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Mfw I go gym and as a result I am more sane and can do manual labour (which I couldn't do before I joined the gym because I was fat af and no muscle at all and got out of breath climbing a flight of stairs)
/r/MensRights15/03/26 08:38 PM
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I would literally prefer to be made to penetrate a woman than be attacked by a bear and I am literally gay so like yeah
/r/MensRights02/01/26 08:51 AM
4

I mean I've made a man cum twice back to back before but it is quite difficult to do tbf
/r/EverydayMisandry13/12/25 04:41 AM
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I used to have sex with men I didn't even find attractive in any way FOR FREE because I am a terrible businessman. Your way sounds better, looking back I kind of feel bad for having used men as nothing more than poles/holes
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/11/25 04:57 AM
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To an extent sex can be theatre - if it's like role play and there's safewords etc.
/r/MensRights21/10/25 04:02 PM
2

This is so stupid when I fuck a man I am definitely not expressing contempt for his body. If I were to fuck a woman (lol I am too gay to function tho let's be real) why would that be different
/r/EverydayMisandry14/10/25 10:57 AM
3

I don't think porn automatically degrades actors or consumers. I have uploaded porn to xtube for free before back when that was a thing, if someone wanted to give me money for it as well I wouldn't be complaining about it
/r/MensRights11/10/25 07:04 AM
2

There aren't any women in the porn I watch so ???? Misogyny because it excludes women as not being attractive enough to feature in it ???
/r/MensRights11/10/25 06:56 AM
1

There's loads of bisexual women that are in straight relationships that are well hidden. There are some bisexual men like this too but not as many
/r/EverydayMisandry09/10/25 05:11 PM
2

I reckon if you lump in bisexuals with gays then there might actually be more LB women than GB men, however I think more gay men being in gay villages is more to do with gay mens subculture including sociosexuality. Gay men (myself included) usually have a much stronger preference for living somewhere with at least a decent gay scene (ideally somewhere with a massive gay population, but failing that, a big and usually somewhat cosmopolitan city will do) whereas lesbians tend to be more content j…
/r/EverydayMisandry09/10/25 04:51 PM
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I am a man with BPD and while I am gay so have never been in a relationship with a woman, I can assure you that the way it presents with BPD is much more extreme. I have been single for 10 years and I don't date anymore because when I try to date I end up getting sectioned or relapsing
/r/MensRights27/09/25 02:51 PM
3

Am gay can confirm x
/r/MensRights15/09/25 09:55 AM
0

Yep I've been saying for ages feminists are authoritarians
/r/MensRights16/08/25 03:00 PM
1

It's strictly speaking not scientific (or pseudoscientific) as it is unfalsifiable, although it does kind of make sense at least to me that if humans as a group collectively evolved to value the safety of childbearers above the safety of others, that would lead to heightened reproductive success
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/08/25 02:47 PM
3

I also know some old school trans women (who identify primarily as women and then secondarily but reluctantly as trans) who feel exiled by the current trans movement (which has a big chunk that identify primarily as trans and secondarily as nonmen)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/08/25 08:52 AM
5

Socially liberal isn't the same as woke tho. I am very socially liberal but don't believe in woke feminist nonsense as I do have some grasp on reality
/r/MensRights16/08/25 05:47 AM
25

I see this especially with like medical stuff, feminists seem to think that doctors are only dismissive of women. They are very often dismissive of men too. They may be more dismissive of women in some contexts but more dismissive of men in others. But feminists act like women have a monopoly on being dismissed
/r/MensRights10/08/25 07:39 PM
2

I think therapy can be good for men but at the same time I think men are more likely to struggle with it than women are. It is a somewhat female coded thing (the role of the therapist is pretty maternal) however I have always had an easier time with male therapists
/r/MensRights09/08/25 04:20 AM
2

Wtf dick is life tho
/r/EverydayMisandry01/08/25 07:11 AM
2

I don't think they think about it in that much detail tbh I think they just hate us because we are men
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/07/25 05:31 AM
2

Yeah I feel like a huge chunk of straight and bi women are not actually attracted to men
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/07/25 07:28 PM
1

With regards to gender my beliefs are that we are fundamentally equal. There are certain trends towards strengths and weaknesses due to biology and socialisation but it's not that one gender is overall better than the other nor is it that all of one gender is stronger than the other in a particular area and we should not forget this (as a man who has been physically quite frail for most of my life it frustrated me that people expected me to be stronger than women that I was not stronger than) To…
/r/MensRights21/07/25 06:14 PM
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100% agree with you, I'm a gay dude and I've noticed that half the cases where feminists claim it's a gender thing it's actually more that it's an intimate partner thing - and that for heterosexual men their intimate partner is going to be a woman, but whatever has gone on is often not actually due to their genders at all
/r/MensRights15/07/25 11:58 AM
5

Feminism is not the only way to solve issues that affect women. You can just....you know...not ignore either gender
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/07/25 06:17 AM
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100% agree. While I hate misandrists I don't hate women, I hate those individual women but there are plenty of women who are great
/r/EverydayMisandry01/07/25 04:22 AM
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I think a lot of self identified heterosexual women don't actually find men attractive tho (based on talking to them)
/r/EverydayMisandry24/06/25 09:46 PM
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Ok but how many women actually like men tho. From my point of view as a gay man who loves men and cock, it is rare that I meet a woman who also loves men and cock
/r/EverydayMisandry24/06/25 08:40 PM
8

The only explanation I've heard that makes ANY sense is that the bear will almost certainly kill them but the man might rape them but probably won't kill them so then they're walking around traumatised. I still think it paints us as WAY more sexually aggressive than is even close to realistic, but I feel like there is at least some level of brain engagement in that argument
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/06/25 06:11 AM
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Lol at when they assume we will be alright with their misandry, totally forgetting that not only are we men but our (future) husband will also be a man and unlike straight feminists we actually like men
/r/MensRights14/06/25 06:14 AM
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So I actually had this conversation with my boss and I did realise that the intrusive memories that I get are always organised around shame rather than fear. My interpretation of this whole thing is that for some reason for men being humiliated is a fate worse than death, probably because women are considered to have inherent worth but we are not
/r/EverydayMisandry14/06/25 05:43 AM
4

Whatever bitch more dick for me ig x
/r/EverydayMisandry13/06/25 07:55 AM
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Already am x
/r/MensRights04/06/25 04:36 PM
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This is all normal stranger danger shit. Also the way you keep sort of pretending not to understand my answers is reminiscent of my mother so kindly fuck off there's a reason I'm not talking to her
/r/MensRights27/05/25 05:46 AM
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Treating all women like they are monsters is misogyny. Stranger danger is just sensible but there's no reason to blanketly treat either gender as sadistic killing and raping machines because so few people are actually like that
/r/MensRights27/05/25 05:43 AM
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The way feminists do it where man = bad and woman = good is entirely unreasonable. If you are wary of all strangers that is fair enough but that's not what they do
/r/MensRights27/05/25 05:36 AM
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I don't put my guard up against women generally tho I put it up against feminists
/r/MensRights27/05/25 05:34 AM
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Similar to modern LGBT online spaces which tracks as it's a lot of the same people. I'm an old fashioned gay I do not feel I fit in at all in online LGBT spaces anymore
/r/MensRights19/05/25 04:54 AM
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TBF I can forgive a Saudi Arabian woman for being a bit misandrist tho
/r/MensRights10/05/25 06:02 AM
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CBA to read it all but on a population level yes men like sex more and gay men are definitely more promiscuous than straight people or lesbians. I suspect that if straight men weren't limited by women then they would be just as promiscuous as us tho. I don't see anything wrong with men liking sex more than women do and I think from an evolutionary standpoint it does make sense so it wouldn't surprise me if we are hardwired to be like this
/r/MensRights08/05/25 07:10 AM
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Literally I bond with friends by doing basically anything but oppressing women Going gym, going for a brew and yapping away, going shopping, going for food, going cinema, shagging being the main methods None of these involve oppressing women unless you go with the feminist logic of how gay men enforce the patriarchy by excluding women from our sex lives lmao
/r/EverydayMisandry23/04/25 06:11 PM
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I think you can be both of those things though. I would consider myself to be both. Feminists are always shook when I don't cosign their bullshit
/r/MensRights12/04/25 05:49 AM
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Tfw I'm enforcing the patriarchy by riding dick
/r/MensRights12/04/25 04:41 AM
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I think there are lots of different sorts of gay, and I suspect that the ones that are anti mens rights yet attracted to masculine men are probably the ones that do not really see themselves as "one of the guys", even if superficially they do indeed identify as men. Personally I am attracted to masculine men and also see myself as being one of the guys, even if there are some camp parts of my expression, and I struggle with assertiveness due to the trauma of being relentlessly bullied growing up…
/r/MensRights12/04/25 04:40 AM
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Wow wtf and they say incels are bad
/r/EverydayMisandry06/04/25 08:42 PM
3

I'm literally gay and I agree with you 100% lmao
/r/MensRights01/04/25 01:54 AM
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Tbh I reckon modern day feminism is basically just a socially acceptable way for a woman to be a narcissist. Just instead of being strictly about themselves it's about their whole gender, but there's a similar grandiosity and wilful lack of empathy etc
/r/MensRights01/04/25 01:52 AM
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I'm literally gay and even I can see she is not mid
/r/EverydayMisandry30/03/25 09:33 PM
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Yeah I saw a woman on Reddit say something about like these women that choose the bear clearly don't leave the house, because irl she comes across situations where like her trolley got stuck and she's trying to get it unstuck so all these random men appeared out of nowhere taking it as a challenge to get it unstuck then everyone all high fiving each other when they manage it
/r/MensRights28/03/25 06:45 PM
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Prolly not a coincidence that my friends (men and women alike) are all the kinds of people that want me to call them out on their bullshit when it arises. Because I will absolutely fucking do it lol A few months ago my friend made a bad decision against my advice that not only had all the predictable consequences but a load of unexpected negative consequences too. She said recently that at the time her other gay friend was also trying to get her not to do it lol. I was just like definitely liste…
/r/EverydayMisandry27/03/25 06:44 AM
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As a gay guy: Not all lesbians are misandrists, many are not, and many butch lesbians are essentially "one of the guys" (like moreso than even the campest gay guys are "one of the girls") Pretty sure this does happen although I think it's getting less I would not complain about being catcalled by girls?? I'd like idk shake my arse at them I'd accept the compliment I don't even know what to say about this tbh it just doesn't seem to be based in reality I've been accused of hating women which I gu…
/r/EverydayMisandry27/03/25 06:38 AM
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I'm gay and I've always thought that women tend to be more average looking whereas a lot of men are either really hot or pretty ugly - because as you say, we all look a bit rougher, but it's about if we look rough in a way that is exciting or not. Although bald guys are 🍆🍆🍆🍆 just saying x
/r/MensRights25/03/25 07:51 PM
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Lmao just me thinking she was Gwen Cooper
/r/EverydayMisandry25/03/25 07:02 AM
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Based x
/r/EverydayMisandry25/03/25 07:01 AM
4

But if we're criticising the exclusion of non misogynistic men from feminist subs why would we then do exactly the same but reversed here
/r/MensRights25/03/25 07:01 AM
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Maybe but I personally really appreciate posts and comments from women who are understanding of men's issues and supportive of us and their brothers, fathers, sons etc. Can't we just have a no misandry rule if misandry is the problem because evidently not all women are misandrists
/r/MensRights25/03/25 06:57 AM
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Yeah honestly not only are feminists very misandrist but they are low key misogynist when you really think about it. They seem to believe that women are incapable of having any sort of agency or taking responsibility for anything. Most of the women in my life are capable of those things tho (except my mother but that's not because she's a woman, it's just because she's her)
/r/MensRights25/03/25 06:55 AM
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Spain definitely doesn't, I used to live there and I'm British, UK is 1000x worse
/r/MensRights24/03/25 06:21 AM
1

Yeah so tbh I am not sure where I stand on gender issues, I think that is harder for children to grasp, and frankly it is harder for adults to grasp. But the idea of a homosexual romantic relationship is typically way less confusing for everyone
/r/MensRights23/03/25 04:49 PM
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Ok what does that even have to do with what we were talking about? And I think that kids should be educated about it in parallel with their education on heterosexual relationships. Tbh would've explained a lot to 6 year old me if I knew that homosexuality existed at that point
/r/MensRights23/03/25 06:59 AM
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Honestly in Barcelona it could be. But it is basically gay capital of the world tbf
/r/MensRights23/03/25 06:41 AM
1

In Barcelona they are x
/r/MensRights23/03/25 06:21 AM
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I'm gay and I unironically agree with you. Demisexual being the most egregious example: "I have to get to know someone before I feel sexually attracted to them" that isn't a fucking sexual orientation is it
/r/MensRights23/03/25 06:21 AM
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Isnt the DV rate for gay men lower than for straight people?
/r/MensRights23/03/25 06:19 AM
2

I know a man who has been raped by two women, in at least one of the situations he woke up to her riding him. Obviously he did not consent as he started off asleep but yes men often have erections while sleeping that does not equal consent.
/r/MensRights22/03/25 05:24 AM
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Yeah I think this is what's going on, there's no way that there's only 11 teenage girls who should have been sent to prison in a country of like 70 million people or however many it is
/r/MensRights22/03/25 04:57 AM
3

Unironically the least brain dead argument I've heard supporting choosing the bear is that at least the bear is more likely to kill her relatively quickly rather than leaving her with traumatic memories of a rape or other non lethal assault I think it partially misses the point but I can actually see the logic there and she doesn't seem to be trying to argue that the bear is actually the safer option
/r/EverydayMisandry21/03/25 06:45 PM
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Also how many times are women surrounded by grizzly bears and how often does that go well for them
/r/EverydayMisandry21/03/25 06:29 PM
2

Yes this is definitely the case. I'm the sort of gay guy where like, you can tell I'm gay but it's not 100% obvious to everyone, I have enough basic man traits that not everyone can tell I'm gay. However my voice is fairly camp and I gesticulate like an Italian. But growing up was a different time and high schools are harsh, I got a lot of shit for being effeminate. I didn't come out until sixth form (which was strategic and I wasn't bullied at all in sixth form for various reasons) but the bull…
/r/MensRights20/03/25 05:59 AM
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A straight man absolutely does face sexism and can even face homophobia if someone just assumes he is gay even though he isn't
/r/MensRights20/03/25 05:53 AM
5

Yeah exactly it is solid advice even though it sucks that society is like this x
/r/EverydayMisandry18/03/25 01:21 AM
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It may be unnecessary but I still appreciate it x
/r/EverydayMisandry17/03/25 06:42 PM
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I know someone who will sometimes take his shirt off but that's because it's his own lock-in gym so he can do what he wants lol also I wonder if for things like lifting atlas stones maybe it helps if you are shirtless??
/r/EverydayMisandry17/03/25 05:47 PM
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Literally not only was all of this completely inaccurate but I fucking wish more men would take their shirts off at the gym. My gym is full of really hot guys whose bodies I definitely do want to see
/r/EverydayMisandry17/03/25 05:46 PM
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I think a lot of women don't understand the difference between appreciating someone's beauty/sexiness and seeing them as an object
/r/MensRights16/03/25 09:37 PM
6

Ye tbh sometimes I think I experience more misandry than homophobia x
/r/MensRights12/03/25 11:35 PM
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I would argue that for all intents and purposes feminism is misandrist. I wouldn't apply that same equivalence to historic feminism necessarily (definitely not in a blanket way) but if modern feminists are usually misandrists then I think it's reasonable to say that modern feminism is misandrist
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/03/25 11:00 PM
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I wish male beauty were more appreciated. I also wish straight men were allowed to openly appreciate female beauty without being scorned
/r/EverydayMisandry12/03/25 10:51 PM
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I've had feminists claim that me watching dudes fuck each other in the arse is somehow misogynist ???
/r/MensRights09/03/25 04:10 PM
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Yep exactly, I bet 100 years ago I would've been marching with feminists for women's rights but nowadays at least where I live (UK) women have more rights than men, so it's ridiculous to focus exclusively on women's rights. Women's and men's issues need to be looked at in parallel in this day and age
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/25 08:30 AM
2

Who tf knows how we go about electing politicians in this country
/r/MensRights07/03/25 07:16 AM
5

I'm from the UK, when I lived in Spain I never encountered any radical feminists. Admittedly I mostly made friends via Grindr, but I didn't exclusively socialise like that, and the self identified feminists I did come across were just women who were passionate about women's issues without wanting to stomp all over men (so like how I am with men's issues). I do know one Spanish radical feminist but I met her online and she is terminally online (what a surprise - I think most radical feminists hav…
/r/MensRights07/03/25 06:01 AM
1

Yeah I've heard that estrogen is usually the driver of roid rage. No idea how true that is but it seems plausible to me as steroids do usually increase estrogen as well as testosterone
/r/MensRights06/03/25 11:38 AM
2

This is why I'm glad I'm gay. We actually love men's bodies
/r/EverydayMisandry05/03/25 08:13 PM
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My mum lives alone and while she doesn't complain of mental load in those words, she does act like she is the only person with the crippling responsibility of running a house. Well stop ironing your fucking bedsheets then
/r/MensRights05/03/25 07:41 PM
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Yeah tbh as a gay man in the UK I'm starting to notice that misandry is getting out of hand but being gay sometimes offers me some protection
/r/MensRights03/03/25 11:24 PM
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Yup I am very pro womens rights but very anti sexism whether it is feminism or misogyny
/r/MensRights03/03/25 08:32 AM
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Lately I've started to think that feminists low key have a really poor opinion of women as they think they have no agency or accountability, they think that they do not take actions and that any actions they take are somehow to do with the nearest man instead. The women in my life are perfectly capable of taking actions and being held accountable for them, but then again, they are not feminists
/r/EverydayMisandry28/02/25 06:58 AM
2

Lmao I'll all for sucking dick to victory music but not sure about the inlaid gems myself x
/r/MensRights26/02/25 04:49 PM
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I mean yes I was exaggerating a bit lmao but still
/r/MensRights26/02/25 04:46 PM
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Sucking dick is an honour not an obligation x
/r/MensRights26/02/25 02:21 PM
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Idk at least not any of the ones I have encountered
/r/EverydayMisandry24/02/25 04:40 PM
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TBF the first one you see reflected in straight women's vs gay men's attitudes towards men as well. Straight women seem to not actually find men attractive whereas for gay men it's like every time we see a hot guy is our first time seeing one
/r/EverydayMisandry24/02/25 03:55 PM
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I mean some women yeah
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/02/25 04:11 AM
23

Yep I actually think that getting rid of chivalry is a positive contribution from feminism. Women are indeed able bodied adults (well except the ones that are not but same goes for men there) and should be treated accordingly
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/25 09:49 PM
17

Thing is they are secretly not only misandrists but also misogynists. They believe that men are monsters and women are victims, but they also believe that women have no agency at all (hence why they never consider women to be accountable for anything)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/25 07:14 PM
3

I would be less arsed about it if mine were big I used to hook up with a guy who once was like "😭 I only get messages when I set my Grindr name to hung top" I was just like...at least you CAN set your name to that to get messages. I hardly get messages at all and I can't even advertise myself as a hung top to compensate 😭
/r/MensRights08/02/25 07:14 AM
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Literally baldness is like my second fave feature on a man, after a strong beard. And almost all naturally bald men have strong beards
/r/MensRights05/02/25 10:53 PM
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I feel like this all started when it became fashionable to be trans and/or non binary (the and is really ridiculous here because being trans and non binary should really be mutually exclusive if you think about it) Older trans women and trans men typically identify primarily as women or as men and only secondarily (and sometimes even reluctantly) as trans. Whereas the trans non binary crowd (usually amab) seem to identify primarily as trans then secondarily as "anything other than men". Makes me…
/r/EverydayMisandry03/02/25 10:22 PM
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Recently had a trans woman ex friend try to tell me that gay men are dripping in privilege and that we are the enforcers of the patriarchy and as such it's fine to hate us. Fuck that bitch
/r/EverydayMisandry03/02/25 10:17 PM
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Literally I swear this is the country where feminism has the tightest grip, most of the articles in this sub come from here
/r/MensRights03/02/25 09:15 PM
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Irrespective of the validity of your argument I will say that that subreddit is very overzealously moderated
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/25 07:42 PM
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Plenty less misandrous, the biggest issue is getting there post Brexit. I used to live in Spain and there is way less misandry over there
/r/MensRights02/02/25 06:05 PM
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Wtf I went to uni 2012-2017 and didn't have anything like that. And I studied psychology lmao
/r/MensRights02/02/25 06:04 PM
4

This is so true, a big part of dressing well as a man is having a good body and wearing clothes that fit well (snug if you're muscular, a little bit looser if you're overweight)
/r/MensRights02/02/25 11:51 AM
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Oh right woosh ig
/r/MensRights01/02/25 12:46 PM
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Mfw I am both man and bear
/r/MensRights01/02/25 12:42 PM
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???? I would rather be pulled over by a policewoman????
/r/MensRights01/02/25 12:42 PM
3

I can relate even though I don't think I'm actually autistic. My family basically never let me out so my social skills were always trash tier. Once I went to uni they improved gradually, it was a slow process though, and in my head I'm still completely socially inept but people tell me that my social skills are actually pretty good now (I'm in recovery so we do end up having frank discussions about this shit) and really the only time I start to appear genuinely autistic is when I get angry which…
/r/MensRights29/01/25 05:04 AM
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Also just to take a stupid example a lot of feminists complain about products being marketed differently towards men vs women. For example my whey protein comes in a big black tub that basically says PROTEIN on it. It says how many grams of protein are in it on the front and not much else sticks out. My best friend (who is a woman) buys one that has pictures of fruit on it and advertises on the front how many calories are in one serving. Neither of us felt we "had" to get the one we went for tho…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/25 07:36 PM
4

To me toxic masculinity should mean like, rigid enforcement of gender roles on others (berating men for feminine traits or women for not being subservient) But of course this is not how feminists use it at all. They do use it as a sexist slur, anything a man does that they dislike is "toxic masculinity" to them I would argue that toxic femininity is basically feminism but could also be a few other things. So in sum it would include berating: men for feminine traits; men for masculine traits: wom…
/r/MensRights26/01/25 09:22 AM
3

Wow I wish I had this
/r/MensRights26/01/25 05:16 AM
2

No-one asked for you making this post but here you are making this post and spreading this evil sexual comment everywhere !!!! Wtf no-one told you you could do that why would you do that that is terrible (/s)
/r/MensRights25/01/25 05:55 PM
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Hard agree, it's not at all graphic or aggressive or anything like that. Men and women should equally be allowed to express sexual attraction to adults of any sex, obviously there are also limits but this is the most ridiculous complaint ever
/r/MensRights25/01/25 05:53 PM
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I meant yes and it's a kiss x
/r/EverydayMisandry23/01/25 09:05 AM
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Ye no fucking idea why tbh x
/r/EverydayMisandry22/01/25 11:18 PM
2

Yeah honestly there's so many radical feminists here they are effectively in charge. Speaking up is not a pragmatic decision
/r/MensRights22/01/25 07:40 PM
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Yeah this sort of bullshit annoys me as a gay man also. And then you get radical feminists saying that gay men are the ultimate enforcers of the patriarchy and that we are misogynists. Now I actually do not hate women at all, I know lots of awesome lovely women, however this is hard to explain to radfems because I typically hate THEM due to their misandry. But like me being into dudes has nothing to do with hatred of any individual woman or my nonexistent hatred for women as a group, and everyth…
/r/EverydayMisandry22/01/25 06:32 PM
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Tbh way too many women seem to expect men to basically gouge their eyes out so as to avoid experiencing sexual desire other than when the woman wants him to
/r/MensRights20/01/25 01:27 AM
1

I don't read it as her blaming men for periods and childbirth. I see it as her being like "hang on, there's this patriarchy thing we are dealing with and we also draw the short end of the stick biologically" As much as I may disagree with the whole patriarchy thing, I would tend to agree that periods and childbirth don't look fun and they are something us men don't have to deal with
/r/EverydayMisandry19/01/25 10:33 PM
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Donald trump is vilified due to his actions tho, he ain't green or anything (he's not seen as inherently flawed irrespective of his actions)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/25 07:31 AM
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I think it's a generic commentary on discrimination, I don't think it's specifically pro-male. Tbh if anything I think it works better for minority groups because of how Elphaba is unique in her greenness. But I do agree though that it does have some parallels with the male experience, just not that they are in any way specific to it
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/25 10:31 PM
5

Yeah I hate how often this excuse is used not just by feminists but often by feminists - saying it's not about the people it does actually directly concern
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/25 08:26 PM
11

Tbh I think there's probably more DV resources for gay men than for straight men, even though straight men are more likely to be victims of DV (both proportionally and in absolute numbers) I also feel like gay men are more likely to be taken seriously when it comes to DV, even though unfortunately the reason is that we date men and therefore it is seen as more likely that our partners are abusive than how it is seen for straight men
/r/MensRights13/01/25 05:28 PM
6

Yep same and sometimes in certain circles I actually notice how being gay can work as an anti misandry shield
/r/MensRights13/01/25 05:27 PM
2

Oh lmao didn't even know that female dom tops existed tbh
/r/EverydayMisandry12/01/25 04:26 PM
3

Ofc we can share he has a massive cock and two hands so there's more than enough to go round
/r/EverydayMisandry12/01/25 04:23 PM
2

Well that's wild because I used to hookup with a dom top who had lighting like this
/r/EverydayMisandry12/01/25 04:17 PM
2

I whole heartedly agree. I saw a YouTube video based on the book The Authoritarian Personality and as he was going through the different traits my first thought was "wow this is literally feminists". Belief in the inevitability if power dynamics (i.e. disbelief in equality)? Check. Belief that the only pragmatic response is to ensure that your group comes out on top? Check. Intolerance of others' sexuality? Check.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/25 07:11 AM
2

Based
/r/MensRights09/01/25 09:02 PM
14

Sorry but as a gay man I am closer to chaotic good than lawful evil
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/25 07:57 PM
17

Yeah same as a gay man I am definitely part of men only spaces but I don't see what excluding women would achieve! Excluding misandrists yes maybe but not all women are like that. My best friend is a woman and she definitely empathises with men's struggles
/r/MensRights05/01/25 08:59 AM
2

Ok tbh I had assumed it was done with anaesthesia
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/24 08:48 PM
2

I agree with you 100%
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/24 08:46 PM
10

See I find it entertaining that this shit exists because this is a pretty funny example but I don't see it as a problem or as indicative of fragile masculinity. I am hardly a manly man. (I am a slightly - but not super - camp gay man) But me and my best friend (a woman) bought very different protein powders without thinking about it. Mine comes in a big black tub and has all like big capital letters etc, very standard protein powder tub design. Hers is all covered in pictures of fruit (the flavo…
/r/EverydayMisandry30/12/24 08:37 PM
1

I would argue that MGM is comparable to the milder forms of FGM, obviously there's always going to be a bit of an apples and oranges comparison but they seem to be in the same ballpark. But the more severe forms of FGM do seem considerably worse than MGM
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/24 08:05 PM
1

Not convinced that muscles are being removed in MGM I just want to be clear, I am very against ritual/unnecessary and unconsented MGM, and the sheer number of boys that are victims of it is a massive problem. However I do not think it is inconsistent to be against MGM and also believe that FGM causes more distress (due to lack of anaesthesia and age it is done at) and functional impairment (difficulties with sex etc due to the mutilation)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/24 07:13 PM
2

Also I know women who have experienced FGM. Typically they are taken to their country of origin (e.g. Somalia) and it is done without anaesthetic etc
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/24 02:20 PM
1

The knife for sex thing is like every time they have sex
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/24 02:20 PM
-4

What??? That makes no sense. Often women who have suffered fgm have to use a knife to cut themselves to half sex
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/24 11:24 AM
-9

The idea that having your foreskin removed is more extreme than having your clitoris and labia minora removed then the whole thing sewn shut is completely unhinged
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/24 10:14 AM
4

Yeah exactly I only need to say not all men when the other person is saying all men, I do not appreciate being called a rapist
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/24 09:18 AM
10

Imo FGM is worse (there are different forms, some are much more extreme, others are more comparable to MGM) but that definitely does not make MGM in any way acceptable
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/24 09:17 AM
11

The only one that has any semblance of realism about it is 20. I think it's fair to say that in most cases people are going to understand better a body that is similar to theirs. That's why men are better at sucking dick and women are better at eating pussy (generally)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/12/24 05:55 PM
11

I have had feminists tell me that even gay porn is degrading to women like wtf
/r/MensRights22/12/24 09:54 AM
5

Not sure the gay dating scene is much better, although at least we don't treat our boyfriends like shit because of them being men ig
/r/EverydayMisandry22/12/24 06:57 AM
5

Nice way of squarely dumping the blame on the victims' shoulders
/r/EverydayMisandry21/12/24 07:20 PM
12

"and then he ran into my knife. He ran into my knife ten times"
/r/MensRights21/12/24 07:13 AM
16

Yeah tbh I would say a lot of gay men are excessively demanding of perfection but I still broadly agree with you. The way many straight women treat their boyfriends is disgusting and it's terrible that society just accepts it. I like when as a gay person I can provide alternative perspectives like OP's lesbian did, however it can be frustrating when straight women expect that as a gay man I must side with them but then I don't because they're being morons and then I'm suddenly a sexist pig for s…
/r/MensRights21/12/24 07:09 AM
2

Do they mean that male perpetrators are less likely to self disclose it in research? Because that seems plausible to me, as I think female perpetrators might have a better chance of not being reported or judged for it, or they may be a bit like "well I guess I did force him to do it but in the end he liked it anyway" (even if he didn't)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/12/24 07:55 PM
51

I am gay and defo see myself as suffering from men's issues. There are certain ones that are somewhat smoothened for me (e.g. some women would prefer to be alone with me than with a bear, even though I am a bear) but others are intensified (e.g. some people see gay men as automatically being paedos) but yeah even when a men's issue doesn't personally affect me that much I stand alongside straight men that are more affected
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/12/24 10:06 PM
3

I'm aware that they do irl to each other too but I suspect not as much. I'm gay so some women (mistakenly) consider me "one of the girls" so I do hear things that they wouldn't say in front of straight men
/r/MensRights17/12/24 09:20 PM
65

Tbh idk what it is with female redditors. Irl women are nowhere near as ridiculous as on Reddit, whereas men are only slightly more ridiculous on Reddit than irl
/r/MensRights17/12/24 06:21 AM
7

I would say conservatives aren't necessarily feminists but that feminists are necessarily authoritarian
/r/EverydayMisandry15/12/24 08:30 AM
5

Yet us gay men are gradually starting to be considered to be beneficiaries of the "patriarchy" and "male privilege" for some bizarre reason
/r/EverydayMisandry15/12/24 08:29 AM
12

Can confirm that UK is absolutely insane, i used to live in Spain though and while I met 1 woman who was like completely ridiculous, I would say that the vast majority of women I met there were at least somewhat sensible including self identified feminists (like, they called themselves feminists but I would say they weren't because they were more about gender equality rather than female supremacy)
/r/MensRights10/12/24 08:33 PM
81

Also feminists are thinly veiled authoritarians
/r/MensRights09/12/24 07:24 PM
3

Yeah i mean obviously I do not approve of porn being made without consent of the actors ... But if they want to do it I'm all for it
/r/EverydayMisandry08/12/24 06:22 PM
7

So TBF some feminists will say gay porn is fine because it doesn't degrade women which does make sense (although I dislike the idea that degrading men is fine. But imo porn doesn't degrade the actors) It is only a minority even among feminists who claim that gay porn degrades women. I can't wrap my head around it tho
/r/EverydayMisandry08/12/24 05:27 PM
0

Down low
/r/EverydayMisandry08/12/24 09:33 AM
4

TBF dick is life
/r/EverydayMisandry08/12/24 07:29 AM
26

Yep I have had to deal with this recently I hate it. I've even been told that even gay porn is degrading to women ??? Bitch please there are no women in my porn yet somehow it is degrading to them wtf
/r/EverydayMisandry08/12/24 07:29 AM
-4

TBF it's not entirely false. DL guys have no respect for their wives or for their male lovers. I've recently had to stop talking to a friend because when he started having sex with men he became quite homophobic
/r/EverydayMisandry08/12/24 07:28 AM
1

Right but feminists literally outright state that grizzly bears are safer than human men
/r/EverydayMisandry06/12/24 08:46 PM
1

Replace good with safe then I think you know what I mean though I am not passing moral judgement on grizzly bears for doing grizzly bear things
/r/EverydayMisandry06/12/24 08:44 PM
1

Replace good with safe then I think you know what I mean though I am not passing moral judgement on grizzly bears for doing grizzly bear things
/r/EverydayMisandry06/12/24 08:44 PM
1

Replace good with safe then I think you know what I mean though I am not passing moral judgement on grizzly bears for doing grizzly bear things
/r/EverydayMisandry06/12/24 08:44 PM
6

Yet for some bizarre reason they use examples of good grizzly bears to generalise all grizzly bears it's fucking bizarre
/r/EverydayMisandry06/12/24 09:23 AM
2

Me, when I encounter feminists they are always totally shooketh to find out that I don't blindly worship women. Even though it makes literally zero sense for me to do so because it ain't exactly like I'm trying to get some pussy is it but yeah
/r/MensRights05/12/24 08:51 PM
6

As a gay man I hate having to deal with this expectation when I have literally no reason to put women on a pedestal
/r/MensRights30/11/24 09:57 PM
2

Don't listen to women on porn, I've been told that even me watching two dudes fucking each other somehow degrades women. Wtf
/r/MensRights20/11/24 07:33 AM
10

Yeah I hate this Like come on everyone knows dick is life
/r/EverydayMisandry10/11/24 06:17 AM
31

Same tbh and considering that in most countries (including my own) being a gay man is not exactly easy, it's pretty fucked up
/r/MensRights09/11/24 05:40 PM
13

Yeah I hate how when as men we do something we are responsible (this bit in itself is fine) but also if a woman does something near us we are also responsible for it
/r/EverydayMisandry09/11/24 03:43 PM
1

This is fucking stupid I have been catcalled before and I wish it would happen more often this arse needs some appreciation
/r/MensRights09/11/24 07:10 AM
1

Omg I hate gay prudes honestly Everyone knows most gay men are sex obsessed (like even more than straight men are) don't go around pretending you are superior to the rest of us just because you deny yourself dick
/r/EverydayMisandry07/11/24 09:38 PM
9

Yeah I think this can be read multiple ways but my reading is basically "feminists say you're all shite. We disagree"
/r/EverydayMisandry24/10/24 05:22 PM
3

Wait are those statistics about straight people only shagging like 8 different people in their life accurate???
/r/MensRights22/10/24 11:12 PM
15

Gay man here I couldn't possibly quantify it. I do think I experience a bit less misandry than straight men, although feminists often act betrayed when I call them out on it. But at least I'm allowed to express sexual desire tho because it's targetted at men and not women. Although there are also homophobes who would beat the shit out of me for it so I wouldn't say we're in a better position overall.
/r/EverydayMisandry20/10/24 10:54 AM
19

Cba to read all of this but I would be delighted if a big burly man catcalled me. Last time I got catcalled was like 10 years ago, my arse could use some appreciation. Also I would be more scared of being raped by a woman than by a man if only because with a man I could try my best to make him cum quick and then it would probably be over, with a woman I wouldn't have a clue how to do that but also I would have no idea how to get it to end
/r/EverydayMisandry17/10/24 05:38 PM
4

Yeah that properly has happened before but I don't think it's particularly common and it's not something that seems to cross many women's minds as a possibility I do think gay men and women do have some more stuff in common, although there is some stuff where we are very much like other men (as an aside, a lot of scientific literature seems to suggest that gay men typically are mosaics of feminine and hypermasculine traits) like I feel like I think in a similar way to other men but communicate m…
/r/MensRights16/10/24 08:15 PM
2

Oh shit. I had that problem when I did a Holter monitor back in 2018 but I thought it was because I was sweating because it was summer (and in Spain). And I didn't realise you did CPR in between shocks
/r/MensRights16/10/24 07:45 PM
3

Sorry wdym by poor victim identity
/r/MensRights16/10/24 07:29 PM
3

I don't think that would vibe well with his content
/r/MensRights16/10/24 07:21 PM
3

Definitely although tbh I don't get very far with women on Reddit. I find that these conversations with women are much more productive in person. I guess maybe because irl I flap my hands about and have a super gay voice so like the fact that I'm gay is almost like an essential part of the interaction? Whereas online they can read me say it but then forget about it or dismiss it
/r/MensRights16/10/24 07:03 PM
7

Aw man I was hoping to be a hairy daddy when I am old. But like I already have heart problems and have had a heart attack (admittedly drug induced) so like I do need to think about this if I do get old
/r/MensRights16/10/24 06:43 PM
20

I would say I have more than the average British man but less than the average unshaven Spanish man, where does that count Edit: Tbf I am 30 tho so in 30 years time it will prolly be a second shirt
/r/MensRights16/10/24 05:58 PM
13

I always wonder what I count as in this situation. I am both a man and a bear (of the gay variety)
/r/MensRights16/10/24 05:57 PM
9

Ok this is super interesting (and unfortunate). I know a few trans women but I think I have met only one trans man and we didn't really get to know each other?? I follow this mega hot trans man on insta but he doesn't really discuss this sort of thing
/r/MensRights16/10/24 05:53 PM
12

This is the sort of situation where I am glad I'm gay. In certain contexts I do escape a bit of misandry because some women consider me to be "one of the girls" (even if I don't see myself that way)
/r/MensRights16/10/24 05:51 PM
4

When I was trained the guidance at the time was to do mouth to mouth if you are confident that you will do it properly, but if you are gonna get squeamish and do it half heartedly it was better just to do chest compressions
/r/MensRights16/10/24 05:49 PM
20

Do they seriously not work through body hair? If I get old and have more risk of heart attacks should I be shaving my chest?
/r/MensRights16/10/24 05:47 PM
47

I would do it on my mother or a close friend. I sure as hell would not do it on a female stranger though because i might get done for sexual assault (to top it off I am gay lmfao but the state of this fucking country)
/r/MensRights16/10/24 08:11 AM
8

Yep definitely and it's sad to see this happening even within the scientific community. There's an argument to be made about whether criterion A is too restrictive (and this is especially the case if someone is autistic, as it is not uncommon for autistic people to develop full on PTSD symptoms in response to events that really don't fulfil criterion A) but at this point these words really are meaningless
/r/MensRights16/10/24 06:41 AM
1

The thing is when feminism first became a thing equal rights for women was a thing to say that made sense, because men were clearly privileged above women in most, if not all areas. But that's no longer the case and it seems to be reversing. But as equality was approached, specifying equal rights for women stopped making sense and it should've been equal rights for all genders. But they kept focusing on women
/r/MensRights14/10/24 07:49 PM
6

Right but in the UK bumping into these women is unavoidable. It's not just 1 in 1000 that you can just avoid in this country
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/10/24 09:37 AM
10

It has been in the UK unfortunately. I must be an awful person because I am a man The way UK feminists talk me being gay is no excuse every single woman that gets raped it's still my fault for being a man
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/10/24 07:40 AM
2

I disagree with putting men before women, that's just what feminists do but inverted I describe myself as an egalitarian but I probably do advocate for men more readily as it is closer to home. But I do genuinely care about women's issues too (when they are actually women's issues) Many issues that people say are women's issues are really just everyone issues that they have decided to frame as women's issues as they do not give a shit about men who suffer from the same issue. In these cases I tr…
/r/MensRights09/10/24 06:37 PM
1

Exactly. Also like a bear can literally remove your face. Sorry but that is worse than SA. Yes there is a relational component to SA that makes it worse than other things that leave the body more or less intact, but your face being completely removed is clearly worse
/r/MensRights08/10/24 10:05 PM
12

"kept" suggests that it had to be brought to the schools attention multiple times before they did owt 😡
/r/MensRights08/10/24 06:17 PM
2

Mfw women would rather be alone with a bear than with a man Hits me especially hard because I am physically very frail (so the average woman could probably beat me in a fight), I am not at all aggressive (maybe as a consequence of being frail idk) and I'm gay so literally SA is not going to happen. I mean I wouldn't do it to a man either but definitely not to a woman 😭
/r/MensRights08/10/24 06:14 PM
2

I guess if you don't take accountability for your actions your sense of agency is diminished and you might end up feeling like you're an NPC. But because you don't take accountability for your not taking accountability, obviously the feeling of being an NPC must be something that has been thrust upon you ergo men make women NPCs
/r/MensRights08/10/24 06:12 PM
2

Yeah I think that's ridiculous too. When I first commented on this subreddit I hadn't really explored it and when I saw the subreddits banning me I figured it was like how MRA spaces online traditionally were 15 years ago, full of misogyny etc. but having stuck around I was totally wrong. There's the occasional misogynistic comment but it usually gets downvoted. There is more misandry on the average subreddit than there is misogyny here. We just want to be treated as humans
/r/MensRights08/10/24 08:13 AM
2

Im not sure I'm kinda scared that they will become even more institutionalised and essentially get more political power and oppress men. Maybe I'm conscious of this fear because I'm gay so I'm fully aware that in many countries to this day I could be imprisoned or killed for my sexuality and I worry about something similar (although probably less extreme) happening to my gender
/r/MensRights08/10/24 08:06 AM
5

Yet when you bring up relevant men's issues you get told to stop making everything about men 💀
/r/MensRights07/10/24 10:53 PM
1

Yes, women with autism have symptoms of autism, some of which are common in men and women, some of which are less common in men. However many self diagnosed female autistics claim to have a magical variant of "female autism" which is apparently symptomless. These women are not actually autistic but are probably either seeking attention or finding a way to escape accountability
/r/MensRights07/10/24 03:58 PM
10

I would say that if both partners are working then both should contribute but the amount should depend on your salaries. Also if one works longer hours than the other then the one that does fewer hours should do more of the housework.
/r/MensRights07/10/24 12:18 PM
5

They're not the same, I believe in things like tackling homelessness, an issue that affects mostly men. I am not happy with the left's current stance on men but as a poor person voting for the Tories or R*form would be like a turkey voting for Christmas
/r/MensRights07/10/24 07:07 AM
9

Masking is totally a thing but I hate how there's this discourse around "neurodevelopmental disorders are equal opportunity they don't discriminate" like sorry but they are not sentient and there are reasons why they might affect males more. Also the whole "female autism looks different it doesn't have any symptoms of autism" is stupid as well, if it doesn't have any symptoms then it's not a fucking disorder then is it
/r/MensRights07/10/24 12:00 AM
89

Its not just the labour country it's the whole fucking country it's overrun by misandrists and misandry has become institutionalised
/r/MensRights06/10/24 01:02 PM
83

Honestly theyre everywhere, they attack and then complain when you defend yourself or other men, or when you suggest that women should be held accountable for their actions
/r/MensRights05/10/24 09:38 AM
10

Social norms seem to bend around females but crush males under them
/r/MensRights04/10/24 04:47 PM
1

Im a man with BPD which only fully presented once I was in my first relationship (which was with a man) and while I am not proud of my behaviour in that relationship he was a cunt too. I fairly quickly started to take accountability for my behaviour but I guess female borderlines have the privilege of not being forced to do this. Had I not done this and things had therefore continued to escalate I likely would've ended up in prison In my opinion (both my experience and what I understand on a psy…
/r/MensRights29/09/24 12:08 PM
1

Yeah it's this. The overarching issue is that we are not considered as equal humans to women, so my biggest concern is that the longer this goes unaddressed the more rights we will lose x
/r/MensRights29/09/24 12:00 PM
1

Yeah it's this, it's much easier to masturbate without lube if you have a foreskin x
/r/MensRights29/09/24 11:59 AM
46

When I first went to the psychiatrist (UK) I suspected I had borderline personality disorder. I mentioned this and he said it was impossible because I'm a man. I pointed out that only like 75% of people diagnosed with it are women and he just went "exactly" as if I'd just proven his point. When I moved to Spain, I was told I did in fact have it (without me even having mentioned suspecting it) and that it was a fairly severe case at that. Multiple psychiatrists there all agreed that I have it as …
/r/MensRights29/09/24 10:31 AM
16

Right so the pattern of abusers claiming to have been abused is a thing, but: This happens in both genders And some (many) people who claim to have been abused have actually been abused
/r/MensRights29/09/24 09:01 AM
21

Yeah in isolation I think these comments are fine, the problem is that had she been a boy then she would have received no such compassion
/r/MensRights27/09/24 08:12 PM
3

Literally I hate it too but unfortunately the boomers took away our right to escape x
/r/MensRights25/09/24 04:58 PM
27

Yeah and I mean like I think prostitutes should be treated respectfully but generalising from men who use prostitutes to all men is absolutely wild x
/r/MensRights25/09/24 04:12 PM
-1

I suspect that for the first few years of life many children would benefit more from being with the mother rather than with the father, and later on, certainly by adolescence, they would benefit more from being with the father than with the mother. I'm pretty sure this is the case for me at least, but I suspect it could generalise to at least some other people. My parents divorced when I was in high school and when my dad moved out it was horrible, she was an extreme case of a helicopter parent …
/r/MensRights19/09/24 05:57 AM
4

Yeah I've always had women tell me that I get taken more seriously by doctors because I'm a man but I have literally had doctors turn me away when I'm presenting symptoms telling me directly "there's nothing wrong with you you're a healthy young man" to which I replied "bitch please I'm epileptic"
/r/MensRights19/09/24 05:38 AM
3

My understanding (from a psychoanalytic perspective) is that for the first year or so of life, fathers are not particularly important. Mothers teach their babies how to be and how to regulate their emotions, and they are quite passive in their interactions with their children, responding to their emotional needs. Fathers teach their children how to do and how to regulate their behaviour, and they provide a more active form of play that is not based entirely around meeting the child's needs but i…
/r/MensRights16/09/24 08:26 PM
2

Feminists in the UK have been psychotic since 2012
/r/MensRights14/09/24 11:10 AM
1

I don't know for a fact but it sounds totally plausible. Men tend to suffer more severely with ASD, ADHD, schizophrenia, and to an extent bipolar disorder than women. At least in the case of schizophrenia I believe this has something to do with men having less oestrogen, as it is somewhat neuroprotective. This is reflected in the differing age of onset between the sexes: in men it tends to be late teens to early 20s, whereas in women it tends to be mid to late 20s or just after the menopause (wh…
/r/MensRights09/09/24 06:04 AM
2

I don't think it's a sexism thing, but both parties in couples where the woman is older and the man younger seem to get taken the piss out of e.g. Emmanuel Macron and his partner
/r/MensRights09/09/24 05:53 AM
0

Ok I get that point in terms of whether or not something should be allowed in the workplace. But from a more aesthetic point of view a beard is a male version of makeup. But honestly noone cares if someone with a shaved head also has a receding hairline, if anything that's what's expected x
/r/MensRights07/09/24 09:01 PM
0

A hat is not the male equivalent of makeup. That would be a beard. Honestly bald bearded guys are the hottest guys out there, you should lose the hat, shave whatever head hair you have left, and grow a beard x
/r/MensRights07/09/24 08:54 PM
4

The people that are actually deficient in main character energy you don't notice them x
/r/MensRights07/09/24 04:33 PM
11

Kween x
/r/MensRights07/09/24 01:50 PM
31

In primary school (year 2) I had an openly feminist teacher who had all the girls sit on chairs while the boys sat on carpet. The girls would grass on the boys for invented things and the teacher would fly off the handle at the boys for these things they hadn't done while the girls sat at the back nattering away. She called them her guardian angels
/r/MensRights03/09/24 11:29 AM
2

Yeah this. I've had more sexual partners than my older brother but he has a husband, I've never had a boyfriend, recently I went on my first date with someone that wasn't a complete stranger - which I find significant because it meant he already knew me and was still interested. I'm 28. My brother had met his now husband by my age.
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