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This post is a cope. If you can’t build a life that has potential romantic interactions outside of the dating apps you are in fact the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/24 08:17 PM
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It’s not a market.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 03:38 AM
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So you talk to hear the sound of your own voice or to preach to the choir.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 10:21 PM
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More likely wasn’t what I was saying. Just that promiscuity is still very much a frowned upon thing. Most people aren’t progressive or sex positive.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 10:20 PM
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25 and under. I used to say 21 but I think people are having prolonged childhoods these days (not that this is bad).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 10:09 PM
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When you make a claim it’s with the tacit assumption it is worth making and that you want the other person to consider it. Without sources you’re just saying something—if you want to change the mind of anyone you are speaking to (why else would you comment?) the onus is on you. Otherwise you’re just some guy saying random things. There are lots of those.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 10:08 PM
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Let’s hit that first point about having sex with the physiological response. Men can sustain an erection in terrible situations. It’s often an undesired response- completely devoid of sexual content. After all otherwise it would be impossible for male rape to occur. Given that this is a thing wouldn’t that mean that one could similarly sustain an erection for undesired sex that they’ve chosen to have? What do you think?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 10:04 PM
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I have worked in mental health and tech and have a wide circle of friends. I don’t know what progressive bastion you live in but I know many women who are still very aware of these standards. Are you very young? Do most of your socializing online?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 10:00 PM
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You should source these kind of claims immediately when you state them to save upheld time.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 09:59 PM
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Such cultural foundations are impossible to rip up in the space of a couple generations. Most women are still sensitive to being called a slut and promiscuity is still frequently used as a way to dismiss women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 09:58 PM
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Could applying averages to demographics of people and how you behave towards them ever be harmful or counter productive?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 09:56 PM
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Why do you need to stereotype as broad a group as women?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 09:54 PM
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What is the important fact that this theory would point to if it were true? What is a set of conditions you would accept as proving it false?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 09:53 PM
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People don’t make collective decisions though. When you’re talking about why things happen on a societal or larger scale material analysis is more descriptive than moral or individual analysis. The individual framework is for individual change.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 12:04 PM
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There’s a huge assumption here that parenting style or societal change is what got us into this mess when it’s pretty clear that the culprits are more tangible material conditions. The quickest ways out, the handles to this machine, are going to be changing these conditions not lifestyle projects. Things like changes in the economic makeup of the modern economy, the destruction of the classic community, the rise of algorithmic social media feeds, and dating apps are all much more profoundly inte…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/24 06:06 AM
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Christian Nationalism is behind or attached a ton going wrong in the US right now. They’ve abetted a wannabe dictator and are still a huge part of his base. They’re largely behind the Roe ruling. The alt right simply was absorbed by the larger anti democratic movement in one form or another. Mostly via either the tradwife Christian patriarch or ethnofascist pipelines. These movements have infiltrated law enforcement and have more than a few violent militias and terrorist attacks to their name.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 06:25 AM
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Yeah and also higher domestic violence back then.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 09:22 PM
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I highly recommend the book The Two Income Trap by Elizabeth Warren for a long form nuanced take on this but short answer is yes- and beyond that entry level jobs which led to home ownership were plentiful.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/24 12:21 AM
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What? Why would anyone “date down emotionally”? You could just as easily frame this from the far more easily provable premise that men don’t take their mental health seriously enough. Or that men are lagging in life milestones. Why would you expect people to date men who are likely going to cause them problems? Beyond this analysis of large scale behavior like you see in the male loneliness epidemic needs to be done from an environment first perspective to get any kind of bang for your buck.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 02:16 AM
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That’s wild you think that. There are plenty of conventionally attractive poly people or people in moderately open relationships. And I cannot for the life of me see where self respect comes into it. Monogamy is just one way among many to choose to pattern your relationships, not some one size fits all thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 02:10 AM
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That’s a weird hang up honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 02:03 AM
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This varies from person to person. Poly people exist and like a bit of variety. Not my bag but 🤷.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 01:36 AM
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Boonhauer in KOH would be creepy af irl- family guy kind of hits on this with Quagmire. Barney from How I met your mother gives serial killer vibes.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 03:00 PM
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Watch Baby Reindeer.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 02:58 PM
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Anyone who tells me to be persistent in their pursuit of women who have told them no is batshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/24 02:58 PM
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I’m not mad- I’m just never quite certain what bonkers ass take I’m going to see her next.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 03:31 AM
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Source? I made it the fuck up. This sub is wild man. The fact that this has upvotes at all is proof y’all need to touch grass.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/24 02:32 AM
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I don’t think the point I’m making is all that far from what you’re saying?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/24 04:12 AM
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No, Twitter is indeed special. Nazis with large accounts tend to get banned from most platforms.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 10:28 PM
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Average screen time is 7 hours or so a day and that’s thrown off by people who work in front of screens. Anecdotally most people I know clock about 4 on their phones. The terminal online zone is probably somewhere in the realm of 8 outside of work or 12-15 total.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 10:26 PM
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They’re not for the most part- pretty much every guy I know from 5’8 to 5’11 is “6’0”
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/24 11:44 PM
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Most successful abusers are exceedingly charismatic and can smell a victim from a mile away. There was a study done one sociopaths and they can identify former victims of sexual assault simply from surveillance footage of them walking through a hallways.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 04:20 AM
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Notice he didn’t respond to this lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/24 12:27 AM
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Male virginity and loneliness were definitely not what they are today. I’m 36- i was there and dating at the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 03:35 PM
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Thank you- original point is good in its intent but fails to accept that the male loneliness epidemic isn’t just as simple as male chauvinism being rejected.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 03:34 PM
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That’s fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/24 02:06 AM
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I see it as if you want a world you want to live in- it’s everyone’s responsibility. It ain’t fair but then again what is you know? Teamwork
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 10:32 PM
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I sometimes think people who act like rape is worse than death are a little disrespectful to all the people who overcome it and live full lives. Almost every SA victim I know, and I’ve known many, would prefer to still be alive.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 10:10 PM
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It’s a rhetorical failure though- and I say that as someone who is firmly a feminist. The initial reaction in any man who is say, dealing with loneliness caused by the fact that he literally can’t talk to women outside of dating apps without them shrinking away or outright rejecting them, is going to be to relate what they’ve seen to their own experience. Meanwhile if you so much as mention this possibility people treat it like a gotcha. Earlier yesterday I said that this whole thing feels kind …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/24 10:08 PM
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“Women”- vs. a single anecdote about A woman
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 09:56 PM
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Bro no one ever has been right by when they’ve said oh yeah if you don’t think X group thinks this check this subreddit 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 02:30 PM
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I’d expect someone your age not to use such a silly response as thanks for agreeing with me but beyond that The idea that you do in fact have to bring something positive to a relationship is in no way indicative of the idea that you have to compete with every other male and every memory of men. Relationships are more than just cost/benefit calculations- they have never been that for the vast majority of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 08:50 PM
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Literally not what I said 🤦 How old are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 08:37 PM
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Date different women if they say you have to compete with their present happy life. I have never had a woman say this to me irl ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 04:55 PM
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This is different than the take that all relationships are a competition between you and every other man in the world. Of course you have to positively effect someone’s life to maintain a relationship with them. The only relationship this doesn’t apply to is maybe that between a child and their parent (which is pretty revealing IMO about the origin of this desire for unconditional love in romantic relationships people seem to have.) If you provide nothing as any kind of person you are likely a b…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 04:54 PM
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This is perhaps the most unhealthy attitude towards romantic relationships I’ve ever seen on here and explains a lot about the insecurities rampant in this board.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 02:28 PM
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Being a “beta” or whatever has little to no correlation with how good you are at sex. It’s a skill that you can get better at and which doesn’t correlate 100% to how good looking you are. That said as many other people pointed out about the post you’re referencing- OP needs therapy. While it’s normal to have a negative reaction to the news that you’re not the best in bed it is not normal to break off an engagement and move states over it. Sex is a single facet of the relationships we build. It’s…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 12:10 PM
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From a normal guy- non red pill- I know it’s maybe not as bad as the fear of physical violence but it can still feel very alienating and hurtful to be viewed as a danger by people. Like I love children but me waving at a smiling child often doesn’t get the reception I think it would get from a woman. Or just randomly talking to strangers I feel like I can only approach other men. idk there are like a bunch of little things that accumulate?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/24 07:37 AM
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Wanted to add too that it makes the man extremely unattractive- it shows cruelty, laziness and a lack of respect if a man doesn’t pull his weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 03:02 PM
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Source
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 03:00 PM
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It will most of the time though. The actual case where a woman isn’t attracted to their long time partner is rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/24 03:00 PM
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This is what happens when you internalize the idea that nature without rationality has a purpose
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/24 03:07 AM
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An observational study is a specific type of study and OP is right that it’s more important than survey data. For all we know this survey data could have very little impact on what happens in the real world. That is often the case with survey data. I’m going to look into this when I get off work to see what there is out there but dismissing OPs evidentiary demands off hand isn’t helping too change their minds, especially when they have a good point.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/24 03:30 PM
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These aren’t the same people. A lot of abusers are very good at hiding who they are. The people here aren’t or they wouldn’t be here.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/24 04:09 PM
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While this seems intuitively true many studies have replicated the finding that women are less concerned with physical attractiveness than men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/24 11:34 PM
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Your username alone proves you’re not ready to be a father.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/24 06:43 PM
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The amount of people commenting and writing posts about what having a child is like with no kids is insane to me. Most of y’all never gonna be a father so shut up.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/24 11:52 PM
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I’m glad you got something from it :) A masculinity they don’t fit into can mean a lot of things really. A big thing I see is gentle and sensitive men struggling to exist in a world where being a man is often associated with being assertive and skilled in violence. I think of this a lot with the Jordan Peterson quote I see bandied around a lot "A harmless man is not a good man. A good man is a very dangerous man who has that under voluntary control" Which is absolutely bananas. This sort of male…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/24 12:36 AM
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The majority of people are pairing with people with similar SMVs for long term relationships imo. Women’s standards haven’t gone up necessarily but the average personality of the men around them has suffered along with a variety of other factors from economics to mental health. This means that since you can get casual sex at a swipe that these men bringing very little to the table. This is exacerbated by the existence of echo chambers for these men that actively lower their SMVs by encouraging m…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 10:36 PM
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All of these people are fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 04:14 AM
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Not really- if you want to learn about a subject or organize around a subject you don’t need to constantly argue on the internet. There are other subs for that- like this one and there is actual study for that which is more effective than debates which are structured on winning and losing. Debate is not an effective tool for changing minds.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 12:47 AM
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I mean there are spaces for performative debate and spaces where people go to discuss common interests- the two do not overlap and that’s fine. No one wants to field the same argument from the passing sea lion over and over. Especially if you have a polarizing viewpoint the same people with no lives just show up over and over to “debate”
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 09:52 PM
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No one would ever frame it that way in a documentary because it’s not the goal of doing these things- or rather it can’t be. The only way to undertake the work successfully is to not do it for the sake of getting laid or finding another person who’s going to somehow fix your life. You can have anxiety over these things, that’s normal, but planning your self improvement around the desires of another extremely distorts any self awareness you have immediately. It’s like starting a boating trip out …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/24 08:55 AM
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The added element is that they don’t want to self improve in the way that matters actual painful self inventory and likely therapy. They want it to be money and the gym plus pickup lines or they want it to be hopeless. I know this ego response. It’s the I’m brilliant and no one else can see it approach to social dynamics.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 03:32 PM
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No- there’s an ethical issue with treating individuals as if you can apply generalizations to them because of their identity. If you applied your reasoning to dealing with racial monitories no one would entertain this line of thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 12:13 AM
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Because you’re talking about individuals- you can’t hold individuals responsible for your, frankly wrong, assumptions about women as a monolith. There is no running score.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 09:49 PM
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Love how you ran right past the most important points to strawman a brief portion lol
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 09:44 PM
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Or as likable
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 03:48 AM
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The issue with the ‘so ugly that you have no shot’ thing is that it almost doesn’t exist. I’m pretty sure Thomas Merrick could have gotten laid if he’d tried hard enough and all of the ugliest people I know have been in multiple relationships. I’m convinced that in terms of finding a long term relationship physical attractiveness is almost always a smaller barrier than the deep psychological dysfunction you see in a lot of folks around here- and it’s something that’s getting worse for men genera…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 12:25 AM
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I’ll look into this and get back with you- got caught up
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/24 09:41 PM
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Ah i Can see by your comparison you aren’t worth my time.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/24 09:36 PM
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Simply untrue- average perception of homosexuality in the west is positive
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/24 09:10 PM
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According to a survey conducted amongst male adults in Great Britain in May 2023, respondents aged 18 to 29 years were the age group most likely to have a positive opinion of social media personality Andrew Tate. Overall, 14 percent of respondents belonging to this age group held a very favorable opinion of Tate, whilst 13 percent held a somewhat favorable opinion. Favorability of Tate declined with age, and male Brits aged 50 to 59 years were the most likely to have a very unfavorable view of h…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/02/24 02:04 AM
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I know that- i don’t need to convince you- the shit you said is so terminally online and uneducated on the actual subject people have spent their entire lives studying and improving that you, to me, fall somewhere between sad and ignorant. An internet comment isn’t going to do anything to undo whatever independent “study” you’ve subjected yourself to.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 09:36 PM
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I know right? It’s simple and completely decimated the reductive nonsense last guy said.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 09:29 PM
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Being high functioning won’t even get you a diagnosis in most medical circles anymore precisely because it’s not a hard set disability and there are huge leaps being made by patients as the attention towards this has grown. Clinicians hesitate to give people this diagnosis because it often hampers improvement more than it helps. A lot of developmental disorders behave similarly. I expect some day we’ll be splitting ASD into like five different things but there’s so little initiative to step away…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 08:06 PM
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I’m living proof everything you just said is false.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 08:01 PM
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As someone who has autism- this learned helplessness in this sub genuinely pisses me off because I put SO much time in to fighting the tendency to assume I have some objective higher ground awareness of the world. I realize it’s a spectrum and I’m higher up on it functioning wise but at what point are people expected to work on themselves?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 04:46 PM
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“These creatures “ lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/24 03:24 PM
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The focus on relationships being transactional at all is the issue. With love you get what you want or you move on. You communicate where you want change and maybe it happens or maybe it doesn’t but you have to accept relationships on their own terms- they cannot for the most part be put through a rigorous cost benefit analysis. Less brain more heart.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 08:30 PM
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I just don’t think those are common beliefs to exist in one person. I do believe women tend to have some solidarity with each other and understand better how sexism impacts them than how it impacts men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 02:28 AM
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These two beliefs are actually two separate camps of feminism with older second wavers believing that it’s impossible for women to have any agency- it’s not a popular belief to have. Modern feminism is pretty sex positive and it’s one of the reasons the term ‘sex worker’ had caught on like it has.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 02:07 AM
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It’s common enough unfortunately.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 09:34 PM
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People prefer to be approached in settings where they and the other party have a common goal or interest and where they put themselves in that setting knowing they were going to be socializing. Dating apps have become popular simply because everyone is atomized and mostly don’t have a life outside of their phone and close relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 05:26 PM
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That’s pretty rare tbf
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 03:55 PM
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It enhances a lot depending on how shittily you take care of yourself already.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 03:54 PM
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Honestly it’s much easier to bathe , get in shape, and dress better than to process some of the horrendous mental health issues I see in the Red Pill Community. This is why I’ve known a lot of dudes who have the same attitude but get laid a lot. Cause no one wants to be with them once the initial physical attraction and novelty wear off.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 03:04 AM
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I fail to see the difference. All attraction is in the other parties mind. You cannot coerce attraction from a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 03:01 AM
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Keep Waffle House out your mouth fancy
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 12:38 AM
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I never said there was anything inherently destructive about sex- simply that the decision to breed is one that can be managed by rationality if the situation calls for it. If you will not be afforded the opportunity to breed in your lifetime that is not societies or women’s problem. You have the rational ability to limit the scope of your engagement to those things which are in your control. You have a responsibility to do so if you’re to be a moral person in this instance. I do have other reco…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 07:27 PM
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Nah
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 11:56 PM
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You’re right- For high functioning individuals you often see a concentration in high intelligence fields like engineering and programming but there are portions of the IQ test that Autism hurts you on which would suppress your score. I was just going off of what I’ve seen working in tech where practically everyone is on the spectrum.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 01:11 PM
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It would seem like one but it’s not so straight forward. The issue with this philosophical stance is the separation of man and by extension rationality from nature. Nature has made humans capable of rational thought. Through rationality we reach natures purpose and we arrive at the idea of individual agency. We have seen that through rationality we have also, little by little, sublimated many of humankind’s most destructive behaviors. Go back far enough and your average human was a murderous lec…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 01:06 PM
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And I have a third determination- the higher your IQ the more likely you’re autistic and unable to properly assess social situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/24 01:20 AM
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Yeahhhhhhh - no
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 11:06 AM
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It’s not quite as simple as ‘violent men’ are more attractive, if that’s what you’re implying.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 03:15 AM
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It’s not quite so simple. The very existence of these “negative” inheritable traits is from the greatest leap forward in evolution any species has ever had- civilization. Hominids began to care for their sick and elderly. Then humans began to self domesticate by killing violent and antisocial elements in their communities. There are a lot of negative pressures from this but they are outweighed by massive benefits gained from group cohesion and organization. Essentially development to the mind an…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 12:03 AM
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By that logic the be fruitful and multiply crowd would have long ago outbred the 2.5 kids crowd. They haven’t and won’t because no matter what you do to try to indoctrinate your kids into your worldview they will find what works for them instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 11:57 PM
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And I was just trying to explain the issue with the naturalistic fallacy. You’d be surprised how often I encounter otherwise rational people who think we should defer to Evo psych for how to behave. But yeah for most people romantic relationships are extremely important.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 07:04 PM
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The entire existence of civilization is us doing that. Rape? Totally natural and increases breeding. Pedophilia? It’s completely natural to breed as soon as you can procreate. Assigning causality to random factors? Positive evolutionary impact yet we are becoming less superstitious not more. The fact that people don’t always manage to avoid base animal instinct is not a point for your argument because if you follow your logic to it’s natural conclusion you find yourself sharing a cell with the u…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 06:48 PM
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Lol bro just say you don’t have any friends that are women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 06:38 PM
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Or the risk of violence associated with hooking up with strangers.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 06:36 PM
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This is a teleological view of purpose which assigns a “purpose” to nature. Most people’s view isn’t that nature has a purpose that we must adhere to and even if it did you could just as easily value the natural capacity for rational reasoning in humans as being above the blind breeding drive of the animal body.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 06:35 PM
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Even better
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 05:10 PM
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I feel we’re probably overestimating the extent to which fathers still control this but for sure , in any case, you’d have to put in some time. I think it would help most of the folks here though anyways. A lot of people I see here are accidental nihilists who need a moral philosophy given to them because otherwise they’d default to the prominent attitudes of modern materialistic society.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 05:08 PM
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That’s really weird honestly. I’ve seen it maybe five times and some of those folks aren’t even religious. Maybe it’s an American thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 05:02 PM
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And you’re basing this on? I know a lot of people who have done this and a lot of folks who haven’t. If I had to guess folks who would like it (not require it) are probably like 10% of the population conservatively but I can’t find numbers so it’s really hard to shake out.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 04:52 PM
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In an ultra cult like one sure. But I grew up Baptist and shuffled around a lot. Presbyterians, Baptists, and Pentecostals are all so welcoming and just the community alone would put most of the guys here at a much higher chance of partnering through shared interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 04:44 PM
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I read the Bible and it awakened the love of Jesus in me. I joined this church looking for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 04:40 PM
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It’s still generally expected by a lot of people. My father in law sort of hinted he would have liked me to do that and he’s a JW.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 04:38 PM
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On top of this most of the men here would benefit from religion. It doesn’t even have to be a conservative church. Literally any church would fix 90% of their problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 04:37 PM
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I converted is something Christians love to here.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 04:36 PM
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Objectification refers to being treated as an object by someone else- if you’re making the decision to engage in sex work you aren’t objectifying yourself. In fact you can consume pornography without objectifying a person. It’s in how you treat the sexual material.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 03:17 AM
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Bro idk about where you’re at but we don’t need to make new guns. Lol As the saying goes “God didn't make men equal, Samuel Colt did. “
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 03:12 AM
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Guns exist
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 02:52 AM
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If either population collectively decided that it would end the world. Guns exist and bullets don’t care about your gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/02/24 02:52 AM
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You’re just going to have to try and find out 🤷
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 11:43 PM
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Have you considered this dense logical formula for why I can be a scum bag though? I’m totally a human being and not a sentient bag of tumors.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 11:14 PM
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True- I was mostly speaking from an inertia perspective (like I don’t mean I’m a badass just that I’m hard to move, I’m a pussycat) No one wants to kidnap me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 11:07 PM
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I don’t know what you’re talking about. Have you ever actually tried to forcibly move a human being? I’ve had to corral Alzheimer’s patients and I’m a big guy, still could barely manage it. I’m like 260. Even if you knocked me out what are you going to do? Drag me? This is why cops work in large groups. Edit: the second place rule is something I’ve heard from people in law enforcement- the logic is that if you let them take you to a second place you will no longer have a chance to resist.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 10:57 PM
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For sure I’ll be shitting myself, I’ve been in that situation before and I peed a little, but it’s a basic rule that you don’t let someone take you to a second location. If I were rich sure- but you ain’t getting a ransom with me so what would you want lol. I don’t want to know bro just kill me here.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 10:49 PM
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You’re not kidnapping me with a gun- you’ll shoot me with a gun but you’re sure as shit not getting me to a second location and you better be ready to pull that trigger cause one of us is getting shot lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 10:45 PM
3

Yeah I keep mine like that now but I do most of my own auto work.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 05:22 PM
12

This is precisely how I’ve met every single person I’ve ever dated and my wife. Skill issue essentially.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 01:23 PM
2

Go then and compete. 🤷 There’s no political solution to the things you believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 01:06 PM
0

Skill issue
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 12:41 PM
-1

Nah. I’m just built different
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 12:41 PM
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Good point. Breaking the lugs is hard and in some situations I’ve had to literally kick the damn tool. There are certainly logical reasons why there’s more of a reason to stop for a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 12:39 PM
2

No one is telling you to ignore anyone. Attention isn’t a zero sum game.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 12:38 PM
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There’s a lot of different things here all with different causes. Male SA played for laughs is a huge issue but a lot of recent men’s lib stuff is doing a good job of addressing it. It’s becoming far less common than it used to be. Women are more targeted than men as the victims of crime. The reason men are more likely to be victims of violence has less to do with direct targeting and more to do with behaviors which fall under the ideals of classical masculinity taken to extremes - pissing conte…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 05:05 AM
1

Not really- who you are is much much more than your genes.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/24 04:55 AM
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Wild comment
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 09:22 PM
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Would they change your mind on anything? Because you literally just cited a hypothetical where provided with sources you decided divorce rates randomly invalidated them? Are we moving off that idea?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 09:21 PM
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You’re moving the goal posts here. Emotional intelligence has little to do with success in a marriage where people change over time and have a wide variety of other pressures which are likely to drive up divorce rates. The context of this entire debate has to do with how the majority of women can tell they are being lied to when betas try to pretend to be manly men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 09:16 PM
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I’m speaking from an empirical basis (I can give you studies if you want)- you’re talking about anecdotes. Not to mention that sociopaths are not your average manipulators but highly intelligent attuned ones. This is like saying that men aren’t stronger than women because a female MMA fighter can kick my ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 07:48 PM
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Anyone can do that to anyone- the existence of exceptions doesn’t preclude the norm. There’s a dirty of data demonstrating that women in general are more perceptive about people. They are culturally conditioned to be this way either to avoid the danger of angering men or to be better mothers and caregivers.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 07:38 PM
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The fact that some people are fooled doesn’t change the fact that in general women are more attuned to things like facial expression and emotion. In fact half the issues with the people who post here are from them wanting to turn dating into a mechanistic transaction, indicating their low emotional intelligence.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 07:36 PM
1

In short don’t try to be someone you’re not and you’ll be more successful
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/24 07:35 PM
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You’re right it’s really helping all these obviously successful and happy individuals who subscribe to this ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 02:28 AM
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No my claim is you have to enter individual encounters without trying to apply generalized patterns because it’s unhelpful. I agree with you on there being larger patterns but sociology is not a science you can apply to day to day life unless you are applying large scale systemic interventions.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 02:23 AM
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So what? You’re not Chad, I’m not Chad. Get over it and move on to what you can control.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 02:19 AM
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There’s really no overlap between what I’ve said here and you’ve said at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 02:18 AM
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I don’t really think anything can ever convince me because the fundamental move that red pillars make from describing general trends in romantic outcomes to using these trends to justify their current situation is NEVER warranted. There are far too many confounding factors to ever use sociological data in the way they are trying to use it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 01:33 AM
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How am I not surprised you’re ableist? 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 01:32 AM
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There is no statistical fact that can justify an ideological approach to INDIVIDUAL relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 01:16 AM
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A clear and feasible plan does not exist without first addressing the mental health issues at the base of these men’s need for clear and concise rules and answers. The variance in individual humanity is such that you will never find a maximal approach that can be applied generally and every man has to create his own version of courting. You cannot min/max life and if anyone tells you you can they are trying to hurt you.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 01:12 AM
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Autism is so much at the root of this and it really makes me sad as someone who didn’t get a handle on genuine socialization until I was nearly 30 due to my late life diagnosis. Everything was formulas, rules, and jargon. People were objects or puppets pulled about by strings that I was somehow free from in all of my “logical” glory. Nothing is worse for the autist than being intelligent enough to justify his lack of emotional intelligence.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 01:09 AM
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Have you tried not being a misogynist is way deeper than people here are willing to understand. If you can’t purge yourself of the resentment and inability to humanize women as being the same as you then you can never properly relate. All socialization becomes stilted or disingenuous. No relationship is ever equal but is always transactional. It’s a mind virus.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 01:05 AM
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The issue is thinking you HAVE to be hot in the first place. It’s a defeatist ideology. The real actionable advice I think very few of these guys can accomplish is divorcing yourself from goal oriented dating and establishing regular meaningful social ties with women. The moment you enter a social situation with a goal you’ve lost. This isn’t true of everyone but it’s true of people who have to wear a mask. If you have a goal you will always come off as a creep IMO. I consider myself to have a g…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 01:03 AM
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Broooooooo- Pop Culture Detective is amazing, his video on portrayal of male SA for laughs changed how I engaged with my own masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 05:35 PM
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Yeah that’s always been off putting to me- it’s mirrored in successful sleazeballs too hopping from one young adult to the next (if not worse). I don’t understand it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 09:24 AM
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Says something about the raw deal men have been given in terms of defining themselves right? Like we should be valued for more than our economic contribution but most of us can’t think of an identity that isn’t defined by it. I’ve now made myself sad lol Feels like a long shot but I hope everyone can create a better culture around fatherhood. It’s amazing and I love my kid so much. I try to match everything my wife does for our little one , and I know I’m not just an income source.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 08:12 AM
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Whoa there. We’ve run into very long response territory I’ll try to pick a specific thing to reply to then let’s go from there. The first assumption is where you lose me. I didn’t “assume” that patriarchy has a major influencing force. I’ve studied the history of many of the components of it and thought about how they have changed over time. It’s a very complicated subject for certain but whether it’s your opinion that we’ve separated from historical patriarchy and it’s effects enough or whether…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 07:52 AM
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I think it’s because actual parenting is viewed as an extension of domestic labor predominantly assumed by the mother. 50s dad drinks a bourbon in his study, spanks the errant child, and dispenses short nuggets of wisdom.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 03:09 AM
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Domestic labor is the exchange that a house husband / wife makes for the labor value of being supported. Pay is what’s needed to survive and the providers essentially paying them in room and board. That aside because again this isn’t my point and we’re drifting. I’ve not moved any goal posts. Simply put your comparison doesn’t work- no one would say paying the bills is parenting. It’s a precondition of parenting. Fathering in parenting is seen by most people in things like dispensing practical w…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 03:06 AM
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The overwhelming majority of men are not sole providers for a household. So I don’t know what that’s about. It’s certainly an expectation that you be able to keep your family safe financially but there’s only like a 8% difference between the genders in workforce participation rate and that’s even smaller than it sounds because women live longer and make up about 5% more of the retiree population. (US) Meanwhile I meet dudes all the time who have their wives doing the majority of domestic labor a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 03:00 AM
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Yes? Are you allergic to my point? Edit: I realized this is mostly untrue as well because domestic labor, the expected role of house husbands/ wives is in fact work.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 02:50 AM
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Conventions are another good one, and hobbyist groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 02:48 AM
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None of this really connects with what I’ve said. No one thinks having a job is fathering even if they think fathers should provide financially for the family more than the mother( a misandrist idea). Must folks seem to think domestic labor and handling everyone’s emotional needs is mothering, really it’s just parenting. See what I mean. One of these is a role the other is the basic thing that you have to do if you don’t want to be homeless (work)
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 02:46 AM
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I’ve never seen a man criticized for that but also these aren’t the same thing. Wanting someone to provide for you financially is pretty much universal. I expect my SO to work unless I’m rich- most other people do regardless of gender. If you don’t want to work then you aren’t making the other person approximate the role of father because that’s not a very important part of that role anymore. The two income household is the rule for most people. Those people are just gold digging, and hey that’s…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 02:25 AM
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I reckon it’s a combination of the word woman being more cumbersome and the prevalence of men who are looking for a woman to be their second mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 02:06 AM
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Want to expand on that?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 02:05 AM
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Honestly you didn’t even approach responding to anything I’ve said here. You can’t blame broad groups of people like men or women for their actions. That’s nonsense. That’s how you talk about individuals not 50% of the population. Group behavior is a matter of historical forces. When people say patriarchy they are talking about just such a historical force.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/24 02:04 AM
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It’s a common mistake people make. Individual events require individual analysis. Collective population issues require systemic solutions. One can never say that a group as broad as men or women is bad without revealing that they possess a misanthropic worldview.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 07:35 PM
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https://nypost.com/2023/05/01/i-have-a-micropenis-this-is-how-i-have-sex/amp/ A micropenis is not a death sentence for your sex life.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 07:30 PM
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Noooooo let them generalize 😭
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 07:27 PM
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You sound fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 07:27 PM
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I’d say even if it were true it wouldn’t bash men anyways. Societal trends are never inherent to the group itself that’s a useless position to take, instead ask what society could change to effect a different outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 07:26 PM
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The patriarchy as it’s preoccupied with power makes demands of men. In a sense it’s function demands a set of cultural values. Why it does this is actually kind of complicated I suppose right? I think it’s a sort of anxiety since being in power above someone. It means you have to mentally justify it somehow. Similar to how racists during slavery had to create reasons why black people were inferior. So you start with original old school patriarchy and as an effect you wind up with an unhealthy ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 05:35 PM
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The draft, the expectation to be unemotional, homophobia, the alienation from women, domestic violence and rape against men not being taken seriously, the emphasis on competition against other men, lack of physical intimacy, etc etc etc
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 05:21 PM
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It’s not that hard of a term and it hurts men quite a bit as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 05:15 PM
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Patriarchy doesn’t mean that women don’t have an enforcing role in it. It means that the dominant position of control is one that is held by men. Anymore it’s referring to the attempt to return to or keep that standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 04:52 PM
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I defer back to the “your partner isn’t your therapist” thing. Still it’s always going to have to be judged on a case by case basis. I would say though, if you have extreme trauma you cannot reasonably expect an SO to guide you through that. The line between medical intervention and social support is blurred but I find taking full responsibility for my own mental health has always been the best case scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 02:53 AM
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I’m not certain how to approach this comment. I’ve never been in an abuse relationship to be clear. But I have for example been in a relationship where any mention of a girls ex put me in a bad mood. To which she said “God you’re so insecure. Grow up!” I was 20- and she was right. Was it nice? No. But people are allowed to be angry and it’s not some huge violation.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 02:51 AM
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I’m glad if you’ve never encountered it but every person I’ve ever been with we’ve done this to each other to one extent or another. I’ve also seen it many times in other peoples relationships. This is just a fact of life for most people I’ve known. It’s why you should heal if you can before entering a relationship because the other person cannot heal you, that’s not their job.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 02:49 AM
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It’s wrong- tolerance comes down to the context though. For instance without being controlling your insecurity can still end up being something which saps the fun out of a relationship, turning the SO into a free therapist. It’s a very common dynamic women find themselves in with men playing the son / patient role. This issue is true of pretty much all our hangups no matter what your gender is. They don’t have the power to refuse you over and over without violating the mutual affection the relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 02:38 AM
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I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 02:14 AM
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You’re literally deferring to “predictable behavior” with no actual sources outside of your supposed rational reasoning. But you call me a pseud? How do you think we confirm claims about reality?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 02:05 AM
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It’s possible he was potentially clingy or needed too much reassurance and needed to do internal work before pursuing a relationship. It’s also possible she was a piece of crap and he’s better off. Still if you don’t love yourself you’re not going to get that from someone else. You have to grow past that before entering any relationship IMO.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 02:03 AM
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Appeals to nature have no logical backing unless you have data.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 02:01 AM
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Defaulting to armchair evolutionary psychology is not a strong position no matter how much people want it to be. Humans have rationality which overrides these behaviors much of the time. This is the entire project of civilization.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 01:59 AM
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Insecure is generally used as an insult where insecurity is the primary cause for a shitty behavior. If I for instance don’t let my wife have male friends without throwing a tantrum it’s correct for her to point at my insecurity as a problem- as adults we are responsible for our own mental health.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 01:57 AM
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Expand on these instances.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 01:56 AM
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I know all women and can safely say that this is only something that about 48% of women do (in the USA). The issue is people dating the wrong women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 01:55 AM
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Idk- I think I average, disgustingly, 4-6 hours screen time a day. I’m not sure how much of that is Reddit. But I’ve got kids a full time job and a lot of hobbies, plus an active social life. As far as shitting on people goes I see just as many, probably more, red pillers doing the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 12:38 AM
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Most normies are here because they want to save these horrible misled men- but in practice when people say disgusting sexist shit it gets to be an angering environment which in itself is pretty addictive.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 12:14 AM
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What’s the total size of the sub compared to the sample size- just curious because there’s a set number that’s considered representative enough to make larger inferences about a population. Edit: also who knows how many “users” are just inactive accounts or sock puppets.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 12:12 AM
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Based
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 12:05 AM
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The large ideological drift of men towards right wing ideologies is a good example IMO. Edit: statistically speaking men are becoming more right wing and diverging from the positions of women by a large margin.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 12:04 AM
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Yeah this is a frequent issue that pisses me off with online autists who act like it’s a death sentence. It’s so offensive. I spent years working on social skills and thinking through what it was about my presentation which put people off and most of these people I see complaining are obviously high functioning but just have no desire to work on it from a skills standpoint. Back in the day they wouldn’t have had these doomer communities to pat them on the back for giving up.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 12:03 AM
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Careful! you might completely undo the logic of 99% of the posts on this sub
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 04:00 PM
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Honestly this is completely the realm of academic psychology which you don’t seem to have studied at all so I don’t think anyone should take this post seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/24 05:43 PM
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Language is the main answer- human language is orders of magnitude more complex than any animal language - once you change your operating system to human language you gain the ability to modify your behavior more meta cognition increases this.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 07:17 PM
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You’ve largely moved past the context in which we’re applying this framework which is the important part of this discussion. Lumping is good for cultural anthropology- not for guiding your dating life.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 12:55 AM
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Humans display a wider variety of behaviors than any other animal.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/24 12:51 AM
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This indicates a lack of sufficiently deep engagement with other people. Humans are intensely unique and if you are trying to use a generalized approach you are committing an immoral act since every person deserves a right to make their own impressions and be their own person.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 07:34 PM
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If you are talking about interpersonal relationships splitters are always correct. Lumpers are always alienating themselves from the unquantifiable properties of individual experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 07:22 PM
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You’re dating the wrong people. I’ve literally never encountered any of that. I don’t know where you guys find these misandrists at unless you’re all like old men or something. Overwhelming majority of women in my age group are pretty progressive.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/24 01:46 AM
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Men are the ones holding on to traditionalism about men though. Most women don’t really give a shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/24 11:01 PM
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I personally don’t sacrifice my principals for anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 04:12 AM
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It’s just immoral.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/24 03:55 AM
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Bro no, living with someone is a serious step and not something anyone should do unless they are considering a lifetime relationship (from a monogamous perspective that is).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 05:15 PM
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That wouldn’t be on this sub if they were successful.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 05:09 PM
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That makes zero sense
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 02:25 PM
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Most people aren’t festival goers to be fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 04:24 AM
2

They aren’t but 🤷
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 03:45 AM
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If I was comfortable sending pictures of people I know I could prove you wrong in a moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 03:28 AM
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You have really no way of determining they are outliers and your characterization of these couples is based on? Idk.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 02:52 AM
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Subjective- but I never chased women I didn’t find attractive. That said if you are an “ugly” man then you definitively needs to be okay with dating women who are in your “league”. You might hit the lottery of landing the TV and movie portrayed pretty girl but given that those kinds of people make up a vanishingly small portion of the population it’s likely that people who chase them are being harmed by socialized notions of beauty.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 02:49 AM
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Nah I am or was ugly af (recessive chin, kind of fat) was jobless, a pot smoking couch surfer with a busted grill, barely showered and still had five serious relationships over a 8 or so year period. I did play guitar and think I was gonna be famous lol. I’m kind of funny I guess. I knew a guy who worked at a tire shop with a straight up pizza face that was like 5’6”- man got more ass than a toilet seat and thought he was gods gift to women. The thing about the defeatist attitude the pill commun…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 02:41 AM
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I know so many ugly guys who get laid on the reg try again. For context I had pull back when I had a mouth full of black jagged teeth and no front teeth.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 02:33 AM
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Tbf Male sexuality and general virility has been viewed as an accomplishment throughout history.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 02:29 AM
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Source on this? I’ve known a lot of casual sex fans and most do it outside of that environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 02:28 AM
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The huge hog curse is real lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/24 06:02 PM
1

Under their pay grade?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 04:08 PM
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Have you been to this sub lol
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 06:45 PM
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He’s real I promise you- and I’m his big little brother, burly, tall and at least nominally manly. Never as successful with women as him though.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 05:45 AM
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It becomes a self perpetuating cycle for nearly every person I’ve seen here.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/23 04:04 AM
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I just wanted to jump in with an observation that is far less toxic than “women love violent men because they are violent”- not what OP necessarily meant but what many in the comments are saying. Let’s take what we do know- testosterone production in the womb is predictive of criminality (Anderson 2019) Or “Theoretically, males have been selected for resource acquisitiveness as a result of female preferences for mates who are successful at resource provisioning. “ (Hoskin 2014) Keep in mind that…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 08:22 PM
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The vast majority of men could have a ton of sex if they wanted. Those who can’t are a pretty small minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 07:55 PM
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That’s not surprising considering one of the largest predictors of criminality is impulse control.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 07:52 PM
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It’s a huge green flag if someone is good with children imo because it shows they are a strong communicator with patience and high empathy. People who dislike children are almost always self centered
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 07:51 PM
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Your issue here is the IRL bit- dating apps have an asymmetric looks based relationship because you can’t deal with intangible- it’s just butcher store window. I know plenty of dudes with tons of pull who would think they were irredeemably ugly if they used those disgusting ass apps. My brother is 5’4” and gets more ass than anyone I know. Why? He’s funny, kind, and has a vulnerability to him that attracts a certain kind of chick.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 07:49 PM
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Rightfully. Point was that the use of the language of therapy is both problematic AND everywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 05:28 PM
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For sure- part of the issue is just current material conditions. We are part of the first generations who are experiencing declines in standards of living in the global north- the overall issue in mass shootings and stochastic terrorism in North America is a mental health one. Inceldom is just a facet of that mental health crisis. A lot of this is downstream of capitalist atomization imo. It turns everything into markets. Attention? There’s a market for that. Dating? There’s a market in the apps…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 06:55 PM
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I mean a lot of men used the language of ‘boundaries’ to defend Jonah Hill’s behavior. It’s not just in this situation it’s everywhere. Narcissists and toxic people and all that bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 05:38 PM
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Found quite a few in the last year, most thwarted and a few successes. Texas mall shooter was active in incel forums and that was May. A broader sociological approach to the problem would link inceldom to larger pattern of online spaces used by mentally ill, often younger, men. This ties into a network of media figures and the overall mental health epidemic.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 05:33 PM
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Incel terrorists are definitely real and violence driven by those communities are an issue worth combating. I’m not aware of any panic about it though.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 03:59 PM
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Men are violent because of social conditioning and some biological factors. Does anyone actually think lack of sex comes into it?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/23 03:57 PM
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This is classic black and white thinking (autism?) There will never be a hard rule, get over it. Learn to read social cues. Life isn’t black and white. Obviously whether or not the woman you’re approaching perceives you as attractive will effect whether or not they want you to approach them. Almost no women will react well to being told they’re smoking hot by a stranger.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/23 05:47 PM
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Conditions during a natural disaster are not indicative of anything larger than that. There’s no large scale statistical proof of what you’re saying. I fully expect climate change to cause the end of civilization but there’s nothing right now that you can point to and say ‘look collapse’. Soon enough there will be.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 10:03 AM
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This is ridiculous- nothing like that is more common today than it was twenty years or thirty years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/23 09:44 AM
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Could be the online thing for sure. Plus it could have to do with something that you particularly find physically attractive. Definitely isn’t exactly like my experience. I have noticed that a lot of very attractive women (by conventional standards) are constantly sexualized and that this can have a really negative impact on their mental health leading to impulsive or self destructive behaviors. It’s a burden for sure. For instance I’ve known a couple of women with large breasts who got the redu…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 04:59 AM
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Sounds like you’re seeing patterns in noise and those patterns are probably more projection than you realize. 🤷 Or maybe your idea of green flags is self selecting for plain looking women idk.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 04:46 AM
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Most people end up dating the same kind of person over and over in one way or another- the example was intentionally hyperbolic in case you’re just being super literal. There are really interesting complex reasons for this but it’s a lot to get into.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 04:33 AM
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You’re really just talking about yourself here. Haven’t you ever noticed when people are like “man I really can pick them” on their fifth sociopathic conman boyfriend? There’s a reason for that. You sound like you may have some issues around how you see potential romantic partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 04:25 AM
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Your is true and I’ve met people of all kinds of groups who have this version of internalized sexism or racism and I think it’s more sad than it is a mark on their character. One of my best friends who’s black once told me he’s “not like other black people” and man that just bummed me right out.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 09:07 PM
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High risk for what?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 09:04 PM
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Cannot tell if this a joke or serious because that’s the people in this sub 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 09:04 PM
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That’s fine and all, people are generally insecure, but the overall point many are making here is that people can just have friends of the opposite sex and it doesn’t have to be some weird thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 09:02 PM
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Nowhere in what I said was just ‘looked at’ mentioned.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/23 05:04 AM
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I feel like we’re dancing around the word objectification cause that’s really the underlying issue here. Everyone likes to be thought of as desirable and attractive. However consent also exists. When you sexualize someone without their consent or commit the micro aggression of ogling them as if you were a mindless animal you are exiting the space of what most People want and causing discomfort. For most people this is an easy line to see. However many people in this group deal in black and white…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/23 12:00 AM
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He gave a pretty thorough description of what happened and likely a self serving one given that he’s the one telling the story.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 01:44 PM
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The man used the word grope to describe having his arm isolated. “Went nuts” and sucker punched someone full force during a sparring session because grappling triggered his “homo alarm”. Sure my man. I’m the one with a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 01:12 AM
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Ehhh given the state of the political conversation around groomers and teachers…. Let’s just say there are quite a few people who seriously believe this.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 08:07 PM
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Social workers? I work in the field and I’ve known very few shitheads. Most of them are underpaid and overworked trying to hold society together and make sure marginalized people get Justice.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 08:05 PM
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Anyone who just wants to make people happy is usually cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 08:04 PM
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This denotes a high level of insecurity about either your masculinity or your sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 08:03 PM
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That’s weird that you think there are lots of pedos in teaching. Offense rates are like 5-7% which is pretty close to general population estimates which are around 5%. This is exceptionally low considering that jobs that provide a high amount of access to victims attract predators causing the rate to usually be much higher than gen pop. For instance rapists and assaulters in the police and necrophiliacs in mortuary services. I’d chalk the low numbers up to the exceptional virtue of people who pu…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 08:02 PM
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There’s really no advice for this you couldn’t give a woman just as well. Just make your children good PEOPLE. There’s zero need to shoulder them with abstract gender complexes.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 11:24 PM
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The majority of higher functioning autistic people ARE capable of learning social skills if they actually tried. The issue with autistic young men is that they are being preyed upon by an ideology that they are extremely susceptible to. Notice all the pills and Incel ideology are heavy on categorization as a form of simplification. Take note that regardless of what your taste in hyper fixation is this ideology will create a niche. Gamification? You got PUAs. Anthropology? You’ve got people talki…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/23 05:13 PM
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People’s opinions existing are not an attempt to get you to change your opinion. As far as the 200 responses go that’s really not a thing that matters considering the way the algorithm selects viewers and the way sexual guilt operates in the current cultural hegemony.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 04:22 PM
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As far as informed consent goes any study that involved a lie detector test would require disclosure of the lie detector portion before any data was given. Further the correlation with numbers given in the non lie detector tests implies that none of the participants in the ‘liars’ population in the original data were against participating because the removal of that population would still result in large differences in the data. The implication being that most women in an anonymized setting do n…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/23 04:19 PM
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People have a responsibility to find partners who they are sexually compatible with and be communicative when they are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 07:24 PM
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In Valerie’s case I think being a sex worker in an industry that is largely black market probably exposed her to some things that were pretty terrible. Tatyana’s complaint is pretty unclear. I think the real issue is high partner count doesn’t automatically equal baggage, and there are a lot of ways you can sus out someone’s emotional state besides point blank asking them how many people they’ve slept with. I’ve known women who were extremely casual about sex who were among the most mentally hea…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 07:23 PM
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Don’t know what this woman is describing. Nothing against her but she’s using the word ‘god’ to remove a lot of explaining she’d need to do in order for anyone to understand her current predicament. If I were to guess I’d say she’s associated sex with promiscuity and promiscuity with a negative viewpoint of herself. If so then she has induced her own problems through her framing of sex in a negative way. This is not something inherent to promiscuity but rather an issue with the way she views her…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 04:11 PM
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For sure. Some people are happy just throwing on the basic human uniform, but that means you forgo telling anyone anything with your appearance, which is a sub optimal dating strategy. Viewing fashion this way isn’t female centric as anyone can be into fashion. I know many men who put a lot of thought into how they dress. But yes if you want to stand out to other people you will need to visually stand out. This is one of the reasons that fashion cycles with things changing over time. As a look b…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 06:06 PM
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Women also want attractive partners. I don’t know a single person along the near 50 or so female friends I have that would say they would date a guy they aren’t attracted to. However the truth is you can start off not physically attracted to someone and end up attracted to them because of who they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 05:25 PM
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Just wanted to say that this is a great point, people act like fashion is this dumb shallow thing when it’s really an art form, one where you manage the impressions of others with a variety of signifiers some of which are extremely subtle. It’s really fun and fulfilling to play with. It also requires an understanding of what you’re putting off as a baseline because of your body type and face.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 05:14 PM
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There is no left gender script. It’s be what you want to be. If someone else says don’t be what you want to be yes you will get “punished”(read told to fuck off).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 03:23 PM
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Most of the left cares about cultural issues. It’s the worst examples of that which the right tends to publicize.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 03:18 PM
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In terms of actual legislation there’s no much you can do which could be what they mean? Idk. But yeah you’re right that these different political tendencies also pair with different social attitudes. And that matters in terms of changing things on the ground.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 03:18 PM
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Left and right aren’t just political viewpoints they also have philosophies that apply to cultural change. People have the individual right to do what they want in terms of mate selection. It’s only the left that are willing to challenge the larger societal constructs which reinforce these choices. All women don’t expect you to pay for meals or be a huge stoic dude bro. Some of them like shorter men, some of them like chubby guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/23 03:16 PM
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This argument is addressed above though- the gap isn’t replicated in other studies and it appears the pew poll is an outlier which can happen when you’re gathering data just on pure unluckiness. This is why you shouldn’t form opinions on this sort of stuff from one data point or anecdotal evidence. Large scale meta analysis is needed to rely understand this subject. The idea that women are lying and skewing the data otherwise is disproven by the fact that the number of partners doesn’t change mu…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 05:39 PM
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Yes personal experience means nothing when you’re trying to describe how the world works at a macro level It means your experience is not typical.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/23 12:29 AM
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I’ll die proudly.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 03:24 PM
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It’s a blind spot most people have, men included. Women who don’t understand this are just bad at being feminists. If I could recommend an essayist I’d really tell people who are interested in this subject to look at Pop Culture Detectives work. It was a big awakening for me and gave me a constructive view on masculinity. Specifically his video on SA on men played for laughs had me practically crying by the end. https://youtu.be/uc6QxD2_yQw
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 01:33 AM
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Yeah it doesn’t sound like you’d benefit as much from medication as I did. My anxiety was intense as was my depression. I’m really happy you have a routine that helps you. I believe you can do anything you set your mind to and you already sound disciplined and conscientious so you got everything you need.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 01:57 PM
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I’m not qualified to tell anyone what to do to be honest. But I’m on the spectrum, with some of the same issues that you see in NVLD (I grew up with hyperlexia but never got past long division). I deal with a lot of anxiety and depression and medication was the big first step for me to getting better at social stuff. Without the anxiety I had more energy to work on me. That’s just me though. From there it was still a lot of work though, I probably could have saved a lot of time and pain with som…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/23 10:17 AM
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Good point. I should have said primarily- that would have been a much better way of saying that and more exact. As an addendum I don’t think we should apply criticisms to demographics and then extrapolate that out to likelihoods with individuals. People here seem to think that’s okay a lot of the time but we really need to treat people as individuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 08:54 PM
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I’ve never said people can’t change. Humans have an immense capacity for change. However relinquishing the desire to be someone else is how we find true freedom and it allows us to become who we were meant to be rather than a pale imitation of someone we admire. It’s a journey each of us must undertake. We can paddle against the current or we can raise a sail to catch the wind.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 07:53 PM
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I’d say don’t date ace ppl then lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 06:25 PM
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I’m a Man- if you’re okay with her never having sex with you maybe.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 05:39 PM
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Read the title of the post blockhead
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 05:39 PM
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Read the title of the post
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 05:38 PM
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People who have never and likely will never have an interest in sex- short for asexual. I personally have no real interest in having sex with someone unless I’ve already established a deep relationship with them but thought I was Ace till I was like like 23. Sex felt like something I had to do to keep people around.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 04:44 PM
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-10 points for attempted psychobabble 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 04:35 PM
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Ace people exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 04:35 PM
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I don’t see much difference between pillers and incels. It’s all rooted in the same ideology it’s just a matter of how depressed they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 04:23 PM
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Believe it or not the average person has the strength and resilience to deal with divorce without turning into a terminally online weirdo Good looking doesn’t equal an attentive lover, nor does it equal compatibility or nullify the tremendous age difference (could you imagine a 70 year old Richard at his kids graduation?) Phoebe 3/10 ….I think I spotted your issue lol. This is a no social life type of judgement.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 04:22 PM
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If you ask the average person about Blade Runner I’d say you have about a 1/10 chance of them having seen it. That’s not obscure. You need to adjust your horizons on what constitutes obscure.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 04:19 PM
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Blade Runner is obscure? Bro
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 04:02 PM
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If you reread my comment you’ll see nothing I’ve said violated that. I’m simply saying that placing your problems as being a responsibility of others is one of the most idiotic thing someone could do in terms of these issues. It’s the issue with all pillers. That is a debate subject.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 04:01 PM
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Ross- is confident extremely intelligent and has a good job while speaking authoritatively about his interests. Constantly puts himself out there even though he’s shot down. Would pull. Chandler- wealthy and was friends with Monica for a long time, slow burn romance based on emotional bonds. Not to mention it’s heavily implied that he’s amazing in the sack. Richard loses. 🥸 Phoebe- beautiful woman, original manic pixie dream girl, loved music and lands a fellow musician- shared interest pilled a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 03:32 PM
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Yeah Bond, Indiana Jones, Blade Runner, pretty much any action movie and quite a few comedies all appeal to that fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 03:28 PM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 03:27 PM
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The thing about the ‘alpha’ archetype is that it’s a dumb framing. There are no alphas. Hierarchies are localized not generalized. Any move besides trying to be a more confident, less neurotic version of yourself is a dead end. You cannot be someone else. Improving yourself starts with YOU as the base image, not an ideal you move towards. Nothing puts people off more than someone attempting to counterfeit a personality or confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 03:17 PM
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I don’t think anyone’s assuming that but this is a space that focuses on men’s issues with dating. If you’re framing your problems with dating as an issue with women rather than an issue with yourself then you’ve moved the focus to something you have no control over and removed any impetus to change your situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 03:10 PM
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Are the anti white Luddites in the room with you now?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 01:46 AM
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This is highly unlikely and is almost certainly an issue with the source. Could I see the source so I can evaluate it?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 06:17 PM
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Idk - it’s possible, but would be strange in a public place where any threat I pose is negated by the crowds. I’m not particularly tall- maybe 5’10-5’11, but I’m wide / dwarf strong lol. Definitely no halo effect for me. However confidence goes a long way imo. I spent most of my life around some more dangerous folks and because of that I’m stuck with an alarm bell about people. One thing that gives me false alarms is really insecure people who are trying to fake confidence. All my alarm picks up…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 05:22 PM
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I member
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 03:47 PM
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It could just be that there’s something about your mannerisms or way of talking to people that’s extremely off putting. I’m a pretty unsafe looking guy- big, buzzcut, beard, belly, ugly permanent resting bitch face. But I’ve never really had this issue with people. Generally I can talk to anyone because I’m attentive to their feelings from the start and I have a variety of ways to disarm the tension, usually with humor. Not to say that I don’t experience the sort of causal sexism of people assum…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 03:18 PM
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This is the nostalgia bait and it’s exactly the same as what fascists do to gain followers. Also big among cult leaders. It goes; things used to be better. When? About thirty years ago when I was a child and I didn’t have to worry about anything. We have to go back to being childr— I mean we need to go back to our previous values. Not that people here wouldn’t have an easier time finding love in the 80s. We didn’t have screen time keeping us from forming community.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/23 12:32 PM
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Right back at ya buddy
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 06:26 PM
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Sorry if I’ve misunderstood and this isn’t a question but rather an agreement, but my point was that due to a variety of factors women having a slightly higher rate of obesity makes perfect sense and doesn’t necessarily indicate anything striking about differences between the two groups in terms of personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 06:25 PM
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A lot of people do a good job breaking the cycle and I’m happy you did too. I come from a pretty traumatic background. Zero percent chance I’m paying that forward.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 05:10 PM
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The answer to 90% of posts here. Edit: but most people here only touch grass to pick up their Amazon orders
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 05:04 PM
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It’s mostly mommy stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 05:04 PM
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Source? Spoiler- I made it the fuck up
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 05:02 PM
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Generally speaking testosterone makes it easier to be thin. You can see this with women in weight cutting sports like boxing and MMA. An in shape woman not on PEDS on average has body fat than a man of the same athletic background.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 05:01 PM
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Women aren’t In to one thing. They’re individuals.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 10:10 PM
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Accepting the definition you’re using; We don’t know because we don’t know now he feels about his masculinity. It is neither more or less secure because of this situation. Objectively no. One cannot be objectively demeaned. Socially, possibly depending on their community. However it is unlikely. Depends. Does he want to? He should talk to his SO and decide personally where he wants his boundaries to be. If he feels this way and doesn’t think that will change then the relationship should end. Sec…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 05:11 PM
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Terminal conspiracy brain
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 05:03 PM
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That’s not really the common used version of cuckold anymore though. So I wouldn’t be surprised if you get this sort of response a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 05:01 PM
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Aside from the ‘mentally’ bit none of this is terribly controversial. Women do on average outperform men at a ton of mental tasks. The issue with people who like to say stuff like this is that they overestimate the extent which the average or norm is a useful way to interact with the world. They want categories and stereotypes to be a cheat sheet when in reality interacting with people as if they are representative of a category rather than individuals with their own complex motivations is a gre…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/23 03:09 AM
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Now for sure. But not when I met my wife twenty years ago and not for a long time after, maybe ten years.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/23 11:52 AM
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Sometimes bad things do happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 02:00 PM
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It’s a debate sub so I just wanted to hear some of the best points.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 01:59 PM
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That’s a really great way of framing it. You’ve come at it from a brilliant angle. Much less sugary sounding than just ‘women aren’t like thatI’ This is why it’s so hard to change people’s minds on it since the conversation almost always looks like this- Person: says a claim that is always true as a way of backing up redpill Me: that’s messed up because of xyz Person: but claim is true Me: that’s not what I meant - explains Person: different claim that is true Me: that’s messed up because abc Pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 06:25 AM
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It’s more like men have a set of cultural pressures along with a few biological features that cause them to be more physically violent on average combined with the strength advantage. Most people tend to hurt the people they love the most regardless of gender. Our personal lives are sort of a pressure release valve for the rest of our day.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/23 05:23 AM
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People keep focusing on the fact that he presented it as a stay or leave situation as a positive. That’s not a positive. What’s the alternative? Physically restraining her? What does it take for people here to call something controlling? If someone says I need to control your friendships and public image in order for our relationship to continue that is controlling. You don’t have to literally hold someone down to be controlling.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 11:49 PM
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A lot of people stay with folks when they aren’t in love.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 11:40 PM
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Thank you. I think it’s really hard to dig yourself out of the holes that this world can put you in. Mental health as a struggle was a big part of what was happening to me and I can’t act like I didn’t get a little lucky as well. I think you’ll come out on the other end of this though and I hope you get what you’re looking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 11:40 PM
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No we just wanted insurance and some legal guarantees. We got married by a judge.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 09:55 PM
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She was my GF and we got married during this. Also not really a big difference, Marriage is just a piece of paper to us. What mattered is that we love one another.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 09:52 PM
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I’m all of those things and found love.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 09:51 PM
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My wife was with me through three years of unemployment and pretty intense mental health issues. She supported me through a lot of shit. You gotta stop being cynical.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 09:50 PM
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It’s a red flag because people who care about that sort of thing are almost always bad partners who have harmful ideas. If you introduce the subject early in a relationship, especially in the introductory stages I can do myself a favor by exiting that situation and finding someone more mature.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 09:23 PM
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It’s still the kind of thinking you get from Tinder heads and dudes who have never had a functional relationship. Almost no one vets just on looks and I’d say a sizable portion of people vet primarily on the relationship you’ve built previously. The overwhelming majority of “redpill” fellas I meet are average to great looking and are just socially inept / obsessed with the end goal of romantic relationships being sex. Certainly things have changed considerably since the sexual revolution but if …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 09:19 PM
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I’m going to level with you so please don’t take any of this as an insult. You’re 33 which is not so old and experienced when you consider how much of that time you’ve spent plugged into virtual worlds or alone. You may have life experience but it’s not the kind that equips you to understand other people. In fact your description of other people as lacking complexity and being like computer programs shows that your ability to empathize with others is not one of your strong points, not that you l…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 07:59 PM
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This is Tinder brained thinking. Get off the apps. Get out of your echo chambers.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 06:35 PM
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If you think Tinder and gamified apps are a great representation of real life dating then with all due respect you’re lacking in real life experience and there’s very little you could say to convince me otherwise. Put away the idea of dating anyone for a while. Cultivate a offline friend group of men and women. Go to events with those friends where you have common interests with those involved. Get off the apps. I promise your experience will differ provided you genuinely examine your views abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 06:30 PM
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Honestly most women don’t have that issue (unless your idea of most women is the meat market of Tinder). Most women mainly want their emotional needs met. Luckily classical notions of masculinity make the majority of men shit at this so if you cultivate good listening skills and emotional intelligence you’re massively ahead of the pack.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 02:21 PM
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Yeah I’ve always preferred mildly heavier women personally. Point was just that beauty is relative.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 02:04 PM
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Never preferred thin women personally, nothing against them as people but everyone has their types and there’s no such thing as “normal”
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 03:09 AM
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Literally engaged with nothing that was just said, try again.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 03:07 AM
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I don’t feel like these are the top complaints normal women have today honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/23 05:42 PM
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You’re projecting your view of yourself on to other men. I know no shortage of men with inflated self image. That said general statements like ‘women / men are X’ are just stereotypes which don’t help anyone engage with the real world.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/23 06:02 PM
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