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| 21 | Yet More Trash from This PageUsing detailed administrative records, we find that, on average, women receive lighter sentences in comparison with men along both extensive and intensive margins. Using parametric and semiparametric decomposition methods, roughly 30% of the gender differences in incarceration cannot be explained by the observed criminal characteristics of offense and offender. We also find evidence of considerable heterogeneity across judges in their treatment of female and male offenders. There is little evide… | /r/EverydayMisandry | 02/08/26 01:43 AM |
| 18 | This Shit Got 3.4 Million LikesThats our only utility. | /r/EverydayMisandry | 01/08/26 02:53 AM |
| 5 | '[E]xtreme misogynistic views [...] correlates with having many, not few, sexual partners'!Men who have no chance of failing do as well. | /r/BlackPillScience | 31/07/26 08:21 PM |
| 10 | '[E]xtreme misogynistic views [...] correlates with having many, not few, sexual partners'!I saw some tweet that roughly stated “being openly misogynistic and homophobic will get a you a girlfriend more easily than being shy”. | /r/BlackPillScience | 31/07/26 02:47 PM |
| 15 | '[E]xtreme misogynistic views [...] correlates with having many, not few, sexual partners'!One of the weirdest things you realize as a man is that women will legit fuck men they absolutely hate if they just find him hot. | /r/BlackPillScience | 31/07/26 01:11 PM |
| 10 | Study finds no link between male facial attractiveness and actual immune system reactivity. This challenges the notion that male facial attractiveness is an honest signal of superior immune genes or good genetic qualitySo it's just pure sexual selection. | /r/BlackPillScience | 31/07/26 01:09 PM |
| 3 | “Dad Math”Every day I wake up wishing I had been born a woman. I'm so jealous of how much better things turned out for my sisters. It's only getting worse for men too. | /r/EverydayMisandry | 29/07/26 06:05 AM |
| 2 | “Men used to go to war.”The men of Ukraine and Russia were forced to go to war and large numbers of women in those countries fled to get married to men in other countries with 0 intent of ever returning. | /r/EverydayMisandry | 27/07/26 05:10 PM |
| 1 | “Men used to go to war.”It’s about looks. Women simp for hot men the way normal men want to simp for women but aren’t even given a chance to. | /r/EverydayMisandry | 27/07/26 05:06 PM |
| 3 | “Men used to go to war.”Catchy song but weird in terms of content. Modern woke women claim they hate the soul crushing servitude their ancestors were subjected to by the patriarchy, lamenting how awful men were to women as recently as the 50s and 60s. Yet, they want the benevolent sexism of the past? A lot of men never changed their own kids diapers. Yeah, maybe they’d help a strange woman’s whose tire blew out but wife beating was also less taboo. | /r/EverydayMisandry | 27/07/26 05:03 PM |
| 1 | Empirical evidence for AFBB (Ovulatory Shift Hypothesis): Robust Evidence for Moderation of Ovulatory Shifts by Partner Attractiveness in DataIt never even began. | /r/BlackPillScience | 20/07/26 10:54 PM |
| 1 | Study finds strong correlation (r ≈ 0.81) between gender equality and low birth rates: Female emancipation enables hypergamous mating that makes average men obsolete (Larsen et al., 2026)Most communist countries had birth rates at or below replacement levels by the 60s and 70s. They also had really high divorce rates. What kept their populations growing was how difficult legally emigrating was made. The USSR had a TFR of about 2.4 in 1990 but variance was high between republics with places like Russia and Ukraine having super low rates but the less developed Muslim places like Tajikistan being really high. Towards the end they were offering prestigious state prizes to women who … | /r/BlackPillScience | 20/07/26 04:56 PM |
| 1 | "Research consistently finds that different-sex couples in which women have higher socioeconomic status than their partners are more likely to separate."It’s more to try and find her exact match. Women are just more particular and have higher standards. Most guys are kind of boring and ugly to most women. | /r/BlackPillScience | 20/07/26 04:47 PM |
| 2 | Empirical evidence for AFBB (Ovulatory Shift Hypothesis): Robust Evidence for Moderation of Ovulatory Shifts by Partner Attractiveness in DataCan’t have a partner express interest in Chad while she’s fertile if you don’t have a partner to start with. | /r/BlackPillScience | 20/07/26 04:46 PM |
| 14 | "Research consistently finds that different-sex couples in which women have higher socioeconomic status than their partners are more likely to separate."His sexuality is the compensating differential. It's hard to quantify in monetary terms but its obvious whats going on. | /r/BlackPillScience | 16/07/26 12:55 AM |
| 1 | The lack of a brotherhood is inevitable. Your friends will likely betray you for attention from the opposite gender if you are a man.Male-male competition is more high stakes, even if there is no violence involved at all. Men are competing with each other for so many important things as well. Mates, attention, jobs, land, loans, promotions etc. | /r/BlackPillScience | 15/07/26 12:28 PM |
| 2 | Chickens prefer beautiful humans | Human NatureBirdbros . . . not like this. | /r/BlackPillScience | 15/07/26 03:42 AM |
| 10 | Beauty is associated with lower support for redistributionJust world fallacy. | /r/BlackPillScience | 26/05/26 05:31 AM |
| 1 | Wife has moved on-big timeIt’s not an option for this guy. | /r/Divorce_Men | 23/05/26 07:24 PM |
| 8 | Studies find that as many as 15-22% of people in relationships feel indifferent toward their partner (i.e., they don't have strong positive or negative feelings). Indifference is linked to lower relationship wellbeing by contributing to boredom, low intimacy, and a desire to be with others.I think a lot of people would rather be in a relationship than alone, even if the relationship is mid. | /r/BlackPillScience | 26/03/26 03:07 AM |
| 2 | Attractive men fare best in gaining venture capitalIt’s amazing how much we will, as adults, simp for people just because they are good looking. | /r/BlackPillScience | 24/02/26 12:14 AM |
| 38 | Premarital Sex Increases the likelihood of Divorce, those with nine or more Partners Exhibit the Highest Risk of Divorce - (2024)I’ve been told by blue pilled people no such study supports this finding. | /r/BlackPillScience | 24/02/26 12:12 AM |
| 2 | In general, short-term mating was unrelated or even negatively related to reproductive success.It’s good teen pregnancy is down but women over 40 should have had their kids way sooner. | /r/BlackPillScience | 26/01/26 05:20 AM |
| 62 | Why the human penis is unusually large compared to that of other primates is a long-standing evolutionary question. New findings suggest that female choice and male-male competition have jointly favored larger penis size, greater height, and more V-shaped bodies in men.Men are basically a eugenics experiment women have been working on for the last couple hundred thousand years. | /r/BlackPillScience | 23/01/26 02:11 PM |
| 45 | Identical males were rated as significantly more attractive by female participants on a rating scale of 1-10 when placed in a 'high status' (Silver Bentley Continental GT) than a 'neutral status' (Red Ford Fiesta ST) motor-carIMO a lot of male dating strategy (especially for normies) is just tricking women into thinking you are something way better than you are. Men almost always exaggerate their athleticism, how good they are with women, how much they earn, how tall they are, etc. | /r/BlackPillScience | 29/12/25 05:38 AM |
| 75 | Women find other women’s faces even more attractive than men doHomosexual men are the only people who seem genuinely attracted to men. | /r/BlackPillScience | 28/12/25 07:18 AM |
| 119 | Sexlessness is associated with higher IQ, increased educational attainment, lower BMI and lower ADHD ratesSexlessness was more strongly associated with physical characteristics (e.g., upper body strength) in men than in women. Brutal | /r/BlackPillScience | 17/09/25 07:14 AM |
| 8 | "Men are afraid that women will laugh at them , women are afraid that men will kill them"I rarely feel uncomfortable or bored or annoyed by most people men or women. There is something really depressing to know that by virtue of existence most women just see us as dumb, boring, obnoxious, unfunny, etc. It's genuinely strange to know that women have such a strong dislike of men that isn't reciprocated at all. What's odder is that men don't feel this way about other men. I never sit around constantly paranoid about a fight breaking out or an uncomfortable confrontation with other men.… | /r/EverydayMisandry | 05/09/25 06:24 PM |
| 6 | Substantial but Misunderstood Human Sexual Dimorphism Results Mainly From Sexual Selection on Males and Natural Selection on FemalesInteresting point and good observation. | /r/BlackPillScience | 02/09/25 10:17 PM |
| 14 | Women self-report higher orgasm frequency with an attractive male partnerWomen have casual relations (w/ Chad) all the time. | /r/BlackPillScience | 02/09/25 05:40 PM |
| 7 | I hate these dumb little anecdotesHow often does something like this come up in conversation? | /r/MensRights | 24/08/25 09:18 PM |
| 15 | Women feel unsafe when objectified—but may still self-sexualize if the man is attractive or wealthyhttps://www.reddit.com/r/WomenAreNotIntoMen/comments/1mykk2x/men_dont_understand_just_how_much_women_hate/ | /r/BlackPillScience | 24/08/25 03:44 AM |
| 11 | Women feel unsafe when objectified—but may still self-sexualize if the man is attractive or wealthyHigh IQ analysis. | /r/BlackPillScience | 24/08/25 02:50 AM |
| 52 | Women self-report higher orgasm frequency with an attractive male partnerI've seen some truly bizarre copes from women on why they don't orgasm more. It really does just come down to cheap thrills like visual stimuli, cheating, or finally getting the bad boy. It's why after years a lot of marriages go sexless or why women tend to want to turn off the lights more (so they can fantasize about a hotter partner). Men can be very selfish and quick in bed but if he's hot enough the sheer thrill of banging a Chad is enough to get a lot of women off. I've honestly theorized … | /r/BlackPillScience | 16/08/25 02:33 AM |
| 3 | Having ever used a weapon in a fight positively predicts sexual activity amongst males.It may have been a warning of sorts. | /r/BlackPillScience | 01/08/25 02:44 PM |
| 3 | Having ever used a weapon in a fight positively predicts sexual activity amongst males.Thanks! | /r/BlackPillScience | 31/07/25 04:15 PM |
| 11 | Cross-cultural study done across 6 continents reveals that while most women identified as heterosexual (80.4%), most heterosexual women exhibited a gynephilic (65.1%) preference while only a small percentage exhibited an androphilic preference (5.8%) in attraction.It’s ridiculous that a species that reproduces sexually would end up this way. | /r/BlackPillScience | 29/07/25 09:00 PM |
| 7 | Cross-cultural study done across 6 continents reveals that while most women identified as heterosexual (80.4%), most heterosexual women exhibited a gynephilic (65.1%) preference while only a small percentage exhibited an androphilic preference (5.8%) in attraction.In a state of nature most men don’t reproduce as a consequence of male intrasexual competition and female hypergamy. Sometime after the Neolithic revolution societies clearly started implementing arranged and other coercive marriage structures which allowed far more mid and low status males a chance at having a family and offspring. | /r/BlackPillScience | 29/07/25 04:13 PM |
| 123 | 40 % of Asian Women excluded Asian men as potential dates, whereas only 11 % excluded White men .This is pretty consistent with what you see on the streets and other lines of data. Asian men are the least desired. It's pretty awful this comes so severely from Asian women. I do find it interesting that women, who tend to have more progressive (and therefore egalitarian) political views, are more "racist" in their partner preferences than men. I suppose it’s not that surprising given female mating strategy is actually very cutthroat and hierarchical. They're for social democracy in all domain… | /r/BlackPillScience | 24/07/25 03:10 PM |
| 5 | Research finds Tinder increased the incidences of sexual assaults, sexually transmitted diseases (STDs), and inequality in (male) dating outcomes but had little impact on long-term relationships or relationship quality.Or do you think that the dating and sexual dynamics observed within the demographic of frat boys and sorority girls and their partners are sufficiently identical to the dynamics found in any randomly selected pool of people that you can extrapolate psych research findings to the general population? Yes, because as I mention in my post these trends have all been observed by others using different population samples. Everything here is consistent with broader social trends. | /r/BlackPillScience | 08/07/25 01:34 PM |
| 29 | Research finds Tinder increased the incidences of sexual assaults, sexually transmitted diseases (STDs), and inequality in (male) dating outcomes but had little impact on long-term relationships or relationship quality.The net impact on men may have been a wash. Some men do well with online dating and other do bad. It roughly evens out. I also think men hype up how "good" they are with women to a point they engage in self-deception. Across age, race, ideological persuasion etc a lot of men think they "understand" women or are better with them than other guys. I believe this may bias men towards thinking they are doing better than they really are. Some normie gets one date every year and he thinks this makes hi… | /r/BlackPillScience | 05/07/25 08:49 PM |
| 21 | Women’s sexual desire rapidly declines once in a relationship and continues to decline over the course of the relationship, while men’s desire remains constant. [Graph In Comments]Different paper with similar results. <image> McNulty JK, Maxwell JA, Meltzer AL, Baumeister RF. 2019. The Honeymoon Is Over: Sex-Differentiated Changes in Sexual Desire Predict Marital Dissatisfaction. Arch Sex Behav | /r/BlackPillScience | 04/07/25 05:03 PM |
| 61 | Women’s sexual desire rapidly declines once in a relationship and continues to decline over the course of the relationship, while men’s desire remains constant. [Graph In Comments]It's Joever. | /r/BlackPillScience | 03/07/25 06:54 AM |
| 12 | Just Be A White Cat TheoryRare ginger win. | /r/BlackPillScience | 30/06/25 03:23 AM |
| 12 | Study finds out body count truly matters in both gendersMen who are preselected and desirable always have options. Divorced men are more likely than women to remarry. For women they always have options and can just drop a partner if they get bored and find a new one. Overall, if you're sexy enough to get lots of partners in the past, you still can in the future. | /r/BlackPillScience | 26/06/25 12:19 AM |
| 6 | Women’s preferences for men’s facial masculinity are strongest under favorable ecological conditionsThank you. I'm not saying it's the definitive truth or anything, but it's an alternative take I think is reasonable in explaining some female mating/dating behavior. | /r/BlackPillScience | 18/06/25 04:28 AM |
| 5 | Study finds the ick is associated with narcissism and "may also lead to overly rigid rejection standards"There is a reasonable ick (not bathing) and then there is the "ick list" which includes stuff like taking naps or having a birthday. | /r/BlackPillScience | 10/06/25 05:29 PM |
| 23 | Study finds the ick is associated with narcissism and "may also lead to overly rigid rejection standards"We need studies for the naysayers who deny common experience. | /r/BlackPillScience | 10/06/25 05:28 PM |
| 13 | Study finds the ick is associated with narcissism and "may also lead to overly rigid rejection standards"This is what a lot of older men don't get when they show confusion at young men who can't get a date. I know women who don't use any dating apps and have no interest in romance. Guys are still making marriage proposals to them, forget just asking them out. Social media acts as a de facto dating app. A woman really has to try to isolate herself to be totally insulated from male attention by doing things like going totally offline and working from home. Women complain more about too much male atte… | /r/BlackPillScience | 10/06/25 05:27 PM |
| 13 | Half of the participants were told that the target was single and half read that the target was currently in a relationship. The results showed that only single women were more interested in pursuing an attached target rather than a single target.All of my male friends who got married are now treated better in social settings. The difference isn't night and day but of the ones who I've talked to about it they admit to things like better customer service and feeling less invisible. Single men are just the lowest on the social totem pole. | /r/BlackPillScience | 27/05/25 02:45 PM |
| 28 | Half of the participants were told that the target was single and half read that the target was currently in a relationship. The results showed that only single women were more interested in pursuing an attached target rather than a single target.Preselection is a thing. Women are most interested in men who get other women. It means he's been vetted and approved by the only group of people whose opinion actually matters (women). | /r/BlackPillScience | 27/05/25 10:23 AM |
| 11 | Being More Educated and Earning More Increases Romantic Interest: Data from 1.8 M Online Daters from 24 NationsBetabux deluxe! | /r/BlackPillScience | 22/05/25 04:05 PM |
| 9 | Men are about twice as likely to die of "broken heart syndrome" than women.Lack of socialization has been found to have pretty serious long term health consequences. Touch deprivation is also pretty bad, especially for infants. Married men tend to live longer in part because their wives take an active interest in their health. I think in the long run we may see male life expectancy flatline or even fall slightly. | /r/BlackPillScience | 15/05/25 04:38 AM |
| 12 | Taller and facially more attractive men got married more frequently than shorter and facially less attractive ones.We need these studies to counter those deluded individuals out there who still think personality is all that counts. | /r/BlackPillScience | 12/05/25 05:52 PM |
| 46 | Taller and facially more attractive men got married more frequently than shorter and facially less attractive ones.This reminds me of a study from Spain which found something similar for men but also studied the impact of facial beauty on women's marriage prospects. They concluded that For men, the results show that being unattractive decreases the likelihood of finding a partner, of finding a partner with a university degree, and of finding a partner with a higher educational level. For women, physical attractiveness does not affect the likelihood of any of those events occurring. Essentially, women are und… | /r/BlackPillScience | 11/05/25 02:57 AM |
| 14 | Contrary to feminist dogma that "women's pain is ignored" and that science neglects them, a government report finds that most gender based medical research funded by the state goes to women.To say "women wasn’t even allowed to participate in clinical trails until 1993" is really a stretch. Women were allowed to participate in clinical trials before 1993 and the Unites States, although a world leader, is not the only place that conducts large clinical trials. As a response to the thalidomide catastrophe of 1962 the FDA established guidelines in 1977 that discouraged women who could become pregnant from phase 1 and phase 2 trials with exceptions for certain life saving drugs. They we… | /r/BlackPillScience | 10/05/25 01:29 PM |
| 16 | Women have a 4.5 times greater automatic gender in-group bias, while in comparison, men show a frail in-group bias.Women are wonderful. | /r/BlackPillScience | 09/05/25 09:14 PM |
| 21 | Study finds men interrupt women about as much as they interrupt other men but women interrupt other women even more."Males did not interrupt any more than females did and females were interrupted by their partners as frequently as males were interrupted by theirs, with one exception: Grade 9females were interrupted more by their female partners. Interruptions were asymmetrically distributed in same-sex and opposite-sex dyads; however, the asymmetry in opposite-sex dyads was not predictablefrom sex of subject or sex of partner. That is, males did not interrupt females any more than females interrupted males. T… | /r/BlackPillScience | 09/05/25 06:06 PM |
| 53 | Study finds men interrupt women about as much as they interrupt other men but women interrupt other women even more.These studies are needed to counter the absurd feminists tropes like "men interrupting women all the time" which continue to persist in the zeitgeist. Meh, who am I kidding, the feminists ignore the empirics in favor of "other ways of knowing" and "personal experience" (while claiming women were historically excluded from science but still invented everything). | /r/BlackPillScience | 09/05/25 03:20 PM |
| 9 | Women gossip significantly more about men’s physical appearances than men gossip about women’s physical appearancesI went to two high schools. The girls at my first high school class had a notebook they passed around with almost every guy in our grade in it and a page detailing how they rated him. No guy ever got his hands on the notebook but we knew they had it and it was sort of an open secret. At the 2nd high school I went to a girl told me that it was common for girls to write guys names in the bathroom stalls and use that as a way to communicate thoughts on them with each other. ie, they'd write "John S… | /r/BlackPillScience | 09/05/25 05:40 AM |
| 0 | Almost every minority woman responds more readily to White men than to men from their own racial group – while men from minority groups tend to contact women who are from their own racial groups over White womenGlobally, white males, and too a lesser extent East Asian men (Koreans, especially), are seen as the most attractive. | /r/BlackPillScience | 03/05/25 02:57 PM |
| 5 | Women’s mate choice decision rule is to copy only if a man’s female consort is physically attractiveThis sort of explains the trope of the ugly guy with beautiful women around him. | /r/BlackPillScience | 03/05/25 02:44 PM |
| 3 | Almost every minority woman responds more readily to White men than to men from their own racial group – while men from minority groups tend to contact women who are from their own racial groups over White womenHis life sucks but he is doing slightly better than his Asian counterparts. | /r/BlackPillScience | 03/05/25 02:43 PM |
| 6 | Almost every minority woman responds more readily to White men than to men from their own racial group – while men from minority groups tend to contact women who are from their own racial groups over White womenThe only way to get the left to care about social equality in romance and sex is when they found out white males still have an advantage. | /r/BlackPillScience | 03/05/25 02:43 PM |
| 16 | Almost every minority woman responds more readily to White men than to men from their own racial group – while men from minority groups tend to contact women who are from their own racial groups over White womenAnti-Western, marxist-feminist, revolutionaries who oppose "colonialism", "Eurocentrism" and "white supremacy" be like | /r/BlackPillScience | 03/05/25 02:41 PM |
| 1 | When men win the lottery they are more likely to get married and have children; when women win the lottery they are more likely to get divorced (with no impact on fertility).Betabuxx-deluxe | /r/BlackPillScience | 28/04/25 04:25 AM |
| 71 | Single women are happier than single menThis is why its almost all (redpill) men threatening women that they will end up lonely old cat ladies and not the other way around. A bizarre strategy to widen the dating pool by scaring women into thinking they will end up miserable by themselves when its really the low status men who end up spiraling. This is why the blackpill always beats the redpill. | /r/BlackPillScience | 26/04/25 02:37 PM |
| 5 | "Nordic countries are the most gender equal countries in the world, but at the same time they have disproportionally high prevalence rates of intimate partner violence"There are a couple of papers (here, here, here) that try to untangle this paradox and they all reach somewhat different or ambiguous conclusions. Some even say the paradox has been resolved. There seems to be no consensus view within the literature. A problem I see are small sample sizes that are mostly just qualitative interviews of survivors. I think your intuition about the violence being related to non-natives or mixed couples could be right, but its all up in the air. In terms of ambiguity … | /r/BlackPillScience | 21/04/25 07:06 PM |
| 4 | "Nordic countries are the most gender equal countries in the world, but at the same time they have disproportionally high prevalence rates of intimate partner violence"I'm in full agreement. | /r/BlackPillScience | 20/04/25 04:08 PM |
| 53 | Women gossip significantly more about men’s physical appearances than men gossip about women’s physical appearancesThis matches up exactly with my personal experience. Going back to middle school no group of males I ever associated with ever talked about the women we liked or who was hotter beyond the most brief passing comments. I'm surprised at how little the men I know would ever brag about hot women they "scored". Maybe three guys I've met in my life. Young or old, family or non-familial, religious or non-religious, different workplaces, popular guys who got girls, unpopular guys who did not, online, irl… | /r/BlackPillScience | 16/04/25 02:55 PM |
| 1 | Friendship as a Relationship Infiltration Tactic during Human Mate PoachingProbably the same or worse. Male reproductive strategy is always a numbers game so men tend to want lots of options at all times. | /r/BlackPillScience | 24/03/25 06:10 PM |
| 8 | Friendship as a Relationship Infiltration Tactic during Human Mate PoachingThis reminds me of an old article I read that discussed how in a survey of 1,000 British women almost half admitted to having a "backup partner". | /r/BlackPillScience | 19/03/25 06:58 PM |
| 5 | Good conduct makes your face attractive: The effect of personality perception on facial attractiveness judgmentsThis seems totally reasonable. Your reputation precedes you and might bias how others perceive your beauty. | /r/BlackPillScience | 09/03/25 12:21 AM |
| 89 | Study finds men prefer women who are nice but finds women do not prefer men who are nice.When did this new (and pointless) attempt to distinguish between "kind" and "nice" emerge? Why do people think it matters? | /r/BlackPillScience | 02/03/25 05:06 AM |
| 47 | Study finds men prefer women who are nice but finds women do not prefer men who are nice.Nice straw man arguments. I do agree men should sometimes be more forward with how they feel in approaching women. Death Row inmates have no shortage of suitors. In fact, the more notorious the murderer, the less he has to work for female companionship, San Quintin [State Prison] spokesman Eric Messick said. Letters of adoration flow in daily to Death Row inmates from all over the world, some of them 20 handwritten pages long. Richard Allen Davis, the man who kidnapped 12-year-old Polly Klaas fr… | /r/BlackPillScience | 02/03/25 05:02 AM |
| 96 | Study finds men prefer women who are nice but finds women do not prefer men who are nice.One of the greatest copes of all time. | /r/BlackPillScience | 02/03/25 01:48 AM |
| 39 | Study finds men prefer women who are nice but finds women do not prefer men who are nice.Responsiveness may signal to a potential partner that one is concerned with her or his welfare, and may therefore increase sexual interest in this person. Research shows, however, that this proposition holds true for men, but not for women. In three studies, one observational and two experimental, we explored a potential mechanism that explains why men and women diverge in their sexual reactions to a responsive opposite-sex stranger. Studies 1 and 2 showed that men, but not women, perceived a re… | /r/BlackPillScience | 02/03/25 01:44 AM |
| 3 | Marital Status, Cardiovascular Diseases, and Cardiovascular Risk Factors: A Review of the Evidence - PubMedOr this includes people that live with each other regardless of whether they're married or not? And if it does, how exactly does having a partner make you healthier? Your partner takes an active interest in your health and they remind you to exercise or follow doctor's orders. Harvard medical school has basically documented that wives will nag their husbands to take their medications. In addition being married gives you something more to live for. Both married men and married women have longer l… | /r/BlackPillScience | 26/02/25 04:03 PM |
| 21 | Marital Status, Cardiovascular Diseases, and Cardiovascular Risk Factors: A Review of the Evidence - PubMedMost studies showed better outcomes for married persons, and men who were single generally had the poorest results. Moreover, being married was associated with lower risk factors and better health status, even in the presence of many confounding effects. At least we don't have to endure solitary isolation long! | /r/BlackPillScience | 25/02/25 03:11 AM |
| 15 | Men should decenter women tooEveryone of my male friends who got married has admitted that having a wife has improved their social standing in the world. It's not a night and day change but they've all noticed they get better service and people are more friendly toward them. I think if people see you are with a woman and have her approval you've essentially been vetted as safe and approachable. There is a kind of glass ceiling for single adult men that exists. Basically, if you are a single man and you show up almost anywhe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/25 06:08 PM |
| 5 | Physical and Psychosocial Correlates of Facial AttractivenessThe full article can be found here. Some highlights. Although self-rated and other-rated attractiveness were positively correlated, ratings of one’s own facial attractiveness were higher, especially among men, than those made by other people. In our study population, female faces were rated as more attractive than male ones, by both males and females. Males generally rated male and female faces as more attractive than females did. Facial attractiveness, both self-rated and other rated, was posit… | /r/BlackPillScience | 24/02/25 05:45 PM |
| 2 | Romantic Relationships Matter More to Men than to WomenI don't believe so. Although that depends how expansive your definition of culture is. Cambridge published the study and the authors are American, Dutch, and German. I read a discussion about the study on ScientificAmerican and there appears to be no indication they studied people outside the Western World. | /r/BlackPillScience | 16/02/25 02:36 AM |
| 21 | Romantic Relationships Matter More to Men than to WomenAnd that relatively small group of men women actually interact with are what informs their opinion about men as an entirety. | /r/BlackPillScience | 15/02/25 06:03 PM |
| 24 | Romantic Relationships Matter More to Men than to Women1. Be a high value woman. A high value woman is a woman who doesn't revolve her life around men. She has her own career, hobbies, and a great social life that fulfills her emotional needs, so if she does welcome a man in her life, he better be amazing. A high value woman also doesn't romanticize men's true nature, therefore she's cautious around them and wants them to prove themselves to her before she gets emotionally attached. 2. If a man isn’t chasing you, he’s not that into you. A man’s role… | /r/BlackPillScience | 15/02/25 03:27 PM |
| 87 | Romantic Relationships Matter More to Men than to Womenr/FemaleDatingStrategy users basically say that. Essentially, they argue women should put in absolutely 0 effort to get a man, if thats even what they want, and that at the slightest sign of the "ick", drop him and move on. It's actually very cold, bleak, and unromantic. So, for as much as women hate the "black pill" and incels they spend a lot of time proving black pill theory correct. | /r/BlackPillScience | 15/02/25 06:07 AM |
| 50 | Romantic Relationships Matter More to Men than to WomenWomen are often viewed as more romantic than men, and romantic relationships are assumed to be more central to the lives of women than to those of men. Despite the prevalence of these beliefs, some recent research paints a different picture. Using principles and insights based on the interdisciplinary literature on mixed-gender relationships, we advance a set of four propositions relevant to differences between men and women and their romantic relationships. We propose that relative to women: (a… | /r/BlackPillScience | 15/02/25 05:41 AM |
| 6 | No End to Hypergamy when Considering the Full Married PopulationThis is true. I've only ever met one "house husband" in my life and that was after he lost his job. I don't know if he went back to work later. Even amongst younger adults I know basically all the married women are with a man a little older and making more money. People will say that most people marry someone within their socioeconomic circle but that can be a bit deceptive. People usually are in the same income quintile as their spouse but quintiles are fairly broad (20%) so if the 3rd quintile… | /r/BlackPillScience | 15/02/25 04:17 AM |
| 24 | No End to Hypergamy when Considering the Full Married PopulationThe worldwide expansion of female educational opportunities in recent decades has prompted demographers to assess the frequency with which women marry up (hypergamy) or down (hypogamy) with regard to education. A series of articles documented dramatic and nearly universal declines in hypergamy over time and across female educational advantage. However, this previous work investigated hypergamy only in the context of unequal educational pairings, excluding couples with equal levels of education (… | /r/BlackPillScience | 13/02/25 03:04 AM |
| 19 | About 75% of Swedish men in the top 1% of income earners are married to a woman outside the top 10%. For women, it's the opposite, with about 75% in the top 1% married to a man also in the top 10%.Everything "socially constructed" is really just biologically constructed. It all goes back to us. | /r/BlackPillScience | 11/02/25 01:18 AM |
| 22 | About 75% of Swedish men in the top 1% of income earners are married to a woman outside the top 10%. For women, it's the opposite, with about 75% in the top 1% married to a man also in the top 10%.Basically, yes. People tend to marry within their socioeconomic quintile but quintiles are kind of broad (20% of the population). If you get more narrow you see women tend to marry across or up and men tend to marry across or down, using incomes and status to enhance their desirability. Some men need to be in the top quintile of income earners to even register with women in the lower 3/5s. My only caution is that a study on the top 1% is just that, a study on the top 1% and the mentality of both… | /r/BlackPillScience | 10/02/25 06:37 PM |
| 31 | About 75% of Swedish men in the top 1% of income earners are married to a woman outside the top 10%. For women, it's the opposite, with about 75% in the top 1% married to a man also in the top 10%.It's always interesting to see fake intellectuals pretend they know things. Minoan culture predates the Hellenic age by millennia and by that time the Minoans were long forgotten. When it did exist it was probably one of the most peaceful and sedate cultures of the ancient bronze age civilizations. There is little evidence for warfare in their society and the few weapons that have been found are thought to have been ceremonial. No one has ever even deciphered their script, linear A so everything… | /r/BlackPillScience | 10/02/25 06:21 PM |
| 61 | About 75% of Swedish men in the top 1% of income earners are married to a woman outside the top 10%. For women, it's the opposite, with about 75% in the top 1% married to a man also in the top 10%.Culture is downstream from biology. | /r/BlackPillScience | 10/02/25 03:40 PM |
| 20 | About 75% of Swedish men in the top 1% of income earners are married to a woman outside the top 10%. For women, it's the opposite, with about 75% in the top 1% married to a man also in the top 10%.Fifth, we find that women in the top are increasingly similar to men, not only in terms of income composition, but also in terms of individual characteristics such as age education, and marital status. But despite the convergence, family situations are still markedly different. A little more than half of women in the top 1 group are married while the other half is divided between non-married, divorced and widows, with widows being the smallest group and the one that has decreased the most over t… | /r/BlackPillScience | 10/02/25 07:37 AM |
| 6 | There’s relationship recession and women are absolutely fine with that.In the immediate aftermath of the US election, women (sorry, “childless cat ladies”) expressed similar sentiments; not pussyhats this time, but a sort of repulsed withdrawal. That included renewed interest in South Korea’s 4B feminist movement, which rejects marriage, childbirth, dating and sex. “Doing my part as an American woman by breaking up with my Republican boyfriend last night and officially joining the 4B movement this morning,” one young woman posted on TikTok on 6 November. This refle… | /r/MensRights | 10/02/25 07:04 AM |
| 8 | Physical attractiveness and reproductive success in humans: Evidence from the late 20th century United StatesUnattractive women reproduce and create ugly men who don't. | /r/BlackPillScience | 08/02/25 06:01 PM |
| 18 | Physical attractiveness and reproductive success in humans: Evidence from the late 20th century United StatesAbstract: Physical attractiveness has been associated with mating behavior, but its role in reproductive success of contemporary humans has received surprisingly little attention. In the Wisconsin Longitudinal Study (1244 women, 997 men born between 1937 and 1940) we examined whether attractiveness assessed from photographs taken at age ~18 predicted the number of biological children at age 53–56. In women, attractiveness predicted higher reproductive success in a nonlinear fashion, so that attr… | /r/BlackPillScience | 07/02/25 07:11 PM |
| 1 | Short males suffer from outright discrimination, which, according to research, is no less severe than gender or racial discrimination.The answer is obvious. Both women and men have a preference for women and their "issues". | /r/BlackPillScience | 07/02/25 06:39 PM |
| 1 | Amongst American females aged 15-24, 13.2% had children, amongst 15-24 year old males, only 6.2% did.You're right but in my view sexual selection was likely always at play. I don't see female selectivity being at odds with male intrasexual competition (warfare, hoarding wealth). | /r/BlackPillScience | 07/02/25 05:42 PM |
| 14 | Your Face is Your Fortune: Does Adolescent Attractiveness Predict Intimate Relationships Later in Life?Results: We find that adolescent attractiveness facilitates sexual activity in later life. This relationship is largely driven by attractiveness increasing the probability of having access to potential sexual partners. However, attractiveness is not related to sexual activity among married couples, even after controlling for marital duration. Men, those in good health, and wealthier individuals are also more likely to engage in several facets of intimate relationships. | /r/BlackPillScience | 07/02/25 06:28 AM |
| 27 | Amongst American females aged 15-24, 13.2% had children, amongst 15-24 year old males, only 6.2% did.It's two things. Overall, a smaller percentage of men than women will ever have kids, so a few men will have kids with multiple women. Fewer women will have children with multiple men. Women having kids with older men is far more common than the reverse. A 20 year old woman is more likely to marry and have kids with a 30 year old man than the other way around. Basically, some men are going to get left out. | /r/BlackPillScience | 06/02/25 04:51 PM |
| 16 | Amongst American females aged 15-24, 13.2% had children, amongst 15-24 year old males, only 6.2% did.Totally true, I just found the stark difference blackpilling. What actually got me interested in the article to begin with was the disparity in fertility rates that persists regardless of age. 56.7% of women aged 15-49 have had at least one biological child whereas only 44.8% of men aged 15-49 did. The mean number of births reported by women aged 15–49 in 2015–2019 was 1.3, and the mean number of biological children reported by men aged 15–49 was 0.9. The only real long term hope men have is tha… | /r/BlackPillScience | 06/02/25 04:05 PM |
| 11 | Amongst American females aged 15-24, 13.2% had children, amongst 15-24 year old males, only 6.2% did.From "Fertility of Men and Women Aged 15–49 in the United States: National Survey of Family Growth, 2015–2019" [PDF available here]. The figures cited comes from Table 1 (page 12). | /r/BlackPillScience | 06/02/25 07:55 AM |
| 0 | Sexual access to females as a motivation for joining gangs: An evolutionary approachIt's really not something you can say irl but there are reasons beyond "she's scared of what he'll do" that explain why women not only stay with, but are attracted to, violent males. | /r/BlackPillScience | 04/02/25 08:46 PM |
| 38 | Sexual access to females as a motivation for joining gangs: An evolutionary approachResults Table 1 shows that the gang members in the study reported a significantly greater average number of sex partners during the last 30 days than the non-gang members reported for the same period (M, of 1.67 to 1.22, respectively); one-tailed *-test, t = 2.16, df'118, p < .025. The hypothesis that the greater number of partners reported by gang members during the last 30 days preceding the interview was associated with an accumulation of greater numbers of partners over longer time periods w… | /r/BlackPillScience | 01/02/25 06:27 AM |
| 36 | Association of height and violent criminality: results from a Swedish total population study - PubMedIn unadjusted analyses, height had a moderate negative relationship to violent crime; the shortest of men were twice as likely to be convicted of a violent crime as the tallest. However, when simultaneously controlling for all measured confounders, height was weakly and positively related to violent crime. Intelligence had the individually strongest mitigating effect on the height-crime relationship. This reminds me of an old study which found that gang members had far more sexual partners than … | /r/BlackPillScience | 31/01/25 06:36 AM |
| 5 | Influence of height on likelihood of employment, occupational sorting, and earnings in 27 post-communist countries - PubMedInteresting study. It was counterintuitive to read that women reap greater financial rewards than men for being taller ("Finally, when occupational sorting and socio-demographics are controlled for, a 10 cm increase in height results in a 5% increase in earning for men, and a 12% increase in earnings for women."). I've always been curious if, maybe, taller people are genuinely more qualified than shorter ones. Perhaps, being taller their overall bodies are larger and as an extension of that they… | /r/BlackPillScience | 29/01/25 05:35 PM |
| 10 | Men have grown twice as much as women over past century, study shows "in the UK, men’s height gains were 2.76 times larger than women’s in the first half of the twentieth century"Sexual selection is very likely at play. They adjust for things like disease and nutrition and even geography, noting that these trends are global. | /r/BlackPillScience | 26/01/25 05:09 PM |
| 60 | Men have grown twice as much as women over past century, study shows "in the UK, men’s height gains were 2.76 times larger than women’s in the first half of the twentieth century"Sexual selection is likely at play. Women have a natural and obvious preference for men who are not only larger and taller than themselves but larger and taller than other men. This all reminds me of an old 538 article I read. How Common Is It For A Man To Be Shorter Than His Partner? But there’s a bigger issue here — maybe you’ve already spotted it, John: Men tend to be taller than women anyway. Is it really so surprising that only 7.5 percent of heterosexual couples don’t include a man who is … | /r/BlackPillScience | 23/01/25 09:40 PM |
| 12 | Men have grown twice as much as women over past century, study shows "in the UK, men’s height gains were 2.76 times larger than women’s in the first half of the twentieth century"4. Discussion Our cross-national analyses suggest that as the social and ecological conditions of nations improve, including reductions in overall disease burden [17], people’s height and weight increase, but more than twice as much in men as in women resulting in greater SSD. It is possible that this sex difference is confounded by population differences in maximum potential height under optimal living conditions, and thus our estimates of the rate of height increase with increasing HDI may be … | /r/BlackPillScience | 23/01/25 09:34 PM |
| 2 | The percentage of mid-life never married adults almost doubled between 2000 and 2021.True, just like how you can't prove a direct relationship between the two variables either. Using that logic we can totally dismiss cause and effect all together. While theoretically possible, how many marriages do we see irl that offer all of those benefits? We have to consider that a lot of marriages are loveless, dead bedrooms, toxic, etc. About 35-40% of marriages fail, but most men get remarried, meaning that they see being married as being better than single and worth the possible downside… | /r/BlackPillScience | 23/01/25 08:30 PM |
| 1 | The percentage of mid-life never married adults almost doubled between 2000 and 2021.Married men tend to be more healthy, sexy, richer and live longer, but it's not because of marriage, is it? It is. Most wives love their husbands and take an active interest in their husbands health. Harvard medical school has documented men are more likely to take their medications and follow doctors orders because they have a wife who will nag them to do so. Wives socially network their husbands and open up new channels for them to make more friends. Single men have less sex because they have … | /r/BlackPillScience | 23/01/25 07:44 PM |
| 1 | The percentage of mid-life never married adults almost doubled between 2000 and 2021.From my post I acknowledge that possibility. It's worth noting that there is some reverse causality at play. The type of men who get married are usually going to be sexier, well-adjusted, healthier, and better off financially. Still, the data is pretty clear that getting married will improve a man's health and therefore longevity (here, here, and here) in addition to whatever positive health attributes he already has going. Married men live longer because they are married but were also preselect… | /r/BlackPillScience | 23/01/25 05:15 PM |
| 9 | The percentage of mid-life never married adults almost doubled between 2000 and 2021.Marriage has benefits for both men and women. If a man can get married there is a chance the marriage could fail and he gets divorced. Some marriages that last are unhappy. Still, we have to look at the facts. Married men live longer and are overall healthier. Married men have more stable lives. Married men make more money. Married men have more sex. Married men have more well established rights regarding child custody. Married men are better networked, socially. It's worth noting that there is … | /r/BlackPillScience | 22/01/25 12:45 AM |
| 19 | The percentage of mid-life never married adults almost doubled between 2000 and 2021.I'd argue it's mostly a waste of time. If you really struggle to connect with women and are making an honest effort but find yourself still single at around 30 you may want to give up and stop spending the time and money. | /r/BlackPillScience | 21/01/25 10:51 PM |
| 39 | The percentage of mid-life never married adults almost doubled between 2000 and 2021.Key takeaways from the article. In 1900, the percentage of mid-life never married adults was 16.3%, dropping by over half to 7.1% in 1970. Since 1970, the percentage of never married mid-life adults increased rapidly to 16.8% in 2000--a two-fold increase within 30 years. Over the past two decades, the share of never married mid-life adults steadily increased, reaching 29.1% in 2021. Overall, since 1970, the percentage of never married middle-aged adults increased by over 300%. These trends sugge… | /r/BlackPillScience | 20/01/25 05:09 PM |
| 8 | Some men will always be unappealing to all women in a romantic sense.And in most cases it's involuntary. Even the term celibate doesn't do the issue justice. There are unironcially people here who are over 30 who are still virgins. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/25 10:17 PM |
| 16 | Some men will always be unappealing to all women in a romantic sense.For someone who is in his early 30s, I have a lot of friends and acquaintances in their 60s and 70s. Amongst the very few women who never married its usually because they weren't interested in any of the men who pursued them. Amongst the men its because they never found anyone who reciprocated their affection or life (career) got in the way. This is an anonymous sub, we don't have to pretend men never have it worse fr the sake of political correctness. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/25 10:15 PM |
| 3 | Some men will always be unappealing to all women in a romantic sense.Women don't want solidarity with lonely men. It is crazy you can genuinely believe there are no social issues that can be worse for men than women. That its all either equally bad for both - or worse for women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/25 10:07 PM |
| 5 | Some men will always be unappealing to all women in a romantic sense.It's easier to just deny everything that even slightly threatens your perspective, rather than accept that the world is nuanced, isn't it? Obviously, you just tried to explain away two actual pieces of research on human relationships to maintain your victim status and worldview. The fact that you once had a dry spell a few years ago isn't particularly compelling evidence when trying to evaluate gendered differences in relationship formation and loneliness. Actual research is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/25 09:56 PM |
| 2 | Some men will always be unappealing to all women in a romantic sense.Of all the humans who ever existed about twice as many women ended up having offspring compared to men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/25 09:54 PM |
| 3 | Some men will always be unappealing to all women in a romantic sense.It also doesn't require 0 standards. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/25 09:47 PM |
| 20 | Some men will always be unappealing to all women in a romantic sense.Most "overweight" women aren't even that bad looking and there are a lot of men who find bigger women attractive. Other than outdated boomer humor I really don't get why the trope of the "lonely fat woman" lives on. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/25 09:41 PM |
| 6 | Some men will always be unappealing to all women in a romantic sense.The aim of the paper is to discover how important physical attractiveness is in finding a partner and in the type of partnership sought. Two surveys (2975 and 3004 by the CIS) and several methods were employed: linear probability models and fixed-effect multi-level models. For men, the results show that being unattractive decreases the likelihood of finding a partner, of finding a partner with a university degree, and of finding a partner with a higher educational level. For women, physical attr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/25 09:34 PM |
| 6 | Some men will always be unappealing to all women in a romantic sense."There's a lid for every pot". I kind of believe this but the search costs for some men are so high it is better to just give up. Yes, some dopey guy in the USA or Canada can go to the Philippines or Thailand and basically buy a wife but it's not really that easy either and honestly kind of sad. There has always been a contingent of people in any society who wanted to get married but never did. Now, general interest in marriage is declining (marriage rates in the USA are lower now than during th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/25 09:19 PM |
| 3 | Women do actually hate the idea of sex robots despite saying otherwise.The research on this is clear. Men are much less selective than women and will reproduce with a much wider range of options regardless of what they look like. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/25 03:44 PM |
| 9 | Women do actually hate the idea of sex robots despite saying otherwise.This will sound bizarre, even paranoid, but women behave somewhat like a sexual cartel. They collude to keep their sexual market value high and regulate male reproduction. They guard other women and filter out undesirable males, keeping those men excluded and low value. Some men are regarded as high value and women will, to varying degrees, compete for them. It's an interesting strategy and not always intuitive but it does have its logic. It might make more sense to have a system where some wome… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/01/25 03:24 PM |
| 7 | The relative importance of looks, height, job, bio, intelligence, and homophily in online dating: A conjoint analysisFascinating stuff. I'm well aware of how important being physically attractive is to your partner for both men and women so women ranking it #1 is no surprise. The major issue for men is that women only find a very small percent of men good looking whereas men have a fairly relaxed attitude toward women regarding what they look like (for both casual sex and long term relationships). It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out in over the 21st century. | /r/BlackPillScience | 13/01/25 03:36 AM |
| 3 | The relative importance of looks, height, job, bio, intelligence, and homophily in online dating: A conjoint analysisI feel like it gets bundled in with overall attractiveness. | /r/BlackPillScience | 13/01/25 03:28 AM |
| 15 | The Dark Triad and Male Clients of Female Sex Work - PubMedThey want a real connection. Something done voluntary and not directly paid for. | /r/BlackPillScience | 09/01/25 04:59 PM |
| 22 | The Dark Triad and Male Clients of Female Sex Work - PubMedBrainlet here: if I understand this correctly the paper is asserting that a non-trivial contingent of men seek out prostitutes for the thrill of doing something seen as socially taboo as well as commercializing sex in an emotionless transaction and all that gets them off. | /r/BlackPillScience | 08/01/25 06:26 AM |
| 2 | Sexual adjustment after lower extremity amputation - PubMedAlmost anything that might be considered a "handicap" in dating or romance really only impacts men. Basically, women are under almost no selective pressure. Their only real issue is that the high value men they want have options to be selective. Hence you get the feminist body positivity movement which is only about making males (Chad) deconstruct and unlearn their illegitimate patriarchal preferences against fat, old, disabled, disfigured women and single mothers etc. Even though women's prefer… | /r/BlackPillScience | 07/01/25 09:21 PM |
| 13 | The results showed that only single women were more interested in pursuing an attached target rather than a single target.Preselection is basically a necessity for men. Women want men that other women want. There are other factors at play, of course. Women love drama. | /r/BlackPillScience | 25/11/24 07:40 AM |
| 8 | For the first time in my life, I believe men have it worst than femalesThe U.N's go to for measuring living standards is the Human Development Index (HDI). I used an online calculator to compare the 2019 standard of living of American women and men. Women came out slightly better off. I used yearly income instead of GDP per capita which the UN does because I think it's a better proxy for individual living standards. If you use GDP per capita the gap actually narrows with men doing a bit better. In my view, the average women being slightly better off isn't some deci… | /r/MensRights | 14/11/24 01:45 AM |
| 1 | There are rational reasons for working class men to dislike female empowerment; Women irrespective of their living conditions or ideology will always be hypergamous. There is no egalitarian utopia at the end of the female empowerment rainbow, just more male disposabilityOlder people in general can't fight like young men, who are pretty easily replaceable relative to the very elderly, of who, there are many fewer. About 105 boys are born for every 100 girls. Globally, male death rates are much higher than female ones. This all makes sense, societies can afford to lose some surplus males and continue. Male life is simply cheaper than female life even with modern medicine reducing infant and maternal mortality people also value women more for their friendship and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/24 09:10 PM |
| 1 | There are rational reasons for working class men to dislike female empowerment; Women irrespective of their living conditions or ideology will always be hypergamous. There is no egalitarian utopia at the end of the female empowerment rainbow, just more male disposabilityAll societies regardless of how egalitarian or not implement male disposability. Ukraine isn't that patriarchal and no one is pushing the infantilization of women. No country in the world could field an army with a female only draft and even a mixed draft is not needed. The Israelis have lost only a few hundred women in active combat since the 1960s because, even when against professional military, they aren't needed. Plenty of nations are in a position where a draft is a necessity in order to a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/24 06:14 PM |
| 1 | There are rational reasons for working class men to dislike female empowerment; Women irrespective of their living conditions or ideology will always be hypergamous. There is no egalitarian utopia at the end of the female empowerment rainbow, just more male disposabilityYou're oversimplifying things. It's a misconception that men's wages declined/stagnated because of women entering the labor market. The market price for domestic services is pretty low, although its intrinsic value is perhaps limitless. Men and women have always both worked in and out of the home, the ratios have fluctuated over the years. Political power and participation has always been limited for men and women's participation and enfranchisement has usually only lagged men's by a few decades… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/24 06:14 AM |
| 1 | There are rational reasons for working class men to dislike female empowerment; Women irrespective of their living conditions or ideology will always be hypergamous. There is no egalitarian utopia at the end of the female empowerment rainbow, just more male disposabilityMen are only net contributions when you don't value all the unpaid and unrecogonized labor that women to do make all of that possible. It's the exact opposite (also you would have to add in "unpaid" labor men engage in but I don't really care about anyone's unpaid labor). What you call "unpaid labor" can't actually exist without people paying the literal bills and taxes. No one is just going to pay you for doing domestic chores for yourself. Again, it's important to note that at least some femal… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/24 04:41 AM |
| 2 | There are rational reasons for working class men to dislike female empowerment; Women irrespective of their living conditions or ideology will always be hypergamous. There is no egalitarian utopia at the end of the female empowerment rainbow, just more male disposabilityWhy is the onus on women to cater to those men then? For a few decades now American society at large has been trying to accommodate women more and empower them, often through explicit and implicit government policy. Why not just give women equality under the law and move on? On balance men are net contributors to the nations treasury whereas women are a net drain meaning they benefit more from welfare and transfer programs. Women also benefit more from affirmative action, have a majority of gove… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/24 12:19 AM |
| 2 | There are rational reasons for working class men to dislike female empowerment; Women irrespective of their living conditions or ideology will always be hypergamous. There is no egalitarian utopia at the end of the female empowerment rainbow, just more male disposabilityHistorically, most societies dealt with anti-social or criminal male behavior with prisons, forced labor, the death penalty, exile, or conscription. However, this is all enforced by men and men aren't going to take away their own rights because some of us are criminals. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/11/24 12:15 AM |
| 4 | There are rational reasons for working class men to dislike female empowerment; Women irrespective of their living conditions or ideology will always be hypergamous. There is no egalitarian utopia at the end of the female empowerment rainbow, just more male disposabilityI'm thinking of a category of young adult men who are extremely isolated and probably don't date at all and likely don't have any options to ever get started. The kind of young adult men who report 0 friends. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/11/24 11:50 PM |
| 0 | There are rational reasons for working class men to dislike female empowerment; Women irrespective of their living conditions or ideology will always be hypergamous. There is no egalitarian utopia at the end of the female empowerment rainbow, just more male disposabilityWomen get politically organized around a number of issues and use the political process as leverage to try and get more of what they want. Some men see this, recognize there is no obvious male equivalent to an organization like NOW, and want in on the action. A lot of politics in the USA is centered around politicians basically promising you more money even if you are already middle class, rich, or comfortable working class. Lower taxes, higher incomes, cheaper goods and services etc. Increasing… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/11/24 11:46 PM |
| 14 | There are rational reasons for working class men to dislike female empowerment; Women irrespective of their living conditions or ideology will always be hypergamous. There is no egalitarian utopia at the end of the female empowerment rainbow, just more male disposabilityThe opportunity cost of having kids is pretty high these days, especially in most metropolitan places around the world. Instead of having a kid, save the money and invest it, or go on vacations, or work extra hours at a high paying job, etc. But your basic premise is correct, it's not actually that difficult in the modern world to have kids. The technology we have now makes it about as safe and easy as ever. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/11/24 11:23 PM |
| 6 | There are rational reasons for working class men to dislike female empowerment; Women irrespective of their living conditions or ideology will always be hypergamous. There is no egalitarian utopia at the end of the female empowerment rainbow, just more male disposabilityWomen have much lower testosterone than men so they can handle being single and sexless much better. Being single, romantically, isn't the same for men as it is for women. That aforementioned testosterone which makes men more sexual has a tendency to make them more aggressive as well so men will basically always be more reactive to any perceived unfairness, injustice, or inequality. I understand that it might seem shallow, but the prospect of remaining single for life is enough to drive some men… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/11/24 08:14 PM |
| 1 | There are rational reasons for working class men to dislike female empowerment; Women irrespective of their living conditions or ideology will always be hypergamous. There is no egalitarian utopia at the end of the female empowerment rainbow, just more male disposabilityAlso this ignores the fact that poorer men have, historical speaking, been worse off in getting a wife or having children before feminism. Arranged marriages, intrasexual competition, and female selectivity can all have the same outcomes. In a society that arranges marriages the very poor, delinquent, or anti-social males won't be matched up. But in a free society women will still also prefer to pick richer options. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/11/24 08:09 PM |
| – | The 4B movement won't work because most of us already don't get laidWomen are rarely economically dependent on a male provider or parents these days but actual lesbianism is pretty rare. Women have been, and will continue to, forgo long term relationships like marriage, but they will remain heterosexual. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/11/24 07:49 PM |
| – | The 4B movement won't work because most of us already don't get laidPolitical lesbianism has been tried before (1970s) and basically went nowhere. All of these sex strikes men or women try to start are never of any lasting consequence. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/11/24 07:31 PM |
| 2 | Women reported more frequent and earlier-timed orgasms when mated to masculine and dominant menSocial desirability bias is likely at play. | /r/BlackPillScience | 12/11/24 07:22 PM |
| 2 | THIS WILL ALWAYS♾️ BE🐝: POSTS📮 WITH AFFIRMATIVE✅ CLAIMS GET MARKED WITH "DEBATE"🗣️ POST FLAIR DAILY🌞 MEGATHREAD4b is barely a thing in the nation it started. No one really cares at this point if women do or don't date. For the past two generations the main things in life women are told to emphasize are careerism and professionalism with family more of a secondary thing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/24 10:50 AM |
| 5 | THIS WILL ALWAYS♾️ BE🐝: POSTS📮 WITH AFFIRMATIVE✅ CLAIMS GET MARKED WITH "DEBATE"🗣️ POST FLAIR DAILY🌞 MEGATHREADIn South Korea, where the movement started, there are only about 4,000 women who claim to be active participants. Even if there are twice as many women involved but they have chosen to remain silent it's worth noting that South Korea has about 52 million people. In the context of the United States I remember some social media buzz about a "sex strike" in response to Trump's first election, #MeToo, and the overturning of Roe v. Wade. I'm sure there were other proposed sex strikes. In each case th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/24 10:37 AM |
| 1 | Not men's fault (re-upload due to lock, reason has been rectified)There are 7 to 10 million more registered female voters in the USA than male ones last I checked and they have had higher turnout in every presidential election since 1984. Trump won each swing state, and in some cases by about 2-3% which is a decent margin. I don't know what the breakdowns are for each state in terms of male-female voting patterns but I do think it's plausible that had women come out to vote in greater numbers and used their sizable demographic advantage as registered voters th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/24 10:02 AM |
| 25 | "'A Fatal Miscalculation’: Masculinity researcher Richard Reeves on why Democrats lost young men"I've read some of your comments and you are hitting on a legitimate point, albeit you are taking it way too far. Most adult men aren't totally isolated incels, but a fairly large number of young adult men (under 30) are single and marriage rates are at there lowest point in the USA since the 1930s. I imagine a decent chunk of young men, in addition to being single, have few or no female friends. Appealing to men by saying "if you care about the women in your life, you should vote for us." won't … | /r/MensRights | 10/11/24 07:51 AM |
| 3 | AI gfs could change everythingI think you're right but there is something disturbing about humans potentially replacing normal relationships with other humans with AI that are "better" than the real thing. Why not do this in every area of life. Replace real friends or neighbors with better AI ones. Why not replace all workers with AI. WE can even replace pets and animals with them to. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/11/24 07:48 AM |
| 7 | AI gfs could change everythingThe reason we are alone is because we are sexually and romantically worthless to most women and a lot of very young adult men aren't aware their issues are innate and can't be worked on. Self-improvement is a multimillion dollar per year industry in the USA alone that caters almost totally to men. Dating coaches, gym memberships, and relationship gurus. There are plenty of men, especially younger men, spending hundreds if not thousands of dollars per year and working on themselves for years just… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/11/24 07:42 AM |
| 2 | I don’t believe men are primarily valued for how many women they sleep withEinstein was himself a serial adulterer. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/11/24 12:37 AM |
| 1 | I don’t believe men are primarily valued for how many women they sleep withReminds me of the old saying "women want to be with him, men want to be him". Sexual and romantic success (for men, at least) is as you say, non-linear. Preselection is super important and the more success you get the more it snowballs over time. It's an interesting phenomena but many women seem to prefer holding out or even fighting over highly sought after top males with many options rather than go for more easily obtainable mid tier men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/11/24 12:36 AM |
| 1 | I don’t believe men are primarily valued for how many women they sleep withIf a very attractive, wealthy, fit, intelligent man had decided to remain a virgin until he got married at 45, no one would “devalue” him. If he never dated a day in his life, no one would think he had less social status than anyone else. This really isn't true at all. If a man goes that long without being able to settle down women are going to view him with suspicion. Preselection is huge for women and men who don't get women are seen as strange at best, often as losers. Women like men that oth… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/11/24 12:33 AM |
| -1 | Curious what women view as "good guys"A good man is just one she finds sexually attractive, thats really about it. Research constantly shows that measured aspects of personality are irrelevant in how women evaluate male partners. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/11/24 12:07 AM |
| 3 | Dating is easier for women and it's men's faultI find it a fascinating phenomena that men are willing to pursue women anywhere and everywhere to the point that there are probably no untapped dating markets and almost no single women who don't have at least a few men interested in them. Women, conversely, will simply retreat and be extremely passive taking little to no romantic initiative at all. Because of how many men there are so vigorously pursuing them there really is no reason to try. Maybe if a woman works from home or in an environmen… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/24 12:02 AM |
| -1 | Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap.Sort of. The government has already been heavily involved in housing for decades now. A lot of what they are doing is bad, redundant, or ineffective. But I agree that little is changing to address the current crisis. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 08:05 PM |
| 1 | Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap.Wikipedia has a page on it that serves as a useful primer. A quick google search yields numerous articles from around the world in serious mainstream news sources, prominent blogs, Scientific American, publicly funded universities, and science journals on the subject. I went through a couple search engines for a while looking into "male sexlessness", "loner males", "single males" and didn't find anything nearly identical to the stuff I found on the orgasm gap. In terms of quality and quantity on… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 09:50 AM |
| 1 | Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap.Male 'sexlessness' is discussed all the time This whole sub is devoted to it. I'm talking about the mainstream. This sub is anonymous people just chatting. We have no impact on the wider world. Almost all real world attention to sexlessness amongst males is highly negative and not related to helping them achieve anything socially. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 09:45 AM |
| 1 | Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap.Like I said, I'm just pointing out what I think is a bit of an asymmetry. I think both issues deserve some discusion and thoughtfulness in the mainstream. Only one really does. Neither are that big a deal in the grand scheme of things but this sub is devoted to discussing these kind of things. If my post is so pointless, why are you here? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 09:37 AM |
| 1 | Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap.Which one? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 09:31 AM |
| 1 | Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap.Thats kind of what I just said. It will likely never be justified not to give exact equal weight to every issue. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 09:26 AM |
| 2 | Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap.Thats a fair opinion in my view. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 09:21 AM |
| 1 | Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap.Which creates asymmetry. I might care more about issues impacting infants and children than the elderly or vice versa. Thats an asymmetry in concern. It may be justified (at least to me) because we can't always give equal weight to every issue. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 09:21 AM |
| 2 | Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap.Education and thoughtfulness of men might improve it, but no matter how much you educate people about it, and how thoughtful men are, a gap will always remain. That is neither men's nor women's fault, it is simply due to the difference in physicality. I agree, but men can be doing much better than they are now, or at least try more. Men like competition, maybe teach them its manly or cool to help a women cum as many times as possible. The more you get her off the better a lover you are. What cou… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 09:19 AM |
| 1 | Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap.I never said anyone was entitled to an orgasm. My OP is just about what I think is an asymmetry in empathy for lack of sexual satisfaction amongst men and women. I do care about both groups but neither has a complete right to sex or sexual pleasure. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 09:11 AM |
| 1 | Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap.No, if someone wants to end the act before the other person has "finished" that is their absolute right. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 08:57 AM |
| -2 | Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap.What could be done about it? Education? When and where do we teach men to be more thoughtful partners? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 08:43 AM |
| 3 | Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap.I feel bad for anyone well-meaning who wants to get married but never does. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 08:33 AM |
| 1 | Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap.Female hypergamy isn’t real. Humans are clearly hypergamous and across a number of dimensions prefer traits that signify social success and health. Women are more hypergamous than men in most areas. Species that reproduce sexually need to engage in some hypergamy to weed out at least some very obviously bad traits. Your cherry picked “data” will never be enough to prove the thousands of studies that prove most men end up in happy and healthy relationships with women they care about. That’s it. A… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 08:20 AM |
| 2 | Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap.Yeah because no one is doing sexlessness to you. If people keep rejecting someone, yes they are. If employers keep not hiring someone, they are in a sense keeping that person unemployed, even if you don't feel a job is a right. When it’s less than 3% of men will ever not marry by the time they hit 75, yeah it isn’t societal. I'm not sure where you got this number but times change. As of now about 25% of 40 years olds are never married. As of now about 1 in 3 young adults may never marry. It’s ju… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 08:19 AM |
| 1 | Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap.Read her comment history. Almsot every man on this sub is a pathetic loser and a sub5 who is deserving exactly what he isn't getting (love). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 07:44 AM |
| -7 | Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap.It's seen as an issue by some in academia that some women don't experience orgasms during sex. It's not really seen as an issue that some men have little or no sex. I find the asymmetry odd. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 07:43 AM |
| -1 | Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap.I honestly do care (I doubt anyone will believe that) and think there should be some way to convey to heterosexual men that women getting an orgasm does matter. IDK, tell guys that its manly to give a woman multiple orgasms per session. On the other end I'm just genuinely shocked at how much animosity loner males get. Indifference I can understand, but the outright vitriol is crazy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 07:17 AM |
| 1 | Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap.I've seen this advice floating around for a while now. I think this is sort of original RP stuff before it became super jaded, hyperbolic, and even more of a grift. Regardless, plenty of regular guys fit this kind of description but are still single. If a woman doesn't feel any sexual attraction to a guy then all that stuff doesn't matter for starting a relationship. And a lot of normal guys aren't that sexy to begin with so they're kind of out of luck. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 07:13 AM |
| – | Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap.This is just psychopathic lol. You can pretend that everyone who has failed socially is just a loser or morally compromised and there are no larger systematic forces at play while claiming your problems are because of the patriarchy (and hope no one notices this obvious asymmetry in thinking). You can visit subs like this to gain some sense of moral superiority as you take pleasure in the "death spiral" of people who are romantically or socially unsuccessful (I can't believe this is a thing peop… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 07:06 AM |
| 2 | Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap.Thats more complicated for individuals who are not either sexually active to begin with or sexual predators. You can take accountability for your own actions, it's more difficult to take accountability for the actions of other men. I understand your idea, its just hard to get the necessary critical mass of people to go along with it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 06:43 AM |
| 1 | Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap.I never stated "it’s unnecessary for fertilization so it's useless". You added the "it's useless" part. It's just not needed for the fertilization process. I understand that women care deeply about it for the purpose of pleasure, but the pleasure people experience from sex is actually a secondary purpose. The main point is to reproduce. As for the issue of just using artificial insemination its a totally valid method within the reach of most people who are middle class or above in developed nati… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 06:40 AM |
| – | Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap.You pretty clearly dislike men and have no sympathy for them to the point you'll claim the things that cause them mental anguish aren't real problems. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 06:27 AM |
| -5 | Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap.Thats why no professionals in academia talk about it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 06:18 AM |
| 0 | Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap.You personally? I don't know given what a low opinion you have of them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 06:10 AM |
| 0 | Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap.you write that "it’s unnecessary for fertilization so it's useless" what I read is, "I'm bad, lazy, and incompetent in bed, so just let me have my way with you without giving anything in return" and yes, it "matters" to women. So you're just going to make up some random stuff? the whole complaint about not being able to get a woman, and low childbirth, is mainly a western (privileged?) phenomenon. if you’re rich enough to get married and raise a child, then you can absolutely afford the cup meth… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 06:08 AM |
| -2 | Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap.Women aren't entitled to an orgasm just because they are having sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 06:05 AM |
| -2 | Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap.so if you know that, then why imply that women's orgasms are basically useless? They're unnecessary for fertilization. A woman can be impregnated without experiencing climax. The female orgasm really doesn't matter. At least some men have needed to experience orgasm to deposit enough sperm to impregnate a woman (precum alone will rarely do it and even that requires at least some sexual stimulation). If the only important thing is "turning sperms into babies for the survival of civilization," the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 05:42 AM |
| -1 | Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap.So do the romantically detached deserve no sympathy or support? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 04:19 AM |
| 0 | Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap.Sex is something of deeply fundamental significance to humans and the normal human experience. I have seen both men and women call it a need. I really get annoyed by the people trying to ignore its role in human existence. The reason we thirst for water is to stay alive so we can reproduce. Very few people are true asexuals or have such low libidos they can ignore it. Despite all of this the lack of imminent negative health consequences and the need for sex to involve multiple consenting parties… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 04:08 AM |
| 0 | Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap.I never said anything about a mandate to provide men sex or anyone sex. Making sex a right would create bizarre and unworkable conditions for the state. We have to accept that some people will be romantically unfulfilled, just like how we accept some people will end up poor, victimized by crime etc. We cannot save 100% of people from 100% of bad things. But we might be able to offer assistance or compensation to people on this issue. We are probably not at an optimal point in terms of relationsh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 03:42 AM |
| 1 | Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap.Both fundamentally involve a lack of sexual pleasure, something no one is entitled to. One group has some degree of academic and media sympathy, the other are viewed as potential terrorists and threats to the social order. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 03:31 AM |
| -1 | Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap.Do they deserve no support or sympathy? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 03:28 AM |
| -2 | Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap.Someone who had access to the study crunched the numbers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 03:26 AM |
| 0 | Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap.I basically agree with you on everything but I still think the orgasm gap actually is a social issue(you may just see it as less important than male sexlessness). I agree with premise b. There is no strong reason in my view why we shouldn't care about people's sexual well-being within reason and that includes teaching heterosexual men to value getting women off. It also means trying to assist the sexually and romantically frustrated males in our society. Both can be done while still respecting b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 03:19 AM |
| -2 | Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap.But y’all don’t take the orgasm gap seriously. Yall think women can get on an app and have sex with a random man and she will come out the ordeal satisfied. Women’s sexlessness isn’t rare. Women were found more likely than men to use Tinder for casual sex in a Belgian study (locked study) even though women are less likely to enjoy one night stands. You’re thinking so hard that you’re going past the point. Are female or male orgasms necessary for survival? No. If you are left unsheltered, with no… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 03:11 AM |
| 0 | Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap.But for decades now there has been a notable sub discipline within feminist academics about something called the "orgasm gap". Wikipedia has a page on it that serves as a useful primer. A quick google search yields numerous articles from around the world in serious mainstream news sources, prominent blogs, Scientific American, publicly funded universities, and science journals on the subject. So, this lack of sexual pleasure many women experience is seen as a pretty big deal and has been for a w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 03:03 AM |
| 2 | Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap.What browser do you use? I did get that article (it was the only mainstream one on my first page) but it was after a bunch of click bait stuff and another article abut why incels are wrong. https://i.imgur.com/JDcTG4W.png https://i.imgur.com/khRDGwt.png What is being done, not just discussed, about either subject? Regarding the orgasm gap, men are being told to do better. Regarding males sexlessness, men are being told to do better. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 03:01 AM |
| -3 | Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap.If it wasn't no one would talk about it or publish written pieces on it for professional journals or news media outlets. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 02:46 AM |
| 2 | Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap.Thoughtful responce, I mostly agree. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 02:26 AM |
| 2 | Ethically sex shouldn’t be considered a fundamental need like food, water and shelter.It depends what kind of sexual act. If it's just casual sex with no intention of having kids the costs may be small. If it's to have kids it may or may not save money down the line. Certain pro-natalist polices may end up paying for themselves over time as children grow up to become tax paying adults. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 02:23 AM |
| 1 | Ethically sex shouldn’t be considered a fundamental need like food, water and shelter.So then you're only partially against subsidizing sex? I'm more open to different subsidies. Thats the only difference between us. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 02:07 AM |
| -3 | Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap.Either as a gendered issue impacting women are a general issues impacting people researchers will study things like loneliness. Males loners are studies insofar as they are considered dangers and threats to the social order. The main reason why we don't care as much is because of a general lack of empathy for male losers, in my view. They are likely evolutionary dead ends and don't really matter to society. All that matters is making sure they don't blow up and hurt others. There isn't really mu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 02:01 AM |
| 7 | Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap.Scientific papers in professional journals are published on the phenomena. It's clearly something some people take seriously. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 01:41 AM |
| 2 | Ethically sex shouldn’t be considered a fundamental need like food, water and shelter.Sex may not be a need but it is highly sought after amongst people and much of human life revolves around pursuing nad maintaining intimate relationships. We subsidize some recreational and communal activities. Modest investment in helping people have more sex, start more relationships, or have more kids isn't really that crazy. A variety of policies around the world are already de facto or de jure pro-natalist. I'm not necessarily against helping pay for viagra or birth control per se, I would … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 01:40 AM |
| 1 | Sex is really only a physical need...Thats one of the issues with the program and one of the reasons why I doubt subsidizing for those who are not disabled would work. There is no obvious way to vet the non-disabled. There are many other ideas on what could be done to help the romantically failed but as I've stated in other posts these are all ideas in development and we are really only at the beginning of this. If you expect detailed pieces of legislation I am not there yet. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 01:27 AM |
| -6 | Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap.I'm aware, as I mentioned in my post modern medical procedures do mean that humans can now reproduce without the sexual act. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 01:23 AM |
| 2 | Ethically sex shouldn’t be considered a fundamental need like food, water and shelter.Are you being for real right now? Yes, why not? If it happens in some places why not others? Given that the Federal government already spends over 6 trillion per year (I'm an American), I don't see much harm in reaching out and helping the socially or sexually frustrated make more friends or have more sex or at least offer them compensation for mental anguish (direct cash transfers, subsidized therapy). There aren't that many of them so the costs probably won't be very high. At present governmen… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 01:20 AM |
| 1 | Sex is really only a physical need...It's one of many ways to help sexually frustrated individuals have safe, legal, and consensual sex. For many adults subsidizing would be unnecessary. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 01:12 AM |
| -7 | Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap.The female orgasm is unnecessary only insofar as it does nothing in the fertilization process, whereas the male orgasm delivers the seminal fluid and sperm. I do personally believe that every time women have sex they should reasonably expect at least one orgasm from the experience. It's not that difficult to make happen (though some women are much easier than others) it just requires some combination of stamina and clitoral stimulation in my experience. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 01:11 AM |
| 6 | Male sexlessness should be taken about as seriously as the orgasm gap.Thanks for approving the post! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 01:08 AM |
| 1 | Sex is really only a physical need...You only engaged one possible idea I have and never even asked if I have others. I'm not against being creative and thinking of different ways to help people socialize, have more sex, get married etc. You and I are mostly in agreement. You just need to be willing to extend more sympathy to those who are not socially well networked or sexually successful. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 12:07 AM |
| 2 | Sex is really only a physical need...No woman ever even needs to have an orgasm for the species to continue, but the orgasm gap is considered a legitimate issue within feminism. I think we could put general sexlessness in a similar category. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 12:02 AM |
| 1 | Sex is really only a physical need...I personally think this threat is highly overstated. I'm also unsure why you suddenly want to talk about terrorism. I'm having a talk about helping the romantically, socially, and sexually frustrated/unsuccessful who you seem to see as all potential terrorists. There is a non-0 chance someone from any group could be dangerous. How does this help people who are alone find a husband or wife? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/07/24 12:00 AM |
| 0 | Ethically sex shouldn’t be considered a fundamental need like food, water and shelter.There may be ways to assist the sexually frustrated that don't involve undermining anyone else's bodily autonomy. You may even be able to argue the romantically unsuccessful don't have a right to sex but they have a right to assistance in getting it or compensation for lack of it. While I'm certainly aware that many may strongly object to these ideas it needs to be understand that within existing Western policy frameworks there is some limited attention being paid to this issue, mainly as it per… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/24 11:36 PM |
| 1 | Sex is really only a physical need...If someone is actually on a terror watchlist or is a wanted terrorist I doubt they will be able to access to public goods, services, and welfare the way people not considered threats are. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/24 11:35 PM |
| 1 | Sex is really only a physical need...I never mentioned "incels". Incel is a non-scientific term that I would prefer to avoid using. Regardless of how you define it I would be willing to offer more support for people who struggle socially and romantically. If some individuals with morally reprehensible beliefs benefit I would be willing to accept that in the same way I accept that some morally reprehensible individuals benefit from existing transfer policies. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/24 11:28 PM |
| 1 | Sex is really only a physical need...Do you consider the disabled individuals in places like Denmark, the UK, or the Netherlands who take advantage of state financed or charitable opportunities to have sex morally equivalent to terrorists? Do you consider all romantically unsuccessful individuals morally equivalent to terrorists? Why? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/24 10:25 PM |
| 9 | How do you believe that the dating world is working?Dating worked for older people (over 40) and works for some people now who are usually good looking or well networked socially. There is a non-trivial minority of people (mostly men) who dating culture is a complete nightmare zone. They have no way in and are excluded from the party. That leads to legitimate frustration. For people who do date I think there are real problems with time and money wasted amongst many other issues they aren't really thinking about. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/24 10:15 PM |
| 1 | Sex is really only a physical need...The public would need to approve of those views and it's not going to happen. Only time will tell. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/24 10:12 PM |
| 3 | How do you believe that the dating world is working?I think it's like getting a job, in some ways. A majority of people who want a job do get one. But basically everyone I know who isn’t a Baby Boomer does not like the job search and interview process. Men, women, different races, blue collar or college educated. No one really likes it. A major complaint I hear is that dating is like a job interview you have to pay for if you can get one at all. It’s a bizarre and sometimes expensive dance with a fairly high rate of failure (how much dating actua… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/24 10:06 PM |
| 2 | How do you believe that the dating world is working?Historically, the alternative was matchmaking and arranged marriages which the majority of the population would oppose. Even in the freest circumstances men and women were under pretty strong social and economic pressure to court quickly, accept what they could get, and marry fast. Dating culture is kind of a post WW2 thing but there really is no way to opt out of it and still be romantically connected with others. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/24 10:04 PM |
| 2 | How do you believe that the dating world is working?A majority of Americans are homeowners as well, most people understand the housing market isn't optimal at this point in history. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/24 09:51 PM |
| 1 | Sex is really only a physical need...Was designed to correct discrimination in education and the workforce, which is a protected right. Sex is not, because it requires consent. Thats really debatable. The ins and outs of affirmative action are complex to say the least, but it isn't obvious any employer must hire someone or schools must accept people except because a government tells them to. For much of history is was presumed employers and schools had a right not to hire or accept anyone for any reason. If these things are rights … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/24 09:40 PM |
| 1 | Sex is really only a physical need...So people don't have a right to advocate for things like special privileges? Are you against things like affirmative action? Also, how do you know the handicapped don't have a right to this type of support? Do they have rights to the public funding other types of things they want even if they can work? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/24 08:51 PM |
| 1 | Sex is really only a physical need...How do you know? Almost no one supported gay marriage in the 1970s. Most humans a few hundred years ago did not have the same attitudes you and I do now. It's possible a good politician could convince them it may be a good idea. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/24 08:47 PM |
| 1 | Sex is really only a physical need...What rights have they been denied? In what way have they been oppressed? None, that does not mean they can't become politically organized to advocate better treatment or a higher quality of life.1 People are allowed to get organized over any issue they want. For example, what rights have fat people been denied? None, that I know of, they simply advocate on better representation, services to accommodate their body types, treatment, augmentation of beauty standards etc. Similarly, the disabled, tr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/24 08:46 PM |
| 1 | Sex is really only a physical need...Perhaps they should. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/24 08:42 PM |
| 1 | Sex is really only a physical need...That’s just your opinion. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/24 08:34 PM |
| 1 | Sex is really only a physical need...The govt provides it because those people live on govt funds due to their disability. If you are not disabled you can pay for your own sex worker. I know, thats what I said. Limited government funding goes to helping the disabled have sex. Who is lobbying for paid sex workers for the lgtbq+ community? They were denied the same rights as straight people for marriage and sex in many countries. Celibates are not. No one. The analogy is that both groups (romantically unsuccessful and LGBTQ+) are rel… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/24 08:27 PM |
| 1 | Sex is really only a physical need...This issue presents far differently in men than it does women. Yes, however the issue is largely hormonal (testosterone) not social. Attempting to steer men toward a belief that sex isn't that important is unhealthy and borders on antiquated forms of sexual repression. It's perfectly normal for men to want to have sex. In other countries, men hold hands, they kiss each other as a greeting, and even hug each other quite often. This is done purely within the realm of friendship. Men are free to pu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/24 08:21 PM |
| 2 | Sex is really only a physical need...I'm not interested in ensuring absolutely everyone who wants to get married or has sex gets to. 100% is not my goal as that would be an absurd goal for almost anything. I simply want to increase the number of opportunities people have to do those things on some margins. In the past few years the rise of sexless and romantically detached individuals has become more prominent. I believe we can and should do better through both public and private (charitable?) means. We should at least try before w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/24 07:59 PM |
| 2 | Sex is really only a physical need...A few people (men and women) voluntarily abstain from sex and join monastic communities and it doesn't appear to have negative health consequences for them. It's rare, and becoming rarer, but real. But there are actually some long term negative health consequences that come from a lack of socialization and even touch for adults. For infants a lack of appropriate touch or interaction can be dangerous, possibly deadly. As a species that reproduces sexually, and is therefore strongly ordered toward… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/24 07:46 PM |
| 2 | Sex is really only a physical need...The other social media could become de facto dating services. I personally feel that would be no big issue as many social media platforms predated the major dating apps and in my view they are much better for it anyway. The government signed a law that will ban Tiktok within a year of the law's signage if major changes aren't made to it. The state has the power to do this despite what young people may or may not want. Dating apps are mostly unknown to the older people who didn't want Tiktok and … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/24 07:42 PM |
| 0 | Sex is really only a physical need...Using tax or spending policy to try and assist the romantically unsuccessful find a partner is not as ludicrous as the notion we can trigger a radical new stage in human evolution. There is some evidence pro-natalist policies work, for example, so it is possible for us to use policy to motivate more sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/24 07:32 PM |
| 2 | Sex is really only a physical need...A lack of physical contact with others can actually be very bad for one's health (though not immediately deadly) as loneliness reduces life expectancy. Lack of exposure to other human beings is also detrimental to one's well-being which is one reason why solitary confinement is so damaging. Amongst infants lack of proper socialization and touch can be dangerous to the point of even being deadly. Marriage, family, and intimate relationships are clearly of great personal and social significance. S… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/24 07:25 PM |
| 2 | Sex is really only a physical need...Some will get a lot of it, some will get a little, and some will get none at all. There’s nothing that can really be done to change that so I don’t know what you guys plan to accomplish with all this stuff. This is just a defeatist attitude. At present, how we tax and spend already has an impact on partner formation through indirect means. There are other ways we could try to help the romantically and socially unsuccessful. The idea we have no politcal buttons, dials, or levers to work with is n… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/24 07:22 PM |
| 0 | Sex is really only a physical need...You can’t lobby the government to make someone fuck I never advocated for that, and I never will. However, there may be a myriad of ways in which we could attempt to help the romantically unsuccessful. It simply requires some creativity of thought. While I'm certainly aware that many may strongly object to these ideas it needs to be understand that within existing Western policy frameworks there is some limited attention being paid to this issue, mainly as it pertains to those who are disabled. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/24 07:06 PM |
| 1 | Sex is really only a physical need...People have done a lot over the past 100-150 years across the world lobbying governments to establish large cash transfer programs. People who meet certain criteria (disability, old age, poor health, unemployed) can and do receive cash assistance even if they are in a non-life threatening position. As a quality of life issue I generally support a welfare state for the economically unsuccessful. I see no reason why the socially and romantically unsuccessful shouldn't lobby on their own behalf giv… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/24 06:54 PM |
| -1 | Sex is really only a physical need...A lack of physical contact with others can actually be very bad for one's health (though not immediately deadly) as loneliness reduces life expectancy. Lack of exposure to other human beings is also detrimental to one's well-being which is one reason why solitary confinement is so damaging. Amongst infants lack of proper socialization and touch can be dangerous to the point of even being deadly. In most temperate climates the homeless won't immediately die because of exposure, but people do reco… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/07/24 06:49 PM |
| 1 | I think it's pathetic that if you dig deeper, most of TRP criticisms about how unjust society is for men boil down to "I can't control my wife anymore"Sorry, I didn't know about your personal defintion of what a whiner was until you told me today lol. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/07/24 06:17 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Women should not have to make outfit choices based on the creepiness of malesFor me it depends on how revealing which can be a difficult and somewhat subjective judgment call. I do think decency laws can be legitimate. Regardless, you’re not against the idea that clothing in general should be consequence free. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/24 11:41 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Women should not have to make outfit choices based on the creepiness of malesWearing clothes should have consequences? Ew dude. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/24 10:39 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Women should not have to make outfit choices based on the creepiness of malesSo should wearing clothing have consequences or not? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/24 10:30 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Women should not have to make outfit choices based on the creepiness of malesI agree with you in the sense we can’t regulate speech very much or in precise ways. I personally think harassment based on anything (including what someone wears) is almost always going to be immoral. If someone is naked in public that’s another thing but 99% of the time harassment over what we wear is going to be wrong. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/24 10:28 PM |
| 2 | CMV: Women should not have to make outfit choices based on the creepiness of malesIf someone is walking around with a swastika on their shirt and a confederate flag hat do you honestly believe there should or will be no consequences? Obviously, the issue isn’t about being non-judgmental based on what people wear but other things like people feeling safe in public. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/24 10:25 PM |
| 2 | I think it's pathetic that if you dig deeper, most of TRP criticisms about how unjust society is for men boil down to "I can't control my wife anymore"I said that there is nothing currently being done (to my knowledge), not that there aren’t possible fixes. At present I don’t have many fully fleshed out ideas. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/24 09:58 PM |
| 2 | I think it's pathetic that if you dig deeper, most of TRP criticisms about how unjust society is for men boil down to "I can't control my wife anymore"You never even asked if I had solutions or ideas. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/24 08:09 PM |
| 6 | CMV: Women should not have to make outfit choices based on the creepiness of malesWhat rights do people have to interact with others in public? In theory free speech+sexual revolution could mean men (and women) can and should have a right to be as explicit as they want even in public places which could include catcalling. You should be allowed to proposition anyone (adult) at anytime as long as you are not in a place that has explicitly prohibited that type of behavior. There might still be some limit on harassment, but you could probably argue everyone gets at least one chan… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/24 08:08 PM |
| 1 | CMV: Women should not have to make outfit choices based on the creepiness of malesThere are some legitimate edge issues to this topic. If you tell a woman, especially one you know through work, school, or church that you think her new haircut or outfit is beautiful is that harassment? What if it’s a woman you don’t know that well? You can flip that for men just the same. What constitutes staring vs a glance and why don’t people in public have a right to look at others? Once you’ve entered the public sphere you have in some sense conceded some total right to privacy. Other hum… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/24 08:01 PM |
| 6 | CMV: Women should not have to make outfit choices based on the creepiness of malesOur culture doesn’t sexualize topless males the way it does topless women for the obvious reason that women’s breasts are a secondary sex characteristic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/24 07:47 PM |
| 1 | I think it's pathetic that if you dig deeper, most of TRP criticisms about how unjust society is for men boil down to "I can't control my wife anymore"No, not at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/24 07:15 PM |
| 3 | I think it's pathetic that if you dig deeper, most of TRP criticisms about how unjust society is for men boil down to "I can't control my wife anymore"I have pretty strong disagreements with this sentiment. Self-improvement isn’t wrong per se but in some sense I don’t like people being constantly told to keep running on the treadmill of self-improvement, especially if they already are and it isn’t working. There was once this notion of “just be yourself”. If someone fairly normal is being told they need to massively overhaul who they are just to do something fairly typical that may say something about the system they live in and will probably … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/24 07:13 PM |
| 2 | I think it's pathetic that if you dig deeper, most of TRP criticisms about how unjust society is for men boil down to "I can't control my wife anymore"That’s basically how all social issues are initially addressed, people complaining something isn’t good. Do you just accept all aspects of reality as set and that no one should ever notice or care if something is suboptimal? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/24 06:49 PM |
| 2 | I think it's pathetic that if you dig deeper, most of TRP criticisms about how unjust society is for men boil down to "I can't control my wife anymore"A majority of people who want a job get one. But basically everyone I know who isn’t a Baby Boomer does not like the job search and interview process. Men, women, different races, blue collar or college educated. No one really likes it. A major complaint I hear is that dating is like a job interview you have to pay for if you can get one at all. It’s a bizarre and sometimes expensive dance with a fairly high rate of failure (how much dating actually leads to (LTRs?). A lot of dates are awkward a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/24 06:33 PM |
| 1 | I think it's pathetic that if you dig deeper, most of TRP criticisms about how unjust society is for men boil down to "I can't control my wife anymore"Dating is not a great system in my view. It works for some people, certainly a majority, but it’s honestly pretty inefficient and there are no good alternatives for people who are bad at it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/24 05:58 PM |
| 2 | I think it's pathetic that if you dig deeper, most of TRP criticisms about how unjust society is for men boil down to "I can't control my wife anymore"I.e.: Dating as a short man is impossible because women only go for men above 6'0". If you have autism, you're not even considered as a participant in the dating field. Dating for short men is more difficult (not impossible, but it's a major handicap). Neorodivergent men are much less likely to ever get married or have kids. Autism is a big hit to a man's ability to ever date. BP emerged because TRP doesn't actually work for men who are already romantically unsuccessful. Telling some guy who is … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/24 04:38 PM |
| 3 | I think it's pathetic that if you dig deeper, most of TRP criticisms about how unjust society is for men boil down to "I can't control my wife anymore"TRP turned into the BP because Redpill advice was always doomed to fail, and for many men ultimately did fail. It was always a grift and for years people knew that TRP was nonsense. BP stuff has serious issues but there is at least some basis in sociological, anthropological, and even genetic research that does show some men are for a variety of reasons going to find it very difficult or impossible to find a romantic partner. A lot of generic advice that ultimately puts you on a decades long jou… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/24 04:35 PM |
| 1 | I think it's pathetic that if you dig deeper, most of TRP criticisms about how unjust society is for men boil down to "I can't control my wife anymore"This list illustrates how for every way one group struggles, there is a reasonable explanation, and/or a counter complaint from the other group. Regarding all of these facts, there are deeper subtleties and nuances. A few sentences devoted to each issue can't fully capture all of the dynamics at play. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/24 04:27 PM |
| 1 | I think it's pathetic that if you dig deeper, most of TRP criticisms about how unjust society is for men boil down to "I can't control my wife anymore"You don't know anything about me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/24 04:24 PM |
| 1 | I think it's pathetic that if you dig deeper, most of TRP criticisms about how unjust society is for men boil down to "I can't control my wife anymore"I didn't ask if you did a census count on how many there are. I asked if you found them amusing. Anyway, if men aren't entitled to sex, then women aren't entitled to sexual pleasure. Maybe the ladies on FDS should just masturbate more? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/24 04:04 PM |
| 1 | I think it's pathetic that if you dig deeper, most of TRP criticisms about how unjust society is for men boil down to "I can't control my wife anymore"Do you find the phenomenons of angry single women who complain about lack of datable men and the orgasm gap amusing? If not, why not? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/24 03:53 PM |
| 0 | I think it's pathetic that if you dig deeper, most of TRP criticisms about how unjust society is for men boil down to "I can't control my wife anymore"Women are slightly more than half the population and in places like the USA are more than half the voting population. To say that they have no role in perpetuating any unfairness towards men or themselves is probably wrong. They're free adults capable of making independent decisions. Keep in mind how well organized women are, politically, on their own behalf relative to men who have no meaningful politcal organization (no, a bunch of morons in the "manosphere" girfting off of jaded 25 y/o guys o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/24 03:23 PM |
| 1 | I think it's pathetic that if you dig deeper, most of TRP criticisms about how unjust society is for men boil down to "I can't control my wife anymore"From what I understand "TRP" is primarily, if not totally, focused on dating. This subreddit is also principally devoted to issues of sex, romance, and dating between men and women (I almost never see anything about homosexual or lesbian romantic issues). I never see women on here talk about issues like the wage gap so why would I expect to see men talk about things like drug abuse or high school dropouts? My guess is that most of the single male users here are fairly well adjusted in all ways b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/24 03:02 PM |
| 6 | Men NEED sex. The use of prostitution should be normalized, legalized, and recommended for struggling men.No one needs sex per se. A few people (men and women) voluntarily abstain from sex and join monastic communities and it doesn't appear to have negative health consequences for them. It's rare, and becoming rarer, but real. That said, sex is probably one of the biggest motivating forces in human existence and is very obviously a high priority for the majority of people. Sex and physical intimacy are often ranked as the greatest human experiences, or some of the greatest, that people can have. I t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/24 07:12 AM |
| 3 | A Woman with ''No Kids and Not Fat'' is actually a high standard compared to the average manYou're confusing Emma's looks with her super star status. At any American high school she would have probably been rated as mid to upper mid. Plenty of non-celebrity women are better looking. As for being attractive mattering . . . The aim of the paper is to discover how important physical attractiveness is in finding a partner and in the type of partnership sought. Two surveys (2975 and 3004 by the CIS) and several methods were employed: linear probability models and fixed-effect multi-level mo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/24 07:07 AM |
| -1 | Men NEED sex. The use of prostitution should be normalized, legalized, and recommended for struggling men.I never really believed this. I agree women want sex and may even see it as a "need" but it's not the same as for men. If women had sexual desires like men the average and median number of lifetime partners heterosexual women and men have (median of about 6-8) would probably be higher and perhaps closer to homosexual men's numbers (median of about 10-22). If women enjoyed intimacy as much as they claim, they could very easily procure it at any given time, especially via modern online dating plat… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/07/24 06:38 AM |
| 7 | A Woman with ''No Kids and Not Fat'' is actually a high standard compared to the average manI'm surprised you're so shocked (even upset?) that regular guys think that most regular women are as good looking as a super celebrity you find beautiful. It's not really a big deal even if you think she is really beautiful. Being facially unattractive doesn't impose the same penalties on women as it does for men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/24 10:14 PM |
| 8 | A Woman with ''No Kids and Not Fat'' is actually a high standard compared to the average manHonestly, most of the girls (50-75%) in my high school growing up looked as good or better than Emma Watson. She's 5'5, thin, cute, but certainly not a model. When I think of beautiful women in Hollywood I think of women more like Gwyneth Paltrow, especially when we was young (under 40). I don't think Emma Watson was ever a sex symbol for men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/24 04:39 PM |
| 2 | Is Polygyny the future?Why not settle for a more normal or average partner as an alternative? That seems like a reasonable alternative compared to being alone or getting played. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/24 04:14 PM |
| 1 | Is Polygyny the future?Because most people get into relationships for love and to start families. Thats honestly mostly a modern phenomena. The majority of all human cultures always regulated sex and marriage to varying degrees and marriages (even amongst the poor) had some strategic reasoning behind them. Thats not to say love was 0% of the equation, but it was not really a major motivating factor. Even in situations where people were basically free to pick their partners like the 19th century USA things like poverty… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/24 04:07 PM |
| 1 | Is Polygyny the future?There's genetic evidence showing little reproductive skew, hence little polygyny in our ancestors; Anthropological evidence strongly shows this with most societies allowing moderate polygamy. Genetic Skew is also explained by other factors, like patrilocal marriages; I never said it wasn't or couldn't be. But none of that disproves polygamy being the norm, which you freely admit. Most marriages were arranged or influenced by parents, even in pre-history, meaning sexual selection is also limited … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/24 03:51 PM |
| 1 | Is Polygyny the future?A genetic study by Walker et Al found that there was very little reproductive skew among hunter-gatherers, indicating low levels of polygyny. This could suggest enforced monogamy and regulated polygyny even in ancient pre-history. That is, humans trying to put a check on our natural inclinations. They also confirmed that most marriages in pre-history were arranged. In fact, for women, among Hunter-Gatherer Societies and mixed Hunter-Gatherer societies, which are the original subsitence methods o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/24 03:51 PM |
| 1 | Is Polygyny the future?I think many people are drawn to monogamy but if we do enter some type of "post-scarcity" world be it communist or something else the need for marriage as we know it will continue to decline. I've seen it estimated that 1 in 3 young adults will never marry. This means that plausibly, one-third of men and women who turn 45 in 2050 (those who are about 18 or 19 today) will not have married. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/24 02:29 PM |
| 1 | Is Polygyny the future?From Wikipedia. Worldwide, different societies variously encourage, accept or outlaw polygamy. In societies which allow or tolerate polygamy, polygyny is the accepted form in the vast majority of cases. According to the Ethnographic Atlas Codebook, of 1,231 societies noted between from 1960 to 1980, 588 had frequent polygyny, 453 had occasional polygyny, 186 were monogamous, and 4 had polyandry[5] – although more recent research found some form of polyandry in 53 communities, which is more commo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/24 02:13 AM |
| 3 | Is Polygyny the future?By middle age a lot of those women are often already married or divorced and not willing to remarry and many are menopausal or going to be. Despite all of that the average age gap in the USA is still something like 2 or 3 years IIRC. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/24 02:07 AM |
| 2 | Is Polygyny the future?Thats true. But the women don't have to date older men, they could still go for men roughly their own age. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/24 01:45 AM |
| 1 | Is Polygyny the future?Delusion. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/24 01:43 AM |
| 1 | Is Polygyny the future?Women didn’t really gain from it until modern day. In the past her sexual, physical and emotional needs were largely ignored. Across the grand sweep of human history most people's sexual, emotional, and physical needs were ignored. Actually experiencing pleasure or happiness at all (especially for prolonged periods of time) were not the norm or something to seriously consider in the Neolithic or bronze, or middle ages. Survival was your day to day goal and reproduction was a part of that. Yes, I… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/24 01:38 AM |
| 0 | Is Polygyny the future?A lot of straight men overestimate their SMV and think that they'll do well swapping and swinging. I was reading a NYT article about a polyamorous group and it seemed as if only some of the men were actually doing that well. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/24 01:29 AM |
| 0 | Is Polygyny the future?These types of arguments get repeated again and again here: Because they are highly plausible and fit in well with other lines of data. Polygamy being the most commonly observed method of family formation globally, women being hypergamous relative to men in the modern free world (and therefore likely in the past, if given the option), and people having more female ancestors are all highly suggestive that humans are polygamous and hypergamous. There is no reason to believe we are naturally monoga… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/24 01:27 AM |
| 1 | Is Polygyny the future?I know, thats why it's always men who are against polygamy. Women gain by being with more elite males. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/24 01:01 AM |
| 0 | Is Polygyny the future?Most feminists are socialists who want to redistribute wealth and power. Women also tend to favor redistributionist policies relative to men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/24 12:59 AM |
| 0 | Is Polygyny the future?Dating and hookup culture may or may not be feminist or feminist approved (I didn't mention feminism here), but they are not patriarchal at all. If anything it's closer to the "gay lifestyle". STDs are a red hearing in this. The reason they spread slowly amongst heterosexuals is because of how selective women are relative to men for a variety of reasons often related to hypergamy. A major component of this is not STD's, its culture. Most observed cultures, including African ones where STDs are m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/24 12:54 AM |
| -1 | Is Polygyny the future?The average man isn’t going to provide that lifestyle to women: he can barely afford to provide it to one. Which is why he will have fewer partners and fewer progeny. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/24 12:51 AM |
| -2 | Is Polygyny the future?I don't need my husband's "genetics" on a daily basis. His "genentics" do not take the garbage out. His "genetics" do not comfort me if I am having a hard day. If you have children, they will be using his genetics for the rest of their lives. All women have to think of that if they want kids. We are a species that reproduces sexually and men are clearly under greater selective pressure than women. You also ignored my argument about resources. Some women might be better of sharing a rich man than… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/24 12:48 AM |
| -4 | Is Polygyny the future?That doesn't sound like too bad a deal for the women. They got babies with high status men they don't have to be around and the men are still required to give financial support. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/07/24 12:36 AM |
| 1 | Is Polygyny the future?It is possible that is only true for now because the patriarchy brainwashed them into thinking that way. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/24 11:32 PM |
| 1 | Is Polygyny the future?Please share the specific ways that what you've noted is a benefit to women, much less such a benefit to women on a large enough scale that it would become "the future." We can speculate that this could be our future because this was our past. You have more female ancestors than male ones, about twice as many, actually. Absent enforced monogamy men become much more variable in their reproductive and sexual success with a small number of elite males getting large numbers of partners and many men … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/24 11:31 PM |
| 1 | Is Polygyny the future?According to whom? Where did you get this number from? The data is based on released information from OKCupid around 2009 which found women rated about 80% of men as below average in terms of looks. OKCupid and other online dating services have since been very reluctant to ever release internal data to the public, likely because on the rare occasions they do, it appears as though their services are worthless for large numbers of male users. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/24 11:23 PM |
| -1 | Is Polygyny the future?Women's adherence to monogamy is really just them upholding the last vestige of patriarchy left in the Western world. I find it ironic because I generally don't think we live in a patriarchy, but if there is one patriarchal value left it's probably the (mostly nominal) adherence to monogamy. All the people in this post saying women don't actually want to share a man grew up in a culture that emphasized and celebrates monogamy and castigates cheaters as immoral. There is no reason to think that m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/24 11:13 PM |
| 1 | Is Polygyny the future?Thats what I'm talking about in my post. When I say polygamy here I am only referring to polygyny. Simply put it's much more common than polyandry. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/24 11:00 PM |
| 0 | Is Polygyny the future?Humans are naturally somewhat polygamous, with the vast majority of all observed cultures being moderately polygynous so I honestly think that there is a possible future where polygamy gets normalized as "just another lifestyle". Based on genetic research it's been shown that for every man who ever had offspring, about two women did. Absent religion (and the law to back it), there is no obvious secular argument against polygamy I can think of. I've noticed a lot of women are now fine with ethica… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/07/24 10:47 PM |
| 1 | How would women feel if someday android women become more popular among men for dates and relationships?It's a sad state of affairs. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/24 11:37 PM |
| 1 | Getting hobbies is useless advice for dating.We get what we put out in this life and if you want to be valued you have to be willing to value another I don't agree, fully. Over the course of a lifetime most people will work hard and get some of what they want, but no one gets everything they want and many fail to actualize. Some people's lives are completely wasted. The ideal career, income, house, travel experience etc often elude people no matter how much of an honest effort they gave. The main focus of this sub is to look at one key asp… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/24 06:17 PM |
| 1 | Getting hobbies is useless advice for dating.This comment so perfectly encapsulates the behavior of a large number of women on here and what they "contribute" to the "discussion" on subs like this. Wasting your time on an obscure reddit sub extracting joy from losers by trying to needle them about how they're losers instead of actually talking about anything of substance. Don't expect much sympathy if you're going to be so open about your intentions. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/24 03:00 PM |
| 1 | Getting hobbies is useless advice for dating.Personally, I'm not very interested in ever getting married (I have some basic standards if the opportunity came up but I'm mostly apathetic) and I never felt it made sense to travel for the sake of finding a wife or husband. To me thats sounds like the bad "get a hobby" advice. Travel for its own sake. Love should happen more organically. My main concern is more for other people in the church who want a family as well as the long term viability of some churches as young adults leave and those w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/24 02:43 PM |
| 1 | Getting hobbies is useless advice for dating.This sub has about 130K subs and a few hundred active users at any time, so whatever "hatred" you see on here if of trivial significance. Regardless, you don't actually know anything about anyone's real life on here beyond whatever extremely limited information they give you and most of this "hatred" is just people complaining about how difficult they find certain aspects of life. The main aspect of life they struggle with being trying to find love. Oddly, there are no women on here who ever com… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/24 06:32 AM |
| 7 | How would women feel if someday android women become more popular among men for dates and relationships?The way you describe things makes me think some people (not just men) would rather voluntarily plug into a virtual reality machine like in the Matrix rather than deal with other people. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/24 04:47 AM |
| 1 | Getting hobbies is useless advice for dating.By the low standards of straw men, this one is still pretty weak. I've never met anyone in the real world who talks like that. I'm sure they're out there, hiding in the shadows but this is an absurd caricature. Perhaps it's simply easier to dismiss the socially and romantically unsuccessful as moral failures rather than ponder if broader systemic factors are ever at play. But you've already dismissed any higher analysis. You can quote all the stats you want and give me all the break downs but if… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/24 04:43 AM |
| 2 | Getting hobbies is useless advice for dating.I have plenty of friends and have never had any problem getting along with people at any school or job I've ever had. Most people are basically respectful of each other. Plenty of people who are rude, annoying, or obnoxious still get married or find a partner and even make friends. Can you quantify the amount of "value" women (or people in general) deserve? Then help us measure the gap between the correct amount they do deserve and the amount these friendless or unpartnered individuals are givin… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/24 04:01 AM |
| 4 | Getting hobbies is useless advice for dating.I recall seeing a guy on Twitter so distraught a girl he liked at church had a boyfriend who was an atheist he apostatized. I would never ever tell anyone to ever do anything like that, but I kind of get the shock and heartbreak. This is actually an area where I won't compromise (no doubt to my detriment). But my faith is not some hobby and I could never be with someone who wasn't at least a Trinitarian Christian. I do find it strange, to say the least, that people value their faith that little … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/24 03:49 AM |
| 1 | Getting hobbies is useless advice for dating.I saw the Kirk Douglas movie. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/24 03:45 AM |
| 0 | Getting hobbies is useless advice for dating.My Church does but Christianity in America is also becoming older and more male. It's still about 50-50 male female but for the first time ever young women are less likely to be religious than men. Overall young adults are much religious now than ever. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/24 03:38 AM |
| 1 | Getting hobbies is useless advice for dating.If you're really talented and at the top of your class that will be attractive to women no matter how little they care about your field. I think sports might be a good example. Men are much more interested in sports then women to the point some women mock men for it. I've even seen some women on Reddit say that sports are boring/don't make men interesting and men use them as a substitute for a personality. Plenty of women are still drawn to men who are the best whether or not they care about foo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/24 03:36 AM |
| 17 | Getting hobbies is useless advice for dating.It's a Hail Mary to get men to go do something seen as a socially acceptable solution. The unending treadmill of "self-improvement". A lot of solutions offered to men usually involve having to spend money on getting in better shape, getting more education, getting a hobby etc. What ever happened to "just be yourself."? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/24 03:30 AM |
| 3 | Getting hobbies is useless advice for dating.Reading through the thread I think you are broadly correct, OP. Hobbies are meant to enrich your life on their own. If you make some friends along the way or even find your life partner thats even better. It's likely you will be able to make some male friends because most hobbies are fairly male dominated to begin with and as time goes on most people who still do hobbies are becoming more serious about them making the hobbies more exclusive with higher entry costs and steeper learning curves. Ve… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/24 03:19 AM |
| 3 | Getting hobbies is useless advice for dating.Telling men to "value women more" is as ambiguous and worthless a piece of advice as telling people who want more friends or to find a partner to get a hobby. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/24 02:59 AM |
| 2 | Getting hobbies is useless advice for dating.Is this meant to be a joke because all of this just involves having lots of money? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/24 02:53 AM |
| 1 | A good way to incentivize more women to have children. Would be guaranteeing that women could continue to chase their dreams as well.Thats true for everything. Probably no one gets exactly everything they want out of life. Including people who have no kids or a few and later realize they would have preferred even more. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/24 12:40 AM |
| 1 | A good way to incentivize more women to have children. Would be guaranteeing that women could continue to chase their dreams as well.I'm not quit sure what you are trying to say (argue?). Women want something but they don't really want it or have been tricked into wanting something they might otherwise not? As it stands women (and men) state they want more kids than they usually have. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/24 12:30 AM |
| 1 | A good way to incentivize more women to have children. Would be guaranteeing that women could continue to chase their dreams as well.Absolutely not. We need public schools. They need more funding. We don't need them, at least not all of them. Some public schools are great and shouldn't be touched imo. But the ones that have been failing for decades should just go. Spending per pupil has gone up a lot over the decades and it hasn't done much for GPAs or test scores. Kids only get 4 years in high school, they can't wait ten years for the adults to figure things out. They deserve an out. If you want to send your kid to private s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/24 12:28 AM |
| 1 | The sexuality of straight women is the driving force behind patriarchyIt's a just world fallacy I guess. You'd like to see some justice and hope that people who do the wrong thing don't get rewarded, sometimes repeatedly. Also it is very common amongst people like me who are not romantically successful to get hung up on these things. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/24 12:20 AM |
| 2 | A good way to incentivize more women to have children. Would be guaranteeing that women could continue to chase their dreams as well.The source is this gallup poll. Americans on average wanted 2.7 children. Women wanted about as many as many as men with 1% more preferring 3 or more children amongst people who wanted any kids at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/24 12:16 AM |
| 2 | The sexuality of straight women is the driving force behind patriarchyEarning an income is absolutely part of the energy invested into raising a child or running a household. Are you really going to discount someone's (male or female) 40 hour workweek as just not part of the bigger picture of having a family? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/24 12:09 AM |
| 3 | A good way to incentivize more women to have children. Would be guaranteeing that women could continue to chase their dreams as well.Overpopulation is sort of a myth imo. Women are not necessarily better off being unmarried. Married females are still living the longest with a gap to singles of 3.5–5.5 years so there are some benefits. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/06/24 12:07 AM |
| 2 | The sexuality of straight women is the driving force behind patriarchyBecause women's preferences are so ambiguous it complicates how men approach women. At least some men are able to make it work being more forward and even aggressive. I've met men who pretty openly told me that playing games, being rude, apathetic, or hitting on other women got them what they wanted. Far fewer have said playing the respectful route worked. It's fairly random but I see the good people do okay. I consider genuinely good behavior the ability to try and do and want whats best for th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/24 11:17 PM |
| 2 | The sexuality of straight women is the driving force behind patriarchyThats not really much of an argument and you kind of went of on a tangent there regarding relationship issues. The basic point I'm making is that genuinely nice people don't actually do that well and it's not obvious that women aren't attracted to assholes. You can dismiss our evidence, but you haven't presented much of your own. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/24 10:22 PM |
| 1 | A good way to incentivize more women to have children. Would be guaranteeing that women could continue to chase their dreams as well.What’s your suggestion, then? Less funding for education. Shut down failing schools instead of just indefinitely pouring money into them. Use the money to help parents with charter schools, vouchers for private schools etc. More homeschooling. Encourage kids start doing trades and work earlier. There are absolutely teenagers right now who would be better off learning skills in a bakery or bodyshop rather than sitting in a dysfunctional classroom learning something they'll likely forget in one mo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/24 09:59 PM |
| 1 | A good way to incentivize more women to have children. Would be guaranteeing that women could continue to chase their dreams as well.Marriage didn’t make me a fulfilled woman. I never felt that I achieved what I was supposed after I got married. How does your husband feel about this? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/24 09:50 PM |
| 2 | A good way to incentivize more women to have children. Would be guaranteeing that women could continue to chase their dreams as well.There is a gap in how many children the average woman has (1.6) and how many she says she wants (2.7). Those are the numbers last I checked. It's not that crazy to think of a few policy schemes to help her (the average woman) have one more kid. Also, stable birthrates tend to be a good thing over long periods of time so you don't end up with some huge number of elderly people and relatively few children, young adults, & middle aged people. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/24 09:40 PM |
| 3 | A good way to incentivize more women to have children. Would be guaranteeing that women could continue to chase their dreams as well.Schools aren't that great. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/24 09:32 PM |
| -1 | A good way to incentivize more women to have children. Would be guaranteeing that women could continue to chase their dreams as well.I'm not against the government helping families, in some ways it's a must. But I honestly just think women don't want children that much. I get polling shows the average woman says she wants 2.7 kids but only has 1.6 but really I think we should look at what they are doing and not what they are saying. The women I know who are having as many kids as they want are simply forgoing some income by being single mothers or only working part time. They're living in a smaller house or renting. They stop… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/24 09:31 PM |
| 4 | A good way to incentivize more women to have children. Would be guaranteeing that women could continue to chase their dreams as well.If the net impact of more male involvement (even if you think it's still not enough) is lower rates of marriage and lower rates of fertility there may be other problems. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/24 09:23 PM |
| 2 | A good way to incentivize more women to have children. Would be guaranteeing that women could continue to chase their dreams as well.It's not working. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/24 09:18 PM |
| 5 | The sexuality of straight women is the driving force behind patriarchyStudy Finds That Men Like Nice Women, But Not the Other Way Around (Study here) That doesn't mean that all the men who aren't nice are automatically assholes, but the evidence of women selecting against the assholes is weak. Taking the romantic initiative, being a bit aggressive, and even being a bit distant or apathetic seems to work. I saw this in high school, I saw it in college, I see it as a working adult of about 30. It makes plenty of sense that guys who are too shy, soft, and quiet don't… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/24 06:53 PM |
| 2 | The sexuality of straight women is the driving force behind patriarchyThe authors of each study postulate their ideas on why this happens, but I'm not here to make a strong causal argument, merely point out that there is a relationship between criminal and or anti-social behavior and improved reproductive success. Regarding sample size, as long as the sample is properly randomized it's usually going to be fine. In the case of gangs you typically can't generate large samples to begin with. Married men don't really refute this because they have slightly less sexual … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/24 06:39 PM |
| 3 | The sexuality of straight women is the driving force behind patriarchyThis is all pretty obviously incorrect, especially for the 21st century English speaking world. Across history women were about twice as likely to reproduce as men. They've always had some say in whose genes get to keep going, even in the most patriarchal of ages. Men exhibit more variability in reproductive success. Even now men are still much more likely to either end up fathering no children or multiple children to different women. Men are more likely to have no partners, or lots of partners.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/24 06:28 PM |
| 5 | The sexuality of straight women is the driving force behind patriarchyThis is pretty well supported stuff and not just limited to anecdotes about insane women marrying convicted serial killers or men on death row. Convicted criminal offenders had more children than individuals never convicted of a criminal offense. Criminal offenders also had more reproductive partners, were less often married, more likely to get remarried if ever married, and had more often contracted a sexually transmitted disease than non-offenders. Importantly, the increased reproductive succe… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/24 05:08 PM |
| 5 | The sexuality of straight women is the driving force behind patriarchyIt's a legitimate line of inquiry to try and understand the evolutionary origins of human mating patterns and understand why certain behaviors exist. I find this stuff intersting and I don't care about applying any of it to my personal life. I get that people are diverse but this all isn't just random and I like understanding the larger social and biological structures that influence human social outcomes, including sexual ones. Y’all will do anything to blame women for poor male behavior. Again… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/24 04:38 PM |
| 5 | The sexuality of straight women is the driving force behind patriarchyMen are less selective (which is actually a problem in and of itself) then women. A lot of things that might be seen as unattractive or problematic are just less of a problem for women. Neurodivergence, being short, or unattractive don't impose the same costs on women as they do for men regarding reproductive success. The same probably goes for being immoral. For a lot of men a woman is a woman and thats enough. Mental health Facial aesthetic Height | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/24 04:30 PM |
| 12 | The sexuality of straight women is the driving force behind patriarchyAnti-social and criminal men have more sexual success than their pro-social and non-criminal counterparts. There really is no reason for women to behave this way but they still do, likely in accordance with some innate desire this manifests itself as hybristophilia. As long as extroverted and aggressive men are more sexually successful other men will try to copy that behavior. In the extreme cases if it still imposes no costs then men will keep doing whatever they are doing even if its criminal.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/24 04:17 PM |
| 4 | The sexuality of straight women is the driving force behind patriarchyWomen very clearly select for social and economic success. They are also submissive relative to men which is why they rarely take the romantic initiative. Men are only responding to the incentives they have been given because they are the ones under greater selective pressure. Women prefer men who are more successful (at least ambitious) and outgoing. They have every opportunity to date down socially but don't. By virtue of just having a 4 year degree most women who graduate from college have ef… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/24 03:47 PM |
| 3 | The sexuality of straight women is the driving force behind patriarchyPatriarchy is a coequal production brought to us by human biology. Women have and continue to select for traits that make good patriarchs. Even the most anti-competition and feminist societies of the 20th century like the USSR and China still saw this. Men are not deluded in what women clearly prefer, they are responding to the incentives they have been given. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/24 03:35 PM |
| 1 | The sexuality of straight women is the driving force behind patriarchyThey were equal in poverty. You couldn't accumulate much wealth in 50K BC. But genetics still indicate they were unequal in reproductive success which is arguably the most important type of success. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/24 03:33 PM |
| 2 | The sexuality of straight women is the driving force behind patriarchyPrior to modern medicine (I'm thinking as recently as the late 19th century) pregnancy was a much greater risk for women in terms of maternal mortality, fetal loss, and infant mortality. Even now there are still dangers. Reproduction for the human female is just a bigger risk and investment. They couldn't afford to play as fast and loose as men and are still having to deal with pregnancy related health issues that men don't. Humans appear to have it somewhat worse than other animals in this rega… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/24 03:31 PM |
| 4 | The sexuality of straight women is the driving force behind patriarchyMate selection is mostly done by females within humans and always has been. Arguably, parental care has always been more equal than people let on. It's just feminists don't count working out of the home as parental care even though it all goes into supporting the family. Men will spend more time communing and working out of the home to ultimately earn more money. That is a form of parental care because an income is just as much a part of the whole process as changing diapers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/24 03:24 PM |
| 9 | The sexuality of straight women is the driving force behind patriarchyOn a micro level women will almost always choose a man who is more masculine than they are. That doesn't necessarily reveal what they want on a macro political level. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/24 03:20 PM |
| 8 | The sexuality of straight women is the driving force behind patriarchyWomen consistently show they prefer more aggressive, extroverted, neurotypical, taller, and physically larger men relative to the alternatives. When given maximal choice they will favor those traits over soft, introverted, neurodivergent, shorter, and physically weaker men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/24 03:10 PM |
| 2 | There are very few women considered "losers" and this leads to a kind of empathy gap between men and women.I don't really know. I'm not exactly sure how you would even assess or measure such a claim. Politically, I do think women are able to stay on the same page more than men but the difference isn't massive. On a personal level women can be nasty to each other though it's usually through verbal means like gossip. In high school basically no girls ever got into actual physical fights. It's mixed and depends on what level of society you are talking about. Office politics vs actual politics can be dif… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/24 12:47 AM |
| 1 | There are very few women considered "losers" and this leads to a kind of empathy gap between men and women.Women can be pretty vindictive and backstabbing, politically they do a much better job maintaining a unified front than men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/06/24 12:30 AM |
| 2 | Describe the average man dating experience ?Some people are single but not searching. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/24 10:04 PM |
| 3 | Who Opposes No-Fault Divorce?The lack of no-fault divorce prior to the mid 20th century wasn't perfect and imposed costs but so does having no-fault divorce. Any arrangement involves costs and benefits, positives and negatives. Neither system is perfect but it's obvious that the current system which includes no-fault divorce is much worse for some people. I'm open to the possibility that the net impact of no-fault divorce has been better for society. However, there are really no perfect solutions in policymaking, only trade… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/24 09:47 PM |
| – | Who Opposes No-Fault Divorce?No fault divorce pretty clearly ruined marriage. At the very least it was an early and major turning point that led to the gradual decline in the importance of marriage. Prior to the 1940s and 1950s the United States and most English speaking nations allowed divorce but you actually had to prove wrong doing like abandonment or adultery. About 30 years after no-fault became the norm marriage rates collapsed and there is no reason to believe they will ever rebound. Additionally, this isn't a syste… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/24 04:15 PM |
| 6 | If you bring nothing worth sleeping with, you should not be surprised when you don't get laid. This is not woman's faultThe blue pill is a bit like the black pill except you are supposed to just be happy about it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/24 01:13 PM |
| 5 | If you bring nothing worth sleeping with, you should not be surprised when you don't get laid. This is not woman's faultA major point of disagreement I have is that many individuals who are seen as undesirable now are not in my view. They have been made undesirable by the current system. There are a few ways where men might be worse than in the past (when marriage rates were much higher) such as having higher rates of obesity, but women are experiencing more obesity as well without equivalent penalties on their ability to date. I would recommend this thread. Just being a normal man who tries to self-improve is no… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/24 05:22 AM |
| 6 | If you bring nothing worth sleeping with, you should not be surprised when you don't get laid. This is not woman's faultOne idea is to offer sex-vouchers for the romantically unsuccessful to use at brothels. This has been done in at least one country in Europe for those who are physically disabled. The main obstacle for me is on how to vet non-disabled individuals and find a way for them to prove they are actually romantically unsuccessful and not just lying. If that can be done and no one still wants to accept them the money can be redeemed in cash and the person can at least be financially compensated. Other id… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/24 04:59 AM |
| 6 | If you bring nothing worth sleeping with, you should not be surprised when you don't get laid. This is not woman's faultI said all my solutions are still in development. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/24 04:51 AM |
| 6 | If you bring nothing worth sleeping with, you should not be surprised when you don't get laid. This is not woman's faultAs a species that reproduces sexually it is extremely difficult for the majority of mature adult males to repress their sexuality for long periods of time. Historically, religion tried to repress human sexuality, including male sexuality, but offered a relatively high chance that normal men could get married. Now our modern more secular and feminized society represses male heterosexuality somewhat while offering highly uncertain opportunities for procreation. Asking people not to want sex is act… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/24 04:49 AM |
| 8 | If you bring nothing worth sleeping with, you should not be surprised when you don't get laid. This is not woman's faultSelf-improvement is really not a viable option for men. If you aren't getting action gaining a few pounds of muscle or getting a raise worth $4-5K per year won't help. People will also advocate one should "just be yourself" which is confusing. The fact is most people are basically fine the way they are. It's the dating market that is broken, not the lonely souls in it. Most normal people as recently as the 2000s and 2010s could easily find a partner and a decent number still can. But a growing n… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/24 04:43 AM |
| 4 | If you bring nothing worth sleeping with, you should not be surprised when you don't get laid. This is not woman's faultThe internet has been around for a while now and these problems really didn't exist from 1994-2011. Then after grindr was a success with gay men Tinder came online and a bunch of copycat platforms followed. I do think they are the main culprit combined with some economic issues. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/24 04:35 AM |
| 8 | If you bring nothing worth sleeping with, you should not be surprised when you don't get laid. This is not woman's faultI have a few ideas but they are all in the incubation phase. The main goal is to first seriously study the topic at hand. Regarding sexual equality feminists have a sizable head start given they have been studying and mainstreaming the "orgasm gap" women experience as a social issue worth noting for decades now. Using feminist theories of sexual liberation and equality as our blueprint we may be able to make real changes in the world. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/24 04:31 AM |
| 8 | If you bring nothing worth sleeping with, you should not be surprised when you don't get laid. This is not woman's faultA major component of feminist theory is the political, economic, and social equality of men and women. Things like sexual and romantic success would fall under the realm of the social. A great deal of effort had been put into measuring and combating things like disparities in income or access to education between men and women. In the name of social equality trying to address the frustrations of the sexually and romantically unsuccessful isn't actually that absurd. This is especially true given … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/24 04:18 AM |
| 5 | If you bring nothing worth sleeping with, you should not be surprised when you don't get laid. This is not woman's faultIt's not a 1:1 to comparison but they are in many ways more similar than meets the eye. Equality of access and outcome in various economic zones is comparable to the social sphere which includes far more than just casual sex. Regardless, things like sex, relationships, marriage, and family might actually be more important than the economic distribution of conventional goods and services. There is no obvious reason why governments shouldn't try to combat social recessions the way it does economic… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/24 04:09 AM |
| 7 | If you bring nothing worth sleeping with, you should not be surprised when you don't get laid. This is not woman's faultToo many people who end up poor, unemployed, or homeless blame society or capitalism. Just be normal. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/24 03:55 AM |
| 20 | If you bring nothing worth sleeping with, you should not be surprised when you don't get laid. This is not woman's faultWe had a whole thread that just debunked this guy's entire worldview. Just being a normal guy who puts in an honest effort isn't enough. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/24 03:53 AM |
| 11 | If you bring nothing worth sleeping with, you should not be surprised when you don't get laid. This is not woman's faultIf you are an average woman, with an average lifestyle, who's as bland as white bread, you can pretty easily get laid. We should be fighting for sexual equality as much as we do income equality tbh. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/24 03:49 AM |
| 8 | If you bring nothing worth sleeping with, you should not be surprised when you don't get laid. This is not woman's faultAnd yet women can expect to get laid just by virtue of being women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/24 03:47 AM |
| 1 | If you bring nothing worth sleeping with, you should not be surprised when you don't get laid. This is not woman's faultA plurality of relationships are now being formed online so saying "just go outside" isn't a straightforward solution. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/24 03:46 AM |
| 3 | I Dated Straight Men So You Don't Have To: A Straight Mans Guide To Dating Straight MenIt's gotten worse over the years. I've created Tinder accounts during summer 2021, summer 2022 and now summer of 2024. The first two times I used a gold account and did okay and got quit a few likes and matches. There was one point I had about 40-50 matches at once. Most were unreceptive but I at least matched. I had some conversations. I got some social media accounts from about 10 women and went on dates with 4 different women. I got stood up by a fifth woman. My 2nd round (2022) I even got a … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/06/24 12:20 AM |
| 7 | I Dated Straight Men So You Don't Have To: A Straight Mans Guide To Dating Straight MenI think the OP is actually really liberating. It's definitive proof that it really isn't your fault if you are romantically or sexually unsuccessful in the modern world as a man. The game is heavily staked against you and you can be a totally normal and well adjusted man who does the right thing and end up alone. There really are larger cultural and social forces at pay making it exceedingly difficult for large numbers of young adult men to actualize romantically. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/24 11:46 PM |
| 3 | I Dated Straight Men So You Don't Have To: A Straight Mans Guide To Dating Straight MenI think we're just at a point in history where large numbers of women don't want to get married or even be in LTRs anymore. It's sad but there has never been an easier, safer, and faster time to find and meet someone. In 1967 about 75% of all 25 y/o American men and 85% of all 25 y/o American women had been married. The 1960s had an unusually high rate of marriage but the historical norm in America was that a large majority of adults would marry by their 30s. They did that with no internet, smar… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/24 09:53 PM |
| 5 | The real reason being a pick-me doesn't work is that these women are often insecure and don't know how to push for what they wantBeing submissive to a guy you really like is probably what an actual irl "pick me!" is. I know of no women who actually go around trying to please all, most, or even some men. If a woman says she was a "pick me!" it was really just her simping for one guy she fell for. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/24 09:30 PM |
| 17 | I Dated Straight Men So You Don't Have To: A Straight Mans Guide To Dating Straight MenI created a Tinder account last Monday. I got about 25-30 likes and of those about 9 matches. I didn't get gold so I haven't seen most of who likes me. Of the 9 matches 0 women messaged me first. Only 2 responded to my messaging. The first was a 34 y/o single mom (3 kids IIRC) who d/c after about two sentences. The other is a nice young lady who is still talking to me but mostly just to trauma dump about her shitty ex who broke up with her last year. I do actually like her but I doubt our conver… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/24 06:43 PM |
| 16 | I Dated Straight Men So You Don't Have To: A Straight Mans Guide To Dating Straight MenBeing in such a large dating pool (probably tens of thousands in most metropolitan regions) means women really can hold out and always hope for someone a little better. I don't morally blame them for this behavior (if men could do this they likely would) but I do get annoyed that most women seem to be in denial about what is happening. Because a plurality of relationships now form online (35-45%) e-dating can no longer be considered niche and we do have to take this somewhat seriously if society… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/24 06:39 PM |
| 5 | I Dated Straight Men So You Don't Have To: A Straight Mans Guide To Dating Straight MenThe fact that "Are we dating the same guy?" exists suggests it might not be so 1:1. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/24 06:11 PM |
| 2 | I Dated Straight Men So You Don't Have To: A Straight Mans Guide To Dating Straight MenWomen prefer not to date down and tend to prefer a man a bit higher up than them on the SES ladder. If you're a man you're much more willing to date down in terms of SES. If you can't get what you want in the rich nations as a man you have options. If you're a woman in a rich nation and don't feel the men are up to snuff there really isn't anywhere else to go. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/24 06:05 PM |
| 1 | I Dated Straight Men So You Don't Have To: A Straight Mans Guide To Dating Straight MenInteresting experiment. I suppose the biggest issue women face with online dating (where a plurality of people now meet) is they simply have too many options to sort through. I'm surprised you found as many decent and respectful men as you did. A lot of men genuinely are immature, oversexed and lack emotional intelligence but its nice to know there are guys out there making an honest effort. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/24 05:53 PM |
| 14 | Women that hit thirty are nowhere near changing their behaviour in this day and age. They act just like early twentiesThe idea that 30 is some kind of death sentence is nonsense. I think it might be partially based on the idea that fertility declines rapidly around that time for women. Female fertility does drop off much more than male fertility between 30-35 but modern medicine helps a bit with that and people across the board want fewer kids these days so it isn't that big of a deal. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/24 05:08 PM |
| 1 | I genuinely can't understand men who try to coax/convince a woman to give him a chance, even after he has been rejected. Like, not all guys do this, but men who have done, it, where’s the infamous male ego?I have extremely little romantic experience but enough to still share some thoughts. I personally will cut things off in certain circumstances. An explicit no (I won't even ask "are you sure?") If I send a text and get no responce for about 24 hours I will usually wait a bit and throw a hail Mary follow up. If I still get nothing for a while then I'll d/c After a break up I'll cut contacts and won't try to get back together Because I've never had many options, and still don't, I usually just pla… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/24 04:32 PM |
| 3 | I genuinely can't understand men who try to coax/convince a woman to give him a chance, even after he has been rejected. Like, not all guys do this, but men who have done, it, where’s the infamous male ego?This is honestly the answer that makes the most sense. If there are only one or two women in your life that there is any chance of you getting with what else are you going to do? If there are 50 women you might have a chance with you'll be more willing to move on after the first one says "no" or even avoid spending time trying to court someone who just gave you a "maybe" before you ask them out. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/24 04:17 PM |
| 1 | There are very few women considered "losers" and this leads to a kind of empathy gap between men and women.I didn't really create this concept, the culture did. By how our culture sets standards, most women aren't losers. There are some interesting ideas about what a female loser might be in the discussion, but it rarely pertains to a woman who is poor or not economically successful. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/24 01:07 AM |
| 1 | There are very few women considered "losers" and this leads to a kind of empathy gap between men and women.I'm using a conception of loser most people in modern America do. Almost no women end up covered by that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/24 01:03 AM |
| 1 | There are very few women considered "losers" and this leads to a kind of empathy gap between men and women.While I recognize that in some instances the SAHM life can go wrong it needs to be noted there is a non-0 chance any life choice anyone makes could go wrong, even disastrously. That includes choosing to be single and focus on careerism. There are numerous ways where an individuals plans don't go the way they expect for the worse. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/24 01:01 AM |
| 1 | There are very few women considered "losers" and this leads to a kind of empathy gap between men and women.I know. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/06/24 12:54 AM |
| 1 | There are very few women considered "losers" and this leads to a kind of empathy gap between men and women.Thank you for your thoughtful responce. I'll take it all into consideration. I'm happy you were able to find the love of your life. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/24 04:39 AM |
| 3 | There are very few women considered "losers" and this leads to a kind of empathy gap between men and women.Good point. She is demonized by some but others see her as a victim deserve of help and even praise. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/24 04:38 AM |
| 6 | There are very few women considered "losers" and this leads to a kind of empathy gap between men and women.Mostly fine. However, the broader society doesn't see girls who are bullied as losers, it sees them as victims of bullying. It's why bullying is considered immoral, even if some people engage in it for sadistic pleasure. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/24 02:18 AM |
| 2 | There are very few women considered "losers" and this leads to a kind of empathy gap between men and women.I never interacted with girls when I was in school. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/06/24 12:00 AM |
| 4 | According to feminist, male expendability is caused by patriarchyThis is just feminism creating an unfalsifiable theory. In the early 20th century the philosopher Karl Popper noted that prominent theories that purported to be scientific actually weren't (not that they weren't useful or even partially true, just unscientific). Those were Marxism (especially historical materialism) and Freudian psychoanalysis. Do you hate your job and feel miserable? Thats because you'r alienated from your labor and are being exploited. Marxism is correct that capitalism is des… | /r/MensRights | 15/06/24 11:48 PM |
| 1 | There are very few women considered "losers" and this leads to a kind of empathy gap between men and women.Fine, you win this round. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/24 10:52 PM |
| 5 | There are very few women considered "losers" and this leads to a kind of empathy gap between men and women.But you and all women on this sub think that all lonely men are just entitled loser fake nice guys who need to just work harder on their bad personalities and that there is nothing wrong with modern dating culture, women's standards, the economy, or social media. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/24 10:50 PM |
| 1 | There are very few women considered "losers" and this leads to a kind of empathy gap between men and women.Then we just disagree on the definition of what a loser is which is fine. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/24 10:44 PM |
| 1 | There are very few women considered "losers" and this leads to a kind of empathy gap between men and women.If a man left after 20 years he'd more than likely have to pay alimony. Regardless, I don't personally know any couples where this happened. Most of them are deeply committed and eagerly await the day they get to see their grandkids. If a man ever did do something like that 1) The Church would shame him away 2) The woman would move back in with her parents and get the support she needs | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/24 10:41 PM |
| 4 | There are very few women considered "losers" and this leads to a kind of empathy gap between men and women.This seems closer to the truth based on the back and forth I've seen. Despite women supporting each other much more than men do they still judge each other, sometimes very harshly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/24 10:38 PM |
| 1 | There are very few women considered "losers" and this leads to a kind of empathy gap between men and women.Confirming every time a woman is a crashout it’s because society or a man failed her? But for men it’s because of himself? Can you explain that more? This is how the culture works, these aren't my ideas. Men are expected to actualize and achieve. If a man can't make it, he's a bum, a loser, a deadbeat, a chump. We supposedly live in a patriarchy designed to benefit men so of course men have to achieve. Life is handed to them on a silver platter. Do people on this sub, including you, ever serious… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/24 10:36 PM |
| 2 | There are very few women considered "losers" and this leads to a kind of empathy gap between men and women.Corrected. Thanks for noticing the typo. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/24 10:27 PM |
| 3 | There are very few women considered "losers" and this leads to a kind of empathy gap between men and women.Those women aren't losers. Sorry. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/24 10:26 PM |
| 20 | "I tried dating apps as a woman and it was harder than expected!" (videos)Is decently attractive and gainfully employed Can hold a normal conversation and is looking for a relationship I highlighted the key words. Being oversexed is more obvious to anyone but adding in just a few highly subjective adjectives can allow her to create a kind of unfalsifiable hypothesis where any man who doesn't give her "the spark" or "tingles" immediately can be dismissed as abnormal or unattractive given the ambiguity of what those mean. She has done an excellent job at creating plausi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/24 08:58 PM |
| 1 | There are very few women considered "losers" and this leads to a kind of empathy gap between men and women.Simps are seen as losers. No one thinks a male simp isn't some kind of loser. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/24 08:52 PM |
| 1 | There are very few women considered "losers" and this leads to a kind of empathy gap between men and women.So the ones who had everything and lost it or had a good go at life and chose nothing are called trainwrecks or just “oh she’s so crazy” Nah, usually it was society or men who failed them. Even still based on your replies to others you do seem to disqualify loser if sex is involved or could be achieved if she wanted that. No, I'm not talking about sex, I'm talking about a real relationship. A lot of people here seem to think that single women should qualify as losers because they are alone. I di… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/24 08:51 PM |
| 3 | There are very few women considered "losers" and this leads to a kind of empathy gap between men and women.lmao, I've encountered women displaying visible and audible disgust at my university when talking about "idiot" tradwives and "brainwashed" SAHMs. Women get so mad at other women for not towing certain idealogical lines. During the man v bear thing on FaceBook I saw women get angry at "pick mes" saying they'd rather encounter a random man and the question was unfair to men. Maybe its because I live in a deep blue progressive metropolitan region and things would be different if I lived in the dee… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/24 08:19 PM |
| 1 | There are very few women considered "losers" and this leads to a kind of empathy gap between men and women.100% agree | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/24 08:14 PM |
| -1 | There are very few women considered "losers" and this leads to a kind of empathy gap between men and women.As a professional and certified loser I beg to differ. They still have options. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/24 08:12 PM |
| 3 | There are very few women considered "losers" and this leads to a kind of empathy gap between men and women.I exclusively didn't define being being a loser in that way. Reread my OP. So many women are invisible or discarded. These women typically succumbing to addiction or sex work or both. Those are the “crashed out” “burned out” women. Those women are seen as victims, not losers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/24 08:09 PM |
| 4 | There are very few women considered "losers" and this leads to a kind of empathy gap between men and women.Their choice. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/24 08:06 PM |
| 1 | There are very few women considered "losers" and this leads to a kind of empathy gap between men and women.Thats another important point. You can easily live on one decent income in most places. You just have to accept less eating at restaurants, vacations, a smaller house or renting. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/24 08:05 PM |
| 1 | There are very few women considered "losers" and this leads to a kind of empathy gap between men and women.This is an intersting insight but I see so much in the popular culture contrary to this I'm not really sure if I fully believe you. Body positivity is areal movement and there is a popular book out now called "Women Don't Owe you Pretty". Do some women have a bf just as a status symbol thing? Sure, maybe. But it seems like now women are being encouraged to do whatever and live their best lives and not focus so much on men or family or anything. I agree with the last part that most women who stay… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/24 08:02 PM |
| 6 | There are very few women considered "losers" and this leads to a kind of empathy gap between men and women.Thats much more difficult given the greater selective pressure men face. Often male losers who are romantically successful are degeneracymaxxing or thugmaxxing (selling drugs, neck and face tattoos, criminal record, cheating bad boy etc). Just being some guy with no job usually isn't bad enough. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/24 07:54 PM |
| 4 | There are very few women considered "losers" and this leads to a kind of empathy gap between men and women.Being a SAHM, not being a feminist, being a "pick me", being religious, being married to a loser, not hating men etc. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/24 07:50 PM |
| 6 | There are very few women considered "losers" and this leads to a kind of empathy gap between men and women.If they are single its because they prefer it. There is nothing easier for a woman to get in this world than a man. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/24 07:47 PM |
| 4 | There are very few women considered "losers" and this leads to a kind of empathy gap between men and women.Body positivity is working to make them as mainstream as anyone else. Fat shaming is worse than being fat at this point. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/24 07:45 PM |
| 3 | There are very few women considered "losers" and this leads to a kind of empathy gap between men and women.No, not at all. We just don't care that much about how successful a woman is career wise. If she makes a lot of money thats great, if not, thats her choice also. These days family is largely seen as optional and we even have the body positivity movement so you don't really have to maintain a trim figure. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/24 07:43 PM |
| 7 | There are very few women considered "losers" and this leads to a kind of empathy gap between men and women.The sisterhood is actually a thing though. Women are much more supportive of each other than men are of each other. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/24 07:37 PM |
| 13 | There are very few women considered "losers" and this leads to a kind of empathy gap between men and women.As a rule of thumb neither groups deserve it, their lives are hard enough. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/24 07:34 PM |
| 10 | There are very few women considered "losers" and this leads to a kind of empathy gap between men and women.I don't necessarily agree woman always have it easier. But there are at least a few advantages to being a woman. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/24 07:32 PM |
| 1 | There are very few women considered "losers" and this leads to a kind of empathy gap between men and women.Agree to disagree, on which is worse or if they are truly invisible. There are fewer single young adult women than men, after all. I'd rather be an unattractive women than who I am now. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/24 07:25 PM |
| 12 | There are very few women considered "losers" and this leads to a kind of empathy gap between men and women.Those men are considered losers. You have a really distorted view of SAHMs imo. It's not a favor. It's a very real full time job that may be unpaid but is not unrewarded. I really respect all the women in my Church and life who have voluntarily chosen to defer income to be full time SAHMs. It's so much more than saving money on daycare. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/24 07:19 PM |
| – | There are very few women considered "losers" and this leads to a kind of empathy gap between men and women.This thread is kind of funny. It's interesting how women want to always occupy so many male spaces no matter what. Claim: Basically, only men are losers. Women: Um actually, we're the real losers too! Why is this something they want to identify with? If I were a woman I would be happy about having to never really worry about being a loser. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/24 07:07 PM |
| 9 | There are very few women considered "losers" and this leads to a kind of empathy gap between men and women.I know adult women living with their parents who have BFs and the guy doesn't care. Also I come from a religious background and I do know some women who are SAHMs or are living with parents waiting to eventually get married. It's rare but a legitimate option. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/24 07:05 PM |
| 4 | There are very few women considered "losers" and this leads to a kind of empathy gap between men and women.She has a baby. Few male losers reproduce | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/24 07:01 PM |
| 7 | There are very few women considered "losers" and this leads to a kind of empathy gap between men and women.Live with parents, welfare, SAHM. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/24 06:58 PM |
| 28 | There are very few women considered "losers" and this leads to a kind of empathy gap between men and women.In fairness to women far fewer women abandon their kids although there are some horrible moms who stick around. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/24 06:56 PM |
| 24 | There are very few women considered "losers" and this leads to a kind of empathy gap between men and women.Being a quiet shy woman is seen as cute and quirky and imposes no penalties on her ability to make friends or get a man. At some churches the pastors and older people get mad at the men for "not stepping up" and marrying the reserved women who put no effort into romance. Women have been much more likely to reproduce throughout human history than men and this remains the case. In modern society males who are neurodivergent (especially autistic or schizophrenic), short, or facially unattractive ha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/24 06:55 PM |
| 2 | There are very few women considered "losers" and this leads to a kind of empathy gap between men and women.I do think some people have expectations of women but they don't matter that much. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/24 06:46 PM |
| 12 | There are very few women considered "losers" and this leads to a kind of empathy gap between men and women.Those women all have boyfriends lol. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/24 06:42 PM |
| 10 | There are very few women considered "losers" and this leads to a kind of empathy gap between men and women.Which women are considered losers? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/24 06:40 PM |
| 12 | There are very few women considered "losers" and this leads to a kind of empathy gap between men and women.Who do you have in mind? Because they are invisible I can't see them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/24 06:37 PM |
| 1 | A woman listening to Red Pill influencers and taking their advice to heart is a sure way to attract abusers and narcissistsYeah, the logic here is pretty bad and just as controlling as anything these male predators are allegedly doing. Man: I consent Woman: I consent Woman not in the relationship: I don't! We need to let adults be free and own the consequences of their actions and not try to micromanage women's behavior so they have perfect love lives. The idea we can never let any woman end up in voluntary situations they might otherwise not have, if we had only provided them more information is not feasible anyway… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/24 05:48 PM |
| 1 | A woman listening to Red Pill influencers and taking their advice to heart is a sure way to attract abusers and narcissistsExpectations were somewhat lower even as recently as the 1970s when the marriage rate peaked. Something like 80-85% of all American adults were apparently married back then. Now it's more like one third. They were able to do that without the internet or any online dating in an era where no-fault divorce had been legal for decades as well. I agree that the quality of relationships is questionable and people may not have been doing much better. People were only beginning to seriously talk about an… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/24 05:12 PM |
| – | If "most men don't want a partner, they want a mom", then most women don't want a partner, they want a dad.I hear a lot of women talk about how they want 50/50 relationships but usually only in certain areas like household chores. I also think it's silly to actually ask for that. Actual data on women's preferences is still pretty clear. Women want a man who earns at least as much (if not more) and is at least as educated (if not more). There is a moderate preference for a man who is doing better off. People often try to find rules to explain dating culture, almost like scientific laws "men always do … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/24 04:51 PM |
| 5 | How are men supposed to deal with successive rejections?I've seen people get confused or express surprise when they find out that some men are just quitting, but rarely are people upset. I think there is this expectation that men are just gonna keep on trying no matter how hard it is. If a man gives up and expresses dissatisfaction with women or the general dating world people might get upset that he is blaming others instead of himself. Personally, I think modern dating is bad enough it's not unreasonable for men to just blame the system and then dr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/24 07:46 AM |
| 1 | How are men supposed to deal with successive rejections?Bingo. People can and do have a "structuralist" attitude toward everything in society, except male romance and dating. There we all become libertarians who only advocate individualism and self-help as solutions. There are no broader cultural or socioeconomic forces at play. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/24 07:18 AM |
| 1 | Would you trade your gender’s dating struggles?Your source, Paul Dolan, needs to be taken with a very large grain of salt. A new book says married women are miserable. Don’t believe it. Married females are still living the longest with a gap to singles of 3.5–5.5 years. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/24 09:15 PM |
| 4 | Would you trade your gender’s dating struggles?I would want a source on some of these (how do you measure and compare the "ambition" of teenagers and adults?). If it's in education, perhaps, more women are getting college degrees. But men are more likely to do things like learn a trade, start working, or start a firm. For many of the other issues, the same complaints can be hurled back against women. Plenty of single women are overweight (male obesity in the US sits at 42% vs women at 44%), even more broke (women still make less than men on … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/24 09:05 PM |
| 1 | Men put WAY too much stock on trying to get women.In general I disagree. Marriage matters, having a partner matters. These things change people's lives and more often than not for the better. It's why most people want them. People, especially men, make themselves better for them. A man may actually get more out of an unhealthy single life that ends at 70 than a healthy single one that ends at 90 because living a long time isn't as important if you have no one close around. Stretching it out an extra 10 or 20 years for what? To see your non-exis… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/24 04:58 AM |
| 5 | Would you trade your gender’s dating struggles?I wouldn't mind trying it out for a few weeks. I have female family members and they have all been pretty successful in dating and relationships compared to me with very few problems, if any. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/24 04:17 AM |
| 6 | Would you trade your gender’s dating struggles?Many single men seem to have a hard time getting anyone to take a chance on them. If it really were this easy there would be fewer single young adult men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/24 04:12 AM |
| 1 | Men put WAY too much stock on trying to get women.Well, I'm happy for you all the same. Go team u/r2k398! I know you guys will make it work! | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/24 04:01 AM |
| 1 | Men put WAY too much stock on trying to get women.Arguably the best situation an adult man can be in is a happy marriage. The 2nd best is a close tie between an unhappy marriage and being single. To actually achieve a successful marriage is a huge motivator for men. I know that there is a lot of talk around here about divorce, cheating, abandonment etc. I know there are loveless, sexless, and boring marriages. But do you know who are more likely to have really boring, sexless, or loveless lives? Single men, especially as they get to be middle a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/24 04:00 AM |
| 3 | Men put WAY too much stock on trying to get women.People ignore that things like a SO give us huge life changing incentives. Married men live longer and have generally more fulfilling and successful lives than single men. Yes, I know many marriages end in divorce or are sexless or unhappy, but being single as a man is still on average somewhat worse. Self-improvement for one's own sake is great, but men really do seem to want to have something to live for other than life for the sake of life. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/24 03:47 AM |
| 1 | Men put WAY too much stock on trying to get women.It's happened very rarely but when it does come up that I'm single and not really interested in pursuing a woman the first responce I get from women (or one of the first) is they ask if I'm gay in surprise. They almost can't comprehend a man, of any age, not being interested in women. The women I've talked to aren't rude or shaming about it, but even they find it strange for a heterosexual man to be mostly disinterested in chasing women. It is all part of a broader cultural attitude (at least pa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/24 03:38 AM |
| 1 | Men put WAY too much stock on trying to get women.This is a good post and I largely agree. I do think I have a weak analogy. It's not really seen as hypocritical for the impoverished, unemployed, and homeless to simultaneously want more money to improve their own situation while opposing ruthless neoliberal reforms and cultural attitudes justifying social Darwinist business philosophy that could in theory open more opportunities to earn more income. Rather, they do have an incentive to play it safe, given that they could end up becoming losers … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/24 03:29 AM |
| 3 | Autistic men should accept that autism is a serious condition and people have the right to not want to date an autistic manOver the course of one year more people in America alone will be killed by an intimate partner than all the people ever killed by "incel terrorists" since 1997 when the term was first coined. Wikipedia lists 12 or 13 incel related attacks over a 14 year period across the entire globe (2009-2023). Compare that with the massive amounts of more normalized and routine murders, terror, and warfare humanity has subjected itself to in the same timeframe. Incels aren't actually a threat to anyone in any… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/05/24 05:26 PM |
| 2 | Autistic men should accept that autism is a serious condition and people have the right to not want to date an autistic manI know four autistic men who have moderately strong cases but are high functioning enough they can work. For one guy his neurodivergence was almost a plus. He had somewhat low self-awareness and by extension relatively little shame or inhibition when it came to hitting on women. Nothing creepy or inappropriate, he just played the numbers game big time and is married now. For the other guys its something they are more self-aware and insecure about and it ends up being a hindrance creating self-do… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/05/24 04:18 PM |
| 18 | Autistic men should accept that autism is a serious condition and people have the right to not want to date an autistic manBrutal, this is why OP doesn't care, because it doesn't impact her. If the situation were reversed there would be a movement within feminist academia to try and destigmatize problematic male attitudes towards autistic women the way there is one regarding fat acceptance. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/05/24 04:04 PM |
| 19 | Autistic men should accept that autism is a serious condition and people have the right to not want to date an autistic manNo one ever took those men seriously to begin with, long before the term incel was mainstreamed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/05/24 03:56 PM |
| 9 | Autistic men should accept that autism is a serious condition and people have the right to not want to date an autistic manThis isn't actually true, at least not completely. There is a clear asymmetry regarding how we challenge what constitutes a "legitimate" preference, between men and women. Feminists have suggested, and are presently attempting to, deconstruct traditional fatphobic, ableist, ageist, and Eurocentric beauty standards amongst many others as a means of helping women feel more beautiful and helping make others recognize them for being as attractive as they deserve. The body positivity movement appears… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/05/24 03:54 PM |
| 1 | Will the gender divide in the West get as bad as we see in South Korea?It's a bit more complicated than that. In some sense it's worse. It tends to be the most conservative subcultures within societies that have the highest birthrates. Iran, which isn't known for its gender equality, has a birthrate of about 1.6-1.7 which isn't much higher than in Scandinavian countries. I do think that in the long run it is possible and plausible that subcultures with high birthrates just outgrow those that don't. However, that is contingent on how heritable fertility is which act… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/05/24 01:58 PM |
| 1 | What percentage of men under age 30 do you think have sexual options?Depends on the size of your friend group and the other social circles you are in. I'd say less half have many options. If they did it's likely they would take advantage of it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/24 06:16 PM |
| 4 | What percentage of men under age 30 do you think have sexual options?I've seen those, some were legitimately scary. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/24 06:15 PM |
| – | Women's attraction based on career and income is weird.Perplexed is the one I would use, maybe intrigued. I do find it a bit odd. I understand why a college educated man is appealing relative to a non-college educated man, all other things being equal. But a preference for someone with a B.A who makes 40k per year over a non-graduate who makes 85k per year doing a trade or running a business they started seems weird. I think some people see a bit of elitism or classism in the preference. Others aren't really that impressed by a degree and don't get … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/24 06:12 PM |
| 3 | Women's attraction based on career and income is weird.The cost of attendance and time it takes to get a degree are major barriers for many people. Even then, at this point in history something like one third of American adults over 25 have a degree. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/24 05:47 PM |
| -2 | Women's attraction based on career and income is weird.What exactly is the appeal of a credential? Does it signal intelligence or perseverance? If it's just one of those unexplainable things you like thats fine as well. I do think earning a high income doing a trade is better than having a PhD but little income. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/05/24 03:51 AM |
| 26 | Are Men Okay? – SOME MORE NEWSI watched about 10 minutes and it's not totally anti-male but it's somewhat dismissive and almost finds humor in this. I skipped to the end and he gives some generic "take responsibility and man up advice" about how you have to take care of yourself and not blame others. Meanwhile women are allowed to get politically organized and both control and change the institutions and structures of our society. That very obvious asymmetry is what leads to at least some of this frustration. Women get to bl… | /r/MensRights | 23/05/24 04:48 PM |
| 2 | Just getting yourself out there is not enoughThe Churches' attitude towards this is basically just that men need to "man up and do better". The entire onus is on them to get married. There is really no expectation that women need to change and put less emphasis on education and career and more on Church and family. I mostly blame the parents who I think raised most of the women to put work ahead of everything and anything else. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/05/24 10:34 PM |
| – | Women are not a monolith, but they sure treat each other like one, why?It's for attention. A guy I know created an account on discord that was nominally female and instantly started getting messages like crazy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/24 05:13 PM |
| 4 | Bears, false accusations, and random peopleAs a man I'd rather encounter a random woman. False accusations are pretty rare. I've never worked in HR but I had a conversation with an older gentleman who spent most of his career in HR. False accusations were infrequent but they did happen and only women ever made them. However, he noted they were pretty transparent and usually collapsed very quickly under even a little scrutiny. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/24 04:58 PM |
| 4 | Just getting yourself out there is not enoughWhat do you mean "directly"? Someone in the same company but not the same department? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/24 04:11 PM |
| 2 | Just getting yourself out there is not enoughThe decline in religiosity amongst women may be what is driving the gap. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/24 05:31 AM |
| 1 | "They can smell your desperation" is just proof that women attribute good personality to attractive people.I meant more in the long run. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/24 04:10 AM |
| 13 | Just getting yourself out there is not enoughFor the past few decades HR has made dating through work a bit more complicated for men. Not impossible, but it happens there much less. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/24 03:53 AM |
| 3 | "They can smell your desperation" is just proof that women attribute good personality to attractive people.He never stood a chance had he acted "normal" to begin with. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/24 03:29 AM |
| 2 | Just getting yourself out there is not enoughYeah, I'm not sure where this came from all of a sudden but I have some ideas. Women are believed to have always been the majority of Christians at all ages (it was never just old Church ladies outliving their husbands). I think women are a bit more conformist than men. So many of them have grown up in a secular and feminist culture. Their parents probably emphasized education and career over pretty much everything else. The gap isn't huge but it's growing. If the gender ratio gets too big then … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/24 02:42 AM |
| 16 | Just getting yourself out there is not enoughI'm religious and for the first time ever (since we started tracking these numbers) more young adult men than women are now religious. Of the two places of worship I attend they are majority male for people under 40 (vast majority for under 30). Source | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/24 02:18 AM |
| 1 | If Society “Doesn’t Hold Women Responsible”, What SHOULD Society Be Doing to Them?The fact that you can't even think of anything suggests you probably share societies' somewhat favorable bias towards women. There are women who marry men on death row and convicted serial killers. Most people, correctly, recognize that as absurd but the fact that you can't think of anything bad women do is odd. Pretty much any terrible thing men do, there are at least a few women doing it but people have a tendency to be more sympathetic to women. The main gap is much more anti-social behavior … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/05/24 12:42 AM |
| – | If Society “Doesn’t Hold Women Responsible”, What SHOULD Society Be Doing to Them?This is kind of a mixed bag. Women will complain that large amounts of bad male behavior like violence goes unpunished. This is somewhat true based on rates of conviction and underreporting certain crimes. But the behavior is almost universally regarded as immoral and also illegal. On the other hand, no one seriously cares about most anti-social or immoral female behavior. I honestly think it's because people basically don't consider women to be serious threats. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/05/24 07:26 PM |
| 2 | Bumble Backtracking is Proof That Men Will Always Be in ChargeI don't use dating apps but I'm aware of Bumble and I found this move rather odd. Bumble's novel innovation was to put women in charge and let them take the romantic initiative which apparently they hated. Rejection is a part of life (not just dating but jobs, friends, financial loans). It seems absurd to care that much about rejection in online dating where the stakes are really low. IRL I get it being embarrassing, even humiliating, but online it seems close to 0 costs. The same is true of pur… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/05/24 05:32 AM |
| 2 | They’re almost starting to understand the male experience (the comments were locked for obvious reasons lol)Rejection is a part of life (not just dating but jobs, friends, financial loans). It seems absurd to care that much about rejection in online dating where the stakes are really low. IRL I get it being embarrassing, even humiliating, but online it seems close to 0 costs. | /r/MensRights | 17/05/24 08:19 PM |
| 7 | "Women are wonderful" mentality that bluepillers advocate for is actually disrespectful towards women because it removes their agencyOne of the issues is that men receive harsher sentences for the same crime for almost all crimes.Even trying to control for things like courtroom behavior or prior criminal history there are still notable gaps. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/24 05:12 PM |
| 1 | Men, on dating apps, should to be more open to women not seen as conventionally attractive.How tall are you? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/24 06:50 AM |
| 2 | Men, on dating apps, should to be more open to women not seen as conventionally attractive.There is a middle ground here. The distribution of male messaging goes overwhelmingly to the top. The women ranked in the mid and at the bottom do already get a lot of attention, relative to their male counterparts. None of that contradicts my main point, men should try to spend more time pursuing the women they don't find beautiful and flatten the message curve to more evenly distribute it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/24 06:21 AM |
| 7 | Men, on dating apps, should to be more open to women not seen as conventionally attractive.Fat people can still be beautiful. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/24 06:03 AM |
| 13 | Men, on dating apps, should to be more open to women not seen as conventionally attractive.This is a really bad mentality to have. Even if you find fat people unattractive this is just too harsh. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/24 05:34 AM |
| 7 | Men, on dating apps, should to be more open to women not seen as conventionally attractive.The data I presented in my initial post. Some of what you are talking about comes from other sources and isn't really directly to my post. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/24 05:29 AM |
| 3 | Men, on dating apps, should to be more open to women not seen as conventionally attractive.If you live in a major metropolitan region I have to imagine you are in a pool with thousands and perhaps tens of thousands of single people on these apps. I do get how long periods of time with no messages can be frustrating and disheartening. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/24 05:25 AM |
| 7 | Men, on dating apps, should to be more open to women not seen as conventionally attractive.The biggest issue is the lopsided gender ration in my view. I do think women are probably too selective overall, and could be more open to initiating conversations as well as taking chances on guys who don't immediately give them "the spark". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/24 05:24 AM |
| 1 | Men, on dating apps, should to be more open to women not seen as conventionally attractive.Their narrative isn't 100% wrong, if someone gets like 2 messages per year and one is a bot then they have some right to complain abut these apps not working for them. But they really do need to get that they probably spend too much time chasing the top 25-33% of women (in terms of beauty) when they do get chances. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/24 05:21 AM |
| 10 | Men, on dating apps, should to be more open to women not seen as conventionally attractive.The data suggests they do rate men somewhat unfairly in terms of looks but then proceed to look past that somewhat. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/24 05:19 AM |
| 16 | Men, on dating apps, should to be more open to women not seen as conventionally attractive.Given how many Americans are overweight of obese these days that really shouldn't be hard. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/24 05:18 AM |
| 7 | Men, on dating apps, should to be more open to women not seen as conventionally attractive.Try a girl who may be a little off. It's unlikely that a face that isn't perfectly symmetrical will dramatically increase the chances of birth defect or pregnancy complications. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/24 05:17 AM |
| 11 | Men, on dating apps, should to be more open to women not seen as conventionally attractive.Fertile women can come in many shapes and sizes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/05/24 04:48 AM |
| 10 | Should we worry about "rage rituals"?This basically sounds like a grift. It would probably be cheaper and more constructive to go to a martial arts gym and do some bag work if you need to hit something. | /r/MensRights | 15/05/24 06:00 PM |
| 3 | Women harp endlessly about entitlement and men feeling “owed” but in reality most people expect to be able get someone similar to them in all areas and framing this as “entitlement” is a deflection from the real issueThey could be a 0 or a 2 on the social ladder and average out to a 5 or 6? I really don't think we should try to quantify and measure people like this. It seems so high school mentality imo. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/24 10:50 PM |
| 3 | Women harp endlessly about entitlement and men feeling “owed” but in reality most people expect to be able get someone similar to them in all areas and framing this as “entitlement” is a deflection from the real issueHow would you rank most politicians or trophy model wives? I feel like they would rank higher than pool boys and teen interns. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/24 08:43 PM |
| 2 | Men should stop prioritizing decency when it comes to dating as it's something irrelevant to modern women's' attractionThe ones I'm very specifically thinking of tended to get into fights, own guns they probably shouldn't have, and live life much more on the edge. The more normal guys in high school who trafficked in small amounts of drugs did as well as normal guys. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/24 08:41 PM |
| 3 | Men should stop prioritizing decency when it comes to dating as it's something irrelevant to modern women's' attractionThose types of men clearly have an advantage over 5'10 men who make 39k per year. It's this sad doomer mindset that sets in on the internet where people start to think that it's over when it's really just difficult, sometimes very difficult. IRL most men who want something can get it if they are persistant and patient. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/24 07:34 PM |
| 5 | Women harp endlessly about entitlement and men feeling “owed” but in reality most people expect to be able get someone similar to them in all areas and framing this as “entitlement” is a deflection from the real issueDo you think people sometimes end up with people above or below them on this 0-10 scale? Like a solid 8 gets a 10? If you don't then I think your reasoning is too circular and could be unfalsifiable. Also, I don't personally like ranking humans on a 0-10 scale, but I guess it's what we do. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/24 07:28 PM |
| 3 | Women harp endlessly about entitlement and men feeling “owed” but in reality most people expect to be able get someone similar to them in all areas and framing this as “entitlement” is a deflection from the real issueTrophy wives are a thing though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/24 07:21 PM |
| 7 | Women harp endlessly about entitlement and men feeling “owed” but in reality most people expect to be able get someone similar to them in all areas and framing this as “entitlement” is a deflection from the real issueI think some degree of delusion may be necessary for men. Women do say they prefer men with confidence so there may be some need for men to hype themselves up. As it happens men tend to report having higher self-esteem than women, especially as young adults but things tend to equalize as people get older. I'm always a bit skeptical of attempts to measure things as complex and subjective as self-esteem because regarding self-assessment people are notoriously bad at it. But that is what the data s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/24 07:18 PM |
| 4 | Men should stop prioritizing decency when it comes to dating as it's something irrelevant to modern women's' attractionI think there are some guys who really are trying to do the right thing and be honest, respectful, and patient. They probably get frustrated and might end up in places like this sub to vent or debate but irl I think they exist. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/24 06:59 PM |
| 2 | Men should stop prioritizing decency when it comes to dating as it's something irrelevant to modern women's' attractionHere are some honest answers. Money and financial security Low self-esteem Genuine indifference to it A bizarre attraction to it Fear of being alone Pressured into it by family or friends | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/24 06:43 PM |
| 1 | Men should stop prioritizing decency when it comes to dating as it's something irrelevant to modern women's' attractionAndrew Tate claims to have something like 10-12 kids. He's arguably the most infamous sexist alive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/24 06:41 PM |
| 3 | Men should stop prioritizing decency when it comes to dating as it's something irrelevant to modern women's' attractionWomen walking away from bad relationships they do prefer a kinder gentler man, if only for a while. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/24 06:38 PM |
| 4 | Men should stop prioritizing decency when it comes to dating as it's something irrelevant to modern women's' attractionExtraverted men certainly do a lot better. You miss 100% of the shots you never take and men who are soft, quit, and reserved will have precious few opportunities to court women no matter how nice and kind they are when you get to know them. Extraversion doesn't necessarily seem to be correlated with niceness or kindness either way, but you are putting yourself out there, | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/24 06:37 PM |
| 2 | Men should stop prioritizing decency when it comes to dating as it's something irrelevant to modern women's' attractionTough, but true. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/24 06:33 PM |
| 8 | Men should stop prioritizing decency when it comes to dating as it's something irrelevant to modern women's' attractionWomen's preferences exist on a spectrum. It's probably not a normally distributed bell curve. On one end we do find the women who marry serial killers or other convicts on death row. On the other end are women who are so soft, scared, and anxious they never get involved in any relatinships. In high school and college I do remember that low level drug dealers were probably some of the most sexually successful men I knew. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/24 06:31 PM |
| -2 | The male "Provider" isn't Biology. Women are just entitled.I think in a political sense women can be a bit entitled. They tend to lean more left-wing and favor state intervention to help them. If only men voted in the USA Republicans would win hands down which would mean much less social spending. For many women (and especially feminists) education, healthcare, childcare etc should all be free. Even housing, transportation, food, and utilities should all be subsidized or perhaps even free. Income and job guarantees are also sometimes requested as necess… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/24 06:24 PM |
| 1 | POSTS WITH AFFIRMATIVE CLAIMS AND LOADED QUESTIONS GET MARKED WITH "DEBATE" POST FLAIR APPRECIATION DAILY MEGATHREADNo, but women are still much less promiscuous than men. I get what you're saying. The women in those circles are more likely to be sleeping around but on average women are still less likely to cheat, remarry, and have lower reported numbers of partners. There are more men active with multiple women than the other way around. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/24 03:36 AM |
| 1 | POSTS WITH AFFIRMATIVE CLAIMS AND LOADED QUESTIONS GET MARKED WITH "DEBATE" POST FLAIR APPRECIATION DAILY MEGATHREAD80-20 rue is flipped imo. About 80% of men can get something with varying degrees of effort. There is a non-trivial minority of about 20% at the bottom who can't seem to get anything going. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/24 03:34 AM |
| 2 | POSTS WITH AFFIRMATIVE CLAIMS AND LOADED QUESTIONS GET MARKED WITH "DEBATE" POST FLAIR APPRECIATION DAILY MEGATHREADThe fact that this Facebook page even exists does strongly suggest, to me at least, there are at least a few elite males dating/banging multiple women at once and that this is partially distorting the dating markets. It's not the hyperbolic nonsense where 1 elite man has a harem of 100 women, but if like 5-10% of men have even just 2-4 women around them that can really screw things up. Based on the most promiscuous men I've ever known those are reasonable numbers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/24 03:32 AM |
| 2 | POSTS WITH AFFIRMATIVE CLAIMS AND LOADED QUESTIONS GET MARKED WITH "DEBATE" POST FLAIR APPRECIATION DAILY MEGATHREADIt's probably not worth it then. I have to say a lot of my friends irl do actively use dating apps and even openly talk about it which I find strange. I'm just not going down that road. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/24 03:29 AM |
| 4 | Women promote ridiculous and overly broad definitions of sexual assaultPeople still put sex into a different category. I get what you are saying but while intoxicated there is something about someone trying to get you to do something you might not in a different state of mind. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/24 03:27 AM |
| 1 | POSTS WITH AFFIRMATIVE CLAIMS AND LOADED QUESTIONS GET MARKED WITH "DEBATE" POST FLAIR APPRECIATION DAILY MEGATHREADHe's a man, so yes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/24 03:25 AM |
| 3 | Men should stop asking women for adviceI'm sorry that I come off as too negative. But I really don't see much constructive dialogue here in either direction. Most of the women here really don't seem to think there is anything wrong with women in the world of modern dating and that all male romantic failure is just because the men are too stupid, immature, lazy, or angry. No one is just unlucky. No one who fails to get a date tried the honest and respectful route. Really I'm mostly here because its a fast passed sub and kind of addict… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/24 03:17 AM |
| 3 | POSTS WITH AFFIRMATIVE CLAIMS AND LOADED QUESTIONS GET MARKED WITH "DEBATE" POST FLAIR APPRECIATION DAILY MEGATHREADI'm 30 years old and have no dating and romantic experience. Any advice on if or how someone in my postion should try to approach relationships? Is there a point where it really is too late? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/24 03:07 AM |
| 5 | Men should stop asking women for adviceI'm sorry to hear that. I do try to listen, at least a little, to the women here. IRL I think people are better at listening. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/24 03:03 AM |
| 7 | Women promote ridiculous and overly broad definitions of sexual assaultI'll take the bait. At present there are a few legal gray areas around issues with considered informed consent as you mention with the issue of drinking. Your example of how buying stuff while being inebriated isn't considered theft is intersting, but for one reason or another most people consider sex special and therefore under a different set of norms and rules. Anyway, most definitions of sexual assault are pretty clear cut. Intentionally touching another person (man or woman's) primary or se… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/24 02:50 AM |
| 2 | Women promote ridiculous and overly broad definitions of sexual assaultGuys like this are the softest and most non-threatening people irl. They only behave like this online because they are timid cowards. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/24 02:38 AM |
| 2 | Men should stop asking women for advice??? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/24 02:31 AM |
| 6 | Men should stop asking women for adviceWhat exactly do you mean by that? Sorry, but I don't exactly get what you are saying. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/24 02:10 AM |
| 3 | Men should stop asking women for adviceAdmittedly some of them are very hostile. I can't condone them disrespecting you or any of the other women here. But I do kind of get it. When I was a few years younger I was the same, at least online. I was frustrated and became very jaded and cynical but I sort of mellowed out. I'm still frustrated and unhappy but over time it became apparent that anger wasn't a good emotional outlet. Back then being able to just vent by talking smack online felt good, now not as much. I would prefer to talk t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/24 01:53 AM |
| 6 | Men should stop asking women for adviceI never said that men are wasting too much time on bad girls or women out of their league. I'm not even sure if there is any evidence men are spending too much time on them relative to women more in their own social realm. I do think enough of those women have standards and desires that are just high enough they preclude a lot of those guys. They don't instantly get "the spark" or they feel bored after only a few minutes so they can just move on. With how much attention they can get on dating ap… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/24 01:09 AM |
| 5 | Men should stop asking women for adviceThe purpose of government isn't to be profitable. No nation expects its military or justice system to cover its operating costs. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/24 12:49 AM |
| 3 | Men should stop asking women for adviceThis is an intersting perspective but I think it depends on your friend group. If your friend group is full of romantically unsuccessful guys like you they might just say "it's the women's fault". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/24 12:45 AM |
| 8 | Men should stop asking women for adviceYou'd be surprised at how many fairly normal well-adjusted adult men struggle to find a relationship. I get it's easier to just dismiss them all as losers, failures, or immature. Men my age used to do just fine in high school and then in college. Then things just kind of crashed for men under 30. Millennial males over 35 seem to be mostly "normal" compared to gen x and boomers regarding relationship formation and marriage. As a 30 year old man I'm genuinely pretty shocked how few of my friends (… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/24 12:42 AM |
| 12 | Men should stop asking women for adviceThis is such weird logic. Young adult men would rather be angry and sexually frustrated online weirdos (in some instances adult virgins) rather than in sexually active relationships? If women were as easy as they claim they were this subreddit would have less than 5k subscribers or it might not even exist. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/24 12:34 AM |
| 9 | Men should stop asking women for adviceI think its "dog eat dog". On a more serious note, I don't like the current situation. I'm 30 and alone and will with 100% certainty remain so. I do have friends but I don't reach out to them as much as I could. That is just a personal choice. I really don't want other people to end up like me, however. It's very obvious that social failure is not something society cares about in the sense that anyone is going to proactively do anything about it. The internet could have done a lot for us but it … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/05/24 12:15 AM |
| 1 | Men should stop asking women for adviceMen can't be friends with women unless they are lesbians. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/24 11:46 PM |
| 16 | Men should stop asking women for adviceI get this from a lot from women. They don't really even want to talk to men about our emotions. They claim that one reason why the patriarchy is bad for men is because it represses male emotions. The only solution I get from women on this is that men need to talk to their male friends more or see a therapist. Not actually communicate their feelings to their girlfriend, spouse, or wife. I've always presumed that in a relationship both parties could reasonably expect to confide with their partner… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/24 11:44 PM |
| 25 | Men should stop asking women for adviceIMO it's just over for a non-trivial minority of men. There have always been some well-meaning people who tragically never found marriage. I do think things are harder now than in the past for men to forge a long term relationship and there are more single males now than at prior dates. It's not just some consequence of the internet allowing a small group who has always been there to finally have a big voice. I don't think any advice will change that. Some men are just unlucky, unattractive, poo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/24 11:40 PM |
| 7 | Men should stop asking women for adviceI've only worked in female dominated industries and basically no one talked to me lol. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/24 11:11 PM |
| 3 | Men should stop asking women for adviceI think he means more immediate stuff like looks and material well-being as compared to underlying personality. In some ways they are hard to distinguish but I personally can see some differences. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/24 11:11 PM |
| 18 | Men should stop asking women for adviceWomen should stop giving advice to men imo. Based on a few weeks hanging around this sub I have noticed Most advice women have for men is terrible (if they even have any) Most women really don't seem to like men at all Most women are not sympathetic to men at all Most women are not interested in dialoging with men at all Most women can't be bothered to help men, even in their personal lives I really don't get why any women comes here at all, at least not most of the time. They generally seem hos… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/24 11:08 PM |
| 1 | Many women don't realize that emotions are not reality.Anyone who has ever spent time around post-pubescent women knows they are more emotional than men and a bit less stable, emotionally. They definitely cry and get scared much more easily. I think if men weren't as repressed emotionally as some people claim they are this would still be the case. Women probably get upset or angry about as much but aren't nearly as loud or likely to take that anger and channel it violently. The male hormonal cycle is much less erratic and is based around testosteron… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/24 09:46 PM |
| 1 | Many women don't realize that emotions are not reality.It's because of the asymmetries in our society and the general delegitimization of male claims and feelings. Those are even on display on this sub and your comment. "WOMEN SHOULD BE ATTRACTED TO MEN LIKE ME" There is a whole academic sub discipline on beauty standards, body positivity and deconstructing traditional notions of what is conventionally attractive. Most of this is geared toward women and making them feel better regardless of body type. There really is no equivalent to encourage women… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/24 09:36 PM |
| 1 | Many women don't realize that emotions are not reality.I get what you are saying, other people don't like it. Women will often do bizarre things that are very dangerous. They don't necessarily do the same kinds of dumb things men do, but they will do dumb things. It's pretty clear from their behavior most of them are not that afraid of the world as they might claim they are. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/24 09:04 PM |
| 2 | Many women don't realize that emotions are not reality.Only online, really. IRL it's pretty clear that men don't take their own safety that seriously relative to women (drinking, driving fast, climbing on rooftops, getting into fights). This might be evidence they aren't as logical as they claim and overestimate their own competency or how safe something is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/24 09:01 PM |
| 2 | Many women don't realize that emotions are not reality.I would include those as possible risks in my initial comment regarding how often you come in contact with bears or adult men. But every time a human comes within close contact of a wild bear they are actually at greater risk vs every time they come into contact with an adult man in those one off encounters. The lack of bear attacks is an artifact of how infrequently modern people interact with them relative to other humans. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/24 08:56 PM |
| 2 | Many women don't realize that emotions are not reality.What would those other reasons be? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/24 08:29 PM |
| 1 | Many women don't realize that emotions are not reality.This is a bad defintion of patriarchy in my view. It's designed to be ambiguous enough you couldn't really falsify the claim any one particular society is patriarchal or not. If too many men (unquantified) hold power thats patriarchy, but if lots of men are failures it can still be patriarchy. So it doesn't really matter how the average man is doing. Women might be valued more or they might not. They might have to "work harder" to get into power as a general rule but maybe there are exceptions. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/24 08:28 PM |
| 2 | Many women don't realize that emotions are not reality.If you check out any major feminist subreddit, that is what they will tell you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/24 08:09 PM |
| 2 | Many women don't realize that emotions are not reality.Over the course of a year, how often do you come within 10 ft of a live bear? How often do you even see one? Compare that with the number of encounters of adult men you have. More people are killed by cows than sharks, this does not mean if humans increase our exposure to sharks relative to cattle this will on balance make us safer. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/24 08:08 PM |
| 1 | This sub is all negativity and debate. Post what you admire, appreciate, and enjoy about the opposite sex.It was a lame joke where I implied I would send you modeling pics. I'm not actually doing that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/24 07:06 PM |
| 1 | This sub is all negativity and debate. Post what you admire, appreciate, and enjoy about the opposite sex.Thank you! I'll send you my portfolio later. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/05/24 06:56 PM |
| 4 | This sub is all negativity and debate. Post what you admire, appreciate, and enjoy about the opposite sex.Stop, you're going to make me blush. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/24 11:58 PM |
| 7 | This sub is all negativity and debate. Post what you admire, appreciate, and enjoy about the opposite sex.You're beautiful and will live a long life surrounded by loved ones who adore you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/24 11:55 PM |
| 1 | This sub is all negativity and debate. Post what you admire, appreciate, and enjoy about the opposite sex.I'm slender and am pretty much always the most lean man in any group of people. Sometimes I'm the most lean person, male or female. I have just enough muscle that I'm not too bony but my ribs do kind of show because I'm very thin around the middle. My cheeks and face are full and I'd say I have a solid chin. I have dark brown hair and amber eyes. I'm clean shaven and have short hair. Aside from the long hair, I actually kind of go for the classic "Minoan" look like in my profile picture. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/24 11:51 PM |
| 2 | This sub is all negativity and debate. Post what you admire, appreciate, and enjoy about the opposite sex.Brutal | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/24 11:41 PM |
| – | CMV: choosing the bear has been detrimental to our cause.It's a catch-22, I think and a way to poke at men. You either agree with them that as a random man you are worse than a wild animal, or you get defensive which means that there is something you are hiding or covering up. I learned a while back not to play these silly games if you don't have to. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/24 10:34 PM |
| 8 | This sub is all negativity and debate. Post what you admire, appreciate, and enjoy about the opposite sex.People irl are generally much better than online. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/24 10:30 PM |
| 3 | This sub is all negativity and debate. Post what you admire, appreciate, and enjoy about the opposite sex.I guess as OP I better give this a shot. Women are often very motherly, irl basically all of them are pretty agreeable and amicable, at least at first. I don't always feel comfortable around them but they do usually want people to feel safe and secure. You never feel like you are in any physical danger around them. There was one time at an old job where I think a girl was flirting with me because she kept trying to knee me in the groin and laugh about it. I kind of just awkwardly smiled and avoi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/24 09:34 PM |
| 8 | This sub is all negativity and debate. Post what you admire, appreciate, and enjoy about the opposite sex.I have to admit that most of my friends who aren't very progressive hold at least one opinion about women that would probably be seen as traditional, if not antiquated or even kind of sexist. This includes all my married or engaged friends. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/24 09:32 PM |
| 1 | This sub is all negativity and debate. Post what you admire, appreciate, and enjoy about the opposite sex.AND sleek beautiful anime prince types I'm 5'9 120 lbs very slender build. Sleek enough or do I need to lose more weight? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/24 09:30 PM |
| 10 | This sub is all negativity and debate. Post what you admire, appreciate, and enjoy about the opposite sex.This is pretty obviously wrong. If women did have this ability to suss out repugnant attitudes they would in theory be able to avoid men who are violent or abusive. Women will readily admit it's not thier fault for walking into an abusive relationship because no one actually has perfect clairvoyance. People can be pretty good at hiding bizarre or socially unpopular views. It's almost like saying you can know if someone uses Reddit or even posts on this specific sub or not. Also, there are a lot … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/24 09:25 PM |
| 52 | CMV: choosing the bear has been detrimental to our cause.I honestly do think the "bear v man" thing was just another excuse for women to smack talk men. The only winning move for men was to just not play and say nothing. If you actually observe female behavior they really will take strange risks if they are in the mood to do it. If the man is rich or they find him truly attractive they will risk spending alone time with a stranger. If anything the "danger" factor probably adds a bit of a thrill to the experience. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/24 07:40 PM |
| 6 | It has never been easier to approach womenWomen aren't wondering where all the men went. They're happy they're being bothered less and are planning on how to they can eliminate all unwanted male attention (which is basically all of it). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/24 07:32 PM |
| 5 | It has never been easier to approach womenOkay, even women who haven't had multiple men in the past 48 hours still don't want guys talking to them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/24 07:30 PM |
| 3 | It has never been easier to approach womenWhy take the risk? For a lot men it's obvious dying alone is unironiclly less bad than having even one uncomfortable interaction with a woman. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/24 07:29 PM |
| 0 | It has never been easier to approach womenThats one random comment. IMO she is very conventionally attractive (not overweight at all) and probably most guys would recognize her beauty. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/24 07:26 PM |
| 6 | It has never been easier to approach womenThats true but basically most women still get so much attention from men they're clearly tired of it. The fact that young hotties get more attention than older women isn't surprising at all and is an unfair fact of life. As far as I can tell most women are somewhat hypergamous themselves and still don't like it if their "looks matches" approaches them in a polite and honest way. Women (and some men) need to stop lying about this. There is a non-trivial minority of men who are just unattractive l… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/24 03:39 PM |
| 10 | It has never been easier to approach womenWomen don't want men talking to them at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/24 03:27 PM |
| 8 | It has never been easier to approach womenI honestly think you are trolling at this point. Only 5% of women are tired of men approaching? Bro, it's closer to 95%. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/24 03:01 PM |
| 4 | It has never been easier to approach womenI have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand I will tell women and men who I think are both paranoid about crime or being falsely accused that they are overestimating their chances of being victimized. On the other hand there really is always some chance of things going wrong, so if you truly want to max our your chances of being safe, interact with humans as little as possible. Even men have a non-0 chance of being killed by their wife or GF. As for men creating boogeyman out of HR and Tit… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/24 02:55 PM |
| 7 | It has never been easier to approach womenSo you try to be a good person and help make women feel comfortable by listening to them? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/24 02:43 PM |
| 6 | It has never been easier to approach womenWhat constitutes harassment will be different for different people. Some people really hate hearing that but there is no actual way to define harassment with any real legal precision other than "what makes you, as an individual, uncomfortable" which just renders it up to the discretion of the individual. Some women might actually be okay with a dirty joke or a sly innuendo, others will be disgusted and annoyed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/24 02:39 PM |
| 14 | It has never been easier to approach womenMost women do not want to be bothered by a guy. There is nothing more readily abundant for women, especially young ones, than male attention. Women do not like a confident guy when he's like the 6th one they have to tell no to in the past 48 hours. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/24 02:36 PM |
| 40 | It has never been easier to approach womenBelieve me, most of the men around here know women want nothing to do with them, especially out on the street. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/24 02:27 PM |
| 15 | It has never been easier to approach womenSomething like 50% of single gen z men claim to have never asked a woman out. I'm late millennial and never have myself. For me it was more personal fear and weird social anxiety hangups. I think for people younger than me stuff like #MeToo and the more rapid feminization of the culture is more of the cause. Online dating has replaced a lot of irl dating where the rules and norms are confusing, hypocritical, and paralyzing. Guys my age used to do just fine in high school and then in college. The… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/24 02:20 PM |
| 13 | It has never been easier to approach womenYeah, if you genuinely listen to women, there are basically no social scenarios where cold approaching is seen as appropriate. Even warm approaching is bad because some women think it will wreck a non-sexual friendship and it's wrong for men to do that. Basically, online dating is the only acceptable thing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/24 02:14 PM |
| 12 | It has never been easier to approach womenYeah, women complain about how date rape and date murder are these epidemics and they are always in fear for their lives. I think they exaggerate but there is always some non-0 chance you can be the victim of a crime. For men, there is always some non-0 chance you get written up or fired by HR or called in by some Title 9 administrator over sexual harassment and get your life ruined. It really is better not to risk it most of the time. Uninhibited men are just going to keep bugging women until t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/24 02:10 PM |
| 3 | Why is a self-admitted hate group like IncelTears allowed to operate on this site?The obsessively catalogue the most bizarre, vile, and random quotes they can find on incel forums. These are terminally online people who feel good about themselves dabbing on the lowest form of male life they can find on the internet. | /r/MensRights | 10/05/24 05:39 AM |
| 1 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.If it's not illegal it's something we will have to accept. That includes deceptive behavior by women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/24 04:04 AM |
| 2 | The effort it takes to keep your partner attracted vs the effort of finding a new partnerI'm 30, it won't. But thanks. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/24 04:03 AM |
| 1 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.I don't support either but it's the situation we have to accept at this point. I would prefer honest alternatives but baring massive shifts thats not going to happen. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/24 11:50 PM |
| 2 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.Women also lie sometimes to get what they want. It's not ethical, but it's part of our current dating scene. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/24 10:32 PM |
| 16 | The effort it takes to keep your partner attracted vs the effort of finding a new partnerBoth are impossible for me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/24 07:27 PM |
| 1 | Women are unable to handle rejectionIt is reliable in that they are posting accurate stories. But if you create a whole sub dedicated to the worst aspects of male behavior you can, in a world with 8 billion people, aggregate a lot of bad news stories. However, women really don't think about the 100 or so guys they reject who will just keep moving and not follow up so they forget them. They'll remember the one guy who gets pissy or angry and use him as their stand in for how all men handle rejection. They certainly aren't aware of … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/24 05:43 PM |
| 2 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.Yeah, it's crazy what some guys are up. I don't know how they do it or why you ladies put up with it. I guess when it's good it's just too good. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/24 03:33 PM |
| 1 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.You should have just left him right there for refusing imo. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/24 03:26 PM |
| 1 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.Oof, thats really bad if his thing still smelled after showering. Not to be too crude but it really doesn't take much to keep a boy's parts clean and neutral smelling so yeah there was probably something else going on. Did you at least make him rubber up? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/24 03:16 PM |
| 2 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.That's fair. If you're still looking you will eventually find someone who isn't a selfish lover or plays silly games. If you have the patience, it is just a matter of time imo. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/24 03:09 PM |
| 1 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.That just sounds like bad hygiene. Regardless, sorry that happened to you and I hope you have better luck in the future. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/24 03:05 PM |
| 3 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.Based on my age (30) and having had pretty much no romantic success going back to as early as middle school when I remember other kids were already flirting I do get why some people (especially men), out of desperation, will just lie. For others they might be able to make it work, but misleading people makes it happen a lot faster. I've never personally done that, and I honestly can't endorse it, but I do understand why people get frustrated and drop the honest and respectful route for one that … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/24 02:02 PM |
| 1 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.I'm not necessarily trying to excuse it, I'm just trying to explain it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/24 01:43 PM |
| 4 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.I'm not that personally interested in doing any of these things, but I do so see some avenues by which people could try it out. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/24 02:53 AM |
| 4 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.State regulation and redistribution of income or wealth all require multiple parties (often more than 2 people) and some degree of government coercion. There are certain moral issues that different types of human interaction like sex or friendship have that in the modern liberal era are mostly seen as off limits in terms of direct government manipulation. At present our current political system is still predicated on the right of 3rd parties (states) having some right to take money, even large a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/24 01:59 AM |
| 2 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.Thanks for the thoughtful reply and I do get your metaphor. If I ever get laid I'll keep all this in mind. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/24 01:53 AM |
| 1 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.I think you and I are mostly in a settled agreement on this. I do think men are generally too selfish relative to women as lovers. Do you think women could do more to demand better stimulation from their partners? I know that I'm putting more of the burden on the woman who are already struggling to climax, but is there some way they could assert their desire to also orgasm from sex? Some men do seem pretty blind to the fact that their partner is mostly left unsatisfied. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/24 01:35 AM |
| 1 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.All right then you're cool in my book. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/24 01:31 AM |
| 4 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.I've heard it used in context where it really did seem to mean a man who was inexperienced with treating women well, both sexually and more generally. This is mostly online. I can't recall hearing it used irl. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/24 01:31 AM |
| 0 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.A major issue I see emerging in this debate/discussion is the issue with honesty. I lot of women don't believe men who say they want a long term relationship for good reasons. If a man does something like admit to being on a dry spell, lonely, or desperate then that is actually pretty good evidence he really does want (need) the chance he is getting. But then he looks kind of desperate which is a turn off. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/24 01:29 AM |
| 3 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.The most sexually successful men were not the most handsome, tallest, funniest or even necessarily the most charming. In general they didn't lie. They just played the numbers game big time and hit on absolutely anything female that moved and was of legal age. Lots of men are not in a position where they can do that. Some resort to lying about love or wanting a long term relationship. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/24 01:26 AM |
| 8 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.No one is entitled to sex. Lying is immoral, but under these circumstances, not illegal. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/24 01:24 AM |
| 7 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.People organize around all types of social issues in order to push for equality or better representation. Although some people might find something as intimate as sex or relationships too trivial or too shallow these are actually a fairly large and important dimension of human existence. Historically, most societies did regulate sex and relationships through norms, taboos, rules, and even laws. I'm not suggesting anything specific (though I have some ideas) or that we even do anything but it is … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/24 01:23 AM |
| 1 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.you get nothing I think that gets to my point. Some people are getting nothing (this also includes some romantically unsuccessful women with no partner). But I would agree that both are valid issues and you might be right to prioritize the female issue over the male one. In theory we could dismiss both groups by just telling people to masturbate but I think you get why that isn't really a solution. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/24 01:13 AM |
| 9 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.There is something of a disconnect within feminism on that issue. Whereas feminists do often see almost no domain of life as being off limits to state manipulation or redistribution (housing, healthcare, income, education, childcare, safety, dignity, etc) they see sex as one area mostly of limits. They'll regulate sex only insofar as they make it more difficult for men to get it via HR making workplaces unfriendlier to dating. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/24 01:10 AM |
| 11 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.I'm just talking about people who are romantically unsuccessful, and thus sexually frustrated. The way you phrased it makes it seem like you are simply saying that men who find it difficult to find casual hookups are morally bad regardless of whether or not they resort to lying. If that is what you mean then I disagree. If you're only talking about people who lie then I am more on your side. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/24 01:05 AM |
| 2 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.Thanks for clarifying, thats what I thought you meant. I do agree, strongly, that female sexual pleasure is important and under appreciated by large numbers of men. I still find your hostility toward male sexual dissatisfaction odd. I don't see why both problems are irreconcilable. Indeed, solving both may reduce the need men feel to lie about their intentions in order to secure sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/24 01:03 AM |
| 7 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.You felt is acceptable to dismiss lots of adult men as "trash" and "pieces of shit". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/24 12:59 AM |
| 6 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.I think it's just easier for you to dismiss large numbers of people as moral lepers rather than engage the possibility some of them might be unlucky. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/24 12:54 AM |
| 2 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.If you want to have a mutually pleasurable sexual encounter with another human, then you’re thinking about it all wrong. You're going to have to explain to me why wanting mutually pleasurable sex is wrong. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/24 12:52 AM |
| 5 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.People commit fraud, insider trading, and theft all the time. People also commit adultery. An enormous amount of pleasure is extracted from unethical behavior including everything from schoolyard bullying to workplace harassment. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/24 12:49 AM |
| 9 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.I think you are being too hard on them. Large numbers of men just aren't that sexy to most women for reasons not always in their control. This results in few opportunities for sexual encounters and some men resort to manipulation or lying. Some men simply drop out. The group who pursue sex with lying can be morally condemned, but I wouldn't condemn each man who is romantically unsuccessful as morally compromised. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/24 12:47 AM |
| 2 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.In fairness women have more powerful and longer lasting orgasms. I would note, however, there is an asymmetry in people's sympathy here. Women are upset about bad sex and not orgasming. Men are upset about no sex at all. Neither group really seems to think the other's complaints are that important. Is there a way to bridge the gap and help both groups? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/24 12:44 AM |
| 0 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.Despite claims of hypergamy amongst women and sexlessness amongst men I'd like to see evidence women are having more sex than men. I think it's plausible they might be having as much or slightly more, but I need proof. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/24 12:41 AM |
| 3 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.Relative to men, women have more active pursuers. Additionally, were a woman to initiate more romantic endeavors she would likely find more willing recipients. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/24 12:31 AM |
| 3 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.That pretty much covers my defintion accept the man may or may not be conventionally attractive. I still find it difficult to believe that being conventionally attractive doesn't increase someone's odds of casual relations. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/24 12:27 AM |
| 3 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.I agree the male demand (want) for sex is much greater. I think male consumption of pornography and sex work is good evidence of that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/24 12:21 AM |
| 1 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.Based on the women I know almost all of them have had this experience. Whether or not they are still bitter 10 years later I don't know. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/24 12:20 AM |
| 2 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.All of us have a certain amount of wants and desires. Money, fame, friends, health, political victories, etc. A large number of people desire sexual encounters. I don't believe there should be some quota or that anyone has some right to sex. However, some romantically unsuccessful people have 0 sexual encounters or spend protracted amounts of time and lots of money and resources unsuccessfully pursing relationships and or sex. I'm curious about finding ways to help these individuals become more … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/24 12:16 AM |
| 5 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.Deeming large numbers of men as not good enough or beneath you doesn't invalidate them as legitimate options. Across a number of domains in life we often have to pick from a number of bad options, opting for the least bad ones. It happens with jobs, homes, apartments, where we live, etc. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/24 12:06 AM |
| 11 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.I've known a few men who were highly promiscuous and it never seemed to harm them long run. This was during our current social media age. There tends to be a kind of snowballing effect where these men are seen as more attractive because they get so many women and some of the women even fight for them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/24 12:04 AM |
| 7 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.Many women can have dozens of men pursuing them via work, school, and social media. Thats without proactively using a dating app. So, it's unrealistic that any random man will be the one when the woman may have 10-20 options. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/24 12:01 AM |
| 7 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.If you break the law, you should also be prepared for the consequences. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/24 11:57 PM |
| 1 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.So, how does it work? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/24 11:54 PM |
| 8 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.You still can't commit property destruction. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/24 11:53 PM |
| 0 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.Most men appear to be romantically and sexually worthless to most women most of the time. This leads to too few casual sexual encounters from the perspective of some men. I'm not sure what the optimal number is but based on the general sentiments of men on this sub and the internet more generally it appears to be too low. Feminists have suggested deconstructing traditional fatphobic, ableist, ageist, and Eurocentric beauty standards amongst many others as a means of helping women feel more beaut… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/24 11:52 PM |
| 4 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.k | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/24 11:42 PM |
| 9 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.Yes and no. If it's legal they can do it, but you can't destroy property because you are mad someone doesn't want to be your bf. In the same way men aren't owed sex just because they spent money on a nice date, women aren't owed a relationship because they put out. It's worth mentioning both men and women can and do use each other for sex or resources. Women do, on occasion, use men for free food. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/24 11:42 PM |
| 2 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.Most women who are having casual sex or claim to be "promiscuous" aren't actually that promiscuous. At least not enough to satisfy men to the point where men could be more honest about their intentions. But they are having just enough casual sex to keep many men's interests peaked. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/24 11:38 PM |
| 5 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.You want to have casual relations with people you aren't turned on by? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/24 11:33 PM |
| 4 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.No. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/24 11:28 PM |
| 4 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.I don't actually agree that it's ethical, but I do think it's inevitable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/24 11:28 PM |
| 5 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.Very charming, very physically attractive. Someone you want to have relations with because you are strongly turned on by them, but would be very unlikely to ever settle down with. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/24 11:26 PM |
| 5 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.Having some weird drawn out conversation about wanting casual sex is also a turn off for most women. That just sounds needy and creepy. Most women don't want that conversation with a stranger or a male acquaintance. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/24 11:24 PM |
| 18 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.Most women don't want "scrubs" ie, inexperienced males who are poor performers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/24 11:23 PM |
| 8 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.I think GSS still reports that women, on average, are still having about 6 or so partners over the course of a lifetime. When it comes to casual sex women are not that interested in having it with most men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/24 11:22 PM |
| 20 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.That would be odd, but it would be within your right to try and pursue it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/24 11:21 PM |
| 4 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.Making overt sexual passes at women is a major turn off for most of them. Men can't actually be that forward and so have to resort to some degree of misleading. Very few men are a woman's ideal candidate for a one night stand. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/24 11:19 PM |
| -2 | Based on the "logic" of the Sexual Revolution and women's observed behavior there is nothing wrong with men wanting casual sex and not settling down. We should anticipate this behavior.The odds of casual sexual encounters are rare for a somewhat large number of men. If lying increases their chances for more sex and it's not illegal then we have to accept some degree of lying. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/24 11:18 PM |
| 2 | Do Some Men Prefer Women with Low Self-Esteem? Why?I think it's safe to say you're a white knight who always deep reads the worst possible intentions into most male behavior. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/24 07:32 PM |
| 1 | Is this actually good datng advice fo women?In her case, Sheryl Sandberg is a billionaire, it's not about money or bills, but more so about a consistent reliable partner to settle down with. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/24 07:24 PM |
| 3 | What do you think of passport bros?A quick google search revealed (via the CDC) that in 2022 there were 2,065,905 new marriages in the USA alone. I doubt even 1% of those involved men we could call "passport bros". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/24 06:17 PM |
| 10 | Do Some Men Prefer Women with Low Self-Esteem? Why?There is a cliche about women dating "bad boys" because they think they can "fix them". There is some truth to it. There are some men who date women with low-self esteem who have a similar mindset of helping and empowering her. I have known a few men who are with women that came from chaotic or bad backgrounds who helped elevate those women. They weren't in it just to be with someone desperate. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/24 06:14 PM |
| 2 | What do you think of passport bros?If it's two consenting adults, it really isn't my business. I do feel bad that some men are so desperate they have to travel half-way around the globe to a different culture in hopes of finding someone more compatible. I don't think it's a very major phenomena. What percent of new marriages in the USA or Canada are amongst people we could reasonably define as "passport bros"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/24 06:07 PM |
| 3 | “Hive mind” is male-speak for “consideration of and for others.”Okay, I do have one last question. How do you, personally, evaluate if you think someone is being sincere or not? It seems like something you can never really know at first. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/24 05:50 PM |
| 0 | Do Some Men Prefer Women with Low Self-Esteem? Why?No one said finding the right relationship would be easy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/24 05:37 PM |
| 5 | “Hive mind” is male-speak for “consideration of and for others.”I think you're just upset the video actually did expose some women for being a bit more stand offish and are trying to find a way blame him. The "energy he’s putting out there" is ambiguous and not some precise measurable thing. It's really not a big deal that some women are defiant like that and if anything it will probably discourage some men from trying to "cold approach" on the street. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/24 05:35 PM |
| 4 | “Hive mind” is male-speak for “consideration of and for others.”We have different thresholds for what constitutes aggressiveness then. Even your conception of sincerity seems off. In this context he was trying to do a little informal experiment. You didn't like the experiment, but it seemed pretty harmless. The only real issue is that it wasn't a carefully done scientific one. There may have been other women who were less hostile he chose not to show us to bias his video. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/24 05:29 PM |
| 1 | “Hive mind” is male-speak for “consideration of and for others.”When women talk about "Consideration and care for others" they are saying the government should spend more money of explicitly pro-female issues or welfare that disproportionately benefits women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/24 05:25 PM |
| 8 | “Hive mind” is male-speak for “consideration of and for others.”Women can reject about 100 guys who will just keep moving and not follow up so they forget them. They'll remember the one guy who gets pissy or angry and use him as their stand in for how all men handle rejection. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/24 05:19 PM |
| 2 | “Hive mind” is male-speak for “consideration of and for others.”Under what conditions would it be appropriate for him to talk to people in public? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/24 05:15 PM |
| 4 | “Hive mind” is male-speak for “consideration of and for others.”How is that acting "like a jackass". Is it morally condemnable to just talking to people in public? He didn't swear, he didn't make it sexual, he didn't touch them, he let them walk away without getting angry. How much softer can he be? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/24 05:05 PM |
| 9 | “Hive mind” is male-speak for “consideration of and for others.”There is a special place in hell for women who don't help other women. — Madeleine Albright I don't agree with Pearl's rather over the top "women are the root of all evil" anti-feminism. But women who break from the broader feminist narrative get treated pretty poorly by other women. There is this weird sense that women have some kind of moral obligation to support each other and that the feminist movement speaks for them, so they have to back it all the time. Obviously, the real world is more c… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/24 05:03 PM |
| 2 | Is this actually good datng advice fo women?My guess is she thinks you get all the positives of a relationship without being legally tethered to them. Dating around gives you "options" and you get to find out who/what you like. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/24 04:51 PM |
| 6 | Do you imagine what the opposite gender version of yourself is when judging the opposite gender?Male desperation is a genuine turn off for some women and yeah the depravity some men will engage in is gross. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/24 04:43 PM |
| 20 | Do you imagine what the opposite gender version of yourself is when judging the opposite gender?I have younger sisters and female cousins. They are all doing way better than me romantically and always have. We can't really do a scientific experiment but I think our siblings and other close relatives are the closest thing to a control group we have. The are genetically close to us and got the same parenting and shared environment. Amongst male friends with sisters I've noticed the sisters do a bit better, more of them are getting married and if they want to date they are pretty much constan… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/24 04:42 PM |
| 1 | Do Some Men Prefer Women with Low Self-Esteem? Why?Women with low self-esteem are still hypergamous. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/24 04:19 PM |
| 4 | Do Some Men Prefer Women with Low Self-Esteem? Why?Good post. It's about finding that golden mean where you balance healthy self-love with realistic self-awareness. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/24 03:46 PM |
| 1 | Twitter Misandry: “mAsCuLiNiTy BaD, mMkAy!!!”People like to try and find rules and norms in dating and male-female relationships as if they were scientific laws. "Men like x, women always prefer y, men love it when you do z". Some rules of thumb seem true with only a few exceptions, some of these rules are just flat out wrong or too inconsistent. I really do think that one pretty strong rule I can attest to from every couple I've ever known is that the man is always more masculine than the woman, and the woman more feminine than the man. I… | /r/MensRights | 08/05/24 12:37 PM |
| 1 | Q4M: What's your feelings towards women?I love and admire women but am deathly afraid of them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/05/24 02:08 AM |
| 1 | FEMINISM WEEKLY DISCUSSION THREADMy general thoughts on feminism and the "battle of the sexes". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/24 09:38 PM |
| 1 | Why do certain conservatives want to get rid of no fault divorce?I agree. In the modern world marriage is really more of a business contract. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/24 07:30 AM |
| -5 | Women are as likely, or more likely, to be physically aggressive in relationships compared to menPretty much all able bodied men are stronger than all women and they have better reflexes. You can just restrain them pretty easily. Women aren't even that good at handling guns. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/24 01:39 AM |
| -10 | Women are as likely, or more likely, to be physically aggressive in relationships compared to menI honestly don't care and male violence against women needs to be taken more seriously. Sorry, but women are much smaller and weaker than men, they aren't a serious threat, even with a weapon like a knife or bottle. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/24 01:36 AM |
| 1 | The reason why women aren't actively trying to date men is because they were told that men need to pursue a woman, otherwise she is labeled as "needy/clingy" for showing interest.It is weird for me personally to conceptualize because I hate pursuing to the point I've never actually done it. But I do think I know what you mean about people who have done it. The most sexually succesful men I've ever known were not the tallest, best looking, funniest, richest or even most charming, they just played the numbers game non-stop. I think they did like it but I will note some of them got as pissy and moody when things didn't go there way and they had to move on. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/24 12:12 AM |
| 19 | Why do certain conservatives want to get rid of no fault divorce?Religion, basically. Marriage is either a sacrament or it is considered very important. There are lots of little reasons people don't like no fault, feel free to agree or disagree with any of them. Making divorce easy cheapens marriage Two parent households are better for children Protection of the woman from poverty It helps control human sexuality by giving men and women safe boundaries to have relations in Making it difficult to annul marriage encourages better choice making Historically, som… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/05/24 12:07 AM |
| 1 | The reason why women aren't actively trying to date men is because they were told that men need to pursue a woman, otherwise she is labeled as "needy/clingy" for showing interest.But, in most cases, my vulnerability never really worked out for me. And of the guys (except for one) I were honest with, they took advantage of the fact an attractive woman was into them, and ended up using and discarding me. Post-sexual revolution women need to expect this. We live in a time where large numbers of adult males expect and assume that they can and will have casual sex with no strings attached. Large numbers of young adult men are aware of the fact that some women really are okay … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/24 11:51 PM |
| 1 | The reason why women aren't actively trying to date men is because they were told that men need to pursue a woman, otherwise she is labeled as "needy/clingy" for showing interest.Not all men enjoy it. Some of the men who chase love to chase. You never interact with the guys who don't chase so your sample of men who chase is just men who chase. You don't know the guys who don't play the game and forget the guys who give up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/05/24 11:38 PM |
| 1 | Women Proudly Admitting To Hitting Men & Say Accusations Will NOT Be Taken Seriously If ReportedPoe's Law? | /r/MensRights | 03/05/24 10:11 PM |
| 5 | Men more willing to date sex workers than women are to date people who were clients of sex work.Unless they are religious, your explanation is probably true. This is a bit like that whole "body count" issue. A lot of women are actually turned off by a man they see as too promiscuous. | /r/MensRights | 03/05/24 08:47 PM |
| – | Do you agree with ChatGPT on this.... why?I get that trivial stuff might be off putting, but what about more serious issues or a reversal in the situation. A man may have had a bad childhood but his wife is upset over some shallow office drama? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/24 10:58 PM |
| 1 | How do you think this "gender war" is going to end?This is why there is no pleasing women lol | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/24 10:55 PM |
| – | Do you agree with ChatGPT on this.... why?Thank you for the thoughtful reply. Is there a better way for men to communicate their feelings to women in your view? I have no experience with relationships but my assumption is that in an intimate relationship there would be some expectation that you and your partner can be open with each other and that your partner is your first go to. I'm curious if you have advice for men or maybe this is too subjective and case by case on what people are prepared to deal with. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/24 10:52 PM |
| – | Do you agree with ChatGPT on this.... why?Emotional Expression: Society often encourages men to suppress emotions, which can hinder connection and intimacy in relationships. Anecdotally, I've known enough men to say this isn't a society issue. Its a fear of looking weak in front of women issue. There is this term I'm heard called "trauma dumping" where women complain that their husband or boyfriend is being too emotional or talking about his problems too much. There is no fine line of when your venting becomes too much so for many guys … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/24 10:25 PM |
| 2 | How do you think this "gender war" is going to end?I wasn't aware of that. It's probably a way to push back against the notion that men are violent. I was just thinking of a close lesbian friend of mine who has gone through some bad break ups (nothing violent, thankfully). She sometimes jokes with her male friends that "women are just here to ruin our lives". | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/24 09:28 PM |
| 0 | How do you think this "gender war" is going to end?Likely, over time, (smart) men are just going to accommodate women more as men want women more than women want men. They are going to have to figure out how to leverage skills and behaviors unrelated to just being a provider to hitch up. Women are not going to change for men, they never really have to. Simply put, women, even feminist ones, have fairly traditional attitudes toward men and their issues - man up, get tough, and solve your own problems. Any man betting on a big shift in public atti… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/24 09:23 PM |
| -5 | How do you think this "gender war" is going to end?Yeah, 80-20 rule is flipped. A non-trivial minority of men (20-30%) are sexually frustrated. Thats not great, but it won't end the world. If we hit 50%+ that might be a problem. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/24 09:10 PM |
| 6 | How do you think this "gender war" is going to end?Lesbian relationships aren't much better than heterosexual ones. Abuse and divorce/break ups are roughly as common. If women think they'll find peace and solace in a relationship with another women they've got another thing coming. Across the board relationships are often difficult. Men may not be great, but women have their own issues. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/24 09:07 PM |
| 7 | How do you think this "gender war" is going to end?I'm 5'9 120 lbs. Twinky enough or should I lose more weight? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/24 08:48 PM |
| 1 | Feminist author Kate Lister uses feminist statistics and feminist logic to calculate that bears are safer to be around than menThey're actually doubling down on this? If women spent as much time around bears as they do men I doubt their lives would be safer. This is like saying cows are more dangerous than sharks because more humans are killed by them. That's true, but humans spend much more time near and working with cattle than sharks. | /r/MensRights | 02/05/24 01:32 PM |
| – | The 80:20 rule some men push is flipped.Do women not want at least some sexual validation? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/24 07:04 AM |
| 4 | Some "Feminists" assert that various women's health conditions such as Endometriosis and pain are supposedly dismissed by the medical establishment because of "Sexism".The Sex Bias Myth in Medicine | /r/MensRights | 02/05/24 06:28 AM |
| 8 | Some "Feminists" assert that various women's health conditions such as Endometriosis and pain are supposedly dismissed by the medical establishment because of "Sexism".For a few decades after the thalidomide disaster the FDA prevented women of child bearing age from being involved in medical tests precisely for their own safety. At present the NIH, the largest source of medical research funding in the USA, spends more on female sex-specific health research. | /r/MensRights | 02/05/24 06:18 AM |
| 1 | Some "Feminists" assert that various women's health conditions such as Endometriosis and pain are supposedly dismissed by the medical establishment because of "Sexism".Pain is an incredible complex, subjective, and personal thing. It does seem like "pain" as this spontaneous phenomena unlinked to any obvious ailment is something that impacts women more then men. But it's also genuinely kind of a medical mystery so actually studying and solving it may not be a priority compared to things that could be cured in a more straightforward way. | /r/MensRights | 02/05/24 06:13 AM |
| 1 | N COUNTS WEEKLY DISCUSSION THREADAdvice for a 30 y/o male w/ 0 romantic history on how to get started in dating? Loneliness is starting to take it's toll. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/24 04:05 AM |
| 5 | Data from Glacier National Park on Homicides deaths vs Bear Attacks proves that man encounters are safer than bear encountersI can't explain why exactly I felt annoyed by this recent phenomena, but I do admit that I feel kind of personally attacked when I see women say they would feel safer around a bear than a random man because I'm random a man. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/24 03:36 AM |
| 3 | Data from Glacier National Park on Homicides deaths vs Bear Attacks proves that man encounters are safer than bear encountersThe issue of missing or kidnapped American Indian women has been big enough as a news story for some time now it seems like people care. If you look across the world at situations like Boko Haram kidnappings, the Israeli hostage situation, or the Ukraine war there is a general tendency for both the media and governments to prioritize the safety and security of women regardless of age. Boko Haram kidnapped large numbers of boys but the emphasis was primarily on "bringing back our girls". I do agr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/24 03:29 AM |
| 7 | Data from Glacier National Park on Homicides deaths vs Bear Attacks proves that man encounters are safer than bear encountersWhen you're just a normal non-criminal guy and you suddenly see a bunch of women claim you are worse than an animal known for being somewhat dangerous you're likely going to be confused, annoyed, and at least somewhat defensive. Imagine you're just going about your day and you find out a bunch of people very seriously think there's a solid chance you are either a rapist or could be a potential one given the opportunity. I'm not saying women have no legitimate claim to talk about safety issues bu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/05/24 03:19 AM |
| – | Why do most people on average give such horrible dating advice for men?I knew a girl who was given flowers on a first date. So she slept with the guy and the next day he completely ghosted/blocked her on every means of communication they had been using. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/04/24 11:06 PM |
| – | Why do most people on average give such horrible dating advice for men?Agreed, trying to give advice on "what women want" is bound to be difficult given that women aren't all the same and each one wants something a little different. Aside from some very vague and general things like "be confident" or "have a good sense of humor" (which is itself ambiguous because people all laugh at different things) there isn't that much you can tell men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/04/24 11:05 PM |
| – | How Should Women Hold Themselves Accountable?I don't know and honestly don't care that much. I follow a rough 80-20 rule with people's life outcomes. Most problems individual men have are their own and not societies, women's, or other men's. Same for women. It's not really your job, or women's, to help men. It's nice when we help each other, but we're not morally obligated to. If I you really had to push me I guess just be more open to the idea that men don't actually have a decisive edge over women and are probably working roughly as hard… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/24 11:15 PM |
| – | How Should Women Hold Themselves Accountable?This is more a problem I have with feminism than women per se (although a majority of women now say they are feminists). But I think they are creating and maintaining an empathy gap that inculcates the general popuatlion to believe males have a decisive advantage over women which results in most gendered policies favoring helping women even if unnecessary. In general I don't think women are nearly as empathetic toward men ad they claim they are and this results in indifference or antipathy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/24 10:57 PM |
| – | How Should Women Hold Themselves Accountable?Women are about 50-51% of the population so in all likelihood they have a lot to do with it as voters, consumers, and citizens who help shape and create our economy and culture. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/24 10:45 PM |
| – | How Should Women Hold Themselves Accountable?Many women come off as fairly hostile or indifferent to men almost to the point they don't even think many have any real issues. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/24 09:56 PM |
| – | How Should Women Hold Themselves Accountable?I never said that anyone is owed anything. Rather, that some people despite an honest effort don't get what they're striving for. It happens to everyone across a number of dimensions of life. This has nothing to do with our social or emotional maturity. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/24 09:00 PM |
| 1 | How Should Women Hold Themselves Accountable?Couldn't at least some of that be do to their upbringing which was at least partially out of their control? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/24 08:56 PM |
| – | How Should Women Hold Themselves Accountable?I think you are creating a bit of an unfalsifiable "no true Scotsman". Person A: No good man could ever be single! Person B: What about that guy, he seems fine and is single despite putting in a good effort. Person A: Then it most be his own fault, he needs to do better! Person B: He bettered himself in numerous ways but is still struggling. Person A: No good man could ever be single! He didn't really improve. He needs to do better! Yes, there are lots of immature guys, yes there are there are p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/24 04:34 PM |
| 1 | How Should Women Hold Themselves Accountable?I have mixed feelings about this. It takes two to tango. It really doesn't matter how great a person you are or the positive choices you make if for broader structural reasons or just dumb luck there isn't anyone interested in you then that's it. I think you are creating a bit of an unfalsifiable "no true Scotsman". No genuinely good man could ever be single? The somewhat sudden uptick in single young adult men who all seem to be having the same stroke of bad luck suggests there may be some broa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/24 04:29 PM |
| 1 | Biden's due process thingIt's unlikely, but given these standards a joke or compliment could get you kicked off campus if it's perceived as hostile. It's ultimately up to those (likely a woman with feminist attitudes) adjudicating on the issue. The reality is this probably won't matter much because most women are fairly agreeable and reasonable and understand that college is a place where dating happens and that young men are going to often make the first move. Women usually do give men some wiggle room to flirt and be … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/24 03:28 AM |
| 3 | Study finds feminists don't hate men"They lied both ways!" Totally plausible. "You're STILL ignoring the fact that women's results were comparable to men, yet only women are being accused of lying." No one here has a strong reason to believe that the men would lie. But it is possible they did. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/24 02:49 AM |
| – | Study finds feminists don't hate menYour comment on "The View" is intersting and illustrates an important point. We take for granted certain representations of men as violent, buffoonish, or incompetent but don't seriously think of them as being harmful stereotypes. Anecdotally, it does seem women are more likely to claim they don't need men than men are to claim they don't need women. We may, as a society, simply have lower standards regarding our idea of what constitutes illegitimate hostility or unfairness towards men than we d… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/04/24 09:08 PM |
| – | Study finds feminists don't hate menMost probably don't, but some have counterproductive or ludicrous views. As a movement I think feminism ultimately encourages hostility and indifference towards men, though often unintentionally. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/04/24 09:00 PM |
| – | Study finds feminists don't hate menWhether its understating hostility or overstating warmth, the issue with surveys is people having the temptation to present themselves in a more favorable light. Regarding honesty on surveys it's a generally acknowledged problem that people won't always give you a totally honest answer. People report far less drug usage than hair or urine test samples actually show. Regarding the women's responses to the survey, the most important comparison to my way of thinking is between the feminist identify… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/04/24 08:59 PM |
| – | Study finds feminists don't hate menThey define misandry as "anti-male sentiment" but even that is an ambiguous idea. People do have different thresholds for what constitutes unfair, biased, or even hateful ideas and behavior. You could in theory compare the attitudes feminist women have toward men and women and see which group they favor. Even then, gaps in perception may not be do to animosity per se. If women perceive men as more dangerous that's not necessarily unfair because more men are violent criminals, it would just prese… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/04/24 08:47 PM |
| – | Study finds feminists don't hate menThis is probably the best attitude to have. Recognize that most women (and lots of men) will just call themselves feminists, but not actually be feminists, and that the true crazies will never actually win. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/04/24 08:41 PM |
| – | Study finds feminists don't hate menThey hate men but still love sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/04/24 08:34 PM |
| – | Study finds feminists don't hate menIn the authors own section on limitations they do actually consider the possibility of feminist women overstating their warmth towards men. I'm not against surveying people's opinions but the costs of lying on them are low and people tend to present themselves more favorably on surveys, usually underreporting things seen as bad (crime) and over reporting good things (how much they read). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/04/24 08:20 PM |
| – | Study finds feminists don't hate men"I feel that man-hating is an honourable and viable political act." - Robin Morgan "To call a man an animal is to flatter him; he's a machine, a walking dildo." -Valerie Solanas "I would put them all in all in some kind of camp...take them out like a library book." -Julie Bindel "All men are rapists, that's all they are." - Marilyn French "I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high heel shoved in his mouth like an apple in the mouth of a pig"- Andrea Dworkin "Rape is nothing more or… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/04/24 08:14 PM |
| 1 | Women secretly hate other womenIt also often isn't a secret. It's fairly obvious some women don't like other women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/24 07:49 AM |
| 96 | Financial analyst nicknamed the "Oracle of Wall Street" says a "growing crisis of the young American male" will cause house prices to fall as much as 30 percentGood, then I can afford one. | /r/MensRights | 24/04/24 06:26 PM |
| 15 | Whenever women whine about men caring about body counts, remember that over half of them wouldn’t date a virginBeing a virgin as an adult male is a "red flag". If you're past "normal" college age (~18-22) and haven't been with anyone that suggests to some women something is really off with you. I think a lot of women want a man that other women want, but who will be monogamous with them. | /r/MensRights | 24/04/24 06:13 PM |
| 1 | I Lost Status When I Transitioned from Female to “Male”So far these types of videos and essays are still anecdotal but they are intersting. These f2m transgendered people live in a culture that tells them that men live much better lives than women. Allegedly men are doing less work for more recognition, being given jobs or promotions for nothing other than being men, receiving better grades just for being men, are held to lower or no standards, walk around feeling confident and safe, get sex from women easily, and just having more fun. No one tells … | /r/MensRights | 24/04/24 05:25 PM |
| 38 | Whenever women whine about men caring about body counts, remember that over half of them wouldn’t date a virginThis is an interesting point, getting a lot of partners doesn't mean you're good in bed, it means you're good at getting partners. | /r/MensRights | 24/04/24 03:17 PM |
| 1 | South Korean government offers almost $100K per baby to combat “national extinction”One of the best policy proposals (I'm unaware of any country actually doing this) is to simply exempt a parent/family from having to pay income taxes for a few years if they have a 3rd, 4th, or 5th child etc. Regarding cost/benefit analysis I believe that the expected future taxes paid by the children when the become adults is generally considered much greater than the taxes revenue lost so it might pay to try this. | /r/MensRights | 24/04/24 12:35 AM |
| 6 | South Korean government offers almost $100K per baby to combat “national extinction”It's possible some pro-natalist policies are causing birthrates to decline less rapidly. | /r/MensRights | 24/04/24 12:23 AM |
| 1 | How Women Actually Use Dating AppsThe paradox of choice seems to be at play. We have more options and easier access to finding someone than ever. But despite the ability to instant message people across the world dating and relationships seem to be on the decline, at least for some. If you grew up in a small town before the internet your pool of option was pretty limited if you never moved far away. If you live in a major metropolitan region now you're probably in a dating pool with tens of thousands of people to "pick" from. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/04/24 05:04 PM |
| 2 | Perfect Example of Femcel LogicIt's a shit-test. And as I usual I failed. | /r/MensRights | 23/04/24 02:54 AM |
| 1 | Why are feminists more concerned with invalidating men's struggles/issues than actually advocating for the issues that they are literally concerned on the behalf of women?I've noticed the same thing. There is a massive emphasis there on delegitimizing and "debunking" any issues men claim to have will simultaneously claiming that the care about harms the patriarchy imposes on men. In some ways it makes sense given they believe that men are inherently privileged so why would you ever care about any "problems" they have? | /r/MensRights | 22/04/24 04:25 AM |
| 2 | Why are feminists more concerned with invalidating men's struggles/issues than actually advocating for the issues that they are literally concerned on the behalf of women?Feminism has far more mainstream clout, especially in academia. There is no real world equivalent to MR activism. It's mostly an online phenomena and often anonymous given the stigma. Even if both ideologies are wrong or hyperbolic feminism being far more mainstream automatically makes it worse because then it has legitimacy in the eyes of policymakers, activists, and the public. | /r/MensRights | 22/04/24 04:23 AM |
| 8 | A more comprehensive post on why women handle being alone better than men, and why we need to find solutions to that.Paul Dolan's work on happiness (the principal source informing the Psychology Today article) needs to be taken with a grain of salt. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/04/24 07:50 PM |
| – | Women accept being alone better than menI'm sorry to hear that. Again, all I can do is offer advice. But suppose you live to be 90. I just don't think its good you spend the rest of your life thinking about what could have been instead of trying to move on and create something else. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/04/24 07:00 PM |
| – | Women accept being alone better than menIn your opening statement you claim "But at about 26 I accepted I would be alone forever and came to terms with it. It was depressing but I found meaning to my life." Yet here you state "When I say alone I mean truly ALONE, noone touches me. Yes, I cry a lot. I don't pretend to be happy alone, I'm not, I'm sad and unhappy." This just doesn't sound like a good way of coping. My advice to you, for what little it's worth, is you need to put yourself out there and make some friends. At 34 you are no… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/04/24 06:35 PM |
| – | Women accept being alone better than menThe biggest problem for men and women who are lonely is that to overcome it you do have to put in some effort and at least temporarily make yourself worse off by putting yourself into social situations where you can make friends but have to possibly be rejected or feel out of place and awkward. Making the initial effort is difficult but the reward is pretty great. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/04/24 06:11 PM |
| – | Women accept being alone better than menI agree, there really needs to be some way of comparing life outcomes of men and women who are both unmarried and report having few friends or social interactions. Based on actual research it does appear that males are much more likely to cope with stress or pain in ways that are very self-destructive or anti-social. Crime, drinking, opioids, suicide. If you can prove thats how they deal with having no friends than OP might be right. Women do seem much better at pursuing therapy and seeking out … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/04/24 05:31 PM |
| 3 | Why do women like giving blowjobs?For real. The guy is probably getting off to so many of these answers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/04/24 09:05 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadWomen have certain social advantages and even institutionalized ones. The world does more to accommodate them more than men. However, they also have periods, menopause, can get pregnant, and are somewhat more hormonal which might make it harder for them to be happy even if their material circumstances are better. I also do think that women spend a lot of time 2nd guessing how men treat them under the guise the man might be trying to bang her. Women are the overwhelming majority of victims of sex… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/04/24 12:19 AM |
| 2 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadThis is just cope. My main point was that neither men nor women have a decisive edge over the other. Ask yourself this, if I were born the opposite sex, but were still as smart, hardworking, good looking etc would I really be significantly better or worse off? The answer for most average people is no because most men and women are kind of average. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/04/24 12:02 AM |
| 2 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadThanks. I'll keep that all in mind. I'm thinking of reposting on the feminism-mra debate page. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/04/24 11:47 PM |
| 1 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadI wonder if it would be acceptable for me to post my essay in one of the community general chats. I felt like people were saying some interesting things. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/04/24 11:21 PM |
| 2 | Daily Community Chat MegathreadI recently posted a thread titled "You Are All Wrong" that got taken down with no explanation. I thought the post was generating some useful debate/discussion. Any idea why that might have happened? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/04/24 11:16 PM |
| – | You're all wrong.What advice would you give men to make life easier for pregnant women and mothers? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/04/24 10:43 PM |
| – | You're all wrong.Some thoughts. And statements like “men sacrifice more to the sake of earning” is a weird way to talk about economic advancement, especially when it was not mirrored in your statement about women earning less money, as if they also aren’t sacrificing their careers and economic potential for their husbands while they do motherly things You could frame it in this sense. Men sacrifice more of life in the career/life balance and women sacrifice more career. Men will simply spend more time commuting … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/04/24 10:10 PM |
| – | You're all wrong.Blackpill ideology is a road to nowhere. I'm not sure if you are black pilled about men or women but you just shouldn't think about half of humanity as hostile to you or an enemy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/04/24 09:55 PM |
| – | You're all wrong.I worry about men and women gradually drifting apart and this resulting in an empathy gap. Marriage rates are going down and men appear to be reporting fewer friends and close friends overall. Colleges are also majority woman now. In some areas men and women are interacting more because more women are working than ever so they have to interact more as employees. I don't think the situation is a disaster but it's clearly suboptimal. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/04/24 09:55 PM |
| – | You're all wrong.That's more a problem with media prioritizing sensationalism and doomerism. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/04/24 09:49 PM |
| – | You're all wrong.Thanks for the thoughtful reply. Women appear to have the upper hand in relationships now. I have no solution to fix that and find love for all the single men. Vague solutions like men "doing better" are a non-starter. Asking women to lower their standards ( even if they can be "proven" to be too high) is also a non-starter, people have a right to their tastes and preferences. I think the USA will just end up like Japan with a large number of sexless adults who just stay alone and thats it. I al… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/04/24 09:49 PM |
| 1 | What are your thoughts on male suicide rates?Suicide rates vary a lot by nation and they are also pretty much always higher for men than women. The variation does mean cultural and other environmental factors can make a difference which should offer some hope that they can be reduced. It's not always clear what causes them or why some places have low rates. Religious and cultural taboos probably discourage them in some places. Stress, frustration, loneliness, even bad whether cause them in other societies. | /r/MensRights | 04/04/24 12:02 AM |
| 1 | My experience as a man going to therapyFor the most part therapy is unnecessary. Lots of close friends and exercise are much better. To be a therapist you have to go through the educational system which is very feminized so most of them will not politically align with you. | /r/MensRights | 28/03/24 06:44 PM |
| 9 | Feminist dead giveawayThe last 200 years is a strange time period to pick. That's the age that saw the birth and emergence of women's rights movements and the most progress they've ever made. | /r/MensRights | 20/03/24 04:45 PM |
| 30 | Feminist dead giveaway"I feel that man-hating is an honourable and viable political act." - Robin Morgan "To call a man an animal is to flatter him; he's a machine, a walking dildo." -Valerie Solanas "I would put them all in all in some kind of camp...take them out like a library book." -Julie Bindel "All men are rapists, that's all they are." - Marilyn French "I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high heel shoved in his mouth like an apple in the mouth of a pig"- Andrea Dworkin "Rape is nothing more or… | /r/MensRights | 20/03/24 03:01 PM |
| 28 | Feminist dead giveawayMen actually have a more positive attitudes towards women than they do other men. | /r/MensRights | 20/03/24 02:56 PM |
| 6 | Isn't all of this true though?Academia and certain parts of the media downstream from it are clearly hostile toward male heterosexuality. The whole of society isn't in my view, but if one were to be a good feminist ally and truly internalize their dogma, you couldn't even talk about women in private. If you don't believe me, here are some commercials on how to help you be a better man. One Two | /r/MensRights | 16/03/24 05:58 PM |
| 13 | Washington Post article on "Are we dating the same guy?" where reviews about men who online date are postedShe has every right to be upset and leave him. | /r/MensRights | 02/03/24 11:46 PM |
| 9 | Washington Post article on "Are we dating the same guy?" where reviews about men who online date are postedI'm from a Christian background and am against all infidelity. Men and women who want monogamy have a right to leave anyone who won't commit. However, the logic, culture and actual incentive structure of our world (modern English language countries) has made it so some men (and I guess some women) can enjoy the pleasure of sex with lots of partners. I don't necessarily buy this hard "80-20" rule, but there are clearly some men women go for more. If those guys aren't personally bound to any stric… | /r/MensRights | 02/03/24 11:37 PM |
| 30 | Washington Post article on "Are we dating the same guy?" where reviews about men who online date are posted"Are We Dating the Same Guy?" Probably. The existence of this group was inevitable, even predictable. A small number of desirable men are dating and sleeping around with multiple women. The net impact of the sexual revolution is less sex for young adult males. "When looking at age and gender together, 63% of men under 30 describe themselves as single, compared with 34% of women in the same age group" Men have always been more likely to cheat and sleep around but online dating takes this age-old … | /r/MensRights | 02/03/24 08:48 PM |
| 1 | Comment said first two points contradicted. Want to double-check if they do, and maybe see if there was any more stuff in addition.Right of the bat they are wrong when they claimed women who work full time earn less than men. Full time does not literally mean 40 hours. Men who work full time actually do work more hours per week than women. However, even among full-time workers (those usually working 35 hours or more per week), men worked longer than women—8.4 hours compared with 7.8 hours. Bureau of Labor Statistics | /r/AntiFeminists | 26/02/24 04:21 AM |
| 1 | University celebrates sexism - Science is FemaleAnd people wonder why fewer and fewer men are going to college. This is so silly. | /r/MensRights | 12/11/23 09:36 PM |
| 1 | Study predicts that almost half of all women (25-44) will be single by 2030Marriage (and relationships) do seem hard to maintain in the modern world. If one person is even a little unhappy or unsure they can drop the whole thing in one second. Without any social mechanisms to enforce monogamy it seems to crumble. | /r/MensRights | 08/11/23 05:34 PM |
| 3 | Study predicts that almost half of all women (25-44) will be single by 2030I'm amazed at how rapidly marriage rates and birthrates collapsed in the last ~100 years. Between the mid 19th and mid 20th century the Western world paved the way in for female liberation and then the rest followed a few decades behind. After millennia where most people in most societies were expected to get married and have kids it all completely changed in a few decades. | /r/MensRights | 08/11/23 05:10 PM |
| 3 | Study predicts that almost half of all women (25-44) will be single by 2030Thanks lol | /r/MensRights | 08/11/23 05:03 PM |
| 9 | Study predicts that almost half of all women (25-44) will be single by 2030No system in the world can work like that. Every society needs new workers to pay the taxes, pension funds, and provide eldercare. The population has to at least remain stable. | /r/MensRights | 08/11/23 06:23 AM |
| 28 | Study predicts that almost half of all women (25-44) will be single by 2030I also find it hard to believe there are lots of men out there with multiple relationships, but it's probably our best explanation. Married men with a mistress or a guy trying to date three GFs at once and not get caught. | /r/MensRights | 07/11/23 09:00 PM |
| 37 | Study predicts that almost half of all women (25-44) will be single by 2030Reading a few articles on this and seeing how women react on feminist subreddits that seems to be the case. If a lot of men are ending up single, it's their own fault for not being worth dating. | /r/MensRights | 07/11/23 08:53 PM |
| 9 | Study predicts that almost half of all women (25-44) will be single by 2030I can't really figure it out either. I thought maybe there is some disparity regarding people who are single vs. people who are single but not looking. But, thats not what these questionnaires ask, its just "are you single". The male-female sex ratio is also about 51-49 in the USA with slightly more females. Women are not much more likely to be in same sex relationships either. | /r/MensRights | 07/11/23 08:43 PM |
| 42 | Study predicts that almost half of all women (25-44) will be single by 2030The research comes from here. They don't give a precise defintion but their idea of single seems to mean "not married, not living with a partner, no long term romantic partner". In terms of sex, it's likely most of these women can still have casual relations if they want. We've essentially divorced sex from not only marriage at this point, but also relationships. | /r/MensRights | 07/11/23 08:38 PM |
| 148 | Study predicts that almost half of all women (25-44) will be single by 2030Most of the discusion related to this prediction in different popular news articles don't seem to regard this as a bad thing for women. I'm posting it here because most of this sub's users are concerned about the decline in normal relationships. | /r/MensRights | 07/11/23 07:15 PM |
| 2 | "Sex Therapy" and why its kind of a lie.I broadly agree. You're a real sweet, patient, thoughtful person and I wish you best of luck in your endeavors at finding love (if you haven't already). | /r/MensRights | 13/09/23 11:08 PM |
| 5 | "Sex Therapy" and why its kind of a lie.This isn't an actual scientific experiment, but a woman went "undercover" as a man on Tinder to prove how easy it is for men to match up with women. She was genuinely shocked at how difficult it was to connect with anyone, and amongst the few she did she had no ability to maintain any kind of meaningful conversation. Obviously, there are some issues with this experiment like how this is just one experiment and Tinder is majority male but I still think it illustrates the case that women don't rea… | /r/MensRights | 13/09/23 08:51 PM |
| 7 | "Sex Therapy" and why its kind of a lie.I occasionally read the advice or commentary of women who are "sexologists" and sex therapists put out online in mainstream news. I have to say its usually very bad, openly hostile to romantically unsuccessful men, or both. | /r/MensRights | 13/09/23 08:11 PM |
| 1 | Isn’t calling any man you disagree with an incel hate speech? Aren’t some incels disabled, disfigured, rape survivors, and other marginalized types just like women? I don’t mean men who hate women.It's not hate speech, its just lazy. | /r/MensRights | 12/09/23 09:52 PM |
| 1 | The Hollywood writers strike is going on and all i can think is how do people with a social media like this even got hired in the first placeHer book came out in 2019 and is already forgotten. The classics will live on. | /r/MensRights | 29/07/23 10:25 PM |
| 2 | "Stats about women handling pain better mean nothing because of anecdotes from people who totally wouldn't lie for a cause."Healthcare actually favors women in most cases. Medical spending (and medical research spending) both favor women especially certain types of cancers. Women are more likely to go the doctor, be admitted, and also have better healthcare outcomes than men. This all feeds into them living longer. Even things like men being prescribed pain killers more may not be a good thing (for every women who dies of an opioid overdose about two men will). Male and female biology is different and therefore makin… | /r/AntiFeminists | 15/04/23 02:30 PM |
| 12 | The feminization of the American university is all but complete.Some background information: Women Earned the Majority of Doctoral Degrees in 2020 for the 12th Straight Year and Outnumber Men in Grad School 148 to 100. There isn't anything wrong with women getting degrees per se, but most of the real gains to society from women entering higher-ed have already been reaped. We're probably at the point of negative returns now. College degrees are now worth less, student deb has ballooned, marriages are being delayed, university budgets are bloated, and too many… | /r/MensRights | 06/03/23 08:39 PM |
| 14 | The feminization of the American university is all but complete.The current student debt debate in the USA is essentially that already. | /r/MensRights | 06/03/23 07:08 PM |
| 3 | Yong men are now lonely because…Patriarchy?I strongly agree. As a young adult I can say that my teachers, family, coworkers, and even strangers have all been very vocal about how expressing myself and sharing my feelings is a good thing. As a little kid I remember watching a child's TV program where it was explicitly stated that its okay for boys and men to cry. I get that I'm a sample size of one and there may be other contrary experiences here. If we were living in the 1940s or 50s they would have a much stronger argument. But, we've u… | /r/MensRights | 27/02/23 06:33 PM |
| 7 | Yong men are now lonely because…Patriarchy?This isn't a result of the patriarchy, its the result of our gradual feminization of society. The Western world has become much more feminized since the 1950's and especially the 70's and its not always been for the better. The feminist explanation is that any and all problems men face are either invalid, or the result of the patriarchy. So, to their way of thinking, if you really took male problems seriously, you'd actually be a feminist. Of course this makes no sense because feminism doesn't a… | /r/MensRights | 27/02/23 06:10 PM |
| 3 | Sexual loneliness: a 2023 study that reads like a black-pill promoI'm not sure exactly what you mean by "less wired to desire it as much". I don't think human evolution would happen that fast. I think people want sex as much as ever and there is at least some social stigma associated with late life virginity or being sexually unsuccessful. A lot of men feel emasculated if they can't "score" and that feeling is mostly reinforced by the broader culture (men and women) pocking fun at the romantically unsuccessful. | /r/MensRights | 21/02/23 10:26 PM |
| 2 | Sexual loneliness: a 2023 study that reads like a black-pill promoPersonally I don't care that much. Humans have natural urges for things. Food, shelter, companionship. Those things are biological. How we organize society to provide those things varies a lot. Sex is something almost everyone wants. It used to be organized around marriage. Since the 1960s our culture has become much less sexually repressed and sex has been largely disconnected from marriage. In theory young people should be having more sex. They seem to be having less which really doesn't make … | /r/MensRights | 21/02/23 10:02 PM |
| 12 | Teach your daughters not to stare. Study finds Women are more critical of female toplessness than men."Men like boobs and women are jealous of other women". You didn't need a study for this one. | /r/MensRights | 21/02/23 09:56 PM |
| 6 | Sexual loneliness: a 2023 study that reads like a black-pill promoAnecdotally and statistically there seems to have been an increase in sexlessness and relationships and thats a source of discontent for a lot of young adult men who felt that they were informally promised a sexual revolution. I don't think it's a men's rights issue (no one actually has a right to sex), but its an intersting social phenomena and most other subreddits aren't that receptive to engaging men's issues. | /r/MensRights | 21/02/23 09:42 PM |
| 16 | Sexual loneliness: a 2023 study that reads like a black-pill promoI've always been of the view that sex isn't that important so a decline in it isn't an issue of any kind for me. But, it is shocking that the impact of a sexual revolution (combined with revolutions in contraceptives and telecommunications) has resulted in young people having less sex. | /r/MensRights | 21/02/23 08:50 PM |
| 1 | The Pandemic of Lonely Men Not Women’s ProblemI read though the thread and it was even worse than I imagined. I can totally understand women being indifferent to this issue and just not caring, but I really can't understand the ones who express such extreme and open hostility towards it. | /r/MensRights | 20/02/23 08:20 AM |
| 9 | The Pandemic of Lonely Men Not Women’s ProblemThey want equal pay but a partner who earns more. | /r/MensRights | 20/02/23 02:45 AM |
| 22 | Woman at Gym Complains That Guy is "Staring" at Her, Turns out He's Legally BlindSome people's egos know no bounds. | /r/MensRights | 16/02/23 08:10 PM |
| 4 | CDC young men kill themselves 4.5x the rate of young women, young women most affectIt's not even misandry, they don't even think about men at all. | /r/MensRights | 16/02/23 03:07 AM |
| 1 | Reported crimes with female victims have higher clearance rates than crimes with male victims, and reported female criminals are less likely to be arrested.That theory requires some pretty tortured logic and ultimately it fails any real world scrutiny. There may be certain circumstances were the WAW effect can have unintended consequences and harm women but regarding the criminal justice system the WAW is to their benefit. They get shorter sentences for the same crimes, are handled more softly, and are less likely to be convicted. | /r/MensRights | 16/02/23 03:05 AM |
| 3 | Men who kill a woman don't kill her because she's a woman. They're just generally criminals.Historically it wasn't unusual to kill all or most of the adult males after a battle. However, saying the women were "spared" is a bit misleading because it wasn't unusual to enslave them or forcibly assimilate them. | /r/MensRights | 16/02/23 03:00 AM |
| 10 | Men who kill a woman don't kill her because she's a woman. They're just generally criminals.There was several feminists in the thread pushing the narrative that ALL MEN are a threat to do this because "men commit a majority of violent crime". Wait until they learn about race and crime in the USA. | /r/MensRights | 16/02/23 02:57 AM |
| 2 | Men who kill a woman don't kill her because she's a woman. They're just generally criminals.There is some variation by nation. Around the globe about 75-80% of homicide victims are male and those numbers are similar to the situation in the USA. There are some weird outliers like Japan and South Korea where slightly more women are killed than men. | /r/MensRights | 16/02/23 02:56 AM |
| 2 | Men who kill a woman don't kill her because she's a woman. They're just generally criminals.I wouldn't go so far as to blame single mothers for training their sons to be violent. The failure to socialize these boys is also because they lack a father not just the inability of the mother to raise him alone. | /r/MensRights | 16/02/23 02:53 AM |
| 1 | Feminists Think Men HATE COMPLIMENTS, Hilarious Feminist Meme Shows They DONT Get MenI would be happy if a woman complimented me. IRL pretty much no women interact with me voluntarily so in the rare instances where someone acknowledges me I feel really good. I had a waitress once who called me and my friend a bunch of cute pet names (honey, sweetie, darling) and it was really nice. I assumed she is that way with all her cliental, but still it was nice. | /r/MensRights | 30/01/23 06:37 PM |
| 73 | What do you guys think about this. (Idk if this fits, just wanted to ask what y’all think)Over the course of my entire life (I'm almost 30) I think I've heard maybe one person use the phrase "boys will be boys" without being ironic just once. I have, however, heard both men and women use the phrase "kids will be kids". Regarding young children its never meant that we excuse behavior but that after teachable moments we don't drop the hammer on an 8 year old. The truth is our culture is mixed when it comes to socially policing people's behavior. Sometimes girls and women are bitches, r… | /r/AntiFeminists | 30/01/23 06:24 PM |
| 1 | Trans Teacher Wears Huge Prosthetic BreastsMost feminists are trans affirming and okay with stuff like this. | /r/AntiFeminists | 18/01/23 02:51 AM |
| 14 | Can men have opinions on womens issues?Apparently, some men can get pregnant and experience mensuration now so there really are no more "women's issues". | /r/AntiFeminists | 13/01/23 05:23 PM |
| 10 | Borderline narcissistic women doesn’t know why she’s rejected.An egotistical femcel, how sad. She probably rejects upwards of 95% of the guys who approach her and can't see the irony. | /r/AntiFeminists | 13/01/23 05:56 AM |
| 5 | Is the Concept of Virginity toxic?Is the Concept of Virginity toxic? No, but it can be very embarrassing. | /r/AntiFeminists | 12/01/23 05:47 PM |
| 84 | Men are commonly blamed for pushing harmful stereotypes onto boys. Study shows its actually the mothers.Women want strong men. No one, moms included, really wants their son to grow up to be too soft. | /r/MensRights | 12/01/23 02:55 AM |
| 245 | What are you guys thoughts on people who call men privileged?I disagree with them, politely. My main arguments are that evidence suggests society has a moderate bias favoring women and that if you look at the bottom of society (prisoners, addicts, homeless) its overwhelmingly men. That doesn't mean I don't sympathize with women on some issues, I do. I just try to argue that both groups have certain issues that more strongly pertain to themselves and that it isn't obvious men have some decisive advantage over women even if most of the top slots of the gove… | /r/MensRights | 10/01/23 09:34 PM |
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