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| – | Ideally, how much of your value do you think should come from sex?Oh ok, I get it now. You don't have the mental aptitude to make counterarguments so you just make ad hominem attacks instead. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/25 08:42 PM |
| – | Ideally, how much of your value do you think should come from sex?What does "attraction as a spectrum" have to do with being autistic? I guess you consider the entire field of psychology (which treats attraction that way) as autistic too? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/25 08:32 PM |
| 1 | Men are discouraged from approaching women they don’t know as well as discouraged from asking out women they do know.Many term it "harassment" which is definitionally a violation of consent. Can you address my points? 1) Do you understand how... [they could have a]... dampening effect on good men who don't want to risk making a woman feel uncomfortable? 2) All women being different is irrelevant when you don't know which type of woman you are dealing with. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/07/25 04:11 AM |
| 3 | Men are discouraged from approaching women they don’t know as well as discouraged from asking out women they do know.I didn't say ALL women. Don't straw man with pretend absolutes. Do you not understand how even 30% of women saying they find cold approach a personal violation of consent could have a dampening effect on good men who don't want to risk making a woman feel uncomfortable? All women being different is irrelevant when you don't know which type of woman you are dealing with. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/25 11:45 PM |
| 2 | Ideally, how much of your value do you think should come from sex?Who said anything about thinking like men? I'm just referring to logically coherent reasoning. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/25 11:38 PM |
| 1 | Men are discouraged from approaching women they don’t know as well as discouraged from asking out women they do know.Starting a conversation with someone is not definitionally bothering someone. While I'm not a fan of small talk either, I'm not rude to people who start conversations with me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/25 11:35 PM |
| 2 | Ideally, how much of your value do you think should come from sex?Attraction is a spectrum, not a binary. As is someone's sexual value in a relationship. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/25 11:33 PM |
| 3 | Men are discouraged from approaching women they don’t know as well as discouraged from asking out women they do know.That wasn't clear from your response. Going down the path of telling men to ignore female preferences has many wide ranging implications for social interaction and political stances such as feminism. Most women would never suggest that although I agree that it is the only effective way for men to navigate the world if women continue to push their personal and contradictory preferences as prescriptive for society. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/25 06:27 PM |
| 1 | Ideally, how much of your value do you think should come from sex?There are actually several ways to reach those numbers... it could be the percentage of time someone thinks about you sexually, the percentage of time spent actually having sex with you, how interested they are in sex versus spending time with you in other ways. It's not that we can make a precise mathematical measurement of it, but these things could be easily ballparked. And again, my main point is that people should view it as a spectrum, not a black and white classification. Do you at least … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/25 06:23 PM |
| -1 | Ideally, how much of your value do you think should come from sex?There are actually several ways to reach those numbers... it could be the percentage of time someone thinks about you sexually, the percentage of time spent actually having sex with you, how interested they are in sex versus spending time with you in other ways. It's not that we can make a precise mathematical measurement of it, but these things could be easily ballparked. And again, my main point is that people should view it as a spectrum, not a black and white classification. Do you at least … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/25 06:22 PM |
| 2 | Men are discouraged from approaching women they don’t know as well as discouraged from asking out women they do know.You did not engage with my points. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/25 06:03 PM |
| -1 | Ideally, how much of your value do you think should come from sex?You're the reason women should use a percentage. Without one, you created a black & white fallacy with one side being that a man would "only care about pussy." This is the crux of the problem, at some point, let's imagine 60% value of sex, women simply tip that over into the "only cares about pussy" column. And at another number, maybe 20%, puts it into the "doesn't find me attractive" column. The OP is implicitly stating that these tipping points are arbitrary and objectively not true. And that… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/25 06:02 PM |
| 2 | Women preach “confidence” but get annoyed when average men think they have a chance with themThat's because women are attracted to the top 20% of men whose money, looks, and popularity make them confident... they know it would be shallow to say what they're actually attracted to so they say it's a character trait. It's the same way some guys will say "I want a girl who takes care of her health" because they think it would be too shallow to say they don't want a fat girl. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/25 05:54 PM |
| 3 | Women preach “confidence” but get annoyed when average men think they have a chance with themConfidence is more than self-worth... it also encompasses competence and a predictive algorithm for possible success. For instance, if you are an untrained person and have a sparring match with a professional fighter, your version of confidence is largely irrelevant. Same thing about investing. You cannot (and should not) have confidence in an area where you always fail (or in this case are rejected). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/25 05:51 PM |
| 10 | Men are discouraged from approaching women they don’t know as well as discouraged from asking out women they do know.The problem is that women are trying to make their personal preferences prescriptive for all male behavior. Women don't go online and say "yeah, men should cold approach women even though I personally don't like it." Instead, they say "no man should ever cold approach a woman and if he does he is violating consent." It's the same problem women face with the madonna/whore dilemma... except for men, it's every single facet of dating. The only solution is for men to ignore female preferences OR for… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/25 05:39 PM |
| 1 | What Makes a Man Creepy?Yes, HV = High Value. Yeah, society perpetuates the just-world fallacy. It helps some people because they actually can better their situation (I did), but mostly it makes people feel like they deserve what good they have gotten out of life and not everyone can improve their situation equally. For you, I am curious if you could have facial surgery. I know it's expensive, but if it's the difference between being forever alone or not, it's worth more than a house. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/04/25 04:38 AM |
| 1 | Women Expect Too Much of THEMSELVES in a RelationshipThere are good reasons for uneven distributions of labor... to look at one thing that isn't equal and say there can't possibly be anything else in the relationship that can account for that is foolish. If they guy is a lawyer working 80 hours a week, of course it would make sense that the woman working 40 hours as a secretary should do most of the chores. OMG, citing a study again that you probably haven't looked at? lol. Also, saying someone is "likely to" doesn't in any way reference the frequ… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/25 07:13 PM |
| 1 | Women Expect Too Much of THEMSELVES in a RelationshipI've obviously looked into the studies more than you. You should do that before you assert a statistic. Women aren't getting divorced because they are doing more chores. Also, I mentioned several reasons why, if women actually did do more (which I don't believe they do), there could be good explanations for that. You completely ignored those too. In our modern era, it's pretty well proven (psych studies) that men want and need a LTR more than women so you have to ask why would women put up with … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/04/25 05:55 PM |
| 1 | Women Expect Too Much of THEMSELVES in a Relationship"Energy expenditure" is used broadly.... it could be emotional, sexual, practical, financial. The fact that you can only view that term as referring to "chores" is a reflection of your inability to grasp the context of the OP and limited thinking in general. Good job completely avoiding my detailed critique of those studies. Doubly good job in just asserting "you're wrong" as an argument. Obviously, you aren't here for any serious discussion so I probably won't respond again. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/04/25 06:19 AM |
| 1 | Women Expect Too Much of THEMSELVES in a RelationshipOP was about emotional expectations in a relationship, not household chores. However, I'll respond to your comment because it made me think about your claim in more depth and from a different perspective. First, I've seen some of those studies and they are garbage for several reasons: 1) It's self-reporting and as I already said most women PERCEIVE themselves as doing more than they actually do. Psych studies have shown this is true of both genders, but I believe women are more biased. 2) Those … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/04/25 05:20 AM |
| – | Considering men who struggle with dating and lash out at women instead of doing something constructive to help themselves, what emotion is behind that choice? What's the emotional "why" behind the behavior?She DOES deserve consequences. Anyone who deceives does. Like I said, that's not what I would do or recommend, but I don't think you can assume a ONS is abusive. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/03/25 05:06 AM |
| 1 | Orgasms are not a significant predictor of sexual satisfaction among womenAnd that is counterbalanced by men who are trying their hardest to do anything to get her going. Just looking at one tail end of a distribution curve is disingenuous. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/03/25 07:35 PM |
| 2 | Why do you view male sexuality as inherently objectifying and degrading?LMAO... irrelevant difference. Bad attempt at derailing btw. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/03/25 07:33 PM |
| 1 | The best way to correct the dating market is for men to leave women alone.What does that matter? you just keep repeating yourself. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/03/25 07:31 PM |
| 1 | Orgasms are not a significant predictor of sexual satisfaction among womenWhat we're discussing is a CHANGE in sex frequency over time in a LTR. There is NO evidence that men get "more lazy and selfish" in bed. In fact, most couples say the sex was fine when they got together (or they wouldn't have) and it's the woman who has changed to be more selfish. There IS evidence that men try harder when sex wanes. The data you reference in no way claims that couples have less foreplay than they used to or that women orgasm less because men are stimulating them less than they … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/25 10:34 PM |
| 2 | Why do you view male sexuality as inherently objectifying and degrading?You said: "Knowing random men dream of "taking me" is extremely repulsive" You don't feel that way about women wanting to take Ryan Gosling or some other celebrity (that they are in physical proximity with) Therefore, you have a different standard for and emotional response to male sexuality than female sexuality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/25 10:24 PM |
| 1 | CMV: CMV: Alot of men/women overcomplicate the shit out of livingOMG. I didn't say that. It was a rebuttal to your previous comment: "Looks don't create trust" You're wrong. Looks DO create trust. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/25 10:19 PM |
| 3 | The best way to correct the dating market is for men to leave women alone.Why does that matter? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/25 10:18 PM |
| 2 | The best way to correct the dating market is for men to leave women alone.Why does meaning something versus meaning nothing matter if you are dead? Again, it sounds just like ego. And you can't seriously think anything you do will be remember 1000 years from now, do you? Einstein will barely be a footnote. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/25 05:43 PM |
| 1 | Why do you view male sexuality as inherently objectifying and degrading?If the men you have dated do not treat you that way and only men you don't even really know have, why would you let that be the determining factor as to how you see male sexuality? Seems like you should weight for the people you are close to and know better. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/25 05:42 PM |
| 1 | Most of someone's"personality" can't be changed.First, that's not actually what you said. Second, I very much do. Third, how many women have you dated and had sex with so that we know "you know what you're talking about?" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/25 04:13 PM |
| 5 | The best way to correct the dating market is for men to leave women alone.Again, if you assume a large percentage of people don't try, you're calling their life a waste. And if someone tries and fails (most people), then you're definitionally saying that person's life was a failure. Last, you provide no logic supporting the idea that trying to create a legacy makes someone's life more valuable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/25 04:12 PM |
| 2 | Why do you view male sexuality as inherently objectifying and degrading?And how about when they line up to meet the celebrity at red carpets, out in public, meet & greet events, etc... ? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/25 04:09 PM |
| 1 | Most of someone's"personality" can't be changed.Baseless ad hominem is not a rebuttal. In point of fact, it's likely YOU that has never tried to talk to a woman on a date. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/25 04:07 PM |
| -2 | Orgasms are not a significant predictor of sexual satisfaction among womenAnd no man is trying harder to impress than a married (trapped) man who hasn't had sex in 2 months. Lack of male effort is NOT why most sex wains in LTR's. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/25 06:14 AM |
| 1 | Most of someone's"personality" can't be changed.I agree that it's a bell curve... the tails of the curve don't ask girls about themselves for different reasons. The top end is because they don't care or have to care. The bottom end is because they don't know how to have a conversation. But awkward nerdy guys are not the majority of guys so I think we agree on this point. NAWALT is not an argument against a generalization. Women do NOT like guys to drop "interesting knowledge" into date conversations (unless it happens to be a subject she is a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/25 06:09 AM |
| 1 | Why do you view male sexuality as inherently objectifying and degrading?I'm curious... is that something men have literally told you? Or is it something you implied from their behavior? Is it the majority of men you have dated? And if so, do you question your own judgement? Last, what else do you feel you bring to the table? I'm asking because I've had 2 girls I've dated feel this way after. The first just simply didn't communicate that she wanted anything other than sex. The second was just a ball of insecurity so no matter what I did or said, she just went back to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/25 06:03 AM |
| 2 | Why do you view male sexuality as inherently objectifying and degrading?Do you find it as repulsive that millions of women want to "be taken" by Ryan Gosling? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/25 05:57 AM |
| 5 | Shy and socially awkward women are as disadvantageous in dating as shy menIf you are meeting men every day, ALL you have to do is "not look like you want him to leave." They will stay and talk to you and ask you out. If you are so anxious you are like shaking, staring at the floor, and not talking, yeah, most guys will leave you alone because they think you hate them. But if you just throw a word out here and there and give a quick eye contact glance, guys will stay and talk. All of the above is possible only because you're a girl. Men don't get to act that way and ha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/25 05:53 AM |
| 1 | CMV: CMV: Alot of men/women overcomplicate the shit out of livingAll the 40 year old divorced and broke guys thought they had it all figured out too. Your voluntary ignorance will likely lead you down the same path. It's true that making yourself a higher value guy has simple goals. Reaching those goals is not simple. Dating is not simple. Maintaining LTR's is not simple. Dealing with women is not simple. Deciding who you want to be and becoming that is not simple. Growing as a human being in ways you don't even realize need growing yet is not simple. Honestl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/25 05:44 AM |
| 1 | CMV: CMV: Alot of men/women overcomplicate the shit out of livingThe psych literature actually DOES show that attractive people are instantly more trusted. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/25 05:35 AM |
| 13 | The best way to correct the dating market is for men to leave women alone.History is littered with suffering because of people wanting their "legacy." However, it really depends on what that legacy is and the means by which it is achieved before a moral judgement can be made. It can be good or bad. The extreme majority of people that have died have no legacy... you don't even know their name. And yet you call their life a waste. Most people reading this will have no legacy and yet you call their life a "waste" without a thought. The harm is that some of them may belie… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/25 05:32 AM |
| 2 | Most of someone's"personality" can't be changed.I'm not claiming that environment has no effect on personality (although psychologists believe it is largely genetic). I'm claiming that trauma warps someone's natural personality by suppressing parts and activating others. Anger, fear, and insecurity are often signs of trauma and are partial proof that there is some suppression/activation occurring. For instance, if someone grows up in a dangerous environment, they may never indulge their desire to paint, but when placed in a safe environment, … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/25 05:20 AM |
| 2 | Most of someone's"personality" can't be changed.NAWALT is not an argument. Your extremely basic and questionable advice (a and b) has nothing to do with my claims which is descriptive of women's responses, not prescriptive for men's behavior. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/25 04:51 AM |
| 2 | Most of someone's"personality" can't be changed.Because you are all talking to / attracted to guys who don't ask you questions... point proven. There are lines of nice guys waiting to ask girls about themselves. Guys don't really care about a woman's crazy stories (as in it doesn't affect his level of attraction to her unless negatively if too crazy). FYI. I'll take you lack of response to the first half of that comment (that girls don't care about interesting knowledge) as agreement. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/25 04:45 AM |
| 18 | The best way to correct the dating market is for men to leave women alone.Why does legacy matter to you, other than feeding your ego? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/03/25 04:40 AM |
| 3 | Most of someone's"personality" can't be changed.These work in professional settings or for a girl speaking, but not for a guy talking to a girl beyond friendzone. 1) Attractive girls are used to people being interested in them and it gives them the feeling they are the prize. That kills attraction. They want to be interested in the guy which is why girls circle around a guy who talks about himself and "holds court." 2) Girls don't care about interesting knowledge. They care about "crazy" stories. 3) This one is legit. However, it also means y… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/03/25 07:02 PM |
| 8 | Most of someone's"personality" can't be changed.I think getting rid of negative (usually trauma related) things like anger, fear, insecurity is not so much changing your personality as it is unleashing your natural personality. It may be a subtle difference, but an important one. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/03/25 06:58 PM |
| 1 | What do you think of actual bad boys?This is a very deaf response. This guy has completely turned his life around in ways few ever do. Instead of congratulating him, you falsely assume he is drawn to only those thug-loving women. He's actually just wondering what on earth could explain such unreasonable behavior. While his examples are extreme, ALL men witness this behavior. It's just your social class determines how those behaviors represent. Dude, you have a lot to look forward to since you have a good head on your shoulders. Loo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/03/25 08:02 PM |
| 1 | Considering men who struggle with dating and lash out at women instead of doing something constructive to help themselves, what emotion is behind that choice? What's the emotional "why" behind the behavior?Women are pickier about age. Most men are happy to date a woman aged 18+ that is not more than 10 years older than him . That can be a span of several decades. Women, generally have a narrow age range they desire of about 5-10 years and almost never date younger. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/03/25 08:44 PM |
| 1 | Considering men who struggle with dating and lash out at women instead of doing something constructive to help themselves, what emotion is behind that choice? What's the emotional "why" behind the behavior?LOL. She's reducing her own SMV. If you believe in the pay gap, you must definitionally believe a man's time is more valuable. Plus, let's see the math. If he had seen what she really looked like, there would have been no date. He would have saved them each ~4 hours (getting ready, travel, dinner, and fucking). Her lie cost herself both of them ~3 hours and if they had decided not to have a ONS, maybe they would have saved ~1 hour. So she wasted 300% more time than he did for both of them. So, e… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/03/25 08:40 PM |
| 1 | Considering men who struggle with dating and lash out at women instead of doing something constructive to help themselves, what emotion is behind that choice? What's the emotional "why" behind the behavior?It's disingenuous to imply that overweight women are not deliberately using photos that present a false impression (and specifically stated as such in this case). A poundage is not necessary. If women really cared about dick size, the apps would have it. Even if everything you said were true, you didn't make any argument against the guys having a ONS. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/03/25 08:34 PM |
| 13 | Women wield a ton of access to sex. But, it's pointless to argue about it.Men's gender DOES impede them. Women are now given preferential treatment in school, grants, hiring, legal proceedings, and MANY social aspects of life. It's not just "women get more casual sex." Finding a LT partner is a how you grow and makes life much easier and enjoyable. It's a fact that life is easier for women in lots of ways... whether that is worth arguing about or pertinent to a current discussion is about context. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/03/25 04:54 PM |
| -2 | Considering men who struggle with dating and lash out at women instead of doing something constructive to help themselves, what emotion is behind that choice? What's the emotional "why" behind the behavior?Sure he can... but he doesn't have to. She wasted his time, energy, and likely money so if he feels he should get something out of it (especially without lying), why shouldn't he? It's not what I would do, but serves her right, maybe she'll learn if there are consequences instead of just a free meal. And in the reverse gender case I mentioned, I guess you think the woman shouldn't stick her date with the bill? lol | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/03/25 05:45 AM |
| 1 | What’s Your Opinion on Men Who’ve Never Been in a Relationship Ever.Not going to argue it until the goal posts are set. I know how the women on this forum work. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/03/25 05:41 AM |
| 1 | What’s Your Opinion on Men Who’ve Never Been in a Relationship Ever.You are free to claim they aren't logical. That's not my point because I have no reason to assume you're a dishonest interlocutor. My question is, if I give you 3 reasons that seem logical to you, would you drop your agree that it is logical and not outdated? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/03/25 04:03 AM |
| 1 | What’s Your Opinion on Men Who’ve Never Been in a Relationship Ever.Answer the question. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/03/25 03:59 AM |
| -2 | Considering men who struggle with dating and lash out at women instead of doing something constructive to help themselves, what emotion is behind that choice? What's the emotional "why" behind the behavior?If a girl is basically catfishing by misrepresenting her looks so drastically, men have no sympathy for her getting a ONS and ghosted. That's the equivalent of a guy putting 6'2" CEO in his bio when he is 5'4 and unemployed, living at home. No woman is going to have sympathy for however his date decides to treat him. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/03/25 03:42 AM |
| 1 | What’s Your Opinion on Men Who’ve Never Been in a Relationship Ever.Apparently not because you didn't answer the question. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/03/25 07:25 PM |
| 2 | What’s Your Opinion on Men Who’ve Never Been in a Relationship Ever.If I can give you 3 good reasons why, would you consider that maybe it's a logical and therefore not outdated view? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/03/25 09:49 PM |
| – | How do you feel about women who validate and justify the red pill mindset and behavior?I'm curious. What do you think are healthy female RP behaviors? FYI. I see TRP as descriptive of the worst parts of female behavior and prescriptive for how men should deal with them. It was never telling women to indulge those bad traits. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/03/25 07:27 AM |
| 5 | What’s Your Opinion on Men Who’ve Never Been in a Relationship Ever.Believing that LTR's are being "best friends" is an EXTREMELY good reason to NOT entertain opposite sex friendships. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/03/25 06:50 AM |
| 3 | Women are dating the same terrible dudesYou're right if looking for just a fuck, but we were talking about LTR's. I've never met a guy that didn't place a high value on "loyalty, caring, n-count, honesty." FYI. Outside of maybe a frat guy's first couple years in college or rich culture, guys don't give a shit what their friends/family think about who they are with. That's a chick thing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/02/25 11:07 PM |
| 0 | Q4M: "You're husband material" should be a complimentYou're not being intellectually honest if you are claiming do not feel different levels of attraction. I'm sure most people are doing that to some degree, but the point stands that my claim is women are not prioritizing husband traits enough as proven by their continued STR's despite saying they want LTRs. Yes, I can. All data on men show they are drawn toward women with good wife traits. It's just that physical attraction is a higher priority. With women, the data can show an inverse correlatio… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/02/25 10:13 PM |
| – | Unattractive fathers are better off having only daughters.I agree with all of that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/02/25 12:39 PM |
| – | QUESTION FOR ALL: Do you reply to people you learnt something from on Reddit or nah?You're so full of shit. The brain doesn't work that way. It can't. There are an infinite number of facts to know and you have to make decisions with incomplete facts. The capability for meaningful logic and the ability to override emotions takes years if not decades of brain development. If you continue to claim you have never changed your view on anything, but also say you change your view if you receive new facts, you are just claiming you have never received new facts. That is just as ludicro… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/02/25 12:38 PM |
| 3 | Women are dating the same terrible dudesIf you think women don't also consider guys good enough, ok, cute, hot, etc as different levels of physical attraction upon first glance, you're denying reality to the point it brings into question all your claims about human nature. Dating app behavior spills over into real life. Many guys online say they are never given a chance to date and therefore show any of their personality. The dating app data backs this up. Having hookups as a LTR strategy is logically flawed based on the data because … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/02/25 12:30 PM |
| – | Unattractive fathers are better off having only daughters.I disagree that "not getting laid" is a mild consequence. It might actually be the fundamental driver of behavior and the way men connect. Also, most men were willing to die because they were protecting their families (in a circuitous way). If no one cares about you, chances are you won't be willing to die for anyone. Last, given the choice between living to be 80 and never having sex or living to be 30 and having lots of sex in a loving relationship, I think a lot of people would choose the lat… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/02/25 09:57 PM |
| 1 | As a bi woman, dating women is way harder than dating men.Thank you for writing this! It is a welcome bit of honesty and truth that helps offset the continual gaslighting men usually receive. Also, I'd say bearing most of the threat of rejection continues through the entire relationship. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/02/25 09:42 PM |
| 2 | As a bi woman, dating women is way harder than dating men.Thank you for writing this! It is a welcome bit of honesty and truth that helps offset the continual gaslighting men usually receive. Also, I'd say bearing most of the threat of rejection continues through the entire relationship. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/02/25 09:42 PM |
| 4 | Q4M: "You're husband material" should be a complimentNot one piece of that is true about me and my relationships... and none of that is true about a majority of men. As long as you look at men as your enemy, you will never understand healthy relationships. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/02/25 08:15 PM |
| 4 | Women are dating the same terrible dudes1) Physical attraction is ALSO a spectrum. 2) Yes, getting to know someone enough to be attracted to their personality/character takes time, but if you are looking for LTR, you have to balance attraction with traits so it isn't even negotiable. Simply getting pickier (raising the initial bar in your terms) on attraction does the opposite, which is the current female strategy. It is logically flawed. 3) There ARE enough hours in the day to find someone "kind of attractive enough" and go on a coup… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/02/25 08:13 PM |
| 3 | Q4M: "You're husband material" should be a compliment1) Black & White fallacy. Attraction is not binary. It's a spectrum. 2) The suggestion is to BALANCE attraction with husband traits if you want a successful LTR. Logically, this is a requirement. Looking at just one or the other will likely result in failure. 3) I never recommend anyone get married, but in most cases women are the ones who want to get married and benefit from it. 4) Guys with husband traits would not regard women with utter disdain who have good wife traits. 5) You did not addre… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/02/25 07:51 PM |
| 2 | Q4M: "You're husband material" should be a compliment1) Depends what era of history and culture you are talking about. And when speaking evolutionarily, tribalism is the existing model. 2) Genetics has genes that are emphasized or brought out based on environmental factors. So to say that culture doesn't affect behavior is a basic misunderstanding. Also, a mismatch would be one where short-term rewards/consequences do not match long-term desires. 3) "men who are unable to purchase a bride" ok, so you don't want to have a serious discussion because… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/02/25 07:44 PM |
| 1 | A dual mating strategy is used by people who feel desperate…But it is men who are more likely to feel desperate.1) I suppose you can argue that women have more sexual partners because they are worse than men at selecting for LT mates, but that's a strong indictment on women. I agree that's part of it, but still think the evidence points more to dual mating strategy. 2) You provide no evidence that the drive for a dual mating strategy would have to be stronger than ego. However, I could see a spectrum of ego where high ego women are less likely to pretend to be different to land a guy and low ego women mig… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/02/25 06:35 PM |
| 3 | Women are dating the same terrible dudes1) Attraction is a spectrum. You're creating a black and white fallacy by saying it is attracted vs not attracted. 2) You're creating a straw man by claiming that considering any additional parameters means you are only considering people you are not attracted to. 3) As stated, the goal is to BALANCE attraction and ethics/character if you are looking for a LTR. Looking for ONLY one or the other is recipe for failure. This responds to like 4 of your points. 4) So you admit character affects attra… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/02/25 06:21 PM |
| 5 | Q4M: "You're husband material" should be a complimentActually, sociological and psychological experts have put forward theories that the current dating system is so far detached from historical or evolutionary drives that it is a mismatch, creating lots of problems. How on Earth do you go from "inflating female sexual selection" to forced breeding? You aren't engaging with the original comment at all, just creating a straw man and black and white fallacy at the same time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/02/25 06:10 PM |
| 3 | Q4M: "You're husband material" should be a compliment1) The "husband" traits listed due not lend themselves to coercion, use, and abuse so previous commenter saying women should find those attractive does not result in your claimed outcomes. 2) The bad boy, Chad chasing, and ONS that women chose as an alternative actually DO result coercion, use, and abuse. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/02/25 06:05 PM |
| 3 | Q4M: "You're husband material" should be a complimentWow, that's not even what wife meant 500 years ago... delusional much? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/02/25 06:00 PM |
| 3 | A dual mating strategy is used by people who feel desperate…But it is men who are more likely to feel desperate.I agree that men use the dual strategy... using strategy 1 until they can find a suitable partner and lock her down for strategy 2. I don't think they run concurrent. "How are women not much less likely to use a dual strategy?" Any theorizing after this point is null and void because women actually DO have more lifetime partners than men so they ARE using dual mating strategy more than men. "Why wouldn’t she put on the sweet and submissive act for him?" Ego. The modern woman wouldn't pretend to … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/02/25 07:50 AM |
| 7 | Women are dating the same terrible dudesI completely disagree that ethics is not or should not be involved in LONG TERM mate selection and attraction. If you found out a girl stole half her ex's life savings, you'd suddenly find her completely unattractive as a long term mate. Same for women. Personality judgements strongly affect attraction once you get past "is her pic hot enough to bang?" Anyone interested in an LTR should be selecting on ethical considerations. I think most men already do because they look for loyalty, caring, low… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/02/25 07:38 AM |
| 7 | Women are dating the same terrible dudesThis is what I've always said... smart girls learn to choose better much faster than average or below average intelligence girls. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/02/25 07:26 AM |
| 1 | Women Expect Too Much of THEMSELVES in a RelationshipThe title is nonsense. Most women PERCEIVE themselves as putting in so much effort in a relationship because they are more self-absorbed. This is evidenced by how men talk about "duty" in a relationship and women recoil at the very word. Women see any tiny energy expenditure on their part as a massive altruistic gesture while discounting everything the man does as expected, unappreciated, or "not what she wanted." The caveats to this are if the woman knows the guy is way out of her league and he… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/02/25 07:23 AM |
| 1 | Men and Women should have higher standardPeople are generally healthier, happier, and live longer in LTR's. Having a string of short term relationships is detrimental to someone's psychological health and that opportunity starts fading at mid-life anyways. Additionally, I think LTR's provide other psychological benefits like personal growth and behavior calibration that haven't been well documented. So, no, I don't think an LTR is a bonus. I think it's basic to human growth. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/02/25 09:32 PM |
| 1 | Men and Women should have higher standardAgain, increasing attraction standards too high actually lowers your chances of finding a LTR. First, it shrinks your dating pool and second, if it shrinks to ~20% of people you run into narcissistic traits (bad for LTR's) due to how the opposite sex has catered to them their whole life. I believe the attraction sweet spot is probably targeting people 10% above or below you on the attraction scale. If speaking generally, I'd say people that are on the 50-80% part of the attraction spectrum. It g… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/02/25 08:23 PM |
| 2 | Men and Women should have higher standardFalse. The answer to successful LTR's is NOT to hold out for someone more attractive. It's to balance attraction with personality traits that are conducive to LTR's. In fact, lowering your standard for attraction and raising your standards for other relatioship-focused personality traits. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/02/25 07:17 PM |
| 1 | Q4All: is this "the right" thing to do?WEIRD. If you need to leave for your own emotional well-being, leave (and that's cool). Do NOT make it into a movie scene. If you already know she's not interested, why would you tell her ANY of this? There's NO point to it other than to make her feel weirded out. And why would you give her a gift? This makes no sense. Women appreciate men who understand signals and subtlety. Who would EVER want a weird goodbye scene confession from someone you barely talk to? Stop being weird. Just be normal. F… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/02/25 04:44 AM |
| 1 | How turned off would you be if before sex, he pulled out a consent form?Those stats aren't correct. According to NSVRC.org, lifetime chance of male rape is 1.4%. However, according to statista.com, I estimate lifetime change of legal accusation at 2.3%. Also, there are many factors that will drastically affect his chances of getting raped, such as being gay or bisexual, incarceration, heavy drug or alcohol use. So, for a straight male not in prison who doesn't abuse substances, it's much, much lower, but I didn't have time to look through all the stats. There are no… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 26/02/25 04:26 AM |
| 2 | We have been conditioned to rely on our spouse/partner for everything and I think this puts a lot of pressure in marriages/LTRsMen rarely look to women as an emotional rock and support. That relationship is 99% in the other direction. That is almost never why a woman "feels overwhelmed" by a man. I do think couples need to be around other adults so their behaviors can be better calibrated when issues arise. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/02/25 06:38 PM |
| – | Men, stop whining about women not wanting to passionately f*ck youShould women also stop whining? After legal equality was achieved, feminism has just been whining. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/02/25 06:16 PM |
| 1 | "Lower your standards" is good advice for women but bad advice for menYou forgot some (from RLM): Does he have a good job? Where does he live and what kind of car does he drive? He needs to be confident without being too arrogant. He needs to be funny, but not like, goofy funny. He needs to be tall, but not too tall, or like, weird tall. He should be spontaneous, but only when I'm expecting it. Handsome is a plus, and handsome with good hair is better. No baldies, LOL! He needs to know the exact time to say all the right things. He needs to know the right time not… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/02/25 06:15 PM |
| 1 | Women are attracted to toxic men BECAUSE of their toxic traits, not despite them.Yeah, but there is difference too. A guy is lusting after her being hot despite her being toxic. A girl is often lusting after a guy BECAUSE he is toxic. Now imagine how much more frustrating that is for men. lol | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/02/25 06:06 PM |
| 2 | Q4Men: choose a life: bad boy with 5 baby mamas or mild mannered virginIt's not. It's awesome. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/02/25 03:40 AM |
| 1 | Q4Men: choose a life: bad boy with 5 baby mamas or mild mannered virginLife C: Get a vasectomy. Get called an asshole half the time, get called too nice half the time. Only have LTR's. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/25 11:09 PM |
| 1 | Why do you all seem to take people’s word at face value instead of accepting that our subconscious wants to protect our self-image as good person, and therefore people tend to say what makes them seem like good people?Directness is directly implicated with these traditionally masculine traits: dominance, ambition, risk-taking, independence, strength, leadership. I also think anyone over the age of like 15 who said men were NOT more direct in their personal experience is lying. First, there ARE studies that show the split between "stated and revealed preferences." Second, if there weren't, comparing data from different studies would be valid . I'm glad we agree, but like I said, it's quite possible that social… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/25 08:15 PM |
| 5 | You cant expect women to help with your loneliness or give you validation when you don’t show appreciation.Ignoring baseless ad hominems. 1) Ungratefulness is squandering that which was given to you... not that which you struggled hard to earn. 2) What actions show that men mostly use sex for validation? Other than the validation that comes from having relationships in general, but that isn't what we are talking about with a string of partners. 3) Wow, you know nothing about men. We obviously want sex because it feels necessary and good or we wouldn't masturbate 5 times a day when we were teenagers. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/25 08:00 PM |
| 3 | Why do you all seem to take people’s word at face value instead of accepting that our subconscious wants to protect our self-image as good person, and therefore people tend to say what makes them seem like good people?This... but I'll elaborate. I believe women hide their preferences BECAUSE they don't want to change them. If they know their preferences lead to their own problems, it is logical that honestly stating those preferences would lead others to point out they should change. In essence, she can be "blameless" until she admits her choices at which point she becomes "responsible" for the outcomes and loses victim status. I've seen this in my personal life, picked up on it from stories from other men, a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/25 07:45 PM |
| -1 | Why do you all seem to take people’s word at face value instead of accepting that our subconscious wants to protect our self-image as good person, and therefore people tend to say what makes them seem like good people?What's wrong with hot and quiet? Have you ever dated someone who came home from work every day and talks for two hours about insignificant minutia of their day? It's exhausting and mind-numbing. So yeah, quiet is preferred. Women say they run into the same thing where some guys just want to talk about themselves all the time (and I strongly suspect that is them talking like girls do). Also, have you seen guys bond? We DO things together sometimes not talking for hours. It's generally women who w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/25 07:41 PM |
| 1 | Why do you all seem to take people’s word at face value instead of accepting that our subconscious wants to protect our self-image as good person, and therefore people tend to say what makes them seem like good people?The reason women hide their true thoughts more than men (subconscious or conscious) is because being direct is definitionally a masculine trait. Also, while everyone is susceptible to subconscious contradictions, behavior and data is used to prove when it is occurring. On an individual level, if a girl says she doesn't care about height, but then 80% of the guys she dates are more than 4" taller than her (the average difference), the raw data would show she does. On a group level, the same stati… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/25 07:35 PM |
| 1 | Even if the "nice guys" have hidden selfish motives, they are still infinitely better than the honest “bad boys”.Ok, I found the issue: You: "If they would be genuinely nice, they would not struggle with woman" This is called the just world fallacy. Additionally, you provide no evidence or chain of logic to justify this assertion while there is a ton of evidence to point to it being false. Would you also claim that no genuinely nice women struggle with men? FYI. We'll use your definition of authentic niceness vs inauthentic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/25 07:47 AM |
| 1 | Even if the "nice guys" have hidden selfish motives, they are still infinitely better than the honest “bad boys”.You should look at the data before disagreeing with people. Ok, now you're changing your argument. You said: "Nice guys don't missbehave because they do not get the opportunity to do so." If they don't get the opportunity to, how do you know they would misbehave and be in this new "nice guy isn't really nice" category? You're claiming knowledge of behavior that hasn't occurred. Can you not just say some guys are genuinely nice because they want to be? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/25 07:19 AM |
| 6 | Why are so many attractive women on dating apps when they pretty much have unlimited options in real life already?I did read your comment. Your complaint is if a guy was too afraid to approach you and that's valid. But there are certainly times where a guy simply isn't going to notice you (or feel it's an appropriate time/location to do so like at the gym) and it would be foolish not to go up and make your presence known. The only way this makes any sense is if the reason you get "turned off" is because you believe you weren't "hot" enough to get noticed. Mentally challenged? This is where you just sound bi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/25 07:10 AM |
| 6 | You cant expect women to help with your loneliness or give you validation when you don’t show appreciation.The man you describe doesn't exist: A guy who is lonely due to lack of romantic partners but also when he has a romantic partner doesn't put any energy into keeping her. People generally don't squander things that were nearly impossible to obtain. Sounds like you're confusing bad boys and incels... that's a new one on this sub. The second man you describe doesn't exist either: Few men say "sex is for validation." Guys don't say a girl should have sex with him to boost his ego. I've never heard a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/25 07:03 AM |
| 1 | CMV: Dating apps work perfectly fine and the way they should; there is no actual way to improve them.History lesson proving a different method works better: In the early 2000's, we had Yahoo Chat rooms. A city had multiple rooms depending on it's size. Each room could have like 50 people in it. I can't remember for sure, but I think all you saw was the person's gender. First thing you'd ask each other was ASL (age, sex, location). You'd chat for a while and if there was any connection, you'd eventually exchange pics. If things cooled off right away, you knew they were interested (and vice versa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/25 06:52 AM |
| 1 | How important is physical fitness to you?I'm a personal trainer. In women, I don't care about "fit." I care about looks. Most guys just say "fit" as a politically correct proxy for "not fat." Sure, there are couples who want to play tennis every weekend together, but it's an edge case. Almost no guy cares if his GF can do a pullup or or how much she can bench press. Guys don't care how fast she can run a mile or what her PR's are. Nobody cares if a girl can do a pistol squat or a 5 minute plank. The whole idea people actually care abou… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/25 06:42 AM |
| 1 | How important is physical fitness to you?I'd go even further... I feel more at risk when a woman is with me than when alone. First, because women are targets. Second, she is a liability in a conflict unless she's had a lot of fight training. She's an additional person I have to protect and could be threatened and used against me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/25 06:20 AM |
| 2 | Why are so many attractive women on dating apps when they pretty much have unlimited options in real life already?You do realize that assertive dominant men are on-task doing their thing and may just not notice you? If you actually want to be approached, you have to at least get his attention, send signals, or approach yourself. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/25 06:11 AM |
| 1 | Even if the "nice guys" have hidden selfish motives, they are still infinitely better than the honest “bad boys”.Pick whatever female equivalency you want (I just listed 3 obvious examples). So answer the question: If you think all nice people are simply limited by their own talents, then you must think the same of women? FYI. Income is one of the top 3 things women filter for in dating apps so your claim is provably false. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/25 06:02 AM |
| 6 | Women are attracted to toxic men BECAUSE of their toxic traits, not despite them.Yeah, you nailed it. I'd like to reiterate that those years women take to learn are the most formative years for men and dating too. If we "guess" the average age of learning is ~28 for girls, that's over a decade men have to watch it play out which could explain a lot of the resentment men build up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/02/25 05:52 AM |
| 1 | CMV: The world would be a better place if males adapted to how women handle problemsWhy you're wrong: A real "problem" is not changed by venting Problems must be solved or they continue, meaning the need to vent would continue Psych lit shows that repeated venting on the same problem makes someone feel worse, not better Venting in PLACE of solving a problem is self-infantilization (venting may be a valid first step in solving a problem) If men didn't solve their own problems, women would lose respect and attraction to them. If a woman already knows how to solve a problem, she w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/02/25 08:22 PM |
| 1 | Women are attracted to toxic men BECAUSE of their toxic traits, not despite them.Exactly. Except bracketed for risk/reward, statistical outcome, and alternative options. [The last one referencing the original argument... alone vs toxic GF. Women's options are toxic BF vs nice BF.] I'm open to a rebuttal of these metrics though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/02/25 08:00 PM |
| 10 | Women are attracted to toxic men BECAUSE of their toxic traits, not despite them.Depends on what you mean by "naive" and "fast." There are plenty of 21 year old girls who know exactly what they are doing. There are plenty of 40 year old women who haven't learned yet. The girl I have been with for 15 years is smart and figured it out after like a year of dating toxic guys. It's partly why she appreciates me so much. If you learned quick to avoid it, count yourself among the lucky ones. I also have a friend who is older, in her 50's, and is just now figuring it out. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/02/25 07:57 PM |
| 0 | Q4M: Why are you not hypergamous?"And yet career women..." Nothing you said changes anything I said about men's preferences. The career-busy husband who loses his wife due to lack of attention is a cliche it's so common. Additionally, more women may be staying because the energy they want is actually the money. "Men are not all direct... " I deliberatey put "generally speaking" in the first sentence to avoid this nonsense. The military is a flawed example because men do not go IN to be followers. They go in thinking they will a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/02/25 07:54 PM |
| 1 | Women are attracted to toxic men BECAUSE of their toxic traits, not despite them.It's not about whether it is ok or not. What I said was a good man can be happier with a toxic GF (than no GF) in part because he may be able to change her. It is possible for the reverse, but according to women self-reporting, it is extremely rare so I would advise against it. Additionally, the potential for harm to women seems much higher. FYI. I'm talking about dating, not marriage. I think the guys potential for harm goes much higher when legally entangled with a toxic woman. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/02/25 07:21 PM |
| 1 | Women are attracted to toxic men BECAUSE of their toxic traits, not despite them.Of course it's a defense. Using the best available evidence, none of which have you substantively called into question, is the ONLY reasonable course of action. What could possibly be more reasonable than using the best available evidence combined with personal experience? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/02/25 06:55 PM |
| 19 | Women are attracted to toxic men BECAUSE of their toxic traits, not despite them.You: "Idk why the men here want to date women who are toxic." Also you: "MOST people are toxic" I think that explains itself. However, I disagree that most people are toxic. Everyone has toxic traits, but I define toxic as someone who isn't trying to be a better person. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/02/25 06:54 PM |
| 3 | Even if the "nice guys" have hidden selfish motives, they are still infinitely better than the honest “bad boys”.Assholeishness is a spectrum. If doing more mean things doesn't move you along that spectrum, I don't know what does. Ghosting wouldn't hurt or even devastate people if they expected it. If you have one category that has opportunity, you will definitionally have more people take that opportunity compared to the category that has no opportunity. I'm talking about even the "normal" rich. They vote, they do unethical things, they treat employees like shit. Some of my examples were of people making … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/02/25 05:45 PM |
| 1 | Women are attracted to toxic men BECAUSE of their toxic traits, not despite them.It's the best that's out there and it comports with most men's experiences (and a lot of women agree too). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/02/25 05:31 PM |
| 38 | Women are attracted to toxic men BECAUSE of their toxic traits, not despite them.MOST girls have dated toxic guys. If you think most girls are toxic, you're right. If you think most are not, you're wrong. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/02/25 05:28 PM |
| 0 | Women are attracted to toxic men BECAUSE of their toxic traits, not despite them.It really depends on the level of toxicity of the woman and the maturity of the man. A good relationship can help a woman change, grow, lose her toxic behaviors and become a dream partner. I've seen it happen. So, yes, a toxic GF is fixable. Plus, you get relationships experience. I'd only say it's bad if the girl is a near psycho or a guy only dates toxic women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/02/25 05:26 PM |
| 1 | Women are attracted to toxic men BECAUSE of their toxic traits, not despite them.There's decades of research showing women attracted to dark triad traits. There are only a couple of newer studies that seem to question that a little. Your first ref: The entire article boils down to this line "high Dark Triad individuals have more sexual partners because they try to have more sexual partners." So, even this study shows DTI's have more sexual partners. The explanation is "trying more" but the study doesn't give realistic or sufficient reasons why women reciprocate much less mai… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/02/25 05:23 PM |
| 30 | Women are attracted to toxic men BECAUSE of their toxic traits, not despite them.This 100%. Every guy tapers their sexuality to the extent they have been taught to via experience with women. The idea that nice guys just decided to hide their sexuality one day, but would be swimming in bitches if they stopped is ridiculous. It's honestly embarrassing to see how bad women are at rationalizing their choices. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/02/25 05:08 PM |
| 1 | Even if the "nice guys" have hidden selfish motives, they are still infinitely better than the honest “bad boys”."...have usually told me that they'd be grateful if men were more transparent about their intentions." Of course, so that they could say no to 99% of them. Not so they could say yes. "And current statistics show..." And that's irrelevant. The discussion was whether women respond positively to bad boys who want ONS and FWB relationships. "Which means that bad boys are not really having a monopoly over girls who they lead on and cheat on with others." You need to understand and look at more stats.… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/02/25 08:05 AM |
| 1 | QUESTION FOR ALL: Do you reply to people you learnt something from on Reddit or nah?I'll repeat, slower this time so you can follow the logic: Perspective is based on an understanding of yourself and the world. By definition, you were not born with 100% understanding of either. Therefore, if you haven not changed your mind on anything as you've learned more, you weren't using logic. Are you really claiming you have been right about everything from your birth? That you have never shifted any view one bit your entire life? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/02/25 07:49 AM |
| 2 | Gender advantages in datingYou're right, I never thought about it that way. Back then it was both genders being "let's try to treat each other equally/better." Today, it's women demanding to be on a pedestal. At least prior to my childhood, it was men putting the women on the pedestal instead of women demanding it themselves. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/02/25 07:48 AM |
| 4 | What happens to men when they finally get sex and are no longer interested in it?First, stop shaming male sexuality. Second, have empathy for what boys and men are going through. Third, stop treating boys/young men as creeps because they are starving and trying to find something to eat. Fourth, stop demonizing the outlets they do have like porn, masturbation, sex toys/bots. As for your questions. No, you can't let teenage boys have all their fantasies come true... you'd create narcissists. They also have to learn some level of self-control. Yes, I do think boys being able to… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/02/25 07:43 AM |
| 0 | Even if the "nice guys" have hidden selfish motives, they are still infinitely better than the honest “bad boys”.Your lack of caring is not an argument. And it certainly doesn't redefine reality. If you don't care whether you are acting like an egomaniac or psychopath, you are indicating that you likely are both. Ad hominems were wrong as well. You're delusional if you think the deeds of men don't die. You're even more delusional if you think the essence of life is other people's memory beyond the grave, most likely people who never met you if you accomplished anything of note. Only an egomaniac can believ… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/02/25 07:16 AM |
| 3 | Even if the "nice guys" have hidden selfish motives, they are still infinitely better than the honest “bad boys”.I'll ignore the baseless ad hominem. I think what you're referring to is surface level niceness. Attractive people generally have more social skills and so can choose to appear nicer. I don't care about that. I'm speaking about the deeper level of how you view, use, interact, or treat other people. For instance, acting nice on a date then ghosting after a ONS = asshole. Only attractive people really get that opportunity. Your rich person example is a good parallel. Rich people are often very fri… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/02/25 07:01 AM |
| 1 | Q4M: Why are you not hypergamous?That is a small part of it, yes. Looking at women self-reporting, it's mostly overwhelmed with options/messages combined with getting run through repeatedly due to chasing Chad. Also, considering everything I wrote, discussing why women aren't as prevalent on dating apps is off topic. When you keep getting ran through by Chads, eventually a woman is forced to admit it's a losing strategy for their long-term self-esteem despite the short-term boost. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/02/25 06:36 AM |
| 0 | Even if the "nice guys" have hidden selfish motives, they are still infinitely better than the honest “bad boys”.You made no such distinctions in your world view. The OP context was dating. Both my points still stand, regardless of context: Someone who thinks "imposing" your will (which means force) onto others is anti-social at best. Thinking that is the "essence" of life is absolutely psychopathic. And now an additional point. If you think the essence of life is achievements and victories, you're an ego maniac. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/25 08:56 PM |
| 14 | What happens to men when they finally get sex and are no longer interested in it?This is one of the most realistic and empathetic things I've red on this forum from a woman. Straight truth. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/25 08:15 PM |
| 0 | Even if the "nice guys" have hidden selfish motives, they are still infinitely better than the honest “bad boys”.Someone who thinks "imposing" your will (which means force) onto others is anti-social at best. Thinking that is the "essence" of life is absolutely psychopathic At that point, why not just kidnap a bunch of teenage girls and impose your will? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/25 07:57 PM |
| 0 | Even if the "nice guys" have hidden selfish motives, they are still infinitely better than the honest “bad boys”.Your ignorance of the games bad boys play is not proof that they are just being their authentic selves. Study more. I hope no guys are reading this or there's going to be a whole lot of women that get the "honest and refreshing" notice from a guy that they "want to sleep with her because she's beautiful." Geez, have you ever talked to a woman? This is only even acceptable if she's already fairly attracted to you. "most bad boys say they want a no strings attached thing" This has been proven fals… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/25 07:53 PM |
| 2 | Even if the "nice guys" have hidden selfish motives, they are still infinitely better than the honest “bad boys”.OMG why do people have to constantly go "NOT EVERY." Of course nobody is talking absolutes. You can't even say all guys want to have sex with women, but we don't caveat about gay guys every f'ing comment. People (nice guy or not) don't misbehave for a few reasons: They want to but don't have the ability They want to but understand or fear the long-term consequences for it They internalized being a good person at some point in their life and CHOOSE not to misbehave regardless of their desires I t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/25 07:33 PM |
| 1 | QUESTION FOR ALL: Do you reply to people you learnt something from on Reddit or nah?And if you had the brain of an ant, I'd say you have a point. As I stated earlier: "if you have not changed your mind on anything as you've learned more, you weren't using logic." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/25 07:25 PM |
| 5 | Even if the "nice guys" have hidden selfish motives, they are still infinitely better than the honest “bad boys”.There are several reasons why the ugly=nice and hot=asshole is highly correlated. People experience that IRL If you're aren't getting social attention, being nicer is an obvious way to try and make up for that so it stands to reason that you will have more nice people in the unattractive side of the spectrum. If you are already getting lots of social attention, there is actually a drive to be more selfish/picky. Attractive people are catered to so much that narcissism becomes enabled and commonp… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/25 07:22 PM |
| 1 | Gender advantages in datinglol. I said 20's years ago, not 100 years ago. Geez, how old are you? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/25 07:10 PM |
| 1 | Gender advantages in datingNo. I was in college and freshly out in the 2000's. I didn't have money. The women didn't care. I'm telling you... women were different. They actually cared about more than attention and catching Chad. They gave average guys a chance, were kinder to average guys, and dated for companionship/connection/sex. In fact, a lot of girls didn't care or ask what I did for a job. They certainly never inquired how much I made, if I owned a house, what kind of car I drove, etc. Money had nothing to do with … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/25 07:07 PM |
| – | CMV: proposals should be specific to the womanI'm going off of social norms. And I've never once heard of a man getting a multi-thousand dollar well-thought out surprise from his wife as a reciprocation to his proposal. Not once. And I think the average woman would laugh at any guy expecting that. If you don't know the full aspect of a relationship, maybe you shouldn't have used it as an example (anecdotes are pretty useless anyways). And yes, I think most men that get married are simping for their wife: as in, the relationship is unequal. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/25 07:02 PM |
| 5 | Q4M: Why are you not hypergamous?3 reasons (generally speaking): 1) Per another commenter, because men want women more than the other way around. 2) Most guys want a girl who is caring, kind, giving, and easy going. Your A types and career-oriented women are the opposite. They often have a chip on their shoulder, are self-absorbed, high-maintenance, demanding, picky, and "never have the time/energy" to care about the man's needs. 3) Men are direct, action-oriented. That makes them want to be in charge. Dating a woman who makes … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/25 06:55 PM |
| 7 | Q4M: Why are you not hypergamous?This guy is right. To elaborate, on your question, I have a few answers: 1) Women are interested in the fantasy of the highest end of dating. For instance, if you don't really care about ice cream that much, you may never eat it unless it is filled with chocolate pieces, nuts, caramel, and served with chocolate cake and whipped cream. When you aren't super into something, you'll only really take an interest in the highest version of it. In this case, that highest version is only really in fantas… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/02/25 06:47 PM |
| 0 | CMV: proposals should be specific to the womanSimp is definitionally describing an UNEVEN relationship. There is no reference to her working a second job to give him a few moments of fleeting self-esteem. I've already agreed that lazy (or low effort) is a problem when there is equal effort from the other person. None of these women are showing how much they love their man by doing something grand, thoughtful gesture costing thousands of dollars as reciprocal to the proposal. The fact that never even entered the discussion as a possibility i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/25 09:32 PM |
| 4 | Even if the "nice guys" have hidden selfish motives, they are still infinitely better than the honest “bad boys”.Some people are just saying stuff they don't believe, but when justifications ignore reality and are actually believed it, it becomes delusional by definition. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/25 09:26 PM |
| 0 | CMV: proposals should be specific to the womanTrue love is unrelated to spending. You can keep changing the words, but that doesn't change the reality. The fact that they are still married doesn't change my judgement of the situation. Lots of guys simp their whole lives. I would agree that laziness is a factor, but that doesn't equate to "how much did you spend" on our proposal. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/25 09:23 PM |
| 1 | Gender advantages in datingNot true. I'm an average guy (6 maybe) and in the early 2000's I got dates semi-regularly (not hookups) that lead to relationships. I agree with the your numbers for today as far as contact response, but if you mean ending in dates or hookups, I bet the numbers are worse. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/25 09:20 PM |
| 6 | Gender advantages in datingA decent amount of women did actually give average guys a chance up until about 20 years ago. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/25 09:04 PM |
| 0 | CMV: proposals should be specific to the womanSpending money does NOT equal romance. If you believe that, you're the problem. Anyone that would accept an SO working a second job for a fleeting moment of false self-esteem is a horrible person. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/25 08:29 PM |
| 1 | Even if the "nice guys" have hidden selfish motives, they are still infinitely better than the honest “bad boys”.Do you say that about women to? And I disagree. Meekness mostly means conflict avoidant and I think our world needs more of that. And I like nice people... people that avoid conflict, people that consider other's feelings, people who will put time/energy into other people, people who aren't self-absorbed. But I'm a guy and don't need someone to lead or stand up and protect me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/25 08:25 PM |
| 0 | Even if the "nice guys" have hidden selfish motives, they are still infinitely better than the honest “bad boys”.Yeah, you do because women lump guys into those two categories. That's the flaw. Women don't see that 80% of the guys they put in the "fake nice guy" category are actually just good, caring people. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/25 08:21 PM |
| 0 | Even if the "nice guys" have hidden selfish motives, they are still infinitely better than the honest “bad boys”.Nonsense. Bad boys are NOT honest. They use game. They do not always just accept a lack of interest from a woman. They frequently mislead women about their interest level and the type of relationship they want. They lie about having multiple women or the depth of those relationships. They use emotional manipulation. Last, they are the ones who actually view women as interchangeable sex objects because they can. Also, some people are nice because they were socialized to behave that way, like sayi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/25 08:20 PM |
| 9 | Even if the "nice guys" have hidden selfish motives, they are still infinitely better than the honest “bad boys”.Yeah, I love how suddenly everyone paints bad boys as honest, up front people ethical/moral models. This whole discussion is silly because it always comes down to redefining nice guys as the worst possible person and bad boys as angels. It's delusional. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/25 08:11 PM |
| -2 | Even if the "nice guys" have hidden selfish motives, they are still infinitely better than the honest “bad boys”.I'd say this isn't true because the vast majority of people will only deal with the facade. Therefore, in total, he would add less negativity to people's lives. The reality is, most "fake" nice guys will just spew some verbal anger and that's it. Nowhere near the amount of psychological damage a bad boy will almost certainly do to a woman. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/25 08:08 PM |
| 1 | Even if the "nice guys" have hidden selfish motives, they are still infinitely better than the honest “bad boys”.So... "follow social norms" and not physically intimidate people unless necessary = no self confidence and passive bitch? Not seeing the math. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/25 08:04 PM |
| 2 | Even if the "nice guys" have hidden selfish motives, they are still infinitely better than the honest “bad boys”.Why fake it? Why not just be a good person? It's a lot easier. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/02/25 08:01 PM |
| 3 | CMV: proposals should be specific to the womanThe answer of yes or no is about love/marriage. The question was NOT if his production fit her perfect daydream and was fancy enough for her instagram reel. That's why it doesn't matter when/how a proposal happens. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/25 07:04 AM |
| 3 | Sure we don't like it when men sexualized women. But we all still live in a society that encouraged men to sexualize women though.You dodged all my points/questions and added a straw man. At least with creepy you added one more color to the black and white fallacy. However, my focus was on thoughts/feelings, not behaviors, because sexualization and objectification are thought crimes. No behavior has to accompany it. If you're talking about person A saying something bothers them to person B, that requires an objective assessment to judge whether that "bothered" feeling is valid/reasonable. Again, I ask: "Are you claiming th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/25 06:59 AM |
| 1 | What do you think about a man that uses a sex toy to masturbate?Got it... you're cool with racism, ok with objectively misjudging others, believe feelings trump everything else, claim to be sexist, and eschew personal growth. That perfectly explains why we disagree. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/25 06:41 AM |
| 19 | CMV: proposals should be specific to the womanRidiculous. A proposal is good sitting in the dirt in your back yard with a $5 ring if the two of you are in love. If she loved him, she would be thrilled to say yes any time, any where. Saying no because it was the wrong song in a TS concert just tells us how incredibly spoiled, entitled, and self-centered this girl is. There will never be any pleasing her in a LTR. He should accept the "no" and move on to find someone who actually appreciates him. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/02/25 06:36 AM |
| -1 | What do you think about a man that uses a sex toy to masturbate?So, when white people had a gut reaction against dating black people, you're saying that was ok? It's your judgement and assumptions about men that people take issue with. It's your general opinion of someone we're discussing. It's irrelevant to me whether you would date them or not. You are arguing as to why your ick should be a valid criteria. That's justification. Your logic is: I have feeling, don't care to question/change feeling, therefore do what feeling says. That's a logic chain. A bad … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/25 10:44 PM |
| – | Do women change preferences organically or is there something else at play?Are you saying that your personal testimony was a rebuttal to the previous woman's claim that there were only bad boys around? That would make sense and be useful, but you should have replied to her comment. FYI. If your claim was simply that not ALL women dated bad boys, that was never claimed and the thread, previous comment, my whole comment, and the sentence before the one you quoted explicitly state that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/25 10:36 PM |
| 1 | What do you think about a man that uses a sex toy to masturbate?So you are comfortable letting a gut reaction overrule your rational faculties? Visceral reactions actually CAN be changed because reactions are based on thoughts/emotions. Thoughts can be questioned and changed as can emotional reactions. But that's my whole point with all the reasons why someone would use a sex toy over hookup culture. Your imagery of being porn sapped and incompetent with women is not accurate. Why would you deliberately cling to something provably false? Again, you're just a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/25 10:27 PM |
| 5 | What do you think about a man that uses a sex toy to masturbate?How about you don't want to risk STD's or other safety issues? How about you're getting over a breakup and not ready to date? How about you're in a relationships but the other person has a medical issue or injury? How about if you only want to have sex with people you connect with on a deep, long-term level? Not everyone wants to treat the rest of humanity as interchangeable sex toys. What do you mean by themed and why does it matter? Who cares if a girl wants to use a horse dildo or a BBC dildo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/25 10:00 PM |
| 2 | I don't believe there is such a thing as "Toxic Masculinty"False. Any trait can be toxic given degree and context. Therefore, any category created around a collection of traits can be toxic. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/25 09:57 PM |
| 9 | What do you think about a man that uses a sex toy to masturbate?Wow, there are tons of good reasons to use a sex toy compared to going out looking for hookups. If all you can think of is "can't get laid," you should rethink the simplicity of your world view and why it always comes back directly to male shaming. Same for women... lots of reasons to use sex toys other than being worried about being called a slut. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/25 08:48 PM |
| 2 | Sure we don't like it when men sexualized women. But we all still live in a society that encouraged men to sexualize women though.I didn't say "every." I said "almost." And some feminists actually do take that to "every." So you admit that men's sexuality is only acceptable where feminism says? Remember 500 years ago when women's sexuality was only acceptable where men said so? Feminism seemed to have a problem with that, but the reverse is ok? Explain double standard, please. You're presenting a black & white fallacy: consensual sex vs objectification. There is so much more in between those two extremes and that is where … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/25 08:37 PM |
| 1 | Men are Love-ShyOk, so you agree that men will overlook it for women when it comes to dating, but women won't overlook it for men when it comes to dating? FYI. That was obviously the context.... sorry if you got confused and thought we were talking about coworkers, family, or acquaintances. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/25 07:40 PM |
| 0 | Do women change preferences organically or is there something else at play?The question was in the title: "Do women change preferences organically or is there something else at play?" Even if the OP did have a broader context, MY reply was EXPLICITLY about women who DID date bad boys when younger. Sorry you got confused. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/25 07:38 PM |
| 1 | Sure we don't like it when men sexualized women. But we all still live in a society that encouraged men to sexualize women though.That's objectifying. I disagree with it across the board, but our society does it to each other all the time so picking out just one way it's done is biased at best and disingenuous at worst. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/25 07:35 PM |
| 1 | Men are Love-ShyMen are willing to overlook that for women. Not the other way around. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/25 07:33 PM |
| 2 | Sure we don't like it when men sexualized women. But we all still live in a society that encouraged men to sexualize women though.Sexual orientation has nothing to do with it. Feminism absolutely does try to shame/guilt men about most of their sexuality. Even your example is a subset where you imply it's ok (which even there it often isn't) because a woman has deemed it acceptable in the context of a family. It's like saying it's only okay to be hungry when you are in a restaurant and the chef says it's ok. That's not how biology works. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/25 07:30 PM |
| 1 | Sure we don't like it when men sexualized women. But we all still live in a society that encouraged men to sexualize women though.1) From a scientific standpoint, all matter and energy in the universe is a thing, including people. Are you claiming that when women say "he's the cutest thing I've ever seen" about a baby (common in the south), they are denying the baby's humanity? 2) Seeing someone as beautiful doesn't mean you don't also see them as a person. Actually, psychology generally shows the opposite... the more attractive you find someone, the more you notice and appreciate their personality. 3) There is no "level o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/25 07:27 PM |
| 2 | Sure we don't like it when men sexualized women. But we all still live in a society that encouraged men to sexualize women though.If you treat anyone as just an object (sexual or not) that is bad. Women do this too moreso in nonsexual ways. Sexualizing someone is not the same as objectifying them, denying their humanity. The problem is feminism claims almost any form of male sexuality is de facto objectification while denying the ways they objectify men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/25 07:06 PM |
| 2 | Men are Love-ShySeeing as how you ignored both points and gave a hundred year old history lesson instead, I guess not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/25 04:34 PM |
| 8 | Men are Love-ShySo you agree that the problem is girls are holding out for Chad? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/25 06:29 AM |
| 19 | Sure we don't like it when men sexualized women. But we all still live in a society that encouraged men to sexualize women though.The idea of "sexualizing women" is flawed at it's core. Women are inherently sexual to men due to biology and that will never change. Feminism just badgers and shames men into hiding it. Think about it. You're allowed to enjoy the beauty of nature (sunset or the ocean). But if you admit that the most beautiful thing in nature to a man is a woman's body, you're demonized. Sorry, but that's biology. There's zero logic to it. It's simply an attempt to deny reality. It's as ridiculous a proposition … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/25 06:25 AM |
| 7 | Men are Love-ShyWomen need to stop seeing men as a marker for their self-esteem (online attention, who they date, ONS's). They need to understand the statistics that prove chasing Chad is a losing game. Instead of following your feelings, understand the world and your own psychology so you can change what you want. Men need to make social skills and fitness a priority. Instead, we are taught to achieve... make good grades, work hard, focus on career and hobbies. The reality is, personal connections make or brea… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/25 06:17 AM |
| 2 | Men are Love-ShyTo be fair, a lot of these guys are not self-centered asses. They just don't have looks, social skills, or opportunities. Self-centered guys actually do ok in dating if they have looks and social skills. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/25 06:03 AM |
| 5 | Men are Love-ShyIt's not "misgivings in gendered dating dynamics." Women are treated better than they ever have been in the history of the world. It's that girls are holding out for Chad. The dating app data is undeniable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/25 06:01 AM |
| 9 | Men are Love-ShyLack of fear is not a replacement for competence. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/25 05:56 AM |
| -1 | Do women change preferences organically or is there something else at play?My statement explicitly refers to women who DID date date boys when younger. Additionally, the OP and my comments are referring to general trends. No one is claiming that 100% of women dated bad boys when younger. Your personal history is irrelevant to the entire topic because you didn't change your dating preferences which is the group being discussed. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/25 05:51 AM |
| 2 | Do women change preferences organically or is there something else at play?Yes and you changed your answer as to why. Originally, you said: "you take whatever is out there" and "because they were there" Later, you said it's because you were "not ready to settle." These are completely different reasons. The first implies you just happened to be surrounded with them but no good guys. The second states it as a clear lifestyle choice (although rereading it, it's unclear whether you mean "settle down" or "settle for someone not as good." Either way, it denotes a clear choic… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/25 05:46 AM |
| 1 | QUESTION FOR ALL: Do you reply to people you learnt something from on Reddit or nah?You didn't engage with my first two points at all. I think you're using the "behind the curtain" phrase in a couple different ways so I'll respond to what I think you meant: I think most people should have almost all information. There shouldn't be a curtain to have to look behind. If there is, then yes, you should always see what's behind the curtain. It's irrelevant to morals that there are a subset of people who act immorally. Personally knowing a bank robber does not somehow make it okay for… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/25 05:37 AM |
| – | Sexual fidelity to your partner and sexual satisfaction from your partner should be considered a zero sum system.If the information wasn't relevant, you wouldn't need to hide it. It's not YOUR choice to determine what information is relevant to a person's decision the same way it's not a girl's choice to determine what information is relevant for your decision. For instance, a wife lying to her husband that she has intense pain with penetration (when she doesn't) so he stops trying to have sex would fit all your criteria for an acceptable lie, but almost nobody thinks that's ok. You fail to address the act… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/25 05:30 AM |
| 2 | People (and red pillers) often underestimate the necessity of young love/teen love and the impact it can have on am average guy's dating life in the future.First, take martial arts. It teaches you to be goal-oriented, focus on the present, overcome fear, and accept mistakes. You can take that mindset everywhere. It also resets your brain on what real pain/danger is so your nervous system is less responsive to social situations. Build your cardio so any anxiety response is less apparent. They've got to get general social skills... get a job that forces you to interact with people, study others, and copy others who are good at it. In person of course… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/25 05:06 AM |
| 1 | Do women change preferences organically or is there something else at play?If you dated like 90% good guys and 10% bad boys, I'll believe you and say you were an outlier. However, the context we're referring to here is women inordinately dating bad boys when they were younger. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/02/25 04:41 AM |
| 1 | Sexual fidelity to your partner and sexual satisfaction from your partner should be considered a zero sum system.Finances are a bad reason to get married, but you've already figured that out. There's not a good enough reason ever. FYI. In the US, there are things like Trusts you can put your money in so that it is controlled and spent how you want after you die. Almost any legal reason to get married can be duplicated or done better another way. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/25 10:55 PM |
| 1 | Sexual fidelity to your partner and sexual satisfaction from your partner should be considered a zero sum system.Ok, so you just have no morals then? You think it's fine to lie. You think it's fine to break commitments. The thing about both of those are that they infringe on someone else's free choice because choices are based on information and promises. When that information is false or those promises hollow, they make a decision they wouldn't otherwise make. In business, it's called fraud. In relationships, it's called manipulation. It's the exact same principle. Controlling information doesn't just acc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/25 10:53 PM |
| 1 | Do women change preferences organically or is there something else at play?Oops, you accidentally admitted the truth. You dated them because you were "young and not ready to settle." That's the whole point of OP... that women change their preferences over time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/25 10:18 PM |
| 1 | Complaining about accountability and nagging, means you don't understand relationshipsEven if your ridiculously simplified idea of relationships or leaderships were accurate, do you actually believe: 1) that followers can't hold leaders accountable? 2) and that leaders can't complain? Reality says otherwise. Even if you are defining those roles with prescriptive beliefs, you say nothing to justify why other than it doesn't meet YOUR definition. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/25 10:16 PM |
| -2 | Q4M: "Women are too picky", but also "I don't want to feel like I was settled for". Which one is it?Ad hominem and appeal to authority in one sentence... maybe next time engage with the actual argument. The only person who doesn't settle is one who waits for perfection, but perfection doesn't exist. Therefore, everyone is settling. Are you claiming that some people believe their relationship is perfect? Settling is doing a risk/reward analysis (often subconsciously) on the odds of finding something better vs losing what you have. It's not a denigration of what you have, it's saying "it's so go… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/25 06:08 PM |
| 0 | QUESTION FOR ALL: Do you reply to people you learnt something from on Reddit or nah?Perspective is based on an understanding of yourself and the world. By definition, you were not born with 100% understanding of either. Therefore, if you haven not changed your mind on anything as you've learned more, you weren't using logic. Also, there are good logical arguments for empathy in some cases. Also, just because someone rich and famous has the ability to mistreat people or hold negative views of certain groups of people (like race or gender), doesn't make it correct. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/25 05:59 PM |
| 6 | People (and red pillers) often underestimate the necessity of young love/teen love and the impact it can have on am average guy's dating life in the future.I get the concept. Everyone who's ever had a job where the boss delivered "bad news" understands the concept. In the dating case, the technique is actually deeper. It's not just taking away the surprise factor. It is also showing vulnerability that triggers a reciprocal response and builds rapport/empathy. That technique works once on a girl and they've been hearing it since they were 15. After that, it quickly becomes ineffective. An example is a door-to-door mormon. The first time someone come… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/25 05:55 PM |
| 1 | People (and red pillers) often underestimate the necessity of young love/teen love and the impact it can have on am average guy's dating life in the future.That defacto makes it a technique whether it's an opener or not. Also, saying hello to new people CAN be risky for a guy if he is doing cold approaches in public. The rest of your rant has nothing to do with what I said so I'll only respond to it broadly. No one said it was difficult to say hi. The context is more like talking to strange women in public and coming away with a number/date, etc. That's a fairly high level social skill, so please don't compare it to saying hi to the cashier at the … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/25 05:46 PM |
| 0 | Do women change preferences organically or is there something else at play?What do you have to do with anything? This isn't about your personal dating history. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/25 06:24 AM |
| 9 | People (and red pillers) often underestimate the necessity of young love/teen love and the impact it can have on am average guy's dating life in the future.I didn't literally mean someone saying the words "I'm awkward." I meant that as a category for a technique... the "I'm awkward" technique. I'm not saying priming doesn't help sometimes, but it can also backfire. And in today's world, girls have heard a version of that a hundred times, dismiss it politely, and have 50 more guys in their DM's who didn't start by neggin themselves. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/25 06:06 AM |
| 1 | Do women change preferences organically or is there something else at play?This is presenting a false reality and therefore false justification. The idea that women dated the "bad boy" because "they were just there" is not true. There were also plenty of non-bad boy options that women chose not to engage with and it wasn't because they were so against a relationship that they had to control themselves around the nice guys and get into a FWB with a bad boy to help prevent it. This is not at all how women select to date. It's hindsight rationalization. The OP implication… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/25 05:58 AM |
| 9 | People (and red pillers) often underestimate the necessity of young love/teen love and the impact it can have on am average guy's dating life in the future.It's even worse than you say. Everything you said is true, but on top of it, guys aren't actually getting any useful feedback on how to improve. They are just swiped away, ghosted, told they're a creep, or they get no effort back. At best they are told "you're just not my type" or "I'm going to try other people." In high school, you at least had a chance to talk to the girl, her friends, or find out through the grapevine what you did wrong. That's why men turn to PUA's, TRP, or feminism because … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/25 05:46 AM |
| 12 | People (and red pillers) often underestimate the necessity of young love/teen love and the impact it can have on am average guy's dating life in the future.Most men don't care if a girl is inexperienced or socially awkward... in fact, a lot prefer it. So not a good comparison. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/25 05:45 AM |
| 7 | People (and red pillers) often underestimate the necessity of young love/teen love and the impact it can have on am average guy's dating life in the future.For a girl, yes. But not really for a guy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/25 05:44 AM |
| 15 | People (and red pillers) often underestimate the necessity of young love/teen love and the impact it can have on am average guy's dating life in the future.That was true in 1995. Now, girls have heard the "I'm awkward" bit a hundred times and have way too many options to bother giving the awkward guy a chance. Plus, like you said, that is literally the first sentence... doesn't do much in the way of "catching up" the way OP describes. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/25 05:40 AM |
| – | People (and red pillers) often underestimate the necessity of young love/teen love and the impact it can have on am average guy's dating life in the future.It's even worse than you say. Everything you said is true, but on top of it, guys aren't actually getting any useful feedback on how to improve. They are just swiped away, ghosted, told they're a creep, or they get no effort back. At best they are told "you're just not my type" or "I'm going to try other people." In high school, you at least had a chance to talk to the girl, her friends, or find out through the grapevine what you did wrong. That's why men turn to PUA's, TRP, or feminism because … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/25 04:33 AM |
| 1 | Sexual fidelity to your partner and sexual satisfaction from your partner should be considered a zero sum system.What is your response to differentiating between what is effective versus what is mature/ethical/moral? For instance, screaming or beating a woman might get you what you want, but that wouldn't be mature or moral. So even if you have found what you believe to be the most effective method (for a small subset of couples), how do you put effectiveness above or as the arbiter of maturity/ethics/morality? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/25 04:12 AM |
| 3 | Sexual fidelity to your partner and sexual satisfaction from your partner should be considered a zero sum system.And if I believed in marriage, I'd say it should be (not forcible, but grounds for divorce with fault). Everything people "vow" when they get married is legally unenforceable. And they actually get a lot of legal entanglements they don't want, understand, or even know about until it's divorce time. I think anyone getting married is either brainwashed or low IQ (unless they make significantly less than their spouse but that just makes them a bad person). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/25 04:09 AM |
| 4 | Sexual fidelity to your partner and sexual satisfaction from your partner should be considered a zero sum system.1) Sexual satisfaction is only one part of a LTR. And if what you describe is your idea of the pinnacle of a relationship, no one is going to listen to you that has been around even half-way decent people because we already know there is much better out there. 2) "getting their worth somewhere else?" I assume you mean cheating gives you worth. First, your worth shouldn't come from sex. Second, if your worth comes from affair partners, you must have some really bad self-esteem issues. Third, the … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/25 04:04 AM |
| 8 | Sexual fidelity to your partner and sexual satisfaction from your partner should be considered a zero sum system.You sound like someone who has given up on the idea of a real relationship where there is mutual caring, understanding, and maturity. The reason you're getting so much pushback is because it sounds like you've settled for a relationship that is about power struggle, manipulation, and control. I understand why many do that, but there's more options on how to live when you are with emotionally healthy people. Your way is a fear/trauma-based survival tactic (likely from unstable/neglectful childhoo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/25 02:15 AM |
| 1 | Sexual fidelity to your partner and sexual satisfaction from your partner should be considered a zero sum system.Refusing to communicate on a problem is immature, but unfortunately, most women will only pay attention when you give them consequences instead of words. Doing what's most effective is not the same as taking the high and mature road though. Also, I don't see it as "punishing" the woman. I see it as withdrawing your investment in the relationship because they have done so first. Cheating will always be wrong... you can argue two wrongs make a right though. My biggest advice: never get married, do… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/02/25 02:04 AM |
| 4 | Q4M: "Women are too picky", but also "I don't want to feel like I was settled for". Which one is it?1) Every relationship is settling. Anyone who feels otherwise is either delusion or inexperienced. Anyone who feels they need to be told there could never be anyone better is operating on ego. 2) Making someone feel like they were settled for is wrong... that implies treating them as lessor, disposable, etc. Even if settled for, you were picked. Make the person feel picked. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/25 10:28 PM |
| 1 | QUESTION FOR ALL: Do you reply to people you learnt something from on Reddit or nah?Yes. I reply if I learned something new, thought about something differently, misread a comment, or didn't clarify my position enough. Changing one's mind is usually not down to one interaction though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/25 10:23 PM |
| 8 | QUESTION FOR ALL: Do you reply to people you learnt something from on Reddit or nah?If you've never changed your mind on anything, you aren't using logic. No one was born right 100% of the time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/25 10:22 PM |
| 1 | Hypergamy/women's nature falsely seen as the problem with online datingI agree... men need to get off the dating apps, stop following girls on social media, and stop liking pics, etc. They should regard any form of online attention to a girl the same as spending money on her. Unfortunately, there's a new crop of young, horny, hopeful guys every day so no matter how many guys leave, there are new ones to take their place. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/25 10:08 PM |
| 1 | If you believe in "Nobody is entitled to a Relationship" and "Nobody is owed anything in a Relationship" then you believe in the following:If traveling would be a new issue for the relationship, the couple should discuss before accepting that position. There's a lot more ramifications to a travel job than just sex. Having a child should have been an agreed upon course of action and unless otherwise stated, it should be assumed sex would resume when medically safe and logistically reasonable. Depressed people often feel like they don't want to go to work, but that doesn't mean he can just quit his job either. He should have sex some… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/25 10:04 PM |
| 1 | If you believe in "Nobody is entitled to a Relationship" and "Nobody is owed anything in a Relationship" then you believe in the following:You're right. I missed the "not" in their sentence. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/25 09:51 PM |
| 1 | If you believe in "Nobody is entitled to a Relationship" and "Nobody is owed anything in a Relationship" then you believe in the following:Yes, you also have to keep up your end of the expectations. Now imagine doing all those things and she still won't have sex with you for like a year... that's what a lot of guys are dealing with. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/25 09:48 PM |
| 0 | If you believe in "Nobody is entitled to a Relationship" and "Nobody is owed anything in a Relationship" then you believe in the following:No. I think people should uphold the expectations set in a relationship. If not, they can't expect the relationship to continue. FYI. To feel entitled means "to believe you deserve special treatment." It doesn't have anything to do with coercion. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/25 06:25 AM |
| 3 | If you get mad that a formerly promiscuous woman wants to take it slow with you, you only value women for sexSo... they are both an interpersonal relationship sharing a mutual activity with one person more than another which shows favortism. Seems apt to me. The whole point of an analogy is that it is not the exact same situation, but close enough to show how the logic fails when your bias is removed. Just saying "the relationship isn't the same" is not a refutation of the analogy. "Your example has your DATE not doing an activity with you while doing the same activity to someone else" Rewrote that for… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/25 06:00 AM |
| 0 | If you believe in "Nobody is entitled to a Relationship" and "Nobody is owed anything in a Relationship" then you believe in the following:I think you meant this as a response to another comment. Anyways, The subreddit may be skewed. Most studies show men are the vast majority of people who want more sex in relationships. Also, I didn't say anything about cheating. I never condone that. I do encourage people to leave if a partner drastically changes their sexual interactions without good reason and putting energy into fixing things. FYI. I'm hypersexual and could have sex multiple times a day. My solution was to have multiple long-… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/25 05:53 AM |
| 1 | If you believe in "Nobody is entitled to a Relationship" and "Nobody is owed anything in a Relationship" then you believe in the following:Ok, I see what you are saying. You're saying that when in a relationship feeling entitled to something is the same as having an expectation of it. I can agree with that. At that point, it depends solely on if the expectation was previously agreed on or is reasonable. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/25 05:40 AM |
| -1 | If you believe in "Nobody is entitled to a Relationship" and "Nobody is owed anything in a Relationship" then you believe in the following:It would be stupid to try and parse every possibly "reason" for not having ex. Basically you're arguing that if a woman doesn't feel like sex (for whatever reason), then a man should not feel entitled to it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/25 05:35 AM |
| 4 | If you get mad that a formerly promiscuous woman wants to take it slow with you, you only value women for sexWhy is it not relevant? It is two people in a relationships sharing a mutual activity. I don't think you can logically separate that example for your original one, that's why you won't respond to it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/25 05:33 AM |
| 0 | If you believe in "Nobody is entitled to a Relationship" and "Nobody is owed anything in a Relationship" then you believe in the following:Why would you assume the vast minority case of "medical reason?" Obviously, the commenter is referring to the highly common dead bedroom syndrome. Are you saying that you agree men are entitled to sex if the woman doesn't have a medical issue? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/25 05:06 AM |
| 3 | If you believe in "Nobody is entitled to a Relationship" and "Nobody is owed anything in a Relationship" then you believe in the following:Yeah, and my stance is that a woman is not entitled to a relationship with me. If she cuts off sex (non-medical reason of course), I cut off the relationship. I make that clear early on... sex is an expected part of the relationship. If issues come up, we work through them. If not, it's over. And you're right, there are no guarantees beyond a person's integrity and values. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/25 05:04 AM |
| 0 | If you believe in "Nobody is entitled to a Relationship" and "Nobody is owed anything in a Relationship" then you believe in the following:Sorry, but I don't see how what you're saying relates to my points. I can agree that dating is partially finding out if you "meet each other's expectations." I'm not sure what the imbalance of expectations is though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/25 05:02 AM |
| 2 | If you get mad that a formerly promiscuous woman wants to take it slow with you, you only value women for sexNo, it's because I understand human nature. That's why the examples work on both ends. Both genders inherently understand "better treatment." You're screaming into the void pretending it can rationally be seen any other way. Ok, so let's say your dad takes your brother fishing all the time. And you love fishing too, but he never once will take you. A decade goes by like this (and he doesn't make it up to you in any other way). I guess that's not better treatment because fishing is just a mutual … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/25 04:59 AM |
| 1 | If you get mad that a formerly promiscuous woman wants to take it slow with you, you only value women for sexSo, if a guy drops $10K on a diamond bracelet for a girl he had a ONS with, but won't spend $3 for coffee on a girl he claims to "see a long-term future" with, the second girl only sees that as worse because she wants his money? lol... your line of argument is ridiculous. FYI. Also, in your example, a guy can't really know if she's even being honest or just keeping him around. So many girls will one guy wait months while they are still sleeping with their FWB. Sorry, but it sounds to me like you… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/25 04:48 AM |
| 2 | If you believe in "Nobody is entitled to a Relationship" and "Nobody is owed anything in a Relationship" then you believe in the following:Yeah, that relationships of taxpayer to beneficiary is gender neutral. The reason I mention women is because they pay less taxes and get more benefits and feel entitled to this sort of relationship. I'm sure there are men in that situation to and female taxpayers that feel the same. It wasn't to show that the genders see it differently, just that the female line of "not entitled to a relationship" doesn't hold up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/25 04:37 AM |
| -3 | If you believe in "Nobody is entitled to a Relationship" and "Nobody is owed anything in a Relationship" then you believe in the following:You make a really good point that hasn't been uncovered yet. Women certainly do believe they are "owed things in a relationship" but I think they only feel "entitled to a relationship" once one has been established which is fair. I'm going to add a point here. If you want to take a more general view of "relationship." Women certainly do believe they are entitled to certain types of relationships such as an ER doctor or a taxpayer. A woman getting government assistance is in a relationship of sor… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/25 04:16 AM |
| 1 | The biggest threat to modern feminism is positive misogyny from women toward themselves and othersMy contention is that there are personality differences that create a perception of competence or not. These traits are distributed differently among the sexes. For instance, men are more confident, talk more, willing to argue more, willing to take more risks, care less about social niceties, less likely to ask for help. Yes, those differences can be enhanced through cultural steroetypes, but I think that's a minor factor. I'm open-minded... what's like the top 3 "education and sensibilisation" … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/25 04:07 AM |
| 5 | Social awkwardness in men is exactly as much of a turn-off to the opposite sex as being a fat woman.That's like saying the problem isn't your business model, it's that you don't have a building yet... my point is that if people were actually looking for long-term relationships, they should look at the long-term outcome. Dating a socially awkward guy has a positive prognosis whereas dating a fat chick has a negative one. So it's a bad comparison for anything outside hookup culture. Speak for yourself. The vast majority of men don't avoid fat women because they're embarrassed, they do it because… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/25 03:59 AM |
| 1 | Hypergamy/women's nature falsely seen as the problem with online datingMy point was that if women wanted that, eharmony would be at the top of the pile and there would be a dozen successful copycats. It's not due to a monopoly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/25 03:55 AM |
| 8 | Social awkwardness in men is exactly as much of a turn-off to the opposite sex as being a fat woman.The difference is social awkwardness declines and eventually ends between the two people in a relationship. Women don't naturally get thinner/fitter the longer a relationship goes on. In fact, it's usually the opposite. There's also a general trend for people to get less socially awkward as they age and fatter with age... again, opposite long term outcomes. Therefore, it seems the difference is women care how the man is going to come off to OTHER people (her self-esteem) and aren't looking at th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/02/25 03:46 AM |
| 1 | Hypergamy/women's nature falsely seen as the problem with online datingAgain, you avoided all my points/questions. Maybe I'll answer when you answer.... like I said, this isn't about me. I only mentioned it because you started making implications about me although you may have just been using the general "you." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/02/25 06:06 PM |
| – | Women can expect men to take responsibility for themselves and not be man haters.This sub does tell men what to do... get in shape, get a career, be sociable. But there are also other things out of their control. As for your examples: Agreed. I think the incredibly competitive environment for women makes this difficult when younger. Language games are silly. Women always claim "it's the way you said it" when what really bothered them was the content. "I like a woman who takes care of herself" is just a scared person's way of saying "I don't like fat chicks." It's also vague … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/02/25 06:03 PM |
| 1 | Hypergamy/women's nature falsely seen as the problem with online datingAgain, not everyone wants to go to bars and concerts regularly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/02/25 05:49 PM |
| 1 | Hypergamy/women's nature falsely seen as the problem with online datingYou avoided all my points/questions. Also, yes, women can just walk around in life and get hit on. In fact, that's one of their biggest complaints. That rarely happens to men. FYI. I have 3 GF's, 2 of which have lived with me for several years. This is not about me, it's about your claims that everyone on dating apps is bad. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/02/25 05:48 PM |
| 1 | Hypergamy/women's nature falsely seen as the problem with online datingYes, eharmony could be considered the prototype version of it and as you can see, other apps are much more popular and nobody is really copying them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/02/25 05:44 PM |
| 3 | Hypergamy/women's nature falsely seen as the problem with online datingSpoken like a true extrovert.... everyone who doesn't act the way you do is a bad person... got it. lol Do you have any evidence that: 1) People with good mental and emotional traits NEVER use dating apps? 2) EVERYONE using dating apps has bad mental or emotional traits? Also, having a full social life can mean hanging out with friends and family which doesn't lead to meeting new, single people. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/02/25 12:43 AM |
| 1 | Hypergamy/women's nature falsely seen as the problem with online datingIt started out that way... I used it back in the day and it wasn't very long or effective. I don't think it does much of that any more and like you said, if it does, the younger women aren't using it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/02/25 12:31 AM |
| 2 | Hypergamy/women's nature falsely seen as the problem with online datingNot true... everything is done digitally now. Everyone wants convenience. Highly social people don't need dating apps, but a lot of people are introverted or don't have time for much socializing. That doesn't mean they don't have good mental and emotional traits. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/02/25 10:15 PM |
| 1 | Hypergamy/women's nature falsely seen as the problem with online datingYou'd probably have to do a personality and relationship style assessment along with requirements / preferences. Maybe a required 3 message exchanges before you "unlock" pics. There are different ways to do it. My point was if women wanted these types of apps, they'd exist, they'd flood them, and then men would follow. Men ALWAYS go where the women are. The data shows the vast majority of men are looking for LTRs and doing personality assessments is much more work than other apps. Making people … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/02/25 10:13 PM |
| 5 | The fat acceptance movement is not a big deal. Too many people are obsessed with hating it.Did you even read my comment? I stated the reason: "because it specifically shames men for their preferences while allowing a woman to ignore reality. Neither of those are good." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/02/25 06:37 PM |
| 7 | Hypergamy/women's nature falsely seen as the problem with online datingThis is also why there are no successful apps that match on mental or emotional traits... women don't want them. If they did, they would be huge and men would flock to them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/02/25 06:35 PM |
| 3 | The fat acceptance movement is not a big deal. Too many people are obsessed with hating it.No it's not, just nobody wants to stop eating what they like. The education part is already done... eat chicken and vegetables. Don't eat fast food, dessert, and garbage. That's all it takes to get out of the obese range and everyone already knows ALL of that. There's not a single obese person in America that can honestly say "I'm doing EVERYTHING I know how to eat better" but not losing weight. They ALL know they are doing things unhealthy. And again, the HOW unheathly is irrelevant. You just d… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/02/25 06:37 AM |
| 9 | The fat acceptance movement is not a big deal. Too many people are obsessed with hating it.The reason people don't like the "Only a real man could handle all this" type stuff is because it specifically shames men for their preferences while allowing a woman to ignore reality. Neither of those are good. Also, women are mostly too afraid to say they don't like fat acceptance so it DOES appear as if it's mostly evil, sexist, patriarchal men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/02/25 05:19 AM |
| 3 | The fat acceptance movement is not a big deal. Too many people are obsessed with hating it.Again, every adult knows that deep fried grease and cheese isn't healthy. I've never met anyone in my entire life that thought fried chicken covered in cheese is healthy. Stop pretending it's an education problem. Knowing donuts/soda are bad is ALL you need to know if you are obese. It's really not that difficult to get under 30/35% body fat... you stop eating garbage all the time in mass quantities. Nobody is obese because they eat too many salads with the wrong dressing. FYI. There are some tr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/02/25 05:15 AM |
| 1 | Sex Isn’t Special—You Just Think It IsI thought that when I was 22. Live some more. Experience some more. Once I got my sexual fill, I realized there was something more in human connection. That's when I was able to tap into strong emotional experiences during sex. The key to admitting this is understanding why you want sex with another person and not just a toy/doll. It is their responses, reactions, thoughts, feelings, words that make it impactful even if they stay as still as a sex doll. You should have glimpses into this knowled… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/02/25 05:05 AM |
| 2 | If You’re a “High Value Man” You Will Only Accept a Relationship with 2 Types of WomenA noticeably more beautiful woman There... fixed it for you. Most adult women are employed and not living at home. That's such a vague, low bar as to be meaningless yet it also isn't true. Just look at celebrities or rich business men and you'll see plenty of young arm candy and trophy wives who weren't actually self-supporting or had irregular work (like models). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/02/25 04:53 AM |
| 8 | The fat acceptance movement is not a big deal. Too many people are obsessed with hating it.Your reasons are bad: 1 & 3 are completely up to the person buying the food. Make better choices. This is the most overused excuse and it holds no water. EVERY adult knows you eat chicken and broccoli to lose weight, not chocolate, donuts, cheeseburgers, and pizza. Education is NOT the issue. Fat acceptance is one of the dumbest movements there is. It's bad for the person and society on every possible level. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/02/25 04:28 AM |
| 6 | What's your take on different solutions to a loss of passion in a LTR?This is a GREAT question. I think the answer is unfortunately lost on many people, especially younger ones. The goal should be to increase passion by learning how to increase intimacy... this can be trying new things in the bedroom, pushing soft limits, sharing emotions, being vulnerable with each other, doing tantra. Most people find a comfortable level of closeness but that kills passion. Being uncomfortable and pushing to get closer to each other through combined sexual and emotional explorat… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/02/25 12:57 AM |
| 0 | The biggest threat to modern feminism is positive misogyny from women toward themselves and othersYes, the complicated part is that ALL science is built around theoretical frameworks. Some of them lend themselves to objectivity while others don't. The ones that don't can still produce good science, but may also produce fake or irrelevant science. I'm curious if you think there is a valid feminist framework other than equal rights based on personhood. I haven't seen any of value that don't invalidate the original goal of equality. FYI. I strongly disagree that gender bias is why women are per… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/02/25 08:27 PM |
| 0 | The biggest threat to modern feminism is positive misogyny from women toward themselves and othersThe biggest threat to feminism is when it stopped being about equal legal rights and became a theoretical framework to view the world through. At that point, anything disliked by any woman became a political issue that was a man's fault. That led to complete logical incoherence, lack of objectivity, multiple views on every topic, internal contradictions, double-standards, refusal to acknowledge other viewpoints (frameworks), and deliberate gender inequality. Current feminism is a ridiculous bag … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/02/25 06:46 PM |
| – | "Choose better" - What warning signs does Redpill think there are for abusive men?Also, Things you may do: hide your opinions because they will be a deal breaker, try to be in a good mood around him, wondering whether he will text you back, wondering if he is in to you, try to parse his mix signals, thinking of ways to surprise him or make him happy, do things sexually before you really wanted, get into a situationship you didn't really want, tell yourself "he's worth it," stop being afraid of making a mistake and go all in, get jealous, make excuses for him, accept lame excu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/02/25 06:29 AM |
| – | "Choose better" - What warning signs does Redpill think there are for abusive men?There are two problems with this list: 1) Some of these behaviors are only 1 type of abuse (generally insecure attachment style). 2) Many of the behaviors only come partway into a relationship so can't be seen early on. Avoidant attachment style will abuse people by treating them as disposable, only engaging while things are easy, only engaging when they get what they want when they want, lack of consideration, dismissive of your feelings, going silent, building distance to gain the upper hand. … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/02/25 06:28 AM |
| 1 | What Makes a Man Creepy?I gave several caveats to that statement. Also, what you said is the exact point... girls will "eventually" realize they don't have to deal with it. Then the HV guy moves on to the next girl who hasn't realized yet. That's why men advise women not to go after the most HV men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/02/25 06:56 PM |
| 1 | You can't justify loneliness by saying that some people are okay being lonely.1) Do you admit that a lot of men (according to themselves) feel this way (that sex increases intimacy)? 2) Are you claiming that the majority of women do NOT feel an increase of intimacy with sex? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/02/25 08:29 PM |
| 19 | What Makes a Man Creepy?You don't understand rule #1 of creepy. HV men can do anything without being creepy. The lower your value, the more you'll be perceived as creepy. That's why you can see women swooning over pictures of good looking violent criminals who have "anger" in their eyes. The proof is that whatever example you can use to claim someone is creepy can be met with a counter example of an HV doing the same who is not perceived as creepy. This obviously breaks down with the most extreme antisocial behaviors l… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/02/25 08:21 PM |
| 1 | You can't justify loneliness by saying that some people are okay being lonely.Did you even read what I wrote? I didn't say anything about all women. And I wasn't countering your experience with my own. I said: "YOU might feel that way (which I don't believe), but the vast majority of men do NOT. Are you seriously trying to claim that your personal preference overrides how millions of men experience reality?" | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/02/25 08:12 PM |
| 1 | You can't justify loneliness by saying that some people are okay being lonely.1) Maybe just deal with people's actual arguments rather than create imaginary ones? Also, saying people should give more people a chance to get to know them which may lead to increased attraction which may lead to a desire for sex is NOT the same as your claim... that women should be forced to sleep with random people. The problem here is that you have come to our discussion with a preconceived notion, a strawman argument, rather than actually listening 2) Again, you aren't being intellectually… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/02/25 08:10 PM |
| 1 | You can't justify loneliness by saying that some people are okay being lonely."Never in dispute" refers to my comments and our conversation. It was not a statement about every human in existence. Also, I've never said anyone was guaranteed to meet anyone. Why are you bringing in unrelated arguments while completely ignoring my comment/question in the my last response? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/02/25 07:38 PM |
| – | The Trans Debate, Physical Differences, and the Contradictions in Feminist Theory on Dating and SafetyOP didn't say anything about trans women being predators. lol. The OP was talking about fairness in sporting contests. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/02/25 07:35 PM |
| 0 | You can't justify loneliness by saying that some people are okay being lonely.YOU might feel that way (which I don't believe), but the vast majority of men do NOT. Are you seriously trying to claim that your personal preference overrides how millions of men experience reality? FYI. Of course, it's on each person to find someone who shares their values. That was never in dispute. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/02/25 07:14 PM |
| 1 | You can't justify loneliness by saying that some people are okay being lonely.It's not code. If men just wanted sex, we'd all be banging prostitutes. It's cheaper than getting married, simpler, and you get to order exactly what you want off the menu. So, your claim is provably false due to the low number of men that actually use prostitutes regularly. Even the ones that do will often tell you it isn't fulfilling. If focusing on other things worked, guys wouldn't be offing themselves. It might work for most women, but not for most men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/02/25 07:09 PM |
| – | Telling women not to change for men is actually toxic adviceMy statement is about WHY the woman doesn't have a desire to give in. You may want $100, but if you have to sign away the rights to your image/voice, you suddenly don't WANT the $100 any more. Underlying desires change based on competing desires, context, priorities, and power dynamics. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/02/25 07:02 PM |
| 3 | You can't justify loneliness by saying that some people are okay being lonely.1) If you want to get precise, no one is advocating that random people give you sex because you're complaining about it. 2) The same way it has rearranged itself for unattractive women. By pushing men to look at women as more than just trophy wives or sex dolls. Doing the same in reverse would be quite fitting. Having more understanding and advocacy for genuine connection rather than social media attention. It is not taking away someone's autonomy to encourage a more open mind, a holistic way of… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/25 09:45 PM |
| 1 | Heterosexuality is not sustainable by red pill logic.Homo/hetero sexuality isn't a choice so that doesn't really mean anything for the short term. In the long-term, it's already been theorized that homosexuality, decreased libido in men, or changes in women could be a long-term evolutionary adaptation. It could also go the other way... making men more competitive, violent, or surreptitious in mating stragies. Just none of us will be alive to see it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/25 09:24 PM |
| 5 | You can't justify loneliness by saying that some people are okay being lonely.1) Your example is flawed because we DO give random money to people who are broke... it's called the welfare system. 2) There are lots of problems that are "personal" problems that society rearranges itself to try and meet. In fact, someone could easily argue that society is COMPLETELY BUILT on helping people overcome their personal problems. 3) When it's "women are depressed" that's NOT a personal problem, but when "men are lonely" that's a personal problem. 4) I think the cure to loneliness is… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/25 07:59 PM |
| -5 | You can't justify loneliness by saying that some people are okay being lonely.Sex is not just about relieving horniness. In it's best context, it increases intimacy. Loneliness is not alleviated by standing next to people. It's alleviated by interpersonal connection (aka intimacy). The more intimate, the less lonely someone feels. So, by definition, friendships cannot reach the same depth as romantic relationships and therefore cannot alleviate loneliness to the same degree. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/25 07:52 PM |
| -1 | You can't justify loneliness by saying that some people are okay being lonely.How do you go from "most people are not okay being lonely" to "make women have unwanted sex?" lol. That is an IMPOSSIBLE logical leap. lol Also, hobbies, fitness, and career do very little to alleviate loneliness. Hobbies and fitness are often solitary endeavors. Everyone works, but very few people would say their job alleviates loneliness to any significant degree. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/25 07:38 PM |
| 4 | Feel like corporate influence isn't talked enough hereFree market is a reflection of gender differences, not a creator of them. Gender differences become greater when women have more equality/freedom. In the same way you can look at a sunset and feel it's beautiful without being told, men look at women and feel the same way. There is no culture where women are the predominant users of visual pornography and men are the predominant readers of romance novels. Sure, there may be subsets, like certain reddit forums, but not taken as a whole. I know peo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/25 07:19 PM |
| 1 | Telling women not to change for men is actually toxic adviceYou're factually incorrect. https://www.littlerockcosmeticsurgery.com/blog/breast-augmentation-implant-cost/ Additionally, even at a cost of 10-20K, all my points would still be valid. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/25 06:57 PM |
| 0 | Telling women not to change for men is actually toxic adviceFirst, one of my GF's got AMAZING implants locally for 5K while almost working a near minimum wage job (lived at home) so it's totally possible. My claim was based on the cost... that if women could double the quality of their prospects by spending $500/year, they would do so. The fact that they spend 5-10X more than that already on appearance proves that. I didn't claim all women want breast implants, but the majority of women seem to want them if it weren't for the cost. So my claim is that li… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/25 06:33 PM |
| – | Sex is a need.You missed the point... your implication that the reason your PC example was ludicrous was because tax payers would have to buy it for you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/25 05:16 PM |
| 0 | “Needs Vs Wants” (The Truth of the Matter)So, you are claiming you are can live in a 6 foot pine box buried alive your whole life and you don't need anything as long as air, water, and waste are taken care of? Sounds sus. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/25 03:59 PM |
| 1 | “Needs Vs Wants” (The Truth of the Matter)And a person with diabetes needs insulin or they will do... so, obviously needs DO differentiate between people. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/25 03:59 PM |
| -3 | women often go to the all or nothing fallacy when Debating because compromise feels like losing to themThe purpose of communication is to transfer an idea. Logic is the only way to do that effectively. While there are some things that are not logical propositions (such as your favorite food) communication has a purpose and therefore has logical coherence as part of it's optimization. That's why I didn't just reply with what my favorite foods are. My use of logic is more geared toward the philosophical axioms of logic. Those assumptions actually underpin most everything we understand even though m… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/25 06:51 AM |
| – | Sex is a need.No one has said that all needs must be fulfilled by the government. What kind of wacko Marcism thinking leads to that insane conclusion? Also, there ARE government programs that give people phones and computers so you may want to use a different example. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/25 04:45 AM |
| – | Sex is a need.Great example. Their lunatic way of thinking breaks down on so many levels I don't understand how someone can sincerely hold that attitude. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/25 04:44 AM |
| – | Sex is a need.I completely agree... It's crazy. It must be that the feminist women are mostly Marxists that think any "need" must be fulfilled by the government or something. That line of thinking is SO out of the mainstream of American culture that anyone who says that is automatically showing they are in a tiny, extreme echo chamber bubble. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/25 04:43 AM |
| 0 | Telling women not to change for men is actually toxic advice1) You can get implants for as little as 5K (and they might have to be replaced after a long while)... that comes out to $41/month over 10 years. No woman is staying below that monthly cost for Botox, filler, tanning, and hair treatments/extensions over that same 10 years. This doesn't even include braces, makeup, diet supplements/medications, clothing, and handbags/shoes that go unused for months or years at a time. 2) Most women would jump at the chance to pay $500/year to double the quality o… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/02/25 04:30 AM |
| – | Women DO lie about their preferences, and research shows it.My comment just linked to an infograph from the study showing it DOES include personality... disproving your claim for irrelevance. Just admit you are wrong. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/25 08:54 PM |
| – | Women DO lie about their preferences, and research shows it.First, the abstract states that women's stated preferences for physical attractiveness is lower than their revealed preferences. That absolutely DOES support half of OP's thesis. In addition, his other link showing an infograph from that same study: https://pancakemouse.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/relationship_predictors_infographic-800.gif absolutely shows personality was specifically measured as well. So, you're doubly wrong. And you've shown you didn't even look at the evidence p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/25 08:44 PM |
| – | Women DO lie about their preferences, and research shows it.You aren't looking at the cited study: https://psycnet.apa.org/doiLanding?doi=10.1037%2F0022-3514.94.2.245 The abstract: "In paradigms in which participants state their ideal romantic-partner preferences or examine vignettes and photographs, men value physical attractiveness more than women do, and women value earning prospects more than men do." "Replicating previous research, participants exhibited traditional sex differences when stating the importance of physical attractiveness and earning p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/25 08:30 PM |
| 3 | Being likable does not mean being sexually attractive.I have noticed she posts a lot and ignores the glaring, provable flaws pointed out in her arguments. Beginning to think she is a troll more than someone wanting a real discussion. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/25 08:22 PM |
| 1 | Being likable does not mean being sexually attractive.That is not a rebuttable to anything I said. lol. So... you are admitting the more a girl likes a guy, the more she wants to sleep with him (in general)? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/25 08:19 PM |
| – | Women DO lie about their preferences, and research shows it.Were you able to see the full study? Because the abstract doesn't say that at all. It says exactly what OP stated. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/25 08:17 PM |
| 1 | Telling women not to change for men is actually toxic adviceI think a lot of that advice of "managing a man" was how to manipulate him and covertly get him to change. Some of it may also have been more along the lines of "stop being a spoiled SAHM and realize how easy you have it." Either way, it's not the 50's any more and that's not what women have heard for at least 20-40 years. Boys are also told not to squirm and much worse, they're sedated on adderall for just being normal boys. They also have gender norms enforced on them. Overall, the OP was sayi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/25 06:33 AM |
| 0 | The Age Gap "Issue" Is a Modern InventionThe issue comes from a few things: 1) Older women not wanting the competition 2) Younger women are less confident, more submissive, and generally more agreeable which makes them more susceptible to abusers. However, men are generally more violent when younger and an older man will value a younger girl more so I don't think it's clear that an age gap leads to worse treatment. 3) A contradiction in feminism that says an 18 year old girl is perfectly capable of making all her own decisions and shou… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/25 06:22 AM |
| 0 | The Age Gap "Issue" Is a Modern InventionIt's NOT "predatory" to go where you are more likely to find what you like. Are women predatory for going to a game dev convention to find guys that make good money and don't have a lot of female options? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/25 06:12 AM |
| 3 | The worst thing we can do as men is complain.Complaining IS a waste of time, but discussing issues is NOT. Don't let people claim discussion is the same as complaining. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/25 05:29 AM |
| -4 | women often go to the all or nothing fallacy when Debating because compromise feels like losing to themAll communication should be logical. If not, it is by definition illogical which definitionally can't be optimal. In your example, people generally don't have an obligation to debate something (except in positions of power) so the logical response would be saying something like "I don't want to discuss my dating choices right now." It would not be to get angry, lie about her dating history, or any other indirect avoidance maneuver. I do agree that asking for sources is a red flag for me because … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/25 05:23 AM |
| 6 | Being likable does not mean being sexually attractive.Your entire post is flawed because: The more a girl likes a guy, the more she wants to sleep with him. The less she likes him, the less she wants to have sex with him. Also, no one tells guys “Being nice makes a girl like you" with the goal of getting in the friend zone. They are saying it in the context of getting into a romantic relationship which would obviously include sex at some point. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/25 05:09 AM |
| 0 | Telling women not to change for men is actually toxic adviceWhat men find attractive or not is just a fact of reality. Whether you learn that from your own experience, your parents, or a magazine is irrelevant. It honestly sounds like women are just mad about reality. If there was a law passed tomorrow that said nobody could ever imply a woman should change anything about herself, women would all still be doing the exact same things because they would still compete and learn what men are attracted to without a word ever being spoken. Most women don't do … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/25 05:01 AM |
| 1 | Telling women not to change for men is actually toxic adviceYou misread what I wrote... I said implants INSTEAD of botox, lip filler, tanning, and hair extensions. The point was to show how women are already perfectly happy to spend money to modify their body in unhealthy ways that men don't really even care about. Also, I'd call this one a preference, not an expectation, but the point of my reply was not to argue how important each of those may be... it was to show how the gender game of telephone warps communication. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/25 04:38 AM |
| 1 | Appeal to nature arguments and what humans historically did are dumbNot sure what you mean be "determine sociological intent." Most of our biology is not YET linkable to specific DNA sequences. We don't know where the gene is to determine how tall you will be, but would you say making a genetic claim is erroneous in that case? The idea that we need the entire genome understood before inferring genetic influence goes against most science. Twin studies, animal behavior, cross-cultural studies, medical interventions, and actual studies all help point to whether som… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/25 04:30 AM |
| -1 | Telling women not to change for men is actually toxic adviceWho specifically said those words to you "if you lost weight you'd be so pretty?" My claim is not that no woman has ever been told this. My claim is that, in general, the average woman is told "don't change" 100X more. And when they are told to change to attract a man, it's 10X more likely to be from another woman. Last, if they do choose to change, it's not because they were told to, it's because they realize the truth behind the claim. Adult women don't just do what they are told. Not even TRP… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/25 04:16 AM |
| 0 | Telling women not to change for men is actually toxic adviceThanks... I often think part of the gender divide is communication. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/02/25 04:05 AM |
| 1 | Telling women not to change for men is actually toxic adviceIt's not communication. Women freaking KNOW what men want. It comes down to 2 things: 1) woman doesn't want to give a man what he wants (submission, energy, etc) 2) women see relationships as a power struggle where withholding what a man wants is how they keep/gain power Unfortunately, #2 seems to be the most dominant reason because all women seem to just magically be able to get over #1 for the right guy at least temporarily. The only time where a woman "doesn't know what a man wants" is when t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/25 09:59 PM |
| 2 | Telling women not to change for men is actually toxic adviceYou just proved my point. All your examples are women electing to consume media that caters to that internalized desire. It's all preaching to the choir. No women pickup a magazine and go "omg, there's an article that says guys aren't into fat chicks... I never knew that." Instead, they buy the magazine that says "10 tips to a flat tummy" on the cover because they already have that internalized ideal. At best, you could argue it's a self-reenforcing feedback loop. And where they are getting the … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/25 09:40 PM |
| – | Why is New Age Lingo So Popular With Women?That's fine. I'm not RP. But I am curious if you care to list some. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/25 09:27 PM |
| 0 | Telling women not to change for men is actually toxic advice“Be skinny but have the proportions I like" =Don't be obese. If your body type needs it, consider breast implants instead of lip fillers, botox, tanning, and hair extensions. "Always be happy no matter what’s happening" =Stop constantly complaining and try to have fun like when we first met "Don’t express yourself too much" =Stop overreacting to every little thing and being a drama queen "Your ambitions are irrelevant. Only your ability to care for cook or clean" =My attraction to you isn't base… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/25 09:26 PM |
| -1 | Telling women not to change for men is actually toxic adviceWomen are NOT into self-help because they are being told to change... they are in it because they aren't happy or want more out of life. Women are also drawn to snake oil shortcuts (MLM's, wicca, astrology, etc) which self-help is full of. FYI. Very rarely are women told something as obvious as "lose weight to attract more men." Instead, they learn this is how reality works and internalize it. If a woman never figured out that weight is directly correlated with how people treat women in modern s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/25 09:08 PM |
| -2 | Telling women not to change for men is actually toxic adviceI agree that OP is dead wrong in one respect... women DO know what men want. Sometimes they just don't care or like you said may be confused/overwhelmed. Where I disagree: I think a lot of women look at "changing to please a man" as putting on an act instead of internally maturing into a better person and partner. It's the difference between a girl who has "chore" sex because she doesn't want her partner to get upset versus a girl who wants to be emotionally closer to her partner. Any girl can d… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/25 05:05 AM |
| 2 | Appeal to nature arguments and what humans historically did are dumbI agree that saying "we used to do it this way so we should keep doing it this way" is usually a terrible argument. However, if they are saying "we used to do it this way because there is an underlying genetic component to animal/human behavior" then it's a useful step in a larger discussion whose ultimate decision is not clear. The reason is because the only alternative explanation is blank slate societal programming which we know is wrong or incomplete. Figuring out WHY people have certain des… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/25 04:51 AM |
| 1 | Why Men Are Doomed Due to Hypergamy in Modern SocietyMy language was deliberately gender neutral in point 1 so yes, that same principal (not standard) is applied to men as well. It's a well established psychological problem so take it up with academia if you have an issue with it. Yes, if there is solid data showing a difference between stated preferences and behavior without other contextual explanations, you SHOULD make that point regardless of gender. An example where it would not apply is one where the outcome is largely out of the person's co… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 05/02/25 04:39 AM |
| 1 | Why Men Are Doomed Due to Hypergamy in Modern SocietyFirst, there is a long line of study in psychology around the difference between stated preferences and actual behavior (for all people). This is not a new problem or even controversial. One of the most obvious and common is how people state they want to lose weight but do not change their diet or start working out. Things like this show human psychology is more complicated than people just saying what they want. Second, it's because women want multiple things in a relationship, some of which ar… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/25 07:51 PM |
| 1 | Why is New Age Lingo So Popular With Women?You'd need to be a lot more specific before I could agree with any of that. TRP has many data-based opinions. Alpha behavior started as a descriptor of group dynamics, not just prescriptive. Evo psych is the only theory for explaining much of human behavior other than blank slate societal programming which we know is wrong or incomplete. Attempts to categorize and explain human behavior is very different than how new age invents baseless explanations that have been unquestionably proven false de… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/25 07:43 PM |
| 1 | Why is New Age Lingo So Popular With Women?lol. interesting. I thought all that stuff was thoroughly debunked like 70 years ago. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/25 07:34 PM |
| – | You can't complain about women not being nice to men and then justify men being creepy to women that are nice to them.Tit for tat works in a 1-on-1 situation, but you're right, it's wholly inappropriate when used with groups/categories. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/25 06:45 PM |
| 1 | Why is New Age Lingo So Popular With Women?You didn't say you don't use slang because of a practical approach to your multicultural lifestyle. You said you "hate" it, have a "white hot hatred" for it, and it's insular. That's old person thinking. Now you're changing your reasons. Every culture and subculture has slang. Are you now saying you hate all slang from all cultures? Do you think language shouldn't evolve with the next generation as it always has? Do you understand that today's slang is tomorrow's common usage? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/25 06:43 PM |
| 4 | Social Media Teaches Women They are Better Than MenI agree. The solution to women overvaluing themselves is for men to stop giving them attention, stop helping them, and stop paying for things for them unless it is reciprocal. I mean this in the general sense, not the sex worker sense. Most women understand the separation between their day-to-day life and customers. Plus, most women don't do sex work or for very long. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/25 06:43 PM |
| 1 | Why Men Are Doomed Due to Hypergamy in Modern SocietyCompassion in the moment from a partner is one thing. Read testimonies from guys and many do not get even that basic courtesy. Having displays of emotion escalate the relationship as implied by your comments, is even more rare according to the average guy's lived experience. I'm glad you found something that worked, but "guys being more emotional" is not the answer to most men's struggles with dating. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/25 06:26 PM |
| 0 | Why Men Are Doomed Due to Hypergamy in Modern SocietyThe testimony of most men's lived experience. FYI. There is a large difference between what women say they want and what they actually respond positively or negatively to. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/25 06:21 PM |
| 2 | Why Men Are Doomed Due to Hypergamy in Modern SocietyLike I said... a niche. The vast majority of women are repulsed by that in most circumstances. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/25 11:41 AM |
| 2 | Why is New Age Lingo So Popular With Women?I go on evidence and the evidence shows that auras, energy healing, tarot, and astrology have zero validity. In fact, most spirituality has no evidence or has a non-spiritual psychological counterpart. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/25 11:07 AM |
| 1 | Why is New Age Lingo So Popular With Women?I think women want to believe in these things because it seems to justify their emotions. AKA. The "I can read people's auras" or "I can energy heal" nonsense. Things like tarot and astrology give them something to focus feelings on like "getting excited for change" or "worrying about a coming darkness." Some take it seriously and think it adds weight to their feelings while others partake in it kind of like reading a book... going through the emotions while knowing (or at least suspecting) it's… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/25 10:49 AM |
| 1 | Why is New Age Lingo So Popular With Women?That's how old people think. And it sounds like you're the one with provincial insularity. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/25 10:43 AM |
| 0 | Why Men Are Doomed Due to Hypergamy in Modern SocietyThat's where women who filter on the 6's come from. The more separation between people, the more utilitarian (or psychopathic) their behavior. Anonymity, distance, and endless options encourage that from both sides. However, when one side is 5X pickier than the other, that side would be more psychopathic by your standards. I think most people see much more than a checklist once they get to know someone. For online dating, you have to get past the checklist first though. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/25 10:38 AM |
| 1 | Why Men Are Doomed Due to Hypergamy in Modern SocietyI'm calling BS on some of this. 1) The stats show modest profiles get almost NO attention from women. Unless you are good looking, tall, or make a lot of money, they aren't even reading your profile. 2) Crying when a girl says she is breaking up with you almost NEVER secures that relationship, especially if she is used to seeing you emotional. Kids, don't try this at home. 3) Most women do not roll their eyes at alpha types unless they're being cartoonish. They actually watch them, get out of th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/25 10:35 AM |
| 0 | The parents of boys have an obligation to teach them about attracting womenUnfortunately, it's worse than that. The dating advice is often blue pill garbage. I think 90% of guys grow up with blue pill advice. The smart ones go through a painful process in their early 20's that shows them the advice wasn't just wrong, it was backwards. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/25 10:10 AM |
| 9 | What are your thoughts on vasectomies?Ok, last time because you're hopelessly ignorant: 1) Eugenics is selective breeding of a POPULATION. One person choosing not to breed is NOT eugenics by definition. 2) As stated, you can still have kids with a simple 30 minute procedure to extract the sperm so even with your incorrect definition of eugenics, a vasectomy doesn't fit. 3) Do your research. There are no nerves cut. The tube that carries sperm from the balls to the penis is cut. That's it. The sperm are still made in the balls, they … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/25 10:06 AM |
| – | Many people mistakenly confuse “bullshit radar” with a “fragile male ego” and lack of self-confidenceIt does contribute to men getting laid less and sometimes it does stem from insecurity, but mostly it's not from insecurity. A relationship is about getting to understand someone and predict future outcomes. Asking someone to completely ignore your entire relationship history and pretending every time a guy meets a girl, she is a blank slate, is delusion. If you were being intellectually honest, you'd advise women to not ask men if they have ever cheated on, sexually assaulted, or physically abu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/25 05:48 AM |
| 11 | What are your thoughts on vasectomies?Your arguments are worthless... Any medical procedure is viewed differently if it is elective or forced. I had a vasectomy over a decade ago and there are NO side effects. No woman can tell if you've had one. You can't even tell if you've had one. You have to have a semen sample tested to even know if it worked. There are NO differences. Your body still generates sperm which can easily be removed and used for fertilization. It just can't come out the tip of your penis anymore. Doing this procedu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/25 05:32 AM |
| 10 | You can't complain about women not being nice to men and then justify men being creepy to women that are nice to them.1) Nobody is justifying men being "creepy" to women. 2) Men are goal-oriented. We only interact with people if we have a reason. As you get older or more social, you gain more, generalized reasons. That's why 60 year old guys will talk anyone's ear off, but 22 year old guys are usually busy doing their own thing. I'd also argue that women only interact with people when they have a reason but that's another discussion and a lot more complex. 3) You're committing a black and white fallacy. You pre… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/02/25 05:17 AM |
| 2 | Madonna/Whore: the male dual mating strategy, and how women can protect themselves from male resentment1) Your criteria is flawed because the top x% of men hold the madonna/whore dichotomy more strongly than average men... why? because they can be more picky and discarding. The reason top x% of men appear to be different is because they are type 2 per my earlier comment... they don't really care about the relationship because they can just get another. 2) Are you going to clarify in your OP that those 5 bullet points must each be accompanied by insecurity to be a valid filter? 3) For your focus t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/02/25 09:25 PM |
| 2 | CMV: It's ok to break up or divorce, even if nothing is going wrongThat's not an argument and your initial post could be dismissed with the same rhetorical response... it's for them to find out if they will be happy staying in a marriage and not for you to worry about. In this case, it's actually more useful because at least the damage is contained to that one relationship/person. In your case, you're advocating having lots of people out there continually damaging multiple partners. So, if anyone should "be quiet and let people decide/live" it should be you on … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/02/25 09:04 PM |
| 2 | Madonna/Whore: the male dual mating strategy, and how women can protect themselves from male resentmentOnly 1 out of your 5 bullet points mention insecurity. The rest simply mention a preference or behavior. If you really meant that those preferences should be accompanied by insecurity as part of the filter, you should clarify that. The problem is: saying only x% of men are date-able creates the supply/demand problem that makes those x% of men act differently. You can't have all women chasing 10% of men and not have those 10% of men be dating 10 girls at a time, putting in no effort, and ultimate… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/02/25 09:00 PM |
| 1 | Madonna/Whore: the male dual mating strategy, and how women can protect themselves from male resentmentMy claim is that there will be many more men who fall into patterns 1 and 2 than your claimed pattern 3 which is the "different" man. Even if say, 10% of men, were different, you've just told 100% of women to compete for them which turns them into the top 10% again and all the problems that entails. Also, men can actually dislike something for reasons other than "insecurity." So, again, you're not weeding out for "insecurity," because there are plenty of reasons to have the attitudes you describ… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/02/25 05:27 PM |
| 3 | CMV: It's ok to break up or divorce, even if nothing is going wrongThe argument goes for both partners and your baseless assumptions and exaggerations are irrelevant. Because the pattern will repeat with another person if you are the problem. That's literally the recipe for destroying multiple lives. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/02/25 05:01 PM |
| 0 | Madonna/Whore: the male dual mating strategy, and how women can protect themselves from male resentmentI do partially agree with you on male nature... you just overcomplicated things. If this is truly male nature, aren't you actually telling women to select for men who either 1) are hiding their nature or 2) don't care about your future behavior (no LTR)? That sounds like horrible advice. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/02/25 08:11 AM |
| 2 | Madonna/Whore: the male dual mating strategy, and how women can protect themselves from male resentmentGuys want a girl they are with to act like a whore for them and the madonna for anyone else. Secondarily, most guys devalue "sluts" because the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior making it less likely that a girl who sleeps around will never do so again. It's that simple. You didn't need all those words. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/02/25 07:27 AM |
| 1 | How do you think porn is actually different from (stereotypically) women reading erotica/romance novels/smut?And I can link you to deadbedroomwife subs, but that would be as useless as your link. Just because a small percentage of men have an issue they blame porn for doesn't mean every guy who looks at porn will have problems. In fact, we know that's not the case because 99% of guys watch porn and the vast majority of them have no issue. As much as you'd like to think everyone who watches porn has problems, that's not reality. You're literally denying reality on an experiment that has been running for… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/02/25 06:53 AM |
| 2 | CMV: It's ok to break up or divorce, even if nothing is going wrong1) Anyone agreeing with OP is doing this. 2) Lying is immoral. Anyone with OP stance is getting married under false pretenses. In cases where contracts can be broken, there are PENALTIES for the party in breach. 3) The OP and vid never mention "falling out of love" which would be something "wrong." You're having to make a lot of assumptions to justify your stance. If you're saying that divorce is a reasonable option for a couple that has fallen out of love and earnestly tried to fix things for a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/02/25 06:47 AM |
| -1 | How do you think porn is actually different from (stereotypically) women reading erotica/romance novels/smut?ED is very rare for anyone under like 50... it's nowhere near a significant cause of relationship ending reasons. Women not having sex with their husbands is like 100X more common. And there are lots of metrics showing that women's social media usage skews their idea of what the average man's income is, consumerism, and relationship expectations. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/02/25 06:23 AM |
| 3 | CMV: It's ok to break up or divorce, even if nothing is going wrongThank you for the compliment, but you're mistaken... I am not a psychologist and therefore am not making a diagnosis. In the general lexicon, it is a reference to people showing self-centered thinking and narcissistic behaviors. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/02/25 01:50 AM |
| 5 | CMV: It's ok to break up or divorce, even if nothing is going wrong1) Going in knowing you won't follow through on a commitment IS lying. Othewise, you'd just say "together until I don't feel like it anymore." No, it's never moral to lie. There ARE contexts where it may be MORE immoral to tell the truth and they all are based on the threat of force which is not the case here. 2) This isn't cute. It's a VERY important point that law and morals are NOT the same thing. And yes, if you sign a legal contract, you have to suck it up and fulfill that contract... if yo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/02/25 01:38 AM |
| 35 | CMV: It's ok to break up or divorce, even if nothing is going wrong1) Wrong. Marriage is a commitment. LTR's are a commitment. If you want to breakup whenever you feel like it, don't lie to your partner by saying you are committed. Fraud/lying is wrong in all contexts. 2) Just because something is legal doesn't mean it's moral. 3) If you have been in LTR with someone, you DO owe them some communication on why you are breaking that commitment. You sound like a narcissist. People are not tools/pawns. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 09:24 PM |
| – | Please explain more about "I want women to be honest about their preferences"That's fear-based thinking. Understanding reality is always a benefit. If half of guys don't want Asian chicks, you need to know that (not the case btw). If you keep getting ghosted by guys and you mistakenly think it's because everyone's racist when it might actually be your personality, you need to know that. Women's higher risk aversion in social situations is driving your line of thinking. Guys would rather know. Also, a guy being too short or a girl being too Asian is something that is weed… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 09:21 PM |
| – | People simply don't understand each other, and this impacts empathyThis is partially true, but the problem is deeper than that. The schism is an argument about reality, values, and solutions to problems. First, IRL men already extend way more empathy toward women than they get. All a woman has to do is walk into a room of guys and say "someone was mean to me" and they make all over her. The other way around, you might get 1 or 2 women pretend to care for a minute. That scales with the severity of the issue, like male suicide. When you compare objective reality,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 09:20 PM |
| 0 | How do you think porn is actually different from (stereotypically) women reading erotica/romance novels/smut?First, I never said how much porn I watch. That is irrelevant to the discussion. Second, "a lot" is not subjective. It's determined by the bell curve of human behavior statistics the same way height is. If you are 3 feet tall, that doesn't mean someone 4 foot high is "tall." How on Earth can you go through life just comparing everyone to your own personal behavior with no regard for at large human behavior? If you don't play piano, is someone who practices 2 hours a week practicing "a lot?" If s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 09:07 PM |
| – | Feminism and the Noble SavageTechnically, you can't because they are dead. But if you mean in an abstract sense, yes, you are free to do something dumb, wrong, and pointless. However, by that logic, you should be much more focused on figuring out what the morals 10K years in the future will be rather than dissecting the past. You're obviously not being honest because not even a total moron could think an example of changing morals was equating rape with a cheeseburger. Bye. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 08:58 PM |
| -2 | How do you think porn is actually different from (stereotypically) women reading erotica/romance novels/smut?I completely disagree. Seeing rich people on vacation all the time probably does 10X more to hurt relationships (female expectations) than porn. Very few guys leave a relationship because their girl doesn't look and act like a porn star... it's just not a real problem. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 08:50 PM |
| 0 | How do you think porn is actually different from (stereotypically) women reading erotica/romance novels/smut?2 hours a week is not a lot. That's like saying someone who watches one movie a week watches "a lot" of movies. Most people would consider that to barely qualify as a hobby if it were painting or playing an instrument. "A lot" is dictated by statistical averages so his stats actually DO refute your point. Your personal porn viewing habits are irrelevant. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 01/02/25 08:38 PM |
| – | Please explain more about "I want women to be honest about their preferences"I haven't really dated in years so this is more from my perspective as a 20-something: 1) Tell requirements (not preferences) online. Get into preferences more in person because they are not absolute. 2) Yes, women should actually tell the truth, like "the conversation was boring." A lot of the feedback wouldn't be deep enough on it's own, but it would at least give guys a chance to figure out what's going on rather than just being ghosted. 3) Women are attracted to guys who get lots of attentio… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/25 09:56 PM |
| 3 | How do you think porn is actually different from (stereotypically) women reading erotica/romance novels/smut?It seems disingenuous to argue that watching a couple hours of porn a week is significantly rewiring men's brains but the 24/7 use of social media is not doing the same to women. The latter has actually been shown in many psychological studies. Also, unless you have a chemical imbalance, dopamine response can be retrained within a few days. It's not as big a deal as people claim it is. Also, dopamine hits on anything people like. So you're basically saying if people like something, it's bad. But… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/25 09:43 PM |
| 1 | Feminism and the Noble SavageAgain, there is no logical contradiction if rape didn't exist at some point. It IS asking a LOT to believe that and it's highly unlikely, but it's not logically contradictory. Also, I didn't say it's not rape if the person can't deny consent... I said in prehistorical cultures, the idea of consent may not have existed at a societal or personal level. For instance, 5000 years ago, nobody thought they had freedom of speech against people in power or the right to emancipate themselves from their pa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/25 09:32 PM |
| 1 | The biggest dating issues for men is laziness and unrealistic expectations.So you accept the other two modifiers that invalidate the pay gap? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/25 09:24 PM |
| 1 | Feminism and the Noble SavageThis is aweful logic. 1) I've never heard feminists say there wasn't rape in the past. 2) Feminism is not dependent on rape culture... that's just one claim. 3) There is no logical contradiction between saying there used to be no rape culture and now there is rape culture (myth) 4) Not even sure you can have the concept of rape when the concept of consent doesn't exist. Can an animalistic savage know that it's wrong to have sex with a woman if the woman understand she can say no? 50,000 years ag… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/25 07:15 AM |
| 4 | The biggest dating issues for men is laziness and unrealistic expectations.The gender pay gap is NOT comparing same job to same job. That's why it's a myth. The pay gap doesn't correct for hours worked, job titles, and time off. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLzTpj7DZUA | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/25 06:42 AM |
| 1 | Do guys in the top 10-20% act similarly to these women people complain about?The main complaint of TRP is that women are unrealistically picky. Anybody in the top 10% of either gender is going to be realistically very picky so it's not a fair comparison. Guys in the top 10% treat women as disposable and generally get away with lots of questionable behavior. However, guys in the top 10% are often honest about it telling girls they just want to fuck from the beginning and girls go "okay." Leonardo Dicaprio is not hiding the fact he dates a dozen 22 year olds at any given t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/25 06:24 AM |
| 2 | Ladies: The reason why you don't encounter the type of women that men complain is because these type of women are normally decieving you.That's true, but it's worse than that. Women often lie to themselves about their own behavior and don't see the objective reality of the man's behavior. It's why you get a woman saying her husband was a control freak because he never let her go out with her female friends. In reality, she was caught making out with guys when she went out to bars til 2 AM with her single female friends. I have a friend who lives with his GF and she's a total control freak, but anytime he asks for minimal consider… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/25 05:49 AM |
| 2 | Too many guys connect attraction to displaying human decency.You answered your own question just with the title. Average guys connect attraction with human decency because they rarely receive that from women. If they received it regularly, they would think lots of women are attracted to them, which they obviously don't. The rest of your post is unconnected thoughts so I'll respond to them separately. 1) Landwhales comment: the male version of the comment communicates that women overvalue themselves and the reason for that. It's an analysis of society. You… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 31/01/25 05:37 AM |
| 3 | Men that tell women to “just choose better”, how do you feel about the exodus of women in the dating market?Interesting study, but pretty worthless. The studies use self-reporting so it's quite possible women simply said they felt more empathy or compassion than they did (possibly in order to appear to be "better" people). Someone could also argue that men self-reported less empathy and compassion because of male "social programming." The donation study has lots of unknowns. What cause were they asked to donate to (could it have been a women's charity)? It doesn't track disposable income to donations … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 30/01/25 06:35 AM |
| 2 | Men that tell women to “just choose better”, how do you feel about the exodus of women in the dating market?This sub may not be a good sample of men, but no one is here looking for dates. Also, men venting online is not a contra-indicator of these traits. Often the ones who are the most bitter about women are the ones who have these traits and see nothing or worse, betrayal, for them. Same goes for women. In feminist subs, there's a lot of venting that doesn't indicate what those women are like IRL. And some of the ones who are the angriest were ones who were very caring, loyal, and giving to a bad ma… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/01/25 04:39 PM |
| 2 | Men that tell women to “just choose better”, how do you feel about the exodus of women in the dating market?Your entire comment is a non-sequitur. Choosing better has nothing to do with which gender "is better." In the same way, telling men to only date girls with DD or bigger breasts has nothing to do with the size of men's chests. There's no logical correlation. I'll break it down further: 1) Even if your claims were true, it doesn't speak at all to what portion of the bell curve women are choosing men from. For instance, if women are mostly choosing guys from the lower 50% of that "good trait" curv… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/01/25 07:11 AM |
| 1 | Selective Service is not proof that men have harder lives1) I guess you'd think it wasn't a big deal if there were a Selective Sex Service for women where if the birth rate fell too low, they'd start drawing numbers where you got paired with a single guy and had to make a baby? Probably never get used... just a hypothetical, so no problem with that law, right? 2) Funny to watch women go from "my body, my choice" to "it's an inconvenience" in one second. 3) Getting pregnant is just a hypothetical too until it happens. Despite the above statements, I ac… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/01/25 06:51 AM |
| 1 | Women are the superior gender for modern society.This is interesting and something I've thought about for a while, but ultimately, you're missing a lot of points: 1) Risk taking, confidence, and competitiveness are beneficial in a lot of business circumstances. 2) Many crucial jobs like factory work, construction, mining, law enforcement, etc are more physical. 3) The "female" worker (as you describe her) may be generally better suited toward routine, people centric jobs but that is only a fraction of jobs out there and possibly the least impo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/01/25 06:37 AM |
| 2 | The meaning of the phrases “Just choose better” is much simpler and less terrible1) When men say "choose better," they mean choose guys who are caring, loyal, honest, thoughtful, and communicative. Women hear "choose guys who are more attractive (in the general sense, not just physical)." 2) Most women would rather get pumped and dumped by someone they are highly attracted to than "settle" for someone because it's based on their self-esteem. 3) I certainly think men need to be much pickier from ONS to LTR's. And even if not picky, set bigger boundaries on the relationship so… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/01/25 06:22 AM |
| 16 | Men that tell women to “just choose better”, how do you feel about the exodus of women in the dating market?When men say "choose better," they mean choose guys who are caring, loyal, honest, thoughtful, and communicative. Women hear "choose guys who are more attractive (in the general sense, not just physical)." | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/01/25 06:11 AM |
| 2 | It’s not that goodness/niceness isnt appreciated. Just stop being a doormat.True. Women don't want to admit it, but I've seen it work for guys too. Also, I've never heard that orbitors have "obnoxious egos." lol | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/01/25 06:03 AM |
| 7 | It’s not that goodness/niceness isnt appreciated. Just stop being a doormat.So if a guy is nicer to his wife of 10 years than to a strange woman at the checkout line, he's being performative to his wife? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/01/25 06:00 AM |
| 1 | The male loneliness epidemic is worse than you think.Wow, you didn't even address the actual critique of your original statement. Guess there is no defense of that contradiction. Also, your reply is mostly "internal challenges" which are problems you created through your own choices. Last, I don't believe anyone that says they were able to pay for 4 kids and pay off a mortgage working (federal) minimum wage without any assistance. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/01/25 05:06 AM |
| – | In heterosexuality, feeling lesser is an important theme. For both genders.Not sure lessor is the right term. Most women need to feel a man is higher status than her. Men do not need this and in fact can be a turn off. Male attraction is largely based on looks and most young men would be happy to have a dozen female sex slaves. Women OTOH primarily feel attraction based on perceived social standing and want a "dominant" man which is part of the reason their attraction generally falls over time in a low-drama LTR. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/01/25 07:17 PM |
| 3 | The male loneliness epidemic is worse than you think."No outside challenges are holding anyone back" and "we are handed the card we’re dealt" are direct contradictions to each other. Challenges are definitionally things that hold people back (not necessarily permanently or strongly). "Outside challenges" would be part of the cards we're dealt. So, by your own words, there ARE outside challenges that hold people back. While I agree that a victim mindset is a recipe for disaster, denying that people have different outside challenges is delusional. Y… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 27/01/25 06:10 AM |
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