attraction, not that they don't matter at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 04:09 PM
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2.5 - the man is making masculine noises, grunting, moaning, heavy breathing, whispers something filthy in my ear 🤩 eta - women can totally fake any and all pleasure during sex. i do not endorse it but it is more than possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 02:32 AM
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i'm so grateful my mom told me, when i was young, that a man wanting to have sex with you means absolutely nothing about his feelings, regard, or even attraction to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 10:37 PM
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lol it's crazy. i also remember (when pregnant) buying a scented candle and the fragrance registered as SO intense i was like what kind of monster would create a candle this evil!?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 10:22 PM
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So much women use this excuse to justify not having sex with their beta-bux boyfriends on why they happily did anal and blowjobs with their previous bf's but not them. do they though? do they? i've never ever talked to my female friends about this. like, this being common behavior in women is not something that is known or discussed in women's conversations, like, ever. it seems like a very online male concern. "hey ladies, you know how you purposefully withhold fun sex from your boyfriend even …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 10:17 PM
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it's just not ever going to be this simplistic. you're talking about women's lives like they're programmed characters. plenty of women are down and dirty with their longterm boyfriends/husbands. saying you want to be the toxic ex? the one she regrets? the one who treated her badly? because you think her sexual boundaries will be easier to push? barf.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 09:26 PM
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"Except I and many men would want a Partner who'd do sex acts with me they don't usually like to please us or out of fear of losing us." wooooowwwwwwww. that is repulsive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 09:08 PM
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my hormones went bonkers when i was pregnant and various smells made me physically ill. it's a thing!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 09:04 PM
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i get it. and obviously if a discerning woman who has waited for commitment in the past, has no interest in you because you haven't always waited for commitment, you'll support and understand that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 08:55 PM
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lol "most" women human beings are generally more experimental and wilder when they're young, it's not specifically a woman thing
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 08:42 PM
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right? my dad was liberal as hell and he used to rebuild old muscle cars as a hobby.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 07:15 PM
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I just implore women to accept the fact that what they SAY they want in a man, and what they DO want in a man are usually pretty different, and that smart men like myself are just getting tired of seeing that play out. every close friend i have is liberal and married to/dating a liberal man. some of those men are fit, some of those men are not, some of those men make lots of money, some don't. "But I've been rejected by almost every intelligent, liberal/leftist women I've ever approached, despit…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 07:12 PM
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"An ex said that she hates giving head, though she has had great experiences and a great deal of fun giving head in the past she wouldn’t for me only vaginal or even anal sex. Her partner after us she had no problem giving head to isn’t that somewhat insulting? Or can anyone see why that could be interpreted as one?" i'm not saying there is at all, but did this make you wonder if there was something wrong/unappealing about your genitals? because that's where my mind would go (about myself) if th…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 07:01 PM
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seriously. the men on here, being convinced that they're the good guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:54 PM
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you weren't aware that different people have different sexual chemistries and compatibilities?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:27 PM
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what? do you want a woman to wait for commitment or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:24 PM
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wait, what? are you saying that, instead of just accepting someone you're dating making you feel less than, you could...not accept it and walk away?! what? you mean, he could decide by himself that he doesn't want to wait that long and date other women?! 😱
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:22 PM
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"A real scenario is I had a partner that spent years being some dirty fuckers “living fuck doll for years” (her own words not mine) from the start till the end. But for me she wanted to impose a six month rule. And it gave me pause. Why make me wait? " she didn't explain her thinking behind you guys waiting? she said i was a fuck doll but not for you, and you didn't ask why?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:14 PM
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need more context. happy tears? sad tears because she doesn't feel the same way about you? idk
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:59 PM
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find the phrase "let you hit" revolting but that's me. no, i know some men want to see a woman sleeping with them as some huge validation of his desirability etc but sometimes women just get horny and fuck whoever they deem "acceptable" enough for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:57 PM
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if it's coming from another straight woman she's just hyping her up. she's not actually viewing the other woman as a sex object.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 05:54 PM
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The divide here is not male/female its attractive/unattractive. it totally is. LOTS of conventionally attractive women are told to give less attractive men a chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 09:18 PM
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"Its undeniable that Feminism has enabled the sex industry" it has? how so? "many of the political and cultural taboos of progressive society are completely allowed when it comes to the sex industry, whether its racism, incest, misogyny, 🍇," what does any of that have to do with feminism? "There are underage girls today literally seeing this as a viable "career" option, and you can thank feminism." yes, we all know the movement where feminists rioted in the streets to support *checks notes* a wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:09 PM
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lolll omg yes, justin waller makes women as dry as the sahara
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 05:53 PM
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in the clip you posted she never says that she wouldn't do this for her husband. she says women should practice on a dildo or a banana before doing it on a man and mentions husbands in that sentiment. is there another clip where she actually says that?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 05:46 PM
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All women must be ugly in media appealing to men. there's been a movement toward more normal looking women characters because of the overly sexualized way they were drawn, and depicted for, well, ever. you still have margot robbie playing harley quinn, zoe kravitz as catwoman, scarlett johansson as black widow, gal gadot as wonder woman., elizabeth olson as scarlet witch. not exactly a group of uggos. Men just glancing at a women in a gym or street is weird and evil. fun hyperbole. you mean men …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 05:37 PM
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women say that looks aren't the only thing, or not the most important thing. that's not the same thing as not caring at all about looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:35 PM
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no. interesting that in your hypothetical example the woman is beautiful and the man isn't. You might be a hot slim blonde Stacy and you hit it off on the app with a random guy very curious to know if any men would use an app where they can't see the woman until they meet. 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:32 PM
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The man is polite, strong, and aloof. The woman blushes, demonstrates emotional interest, and acts something out from instinct that is inherently seductive to the man. this sounds like how characters meet in some old movies you've seen. what is the real life basis for this? and you're blaming this situation no longer existing on... feminism?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 05:52 AM
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Men are ostracized for stating a preference for any physical trait on a woman. by whom? certainly not by other men. i've had a lot of male friends over the various eras of my life and, in my experience, plenty of men's favorite topic of conversation with other men is which women are the hottest, and the specific physical traits that make her hot. edit-grammar
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 05:21 AM
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i knew it was just a matter of time before a guy brought up being dragged for not wanting to date a fat woman. "everyone gets mad when i say i don't like fat women!!" actually everyone knows that most men don't like fat women. so when men announce it, everyone is like "this again? keep it to yourself". anyone, man or woman, who tells you to kill yourself for any reason, is a monster and not indicative of either gender as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:54 PM
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"he might be nice" is a pretty common thing women are told when they express not being attracted enough to a man to date him. because women are more likely to be attracted to someone as a sum of all their parts, and not just physically, people will use that and be like, 'hey don't be shallow, he might be nice!" that kind of thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:44 PM
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lol oh my god the idea of a man being told "hey give her a chance, she might be a great person", in the same way girls and women are about men, is just so funny because we all know men would scoff at the very idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:31 PM
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people can lose the attraction they once had to someone. you're attracted to a man. then you see he uses a frisbee as a plate instead of turning on the dishwasher, and the attraction begins to dwindle.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 05:31 PM
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that's interesting. i've never been on an app but isn't it possible that you just don't see anyone that strikes your fancy? like, can't you look on there and think, huh, no one is really intriguing me at the moment, maybe i'll check back in a month. rather than, i MUST pick the "best" option from what i'm seeing now?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 04:49 PM
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most women hate being referred to as "females" fyi
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 04:42 PM
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my son and daughter are both screeching with hysterical laughter while making a marble play set city right now. and generally they are both adorable, deranged, maniacs.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 04:16 PM
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did they say in what sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 04:12 PM
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just in the initial dating phases right? because once you're actually in the relationship women tend to love romance and romantic gestures. i think this might be a symptom of women (generally speaking) having more options. being super romantic and fully focused on her can read as coming on too strong/love bombing/desperation/just trying to get laid, before you know the man better. men are not as used to being pursued/wooed so it would most likely feel more novel. i don't think that means men are…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 04:11 PM
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"Does it bother you when an "unselected man" insists that there's no such thing as good women, and that's why he's single?" no because we all know there are good women and that's absurd. the stuff on this sub that bothers me is more like "feminists don't want men to orgasm because of misandry" or some such nonsense. ah, so you inferred that these women are saying "there's no such thing as a good man" rather than "i'm done trying to find one"?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:17 AM
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why does a woman choosing to be single bother you? what do you care? eta - "some ladies i'll never meet or know want to avoid bad relationships and that makes me bitter as hell" 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 12:02 AM
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no, insisting these women just can't find a male partner who wants them, and that's why they're single, is men protecting their egos.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 11:54 PM
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sure. you could always just push back against misogynistic men because it's the right thing to do and not because there's some "incentive".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 11:48 PM
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The point is the fact that men that are attractive enough have no real reason to treat women well as long as women still date them and fuck them, and women who date and fuck misogynistic and abusive men are, in fact, at least some what complicit to this by means of not providing any negative incentive to these men to stop that behavior. you're right that's WAY different than "rewarding". 👀
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 10:53 PM
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nope 🤷🏻‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 10:08 PM
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you're saying that a woman in the midst of dating a misogynistic man, is fully aware that he is misogynistic, what that means and all that it entails, continues to date him, and calls upon "nicer" men to pushback against her own boyfriend's behavior? that doesn't follow any kind of logic. your initial post sounds like the usual "women reward bad men with dates and sex" gripe that pops up here all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 09:49 PM
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not in my life experience as a human woman, being friends with many other human women over the course of my life. sorry. lol. example?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 09:18 PM
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"Women want men to hold other men accountable for their misogynistic behavior towards women, but women continue to date men that are misogynists and abuse women." what if, the women who are trying to call out and pushback against misogynistic behavior, and the women who date abusive misogynists, aren't the same women? eh?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 09:06 PM
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example?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 09:04 PM
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what do you consider a romantic man? also eta - lol no
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 08:55 PM
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women do try to help our female friends who date abusive scumbags and/or repeat those cycles of abuse, but you cannot make someone see something until they're ready.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 08:29 PM
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zendaya seems too self-possessed and intelligent to be the average man's celebrity crush. she also doesn't have any extra prominent sexual characteristics like huge breasts or a big butt, and she doesn't need them i think she's gorgeous, that tends to make the biggest impression on the straight male folks.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 08:21 PM
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lupita nyong'o is sooooo beautiful! <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 06:17 PM
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it's subjective 🤷🏻‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 06:07 PM
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you don't have to be woke and liberal to find black women with perfect bone structure attractive, babe
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 06:03 PM
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like a dog or a child, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 05:59 PM
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not to me! they're both gorgeous. the blond lady is cute as a button but nothing particularly special IMO
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 05:57 PM
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they have convoluted nonsensical plots that spit in the face of much of the pre-existing cannon. terrible CG instead of puppetry. midochlorians?! the phantom menace is ostensibly for kids with super young anakin and the pod race but then there's a whole plot with political bureaucracy? siggghhh.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 05:16 PM
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but you can call me and vent and i'll listen and support you, and i don't have any interest in astrology, my favorite activity is taking a gummy and watching a movie, so we can do that and i'll make sure i've got that snack you really like and we can talk about how our family dynamics affected our outlook on life, or we can just share inside jokes and shoot the sh*t. and we can order a ton of actually really good sushi for both of us for like $70, from a place i know. anyway, that's this lady's …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 03:46 PM
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love owen gray and small hands
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 03:28 PM
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already a big fan of dane jones and bellesa 👍🏻
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 03:28 PM
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yup. my top 5 are empire, new hope, return of the jedi, the last jedi (yep!), rogue one
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 03:25 PM
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saying that the prequels are the best ones is deeply upsetting to me and i can't even...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 03:23 PM
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that's what toys are for
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 11:16 PM
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fuckboys aren't known for their honesty and integrity in dating. could it be they are often (not always) leading the women to believe it could evolve into something more?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 11:12 PM
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okay, i watched a good portion of the video and his personality comes across as pretty boring. his profile says he's an actor. a lot of women aren't going to like the instability of that. also on his profile it says that he just wants something short term. and it says that "we're the same type of weird if: you think empire strikes back is peak star wars". empire and a new hope are objectively (i'll fight you) the best star wars movies. so that's in no way "weird". the archetypes you described do…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 11:10 PM
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that doesn't really matter to me though, i want to see the man's face, and his micro-expressions and hear his noises. i'm straight so the man does not have to be super handsome, just not gross to me, and i want to see his every move. i also have my favorites like robby apples and nathan bronson who are conventionally attractive. so they're my go-tos. eta - you'd be surprised how much they cut the guy's face out at the best moments and you just see his torso but see the full woman, it's a bummer
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 05:19 PM
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nothing to do with ethics, there just isn't as big of a market for you. but there are men who have gotten rich off of OF, just the majority of their patrons are gay men. top male OF creators if men were ethical they wouldn't show up by the thousands to participate in bonnie blue's videos. and who do you think the "poor trafficked women" are trafficked by?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 05:04 PM
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on one hand i hear you, being this straightforward leaves no room for gray area. and ultimately that can only be a good thing for consent, etc. but romantic feelings, especially in the getting-to-know-you phase, can develop and evolve. like, hypothetically, what if this woman did really like him based on the first date and she's thinking, i want to get to know him a little bit better on the second date, to make sure he is who he seems to be and if that goes well, it's on? and he's like just fyi,…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 04:37 PM
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you're saying that when a man just wants sex from a woman and she says no, that was actually him rejecting her first? i think women understand that when a man just wants sex that means he's not serious about her. that's pretty widely known.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 02:56 AM
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thx for that. huh, could be wrong of course but this sounds, to me, like someone who is not very socially savvy. he is SO straight forward, with no self-consciousness at all about what he's saying, that he sounds like he's perhaps on the spectrum. this doesn't sounds to me like he didn't enjoy the first date necessarily, more like he has some kind of personal policy to not continue pursuing something unless he's sure there's sexual compatibility. that's a fair enough policy i guess but not every…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 12:02 AM
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making sure i understand your post. a guy left a voicemail letting a woman he went on a first date with that he isn't interested in her unless she wants to have sex. some people were dragging him for it? but you're saying it's essentially a good thing because he was upfront about his intentions?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 11:37 PM
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yes i definitely have enjoyed the physical contact and sensation, if i hadn't i wouldn't have wanted to sleep with him at all
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 09:02 PM
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"Ah yes so society simultaneously hates women for wanting sex. While also encouraging women to... sexualize themselves. " yes! exactly. women aren't encouraged to have sex. women are encouraged to "keep their legs closed", because they think women are the "gatekeepers of sex" and have to keep everyone in line. society generally wants women to be sexually beautiful and sexy without actually being super sexual or promiscuous. sexually appealing but extremely discerning.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 08:38 PM
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huh, that's interesting. when i was with my first partner i faked it occasionally because i didn't yet know what i liked or what worked with a partner. and he didn't really know how to help me figure that out, which is okay we were both young. but i definitely wanted to have sex with him, it just didn't always lead a real orgasm.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 08:09 PM
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considering the fact that men would feel better if their girlfriends and wives told them how to pleasure them ,instead of assuming the man can read their minds and know exactly how to pleasure them. you'd be shocked at how defensive some men can get if you try to communicate that you like something different than what they're doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 06:31 PM
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Why the hell would anyone rationally fake an orgasm and continue having pleasure-less sex with a partner and feel the guilt of lying to them? When they can tell their partner how to pleasure them? Again this bizarre mindset makes no sense. it's often more difficult for women to orgasm than men just based on how our anatomies are structured. i don't endorse faking orgasms. but generally the reason women fake orgasms is because whatever is going on is not quite working for her but she doesn't want…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 06:24 PM
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are you basically just asking if women get horny?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 10:46 PM
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because riley reid looks like the cute little teenage girl next door while doing bonkers sexual acts with gusto
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 10:41 PM
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The consequences of taking about my feelings are negative and not outweighted by the benefits. you don't talk to your partner of 10 years about your feelings? also this - He understands you don’t want it, but you should just do it. It’s a service to be provided. Correct wowee, i'm sure you're aware of how repulsive this will be to so many people, congratulations.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 01:23 AM
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this is nightmarish beyond belief my god this poor man sometimes it feels like the human race doesn't deserve to make it
/r/MensRights10/07/26 12:55 AM
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"In my experience men “behave” better and are more open to emotional connection when they are getting regular sex. They’re nicer, more pleasant to be around, more romantic… a lack of sex will cause friction in a relationship for most men. " but doesn't that kind of point to men caring more about sex than emotional connection? as long as sex is frequent, they are kinder and more open to emotional connection. if it's not they will withdraw from it and create friction until the frequency is restore…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:48 AM
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Men would rather sexually coerce (rape) their wives than leave them That's a hell of an accusation which sounds like it has no basis in reality. i know that sounds really incendiary but amidst all the totally valid/not problematic posts over on r/DeadBedrooms at least once a week a guy posts about having his wife perform duty sex to placate him. so they literally do that instead of leaving. it's unsettling. edit - grammar, formatting
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 12:17 AM
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"I want her to do the work to figure out what specifically it is about me that's hanging her up about having sex with me... and maybe take a few steps to try and get herself back to whatever version of herself wanted me in the first place" that's so interesting that the thought process would be, "she needs to figure out what's wrong with her" rather than "i wonder if there's anything wrong with me". as someone who struggles with guilt and self recrimination, this mindset is just, well, mind-bogg…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 11:59 PM
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lol deep wells of empathy seem much more likely to you than procreation? seems clear, based on current human behavior, that it's a mixture of both.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 05:15 PM
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the lack of physical safety concerns seems so freeing being encouraged to try and get/have sex rather than being judged about how when where who and why you chose to have sex with someone never being expected to wax your privates
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 07:05 PM
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jeez, who knows, maybe women would have exercised enough caution to design it with enough lifeboats for everyone in the first place men like to have sex with women and make babies with women = big incentive to keep women alive and healthy
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 06:27 PM
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not being sexually attracted to someone doesn't mean you're prejudiced against them it just means you're not attracted to them
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 06:20 PM
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"Any man, especially a man who has wealth whenever he says he wants a prenup to protect his pre martial assets, to get protection from paternity fraud or whatever in case the marriage fails is met with "you dont trust me", "so, you think the marriage is gonna fail" or "you planning on leaving me" or something similar. " no they aren't, lots of women sign prenups with no problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 03:08 PM
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yep, you're right about the titanic ratios of survival and wrong about everything else. also, random thought but, men designed, built and navigated the titanic...did they do a good job protecting everyone or..? you're assuming A LOT if you think empathy was the only reason for these amorphous "historical" men to keep the women in their groups alive and healthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 11:31 PM
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"your gender needs emotional conditioning and cuddling before you brains consider using logic." this is factually incorrect and loaded with disdain which is an emotion.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 10:31 PM
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there is no consensus in psychology that either gender operates "more emotionally" or "more logically/rationally"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 10:27 PM
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exactly, and he was on there complaining as if she's his only outlet for sex so poor him, but it's like, uhhhh, sir? we can literally see all your actual outlets listed.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 10:17 PM
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the male only draft was created because women were seen as less capable fighters not because men decided to keep us safe "Throughout the vast majority of history, physical strength was by far the biggest key to survival." no, not for human beings. it's important but intelligence, knowledge, working in cooperation with other humans, were just as important to humanity's survival. "Thus, it became vital to share resources with women" in hunter gatherer societies women and men both procured resource…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:58 PM
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one guy who posted the other day had a post history full of meet ups with escorts in his town.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 06:02 PM
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swinging and sex clubs are real ofc but a lot of the insane zeal that you see from women in porn is because they are being paid and making it look like they love every angle, and every different guy they work with etc, is part of their literal job. so, sure, they're are women in this world who are voyeurs, who are into swinging, etc but your average women, with a job, paying bills, being an adult is not preoccupied at her desk planning her next threesome or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 05:12 PM
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be funny. it's a superpower.
/r/seduction05/07/26 11:35 PM
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so you're really asking how promiscuous the women here are and where you can find a woman who isn't?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 10:31 PM
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you will never see a man on this sub pearl-clutch harder than when he is asked to deign to even think about overweight women's existence
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 09:02 PM
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what do the 1950s have to do with accountability? this is just nonsensical snark.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 08:21 PM
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"And I know if I wasn't giving a bit of a pass on because of them being female, those relationships would probably end, and end with some kind of upset emotional outburst in my direction." what kind of behavior are we talking about here?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 08:14 PM
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"nobody ever talks about this because it makes women look bad" i think you'll find that a woman having to limit her life in these ways, in order to avoid sexual violence at the hands of a man, actually makes men look pretty bad
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 05:54 AM
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"It’s sad that someone would take those experiences and let it fester to the point that they have a seething hatred and inherently pessimistic view of 50% of the world’s population." that would be sad but it didn't make me hate all men, it just taught me to be wary.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 05:27 AM
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"Most i can see woman are at average more greater bums as men, have less interesting hobbys, nag more and have less life goals." this makes me laugh so hard. okay, lol, so you are so boring that you only know boring women? but that is somehow the problem of all women? yeesh dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 03:13 AM
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i'm so with you. it seems like some of these men, on the sub, cannot conceive of the empty, scary, loneliness you can feel as a young women when you realize you are a commodity in the same way a new car is a commodity. you know that you are a full person with thoughts, dreams, desires etc. these guys see you as a fleshlight. men with no empathy hear that and think "gee whiz i'd love to just be a human dildo!" sure you would, for women. if things got weird you could physically fight your way out …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 01:34 AM
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i feel extremely confident saying that the majority of young women are not sexually interested in much older men. not wanting an old man's penis in your vagina when you're 21 years old doesn't make you ageist.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:54 AM
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if you didn't want to have sex with a haggard old lady does that mean you don't like sex at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:48 AM
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i haven't experienced that but ok
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:47 AM
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i called them bizarre interactions for a reason
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 08:38 PM
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"it's also a small price to pay for the perks of being a woman" according to you. not according to my lived experience. i've been followed around grocery stores, target, around a parking deck, had a man i considered an uncle type figure ask me on a date, was insanely sexually harassed by the owners at a company where i worked (and i was not the only one). plenty of older men purposefully try to intimidate younger women to feel a sense of power. it's confusing and upsetting when you're just a you…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 08:35 PM
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i do hear you. and i also never get pissed off that a reasonably polite and well intentioned man of any age is attracted to me and expressing it. but i was remembering what it was like to be a very young woman and having men old enough to be my grandpa saying wildly inappropriate things. being pushy, sometimes scary, and there are men who will absolutely be way more out of pocket when you're in your teens and early 20's. it's enough to make you a bit angry about the whole situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 04:04 PM
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these men don't just "pursue" there were legitimately inappropriate, upsetting things they said and did.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:47 PM
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"power and opportunity and choice you get" "and being able to sit back and simply pick and choose" this is your fantasy version of what it's like to be a young women. it's not. here's an example from when i was 20 years old - a married man of at least 50 came into the place i was working, i had to be polite because it was my job, but he started telling me he had a son my age, etc, then - out of nowhere - he told me the uniform i had to wear was a real shame because you couldn't see my body shape…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:43 PM
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generally i'm wary of age gap relationships but i've noticed your comments a few times and it seems like you and your GF have a great connection and love each other. that's wonderful, congratulations. (i am being totally genuine and not snarky at all, hard to convey that online sometimes)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:44 AM
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no because they sleep in separate rooms.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:31 AM
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this is such a sad-sack pitiful statement. "sorry you've noticed something older men do that's insanely delusional, hopefully you'll find the peace you need to accept that men good and women bad, sad young lady who's tired of old men making their libidos her problem 🙏🏻." "One day I will be an old man and my wife will still love me and find me attractive." this is about old men who think really young women think they're physically hot. what are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:30 AM
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a young woman is allowed to be fed up with old men thinking they have a shot with her if she wants to and that doesn't make her "bitter". my god you have NO CLUE what it's like to be an attractive young woman and all the insanely delusional dick being thrown at you. when i was a younger women my friends and i would swap stories about all the bizarre interactions we had with older men and how annoying it was to have someone that your own mother wouldn't even see as a desirable option try to hit o…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:23 AM
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you being mad at women for something men wrote
/r/MensRights03/07/26 01:53 AM
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haha, my bad. thank you. edited it to be BC.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 03:27 PM
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your scolding tone is very funny. since you still haven't provided one single woman in the media whose coverage on supergirl you're annoyed with, i'll take that as an admission that there isn't one
/r/MensRights02/07/26 03:26 PM
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i didn't say they don't count i asked you all to explain why you're mad at women for something a man wrote there's no logical reasoning but i wasn't expecting any, just thought i'd try
/r/MensRights02/07/26 03:16 PM
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I'M trying to make the facts fit MY existing bias? but you're not doing that right? 😏
/r/MensRights02/07/26 03:16 PM
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🙂
/r/MensRights02/07/26 03:10 PM
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literally what? you're mad at women for a fire that male reporters are stoking. it makes no sense.
/r/MensRights02/07/26 02:04 AM
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this is the title of this post "If you have to use Money or Status to attract a Women she just doesnt like you that much"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 01:31 AM
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lol i surely do. OPs whole point is that if a woman truly desires you PHYSICALLY, your salary doesn't matter. and you linked a study about how more money doesn't make you physically more desirable. you might be perceived as a more "attractive" life partner but not actually more attractive if she just saw you walking down the street.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 01:28 AM
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well both articles were written by men. so take it up with your fellow man? like, literally what women are you mad at about this? i just want the logical answer a naturally logical mind would provide. ETA - getting downvoted without one single rebuttal lol
/r/MensRights02/07/26 01:11 AM
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but isn't it possible something was already "broken" (don't like that term because hey consenting adults is all good) and that is what led to a huge amount of casual sex? not that they started from the same emotional base as someone who waits for marriage and then somehow went haywire, slept with a bunch of people and only then, are they less inclined to be committed to one person? it doesn't seem to follow logically for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 01:05 AM
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i read the study and i feel like it actually lends credence to OPs point. women had physical attributes they found attractive "Greater height, lower body adiposity and greater shoulder-to-waist ratio (SWR) or chest-to-waist ratio (CWR), indicating optimal levels of upper body muscularity are consistently rated by females as more physically attractive " -- that were consistent. now, once you attach the salary of the men, if they make more money, they are considered more attractive partners. but a…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 01:00 AM
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but not just for women obv
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:33 AM
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i hear you but i feel like we've got a chicken before the egg type scenario here. are the people on this earth with really high body counts already predisposed in some way to not wanting a committed relationship? or did the high BC somehow change them?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:31 AM
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got it, thanks. i mean, i give zero credibility to the new york times or to fox but that's me
/r/MensRights02/07/26 12:24 AM
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"When women put the onus of their “flops” on men, they are saying they can’t be successful without men’s support." did you see a specific article or something where a female reporter was blaming men? men are still, if not by all that much, the majority gender who shows up for super hero movies. maybe that's why men not seeing it gets brought into the conversation? eta - as a super hero movie fan myself i just don't think moviegoing people have ever cared that much about supergirl it's just not t…
/r/MensRights02/07/26 12:15 AM
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i've also seen "future difficulty pair bonding" used as a way to shame women who are into casual sex
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 11:04 PM
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how is he the problem? he's not the problem. she's clearly the problem and a murderer. again what does that have to do with feminism? because feminists don't think people should be raped? people shouldn't be raped.
/r/MensRights01/07/26 05:58 PM
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what does feminism have to do with this psycho killing her boyfriend?
/r/MensRights01/07/26 05:14 PM
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but, isn't the person calling him gay a dude?
/r/MensRights01/07/26 05:13 PM
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"A 120k bridal gift for the pregnancy itself," what's this mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:12 PM
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the average woman does not believe every man is a rapist otherwise society would cease to function i'm talking about women actually feeling unsafe. plenty of women do, from their own life experiences. what you seem to be talking about is someone vindictive going after an innocent person for spite. and that is not gendered that is very human unfortunately. i can remember growing hearing about how important it was as a girl not to be too sexual otherwise your reputation would be ruined and no one …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:09 PM
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i wasn't serious, hon. just a bit of an uno reverse for all the "women should choose better men" rhetoric that goes on here
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 05:30 AM
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choose better?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 08:45 PM
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the man vs bear thing was about highlighting sexual assault, and not to be taken as literally as so many men seem to have done. the idea being, there are things worse than death, and a bear will "just" kill you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 08:19 PM
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clarifying, how specifically have women weaponized feeling unsafe with men? curious for an example of how it's "actively used against men".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 08:15 PM
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what rules? there is no set of rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:09 PM
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that i try to make friendship about my libido?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:58 AM
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totally but you were implying that these women dress this way because they care about men and their dongs. but i think you and i just agreed that is just wishful projection on the men's part, because these women could not care less and dress for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:43 AM
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'that got women creaming" i just can't tell you how much i dislike this kind of explicit phrasing that is so transparently meant to demean women and our desires. ETA - "He's too pussy to ask out Nikki, let alone full on rape her." yes, it's boldness of spirit that cements a man as a rapist after all, amitire gentlemen?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:36 AM
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i guess, if it doesn't even occur to the "good guy" that the "bad guy" doesn't know or care about his wiener and what happens with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:27 AM
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i know, right? i guess tell your fellow man to appreciate the women in his life who offer friendship instead of trying to make it about his d*ck?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:22 AM
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"Women know this and know this power and still do the hitting every day everywhere." interesting way to acknowledge that the average man's sexual interest is so irrelevant to their day to day lives that women will show some skin without a second thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 10:32 PM
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so you're not talking about any specific examples you've seen? women's main source of power is their looks --- sure, to horny straight men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 10:26 PM
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okay so just double checking, if someone you are not attracted to, say a man maybe? i don't know your sexuality. let's say a man you find repugnant, sees you as a disposable hole, a really cute, adorable, arousing disposable hole for his sexual gratification, and then to obviously be tossed aside when you're hole is no longer interesting enough, you would be....flattered?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 10:19 PM
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"Their looks are often a major source of power, and many invest huge amounts of money, time, makeup, surgery, clothes, filters, gym routines, and social media effort into maximizing that power. Then they act confused when men notice the very thing being constantly displayed and monetized." who? when? where? i'm sure you have real world examples so what are they?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 10:10 PM
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when i was a younger woman i would support, listen to, and care about my male friends with the same regard as my female friends. there ended up just being too many instances where they thought that i was in love with them, or flirting with them, or they got romantically attached in some way. after my friend max tried to massage me sensually and i asked him if we needed to have a talk about friendship boundaries and he flipped out, accused me of leading him on and then stood outside my building s…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:51 PM
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"If anything, men have a moral duty to pay for these services." wow.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:37 PM
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there is no set rule book for all women
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 05:14 PM
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if you think a basic understanding of social environments vs the grocery store equals magical mind reading i don't know what to tell you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 04:24 PM
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not sure i understand your wording here you mean any woman or female character who male players find hot is insulted or attacked?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 07:26 PM
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this is because the amount of stories, media etc with a male protagonist who has agency and is a full human being, handsome or not, is WAY higher than for female protagonists. so in this regard, for men, there just isn't as much to complain about.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 07:24 PM
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yes, there are several pretty serious challenges that come with the idea that you will be much older than your future partner
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 07:21 PM
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well thank goodness men NEVER complain about the unrealistic depictions of male bodies in media...?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:29 AM
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so, women try to explain socializing to men who do not seem to understand it, and when those men are like, "i don't get it i guess sex workers are the best option" and women are like good grief 🤦🏻‍♀️...those women are lacking in empathy? do the men who frequent sex workers have any empathy for those women and their struggles or...are they just there to have an orgasm?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:24 AM
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"There are some amazing looking sex workers who love sex" okay, great but you do understand that it's just their job right? their job (generally, not talking about the ones who get to choose their own clientele) is to make people who they aren't attracted to feel like they are 1.) attractive and 2.) good at sex -- so they'll keep coming back. i could be wrong but it kind of seems like you think there are gorgeous, horny, SW women who want to eff all the men they're effing, and would even if they…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:41 AM
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she just fully explained that the best place to approach is in a setting meant for socializing. not when someone is just going about their day. and you still ask "how would someone know that?" come on.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 11:56 PM
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i think this was more about making sure women aren't depicted as disposable sex objects, for the sake of women and girls in general, and not about being spiteful toward men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 11:48 PM
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people in general have a more critical lens aimed toward men who buy sex because of the (super super long) history of women being exploited, trafficked, and abused in this line of work. of course boys and men can be exploited, trafficked, and abused which is horrific. just, the majority of people who traffic others, are male. and the majority of the people they traffic are female. if there was some kind of guarantee that the women involved are fully consenting adults who want to participate in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 11:35 PM
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according to this, it's actually slowly declining Share of U.S. adults living without a romantic partner has ticked down in recent years lol i got downvoted for this, which means the truth hurts? idk i didn't do the study
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 11:25 PM
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unfortunately life is full of gray area and there is no fool proof way to know. a woman can't be sure if the man approaching her is a threat or not. a man can't be sure a woman wants to be approached. we all have to go on context clues, behavior, setting, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 09:18 PM
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yeah. lots of women just do not like to be approached by strangers no matter the context.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 05:40 PM
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you got banned from a bar for speaking to a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 05:39 PM
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this article is 12 years old
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 05:29 PM
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except that you still have to convince a young woman of viable fertility to have children with you
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 05:03 PM
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lol
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 04:59 PM
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not lesbians! hehe jk that's a stereotype. i mean, sure, but not because women can't do it, it's just gendered stuff, right? generally older generations teach the girls how to cook and sew, boys are taught car stuff, or home repair stuff. just anecdotal but my dad was super handy with cars, woodworking, home repairs, even gardening. my mom was more about interior design, etc. anyway he taught her all those things and now (he passed years ago) she comes over and does home repairs for me and my hu…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 12:14 AM
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"my girlfriend for example who really hates working, can’t do basic home maintenance, seems to constantly be involved in drama and takes an hour doing her make up, etc. " lol okay but you know that's not how all women live their lives right?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 10:25 PM
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where is the moral line for all the men paying for these services? since they always have the choice to just not go to a sex worker.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 05:05 PM
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What is the point of citing that point if you're not trying to use it as an example of "how men are". just agreeing i've seen men saying what the other poster described and that her being aware men like that exist isn't misandry. just head on over to the sub and you'll find examples. i didn't say every man feels that way, i backed her up that i've witnessed men who do. i mean this "You're living in an unrealistic bubble and spreading misandry." because i've seen examples on a sub? i'm living in …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:23 AM
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ah, i didn't write that. i just wrote that i've seen examples of that on another sub. so, not generalizing an anecdotal story into a characterization of an entire class of people. just backing up that i've seen some examples. 🤷🏻‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:02 AM
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"Nobody is shaming women for whom it's the last resort." got it, got it. so if a woman has no other choice than to "take advantage of sex starved men" or to literally starve herself, you're fine with that? but if a female sex worker starts to make a lot of money, now it's a problem? so, sex workers are only acceptable if they're being exploited to avoid poverty? not if they have money and agency?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 12:52 AM
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"The host has a stance but thats about it. They invite pretty much everyone." i'm sorry, no. i've watched a great deal of it as well. the one-on-one debates are okay sometimes, like when they let notsoerudite on, but they platform people like andrew and rachel wilson, michael knowles, charlie kirk and candace owens and especially in the earlier days they cast young, relatively uneducated women that they knew they could easily dunk on for channel views. their whole angle is making women (especial…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 12:04 AM
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the whatever podcast is easily one of the most biased podcasts out there. they have a very specific narrative they're pushing and they select the women they invite accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 11:23 PM
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there weren't national polls at the time, so there's no way to know definitively. but like most big movements, support was minimal at first and grew over time with both men and women. there are still women who vote against what i consider their own best interests now. doesn't change the fact that men and women should have always had the same societal and legal rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 11:02 PM
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not to be pedantic, but half of all the white women who voted, voted for him. not half the white women in the country. still not good, but...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 10:32 PM
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right? he got to search through the raw footage? 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 10:18 PM
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i am aware that there were women who opposed suffrage.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 09:55 PM
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women always should have had the same legal and societal rights as men
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 06:32 PM
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welp, it's actually more like men shouldn't have denied women basic human rights in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 06:20 PM
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i see, and OP writing this - People (especially women) will typically do or allow things that they wish were not happening, purely to make their partner happy. Across most contexts. Sexual, emotional... is misandry too, or...?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:00 AM
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it's getting there if you make that desire known while knowing they don't want it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 12:52 AM
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just go over to r/retroactivejealousy and you'll see all the men who think the fact that their female partner was traumatized by a sex act and doesn't want to do it anymore, has nothing to do with her personal autonomy and preferences, and everything to do with her not "loving" him enough to exploit herself the way she did with "him".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 12:51 AM
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any ideas as to why women would be afraid of confronting a man or...?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 12:48 AM
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i've noticed that men will often talk about how "crazy and toxic" a woman was, but then qualify staying with her by saying "but the sex was amazing." with very little digging, it's pretty easy, when they provide further details, to glean that the woman in question had BPD or a major mental illness. but because the idea of "crazy women are great in bed" they don't seem to know or care they are dealing with someone with major issues that they should be sensitive to, rather than going along with wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:47 AM
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the women in this example have very clear ideas/opinions on how they want to be dated. why wouldn't a man have similar preferences/standards of his own? "Likes, dislikes, or what I'm comfortable with won't mean much if the person I'm talking to isn't on the same wavelength as me" right, so you're not on the same wavelength. that's okay. that doesn't mean it's time to change things about yourself to win them over.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 11:25 PM
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he would be doing what he felt comfortable with rather than constantly changing based on what he thinks women want from him edit - grammar
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 10:04 PM
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just taking a look at the first one - a woman making excuses for cheating on her boyfriend is just a bad person. men also make excuses for cheating. this is not an 'en masse" thing where women are just let off the hook because they said "oops, my bad". i've seen women ostracized from friend groups for cheating. that's being held accountable.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 02:54 PM
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*i'd like to mention that i disagree being a nice, kind, generous male feminist doesn't *ever* get attraction. it definitely does. doesn't mean it will work for every man with every women in every scenario* ---- a man asks "what are women looking for in a man?" a woman says some version of "be a nice, kind, generous male feminist" to make sure he understands the baseline requirements a lot of women have. if the man says "i'm already those things, what else?" i'm sure the woman would expand on th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 11:15 PM
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except that the men in the scenario are complaining about having to spend all their own money on dates
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 10:56 PM
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that's a common human trait and not specific to women
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 10:07 PM
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that who already knows it?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 10:00 PM
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i'm sorry to hear you're having so much trouble with dating, i know it's hard, especially when your personality isn't naturally outgoing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 06:12 PM
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people don't like spending their own money if they don't have to
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 06:08 PM
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you mean if men ask how to get women, why is this the response some women give? because these are the most baseline traits that some (not all) women require to even begin to be interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 06:05 PM
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what examples of women showing no empathy for men do you have besides your sister? ETA - "This leads to a mother with great sympathy for her sons often more than her daughters." uhhhhhhhh. what? when? where? who? you mean creepy "boy moms"? they're weirdos.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 05:49 PM
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i can and have gone 50/50 i wanted to see paul mccartney in concert at the hollywood bowl so i bought box seat tickets, food, the works, and took my (male) date with no expectation for him to pay for anything my point was, yeah, it would be more equal if both sexes were expected to pay. but women are far from the only people perpetuating this. if you won't do it, there are other men waiting in the wings to do it with no problem, because they know it gives them the upper hand over men who complai…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 05:42 PM
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"Being nice, kind , generous, male feminist doesn't help in getting attraction" you should want to be those things because they're indicative of a good human being. not because you think it's going to get you access to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 04:32 PM
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which feminists? where? what generation? what feminist creators are you talking about? which ones are being "snobbish"? a superiority complex means you actually think you're less-than and inadequate and overcompensate. is that what you meant? because it doesn't sound like it. "All the misandristic and man hating rhetoric has consumed most of the current feminist trends." can you please give a specific example? "The hatred can potentially undermine the entire cause of it." this is far from a new …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 04:28 PM
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i mean...tell this to all the men who have no problem paying for dates. women aren't the only ones perpetuating this.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 04:23 PM
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"There is almost no women, that cant get sex or relationships, or dates." "men pay because if they don't, another man will." you answered your own question. women are much more in demand than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 04:12 PM
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more upper body strength?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 03:58 PM
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yes, a lot of adult men want to date teenagers because they're more easily moldable to other people's desires, without the life experience to have strong personal boundaries
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 03:31 PM
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"The truth is, women from third world countries tend to act more like the more beautiful gender. It's not just WITH western men, it's in general. It's like... they see themselves a bit more like how a regular female mammal would if it suddenly gained human-level intelligence." this description made me feel weird. also, what you're describing - women who see themselves as the ones who need to be won over, etc - do they not seem as entitled as western women because they expect less money and resou…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 08:18 PM
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i'm telling another adult to think for themselves, rather than taking advice that doesn't work
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 04:21 PM
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men aren't to blame for a woman not being able to find a boyfriend. why would you think that?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 01:52 AM
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i'm not upset he's blaming women. that's par for the course on this sub. plenty of men have also given women unhelpful dating advice. i've been given dating advice i didn't agree with. some men say sleep with a guy on the first date to show how attracted to him you are, other men say don't sleep with a guy on the first date if you want to be taken seriously. i made my own choices based on what i wanted and what i was comfortable with. i'm not posting about how other people's advice is to blame f…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 01:38 AM
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this post is about how women's advice is not only unhelpful but also so destructive that it's pushing even more men into loneliness. so once again blaming women for a man's lack of dating options. but my exclamation mark upset you? okay...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 12:28 AM
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my tone was flippant but i'm dead serious that relying on other people's opinions to form your own world view is dangerous.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 11:53 PM
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in regards to the first one, on one hand it sounds amazing to be basically (i say basically because i know this is not a 100% thing and men have varied experiences too) guaranteed an orgasm during most sexual encounters regardless of how well the person knows my body. on the other hand that would come with the uncertainty that i can fully satisfy my partner. i think i'd rise to the challenge and do my best but it is a different headspace. as for the other one, it would make me feel insanely self…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 11:50 PM
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yep sorry i misread at first but i evennntuallyyyy got it haha
/r/MensRights18/06/26 11:32 PM
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do you mean if men's orgasm experience was as varied as women's and i would have to put more effort and fine tuning into exactly what he specifically likes? or everything is the same in terms of how orgasms work, the man is just more focused on me than himself?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 10:51 PM
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right, got it. the study looked at 18,700 young, hetero couples. of those hetero couples 24% experienced violence. half of the 24% was reciprocal. roughly the other half of the 24% was perpetrated by the woman as the sole aggressor.
/r/MensRights18/06/26 10:44 PM
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"the fact that most people call DV a women's issue, when men experience it from women more often than vice versa." that study is not saying that 70% of all domestic violence is at the hands of women. it's saying, in this study, when the violence was from a sole aggressor, it was more often the woman. still not a great look for women, but not the same thing.
/r/MensRights18/06/26 09:32 PM
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hard to back up an angry tangent full of misleading/wrong information
/r/MensRights18/06/26 08:49 PM
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because women hear all the time how men don't take them seriously if you sleep with them right away, and she wants to be taken seriously
/r/seduction18/06/26 06:26 PM
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agreed! think for yourself, it's pretty great!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 06:01 PM
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same with me and my husband
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 05:07 PM
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never dated any man that had a provider protector mindset. so yeah, i do truly enjoy and appreciate a relationship without those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 04:46 PM
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"For a woman to not cheat on a man, that man needs to give her constant dopamine." no. a thousand times no.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 04:41 PM
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what if he developed his own likes, dislikes, dating style, and personality rather than just being reactive?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 04:37 PM
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no, you didn't write it, you just provided it as some kind of proof that women in general would rather be with someone who assaulted them than an average man. which is really disingenuous and ultimately irrelevant to actual dating issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 12:58 AM
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do you want me to link articles to ted bundy and richard ramirez to prove men hate women? outliers are NOT the rule. basic logic. the fact that some women go for these men is not indicative of women's preferences en masse. are thousands of women lining up outside courthouses to try and date felons? no? well then what does this have to do with you not getting a date with an average lady?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 12:55 AM
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good grief, dude. if you're attached to being a victim that's your problem. ETA to add, basically everything you've said is really unappealing to women, that's not me attacking you, that's real feedback. i can see why women don't like interacting with you. but rather than taking that onboard, you're like, ugh just another lady who doesn't appreciate good dudes...you haven't ever considered that maybe you aren't that good of a dude?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 12:41 AM
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the door can open for men without amazing looks or charisma but the opening might be narrower (so to speak lol). you might connect with a woman in your same field, with your same hobbies, a friend of a friend, that kind of thing. i'm petite, pale, and brunette, with a sarcastic sense of humor and i love movies. a tall, tan, athletic man who doesn't care about movies probably isn't going to be interested in me. makes sense. i'm not going to go to basketball games to find a partner, i'm going to g…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 12:39 AM
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lol ""Slutty" only iron mans your example you dingus." what? i didn't even read past that. ETA - okay i read more "Guess what buttercup? We live in 2026 not 1900." but you're such a kind respectful man, why don't women like you!? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 12:28 AM
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i never said "slutty". ew. i don't use that word. the fact that you would even jump to the word slutty lets me know that you aren't the "genuinely nice guy" you think you are. i feel zero sense of unfairness because i've never felt entitled to a romantic partner. finding a spouse/bf/gf has NOTHING to do with fairness and it never has. thinking it does is concerning. this is the kind of emotional thinking that men claim to be incapable of (we're the logical ones!) that makes them bitter for no re…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 12:16 AM
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lolllllll come ON, sir. that is laughably ridiculous. desirable/emotionally stable women don't want to date dealer/murderer/rapists or shut in losers.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 11:47 PM
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ridiculous. saying no to a date doesn't make you either of those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 11:44 PM
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we're already saving up for my son's bar mitzvah so i don't want to hear it! lol
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 11:27 PM
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this article is really bizarre and disturbing and quite obviously a major outlier in terms of rape victim's experience and coping mechanisms.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 10:46 PM
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looks and charisma might get a man in the door, so to speak, but content of character either keeps him there or gets him jettisoned out of her life, assuming the woman is emotionally healthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 10:43 PM
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it is available to men, there are some extremely successful OF men who have mostly male subscribers. 89.5% of OF subscribers are married men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 07:59 PM
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i have a hard time understanding how these situations get contextualized for men. if i hear men like soft, feminine, submissive, modest women and then i see a guy out with his loud, confident, curvaceous, girlfriend whose showing a lot of skin, i don't think "society lied to me about what men want!" rather, i think "i guess there's more gray area and nuance in this situation". right? you hear content of character is important to women, then see some women dating men with low moral character...an…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 07:22 PM
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i avoid eye contact with most men in public because they will assume even an accidental look is an indicator of interest and come bother you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 06:48 PM
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yes, he was a teenager with a big crush on rosaline until he saw juliet. nothing dark triad about that
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:54 PM
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"We are told that we must dismantle systems that harm women" no, you are being asked to. women are asking you to care about our safety and rights. you don't have to. plenty of men don't. a person not being good at dating just doesn't carry the same weight as personal safety and rights. and it shouldn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:08 PM
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👍🏻
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 06:54 PM
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they actually meet and fall in love at first sight before they realize who the other person is (Juliet isn't allowed out much) and then they are both totally devastated when they find out the truth. just read the cliff's notes okay?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 06:49 PM
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fair enough! the ages are problematic to be sure. but he is not a dark, controlling presence like (the book version of) healthcliff or the like. eta - also he is estimated to be between 16 - 18 but your point still stands and i'm with ya, also misspelling
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 06:46 PM
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so, there are women in this world who make romantic choices that aren't in their best interests. yep. there are men who do that too. there are also millions upon millions of men and women choosing partners who aren't toxic. may i ask why you are so focused on a relatively small group of women and their choices? in order to prove that women aren't perfect? yeah. it's true. not every woman is an angel with it all figured out.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 06:41 PM
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Romeo was a total sweetheart, naive, ding-a-ling who married Juliet almost the second she brought it up. Not a dark triad man at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 06:34 PM
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don't go on dates if you don't like paying for stuff
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 05:30 PM
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yes, sex can be important. but it's a want, not a need. your body won't cease to function without it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 05:24 PM
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different perspective on female loneliness: went through a debilitating depression in college. cut my boyfriend at the time loose because i couldn't take him with me on my downward spiral. he was the only person i had ever slept with at that point. a male friend tried to swoop in when i was extremely vulnerable and coerce me into a relationship/sex. friendship over. thought i would trust a different buddy when we were hanging out with a group of friends. we all got drunk and this f*cker was all …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 05:18 PM
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didn't say every woman is a good person, i said that men contribute way MORE violence to the world than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 04:47 PM
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...by their (predominantly) male subscribers.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 10:34 PM
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probably because men put "beauty" on such a massive pedestal. it's like the single most important thing to a lot of guys.
/r/seduction15/06/26 07:28 PM
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"They are talking about women who make $10k+ a month, women who make/made millions." but why shame those women?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 06:43 PM
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are you new here? this is the same tired argument men are constantly making on this sub. "choose better" "women reward bad men with sex" "not all men" "women should lower their standards" the reality is -- there are millions of average men married to average women. they are not jet-setting around the world. they are not getting constant dopamine hits. they are in the day to day of being in a relationship. chores, jobs, finances, being there for each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 06:37 PM
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you don't understand correctly. do you actually believe that women are incapable of loving a man for who he is?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 06:31 PM
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"What I would like to know is why women are often described as the more inclusive and kinder gender." mainly because women contribute a helluva lot less violence and death to the world than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 06:30 PM
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this doesn't sound like there's any kind of depth of emotion involved here. it's just a dressed up version of "dudes don't wanna bang fat chicks"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 05:09 PM
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"so many career driven woman that still expect a very wealthy man to provide for their lifestyle " i never, ever see that in my social media travels. source?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 02:39 AM
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welp, you didn't name one single iota of specific information about your understanding of women. if men have such an in depth understanding of women why are so many men all over the internet asking how women think, what women want, how to date women? so men somehow inherit all of this information from men of the past? how? by reading books? women have also read nietzsche and you spelled it wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 10:13 PM
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feminism was FAR from the only factor that contributed the sexual revolution. the single biggest shift was due to birth control pills becoming available. also the youth counter culture was a driving force, pushing against the established norms of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 09:36 PM
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i'd love to hear this understanding of women you possess.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 08:55 PM
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right? like, they're never gonna believe this but that is actually HOW plenty of men become boyfriends and husbands. the relationship evolving from initial attraction/hook up.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 08:54 PM
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"but being chosen for casual sex is a strong ego boost for men. They may need to experience it to understand how amazing it feels." but it is so often just being in the right place at the right time. the amount of personal validation some men tie to sex is just so misguided IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 08:53 PM
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except that women literally grew and birthed every human on this planet.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 08:39 PM
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women are over half of society. women work in infrastructure jobs like medicine, food service, child care, education. we all work together to keep society functioning. the comment "if women stop working nothing happens" is obviously false and illogical. how's that?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 08:37 PM
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there are women who will absolutely never date a misogynist no matter how attractive he is. there are women who don't care and will date a "hot" man, hell, there are women with internalized misogyny who might agree with his views. there are men who would date someone they see as a misandrist if she looked like sydney sweeney. the world is a big place and there are people who prioritize looks over character. there are people who don't do that. if i lived my life according to the opinions of men o…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 05:25 PM
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but you said it affects men's lives in ways that women underestimate and can't fathom. you're saying that a man just cares more about the women he's with if she's hot. that's not unfathomable. that's just prioritizing looks over character.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 04:07 PM
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i just said that i trust your interpretation and i'll take another look. i was using rape and sexual assault interchangeably.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 04:03 PM
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okay, well denying anyone's sexual assault, even a fictional character, feels wrong to me so i'm not going to do that. if you feel you're seeing assault there, then you are. i haven't seen it since it came out, i'll give it another look.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 03:52 AM
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"Metoo is the prime example, women decided that they have the right to accuse anyone without any basis." no. many men made life in general, and especially in the workplace, miserable for the women who worked there, for decades. i was working in reality tv pre 2017 and some of the companies were seriously like mad men. one boss had his assistant, who he was sleeping with, tell me i could come over and use his pool any time i wanted. i mean that is the tip of the iceberg in terms of sexual harassm…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 10:29 PM
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the only reason i'm "refusing" to see it is because the people who made the film said that's not what is happening in the scene.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 10:11 PM
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okay so that's one. a man feels motivated and that motivation contributes to his happiness? what else?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 10:09 PM
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anora spoilers - i read a lot about anora when it came out and the ending is not supposed to be anora assaulting igor. at least not from sean baker's POV. she is trying to thank him the only way she knows how, he passively accepts, but when he tries to kiss her it crosses into a more ambiguous territory for her where she is not as in control of the encounter, all the events of the film come crashing down on her, then she has a break down while he holds her.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 08:29 PM
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"Oftentimes women will reject a man's advances initially because, due to slut-shaming and purity culture, they don't want to appear too eager and "easy", but they still expect the man to keep pursuing. " quick question, why can't the man just think for himself, recognize that this woman's expectations for him to keep pursuing after a no, are unhealthy, and move on? consent really shouldn't be complex and nuanced. if it's not straightforward just get the hell outta there.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 08:12 PM
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"Might just be right, it is just that the same attractive men damage all the "fresh" women over and over. This is a big problem with feminism." what does that have to do with feminism?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 07:36 PM
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"Physical beauty matters even more to men than women want to believe and contributes to a mans happiness in a way many women underestimate and cant fathom." wow, that's weird! ETA - okay i've gotta know, in what (many) ways (that are beyond fathoming by me, a woman) does physical beauty contribute to a man's happiness?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 07:00 PM
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"They still want a one-sided world where men are the only gender expected to follow roles." "In conclusion: Men shouldn't be responsible for grown ass adults feelings." but ahhhh, women do all kinds of things to manage (some) men's feelings and men's egos, and men's unwanted attention, and men's anger, and the entitlement some men feel towards our time and our bodies... eta this my lived experience and many women's lived experience, this does not mean i have no empathy for men and what they go t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 12:35 AM
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so interesting that, in the video, she says that norah vincent's biggest takeaway was how isolated men are from each other emotionally, and that was the most difficult aspect of "being a man".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 12:24 AM
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them not doing as much doesn't mean they shouldn't be
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 11:23 PM
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not sure why i'm getting downvoted, i mean it's fine, but like knowing if she's single or even the type to entertain dating someone at work is, like an important part of the success of seduction, right?
/r/seduction12/06/26 01:00 AM
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...i mean...still doesn't mean much. is she single? is she the type to date a co-worker?
/r/seduction12/06/26 12:37 AM
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were you the only person she spoke to? why do you think the make up was a signal to you specifically?
/r/seduction11/06/26 11:40 PM
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same goes with older men's bodies
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 10:06 PM
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but, as always, the overwhelming majority of younger women will want to date their peers, so...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 09:58 PM
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"During that baby/infant stage when the mom does the bulk of the work, she resents it when he's not also working/busy with something." why is the mom doing the bulk of the work then? other than breastfeeding what can't he also do for the baby?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 09:54 PM
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yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 09:22 PM
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ew, what? are you serious? wth
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 09:11 PM
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lol sure, bud.
/r/seduction11/06/26 04:50 PM
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i would absolutely consider ways to help as long as they don't involve my sexual organs.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:57 AM
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no. women do not "find the idea of intimacy with men disgusting and are immediately hostile to it". that's not the takeaway here. the takeaway is that women don't want our bodies sexually, physically penetrated for ANY reason other than consensual desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:56 AM
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it it's any help, as a woman who has had female friends who go for this type of "game", generally speaking you weren't/aren't attracting women of real quality and character. you are using techniques that would work on any simple minded person, male or female. you might be "addicted to the validation" but validation from whom? women who are easily lied to and manipulated? congratulations? it sounds like an actual woman of quality is interested in you. and you still want attention from women who d…
/r/seduction10/06/26 02:11 AM
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read through his post history and he just does not see women as human beings. just a series of physical attributes that are good or bad. i would LOVE to see what he looks like and give my opinion.
/r/seduction10/06/26 01:41 AM
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what? have you had multiple sexual encounters that were the exact same because of the woman's face to body hotness ratio was *subjectively* the same?
/r/seduction10/06/26 01:39 AM
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get.a.grip. eta - "Most women would rather date a bald fat asshole as long as he's dominant" this is just...welp, profoundly untrue. i mean, dominant how? pushy and bossy?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 11:46 PM
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okay, the women on that thread made a baseless and stupid assumption. and? doesn't change the fact that being kind is one, pretty essential, factor out of several that lead to attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 02:42 PM
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saying an attribute can help you find a partner is not saying that attribute will get you a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:15 PM
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"This is corporations using feminist language to extract money" what's feminist language?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:07 PM
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lol so all the guys who lash out at other guys for "white knighting and virtue signaling" are mistaken and should be mad at ladies...?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:21 AM
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so you agree most men aren't safe? you're finally getting it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:20 AM
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"But they must also virtue signal and lie, it’s in their nature." lol because no man has ever lied. it's just not in their nature. "so they say men are unsafe (feminist propaganda)". heeeheeee, this one is extra funny considering all the men who say "i know how men think, they just want one thing" to the women they care about.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 11:40 PM
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every action a human being makes can be misinterpreted by another human being's perception of it. i can smile politely at a man and he will think i want to sleep with him. "Persistence is another example. A follow up message or continuing a conversation can be seen as interest and confidence when the person is already interested, but it can be seen as pressure or annoyance when they are not. " so when you get the idea that they are not, you stop contacting them. a 35 year old women could approac…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 11:37 PM
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feminism is not just one thing. there are liberal feminists, radical feminists, intersectional feminists, and more the original intent of feminism was to close the societal and legal gaps between men and women, the right to vote, own land, have a bank account, have a choice between being a STAHM or working, the right to an abortion, etc. the current issues i'm aware of - portions of feminism are focused on ensuring a woman's right to bodily autonomy doesn't vary state to state, closing the gap o…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 11:29 PM
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i understand that it the various messaging could be confusing but if i just look at these warnings - don't harass, don't be entitled, don't be creepy - those all seem really easy to understand and extremely easy to follow. i live my life not doing those things every day. my mind would never go to, but does that mean i can't be confident, take initiative and be proactive? well, no. because those are totally different. only if someone has a real lack of social skills/boundaries are those more nega…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:49 PM
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once again "feminists" is just used as a catch all here in the headline. which feminists? where? conservative, traditional people who definitely aren't feminists also object to characters being over sexualized in media. so many of the people telling men they need to be bold, have rizz, etc are other men. selling ideas and fake solutions on how to be "better" at dating. Approaching women becomes harassment. Sexual interest becomes objectification. Confidence becomes entitlement. Persistence becom…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:17 PM
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you are just illustrating my point
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 06:32 PM
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but if you have confidence and are happy within yourself without needing approval from anyone...the happier and more attractive you'll be. this goes for both sexes, and what you're describing is, essentially, just not coming across as desperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 05:59 PM
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it seems like a lot of men on this sub just use the term feminism as some kind of catch-all boogeyman for everything a woman has ever said that they don't like.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 05:49 PM
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no.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:42 PM
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So women are STRONG! and INDEPENDENT! and have agency....except when it's convenient to your argument that they don', got it. ---- what? the majority of the richest people in the world, with the most power, are men. that has nothing to do with individual women being strong and independent.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:25 PM
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i hear you, i don't mean there has to be any emotional commitment. i mean that the well meaning women of the world hear "you are gross and used up by 30 to most men" and while we may not agree we're gross and used up, we internalize the idea that a younger man would never be interested. but then they're giving us fuck me eyes in the check out line at target, it's confusing lol i will admit my shortcoming in relating to this. i'm on the other end of the spectrum where i was getting touched and gr…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 01:53 AM
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i came to realize that he had no inner emotional life. everything was performative and a mask. he mirrored my feelings/actions early on, to hook me, to make me think he had a similar emotional make up as me, when he was actually devoid of emotion beyond anything self serving. sharing this sucks but he ultimately SAd me when i asked him to please stop, then when i tried to give him the benefit of the doubt, that he hadn't meant to hurt me, he said i was looking for attention and being dramatic. o…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 01:47 AM
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i dated a guy who rescued and took care of a three legged dog. a friend of his had a major health issue and he allowed that friend to move in with him to convalesce. he was very close with his older sister. he flew my best friend out to visit me as a surprise for my birthday. he was not. i repeat, WAS NOT a good man underneath all that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:18 PM
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"So your argument is dependent on men taking action. Thank you for playing, we have some lovely parting gifts." yes, the men who have hoarded power and actually run things. "spoiler alert: it's like 92%-95% male" this argument is constantly made on subs where men try to humble women. societal infrastructure also refers to food production, healthcare, education, even the post office. women are involved in all these areas. it's not just road work and power plants. "smth like 2/3 of the workforce w…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:13 PM
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i'm a woman and i stand up and give my seat to elderly people, pregnant women, people with a small child, people carrying large items that would be more comfortable on their lap... did feminist propaganda brain wash me?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 10:34 PM
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1 seems like a great idea 2 isn't going to happen especially as long as lots of men keep telling women they are disgusting swamp witches no one wants anything to do with after they're 29 years old. 3 isn't one of the issues with sex work that the men paying often understand that they aren't actually desired and that doesn't have the same sense of fulfillment/validation?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 10:22 PM
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such a pointless hypothetical IMO if all the nurses in the NICU just walked out, many of the babies there would die if women decided to stop giving birth there would be no more new people in this hypothetical of yours do all the men in power plants lock the doors so no one can turn the power back on? because the ultra rich men of the world wouldn't stand for a civilization they are at the top of deteriorating, and they'd just find a way to get the working men back at it. or women would step in a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 10:14 PM
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"Well, let’s make sure the next generation of men grow up like women and don’t grow up with a famine mentality." how?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 03:27 PM
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"virtually everything you see there was designed, built, repaired, and maintained by men providing for their families" that's just having a job. having a job is not some indicator of benevolence. and not all men with jobs have families.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 03:25 PM
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what does this mean? "Goldiggers don’t have the werewithal to get that lifestyle ethically" how do you get that lifestyle ethically vs unethically?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 02:49 PM
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lol sure, bud.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 02:49 PM
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precisely, because if they were they would have no trouble attracting women in their own country.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 02:01 AM
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not the really stealthy ones
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 01:59 AM
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do you think the women who initiate divorce are doing it frivolously? like, women en masse are only marrying in order to have kids and then try to bounce?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 01:58 AM
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i just recently watched a video on how many women overseas are getting wise to this and call these guys LBH's (ie "losers back home") and purposefully try to either ignore them or take advantage of them financially
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 01:07 AM
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if she is a consenting adult who loves him there isn't a problem. i think the issues people have with passport bros include 1.) the ones who exploit women in dire circumstances in order to "get a wife" and 2.) the weird logical inconsistency of saying western women are golddiggers and then going to a place where you are most valued for your money and having no problem with that as long as you have the power
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 01:04 AM
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does this extend to mothers of sons? it's interesting you say this because i've only ever seen this said about how men view women, considering how much women are objectified and commodified by "predatory males". what ways do you see women dehumanizing men? like, considering them just a wallet or...?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 12:53 AM
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not exclusively no, just where the main character is male.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:46 PM
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"You are equating two different things." "The equivalent to making generalized negative statements about men, is to make them about women."
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:41 PM
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i'm afraid i must respectfully disagree. the majority of movies, books, shows, video games have male protagonists. hell, my favorite movie Back to the Future has a male protag. women come of age in a world where the male view is often the default in media and in religion, with essentially no choice other than to see men's stories and find common humanity/human experience there. now, is a young woman who is cold approached by a man she's not interested in going to stop to consider his fullness as…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:34 PM
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she knows, she's conveying that women's behavior is generalized on this sub all the time and no one bothers to say "some women" or "predatory women" or what-have-you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:21 PM
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so, just to clarify, you feel something like "male predators" should be used instead of "men"?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:18 PM
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i've noticed that you bring up dick size in like 70% of your comments, even on non-porn related posts so i think i'm gonna let you handle that and stop engaging
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:07 PM
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they don't always choose who they get to shoot with in the same way. they take what jobs/scenes are available sometimes. nathan bronson has a cooking show on youtube and he talks about this stuff with his guests (also performers). the man is not always packing in amateur couples. that's kinda the point. you can find normal looking people if you seek them out. may i ask what you were expecting in terms of "porn for women"? tiny penises and candlelight?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 02:50 PM
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lol bellesa has a few different offshoots under the umbrella of the brand and yes some of them are just pretty standard guy/girl scenes. but they also have fun ones where the performers get to choose their co-performer from a list of people they like to work with or want to work with or their real life partner, and then they'll have a conversation ahead of time. i just really like knowing that both performers like who they're working with and feel comfortable. they have a blind date series that'…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 11:43 PM
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the feminist movement was not saying "no people other than women ever suffer". it was saying "hey men are allowed to vote, own property and have bank accounts, since women are humans too, shouldn't they have those rights?"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 09:39 PM
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are you talking about the revolutionary war? when america gained independence from britain? what does that have to do with feminism?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 09:15 PM
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hmmmmm true fact about wall-e. irrelevant to the specificities of my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:54 PM
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are you saying that only 3-5% of adult women on earth are heterosexual?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:40 PM
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"But they didn't need to hunt against dangerous animals" women actually did a great deal of hunting, depending on the tribe why is it that men's rights activists generally know so little about history?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:30 PM
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you mean when women (and some men) fought for women's right to vote? to have bank accounts? that's when the gender war started?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:26 PM
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i mean, the overwhelming majority of POV porn is literally from the POV of a man looking at a woman...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:15 PM
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the phrase "control over the purse strings" means control over money
/r/MensRights02/06/26 05:52 PM
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"Is that phrase supposed to replace "women and children"?" no. like, not at all.
/r/MensRights02/06/26 05:45 PM
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"She is insanely spoiled and coddled" who is? ETA downvoted with no answer to my question! yeeehawww! another confounding day on reddit!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 05:14 PM
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i feel like my memories of being a woman would only help me in trying to date women, right? it's like i've got a cheat code.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 04:11 PM
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fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 04:10 PM
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women often do take precautions when dating, like sharing their location with friends, not allowing the man to know their address at first, not leaving her drink unattended. no, you cannot live your life in constant fear because, what kind of life is that? but there are very real fears we have to consider and steps we take to mitigate risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 04:02 PM
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bellesa tends to employ reasonably conventionally attractive men who are attentive to their scene partner. in a lot of mainstream porn they want the man to be as quiet as possible so his noises don't distract or turn off the straight male consumer watching it. and they also cut his face out of the edit. as a straight woman i want to see the man's face and hear his reactions. bellesa tends to leave those in and that's another reason it's "for women".
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 03:51 PM
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what? marty was cool AF and jennifer knew it
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 03:43 PM
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yes, i hear you. it's probably best, in any situation where you feel vulnerable, to make sure you are confiding in someone you trust. and that includes a woman you are dating. vet her to make sure she won't react poorly when you need emotional support.
/r/seduction02/06/26 01:45 AM
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he was rich and famous.
/r/seduction01/06/26 10:41 PM
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i respectfully disagree. i broke up with someone years ago because he never showed emotion and it felt like i was with a male robot. asshole women who believe men aren't supposed to have emotions will make you feel bad for it. well-adjusted women who want an actual life partner they feel emotionally connected to will not make you feel foolish for showing your feelings. but i'm guessing you taking your insecurity, over him seeming more confident and likable, out on your girlfriend is what turned …
/r/seduction01/06/26 10:39 PM
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another post about what a bubbly, candy-coated world women must be living in on this sub. 👀 "having fun and probably hooking up with a well above average local man from a club or dating apps." women have to be aware of danger. going somewhere and hooking up with a strange man requires a lot more throwing caution to the wind than a traveling man hooking up with a local woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 06:39 PM
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making sure i understand, so we would still be women, inside and out, but the pursuer role in dating would fall on us exclusively? am i trying to date men or women? ETA - or i'm in a man's body and i'm approaching women? but i still have my inner past experience as a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 03:43 PM
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so be it. thinking that settling is a good thing is never gonna compute for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 09:05 PM
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and where did men have to go hide if they didn't want that life? oh, they didn't have to go hide because they had full personhood?! wooooooow.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 09:03 PM
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🤨
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 09:00 PM
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yes, millions upon millions should have become nuns. no matter their religion. solid logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 08:24 PM
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being with someone i don't love and i only tolerate is shitty to me. that's settling and it's pointless if you don't have to.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 08:22 PM
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pffffft. degrading our grandmothers lol you're the one who is all over your post saying that admitting financial dependence on men actually makes women of the past look really bad, and women (then and now) are just too dumb to realize we're somehow telling on ourselves? what era are you talking about? like... the idea that women just didn't want to do work in order to be independent is...profoundly misinformed and misguided. how does that make any sense at all? in "our grandmother's" generation …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 08:20 PM
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women having no financial autonomy is hilarious amirite?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:41 PM
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not me. hell no i'm not sharing.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:39 PM
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being single is way better than being in a shitty relationship IMO
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:38 PM
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you mean the men (of the past) who set up a world where women had to be financially dependent on them to survive? that's men having a greater understanding of love than women?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:34 PM
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how? what? acting dumb? what are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:07 PM
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it wasn't women's choice to be financially dependent on men back then, it was the world they were born into.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:01 PM
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but lots of women are loved and lots of men have sex and vice versa...
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 06:55 PM
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he didn't have money. he was a tutor and i was a reality show producer.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 06:33 PM
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ah. okay. right, right. let me break this down. when you said it was hilarious that a woman would marry for love the implication is that a woman would never marry for love. and if a woman would never marry for love, only resources or whatever, then what does that say about women's overall capacity to love men...?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 06:32 PM
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so you feel that women are incapable of romantic love with a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 06:16 PM
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that's why i got married 🤷🏻‍♀️🥰
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 06:14 PM
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so do i.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 06:12 PM
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love.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 06:10 PM
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repulsed or just indifferent? genuinely asking.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 04:21 PM
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people, men and women, can stay stuck in abusive cycles. a young woman watches her father treat her mother and/or other women as less than or disposable. it can normalize abusive behavior. she might have a much harder time discerning what is a red flag and what isn't. also people (men in this case) who are abusive can be manipulative liars. depending on the person and circumstance, they can be way more likely to tell a woman what she wants to hear to lock her down and to get access to her. a nor…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 04:20 PM
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the men in erotic fiction are a fantasy in the same way that a virginal perfect barely legal girl who becomes a nymphomaniac for one particular man is a fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 12:11 AM
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so you can dismiss someone's message as unimportant if they aren't well known? this lady is even less famous than nick fuentes, so i guess you guys are just overreacting.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 11:50 PM
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he wasn't a "nice" guy. people who worked with him talked about how he was a wildly ambitious, exacting perfectionist. and also a master manipulator. like how paul mccartney confided in michael he was going to try and buy the rights back to the lennon/mccartney catalogue and michael outbid him for it. which ended their friendship. janet has talked about how she never felt any warmth or love from him.
/r/seduction29/05/26 08:56 PM
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she is not being serious about forced sterilization. have you ever seen any of nick fuentes videos about women? full of hate. wants to take away women's right to vote. he started the "your body my choice" thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 08:43 PM
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"She starts with the same horseshit feminist portrayal of history as a walk in the park ("near total freedom for men")" she doesn't mean men, historically, were allowed to do anything they wanted. she means that men weren't dependent on another gender to have the rights of a full adult.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 08:36 PM
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i find both gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 06:41 PM
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so she would work but pump and leave bottles for you? i mean that can work as long as she's got enough supply. i did 3 hour a day, day care once my son was 2 years old. i vetted the HELL outta this place as it was private and at this woman's home. it was loosely structured with snack times and play times. and only 7 kids of roughly the same age all there together. he's 9 now and still friends with a kid we met there. i honestly hope this happens for you and you get to see what being the stay at …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 06:26 PM
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"A woman acting masculine is seen as strong, independent, and breaking barriers." what does "acting masculine" mean here? also, often on this sub, "feminists" seems like it's a just a catch all term for some kind of man-hating oppressive entity. lotssssss of feminists support gender fluidity and breaking down superficial societal barriers that keep people from expressing their true identities. "I always see feminists try to flip this into something else by saying that men are hated because they …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 06:09 PM
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so a sahm basically. you know that you can do half day care, or even just like, 3 hours a day, so the child meets other children/makes friends while the stay at home parent can breath and buy some groceries without a baby strapped to her chest. it doesn't have to be all or nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 05:58 PM
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right? you're telling me i wouldn't have had to smell my own flesh burning from the emergency c-section i had to have after over 30 hours of labor and massive blood loss, where i was in serious danger of having a stroke due to preeclamsia? i could just be handed my new baby with zero effects on my body like my husband was?! sign me up too!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 05:33 PM
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artificial eggs? artificial eggs? there's no such thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 05:25 PM
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artificial wombs would still need eggs donated from a willing woman so even those will need a woman consenting to sharing her reproductive "materials".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 05:22 PM
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They can be any gender but i want someone staying at home with the child instead of daycare. until the child is how old?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 05:00 PM
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there are always interested men out there, if you're a woman you don't need to rely on someone cold approaching you to get into a relationship. you can meet through friends, family, extended social circles, church, hobbies. my husband was my best friend at work's roommate.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 07:52 PM
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why are you guys so convinced that cold approaching a stranger is the way you're going to find your partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 07:49 PM
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no. women in general don't want to be approached going about their day. by any man. lots and lots of men still do approach. that is the reality. maybe just not really young men? Women constantly tell each other "stop trying, they'll find you." What? like seriously, what are you talking about? "Even a good person can only take so many insults before theyre no longer willing to stand up and intervene FOR the people that consider their feelings to be of the utmost importance while openly claiming m…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 07:32 PM
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i just told you where it's acceptable. you're making it harder than it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 06:37 PM
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it's not just "my claim". read the comments from the other women here who are agreeing. parties, bars, clubs are places where approaches are considered acceptable. not always welcome, but acceptable. approaching a stranger just going about their day just is not it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 06:22 PM
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the majority of women do not want to be approached while just existing out in the world. that's why women put that message out there in the first place. the women online complaining are a small minority and/or doing it for quick engagement. it fits a very appealing narrative for some men - that women are missing their attention, but women, especially young women obv, are absolutely still getting more than enough attention from men of all ages.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 05:50 PM
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despise is way too harsh. i'd say, just assume most women are just looking at you as another human being out in the world, not a potential sex partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 03:38 PM
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it's currently a popular topic that's an easy way to get a lot of views. i don't think it's genuine, no. tons of men do still approach (maybe just not gen z men? idk) so i don't think there's any kind of real deficit of male attention out there for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 03:36 PM
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for me, i would never return a glance, i'd actively avoid eye contact, like i was looking at cantalopes and nothing else, and men would/will still dip into my eye line to talk. then i'd be polite but terse. clearly not excited to be talking but not totally rude. many still would not take the hint. edit to add using past tense because my wedding ring (mostly) works as a deterrent now
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 01:07 AM
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i'll let the women who don't mind being approached answer that, because i've never liked it under literally any circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 12:28 AM
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absolutely. do not do it. i have always hated cold approaches, especially at a place where i'm just going about my business, like the grocery store.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 12:23 AM
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lol are you 15 years old? because that is the only explanation for a response this immature.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 12:01 AM
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what is an example of a woman "rejecting her femininity"?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 11:45 PM
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"Does she cook, clean and take care of you?" i'll never understand why people think you need to have a vagina in order to cook and clean.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 11:36 PM
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yeah, can't say for sure but sounds like she was giving you signals during the party with the staring but has lost interest after you made out with her friend instead
/r/seduction26/05/26 11:29 PM
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how so? edit to add - like not texting you back anymore or avoiding you? if that's the case you're cooked IMO
/r/seduction26/05/26 04:36 PM
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wow, that's interesting. i can find a man really physically attractive, like before we speak to each other, but if i realize he's not what i consider a good person, it's like his face and body don't register in the same way anymore. suddenly i see all the physical flaws i didn't before, and i'll even start to find his mannerisms/voice annoying.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 04:17 PM
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not really. most really young women want really young men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 01:55 AM
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so a small percentage of young women want to get married young. and a small percentage of those will marry older men. how is that relevant to the majority of young women being attracted to men their age?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 01:54 AM
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not sure i understand your point. are you making it a contest, like, women in their 30s aren't has hot as men in their 30s?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 01:01 AM
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how is it more easily than their literal peers?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 12:45 AM
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i didn't say anything about men running through women lol what? i didn't say we actually slept with all of them, i'm just talking about crushes/interests/and sometimes those became boyfriends. i was agreeing with OP that women in their late teens/early 20's are most attracted to guys around their age. you said that men peak later and are most attractive when they're older. and i was saying maybe generally but not to really young women. edit - typo
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 12:43 AM
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i mean, i guess, but in high school, in college we were lusting after the physically and personality-wise cute guys our age. not sitting in our dorms thinking "i hope a charismatic 35 year old man is out there waiting for me."
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 12:32 AM
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the young women i knew in college and right out of college, myself included, only dated our peers age-wise. and the younger women i knew from high school who got married young also married guys our age at like 22.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 12:27 AM
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but not to women in their late teens/early 20s as OP established.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 12:24 AM
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you mean, like, money-wise? because not physically obviously.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 11:20 PM
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you don't deserve the downvotes because you're right. a woman dancing alone does not mean they want a guy to come dance with them. it means they're enjoying the music. some women might be cool with it, A LOT of women are going to find it really annoying and presumptuous.
/r/seduction25/05/26 08:42 PM
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a lot of men crash out thinking (incorrectly) that women's preferences are all 6 figures, 6 feet, 6 pack. those supposed preferences aren't shamed? dudes don't flip out all over this this sub? they accept women's supposed preferences with grace? AHAHAHA 'men are too afraid to say their exact preference out of fear of being called insecure, so they end up in relationships where they know they aren’t attracted to the other" are you saying that men are so cowardly that they end up dating women they…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 01:18 AM
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yeah, crushes aren't always about making something happen. sometimes you just think someone is cute and that's that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 07:11 PM
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i'm not sure i understand what that has to do with what i wrote
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 06:58 PM
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the number of women who hurt and kill both men and women comes nowhere close to the number of men who hurt and kill both men and women so treating women as a symmetrical level threat is illogical.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 05:47 PM
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"Compared to guys you are a different species." "The reason that guys are so weird around you and always say the wrong things and do the wrong thing is because they know that the onus is on them to perform at ALL times". no. that's the whole point. you're making it that way in your head. you're making it insanely complicated. the guys who don't get all up in their heads and overthink like this, and, yes, treat women as humans, are the ones women often feel most comfortable with and want to be ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 05:23 PM
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makes sense, so interesting! and yes on the acting lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 02:23 AM
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i get it. people who are attracted to middle-aged men are going to check the stepdad trope even if the thought of seeing an actual stepdad and stepdaughter makes them ill. but there are already keyword searches like natural boobs, girl next door, POV... so yeah, maybe now that it's so prevalent, guys just click on something with their favorite performer, or a woman they find attractive, and it happens to be a "step" scenario. but the taboo of it, when first introduced at least, obviously attract…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 02:22 AM
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"By the way, if there are any porn content creators out there who stumble across this post, please stop with the "step" pornography. Just stop. We don't like it. We just endure it." oh, also that's not correct. they make content based on what gets watched. they don't have some agenda to push the "step" narrative. the men watching that content over and over, getting the views way up, is the reason they keep making it. do you have a misunderstanding about what kind of pornography the average man w…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 09:53 PM
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compliments and praise at key moments might help her relax/feel more confident.
/r/seduction21/05/26 03:45 PM
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don't interrupt a woman when she is reading a book or has her headphones on. you immediately make yourself an unwelcome interruption/nuisance before you even start speaking. all of her annoyed "guard up" reactions are because of the interruption. don't say "i think you're cute". women know that if you're approaching them like this, that you think they're attractive. compliment something other than her appearance. her shoes, her jewelry, her choice to be outdoors in the fresh air in the morning..…
/r/seduction20/05/26 06:59 PM
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women aren't mad about being left alone by men. your algorithm is just showing you videos on the same topic "why don't men approach anymore?" lots of men still do. lots of women still don't like it. there are no supply shortages of sexually/romantically willing men. that's laughable. men's sexual attention toward women has, and still is, in total surplus.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 03:59 PM
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"If it was, then women wouldn't pick attractive men no matter how evil and abusive they are, while normal, average guys get nothing" what the eff does that have to do with not wanting to be a housewife? also tons of normal average guys are married or have girlfriends. just not you i guess. edit to add - "was never about abuse, and only about which men that abuse came from" this is a truly revolting viewpoint. you're saying that you believe women's nature is to not mind being abused as long as it…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 03:23 PM
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not sure why you're putting doctors, working construction, and fighting wars in the same category. in the US about 40% of doctors are women. and for specialized fields like being an OB women are the majority. there are women in the military, who join of their own volition. they're not the majority, it's my understanding that sexism and sexual assault are huge deterrent for women, but they signed up to fight and you didn't so...🤷🏻‍♀️ the whole men built society thing ignores that women were there…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 03:21 PM
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so you didn't understand the point i was illustrating? that men (elite group or not) are the ones who have had the power to send other men off to die, and that women have never had that power and been at the mercy of both the men deciding to send their dads, brothers and husbands off to die. and then have also been at the mercy of the invading forces of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 01:22 AM
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yes. i did. did you not understand when i said that both the posters and the channels have a vested interest in pushing this narrative that men don't approach and women are sad about it? it. gets. views.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 01:14 AM
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unedited? in what universe? edit to add - one of the videos is from a channel called "the gentlemen's club", not exactly unbiased. they find and compile videos with the same viewpoint in order to discuss that viewpoint.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:47 AM
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except that there wasn't ever an elite group of women making decisions for the masses because women have never been afforded that power.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:45 AM
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these are all videos made by people trying to get views. like...do you think these are the equivalent of unbiased news programs? do you actually think these youtube videos represent the billions of people on the planet? topics like these = "hey why aren't men approaching women?" "what's your body count?" "how big is too big of an age gap?" "do women only date men who make 6 figures?" those are all examples of topics that are currently easy ways to get channel views up. and people are going to si…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:03 AM
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like being sold off as a child bride to some old man land owner (you're not allowed to own land obviously because of that pesky vagina) who you'll have to have 14 children with, all via marital rape? that is if you don't die in childbirth of course. yeah...an easy peasy existence for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:51 PM
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always, huh? woweeee that's a bonkers thing to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 11:32 PM
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i've seen lots of modern day guys complain about how they are always expected to pay for dates, and approach women first. that is a direct result of the past. men being the ones with greater financial and career opportunities. they were also, societally, expected to be the leaders and in charge. this is still echoing through the modern date era. should these young men STFU and pay with no complaints?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 08:49 PM
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"Women's problem with the patriarchy was never about being forced to be housewives" yes it was. yessssss it wassssss. women don't come out of the womb wanting to be wives and moms. some eventually want those things. many have big dreams outside of that. women wanted to be able to pursue those dreams the way men were allowed to. and ALSO didn't want to be forced to be with a man they don't want.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 08:27 PM
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what? what does that have to do with anything she said? are you laughing at the idea of women being doctors? my doctor is a woman, like...?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 08:22 PM
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came here to say this. women were systemically excluded from men's spaces for generations. if hatred against women didn't exist the word misogyny wouldn't be like (at least) 300 years old. now we have the manosphere crew talking about women like we're idiot children/sex objects. "what if men hated women?" is, like, laughable. uhhhh, they do. like a whole bunch make it pretty clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 08:20 PM
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"This is why a lot of men are dropping out of dating, and out of society as a whole. We don't know what to do, or how to act, so we just choose to do nothing. It's less harmful that way." because women on tik tok are saying conflicting things? how about using your real world experience interacting with other humans as the basis for when actions are, or are not, appropriate? "Men are confused on how to act. You might say, "Well, just don't do anything bad". We don't even know how far to go with a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 08:06 PM
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one is super vague and general and the other is more specific to how attracting those women plays out.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 06:02 PM
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saying some women like men who can attract other women is different than saying women like men with casual sex rosters.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 05:11 PM
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i mean, i'll only deny it if i feel it's untrue so...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 05:01 PM
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which cold hard fact?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 04:46 PM
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but those same young men don't want to commit to a woman with the same mindset right?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 04:44 PM
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sir, lots of women, myself included, are turned off by men with "rosters". like, get some sexual discipline, get a fucking hobby. devoting that much of your time, money, headspace, energy to banging several women? why would i have any interest in being just another one of those women?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 04:29 PM
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lol same
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 04:11 PM
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yes indeedy! and it's the reason i was always celibate in between my relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 08:47 PM
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exactly, they just enjoy saying men are more logical and then spouting nonsensical emotionally, and hormonally, based grievances.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 08:43 PM
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it's not difficult to understand what the delusion is. it's difficult to understand how so many grown adult men can have this delusional fantasy/double standard and not see it as such. also no to this - "If a woman sleeps with a man right away, then he’s very attractive." she might just be horny and he's convenient. and also no to this - "If she’s making him wait though, but then she eventually has sex with him, then he’s just an average guy." women often wait with men they are serious about bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 08:37 PM
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wow, lots of assumptions and fantasies coming from men in these scenarios. i thought you guys were the "logical" ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 08:21 PM
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"The second in his young life that he watches a video of woman saying shes cumming on a dick while doing impressive looking PiV will be the last time he thinks oral is as important as PiV, if he ever did." well...that's on him then. men need to do ACTUAL RESEARCH on what makes women orgasm. not just watching porn and deciding it's truth. edit to add - also the irony of this -- "If you want to go back to a time where men are ignorant of womens sexual experiences and don't believe in the female or…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 07:58 PM
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the ability to come from PIV varies wildly from woman to woman. and only something like 25% of women can actually do it at all. most women need PIV plus clitoral stimulation to come during PIV but not because of the PIV. i think a big reason for this disconnect in understanding how women come, is from heterosexual mainstream porn. those women are performers. and the scene you're watching is meant for entertainment, not to be instructional. i watched an interview with nathan bronson where he said…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 07:44 PM
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i'm trying to explain to you how vaginas and vulvas are built
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 07:01 PM
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i'm sorry...who was putting pressure on him to "close the deal"?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 06:59 PM
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"Then he looked chuffed with himself when he finished" this means he looked really pleased, as if the encounter went well.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 06:57 PM
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right and then the man sobs about how she must not be super attracted to him because she didn't immediately bang him.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 06:41 PM
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"Most men want women to have quick sex with them if the women are relationship material, but not to have had it with other men." i think this part needs to be explained over and over because it's just such a self-centered fantasy, it's hard for women to process having this kind of "main character" mindset about sex. i can't even fathom dating men and and having this expectation. "he's sleeping with me so quickly because i'm special! he wouldn't do that with other women!" 👀 like, whut? sure, we'd…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 06:34 PM
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that's because the main orgasming mechanism for women is outside of our vaginas. not the penises' fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 05:52 PM
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"Do you give him special treatment/access in the bedroom at all?" i honestly just really despise this whole line of thinking. i don't think of my body as a candy jar with special treats for only the extra good boys. like...ugh.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/26 05:39 PM
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this title should be: how constantly paranoid should i be that i'm not measuring up to the men (that i imagine being insanely virile for some reason) from my wife/girlfriend's past?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 02:12 AM
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in what universe does someone say to their partner, "god i love (sex act) but i will not be doing (sex act) that i love with you, my new boyfriend, even though i really enjoy it. you personally just don't get to enjoy it with me." ? i mean that's not just "relevant information". that's someone straight up telling you they dislike you enough to deny their own pleasure. and then why are you dating at all? the MUCH more likely scenario is someone tried something in the past and doesn't want to do i…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 07:05 PM
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so in this scenario the woman says - "yes, i've had kinky sex and i loved it but i won't have it with you."? why would she ever say that? the only possible scenario i can see here is - a woman not wanting to repeat sex acts that she ultimately didn't enjoy, or she liked it at some point but her tastes evolved and she's not into it anymore. and if she's not into it why would you want her to do it? it seems like you guys are imagining a relationship where a woman is just being withholding. why wou…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 06:55 PM
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also, could you please stop comparing traveling to accessing someone's body in a way they don't enjoy? i understand you're trying to convey doing something special for someone in the past and not doing it currently, but that is an insane way to think about how you want your consenting sexual partner to feel. something more accurate would be, that she got to peg her last boyfriend, but you won't let her peg you and now she feels like you love her less. no, you literally just don't want to be pegg…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 06:27 PM
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i don't understand. you took pictures of men at costco with their wives? and you're assuming the first guy is miserable because...? his wife isn't as thin as the wife in the other picture? i don't get it. how do you know these men you saw at costco are essential workers? you can just look at a man and know he works at an energy plant or something lol?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 02:36 AM
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but you listed "looks and humor" as something you provide for her. but aren't those part of who you are, not something you're giving her?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 09:31 PM
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wasn't claiming that men are clamoring to get married. i was pushing back on this "Womens attraction will be shit" because there are clearly women who love and want their essential worker partners/husbands.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 09:15 PM
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but aren't there a lot of married essential workers?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/26 06:40 PM
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i literally told you what my personal taste is, as a woman, and you said you didn't believe me and that every woman wants a rich bodybuilder
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 09:56 PM
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you sound like someone parroting what you've read about women on reddit rather than someone who knows a variety of women in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 09:43 PM
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did you read what i wrote? there's an ocean of men with looks somewhere between short fat bald dude and rich male models. and in that metaphorical ocean is where most straight women's tastes lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 09:21 PM
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they think having more access to casual sex is the best possible thing that can happen to a human being
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 06:20 PM
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but i feel like when she says that, lots of men assume it means rich, tall, etc i'm attracted to a small group of specific men. and those are specific to my taste. i'm married but i'm speaking of just generally, and before, i met my husband. over 30 years old. funny and thinks i'm funny. intelligent and curious. kind to his family and service workers. gotta love movies cause i'm a movie nerd. i love chin dimples and curly hair. anyway, you get my point. assuming every women is gunning for some r…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 06:10 PM
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none of the things you listed are accurate to my experience as a hetero woman. i am visually aroused by men i'm attracted to. and i want to see the man i'm attracted to naked. and then i want to touch him. when he's naked. other ladies don't even enter my headspace in that scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 06:02 PM
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"not all men" was initially a sexist response, a pushback against the me too movement, by men who felt attacked by women's true stories. and that's why people don't like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 05:45 PM
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taking a generalization personally is illogical.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 05:40 PM
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which feminists' arguments does it defeat?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 05:38 PM
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"We unfortunately live in a world where women have been drowned in attention from men to the point where now they don't even really appreciate it. Men stroke women's egos just for existing so much so that their attention now means nothing to women." pushing back a little, not on the idea that men are giving women too much attention, but that all the attention is ego boosting, women get arrogant, and that's why women don't value it. sure, for some women, that's probably how they internalize it. b…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 07:34 PM
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i'd love to know what you think an average day is like for an average woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 07:15 PM
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"Women are the ones who never disagree with each other." unless we're talking about liberal and conservative women/traditional women and progressive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 07:03 PM
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every women is a little bit different and it seems like the most baffling thing about women, to men, is that we don't all think in black and white and binary good/bad like men seem to want us to.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 01:32 AM
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of course men can be harassed and assaulted but acting like that's something men worry about when dating women, to the degree that women have to worry about it when dating men, is disingenuous. like, in terms of violence, we know that men murder both men and women at way higher rates than women murder men and women so, women have to take more precautions for safety when dating. like, having the passing worry that you might get raped and murdered seems like less of a privilege than worrying wheth…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 01:21 AM
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dating - yes, generally (straight cis) women do not have to do as much of the pursuing. no doubt. but men have the privilege of not worrying to the same degree about sexual harassment, stalking, and safety concerns before setting a date, not worrying about getting pregnant, if you do hook up your body count won't be used to shame you. also, sexual attention might seem like the best thing ever but when the attention is unwanted and/or the pursuer is aggressive (and larger than you because he's a …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 12:03 AM
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i understand that you're saying if a woman was the OP. but the whole post is about how women are gaslighting liars. and then many of the comments are doubling down on that...is that your idea of coddling? like, you're seeing us not be coddled in real time. is getting berated for supposedly wanting to sleep with "chads" coddling?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 11:07 PM
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great movie ❤️
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 10:57 PM
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well i don't know what you look like but if you're convinced you're physically unattractive i'll support you by agreeing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 10:52 PM
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so tell us what those privileges are.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 10:21 PM
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i don't think she was saying she doesn't believe that you were assaulted, but pushing back on this statement "it's just as bad for young men (maybe worse)" i'm sure it's bad, but worse than for women? doesn't seem possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 09:19 PM
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how so?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 09:01 PM
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there's data on fat women being more sexually active than thinner women?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:28 PM
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possible, or she was checked out of the relationship for a while before actually ending it so it seemed like she moved on super fast after, but was actually starting to move on during
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:28 PM
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great question that i'd like answered as well. stoned in the town square? wearing a sign of shame like in the scarlet letter? /s like what are we really getting at here, guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:19 PM
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i was in a relationship from ages 19 to 22, even though i initiated the break up (for myriad reasons including my mental health) i was devastated by it and didn't date again at all until i had healed at 24 years old. so ahhhh. no. everyone is different. edit to add for context = i was asked out on dates, so i suppose it's true i had options but i was not emotionally prepared for any of those options so i stayed single for a long time 🤷🏻‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:15 PM
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when they say accountability they actually mean punishment
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 03:46 PM
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never cheated and, as far as i know, none of my close female friends have either. so, no, cheating isn't really gendered in that way. cheaters gonna cheat. everyone else is out here trying to honor their commitments.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 02:47 PM
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she is probably still actively grieving her husband. she went through a massive, life changing loss. her emotions are most likely all out of balance. she is not fully herself right now. stop acting like she's just another horny lady you're interested in. she's a recent widow. maybe try to be a stable, kind force in her life instead of trying to sleep with her?
/r/seduction06/05/26 06:35 PM
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don't hit on people when they're at work. it's just not appropriate.
/r/seduction06/05/26 06:22 PM
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one of the main problems with most of OPs arguments is his perception that most women are living the life of a beautiful college sorority girl and most men are living like basement dwelling malcontents. these are obviously both extremes and have little to do with your average adult.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 05:39 PM
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you said it only applies to women who repeat patterns with toxic men. but men say it to all kinds of women, as long as that women has a negative story to tell about dating/relationships, she will get told to choose better. even when it's irrelevant, and that's why it's an unhelpful phrase.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 05:36 PM
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women don't like it because "choose better" can be a dismissive oversimplification of a more complicated issue. people don't just say it to women who are repeating toxic patterns. people will say it to women who have been abused or women who were lied to when it's ultimately unhelpful and insensitive.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 05:32 PM
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no it wasn't. you think that i was implying that ALL MEN want to cause women to suffer? jesus dude i said i haven't experienced a world where the majority of men are focused on/actively combatting women's suffering and that men are often the cause of woman (and other men's suffering) through violence. let me crystal clear so you don't keep getting so defensive. some men do care about women's suffering, not every man is violent. i mean that feels like basic common sense but whatever...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 08:22 PM
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and since i never said it was, i'm not sure why you're bringing it up
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 08:12 PM
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? that's not what she wrote at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 08:10 PM
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the concepts of gold diggers, sluts, and prudes predate the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 08:00 PM
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going to therapy can signal a willingness to self-reflect. i mean, just dismissing therapy is ridiculous, sir. it's one of the most effective ways to break cycles and look inward at your own culpability in situations, and identify traumas that you still need to heal from. women are shamed for their dating choices. just a few criticisms of women and dating that i've heard = "women should choose better, women only date assholes, women only like men with a 6 pack, 6 figures, who is 6 ft, women who …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 06:14 PM
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considering the rates of violence that men inflict on both men and women, you could argue that men are one of the great causes of women's suffering.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 06:01 PM
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i have to push back on the idea that women en masse aren't self-reflective. women are much more likely to be in therapy than men for example. there are absolutely women who repeat patterns in dating for various reasons. maybe they are repeating an abuse cycle they witnessed, maybe their self esteem is low and so they respond positively to love-bombing, or seek approval from men so they fall for having affection withheld so they have to "earn" it ... i agree if "you are the one always in these si…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 05:31 PM
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the MAJORITY are? dude. no.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 05:20 PM
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i wasn't talking about SA at all. you said "we do what will get us laid". so, not acting like yourself, lying, etc. that's what i was referring to. so that is the woman's fault? that she didn't know you were lying or using a "seduction technique"?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 05:10 PM
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not explicitly enough apparently. you are describing manipulative seduction techniques. those often include straight up, telling a woman that you are not a player, downplaying that part of yourself in order to sleep with her. and/or telling a woman whatever you think she wants to hear in order to sleep with her. discerning women with more experience can (often not always) identify this kind of thing with more accuracy than someone young and naive but to be like, they see the signs and still do i…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 05:09 PM
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but when you actually do get laid, by any means necessary, that is the woman's "fault"?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 04:55 PM
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i agree with you and want to add, we're talking about men who are being manipulative on purpose. blaming women for not knowing when these men are lying doesn't make sense. we can all do our best to be discerning but generally the person lying is to blame, not the person who can't immediately identify a lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 04:47 PM
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"men that are sweet talkers or players or able to finesse and manipulate tons of women. These women blame the men, yet these men are constantly finding an endless supply of women to sleep with." the men you are describing aren't being honest. you literally used the word manipulate. anyone who is manipulating someone else in order to get sex, should be criticized. women are not the only humans who respond to uncertainty and excitement in dating. lots of people go for something exciting over somet…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 04:37 PM
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interesting, that hasn't been my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 04:29 PM
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agree, that's why, if you're a woman you have to avoid men like the plague at clubs - no eye contact, no accepting drinks, no small talk at all, if you're there to just dance with your girlfriends.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 09:09 PM
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you're essentially asking if a woman wants to sleep with someone beautiful or someone ugly in a hypothetical question. in a question where there isn't actually the expectation of going through with it, of course women would choose the more attractive human. even if they would never actually have sex with another woman in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 06:33 PM
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welp, offline, in the actual world, there are: shallow women who only want hot & rich. and there are more well-adjusted women who want their own version of attractive, and that attractiveness is enhanced by that man being kind, respectful, and loving, or attraction is lost when he proves to be unkind or immature in some way. there are women who are enticed by a man who is unattainable, either because he's married or commitment phobic. and there are women who would never mess with a married man u…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 02:17 AM
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i've noticed from our other super unproductive discussions, that your argument style seems to be = find a part of a statement with a generalization of any kind and say "no, it's fewer people than that". so like, i said that there are men who will assume that "lots" of women go back to their abusers because that's what they want in a man. and you essentially said, no, not lots of women and also not lots of men. okay? great. there are some people that think this way. you okay now? to me the much m…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 10:09 PM
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the men who are the abusers can't be blamed? get a grip.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 08:24 PM
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lol what? you're claiming that most women would date a super handsome man even if he was a pedophile or rapist, right? that it's the norm for the average woman to want that? is that correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 08:20 PM
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but aren't hetero people generally going to find a super attractive, rich person of the opposite sex appealing as a partner? it's not like a woman thinking a hot successful man is desirable is different than a man thinking...idk, margot robbie is a desirable partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 08:16 PM
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yes there is a difference between those two things - being deceived, and willfully looking the other way with the evidence in front of you. i just cannot begin to wrap my head around how either of those things are gendered. edit to add - i wasn't saying the woman lied about her body count, i meant he made assumptions based on his hopes, etc. but still not really relevant when neither experience is gendered.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 08:10 PM
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"There's a key difference I think men usually in most cases know exactly who they're going out with." i just don't see how you have looked around planet earth and believe this to be the case. go to r/retroactivejealousy and see so many of the men falling a part because they assumed their girlfriend had a body count of 3 when it's actually 13 and they're spiraling. so many men become disillusioned with women, because of their preconceived notions about women or, that specific woman. like... the i…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 03:32 PM
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CYCLES OF ABUSE! how dense are you, sir? do you understand what that means? do you understand why abused people do what they do? do you actually care to understand why this person you know went back to their abuser? or do you just want to stay mad about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 03:01 PM
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dude, can YOU read? u/Perfect_Sir4820 just confirmed he was referring to women as holes. plenty doesn't change anything about the sentence. what are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 02:57 PM
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"because they keep going back to abusive exes and for some reason even when they pick new man, its still abusive scum" yes, it's often repeating cycles of abuse, either because they witnessed this behavior from their own parents or environment. it's not really that complicated or a big mystery. but it is unfortunate.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 02:54 PM
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What hole are women bringing to the table? if he meant that women are bringing "nothing" he worded it terribly, "nothing" and a "hole" are not interchangeable in this context.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 02:46 PM
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i don't actually care about getting downvoted, it happens. what did he mean by hole?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 02:39 PM
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lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 01:48 AM
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and how have you proved that it's the norm?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 12:48 AM
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top men meaning attractive or rich or both? what makes a top man?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/26 12:46 AM
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not sure if you're referring to him or me but it's been an exciting and confusing day here on reddit haha
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 11:32 PM
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"but you have zero proof that 95+% of women don't have those attraction triggers," what attraction triggers? attraction to evil men?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 09:27 PM
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yeeee hawww getting downvoted because women, essentially, being called "holes" makes me want to barf! what a day! if disliking women being referred to as holes is wrong, i don't wanna be right. 😎
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 09:23 PM
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does this mean you also want to talk about why men who are literally criminals can get dates? if you are describing a super handsome man, he is already going to have some women willing to look past a shitty personality because he's hot. plenty of shallow, horny women in the world if you are asking how the combo of "hot and criminal" works, it's because some people are drawn to more taboo behaviors, for a variety of reasons, including sometimes unknowingly repeating their own abuse cycles. so bot…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 09:16 PM
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right, they take a woman being partnered with a manipulative psychopath as proof that lots of women want that, and actually went into the relationship wanting/knowing that. when so often those manipulative abusers know how to target vulnerable women, hook them in the beginning, and then let their masks fall later.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 07:13 PM
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wow. that was...unsettling to read.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 07:10 PM
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"male model tier guys get tens of thousands of women on dating apps" because there are people, of both genders, who go nuts for beautiful people. this is like saying explain why a lingerie model gets flown out to a billionaire's private yacht and normal, average women have to fly coach. uhhhhh. because stellar looks are their own currency.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 04:48 PM
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i wish they knew how heavenly their grunts and groans sound ❤️‍🔥🫠
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 03:21 AM
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i think this must be a spectrum. because i'm a straight woman and while i can understand what the women here are saying about female bodies, etc. i never watch lesbian porn. i would be bored. just tapping my watch until a penis shows up. i'm not disgusted by watching two women together, but i'm not at all aroused. i would never go to watch porn and watch a woman masturbate. i'd rather watch paint dry. but i have and will watch men masturbate and it's glorious. so, idk, just another perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 06:52 PM
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"That's why they rarely touch a man's body during sex" i'm so sorry this is your life, sir, but i cannot keep my hands off a man when i'm attracted to him, uh, especially during sex. i don't picture faceless men...just no to every single thing written here. this is like an alien's idea of what human female hetero sexuality is like.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/26 06:35 PM
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there are men of all shapes, sizes, and colors having casual sex. "No, most men are definitely not having that much luck with casual sex." right, but the men who are not conventionally attractive but still get causal sex are proof that it can happen. so. what do they know that the sexless men don't?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 02:12 AM
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being "valued" as a sexual object isn't being valued as a person though. i'll give an random example from my life because, why not? when i was 24, and an assistant, my boss (50s) insisted i drop him off for his birthday dinner with his friends. i had literally never driven him anywhere. or talked to him outside of work. when i got there, he insisted i park the car and come inside. i had to sit with 5 men all 25+ years older than me while they tried to ply me with alcohol, told me how gross their…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 02:02 AM
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i think this is a massive oversimplification of a more complex issue. there are people, both men and women, who repeat cycles of relationships they have observed. there are women who keep going back to emotionally unhealthy, or unavailable men. there are men who do this with women as well. the more well-adjusted adults out there are trying to find a partner for a loving, reciprocal relationship. "choose better" gets shut down because it ignores that men (and women but we're talking about men rig…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 03:37 PM
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lol well jesus h christ this made me laugh
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 02:28 AM
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"I don’t really see people asking why the selection keeps landing on those guys in the first place" maybe you don't. this is one of countless "why don't women choose better?" posts.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 02:24 AM
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or they will start to wonder to themselves if you actually enjoyed it. so, yeah, OP is right. lots of men don't deserve to know women on an intimate emotional level.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 02:11 AM
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and don't forget that the women who actually do make casual sex easier for them, as they wish, are perceived as not worthy of a relationship. 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 02:09 AM
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no women are bringing it up so you can keep your dating struggles in perspective. not to shut things down.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 02:06 AM
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your replies on this post do not indicate a person who is more logical than emotional. at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 12:32 AM
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tons of women are opting out of dating or "staying home" as you said. so. yeah. they already found the solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 12:31 AM
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"My dad was a pos to all his gfs. The older i get the more i get confused about how men like him are ever loved." men and women have trauma that they cycle through. if these women witnessed men behaving like your dad did, when they were young, they will be less likely to identify it as toxic and will give him the benefit of the doubt.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 05:46 PM
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i mean, your comments don't really deserve a rebuttal but i'll try... so you think that every woman who ends up being the primary, or only parent, purposefully picked a man who was clearly bad news? you do know that men can lie about their intentions? can mask their real personality in order to get laid? and the culture i'm talking about has asked so little of men as parents that even good guys will take a backseat as parents because society, for generations, told them that they can. that mom ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 04:54 PM
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"So what if instead of ignoring that frustration, we acknowledged it and supported those guys having their own phase later once they’re more stable (job, money, confidence, etc.), say mid-20s?" but, what would that support look like? how?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 04:15 PM
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i mean this is just so naive and overly simplistic. i don't even know where to start so i won't.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 02:48 PM
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i think i see what you're saying here, basically rather than blaming women for being ultra picky gatekeepers, they should take a look around and see that the problem lies with something about them, since men of literally all shapes, sizes, skin tones, etc do have casual sex. blaming everyone else for your incompetence is just externalizing frustration that is your problem alone to deal with.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 01:55 AM
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she's talking about the prevailing culture, especially in the US, where for generations men haven't been expected to be the primary parent. thankfully that is changing. it's not about "picking better".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 10:15 PM
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hard to discern exactly the point you're making here but i get that the gist is: you harbor a lot of bitterness and resentment toward women in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 09:50 PM
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you're saying that women are too weak to be successfully violent against other women?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 09:45 PM
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u/pie-mart said "I think whoever gets murdered the most in dating has it hardest imo. And that is women." and i said men kill everyone at way higher rates than women. agreeing. didn't feel like moving the goalpost to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 09:44 PM
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not moving any goalposts, just illustrating that men are a much greater physical threat of violence en masse to women than women are to men. doesn't mean that no violent women exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 06:18 PM
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women don't lack the physical strength to kill other women. we just don't kill other women at even remotely the same rates that men kill men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 06:13 PM
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okay. do women believe men can go on dates with crazy, toxic women? yes. do women believe there are women out there who are unfit to be romantic partners? yes. do women have a monopoly on defending toxic behavior within their gender? no. plenty of men dismiss or endorse other men's shitty behavior. they excuse cheating, being controlling, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 05:34 PM
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"every feminist and non-feminist"? you literally described everyone on earth. did you mean women? (there are male feminists and non-binary feminists fyi) the majority of women you interact with say that every man is a violent potential rapist?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 05:27 PM
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such as? what structural changes and laws are going to help men date?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 05:11 PM
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men kill both men and women at WAY higher rates than women kill men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 05:03 PM
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she was just illustrating that women take on way more physical risks in dating than men. no one is saying that men don't murder other men as well, we know they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 05:01 PM
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i think it might actually be your personality, my guy
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 09:32 PM
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my husband and i have both been, separately, in therapy for years and it has done wonders for us both.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 09:20 PM
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"The entire feminism movement actively endorses and encourages contempt, fear of, and hatred of men". this is an incorrect, sweeping generalization. there are feminists married to men. in the US, opposition to feminism helped to get our current president elected. "pussy grabbing" etc society in general has been more focused on dealing with misogyny because the hatred of women often leads to violence against women. men kill women at way higher rates than women kill men. but you're right, men also…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 09:14 PM
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there are entire movements dedicated to having zero empathy for women like the red-pillers, and the manosphere.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 05:39 PM
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yeah, men who aren't objectified seem to think being viewed as a sexual object/prize is the best thing imaginable, and leads to a life of privilege and freedom. it's never that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 05:11 PM
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so you're saying that men don't get empathy from men or women, but you're just mad at women about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 05:07 PM
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right? could've used the opportunity to, oh i don't know, get her naked, kiss and lick her all over, go down on her, any number of things that would make her unable to stop thinking about him but instead, "no PIV, then i guess nothing is happening"...sigh
/r/seduction22/04/26 03:28 PM
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i really, really wish we lived in a world where both men and women's humanity was understood and not mocked/questioned. as a young girl all i ever wanted in a partner was a boy/man who was a full human being where we could cry together, talk to each other, be fully aligned as partners and equals. to choose each other as people without (what i later learned were) gendered expectations. i feel empathetic as hell toward men who are told to suppress natural emotions in the name of some stoic ideal. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/04/26 02:01 AM
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that's great that they are building it, it really is. but they are getting paid to do so, right? it's not like volunteer work. and it's not like a group of male feminist advocates came together out of their own personal concern to make these women's lives better. or maybe they did? you tell me.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 01:53 AM
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i don't think women will be surprised. it's not like men are regarded as our main source of support or empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 01:27 AM
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"Women’s sexual leverage equals more power especially when compounded by legal rights and personal autonomy " still trying to make sense of this? you're saying that women have more rights and more personal autonomy than men? ...because of sexual leverage?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 09:35 PM
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sounds like she needs therapy more than you do!
/r/seduction21/04/26 06:23 PM
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"..point out the obvious discrepancy in quality of life between men and women. It’s actually the women who have been forced to acknowledge how much better they have it in terms of dating, sex" you feel that women have it better because we have more sexual options? and men generally do the approaching? and when you say men's suffering, are you talking about in terms of sex/dating? because initially it seems like your post is about men's mental health. but the content of the post seems to be just …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 03:16 PM
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in what ways have you witnessed men taking steps to reduce women's suffering?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 03:11 PM
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may i ask what actionable ways you have seen men demonstrate that they care en masse about women's suffering?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 03:09 PM
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i will say what i said the last time this debate topic was brought up: perhaps stop listening to women's dating advice and learn to think for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 01:12 AM
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huh, fair enough. it's just a really weird way to respond to a man's vulnerability.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 05:58 PM
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are you saying that a common response to a man saying he wants to be loved, to a woman, is "you can be loved by your male friends"? like, "go get a hug from your guy friends, i'm busy"? who is this woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 05:50 PM
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do you feel like most men care about women's suffering?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 11:35 PM
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i looked into this phrase a while ago because i kept seeing it brought up as a big disparity between how the genders are regarded. you'll be happy to learn that it was never any kind of law, or even a regular practice. the phrase initially appeared after a maritime disaster, the HMS Birkenhead, but never became a common practice in actual disaster situations. here's a link to a study - https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2051006 also, men are the ones who came up with the phrase,…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/26 11:20 PM
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at the time, 20ish years ago at this point, the societal beauty expectations (mainly in the media) for women, were higher than for men. that doesn't mean that men never faced any expectations at all, if it did there wouldn't have been handsome, fit male movie stars. but the movement was meant to course correct a disparity between how the genders were presented. for example in movies, and shows, you would often (not always) see many physically different kinds of men in various lead and supporting…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/26 08:17 PM
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not well-adjusted young women, but women seeking to fill a particular relationship (daddy) then yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 03:50 PM
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i'm not sure why you're trying to prove that men also get sexually assaulted when i never denied that they do. "You said it forced women to examine beauty standards they may hold themselves. It did not even ask for this." I meant the beauty standards women were holding themselves to. "First of all, I'm pretty sure you're replying to a straight woman." what does that have to do with anything? why would who i'm replying to matter? the sheer prevalency(sic) of married fat ladies means that the body…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/26 03:31 PM
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they've never heard of editing apparently.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/26 03:09 PM
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didn't say no one ever told OP women were the kinder gender. i was expressing surprise that he took it so literally, and did not use his own experience/discernment, as he grew up, to see women are varied human beings in the same way men are. many young women are told that "men only want one thing" and will just use you for sex. if i believed that were true of every man, i wouldn't have bothered even trying to find a boyfriend. women are statistically the less violent gender, maybe that's where t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/26 02:58 PM
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what's a "birgadier"? complain about what stuff?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/26 02:45 PM
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i said there were societal beauty standards/expectations placed on women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/26 02:43 PM
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getting downvoted but no one is answering any of the questions i asked.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/26 02:21 AM
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"However the movement excluded men, just like MeToo and every other equality movement" do you understand what equality movements are? this was a massive social reckoning for two problems disproportionally affecting women at the time. sexual harassment in the work place, walking down the street, etc. the prevalence of sexual assault. the sheer volume of women that spoke out is indicative of how much of an issue it was (and still can be). but it didn't totally exclude men, kevin spacey was cancele…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/26 02:21 AM
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as i explained, the body positivity movement was largely, initially spearheaded by women, for women because of how disparate the expectations were for women and men at the time. it doesn't mean that unkind words about people's looks were eradicated from everyone's vocabulary from there on out.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/04/26 11:07 PM
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in the 80's 90s 2000s the societal beauty standards for women were much higher and more complex than for men. it created many cases of body dysmorphia and eating disorders. the body positivity movement asked everyone, women and men, to examine those standards. to understand that make up, photoshop, airbrushing, etc were utilized to make women look perfect. to take these images of perfection with a grain of salt because humans are much more varied and flawed than those unattainable standards woul…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/04/26 10:43 PM
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when you're right, you're right.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 09:47 PM
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these statistics you provided show that men are more likely to be killed by strangers, and women are more likely to be killed by intimate partners. when the man is killed by a stranger, statistically that stranger is most likely to be a man not a woman. when a woman is killed by her intimate partner the partner that kills her is most likely to be a man, so, in an intimate relationship, men pose the greater threat to women. yes, men can be killed by a female intimate partner but at a MUCH lower r…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 09:46 PM
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lol you've never heard of being turned off by someone's personality?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 03:46 PM
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you're saying that feminists would start to panic if hot men opted out of dating? you know there are lesbian feminists, straight male feminists, asexual feminists...? maybe you mean straight women would perceive is as a crisis?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 03:40 PM
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his "counterpoint" was that men are the most likely to be both the victim and the perpetrator. okay. that's because men are killing both men and women at rates far higher than women are killing men and women. "In the USA. 5,000 women are killed each year, 15,000 men are killed each year in the USA. Just by that demographic men are more likely to be victims of men than women are victims of men. So specifically within that category of offenses you're actually least likely to be murdered in general…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 03:30 PM
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i meant that statistically financial stability is the common denominator in terms of a child's outcome, not the parent's gender. of course a loving parent is better than an unkind one who happens to have money. that's common sense. but not what i was discussing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 02:44 PM
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i'm not sure i understand what you're saying. can you clarify?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 02:13 AM
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no, that's not what's happening. we were talking about how blame shifting can work within the same scenario/circumstance. you just feel slighted for some reason and you're projecting your grievances onto our conversation. i said that research shows that the parent's financial situation is the greatest determining factor. not the gender. i guess you missed that part.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/26 02:11 AM
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are you saying "exactly that" or are you giving an example of a claim you could make? or are you asking me which generalization i think is more fair?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 07:41 PM
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"Women are incapable of raising children without men's help". i mean, sure, someone could try to frame it that way. but there are literally millions of single mothers raising children who do not turn out to be violent criminals. but i hear you, it's ultimately just shifting blame back and forth. basically we all know that it's not the gender of the single parent but that parent's financial stability that is the real determining factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 07:39 PM
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🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 07:15 PM
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you totally missed, and didn't understand, her point.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 07:13 PM
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"Or if I say the majority of violent offenders and serial killers are raised by single mothers. There is a nuanced answer to that." the nuanced answer being that you could easily reframe that as "the majority of violent offenders and serial killers come from homes where the father is absent.'
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 07:08 PM
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i've known several piece of shit men who were (and are) always single.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 04:12 PM
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lol oh my gawd look out ladies this man called me honey! i'm gonna have to submit! had a feeling you would try and reframe it in a porny "but she's gaggin' on it" kind of way. having your most vulnerable body part in someone else's mouth is the vulnerable position to be in for any gender. but ahhhhh you aren't here for a good faith debate, you're here to get mad about paying for dinner or something...?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 11:12 PM
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thank you for taking the time to type this out. i know they will just argue with you and refuse to see the truth (societal equality is not about who buys dinner) but these are the straight up facts you're laying down.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 11:00 PM
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oh, there are plenty of men who are self-centered, entitled and disloyal too so that wouldn't solve anything anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 10:50 PM
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women do assume much more of the risk in sexual encounters, since you're accepting someone into your body, and that someone is also (more than likely) physically stronger, and women are the ones who can get pregnant. however, that doesn't have anything to do with societal equality - access to jobs, education, etc. and there are many gay/bi men who are penetrated by other men. and men who like to be pegged. i mean, when a man has his dick in a woman's mouth, he is trusting her or in your words "s…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 10:45 PM
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i would be polite but i don't like being cold approached under literally any circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 10:29 PM
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not sure where to start since everything you're saying is...misguided. "exactly, its not a equality movement otherwise they should have made Homeless shelters for MEN and women, that way you could have women shelters and men shelters." there are homeless shelters that include men. that's the default. homeless shelters already existed for men and women. they proved unsafe for women, so women (and men who care about women's safety), fought to make sure homeless women had more safe places to go. ok…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 01:03 AM
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women, and male allies, lobbied to make homeless shelters for women because women are statistically way more likely to be assaulted and trafficked if they are on the streets. "women absolutely will not support women when a position, top man, or any other exclusive opportunity." i'm a woman who has had many women support me, and promote, me in my line of work. this is just not true of women on the scale you are suggesting. are there competitive asshole women out there who uphold the patriarchy? f…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 12:05 AM
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but i thought they were the logical natural leaders! lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 11:56 PM
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"cant get a kind sexy man with money to save her life." lol what?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 11:46 PM
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this whole post is arguing that women support other women too much. feminism is an entire movement dedicated to making sure women have equal power in society. but sure, women don't support women en masse because you know some catty, shallow ones. this argument is totally illogical.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 11:43 PM
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no women have been trying to rectify the disproportionate amount of power and money that (past generations of) men hoarded for themselves. reducing it to just "blame" seems like an immature oversimplification of a more complex issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 11:36 PM
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maybe go after a girl who is confident in the first place
/r/seduction07/04/26 04:21 PM
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and you're not even valued for that. i can understand why you're so bitter.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 05:14 PM
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can't imagine why any woman wouldn't want to sleep with the real you. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 05:11 PM
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you blame women for your own shitiness? shocking.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 05:10 PM
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what you could do then, is to stop asking women for advice and figure out how to get laid on your own? right?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 05:09 PM
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pffft lol i know you're not out here judging anyone after you said "i'm really good at manipulation"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 05:07 PM
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many many girls and women are taught to never intentionally use this "power" or they will be seen as cheap, manipulative, and less valuable as a person than a woman who doesn't. "They can fuck almost any straight single man with no effort" women carry more risk when it comes to sex - we are the ones who get pregnant, who are literally penetrated and more physically vulnerable, have a greater chance of catching STIs, and are more likely to be assaulted during an encounter than a straight man. so …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 09:15 PM
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she probably just got annoyed because you told her what to do. a lot of people don't like that. she did it and then maybe wondered if YOU were being overly controlling because you can't be trusted with your online relationships. starting to tell each other who the other can talk to, who they should block, etc is a slippery slope. if you don't like it, don't start it. edit to add - also you're a total hypocrite for not reciprocating. you're saying nothing ever happened with you and your school fr…
/r/seduction01/04/26 01:24 AM
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i would argue that it's not just $$$$. some young women legitimately are searching for older male approval in order to try and heal emotional wounds. so it's generally money or trying to fill a father figure role.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 11:13 PM
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just so you know this is the most tired argument that men like to make about age gap relationships. essentially "you're just jealous..." emotionally healthy young women don't want much older men. some women, young and older, can just see the game. some can't or don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 11:10 PM
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side note - i don't think anyone on this earth underestimates how much men value sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 08:07 PM
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lol okay stop being funny darn it
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 11:49 PM
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haha i'm afraid that's just not how it works but life would be a lot more fun if it did.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 11:47 PM
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yes, i require an emotional connection, plus an understanding of who he is as a person. i tend to be extremely discerning when it comes to sexual partners with the goal always being quality over quantity. and my understanding is that you think that is *bad* lol. fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 11:41 PM
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exactly, i thought that every single wiener we entertained reduced our value because wieners sully and dirty everything they touch. they're the septic tanks of genitalia, right? imagine explaining to your redpill boyfriend that you effed some guy just to see if all he wanted was sex. oh, never mind, no redpill man has a girlfriend and if he does she's a pick me loser, so...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 11:39 PM
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i can't get over how dry i feel after reading the words "let us fuck".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 11:33 PM
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okay well that's their choice. the men who do are the ones getting the dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 04:04 PM
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but men haven't stopped approaching. you talk like this is some movement en masse but women still get approached all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 04:00 PM
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every few months there's another man posting this exact same sentiment. "hey you told us to leave you alone so we did (sob)! don't you dare complain that we don't approach!" no one's complaining. the women who are, are outliers on the internet. most women do not want to be bothered while we're going about our lives. but the truth is, men haven't stopped approaching at all. maybe you have but just go over to the seduction subs.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 03:57 PM
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how are the crazy things you made up about prehistoric living relevant to reality?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 03:46 PM
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you are statistically more likely to be sexually assaulted by another man than falsely accused of assault by a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 11:25 PM
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"Women on the other hand were more dependent on the group or the tribe to survive. So when they face social exclusion, they get anxious and they relieve their anxiety by changing their beliefs to conform to the group." this is a wildly sweeping generalization with no facts to back it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 06:15 PM
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this study has ZERO to do with hypergamy. ZERO to do with dating habits. and is in no way relevant to the discussion/post happening on this page. this graph shows how men and women rate other people's attractiveness and their own attractiveness. women were generally rated higher. so? it doesn't talk about how that plays into dating dynamics at all. what relevant conclusions have you drawn from the information provided in that study?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 09:09 PM
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no i read the whole paper. it's not even about dating. apparently you're the one who didn't read it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 08:50 PM
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this study is about how people with facial features perceived as more attractive (for both genetic and societal reasons) are more likely to have other positive traits and experiences because of the way the world interacts with them. there's nothing about the 80/20 rule. or hypergamy. the only thing even close is that both men and women, on average, rated women's faces as more attractive than men's.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 08:45 PM
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can you link these studies? because my research has shown that the 80/20 is a massive oversimplification that doesn't even take into account offline relationships and pooled all the data from dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 05:55 PM
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so men with many partners also have difficulty pair bonding.
/r/seduction26/03/26 04:01 PM
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to me a good vibe is just the most basic starting point for attraction. i don't see how anyone could build a "real" connection on vibes. specificity is what makes people uniquely who they are. being "content" with no specificity doesn't compute for me. it reads like, all i need is a smiling mannequin and i'm all set! that's not a flex. at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 09:36 PM
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well, they're not mutually exclusive so there doesn't have to be a difference. people can be both or neither or just one.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 09:26 PM
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you don't have to take the view of anyone, you can incorporate both pieces of information to determine there is no one truth for one gender. not one single married woman i know is looking for something "better", they're committed to their husbands and families so...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 05:45 PM
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well, right, it's a major talking point because of the disproportionate rates of violence men perpetrate against women. i was talking about using my experience with one man to paint every man as disrespecting boundaries. that's not something i would do. i'm not saying that there aren't women doing with OP says. But OP described two scenarios - he didn't help the woman he was seeing move, and he refuses to do chores doing his rest time. he can call it a "boundary" if he wants but it's essentially…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 05:01 PM
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"They're content with beauty and a good vibe."
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 04:44 PM
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as i said, go to some of the dating and seduction subs and you'll see plenty of men who are not "grateful" who are constantly looking to see if they can do "better" = younger, hotter, etc. so, no. men aren't just benevolent sweeties happy to accept any lady who will love them. that's just made up.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 03:37 PM
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lol i just knew you would accuse the well adjusted man in the example of being a liar. so predictable. and hilarious that you think someone who (might have) done the work to come to terms with their romantic history is just full of shit and giving a "canned response". this is about getting to know someone. you ask one question. see how you feel about the response. if you feel you've sensed some depth, keep asking. it doesn't mean devote your life to the first man who gives you the answer you wan…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 03:29 PM
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he said beauty and vibes are enough. those aren't reasonable standards. to me, that's having no standards. that's treating someone like an ornament in your life rather than another full human. i'm talking about looking past the surface, which is the opposite of superficiality, so...? he's framing it like, searching for a man with the specific traits you like is being nit-picky. it's being discerning. it's also just straight up not true because there are plenty of men searching for the next hotte…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 03:20 PM
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you just keep giving anecdotal evidence based on women you've dated. i once dated a man who didn't respect my literal, physical boundaries and legitimately scared me. should i do a post entitled "why men don't respect women's boundaries and are scary"?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 02:09 AM
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so you're saying you, as a man, don't even know how to have a conversation with a woman to determine whether she's shallow or shows evidence of a full emotional life? "We look at the totality of a woman's charecter." ...by not asking any specific questions? "For example, plenty of people can rant about their lives for hours on end. That equates to "emotional depth to you?" no. what? ---------- let's try an example: woman to man: "hey, why did your last relationship end? now see if you can determ…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 01:23 AM
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so you disagree with OP's theory?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 01:08 AM
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this is a very long way of saying men are not as discerning when choosing a partner. "Trying to hyperanalyze someones personality for "emotional depth" is a pointless endeavor.' it's literally just asking them questions about themselves and their life.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 10:13 PM
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"They're content with beauty and a good vibe." lollll also this is not the positive you're framing it as. - hey, everyone guys don't need a real connection, and don't really even need to know a woman on an individual basis. just the most surface level attributes imaginable, and a man is content. - this makes men sound like morons with zero emotional depth.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 09:47 PM
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pffft. this whole post is a "nice try tho", dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 09:40 PM
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you should check out some of the dating advice/seduction subs. TONS of guys not sure if they should commit to the current woman they are seeing or if they can find someone hotter/younger/fitter. so...this isn't a real thing. just something you made up.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 09:38 PM
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i think you're losing the plot here. "When a woman is interested in you, she will not make you wait...Ask yourself this, how come you see some girls easily show their attraction and desire towards a guy they meet at a party or bar or college but are then making you wait? Even to the point they would sleep with the guy or makeout with the guy only after a few minutes at a party?" the idea here is, if a woman wants to take things slow or doesn't immediately sleep with you, she's not that into you.…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 04:13 PM
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when you say hoping for something or anything what do you mean? a romantic connection or a sex act or what?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 03:57 PM
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sex/sexual acts shouldn't be used as a proxy for romantic "effort". that's my whole point.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 03:54 PM
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lying is okay as long as the other person believes it. got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 03:37 PM
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then why even use it as a comparison when the two things are in no way comparable? it's just a weak argument. come on, as you're well aware, there are many men who do see paying for things as paying for access to a woman's body. glad to hear you're not one of them but there's no need to pearl clutch as though i'm way out of line for suggesting a man is capable of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 03:34 PM
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i'd like to add, as a side note, that i just cannot stand the way some of these guys equate paying for things with access to someone's body. i understand that (in theory) it's just a comparison of romantic effort/interest. but the idea that "bestowing" sex and sexual acts are in the same realm as buying someone a gift? ugh. anyway, you did a great job explaining, i just wanted to rant (not at you at all) for a second because - gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 04:24 PM
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nah.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 09:18 PM
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ChatGPT says - Early hunter-gatherer societies (often what people mean by “Stone Age”) were frequently small and relatively egalitarian, not dominated by powerful “chieftains” with harems. Evidence suggests complex mating networks, partner exchange between groups, and social rules to avoid inbreeding—not just one dominant male monopolizing women. Many societies show pair-bonding, shared mate choice, and family-level decision-making, not purely male control. EDIT TO ADD - many women look down on …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 12:47 AM
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my husband is 5'8. i never had a height requirement for my dream man but i did always hope i'd end up with a man with curly hair because i just adore it, and lucky me - my sweet hubs has a head of curly hair.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 06:36 PM
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he is genuinely one of the funniest people i've ever met. he makes me laugh in ways and about things i would never expect. he also matches playful energy really well so if i feel like randomly being ridiculous he's right there with me. 🩷 edit to add - there's so much more than this that i love about him but his humor was one of the first things that drew me to him
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 06:27 PM
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right? "... traditional seatbelt designs and crash-test regulations have historically been based on the average male body (approximately 5'9", 171 lbs), which often fails to protect women optimally. Consequently, women are 47% more likely to be seriously injured and 17% more likely to die in similar car crashes, as belts may not fit smaller frames or account for different sitting positions." like, the actual world.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 10:11 PM
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what are the comparable names we call men? like, what's the male equivalent of a whore? a fuck boy? not nearly as bad. a slut? a gold-digger? a tease? a prude? where is the equal judgement for men's sexual actions? i'm not playing the victim, i'm pointing out a reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 10:06 PM
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the labels arose from a society that views women and our sexual selves as a commodity. pushback against this mindset is relatively new, and doesn't negate the fact that it exists. that is because toxic masculinity refers to a specific strain of masculinity, where men's humanity is smothered in favor of a stoic, false ideal that harms men's mental health. it does not mean that anything masculine is toxic. no matter how many times i and other people have tried to explain this on reddit, there are …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 09:55 PM
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right totally like how women are called whores, sluts, gold diggers, prudes, teases, frigid, easy, etc because society just respects us so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 09:08 PM
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oh the horror of being seen as a human with accomplishments instead of just a warm hole.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 08:52 PM
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because to horny, desperate men being valued for only your genitals sounds like a great thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 06:49 PM
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"ATM husband who caters to all of their whims." when exactly did this happen? at what point in history are you talking about? when women weren't allowed to have financial autonomy they weren't having all their whims catered to lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 06:47 PM
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"Generally, women tend to not be interested in topics like philosophy and other things that dont have to do with them directly." holy shit. there are women who are professors of philosophy, give me a break. your argument is that men just go for looks and pussy and not substance and then you're going to try and say that men have more depth? what?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 05:22 PM
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these men aren't "putting up" with women because they "like them". they're doing it in the hopes of getting pussy. not out of the kindness of their hearts.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 05:16 PM
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men also aren't special or interesting in general, so yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 03:59 PM
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right? this is sort of framed as a dunk on women, when it's really just illustrating how desperate horny men enable and reward shallowness as long as they get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 03:31 PM
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average looking, rich old men are still not considered physically attractive or sexually appealing to young women. the only "attraction" is the lifestyle they can provide.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 12:05 AM
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where did you get this 80%, 20% break down? from that misused okcupid study?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 12:03 AM
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"Women would rather have a young hot man with the added strength advantage, superior sperm AND those resources" exactly. when a beautiful woman has her own resources she will often be with a handsome man of comparable age like, margot robbie's husband, like zendaya, like emily blunt, like anyone sofia vergara dates, like zoe kravitz, penelope cruz, dove cameron, jennifer lopez, tate mcrae. various ages all dating or married to contemporaries, not lusting after 50 year old men, if they're young n…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 11:51 PM
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men do have a larger fertility window but not typically as large as you are suggesting. Around age 35 Subtle declines begin. Sperm motility (movement) and morphology (shape) start to decrease on average. Age 40 and beyond Declines become more noticeable. DNA fragmentation in sperm tends to increase, which can affect fertility and pregnancy outcomes. After age 50 More pronounced reductions are typical. Conception may take longer, and risks of certain disorders in offspring can increase.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 11:28 PM
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i should have elaborated, hitting on someone any time they are shopping or working is a bad idea. i've actually never liked getting cold approached anywhere. but if you are going to approach anyway. you need at least a smile from that woman. not saying it's a green light, but what OP describes, her being totally indifferent before he started talking, is a recipe for failure.
/r/seduction07/03/26 11:07 PM
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usually look for at least a smile back as a signal to approach
/r/seduction07/03/26 05:39 PM
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"No, its actually very insightful." no it isn't. it's one of many many posts on reddit about how some women are entitled and some men enable that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 05:25 PM
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i love you for this. yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/26 02:59 AM
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i mean, i feel like that's what sex workers have been doing since the beginning of time. in order to maintain a customer base they often pretend to genuinely care about the customers. that's like, part of the whole deal if you have regulars right? onlyfans is just that, but able to reach more people.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 02:48 AM
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dudes with zero standards always have crazy stories. idk there are sociopathic dudes who attract other (almost literally) insane women, because crazy attracts crazy. but in all my days, my girlfriends, even my wildest girlfriends who would blow someone they just met, would NOT be paying for anything so, idk maybe this is possible but he is not pulling super cute girls. he's just appealing to lost lonely ladies and that's like shooting fish in a barrel.
/r/seduction02/02/26 02:08 AM
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"It also seems to me that for straight women, sex with a man is just as disgusting as for a straight man, sex with another man." no, sir. sex with a man you desire is the best thing ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 06:14 PM
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lol. sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 04:13 PM
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no. there is no "natural" inclination for women to cook. that is a cultural thing. if it was just natural for women to be the best cooks, male chefs wouldn't have stolen the career out from under women when they realized how much money could be made from quality food.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 03:41 AM
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so interesting because the majority of Michelin star chefs are men. so men are super, super capable at cooking. but when it's unpaid, domestic labor women are expected to just do it. what if, since women have jobs, men also learned to cook? is that insane? will their wieners fall off if they broil some chicken?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 02:55 AM
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"She said I'm not looking for a hookup and don't want to feel pressured into sex." i'm thinking that after your four hour conversation and really connecting on a deeper level, she was really into you, wanted to kiss, wanted to indulge that attraction, but assumed you wouldn't just say the equivalent of "hey wanna go fuck?" she was probably hoping for/expecting more romance, tension, nuance. but you wanted to fuck after 5 minutes of kissing, which is an understandable physiological reaction, but …
/r/seduction28/01/26 07:38 PM
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"a woman who told you upfront she likes deep connections and you spoke to her like a college corny frat boy moron." bingo.
/r/seduction28/01/26 07:32 PM
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you pissed her off and turned her off. so yeah, she wanted to get out of there.
/r/seduction28/01/26 07:31 PM
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seems like life would be a lot more fun if men and women could meet in the middle a bit more
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 12:18 AM
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"I let it be, though, and just acted unfazed by the rejection." good because she's not rejecting you, she's rejecting the idea of causal sex. when i was 21 i had only been with one guy as well. we were together for couple of years though, so i wasn't i was shy and inexperienced, i was discerning and knew casual hookups weren't for me. she is clearly indicating she doesn't want to sleep with you until she's sure you're relationship material. i would tread very lightly on trying to escalate. i thi…
/r/seduction24/01/26 05:21 PM
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can't speak for all women but when i was single, i was very discerning, never had a ONS, didn't like cold approaches, never did dating apps, never had a FWB, basically wanted to be able to tell my future husband about my past with pride rather than shame, etc etc i'm not a supermodel but i'm conventionally attractive (if you like pale ladies like anne hathaway lol) and have been approached in every possible way by every age, race, creed of men. my husband is short, and i guess not necessarily co…
/r/seduction23/01/26 01:27 AM
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"Nobody likes Chasing." there are men and women who live for the chase and lose interest once someone is "caught". so gonna have to go ahead and disagree there.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/26 12:03 AM
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but i thought a man being considered hook up material was a huge compliment. now her opinions don't matter?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 11:37 PM
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if a man told a woman she was wife material, and not just throw away hook up material, she would take it as a compliment. i'm thinking a woman saying the same sentiment is just trying to give the man's personality and values validation. he's someone to be taken seriously, not just some rando with a boner who happens to be in the right place at the right time.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/26 11:30 PM
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no because seeing the humanity in the opposite gender for the first time is not the same as understanding the opposite gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/26 11:14 PM
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"Lust is a necessary part of love, it's human nature. But if it was lust only, why do they hate promiscuous women so much? Why do they hate women who, apparently, would give them what they want so easily? Could it be because they want a loving realtionship with a loyal woman, but can't have one due to female hypergamy?" so you admit they do hate women, my guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 05:01 PM
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100% misogyny is closer to being universally applauded than it is universally reviled. the president of the us was found civilly liable for raping a woman and millions of people still don't believe her. a male supreme court candidate was accused of sexual assault during his confirmation hearings and millions of people didn't believe her either, and he was confirmed. another supreme court justice was formally accused of sexual harassment and he was still confirmed. men passing laws on what women …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 04:38 PM
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why yes i can! women can recognize many units of value beyond vaginas such as meters, centimeters, kilograms, wattage, and even time.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 10:48 PM
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lol "giving up her hole?" jeeeeezus dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 09:39 PM
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"Getting down on one knee to propose stems from medieval chivalry, where knights would kneel before lords or noblewomen as a sign of deep respect, loyalty, and subservience, later evolving into a romantic gesture of devotion, surrender, and commitment in courtship, a tradition popularized by romantic literature and media over time. "
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 02:57 AM
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Dan Bilzerian pays the models he hangs out with thank you for pointing this out. i feel like not enough men are aware of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 02:55 AM
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yeah, you don't seem like someone a woman would feel safe with. this comment proves it. i guess that's why you're so defensive about all this. ✌🏼
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 03:55 PM
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do you seriously think you're giving anyone a reality check that physical attraction is what leads to romantic sexual relationships? it doesn't sound harsh. it's how human beings function... i described intrusive, inappropriate, sometimes legitimately scary behavior and you made it sound like i'm bratty and ungrateful for disliking it. much of this attention starts for women when we are still children and by the time we're adults many of us are just wary of any approach. seems like you can't rel…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 12:41 AM
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it's not offense. i'm not going to be mad someone is attracted to me. that doesn't make any sense and i'm surprised you keep believing that's what i'm saying. it's weariness and annoyance at the way many men handle it. and it's not "being appreciated". it's being objectified and ogled. it's getting hit on in random places throughout the day when you have shown zero signs of interest or attraction. yelled at when you're walking down the street. having your friend's old uncle tell you your t-shirt…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 11:04 PM
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i understand how physical attraction works between humans. this post is about receiving too much unwanted, unsolicited attention for simply being female. i guarantee if you were followed around a target by large man in a stetson hat (yes this happened to me) for the entire time you shopped, only for him to follow you to your car to tell you he thinks you're beautiful, and then act like he doesn't believe you when you tell him you have an SO, you would complain about it. that's just one example o…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 09:40 PM
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but in these scenarios women aren't wanted "for being ourselves", we're wanted because we have boobs and a warm hole. and having man after man, none of whom you have interest in, and who are physically larger and stronger, come up to you like "hey boobs and a warm hole, can i interrupt your grocery shopping to make my horniness your problem?" it's not nearly as awesome as it sounds from the outside.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 04:26 PM
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well i do actually have a career, tv producer, that i paused to stay home with my babies and then picked back up once they were in elementary school. so, yeah!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 05:11 PM
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got it. yeah OP, telling a girl you're interested in, but you don't know well, that you are disappointed in her behavior is gonna decimate her attraction to you. you come across like a scolding parent rather than a potential boyfriend. big turn off.
/r/seduction06/01/26 04:59 PM
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my god, just the idea of being valued for my achievements instead of my pussy makes me euphoric.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 01:25 AM
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want to make sure i understand. you were just playing around, flirting, teasing and you gave her the rose as a cute gesture, and joked she was your girlfriend. then she just mentioned it to her cousin? or she told her cousin about it as though it was a big deal? either way, her cousin then asked you about it? was he mad or something? and then you confronted her about telling him?
/r/seduction05/01/26 07:41 PM
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do men want women to keep their body counts down or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 07:13 PM
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then i'm thinking you just ask your wife, in your own words, "hey, is having another threesome something you'd be down for? if you're not into these days no worries but i'm just curious to know how you're feeling about it." it sounds like you're mentally prepared for the possible disappointment of her saying eh, i'm actually just not into it at the moment, and that's great. i feel like the only way to really mishandle it would be to crash out if she says no, but you're not going to do that so, h…
/r/seduction05/01/26 05:14 PM
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are you sure these women who approached your wife were interested in threesomes? they might have just been hitting on her.
/r/seduction05/01/26 04:43 PM
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how are women supposed to keep low body counts and indulge their raw sexual desire for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 02:15 AM
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okay
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 09:06 PM
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haha...yeah...i can't tell you how disturbed i was by the fact that you made it to your 40's before you realized that when a woman is visibly uncomfortable by you touching, her that she's not "playing hard to get". "In the past, I'd backoff just so I would progress towards a goal but now it's more like a genuine intention of getting her to calm down and feel safe, it's really changed how they feel and how horny they get." "Maybe it's a new stage in life, but it's incredible how much more they en…
/r/seduction01/01/26 08:12 PM
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i must not be using incel correctly. i meant a maladjusted man who blames women for all his sexual - or lacktherof- issues. if i refused to be friends with a man simply because he was a virgin, or not particularly successful with women, i wouldn't have had, like, any male friends in high school or film school, or out in my job where i work with men who are editors, producers, actors, the whole gamut of personalities - extreme introverts to extreme extroverts. i mean i was a relatively late virgi…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 06:01 PM
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check out OPs post history. it's all young women with issues/histories of abuse by older men going after him. but yeah, he's just irresistible to these young girls! 🙄
/r/seduction01/01/26 02:01 AM
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oh just read your post history and you're, like, obsessed with younger women lol
/r/seduction01/01/26 01:59 AM
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then you should probably stop asking reddit questions about your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 01:19 AM
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wow, that's wild. men in their 40's were invisible to me when i was in my 20's. maybe they want financial stability? i always supported myself.
/r/seduction01/01/26 01:02 AM
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time for you to stop being friends with women because you clearly can't handle it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 12:47 AM
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sure, if the man is obviously an incel, i'm not going to want to be friends anyway. but the male friends i've had, have generally had girlfriends and friends, and aren't devastated every time a woman brings up sex so... edit - i misused incel here my bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 12:08 AM
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so the empathetic choice here is to assume that your male friend is sex-starved?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 09:28 PM
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lol not every woman is drowning in attention from men. so if a female friend of yours assumes that you are attractive enough to have your own sex life, she is the bad guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 08:51 PM
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not unless the man is very clearly asocial. if he has a job, friends, and looks like your average human being, why would anyone assume he is desperate for sexual options?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 08:34 PM
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but you're assuming that these women friends know that you don't have as interesting a sexual history as them, and they are purposefully flaunting their "wealth" while you are "poor".
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/25 07:27 PM
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is the only thing you're basing her attraction to you on the friend request? because that's not enough of an indication of romantic/sexual interest for all this overthinking.
/r/seduction28/12/25 10:38 PM
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lol. that. is. wild. good thing i wasn't drinking anything at the moment i read this because i would have either choked or sprayed it everywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 11:02 PM
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i think part of the problem is that you are just straight up not understanding what i'm saying but getting upset about it anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 09:02 PM
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i meant that pornos go in that order, like a script, not that the positions in and of themselves are the problem. "How am I going to move enough to maintain an erection if you won't even allow me to pull my dick back and put it in." what? literally what? do you think i mean you put it in and then we both just lie there without moving? of course you move it in and out. i'm saying it shouldn't feel like a script.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 09:00 PM
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i'll explain. i've only slept with people i've been in a relationship with. he was actually my first boyfriend/first everything. we loved each other, i also thought he was gorgeous. and i was extremely enthusiastic about passionately sucking his dick and did it all the time. it's actually one of my favorite things in general and i prefer it to receiving (i'm sometimes too sensitive). for some reason, even though i tried to gently show, explain things i thought i might prefer, he could not stop m…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 08:16 PM
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anyone who is a late-in-life virgin could be seen as a red flag for various reasons. i think a huge part of this is what age we're talking about for the parties involved. if the man is still a virgin when he's 24, nbd. if he's a virgin when he's 34, a possible partner might wonder why.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 01:58 AM
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"Women want a man desired by many women and who can dominate them all." such a massive generalization. it never occurred to me to want a slutty, bossy man.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 01:55 AM
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how is it more reasonable for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 01:49 AM
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"just like women's insecurity that they would have to financially or emotionally support a man." that's a worry some women might have. not an insecurity.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 10:19 PM
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it's so funny because they just apply this double standard - that serves them - and think it's true. because they want it to be true. hey, women love sluts but men hate them! it's like...stop for two seconds and think about how this narrative might be self serving. are you capable of that, guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 10:17 PM
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"I have a hard time believing that he is doing radically different things with his mouth, hand, penis than other men." well believe it. i was also with a man who "led" who thought he was great. who had A LOT of experience before me. basically treated me like we were in a porn film. 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 10:14 PM
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"Not to mention more people to compare you against making her harder to satisfy." i find this so interesting because i was a 19 year old virgin when i met my first boyfriend/first time sexual partner and even though i had zero experience before him, as time went on and i was never orgasming, i thought surely it can be better than this. and it made me curious about what other men had to offer. i never engaged in casual sex or got a high body count because it's just not my style. but not having an…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 10:00 PM
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so men's insecurity that they won't measure up to past partners is the issue
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 09:38 PM
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this is giving men's sexuality way too much credit/power. not every instance of sexual arousal for women is reactive. it depends on the person. also, not all women are attracted to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 09:30 PM
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