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Bro for anyone else I get it, but this is under the assumption of RANDOM redditors posting THEIR topics throughout the COMMUNITY. You don't have to address the homeless man on the street in the marketplace of ideas just because hes out there EVERY DAY screaming at the clouds Lilith legit posts almost every day lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 04:16 PM
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These people obviously disagree with your opinion lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 03:48 PM
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Nah I was trying to say the IDEA of why bumble was like that in the first place. That was the mindset/idea. It obviously failed because they completely changed the model/made ways to get around it. It wasn't a stupid try tho, it was a valid experiment. Just didn't work is all.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 02:10 PM
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Bro is femcel watching
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:33 PM
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Crazy that I would ever hear a fuckin 20yo talk about "looksmaxing" in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:26 PM
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WW2 was on to something....
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:22 PM
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They SHOULD be more honest and upfront but thats just the nature of mating. (NOT excusing it) But There isn't someone for everyone, attractiveness isn't fully subjective. It wouldn't be possible for every man en masse to all at the same time raise their level of attractiveness because the entire baseline of attractiveness would just raise. Which means that STILL SOME men that want casual sex would not get laid at ALL by ANYONE. Most people aren't content with not getting what they want until dea…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:20 PM
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Im pretty sure this has been a thing on tinder for years.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:17 PM
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Because women don't respond even on tinder sometimes. If you are just using it for dopamine/validation and essentially fake matching and never INTENDING to reply you just look dumber doing it on bumble. Even getting you to invest in sending the first message mentally sets the tone that you WANT to interact.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:13 PM
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If you applied this logic to real life, humanity would die out in under 200 years. For men mating, dating, courting will ALWAYS be a numbers game, in every aspect, in every attempt, in ANY system. Its not that reading profiles is SOO hard its that women are fickle and passive and the only way a family gets made 99% of the time is BECAUSE the man MADE it happen. It manufactured or organized the overal scheme of it happening. Its why the man proposes most times, the man plans the dates, and why DI…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:10 PM
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SOOO real. Gotta socially lubricate those truths bc their too icky for people to think about lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:08 PM
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20yo is HELLA late in my area my guy, 14-16 is the normal age to lose it in my deep south area. Yeah It might be slightly tone deaf but if your talking about the guy I think you are (Blocked me I don't see his replies anymore) then being a 33yo virgin literally doesn't give you the right to make more of them, you don't get to be a POS because you didn't get to experience a normal human interaction. The only way to get out of the funk is to just lie, fake it till you make it and blame any "weirdn…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 01:05 PM
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Lilith Slop post of the day #02992
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 12:58 PM
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This is the one, Its over competition all it is lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 12:57 PM
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This is fine, but when society bends natures rules to push messaging such as "You can get good genetics too super low value woman!" It kind of throws that messaging out the window.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 12:56 PM
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Did not, I fell for tinder gold a few times ONLY because they have those random sales and I'd wait till I got like 8 likes or something but besides that, never paid for other premium versions of apps
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 12:48 PM
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Buddy you got it so twisted I am essentially incel adjacent. I try to help incels in REAL life when I can. I get the struggle, I really do. Im essentially built like one with the same mental patterns. I struggled with women for a long time, like a LONG time. I didn't lose my virginity until I was 20. TWENTY. And it was only because of a super specific situation, I didn't just get accepted by society lol. I would never want someone to stay in their funk and drag a NEW incel down to the depths for…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 09:12 PM
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You simply are creating more yous, you are what you hate. You can stew and ruminate but you are ouroboros. A self replicating polyp of hate. You might FEEL like the world deserve some get back and while SOME people just out of random chance may get their dues, in the cross fire, a younger you, a younger innocent clone of you fresh to the world will ALSO get caught in the cross fire. They don't deserve that. You didn't get the protection you deserved, but that doesn't mean that someone that didn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 08:32 PM
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Absolutely insane mindset. You should fight back to the people directly causing your suffering. The collective is not causing that. This is literally school shooter reasoning. You do NOT get back at the ones that caused you pain by going into a random classroom and punching Claude while hes doing his homework because thad, and ryan beat you up.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 08:12 PM
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The world is not a conscious being that prescribed malice to you. It is uncaring and unable to feel anything. Individuals not the collective made you suffer, making the collective suffer for the act of individuals is childish and reductive. You are giving the same treatment you yourself hated. Uncaring =/= Malice If you make it 0.1% worse I will go out of my way to make it 1% better lol People don't deserve that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 07:34 PM
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Im not encouraging it im just not actively discouraging it. If you get relief/joy in say every human being sterilized then you should probably sterilize yourself. I wouldn't WANT you to do that but if you would be happier with yourself AND ME sterilized then yeah, you should probably self sterilize.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 07:18 PM
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Poly is NOT the answer for this tho lol. If you require your partner to work emotionally to fix a problem that you do not like, you do the same physically.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 06:09 PM
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This right here "why are you dating women like that" Because unlike women we don't HAVE 1,000,000 options to sift through. We wade through what picked US lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 04:29 PM
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Yeah thats valid I think there are SOME people that have the mental intelligence and introspection to be able to articulate what they themselves have responded to. I just feel like these people are FEW and far between.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 04:14 PM
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The reason we are talking a passed each other is because I don't think PUA or red pill talking points hold PASSED that point lol. The ENTIRE point IS the initial bait. Without it you don't have ANYTHING to catch. I don't disagree with your recent comment but we were talking ABOUT the initial bait. And talking forever on apps just leads to ghosting most times and just doesn't work on average many people are MUCH better at communicating in person. You lose all tone, facial cues, body language ect …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 04:10 PM
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That just isn't the average experience of men dating. The normal reaction to this behavior is ghosting. Which is why men don't do it anymore. Im not saying that didn't work but its a less successful method that will leave LESS options on the table. Dating is a #'s game.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 03:56 PM
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I don't necessarily DISAGREE but it also removes the differences of generations. I don't think gen-x boomer men and woman have much applicable advice of current DATING dynamics. Most of what they have is good advice towards LARGE scope general LIFE partner advice which doesn't always translate to current dating. I think people with current success in similar dating goals to you are more valid to follow. IE a guy trying to learn about success in dating learning from a guy successful in dating and…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 03:46 PM
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I love the forst movies.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 03:17 PM
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Yeah many men do this, I guess just better listening skills is the answer for a lot of guys lol
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 03:02 PM
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Women give as bad advice about getting with them as men do for getting with them. People lie, all the time, they do not say what they respond to. Ever. Actions speak x1000 louder than words.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 02:47 PM
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This is insane because if a woman finds a guy not fully attractive and she gets a better bite on her line that puts in LESS effort she will just go on a date with him. After like 30 ghosts this isn't a method that any normal human would continue, he WILL look for a cheat or shortcut. What insane people would just continue doing the same thing expecting different results. Women just assume that everyone has conversations and that men just keep messing it up. MANY men don't get a response after th…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 02:45 PM
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No doubt its defo something people need to work on in general. Its just getting that slap upside the head once they start going autopilot BEFORE it gets to a point of breakup. And how to get someone to recognize this.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 02:36 PM
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You can't say that bigger better countries took some of their resources which means they HAD to objectify and abuse women and children, rely on less efficient means of doing every process on the planet and basically stay cavemen! The internet isn't hyper cheap especially with the invention of star link!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 02:19 PM
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Big brain redditors always bring up the "population collapse is good because humanity is a scourge" Like just hop in the garbage already lil bro nobody is keeping you here.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 02:17 PM
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holy shit its like watching a gazelle pull the mask off and reveal they are a lioness. I don't think I've ever seen a woman say/type this. Women are getting more power (still not as much as men obv) so with this new found power they will act like men and men don't like it lol. On one hand I love it because those dorks that did behavior like this get a taste of their own medicine. On the other hand I've never done this but can still get done dirty MORE now just getting caught in the cross fire. C…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 02:12 PM
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IS it a complete good thing tho? I truly don't believe a community of DINKS and partnered individuals could garner NEAR as much power as a community of general scope agreeing nuclear families with children. And power is important, I don't think you can carry ideas worth passing on if you don't have that power is my only fear of leaning so far into being partnered with 0 inclination of community.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 02:06 PM
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Wonder why that is, I've even done it lol. I know a lot of people fall on auto pilot after a certain point.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 01:46 PM
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Why do you think that is?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 01:19 PM
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Has had. When it comes to Gen Z the casual hookup scene has risen vs the previous gen. Everyone I have ever met has had hookups. Its not that they currently have a roster of FWB. Its an insecurity of the possibility that guy that drops her off EVER. And MOST men would rather remove the possibility of EVER happening to them vs being open and trying to date "normally" like women here try to suggest.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 10:10 PM
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100% im just saying that its a gendered relationship reality that is also unpleasant. I don't HATE them for it, but recognizing this and then also recognizing that men don't structurally rely on each other for emotional support and realizing that one of the gendered realities is that this man might use me as emotional outlet because he doesn't have a support system in place as its not supported as often means that we have to deal with things that are unpleasant. Don't complain about one and then…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 04:31 PM
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Or you've never dated women. I heard the words "sorry for being crazy" in real life, by my girlfriends lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 04:18 PM
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Don't hate on the tall girl mommies either tho 😆
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 04:12 PM
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Women when they can't regulate their emotions based on their hormones. "im being crazy rn" Is a social media trend for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 04:09 PM
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Everyone just invalidates everyone else's struggles so they can feel like a victim instead of giving space to vent. I understand woman's struggles, I hear them, I can empathize with them. I do not do this broadly, only for specific women. So many egalitarian women will spout on and on about their very real life oppression and things they've had to deal with and yet when I as a straight man make a passing comment about any kind of difficulty the most gender neutral, egalitarian feminist still can…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 04:08 PM
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Yeah im not gonna lie maybe like HALF of the upper echelon of attractive ness has a tiny roster but the average woman is overweight, probably just watches reality tv and is boring as a door mat, just like the average man lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 03:38 PM
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Beanstalk king.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 03:36 PM
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That you equate being naked to being strong is insane. One takes energy, and effort. You aren't just naturally strong and you use that strength to make physical things happen. Also its about the compensation. There is no planet where the upper ceiling for either of these trades even comes close. Sure the man has almost no effort (still more than being naked) but in any state in this country he isn't making more than 25/hr. The naked women can possibly make 250 in minutes. Strength has other corr…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 03:33 PM
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Why stop at 6'6? Honestly queen if he isn't 12' + is that even a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 02:47 PM
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Not wrong, the thing the blues wont say on here is that some men wont EVER find someone that is sexually attracted to them enough to give of raw desire like that. Dealing with both types of women its night and day. I've been on both sides and they can keep that lame shit lol. I need one that wants me immediately, they make more excuses for you, you get more leeway for "messups", your painted in a better light. I stg redditors just lie to win arguments most times, seen this in real life too many …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 02:13 PM
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This is why he acts this way you truly believe YOUR OWN situation is what ACTUALLY applies to what HES talking about. You really think these men just have the secret figured out and are even "courting" these women. lol. We've seen what some guys have to do, we've DONE what some of these guys have done. Yeah im not getting to "emotionally" know her when I've BEEN the guy that smashes after she gets dropped off from her nice wholesome bowling date. psshht yall can keep that lame shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 02:07 PM
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absolutely positively wrong when it comes to dating and attraction. Watch what they do not what they say
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 02:03 PM
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Ahh almost as sexually arousing as being daddy, therapist, parent, mediator mmmmm
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 01:59 PM
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Seen it happen to other guys, talked to friends that are women that did this, had it happen to me, WAS the fwb while she was "dating" a wholesome guy. Lol its like you all think these takes are from online only and not real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 01:57 PM
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I want to be a devils advocate and disagree with you but literally every single one of my relationships were started on my terms with the chick wanting to hookup first and every single one worked out flawlessly in the beginning. I just don't chase women that don't want me immediately. Like its fine if you want to wait but uhhh, never worked for me. And with all the horror stories of DIFFERENT guys literally smashing chicks after getting dropped off by mr wholesome yeahhhh sorry that wont EVER be…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 01:37 PM
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Many women don't need a man that yearns and earns, they understand that its 2026! :) They can get what they bring to the table. Equal partnership.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 01:35 PM
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Should, its an opinion. Just like everyone on the planet has opinions about everything. I also don't think two consenting adults should willingly pick a toxic relationship with each other over and over again but they are absolutely free to do it. People have opinions on everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 09:46 PM
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Yeah no doubt when I reply sometimes I guess im mainly trying to piggyback and add tiny bit more info instead of contradict what I replied to thats all.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 08:45 PM
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Pillow princess is absolutely an insult. Its more effort than a starfish but its basically no position changes, no different tempos get set, literally nothing happens without the initiator making it happen which CAN be hot but after the 12th time having sex can just feel like lack of effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 08:30 PM
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Nah this is cap I lean more towards being on mens side most times but theres absolutely a spot to be in life man or woman that after something serious and sad that you wouldn't want companionship for a time. Also if the relationship was smothering too. New found freedom to be alone can be invigorating and grief after a true deep relationship will make you not want to connect with new people as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 08:15 PM
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Wrong andddd wrong on point 2. You can't get gender specific benefits while removing the responsibilities and restrictions of freedom that come with it. You quite literally can't have your cake and to eat it too. Neither can men which is why the previous system failed.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 08:01 PM
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Or hell get with a woman that isn't barefoot and pregnant lol An actual adult.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 07:57 PM
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What an absolute misandrist black pill take lol. Using this logic, if you have absolutely no empathy towards men in general then men en masse should CONTINUE to push their advantages and keep you behind until the end of time. Why would I give up power to people that would easily watch me crumble to dust and blow away? I STILL would have general empathy to people that im not trying to get romantically with. But if apathy is all you have left baby im REPPING the patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 07:45 PM
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They shouldn't have that option. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Unbalanced general arrangements should be actively shamed and discouraged. It breeds entitlement, double standards and hypocrisy. Its as morally bankrupt as narcissism. You shouldn't have what you yourself are not even if the other side would willingly give it to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 07:28 PM
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Holy misandrist black pill. An entire country of men would thrive and at least survive. An entire country of women would be crushed and subjugated almost immediately. I am specifically raising my sons to oppress people like you lol
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 07:24 PM
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Been saying this, you cannot benefit from these behaviors and then try to act like my equal egalitarian partner. Either be treated as men treat men, or remove some freedoms/opinions from yourself and get the benefit. There is no reality in which you get both.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 06:57 PM
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I will say the ONE singular chick friend I have is AS deep if not slightly more deep than MANY of my male friendships but I've just never experienced what you described on average. No doubt I think living in a more southern state a lot of women have a "southern belle" framework even when they are more egalitarian so i've essentially been treated like a stand in boyfriend without the benefits. (asked for favors with reciprocation, no initiations to do things/hangout. I never stay in arrangements …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 06:48 PM
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Correct, what im saying is I've noticed FAR more women do this specifically towards their male straight friends than vice versa. Very few women will platonically act like a bro and do all the things a guy would do for you. I have at least 6 different guys I know right now that I don't even consider GOOD friends that would come help me on the side of the road for a break down. I know of ONE woman that would do the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 06:13 PM
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Now take this take and apply it to sex with men and women. All of a sudden the orgasm gap comes up and how its not equal. There is a friendship effort gap between men and women also. I've 100% tried to keep female friendships platonic and they start asking for things I would NEVER ask my male friends for.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 06:04 PM
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I have, multiple women, young to middle aged. She would view the man thinking of her as lesser than previous partners. Thats the "ripped off" part of it. This isn't some alien take, this is a general normal insecurity that both genders have. I get it, reddit women love thinking every normal average take that most of the country treats as normal (not healthy but normal) is some insane take that they'd never heard of and that everyone is egalitarian and complete 50/50.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 06:01 PM
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BOOM this one. I hate it when blue pill men have the mindset of "I was walking on the sidewalk behind a woman and to make her feel more safe I ran into traffic, was hit by a car and then castrated myself on the spot" Like that shit aint my job , fix your own issues, deal with life like I have to. YOU switch street sides. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 05:31 PM
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In the same way a woman can feel "ripped off" because a man won't commit to her as deeply as he deep a previous partner. She isn't entitled to a certain level of commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 05:29 PM
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Because if you experience this multiple times (from the male perspective), (being told to wait for sex) when multiple times, finding out that these multiple women were promiscuous earlier with men that were more conventionally attractive than you, then you start thinking "hmmm what seems more likely, that ALL 5 of these women ALL decided at the same time to forever stop sleeping with men early? Or is it MORE likely that this woman is not physically attracted to me as much as the other guys and i…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 03:52 PM
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Also I think women could EASILY navigate this line of "wanting to seem interested" vs not sleeping with him too fast by simply BEING interested. I think even guys that HOLD the view that you NEED to sleep with them early would put that on the back burner if women intentionally, enthusiastically, set up 2nd/3rd dates, initiated more, stopped acting coy/passive. Like I GET it every reddit woman on this website ever has been as enthusiastic as a labrador retriever with EVERY single guy they've gott…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 01:25 PM
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THIS is the truth. Its women running into a hard wall because men DONT GET to have fast sex on average. You gave it all up and now want to change but your running into men who on average have been kept out the game and feel ripped off. Its MANY women doing this behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 01:17 PM
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So it isn't a 1000% guaranteed method but even LOOSELY following the general structure will get you infinitely more success than if you were just a socially awkward genuine geek that many women give as advice to be as "genuine" as possible. Dating is a numbers game for men, they aren't filtering they are putting themselves out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 12:50 PM
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When the black pill is SPITTING
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 12:41 PM
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No, this is the dating mindset of a laser focused permanent mission oriented woman looking to secure stable long term partnership. Like I GET why SOME people date like this, but im NOT trying to do that. Im literally just seeing what new people are like and vibing. I just DID the whole uber serious thing we can chill out for a little bit lol
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 12:32 PM
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But there is a BIG homophobia gap in the American black community. If im trying to bring this point up how would I do it? Genuinely asking for next time?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 12:27 PM
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Wrong, creator of problem vs user of problem. The drug dealer is ALWAYS worse than the drug user.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 08:06 PM
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Get the fuck out my head, I literally made a comment under this one and started talking about the stop Asian hate movement and deleted it because I thought it was gonna too "ranty" LMAO
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 05:26 PM
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I agree with this so heavily, as a 30yo so many people take life so uber seriously. Trying to keep a tiny bit of whimsy in my life make many people think im immature and its just like nah man im sorry I have a tiny little spark left in my soul lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 04:08 PM
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I get men would be turned off by this prospect but holy shit would it make for actual improvement in many men that actually took criticism to heart. Sex is one of the most touchy topics on this planet and if people just said "nah the sex was wack, get better but not with me" Many would be butthurt but many other would actually know what they did wrong instead of "not feeling a spark"
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 03:47 PM
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Because of what G0_0NIE said, people just lie to win arguments on reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 02:58 PM
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I want to disagree with this for some reason but literally every single possible relationship where I came out unscathed was because the women initiated, wanted everything from me while I got to make the decision, and casual sex was on the table from day 1. I have infinitely more grace and tact than what I've seen women handle when they have a majority of the power in relationships. Most relationships aren't egalitarian 50/50 partners like progressive redditors love to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 02:56 PM
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Because men and women value different things. Its the SAME exact scenario as a woman waiting to have sex with a man before he "proves himself" by valuing her and not only wanting her for her body.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 02:53 PM
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To a certain degree, using your own inverse logic to its conclusion she would cheat on me the second I took a 10k a year pay cut! That isn't love worth fighting for in any scenario for any man, thats being used. Cheap flimsy foundation for a relationship that would be better off separated
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 02:49 PM
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The problem you are not understanding is that women match with men all the time they aren't initially attracted to. Its counter productive but women will match with men they don't find initially attractive for a number of reasons like "giving someone a chance", resource extraction, and punching down their league for an ego boost. Men want to be literally none of these guys in any of these scenarios. You incorrectly assume everyone going on a date, and or matching are initially attracted. If you …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 02:45 PM
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The big overlap that progressives don't like mentioning too is how much overlap there is between the minority community (mainly black) and homophobia. A white womans greatest cognitive dissonance is a straight black man calling their (the white womans) black gay friend an f slur lol. They literally juggle which group is more underprivileged and try to make a judgement call instead of just calling out bad behavior. The only reason I say this is because predominantly "zesty" talk and memes started…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 12:27 PM
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Literallyyyy its so funny getting that comment when you feel like you barely did anything. I think everyone wants a mini therapist throughout their day lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 04:52 PM
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"I completely rebuild the engines of cars, trucks, boats, and airplanes. I put together my first tranny at age 10. I scoff any time a man even SPEAKS to me in Autozone. "
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 04:45 PM
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1000% valid. Usually its some old man or woman trying to give a 23yo dating advice and then when you ask them "well how do you know that works" They say "WELL IVE BEEN MARRIED THE PAST 25 YEARS" Like their marriage is indicative of knowing what works, today.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 04:43 PM
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This just isn't true at all. You can have absolutely insane thought processes and if someone tries to use any socially isolating tactics like "EVERYONE LOOK AT THIS GUY BEING WEIRD" you just flip it around on them and be like "nah you're being weird sorry dog your crazy." It works almost every time because most people can't handle conflict if it has any pushback.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 04:35 PM
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It was just lil silly fun fun man
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 04:30 PM
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I think many people that have trouble with this concept want to BE that person talking. and for 2 equally interested people they would both contribute at a similar rate but the truth is humans are selfish and sometimes you just gotta be that one that listens/is interested more lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 04:22 PM
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HOEEE MY GOD Not even neets, not even the guys in this sub. NORMAL socializing younger people cannot even fathom this. I ALWAYS say, you don't HAVE to contribute (esp in a group setting) to EVERY single topic. Sometimes you can just (politely) shut the fuck up, which basically means just listen lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 04:19 PM
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heh I know lel :P
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 04:16 PM
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China might be on to something
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 04:15 PM
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blacks??!??!?!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 04:13 PM
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But their ease and availability to TRY to improve their social skills is VASTLY different. People take your previous jokes that didn't land and find them hilarious all of a sudden. Your "strange" "introverted" hobbies become neat quirks. ect ect ect they get MUCH more leeway and have to work MUCH LESS
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 04:10 PM
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Rates are higher with queer women cope.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 03:33 PM
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The browns mentioned Cleveland for life baby
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 03:06 PM
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This is why credit card debt is so high. Your entire comment is just a MORE poverty stricken more serious version of what the average american calls "doom spending" Shit I do it lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 03:03 PM
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Ok but they shoot UP consistently while men shoot up down and on their level.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 02:58 PM
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I think there is defo truth to your comment 1000%. But then usually people that make comments like this also ignore the few college educated, mentally stable, well rounded women friends we see absolutely get with the worst option possible in favor of attraction. A dude with no job, no car, no prospects, not even that fun socially in group settings. Just to let him go scorched earth and complain about it later.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 02:51 PM
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Thats a fair take, can't even argue that. I change my mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 02:02 PM
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So then previously, the market was also accurate? When women had to rely on men thats just what they had to do, no complaining :)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 02:01 PM
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It has ALWAYS been "my money is my money and HIS money is OUR money :D" Everyone on reddit will say "but my super specific non average marriage is so egalitarian everyone has to be like mine" But literally EVERY single marriage I have ever seen at all ages from every couple has been my quote. Every time.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 02:00 PM
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All the pink labels here saying "wow can't beleive shes putting up with that" Would hoot and hollar saying "SIS KEEP YA COINS" "He can pay half he STILL makes 150k a year" If it was the man making 150k year. This sub has so many femcels tucked inside it. imo I think you should be paying MORE, but not all. She can pay like 1k-2k per month. Its to make her still have skin in the game.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 01:51 PM
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Yes, Rates of female-perpetrated violence higher than male-perpetrated (28.3% vs. 21.6%) Domestic Violence Facts and Statistics At A Glance – Domestic Violence Research
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 01:48 PM
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I mean I didn't say those things are sufficient to replace real women. The point is mens sexual drive won't be a "fact of life" and women just naturally forever have the advantage. Culture changes constantly. Having this constant advantage isn't egalitarian and it won't stay this way. Just give it like 40 years lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 01:48 PM
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Literally, trump is so bad that unless you are outwardly an actual activist going to protests then you get avoided for being "non political" or accused of being right wing and trying to hide it to date left wing women. Like I get SOME guys do that but just because im not going to protest #6 and I like fucking painting instead doesn't mean i support orange man .
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 01:45 PM
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Crickets to this
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 01:42 PM
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Whats VX gas lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 01:36 PM
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If this ain't the god damn TRUTH. Its like I get not staying for actual abuse but it seems when couples get to a "breaking point" instead of working through it looking for compromise its just an "incompatibility issue" and thats it lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 01:32 PM
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This is true. I don't like when women punch down on unsocial dorks but this is a reason why so many do it. Fatties and uggos talk basically makes it free reign. I wish people didn't punch down on non conventionally attractive people in general. :(
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 01:18 PM
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Or unless something gets created to APPEASE mens sexual drives without women. This can be broken for the better. Dating would be better if we both didn't need each other
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 01:13 PM
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Not in todays age from what i've observed lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 01:10 PM
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"Ok so in what way are women “overcorrecting” the dating market and forcing men to date outside their league? You gave no explanation." By them desiring above their punching bracket. This will self correct in a couple of years. "When women do this, they’re called “hypergamous” and not appreciative of their dating market “match”. Why does that not apply to men?" This DOES apply to men, this is BAD behavior. Im simply explaining what they do not promoting it. Men should be correcting their OWN beh…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 10:10 PM
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The old market WAS incorrect. Im not saying it wasn't. When disenfranchised groups gain ANY semblance of power they overreach (rightfully) as far as possible because removing power is FAR harder than gaining it. Where you stop reaching is where you draw the line in the sand. Women are overcorrecting currently because of all the new found freedoms they are living with. "If they desire those women then how are the women beneath them? When dating dynamics in its most honest form are dictated by des…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 09:25 PM
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If you can only afford water and bread because the main supplier of food has halted all food imports into your country is the market "correct?" Is it accurate? Men are lopsiding the market by desiring women that are below them. People can be generally ranked. Life and attraction isn't 100% objective or subjective. An overweight slob with no charisma and no ambition is generally to most people less desirable and valuable than a very conventionally attractive doctor who is social.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 09:07 PM
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Wrong. There are objective general attractive qualities that most people find desirable. You can use these to measure people generally. The subjectiveness only matters once close in desirability generally. A 10/10 traveling model is no where close on the same planet to a neck beard that has 0 ambition and plays video games all day.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 09:05 PM
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Correct. But only right now currently, the market is lopsided. Guys current leagues ARE dating down. This is mens fault for over inflating worth of people that are under them. But yes unless a PERSON can CONSISTANTLY get with a certain caliber of people then they aren't in that league. If a guy pulls a hot girl once he cannot bag baddies he is punching up. If a guy consistently pulls 5/10s then in the current market HE himself is a 5/10.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 08:54 PM
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What the post said ISNT why many women have these requirements. Its only half right.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 07:50 PM
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When men make general posts about womens requirements its what IS happening tho. In this concrete example sure, if shes consistantly dating doctors then her requirements ARENT delusional, what im saying is generally across the spectrum my original comments scenario IS WHY MOST women have this requirement. It isn't because they are bagging hot 10/10 guys and just dating around through this pool. Its because they are punching up their weight bracket (having sex with a hotter guy) failing to get hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 07:49 PM
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It isn't completely achievable tho. It is subjective and delusional many times. Just because the doctor fucked you ONCE a few years ago does NOT mean you can consistently pull doctors now lol
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 07:42 PM
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Take my on your yacht big fella show a fella how to get with the $$$ lol
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 07:38 PM
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Written in the DNA unfortunately, Test and sperm are an almost biological wiring lol. Hard to turn the monkey brain off.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 06:49 PM
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Im happy for it, anytime a group that was disenfranchised that suddenly gets MORE power (not saying its enough yet) (women) they over correct. So thats why the landscape is the way it is. Sucks that I had to grow up during this cultural shift but it is what is it. Wish I could have been born a few decades later once all this calms down Im all for everyone wanting better, the problem is when you tell the average guy with the average job that hes delusional to want the leagues above him traveling …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 06:24 PM
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But you aren't en masse lol. On average you STILL want better. You can't have your cake and eat it too but what most men see is that the nurses don't want nurses, they want the doctors, para legals don't want other para legals, they want the top lawyers, ect ect ect. You are either an egalitarian 50/50 partner and can't want someone vastly above you or you reduce your equal 50/50 and go after those better men there is no in between. This is a problem that IS a monolith. Society either conditions…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 06:11 PM
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I fundamentally disagree that you would have this mindset had you received no positive feedback for the majority of your life. As children we literally only form our confidence FROM positive feed back. Very few people make it through adolescent as normal healthy people with 0 need to socially adjust with either negative or neutral experiences as a majority of their world view.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 05:16 PM
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Its not really autistic at a certain point there ARE expectations for MOST people when doing good. AS AN EXAMPLE (im not saying this is you or how you think): As an attractive woman, you don't MIND when someone doesn't repay your kindness BECAUSE MANY men have already repaid you when you were kind. You attribute this to a decent chunk of people being nice to you BECAUSE you were nice to them when in reality probably 80% of these nice men would have been nice to you already (without you even bein…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 04:35 PM
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Yeah I've had a few hangups in regards to general advice given to neurotic men but legit some of these guys cannot handle any kind of middle ground. Lol Just be interested in people, if they aren't interested in you back at least you have feedback. Most people like hearing themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 02:09 PM
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god damnit the way you give examples is so funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/26 01:28 PM
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Man, thank you for the comments. Not many people really dive deep into the details of their advice. All great reads for anyone else who discovers this chain.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 10:08 PM
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I think this is just big city cope. Most men I see at every age aren't gyming super hard, for every jacked 25yo there are 5 35 yos with beer bellies
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 10:06 PM
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Divorced HER lol You projected me as a 22yo college kid that didn't know what he was talking about. Im older than you, have had more relationships, have BEEN married. I think I got more skin the game than you young buck. More experience knowledge and in more environments. Settle down.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 09:28 PM
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You are literally just saying shit lol. Theres no folding your just wrong, about all opinions you've given so far. Ill go ahead and delete this lil bro don't worry.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 09:25 PM
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Im just saying, I have HAD success and have HAD men younger than me achieve success. Its that it isn't as simple as having those social skills. You will literally not get an in if you have those social skills and nothing else. If you don't GET to the starting line you don't even have the CHANCE to "woo them" I have had success, do you know when it started? AFTER I changed the physical. This doesn't mean you can look like a greek god and pull. But I developed my social skills first, I had slightl…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 08:56 PM
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I am normal. Stop being tarded, please. I was a bartender at one point in the MIDDLE of night life lol. Just stop being dumb about ish you don't know anything about.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 08:45 PM
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Bro thinks anyone passed the age of 21 can't know internet lingo, I didn't even use it in the correct context. Thats not even what it means. Keep laughing my guy and giving incorrect advice. Blue pilled till death.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 08:39 PM
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Chud, it was an example. Im 30. Never said I was 30, I was using being a 22yo younger guy than me as an example. Have BEEN married, have had LTS, STR, and situationships. I had to improve myself in both aspects. I didn't see ANY measurable results until I proved myself physically as well. All my weird, creepy, quips, suddenly became quirky and endearing, my jokes that didn't land said the SAME exact way suddenly started becoming funnier, my weird hobbies all of a sudden became interesting. Crazy…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 08:34 PM
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No, you take those men strip them of their attractiveness and leave their good social skills and they will have MORE success. Not much but MORE than the non conventionally attractive social man. This isn't true, at all. In anyway ever. Most guys were not lady killers. You would thrive because you specifically cultivated skills AND became more attracitve. The average guy that had normal success back in the day (if thats you) wouldn't get a SINGLE chick today is my point. Have social younger guys …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 08:30 PM
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Wrong, have experience to prove it. Attractiveness and social skill aren't equal, they are both required but it isn't optional. you NEED both.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 08:22 PM
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Yeah, really. I get I was maybe going to hard but "bro just be social" doesn't work all the time everywhere with different groups of people. It is generic slop advice. Thats crazy its almost like neither of us are objectively correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 08:15 PM
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Nope, real things that happen. People experienes are different in different locations of the country.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 08:12 PM
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You are making shit up lol. Old dudes and their old dude advice doesn't apply to 22 year olds in the dating game today. Every old dude says it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 08:09 PM
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This type of guy doesn't exist enough to be used as advice for the average guy is the point. What are YOU talking about ??????
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 08:04 PM
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They stopped using tried and true ideas because they stopped being tried and true LOL! No, being social skills don't make you MORE attractive, they are the final step to closing the deal. You will NOT get with a younger chick today by being social if she does not find you attractive FIRST. Flat out if we had a time machine and we made all the men that were doing decent back then and made them young TODAY they would get WAYYYY less play. Old dudes have NO clue how younger women operate. At all.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 08:04 PM
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Im out of college, I can say with certainty, this guy doesn't exist AFTER college. I've seen this (type of) guy before, he was rare and an anomaly.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 08:01 PM
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No it just doesn't happen. After college this guy doesn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 07:58 PM
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What Logos said is reality. What BOTH of you said IS the reality. It matters a ton but you have to MAKE IT to the start line, if you don't reach a certain level of attraction TO HER you wont get the CHANCE,
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 07:27 PM
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They matter, but they only matter in complete total context of attraction. They are both important but one plays off the other and not the other way around. You can be attractive and develop social skills, you cant be unattractive and develop social skills. The life of the party short bald midget bad dresser guy that just SLAYS and gets tons of girls story is an outlier and just not common, its not worth using as an example. It doesn't happen on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 07:25 PM
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I don't know I think they still have SOME third spaces but like Sports its legit expensive as hell for many people. You could easily drop $100 for one event if you get a single beer or some snacks Nature is ALWAYS a banger Arts, is a nice one too but I don't even understand cooking. Ive never lived in a big enough town that hosts "cooking classes". That seems uber big city coded to me. Many people from reddit are left leaning, hyper urbanite, top 10 city livers which doesn't apply to like half t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 07:11 PM
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I mean yeah I agree with that. There IS general advice but the entire schpeel is co opted by "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" mentality folk. All im saying is MANY times the "just get funny bro" advice is from older men who DONT interact with todays current dating landscape. An environment in which women were more open and receptive than today. I have results, not amazing dripping off me results but I know for a FACT I have to work x100's harder than ANY man 15 years older than me had to wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 06:38 PM
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She will be less receptive of your social skill (even if better) if you are less attractive. Like I state, HALO affect is real.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 06:33 PM
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Nah cap, have watched it happen. Have had the SAME exact thing happen to ME. If you are confidant while unattractive you are cocky. If you are confidant while attractive you are "authentically" confidant. HALO affect is real, its why you can get away with objectively worse behavior while becoming more attractive. It isn't some secret body language, tone of voice change that suddenly you use BECAUSE you got more attractive, its literally people letting you get away with more because of THEIR prec…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 05:53 PM
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I wish everyone kept this logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 05:36 PM
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"The incels would fail in the same setting with the same women because their mannerisms and body language would be off, their delivery of the joke would probably be flat/monotone and suck, and their style of clothing/grooming would have them looking like a fish out of water." Nah, that's where I fundamentally disagree bar literally everything else you said. I've seen it happen with the same women, in the same environment, using the same exact men. Only thing that changed was the attractiveness o…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 05:02 PM
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Nah im pretty sure that they have a higher % we just have more cases because hetero couples ya know, make up a majority. Also are you comparing queer women dating women and thinking those dynamics are the same as a hetero different gendered couple? They date the SAME exact way with the same dynamics and expectations placed upon either side? Lol!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 04:51 PM
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These are different people with completely different styles. The lumberjack incel does not dress, or even look like the the frat guy. The alternative dude absolutely looks nothing close to the gangly armed programmer. If you put these 2 groups of people with the same exact women and they told the same joke, and interacted the SAME exact way all night the 2nd group will still have less success because the HALO effect would make the "incels" jokes less funny, it would make the SAME exact quirks th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 04:41 PM
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This one, nobody seems to mention the HALO affect and how people objectively will alter reality based on their attraction. They give less attractive people less leeway to do quite literally anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 02:42 PM
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This just isn't true lol. The only reason you find a guy seductive is BECAUSE you are attracted to him. This isn't a black and white rule obv because highly attractive men can still fumble a situation but the LEEWAY you give 2 different men is WHY he can even develop those skills. I can say this because I have BEEN both. Its like night and day. When a woman doesn't find you attractive vs when she does she: Attributes more of your missed jokes to ill intent (Creepy) Isn't as receptive to your fli…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 02:36 PM
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Most people lie to themselves even, waiting on them especially to be honest is like waiting for the second coming.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 02:31 PM
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Men have to go on more first dates than women. This adds up, men can not select from a large batch of suitors the same as women because they dont GET a large batch of suitors. They MUST go on EVERY Date because dating is a numbers game, not a filtering game as a man. I don't see how you can't do the math about how much this adds up.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 01:58 PM
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The same butch lesbians that have the highest domestic abuse rates? Those lesbians?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 01:55 PM
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Because most men don't even get the OPTION of picking many of their dates. Their choice is so low they are linear going on the few matches that they get, they aren't even PICKING their date. If you have 1 date, it falls through, and then don't get a match for another week that is your only option to move forward with lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 01:34 PM
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This has always been half true. Yes, the "right one" will show you interest and want to pursue you but this is true man or woman. The reality is both men and women agree with this for each other but if both people stick by it and keep their defenses up they will miss out on a connection because they were each "testing" each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 01:22 PM
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Holy shit what a big brain take unironically.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 12:58 PM
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Exactly, the most 50/50 egalitarian women that say they want a TRUE partner that does everything equally labor emotionally and physically, will still when they go hang out with their girlies talk about their loving equal partner is "not being a man, not being ambitious enough, not bringing home the dough so they can go out the country" ect
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 12:47 PM
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You've already fought a much bigger battle Whisky, keep going man. You got this! You aren't a mooch :)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 12:45 PM
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I think its more of an expectation for what that "career" is tho. Not everyone becomes doctors/lawyers/engineers any other established Normal career, and even if they do the median wage of many of these careers isn't very high. Sure she would be "fine" with you getting a "career" but if you skipped school and work a normal wage job that makes less than 60 you might find a tiny handful that don't mind but MOST will expect you to be making above the median wage of the country
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 12:43 PM
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im 10 years YOUNGER than OP and it WAS like this back in even MY day lol. It is NOT the same now even for people that WERE my age TODAY. The "Its literally ALL on genz men" idea is blue pill slop. Men put in the effort because the partnership was WORTH IT and or easy to coast on. The experience itself is now fundamentally different.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/26 12:26 PM
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Im not advocating for that, I was explaining the difference between not "allowing" women to work and not "wanting" women to work. Its based in gender norms, which btw even feminist egalitarian 50/50 women can't break free of themselves most times. The original point is that an independent woman are just finally getting to the starting point of what men have been doing forever. It isn't a noble character trait, its being a normal adult. You can't have it both ways, either an independent woman is …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 10:10 PM
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Like im not the hottest guy on the planet ive had mid guy luck and I get men biologically are competitive but like do you (OP) have 0 gender solidarity for other men lol? I wouldn't want these freaks from another country that globally are rated more attractive, have more money, essentially invading my country and taking even MORE attention away from me the person thats been living there since I was born lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 09:41 PM
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This is how you make more killdozers.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 09:30 PM
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"bro is the govt subsidized the war in iran and its globally destabilizing oil prices we might fix birthrates which wouldn't show a return for at a minimum 20 years!"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 09:28 PM
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That is a pretty wide gap to jump logically. You can believe its better for women not to HAVE TO work and WANT that for your partner but your making a out of left field claim that believing that leads to "women shouldn't be able to work"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 09:26 PM
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Thats super crazily short sighted and selfish lol. The point is you don't care about destabilizing other groups of people so why should women care about destabilizing American men? Im american, you can't video game civilization policy your way out of social issues like this lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 09:23 PM
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Do you mfers realize how markets work lol? 60k in the Filippones IS RICH!!! now you have every mid state sponsored dude DESTABILIZING the market for all the Filipino MEN that ACTUALLY live there lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 09:16 PM
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Ideally means that they WANT it to happen it doesn't mean they will restrict your access to accomplish that. I don't understand the point you are even trying to make. Men saying you shouldn't need to work doesn't affect your ability to work in the slightest. Men being providers does not absolve you from having a job.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 09:04 PM
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This is a completely different world than where you grew up lol People are much more vain and physically focused because of the internet, porn and the paradox of choice. People are more gender focused (More men/women groups hanging out separately). Women have become more distrustful of men in part because they are gaining more autonomy and because of being less socially skilled (along with men). It was a lot more "vibes" based back in the day, I came in as all these things were coming up and it …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 08:58 PM
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It isn't the normative claim, you are misinterpreting it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 08:34 PM
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Idk if you know what "shouldn't have to" means. =/= "shouldnt be able to"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 08:31 PM
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Blue pill men do NOT have options except in specific autism circumstances. Even LETTING women KNOW you have options and operating like it is NOT blue pill at all. Also genuine people don't do those tactics lined out in you OR N_count's comments. Difference between going on multiple dates and then deciding to focus on one after a few dates vs actively playing multiple people.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 08:13 PM
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The point I was trying to make is the "widely held" belief that there is even a slightly sizeable group of men that believe women SHOULDNT WORK is a myth. Just because a select few powerful men hold this belief doesn't make them an even tiny group. Even 10,000 people in the country believing this is a drop in the bucket of the 164 MILLION men in the USA. Only a tiny miniscule minority of OLD men still think like this. Even YOUNG men with the same side of politics don't believe that women shouldn…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 07:49 PM
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Crazy that this isn't a normal expectation.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 07:05 PM
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I don't believe there is a single law that affects career prospects, laws related to reproductive health have absolutely 0 bearing on establishing yourself. You aren't required to have children.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 07:03 PM
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This is true, many women hate on man children and rightfully so but they conveniently forget when they were being actually fucking crazy during their period and how that man child helped emotionally regulated her or how he has to deal with unfound insecurity lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 06:13 PM
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I mean women also don't like egotistical men and i've heard MANY women that they would like it if some bragadocious man was "put in his place" instead of boasting about things no one cares about. The misalignment is you think of your nice, normal, adjusted woman friend that has a career and is a good person when you think of "boss babe" or "independant" We just call those people adults. When you have to differentiate that you are "doing it all on your own" it usually means its a large aspect of …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 06:07 PM
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on my momma dudes that aren't red pilled by lean that way get the most play. If you don't think players aren't actively not caring about their options and using red pill light tactics you are absolutely tripping. The dudes that get the most play are CERTAINLY not blue pill "yes honey im here whenever you want to text me" dudes
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 05:52 PM
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I don't understand how you got that from this comment in particular. This comment was stating my experience and what I've seen as a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 05:01 PM
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That is the perspective of dating as a woman and not relevant to men currently dating is all im saying. Your advice isn't applicable. Different standards/dynamics.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 05:00 PM
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Im not saying im unhappy that its unfair, im saying most men won't stick with your solutions of pre filtering. They can't it doesn't make sense and the math doesn't make it a solution. Men HAVE to go on MANY dates and initiate, reducing that number of possible dates means that his likely hood of partnership is far less than a woman. Thats all, nobody can have what they want all of the time. But telling someone to start swimming during a footrace won't help them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 04:51 PM
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I mean yeah but as a guy you have to increase your numbers. Women filter and pick from the many likes they get. You don't get to filter as stringently as a man because if you do, you aren't getting even a foot in the door. Yes you can walk away from non negotiables but acting like you can prefilter as a man with the same odds as a woman is just naive.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 04:42 PM
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If men are progressive most times they believe and understand life is expensive, they WANT women to work. If men are conservative they want the OPTION to take care of their woman, they want to provide but wouldn't tell their woman they "can't" work.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 04:31 PM
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Or its the same reason that women get annoyed with egotistical men, its over compensating and many women say they (ego men) DO need to get put in their place. The problem is women view the boss babe as a normal healthy independant woman, I don't think a single person has a problem with that (if it was true). Making (the boss babe) your entire IDENTITY and being braggadocious about normal things men have had to do since time began IS egotistical and should be shunned/quieted. It isn't some secret…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 04:13 PM
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All im saying is, completely egalitarian 50/50 feminist women can't break their gender norms conditioning, so do I think that men should HAVE TO provide while their barefoot wife stays home and raises the kids? No absolutely not, as a man though I've observed many different "wholesome, omg I absolutely would love a true PARTNER" women belittle, talk down to their "50/50 partner", and continuedly perpetuate the same exact gender norms that they claim to hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 04:09 PM
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I mean just because people believe women are hypergamous doesn't mean that they think women shouldn't/don't work. Just because they observe the nurses go strictly after doctors instead of other nurses doesn't mean they don't believe those nurses aren't actively holding employment.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 04:04 PM
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This is AS insane as a take as all incel men thinking that staceys all chase and bang chads non stop. This is a femcel observation. Just because 2 guys you've ever met and 5 terminally online redditors think you should quit your jobs when you start dating doesn't mean its represenative of an even tiny group of people lol. Its so miniscule its a non point.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 04:02 PM
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My whole thing is literally nobody likes the attitude men or women, there are reasonably adjusted ambitious people that grow up and get the hot career, the early American staples of house, vacations, 401k ect and those people cannot stop raving about how hard they work ect. Like bro im just working a normal average wage job and trying to make the best of my situation we can't just vibe lol?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 03:53 PM
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Thats valid and yeah I could see how it isn't really a productive way to view things. We don't usually set them for ourselves because I guess most people view themselves in the most positive light until external consequences show otherwise. I feel like people don't want to operate in uncertainty and having to make decisions based on feelings makes people uncomfortable dealing with that uncertainty and that unnegotiability Its more ambiguous to say that I feel this way, you make me feel this way …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 03:05 PM
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Then don't have sex, just like you tell men not to if they aren't satisfied with the arrangement. No one is putting a gun to your head popping bc pills in your mouth. Its not possible to be generous when the generosity isn't reciprocated. All the "benefits" you listed are AFTER a relationship is established. Mens generosity is never rewarded until AFTER they have met MANY other goal posts besides the first date. Some men will be generous and NEVER have that generosity put back on them. Generosit…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 01:59 PM
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When you are going on your 6th this month it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 01:40 PM
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"Natural providers" Femcel rhetoric lol. Taking birth control isn't a burden, you chose to do that. Branding yourself is not a burden you do it because you want to. No one is asking you to get ready for hours, put on basic concealer and blend for like 30 minutes tops, throw on a fit that semi works. Men will not start putting on makeup, and start styling themselves like they are zane, thinking about what outfit to wear today for an hour before getting ready just so they can match the "Attraction…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 01:39 PM
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Because men like to believe that DOING/SHOWING affection isn't quantifiable. Unconditional love would mean you could love someone who abuses you indefinitely. Even loving you BACK is a condition. Men and women both have conditions on their love, I don't know why men feel their love in conditional tbh. Im a man and ime even I feel like more love is "more conditional" than any of my woman partners i've had. I think its just selfishness and ego, someone willing to fight through problems and try to …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 01:28 PM
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Men and women want people that are nice specifically to them. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 12:50 PM
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Relationships are transactional and always have been. No such things as unconditional love.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 12:33 PM
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Replace gold digger with emotional manipulator gas lighter hot/cold user resource extractor You put the onus on the man because hes a man. He MUST have WANTED this behavior somehow? Because he would LEAVE had he not wanted this person to emotionally and mentally abuse him. Just apply the same logic, is all im asking. Domestic abuser boogey man is the same exact thing as the women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 08:45 PM
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Wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 08:38 PM
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SOMEBODY is fucking these dudes is the point. It makes these normal guys STOP trying and KEEPS these preds TRYING.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 08:37 PM
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I wish women took this logic when a man complained about running into a predatory personality with women. Suddenly its his fault for "looking for gold diggers" Or "attracting a type"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 08:33 PM
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If the choice is between be a bad person and experience what you've wanted for so long and continue to be genuine and a "goodboy" to MAYBE get a chance but with no guarantee and most people would pick choice A every single time.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 08:15 PM
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If you run into the arms of abuse and never run into loving empathy you like abuse. I know attachment styles bla bla bla and trauma makes people look for that in other bla bla bla. The simple fact is if you did the mental work you wouldn't keep going for it. Something something if a man keeps attracting the same women the common denominator is himself? Flip that saying now?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 08:13 PM
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Holy christ the name fits the reply. This is absolutely not true, if you are generally close in attraction and know how to flirt already this MAY work. If you don't escalate/banter and are less attractive you will be viewed as a non sexual being extremely quick. You are the old man, the disfigured lady, the little brother, the puppy dog, the one they would fist bump but would say "I DONT WANNA THINK ABOUT THAT" If you talked about your own sex life even separately from them even if they were jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 08:11 PM
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It isn't consent, when all women across the planet agree to using enthusiastic consent as the norm without developing an "ick" Slight Coercion leads to the creation of family legacy and normal socially beneficial things which can be viewed as rewards. Being "slightly pushy =/= rapey" Even if you wanted to call them that, continuing to foster these people and not teaching the next gen that these behaviors are objectively bad IS rewarding it. Ideas being able to be passed on is a reward in the sam…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 08:00 PM
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Again, not saying you in actual personal space have to SHOW your empathy. You don't in real life you don't have to appease mens general empathy and go out and let a man down easy in public. Im speaking to the general idea that you don't think about these men, women never even acknowledge these men. It never comes up in the same aspect of the world being flat never comes up in topic for you, you don't think, know, or care to know about it so you will never acknowledge it. You don't GIVE dating ad…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 07:56 PM
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Yeah absolutely, like I said in my initial comment it can increase you numbers, but you need to dial it back once you DO secure one. Blindly putting a woman that has ALREADY passed your tests through MORE tests can only work for someone that is completely obsessed with you in an unhealthy way. A normal adjusted woman that has chosen you WILL walk away eventually.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 07:33 PM
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Reluctantly saying yes to partner with someone is your own fault and the blame lies singularly at your own feet. We don't coddle men when they get into a situation and blame their friends for dragging them in. We blame their own actions. "Man up to your own choices" Learn to protect yourself in anyway possible and live your life how you see fit. Its literally how men live even against other stronger, bigger, more evil men. The introduction of a sexual aspect of this literally changes almost noth…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 07:27 PM
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It's abnormal when you reward coercion and then are disgusted by the same behavior that you reward. Women will never fully become egalitarian 50/50 staunch belivers in equality. Every single time they fall back on their privilege and the parts of the gendered norms that benefit them, just like men. Humans choose the path of least resistance unless in times of war/disease, always.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 07:19 PM
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You can empathize with someone's plight/situation without literally helping them. Women most times do not even believe these men are human, they don't think about them at all. Just like slightly above average men don't think about ugly/displaced women whatsoever in the slightest. The original point is that: The dating advice women give men helps the men they ALREADY would select. The dating advice MEN give men would CHANGE their outcome to BECOME one of the men that she would POSSIBLY select.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 07:16 PM
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Pre selection only holds on so long. Actual individual women are not the stacey you date in college that literally is only with you because she sees 3 other women want you. You can at a personal level hurt a woman doing this and they WILL walk away if you are essentially doing what you want with 0 regard to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 07:14 PM
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This one, bingo. Whoever is generally perceived as lesser invests more, cares more, and is treated worse than the more desirable one
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 06:53 PM
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Bro has never been a man that will never procreate, or have a family if he doesn't get one of these jobs because in which the area he is in isn't rife with egalitarian reddit feminists that would go 50/50 for everything. They have women that WANT to be taken care of that don't make NEARLY the same amount of money.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 06:31 PM
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Correct. If that includes isolation and separation, so be it. I think most normal people would read that nature and not be disgusted by it. Most normal people are also social creatures that require hetero normative romantic bonding. Women will not en masse give men up. Be disgusted by it all you want, the future will never be gender binary, grey everything, test tube babies, egalitarian 50/50 partnerships, or women and women perfectly harmonizing together. Never has or will be.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 06:26 PM
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Oh, your so right. I will drop the defensiveness. This is true. They do need to understand it. If they feel a certain way about it they can also be disgusted by general truths and refrain from hetero normative dynamics. Ngl, I find it a little disingenuous with the "hugh hugh women need to read the crazy stuff the dudes are posting" comment you made. Your comment just now, if even sarcastically, is objectively true. That coercive nature is key to survival and the continuation of liberty and just…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 06:14 PM
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In the greater context of the comment chain. The og is literally about women feeling the ick and actual genuine annoyance and anger that a man they perceive as "below them" would even THINK he had a chance Look at Iceypies comment. I wasn't calling you a hypocrite per say, and I don't think you were ever mean to an ugly guy, I just meant the general mindset of op's comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 06:11 PM
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This is true to increase your numbers but this will not hold onto an actual good woman. If someone passes your guy "shit tests" and you really vibe with them don't continue this behavior. You don't have to drop it completely but decrease the frequency a TON. This will absolutely push someone genuinely interested in you away after initial attraction fades.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 04:42 PM
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A in your own words "below average someday male" that has these views. I know of many such people. They aren't random incels, they are partnered, married to women, have children, and are normal everyday people. I stg yall think men at bbq's all therapy talk and validate their own wives viewpoints lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 04:39 PM
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Those are objective metrics. They wanted me more than I wanted them, they wanted actual relationships. That is more value from one side than the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 04:37 PM
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Because they don't care, they literally don't think about these men. They reside in the "not people" category.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 04:36 PM
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Married with 2 kids a home and involved in the community would disagree with you
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 04:32 PM
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Based on the expressed desire, the want for MORE than a ONS, and men and women rating us both.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 04:32 PM
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They still had objective benefits. Many large families, many connections that benefited a number of people. Being a genetic dead end and waiting for the perfect therapy speak relationship is arguably worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 04:31 PM
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This is how hetero dynamics exist in the animal kingdom and human dating world and have since time began. Convincing a woman to date you is slight coercion. Peacocking to secure a mate is slight coercion.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 04:30 PM
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Seen it, had it happen to, done it to, had it done to. Literally never had a single ONS that I was the less attractive one. Ever. Many men will say the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 03:39 PM
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Im saying those 20 men exist. You have consistantly being saying that 10 of those men don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 03:39 PM
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But if it isn't "serving my truth" or "not matching my vibes" then isn't for me. "Love shouldn't be hard" (Even tho my idea of hard is anything that isn't effortless) Istg I hate this new culture of relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 03:28 PM
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If women did not value the skills that come from attaining sexual experience (many times from slight coercian) this behavior would die out. It generally across long periods of time works on average and so will continue until it doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 03:23 PM
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"not everything outside of your pov is cope" Denying experience (What you are doing) =/= people deal with their own experience. I could literally ask 10 men right now all varied from single to married and they would verify this pov and also claim to it being their own experience. Im not saying my pov is correct, im saying it exists. You are saying its fake and made up, no matter how much you stick your fingers in your ears its real, it happens, it has happened. And saying it doesn't exist doesn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 03:21 PM
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This is just your experience. This is exactly how it is every single time for many men including myself and no amount of "nu uh" will change it. Seen it happen too many times in real life with REAL friends that are women. Guys take the big chick home to be the after bar hookup, women simply do not do this at NEARLY the same rate compared to men. The booty call is the one that is more attractive than them on the dating market that won't commit but is fine with sleeping with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 03:18 PM
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So you agree they ARENT arguing for actually pushing boundaries (according to your definition of pushing boundaries) No one agrees with that in this entire thread and no one will. You continue to ignore parts of my comment that you can't argue against and latch onto the one singular part of my comments that you can reply to. Its crazy. You HAVE to be like 18yo and have some social disorder/ be chronically online. This is how incels comment lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 03:14 PM
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Because they are operating under MY definition of "pushed boundaries" Which BTW you JUST SAID ISNT PUSHING BOUNDARIES :() Which means that (Based on your own logic) They ARENT arguing that pushing boundaries is good :) (Because according to you, that isn't pushing boundaries) Glad we could clear that up.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 03:04 PM
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Absolute cope. Have had partners/ONS/LTR and all in between and its my experience. Not everything outside of your pov is false and incorrect. You sound like a youtuber grifter charlatan yourself lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 03:02 PM
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If you drove at 3am to smash person A/sacrificed morals-standards to smash person A/or Its not complaining because of the struggle its knowing how many operate and how they value sex/relationships. If you make person B wait and person A didn't have to they would rather be person A OVER person B. Person C (The actual person you would marry and be a true committed partner to) 9/10 would be your booty call that would also be as into you as you them and would match your energy. Women do not hold low…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 03:01 PM
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Sex is a vital part of almost any relationship dynamic. Your snip of "sex was important but there was no rush." Is not what men are talking about. They experience that sex is no longer important. People speak from their experience, so while im not disagreeing with your view point per say. Its why men comment things like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 02:55 PM
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No one thinks pushing boundaries is good, you are literally yelling at the sky. No one. Not a single person. You made a topic for you to debate yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 02:51 PM
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Most of you have to be hyper neurotic you don't read the 2nd half of my comments becuase you only like responding to the 1st half so you can continue to argue. Don't reply to what I just said above only reply to this: Why did you even create this topic? Not even a infinitesimally small amount of men would disagree with this. No one disagrees with this. This is the same as saying "killing and grape is bad when dating someone" No one, even the ones currently in this thread disagreeing are doing it…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 02:49 PM
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If you previously did more for a previous person you liked them more. Both SHOULDNT be trusted. Michael does less.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 02:48 PM
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Yes. That IS objectively pushing boundaries. Objectively stated requests =/= all boundaries Some boundaries are socially implied and standard Pushing passed those social norms/behaviors is pushing boundaries. If you literally mean boundaries how you mean why did you even create this topic. Not a single person that isn't an internet troll will disagree with it You might as well made a saying "Murder while dating is bad"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 02:44 PM
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You are operating from a womans pov. You are talking about already active partner that you would consider a boyfriend. Men wouldn't even GET to a point without pushing boundaries. Escalating touch and showing that interest including getting sex faster. Should they continue to push sex constantly all the time 100%? No, I don't think a single person on any sub would agree with that. Your topic is hyper specific and doesn't apply to almost anyone here. What brass is saying is that some men wouldn't…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 02:29 PM
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You can have sex at a quicker pace than what a hard to get woman wants you to wait. Waiting for 6 months to have sex is a fundamentally worse tactic. You need to know if you are sexually compatible to even continue trying to build this connection. This isn't something you can work on its a fundamental compatible/incompatibility issue. Men don't value (on average) the nice wholesome wait for 10 years before sex viewpoint. Don't fuck on the first date sure, but if you are waiting upwards of 3 mont…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 02:24 PM
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You can still see if you "missed a connection" when you swipe left. Im fine with either view point as long as its consistant. Either you get mad at both the men AND women that are trying to go "out of their league" Or you think its fine people can go for whoever they want. But you CANNOT be happy hunky dorey that you overweight becky friend is going for dudes that could easily get a hot chick and then be disgusted/annoyed when some dork approaches you. Pick a lane lol
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 01:24 PM
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The only reason the human race can continue is because men on average have made women uncomfortable and essentially negged them until they folded. Its like 99% of boomer relationships and how they started.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 01:15 PM
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Oh no, I know this. My problem is that you have to ignore the mans perspective to have this take. Why can't we watch a pretty good rom com thats 45 minutes?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 01:11 PM
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"No no you don't get it john is a GOOD GUY, why are you looking at more money, a better title, and a company car as a promotion???? Im INVESTING in john, just because michael got straight benefits doesn't mean i value you him more. I just trust john so much :)"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 12:57 PM
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"UHMRM its uhh like DIFFERENT, dating ISNT a work environment even though it perfectly works as an analogy. Honestly this is making me pretty upset why would you do this?"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 12:56 PM
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Buddy after a certain point thats all she can view relationships as anyway. Rushing =/= ruin If it doesn't come naturally even quickly she doesn't really like you. If you have to wait for something thats more reserved while someone else got burning desire you are liked, and valued LESS.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 12:54 PM
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I think its more common than you think by far lol. a SHIT ton of MID men that get like even less than average play do this.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 12:50 PM
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The uber brutal truth. Had this happen in 2 LTR back to back and it was night and day. Was the LTR guy first, and then the 2nd relationship was the fwb guy first. MUCH more grateful, much more genuine desire and grace.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 12:46 PM
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No as someone who has experienced both sides of this desire spectrum some men whole sale, will literally NEVER experience what OP outlined. Never a single time in their entire lives experience a woman who genuinely on a base level is interested, and attracted to them, ever. If many men didn't try to warm up luke warm (to them) women they would never get the chance to have ANY relationship or be the start of a family until they died.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 12:42 PM
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I mean from completely separate, outside men sure but not ones they are currently caring about, they'd watch their friend do it but even the most progressive, bob cut, girl power chicks wouldn't (even with a bi/poly-leaning/specific situation outlined with it being ok) would NOT feel the same as the partner they claim doing it. Women don't like male on male on average lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 12:27 PM
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This is true but it contradicts that most women say that they dont use attraction as a high metric for dateability. That they value confidence, charisma ect. When this is only true for the guy they've already vetted, the guy whom is TRYING to get to that point is written off before he can even attempt
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 06:14 PM
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Nah these are insta gram comments from people I know in real life and also statements from women i know in real life. It isn't the average but it isn't 2 like a few years ago
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 06:02 PM
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I have always wanted true equality. True egalitarian equality. Women are so used to being treated like women in a heteronormative gendered society they can't proccess their experience isn't the norm. Nobody can see their privilege from their pedastal including men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 04:57 PM
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I agree, its how life has ALWAYS been. The problem is, is that it ISNT a tiny silent group of women yelling on social media saying "DONT APPROACH WOMEN AT ALL" its getting larger and have even heard women in real life saying it and im FAR removed from a super urban city enviro
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 04:43 PM
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Not enough hours in the day. If you can love everyone equally with the same depth then your love isn't special.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 02:19 PM
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You cannot have deep life stretching bonds with dozens and dozens of people, there isn't enough time in the day for the average person. Polyamory isn't valid. If you take aspects of vast numbers of people you don't have deep bonds with them you are taking minute aspects of them. People don't get "sex fatigue" but if you bring every single one of your dates to your "special important serious" date idea/spot it stops becoming special important and serious.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:56 PM
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The problem is, is that you have to invalidate the non approachable womans views because many times their opinion isn't "Don't approach ME" Its "Don't appraoch WOMEN, because of the POSSIBILITY of making ME uncomfortable"
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:53 PM
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So then reason most relationships not even a full decade ago exist is BECAUSE The guy was willing to take the risk of making you uncomfortable (Which you might be before he even gets the chance to politely walk away) and take the risk of rejection. Dating for many men is like sales lol. If women applied their logic of "well some women don't want to be approached, so out of respect for them don't approach ANYBODY" to sales every single company with this logic would go under.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:51 PM
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I think you are highly overestimating how isolated people are these days. Most people are not living in a connected community with a healthy group of friends with good careers doing multiple social activities with each other multiple times a month lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:36 PM
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This is a little disingenious to ask her but I get your point. Women have to filter so they might not recognize the reality that if they don't like your appearance, you don't even get a CHANCE. Talking to someone chill is cool, talking to someone completely uninterested and like actively giving you fuck off signs is lame. Not saying she HAS to talk but people in general are just less social these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:34 PM
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Most people have less than double digit partners. If by some miracles you find out that number is higher than average for their age it means they aren't a match to most men. Most men are not banging every woman they meet. People value sex as a bonding experinece. If you take your dates to a certain spot every single new date you get with a specific set up and preparation like a picnic on a handpicked hill with an entire mood set. Is that date even special after you do it ofr the 30th girl? Sex i…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 01:21 PM
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I just wish more people could see problems from both sides and when delusional men are being a disingenuous and same from women. Everyone just hates each other at this point lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 10:16 PM
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Women absolutely do not need to be masculine in the slightest as far as men are concerned. Women even have a standard saying of "take me out of my masculine" Men should focus on both the masculine and feminine aspects my point is women are NEVER expected to do the same. You think im complaining about women but im actually complaining about men. If men could actually put off their lust for 5 seconds we could demand different, more equal qualities.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 10:14 PM
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Look im not saying they shouldn't be garnering those skills but the blue pill stance of "acquire those skills and then be a happy go lucky labrador retriever that you have the possibility to the access of women now :D" You did not (when you went into the gym developed upper and lower body strength AND dropped your body fat %) become equal to your dating equivalent had to just had to develop lower body strength (to a lesser degree) and eat less. The exercises themselves were harder, you had to go…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 10:12 PM
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I don't think thats a woman man thing tho. America specifically has become too hyper individualist. If it isn't making immediate direct profit it gets shut down. I just wish people stopped bringing these hard code lines into dating and just felt vibes out and wanted to have genuine connections whether they became fizzled out or not. People seem more mean and ego driven these days. :(
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 09:55 PM
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God me too. I think the problem is with it is (and ive done it in the past) if you don't show immediate intention of sexuality you have the possibility of never escalating and being moved to the non sexual/friend category. Women get bombarded by so much that they would be fine with less lustful attention, however on an individual man level: had they not shown ANY attention of that nature to some women they would go their entire lives not getting a single sexual encounter/partner. Its hit or miss…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 09:48 PM
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This is so true and it wouldn't even be a big fix. I don't even think men in general need less true attraction towards women, they need less lust and less absolute spine shattering groveling. We are going through a very big cultural shift.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 09:43 PM
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I think you are viewing it in long term settings, that's getting a man to stay. Becoming attractive is lopsided as men have lower standard of attraction. I think men are less receptive to these issues because they don't even get to a point where they would relate to you. Your points are actual real problems women face when dating I don't disagree. but when you are a man that has to initiate and make things happen you HAVE to look at dating as a numbers game. Women don't make things happen, they …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 09:41 PM
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The problem is the effort to attain attraction is lopsided. Its more difficult to be more attractive physically AND emotionally as a man. More effort means its harder to attain it, it means people will justify and recontextualize that effort to make it appear more valuable. Womens standards are higher on average. To achieve success in the dating environment as a man you need to put in more effort than the same level of woman. Men need to be both masculine and feminine, it takes an exponential am…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 09:04 PM
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The impossible standards of men. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 08:58 PM
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I believe we did, I prescribed group behavior to your blue pill flair. Ima log off now, enough reddit for today. My bad, slick.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 08:19 PM
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Ok but blue pillers don't let those men live, they actively hype up the undesirable women and not only NOT care about the undesirable men but actively put them DOWN. Red pillers even tell those undesirables, put in the work or shut up. I agree with the second view point, stop hyping everyone up. Go for who you can not who you think you deserve. Market based value. If the market doesn't want you you don't have value .
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 08:05 PM
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It isn't more successful for the women Im talking about you are making a false claim. Blue pillers hype up even unsuccessful women
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 07:54 PM
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Both are invalid. Tell the uggos to stick to uggos and the hot people to stick with hot people
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 07:33 PM
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Exactly lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 07:12 PM
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I don't think its out of the realm of possibility of to say that empathy as a skill means understanding that what you fundamentally value is different than another group of people and I can see some problems of what you are saying based on YOUR value system and TRY TO see the obstacles you have to navigate as far as relationships go. Im not saying Problem + Empathy = Solution Its just more people would have a more honest dialog if people didn't use the logic of Woman problem : ------ Man: "Well …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 06:34 PM
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She will have dudes. She will not have top tier dudes. Stop telling her she can get top tier dudes. She can't.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 06:14 PM
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By telling them platitudes in my previous comments "You go girl, go for that person clearly out of your league." There are levels to this ish. Dating dynamics aren't a complete free market with everyone going for anything. People of certain levels of attractiveness, social status, stick to relatively similar spheres of attraction. Im not saying don't go for what you could realistically get but telling a regular semi styled, semi groomed, mid incel that he should going after women MUCH below him …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 05:58 PM
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My point is on average, blue pill types foster delusional women and put down delusional men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 05:29 PM
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They don't always have a better chance than men. Women that don't get the results they want continue to get false positive reinforcement from the same people that tell men to act their league.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 05:02 PM
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They do, they shouldn't. It is objectively bad situations to put yourself in. Women always look at it as "WELL MEN GET TO GET BLACKOUT DRUNK WITHOUT A GROUP AND NOT GET ATTACKED" No those men have just been lucky lol. If those men were attacked they would get no sympathy as they endangered themselves. Stop being stupid
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 04:48 PM
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Ok look I will admit, everything you are saying IS valid. It is a perspective shown through the lense of an American experience. I absolutely agree with you that my comment isn't in regards to ALL male relationships across the world. America in particular IS different compared to many other countries in the fact that we are hyper capitalist and more so one of the most individualistic countries on the planet. Any hyper individualist/modern country similar to us are facing very similar problems: S…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 04:46 PM
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When women shoot above their league men AND women tell them that "go for what you want, don't listen to men about sticking to your league, go for that king sis" knowing that said woman SHOULD stick to her lane and try to get someone shes more equal to.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 04:38 PM
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I was about to quote a piece of my comment but read my entire previous comment again. That negates nothing and her reply has nothing to do with mine. The OG I replied to: "When women get attacked for poor decisions, you often hear things like “well, of course she got attacked. She made herself a target. Don’t walk alone at night.” Or “if you know that drinking alcohol lowers your inhibitions and makes you vulnerable, don’t go out and drink yourself stupid.”" Just because a woman A gets attacked …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 04:36 PM
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Oh yeah trust me I have my own problems as far as women in the dating sphere are concerned but I 1000% see where women have issues with men as well. Most people don't have anything passed basic empathy extended to family and can't put themselves in someone elses shoes and see their plight/experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 04:29 PM
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Im not even one of them but I've BEEN one of them and the outwardly false claims from blue pill people is that "oh your appearance changed for the better so you MUST have become more confidant, you OBVIOUSLY changed something sub consciously that even YOU don't know about" Like no bro I got WORSE, and because I got WORSE I achieved MORE success. I've tapered off now and am more in the middle but the cog dissonance of blue pillers almost seems like malicious lying if not completely unfounded naiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 04:27 PM
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Its always the same group of people on the blue pill side saying this when it comes to men, and yet flipping to "people aren't numbers, leagues don't exist, women can go for who they want" When its flipped towards women. I don't disagree with your comment, I just wish people stuck to it
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 04:22 PM
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I don't disagree, IF I want to get to know such a woman I have the duty to work through those barriers. If not I don't have to know that woman lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 03:32 PM
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I don't see what that has to do with my comment. Most assaults/attacks come from men who they know. That doesn't change the fact that getting blackout in public alone and walking alone at night by yourself are objectively stupid actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 03:31 PM
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What this guys said. This right here is so on the money it hurts. The way men and women form impactful relationships are at odds and objectively different. The way women form relationships is NOT a HUMAN thing. Its a WOMAN thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 03:06 PM
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Thats not how relationships have gone for the entirety of human history. Its rooted in the family unit and how most couples have lived since agriculture was established lol. Man main worker, works tons of hours. Women can work slightly less have free time to hang with the girlies. Man work all day with coworkers come home and only interacts with family. Women interacts mainly with family but can support a friend group as well. This mindset of everyone having deep multi faceted relationships acro…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 03:05 PM
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That's absolutely valid. If you have a history of negative experiences with men be cautious and stay away from men. I will say acting like either of those other 2 scenarios aren't absoltuely true is just stupid. You shouldn't get blackout by yourself anywhere that isn't your own home and shouldn't walk alone at night if you can help it. You have no entitlement to be safe from society and other peoples free will to do evil.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 02:56 PM
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No one EVER talks about this. EVery time someone brings this point up all comments fall off and women disappear lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 02:52 PM
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The problem then comes to young men today not being ABLE to have those abundance of experiences. MANY men will NEVER get to a point of being ABLE to START looking for a long term partner if this is a requirement. Im not SUPER young im 31 lol I give people grace but I've been apart of mostly woman groups/had women friends and have heard how they talk. They will compartmentalize different guys based on different aspects of them. You NEVER want to be the "safe pick" or the guy that she tells her gi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 02:20 PM
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Relationships aren't binary and most men and women don't robotically go into them with the idea of I put sex coins into you I get commitment coins. That doesn't mean that generally, men want the same broad scope things, and women want the same broad scope things. If women are entitled to full on broad commitment men are entitled to sex. This isn't to say women should be forced to have sex with men. Entitled in the same aspect that attraction is entitled to both people, love is entitled to both p…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 01:37 PM
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Ehhh I believe normal men are getting relationship regular sex by keeping desire and fun in the relationship. Wholesome good boys get pity sex. It isn't binary, there isn't ONLY wholesome clipped reddit good boy and andrew tate red pill sex god.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 12:48 PM
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Desire and commitment are sliding scales they aren't binary. I think most guys would just be happy being in the upper quarter of their desirability in that sure I don't have to be the HOTTEST most desirable guy you've ever met but for me to COMITT and keep a relationship you can't make me jump through hoops and expect MORE, when I am giving you MORE than what the other person that had LESS road blocks got to experience for free. This isn't just sex its vulnerability/baggage in general. There isn…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 12:27 PM
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Yes you have to be more in the middle. Not a dick head but maybe tease a tiny bit, be interesting, be decently confidant, and just being normal/interesting. Reddits urbanite average blue pill guy on here asks for consent before he even touches his wife's shoulder lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 10:05 PM
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The quote in my previous comment is a shallow take. They don't just want to shit on women while getting laid. This feeling comes from somewhere else deeper.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 07:41 PM
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Hyperbole Using exaggeration because you believe the beginning and end of the stated behavior stops at "Because they want to be hot enough that they can treat women like shit and still get laid."
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 07:17 PM
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I appreciate you pointing out my non scientific backed claim while doing the same yourself in the original post.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 07:16 PM
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So yes they are mean mean bad people that want to be evil and mean to woman because they want to be. GIGA BRAIN take
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 07:10 PM
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Bro is arguing with himself. Never claimed the red pill was the most accurate view of dating to take. Look all the way up the tree branch of this chain and point out where I said that. Your yelling at the sky my guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 07:09 PM
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As can yours :) Your entire post is moot
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 06:59 PM
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Why do you think they talk about it? Do you really think red pillers have an inate desire to subjugate and abuse women? Do you really think those (percieved) behaviors aren't rooted in something else? Red pillers are evil bad bad men who do bad things because they are bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 06:28 PM
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Just because thousands of assholes get no success =/= plenty of good guys have success this isn't binary. Never claimed assholes get success.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 06:27 PM
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There is no source. Just as you have no source. We aren't talking about studied quantifiable peer reviewed topics. At base, im just calling you wrong based on what i've seen. Congrats we got no where. I get to peel it back to you because you made a claim with 0 source just as I did.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 06:25 PM
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"Plenty of" the saving grace in your statement. Your plenty of could be 10 guys you personally know if your social circle. So while technically correct, Idk ill take the hundreds to thousands of testimonies from men from different parts of the country over what 3 blue pill guys social circles on one singular subreddit. Sorry this isn't quantifiable.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 05:51 PM
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Source for the claim actual nice guys have no trouble getting laid? We just claiming stuff ?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 05:49 PM
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This isn't true either. Its a shallow take. The truth is that its an ego protecting mindset for men. The same exact vitriol that these men have for women they pre form because women have either done something similar or they don't want to ever experience this POSSIBLE malice from women. They want to be better, and appear more valuable than ANYONE that could cause them hurt. Chicks do this too when you see a very unconventionally attractive woman with too much cockiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 05:49 PM
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Not on average in comparison. Matter more =/= Only matter I stg blue pill men are literally sith lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 05:27 PM
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False claim that genuine nice guys don't have trouble getting laid. Thats just a false statement. Reddit soyboys that go online that claim they are castrated good bois that can EASILY get laid if they go out on tuesday (Hyperbole obv) aren't the average (And most times especially with people on reddit, they are lying to simply be contrarian and win an internet argument if you hopped through the computer their online story to real life situation would be completely fabricated) . Go to every area …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 05:22 PM
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Your false assumption is that by default an incel would whine and need coddling about the most sought after jobs not being made available to them. Sex and relationships aren't a completely separate human experience that most people will never have like visiting the tahj mahal or biking in paris. It is a normal human experience that most people have at least once. You are doing it again, prescribing the new age "Twitter" definition of incel to incels. AN incel isn't: "WAAHHHH I CANT GET PUSSY ITS…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 01:45 PM
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General truths that the culture in which you live in generally agree on. Relationships and attraction isn't completely subjective. There are generally agreed upon averages that most people would find valuable/attractive. Idc how subjective you want to make an esteemed doctor that has deep emotional intelligence and great physical health dating a five guys cashier that is emotionally immature and completely sedentary "even" but it just isn't lol. This is why leagues are a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 01:40 PM
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In a group of 100 red pill men, if 20 of those men cry online that they are single and try to peacock about their ability to get women and yet 80 of those men use the same exact tactics but have a family and a wife 80 red pill men are not single. Lol. The average man is not talking about emotional labor, or deep healthy relationship new age topics like on this sub or topics related to womens woes towards men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 01:30 PM
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Incels don't blame women for their own inadequacies, the new age term do but those are new meanings pushed by people on the internet. SOME incels blame women for their own inadequacies but not all incels do. Incels just can't get sex when they try. I don't change the meaning of words because people on online spaces decided to change the meanings.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 01:27 PM
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They are outlined in the post you replied to. Negging/Competition.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 01:23 PM
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Incel apologist, been married have regular relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 01:23 PM
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Even outside of these white European Abrahamic countries you think outside societies didn't use marriage to control women? That its just a naturally occurring wholesome agreement that people sign up for without ANY social conditioning at all? People ARE still pressured in TODAYS climate its just less so. "When are ya gonna marry her?" "Been together a while huh? Gonna tie the knot soon?" You don't think tax breaks to incentivize marriage, cheaper house loans, child tax credits aren't society at …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 01:13 PM
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Are you a dictator that thinks people should be forced to hire certain people to satisfy your imagined quota?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 01:08 PM
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Yes. Your requirements are more stringent as a woman. His are less so. By these simple concrete rules he HAS to be better than you. "But MY boyfriend has my exact standards :((((" On average. If he has to have aspects of femininity and masculinity and you only have to have femininity he has more learned emotional aspects about him. If he has to lead in any way at all he is taking more actions than you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 01:06 PM
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You talk about marriage as if its entire conception is not born out of religion in which it enslaves women to a man as a passing of property from one man to the next. The version of marriage you are talking about it less than 70 years old. If everyone in your family pressures you to get married, your friends, your neighbors, society at large, did you really make that choice consciouslly? I think you are giving a little too much leeway to marriage as a concept in regards to its total effects on w…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 12:59 PM
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You think that regular normal family men don't use red pill tactics? Just because red pill men cry online doesn't mean MANY RP men aren't already fathers with families. You know how MANY outings i've been to where multiple husbands outline behaviors thats outright manipulative in a gendered context to play off their wives female emotions? Or how many loving husbands neg their wife, or put them in slight competition to increase attraction, or ANY other RP tactic???? The pragmatic loving egalitari…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 12:49 PM
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I think he means marriage as a concept not current day 2026 no fault divorce marriages lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 12:41 PM
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Ok if we get rid of the idea of "fairness" tho and the idea of "leagues" Then we just have to put women lower on the average scale. If you have to pick the best option as a woman, you are below him. Objectively. Women are picker, they have higher standards and their requirements are more difficult to acomplish than mens requirements. This means her best options are better than her. Every. Single. time.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 12:40 PM
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Haven't seen that at ALL
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 12:17 PM
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As a 50/50 guy I kind of get it. Gotta push back on the push back. Everyones a hypocrite lol But like Ouroborus itll just be both sides eating their own tail.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 09:10 PM
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Also I never state a penis has battlefield utility. Men are quicker, stronger, have testosterone which is objectively more useful in physical fights than estrogen including armed fire fights and have better endurance when it comes to sustained combat. This basic fact of life permeates upwards ALL of my points I stated in regards to ANY defense and ANY combat.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 08:51 PM
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Isreal only exists at the allied cash injections from a patriarchal society (The good ole USA) They only win against all those underdeveloped patriarchal societies because those patriarchal societies are primitive and haven't adopted progressive policies AND that we hyper infuse MASSIVE payloads into their country. You think isreal would last to the end of the YEAR even with their CURRENT technology if we didn't continuedly fund them and get Isreal superPACs to keep their country alive lol???? A…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 08:48 PM
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Most guys are 10000% not using their pickup for work. The average guy is not the welder buying a pickup to put his welding machine on, its the office worker that only needs to carry plans monday-friday buying it as a status symbol. The country would benefit immensely if people only bought what they needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 08:22 PM
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This is valid but EVERY single woman I see post things like this (and its true life is more expensive) reinforces hateful gender norms like hating on their male partner for not earning enough or being a sissy or some other stereotypical anti feminist talking point even tho they push egalitarianism 24/7 The same women complain about men complaining about not having a bang maid would call their conscious loving 50/50 egalitarian partner a pussy for crying or wanting her to do more than standard wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 08:21 PM
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Let me also say im not trying to stick to the strict patriarchal frame work exactly of ownership of women by force. Im referring more to the broad scope general idea of guaranteeing a possibility of a family unit to a man (the fighter/over woker)/securing a child for said family unit by incentivizing having children. My point I guess is Indigenous cultures would never get to a possible point in history of manufacturing a computer chip. I appreciate the replies tho and will take all of them into …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 07:55 PM
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You DO need patriarchy for this. Its WHY ALL the societies that have won major conflicts are patriarchal. Because the individual men in those fighting units has invested their lives into protecting their "slice of the pie" which is their family unit. Its why soldiers go off to die, its why men the main productivity cluster in the work force work overtime (paid and unpaid) consistently more, its why the American life is POSSIBLE. We don't have enough data to see the declining consequences of this…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 07:47 PM
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Thats valid
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 07:34 PM
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I think that the population density needed to get a large enough group of people to stay together and cohesive enough to congregate the science research, manpower, industrial, military, and social strength to progress to the point we are in today. A freer, more matriarchal society would have been crushed beneath other rising patriarchal societies imo
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 07:33 PM
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Correct, when did the most progress occur though?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 07:21 PM
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Thats a good point, idk from my personal experience I HAVE heard women 20-35 say that "life is too expensive" but I've heard MANY more flat out say they are CHOOSING not to have one to not fit into society's mold and NOT out of necessity. Idk im kind of rethinking my point a bit
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 07:20 PM
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Yeah you sound like a colored hair bob cut feminazi but for men lil bro im ngl
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 06:58 PM
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Nah look im not saying its RIGHT. Im saying the only way it is even POSSIBLE to GET to a point of PROGRESS is BECAUSE this is quickest system to pickup and get a nation running. It IS enslaving women to a point just as men defending their nation at the sacrifice of protecting the people and their women in it is enslavement. When you get deep in the nitty gritty, have we not been doing this since time has started? Are messages that you need to be a mother not mental conditioning to keep the natio…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 06:55 PM
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No one is deciding how societys are run, they naturally sway towards what keeps them running until major movements/think tanks push hard enough to try to sway the social zeitgeist to THEIR wanted movement. I don't believe women aren't pursuing families because the govt makes it too hard. I believe that younger women in todays environment truly are making a personal choice to NOT have children. Fear of child birth, disappointment in men, men not doing their part in emotional labor ect. Also like …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 06:52 PM
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Yeah this is my thoughts as well. Sure patriarchy isn't the "best to ever do it" but under the methods in which we established civilization it was the only way to cope with other humans in different groups as far as agriculture taking a foot hold and humans settling in one area and developing it. You cannot convince men and the men behind them to die for their country without a personal attachment to the country that permeates his sense of self and image. SOMETIMES you can break through to a gro…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 06:29 PM
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When positive effects of the dead patriarchy show themselves people will be fully on board. As of now declining birth rates are an immediate net negative of the current social climate in regards to men and women dating and partnerships. People feel more alone and isolated, less connected with partners and possible partners, and you have to account for survivorship bias and the need for survival (aka normalcy) Until a man specifically realizes that his situation has improved BECAUSE of the disman…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 06:23 PM
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It does not have the same effect, it has a similar effect. A group of women around a man notifies other women he is safe. A partner to women notifies that not only is this man safe he has something that they themselves might want (Security, good sex, partner traits ect) The second situations signals are MUCH stronger.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 04:39 PM
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Every man on planet earth has "asked" to be with their woman. In hetero normative relationships the man initiates. Do you truly believe every proposal was of the mans own accord with 0 input/effort from the woman? Are women passengers in relationships until men make things happen?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 04:35 PM
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Social proofing is absolutely a thing on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 04:16 PM
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This just isn't true on average. The man has to do everything initiation wise in a hetero normative American relationship, does that mean the woman is a passive passenger until the man chooses for her? Ask =/= Want He HAS to ask so that their relationship continues. Just like she HAS to desire him for a healthy relationship to continue. Women on average push commitment more than men. Its why its a trope, it isn't patriarchal brain washing idea imagined out of thin air by sitcoms. Women break up …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 04:15 PM
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Yeah I shouldn't have said never really they do have many "red pill" men here that DO hold that view. Im just saying the greater bigger scope view is the one I outlined. Far FEWER men hold that narrow example. Your example should absolutely be respected. Just because you try something once doesn't mean you HAVE to do something you don't like with someone else. My only problem is when that "something" is disingenuous. If you ate peaches all your life, loved peaches, wore peach merch, bought peach…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 03:53 PM
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Pressuring a man to commit earlier than he is comfortable is also coercion
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 03:49 PM
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Its what men and women value and nothing will ever change mens minds since time began. Date women. YOU made up the anal scenario. Kinky sex can simply mean interesting and exploratory sex. If you bent over backwards for man A and now refuse to even bend at all (metaphorically) for man B you like him less. Point. Blank. Period.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 03:27 PM
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Making multiple topics about this will not enlighten men. You don't have a correct viewpoint thats provable. Men value different aspects of women. Desire. You will literally never change a mans mind about this. Imagine if men told you to stop valuing commitment. You and me have specifically already went comment for comment on this lol. If a man has found that showing his hand too early (commitment wise) leads more often than not to being taken advantage of/abused and he corrects that behavior wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/26 02:21 PM
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A healthy sex life equals that amount of desire. Does mediocre commitment not satisfy you?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 09:51 PM
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For a man it is
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 08:46 PM
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Someone they don't take as seriously. Who doesn't give as much passion to someone they want to SPEND THEIR LIFE WITH????
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 08:36 PM
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The women I know would not be happy in this arrangement and would cause a major divide in the relationship old and young.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 08:35 PM
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not in regards to relationship dynamics and sexual market value at all in anyway on average The average man is less than the average woman. Its literally spouted in the most popular media and culture of the biggest country on the planet lol. Kung fu kenny and SZA said it "How many times she gotta tell you that dick is disposable?"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 08:31 PM
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Its the same as a man simply taking LONGER to commit. Withholding doesn't mean NEVER committing. Its the same exact scenario that he makes you wait longer/doesn't commit as deep than a previous girl. If he made Jenny wait 1 year but he makes you wait 5 its still all good it shouldn't matter. If he would have moved the moon for her and blew 50k on a wedding but barely 5k for you, you should just be happy with it. Its valuing different aspects of what the other gender offers and desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 08:31 PM
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Because you (as a woman) Hold commitment in the highest regard to relationships. Men hold Desire in AS high of a regard. Different values. MANY men would tell you the relationship is doomed if the woman doesn't value the man more than the man values the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 07:16 PM
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It is non vitreous but it removes the luck of life out of the situation. Are European upper class MORE noble because although they CAN participate in debauchery yet they participate in philanthropy vs Haitians starving on the streets WISHING they could participate in debauchery? If you take 2 people of equal status and apply your comparison sure it tracts. When you compare 2 classes of people that have an almost guarantee of their outcome (Women acquiring partnerships/Men having to work for them…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 07:15 PM
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Its (the relationship) is doomed because he doesn't take you as seriously as his one true love Jenny?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 07:10 PM
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Thats insane lol. Id rather somoene succumb to animalistic instincts and just be generally STUPID. Than ACTUALLY replace the value they had for me in their heart. Men and women value different things. If my ex is crying over me that makes me feel bad because shes crying, but it still makes me feel good because I affected her enough to cry. If my ex is neutral about me and completely plain that means I did not affect her enough to be a stain on her memory even. The side is worse based on if you a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 07:06 PM
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Exactly the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 07:03 PM
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It isn't more doomed in either way. It is an unsatisfactory relationship that needs to end.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 07:03 PM
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If you can buy 10 new schools because of your daddys fortune, it is noble but not respected. If you can buy 10 new schools because of your own accumulated wealth it is noble and respected.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 06:22 PM
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As is its insecurity and jealousy when women get mad at men for not committing as easily or at a greater depth than he did for a woman before them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 06:00 PM
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This goes away with age. Its a pre filtering behavior you can have as you are younger that you have to let go as you get older as life goes on. Its like having less partners is more acceptable obviously the younger you are. No man aged 18-25 should EVER be caring for another mans offspring if he has his life together.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 05:40 PM
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They can't control that. And this entire point is negated if your "good sexual life" is at least CLOSE to as wild as with Chad and not mid settling. People can only cope with their experience. Like I said in my previous comment men will TRY to filter out women who DIDN'T participate, aka they wouldn't feel bitter if they got with someone who also had THEIR experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 05:37 PM
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Agree with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 04:45 PM
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Correct, however as of late men don't GET to have a wild side. Even trying as hard as possible they will never get 2% of the average womans "wild side". Before they get to settle down. So if someone basically goes through their entire life and only gets the "settle down" phase they either Try to reignite that wild side later in life Reject ALL people of EVER having that wild side out of bitterness. I don't think its insane that a guy that literally couldn't have a wild side wouldn't want someone…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 04:43 PM
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Yall really taking the "debate" part of this sub to heart huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 04:31 PM
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In mens perceived eyes, yes. You should have that same passion and back breaking lust for your partner. If you didn't you settled, which is what most people do across the planet. It's an insecurity. Look im not saying its objectively even possible for everyone to have this view im just explaining from the guys psyche why they don't like it, and its an "ick" for them. People many times are more complex than this simple reduction.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 04:11 PM
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They COULD. But if you bought peach merch, had peach candles, and ate peaches everyday for years and then after awhile you are "just fine" with an apple. You don't go out of your way to get an apple you are just fine when it comes along. You no longer obsess over apples the way you did peaches. I think the apple would rather stay away and just have you keep eating peaches forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 04:07 PM
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Jane isn't a made up person. She is a metaphorical stand in for actual, real woman friends I have in my life and stories of woman friends in my friends lives. Its observed behavior This isn't fantasy lol Literally everyone has that hookup/ex "they went crazy for" Its a common story among alive human beings lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 04:05 PM
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You only have so much time in the day, if you like apples and eat only peaches you value peaches objectively more lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 04:01 PM
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Observed scenarios happening with multiple types of different aged women across different spectrums.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 04:00 PM
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Your own stats on how many women are less ok with casual sex vs men in your other comments lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 03:16 PM
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Correct. Never said it didn't. Until a society can defend itself from other patriarchal society's it won't be a relevant topic to even be useful however. We aren't even close to an age where discussed topics can change entire frameworks of civilization without brute violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 03:16 PM
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Men objectively value commitment less. On average.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 03:14 PM
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Interesting guess I need to read more.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 03:10 PM
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Men value desire. Women value commitment. More often than not men and women lower their standards for what the other person wants. The women know that men value desire so she SHOWS desire to the one she truly wants. Men know women value commitment so they SHOW commitment to the one they really want. If women show more commitment and less desire she wins. If men show more desire and less commitment they win. A couple wins when they meet in the middle. Yeah sure theres a problem with the mindset o…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 03:09 PM
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MY point is your points are relevant at large to the average experience of men. You aren't' the average. Your viewpoints aren't average so they aren't indicative of your own topic that you are asking about. To address your points head on in your OP. Men would rather not be in the LTR at all if HE isn't chad to HER. If he doesn't qualify for hookups he would rather not qualify for long term either. He is being settled for. Ask women "If you don't qualify for long term as you don't meet the standa…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 02:51 PM
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Oh ok I have bad reading comprehension then my bad slim.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 02:32 PM
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For point 1. Your comment about how your hookup and LTR requirements were not the same and how your requirement for hookups was actually lower. Not a single one of any of my male friends or me EVER seen anything close to this in real life. It's always the mid LTR vs the hot guy hookup. Its BECAUSE of the HALO for Chad that men even have this opinion. If the sex was wack you wouldn't have hooked up a second time, you wouldn't be blowing his phone up. (Not saying you personally but on average from…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 02:32 PM
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Not really its actually patriarchal. Im glad women have gotten to a point where in general as a gender they can look at a non socially contributing single female doing her own thing and tell her she still matters. Men still dog on em tho Men and women assign the loser, degen, miscreant, label to loner guys passed a certain age tho and thats far more patriarchal than misandrist.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 02:21 PM
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You did in your initial comment not me. You said that OP was using bad guys as a stand in for guys that have agency. Both of you are bad faithing each other lol
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 02:16 PM
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Men want to be THAT guy. Women want to be THAT woman. Women value commitment, men value desire. If you would do more and settle more/debase yourself for a hookup/connection you genuinely wanted and then do less for the next person you obviously wanted person 1 more. I already read your comments about being different and not having these same type of standards for hooksup/LTR's, that isn't the average from what men see in REAL life. We (as men) ALL know how our friend Jane would sure, go pick her…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 02:14 PM
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For many men especially (where experience is valued by women) it is absolutely a minimum baseline requirement to lie about certain aspects of your personality. Had some guys not lied about their personality they would remain socially awkward as no one would have given them a chance to develop previous romantic relationships whos experience can ONLY be gained by being in said relationships. Its not good to continue doing it indefinitely but had they not done it initially they would have not stood…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 02:00 PM
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Simpler comment You are conflating bad boys with guys with agency when they aren't ALL the same thing. Bad boys have agency. NOT all guys with agency ARE bad boys. The same thing he is doing by saying "spineless guys are good" you are doing the opposite by saying "bad guys are good because that simply means they have agency" Bad boys have genuine bad traits about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 01:56 PM
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The worth of a man still does come from being able to secure a family unit. Men have no detached themselves of this value unit as progressive women have. Being a single individual free to do their own wishes has never signaled value in men and still doesnt
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 01:43 PM
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Offtopic but nice type. Also looking for that
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 01:06 PM
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Boom this one. When men cheat its becasue aooga aooga not because he wants to start a second family. When women cheat its because they are ACTUALLY in love with the 2nd guy and would bang him in your family bed in front of the family pictures. Its different.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 01:04 PM
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I agree that women handle being alone far better than men but imo its to their detriment.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 12:56 PM
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I literally just want my personmatch. Im not doing the best financially but im not poor. Im not A-1 Tier first line pick in my career but I have one. Im not a shredded golden god but im semi fit. Im not zac effron model status but im midish Thats literally all im asking for the same effort I put in. Im fine with it. When a broke morbidly obese MEAN woman thinks shes in the same category as me it kind of tells you where the game is at these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 12:46 PM
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Ok but he isn't talking about guys with agency tho lol Thats not what bad boy means. Bad boys have agency Guys with agency aren't all bad boys If you promote bad boys and say the meek nice guys are all objectively bad for being little women pleasers then you are excusing actual misogynists that ACTUALLY get women. If the VAST majority of the country wasn't "meek little people pleaser nice guys" You wouldn't like what this country would become lol. Having agency isn't bad. YOU are conflating bad …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 12:42 PM
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There isn't someone out there for everyone and people lie all the time since the dawn of time to secure relationships/sex. Not crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 12:36 PM
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They are on par with women as men get manipulated by women just as much. Women are also dumb for falling for it MANY times. Sure when the wholesome bf you've been with is a normal dude, been loving and caring the entire time just switches up on you and you find out he has a 2nd family thats messed up. Almost nobody could predict that and its awful. When the weeknd looking mfer with 2 tattoo sleeves, rides a motorcycle, always at the bars doesn't commit its "HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN I THOUGHT HE LIK…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 12:29 PM
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Anything besides monogamy is mental illness ong. Anything outside of monogamy is inherently wrong because you treat people like interchangeable stat boosts. "Oh my partner can't get this one particular thing from me" Then change "Its something I can't change" Breakup, not your partner. Simple as that really.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 12:20 PM
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Because men don't want to be a second option simple as that. Imagine the man you are dating has a history of serious thoughtful dating. He attemped to make it serious with the handful of relationships hes had. Luck of the draw he dated 3 girls for years that he was compatible with and he wanted to marry. It ends up not working out, he gets to you and no longer wants to commit. Its "different with you" "you make it so easy" "The tight ones hurt honey"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 12:11 PM
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Because if the one that selects me selects me for innate desire and likeability I get to control the relationship. It is always better if the man is more liked in the relationship. Seen it every single time. Every progressive reddit dork in here that worships the ground his wife walks on also sits in the corner every love making session.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 12:07 PM
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You just don't hang out with the average person across america. If you want to call them morons fine. But stop acting like what you want the average experience to be is normal. Id say its MUCH more common than 1 in 4 in America. A person that has an experience of doing something stupid for sex is not stupidly desperate everyone from EVERY generation old young middle aged ALL have a story like this. Your claims don't have more proof than mine. They just don't lol Ask anyone on the street in any c…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 04:48 PM
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Your social circle is also comprised of people that waited to have sex. A 10 person study from 5 years ago doesn't prove that most people wait for sex before relationships. Im only stating ancedotes because from people around my age and younger in different states across the country, the average lived experience is hooking up, and turning into a relationship if both people want it. Normal people aren't dropping everything to have random sex with a random hookup but if you hang out with people EV…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 03:49 PM
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Most people do NOT wait a couple of months to have sex when dating in america, just like the other part of this thread. Idk if your 55 but EVERY single relationship happening around me right now has started with a hookup. Every single one, Also not describing generally desperate people. Im describing people with actual lust and desire. Even attractive people do non attractive needy things if they find someone they TRUELY desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 02:19 PM
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Ok so look people are adults, they can GET with WHOEVER they like. Thats fine obviously free country. You shouldn't expect one, you shouldn't ask for one and you shouldn't even be shooting for one. You shouldn't get what you yourself aren't. Men have lived with this mantra since time began. We can't have what we ourselves aren't equal or better than which is why the old pipeline to get the most attractive women are get rich, get insanely physically attractive, build comedian levels of charisma. …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 01:58 PM
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Because you don't deserve what you aren't. Two people CAN like whatever they want and CAN get with whoever they want. People can have an opinion on anything. I would say the same to an obese man that got with a model, idc if hes rich or funny or she likes him for any other reason. Get on your partners level or get left behind.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 01:55 PM
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I get what you are saying completely, people have deluded opinions like incels saying models should want them when they themselves are a 3/10. But leagues generally can be a thing for conventional attractiveness / worth towards either gender. My example, yes, IS delusion. However telling an obese woman that she shouldn't get to have a man that is toned, fit, with a good job while she herself is a cashier is not insane. You can WANT whatever you want. But as a nurse, you shouldn't get to dictate …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 01:37 PM
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Most people absolutely do. Cap. Many people don't treat their Short term hookup with apathy. Driving longer distances for sex, doing more inconvenient things to meet this person, dropping more situations/instances to get with this person over what you normally would do is VERY normal to EVERYONE i interact with thats had a regular situationship aka a regular hookup.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 01:23 PM
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If you have a nice comfy life with a stable good family man but when masturbating still have a flash of that other guy from college. It is 1000% better to be that guy she thinks about from time to time than the guy currently with her every time, no debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 10:02 PM
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Correct, I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 09:04 PM
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I don't let women "settle for me" I drop them the second I feel that is happening. I am not most men. Most men SHOULDNT be doing that. We'd have much more healthy relationships and more people would be humbled in actually understanding WHAT THEY REALLY attract. I can also say objectively outside of my opinion if this became the norm civilized society would collapse and life as we know it would drastically change. We only have our way of life because people get lonely and settle for the best they…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 09:03 PM
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If you had sex with someone right away and that person was not a valid choice for a LTP and you made the second person that NOW IS a LTP choice wait. You made a mark on your permanent record. Imagine making a woman have sex with you for a year before MAYBE promising a relationship. Men value sex, women value relationships. One isn't better than the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 08:56 PM
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This is absolutely not true. The finest, most successful dudes think EXACTLY like incells just not to your faces lol. They shit talk women, and layer that smooth "haha im just a funny open accepting guy" layer on top of their personality because it works. Behind closed doors with his boys, you ask a super fine dude if he would COMITT lock down and MARRY and have KIDS with a girl that got fucked by everyone in his hometown. He would say absolutely not, I would never commit to gutter trash. Yall r…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 08:46 PM
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Saving this comment for any chick that just does not get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 08:41 PM
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Because and I know its hard to understand, but if men didn't settle most relationships wouldn't exist lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 08:37 PM
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I don't disagree but I think those people should NEVER be separate. If you accept it from the guy or womans side, you probably should just not date anybody ever lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 08:33 PM
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Cap I was about to say. you guys are both talking passed each other. Im 30 have over 50 friends, a little under half are either partnered up and or married with kids. Out of those 50 unironically 10 are from normal courting dates that involved no sex. You are trying to say that just because someone has casual sex, it doesn't mean that it leads to a relationship which I would agree with. However No rough is saying that a PRE REQUISITE to a relationship these days IS SEX. Which ALSO is true. I hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 08:29 PM
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The biggest most hypocritical post on this website. Men and women put up with different behaviors for LTR and hookups but they shouldn't. If you would do more for your hookup, exert more effort, give BETTER sex to that LTR you shouldn't ever have the GRACE of experiencing that LTR. Ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 08:24 PM
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Absolutely been in love. Just got dumped by the one I love. Its crazy, every relationship that was objectively bad for me about I fought so hard to keep and maintain. Eventually I started getting more lax with dating and being more of a dickhead because it showed more success. Finally got with one that loved me for me and did so much for me. Wanted me to change my behavior (drinking wise) and I just didn't do enough to change it. Didn't even break up with me in a mean way, just told me that she …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 07:56 PM
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