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There's no need to be passive aggressive, I was being sincere. If you don't want to believe that boys are criticised, beaten down and given body image issues the same way girls are, then you are no better than the men who say they'd want to be a girl because they'd have it easy and get treated better. I have sisters, we've talked about our childhoods and they saw mine; no one is exempt from childhood trauma.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 02:06 AM
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I feel like you just want to get something off your chest and I'm not really sure I'm the person for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 01:48 AM
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You originally said "I would have loved to have grown up without comments being made about my body" I pointed out that boys aren't exempt from that. I have no doubt you've had bad experiences and there are girls and boys out there who were driven to suicide by how the adults in their life treated them, it's not a competition.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 01:39 AM
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My brother in law is over a decade older than me, he wasn't a peer, he was a grown ass man, same with my mother and her partner. I had teachers comment on my weight gain and medical condition as well. I also had one female teacher who used to stand behind me at my desk and run her fingers through my hair and moan softly to herself, I was too young to realise just how weird that was. Being a girl isn't what you think it is either, apparently. I haven't said anything about what girls experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 01:31 AM
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Me? No, I'm sure some boys have been told similar things though. However my mother criticised me for my hair style and what I wore, I developed a visible medical condition in my mid teens, consequently I kind of gave up on life and got a bit fat, people, including my family, commented negatively on both. I tan very well, despite being the whitest man alive, and I would get ocassional, bordeline racist remarks, once a girl said I looked like someone had smeared shit all over me. I started growing…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 01:25 AM
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Just because one benefit of beauty can be increased sexual attention No I mean sexually attractive women are more likely to get jobs, promotions, get treated with more respect, have better dating prospects and so on, by most measures they are treated better than attractive women, because they are mode sexually appealing. When you step out onto the street in a city for example, you will see women in all states of dress. Heels, no heels. Makeup, no makeup. Slacks, dresses. Tight clothing, full hij…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/24 12:21 AM
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I would have loved to have grown up without comments being made about my body We get comments about our bodies and, unless we're jacked or tall, it's only ever negative.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 11:24 PM
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I suppose I haven't been clear, I mean it in the context of women beautifying themselves, that is achieved by accentuating things that are sexually appealing. No woman is trying to make herself look like an animal or a landscape painting. When we talk about the benefits of beauty, they are rooted in how much we as a species deify sexually attractive people and are biased toward judging and treating them better.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 11:10 PM
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It's no different to women hiding their sexual past.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 09:24 PM
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👍
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 08:20 PM
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Any woman can be easy for the right man, that doesn't mean any one man has easy access to all women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 07:26 PM
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I don't remember claiming you would.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 06:59 PM
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So idk maybe read what men say here more, idk Even if we accept that this person is an authority on the male experience, why would the conclusion from what they say be that men spend the majority of their life bending over backwards to have sex with as much attractive women as possible? Could you not also conclude that men spend the majority of their lives vetting women for who would be a suitable mother?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 06:57 PM
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Yeah, but what is beauty and desirability? It's sex appeal, no? I'm not disputing there are benefits among men and women for being seen as beautiful, but at it's core, it is all about being sexually appealing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 04:59 PM
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Those benefits come from being sexually appealing to men as a group though, so how is it not about that?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 04:47 PM
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For the majority of men’s lives they try to acquire sex from good looking women frequently. They bend over backwards and try to acquire as much sex with as many beautiful women as humanly possible. How are you reading this figuratively? OP is saying men are hornier and they spend more time thinking about how to get sex How to get sex isn't a constant thought in men's minds, they may think about having sex more than women, I can't really say, but men do not dedicate the majority of their lives sc…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 02:01 PM
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I haven't said any of those things. All I've said is that most men don't spend the "majority of their lives" "bend[ing] over backwards" trying to "acquire as much sex with as many beautiful women as humanly possible", what most men in fact do is approach women rarely and, when they do approach, prefer it not to be a cold approach. I'd even argue that women are, in fact, the ones who put inordinate time, energy and mental effort into being sexually appealing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 01:10 PM
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There's all sorts of people out there in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 12:58 PM
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For the majority of men’s lives they try to acquire sex from good looking women frequently. They bend over backwards and try to acquire as much sex with as many beautiful women as humanly possible. They don't though, I feel like a broken record because I keep bringing this up, but the majority of men approach women once a year or less. This caricature of man, that he is constantly pursuing sex, and going to great lengths to get it, is not reality. The players and chasers are a minority of men th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 09:23 AM
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I know this is somewhat tangential, but I often wonder why women go to such lengths to make themselves sexually appealing to men as a group, if there is no value in being sexually desirable to men as a group?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 09:13 AM
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I love the purple pill because it's the only place where I can read something like that and laugh because the person posted it with complete sincerity I always find it fascinating how people like that believe what they're saying as well. I often wonder if it's an ego thing; they need to believe that all the good in their life was something they achieved, rather than something given to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 08:40 AM
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If you were 5'5" you'd have lived a completely different life.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 08:38 AM
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People don't want to listen. If you've ever known an attractive man, you know how easy any woman can be when you see those guys tear through them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 08:32 AM
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For access to sex, definitely, but I don't think it does for actual sexual attraction. Women like rich and powerful men for the lifestyle they can provide, the broke bums that can still pull women are the one's experiencing pure desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 08:23 AM
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Who are you all hanging around? I can think of one guy I've known like that and he was a legit sex addict.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/24 08:14 AM
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Every woman I've found out liked me didn't really act any different to all the other women I've been friends with, either I'm some Chad and every woman I've ever known has been into me or there's no real way to know without either asking them or having them tell you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/24 12:50 PM
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I personally think OLD photos should be mugshot style, makeup free and with no filters or editing of any kind.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 03:04 PM
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To add to your comment, ~50% of young men have never even approached a woman, so the idea that the majority of men are flakey players is laughable, it's just selection bias because flakey players are who women select.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 09:47 AM
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I'm in my mid 30s and have only met 4 women in my life I wanted a relationship with; women worth comitting to are rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 09:36 AM
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Yeah, at that time as well I'd started working in a city she'd already been living in, most of my friends there were people she'd introduced me to or people I knew through people she'd introduced me to, so if it had gone south I'd potentially be cut off from a group of friends I was really happy with.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 07:53 AM
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The main difference is that men generally work on the same timeframes for intimacy, it's just that the women they don't want to commit to have a glass ceiling. Women will often be more upfront and open about sex with the guys they want only sex with and wait/play it slow with the commitment guys, where this frustrates men is that women aren't particularly diverse in their overall tastes, often men are categorised into the same "casual" or "comittment" boxes by the majority of women, so a small g…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 07:03 AM
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even if I didn't technically ask them out, I made it really obvious that I liked them or someone else did Every time women claim to "approach" men it's always these games. This reminds of a friend of mine, she would do stuff like get our mutual friends to set up a sort of "double date", noone told me that's what it was, she'd invite me to hang out with her and her friends or say stuff like "We should go see that movie" and so on, not once did she ever just tell me how she felt, so I assumed she …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 06:43 AM
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This is such a trite point, not being homosexual is not simply finding men unattractive, they are not registered as sexual beings the same way animals or inanimate objects are, no level of arousal can overcome that barrier the way it can with unattractive women. It's not a fair comparison at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 06:30 AM
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They want "the chase" Something like 50% of young men have never approached a woman and over 50% have not approached a woman in a year or longer. Women believe men want the chase because of selection bias; by being passive, women choose men who chase. I think the fact that even unattractive women generally don't chase s pretty indicative that they are more privileged than men in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/24 06:19 AM
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I think being the safe option as a man is generally more palatable if you know she's always been slow and deliberate about romance and intimacy, but one thing I've learned in life is that every "safe" woman was some guys "fun" woman at some point.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/24 06:11 AM
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For you, is masculinity defined by how many women approve of what you do?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 10:29 PM
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUCw63pWAAQpv9k.jpg:large
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 03:16 PM
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Yeah I don't understand why PPD women feel like they need to convince people that women don't have a problem with male virginity.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 02:49 PM
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The majority of women see it as a dealbreaker, so it seems to be a problem for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 02:39 PM
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A guy who dresses in a dress and heels, because he doesn't give a fuck what people think, would be masculine. Masculinity is a mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 02:37 PM
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I'm pretty retarded when it comes to women, but just tell them you don't kiss and tell, it'd be more compelling than just bluntly stating the truth the way you have detailed here.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 02:35 PM
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That's not unreasonable, it probably limits your dating pool though.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 02:31 PM
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What do you think your autism makes you unreasonable about?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 11:08 AM
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It's not people's life though, it's your's; the person ultimately responsible for your happiness and wellbeing is you. What other people want you to do or how they want you to live should be low on the list of reasons to do things. Edit: in reply to your other message, go with your gut, if something feels weird and you can't look past it, don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 08:03 AM
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In my opinion, women should have much higher standards, spend less time concerned with superficial things and actually take "mistakes" more seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 06:39 AM
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Like for example I have this water bottle that's one of those Owala ones, it's a light sage green with an orange cap, and I really like it personally. But I became very self-conscious about having it in public because I felt like it was turning off women and one girl (who's very liberal) even commented that it was "really girly". So then I went and got an all black one that I like much less, but I don't want something as silly as a water bottle to affect my romantic opportunities, and I doubt a …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 05:37 AM
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The ones that do tend to be socially conservative and/or from working class backgrounds. So the majority of women?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/24 05:31 AM
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_3K-RLXkAA75Yz.jpg
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 05:01 PM
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this is what Women do, and this is what men do. We both do things but they are different things. No better, no worse: just different That isn't remotely what that quote conveys, but we're beating a dead horse. Essentially, your in depth analysis of the "why" is "because"
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 04:21 PM
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59 Shades Of Grey How many sequels are there?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 04:10 PM
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You might as well just come out and say pretend to not be a virgin, it's essentially what you are saying and what a man would need to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 04:08 PM
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I quoted a comedian, humorously explaining: going that dudes would get it Is the idea we're meant to take away from it that women don't approach because they feel entitled to be approached? It is what it is, is a bit of a lazy answer don't you think? Not many people deny the game is the game, but people can question it. Playing the game and enjoying the ride is a Red Pill perspective mind you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 04:06 PM
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They care more about it than the woman has The majority of women consider it a dealbreaker, how are you not getting that? Women do care about it, very much so, all else being good, virginity alone is enough of a reason for a woman to not want to date a man, they see it as a red flag and make a load of assumptions about a man based on that fact alone, what are you basing your claim that men care about it more on?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 03:55 PM
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You're the one who quoted a woman saying she deserves to be approached for going to these lengths, not sure where your rant about men is coming from 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 03:39 PM
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She only needs to find one man though. Why would a woman do something she doesn't want to, in order to appeal to the majority, if she wasn't getting something more out of it than simply attracting a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 03:21 PM
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potential millions in your area My areas population is in the 10s of thousands, but I feel like you've derailed a bit here; you originally said caring about virginity is a high school mentality, I pointed out that the majority of women care about virginity and judge it negatively, so would you say the majority of women have a high school mentality when it comes to dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 03:17 PM
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Washing, moisturising and exfoliating daily isn't a major undertaking anyway, but definitely knock forgoing bread, doing yoga and cardio, wearing push up bras, skimpy outfits and high heels off that list. I don't know many women who go out and get their hair and nails did every time they expect to be approached for that matter, shaving is fair, but I shave my body and it's barely any effort. All these things they do though is to bag a better looking man, it's not for men it's self serving, they …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 03:12 PM
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It does mean that any random woman you meet is more likely to consider it a dealbreaker than you are to get heads on a cointoss.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 02:59 PM
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The majority of women don't go clubbing and even the ones who do, not all go to these lengths. The women doing this are doing it to try and bag as high "quality" a man as possible, it's entirely a self serving venture.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 02:52 PM
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None of that has any bearing on the fact that, when polled, the majority of women say virignity is a dealbreaker.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 02:40 PM
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Single fathers aren't any more negligent than single mothers are Women abuse children more than men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 11:24 AM
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Isn't the whole point that it's a substitute for no sex life?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 05:57 AM
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That's a daily price, independent escorts in my country can be like 100-200 for an hour and under 100 for a half hour quickie.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 05:56 AM
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Very high school mentality. The majority of adult women see virginity as a dealbreaker, so perhaps RP is onto something when they compare women to teenagers.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 05:46 AM
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JUST LOSE IT. It's only that simple for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 05:41 AM
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It is just simply less special with the latter woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 08:49 PM
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Your friend is playing word games and mudying the definitions of words. Where what your friend says falls apart is what the intent is behind having an abortion, what makes a sacrifice a "ritual" sacrifice is whether the one sacrificing intends it to be ritual.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/24 06:23 AM
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I can't say being in a sexless relationship has been a dream I've had. Edit: Just realised I got the letters the wrong way round, I meant woman A 🤦‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 03:23 PM
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I wish I was a woman so I could get praised for selling popcorn in the street
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 02:45 PM
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I could probably live with A if she was a virgin. Edit: Changed B to A. I got mixed up and said woman B at first, but I'd want nothing to do with B even if she was attached to my dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/24 02:43 PM
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What's stopping men from considering this role desirable and vying for it? Who is going to pay the average man to do porn? Most men would not make the cut on penis size alone, then you have everything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/24 06:11 PM
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Jesus I don’t even see men as that bad I do. I think that picture is clowning on romantic men more than it is women as well. it's called "flower cuck in a line".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 09:19 PM
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No worries brother
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 09:05 PM
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Eh? That was quite literally my point, did you only get like 5 words into my comment? I actually agree that a woman with no options at all is worse off than a man in the same boat, simply because she would have to be particularly ugly and unlikable and that would likely affect every aspect of her life
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 08:49 PM
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So even a hypothetical women with no options, has options? You could have just said that there are no women who have no options.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 08:26 PM
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I actually agree that a woman with no options at all is worse off than a man in the same boat, simply because she would have to be particularly ugly and unlikable and that would likely affect every aspect of her life, the man could simply be shy and not handsome and it would not be unfeasible that he'd live his entire life alone, never experiencing intimacy or romance, but at least manage to build a career and live a comfortable life.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 07:06 PM
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_3K-RLXkAA75Yz.jpg
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 06:37 PM
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Not that I've ever been super desirable, but when I was a younger, more socially active, man, I had women, some friends of friends, some strangers, try and sleep with me and I had no interest in it then, so I am quite confident in saying "no" to your question.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 06:23 PM
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You described two scenarios and then declared that they show that two theories, hitherto unmentioned in youtr post, are projections. I'm struggling to even fathom how the WAW or Halo effects are even related to what you are saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 01:43 PM
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Which shows complaints about ‘Wonderful are Women’ and lookism (‘Halo effect’) are projections. What do you mean by prohections here? The women are wonderful and halo effect are studied phenomenon, not something made up by some internet fringe.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/24 06:14 AM
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I’m pretty sure they’ve been brainwashed by men too to think that it’s normal I do often think women sell themselves short because they've bought into what men tell them, rather than thinking for themselves. You see it often in what women complain about, they seem to remove their own agency and make themselves objects for men, pandering to men's desires in exchange for, ultimately, very little.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 08:14 AM
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Black is the absence of colour; "void pill" very much reads as "black pill".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 06:52 AM
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RP is very much a sexual strategy, they advocate spinning plates and avoiding marriage. The thing they probably care about the least is fixing the system and making the world a better place; "enjoy the decline" is one of their mottos for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 06:50 AM
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Did the women involved know that he was taking those photos or that he would show them to other people? From what I saw, they knew the photos were taken, but I doubt they knew he shared them. You knew that your friend was in a relationship and thought it was acceptable that he cheated? What makes you think I found it acceptable? I judge people by those they surround themselves with and the behavior you’ve outlined is not the type of behavior I want in a partner and it seems that partaking in the…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 05:17 AM
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Yeah, I think women who imagine the guys who see sex workers as ugly, sexless and desperate losers are choosing to be wilfully ignorant.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 04:59 AM
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That is beside the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/24 04:54 AM
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If a man was actually attractive it would be easy to have sex wherever he was. Only an extreme minority of men have that luxury, but one guy I knew was pretty close to that, an outright sex addict, he would often sleep with multiple women in a week. He managed to talk 3 women he met into having a fivesome with him and his friend, his friend chickened out though, so he had a foursome instead. I know what you're thinking, these stories are obvious bullshit, I used to think the same thing, but he u…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/24 06:22 PM
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Do you think women can tell which men are desperate enough to play for sex? This is a bit of a mischaracterisation of who pays for sex. The guys I've known who have seen sex workers have either been guys in relationships who fancied sex while in a foreign country or guys who had no issues finding women to have sex with, but have seen sex workers either because it's just easier or because they were on holiday and the option was there. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2563847/ It seems…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/24 05:55 PM
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Men should only share this stuff in a world where women are open about their sexual pasts, we do not live in that world.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/24 05:07 PM
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It is not wrong from my experiences over the years, so it seems we are at an impasse.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 11:23 PM
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We're back to square one. Women select men roughly the same age as us, men who have varied traits, personality match, show worth ethic, etc. So, again And none of those things matter if he doesn't approach, she'd choose a guy that has less of those things who does approach her. Just like a man may choose a younger, hotter women, who has less traits he likes over an older, less attractive women who is more of a fit for him. who's the shallower gender? You are trying to defend women by arguing tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 11:05 PM
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however, a non-insignificant number of husbands will swear they're still attracted to their old wife Then men are less shallow than women since they are able to go deeper than their intrinsic biologica traits? Women obviously don't go for men who just approach them, as we have multiple characteristics we look for in a man and these vary woman to woman. None of those characteristics matter if he doesn't approach. This sub does just sound like men who want to find the secret to access women, but w…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 10:39 PM
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Some people find that it provides them with a sense of status to have a partner that everyone finds attractive Well then, my answer to this is I simply don't care about status.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 06:28 PM
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I feel like I should be the one asking why? Why would what other people think of a woman affect how I think about her? I can't explain why it is not something I care about, it seems mad to me to actually care.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 05:49 PM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 05:18 PM
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Is men's sexual attraction to young, fertile women not an intrinsic biological trait?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 02:42 PM
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Of course, but as I said, feeling desired/being approached is more important to women to ensure paternal involvement. In her mind, if she approaches you, you're going to say yes to get sex and then leave her. It's incompatible with her instincts (even if these are misplaced when she meets a liar or a man who later reveals himself abusive). Is this any different to a man saying they're instinctually attracted to young women because of increased fertility and better chance of a healthy pregnancy? …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 02:33 PM
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Anyone who knowingly dates a cheating lying abusive felon is a piece of shit themaelves I don't think that's fair and if that's what you believe, there is no point in us having a conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 01:33 PM
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Yes, feeling desired is a main driver (when you account for connection/personality/ other traits specific to the woman) , but it is not shallow, which was one of your first counter-arguments. That need to be desired is evolutionary driven by needing the father of her babies to stay around. Men and women should only be with people who desire them and whom they desire, if they want a happy relationship, I'm not denying or critisicising that want, what I am calling shallow is only accepting desire …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 01:27 PM
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That is my point, the priority isn't connection, chemistry, long term happiness or whatever else, it's a fleeting moment that makes her feel desired, the same way men selecting women based on their apprearance or youth are selecting her because of a fleeting moment of lust. they know they might have missed out on 'the one' I don't think it's even a "might", I think the majority of women curate their dating woes and miss out on what could be long lasting, and happy, relationships, because they ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 09:09 AM
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I never mentioned one night stands or casual sex, I think men and women do themselves a disservice engaging in them. I am also not talking about taking initiative with a cold approach, I think cold approaching for romance is a losing strategy in general and I've never been interested in a woman I just met, so it's not for me anyway. What I am talking about is women who will know a man, feel a connection, are attracted to him, but never verbalise it, waiting instead for him to do it. I've not wan…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 08:38 AM
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This is quite a narrow point, women are superficially sexually attracted to different things. Going back to what I originally replied to, connection and chemisty aren't how women choose men, women's biggest filter is actually whether or not a guy asks her out and escalates the relationship, she can have a connection, chemistry and be sexually attracted to a man, but will choose a different man she has less of those things with, if he approaches her in the right way. This is what women are superf…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 06:27 AM
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Just like terrible men exist, terrible women exist. So because terrible women want to fuck terrible men, then its ALL women’s fault evil men exists? The bigger issue is that it's not just terrible women that fall for liars, cheats, abusers, criminals and so on; good, kind, intelligent women fall for them as well. I personally don't want to be around the people you deacribe, but good women who have gotten duped by these sort of men are unattractive as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 06:25 AM
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Do you think that's anxious to marry or anxious to marry him specifically though? I had a woman tell me she wanted to marry me and to me it seemed she just thought I'd do as a husband, rather than dreamed of me being her husband, if that makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 08:02 PM
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You said average guys. (If you noticed my other reply before I deleted it, I was reading the wrong comment chain!)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 07:48 PM
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Men in general, escorts that cost like 100 are probably more physically attractive than the women the averave man can expect to date, 1000 is high tier.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 07:46 PM
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Men in trad dynamics have all the power in the relationship. Surely that's an argument in his favour? Men have lost the power, but still have to jump through the hoops.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 07:42 PM
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Most couples have sex once a week or less and an extreme minority of men will ever be with a woman that can charge a thousand euros a go come on man.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 07:41 PM
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Are women anxious to marry them?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 07:30 PM
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Miss Trunchbull
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/24 04:44 AM
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Do you think I'm questioning whether this would be most men's reaction to what's presented here or whether most men are lusting after 16 year olds, paying cam girls and letting their dick do all the thinking?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 04:18 PM
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The majority of women are overweight or obese, is this a new take on women are only dating 1% of men?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 11:23 AM
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You said no man would even consider a fat woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 10:09 AM
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Chances are no men would even consider a fat women Fat women have no problem finding dates and relationships. Their limiting factor is expecting to attract the same men that in shape women attract.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 09:18 AM
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I think it's multi-faceted, for one thing, what you hear and read online comes from the loud minority, but in real life, a lot of women's experience with men comes from the fact that, generally, women only get to know men either from being their family or the fact the man made a deliberate effort to be in her life, considering that ~50% of men approach women less than once a year, if at all, it means women have a fundamentally skewed view of what "men" are and how they think. Most men are behind…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 06:27 AM
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Do you believe most men are like this?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 05:32 AM
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If you are living in the West, you are living with the most egalitarian men there have ever been. Providers, leaders and people of importance are what women want men to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/24 05:03 AM
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That saying in and of itself is dehumanising to both men and women, it removes nuance and ignores how peer pressure, insecurities, anxieties, past experiences, social conditioning, unrealistic expectations, biases etc can influence people to behave in ways they don't necessarily want to, either as a reaction to a visceral feeling or a calculus leading to deliberate inaction. Very rarely are things as black and white as "if they wanted to they would".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 09:21 AM
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dysfunctional relationships with mentally ill women who end up ruining their lives. I don't think this is the full picture, I've known some great, intelligent women who gave a lot to these sort of men, only to come out the other side broken and on anti-depressants. I think it's nice to believe that men like this will get their commupance, but from what I've seen they often feel loved and get what they want from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 07:46 AM
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How many women have atleast one guy, at some point in their life, that they think would be a great boyfriend that they then place themselves around in the hope of him asking her out? In cases like this, the only sane reason for not just verbalising your interest is fear of rejection.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/24 06:45 AM
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This is just how women want it to be, like 50% of men don't approach women anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 09:08 PM
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It can be both, I've had women I've just met kiss me and friends develop crushes on me, I assume, over time, though admittedly I don't know for certain it wasn't immediate in the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 07:42 PM
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Regardless of whether I believe either of these, men are better off finding women who's interest in him doesn't hinge on whether or not he pays for her time.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 07:27 PM
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If not getting a free meal is enough for you to reject a man, he is probably better off dating someone else who is actually interested in him.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 07:20 PM
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She, assuming it is actually a woman, generally just posts bad takes to get a reaction and start arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 04:54 PM
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Whoever is approached should pay to balance the effort out.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 04:52 PM
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Most men don't say those things about themselves, you've fallen into the very same trap of believing the loud minority that the very guys you enjoy arguing with on here have.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 03:20 PM
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People seem to be averse to thinking of themselves as mediocre, boring or average. They make these claims, that women have high standards or only select men who have a lot going for them, to indirectly big themselves up or, in the case of men who fail with women, to cope. Women don't have high standards, they have narrow and specific standards that generally say nothing about the men they are with
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 02:07 PM
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Most men and women live unremarkable lives, their biggest events are usually the birth of their children and getting married, something most people have been doing for centuries.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 01:26 PM
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You really think most people live boring lives? Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 01:23 PM
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Where does this idea that you have to be not mediocre or boring to date come from? The world is full of mediocre, boring people, they make up the vast majority of humanity. If we're using number of partners as a metric of success, which is questionable, then the most successful guys I've known have been the most desperate and sex obsessed, the biggest slayer I knew was an outright sex addict. I think success is in having lasting, happy relationships and the guys I know who got that had high stan…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 12:35 PM
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Promiscuous actually has it's roots in the word "indiscriminate". Having a string of relationships that didn't work out isn't promiscuity either, unless you are jumping from guy to guy and lying to yourself; having a load of failed relationships shows you are "indiscriminate" in your partner choice however. Also, sex positive is not a synonym for promiscuous, people in healthy long term relationships have more sex, which is more enjoyable and more adventurous. There is a strong correlation betwe…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 12:12 PM
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If that were true there wouldn't be any promiscuous women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 11:54 AM
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No one wants to be in a room full of their partners exes. I think being with someone who's exes could fill a room is not something a lot of people want either.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 11:52 AM
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Promiscuous person is a type of person.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 11:46 AM
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I think shared values are an aspect, but I also find discernment attractive; for that reason promiscuity is unattractive to me, the same way women who have a history of abusive or otherwise shitty exes is offputting. I used to be friends with a woman that I found quite attractive and we got on well together, but she was with an abusive guy for years and I just couldn't look past it, I know how bad it sounds, but I couldn't help thinking "I thought she was better than that". I think that last tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 09:25 AM
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I replied to your other comment, but this one here just proves you are simply a misandrist, so I won't engage with you further.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 09:17 AM
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You've consistently turned what I've said around and took it as an attack on you. I'm not saying by not asking a guy out you are personally dehumanising a man, nor have I said you have to adjust your behaviour, I've never once claimed that there are men who can sleep with every woman on earth, I doubt anyone here believes such a man exists either, yet you continue to engage with that hyperbole. What I'm hoping you will take on, is that the same reasons women believe "if he wanted to he would" ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/24 09:16 AM
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I'm going to try one more time to get across my point; my sanity has it's limits. The belief that a man will ask a woman out, if he is attracted enough, is the same as the belief that a woman will have a one night stand with a man, if she is attracted enough. Women are able to accept the former belief, but are left aghast by the latter, both beliefs are equally dehumanising and deny the others potential emotional complexity by reducing their actions to a maxim: "if he/she wanted to he/she would"…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 04:48 PM
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Black and white thinking mean I think in only Good or Bad. Black and white thinking doesn't have a moral component, it is thinking in absolutes without nuance.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 12:15 PM
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Again you've completely misunderstood what I've said, though I guess taking my own words into account, I can only blame myself for not being clear. I'm not trying to argue with you or antagonise you, what I am saying is dehumanising are things like "if he wanted to he would" or when women assume a man isn't interested if he doesn't ask her out, it denies how insecure or anxious a man can be and puts the burden on him; men who believe that women will sleep with a guy she's attracted to on the fir…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 09:15 AM
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All of this is the other side of the coin that women use to dehumanise men and deny their emotions, things like "If he wanted to he would" or expecting men to make the first move, be more direct, physically escalate etc come from the same place as men believing women sleep with men they find more attractive sooner. It's all assumptions based on actions and this is how women want the game to be played, women are the ones that want plausible deniability, women are the ones who want to not communic…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 08:27 AM
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It is absolutely not It's not obvious that there is no such man that every single woman will do whatever they want? And none of that means all women will have zero boundaries and conditions as long as the guy is hot enough, but not only do several men apparently believe this It often astounds me how few people on PPD read, and comprehend, the comments they reply to. I agreed with you that this man does not exist, but I'm saying that when you have guys who can sleep with multiple women a week if …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 11:40 PM
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There is no such man that every single woman will do whatever they want This is obvious, however there are "Chads" who have easy access to enough women willing to act like pornstars to please him, that it doesn't matter if he can sleep with every woman on earth. The majority of men will never experience sexual desire from a women like those guys do, so it's no wonder "Chad" almost becomes deified.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 11:18 PM
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How would you define rizz? Game, charisma, charm, rizz, they're all words for the same thing. It definitely has an impact on romantic success with women. I'd say it's the most important thing when it comes to romantic success with women; who you are as a man is largely irrelevant, who she believes you are is all that matters and women often don't dig that deep. It's why liars and charlatans do so well.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 07:08 PM
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Rizz
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 06:53 PM
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ensure that only worthy men reproduce their genes. They're not doing a good job of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 06:09 PM
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Goes back to what I said, lots of men take any free pussy they can even if they don’t like the girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 05:30 PM
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I told you the reasons why, I don’t understand why you keep pretending like I didn’t write them. I could have said the same thing to you multiple comments ago, we've just been repeating ourselves at each other. I am not here to convince you You won't anyway, I've been close to enough women who have liked guys they couldn't ask out because they were too insecure, and they admitted that was the reason why, rather than resorting to misandry and blaming men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 05:22 PM
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Flirting isn’t games, it’s how people interact romantically, and it mostly confuses neuroatypical people or those with no or little social and romantic experience, and since they’re not my target demographic I don’t care. This is a genuine question, do you deliberately reframe what people say in an attempt to discredit them or do you just miss the nuance in the conversation? Flirting isn't what I'm calling a game, what I'm calling game playing is doubling down on flirting and sending signals to …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 05:11 PM
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I guess you don’t know this but… people in their 30’s are dating right now. As are people in their 40’s and 50’s etc Oh wow, the more you know. It’s not like only 20 year olds are dating, while the rest of us stopped. You said "75% of men and 83% of women are married by the time they're 30", this isn't just a statement of the current state of 30 year olds, it reads as you saying what people can expect by 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 04:51 PM
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I stand by my advice, if the guy likes you enough he’ll ask you out, If a woman liked a man enough she'd ask him out. if he’s not willing to risk rejection your interest is not clear enough (in that case do the mating dance more and flirt) or he’s either not interested enough in you. Why would a woman go through these games, rather than just use her words and clearly communicate? Insecurity.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 04:41 PM
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Yeah it’s kinda for men to be single mothers It's not a good look when you are nitpicking on semantics. bad dating advice It's only bad dating advice if you are talking about cold approaching, which is bad dating advice regardless of gender. A woman asking out a guy she already knows and feels safe around is risking a lot less than a woman waiting for someone she doesn't really know to ask her out, but the vast majority of women would choose the latter, acting like the choice comes from a place …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 04:15 PM
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Women are more insecure, have less self-esteem, are less likely to stand up for themselves, enforce boundaries, ask for what they want, less likely to be sexually and romantically fulfilled, more likely to regret sleeping with someone, more likely to resent their partner, more likely to initiate a break up, more likely to initiate a divorce, more likely to be single mothers, these are all facts. I don't believe for a second women let their life be like this because they think that taking control…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 03:37 PM
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Which specific generation are you meaning, then? 75% of men and 83% of women are married by the time they're 30. I feel like people here need to start acknowledging that things have changed a lot in the past decade wrt socialisation, things like social media, dating apps and the covid lockdown years, all mean that looking at what people in their 30s have done historically can't be used as a strong indication of what Gen Z and Gen Alpha can expect as they go into their 30s. Half the discourse her…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 03:27 PM
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The difference between attractive and unattractive women is the share of the male populace they have sexual power over, most just don't realise it because they have low self esteem and are too insecure to leverage it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 03:18 PM
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This is just waffle that women tell themselves to avoid admitting they're simply insecure and fear rejection
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 03:10 PM
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What I never understood is, if women are better at communicating and reading body language, then why is it the man who has to initiate romantic and sexual interactions? Surely women can figure out from body language a guy is interested and then use their superior communication skills to let him know.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 01:19 PM
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Trying to convince a young man who consumes porn daily that being kind and loving will lead to a romantic relationship and eventually sex Men realise this isn't true without porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/24 01:13 PM
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Men they wanted to have sex with and were certain would give them a good time and not judge them. Well, they did want to have sex with me and in my 20s people would often assume I was a "ladies man" (that is a direct quote) and had slept with a lot of women. I also actually had an apprentice once, when I was in my early 30s, make the same assumption about me and he was a bit of a fuck boy type. I don't think any woman feared judgement from me, I certainly gave no reason for them to and have foun…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 05:00 AM
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Okay, so what did those women do in the meantime? Did they date other men or women, or did they stay alone their entire lives and pine away for you? Where are you going with this? Some of them may have pined away for me longer than they should have, I lived with one of them and she got a birth control implant shortly before we moved in together, but didn't date or have sex with anyone for a year or two. One woman I spent like a year what could perhaps be considered "dating", like we'd go to see …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 04:25 AM
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I've never been uptight and cold, women have always described me as fun, what I didn't do though was escalate and neither did they. I also find your assumption that this is a hypothetical projection into the past a bit bizzarre, I'm talking about women who had crushes on me in the past, they were attracted to me, some said they felt rejected because I never made moves others kept their feelings to themself because they thought I didn't like them that way at the time, I'm not talking hyopthetical…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 04:03 AM
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Answer me this though, if that man isn't proactive about escalating their relationship romantically and sexually, how many women do you think will be? I've found out later in life quite a few women I've known over the last 20 years as an adult were attracted to me, but the only women that have ever been sexually proactive have been a tiny handful of drunk strangers in bars/clubs.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 03:46 AM
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Men who aren't proactive, how is this hard to follow?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 03:41 AM
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That furthers my point don't you think? Women prefer toys over being proactive with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 03:32 AM
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The majority of men will very rarely, if ever, experience proactive sexuality from a woman he hasn't already established a sexual relationship with. A woman may feel sexually attracted to a man, but if he isn't proactive, nothing will happen. I fully believe the increase in sexlessness in the younger generations is down to men being less pro-active, I don't think it has anything to do with af/bb, chad, not looksmaxing or whatever other nonsense; men fail when they don't know how to play, or opt …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 03:27 AM
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Are these things you believe most men want?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 03:05 AM
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Society would be better off if criminals turned themselves in and went to prison, but no one would use that as an argument to convince them to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 06:26 PM
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So then why should he value marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 06:17 PM
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No, I don't think a longer life has inherent value. For a man who does not value marriage, the increased longevity is more time spent in a situation he doesn't value; rather than an argument in favour, it is an argument against.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 05:50 PM
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I don’t know any man that doesn’t value love, support, treats and gifts, etc I'm a man who doesn't like treats or gifts, so we do exist, but your point definitely stands; I feel like a lot of men act like sex and looks are all they care about, but they'll siphon the life out of a woman without offering much in return.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 05:40 PM
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Apart from living longer, you've not presented a benefit to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 05:31 PM
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I have regularly felt that I'm in a game I don't know the rules to. Something I often think about is the second Noble Truth of Buddhism, desire is the root of suffering, as you say marketers have latched onto that, to keep people in a state of perpetual desire, so they consume more. Desire is a hard thing to detach from, but trying to live in the present can allow you to lay aside desire, because desire is concerned with the future; it's a want for something you don't have, whereas more inner pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 02:24 PM
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I often think the fact we can never know how others see us is like a cruel joke played to our detriment. I’ve not really noticed women adhere to strict gender guidelines when choosing a man I assume you are younger than me, so perhaps times have changed, but in my experience women expect men to make the moves, to be the one to communicate desire first and to physically escalate. I don't think there's been an increase in women taking on that role either and the fact that younger generations seem …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 01:57 PM
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I knew a woman who was a virgin until her late 20s, she was not unattractive and men were interested in her, but she gave off an unapproachable vibe and generally gave the impression she didn't want a man, even when you did get close to her platonically, you often felt unwelcome. I'm sure she thought guys weren't into her for some quirk of her personality or whatever, but it was because guys thought she didn't like them. A man in a similar situation cannot say the same though, they are actually …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 01:18 PM
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Right, so you're not someone who is paranoid like she was describing?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 06:02 AM
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Unfortunately this is daily life for me. It is not, however, daily life for the large majority of people with mental health issues. Another person having to deal with that? I don’t blame them for not wanting to be in a long or short term situation with me. I'd be willing to wager that you've been shown more platonic, sexual and romantic interest, had more sex, with more people and been in more, and longer lasting, LTRs than most guys with much more milder issues than you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/24 06:00 AM
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they don’t think someone digging open wounds into their skin to be something worth sticking around for. They don’t want someone who has blacked out their windows or covered their vents so people can’t see through them. They don’t want a girl who can’t use the bathroom in public for fear there are cameras installed watching her. Speaking from experience btw. These are all extremes, slightly weird mannerisms are enough to give women the ick.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 05:30 PM
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Just think about the reprobates that do get chosen by women and ask yourself how much you trust their judgment of you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 05:17 PM
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https://np.reddit.com/r/datingoverthirty/comments/1fq2bnz/falling_for_my_friend_whom_i_never_thought_was_my/ Women's ability to take simple things and overthink them into irrational nonsense never ceases to baffle me. I swear it gets worse with age for them as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/24 05:40 AM
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When it comes to sex and romance, women have worse outcomes overall. There are more single mothers than there are incels, women are physically and mentally abused more, murdered more, less sexually satisfied, less happy with their relationships, the list goes on, by just about every measure, except for access to sex, women are worse off than men in romance, so maybe we shouldn't just accept things are working out for women as they stand, the only way it could stand is if the only measure of roma…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 08:58 AM
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👍 whatever you need to tell yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 06:44 AM
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Trite excuses to avoid vetting men. If you are selecting men willing to use you for sex, that says more about your ability to judge character, than it does about the merrits of being proactive in dating; if you can't vet men, you'll get used and abused regardless of being passive, at that point telling a guy you like him or not is minutiae.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 06:19 AM
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The entitled and superiority complex Is a delusion, they want to act like they have it better, presumably for the sake of their own ego, even though the stats show that, despite the increases in male lonliness and sexlessness, women are still less satisfied with their sexual and romantic relationships. They're getting used and abused at higher rates, they're more desperate, more insecure, more medicated, less happy, overall they have worse experiences and, perhaps saddest of all, their life is s…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 06:10 AM
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It would depend on why/how they are doing the approaching, women who are confident in themselves, know what they want and go for it when they find it in a man, do well. Most women are insecure, desperate, don't enforce their boundaries and let men use and abuse them for the illusion of being "in a relationship", I doubt too much would change for them, but being willing to be more active opens you up to more than just being selected out of lust and used for access to sex for a few months/years.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 06:00 AM
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It's not really the same results though, is it? Unless you're just desperate for the status of being in a relationship. Most relationships fail and women are less satisfied, more likely to experience domestic abuse, be murdered by their partner, be a lone single parent, women's outcomes from relationships are, across the board, worse than mens.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 05:48 AM
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Because it's apparently a "wager worth taking".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 05:42 AM
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Risking 30 seconds of discomfort for a potential lifechanging relationship seems like a wager worth taking Why don't women take it then?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/24 04:48 AM
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women virgins who want to marry other virgins Those women basically don't exist outside of religion. If men don't want to be shamed for virginity they should seek the woman who value it, not chase the women who don't. It's hard enough finding a woman to date, let alone when looking for such a rare minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/24 06:29 PM
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Honestly, how are you struggling with this? I'm not, you are; you're the one that invoked consesus as an argument in favour of your point of view, my point has always been that is fallacious. people don't like things that smell bad What constitutes a "bad" smell isn't even consistent between people and cultures. If you can't see that how people feel about a topic is influenced by their beliefs, experiences and biases and then realise that then means that how people feel is often more learned tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 06:34 AM
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They're not. The point of the fallacy is that just because people believe something doesn't make it true. People's feelings are real and not something that can be measured objectively. You can't tell people they are wrong for distrusting thieves. This is definitely one of the dumbest rationales I've read for a while. The point in the fallacy is that consensus doesn't equal truth, peoples beliefs influence their feelings and feelings influence belief, you can't seperate them; if it was entirely t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 04:36 AM
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77 is more than 33. And I think those numbers are just dudes virtue signaling. Why? In my lived experience most women have casual sex, bad taste in men and not a single one is tolerant of male virginity, but I know I can't extrapolate that out to all women, because how I myself live, how I meet people, the crowds I hang out in etc expose me to a niche part of humanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 04:21 AM
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You're not using that fallacy correctly. We're not talking about something people believe, we're talking about something people FEEL. Thoughts, beliefs and feelings are intertwined, you're just being contratian for the sake of it here. Also, that's the neckbeardiest shit ever. Don't be that guy. I don't think neckbeard has held any weight as an insult for at least a decade, you might as well call me a square. Cool. So then your point is irrelevant. Brother, why are you even replying at this poin…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/24 04:13 AM
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What are you even talking about? Regardless of if a man is cold approaching or trying to date a friend who is into him, 9.9 times out of 10, being passive is going to lead nowhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 04:59 PM
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Regardless, men still need to actively escalate, just meeting women and being passive is a losing strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 04:42 PM
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Great insight.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 04:25 PM
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You have to do more than meet women to date them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 04:25 PM
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taking a more passive approach to dating Is how men end up involuntarily celibate
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 04:07 PM
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And it's pretty well established to be considered irrational for people to want a paternity test with no reason for suspicion. Argumentum ad populum In relationships? Please explain how In relationships specifically, perhaps not, though I think many ills happen because people choose to believe a fantasy of who their partner is and get hurt for it, women are especially a victim of this. If he had gotten to know you as a teenager then it totally makes sense that he gave up on life as he had an ide…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 08:22 AM
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Okay but we're talking about the general populace which is neurotypical. It's not about being neurotypical or divergent, it's about being rational or irrational. That's a terrible answer because it can be used to justify all kinds of irrational and damaging behavior Blind faith has been used to justify far more irrational and damaging behaviour than suspicion ever has. Maybe if he had the opportunity to find out you weren't really his kid he wouldn't have become an alcoholic. Bit of an odd reply…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 08:09 AM
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Just as you wouldn't be expected to be okay with someone not trusting you on this issue. I am OK with people not trusting me fully on any issue, it would be smart of them to. I think it's more like if you don't have a reason to suspect anything, why are you unsure. Because, rationally, you can't be sure of anything. Have you gone and asked for a DNA test from your parents to make sure your father is accurate? If not, why He was an alcoholic who drank himself to death and ruined my childhood, so …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 07:37 AM
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I think the real issue is idealism vs realism, you can never trust someone 100%, it's just not possible. Plenty of people who trusted their partner fully have been blindsided by them, it's perfectly reasonable, regardless of how you feel about your partner, to also not want to leave something as monumental as the paternity of your own children to faith alone. Believeing there is 0% chance the children are not yours is blind faith and I'd apply the same thought process to a woman who wants to hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 07:24 AM
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Why not? They're both precautions against getting hurt by someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 06:53 AM
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In the context of this discussion, if a man wishing for paternity certainty is accusing his partner of cheating, then aren't the precautions women take every day, against violence from men, an accusation?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/24 06:27 AM
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Getting jacked, rich, educated, whatever else doesn't matter, neither does being more social, all that matters is flirting and escalating, you can be massively outgoing, friendly and social, party regularly with a diverse group of friends and be "Chad" to a woman who's into you and if you don't flirt or escalate with her, she'll choose a friendless, overweight, abusive, bum over you, this is the game women have set up.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 06:33 AM
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From my friends that have experienced shitty and abusive relationships there's always been red flags she's ignored, but I agree it's not fair to blame women or frame it as some moral failing as it's easier to judge looking from the outside. Women do ultimately have to choose better or not choose at all, it's their own happiness and life on the line, no one else is responsible for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 07:03 AM
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As far as “choosing better” I think it’s a bit of an unfair argument. I told a friend of mine the guy she'd been seeing was already showing signs of being abusive, I even told her exactly what was wrong about his behaviour and in what way he was being abusive, she dismissed my counsel, then came to me years later saying she had been abused by him, in pretty much the way I said she would be, not long after that relationship she was saying I love you to a guy that was treating her like a booty cal…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 06:08 AM
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If saying "we should hang out sometime" to someone who started a conversation with you is how women flirt it explains a lot for me. I think I may have inadvertently dated some women over the years.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 05:40 AM
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I was reading threads about how desired men feel/what women do to make their man feel desired and the responses from some women were astounding, plenty seemed to think that letting him initiate sex was enough, some were saying they hug and kiss their man every now and then, one said she didn't realise men couldn't feel desired, one even said she dresses up and wears perfume 🤷‍♂️ Women are made lazy by being the passive party, they expect it and assume a lot of a man who doesn't do it, then those…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 05:24 AM
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She taught me silly little ways to flirt (I remember she told me to tuck the tag on the collar of the shirts in - and you know what? That shit works). She also told me on the date to “ask him about himself and laugh at his jokes.” If stuff like this is flirting, then I've been bombarded by women my whole life.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 05:17 AM
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I think it's easy to forget there is another human behind the veil of anonymity, so I don't take what people say to me here personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 08:35 PM
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Not to mention these stats are from a hypothetical question, how many of the 49% would get the ick when actually presented with that situation?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 06:09 PM
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This is blatantly false It is true, someone else linked it in this thread, but 33% of men and 51% of women said they would not date a virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 06:06 PM
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If they want sex, should they lie about liking a woman or being in love, just so they can have sex? Should he then remain in that relationship, even if they don't like the woman This is what the most sexually succesful men are doing tbf.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 06:01 PM
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That was just me arguing for the sake of arguing with someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 05:29 PM
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I am in that 6 to 7 inch range, so of all my worries that's not one, though I'm a bit baffled what you want me to take away from your reply. Are you addressing that to my answers or the implication I struggle with women?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 05:24 PM
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Yes to 1, 2 and 3, no to 4.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 05:16 PM
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Do you really believe women in their 30s are that shallow? If you have a connection and chemistry, do you really think most women would prioritize immediate sexual gratification over a potentially great long-lasting relationship? Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/24 05:05 PM
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So then the fact that women only find a small percentage of men attractive is irrelevant since the only way a statistically significant number could be obtained is by superficial judgments, and we now agree that attraction is more complicated than that and changes over time. This is not the only thing that follows, you could also conclude that women lose attraction to men as they find out he's lacking in one or more of the areas previously discussed. So then a 7' man, 350 lbs of muscle, and an 1…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 10:00 PM
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The conversation is whether women only find the same small percentage of men attractive. I'm questioning how they could know his penis size when judging attractiveness since by the time she knows how big his penis is, she has already judged him to be attractive. A woman's opinion of a man changes the more she knows about him, though annecdotally I had a friend who had a fairly big dick and he got interest from women within our social group when they heard about it. Except you are assuming a woma…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 02:36 PM
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Women are able to judge penis size by men who approach them, online dating profiles, and men they know in social circles? Again, another strawman trying to repostion the conversation. Ok? The majority of women would pick a man, 5ft 11 or taller with a 6-7 inch penis, who is highly masculine, assertive and confident. This describes a very small percentage of men. Women learn to compromise and take what mix of these things they can get. But you have failed to demonstrate that this is related to wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 01:36 PM
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I did it bro , all of them have only one source, it's a study, it was conducted on just 75 woman over the 3d diagrams of 33 penis sizes which they chose First page of google I found this survey of 1300 women with an average age of 42: https://badgirlsbible.com/does-size-matter The study you are talking about used 3D models I believe, not diagrams. The studies I've given are literally on the size of 26k women and 25k men The first one merely says that the men these women are in a relationship wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 01:25 PM
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And you replied that women have a preference for tall men I said tall men, with above average penises, actually, women also have a strong preference for assertive and confident men, but there's not enough men that are the full package for every woman, so they make compromises, but women are, ultimately, less romantically and sexually satisfied as a group. You don't understand what a strawman is. A strawman is an argument against an assertion that no one has actually made, such as your unattribut…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 01:06 PM
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You replied to automod claiming women were not all attracted to the same things, one guy replied to you saying studies show the opposite, then you asked for a source. Not once, however, did anyone say "women all find the same 5% of men attractive", that is a strawman entirely constructed by yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 12:49 PM
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"women all find the same 5% of men attractive." Who are you quoting?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 12:34 PM
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If you just google women's preference for penis size you'll see countless results showing a preference for above average penises, the most common number seems to be around 6.3 or 6.4 inches. To even get to the point where the amount of oxytocin released during orgasm is relevant she needs to already find you attractive anyway. Edit: Also while we're on the topic, there's a correlation between how attractive a woman finds her partner and her likelihood of orgasm.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 11:45 AM
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If you look up studies on height and penis size, they consistently show women have a preference for above average men; 5ft 11 for height, which is taller than ~75% of men and 6-6.5 inches for penis length, around 10% of men have a penis 6 inches or bigger. Most of the differences in women's preferences are superficial and more about presentation, than fundamental characteristics.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/24 07:52 AM
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Why get into a relationship if it will be shitty? I imagine for some it seems it's that or end up living your whole life never feeling even the semblance of love, I know I'm on track for the latter and it'd be different if I had just taken opportunities presented when I was younger, regardless of my believing they would not have worked out. I will never call anyone like that with relationships successful. No one, but maybe an infinitesimally small fraction of humanity, cares whether you personal…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 08:45 AM
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OP is talking about what you need to date, not making a commentary on the quality of relationships after dating. Also at a certain point a man just needs to take any relationship, happy or not, because it's less of a barrier to dating later in life than having had no relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 08:29 AM
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None of this is actually needed; there are paedophiles who end up in relationships with women that will happily give them access to her kids, serial killers who find women to help them find victims, abusers, rapists, racists, misogynists, drug dealers, bums, fat slobs, you name a negative, there'll be guys that fit the bill who find women. The only barrier to dating is inhibition. Men who take, get.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 08:06 AM
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Women are either desperate or enjoy getting treated like shit. They're the only two reasonable explanations for why women let themselves get treated the way they do. I always wonder where the idea that women are picky at all even comes from, lower levels of intelligence and higher levels of criminality correlate with more sexual partners for men, women are also less sexually satisfied than men despite the increasing numbers of involuntarily celibate men. Women are also more likely to be raped, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 06:45 AM
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Indeed, despite what people here seem to believe, I think women's standards and expectations are dropping and they're getting hurt more for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 07:54 AM
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I don't think it's that rare for a woman to think a guy is more invested than he is, I know women that have said "I love you" to guys for whom giving her his weekend is an effort. I can think of two women who were with guys for nearly a decade and found out they'd been sleeping around and cheating on her the whole time, then when they talk about their "relationship" it turns out he'd avoid seeing her family, avoid going out with her friends, they'd not have mutual friends and so on, like most of…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 07:47 AM
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The most mind boggling ones are the women who say they've only ever been in LTRs and, when you talk about their past relationships, it becomes clear she's just let herself get used by multiple guys who never particularly liked her, then brainwashed herself into believing it was a relationship, rather than casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 05:47 AM
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so let her ask for your number/arrange some other meet etc Waiting for this to happen is how men end up incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 05:25 PM
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I had a non-religious upbringing, played sport, regularly went to the gym, I was in good enough shape that I had women in bars feeling my biceps, I went out partying, I saw more of the world in my twenties than the vast majority of people will see in a lifetime. I had a big mixed gender social circle and, later in life, I found out a few of the women I met along the way had crushes on me, some lasting years. People assume I've slept around and have had people describe me as a "ladies man" more t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 03:54 PM
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What are women doing to inspire that sort of investment?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 08:15 PM
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I never said it was a bad thing, I'm saying people who don't appreciate community, don't want to; your OP asks why, that's the answer. I do understand how better, more pro-social communities affects not just romantic relationships, but platonic ones and I believe I addressed that when I said that there's a discussion to be had about the quality and longevity of relationships that start through social interactions vs apps. What I'm trying to say is that I believe a) men who are struggling romanti…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 11:52 PM
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I don't have any goals here, I just took your OP, being addressed to romantically unsuccesful men, as implicitly selling being social as a solution to their romantic failure. If your goal is pro-social behaviour and better relationships between men and women, I don't think the solution is anti-social men forcing themselves to act social however.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 11:26 PM
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I've simply seen too many anti-social guys manage to date, hookup and have long term relationships without ever being "phase 1" to not believe they're entirely seperate skill sets and if the issue we're trying to address is romantic struggle, going by the first sentence of your title, then I think they'd be better served by learning how to present themselves and be seductive. I enjoy a rich social life and am energised interacting with people, but I know that a lot of people don't and forcing th…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 11:00 PM
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Yeah I addressed that with an edit which I imagine you missed, your OP doesn't mention socio-sexuality or seduction.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 10:46 PM
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If those guys were to present themselves better and learn how to be seductive, then they can be anti-social app users or social butterflies, I don't think either route is going to be significantly better. I say this as an extroverted social chameleon who has had zero romantic success, partying and being social will expose you to more women than not being so, but a man who learns to present himself and seduce women can get exposure via dating apps without being a "10/10". I think there is a discu…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 10:40 PM
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I think unflattering profiles, not knowing how to sell themselves and not being good at seduction via text, are men's biggest issues on dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 09:59 PM
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The guys I know that hookup the most do it via the apps, it's a lot less time and effort than going out to parties and building a social circle. Edit: I know it doesn't work for a lot of men, but it's not like most guys are getting opportunities from every party they go to. I believe any guy that can regularly hookup at parties can hookup quicker and more efficiently via dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 09:54 PM
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Maybe a couple decades ago, but with dating apps you don't need to be social to meet women. I've known guys who don't do much outside of work and play video games, who regularily hook up and establish short term relationships via the apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 09:49 PM
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Just firting, escalation and seduction, nothing else really matters all that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 09:32 PM
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from night 1, he was ALL in on Jenn. He was telling everyone that he’s here for her and made it very apparent that he wants to be with her and she’s “the one” for him This alone should be enough for any sane woman to sidestep a guy. You cannot be someone's "the one" before they know you, it is either an admission of mental instability or a very early indicator of their potential to be possesive and abusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 09:20 PM
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Not anymore, but I used to party a lot, bars, clubs, friend's places, random people's places, even went to dances ocassionaly; throughout my teens and twenties I drank alot, took drugs, danced, travelled to, and partied in, many countries. I glide through social situations with little effort and make friend's easily, but I have also never even been on a date. I've known plenty of anti-social bums, racists, homophobes, misogynists, you name it, that have plenty of romantic success. I don't believ…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 09:08 PM
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Definitely a partner. I regularly get headhunted by employers, not so much by women. Now I think about it, I've found employment to be more like how some people claim dating should be; I've simply done things that interest me and put myself out there. I find interviews a breeze because the company is trying to sell it to me. Overall I've found job hunting easy because employers are far more keen, communicate more clearly, are willing to show how much they value me and when they want me to take a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 07:48 AM
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These are no different than what someone who wants to be a friend does; if these were signs of romantic interest, then virtually every woman I've ever spoken to was romantically interested in me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 07:13 AM
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So men can’t read body language? Can’t read micro expressions? Can’t see danger coming? Can’t pick up flirting? Can women? I've heard from a few that they were (mutually) interested in me, but thought I didn't feel the same because I never made a move. I'm not the only man who has heard such, I'm sure. If women can read the signs, why would they not just make a move themselves?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/24 07:12 AM
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Why is saying women are incapable of loving most men an indictment of women, rather than men?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 10:25 AM
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