QuietStoat Archive

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1	Asking women for advice does not work. THE FIRST SIGMACHAD...	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/03/26 10:20 AM
0	Asking women for advice does not work. HOLY SHIT YOU'RE RIGHT! Now its a question of the first progenitor, and if they had discovered it or bestowed upon him by the ancient/divine source.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/03/26 06:48 AM
5	Women have far too much of an in-group bias to ever have fair discourse Problem is in-group bias is being conflated with gender politics bias. One can have a bias towards a given group, but not agree with the politics of said group. (ala I identify as X, I will protect X, I do not agree with the political views of group X) Also automatically assumes group X to have homogeneous political views, overgeneralization, vocal minority arguments, etc... He isn't wrong that there is a definite in-group bias amongst modern women in general, but to put it as MOST is an oversta…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/03/26 04:00 AM
0	Women have far too much of an in-group bias to ever have fair discourse Touche. Take my upvote. But sadly didn't tackle the argument. Therefore ad hominem.	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/03/26 03:40 AM
4	Women have far too much of an in-group bias to ever have fair discourse Hey, you can swap that metric with both men and women and get similar results. Also YES, in-group/intergroup/group tent (pick whichever academic term you want) are a predictor of political and gender bias. Despite it being statistically significant it is NOT the biggest indicator for it. Based on current estimates for TRP that 40% of young males watch or follow at least one channel, that by the same percentage (and I am being very generous with the interpretation of data) over 60% either reject …	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/03/26 03:39 AM
0	Asking women for advice does not work. Not necessarily science, more so above statistical norms. Unless talking about the OG redpills that probably became purples in the modern movement. Science would be that which is under the "science of attraction" umbrella, which TRP relies on but selectively ignores. I think ballpark figure is like 30% of the stuff under the research umbrella gets thrown out the window by some of the hardline RPs. Since TRP suffers from the same problem of feminists, i.e. the internal civil wars and "snakes in t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	02/03/26 02:48 AM
1	Are mothers more likely to enable harmful behavior from overlooking red flags to staying silent when it matters most? Problem is how do you determine the level of permissiveness that also allows the child a level of autonomy. Absolute permissiveness is literally apathy or non-discipline. Absolute control is de-personalization. I've probably seen every permutation of this and I'm more worried this is a cultural failure of parenting, traditional family values, and social conditioning than a specific gender issue. That being said though, just by psychological research, you can make the case that because of general…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/26 06:50 PM
0	People can feel physical and sexual desire without having sex. To add on... For men it is possible to simultaneously be worried about being used for money, while also being worried that you get judged or ghosted when this occurs. So from the female perspective OP... please add on to how an individual should remedy this dilemma. (thanks in advance)	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/26 05:36 PM
5	Asking women for advice does not work. And TRP as a group aren't looking for the same woman? Welcome to socialized preferences. Different interations of surface qualities, fundamentally the same underneath. Its cause both men AND women are operating on their biological imperatives. Go figure. Yeah, because we actively do conduct sexual relations research. Of which the status samples included the same RPWs whose research were fundamental to the TRP movement. Unless a majority of our case studies being hooked up to a polygraph are also…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/26 05:08 PM
1	Normal adults accept that their fantasies will rarely become reality. Question: When you mean "settled on" do you mean the woman actually is content with their situation and loves the man? Legitimate question. Because both gender's have that innate fear of winding up in that situation, and I find it EXTREMELY problematic for people to wind up in a relation and even marriage if the core reason for doing so is "I cannot stand being alone".	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/26 04:41 PM
–	Feminists use gaslighting. You automatically disqualify your logic by assuming universality. There were waves of feminism btw, currently we are on the 4th wave of feminism (See feminist history). For the sake of the argument, I will assume you specifically mean malicious and disingenuous feminists. In which case yes you are correct in that those tactics were commonly used, but you also have to consider that those are common tactics used in manipulation. And manipulation is not specific to feminists. Please quantify your s…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/26 04:35 PM
3	Asking women for advice does not work. No I agree that its unfair that women often lie about what they want. Just saying why you don't expect them to be truthful if you aren't close. I don't really expect anyone to be truthful and try to fact check what I get. People are hypocrites frequently. Classify the homogenous statement? How so? Because I can also make the claim that human beings when it comes to intimacy and bonding are also very homogenous. From experience with female friends, No. Because depending on the type of sexual rela…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/26 04:27 PM
4	Asking women for advice does not work. Yeah, hence why you are partially correct. But the context in which you are correct is different. It's not asking for women for advice doesn't work. It's that you are asking the WRONG women for advice. Women don't need to be attracted to you to be honest. If you want like a statistically relevant answer... TRP to somebody that has no close and honest female friends, probably works a lot more. However someone with close and honest female friends has access to far better and more accurate interpre…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/26 04:17 PM
1	Asking women for advice does not work. So TRP does have actual feminine psychology in mind when talking. I'm not disagreeing with that. But to assume that women don't know what they want VS Women WON'T TELL YOU what they want, are 2 different things. One is that they are INCAPABLE of telling you. The other is that they CHOOSE NOT TO tell you. In other words, they do not want to be honest given the social context. Access to quality mate selection, working on yourself, attention paradox, mate stealing behavior etc... all of those are r…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/26 04:10 PM
11	Asking women for advice does not work. Ok so partially true and partially false. 1 - you cannot expect the woman to be honest, if you are not close to her. (Self-explanatory, because some advice can be misinterpreted or weaponized, it is common for them to not go full disclosure) 2 - you cannot expect ALL women to be homogeneous. (Different strokes for different folks.) 3 - Knowing points 1 and 2, widely interpreted common wisdom often fails. Now flip the script for women asking about men too. We all also don't say the same things ei…	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/26 03:59 PM
0	Feminists use "misogyny" as an excuse to avoid critcism. BAD and MALICIOUS feminists use misogyny as an excuse to avoid criticism. You are doing what they do to you too. Overgeneralize and Straw-man. Technically its also an Ad hominem. Modern discussion of gender issues has been less actual discussion and more people blindly screaming at each other with cookie cutter arguments and never actually contending with the argument.	/r/PurplePillDebate	01/03/26 09:05 AM
1	Society and weak men stroke women's egos for simply just existing, which makes many of them entitled and self centered. Hmm... You seem to be conflating 2 correlated occurrences. 1 - we assume that your example is true, that we stroke their egos for just existing (IDK how to specifically prove this categorically, but lets assume they hold a special place.) 2 - which makes them entitled and self-centered. For point 2 to occur, you have to say that treating someone well makes them self-centered. Isn't this untrue? Since you can be given everything under the sun and still not be an ass. If you want to talk about mod…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/26 09:44 PM
1	Bad men are not analogous to the weather Call me an asshole, but I think she shouldn't be at risk and society should keep her safe for 2 reasons. 1 - Not only is it a woman's right that she should be allowed to behave with some irresponsibility (as long as that does not jeopardize others) - minor issue wrt religious multicultural and multiracial societies, in which case you follow the laws of the land you are on. 2 - if society successfully reaches that point, its free eye candy. So it's indirectly a public good. (ofc photography of he…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/26 09:20 PM
2	People who insert other groups into the "man vs bear" argument are inconsistent Sorry I don't have the data for that specific group. Though hypothetically, you could take the general incidence rate of criminal activity by them as segment of population, adjust for per capita incidence rate and structural bias, then compare to the SA rate by men. Then let the woman choose the statistically correct one.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/26 09:04 PM
1	Bad men are not analogous to the weather In that case we agree more than you realize. Its because its so hard for women to disentangle from men, that blaming her for SA is horribly unfair. However, we also do know that men as a whole statistically are more likely to commit SA, so likewise women need to come to terms with that fact. (additionally she can be doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING and then get SA'd cause predatory behavior can be arbitrary - see SA casestudies and criminal typologies.) We both want the same outcome, a world that's safe…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/26 08:35 PM
–	Women who don’t get approached by men aren’t “too intimidating” or “too pretty” Yeah, I misread. Mb thought from the sentence structure that you were disagreeing with the core premise. But instead you were agreeing.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/26 08:26 PM
–	Women who don’t get approached by men aren’t “too intimidating” or “too pretty” I would be uncomfortable. (Additionally, I question where this line of questioning or reasoning is going...) Your plain janes were unhappy being approached by people at the furry convention. There were no hot guys at the convention. They did not like the guys at the convention that was approaching them. (Unless you were supporting the point. In which case my bad.)	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/26 08:21 PM
–	Women who don’t get approached by men aren’t “too intimidating” or “too pretty” You aren't disproving the point.	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/26 08:15 PM
2	Bad men are not analogous to the weather I do think its inherent to men as a sex... (male btw) When Men Behave Badly: The Hidden Roots of Sexual Deception, Harassment, and Assault - David M. Buss It's because we don't acknowledge it nor actively teach self-control. Society doesn't regulate by ostracizing those guilty of it enough. Predatory instinct is vestigial, but accepting it as inherent and making the consistent conscious choice to choose not to, and if the individual feels they are failing at it, seek therapy and not pathologize …	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/26 08:04 PM
0	Wanting people to be honest that they just want sex is not the same thing as being sex negative. Side tangent... but if the guy is expected to suddenly stop his chase after failing to meet the deadline for his sexual desires, he might consider it as sunk cost fallacy and pursue until he gets it. So continued commitment does not necessarily guarantee investment long-term. Radical honesty exists because the male wants to be open and frank, and is occasionally successful if both parties agree that its transactional. (Though more likely such individuals benefit more from hiding intent and then …	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/26 07:56 PM
1	People who insert other groups into the "man vs bear" argument are inconsistent Problem is that the studies pertaining to the urge to SA have been misconstrued. The issue is that sexual desire and urge to SA feel the same, but SA includes the violation through non-consent of the female. All men feel sexual urges. Not all men feel the urge to SA. The problem is that a lot of men aren't specific enough to distinguish between the two. There is a case for minors though. In terms of sexual dimorphism, females attain sexual maturity before the modern age of consent. Age of consen…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/26 07:27 PM
1	Bad men are not analogous to the weather Party B wishes to assault for their own benefit. It's how abusers think. They do it and they feel good. Often times its described as an urge which overrides self-control. So sometimes these individuals SHOULD be quietly treated while mitigating their exposure to the rest of society. If its criminal and problematic, then its straight isolation or culling. And I have evidence to show that the occurrence of SA has been quite common throughout history. Men do deal with urges, but they often overcome…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/26 07:13 PM
–	Women who don’t get approached by men aren’t “too intimidating” or “too pretty” They often complain about the men they WANT not approaching them. Which is simply ingrained selection bias among both men and women. Just that its more rude to tell a woman she's ugly than a man. (Partially because society values aesthetic beauty more in women than in men - women for looks, men for wealth and power). And since overton window and self-censorship exists. Therefore we don't do it as often. But counterpoint, different stroke for different folks. And not every guy can possibly make t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/26 07:01 PM
0	People who insert other groups into the "man vs bear" argument are inconsistent FINALLY! AN INTERESTING TAKE! Technically you have to consider the overton window. Currently people are unwilling to say certain racial groups have higher tendencies to commit crimes. Currently the overton window is permissible towards sexism but not racism. (I have research papers that determine certain haplo, and by extension racial groups have increased levels of testosterone which correlate with aggression and violence. But because the correlation isn't considered statistically relevant, you…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/26 06:49 PM
3	Bad men are not analogous to the weather No but you see, its WHY the second clause of whether or not it was REASONABLE to expect the mitigation of A. If you can PROVE universality of occurrence and how unreasonable it is to expect party A to mitigate the risk, then I am in agreement. But the difficulty is the burden of proof, for BOTH society and the individual to state their case. (i.e. society cannot too pass judgement without the burden of proof) Also, a woman being at fault does not automatically mean society takes no action. The l…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/26 06:34 PM
-1	Bad men are not analogous to the weather Logically Kinda. Emotionally Yes. Let's reframe the question. Change assault by a man, to assault by a woman. (I.e. flip the genders or perform the "veil of ignorance"/double-blind test) Still a conscious choice by an individual in a given group which statistically has an increased propensity to do X. Logically an individual can perform actions prior to X occurrence, and their actions may OR may not have led to X. An assumption cannot be made about the occurrence of X, only that a set of actions…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/26 05:55 PM
1	Men say that they don't have in group bias, because it's not proven, but it actually is. Weirdly enough all your point's were biases that occur on both sides. Women do victim blaming as well. Women also have untrue assumed competencies like higher emotional control. Mansplaining brought up when women do the same to men. It's another gender neutral occurrence. The entire post takes what naturally occurs from both male and female sides but takes only one. Doesn't help you having a woman's flair which exacerbates the likelihood of you also failing to see your own side's biases. I can t…	/r/PurplePillDebate	28/02/26 11:32 AM
1	Men say that they don't have in group bias, because it's not proven, but it actually is. Think the correct answer to this is that PEOPLE have in-group bias. I can take this and apply it to BOTH men and women and get the same statistical results. Trying to get both sides to actually listen to each other is like banging my head against a brick wall. Information literacy and common sense seems to have broken down where people can't go 5 minutes without respecting the counter-party and listening to understand. This whole sub has become a debate fest about trying to be right rather than …	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/26 11:22 PM
1	Can we figure out something to differentiate between old redpill and new redpill? Old RP left because there was a realization that rather than being factual, the movement started to get co-opted and eventually twisted. It used to be rational attempts at explaining observed and felt phenomena, but then it turned into this bullshit. The OG red pills have essentially become purple pills moderators because that was what the original point of the movement was. To document, rationalize and raise awareness for the problem of young men. It wasn't trying to deny the experience of wome…	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/26 10:55 PM
1	Men say they want “good girls” but they reward hoes Problem is that its a double blind game. It's signalling theory that they want to simultaneously improve their position and get what they want. Hoes abuse their physicality in the hopes of landing one that stays. Then the men that lie about low body count do so to expand their pool of options. The problem is determining the behavior of the real from the fakes. And then you have those that want a sign of commitment that implies some degree of loss or vulnerability. And then that currency becomes …	/r/PurplePillDebate	27/02/26 10:36 PM