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Female sexlessness is not only at an all time high but higher than male sexlessness. This isn't true.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 07:32 PM
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Ok, well I mean if she genuinely only goes after men not interested in a relationship with her I hope she takes some time to explore and work through those issues because that's certainly not very healthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 05:47 PM
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The issue with asking about celebrities is their status makes them more attractive, so you can't really compare them to average men. We have dating app statistics that very clearly show who women prefer. Plus common sense. Of course women like conventionally attractive men. Sure, there are exceptions to every rule, but for the most part that holds true. Male sexlessness is at an all time high historically, especially in the 18-25 age group but female sexlessness isn't. Ladies are into the hot du…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 05:44 PM
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Once he's cheating it's pretty much ruined at that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 05:13 PM
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How do you know the men only want sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 08:30 AM
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Only when he doesn't have options. Men that have options leave. So it's not that he wouldn't it's that he can't. Pretty shitty being married to someone that would leave if he could.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 07:47 AM
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There are always going to be issues in a marriage. Combine that with loss of attraction and people divorce. It's not rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 07:40 AM
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Very much so. Lots of women have crushes on them. Ever heard of Cumberbitches? They're rich, charming, celebrities. If they worked at Walmart and had average personalities they wouldn't be found any more attractive than the next guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 07:21 AM
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Old men don't leave their wives for younger women? Okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 07:18 AM
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I'm not saying you're not better off if you take care of yourself. Of course you are. But 50 year old men with options are very likely to leave their 50 year old wife for a younger one. And vise versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 06:53 AM
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Everyone ages, if a couple ages and declines together then it shouldn’t be an issue. Except it is. Older men are still attracted to younger women and vise versa. Natural aging isn’t the same as one person in a relationship suddenly gaining a lot of weight and putting considerably less effort into their appearance. Not the same, but it's still gonna have the same effect. It doesn’t matter how nice you are or what you have in common, those things usually don’t do anything for anyone in the bedroom…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 06:37 AM
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Both charming, attractive, desirable, wealthy, celebrities. That's definitely a type of guy women like, and we see that talked about on here a lot. Status, charm, confidence, and celebrity are attractive. They are very far from average Joe.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 05:04 AM
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Those are all attractive celebrities. That's a type of guy women are attracted to (attractive, charming celebrities). They aren't attracted to guy with fish and baseball hat on tinder or guy with dog and plaid shirt (average dudes). Just how men are attracted to Scar Jo not girl with dog filter and 3 cats on tinder. But people settle and compromise or stay single and crush on celebrities.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 04:56 AM
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The thing is someone can both be controlling and enforcing "their boundaries" at the same time. A lot of controlling people do just that. It doesn't matter what terminology we use. It's the way the "boundaries" are enforced that makes someone controlling or not. Someone can have a reasonable boundary of no cheating and enforce it in a controlling way, like checking their partner's phone, yelling at them if they talk to the opposite sex, telling them they'll break up with them if they talk to the…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/23 03:46 AM
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I didn't say it's one or the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 11:44 PM
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And that's fine too. Just go into it knowing the reality. Make sure you have your own money and a plan for if/when it doesn't work out.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 11:05 PM
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For sure. In fact, loss of attraction is a guarantee and everyone needs to be very aware of that. You gotta think why will he/she choose me when attraction is lost? Why would they stay with me as opposed to finding someone they are attracted to? And if you're marrying someone "for life" ask yourself, when this person is old and ugly and I've got other options, will I still want to be with them?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 09:45 PM
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Ladies, this is 100% how many men think. And regardless of how well you care for yourself you will get old and he'll cheat/leave if he has the option to and replace you with someone he's physically attracted to. This is why you gotta pick someone that loves you as a person and won't dump you (or wish they could dump you) the second you hit menopause. Don't listen to the men that are "it's different if she takes care of herself." It isn't. If he's there primarily for your looks when you lose said…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 08:51 PM
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So what does this friend do? Where does she find these guys? What does she do with them? How does she try to change them?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 08:21 PM
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Define "keeps going for fuckboys."
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 06:57 PM
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Idk that sounds like a her problem. I'm also not gonna lie, I don't believe this friend exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 04:55 PM
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I don't think there's much difference between a guy fuckboy and a guy who would be a fuckboy if he could. Someone settling for you out of desperation who would leave if someone hotter paid them attention is no one's ideal scenario. Finding guys that don't when they can is just as hard as finding guys that wouldn't if they could.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 04:44 PM
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In life? There are people with debilitating disabilities living in endless pain, people born into hunger and poverty they could never escape, victims horrific abuse, etc. It's definitely hard being neurodivergent and neurodivergent folks have many challenges, but being neurotypical is not the most important factor in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 05:03 AM
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Incredible counterargument.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 12:18 AM
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Where do you think the term originated? Unfortunately I think it's a "feel better about my obesity" term. Women were not 5.9 back then. A size 4 on a 5.9 woman is a thin woman, on a 5.4 woman it's somewhat curvy.In the 70s you would have to go out of your way to find a size 14 on the rack, and a size 14 would be cut smaller then it is today. I buy vintage clothing. In today's fashions I'm a 6-8 top, 6 bottom. In vintage clothing I'm a 8-10.Your ideal body shape for a woman would be considered to…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 11:18 PM
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This is an article obesity using the term "Rubenesque women" not about the women in his paintings. None of the women in his paintings are apple shaped so the authors of the study got that wrong. They're all pear shaped or hourglass. The women in Ruben's painting look like that size 14 woman to me. Some of them are bigger and some are smaller. Most importantly, Ruben's painting of Venus looks quite healthy, and she's supposed to represent the ideal woman of the time period.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 11:03 PM
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Yes. How do you know what size the women are?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 08:01 PM
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I think people are so used to seeing very thin and photoshopped images of women these paintings make the women seem a lot bigger than they are to some people. In real life they are what people would call "average" as far as body size goes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 08:00 PM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 07:59 PM
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I wouldn't call any of the women in those paintings obese. And I'm pretty sure if you saw women of that size and shape in real life, neither would you. I'm 100% sure none of them are clinically obese.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 07:55 PM
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I don't really see them as fat at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 07:35 PM
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Tell me the name of his painting where you'd call the women fat so I can see which women you think are fat. The word obese isn't even used a single time in that article to describe the women in his artwork so I'm not sure what you're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 07:05 PM
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Which painting?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 06:51 PM
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As I said to a commenter below I wouldn't consider women in renaissance art fat, including the work of Rubens. Perhaps if you were better familiar with his work you'd see what I see: very feminine women with hourglass figures that are perhaps slightly overweight. I would never call those women fat. Would you?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 06:33 PM
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During the renaissance we see a lot of art of fuller figured, very feminine women pretty much exclusively with hourglass shapes. They were perhaps slightly overweight or the high end of a healthy weight, but I don't know if I personally would call them fat. Would you?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 06:26 PM
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Back in history, fat women were considered attractive. When?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 06:17 PM
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I see women on reddit make the claim all the time that Chris Hemsworth or Henry Cavil aren't that attractive. I guarantee that if these women met either of these men in real life it would be a different story.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 10:08 PM
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No woman Hi. I am that woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 10:06 PM
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Better, probably. It can still be bad for both. I mean doing the same things can include: no foreplay, selfish lover, lazy, overly aggressive, doesn't ask for consent, etc. Good looks are one single factor and don't guarantee a good experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 04:02 PM
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aroused you will be Yes and the better the sex. Incorrect lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 08:02 AM
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As long as everyone is a consenting adult and everyone is treated with respect I think it's great that men (or women) look for love overseas. I also recommend all future passport bros and sisters watch some 90 day fiance so they know how easily it can not work out...and you're stuck financially supporting your ex for a decade. I also implore people to really take bringing a foreigner over seriously, and prepare to be their only support for the culture shock and loss of independence.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 03:52 AM
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It's just what I believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 02:58 AM
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It's not a rebuttal or an agreement. I don't think most people think women are more emotionally intelligent. I think most people think women are more emotional.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 12:40 AM
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yet you just agreed with that Where?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 12:19 AM
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Not really. Most girls I knew, myself included, were over partying by senior year of college. We all partied the most before 21. No one was "less attractive" at 22. Partying gets old, and it isn't very satisfying after a while. The first few times you get inundated with attention is cool, but a few years later it's just not exciting any more. It gets boring. And since it's a very "empty" activity it's easy to move on from.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 11:15 PM
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Let’s see you not ask for guidance and forgiveness in your most powerless moments Doing that doesn't make it real.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 11:11 PM
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It's because being good looking doesn't equal good in bed. For men or women. Sleeping with someone hot doesn't automatically equate to a good experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 11:09 PM
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True. People are also bad at self awareness.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 10:01 PM
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Girl me too. It's either fit or blob, no in-between.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 09:57 PM
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Being much more disagreeable, argumentative and dismissive. Idk if I'd call that being an asshole. You're probably just coming off as more confident/less needy. Great, you just said what society expresses. So you agree with me. No. Emotional intelligence is not the same thing as being emotional.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 09:06 PM
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​ Yes, they do. You're disagreeing with my experience when I can't change the shape of my face, yet I can change my behavior. I'm telling you how women respond to my "nice" behavior vs my asshole-ish behavior. I mean I really can't comment on you personally unless I saw it for myself but my guess is it's confidence. How are you being an asshole? Are you physically or emotionally abusive? Are you manipulative? Are you cruel? Do you put them down? Are you mean to your server? The vast majority of …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 07:04 PM
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The majority of women respond to asshole-ish behavior over the opposite. No they don't. The majority of women respond to confident, masculine, good looking men. A confident, masculine, good looking guy that is nice will get women to respond just as much as the confident, masculine, good looking asshole. Niceness, while a nice quality to have, isn't sexually attractive, so it won't get women to respond or not respond. Other qualities do that. Perhaps the asshole, unlike the nice guy, has some sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 06:37 PM
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Women aren't more emotionally intelligent. Men and women are both mostly shit at reading people. Women are people. Some women like assholes some don't. Just like men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 06:15 PM
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You subscribing to whatever roles you want to is great. Have at it. You saying what roles people should fill based on their sex is sexism. There's a difference between: "I want my man/woman to be X" and "A man/woman should be X"
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 06:46 AM
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This is just sexism.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 06:35 AM
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I wish more people had this energy for both ends of the spectrum.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 12:54 AM
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Climate change is actually going to be pretty good for farming for the western world. The world isn't gonna collapse in 7 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 12:45 AM
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Can't really argue for that when women see themselves as a resource. Women as a whole don't see themselves as anything. We're individuals. That's what OP is saying as well. Some other woman's choice of weather or not she wants to sell sex isn't having any impact on weather I want to sell sex. Some other man's choice to see sex isn't having any impact on weather I want to sell sex. Females of different species exchange sex for resources. Its a legit behavioral trait among animals, if you didn't k…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 10:00 PM
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Ok, and I explained why some women's actions don't justify seeing women as a resource.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 09:18 PM
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Friend, no one is saying that they are. OP and I are saying using/seeing women as a resource is wrong. You're saying women are doing it (it meaning allowing for a system where they are seen as a resource) to themselves because some women use sex as leverage. I'm saying that the free action of some women doesn't justify women being used/seen as a resource against their will.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 09:03 PM
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That's not what I'm saying. I was saying that just because some men do a thing by choice (like join the military) doesn't mean that it's therefore right or justified to force men to do said thing (to force men to be in the millitary.) Just because some women use sex as leverage doesn't mean that it is therefore justified using woman-kind as a resource.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 08:07 PM
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A portion of women willfully doing it is not the same, all/most women being forced to do that same thing. Choosing to use sex as leverage is not the same thing as being used as a resource regardless of her will. Women are individual people with free will. This is like saying if men don't want to be drafted then they should stop willingly singing up to be in the military.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 07:45 PM
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That's just what the studies are saying. That it's a decrease in marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 09:30 PM
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It seems like the biggest factor is marriage. People just aren't getting married as young any more.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 08:59 PM
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I'd say it's more than a bit harder. It's tripled for men over the last 10 years but stayed about the same for women. I'm not about romanticizing the past either, but things really are quite a bit worse for men. https://medium.com/hello-love/the-number-of-sexless-men-has-tripled-in-10-years-why-e97e7165d2a1
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 08:18 PM
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Except male sexlessness among young men has been rising, so that's not entirely accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 08:00 PM
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Unchecked capitalism allows for monopolies. "Checked" capitalism means the government would step in and prevent monopolies. But, at the end of the day, neither capitalism nor socialism, nor any other system will prevent the rich from exploiting the system in place. The problem is not the system but the people in power.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 07:58 PM
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There is a recent post discussing romance novels and it talked about a book where the character is a hot surgeon but a douche and women loved him. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/151e4qb/are_romance_novels_a_good_indicator_of_what_turns/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1 As a reader of romance I can tell you that book is very controversial and unlike most romance novels (hence the controversy). That man isn't a douche, he's full on ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 07:35 AM
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Well if you use the word loving as a catch all for having 10+ positive qualities....that's starting to sound like a checklist. Or I could use your logic and say a "loving" man will want to work very hard provide for his family, hence sneakily sliding money/status in there. We could lump all the qualities women want under "loving," bringing me back to my original point of how everyone has a checklist whether you lump it under one word or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 07:21 AM
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And loving includes not nagging and being a dick No, those are additional qualities. Because someone can 100% be both loving and nagging and a dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 07:15 AM
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Nope, that's why past the attraction part, men will pick the most loving and loyal option and women will pick the highest status option. That's why the common male fantasies center around the women saving herself for a man (loyalty) and sticks with him through hard times. While the female fantasy centers around the status of the man (6'4 billionaire surgeon vampires). In all those fantasies the vampire surgeons is incredibly loyal, sticks by the protagonist through everything. Loyalty is a massi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 07:04 AM
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But that isn’t what they want You’re talking in terms of what actually happens OP is talking about ideals and in the ideal world men would be soooo happy with an average woman who is really into them OP didn't say average woman who is into them. OP said attractive (to him) woman that is loving. That woman could be lazy, confrontational, aggressive, masculine, a nag, etc. She could be below average in every way! If OP was being real, theres a long list of boxes to tick for a man, as you say, to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 06:46 AM
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Of course they do. Just how men get hot women that aren't loving.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 06:38 AM
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Attractive is a box men want ticked. OP is acting like it isn't? Attractiveness is also a form status. That being said... Women will disregard loving for status but not attractiveness. Attractive men will get women if they're broke, unemployed, a criminal, etc. Status is not as important as attractiveness. Men will disregard loving for attractiveness. Men will let hot women walk all over them, even if she treats him like crap. Being loving is not as important as attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 06:30 AM
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Women don't care about how loving a man is? Not as much as what boxes he can tick, even after getting past the attraction part Women care about ticking boxes as much or as little as men. That's my point. Yes I'm glad you brought this up because it is literally a meme that in romance novels geared towards women the guy is always some 6'4 billionaire vampire surgeon... That loves the protagonist. It's the fantasy of having all the boxes ticked and someone that loves you. Same thing men want. No ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 06:25 AM
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​ You just proved OPs point lmao No, you made a point I didn't make, which I disagree with. The boxes being ticked don't mean anything if he isn't "loving." For men and women. Men don't care if an unattractive woman is loving to them. Everyone wants to be loved by someone that ticks boxes, and one of those boxes is he/she loves me.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 06:20 AM
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Women don't care about how loving a man is? If he's attractive they 100% do. Just how men don't care about how loving a woman is if she's unattractive. Who wants to be with someone that isn't into them? Ever read a romance novel or watched a romanic movie geared towards women?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 04:01 AM
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You're missing my point. Women also want "a man they're attracted to and he is really into her." Her attraction is gonna be based on criteria, just like a man's attraction. This post doesn't prove your premise: women have "boxes" and men just want someone into them, because everyone has boxes, they're just different. You used men's criteria for both men and women, when men and women have very different criteria.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 03:47 AM
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Except women are much willing to be single than settle compared to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 03:41 AM
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Men wanna tick boxes too. Looks box, age box, feminine box, enthusiastic in bed box, weight box, etc. Men don't want a woman they think is ugly "as into him as possible." Men also get turned off by clingy women unless he has literally no options or she's a supermodel so "as into you as possible" also doesn't apply. All you've done is taken men's "boxes" and decided they're not boxes. They're different criteria....but they're still criteria.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 03:38 AM
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I read a good amount of romance. Most male leads are hyper masculine, good looking, dark, stoic, brooding, and rich/powerful in some way. Is this a representation of what women like in men? Yes. Absolutely. Red Pill isn't wrong about that. Women on average (there are exceptions of course) like masculine, hot, powerful, emotionally mature men. Just like in books geared towards men the female love interests are young, hot, and inexplicably obsessed with the male protagonist despite him being painf…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 12:03 AM
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Idk, I wouldn't tongue anyone during a first kiss even if I'm 100% into him. Maybe I'm in the minority, but I'm generally not that into tongue kissing... especially in public.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 11:25 PM
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Lesbians in relationships have less sex than any other type of couple. Check out stats for gay men vs hetero couples or lesbian couples. Men do have higher sex drives than women due to testosterone. There's nothing wrong with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 09:26 PM
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Ok that makes sense. My bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 07:32 PM
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Stop arguing against this strawman. It's the argument made by the commenter you responded to, not a strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 05:42 PM
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Yeah. Too bad for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 05:39 PM
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He is more than welcome to tell his side of the story. If and when he does, I will reassess. But I'm not going to just call her a vengeful ex and a liar because Jonah Hill doesn't want to respond. That's just a bullshit deflection to silence women. You think an appropriate response is for him to start posting her texts publicly? Oof. Maybe you're really young, maybe not, but this is not an appropriate way to handle conflict. And this has absolutely nothing to do with gender, get outta here with …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 05:14 PM
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Two wrongs don't make a right, friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 05:11 PM
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Go spend the time you would sending your exes new girlfriends texts volunteering at a soup kitchen if your logic for doing that is the betterment of humanity. Jonah wasn't abusive. The dog is dangerous. Jonah is a douche at worst. Not every asshole behavior is abusive. We should really not start assuming/implying/suggesting abuse where there isn't any.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 08:18 AM
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If he didn't mistreat her and wasn't violent towards her, she needs to focus on herself and stay out of his life.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 07:36 AM
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I mean what he said and the way he said it was certainly not a healthy way of communicating, but it's on the same level crappy of like a third of the men and women I know. I don't like him more, but I feel sorry for him having to deal with this bs.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 05:52 AM
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His "lowest moment?" How is he the victim here? Tell you what though, if I ever insult my wife for not complying with my orders that she not talk to men or wear a swimsuit to the beach, she is more than welcome to put it on blast anywhere she wants. I hope that you one day learn that "you" being shitty wouldn't justify her being shitty back by publicly humiliating you.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 02:29 AM
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​ Because she wanted to get it off her chest. People vent on social media all the time. How is that a justification to publicity shame and humiliate someone in front of millions? She didn't do it to get it off her chest. She did it to hurt him and for clout. If you wanna get something off your chest you talk to a therapist or to your friend, not publicly humiliate someone. There's no need to have the general public/strangers involved. I hope that if someone puts your lowest moment on blast on so…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 01:49 AM
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So he's allowed to insult her but she's not allowed to post on social media about it? What kind of ass backwards logic is that? Being shamed publicly in front of millions of people for his worst moment in a relationship from two years ago? Why is she making it public? How is sending that level of hate to him appropriate for what he said? How has his livelihood been affected? Do you not know how Hollywood works?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 01:33 AM
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Are you seriously equating "telling someone about it" and "putting on blast for millions of people and effecting his livelihood?"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 01:14 AM
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Some degrees are indeed bullshit. Moreover, if you take the data on income earned (you know, the reason people go to college) men are performing more. We already addressed this point. It's a choice and has nothing to do with intelligence. If men are making more money and women are more enrolled, the only conclusion is that women are getting bullshit degrees that don't turn into economic success Women going into college know if their degree will bring economic success or not. It's a choice. And l…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 12:45 AM
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"Women are outperforming men in universities. They are not less intelligent, if anything they are more intelligent." Women are outperforming men if you don't just choose to decide that anything but stem is "bullshit" which is "stupid" because no, it isn't. And in those fields men are barely outperforming women, going back to the OPs and commenters point that women aren't less intelligent.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 12:32 AM
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Read the comment that started this thread that you replied to.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 12:24 AM
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​ Shame you can't help but be uncivil. I'm not gonna report you for it because you at least are attempting to engage with the discussion point. Are you saying insulting someone's intelligence is "uncivil." Interesting. More than half of law school grads are women: Not STEM. moving on. Why does it matter that it isn't STEM? Half of medical school grads are women: Outstanding. They're finally making up ground in an area. This is something to be celebrated. So women aren't less smart than men. I'm …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 12:10 AM
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Does that make it ok? Especially when the exes name is shared?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 12:04 AM
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Oh ok, men on average are smarter than women (not including you). And you're using earned income and STEM to prove that? More than half of law school grads are women: https://www.abalegalprofile.com/women.php#:~:text=Although%20more%20than%20half%20of,National%20Association%20of%20Women%20Lawyers. Half of medical school grads are women: https://www.aamc.org/data-reports/workforce/data/figure-12-percentage-us-medical-school-graduates-sex-academic-years-1980-1981-through-2018-2019#:~:text=In%20198…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 11:45 PM
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You're including yourself in the group by including men. Sorry, you've made yourself and your intelligence relevent.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 11:36 PM
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Oh ok, so you're not including yourself when you say "men?" My bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 11:27 PM
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No it's not. You're a man, claiming men are smarter than women. Surely that means you're more educated than the average woman? You talked about STEM being a real degree and not the arts/humanities, so I'd love to hear about your STEM degree and how you outperform the women in STEM. What's your degree in?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 11:13 PM
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​ What's the demonstrable difference between someone who can't do something and someone who won't do something What level of education do you have?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 10:57 PM
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Women are outperforming men in law school and medical school as well as in high school. Not wanting to do STEM doesn't mean we're too stupid to do STEM.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 10:42 PM
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By definition he's not Mr. Perfect. This is no woman's idea of "perfect," save for women that wanna use him for something or a small handful of outliers. If it were an open relationship, then sure. But a one-sided one? Nah. But lots of women would be into this (though they would not see him as perfect), probably as many women as men willing to be with toxic women because they're hot and it's the best they could do.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 10:39 PM
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I mean I will say a lot of women have also spoken out against her, it's just not been most.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 09:23 PM
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Right! If those were his worst moments....that says a lot. For everyone tearing him apart, I'd like to see your worst moment in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 07:52 PM
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stupid and illogical. You're right. He was being stupid and illogical and trying to be controlling. They broke up. Great. Why is she posting those texts publicly years later, without any context, trying to ruin his reputation?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 07:03 PM
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He was being kinda shitty in those texts... emphasis on kinda. It's pretty clear no one (Jonah or the internet) actually knows what a boundary is but that's hardly criminal. But, her leaking those texts publicly years later, damaging his career and reputation for clout is downright vile. I was shocked how few people called her out for what she did. It's incomparable to what he said and idk why so many women are conveniently ignoring that what she did could impact this man's livelihood and reputa…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 06:58 PM
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She’s also kind of weird like him so i can see why they get along So she's not dating him for safety or security but because she genuinely likes him and is attracted to him? That contradicts the entire premise of your post.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 05:11 PM
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Also my ex and I broke up recently, thanks very much! Ok, so you have been dating, which means you are not "barely getting male attention." Anyways, i do work on self-improvement, as I do therapy every week and work on my own version of self-care. That's great! I know I probably won’t retain a younger attractive man based on prior experiences so I’m trying to change my perspective. Also great. But your roommate's boyfriend "tending to her like a child" and "having the patience of a saint" are ba…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 06:34 AM
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This reads like a larp. One look at your post history and you claim to have a boyfriend so.... That being said, there's no correlation between how a man looks and how he treats you. Bad looking men are just as likely to treat their partner badly as good looking men and average men. Picking a man based on security....is shitty for both parties involved. If anything "you" should be trying to improve yourself. Plenty of women find happy relationships at 40 if they take care of themselves and are re…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/23 06:11 AM
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Except ya'll have it way worse. As a woman I'd get loads of matches and people messaging me, and the reason I'd get ignored is b/c men are so not used to women messaging first they assume it's a scam. I feel for you guys on the appts. It's really rough out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 11:05 PM
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90% of the time Ive initiated on OLD I got ignored or called a bot.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 08:05 PM
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Someone Im attracted to physically and someone who has a personality that I like. It has to be both.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 07:34 PM
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I always pay for myself and I like to suggest a free first date. I just don't wanna deal with the issue. It's a stupid, sexist cultural norm that creates unnecessary awkwardness.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 03:38 AM
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You'd be surprised how being rich and famous overrides everything else. Plus, he's in Leo DiCaprio's friend group.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/23 03:36 AM
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I think this can be simplified down to: Is it inherently controlling to ask your partner to change something about themselves? No. Can it be controlling? Yes. With Tom and Giselle we don't have the context to call Giselle's behavior controlling. In Jonah's case I believe we do.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 10:30 PM
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He agreed to give it up, then went back on his word. That's the issue. He broke his promise. She divorced him. Seems like things were handled appropriately. She agreed to take down some of the photos and went back on it You're mistaking me for a supporter of hers. I'm not. I think releasing those texts was a vile thing to do to him, and I think she handled her end (in the texts) of things just as bad as him. Even if he agreed that’s not the point, the point is was she in the right to ask in the …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 09:25 PM
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He agreed to give it up, then went back on his word. That's the issue. He broke his promise. She divorced him. Seems like things were handled appropriately. Jonah isn't in the wrong for asking surfer girl to change. It was stupid of him to expect her to, but I wouldn't say it's "wrong" to ask. He's in the wrong for the way he did it, which was pretty rude if you read all the texts. The "controlling" part of the Jonah thing is the way he was talking to her, and making a long list of demands, incl…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 08:43 PM
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Giselle’s pursed a football player and knew what that entailed. It entailed retiring well before 40.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 08:31 PM
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This doesn't disprove what I said though. Sounds like these girls already held the belief that they only thirst trap while single and will stop in a relationship. They aren't changing who they are for anyone. "Who they are" is already the kind of person that thirst traps only while single.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 06:53 PM
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But humans are naturally monogamous. Our species has a very strong desire to pair-bond. Just because some people cheat and some people choose to be non-monogamous doesn’t change that fact. Pair bond yes. Life-long monogamy, no. We're naturally polygamous/polyandrous. So, pair-bonding with different partners, and changing those partners every 8 years or so. It's a great way to diversify the gene pool and to ensure that "your" genes make it with the healthiest mate possible. Also, who is forcing i…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 06:49 PM
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No, he isn't. 63% of young men are single.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 05:39 PM
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Except the average man struggles with dating so this makes no sense. I guess it depends how you define "struggle with dating"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 05:23 PM
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How would you feel if I said people that go on a lot of first dates when they are single likely to keep going on first dates when they get into a relationship because past behavior is a great predictor of future behavior? Anyways, I know you're just trolling now, so I'm guessing you got the point. I wish you luck in finding your non-promiscuous future partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 06:18 AM
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Define "promiscuity in a relationship"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 06:02 AM
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the chance of promiscuity in a relationship You mean cheating?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 05:51 AM
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You keep saying promiscuous people are going to cheat once in a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 05:37 AM
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​ i jsut said there is a much higher likelihood that a woman that has engaged with tonnes of promiscuous sex before a relationship is not likely to just change that behaviour long term all of a sudden, its ingrained at a certian point Promiscuity does not equal cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 05:23 AM
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so isnt it safe to assume most omen wont stop their years of promiscuity for their man Promiscuity isn't cheating. If they aren't a cheater there's nothing to stop. you dont think years of drug use before a relationship would not indicate the future of drug use in a relationship It does. But most drug users aren't using because they are single, unlike a lot of promiscuous people who aren't cheaters. promiscuity is not just fun casual sex for most people, its a neutronic coping mechanism to fill …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 04:45 AM
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No one will stop anything just for their partner (most of the time). But that has nothing to do with cheating vs promiscuity. But you keep calling promiscuous people cheaters. Some are, some aren't. Just how some people that aren't promiscuous are serial cheaters. Plenty of men that played the field "settle down" and don't cheat. Same with women. A much better argument that you can make: promiscuous people are more likely to cheat. Then sure, that might true. But it's got nothing to do with the …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 03:48 AM
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why cant woman post million of half naked photos before a marriage and then stop uploading them when married? They can? cant they just be a person that posts half naked photo while single and not when in a relaionship? Maybe some people are? This is where you ask them how they feel about those kinds of photos in a relationship vs when they are single? You know....before you start dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 03:36 AM
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You're comparing two different things. Someone can have a lot of partners when single, but not be a cheater when in a relationship. Same with men. Plenty of men sleep around and don't cheat on their partner when they do get one. Promiscuity when single doesn't mean promiscuity in a relationship unless the promiscuous person is a cheater. Someone can be promiscuous and not a cheater. Someone not being promiscuous in a relationship isn't changing who they are....if they are already the person that…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 03:07 AM
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The reality is most people are flawed. Most people have major and minor flaws, and lots of them. If we didn't accept people's flaws, big or small, we'd all be single. The guy you said women "passed on" for minor flaws....also have major flaws.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/23 02:42 AM
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There is a certain type of woman that would go on these podcasts...and they don't represent your average woman. Those podcasters are running a business. They don't care about anything but the bottom line. Putting women on there that disprove their pov wouldn't be good for their business so you're not gonna see that. There's a reason for why no matter what woman goes on there they want the "same thing." I could start a podcast with the premise that all men are abusive and find you abusers from al…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 10:24 PM
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Maybe humans aren't meant to be in lifelong relationships. If they were, we wouldn't have to force it. It would be great if we accepted that humans aren't monogamous naturally instead of trying to find ways to force people to be in unhappy relationships for 50 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 08:25 PM
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It's like what the PPD guys say: don't ask women for dating advice as a man.....don't ask men for dating advice as a woman. Actually being innocent and submissive and feminine won't get you those guys. They want hyper-sexual, fun, experienced in bed, and assertive. Men love women that make moves, that "take care" of them, that are aggressive and take control in bed, and that are "cool" or fun to be around. Sweet Sarah the shy 20 year old whose only dated her HS boyfriend is not gonna attract mos…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 06:46 PM
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My bitches know their role. Are they in the room now?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/23 03:29 AM
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Sex education should be more-or-less standardized, not up to each teacher to decide how they want to teach it. That being said, not teaching it at all does much more harm than good. Obviously extreme teachers are bad regardless of what side of the spectrum they are on. Abstinence, sex takes away your purity and god hates sex it is just as toxic as you can pick your gender based on how you feel that morning and identify as a zebra. But it's so important for schools to teach kids how babies are ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 06:12 PM
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Self-learning isn't an excuse at that age for treating someone like that. It's an excuse at 19 not 35. If by 35 you don't know your boundaries and decide to change them mid-relationship then threaten to break up with your partner if they don't succumb to your multiple demands, that's shitty.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 06:04 PM
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No, but I'm really only interested in eating his trash so....
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 06:56 AM
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I thought I knew myself, a lot of the issue(s) came down to things that I didn't previously realize would have such an effect on me. That's totally fine and a very normal experience for a young person to have. But this guy has been around the block. He's had like 5-6 public, long-term relationships before that girl (and that's not counting the not-public ones.) Some of them were with other celebrities, so there's really no excuse. If he was like 16-19 years old I'd give him a pass. We don't know…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 06:41 AM
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We shouldn't punish their clients either. The only people that need to be punished are traffickers and people that knowingly buy from (rape) victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 06:30 AM
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Then we look for ways to address trafficking as the separate industry that it is. Why are we punishing sex workers and clients because trafficking exists? This isn't done in any other industry with a black market, and half our crap is made from borderline human slavery.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 06:18 AM
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The real question is why not make it legal so sex workers can just work in peace, pay taxes, and not be afraid of calling the police, and their customers can do the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 06:11 AM
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He may not have known how much it would bother him if he'd never been in that situation before. He's a 39 year old celebrity in Leo Dicaprio's crew. He's dated around enough so I don't think that's the case. I see how that could be framed as threatening the relationship but imo that's a malicious interpretation. If someone is threatening breaking up as a way to manipulate someone to change something about themselves it fits under that umbrella. Lots of gray area there we could get into, but I th…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 03:12 AM
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It's more like if he was playing recreational football with some guys who otherwise made questionable life choices and were posting pictures online with all of them hanging out with thots after the game. Having boundaries is not controlling. This is just controlling language to prevent men from having reasonable boundaries. If you don't agree to the boundaries, then leave. I agree that having boundaries is not controlling. It's very healthy. But, like I said, what's controlling and manipulative …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 12:38 AM
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Jonah wasn't controlling in the slightest Let's say a woman started dating a guy that liked football and months into the relationship, after he's emotionally invested, she told him if you don't stop watching football and hanging with your friend group, I'm gonna break up with you. That's her trying to be controlling, just like Jonah was. Isolating people from friends, controlling what they post, where they go, what they wear, etc., is textbook controlling. Just don't date people you're incompati…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 12:07 AM
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It's definitely him trying to be a bit controlling because this is exactly who she was when he pursued her, but once he got with her he threatened the relationship if she didn't change who she was for him. He can have whatever preferences he wants, but it's definitely not cool to only enforce those preferences after the fact. That being said, it's certainly not abusive by any means, and her making it public, I think, was unnecessary, weird, and immature.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 10:50 PM
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Yes ,they are male dominated but there are still plenty of women there too. And actually, this proves my point even more, cause women on dating apps, tinder for example, which has tens of millions of users, they find only 5% of guys attractive, 5% out of a male dominated space, so that says a lot about women's ridiculous standards. They'd find a much higher percentage of guys attractive if they have fewer options and less attention. I went to a mostly female university. Most women had to date ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 07:02 PM
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Tinder and other dating apps are a great representation of real life dating. They aren't b/c they're very male dominated. These platforms would be very different if they were 50/50 or female dominated. Most women in general are not interested in having emotional needs, Lol, everyone is. Men and women. they just want got guys or very expensive things, that is it. The whole idea of women just wanting actually good communicative men is the biggest lie ever. If what you said it's true, then women wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 04:48 PM
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I mean I personally have never had sex with anyone on a first date no matter how attracted I was to them. People do have self control, folks. I aint about jumping into bed with a stranger I've known for 1.5 hours.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 04:39 PM
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They do. People have a right to say what they think is acceptable or unacceptable (like you've done) and you have the right to do whatever you want regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 04:33 PM
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Well we all know that statistically less sex leads to more unwanted pregnancy and STDs....as kids will "learn" from the internet as most parents do a shit job of teaching sex ED, but I guess there's always people like you that worry that a teacher saying some people are gay might turn all the kids gay so it's a real tossup huh....
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 07:00 AM
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I dont think any teacher has any business teaching about sexual orientation. So no sex ED at all beyond anatomy?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 05:05 AM
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The truth is they didn't have the same earning potential as men, not that they couldn't or didn't work. Throw being the primary caretaker of the kids on top of that, and alimony made sense. Not anymore, obviously.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 02:01 AM
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I know. I still don't believe that is accurate. Let's see it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 04:55 AM
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Nah, that's not accurate then.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 04:46 AM
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Maybe outside the US or a long time ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 04:31 AM
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Sounds like you live in a rich area. None of this applies to most people. Regular people can't just open an unprofitable fitness studio for fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 03:06 AM
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but most couples are woman/democrat and man/republican No, they aren't. Most couples have the same beliefs. In the US at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 02:57 AM
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Men don't care. They so care. You might not. But lots of men care. I once had a man end a date after he found out I got into a better law school than him.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 01:09 AM
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Well you gotta campaign/fight for it/advocate for it. That's how things happen. We're in a time here in the US where abortion rights just got stripped away for a lot of people, so it's gonna be tough to get paper abortions before abortions are available and accessible for all that want them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 07:56 PM
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Well men can't get pregnant. How can a man have the right to abort a child? A man can abandon a child just how a woman can and pay child support, just how a woman would. I can get behind paper abortions where men sign away parental rights during the time that a woman could get an abortion. But I don't think I understand what you'd want beyond that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 07:02 PM
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I mean I agree women have more resources and that isn't fair, I just don't see what additional resources you want for fathers when it comes to safe haven boxes?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 06:50 PM
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I see your point on WIC. But women have the means to abandon their kids and nobody will stop them. https://shbb.org/ They even have a map to help you find a place to give up your kid. While I understand the why, the fact remains that this effort is directly aimed at mothers. What about fathers in crisis? Fuck us, right? Well those are usually used by mothers that are alone and/or young, and often dad is not in the picture. It exists for the benefit of the child (so children don't get thrown into…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 06:28 PM
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Women are allocated funds to take care of themselves and their children (i.e. WIC) and men get to go to jail if we fail to take care of our children Men are welcome to step up, get 50/50 custody and get WIC. This is a choice. Men get custody when they fight for it, many just don't want it. https://www.dadsdivorcelaw.com/blog/fathers-and-mothers-child-custody-myths#:~:text=Myth%3A%20Fathers%20Almost%20Never%20Get%20Custody&text=However%2C%20studies%20indicate%20that%20dads,pushed%20aggressively%2…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 06:12 PM
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existence without men. Friend, without both men and women we'd all not be here. That being said, most men had nothing to do with improving society. Idk why we focus so much on the gender of the people that helped with progress because the average man in history had much more in common with the average woman in history than with any brilliant rulers or inventors or scientists. Then there's the whole thing of women weren't allowed a higher education, weren't allowed in libraries, had men take cred…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 06:07 PM
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I'm not arguing against any of what you've said. Those are all definitely reasons for why people struggle. I'm arguing that this is bad and that people need to take care of themselves for themselves and their children, instead of excusing and justifying harming themselves. You wouldn't tell a smoker it's ok to cope with stress by smoking, or an alcoholic it's ok to cope by drinking. We know obesity kills people, and we know food is a bad way to cope with stress. That being said, new babies are n…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 03:08 AM
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Order healthy food if you order out. Buy healthy pre-made food if you buy pre-made. Smaller portion sizes. It takes 1 minute to microwave an oatmeal packet instead of getting chips. Microwave some canned veggies. Eat canned beans. Meal prep. Buy frozen and throw it in the oven/microwave. But salad mix. Take 1 minute to make a sandwich with lettuce, tomato, and turkey. It takes 2 minutes to cook an egg in the microwave. It takes 3 minutes to make a smoothie with cheap ingredients. Kids grow up. P…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 10:33 PM
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Where did I say fat people are lazy? Why is saying taking care of your body, self-love and self-care suddenly become a bad thing to say? Why are we pretending there are no parents that work and take care of their health? Come on.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 10:20 PM
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Yet no one is overeating broccoli and chicken breasts
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 09:42 PM
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I think part of being a good parent is taking care of yourself. Modeling good habits is soooo important for kids, and that includes self-care and self-love. You can't pour out of an empty cup.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 09:41 PM
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I'm not saying I don't accept the social norms, I do, but I can both accept them and acknowledge that they are sexist.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 04:20 AM
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Sure, but my whole point is that the principle is sexist, so following the "invite pays" rule in dating makes no sense. It's an outdated and sexist social norm and justifying it with "invite pays" makes no sense. It's not about that. It's about the expectation that men invite and pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 02:45 AM
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The thing is men are expected to invite, and expected to pay even if they don't. The "you invite you pay" thing only works if there's not the expectation that one gender needs to do the inviting and paying. It's just sexism at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/23 02:33 AM
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Being a sugar baby is just sex work, and people always wrongly think it's easy money or an easy life. Not only does it have an expiration date...most sugar babies don't actually make much money....even very attractive ones. The market is oversaturated, and the demand from very rich men is too low. Most sugar daddies aren't rich and are actually looking for a cheap prostitute. There is a very small percentage of sugar babies that find millionaires to fund their lavish lifestyle. Very small.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 07:23 AM
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Except in real life they do, and that has a massive effect on marriages. Their husbands certainly do look at them "that way." Men that put a lot of value on their partner being attractive don't suddenly stop when they get married...if all they put value on is looks and submissiveness those men aren't going to be happy with their wives and cheat/leave/be miserable. It's true for how women see their husbands too. For most people, there will come a day when your partner is no longer sexy. Being fri…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 07:18 AM
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I mean you're not wrong. Traditionalism is a spectrum that has a lot of variability culture to culture, but at it's core it's very closely tied to religion and strict gender roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 07:10 AM
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True. Every blue collar guy I know in the US struggles way less than the men here.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 02:58 AM
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i dont care what you think it means, im completely fine with you and i thinking differently There's a definition. If you understand what it actually means, you'll see that no, not everyone is a hypocrite. The definition of a word isn't an opinion, friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 02:56 AM
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You brought up hypocrisy. If it doesn't matter don't ask about it? Do you know what hypocrisy means? I don't think you have any idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 02:11 AM
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What does that have to do with hypocrisy?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 02:05 AM
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No one is calling the 5'1'' guy a hypocrite? Your question is about hypocrisy. hypocrisy is about moral standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 01:31 AM
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Eastern European that lives in the US here. It's totally different largely because Eastern Europe is more traditional (men are more masculine/women are more feminine) and in countries like Russia with way more women than men, women take what they can get. Eastern Europe has it's flaws, but it beats men over the head with masculinity from a young age and women are attracted to that. Eastern European men are much more aggressive, assertive and stoic. On the flip side, they tend towards alcoholism,…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 12:04 AM
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People don't have issue with something different, they have issues with hypocrisy. The "how they ended up in the situation" is the most important part, not the outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 11:59 PM
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Can't answer a question based on a false premise.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 11:12 PM
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Join a club. Join a sports team. Go to meetups. Get a hobby done in groups and join said groups (hiking, motorcycles, running, adult baseball, chess club, DnD, improv, whatever.) If you struggle with social skills work on them. Social skills are skills and can be improved. Give it a year of working on it and you'll be doing well. Or go for people that also lack social skills and want friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 07:46 PM
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While male sugar babies aren't nearly as common, they totally exist. Will need source or evidence for that claim. People already shared some good links, and I'll add Brittney Spears' current husband and Ivana Trumps widower into the mix. There's this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ty4eNpFAfPg&ab_channel=NowThisNews And sugar mammas exist on websites like seeking arrangements, there's just fewer of them. Also sometimes sugar daddies want men not women. That's only in the USA or where sex wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 07:14 PM
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While male sugar babies aren't nearly as common, they totally exist. And the majority of women can never be sugar babies, and even the majority of women that try don't end up making much money at all. It's a big myth that it's easy money for any woman that tries. Anyways, sugaring is sex work. Getting married rich is not the same thing. It can be very transactional, but it can also be for love, and it's really gonna vary marriage to marriage. Also that girl is very pretty. She could totally do p…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 06:16 PM
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Lifetime alimony made sense in a time when women didn't have the same earning opportunities as men, and being a poorly educated sahm with no work experience was common. It makes no sense any more. Temporary alimony for stay at home parents makes total sense—giving them enough time to find a good job or get a 2 year degree. Weirdly progressive decision from Florida, but good for them for once. I hope they fix child support laws next.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/23 05:03 AM
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Most people don't have an issue with that unless someone is looking for too long.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 09:35 PM
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No one has an issue with looking, but if you're staring someone down like they're a piece of pizza that's pretty awkward no matter who it is or how they're dressed. Also that's not what the male gaze is referring to.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 09:08 PM
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Women know this is the kind of behavior men will exhibit Damn, I didn't realize men have no self control or social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 07:20 PM
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My default date is a walk in the park. For whatever reason it's easier to open up when walking and talking. Maybe it's cause you're not stuck looking right at each other. Plus no issue with "who pays." But getting sweaty isn't my jam. I don't wanna look ugly in front of them until like date 5.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 07:16 PM
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Repeated after me women receive more taxes than they pay, men in benefits PAID for this benefits. No, women on benefits receive more taxes than they pay. Plenty of young men are on benefits, friend. Plenty. If I can't pull out from it is not consent it's coercion. You can. Quit your job and work under the table or go live off grid. You assume consent because it benefits you in doing so but if any men said women give consent for abuse and harassment by being in society you get angry. I already ad…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 05:52 PM
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​ I did not consent on having my money stolen If when you got a job you knew you'd be taxed you consented. You money is not stolen if you consent and then benefit from stuff paid for by taxes....like roads and police. And if you ever become disabled good thing my taxes will help support your existence. from me but you imply that I consent by living in society You consent by getting a job you know will require you to pay taxes. YET when it's implied to women you just go "nonono not like this". We…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 04:11 PM
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First, women pay taxes and build society. Second, to consent to being abused the same way you consent to taxes would be to get into a relationship where you know you will be abused and agree to being abused, which is not what happens and at that point not abuse, but some kind of kink/BDSM thing. So no, it's not like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 03:23 PM
1

Half? That's a very made up number. It's actually worse than that, in Canada men are more than half of all domestic abuse victims and men are more likely than women to be victim of the most controlling and severe forms of abuse. Despite that, there are hundreds of women-only shelters across the country, and only 2 specifically for men, and neither of those receive any government funding. If you don't believe me, you can thank the feminists who started the Duluth model, and extremely sexist and b…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 06:33 AM
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​ Vocalizing support on the one hand, while perpetuating the myth that men aren't half the domestic abuse victims and half the rape victims on the other hand, means diddly squat. Half? That's a very made up number. Except for the tons of feminists who have deliberately and specifically set up systems to erase male victims and deny them support. I'm not kidding, whenever I talk about men's issues and men being half of rape victims and half of domestic abuse victims, the more one is a feminist the…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 05:52 AM
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He has his shit together as far as work, but coming home to an empty house after being used to two kids and a wife is taking an emotional toll, and he's never been good at dealing with negative emotions. It's ok though, because he eventually meets Laura, who isn't exactly a looker, but she drinks beer and used to go hunting with her dad, and Simon appreciates the home cooked meals, even if it is tater-tot casserole twice a week. She helps him get 50/50 custody of the kids. They listen to Joe Rog…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 03:15 AM
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Nah, she was just in a "done with men" phase, but ended up dating men again after.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 03:07 AM
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Don't worry, Andrea and her boss won't last.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 03:03 AM
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Andrea settled for the cute, simple, "good" guy because she wanted kids and couldn't get the men that she wanted earlier in life. Simon was too dumb to figure out she was settling and fell in love. It's been 5 years, they have two kids, and Simon isn't gonna fight for custody in the divorce. Andrea is currently dating her boss, who is a woman. Simon is single. Andrea has started to cope with the divorce by overeating. Simon is developing a drinking problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 02:58 AM
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You do consent to paying taxes. You consented when you chose to get a job. You consent when you chose to continue living in a society and driving on the roads taxes pay for, going to the school taxes pay for, etc. No one is stopping you from quitting your job and living in the wilderness or joining a commune or living in a cave or on the street, whatever you want to do. But, you consent to taxes when you choose to live in a society and work a job that you know ahead of time will result in you pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 01:46 AM
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You: men don't only think about one thing. Stop with these generalizations! Also you: women only talk about one thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/23 01:35 AM
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If those men continue to pursue said woman, she will likely relent and find it romantic. If in-league guy does it it will likely be creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 11:48 PM
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Friend, I think you're still struggling with the fact that feminism is for women, not men. It's not a men's issues movement, and you should stop expecting it to be one. What you call "lip service" is people vocalizing their support. You're not going to get more because it's a movement for women. It's up to men to raise awareness for men's issues and work on men's issues, and many women, feminists and otherwise will happily support your causes. If men need more domestic violence shelters etc., th…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 09:42 PM
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There aren't enough wealthy men for all the women, friend. And I'm certainly not up to a wealthy man's standards so it's not an option. But I have no issue with working for money.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 09:38 PM
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I second this. Those men are not interested in average women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 08:41 PM
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how does a regular women because high status without hypergamy. Get rich
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 08:39 PM
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So when men go through divorce and have directly experienced courts being biased against them, that is not a lived experience? It would be if it were true. Men just don't ask for custody as much. https://www.dadsdivorcelaw.com/blog/fathers-and-mothers-child-custody-myths#:~:text=Myth%3A%20Fathers%20Almost%20Never%20Get%20Custody&text=However%2C%20studies%20indicate%20that%20dads,asked%20for%20in%20that%20regard. ​ I agree, it's just frustrating to hear that feminism fights for gender equality, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 06:19 PM
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A feminist woman can do the traditional thing. These two things aren't contradictory. Feminism is about giving women choice not forcing women into a box. If a feminist wants to be a sahm, great! If a feminist wants to be a career woman, great!
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 08:17 PM
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Look, I don't wanna be harsh, but you can choose to present yourself in a less sexual way if it's truly causing you distress. One can look attractive without looking sexual. If conversations on dates are always turning sexual, it's the men you're picking to go on dates with. If you truly think you'd be better off as a 7/10, you can get there with casual clothes and less makeup, which it sounds like you're gonna be doing. But I promise you you it's not about being a 9/10, it's about the fact that…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 03:46 AM
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The dealing with other peoples safety adds like 60% more effort for work. That's a very made up number. Do you genuinely think a mom or dad caring for (let's say) 4 kids under 5 + housework all day isn't doing labor? If you do it well, you're gonna be just as tired/drained as someone coming back from the office after 9 hours. You compared childcare to "taking a shower and cooking your own meals" I compared having to be a partner to having to do literally every other basic functioning adult level…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 09:12 PM
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Sure, that's true. But the actual work is the same. Cooking, laundry, teaching them, taking them to all their activities, cleaning, making sure you're meeting all of their emotional needs so they don't grow up being assholes, etc. The more kids you have the harder it gets. You're running around all day, lifting, breastfeeding, bending... Moms with 3+ young kids are exhausted for a reason. It's very physical. You compared childcare to "taking a shower and cooking your own meals" which sounds like…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 07:05 PM
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Being a "do everything nanny" is not the same as being a parent... How is it different?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 01:25 PM
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We aren't really all equal adults past 18, and 18 year olds should not be able to do a lot of what they can do now, like take on 100k of debt, do porn, or join the military, but that's kinda off topic. 18 is a high school senior. 25 yr old+ adults will have little to nothing in common with teenagers. Different maturity levels, different life stages, etc. There are exceptions to every rule....but generally it's the same reason most 18 year olds aren't bffs with 12 year olds.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 03:21 AM
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Not really, I'm going say most nanny's don't do the house work and just look after the kids (or at least the ones I have seen). That's babysitting. As a nanny you have to do housework. You can't expect parents to come home to dirty dishes, food on the floor, and a trash can of dirty diapers. You may have had pretty laid back office jobs. Some are way more difficult with work hours, mentally taxing, or just the high skill required. Sure, so is childcare. Regardless...is a relaxed office job not w…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 02:57 AM
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Great! Cause nannying is much harder than any office job I've had, and you clearly know all about that :)
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 02:28 AM
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No I'm not, I'm just oh so very tired of the argument that "child care >= physical labor". Idk, as a former nanny I'd love to see you do that job and not call it labor.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 08:34 PM
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Most homeless people are men. They aren't homeless cause they got divorced... That being said, homeless people are a much smaller % off the population than people in poverty.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 08:32 PM
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You noticed that most women worked for most of history not only in the first industrial revolution... but never really worked close to their male counterparts ever. Or even close to it. Most of womens work were either seasonal, low hours (like waking up people inthe mornings) or sinple housework. The only women who never really worked were rich women. And the only real women who ever worked like men were widows Proof? Because this isn't true at all. Women, like men worked 7 days a week on farms,…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 03:43 PM
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The point is needing less of something doesn't make it less important
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 03:01 PM
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You know what I mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 02:59 PM
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The most valuable asset a man has is his beauty and confidence. You can want a wealthy man all you want, but when that really hot guy is interested logic goes out the window and hormones will make you literally move into his van because all you need is love. Now if he has all three...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 08:03 AM
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Why does that make them less important? We need fewer presidents than used car salesmen, does that make the salesmen more important?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 06:16 AM
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Equally important
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 05:39 AM
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Ok, so sounds like men are important
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 05:16 AM
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Not that close
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 05:05 AM
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Right. No issue with everyone in a society being a close relative.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 04:14 AM
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No we don't. If you don't have men you don't have children.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 03:32 AM
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But because they do not want to work. This is such bull. First, women worked. Women have worked for most of history. Raising kids is work. So was running a household back in the day. But besides that your average peasant woman worked on farms and in factories for most of history. Plus they were barred from politics/higher education and any desirable job so we have no idea how many more women would have worked. Now, most people in general don't wanna work. We do it out of necessity. How many men …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 03:23 AM
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But when we are talking who did it on a larger scale, you know the fuckin answer Men physically built buildings/roads and things. Women did other things while men were building, like keeping the future generations alive. But it's a pretty even split when it comes to building "society" due to the fact that for society to exist children need to be born and raised and households need to exist to support those children's upbringing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 03:15 AM
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I'm pretty sure you need both men and women for society.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 03:12 AM
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Well those are two very feminine faces hence why it works better on a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 03:11 AM
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Ok so you're saying guys are well aware that women like good looking men? Then what are you arguing about with me? Because in the comment you responded to all I said is that it's obvious that women like good looking men. You seem to agree with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 10:08 PM
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How is that a strawman? You're claiming before the red pill you/men didn't know women liked good looking guys...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 10:00 PM
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Right. So you do things just in case.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 09:25 PM
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How would a woman know who is good and who is bad when she's out at night?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 09:02 PM
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"catcalling." The thing is, catcalling is not just compliments. It's shouting at them on the street, it's often done to purposefully make women uncomfortable, and it can and does often get scary. Look, when I've gone into the city alone I've been followed by men multiple times while being "catcalled" which has often been aggressive slurs. I'm 5'2.'' It's scary. I know being the size that I am there's nothing I could physically do to stop any man. I've been followed to my car three times at night…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 06:19 PM
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loads of men were told "no she doesnt likes the fact he is handsome, he likes him because he is nice, No, they weren't. Maybe someone's mom or dad said that. But society makes it very clear women like good looking men. It's not "men's" fault for not figuring out women like handsome men. It's your fault. Most men know. It's common knowledge. Haven't you ever noticed that leading men in romantic movies are always hot? Haven't you heard girls talking about cute guys? Haven't you seen which guys at …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 03:28 PM
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No, it's not the same thing. Men or women being abused are victims because the person abusing them is....abusing them. Because of course, domestic violence is one sided and comes out of nowhere. We know that this is not true. Did you not see what I wrote about personal responsibility? Women aren't actively doing anything to cause certain men to have poor social skills. Yes. It is called false accusation of sexual harassment, lynch mob a la "Are we dating the same guy" facebook groups where there…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 07:12 AM
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Whenever women ask me why I don’t have a girlfriend and I answer “probably due to me being short with a subpar face”, they get angry and dismissive. I mean that is a socially awkward thing to say to a bad question. That's on both of ya'll. So that’s where them being at fault comes from. They are never like “silly me, it is obvious from grade 6 guys like you will struggle” Why would they say that? That's just rude and super awkward. This isn't a socially acceptable way of communicating. That bein…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 07:02 AM
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It's like women complaining about domestic violence then. Since she chose her man, any abuse she receives is her issue and if she blames the man for kicking her ass, it's toxic and self victimization because it's not the man's problem, but the woman's since she chose him and chose to stay. No, it's not the same thing. Men or women being abused are victims because the person abusing them is....abusing them. That being said, there's nothing wrong with victims taking personal responsibility. They a…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 02:41 AM
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Physical looks arent implied in any way, what in those statements implies it? They aren't implied in the statements, it's implied that we're all aware women like attractive people. A lot of people deduce that by a very young age. For whatever reason, men that are into the red pill never figured it out. Which is fine. But most men know women like good looking men. It's in the media, it happens in real life, etc. Nothing, women havent been conditioned to do jack shit, that is just a silly excuse, …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 02:02 AM
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usually when men ask questions about it, disingenous people like you tell him "well it is because the guy is really hard working" or "it is because the guy is a good boyfriend", I will/do happily admit that appearance is the most important factor when it comes to dating success for men. he few time ive seen someone pointing out that it is about looks he "because it mostly have been men" he inmediatly gets shut down for implying women are shallow, ridiculous dishonest people is everything you all…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 01:27 AM
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I have lots of empathy for men and a lot of it came from PPD, and I do wish men had more empathy for very valid dating struggles. I don't have empathy for the red pill if that makes sense, but I have empathy for the struggles men have and for the extreme loneliness a lot of them have to deal with. I also hate the normalization of hating on men/demonizing men as a whole and hope that as more men speak out. Hopefully we'll look back at the "I hate men" things the way we look back at offensive twee…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 01:21 AM
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I understand it's surprising how blunt it needs to be for guys like me to understand it, but for us to truly benefit it needs to be that way. Not at all. There are plenty of men and women that struggle "reading between the lines" when it comes to a myriad of dating and social skills. But those people usually possess the very critical skills that you've demonstrated and are able to identify the issues within the way red-pill frames it's advice. They want to be mad at women, and they won't listen …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 10:19 PM
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That's fine, but the issue is this myth spread around the manosphere that this misunderstanding is common and women's fault, instead of the outcome of some men struggling with certain social/observational skills. As a woman I've never gotten dating advice from a man—and I when I have dating issues I realize it would be wrong for me to go around saying "well men didn't tell me xyz!" and then jump on some man-hating website that tells me men are all aggressive assholes that only want hot 18-year-o…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 09:47 PM
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Most men don't need anyone to tell them women like attractive men. They can look around and see it happening starting in grade 6.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 09:23 PM
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No sane woman will wait decades for Chris Hemsworth to ask her out. So you're saying if I wait decades there's a chance?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/23 09:22 PM
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But again, to each their own. And this is exactly my point, and exactly what Eastern European society does not promote.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 11:43 PM
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normal. That's why women had to be forced into being housewives and barred from higher education and careers forcefully. Cause it's so normal and natural for them. Just how it's so normal and natural for men to be aggressive maniacs that they have to be drafted to fight in wars. Just because something was normal doesn't mean it was good.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 10:52 PM
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They aren't. What is viewed with hate is those dynamics being forced on people or expected of people....and massive amount of social pressure to meet traditional gender norms counts. I'm from Eastern Europe too. You say "no one is forced," but the pressure is massive. The traditional roles aren't bad...but pressuring people into them is. Just because men are stronger doesn't mean it makes more sense of men to carry grocery bags. Lifting heavy things is good for women. Weight bearing exercise is …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 10:48 PM
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I wonder, though, what is the motivation for looking conventionally attractive? For yourself. It feels good to like how you look. And people treat you better when you look nice. And just because someone likes trendy things doesn't mean they're doing it for any reason other than that's what they like to look like.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 03:40 PM
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You're so close to realizing that the problem is our (and your) idea of what feminine and masculine actually are vs what society wants them to be. It's not that men are being "feminine," it's that we've labelled a common set of behaviors feminine despite the fact that men do them just as much as women. If being emotional, sensitive and occasionally irrational isn't masculine...then being masculine has very little to do with being a human male.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 07:11 AM
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I never said anything to the contrary.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 12:15 AM
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The shame you'd feel comes from you loving your child, not from other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 12:14 AM
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Men who don't care about their children absolutely deserve to be shamed, Do they deserve it? Sure. Will shaming change them? Nope. Will someone that was somehow shamed into parenting be a good parent? Absolutely not.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 11:55 PM
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Everyone else that shame and criticism worked on successfully avoided being deadbeats or fucking men that are deadbeats. Shame and criticism isn't why they aren't deadbeats. Most people that aren't deadbeats aren't because they love and care about their children, not because they were shamed into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 11:46 PM
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They lack the capacity to have cognitive or emotional empathy for their children and others.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 11:09 PM
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No, any 50 year old man, given a high chance of creating a single mother via his own death. Al Pacino comes to mind. His girlfriend is gonna be a single mom by choice in about 3-5 years. For the other points, see OP's point 5. Parents with mental illness can cause that, parents with a criminal background, parents ever involved with CPS, men with disabilities that shorten their lifespan would also have to be forbidden from having a child...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 10:59 PM
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Disabled people? Parents with diagnosed mental illness? Men over 50?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 10:51 PM
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I didn't say either party should garner more or less sympathy. We should have sympathy for everyone whose lives were unfortunate enough to lead them to being single parents or to make it so they lack the capacity to care about their offspring. No one chooses to be a crappy person. It's a product of environment or untreated mental issues. Society fails people, and then we blame them for it once they turn 18 and struggle.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 10:41 PM
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Shaming and criticizing groups of people has never worked and will never work. Instead, people should focus on discussing what we can do to prevent these situations, like making sure young men and women have good mental health support and strong communities, voting to improve sex-ed, making sure abortion is accessible, including family-planning in school curriculums in more vulnerable areas, etc. I've also worked in family courts and the root issue is often some combination of poverty and childh…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 08:37 PM
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What about a single gay man having a child? Shall that also be illegal?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 06:56 PM
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I don't agree at all. I think the roles we force people in come less from nature/what is natural, and more from trying to fit into what the opposite sex finds desirable—which is a highly exaggerated and restricted version of what is natural. I think biologically women are more "feminine" than men on average, meaning less aggressive, more nurturing, and more interested in people over objects, more emotional due to monthly hormonal swings, but the difference between the two sexes is much smaller t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 04:46 PM
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Femininity is simply the opposite of masculinity, they complement each other and complete each other. You're assuming being born with a vagina makes you naturally "feminine." Or being born with a penis makes you naturally "masculine." It doesn't. Pressuring men and women to play pretend sucks for everyone. There are less feminine women in the west because there's more freedom to be your authentic self, and a lot of women just aren't that feminine. Some are. Both are ways of being are fine. I'm f…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 03:38 PM
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Your quote is by an 87 year old lady. Times have changed. More women graduate than men now, and we go to class in sweatpants. "Most women" don't see "men as machines that provide." Most women work. On top of that, nothing about being a stay at home parent means you don't appreciate or love your partner. And at the end of the day all humans value each other for what they can provide not for "who they are." We all do it. Weather it's money, security, emotional support, fun, sex, humor, no one valu…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 03:28 PM
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They usually don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 05:49 AM
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I think that's a good time to remember two things can be true at once.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 04:18 AM
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I like to say "good guys"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/23 04:16 AM
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I think they would
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 08:39 PM
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Well they would so....
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 07:40 PM
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They would if it was socially acceptable. Instead they take a picture with hat and sunglasses in truck.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 07:08 PM
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So I should just take your word for it? As much as we should take women's word for it on their lived experiences, yes. This isn't a lived experience. You're saying this is a widespread thing that leads fathers to not pursue custody. One person's experience doesn't represent everyone else's, women or men. Funny, feminism seems to be either about women's issues, for gender equality, or that feminism fights for men's issues too, depending on which one is most convenient for that specific issue. Fem…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 05:37 AM
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The fathers who literally said they were discouraged from it by their lawyers. It's not like records are kept of this. So I should just take your word for it? Completely agree that 50/50 would be great. Feminists wouldn't fight for that because it's not like it has anything to do with gender equality, right? Feminism is about working on women's issues. So yeah, feminism fights for stuff, but they treat equality like it's a one-way street exclusively to the benefit of women. It's feminism. It's a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 02:28 AM
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And left unstated is that often lawyers are the ones discouraging fathers from asking. Proof? 50/50 default sounds great to me. Idk why feminists would fight for that, it has nothing to do with women's rights or feminism. Sounds like men should fight for it. Or women. But it's got nothing to do with feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 01:35 AM
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No, fathers don't ask for custody. That's the real issue. https://www.dadsdivorcelaw.com/blog/fathers-and-mothers-child-custody-myths#:~:text=Myth%3A%20Fathers%20Almost%20Never%20Get%20Custody&text=However%2C%20studies%20indicate%20that%20dads,pushed%20aggressively%20to%20win%20it. If the mother wants to fight it, they both have to get a lawyer and both have to pay for a lawyer. Pretty rare that wives are significantly richer than husbands.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 12:52 AM
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I think they don't get it because they weren't creeped on by old men starting at age 12. They think it's all jealousy instead of genuine protectiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/23 12:15 AM
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I didn't see that. The thread I read was about the baby. I do think its gross that they're dating, but any gold-digger with grandma/grandpa is gross to me. Not predatory, just bleh. Icky. But they're all consenting adults, so have at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 10:50 PM
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No, they were calling him gross for having a baby at 83 yrs old. They're both gross for doing that imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 10:43 PM
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Attraction like you described is hormone fueled infatuation and always fades when the hormones calm down. It's gonna be tough to wanna stay together if you're not friends or comfortable with each other once the honeymoon phase ends.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 10:39 PM
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as an answer is already a given. This. A lot of men don't grasp this on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 09:23 PM
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Again, I ask you, why is it that women don't have the same visceral reaction for the other power dynamics? You'd have to ask them. Women on r/popculturechat were pretty mad at the Aaron Tayor Johnson thing. His wife was his boss, them started dating when he was 19 and she was 42. They called her a predator. I highly doubt that you yourself are interjecting yourself into conversations with the same force when they revolve around other "dynamics" that can create just as many issues, yet you felt c…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 08:24 PM
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The older women that don't care (the majority) aren't talking about it at all, thus making it seem like women care way more than they do. Most people feel like when he dates under 20 it's too young, myself included, but when they're early 20s I don't have an issue with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 08:18 PM
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​ You saw the age disparity and said "I bet this is going to end badly" and it did. Yep. I also look at same age couple and think "I bet this will end badly" for a variety of reasons, like when one person is waaay hotter than the other or one of them is an asshole. You see two people who are "just perfect for each other" and then when their shit ends badly, you chalk it up to them merely being "incompatible" I never think people are just perfect for each other. Incompatible for x reason...like a…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 08:13 PM
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​ Can you please then explain to me why women never seem to have a problem with any of these other "power dynamics" and "imbalances"? They aren't always bad, but when they are I certainly feel concerned. Had an early 20's guy friend dating this single mother in her 40's. We were all concerned and it ended badly for him. She was extremely controlling. He's engaged to a girl close to his age now and they seem really good. Because as we all know, nothing gets women's anger raging more than the age …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 08:00 PM
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"An older man dating a younger woman is likely to involve issues with power dynamics?" That's literally the definition of prejudicial. It's also utterly trite and irrelevant. It's factual and relevant to this discussion. Facts not feelings, friend. A hot woman dating a mid guy will have "issues with power dynamics" because the hot woman will have 100x more options and simps competing for her attention at every turn while the guy will be holding on for dear life lest he have to endure another 18 …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 07:41 PM
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We can do this all day. The bottom line is your statement is prejudicial and judgmental Karenism. Own it. How so? And I think you need to realize differences in power dynamics and something being predatory are not the same thing. That doesn't mean different power dynamics isn't real, or different maturity levels isn't real. These are real issues people in relationships deal with and perhaps you'll understand better when you have more relationship experience yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 07:07 PM
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Where though? I'm sure you can find crazy people saying anything on the internet, but the majority of women are absolutely not. 21 year olds are more vulnerable, and it's not gendered. If a 35 year old man dates a 21 year old man there's likely gonna be issues with power dynamics and different maturity levels, but normal people aren't calling that being a predator. If a 35 year old man is pursuing high school seniors and college freshmen men....that's predatory because those dudes, like those la…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 06:31 PM
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If they are, it's a very small minority of women that are wrong. Most women are absolutely not.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 06:28 PM
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Well OP is talking about men that are being called predators by women.....so we kinda are. Women aren't calling 45 year old men predators for dating 25 year olds, they're calling 45 year olds predators for dating 18-year-olds, which happens quite a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 05:20 PM
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Well you can rest easy now knowing I wasn't talking about all men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 04:46 PM
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Where did I say all older men are predators?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 02:59 AM
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Well they were a person that existed and presumably didn't want to be murdered when they were alive. A child that didn't exist is nothing. It has no feelings, wants or desires. It has no consciousness. It isn't. You're personifying nothingness.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/23 01:16 AM
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Who are you to decide what’s best for someone? Well anyone can have an opinion on what's best. I'm not virtue signaling, I'm sharing my argument and opinion with you. You can say I'm virtue signaling all day, but I'm still waiting for that counter-argument on why it's in the best interest of a high-school senior to be with you, a 42 year old man. But of course you're gonna disagree with me, which is again, why we warn young women. Because you're not gonna stop no matter what anyone says.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 08:53 PM
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Friend, we've been over this. Just because you want to be with an 18 year old doesn't mean it's best for the 18-year-olds. I think we can conclude this with you really don't care what's best for the teenager—which brings me to my original point of why we warn young women about older men. Usually, they're out to use you to satisfy their own needs, and they don't care about whats actually best for you. They wouldn't date you if they did.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 08:24 PM
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If she chooses me over men her own age, then she can make her own decisions. She can, but 18 year olds are notorious for making bad decisions. Her choosing you doesn't make it a good decision in her best interest. We've been 18. We know how that goes. Most 18 year olds are going to choose guys near their own age, not me. True. Let’s change her age to 20-32 because that’s a more realistic age range that I’m more interested in for long term and to build a life and family together with So are you w…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 08:11 PM
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Looking out for her? Why is nobody looking out for me? Do you need looking after? You're a 42 year old man in good physical condition and with a job. What do you need help with? Why are women always some kind of helpless victim? Women aren't. But we can look out for people even if they aren't helpless victims. I’m propagating my families genetic line. That’s literally what life is designed to do: reproduce. As I've said, I get why you want a younger woman. It's not in her best interest, but I un…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 07:52 PM
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You’re once again describing a very narrow view of reality. I don't think I've got the narrow view here. The guy her age could be carrying genetic diseases or die unexpectedly. Too low of a chance of that happening to be significant. And because you could too, kinda cancels out. An older man could outlive his younger wife. Extremely low chance of that happening with a 24 year age gap, so not a factor. Life is unpredictable and you’re thinking inside the box No I'm not. I'm being realistic and lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 07:28 PM
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None of these are reasons for why it's in her best interest for her to be with you over someone younger. "She's attracted to me in the moment" means nothing. Just because a high school senior is attracted to the married drug dealer and he's "like totally her soulmate" doesn't mean dating him is in her best interest. You can't go into this assuming all the other "options" are worse than you because they aren't. Sure, in a world where all men but you are missing all their limbs and covered in scal…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 06:54 PM
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I get that you're fine with dating an 18-year old. But you told me I was wrong for saying dating you, a 45 year old, at 18 is not in her best interest. So tell me why that is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 06:25 PM
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Why are you better for an 18-year-old than a nice man closer to her age?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 05:50 PM
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Those fathers could get 50/50 is they wanted it. Courts don't deny people 50/50 custody for no reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 05:42 PM
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I absolutely value who she is as a person. Then you wouldn't date an 18 year old because you'd know that's not best for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 05:28 PM
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Two adults have an urge to reproduce, the likelihood of the child being born with a developmental disorder is increased, should the parents have the child? Depends on how high the likelihood is. I don't know the statistics. According to the above post, the answer is no. So do you object to women over 40 having children? Should men actively avoid having children with older women since the risk of a developmental disorder necessarily is not in the best interest of the child? If the risk is quite l…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 05:09 PM
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It's pretty obviously meant to be light hearted, and I think you know that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 05:07 PM
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So when the US started bombing and droning Afghanistan/Iraq for ~20 years, should all parents have ceased trying to conceive? Or is that not a high enough chance of dying (note that ~2% of the Iraqi civilian pop died in that war)? If people were living in an area with a high chance of dying they should not have been trying to conceive, no. If they live in a part of the country where they do not have a high chance of dying and there is not significant conflict, then go for it. It's what is in the…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 04:46 PM
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I don't think I made blanket statements.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 04:40 PM
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Pacino has 5-20 years left to live, but at most 5-ish years of being physically and mentally capable of being a parent. The child will have no father for most/all of it's life. If you're living in a war zone and have a high chance of dying then it is 100% selfish to bring a child into that. The mother and/or father could die. Other family members could die. The child could die. The child might be faced with unimaginable trauma. No, I don't think it's a good idea to choose to have a child in a wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 03:50 PM
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​ I notice you replaced "older man" with "predatory man." Not all older men are predatory, and many younger men are so I figured it made more sense. How can you tell the difference between an older man who is genuinely interested in a younger woman (and the feeling is mutual) versus a groomer/predator? It's gonna depend on a lot of factors and on each individual case. How much older is he, how did they meet, why does he want to be with her, why does she want to be with him, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 03:43 PM
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It is neither ok nor not ok for them because they don't exist. You keep talking about nothingness as if it has feelings and it doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 03:39 PM
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Everyone is deserving of protection. There are lots of groups deserving of protection that I don't or can't personally protect, and this is true for everyone. I would 100% advise a young man against dating a gold digger the same way I'd advice a young woman against dating a predatory man.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 03:33 PM
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Should people with disabilities or conditions that shorten their life expectancy be allowed to have kids? How about people engaged in risky jobs where they can die? Should be wrong for soldiers to have kids if they might see active combat and die? Everyone should be allowed to have kids, but that doesn't always make it the right thing to do. Each of these scenarios would need to be judged on an individual basis.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 03:32 PM
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It's still an irresponsible and selfish thing to do. Just because it could be worse doesn't make it ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 05:51 AM
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If he had had another child decades earlier, it would not have been the same person. That's ok!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 05:47 AM
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I agree there are all kinds of people in the world, but you've made it clear what you're interested in. You've said you don't value having things in common, and your primary interest is an attractive young woman that will have children. You've not mentioned being interested in who the woman is as a person, her beliefs, interests, opinions, etc. I stand by the fact that she will be better off with someone close to her own age, and someone who will have common interests with her and value her for …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 05:17 AM
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An 18 year old woman can give me her best years, provide me with a large family, and also has much less baggage from prior relationships. I understand why you'd want an 18 year old. It's just not in her best interest to be with someone like you. You'll be very old when she's still quite young. You won't have anything in common with a high school senior. You care more about her youth, appearance and fertility than who she is as a person. You won't be able to have an equal relationship. You won't …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 05:03 AM
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Yes I’d also date a 45 year old woman See that's not the part that's problematic.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 04:55 AM
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Why couldn’t a 42 year old have similar interest as a 25 year old? He could. That's why I said there can be (and there are) genuine age-gap relationships. As a matter of fact I do have a lot in common with 25 year old women, especially those into fitness Thats great! I think at 25 pretty much all people have the experience and wisdom to make informed decisions regarding relationships. But you did list 18 as an age you'd date, which would be a high school senior.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 04:42 AM
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I think anyone would, but that doesn't negate the fact that having a child with 5-10 years of life left is not in the best interest of the child.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 04:40 AM
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Both can be bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 04:39 AM
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Thats not what having things in common means. It means shared beliefs, opinions, or interests. Being physically into each other isn't "having things in common." That's why people say "he/she is hot, but we have nothing in common" or "the sex is good, but we have nothing in common."
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 04:26 AM
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Some very common needs for women: an emotional connection and having things in common.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 04:14 AM
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Right. It would be nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 04:14 AM
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No, the child is upset their dad died or that they didn't get to have a dad that was there for them growing up cause you know...he's gonna be 90-something when the kid is in middle school.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 04:13 AM
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And having things in common isn’t important to me. Which is why we caution younger women against dating older men. They want you to meet their own needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 03:48 AM
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Not being born is worse. No it's not. Not being born is nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 03:47 AM
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And this folks, is why older women try to protect younger women from older men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 03:32 AM
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Finding someone young attractive is totally fine. When people take an issue with age gaps it's usually because there are some older people that pursue younger people not just for looks, but because they are easy to control and manipulate. In reality an 18 year old high school senior has little in common with a 40 year old adult. The adult pursuing a relationship with the teen (especially if they regularly pursue relationships with teens) is not likely to be thinking about what is best for the te…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 03:30 AM
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I don't think her age is the problem, it's that he's too old to have a child because he will die soon. He's not gonna be there for his child. Losing a parent is one of the most traumatizing things a child can go through. edit: On top of dying not being able to be a parent due to age-related illness.He's gonna be what, 93 when the kid is 10? For a sub that's very against single mothers this is a weird hill for ya'll to die on.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/23 03:21 AM
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I don't see where OP said they should lower their standards, just that their standards are unrealistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 10:06 PM
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What if someone is not a good partner? Should they be forced to have partners whom they do not like? Or should they be allowed to be single if the people who match their standards reject them? They are allowed to do whatever they want. And that's how it should be. They're usually not self-aware enough to realize they're bad partners, so they'll either settle one day or be single forever. Or in rare cases work on themselves and become good partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 08:58 PM
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So by definition, he's superior to her That's not the definition of superior. He can be masculine, tall, and dominant, and she might be smarter, richer, more nurturing, and prettier. The reality is men and women wanna date someone better than themselves. Men aren't running to date women that are uglier and older than them, and women aren't running to date men that are weaker and more insecure than them. Men and women value different qualities, but they all want someone better than themselves whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 08:21 PM
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Is there any objective way to measure the "quality" of a person? I think so! Someone that doesn't do any of the "bad" things (cheat, lie, manipulate, abuse, etc). Someone emotionally mature (has average or above average levels of empathy and self-awareness). A good communicator (calm discussions over yelling and name-calling. Walks away from toxic situations.) Takes care of themselves (mental health and physical health so they can be around for their partner/family physically and emotionally). S…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 08:09 PM
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The average man has not been rejected all of the time, We're talking cold approaching, so yes he has. That's what your OP is all about. Didn't even need to approach, I was attacked for being known to be into women. So, like I said, you've never been attacked for cold approaching a woman. Because that's not a thing. Save for very rare outliers that most people never experience, women don't attack women for hitting on them. In fact women will be very cruel to men cold approaching and significantly…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 05:49 PM
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Of course it's true. The vast majority of women aren't into women full stop never mind being their type. Your average man will often face rejection rates of 100%, and women are more mean when rejecting men than women. Homophobic attacks are still a worry, you're talking to someone who has, like most, been a victim. A woman you randomly approached attacked you?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 01:03 PM
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They're less likely to be rejected Not true. and don't have to worry about homophobic attacks Not a real worry for western women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 12:56 PM
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The thing is....if I knew he was masking all the time around me I wouldn't want to be with him. I know it sucks to mask all the time, isn't realistic, and the relationship isn't genuine. I'd have to judge ND guy's authentic personality to decide if I wanted to date him not his masking personality, if that makes sense. I'd look for things like cognitive and emotional empathy, emotional control, and self-awareness, and I know some of these things are a struggle for some ND people likely making me …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 05:45 AM
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A woman approaching women is not the same as a man approaching women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 05:40 AM
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You must be British
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 04:28 AM
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He's french. That adds 10 points to looks and wealth.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 03:28 AM
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I've fucked one dude and we're still together. ​ It just means now we have two reasons not to respect men. Hmm.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 02:48 AM
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Look, I don't know a single woman out of college engaging in regular casual sex. I'm sure it happens plenty, but it's really not that common. Casual sex dwindles off once people are past 25.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 11:58 PM
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most No they aren't. Over 50% of women aged 18-80 are not regularly engaging in casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 11:07 PM
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If people laid an unwanted egg....would they just omelette it?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 11:05 PM
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Friend, if you think beating children doesn't cause mental illness you're wrong. It's all just as prevalent in eastern europe. Except instead of taking meds you drink, cry, then beat your wife or your kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 08:07 PM
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Apparently I'm meant to approach, but act super tactful in the following conversation, but then when we get to sex I'm meant to rip her clothes off and pound her into eternity whilst mimicking the kind of violent pornified sex that would make a James Deen blush. You know, this is 100% accurate to what we want as women and happens to describe 99% of male love interests in romance novels. That being said, I don't think wanting this is traditionalist, but expecting it is. Breaking from traditionali…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 07:14 PM
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Also if you are small just grow up I've been waiting for that second growth spurt since 7th grade.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 06:13 PM
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I'm not sure there are many men that are my size. Certainly not many on any dating app. That being said, a man my height will easily overpower me. I'm not sure there are many men my height and weight....apart from children.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 05:43 PM
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The same crazy can manifest itself in different ways as dictated by culture. Sure. If eastern european crazy is your brand of crazy, great.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 05:20 PM
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I see no facts or evidence. Not even defined terms. What does the author define femininity as? What does it mean to be "haunted by femininity?" What does the author think it means to be a woman? It's nonsense meant to appeal to emotions, nothing more.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 02:28 PM
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This is stupid. It's literally word-salad nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 09:20 AM
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I don't think women have issues with their own femininity, but with the expectations of what femininity needs to look like. Same can be said about men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 04:30 AM
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That's crazy, because nobody goes overseas looking for basic personality traits. Not once do you hear a guy say something like "I'm going to Russia because the women there are more INTJ." Myers Briggs isn't real. People go overseas for pretty, young, traditional, and submissive. Which is totally fine by me as long as everyone is a consenting adult. Ok, if I'm looking for a certain personality type... I'm going to go overseas to look because the things that go along with that personality type cre…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 04:07 AM
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Or this specific change is happening because women have gained a lot of independence since the 1940s. That would change things.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 03:31 AM
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the narcissistic person will be less insufferable in the latter. If your partner is narcissistic it doesn't matter where they're from.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 03:29 AM
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I think you are just thinking of this in an odd way... like in terms of clinical diagnosis or something. That's not the thing at issue here. Yes it is, because that's what I've been talking about this whole time and you responded to my comment. Yes or No. Does culture impact human behavior? Of course it does. But human behavior is very broad. I'm talking about personality traits not cultural norms.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 02:41 AM
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​ There's a difference between a narcissist woman whose culture taught her that it's a good mindset and a narcissist woman whose culture taught her to keep it under wrap. Keeping it under wrap for appearances doesn't make her less narcissistic and won't make her a better partner. No one can mask 24/7. The people closest to them will suffer. Lots of abusive people keep it behind closed doors. The difference in attitudes can be night and day despite the personalities being the same.... Once you st…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 02:01 AM
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I don't know any other places where that trait is so pronounced. There are other cultural flaws in non-american women. It may not be this specific cultural flaw, but I promise they are there.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 01:49 AM
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Strangely enough though, women from rich countries who aren't poorer than Americans aren't usually as entitled as American women, so there's a real issue about the culture here. In what ways are American women entitled that foreign women aren't?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 01:13 AM
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In the US... our entire culture is narcissistic. We actually take normal kids and turn them into raging narcissists through our cultural carrots and sticks. That's the part you are missing. It affects the boys and the girls here, but in slightly different ways. That's not how narcissism develops. I'm talking about the personality disorder. (I really just used it as an example) But, it begins in childhood as a result of certain types of emotional neglect by parents and/or certain types of trauma.…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/23 12:34 AM
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If I can't beat you at arm wrestling we can't date?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 11:36 PM
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I wish I only knew one woman who had been a victim of male violence. Oh I know many more than one. This was just the incident that put me off hookups.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 11:35 PM
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​ So, to kind of summarize why you are wrong. You think all women are the fucking same regardless of where they grow up. No, I'm saying who people are on the inside is the same. Narcissism, emotional empathy, cognitive empathy, self awareness. I think you're conflating personality with cultural differences. A narcissist from a traditional culture isn't going to be vastly different to be with than a narcissist from a progressive culture when it comes to personality, to how they treat you, how hap…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 10:32 PM
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Anecdotal, but I had a friend in college hook up with a random guy from tinder. He ended up choking her against her wishes and didn't stop for a while after she said no. She cried the next day and never had a one night stand again. That was enough to put me off as well. I know this is a minority of men...but putting yourself in a vulnerable situation with someone/a stranger a million times stronger than you is scary. Even if you've been on a date. All it takes is one bad experience, or sometimes…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 09:07 PM
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I totally agree with you. I just think it's a good reminder that people are people, and a foreign woman with matching values won't necessarily have a higher or lower chance of being a good person/partner. And that the willingness of women from poorer countries to play a role to immigrate makes it tough see through this sometimes and gives men this false idea that foreign women are better in every way and are genuinely more accepting of unattractive qualities. On this sub I hear a lot of foreign …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 08:32 PM
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The war fucked us badly, her parents lived in Dnipro so she raced over there to get them out and it killed what we had. She took us cash to bribe some officials, avoid conscription and have her dad cross the border to Poland but had to stay to pay the bills (his business has been bombed to death, their apt was right by the main ave downtown), after a year apart its sadly over. That's so sad to hear, and sorry that the war ended things for you two. I hope she and her family stay safe.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 08:20 PM
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There's nothing wrong with being with someone from another country. But the way you talk about Ukrainian women isn't realistic. You're right in that obesity is less of an issue there, and beauty standards are more strict. Otherwise, Ukrainian women or any other women abroad are no less likely to be bad people, to be narcissistic, or mean, or good people, kind, or loving etc. When you go abroad to poorer countries you may be getting people in better physical shape, but you have to take into accou…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 07:38 PM
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Body positivity was never about promoting acceptance of "all" bodies. They don't care about burn victim's bodies. They don't care about short bodies. They don't care about male bodies. They don't care about bodies with small penises despite the constant ridicule they have in society with common verbiage describing them in a derogatory manner. Actually, this is exactly what the movement was about at the start. Over time it's become about weight, but it used to be about size, disability, race, men…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 04:09 AM
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Women being famous doesn't mean they're well-adjusted or mentally healthy. Plenty of male and female celebrities that have issues that pair off.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/23 05:52 PM
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Anyone can leave a friendship for any reason. Anyone can do anything they want, including be a horrible person and treat your "friends" like shit. But people that act shitty are gonna get judged. That's called consequences of your shitty actions. If you make freinds with someone and try and put the moves on them get rejected then ghost them....well you're free to do that and you deserve to be judged for it...regardless if you're a man or a woman. Regardless if you're a man doing it to a woman or…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 05:39 PM
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Niceness is unattractive and seen as weak No it's not. Nice does not equal pushover. Nice does not equal clingy. Nice does not equal desperate or doormat. You can be both nice and strong/confident. Being nice isn't unattractive. It's not sexy either. It's a nice quality to have tho. Confidence is attractive. Being nice and confident won't make someone less attractive. Being nice and a desperate pushover will absolutely make someone less attractive. Except its not the niceness that's the problem.…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 07:03 AM
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> An avg looking asshole will beat a good looking nice guy everytime No he won't. An attractive man will always "win." A "nice guy" means a guy that pretends to be nice but isn't. It doesn't literally mean a nice person.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 05:59 AM
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Men do not generally shame women for entering fields that are typically dominated by men, such as stem, sports, combat, gaming, etc. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 12:12 AM
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Is it weird to say I don't care that much about cheating? Humans aren't meant to be monogamous for life. If they fell in love with someone else then I'd leave, but otherwise....depends on the circumstances. A random one night stand....idk if I'd care at all. I'd just hope I don't find out at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 12:10 AM
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Is it good to accept that male humans are biologically inclined to not be monogamous for life? Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 06:34 PM
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that humans are socially very distinct by nature due to sex even though it isn't scientifically proven and most of the hypotheses are already proven to be false Let's see some of this proof
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 06:32 PM
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Not if you pee beforehand (seriously).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 09:25 PM
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People can and do consent to being exploited every day. Doesn't make it anything other than exploitation.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 10:56 PM
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Now I'm imagining you trying to put your books and wallet into a vagina.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 10:12 PM
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The world has too few people. You're kidding, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 09:07 PM
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The act of degrading someone to an object. It is to dehumanize another person.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 07:39 PM
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That's simply not objectification. Anyone saying that is just wrong. You can put all the emphasis you want on looks and not objectify someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 07:17 PM
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the people Yes. I'm actually the representative of women-kind and we have collectively decided to feed all men to the sea gods.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 03:35 PM
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Deep breaths.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 03:21 PM
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but all men are treated like potential predators Well, this is wrong and shouldn't happen, right? Or are you justifying this?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 08:13 AM
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but it also feels good to treat others how they treated you Totally different and unrelated women?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 07:56 AM
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Good people treat everyone with basic respect and decency. Regardless of what anyone looks like. Good, emotionally mature people realize that a woman or man treating them badly doesn't mean other men and women don't deserve basic respect. They treat people well because it makes them feel good to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 07:07 AM
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Not shaming you, we've all been young and said stupid things. But this is a great example of it's not what you say but the way you say things. There's: "I like your looks and I'm not sure what else" And theres: "I think you're gorgeous and I'm excited to keep getting to know you." Her response wasn't good either, but the fact that your words made her feel bad isn't a surprise. I also wouldn't call what she said an "attack" or "shaming" I'd just say she could have handled it better. Obviously, bo…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 03:21 AM
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What exactly did you say?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 02:37 AM
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You could with the right person, especially if you made it funny, or you could share the same preferences tactfully (interest in anime or whatever waifu is).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 01:16 AM
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So you agree it has nothing to do with shaming men. Men just don't want it. Great!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 11:02 PM
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No you wouldn't. Give me an example of how you'd answer that question.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 10:58 PM
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"I want a big titty waifu" is going to be perceived as an incredibly awkward thing to say on a date by 99% of the human population.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 10:44 PM
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You have to take into account that most normal people aren't spending time arguing about gender issues online.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 09:36 PM
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This is true for short-term hormone fueled relationships. Long term, once the honeymoon phase fades, it will be an issue no matter how hot he is.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 08:47 PM
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Hiding your nature is not the same thing as writing an awkward bio that makes it clear that you have the social skills of a carrot.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 08:44 PM
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If it doesn't its cause men don't want it. Why aren't men starting a body positivity movement for themselves if they want it so bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 08:43 PM
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So fairness is impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 07:54 AM
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No, fairness is the opposite. What you're describing is bad luck, not unfairness.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 07:45 AM
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Can you define unfairness for me?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 07:24 AM
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I wouldn't label that fair or unfair. It just is.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 07:22 AM
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What about people that are worse off than you by no fault of their own? Is your happiness unfair?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 06:40 AM
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since when should the happiness of women matter more than the happiness of men? It doesn't. women are not inherently more important and valuable than men Of course not. Not sure how this is relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 06:18 AM
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Can you answer my question? You, a man, are sad, but there are men that are happy. Is that also unfair?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 06:17 AM
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Do you feel that it's unfair that there are men that are happy? Or do you just feel it is unfair when women are happy?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 05:00 AM
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that feels really unfair Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 04:02 AM
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The point is the average looking women with a phd thinks she's more attractive because of that phd No she doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 10:37 PM
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OP is making a moral argument and his evidence doesn't work. My issue is with OPs evidence/argument not conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 04:50 AM
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Anyone can leave anyone for any reason. I've said that from the start. My argument is that OPs evidence/argument is bad since the reason behind why someone is sick or jobless is not considered, so all joblessness and all illness related breakups shouldn't just be lumped together and compared.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 04:28 AM
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I don't see how this goes against anything I've said.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 04:12 AM
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If you want to treat a person leaving their partner because they chooses not to work and a person leaving their partner because they got laid off as the same, then have at it. I think that's stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 03:25 AM
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And some people would stay. It depends on the person.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 03:24 AM
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Anyone can leave for any reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 03:23 AM
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Look at OPs study. It doesn't account for choice. That study is what OP is using for evidence. If more men are choosing not to work than women are sick due to lifestyle choice (or vise versa) this argument falls apart.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 03:10 AM
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With that logic the same could be said with illnesses simply look up STI’s. Correct. Which is why it's important not to lump everything together. Leaving your partner b/c they got an STI vs cancer are two very different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 02:51 AM
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It doesn't specify because the good faith interpretation is that we're comparing like to like. If it's not clearly stated everyone is going to make different interpretations. That's why it's important to state these things.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 02:48 AM
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It's not derailing at all when you look at the op. None of the data or OPs arguments specify how many of these men lost their job due to bad luck and how many chose not to pursue full time work. Same with being sick. If someone treats their body horribly and gets sick as a result that's very different than getting sick due to bad luck. But OP has lumped everything together. The misbalanced data could be explained by looking at the influence of choice. Maybe choice doesn't play a big factor. Eith…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 02:05 AM
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There are two issues with this. One is lots of men would treat a woman well. The second issue is people's actions don't always match their words, and people know this. That being said, dating is superficial, and that's ok. You're not hoping to date women hobgoblin women for a reason. I'm sure you'd like to date a nice, pretty young lady.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 01:33 AM
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that being jobless isn’t a choice It can be. Some people choose to not work. I'm sure you know that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 01:25 AM
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Standards are standards regardless of if it's a choice or not. A lot of people's standards have to do with the choices their partner makes. A lot of people would stay with someone that's jobless/sick by no fault of their own over someone that's jobless/sick due to their own choices. If there's one thing women have made abundantly clear it's that they have standards for a height preference. Unfortunately, most people don't choose to be short. This is just off topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 12:19 AM
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You can't have a good faith conversation about this if we don't talk about the reasons for why someone is sick/unemployed. The reasons are a huge factor in why people leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 12:17 AM
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Because judging people for the choices they make is different from judging people for things they have no control over.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 11:59 PM
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There's a reason I wrote "if"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 10:48 PM
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If being jobless is a choice these aren't equivalents. Being sick isn't a choice. That being said, don't stay in a relationship you don't wanna be in. If you truly love someone, you'll be there for when they're sick and/or lose their job.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 10:31 PM
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And eventually it would get figured out.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 10:33 PM
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The push is to have these folks who refuse to do anything difficult run everything and have all the high prestige jobs... doesn't that seem stupid? Women do lots of difficult work. Just because you don't appreciate nurses, teachers, social workers, childcare, nonprofits....etc., doesn't mean the rest of us are that ignorant. At the end of the day everyone is welcome to choose whatever work they want to do. Doing hard physical labor does not make someone qualified to have a "prestigious job" or t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 10:14 PM
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They have to feel superior somehow....
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 09:51 PM
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Guys, come on. You're being idiots. If, in a magical scenario, men disappeared women would do those jobs. Can we end it here? Just because a group of people chooses not to do something cause it sucks doesn't mean they wouldn't do it out of necessity. How many of ya'll are farmers? How many of ya'll can even keep a houseplant alive? How many of you men have ever grown or invented or built anything? Ohh....you'd do it if you had to? No way. Come on. Edit: To address all the arguments in the commen…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 08:53 PM
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But you're wrong. Girl Michael (Michaela) isn't any guy's preference. Average looking, average build, average personality, bit boring, bit mentally ill. What man dreams of average Michaela? The Michaels of the world dream of Sarah, the sparkly, pretty girl that fits conventional beauty standards. Michaela isn't any man's preference, the same way that Michael is no woman's preference. The reason Michaela is getting dates is because women are more picky and therefore, sadly, Sarah will never go ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 03:09 AM
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So if these women all wanted to date the same type of guy, a guy like Michael they would be more unique? But because they don't want to date Michael they are less unique?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 02:10 AM
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Mary Anderson invented the windshield wiper. She patented it in 1903.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 12:55 AM
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These men are so unique they'd all date the same kind of woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 12:53 AM
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Michael doesn't consider himself a geek and thinks he's unique, as shown by his choice to wear chinos over cargo shorts.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 12:05 AM
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The TRUTH is that they are not anywhere as individualistic as the average man is. -Written by Michael right after he played video games and before he watched anime. Michael has short brown hair and is wearing a t-shirt and jeans and deleted tinder after only matching with bots. He's slightly depressed and his dad never asked him how he's doing are really meant it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 10:43 PM
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I'm not interested at all in bringing down women not like I could if I even cared to. Then why present facts in a way that brings down women? Your comment was supporting the commenter that claimed that men built society...as if women didn't. I'm just frustrated when people don't see an obvious truth. Yes Women invent things too nothing about that contradicts what I'm saying. It's not an obvious truth. It's presenting facts in a way that is biased and attempts to make an entire gender seem like t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 06:08 PM
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Right, but a women's attractiveness is determined based on the attractiveness of other women not other men (mostly). If a woman is average putting her in a room of male models won't make her below average. Putting her in a room of female supermodels would instantly make her attractiveness shoot to the bottom. It is strange, if I think about it, that humans seem to be very gendered when it comes to determining attractiveness. I wonder what the biology behind that is.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 06:28 AM
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If you instantaneously drop from a 7 to a 5, you're going to have a completely different social experience than what you were used to Only if no one else dropped. If everyone dropped 2 points you're having the same experience you've always had. The actual big change that would come from makeup disappearing is women would lose "prettiness mobility," or it would be harder to change your attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 05:55 AM
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Disregard facts like this is what makes people so blind to the metaphysics and ontology of male and female Women were not allowed the same education as men for most of history, which is relevant and rarely mentioned in these discussions. I've noticed that the manosphere uses "men invented everything" as a talking point to bring down women. One can just as easily say rich people invented most things (access to education), europeans and asians invented most things (access to education/information)…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 05:31 AM
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If it disappeared for all women, people would get used to it and we'd be back to where we are now. Pretty privilege will apply to people that are prettier than average, same as it does now. Average would decrease, but it would still apply just the same way. A big part of how we determine "pretty" is how a person looks compared to those around them. That's why people say things like "'she's a midwest 7 but an LA 4" TLDR: beauty is more relative than objective.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 05:20 AM
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No, they aren't. I do Ok on apps, but the women I meet not-on-dating apps, simply way higher quality in every way. What does this have to do with average women? As the "original" grey market e-commerce international playboy said, the rest is up to you... I don't know what this means.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 08:52 PM
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Average women aren't on Tinder.... Yes they are. The rest is up to you ;) This isn't personal.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 08:29 PM
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Tinder is quite literally real life. It is a tool for getting dates. The average woman can use this tool to set up 10 dates while a man can not. An average woman can also go to a bar and get a handful of dates and numbers while the average man will be lucky to get a couple, if any at all. Apps and OLD has made dating for women easier than men. Saying it's not real life is silly. Of course it's real life. OLD/Apps are a huge and very real part of dating and a huuuuge reason for why getting dates …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 07:46 PM
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How on Earth can it be easier for women to get dates than men? Have you ever tried getting dates on tinder as an average man then as an average woman? An average woman could get 10 dates lined up for next week. An average man could not, no matter how low his standards are.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 06:42 PM
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Nails, hair, skincare, make up - you think any of this is cheap? It is cheap. If it's not cheap for you...that's a result of your own choices. No one cares if your nails are done and polish costs a few bucks a bottle. There's tons of cheap makeup that's perfectly fine. Same with skincare. Hair can be done at home. There is no reason for women to expect men to pay for dates in a world where everyone works. The only scenario this makes sense is for people seeking trad relationships....which is not…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 06:45 AM
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They work the same way as men. Women, like men, want to be with a person they are physically attracted to and whose personality they enjoy. Like men, women like their partner to be attractive. Like men, women are all different when it comes to what personality traits they are drawn to. Most people (men/women) like good social skills and self-confidence. While men on average like feminine women, women on average like masculine men. There are always going to be men and women that are exceptions to…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 11:45 PM
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Are you saying men drop out of society when women outcompete them, but not other men? Because men have been competing for jobs since the beginning of time. Now that women are competing this is bad? Either I'm misunderstanding you or this is some really toxic sexism.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 10:21 PM
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I went to a majority women college. The competition for "chads" was fierce. They 100% were not interested in anyone that wasn't at least a 7. Guys on here totally underestimate how picky "chads" are even for one night stands. I think the guys on here have a skewed woman of what an average young woman is, and call 7's/8's "average," average women below average, and the rest are just kinda invisible.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 08:41 PM
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