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You're literally talking about how the hot guys you're actually attracted to won't commit. That has nothing to do you just trying to make it someone's character flaws. It's you refusing to date anyone other than men with infinite options. That's a you problem and it is hypergamy. It's like, seriously, no seriously, do you women realize how crazy you can seem. If your vagina isn't ON FIRE from a man you'd rather just die alone. Seriously?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 10:37 PM
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I'll defend women a little bit on this. It's just that they use a different mode of social discourse. They like to build consensus and then stick to it for agreeability reasons, and that means face-saving cliches to establish "safe" explanations for concerning issues. I can give them a break on it because they do this among themselves, and if men wanted to engage that way and try to build face-saving excuses for men after validating the "safe" social narratives, I think women would allow for it.…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 10:09 PM
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Let me tell you what she's doing. She's taking an issue that's clearly the fault of women - men struggling because women are highly picky and selective, and not as sexually motivated at the same time. Then, subconsciously knowing this, she just contrives some way to blame it on men. Notice how your argument that male scattershot dating isn't their fault, nor is it reasonably a cause of the problem. You're right. Her argument is basically that "it's a bad look". It's kicking someone while they're…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 09:22 PM
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If men were selective, almost no relationships would ever happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 09:20 PM
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Most young women have pretty terrible personalities, especially if they've filtered through the college-urban social media monoculture. Also, women don't really like to reveal themselves to stranger men. You have to have an in, one way or another, to get the ball rolling. Most men don't choose on anything, not looks or personality, it's mostly about taking what they can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 09:19 PM
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It's more like "for women it's like finding a $500 French wine on sale for $50 dollars in a wine store full of pretty decent $20 wine"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 09:17 PM
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You're just making stuff up at this point. An internet cliche that's obviously about really reaching to pass on accountability to someone else is not convincing anyone. I get called misogynist, but you ladies use the same arguments over and over, all the time as if you're the first person to ever say it. You all get mad when we call you out as insincere arguers, but how can you be taken seriously if your argument is a cliche we've all heard before that has been thoroughly addressed. Like, read t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 09:14 PM
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You're "blue pill" but you're just describing hypergamy. "Good matches" and "situationships" are just code for women all dating the same small set of highly attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 09:12 PM
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Women know exactly which men are likely to be good providers and which are likely to use them. They always know. They just listen to their vaginas instead of their brains, and then make it society's problem that listening to their vagina didn't work out for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 09:11 PM
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They act like they're the first woman to ever experience this totally unique set of circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 09:07 PM
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Your problem is, and I've seen this multiple times in my life, is that if you did find a man you liked and wasn't using you, you'd still shut him out sexually and stick to the vibrator if he wasn't "good" enough sexually. Even without cheating on him, even feeling sexually frustrated, even if you've had sex with him already so it's not like there's any mystery. If he's not good enough, you will literally just stick to the vibrator. It's somehow worse to have sex with a less adequate guy than to …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 09:06 PM
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You're missing a piece of the puzzle. Women can get things from men in relationships that men can't really get from women. Men can provide, solve problems, listen to emotion dumping. Depending on the relationship, this role can be very useful for a woman. The problem is women don't really like to be in relationships where they have to give back as much because it makes them start to see the man as an inadequate provider and they grow resentful. This kind of support that men offer to women is mea…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/25 09:00 PM
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I guarantee half of 4B women are getting D on the side.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/25 03:01 AM
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There's not going to be a study on how feminist ethics boards shoot down studies. Sorry. But everyone in academia who works in the psychology field would be capable of admitting it, and many have spoken out about it. Regardless, let's ignore whether that's happening or not. The study you linked admitted to inadequacies in its study design, and highlighted how it could be improved, and what alternative conclusions are possible. Those alternatives line up with with people are saying in this very t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 04:52 PM
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Blah blah “women can’t comprehend my special male intelligence” is also not an argument. It’s just preening. Another motte. “My perspective is men feel like that because they understand women want men better than themselves” My argument is that the men who feel that they are superior to their partner are having feelings, and that they are often not objective or correct in deeming themselves superior. Some men are “better than” their parters, but this is not universal. Exactly, that's your motte …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 04:48 PM
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I just read through the first study which claims that "men are unsatisfied if the woman is richer and they have a masculine ideology." If you look at their data, what it really says is, "especially non-white, older married couples have less relationship satisfaction and the men have strong masculine ideology." There's a stronger correlation between masculinist ideology and dissatisfaction than income disparity and satisfaction. Masculinist ideology men were more likely overall to be dissatisfied…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 04:39 PM
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Which one? I read two of them and they didn't apply. Okay, here we go. I'm going to just read through all three. Thanks again, for making me do work, you're going to be proven wrong in the end.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 04:23 PM
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Lol, you're so unhelpful. One of your studies was just, "Women are more sexually satisfied than men because they get exactly as much sex as they want while men are left consistently frustrated, until the grow old and get ED." What the hell does that have anything to do with what I said?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 04:18 PM
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Thanks for the unhelpful drive-by link dump. "Hello fellow red pill kids."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 04:09 PM
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I honestly think a lot of women don't realize they're making motte and bailey arguments, because I think female neurology pre-consciously re-weights and re-contextualizes argumentation to serve her desired social and emotional outcome. Like, we were talking about one thing, but then because that led to inconvenient conclusions, your brain just like rearranges what it is we're talking about so the conclusion can become convenient. In my experience, some women are more conscious of this and more s…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 04:02 PM
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The argument is "women don't care if their man makes less". They don't say they care. And they don't care up until they just end the relationship and move to the next thing. But men have to care, since they're dealing with a mercurial, dishonest creature whom we know look down on and find unattractive unambitious men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 05:20 AM
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For the benefit of the audience and not you. If a man is walking around staring at other women's bodies, commenting on them, staying out late and saying to his girlfriend that he nearly almost went home with this or that woman, and has a history of having done it in his past, would this woman feeling insecure be her fault? Give me a break. Stop pulling the "man up" card when you're simultaneously arguing against "toxic masculinity".
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 05:14 AM
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Psychological research is gatekept by feminists who are well aware of popular discourse on relationships and dating, and use ethics panels to deem anything anti-feminist as "harmful to women" and so studies that engage in the nuance you're looking for aren't going to be published.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 05:13 AM
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This is a you choosing your partners poorly problem. You're picking men who are the types to be ambitious and ego invested in their own success. Your level of success makes any other kind of man unappealing to you. It's sort of like the Peter principle. Successful women will filter out men who wouldn't be upset about being less successful.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 05:11 AM
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When I was in my late 20s, I suppose it was my fault that I was single in the sense that even though I owned a home, and was fit, and was making friends as fast as I could, I didn't try to get muscular and ripped, and my job had just made me move and I didn't know anyone in town. In a sense, there was room for growth, and so a lot of potential partners rejected me. Then again, this is when heightism was really picking up, and I'm under 6 feet. My city was literally voted the worst city for singl…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 04:47 AM
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You just completely ignored the piece connecting those two ideas which I just stated. You're just a disingenuous actor incapable of debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 04:39 AM
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Yes, because if a man earns less, the woman is more likely to leave him. The women are creating that insecurity. Yes, I'm blaming women for the rational insecurity. It's okay to blame women for things, buddy, when they're guilty of those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 04:32 AM
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A man who is okay staying less successful than his woman is by definition inadequately ambitious for a woman. A guy that's more ambitious than 3 men, but less ambitious than 7 other men, is relatively unambitious even though he has a little ambitions. Sorry, dude, women have height filters for a reason. Women date up. This is a motte and bailey. When we say women want ambitious men, we're not talking about "any man that at least does more than sit on his ass and smoke weed all day." When women s…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 04:18 AM
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What an amazing, almost surgical like splitting of definitions so that commonly understood things only mean exactly what you want them to so you can win a word battle.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 03:58 AM
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So you're literally admitting the point many of the men here have been making. That it's women who don't want to date broke guys. Cue in on your context please. This isn't a debate about whether women are correct to prefer richer men or not. This is a debate about whether men are the ones refusing to date richer women. In your example, you're admitting that it's the women who have reason not to date broke guys. It's like you're so busy trying to avoid anything negative being pinned on women you …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 02:44 AM
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Well, as some have pointed out, women do end up leaving men due to building resentment, even if they start out being open minded about dating a broke guy. Men spend ALL DAY trying to figure out how to get women to like them, and most men who have dealt with women a lot know for a fact that this is something women care about very almost existentially when it comes to romance. Some broke fuckboi is not going to be drawn into a sugarmommy relationship posing as "we're just equals who are compatible…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 02:40 AM
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If it's a myth why do so many men refuse to date women with a college education, or a job that earns more than them, or if they expect the woman to stop all her hobbies and interests. Just because you hear about these men on the internet doesn't mean they're real.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 02:36 AM
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The few men I know who stay home with the kids absolutely love it and are constantly inventing new recipes for the family, doing home improvement projects, tutoring their kids in weird stuff like language learning or computer programming. I know plenty of people where the woman treats marriage as a semi-retirement. Especially millennial type women in their 40s. I know women who really resent a male partner with substandard career ambitions. The couples I know where the woman works are always ins…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 02:36 AM
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I know men like that, and they tend to be vastly more successful with women than other men. It's almost as if women are attracted to masculine, ambitious dudes. Feminists really need to pick a lane here. Either masculinity is toxic and performative and not necessary, or it's hot, in which case accept the consequences of prioritizing masculinity in society.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 02:30 AM
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Just, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 02:29 AM
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Well, Gisele left Brady. And then banged the masseuse. Seeing as that successful men are vastly more successful in dating, it seems many women are willing to engage with that compromise. Although, many man do complain about how women only want to date them once they have something going for them, but get mad when they don't devote enough time and attention away from their job. I think the issue is probably that many women in society enter adulthood rather immature, because they get protected fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 02:28 AM
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I've seen women take accountability if they know it's sort of a mental thing they're at fault for, stuff like BPD kind of behavior. Women, from my experience, don't like to take accountability for physical stuff. They don't admit to faults in their beauty, and they don't really make compromises or exceptions when it comes to what they desire sexually. They will sometimes admit, however, to being the problem if it's a matter of toxic behavior. In my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 02:23 AM
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This is the "we're all just people, not gendered people" motte and bailey. It's a very common rhetorical trope used to defend the behavior of women from scrutiny. It's very rarely used to defend the behavior of men, although certainly many red pill debaters have picked up its use simply because it's used so much on the other side it has utility.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 02:21 AM
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No, she's just saying that when women get emotionally uncomfortable and need a break from accountability, you have to like "listen" and "respect" her feelings. To be fair, women extend this courtesy to each other all the time, and will sometimes extend it to men as well. But, that's what she means.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 02:19 AM
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I do assume dishonesty with women. It's because human being engage in -clap- patterns -clap- of -clap- behavior. A person's actions speak louder than words. While many women in my experience like to use words to recontextualize the obvious implications of their actions to make themselves feel less bad when caught in bad behavior, it does not actually mean that words are enough. I've made women furious, but never had one break up with me, by calling out when their words are not reflecting their a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 02:16 AM
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You don't know more about a man than he himself does. As a man, I'm telling you that a dating partner being richer than me wouldn't intimidate or bother me at all. I'd literally just like give her massages in exchange for her paying for trips, carry her bags and the like. Nothing extreme, just like, hey you paid I can at least put in a little effort on my end. Do you think you know what men are thinking?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 02:12 AM
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And maybe it's the men they're choosing that leads to that experience?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 02:10 AM
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I mean, you've never dated a guy and called it off because you just felt "I'm not good enough for him." Like a really powerful social operator with a huge network, always active, always moving always in contact with big players with big names. Like, where you just feel you can't keep up, and you need something your speed. The issue is whether that other person is going to need you to keep up or not, eventually. They may have short term ulterior motives, but you'll know that you don't offer what'…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 02:09 AM
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Yet again proving that the point of relationships to women is transactional access to status exchanged for sex. Like, women will even use language to reflect that if asked to verbalize their intuition and they don't realize what the topic is really about. They're so completely clear about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 02:06 AM
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Feminists would never allow such a study. Ideological, trained feminists gatekeep psychology through ethics board. Anything against feminist ideology is labelled as "harmful to women" and defunded on an ethics basis even before peer review. And the thing is, these gatekeepers are well aware of culture wars and they will gatekeep studies not even in defense of feminist ideology, but specifically to protect bullshit social media narratives.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 02:02 AM
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We also don't know if these men are "resentful" against successful women, or just feel personally like failures.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 01:59 AM
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It also happens with women who get fat, do no chores and don't work and their husband doesn't even leave until she cheats on him.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 01:58 AM
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"My money is my money, and his money is my money" "Not all women" -divorces husband who lost his job- "Well, but see he got all bitter and then my body got tired and I was stressed and he dared to want to seek physical comfort with me and I was grossed out then he got all angry like when I reminded him how he wasn't really a real man anymore, so I had to leave him." As if we haven't seen this happen to a half dozen men just among those we personally know, let along the countless versions of the …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 01:57 AM
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She's doing what a lot of commenters here are doing, which is conflating the issue of whether a man has higher or lower status than a female partner with whether that status is articulated, acknowledged and acted upon in a relationship. Typical Motte and Bailey, what else is new. The actual substantive argument that they're disagreeing with flies right over their heads because they're just not interested in it, because, well, it proves them wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 01:55 AM
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Oure negative opinions of female behavior come from experience. We were conditioned all our lives to think women are pro-social, non-superficial angels. Women hardcore lose attraction for men who cry. They don't believe it will happen ahead of time, but after it does they can't shake it. Demonstrated over and over again. Look, you're just wrong. You're wrong, because if you were even half right, vastly more poor average dudes would have rich girlfriends. I mean, Jesus, you're really incredulous …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 01:53 AM
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You just like being the one to think he's better than you. Your problem here isn't the relative status, it's whether he lords it over you or lets you take ownership over his status.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/25 01:51 AM
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Careful, this sounds like "cope" which means apparently saying anything bad about anyone except red pill men. Maybe an angry feminist will report you and the mods will delete lol. This sub is pure cope.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 06:37 PM
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Sorry but the "infantalize women" is a cliche that's being used far outside of its original purview. Most women do not like to have to face a male pressuring them to have sex and would prefer not to date if it means that. It's ridiculous to call this "infantalization".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 06:31 PM
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It's not okay for society to be this level of not okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 06:22 PM
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You can't make some guys wait but also then not make other guys wait. I hope you at least understand that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 06:16 PM
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Well you do sound like a positive influence. My point of view would be to closely evaluate your socially received ideological beliefs to make sure they align with your personal feelings just in case they don't. Society, your peers, they're capable of being wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 06:15 PM
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That sounds like an exceptional circumstance, and nothing to feel shame over. But, I mean, it's not healthy to rely on these things and it's not healthy to rely on whiskey or heroin either. Do you realize it's not normal, not healthy and not good for people to use any of these things if they can be avoided? Self-medication with drugs like alcohol is absolutely proof that society is not doing well.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 06:13 PM
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I'm not saying to wait until marriage to have sex. I'm just saying the norm should be to date for a while before sex coming up as a thing for people to worry about. So that women can engage with dating without having to constantly deal with the discomfort and safety issues of pressure to have sex. Sorry, you cannot get to know someone without having to jump into bed if that's the norm and expectation. Dating is a public, social activity that you do before building a personal relationship with so…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 06:11 PM
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"adults are capable of deciding for themselves" Not according to almost all feminist theory, which talks about systemic oppression, repressive discourse, disempowerment and so forth. But practically speaking, promiscuous women are enabling toxic men, and created a dating environment that puts a lot of upfront pressure on women to have sex before they're ready and it's not something an individual can fix with their own personal decisions. Sure, a woman can make her own personal decisions, but if …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 06:08 PM
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if people were genuinely content and doing well, most of them wouldn't be on anti-depressants. I get there are exceptional circumstances, but when millions of people are on them, it means millions of people are NOT OKAY.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 05:54 PM
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I've seen MAGA tier mischaracterization of what the law actually says. Fear porn basically. Feminists constantly misuse data to present worst case scenarios. This is the toxic element I'm talking about. They're not helping women. They're SCARING women, for power.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 05:53 PM
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When you study women at the end of their fertility window, cross culturally, it's almost always around 80% that had wanted kids, and those who didn't end up with kids in that group, do certainly regret it. You're digging your heels deep into the feminist anti-natalism, which from my experience in a gender studies course, is raw, pure lesbian cope. I get it, they're people who would not fit the normal family and children mode and it has to be hard living in a society that expects that of people. …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 05:48 PM
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Yeah, I guess, I remember in college it was people who were 19 and 20 "catching up" to views that certain people I know held since around age 16, and those people hadn't changed their views. Still, this catching up process alters the ideology a lot before it's all said and done.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 05:44 PM
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I honestly think that people here, and the culture of the last 10 years in particular, are using words like "feminism" to just mean the lifestyle and socially influential, privileged women have carved out permission for themselves to engage in. Lol, no. People are not happy about what's happening in dating and sex right now. Women are being harmed. Hell, most men are willing to compromise. I know tons of men who would date and wait for sex if they felt it was sincere on the woman's part, and if …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 05:41 PM
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I think it is true that people lock into whatever was the youth culture when they were 22-28 and don't update their views as society changes. Good luck to your family.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 05:38 PM
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If you're a feminist and a leader, you should champion dating norms that don't harm women. Promiscuous, toxic dating culture harms most women, and it's massive cope and excuses from socially assertive women defending their own behavior that prevents a discourse that would protect the average woman from a massively sexualized dating environment. I just had lunch the other day with some college kids. They literally have no idea what dating is. They think you have a crush up until you feel comforta…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 05:36 PM
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Yeah, except, man it would be so much easier to afford rent if you shared living expense with someone. Yet, tons of people out here are single, so...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 05:30 PM
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I want a world where if a man is dating a woman, there's an expectation that he won't be pushy about anything sexual for a decent while after starting getting to know her, so that she doesn't have to worry about that. That doesn't work if toxic women are sleeping around with everyone and coping, and forcing everyone else to normalize their behavior. It's that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 05:28 PM
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You're being inconsiderate. We know for a fact that these two situations are very common: 1) A woman is pressured by peers into sleeping with a guy when she's reluctant. She regrets it later, and withdraws from talking to men because she can't navigate asserting or even knowing her own preferences against the pressure from her peers who are lost in a toxic culture generated by "hot women out there fucking". 2) A woman is dating a guy, and he expects her to have sex with him before she's ready, r…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 05:00 PM
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Many people have found someone just fine, but it's not a majority. It's maybe 20-30%. And for people under 30, it's much much worse. It's always hard to tell if changing culture has simply pushed up adulthood, or if men and women are actually losing trust in each other. I imagine both are happening, and we'll know more in 10 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 04:56 PM
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First, I only casually referenced OF. I mainly meant instagram, and not necessarily professional instagram, but just the way that attractive, assertive women can leverage extraordinary social privilege, access to networking, ways to get money and other assistance, at a scale never seen before in human history. It was just an example of how some women benefit a lot from toxic sexual culture that is not benefitting the majority. As for sex workers, little off-topic, IMO the idea is that all male-f…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 04:53 PM
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I think people should date for a little while before sex, and anyone who operates differently should be viewed as "fast" or "slutty" or "playboy". While they shouldn't be stigmatized, they should be seen as different, outside of norms, left to their own communities and dating circles and kept out of the dating circles everyone else participates in. It's not that complicated. It's hardly restrictive. This is just proof of how ingrained toxic culture has become.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 04:40 PM
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There used to be social norms that told men they did not have access to sex unless they made a huge investment into a relationship first. Up until the 1990s, this was how the majority of people operated. Toxic women have fought harder than anyone to reverse these norms, and normalize promiscuous lifestyles. They've dragged their female peers by the roots of their hairs along on these "slutwalks" and so forth to systematically defeat every last norm that makes dating sane and safe for most women.…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 04:37 PM
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Sexually harassing women in public used to be forbidden, not for the sake of women's rights, but because it was considered obscene to bring sexuality into public life. IMO, this was a much safer, better environment for women. There really was never a good feminist argument about why this was bad. Feminists have gone to great lengths to try and explain how, through Foucauldian analysis, the creation of "misbehaving women" archetypes were used to oppress women. Maybe. I think the feminists are eng…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 04:32 PM
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This sub will have men saying that women are whores. But then people who professional debunk the red pill have produced receipts that the majority of women are just not promiscuous. This leads me to believe that by emphasizing sexually promiscuous culture, we've actually made dating profoundly unsafe for the majority of women. This obvious conclusion doesn't occur to us because these loud voices have found a million tactics for convincing us how promiscuity is empowering and if you speak against…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 04:25 PM
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Red pill debunkers have spent years using data to show that only around 20-30% of women engage in the kind of sexual behavior you're talking about. That's the problem the audience of this sub faces. Many people hate the red pill, which argues insane things like women are cheaters and whores, but then when we point out that actually, no, most women are very sexually modest, then there's massive cope about how "women" are very sexually promiscuous other than some exceptions. Which is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 04:22 PM
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Young women are socially conformist, especially to peers, not the least because they lack power in society and can't afford to stand out as easily as men or established, older people.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 04:21 PM
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If someone did what you suggest, then they couldn't use weaponized emotions to either prove they belong in a group or to intimidate and frighten people into conformity to a group.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 04:19 PM
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Abortion is much more restricted in Europe, so why did that escape your mention? Oh, because this isn't an issue that you're serious about on a factual, proportional basis. It's ideology and hype and exaggeration and has more to do with forcibly conforming women to an ideological culture by make them feel unsafe, by convincing them to feel unsafe using fairy tales somewhat based in reality. It's toxic.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 04:18 PM
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Lol, imagine if you had an actual argument to present.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 04:16 PM
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Okay. I guess we can just pick and choose what toxicity means then.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 04:16 PM
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It's maybe a top 5 or top 3 issue depending. It's not 90% of what matters in the world and the rest of all politics is like 10% important, which is how it's treated. By the way, this is why you lost the election. Failure to prioritize, to proportionalize the issue to reality rather than treat it as an ideological and theoretical/moral issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 04:15 PM
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in his quest to force women to keep any pregnancy at any cost That's not even my position at all. I'm pro-choice. I also don't think recent developments are as end of the world as crazy feminist culture has tried to argue. Plenty of people can still get abortions easily, and there are a million other ways to deal with pregnancy issues. Also, sure, it SUCKS for poor women who get trapped into a pregnancy, but there are literally millions of millions of women perfectly capable of avoiding that pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 04:14 PM
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I love how far left socialist women turn into ardent darwinians when it's time to defend their toxic socio-sexual behavior. To clarify, I'm not proposing anyone be judged for what happens in their bedroom, but we should have a culture where sex is something that comes farther down the road than just getting to know people and dating a little. People need the cultural and social norms, the breathing room, to interact with the opposite sex maybe even romantically, without having to deal with the i…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 04:05 PM
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43% of women in 2030 will be single and childless. 80% of women report they would like to have children if they could. Something is failing. I'm tired of people downplaying real, emerging social issues as "just things you see online". I personally know a lot of women, and men actually, who live alone and don't date and minimally socialize. Just because, there's some sort of gap or trust issue and people just don't know how to get out and get together with other people anymore. They don't know wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 04:00 PM
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I've lived 12 years of my life outside the US, in more than one country, and have known and dated countless women. Your argument is just air.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 03:58 PM
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I can't believe I have to say this, but the point is not that women are spineless dolts. Peer pressure is very real, and for people who have power disadvantages for many reasons in society, it's very hard to speak up and speak out if you don't feel like there's anyone supporting you, and that your closest peers would reject you if you spoke up. You act like being passively conformist with your peer culture in this environment makes you spineless. You'd have to be extraordinarily brave to live co…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 03:57 PM
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So, are women at a power disadvantage in society or not. Because between feminism and historical female oppression, or most women being empowered unflinching girlbosses, you're going to have to pick one or the other. They're mutually exclusive. You can't motte and bailey.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 03:55 PM
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Interesting. You're actually sincere about not understanding why I would hold the opinions I do. You should probably get more male friends, get out of your female cultural bubble, and expand your sources of information.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 03:53 PM
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Yeah, a lot of the comments here are clearly toxic. Precisely the sort of toxic woman I'm talking about, raging against accountability, completely indifferent and in denial over the harm they're causing to other women in their social environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 03:52 PM
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I'm sure you've never said the word "ick" and never ever used it to refer to a man's perceived confidence or masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 03:51 PM
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Most women don't use dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 03:51 PM
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Women like you are just jealous of successful intelligent men who sleep around without consequences, and so you've created an entire ideology that attempts to be a direct copy of it, even though it's not working out for most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 03:50 PM
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I think you're just citing something that is part ideology and part the perspective of a minority of women that are sleeping around. For example, the "Mad Men" who cheated and slept around became part of a discourse that said that "men are allowed to get away with this it's patriarchy". In truth, no, "men" were not getting away with this. A minority of toxic men were, and the "patriarchal" values would have criticized and punished this kind of behavior. I think it's appropriate to qualify female…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 05:20 AM
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Responses like this usually mean that I actually probably know a lot and you just don't want to talk about it. If there are "volumes", then since this is a debate, it's a great chance to whip out a couple bullet points.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 05:13 AM
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I didn't "call for" women to be passive. I said that women lack power and the average woman lacks the power or social means to go against the culture of her peers which yes does result in a kind of passivity. Which just means that this culture is being created by power holding toxic women, not being created by the average woman who is subject to it. By the way, it's obviously clear that most female users of this sub are toxic women. When men say that "all women are hos sleeping around cheating" …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 05:04 AM
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btw you just basically outed yourself as a toxic woman when you were younger. I'm not judging you for being toxic, but I will say that I think your behavior helps harm both men and women and I don't support and I don't agree with it, and I don't care if it benefitted you because the needs of other people are more important than the desires of the few.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 04:58 AM
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It does get power to women. That's my point. Attractive, alpha, toxic women get a ton of privilege from this environment. Those benefits don't trickle down to the average woman who doesn't want to operate in a world of Machiavellian sexual manipulation of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 04:57 AM
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"Net male advantage" Toxic, inaccurate feminist ideology. Life in the past sucked for almost everyone. Pointing out how it sucked for women is a cheap trick to make it seem like it didn't also suck for men. At best, feminists might argue that there was maybe a generation and a half where certain benefits of modernity were enjoyed by men first before social structures changed to give women more freedom in that modern environment. This second point about unfettered sexuality is a lie created and e…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 04:54 AM
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So you believe that being against toxic women is "misogyny". Kind of self-identifying as a toxic woman here. There are plenty of women who aren't toxic, but they're bullied, and no one is allowed to support them because they're being predated on by ideologues who are emotionally abusing them for power.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 04:49 AM
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That "other category" is a niche that represents at most 30% of women. If you account for single women, women on SSRIs, and obviously promiscuous or privileged women, you really are only left with 30% of adult dating age women. I mean, good for you all. Are you contributing to a culture that harms other women, or are you being constructive about resisting its more toxic elements?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 04:34 AM
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The "average good girls" who don't experience any of this are really just the less attractive women who aren't invited to the party. I was just talking to someone about how the vast majority of women don't sleep around that much. Your premise would be that they are either too unattractive or too timid to engage in promiscuity, but deep down they have the same desire to do so in theory. I don't know how I feel about that. I honestly don't know what women want, and somewhat believe that women them…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 04:32 AM
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You can't just compare toxic women to toxic men because the way in which they are toxic is different, and each form of toxicity needs to be addressed directly to solve it. This idea that "well if some women are bad some men are too" is just part of toxic women avoiding accountability and preventing other parts of society from supporting disempowered women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 04:24 AM
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Women date guys they like and then their girlfriends bully them into breaking up because "you can do better." This is why men are left with the 80/20 impression IMO. It's toxic women ruining the dating environment for literally everyone else, including most other women. Feminists are predators. They operate on the somewhat accurate premise that many women severely lack power and then literally prey on them by taking advantage of that lack of power and using traumatic emotional manipulation to cr…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 04:22 AM
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Have you never heard about discourse and structural harm. How are individual women supposed to oppose the culture of all of their female peers? They can't, but a lot are withdrawing from society and in the process the toxic women who remain outside blame men for it all. I was doing psychology research at a state university a couple years ago and one of the participants was a freshmen. In the waiting room for the experiment (something about memory and colors and pushing buttons with your initial …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 04:17 AM
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You saying this makes me wonder if it's just a class issue and you have economic class privilege if you don't necessarily have "pretty privilege". There are millions of men and women who are doing very poorly right now and it's sick that your point would be "well I'm doing fine". Let them eat cake I suppose.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 04:11 AM
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Well, most of us men just wish that us putting in effort and being sincere and kind would be what it takes to give a woman more, but it this doesn't seem what most women are missing or need when it comes to men. I think women are attracted to men who offer specific things that are exciting, but then try to convert that situation into a set of other things that are more stable. Which is a little weird, at least it doesn't seem to work out a lot of the time. After 15 years of dating, each time I j…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 02:25 AM
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Yeah, makes sense. I think I was just confused by the grey area between where you're attracted to someone but not enough to put up with their behavior, and it's a grey area of you do like being with them but you could also just be alone and you're like on the edge of going one way or the other. I was thinking more black and white of like, if you're attracted to them, you'll put up with stuff, if you're not, you won't. I wasn't thinking of situations where you're unhappy with a situation, but not…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 02:01 AM
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In reality, I don’t think this happens often because if a man truly desires to go outside of his marriage for sex when his wife desires him and is willing to make changes to please him, then I doubt that is a man who id be sufficiently attracted to ((b)) to ever consider permitting any extramarital relations. When you say sufficiently attractive, it sounds like you're referring to something about his character or vibe. But before that it seems like you were talking about physical attraction beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/25 12:22 AM
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Yeah. I'm with you on this. You made your expectations clear and he broke them. Semantics aside, that's when you dump someone. The issue sort of is we don't have a culture of sexual morality anymore, so there's no reason for a man who is attractive to women to ever be exclusive. You might not date them, but plenty of other women will. I've yet to see any woman actually confront this issue, although of course I've talked to women who admit the preference for this kind of guy plenty of times. I'm …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 11:48 PM
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That's a good point. I do recall many women complaining of doing it once and being devastated and statistically most women don't have that many lifetime sexual partners. I think my brain has been warped reading this sub by the women who insist that women have easy casual sex and so you can't argue against promiscuity or something. I do also agree that very naive young women will easily fall for "that type" without understanding what that type is. The culture that women create around sex is not h…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 11:14 PM
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If you're most men, if a woman is attracted to you is an on/off switch. There's no grey area, and there's nothing you can really do to make someone who's not already into you to become interested. Since women are not attracted to most men, they become very attracted when there is a man they like. In many cases, men will actually clearly communicate their intentions, and in the process of trying to manipulate these men into changing, women will convince themselves that the man's "true" intentions…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 10:57 PM
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Do you say or think anything in your life that isn't a cliche? Women aren't attracted to attitude, they're attracted to looks, money and status. They date drug dealers all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 11:31 PM
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Sister, your small social niche is not reality. It's you being lucky then coming out to a larger group of people and complaining that people are noticing that society is going downhill.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 06:19 PM
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This is a thread about people socializing non-romantically. Oh but look, a fuckton of hysterical cliches instead of conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 04:39 PM
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You say people need help then claim that "most" people live and love in a certain way. But, reality and modern society are like 80% contradictory of what you claim "most" people do. So, maybe you're the one who needs help to confront reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 04:37 PM
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"Valid responses" No I got the exact same response, which is a social cliche I was already aware of, and commenters steering miles clear of the topic I was actually asking about. The fact that you somehow missed that obvious, central piece of the conversation proves that what you wrote is just incorrect. "Women liars" They really don't even know what truth is.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 04:29 PM
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You've grossly misunderstood the situation. First, male sexuality is attracted to physically objective features. It has nothing to do with who is lesser or greater or who has value. That bullshit about social position and status is a woman thing. You're projecting. Second, when men love women, it goes far beyond mere physical attraction, but what women don't understand is that it still requires a physical element. They aren't separate lanes, even if sex isn't always about love. Third, it's women…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 04:23 PM
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He should eat her out if it's something really important to her and he values her and their relationship. Nice try though.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/25 04:17 PM
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men’s room which would keep male employees from hovering over women’s cubicles and peering down their shirts This sounds like textbook hysteria. Elevated emotional distress and disproportionate response to something that exist primarily in a socio-linguistic layer but not as much in reality. And then out of 100 times if this doesn't happen 99 times but happens once, it becomes proof of the socio-linguistic frame that says it happens all day, 50 times a day, all the time, a constant onslaught. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 08:39 PM
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I honestly was expecting a fair mix of impressions. Like a bit of both.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 08:32 PM
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I mean, isn't she basically admitting that American women have created a cultural discourse that's just basically them thinking all men are worthless and pointless? Sorry, I can sympathize with how women are treated. I can take the redpill and begin to believe that women just aren't really that in to men that much. But this idea that women have collectively decided men would serve no purpose in their lives and are universally awful is just a level of insanity. Seriously, get help ladies. We men …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 08:30 PM
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The only problem is women have adapted to be dishonest about their feelings and intentions. I have a couple trans women friends and they talk about "bitch brain" from HRT. They say it feels like saying whatever is socially expedient for them in the moment feels as natural and true as the conclusions of logic and evidence. They say the kind of vestigial male structure of thought in their mind identifies this new mode of thinking as basically lying all the time and not feeling bad about it. We can…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 08:23 PM
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Yes. Women go with the flow, apparently, they don't introspect and they never reflect negatively on their collective social behavior. They live in a pool of cliches, not factual experiences. The posters here seem to be trying to frame personal experience as if it's the same kind of thing as the cliches in the zeitgeist, to somehow earn the right to be welcomed in the sisterhood, and their memories warp and twist to make this happen. They don't actually record in memory what is factually happenin…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 04:51 PM
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Hard agree. I just got through a massive unintended discussion on metoo. It seems that the final standard we're going with on consent issues is that sex should only happen exactly where, when and how a woman wants to have sex. Sounds bad, but I'll explain what I mean. We all know that men and women have different libidos, on average. We also know that relationships are about compromise and obligation to a thing that's greater than either member. Sometimes you have to stay up late with a sick par…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 08:13 AM
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You need to study how men interact with other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 07:59 AM
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Thank you for at least being honest. Your observation is common sense and makes sense with what I have been told from the personal experience of many male peers. But the ladies here seem to think nothing like that was going on. Sorry, it's just confusing and becoming hard to trust different points of view. Do you recall any social changes from this resentment, or was it mostly intellectual?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 07:51 AM
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I honestly think an entire generation of women left basically half the men behind and simply didn't even notice (I mean socially, not even romatically). They don't even seem to realize. Sorry, I shouldn't have come here. I'm out.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 07:48 AM
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I was out of the country at the time and we're all older now, but people don't hang out anymore. They just don't. They make excuses not to. But men still seem to hang out with men, and women with women. Many people are married now, but it's maybe only a little over half. In my peer groups, multiple men have said that women just stopped showing up around 2015 and it never went back. Meanwhile, talking to women, they act like there was no noticeable change. These stories don't add up. For instance…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 07:47 AM
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It's clear to me that women did pick up on a social cue to "see men in a new light" and stop socializing with them, but IRL and in most of the responses in this post I'm getting a sense that few of them were aware that this was an actual thing that they did that changed society and made men and women more lonely. It just amazes me how women do crazy things, life-altering things, just to kind of keep up with cues and then have little self awareness of what they're a part of. -shrug- I was hoping …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 05:16 AM
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Well, the responses in this thread are convincing me that women will do things, big social moves, do it with near uniformity, then act or even think like they don't know what you're talking about, defer to cliches, frame the cliche as if they personally experienced it emotionally. I don't know, I still ask and want to hear what women have to say about dating or social issues, but it doesn't seem to ever tell me anything that just the repeat cliches would have told me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 05:05 AM
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I learned quickly that men who approach women without context react unpredictably to violently when ignored or rejected Did you learn this through extensive experience or is at a thing you have become aware of through stereotypes that you then confirm after one or two anecdotal encounters?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 05:02 AM
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I'm the same age as you, and over half of my peers, my high school graduating class, was unmarried by 35. So, I don't think we had overlapping communities.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 03:26 AM
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Yeah I wasn't in the US either, one reason I'm asking.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 03:24 AM
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Isn't that an easy attitude to have once you're already comfortably married?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 03:12 AM
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Because they were suddenly looking at their fellow men with a new light? Yeah, I mean I think this is the running assumption. It certainly is an example of it “breeded mistrust” However, I hear that your personal experience wasn't you noticing anything like this and overall it was a positive thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 03:09 AM
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So far the answers are more about how these social discourses made them feel about themselves, about men, and so forth. So far no one has recalled a specific change in their socializing decisions, not in a general sense. It's very clear that at the very least 2015 was a kind of revolution for women, that men were more bystanders too. Maybe this created social alienation?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 03:06 AM
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Yeah that's part of it from what I hear. It was also the beginning of the election cycle. It's just, it doesn't seem to explain why men who maybe weren't supporting Trump would be affected. So you didn't feel like a more general retreat from going to events with girlfriends that had lots of non-romantic male peers, who were single? No specific impression of that?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 03:04 AM
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I think the concept was that it became conflated with "nice guy" in that all the non-attractive men who socialized with women were just waiting for their moment of power or something... I don't know. I'm just asking about the effect not the cause.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 03:02 AM
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So you didn't feel any kind of social effect in 2014-15 specifically where girlfriends stopped going to social events with men?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 03:01 AM
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Sorry, that wasn't my question. There's no reason why the frumpy male friend should have anything to do with male authority figures abusing their authority. Why was your experience of metoo that men were finally listening, when my male friends say that their experience of it was that women stopped socializing with men in non-romantic contexts?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/25 03:01 AM
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