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Sleep with? A, easily.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 10:21 PM
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It's the same as asking about any of their other qualities or goals, people can always lie about anything. They can lie about being educated, having a particular job, already having a partner etc. You can't live your life presuming everything is a lie, you'd be miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 10:19 PM
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I'm aware, I read your post. I'm just saying it's happening enough with others to cause some confusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 05:43 PM
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Two reasons I think: Men and women seem to be talking about different things. A significant amount of women replied to this post saying they think the guy on the left is more attractive based on assumptions about his personality like because 'he seems less intense' or 'looks like he wouldn't judge you for eating a burger'. Men are just responding to who is more attractive purely physically. It may not align with their lived experience. A lot of men that spend significant parts of the year being …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 05:05 PM
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I want a virgin woman because I think penises are gross. You want one because you unironically think it'll increase your chances of divorce because she'll be fantasizing about her past lovers. We are not the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 06:28 PM
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Respectfully, I think I understand what I'm attracted and unattracted towards, and for me there is definitely a difference between virgins and non-virgins in that regard. Sure, they could lie but they could also lie about being deeply in debt or being a horrible person, that's just what you have to account for whilst navigating life. Not being her first is a really good way to know you're not special, she's literally let other men inside of her, a strong indicator if there is one. Besides, I hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 09:41 PM
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Several reasons, mainly because I'm unattracted to non virgins + I want someone who sees me as special
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/25 02:01 PM
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Uhh, they're not going to mention that around you. I don't bring up body count around my female friends either.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/25 02:19 AM
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Maybe it's just not as common for women, men talk about it quite a lot, though I've even had women I'm dating bring up the topic first.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 10:10 PM
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Body counts make dating feel so pointless at times, I'll really like a girl but the odds her being a virgin is near zero and I'm not settling for a non-virgin so the odds of us being together long term and getting married is near zero. It's kind of like scratching lottery tickets except every single ticket costs so much emotionally.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/25 09:20 PM
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Well I don't think either have ethical value. I was just curious as to why you would say sex has it but virginity doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 09:16 AM
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Why wouldn't virginity if sex does?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/25 01:49 AM
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That's my point, then you actually believe virginity has some kind of ethical value. That's fine of course, but I'd wager for a lot of men it's a gut feeling thing, not an ethical valuation.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 09:58 PM
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What I find interesting that often those who would insist that body count is not important tacidly affirm that it is in the language they use. Consider the most common response to men who say that they want low body count/virgin women being 'are you a virgin yourself?'. This gets framed as being about double standards except of course we never expect that from any other truly neutral characteristic. Someone doesn't have to be blond to like blondes, or tall to prefer taller people, or muscular to…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 08:04 PM
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I feel like you're making the mistake of thinking it's an active choice or belief, when often I think it's the actual reasons are subconscious with the man only experiencing the emotions from it. I don't even think people who are virgins themselves wanting other virgins is for 'matching experience levels', it's just the post hoc reasoning people use to justify their feelings, and a poor justification too if used as one. I'd liken it to liking blue eyes, sure, we could psychoanalyse this preferen…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 07:51 PM
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Early twenties, not that I think it matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/25 03:06 AM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/25 12:58 AM
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A relationship of convenience as opposed to one of love.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 07:09 PM
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Well, boundaries are arbitrary by nature, so if you start constructing your boundaries in such a way after the first guy as to where you're looking for the person who causes the least inconveniences then yes, I'd like woman with less boundaries. Not because of what you're insinuating though, but because the nature of the relationship is going to be different.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 06:47 PM
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I don't understand what you're getting at, you want me to make a comprehensive list of the precise details of each instance? Just so I understand, is the idea that I'm lying about having witnessed these things?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 02:52 PM
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Well, they often are, and if they arent I find that even sadder.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 02:42 PM
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Willing to go farther for them, willing to make more sacrifices, willing to try new things, willing to be more forgiving of flaws. You know, all thethings you associate with love they did less with their later boyfriends as opposed to their first ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/25 12:36 PM
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Controversial but part of me genuinely believes women lose the ability to love after their first one, just from observing the massive difference in how the women I know treated their first boyfriend vs all the subsequent ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/25 11:48 PM
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Unironically yes. Not because people who are casually sleeping together have a great relationship, but because online relationships are that unserious. You chose to stay in the city you were and commit to your work as opposed to this man you supposedly were so in love and planning a future with. He never had you, that's what you're not getting. You can't lose something you don't have. Which is why he switched tactics, if what he was doing would have gotten you to be with him, none of this would …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 11:04 PM
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In this scenario it literally is, as it is the case in most. There's a reason she's talking about how much of a husband material he is now, something she just so happen to not notice during the previous several years of their 'friendship'.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 10:59 PM
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If husband material means being the last choice then obviously, who would want that?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 12:56 PM
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Sex is a part of it but you guys weren't even together in person, this was never much of a relationship. You thought you wanted to marry him and have kids, after he was orbiting for years, and also whilst you were actively choosing other commitments to being with him in person. You think this guy changed his tune because of a random post on social media? He changed tactics because he wasn't happy with things as it was, so irrespective of if the new tactics work, the very fact that there was a ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 12:50 PM
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While he was in a relationship with someone else? Yes, him being in a relationship doesn't change anything. And that's his fault Sure is. I'm just pointing out you guys were never even in a real relationship, so maybe manosphere tactics don't work, but being a simp sure as hell doesn't either.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 10:23 AM
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So yeah, an orbitor. Or are you naive enough to think he hasn't been into you this entire time? You can plan you future, if it doesn't become reality there isn't really that much of a benefit to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/25 09:27 AM
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I don't know how true effective manosphere tactics are, but it's clear that being a simp isn't all that effective either. You kept this orbitar around this long as a 'friend', then an online 'relationship' because you were prioritizing other things in life, he didn't get much there either.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/25 11:48 PM
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Hookup material: Is attractive. Girlfriend material: Is attractive, fun to be around, body count 1 - 4 Wife material: Is attractive, fun to be around, virgin, no male friends
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/25 07:30 AM
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Unless you're particularly wealthy, which most of us are not, the extra money they can bring in is worth a lot in terms of your QOL. It may mean a nicer house, better schools for your children, more holidays etc. Getting to have conversations about academic subjects they've studied is also a major bonus.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 08:00 PM
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Yes, definitely a red flag. Don't date women that are 'bad' at texting (fyi:they aren't bad, they're careless).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 06:56 AM
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I think there's a distinction here, experienced men typically have enough social awareness to not slut shame a woman in public, but people often confuse that with not caring about n-count.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 02:53 AM
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Marriage isn't even really worth it for me unless it's with a virgin. Might aswell keep my options open at that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 02:36 AM
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I actually think chubby women can be quite attractive, i just wouldn't date one long term because people gain weight as they age. So the beautiful curvy woman can easily slip into obesity.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 01:04 AM
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Height is more of a hard limit, it has diminishing returns after that point. Looks aren't like that, it's always better to look even more handsome. I'd easily take looking like Zayn Malik and being 5'9 over being average looking and 6'4.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 12:50 AM
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It's just hella cope. Most white knights are pathetic as hell in most departments, so they're holding out the possibility that if they're the ones who are genuinely nice, they'll get the girl one day.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 05:20 AM
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Not as concerned about it, I don't think of making out as sexual. Ideally she wouldn't have but it's not a deal breaker.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 10:02 AM
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I dunno, why do I like tall women? It's a matter of personal taste, I don't find non-virgins as attractive. For me, she's would have had to have no sexual contact with any man, I consider that a virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 09:39 AM
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I'm young, early 20s, so they're not as rare. But yeah, I'm ethnic and women in my community save themselves for marriage, especially back in my country. So that's always an option. I have zero reason to settle for less.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 03:19 AM
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Only if she's a virgin, with a non-virgin it's not becoming permanent.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 03:13 AM
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Relationship is temporary, marriage is permanent.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 03:13 PM
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I'd let her know how I see things into the relationship relatively soon. If she is dating to marry then I leave
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 03:12 PM
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This is a complete miss. I'd easily take a woman over 25 that's a virgin rather than one under 25 that's not. For one, being over 25 is hardly old, for another, it just means she's had descipline concerning this aspect of her life for longer, which is a bonus.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 03:45 AM
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I'm willing to let a body count of up to 3 slide for a relationship, but no way in hell am marrying anyone but a virgin. I'm keeping my standards high.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 06:46 PM
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Yeah it does. Same reason casual sex is worse then relationships. I'd take a woman who as had 10 partners that she was in a relationship with over one that has had 1 but It was casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 06:00 PM
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I'd consider it low, not that I see it as relevant to what I want.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 08:52 AM
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Well the target audience for this content is often teens, you realise how important a woman's career is as soon as you see these house prices.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 03:45 AM
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Being warm and kind, being responsible and accountable, being fit, having a low body count, dressing modestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 03:36 AM
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I have deep ethical disagreements with sex work that I'd like my partner to share so no.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 05:08 AM
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How would you even know this? Do you know the n-counts of the people around you who are dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 03:07 AM
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I don't get why men that (supposedly) don't care about body counts are so hostile towards men that do. You don't see this with other differences of taste, you don't see men who like brunettes try to psychoanalyse and insult men who like blondes. It's interesting to say the least.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 12:29 PM
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Yes, I do have a past. I don't know what number makes someone a hoe, I don't think there is such a number tbh. I just know what I want in my wife and that is a virgin with no past whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 12:20 PM
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Wouldn't make much sense for me to do that at this point in my life. I know that I won't be okay with her past and also know that I can get a girl with no past, the logical solution for me is the latter. So no, not until I know for sure a past like that wouldn't bother me.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 12:10 PM
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If one of my friends got a western girl like that I'd consider it a W, they're pretty rare. Personally I wouldn't wife a girl like that since I can get a girl with no past from my cultural background or country.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 11:54 AM
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How bad your situation is depends on how you view things. What your girl has done is pretty tame compared to the average woman in the West though.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 11:18 AM
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Depends on you man, me personally, I've been in that situation before and know I can't look past it. I've just decided that I won't wife up any girl whose past I'm uncomfortable with. It's not worth the grief it will cause for both of us.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 07:23 AM
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I don't think it matters at all, that is unless it's particularly run down and dirty, but I think has more to do with what people assume it says about your character (that you're lazy, unclean etc). I think a more interesting question is how big of a disadvantage is not having a car at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 06:58 AM
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Isn't that dudes that are just touch deprived and lonely? If a guy can get casual sex regularly he definitely isn't in that category of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 05:51 AM
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I dunno, I'm a young man and I see these older professional women in their 30s a lot, and they definetly have an elegance to them, I think they're quite attractive. Obviously, few of them would want to date a significantly younger man, and even if they did it's not like it would work out long term but I don't think they're 'inferior products' or anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 07:39 AM
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I love tooth gaps. Girls with unique teeth in general usually have the most personality filled smiles.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 12:32 AM
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So he only feels desired when his dick is in her pussy? He just wants sex. Theres more to sex than physical act of it. In this case what sex means for how much a woman desires you. Men aren't oblivious to the inherent risks that sex has for women, especially when they don't know you, so to know that a woman desired you enough to take on those risks means a lot. It's what the sex represents, not the sex itself. Which is why I think it's overly simplistic to say that these guys just want sex. The …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 03:42 PM
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It's not that simple. I'm sure some just want to hook up, but many who are looking for a relationship will still feel like you don't desire them as much as the guys you hooked up with. That's a much bigger problem then just wanting to hook up. Theres very little you can do to get around this problem. So it's better to just not date men who feel that way imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 03:19 PM
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Complications like this is why I especially avoid getting into relationships with women who have hooked up. Because I can get why you'd want to wait, but at the same time I can get why a guy would feel insulted that he had to wait whilst someone else didn't. I think you should stick to your principles OP, don't have sex immediately if you don't want. It'll put some men off but that's fine, you just need one who will understand you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 03:05 PM
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I don't think the word should be used that way. Because then what you're saying is a tautology and contributes very little to discussion. With this definition obviously Incels are misogynistic but misogynists are also incels, because you've merged the two terms.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 08:24 AM
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You're right but I don't think it's from incels. It's from men who date women, have negative experiences and respond with misogyny. Most actual irl incels are extremely naive in my experience and have extremely idealistic views of women. It's only when that fantasy is shattered that they become misogynistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 08:02 AM
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I'm not someone who cares that much about the luxuries money can buy. I make enough to have an okay quality of life even if my partner is unemployed and I'm happy with that. So it doesn't really make sense for me to filter for this when dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 07:53 AM
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I'm resigned to the possibility that a woman worth marrying may never come by. I wonder what percent of men who say they won't get married just don't think they'll find a woman like that as opposed go being opposed to marriage outright.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 07:49 AM
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You can value yourself highly and not care about n count. Never said so otherwise. It's not exclusive to caring about n-counts, it's just an instance of indicating so. not necessarily improve the quality of them. Lol, agree to disagree. You will always be someone’s “last choice” when they settle down with you, even if you’re also their first choice Your last choice is one the option you are forced to pick because all the other ones have been exhausted, in contrast to a choice that was unconstrai…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 01:39 AM
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Because it means that you value yourself highly and insist on having high standards, you refuse to be someone's last choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/24 01:07 AM
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I meant common as one of the things women do with one partner and not the other. Not common in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 06:55 PM
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Yeah, it's the biggest one where women agree to do it once and refuse to do it afterwards. Which is fine and understandable. But it's also understandable if you're the next dude and miss out on something you want to try but the dude got to have it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 06:42 PM
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It can be if that's the thing she did with other dudes and refuses to do with you. It's anything of that nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 06:33 PM
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I wouldnt mind tbh if she was a virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 06:32 PM
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Or both instances of having self-respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/24 06:30 PM
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Already responded to this in depth in my other comments, feel free to read them if actually interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 02:06 PM
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I'm not going to even ask you to substantiate this because it's not even relevant to what I was saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 02:05 PM
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Well, for one, I'd like for you to prove this. Two, the kind of broad ranging social impacts that would result if the majority of women were not virgins before marriage could hardly be covered up.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 09:58 AM
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Casual as in they weren't in a defined relationship and had sex. If she did that shes definitely not your soul mate. It's funny because the dude still believes in puppy love whilst she's obviously way beyong that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 02:47 AM
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I'm not calling anyone a hoe, I'm just saying that if a dude is looking at a girl whose done that like she's his soul mate then it's admittedly laughable.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 02:34 AM
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For casual sex yes, low bodycount in relationships no.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 02:23 AM
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I'm aware, was just answering the question to the best of my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 02:12 AM
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Wait, how are you making this assessment if people didn't get caught and therefore it wasn't recorded? This is just a wild guess. Also, before reliable contraceptives you would've had more than a few unwanted pregnancies, the consequences of what you're claiming would have existed in the historical record.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 01:30 AM
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I made the conclusion by reading up on it. I'd recommend doing the same for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 01:19 AM
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Yes they were. Shotgun weddings were carried out precisely to cover up a deviation from the societal norm. If the virgins were in the minority as they are today the norm couldn't have been maintained for as long as it did.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 01:14 AM
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People in the past married much younger (women usually in their early twenties), so they didn’t have to wait so long. But evidently they did wait, demonstrating that virgins aren't just asexual. Historically, many brides were also pregnant on their wedding day or the couple had to marry because the woman was pregnant. And these are only the "failed cases", so much more people had premarital sex. This is true but has nothing to do with what I'm saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 01:07 AM
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Imagine trying to argue that women didn’t want to be sexually liberated when they literally campaigned tooth and nail for that exact freedom. Western liberal women did, I never denied that. To say women as a collective did is simply inaccurate. The sexual revolution was during a specific historical epoch for a reason, and it wasn't because women suddenly startled liking sex, because my point is that women have always liked sex. The sexual revolution was a change of ideology of sex, not it's desi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 01:03 AM
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I'm comfortable in making that assessment based on what ancient societies from Athens to China had to say on the subject and the later influence of the Abrahamic religions. Especially in an era before reliable contraceptives.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 12:56 AM
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I think the idea is that it is a need for men, whilst it isn't a need for women. You can have empirical disagreements here, but the views aren't inconsistent in themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 12:44 AM
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Because people lived in tighter (and smaller) communities, if a woman had had sex it would've been known. And again, what you're failing to account for here is that women themselves believed in it too, just as there are women today who believe in it. Lmao, you're not bursting any bubbles as much as demonstrating your lack of historical understanding. The sexual revolution was the result of the complex ideological commitments of liberalism, not because women just decided one day that they actuall…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 12:41 AM
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Most women for most of recorded history were virgins until their marriage. So unless you think women only started desiring sex recently this is something we know to be true. They wait till marriage if that is come thing they believe in strongly. She can have high standards, let's be honest here, most young men aren't really quality people. It's entirely possible that a woman who has high standards and sticks to them would stuggle to find someone and therefore be a virgin. Once again, desire for …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 12:13 AM
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Also off considering most women were like youself for much of history in the western world. By this logic American and European women only started liking sex since about the middle of the 20th Century.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 11:54 PM
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She would if she: 1. On principle does not wish to have sex before marriage despite desiring the sex itself 2. Has not found a man she feels comfortable enough to have sex with. These two reasons cover a significant amount of virgin women. Your reasoning presumes people don't refrain from things they desire, which is simply false. Virgin women aren't asexual, they just have different beliefs, standards and mindsets Edit:FYI there are people that desire cheeseburgers that don't eat it for reasons…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 11:51 PM
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I'd leave. It clearly means I married the type of woman I don't intent on marrying.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 11:40 PM
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I mean, it's entirely possible to behave one way yourself but find that undesirable in a potential partner. I don't shave my legs, I wouldn't really want that in my partner. My guess is that for men that hold both these views, they believe that the desire for sex isn't as strong for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 11:29 PM
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How are you going to marry a woman who doesn’t like sex I don't get why people conflate women that are virgins and women that don't like sex, there's some overlap but these are different groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 11:24 PM
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You really can't find a man or woman who will seriously say: "Gods I'm so worried about my partner's past lovers while my partner treats me with passion, understanding, genuine love and he/she fucks me like there's no tomorrow." Wonder if there's just fundamentally different ways people care about n-count. Because what you're describing here is inverted for me, I care more when I have a good relationship. I couldn't care less about it when in shitty relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 08:40 PM
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I think the idea is that they are more likely to be dissatisfied in their relationships, or that she has lower standards and is impulsive. I dunno, it all feels post hoc to me. Lots of dudes find women that sleep around distasteful then work backwards to try to justify that distaste to make it seem more rational.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 08:22 PM
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Pity more like, if the girl is particularly bad. Like that dude unironically thinks that she's his soul mate or something and brings her flowers. I guess I could I see the humour, but more of a sad laugh than anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/24 08:19 PM
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Would you guys consider letting slightly higher count then your deal breaker slide if the other person was perfect otherwise. Like, when I think of it, I may set aside a count of 1 or 2 if she's great in every other aspect. The grief from the count could be offset from a lack of stress in anything else. But then again, I feel like in that scenario If I misjudge her being perfect in other aspects, and she ends up not being so, I'd just end up leaving. So maybe even for a seemingly perfect woman i…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 06:09 AM
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Likewise
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 08:47 PM
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I think the less concerned women are with the way men will perceive their n count, the better. As a man who would only consider virgins for marriage, I agree. This would save everyone a whole lot of stress. You don't need to internalise what we think of your body count, it's a question of attraction and compatibility at the end of the day. If we dont align on that level, we go our seperate ways. Attaching your self-esteem to it, and trying to argue about it or, much worse, lying isn't going to h…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 08:40 PM
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If you don’t fantasize about sex or want to masturbate, you aren’t having pervasive sexual thoughts You're just restating a tautology. Obviously if you don't think about sex, you don't think about sex. That has nothing to do with virginity though, virgins can have sexual thoughts.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 08:26 AM
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You didn't think "such a woman" existed in droves in my time? No, I'd wager not. Society has changed a lot in 50 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 07:40 AM
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As in they have the breast size that suits their frame, so it would look worse were it to be bigger or smaller for them. But that's just from my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 05:19 AM
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But what makes you think these women don't have sexual thoughts? We're talking about their actions, they may have sexual thoughts all the time and just not act on them. 9/10 times this is the case, the only major difference between virgin women and non-virgin women are principles, not sexuality itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 05:04 AM
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Different times unc, you haven't seen what we've seen or experienced what we have. In abstraction it may not sound bad, but the reality of being with such women is completely different.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 04:58 AM
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Yup, all the post hoc reasoning just confuses everyone needlessly. The bodycount itself is what the problem is, I'm fully willing to admit this, it makes looking for the right woman way easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 04:52 AM
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For you maybe, I don't really care if I'm treated average, I don't need king treatment front my partner. What I want is a companion, someone I love, and that isn't going to be a promiscuous woman for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 04:45 AM
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Well the question wasn't about masturbation, but people can refrain from things they desire due to their moral beliefs. That's entirely normal and something most people have experience with themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 04:41 AM
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I don't think so, I think most women tend to have the size that suits them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 04:29 AM
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my man Luigi is 5'10 I thought he was 6'1? Dude gives tall energy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 04:27 AM
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If you've been around women it's quite easy to tell, they care, but it's not always a deal breaker for most them, because if it was many wouldn't be able to find a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 04:22 AM
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More desirable in the sense that I'd actually consider marrying her and building a life with her, obviously they're not as desirable if you just want to have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/24 12:38 AM
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I mean sure, there are assholes around but I don't think that's any different to men online making fun of fat women. My issues is that we pretend that this specific preference is some kind of cardinal sin, especially if the man isn't a virgin themselve.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 08:34 AM
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I doubt she would be my wife if she felt that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/24 05:36 AM
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No. The only exception would be if they had a major redeeming quality that isn't mediocre, but If it's mediocrity all around then no.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 05:03 PM
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, that they defile them and that women associating with them equals getting dirtied. Well, it's not them, it's other men. something she can't have with someone who downgrades others and strips them of their value Theres nothing inherent to wanting virgin women that 'devalues' non-virgin women, not anymore than wanting curvy women devalues skinny women or vice-versa. then turns around and seeks that sort of women as nothing more than a status symbol after his nefarious indulgence. Again, this is …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 04:18 PM
1

Where did I make a value judgment?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 03:23 AM
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Not having a characteristic you find attractive in others is hypocritical? Lol. Am I supposed to have breasts, shoulder length hair and a vagina too?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 02:26 AM
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Virginity isn't a object, it's an attribute, you don't give it to anyone. I just find non-virgin women unattractive for long-term relationships. It's not any more hypocritical than short women liking my height. Also, it doesn't make sense for a virgin woman to want you. It goes back to my point. Some people care about these things and some don't. I'll just have to find a woman that doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 02:10 AM
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I'm not
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 01:30 AM
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No
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 01:20 AM
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That's what I mean, I don't think you can understand it unless you feel a similar way. Her being an awesome person makes it worse. Knowing another man has known her in that way. I personally can't do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/24 01:19 AM
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Doesn't matter, the idea is intrinsically repulsive, it doesn't have anything to do with her opinion of me.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 03:01 PM
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I think it comes down to fundamentally different preferences. I couldn't imagine having my wedding, looking at the woman I love and will spend the rest of my life with, and know that another man has been inside her. On the other hand, some of friends can't even fathom why it would be a big deal. I don't think people on the opposite ends of this will ever understand each other. I mean, I feel the same way about my friend being into particular types of women, what he finds attractive is just funda…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 07:32 AM
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Silly thing to say, do you possess the exact same characteristics your prefer to have in your partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/24 07:22 AM
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I'm not sure if there's any dissonance here. The nature of hegemony means that it dominates society, so nessesarily if a particular masculinity is hegemonic it will extend to the sexual preferences of women. Theres also the question of what exactly is being criticized, I don't understand it to be people being attracted to any particular feature, that's largely external to one's control.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/24 10:54 AM
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All else being equal, I'd choose love.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/24 07:16 AM
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Callous, mean, unkind etc
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 11:18 AM
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Do you think I just naturally gravitate towards colder women or are they just colder in general. I lean towards the former cause I have met some really kind women but curious about everyone else's experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 09:47 AM
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Aside from the ethics of it, I don't see it as any different to having boundaries on other things people define as infidelity. For some poeple it's sex, for others a kiss, for other even flirting, and for some it's porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/24 09:29 AM
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Yeah, kink that's dependent on a lack of self respect. Kinks aren't independent of thought or the psyche. They don't have self respect if they're asking me to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 09:01 PM
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Wanting to be humiliated? How is it anything but that? Humiliation is in its nature an act of disrespect.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/24 08:23 AM
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Didn't read. Hard disagree. Reddit in a nutshell
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 09:54 PM
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I'd break up with her, a lack of self respect demonstrated with that would result in all sorts of problems later on in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 09:07 PM
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Well, it is intangible but I get what you're getting at. There may be reasons for someone to be in love, but the nature of love is that you don't engage in it in a rational way, it's a mental state. You don't go 'I have common interests with her, therefore I'm in love with her', you just are. That's what I'm getting at, that's why people enjoy each other's presence even if they're completely different.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 05:52 AM
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They've done roids, that kind of progress is impossible without them. You haven't really seen it with your own eyes unless you've monitored them 24/7 to make sure they're not injecting.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 02:07 AM
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Disagree, look at models or female celebrities celebrated for their looks. Proportions are far more important than size.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 02:05 AM
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Or maybe they're actually in love? The entire point of love is that it doesn't matter what your differences are, you enjoy talking to your partner because they are your partner, not because it's a interesting discussion in itself. You enjoy being around them just for the sake of it. It is what makea talking to them distinct from just anyone else. It doesn't matter that you personally couldn't care less about cars or Taylor Swift , it's the fact that they care so you care and therefore enjoy talk…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/24 01:53 AM
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No, I have deep moral disagreements with sex work. Not like it'll help, being a desperate loser who had to get his dad to pay for a prostitute is worse then just being a virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 07:08 PM
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I'm ways where they think people of colour are somehow less human, it manifests in different variations but the presumptions are the same. This can be the noble-savage trope or straight up thinking we're less intelligent. It is particularly the case with women of other cultures, where they think they are just passive recipients of their context with zero agency.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 05:15 PM
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In my experience, yes, especially when it comes to race, but they're usually not as vocal about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/24 04:58 PM
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You're not getting it dude. Obviously not everyone is going to hit on their female friends, if they did it wouldn't need to be pointed out. My point is simply that they want it, that they have the desire. We're in agreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 01:58 PM
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i will desire some of them This is precisely my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 10:01 AM
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Smart
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 08:18 AM
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If you had the opportunity, with no social consequences whatsoever and with it having no risks to your relationships, you wouldn't have sex with with them?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 08:16 AM
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Not sure what you mean by hunted, this is an easy situation to avoid, stop being friends with men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 08:14 AM
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Never mentioned anything about relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 08:10 AM
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No, I don't make some kind of calculation in my head and try to get someone on my 'level'. I know what my deal breakers are and what I want, if a woman meets them we date, if she doesn't we don't. As for age, people exaggerate. I don't think people visibly age and lose their beauty until very late in life provided they take care of themselves. Fertility could be an issue but we have modern technologies that deal with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 11:36 PM
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If you're attractive, your male 'friends' want to have sex with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/24 10:12 PM
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The primary reason was a lack of a strong union in those sectors. Im happy to engage with you, but is your argument here that since our preferences are not chosen themselves, freewill doesn't exist? If so, I can respond to that idea directly.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 09:40 PM
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Both, more on enjoyment side.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 09:27 PM
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I try to stay as anonymous as possible on reddit but it's in the public sector.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 09:26 PM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 09:21 PM
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It would make little sense for you to type this out if that were the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 09:08 PM
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Shortly before we broke up.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 06:19 AM
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That's difficult for me to answer I suppose, I'm not at the stage of my life where I'd date someone over 25. But if I try imagining it, yes, 1 - 2 in their entire life.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 03:28 PM
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Calling them nasty is a bit harsh, but for me the middle ground would be 1 - 2 before I get a serious ick that would make a long term relationship impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 03:19 PM
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Mine isn't as bad as everyone else's I guess. Biggest one for me was an ex telling me, to my face, that she didn't care about me. Seems small but I think my entire outlook and approach changed at that very moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 03:09 PM
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It can be the latter even if you are top 1%, the point is simply to be cautious and ask the right questions so you don't end up being emotionally involved with a woman you don't want.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 03:33 AM
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I'd be on my guard, It depends on if she just slept on the first date with me or if she is the kind of person to sleep with men on first dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 01:11 AM
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Maybe I should just mess around here for now but go overseas to find a wife when I'm ready, I doubt I'll find a virgin here and so I don't intend to ever settle down with the women I talk to.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 12:41 AM
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It's quite rare you're gonna get a BDSM, anal nympho who loves to deepthroat your dick if she's a virgin I wouldn't want the woman I love doing that either. That's the entire point, she would respect herself too much to have done that
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 12:33 AM
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I do, I treat them like my male friends for the most part. I'm not trying to date their friends to themselves, that's a terrible idea and low-key pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 10:16 PM
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I'm assuming they're dissatisfied in their relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 01:02 PM
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Afghans, I had a girls uncle threaten to murder me... and her, despite my willinness to joing their religion. His primary issue was my race. I was even starting to learn pashto. Eh, pretty pathetic for you to be bitter over this. They didn't approve you dating their women, get over it. This is a pretty deep rooted value of Pashtun culture, if you actually cared about learning their culture and language then you would know this.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 12:50 AM
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If we took in 10 million Chinese or Indian men I seriously doubt most men would see them as invaders Lmao, you've never been to Canada or Australia.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 12:47 AM
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Cope. Even unattractive women get attention from men all the time, they just choose not to sleep with them. The fact that they didn't do that is what makes them desirable and marriage material. What you're describing only works for men, not women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 08:19 AM
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I dunno, isn't 'give me tingles down there' a bit too high a bar? Even as a dude i don't have that immediately towards beautiful women I see out and about, the only exception is if they're wearing particularly suggestive outfits.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 10:10 PM
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It's not a 4d chess move bro, they're just trying to be polite. No one is going to say 'fuck off you fat, short, balding, broke troll'. They'll use some other euphemism and anyone will real social intelligence will understand it's a soft way of saying they're not into you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 09:21 PM
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Why do people have any particular kinks? I don't think there's much rhyme or reason to it, you can psychoanalyse the people but even that can only yell you so much. As for relationships, I doubt many people would leave good relationship over it, that seems silly. The only case I could imagine it, and where I would leave myself, is that if she's done it with a past partner and refused to do it with you. Then I can understand wanting to leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 09:00 PM
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How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 09:06 AM
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I've found plenty that are lower then 5, now, a virgin is what is actually hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 01:52 AM
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Here's my current plan for this: Virgin: I'll marry her and build a life 1-4: exclusive relationship for a few years, but no marriage 5+: hook up only
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/24 11:00 PM
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You a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 11:45 PM
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I try to avoid it
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 04:44 PM
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Polygyny isn't even common in the Middle East. The region where polygyny is that most practiced is West Africa.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 03:33 PM
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I think many people here are missing the a major piece of the puzzle, women generally don't want to be in a polygamous marriage. There are modern day societies where morally polygyny isn't considered wrong, nor are there any legal restrictions. It still isn't widespread, because many women don't want to be involved in such marriages. And here's also an interesting point, often somewhat of a social taboo also develops against it,.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 03:18 PM
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I'd do it for a virgin, but I'm not putting my mouth anywhere near where another dick has been, gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 05:08 AM
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If a man cannot be friends with a woman without hoping they will eventually have sex than that man does not see that woman as an actual person just sex parts. For one, this is an absolute non-sequeter. The man in this scenario can appreciate the other dimensions of the woman whilst still retaining hope to sleep with them, having sex with a woman and seeing her other qualities are not mutually exclusive. For another, this isn't even related to what I was talking about. The man doesn't even have t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 02:30 AM
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I don't think I did, because the sensible thing to do in that situation would be to correct where the miscommunication happened instead of engaging in a bizarre hyperbole that only serves to undermine productive conversation. I mean, like, 'actual people'? You think the subject of a conversation that concerns respect and agency, concepts specifically unique to people, is somehow dehumanising? Or did you just not think this through?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 10:11 PM
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I don't believe I did. I never mentioned cheating. She doesn't have to literally cheat to engage in behaviour that pushes the boundaries of the relationship and disrespects her partner. Though yes, I agree in principle, you shouldn't date someone who you believe will cheat on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 10:11 AM
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According to you, that’s all men. No, it's likely that's its most men IF you're an attractive woman, there's more nuance. How many women are willing to live in a prison because her partner believes the worst about men? I dunno, how many smart honest women are out there? It's not believing the worst in men to acknowledge heterosexual men want to sleep with attractive women. If a woman's conception of prison is their partner having enough self-respect to not put up with this, then maybe shes not c…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 09:52 AM
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It is disrespectful if they're in a relationship. It's one thing to suspend your reasoning for the friendship when single, but to do so when in a relationship is different. They're willingly hanging around men they fully know want to sleep with her, yet insist on doing so regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 09:02 AM
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you just let her go and if she keeps doing it you split up. Lol. Yeah, we agree. Though I'd even say you drop her the first time she says she wants to go to the club, if she thinks that's okay when she's in a relationship she's not worth it. Again, it all comes down to respect for me. Or better yet, you figure out these details whilst you're dating before deciding to date her.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 08:58 AM
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It's not anymore controlling then expecting monogamy from your partner, it's a question of respect. As for whether men should be treated with prejudice, I'm not sure, but caution is definetly fair, you need to accept the reality of the situation. This doesn't mean every man is out to hurt you, but if you're an attractive woman, they do want to sleep with you, duh. Now, if you insist on being around men who want to sleep with you and entertaining them, sure, go ahead. But I don't think it's abnor…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 08:52 AM
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I literally don't know what you're talking about, mutual with the woman? What exactly would be mutual here, you both not being moronic enough to think hetrosexual men aren't into attractive women? Why would I need to self-reflect on that, that is apparent through conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 08:16 AM
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Never said anything about this. You're free to like and date whoever you want, just like anyone else. But that's the crux of what's being discussed here, when men are distrusting of other men, that's what they're distrustful about. You said it's somehow misandrist, I disagree because it's not a moral failing on men to begin with. So what if they do? They're going to approach her, or make moves and because she is your partner (whom you trust) she is going to let them down and move on with her day…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 08:14 AM
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Not sure I understand, mutual with whom?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 08:03 AM
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I don't know if what you're describing is contrary to what I'm saying though, the men you're describing seem like average men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 10:51 PM
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I for one, am entirely consistent with this. It may not be the majority of men, but there are enough immoral ones so being cautious is fair. If anything, I find many women's perspective of this a bit confusing. They acknowledge many men act poorly, many have lived experiences of men using friendship for ulterior motives, yet somehow the friends she has in this current moment are different. Sure. The part that turns me off though is the disrespect towards your partner that is inherent to this, yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 10:38 PM
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Disagree, I don't think it's a moral failure for men to like, want to date and sleep with attractive women. The only time it becomes immoral is when you do immoral things in the attempt to get a woman. What exactly do you want me to look into the mirror and meditate on? The fact that if I'm dating a woman she's obviously attractive and a good person? Or is it the case that I should somehow delude myself into thinking other men somehow don't see that in my partner?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 10:24 PM
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Could be, but attractive people know that being attractive benefits them in life and attractive men are aware women like that they're attractive. Blue pillers in my experience are average men who want to believe all the clichés about women so let them walk all over them thinking that'll win her over somehow.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 09:11 AM
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This is the ultimate test to see if 'bluepill' is actually code for having no self respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 06:17 AM
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They are for long term relationships, and especially for marriage. The problem is that it is extremely difficult to guage if that why the men are persuing you to begin with. I'd only marry a virgin, but I wouldn't hook up with one. If my intention was the latter and I found out a woman is a virgin I'd also stop talking to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 10:57 PM
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How old are you? This just seems like paranoia if I'm being honest, you'll be okay. What do you define as a 'good man'?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 01:39 PM
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It makes sense if she has all of the qualities listed. Fertility treatments are worth it if you're getting a woman like that. And fact of the matter is the that men at that age range(>33) will already likely have kids if they wanted them, or don't intend to have any, so its unlikely to play as big a factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 01:36 PM
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Unless you've reached menopause that's just simply not true imo. Most of the loss of attraction for older women comes from the associated weight gain, bitterness and body count. If you control those things you'll be fine. Also, it's just a matter of fact that most men will want to date in their own age range, don't buy into what chronically online people on this sub say.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 01:30 PM
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maintained body as when she was 20, youthful appearance, femininity, health, 0 body count What? That's insane, absolutely not. If a woman had all of that she would comfortably be in the best pick for many men irrespective of their age. Personally speaking as a young man, I would even pick a woman older then me if she had all of that, age is quite literally just a number at that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 01:17 PM
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It's the opposite, some highly educated women are deeply insecure and feel like they have something to prove, which just results in an extremely unlikeable personality. This makes them undateble because even in relationships they constantly have to try and prove their intelligence.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 08:14 AM
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I'm not humiliating anyone, that's up to them. Good for you, no judgement.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/24 02:55 AM
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Tbh, I'd take a radfem over a liberal feminists. The former atleast have broader frameworks that they stick to, the latter typically just select random 'feminist' issues based on whether or not it benefits them, and they're also weirdly racist in my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 03:00 AM
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She's sounds insane bro, you're lucky to still have your kidneys, why would you go over?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 02:54 AM
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Count yourself lucky, nothing worse than a pick me girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/24 02:53 AM
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I wish, no, Australia. One of the most unaffordable housing markets on the planet.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/24 03:33 AM
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They're fun, it's not like the quality of discourse is that high on this sub anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 08:02 PM
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What about male acquaintances or friends? I'm just curious what level of jealousy would undermine his other good qualities.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 07:32 PM
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What if the jealousness is him getting visibly upset when you talk to another man or wear revealing clothing, but usually not saying anything vs him starting a fight every time he thinks you're a bit too friendly with another guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 07:24 PM
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I mean cooking AS a gesture of affection, instead of cooking as a chore. Say breakfast in bed, or him making your favourite dish to surprise you. He'll do all the chores depending on how you guys decide to split the housework.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 07:20 PM
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Tried to make it make it so they generally have their lives and finances together. You wouldn't have to move in, people can always sell if plans change. Not in the US, but I intend to buy a house as soon as I can, likely whilst still single, waiting around isn't really an option with prices going through the roof.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 07:13 PM
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Not per se, the entire point is that they slept with numerous other men, they don't include themselves in that scenario. I guess? Theoretically by doing that you create an environment where women are hesitant to sleep around and therefore there's more low body count women to them. But I don't think that really matters, the point of slut shaming is to be hurtful. It's not even a matter of should, it just is, a lot of men think of other men as gross and disgusting. Most of the reasons men give not…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/24 06:25 PM
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I don't know why you think I care what your highschool friends did, that's such a weird thing to bring up. The reason I define it in this way is because of why people even care about body counts, it's not just coitus it's the sexual experience in the context of dating. So if you've blown 100 dudes and tell a guy you're a virgin then obviously people are being misled.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 05:17 PM
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Depends on how you define each, but I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 03:51 PM
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Virginity is a different concept since most people use it to refer specifically, but for me, a body is as defined above.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 03:44 PM
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True, I'm just speaking from my personal experience concerning body count.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 11:49 AM
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Not for me, very little would put me off in the same way.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 11:49 AM
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Generally, they become more jaded, put less effort, care less etc...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 10:17 AM
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I can respect them whilst disregarding them for dating because my guage for how I value women at large isn't contingent on how dateable I find them. You think I care if my friend, family, colleague, teachers, bosses and doctors have slept with a lot of men? It won't work, you can ask them if they care and see the kind of the person they are. Lying to 'test them' may just mean they'll try to lead you on whilst mentally removing you from the list of people they would want to commit to longterm. If…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 09:22 AM
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You don't know anything about my attitude towards women save for me not finding non-virgin women attractive. Theres plenty of ways to filter out 'guys like me' that don't involve lying though, that's a bad idea imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 09:08 AM
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Nope
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 08:54 AM
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Only if you're dumb enough to ask directly, if you know what questions to ask she'll have to be an award winning witter and actor to lie with no contradictions convincingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 07:08 AM
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Sure buddy
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 06:43 AM
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Yup. I genuinely don't know how this doesn't burn up any man with self respect, but to each their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 06:38 AM
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Haha, that's a hilarious idea. But I thinks that's more akin to sexting, not a n-count in my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 06:36 AM
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My bad, typo. I meant sexual contact. Like physical contact with another person's genitals sexually.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 06:11 AM
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adjective: sexual 1. relating to the instincts, physiological processes, and activities connected with physical attraction or intimate physical contact between individuals. Not everything related the genitals is sexual, otherwise even urinating would be sexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 05:45 AM
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Your pap test was sexual?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 05:34 AM
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It's not just a waste of time, it's downright pathetic. You were just hovering around hoping that she falls for you whilst she's dating these other dudes? C'mon man.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 04:59 AM
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That's up to women, a lot of the don't care, few do, so socially it's not really seen as the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 04:57 AM
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You will, just have to have to be observant and be smart about the questions you ask.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 04:53 AM
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Optimal would be 0:whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 04:52 AM
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Yes. Any sexual contact with another person's genitals is a body.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 04:48 AM
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I think if we were to generalise, every single body has a noticeable effect. You can see it from 5 - 10 too, even 1 - 5.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 04:47 AM
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, I just haven't heard one yet that's actually convincing Not sure why you're asking for convincing arguments particular people find things attractive, these are largely subconscious. Virginity isn't that different to finding someone with big eyes attractive for me, it's entirely inate. Not to mention the idea that virgin women are somehow naive because of not having had sex is also wild. If anything, if a particularly attractive women has chosen to remain a virgin well into their adulthood tell…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 04:42 AM
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Yeah, that's repulsive too but nothing compares to sleeping with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 04:32 AM
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It's humiliating
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 04:30 AM
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It's not built around jealousy, I just have too much self-respect to put myself in the humiliating position of having my life partner have slept with other men. But like I said, if I can't find a virgin I'm staying single, that's life. It is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 04:23 AM
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Wouldn't even care about that too much tbh, it's the opposite that's gross. People sext theses days, her past boyfriends probably have her nudes on their phones. Repulsive.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 04:20 AM
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Nah, not mine. If another dudes been inside her then I'm not interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/24 04:19 AM
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What's unethical about going for virgins specifically: You didn't really give a reason as to why it's unethical to specifically look for a virgin, them supoosedly more vulnerable to mistreatment wouldn't make the action itself unethical. it's taking advantage of women who don't know they have a right to demand bodily autonomy, safety, sexual boundaries, etc. But you're presuming that your values concerning these subjects are the correct ones. I assume of if a man is going overseas it's to find s…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 06:22 PM
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It's the marriage part that throws me off, I literally can't imagine devoting my entire life to a woman that has slept with another man, more so if she would then become the mother of my children. I couldn't possibly be happy with that life. I'm quite young but I think I need to set my mind on this, either I marry a virgin or I remain single for the rest of my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 06:08 PM
1

Uhh, why?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 06:03 AM
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Obviously they aren't the same, but I don't think these differences are meaningfully different for people who care about body counts. Personally, I wouldn't really care if the count was from low impulse control or a rough childhood.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 05:59 AM
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What's unethical about dating a virgin or someone overseas? Just saying it's unethical if it's done by unethical means is a bit circular, I'm trying understand what be an unethical way to go about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 04:24 AM
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You could only really make the ethics argument for sex work. I don't think it's unethical to want a virgin women or looking overseas for a woman, the second one especially seems fairly sensible if you can't find what you're looking for at home.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 03:46 AM
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Yeah, we just find them more attractive. Nothing to do with inexperience.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/24 03:41 AM
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Rita doesn't seem too bad compared to the others, guess I'll take her.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 02:19 PM
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High standards, usually means they respect themselves which is always a good quality.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 06:56 AM
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Would lean towards Anna
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 06:34 PM
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They're usually pick mes in my experience, which is a big turn off.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 02:28 PM
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I'd definitely consider motorbikes and gaming masculine, unless the gaming is the Sims and Animal crossing but thats not the vibes I'm getting here. No clue if collecting animals remains is masculine, but it's definitely weird as hell.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 12:17 PM
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Jane, seems like she has the usual hobbies women my age have. Masculine hobbies are a bit of a red flag for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/24 12:08 PM
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Out of these three easily Melissa
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 11:44 AM
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Did you literally just learn about the concept of market value? Is that why you're so excited about it and want to insert it into places irrespective of how silly it is? You don't measure market value based on rating scales either, you measure it based on the resource exchange. The idea that you think it is even remotely applicable to dating tells me you yourself seem to misunderstand the concept. As for your question, all the women would still be 10/10s.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 08:29 AM
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Okay, I guess you just aren't able to understand the concept. No, I understand it, like I said, it's just incredibly silly. It's impossible for both the billionaire and the super model to both be 10s, if the billionaire can easily replace the super model, Again, the fact that all of the supermodels are equally extremely attractive doesn't make them not 10s. They're just all extremely desirable. The idea that they're replaceable is suspect too, they're each unique people who all just happen to be…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 07:41 AM
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I understand what you're trying to say, I just think it's incredibly silly. The supermodels are all 10s because what we are measuring is desirability i.e, 'attractiveness'. Them all bring interchangeable doesn't make them any less desirable. Regardless, what you're saying still doesn't hold up, the distribution for the men in the real world isn't bimodal.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 05:50 AM
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It does matter of what you are rating is attractiveness. No one rates attractiveness relatively. If there are 3 women on an island and all of them are supermodels, most people would still rate them all as 9s and 10s, not 5s. Inverse is also true, if the 3 men on that island are ugly then they're 1s and 2s. I don't see any reason to think the men's attractiveness is distributed bimodally, I would think most men cluster around 3-4. There aren't as many extremely attractive men as there are unattra…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 05:32 AM
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Why do we expect attractiveness to be relative and therefore normally distributed anyways? We don't do this with beauty in any of its other forms so why do we do it with human beauty? Like, we dont gage how attractive a particular mountain is based on some other mountain. Let's just accept the reality, the average woman is far more beautiful than the average man.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/24 03:31 AM
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Smokers are kinda hot, depends on how badly it's effected her teeth though. In most cases I'd definitely pick the smoker.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/24 08:23 AM
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The meme here is that the latter situation almost never happens, the guy just has to convince you that he hasn't had these feelings this entire time.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 04:55 AM
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Couldn't be me, she put up with terrible treatment from the other guy and you literally had to risk your life to get her to be with you. I have too much self respect personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 11:19 AM
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They'll be fine, the negatives will be offset by them having a nice principled mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 11:09 AM
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Worth the risk, she's a kind hearted chaste woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 10:23 AM
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Easily Karlie, don't like that she's right wing but not that big of a deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 09:59 AM
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Mary is easily the best here
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 09:42 AM
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Again, this doesn't even dispute what I've said. A lot of people engaging in a behaviour doesn't make it okay. You can choose your vows, no one has a gun to your head asking you to go with the usual ones. If you want your vows to explicitly mention that you're only marrying them for the next 20 years till they get old, then go ahead.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 10:21 AM
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Yes it is. Marriage is an agreement, the vary majority of people literally take vows, so unless you're vows include a clause where they were nullified if you became old or checks notes continue to be the good guy you were, you've broken the agreement.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 10:10 AM
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Divorcing someone for a younger woman or them being a 'good guy' is definitely bad behaviour.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 09:50 AM
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That doesn't dispute what I've said, people engage in bad behaviour. My point isn't that it doesn't happen, it obviously does per OPs post, but rather that it isn't okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 09:41 AM
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Yeah no, I'm going in the other direction. When you marry someone, that's a promise to be with them for the rest of their lives, unless you were misled prior to your marriage. So either you commit to that or don't marry someone who don't intend to stick with, it's beyond fucked up. People who marry people they don't like, and waste years of their lives only leave them broken at the end are bad people.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 09:29 AM
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Maybe. I agree with having the different curfews in principle but it may come across as unfair to the girls so I may not.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/24 05:29 PM
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there are plenty of men who reach their physical prime in their 30s, C'mon man, now this is just pure cope. You must have looked terrible in your 20s to somehow be in your 'prime' in your 30s.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/24 05:02 AM
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I'm not referring to them not joking and laughing. I'm reordering to then being unserious about dating itself. For instance they have a 'let's see where it goes' attitude with you instead of being committed to getting a long term partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 07:45 AM
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No, not really. It usually comes up fairly organically when you date for a while. It's not judgemental unless you ask it whilst being judgmental. I ask it in the same tone as asking about anything else about them, it's never a big deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 07:43 AM
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How do you address finding makeup unattractive without doing so? Men only follow these ideas and standards because that is what women respond to. So they recognise not doing so would disadvantage them to some degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 09:28 AM
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If you're calling them unattractive for having their make up done a particular way you definitely are.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 07:08 AM
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I disagree, you can simultaneously recognise that a system is flawed whilst still wanting to work within it, because otherwise you'll lose. For instance, it's unfair that you get judged for how you look for job interviews (visible tattoos, particular haircuts etc) but it would still be irrational to handicap youself to that extent because of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/24 05:40 AM
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Can be, it depends on what you're looking for. No one really asks it for girls they arent gonna be serious with and just wanna have sex with. But if you are intending to be serious, it's more about finding the right woman so I wouldn't think of it as cock blocking
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 05:44 PM
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Obviously it would vary person by person, but I've definitely seen women that fit the above descriptions and still want a LTR. As for why the men here are only running into these types, could be a million things, but location and age definitely plays a factor. Also, I think they are more likely to complain if they are, so there be a bias in what we see.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 05:42 PM
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Loose attitude around dating and sex, so they don't take it seriously. Dressing a particular way. Having a large and active presence on social media. History of partying, drinking and recreational drug use A lot of male friends Just a few I could think of off the top of my head. Like I said, they can give you a general idea although none are absolutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 05:33 PM
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Yeah, that would make sense if you didn't care. But for people who do, they ask, that's how they know.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 05:28 PM
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They ask.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 04:21 PM
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Can you tell if a woman is a serial killer? Hyperbolic but it gets the point across. You can't know for sure but there can be some behaviors that give it away.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/24 04:21 PM
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Then I believe yourself and the people you disagree with have a fundamental difference in belief. I think most would agree that people's willingness to make sacrifices for one another is a meature of their love. And the extent of those sacrifices is shows how deep said love is. For example, id be willing to endure a lot more suffering for my family then for a neighbour. A good point is that the inverse of this should entail that the man disregard his sexual desires for his partner, but this goes…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 11:11 PM
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Yeah, but on some level that makes it worse. So she was willing to be in physical pain for his pleasure but not yours. I could imagine how that would be upsetting.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 10:33 PM
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Granted, money could be better spent elsewhere. But it's not like we spend our money wisely anyways. Also, I'm sure it hasn't been calculated, but we would surely save some money by freeing up courts due to diputes. Disagree. These kids do have a father, all kids do, the test would just confirm who it is. No. The cheating would be what would break families apart, this would just reveal it. But if a relationship built on lies is broken, that's not a loss.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/24 10:02 PM
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Nah, bro, I've been hit on by men before. It's repulsive, I'll stick to being a man. Compliments from women are less common but at least they're sincere instead of creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/24 04:01 AM
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Lol alone at night? Yeah, my vibes would be off, the other person won't know my intentions despite me not having any ill intentions. I don't think I'm more dangerous then a bear, but vibes ≠ danger.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/24 04:35 AM
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No, that's entirely sensible. Though that would obviously make dating them quite difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 04:00 PM
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Sure bud, then I'm mentally ill.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 12:53 PM
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Alone at night? Yeah, bro, I have. The vibes are off.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 11:39 AM
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just because Iranians don't have the default ant-west/Islamic take and positions that you like them to have, their opinions don't matter and they're racist against themselves? got it. Lmao, yes. If you literally live in a country affected by colonialism, continue to be affected by imperialism and by some miracle are licking their boots then that's the only conclusion. Especially if you're naive enough to delude youself into thinking that when they're talking about their destain for Middle Easter…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 11:19 AM
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I don't really care about the bear discourse, it seems like a vibe check thing which is fair, a strange man probably has the worst vibes when compared to a bear. Although I would like to point out that I never said all women were like that, but simply that women have the potential to be bad people.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 09:06 AM
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it does to some of them, I'm in touch with a lot of my family members who are living all around the world. and they're also like what I said. Sure it would apply to them, though not to you. Although Iranians being different to other minorities is still a point of focus. can we talk about this whole bias thing you're pushing? like, what exactly do you think I'm worshiping here? I thought I was quite explicit? You're worshiping westerners and liberalism, or to be precise, the warped perseption of …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 08:36 AM
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Obviously liberal families are going to prefer liberals, which tend to be western. That goes without saying. Although OPs comment concerning minorities won't apply to you if you live in Iran. As for the internalised racism, you pretty much demonstrated it. Again, it goes to show why your family will have a particular bias towards westerners, and why they, again, are not representative of most minorities. It's worthy of criticism because it's naive, and frankly embarrassing to worship those who h…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 06:35 AM
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In general it showed me how women are just as flawed as men. My good experiences when younger made me put them on a pedestal. Relationships showed me how bad they are capable of being. All in all, the main thing I've learned is to never compromise my standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 06:18 AM
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To an extent, provided it doesn't hurt them in other ways. For example, constantly weight shaming your kids may help them look more conventionally attractive, but the mental harm it can cause is not worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 06:04 AM
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Tbh diaspora Iranians are a particular type of people. Who also, if we're being honest, have a real problem with internalised racism. They aren't representative of most minorities.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/24 05:57 AM
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It..is. Gender is a quality. A quality that heterosexual look for in their partner different from their own. A heterosexual man looks for a person who has the quality of a woman, one he does not possess. Homosexual people want the same quality as it pertains to gender, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 04:12 PM
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Yeah, that's the point, I'm point out the most obvious feature that heterosexual people look for in their partner that they themselves don't have.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 03:09 PM
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I never said all things are going to be different, but it's a fact that heterosexual people look for things they may not have in their partner. Their gender, for instance, is the most obvious one.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 11:17 AM
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Disagree on the not last part. That's not what hypocrisy is. I thinks it's perfectly reasonable, and quite common for that matter, for heterosexual people to look for things in partners they themselves don't have.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 03:04 AM
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My standards for LTR: - Attractive - Kind - Virgin - Wears modest clothing - No male friends They are quite high, I think only a couple of women would meet them where I live. That being said, I'm not about to lower them either.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/24 02:24 AM
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I'm grossed out by other men, I'm not grossed out by myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/24 02:02 PM
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You kind of undermine your own point when the first feature about the girlfriend you point out is that she's gorgeous.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/24 01:20 PM
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Wtf? Yes. You're a dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/24 10:59 AM
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No to both. I'm not a virgin and I don't consider it a double standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 08:58 PM
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Well, I can't really speak much to your personal experience. But I know Chads too, they either don't care about body count or are grossed out by high numbers, like most men. I've never heard one say inexperience or virginity grosses them out.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 04:38 PM
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I think you overestimate how much any man cares about 'experience'. Anyways, what you're proposing is one situation, though I don't see it's how Chad would necessarily see it. He could care, he couldn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 04:14 PM
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Muslim countries do (generally) have more of them, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 03:48 PM
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Being a Chad is finding virgins gross? We may use that term differently I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 03:47 PM
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Plain untrue, few men would find virgins gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 03:25 PM
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The 'third world' is quite broad, some countries may have chaste women and others won't. The reason overseas is a backup option is less because of access to internet and more because of culture. There are cultures where female chastity and virginity a lot more. Not that I agree with all aspects of this and what occompany it mind you, I'm just discussing how this may end up being the only option in finding a virgin woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 03:22 PM
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I'll be honest, I may just look overseas to find a virgin if I can't find one where I live. But that sounds like such a logistical nightmare. I'm just hoping it doesn't come to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 07:39 AM
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Calling myself 'exceptionally attractive' would be vain. But I am decent, and the biggest downside is that even as a man myself, sometimes I have to deal with creepy behaviour from other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/24 12:30 AM
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This is common knowledge, people often point out how you need to meet a minimum standard for needs (looks, money) and the rest is mostly chemistry and personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 01:01 AM
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You're using really vague terms what is 'normal working'? In all of he's white collar he wouldn't be normal. Also, that's just not how labour cost works, it's gintionally impossible for average people to have maids and cooks.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/24 12:20 AM
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Is this like that Greek thing where you pretend you're not gay because you're the top?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/24 03:19 AM
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? So we're in agreement. What did you want to add?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 11:34 AM
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Yeah, the average person is poor in 'third world' countries.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/24 02:37 AM
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More of a class division tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/24 08:33 AM
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Could you rephrase your question? I'm not sure I understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 02:51 AM
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How though? The idea is that most women find only a fragment of men attractive, that means there's more competition. I'm not convinced that it's easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 02:07 AM
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Is that trully an advantage though? They could get into relationships and sex easier, but it would be with men there not attractive to. In essence, it's not even really an advantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/24 01:50 AM
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Heightflation Although tbh I don't think so. Looking taller has a lot more to it then just longer segments in your legs. If anything, the pictures I've seen of dudes that have got it just look awkward and funky. I also think there's a limit to what height will be considered attractive before it starts looking weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 05:54 AM
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That's even worse, downright repulsive.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/24 03:22 AM
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Middle class isn't the same as average though, tbh 'middle class' doesn't really have a meaning. But regardless, countries where domestic labourer are that cheap usually have endemic poverty, so the average person is quite poor.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 03:02 PM
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Yeah, but that would just mean that the average person is a lot poorer.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 03:00 PM
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They hired a cook and cleaner? Somehow I doubt that these were average people. Edit: Stop telling me labour is cheaper in some countries, I know. But those countries have endemic issues with poverty, the average person is quite poor. It's not average people with servants. It wouldn't even make sense for that to the case, there wouldn't be enough people.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/24 01:04 PM
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Ok, what was I supposed to get from that and why do you believe that it's contextually relevant? I'm referring to the concept that we're all physical objects yet you're seeming to present philosophical concepts of the subject-object dichotomy. You're making a metaphysical claim in saying that "we are physical objects". An incredibly dubious one at that, I was hoping you'd understand that through the link, it's a brief encyclopedia entry. I can't discuss objectification with you If you either don…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 06:43 PM
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We are though, we're animate and sentient objects. Even if linguistically that were a faux pas to say, we're still "a thing" of solid mass. Not quite. https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/object/#ContObjeVsSubj The agency isn't being questioned when someone looks on another person with desire. When did we start to accept that myth as fact? I didn't claim that, nor do I believe this is a popular belief. So it really is "Social Marxism"? Social Marxism isnt a thing. You may be referring to sociology…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 06:37 AM
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To start with, no, we are not objects. The entire reason the object - subject distinction exists to recognise human agency, experience and intellect. Elements of us may be considered objects, say our fingers and toes, but we ourselves are not. As for objectification, the idea isn't that you measure someone's suitability for a particular task per their competence for it, but rather that you appraise their overall value as a person per that criteria. Say, you measure the value of the person who is…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/24 04:59 AM
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Yeah, but that would mean that he'd be more attractive relative to them, not that he is attractive period.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 03:46 PM
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That could just aswell mean most men weren't attractive since the dawn of history. It doesn't prove your argument that women would do it if most men were attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 03:36 PM
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How do you know that?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 03:33 PM
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Why is the conclusion that women standards are too high instead of men just not being very attractive on average?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/24 03:22 PM
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True, proletarian Chads. But western society does look down on the working class.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 03:54 PM
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Because it's working class.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 03:50 PM
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I don't think it's just women, it's just our shitty upside down society where actual essential workers are considered low status whilst glorified email senders are celebrated.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/24 03:37 PM
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AA-12 with a switch
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 07:45 PM
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I see this sub more as a space to for laymen to discuss gender relations and dating, which can be a lot more interesting than just blatantly obvious thing like the fact that people find attractive people attractive. As for the advice, sure, a lot of it can also be considered truism and platitudes, but I don't think dating advice is what this sub is for.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 07:36 PM
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Couldn't care less.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 02:40 PM
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It's such a truism. Yeah, people like beautiful people and will let them get away with more, why is this news to anyone or worth even mentioning?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/24 01:32 PM
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Yeah, you're right, but at the end of the day it'll be up to you if it's worth it. Changing your personality may make little sense, whilst imrpivng you physical appearance does for most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/24 03:48 AM
34

Few people disagree with you, the point of self improvement and advice isn't that it will guarantee you a relationship, but rather that it will improve your chances. Confidence, for instance, improves your chances because you're more likely to speak to a woman who is interested and be in a relationship then if you were to just sit there and look pretty. It's the same reason you wear a seat belt, sure, whether you die or not is luck but you're improving your chances of survival by doing so.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/24 03:42 AM
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Not something I'm particularly concerned about but so many of these problems could be solved if men were more strict about only long term dating/marrying virgins and stuck to them. You date a woman that has been with other men, you'll just have to accept that this is a possibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/24 03:06 PM
0

"doesn't shave legs" Lost me immediately, I'd pick A.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/24 12:07 PM
2

No, they can't find what they're looking for in their home country so they look elsewhere. Can't fault them for that. Hell, if I get older and still struggle for find someone that meets my standards I'd consider it too. It just makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/24 02:49 AM
9

The inverse would be cope.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/24 12:21 AM
4

You may be right with sexual attraction but definitely not respect, women will look down in you if they think you're dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/24 07:48 AM
1

Then I suppose it would be the same for me, I care less about the challenge and more about the quality of the men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 03:14 AM
1

Not in my page. Tbh, my preference for virgin women comes from the absolute revulsion I feel towards the vast majority of men. If a woman only had sex with attractive clean guys I'd care a lot less.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 02:55 AM
4

"A promiscuous man isn't going find a virtuous woman". I disagree with this one but otherwise you have a point.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/24 02:16 AM
1

I'd keep on going until I meet a girl that meets my high standards. I don't think there's anything particularly fun about hook ups, it's just what you do to meet your needs until you find one that is wife material. A LTR is much more preferable if you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/24 01:26 AM
7

No
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/24 07:52 PM
1

Not sure what you mean
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/24 03:04 AM
1

You'll be alright man, if you're not rich you don't have to worry about them. Even if you do get rich, they can only take advantage of you if you let them, you'll be fine. Relax man.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/24 02:14 AM
6

My brother, what kind of mountain of gold do you have to protect that you're this paranoid?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/24 06:33 PM
6

I don't think it's a double standard in that men don't care, they definitely do, it's just a lot of men have lost every ounce of self respect. Women say and do that shit because they can get away with it, so socially it becomes a double standard. A lot of dudes need to unironically man up, if shit like this bothers you, you need to speak up and stick to your ground. Stop letting a woman who doesn't even respect you dictate your life like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 04:13 AM
2

Idk, when it comes to things like being overweight, there are a lot of men then there are women. Also, when I look at the average man VS the average woman around me, the average man is definitely lower quality, they are more poorly dressed, ungroomed, stinkier and uglier. I think the only thing that is the same is the amount of stupid people for both genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 02:52 AM
1

Sex!? Yes. Date? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/24 09:53 PM
1

I'm aware, I'd still risk it if the girls hot enough
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 10:19 PM
2

If she's hot enough I'd risk it
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 10:13 PM
1

No, I'd still hit if they were hot, just make sure to wrap it up. I wouldnt kiss them though, that's kinda gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 08:01 PM
3

I'd just be extra careful, but I don't think any count is too high just for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 07:41 PM
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Again, you keep on deferring to your personal experience and there's nothing that can be said for that. What you may say about your circle could be entirely true but deriving conclusions about what the majority of virgin women want from that is a complete non sequeter. As for it being hypocritical, I don't think you understand what the term means either. As go what a particular virgin woman wants, that's going to be ultimately up to her. Although to say a promiscuous man lacks 'sexual discipline…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/24 10:59 PM
0

Well I can't speak to your personal experience but your absolutest statements are just inherently incorrect. Many women don't find promiscuous men unattractive because these men still manage to get said women, likewise, many virgin women don't find it unattractive which is illustrated by such men marrying virgin women. What you're saying has detracted from the main point of the conversation though, the question was if men with high body count shouldn't persue/expect a virgin wife, and the answer…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/24 03:10 PM
1

You're getting this all mixed up, Im not retroactively stopping my 'future wife' from having sex, she is entirely capable of doing so, I'm just going to select for a woman that has not. As for me having sex, yes, I don't see a problem with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/24 02:11 PM
3

Then the vast majority of women don't have 'self respect', because this isn't really a major concern of them in my experience. Regardless, a man can want a virgin wife without criticiaing high body count women, one doesn't necessarily lead to the other. And it is fully in the man's right to persue that if that is what he wishes to have.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/24 02:08 PM
2

Because my wife may not, and in all likelihood will not, care. I do care. It's akin to asking why I I'd expect my wife to cover her chest in public whilst I wouldn't do so myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/24 09:52 AM
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I don't think you understand what the term 'hypocritical' actually means. Virginity only has worth if you care about it, and it only has gendered worth if you care about it. A man with a high body count could care about for their partner, and their partner not care about it. There isn't really a problem here.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/24 09:50 AM
1

Why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/24 09:25 AM
3

Why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/24 09:17 AM
1

What does that have to do with her being a virgin? Regardless, I'd accommodate for most things save for something extreme.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/24 05:49 AM
0

I want a partner who has not taken other people's dick. She'll gain experience as we do it. Fyi: the idea that high body count women with their 'experience' can take dick particularly well and do tricks with it hasn't even turned out to be true in my experience. So I don't know why I'd care.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/24 01:51 AM
2

Not sure how you got that idea
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/24 06:49 PM
1

True
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/24 06:22 PM
0

I mean, that's kinda the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/24 06:21 PM
4

True, but I think it has to do more with the disgust surrounding thotting rather then the possibility of the action itself for most. I know it's like that for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/24 05:46 PM
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I know I can get a virgin woman, problem is if course we may have some big differences in personality. But I can deal with it I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/24 05:43 PM
2

Fairly important, the biggest thing height affects is proportion, which is why some short guys just look funky.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/24 11:55 PM
4

And where did I say I don't want her to respect her body?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 08:39 AM
6

Not sure what you mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 02:54 AM
2

Somewhat agree, I think it's one thing to prefer a particular trait and another to be so toxic to those who you believe that said trait. But tbh, even guys who can get what they want will go on the internet and troll. Being a hater is just fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 01:35 AM
23

Suppose were dating, means I end things, wish her the best and move on. I know we won't be sleeping together and I'm not dating a woman like that long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/24 01:24 AM
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I couldn't even tell you tbh. It's just the idea of another man having sex with your partners, it's repulsive.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 06:46 PM
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No
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 06:43 PM
2

Yeah, sometimes I just try on a few different outfits at midnight when I'm by myself. It's fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 06:24 PM
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I mean, I definitely think there's behaviours common in women now that most men find unattractive and just put up with, but none of the stuff you say qualifies as that imo. Who finds a woman less attractive for saying 'bruh'?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/24 06:22 PM
2

Can and should. This is only a problem if you let it be, people can bitch and moan about your standards but that can't stop you from having them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 09:42 PM
1

You can't, I agree. I was just responding to your question as to why some women may disagree with their partners being assertive about their demands.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 04:55 AM
3

Depends, there could be several reasons. Typically it concerning the idea that the desire the man has is immoral/unjust/a flaw of character therefore he shouldn't have asked to begin with. Though I agree with you, ideally you recognise the point isn't you agreeing with your partners demands but rather if you're willing and capable to meet them.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/24 02:20 AM
2

Ideally, you'd see people being more assertive of what they desire and expect in a relationship and sticking to it. I think men still need to catch up in this area, but it's slowly happening, though as expected there's a lot of push back.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 08:54 PM
1

No, entertain them as in pretend to be oblivious to the fact that this dude wants to have sex with her, and in doing so entertain his delusions. Which is incredibly likely of course, unless the woman is unattractive, but I wouldn't date an unattractive woman so that is not relevant to this conversation. What is says about me is what is apparent, as in what my standards are for a relationship. Outside of that, you're just wrong. I have more female friends than male friends, my position toward thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 10:51 AM
2

People talk a lot of being a lot about dudes that are 'beta' or 'cucks', I think most of it is nonsense save for this instance. Theres something really pathetic about allowing men who want to stick their dicks into your woman to be around her and not saying shit because you're scared. Testicle rights revoked. If they get cheated on, which they often do, I don't even feel bad for them, they deserve it in my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 08:43 AM
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Ey, they're fine for something short term if you're bored. Women who entertain other men like this aren't wife/LTR material for me. I put them in the same category as high body count women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/24 08:36 AM
1

I have moral contentions with this. These kids you have will have a mother, but they won't be allowed to know and live with her. Vice-versa for a father. Not to mention single parent household heavily disadvantage the children, it should be avoided if possible. I think it's unproblematic if the child is adopted, but otherwise I have disagreements with this idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 03:23 PM
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Because they can, it's a safe method to avoid a direct rejection. Guys just don't get the luxury of it. Sucks but not something that can be changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 01:31 PM
1

I think what constitutes a body is really interesting, and varies quite a lot. For me it's any sort of interaction with a penis. There are going to be issues with virgin women but I think it's worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 09:45 AM
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Depends, woman 1 for long term, woman 2 for short term.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/24 09:40 AM
3

It is what it is 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 04:45 AM
3

Yes, I have. I can't really give you specifics I'm afraid, it's a very visceral internal reaction. It's similar to how other characteristics you may find unattractive are repulsive.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/24 04:16 AM
3

That's up to her. Imo I'd be silly since you can swap that out for any other attribute that would have been a deal breaker, such as her being significantly older, less beautiful etc. But again, that's won't be my decision to make.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 10:05 AM
2

I mean, if it's that extreme then I doubt that's a serious concern for a virgin woman. She's probably just not into you at that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 06:54 AM
1

She's got a really good shot, provided she's careful and ensures the Chad has aspirations of settling down. I think she's got a decently higher chance than other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 06:48 AM
16

My brother said late Rome was feminist.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 06:43 AM
2

I take starfish to mean that the woman doesn't take as much of an active role and lies back for the most part, not that she's there stiff scared of something. That's quite common from my understanding, maybe I just don't have the adventurous life everyone else is engaging in.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 06:33 AM
7

Yes, I have. I'm not scared, more just repulsed of the idea that the woman I love has been with another man.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 06:30 AM
2

No, that still bothers me. That's the thing, it's not a moral thing for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 06:29 AM
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Not sure what you mean my friend, could you rephrase what you said? What was the standard?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/24 06:28 AM
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It's involuntary for me, I wish I didn't care. But the thought of marrying a non-virgin woman, I just couldn't do it. Some people say it gets better as you age, I actually hope it does.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 07:58 PM
3

I think if you're reasoning behind it is moral than it shouldnt. But like the other guy said, mostly because men care more about it than women do. So if you're a woman you'll have to account for how it will narrow down your options in the future.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 07:53 PM
5

I'd take Susie starfish, what the difference? I don't even see the downsides, is everyone else out here doing some spectacular tricks that I'm unaware of?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 07:50 PM
7

That's the thing I dont think people here realise, rape is extremely common. In fact, I think most reports underestimate it. It's so common in fact that I can near guarantee a woman you know has experienced it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 07:44 PM
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I'd actually disagree but it's not relevant. Being maimed isn't a serious consideration and risk in your day to day life as a man in the manner that rape is for women. This wouldn't change the conclusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 02:44 PM
9

Throw in a bit of racism too top it off I guess. But no, women aren't protected from rape in 'developed' countries either, I'd like you to point out the mechanism which protects these women. Being given more care after rape isn't a protection. Rape being far more common for women is important considering the discussion here is who has it harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 02:40 PM
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Well the way you write is a bit confusing, I'm not sure what the rest of the argument even is. If you want, we can go point by point, what would you like me to address first? Women aren't protected by rape man, that's the thing. It's genuinely harrowing how common rape is.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 02:06 PM
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Your reasoning is flawed. For one, we don't just believe rape is as severe as it is based on the account of women, and your claim of them exaggerating is absolutely a dick move. Rape is particularly severe based on several factors including its psychological impact, the suffering cause the it's moral severity. Again, no, it doesn't compare to being fucking lonely and 'not getting favouritism' whatever that means.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 01:41 PM
7

By the psychological impacts, the suffering caused and the moral severity of the crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 01:14 PM
10

Rape is worse then being beaten up, it's fairly close to death. By isolation I suppose you mean social isolation, it is worse then that, and obviously not benefiting from favouritism doesn't near it. I don't think you really understand the gravity of rape man.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 12:55 PM
2

Be fr man, look at your list, nothing else can compare to rape, it's obvious being a man is easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/24 12:27 PM
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No, means she isn't a virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 01:58 PM
1

Two main reasons in my opinion: 1) they are scared that they can't find anyone else 2) they genuinely love their partner and value their opinion Unfortunately, 1 is far too common, some men really need to grow some balls.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 02:39 AM
1

Yes, the majority of men want women with lower body counts, a sizable amount only want a virgin for a relationship/marriage such as myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/24 01:48 AM
1

I definitely have a whore complex, not too sure about the Modonna. What I mean is that there are certain women I feel a strong sexual attraction towards that I would never consider marrying. But I don't stuggle having sexual feelings about women I want to marry.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/24 02:28 AM
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In all honesty no. The desire for women is only something having a woman is going to address. It can't be supplemented. Society should facilitate people getting together by decreasing work hours and providing spaces for people to socialise etc. to maximize the chances for couples to meet.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 07:45 AM
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Of course men like women, I think if anything we like them too much. Part of the reason these problems exist is men stuggle reconciling the intense feelings they have towards women. And It's not just sex, you can access sex through prostitutes or just masturbate, it's the desire to have their approval and have them desire us.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 07:34 AM
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I know it won't be easy but I have time, so I'll keep it to that for now, maybe I'll change in the future. They can lie, but they can lie about anything, so no point on stressing over that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 05:45 PM
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I think it's more so accepting that their high body count makes them less desirable to many men and not start insulting those men for having that standard. Other then that, I don't think they should be punished or end up alone. That kinda fucked up.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 03:22 AM
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In all honesty man, I think it depends on how deep into your relationship you are. If Sydney Sweeney came up and offered me sex and I was in a relationship for a month, yeah, maybe I'd fold. But in a marriage of 15 years with kids? Definitely not, not because I don't desire her but because I don't want to ruin my life. You may have a point if it's guaranteed your partner won't find out, but even then, the guilt of betraying the mother of your children will quite heavy. So even there I probably w…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 03:16 AM
-1

I mean, you can try but most men will smile at being called a slut. It's something they're praised for, I doubt they'll feel shame.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/24 03:11 AM
1

I'm keeping my it to virgins for LTR for the foreseeable future.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 06:42 PM
1

Yeah, I couldn't care less.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 06:35 PM
1

I'd say yes, it varies from person to person.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 06:32 PM
1

No, for the same reason I wouldn't date an otherwise perfect woman I don't find attractive. It's a hard requirement, I can't develop feelings for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/24 06:25 PM
1

Attractiveness Love language Dating history Intelligence
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 05:42 AM
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I mean, id be lying if I said women like that don't have an allure, the confidence and disregard for other people's opinions is definitely attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/24 05:36 AM
2

Not quite ANYWAY but you do have a lot of room. Point is, you have to fuck up tremendously for a girl who's into you to lose interest because of how you text.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 11:16 PM
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Not really, ask guys who sleep around, many of them agree that girls like this aren't 'wife' material. Wanting a lower body count in my experience is one of the only things men generally agree in when talking about LTRs.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 11:15 PM
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Bro, if she's not into you the way you text isn't going to change shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/24 11:02 PM
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Am I the only one that doesn't have this problem? Who has droves of fat women that they constantly have to reject?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 10:27 AM
0

I'll be honest bro, that's kinda weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/24 06:33 AM
5

That's why I said meme, I haven't seen it outside of this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 04:47 PM
3

Understandable, thank you for answering.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 03:46 PM
2

How old are you if you don't mind me asking? Have you always had this view? If not, when did it change?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/24 01:55 PM
12

I know it's the case for me. I would love a relationship but it comes with too much risk, giving that part of yourself to a woman and being vulnerable only to find out she may have not even cared for you all along. There are few things more humiliating and emasculating, it makes sense why men are hesitant to commit.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/24 04:49 AM
0

In all honesty I'd be willing to give it a shot for the right woman. I like doing acts of service, but it's going to come down to how much I love her.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 09:05 PM
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I didn't say any woman, I said a reasonably attractive one, average or above. And yes, most men would be down for casual sex, cheating is a bit complicated but yes, men do cheat, like a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 08:56 PM
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That's the vast majority of men, they'd have sex with any woman somewhat above average. And yeah, a lot of women have male friends that aren't really their friend, but they're just not going to accept it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/24 05:11 AM
5

No one is saying it's wrong, it happens to plenty of people, but it does definitely affect the dynamic. Whether people decide to remain friends despite that is up to them. More to the theme of this subreddit though, very few people are going to be cool with their partners being friends with people just waiting around to have sex with them. Same with continuing being around someone you have a crush on.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 10:13 PM
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Because that means the other person is waiting around for the opportunity to get something else out of the person, it shakes the foundations of the friendship. It may aswell be fine but when it comes to relationships you might understand how your partner would feel upset about it. With attractive women this is a pretty big issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 09:52 PM
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I dunno man, have you ever actually loved a woman? Sure, it may be not always last, but nothing beats spending a night with a beautiful woman you love.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 08:26 PM
1

Yeah, it's a pretty obvious sign that they don't really care about you as much as their previous partners for me. I've ended relationships over this, because if you're missing something so fundamental, it's just not going to work out.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/24 05:52 AM
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What's wrong with short sleeve button downs 😭
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 07:16 AM
3

For me, it's always been a 'grass is greener on the other side' situation. When I'm in shit relationships I start to think being alone would be better, when I'm alone I'd take a shit relationship over it. It sucks. It's just a cycle that we go through until we have an actually good relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/23 07:14 AM
1

No, I usually try to befriend them. I enjoy being around attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/23 06:04 PM
9

It's the opposite. The alienation and atomisation in late stage capitalist economy makes things too difficult, and human relationships are one of the things that suffer due to it. How are people supposed to connect with others when they spend most of their time working?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 12:33 PM
2

I was just wondering IF that is the reason things are the way they are. I don't think we should kill a portion of men to solve whatever issue we're having, not only is it unethical it just doesn't make sense for selfish reasons either, the entire global economy would collapse and the most would starve. What forums were you reading? It's really fucked up if they genuinely believed it. I don't think the wars would select for unattractive men or 'normies' either, It would end up in just as many Cha…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 12:25 PM
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Well, depends on what your saying. Epistemologically an argument is not more valid on account of who is says it, however someone with a particular experience can reveal a dimension of a debate not otherwise considered. In either case, the argument needs to be assessed independently of the person presenting it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 09:49 AM
5

I don't think this is much of a feminist power fantasy, most women want monogamy in their marriage, they typically only enter into polygynous marriages due to circumstances. The above being just an example. This would tip the scale in men's favour, so I'm not sure why any feminist would fantasize about it. Also, women being mistreated and the above scenario are not mutually exclusive, I'm not sure what your point is.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 09:45 AM
6

Tbh I think the 'greasy' ones just have their own niche of women who find them attractive. I find similarly 'greasy' women really attractive too. But I wouldn't call tricking women into sex by pretending you love them being a whore, maybe a fuck boy at best. It's not very efficient either. Again man, do you think there's a shortage of guys who will be willing to lie for sex? Again, it's a lack of capability, not desire. You also have to be incredibly socially apt, which is just as rare and diffi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 07:00 AM
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Kind of. My father, when I was growing up, was the literal definition of an Alpha as red pillers describe it, tall, handsome, muscular, confident, aggressive and relatively well-off. But tbh, one thing I feel red pillers miss is how this affects the people around you. Sure, everyone feared my father and respected him, but it was fear at the expense of affection. It's why I try to learn from his mistakes and dial down on some things.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 06:49 AM
6

Well you can, but it's not the easiest thing. You have to be quite attractive and be resilient. I don't think most men aren't manwhores due to a lack of want, it more that they're incapable for whatever reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 06:20 AM
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Terrible idea, also incredibly unethical in my opinion. You're essentially hiding your true intentions and using subterfuge to get closer to them. I lose respect for men who do this.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 06:09 AM
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I've thought about this at times, and I think my reaction would be A. Nothing wrong with her interest, but cutting me off when I care about them? That's rough.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 06:06 AM
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Historically this happened at times, tribal conflict could at times kill half of all the young men. I do wonder if that kind of arrangement with the surviving men engaging in polygyny is how things are meant to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 04:27 AM
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Both
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 12:53 PM
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Eh, it's possible. Though I personally don't date women who are adamant on having male friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 09:27 PM
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Not necessarily but it definitely could. If the strictness and religiousness results in being constantly shamed then that would be the natural result, though I don't think that's a universal thing. In my context I think it has the opposite effect where our men are almost arrogant.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 08:18 AM
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Eh, hate is a strong word. But yeah, they usually don't see women who sleep around as relationship material. In that regard I think they're similar to most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 07:07 AM
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Depends on what you're looking for I guess. I wouldn't date a women who had sex with me on the first date.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 07:04 AM
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I dunno man, to begin with, Tate has a vested interest in appearing like he gets a lot of women, it's part of his brand and what his career is dependent on. Regardless, I think access to sex should be pretty low on the list of reasons not to be a misogynist. You could be someone who sleeps with whoever they want, I'd still stress that you should not be a misogynist.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 09:27 AM
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