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GeneralPursuitofClass/r/MensRights07/08/21 10:05 PM
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Was kind of my point, I don't think a lot of people realize how many outdated expectations they have of their partner. Which definitely goes both ways. Like you can absolutely want something in a partner, but it's tye same thing as women not shaving. Should you be able to do it? Of course. Is it going to have a negative impact on your dating life? Also of course.
/r/MensRights29/01/23 12:55 AM
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that post gives me the vibe that there's a lot the original OP was leaving unsaid. Specifically around the acre giver aspect, look I agree dating is kind of fucked right now and you need a lot of external value as a guy to get noticed comparatively. But I do find a lot of guys I talk to want more or less a house maid they have sex with. I mean yeah who wouldn't chores absolutely suck, but there are going to be very few women who want that, especially if they're also working. I find a lot of guys…
/r/MensRights28/01/23 03:48 PM
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......the part of their brain responsible for social behavior isn't fully developed, yet you think that means they can make the best decisions for themselves in regards to a relationship. That's i don't have one for them? I said in the beginning man or women ira gross. That goes for them as well, if you could take your hand off the "oh I'm a victim woe is me button" button for 5 minutes you'd maybe improve your reading comprehension. Explain to me what constitutes someone at 18 being an adult, t…
/r/MensRights18/12/22 05:49 PM
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So you just didn't even bother doing a 15 minute google search huh. Your brain doesn't finish developing until mid to late 20s, but specifically the last thing to finish developing is your prefrontal cortex. You know the area of the brain responsible for complex cognitive behavior, decisin making and moderating social behavior. So you can make decisions but it doesn't change the fact some under 25 doesn't have the maturity to make the best decisions for themselves when it comes to social behavio…
/r/MensRights18/12/22 10:47 AM
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Nah I'm sorry but this is a hill I'll die on. It is never okay for someone 30+ to be dating an 18 year old, that predatory af. Man or woman it's messed up. Your brain doesn't finish developing until your 25. Idc if you can legally drink or join the military or w/e you're not fully grown at 25 and not mentally fully developed. It's incredibly messed up for someone who's fully developed ve dating someone who isn't. Is it always going to be predatory? No of course not, but it's definitely going to …
/r/MensRights18/12/22 06:27 AM
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No you just don't have an actual argument, my point in the thought process and application of logic is the same on both scenarios there for both should be illegal. But because you don't actually have a leg to stand on you reduce tourself to insulting me because it's easier and the only thing you have. Your disingenuous and hypocritical, so go drink another beer and kill the few brain cells you have left.
/r/MensRights16/07/22 12:45 AM
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Hahaha so I can be a fresh driver with not history of accidents but because I MIGHT get into and accident I pay a higher premium but it's unreasonable to apply the same logic to women working because thar MIGHT get pregnant is totally different
/r/MensRights16/07/22 12:40 AM
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How is it irrelevant I'm genuinely perplexed how the reasoning process is different in your mind
/r/MensRights16/07/22 12:35 AM
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Alright the let's do cost risk analysis, women shouldn't be hired over men because there is a risk they will take maternity leave costing you time and resources to cover them during their absence.
/r/MensRights16/07/22 12:32 AM
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Do you know why this has always been a bad argument? Because when you start applying that type of reasoning in other places things get real uncomfortable. Like hey in sales of a certain product men are more likely to get the sale then isn't it fair to pay them more than women? Or hey of male ceos tend to have better quarterly results that female one doesn't that justify only ever having male ones? Yeah not a great way to analyze things if you actually care about equality.
/r/MensRights15/07/22 11:31 PM
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The medical decision you are making involves a life long alteration to an individual that can't consent. That is what bodily autonomy is, you are advocating for an action it is on your job to prove the reason this action is necessary. I am advocating for inaction, or for nothing to be done because I believe nothing needs to be done, you are advocating that circumcision is correlated with life outcomes, it's on you to prove that. Edit: also my argument is there is no correlation between circumcis…
/r/MensRights05/07/22 06:52 AM
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Lol your the one advocating for the alteration of an individual without their consent, believe it or not your the one that has to establish precedence. So show me, actual statistics on the wide spread benefit of male circumcision in terms of mortality, lifespan, reproductive success in circumcised individuals. Because if you can't then you don't have a valid argument for why male circumcision is something that should be allowed. I'll wait
/r/MensRights05/07/22 06:43 AM
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100 boys a year die in america from circumcision, that's not deleterious in your opinion? Because the benefit of maybe stopping 1 UTI on average per male is worth it? Setting a precedent for the removal of bodily autonomy is worth it for something that is more often than not a cosmetic surgery? Are you also against abortion and freedom of choice there?
/r/MensRights05/07/22 06:21 AM
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You have no issue saying it's fine to leave it up to the parents when it comes to male circumcision? So why do you refuse to answer a hypothetical situation where the premise is there are no health problems when it comes fo female circumcision?
/r/MensRights05/07/22 06:06 AM
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That's why I posed the hypothetical, no major health concerns, you're okay with female circumcision. It's really not that complicated of a question
/r/MensRights05/07/22 05:58 AM
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So if 100 girls were dieing a year from female circumcision, with numerous others having permanent scaring or other health impacts due to botched circumcision, you would be against it? And if it can't be show to have any "major" health impacts you're okay with female circumcision?
/r/MensRights05/07/22 05:53 AM
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Should parents be allowed to cut of the clit of their daughters then?
/r/MensRights05/07/22 05:50 AM
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Presented large sums of reasons why it's not necessary to permanently alter the physicality of an unwilling individual. "The issue is obviously not clear enough" I'm sorry are you just willfully being belligerent or do you legitimately belive that obscure practically non existent "benefits" are reason enough to cut off a part of a child?
/r/MensRights05/07/22 05:45 AM
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Way to back out of an argument bud
/r/MensRights26/06/22 07:57 PM
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Alright but abortions have been on the decline, which from my understanding you seem to think that good ol back in the day women were being brave and giving birth. Unlike today's youth which are fully submerged in hook up culture and getting abortions left and right because it's so convenient. So you think outlawing abortion is the way to go because we need to reduce the number of "unnecessary abortions", yet they've been steadily declining year by year. Your reasoning given prior is that sex is…
/r/MensRights26/06/22 05:55 PM
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Yeah that's not true at all https://www.guttmacher.org/gpr/2019/09/us-abortion-rate-continues-drop-once-again-state-abortion-restrictions-are-not-main 1980 at 360/1000 with about 1.25 million https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00001243.htm 2018 185/1000 with 610k https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/ss/ss6907a1.htm So yeah birthrate has been declining sure but the birthrate in 1980 was 1.84 and the birthrate in 2018 was 1.73. So not only has the ratio of abortions decreased significantly b…
/r/MensRights26/06/22 05:38 PM
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Thousand years ago? It still happens today, also like I said you're going to completely ignore that actual point I was making there. Like you critique reading comprehension, then have absolutely none yourself lol. Also yeah I see religion as being morally unethical, it's nothing but an outlet and tool to justify the discrimination and oppression of others. I will clarify I do not see spiritualism as being the same as religion. Believing in a higher power is not morally incorrect. But believing i…
/r/MensRights26/06/22 03:55 PM
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As sane as yours have been
/r/MensRights26/06/22 03:40 PM
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Hmmm maybe it's the thousands of years of religion persecuting those different. Maybe it's the repeated use of its doctrines as a justification for laws. Maybe because the only type of people that join religions are gullible ones and those that prey on the weak minded. Also how is it being vindictive? They chose to pur their faith in a high power, there are consequences to that action.
/r/MensRights26/06/22 02:14 PM
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Hmmm maybe it's the thousands of years of religion persecuting those different. Maybe it's the repeated use of its doctrines as a justification for laws. Maybe because the only type of people that join religions are gullible ones and those that prey on the weak minded. Also how is it being vindictive? They chose to pur their faith in a high power, there are consequences to that action.
/r/MensRights26/06/22 02:14 PM
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Except I make a key distinction, being that I have an active and aware consciousness, a 5 week old fetus does not. Funny how you all repeatedly ignore that one particular tid bit. Wonderful then we can also avoid treating religious people as they have chosen to belive in an afterlife, and that God will protect them. So they have no need for modern medicine, and since they've chosen to put their fate in God's hands then who are we to get between them.
/r/MensRights26/06/22 03:36 AM
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You know that abortions were legal and accepted in almost every culture right? Like it was deemed immoral until the 19th century to have an abortion in Christian and catholic society. You're also aware that 1/4 pregnancies result in health complications that are potentially life treating right? So in most cases those abortions are happening for the health of the mother. https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/data_stats/abortion.htm https://abort73.com/abortion_facts/us_abortion_statistics/ Child…
/r/MensRights26/06/22 03:18 AM
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You mean our ancestors who had abortions? Because there's instructions in the Bible om how to give an abortion. Not to mention most of the time the our ancestors just let the kid die. But hey that's just something we like to skip over when discussing these issues. Your assumption that society would shift and we'd all become happy monogamous families like back in the day is utterly ridiculous. You seem to think that everything was just dandy "once upon a time" but you realize that we live in what…
/r/MensRights26/06/22 02:43 AM
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Less likely, but let me throw another premise your way, what happens when you don't allow people to have abortions and give them an ultimatum, of either you give up your life, or you don't have any physical intimacy? Or right they've done studies on this and it results in a huge number of back alley abortions and abandoned babies. Because the loss of a young woman is fine if she decided to seek comfort in this bleak ass world. And I mean the discarded children well, that's just the way it has to…
/r/MensRights26/06/22 02:20 AM
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I keep going back to empathy cause I get the feeling you're not exactly a fan of "facts" or anything I send you, you'll label as being manipulated by the left or some shit. Also I've done this song and dance so many times with people just like you and articles on how abortions reduce deaths. As well as how children raised in poverty and homes where their parents resent them have massive negative psychological impacts on them that make them significantly more prone to mental, physical and substan…
/r/MensRights26/06/22 02:11 AM
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You also keep going back and editing your comments. So that includes when you were 16? Because if you think kids aren't going to be kids then you're definitely deluding yourself. Like you are aware that people have different levels of libido and compulsion control right? You understand that people make mistakes and not giving them a way out of an 18 year commitment, even when they took the proper steps to avoid it. Is most definitely lacking empathy and understanding.
/r/MensRights26/06/22 01:57 AM
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You didn't agree with taxes going up for everyone, you said you'd support tax breaks for those adopting. If you had decent communication skills you'd be able to tell the difference. Lol alright so having sex for anything other than procreation is sinful, sorry morally wrong. Because that distinction here is important. What's morally wrong is denying the reality we live in that people desire intimacy and shaming and punishing them for that. Because you do lack empathy as you can't relate to these…
/r/MensRights26/06/22 01:42 AM
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You didn't agree with taxes going up for everyone, you said you'd support tax breaks from those adopting. If you had decent communication skills you'd be able to tell the difference. Lol alright so having sex for anything other than procreation is sinful, sorry morally wrong. Because that distinction here is important. What's morally wrong is denying the reality we live in that people desire intimacy and shaming and punishing them for that. Because you do lack empathy as you can't relate to thes…
/r/MensRights26/06/22 01:41 AM
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20 weeks, assuming no disability, not rape and nothing inhibited access to it. Also no, not just taxe breaks for people who adopt, you'd need to raise taxes across the country to compensate for the sudden influx of children into the foster system. So your taxes have to go up rhats not debatable. Yeah not in this thread you've just made numerous remarks about it before.
/r/MensRights26/06/22 01:25 AM
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Yes I belive its important for people to have intimacy, and I believe it's okay for a clump of cells with no consciousness or ability to be aware of its own existence to be disposed of because that unborn individual does not supercede the life of two people. But your right fuck those people they did the unholy damnable act of having sex before marriage so fuck them the unborn unthinking mass is more important. Also adoption is such a bullshit cop-out because 99% of people who say we'll adoption …
/r/MensRights26/06/22 01:12 AM
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No you're just so deep down the conspiracy hole that you're beyond reason that there is absolutely 0 point in trying with you. Why have an argument with an individual that's so far gone, not to mention most of your comments speak to religious zeal and a complete lack of empathy.
/r/MensRights26/06/22 12:35 AM
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Oh I just realized your also antivaxx, yeah no point in arguing with an individual that lives in delusion.
/r/MensRights26/06/22 12:28 AM
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What does this remotely have to do with individuals having sex? I specifically focused on the child, you know your entire reasoning being reducing suffering. Yet you argue that oh well sure this kid will suffer but it's fine in this circumstance because at least their parents are facing the consequences of their actions. Like you just completely avoided my argument and made it clear this isn't about reducing suffering or protecting kids, but punishing others.
/r/MensRights25/06/22 11:55 PM
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What if the child has a horrible disability that wasn't revealed until post 6 months?
/r/MensRights25/06/22 11:46 PM
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It's also morally wrong to bring a child into a home where you can't afford it. Yet this seems to never be argued? You talk about minimizing suffering but there is 0 mention of safety nets to help people who can't afford it. Like how many opportunities and experiences is this kid going to miss out on because they're parents, despite taking steps to prevent pregnancy, got unlucky and we're forced to put their life on hold. Nevermind the financial difficulty but your bringing a child into a home w…
/r/MensRights25/06/22 11:45 PM
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You say I demonize millions yet you've stated multiple times yet throughout our conversation you've stated numerous times how liberals/progressives and feminists are the enemy. Which I'm pretty sure number in the millions as well....so yeah that's just blatantly hypocritical. And yes millions of people in America have been brainwashed and honestly are kind of shitty people to begin with. Because ya most people suck, so do I believe that there are millions of people who are utter garbag? Of cours…
/r/MensRights17/08/21 09:40 PM
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Pffft alright, and yes have you ever met a Trump supporter? Not exactly the smartest or empathetic individuals, of the hundreds of them I've had the displeasure of meeting, every single one of them has been a self centered ignorant fool. There is a reason there's a direct correlation between lack of education and lack of exposure to other cultures in being a republican. No I can prove the patriarchy exists to someone who fundamentally doesn't understand the concept of power dynamics in a society…
/r/MensRights17/08/21 12:37 PM
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Look at the subs twoX or FDS and you'll see what I'm talking about. If you postdated the same things they post but about women instead of men, you'd be banned and the sub would be take down before you can blink. Can't link Them as it gets automatically removed lol
/r/MensRights09/08/21 05:08 AM
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Of course, but like I said it not fair especially when there's such double standards, but you can simply change the language you use when venting, you'll still get you point across and our subs won't be banned because reddit admins don't care about context at all
/r/MensRights09/08/21 05:04 AM
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No I understand most right wings positions the issue is that they almost always come from a place of either ignorance or selfishness, when it comes to how to run things. The part I was telling you to fuck off about is declaring this sub a right wing sub, as I've reiterated numerous times yet you continue to struggle understanding. Also I am autistic so I'm going to understand likely a lot better than you are the difficulties that come with understand people and social relations. But just because…
/r/MensRights09/08/21 12:50 AM
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I'd prefer if the private venting subs get taken down as opposed to the public forums on it though, I mean we can keep creating and recreating the subs while they take them down, then just say that they're a splinter group from our sub and as long as our discussion here is more tame they shouldn't take it down. Or we might be able to at the point make a big stink about it using evidence of posts and comments being a lot more tame to get people to reconsider there stance and maybe see some of the…
/r/MensRights08/08/21 10:44 PM
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Oh I'm not super familiar with how private subs work, but I assumed it it's private from the get go it will be a lot less in the public eye and reddit administration would be less likely to take it down. Correct if I'm wrong but is that not how it works? And I'm not sure how that is indicative of being proponent for double standards? I'm looking for a solution where men can have a forum to discuss their rights without it being banned line it's many predecessors, while still being able to partici…
/r/MensRights08/08/21 10:38 PM
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It's only incoherent rambling to you, because clearly what I'm saying is to complex(though it really shouldn't be) for you to understand. Discussing men's issues without being able to understand the others ides perspective is tantamount to planning for failure. You mack the basic skill of being able to empathize and understand where 50% of the population is coming from? So how can you expect anyone to even remotely give a shit about your opinion.
/r/MensRights08/08/21 10:35 PM
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The only issue I see with that strategy I guess is that if you don't tame your language/emotions then it's less likely your arguments will be heard/acknowledged. I mean I know I have trouble not immediately writing off an argument when it's essentially someone yelling and slinging insults, so I'd imagine it's difficult for others as well. I was also thinking honestly why not to both since they sort of require the same skillet, or another idea is maybe creating a private sub where members can ven…
/r/MensRights08/08/21 10:32 PM
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But that's the issue, it's likely not going to be dealt with anytime soon, so it's be stubborn and not change our ways, leading to a very likely ban, or change our ways and try to see if that works.
/r/MensRights08/08/21 10:27 PM
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Me are victims too, is more or a pointing out we are often the ones on the receiving end, it's not a victim mentality, it's changing the narrative of perpetrator, and prey
/r/MensRights08/08/21 09:56 PM
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I recently made a post about this, but there has been a push to make men to be villains and women victims, this is simply how most people think about the positions of the sexes in society, men are the perpetrators, women are the prey. So unfortunately a lot of men's groups end up in the cross hair as pushing the narrative that men are victims to tends ruffle a lot of feathers, then you throw in the fact that these subs tend to attract genuine mysoginist, who may or may not be cognizant of the fa…
/r/MensRights08/08/21 09:33 PM
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And that's completely fair, all I'm advocating for is simply for people to try tailoring what the say/post so it doesn't come off as completely misogynistic or anti-woman because we do talk about things that if not worded carefully can easily be interpreted as such.
/r/MensRights08/08/21 06:35 PM
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Jesus fuck you're really something huh, it's like you just went to 4chan and drank as much kool-aid as possible like what a fucking mess. Also as I've pointed out to those others something I find myself having to do because a particular group doesn't seem to have basic reading or comprehension skills. I said It isn't fair or reasonable you have to control your emotions if you want results. Also no one's fucking emotions should be "normalized" or as your actually advocating completely loose and u…
/r/MensRights08/08/21 06:33 PM
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You really shouldn't be proud to be a traditionalist, there's a reason your beliefs die out, because most of the time tradition is wasted time and energy but alright. If pointing out a complete lack of control and not attempting to at least keep your posts and comments from coming off as misogynistic is something you consider to much of an effort then yeah you keep doing you and don't be shocked when this sub gets taken down and we lose another platform because your pigheadedness got in the way.…
/r/MensRights08/08/21 12:17 PM
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Thats basically all I'm asking, you can vent for sure but I mean a little effort not to make it seem like this is a den of mysoginists is basically all I want. Most social platforms are looking for any reason to ban men's rights groups, no need to give them ammo
/r/MensRights08/08/21 12:04 PM
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So....a society where men hold all or at least the majority of the power, and it's only passed onto men. Where women can't choose their own life paths is not a patriarchy on your eyes?
/r/MensRights08/08/21 12:02 PM
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Oh I'm not denying that, but from a public standpoint angry men are easy to dismiss as "misogynistic" and it basically results in the content of whatever they're saying to become moot. Be angry but be controlled angry, like with most things in men's lives showing control is the way to get results and raging makes anything you say/do come under a harsh scrutiny. Its bs especially because the other side doesn't need to show so much control, but it's reality
/r/MensRights08/08/21 11:59 AM
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Yes and that's mysandry under the guise of feminism, sarge part of modern "feminism" is just thinky veiled mysandry, I'm not advocating for feminism, I'm saying these two statements "Feminism is destructive and against men" And "Mysandry is destructive and against men" Will result in two very different responses, one is easy to attack and makes you out to be the villain, invalidating basically anything you say, and the other puts that attacker in an unfavorable position.
/r/MensRights08/08/21 11:57 AM
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So changing the language you use to avoid a ban stops you from expressing your point and directing and controlling your anger means the feminists win? Because yelling about feminism has be so productive? You don't have stay silent but acknowledging that the language you use does actually matter when trying to have a constructive conversation is a necessity
/r/MensRights08/08/21 11:52 AM
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Yeah I wish more people could see a viable middle ground but certain individuals have been stoking the political extremism and it's getting pretty fucking disheartening to see how a lot of people think that's its one or the other and that there isn't some sort of middle ground...
/r/MensRights08/08/21 11:45 AM
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Oh yeah I'm not disagreeing at all, some of the shit in there's is just crazy, I just don't want this sub to get banned, and if we still get banned after fixing our language then there really is nothing we can do. But so far a lot of men's rights subs have been repeating the same things then being taken down one after another
/r/MensRights08/08/21 09:44 AM
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Maybe that's because I have yet to hear a compelling argument against managing your arguments in a better manner, you can call me a troll all you like, but it's become pretty apparent you either don't care to actually read my post or are intentionally picking and choosing what you read. I made it pretty clear that I don't necessarily disagree with what's being said, but that's this sub is facing a potential ban because people are choosing their words carefully.
/r/MensRights08/08/21 09:17 AM
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Of course they are, but at the same time don't be shocked when this sub gets banned, Ives said it before and I'll say it again, your actions do actually have consequences, whether you think it's fair or not.
/r/MensRights08/08/21 09:14 AM
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Or I care about the subject and this sub has already been featured on r/againsthatesubreddits and that MGTOW was recently banned for being a "hate" subreddit and the posting between this sub and that one really aren't to far off
/r/MensRights08/08/21 09:08 AM
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That's exactly what I'm worried about happening to this sub, unfortunately this seems to be an opinion that's not very popular...
/r/MensRights08/08/21 09:06 AM
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Alright I mean there was definitely a patriarchy idk how that's genuinely being argued, whether it still exists today is another matter entirely. And no real feminists exist and they're even in this sub you can see them comment sometimes, the rest are mysandrists posing as feminists, regardless the term feminism is tainted and honestly to loose in its definition to be used effectively to communicate a point, and I agree with the calm discussion aspect thats what I was arguing in my post, that we…
/r/MensRights08/08/21 09:05 AM
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How is changing the language you use stopping you from expressing yourself? And obviously FDS is a cess pool of female incels that should have been banned ages ago and honestly some of the sgit posted on 2X can be pretty similar. But I don't agree with those subs either, however I don't care about those subs and would actually prefer they get banned. But I care about this sub and I don't want it to get banned like MGTOW
/r/MensRights08/08/21 09:00 AM
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You can literally check my post history and see not, and yeah I'm concerned I like this sub I'd prefer for it not to get banned.
/r/MensRights08/08/21 08:58 AM
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What the hell are you talking about? At what point did I invalidate anyone's experience???
/r/MensRights08/08/21 08:13 AM
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That's my point though, I'm not saying feminism means this, I'm saying that's how it's defined and that's how it will be used to defend the actions and words of mysandrists and condem and dismiss the opinions of men's rights activists. I'm pointing out that it's not fair and not reasonable and that it's and uphill battle because we have to watch how we word things or risk being labeled a hate sub and losing our forum and space to discuss issues men face. Do it think most people who claim to be f…
/r/MensRights08/08/21 07:25 AM
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Oh I completely agree, another commentor pointed out that I should make a post about venting in a more constructive way or discussing it in a more constructive way and I thought it was a great idea, I'm honestly not sure why I didn't think about posting something like that earlier.
/r/MensRights08/08/21 07:20 AM
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Absolutely, things for men are pretty bleak, especially young men. I understand where the anger comes from, and I hope I can help at least some of them out of the darkness.
/r/MensRights08/08/21 04:43 AM
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I can understand that and even appreciate it I'm thinking of it from the stance of other men arguing and they might struggle to overcome that initial opening Salvo of "you hate equality for women" so starting off by disarming that might make it easier for others to not talk themselves into a corner.
/r/MensRights08/08/21 04:33 AM
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Oh yeah it's been pretty upsetting to see how fanatical both sides have become and how unviable a middle ground has been made to seem.
/r/MensRights08/08/21 04:23 AM
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Why are you going along with it? What no that's not what I'm saying at all, I'm saying that's your starting point from arguing, that is a factor you have to address and mitigate that by simply changing your language so they can't immediately invalidate your argument. It's a lot easier to invalidate and individual saying "feminism is destructive and against men" compared to saying "mysandry is destructive and against men". On the first statement they just have to throw the dictionary definition o…
/r/MensRights08/08/21 04:19 AM
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Of course I'm going to argue dictionary definition, because that's the definition used to defend that 90% anytime you criticise feminism that is the very first obstacle you will face is that definition, so changing your language and using mysandry instead of feminism takes away that defense and allows you to argue from a more equal standing, like I said this is an uphill battle, mitigating every advantage the opponent has is how we're are going to enact actual change. Think about potential defen…
/r/MensRights08/08/21 04:12 AM
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I said to on lookers and how it comes off, nothing I've said has indicated that I think men are the perpetrators, but that is how society genuinely sees and thinks about that, and being either ignorant of that or choosing to ignore the fact that you are arguing from a disadvantageous position is willfully ignorant.
/r/MensRights08/08/21 04:08 AM
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Lol alright, no I simply am saying change the language you use because it makes it easy to attack this sub, and attack your argument by making you out to be the villain. Which effectively in the eyes of most people makes all of your point moot. But alright if me saying hey don't make it easy for mysandrists to win and get this sub taken down is supporting mysandriy then I simply applaud your mental gymnastics.
/r/MensRights08/08/21 03:54 AM
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I think it's important that we recognize even if others don't that it's mysandry and not feminism, feminism is yo easy to defend because of its definition so throwing ourselves against feminism only damages ourselves and our arguments. If you replaced feminism with mysandry suddenly your argument becomes a loooot harder to beat because you can't just say "you hate women and equal rights" which immediately puts you on the defensive or as a villian.
/r/MensRights08/08/21 03:50 AM
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I'm not trying to shame honestly, it's just If you're genuinely communicating a stance of fighting for men's rights then no reasonable individual would oppose that stance so that leaves two possibilities, 1 your family/friend is mysandrist, which is entirely possible or 2 there's been a break down in communication somewhere. I find a lot of people on this sub don't realize the import of carefully structuring your argument, yeah it sucks but it's such a loaded topic that many have been trained to…
/r/MensRights08/08/21 03:47 AM
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Lol what? Why?
/r/MensRights08/08/21 03:43 AM
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Okay....but even if they change the definition of feminism there stance is that of a mysandrist. So why not just rail against mysandry and avoid the miscommunication on a word that means different things to different people.
/r/MensRights08/08/21 03:18 AM
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If your family is cutting you out, then they're either mysandrists or your communication needs a massive amount of work.
/r/MensRights08/08/21 03:15 AM
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Wtf do mean there's no clear definition of feminism, it's literally in the Oxford dictionary. Also I said nothing about biting your tounge or rolling over, I'm saying be tactful in how you discuss issues and the language you use. If our members did that then feminists, or what they actually are mysandrists, would have nothing to use against us. But you use a term that is clearly defined and rail against it communicating one thing when you're trying to say another thing. Ignoring that fact and ig…
/r/MensRights08/08/21 03:11 AM
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True to the actual definition of feminism, so you can claim a logical fallacy, but by definition the actions of an individual can be clearly identified as being feminist or not. This is mea pointing out that mysandrist use the fact that one arguing against feminism puts themselves in an inherently disadvantageous position ethically. So if the claim there actions are in the name of feminism you will have a difficult time refuting the point. And let me ask why you don't just use the term mysandry …
/r/MensRights08/08/21 03:03 AM
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Exactly, and same with the fact that you can take all the precautions necessary to avoid a pregnancy and clearly state you don't want a child at all, and if the girls decides to keep it your on hook. Which is all of the responsibility and none of the say. And numerous other issues.
/r/MensRights08/08/21 02:53 AM
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Yes and a true feminist recognizes that men's issues have fallen behind and fights for legal action that puts responsibility on them as much as women. For example the mandatory draft law that only effects men, there was a motion recently to include women in that draft. I know there were actually quite a few women who supported this motion even though it was what most people wouldn't call beneficial for women. Thats feminism, and that's what feminists do, the individuals claiming to be feminists …
/r/MensRights08/08/21 02:47 AM
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It's not feminism though, it's mysandry garbed as feminism, I honestly avoid the word feminism all together because it's so warped at this point like racism is that making any statement with it can communicate two completely different things.
/r/MensRights08/08/21 02:42 AM
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See but that's not dictionary feminism, it's mysandry and yeah a looooooooot of mysandrists have made men out to be villains under the guise of feminism, but that's how every movment goes, people using a term that's supposed to be a positive thing meant for progress to hide under and spread their destructive opinions, it's a rale as old as time. So you don't fight against feminism, you fight against mysandry and those that hide mysandry under a feminist garb.
/r/MensRights08/08/21 02:41 AM
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Of course they do, granted some of them fuck it up, which is pretty impressive when you have someone writing you speeches. But ranting isn't inherently an issue, especially when there are so few spaces that men can do it in, but it does help to point out potential ways they can restate an issue to help them better communicate there points. But that can't be done, of every forum we have keeps getting shut down due to careless words, which essentially results in more bitterness and a loss of any a…
/r/MensRights08/08/21 02:34 AM
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There are numerous states trying to ban abortion? Is that not fighting for rights? I don't understand how you came to that conclusion. It isn't only about obtaining rights but maintaining the ones in place. Also, privileges are included so it's not just a rights issue. This is probably unpopular, but I think men have less rights and privileges than women. But that doesn't mean there aren't privileges men have that women don't, both sides need to have there issues fixed.
/r/MensRights08/08/21 02:31 AM
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Georgia successfully passed a bill last year that bans abortions after 6 weeks, before most people will realize they're pregnant, and was only overturned recently. So I mean yeah it's kind of a constant battle.....
/r/MensRights08/08/21 02:23 AM
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Well I mean right to deciding what's done with there bodies via abortions is apparently still an issue in western society, so that's the first one that comes to mind.
/r/MensRights08/08/21 02:16 AM
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You're right it doesn't matter what you think feminism is, because each time you say "feminism is the antithesis of men's rights" you're essentially communicating that women having rights causes men to lose rights. Regardless of what you see feminism is, that's the message you're putting out to the world. Why can't you change your statement to mysandry is the antithesis of men's rights? Your communicating what you actually intend and no putting a target on your back or taking away from any of th…
/r/MensRights08/08/21 02:15 AM
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Yeah it likely will be banned at this rate, but I'm trying to change up the pattern that's become apparent with forums discussing men's issues, whether I'll actually have any impact or success is a whole other beast. I don't blame you for not getting involved online and focusing on yourself, it's a respectable stance and improving yourself is good enough as it sets a positive example for others. But at the same time I think a lot of young men are being surrounded by echo chambers commonly found …
/r/MensRights08/08/21 02:12 AM
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......believe it or not they're not mutually exclusive and the fact you seem to think they are really points to a much larger issue. Feminism as defined in the dictionary is fine and good, feminism as weirded by mysandrist individuals is not good. I support dictionary feminism I don't support third wave feminism. So no I'm not disingenuous I just care about actual equality and I care about not making men's rights a hot topic by an inability to state my opinions in a way that can be easily twiste…
/r/MensRights08/08/21 02:08 AM
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"the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes." That is the dictionary definition of women's rights, your opinion on that is irrelevant, so you saying, "that feminism is unnecessary" negelects all the issues women do face in terms of rights. To on lookers it comes off as women don't face any issues and women's rights don't matter. Are you telling me that's genuinely how you feel?
/r/MensRights08/08/21 01:21 AM
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Absolutely not, there are a lot of issues and double standards that should make you angry honestly yo the point of sheer rage, but simply yelling about how you "hate feminism and white knights" without clarifying that you're not referring to feminism the movment for women's rights, but feminism as is used by mysandrist individuals is only going to hurt any point you make, and result in a lot of backlash. I'm saying that a lot of the anger is undirected and damaging, which sucks that saying somet…
/r/MensRights08/08/21 01:06 AM
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Fair enough, I'm not sure why I didn't think about doing that earlier, thank you for the suggestion, though I'm not sure whether to do a general guid or more of a discussion forum type thing?
/r/MensRights08/08/21 01:00 AM
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Ehhh that's a tough one honestly, I can understand some reasons as to why you'd hold that opinion, but there needs to be somewhere to discuss men's issues. The problem is they seem to always become, quite quickly, a bit of a den for misogynistic content that the further makes it harder to bring issues up, so its just a create, tainted, deleted, repeat. And if you didn't make a men's rights sub, then someone else would and it could even be under the guise of dog whistle content. I think cracking …
/r/MensRights08/08/21 12:45 AM
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What are we told to fear? I'm genuinely unsure and just wanted clarification
/r/MensRights08/08/21 12:38 AM
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Implying I should be banned? Or others should be?
/r/MensRights08/08/21 12:31 AM
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Mmmm maybe a small part but I feel like it's concern more than fear, and fear isn't something you should ignore its there for a reason. But in a part yeah I fear for men's rights, I fear for the future of young men, as I see it getting worse for them before it gets better. Should I not be a little afraid? Should you not be?
/r/MensRights08/08/21 12:26 AM
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I hope you aren't pushed out, and I'm happy to help in any way I can
/r/MensRights08/08/21 12:23 AM
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Feminism by your definition and how many men and women act don't fit the official definition of feminism, but that's not how any argument against us is going to be made, how many times have you seen people saying and acting in a wait that's blatant mysandry and claiming they're feminists. A shit ton, like probably vastly more often than not. But you say "feminism is awful and shouldn't be a thing" and everyone will use the official definition of feminism on you, making you out to be misogynistic…
/r/MensRights08/08/21 12:20 AM
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And it's kind of bs, I totally agree, especially when the other side doesn't get banned for the same behavior, all I can recommend is changing the way your vent, or venting in a more private setting. It's not fair at all and it's frustrating and hard, but nothing worth doing is ever easy right?
/r/MensRights08/08/21 12:13 AM
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You can vent you just have to do it in a less destructive manner, like I said it's not easy, it's not fair, and it's kind of bullshit. But the alternative is we keep venting in this manner and having our forums taken down and like third wave feminism we get a bad name and further set back our objectives. We essentially have to be the bigger and more mature person the majority of the time. If you have friends or family that you can vent to in a more private setting I'd recommend that's where you …
/r/MensRights08/08/21 12:11 AM
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Yeah I can definitely get behind that, and I'm familiar with the 5 stages of grief, it's just hard to push them through anger and depression, especially because the two can go hand in hand a lot of the time and people can get stuck switching back between the two phases. Which ultimately results in a bitter individual
/r/MensRights08/08/21 12:00 AM
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Mmm that's kind of the hard part, honestly all I can say is try not to let those in the community who are really just misogynists pushing their own agenda to get you down. And with anyone try to be patient and understanding, giving the benefit of the doubt and trying to see past the anger and frustration while not being accusatory is what I'd recommend. But it's not always going to work and that's why it's an uphill battle, you will have to develop a bit of a thick skin, but that's sort of the w…
/r/MensRights07/08/21 11:59 PM
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I think unfortunately there has been a lot of leakage from subs like "braincels" and there kind that's polluted this sub. It's disheartening.
/r/MensRights07/08/21 11:03 PM
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See this is the shit that causes issues, I don't get offended your comments about feminism and white knights brings nothing to the table for men's rights, you just sound like and angry boy. And I'm part of the problem for saying that yelling about how awful feminism is, is only going to result in this sub being banned? All you're doing is engaging in dog whistle politics and your definition of what feminism is, is not what's commonly interpreted as feminism, reddit and external groups don't care…
/r/MensRights07/08/21 11:02 PM
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And that's the really difficult part I think, I'm lucky enough to have a girlfriend and family I talk to about my frustrations but that's obviously not an option for a lot of men. I would say doing it out of the public eye is the best option if you can, maybe having a vent session in personal chat with someone from this sub? Again it's not fair and I understand how difficult it is to rein in the anger and frustration, I've struggled with intense anger issues all my life and ODD. Controlling your…
/r/MensRights07/08/21 10:32 PM
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I totally understand that, I've been there a few times myself, which is why this is an uphill battle, because even when you want rail and rage against your situation, lashing out and saying loaded things will only hurt our cause. You can still vent while doing it in a more controlled manner, and again I'm not saying it's easy or fair, but it's what you have to do if you genuinely want to improve men's rights.
/r/MensRights07/08/21 10:25 PM
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I mean from a technical standpoint this isn't what feminism is supposed to be, but honestly I'm not even sure the labeling is necessarily incorrect. Personally I tend to avoid using the word feminism due to the fact that it has so many negative connotations attached to it, and just go for calling this what it is, misandry. But yeah fuck these people even if it was meant as a joke, it's as funny as women in belong in the kitchen jokes. It's just distasteful.
/r/MensRights17/07/21 09:10 AM
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