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DNA testing should be routine.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 02:04 AM
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Apparently he made a rude comment and said that he'd only foot the bill for the drinks if she agreed to sleep with him. Over for dutchcels.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 08:57 PM
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https://x.com/Bh2800/status/2081750253129093449 Rough times. His glasses even fell off. 😭
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 08:52 PM
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Recent streamer controversy proves it's over. Manosphere dude approached a woman. She splashed her drink on him. In response he poured his drink on her. She proceeded to ragdoll him, rip his shirt, slam him to the ground with some judo move, and kick him. Now everyone's making fun of him. "The worst she can say is no."
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 07:12 PM
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Asking a question absent threat will never be coercion.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 05:51 PM
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The reason is if they really want a relationship, but the hookup guys don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 04:33 AM
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No, the very point of the term "alpha" to reference men who women want to have sex with most. Men who have to date for sex are beta and men who can't get sex are omega.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 04:31 AM
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If there are guys you'd hookup with and guys you'd only sleep with after investment, that's AF/BB. Men that have casual sex don't get to pass their genes on. ??? Plenty of these guys have multiple kids across multiple baby mamas.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 04:29 AM
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The femcel subreddits are complaining that women actually date down far more often than men. Literally how is that possible with the singlehood and virginity rates being way lopsided against young men? Do these women even math?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 04:20 AM
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It's the curse of empathy. Guys who start off treacherous largely don't need the red pill to begin with. The types of guys who need the red pill are often also the types who would spread it around to try to help other guys, and attempt to win "arguments" with blue pillers for validation's sake.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 04:13 AM
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290 matches out of 7,000 is far above the average for men. That's a 4% rate.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 04:08 AM
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LOL, those "cheat codes" is basic bluepill stuff. The difference is that red pill guys had to study them from some influencer bro, while the rest of us just knows them from birth. Problem is most blue pillers do one thing but say another, which leads guys without the natural instincts trying to follow blue pill advice to the letter to fail at dating. The red pill is needed to correct them, since the average person isn't honest or precise about things.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 04:05 AM
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I feel like the point of the red pill is for men to deal with their traumas and emotions without having to say effeminate things like "working through trauma" or "dealing with my emotions" or using the f word (feelings). The point of the red pill is to get laid lol. The frustration is sourced from not getting laid. It's a real situation, not a product of the imagination.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 04:02 AM
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Credit to OP for bringing up a rarely discussed subject. I never bothered to think of this since red pill women are almost too rare to matter. But, yeah, technically it's true. Guys go red pill to gain leverage on women. If the woman is also red pill then the leverage is gone and you're back at square one. Nobody undergoes extensive study and drastically alters their personality just to make no progress.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 03:55 AM
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But the main complaint is that men get taken advantage of for foodie dates that don't lead to future intimacy, which this behavior doesn't solve since he's still paying full for the first date that he gets ghosted after.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 12:00 AM
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No one is worthy of access to the inside of a woman’s body. And you certainly don’t become worthy of sex from a woman because “countless bozos procreate” That's cool. Good thing I used no such term. Tbh using that as your basis is exactly where the entitlement statements come in. And they're still false. It's not entitlement until you demand or consider yourself owed something. I'm mad I'm not rich but that doesn't mean I'm attempting to steal money or in any way think I deserve to be rich. It's…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 01:36 PM
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At that point we have to seperate "things a privileged few get to do" and "things most people get to do." You would have to be an elite musical artist to be worthy of collaborating with MJ. Countless bozos procreate. Obviously people are gonna be frustrated about being uniquely left out of the group. Or being held to way higher standards than others.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 05:42 AM
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Men will be providers again when they're treated like providers. If people would stop pushing equality rhetoric even in cases where the two sexes are blatantly not equal (women typically do not have the same earning potential as men during pregnancy) then we wouldn't have nonsense like this situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 02:57 PM
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and eat way more than a woman Not necessarily, there are plenty of skinny guys and fat women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 02:54 PM
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We need UBI so that people can stop using the "you need money to survive" excuse for why government intervention is fine for employment standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 01:21 AM
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His statement is factual, therefore he is stating facts. It only becomes false when you add words.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:51 PM
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Your claim makes no sense, the specific behavior of being bitter about rejection cannot occur until after the rejection. It being the root cause of the rejection would be paradoxical.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 08:43 PM
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He's still hopeful. 🙏
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:52 PM
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Well Reddit liberals often do it. 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:45 PM
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Saw a 70+ year-old virgin (not by choice) post on another subreddit. Looking at his history he posts about ancient musical bands, so I think he's legit. Should a dude just hire an escort at that point? Time is running out and it's not like there are decent opportunities for a 70+ year-old man without experience to find their first partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:43 PM
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If liberals are so pro-science, why do they constantly assert that virgins are on average worse morally than non-virgins? There are literally no studies indicating that such is the case. If anything the data indicates the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:05 PM
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Or people are just being discriminatory against virgins. Your question is like asking if there are common stereotypes against a minority group (of any sort), maybe they should have the humility and introspection to think out whether they contribute to it. No, most likely the majority group is just punching down on those they view as inferior and lacking in the power/influence to fight back. And if they want people to believe otherwise, they need to bring proof; they can't just go "a lot of peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:00 PM
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It's not entitled to want things, no matter how you characterize it. It only crosses to entitlement for him to demand to be on stage.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 06:42 PM
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IIRC that study was only asking guys who actually get laid. The percentage would be lower if counting men who never get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 06:35 PM
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But here's the bigger question: why are you treating "I might not get laid" and "I might accidentally coerce or rape someone" as comparable outcomes? Because the former seems more likely, with how many virgins there are here.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 06:30 PM
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There is no reason to distinguish women that way since all women period are capable of finding someone to get intimate with. The limiting factor is standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 06:03 PM
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Women barely ever approach as-is, and if they were turned down more they'd approach even less.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 06:00 PM
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You're underestimating how desperate the current dating environment has left modern men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 05:57 PM
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Someone who's dismissing consent is a sexual predator. If the dude is bothering with non-threatening dialogue at all then he's not dismissing consent. And some of the men who have sex have bottom-tier morality, it's impossible not to be morally superior to some of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 05:55 PM
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This is like the dude who kinda sucks at guitar wanting to jam with the band. Sure... They'll let him up there for maybe a minute or two and give him some "Great job bro, thanks for jumping up" but if he acts entitled and wants to stay up there like he belongs there... it's not gonna go well. Well in that case he got a gift but decided it wasn't good enough. That's being greedy. The dudes because called entitled in dating contexts often got literally nothing. Wanting more than literally nothing …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 05:53 PM
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But it's you making up fake information, he didn't say more abusive men were pulling, just that abusive men have pulled while some non-abusive men have not. Don't call people names based off a stupid interpretation of what they said. Don"t just add words.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 05:47 PM
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we all have to live with being rejected. Not all in the same contexts.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 05:44 PM
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Well there you go, OP's point proven, just pointing out the factual stat that some people get no sex is being called entitled.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 05:43 PM
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No, plenty of people on Reddit claim men in general are only alone because of their bad personalities.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 05:38 PM
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She has the choice to consent or not, but should not be considering a man creepy or entitled for wanting a kiss on a date.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 05:37 PM
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Yes, because pretty sure they knew they were missing the boat in their teens and 20s and they still chose to not fix it. Some people have developmental disabilities that limit their ability and speed of growth in certain fields. It's not always a matter of choice. There are late bloomers, socializing is not easy-peasy past education. I mean, what would the world say to a 45 year old who had never played sports AT ALL who decided he wanted to become a high school college or pro athlete at 45? The…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 05:30 PM
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This gets harder past 30 as most people socialize a lot less in their 30s since many have families already. And, no, this is not fixed by spamming "cold approaches" at random women. Well then there you go, some guys did in fact get locked out lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 09:24 AM
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why don't Red Pill influencers spend more time asking why so many of their followers aren't attracted to women who are also routinely excluded from conventional dating standards Because that's a useless exercise, guys get rejected by femcels all the time, and it just makes a guy even more frustrated and annoyed if he's getting turned down by unattractive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 03:02 AM
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Thing is guys who just don't have casual sex ever are more likely to be annoyed if they find out their GF did have casual sex. If the guy gets that phase out of the way beforehand, even if it's with unattractive women, he's less likely to feel that frustration.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:57 AM
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It's not meant to be some universal thing, getting laid is simple for some guys but impossible for others.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:51 AM
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The red pill is explictly about copying the behavior of guys who get laid a lot. Is not copying them going to magically get dudes laid?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:48 AM
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So they settled with a woman they didn't think was attractive No. They are still sexually attracted to average women. They'd happily do all the same sexual things with her. Women are accused of settling because they often don't want to do all the same sexual stuff with every guy they get with. Men aren't typically like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 11:50 PM
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"Or men prefer the most attractive women." - so much so that they ignored other 60% they deemed attractive? Then what's value of that "attraction"? The value is that they'd still get with the average women if pursuing the hot women wasn't an option.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:40 AM
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I like how all of you forget the next part of it. Where men interacted with top 20% of women and women spend their time chatting with 80% of men. Because it's irrelevant to the thread, we're strictly talking about looks ratings. So seems like men lied. Or men prefer the most attractive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 10:28 AM
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Good points, but to be fair the people stuffing big macs and chain smoking don't then turn around and say they hate it. 😅
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 02:14 AM
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When people make comments like OP's they mean it in specific contexts, such as: Dating standards arbitrarily fluctuate, and aren't easy to document on paper. Dating does not necessarily pair people based on equivalent overall mate worth. Dating does not necessarily pair people based on their quality as long-term mates in a relationship. Obviously on a more base level selection is meritocratic, but it tends to be beyond human ability to precisely scale.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 01:08 AM
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I also often hear men argue that they have “lower standards” (which I’m skeptical about lol) There is zero cause to be skeptical of it if you look at literally any set of dating stats. But who decided those numbers were objective? Unless someone is on either end of the spectrum, attractiveness is highly subjective. So on what basis are people so confident that their self-rating or their rating of others is correct? Dating app study showed that men's looks ratings deemed most women average, while…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 01:03 AM
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It says something, but nothing related to how good of a person someone is. The criminal is still a worse person. Learn nuance and how to seperate judgments of character from judgments of skill.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 12:40 AM
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There are common criminals partying every night. There are serial killers getting letters in jail. You have zero basis to accuse someone of being worse than people like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 12:25 AM
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Shitty people can find other shitty people to befriend, but a good person cant? Well if we've determined that shitty people can befriend shitty people, it then makes no sense to assume that people who can't befriend others are shitty. It's something else.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 11:25 PM
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Another nonsensical thread from someone born into the privilege of being a woman and thus considered harmless and potentially attractive. People don't want to be bothered with random lame individuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 11:20 PM
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Because many men don't care about men's rights. They care about personal rights. Men they're not associated with can fuck off. Men are not women, there is no inherent brotherhood by gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 11:04 PM
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So then why do so many women keep doing it? Nobody really wants to hear any of this when there are obviously women out there having casual sex. If they weren't then cool, valid points.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 11:01 PM
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There exist men who are perhaps a little shy or mildly awkward. And they are going to find relationships one way or the other That's definitely not universal.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 04:35 AM
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Maybe it's a selection issue? There might be differences between the types of guys who get picked for these opportunities and the types of guys who are endlessly skipped.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 04:34 AM
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Because that's irrelevant to his claim. Nowhere did he suggest the thing would happen. He just said if it did most dudes would improve. Many women/attractive men learned how to date after they were actually given chances to date. The opportunities just often don't arrive for average and below men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 04:29 AM
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If you're referring to dating apps then obviously those get more difficult, since your age is plastered right on the profile.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 08:44 PM
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I went from getting the occasional hookups Well that's the thing, if you were already getting hookups before then yeah it gets harder as you age. The people who are told it gets easier for them are dudes who were getting nothing early on.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 08:41 PM
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Problem is blocking gets wildly abused.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 08:37 PM
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She doesn't have to do anything, I'm just stating how some dudes will respond. Not "with anyone". I'm just referring to dudes she wants to seriously date.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:39 PM
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I'm saying what the guy wants never changed, he just hasn't gotten it yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 06:43 PM
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Nonsensical. Men can want casual sex in general and simply never have an opportunity for it due to how the dating environment works.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 06:10 PM
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So. If a man has a ho phase in his past or idk, made regretful decisions i should treat him like that version of himself. Probably. Those men can rarely be trusted to begin with. What if he was 18 years old and cheated on his partner but grew and learned from that experience. I guess I should treat him like he is always a bad guy/cheater. I'm certainly not trusting a prior cheater. Or if a man got broken up with and slept with a bunch of women really fast but regretted it. Should I treat him lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 05:10 PM
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Change is fine. But it's probably best to date other people who changed. Not everyone's compatible with everyone. If I'm a dude who never had casual sex I'm gonna be suspicious of why all these women are willing to date me but not have casual sex, even though they did before with other dudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 04:40 PM
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As OP said the concern no longer applies if either 1. the woman never had casual sex or 2. the woman's relationship with the man started via casual sex. Basically men just want consistent women. Inconsistency is the untrustworthy thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 03:56 PM
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Lindsey Graham being mocked posthumously by the transwomen he paid to top him shows that you should never beta bux. There'll be no gratitude or respect on the other end.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 02:06 AM
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We don't want to get shot in video games either. The point is shooting other people in video games. So there's no contradiction.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 07:47 PM
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I'm sure they're displeased about it in general, since every group of men is protective of their women lol. But there's a difference between being a bitter non-virgin and being a total incel like some dudes in the West.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 04:32 PM
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Reduces the morality, if she doesn't want to earn money thenbshe shouldn't give a fuck if the dude earned it either, that's hypocritical.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 06:42 AM
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Of course you doubt, that's another argument against being a decent person, people doubt you even are. Waste of effort for people who deserve nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 01:06 AM
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What are the average men in other cultures supposed to do? Other cultures don't have the same post-feminist dating issues the West does, and tend to have lower male populations than female ones, so they can absorb the impact better. There is no known lonelineness epidemic in the 3rd world.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 01:03 AM
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Not comparable, every woman can get D. There's a sizable portion of men excluded from P even despite being decent people. The question isn't "why be good if bad people are treated the same" it's "why be good if bad people are treated better".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 12:57 AM
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Platner is not some rare exception on the level of a dwarf being a celebrity.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 12:53 AM
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But building society and narratives around such a concept seems brutally anti-equality. And if we're gonna be unequal anyway, I liked the previous set of inequalities better lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 07:05 PM
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Well yeah, Mills lost the primary, which is a blow to the candidate's public perception. Which is why I said "whoever replaces" Platner since I don't think they can just slot Mills in after the disgrace of losing the primary and expect everything to be fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 07:02 PM
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Crypto bros are the last people to check in with for expertise. If Mills had been the nominee from the start then she'd have had a better shot than Platner, but whoever replaces him now is gonna be stuck covering for the fact that their party previously nominated a total ghoul. Stuff like that is radioactive to centrist swing voters.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:50 PM
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Democrats screwed up the Maine Senate election by nominating a sexual predator with a Nazi tattoo, who's now had to drop out (basically clearing the way for Republicans). They can't see red flags for shit. Kinda like another group, that coincidentally makes up the majority of their primary voters.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:02 PM
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"Women sleep around" you would do the same if you had unlimited options, don't lie to yourself. Most women have unlimited options yet some do not sleep around, so there's no proof of your claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:25 PM
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Maybe but there's never a scenario where women would be forced to choose like that. As far as willful choice goes the serial killer usually has more women available. Even in the worst case scenario where it's known that he's a killer, he probably still pulls more than a weak shy guy. It only being a small fraction of women is besides the point. weak shy guys do usually find someone eventually Don't think so.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 08:13 AM
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There was a post the other day of a dude whining that women ignore and avoid men. That is the best harm prevention method and I don’t know why men complain about it. Because women are usually ignoring the least statistically dangerous men. Weak, passive ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 05:33 AM
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Men have higher baseline sex drives, women can have higher sex drives in specific intimate contexts.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 05:28 AM
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I didn't say the feminism didn't exist, just that there was less. There wasn't creepshaming or MeToo.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 03:22 AM
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No, there was just less dating apps and feminism in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 03:17 AM
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Statistically sociopaths, bullies, and ex-convicts are also more likely to have n.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 02:56 AM
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It is but there are plenty of low/no n men for women who care about being the best. Due to gender differences that's not often a concern women have though.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 02:43 AM
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Not always, I fully respect the LGBTQ+ community and "transwomen are women" mentality and I still don't want high-n partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 02:41 AM
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Women vary just as much in relationship preferences No they don't, otherwise there wouldn't be a larger class of male undatables than female undatables, instead the groups would be roughly the same size.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 02:34 AM
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Feminism paints men as an oppressor class even though a large portion of men have zero influence or edge over women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 02:30 AM
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Everyone who makes a debate thread is asserting their stance as true.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 02:29 AM
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I find it crazy that men here think there is no difference in the experiences of beautiful women vs. ugly women, or high value women vs. low value women. There are, they just aren't as different as the experiences between elite men and peasant men. Even the ‘cels here say that undesirable women “deserve” to be abused or otherwise treated badly because they are not high value lol. Cels say those women deserved it due to picking the guys who practice that behavior over the cel in question (who's c…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 02:25 AM
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Yes. So are men happy being considered attractive but no one wants to be around him? That's already the case for a lot of men, but on top of that they're also not attractive. Would guys be fine hearing “He’s so hot….but he’s a broke ass bum and I can get someone just as hot but with money”? People don't usually take delusional statements to heart.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 12:57 AM
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Do you not see the irony in claiming that women are loved unconditionally and yet men are supposedly rejecting women for being the same age as them and not dating them at a time they hadn't yet met? Would they have still dated him if they had met earlier? 🤔 People are basically assuming the answer is no, since if no other woman that age dated him it's a tough sell that the current woman is a magic exception.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 11:47 PM
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For example, I've seen a lot of dudes on this sub make the argument that women who are socialists--who believe in some degree of wealth redistribution--are hypocrites for only wanting to do sex acts with hot guys. I agree on how that would be silly, much like how criticizing a wealthy individual for being a socialist would be silly. Arguments for societal structure have nothing to do with one's personal life. But that's often not the angle people are coming from when pointing out hypocrisy regar…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 11:05 PM
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Seems like ad hominem. At the end of the day the accuracy of a statement doesn't change based on where it came from. And nobody really cares if you personally take it seriously or not. You're one person.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 10:58 PM
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I just explained why low like counts can amount to zero activity.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:38 PM
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Sure, if there's a woman out there with low like counts it applies to her too.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:35 PM
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If the individual is saying their own dating life isn't going well your opinion about it as a 3rd party is entirely irrelevant. All I'm doing is explaining why their claims would still potentially stand regardless of raw like count.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:52 PM
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That's not exactly what women do, women deem a lot more men undatable than just the ugliest/fattest men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:17 PM
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Some low amount of women swiping on you means nothing because some are bots, some did it by accident, some change their mind, some have so many matches that they just forget about you, some don't respond to your message, some don't vibe with your personality in the chat, some do vibe with you but end up picking some other guy, some ghost out of the date, and if you do actually manage to get a date some don't feel a spark. You need an actual decent amount of likes for there to be any real reliabl…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 05:15 PM
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“Women as a group” means almost all women if not every single one of them. That's not how OP intended it and that's all that matters. When a dude means to talk about women in a universal sense he'll say "all women" or "every woman". Just "women" is referring to them as a group. Dudes talk about nationality, religion, etc. in similar ways. Sorry, buddy, but no matter how hard you want to wallow in your victim complex, but the actual majority of women are actually not rape victims, or dating seria…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:24 AM
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It's a self-inflicted political one. Why do you people keep lying about this? There are plenty of liberal feminist men who don't get laid. If it's all about politics, why are you guys leaving your allies virginal?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 07:51 PM
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You can do whatever, just saying being a fuck-up and being unlucky are two different things. It's one thing for a struggling family business to go bankrupt, another thing for a Trump business to go bankrupt, the latter is far more embarrassing and prone to mockery.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 07:13 PM
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Asking someone out is not shy behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 07:06 PM
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You can't seriously be comparing a man who doesn't want to live undesired or die a virgin to a man who kills people.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 07:04 PM
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But that's the thing, if you were desirable at one point but still ended up alone then you screwed up. The man just got screwed by nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 07:03 PM
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Your sex appeal is inherent to you, at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 07:01 PM
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Even if they understand it's not going to change their behavior. They're still going to approach. Are they supposed to just give up? An example I always like to bring up is Melania and Donald Trump. If you carefully observe her body language, she frequently looks disgusted by him and avoids his touch like the plague. Trump is a gross person in general beyond his poor looks. Melania's disdain could be for any number of reasons. Is it really worth it? Isn't it better to live in a dignified solitud…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 06:59 PM
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red pillers blame everything, women, lies, society, bad advices Because those are literally the people telling men not to follow red pill self-optimization. especially since historically it was so. If historically it was the case then that means something about society changed, and the individual wasn't the cause.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 06:51 PM
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He'd didn't say all individual women. He said women as an overall group. If violent rapist man gets 10 women out of 1,000 while weak shy man gets 0 women out of 1,000, then the group overall prefers the violent rapist man over the shy weak man, even if most of the group doesn't want him either.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 06:33 PM
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It makes perfect sense, many men take pride and validation in how many women want them. You are a woman, so you don't just want a bunch of undesirable men attracted to you. It's different for men regarding women though.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 06:30 PM
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Attractive people are the exception to all these rules, so it kinda matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 06:27 PM
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Dunno how people can say passport bro'ing is bad when it's the only way for some guys to get dating app matches.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 06:21 PM
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Not being good looking doesn't automatically make you good at anything else though, and failing in real life causes more problems than failing online.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 06:16 PM
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What do you think happens when you meet new people in life? Awkwardness and frustration.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 06:14 PM
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Ask yourself a simple question. If you had to explain your worldview honestly to the average woman—not the imaginary woman you invent for internet arguments, but the average woman in your own life—would she think it was respectful? I don't give a shit. Every woman I know in real life has been abused by a partner. Me having an opinion can't possibly be more disrespectful than what the dudes they've actually been with have done. I've told my mom about my opinions... The older she gets the more she…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 06:11 PM
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Once in a while random strange girls do that awkward creepy-glancing where they look at you and then look away, then they look at you some more and then glance away, and then somehow end up behind you ask start trying to talk to you. Never saw that in my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 06:07 PM
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There was no claim of mutual exclusivity. But if all types of men do bad things, yet you disproportionately generalize and ostracize only the shy weak ones, that proves OP's point.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:58 PM
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If someone can and does functionally approach, they aren't shy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:56 PM
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Those guys are probably relatively attractive, or you're just a highly rare type of woman, possibly both.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:55 PM
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all men are some degree of aggressive. False.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:52 PM
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You could list "weak, unmasculine and shy" men who have girlfriends and wives You probably can't.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:52 PM
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I don't personally know in real life any women who haven't been abused by a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:49 PM
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You probably can't without us swiftly debunking the claim that those men are shy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:47 PM
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Where are the weak shy women who can't get laid, though?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:44 PM
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When I was super shy, I couldn’t even get a date. You could've on a dating app, at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:42 PM
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Women with those exact issues still get to date, though. Also, there are guys with female friends who still don't get laid. They don't banter or flirt because that's a social more they don't approve of. A lot of modern feminists don't approve of it either. And some guys just aren't talented in that field.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:38 PM
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It'll stop being asserted once it stops being denied. Too many people still claim the only reason a guy would be completely left out of dating is if he's a toxic misogynist.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:36 PM
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How many violent misogynists do you know personally who have girlfriends, OP? While I'm not the OP most of my male relatives have physically abused their girlfriends/wives. Your other points don't apply since I'm not willfully linked to these people. Or are we only comparing weak and shy guys to literal serial killers in order to make your point? We can compare weak shy men to literally any other group of men and the point will stand. It's teflon.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:32 PM
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And many men would rather be with abusive attractive woman than a nice unattractive woman if given a choice.... Yet I don't know any unattractive female virgins, unless it's by choice, so they're still not comparable to weak shy men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:28 PM
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And OP is simply pointing out that it's disproportionately unfair to weak shy men. Most of the worst people in the world still get more options than weak shy men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:22 PM
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Well, considering OP wants to date the worst women alive, I don’t see why he thinks he has the moral high ground. You're making assumptions not required by the premise. Even if a guy would reject bad women, he may still prefer to have them as options to reject. Because then at least he's not entirely unwanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:19 PM
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I think these men fail to understand that for every woman who said yes to a bad confident man a dozen of women said no before her. No, we understand that fine. It's just that their success rate isn't 0%. Plenty of other dudes are at 0%. But these guys are confident, they approach relentlessly and a 1000 no don’t stop them from approaching which means eventually they’ll find one who’ll say yes. Yes, which proves that inconsiderate aggressive men have the advantage. Like OP said.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:17 PM
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Dahmer wasn't a virgin, though, so ultimately he doesn't debunk anything the OP said. (also, he literally wasn't into women. Openly gay).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:14 PM
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That has nothing to do with anything, OP didn't say all crimimals were desired, just that apparently being a violent criminal is not disqualifying. The guys you listed struggled with women for other reasons. Also Dahmer was gay.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:12 PM
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Weak shy men often don't get any women, mentally ill or not, so OP's point stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:06 PM
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The only issue is that shy guys often times need to work on their mental barriers and be able to communicate their interest in a clear, respectful manner. If he's approaching then he no longer qualifies as shy in this context. OP is probably referring to actual passive men who do not assert themselves and take secondary receptive roles in social interactions.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:04 PM
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Perhaps true, but that's a much different claim from the just world fallacy the other guy pointed out.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 04:59 PM
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Women are selective and have standards regarding which men get to have sex. What's being criticized is how often male crimimals occupy that privileged group. There is no gender flip of that, since literally every woman can find someone willing to get intimate. So there's no point complaining about female criminals getting laid; every other woman can also get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 04:58 PM
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You literally have a flair mocking a group of people for not getting laid, and associating not getting laid with beliefs you feel negatively about. That only helps his point that it's better to get laid than not.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 04:55 PM
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No, that's irrelevant to the OP's point. Men bang female criminals... But also bang weak shy women too. So there's no reliable claim that they prefer female criminals... Female criminals are just part of the large group of women who men are willing to bang. OP is explictly stating that women are more willing to bang vile criminal men than they are weak shy men (who are often virginal). There is no way to credibly gender-flip that claim; no specific group of women is largely bereft of willing sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 04:51 PM
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Absolutely wild to see Democrats join Republicans as pedo protectors now that Tim Walz pardoned a child rapist in order to save him from deportation. Same thing, both sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 12:09 AM
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Thing is when a lot of women "agree" they also act like it's either a good thing or just nature working well. Anyone with common decency would view it either through a lens of neutrality or as a bad thing. That is generally the cause of contention, not simply agreeing on the situation itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:03 PM
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Both men and women prefer younger that is a proven fact. That should be the case but studies often show that women on average mostly prefer men around their age, not too young or too old... Though realistically women are probably responding to studies based on their relationship preferences; I'm sure they're still more likely to hookup with younger men (I just can't prove it).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 10:19 PM
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Nah fuck that, we're not gonna have one set of rules for men and another set for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:55 AM
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It is putting blame for something women can't control. Same men like to scream about "women shouldn't care about height because it's not something we can control". Well attraction isn't either. That would be a fair point but women criticize men all the time over stuff they can't change like preferring younger women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:45 AM
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This is probably making fun of feminist opposition to retaliation against false accusers lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 10:25 AM
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One common refrain in arguments involving gender relations is the idea that "men act, women are" - that men have to prove themselves to be recognized by the world as valuable while women's value in inherent. But is this true? No. You've in no way disproved that. Assume there is a man with no skill and a woman with no skill. Who will get treated better? According to your own argument, women's skills are already taken for granted, so the treatment of a woman who just has no skills probably isn't m…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:40 AM
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Yea when you are out here paying OF for a woman who would not spit on you if your were on fire while hemming and hawing over splitting a check with a woman who agreed to go on a date with you don’t be surprised if you don’t have dating success. A study found that 90% of OF users are married men. They're completely irrelevant to single men in the dating pool.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 08:03 AM
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Yes, we’re the ones who often make the first move, which leaves more room for us to get rejected by women. But when a bunch of guys come whining about how their dating prospects are harder because of this, take it with a grain of salt I'm not gonna take a blatant fact with a grain of salt. A woman can have zero ability to make first moves and still date. A man with zero ability to make first moves is often doomed. we all have women who are interested in us False. This is true even for low-calibe…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:57 AM
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Understand word definitions. Your statement doesn't contradict mine. I didn't say "a majority" I said "a lot". Millions of men do not have sex. That is objectively "a lot", even though it's still a small minority of the population.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:50 AM
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People blessed with the ability to use apps just don't get how terrible it is for those who can't.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:23 AM
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Once you are on the actual dates though, it ends up being basically the same skillset. Not really, talking to people you already know on some level is easier than talking to randoms.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:22 AM
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30 is better than 0 lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:17 AM
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I guess. Is taking on the reproductive burden, orgasm gap, motherhood penalty You do know just not having sex is a possibility, right? A lot of men never have sex. The fact that women choose to intimately engage with men regardless of the above disadvantages implies that they're still preferable to just staying virgins. beauty standards Men face harsher consequences there, some being locked out of dating entirely. physical weakness A lot of men are physically weak regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:13 AM
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Also being male is better for those with high competence, and being female is better for those with low competence.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:11 AM
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Yours are probably still better than your male equivalent's.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 07:03 AM
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Great answer. People really overlook how bad it is for low/bottom-tier men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 06:50 AM
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Liberals reveal their dumbassery whenever they make the joke about conservatives underdoing "gender affirming care" just for wearing shoes with heels/lifts. Historically men were wearing heels before women. Women unoriginally copied. Look it up and shut up.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 11:41 AM
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Is it really a problem that “average and below” men aren’t getting loads of casual sex? It's fine if their dating options also don't do it, but if they do the guy is gonna wonder why all these women who want to date him inexplicably don't want casual sex with him, despite being fine having it with other guys. It’s not like most women are even looking for it, and it seems entirely logical that if you’re gonna have a one night stand, you would want it to be with someone you find attractive? Sure, …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 06:16 AM
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RP has been against traditional gender roles I don't recall TRP the theory opposing or endorsing gender roles. It just states what they are and how (unevenly) they're enforced/incentivized, and leaves you to respond in whichever way to the information. and people in this sphere have defended their position that such traditional gender roles hurts men and women. That's an individual thing, not inherent to the theory itself. Average and low status men are treated way better in progressive and libe…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 05:37 AM
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Yet nobody tells women not to date when they're struggling. Curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:47 AM
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A lot of women say they both refuse to approach and refuse to pay 50/50 on dates. But then complain about men not fairly splitting the housework. If you didn't do equality earlier don't expect it later. Dynamic's been set already.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 05:47 PM
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Well it's kinda dumb for someone to literally make more money but still refuse a fair equal 50/50 split, instead making the struggling individual pay full.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 05:45 PM
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Why the fuck would my single ass do anyone but my own's cleaning and cooking?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 05:41 PM
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Because effort was actually rewarded in the past. One could reliably earn a living, buy a house, and get married if they worked hard and survived. Now there's no reliable promise of any of that no matter how long one lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 05:38 PM
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I’m so tired of this victim mentality about “men” from little boys who never would gave been considered real men in any age. Except you don't know jack shit about any of that. Different eras incentivize different behavior. Masculinity was embraced in the past, not scrutinized like now, so more men engaged in it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 05:36 PM
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Second, do not pretend that most of y’all would be doing the EXACT same things your forefathers did if it was still socially acceptable. It was literally men who set restrictions on that stuff, so no.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 05:30 PM
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Probably personality-wise, since that makes it more likely they stay with you. If you were a bunch of men's physical type instead they would just sleep with you and move on, which women tend not to like.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 10:23 AM
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Not common. Men have no pressingly strong need to marry unless they're in some professional field that heavily prefers men with families. If they didn't like the woman very much they'd just string her along in a relationship instead of actually marrying her.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 09:40 AM
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The main issue with AI posts is that people get meltys and refuse to respond seriously, making the thread a waste. Otherwise the posts would be fine. But people will ad hominem anything to get out of meaningful engagement of a claim they don't like.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 09:24 AM
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Desirable men mistreating undesirable women is causing issues. It's giving undesirable women a platform to pretend they have it as bad as undesirable men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 12:44 AM
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So then go date hot guys too. 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 11:44 PM
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How is someone 47 without taking financial responsibility?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 12:42 PM
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Nobody's gonna give up on it when every woman they meet has done it before.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 12:41 PM
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It worked before it was changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 12:39 PM
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We know. Just saying, tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 11:15 AM
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Different men. Man 1 is correct. Conservative men are often bad. Many voted Trump. Man 2 is the bad guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 11:13 AM
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He's a decent looking average weight guy dating an obese woman. So who are the obese guys supposed to date? The point is simply that a guy shouldn't be telling other dudes to "not be doomers" when the very situation he's bringing up itself contributes to the dooming.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 11:07 AM
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Short guys are the least hypergamous men height-wise since they're the least likely to want tall women. You can't cheat and compare different categories, hypergamy judges each individual trait in a vacuum.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 11:03 AM
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Calling men privileged is barking up the wrong tree when, all else equal, people are more willing to help an individual struggling woman with something than an individual struggling man. Male privilege is typically reserved for the subset of competent and/or desirable men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 10:56 AM
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No, I stated why they're more reasonable, I already fit most of the personality standards I expect of women while most women cannot remotely say they fit most of the personality standards they expect of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 07:49 AM
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The traits men want are a lot more reasonably achieved than the traits women want. I already embody most of traits I'd want in a partner myself. Same probably isn't true for most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 01:52 AM
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Paying full for first dates bankrupts dudes, so many women just ghost afterwards.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 01:50 AM
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Being single is garbage for average and below men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 01:45 AM
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It's not intended to do anything to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:23 AM
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In dating contexts yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 11:47 PM
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Those 1% dominant women are mentally ill Sure but avoiding mental illness in a 30 year-old man's dating pool is challenge impossible anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 11:46 PM
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Women don't approach yet are still counted as dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 11:44 PM
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If you can call dudes losers for being sexless it's fair for them to call out sluts. It's not some disastrous thing, just a mismatch, not everyone's compatible with everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 11:42 PM
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But isn't that what you're doing? My flair is literally red pill, TRP almost promotes hypermasculinity lol. You think women should conform to traditional gender stereotypes more but you don't necessarily yourself? In a scenario where a man fails to meet traditional behavior standards I don't think it's reasonable for him to demand behaviorally traditional women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 05:02 AM
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Gender behavior is living up to traditional gender stereotypes. It's fine to not do it... But not doing it yet expecting your partners to regardless is kinda annoying.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 04:10 AM
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Problem is US women don't have less gender standards, just less gender behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 11:53 PM
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I thought amurica was numba von country. Only in military spending. If two super powers can't defeat a non-nuclear country, idk what to say. America could win with boots on the ground, but politicians don't want to send them because the political consequences would be disastrous.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 10:10 PM
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French leader Emmanuel Macron not letting Trump remove Iran sanctions until there's a "satisfactory agreement" on ending Iran's nuclear program. But Iran has been complying with "no nuclear weapons" agreements for decades. They use nuclear energy for other stuff. They're sure as hell not giving that up now. The general gist is that Trump was stupid for attacking Iran to begin with. Yet this bitch Macron both refuses to help open the Strait of Hormuz by force AND to make a deal that would get the…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 08:48 PM
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Big uproar in the LGBTQ+ community over a recent study finding that transwomen attracted to men make less money than transwomen attracted to women, since transwomen attracted to men are more heavily disposed towards transfemininity. This may provide useful data about the wage gap differences between men and women as well. Maybe it ain't all discrimination. Maybe there's fundamental gender differences reinforcing the gap.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 01:59 PM
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you also don't know much about what harm men can and do cause to women Yes I do, hence why I'm able to warn about it. not to mention men who are simply not pleasant to spend time with Shifting the goalposts. Who you find "pleasant" is a personal preference, it doesn't relate to any actual danger level. you literally have "red pill" if your flair, you ARE the red flag And if women properly avoided red flags then no men would be red pill, because there would be no bad men getting laid for red pill…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 10:51 AM
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But you’ll have dudes on this sub insisting that autistic women are loved and cherished by society and it’s the men who are hated for their autism. That isn't really the claim. The claim is that autistic women largely still get to date while autistic men largely do not get to date. Obviously autistic women go through other bad stuff, but at least it's not a lock-out.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 10:20 AM
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We actively point out red flags to women just to be dismissed and women to go on to have more failed relationships with obvious degenerate men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 10:05 AM
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Then he will need to learn red flags. We know red flags already. Everything else is accurate but we know exactly how men operate.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 09:47 AM
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He'd do better at avoiding terrible men since he knows the full extent of how men think. He lacks the necessary skills to actually be a preferable woman though.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 09:44 AM
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Still not hypergamy since there's no comparison to himself. Only woman to woman. As for monkey branching, it depends. If he only wants sex then that's just cheating/spinning plates, not monkey branching. It's monkey branching if he wants change who he's in a relationship with.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 06:39 AM
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You're confusing yourself. Obviously things that happen frequently to one gender can happen to the other gender in rare edge cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 04:12 PM
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Happens to women often enough apparently. 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 04:07 PM
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I support Manhattan-sized AI datacenters. Bring on the end. 😈
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 04:04 PM
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It could be settling but he could be genuinely attracted instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 03:43 PM
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He could also be so attractive that women on his level are rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 03:42 PM
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People who claim men are hypergamous about looks don't get the term. Men want the hottest women they can get. The hottest woman they can get does not have to be hotter than him, though. She can even be uglier than him. Therefore, it's not hypergamous.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 05:25 AM
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It's midterm year, Republicans usually don't cut domestic programs this close to elections out of fear of losing seats. And after the midterms they won't have the votes to do so, since Dems will sweep.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 01:46 PM
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He's never getting removed, there is no way to get 67 Democrats into the Senate in modern America, the solutions rest in the legislative realm. The US needs to either tax the rich (lol) or cut something to make up for this. They just cut food stamps and medicaid so those can't be cut again so soon, Social Security can't afford a cut, and they will never cut defense spending, so the only realistic thing to cut is foreign aid.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 01:03 PM
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We weren’t willing because we didn’t see the point. Stable oil markets? It's a global economy. It also seems a bit confusing. First you’re accusing us of wasting money and not focusing on our own defence. Then we start to invest and focus on our own defence and that’s not good either. Anything's good as long as it's with your own money.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 12:56 PM
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It's because he started a war and is too bitchmade to finish it. I'd have preferred no war at all but finishing the war is preferable to paying $300 billion. We don't have the dough for this shit, Social Security won't even be able to pay full by 2032. Something needs to be done to compensate for this massive loss.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 12:51 PM
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If we really have to pay Iran $300 billion, all other foreign aid should be canceled. The only reason America even had to make a deal is because none of our bum ass allies were willing to help blow open the Strait of Hormuz the hard way. We do not have the money to help both Iran and useless allies.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 12:44 PM
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Less than you're probably thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 12:56 PM
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Even nice dogs finish last now.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 12:35 AM
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Liberals want you to care about other peooles' problems while pretending yours don't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 12:33 AM
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The femcels are complaining that Reddit men DM them but ghost after seeing their pics. Should've picked better, women don't even show me their photos but I'm sure I'd be polite about it. 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 09:24 PM
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or that poor failure Tres Genco who wanted to kill women but failed. Well somehow he's a free man so probably best not to egg him on.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 09:12 PM
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These false narrative this subreddit tries to push hard, very few men are single because they literally have no options. Well a lot of Reddit men are. 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 09:01 PM
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I've been cheated on and lied to by the ugly girl and it was always for the same reason. She wanted to be useful to more men sexually for the validation. Naturally. The studies done on the matter show that ugly and fat women are actually more promiscuous on average than better looking women. It's like how poor women are more likely to be prostitutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 08:56 PM
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If natural selection is so attuned to these reproductive risks and limitations, why evolve attraction to both sexes at all? Strong same-sex attraction isn't particularly common, so that's just random genetic variance. not wire attraction primarily or exclusively toward the lower-risk option (women in this case) If women were nigh exclusively attracted to other women then mininal births would occur and the trait would not be passed down. It's an evolutionary dead-end. or evolve mechanisms that fu…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 08:49 PM
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You do realize contraceptives exist, right Evolved subconscious instincts don't consider contraceptives. Those are a modern invention.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 08:23 PM
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Hardly anybody gets what they want. Some people get significantly more of it. This is like saying "hardly everyone can buy everything they want" but considering Musk wanting another yacht on the same level as the third man not wanting to have to sleep in his 2 bedroom apartment's closet.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 08:21 PM
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Or society could grow a brain and actually try to minimize the amount of random innocent people getting killed? Law enforcement are facing staffing issues and public resentment is growing. Negative trends should be managed.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 07:23 PM
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Because there are plenty of avenues for women to be embraced if they ever get that desperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 07:04 PM
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Basically men are allowed to say “yeah men are cray and violent and sexually impulsive and will spiral into societal fuckshit without access to a female” but women aren’t allowed to say this aloud, perceive it, write it, echo the sentiment, acknowledge her experience with it. Because they overstep and falsely apply the accusations to men the claims not accurate to. We're referring to subsets of men we're not personally a part of.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 06:59 PM
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1. Men object to messages like "Choose the Bear" because they feel unfairly portrayed as threats. LITERALLY THE SAME MEN then argue that society should care about male loneliness because lonely men may become unstable, angry, violent, radicalized, etc. There'a a group of threatening men and a group of non-threatening men. Don't see how that's such a challenging concept. 3. That argument implicitly accepts the premise that men are a danger when their sexual or romantic needs aren't met. Some are.…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 06:41 PM
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Why are men upset with “YES ALL MEN” and “l Choose The Bear” Because their generalizations are dumb. "Some men will do X bad thing" (what we say) is not "all men will do X bad thing" (what they say). If you don’t like being seen as entitled and dangerous, maybe don’t promote your group as being dangerous when they’re not having sex as some biological fact? But it is a literally a biological fact that many men are dangerous. Us here just aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 06:35 PM
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All kinds of men date too. I don't see any unconfident, unambitious, socially awkward, passive, quiet straight men dating unless they're highly physically attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 03:17 PM
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YOU benefit greatly from the system in place that favors you. False. Do not make assumptions. They don't apply to everyone. Men are hierarchal. The benefits of "male privilege" are largely denied to the lower value males. You may not think so but you do. I know more about my broke once-homeless maidenless life than a random person would. All being a man has gotten me is fights and injuries. Now, yall just whine and complain that your dick doesn’t get wet and THATS your biggest problem. We have t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:46 PM
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I didn't create any problems so it's not my responsibility. A lot of powerless men have no influence over the current situation. For any given low value male it's plausible that even you have more social power than them on an individual level. The "patriarchs" so to speak, alongside violent/aggressive men, are the source of women's problems. The rest are obviously going to be resentful if they're held accountable for things they didn't do and don't benefit from.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:17 PM
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Men present a pregnancy risk, other women do not. So unfortunately straight men face the highest standards requirements of all groups. It's biological.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:05 PM
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It's annoying since the femcels are absolute frauds who reject men who DM them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:03 PM
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Women just plain overrate how different they are in this context. Women's range of attraction in dating simply seems way thinner than men's.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:49 PM
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Caring about the other person is part of being ‘socially attractive’. No, it is not. There are many caring men who are attractive to nobody. It's not a trait that adds to arousal. Platonic traits and intimate traits are two different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:42 PM
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Being socially or physically attractive is what gets you into relationships. Without those elements caring about people does literally nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:22 PM
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All he did was list an example to prove that "men always vote in their self-interests" was a false claim. Don't dodge the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:14 PM
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That is illegal in some areas.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:11 PM
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How many men do you honestly know looks like the hunchback of Notre Dame? How many people do you honestly know that look like Quasimoto? They don't really have to look that bad. They just have to not look good enough to reliably find partners through simple socialization, virtue, and kindness.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:07 PM
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Women should either care about male-oriented problems/problems related to feminism or stop calling on men to care about female-oriented problems/problems related to patriarchy. My guess is that as long as this remains an adversarial matter, without reciprocity, society will be caught in a cycle of progress and regression.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:01 PM
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Kinda funny how different the answers would be if gender-flipped.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 04:38 AM
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I don't admire anyone. Would the question be offputting to you Yes. I don't see how discussing how much of a follower one is could be interesting. If you dont like this question, what questions do you like receiving? Of a personal nature, none.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 04:34 AM
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They tell you what not to do, but not anything to do instead that still reliably works.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:12 AM
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I don't care about socialism because I don't think the current social situation is salvageable anyway. Yes it will massively destabilize the dating market, but the damage is already done IMO, there are too many low value males as-is, bring on the universal basic income and free distractions.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 09:22 AM
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Better than nothing. Also not remotely contentious, I have not seen anyone in such a predicament claim AI made them more frustrated.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 03:02 AM
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Stimulation, a sense of communication/companionship.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 02:57 AM
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AI is one of the few solutions for low value men and of course liberals are trying to block it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 02:41 AM
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The amount of idiots who can't debate without personal assumptions/attacks is exhausting.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 10:05 PM
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They would've charged him with manslaughter instead of murder, like people of many other demographics would've been.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 04:04 AM
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Btw why didn't you post the Michael Drejka case where a white man was shoved to the ground by a black man and following that shot the black man while on the ground. He was convicted of manslaughter. Yes, manslaughter, not murder. Do you honestly think any high school kid who gets in a fight can pull out a knife and stab the other kid who hes fighting with? Thats what you think is appropriate? No, hence why I said it should've been charged as manslaughter. Charging it as murder is an overreach. B…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 04:02 AM
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Recent court cases have shown that black men are considered the most expendable class. Karmelo Anthony gets charged with murder for killing a guy who physically attacked him first, after warning the dude not to. Gets convicted of murder. Normally nothing higher than a manslaughter charge would fly here. While Rick Chow gets acquitted of murder despite killing a black teenager after chasing him down off of a false theft suspicion. Dude was fleeing, he got shot in the back. Society is never beatin…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 01:48 AM
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Basic baseline physical attraction can’t be negotiated, either the person meets your baseline threshold as a maybe / yes or they don’t. That’s true AND what might at first or otherwise be attractive can and is OFTEN completely negated and made unattractive by behavior, attitudes, personality, social skills, etc. Sure, but that's ultimately irrelevant on places like Reddit where the guys were not attractive to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 12:18 AM
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So then you're attaching sexual success to misogyny levels, when the two are unrelated.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 12:12 AM
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At that point, ironically, being meek and humble works better. Never works for men. Morons and manchildren still get women via random chance while numbers gaming. Meek and humble men get nobody.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 09:08 PM
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And we can easily see there are droves of red pillers who don't get laid, but somehow that never seems to be the issue there. Because they already weren't getting laid pre-red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 12:15 PM
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No, they are not nice people, and the blame it on being sexually undesirable or socially awkward. Those are the only determining factors, as proven by people of all shades in other categories getting dates as long as they successfully arouse and seduce others. Or the my start claiming “well women date bad boys!” It is objectively a fact that some bad men are dating some women. Otherwise we would not have ample abuse stats and no women would get cheated on or sexually exploited. Not catering to b…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 11:20 AM
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No. You misunderstood, these men you believe are nice guys, are usually not. Prove it. I am extremely scrutinizing. There’s a reason why nobody dates them They are not socially and/or sexually desirable. Period. Done. Those are always the reasons one doesn't get a date. Stop adding unnecessary assumptions that crumble under any examination, just to take baseless jabs at peoples' personal character. Plenty of bad guys get tons of women and plenty of nice guys get none. The reverse is also true. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 10:27 AM
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If you're really claiming that there are no nice guys who don't get laid that is so mind blowingly obtuse that it's not worth engaging with. If you cannot tell us with a straight face here that you'd sleep with any guy who's nice to you, then that proves it's possible to be nice but not sexually attractive. Because the two have nothing to do with eachother.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 08:47 AM
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There are plenty of nice guys who don't get laid dude. Stop gaslighting and whitewashing the issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 07:33 AM
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The claim is that those traits aren't sexually attractive on their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 07:31 AM
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Undesirable women know full well they're gonna get annihilated by the comments if they say anything similar, as shown by the cases when they have, doesn't mean they don't feel similarly though.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 04:55 AM
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Okay but if there's no guarantee then their assumption of bad character is baseless and stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 04:45 AM
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Do you want to be friends with somebody who is annoyed, unpleasant, and treats you like shit? Do you want a roommate like that? Do you want a coworker like that? Doesn't matter, if being nice doesn't guarantee getting laid then it's mind blowingly dumb for those idiots to assume the guys who don't get laid are bad people.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 04:44 AM
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Unless those are specifically the traits that attracted you then he's still right about the "attraction" part.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 04:40 AM
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Many women when asked what they want say they like nice guys. And when a guy complains about not getting laid, many blue pillers say it's because of his toxic personality, misogyny, and objectification of women. That implies that if you don't have these things then you'll get laid. If they would stop lying about that then the misconception would disappear. Dating is about social skills, seductive skills (different thing from social skills), and looks. It has nothing to do with being nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 04:36 AM
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Being THE OPTION must be mutual on both ends, men and women and if it's not that then women do not care to date you or anything at all. Okay, so then don't encourage men to think this way. Since if the one only woman he wants rejects him then that puts him in a terrible situation. Men have to think the way they do because they face countless rejections before they find a woman who wants them. What you're asking for is unreasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 01:57 AM
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No need to put "special" in quotes, it simply refers to the privileges the select few get.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 01:54 AM
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both genders want this. No we're perfectly fine with being the best she thinks she can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 01:52 AM
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In that specific case their mental illness may make them feel awkward and uncomfortable in response to kindness. They feel like they're supposed to be treated worse, like they "deserve".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 01:10 AM
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Meanwhile, women see tons of misogynistic assholes who have horrible success with women. Outside of old guys (who probably pulled when they were younger) and the internet, where do you see that? Mind you that if the guy gets sex then it's not "horrible success".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 12:39 AM
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Likely the same % of unattractive un charismatic men would also be abusive but can’t find as many victims. Unattractive men, yes. Uncharismatic men, no, since the personality traits women find desirable such as assertiveness and general masculinity are more correlated with abusive behavior than the traits they don't like such as shyness and submissiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 12:33 AM
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If you're someone who people don't like anyway then morality and lenience are completely worthless. I'm gonna start going 0-100 on anyone who wrongfully pesters me in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:45 AM
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Some men are taken seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 11:50 PM
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Men literally kill men more often. They hate other men more than women, so pointing out how much they hate women comes off trivial.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 11:50 PM
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Forums on the internet are not representative of real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 11:48 PM
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More men get non-sexually physically assaulted/killed than women, no amount of cherrypicking will make women worse-off in that regard, it's only seen as such a special problem when women are targeted because people value women's lives and safety more than men's. Examples are ER, Killed more men than women. He was lashing out about not getting laid. That is not a misogyny issue; he was a misogynist, but even if he wasn't, the issue of not getting laid would've remained and he'd have still killed …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 11:45 PM
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Any woman can get a bunch of matches on apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:13 PM
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Incels want a woman period, that's not a misalignment of value, they should have a female equivalent out there somewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:56 AM
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You call even significantly overweight women attractive though. Bet you wouldn't call fat guys attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:55 AM
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Wanting someone with similar traits to you will never be picky.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:48 AM
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Oversimplifying what I said to a mere matter of "difference in circumstance" flattens the meaning of the point to an absurd degree that invalidates the existence of problems themselves. That's a bold complaint from someone who then proceeded conflate the concept in question with a bunch of dissimilar ones. I'm talking about the difference between an empty gun and a loaded gun and you're acting like that's the same as the difference between a working gun and a melted gun. In the latter case the d…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 05:36 AM
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This seems like a complete non-sequitur. I was clarifying that contrary to implications it's not an innate problem with men, just a difference in circumstance. male tone policing A description is not a demand.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 05:17 AM
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Women report lower happiness now than in prior generations.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 05:03 AM
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How many of those dudes are virgins though?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 05:01 AM
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Regarding the kinds of guys women are getting with: you're assuming the unchosen guys would be any better. considering how prevalent sexual coercion from men is, why do you think they're any better? There is nothing stating that men who sexually coerce women are broadly unchosen men. They are unchosen by that woman specifically, but other women might be choosing them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:58 AM
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The "kinds of guys getting the most women" are a combination of looks/extroversion/low neuroticism. I'm not sure why this is supposed to be some sort of groundbreaking, earth-shattering revelation to men. Where are all the women threatening to "drop out of society" and remove the rights of men just because they like young, conventionally attractive women? That's right, no where because in reality the male ego and entitlement make them the emotional ones. The difference is because lower desirabil…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:54 AM
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Most women do not give a shit about changes in men, and the only change we perceive is that retards are dropping out of dating, and the normal men are carrying on as per normal scheduled programming. Wonderful, so you should have no complaints then since all the remaining options are normal men and only the retards got locked out, supposedly.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:41 AM
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If you were there for the end or god forbid the last one left you wouldn't be so content with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:39 AM
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Modern men are more feminist than ever yet more men are single than ever. Raising men feminist is the problem. Too many of them end up afraid of approaching women, since they don't want to offend them, and don't flirt because they don't want to objectify women, thus ending up never getting girlftiends, becoming incels on the internet, and then getting into hateful manosphere movements.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:33 AM
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The point is that lowering standards is a viable solution for undesirable women but not for undesirable men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 02:53 AM
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Not the same thing for women, undesirable women can still find relationships if they lower their standards. OP's point is that undesirable men can't.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 02:48 AM
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The point is just that in the absence of a solution people will consider hypotheticals where they're not doomed instead. It's not like there's much else to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 06:04 PM
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Thing is men are expected to do more social work in initial dating phases than women on average. Since the bar is higher it's more likely for the requirements to be imaccessible to ND men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 04:38 PM
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Who cares about friends and a job lmao. One of the girls never talked beyond saying sorry if she made a mistake (as in I never heard her say a word beyond "Sorry"), she was that shy, but she was pleasant to be around and that was enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 11:29 AM
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No it's to explain the situations where a woman who had casual sex is in a relationship with a guy who never got to have casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 08:33 AM
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Short men get made fun of all the time. Difference is undesirable men who get mocked often don't get any positive experiences to make up for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 08:30 AM
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The femcel subreddits are still complaining about getting DMs from Reddit men. How much more evidence is necessary to prove that men drew the short straw on this subject?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 08:27 AM
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But he's Logically Thinking. Easier = better. 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 05:07 AM
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You are apathetic, unmotivated, passive, stagnant, and do not have ambition? I'm not sure how you're suprised about this on Reddit. How does a father even be a present and engaged father if he doesn’t care about anything and is unmotivated? Sense of obligation. For example you're not necessarily motivated about court-ordered community service, but you do it because it needs to be done.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 05:01 AM
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I’m not even sure how a man like this would have and raise kids. My niece and newphew like me because I'm attentive, provide food when they visit, and let them play with me. Kids at camp liked me because I helped them with tasks and congratulated them on successes. Typical nice person stuff. Don't have to be cool or competent to be supportive. What sort of traits is he passing onto his children?? Good behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 04:58 AM
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Why would anyone want to piss their time away imagining this? Current world sucks so people imagine better alternatives. I think your time would be better spent figuring out how to be active and social There are neurodivergent conditions that prevent it. Can't be social if nobody likes you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 04:54 AM
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Eternal virginity and lack of relationships is an understandable thing to be peeved about.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 04:50 AM
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The "boring guy" can probably go find some crackwhore willing to sleep with him if he's willing to be her financing for her fix, doesn't make that a desirable option. No, crackwhores want interesting guys. They can get drug dealers and fellow junkies to supply stuff. Nobody's going to be over the moon for 400 pound asocial pillow princesses with awful skin and fashion Not over the moon's still better than nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 04:49 AM
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I liked the women I met who have these traits. There's still affection.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 04:45 AM
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Then there'd be far less competition in the world, women would be mistreated less often, "be a nice guy" advice would actually work, and the red pill would either look a lot different (and less misogynistic) or not exist. Better situation than now.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 04:44 AM
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We'd have to set terms that I'm not paying for shit since she gets enough free money from simps.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 04:37 AM
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Doesn't seem like there's a single place for dudes to go where they don't "ruin it for everyone else", it gets to a point where one just says fuck everyone else. 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 04:28 AM
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Employment physical requirements never had to be modified for Jews, Blacks, and Arabs. Employers never had to take a loss on pregnancy leave for Jews, Blacks, and Arabs.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 04:23 AM
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There's no possible way. Contradictions are encountered no matter how one rationalizes it. One could argue that requiring someone approach you isn't being confident. And if we counter that argument by saying, "you don't have to approach to be confident", then men who don't approach are not automatically insecure.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 04:18 AM
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Respect to you for applying nuance to your initial assumptions. Personally I haven't seen women who contradicted my assumptions about women, even on the internet. That leads me to believe only a trivial amount do, if any. Not gonna apply a golden mean fallacy to those generalizations just because other generalizations were debunked.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 03:47 AM
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But women get away with being passive and weak. 🤷‍♂️ Anyway, your point proves my statement that best behavior doesn't work for everyone. It doesn't work for passive and weak guys. They are trying to be considerate and not irritate or creep out women but their courtesy is taken for granted. If the dude has to change who he is entirely to date anyway, because women don't accept passive and weak guys, he might as well also change the things TRP advises in order to maximize his gains. If people don…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 10:41 PM
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It didn't work when the individual tried it themselves, which is all that matters. Other people have other attributes helping them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 10:26 PM
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Part of niceness is modesty, of course self-advocacy would be lacking.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 10:24 PM
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or doing the work to not be a late bloomer. Past-tense, invalid. "Should'ves" aren't relevant. if they were lonely they wouldn’t have created a gender war and would be on their best behavior. The whole point was that (some) nice guys didn't get laid. Best behavior does not universally work. If every nice guy got laid then the advice would just be "be a nice guy" and TRP wouldn't exist. Obviously people aren't gonna be on their best behavior when it's established not to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 10:02 PM
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male virgins/low n shouldn’t lie If they're honest, how do they get laid? Past a certain age most women find that weird. but they do a lot to ride the pussy carousel. There is no "pussy carousel" for most men, that's like saying there's a "yacht carousel" no only rich people get yachts lmao. There is no “loneliness epidemic” sexless men, who have no options If there's no loneliness epidemic then sexless men with no options wouldn't exist. There would be no late bloomers and I wouldn't be making …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 09:52 PM
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No, struggling males won't actually accept your characterization of them being at a different stage of life from younger women. Socially a struggling male at 35 may have way less experience and skills than a 20 year-old woman. Also single moms don't want ancient virgins either, they don't have patience for childish men, they want developed responsible guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 09:43 PM
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A lot of people assume older virgins/etc. are shitty people anyway. 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 09:41 PM
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Depending on the age bracket it can be pretty unlikely they want to do common 20s age person stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 09:39 PM
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Didn't say it was healthy, or that you should enter any serious relationship with the people you lied to. The important part is getting to live the lifestyle you want before having to settle down.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 09:37 PM
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The odds are rarely on anyone's side. Numbers game.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 09:19 PM
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If they get caught they get caught. Just move on to the next group.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 09:14 PM
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Late bloomers should absolutely lie about their age. People have too many expectations of older people that a late bloomer is not gonna be interested in meeting yet. No they don't want to immediately settle down.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 09:12 PM
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Unattractive women have casual sex with average and above men. Not undesirable men lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:51 PM
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She doesn't have to if she doesn't want to. The point is that she gets the choice. Husband material men aren't getting choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:46 PM
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Yes but as said they are not forcing the woman to be wifey material, she could choose to have fast sex if she wanted.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:40 PM
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Men probably still wouldn't make men they want to wife wait for sex though.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:30 AM
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Men literally don't do that. Men would hook up with their girlfriends in a different scenario. No woman is restricted to being "relationship material".
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:23 AM
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Barely any of us dudes here are fat lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 02:59 AM
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We don't disagree. The women do have just as much access to relationships. It's just not with Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 02:58 AM
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Maybe they're addicted to variety until a certain age. So the woman he ends up staying with basically just won a game of musical chairs.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 01:12 AM
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I'm insinuating that it's worse to have to wait than to not have to.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 12:42 AM
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Men are not judged only on looks/money. There is a class of men with a set of traits that gets them never chosen. Ugly women can still get chosen.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 12:26 AM
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He's probably referring to how a lot of women want to be choked/etc. during sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 12:05 AM
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your faking an entire personality that isn't you for the sake of scoring with a women Yes, that's why it's a "game". Congratulations your a fake ass person If the alternative is eternal virginity then who cares. Kindness and authenticity should be rewarded more in life if we want everyone to stay on a righteous path.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 12:02 AM
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He's using Chris Brown as an example because people know about him, not because you need to be a celebrity to get tons of women. Even if Chris Brown was broke and unknown he'd still get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 11:59 PM
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I don't get how she's confused about the frustration. If for example 1/10 women can date 4/10 men by wearing makeup, who TF are 1/1 men supposed to date?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 11:58 PM
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Slut shaming came back because women were already being selective about hookups. If I don't get to hookup myself then I sure as hell don't want to date women who hooked up with other guys but don't think I'm good enough, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 11:48 PM
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Hookup guy is held to less standards and gets sex faster. Anyone who gets into a relationship with this woman is being disrespected. The post getting upvoted says all one needs to know about the terrible state of modern dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 11:46 PM
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The dude she hooked up with didn't have to wait for sex. Also didn't have to live a responsible lifestyle or have good politics.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 11:43 PM
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No tits. 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 11:37 PM
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You mentioned that's there's rarely good sex. So that means you eventually get a good outcome, while the dude never gets a good outcome. Anyway women of all appearance types are married. There is a chance a dude you encounter wants more than sex. While there is no chance anyone does anything with the male version.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 11:15 PM
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Anything you get is what was offered.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 11:00 PM
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Ok let’s say it doubles. That means 99 percent still get some. If I told anyone “hey you got a 99 percent chance” people would take those odds. But the odds aren't the same for everyone. For most it's virtually 100% while for a few it's virtually 0%. Keeping in mind the vast majority of .7 are likely physically or mentally disabled people (and that doesn’t even include asexuals). Well that would make an able-bodied mentally sound still-virgin male even more irritable about his personal situation…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 03:54 PM
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Are you going to claim that the average guy has 0 prospects? No, the average guy in general has more than 0 prospects. But the term used was, "the average guy here," like on this subreddit specifically, and that's a different concept entirely. That said, no, in my current situation I have 0 dating prospects, the one lesbian woman around my age here who is single is a person I dislike. So yes, quite literally I have no one to date untill I move to a bigger city, unless I plan on becoming a homewr…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 03:48 PM
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Well I got great news: 99.7 percent end up getting something by 40. 0.3% of 343 million people is still over 1 million people. People who are heavily represented on online forums. And the percentage will probably grow going forward, especially since social acceptance of just buying sex is declining. A lot of guys currently over 44 grew up in an era where it was still largely okay to just take the easy way out and pay for it. (And I have a feeling the “wish I was” bros figure it out and it gets b…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 03:44 PM
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It'd take some twisted logic to claim that I have better dating prospects now than an average guy here does Do you have more than 0 prospects?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 03:29 PM
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You probably haven't met men who can never achieve relationships or get laid either. That would make someone dislike the orientation they're stuck with.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 03:18 PM
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Unfortunately looking at gay men does not magically turn straight men gay.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 03:13 PM
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The traits required to gain large amounts of money are not correlated with stable emotional states. Dark triad sociopaths are not typically very happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 03:06 PM
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There should be more research into sexual orientation conversion treatment. Being straight as a male is absolutely terrible if you're on the less desirable end.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 03:02 PM
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You're also competing with a lot more people, though. Despite the large amount of straight women, a less desirable straight man may appeal to virtually none of them. Interest tends to cluster around the more desirable men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 02:57 PM
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I date women and I don’t struggle at all People have different expectations of the same sex than of the opposite sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 02:49 PM
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given my small hands I would have a small dong. Not necessarily. Scientifically those features aren't related. Personally I have smaller hands than my mom, but that didn't impact anything else lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 02:47 PM
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The individual who approaches and breaks the ice is leading the conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 02:43 PM
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OP is referring to complaining women, though, who obviously didn't have similar success.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 02:40 PM
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Yes, men complain about basic things like not getting a relationship at all. Women still complain despite having a variety of opportunities on offer. OP's saying that's being more entitled. If a guy working in some sweat shop in the 3rd world complains about life that's understandable. If Trump complains about life fuck him, he lives a life of privilege and still manages to screw it up. Same notion on this issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 02:35 PM
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They're still not entitled to more than what's offered.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 02:31 PM
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Chad wants to have sex with the fat lady. Not date her. The men actually on the fat woman's level want relationships with her. The fat woman is bitching that that Chad doesn't also want relationships with her. OP is saying her demand there is ridiculous, since she's not quality enough to deserve Chad's commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 02:27 PM
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Yes, men give them those relationships. Again, this seems like a problem with your team, not women. It's not really entitlement if you can actually do it. It'd be like telling someone who can dunk in 90% of cases that they're entitled to dunking...like, no, they just do it so much that it's rare they don't. Same for fat chicks and finding sex or relationships. It's entitled when you can't dunk even 10% of the time. You misunderstood the point. He's saying the entitlement is in fat women expectin…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 02:24 PM
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For one, that's an assumption, and one people only make when they themselves see the traits as something for the guy to be ashamed of. And secondly, why does that excuse not work for anything else? If I call a woman a fat ugly slut nobody is going to give me a pass just because "the terms are effective on women," they're going to assume I'm a misogynist and scold me for using bigoted language. As long as these blatant double standards are in play we will never have an equal society.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 06:24 AM
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I had never heard of Gregory Bovino before today. First thing I learned was that he's an ousted MAGA dude revolting against Trump. Second thing I heard is that he's short. Funny how the guy is a brutal fascist, incompetent moron, and delusional pest, but the main thing peoole are making fun of him for is being short. Society is never beating the allegations that it hates short men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 04:39 AM
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Nukes are ridiculous, the hard way is simply Bush era direct warfare.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 08:06 AM
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Most people didn't vote for him. He's in office because for some dumb reason US elections don't have run-offs when nobody hits the majority.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 05:17 AM
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Being considered.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 04:03 AM
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The new Iran deal includes $300 billion in reparations. Yes they deserve it and yes Trump is an idiot, but still, I don't want our taxes going to this shit. Why should we pay for an orange moron's fuck up? If that's the only way to make a deal then Trump should just finish the war the hard way, country is bleeding money already.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 03:20 AM
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No, since the circumstances are different. A "wifey material" woman could easily just not to do those things, live the alternative lifestyle if she wanted, and still get men. It's a choice whether she performs wifely duties or not. "Husband material" men feel locked in a box where they either do husband stuff or are forced to stay single. They don't have the option to just do flings and casual sex. It's the lack of freedom that's the insult.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 01:10 AM
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Does it matter that there might be some men who want them? Yes, because it makes the, "all men hate [redacted] women" complaints invalid. There are men who don't hate them who are being ignored. Whereas there is no way to prove a male foreveralone wrong since actual no women want him. “Hey, there are guys who want to be with you, even though you know it wouldn’t work out. You’re not truly lonely”. The claim isn't that they're not lonely, it's that their generalizations are bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 06:37 PM
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Getting real annoyed with the femcel subs getting spammed on my front page. For one they're female-only, so I can't counter-argue. But secondly it's just constant blatantly false bitching. There are men who want these women, the women just don't want them back. Yet they whine as if all men are neglecting them. Foreveralone men aren't lying about being universally unwanted (or, at least enough of them are being honest about it for the concept to remain valid). While these women actively turn down…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 05:28 PM
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It fits with marriage selection.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 04:42 PM
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There's nothing wrong with them having those standards and being frustrated, they should just stop acting like they have it as bad as incel men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 02:11 PM
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"Men don't treat women like people" is a dumb complaint when they treat other men even worse. Men commit significantly more crimes against eachother than against women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 02:06 PM
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Hillary was literally under FBI investigation during her primary and had a history of hawkish foreign policy and bad Congressional votes career-wise. Trump sucked too but Republicans like shitty candidates, if it's bad candidate vs. bad candidate the GOP usually wins. Harris was fine, but she was VP under Biden, and people hated Biden at the time. A dude would've still lost in her position.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 02:04 PM
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I said "a lot of us" not the entire male gender or even a majority of the male gender. There is no way in which I treat those groups differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:59 PM
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Statistically they might not be all that happy, since those women have higher divorce rates.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:25 PM
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Ofc they oppose rp men who advocate for less rights for women. Those are tradcons not TRP. The "not care if you offend" stretches into asshole behaviour. It does. But that's life. The ND man will almost surely die alone if he doesn't risk it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 01:02 PM
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It was a toolkit that benefited men who already had enough raw material to capitalize on it. The original intended audience was "average frustrated chumps" and the intent was to get them a lot of bangs, not an outright Chad life where women just come up to him. Back in the day, before dating apps, it worked fine. Apps made immutable traits a much more significant factor, though. The women most desperate for sex don't wait at a bar now, they just get a hot guy from an app. That change screwed TRP…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 12:55 PM
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The question is not really whether you will inspire as much immediate raw lust as super Chad: you won't. But that is also true of how men feel about women. Even the hot GF you truly love won't provoke the same reaction as a supermodel. A lot of us don't have different reactions to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 12:49 PM
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Well it's not, you can't say that stuff in real life without getting socially ostracized.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 12:31 PM
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Except it's not? Unfairness and urges are facts of life. Deservedness is an imaginary subjective concept.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 12:21 PM
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It's a moral injustice if morally bad people get rewarded while morally goid people rot, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 12:19 PM
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A super basic thing any woman can do is talk to the younger men in their life and explain women's fears to them so they understand before reaching the age when they become part of the problem. Unfortunately that often just loops back to the red pill pipeline, due to how dating works. Woman explains problem to young man. Young man decides to follow instructions and not be part of the problem. He becomes a nice guy and never bothers women. He's always friendly and never sexually objectifies women.…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 12:15 PM
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By 19 you're college age, if you're not getting any in college that won't magically change later.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 12:01 PM
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OP was already told that feminism isn't about dating, yet here we are. Feminists constantly oppose the red pill, though, when if they were really committed to not talking about dating they'd just stay silent on the subject. There is no magical cure all treatment. At least not until somebody discovers autism medication. Because that is the main issue. That is the elephant in the room. And is very very often glossed over, danced around, "plenty of ND people are partnered". Well, a whole lot more p…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 11:54 AM
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You seem to want feminism, which exists to achieve equality for women (I am over-simplifying but you get the idea), to somehow also aim to solve your personal problems. Even if they don't do that, they could at least remain neutral/quiet, instead of attacking the OP. How come you don't fight more for world hunger? Peace in the middle east? Everyobe has issues and topics that are important to them. Feminism isn't supposed to solve every issue in the world. Sure, but the issue in this specific cas…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/26 11:52 AM
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No, you're not understanding the definition of the word. Everyone wants hot people. There's no distinctive term for that since it's universal. Hypergamy is an attraction pattern that's calculated based on a comparison between the individual and the target. The definition on Wikipedia: Hypergamy (colloquially referred to as "dating up" or "marrying up)[1] is a term used in social science for the act or practice of a person dating or marrying a spouse perceived to be of higher "mating value" than …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 01:45 PM
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It's better than what men get. The only DMs I've gotten on Reddit across years are moderator/ban notes, spam, and random manosphere dudes sharing YouTube links.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 01:18 PM
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Yes, and the fact that the attraction isn't based on a personal comparison means it isn't hypergamous. It's not like how women will explictly say they want a man taller than them, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 01:16 PM
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There’s a small window of time where a woman has to be perfect and find the perfect man or else men consider her an older party girl. She doesn't have to be perfect. She can date guys who made the same mistakes back then. The issue is thinking mistakes shouldn't change one's dating pool at all. The former party girl isn’t the one who is single after 30. Yes, since she gets beta buxxers. IRS the shy and awkward women who men didn’t like or find attractive. Those are based. Men HATE having to sett…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 01:11 PM
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Thing is women don't often bring as much to the table as they ask for. A man may want a specific wonan now, but not after doing all the work she demands of him.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 12:23 PM
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They're gonna challenge you with "god forbid we want equality, not control" sentiments, while casually glossing over the many ways dating isn't actually equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 12:04 PM
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She could easily just date men who don't do that, and also not treat them worse than men who did. 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 11:53 AM
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But he could lie? Well yes anyone can lie, and naturally liars are also bad partners. What if he doesn’t like a restaurant because it made him really sick but since he went there with his ex, it’s only fair he goes again, I mean, I expect the same in return. Get sick or you clearly don’t love me as much as your ex Maybe the sickness was a one-off. He should try it again if his partner is interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 11:32 AM
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The male version of AF/BB isn't as bad since the woman being treated worse isn't the one who has to deal with him for the rest of her life. They bang and move on. The man is being disrespected by his actual spouse.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 11:28 AM
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Comparing it to what he's done for other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 10:55 AM
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Cool. We're just saying we don't want women who had casual sex with other guys but wouldn't with us. They're not entitled to waste our time and depress us in terrible relationships either.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 10:54 AM
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I think if a guy gives his best it's fair to expect the same in return. 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 10:47 AM
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Men aren't hypergamous. Hypergamy is requiring a mate superior to yourself. Men just want hot women, even if the women are inferior. 10/10 Chad will still bang a 7/10 Becky.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 10:41 AM
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Except that's false, femcels constantly reject incels, not the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 10:40 AM
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Difference is most men have never given anyone a billion dollars, while plenty of women have had casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 10:38 AM
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Guys are largely fine with it AS LONG AS their girlfriend hasn't treated any other guys like that either. If she has then he's not getting her best.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 10:37 AM
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The women don't actually have to be evil for this to still be accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 10:35 AM
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but from what i hear on here. some guys would be traumatized by the fact that i had car sex a few times. If you're not willing to have it again, absolutely. But it has nothing to do with the quality of car sex. Just that you did it with some other guys but not them. The issues are never with it being some great type of sex. The sex can be absolute garbage. But it doesn't change the problem, so explaining that, "well actually it's pretty uncomfortable" is genuinely pointless.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 10:11 AM
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Yeah, I guess that would spark idle curiosity. But I was only listing a "commonly accepted" example for men... I can't think of a "commonly accepted" negative trend for women, so anything I list would just spark a secondary debate, which is unnecessary.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 10:06 AM
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Well what was the problem in your 20s? A lot of people get married early enough to avoid the structural issues of late dating. You can still mostly avoid them too if you date men who were in a similar predicament to you in their 20s (whatever it was). The complaints about beta buxxing are largely from guys left out of young dating now being expected to marry former party girls. It doesn't universally apply to all older couples.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 10:03 AM
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I'm not sure the point I'm making requires an example.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 09:47 AM
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What you see as “men taking women’s side AGAINST other men!” is usually just humans who don’t like people who focus their criticism on a single demographic. There are many users here who always criticize men and have absolutely nothing to say about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 09:42 AM
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But trends exist, for example men commit crime more often than women, and people generally seem fine when that's pointed out. But when anyone points out similar trends among women the bitching never ceases.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 09:41 AM
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if the guy who is asexual undesirable what do you want women to do? Reflect on why it's so rare for asexual men to be desirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 05:09 AM
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Your story only proves women are similarly shallow to men. All that changed to make you datable was physical appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 05:03 AM
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Men obviously care about things other than sex. Otherwise desirable men would just casually bang every woman they get with, instead of eventually marrying one. The one he marries is the one whose personality he preferred. Desperate men however do not have the luxury to be picky about personality, and will make do with a partner who only provides sex. For men sex with an attractive partner is almost always better than no sex. That is never going to change, it's a fundamental gender difference, so…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:59 AM
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Feminists do not want men getting the benefits of patriarchy (and have successfully denied them in many cases), so they should not be expecting men to lead and protect either, regardless of what dudes say. It's fair for a traditional woman to have such expectations, not a feminist.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 04:46 AM
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Even if a man puts a lot of effort into left improvement, often times they are really just only making up for losses in looks and age with some status and wealth. Sure but for dudes following pills they usually don't start with much to begin with. On no he lost stuff that didn't help anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 08:10 AM
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What you women aren't getting is that harder than impossible doesn't exist. If the dude did not pull young women at all when he was their age then it can't actually get harder for him to do so. But it might get easier now that he has more skills and assets.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 08:05 AM
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That's true but most men don't pull purely off of looks to begin with. They need skills and assets, and those improve with age.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 08:02 AM
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That's ultimately shifting the goal posts, though. They basically said, "no young women for you." If the older dude successfully dates young women, the claim is debunked. Doesn't matter whether the young woman is fat or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 08:00 AM
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A lot of guys don't want younger GFs due to life stage/maturity differences. They just do casual lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 07:55 AM
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A lot of those women are taken and others have annoying expecations for money/career/commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 07:53 AM
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A woman's opinion on whether she wants kids is liable to change with age, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 07:42 AM
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Unless you are already extremely attractive in your twenties, were a shut in or obese in your 20s Do the men of the manosphere strike you as dudes who do/did well in their 20s? If you start at the bottom the only path is up. A standard man faces a situation where the vast majority of women don't want him in general. This percentage being slightly higher among younger women is essentially trivial. He's gonna get rejected a billion times by women his age too.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 07:41 AM
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The 69 year-old army veteran owner of the "Trump House" (home with a massive amount of MAGA decorations) was beaten to death in an unprovoked assault. Liberals never beating the allegations smh.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 03:52 AM
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Well I wasn't replying to you there. Regardless, the point stands that we aren't listing that since it's not a readily apparent thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 05:39 AM
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Don't be safe.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 03:14 AM
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Because it's irrelevant. By the time anyone saw our penis they already chose to have sex with us. The value of the penis itself is thus trivial.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 02:57 AM
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Because women usually only value tall heights. The wish is for women to actually have a variety of physical preferences, instead of all being the same. For example a lot of men like short women but tall women are also valued as models, athletes, etc. A lot of men like thin women but there are chubby chasers too. Meanwhile I cannot think of very many cases where a woman prefers a short man. If they care about height at all it's almost always in preference of tall men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 02:54 AM
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Men often do not have the option to choose better. If they want kids they will often have to accept subpar women. "Pick better" is for people with an abundance of options. Most men don't have that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 02:45 AM
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The simple fact is that some men have 0 options, so a guy having more than 0 options proves women rate him positively in some sense. Again, if men can’t be picky or else they’ll be left with nothing, then it would be more reasonable that they would be more relationship oriented because far more women prefer relationships. A relationships-only lifestyle is too big of a risk in a world where most women have hooked up at least once. The guy has to prove he's desirable enough for hookups too first, …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 07:43 AM
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They do be fuckin at the club but I don't think it should count 🤣 I would wager 99% of people who highly care about n-count have never been in remotely similar scenarios to what's described in the post. It's a total incompatibility. Of course they'd count it lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 06:47 AM
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Where's the privilege? Hell where's the equality? The average PPD woman probably has a better life than the average PPD man. Patriarchy is not evenly distributed.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 06:42 AM
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People always assumed I was a "square" who didn't do drugs or hookups. Meanwhile, I had cocaine in my bag and on my way to meet up with a fuck buddy. Of course. You're a woman, so you can live any sort of sociosexual lifestyle you want regardless of initial appearances or readily apparent abilities. While guys who come off like squares 99% of the time actually are just squares, and even a lot of guys who don't look square are also squares. So...over 16 years of course, I'm going to have some hoo…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:28 AM
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enjoyed kissing randoms for funsies From the perspective of a lot of the guys who care about this stuff that might as well be the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/26 04:22 AM
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Dude, no. The men who get chosen and the men who NEVER get chosen are largely different types of people. If they were remotely similar then their results would not differ so much. A guy who's cheating on women and a guy who can never get any women lifetime are as different as night and day. I'm not saying unchosen men are automatically good or anything, just that no reliable judgment can be made about them based off of the actions of chosen men, since their personalities are simply not generally…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 11:53 PM
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You have no proof of that. He could have terrible social skills and nothing else going for him, in which case his view on women would be irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 10:17 AM
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Incels and fuckboys are similar in their selfishness, entitlement, misogyny, and lack of consideration. If they were similar they wouldn't have completely different social lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 10:11 AM
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Let's be real though plenty of other guys are being honest and are not social or flirtatious.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 09:53 AM
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Women can just wait to be approached. They don't have to do the clown jester shit to begin with, so there is no demand for them to behave out of character and nothing for them to be embarrassed about.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 07:02 AM
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No. Don't compare your poorly informed takes to a professional's lesson plan.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 06:50 AM
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In any deal both sides are expected to be reasonable. If we absolve one side of this responsibility, both sides are absolved, and it's on nobody.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 02:10 AM
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I dunno how much you're in school, but the slow and dumb kids absolutely frustrate other kids and deal with social repercussions for their learning process. Guess that depends on the environment, most of my classes were majority-dumb so it was the intelligent ones who didn't fit in.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:47 AM
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It seems contradictory to me to propose a person so introverted and solitary to the point that my advice feels humiliating and wasteful, while also yearning for romantic connection to a degree that they refer to not having it as "goal failure." Well it's an observable phenomenon, there are many wallflowers and similar reserved women still in relationships. The drive to mate is largely ubiquitous, even for otherwise socially disinclined individuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:46 AM
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The ability to change most of those things is limited. And also if people at-large have disproportionate expectations then the problem is more them than the individual not meeting them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:38 AM
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Or that society believes women should choose better because they’re always picking terrible guys. Politically correct society sure doesn't believe that. They believe men bad and should be less bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:35 AM
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Can't be sure of that. I haven't learned any social skills in over a decade, probably have less now.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:32 AM
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If you’re nice and considerate, you will handle initiating, escalating, rejection and building romantic momentum just fine Um, no? Guilt and shame are a thing, often derived from failed attempts at a task.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:25 AM
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Socializing is not necessary to create social relationships, some people literally just get a like on an app lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:23 AM
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Some people attract based on innate idle traits, rather than active skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:22 AM
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Think of all the guys you know who are cool, fun to be with, and caring. I don't know anyone like that lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:20 AM
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Status: Irrelevant past high school. This is shit hierarchy-brained men obsess over but in reality most non-golddigger women don't really think about. What matters is "is he fun to be around" It's relevant to me because having status is my only pull condition. I could pull back when I had status. I don't look good enough to pull off of looks and my personality is most definitely not attuned to the stereotypes women want. Probably the same for a lot of guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:16 AM
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It doesn't have to be deterministic. If 150 men are X, but only 100 women like men who are X, then yes X can get married, but not all of X men can married. At least 50 will not. The ones who didn't had a luck issue, not necessarily a skill issue. Since their total population outnumbered the group of women willing to date men like them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:11 AM
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A skill is something you actively do. Choice and control are implied. "Don't be born with this horrific genetic impediment" is a luck issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 01:08 AM
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Some men are natural introverts with solitary interests and find all of that a massive, humiliating waste of time if it still resolves in goal failure.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:48 AM
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I've had women make the first move and plan the date, I've had women insist on paying A large amount of men have not had either of these things occur ever, so their perspectives are going to differ.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:43 AM
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Or, go with me here: he isn't doing everything right. Often true, not universally true. I think this is a lot of struggling men, the problem is they don't like the guidance because much like school it's like...study harder, here's how you study, be more disciplined, spend less time doing what you like, do this extra learning. Difference is studying presents no risk of frustrating others and being reprimanded for it. And much like school, there's a feeling that it isn't fair because that one kid …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 12:39 AM
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In the incel community "escortcels" are allowed to participate but specifically not taken as seriously as real virgins and basically in the lowest tier of the hierarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 11:06 PM
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Not comparable. Sugar baby women are surprised about having to do these things for men they expect to spend thousands of dollars on them. Men are offended about having to do these things just to date at all while women are not. In one case the expectations are fair, in the other they're lopsided.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 10:39 PM
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"It's correlated with this thing, which is correlated with this thing" is so far away from being anything more than "this sounds like it makes sense." He's being nice, higher body count is also just directly correlated with higher infidelity risk. But obviously there are personality traits correlated with each action, which is what he was getting at. That doesn't really contradict your point about attention-seeking behavior. It's entirely plausible that said behavior has a higher correlation wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 10:36 PM
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People should really stop accusing low value male virgins of objectifying women. If they really objectified women then they'd just go bang a prostitute, and not be virgins anymore. Their problems arise specifically from an unwillingness to objectify women, actually caring about mutual desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/26 10:29 PM
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Just found out I'm an inch taller than I thought I was for a decade. Last time I got measured was before I hit 21 lol. So all my bitching in the manosphere these past years is now partially stolen valor. Also all those women heightmogging me aren't just slightly tall, they're fucking huge. 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 07:26 PM
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socially awkward and creepy aren't synonyms, just because you're awkward doesn't mean you are creepy. But it does mean you may not know whether or not you're creepy. and women's "natural personality" is being approached, not approaching themselves. That's true for some, but plenty others are magically perfectly capable of approaching in every other social aspect but dating. The guys I refer to are wholly consistently passive. Expecting someone competent at a skill in 95% of scenarios to also app…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 02:48 PM
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I'm sorry, are you under the impression that preferences exist to be "solutions?" Well that's how men intend their preferencrs when sharing them with women. This is just one of those gender divides. You are also consistently conflating "improvement" with "changing fundamental parts of who you are." Because that's often what's required of men. "A shift" in what, specifically? Standards lowering. They should just be honest and admit that they don't care about consent or desire and would rather for…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 02:46 PM
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Why wouldn't he just dump her for "aging out" of the only period of time she'll ever be attracted to her? As has been explained many times while some guys do in fact do that, others are happy enough with the memory of her youth and stay out of love and loyalty afterwards. You are committing the naturalistic fallacy. They can have these preferences, but that doesn't make them immune from criticism or negative opinions. That's not how that works. I'm just saying that if women are going to have the…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 02:28 PM
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1. Women don't want socially awkward creepy guys approaching them. Some guys are naturally passive. Approaching literally contradicts their natural personalities. Most women don't approach either, but somehow that isn't a "problem".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 02:07 PM
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Indeed, I selectively reported what she said for the sake of positivity, she actually DID conclude that nice guys are just too shy to approach attractive women because they're so beautiful. 😳
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:00 PM
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Just saw a screenshot from Twitter of some woman asking why all her less attractive friends have nice boyfriends while the hot ones keep being treated poorly. They're waking up folks. 🫡
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 07:40 AM
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No, women are well aware since birth that men are attracted to young slim busty women. Then they should probably stop calling it shallow and creepy? A woman controls her femininity, agreeability, weight, and sexual behavior. She is free and justified to choose whatever in those fields, but she should not be judging men for preferring women who make a different set of choices. Men are aware that women don't really like fat guys either... But there aren't nearly as many complaints about that as th…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 06:25 AM
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In this specific case there's no distinction beyond "guy who gets more likes" vs. "guy who gets less likes". We could probably guess the guys getting more likes are better looking/etc., but that's beyond the scope of the study.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 05:51 AM
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This is like asking if men can trust women to not find them gross if they're fully honest about their sexual preferences. Realistically, no. men crash out about relatively mundane things like being attracted to height Women crash out over men selecting based off of weight and lifestyle when those are literally personal choices instead of things decided at birth. There's no way it's a "mundane" issue by those standards. Anyway a lot of the crashing out is over the gaslighting about the issue. Can…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 04:41 AM
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Trump's policies are screwing me over. This is why I and many others tried to give Dems advice on how to win, but they're retarded and don't obey common sense. The DNC campaign autopsy still hasn't been released but it's obviously gonna say they shouldn't have cozied up with neocons and Israel.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 08:44 PM
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Since when did men ever care about feminism? The fact that the patriarchy reduced itself clearly shows that many men who mattered cared about feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 08:37 PM
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Still better than the obnoxious dating process. And unlike women, men can't just opt of dating but still have a plausible chance of being approached.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 08:34 PM
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Yeah I don't see a way around it, it largely wasn't men who told other men to stop approaching because it's creepy. In general a lot of advice is conditioned into men but the men who resist it are the ones getting better results.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 08:31 PM
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For example: Men are a lot more willing to throw eachother under the bus than women are.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 08:29 PM
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The actual stoic/strategic thing to do is live in reality and understand that many people will not support political powers they perceive as hostile to them. I support progressive economics but I don't see a stable path forward in America unless liberals fix their messaging issues, corporate image, etc. The strategy simply needs to change.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 08:25 PM
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Don't get it twisted: feminists are mostly progressives, who mostly vote for progressive policies that directly address a number of male issues such as low wages for shit jobs, social services to low income people (which include men who are fall behind), and no wars that would require a draft. That's indirect. They still won't focus on men's issues specifically. While if a dude supported all these things but didn't care for women's issues specifically as well, most feminists would view that as i…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 08:21 PM
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I'd deal with those. A bad relationship is if they cheat or do the AF/BB thing. Everything else can be managed.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 08:11 PM
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Nice and devoted but insecure, unambitious, boring, fearful & unfunny?? I was only refuting her claim that "literally nothing" is being offered. If something can be listed then it's not "literally nothing". Do you think being nice and devoted is all a relationship requires? Personality-wise it's all a lot of men require from women. 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:52 AM
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All this tells me is you think you’re pretty enough that your personality doesn’t matter. No, I think if I'm screwed either way I'd at least like to not get personally attacked over it. Let it be about looks. Women in this thread literally saying "being nice and devoted isn't enough" and yet people still pretend guys have bad personalities if they don't pull.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:49 AM
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Yes. It's more honest.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:22 AM
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So ya'll are cool with no marriage/relationships/intimacy for a lifetime? 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:20 AM
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OP only stated that the men lack these specific values. He could still be really nice and devoted. 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 11:19 AM
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It is not a purely individual issue, people are leas willing to extend their nets to men on average. Partnered men may fare better than partnered women but men have to clear a higher bar in certain areas to get partnered at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 10:11 PM
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I'd want to be famous for access to large amounts of women in general, don't particularly care for celebrities specifically. I guess dating a celeb is bragging rights but personally I don't care for social status positioning/competition beyond its use for getting women, so said bragging rights would be redundant for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 10:02 PM
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The white pill isn't about race, it's about realities of life that are cheerful or liberating in some manner (basically the opposite of the black pill). Stuff about race is just called the "race pill" lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 10:01 PM
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Use nicknames/fake names, my mom didn't know my dad's real name for years.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 09:58 PM
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Evasion guard does that too. 🙃
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 09:57 PM
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We see ugly women. We also see from many video testimonies than an ugly chick can look hot with enough properly applied makeup.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 08:05 PM
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Eat less and wear a wig. Gonna need bigger barriers than those to compare to dudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 08:04 PM
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Doesn't explain F2M higher detransitioning rates.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/26 08:02 PM
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No, he's saying that someone not being attractive to you or other women doesn't make them defective. Obviously it's the individual's traits that make them undesirable, but not desirable =/= defective. There are men who don't want you for X reason, but that doesn't make you defective. It's just an incompatibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 09:13 AM
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The options are not the same. There are plenty of men with 0 options whatsoever anywhere. Also the expectations are not equal. Plenty of women never even approach or pay for dates and still get partners just fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 09:07 AM
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If women fail to get selected y’all would say she must be super undesirable and defective since apparently men have no standards supposedly. We'd say she must have some really rough physical condition, which isn't her fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 09:04 AM
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Getting rejected by unattractive women gets very annoying.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/26 09:01 AM
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Even if that was the case, multiple people responded cheering the law on without said context being clear. People like that are why pro-choicers are never beating the allegations. They're like what "life begins at conception, no exceptions for health/rape/incest" people are to pro-lifers.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:56 PM
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Four kids and the dumb bitch is still banging trash men? This was avoidable.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:49 PM
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The whole "bad men will be incels" thing is a revenge fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:46 PM
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Isn't that the chick who has an open relationship, bangs other dudes, and says she doesn't "respect" her man even though she "loves" him? lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:44 PM
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It is irrelevant if she was more sexually open or enthusiastic with a previous partner because that’s not the reason you should be upset. You should be upset because you are not getting your wants met. Men compromise on their wants by default. Most guys are not going to be having sex every day, even in a relationship. Most guys are not going to be having kinky porn sex. They accept these things. Other factors (such as past performance) make it harder to accept.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 05:15 PM
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I don’t understand why these men seek empathy from women specifically. Because women have already set a precedent for seeking empathy from men (feminist movements, calls for chivalry, etc.). That leads to men to the false expectation that said consideration will be reciprocated. Wouldn’t other men understand and be empathetic more so? No, unless they have the same issues themselves. "I did fine, why can't he?" Men do not have any broad "brotherhood" in-group bias like women do. Men have an out-g…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 05:07 PM
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So then nice guys are in the clear to judge women's preferences too then. 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 07:26 AM
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Dudes lie all the time lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 07:25 AM
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Yes. Be virginal. (if not virginal it's already too late, so don't bother worrying about it)
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 07:15 AM
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Reasonable men only expect that from women who've put out fast before.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 07:14 AM
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And it's great that she found a safe respectable way to satisfy her sexual urges.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 07:10 AM
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So? So that means they're not "terrible people", they're just not desirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 01:06 AM
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If over half the cast members were handpicked by the director based on appearance with no acting skill required, you're in a select group that can't get a role without auditioning, and the studio is allowed to smear your name if your audition is poor, that's an understandable thing to complain about.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 01:04 AM
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I'm not talking about the average person, I'm talking about the average loneliness epidemic Reddit guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 01:00 AM
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So you've never had an issue with an approach, then? Because if you have then your claim is BS. If women are indicating annoyance with men approaching then it's partially on them if men don't approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 12:58 AM
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Pretty sure men are generally referring to different standards for different men, not changing your standard in general. This is a good point, whether a guy pays for dates or not generally applies to all women he dates in a specific time period, not something that's determined on an individual basis.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 12:41 AM
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No, since us dudes are only complaining when this happens: you're not really a nice person if you change how you treat people based on their level of perceived attractiveness or social status.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 12:39 AM
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I'm an older guy who hasn't changed. I relate more with consistent people. That's a thing too.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 12:38 AM
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I care about past, not hypotheticals. Yeah, if the woman never actually involved herself with Chad then I don't care how she "would" treat him. There's no proof. Only things that actually happened matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 12:36 AM
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Should women reject men that don’t treat them like they would a top 1% Stacy? Yes. "Pick better" literally relates to this. There's no gotcha.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 12:31 AM
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They're coming for us and nobody speaks for us anyway lol, there's no reciprocation whether you help or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 12:26 AM
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If that was true then why did so many women's organizations in the US support Hillary/Biden over Bernie in the presidential elections? A lot of these people are full of shit, they want better prospects for people like themselves but everyone else struggling can eat dirt for all they care.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 12:25 AM
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It's fine you gravitate towards chicks who think their vaginas, but admit it. Why are we pretending most women are going around fucking all the hot guys she sees? You've literally said most women have tried hooking up at least once. Once is enough to get filed as a casual sex haver. If a dude never gets to have casual sex then he wants a partner who also never had it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/26 12:21 AM
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Those groups I listed are allowed to play either the assertive or passive roles in dating, based on what's best suited to their natural personalities. While mid or below straight men are largely only allowed to date if they competently play the assertive role. I don't know of any solutions but the problem is obvious and not an individual issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 09:03 AM
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And some dudes are just not compatible for any reasonable amount of women, due to women's relatively stricter standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 07:39 AM
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Most people are no-pilled. Blue pillers are people who specifically oppose the red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 07:35 AM
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I don't think men care about as many issues as much as the baby daddy one. It'd have to be something extreme like BPD, drug addiction, large debt, an extensive criminal record, being a stripper/prostitute, or having STDs to be worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 07:32 AM
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Outlier examples are the ones clustering on forums like these. It's not average people lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 07:29 AM
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...When the grading is lax that means it's easier to get high grades. I'm referring to the academic demands placed on the kids, not the quality of the education.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 07:26 AM
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You can't both complain about men doing a bad thing but then also about men refusing to risk doing the bad thing. Some men are not suited to approaching and will mess up if they try. In the past these mistakes were forgiven. Now they're shamed. As long as ya'll are shaming men they're gonna try to avoid errors.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 07:23 AM
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Core parts of someone's fundamental character do not change. If a guy hates approaching and whatnot and hates risking annoying women then he's always to dislike gender roles dating, yet he has to pretend he's fine with it to make any progress.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 07:19 AM
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This the real reason Bush invaded, not oil.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:18 AM
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Okay so then how exactly are timid passive men supposed to find partners without pretending to be something else? Women don't seem to be able to answer that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/26 02:13 AM
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A male 2 will still date a female 2. Hypergamy is women requiring the guy be higher quality.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 08:47 PM
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100% serious, that is the reason modern men do not approach. Bring back pre-2010s social standards and men would approach again.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 08:44 PM
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Women's personality standards are often unreasonably strict. Passive men have to pretend to be assertive. Yes "nobody likes them" but that's not on them being bad people, it's on women being uniquely picky (straight men and LGBT have no broad bias against passive partners).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 08:43 PM
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Peoples’ appetites have not changed. I didn't say peoples' appetites changed. I'm saying that it's on them to adjust their eating habits if the food available is less healthy. A healthy society should foster healthy options without forcing the entire population to change their normal behaviors. Yes, society should offer better food, but it's still entirely within your control how much you eat. It is still a direct personal choice. Meanwhile, people have naturally progressed to see and value the …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 08:04 PM
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Is this really true. I was not alive for any time before "modern society" but if old books and movies and old people stories are anything to go off of, schools in the past were much much stricter and more authoritarian and expected much more sit down and shut up, usually under the threat of corporal punishment. Sure, but academic standards have risen over time. Behavioral standards were strict but the expectations for intellect/performance were relatively lax. Boys were held to boy standards. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 07:54 PM
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It's not hypergamy with men, men only want attractive women, he doesn't care if the woman is as attractive as him or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 11:49 AM
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And that way of thinking and that attitude might be why you're undesirable in the first place No, otherwise the individual would've lied from the start and not had the issue where they found out they needed to lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 11:41 AM
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"Myself" is nor someone who approaches women. Now what? The advice is nonsense for some people. Women's personality standards are strict enough that some guys do have to do fake BS to be desirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 11:38 AM
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Nobody wants to have to deal with the other parent.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 11:18 AM
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Guilty until proven innocent is asinine. Do not complain about men making generalizations while conducting yourself like this, it's blatantly hypocritical. or their autism Okay, but having severe autism doesn't make someone a bad person. Please learn the difference. That is a neurological condition.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 10:42 AM
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Are you willing to date every man who's personality isn't terrible? If not, the thread is bullshit, and there are other reasons why women don't date certain men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 10:31 AM
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Idiotic blue pillers aren't "everyone".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 10:29 AM
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I would say most of them do. Your assumption runs counter to studied data. It's based on nothing but poor intuition. I know people who hate themselves and can get dates. I have a cousin who went to an all women’s outgroup patient therapy and they were mostly married. The same does not apply to men. Straight men with no confidence almost never get dates. Dating apps. Below average looking straight men don't reliably get matches on apps. Being lazy is a terrible personality trait. Most women don't…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 10:22 AM
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So to be clear, you believe those specific people are screwed and there's nothing to be done about it. It's possible they could make progress if they took TRP to the extreme and infinitely badgered women without concern for their feelings until one gave them a chance by sheer chance/exhaustion, but that goes well beyond socially acceptable behavior and I don't think people should be blamed for not acting sociopathically. The required effort in this situation defies social norms and consideration…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 10:02 AM
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That's why it's the "monkey brain" not the "cultured intellectual human brain".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 09:45 AM
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The same men who spend hours online bitching and complaining don't even have the same social skills their fathers did. Their fathers weren't taught that approaching women was creepy. Blame modern feminists for this change. That's leading to the death of the species far faster than anything women are doing. Women are literally the cause. If they stopped complaining about men approaching then men would start approaching again.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 09:42 AM
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Women and attractive men don't need confidence or social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 09:36 AM
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In the past, women were forced to settle for men that they weren‘t crazy about because unfortunately, society made them entirely financially reliant on men. I would imagine that in most cases, women didn’t hold a genuine burning desire for the men they married. Today, especially in the West, women have a lot more freedom. Employers are forced to hire women even if they don't want to. That's not natural either. The older I get, the more I feel like women are designed to bring the human race to it…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 09:34 AM
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Whether that's true or not it isn't really material to the discussion, we're not talking about the average Joe in average scenarios. He struggles with dating, but isn't completely locked out, and has experiences. His analogue here is standard fat people. But we're talking about obese people here, and the appropriate parallel to draw there is with virgins, the 25% of young men who haven't had sex in the past year, the 45% of young men who can't find viable opportunities to approach women, etc. Fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 08:59 AM
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This advice will never be followed by the majority of men, so the minority doing it will just get passed over (unfortunately most women are only feminist when it doesn't require risk on their part, and thus won't approach).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 08:46 AM
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No, comparing these two issues is moronic, since one is simplistic while the other is complex. Eating less solves obesity. Eating low carb foods solves obesity. Unless you have a rare medical condition this advice 100% solves obesity for everyone. And anyone can enact this advice. Your advice does not solve loneliness for everyone, because it's exaggerated and because not everyone can sufficiently pull it off. If you go to the gym for 6 months doing a PPLR routine without skipping any days you w…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 08:40 AM
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Probably because that plays no part in how sexually deairable you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 08:21 AM
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Nonsensical. If you're a decent person and try to be nice to people and productive and follow society's instructions no it's not "self-inflicted" when still nobody is attracted to or interested in dating you.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 08:20 AM
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Obesity epidemic is not self-inflicted. In America at least, most accessible food is terrible and over-processed. People with similar behaviors would not expect to get as obese with the grocery stores of 50 years ago. There is straight up nobody forcing the obese to eat so much. Doesn't matter that our food is less healthy now, eat less of it and you still won't be fat, let alone obese. But yeah the male loneliness epidemic is definitely entirely self-inflicted as it is merely a rejection of the…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 08:15 AM
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Gym, eating right, and education all cost money, and if a dude was born poor and autistic he's gonna be ass at making money. Basically if someone started rock bottom in every category the task borders on implausible.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 08:10 AM
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You can also (more likely) be a good person but not sexually desirable to anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 08:06 AM
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That's cool, but others just stay homeless because they're disabled and the state doesn't give adequate support. I have no sympathy for the portion of homeless who refuse shelter support and just beg and waste on substances. But on the other side of the coin are people who could do better but are neglected said opportunities.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 08:02 AM
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You can literally just eat less to not be fat. There are no fatsos in poor areas of those 3rd world countries facing famines. There is no required skill whatsoever. Meanwhile there is no advice that guarantees everyone a partner. That is not under any individual person's direct control.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 07:56 AM
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To be fair half of them also didn't believe Tara Reade.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 07:48 AM
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You seem irritable. Is the fat 40s feminist in the room with us?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 09:18 PM
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Women still date guys who don't reinforce their empowerment, so the reinforcement from other dudes ends up nullified.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 06:09 PM
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So do you think women should draw the conclusion that "holding traditional values doesn't matter, men only desire hot women no matter what"? No, since traditional woman can still get relationships regardless. Some feminist dudes do not get laid at all. That's what's being pointed out. So, be honest and just admit the fact that you want to believe red pill beliefs because they fit your character. Problem is that's just false wholesale, in the broad majority of cases. If TRP fit the dude's natural…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:53 PM
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Because men don't spend time lying about not being shallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:43 PM
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But it’s absurd to think that the average person wouldn’t rate Jeremy Meeks above you in looks I doubt you are any type of model. Obviously, but the point is that dating is supposed to encompass more than looks, and partners are supposed to be treated better than flings. Also this coming from a man is rich. Men will sleep with anything but being attracted to a man with model tier looks even though he committed crimes is where you are drawing the line with women? It's better to be indiscriminate …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:42 PM
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We're not "dating" either. One is a smash and move on (at best) and the other is dismissed. FYI we don't consider "feminist academics" the same way women say they consider "nice guys", we don't even pretend to like the former, so this is literally "woman with entirely negative traits vs. woman with one redeeming trait".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 05:27 PM
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No-go if she was clingy with other guys but isn't clingy with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 01:16 AM
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A lot of dating frustration comes from men using the "Jeremy Meeks" defense: "If he can get away with it, why can't I?" The answer is simple: You aren't him. I don't want to date someone who rates a gang member above me. Most people are "alone" not because of a rigged system, but because they refuse to do the basic maintenance—socially and personally—that everyone else is already doing. Most women don't even approach lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 12:58 AM
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So men need to be angry with bad men… No, women need to start punishing bad men (actual ones who do bad stuff IRL, not shut-in incels on forums or socially awkward guys who come off creepy) like how men punish bad women. Denial of access, marginalization to the bottom rung of society, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 10:05 PM
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Because at the end of the day that means the bad guy got more than the good guy. If anything the good guy should get more, or least the same. The reward structure for men currently incentivizes being the bad guy. Hence, TRP. It's easy for women to be good when the reward structure for women incentivizes them being good. Unfortunately it's not the same for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 09:34 PM
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Pick better isn't about money.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 09:26 PM
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We're never gonna have a president who triggers the libs like Trump again. I wish there was some way to make Bernie president, he still triggers some libs while also triggering the rich cultured types and Israel shills. Tough times ahead, next president is probably gonna be lame as fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 11:15 PM
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Seething with jealousy and envy that men better than him got "the best" is pointless If I date and form enough of a bond with a woman to enter a relationship with her, I consider her the best woman by default. There is no "better". Men are not dropping 5 figures on rings for women they consider suboptimal. If she does not perceive me the same way then we have a problem. it's like being mad people with more money are eating at 5-star restaurants. Well guess what? You have Wendy's money so that's …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 10:40 PM
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If the issue is rooting the players and assholes out, someone here once posted an argument that the more superficially attracted to someone one is the less they'll be able to notice red flags. So technically that issue would theoretically be solved by dating the less attractive. Basically hotties and uggos are equally bad but the uggos have less of a halo effect to fool you with. Theory seems sound enough. 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 10:03 PM
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Ahh so women should not date men they find attractive looks wise? Not if they're players or assholes. Otherwise it's fine. And why do you presume that attractive tall men with money have bad character and short unattractive broke guys have good character? No such claim was posted.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 09:56 PM
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It sends false messages to men that if they don't do X thing women are complaining about they'll be more desirable options.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 09:53 PM
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Men similarly become attracted to people who hurt them No we become attracted to hot and/or flirtatious women. Their bad behavior is overlooked, not specifically favored. We'd have taken an equally attractive/sexual woman who was submissive and obedient, too. Same isn't the case for women picking men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 09:49 PM
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Uggo assholes still do better than uggo doormats.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 09:47 PM
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Obviously? Should've been smarter.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 09:45 PM
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Even in that scenario at least women would stop whining about getting played.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 09:44 PM
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Higher standards for moral character and emotional bond. Not looks, height, money, and whatever other superficial thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 09:42 PM
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It's fine if she made every guy wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 09:39 PM
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Why would they expect to be treated like the hot man at the club if they aren't the hot man at the club? Men do not want to give their best (commitment, loyalty, support) in exchange for a woman's non-best. If she's incapable of treating her boyfriend as well as the hot guy at the club, she's best off never involving herself with the hot guy at the club to begin with. Then parity is maintained. Men constantly bitch at women here about "knowing our league," yet irrationally demand and get pissy a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 09:38 PM
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Then by corollary, you must also argue that women also 100% responsible for any time they pick a good guy. Yes? I don't recall any piller type ever claiming otherwise. If he’s a good guy? Then it’s 100% due to her, and he deserves none of the credit for his good behavior. He deserves personal credit or judgment for his actions. The woman deserves personal credit or judgment for the outcomes of her choices (ex. being treated well or poorly). If women are so responsible for male behavior… then may…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/26 09:31 PM
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I don't care if a woman treats me poorly as long as she hasn't treated other men better. A lot of us guys are easy to satisfy like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 11:31 PM
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Bitter, angry anti female losers are all red pill. No, some are black pill instead, and some are just natural misogynists with no pill. Repeating bullshit doesn't make it any less stupid. Your claims are about as valid as me claiming every dude who bangs a lot of women is red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 04:16 PM
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Are you trying to lie to me and say that the bitter and angry red pill dudes arent red pill? Learn how to read. I said: The reason a failed red piller is mad That is me literally admitting that some red pillers are bitter and angry. What I denied was your lie that bitter dudes are always red pill. That is false, since plenty of bitter dudes are black pill instead. Hard to be red pill? How hard is it to blame others for all your problems? It's hard to adopt socipathic behavior when one isn't fund…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 04:05 PM
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So just like criminals, ex-cons, bullies, psychopaths, and sociopaths, anti-feminists do better in dating. How many different categories do we have to study before the blue pill shuts the fuck up? They can't all be wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 03:55 PM
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If red pill advice works so well why do see a massive amount of the most angry and bitter men in red pill camps. Everyone starts off trying blue pill advice, since the blue pill is default. The ones who fail then try the red pill. If that's also failed then it's no unique indictment of the red pill, since the blue pill also failed the person. The reason a failed red piller is mad though is because 1. such emotions help with aggression and deception, so it's not out of alignment with red pill goa…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 11:08 PM
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People asking for advice on Reddit are generally not part of these environments.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 04:41 AM
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You're missing the point. Red pillers will tell the guy why being nice didn't work. Blue pillers fail to give any further advice after being nice doesn't work.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 04:39 AM
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The guys who need advice already spoke to women without ulterior motives. Their natural personalities are just not desirable to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 04:36 AM
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Work on your personality is actionable advice, but holy fuck have you seen red pillers lose their shit when you suggest that? Their personality advice is often redundant, useless, and irrelevant to sexually attracting women. Red pill tells you to change your personality in ways that actually matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 04:34 AM
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Even the fujoshis are Chad-only now.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 04:23 AM
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It's wild being able to have a type.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 04:20 AM
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But if finances are provided critics could argue that you're basically buying access to her, taking advantage of the differences in wealth that typically arise with age, little different from prostitution or passport bro'ing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 03:13 AM
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Is dating younger women really still exploitative and predatory if it's a woman-led relationship and she decides everything?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 03:07 AM
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Trans lesbians don't have dating easy but likely still not as hard as the lower tier of cis straight males.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 02:59 AM
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To be fair the field remains the same regardless. LVM are not included by the field.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 02:57 AM
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It's disrespectful to the trans community and any potential partners to pretend to be trans when one is cis.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 02:44 AM
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Straight dating is absolute garbage. The LGBT community is blessed. No gender roles. You don't see any loneliness epidemic there.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 02:38 AM
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Being bitter about a bad situation (being unselected) indicates nothing about how the individual would behave if they were literally not in that situation (had a partner).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/26 02:35 AM
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That is most likely the case, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 08:14 PM
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Pussy, hence why it's listed first.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 08:13 PM
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Who someone "dismisses" is irrelevant if none of those people want them either. Some men cannot get any woman at all. Some men have no standards, yet the above remains true.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 08:07 PM
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We're not talking about good people, we're talking about abusers and cheaters, who literally could not do these things if they weren't being chosen. You are being willfully blind to reality just to insult people. Do better.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 08:01 PM
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The guys who get chosen are objectively better people than those who aren't: better disciplined, smarter, more social, better looking, healthier, genetically better, stronger, better character, more educated, etc. "Better disciplined", "smarter" and "better character" are literally statistically false, studies have shown that criminals/ex-cons, bullies, and sociopaths have higher partner counts on average. Also that smart people have lower partner counts than average. Stop lying to punch down on…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 07:55 PM
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Men are not morally superior nor inferior for not being selected. Yes, but harmful behavior is more statistically correlated with the traits that get men selected (assertiveness, competitiveness, dark triad, etc.) than with the traits that get men ignored (shyness, passivity, subservience).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 07:50 PM
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You want people to feel sorry for you for struggling to meet someone (something that is entirely your own fault) A dude is far less "at fault" for being born ugly, short, and autistic than a woman is for choosing a man who happens to be garbage and getting burned. The former had no control over the factors that made him undesirable, the latter could've vetted better. As long as ya'll continue to falsely blame men for their bad luck no you don't deserve sympathy in any context. Respect is not one…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 07:36 PM
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There are plenty of virgin men sympathizing with feminist causes.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 07:31 PM
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OP is referring to unselected men, they're being excluded regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 07:26 PM
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Being straight for men means it's automatically more gross to sleep with any man than the ugliest woman. At the end of the day pussy is pussy and feminine features are feminine features.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 07:19 PM
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Now, if the question was “if asked at gunpoint, would you sleep with a beautiful girl or an ugly guy?” Like if you literally had no other choice, if one is straight, and they so happen to choose the beautiful girl then that would not change their sexuality as at least the beautiful girl would be pleasant to look at. So if you’re not attracted to both, may aswell go with the more pleasant one. Right? Wrong, at gunpoint I'd sleep with a butt ugly woman over a man and the same probably goes for OP …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 07:17 PM
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Criminals have higher partner counts than standard men on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 06:21 AM
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If that was true then that advice is fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 06:18 AM
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The bonus points aren't avoiding trauma and not becoming bitter.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 06:16 AM
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We are using different definitions. I consider baggage to be life inconveniences like annoying exes, alimony, kids, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 06:12 AM
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"Better overall" and "better in specific fields I literally can't do anything about" are two different concepts. A dude can try his best to be a loving supportive partner but he can't get taller or grow a bigger member, might not be as exciting as some ex-con drug dealer dude, can't take her to club VIP or afford frequent vacations/yacht rides, can't easily become an athlete or throw concerts, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 05:38 AM
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The single experience for men is typically significantly worse than the single experience for women, so we tend not to relate on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 05:23 AM
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Many men are not at liberty to pick better, they get what they get and that's that. A lot of guys have never ever had something like a blowjob offered.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 05:20 AM
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A lot of women just lay there regardless. Guys are often happy to get sex at all, the woman doesn't always need to be skilled, especially not at the expense of relationship stability.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 05:17 AM
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Simple, some men value it when women save themselves for the right guy (them). It ensures the woman has less baggage, isn't jaded over broken relationships, isn't spoiled by what other guys had to offer, takes the idea of who she sleeps with seriously, is statistically less likely to break up, etc. Additionally, men who are virgins themselves often want women who are similarly inexperienced so that they can learn together, instead of her already being over any early love butterflies.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 05:15 AM
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If she never used them then that's fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 03:17 AM
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If you ask about her dating app standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 03:10 AM
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Don't date her if she wouldn't have matched with you on a dating app.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 02:50 AM
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unfortunately that’s just the way it is This. I live in the ghetto lol. Maybe if you live in a well-to-do upper-middle class suburb the red pill is less true, but that's just not my accessible reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 10:30 PM
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IPV is only the prevalent form of cross-gender violence, not the only one. Unselected men aren't the most frequent perpetrators of any crime besides mass shootings, and mass shootings are statistically rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 10:25 PM
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Not every dude gets these advantages, plenty of us are never gonna be able to sleep around, and some of us are weak enough to the point where the strength differences are trivial. As a short skinny guy I don't pull thin women, I'd wager a good portion of the women who've shown interest could beat me up lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 10:08 PM
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We don't want sexual attention from other men reardless of the scenario. They can be feeble old men in wheelchairs and we still don't want it. Meanwhile there are likely scenarios where you've wanted sexual attention from men. It's just not the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 10:03 PM
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That's true, they probably aren't very good in bed. Can't debunk a truth with another truth. 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 09:45 PM
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There's this long standing delusion among insecure men that the men who aren't getting dates are good guys. But you're not - you're just guys, across the spectrum when it comes to goodness. Statistically toxic traits and intimate success correlate. Bullies, sociopaths, and ex-cons all get laid more than the average guy. Simple fact is gender roles stipulate that most men need to be assertive in order to get dates, and an assertive guy is more likely to engage in harmful behavior than the shy sen…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 09:42 PM
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Action > rhetoric.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 09:24 PM
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It's hard to determine if the sexual desire is raw if there's romantic desire involved. Guys would prefer the romantic desire comes after sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 09:18 PM
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You lose opportunities for healthy relationships. But it has nothing to do with initial attraction. Abusive relationships wouldn't exist if guys who don't see women as human were getting locked out of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 09:10 PM
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I hate working for things. To each's own.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 09:07 PM
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Regardless of shoulds I'm simply pointing out that as it stands men faced harsher social exclusion than women, so thus their poor natures im this regard are logically explainable, not some unique flaw with men or result of "infantilization". A poor man's desperation isn't because he's a bad guy or "infantilized", it's because he's broke.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 09:01 PM
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I'm actually more referring to compatibility. A challenging person is one who doesn't align with you. Yes, dominant men tend to want submissive women... But submissive men also want dominant women. In either case, the two fit together, and there is no "challenge"; both pairings are fine. Unfortunately, such isn't the case for women. Boss babe women often still don't want doormat men. Instead they want the same confident alpha males that the other women want. "I want an equal partnership~" Said a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 08:34 PM
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The truth is that almost everything is outside of our control, the likelihood of finding a compatible partner and having a healthy relationship is slim, it's nobody's fault, and we all just have to try to keep a healthy perspective. Men are annoyed when they can't find any relationship. Women not being able to find relationships they like is also annoying, but not the same level of burden. Nobody thinks it's awesome that men lack life skills. Women already complain about the relatively few stand…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 08:19 PM
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A smart person will always be able to come up with some version of it thats defendable and would lead to good life outcomes. Not when fully pressed. It's easy to stump them by asking if their advice would work for a socially awkward autistic passive submissive guy who only has solitary interests like video games.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 08:06 PM
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But not relevant to their dating success, so off-topic when that's the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 08:01 PM
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That's literally what the government does with regulations and hiring quotas.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 07:42 PM
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What you're not getting is that accountability comes with ability. Married TRP focuses on responsibility because the men there are literally with women they know and chose to marry. They're in a position of influence and meant to use it properly to preserve their marriages. Single TRP gets off-track because realistically what powers do ugly autistic virgins have in the dating market? The concept of agency requires one having control over their outcomes, different options with branching results. …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 07:34 PM
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Have you considered that the kind of woman whohas a "hoe phase" obviously doesn't considers casual sex to be in any way morally bad and as such wouldn't want to be with any man like that? Unfortunately that doesn't apply to all of them, and men are constantly berated for not wanting to date women with such pasts. Personal anecdote - before I figured out I am not interested in men, reading discussions like this made me plan to lie about my body count to make it higher. I was a virgin and planning…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 07:28 PM
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When it comes to actual relationships, men and women have the same number of options. No. Men are attracted to a wider amount of women than the reverse. Every time a heterosexual woman finds a relationship, a heterosexual man does too. That only applies to legal marriage. In the dating process relationships split fast enough where for example you could have one guy dating 3-6 women in a year while those women only only dated 1-2 men that year. Meanwhile the excess men just dated nobody the whole…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 07:23 PM
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Back when men enforced total patriarchal control the birthrates were fine. They've dipped alongside the increase of feminist influence. You can in fact be blamed for systemic changes that you called for/support, regardless of gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 07:15 PM
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Existing couples would have to increasingly have children to compensate for the increasing amount of perpetual singles and childfree individuals not having children, which is unlikely when a family with only 1 or 2 children may feel like they "already did their part" and already qualifies for all the legal incentives we provide for starting families anyway. Increasing accessibility for LGBT couples helps but can't solve this alone, given their relatively small percentage of the population and th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 07:11 PM
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No, it's good. Life is challenging enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 06:56 PM
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Do you not know women in your life that are good people that you wouldn't date? If I knew such a woman it would be because they're physically unattractive, and I wouldn't falsely claim that they're catches.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 06:54 PM
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OP's whole “proof is in the pudding” list is passive as hell . Women and attractive men get noticed passively. It's just that average and below men do not, which means the standards for them qualify as "catches" differ. Basically, due to their disadvantage, on top of everything else they have to be competently assertive as well to be a "catch". Passive normie men being called "catches" by their friends is overlooking the additional requirements normie men face.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 06:41 PM
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We hate "challenging women" over in these parts. Men vary.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 06:23 PM
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I respect doormat women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/26 06:22 PM
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Agreeable men are usually the “soy boys” the redpill mocks and are very liked by women. They're literally mocked for not getting laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 09:11 PM
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Funny how nobody says that to women who refuse to be assertive in dating contexts. And to a similar extent, guys complaining about women being treated better, but not want to do the work to be agreeable like woman do. Agreeable men are treated terribly.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 09:07 PM
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It's much easier to fìnd a man who no women want than to find a woman who no men want.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 08:59 PM
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Socially awkward broke men still pass the test.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 08:54 PM
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Why do ya'll always assume that? Those women would generally rather stay single or have situationships with better men than date their male equals.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 08:49 PM
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Nobody is going to complain to you about people they don't notice or remember. Like he said: Women are not attracted to them but also don’t have anything against them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 07:57 PM
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Ugly bully still gets more women than ugly doormat.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 07:46 PM
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Problem is the guys not doing it get zero moral credit for not doing it and are baselessly assumed to be just as bad as (or worse, even) than the guys who do.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 07:45 PM
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It's irrelevant. The men who don't do that stuff don't get sympathy either. Look at the response anyone tries to bring up a nice guy being overlooked in dating. They just accuse him not really being one and being manipulative having an entitled transactional view of socializing. If you bring up shy guys who couldn't hurt a fly being overlooked in dating they're called lazy and cowardly and told they need to man up. There is no group of men people willing to sympathize with on this subject, it do…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 07:31 PM
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You need to accept reality to work with it Not everyone can work with it. Those men are more incentivized to bitch. Women bitched back when reality wasn't workable for them, too. then what's red pill? I thought it was about truth something something? It's just the truth. How one chooses to react is a personal choice, and beyond the scope of the theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 07:27 PM
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Body count is a meaningless metric unless we can agree on a definition. The people who actually care about body count are generally going to count all sexual activity.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 07:16 PM
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If people weren't out doing it then others wouldn't expect to do it. We didn't have this problem back in the no sex before marriage days.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 07:12 PM
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Problem is in modern society women are free to embrace whatever aspect of masculinity at will. Forbidding certain aspects of femininity from men is unequal and doesn't align with feminist anti-gender role narratives.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 07:10 PM
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Red pill is just about understanding reality, has nothing to do with accepting it. You accept reality because it benefits you. If a current reality doesn't favor a certain individual in any way then they have no incentive to accept it. Look at politics, Trump and others didn't get where they are by endorsing reality, they got there by lying and bullshitting. If demanding change has a higher probability of getting a specific person ahead/lower probability of pushing them back then that's their ap…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/26 07:06 PM
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That's not particularly relevant. I'm only comparing the levels of disingenuousness, not claiming they're the same people.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 10:29 PM
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Men don’t have to tell us they want the girl that is pretty We do so regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 10:28 PM
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In order to clear this up people need to stop accusing every man who can't get laid of being toxic and non-nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 10:27 PM
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People don't even care about non-red pill men's inability to do those things though.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 10:21 PM
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Thing is one factor is under one's control while the other is not. An unattractive slut has barely anyone who wants a serious relationship with them whatsoever. So an unattractive woman is better off not going down that route.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 10:20 PM
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Purple pillers are often just embarrassed blue pillers, like how centrists are often just embarrassed conservatives. They get way more hostile towards red pillers than to blue pillers.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 10:15 PM
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Blue/purple pillers always insult or downvote me before I do any such thing to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 10:13 PM
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Red pill debatably only exists as a result of feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/26 02:49 AM
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Nah, I think most of you are afraid that more women will date other women. Bad misread of male mentality. We'd much prefer they date other women than what they're currently doing (dating other men). But none of us view that as a plausible possibility, since we think from a male perspective where sexuality is not elastic.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 05:05 AM
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A lot of Redditcels do too. I'm not only referring to shut-ins. 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 03:01 PM
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being autistic, but I'm tall These nullify eachother. You're basically just an average guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 02:40 PM
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I know many short men or poor men who are crazy successful, with no special status That's not the point. He's saying that the women who bang dudes like Tate still need to stop in order for this point not to persist. Because as long as Tate gets laid while some morally decent guys don't the perception of superficialities outprioritizing character remains. The fact that some short or poor men gets dates means nothing, either all morally decent guys would need to get laid or all scumbag guys would …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 02:38 PM
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Except some of Tate's abuse allegations are literally from women he was involved with. If you're accusing the dude of abuse at that point you wouldn't still be helping him lie about getting women, clearly it actually happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 02:34 PM
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Everyone knows these dudes are liars, but the chances that they're as bad off as Redditcels are still basically 0.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 02:29 PM
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Idolizing man whores makes no sense because it's fairly easy for men to get sex with women if they aim for women that are unnattractive or addicted to drugs or alcohol. It's never easy for mediocre looking men with no seductive skills to get sex with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 12:46 PM
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If women don't want to be pump and dumped then they can just date other women. But nobody gives that goofy ass advice, since we respect that most women are straight. Why can't the same courtesy be extended in reverse?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 11:10 AM
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The whole point of sexbots is for use by single men with no real prospects, other people finding the bot is unlikely or doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 11:44 PM
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We're not really united if you don't include everyone. 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 02:51 PM
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I turned on my TV because the neighbors are too loud and the default channel is NBC.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 02:50 PM
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Probably not, RIP your dating life. The only loophole I've seen is going for nice guys that attract you via superficial traits like status/etc. instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 02:44 PM
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The Today Show playing some sappy interview with Clinton, Bush, Obama, and Biden about the good old days of centrism and national unity. Why didn't they invite TRUMP??? 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 02:42 PM
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The point is plenty of guys are like me, hence why people used to be expected to remain virgins until marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 08:55 PM
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Most people learn social skills when they're young and get a pass. People are very averse to grown men with bad social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 08:51 PM
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That is illegal in many areas. If guys were willing to break the law there are a lot of things they could do, something key to "struggling guys" is that they're law-abiding.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 08:41 PM
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Then they can shut up and give up on casual sex. If guys never have casual sex then they generally want women who also never had it. If that's also impossible then we're in a situation where both requirements (either I get to have casual sex at least once or my partner never bothered with it either) are being missed.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 08:37 PM
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There are a lot of guys with a bunch of friends who still do not get laid ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 08:33 PM
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The argument is that women are relatively similar and less varied than men, and are mostly into the same things, and therefore there is no "type" for a lot of guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 08:30 PM
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for some other men its the opposite and they peak in highschool/ college. Sure but if the guy's on the forums where these discussions happen chances are he got nowhere in HS or even college.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 06:31 AM
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Literally me except for the house, obesity, and young GF.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 06:27 AM
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It's sexist to criticize passive men if you don't also criticize passive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 06:26 AM
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There's no proof it's a double standard, personally I don't like high-n men either. It's the same across both genders for some of us. 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 06:24 AM
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But there's no proof the dude wants to.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 06:23 AM
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If it was only irrelevant men slut-shaming then nobody would care.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 06:22 AM
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No there's a scenario where she would: He was a virgin while she had a hoe phase. An empathy-maxxed woman would understand the likelihood of that eating away at him. And a few such women have offered their BFs one-sided open relationships to fix it (though funnily enough, their BFs often refuse; even though the situation sucks they still can't bring themselves to sleep with other women).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 04:50 AM
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Yeah well I guess this is just a common gender difference, when men complain we always want solution, the simpler and more extreme the better. Women must have different intents behind complaining, so there's going to be constant miscommunication over this and it doesn't make either party bad. When we answer we're trying to immediately solve the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 03:56 AM
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Incels are complaining because nothing works; there's no claim of success on their end. Black pillers need to looksmax, which is expensive and takes time. Red pillers have to learn a whole different personality from their original one, which is hard and takes time. The tactics would theoretically work if they succeed. Simping just doesn't actually work.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 01:44 AM
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In what way does being a PickMe not work? Every PickMe I've seen gets a lot of attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 01:40 AM
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Are most men “successful” then? Depends on how you define success.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 01:36 AM
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His future partner is at fault for dating a man she doesn't consider "fun" at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 01:18 AM
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Which is obviously a lie. No it's a fact. I'd wait until marriage for a virgin. I'm leaving if a woman I know hooked up doesn't put out in a week tops.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 01:16 AM
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If the "right answer" is just the status quo of nothing happening, what's the point?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 01:14 AM
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If the guy asks less generalized, more precise questions he'll get the most bullshit virtue signalled answers known to man. If he asks how to get women to be sexually attracted to him, he'll be told to stop being superficial, stop looking for manipulation tips, stop objectifying women, and start treating them like people. No answer given, just shame for asking at all. If he asks how to get casual sex, he'll be called a gross creep. Many women do not like specifying things in the sexual field. Be…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 01:11 AM
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That woman outright admitted that she left the group after like a year because her dating life picked up. It wasn't a permanent issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 12:57 AM
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Men complaining about women not approaching is just men being lazy No? Plenty of women complain about and creepshame men for approaching, but still don't approach instead and only date men who approach them. Complaining about that blatant hypocrisy is perfectly valid.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 12:54 AM
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The default should be non-predatory, non-self serving, that’s what this commenter is expressing. Problem is we run out of actionable solutions once we take "let's see if we're compatible to date" off the table. FYI, “I’m really sorry to hear that you’re lonely, I hope you have a good support system and group of friends to ease the burden” is what a non-predatory response would be. That would be hollow AF in this case since these people rarely have good social support systems.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 12:42 AM
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OP explictly said: And no, ​I do not think this only means these men want to take advantage of her and use her for sex - there are always men like that but the lack of aversion here in and of itself does not mean​ that. I myself ​would be down with ​being with a shy girl​ theoretically, and I don't want to hurt or manipulate anyone. Making it all about sex is a false narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/26 12:38 AM
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I don't think offering companionship is predatory to begin with, and I think many agree, so yeah we're going to need help finding the issue here. If you're saying X is bad, you need to specify Y. Explain what should be done instead or stop making a fuss.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 11:51 PM
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women were the OG incels after all. The one who created the term was LGBT though, and that was back in the early 2000s when there were no big dating apps. It's understandable that she'd struggle. Even then, she herself said her dating life picked up and she left the movement after like a year. Situations change. Dating apps allow most people to find willing options now... Just not low value straight men. Guys in the incel space stay there for years now, perhaps indefinitely. They don't just sudd…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 11:48 PM
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Men evaulate women individually. "Nobody else" wanting her is irrelevant. If I like a woman, I'd prefer if I didn't have to compete with other guys to get with her; it's a bonus if nobody else likes her.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 11:00 PM
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There are men with no options at all anywhere, online or offline.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 10:58 PM
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He's asking what the non-predatory alternative is.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 10:47 PM
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If offering direct personal support is predatory, what alternative non-predatory response would solve the problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 10:44 PM
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I had to add the 2nd point because I didn't want other women spamming me with, "but I dated ugly/short guys and they all sucked too!" In that case I think those guys were probably selected from the 2nd group instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 05:45 PM
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That be true in your case. But it's just not the lived reality for most men. Out in the world the dudes not getting laid will generally be the timid sensitive ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 05:43 PM
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He doesn't have to be fine with it. Not getting the option to reject it himself is still problematic. I don't vote, but I would still be pretty mad if I wasn't allowed to vote, and doubly so if my partner supported the laws saying I couldn't vote. Anyone who supports me as a person should support me having the option, even if I don't care to make use of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 05:12 PM
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Then everything's fine and she's a great girlfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 05:09 PM
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Whether he wanted to hookup or not is irrelevant in this case. If he wanted to hookup but couldn't then that's an individual L. But his own girlfriend also not allowing him to do something she did with others is an additional relationship L, independent of whether he actually wanted to do it (if she was open to it and he declined, then that's fine).
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 05:07 PM
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Your girlfriend having participated in something you weren't allowed to, then also not allowing you to (since in this case she didn't hookup with you/express openness to hookup with you either), is an L regardless of whether or not you wanted to do the thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 05:06 PM
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Then why are women largely saying relationship sex is better than hookup sex? Clearly a lot of the guys hooking up don't care lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 03:02 PM
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I mean it's mostly women prioritizing the quality of the experience. Guys are mostly just happy it happened at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 02:51 PM
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If you were locked out of hookup culture but your girlfriend participated that's an L.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 02:21 PM
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It's not about the experience, mostly women care about the experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 02:21 PM
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Incels no, the unselected men usually just died somehow via wars/crimes/workplace hazards, or got arrested/were enslaved/became devout religious adherents before ever reproducing. Actual living free socially incorporated men going perpetually sexless en masse is an anomaly.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 10:41 AM
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People like that are stupid as fuck if they don’t think all that bullshit won’t taint the world’s perception of what an “incel” represents. And they’re even more stupid if they didn’t think that it would come back to haunt them in the form of stereotypes and people making negative assumptions about them. They don't care and believe it proves their point. Nobody stereotypes tall hot guys when they do bad things, it's always the individual at fault, but undesirable virgin types get slandered en ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 10:16 AM
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I think part of the issue there is that attractive men have more room to get away with being soft and gentle. The attraction's already built on their looks, so they don't have to be macho. An ugly short guy who isn't also a loud dog is basically invisible.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 10:11 AM
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The idea that some guys are good looking, confident, fun, AND genuinely good people breaks their brains because it isn't "fair" and at the end of the day, most of their grievances are about what's "fair." No it's just that those dudes are irrelevent in most cases. The average woman complaining about being pumped and pumped on Reddit cannot pull a hot fun good guy, those are top tier men with a large range of women to choose from. In reverse when we bitch about women here we're not necessarily sa…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 10:02 AM
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Like, have you considered a lot of good looking guys are actually really good guys? And they are mostly dating good hot girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 09:58 AM
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Yeah every time I tell my mom a hot woman may be into me she suspects it could be a set-up/they're a prostitute/they're trans lol. But all of a sudden hot people are totally trustworthy and no victim can ever be blamed for getting burned, if said victim is a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 09:51 AM
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There is nothing that prevents a woman from engaging in better vetting and filtering from the group of men she feels strongly attracted to. I have yet to hear or read a logically coherent, logically consistent reason why the answer from men is always "choose less attractive men" and never "vet the men you find hot" or "take things slowly with the men you find hot." Because of two tiny issues: If the only guys you're strongly attracted to are all hot, then you probably don't have the leverage to …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 09:44 AM
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They mean it in a "If only you would give guys like me a chance" kind of way, but then in the next breath will say that he wants women to have primal early sex with him There's no contradiction. I would never just ghost a woman who had instant sex with me. It's the most reliable identifier of attraction. That would easily secure months of my time and a genuine attempt at a relationship. (so he's exactly the kind of man that women should avoid according to this post) Um, no? Nothing requires a ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 09:32 AM
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Or pick the “he’s not bad looking but maybe you guys have a lot of common beliefs/values that line up and over time that raw attraction will build” Problem is that rarely actually happens. A man can grow affection for a woman he initially only wanted to bang, but a woman growing lust for a guy who didn't spark it in the first week/month of chatting or so is much less likely. Now pick better implies there’s something wrong, but in this context it means she needs to stop picking men she’s has a vi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 09:25 AM
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It's great advice for the men it applies to, but it's often misapplied on forums like this where the dudes rarely have the available options to "choose" at all and simply get what they get.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 09:17 AM
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Personally I genuinely do give a shit about other peoples' problems, and I try my best not to cause any, and to apologize if I even might have. But said consideration ends once the individual gets accusatory towards me personally despite my total innocence and zero culpability in the issue at hand. Too many folks on the forums throw random harmless dudes into the same box as harassers, abusers, and criminals simply because the individual said something they didn't like on the internet. So I don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 09:11 AM
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When women talk about fearing men in dating contexts, many men hear: “You think all men are monsters.” Or they respond with: “Men are murdered more than women.” As if those two facts cancel each other out. They do not. It's a response to the dumb statement, "Men don't have to worry outside at night." Yes they fucking do they are literally the main people bad stuff happens to. And yes, "Men are murdered more often than women." absolutely cancels out that dumbass statement. Men are far more likely…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/26 08:55 AM
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Guys like Chris Brown have no issues with women (besides being called police on or publicly trashed as abusers or whatnot), because they’re famous, not because they’re abusive. Chris Brown would have no issues getting women even if he wasn't famous or rich. Celebrities become celebrities because of marketable traits they already had beforehand. It also will scare off most women who can be stable and reliable partners long-term. Threads like this would not exist if those women were available to e…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 12:42 PM
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Any woman can find some sort of man to date, though. Men here are pointing out some bad men getting dates while some not-bad men don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 12:35 PM
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Work sucks dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 09:44 AM
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If women don't clean, cook, or be chaste, then they shouldn't expect men to always approach, pay for dates, escalate sexually, etc. either.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 09:43 AM
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Right now men say they want to be chad and fuck as many women as they can… without payment and they don’t care about the risk. A ton of promiscuous women still aren't sex workers. These are simply different types of lifestyles.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 09:37 AM
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Men would be absolutely "ran through" if they were women, they would sell pussy, get sugar daddies, and do pornography 100000% and they wouldn't feel the slightest shred of guilt. Alpha males probably would but there is nothing suggesting beta males would, their personality traits do not correlate with extroversion, risky behavior, or brazen sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 09:34 AM
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She'll retire from that line of work eventually, and then it will become her "past", and modern women despise men taking someone's past into account.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 01:46 AM
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Surely allowing himself to be cucked 583 times compensated the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 01:38 AM
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Women are still culpable since they shame the good men for not wanting to date women like that one. We can't have a society where frivolous sex makes men degenerate, yet men are not allowed to shun women for having frivolous sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 01:36 AM
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You will see them prioritize themselves over dead war conscripts, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 01:34 AM
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I am an ugly guy and never understood this either why ugly men think they have any chance with attractive women. Problem: Most women consider themselves attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 09:14 PM
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People suggest dating ugly chicks but they're often worse than their better looking equivalents. The monkey-branching and cheating is shameless. While a hot woman is close enough in value to Chad that she can hold her own against him, an ugly chick is so far below Chad that he can basically mind control her. And many ugly chicks will consciously manipulate any beta males sad enough to fall for them, since they'll look absolutely anywhere for an ego boost. Ugly chicks are the ones you see on FDS …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 09:08 PM
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If you never got to be promiscuous but all your dating options were it makes you feel like an absolute chump.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 10:03 PM
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The original poster is referring to the men who cannot easily attract women. Bring up other men is pointless.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 10:02 PM
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Both sexes have some severe biological issues but it comes off as if more men try to overcome their innate flaws than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 05:09 AM
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Desirable men don't need a paint-by-numbers strategy to have sex with desirable women, that's kind of how that whole thing works That's life, if someone was just inherently sufficiently desirable they wouldn't need to bother with pills to begin with. Undesirable men feeling entitled to desirable women is just hypergamy. No, since in this context on-paper the traits are equal. Low-N childless men wanting low-N childless women. In general still no, since men's desire for hot women has nothing to d…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 08:48 AM
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People kept arguing against them not wanting to date those women so they posted statistic threads explaining why they didn't want to. It became too numerous for the subreddit but wouldn't have happened if people would just stop criticizing the standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 08:11 AM
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Some men are sufficiently autistic that they will never develop those skills no matter what.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 07:51 AM
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All men say in those threads is that they don't want to date those women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 07:50 AM
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Because he committed to her and not those other women. Women value that type of thing. Men do not.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 07:35 AM
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They don't voluntarily sign up for a lifetime of unenjoyable sex for a man's 50k, or this sub wouldn't exist. TRP is about getting laid with desirable women, not beta buxxing undesirable women. That is not a win condition and in fact something manosphere men want to avoid. If women truly lowered our standards in our 30's, then almost any man could find a partner if he goes after this demo The stats say there are almost no male virgins after 30. Despite there being a ton in their 20s. Someone set…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 07:26 AM
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It's just offensive when a woman has sex while single but then specifically wants you to enter a relationship before having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 07:22 AM
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I used to think sex bots will be great for men and they will for some men,but most will still preffer the real thing and men need the ego boost they get from being with an actual woman. If it's not on the table then it's not on the table. Doesn't matter what guys want. Some men absolutely refuse to pay coupled with all the shame men get for seeing escorts and prostitutes,many men will be reluctant to use various sex bot and if they do it will be in secret. Completely different, escorts are gross…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 05:47 AM
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You can condition the public into having lower or higher standards. Prior social environments induced lower standards, the current induces higher standards. But yes you cannot switch which traits people find more attractive than others, generally.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 05:01 AM
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Similarly, you ocassionaly see men respond to stories about women sexually assaulting men/boys with some form of "I wish that were me"; their thinking on the situation extends no farther than "hot woman sexy time", without considering what actually being assaulted against your will entails. Men are being completely honest on this front, I've been creeped on by women and very much value it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 04:58 AM
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When a woman thinks of a man being vulnerable she thinks of a vulnerable Chad. When an average man is vulnerable it's a strike against his masculinity, and unlike Chad he's not good looking enough to get away with that. Same goes for other soft traits women supposedly want from men like sensitivity, attentiveness, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 04:53 AM
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Just the general lack of care and overt simplistic ideals that you claim are built on philosophy when really it’s just laziness It's not laziness if you have no interest in the end result. This is like calling me lazy for not wanting to climb Mount Everest. In reality that's a whole lot of work for what to me is an unremarkable result.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 02:02 AM
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With that out of the way, the underlying sentiment I get from the comments and attitudes I've observed is that men are that men would be perfectly content to sleep on an air mattress in a studio apartment, eating ramen, playing video games, and jerking off to porn if it weren't for the desire to have a partner/sex (and for many, kids/"legacy"). Yeah. Men do not have an innate drive to seek higher standards of living and social status like women do. Those are merely means to the end of finding pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 01:46 AM
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Joe Schmo: "That woman over there looks average but only likes tall buff charming guys, isn't that unreasonable?" Blue piller: "No. Those are just her preferences. If no guys meet them she will just stay single." Joe Schmo: "Okay, that's fair. I guess I only want young attractive women." Blue piller: "YOU ENTITLED DELUSIONAL FUCK!!!"
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 01:29 AM
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5 not wanting to date any other 5. (obviously you will not be attracted to every 5, but there's a difference between just not liking some of them, and refusing to date anyone in your tier of looks at all) Common examples: Fat chick ONLY wanting non-fat guys (sometimes only fit guys). Short mid chick ONLY wanting tall guys. Single parent not wanting to date other single parents. You can have whatever standards you want, but the lopsidedness of some is useful information regarding why there are lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 01:23 AM
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I firmly believe that without the patriarchal shaming, men become lazy. No, men become lazy when there is no satifactory reward for passionate work. You can shame all you want, if you provide no incentive for change then adherence will not be gained. It's only a matter of time before women start dominating every single prestigious career field, just like they're dominating education. That they're dominating education yet still barely dent STEM implies they simply can't. At the high end men are u…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 01:18 AM
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What "metrics," and why do these officially and completely and objectively determine the entirety of "reasonable?" Relationships are supposed to be equal partnerships. So logically the partners should be similar in quality (looks, personality, etc.). Granted the chaotic nature of preferences means that will often not be, but there were times when people were more likely to date an on-paper equal than they are now. Every single man who argues that women need to change/alter or condition ourselves…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 01:11 AM
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Reasonable is simply, "would date someone about equivalent to yourself in metrics relevant to dating." Anyway the only things bad about conversion therapy are that it doesn't work and that weird conservatives force it on people.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 12:40 AM
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Alpha males want to pump and dump (regardless of looks), beta males want monogamy and love (regardless of looks). The gay dating issue is beta gay guys refusing to date eachother. Like how women refuse to date certain types of nice guys. And likewise us straight guys can't sympathize since we'd be fine dating twink ass dudes if we were attracted to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 12:03 AM
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The suggestions are for society to condition people; obviously individuals can't do it, humans are social animals and dating is social; big changes run through the group, not the individual. If society could mass condition LVM into only liking other men than'd be great. But it doesn't seem possible, unlike conditioning reasonable standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 11:56 PM
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No, becoming a woman is weird and potentially horrifying if you weren't simply born that way. Not the same thing as just, "I'm attracted to men now."
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 11:51 PM
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That there are gay men who don't cheat disproves your 100%.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 11:42 PM
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There's a difference between a goal almost nobody achieves and a goal expected to be achieved as a standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 11:40 PM
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Nah it's just because: If you still do fine in straight dating, turning gay is reducing your dating pool and freedom to do PDA without hassle for not much benefit. The concept of being gay is weird to straight people. Being straight would also be weird to gay people if not for heteronormative social conditioning.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 11:37 PM
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Yeah. Straight while male is the worst orientation.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 11:33 PM
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I actually don't think there can be too much empathy. The problem is that it is not reciprocated, even for the most harmless vulnerable feminist beta male.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 07:51 AM
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Nobody said it happens all or even most of the time, just that it is a thing that can happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 07:41 AM
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Problem is men are expected to date these women after they "mature" and settle down anyway, so at that point he'd have preferred to date her when she was hotter and less jaded instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 07:36 AM
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Some guys are passive by nature and do not approach. He may not have even had anything to say to that woman. Sucks that he was weird about it but that often happens when people are lonely and desperate.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 10:18 PM
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I'm fine with any standards, I just think distinctions should be made between ones based on personality/choices and ones that are purely superficial. As far as male balding goes the options for hiding it aren't as accessible as women's, but yes there is at least theoretically something that can be done.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 07:20 AM
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Women skip over you when you're young (partly for older guys), but then when you're older you still can't date young women since it's creepy now. Insanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 05:40 AM
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Like the guys who get the most women are often rich or charismatic and not necessarily the most attractive. But I feel like men don't really care as much about a woman being rich or high status or if she has a good personality. Perhaps but a man who is neither of those is punished much more harshly for his looks than a similar looking woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 05:34 AM
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There are a lot of men who complain that women don't want to date short men, but they wouldn't date old, fat, or bald women for example, Old women had the choice of marriage in their youth, fatness is a choice (eat less), and there are plenty of options for women to hide baldness (so also a choice).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 05:32 AM
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Wasting money is the opposite of smart.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 09:43 PM
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How is the average broke weak friendless bullied loser in the manosphere comparable to a rich kid? He's bottom of the barrel in every field of life. For the "rich kid" argument to work in this context someone would have to be able to point out what generic manosphere guy actually has better than the average woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 09:40 PM
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Well at the very least if we expose that people don't feel sorry for men, it will free men from being obligated to feel sorry for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 09:09 PM
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Problem is the smart guy ends up dumb if he pays but doesn't get chosen anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 09:06 PM
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If the reality is impossible to navigate then the only remaining action is to try to promote a shift.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 09:05 PM
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Maybe not, but most women would be in that position if they were turned into men but kept the same personalities they had as women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 09:03 PM
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I think you’re expecting women to just voluntarily give up advantages that they have for some vague notion of fairness and yet… would you? Men have given up many advantages over the years and many modern males checked their privilege and support feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 09:01 PM
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Women select for personality traits that correlate with shallowness and just wanting sex. There are plenty of timid beta males who want loving relationships, you're just not attracted to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 08:58 PM
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Unless all women are virgins, they found a guy they liked eventually. A straight male will never like men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 08:56 PM
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The analogy is comparing the absurdity of the arguments, not the severity of the situations they refer to.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 08:53 PM
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It's been long established that there's no point in being a good guy. Just gets you taken advantage of for nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 07:42 AM
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The majority of men either voted Trump or stayed home, indicating that they don't care about the abortion thing or don't care enough to vote based on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 07:15 AM
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Women are ableist in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 05:33 AM
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People who made stupid decisions can date other people who made stupid decisions. Others shouldn't get dragged down.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 05:25 AM
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It is still useful to the public interest to expose garbage. The context is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 05:10 AM
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yet another instance of a man confusing desire and his willingness to fuck a woman to love. Baseless nonsense. I am referring to any type of infatuation. it's because men are more likely to just pump and dump even if they're average, they just want sex THAT badly. For some men it does not matter if they're seeking marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 05:04 AM
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I don't think there's any clean way to determine that. Women's lax attitude to dating could potentially be a result of an abundance mentality; they know that whenever they do bother to date, they can get right back into the game easily. Men largely don't have this comfort, so their desperation could be a matter of circumstance rather than nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 04:17 AM
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Theory and effective reality are two different concepts though. More sexual freedom (ex. via legal abortion) = bigger focus on casual sex = less men get laid in total (since less men qualify for casual than for relationships). Less sexual freedom (ex. via banned abortion) = bigger focus on safe relationships = more men get laid in total (since more men qualify for relationships than for casual). The only increase in access in the pro-choice world is attractive men getting laid even more often th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 04:13 AM
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Most people do care about getting access to abortions. They clearly don't, what with all the conservatives winning elections while literally opposing abortion. Most men just don't give a shit in either direction. Bigger priorities.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 04:00 AM
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OP. You have a post saying that if a woman has slept with someone on the first date before, you will only consider committing to her if she sleeps with you on the first date as well. Sounds incredibly based. This kind of comment is why women don’t care if men can’t get sex. Men not wanting to be treated as inferior to past partners by their literal girlfriends is why women don't care? Whatever then. So tell me why we shouldn’t be stingy with sex and extremely careful and fearful about who we sle…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 03:56 AM
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Don't care, will never care.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 03:53 AM
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Men here mock women over complaining that “there aren’t any good men” or struggling to find a good husband at 35. Those women had options. They are being compared to people who didn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 03:50 AM
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People vote based on what's important to them specifically. Abortion is not relevant to every man. There's no "shooting of the foot" since they don't get better outcomes whether they support abortion or not or it's more legal or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 03:36 AM
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Thing is women wouldn't care anyway. Plenty of liberal feminist males aren't getting laid either.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 03:29 AM
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It's entirely rational to fight for better personal outcomes. What's not rational is putting in to that which doesn't give back.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 03:26 AM
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That's life. I used to support abortion access... But then I realized it was irrelevant to me, and I should focus on my own problems rather than things that are irrelevant to me. I'm not against abortion now, but I very thoroughly do not care and will not base a vote on the issue (in the same way one would not base a vote on the male loneliness epidemic). The liberals here in the US badly misread the public in thinking they could motivate the average man to vote merely over Roe being overturned.…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 03:23 AM
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If they have average appearances (not ugly, not short, etc.) then they're probably neurodivergent and that can't really be fixed either.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 03:16 AM
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Enforced singlehood is more offensive to men than women since women are less willing to make sacrifices to end their singleness. If a woman is single she still has the pride of not being willing to date a subpar man or become some dude's sextoy to get his attention. But a man can have no standards and be willing to obediently worship any woman who accepts him, and STILL have no options. He can give himself in his entirety and have no takers. It's unique from anything women can experience, and tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 03:11 AM
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The blackpill was created by chads, or men, to make other men become jaded and get out of the dating scene so that there is less competition for them. But the guys weren't competition in the first place...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 02:56 AM
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Depends. If they literally all just behave the way the currently promiscuous women do (only sleeping with Chads and alpha males) then that would be pure suffering for mid men and below. If the newly promiscuous women weren't selective then yes that would benefit men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 11:58 PM
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It's possible one gender is just worse than the other. Not saying which is which, but it is possible. I don't think 5 average men should be expected to compete for 1 average girl. I think it's fair to say the genders are objectively worse than eachother in different ways. For example look at crime rates, no way such a large disparity is just a law enforcement bias/coincidence, men are just worse than women in that regard.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 11:54 PM
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We need him back, he is based but not in the toxic bitter alienating way I and others are.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 11:50 PM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 11:49 PM
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The statement simply means that an unattractive person can't bypass their unattractiveness by being nice or spending money. That the only way forward is for them to actually just become attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 06:44 PM
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The black pill is an incomplete ideology and therefore can't explain every scenario, similar to the blue pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 06:41 PM
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That’s no different than believing a certain racial group is the source of many of your problems, and being racist towards that race. The average differences between different races of people are poorly defined. The average differences between men and women are very well defined. Like for example across any culture you examine men rape far often than women. Most men do not rape, but nevertheless rape is very male-coded.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 06:31 PM
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Chads bang mids dude. Stacies want relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 01:12 AM
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What empowerment are men in general even getting? Male privileges always seems reserved for select men, like rich guys and hot guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 01:10 AM
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Honesty. 🫡
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 01:06 AM
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People used OP crashing out at the end as an excuse to dismiss the whole prior valid point.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 01:05 AM
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Why do you guys constantly ignore all the polite timid submissive guys who don't get laid? They didn't do anything bad or shitty. Yet they still don't get laid. Blue pill and faux red pill are insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 10:57 AM
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Why should anyone even give a fuck about an orgasm gap? You're not entitled to an orgasm.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 10:52 AM
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its because of their shitty personality The fact that people repeat this lie so much makes it easy to believe they're also lying about what makes sex good. Ya'll create paranoia then complain about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 10:49 AM
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People are more attracted to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 10:47 AM
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If you don't offer to pay half on the first date I wouldn't allow payment on the second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, etc. either. Once you've established yourself as financially submissive you don't get to renege. It's not gonna be an egalitarian relationship since you didn't present yourself that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 10:02 AM
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Some people view "red flags" as bad things the person has done, or negative personality traits, and don't agree with your takes beyond that. A man who claims that he was falsely accused of rape - What if it really was false? A man who frequents prostitutes - He could have a high sex drive and not enough access to normal intimacy. How is this bad? Can we similarly judge people who have a bunch of shallow casual sex? Only difference is the latter is hot enough to not have to pay... Men who are in …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 09:56 AM
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There is no woman who's filtered out completely, so they're not gonna have the same bitterness as the guys who OP is referring to.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 09:42 AM
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I'm just messing around but thanks bro. 👏
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 09:20 AM
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No that's still AF/BB, if they dated her when she was younger that makes them more alpha than me. She needs to have a PPD LVM's dating history to get away with being 40.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 04:51 AM
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Pretty much this, an experience differential is the main problem, obviously some guy who lived a standard dating life up to age 30 hitting up some college freshman is gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 04:26 AM
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What if the 30 year old also lives with their parents lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 04:24 AM
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So if the guy never got to hookup in his youth it's too late and he missed the boat. Yet he's supposed to settle down with some woman who probably did hookup, and just deal with that constant reminder of what he missed out on? Wild.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 04:21 AM
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A lot of guys do, if they got to date younger women back when they were young too then they'd probably be over it by now.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 04:16 AM
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Depends on her history. It can't be an AF/BB thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 04:15 AM
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Yeah well K-pop guys have pretty boy genetics, most guys don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 04:14 AM
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Problem is a lot of guys were considered gross and unwanted by the vast majority of women before the aging parts, so do they just never date?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 04:12 AM
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The complaint is that women selectively like bad boys and criminals, while completely leaving out shy nice guys. Meanwhile men collectively accept all women, which just includes the bad ones too. Nothing for women to be jealous about there. Anyway, you told men to help against female sexual predators, so I considered a solution. 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 04:05 AM
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Matters of fact aren't beliefs. If a guy is being abusive yet still getting laid then he's clearly an alpha. What you're not getting is that being alpha is not the same thing as being good. Being alpha is simply being desirable to women. If I think women on average are fucking stupid in dating then me calling a guy an alpha is not a compliment.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 04:02 AM
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Don't pay for any women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 03:59 AM
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So how do us legal age men get with all these predatory female teachers who keep popping up in the news lately? We would be doing a brave service by protecting minors from them. Surely there is some way for a barely-life-experienced-anyway legal man to appeal to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 03:58 AM
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not getting laid is a personal issue these guys need to work on, no one can help with that. Many guys clearly disagree with that, but you'd instead rather help them not get laid with rules they largely don't want. At least stay out of personal business entirely if you can't help. and sorry women are busy supporting REAL VICTIMS instead of men who can't pull by themselves. I wholeheartedly support women helping out guys who feel victimized or exploited.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 03:16 AM
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I am now up to 4 gross slimy cowards drive-by downvoting. It is literally against the rules, yet you still do it. At least show yourselves. Bitches.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 03:10 AM
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Why are u not at Harvard with full ride rn. There are more smart people than seats at snooty Ivy Leagues.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 03:07 AM
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Letting women facesit is an act of submission, very gentlemanly.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 03:05 AM
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Guys want help on issues THE DUDES THEMSELVES complain about (ex. not getting laid), not on issues other people assign to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 03:02 AM
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Whoever the one person who insta-downvotes everything I post is a bitch. Face me, coward.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 12:10 AM
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i swear the looksmaxxing thing was probably a blue pill psyop that worked. how the fuck is it different than work on yourself and improve? Blue pillers lie and say stuff like being nice and not objectifying women or having a toxic personality gets men girlfriends, even though that's not true and sometimes the opposite of the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 12:03 AM
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Maybe they're gonna keep asking until the answer changes.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 09:53 PM
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Not seeing women as sex objects hurts some guys in dating though.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 09:49 PM
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Whining happens after a problem already exists. Again, wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 08:15 PM
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He means those men were never able to get super hot women in capacity. The women were able to get the super hot men for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 07:13 PM
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You'd imagine wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 07:08 PM
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Alpha male nature, beta males don't do that stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 01:42 AM
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In this case it's losing a coin flip. Stings a lot more.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 09:25 AM
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If gender was a social construct, then among those woke enough to recognize it as a social construct people would be treated totally equally regardless of gender. They're not.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 09:24 AM
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Most women utterly fail at assertiveness in dating. And lag behind in terms of workplace assertiveness as well. As long as this remains true there's a clear distinction between masculinity and femininity.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 09:21 AM
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Men cannot force other men to associate with them. And men not experiencing the male loneliness epidemic do not care about men who are. They are not going to increase the amount of affection they give to or accept from other men in basic friendships to compensate for the fact that some of those men can't get girlfriends. You are making demands of isolated men that cannot be met.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 02:36 AM
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Most women are simply not gold diggers to the point where they'll sacrifice attraction for money. The women bragging here are banging attractive men, who don't have to pay. Sugar babies are usually sacrficing attraction, so the dynamics are completely different for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 01:48 AM
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Daily reminder that the study people claim says men overrate their attractiveness ACTUALLY only says men rate their attractiveness higher than what other people rate it. But the study provides no assertion that people don't just underrate men's attractiveness in general. Women rate 80% of men as below average (which is mathematically impossible), and men typically aren't gonna rate other men any better since most of them aren't gay. So it's entirely possible that the man himself simply has a mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 01:37 AM
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Fat gold diggers believe they can lay the charm on the sad desperate sugar daddy if they meet up physically.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 01:29 AM
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Insanely based. Normal dating apps can't get away with it but if a guy is spending dozens of thousands of dollars he's not gonna want fat chicks.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 01:25 AM
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Literally nobody called that woman average, though? Meanwhile we have PPD women giving the dude mid numbering.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 01:16 AM
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He's facially handsome, has a decent frame, and is significantly taller than her. Also she's probably jumping points via makeup. There is no planet where he's a 5. 5 is the median. The average man doesn't look anywhere within range of that guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 01:10 AM
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I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 01:06 AM
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People who support these technologies are disfavored since by financially supporting them, they are promulgating them, which means the technology will become more widespread, which is to the detriment of those who don't want to engage/deal with it, which is to the detriment of those who don't want to engage/deal with it, and don't want it to spread. Yet these people also adamantly refuse to provide any sort of alternative for the societal rejects who lack other options. It's awfully entitled to …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 10:37 PM
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People who support these technologies are disfavored since by financially supporting them, they are promulgating them, which means the technology will become more widespread, which is to the detriment of those who don't want to engage/deal with it, which is to the detriment of those who don't want to engage/deal with it, and don't want it to spread. Yet these people also adamantly refuse to provide any sort of alternative for the societal rejects who lack other options. It's awfully entitled to …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 10:37 PM
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If a person posts about how they think everything is pointless, they are obviously looking for support not to do it. No, that is not everyone who does that's intent. Sometimes the intent is simply to receive emotional support for one's suffering, or connect with others in the same predicament. Sometimes the intent is to convince others something is wrong. Sometimes it's simply to pass hopelessly empty time. The problem with AI gf is the same as the problem with porn. Guys think they can treat wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 10:32 PM
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The rule of law is a detriment to some people. A homeless guy could have so much more if the cops didn't intervene.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 10:28 PM
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Well they're missing something then, because the guys who aren't approaching aren't wanted. There is no epidemic of sexy men not pursuing women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 10:27 PM
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The consequences for error as an adult are larger than as a child.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 10:25 PM
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Below average women can still date fine. Any sort of difference of treatment by gender could be considered unfair.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 10:23 PM
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Your point about the pathetic nature of using AI girlfriends is not a random mockery. It was a thread literally asking for women’s opinions on that subject—how is them answering with “I think use of that service is pathetic” unsolicited criticism? Silent judgment is still judgment. Even if the question was not asked, the people would still feel that way. People using AI have done zero harm to these people, yet were still judged.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 10:20 PM
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This is not the 1500s, people do not only date one person their whole life. A slightly larger amount of women are dating a slightly smaller amount of men, and somehow 4B failed to change this.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 10:15 PM
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Theoretically yes, if they didn't suffer any of the other sociobehavioral trends associated with being a woman who dropped out of high school. Realistically virtually none of them actually meet my sociobehavioral standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 03:12 AM
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Okay but the lower the count the less likely any of the instances were casual.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 01:48 PM
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Unwarranted and baseless personal attack alongside a comprehension error, the fact I'm referring to is simply that more is being demanded of the man sought after exclusively for relationships than the one given the option for casual sex. This is not disputable.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 01:45 PM
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Not being considerate and not caring what others think. Obeying only the law and not social customs stacked against you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 01:41 PM
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Women aren't forced to do it, it's a choice to take on that burden, so it's less tragic in their case. Men are often given no other options for advancement even if they hate this course of action, hence why it's key for them specifically to be taught not to care. (alternatively telling them just to not apprpach incorrectly doesn't solve the issue since some men simply do not have the social skills to not approach incorrectly. They have to not care or else they can't proceed at all)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 01:39 PM
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Who said they were? The people attacking low n count preferences. Also who said that LTR women want to be the codependent to your suboptimal insecurities any more than a woman dating casual? Facts are not insecurities.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 01:34 PM
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Nah, it's the selective segregation of dual mating strategies that hurts dude's feelings. Nobody likes being treated differently from the chosen few, and especially not by a girlfriend. Hence the preference for low n here.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 01:20 PM
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Being considerate of women causes extreme difficulty for men in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 01:13 PM
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In America it was mainly men voting for the anti-war candidates like Bernie Sanders. You women are the ones electing violent monsters. Hell, aren't you a Trump fan?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 01:10 PM
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If she wants to date you, why would she agree to settle for casual sex with you? lol Just seems kinda offensive to not give certain guys options you gave other guys, yet still expect those guys to involve themselves with you regardless. And if said guy never got said option ever he's liable to feel excluded. And if you want casual sex, why are you asking for a relationship? A man may lack any distinction regarding how these are pursued.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 01:07 PM
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So we don't have to approach politely? Since it's not "owed" after all...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 01:00 PM
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Thing is for most of history men simply did not care what others thought (especially not women and single male competition for them), so this was a non-issue. We are in a culture where men are told to care and be considerate. Maybe that's the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 12:51 PM
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I'm referring to a scenario where she is specifically declining non-committal sex. That combined with it having never been on the table for the man with any other woman either makes it obvious that she would not have under any scenario had casual sex with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 12:39 PM
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Telling someone to do something then punishing them for trying is a good way to create problem people. You think you're helping. You're doing the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 12:28 PM
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Well you have to actually have decent money to begin with for traditional investment options to do anything. Lucky people multipled their investments exponentially with meme stock BS. It seems to be a trend across all modern markets, socially and economically, that the standard route requires you to bring more initial capital to the table on your own, and in an era of growing inequality less and less people can actually do that. Leaving only the get-quick schemes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 12:17 PM
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but you won’t do that because they involves being okay with slow progression, the potential of it going nowhere or with the idea of being open with any outcome. Why would someone be okay with an eternity of nothing? That's just not a realistic expectation. After a certain point, when all these people are literally married and you still have butt nothing to show for all your consideration, just being around them will grow infuriating.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 12:13 PM
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like a lot of the times in these discussions it almost ends up being men who are monopolizing loneliness and struggling to find a relationship. Because they actually can't find a relationship at all instead of just not being able to find one within the context of an obsession with looks and money.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 09:25 AM
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When reality doesn't match theory, maybe the theory was wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 08:46 AM
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Shame is provocation. You're not quelling anything, just pouring gasoline. Take note of the right-wing radicalism across the West. They're big on pride. Because they feel there was an attempt to shame them, and they're forcefully shouting it down.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 08:35 AM
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Yet if a guy said "if you don't want to be called a slut then you have to not act like a slut" he'd be condemned. As long as we exist on such unequal terms there's no rapport to be had.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 08:33 AM
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Money doesn't grow on trees, that's illegal in some places, and debatably prostitution is sexually exploitative.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 08:09 AM
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But that mentality is in line with misunderstanding OP is pointing out. A lot of men are more analagous to homeless bums than to anyone who ever owned a slave.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 07:40 AM
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Can someone please explain why non-casual sex having men are being expected to being open to romantically dating the promiscuous women who excluded them from casual sex? Surely being in a relationship where you feel excluded from stuff is suboptimal? Your partner is supposed to make you feel good, not less-than.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 07:10 AM
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Did someone say it was easy? Yes, that is the point of contention.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 06:47 AM
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It's telling how the guys who have to be debated into wearing a condom are the ones getting laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 06:44 AM
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Loser women have sex easily. OP is pointing out a gender difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 06:32 AM
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If the lore is true then there is no getting around the fact a promiscuous woman, despite having sex with other men while single, refused to have sex with the relationship man while single and instead expects him to pay up with commitment. The relationship man doesn't have to be jealous or insecure to not want to date someone who doesn't treat him the best.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 05:57 AM
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Psychopathy and corruption are spreading, not retracting. Embrace it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 05:46 AM
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The other thing was, liberal men and trans women threw a hissy fit that their penises count, so liberal feminists dubbed 4B "terfy". And here is the wiki page that has "transphobic" plastered all over it) That's the other reason 4B people keep to themselves. Pissing off liberal men and trans women can get your subreddit nuked and your account on other media spammed with harassment. Feminists who follow these kinds of movements tend to keep to themselves. Pill stuff gets nuked all over Reddit and…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 05:42 AM
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We're not talking about men, we're talking about women. It is a massive failure for 4B for women to still be more participant in dating than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 05:36 AM
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That guy obviously isn't a 6 either, 5 is the absolute best I can give him and that's if I'm feeling just won the lottery levels of generosity. As you said he's overweight and looks 10 years older than he is in the photos.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 05:12 AM
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That's just the bad luck of having both mid or worse looks and non-existent charm.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 05:07 AM
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He swiped on 2 million women, there is no way they were all beyond his looksmatch, it would be mentally ill to waste literal 2 million swipes on delusion. Hell at some point he was probably just swiping on autopilot and hitting butt ugly chicks by pure accident.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 05:02 AM
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So there will still be a bunch of “woe is me” men complaining that despite his balls always being empty he doesn’t have a pristine trophy wife. I was not aware guys complain about that. There are guys who boldly announce hypocritical desires like being promiscuous but marrying chaste women, and bragging if they succeed or discussing ways to achieve it such as passport bro'ing, but I don't see them complaining about failure, since there is no injustice in them being denied this desire. There's no…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 04:45 AM
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If so, who are all of the “casual sex” women supposed to be with long-term if men’s preference is to fuck hella women casually, but marry a virginal woman? The men who feel differently? There are enough of them. Men vary a lot. But realistically why should we care who casual sex having women are supposed to be with long-term? Nobody cares who some PPD guy is supposed to be with at all. Sounds like a personal problem, a trade-off to consider before one's decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 04:34 AM
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Thing is this is not actionable advice. Women simply don't vary enough for every mand to have a realistic shot at getting with one while simply being his natural self.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 01:16 PM
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Because they enjoy attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 07:27 AM
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Every week men post why they themselves want to date lower n count women only to have their reasonings misrepresented and judged based off of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 05:30 AM
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Well yeah, people are childish and immature. Hell I think women wanting big men is childish and immature, ya'll full grown adults yet still want to be smaller than someone. But that's life. 💀
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 04:29 AM
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It's the internet, everyone gets called names for everything. In real life the only man who'd berate you over that is one you're rejecting for that reason (and you're probably smart enough to just not tell him the reason).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 04:24 AM
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Nobody cares about the sour grapes of rejected men though. He's asking where the mainstream criticism is.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 04:22 AM
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It's not about the actual consequences, it's about the social image they want to portray and the perception of risk to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 04:07 AM
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Sounds largely inaccurate. People on Reddit don't seem to understand how personality traits correlate with other personality traits. Awkward introverted non-charismatic men more likely to be creepy? Yeah probably, creepiness is correlated with low social skills ("awkward/non-charismatic") and low social experience (a potential consequence of introversion). Though, I will say there's a difference betwern accidental creepiness and intentional creepiness, the latter of which is not particularly cor…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 04:00 AM
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Nobody would complain about "slut shaming" if only men who didn't have sex did it. Men who don't have sex don't socially matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 03:05 AM
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I think driving is riskier than sex. You would probably shun a man who didn't drive. The feeling is mutual Nobody's trying to convince you, obviously a "promiscuous woman" doesn't think promiscuity is bad. History can't be undone so it's a lost cause.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 03:01 AM
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and they have a double standards, if a woman is at top then "it's gynocentric all women benefit and men suffer" but if men are in charge, like always, then "it's not all men and only small percentage" Because women benefit even when none, 0% of them are on top. Men get absolutely shit on when they're not on top.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 02:53 AM
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A lot of people would commit crimes if there were no consequences, that's kind of why there are laws. Again this is hating incels for something that could be attributed to nearly anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 02:42 AM
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It's reverse preselection, people hate who other people hate, by definition incels are unpopular and that thus increases their unpopularity. This is the inspiration behind the just world fallacy that most incels specifically did somthing bad to deserve their misfortunes, people wanting to justify their natural inclination to hate the guys. Additionally people want to distance themselves from guys defined by their inability to achieve a basic biological imperative. Femcels don't get the same hate…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 02:38 AM
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There's no wage gap when you're on minimum wage. Why should anyone care about these non-minimum wage earning women when there are others making even less than them?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 12:54 AM
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That depends on the woman and if she herself lived with this mentality.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 12:52 AM
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I’ve seen men blame women for Trump being elected, calling it punishment for women’s standards being too high. So? That doesn't mean women aren't allowed to continue doing whatover. Men are just allowed to respond however they legally want too.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 12:46 AM
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Nah dating is plenty fair for most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 12:44 AM
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Isn't it the just world fallacy? No. Please understand behavioral correlations. OP is not saying X group universally does Z while Y group universally doesn't do Z. He's saying that X group is more likely to do Z than Y group, yet somehow X group is preferred while Y group is attacked for any minor flaw.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 12:03 AM
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Obviously he's a weirdo, I don't need a personal report from his roommates. He's not hiding it. Dude showers every 2-3 weeks and his room smells… Well it's not like fiixng that will magically get him laid, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 11:59 PM
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What's the big deal? No real women want him. So there's no loss in preferring imaginary anime women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 11:39 PM
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I feel like once you've been isolated long enough you start succumbing to the hatred, greater than any longing for love, and honestly the stuff blue pillers tell older inexperienced guys (ex. must be willing to settle down before having any fun, must consider single moms despite having no kids, etc.) helps compound that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 11:24 PM
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In this context desperate people are the subject, not necessarily narcissistic abusers, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 11:21 PM
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Chads do not act identically to women, regardless of opportunity. Chads have significantly lower standards than equivalent or remotely similar women. "Similar in a set of regards" =/= "exactly the same".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 11:20 PM
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With DNC Vice Chair David Hogg acknowledging that young men feel like the Democrats are blocking the way towards them getting laid and having fun, it seems the movement's going bipartisan.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 07:59 AM
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If we calculated weight for men then a lot of the "average men" we refer to should actually be considered above average by virtue of not being fat fucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 06:11 AM
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guys don't improve yourselves Why would someone improve to date someone worse than them? Waste of effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 09:29 PM
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improve yourself to the point where you are actually qualified to have one by having more to offer her and actually improve her life. Drop the hypocrisy. You're telling men to improve while explictly opposing women being told to improve.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 09:24 PM
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They won’t learn basic life skills. They won’t respect women or accept them as equals. There are men who do that who are not wanted. Ignoring their existence to repeat the same rhetoric over and over is foul.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 04:09 AM
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It's just depressing how human advancement collapses in on itself. The more industrial progress the more we hurt our environment. The more mechanical progress the more we kill eachother. The more technological progress the less we employ. The more social progress the less we mate. The species is doomed to suck.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 03:58 AM
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It's a good thing he posted that on r/short instead of r/shortguys lol. Even being 5'2 would not save him.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 04:35 AM
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Yeah being 5'6 and male will probably lead to depression and poor lifestyle habits that cause health complications on par with whatever the HGH would've did anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 04:33 AM
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Or the guy is frustrated he cannot enter romantic relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 02:30 AM
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Women are more elitist than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 02:26 AM
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The entire manosphere has never and will never have celebrity levels of engagement, these are bizarre comparisons. It's like criticizing a political rally for not having as much attendance as the Superbowl.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 02:24 AM
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Uh... I don't wanna get shot by some random salty dude. Surely it's not best to encourage all this.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 01:19 AM
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We need to fast forward to the part where Republicans ban dating apps to "prevent sex trafficking" but actually to screw over women and LGBT.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 01:16 AM
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Sexless boys don't lead anything. But in close elections any group can be the straw breaking the camel's back.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 01:13 AM
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He’s the opposite of an incel. Obviously? Every notable politician is the opposite of an incel. The whole thing about being an incel is having severely lacking appeal to others. Literal mass amounts of people voting for you to be in charge is the furthest thing away from that concept. When people reference X politician in relation to incels they mean the politician courts incel support or espouses common incel philosophy. It's not deep bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 01:09 AM
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South Korea has a unique problem where men alone are forced to serve in the military when they become adults, while women are not, yet the local feminists demand professional equality regardless and suppress any attempts to give men returning from the military a headstart back into civilian life. That is the perfect recipe to create a misogynistic country.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 12:58 AM
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Pretty much. That's what the thugmaxxed slayers I know do. And also what the dudes I know who can't get laid do. The guys being productive are the ones who have a shot at intimate success but need to work for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 12:54 AM
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Reddit and the classic forum format are dying in general, gen Z is on TikTok, YouTube, Discord and whatnot. No actual change in cultural direction, it's accelerating down the same path, it's just out of your view because you are not a gen Z'er on gen Z platforms.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 12:49 AM
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Based moms.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 09:37 PM
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Because you don't know how to tell the difference between seperate groups of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 07:46 PM
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Employ that one AI service that scans photos and estimates the height.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 07:45 PM
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The joke was that my being promiscuous is supposed to be sooooo repulsive to men and such an obstacle that I could never be loved or have a healthy relationship with a good man. Tons of the complaints here are about AF/BB, women having casual fun with alpha males then settling down with nice guys, nobody here was denying that promiscuous women can get relationships lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 01:49 AM
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Apparently my existence as a promiscuous woman is supposed to repel every man in sight By default no since how would someone have a high count if the opposite sex didn't like them. That wouldn't make sense... and even I’ve been more successful than these dudes You are a woman. The requirements for a woman to get laid, date, and whatnot are far lower than for men. It does not matter what type of woman it is, the clause is universal.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 12:57 AM
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Why are the blue pillers in this sub the most successful in dating/sex/relationships if black/redpill works?? Because people do not need pills if dating already worked for them. So people who seek out the red pill or black pill were already not getting what they wanted in dating, even before the pills. Blue pillers are the least angry, struggle the least, and relate most to normal people. But no one wants to learn from them, why? Because the blue pill does not work for them. The blue pill is the…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 12:49 AM
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Men and women are different.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 11:09 PM
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"in the process of detaching from the wrong romantic situation for me" = in a situationship with Chad/alpha male.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 11:08 PM
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No, cry more. Blue pill deludeds far outnumber red pillers most everywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 11:05 PM
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Get over it. No.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 10:46 PM
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And you did benefit from a boys will be boys culture as a younger child. All I got from boys culture was excessive verbal and physical bullying. Male privilege tends to rapidly diminish if you do not fit male gender roles. To the point where the negatives can outweigh it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 09:48 PM
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Based.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 09:43 PM
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Overpriced, not buying until it has a ton of games.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 09:43 PM
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He's not facing the camera ever. I know profile improvement is usually cope but if I was a woman I'd be afraid to match because of the vibes from that. It's important not to come off abnormal.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 09:40 PM
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People not attracted to women massively overrate women. That's not close to a 9. 7 at absolute generous best. Also you've used height against men in some of your ratings, so if we apply similar standards to women then 5'7 (a bit tall for a woman) could detract appeal.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 05:11 AM
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Shy while straight is not being a massive fuckup, it's just unattractive. Men get boxed out for a lot of things of varying severity.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 02:29 AM
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I really don't get this influx of mid people denying that they're mid.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 02:27 AM
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No free pass for Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 02:06 AM
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Fathers are worse, on average. Men do not have in-group bias like women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 09:59 PM
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Fratboys are known trash tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 09:52 PM
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Being physically attractive doesn't make the pills invalid for dudes who aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 09:51 PM
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Moron police about to inadvertently set a murderer free.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 09:50 PM
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College being unreasonably expensive discourages men from attending, Men do not like taking loans they cannot pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 08:23 PM
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There are still cucked aspects of the Trump admin, they're heavily against adding women to the draft for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 08:21 PM
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Ellie will blame all men when the inevitable happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 08:19 PM
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He is literally sub-5, like you could put him next to the dictionary entry of sub-5. With a better hairstyle he wouldn't be that far below 5 but still sub-5.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 08:16 PM
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Basially men can love a partner even if they are soft, weak, and useless.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 08:14 PM
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PPD women are needlessly hostile but if I start calling them what they deserve to be called back I'd catch bans, feels bad man.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 06:30 PM
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It never occurs to me to compliment women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 05:27 PM
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It is wild how PPD women will literally have Chad-related flairs yet downplay the importance of looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 12:54 AM
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It's at the point where I get rejected without approaching. Some chick rolled her eyes at me. Another locked eyes with me then turned around and ran away. Clearly they could read my mind and tell that I was a bitter PPD male.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 12:06 AM
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Reporting for duty.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 12:04 AM
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Nice guys on PPD: abysmally low standards Nice girls on PPD: insanely high standards
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 07:36 PM
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Yes they can be both, do you see every man getting to have casual sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 07:33 PM
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Brother the context of the discussion is that the user I responded to initially said "it's not your looks" before explictly confirming that looks were necessary for all her partners. I'm calling out the double-speak.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 06:52 PM
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Everyone I've ever had sex with was physically attractive. Oh so then looks do matter. 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 06:23 PM
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This is the part where she denies her casual partners were physically attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 05:57 PM
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Fatty bashing could easily be about the lazy gluttony, instead of the physical ugliness of being fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 05:55 PM
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Because as he very clearly implied it doesn't work.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 05:52 PM
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Most of those dudes died early via war or workplace hazard or illness. At no point in history was it common for dudes to live to senior citizenhood with no intimate success unless they were a monk or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 02:48 PM
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This is like looking at a paraplegic and wondering, "why hasn't he had a job? He lazy?" No... It is very obvious that most employers just aren't hiring paraplegics. The reason for the lack of employment is obvious, and not related to the individual's personal drive. The reason some pepple haven't had partners is because they do not meet the metrics to get partners. They are socially awkward and not attractive enough to get away with it. Has nothing to do with their character.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 06:01 AM
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Not very based. Every guy who abused a female partner was NOT an incel, yet you guys don't stereotype sexhaving males based on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 05:57 AM
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No, feminists outright reject "incel" as a valid personal descriptive term, so the grand majority of feminist males who can't find partners would still not be describing themselves as incels at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 05:55 AM
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That's dumb. Even if a guy wants wholesome memories if he's socially awkward and ugly he'll be unwanted regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 05:31 AM
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Yeah. It's a biological imperative, solutions should be sought.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 05:30 AM
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Bro obviously they are not looksmatched, nobody is that delusional lol. boogie was upfront about how he wanted to bang the hottest women, the "Los Angeles 10s". His ex-wife was also way more attractive than him.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 06:13 PM
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Status, with a touch of wealth. That is literally all you need. Any man can get laid with status. Despite being an obese lolcow boogie was a beloved YouTuber for many years. Supposedly the girl was the one who messaged him first.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 06:08 PM
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