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23	The way those who hate age gaps talk about them is actually reinforcing tropes about younger women being more desirable	Debate	Putrid-Storage-9827	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/12/25 01:07 PM

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1	Some men predominately attract younger women without intending to older people are less likely to be single True, but being realistic for a moment: infidelity is and has always been a thing. It's a bit of Columns A and B. It's worth noting that this sometimes trends in the opposite direction. Some men do glow up over the course of their 20s and early 30s. They do go from 10 options to 25. There are a lot of reasons for this, like the natural variance between individuals in how rapidly they produce visible signs of aging, to the sheer opportunity of time to imp…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/12/25 01:22 AM
1	Some men predominately attract younger women without intending to There's no mystery here. Both younger men AND women are more interested in the opposite sex sincerely (i.e. for sexual relationships) than older people are on average. This isn't a men vs. women thing - this is a human thing. Older men are more likely to be scouting out for a maid or caretaker; older women, free room and board. If they are looking for anything at all besides their slippers. Older men are objectively much less attractive on average than their younger peers or indeed their younger…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/25 02:58 PM
–	A lot of young men are leaning conservative simply because leftists/liberals aren’t making it a point to speak directly to men, like they do to other groups, which conservatives take advantage of I look forward to high-profile progressives openly lecturing on Asian and Jewish privilege.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/25 09:07 AM
–	A lot of young men are leaning conservative simply because leftists/liberals aren’t making it a point to speak directly to men, like they do to other groups, which conservatives take advantage of This is too naïve, OP. They don't want to address mens' concerns in general and white mens' concerns in particular because the people who support and vote for them have a deep resentment and animosity towards these groups - and would see the Democrats actively working for their interests as a betrayal. As far as they're concerned, the whole purpose of progressivism is achieving social justice and equal outcomes - and that requires decision makers to explicitly and deliberately take from them to …	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/12/25 08:58 AM
0	Do you not believe that some women genuinely don't want kids? Not really, no. It might be fun entertainment, but ultimately he is literally wasting his time and energy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/12/25 04:43 AM
1	Do you not believe that some women genuinely don't want kids? People have conscious and unconscious motivations. I would think that very few women could not have an instinct to have children after literal ages and ages of evolution, for obvious reasons.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/12/25 04:42 AM
2	What motivation is there for dating in a Red Pill world? Dating apps killed PUA. Not only did it make the fuzzy hat routine obsolete, but it made the pickup process too depressing and cynical even to the cynics.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/12/25 03:35 PM
1	Rebranding sexual validation as "empowerment" reduces agency for both men and women. Courtesy of Gemini: Is sexual attention really "empowerment"? I want to talk about how modern culture calls sexual attention "empowerment." I believe this idea actually makes both men and women feel less in control of their lives and their long-term happiness. The Shift in Thinking In the past, equality meant that women should be seen as whole people, not just for their bodies. Today, that has changed. There is nothing wrong with being confident or expressing yourself. However, the problem start…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/12/25 07:50 AM
1	At what age range do you wish women would stay physically and mentally forever? Yeah this argument is ridiculous. Even if I'm not going to insist on being cynical enough to say This is a beta thing, admit your woman is getting uglier as she ages, the reality is that Aging is bad for the person experiencing it, as obvious as it is to say. I know, because I am. Not (just) for reasons of vanity and what other people will see - but because externally-visible physical decline is just a symptom of what's happening inside. People are insecure about aging and seeming aged because o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/12/25 04:42 AM
1	At what age range do you wish women would stay physically and mentally forever? They want the unjaded person likely all the more because they are jaded. I suppose it IS ironic - but it is not at all surprising, or uncommon. As in the other examples I cited of people wanting what they lack - in this case the charm and happiness of youth. The tragedy is of course that actually being with someone unjaded will not at all necessarily make you any less jaded in practice - it may well make the terrible contrast all the more obvious and painful.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/12/25 11:42 AM
1	At what age range do you wish women would stay physically and mentally forever? You didn't say it. I didn't say you said it, either.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/12/25 11:11 AM
1	At what age range do you wish women would stay physically and mentally forever? You've lost me here. Obviously some fat people can be attractive despite their fatness and some jaded people can be attractive despite their jadedness. Neither attribute is on the top of most peoples' lists.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/12/25 10:57 AM
3	At what age range do you wish women would stay physically and mentally forever? Why would I want to stay young forever I feel a song coming on... #Let's dance in style, let's dance for a while#	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/12/25 10:52 AM
3	At what age range do you wish women would stay physically and mentally forever? Huh? My point is that just because you (say, as a man) are jaded, it doesn't mean that you think "being jaded" is hot. The fact that you are jaded doesn't make a girl being jaded at all more attractive to you. In fact, likely quite the opposite - you may want someone entirely un-jaded to make up for it and bring a little joy into your miserable life. Just as the fat girl being fat doesn't make her suddenly start squirting all over the place when she goes into McDonald's and sees her fellow fatti…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/12/25 10:23 AM
3	At what age range do you wish women would stay physically and mentally forever? Having a bad quality doesn't mean you find that quality admirable or desirable. This one goes both ways, with fat girls holding out for ripped Chads. In fact, having a bad quality can make you even more desperate to secure its opposite (see: old guys desperately chasing young women, poor women desperately seeking betabucks, etc.)	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/12/25 09:38 AM
2	At what age range do you wish women would stay physically and mentally forever? I would entirely agree it's possible for a man to peak As a person at an older age, but this is in spite of the body. Some men become great scholars, businessmen, politicians and so on. Some may even be so genuinely admirable that even some young women look past their physical decline. But I mean... of course they are aged physically. Women hate hearing it but I do think men on average age a little better than women, but this is perhaps a five-year lag and that's it. Plus hair loss, drinking/dru…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/12/25 09:36 AM
3	At what age range do you wish women would stay physically and mentally forever? Physically getting older is terrible. No logical person wants knee problems, headaches, hair loss, back pains, tiredness, low sex drive, obesity etc. I know half you liars will say I'm still fit what are you talking about, but if you're honest, at least some of this is happening to you. So logically literally no-one would want to or for their girlfriend/wife to physically age above 25 if it was possible. Mentally either, because the brain ages just like and with the body. The only good thing abo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/12/25 09:25 AM
2	Women don’t need men Yeah OP should have at least asked for proper paragraphs. It's painful to try and read that.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/25 09:52 AM
2	Q4M: Between two identical looking men, who’s going to have the most casual sex: the intro or the extro? I think the boomer party has somewhat been crashed by Tinder and social media. Being in the room is obviously an advantage, but you're just not going to have the same success as the average "okay" normie who is one of the guys and can crack jokes in 2025 as you would in the 1990s or 1980s just because you were in the right place and the right time. Being the extroverted cool guy is still an obvious plus, but today the shy handsome guy can get laid any day of the week thanks to Tinder, whereas hi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/12/25 04:57 AM
0	Dating apps are a reflection of reality for a majority of people. Some guys aren't lookers but are very charismatic or dominant in person though.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/12/25 03:22 AM
18	Some Women Are So Obsessed With Older Men That It Makes You Wonder . . . Notice how young women are typically attracted to older men who are above average and not Bob who makes minimum wage, who is balding and has a beer gut? Women are attracted to attractive men and most older men have lost their looks. Video at 11.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/12/25 01:23 PM
–	Where do women want to be hit on? Moid, posting here so as not to trigger the automod. The answer of course is: At the office. At the bus stop. In the supermarket. By Chad.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/12/25 01:05 PM
1	The way those who hate age gaps talk about them is actually reinforcing tropes about younger women being more desirable I agree that attractive people have more options - but this doesn't directly answer to the question of offense. Just say or agree with this statement, Society considers attractive people (including younger women) more valuable people who deserve better - less attractive people (including older women) are expected to - or at least meet with more approval or acceptance when - they take on their fellow un- or at least less desirables, and I'll let you go.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/12/25 04:36 AM
1	The way those who hate age gaps talk about them is actually reinforcing tropes about younger women being more desirable That still is not anything like a direct answer.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/12/25 04:02 AM
2	The way those who hate age gaps talk about them is actually reinforcing tropes about younger women being more desirable They may argue this strategically on PPD, but not in real life. No woman in the real world is going to make out that they love dating a guy who looks like a cave goblin because they watched the same cartoons and had the same lunchables at break time when they were kids and are therefore an appropriate match for each other.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/12/25 06:28 PM
4	The way those who hate age gaps talk about them is actually reinforcing tropes about younger women being more desirable You are being dishonest. If men were truly seeking out the most vulnerable because of their vulnerability, attractive young women would not be most sought after, for obvious reasons. Less attractive, fat, and older women would be - which they are not, according to every dating app statistic we have. This is just silly.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/12/25 06:22 PM
1	The way those who hate age gaps talk about them is actually reinforcing tropes about younger women being more desirable You did give enough of a sh_ to reply and chide me also for having started a thread on the topic - which is always something of a contradiction.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/12/25 06:21 PM
3	The way those who hate age gaps talk about them is actually reinforcing tropes about younger women being more desirable He wants her because she has traits that make her vulnerable. If this was true, men would seek out sickly, unattractive women (even extremely fat and downright ugly women with low self-esteem, rather than baddies out of their league). This one doesn't pass the smell test right out the gate.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/12/25 06:07 PM
1	The way those who hate age gaps talk about them is actually reinforcing tropes about younger women being more desirable You didn't answer it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/12/25 05:52 PM
1	The way those who hate age gaps talk about them is actually reinforcing tropes about younger women being more desirable So to you, it's not about the age gap being inappropriate at all per se - the old guy just has to put enough money on the table slash a ring to compensate - and make it a fair exchange? Interesting. I guess the male version of this would be accepting a woman not so easy on the eyes but who is willing to scrub floors, prepare elaborate multi-course meals, etc. If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life...	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/12/25 05:08 PM
1	The way those who hate age gaps talk about them is actually reinforcing tropes about younger women being more desirable True (obviously), but that's not even what I'm trying to nail down here. I'm trying to get these people to admit that they are a little or even a lot less upset to see the old ugly fat guy with a frumpy older woman compared to a young hot woman - because they think the young hot woman deserves better and (put with brutal honesty) the frumpy older woman doesn't. It is going about as well as I expected.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/12/25 05:03 PM
2	The way those who hate age gaps talk about them is actually reinforcing tropes about younger women being more desirable In case that was hard to understand: Why is it more offensive to see a weak, fat, ugly bald man matched with a younger, pretty woman than an older, homely [woman]?	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/12/25 04:53 PM
5	The way those who hate age gaps talk about them is actually reinforcing tropes about younger women being more desirable The main problem with the manipulation argument is this: If a billionaire old man dates a 22-year-old, people call it "transactional" (although most would still likely despise the relationship, a minority would respect the hustle). But if a broke old man does it, he is actually more likely (perhaps even likely to be almost universally) called a "creep," despite being in no position of social power, and being in no position to really manipulate the woman financially and probably otherwise. This p…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/12/25 04:39 PM
3	The way those who hate age gaps talk about them is actually reinforcing tropes about younger women being more desirable If it was only about predatory behaviour, the physical characteristics of older mens' decline would not matter. The very fact that these shallow characteristics are brought up at all, demonstrates that the deeper impulse is actually about attractiveness hierarchies. The actual criticism is not, in fact, the actual criticism. This is called revealed versus stated values.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/12/25 04:23 PM
0	The way those who hate age gaps talk about them is actually reinforcing tropes about younger women being more desirable If it was only or even mainly a number/experience/manipulation thing, the physical appearance of an individual older man wouldn't be at all relevant. By pointing out specific signs of physical decline in older men (hair loss, obesity, etc.), this in practice shifts into an argument about fitness and qualification - and once again, heavily implies that most older men are not physically attractive enough to deserve young women - further implying that younger women are, or should be, reserved for m…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/12/25 04:10 PM
-1	The way those who hate age gaps talk about them is actually reinforcing tropes about younger women being more desirable I wasn't denying the possible accuracy of the description at all - you've missed my point, which was that the characteristics of older men that are disliked are also the characteristics of unattractive men in general (and older people generally, of course - apart from the few that are sex-specific). By suggestive that essentially unattractiveness makes it more heinous for men to show interest in women they shouldn't feel confident enough to because of their relative or absolute unattractiveness …	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/12/25 04:08 PM
-3	The way those who hate age gaps talk about them is actually reinforcing tropes about younger women being more desirable I never found this argument entirely convincing - young women obviously have incredible power in society, and definitely can dominate the average guy in a relationship especially the typical older man. At the same time, I understand - and would agree with - the argument that young women are perhaps silly and could let their hormones and naïve younger person's mind lead them into something they wouldn't when older (just as younger men could). All older people without regard to sex tend to be more…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/12/25 03:25 PM
7	Feminism is not an idea. It is a technology I can switch off at will. I don't see how average men could possibly benefit much on balance from future technological advances in terms of how much power they have vs. the other sex. Power accrues to institutions, states, corporations -not to Joe Average. So advances like AI, surveillance, automation, etc. are more likely to further constrain men than liberate them. It seems like men have had a very long losing streak at this point, starting from the very moment industrial machines began to replace male muscle in earnes…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/12/25 02:49 PM
–	Women love men far more than they admit Women often resent men, but sometimes feel anxious or even frightened without men around. This is probably an evo-psych thing - police are relatively new and novel; for most of our time on this earth, you needed a strong man around to be safe - or be that strong man. It's like how kids will say I hate you Dad! but if Dad actually goes away they end up needing therapy decades later because of the fact.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/12/25 05:32 AM
2	Men are not less shallow just because they claim “I’ll take any woman”. I see. So you think men ARE fussy as I said in my other comment - but perhaps you think this is not because of others' judgement - but because of their own preferences. Either way, then we don't need to argue about your OP, since even you don't think most men really will take any woman - this is most likely virtue signalling, then.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/25 02:46 PM
0	Men are not less shallow just because they claim “I’ll take any woman”. OP, I take it you're saying that men who date less attractive women don't respect them, and just want sexual relief - and that this is what most men are like. This doesn't make them less shallow - it just shows that most women are to them worth using - but not loving. In a perfect world, would you prefer if men WERE fussier? I honestly think men are fussier than ever, even if not as fussy as women yet - but you disagree.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/25 02:31 PM
2	Men are not less shallow just because they claim “I’ll take any woman”. I mean the TikTok thing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/25 02:24 PM
3	Men are not less shallow just because they claim “I’ll take any woman”. That is so not true considering how many men blindly follow Trump and the manosphere. I was clearly talking about in the dating scene. No they don't, In fact, on TikTok, both genders are laughing a guy who claims this. I have no idea what you're talking about here. How would I?	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/25 02:18 PM
5	Men are not less shallow just because they claim “I’ll take any woman”. I don't this is true anymore, anyway. Because of how widespread the chopped dude epidemic meme is now - and how much age-gaps have become a controversy (always with the barely-hidden subtext that You don't deserve baddies (which actually induces men to think more - rather than less - about the attractiveness level of the women they may or may not be able to date) - men are increasingly both being pickier, and saying they're pickier. Men are increasingly wary of being seen to be made a fool of by…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/12/25 01:48 PM
1	We live in a Post-Alpha world where “red pill alphas” are nothing but mythologized male whores. Isn't the real redpill take on this that there are always the haves and the have nots? Those who rule and are ruled. How they do it - with a sword, a gun, a bomb, a pen, a laptop - doesn't matter. I think OP is 100% right that the average Joe has very little agency, but this has been the unfortunate lot of many, many men for thousands of years. It sucks to be a peasant who is a disposable plaything in the hands of the people at the top, but that's life. For the vast majority of history, you had …	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/25 03:05 PM
1	In a societal level, no one is going to grant you freedom from oppressive structures and roles. If you want clemency, fight for it. Fair enough. I mean, to be fair, India is such a hugely populous country that there was simply no way the British could continue to rule it absent the active consent of most people, so Indians withdrawing that was alone enough to end British rule (and perhaps it is in fact to the credit to Indians that they didn't inflict needless violence on either themselves or the British - at least at that point). I didn't mean to derail the post. You're right that of course there was some violence in any ca…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/25 03:46 AM
4	In a societal level, no one is going to grant you freedom from oppressive structures and roles. If you want clemency, fight for it. But the thing is, no one just gave women that clemency. It was fought for and earned. I don't know if this is true. As someone who’s ethnically Indian, the idea that non-violence and complacency gave us freedom from British colonial rule is bullshit, it was bloody, violent, and our freedom was earned. This too, there was no great Indian War of Independence. It is true that India was becoming difficult to govern, but it was not Great Indian Mutiny 2.0. Obviously the British would have preferred t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/25 03:39 AM
2	The man paying for the date is a status symbol to women Rather, women will go out of their way to spend time with and try to impress us. Also, such requirements signal to us that the woman in question may be looking for an ATM. Well, then you can just carry on as you were.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/25 12:24 AM
-1	The man paying for the date is a status symbol to women In some ways, I entirely understand why some women think it makes sense for men to pay. If they are seeking a successful or at least comfortable man, this is a good litmus test. A man who's genuinely both not skint AND attractive won't be that put out if the date doesn't go as he hoped, because A) it's not that much money to him, and B) if he's actually attractive, this won't be one in a predictable series of failures, just one unfortunate date where they didn't connect. A man being either REALL…	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/12/25 12:14 AM
–	Why do women say men are single because they are bad/misogynistic. But tons of bad and misogynistic men have tons of women? Moid, so replying here to avoid tripping the Mod bot. The realistic (and truthful) argument isn't that bad men can't get women - but rather that unattractive, bad men can't get women. If you're not attractive, being a bad person won't make you any more so.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/12/25 04:29 AM
7	The Grim Future of Men and Dating? Getting into a relationship doesn't guarantee stability. 'Til death do us part isn't a thing anymore, thanks to dating apps and social media, as well as an unprecedentedly individualistic society with no real enforcement of monogamy let's face it especially when it comes to what women do. What is this lock down you speak of?	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/12/25 04:05 AM
1	The red pill is driving women away from men and is central to why modern dating sucks This is a both sides thing, though OP. And a prisoner's dilemma.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/25 04:31 PM
4	Society encourage male sexuality when it's convenient. Sexuality is when penis in your butt Sorry, this isn't how it is (yet). I don't care that it's the 21st century - sexuality still retains its older, more general meaning.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/25 04:09 PM
2	Women don't respect or desire actual freedom outside the domain of "sexual liberation". I somewhat agree with this. Unfortunately, the real freedom is the freedom to say no. Being in business can sometimes be no more free or even less free than being a cog in the machine; in fact, especially in this world of connectivity, both business and white-collar work can leave you always-on, at the mercy of clients and customers 24/7. When you're an employee, you only have to be good enough to avoid getting the chop - if it's your business, you have to actually move your arse and win for you…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/25 11:27 AM
–	Women don't respect or desire actual freedom outside the domain of "sexual liberation". Perhaps this may seem to weaken my argument - but I suspect it depends on if the crying is real anguish and misery of those definitively at the bottom of the pile - or the perceived outrage of those finally moving up and getting to where they feel they belong. There's a big difference between White people need to show us more respect, it's not the 1950s anymore - change or we'll make you change, and the actual bitterness of people who sincerely feel oppressed because they are, and it's not getti…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/25 10:08 AM
–	What percentage of 20, 25, 30 and 35 yo women are interested in an athletic 40 yo? The fact that you are asking strangers on Reddit of all places rather than hitting the club kinds of answers your question for you, doesn't it? Age is just a number - but aging isn't. Physical aging isn't attractive, because the same things that make older men unattractive (obesity, hair loss, wrinkles, lack of energy) aren't attractive in younger men, either. All isn't necessarily lost - are you exceptionally wealthy? Charismatic? Unusually educated and distinguished in some way? Unfortunately,…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/25 09:48 AM
3	Women don't respect or desire actual freedom outside the domain of "sexual liberation". For those struggling with the concept of freedom (or lack of it), there's a pretty easy way to define and quantify it: How much of your day do you spend literally serving others? One hour? Two? Five? Ten? Fifteen? The higher the figure, the less free you are - and the more in thrall you are.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/25 02:22 AM
–	Women don't respect or desire actual freedom outside the domain of "sexual liberation". Women see (correctly) that Google, Deloitte, Conde Nast, and Goldman Sachs are more powerful than you, the boyfriend. And they love power. In their little savage caveman brains, individual men are supposed to be powerful and dominant, the way corporations are in our world. Men have the advantage of having sometimes erect penises, which are more fun than corporations. But frustratingly for women, those penises are mostly attached to men who live in the shadow of corporate and State power, which o…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/12/25 01:22 AM
–	People need to stop glazig neurotypicals here All being neurotypical does is enable you to do neurotypical things. Which includes all the stuff you mentioned. Thing is, most normies have tended to prefer experiencing all that kind of stuff to endless solitude (although recently this might be changing). If you disagree, you may be the autist. Not saying that's a bad or good thing (or saying I'm necessarily not one too), it just is what it is. Many normies will unironically laugh off all that stuff you mentioned as the rough and tumble, the s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/11/25 12:11 PM
2	Men being sexual predators, ladies men, and losers is all a part of the same source. And society perpetuates this. Ultimately, this goes well beyond expectations of masculinity or dating. To get what you want, you have to start tuning out society. Because, as you've noticed and outlined admirably, society is a jumble of contradictions. Seeking its approval will land you in the madhouse.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/11/25 05:11 AM
1	Men issues and female privilege are connected. The unfortunate answer to your question is 100% of them, when a war breaks out.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/11/25 03:34 PM
4	Women don't love you, they love what you can do for them. genuine kindness comes from abundance. If you buy a woman a drink at a bar like it’s no big deal because you’re seriously wealthy and it genuinely is no big deal, that’s kindness Is this necessarily the case? If my parents are normal middle-class people and they buy me a house, this is an enormous sacrifice and gesture of love. If my parents are billionaires, it's nice but no skin off their nose.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/11/25 04:10 AM
-4	Women don't love you, they love what you can do for them. It is her initiating it. Ditto if a man is cheated on and files for divorce. I really don't get what the significance of this is.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/11/25 04:08 AM
1	why do men complain about women liking bad guy, when they literally have a fetish for crazy women? I don't know if these are parallel characteristics. "Bad" is just synonymous with being wilful and "not submissive" to either women or other men - sometimes to the extent of being willing to break the existing law and at least try to make their own. "Crazy" literally means just that - unstable. It is not synonymous with any kind of strength. "Craziness" in women is frankly only desired because of the perception (correct or not) that it comes as a package with lustfulness and/or promiscuity.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/11/25 12:29 PM
2	Women are more attracted to social status than social skills. Like all things, being a loner is cool if you're Chad.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/11/25 04:13 AM
8	Women don’t peak at 18 The unfortunate truth is that many, many people of both sexes become unattractive faster than they should because of weight issues. Ideally, people should be at their peak physically and aesthetically between around 18 and 25, only beginning their gentle decline in earnest between 30 and 35. But this doesn't always - or perhaps make that often - happen.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/11/25 02:34 AM
2	The way women and BluePillers on here talk about "men" and what they have to offer women in relationships doesn’t make sense according to how women themselves idealize, seek, & rationalize romantic relationships. The reverse is also true, though. It seems logically or morally inconsistent to want to deny giving credit for all the good things someone's in-group did for society, but foster guilt for all of the bad. It's two sides of the same coin.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/11/25 02:21 AM
5	How MAGA Hijacked The Manosphere! Incels turning to politics and religion in order to shame the playboy life and outright ban it Also, part of the reason for this to the extent that it is a thing is that dating apps and social media have made that life seem further away for most men than it used to be. The 90s was peak promiscuity - we had massive pub and club culture, universal contraception and normalised Bill Maher-style secularism, but without dating apps, TikTok, Are We Dating The Same Guy? Facebook groups and MeToo. It mig…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/11/25 12:24 AM
11	How MAGA Hijacked The Manosphere! You have it backwards. "Traditional" fuzzy hat-wearing redpill, and the 90s club/pub "norm" of seeing women as a puzzle to figure out and wheedle sex out of started dying because A) it simply stopped working remotely as well because dating apps, and B) dudes started worrying about getting MeToo'd by women they hooked up with/were hoping to hook up with. It wasn't so much a "hijacking" as just that the Playboy and Game stuff aged out, especially in an era when the venues where people played the p…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/11/25 10:16 PM
2	Being evil is not a factor when it comes to not being able to find a girlfriend I mean he's also a celebrity. You don't have to be good looking when you're famous. I'm sure Jack Nickelson can keep his dick wet despite being a Grade A creep and weird-looking. He's really old and probably can't get it up anymore, but I mean like 10-20 years ago, then. At a certain point, there will always be literally thousands of women willing to sleep with you just to say they did.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/11/25 01:01 PM
3	Being evil is not a factor when it comes to not being able to find a girlfriend My impression is that Chad has absolute freedom to be whatever he wants, and women will love it because he's Chad doing it. He can be a complete and utter simp and it be romantic, he can be a jerk and that's going to be cool too. He can even be just not anything in particular besides just born handsome and that will work too. Whereas less attractive boring men have to strategise a little, usually that means moderate simping and seeming harmless. Really unattractive guys often go FULL simp, money…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/11/25 09:59 AM
22	Being evil is not a factor when it comes to not being able to find a girlfriend I think the more accurate and nuanced version of this argument is that The average seething incel isn't like these assholes who are also dominant - they're not doing themselves any favours by being seething balls of anger; just making themselves even less attractive. The unfortunate question this argument leaves unanswered is: What particular incentive does a man who really has dropped out have to be a team player anymore? My suspicion is that at the very top there are a lot of both genuine nice…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/11/25 07:55 AM
2	What women don’t understand about male nature: you likely AREN’T your boyfriend’s type Frankly I also don't think it hurts most women quite as much to settle. Obviously they do want to bag Chad - but they also are more pragmatic by nature. Men are more likely to actually want to be some kind of mythical hero out of a Hollywood movie/Greek legend, and so are more likely to find reality crushing (when it is so).	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/11/25 05:18 AM
7	What women don’t understand about male nature: you likely AREN’T your boyfriend’s type I don't think this is news to many women. In fact, I've seen many women (understandably) point this out as a rebuttal to mens' complaints about likely being/having been settled for.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/11/25 02:40 AM
1	Most of what men say they are attracted to and "deserve" is actually unreciprocated delusion that can't be fulfilled easily I actually do agree with the women in this post saying that men and women are a bit different when it comes to age. Obviously, on a fundamental level, physical aging = breaking down, and that's not attractive full stop. On the other hand, I think there is a sort of residue of something really primitive and old-fashioned going on in how women sometimes view older guys. My theory is that in the more dangerous world of the past, it was easier for men to end up dead (men are always disposable, but i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/11/25 11:44 PM
5	Most of what men say they are attracted to and "deserve" is actually unreciprocated delusion that can't be fulfilled easily You're saying women don't settle to the same extent? I don't see how we could really be sure of that...	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/11/25 12:18 PM
3	Most of what men say they are attracted to and "deserve" is actually unreciprocated delusion that can't be fulfilled easily I'm not sure what point you are making, then. If most men do settle down, then they're willing to settle for non-Stacey eventually, just like their female counterparts settle for Billy Bob instead of Chad - what's there even to debate?	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/11/25 12:14 PM
8	Most of what men say they are attracted to and "deserve" is actually unreciprocated delusion that can't be fulfilled easily Men around their own age is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. You really mean Chad (regardless of age). The average older lady doesn't look twice at the average nobody in the next cubicle at the office. I actually agree btw with women that getting older is a bit easier for men in some ways. For one, because so many men never get much attention from women, getting older feels like going from a 3/4 to a 1/2; (i.e. even feeling less attractive feels mostly like... more of the same - whereas most w…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/11/25 12:06 PM
7	Most of what men say they are attracted to and "deserve" is actually unreciprocated delusion that can't be fulfilled easily I mean, you're right about the likelihood or lack thereof rather of most older guys snagging young baddies, BUT the reality is that virtually everyone is ageist, just their threshold in each individual case may be different (practically all of us would exclude people over 80, the vast majority senior citizens, and most young people would rule out the middle-aged). Just as we are virtually all sizeist, not into ugly people, etc. And remember the hard rule: You can't negotiate attraction. This rul…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/11/25 11:39 AM
5	Who really are the worst men? This is just a dating-specific version of the Just World Fallacy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/10/25 08:24 PM
–	Is this incredibly stupid or totally normal? I mean of course it's stupid. I don't even understand why you are bothering to ask?	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/10/25 02:05 PM
1	20 year old women don't want middle aged or geriatric men the way these men want them I'm not going to disagree with you that women are not sexually attracted to men much older than them - but given the number of single men generally, there are many men 2-5 years older that they don't prefer, as well. Older men (and women) are drastically more likely to be unattractive by definition, though - since physical aging is literally synonymous with physical deterioration. Most of the things that make even young men dateless are much more common in older men. A good analogy here is with …	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/10/25 10:47 AM
2	20 year old women don't want middle aged or geriatric men the way these men want them What on earth would a 22 year old and a 55 year old have to talk about? I agree that 22 year olds and 55 year olds are mostly not a good match, but it has nothing to do with their interests, it's because the old guy is not handsome anymore and low-energy too. Chad makes any hobby or conversation topic exciting because he's the one talking about it. It's argumentum ad absurdum I guess, but the Chadfishing experiments showed this can even extend to topics like Why Hitler was based or My extensive …	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/10/25 08:53 AM
1	20 year old women don't want middle aged or geriatric men the way these men want them If you're aging badly, or just unattractive, no-one of any age, of any sex will be passionate about doing the nasty with you. if you fall into this category, you now have the dilemma of whether to inflict your unsexy self on others. Rules 1 & 2 are ironclad Laws of Dating. I do understand why it's said that older, unattractive men who think their younger wives and girlfriends are attracted to them are delusional. I don't understand why it's assumed that older, unattractive men who think their sa…	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/10/25 08:42 AM
–	[Debate] The conflict between "Societal/RP Stoicism" and the Islamic ideal of the "Merciful & Gentle Man" Seems like this is just hummus/lamb-and-mint flavoured tradcon. In any case, the tradcon ideal is only practical in a society which enforced tradconnery. That's not to say that you have to or should become a red pill/Andrew Tate type - but that in a world where the knives are out, you have to watch your back. I don't know what to say, man - if there was a way to make the bluepill work for sure, everyone would be doing it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/10/25 08:10 AM
2	The individualistic culture in the west is why dating is very bad. While this dating culture obviously started in the West, we can see similar trends throughout the developed world, probably because of the Internet, social media, and dating apps. I'm willing to accept that a more individualistic culture in general didn't help matters - but modern technology, communications and transport fosters a socially more individualistic mentality, even in places where this wasn't the historic norm: see Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, and now Mainland China as well. Having a h…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/10/25 08:15 AM
6	DISCUSSION🗨️ ABOUT MAIN PPD POSTS📮, LOOKS👀, AND N-COUNT🔢 ARE RESTRICTED🚫 FROM THE DAILY🌞 MEGATHREAD🧵 I've had enough of these arguments about how Sex is about power, Incels want validation from Stacy not sex, etc., etc. Especially YOUNG men really do WANT SEX. I don't say just want sex, because that wouldn't be true - but they do want it. Or at least, most of them do. My impression is that many men on here who are now in their 30s or 40s are literally forgetting what that feels like - being a teenager or in your early twenties and just physically desiring women like a madman. That's what many, …	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/10/25 07:49 AM
2	The reason men place so much value on sex is because women are very selective with who they have sex with WRONG, gay guys aren't selective (on average) and many of them love sex. Back to the drawing board. Especially young men don't (just) seek out sex for validation, they just want to stick it in because they do. It's a primal and honest motive. (I'm not saying men can't and don't (also) want other things too: love, connection, friendship, all that gooey stuff, because they do - but all the same.)	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/10/25 08:07 AM
15	Men shouldn't expect women to settle for them in their prime (20's) because men themselves don't have a prime they can give women. 1) Be attractive. 2) Don't be unattractive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/10/25 12:23 PM
17	Men shouldn't expect women to settle for them in their prime (20's) because men themselves don't have a prime they can give women. The only real rule for either sex ever is follow Rules 1 & 2.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/10/25 12:09 PM
–	Redditors are so ridiculous when it comes to age gap relationships Yeah it's telling how she goes on and on about his law firm and all the companies he owns, and not his smile, personality, or even hot body. The way a young woman in a relationship with a man she loves would.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/10/25 11:48 AM
–	The problem with many women here First filter out people who doesn't match your political ideology, have deep talks, get his opinion on women ... Does he cares about minorities, healthcare Is this a joke? Obviously women don't really care as much about this stuff as whether the guy is hot and charismatic. They never will.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/10/25 11:16 AM
2	Society often tries to change men's behaviour regarding intersexual dynamics to fit a feminist paradigm, but doesn't attempt to change female behaviour to fit the same feminist paradigm Women are repelled by men who are actually their mere equals, less still their inferiors. But because they desire power like everyone else for obvious reasons, they are still compelled to seek it in every aspect of life besides their private life and especially the bedroom. Where this is going, who knows.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/10/25 03:05 AM
7	This sub’s idea of the “average man” is way off from the general population. Where I'm from, 40% of school leavers attend uni. That's not remotely typical, even in developed countries, lol.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/10/25 02:46 PM
10	This sub’s idea of the “average man” is way off from the general population. Historically, a far larger percentage of the male population than today did meet a woman, get married, and have children. If these milestones are all noticeably less likely to be reached by men today, there does have to be a social explanation. Obviously even in the past, there was going to be an unlucky bottom tenth or so that didn't make the cut, but if that tenth is now larger, there is a reason for this. I also fail to see what your overall point is, really. Is it that there are less losers …	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/10/25 11:06 AM
4	This sub’s idea of the “average man” is way off from the general population. Anyway, my point is that average and normal - less still desirable - aren't the same thing. The unsuccessful know they are so - but they could actually be closer to the average than you think (even though averages often don't really exist in real life - there are no women with 1.7 children (hopefully). In the real world when it comes to women you have a whole spectrum of people of wildly different habits and levels of success in different aspects of life. Divorces, incels, people who married the…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/10/25 11:01 AM
12	This sub’s idea of the “average man” is way off from the general population. What I'm saying is that unsuccessful people are more likely to be homebodies/isolated than successful people - so there may be a tendency to underestimate their numbers. They may not outnumber OP's idea of "regular Joes", but there may be quite a lot of them. Perhaps almost as many or even precisely as many as moderately successful men. Especially since society works by trying to push people into achieving certain milestones, it seems to me that this tendency to not notice the weak/losers is amp…	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/10/25 10:51 AM
5	This sub’s idea of the “average man” is way off from the general population. There may be no "average man". But that's hardly incompatible with there being a lot of perpetually single guys out there, whether actual incels or just not willing to take what's left on the shelf. The "average man" thing smacks of a strawman.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/10/25 10:50 AM
25	This sub’s idea of the “average man” is way off from the general population. I don't know that the guys you happen to be friends with are necessarily particularly typical, or that it's reasonable to make judgements about what is normal by using them as examples. For one thing, people struggling in life are of course by definition going to be socially reticent - meaning that you will see them less. Everyone will literally see them less. And this will be true no matter how many of them there are.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/10/25 10:41 AM
3	Are dating events or speed dating even worse than apps? Speed dating? I'd be better off speed skating!	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/10/25 02:17 PM
3	CMV: Western men need to take accountability for the terrible behavior of many western women You called it a mens' rights dystopia - I disagree with this characterisation. It's an oxymoron to say that they shun feminists, given that their society is itself feminist. Virtually anyone in Korea before 1910 would characterise modern South Korea as a radical feminist society (even - or even especially - those who would support it). Arguably so to a lesser extent would most people anytime before 1945 - or 1960. 1987, even. Every time a man stands in a line to vote with women, he is supporting…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/10/25 04:55 AM
1	CMV: Western men need to take accountability for the terrible behavior of many western women Women in South Korea are free to reject men and be childless. They are able to vote. They can have sex with a man for money and then have him sent to prison, if she is 18 and not 19. They can go to university, get a masters or even doctorate degree. They can join the professions and civil service. They can lead political parties and become president. They can write Kim Jiyoung, Born 1982 and have it become best-seller, not banned, seized, and pulped. It is not a Chosun Dynasty-tier patriarchy; i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/10/25 12:02 AM
–	Are Eastern European men undesirable for women in western Europe/USA/Canada/Australia? Commenting here because not a woman. Stop coping, start following Rules 1 & 2. You know what an attracting Eastern European man is like; stop b-ing urself, start being that guy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/10/25 09:29 AM
3	Chasing casual sex for men is more about ego than pleasure. How old (and/or healthy) are you, OP? No offense. I'm not so old that I don't remember anymore what being a teenager and very young man is like. Sex is a natural and very powerful desire - and the fact that men can just masturbate doesn't turn off that desire. When you're young, dumb, and full of cum, just being around women is energising, electrifying.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/10/25 03:36 PM
6	I think many women actually think it’s immoral to NOT be hypergamous Indeed it's not.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/10/25 02:19 PM
5	I think many women actually think it’s immoral to NOT be hypergamous I know what you mean OP. I find women find the idea of a man who has lots of women throwing themselves at him but choosing her because she's so cute/feminine/hot a lot more intense than just happening to fall within the orbit of some average Joe who got with her because she was convenient and there. On the other hand, I think plenty of women also like the idea of dating and marrying their school sweetheart or whatever too. Either way, they want shit to be special which is understandable.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/10/25 01:57 PM
–	DISCUSSION🗨️ ABOUT MAIN PPD POSTS📮, LOOKS👀, AND N-COUNT🔢 ARE RESTRICTED🚫 FROM THE DAILY🌞 MEGATHREAD🧵 I somewhat understand the idea that if you avoid making the first move as a man, you can drastically reduce your chances of ending up in a transactional, unenthusiastic relationship - but women do actually genuinely enjoy attractive men chasing them as well (hell even unattractive men too sometimes, but obviously they don't want to do much about in that case, just get the attention). Also, it's still not foolproof - you could still attract a woman to make the first move for the wrong reason as a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/10/25 01:54 PM
–	DISCUSSION🗨️ ABOUT MAIN PPD POSTS📮, LOOKS👀, AND N-COUNT🔢 ARE RESTRICTED🚫 FROM THE DAILY🌞 MEGATHREAD🧵 I guess I just noticed the sub is taking off, also I've seen these arguments more and more on PPD, usually phrased as Women don't ever make the first move really, stop being delusional or whatever.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/10/25 01:48 PM
–	DISCUSSION🗨️ ABOUT MAIN PPD POSTS📮, LOOKS👀, AND N-COUNT🔢 ARE RESTRICTED🚫 FROM THE DAILY🌞 MEGATHREAD🧵 TBH I feel like the Chad worship meme was funnier and also (somewhat) realistic, even IRL it's more 65:35 than 80:20 (120% of statistics are made up). Claiming that women are actually lesbians or don't like even attractive guys is just sad and delusional.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/10/25 01:45 PM
–	DISCUSSION🗨️ ABOUT MAIN PPD POSTS📮, LOOKS👀, AND N-COUNT🔢 ARE RESTRICTED🚫 FROM THE DAILY🌞 MEGATHREAD🧵 Anyone else get the sense that WomenAreNotIntoMen is becoming the new trendy cope? It's new virgin territory (no pun intended) after guys got tired of alternating between resenting and worshipping Chad.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/10/25 01:40 PM
2	No, women do not make it "obvious" they're into you The same people in this thread claiming its easy I'm not claiming anything's easy. I'm only claiming that women will make it somewhat more obvious that they want horizontal action around extremely attractive men - and the proportion of women willing to behave wantonly around a man is directly proportionate to how attractive the man is.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/10/25 01:01 PM
12	No, women do not make it "obvious" they're into you Not really. It's a spectrum, not a binary thing. A few women are slutty around average or even slightly below average men. On the other hand, some guys are just so incredibly pussy-wetting that all but the very most prim and proper women start to go a bit feral around them. While women are on average less outgoing than men - in the times we're living in, women know they can get away with a lot more than men socially, and slut-shaming has been at a low-point for a while now. For this reason (even…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/10/25 12:33 PM
10	No, women do not make it "obvious" they're into you OP, you're right that modest and demure women are (obviously) harder to break out of being shy and introverted than outgoing and slutty women. BUT for a real top man, they will change their ways temporarily. Same way even shy guys will lose their shit around Miss Double-D with the perfect face and start acting the fool - they're acting on instinct. Belief has nothing to do with it. Women DO start giving dumb compliments, smiling, and finding excuses to touch men they find attractive. More outgoi…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/10/25 11:15 AM
4	A lot of the men here who chastise women for either “being too selective” or “not selective enough” (usually the same woman ironically), would do the exact same things if they were women. The red pill isn’t really a “thing” outside of the West. There isn’t any “LatinoSphere” or an “AsianSphere” for a reason & you aren’t remotely close to identifying the reason(s) this is true. It kind of is, though. The lingo is a bit different, but men in the Far East including Mainland China bitch about many of the same things that Western chuddies do - and I hear this is a thing in Brazil, Mexico, and even South Africa now (sure, in some of these places, it's somewhat limited to middle-class p…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/10/25 06:13 AM
2	The idea that women don't enjoy sex, comes from male sexuality being demonize in society. That's part of it - but the brutal truth is that another big part of it is just that women aren't - and can't be - that attracted to a huge swathe of the male population, because part of their attraction is always based around getting the better/higher/superior man (which is part of the reason why it's so easy for many women and society generally to be cold and indifferent to the wants and needs of the mass of men in the first place).	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/10/25 08:46 AM
1	Why do you guys insist that a woman's income and career doesn't matter, while also complaining about women "settling" for stable providers? I mean, you're not wrong. Anyone looking for someone to fit a social role - basically a second job in their life - no longer has pure motives. Basically, mature relationships between the sexes are depressing almost by definition.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/10/25 05:47 PM
1	Why do you guys insist that a woman's income and career doesn't matter, while also complaining about women "settling" for stable providers? If someone is dating down economically, they by definition aren't going to be taking advantage of them financially - meaning that they can't be being selfish at least on that front.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/10/25 05:43 PM
4	Dating is insanely inequal and unfair for men, yet no one’s adressing it even though it affects fundamental human The last few generations I take your point; but few is doing a lot of heavy lifting there, certainly in Western Europe.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/10/25 03:14 PM
–	CMV: Men should deny female "victims" sympathy for choosing violent/toxic men We aren't actually, though in any such era at all. And never will be. Life always becomes amusing and absurd when you remind yourself that the people you see walking around - and oneself - are basically the same 10,000 BC model, just clumsily and partially updated for the future. Like that old PC you own that still runs Vista with the last supported patch.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/10/25 06:43 AM
–	CMV: Men should deny female "victims" sympathy for choosing violent/toxic men There's almost a horseshoe theory going on here when it comes to this argument. Most men of the past would strongly disagree with OP - because they'd blame a woman's menfolk for not "protecting" (i.e., controlling) her enough - and would find the idea of a woman having or taking personal responsibility nonsensical and laughable.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/10/25 06:13 AM
6	The advice that “men need to stop showing interest in order to actually attract women” only works for certain top % men. It’s horrible advice and a catch 22 situation. Well, yes. That's what all these guys in this post joking about how Being a wallflower and waiting for her to make the first move means ending up a 40 year old virgin are desperate to avoid thinking about too much.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/10/25 02:42 AM
3	The advice that “men need to stop showing interest in order to actually attract women” only works for certain top % men. It’s horrible advice and a catch 22 situation. He literally said it's not desire, which is not true. I do agree with him that men also want more - but that is beside the point. Desire that isn't deep enough, tender enough, loving enough yadda yadda may not be enough and what women really want or whatever - but it's still attraction and desire.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/10/25 06:30 PM
10	The advice that “men need to stop showing interest in order to actually attract women” only works for certain top % men. It’s horrible advice and a catch 22 situation. Most women learn from a painfully young age that men want to put their dicks in them, yes. Most girls experience men making sexual comments to them by the time they're 12. That's not "desire", unless you want to call getting mugged "someone really desired my money!" This is dumb. Words have meaning. Men wanting to put their dicks in women or girls is attraction and desire, yes. You can't just decide that attraction actually means being willing to pay at least $100 on dinner dates, waiting 1/3/6/…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/10/25 05:18 PM
46	The advice that “men need to stop showing interest in order to actually attract women” only works for certain top % men. It’s horrible advice and a catch 22 situation. Not showing interest and waiting for the other team to make the first move does filter out 90% of women who aren't actually that interested in you. The unfortunate part of this, though, is that you could be the sort of men for whom... almost no-one is that interested - and you do have to jump through hoops and be a jester to be given a chance.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/10/25 04:30 PM
–	Red Pillers have a shallow view of attraction and women should be more than just young and hot Women will only feel this way about an older man if he actually has a great deal to show for his greater years. If he's just the manager of the local Denny's or something, she's not going to feel that way. To be frank, I actually DO think women have fantasies about being a cute little girl dating some great powerful guy - but he has to actually be that guy and genuinely larger than life for it to work. If you're just some older dude with a regular or even pretty good job, less hair and a bit of …	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/10/25 12:13 PM
–	Red Pillers have a shallow view of attraction and women should be more than just young and hot Well if there are men who really think that young women mean smooth sailing, they're wrong. Young, attractive women have infinite options and in the modern world they know they do. They're going to be very harsh on soft bellies and cocks, bad hair, wrinkles, and all the rest that usually comes with being older - and it typically takes a great deal to somehow compensate for this. There's also the negative social pressure especially in the modern world. It's easy enough to understand if you put yo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/10/25 11:59 AM
–	Red Pillers have a shallow view of attraction and women should be more than just young and hot Personally I feel very comfortable being a potential burden on society in my old age - if society wanted me to be someone else's problem, they could have made life more close-knit and clannish, but they didn't (and it was basically social engineering). The way I see it, they owe me. I'm a bit worried about being MAiD'ed though if the bennies run out.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/10/25 11:53 AM
–	Red Pillers have a shallow view of attraction and women should be more than just young and hot I mean, hot women can be intellectual and smart, too! Obviously the total package is rare, and I suspect intellectual women are likely to be mousy and odd, just as their male counterparts often are - but not necessarily.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/10/25 11:45 AM
–	Red Pillers have a shallow view of attraction and women should be more than just young and hot What I actually was asking about was the latter part of your comment.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/10/25 11:33 AM
5	Female double standards regarding insecurity The reason for the double-standard you're talking about is very simple: competence and power are attractive in men. If a man is insecure, that means he's doesn't feel in control. Physically, socially, potentially even politically. There's nothing about insecurity that could possibly be attractive to a woman. I don't think insecurity in women is really very attractive to men, either (except to insecure men who themselves fear being dominated) and it's just not quite as unattractive in women as it…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/10/25 11:04 AM
–	Red Pillers have a shallow view of attraction and women should be more than just young and hot What do you mean by this?	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/10/25 10:39 AM
–	Red Pillers have a shallow view of attraction and women should be more than just young and hot I don't think young women are thought of as lesser - not by anyone. Even older women are more protective of them than they are of each other - meaning that any man who dates one will be under constant pressure from society to show he deserves one, especially if he's "too" old. Dating older women is definitely the path of least resistance.	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/10/25 10:35 AM
–	Red Pillers have a shallow view of attraction and women should be more than just young and hot Submissive here can refer to both men or women, that's the irony. Women are advised by men to go for more pliant (i.e., submissive, less dominant) men who will submit to what they want in a relationship - but that's not exciting. Men actually used to be told by society to seek out submissive rather than fun women in what was seen as both society's interest AND their own (rather than wild party girls) - this is ironically now considered patriarchal or whatever. Men seem to potentially be attracte…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/10/25 10:18 AM
–	Red Pillers have a shallow view of attraction and women should be more than just young and hot The obvious rejoinder to this is that women want specific traits as well that don't have much to do with what their grandmother thinks make a nice boy. If we want to get really edgy, shallow always has been a way to put a negative slant on fundamental, and (some) men and women both do it to try and shame the opposite sex into dating/marrying them instead of someone else more attractive. "No, you shouldn't want someone young/strong/healthy/fertile/virile, you should want someone submissive/respon…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/10/25 08:14 AM
5	Would you date a very attractive girl who doesn't like sex? I mean, isn't that just called being a friend, or if you were interested in her, being in the friendzone? Maybe. It is a bit simpy of me to admit, perhaps - but it is an undeniable pleasure to merely be in the company of a beautiful women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/10/25 09:36 AM
–	Societal-norms against fornication foster egalitarianism (in terms of sexual/reproductive success) Eh? My point is that if you support sex having rules, then you also in effect support suppressing sexual behaviour. You just disagree about what behaviour it is should or should not be suppressed.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/25 04:00 PM
–	Societal-norms against fornication foster egalitarianism (in terms of sexual/reproductive success) My point is that what the rules of sex are is constantly evolving. Our rules today (and we definitely do have rules) aren't the same as those of 250 years ago - and definitely won't be the same in 250 years, whichever direction they evolve.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/25 03:50 PM
–	Societal-norms against fornication foster egalitarianism (in terms of sexual/reproductive success) suppress sexual behavior is suppressed all the time, what are you talking about? There are good reasons to be sceptical of OP's line of argument, but this one is a bit...	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/25 02:43 PM
3	Average man could put more effort in his appearance and it wouldn't change a thing I'm not saying t-shirts are necessarily bad, but they are mostly for the admirably young AND slim. Wearing casual clothes + being fat + not taking care of the clothes + being unkempt is where it goes really wrong.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/25 01:53 PM
–	Dance events or classes are a preferable alternative to dating apps Dancing is kind of the CEFR C1 level of socialising. Those seeking to dip their toes into the shallow end of the proverbial socialising pool (I know I'm mixing metaphors here, but bear with me) might be better advised to start by propping up a stool at the local bar. Sitting at a bar and drinking is an eminently respectable, only semi-social activity. You can socialise at anything from an A2 to C2 level without worry or feeling out of your element. There's a reason why it has traditionally been …	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/25 01:40 PM
19	Average man could put more effort in his appearance and it wouldn't change a thing I mean, yes? It would surely be unreasonable for an extremely unattractive man to assume that changing his wardrobe would be able to turn him into Casanova in the flesh.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/25 09:43 AM
2	Average man could put more effort in his appearance and it wouldn't change a thing Pursuing what makes happiness, or contentment , with achievable goals would be a better effort to make. Perhaps: but appearing respectable is still arguably worth doing. Taking a shower, shaving and wearing clean, untorn clothes is not hard, and will likely improve your life if you aren't doing so. Some may protest that what's the point if I don't get laid, well, you likely do interact with people socially in a platonic way - appearing more respectable in a very basic way will likely improve you…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/25 09:21 AM
–	Societal-norms against fornication foster egalitarianism (in terms of sexual/reproductive success) Yes, indeed, you DO get witch hunts. That is part of human nature. I am not actually advocating anything here - but I do think there is always an explanation for how people behave.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/25 08:57 AM
15	Average man could put more effort in his appearance and it wouldn't change a thing That works for billionaires, but less so for the average slob. The typical 3-4/10 guy living with his Mom will still benefit from taking off the ripped jeans and stained T-shirt, and putting on moderately well-fitting dorkwear like a check shirt with a collar and chinos and shaving. Even if he doesn't get all the chicks now, either. The average 2-3/10 guy will appear even more transformed.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/25 08:52 AM
–	Societal-norms against fornication foster egalitarianism (in terms of sexual/reproductive success) Lonely people are more detached from society - and therefore may well be alienated and less loyal to it - there is always the suspicion that the lonely man nurses a positive grudge and bitterness against others. There will also inevitably be the suspicion that the hermit or recluse nurses in some terrible, secret heresy or deviance of some kind - historically heathenism and witchcraft, heresy, buggery - then atheism, Bolshevism - now incel ideology, PDFfilia. Obviously, someone can be romantical…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/25 08:47 AM
–	Societal-norms against fornication foster egalitarianism (in terms of sexual/reproductive success) I think some men can be quite happy with hobbies or friends. Other men are more simple - or perhaps have no passions or friends - in which case they may feel their lack of a woman more acutely. It may turn out that lonely men are indeed at least more likely to be dangerous. The fact that something would be unfortunate or cause alienation and mistrust to deepen seems to me sadly not at all necessarily incompatible with it being true.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/25 08:38 AM
32	Average man could put more effort in his appearance and it wouldn't change a thing I think dressing and grooming is more important for men as a perceived proxy for mental health and basic discipline. It's less about fashion, and more about coming across as having it together. Not even (just) a dating thing, but a general social thing. In this respect, I think not wearing the stained graphic tee and old sweatpants could move the needle on an unattractive man, possibly significantly - but still perhaps not enough to actually make him attractive. He may simply go from cave dwelli…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/25 08:34 AM
–	Societal-norms against fornication foster egalitarianism (in terms of sexual/reproductive success) honestly your post insults men more than women. claiming their low status, resentful, violent. All just because they don't have a significant other This strikes me as something of an emotional argument that avoids the root of the thing, though - you're basically saying, This argument sounds mean and insulting, therefore it must be incorrect. What if it turns out that the peculiar conditions of modern society and its competitiveness indeed DO condemn most men to a miserable, low status - and that…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/25 08:12 AM
–	Societal-norms against fornication foster egalitarianism (in terms of sexual/reproductive success) It has been a very long time that you could face criminal charges for adultery or fornication in practice. Apparently, a very long time - you have to go all the way back to Cromwell's Commonwealth in the 17th century for these people to actually see gaol time for that stuff - although even after the Restoration, it could have serious consequences for your interests in divorce proceedings. Monogamy in the West was historically mostly maintained by true faith and religious belief along with a more…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/25 07:32 AM
–	Societal-norms against fornication foster egalitarianism (in terms of sexual/reproductive success) Now, imagine having to stand up and advocate this policy in Parliament.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/25 07:21 AM
–	Societal-norms against fornication foster egalitarianism (in terms of sexual/reproductive success) Socially, this is difficult to argue for, even if you are actually correct. Some of you girls are going to have to take tiny chud cock for the team is not going to be popular with women. And few men are going to admit to being particularly likely beneficiaries of a more sexually conservative society. The only conceivable argument on behalf of this idea from men that is socially acceptable is the following Yeah OP, you're right, I'm just monopolising way too much of the gash in my local community…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/10/25 07:04 AM
2	The Manosphere doesn't care about men's issues Vol III: Trump's military police TBF, the Trump administration opposes DEI and affirmative action throughout the public and private sectors. The military in peacetime is a volunteer organisation in practice - and let's face it, if and when any country actually sees a draft, the men will be forced to go regardless of what the rules are. So really, sign-tapping aside, for now in practice all these new (old) standards mean is more jobs for men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/09/25 08:33 PM
–	Are there really other kind of women on dating apps and real life? Obligatory 'I met your wife on one too' comment.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/09/25 08:33 AM
1	Men should be expected to pay their pregnant partner half the market price of hiring a surrogate + parenthood penalty costs in a 50/50 relationship We had a system in the old days. If a man was acknowledged by the community as being with a woman, he was obliged to support her indefinitely (at least according to Catholic rules) in return for her taking care of him sexually and having his children. What was it called again - someone jog my memory?	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/09/25 04:04 PM
1	Why does it seem more common for women to be supporting a deadbeat bum than supporting a hardworking stay-at-home partner? Seems like you basically answered your own question.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/25 08:10 PM
1	You should avoid online dating entirely unless you’re just looking to sleep with random people Forest, trees, etc. I'll take the L, if it really matters.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/25 09:01 AM
1	You should avoid online dating entirely unless you’re just looking to sleep with random people I did say have used rather than are using right now.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/25 09:01 AM
1	"Women make it obvious if they're into you" they don't lol All of the things I listed happened to me. I'm sorry, man.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/25 07:22 AM
1	"Women make it obvious if they're into you" they don't lol You're telling on yourself if you truly believe that kind of thing doesn't happen; you may as well put I do not make pussy wet in your profile (or on the front of your shirt, if you insist on expressing this view IRL as well). Those behaviours only exist in porn movies to you.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/25 07:13 AM
4	You should avoid online dating entirely unless you’re just looking to sleep with random people That's not a sneak, it's reality. It's still one of the biggest discussion forums in the world. Women sincerely having a no 4chan rule (obviously in practice, everyone can be secretive, etc., but just for the sake of argument) because of the far right and incel shit there is the equivalent of men having a no TikTok rule because They choose the bear or whatever. And I think you may be underestimating how negatively many influencers and podcasters are perceived by the Left and many women - someone…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/25 04:49 AM
8	You should avoid online dating entirely unless you’re just looking to sleep with random people Women on dating apps are increasingly the same as those not on dating apps. And at this point the vast majority of women have used them. This is turning into the male equivalent of Don't date Redditors, 4channers, or guys who watch podcasts from women. It may well be that this shit is messing people up - but making everything a red flag or ick realistically means cutting out increasingly huge swathes of the population of all ages.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/09/25 04:32 AM
23	Why is the conversation about men defending themselves against abusive women so weird? Women have the instinctive sense that a men ever ending up in a situation where he is in a physical struggle or contest with woman in the first place is too weak. Physically imposing men, women feel, will never end up in such a situation in the first place, because women will be too intimidated to start anything. As a result, women associate men who end up in physical struggles with women with general weakness, women find weakness in men sexually and generally repulsive, hence they are uncomfort…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/25 05:36 PM
0	"Women make it obvious if they're into you" they don't lol I've had women who aren’t interested in me do all these things Use some common sense - one or two of them could at a stretch not be a romantic thing, but a bunch of them together almost certainly is. Unless they're deliberately fucking with you in an unfortunately not literal way. Hello deletbait, you're so handsome \tee hee, here have this tie/cologne I bought for you, I think it will suit you! holds hand and starts skipping, do you have a girlfriend? Wait, you thought I l-liked you? Eeeeee…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/25 12:35 PM
2	"Women make it obvious if they're into you" they don't lol Winking. Lip-licking. Touching you with their breasts. Grabbing your hand (or arm). Complimenting you. Asking you if you have a girlfriend. Giving you presents. Giggling around you for no reason. These are the things that women do when they are actually interested in a man. If these are mostly or entirely unfamiliar to you, well...	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/25 11:49 AM
24	"Women make it obvious if they're into you" they don't lol Yeah, and women don't like them as much as they like Chad. When they meet Chad, they do make it obvious, because they actually are into him. What you mean to say is, Men who aren't that attractive and have to be persistent with women and talk women into giving them a chance, don't have women making it obvious. Well, no. Why would they?	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/09/25 11:13 AM
21	Women preferences are considered morality. While men preferences are considered evil. True. This is a real generation gap for me, it's definitely a weird new millennium thing. I've gotten used to it, but until just a few decades ago people would have been (rightly) bullied/mocked/ostracised for using this kind of language, and now it's even becoming an IRL thing. TBF, it's not just an English-language thing, the Koreans for one are just as bad with their "spec" bullshit.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/09/25 02:47 AM
1	The majority of marriage issues are caused by the fact that women look at marriage like a "coming-of-age" celebration. Breaking up especially with a long-term GF after 3-5+ years isn't a consequence-free decision, either. That can hurt women, too. Obviously, no matter what you do, you're fated to choose, and doing nothing and rotting alone is also a choice - I'm just wary of easy answers. Just do X. Often X (in this case, breaking up because you loved getting off but don't really love her, not that much, and don't want to be trapped) will hurt somebody, whatever X is. You. Her. Society. Peep Show really does hav…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/09/25 04:50 PM
-4	The majority of marriage issues are caused by the fact that women look at marriage like a "coming-of-age" celebration. The problem is older guys with girlfriends don't want to be lonely, they're frightened of being alone and jerking it for the rest of their lives because they've let themselves go, they also feel bad for their gfs feeling used for sex, so they end up talked into something they don't really want. A story as old as time. I have to say, I'm getting pretty tired of people trotting out liberal, individualist boilerplate as if it's the Gospel and obviously or necessarily true. The unfortunate reality -…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/09/25 04:31 PM
17	What do you think is the biggest hurdle toward empathy for men? Biology. Instinct. Women can't help looking out for each other - and men can't stop trying to tear each other down to impress women. That's even before the eggs dear, sperm cheap thing. It's nightmarish, but it's essentially impossible to change. Because it's not society or ideology doing it, it's ourselves.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/09/25 04:29 PM
1	The majority of marriage issues are caused by the fact that women look at marriage like a "coming-of-age" celebration. Understanding the woman doesn't help. The reality is that not only is marriage boring, but the man in particular often seems diminished by it, which isn't sexy to women. But women don't want to think about that and will call guys incels for doing so, even though they're not wrong.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/09/25 04:01 PM
–	If you aren’t violent, the dark triad is highly effective for both making friends or sleeping with randoms In my next life, I want to be reborn a meme East Coast American boomer. That combination of friendliness and mild, charismatic rudeness is somehow very appealing and endearing to me. <image>	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/09/25 04:31 PM
1	There actually are government mandated solutions to dating dating related events Mark Tries Speed Dating \| Peep Show	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/09/25 07:58 AM
10	If you aren’t violent, the dark triad is highly effective for both making friends or sleeping with randoms This is a really nerdy and dramatic way of saying that having less of a stick up your ass and being cool will get you further in society. Being a little less scrupulous, and a little more selfish and edgy gets you further than being an anxious, approval-seeking dork. Video at 11.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/09/25 06:47 AM
1	There actually are government mandated solutions to dating The most obvious thing that could be done is banning Tinder-type dating apps. The South Korean government could easily do this, as it has one of the most restrictive Internet environments of all developed nations - and it successfully blocks North Korean websites such that they are inaccessible even with a VPN. This is a restriction on freedom of course - but banning these apps could be justified on the grounds of public safety and fighting the spread of STDs even before chuddy incel reasons.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/09/25 02:25 AM
4	Women and sex are not your reward for working and contributing to society I mean yes, but you do have to spend all that money if you don't want criminals on the streets. Unless you plan on wiping out basically all men, that's just a practical necessity.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/09/25 04:13 PM
22	Women and sex are not your reward for working and contributing to society In (your) theory, no-one is owed anything. Everything is a social construct. In practice, humans are social creatures - and so will behave according to set and evolved patterns. It is always both amusing and terrifying to remember that human beings are only slightly different from what they were 25,000 or even 50,000 years ago. What a man wants today is essentially exactly what he wanted then, shaped by the environment of then - only updated slightly to match the environment of our current era. …	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/09/25 02:26 PM
3	Why would a woman want to get married even though men overwhelmingly reap the benefits at the expense of women? Instinct. Even though society provides women all kinds of societal goodies through men, the individual men are hidden behind the curtain. Women feel vulnerable without the physical presence of men - so even if in reality their life may otherwise actually be better without a significant other since they have the option of harvesting mens' work without an actual man being there and possibly being annoying, demanding, or heckin toxic or whatever, their cavewoman minds think they do need a man or ev…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/09/25 01:57 PM
45	Women and sex are not your reward for working and contributing to society TBH, people don't actually fully participate in society just for money. You can be upset that people refuse to be entirely capitalistic and individualistic, but they don't.	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/09/25 01:07 PM
1	This sub's understanding of the 'average person' is flawed. The people in your social circle =! all people.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/09/25 06:02 AM
1	The red pill ideology does not hold true for most high status individuals I think two things are being mixed up here. Some men have always wanted a submissive partner, just because. This is a thing since time immemorial. There is a new anxiety about modern feminism, which began in the 1960s and arguably even the 1920s, but which has become charged recently as a result of MeToo and the Internet. I don't know if these related but distinct phenomenon have that much to do with class. Certainly it's true that more successful men have often been keep to marry someone from t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/09/25 12:15 AM
–	CMV: Women's poor romantic decisions are part of natural selection I excised the reference to that stuff, is it okay now?	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/09/25 11:39 PM
–	CMV: Women's poor romantic decisions are part of natural selection I have an analogy here for you: Men could almost entirely avoid the risk of being trapped by unwanted pregnancy if they exclusively dated elderly women. They don't do this, though, because they are entirely unattracted to them. The same characteristics that make hot young women attractive are the same characteristics that make them likely to get pregnant. Women are mostly safe from being abused by weak, gutless doormats. They don't date them, though, because they are entirely unattracted to them…	/r/PurplePillDebate	18/09/25 11:31 PM
1	How many men do you think are settling for their girlfriends / wives? Many more than will admit it or be accused of it in polite society. Obviously it's impossible to completely remove discussion of what's really attractive in a woman from literally everywhere, but it is possible to be euphemistic and imply that a much larger percentage of woman are attractive than is actually the case, and that's what is done. To be fair, people do this to and about both genders to keep the wheels turning, and both men and women are guilty of it, which is why the morning shows do…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/25 10:14 PM
3	Men's intrasexual competition is just as severe Any video of a balding man using minoxidil or a toupé will get flooded with negative comments – from OTHER MEN! Hair loss treatments are more taboo because of the belief that they carry unacceptable health risks. You're on more solid ground with toupes - I think they've become more socially awkward because of the decline in wig culture generally. When wigs, hats, and headwear of all kinds were more in vogue, they seemed more just another accessory, rather than a way of hiding oneself.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/25 09:38 AM
9	Men's intrasexual competition is just as severe I don't know if this is quite the same phenomenon though, OP. I think there is a sincerely-held belief among many men that it's most manly to become attractive to women only directly through power and influence over the world around you - and that making yourself pretty is somehow effeminate. I actually strongly disagree that this is some eternal rule - there is a long history of men being fabulous and absolutely not effeminate - or homosexual for that matter. Dark Age lords and kings enjoyed th…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/09/25 09:25 AM
2	An average young woman isn't average To be fair, the difference is that a lot of guys have to do something with their life to attract any women at all, making it somewhat more understandable for them to wait. When it comes to women, the traditional view at least is that their prospects are never better than when they graduate high school (in a feminist world, the norm has been pushed up a few years, but still).	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/09/25 04:27 PM
1	An average young woman isn't average But my point is that I believe celibacy becoming more normal has made men less desperate. Men felt shittier about being single when it was less common to be so.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/09/25 01:27 PM
2	An average young woman isn't average men are desperate for validation and will fuck anyone. Even the ugliest will have someone to dick her down. I don't know if this is actually as true as it used to be. Ironically because the dating game is generally agreed to be so much more challenging than it used to be, celibacy isn't as stigmatised as it once was.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/09/25 01:19 PM
12	An average young woman isn't average Even more so is the average older woman. Relatively, it doesn't change much.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/09/25 12:11 PM
37	An average young woman isn't average I take your point, and I actually agree with you that it's unrealistic for every man to have an average or indeed any young woman. The reason, I think, why so many men have decided to be Staceysexual overnight despite it being even less realistic than ever is simply because the social context of dating has changed. In the past, far more people only dated or married those in social or physical proximity - not entirely without regard to their attractiveness of course, but with less regard. Obvious…	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/09/25 11:47 AM
1	The ability to find FWBs, not relationships, is the measure of how sexually attractive a man is. There's an even better measure, though - when a woman marries an (ideally poor and struggling) man her family disapproves of and loses access to money and/or protection for the sake of said man.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/09/25 02:21 AM
3	Women are just as creepy as men they just get away with it. 150% true. Average guys are pathetically grateful (usually - and if they're not, they're definitely not going to let on), and Chad is just on Cloud Nine all the time, and so takes it gracefully - unworthy women clumsily trying to steal his seed is just another daily hazard for him. There is essentially zero pressure on women to be sensitive and considerate to what men do or don't feel comfortable with.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/09/25 01:41 AM
2	Women do not fall for "manipulation" as much as they want to think they do What makes you assume they don't like that, too?	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/09/25 01:50 PM
3	Men and women are referring to different things when they talk about attraction which causes all the confusion What's amusing is that I believe you're absolutely right, certainly in the case of young people. Young men are definitely aroused by a greater proportion of the female population than young women are young men. I personally can remember that in my own teens and twenties, I could easily be infatuated even by the most unremarkable, perfectly ordinary, not stunning at all middle-aged or even elderly woman who still remained vaguely feminine-shaped, and I suspect this was true of most of my peers - …	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/09/25 01:40 AM
5	Why we avoid saying that women also care about attractiveness? There is no reality check. People like attractive people and don't like unattractive people (as much). Due to media, social media, and dating apps, nobody wants or needs to settle - they're constantly bombarded with images of the best of the best - settling isn't normal anymore, it's for losers. Being picky IS the new normal, and it's not gendered anymore because it's not the 70s and increasingly, men aren't horndogs.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/09/25 10:17 AM
3	Why we avoid saying that women also care about attractiveness? I don't think women are entirely alone in this. Being excessively blunt can hurt other peoples' feelings especially in a context like this one for obvious reasons - so it's avoided. Men especially anonymously and online are willing to drop proverbial bombs about older women, single moms, the overweight, women with certain hair colours, styles and piercings, etc., but in an IRL situation would be much more likely to hold their tongue or at least speak euphemistically - not necessarily out of fear…	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/09/25 09:30 AM
4	People hate male insecurities for two reasons. It's simpler than that, OP. Women want men who are in charge, for obvious reasons. Men in charge have the resources, the power, the protection to offer. They will also likely sire sons who will be strong and capable like them. Men who are insecure obviously aren't in charge and don't have these things - and women are deathly afraid of having sex with or being impregnated by them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/09/25 08:26 AM
3	"If she is interested she will show" show what exactly You are literally the author of this comment. Because I am not sexually charismatic. I don't have game. I am not good at sexy flirting. It doens't matter how nice I make my body look, how much money I have (to an extent), how "good" of a person I am, mid and attractive WESTERN women ONLY want to be with a man that SEXUALLY turns them on. Once a woman is with a sexually charismatic man thats the only thing she ever wants for the rest of her life. All the other guys are "nothing". npcs, ect. I don…	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/09/25 04:52 PM
0	"If she is interested she will show" show what exactly Wrong. When a man is really attractive, it's not shameful to be shameless. Because women care much more about attracting Chad's interest than they do about the opinions of the loser rage-wanking in the corner. It's also an age thing - younger women are actually more interested in sex, so their behaviour around men is more honest, impulsive, and free of ulterior motives. They're thinking less, feeling and acting more. This is cope.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/09/25 02:55 PM
0	"If she is interested she will show" show what exactly Wink and/or lick her lips Rub her breasts all over you Hold your hand and/or arm Literally say "You're so handsome", "Do you have a girlfriend?" Give unsolicited gifts Make kiss-faces If this sounds like something that doesn't happen to anyone on your planet, I have some unfortunate news for you...	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/09/25 01:13 PM
0	People who are disgusted by only female promiscuity see men as inferior All the dudes in this discussion saying that promiscuous men deserve praise because getting women is a difficult accomplishment whereas women can fuck as easily as saying hello sure are telling on themselves. Chad doesn't do much to get women besides get up in the morning.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/09/25 04:32 PM
1	People who are disgusted by only female promiscuity see men as inferior But if he was stuffing his face with the meat of an entire elk, that would still be gross. I don't know if this is a great analogy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/09/25 04:29 PM
1	Women’s Understanding Won’t Help — Because Pity Kills Desire I didn't mean just strong in terms of building muscle, but being a more resilient, confident person too. At the same time, looks are actually related to fitness and health as well - being thin and healthy shows in your looks - Life begins at 12% is a meme for a reason.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/09/25 03:58 PM
16	Women’s Understanding Won’t Help — Because Pity Kills Desire You might be overstating how important "knowing what you're doing" is to women. While obviously, yes, being a literal 40 year old virgin is not exactly catnip to the fairer sex, what you're saying might actually make men with less experience more anxious than is warranted. Really what women want is quite simple - they want men who are strong and capable in some respect or ideally many respects. Women will actually forgive men for being clumsy or not perfectly understanding women. They mostly won…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/09/25 03:22 AM
7	How many dates should a woman wait to have sex, in your opinion? For me? Zero, ideally her eyes meet mine in the street, and she just starts following me back to my apartment and has hedonistic, recreational sex before leaving that evening and never calling me back. For other men? Obviously they should get married first, no prenup, and then have unprotected sex in the missionary position until they have 2.1 children so that I will have a solvent pension when I need it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/09/25 07:17 PM
2	Not trying to be misogynistic or incelly but why do women get into relationships if at all? Evolution can't just make the most convenient thing happen at all times. It's a blind process that generally favours what promotes survival and reproduction, but is not going to be able to perfectly craft people to give you the exact sexy times you want when you want it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/09/25 08:03 AM
13	What’s the point of all the gender whining? Indeed, young people today have no idea how bluepilled society used to be. The party line used to be, Women don't actually want all that, just be normal, have a job, take a shower, get married, it'll be fine. Stop thinking the real world is like Hollywood or celebrity culture.	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/09/25 05:17 AM
5	Not trying to be misogynistic or incelly but why do women get into relationships if at all? What is romantic love?	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/09/25 04:39 PM
3	Not trying to be misogynistic or incelly but why do women get into relationships if at all? Pragmatically they may not need a relationship, but they still crave one because of how important having one was for women for 99% of human history. Same reason people like being out in nature (Grug can eat plants and animals living in plants, no plants make Grug feel sad), having friends (friends can help Grug if danger comes, no friends make Grug scared and lonely), sweet foods (Grug feel strong), etc. Same reason women specifically like having a tall buff boyfriend/husband in particular. Same…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/09/25 04:25 PM
–	Women's ostensible attraction to "badboys" may just be misattribution of fear-based arousal The government = the most powerful people in society, using their influence in the media and academia to get the laws on the books and to establish the social conventions they want Bad boys = people who are less submissive and more defiant to government than average This is not hard to understand	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/09/25 11:36 AM
2	The reason women claim they have a worse dating life is cause they dated a HVM even if for a short time Chaad Is this a new meme? Did I miss something?	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/09/25 03:54 AM
1	What have been negative outcomes for society from feminism in your eyes? Do you think the civil rights movement has had downsides? Yes. One example - much of the black middle class in the United States moved out of segregated black communities to have a better/safer/easier life elsewhere as soon as this became legally and socially possible. While in many cases good for those people as individuals, it deprived the black community of many of their more capable teachers, doctors, lawyers, businessmen, and other professional people. Sort of analogous to brain drain from …	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/09/25 12:02 AM
1	We are being psyoped into caring about declining birth rates. What makes it obnoxious is how governments can't be bothered to ensure workers enjoy some of the fruits of productivity gains. And how they're letting employers use ever more surveillance technology to make the workplace a stressful nightmare, contact workers 24/7, etc. Make rent affordable again, stop employers f*cking with everyone, etc. and maybe the wagies will breed more again. Otherwise, it's just not happening - don't be tricked by religious/tradcuck/nationalist propaganda into making you…	/r/PurplePillDebate	05/09/25 03:19 AM
19	Women only use natural selection to attack men forgetting it consequences won't be decent for them I don't think you quite get it. Real life isn't a movie; your kids aren't necessarily going to be noble heroes who take down "the Elites" like in a Qboomer fantasy. In fact, for most of the sort of people having dating problems, this is almost certainly the case. Most of the plebs by definition are pawns, playthings and tools of the powerful. The fate of humanity is never going to be in the hands of such people, or their descendants if they have any.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/09/25 05:19 AM
14	Women only use natural selection to attack men forgetting it consequences won't be decent for them Or - more darkly, and quite the opposite - the plebs realise their unenviable position, and realise that keeping their bloodline alive for another generation of abject suffering and disempowerment would be a curse to them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/09/25 05:13 AM
0	Anytime a woman is giving a dating advice for men, that advice only works for men who don't need it. People say that Rules 1 & 2 are a trolling device or otherwise unhelpful - but I disagree. They sound like a joke, but in actual fact, they are highly revealing. So many guys blame being single on a single point of failure, like poverty, being short, being bald, being old, being autistic, etc., but the reality is that being generally attractive overall is what matters. This is a helpful reminder, and potentially a hopeful one (within reason), and brings to mind the Lord's Prayer about the things…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/09/25 05:11 AM
5	Women only use natural selection to attack men forgetting it consequences won't be decent for them Modern feminism is a pretty dead giveaway that you don’t see women as equal people just a PSA. Huh? I don't follow. My point is that everything we've been doing since we moved out of the caves isn't natural, so as a matter of being consistent and not a hypocrite, nobody should be using Appeal to Nature. Not tradcuck Christfags, not roasties or feminists, not the fuzzy hat pickup guys, nobody. We live in Civilisation, so it only makes sense to argue the merits of whatever it is that we want using…	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/09/25 05:01 AM
18	Women only use natural selection to attack men forgetting it consequences won't be decent for them happily I expect they were happily burned on funeral pyres to the extent that modern Ukrainian and Russian men happily march to their deaths for the heckin based motherland or whatever.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/09/25 04:58 AM
11	Women only use natural selection to attack men forgetting it consequences won't be decent for them I think they're quite honestly telling you they don't care about that, or about the ideal of liberalism in any form surviving at all after they're dead. Après moi le déluge. To be fair, they're in good company. They didn't invent the phrase Enjoy the decline.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/09/25 04:55 AM
6	Women only use natural selection to attack men forgetting it consequences won't be decent for them Modern feminism, democracy. etc. isn't natural, either. Nothing we've been doing since the beginning of civilisation is natural, by definition.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/09/25 04:53 AM
2	Do you agree with Iliza Schlesinger's take on hateful undesirable saying that it's "natural selection"? You can have Nature, or Civilisation. You cannot have both, because they are mutually exclusive. If there are Rules, we are free to discuss and disagree about what those Rules should be. This has nothing to do with Nature. If there are no Rules, there is nothing to discuss, by definition. Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law/May the Devil take the hindmost.	/r/PurplePillDebate	04/09/25 04:07 AM
–	Expecting autistic men to mask and upgrade their entire lives, especially dating, while not even giving them a chance or ever trying to approach them is hypocritical and illiberal. Using your little autism words like masking itself makes it sound like some considered thing, as if normies have thought about the matter deeply and made a considered, cruel decision that you have to put a lot of stress and effort into hiding who you are or whatever. It's really not that deep. They don't like autists because they're annoying. They just want you to be like the other apes, or failing that to be obviously a genius to compensate or whatever. It's a lot like being a foreigner in some…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/09/25 10:41 PM
6	CMV: We need to bring back Ladies Night (free entry) The bar and club scene as a dating environment is dead now because of dating apps. Now, it's just a place you go to enjoy drinks or music in a more lively environment - and that costs money. Women aren't a lure to draw men in, so they must pay too.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/09/25 03:09 PM
2	Men get so much more out of marriage than a woman does. To be honest, I suspect part of it is that previous generations of men (who were mostly married) naturally did end up relying on their wives to do many things for them. But men who stay single (just like single women) will find ways to manage slash cope without. Maybe not always well, but adequately. So many people in their 30s and 40s are still single that it's already happened. Think about how in the 1950s most men expected their wives to cook a proper square meal every evening - single guys t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/09/25 01:30 PM
5	Men get so much more out of marriage than a woman does. If she's implying single women can tough it out and take care of themselves, then so can single men.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/09/25 12:44 PM
5	Men get so much more out of marriage than a woman does. I could truly not imagine being a man and living alone without a wife or family but I could totally imagine living a fulfilling live as a single woman. Why?	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/09/25 12:06 PM
46	Gen Z men's life choices are the primary reason they're much more single than gen Z women; gen z women are finding equitable partners outside of heteronorms Is Just go gay, bro the new Just be Chad?	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/09/25 01:27 AM
3	Women frame their own toxic behaviors as harmless while condemning men’s We're not just talking about empowerment and disempowerment, though: we're also talking about the psychology of authority and dependence, which is not quite the same thing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/09/25 12:17 AM
21	Women frame their own toxic behaviors as harmless while condemning men’s Nobody gets hurt by literature. lol	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/25 10:40 PM
7	Women frame their own toxic behaviors as harmless while condemning men’s Wanting your partner to be subservient to you is different from, and worse than, wanting your partner to be more powerful than you, even if both are equally unrealistic. Regardless of gender. This is entirely arbitrary - the argument could be made (for example) that wanting your partner to be subservient (and less powerful) to you implies leadership and taking on more responsibility, while wanting your partner to be more powerful than you implies parasitism or whatever. That would be unfair, but…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/25 10:39 PM
11	Men should work harder for women Men just aren't going to want to work hard to be good beta providers if they are disposable anyway and Chad rides for free.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/25 01:27 PM
1	Why don’t more men use sex workers if their main goal is simply sex? Their main goal isn't sex - and this is increasingly true as men age.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/25 01:26 PM
1	Wow, older women really are full of baggage Realistically, being young is often good for other reasons, too. Many people experience health problems and cognitive decline - sometimes starting as early as their forties. If none of this is happening to you at all, then God bless you and keep you. It is, however, naïve of you to imagine that people might long for their youth only for extremely shallow reasons.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/25 12:56 PM
5	Women, are you consciously aware you treat attractive men differently? It's still interesting to consider the question of to what extent people are aware of how they are treating people in the moment, though - even if the fact that people do treat others different according to how attractive they are is obvious.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/25 04:26 AM
0	Wow, older women really are full of baggage I wasn't being entirely sarcastic; and if your life really does just keeps getting better and better like in the D-REAM song, I am sincerely happy for you. That said, I think it's safe to say that this is not entirely typical, and we should not be surprised or judgemental about those who feel otherwise, in my opinion.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/25 02:56 AM
1	Wow, older women really are full of baggage Great, I'm glad to hear you're so young at heart or whatever. Anyway, point is, older women being alpha widowed or whatever the red pill guys call it is just part of older people being stuck on the past generally.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/09/25 02:21 AM
17	Wow, older women really are full of baggage You don't need to be a young man who dates older women to realise that all older people will be somewhat living in the past. You just have to be an older person yourself. :/	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/08/25 04:59 PM
5	A relationship between a man and a woman cannot be equal. The woman holds all the power This isn't true if you're Chad and she picks you up.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/08/25 03:19 PM
1	Why do women do this? In the old days, we had this little thing called putting a ring on it...	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/08/25 12:17 AM
7	Why it's controversial when a man says "women are attracted to a small percentage of men" when women themselves agree with this statement in their spaces ? Depends how it's said. If you say it in a way that emphasises how bitter, lazy, and unmotivated so many men are today, then saying women aren't attracted to most men sounds justified, even righteous.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/08/25 01:45 PM
0	DISCUSSION🗨️ ABOUT MAIN PPD POSTS📮, LOOKS👀, AND N-COUNT🔢 ARE RESTRICTED🚫 FROM THE DAILY🌞 MEGATHREAD🧵 Sorry. I didn't mean to run away from the argument: my original comment is still here. The end result is what it is, though. There's obviously a spectrum of "harmful shit" - and if men feel like they're in an open-air prison and everything they do is subject to the female imperative, they're just not going to feel very masculine - and you end up with the society we have today.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/08/25 12:45 PM
6	Modern Western women are just digging thier own graves The unfortunate but obvious rejoinder to this one is that society forces men to do things they might rather not all the time: from individually taking on the burden of supporting children to defending the country in wartime. This is obviously a limitation on their freedom, but society insists on it anyway. Personally, I think that we should live in a more collectivist society that socialises all burdens - women don't like having their future happiness depending on the character of an individual …	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/08/25 05:11 AM
-2	Modern Western women are just digging thier own graves Funny guy. :D The beauty of this comment is that everyone can use their own imagination to fill in the gap, regarding who exactly you are referring to. Nietzsche, I presume? Evola, for the edgier? Or perhaps...	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/08/25 03:52 AM
3	Modern Western women are just digging thier own graves I'm pretty sure for example more Ukrainian men are being killed than women in the present war, tho. I'll admit to not really having looked into it, but I'm fairly sure the Germans went after men more than women during their invasion of the USSR as well.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/08/25 03:34 AM
4	Modern Western women are just digging thier own graves I suppose it is true that for example in the Israel/Palestine conflict and in places like the Congo, soldiers and fighters do brutally attack women perhaps just as much as men. I might have a sort of a Western blind-spot, as you suggest.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/08/25 03:27 AM
30	Modern Western women are just digging thier own graves Not really. In conflict, (mass) graves are mostly filled with mens' corpses, while women switch sides. That's how Nature works. :/ Obviously, some women also die in conflicts.	/r/PurplePillDebate	30/08/25 03:20 AM
4	The Pill is just a safety net for men who can’t deal with rejection. It’s just an ideology that you can point to while you run away from your problems. He means blackpill.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/08/25 08:17 PM
1	Why do I rarely find men to desire to be stay at home fathers for the purpose of raising their children? Powerful, having control or at the very least influence over the external world.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/08/25 05:13 PM
6	Why do I rarely find men to desire to be stay at home fathers for the purpose of raising their children? Men know for a fact that women (mostly) want men to be outgoing, dominant, doing things in the world, not changing nappies and cleaning the house. It's basically just like with men being submissive in the bedroom - a minority of men are into it, but the vast majority of women find it a turnoff. It's usually simpler for all involved for men to do more of what both comes naturally and women usually expect.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/08/25 04:44 PM
10	Women want to be sexy, but hate the men who sexualize them 1) Be attractive. 2) Don't be unattractive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/08/25 03:36 PM
18	Women want to be sexy, but hate the men who sexualize them All dating advice/discussion subs could be scrubbed tomorrow and replaced with a sticky that just reads Always remember to follow Rules 1 & 2. There's so much debate about jobs, personality, age, hair loss, obesity, style, money, etc. etc. when really if you're following Rules 1 & 2, you're going to be okay. If you're not following Rules 1 & 2, you're not going to be okay. People think That's too simple, but it's not really. Sometimes the truth is in face very simple.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/08/25 03:31 PM
29	Women want to be sexy, but hate the men who sexualize them Women want to be sexy, but hate the non-Chads who sexualize them	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/08/25 03:06 PM
1	We are being psyoped into caring about declining birth rates. I'd be all up for saving our people or whatever, but our overlords should consider throwing us a bone or two with much cheaper housing, higher minimum wage, worker protections, and generous unemployment benefits and pensions offered with a smile. I know they have the money somewhere. What's funny is I think the manosphere types have a point about quite frankly feminist laws making marriage and family less attractive to men - but if society was overall more generous to the working slob, the divor…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/08/25 04:38 AM
2	On OLD women definitely privilege the "alpha male" type of guy Women want power, the way everyone does and for the same reasons - having power gives you agency and the freedom to do and get what you want. To have your way. The inconvenient part is that they are also sexually attracted to men more powerful than them, and also the idea of men dominating them. This creates an obvious contradiction and problem.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/08/25 02:42 PM
1	35 yo single man is better off than a 35 yo single female You take my point, though. It is rather sobering for aging men to realise that aging women may feel the same about older men as they did at a younger age - but are now open to settling. You may be quite right that trying to date young women is still embarrassing and socially unacceptable and/or unaccepted for the vast majority of older men - but that might be a better argument for getting out of the game entirely - if it turns out young womens' preferences reflect what most womens' preferences r…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/08/25 12:53 AM
1	35 yo single man is better off than a 35 yo single female Why would the older woman and her friends, family, and strangers not think the same? Are you telling me 20-something year old women conveniently start loving ugly, old, stupid men as they get older? Why would they? This is the one argument that women make here that never really makes sense to me. They will wax lyrical about how fat, bald, wrinkly and disgusting old men surely seem to young women - but then will swear up and down at how older women are just gushing over these same characteristics…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/08/25 12:44 AM
6	Do women see a male lack of strive as a moral failure? I think people are somewhat deceived by this idea that women really want equality in relationships - in truth, I think women really do want Great Men, men who are larger than life, who accomplish great dreams or at least aspire to them. Men who make them feel lucky to know them, let alone be with them. What do women want? Basically the feeling of this video (go back and listen to the whole song, too, it's great). The fact that the vast majority of men seem so diminished in the modern world (whoe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/08/25 08:04 AM
3	35 yo single man is better off than a 35 yo single female In many circles, a 35 y/o single man will also be under pressure to settle down if most of his guy friends have. I don't know if this is true anymore - for either sex.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/08/25 04:09 AM
1	35 yo single man is better off than a 35 yo single female However the closer to his age he dates the more likely he will find something reasonably genuine. What does genuine mean? Older women willing to settle for Chud because Chad doesn't call back aren't necessarily much or at all more genuine than young women dating for free food and presents - they're just digging for comfort, not money. A sobering thought.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/08/25 03:58 AM
13	35 yo single man is better off than a 35 yo single female There's a lot of conditionals in your post. Many men are just drifting. Many men have debt and/or not much savings. Many men have let themselves go/lost their hair/both. Many men are not in a position to date anyone particularly attractive - some are not in a position to date anyone at all.	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/08/25 03:54 AM
–	I think discussions about x sex(which don't involve a single person from x sex) are fueling sexism and hate. women people under patriarchy are obsessed with hotness	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/08/25 06:16 AM
12	A lot of men who complain about attractive men being assholes and still getting laid are themselves bad men who wish they didn’t have to act like a good person in order to get laid. People are jealous of them, though - for being able to have more money, enjoy life more, etc. You may not, but some certainly do.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/08/25 04:48 AM
2	A lot of men who complain about attractive men being assholes and still getting laid are themselves bad men who wish they didn’t have to act like a good person in order to get laid. The argument then will be oofy doofy, "I've had my fun," etc.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/08/25 04:16 AM
20	A lot of men who complain about attractive men being assholes and still getting laid are themselves bad men who wish they didn’t have to act like a good person in order to get laid. Are you jealous that attractive men can get away with bad behavior? TBH, being jealous at other people for getting away with bad behaviour is quite common. It's why Tory politicians partying during COVID lockdown, tax cheats with star solicitors who get them out of trouble, etc. are hated so much by the public.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/08/25 04:02 AM
3	There is no such thing as an "invalid" or "shallow" reason not to date someone, every single dating preference is valid. Women could always choose to date only conservative, religious men that feel an obligation to have a relationship. They could even - wait until marriage, quaint as that sounds today. If they did so, many more men would seek to do the "right" thing, as it would also have become the expedient thing. People respond to incentives.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/08/25 08:12 AM
2	There is no such thing as an "invalid" or "shallow" reason not to date someone, every single dating preference is valid. True, but just overall being attractive means you'll have much more opportunities in the first place, after every time if and when you screw up - also the Halo Effect means that while Chad can get a reputation as a creep depending on how often and why he blows it, with Chud it's more of a certainty.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/08/25 06:51 AM
7	There is no such thing as an "invalid" or "shallow" reason not to date someone, every single dating preference is valid. The amusing but also sad reality is that the real reason for rejection in dating is almost always one and the same: Failure to follow Rules 1 & 2. Almost any or sometimes literally any of these reasons will be cast aside if the man (or woman; realistically more often man) is otherwise attractive enough. Which is why OVERALL following Rules 1 & 2 better is the best advice for anyone who wants to improve their dating.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/08/25 05:39 AM
–	Apparently women expect men to read their minds Women expect men to follow Rules 1 & 2 at all times.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/25 02:31 PM
2	Are men remotely offended by the idea that sex with them ruins and devalues a person? To say that me have to get together to kill other men (or at least fight other men in surrogate activities like football) in order to feel fraternal affection doesn't sound like it's quite an argument against mine, but alright...	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/25 02:21 AM
0	Are men remotely offended by the idea that sex with them ruins and devalues a person? The reason they aren't offended as you might think is that men generally have a very weak identification with one another. They don't naturally feel an affection and fellow-feeling the way women do - their natural tendency is to try and get as much power as possible for themselves or a small tight-knit group (and then use this power to get women). Maaaaybe as a nation. But never mankind as a whole. That's one reason why this manosphere stuff seems so weird and perverse to so many people - it is …	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/08/25 01:53 AM
2	Why do you think women attracted to majority of guys? Your title is wrong, it should read minority.	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/08/25 12:28 PM
1	Being a late bloomer comes with inexperience, but it also comes with lots of scars and baggage. The term has also been weaponized of late, and that’s worth brining up. Because humans are social creatures that need community and some semblance of companionship? Being isolated is unhealthy, literally any psychological expert and even medical expert will tell you it correlates with having more negative emotions, more coping, increased deterioration with time and so on. Sure used a lot of five dollar words here. I see you trust the science.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/25 03:44 PM
1	Being a late bloomer comes with inexperience, but it also comes with lots of scars and baggage. The term has also been weaponized of late, and that’s worth brining up. People have all kinds of different experiences in life that effect them in different ways. Some more sociable people will have had all kinds of issues of their own: breakups, consent issues, surprise babies/abortions, STDs, etc. They just move forward anyway. If you insist, I suppose you can call it "damage" if you want - or you could just say, things happen in life, and what happened to OP is just one kind of thing that can happen.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/25 03:41 PM
1	Being a late bloomer comes with inexperience, but it also comes with lots of scars and baggage. The term has also been weaponized of late, and that’s worth brining up. The whole thing - just like your comment here - reads to me as a giant self-indulgent, BetterHealth-inspired word salad. Why is isolation necessarily a problem? You don't need to "grow". You are who you are as a result of your experiences - you don't have to judge yourself negatively for not living life like in some teen sex comedy when you were younger. I admit I didn't read the whole thing very carefully, because it made me dizzy just looking at it.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/25 03:38 PM
1	Being a late bloomer comes with inexperience, but it also comes with lots of scars and baggage. The term has also been weaponized of late, and that’s worth brining up. You can get lost mate, that's just my opinion. You don't like it that's your problem.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/25 03:35 PM
1	Being a late bloomer comes with inexperience, but it also comes with lots of scars and baggage. The term has also been weaponized of late, and that’s worth brining up. You are making up problems where they don't necessarily exist (or assuming everyone else who has some things in common with you necessarily have them). You will have avoided both good and bad experiences other people have had. You also will have HAD experiences they haven't as a result of isolation. You don't need to to think of this as damage.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/25 03:33 PM
3	Being a late bloomer comes with inexperience, but it also comes with lots of scars and baggage. The term has also been weaponized of late, and that’s worth brining up. I take your point, but mine is still valid. OP is calling himself a late bloomer and wallowing in a myriad of neurotic assumptions about what this means, how it makes him a f\cked up person* and calling it healthy.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/25 03:27 PM
1	Being a late bloomer comes with inexperience, but it also comes with lots of scars and baggage. The term has also been weaponized of late, and that’s worth brining up. I think labels are bad, and this is basically just going around calling yourself an incel with a new label.	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/08/25 02:18 PM
2	Introverted men are boring to most women (even introverted women) getting knowledgeable about topics like politics, pop culture, literature, always asked questions back and women still got bored with me Not to be a jerk or anything, but there's a big difference between trying to stay up to date with what's in People Magazine (or the 21st century equivalent) and being intellectually stand-out. I'm not going to pretend that women will necessarily be impressed by math geniuses, polyglots, engineers, or any other category of nerd - but I suspect that the chances a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/08/25 10:56 AM
2	‘Chad’ isn’t real. He’s a character made of the amalgamated imagination of frustrated dudes online Basically.	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/08/25 02:14 AM
24	‘Chad’ isn’t real. He’s a character made of the amalgamated imagination of frustrated dudes online Chad is 100% real. 200% real, because he's larger than life. He's a man that makes women swoon when he walks into the room. He's a man that women hit on, rather than the other way around (often with unsolicited giggling, hand-holding, rubbing his arms or back with their breasts, compliments out of nowhere, etc. etc.). He's just better. He is often stunningly good-looking, but sometimes he is just overwhelming superior in some other aspect - intellectually, physically, or otherwise. If you've eve…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/08/25 01:35 AM
35	Many men’s dating problems come from expecting women to act like men. Equality doesn’t mean sameness. We have noticed - that's why feminists aren't pushing for more female street sweepers or binmen. Equality apparently means men are welcome keep doing more of the icky stuff women would rather not - but we definitely need more woman CEOs, parliamentarians, and executives.	/r/PurplePillDebate	11/08/25 02:15 PM
1	Most alpha/sigma grindset guys or dating coaches are really just normie/attractive men subconsciously preying on the undesirable https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zq_LakJTsIE "Luckily, I know literally everything there is to know about getting pussy."	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/08/25 04:20 PM
–	Introverted nerds can also be assholes, regardless of looks. I mean you're right obviously, but when dorks step out of line, society gives them a massive slapdown it doesn't give Chad. It's not that dorks can't be bad people, but if they do it's much easier for the average woman to punish them. Just think of some of the classic hits of bad guy things men can do: Cheating. Sleeping around. Buying sex. Dating too young/hitting on girls too young. All of these things are perceived much, much worse if the guy looks like a creepy chud. Some of them dorks may a…	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/08/25 03:35 AM
1	“Men want to be truly desired” is just code for “I want to be treated like a Sex God”. I want to be treated like a princess though. UwU	/r/PurplePillDebate	09/08/25 07:38 AM
1	Women’s Dating Problems Are 100% Their Own Fault Obviously women could unironically demand marriage before any action happens, ruling out men who don't want to commit, by definition. That wouldn't be much fun, though.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/08/25 11:31 AM
1	Introverted nerds still can't also be assholes like attractive bad boys If you're truly blackpilled, it's probably still best to become a better nerd even if it means being as unsuccessful with women as ever than to become an unhappy gymcel, or moneymaxx betacuck, though. At least you can say I did it my way (within reason).	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/08/25 10:59 AM
–	Introverted nerds still can't also be assholes like attractive bad boys This is why nerds should really nerdmaxx and just be good at their nerd things. Trying to be like Chad and Tyrone is just cringe (yes I'm looking at you, white and Asian wiggers). B yourself is a cliche - but sometimes b-ing yourself is still better than trying to be someone else. Okay, maybe don't really be yourself if yourself is a pathetic loser - but you can be the better, more successful version of yourself. Whatever kind of person you are, think about who the better version of this kind is…	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/08/25 06:43 AM
4	Regulating dating apps will improve male mental health I don't think this is a good comparison at all. Dating apps change how society works in general; they dramatically effect how replaceable men themselves feel - and are perceived by women. They also change how men see and behave towards women, knowing how much accessible competition there is out there at any given time (e.g. men even who meets a woman ye olde wholesome in person way can feel more cucked/like they're potentially blowing it by being a gentleman, knowing she could quite possibly be …	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/08/25 06:20 AM
7	How do you all talk about this online discourse in real life? Basically, Chadchud can let his freak flag fly (somewhat) like in the Chadfishing experiment, Billy Beta is either bluepilled or can convincingly pretend he is, and the truly embittered/radical/failed dude probably avoids women. There are not going to be many men in a position AND willing to go full Let me tell you about women... ON women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	08/08/25 06:14 AM
6	Movie about the problems men have in dating being evaluated for wealth and height Matchmaking of any kind is a humiliation ritual, certainly in the modern world. It was okay in the 17th century or what have you, but today you're talking about the dregs who didn't successfully get matched at work, school, bars, clubs, or in the IG/Tinder/[insert social media/dating online meat market here]. The very bottom of the barrel, for both sexes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9_kTZCEAFY	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/08/25 03:37 PM
5	If women actually dropped their standards, men would feel too emasculated Aaaaand this is why I stay away from tradcons; I always remind myself they'd have me with my guts hanging outside my body in the fields of Eastern Ukraine in the end. They're not my friend; they are thinking about the meme tribe, not me. I mean, you're literally even saying the quiet part out loud here.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/25 11:26 AM
3	If women actually dropped their standards, men would feel too emasculated Women oppose re empowering men because of cultural propaganda. This might be tradcope. The darker reading of things is that women oppose re-empowering men, because they respect only the man able to empower himself and rise above the mass of men (even him doing so in coalition with other men is suspect - they want him to do it himself, i.e. heroically, which isn't very practical for 99% of men).	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/25 11:14 AM
1	If women actually dropped their standards, men would feel too emasculated Were men happy, though?	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/25 11:11 AM
6	If women actually dropped their standards, men would feel too emasculated We might be seeing something of a return to these attitudes among a minority of men; but ironically, I think most men are now a bit gooey and sensitive for this (not even towards women in terms of benevolence (although this may be part of it); but I think actually more men are not willing to be settled for compared to in the past). I think men in the past were more willing to accept a woman not loving him that much and perhaps not at all. The perceived benefits of having a woman around to cook, …	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/25 11:03 AM
7	If women actually dropped their standards, men would feel too emasculated There is something to what women here often say, Men wouldn't actually like it if we all started settling. What men actually want is for women to sincerely be attracted to a greater proportion of men, which is not easy to arrange in a society where more and more men seem objectively more pathetic and powerless practically by the minute as a result of both the march of technology and specific activism almost designed to achieve this effect. It's easy to suggest simply disempowering women to make …	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/25 10:46 AM
1	The below 80% of men should strive to get dating apps removed I suspect the brutally honest truth is that a lot of older women are getting their backs broken by young guys who don't fancy putting in the hard slog to get a girlfriend their own age/attractiveness level, whereas historically they'd have matched IRL with their peers more often.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/25 09:54 AM
2	The below 80% of men should strive to get dating apps removed To be fair, you are of course older, and none of us are in a position to judge how gracefully you have aged. I still am inclined to agree in general.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/25 09:46 AM
1	The below 80% of men should strive to get dating apps removed The top 10% in a bar or club is different than a dating app with thousands or even tens of thousands of people within a 10 mile radius. I agree with your assumption that the most attractive men in any given social context will attract a disproportionate amount of attention, but to say that these are the same things is obviously absurd, even if you want to quibble about how many people a woman can practically meet in a bar or club context.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/25 08:39 AM
3	The below 80% of men should strive to get dating apps removed I think you're mistaken to assume that women didn't feel different about their husbands before the current dating landscape came about - and you're speaking in absolutes. Obviously, there were beta provider/cleanup crew husbands in the past - but it's not unreasonable to suspect that access to media, social media, and dating apps literally makes women feel differently about only somewhat above-average men than they used to. You can see this as just showing their true nature - but environment doe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/25 08:33 AM
8	The below 80% of men should strive to get dating apps removed Without apps: Top men still monopolize attention (just at bars instead of Tinder). Average men still struggle (but now with less visibility). This is delusional - the game was different before apps; in any bar at any given time there are only a few dozen people and you're usually only going to talk to some of them - on dating apps, you can potentially introduce yourself to hundreds of people in a short time. I don't know why people blatantly cope like this.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/25 08:28 AM
2	The below 80% of men should strive to get dating apps removed I am sitting in Mainland China right now and can still access TikTok on VPN. Maybe India is tougher on you guys because TikTok is a threat to national security or whatever - but I find it hard to imagine that if you use a Western VPN service with a US or UK server that you can't get through.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/25 08:24 AM
5	The below 80% of men should strive to get dating apps removed The below 80% of men should strive to get dating apps removed And yet this is precisely why most won't. Being upset that dating apps exist is not exactly a pussy-moistener - generally speaking it's difficult to be a reactionary against the Sexual Revolution without signalling to society that you aren't getting any. The bar to being an attractive chud is even higher than the bar to being an attractive man in general. You have to basically look like a male model to pull this off.	/r/PurplePillDebate	06/08/25 04:51 AM
–	Under what circumstances would a younger woman be willing to realistically date an older man? 1) Be attractive. 2) Don't be unattractive.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/08/25 03:48 AM
0	Do you think if women settled down when they were in the 20s and / or college that there would be less problems with women finding men attractive ? Quite likely, and this goes for both sexes. Most people just don't look as good as they get much older, and the unfortunately reality is that it's harder for anyone to be attracted to them. :/ Sounds harsh, but is obvious.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/08/25 03:01 PM
0	If men are the historical oppressors of women, like feminists say, then why do feminists still date men? Aren’t they the oppressors? In the gender war, it's been historically close to impossible to prevent significant fraternisation on either side, tbh. This is a glib line, but it does work both ways. There's a reason why One blowjob from going back to the plantation is a popular MGTOW mantra and warning.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/08/25 02:48 PM
-1	CMV: BetaBucks is framed too beautifully. The reality is that when a woman settles in looks for a less physically developed man, she infatilizes the man, treats him as a child without a sex drive and also puts impossible labor demands on him, like a toxic mother-son relationship. Let's be fair, though - the trad crowd (ideally) want you to couple up with someone as soon as possible. The idea is that if people date and marry as soon as possible, everyone involved is at least young and pretty attractive and fuckable because no-one's gotten (that) fat yet. There's a certain logic to it, even if it's not that practical or feasible in a modern capitalist society.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/25 09:25 AM
47	CMV: BetaBucks is framed too beautifully. The reality is that when a woman settles in looks for a less physically developed man, she infatilizes the man, treats him as a child without a sex drive and also puts impossible labor demands on him, like a toxic mother-son relationship. This is not well-organised and it's hard to understand. My opinion on the betabucks meme is that pure betabucks is rarer than it used to be because quite frankly fewer men than ever are in a financially dominant position in a relationship. What's more common is just quietly co-dependent relationships, where both people are insecure, scared of being alone, and have found someone acceptable in the same position to lean all over.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/25 09:21 AM
2	If a vast majority of men got laid easily, the United States would be a quasi socialist country right now I mean, I'm sure they are. Still the Shaniquas and Karens aren't really doing a great job of making guys not be infuriated at them.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/25 04:31 AM
1	If a vast majority of men got laid easily, the United States would be a quasi socialist country right now This argument doesn't have to be too personal (and really shouldn't be, since talking about how politics works is really about groups, not individuals). What I admit or don't admit isn't important - what is, is how the mob thinks and operates. I'm hardly arguing on behalf of the white man per se - it's not like the future of anything depends on what I do or don't admit. It's all good fun.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/25 04:28 AM
1	If a vast majority of men got laid easily, the United States would be a quasi socialist country right now end racism, give women reproductive rights I mean, of course that's been a part of the progressive agenda since Day 1, but because reasons, many white guys just are not going to support any platform that includes this anymore because new demographic and social realities mean they aren't seen the same way they were by ordinary white men in the early 20th century in most of the West; we're approaching a South Africa 1948 moment. A shame for progressives who can't give them up, obviously. That's ju…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/25 04:14 AM
6	If a vast majority of men got laid easily, the United States would be a quasi socialist country right now This smacks of magical thinking - no house, no job security or workplace protections, but Steve Jobs did give us the iPhone!	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/25 04:05 AM
7	If a vast majority of men got laid easily, the United States would be a quasi socialist country right now My impression is that most especially young progressive activists especially those with sway, are mostly IDpol-obsessed diversity people and culture war types - while your version of "progressives" are a handful of relatively irrelevant, aging, bookish Marxist ideologues without much influence or popularity. If I've got it wrong, I'm open to correction.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/25 04:03 AM
8	If a vast majority of men got laid easily, the United States would be a quasi socialist country right now The progressive left is trying to give the rich’s wealth and give it to the lower income individuals who need it—men included. If that's all they were doing, they'd say so. What happened to No War But the Class War? You and I both know the answer.	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/25 03:54 AM
1	If a vast majority of men got laid easily, the United States would be a quasi socialist country right now Even if I concede to your point: So what? Why should anyone waste time and effort sucking up to them? When the rich man uses the law to manipulate things and basically vote himself more wealth and power without doing any real work, why should you give him the nod for doing so more than when whiny progressives try do it (but pathetically and ineptly)? Why is it lazy freeloading and theft when the pink-haired black transwoman in a wheelchair does it, but just part of the game when the man in a sui…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/25 03:52 AM
7	If a vast majority of men got laid easily, the United States would be a quasi socialist country right now Should you though? They're absolutely tilting the playing field at the expense of the common man. They're laughing - while you work harder and harder just to stay above the rising water. They've deliberately made it this way - they use inflation to feed themselves and starve everyone else. It's cucked to lick their boots for doing this, even if it's objectively a job well done. Rationally, dudes should be just about as mad at them as they are at the left - but honestly, I think another part of i…	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/25 03:37 AM
13	If a vast majority of men got laid easily, the United States would be a quasi socialist country right now However men vote, they're voting against their own interests. Putting it crudely: If they vote left, they're voting for Government to take their prestige jobs, social power, and wealth - and give it to women and minorities by fiat. If they vote right, they're voting for Government to give it all to a wealthy minority who use the tools of state to make themselves even richer and more powerful than ever, make workplace conditions worse, cut the minimum wage, pollute the air, etc. Neither is great …	/r/PurplePillDebate	31/07/25 03:27 AM
–	Why do you assume men are only looking for sex? Not a woman, so posting here. Many men would want a relationship in an Absolut world, but because of the way things are are genuinely frightened of putting themselves in a position to be controlled or dominated by a woman in modern society (even if women may feel it was the other way around before making angry men whiny hypocrites), and so go for the sneaky fucker strategy instead (although that's starting to dry up now too because of MeToo and other reasons). Anyway yeah more men than ever befo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/07/25 04:28 AM
4	Is there change in the apprehension of male flight? My sense is that more men in the proverbial dating "middle class" are bowing out, and being single is less stigmatised than it used to be (strength in numbers). This won't change chopped dudes being naturally perceived as such obviously the evidence is in front of your eyeballs if a dude is obviously ugly, fat, bald, or fucked up in the head, but being single itself isn't as assumed to be a case of MSTOW as it used to be, if the dude seems like he could be fucking if he wanted to.	/r/PurplePillDebate	29/07/25 03:30 AM
–	Commitment from a man with no other options means nothing realistically. Makes you reassess the supposed nobility of being the common man, the salt of the earth in practice. Perhaps more the human cattle.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/25 05:18 AM
–	Commitment from a man with no other options means nothing realistically. Jumping to conclusions. I'm not pushing for anything in particular, just that's how it was.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/25 05:12 AM
–	Commitment from a man with no other options means nothing realistically. Something doesn't have to work perfectly to work in terms of shaping overall social dynamics. Marriage 1.0 got people together long enough to get the woman preggers, get her trapped and keep the wheels of society turning and every man with his nose to the grindstone. That was sufficient, and was the point.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/25 05:01 AM
-1	Escorts are the best option for undesirable men He can probably have his night with an escort and then go back to being productive in the world. That's depressing, though. And think of the language you're using... productive? Why? In what way? Producing what? For who? The whole Dealing with the problem, Getting the poison out attitude to this... driving force seems squalid to me. That's just me though.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/25 04:55 AM
-1	Escorts are the best option for undesirable men Ultimately though this will be empty and a waste of time. Even if it makes you a bit happier, it's for the weak (sorry for the judgement). Life should be entirely purposeful, and filled with sincere emotions and motivations, for better or worse. Better for a man to be filled with sorrow loneliness and spitefulness, or even anger and hatred than tepid, lazy contentment. Especially a man who's failing at life entirely should not take this path - and instead (ideally) use his negative emotions to d…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/25 01:28 AM
–	Commitment from a man with no other options means nothing realistically. Well yeah people got bored and got rid of it so here we are now. Different strokes for... different generations.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/25 01:20 AM
–	Commitment from a man with no other options means nothing realistically. I mean, you're right - but in the old days we had something to deal with this problem: monogamy. If we have an expectation for people to stay with one person they picked first, this stops them sleeping around without being shunned by society and called cheaters and slags. Crazy idea, eh?	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/07/25 01:16 AM
–	The Manosphere Thrives On The Hostility of Its Detractors Society will have to reckon with why people don't have hope in the future and are attracted to the griftosphere in the first place. But that is more difficult.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/07/25 10:25 AM
0	Women don't know themselves or what they want They know exactly what they want - a powerful man who can have a close relationship with her from a position of strength. In modern society, though, it's hard to be strong - most men realise they're going to be on the backfoot, which is why they flee from deep involvement or commitment with women.	/r/PurplePillDebate	25/07/25 05:15 PM
0	Average guys are expected to abide different rules when it comes to dating Are you new... to life? 1) Be attractive and 2) Don't be unattractive are the only real rules of dating for a reason.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/07/25 07:24 AM
8	Is a good physique overrated when it comes to attraction? I think it's more important at the extremes, i.e. avoiding scrawniness or obesity is more important than being ripped or whatever. But we also quite frankly have to keep in mind that infidelity is a thing. Just because you see a man and woman walking around together doesn't mean she isn't getting something from some other guy on the side.	/r/PurplePillDebate	19/07/25 03:48 PM
1	The market depicts your value, not you The analogy isn't perfect, because in this particular market the "products" may be withheld and not go on auction at all. There needn't be a wakeup call of any kind, the products can be kept on the shelf forever.	/r/PurplePillDebate	15/07/25 11:33 AM
3	What Defines Red Pill? No Red Pill flair, so posting here. Red Pill changed/declined because pickup and casual became more risky in the era of social media, MeToo and AreWeDatingTheSameGuy. Another thing that happened is that the Red Pill gurus got older and started to question the point of it all. Enjoy the decline is easier said than done, especially if you're the one on the decline. No family, no future. I think another part of it is that dating apps started to make the idea of everyone just playing around forever …	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/07/25 02:40 PM
–	For most of human history, "love" was almost a fictional concept, marriages and relationships were based on resources, the notion of romantic relationships as we see today did not become widespread until the 20th century Being in a somewhat or entirely loveless relationship was a better deal in the past for both men and women than it is now. Housework used to take more time and was more necessary without washing machines, vacuum cleaners, and processed food. If you were a somewhat successful man and lived in a whole house rather than a bedsit or whatever you were going to need a woman to look after it, so why not a wife instead of just a housekeeper - even if you weren't over the moon you were still going to hav…	/r/PurplePillDebate	14/07/25 10:01 AM
5	“Women are selectors” but redpillers constantly complain about never wanting fat women, older women, and single moms. No-one is starving. That is the difference between not having women and food. Even if some angsty teenagers occasionally get so upset no-one is playing with them that they get a gun and start blowing people away.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/25 12:07 PM
24	“Women are selectors” but redpillers constantly complain about never wanting fat women, older women, and single moms. Everyone is a selector - because everyone has the choice of staying single.	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/25 11:32 AM
–	People cannot really expect others to believe them when they claim that people with differing interests, or neurotypical and neurodiverse people, can have fulfilling relationships when the evidence around us suggests that they cannot Women and men don't have to have everything in common. Some women actually like having different hobbies and interests than their husbands and it makes them feel more womanly to have their own things and see the man having the same. Other women like doing everything together. The fact that some women get annoyed or irritated with mens' hobbies doesn't mean everyone will. Let's face it, lots of people generally end up breaking up for all kinds of reasons. Playing the same video games or watching …	/r/PurplePillDebate	13/07/25 06:46 AM
3	We should start sexualizing men Women are absolute dogs and act like your creepy uncle around men they're actually attracted to already. This kind of post is funny for the same reason the Women should ask men out first posts are. Women already simp for Chad and always have.	/r/PurplePillDebate	12/07/25 03:56 AM
–	Love and sex is not a right Devil's advocate: Neither is a hard-working, motivated, loyal, particularly law-abiding male population. there should never be any control over it There are a myriad of rules that control sexuality.	/r/PurplePillDebate	10/07/25 05:51 AM
1	Serious: Why do you think people on reddit (and the real world) are so disgusted by the MensRights subreddit/movement? This is also part of it. People here tiptoe around it, but a massive reassessment of feminism by society almost certainly would mean women losing out. Some things are a zero-sum game.	/r/MensRights	07/07/25 05:19 AM
1	Serious: Why do you think people on reddit (and the real world) are so disgusted by the MensRights subreddit/movement? The elephant in the room here is that people hate losers and whiners. No matter how correct you may be on any given issue, the monkey brain thinks about men: If you're complaining you're not winning, and If you're not winning, you are literally on the wrong side (because the right side is the winning one). Feminists didn't have this problem, because whining and complaining is more socially accepted if you're a woman. Some guys even have a sort of fetish for it: Google sajiao.	/r/MensRights	07/07/25 05:17 AM
2	A lot of men on here underrate the importance of personality I was more thinking of the redemption arc of being successful at an older age (academically, financially, etc.). Some guys get all wrapped up in the idea that this is a sign of not really being the right stuff compared to Chad who is successful in high school, but in fact if this tendency to persevere is itself considerably innate and hereditary along with every aspect of one's personality and tendencies, then this idea may be mistaken. Potentially disturbing implications for the notion of free …	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/25 02:36 AM
–	A lot of men on here underrate the importance of personality I agree - plus even for the blackpill people, the truth is that personality and perseverance are likely somewhat hereditary as well. Meaning that if you push through and become successful (and this isn't just a dating thing, but an everything thing) despite some serious flaws, this isn't necessarily a case of you defying your "genetically determined" fate - being a winner may have happily been in you all along, just the full expression delayed. You may in fact not "become" a winner or worse "pre…	/r/PurplePillDebate	07/07/25 02:12 AM
–	Existence of cuckold porn proves that more men than you think want to be cucked My impression here is that a lot of men are (understandably) worried about someone else sleeping with their girlfriend or wife (especially in the case of the latter because in the event of her leaving you it usually means her running away with your house kids and half your money). Society basically forces men into rather one-sided committed relationships, then makes fun of them for not being good enough, big enough, successful enough, etc. when what happens happens. Some men get so tired of worr…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/07/25 02:30 AM
–	CMV: Men would be disgusted if women were as sexual as they were I don't think so, simply because the biological nature of the two sexes is such that women will always be more afraid of men than the other way around (even when this is irrational due to changes in society). We actually do know what it's like when women are like this: just ask (or be) Chad. In reality, men can be somewhat irritated by and tired of too much female sexual attention, but it doesn't seem to cause the same level of upset that the reverse does.	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/06/25 01:57 PM
1	Anti-feminist men are triggered snowflakes too. I guess you're right that that was an oversimplification. Real traditional conservatives always had a hankering for censorship against porn, communists, etc. Perhaps it's more accurate to say that the libertarians decided leftists were more dangerous and so have given up some of their more liberal ideas. American discourse is always a little weird, because ideas (like freedom of speech) that were traditionally thought of as being liberal are often now thought of as "conservative/right-coded" and…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/25 12:43 AM
9	Anti-feminist men are triggered snowflakes too. What's started to happen is that everyone's openly playing the same game: openly using every strategy they think may help get "their" group at least a little more power and grind down the other side. Until relatively recently conservatives were still playing libertarian, and liked their self-image as guardians of freedom too much to openly seek to muzzle their perceived rivals and enemies, but now everyone is essentially on the same page. Because why not seek to stop your enemies spreading their…	/r/PurplePillDebate	26/06/25 12:30 AM
7	If the men on here somehow managed to convince all women to lower their standards, (negotiation of attraction) you can’t convince them to genuinely be happy in those relationships The nature of modern society does in practice make people more discontent and dissatisfied though, and the sense of infinite options in dating is just one part of this. Mass media with its infinite audiovisual imagery of every place, person, and luxury imaginable for thousands of miles around, the Internet which allows you to communicate instantly across these distances and the technical possibility to physical travel thousands of miles in a day create infinite opportunities for... chasing or at…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/25 02:27 PM
–	What is there to debate? Unfortunately though if you don't age exceptionally well, your life is going to be in general less fun as you get older no matter what because of physical decline, responsibilities or no responsibilities. 30 isn't the new 20 and cant be.	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/25 07:22 AM
–	What is there to debate? I'm just saying, I'm not sure women actually do know what they're doing. Young(er) people of both sexes don't really know what they're doing. My point is, while men really hate the I've had my fun, and I'm ready to settle down now thing, I suspect the first half of this is more biological than wilfully Machiavellian. Young women are doing what they do for the same reason that young men do what they do (when they have the opportunity). It's just Nature. Not wanting to be the settle-down guy is un…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/25 07:13 AM
–	What is there to debate? No flair, so posting here. Not to be captain bluepill here but I think some women honestly don't realise that they're "hunting for a beta" or whatever. They're getting older, they're slowing down, they want more comfort and predictability... I can see why men would want not to be wanted for these things, but I also can see why older women may genuinely start wanting different things in life. Part of it is that as I myself get older, I understand it personally a bit more, through my own experienc…	/r/PurplePillDebate	24/06/25 07:01 AM
1	If age gap relationships are wrong because of the power dynamic, so are hypergamous ones The real reason you know the narrative is bollocks is that the usual suspects get more upset with age-gap relationships when the older guy is an undersocialised, inexperienced weirdo. If they were really worried about manipulation, pump and dump, cheating etc. they'd be most worried about rich, smooth-talking, handsome player types, but no - they're most worried about shy, socially awkward guys supposedly trying to get what they don't deserve.	/r/PurplePillDebate	23/06/25 01:37 AM
4	Do women only valuable from teens to early 20s? Posting here because no flair. I think what's started to happen is that everyone is getting more superficial because of social media and dating apps. Men are more effected by this in terms of having chances to date because of the massive ramping up of competition, but for precisely the same reasons as some men, older and less attractive women will have a worse time in society now than they used to, because... ... guys on dating see no particular reason to favour women of their own age. Especiall…	/r/PurplePillDebate	22/06/25 05:00 AM
8	Men’s lives don’t suck because men repress their feelings or hide them, men’s lives suck because society doesn’t care about them Since women bear children Not so much anymore.	/r/PurplePillDebate	21/06/25 03:29 PM
1	Men are honestly shooting themselves in the foot by dating very young women They are, but it's not the 2000s anymore, older women are all on Facebook or whatever too instead of TikTok, and are perfectly capable of causing a man trouble. Maybe not the extent that young cute things are able to raise veritable armies of angry women and white knights as well, but again it's a matter of degree and not kind. I still don't think this is going to be a particularly convincing argument - and the sort of men most likely to actually change what they do in the dating sphere based on…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/06/25 05:12 AM
1	Men are honestly shooting themselves in the foot by dating very young women I actually agree with you in the case of the vast majority of older men. The problem though is that even though its impolite to be open about it, a lot of older women are also using older men for their money or comfort rather than because they're really attracted to them. Some older men will perhaps decide it's better to live in a pleasant fantasy than an unpleasant reality.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/06/25 05:06 AM
2	Men are honestly shooting themselves in the foot by dating very young women When she divorces you, just get a younger and hotter woman to replace her. This is not going to be an option for the average slob who ends up in the gutter or at least some awful bedsit because she took half, let's be real. Then again, average slobs aren't going to be divorced by hot young women because they will not ever be "lucky" enough to be in that position in the first place.	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/06/25 05:03 AM
6	Men are honestly shooting themselves in the foot by dating very young women Moreover, social media and TikTok encourage people to air all their dirty laundry. You don't want to be the target of some vague accusations about how you took advantage of a younger person. And these accusations don't even need to be substantiated to cause damage. This can happen regardless the age of the woman. This is less an argument for dating older women in particular, and more an argument for MGTOW or whatever. Also, men who choose women based on fear, social respectability and what TikTo…	/r/PurplePillDebate	20/06/25 04:35 AM
4	The biggest reason dating & relationships are broken today is because men are comparing themselves to HOT men, mistaking how women interact with them as true measure of attraction, and giving up when their own experiences don't match Oscar Wilde was seated next to an elegant lady at a dinner party. The conversation became animated and contesting, and Wilde asked the women if she would go to bed with him for one million pounds. The woman was flustered, but upon consideration said Yes, she probably would. Wilde then asked if she would go to bed with him for five shillings. The woman exclaimed indignantly, “Of course not! What kind of woman do you think I am?” Wilde replied: “We’ve already established that, madam. Now we’re jus…	/r/PurplePillDebate	17/06/25 03:39 PM
0	Why Having an Obsessed Partner Is Actually an Advantage Thanks ChatGPT!	/r/PurplePillDebate	16/06/25 01:10 PM