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Also…if there is one debbie downer in the friend is constantly interfering / cock blocking interactions where that her (better-looking) girlfriends are legitimately enjoying / reciprocating…she’s gonna get dropped from the friend group pretty quickly. 🤷🏻‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 06:27 PM
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But are men who are 8+ in looks really hooking up with 3/4 women with any sort of regularity? When they already can get a 7+ woman for an LTR and 5/6 women for situationships? There are only so many hours in the day after all…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/24 02:44 PM
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So leaving a man with obvious anger issues is giving up too easily? But If she stayed with him and the abuse escalated (as it generally does) you all would have said she ignored red flags and should’ve vetted better.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/24 08:56 PM
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True, but I feel like it’s different when the athlete in question is literally the GOAT. Like for example, swimming isn’t that popular, but Michael Phelps was still a household name. Simone Biles is to gymnastics what Michael Phelps was to swimming.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 09:36 PM
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“Some average woman”??? She’s the greatest gymnast of all time.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 08:35 PM
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I don’t find this video hard to believe at all, tbh. If you take 100 couples where both mom and dad work full-time, I would bet my life savings that virtually every working mom is going to know the following about her child(ren): -Birthdate. -Current grade in school. -Names of all their teachers / the principal / bus driver. -Names of their children’s closest friends. -Which subjects their child excels at, which subjects their child struggles in. -What their child wants for their next birthday o…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 09:17 PM
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How is that “protecting her from getting hurt?” By “keeping her around” for sex (because you’ve lied about wanting a relationship) isn’t she wasting her time with you if she wants a relationship with someone?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/24 11:03 PM
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Not only were the men happier, but the women didn't have to work. Obviously, that's pretty lit. Women could just focus on domestic tasks and taking care of children, which is also good. It’s good for women who want to be SAHMs. Not so good for women who don’t have that desire. Also, 1950s housewife archetype mostly applied to middle or upper class women. Lower class women always had to work. Women were happier in that environment than they are now slaving away for some CEO's bottom line. It’s no…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 10:09 PM
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But your argument is that today’s female selectivity is inflated due to access to better guys on apps. How do you know that the more equal pairing in the 1950s wasn’t because women’s ability to choose was artificially constrained? When women needed a man to survive financially / socially, were they really “free” to pick?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 09:50 PM
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Are you an average women in looks? If you are, then you should find your looks match, an average man, as attractive or there is something wrong. Why “should” they? In nature we see that females are inherently more selective than males, probably due to their larger reproductive burden. Why would humans be different? Maybe the “natural” match for a male 7 is a female 5?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 09:38 PM
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Idk. Doesn’t the data show that Gen Z women are having less sex / fewer sexual partners than previous generations? I’m an Elder millennial / Xennial, who spent high school and college years engaging in a fair amount of partying…lots of drinking and some recreational drug use…and I still ended up with a single digit body count.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 08:58 PM
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*thats not a contradiction. Firstly no matter how easy it is for chad to get sex he still has to do stuff to get it which is harder than doing nothing which is what women have to do. * Maybe Chad was just born tall with a handsome face? According to guys on here, he can hop on the apps and have a hookup pretty easily, especially if he’s willing to go down in looks from the women he would actually date. And secondly getting sex is hard for most men, most men are not chad. The existence of inherit…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 08:53 PM
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I think one of the biggest problems manosphere thinking is the lack of nuance. Like yeah, if a woman had 100 bodies / lots of ONS in her youth, and now she wants to retire from that life and picks out a nice stable guy…but he has to court her for 6 months and bring her jonquils and sit on the porch and maybe get to hold her hand…I could see how the guy would (rightfully) doubt her attraction to him. But most women have limited experience with hookups / FWBs. It only takes a few times to realize …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 06:01 PM
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Also: 1.) The reason high body count is admired in men and denigrated in women is because it’s easy for women to get sex, but a man has to work hard for it. 2.) Chad can hop on tinder and get average Becky to come over for a hookup on a Tuesday just by texting “WYD” at 10:00PM. Now Becky thinks she “deserves” a Chad, but he only hit her up because it was easy / low effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 05:23 PM
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Except men do go through the same process of maturing and having life goals and priorities shift, so why are they shocked that women do too? I don’t know a single man who was itching to be a husband and father in his early to mid 20s. At that age they are looking for FWBs / hookups…mayyybe a steady girlfriend if she isn’t too clingy and doesn’t expect too much. The majority of young guys certainly aren’t thinking about marriage and babies at that age. Why are men so insulted if women aren’t eith…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 02:42 PM
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I think the difference is, people recognize that there are dirty / dangerous jobs that society needs to have done and someone has to do it. Most people don’t want to do it and don’t want their loved ones to do it because of the risks…but they have gratitude and respect for the ones who do. Hence the whole “thank you for your service” to veterans, and calling blue collar / essential workers the backbone of society, etc. So if the minority of women in society who do porn / OF / prostitution are se…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/24 12:10 AM
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I agree and I think one of the most noticeable examples is how guys (at least guys on here) say if a woman is not fat and her face is at least average / not ugly, they will find her reasonably attractive (attractive enough for sex at the very least.) So not fat / not facially hideous guys tend to think they should be equally attractive to most women and get frustrated when they aren’t. They don’t realize that a healthy BMI man who is not hideous still might have zero sex appeal to most women, de…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 03:09 AM
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She only gets the house if she buys him out / pays him 50% of the equity, or he gets compensated with another asset worth the same. As for child support - it depends. Most states have an online calculator which factors in the father’s income and the mother’s income. And then that figure is often further adjusted depending on what percentage of physical custody each parent has. In my experience, most dads love honestly don’t want equal physical custody. Sure, they’d prefer not to have to pay chil…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/24 12:19 AM
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Some red pillers have even said that a woman dating a man who is taller than her is enough to be hypergamous. I’ve seen this too and it cracks me up - “women want men who are taller / stronger than they are, so hypergamy!” Like sir, those are just basic secondary sex characteristics. Just like men want a woman with bigger tits and wider hips than they have. Different, not “better.”
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/24 04:11 PM
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Last but not least, I'm not proud of this. I recognize the damage I was doing and did a full 180. I’m not trying to pile on you, but this is utterly fascinating to me. I have my flaws and I don’t think I’m an angel by any means, but I could literally not be intentionally cruel like you were. Like - it would make me sick to my stomach to treat someone the way you describe. Why do you think you were able to behave this way for so long? Did you feel guilt at the time? Did you stop because you start…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 06:40 PM
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I wonder this as well. As a young girl (like middle school young) I quickly figured out that the cute boy I was crushing on was inevitably interested in one of the prettiest girls, not me with my buck teeth and glasses. Attractive boys and girls were popular, and they paired off together. This starts at very young ages.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/24 02:46 PM
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100% agree on everything you said. Fertility statistics are not the sole thing women should consider when starting a family, there are pros and cons to having a family early vs. late. I’m not saying this is OPs reason, but many times this topic comes up, I sort of feel like it’s a thinly-veiled argument to try to get women to marry / have children with men 10+ years older. Most women are attracted to men within a few years of their own age, but most men in their early to mid 20s are not interest…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 06:45 PM
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I’m not disputing that statistically speaking, it is easier to get pregnant / carry to term in your 20s vs 30s. What I am disputing is the fertility loss is nowhere as steep as you claimed (especially for early and mid-30s) …and I’d also dispute the idea that the likelihood of a “successful pregnancy” is the only factor that women should take into consideration when deciding if/when to have children. If someone wants and feels ready to have children in their 20s, with the idea that they will foc…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 06:04 PM
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Ok and what am I supposed to do about that? There's 100+ replies. Being off by some percent doesn't even invalidate the core point, it's just a boring red herring to me. I mean…it’s not a red herring to point out that one of the assertions in your OP is completely wrong. It sort of does invalidate the “core point” if you resort to inaccurate scare-mongering to make your argument. If you want to deny that fertility decreases with age while complications and defects go up and it's not gonna work o…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 05:17 PM
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Ok, but in your OP, you say “by the time they reach 30, 33% of women are no longer able to conceive.” As in 1/3 of 30 year old women are completely infertile. That’s just not accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 04:45 PM
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I’ve seen this repeated a lot on here, and I don’t know where this assumption comes from. In literally every couple I know where both spouses work, both spouses put their paychecks on the communal pot (minus agreed upon individual spending money to pay the household bills.) Even if the man is the primary breadwinner making 75k, and the wife makes 50k, that 50k is still a substantial percentage of the household income. Maybe this is true in cases where the husband is a surgeon making 500k+ or som…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 10:43 PM
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All you have to do is google average age of Hollywood leading male: 43 Ehhh I feel like that has more to do with the fact that most actors capable of being cast as leading men have been in the biz / been household names for 10+ years. Hollywood producers want to cast a sure bet with the most billing power. Not proof that they are at their most handsome at that age. If you look at Chris Hemsworth, Chris Evans, Henry Cavill - all still very handsome men - and then look at pics / video of them abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 05:54 AM
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Or in the same vein, the states of man-hating and woman-hating: The worst woman-hater's paradise is a world where women are present and slaves and being abused and raped. The worst man-hater's paradise is one where there aren't men. They aren't suffering. They aren't in pain. They just aren't there. It paints an interesting picture about the mentality what it actually means to hate men or to hate women. I think you are spot-on with this, and it reminds me of something else I’ve observed here. I’…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 07:34 PM
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100% agree. I earn more than my husband and it would never in a million years occur to me that he has to do more housework than me to earn his keep. In fact, although housekeeping chores are split pretty evenly, I do more childcare and cooking…because my job is mostly remote and I’m able to. We’re a team and I want to spend our leisure time together.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 11:46 PM
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When women genuinely have 100% control over their fertility, then and only then will I agree that men can have 0% responsibility for theirs. It could also be argued that in a hypothetical world where financial abortions exist and men have 0% default responsibility toward any resulting offspring, they should also have 0% rights to any offspring by default. Meaning, the woman has 100% unilateral custody by default. She can offer the man shared custody or visitation - and he can of course decline -…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/24 05:23 PM
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The crucial difference is that your hypothetical situations, the woman is taking a deliberate, conscious action to make a baby (putting saliva in the baby making machine, fishing a used condom out of the trash and inseminating herself.) But fertilization itself occurs on a cellular level - a woman can’t “consent” to becoming pregnant, just like you can’t consent to appendicitis or a heart attack. If the right circumstances occur inside your body, it can happen. If an unintended pregnancy occurs …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 11:03 PM
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We both work full time. We have a joint account in which my husband’s paycheck gets direct deposited - when he gets paid, I leave him an agreed upon amount of spending money and I transfer everything else into my “main” account (where my paycheck is deposited.) From there, I pay the mortgage, utility bills, groceries, childcare expenses, automatic deductions like streaming services etc. - pretty much all our household expenses. I put some into savings monthly and some into our children’s college…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 10:31 PM
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I work in the mortgage industry and I’ve never heard of a down payment assistance program specifically for women. They exist but they are income based / nothing to do with gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 08:41 PM
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My great aunt (85) was talking recently about her 3 births and how hard they were and how they caused her vaginal pain and urinary issues for many years. She said in those days, no one really talked about the effects of it all - you were just expected to smile and be positive about it and not complain. My grandmother had much the same story and my aunts and mother chimed in too with their own stories of how uninformed they were about the realities and risks and the complications they had. Still,…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 11:01 PM
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I think men don’t really understand how attraction works for women, and that’s part of the “looksmatch” issue. Guys on here say that if a woman is reasonably young, not fat, and not truly hideous in the face or anything, they’ll probably find her at least somewhat attractive. So guys then extrapolate that if they themselves are not fat and not truly ugly, they are (or should be) equally attractive to the average woman. But that’s just not how attraction works for women, generally speaking. This …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/24 11:13 PM
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Perhaps, but I’m guessing that the desire to be a mother is more cultural / environmental than truly instinctual. I think humans instinctually find babies “cute” and have an innate desire to protect them - not just human babies, but other mammals as well. There is something about that ratio of large head to body & large eyes proportional to face that makes us go “awww.”
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 07:59 PM
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Women developed some desire for sex, of which children were an inevitable consequence. And women also developed some instincts for drawing them to babies that had been conceived. But how much instinctive direct desire for having kids evolved? I’m not sure any animal except humans have evolved a conscious desire for offspring. In the animal kingdom, typically the male wants to mate any chance he gets, and the female wants to mate when she’s in heat. Neither the male or female are thinking, “I can…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 01:55 PM
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In my observation, the majority of young women aren’t deliberately wasting their 20s with hardcore partying / hookup culture. They are done with that life by 22/23, if they partook of it at all. Usually they have 1-2 LTRs that last 1-3 years each or so, before finding the person they eventually marry and have their first baby around 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/24 05:10 PM
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It doesn’t sound like OP is advocating any sort of laws / policies that would prevent certain men from reproducing. It sounds to me like OP is saying that some men just don’t make the cut, and that it isn’t a problem that needs to be solved. Edited to add - I don’t personally agree with OP’s list of what makes a male “fit” to reproduce.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 10:05 PM
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I understand that, but for most history women were not free to choose their partners based on their attraction. What I’m saying is, why do you believe a woman who is a “5” should automatically be attracted to a man who is also a “5.” Why shouldn’t females be inherently more selective due to their larger reproductive burden?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 11:36 PM
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It is, not because the average woman cannot be attracted to the average man, but because she thinks she deserves better just for existing. In most species, isn’t the female more selective / pickier on who she’ll mate with than the males? Why would it be different for humans?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 11:22 PM
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No one is saying that physical attraction isn’t part of the spark. It’s physical attraction + rapport. It’s not that we get the spark with guys we find unattractive - it’s that there are objectively handsome guys that we don’t get the spark with.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 03:45 PM
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Don’t forget Anabaptists too!
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 02:14 PM
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Ehhh….historically, men were never held to the same standard of monogamy / chastity as women were. A wife’s reputation and status in society was ruined if she was caught cheating. Whereas if the husband cheated, the wife was advised to forgive and/or turn a blind eye for the good of the family.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/23 11:16 PM
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But what probably happened is the husband stopped the “old methods” of turning his wife on. Men complain about the sex drying up, but often times they also stop “courting” their wives. And that emotional connection (flirty texts throughout the day, thoughtful gestures, quality time, etc) is what many women need to feel sexy. So what came first, the chicken or the egg?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/23 02:38 AM
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Nothing about his behavior sounded “loving.” Someone wanting to fuck you doesn’t mean they love you or are acting in a loving way toward you. Men remind us here every day that sex does not equal love or even affection to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/23 09:55 PM
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Because they have options, but not enough options to have leverage. I’m not sure what you mean by this. Both sides do this. True, and it’s just as unethical when women do it. ”Loving" is not a synonym for using. Do you think the only women who get cheated on are the ones who are using their partners / don’t truly love them? You don’t think kind, loving women who are overall good wives and mothers get cheated on as well? And like what? Rarely ever getting to see their children and losing a bunch …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 08:28 PM
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Instead of focusing all their energy on finding a man to marry at as young an age as possible and spend her whole life as a wife and mother? Why in the world would women want that? Men don't want it either, men have been "sowing their wild oats" while young then marrying a bit later for a very long time. Exactly this. I don’t know a single man who was anxious to be a husband and father at 18, 20, 22….most of them not at 25 either. Why is it so insulting to men that young women don’t want to grad…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 05:18 PM
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And if all you had to do was ask for permission, then men would do it. Men have needs just like women, and you can't just turn that off. I can see it as a problem if he's a loser, but in that case, he probably can't cheat. So if the only men who are able to cheat are men who have options to begin with - why are these men choosing to enter into a committed relationship? No one is forcing them to. They could just be a playboy bachelor for life and have a series of ONS / FWB. At least then they wou…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/23 02:34 PM
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When you ask women to rate men only based on physical appearance, most guys are just "meh" to most women. So when you have a survey that demands a binary answer to a binary question such as, "Do you find this man [immediately] attractive?", average looking men are going to get a lot of no's. And "no" does not necessarily mean ugly. Agree with all of this…but also, as a woman I can tell when a guy is conventionally handsome and understand why other women would want him - and still feel nothing. N…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/23 08:41 PM
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Same here - grew up in large extended Catholic family in the Midwest. They were republicans / conservatives, but none of the women were submissive, it was very much a matriarchy. As a result I can’t even relate to the idea of being a submissive woman. This may not be true in other countries, but in America, it seems like most Catholic families have strong women who run the show. I think it’s the evangelicals / fundamentalists who tend to value female submission.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 09:38 PM
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The kind of people who seek unconditional love tend to be Cluster-B types: they know that their actions are sometimes utterly intolerable and so seek out some fool they can manipulate into accepting their abuse. Agree with this 100%. It also reminds me of the manosphere guys who idolize their grandmother who was married for 50+ years to their asshole, alcoholic, gambling, philandering grandfather. They want that same “ride or die” woman. I’ve noticed that a lot of men on this sub are deeply unco…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 01:45 PM
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It’s not the same thing. When I was laid off last summer, I immediately began working on my resume and job hunting. I found another job in the same field within 2 months. In the meantime, we had my severance package and unemployment to fall back on. That is a totally different scenario than, let’s say, I was fired due to cause (maybe I kept staying up until 4am playing video games, or getting too drunk and calling off work all the time.) If I was fired for poor job performance, I wouldn’t be eli…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/23 01:14 PM
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For one what? What question are you answering? Sorry, my response was mostly in regard to this: Sexually, it is. She could still be enjoying his love and everything and her life wouldn't change at all if he got some sexual variety every now and then. I’m challenging your notion that if the husband steps out, the wife’s life wouldn’t change at all. She could contract an incurable STD. (Or even a curable one, which is still an embarrassing nuisance.). And yes, STDs are extremely common. Could the …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 03:29 PM
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He is risking her health for one. Even if he uses a condom every time and uses it perfectly (and let’s be real, most people don’t) he could still catch herpes or HPV and pass it to his wife. If the wife agrees to a one-way open relationship, than she is consenting to this risk. But if he has promised her sexual exclusivity and then cheats behind her back, she cannot give informed consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 03:08 PM
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It’s weird that you think being faithful to a wife who has demonstrated her love and loyalty before you made it in life (and who you vowed to be faithful to) is akin to “punishment.” But, if a man truly feels he missing out, he should leave her, rather than resent a good and loyal woman. Let her find happiness elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/23 05:09 AM
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This should be the new goal for modern men, obtaining relationships that are open (but only for the man.) Honestly, I would respect this a hell of a lot more than cheating behind her back. Just be upfront about it and find a woman who feels you bring enough value to her life otherwise, if this is something you really want. You might not have a huge pool of women willing to agree to this type of arrangement, but there are some who will.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 08:34 PM
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Perfectly put. Also, if being meek, submissive, and agreeable was a “natural” state of femininity, then why have patriarchal societies always needed to create laws that restrict women’s actions? If it’s so natural for women to act this way anyway?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/23 04:45 PM
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Is being confident opposed to being soft-spoken? Why do you think women should be soft-spoken?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 09:35 PM
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What does modesty mean to you? Why do you think women should be soft-spoken as opposed to being confident and assertive?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/23 08:24 PM
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Righto. I suppose women will pick up the slack and do all the tradeswork that needs done. Electricians, plumbers, sanitation workers, trucking/transportation, laborer work - you're all going to start doing that right? Skilled blue collar guys / tradesmen generally do fine with women though - I doubt they are the ones threatening to leave society.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/23 01:56 PM
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Things like long paid maternity leave. Top notch medical care, including during the critical 3-12 months AFTER giving birth (the so-called 4th trimester). Massive early childcare support. I have 2, but would have loved to have 3 or 4 if it wasn’t cost prohibitive. My husband and I both need to work and daycare for 3+ children in the PNW just wasn’t feasible on our salaries. Free or low cost high quality early childcare would have made all the difference for us having more children. To be clear, …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/23 06:35 PM
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What Id have a problem with his him ghosting because he was supposed to be my friend. Now telling me he needs to cut me off to get over the feelings and revisit being on a friendly level in time which I completely understand as Ive been in those shoes. I agree with this. Assuming the woman has been an actual good and caring friend…she doesn’t deserve being ghosted. That doesn’t mean the guy is wrong to pull back for his own emotional health, but there is a considerate way to do this.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 02:11 AM
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Guys on here will say they hate the idea of being beta bucks, but then in the same breath they talk about going to impoverished countries to find wives, and/or being able to attract quality women once they are a bit older and have more money / status. So clearly they aren’t opposed to being beta bucks per se, as long as it meets one of the following conditions; 1): The woman is young, attractive, and has had few or ideally no sexual partners prior to him. She also has to be sexually loyal to him…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 01:08 PM
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Awww. She sounds like she was a very sweet, gentle, and wonderful dog. On an individual level they can be wonderful dogs. It just seems like when things do go wrong with pitbulls, they go catastrophically wrong. I think the most humane thing to do would be to let the breed die out. Spay / neuter all the existing pit bulls and let the ones who have no history of aggression live out their remaining lives peacefully. We just don’t need a dog breed that was invented for bull baiting or dog fighting …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 12:18 AM
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Pitbulls are sweet until they are…not. I don’t hate them, but I think it’s sort of nuts that we have rebranded them as some sort of ideal family pet. Creating a breed with the strength of a bulldog (the original bulldogs, not the asthmatic things we have now) + the prey drive of a terrier was a terrible idea. Akitas are also powerful dogs that most definitely need a capable, experienced handler. The thing is, breed enthusiasts for Akitas, Rottweilers, GSDs, Dobermans etc. aren’t trying to convin…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 11:52 PM
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Ehhh….while I agree that boys seem to struggle in school more than girls, and therefore should be given more support / early intervention to help them succeed….I disagree that it’s because school caters to the feminine style of learning. If anything, schools were more rigid in the past, when boys and girls were taught separately. Little boys were very much expected to sit still / sit straight or they would get their ears boxed.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 05:22 PM
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The issue boils down to the fact that there are competing rights / interests, so to speak. 1) The right for a woman to have complete autonomy over her own body. 2) The right for a born child to receive financial support from his/her parents. 3) The right for a man to not have to financially support any offspring he didn’t agree to support. Right now in western society we recognize #1 and #2 but not #3. (Or I guess you could say society mostly agrees that #1 and #2 should always trump #3 when it …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 04:50 PM
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What does accountability mean to you? If, hypothetically, paper abortions were a thing, what form of accountability would the man ever face when it comes to unplanned pregnancies? He would be neither physically accountable (as women always are / can’t escape) nor would he be financially responsible. (For the record, I’ve come around to the idea of men being able to opt out of parental obligation prior to an unplanned pregnancy, so long as society would be okay with picking up the tab in the form…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 03:16 PM
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or you accept that consent to sex does NOT imply consent to parental duties, but then that goes for both sides (i.e. you agree to paper abortion) Otherwise (as is) your rant is just hypocritical "accountability for thee but not for me" hogwash which just makes the point of those who criticize your lack of accountability. If a woman becomes pregnant, she always faces a real, physical consequence. Always. She either has an abortion, gives birth, or has a miscarriage. 100% of the time there is a co…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/23 02:58 PM
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One of the other times this topic came up, I came around to accepting an idea another poster proposed. Men should be able to opt out PRIOR to pregnancy. A man could sign an opt out form, specific to each to partner, that is good indefinitely (unless he decides to revoke it, it is presumed that the opt out is still in effect.) This way, the man’s cards are on the table before the pregnancy is even an issue. There can be no misunderstandings. However, in order for me to personally be on board with…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 11:37 PM
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I’m not arguing that men who were assaulted or stealthed should go fuck themselves. I’m acknowledging that this sort of thing would be difficult to prove - same way that rape is difficult to prove because it’s often a he said, she said situation. This is a problem that already exists for sexual assault victims, both male and female. Do you think that the assumption of every unplanned pregnancy should be that the woman stole the man’s sperm without his consent? What exactly are you proposing / ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 11:00 PM
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Woman shouldn't be forced to have babies they don't want, men shouldn't be forced to have babies they don't want. Equality. There can never be 100% equality when it comes to reproduction because the male and female roles in reproduction are not equal. The issue of bodily autonomy in regards to pregnancy only affects women. It’s not simply “women shouldn’t be forced to have babies they don’t want” (agreed)….it’s also “women shouldn’t be forced to have abortions they don’t want.” Being forced to h…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 05:21 PM
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What I find interesting from red pillers is that they will bend over backwards to explain why it's totally normal for men in their 30s, 40s, 50s, and older to want to date 18 year old women, even invoking evolution, but it always stops exactly at 18. All these men writing long winded diatribes about how they'll still want to date young women down to 18 year olds when they're 50 claim their attraction stops 100% of the time at the age of majority and goes no lower. What a staggering coincidence, …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 05:25 PM
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I’m sure a lot of them did love their husbands, but many married out of necessity as well. My point is, isn’t desiring a return to an era where women’s financial opportunities were severely limited if they didn’t have a husband as a provider, in fact advocating for men becoming the dreaded beta bucks?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 05:11 PM
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Ok, then we agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 04:56 PM
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We've already decided that 18 years old is the age of adulthood. We therefore need to let adult people make adult decisions for themselves and not legislate rules against them because they are "not adult enough". Most reasonable people aren’t advocating for making age gap relationships (18+) illegal. We’re just saying that they deserve more scrutiny / skepticism. And it’s not like I would randomly assert myself in the age gap relationships of strangers. I would be concerned if it was my son/daug…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 04:51 PM
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Points 5 & 6: It's funny, most of the time I talk to MRA's I end up assuring them that I don't think most men are rapists, and then like 5% of the time it's the MRA gloating about how awesome it will be when men are finally allowed to stick their dicks in women who don't want them. Guys on here go on and on about how pathetic it is to be “beta buxx” and how they want a woman who genuinely desires them (fair enough)….and then in the next breath fantasize about a return to the good ol’ days when w…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/23 01:04 PM
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Also, poor people are more likely to live in “food desert” areas without access to a full grocery store. They’re buying their food at the 7-11. It’s all interrelated.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 10:03 PM
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*If a man were to discover that his girlfriend made him wait 8 dates for sex but once slept with a guy in cancun 20 minutes after meeting him, it would be a humiliating discovery. Why? The medium is the message. This will be interpreted as she genuinely desires Cancun Guy more. If a woman knew that her boyfriend would just jump into a relationship with anyone, she’d be repulsed.* This seems reasonable on paper, but I think men who think this way tend to completely disregard the fact that people …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 10:24 PM
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On the one hand I’m sad it’s ending - on the other hand, they are smart to end it after four seasons before the writing starts deteriorating in quality. Too many shows drag on far past their prime. Here’s hoping they stick the landing tomorrow night!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 07:55 PM
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Men here seem to think all it takes to date a thin woman is to also be thin, it’s wild to me how they expect female attraction to work the exact same as men. I think this misunderstanding about female sexuality is a huge reason for men’s frustration. Guys on here frequently say that if a woman has a healthy BMI and is not like facially deformed / truly ugly, they will generally find her attractive, and be open to dating her. So men who are healthy weight and not “ugly” don’t understand why they …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 02:03 AM
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An all female society would be less advanced technologically, but more peaceful and cooperative. The existing infrastructure would collapse and women would rebuild into something simpler and more focused on their immediate community / tribe. (Not saying we would be living in huts or anything.) If all women disappeared overnight, the men would do a better job keeping the lights on so to speak, but society would very quickly devolve into a lord of the flies type existence. The more peaceful and co…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 09:42 PM
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I am wondering about this as well. How would it not be psychologically damaging to commit rape against another human being? In order to do that, you have to deny the victim’s humanity. How can that be “healthy” for the rapist?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 05:05 PM
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Agree with both of these comments. Which is why it’s strange to me that some of the more angry male posters on here will say stuff about how if men can’t get relationships / families, they will stop being truck drivers, electricians, plumbers etc. and the world will suffer. When in reality these types of blue collar, essential worker type guys typically do just fine with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 06:36 PM
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I can get along with anyone in the workplace, but in my experience men (usually) make better bosses. It’s not an issue of intelligence or competence, it’s just that women seem to be less likely to have the personality traits that make for good leadership. (In my experience at least.) Women who will only date 6 foot or taller guys are being ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 09:58 PM
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And within the minority of people who would consider purposefully having a child without a partner - the overwhelming majority of these are women. I legitimately know zero men who would want to raise a baby alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 11:41 PM
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One thing I’ve noticed on this sub: men (generally) refuse to change their behaviors in any way in order to bring about the changes in gender dynamics they are looking for. Men on here say it’s unfair that they have to be the one to initiate dates, to pay for first dates, and that they always feel pressure to appear masculine, confident, capable etc. That they feel they can’t ever be vulnerable with a woman, because she might get the “ick” and she has a string of orbiters waiting to take his pla…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 05:20 PM
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Ok, fair enough, comment revised - most young girls in western countries aren’t formally taught these things, outside of fundamentalist Christian households and the like.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 01:57 PM
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(Glares at elderly woman) What are you looking at? You’d obviously wouldn’t be in danger! So they are in danger?? No one’s in danger! How are you not getting this?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 01:42 PM
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Schools and colleges don't teach boys and men to "be their own woman" (i.e. do their own household management, know how to buy and take care of clothes, cook food, schedule house cleaning activities, learn how to raise and take care of a child by yourself). I mean….women aren’t formally taught these things as children / adolescents either. They just figure it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 01:29 PM
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I get that and I understand his anger - it’s completely justifiable. But are you a parent? If you aren’t a parent, you probably can’t understand how deep and powerful the love (a normal person) has for a child they raised from infancy. I just cannot fathom walking away from a child after nine years - you were there when they took their first steps, said their first words. You’ve bathed them, kissed boo-boos, rocked them to sleep. You taught them how to ride a bike. They made you handwritten card…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 10:17 PM
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Agreed. I mean the mom sucks and deserves all his vitriol, but I literally cannot fathom finding out my NINE year old child wasn’t biologically mine and being able to switch off my love for them like that. What the actual fuck. I have a 10 year old and a 7 year old. If I found out today that there was some hospital mixup and one of them wasn’t my biological child, it wouldn’t change the love I feel for that child one bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 09:54 PM
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These charts always crack me up. Why is Emma Watson higher than Adriana Lima? Don’t get me wrong, Emma Watson is lovely but cmon now…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 11:28 PM
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“It was just oral sex in a bathroom stall, that’s not cheating!!” Lol, no one said this.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 02:45 AM
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This, exactly. I can empathize with a guy being put off if a girl he was dating wanted to wait for sex, and he later finds out she had immediate sex with guys before him and then after they dated as well. Because yeah, it sounds like she just didn’t feel chemistry with him. But many, many women try casual sex a couple of times in their late teens / early 20s and realize it’s not enjoyable for them and not worth the risk. The idea that women can’t grow, change, mature without it being “unfair” to…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 02:25 AM
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I’ve noticed this too! Before I was married I used to go out for drinks a lot with my friend / roommate. She was objectively better looking than me and got a lot of male attention. (And no, I wasn’t the cock blocking ugly friend - as long as she was enjoying the attention I just sat quietly / out of the way.) The thing is, I knew they weren’t there for me. I didn’t try to flirt or anything. But I noticed it was the really hot guys who were nicer - they would include me in the conversation, buy a…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 05:38 PM
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All these “privileges” that women have are solely because men give them attention / resources with the hope it will lead to sex. You guys could simply….stop doing that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 04:53 PM
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The reason men find this unfair is that it is very unlikely they will ever be able to recoup the loss of wealth through their future income. The lower-earning partner has "won" the divorce by being better off in terms of wealth than she otherwise would have been, while being no worse off in income than she would have been if she had not married in the first place. I can understand this mindset for married couples without children. But if children involved, it’s common for one spouse’s career to …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:37 PM
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*No; we're talking about violent convicts. I.e. not just violent criminals; violent criminals that got caught. The men who are predisposed to poor planning, acting on impulse, and caring very little about consequences. You're asking why their sense of morality did not guide them towards life of chastity or a surgical procedure that can make them permanently sterile. Instead of asking why women that got knocked up by them simply did not choose someone less violent for ten minutes of sticky fricti…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:23 PM
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She has a good point though. A lot of men’s arguments on this sub seem to have to a common unspoken presumption that men are incapable of not thinking with their dicks, and therefore it is women who need to encourage better male behaviors with their sexual selection, for the good of society as a whole. For example, mothers are denigrated on this sub, but no one really dwells on dead beat dads. At most there is a dismissive “well yeah they are a POS too but what did the she expect? That the tatte…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 01:15 PM
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I saw a TikTok video a while back where a middle-aged woman was talking about how when she was young, she never imagined she would be 45 and single. And how she’s lonely and wishes she had a partner to share life with, especially as her own parents are aging etc. She was obviously very sad / troubled. There were DOZENS of comments from men who were laughing at her / mocking her. “The wall is undefeated!” Or “should have found a good man when you were still young and desirable but you were too bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 05:20 PM
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Interesting. I was went to Catholic schools from kindergarten through college. Never heard of such a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 05:18 AM
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What’s Catholicism got to do with it? Catholics don’t have any sort of circumcision ritual.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 04:52 AM
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But yeah, most couples are well-matched in terms of looks. Where men here get mixed up is thinking “well if she’s average and I’m average she should date me, wtf is her problem,” because women past a certain looks threshold are mostly interchangeable to them. This isn’t the case for women. You hit the nail on the head and I think this is one of the biggest sources of frustration / misunderstanding for guys on this sub. It seems like most men will find a woman sufficiently attractive if she is no…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 03:41 PM
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This 100%. Guys on here are talking about having more money / status in their 30s and beyond, and therefore being more successful with women than they were in their 20s. Well….sure. But it doesn’t mean you are more successful with women because you are physically hotter. It means you are more of a complete “package.” So I guess it depends on what guys really mean by “sexual peak.” If they mean the age at which they can get the most women / hottest women - then sky’s the limit, really. You could …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 05:40 PM
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You aren’t on the radar (generally) for older women, but why do you think young women wouldn’t want a good looking young man? Young people generally pair up with other young people. Sure, there are gold diggers that are holding out for an older / richer man, and girls who just prefer older guys in general, but that’s not the majority. Most women were once in love with a broke-ass line cook who broke our heart. 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 11:21 PM
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I think you are mixing up raw physical attractiveness with relationship potential / compatibility a bit. If I was to compare a 25 year old man to a 45 year old man with similar physical attributes (height / weight / facial features etc)…the 25 year old man would be more physically attractive. Even if the 45 year old is still very handsome for his age and has taken good care of his skin / body, there are still signs of aging that are unavoidable. But I’m 41 years old and if I was single, I wouldn…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 07:29 PM
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Agreed, but unfortunately those quaint small towns with charm / character usually become gentrified pretty quickly.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 04:29 PM
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The attractive woman, while not arousing doesn't incite fear or disgust and they can just continue on with their daily lives. There is also the fact that social shame over sexual immorality affects women less while it affects men more, every woman that isn't a conservative with low neuroticism will choose to make out with pretty women. At least that's my assumption. Agreed. I think most women choosing #2 has less to do with most women being a little bit bi — and more to do with most men being ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 06:23 PM
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2 I identify as straight. But I wouldn’t use the same definition as you - I don’t think a straight person has to have zero attraction to the opposite sex. I think a bisexual person has (roughly) the same attraction to both sexes.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 06:13 PM
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*But the truth is, if the nanny skip a work day because she feels sick, or if the nurse doesn't attend to his job and change grandma's diapers, nobody is going to bath an eye, because society doesn't depende on those jobs to keep fuctioning. If miners, dudes who work on oil rigs, electrician, construction workers or any group of men involved in the food chain production, from farming to transport or whatever, go on a strike society stops fuctioning, not tomorrow, or the next week, or the next mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 01:07 PM
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It’s interesting because a lot of guys on this sub say that men’s preference for very young women is purely biological - younger women are more fertile. But why would that preference carry over to male / male relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 05:29 PM
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This is exactly how it works in my marriage too. I make a bit more money, but I work from home 3 days a week. So I’m able to prep dinner / do a couple loads of laundry / run the dishwasher etc. during the day. It would never even occur to me that my husband would have to do “extra” chores to make up for any income discrepancy. That sort of thinking is not conducive to a healthy partnership.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 11:19 PM
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Why is any of that a bad thing, if they're reciprocal? That's what compromise and cooperation is. Do you expect the man to be submissive and to just let her do whatever she wants, whenever she wants? It’s not bad if it’s reciprocal. It’s just that for a lot of guys on here (not you specifically) “agreeable” and “cooperative” are a dog whistle for subservient. Some guys are even more direct and use “submissive” and “coachable.”
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 02:46 PM
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This is an excellent list! 👏
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 02:26 PM
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So why don’t you be clear about exactly what you are proposing? What additional steps? Don’t be shy now…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 12:30 AM
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Yes, but that was because women had extremely limited opportunities to be financially independent / support themselves without a husband. Abortion bans aren’t going to reverse this.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 12:26 AM
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What do you mean by enforced monogamy? Like if a guy impregnated a woman, he’s forced to marry her? Again, it would still be the guys that women are selecting to have sex with in the first place, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 12:20 AM
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How would abortion bans help sexless men to get laid? I see two plausible outcomes: 1) More unwanted children being born. 2) More women remaining celibate by choice. Either way, it’s not like the guys struggling to get sex are the ones impregnating women, so…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 12:11 AM
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You sound like a genuinely kind and thoughtful person and I hope you find your person soon. ❤️
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 12:40 PM
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Alternatively, you might expect men to prefer women with high body counts — men take very little natural risk with sex (no 9 month pregnancy period, much less limited supply of sperm), so all he needs to do is impregnate her even if she sleeps with other guys... and then you have promiscuous offspring, spreading your genes! Q.E.D. men love high body count women. Piggybacking on this…from an evo psych perspective it is women who should be more picky about youth and peak fertility in a man, not th…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 11:51 AM
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Passive childcare is still childcare, personally I think the most draining part, you don’t get credit but you still can’t relax and do what you want. I don’t think that’s counted here at all. And this is almost solely on women. Agreed. Until you’ve experienced being the “default parent” for years on end, you can’t imagine how draining it can be. My kids are 7 and 10 now so it’s not so bad, but I remember having a baby and a toddler and literally feeling like my body didn’t belong to me. You’re c…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 07:40 PM
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Yup. They are all over the PNW. A lot of bLaMe tHe oWnEr, nOt tHe dOg posts on the neighborhood FB page when a pit bull inevitably mauls someone’s yorkie.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 09:36 PM
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I think it got deleted. I found what it think might be my comments on the thread, but the original post itself appears to be deleted.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 05:18 PM
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Men typically being taller than women is a secondary sex characteristic that most women find attractive. It’s not any more hypocritical than men finding full breasts and wide hips attractive, even though they have flat chests and narrow hips. A better example of hypocrisy would be women who make 50k a year calling men who make less than 100k losers and refusing to date them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 03:11 PM
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There was a thread a few months back that posted results of a survey where men were asked to rate favorable personality traits for their wives and daughters. As you can probably guess - men preferred their wives to be sweet, agreeable, cooperative, and submissive. And they preferred their daughters to be intelligent, independent, and assertive.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 02:57 PM
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Show us your dating app profile and let us give be feedback / constructive criticism. 😊
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 01:31 AM
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I married a man who had 3 kids from his first marriage. It was obviously not a deal breaker for me - but it wasn’t ideal. I did make a point to find out early on if he was open to having more children, because if he wasn’t (understandable) that would have been a dealbreaker.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 06:04 PM
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Do you think there's some magical spell that occurs that creates a completely brand new person between the age of 17 years, 365 days, 23 hours and 59 minutes vs 18 years old? Either they think something magical happens when the clock strikes midnight on the 18th birthday to change a girl into a woman…or they know that nothing magical happens, and they would pursue sex / relationships with girls younger than 18 if there wasn’t a legal consequence. I think I know which is more likely.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 07:41 PM
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Exactly this. I feel like (some) guys here are being deliberately obtuse. It’s not like a girl goes to bed with the mentality of a child on the eve of her 18th birthday and magically wakes up as a mature woman. Most people recognize that the late teens / early 20s are a period of transition into adulthood. Yes, you are legally as adult at 18 but most 18 year olds still rely heavily on their parents. I don’t see 18 year olds as little children but I recognize they are less mentally / emotionally …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 06:15 PM
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This is what I was going to say. I’ve only ever seen #bossbabe in reference to a mom shilling some MLM crap. Women who work in upper level finance / business etc. do not refer to themselves as boss babes. Like….ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 02:12 PM
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I work from home 3 days a week. On my WFH days I typically don’t take a lunch and instead take a break in the late afternoon to prep / start dinner. So that way dinner is ready (or almost ready) when he gets home. And the point of my anecdote wasn’t that I was angry he was relaxing. He works a manual labor job, I don’t, I understand he’s tired. What upset me was that he didn’t seem to notice or appreciate all the things I purposely do to make it easier for him to relax after work (take care of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 03:41 AM
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So what your saying is you take issue with all or more men (just because if the comment you replied too) because your husband has a weird quark and gets annoyed when he wants a bath and the tub isn't free? Well that escalated quickly. No, the argument with my husband was just a relevant anecdote. From talking with my married female coworkers and friends - it seems to be common that the wife does the bulk of the childcare / daily household management tasks even when both spouses work. I’m sure it…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 03:36 AM
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I make about 10k more.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 02:57 AM
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Did you miss the part where I work full time too? Anyway, I don’t begrudge him relaxing time after work. I don’t nag him about it or anything. I just didn’t appreciate him complaining about the bath tub not being free exactly when he wanted it - when I’m the one doing the dinner / bath routine with the kids while he relaxes.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 12:08 AM
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I truly think most men have blinders on regarding just how much work wives / mothers do on a daily basis. My husband and I got into an argument last night. He said he feels like his needs are always put last. His example was that when wants to relax in a hot bath after work, he always has to wait for the kids to have their baths first. This is what an average weeknight looks like in our house: husband gets home at 5pm. He usually cracks open a beer or three and plays video games / watches TV. Me…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 09:11 PM
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That’s my understanding as well. Regardless, I think we should just leave babies’ and children’s genitalia alone. Radical idea I know!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 12:14 PM
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I think it depends on the context in which it’s brought up. If it’s brought up in a sort of whataboutism way with the intent to diminish the horrors of FGM, not okay. But if the intent is to share that routine male infant circumcision is also horrific but we (Americans) have a cultural blindness about it…fair point. I think routine infant circumcision is barbaric and should be illegal. 🤷🏻‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 03:31 AM
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Some of them do, sure. But why get married at all? If the narrative is that most guys who get married do so not because they want to, but because they don’t have the option of reasily available casual sex…then why do the guys who do have abundance even bother with marriage? Yet we see most of them choose to get married regardless. There are very few Leos. Why did Chris Hemsworth get married? George Clooney? Etc. My point is that a lot of men must find value in marriage apart from just the sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 01:45 PM
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What about guys who don’t care? Guys who aren’t interested in monogamy / marriage / raising children should absolutely not get married and I would not encourage them to. Not every man is husband / father material and that’s perfectly okay. What about guys who have abundance? Guys who have abundant options should only get married if, after introspection and soul-searching, they decide that marriage and family will give them more happiness / purpose than the life of an eternal bachelor. There are …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 02:34 AM
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Lol, I love reading these types of threads on Reddit. Usually the guy wants an open relationship because there’s a particular girl he’s interested in. And then that quickly fizzles out (or never even goes anywhere.) Meanwhile the wife has more suitors than she knows what to do with.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 12:35 PM
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If you don’t lie or deliberately mislead someone about your intentions, I don’t think you are being unethical. I don’t think you are a bad person. But if you take it a step further and avoid casual sex / FWB situations if you know someone has feelings that you don’t reciprocate - I would consider you a good person.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 06:23 PM
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I’d agree with this. If one party says “I’m not interested in a serious / committed relationship but I’d be down for casual / hooking up” and the other party agrees but secretly thinks “Once he/she gets to know me, I can make them fall for me”….the party who wants a relationship has not been misled or manipulated. They will probably end up getting hurt but it’s not the other party’s fault. I’ll go further and say it would be kind and considerate not to enter into a causal sexual relationship wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 04:28 PM
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I will agree that men tend to “need” women on a personal / individual level more than in reverse. But on a societal / infrastructural level men are indispensable. It would be extremely difficult if not impossible to enjoy the comforts of modern life without men. On the other hand…posters saying that men could easily keep things running if women disappeared overnight are underestimating women’s contributions to society. Yeah maybe the lights would still be on and the toilets would still flush, bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 01:33 PM
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I don’t know exactly. I guess I’m…moderately feminine? I enjoy the aesthetic of pretty dresses and makeup, although I don’t bother with them often and usually dress for comfort / makeup free. I would say I only “dress up” a few times a year. Personality-wise, I don’t think I’m dominant but I’m not really soft / submissive either. I enjoy cooking for my family, but I definitely don’t enjoy cleaning or decorating or gardening. Emotionally I’m fairly stoic. I cried briefly when I was laid off from …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 08:12 PM
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Interesting! It would be interesting to see the breakdown in the ages of the women (how many were teens vs. adult women doing the shaming.) I’m also wondering how much this may have changed since 2016.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 06:26 PM
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Women slutshame as much, maybe more than men. But it's for different reasons. I think this is a lot less true now than it used to be. From what I’ve noticed on social media, millennials and Gen z typically only shame women who knowingly engage with taken / married men. Other than that the attitude tends to be more like “get it, girl!” or at the least “not my thing, but to each her own!” I’ve noticed an interesting trend regarding those thirst trap videos on TikTok. If it’s an attractive woman do…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 12:38 PM
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Yes, exactly this! If a man is willing to provide a comfortable lifestyle, they could potentially negotiate a one-way open relationship with certain women. They don’t want these women. They want a woman who loves them fiercely / jealously and then cheat behind her back.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 06:25 PM
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I am floored at the amount of guys saying #2 and #8 are unattractive. #2 legit has an hourglass figure.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 04:32 PM
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Not a guy but #2 and #8 have lovely figures to me. 🤷🏻‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 02:44 PM
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But I guess the conversations about paternity testing have made me lose faith in your gender on average when it comes to empathising with the unique struggles of men. The paternity testing thing is a difficult subject. If my husband and asked me for a paternity test out of the blue (I’ve never cheated on him or any other man I was in a relationship with prior to him) it would be hurtful. And while I can empathize with the fact that men can never 100% know a child is theirs the way a woman can - …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 01:06 PM
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They are just gonna take it as an personal insult and will break up with you/never have sex with you in the first place. Why is this a bad thing, exactly? If the guy has to make his intentions known prior to sex / pregnancy occurring via a signed affidavit or whatever…and these intentions make the woman reconsider….why is that a negative thing? Seems like there would be less unintended pregnancies, no? Isn’t that a good thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 03:38 AM
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She's got a little bit of weight on her Huh? She doesn’t look overweight to me at all…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 03:31 AM
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Eh…I think dating a single parent in general can have it’s downside. I’ve helped support my stepkids financially, I shop/plan for their birthdays and Christmas gifts, I’ve helped my husband work through custody issues etc. It’s not for the faint of heart.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 10:24 PM
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Exactly. It’s a stupid analogy that takes objects that are vaguely phallic and vaguely vagina shaped and extrapolates that penises and vaginas are “supposed to” operate in the same manner. Because….reasons I guess?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 01:00 PM
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I’ve heard this rationale repeated ad nauseam - that since it’s more difficult for men to have sex, promiscuous men shouldn’t be judged negatively the way promiscuous women are. 1) Something may be difficult or challenging, but that doesn’t automatically make it a noble pursuit. It would be difficult to be a successful serial killer and not ever get caught. It would be difficult for a married person to carry on long-term affairs without ever getting caught. This doesn’t mean either of these thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/23 12:49 PM
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I guess. Idk, I know you guys say all women lie about body count but I’ve never lied or intentionally misled any sexual partner about this. And I don’t think I’m some sort of special unicorn or anything so there has to be a decent percentage of women who are honest about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 04:33 PM
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Well I was never paid, so I think you mean slut. 😆
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 04:31 PM
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I definitely think guys over-rely on stereotypes. I found out later on that when my husband and I were first dating, he assumed I’d had maybe 1 or 2 partners before him (for reference I was in my late 20s when we met.) Why? Because I was introverted / quiet, I have no tattoos, no piercings (other than a single piercing in each ear), dress fairly modestly, tasteful makeup, normal hair color. I was also still regularly attending Mass at the time. In truth he was #8, so not a crazy high number, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 05:15 PM
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Also, there is no way to guarantee he won’t catch an STD from cheating and pass it to the woman he “loves.” Even if he uses condoms, he could still catch / pass on HPV, herpes, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/23 01:33 AM
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This makes sense to me - of course you need to be attracted to your partner, but once someone meets your minimum threshold for attractiveness, it seems like personality / values / lifestyle etc. should then become more important than looks (when it comes to selecting for a LTR.) It’s weird though - I’ve seen guys on here claiming they’ll hook up / be FWB with someone they consider a “6”, but they would never consider her for a relationship. Obviously people can select for whatever they want, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 08:22 PM
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I’m going to be the female voice of dissent and say I agree with you 100%. I think a person (male or female) has an ethical obligation to give a polite rejection so long as the approach was polite / respectful. (If the person approaching then becomes pushy / aggressive and can’t take no for an answer, then the person being approached has every right to become rude.) Also assuming the approach itself isn’t wildly inappropriate - like at a funeral or a woman working out with ear buds in who clearl…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/23 04:47 PM
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These men are utterly invisible to modern women, they don't earn enough money or travel in the right social circles to get their attention. Skilled blue collar guys (welders, electricians, plumbers, HVAC guys etc) typically have union jobs and earn pretty good money. Moreover they are usually capable and masculine in a way that is attractive to many women. I’m always bewildered by this talking point because in my observation both growing up in the Midwest and now living in the PNW has been that …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/23 04:03 PM
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Also, from what I’ve observed, skilled blue-collar guys tend to do just fine with the ladies. I’m married to a blue collar guy and most of my husband’s co-workers are married or have girlfriends as well. Not that being an essential worker entitles someone to a mate - but by and large the blue collar guys aren’t struggling with women anyway. 🤷🏻‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 10:00 PM
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Obviously she meant women don’t need to have personal / romantic relationships with men if they don’t want to anymore. Not that men in general don’t contribute to society / infrastructure.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/23 08:15 PM
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Which one of you guys was this? 😂 https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRWVpuco/
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/23 01:56 AM
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Cool, then men get a unique choice because it's their bank accounts and future earnings that are uniquely burdened and endangered by pregnancy and for the next 18 years. This isn’t unique to men though. If the woman carries to term, both parties are responsible for financial support of the child. Child support is based on the earnings of both parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 06:22 PM
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Nope, not even close to reasonable. Why does he get an easy opt back in, if the goal is “fairness”? He “aborted” the kid. It’s over, and he has no rights. Women can’t in-abort a kid. He should also not be allowed to ever contact the child as an adult, never ask the kid for support or any medical needs (blood or organ donations). All of those things are a reward incentivizing men to knock a woman up and run. I see your point…I guess I feel that opting out prior to conception occurring is differen…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 04:25 PM
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This is brilliant and I’m 100% on board. 1) Man has to sign / notify woman of opt out agreement prior to sex / conception occurring. I’d even say it’s reasonable for the man to have an opportunity to “opt back in” after being notified of a pregnancy. (Not forever, maybe up until a few weeks after birth? Enough time that paternity can be definitely established?) 2) I’d add this too - we’d have to increase funding for social programs so that there are enough financial support for children born to …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 05:29 AM
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You have assumed that the woman's pregnancy is unplanned because you want to paint a picture where the woman has as little agency as possible to maximize her victimhood. I don’t believe a woman who becomes pregnant after consensual sex is a victim in any way. She does, however, bear more consequences than the man. But you're avoiding scenarios where the woman gets pregnant on purpose and there are a LOT of those. An estimated 30% of children born in the United States were conceived without the m…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 04:29 AM
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This analogy doesn’t really work. It would be more like, you and a woman both sign as co-borrowers on a mortgage (consent to sex.) Afterward, you find out something about the property that you didn’t know before purchasing it, and you wouldn’t have bought that house if you knew. (Unexpected pregnancy.) But then through some legal loophole, you are able to get your name of the title / note without refinancing, paying any fees, or losing your equity. You simply have to write a signed statement say…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 03:41 AM
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Again: pregnancy and childbirth is a choice for women. If you think it's too risky, painful or expensive to have a child, then don't have one. If you choose to have a child, then you're also choosing to take on that risk, pain and cost. Ok, so in your proposal is there absolutely no negative consequence for men whatsoever? The man can sign a paper saying he opts out, but it’s not like the woman can sign a paper saying she doesn’t want to be pregnant anymore. She can’t avoid a consequence. Either…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 12:53 AM
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If a woman gets pregnant under any circumstances but does not want to become a parent, then she can opt out by means of the morning-after pill, abortion pill, surgical abortion, or safe-haven abandonment. First of all - the morning after pill is considered contraception and doesn’t always work - there are lots of morning after pill babies running around. Safe haven laws aren’t gender-specific. The father can leave a newborn at a fire station, etc. as well. So again, once pregnancy has occurred, …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 02:58 PM
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You’re calling this “men’s reproductive rights” but that’s a misnomer. If a man can legally opt-out of parental responsibility prior to birth and the woman chooses to carry to term, the man has still reproduced. The man’s reproductive rights end with his part of the reproductive act, which is insemination. So what you are proposing as “reproductive rights” is really a consequence-free way for men to walk away from their choices. Whereas a woman may have more reproductive options, but she also ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/23 01:40 PM
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Yup. Eleanor of Aquitaine had her last child around age 44, back in the 1100s. Before birth control, women generally had pregnancies and children until they couldn’t get pregnant anymore. And since individual fertility varies widely, you’d see women who had either 0-2 kids or like 8+.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/23 04:07 AM
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*In my opinion it is less masculine to be constantly concerned with women. Nothing is more masculine than a man who truly does not give a fuck about what women thinks of him and is just living his life and minding his business. And not allowing the existence of pussy to control his behavior and happiness.* It’s also hilarious to me that the guys you described are always berating “simps”…when their entire existence revolves around trying to get pussy. Obsessively analyzing stats of who is / isn’t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 02:00 AM
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I have two, a boy and a girl. I would have liked to have had more, but it would really have been a struggle financially / logistically. (My husband has 3 kids from his first marriage so he has 5 altogether. And we are solidly middle class, not high earners.) At age 41 now with my kids in elementary school, my heart still aches a bit thinking I won’t have another baby to snuggle, to nurse, to rock to sleep. But I have two beautiful, smart, and healthy children, so I know I’m lucky. I do worry abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/23 11:14 PM
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I am not denying accountability. Men are accountable from their actions. I am saying that you are asserting a connection between a feeling and a set of actions without providing evidence or an argument to back that statement. I think the issue is that love is abstract and its existence is not measurable or provable. So by proxy, we look at a person’s actions to determine if their behavior is indicative of love. This is imperfect, but what other options are there? A man could cheat on his wife, p…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 08:32 PM
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I think a parent’s love for their children is the only love that is truly unconditional. Even if one of my children grew up to be a murderer or a sex offender or something, I would still love that child. I might have to distance myself from them for my own safety and mental well being, but I would never stop loving them. The love I have for my husband absolutely has conditions and limits. That doesn’t mean I would be able to stop loving him easily or instantly, but there are definitely things he…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 04:26 PM
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This exactly. I work in the mortgage industry so I see it all the time - one spouse has to refinance the other spouse off the note and title and pay the spouse being removed 50% equity. It’s pretty standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 03:13 PM
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I make more than my husband, although I got laid off this summer for the first time ever and had to take a job that paid significantly less than I was previously making. So now at my new job I still make more, but the discrepancy between our incomes is a lot less than before (like 10k or less.) We’ve been together 14 years, married for almost 8. 2 kids. No “catch” per your description. He’s objectively better looking than me so maybe that’s the catch? 🤷🏻‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 09:12 PM
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My money is mine, his money is ours is something I’ve seen in pretty much every marriage regardless of incomes. I’ve seen this repeated here ad nauseam, but I’ve never once observed this among any of the middle class couples I know where both spouses work. Even if the husband earns more - let’s say he makes 80k a year and the wife makes 60k a year - her earnings are most likely essential to the lifestyle they’ve built. Maybe if the husband is a surgeon and the wife is a part-time realtor or some…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/23 02:26 PM
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The elderly adult vs. very young adult is a great analogy. Let’s say you’re 40 and your mom is in her 70s. She lives alone and is able to handle all basic household tasks, still works part-time, and is still pretty “sharp” mentally - no signs of dementia, etc. She still is more likely to fall prey to some sort of phishing scam and have her bank accounts compromised than you would be. If she does fall for one of these scams, the answer isn’t / shouldn’t be “well I guess she’s not a capable, indep…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/23 03:27 PM
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I’ve noticed the same thing on several TikTok videos. A woman lamenting that her life didn’t turn out how she planned and feeling a bit sad and lonely about it - maybe because she didn’t get married or maybe she was married for a time but never had children, etc. Even if the video does not blame men or even comment about men negatively in any way, there will be dozens of responses from men mocking for wasting her “prime years.”
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/23 10:55 PM
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My belief isn’t based on anecdotal evidence. I lost my virginity to a girl I was dating who I then dated again about 7 years and a few dicks later. Her vagina was unchanged. The myth / belief that a woman’s vagina gets bigger / looser with each sex partner is ridiculous, but what’s really wild is the belief that it somehow changes their labia…? All these jokes about roast beef and “she looks like she’s 35 and ready to settle down.” How the fuck would a dick have magic labia enlarging abilities??…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 03:10 PM
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A well-groomed beard does WONDERS for a less than stellar jawline / chin. Seriously, a good haircut and well-groomed facial hair can make a guy go up several points in handsomeness. Not the best example because he was a movie star already, but when those stupid 50 shades movies came out I couldn’t figure out the hype about Jamie Dornan. I was like yeah he’s technically handsome I guess but he just didn’t…do anything for me. Then I saw him a couple of years ago with a beard and I was like dayyumm…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 11:16 PM
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Lol, yep. “This place is all the way out in BFE.”
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 10:46 PM
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Lol - it’s an expression. It means in the middle of nowhere. now I’m thinking maybe y’all knew this and I just can’t detect sarcasm online.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/23 08:10 PM
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“Teenage” encompasses a wide range. What age, specifically, do you think it becomes a girl’s responsibility to dress a certain way to avoid harassment and/or assault?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/23 02:39 AM
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But he just wants a wife and family! Why so hostile??? 🥺
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/23 12:56 AM
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I’m not disgusted by that. I’ve said on other threads - I only think it’s predatory when grown men go after barely legal teens. If a 40 year old wants to date a 23 year old, have at it. 🤷🏻‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 08:27 PM
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Why are you disgusted by the choices of others that have no impact on you and don’t hurt anyone?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 08:26 PM
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*As I've been saying I could have simply wrote it differently and she could have been the cheater, or nobody could have been the cheater. But in the hypothetical married 50 years nobody cheated everything was hunky dory, but it was of convenience (transactional) still doesn't satisfy me. While you definitely shouldn't seek obstacles, I think you almost need them to be a real ride or die* But it’s interesting that it comes off like Grandpa’s cheating and squandering their life savings is the equi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 08:22 PM
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Even if this were true, why would random men be disgusted? Who are they hurting but themselves? The men they want to date once they hit their 30s can decline, right? So what’s the issue? How does it affect men who don’t want to date them anyway?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 07:51 PM
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Ie, at 5’6 I’m a pretty short guy. It’s inevitably that I’ll be teased about it. But when someone says something, I just tell them “you come down here and say that.” That would be a hilarious reply and a huge green flag to a woman - that you’re confident enough not to take yourself too seriously. (Not that I would have ever teased a guy I didn’t know well about his height, but if I heard someone else crack a joke and this was his comeback, it would immediately raise my esteem.)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 05:43 PM
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Really? Maybe it’s a regional thing because I live in the PNW and there are just as many women hanging out at craft breweries as men. (The sports bars, I’ll agree with you there.)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 08:56 PM
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I think you’re overthinking it a bit. Most women aren’t immediately offended if a guy starts chatting them up in appropriate social situations (bars/pubs, clubs, parties, class, break room at work etc.) The key things to remember are to keep it light / fun in the beginning and look for clues as to whether or not she’s interested. If she’s avoiding eye contact, giving terse, one-word responses, putting headphones on etc….she’s not interested. If she’s smiling, making eye contact, asking you quest…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 04:11 PM
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100%. And I know you weren’t talking about abusers specifically, but the book Why Does He Do That? (written by a counselor who specialized in treating abusive men) goes into detail about how abusive and manipulative men are often seen by their friends / coworkers / neighbors as friendly, upstanding, decent guys. And it’s not even so much that it’s an act - these guys truly are that way in most of their relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 08:29 AM
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I’m confused, the lady’s post isn’t about dating / looking for a stepdad or anything like that…? You just made up a whole bunch of stuff that had nothing to do with her post.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/23 01:01 AM
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If he could date / have sex with obese women, and he chooses not to (nothing wrong with that choice)…he’s not involuntarily celibate.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 04:19 PM
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He likes to bind! He likes to be bound! He needs his tools!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 07:37 PM
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My point is, all this redpill shit (AWALT, monkey branching, “she’s not yours bro, it’s just your turn” etc.) poisons the mind. I guess it doesn’t really matter for guys just looking for hookups, but a lot of guys on this sub claim to want to find a long-term partner to have a family with. How are any of these beliefs conducive to a healthy relationship? How can someone be happily married if they legitimately believe their own wife would desert them for someone better at the first sign of weakne…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 04:54 PM
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I also find it ironic that guys who are deep in the manosphere claim one of the reasons they want a young, inexperienced woman is because too many failed relationships / heartbreaks ruins a woman’s ability to bond. They want a “fresh” woman who won’t make them pay for abuses that other guys did to her. Do they not see how much they have also ruined themselves for relationships with a nice, stable woman? They are so deeply enmeshed within manosphere rhetoric and beliefs that they can’t think norm…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 04:20 PM
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This is understandable, but that’s not usually what guys on here are talking about. It’s perfectly normal not to want to date someone who rejected you / wasn’t interested in you in the past, and then comes knocking years later when you’ve improved yourself. What guys on here believe is that if a guy meets an “older” woman (aka his own age) she’s not actually interested / attracted to him, she just sees him as a stable provider. Because she couldn’t lock down a man in her 20s. Or something like t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/23 01:52 AM
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I don’t think gen z / younger millennial women do much sunbathing. I’m an older millennial / xennial and tanning beds were already becoming unpopular by the time I was in my late teens. Women now, even young women, slather themselves in SPF daily.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/23 10:21 PM
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So what if she did a “flip flop on her values.” He knew the deal upfront. He gave informed consent. He had a CHOICE. Out of curiosity do you feel the same about a promiscuous man? Let’s say a guy who played the field during his 20s wants to settle down when he’s 35 or so. He meets a nice virginal girl. He’s upfront about his past but he promises to be faithful to her. They get married, have a couple kids, etc. Husband has kept his word - never cheated and generally a good husband. Is the wife ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 06:05 PM
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Except when the wife was single, she made no vows / commitments to anyone. The husband made a vow and is now backtracking on it. These are fundamentally different scenarios. Assuming the wife was open about her past prior to their marriage, the husband had options. He could have broken up with her and looked for someone else with less sexual experience. He could have seen if she was amenable to an open marriage situation, so he would have the option to seek out younger women / experiment if the …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 05:42 PM
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I’m not assuming they stay with the mother only. Even if they had 50/50 custody, the father would go from seeing his children daily to only half the time. I’m just pointing out that from a child’s perspective, it would feel like your father chose someone else over being with his children even day. As far as equal footing - this is already what happens (at least in most states of the US.) The vast majority of divorce and child custody cases are agreed upon by the spouses beforehand and the judge …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 05:34 PM
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Well sure, people change / grow apart. Maybe I misunderstood but the way you framed your OP, it sounded like it was the wife’s pre-marital past that “justifies” the husband cheating / divorcing later. Are you saying it didn’t bother him then, but it bothers him 15-20 years later?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 05:21 PM
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There's no mutual exclusivity between being a good dad and having fun with younger women. I agree. And I don’t think it’s right for the betrayed spouse to poison the kids’ minds or deliberately alienate them or anything. I’m just pointing out that kids (especially older kids) are pretty savvy and they will probably figure out what happened. And it’s not unusual for them to feel angry and feel like you chose a younger woman / women over being able to see them and be in their lives every day. (Bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 05:08 PM
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Assuming the wife was honest about her past - why did he marry her if it was an issue to him? Was there a gun to his head?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 04:22 PM
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Well yes, the problem is that the average women has considerably more opportunity than the average man when it comes to experimenting in their youth. So the system that you're describing heavily favors women. This “system” exists only because men are largely indiscriminate about who they have sex with, and women aren’t. Men could collectively change this “system” if they wanted to. The middle aged man will cheat if he feels like he's entitled to do so. And he’ll probably eventually get caught, g…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 04:18 PM
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Honestly I’m enjoying OP’s creativity. It’s a refreshing change from the 628th thread about women’s N counts.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 11:53 PM
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That said, in my observation, it is not the welders, oil riggers, miners, police officers, fire fighters, soldiers, trash men, contractors, construction workers, electricians, mechanics, plumbers, union workers, delivery drivers, factory workers, truck drivers, farmers, etc. who lack for female romantic attention. In fact most of these men have fun with their friends at the pubs and have gfs, wives, baby mamas, hookups, etc. This has been my observation as well. First responders and skilled blue…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/23 10:15 PM
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Also, women having babies in their 30s was never rare / abnormal. Hell, Eleanor of Aquitaine had her last child around age 44, and that was in the 1100s. The only thing that is different now is that more women are having their first child around age 30 instead of their 4th - 6th child.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/23 10:18 PM
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This is a bit different. Until the 60s/70s, men literally had their thumbs on the scale when it came to educational / employment opportunities for women. Women aren’t succeeding today at the expense of men, men are dropping out / choosing not to participate, probably for multifaceted reasons. That being said, I fully support programs or incentives to increase men’s rates of enrollment in higher education / skilled trades. I think programs that specifically help boys succeed should probably start…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 11:44 PM
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I think he might be talking about cannibalism. I hope I’m wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 09:45 PM
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Exactly. How can a compromise be reached if men if it means women have to sacrifice their autonomy to make men happy? In what universe is that a compromise? If men want to talk about either doing away with the draft or making both men and women register - this is reasonable. If men want to talk about raising pay / benefits for essential workers who keep society running smoothly - this is reasonable. If men want to talk about affirmative action, male-only scholarships or other programs to help th…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 06:15 PM
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Isn’t it a little early to be saying “no regrets” if she’s still just your fiancé? If she’s only 21 I’m assuming (hoping) you haven’t been together any longer than 3 years, right? Like of course there is nothing to regret if you’ve only been together a relatively short while and haven’t dealt with the challenges of marriage / raising children yet. Shit gets real once your a decade and a couple of kids in.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 06:02 AM
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Some even pretend being a corporate cog in a machine is an enjoyable thing and call themselves “career women.” Meh. Most women (like men) don’t have careers they love. They have jobs they tolerate. But it’s preferable to being an adult who is financially dependent on someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 04:38 AM
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Men who think this way don’t view sex as a mutually enjoyable activity. So it doesn’t matter to them if she didn’t enjoy something in the past - what matters to them is that she “allowed” another man to do it to her. So therefore she must allow him to do it to her as well - to prove the guy from her past is not the better / more alpha male or some shit. They don’t want to be the guy the woman feels safe with, physically and emotionally. Safe to voice her true desires / fantasies as well as her f…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/23 04:10 AM
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Don’t get me wrong, these are all realities that I’m sure they were aware of when they got married (second marriage later in life) and that we all have to deal with to an extent, I would just rather do it because I’m in love with someone and we just accept the consequences, RATHER than seek that situation out. Agreed. If a 25 year old and a 38 year old fall in love, I see nothing inherently wrong with it and wish them the best. Their relationship may have unique challenges but as long as both pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/23 04:00 PM
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I’ve seen this too. A lot of the guys who are the most vocal about shit like “we men prefer 18-20 year old virgins, deal with it post-wall hags!” will admit in other threads that they are a 28 year old virgin who has never had a girlfriend. They have allllll these preferences and opinions on heterosexual relationships with zero experience. It kind of reminds me of someone without children who has all these opinions and hard and fast rules about how their future kids will never have any screen ti…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/23 06:12 PM
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They didn't get it, i wasn't looking for someone higher on some rank system, i just wanted to feel a click or the potential for a click. I probably went on to click with someone much lower on your ranking scale. Exactly this. And this is also why it’s unfathomable to women when guys say “I just want to date a woman who’s nice enough and not obese, and I would be happy!” To guys, they think “these are such reasonable standards, it’s proof that guys are less shallow / judgmental than women!” But t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/23 01:50 PM
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Not all women though. Some will choose to be alone instead of compromising on attraction. The number of women who are foregoing marriage / children is increasing. Probably because being an “old maid” is less of a social black mark than it ever was. Theoretically this should make you guys happy, because it means less of a chance becoming “beta buxx” for a woman who couldn’t get her first pick to settle down with her. Yet if a woman says she doesn’t want marriage or children, men come out of the w…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/23 02:48 PM
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Used, no. Exhausted, yes sometimes. But the parent / child relationship is fundamentally different for a lot of reasons, not least of which is that the goal of the parent is to guide the child into becoming a fully-functional, independent adult who no longer “needs” then one day. So the leader / follower dynamic is by nature temporary. And yes, I realize that adults may still ask their parents for guidance / advice if they have a good relationship and trust the parent’s judgment. But the adult i…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 07:05 PM
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I agree with everything you said. They also say stuff like “well excuse me for not wanting a ball busting bitch who berates me for not loading the dishwasher her way!” I can’t tell if they really think there are only two archetypes of women (aggressive, domineering bitch or sweet shy flower) or if they are purposefully building a straw man argument. At first I thought the latter, but then I remembered a lot of guys on here (the young men in particular) have no experience with women. So maybe the…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 02:55 PM
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And if we don't agree on something important and can't find the compromise, she trusts me to make the right, sensible decision and does as I say without holding any grudges towards me even if in the end she was right and I was wrong. Everyone makes mistakes, but how many times should you be able to make a bad decision that affects her (over her objections / warnings beforehand) and expect her to smile and say nothing? 2x? 5x? If it turns out your wife was in the right about something, would you …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 02:04 PM
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Wanting or not wanting children is a relationship dealbreaker though. No one should compromise by having children they don’t want - that’s not fair to the potential children and a recipe for disaster. But there can definitely be a compromise reached regarding the purchase of a new vehicle. Maybe the compromise is that you settle on a gently used, more affordable vehicle instead of a new one. Or the party who wants the new car comes up with a budget to afford the monthly payments by reducing thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 03:05 AM
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Ok, but the thing about taller political candidates faring better with voters doesn’t actually men they possess better leadership qualities. It just means people in general have a preferential bias for tall people, probably similar to the way attractive people get better treatment. In year 2010, 1 in 5 men older than 40 in the US were never married. No-one becomes a head of a family by virtue of having a penis. They become by virtue of being chosen for this role. But for most western women, choo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/23 01:26 AM
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I don't know where to start. Everything. We have no other ways of interacting with the world than with our physical bodies doing physical actions, ranging from pressing a button to loading bombs into airplane or unloading a truck of building materials. Thinking that decision making is somehow detached from physicality is a delusion on par with and derived from believing that decision making happens because we have a supernatural, immaterial soul. I still don’t understand what you’re saying here.…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 11:42 PM
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But in reality women marry men stronger than them, taller than them, older than them, smarter than them, richer than them, and more stress-resistant than them. Why the Hell in these conditions should he not have the final word in decision-making. What does being physically stronger / taller have to do with decision making capabilities? You could make an argument that the smarter person should have more decision-making authority, but most couples seem to be pretty well-matched in intellect / educ…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 10:58 PM
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Right. There is a difference between being wasted at the local dive bar 5 nights a week and having a few drinks with friends on trivia night or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 09:09 PM
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The very same people that say "don't have kids", if you were to ask them later when they are calm "do you really regret having kids?", they are likely to tell you "not at all, I love my kids, and they are the best thing that ever happened to me". I love my children more than anything and don’t regret them one bit - but parenting is an exhausting, stressful time of life. I 100% understand why it would not appeal to everyone. In my case, I always knew I wanted to be a mother since I was a young gi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 06:39 PM
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Idk if the kids suffered, but it definitely wasn’t ideal for me. We couldn’t afford for me not to work, but I would love to see better / longer maternity leaves for mothers in the US, like they have in almost every other country.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 06:10 PM
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Right? With both my kids I worked right up until giving birth. As in, ended my shift and went in to the hospital to be induced that night / the next morning. I had 12 weeks maternity leave (which I received pay for) and that’s it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 04:25 PM
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I like to bind! I like to be bound!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 02:52 PM
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It's better to roll the die ten times with good odds than it is to roll the die once with excellent odds. The only data I could find estimated that risk of mortality among mothers aged 10 to 14 is five times higher than for mothers aged 20 to 24; which would put the risk at about 1%(as of 2010) Ok, but in the second or two it takes a man to decide whether or not he finds someone attractive, he’s not taking into account how many possible future babies she can give him. As guys on here love to poi…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 09:24 PM
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What basic facts about human sexuality? The study shows that adult men rate the faces of young girls (age 11-15) higher than young women (age 19-30.) What would be the biological reason for this? Woman are the most fertile in their early 20s. Even a 30 year old woman has a better chance of having a healthy pregnancy and baby than a child who is 11-15.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 08:15 PM
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Two Questions: 1) Was jealousy ever an issue for the two of you when you started the swinging lifestyle? 2) Does your wife adhere to a strict diet / workout regimen? She looks fantastic for any age let alone 50.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 08:44 PM
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Well I guess that’s the key difference. I don’t see my husband as better than me (at least not in the ways that would make him a better leader / decision maker.) He is better looking than me, yes - but I am better educated, I make more money, I am more even-tempered, etc. But I don’t see myself as better than him, either. He has personality strengths that counter my weaknesses and vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 07:45 PM
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Why the need to be submissive at all? Why do PPD guys think the only two female archetypes are sweet submissive flower or ball-busting boss bitch? I’m not “submissive” to my husband and he’s not the head of the household. But I still do kind, considerate things for him on the regular. I’m not argumentative in general (I struggle with being too non-confrontational TBH) but I don’t automatically defer to his judgement either. If there’s a disagreement we talk through it like adults. I will never u…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 06:53 PM
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I couldn’t help but read that with Dwight Schrute’s voice in my head. “False…”
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 03:02 PM
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Amy Dunne is crazy yes - but I see the truth in her monologue. I mean isn’t this EXACTLY what PPD guys want? A hot, submissive, agreeable woman to support him and “be his peace?”
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 01:21 AM
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I will never understand people’s love for pitbulls. There are so many wonderful dog breeds that don’t maul babies to death.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 01:12 AM
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White men dont fuck black women we dont really find them attractive. But why? Black and brown ppl age so nicely. I’m over here slathering SPF 50 on every time I leave the house but it only helps so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 12:17 AM
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Because the non-black dudes are afraid their dicks won’t satisfy after she’s been with a black guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 11:14 PM
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Psshhh, I wish I had Iggy Pop’s cheekbones.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 11:11 PM
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Also, there are tons of videos on TikTok and the like from girls about how head over heels in love with their boyfriend / husband who has “golden retriever energy.” Women do love happy, sweet guys. They just need also to be sort of fun and interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 08:46 PM
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Right?? When guys here say they would be happy with an “average” looking woman - is this what they mean? She’s most definitely pretty.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 02:45 AM
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I think she’s lovely. I would normally rate myself as a 3.5, but if she’s a 5, then I’m a bridge troll. Whoops sorry didn’t notice the Q4M part.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 09:49 PM
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How does each sex deal with becoming disenchanted about having a relationship with the opposite sex? Men go to MGTOW. Women go to FDS. One is men wanting to be left alone. The other is women trying 4D strategies to score a man. Which one sounds happier to be alone? There are way, way more “disenchanted” men who follow / buy into manosphere podcasts and crap than women who follow FDS.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/22 03:04 PM
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So, unless a dude or a chick become a parent in their mid teens to mid 20s, the best thing that person oughta do is to not have children. Teenage pregnancies have higher incidences of complications for both mothers and babies. And women having babies in their 30s was not unusual even 1000s of years ago. What is new is women having their first baby around 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/22 06:54 PM
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I think alimony is justified in certain circumstances for a limited amount of time. Like if one spouse has been a SAHP for a good 10+ years, it’s reasonable for him/her to get modest alimony for a couple of years to have time to get a degree or work-related education / training. But only for a limited time and not simply because one spouse makes more $$ than the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/22 11:09 PM
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Zelenskyy. The first guy isn’t handsome at all. Like I can tell he has a good physique or whatever but his face is not handsome. Zelenskyy is handsome, funny, intelligent, and courageous. What’s not to like?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 05:22 PM
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So you’re saying most people’s issue with cheating isn’t actually the cheating itself, but the deception that leads to it? Seems reasonable enough on paper I guess but I doubt that everyone will see it that way. For the majority of people, both the cheating itself and the lying / gaslighting is hurtful. But if one party tells the other party upfront that they don’t intend to be monogamous - and the other party chooses to stay - it’s not really cheating IMO. It still might be hurtful to the other…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 04:29 PM
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But it’s not like the record label tells the artist: “we promise we are not going to sign any other artists, you’re our one and only star!” That’s the problem with this analogy. The high earning husband in this scenario has promised commitment and sexual exclusivity and then crosses his fingers behind his back. If someone wants a one-way open relationship and feels they can get this because of the other things they bring to the relationship, they should be honest and up front about that from the…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/22 02:09 PM
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Omg! 😂 Only way that anime girl is 110 pounds with those G size titties is if she’s 4’8.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 09:24 PM
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Well on the upside, delivering the 2nd baby was a piece of cake. She was 8 1/2 pounds and practically fell out. 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 04:51 PM
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I mean…that doesn’t usually happen. I gave birth to an 11+ pound baby and only had 2nd degree tears. Definitely not fun though. The weird thing is - you sort of forget what the pain feels like / the intensity of it. I think that’s nature’s way of tricking you into letting yourself get pregnant again. Like you remember it hurt but you can’t exactly remember HOW MUCH it hurt…until you’re in active labor again. Then it all comes back.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 04:25 PM
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When you do decide who to have kids with you discriminate. That's your right, to have any preference you want. Well, ok. If you mean discrimination in that sort of way, i.e., “she has discriminating taste in art.” It sounded like you more meant discrimination as in unjust or prejudicial treatment. But to suggest that men have it easy while our reproductive rights are non-existing. Imagine having to live alone and never experience having a family because you were born too short? I never suggested…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 02:04 PM
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Wait, what? Women having having the capacity to get pregnant and give birth = discrimination against men? That’s just….biology? Are men discriminating against women by being taller and stronger?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 01:40 PM
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The overwhelming majority of nurses are women, and while there are still currently more male doctors, this is not likely to be true for much longer. I wouldn’t say this are useless degrees.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/22 01:25 AM
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This is because men aren't in a position to where they can demand such things. I’m not so sure about that. Guys on here are not like “I would love to have a well-educated, successful wife, but pickings are slim.” They say that at best, they are indifferent to their partner’s education level / earning potential. And a lot of them see actually see it as a detriment. Be someone they don't find physically repulsive and doesn't take too much away from their life. But don’t you see how this mindset is…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 06:04 PM
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You can be the most boring woman in the world but as long as you are somewhat pleasant and somewhat attractive you will have no problems finding someone. I mean…you guys say on here all the time: “we don’t care about your degrees or your careers or your silly hobbies. Just be nice enough and cook/clean and have sex with us.” I don’t think it’s exactly a flex that men don’t require anything but the most superficial traits. All I ever hear on guys’ lists here is nice, pretty, young, submissive. Al…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 03:46 PM
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Kind of off topic but I remember reading about the “grandmother hypothesis.” Going off memory, but basically humans and 1-2 other types of whales are the only animals where the females are capable of living long past their fertility. The hypothesis is that natural selection advanced this longevity gene / trait, because the young women who could rely on their middle-aged mothers to help care for babies / toddlers had better chances of their children surviving to adulthood. The young women could s…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/22 03:36 PM
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They'll use every buzzword and excuse in their repertoire, from claiming the artificially grown women are being abused to trying to get laws passed banning their creation. But…wouldn’t they be abused? Aren’t they being created for the express purpose of being an NPC sex slave? I mean we are talking about humans being grown, right? Not robots? They'll be curiously silent on the creation of custom-designed men though. Doubtful.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 06:26 PM
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It may be that free and emancipated, most women do not find that most men provide a net benefit to their lives. Women may naturally be more selective than many feared; or conversely, perhaps they are not so much picky as most men are objectively not that attractive or useful to women. That would likely amount to the same thing in the end. So my gut feeling is that while the majority of women do want / actively seek a partner, there is a sizable minority that will prefer being single for various …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 02:56 PM
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…I don’t understand. In this scenario, the womb would be artificial, not the human that grew in it. Why would the resulting human have any less rights / autonomy than any other human? They’re not robots…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 02:21 PM
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They’ll also cheat with older and/or uglier women, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/22 03:09 AM
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Well if I were to make a genuine attempt to fit the analogy like the lock and key. From the jump I've gone through a whole semester at school with like 2 pencils, pencil sharpener I've replaced a soon as it becomes a chore to re-sharpen, so we are in disagreement on your stance of longevity of sharpeners. But the pencil = penis. And you only get one in life. You can’t use another one when the one you have gets “used up.” If anything your analogy is more in line with men than the lock and key. Ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 07:19 PM
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A good pencil sharpener eventually gets dull with use, but it is useful a lot longer than an individual pencil. And if a pencil sharpened down to a nub has fulfilled its purpose….that translates to what, exactly? That men should retire from sex after 10 or so encounters? Or after fathering a few kids? My point was not that pencil sharpener vs. pencil is a better analogy than lock & key. It’s that they are both weak analogies.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 06:06 PM
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…but you do realize there can be different levels of quality, right? That an analogy can be considered strong or weak? If an analogy is weak, what’s the point of using it in an argument / debate?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 05:05 PM
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But “blind as a bat” is only focusing on eyesight of bat vs. eyesight of person with bad vision. Not comparing bats to humans overall. So the analogy works because it’s comparing like thing to like thing, more or less. The problem with the lock and key analogy, on the other hand, is that in order to accept the analogy we have to accept that a penis is like a lock and a key is like a vagina. That because they are vaguely visually similar, that must mean that they are “supposed to” function in sim…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 04:04 PM
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Exactly. It’s a bad analogy, because it compares things that have similarities at the surface level while ignoring the more fundamental ways they are different. Fish don’t want to be caught, ever, under any circumstances. There is a damn good reason they avoid the fisherman. Is the same true for women? Are women deliberately avoiding men because they are inherently harmed by sex/relationships with men? (I don’t believe this, just pointing out that the conclusion follows logically if the analogy …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 02:08 PM
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I always thought it was a sneaky way to ask if the curtains match the carpet. Like if a guy asks if you’re a natural redhead, that’s what he’s wondering.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 05:58 PM
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Together for 13 years, married for 7. 2 kids together + his kids from his first marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 05:38 PM
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Whether it’s men who abuse women or men who abandon their children, PPD guys always have the same stance: “How could women do this?!?” 🥺
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/22 08:24 PM
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The best example is when Darcy pays off Wickham to marry Lydia. A man he thoroughly despises. And he does it solely because he can’t bear to see Elizabeth suffering. Even though she’s uniformly rejected him at this point - he does this incredible gesture for her without meaning for her to find out about it and with no hope it will improve his standing with her. He does it because he loves her and can’t bear to see her unhappy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 03:47 PM
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I don’t think women naturally age better than men, but I think women are more likely to take good care of their skin. Moisturizers and makeup almost always have SPF 25+ in them by default now. Many more women than man are religious about using sunscreen, not to mention retinoids and vitamin C serums, etc. Regular use of sunscreen + not smoking makes a huge difference in how quickly your skin ages. I’m 41 and I have no deep wrinkles at all and very few fine lines.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 12:11 AM
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I just mean the dating market would be better if women were pressured to have lower standards and settle as opposed to “I don’t need no man” mantra. I think everyone should come to grips with the concept that a large number of women are actually happier alone than to be in a relationship with a man who doesn’t meet their standards. It’s not necessarily a “fuck you” to men, it’s just individual women living life as they see fit.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 10:24 PM
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You know you’re not smart by immediately shutting down an analogy by stating “it’s not the same thing” that’s what an analogy is, it’s different but analogous in the principle that matters. Relationships are as transactional as money. And you know that two things can be comparable at a surface level but still be considered a bad analogy, because the ways they are different are more fundamental than the similarities, right? I’m saying it’s not actually analogous in principle. There absolutely is …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 09:54 PM
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Comparing income inequality to sexually unsuccessful men (or women) is like apples to oranges. There are real systemic issues in play that make it easier for the rich to get richer at the expense of the poor. This doesn’t apply to sexual relationships - no one is oppressing anyone else by not choosing to enter into a relationship with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 09:15 PM
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It’s not jealousy, it’s the anger than follows when you feel something is unjust. What exactly is unjust? How are people choosing to have sex / relationships with who they want to unjust? Unjust to whom?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 08:55 PM
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But no one is forcing guys to get married at all…? Why promise exclusivity if you don’t intend to give it? Why not just not get married, or be upfront about wanting an open marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 01:21 AM
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It’s bullshit. Period. My wife is a SAHW. She sits on the couch for over half the time I’m at work. I think how much a SAHP is reasonably able to get done at home is going to vary a lot depending on the number and ages of the children. I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect to expect the wife / mother to keep a spotless house and dinner on the table every night when she has a baby that she’s getting up multiple times a night to nurse, plus a toddler and a school-aged child she has to cart to sc…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/22 03:53 PM
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My husband isn’t the head of our household (I generally make more household decisions but I consider us equal.) And my Dad wasn’t even the head of my household growing up. My mom was definitely in charge, and my parents were baby boomer conservative Catholics. Women are quite frequently the head of the household (in western society at least.)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 10:52 PM
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This is pretty much the same dynamic in my marriage as well. My husband and I tend to defer to whoever has more knowledge / expertise in the subject at hand. I find (some) men’s obsession with submissiveness on this sub very bizarre. Like - I’m an elder milllenial / xennial and my parents were baby boomers, yet my mom was in no way submissive to my dad. Come to think of it my grandma wasn’t really submissive to my grandpa either. This just wasn’t a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/22 12:31 AM
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If culture had standards and sleeping around would be seen as something bad, for both men and women, and we would have a proper social stigma, all the pill would disappear. Perhaps, but even in the good ol’ days, promiscuity and/or infidelity was much more tolerated in men. “Sowing your wild oats” was expected of young men prior to settling down. And after marriage, a good wife was supposed to look the other way / forgive infidelity for the sake of not breaking up the family. Maybe the wayward h…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 07:38 PM
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This is true in my household and most of my married friends. Both parents work full-time (although it’s common for Dad to work longer hours / less flexible hours) and Mom does at least 75% of household and childcare tasks. 50/50 would be an absolute dream to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/22 05:41 PM
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You’re right. Which is why 30+ year olds shouldn’t be trying to date freshly turned 18 year olds. 22/23? Meh, whatever. Live and let live.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/22 01:27 PM
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As I mentioned in the OP, mutual commitment can be a win-win. The problem is when two people try to exchange sex for commitment and commitment for sex. I think it’s more like - I will give you sex and commitment if you give me sex and commitment back. For some people it’s a package deal. But again, I don’t see how it’s manipulative if the person wanting to secure commitment is upfront about their needs / wants / boundaries. If they lie about their intentions that would be a different story. Or w…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 04:46 PM
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Exclusivity is not commitment. It is simply being monogamous for the period the relationship lasts. Ok…but if I’m understanding your argument, a woman is being manipulative if she requires exclusivity or commitment (as you define them) in return for a sexual relationship. Is that right? You are arguing that people who are attracted / interested in each other should have sex for sex’s sake alone, and if it develops into a deeper relationship or commitment, great. If not, that’s fine too. And a wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 04:17 PM
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I am not talking about withholding something you don't enjoy: I am talking about people who want to have sex, but choose not to, to leverage their sexuality into a personal benefit. But it’s possible to want something and also know it’s not good or healthy for you long term. If a woman knows herself well enough to realize that a sexual relationship without a commitment / exclusivity ultimately leaves her feeling bad, she’s not “leveraging her sexuality” by declining to have sex with a fuckboy sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 02:18 PM
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*Of course a pedophile exercises their autonomy if they pursue children. It's a preference they have and they go for it. More concretely, a world where pedophiles and teenagers can get together would be a world with more sexual freedom than our current world. However you'd agree that it would not be a better world. I don't understand the mental leap from "a child cannot consent" to "therefore, a pedophile doesn't exercise authority by pursuing children." The point isn't that women not dating los…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 04:25 AM
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The US had anti-miscegenation laws that were vigorously enforced a couple generations ago. Which were immoral and rightfully revoked. Ethically speaking there's nothing special about the individual autonomy of a traditional cishet person versus the autonomy of a pedophile, we just believe as a society that the exercise of the pedophile's autonomy causes too much collateral damage. So there's a balancing of the benefits and costs of full autonomy. I don’t understand what you mean here. A pedophil…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 03:07 AM
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I was comparing two specific hypothetical outcomes: 1) some men being unhappy / lonely, but women maintaining full autonomy vs. 2) most men being able to get a partner / wife because women lost some rights (financial, legal, etc) to incentivize them to accept men they otherwise wouldn’t. I do think it’s crazy that this is up for debate here. I’m not a libertarian and I do believe there need to be limits on individual freedom for the health and safety of all. But the decision to share your body a…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 01:04 AM
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I wouldn’t go so far as to say delusional standards should be encouraged. But I do think each person on an individual level should do some introspection about what they truly want out of life and if/how a partner plays a role in that. For example, I knew from a young age I wanted to be a mother. I met my now-husband in my late 20s. In many ways he ticked off a lot of the boxes of what I was looking for in a partner. However, he had been married before and already had children. This wasn’t my ide…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 06:15 PM
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To them, it beats just saying: "Yes, a lot of unattractive men will suffer badly on a scale unseen before in history. But what can be done? We like who we like and don't like who we don't like? Women are free now, and this is part of what that liberty entails." It’s kind of wild to me that in a modern / enlightened society this is even up for debate…? Of course the greater evil would be losing your autonomy / individual liberty.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 05:26 PM
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I don’t see an issue in the sense that whoever posted that comment seems to be okay with the possibility (or even likelihood) that she won’t get the man she wants. If she understands this and makes the deliberate choice to remain single rather than “settle” for someone who doesn’t meet her standards….I legitimately don’t see the issue. I don’t share her level standards and she may be delusional about what she can pull, but it’s not an issue that affects anyone else but her.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 05:05 PM
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You can't actually force anyone. Your only recourse if she decides to just do it anyway is a path that leads to divorce....after her having become a sahm. True, but then you control your response to that. If your wife becoming a SAHM is a dealbreaker, and you initiate divorce, family court will generally impute her income if she is voluntarily unemployed or underemployed. So if she was a lawyer who quit her job, the judge is going to look at her last couple years’ W2s and use that in the child s…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/22 04:22 PM
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Right. Which is why they look up to Andrew Tate and not, idk, Tom Hanks who by all accounts has been happily married for decades.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 10:26 PM
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I’ve said this before on here: there are actual steps a man can take to avoid being “divorce raped.” Such as: -Choosing a partner with similar income and not agreeing to let your spouse become a SAHM. -Purposefully seeking careers / employment opportunities that allow you to have roughly equal parenting time with your children while you are married. (The same way women typically seek out flexible / family-friendly job opportunities.) Then, in the even of a divorce, you can say “judge, I have con…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/22 02:39 PM
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I think you misunderstood what I meant (I probably didn’t articulate myself well enough.) It’s not simply lonely men wanting their struggles to be heard / validated. It’s perfectly understandable to want this. I’m specifically talking about a sub-set of lonely men who simultaneously dislike women, but also tend to expect unwavering empathy and support from them. And then they get more angry when the women they’ve called whores / bitches don’t provide nurturing or emotional support or validate th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 09:42 PM
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How is society trying to stop them from getting a wife?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 08:46 PM
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Many people tell single men "you are not entitled to sex". They are increasingly responding "you are not entitled to a civilized society" But single men are still enjoying the benefits of a civilized society as well. Police, firefighters, sanitation workers, EMTs / medical workers, public schools etc. Not to mention all the non-necessary benefits like state and National parks, libraries, museums, etc etc. Civilized society benefits us all. Society needs to ensure everyone can participate since t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 08:05 PM
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Or maybe Chad isn’t making the incel kids at all. Chad’s kid is probably the quarterback going out with head cheerleader. Maybe the solution is all billy betas should be voluntarily celibate to improve the gene pool? And then in a few generations we’ll have only Chads and less lonely men? (I don’t personally believe this, I think men who are involuntarily celibate almost always have bigger issues other than just looks. Just following your logic / argument.)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 06:27 PM
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At the very least I'm expected to pay for social services that disproportionately benefit reckless women. To me, this is a bizarre talking point. I’m a woman who has never been on welfare. (Unless you count the 2 months of unemployment I collected for the first time in my life after being laid off this summer.) As a W2 wage earner I’m paying for those social services as well. And I’ve always worked full-time to support my family. But I have zero bitterness towards other women (or men) who need a…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 06:17 PM
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But….tall, muscular, chiseled jaw, big-dicked men are probably not violent incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 05:56 PM
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*Yes, let's do a minority report type thing where we arrest people based on the suspicion that they might commit acts of violence in the future. These type of actions have of course never led to any group being systematically oppressed or downright hunted ever in modern history. *🙄 You think reporting people who threaten acts of violence is… a bad thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 05:46 PM
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OP, I think you really hit the nail on the head with this part: The hatred that single men may embody for themselves and the world around them is now an issue women have been asked to consider. There is something I’ve noticed on this sub that sort of ties in with this. The men on here (not all of them) who seem to harbor the most disdain / vitriol for women in general are also the same men who expect higher levels of empathy and cooperation from women as a whole. They will go on and on about how…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/22 05:42 PM
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I’ve noticed that too. When I’ve made the point on here’s that practically speaking, most men don’t earn enough to support a wife and a couple kids on one income, I always get a response like “well I make 65k and and if you budget and live frugally you can support a family just fine.” I always think - fucking WHERE? Bumfuck, Missouri??
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/22 06:38 PM
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I agree with this. I think the fact that men have different libidos is why they think women “withhold” sex when they are upset with their partner. But it’s not like that. It’s not like “I really want to jump his bones right now, but I’m mad at him, so I have to teach him a lesson by withholding sex!” It’s more like, “I’m hurt and don’t feel connected to him right now, and sex is the last thing I want to do.”
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 06:02 PM
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The child-rearing part, yes the first few years that matters. After that kids barely need attention. Lol, what?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/22 01:29 PM
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Right! I really don’t understand all the hate for women in general on this sub. Allowing exceptions for mothers with Cluster B personality disorders or something…no one and I mean NO ONE loves and cares about you like your mother. Did ya’ll not have moms? And I say that as someone whose dad was nicer / easier to get along with than my mom.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 10:50 PM
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Is this what they call cognitive empathy?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/22 01:01 AM
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I’ve observed this too. I’ve heard guys praising their grandmother / great-grandmother who stuck by grandpa despite his serial cheating or gambling or whatever. They seem to idolize a woman who “stands by her man” no matter what. Whenever I read stories like this I think of how it sounds like a miserable life.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 11:20 PM
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Yeah. It’s so strange because on the one hand you have guys on here terrified of being “beta bucks.” They claim it’s essential to them that a woman genuinely desires them (which is reasonable.) But then dig a little deeper and they talk about going overseas to get brides because foreign women are “grateful” for a chance at a better life…and/or they are nostalgic for the good ol’ days when women had to find a decent man to marry for security. So I think it’s not that they fear being beta bucks pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 08:50 PM
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Some undesirables on another post was doing the whole “girl from Philippines because women here say they’re independent and don’t need a man!” Another woman asked why it matters for them to have a woman who doesn’t desire a career. And I told her because it’s easier to demean and abuse a woman with no resources. Treat her how you want with no repercussions. Sex, children, cook, maid, house slave, occasional punching bag. All in one. He comes back and says no it’s nice to know you’re actually lov…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 07:23 PM
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1 without a question. #1 is a normal dude with integrity and morals and #2 sounds like a psychopath.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 03:35 PM
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Why is it an ego thing to contribute financially? In my case we literally couldn’t live in my husbands income alone - not without drastically reducing our standard of living (which is just moderate middle class lifestyle as is.) Why should my husband, who works a blue collar manual labor job, have to slave by working lots of OT so we can make ends meet? When I can work a white collar job mostly from home as well? My plan is to let him retire as early as possible and I will continue working as lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 12:54 AM
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What sort of things that “artificially amplify female standards” would you propose to eliminate? Like what specific societal / governmental changes would you make?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 12:43 AM
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Do you think every man that wants a wife / family has a job that can support a family on one income? You sound very tradcon. I agree that traditional men should seek out like-minded traditional women. Most men (in the US at least) are not traditional and don’t have such strong feelings about their wives not working. Women “like myself” get married and have families all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 12:37 AM
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Wow, working full time? Why have children if you are giving them to be raised by someone else? lol 🙄 By that logic I suppose men don’t raise their children either, right? To answer your question, I had children because I’ve always wanted to be a mother. Although I’m not traditional in some ways, I’ve always had the maternal / nurturing urge. And I have a job that allows me to work from home 3 days a week. (My former job allowed me to work from home 5 days a week which I loved - hoping to negotia…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/22 12:21 AM
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I agree with all this. I think another root problem is how structured and academic elementary school has become in the US. I’m talking very young kids, like kindergarten through 2nd grade. Way too much sitting still, being quiet, filling out worksheets. When my son started kindergarten I was FLOORED by how academic it was, compared to how I remember kindergarten when I went in the late 80s. It used to be half days and lots of recess / free play. Now it’s full days with like 20 minute recess and …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 11:46 PM
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That said, I want to prioritize male and female happiness equally. Look for win-win solutions that don't put one gender's needs and desires over the other, at least in the big picture. But that doesn't mean we should not constrain some behavior through various means. But what if more women choosing to remain single / childless isn’t a trend that can be or should be rectified? What if they’re just….happier this way? I believe the majority of women do (and probably always will) desire partnership …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 11:34 PM
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Wanting to be "equal" is just a thing a woman says to boss you around, I find. Anytime you actually get into an argument, if you don't give way to her, you are being "domineering" and not treating her like an equal. Equal just means her needs, ideas and goals are not secondary to yours. And it's a competition thing to. If a man had an option between a woman that wants to be domineering, focus on her career and not him, and only wants pets and not children, OR, a foreign woman who wants a family …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 11:19 PM
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Why is it ridiculous for a woman to want to be equal with their partner? What’s inherently wrong with a woman having a career, friends, and cats? Also why the false dichotomy? It’s not like there are only two types of women - uber feminine, submissive 50s style housewife or child-hating CEO working 80 hours a week.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 10:38 PM
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I am genuinely sorry for your struggles and I hope things start to look up for you. Thank you for sharing. I can agree we need more resources allocated to help men - especially boys and young men. I think the male-only spaces and male role models would be a great start. Let’s give boys a good strong foundation / good sense of self long before puberty. I worry about my son (he’s 9.) He’s smart and a nice looking boy but he just….struggles socially. I can see his confidence being affected and it b…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 06:40 PM
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I’m genuinely sorry to hear you are struggling and I hope things get better for you!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 06:12 PM
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What would prevention strategies look like? Educational / occupational programs geared toward men so they are more likely to have a sense of purpose?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 06:09 PM
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I get what you are saying, but isn’t this true for pretty much all violent / criminal behavior? That it’s a combination of genetic predisposition and environment / early childhood experiences? We aren’t overly sympathetic to child abusers, even if they were abused themselves as a child. Or rather - we are sympathetic to them up to the point where they make the choice to abuse a child. At some point we have to account for the individual’s free will, even if he/she was dealt a shitty hand to start…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 04:47 PM
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But why aren’t all (or even most) men who are sexually / romantically unsuccessful becoming misogynistic incels? Why are the majority of lonely men able to resist the urge to become bitter and hateful to women? I think there is something fundamentally wrong with men who fall down the incel rabbit hole. And maybe being lonely / sexless was the catalyst - but it isn’t the root of the problem. edited to add missing word
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 04:14 PM
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Applebees is so gross though. I’d rather go to Arby’s or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/22 08:35 PM
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I agree with most of this but I’ll also add that the opposite is equally unattractive: guys who are overly aggressive and view even the smallest perceived “slight” as a threat to their manhood. Guys who are always eager to start a fight and feel like they have something to prove. Women like men who are genuinely kind / have integrity and who are confidently assertive.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 06:08 PM
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This one is so weird to me. If anything I’ve observed the exact opposite to hypergamy in women - most women get stuck in the “sunken cost” fallacy and will try to make a relationship work long past its expiration date.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 04:58 PM
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This is a good point. In a SAHP situation, the SAHP earns no money and in return does the bulk of the housework and childcare. The working parent could be making 80k or could be making 300k. So how does it make sense that a parent who works full-time but is not the primary breadwinner gets a….chore penalty? (Idk what to call it) for making less $$ than the other full-time working parent?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 04:51 PM
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How is it hypocrisy? Wanting equality between the sexes doesn’t literally mean women have to be 50% of all garbage collectors and men have to be 50% of all nurses. It just means that women who want to be garbage collectors have equal opportunity to do so, and men who want to be nurses have equal opportunity to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 04:39 PM
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I don’t see what the issue is….? If men are more likely to seek out these jobs because they believe the risk vs reward to working these jobs is personally beneficial to them, what’s wrong with that? The only time this becomes an issue is if there aren’t enough men who want to do these jobs. In which case society / industry will need to incentivize these jobs by increasing pay/ benefits and/or recruiting more women. Apparently that’s not the case. More women than men are nurses. I don’t think it’…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 03:33 PM
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Ok. But men who think this way should make their expectations known early on in dating. Because judging by the responses here, the majority of people do not think this is a reasonable take. Better to find out you are incompatible on this upfront.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 02:02 PM
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I disagree that men and women are “extremely different.” We’re more alike than different. Men are stronger, yes. Tougher? That’s debatable. Women live longer and have better immune systems. I don’t see any basis for the argument that women are “designed by nature to be far more gentle and sweeter than men.” It’s probably mostly due to socialization that women are more likely to exhibit these traits. Do you think cavewomen were gentle and sweet?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 04:30 AM
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This is just such a bizarre concept. What would this even look like? You both get home at 6pm, and then the higher-earning husband gets to crack open a beer and put his feet up, while the lower earning wife grabs the Clorox, puts on rubber gloves and starts her second shift?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/22 02:35 AM
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I think the difference is, women were always expected to remain faithful in these loveless / practical marriages. Whereas society turned a blind eye to men’s infidelity. It’s a lot easier to accept a loveless marriage if you can go out and find love/sex/romance on the side.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 01:00 PM
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Now it makes SO MUCH SENSE when you guys say “we don’t care about your job or how much money you make.” Because if she makes less than you, you think you get a live-in maid. 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 05:21 PM
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I make more money than my husband, but my job is remote hybrid and he works on-site full time. His job is also manual labor and mine is not. Because I am working from home 3 days a week, I am able to do a few loads of laundry, run / empty the dishwasher, and prep dinner. (In fact I often don’t take my “lunch” break until about 3:30PM, so I can spend some time with my kids when the bus drops them off after school…and then I have time to get dinner started so it’s pretty much ready to eat when my …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/22 03:35 PM
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Also, women should be marriage / children minded right out of college, but since guys their own age aren’t mature enough, they should date and marry dudes 10+ years older. But then also the biggest threat to us is supposed to be dying alone. Add a hefty age gap to the fact that women typically live longer than men (even when they are the same age)…sounds like we’re supposed to be okay with dying alone after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 06:21 PM
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This would make sense for a guy who purposefully abstained from casual sex. But it makes less sense for a guy who tried to get casual sex with little to no success. His body count isn’t lower because of some moral superiority.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 06:12 PM
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Most men don’t want primary custody. Or even 50/50 custody. The vast majority of divorces / custody arrangements are agreed upon between the spouses out of court. Another problem with 50/50 custody is that often the father’s work schedule doesn’t allow for it practically. Even in families where both spouses work full-time - it’s more likely the wife who find a job that will allow for more flexibility / more family-friendly schedule. It’s the wife who stays home with the kids when they are sick, …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 10:52 PM
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Celibacy didn’t cause priests to molest children. More likely they became priests for easy access to children. If it was just a matter of sexual frustration they could have had consensual sex with a grown adult.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 02:14 AM
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He hasn't done anything but simply acknowledge the attention he's getting. Would I be wrong to accuse my girlfriend of cheating because men keep approaching her? Duh. Your GF can’t help if men approach her / hit on her, so no, you shouldn’t be mad at her for that. But how would you feel if you found out she was secretly conflicted and really really wanted to fuck these other guys that hit on her? So far she hasn’t cheated and she acknowledges you’ve been loyal and don’t really deserve to be chea…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 03:42 PM
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Women (or men for that matter) playing the field when single is not that same as someone “exploring options” while in a committed LTR with a child. The single person playing the field has made no promises of commitment / fidelity to anyone. I don’t understand this comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/22 02:57 PM
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I have two, would have liked to have more (maybe 4?) but financially it wasn’t really feasible. Both my husband and I need to work (I’m the primary breadwinner but we can’t make it on my income alone.) But the cost of childcare for more than 2 kids was too much for us to swing. So I wouldn’t have needed a lump sum payout to entice me, but if free or low cost high quality childcare would have been available we probably would have had more. I’m 40 now, so more babies are probably not in the cards.…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/22 04:21 PM
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Maybe this is the introvert in me talking, but going to dinner with someone I don’t like / am not interested in sounds like a legit nightmare. In fact I almost bailed on the first date with my now-husband because I had such anxiety (and I was interested in him.) Are people really so motivated to get a free burger?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/22 07:30 PM
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What I don’t understand is this: if super “high value men” have a ton of options, and there are plenty of attractive women who would happily turn a blind eye to him stepping out as long as they get the ring / house / Mercedes or whatever (and I don’t doubt that there are plenty of women who would)…why don’t they just pick one of these women? Why not have this conversation early on, long before marriage? Like they could just be like “hey babe, I really love you a lot and this relationship has bee…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/22 05:56 PM
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The reality of the current situation is that men are choosing to not abuse a massive power imbalance in their favor and women are abusing the fuck out of that olive branch to get their power over men. What are we abusing, exactly? What power do we have over men? How are women living their lives as they see fit “abusive” to men? Also, in many parts of the world men do in fact abuse the massive power imbalance in their favor.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/22 06:22 PM
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And there's a huge difference between 18 and 23. At 23 brain development is nearly complete and people are quite a bit more mature than they were at 18. I can agree with this for the most part. There is a HUGE amount of growth and maturity that happens between 18 - 22/23. At that point, IDGAF really. What I find most disturbing is the guys who think there is nothing wrong with a 35 year old pursuing an 18 year old because “it’s legal.” Well, in some states the age of consent is 16. So do these g…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/22 09:55 PM
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Also the “women peak at 22” type of guys also tend to be the “when men cheat, it’s not as bad as when women cheat because blah blah blah” guys. So it’s not far fetched at all to think that when their formerly young virginal wife starts to age, they will rationalize why it’s not that big of a deal that they cheat as long as they keep fulfilling their husband / father duties etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 03:47 AM
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100%. Reminds me of guys who habitually cheat on every girlfriend they ever have, but they swear up and down that once they settle down with someone and get married, they’ll stop cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/22 03:44 AM
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“Hey man, I saw your wife today.” “Oh yeah?” “Yeah man, and she is uglyyyy…” “Yeah she’s ugly, but she sure can cook!” 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/22 03:58 PM
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Having sex every day isn't practical for most people. Especially for women who can literally experience pain and rawness from the excessive friction. And the irritation from the friction can make you more susceptible to infections, etc. Frequent sex can throw your PH off too. I think men don’t understand how much maintenance goes into being a vagina owner.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 01:35 PM
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Well….sure. It’s just weird that it’s not a prerequisite / desirable partner trait for a group that is terrified of getting financially screwed in the event of a divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/22 12:02 AM
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What they say: alimony is bad What they do: date and marry financial dependents This one is so strange to me. All the paranoia over “divorce rape” but then also haha women we don’t care about your degrees or your silly careers.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/22 09:31 PM
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Huh? I’m saying that on an individual basis, neither men nor women need to have a romantic relationship with the opposite sex. But of course on a larger scale men and women need each other for society to function.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/22 12:31 AM
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On a large scale, for society to function? Yes of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 11:31 PM
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When women say they don’t need men, they mean they don’t need to be married / be in a romantic relationship with a man to survive or have personal fulfillment. They don’t mean that men don’t contribute to society in any way, obviously they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/22 07:41 PM
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It’s interesting to me because I would have the exact opposite takeaway. If a woman generally cheats because she’s unhappy with the relationship…that means there are at least clues / signs prior to cheating that the relationship is at risk. And in most cases she’s let her partner know for weeks / months / years that she is unhappy for x reason. (This doesn’t make it morally acceptable for her to cheat of course….just pointing out it usually doesn’t come out of left field.) Whereas a man can be o…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/22 08:11 PM
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The brutal truth is far too many of the men that fall into the incel category aren’t contributing all that much to society to begin with. They latch themselves to construction workers and police and military but they aren’t. I’ve noticed this too. Guys on here will be all “men build houses / roads and and make up the majority of first responders…but they are going to drop out of society and quit working if they can’t get sex.” I’m like uhhhh pretty sure there is not an epidemic of firemen who ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 10:37 PM
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I don’t have a role model per se - but my sister is someone I look up to. She’s brilliant, successful, kind, moral, interesting, and fun to be with. Although I love my mother and have a decent relationship with her, she’s never been someone I wanted to emulate. The person I most admired / looked up to was actually my Dad.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/22 07:54 PM
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Off topic, but just curious, have you ever done an AMA thread? I’d be fascinated…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/22 03:18 PM
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https://youtu.be/feeIOZH7wr4
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 10:16 PM
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You’re like a big bear, dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 04:28 PM
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It’s been said by men time and again on this sub that an increase of sexless men will result in an increase in violence and a breakdown in the infrastructure (because if guys aren’t getting laid they aren’t going to repair bridges or do garbage collection or some shit.) Because lonely / depressed men stop giving a shit about other people and society in general. When women try to offer alternate solutions to combat male loneliness / feelings of desperation - things like therapy, joining volunteer…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 04:33 PM
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How is it tone policing? Who said anything about feminine, flowery language? I object to the message itself - that women need to give men sex in order to subdue their violent tendencies - not to the manner in which the message was delivered.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/22 04:35 AM
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It’s scary for the demographic that is likely to have said violence inflicted on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 11:22 PM
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We do have a clue. That’s why liberal / feminist women are shouting to anyone who will listen that overturning Roe V Wade was just the first step. Next will be birth control. We definitely know how fragile / tenuous women’s rights are. That’s why it’s scary to us to see on this sub Reddit and other sites online how many men truly believe women should be back in the kitchen and staying home to raise babies, whether they want to or not. They blame most of society’s ills on women’s liberation. We k…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 06:04 PM
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Yeah but Bill Maher’s audience it typically like this. They’ll clap for one guest and then enthusiastically clap for another guest with the exact opposite viewpoint like 90 seconds later. They just like sound bites. His audience reminds me of this clip from the Simpsons: https://youtu.be/VplleMHgmDs
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 04:09 PM
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1) I think some are genuinely lonely for actual companionship, sure. But a lot of sexless men are mostly wanting / missing the sex (and lots of guys on here have admitted as much - that casual sex is most highly valued, but committed relationships are a better way to secure sex on a regular basis for the average guy.) 2) The main issue I have is tying the male loneliness / sexlessness rates to an increase in violence and antisocial behavior. I’m not even saying it’s wrong or overly alarmist - it…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 02:54 PM
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I think men would get a lot more collective sympathy and support from women if when they discussed the issues / struggles they face, they left out these two talking points: 1) Too many men aren’t getting their dicks wet. 2) When men can’t get their dicks wet, they tend to get violent / destructive. This just immediately shuts down empathy from women because it comes off as a threat: “you ladies better start fucking us or else!” I have empathy for men’s issues such as loneliness (not lack of sex)…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 02:14 PM
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So wait…men are not overwhelmingly lonely / sex-deprived in apocalyptic numbers anymore? They are getting so much pussy thrown at them that they never need to commit? Sweet! Maybe we won’t see the same 5 threads posted about women’s unfair standards blah blah hypergamy yada yada.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 03:20 AM
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Yes, men are inherently more “powerful” in the sense that they are physically larger and stronger than women. Is this news to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 02:31 AM
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Whenever guys spout the whole “men have to provide something of value, but women are loved unconditionally” BS….I think they obviously haven’t seen the statistics regarding men who leave their terminally ill wives. Unconditional my ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 01:36 AM
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…and then they came home and made dinner, cleaned the house, did the laundry, bathed the kids / put the kids to bed….while their husband read his newspaper.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 01:29 AM
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*Men still are the ones that decide when to propose. If marriage is going down, it's because men are not propose anymore. If women desire or not to get married, that's another discussion. But women saying marriage is in decline because they are not intrested in marriage is the same as Incels saying they don't want to fuck Stacies that are having casual sex with Chad.* One of the main complaints on this sub is that due to female pickiness / high standards, many men can’t find a partner. Of course…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 01:22 AM
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Now women say they don't want to be "mommy" (a traditionally feminine task) in favor of treating men as men would have treated women in the past. Women themselves are the ones who said this treatment was less than ideal, yet when given the opportunity, they seem to just want to behave exactly the same way. Women aren’t treating men the way men treated women in the past. Women today aren’t demanding men sacrifice their careers / goals to be submissive, agreeable homemakers. Most modern western wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 10:19 PM
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Well, since 80% of divorces are being initiated by women, I find that hard to believe. Since courts usually tend to side with the parent initiating the divorce. Courts primarily choose the mother, and fathers have to prove that they are the better parent in order to get custody. Again, courts don’t usually choose at all. The parents usually present their already agreed upon parenting plan. But in the case of a contested divorce, men are often at a disadvantage because their work schedule doesn’t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 02:17 PM
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In the USA at least, the vast majority of divorces (including the parental custody arrangement) is decided out of court / agreed on by both parents before the judge signs off on the decree. Studies show that when men do ask for 50/50 custody, they usually get it. So this whole notion of men getting screwed out of having custody of their kids isn’t reality. Yes, I’m sure everyone has a cousin or brother-in-law who’s wife raked him over the coals. But as a larger societal trend it isn’t true. Also…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 01:39 PM
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This is what the guys on here can’t seem to grasp about female sexuality. We need to feel like you genuinely desire us / are attracted to us in order to reciprocate desire. It’s not like that for men. Sure, they would prefer to be desired, but if a guy can somehow convince a gorgeous woman way out of his league to sleep with him, it’s still a “win” for him…even if she really wasn’t all that into him / attracted to him. Whereas if a man said (or implied through his body language / behavior ) that…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 10:58 PM
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Jessica Lange spoke about this at length while filming the "witch" season of American Horror Story, claiming that she related well to the character on the precipice of old age no longer commanding the attention of men. I wonder if this is something that is specific to older women who were beautiful in their youth (like Jessica Lange.) As an average looking 40 year old, I haven’t noticed a big dip in male attention, because I never got a whole lot of male attention even in my youth. Like maybe it…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 09:55 PM
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Mila Kunis is average looking? 😳
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 03:10 PM
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If I told him my “hole” is more or less the same after giving birth to an 11 lbs baby…his head would explode.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 04:31 AM
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Agreed. In my 40 years of living and all the women I’ve been friends with, I’ve never known anyone to have this mentality.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:57 AM
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Ahh ok my bad I missed the “moderately attracted” part. I was like damn, that’s cold.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:19 AM
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Even in your case? You’d trade in your own wife for the chance to bang an endless string of hotties, despite the love (I’m assuming) you have for her and all your history together?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/22 01:14 AM
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I agree there are benefits to monogamy, most importantly a stable environment for raising children. I think it just needs to be a free choice, not coerced by giving women little to no other means of survival. Now (in western countries at least) marriage / monogamy is a choice. And a lot of people still choose it, myself included. But some people pursue a poly lifestyle and some people choose to remain single, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 04:16 PM
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If men refused to fuck “loser” or “weak” females, they would naturally be culled from then gene pool. But by and large, men are not so discerning as women. It’s not like anyone is forcing them though. 🤷🏻‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 04:10 PM
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I don’t think it’s about “should.” OP is saying that less men would have been chosen by women in the past, had there not been social structures enforced that limited women’s ability to chose. She’s not saying the government should come in and decide who gets to reproduce and who doesn’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 02:44 PM
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Right, but you’re an outlier. Don’t even the lowest paid physicians still make like 200k minimum? For most guys, either their wife will need to work or they will have to live a significantly downscaled / budgeted lifestyle to make the SAHM thing work. So it’s weird that so many guys on here say that a woman’s earning potential is irrelevant. When the average dude makes like 50k a year or something - it’s going to matter in the majority of households.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 01:30 PM
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Wait, I'm confused. What is the implied expectation after having sex for the first time in a serious and/or casual dating context (not ONS/FWB)? More dates? A relationship? In a dating context, if things have been going well otherwise and the first sexual experience was enjoyable by both parties, I’d say it’s a reasonable expectation the relationship will continue. Whether that means exclusivity or not will vary from couple to couple and what they mutually agree to. Of course either party can ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 12:48 AM
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So.. if both man and woman go into it as "lets take things a step at a time and if we dig each other we'll commit" then I don't think anyone can get mad that it didn't work and the couple went their separate ways. I’d agree. But if someone places the condition of commitment as a requirement to sex, then that is what the authors refer to as a woman valuing her sex more than the man's and wanting something to make up the difference, super gender roles and red pill. Ok. But so what? Is the implicat…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/22 12:40 AM
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I think the difference is, there is no implied expectation that a first date will lead to a second date. People have first dates that go nowhere all the time - the whole point of the early dating is to figure out if you like each other and have chemistry, etc. Similarly, I don’t think it’s reasonable to assume a one night stand or FWB will lead to a serious relationship. Sometimes it does and that’s great - but a reasonable person wouldn’t expect that. Most of the women on here are just saying -…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 06:17 PM
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Don’t you guys see how deeply misandrist this type of thinking is? You’re essentially arguing that men are incapable of being good for goodness sake. That they have no steadfast values system - everything they do/think is malleable in order to maximize the chances of getting pussy. Don’t men have agency? Frontal lobes? Consciences? I think they do…. 🤷🏻‍♀️ I see this line of thinking ALL THE TIME ON HERE and it drives me bonkers. -Deadbeat dads / abusive men? Women shouldn’t be rewarding shitty m…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 01:48 PM
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When I hear words liked "independent" and "strong", if that described a wife, I'd think "this woman is probably a pain to deal with and could likely want to get divorced if she doesn't get her way". When dealing with my wife, I don't want her to be independent and strong because it makes her a pain to deal with and she'd likely try to force her opinions over mine. I think this begs the question - when you hear “strong” and “independent” as personality characteristics of a woman, why does that au…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 01:40 AM
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Well, I don’t think they actually convince anyone, but they certainly try to. All the talk about “the wall” and lonely cat ladies etc. You need to find a good man to settle down with in your early 20s because by the time you’re in your late 20s, it’s too late. And high value men don’t care about your degrees or your silly careers so it’s a waste of time. Etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 06:27 PM
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Not only this, but also: if men want their daughters to be strong and independent because they can’t trust / rely on a man, why are they always trying to convince women in the dating pool to put all their eggs in one basket? Why all the complaining about how women prioritize their education / career when they should be thinking about finding a husband before 25 and having babies? A guy might trust himself to be a loving, supportive, devoted husband and father - but can’t you understand why a wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 06:02 PM
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Exactly. Guys on here are trying to convince women that being a submissive, agreeable, dutiful SAHM who gets married at 22 and starts popping out babies is not just good for the husband, it’s the best chance of happiness for the wife too. So why don’t they want their daughters living like this, if it’s such a good deal for women? 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 05:27 PM
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He said treat women how you want your daughter to be treated. Meaning, treat your wife the same way you would hope your own daughter’s future husband would treat her. Not treat your own daughter the same way you’d treat your wife - obviously that would be icky.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/22 04:57 PM
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Interesting. I don’t see anything inherently wrong with not wanting a monogamous LTR, BTW - I just wish more guys were honest about the fact that this isn’t what they really want. Even if it means they forgo some sex they could have otherwise had by pretending to want a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 08:11 PM
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If these incel type guys were beaten up by male peers and laughed at by female peers - why do they only seem to loathe women? Why isn’t their vitriol equally directed at both sexes?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 08:05 PM
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Now I think part of the issue is that the benefits of having a stable partner only really manifest more in down times than in good times. In good times where you are healthy, employed etc. having tons of casual sex seems great because you don’t need anyone. But if you get very sick, disabled or lose your job and can’t find another, having a partner is a huge edge. See, this is so strange to me as a woman. If a genie appeared before me and said you can pick one of two options: 1) An unending stri…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 07:09 PM
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I think there’s an element of truth to this. I realize a guy like Chris Hemsworth is extremely good looking, but I don’t really obsess about it because there is 0% chance I could get with him. Not just because he’s a celebrity - even if there was a guy who looks like Chris Hemsworth at my office or something, I wouldn’t even really be able to fantasize about him because there is just no chance he’d be into me. My brain just wouldn’t go there. I think I big difference between male and female sexu…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 04:32 PM
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This has always been so strange to me. That long term relationships / marriage / children are a “price” that all but the hottest guys have to pay in order to get sex on tap. A woman can truly love a guy, be faithful to him, and give him beautiful children. And he secretly would trade it all to bang a different 20 year old every night if given the chance?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 03:40 PM
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I’ve noticed this as well. I’ve also noticed a lot of guys on here seem to think that women have a larger moral responsibility to positively shape society at large by rewarding “good” male behavior with sex. And similarly that women are directly responsible for “bad” male behavior, because “bad” men get sex. Stuff like: “There are so many deadbeat dads because women choose shitty men / don’t vet better.”(Focus on the woman being at fault for having bad judgement, but minimizing the fault of the …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 06:18 PM
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I don’t think it’s unattractive at all. It sounds like what I’ve heard referred to as “golden retriever energy” and it’s pretty endearing TBH.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/22 05:35 PM
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My daughter is just a little girl now, but when she’s a teenager, I plan to be very open and honest with her about experiences I had in my youth. Good and bad. I’ll give her my feelings and perspective about what I regret and why, and she can make her own decisions. I’ll love and support her no matter what. I do think a certain amount of experimentation and poor decisions are to be expected in the teen / college years. I’m going to do my best to be the type of parent both my kids know they can c…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 08:27 PM
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It really isn’t that. A lot of us have said that we don’t see any issues with a man in his 40s dating a mid-20s woman, if that’s what both parties want. It’s specifically teenagers and very early 20s that is problematic. If it was pure jealousy, women would be up and arms about guys dating women with any significant age gap. It’s not the gap itself that’s the issue - it’s the vulnerable age of the younger party. Nobody cares if a 45 year old dates a 30 year old. I personally don’t care if a 45 y…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/22 02:33 AM
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I didn’t say ppl under 25 weren’t fit to choose a partner or make any sort of life decisions. Just that there is a power imbalance between someone with a fully mature brain and a decade or more of life experience and someone who’s brain is still maturing. People in 18 to early 20s tend to make rash choices regarding marriage - even when they choose similarly aged partners - as seen by the divorce rates for people who marry young. I would argue that a lot of the things that are currently legal at…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 10:14 PM
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A young person in their late teens / early 20s has drastically less life experience in general. They likely still rely on their parents for financial support. Plus, a person’s brain isn’t fully developed until 25-ish. They are likely to make more impulsive decisions without considering the long term consequences. All these things make them more susceptible to abuse or manipulation by a significantly older romantic partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 09:56 PM
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I can’t speak for all women, but I don’t see anything wrong with a mid-20s woman dating someone in his 30s, 40s, or whatever. It’s specifically the 18 to early 20s demographic that is problematic because of the power imbalance.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/22 09:00 PM
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If a man has an unending supply of women willing to have ONS with him so that his libido is constantly satisfied, and he never wants to have sex with the same woman twice, and he personally doesn’t find it satisfying or arousing to see a woman climax…then I guess there is no personal benefit for this very specific type of man. But I don’t think many men will meet all these criteria. If you do, congrats! But as men on here have pointed out frequently, it’s much easier for the majority of men to g…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 08:03 PM
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Sure. Just like a man can say blow me until I come in your mouth before we move in to PIV a little while afterwards. He can propose whatever he wants, sure. But I’m not sure he’s going to have much success with this proposition (at least not in the context of a casual hookup.) If a woman says, help me get off first and then we can do PIV, the implication is that he will then get off from PIV (because men almost always do.) Whereas a large percentage of women can’t get off from PIV regularly. But…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 07:31 PM
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Ok, good talk! Best of luck out there I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 04:12 PM
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Society doesn't condemn paternity fraud either. It's not even illegal. Guys are often shamed for not "stepping up" and raising another man's kid. It is most definitely shamed. I don’t know a single woman who thinks it’s morally okay for a woman to trick a man to raise a child that isn’t his. I’m not saying it never happens, but the vast majority of women agree this is unethical. I commented in a recent thread that I have no objection to mandatory paternity testing at birth. If "adoring" women wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 04:00 PM
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It's not like he's going to get pregnant and trick the wife into raising someone else's kid. The difference is, society has never condoned paternity fraud. Back in the good ol’ days, society most definitely tolerated men’s philandering. The wife’s priest and even her own family would tell her to give her suffering to Jesus and do what’s best for the family. She was never told her own happiness mattered. Also, isn't it usually the woman declining the husband's advances after marriage because she'…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 03:17 PM
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Well…it was shameful for a woman maybe. Men were allowed / expected to “sow their wild oats” before marriage. And after marriage, the wife was expected to turn a blind eye to any extramarital affairs as long as he continued to provide for the family. So yeah, women didn’t like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 02:52 PM
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So if a woman refuses to allow PIV until she gets off, that would be taking responsibility for her orgasm, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 02:34 PM
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I wear makeup rarely / minimally. Most days I have none on at all. Occasionally (once or twice a month?) I’ll put on a little lipstick, blush, and concealer in places that need it. Even more rarely (a couple times a year) I’ll put on eye makeup such as eyeshadow, eyeliner, and false lashes. Like if I’m going to a wedding reception or a fancy restaurant or something. False lashes have a HUGE impact TBH and I love the way they look, but it’s time consuming. I rarely style my hair. I don’t really k…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 01:21 PM
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It only holds importance if one attaches importance to it. I have no feelings of nostalgia or special attachment to the man I lost my virginity with. Most people’s first time having sex (first few times, really) is awkward and a bit fumbling. You build it up in your head beforehand to be this mind blowing experience and usually…it’s not.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 03:05 AM
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Yes it is. Just wanted to make sure you understood that virginity wasn’t medically or physically determinable.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 02:56 AM
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Both deserve validation. A man deserves the validation of taking his girlfriend's virginity, a woman deserves the validation of being proposed to. Nobody “deserves” either of these things. You seem strangely obsessed with virginity. You know it’s a social construct, right? And an adult virgin woman still may have little to no hymen left?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/08/22 01:59 AM
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It’s not disrespectful to a man that a woman has agency. I can see that it feels that way to you, but it’s simply not. But yeah, good luck out there…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 10:19 PM
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Is her body something you’re entitled to? If not, why would you feel disrespected if she doesn’t give it to you? You’re free to not pursue the relationship any further, right? You can have any boundaries you like - must have sex by X date, must not have body count higher than Y, etc. Not every woman who is interested in you will be able and/or willing to meet those standards. Either party can opt out at any time. Where is the disrespect exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 10:11 PM
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Sure. But how is that disrespecting you? She made certain decisions regarding her body at one point in her life. She now makes different decisions. You are not obligated to date her if you disagree with her life choices. But they have nothing to do with being disrespectful to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 10:01 PM
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Perhaps if both of these interactions are happening at the same time. But if she last had casual sex 4 years ago? Are people not supposed to grow / change?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 09:55 PM
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How is it a double standard though? A double standard would be: it’s okay for men to have lots of sex partners, but not okay for women. An individual who learns from past decisions / interactions and adjusts their behavior accordingly has nothing to do with a double standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 09:51 PM
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Right, but do you consider it disrespectful if a man doesn’t shower every woman he’s ever dated with the exact amount of attention, money, commitment etc? Let’s say you met a girl when you were 18, fell quickly in love, and got engaged after 2 months. Married by 6 months. Not surprisingly, the marriage ends in a messy divorce. Now you’re 25 and meet a woman you really like. From what you’ve seen so far, she’s everything you’re looking for in a future wife / mother of your children. However, your…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 09:40 PM
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….and??? Is a man obligated to treat every woman he dates exactly the same? Spend the exact same amount of money on her at exactly the same time? Introduce her to his parents at the exact same time? Of course not. Relationships progress as they progress. There are a million variables as to why, including the personalities of the two people involved, their life experiences, etc. Some relationship start out hot and heavy and fizzle quickly. Some relationships start out slower but bloom into someth…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 09:19 PM
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How is it disrespectful to him? It very likely has nothing to do with him. If she’s learned that casual sex is not enjoyable for her and/or makes her feel bad afterwards, her decision to take things slower is about protecting herself. It’s not a punishment to him, it’s about her.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 09:05 PM
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This is honestly so bizarre to me. Guys on here who can’t handle the thought that their GF / wife might have “desired” another guy more than them. I’m 100% sure my husband has found other women more attractive / desirable because there are a shit ton of women more attractive than me. Including some of the women he’s slept with. So what? He loves me and finds me attractive too. So who cares. Why torture yourself about this shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 08:59 PM
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I feel like this doesn’t happen often in reality, as much as men on here are obsessed with the idea. Women who frequently have sex quickly / hookup casually are also likely to hook up quickly with someone they genuinely like. And women who generally take things slow will still most likely want to take things slow, even if she genuinely likes you. Exceptions exist, yes. But this whole narrative that the majority of women bang hot guys they just met in the alley behind the bar, but then make the g…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 08:49 PM
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And of course the tales of “alphas” are peak apex and observer fallacies, considering a lot of the manwhores you guys aspire to get shut down a lot and only get laid a lot because they’re not fazed by failure. Your “alpha” one night was probably a beta the weekend before. I think this needs to be emphasized more. The guys who have the most success also strike out A LOT. It reminds me of that episode of King and the Hill when they finally figure out how Boomhauer gets so many women. He hits on ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 08:35 PM
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I think so. I remember thinking he had nice eyes and a kind smile. I tend not to be strongly physically attracted to a guy until I know him and decide I like his personality. Unless he’s super obviously Henry Cavill handsome or something (which I would never in a million years get.)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 03:41 PM
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Errr…I’m not sure exactly. It was St. Patrick’s Day and I had had some drinks. Maybe 10 min or less?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 03:33 PM
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This is how I met my husband. I was outside of a bar waiting for my ride to pick me up. He was outside smoking. Started talking to me. After chatting for a few minutes he asked for my number.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 03:26 PM
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I was never one to go to clubs - not even in my youth - but when I meet up with friends (a few times a year) we generally go to a restaurant and/or a bar or two. Maybe a brewery. We go to have good food and some craft cocktails / beer. The idea of going out to get male attention has never been on my radar. It might happen occasionally that someone starts chatting us up. Then again, I’m rather average looking and not the type to get regular male attention. So it’s never really been on my radar.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 03:23 PM
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Viggo Mortensen in LOTR. Mr. Darcy in Pride and Prejudice. Col. Brandon in Sense and Sensibility. Pedro Pascal in GOT. Aidan Turner in Poldark. Travis Fimmel in Vikings. Tom Hiddleston in anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 03:31 AM
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Right?? She also looks like she’s not wearing any makeup, and she still looks cute. I bet with some eye makeup and lipstick she’d be striking.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 03:22 AM
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Your 3 looks above average pretty to me..?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/22 02:09 AM
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I’m sorry that was your experience. I was laid off from my job earlier this summer, but prior to that, I worked full-time (as I have done my entire adulthood.) I worked hard to find a career path that would allow me flexible working hours (which eventually turned into full-time remote work.) This allowed me to support our household while also being able to take time off for my kids’ medical appointments and extra curriculars as needed. It allowed me to cook them a hot breakfast and drop them off…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 11:44 PM
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I agree. Paternity test all the babies at birth if it will help guys get over this fear. Zero fucks given.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 08:41 PM
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Both situations are far more about the exploitation of ambiguity and simply not dispelling the illusions of the other side than they are about directly deception. Don’t you have to pay upfront to subscribe to OnlyFans? What’s ambiguous about that? Maybe I don’t understand how it works, I’ve never been to the website. Is your position that a man is required to reveal his hand by basically telling a woman ''I'm just looking to fuck you, there's no chance I will consider you for a relationship''? N…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 08:32 PM
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Totally reasonable! For all the guys on here terrified of “divorce rape” you’d think more of them would be looking for partners with similar earning potential.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 08:03 PM
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I guess I disagree that the two examples are exact equivalents. I think a man can who is straightforward / truthful toward a woman he is willing to have a ONS or FWB situation (but not a committed relationship) with is the moral equivalent to a woman who has an OnlyFans account. With both the upfront guy and the OnlyFans creator, it’s clear their are no emotional ties on their end. If the woman is still willing to have sex with the man, and the guy is willing to subscribe to the OnlyFans account…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 07:59 PM
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Those are not analagous examples. The analogy of the man who misleads a woman about his intentions towards her once he gets sex is the woman who misleads a man about his chances with her in order to extract value in the meantime. I agree they are not actually analogous. But I see guys on here claiming they are justified in deliberately pumping and dumping women because they can’t get sex / relationships from women they are actually attracted to / interested in. Or, they argue that it’s morally j…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 07:29 PM
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The difference is, women expect fairness / honesty in the context of being in relationship with someone. i.e., a guy shouldn’t lie and tell a women wants a LTR with her just to get sex, etc. We women (accurately) describe that sort of intentional manipulation as immoral behavior. Men (at least a significant portion of male posters on here) seem to expect fairness from women prior to any relationship being established. They say it’s not “fair” that women have such high standards and they can’t ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 06:43 PM
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There’s a difference between wanting a free ride and wanting a partner who makes a meaningful financial contribution. Not to mention it’s just practically important in many cases. If a guy is making less than 100k (or maybe high five figures in lower cost of living places) and he desires children, he’s probably going to need a wife who makes decent money. 🤷🏻‍♀️
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 04:57 PM
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Ok, maybe I misread. So if you’re looking for a relationship, and having casual sex in the past is a dealbreaker for you….why not vet for that? Do you ask? If you ask upfront and the woman lies to you, and you find out later she lied about her sexual history, then I don’t see an issue with dumping her. But how is she supposed to know it’s a dealbreaker for a relationship with you unless you tell her that? It’s not a dealbreaker for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 12:57 AM
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But that’s not what you said. Previous poster said if you are looking for casual sex, just be upfront with women about it. And you said no, you were going to deliberately mislead women into thinking you wanted a relationship and then pump and dump.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 12:50 AM
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Then it would be total karmic justice if you ended up married to a woman who lied to you about her sexual history.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/22 12:35 AM
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*OP’s advice for men was that they should be more like women who cope better being single But that’s biologically impossible, men and women have different needs.* I’ll agree that men typically have a higher sex drive than women, but I disagree that men crave companionship more than women. It’s just that women are typically better at getting their need for companionship filled by other sorts of platonic relationships if they can’t find a romantic relationship. This is one way that men can / shoul…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 06:22 PM
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But why should it be a problem for women? If women are largely able to cope better being single / sexless if they can’t find a partner who meets their standards?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 05:56 PM
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This can be seen in the “prison effect” whereby men are so deprived of sex their desperation drives them to fuck each other or ugly women. So going by this logic, the only way to get average women to be attracted to their “looks match” is to greatly reduce the supply of men willing to have sex with them, right? So your beef should be with Chad who can (and does) get Stacys with a little bit of effort, but also goes for easy pickings with Beckys. As well as average looking guys who are willing to…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 05:34 PM
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It doesn’t benefit them. And I wasn’t suggesting this in earnest. Previous poster was sayingn women needed to take one for the team for the good of humanity. I was trying to flip that narrative as why can’t unsuccessful men be the selfless ones?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/22 09:31 PM
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100% this!!! My husband and I have two children. I would have loved to have a third, it just wasn’t financially feasible. While there are women and men who chose not to have children, there are many more who would have children (or have more children) if the economic and/or environmental realities were different.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/22 08:11 PM
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Ok, here’s an alternate solution that doesn’t involve subjugating half the population. If the problem is that all women want Chad / most men aren’t attractive to women, then all the men who are struggling with getting sex should just selflessly / gracefully bow out of the dating market. Without threatening to disrupt society via violence or refusal to work, etc. Women can just have Chad’s babies, and because of his superior genetics, there will be less and less unattractive people being born. In…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/22 07:30 PM
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She said “lose all their rights so they are dependent on men again.” How is that a moderate concession?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/22 07:09 PM
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I can’t open the second article you linked, but the first and third article indicate that a protein found in seminal fluid may affect / induce ovulation in human females. And one small study indicates the presence of semen may be correlated to lower incidences of depression in women. But as far as actual major changes in female behavior - those studies were in fruit flies. There’s nothing to indicate that women’s behavior is controlled by remnants of semen from past sexual partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 06:14 PM
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Since it is a fact that sperm controls the woman's behavior should she ingest it vaginally or orally, she will most likely carry the characteristics of all the men she had slept with. The article you linked is about fruit flies. 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 05:29 PM
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No - you’re supposed to seek out partners that have similar values to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/22 09:22 PM
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This is interesting….are American men going after Swedish women? Swedish women certainly have the reputation of being beautiful, but don’t they (Swedish citizens) have a lot of opportunities and privileges that we Americans lack? Don’t the Nordic countries report the highest levels of happiness? I can’t imagine Swedish women being tempted with American citizenship…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/22 03:36 AM
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I’m a woman. And I get what you are saying about men’s simplicity - I’m just saying a lot of men seem to think it’s a flex (see, we’re not picky! It’s women who have insane standards!) when women don’t see it that way. Women want to be valued / seen as a three-dimensional person, not just for what tasks we can perform to make your life more comfortable. Just an observation.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/22 11:23 PM
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The thing is, men say stuff like this as evidence that they aren’t overly picky. But women see it as evidence that we are largely interchangeable to you. You want us to be nice, attractive, have sex with you, and take care of you / domestic tasks. That’s not really a well-rounded personality. On threads on this sub where people list their ideal qualities in a partner, its baffling to me how few men list qualities like desiring intelligence or sense of humor in a woman. You always see nice, submi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/22 11:06 PM
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Given your condition - why do want a to be in a LTR, anyway? Is it just for easily accessible / consistent sex or…? Long term monogamous relationships are hard. I can’t imagine it would be worth it without being able to feel genuine love for your partner - and it sounds like you aren’t able to feel this. I don’t mean any of this as an insult, BTW. It’s sort of fascinating to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 02:06 AM
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Piggybacking on this - look up Jeneva Rose on TikTok. She makes her husband watch the Twilight movies and Shades of Grey movies. His reaction videos are HILARIOUS. They seem to have so much fun together and look like 100% couple goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 01:48 PM
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Well, I shouldn’t have said never. Who knows what the world will be like in 200 years. It won’t happen in our lifetime. Western women (and the bulk of western men) wouldn’t stand for it. Guys like you are a vocal minority. Even the the average MAGA good ol’ boy here in the US wouldn’t want his daughter to be sold like chattel.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 12:28 AM
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*It essentially seems like a zero sum game and we would just end up shifting some happiness from women's lives into men's lives. Just like how power is a zero sum game. Yeah, women will have less choices, but more men will be chosen.* This is morally abhorrent. Also, it will never happen here. Why don’t you go to India or China or whatever and try to get arranged marriage, if that’s your ideal?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 12:16 AM
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I was just thinking this sounds like the D.E.N.N.I.S system! Beat me to it! 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 05:17 PM
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One thing I’ve noticed from this sub is that while many of the guys posting on here have misogynistic views about women, they also simultaneously seem to expect women to behave in a way that is more moral / selfless for the benefit of society than they expect men to do. This thread is a prime example. OP completely dismisses the responsibility of the men who abandon their children - (they are degenerate, abusive assholes, what do you expect? The women should have chosen better!) While also expec…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 04:14 PM
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Not really. He’s just described himself as a Chad, looks-wise. According to guys on this sub, all women chase Chad. And they will excuse all sorts of bad behavior for a chance to be in his harem. So if he’s telling the truth about his looks, there must be something else off-putting about him, if 95% of women don’t want him. And if that’s true - than personally does matter to women and Chad can’t get away with murder, as is so often argued here.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/22 02:48 AM
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TIL Jason Momoa struggles to get attractive women, and Eva Mendes is “mid.”
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/22 03:16 PM
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It’s not exactly news, no. But it’s disheartening to hear. That a woman can genuinely love her husband and be a good wife, give him beautiful children and a life of happy memories…and he’d still swap places with Leonardo DiCaprio if he had the chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 02:30 PM
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No see you don’t get to dictate what does and doesn’t happen. I’m not suggesting this behavior should be illegal or anything. I’m just calling it out be as the misogynistic revenge fantasy it is. It goes beyond simple rejection. Not only did she reject you at her prime - she also went and gave her body to multiple other people during her fun phase and now wants to settle down with you the provider while you got maybe 1/20th the attention on a good day. So what? It’s not like she can force you to…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 01:20 PM
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You don't understand maybe because no man had turned you down for a relationship and went with a more prettier girl only to come back years later after he screwed up some how and tries to suddenly express interest in you. I’ve been cheated on (multiple times) and gaslighted about it. I still don’t think it’s fair to exact my revenge on other men who haven’t wronged me. I've had a good amount of women who have done that to me, show no interest while they hook up with the "bad boy" sorta speak, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 03:26 AM
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And while you’re at it, quit acting like there aren’t normal men in normal LTR who are both stable and exciting/sexy. This is what I was saying the other day. You can be a good husband and still be spontaneous, fun, and a demon in the sack. Exactly! It’s like the men in this subreddit are only able to see black and white. Either you’re the hottest guy she ever fucked, or she hates your guts and has to close her eyes and think of your 401k balance during sex. There’s no in between. They’ll never …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 02:47 AM
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Woah. This is….some dark shit. I love me a well-earned revenge plot, but this isn’t justified. You’re saying because some women didn’t give you the time of day when you were younger - completely different women deserve your deliberate cruelty? This makes no sense for two reasons: 1.) They aren’t the same women who ignored or rejected you in your youth. 2.) Even if they were the exact same women, the justified response to their rejection a decade ago or whatever would be for you to get the chance…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/22 02:29 AM
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This is true. A bigger woman who is well-proportioned and maintains a more or less hourglass or pear-shaped figure (think Ashley Graham) = a guy who has muscles but a pretty decent layer of fat on top / beer gut. Both of these types will be able to attract attention from the opposite sex. They won’t be everyone’s cup of tea and that’s fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 09:57 PM
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But this is textbook abusive behavior. It almost always starts with little things / “requests” from the abuser that seem minor in nature. And as time goes on and you are more invested in the relationship (emotionally, financially, etc.) the abuser’s demands grow, as do the consequences for not accommodating his/her demands. Ever heard of the frog in boiling water analogy? IMO the litmus test for whether or not the behavior is controlling is not whether the other partner agrees / consents to it. …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/22 02:59 PM
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So if a woman loved her boyfriend / husband and was overall happy in the relationship, but she cheated with a man she had no feelings for (let’s say she’s on a beach vacation with her girlfriends and there’s a lot of drinking and she has a one night stand and will never see the side again) and she uses protection / doesn’t get pregnant…in your view would that me the same, morally / ethically speaking, as a typical guy cheating?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 09:52 PM
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Ok, so why do you think infidelity on a woman’s part is inherently worse?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 09:28 PM
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You didn’t argue that what he did was okay per se, but you argued that what she did was worse than what he did. Hence he didn’t “deserve” what she did. Tell me, if the genders were reversed, would you still feel the same way? Let’s say you had a girlfriend you loved and were faithful to…and then you found out she’d been fucking MULTIPLE dudes behind your back and playing you for an idiot. So you break up, but you’re completely heartbroken and angry and you feel like a fool…and you run into one o…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 09:17 PM
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How is she a cheater? The post says she had sex with the dude’s friend AFTER they were broken up (due to finding out about the BF’s multiple infidelities.) It’s not like she agreed to forgive him / stay together, and then still went out and had sex with his friend as revenge. I agree that would be messed up. But that’s not what happened. They were broken up. Why does she owe him anything? Even if it was revenge…why does she owe him any goodwill / consideration of his feelings after what he did? …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/22 08:50 PM
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Look for social events / gatherings that require people to interact. Like does your local pub have a weekly trivia night or board game night? Maybe look online for local hiking groups? Also try volunteering at a dog shelter - this will probably have mostly women volunteers. Basically, look for social gatherings that by their very nature will require you to talk / get to know the other people in a coed setting. Also, don’t expect instant results. Even if you do these things you may not find a gir…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 02:52 PM
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Wow. These are like supermodel level attractive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/22 01:06 PM
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It seem like guys on here don’t so much fear being a beta bux per se - it’s being a beta bux to a woman who dared to have a past / sexual history. If they can gain wealth / status to attract a 20 year old woman who’s a virgin (or has had at most 1-2 sexual partners) they say they are happy to wife her up. But they realize they need to gain wealth / status to attract her, so it’s not simply raw sexual attraction on her part. So from what I can gather beta bux for chaste woman is okay because….rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 09:22 PM
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“We may come off as being empathetic to other's plight but when it comes to something as carnal as sex, then it's each for themselves. Women have operated in this manner in their sexual selection, men does the same by regulating their actions.” I’ve seen comments like this before but they never fail to amaze me. Y’all think that women not wanting to have sex/relationships with you is the moral equivalent of men taking away women’s autonomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/22 07:58 PM
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I thought a main tenet of this fairy tale was that the woman actually wants a relationship with the “alpha” but he of course has a ton of better options and won’t commit to her. So she begrudgingly settles down with the “beta” but always resents him / thinks she deserves better.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/22 01:50 AM
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The median salary for a man in the USA is like 55k or something. You can’t comfortably support a wife and a couple kids on that in many places. Mayyybe you could make it work in the most LCOL areas.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/22 05:27 PM
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TBH I actually appreciate OP saying what he actually thinks / wants instead of mincing words. So many guys on this sub say things like “if women keep refusing to pair up with men, disenfranchised / sexless men will rise up and things will get ugly.” They claim that’s not what they want / not what they are advocating, but you can sense a sort of….glee. I appreciate when they say the quiet part out loud. Let’s us know what we are up against. And the silence of so-called good men when this shit get…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 06:52 PM
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“So from the male perspective i think that even accepting some things that also hinder our freedom in exchange of also hindering women freedom equally is a positive trade for the SMP in favour of men.” In what way would men’s freedoms be hindered as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 05:24 PM
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“It would be literally the same thing the very feminists did, men basically shrugged their shoulders and allowed women to have it, so they did.” Well….not exactly the same, because women gaining the ability to open a bank account solely in their name and have equal opportunity in higher education / employment wasn’t men losing their rights. It was men losing some of their privilege. But I get your point. TBH I think this is happening right now with Roe V. Wade being overturned. Next it will be b…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 04:44 PM
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“And a fairly easy way to get this kind of pressure back on is simply reverting the changes previously made which happen to be womans rights.” You think this would be “fairly easy?” Like women will just shrug their shoulders and not fight back?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/22 04:19 PM
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Fit or built fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/22 01:02 AM
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Well….kind of hard to use an example of someone who’s not famous (and therefore probably rich) because no one would know who you were talking about. So here’s another famous person example: Jack Black. He’s short and not in shape, but his personality / charisma / sense of humor made him attractive to women. Back in his heyday in the early to mid 2000s I remember lots of girls crushing on him. It’s not that women don’t prefer tall, muscular (but not too muscular) and handsome men. We do. But but …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/22 01:09 PM
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I’m 40, and I would say I’m most attracted to men 35ish - late 40s with occasional outliers. I can see a guy under 30 and think wow he’s handsome - but they sort of seem like a kid to me now and I don’t envision anything physical with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/22 11:49 PM
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“Anyone who looks at MensLib and thinks what they are doing is healthy needs to have their heads looked at. I'm actually serious, that place is one of the most screwed up subbreddits on this site when you look at the mental state of the people who post there.” Why do you say that? Like what specifically are you referring to? “Most men would be happier if the money was spent on giving them a prostitute voucher every once in a while.” IDK where you’re from, but I would be okay with this in the US …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 11:53 PM
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I think additional resources and support for struggling men is a good idea - but I don’t think subsidized plastic surgery and/or free pick up artist classes are the way to go about it. But I can get behind allocating additional resources to fund men’s mental health / wellness, to address the growing discrepancy in college admissions, etc. I think the focus should be men gaining confidence, life skills, and the ability to express emotions in a healthy way. The r/MensLib subreddit is a good resour…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 11:23 PM
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Exactly this. Most modern women desire egalitarian partnerships. But a lot of men don’t want this and aren’t willing to change. Which is fine, but they may struggle to find meaningful relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 07:54 PM
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“And if the advice of 'pull yourself up by the bootstraps' is absurd for a poor person is it not equally as absurd for an ugly and short man? I think many people reject this comparison not because it isn't accurate, but because they recognize that if the knee jerk solution in virtually every other aspect of life is to enforce equality through the state, why is this one, and only one, area of life of limits?” Because it’s not an apt comparison. It’s “off limits” to enforce equal access to women b…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 06:07 PM
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But why should the husband have final say on all types of decisions? What my husband and I do (and what makes more sense, IMO) is we defer to the other person if it’s an issue on which they have more knowledge / experience. I work in the mortgage industry so I’m the one who has more input about when it’s a good time to refi (not right now lol!) and what loan terms to accept. I also do all the bill paying / budgeting so I generally have final say if we can afford a particular expenditure at a giv…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/22 04:46 PM
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Bad analogy. Things like food, shelter, clean water etc. are resources needed for survival. WOMEN ARE NOT A RESOURCE TO BE CONSUMED. And both men and women in the first world have sexual freedom. You’re free to seek out sex / relationships you desire. I’m free to do the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 07:47 PM
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It’s not oppression. There is no law or policy preventing you from finding a partner. You have to find someone willing to have sex with you, because women are not chattel. As to the shallow part, that’s arguable, but ultimately irrelevant. A woman (or man) can choose not to pursue sex / relationship with any given person for any reason or no reason at all. There should be no expectation of fairness when it comes to mate selection.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 07:18 PM
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Men not getting dates or sex is not “oppression.” You’re really arguing that some men not getting sex is the moral equivalent to women having to live under Taliban rule? That both of these situations are equally unfair or oppressive? When we say that (some) men don’t see us as fully formed autonomous people - this is what we mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/22 02:32 PM
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Don’t studies show that single women live longer and are happier? I’m not suggesting that there are no single women 30+ that are unhappy or wish to be paired up. Of course there are. But from my observation women (in general) are better at finding happiness / fulfillment in a variety of ways. Close friendships with other women, pets, travel, hobbies, etc. Women who wanted to be mothers but didn’t get the opportunity tend to develop close relationships with their nieces and nephews, etc. Millenni…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 07:56 PM
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Really? Almost every post in this sub is men complaining about women’s “unreasonable” dating standards. I very rarely see posts from women as you’ve described. I see a lot of men threaten women with the the whole childless cat lady revenge fantasy, to which women usually respond….ok. Doesn’t sound too bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/22 06:12 PM
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What happened when your ex-wife came back into the picture? Was she immediately given 50/50 custody or was there a step-up plan or…? If she was immediately awarded joint custody after being mostly AWOL for years, that is total bullshit!
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/22 04:35 AM
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I’m sorry to hear that. I’m married to man who is divorced and has children from his first marriage so I’m not unsympathetic to the struggles of divorced dads. On the flip side of mothers using child custody to try to get the most child support - a lot of dads also try to increase their custody time solely to avoid or reduce child support. I think there are two questions that should be asked when deciding the custody arrangement: 1.) Who has been the primary caretaker during the marriage? 2.) Ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/22 02:19 PM
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Also, only a small percentage of divorces actually go to trial / are decided by a judge. The majority of the time the spouses negotiate the financial / child custody agreements on their own or via attorneys and the judge is just signing off on what they have already agreed on.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/22 01:47 PM
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True. Not to mention women are almost always the one shopping for and buying all the kids / extended family Christmas gifts, birthday gifts, etc. If you look at my debit card transactions compared to my husband’s, it looks like I spend a lot more. But because I’m the household manager (like most wives) I run everything through my own debit / credit cards. We have a joint account that he gets his direct deposit into. I transfer over a portion to my own checking account (I leave the rest in the ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/22 09:08 PM
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Giving the man the option of a “paper abortion” doesn’t make things equal. The woman can decide to get an abortion - a medical procedure that while generally safe / low risk is still an invasive medical procedure. It can be very painful, both physically and emotionally. The woman may have to take time off work and travel several hours away for the procedure. It can involve multiple appointments. She will likely have to miss several days of work. Depending on where she lives it may be costly. If …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 04:51 PM
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I think it’s the wording of the question that is off putting. “What do you bring to the table” very much sounds like a job interview. A man can ask other questions to find out what a woman’s values / priorities are. Such as, what was your upbringing like? How close are you to your family? What did you get your degree in? What do you find challenging / rewarding about your job? Do you want kids someday? Etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 06:58 PM
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