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BCRE8TVE has gone all over this thread posting links condemning OP for mocking and shaming men... except in those links all she does is say she's not attracted to short ugly men. Do other women shame and bully incels? Absolutely. But what's getting calling out here as "shaming" is literally just agreeing with Blackpill in no cruder language than Blackpillers themselves use.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 06:33 PM
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You're really insecure about your height aren't you? It's clear that getting triggered over your insecurities prevents you from seeing common ground in beliefs. Men have never used colorful or shocking language to express an opinion before? That completely discredits anything they say or any of the logic behind their points? By YOUR logic, RedPill are all misogynists because there are some posts that make statements like that about women. But in kneejerk reacting like that, you miss the message …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 06:27 PM
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Men: Women aren't attracted to short ugly men Incels: Woke BlackPill Truth! Women: Women aren't attracted to short ugly men Incels: Why must you mock and shame us! Sometimes you just need to stop getting so triggered when they are literally agreeing with some of your core principles.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 06:01 PM
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Incels: Women lie to men with the BluePill instead of being honest that looks matter Woman is honest that looks matter Incels: Omg being honest that looks matter is hateful, if you cared about men you'd give me BluePill lies!
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/20 05:13 PM
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I view them more as independent contractors, the way that Uber drivers are. Contractors are a better analogy. Still, contractors have many costs employees don't. 50k/yr salary is equivalent to maybe 65k/yr contracting. Uber's a great example. Uber makes a fortune off low-income people being too dumb to understand how little they're making. Once you account for total operating costs (gas, car maintenance, vehicle depreciation due to mileage on the car, cleaning, liability risk) they make shit. I'…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 11:38 PM
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50k salary is different than being a business owner earning 50k revenue, before expenses. She has no benefits or job security. She has to pay for operating costs, sex toys, maintaining her looks, and other things (like 100% of health insurance). Also that type of work is not something most people can do 40 hours a week 50 weeks a year, due to finite libido and psychological wear-and-tear. If she does it part-time, she earns much less. Her career is short-lived, a few years max, then she's stuck …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 11:23 PM
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would atleast make 200 dollars a day after she streamed consistently for like a month. That's not much money. (for a private contractor, gross before expenses) Wich equals up to 6k a month If she's willing to cam full-time EVERY SINGLE DAY A WEEK, no weekends or breaks. She has to have literally nothing else in her life and feel horny every day and not have periods. But I get why someone with your business model evaluation skills is making low income
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 11:11 PM
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Not all men. Some men. I have standards AND stick by them. I regularly turn down women and sex. It catches them off guard. They don't know how to react. Guess they're not used to the man choosing, they're used to being chased by thirsty male attention. I don't understand why more men don't stick to their standards. Is it porn? Self-discipline and impulse control make it easier to stick to your standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/19 07:27 AM
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You can't see this? I see why men do it, it's just retarded. Person A spites you. In retaliation, you spite Person B. That's not justice, that's being a baby. His kids didn't break any agreement with him. He created lifeforms. He is responsible for them. HE broke the lifelong agreement with his kids, he's the traitor. Right, because hypergamy doesn't care, and why should men? The woman and the kids aren't the same person. Were the kids hypergamous? You blame the kids for the woman's actions. Lol…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/19 01:58 PM
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That's an agreement between him and her. The agreement between him and his children is separate. Fuck her, she can reneg her commitment, why does that justify him reneging on his kids? They weren't part of her agreement breaking, they're helpless innocents caught in the crossfire.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/19 01:47 PM
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Clarify the scenario first. He's doting and wanted to be married. She lost attraction and ditched him. Now he doesn't want any fatherly responsibilities anymore because she kicked him out. Correct? Here's my pill-free logic: He's a father of children before the divorce. After the divorce is he the father of any children? Yes. The divorce didn't change his parental status. He still has biological offspring. Why should his parental responsibilities disappear?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/19 01:44 PM
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I've framed it as the scenario the OP raised. The "oops" baby, or the "of course I want one honey" baby, or the guy who only cares about parenting as long as he's married but doesn't want to be a father after divorce. That was the topic, not all men. If you want a different scenario, change the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/19 01:33 PM
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How creepy are these men to get that reaction? The default assumption is "father" or "family member." Are they a different skin color from the kid? Maybe that would do it, because then it's obvious they're not related.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/19 01:21 PM
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separated fathers where their parental involvement seems contingent on an ongoing relationship with the mother Yeah most people call em "deadbeat dads" From the point above, if mom had access to abortion and really didn’t want to become a mother, she could’ve taken that option. For many women the decision to have a child is contingent on the situation (e.g. does she have a man helping her, does one/both of them have a good-paying job). Otherwise she would abort. When men lie about the situation …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/19 01:11 PM
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The prettier the woman, the less sexual partners she likely had. Overweight women are 10% more likely to have had more sexual partners Any links or data to support these "findings"? If they do have more partners they're probably pump-and-dumped by average guys who are attracted to them but embarassed to be public with a fat girl, not Chad. Are ugly and fat women just naturally prone to being whores or uninterested in committed relationships? Don't discount this possibility. It could be that wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/19 12:49 PM
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Yeah but when she says "I want empathy" that's what she really wants. Close female friends expect the same, if they come to you for empathy. Put 2 and 2 together. Maybe that's what these men want when they say "I want empathy." You're right, you have no obligation to give them empathy, you can ignore them and not reply. But if you say "you're stupid and whiny" don't pretend that's being empathetic to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/19 12:34 PM
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Again, "I can't vouch for what they want." However, when upset women seek empathy from their boyfriends/husbands, the reaction you gave would get him in trouble.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/19 12:19 PM
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You're bad at pronouns. "They", not "I". I can't vouch for what they want. Just pointing out how women react when they want empathy and men do what you describe. Common sense says they probably want a similar reaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/19 10:51 AM
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So these AFCs are entitled millenials who just want to get what they "deserve" without working hard or encountering any opposition or criticism. Now I understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/19 09:44 AM
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Shouldn't you assume the opposite? If they're pressuring you so much they're not getting enough elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/19 09:41 AM
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it doesn't stop being empathy to say "I just think it's stupid and whiney". When the immediate reaction is a criticism, it doesn't come across as empathy. Ever learn anything about Active Listening? You ever tried "empathizing" with criticisms as a man to an upset girlfriend? Lol. It's never received as empathy.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/19 09:35 AM
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Sounds like he asked for only understanding and recognition, which is empathy. If you read angry incel posts, a lot of them time they just want women to agree they're right and acknowledge their frustration instead of deny it or shame them. That's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/19 09:25 AM
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Aren't you old? The bar scene with 20-somethings is different. Older women are more forward when they want sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/19 02:46 AM
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All skinny women are bitches, didn't you learn that in girl camp?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/19 02:40 AM
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He fucked some. But is still insecure. The incel mindset is harder to cure than the N count itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/19 02:34 AM
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You'd think so, yet she couldn't seem to piece together how male long-term thinking vs impulsiveness had anything to do with who becomes attractive for relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/19 02:08 AM
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I think the bottom line is you just look at who a man is today but maybe you've never thought about what it took to grow him from a boy to who he is now, the choices and sacrifices and growth required. Women tend to be really bad at understanding this, which is why so many men don't like taking advice from women and why boys raised by single mothers have lower SES. You know the final product you want, you don't know how a man makes that happen, and the destination is useless to the man without t…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/19 08:53 PM
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How would you know? Men "hold frame" by committing to the lie they have other plates. Haven't you read TRP, the fan-fic forum where men practice perpetuating that lie?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/19 08:34 PM
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How do you think a man attains those things that make him attractive for relationships? It requires long-term thinking skills. Impulsive men without long-term thinking make dumb life choices. Those choices have consequences that leave them unattractive for relationships (prison, unemployed, uneducated, broke, deadbeat, addict). In the same way, these impulsive women with poor long-term thinking skills make life choices that leave them "unattractive for relationships" to a lot of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/19 08:30 PM
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Or he's too low value to get sex any other way, so he pretends to want a relationship to keep getting laid while secretly wishing he could be a PUA.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/19 08:25 PM
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So I know a dude like this LTRed with what I'd consider to be a red-woke woman (she abhors the manosphere but has similar views of sexual dynamics). She fucked 50-100 men and women in her 20s preferring BBC and natural Chads. Now she's settled with a late-blooming beta. He's constantly insecure about her sexual past. To be sensitive to that, she agreed to open up the relationship only for him and let her fuck some of her friends so he could "catch up" a bit. I assume that's what these guys want.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/19 08:21 PM
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But young people aren't know for long term thinking - brains don't fully develop until 25. So why are women expected to have long term thinking skills beyond what men are expected to have? You mean women want to marry a guy who spent his 20s in jail and drug rehab or playing video games on his mom's couch while working night shifts at Walmart, instead of the guy who spent it getting a college degree, building his career, staying out of debt, and staying fit and healthy? What's that, women also s…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/19 08:13 PM
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They don't think women think like men. They expect a woman to be able to drop her own solipsism enough to realize that they don't feel rewarded by it so they won't settle with her under those terms.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/19 08:10 PM
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And if she's telling it to her son, maybe he has those problems and he needs to start there. It's her son, she knows him better than you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/19 01:42 PM
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Hygiene is still a good starting point. Men who don't master it have no chance in the SMP.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/19 01:19 PM
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These studies are pre-Tinder/Bumble and look at millenials but not zoomers. There's other evidence suggesting the SMP in 2018-2019 is different than in 2012.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/19 01:16 PM
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Like most stereotypes, it's based on patterns but doesn't apply to everyone. Young women who travel a lot are broke (unless they come from a trust fund). Big debts. Big spending habits. Unpaid student loans. Travel is expensive. Even if she has a good paying job, she's probably more of a spender than a saver. Then it depends how she travels. Does she just do resorts and organized party tours to get wasted and fuck guys? Does she impulsively travel to run away when something difficult happens, in…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/19 04:00 AM
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Usually enforced by OTHER MEN. Hence my solution: GIVE empathy to other men. HELP men in your community.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 07:06 PM
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This is what happens when you shutdown the incel subs.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 07:01 PM
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So far most replies seem to be "but WAAAH, there's an obstacle, how do I overcome an obstacle?" "someone else failed, trying is pointless" "but they have it easy, I want it easy GIMME GIMME" "talking on reddit is the only effort I want to make, someone else should do the rest" Must be internet passivity, RP soycucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 01:04 PM
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"I can't start Facebook because all funding is already earmarked for Microsoft, Apple and Google". You go solicit new funding and sell your idea until someone bites. There is money in the US alt-right. It helped Trump get in power, and it could be tapped to help men's causes.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 12:42 PM
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Then be strategic. Don't form a men's rights group (which address a wide variety of issues, some of which are perceived as misogynistic, some of which turn off other men). Form a men's shelter. Stick to a simple mission. Accomplish it. More will support that. Will everyone support it? No. Who fucking cares. Have balls and initiative. Use male virtue to conquer this problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 12:24 PM
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For reddit overall. How many visit PPD regularly? How many read this post? How many of those weren't already aware of this issue before? Reddit is full of echo chambers, people selling content to others already aware of it. When has a reddit post last caused major political change and how many users were behind it? The impact of bitching about it on here is miniscule. You're deluded if you think it makes a difference. What would make a difference is if some of you PPD redditors who feel this way…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 12:21 PM
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You think the president showed at some woman's doorstep with a bag of money, then she created it? How do you think organizations get funding? Make a plan for a shelter. Market it. Apply for funding from the government and private groups who might care. Build it. Run it. Keep advocating for it and applying for funding.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 08:38 AM
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Right, but these guys could still solve the problem by creating support organizations for these issues or helping men in their community instead of whining on reddit about how no one is helping. No one is helping because the people who care are whining instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 03:48 AM
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We are society. We are men. Male victims don't get support because other men don't make the effort to support them. They are without help or empathy because of male apathy. Change this. GIVE empathy to male victims. Volunteer to help support them. CREATE and LEAD organizations that help men in need. Male victims will continue to suffer until other men step up to help them.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/19 02:22 AM
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If I accidentally knock a girl up and she wants to abort it, it benefits ME for her to have that right. She's fucking saving the trajectory of my life. I would have been a wagecuck child-support parent. I want her to get that abortion as easily as possible! The harder it is for her to get it, the more likely my life is fucked. You have it backwards. The man and woman already got on the trajectory by having casual sex without birth control/condoms/tube tying and getting knocked up. That's what se…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/19 09:59 PM
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Abortion helps enable you to have sex with more peace of mind. Criminalizing abortions reduces peace of mind for men (or it should unless you're too solipsistic to think properly). Removing abortions directly increases the number of men who are stuck paying for a child they don't want to father.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/19 09:44 PM
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The kneejerk is strong with this one. Grown men are so emotionally mature, must be the frame.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/19 09:27 PM
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It's not that huge. It just appears huge because those Billy-seeking-former-thots saturate the dating market. More than 50% of women marry young. They would register as invisible to a single guy on apps or the bar scene.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/19 09:08 PM
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TRP's progenitors were male dating scene rejects in their 30s and 40s. That's why their counterpart, the 30something former carouseler who now wants to settle down, figures so prominently (and bitterly) in their narrative. This. Those were the most common leftovers in the 30-something dating pool who are still good-looking. The ones who were serious about settling down already did. The former carouselers who want to settle struggle, because they're trying to dramatically change their habits and …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/19 02:33 PM
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False dichotomy. Some women want alpha bux. Some only date betas and do not fuck alphas before (or during). Some marry men when they seem like alphas but then they beta out later in life. Some are both sexually and romantically attracted to "high betas" and want them as husbands without using them for bux and being wild in bed with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/19 02:09 PM
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Sex tourism is even illegal in some places. In the US it's against the law to travel to another country to have sex with a minor (even if age of consent is different there).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/19 11:23 AM
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GenX are not Zoomers, what's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/19 02:26 AM
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TRP's "enjoy the decline" is a very GenX mentality. Millenials are more entitled and like bitching about privilege. Waah females have it so easy. Waah why can't I be Chad?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/19 02:19 AM
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People have sex on travel, people can make money off sex, and people can have legal disputes over cooking. That doesn't make those good places to ask for advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/19 11:36 PM
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That's career advice. Blowing it all on titjobs and crack to get through the day is terrible financial advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/19 11:15 PM
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Interesting. Thanks for sharing your story. So one was casual, the horny housewife English student initiating and showing you the ropes. The other was a long-term girlfriend (who may have wanted a meal ticket to the US). This I can believe. I'm skeptical OP or you would have the skill to go out to a bar and pick up a girl to fuck without any prior skill (traveling doesn't fix that) and in competition with other men, but these situations make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/19 06:29 PM
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Gross, who wants to fuck those people? (I won't even pretend to hide my classism)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/19 06:17 PM
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Interesting. What countries did you go to? How did you get to the point of sex without knowing how to flirt with a woman, escalate sexual tension or have much sexual skill? Were they very low N traditional women? Were these relationships where they hoped you might bring them home?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/19 06:12 PM
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Maybe if he was white. They might think this indocel is from a third world shithole too. I admit I've never tried to fuck locals in a poor country. Don't want their germs. Maybe it's easy AF, especially if you pretend to offer the beta dream.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/19 06:06 PM
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You were a virgin/incel before and got laid a lot traveling?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/19 06:02 PM
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It's not "merely asking how to get laid", but the overall context. Asking for sex advice in a travel sub is like asking for financial advice in a sex sub or asking for legal advice in a cooking sub. There are other non-manosphere subs where men can ask for sex advice. Harsh Truthpill: "Travel" isn't some magic potion granting free sex. If you've never had non-paid sex, never had a girlfriend, and don't know how to get laid in your hometown, you won't get laid traveling either. There's no easy qu…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/19 05:45 PM
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Can you rephrase your question with less incel rage into a coherent thought?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/19 04:58 PM
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And the young women I know aren't. Like I said, depends on who you meet. If your social network is boring, go learn to meet other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/19 04:11 PM
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Got numbers to back that up? Many are, but there are a lot of other women. Depends on who you meet.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/19 04:08 PM
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Not all young women, just the vapid social media addicts. If you're trolling on Tinder, Snap and IG, then that's all you're gonna find because they're on there the most. Drop the apps and meet real people IRL.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/19 03:53 PM
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Ask me out and plan the date? All the time. Ask me out AND pay for both of us? Just a handful of times.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/19 03:19 PM
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Instagram fitness models
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/19 03:15 PM
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Not to sound like a white knight I grade generously
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/19 03:14 PM
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Fuck no. But I also wouldn't fuck anything that moves either. I reject some offers for sex from women. This should be a Q4I (Question for Incels), because it only applies to men desperate enough to fuck anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/19 03:12 PM
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What if going on a monologue about her interest is not her idea of a good date? What is she getting out of it? She's a court jester there to entertain you. How does that help her figure out if she feels chemistry with you? How is it fun for her? Their unwillingness to talk may be a reaction to the structure of your conversation, not the topic itself. Women hate when dates turn into interview-style questions. Don't be that guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/19 03:06 PM
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But why is he going to such extreme efforts to change into something so opposed to his nature so he can learn to not be broken by pursuing a lifestyle that others want to live? Don't be such a sheep. Turning into an "alpha PUA" because others tell him its cool is the most beta thing a guy can do! Why not just embrace the sensitive lifestyle?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/19 01:09 AM
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Why are you trying to be a plate-spinning player if that's not who you are? Because some internet forum told you to and the internet speaks nothing but truth? If you're a sensitive guy who gets attached, prefers deeper emotional connections, and feels heartbroken letting go of someone, why would you ever try to run through 30-50 women? That's just setting yourself up for heartbreak and pain. Know thyself and embrace it. If that's who you are, factor that into your sexual strategy. Don't go on da…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/19 03:19 PM
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Please tell me what specific blood tests you request to get screened for Molluscum contagiosum, Lymphogranuloma venereum, Donovanosis, Mycoplasma genitalium, worms, throat HPV (which can cause cancer in men), or gonnorhea infections in the throat (which is often missed by the usual test for gonnorhea).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/19 04:36 AM
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FYI I'm non-red non-incel, just explaining the other side of the argument. Those manospherians are allowed to see it as a reward. It's a reward to them, you don't get to tell them otherwise. People get to define their own goals and rewards.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/19 04:29 AM
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I literally said the opposite: "There is not an accurate screening blood test/ urine test for all STIs." Neither YOU nor SHE can request to be screened for everything on my list. Go to a doctor and ask.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/19 04:26 AM
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No, the point is you don't get to decide whether it's a reward. If the men receiving it and the men envying them see it as a reward, then they are getting rewarded for that behavior. It doesn't matter if you intended to give him a gold star or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/19 04:23 AM
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It's not about what YOU can request. The original point was about the girl you fuck. She can have a "clean test" still give you something, either because they didn't cover it in her standard test or the incubation period hasn't passed so it didn't show up. High N increases the chances of that. That's a reason to prefer low N. The most common defense to that is "if her test is clean then her history doesn't matter," but the average girl just gets the standard test. Herpes is very common and very …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/19 04:20 AM
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Some quack diagnosed me as a narcissist too, but I dismissed it as BS. My perspective is that women don't like the traits (my exes inevitably leave me for them), but the fruits of them help you get women. Being a narcissist drives you to go out and do things that happen to make you attractive (e.g. preen over image, sell yourself well, become successful in business, collect status symbols). It also makes you go to more effort to seek attention, trying with more women than the average guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/19 07:22 PM
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If she’s sleeping with him, she’s “rewarding” his behavior. From a male perspective, giving him what he wants is a reward, regardless of what her intent was. They don't care if SHE sees it as a reward, or SHE thinks she's rewarding his behavior, SHE consciously values his behavior, or what her own inner reasoning is. They want to be the guy receiving the "reward".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/19 07:15 PM
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When you go to a doctor and ask to be tested, they don't test you for all known communicable diseases. In most places a standard screening is just for gonnorhea, chlamydia, syphilis, HIV, and hepatitis A-C. These tests miss throat infections of the new antibiotic-resistant super-gonnorhea and rectal chlamydia. Some places test for herpes, others you have to request it. They don't test for Molluscum contagiosum, Chancroid, HPV (they don't test men), Lymphogranuloma venereum, Donovanosis, Trichomo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/19 07:00 PM
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Yes. Don't care about small differences on the low end, but high N turns me off for LTRs. Not tradcon, not religious, Democrat. Why? STIs. Standard tests don't screen for all known STIs, so a clean test is no guarantee, and condoms don't protect against all. A slutty past increases the risk she picked up shit they don't test for. More likely to have emotions and sex detached. Studies show that can undermine the ability to sustain a long-term relationship. Says something about personality, lifest…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/19 04:44 AM
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She catches feelings first and I'm enjoying the FWB so I give it a chance, then it goes past FWB and either I hurt her feelings or I catch feelings too and it doesn't work out. I've stupidly repeated that a few times because I don't catch feelings first so I keep thinking I'm in control, but really I need to end it as soon as one person catches feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/19 02:10 AM
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No, at the men who whine about their failures, not the men who try and continually improve and persevere with a positive attitude without whining
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/19 01:40 AM
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Online dating doesn't work out for most guys Plus I'm 60 lbs overweight and quite out of shape. Why do guys like you try to validate their situation by making generalizations about "most guys"? Does it make you feel less bad about yourself if you think the average guy is suffering too and it's hopeless, instead of thinking that you need to lose 60 lbs and take action to do it?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/19 05:29 PM
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By getting a girl on your side do you mean talk a girl into fucking you in the next 30 mins, or just have a conversation with one?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/19 01:14 PM
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It's an attitude towards unsuccessful men who choose to whine instead of choosing a better mindset. You can't control your success or your genes, but the one thing you can choose is what you say about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/19 01:11 PM
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Go whine on the incels sub
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/19 04:16 AM
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It's pretty easy if you have social skills. If you don't, develop them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/19 04:14 AM
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Same difference. They can act as ridiculous as "Nice Guys".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/19 09:36 PM
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It's still flattering to be approached, it's just that you're gonna say no (even to offers for NSA sex right then) so she's going to leave feeling sour about taking that chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/19 09:31 PM
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That guy is low SMV. He's not fat, but his testosterone level is like negative 6. Short, scrawny, pasty, dorky glasses, dopey expression, looks like he spends all day indoors jerking off to video games. Something about his smile and the muscle tension in his face makes him look nervous with zero confidence, and his choice in GF confirms it. If a guy like that was CEO of a tech startup he could pull attractive women, but as an average middle class web developer with those looks and lack of confid…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/19 09:24 PM
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Interesting. What for you would qualify as good enough to fuck but not good enough to be a boyfriend? e.g. hot body but dead end job and asshole personality?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/19 05:38 PM
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Exactly, because they are willing to settle with low value men. Incels could get these women, those lookists just prefer to volcel instead. Obesity is leading to sexlessness by removing women from their dating pool and also making men much less attractive to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/19 05:18 PM
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Incels say they're too good to fuck them, but then whine they fuck Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/19 02:47 AM
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Of course. What do you think it is? TEH FEEMALES REE TOO MUCH POWER Obesity used to be rare or only happen to old people. Youth obesity is at record highs. Humans were not meant to be this fat this young. We are not biologically wired to be attracted to that. Incels refuse to date the landwhales who might actually be available to them, and chubby average men get stuck as beta bux or passed over for hotter guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/19 07:31 PM
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Traditional society enslaved attractive men, who could have been free to fuck around. Traditional society secured partners for ugly men who had no options on the free market. When guys advocate for a return to traditional society, it should be clear which camp they fall in.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/19 07:25 PM
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Downvote which post? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/19 09:26 PM
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I got that, and said I wouldn't want to help/heal her. Did you not understand? When I see a strange adult woman going apeshit in public, I judge her too. You were trying to show some "women are wonderful" whiteknight effect, but women get judged for crazy behavior too. If she was acting aggressive like the short man, I wouldn't bother offering anything. What I said was if she wasn't aggressive but just breaking down and she was someone I knew, then I'd tell her to get therapy, maybe offer a numb…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/19 09:23 PM
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A stranger throwing a fit in public? I don't know her life story (probably childhood trauma, mental illness or drugs, but you never know). To my friend, I'd say something about her being batshit crazy. "Bitches be crazy", "someone needs a chill pill", etc. If I knew her trauma somehow (e.g. she was a friend, or she was talking to me) and she wasn't acting aggressive just unstable, I'd direct her to a counselor, crisis line or women's shelter. No, you would not. You would ache inside wishing you …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/19 07:15 PM
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I assume he means socially liberal, you mean economically liberal. Libertarians are socially liberal capitalists, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 06:52 PM
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Did I say anything about fault? Fuck, elsewhere I drew the analogy to a girl who was repeatedly sexually abused as a child. That's not her fault either, but as an adult it's still her responsibility to get therapy and find ways to emotionally heal so little things don't trigger her. Past trauma is not their fault, but what they do about it today is their responsibility. We can't change reality. Our prerogative is learn to accept it and make the best of whatever hand life dealt us.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 05:42 PM
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Whether or not perceptible mockery of conventionally unattractive people happens after high school. I never disagreed it happens sometimes. I disagree it happens as often as people think it happens to them. There's no way to verify what the other person really meant. He assumes. Meanwhile psychology studies have tried to measure this effect and found people with depressive thoughts overestimate negative intent, i.e. they see mockery even when it's not there. Narcissists also overestimate flirtin…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 03:39 PM
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Results and events don't cause tantrums. Our feelings and reactions to them do. Mindset can change that. CBT works. I think you can trust my observations. You have no relevant observations to trust or distrust. You never observed this guy's life or the smirk those girls gave. You're generalizing from other guys. But I've also observed a lot of insecure people react to body language that had nothing to do with them at all. Both happen regularly. Maybe those girls were never mocking him.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 02:58 PM
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That only leaves you with how many million women in the US? Not all of them? Better rope. I have short (5'4-5'6) male friends with hot girlfriends. The guys had terrible experiences online, did much better in person. Women are pickier about height online than IRL. Some of the girlfriends didn't think they'd date a short guy until they met him.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 02:50 PM
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I guess you need to live life as an average man to understand this. Average men don't get treated like that. Maybe 1/10 incels get that Frankenstein's monster reaction, but they're not average. people still have micro-expression of disgust and contempt toward you Studies show people with low self-esteem and depression make a lot of false positives interpreting neutral expressions/behaviors as negative ones, seeing more malice and contempt than there actually is. That's where therapy does help. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 01:50 PM
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If I smirk at John Doe to suggest that I think he’s ugly and he gets angry A smirk doesn't suggest that, it could mean anything. He's jumping to conclusions, making wild assumptions. If he can't help but do that because of past trauma, he needs therapy to fix that trauma. How hard is that to understand?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 01:29 PM
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It's on any grown adult to get help to fix their issues. A kid who was sexually abused still has an obligation to get therapy to deal with her trauma, even though it wasn't her fault at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 01:26 PM
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Adults are more likely to use body language to say the same thing without feeling guilty or culpable. Yeah that's what I meant, they'll judge you but it's more subtle and not overtly mean. Subtle body language shouldn't hurt a person's feelings as much as open mocking... unless you're hypersensitive to it and triggered because of unresolved past issues. Therapy. exceptionally conventionally unattractive nor targeted by exceptional levels of disdain. That's why those guys need therapy to accompli…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 07:39 AM
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Extroverts watch TV too. Anyone can be a couch potato. You know how many sporty extrovert guys sit on the couch watching football? Says more about the couch potato epidemic than extroversion/introversion. In big cities the restaurant and bar scene is thriving, young people go out a lot more now than 30 years ago. If venues are losing money it's because those hobbies have fallen out of fashion and/or people are broke.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 07:35 AM
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Teenagers are the worst bullies. Most adults can behave like adults. But if he hasn't dealt with his baggage then even "smirks" can trigger him as "mockery". Therapy. Not everyone is gonna like you, you have to detach yourself from that and define your own worth. have figured out how to behave like adults. Do therapy. If you can't
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 07:07 AM
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So what? He looks 40s or 50s. School was 20+ years ago, he had ample time to get over his baggage. Get therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 04:28 AM
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NAMALT. Women smirking doesn't set most men off. Some mentally unstable incels are set off by anything, could be a fucking butterfly flapping its wings in Japan.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 04:25 AM
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Do you not understand metaphors? Let's break this down for you. Woman A says she's disgusted by short guys. Woman B says height doesn't matter. Contradiction? You assume woman B is lying/virtue signalling under the premise that ALL FEMALES MUST THINK THE SAME. If you remove that premise, the most logical explanation is that Woman A hates short guys while Woman B doesn't. Preferences vary. Some women are heightist. Others happily date short men. The heightist women complain about short guys. Some…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 04:03 AM
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Although deadbedrooms are a risk, most men would get even less sex on the casual market than they do in their marriage. A lot of these men are ugly AF or have low T/ED/porn addictions and those factors contribute to the deadbedroom. If they "become alpha enough" to get regular casual sex, chances are their wives would fuck them like that too. Very few men do well at casual sex. Male sexlessness ages 20-35 has increased since marriage rates have dropped.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 03:53 AM
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How can one woman complain about short guys while others say height doesn't matter? It's almost like not all women are the same person.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 03:45 AM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraversion_and_introversion 1/2-2/3 are extroverts.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/19 03:34 AM
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Autists do need to be loners. They need all that alone time to recharge, they can't waste social energy on other menfolk, and other men could AMOG them!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 07:24 PM
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It happens that a lot of Male hobbies are more individually focused (lifting solo, video games, crafts, etc). Oh you mean Male hobbies like football, basketball, soccer, rugby, ice hockey, bowling, golf, MMA, playing in a band, hunting, fishing, woodworking, mountaineering, brewing craft beer... Some are individual, but many are social. You're confusing RedditMaleTM with the normal human male. Reddit is overpopulated with introvert gamer nerds, while most of the human population is extroverted.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 07:14 PM
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Working out doesn't have to be bulking. You still need to lift and eat healthy to maintain muscle mass/tone. My dad benched in his early 60s. Not to bulk, just to maintain. Both my parents do cardio and weights 5 times a week now in late 60s/early 70s. I've done training runs with guys in late 70s. 80s is not off topic. Studies show HUGE differences in health with older people who get regular exercise.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 06:07 PM
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Stopping in your 80s isn't going overboard, it's called having a healthy life habits. Old people who workout live longer. You're confusing hitting the gym with doing extreme crash diets and "beach body" workouts.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 05:57 PM
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Who cares, these are low value people on such an extreme low end of income spectrum they're barely getting by either way. It's irrelevant for anyone middle class or higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 05:41 PM
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There are a lot of different names for stupid, doesn't make it less stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 05:20 PM
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I'm talking about the men. Most men who have children out of wedlock didn't do it on purpose. You think they want to pay child support? They fucked without protection, knocked her up, and she wouldn't get an abortion.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 05:17 PM
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I associate having kids outside of marriage with not valuing yourself. I agree. Most men who want kids want them within marriages too. A lot of men here are anti-marriage ("divorce rape", "hypergamy", "reeee normies!") but also don't want (more) kids. Most children born out of wedlock are a "whoopsie".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 05:04 PM
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No, the answer was "stop in my 80s" not "stop when I look like __". Definitely not try to look like Ryan Gosling a 80. Fitness is a lifelong habit.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 04:57 PM
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How come you can't?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 03:16 PM
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In your 80s? Going to the gym is about fitness, health and long-term maintenance, not a 6-week transformation to look like a celebrity.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 03:03 PM
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Oh yeah I agree. Novelty is attractive. Fucking the same person gets more boring over time, especially as she ages. By "men know they'll have the same issue with every woman", I thought you were gonna say every man will get ditched within 3 months for someone more attractive, female hypergamy, blah blah blah.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 02:35 PM
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I felt the honeymoon phase be over in 3 short months though. Strange, I've never had the honeymoon end in less than 6 months. Usually it's longer. I've seen it go faster with other couples, but I take that as a major red flag they are not compatible. women think the right man will not have an end of honeymoon phase Inexperienced young women do that. They chase the lust. When the honeymoon hormones fade, they think they fell out of love and go chase more lust highs. But women who've had and value…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 02:11 PM
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That's not my experience. Most common outcomes are: fizzles within 1-3 dates (one of you never feels it or you pump and dump her), casual FWB for a few months but you're both fucking others and neither is invested, you date 6-12 months until the honeymoon period ends and you get sick of each other, or LTR. If you get left within 3 months often, you should take a good look at yourself. Looks aren't a problem if she fucked you that long. Was it personality, lifestyle, temper, habits or attitude?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/19 01:42 PM
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All men want sex. But all men don't want sex from all women. Important distinction. Therefore when a man is interacting with you, it doesn't mean he wants sex with you and there may be no manipulation at all. I'm not even sure how women can deny this with a straight face. Must be ego defense... "but I'm so hot everyone wants to fuck me".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/19 02:18 PM
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It's not, that's my point. A lot of guys legit have no hidden agenda. But if you're used to encountering guys with agendas, maybe you just project them onto everyone in your own apprehension/paranoia.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/19 01:46 PM
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I have maybe a dozen close female friends, even more acquaintances. All platonic. I don't want sex from any of them, though they're not ugly. Some even offered me sex and I turn them down, I really do just want their friendship. I pursue other women for sex & relationships, but my friends really are just my friends. I can't be the only guy like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/19 01:40 PM
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NiceGuys want a blowjob. Actual nice people don't. NiceGuys - do nice things and expect BJ Manipulative - use mind games to trick a woman into arousal, to get laid actual nice people - friendly and outgoing. if there's mutual chemistry, they're direct about intentions, but otherwise they're also very content with being friends with no agenda (sexual interest moves on to other women).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/19 01:32 PM
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Depends on the shape of his dick
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/19 04:04 AM
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They get pump-and-dumped but struggle to find happy relationships or get treated with love and respect. They do get more sex than incels though.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/19 11:23 PM
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Evidence: Tinder data OkCupid data government stats showing the rate of young sexless males has shot up in the last 10-15 years BlackPillers and others have made entire subs to document this evidence. I hate their philosophy and mindset, but some of that evidence is legit. There are also anecdotal observations. For example when I look at my average-looking male and female friends in the same social group and SES, most of the males are SOL struggling very hard to get any dates while the women are…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/19 11:19 PM
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I don't know if this applies to you, but passive niceguys commonly can't tell the difference between assertiveness and aggressiveness. They learn from experience that passiveness doesn't work and see non-passive guys succeed, so they think they need to be aggressive assholes, which is complete BS. Bullying might work in school, but assertiveness gets you much farther as an adult.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/19 08:08 PM
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i dont mean some “beastly wildness”. i mean being proactive about your wants So you mean assertiveness, not aggressiveness?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/19 06:56 PM
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Propaganda can motivate fear. Statistics can motivate fear. But those aren't the only sources. People are also scared of things like spiders. Where's the spider propaganda? It's an evolved primal response.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 09:31 PM
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That's not the relevant question; it's if you (or humans in general) are also afraid of other things without stats motivating it? The answer is yes, because fear is a primal response from a different part of the brain than logical reasoning.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 09:27 PM
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Is your sexual desire analytical and based on statistics? That's not how feelings work.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 09:14 PM
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because the risk of a false negative is worse than the risk of a false positive False, but that mindset is everything wrong the current pickup market and why harassment happens. According to you False positive: you just annoy a woman, which is no real skin off his teeth False negative: potentially leaving sex on the table Two things wrong with this mindset. 1) Sociopathy / lack of empathy. 2) Desperation. What's wrong with leaving sex on the table from someone playing hard to get? Will he die wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 08:49 PM
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Some are, sure. The problem lies in the solipsistic flawed thinking: I approached -> it didn't work -> men don't like to be approached. I see women post shit like this all the time. It's an irrational chain of reasoning that needs to be dispelled, because it deters women from taking initiative.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 08:10 PM
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And neither of them are playing hard to get
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 08:04 PM
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Yeah, it's not a perfect science. People make mistakes. I think the feminism backlash comes from the fact that guys were erring on the side of being too aggressive because someone told them "just be more confident bro" or "you can be a PUA too!", so women were getting more aggressive persistent attention than in the past. Guys need practice, but it's better for them to err on the side of missing the odd lay opportunity instead of pushing hard too often. Not only does that risk harassment claims,…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 02:46 PM
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Men devised/labeled a strategy based on biology. It works because of biology. Either men created it or biology created it (inadvertantly through its laws of nature), but attributing it to women is a reach.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 02:37 PM
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I'm sick of seeing this. It's not that at all. When you get approached, there's a 100% chance the other person is interested. When you approach, there's a 100% chance you're interested but the other person's interest is unknown. If he ends up not wanting you, it isn't necessarily because initiating turned him off, it's because you're taking a chance with guys who may not have been into you from the start. This seems to be a foreign concept to women but well understood by men, because we have bee…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 02:08 PM
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Some women are bad at communicating, but most of the time its obvious if she's playing hard to get vs disinterested you look at cues like body language and not just the words.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 02:03 PM
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RP strategy works across cultural norms and preferences Yeah, that's obvious and not much of an insight. It's rooted in biology and evolutionary psychology, not modern culture. Why anyone think those things only work post-2010 in a specific culture? RP works. Your examples support it also worked in other times and cultures too. Ok, so what? I never said otherwise. My comments were about women creating it. By your fringe logic, biology created RP not women, so your claim still doesn't work. Manki…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 02:00 PM
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No, it's because autistic men lack the social skills to know how to make a move in a confident but non-harassing way.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 01:42 PM
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Threads like these make me wonder just how beta you guys were pre-RP to have life experiences like this. It's terrifying for a guy too. Is it? I haven't been afraid of another man in a long time. It would take a psychotic guy with a gun or being badly outnumbered. Even if he's dangerous, he's around the same size, stature and strength. Maybe smaller. Maybe a little bigger. For most women, these guys are significantly bigger and stronger and could overpower her with a sneeze. There's no compariso…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 01:07 PM
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Define "hurt". Physically assaulted? Never. Sexually assaulted? Never. Drugged? Never. Cheated on? Yes. Pump-and-dumped? Yes. Deceived into bed? Yes. Manipulated? Yes. Caused a lot of emotional harm? Yes. Intentionally did something to hurt her feelings to cause her pain? Yes. "Alpha widowed" an ex so much she could never love or trust another man again still 10 years later? Accidentally, yes. I'm not proud of some of the shit I did when I was younger and immature, but it happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 12:45 PM
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Connecting those dots forms the conclusion: RP strategy works. NOT the conclusion "women created RP inadvertantly as a byproduct of their nature". None of those dots/examples support the second conclusion, your OP title. Your argument from one to the next is "because it does". Zero facts, details, science or anecdotes to support the link to women creating it. Why should I spoonfeed you counterevidence when you can't support it in the first place? Your argument is like saying "Apple didn't invent…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 12:10 PM
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Yeah, I already read that thing you quoted before. Still doesn't change the fact your examples don't at all support your central argument. Your post could be paraphased as Women created the red pill. Here's a bunch of shit about how men used RP ideas long before The Red Pill manosphere was created on the internet. Examples and arguments about that. See, it's old! OK bro, so all that stuff I said? Women created that inadvertantly as a byproduct of their nature, here are 0 supporting arguments for…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 05:28 AM
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Women created the Red Pill. Example 1 - male pimp/writer Example 2 - historical male playa, documented by men Example 3 - "humblebrag, I'm Chad teehee!". Well I guess a woman did give birth to you..
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 05:06 AM
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He put them on the same level of the pyramid, but that doesn't imply all needs on one level are exactly equal. The pyramid is just a classification to divide needs into general tiers, not define mathematical equivalences. Food and air are both physiological needs, but your need for food is less urgent than your need for air. They're on the same level but not equal. Ergo the physiological need for sex doesn't have to be as urgent either, even in his outdated framework. Extrapolating,
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 04:46 AM
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Love/relationships is the 3rd level. You can get the purely physiological side (sex) from prostitution or sex toys. Yet that doesn't cure incels. They argue back they want more than that. That's because the whining isn't about a base physiological need. It's about love/approval/female validation/feeling desirable, none of which are physiological needs. And among physiological needs, air and sex are not comparable. Please explain how you instantly drop dead after 1 hour with no sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/19 04:36 AM
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No, it's nothing like that. You will die within minutes without air. It's at the bottom level of Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Sex and a loving relationship can improve your wellbeing and life, but you will not instantly drop dead without it. That means you're able to pursue other goals in the absence of it. Why are you trying to get more $? Just to buy a hotter woman? What about paying for hobbies or vacations or experiences you enjoy? Paying for your own retirement? Do you only do those things …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 01:52 PM
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The first time it just said "Read all the other comments this question has been asked and answered". Sometimes men change (OrangePaisley), but what about the rest? Too often the guy always had red flags, she just missed them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 12:19 PM
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2nd reply because you added more Hint: women aren’t psychic It's not about predicting the future. For the cases I mentioned, the guy had the same problems BEFORE the marriage and baby. She chose to ignore them. Too many people marry only for love/passion without considering important character qualities for a father.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 12:15 PM
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How soon afterwards? It does happen a lot in the first years. But why did she choose a guy who can't stick around for even a few years and let him knock her up? Because he was hot and the sex was good? Because she spends more time thinking about instagram than character and integrity and getting to know the guy she's partnering with for life? Sometimes it's unavoidable (circumstances or mental conditions can pop up later), but most of the time she just married a shitty guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 11:53 AM
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No shit. Sounded like you implied "having a decent body is enough for SOME, but for others only being ripped is enough".
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 11:47 AM
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Why did she let a pregnancy get to term before the marriage was finalized?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 11:44 AM
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There's nothing wrong with wanting to be in better shape. The problem is when a person cannot have a normal level of human confidence without looking like some extreme image ideal. If a man's self-worth depends on being ripped and he feels too cringy to function otherwise, that's the shrink-worthy shit the OP article is talking about..
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 11:34 AM
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I changed the game by going Dutch on dates to avoid "foodie call" women and gold diggers and women who thought her time was worth more than mine. I also avoided SAHM types in favor of career oriented women. I prioritized moral character over looks. How is that changing the game? That is literally the only way I have ever dated since I was young. When you test drive cars to buy, do you test SUVs if you're looking for a pick-up truck? For an engineering job, would you interview someone with a BA i…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 11:04 AM
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Why are you dumb enough to jump from "she rejected me" to "I failed because I didn't approach her fast enough" to "AWALT, women are hard on men for not approaching right away"?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 10:55 AM
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Fuck no. Type A.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 10:28 AM
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The pursuit of hot women is something that's keeping me going. Find another more important goal in life, for the sake of your own well-being. You're putting pussy on a pedestal.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 10:26 AM
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Yeah, that's called body dysmorphia. Looking hot makes anyone more confident, but if a guy doesn't have the confidence to just have a normal conversation unless he looks like a fitness model, he's got a psychological problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/19 10:22 AM
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There's a difference between working out for fitness/health and having an intense regimen with laxatives and steroids and supplements. Those aren't to get healthier, they're for aesthetics. I think everyone should get exercise. But just staying fit takes much less effort than what these guys are doing. I meant all that extra time and energy they're spending (and barely even showing an effect).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/19 06:48 AM
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The majority barely show an effect at first glance despite all that effort. Then what's the point of the effort? Are your efforts effective, or are you just buying into well-marketed products hoping they will give you a competitive edge? Would you get more results with women if you put that same energy into social approaches instead?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/19 06:55 PM
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Causation could be the other way. People with unhealthy image obsessions and eating disorders might be more likely to turn to online dating to get validation for their looks. A quick flip through Tinder shows me a whole lot of women who just finished a fitness challenge, lost weight, and are clearly looking for validation for their new beach bodies.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/19 06:47 PM
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What's the purpose of feminism telling women "all men are potential rapists"? As an objective statement it's offensive to men, but it's an instructive heuristic to spur women to be careful and protect themselves even when the guy seems nice (could be wolf in sheeps clothing).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/19 04:33 PM
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If that's all you have to offer, your body is all they'll ever want. She'll fuck you for your body but she can't fall in love with an empty shell. That's fine if you want casual sex, but if you want more then you need to build something else too. Good luck man, it's not easy but it's worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/19 01:47 PM
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I'm sick of casual sex too. Love is better. The problem is you are needy, incomplete, and probably depressed. That will hold you back from finding healthy loving relationships. You need to work on yourself, your mood, and your perspective. Develop some goals for your own sake. If you aren't an ambitious guy that's fine, but find something you DO want to do for its own sake that isn't about women. Hell it could just be eating the best ribs, bingewatching a TV show, finishing a video games, or try…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/19 01:32 PM
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So it was immaturity and lack of emotional control that turned you off, not just the act of crying, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/19 09:34 PM
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How does the stubble rub against her face that much? Is his dick in her mouth?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/19 09:30 PM
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Do you think that women getting married and pregnant at 29 is good thing, bad thing, or it doesnt matter? Science thinks getting pregnant in 30s is a bad thing. Increased risk of breast cancer. Increased risk of birth defects. I don't think there's anything morally wrong with it, but someone who values kids and families should try to settle earlier for the sake of their kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/19 09:25 PM
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Surprisingly yes. A few ex-gfs threw hissy fits when I wouldn't come home with them after the end of the night to fuck them on a date night (especially if there was an established pattern that I normally would). Some got more aggressive with nonconsensual touch to try to "seduce me". Others would play the guilt game with emotional blackmail. Surprisingly these were all feminists with strong opinions on enthusiastic consent. Women get butthurt and entitled to sex too. It's just from partners they…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/19 03:44 PM
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Proved you wrong, or disagreed? I'd like to see this "proof".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/19 12:19 AM
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Murder is worse. Death is final.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/19 12:07 AM
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Turing test or not, the point is that an observer failing to distinguish between a robot and a human doesn't make the human a robot. I referenced the Turing test because he knew robots and humans would always be fundamentally different, and therefore the relevant question was not to ask if they are the same but if a robot could "pass".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 11:52 PM
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Is that some kind of video game or nerd culture thing you expect me to know about? Robots passing the Turing test doesn't make humans robots.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 10:43 PM
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Spergs?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 10:38 PM
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What kind of cuck wants to fuck a robot?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/19 10:24 PM
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Ok, you're getting triggered and misinterpreting. There are two separate issues here. First, you have a concern you want to discuss and bounce ideas. Great. Then you also stated you have deeper insecurities and whininess holding you back. One is a conversation topic, the other is a general mindset. Forum discussion is great for the first part but won't fix the second. Like you said, the theoretical notion of "being in the moment" won't be enough for you to quash those persistent insecurities. It…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 10:58 PM
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See above Go to therapy. Fix your mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 10:42 PM
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how can I reconcile the idea that if I was who am now, I wouldn’t even be on this persons radar? I couldn't get laid as a 12 year old. Why would I care about that if I can get laid now? What does the past have to do with it? Sex is an "in the moment" thing. For reference I’m early twenties, overweight south Asian Hit the gym. Eat less curry, and eat more vegetables. However the emotional, incessant crying baby part of my mentality Go to therapy. Fix your mindset. everything will be alright Every…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 10:33 PM
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100% agree. Doesn't even have to be Chads, just guys who are taken or who don't struggle to get laid. A female friend recently bitched to me about how all these guys she thought were kind respectful friends eventually pulled NiceGuy shit. She's so happy I'm actually her friend. The truth? I have no interest in fucking her. I get enough sex from my partner, and if that ended I have hotter options. With sexual tension out of the picture, it's easy for me to be an actual friend without regrets or f…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 08:07 PM
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but...this SO rarely happens. ?? If it doesn't happen, I don't ask for a second date. Sometimes it doesn't happen, I ghost, then she gets impatient and asks me on a second date, so I'll go. But if I don't see some investment from her (either acting like that or asking me out), I don't bother. Have some self-respect and set your standards higher. I sometimes feel like actual competence and ability are not appreciated ... I think that's basically where I'm at, but sometimes I think making things i…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 05:16 AM
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This is my experience dating too: Women want you to listen, to things you could not possibly find interesting. It hasn't been my experience. Women who blab forever about minute details to some men will act differently with other men: STFU, listen attentively, pretend to find his jokes funny, say she likes things he likes. I've seen this all the time. It has to do with the power dynamic: who is trying to impress who. If she's trying to impress you, she'll be trying her hardest to hide her boring …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 04:43 AM
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If you want to get who you want, what are you offering in return? Doesn't have to be money or marriage though. Often other things are enough, e.g. passion, good sex (for her), emotional intimacy, deep connection, excitement/thrills. It just means any interpersonal interaction has to have some degree of reciprocity. You won't get a harem of young sex slaves who do whatever you want whenever you want while never having needs or desires of their own. If you're looking for free prostitutes, maybe yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 04:21 AM
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dating for men involves a large investment of time, energy, and money. Then you're doing it wrong. As a non-RP person I gotta say this: the rest of the world doesn't all think men need to buy sex through traditional "courting". RP seems to think the rest of the world all thinks stuff like that. I'd call that stuff pre-RP (what RP guys used to foolishly believe before) rather than BluePill/PurplePill (non-RP guys may never have thought those things ever, hence never seen a need for RP).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 03:34 AM
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It's never been a problem before. Then again according to you we're ALL high value Chads lol
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 03:04 AM
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If she is beautiful, 70% chance she has AIDS.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 02:58 AM
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Why would I want a third world woman when I can get better first world women?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 02:57 AM
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The comments that said "how painful can sex be?" kind of infuriated me. I don't get why guys ask this. Go to prison and drop the soap.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 02:56 AM
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I don't have problems getting laid Bro, I beg to differ if this is a regular phenomenon for you... really bad kisser, smoker with terrible breath, lying there passively instead of participating Sounds like a mix of low value bar trash, femcels, or depressed women not that into you just looking for validation
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 02:43 AM
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Value is relative to your peers (e.g. alpha of the pack). First world women compare among their available options, not to hypothetic starving African lepers.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/19 02:40 AM
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Men are exposed to constant images of the sexiest women in the world through these movies, porn, video games, all the rest.... and it’s shown as so easy! Men are also exposed to characters with superpowers, CGI monsters, vampires that sparkle, a British spy who's stayed the same age for 70 years, teens who can just break into synchronized dancing without prior choreography, and thousands of people who mysteriously never go to the bathroom. So what? Didn't anyone tell you movies are fiction? Why …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/19 06:15 PM
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You're only measuring effort in terms of hours worked at a job. I mean less effort in other areas like self-maintenance and growing up. High rates of physical inactivity, youth obesity and poor grooming. Also a prolonged adolescence, struggles/whining about basic "adulting", delays becoming independent and taking responsibility, generally less grit and emotional resilience. That's a big part of why a lot of today's men are seen as less masculine and unattractive, and telling them to be more auth…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/19 02:03 PM
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Who says I'm whining? I was explaining why the advice isn't useful anymore: today's men are different. It was part of a logical argument, nothing more. You're stuck on the "OMG he criticized men" and missing the point. Don't get so triggered.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/19 01:20 AM
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The context in PPD is "just be yourself" is bad bluepill advice for men. It was good advice in a different time. Social context changed. For today's men, it's bad advice because the obstacles faced by today's men are different. Why are you so triggered over men not meeting your standards? I'm not? I love that there's less competition from my peers. Easy wins for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/19 01:08 AM
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Because the topic was ineffective advice given to young men. Young men today are different. That's completely relevant. How triggered are you that every reply has to be "but them too!"
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/19 12:52 AM
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It was great advice in a different social context - the past - when it was much more common for people to be tryhard phonies to fake social class and impress others. When people try too hard, "just be yourself" is good advice. The problem is today's context is the opposite. Most young guys don't try hard enough. They were raised with too much comfort and convenience, no standards, no discipline, no expectations, no work ethic.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/19 08:28 PM
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Then those aren't the women I'm talking about obviously. Learn to think. I know hot women who constantly turned down college varsity athletes at bars. They really were turned off by jocks. That doesn't mean they fucked betas. They went for coke dealers or guys in bands. "Alpha" and "jock" aren't the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/19 08:09 PM
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Obviously this is a home-run with women when you combine it with great looks. No, I know a ton of women who are really turned off by jocks. It's not the "jockish demeanor" that's attractive. It's cocky-confidence, social status and courage. There's often an overlap, especially in US high schools where football/cheerleader culture is heavily engrained. But non-jocks have those traits too. Some jocks also come across loud, boorish, dumb, crude, immature, uncalibrated, boring, unoriginal, or too ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/19 02:10 PM
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I was referring to your slight about women not wanting me. It was a general statement about all men, restating what a higher comment said, not a personal attack. That was unnecessary and hostile. Hence my "if you got butthurt, then" comment... Clearly your ego got too offended to see anything beyond a personal attack. You should just get that chip off your shoulder. And what's the chip on my shoulder about? Maybe you thought I was bitter because women haven't hit on me (if you interpreted my com…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 09:16 PM
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Chip from being hit on too often? Doesn't even make sense. If my comment butthurt you, maybe you need to chill. Just matter-of-fact refuting that women "approaching" is signalling openness but not actual approaching. Women signal openness more often, yes. But many approach. Cold approaches (e.g. on the street, coffee shop) are very rare, but approaches within a social context (e.g. party, class, work event, social event) or drunk (party, bar, club) are much more common.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/19 07:55 PM
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Your response was they conclude that by listening to her words instead of her actions. My counterpoint is that her words don't even say that either. It's not from listening to her words, because she never said it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 04:18 AM
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"I just want a nice guy" does not mean "I'm sexually attracted to niceness". You get that, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 02:50 AM
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And where does your quote include anything about sexual attraction, or sexual attraction to niceness? What assumptions have you added to her statement?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 02:27 AM
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Link an example of this trope then. For now, here's a link showing the opposite. Her satisfaction's correlated with her perception the man is trying to understand her feelings, not whether he accurately guesses the details. She craves behaviors that display of empathy (e.g. active listening), not actual mind-reading. https://www.eharmony.com/blog/mind-reading-yes-women-want-it-heres-why-you-should-try/#.XFjjY2l7nX4
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 01:32 AM
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Just because your ex was crazy doesn't mean it happens often. Thanks for your life story though. The trope is usually about reading her mood, not her snapping even after you read the body language right.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 01:08 AM
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I've just never seen that happen in 18 years of LTRs/hookups/dating. Usually the expectation is just to read her mood and respond to that. That said, people of any gender can be unreasonable and crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 01:01 AM
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NAWALT. Most are happy if you notice and take initiative to open lines of communication. It does help to address the mood first (comfort her), then ask after. Leading with "what's wrong" can come across as "I don't know what the fuck to do, help me".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/19 12:57 AM
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No, women do approach. If you're not aware of that, you're just not one of the men they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 11:39 PM
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I think what's more impactful is that modern women have made it abundantly clear that they don't like being approached No they haven't. Many love it. They just don't want to be approached persistently by guys they don't want, especially ones with poor social calibration. The guys you want to date are the ones who are being made hesitant. You want a guy who's respectful, but nowadays a respectful guy isn't going to be comfortable approaching you on most occasions. False. You've divided guys into …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 11:35 PM
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Women never say they're sexually attracted to niceness. They didn't even listen to what she said properly.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 10:50 PM
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IOIs = physical signals of sexual arousal. When normies (women, BluePill, nonpill) expect you guys to do what you call "reading her mind", it's really just reading physical signals of her emotional state. Both are using body language, verbal cues, and behavior to guess at what's going on inside. Both involve some guesswork and errors. The only difference is one's for attraction and the other's for emotions. Reading the emotion ones isn't inherently any crazier. You guys are just worse/retarded a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/19 10:46 PM
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Sure they can, especially with child support on top. Millions of families do it. Oh you mean support at the same standard of living, because she's a higher class than the other people doing it and shouldn't have to live like those filthy plebians and colored people?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 10:22 PM
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I haven't seen one person say she shouldn't get a job. What they're saying is she may not be able to get a job right away And I'm not saying he should never clean for himself. I'm saying he's might really suck at first, may incur some costs to get through that transition, and that should be factored into the calculations. If she needs a grace period to get on her feet, why doesn't he? It's not brain surgery. Neither is waiting tables or serving coffee. She can't immediately get a job, get on her…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 10:18 PM
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Yeah, I just think it's an interesting and valid argument that should be used more. Her SAHM contribution has economic value; the loss of it equates to an economic loss. I'm not saying the guy should get meal-support rehabilitation payments, but he may incur a financial loss paying for services to fill the void of her contribution. That is financially rehabilitative, and it affects his financial ability to pay alimony. If the dude can't work without a cleaning lady and takeout food to replace hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 10:06 PM
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It's easy because you've cleaned before and know how to clean. It's easy for me too, because I've done it a lot. Skills come with practice and experience. What about some guy who's never done it before in his life because he married a SAHM at 20? He's supposed to learn from scratch, while depressed about the divorce and working full-time and paying to support her?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 10:00 PM
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It depends on his other skills, though, and his dependence on her contribution to the marriage. Even if he wasn't co-dependent, yes absolutely it's always a loss because two households cost more than sharing. Yet it's possible he was as dependent on her homemaking as she was on him for finances. Because she was dependent, she's entitled to financial support to help her survive afterwards without him. He's just left with a big void, even though he may have been as dependent or more on her (non-fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 09:55 PM
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If he had a SAHM, he's not going to be taking care of himself. Also learning to do it from scratch late in life is rough. It takes time to master it. Yet you argue he's expected to learn and do it immediately, no grace period to get on his feet, and cope with the trauma of a divorce too all because he's a grown man. So why can't she learn to get a job and take care of herself too? She's not a grown woman? Or is your argument that women are less capable than men?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 09:34 PM
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Arguably his financial ability is reduced if he no longer has her homemaker services (example: he can't cook and clean for himself and never did before). He would have to hire a maid to replace her labor, which reduces his disposable income. His ability to pay is reduced by not having her contribution to the home, so he can only pay out of what's left.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 09:25 PM
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Guys claiming to have 50 partners but think that women can orgasm from the butt. Very plausible. You think the guys pumping and dumping Tinder ONS and drunk hookups know jackshit about how to get a woman off, or even care about that? Or that the women aren't faking? Men gain much less sexual skill from meaningless hookups than regular partners, where there's an actual chance to experiment with feedback. Guys who claim to have 100 partners at age 27 but need advice about their "girlfriend" Common…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 01:33 AM
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There's not much incentive to lie. Who are they impressing? Random autists on the internet for karma? Blackpillers flaunt their virginity. Redpillers gladly share their early-in-life romantic failures as reasons they embraced TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/19 01:05 AM
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A study done by this group (and many other studies) correlated social media use with mental health issues. People who used Instagram and Facebook more were less happy. https://www.rsph.org.uk/our-work/campaigns/status-of-mind.html This article is anecdotal but shows a large Twitter response of people admitting they post social media pics showing they're happy when they're actually unhappy: https://qz.com/1326806/the-ultimate-proof-that-looking-happy-on-social-media-often-masks-real-pain/
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/19 11:59 PM
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Studies show the couples that look happiest on social media are more likely to be depressed and unhappy IRL
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/19 11:32 PM
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who is it to say that is not bias against the audience that wants to read it? You'll find studies based on everything and also it's opposing views - so for topics like this, I chose to go with my lived experiences Who's to say your lived experience is less biased? It may not be an intentional bias, but it is still extremely biased. Even if you're extremely social and outgoing, you only know a very small sector of the population. Less than 0.001% of the US population (if you live in the US), even…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/19 02:30 AM
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I disagree. High-value people I know are no less willing to try. People don't just try when they're bored and have nothing else to do. Booze was always around. Modern technology and drugs are just copes/excuses for people who would have wanted to stagnate in past societies too.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/19 01:00 AM
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I still don't buy the high N women are less likely to be faithful.. honestly, I don't. Look at any studies or data on N count vs cheating and N count vs divorce rate. They get posted here often. They cover a far broader group than the few people you've anecdotally shared stories with. Psychologists consider past behavior the best predictor of future behavior. People try to change their habits and settle down, but it's not easy. What they want to be and what they do are not the same. Once life st…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/19 12:57 AM
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will men with reasonable access to the sexual market voluntarily forego it? No. This is anecdotal, but the ones I know have not. They're either enjoying casual sex or in LTRs. Others are forgoing it - some perhaps convincing themselves it's voluntary - but they're not attractive. None of them would actually have reasonable access unless they did a lot of self-improvement. Maybe they're "voluntarily forgoing" the effort because they're lazy?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 11:52 PM
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If you found a girl who slept with 20 dudes but was down to have sex with you on the first date, do all the nasty things she did before Most TRPers want high N women... for casual sex. Who do you think they're plating? A woman with low N would not do that as easily. and be loyal/faithful to you That's the part they don't trust. Statistically, they're right. High N women are less likely to be faithful and less likely to be able to sustain a marriage. She might think she can, but that doesn't guar…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 10:59 PM
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for every "good man" there are like 3-5 " good women" What's a "good woman"? Since you defined the bar for men, you'd have to let men define that bar for women for a fair comparison. I doubt that many would meet it. One reason so many men sleep around is because the women they meet pass "good enough to fuck" but not "good enough to marry". I know SO MANY women who meet the above criteria, that it is unbelievable. Men and women want different things. It's unreasonable to apply the same standard. …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/19 09:46 PM
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It's only a "gotcha" in that "be yourself" is not inherently bad advice. If you're a fun interesting sexy person, "be yourself" is damn good advice. If you're a woman trying to find a fun interesting sexy guy and weed out losers, she wants you to be yourself. That maxim is good for everyone except losers.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/19 03:07 PM
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“Being yourself” as a man usually means being a loser This is bullshit. It only means that if you're already a loser, because then it means to keep being a loser. It's fine for everyone else. Big surprise, the guys who whine about that advice are losers.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/19 02:47 PM
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the female orgasm is preparatory, not culminatory. Treating it like this has paid many dividends over the years. Go down on her first, get her off, then she's slippery AF and willing to do whatever I want.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/19 03:38 AM
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Yeah, but its always portrayed as for true love, and the rise in class is seemingly incidental. You'd need TRP to understand what was really going on. Or less autism. In the fairy tales, it's always a "handsome prince", not an "average commoner".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/19 01:34 AM
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Lol at anyone on TRP being a Chad. I'm describing RP's ideal for alpha males. Quote me where TRP tells men to get married, have kids and start families.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/19 01:08 AM
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He's focusing too much on sex and relationships (short-term reward) and not enough on overall development. Because let's face it, if he's a fit social 35 year old virgin, unless he's severely autistic or a leper or his face was disfigured in a car accident, there are some major deficits he needs to work on. If he really works on those areas, relationships will be easier to attain down the line. But if he keeps fixating on his inability to get relationships TODAY and his past failures, he'll keep…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/19 01:05 AM
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Notice the "or" either don't have children (condom, vasectomy) or leave behind a wake of baby mamas High SES plate-spinners do the first one. The point is they stay bachelors and avoid marriage/fatherhood ("wage cuck", "divorce rape", "beta bux").
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/19 12:42 AM
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That's how TRP advocates men to be alpha. It's all PUA and plate-spinning casual sex, not commiting or providing for a family. What do you consider alpha?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/19 08:45 PM
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Why would I date traditionalists? They're so rare. Most attractive young women are feminists. RP/MGTOW/incels are cucking themselves with traditionalism. Sex-positive liberal feminists will actually approach you, ask you out, pay for herself (and sometimes you), and then put out early. Some will even let you fuck other women, or will help you bring home other women to share. For young guys who just want to fuck around, it could not be easier. No need for PUA. If these guys need to master "game" …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/19 07:56 PM
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He doesn't provide. He's hot and turns her on, appeals to her animal desires. She fucks him but doesn't marry him. She marries the beta bux to have a provider. From what I understand, according to RP alphas either don't have children (condom, vasectomy) or leave behind a wake of baby mamas with unpaid child support while getting more notches on their belt.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/19 07:50 PM
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I never had to ask. They offered. Seems to be the norm for at least the last 5 years. What's your Age/Sex/Sexual Preference/Marital Status? If you're gay or old and married, your opinion might be coming from different cultural norms.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/19 07:33 PM
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I'm not RP, but I thought beta was the provider (beta bux). Providing is the primary value given by the beta male. Alphas may provide for their family as a side benefit to being strong and successful, but that's not the main thing they offer. Male-as-a-provider is considered a beta role.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/19 07:30 PM
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If you're appealing to traditional etiquette, shouldn't you stop debating with men and go back to the kitchen? Oh, woman are empowered and can hold their own with men? I agree... so why won't her wallet too?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/19 07:26 PM
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Fuck that. I go 50/50. Sometimes I even got the girl to pay 100% on the first date.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/19 07:19 PM
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yet more people agree with my reality than with yours so Id have to say that yours is the fantasy, especially when you consider that the story you paint is beautiful And what have you falsely assumed is my reality? All I said was that you can't "validate" or "double check" their comments. The notion that double checking someone else's experience against your own doesn't validate or invalidate it is "beautiful" and "a fantasy"?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 02:49 AM
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If you have or have not experienced them, that doesn't validate them. Your experience is just your experience, it's not some objective "reality". Why should you take your own experience at face value as being anything more than just your limited life experience? It's no more or less real than the PPD woman's comment. Maybe she's lying. Maybe you're inexperienced/sheltered and missing out on common things in the world that most other people see. The two things contradicting each other doesn't mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 02:24 AM
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How do you double check their comment? Unless they've made a statistical claim and you have some relevant scientific study, you can't validate it against reality. Do you mean validate their experiences against your own subjective experiences? That's not reality bro. That's solipsism.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 02:11 AM
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Of course you'd rather an expert criminal defense lawyer over some prosecutor (incentive to lie, different perspective). The original topic was incels being the least reliable source. If you wouldn't hire the dropout/incel, you've not disproven my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/18 02:05 AM
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Like I said, feel free to hire the dropout when you're in court (to consult you on how to defend yourself, since he couldn't act as your defense lawyer). People do learn from failures, but it would be dumb AF. Holy shit, this is why RedPill and BlackPill freak out about getting convicted of false rape accusations. It's a valid fear... using your philosophy, you WOULD lose.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 11:08 PM
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Well teh frat thing here has been contested by people. Contested how? Frat parties are make-believe, they don't really exist? Or people don't hook up at frat parties? I've both done it and seen others do it often. Mix hot young people with booze and drugs... why is anyone surprised casual sex happens?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 11:00 PM
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So you would hire the guy who tried but flunked out of law school over and over? Hope you don't drop the soap. Remember, the topic is why would anyone listen to an incel about this
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 10:54 PM
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I'm just paraphrasing what YOU said. In your own words the PPD Women are just showing counterexamples exist (i.e. NAWALT). The words you used are not arguing that MOST women do not like attractive financially stable men. If you meant to say PPD women are arguing MOST women don't like attractive financially stable men, your comment does it very poorly. Consider rewording. If you really can't tell the difference... well that explains a hell of a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 10:49 PM
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Of course, but backpack-banging trips are just one example, not the only way guys might fuck dozens of women. Frat parties. Clubs. Raves. Rock concerts. Tinder. 30 isn't outrageous and doesn't imply mental issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 10:26 PM
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How is that a disagreement? This is what you're saying.. Red Pill: generalized heuristic PPD Women: exceptions to the rule exist
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 10:18 PM
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A retired lawyer still knows more about the law than the homeless guy who never went to law school and never practiced a day in his life
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 09:54 PM
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So they can either use it to confirm their biases, proof ARALT accuse you of lying because it doesn't fit their ideology Don't you know that words are either evidence of their ideology or lies?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 09:45 PM
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You mean you don't get legal advice from homeless guys on the street instead of a lawyer?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/18 09:41 PM
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Has anyone asked?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 06:28 PM
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With about 90% less autism
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/18 05:53 PM
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im not the one who called u slow <3 LOL, I'm too lazy to check post history. Why did you answer my question to him then? Feminists, at least some of them. Not most of them. Can you quote me one who is? More likely guys are misinterpreting what was meant. Check my point about athletes, for example. It's trivially easy to show men and women don't have all equal capabilities in all areas. BUT women can still be equal and empowered despite not having identical capabilities in all areas.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/18 04:36 AM
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Right, so my earlier comment already answers this. If you didn't get that, you shouldn't be calling me the "slow" one... Check your premise. It's a strawman. Who's claiming women have the same capabilities as men? Feminists aren't arguing that elite female marathoners can run faster than elite male marathoners, or that the average woman can deadlift more than the average man. Men and women are not equally capable in all areas. Women beat men in other areas (e.g. lower rates of autism and mental …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/18 04:22 AM
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Ok, I'll play your game. Explain what you think the question implies that I'm supposedly missing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/18 01:41 AM
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Nobody felt threatened. People mock bad questions, because most non-autists don't want to waste time defending why 2+2=4. OP probably misunderstood context to result in this question about a strawman nobody was arguing. Feminists don't claim men and women are carbon copies with exactly identical attributes. "Equal but different". With differences, oppression can exist, yet that doesn't contradict equality. OP failed to present a case why one contradicts the other. He needs to check his premises,…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/18 09:27 PM
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They aren't. Women, on average, lack the autism to ask questions like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/18 08:03 PM
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I used to have a "work wife". Thought it was playful and harmless. Turned out she wanted to bone (I didn't harass her; I was platonic and she came on to me repeatedly). The other office hookups came on to me too. With some married colleagues, I thought our flirty friendships were harmless, but they got dangerously close to affair territory. After all this, I'm done with office hookups. Post-metoo I won't even do "work spouse" or work flirting, even if she initiates it. That line between Harmless…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/18 07:58 PM
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Probably. Doesn't mean it's not out there. Parents really need to make an effort to introduce their kids to good role models (especially single mothers). Still, at some point you're an adult and it becomes your own responsibility to fix your life. It's never too late to seek out mentors.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/18 03:15 PM
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there is no assertive training. Training in assertiveness comes from positive male role models. If your father wasn't a loser or you had a good coach (or some other mentor), boys learn assertiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/18 03:07 PM
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I know they are threesomes. But still. She puts a roof over his head and food on his table and he also gets to fuck a bunch of women. This is insane. If he was getting cucked it would be somewhat fair. They're threesomes, so it is fair. She's involved too. She also gets to fuck the other women. Presumably she's into women too, so it's a good deal for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/18 05:48 AM
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he would be spending money on her in some form, whether it be dinner/food, gas/fuel, rent and bills (if living together), gifts, household necessities, etc. Depends how you define "spending money on her". If you always go dutch, split household expenses and gas bills, and spend about the same buying each other gifts, then most people would not consider that spending money on her. She's spending as much on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 11:08 PM
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I'm looking for the truth If so, you're doing a bad job of it, using leading questions and ignoring previously-stated evidence. She already said he's a Chad above, but you choose to ignore that and claim he's ugly? Sounds like someone looking for confirmation bias, not the truth. Okay, what's stopping a single male and a single female who are both close friends from entering a romantic relationship BESIDES physical attraction? Emotions. Lifestyle compatibility. Sexual kink compatibility. It take…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 08:42 PM
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comes accross like you're trying to find another way of saying "he's unattractiveU+gly" without ACTUALLY saying it. That's the BlackPill party line so you're looking for any excuse to see it, but above she said "most people here would probably consider him a Chad". It's not his looks. "I doubt it's his personality" doesn't mean "it's his looks". False dichotomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 08:06 PM
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Men who can get laid: yes. I think it's only the sex-starved low value males who feel tension with
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 08:03 PM
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Called you autistic 0 times. Don't agree with your point, just mocking the validity of the NotAll___ argument. So... you're saying you agree that's why women lie, not to project some pure image? Cool, proved my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 07:58 PM
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Yeah but you sexually disgust both men and women...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 07:52 PM
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Bullshit. Most LGBTQ people consider sexuality on a spectrum, not a binary "gay" vs "straight". Someone might identify as a gay male or lesbian female without being exclusively into the same sex. She's somewhere on the spectrum, but chooses to identify as "lesbian" so other women will see her as LTR material (if she's "bisexual", she might want to fuck a penis later!). Being bisexual doesn't mean they're sick of players or unwilling to betabux. When they complain about past men, it's usually par…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 07:49 PM
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How autistic does a person have to be to not realize my comment did not mean 100% of times with 100% of women. Of course both men and women can be babies, and sometimes women can flip out too. Thanks, NotAllWomen campaign for stripping all context and insisting on a caveat neurotypicals already take as "common sense". To play your own game... "Bro, women aren't a block. Women aren't all trying to preserve an image as pure beings with every action and word they make. Men lie to seem kinder too. S…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/18 07:33 PM
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If you look at what women complain about guys doing, whether it's NiceGuys or harassment, most of it is about men flipping out. Manchildren cannot control their emotions. They flip out and have temper tantrums when they hear something they don't like. Women hate it, are terrified of it, and go to great lengths to avoid it. That explains most female lying. It's a defense mechanism for survival.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/18 08:50 PM
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I would make sure to save texts that imply she wanted sex if I was still in college. Why? That doesn't prove consent. She can revoke consent between the text and when sex happens. If she's out to get you, those texts won't stop her. She can easily ruin your reputation. ANY precaution you take presupposes the fact that there is something to fear. You’re just digging yourself a deeper hole here. Applying common sense as a habit because something has risks is different than fearing something. For e…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/18 03:35 AM
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It’s obvious that you should use a seatbelt to decrease the risk of dying. It's also obvious you can decrease your risk of dying by not strangling yourself to death. You're resorting to autist-level pedantry here. Aside from doing the things basic common sense already dictates, there's nothing you can do to reduce your risk of death (even though it's still not 0). Some people are still afraid of flying, so they avoid flights or panic on them. That fear is irrational. After already applying basic…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/18 03:20 AM
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Your OP question was "do you believe false accusations are a legitimate fear for men?". This question is usually posed in the context of whether men should avoid hitting on / approaching / dating / asking out women because of the MeToo risk. If you meant "should men take precautions now?", maybe you should ask that more explicitly in the OP. Everyone should take precautions interacting with strangers, but there's no need for additional precautions now that wouldn't have also been wise before, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/18 02:41 AM
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You have low IQ if you don't see how my argument already addressed that. The probability of the catastrophic event doesn't really change whether you're dating or not. A sociopath out to ruin you with lies will ruin you with lies even if you're just some rival in her class and never went on a date. You can't prevent the rare catastrophic event, so you might as well date.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/18 02:18 AM
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No. If you have normie-level EQ, it's easy AF to navigate dating without worrying about your flirting being seen as harassment or sex being seen as rape. Some female sociopaths will exploit the law to falsely accuse men for selfish gain or spiteful reasons, but if that was her goal she could lie about you even if you didn't do anything with her. Therefore it's no reason to fear dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/18 02:02 AM
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It depends on how you define "respect". Do more than 0 people openly say mean things about us? Yeah. Do we, in spite of mean things said, still get advantages in the job market, business deals, police assessments, politics and other stuff? Yeah. You're like that kid in school who feels victimized and bullied because of one thing one kid said one time. People talk shit about other people. I guarantee you anyone in your high school, no matter how popular and high status, had bad shit said about th…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/18 01:33 AM
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teaching some noobs to our mutual online game ... raid boss ... kept talking over me in my own discord server Sounds like a low value male. Kicking and screaming online "OMG WHY ARENT YOU LISTENING TO ME SO MUCH DISRESPEKT U BITCH" when you downplay their achievements ime some don't cope well I've noticed that more as millenial problem. Some of these guys were told they were special perfect flowers their whole lives and are incapable of feeling respected when they don't get a trophy for showing …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/18 01:25 AM
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Why not just tell the guys to do therapy and sort their own mental shit out?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 02:47 PM
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Not one specific one. I've watched at least 20 videos from different sources. I mean this "bad belief" stuff that guys need to change about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 02:46 PM
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Yeah that's fixing your psychology if you have self-confidence issues or excessive dependence on external validation. Just see a therapist? They'll know better than some guy on YouTube who was a virgin until 22.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 02:37 PM
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I liked the ones where guys would be talking more about how they're brushing off rejections or psyching themselves up Really? That "inner game" stuff seems so ridiculous. It's more like a therapy session I guess? These guys need psychological coaching to feel confident and positive and not be hurt by rejection?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/18 02:30 PM
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Good for you. Did you go? Are you still going?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/18 11:19 PM
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Not my girlfriend. I grind on their girlfriends.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/18 11:16 PM
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My partner has this chance and she isn't even a mother. Then either your standards are too low (partnering up with someone lazy when you could find someone else) or you're ugly and this is your only way to date someone that hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/18 10:50 PM
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Would I let her? I already have dozens of times...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/18 09:42 PM
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cancelled it because I never had time to go. Going to a gym a few times a week means having to neglect some of my classes. Why does one stop the other? In college I worked out 6 times a week, did well in classes, had a part-time job, played sports, and still had time to party every weekend. Professionals work 60-70 hour weeks and still hit the gym. The time's there. Get better at time management. Look at your schedule and figure out when you can hit the campus gym right after class or between cl…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/18 09:41 PM
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If not, you chose a strange name. "Beta norman" is incel jargon.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/18 12:38 AM
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He's an incel, probably laying bait for some incel forum
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/18 12:21 AM
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It's self-evident a "role model" is someone you want to be like, not someone you don't want to be like. I assume he's not autistic and would understand that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/18 12:18 AM
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If you’re a 5-6/10 woman men don’t like you either. Depends what else you have to offer. Other 5/10s get married every day. If all you have is 5/10 looks and nothing else to contribute, then you're SOL. You're jealous of men chasing more attractive women, but most of that attention isn't genuine love either. Men are thirsty.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/18 11:35 PM
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Of course. That 400 lbs landwhale stays a spinster. Becoming a 9/10 will get you pump-and-dumped but won't guarantee you love. Looks fade as she ages, especially if she exaggerated her looks with makeup and fitness (looksmaxxed) and then gets lazy later, so they're not enough to determine commitment. What else does she have?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/18 11:30 PM
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Looks get her in the door, but they don't get her the ring. What else does she have to offer?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/18 11:25 PM
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Get far away from this sub and the whole pillosphere. It's alluring to lost young guys but ultimately toxic. You don't need books or online forums or reddit. Look for positive male role models IRL: successful business owners, good fathers, guys higher up the ladder in your career, war veterans. Spend time with them. Learn from them. Model from them. A lot of how to be a man comes down to nuances that are much easier to observe IRL than read about in text on some online internet forum. Since the …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/18 11:21 PM
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If you had read the OP, you might have noticed you just replied to the OP... who is fully aware of what the OP said and his own perceptions. Thanks for playing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/18 10:47 PM
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As in, attributing a lack of reaching out as personal. Attributing a lack of reply as some egregious personal slight is of course very insecure. But healthy friendships are naturally reciprocal. Maybe not 50-50 every minute of every day, but there's a natural back and forth dynamic that happens subconsciously. If I look back at my friendships, I've never felt like I was chasing them. Sometimes they message me. Sometimes I message them. Sometimes I invite them to do something. Sometimes they invi…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/18 04:59 AM
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That includes not needing a pat on the back for doing what they're supposed to do. WTF? Initiating contact, replying to a message, or taking initiative to make plans would be giving him a "pat on the back for doing what he is supposed to do"? You sound like a terrible friend. Your male friends are just Plan Bs you keep around to evaluate for future boyfriend potential? Yeah, I wouldn't bother with you. My many female friends are actually good friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/18 04:23 AM
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I'd have to do more than 50% of the friendship work. And the second I stop doing the lion's share of the friendship work, the friendship ends. Since when? Because you had to do this in the past with girls who said "let's just be friends"? (if so, they were just blowing you off FFS) Because all your friendships with women are like that? Are you just boring or a bad friend? My female friends do 50-60% of the work. They initiate contact at least half the time. They respond right away. They eagerly …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/18 04:18 AM
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Many reasons why. The sexual feelings might pass (temporary thirst) yet he likes her personality and wants her friendship. Some men like you would find no value in that friendship. Point is if the guy is such a man, it's his own damn fault if he ends up unhappy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/18 02:54 AM
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Arguing. Point: If friendship would not satisfy him, that's still not a justification for why the "friendzone" is a bad thing imposed on men. The only way he could end up unhappy is if he chose to engage in something that he knew made him unhappy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/18 02:43 AM
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MOG is a shortening of AMOG used almost exclusively by the incel community. e.g. "that 4/10 mogs me" (more alpha, more masculine, more attractive) as a way to express feelings of inferiority and inadequacy
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/18 02:39 AM
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I've friendzoned some women and they got pissy about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/18 02:35 AM
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Why would a man who wants to be her sexual partner and would not be satisfied as a non-sexual partner spend months orbiting some woman not interested in him? The friendzone is self-imposed. If friendship does not work for him, he can leave and never see her again. No friendzone. No dissatisfaction. The only person putting him in the friendzone is himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/18 02:34 AM
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What autists/currycels don't get is for white girls there's a difference between "being sexual" and "wanting to have sex with that person".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/18 11:16 PM
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As teenagers we used to just grind for "fun" at school dances and parties and clubs. Nothing was expected to happen. Kids get horny. It's fun and feels good. I think a lot of young girls still do that in clubs. She wants to get drunk, dance, grind, maybe make out a bit, and then leave with her friends. She doesn't need sex to have fun. Women are wired differently than males. I never assume it's leading to sex. I'm in the moment, enjoying what's happening. If we fuck later, cool. If we don't, it …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/18 11:14 PM
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This needs more upvotes
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/18 10:51 PM
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Unfortunately for her, she’s not going to be able to turn off men’s sexuality She can't turn of their sexuality. But can't grown adult men control their behavior? You're all just baboons with no willpower or self-control? Willpower is the gap between FEELING and DOING. These guys give into feelz too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/18 10:47 PM
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Let's translate from neurotypical to a more familiar language I've noticed I tend to be attracted to girls who are "fed up" with male attention by the time I get to them. Fed up with attention from unwanted males, not all males But things got weird when I expressed sexual interest. She says she just doesn't want to be seen that way. She doesn't want your sexual interest. She's an insta model, she clearly wants men interested and following her from a distance, but she doesn't want YOU to hit on h…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/18 08:08 PM
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First, this woman isn't loyal or trusted. She was married and had an affair. All she had was being obsessively devoted. Second, is the forum littered with comments saying they want women who are the 100% extreme case of committed, devoted, ride-or-die? This comment is so black-and-white autistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/18 07:58 PM
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Where did men say they wanted this? At least cite some men stating the thing you're referring to. Otherwise this comes across like a moronic strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/18 07:52 PM
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I was also speaking about men in general. What's your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/18 07:45 PM
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What part of the story indicates men were attracted to her crazy behavior? It happened after the affair, not before.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/18 07:43 PM
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Men just flat out lack the allure women have and there’s nothing to be done to fix it. Men flat out lack the physical allure women have, but women flat out lack the emotional allure men have over women. If you learn to tap into her emotional side she'll yearn you over Chad, ice cream, anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/18 07:36 PM
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If you're talking about dating with the intention of settling down? Nightmarishly harder. You think so? Seems nightmarishly easy. Average girls have too many options for ONS (fuckboy, pump and dump, fling, FWB etc) but most lack serious options for settling down. All that attention on Tinder and Insta is validating but transient. It doesn't replace genuine IRL affection from someone who wants a serious relationship. I always thought the manosphere argument was that casual sex was the hard one to…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/18 07:29 PM
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This. Q4M: When your plate let you fuck her, did she get the best deal?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/18 07:19 PM
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women are deer D'oh! A deer. A FEEEEEEMALE deer. REEEEEE!! a drop of spergy cum
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/18 07:15 PM
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People are hostile to the arrogance of presenting these weird "scientific" (but inadequately validated) theories on dating as these revolutionary groundbreaking truths, instead of just something helpful that low-tier confused guys can use to better understand social interactions. For the CMV "Because he is secure in his masculinity" is an important part of it. No one had ever claimed that ANY man automatically becomes attractive by gender-nonconforming. It seems like such a strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/18 06:48 PM
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You butthurt or your butt just hurt?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/18 07:03 PM
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Agreed. The autists on here might understand it better under the economic context of "costly signalling". High quality grown fucking men, who are confident and emotionally stable and mature and secure in themselves, are more attractive for showing vulnerability. All this aloofness and gameplaying signals cowardice, delicate little flowers afraid to get hurt. Dropping the games, taking risks, and showing vulnerability can show their maturity and strength. (Caveat for autists: immature crybabies s…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/18 06:59 PM
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I never claimed they are equally as entitled though. I merely claimed they were both entitled. So you agree Nice Guy entitlement is worse. Good to get that on record.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/18 06:39 PM
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In other news, Africa is a continent. Saturn has moons. None of these things have anything to do with the prior discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/18 06:24 PM
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Sounded like you were arguing against my first comment (re: confidence), but my first comment was correct. That this theory is important with regards to dating. Neurotypicals intuitively "get" this and apply it when evaluating people, without any theory making it explicit. Maybe other guys need the economics to understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/18 06:23 PM
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I never claimed it wasn't entitlement to money. I argued the two aren't equivalent due to differences between human bodies and commodities like money, primarily concerning human autonomy. They differ in degrees, with entitlement to sex more egregious. feeling entitled to money is still feeling entitled someone else's body. It's just entitlement to preexisting material property. Entitlement to an apple isn't entitlement to someone else's body, even though human labor could be used to obtain that …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 07:20 PM
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Let's first establish that human labor as a commodity differs from commodities like money and food. You've provided no arguments contradicting that, just repeating over and over that it's a commodity. I can buy Joe's cow without the cow's consent. Joe, somebody separate from the cow, owns it and has rights to barter with it. Bob works for Joe. I can't buy Bob's labor from Joe directly without Bob's consent. Bob's labor can be bartered and exchanged, but not by third parties (me and Joe) the way …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 06:57 PM
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Even the most left wing economists consider labor a commodity. You are using a definition of commodity that nobody else uses. I'm defining labor as a commodity. If you don't understand that, you're either not reading carefully enough or strawmanning terribly. My argument is that labor is a special class of commodity, different from commodities like money and food. Humans have rights and autonomy over their bodies; money and food lack the same degree of conscious autonomy. This means there are mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 06:40 PM
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Labor is not a commodity? Please learn to read complete sentences. "commodity that third parties can distribute and exchange", implying it is a commodity. Trading your labor for currency is absolutely bartering with your body. That is YOU bartering with your own labor and your own body, not third parties bartering between themselves with your body without your consent. NDAs are a prime example. That's silencing you, which is different than me compelling you to give your labor to another party wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 06:02 PM
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Labor is not a commodity that third parties can distribute and exchange, either. I can employ you for your body's labour, but I can't own and barter with your body. I can't just take you and sell you to some plantation in Texas. You have some autonomy I can't override. Money and food are objects that lack autonomy and the same individual rights as humans, so taking and redistributing them is not comparable.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 05:51 PM
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Women are attracted to aggressive men and are turned off by behaviors that indicate a man is low T. Women are sexually attracted to masculinity (high T), especially for casual sex. Women do not like staying with aggressive men. Assertiveness > aggressiveness > cowardice. they don't want an "equal" partner but in fact a dominant high SMV man who they can submit to Submissive women want to submit to a dominant man. Dominant women want a submissive man. There's a whole spectrum of D/s preferences i…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 05:37 PM
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False equivalence. Money is a commodity that third parties can distribute. Human bodies aren't distributable commodoties, since the abolition of slavery.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 05:16 PM
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I'm having a huge trouble processing this Why? This is fucking basic PR 101. The institution looks bad in the public eye for being associated with this guy who now has a bad rep (regardless of criminal guilt). They compensate by hiring and promoting more women, to appease the angry feminists and restore their image.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 04:49 PM
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But this is the point I'm making. Confidence... the internal state of being willing to stick with one's guns and defy social norms... isn't enough. See above where I wrote "confidence is the other signal". Notice the words "the other". In other words, it is one of many signals that increases your perceived value but not a sufficient condition for attraction (i.e. not enough on its own). I think neurotypicals understand the implications of this sort of phrasing much more easily than non-neurotypi…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 04:25 PM
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Why? Desperate need for social approval? Unsure of their choices? Status seekers?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 01:23 AM
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I think you mean Good Man TM.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 12:48 AM
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None. What the fuck. How is this a question? Here's how my dating goes. Step 1. Meet new girl. Decide if I like her on my own judgment. Step 2. Fuck girl. Step 3. Repeat step 2. Step 4. Decide if I want to keep seeing her. If so, repeat step 2 some more. Step 5. Ok it's been a few months. Guess we're now dating and not just fucking. Step 6. Introduce her to friends and family in a declarative "this is who I'm with now" way.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 12:44 AM
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Desperate need for external validation is inherently unattractive, in men especially. Incels reek of it. TRP gives incels a bandaid solution. Instead of getting rid of that need for external validation, it teaches them how to act to seem like they don't give a fuck to get women. But they still depend on getting those belt notches to feel validated. Plate-spinning is advised because they don't get enough validation from a single plate. They need others on the go to get sufficient validation and r…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 12:37 AM
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I avoided saying that explicitly after getting some mod warnings...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 12:24 AM
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But the phenomenon I am discussing here wasn't even consciously explained or understood until 1973, and even then it was only understood in economics (Michael Spence's Job Market Signalling). Only in 1990 and 1997, with the works of Grafen (Biological Signals As Handicaps) and Zahavi (The Handicap Principle), did the phenomenon gain prominence in evolutionary biology. It wasn't formally explained in academia as a theory, but do you really think most neurotypicals didn't intuitively understand th…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/18 09:23 PM
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In high school many acquaintances. Probably often. Never close friends. Some friends assumed I fantasized about them. I didn't. Seemed weird to sexualize platonic friends when I had no romantic feelings. They were like sisters. Didn't want to picture them like that. Still drunkenly made out with some, but it was more stupid teenage playful experimenting than something erotic worth fantasizing about. As an adult 0. I fantasize about current or past partners. Much more vivid and arousing when I ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/18 07:11 PM
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No this is insecure cucks getting the cause and effect backwards. Step 1. The marriage was bad. Step 2. She leaves him. Step 3. She fucks some random attractive guy for meaningless sex to get over it and move on. Then the divorced guy cries "wah wah I'm not masculine enough, she left me because she always wanted to fuck Chad not because our marriage was bad, AWALT slut," lacking the self-awareness to see his own role in the marriage falling apart (as well as hers) and the gradual decline of thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/18 06:42 PM
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There's a sense of panic that we're approaching middle-age and running out of time and we haven't even emotionally grown up yet and still feel like freaking 19 year olds lol. Keeping our looks matters dearly to us Or, instead of being a prepubescent girl, try growing the fuck up. Stop being an emotional kid. Stop saying "woo" in your 30s. Instead of wasting energy obsessing about youthful looks, put that energy towards accomplishing economic, financial and life milestones. This is everything wro…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/18 06:27 PM
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Didn't say my experience rigorously tested it or falsified it. I continued the other guy's example. If it's falsifiable and the other guy falsified it, working for others doesn't negate that. They could be succeeding for other reasons. Then I mentioned, anecdotally, that it also didn't work for me. now that I've learnt TRP ways and combined them with my own ways, it has essentially made me more successful with women than I was pre-TRP and more successful with women than when I tried to follow TR…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/18 05:14 PM
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You can't believe straight men can have close female friends? What in the fuck? It's so common for millenials. Did you just never have many friends in school or at work?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/18 04:54 PM
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Neurotypicals don't need a framework or blueprint to social interactions. Maybe some men do. As for competing framework, the problem is there's so much overlap with others. I'd argue most RP success comes from the generic advice (e.g. lift, lose body fat, dress well, groom, master something in your life, gain status, approach, learn social cues, be confident, be masculine, learn how to flirt and turn her on) that you'd find in any non-RP self-help or seduction community, without the TRP AWALT he…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/18 04:48 PM
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Where the fuck are you from? Most of the US is not that extreme. Staring at a stranger for more than 5 seconds does sound socially awkward, especially depending on how he stares. Body language is a big part of it. Irregular body language comes off creepy. But talking to her with normal body language comes off normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/18 04:39 PM
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So if he tests it and falsifies it, isn't it falsified? Working for other people doesn't un-falsify it. Could be false positives (they're succeeding because of something else, e.g. the generic non-TRP self-help stuff like lifting and confidence, not because of the content unique to TRP). There's a huge risk of confirmation bias. Guys start succeeding and they assume TRP was the reason for it instead of other changes in their lives. I tested out TRP stuff for a while to see how it would go. It ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/18 01:12 AM
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The true things from trp like lifting/self-improvement/confidence are things you can get from any self-improvement and not just from trp. This is why most men don't need TRP. It helps some because some people seem to need systems and heuristics and instruction manuals to be able to handle dating and basic social interactions.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/18 01:05 AM
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Lol the opposite. Have you even talked to women? Your opinion's so ridiculous it sounds like some propaganda you read on some MRA website without enough real life experience with women to ground you in reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/18 12:40 AM
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Saying "hi" and talking to her like a normal human being isn't sexual harassment. If she feels uncomfortable, you leave. Harassment is a repeated pattern of behavior, usually if you won't leave her alone, don't take the hint, catcall, physically block her path, touch her too soon, try to take advantage of someone too drunk, or make an overly sexual comment. Are there some radfems who think a man breathing oxygen is sexual harassment? Probably. The world is full of crazies. But who gives a fuck b…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/18 12:30 AM
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Response to edit: Even if you're very good at reading social cues and have a very charming personality, I guarantee some (autistic?) woman believes you harassed her. Not all women will be charmed. But then you notice her disinterest or discomfort, walk away, and leave her alone. 99% of the time it's not a big deal if you get the hint, respect her space and leave her alone. Maybe a small handful of women felt very uncomfortable without expressing it. Still nothing that would stick as harassment. …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/18 08:48 PM
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That's my point exactly. Your former self was below average, so your perception of what average guys can get away with is distorted by the shitty experiences you had as an obese guy. Congrats on the weight loss though. That's amazing. Keep it up bro. As an average weight guy you must notice differences in IRL reactions.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/18 08:39 PM
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Lol no it's not, unless you're autistic or socially retarded. You're getting the "where" and "how" confused. Some bar approaches are harassment. Some aren't. It's surprisingly easy to not make a woman feel harassed.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/18 08:38 PM
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Late 40s 300 lbs landwhales are not average guys. That's bottom percentiles of the active dating market. I keep hearing this "average goes don't get a chance, only top percentile guys" from guys who aren't (or weren't) average.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/18 08:08 PM
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For autists yes. If you understand social cues, then no. Approaching a woman doesn't automatically count as harrassment. It's in the "how" not the "what".
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/18 08:07 PM
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Men choose the more desirable partner too. For some of you, she's just not available because she's out of your league, so you end up with someone else. Both men and women are restricted to what's available.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/18 02:36 PM
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Extroverted men have large networks too. The big gender difference is in close intimate friendships. Women have more of those. But even superficial friendships are potential mates. So you're saying every time a woman is set up, a man is set up too? Late 40s men who are 300 lbs are not "ordinary men". Ordinary men can increase their circle by approaching women IRL.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/18 02:29 PM
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No. Child's needs are complex and change over time. You can't predict and foresee everything. Contracts are good for financial assets, not relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/18 02:17 PM
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Misspoke. Should have said Employment Counts. I looked at the total number of employed people in the US by age and sex (from census.gov), not the "Employment Rate" where they ignore people not looking for work. For age groups <18, 19-21 and 22-24, there are more employed females than males in the US. For 25-34 the number of employed women is 93% of the number of employed men, and that's with many taking a break in their careers for childbirth. 35-44 it's 90%. If you just look at 16 years and ove…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/18 11:07 PM
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You can hear it from men who have dated women So you haven't even dated women? You've heard it from men who had the worst cases (those are the ones who complain on MRA platforms - the happy and normal ones don't need to complain online). women themselves on various social media platforms, where posts get hundreds of thousands of likes in agreement Oh, you mean narcissists who obsessively collect social media followers do narcissistic things like manipulate men for free stuff. I think you read to…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/18 09:42 PM
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It would just complete the analogy. If you don't do the things she wants, there's going to be a fight. This implies if she doesn't give you the sex you want, you bug/nag/fight her about it too. Instead of it being some wifely duty she's supposed to provide you because you suck up other things for her, have you tried turning her on and making the sex more enjoyable for her? I never have to bug my gfs for sex. Usually the other way. If you turn them on properly, women love sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/18 05:42 AM
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You call bugging her to put out more as a chore to you instead of trying to make sex more enjoyable for her being a team?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/18 05:04 AM
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Ok just trying to translate your language... You say she gets it but doesn't care. "Gets it" = She knows you want more sex "Caring" = Giving you sex most of the time to meet your need. You don't see this as entitled? Expecting her to put out because you want sex and it's your need...even if she doesn't want or enjoy the sex? Have you tried being better in bed so she enjoys the sex more? I'm usually the one turning my GFs down for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/18 04:49 AM
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0 evidence or arguments. Cool story bro. MGTOWtoday Wrong. I can do it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/18 04:17 AM
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What would "caring" about your need for sex look like? Giving you sex when you want it? Or just acknowledging that sex is important to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/18 03:55 AM
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No, it's a pseudoscience branch of psychology. Generally speaking, the hypotheses are not testable under the scientific method or controlled experiments. It rests on confirmation bias: you observe patterns, and you assume those patterns are explained by evolution because it "kinda makes sense" and can rationalize it, but can't actually test or confirm it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/18 03:20 AM
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Other way around. Most women work hard. A minority of women are gold-diggers who rely on the husband to provide. US demographic data shows that, for pretty much every age group, the employment rate of women is as high or almost as high as the employment rate for men (90-100%). It's hard to link (interactive data tables), but check it out at census.gov. There are welfare moms, but there are also deadbeat men. Overall the employment rates are almost the same. Most women work and earn money. Since …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 09:02 PM
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EvoPsych speculation isn't "grounded in science"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 08:42 PM
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Lol butthurt? I'm happy I caught your hypocrisy. Now's not the time to pretend you can read emotions. If you need "tit for tat" and feel accused, maybe you're butthurt.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 08:25 PM
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Getting divorced and so losing your kids Hold your horses. You haven't even banged her yet. How's she birthing kids and divorcing you? This OP was about suboptimal male performance for PUA/hitting up new plates, not suboptimal male performance to maintain a 10 year+ marriage. Both the context and skills required are very different. Salvaging a marriage is high-stakes. Pick-up isn't. And guns weigh slightly different when their loaded. Dubiously interpreting such subtle signs You have to hold the…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 08:15 PM
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I pointed out a contradiction. You claimed you listen and use arguments based on evidence. But instead of listening to me, you accused me of shit I didn't do based on no evidence, the opposite of what you say you do. (My flair is neither blue nor red).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 07:26 PM
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likely to listen But instead you whine on and on about Really? Did I say that? Any evidence? Or just some other generic non-Blackpiller you lumped me in with? Good listening skills and facts bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 06:52 PM
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She accepts average guys. Bottom-tier omegas/incels struggle. When guys get frustrated by rejection and feelz tell them average guys don't stand a chance, it's a cope to avoid confronting that their own SMV may be lower than they think.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 06:47 PM
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Woman A. IRL I keep picking Woman A over Woman B even for LTRs. I just dumped a B for an A earlier this year. I have little patience for material bullshit. I hate being a provider (even though I'm high SES I prefer if she pays for herself). I prefer if she's sexually open. My girlfriends, even the "good girls", were all willing to try some pretty racy stuff with me... I couldn't imagine giving that up for some kind of material transactional deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 05:01 AM
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I'll listen [Black Pill] One of these things doesn't check out
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 04:51 AM
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I understand why someone would like to have these qualities in engineering or programming for example, but have no idea why they would want to apply them to social interactions.....I have no clue why someone would do this The answer is what I've been saying all along... TRP is full of low EQ Aspies. They have to approach social interactions in the deliberate methodical way you do, even though it's slower and clumsier than how most people intuitively interact. You probably have better insight int…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 04:25 AM
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Low EQ comment. Having high emotional intelligence is not the same thing as being swayed by feelz and giving in to every whim.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 04:18 AM
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theres no reason for her to accept the average guys You manlet incels need to stop pretending you're average. Average-looking guys can do just fine. Omegas will struggle a hell of a lot more.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/18 04:15 AM
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This OP isn't about which person you respect more. It was about who shows more kindness. If kindness is something you value less than honesty, that doesn't make the honest but unkind person any more kind.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 07:44 PM
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Im not currently in the great shape (within BMI, but no definition) due to spending the last year doing a full years university study whilst working full time. Excuses. You're out of shape because you didn't care about it. I was in great shape while working through college. Make the 30 min a day to hit the gym. It takes less time than you think. I actually worked out the most when I had the most other things on my plate. People complain about lack of time, but it's just lack of discipline. The t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 05:13 PM
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the effects can be catastrophic. Lol no. Death from gunshot wound is catastrophic. Not getting laid by some replaceable random girl is not catastrophic. The stakes are not the same. A woman who is a "loaded gun" also can't be told apart from an unloaded on sight Women give off a lot of nonverbal cues that help you both understand her and feel out the situation. Yes, there is a cost of false positives. It's just lower than the cost of false negatives. Are you sure? The cost of false positives is …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 05:02 PM
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I know a few guys IRL like this. I think they're all RPers/MRAs, based on other discussions we've had. Some are even older and well-socialized for work and platonic interactions. They're just creepy AF hitting on women, and the rest of our social groups (female and male) agree. The women all feel uncomfortable being around them and creeped out by what they say. I think the problem is they're all average-looking guys trying to following online text advice for PUA. They see a bunch of words on pap…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 04:31 PM
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No, she's thinking late 20s hipster. Young girls like Radiohead too. Proof: have fucked some
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 04:00 PM
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Fuck the patriarchy. Free the nipple! Topless Tuesdays
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 03:58 PM
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I think the part you missed was that the relationship was already over before he brought up the other women. She had already ruined it. She fucked up earlier. He was already done with her and lost interest. He's not bringing that up in the middle of a happy dinner.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 03:54 PM
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I might if she had something else to bring to the table. Your character didn't. After all, as we age, all women who were hotter will eventually be 6s and then 4s and then 2s. If I marry her, I know she's going to be a 2 someday, so she better have other qualities worth sticking around for.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 03:47 PM
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Oh, in the scenario I wouldn't be. I'd be long gone. Just explaining what that other guy didn't get at. You don't want to hear guys talking about other girls (even if they wouldn't cheat), but you say things that are going to lead there. What's your angle here exactly? You think bitchy attitude will make him fall in line and appease your insecurities? If you're really angling for long-term commitment with some guy, you need to think before you speak. What you say and do will have an impact on th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 03:43 PM
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I definitely wouldn't LTR a 6/10 with your attitude. Girls who talk to me like that get nothing paid for and never see me again.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 03:32 PM
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You asked why should you deserve me as a 8-9/10? The answer is I don't really care what you think I deserve, but the reality is I can get other 8-9s without dealing with that level of drama. If you don't want a man to tell you he can have other women, don't bitch about whether he deserves someone of your looks level.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 03:29 PM
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She's not hanging out with you to be politically correct. She's hanging out with you to be a platonic friend. As a friend, she would treat you with more kindness. The IDGAF guy would roast you for your looks or bail on you for cooler people. He doesn't care about your feelz.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 03:09 PM
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I won't LTR a gold-digging 8.5/10 with a shitty personality who won't put out when I can be with pleasant 8-9s instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 02:08 AM
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That's why most don't bother and leave the men to struggle in their marriages
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 01:42 AM
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EDIT: So I was thinking of scenarios where she was insecure about my present interest in her. Showing interest usually gets the job done. About hypothetical interest in the past....the honest answer is I don't know. It's a hypothetical. I didn't meet her then. I met her now. I can't know how I would have felt in a moment that didn't happen. Maybe I would have been turned off by her looks, but maybe I would have still been drawn to her overall personality? It's pointless speculation. It's like as…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 01:32 AM
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Because you have to coddle them instead of just telling them to man up?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 01:23 AM
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This is how I'd say it in my non-RP speak: Your wife wants sex too. You just need to figure out how to get her engines going. How do you usually try to initiate sex? Do something different. Chances are like most women she fantasizes about you being assertive and dominant in bed, taking control, pleasing her, and animalistically going for what you want. Deep down she wants you and needs an escape too. Then just describes the things and actions instead of using jargon. If they're out of shape and …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 01:20 AM
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Just to clarify, what's the question? "Would you have dated me 3 years ago when I was fat?" Straight answer: I don't and can't know. I didn't meet you then. It's a stupid hypothetical. That doesn't take away that feeling of insecurity though. You can bet there will be more followup questions, or it will keep nagging at her.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 01:01 AM
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The part you don't realize is if all she can offer is looks, she's bad wife material. Looks are a depreciating asset. They'll just fade over time. If she's got a bitchy personality underneath it, who's going to want to spend his life with her? Especially if she's demanding about money. Best case outcome she marries some balding rich guy as a trophy wife. Then when her looks fade, he divorces her or cheats on her. If she wants a quality marriage, she needs a better personality. Maybe therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 12:45 AM
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I'd know you dodged the question What question are you talking about? I'm not the other poster. I'm not dodging it. You answer with words + body language. I don't have an emotional brain and a logical brain. It's the same brain. The point is you can't argue away a person's feeling (male or female). Questions like that are not rational. Calm happy people don't ask them. They come from a place of deep insecurity about self-worth. You can't argue someone into valuing themselves. At best you can app…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 12:36 AM
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So what's in it for me to keep dating her? She's a pretty piece of artwork to hang on the wall, but no sex and a sour attitude? No thanks. Those girls don't even get second dates from me. If she wants a long-term investment from me, she better be bringing a much better attitude and personality. She's not the only hot body out there. She's going to find she's SOL with high value guys and stuck with ugly rich guys desperate for a hot wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 12:16 AM
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It works surprisingly often - moreso the body language part than the words. No matter how smart she is, it's not her logical brain asking the question. It's her emotional brain. She's speaking from a feeling of deep insecurity about her worth. That insecurity is driving her curiosity. You're best off addressing the feeling instead of trying to logic the feeling away. Women have all sorts of body image issues, not just the femcels who looksmaxxed. I've been with an anorexic model, a hardbodied fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 12:13 AM
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This.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 12:04 AM
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Anyway, you get the point. I'll give reassuring answers for her first questions, but if she gets that bitchy she's not worth it. Break up and move on. If she really acted like that, then no I don't like her personality and she wouldn't make it past date 3. Classic pump and dump material.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/18 12:02 AM
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Contact me again and I'm filing for a restraining order.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/18 11:53 PM
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I don't care if you think I deserve you. I can get other hot girls easily, and they're much less of a pain in the ass. You're the one who busted her ass to get my attention. If you act like this, nobody's going to like you for who you are. You had to looksmax to get noticed because nobody could stand your personality. Go find some ugly beta buxx desperate for a chance at a hot girl because that's all you'll ever get. You'll be perfect for each other. I don't waste time with golddiggers. Fix your…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/18 11:52 PM
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You busted your ass 3 years just to throw it all away like this over your sour attitude? Because you need a serious attitude check. You're rude, bitchy and not at all deserving of a free dinner. You think acting like this will earn you gifts? Go kick and scream at some other rich guy and see what that gets you. What a waste... 3 years of your life just to throw it away like this. You'll regret this later, and it'll be too late. Goodbye.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/18 11:35 PM
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Do you think I'm pro- this kind of obedient femininity or against it?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/18 11:32 PM
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You're not some piece of meat I'm buying at the market. You're a lot more than that. It's a shame you can't see that. Do you really want ME or my money? If you really worked that hard for so long to get my attention, that should be enough for you. You won! You got my attention. That should be enough for you. If it's not, go chase some other sop for his money. You're going to throw all that work and effort away over a measly dinner tab?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/18 11:30 PM
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So you don’t like me for who I am. I like who you are. I enjoy being with you. But this isn't really about me. You're struggling with some deeper insecurities. I hope you can learn to appreciate who you are just like I do. I’m not rich or a feminist. I’m doing it for you. The least you could do is pay for a portion. Aren't you happy with me? If you really want to be with me, I shouldn't have to buy your time. Would you still get a mistress? Of course not baby.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/18 11:22 PM
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I don't give a fuck what she looked like 3 years ago. I'm not dating her bio. I'm dating her today. If she looksmaxxed, got hot, and wanted to be with me, that just meant she busted her ass 3 years to earn my attention. After all that effort she wanted me instead of some other hot dude, and she's gifting me with her lifetime peak looks. Damn, what a compliment! What do you answer when she constantly brings up that you truly don’t like her for who she is? The past is over. We're here together in …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/18 11:05 PM
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That's who I'm fucking now. Independent non-needy non-emotional women are much simpler.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/18 10:25 PM
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As a mother, what type of son would be easier to control: the independent one with agency and will power, or the obedient one who does what he's told? Old-school men raised their wives to be subservient for the same reason mothers like to raise beta males. It's just easier to maintain authority.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/18 10:23 PM
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Women call ugly men mean names; men don't call roasties names Cool story bro
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/18 10:11 PM
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Are you implying you're kinder to ugly women? "Roastie", "landwhale", "femoid"... sounds kind. The question was who's kinder to ugly "people". TRPers aren't kind to ugly women. The bar isn't that high for feminists to be kinder to ugly men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/18 10:02 PM
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Both. "Alphas" I know IRL are high status, fun, and slay with women, and I want them around if I ever get into a bar fight, but they're not generally "kind" people. Kindness isn't part of Dark Triad or AF mentality. Feminists I know IRL are kinder people. IRL they worry more about being respectful, considering people's feelings, empathizing, and being politically correct. Even to ugly men! They hang out with many ugly men as platonic friends or in LTRs (if she's ugly too).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/18 09:58 PM
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We have a self-proclaimed “high class” working at Starbucks... driving for Uber Who the hell considers that high class? The pro-college guys here aren't talking about getting BA in Gender Studies or BS in Psychology. They mean Business, Law and Engineering grads making 6 figures in the corporate world with high upward career mobility.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/18 07:04 PM
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Girl you have such a manly chest. Talk to me in that sultry man voice and caress me with those manhands.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/18 06:57 PM
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Break up then look for prospects. What you describe is a scarcity mentality. People are afraid they won't find someone else so they wait until they find a new partner before moving on. That's mentally unwell. With a healthy abundance mentality you don't need the security of a new partner to end something. If it doesn't work, move on. Trust yourself to find something later.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/18 06:55 PM
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Yeah why would OP even ask? If women asked men if they were going to cheat, how many real cheaters would be honest about it? What kind of answer does he expect? Then again, guys who lack that basic social common sense in favor of naive logic are the ones most likely to turn to MGTOW and TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/18 06:46 PM
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Go to Google and type in "sense of humor"
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/18 06:42 PM
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Luckily the timing works out so there are now more hookup alternatives to the "alcohol scene" (clubs, bars, frat parties): Tinder, Bumble, etc.. Back in the day you almost had to hookup drunk in some dark dingy place. Now it's easier to meet random DTF women without ever pouring a drink. Just change scenes and hookups will still happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/18 06:41 PM
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Feminists. Redpill promotes being an IDGAF amoral asshole, so they are less "kind" to people in general. Feminists would treat ugly women and men with more kindness and niceness overall. They just wouldn't fuck the ugly guys. If the ugly guys are only interested in sex and don't value platonic social interaction or other acts of kindness from females, then they may perceive withholding sex as being unkind (obstructing their goals, not fulfilling their desires)... but under most frames of referen…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/18 06:29 PM
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posting abhorrent memes about Elliott Rodger Are you talking about the memefest that was braincels? Those were jokes. I was talking about the older communities like r/incels, r/incel, r/truecels. They had serious discussions about him, not just outrage-porn memes. I thought even the Toronto guy I didn't mention him for a reason. The link between him and the community is weak, mostly media speculation. No, I meant vocal extremists who were key figures in these older subreddits like CAAMIB (the co…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/18 04:52 AM
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Do you see the parallel between your story and the very common occurrence in married couples Yeah. I never appease partners in relationships. Terrible idea. It fucks up the power dynamic. After hearing shockingly many women I know come forward with MeToo stories, I felt bad for them, felt bad for my role in a college party culture that enables a lot of shady shit, and thought this would be different. It's not. Don't appease them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/18 04:34 AM
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There’s what, 20-30,000 incels in online communities? Source? I used to be a member of incels subreddits. Their subscription numbers were driven up by lurkers, trolls, or "normies" like myself. The number of active members identifying as incels was much lower, maybe under 100. Outside of reddit, there's blackpill discussion on some forums, but a lot of those guys aren't incels. They're just blackpilled or feminist-haters. What if they actually are in the bottom 1% ? and not just 3-5s like you ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/18 04:18 AM
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Can you empathize enough to picture some ugly nerd who got picked on his whole life It's hard because this is reddit, which means most users are or know a ton of ugly nerds. Yet they're socially well-adjusted, able to interact with women just fine, and get laid sometimes. When you apply that Reality Context to the Incel Narrative, you get a contradiction. Hence the cliche that looks don't matter as much as guys think they do (because they know guys of equivalent looks getting laid). If it's not …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 08:20 PM
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imply that they are saying they deserve sex? Because some of the top posters in the original Incels and Truecels communities were advocating government intervention or other radical measures for redistribution of sex. Incels finally got banned after one member asked legal questions about how he could get away with rape without getting caught. The incel community went beyond just lamenting their sub-Chad loneliness (e.g. tamer communities like ForeverAlone). After those subs got banned, it toned …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 08:01 PM
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It suggests my point. They are getting casual sex (and more casual action that doesn't count as "sex"). Comes down to how you define "get the casual sex they desire." They can go out and get laid every now and then, especially if relationship potential is on the table. Women find them hot enough to fuck. Get as much casual PIV sex as they fantasize about from porn, as easily as they hoped? No, but even top 10% guys don't. Even with N=50 by age 24 you're not even banging a new girl every month, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 07:25 PM
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Averages are brought down by religious/traditional people (particularly in older generations) who married the first person they fucked. The average millenial has an N count of 8 (Google it). That includes the religious folks. It stands to reason that the average atheist millenial interested in casual sex is higher, maybe 10. At 8-10, that's a mix of some casual hookups and some monogamous LTRs.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 07:06 PM
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Q4All: Do you believe false or un-provable allegations are causing the drop in support for alleged rape victims? No, because this existed long before MeToo. Q4All: Why do you think American opinion has shifted against "victims?" Because the spirit of MeToo is that everyone is a victim. Now that the victims of the worst crimes have already come forwards about actual assaults, radfems are pushing other women to come forward about "grey area" shit too. "This guy made me feel bad on this date where …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 06:45 PM
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What's "slaying"? Some incel porno fantasy of fucking a hot girl at the club every night you go out? There are two things going on here. He's denying the OP's claims about slaying, but elsewhere on this thread he's also saying shit like "women don't fuck average" and non-Chads can only get laid very rarely (e.g. with a year or more in between).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 06:33 PM
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Goalpost shifting from "can't get pussy" to "doesn't get that much pussy". How much is that much? What's "time to time" vs often? How much is enough? You make a big fuss about "science", but your weasly claim is too vaguely-defined for science to either support or refute.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 06:27 PM
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Fondness and happy memories. The overall experience of partying those years was great, don't regret one bit. I don't remember each individual hookup, just like I don't remember every night out. Some girls weren't memorable. Others really stand out for the "LOL I did that" factor. The sex and women that really stand out in my memory are the LTRs.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 06:14 PM
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Lol every blackpiller's defense is either "you're Chad" or "you're lying". Ideology is so ingrained you're incapable of analyzing counterevidence. Are you really average? What makes you think you're average? 90% of men have had sex by early 20s. Average men have relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 06:05 PM
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I don't believe in the greek god trope Exactly, that's the point. He doesn't fit this trope. He might have a nice face but he's less attractive than at least 20% of men on raw looks alone. He still slays. It's the whole package: his music, his performances on stage, his swagger, his ease with women, his personality, the interactions he has with them over those few weeks (he doesn't just fuck them behind the stage 5 min after the show), etc. I have never met one who is financially successful Migh…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 06:01 PM
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Isn't this sub more than fighting each other? It is when people engage with the first comment in good faith, which you didn't. I didn't expect to have to call you out this hard. but your first comment was a huge exageration. Don't do that dude Hyperbole for effect, but there was a clear point made that you ignored. attractive / confident guys are repulsed by insecurity, partly because they don't need his GF insecurity to feel more secured FFS that was the point. I just wanted you to either agree…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 05:54 PM
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Lol you blackpillers keep redefining Chad as "whatever that guy I'm jealous of looked like". If you're short, Chad is 6'3. If you're chubby or skinnyfat, Chad has 7% body fat. If he's short and out of shape but still gets laid, "oh it's just face and eyes". The hamster wheel's a-turnin to cover up how there are other factors at play.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 04:38 PM
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I'm an average guy. Are you? Average braincels poster =/= average guy
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 04:31 PM
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[Chads] are so hot that the women make up a whole persona for the guy Yet you give a counterexample to your own argument: I lived with a Chad. The dude was.. 5'6" or 7" and was not in amazing shape(I would consider it dad bod.) You think this pudgy midget was banging so many women based on pure looks? His overall persona (status, music, emotions, etc.) are what made him so hot and desired. Emotional connection =\= healthy emotional connection
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 04:27 PM
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my partner of seven years... having to take an STI test Girl, if he had an STI, you'd already have it by now. Too little too late. Even something minor like the clap (if the infection hadn't already resolved by itself and still showed up 7 years later) would be in your system long enough to potentially cause infertility and organ damage. This disease scare is just a veil for slut shaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 04:16 PM
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The incel identity is autists trying to win an internet argument and prove they're right instead of fixing their situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 04:10 PM
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Traditionalist vs MGTOW.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 03:51 PM
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Oh you mean that women you're already hooking up with don't like affection because they liken it to commitment rather than attraction? If you're fucking, she's already attracted. Her aversion to affection is different. Recurring hook-ups only work if neither of you catches feelings. She's worried affection means you've caught feelings (or that she might catch feelings). To keep hooking up, you need to maintain distance.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 03:49 PM
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They hear "attracted" = they like having sex with these men. "They like having sex with these men = I'll be one of those men and they'll have sex with me. This reminds me of some moron I went to college with. He heard chicks dig guys who play guitar, so he started playing guitar to pick up chicks. He was still ugly, poorly-groomed, shy, awkward, depressed and boring... so he kept striking out with women. He couldn't understand why the guitar wasn't a pussy-growing tree dropping free pussy everyw…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 03:42 PM
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Solipsism. TRP men are too solipsistic to realize the irony of calling out female solipsism while being blind to their own
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 03:36 PM
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Speaking of reading comprehension issues... you claimed I made a strawman I never made (in fact that claim was the strawman). Regarding why it's more a turn off for women I meant your previous comment completely failed to contradict or even address my initial argument, not that there is no simple reason why. You just pointed out everyone has varying levels of insecurities, which neither supported your original claim nor refuted my reasoning. Now you're supporting your original claim that women f…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 03:15 PM
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He thinks she friendzones guys because it looks like they want something too serious and she's not ready for commitment but she'd be DTF? Can his ego just not process the possibility that she's not attracted back?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 02:04 PM
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Everyone has insecurities about one thing or another in life. Speaking of strawmen... No one said people have no insecurities. Yes, everyone (male or female) has some insecurities. None of what you just said supports the argument that it's more of a turnoff for women or that men find insecurity cute.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 02:00 PM
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Who cares what some Oldcel has to say. Excerpts from the article itself are even better. looking toward a more equitable world in which women and other marginalized genders Way to marginalize other genders by not naming them, leaving them an inferior afterthought to cis-women. Have you even Lefted bro? She would later characterize this as Smith’s first attempt to gaslight her, by ignoring her and then making her feel that she had interpreted his lack of response incorrectly. TIL clarifying a tex…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 01:52 PM
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Insecurity might be cute for an omega starved of affection. He's used to being the one more interested, and it's refreshing to have the tables turned. Well-adjusted people find it annoying.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 12:44 PM
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u\Atlas_B_Shruggin
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 12:39 PM
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It's shite. 1) Assertiveness is not mutually exclusive from kindness. No need for a balancing act. Doing whatever she says and giving up anything for her needs is not the only way to be kind to a peer. That's just how your parents and teachers socialized you to be easy to control. Being a "good boy" is different from being good. 2) Women don't automatically see "affection" from men as a sign of commitment. Many see through it as a transparent attempt to get in their pants (NiceGuyTM). Others see…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 12:34 PM
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Can you translate it into neurotypical for the rest of us?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/18 12:26 PM
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I''ll look. Btw that's 45% of COLLEGE STUDENTS. Most things college students do in life is procrastinatory fucking around. College students are less likely than most adults to be seriously looking for relationships. That doesn't mean 45% of all Tinder users are like that...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/18 10:20 PM
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Where does the 70% number come from? There was no source linked.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/18 10:17 PM
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In other news the sky is blue.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/18 10:16 PM
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That's skewed by people who are afraid to admit to themselves they're "looking" (self-cope, mindset) because it would imply vulnerabilty and failure if they hadn't achieved their goals. The label scares them. They may not be "looking" but they'll still go on a date if something interesting comes up. It's like those guys who go to the club "just to drink and have a good time". They're not there with a specific linear goal in mind, because then they'd get all up in their heads, but you can bet you…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/18 10:13 PM
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He did say I got this from a TRP post.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/18 09:35 PM
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He said +4 points for someone who was a "nerfed" 4 (looksminned due to poor life choices), not +4 for someone "naturally disadvantaged". The autist, dwarf and burn victim are naturally disadvantaged 0s and 1s going up to 2s and 3s. I could buy that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/18 09:26 PM
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No, its used for sexual arousal. If men getting hurt or killed was used for sexual arousal instead of comedy, wouldn't you find that worse? It's not just mocking it but actually getting off on it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/18 08:40 PM
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Female pain is used for sexual effect though. See: hot girls as bait/victims in slasher films. Also: shit like forced blowjob porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 04:31 AM
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He's making a big deal about the looks filter because he used to be a 1/10 landwhale. For normal-looking people it's pretty flexible on looks. She doesn't have to find you aesthetically super attractive for the other factors to matter, just not repulsive. If you're over 300 lbs it goes without say that looks are going to rule you out... well to most people with common sense. Redpillers need to say it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/18 04:28 AM
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For STR and casual, always use protection and get tested yourself every 6-12 months. Don't drop your guard because of a clean test. Most people don't use dental dams, but if you're using them before testing then keep using them after too. Throat cancer sounds nasty. It's not the safest method, but it's the best risk-reward balance if you want to enjoy casual sex. Just accept that casual sex is a high-risk activity like drug use and binge drinking. It's fucking fun, but the fun comes with health …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 09:54 PM
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Who the fuck are you talking to?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 09:26 PM
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That would be an old test issue. No, you didn't understand. She fucked Chad last month. She got tested this week. New test. The test will miss some big ones (e.g. HIV, Herpes, Hepatitis) due to the incubation period. Some take 3-6 months after transmission before the test can catch them. What strains do they not test for? There are over 100 strains of HPV. Condoms reduce but don't prevent transmission. Most people have at least one strain. Most infections are harmless and resolve on their own, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 09:21 PM
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Now it's just semantics. You could equally argue "she goes for the best personality who doesn't otherwise disqualify himself (e.g. by being ugly)". "Who doesn't otherwise disqualify himself" buys too much wiggle room. Where do you practically distinguish which part of her subconscious reaction was the first filter and which part was the second filter? You're assuming a priori it is the way you want it to be, then rationalizing from there. Your 100% looks-only first filter lacks evidence. More li…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 07:51 PM
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Before you said: Women go for the best looking guy they can get. Now you're accepting my counterexample, admitting that was wrong. Just want to get that on record. a 4 likely would not have. Notice I said 7 and not 2. No one here is arguing incels can slay like Chad. That's such a moronic strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 07:37 PM
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No lying. No cheating. No old test. You can still get an STI. It's less likely but possible. People are so fucking naive about how STI tests work. They're not a green light you're 100% disease-free. They're just tests. Some diseases have an incubation period. All tests can have False Negatives. Finally, a routine test only screens for a few common culprits, not every communicable disease in existence. If she had a recent partner before you or she had something they don't test for, she could have…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 07:27 PM
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She's RP so it's not even BP saying it. Women go for the hottest option. But "hot" is defined by the feeling in her loins, not some objective measure of aesthetics. That feeling comes from multiple factors, not only looks. In the end sometimes they dump the Looks9 for the Looks7.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 07:01 PM
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you can build up some trust. I didn't mean lying. You can read the test results and still get an STI from her. The clean test somewhat reduces but does not eliminate your chance. The condom helps too, but oral leaves you exposed. I meant if we wanted to go get tested together "Let's both get tested for peace of mind." Most women would be OK with that, though she may not feel comfortable going to the clinic with you. She might prefer to go alone or with a friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 06:51 PM
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First impression is the first coarse screen. It's a mix of looks, presence, voice, style, status, context. Looks are important but even in that first pass there are other variables that modify your score. Evidence: Girls end up with guys they would have swiped left on Tinder (not BB). Those guys would not have made the pass on looks, but it wasn't over. Their overall first impression made the first pass. Evidence: Atlas finds Seth Rogen sexy in one of his films. There's no way Seth Rogen passes …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 06:47 PM
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If you thought things were going too slow (e.g. after the third date) how would you bring that up? She does. In that scenario usually what happens is the guy tries to escalate sexually, she pulls back and says to slow down. Then either she explains why or you ask her about her expectations. If you know her expectations are different than yours, you dump her and move on. If you wanted to get tested, how would you bring that up, also? "Have you been tested lately? I was last month and here are my …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 06:37 PM
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Downplaying relative to what? Are they claiming looks are only 5%? 10%? Or just saying "looks are less important than a lot of guys think"? This is a "glass half empty" vs "glass half full" thing. You're both looking at the same fucking 50%-filled glass but applying a different perspective. One of you is up-playing it because you're convinced others aren't acknowledging how much looks matter, while the other is down-playing it in reaction to people who give up hope because they're ugly. BluePill…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 06:25 PM
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Well, on my course, I have not noticed it happening very often at all. Do you socialize much on campus? How do you know what others are doing? How could you distinguish between knowing it doesn't happen and failing to notice things that happen often? I do not know which student women are into me You'd have the same problem dating promiscuous women your own age, or whatever other demographic you want to target. How does that make targeting younger students a worse strategy? You find out by approa…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 06:19 PM
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Is this PatheticLifeform's new account? Who the fuck is that? There might be religious people willing to... There might be non-religious people who... Yeah but the point is they would talk about it. She wouldn't just say "I'm looking for a relationship" and then glue her lips shut for the next month. She'd talk about her religion and values and background in the first dates. Even if she'd marry non-religious, she'd ask about your values and say her expectations (e.g. no sex until marriage). Wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 06:10 PM
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Without that baseline experience, it's 100 times harder to date. Yeah, for me experience was a huge edge. Point is undergrads commonly socialize with older students. You're close enough to be the same age group. Get out and socialize more. If I'm not likely to find a woman that's like that I'm not likely to have that experience in the first place. What does "not likely" mean to you? Needle in a haystack? According to the CDC about 12% of undergrad women are still virgins. At elite schools like M…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 05:58 PM
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A person with those religious values would also ask you about your religion and values in more depth early on. Even if you said you wanted a relationship, she wouldn't fuck you after the third date. If you tried, she'd state her values and expectations. She'd ask you about plans for marriage and family. You would be honest, say your values don't match, and both move on. You wouldn't get laid. She wouldn't get led on. You're assuming statements like "I'm looking for a relationship" exist in a vac…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 05:45 PM
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My postgrad experience has not been that the undergraduates generally socialise with us, no. I don't know where people get this idea that we are like these elites or something. In grad school I fucked so many undergrads, while in freshman year I struck out more often. 19-20 year old girls get sick of guys their own age. Guys a few years older are seen as more mature, masculine, intelligent and confident. Yet because you're a student they don't expect you to pay. No because it might be a smaller …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 05:33 PM
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"I'm looking for a relationship" ----> looking for an STR "I'm looking for a relationship" --> looking for anything from STR to LTR. You + Her could be 2 dates, 3 dates, STR, or LTR. "I'm looking for commitment" ----> looking for an LTR I said "I'm looking for a long-term commitment" --> looking for LTR. The difference is the explicit use of "long-term". Or "marriage".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 05:13 PM
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"I'm looking for" is different than "I'm committing to." "Looking" is searching and evaluating, not deciding yet. It doesn't specify the person. It can mean "I eventually want a relationship that will last, but you may not be the one I want it with, I don't know yet." How do you honestly communicate you want a relationship that will last? "I'm looking for marriage". Or "I'm looking for a long-term commitment." That still doesn't specify a person and leaves both of you outs to break up. How do yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 04:59 PM
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Key word: typically. Your friend's experience is very likely to be outlier. No there are many girls like her. You're too black and white about "traditional". Let's call her category Semi-Traditional: conservative about dating/sex, but goes to college, has career plans, and doesn't require a provider. Lots of girls like that. people mostly like to date within their own age group 20 and 26 is (at the limits). Especially if you both work together or go to the same college, you could be compatible a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 04:44 PM
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The data only tells you who they'd swipe on an app. Behavior on apps differs from attraction IRL. They have different dimensions to evaluate, so the importance of each dimensions changes. It'd be like comparing dating behavior blindfolded or earplugged. Women make different choices when influenced by the platform's constraints.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 04:35 PM
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Most reasonable justification I've heard. AWALT is not a scientific claim about the state of women, but a heuristic that helps men adopt mindsets and strategies that promote success. Unfortunately the latest TERP population had so many spergs and incels treating it as literal truth instead of a heuristic.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 04:26 PM
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If all these things are outliers Their rationalization is not that they're outliers. They think they're beta cucks. If they see a real world exception, he's gotta be paying for her and she'd cheat on him with Chad. Of course they don't dig into the details to verify this... it's assumed from ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 04:23 PM
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Dude, those sorts of guys are ATTRACTIVE. Because of status, not looks. A lot of frat bros I partied with in college were average schlubs. Status counts for a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 04:19 PM
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What did they say? What was the context? Were they on PPD/reddit, or people outside the pillosphere (e.g. parents, religious community)?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 04:06 PM
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In your own example, Smurf was explaining that looks do matter to some degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 03:51 PM
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BluePill does not claim looks are 0% of attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 03:38 PM
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You're proving my butthurt argument too. Calm down Lewis. Look, your own example disproved your argument. Smurf's comment explained how looks were a factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 03:32 PM
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The problem with these discussions is "a lot" and "matters" are subjective and mean different things to different people. Unless you start defining things concretely (e.g. looks are 70% of attraction vs looks are 35% of attraction), it'll be people yelling over each other over and over too stupid too realize you're just interpreting the vague terms differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 03:29 PM
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Don't get so butthurt. It's about being over-literal and failing to understanding context or apply common sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 03:26 PM
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You just proved my autism argument. Can you understand context? She's not saying looks are 0%. She said some average guys can use charisma to overcome their looks, but 2/10 men can't. The implication is that looks aren't everything, they aren't nothing either, they are one of many factors.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 03:23 PM
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No, women are children, cannot use logic, lie about your desires, and don't know what you want. Only virgins on TRP know what women really want! Thought experiments have the real answers!
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 03:17 PM
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"How you come off" is an overall impression that includes many things, including looks but not ONLY looks. Atlas said she found fucking Seth Rogen sexy in 40 year old virgin but not most of his movies. It was the overall impression of his character, not raw looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 03:13 PM
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--being autistic morons (Hi Bigger D) He took too long so I said it for him Blue Pillers are going to tell you, OP, that they don't say this. Prove that Bluepill does say it. Show sources and citations.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 03:07 PM
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The strawman's always missing brains. No one of any pill said "looks don't matter". They're saying "looks aren't everything". Are you autists incapable of understanding something that's affected by multiple factors? Either it's 100% looks or 0% looks? FFS.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 03:05 PM
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Bro I'm 31 now so you're just making it even easier for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 03:00 PM
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The average 25 year old male makes 25k a year, can't do a his own laundry and wears a warddrobe of jeans, oily hoodies that smell like pot, and lives in an apartment that gets cleaned once every 6 months and has a tower of lucky lager cans in his living room. Lol by your standards I was a top 5% 25 year old. Call me Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 02:56 PM
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"End up with" for marriage? Just to date? For short-term, IDGAF about kids. I'm not legally bound to pay for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 02:05 PM
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That women who have NSA sex are engaging in promiscuous behaviour. Sex in a Short-Term Relationship is relationship sex, not NSA sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 01:48 PM
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Do you want the full essay?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 01:39 PM
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That's it? Bro, talk to me when you meet one who doesn't know how to control where her teeth are
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 01:34 PM
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Lol yes it is. What do you think the phrase "I'm looking for a relationship" means? What kind of commitment do you think is implied?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 01:01 PM
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You've made up all these rules in your head based on fiction, not fact or real life. Dating traditional girls like your friend's girlfriend long-term typically means you end up being a provider He didn't have money at the time. Now they both work. If she's in college and pursuing a career, she's still going to work. Younger girls don't date older men unless they're sugar daddies That's when the age gap is bigger (e.g. she's 20 and he's 30-45). 22 with 25 is not sugar daddy. There's an acceptable…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 12:49 PM
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Bad bot
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 03:18 AM
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Yeah but I'm just talking about in a social / dating context where men are always expected to buy everything for women 95% of the time. That's what gets to me. False. IRL it's not 95% of the time. This expectation comes from theory, not the real world. If you had more dating experience or friends with dating experience, you would know this to be false.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 01:08 AM
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I'm just saying, the longer we're dating the more likely it is for her to exert traditionalist pressures on me for paying for shit. False. The opposite happens. Normally even when guys pay for the first few dates in the "wooing stage", in "relationship stage" it defaults to 50-50.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 01:06 AM
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You don't either. You're still in mid 20s, not 30s or 40s like some guys in those ForeverAlone documentaries. You're young. They really know what it's like for it to be over. It's all relative. You're just stuck seeing the glass half-empty. A friend was a virgin at 26. He was insecure about his inexperience but didn't feel as emasculated and degraded as you. He just enjoyed his life, had fun with his friends, advanced his career, and worked on himself. Then he met a hot 20 year old Christian gir…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/18 12:18 AM
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Yeah it really is for experienced "normies". It's not intuitive to SRUGMs and virgins. The subtext of dating is confusing to newbies. You go on 2 dates. You both say "I'm looking for a relationship" honestly and mean it, but there's still a 95% chance you'll break up soon. You're still getting to know each other. As you spend more time together, one of you probably gets sick of the other, or you discover your lifestyles are not compatible. You might end things. She might end things. There are a …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 11:35 PM
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You don't have to say it explicitly. When you say "I'm looking for a relationship" with a "normie" experienced woman, here's what the subtext says: I want to see you again, not just pump-and-dump you once I like you as a person, not just a masturbatory aid or body to fuck there's a 95% chance things will end in a few weeks or few months and that's OK, because things don't always work out That's all subtext and implicitly understood. You don't need to tell her in advance you're ending it. She alr…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 09:00 PM
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Well put it this way, if a virgin man said his n-count and his potential promiscuous partner felt comfortable with that and said hers, things could still get going if it was just a casual encounter. No they couldn't. People don't talk about this stuff before casual encounters. It kills the mood for both, even if N is normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 08:48 PM
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Wasted why? The sex wasn't fun enough to be worth the time and effort? Relationships didn't give you any fulfilment or joy?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 08:38 PM
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Does it really matter at all? I enjoy sex and relationships. Do you not?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 08:35 PM
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tl;dr - Spergs sperg
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 08:34 PM
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If your plan is a short-term relationship that ends, that is being honest. They don't assume a relationship is supposed to last forever so there's nothing dishonest about starting a relationship even if you want to end it later. She might even break up with you before you end it! Women end relationships too. If you get attached, then you're the one who wants to be with her, so why is that a bad thing? If it's the feeling of sexual inadequacy, she may just dump you and then it's easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 08:26 PM
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He will use his magics to set the Balrog ablaze
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 08:10 PM
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You just don't understand how relationships work, maybe due to inexperience. April 3rd: You have intent to commit. You start a relationship Jul 5th: It isn't working so you break up. That's normal, not leading her on, not using her for sex, and nothing to feel guilty about. Hell she might dump you before that. A "relationship" isn't indefinitely binding. It's intent to explore, but you're both free to break up at any time. The only binding commitment is a marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 08:08 PM
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Women need to disassociate "rape" and "sex" in their minds in order to not hate sex. For her the experience of "rape" is so violent and traumatic, the opposite of sexy and arousing, and about victimization and loss of her power. Solipsism leads her to project the complementary feelings on the man: he's trying to gain power, but it's not about sex. That solipsism serves an important psychological defense. She wants "sex" and "rape" compartmentalized, those feelings completely separate. Otherwise …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 07:58 PM
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could potentially risk lifelong commitment... if he is contractually bound (gets married and has kids) If you're scared of that risk, don't marry her. Simple. You're not bound by any contracts you don't sign. is guilt-tripped into staying with someone (instead of being a "fuckboy") Are you handcuffed to the bed? No? Then walk out. Grow a spine and leave. Guilt trips and namecalling shouldn't change your decision. No one should ever stay in a relationship out of guilt. e.g. if he falls in love, g…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 07:44 PM
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Gandalf's staff can handle the deepest pits of Moria
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 07:36 PM
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To follow Jesus
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 07:30 PM
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That is literally the farthest possible from the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 07:23 PM
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if you sleep with people outside of a relationship, you're being promiscuous. Not quite. The problem is you're defining "relationship" differently than social norms. A relationship could last only a few months, with intention to go longer, but they don't click. Sex within that relationship is not considered promiscous. Sex at the beginning of that relationship is not promiscuous either. Scenario: A girl goes on a few dates with a guy. There is no formal commitment (e.g. an engagement ring this e…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 07:10 PM
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The ones who were promiscuous but "just not like that anymore" The "ones"? FFS, that was ONE person. You can't generalize from a single answer to a whole group. the ones who are promiscuous now will not typically fuck virgins Based on thread responses, almost half will as long as you just act normal and hookup, without emotional neediness. Others actually prefer virgins because they're easier to teach. if he'd have wanted non-committal sex he would have had to lie to get it. ​That's not a virgin…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 06:59 PM
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By "too powerful" I really thought you meant physically. Like you'd desensitized yourself with vibrators and sex, needed a hard pounding from a big cock that knows what it's doing. Not emotional aftermath... shit...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 06:45 PM
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Maybe high-functioning on the spectrum? That's one possible case. This isn't about any specific guy. Who knows why they're virgins.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 06:04 PM
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Lol don't be ridiculous. Example: She initially finds him hot. They go back to his place. They're making out and he awkwardly fumbles at some light petting. Some mannerisms may stand out: he doesn't know how to unhook a bra, he looks shocked when he sees her breasts (never seen any before), he's touching her awkwardly not really escalating or turning her on. Or maybe they get further, but once they get naked he can't find her clit and can't get her pussy wet. At that point, would she be turned o…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 05:53 PM
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Would you be as willing to teach if it was a casual ONS with a stranger? Not a relationship or some ongoing FWB situation with a close friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 05:43 PM
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Getting laid won't redeem it. Those feelings of inadequacy you'd have in a relationship... you'd feel inadequate without one too. You might think if you can live Chad's life you'd finally feel adequate, but it's never enough. There's always Chadlier to go. Anorexics don't magically stop thinking they're fat when they shrink down to 18 BMI. Inadequacy persists. If those feelings are the problem, then you need to tackle those head-on. See a therapist. Or find some other way to work on your confide…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 04:47 AM
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Or find an inexperienced girl or Dom. Or get a relationship... where she's more willing to coddle your feelings about virginity, take things slow, and show you what to do. Most women prefer relationships and will only engage in casual sex under very specific conditions, hoping the guy will get her off or fill some inner void. Limiting yourself to casual sex with strangers is ruling out most women. You're trying to make the football team before learning how to throw a football.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 04:39 AM
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What I'm trying to show you is it's not just about virginity. You want to lose it in a very specific rigid way: casual sex with a stranger, not open to friendships or relationships, with someone of "equal" attractiveness (in your eyes), being open about the virginity, slowing things down, not being a beta bux. Those conditions create even more barriers than virginity. Many women are open to fucking virgins if you don't add all your caveats. Most "normies" didn't lose our virginity in the ideal i…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 04:35 AM
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You're getting too triggered to see the real words.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 04:27 AM
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That's what I thought. You seemed pretty open to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 04:17 AM
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The only ones who said they'd do it mainly said so only within the confines of a relationship I wonder who was arguing that in a previous debate... or if he employed "don't ask don't tell" Because people don't declare N count before casual sex. They just fuck. It's TMI. For some acting abnormal is the turnoff (signals low social skills). For others it's the burden of taking his virginity after so many years, it being this big emotional deal, and him turning clingy, which no one wants in casual. …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 04:16 AM
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You're reading between the lines too much, missing the real lines. They don't all feel the same way. Some insulted virgins. Others didn't. Some will do it. Others won't. Often the reason is practical (inexperience, not wanting the emotional baggage), not thinking he's a bad person. There are barriers to what you seek beyond stigma. Some won't do casual with ANY guy, not just virgins. Some wouldn't help a stranger lose virginity but would for a friend. Others would do it with a virgin in a relati…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 03:48 AM
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Here's a summary of the responses. Yes: 3 Yes only if he didn't disclose or make a big deal: 7 Wouldn't have casual with anyone: 4 No to virgin: 6 No one said virgins are bad people who deserve to stay fuckless. Lack of skill, whether it's emotionally a big deal to you, and "why wouldn't anyone else fuck him?" make many girls hesitate. But not all. Many don't care if you don't bring it up and just have a fun experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 03:20 AM
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Revolts them because reasons: inexperience = bad sex or hidden red flags.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 03:06 AM
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The rest of it is undoubtedly about me. No it's also about incels and TRP and the various other virgins trying to get laid through casual sex, not considering relationships because they don't want to be "beta bux". Don't make everything about you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 03:04 AM
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When I brought up Good Men, that comment was about you. An inexperienced girl said she's be very open to it. I thought of you, that should be your target demographic. The rest wasn't just about you. It's about the general issue of what all these sexually frustrated inexperienced men should do, including incels. Can virgins lose it through casual sex? Should they do PUA and just hide they're virgins? Have relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 02:59 AM
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They're not berating you personally. They're answering the question in the abstract, reacting to the general idea of casual sex with a virgin. Clearly many do not want to casually fuck a virgin because of reasons. Others don't mind. Salty Bastard is probably the only one who drew the connection with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 02:56 AM
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It wasn't on your behalf. I was asking a question in general to PPD. It relates to our debate, but was also a general question.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 02:48 AM
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Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 02:47 AM
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The question was for women, not me. What would you do? Why do you think it's shit sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 02:47 AM
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Define "successful"? I've probably gotten laid on the first date more often when I didn't pay than when I did pay. If money's her tipping point, she wasn't that attracted to you in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 02:45 AM
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My "first dates" are a drink or coffee, not dinner or some expensive activity. Usually we pay for ourselves. Sometimes I've paid for both (e.g. she's younger, broke college student). Sometimes I buy one round and she buys the next round. A couple times the girl paid for the whole thing (usually if there's a price differential, like she got expensive cocktails while I had cheap beer). Who gives a fuck about 1-2 drinks? I buy drinks for men as often. How broke are you guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 02:39 AM
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Return with both story and cupcakes. Don't leave us hanging.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 02:29 AM
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shrug
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 02:02 AM
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Blackpill has arrived!
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 02:01 AM
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Why would the knowledge change your decision? Can you elaborate?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 01:55 AM
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For you it would only be with a friend and if he didn't make a big deal of it?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 01:10 AM
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I don't know. You tell me. That's why it's a Question 4 Women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 01:09 AM
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This one example from one guy about one poorly-defined situation clearly shows how this ENTIRE group of people are not credible about ANY claim they make. And THEY are the intellectually dishonest ones About that...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 01:03 AM
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He's not interested in a relationship. He's only looking for casual sex, picking up strangers.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 12:38 AM
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Purely on a physical level and without knowing anything about the person. The problem is female attraction IRL doesn't work like that. On the internet, based on photos alone and no information about the person, of course they're going to be shallow and pick the hottest fittest guys with the biggest dicks. IRL they have a lot more variables to consider.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 12:37 AM
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In this case he doesn't tell you. You might be able to infer his inexperience once the action starts.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 12:26 AM
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*Good Men, not incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 12:23 AM
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Alternate scenario: He used to be unfuckable but radically self-improved. He's hot, acts normal, fakes confidence, and pretends he knows what he's doing (but once things start it becomes obvious he doesn't have a clue). Would you just fuck him anyway and enjoy it enough because he's hot? Fuck him but regret it? Change your mind and leave?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 12:23 AM
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Makes sense. So the incels should look for late bloomers and femcels?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 12:13 AM
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Fewer than half of people (47%) think it's OK for someone to withdraw consent Approximately half of people are male and half of people are female. I would feel somewhat disappointed if a girl got undressed and then withdrew consent... Cock-teasing me will never be "OK I'd be disappointed but consider it OK. Her choice. IDGAF. Frustrating, but it's not like it'd be hard to get my rocks off another time. If I was naked but too drunk to get it up, I wouldn't want to be obliged to go down on her jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 12:07 AM
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why is he TELLING me hes a virgin? He wants to go slow and talk things out. Maybe he's nervous? ASD aversion to touch? Or not sure about what he's doing? The usual reasons? Women told me when they were virgins. if hes fuckable hes fuckable, i cant see how a man id find fuckable stayed a virgin that long Ain't that the question. Assuming he was and you found out, would that change his fuckability (i.e. would you expect the quality of sex to be worse, or would that not matter much if he was hot an…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/18 11:53 PM
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If you knew he was a virgin, how would that change your response? If it was a stranger picking you up (Tinder, bar, street pickup), would you be less willing to go for it even if he was hot and fun?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/18 11:45 PM
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Question seems moot unless you mean MRP. These guys have no interest in fixing relationships. They're spinning plates.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/18 11:44 PM
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are just fat and flabby lowest common denominators More like the average "dad"-aged man in the US. More than half are overweight or obese. Thinking those are the "lowest common denominator" supports the incel position that most men are invisible to women (so that you don't even realize that's the norm, not the lowest). Stop supporting the incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/18 10:51 PM
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A lot of the time being "social" ... is just codeword for betabuxxing "Social" doesn't mean be a supplicant betabuxx. Masculine traits can be pro-social. Picture team sports, camraderie in a military infantry unit, or a college frat party. A socially-skilled guy should be able to bond with and command the respect of other men. It's good to also demonstrate empathy and respect to women, but don't forget the masculine component of social skills. an abusive husband who has children in a 1 year marr…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/18 10:38 PM
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Everyone had to start from a position of inexperience In a relationship. Or casual with other inexperienced people (high school, college). Even playing field. You're expecting it in a late-in-life casual encounter with an experienced woman. That's not even. In a relationship it's different. If you don't get her off this time, she can teach you. You can learn and may get better. There's a payoff for her down the line. With casual, if you fail to please her that's it, she's never getting anything …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/18 10:13 PM
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Successful enough to have children in some cases, though. You can have children in a 1-year marriage LOL. Sexually successful but not romantically successful, unless you have a warped view of romantic success. Yes but this conversation was not about them which is why I ignored your point. I brought up "normies" to show that it's not just anti-social traits being "rewarded" with success. Social traits also lead to success. The implication is this: if SRUGMs believe anti-social traits are bad for …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/18 09:47 PM
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She's slowing down and listening/talking so that we both have an understanding of each other and can have a good time. And when you get excited, are you slowing down too? Are you listening too? Even if you are, her having a good time is a question of expertise, not just sensitivity. You'll have a good time but she won't. How is that fair for a casual encounter? but some men can be naturally good at sex Possible but unlikely. There are some genetic components, but ultimately there's a learning cu…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/18 09:43 PM
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Or they are just interested in hooking up. There's quite a few abusive men who get into relationships as well. Get into but cannot sustain. Like that "Henry" guy from the blog, 5 ex-wives. They leave a wake of destruction. Those aren't successful romances. Those are insecure women getting battered and bruised in terrible short-lasting marriages. outsiders being sexually / romantically successful I never said outsiders. I said "normies", i.e. most normal men without Dark Triad traits. There's amp…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/18 09:28 PM
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because guys that are reciprocal and sensitive are tossed to the wolves. Are they? How do SRUGMs know they're reciprocal and sensitive if they've never been in the situation? Intent is different from action. People may think they'll do one thing and end up doing something else. Women complain about sensitive guys failing to reciprocate too! He may listen to her feelings and attempt foreplay, but be unable to get her wet or find her clit or know what to do with it. She'll be complaining about tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/18 09:12 PM
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Are there dark-triad narcissists with anti-social traits who are sexually and socially successful? Yes. But that doesn't mean we live in a world where anti-social=successful and social/asocial=unsuccessful. Most "normie" men are sexually, romantically and socially successful. Also I disagree the Dark Triad guys are romantically successful. These men have high N because they struggle to maintain a single genuine romance. Their relationships fall apart in flames. Some have status-based marriages, …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/18 09:06 PM
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Actually, it's based on negative make out experience I have had. Make out singular? One bad experience? Or how many? It's not too much of a stretch to imagine that You're extrapolating to all women from... one experience? 2? Yes, that is too much of a stretch. That's a fallacy. Most hookups aren't like that. Maybe she was inexperienced too, or maybe she was a bad lay. Also, if the ones that aren't like that only ever go home with non-reciprocal non-sensitive lovers I said she gives more than the…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/18 08:52 PM
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I said that anti-social people should be. No you said asocial. If you misspoke and got the two mixed up, don't be so preachy about the definition. This whole confusion arose because your own position was presented incorrectly. I went to anti-social instead, trying to give you the benefit of the doubt that SRUGMs were not asocial if you didn't want asocial people to procreate, otherwise your position would have been logically inconsistent. No, they are asocial. They are often anti-social and not …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/18 08:41 PM
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And women who think they can derive pleasure from casual sex from anybody by star fishing and being non-reciprocal are delusional. They're not starfishing. They're reciprocating sex acts and physical shit. Most women actually give more in casual sex than they get, so your idea of this non-reciprocal shit is delusion based on lack of experience. However, in a casual encounter most women aren't going to be patient with your sexual inexperience and lack of skill while you figure out how it works. T…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/18 08:27 PM
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If your argument is that SRUGMs are actually asocial, not anti-social, you're shooting yourself in the foot. You said yourself that asocial people should be stopped from procreating to prevent social decline, so by your own argument SRUGMs should be left to be alone and without sex or women. Isolated outsiders with no friends are often anti-social, not asocial. They don't fit in with the rest. They stand out as abnormal in social interaction. Asocial people choose to be alone and tend not to sel…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/18 07:58 PM
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The point is, you're saying I should be discouraged (i.e. shamed) for pursuing sexual relations You should be encouraged to keep pursuing sexual relations. I said you have nothing to offer women for casual sex. They can find better. There's no gain for them. Getting a girlfriend is a more effective way for guys like you to have sexual relations. A lot of it depends on the woman's attitude herself and how reciprocal she is. Those women want relationships, not casual sex. TRP has no delusions they…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 10:19 PM
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Which can happen with anyone. Much more likely for novices because your body isn't used to it. You learn control with practice. All hypothetical and true regardless of experience. For most guys it's worse the first time and vastly improves with experience. Learning curve. The thing is emotional connections grow and become more ingrained That's a risk with any interactions, even casual sex. Women can catch feelings and guilt you. clearly what they like is smooth, socially calibrated dominance. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 09:48 PM
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That's just what attraction feels like.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 09:24 PM
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Done everything from LTRs to drunken hookups to poly, with more women than I can remember (60? 70?). Paying was never a big deal. I think it's one of those "nice to have" on-paper things that women talk about wanting, but on a real date those checklist requirements get tossed the wayside for real chemistry. people are typically the most gracious and polite the first few dates There are other ways to show effort and manners than dishing out cash. but I have never heard it spoken well about a man …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 09:19 PM
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Just LOL @ a community that needs a step-by-step manual on basic teasing and flirting "Last Minute Resistance." Lol, when a girl's attracted to you, not just bored and ambivalent, you're fucking swatting them away. The only resistance is me saying "hold your horses, I need to grab a rubber".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 08:52 PM
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Everybody starts out a virgin and I don't believe the first time has to be awkward and horrible experience. You won't know what you're doing. Your body won't be used to the sensations (you might not be able to keep it up, or you might blow your load too fast). It's a learning curve. None of us start off knowing how to please a woman. It's learned through experience. It may not be horrible, but probably awkward and unsatisfying. If the women practice what they preach about sensitivity and recipro…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 08:42 PM
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maybe 70% for sports. Tell that to the 5'2 balding Indian janitors in the NBA Its called science and articles. You mean "social science" and "psychology"? That's not real science. There are dozens of glaring flaws in their study designs. Human behavior is not well measured by statistics, because humans are not independent and identically distributed widgets on a manufacturing line and humans aren't interacting in controlled experiments. Because of the major flaws in their methods, those study co…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 08:31 PM
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Genes matter for both sports and SMP, but they're not 100% for either. Regardless, how would sub-human genes know what works in the SMP?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 08:19 PM
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What do you desire? Sex? Or using the other person for sex without giving anything back? One is sexuality, the other isn't. Discouraging the latter isn't shaming sexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 08:16 PM
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Every failed person of any sport/hobby says the same thing. "Muh genes".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 08:14 PM
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I stop fucking you
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 08:12 PM
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/s
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 08:10 PM
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As usual, you misunderstood the sub-text. There's no shame in your desires. They discourage pursuit of a 1-sided transaction of no benefit to the other party (casual sex, when you lack the skill to offer good sex and she's not that attracted to you). Surely Good Men who care about reciprocating are more virtuous than that!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 08:06 PM
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He's "good", the world is wrong for not realizing it, society is at fault for creating barriers to him getting laid even though he's a perfectly attractive man... but don't group him with the NiceGuys because there's no entitlement in his views.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 08:01 PM
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but how dare virgin men have sexual desires? No one said that. Did you even read bro? Calm down.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 07:57 PM
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She's not lying. It's something they want but not a sufficient condition. Just being reciprocative is not enough. You're drawing a false dichotomy between reciprocation and experience. It's not like that. They want lovers will all 3 qualities: reciprocative, experienced, capable of arousing her. Sometimes they're stuck with just the last 2. But they get frustrated with those guys. Trust me, when they find guys with all 3 they choose them over the non-reciprocative ones. The number of times I've …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 07:56 PM
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Then you don't have to have sex. Or use hookers and sex dolls. That's just why they discourage you from casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 07:52 PM
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Yeah his lack of humility is frustrating. He arrogantly shoots down all suggestions, claiming to know what's best and why things won't work, even though he has 0 past success and limited social intelligence. He fails to consider that if something didn't work for him, it could be because he didn't understand it or try it in good faith, not because it doesn't work. The PUAs have indoctrinated him so strongly that he's speaking from ideology, even though it never worked for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 07:50 PM
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How old are you and how rural/conservative is your area? Most millenials I know go into a date assuming the bill is split. It's never been an issue. If she's attracted and there's chemistry, she wants to see me again. That's what determines a second date, not if I check boxes on some list.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 07:48 PM
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Oh and plain common sense: people have to open their mouths to start a conversation. My comment was about what to say when you open your mouth, not that you shouldn't open your mouth. Come on now. Observation and experience Then you need more observation and experience. Go watch people interact. Typically there is some sort of context that initiates a conversation when there is no introduction I said from the start to use the context. For some reason you required a detailed explanation of how. B…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 07:36 PM
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I pointed out I am a reciprocative guy Necessary but not sufficient criterion. Women need arousal, skill and reciprocation all together (and possibly other things like an emotional connection). Reciprocation with bad skill when she's unaroused would not be fulfilling.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 06:37 PM
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When it is obvious that there are other requirements for women to be interested in sex with a particular man. His other post about his autistic qualities says he's over-literal and won't understand single bits of advice unless you're explicit about the entire context. Give him a break. Autism isn't easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 06:35 PM
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An incel's opinion on sexual success is like asking a man who's failed at fishing his whole life about fishing.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 06:32 PM
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"But my mommy told me I'm a Good Boy! These women are asking for Good Men, so they must mean me!"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 06:27 PM
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I have bought dinner for almost no women, and fucked a hell of a lot more than that. If you are buying dinner, you're doing dating wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 06:21 PM
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12/10 triggered. Women don't say no to Chad, that's just rude of her.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 06:20 PM
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Incels whine because they want to be the psychopaths that can get away with it instead of the psychopaths who are alone. Only Chad psychopaths are charming enough. In the realm of psychopathy, these abusers are the ideal so they envy them. At least they're realistic by only comparing to other psychopaths.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 06:18 PM
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They don't frown on you for wanting casual sex because of expectations of purity. They frown on you for only wanting casual sex and not being open to relationships, when you're more likely to be appealing for a relationship than you are for casual sex. You have nothing to offer her for casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 06:10 PM
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You didn't answer my question. Where do you get this information from? Did someone tell you? Do you just assume the world is this way? They normally begin with "hi". They normally know each other or have somehow been introduced to one another before hand. You literally can't escape this. No. Strangers can start talking without being introduced. They don't always even say "hi". Back when smoking was more common, one of the most common introductory lines was "do you have a light?" (before "hi" or …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 06:02 PM
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A casual sex partner is much more likely to judge you for your inexperience than a girlfriend. All she gets out of it is sex, not commitment, so if you're not already good at sex then there's nothing in it for her. If that inadequacy/insecurity complex is the issue then see a therapist for it? The partner won't care. Because it's a relationship, she'll be willing to be patient and work through it with you and help you be comfortable.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 05:21 PM
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Nobody just jumps straight into chit chat, how would that even work? You have to establish a connection, common interests and that kind of thing. You have to introduce her - she needs to know what your purpose is for speaking to her, etc., etc. Says who? What's your source? How do you know it to be true? People do it all the time. Depends on the context and execution. Do you want examples? What kind of explanation would help you understand? This still doesn't go anywhere close to answering my qu…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 05:17 PM
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It's just honesty. "Hi. I am talking to you now. See, my lips are moving. I am also breathing." That's also honest, no disguised intent. But can you see how that's a bad opener? There's no need to state those things because you've already communicated them nonverbally before you said them. It's redundant, awkward, and ineffective. You should demonstrate both honesty and social calibration at the same time, and your line doesn't do that. Again, you've got to say something to introduce yourself...…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 04:47 PM
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He's not Chad. Real men don't need the red pill to get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 04:18 PM
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I've literally never heard anybody ever use or recommend a better 'line' than that. How would you know what's better if you're unsuccessful? Would you recognize one if you saw it? What is true is that it doesn't have sexually charged content and it does not try to be cheesy or clever or funny LOL not pick-up lines. Regular fucking conversation. Any / most kind of approaches women creeps them out nowadays if you don't.. False. You underrate how easy it is for normal men to meet women. Your line a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 04:08 PM
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LOL how do you know anything about people fucking?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 03:51 PM
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I think the first problem is that we get little nuggets of standalone information and think that's the main or only thing we've got to do, which is not true You're spot on. Us "normies" and neurotypicals understand that it's implicit that you shouldn't only do the one thing as a standalone. The advice may be confusing for over-literal people who don't understand that context (e.g. autism spectrum). And yet, somehow it's more acceptable like this: because I've put everything into context I guess …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 03:36 PM
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For the above losers, yes it's much harder. If you just meet the average fitness and assertiveness of men from the 40s, it would be a fucking cakewalk. Pre-liberation it was so much harder for those men to get laid. Casual sex? Forget it. They had to put real effort into courting a girl and marry her, despite being far more masculine and attractive than most men today. We live in a fucking goldmine of opportunity, yet men waste it growing fat and jerking it to their vidya.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 03:05 PM
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Yes it was shorthand for something that's something of a mouthful especially in an already long text: "sexually / romantically unsuccessful good men". But you created the acronym SRUGM for that very reason. Just say SRUGM. If you say "Good Men", your message is inaccurate. Most good men do partner up with women. Anti-social men procreating is what causes social decline. My point exactly. You said SRUGMs are isolated outsiders, and many like you have no friends. Isolated outsiders with no friends…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 02:54 PM
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Your questions reflect you don't actually understand sexual dynamics and human relationships. If she's attracted and feels chemistry, that's all that matters. Millennials don't give a damn if you pay for the date or who supplies the condom, and not just if they're shooting out of their league. What she wants is that feeling. If you give her that, the rest of it is logistics. you did not pay for anything, including condoms, but she supplied her own Sometimes they provided condoms. Other times I d…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 02:40 PM
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Obesity is the reason it's so easy to get laid as a man. Most guys in the US are obese, skinny-fat, and/or passive whimps. Just being in shape and assertive puts you in the top percentile. The sexual market is so much easier for me than it was for my forefathers because the competition has dropped the fucking ball, with VidyaGTOW and porn and underemployment. I would be boringly average by past standards but slay in the 2010s. Just don't be a loser. It's that easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 02:09 PM
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Yes, women are less likely to sleep with you and think there is something weird or inhibited about your character if you don't offer and maybe even press a little to pay for the date. Says who? You're unsuccessful with women, so this is just your untested assumption right? I never pay and I can't even remember everyone I've fucked. You don't need to pay. The problem is that we live in a world where... The rest of us live in that same world, yet we're getting laid. Your social factors sound like …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 01:56 PM
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You get validated by attention from uggos? Incel?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 01:29 PM
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I am saying there are some Good Men who are unsuccessful, not all of them. Yet you say Good Men only referring to the unsuccessful ones. (e.g "but Good Men cannot"). False unless you ignore the many many successful good men. Anti-social =/= asocial Never said they were the same, don't evade. You think anti-social men procreating will solve social decline? Yes or no? FWIW many isolated men are asocial (e.g. incels). Not everybody who falls behind in dating is a would-be incel extremist. You said …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 01:24 PM
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Then you don't know how to do C properly
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 12:43 PM
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Good - Gave a girl multiple orgasms Bad - Kept flirting with some other girl, leading her on, and I'll probably end up hurting her
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 05:04 AM
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Pop Quiz. How do you get her to do what you want in bed? Post on TheRedPill forums Slip her the r. pill Learn to satisfy her needs and once she's turned on and pleased she'll be willing to do almost anything to reciprocrate
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 04:58 AM
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"How the RedPill made me worse with women" - Tales from a Norman Terp is only appealing to incels, feminist-haters and spergs. For normal people it's actually a reduction in skill.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 04:56 AM
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We might see the requirement for men to pay for dates as sexist Men don't have to pay. Have you even been on a date? we say that men have positive traits to bring to the table in dating and may have great, developed characters and an ambition to genuinely change the world Most men like that are not unsuccessful in dating. Why are SRUGMs? What's different about SRUGMs that leads to the isolation? Looks? Social maladaptation? women have sexual desire too and that there is nothing wrong with pursui…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 04:51 AM
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but Good Men cannot Good men are already marrying and procreating in large numbers. Or is "Good Men" is some jargon you use to refer to Outsiders and unsuccessful men? By conflating "good" with "unsuccessful", are you implying no sexually successful men are good or virtuous? Those other good men who are dating or married don't count? Only Outsiders have virtue? No one else is good? as well as social decline when asocial men can pass on their genes So to solve this you want asocial and/or anti-so…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 04:09 AM
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They can't even banter naturally, they have to use "amuse and amplify techniques" like it's some sort of parking maneuver instead of a freaking organic social exchange between people like, jesus, do you need a manual to tell a joke, too? au·tism noun a mental condition, present from early childhood, characterized by difficulty in communicating and forming relationships with other people and in using language and abstract concepts.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 02:29 AM
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If that's what this "shit test" thing is - normal human teasing and banter - then you have confirmed SpergPill is the spergiest of spergs. No one else would need to give it a jargony title and dedicate essays to navigating them. It's basic human interaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 01:37 AM
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Too veiny. And red to the core.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 01:30 AM
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I am 42: the answer to the universe. Why are you not only answering inane questions, but now obsessing over the optimal answer?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 01:28 AM
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As a result of this no western woman wants to be with a decent upstanding gentleman... It is the decent men who will bear her wrath.. What cope. Internet trolls lacking the self-awareness and social intelligence to realize they're not "upstanding gentlemen" or "decent men". The "upstanding gentlemen" and "decent men" partner up young, get married, and father children. Western women are all over these high-RMV men. The ones they avoid are ugly bitter omegas. Do stupid assholes knock up a bunch of…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 01:21 AM
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Relevant parts highlighted. I've been mocked and ridiculed some unattractive guy like me get rid of several friends and also stop talking to people at work I don't understand why ... society will always respect the handsome, successful men those chads
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 12:51 AM
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Like most bitter incels, he fanboy fantasizes about Chad's Thundercock
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 12:45 AM
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people who will never get over not having been popular in high school. That's how Webster's dictionary defines Pick Up Artist.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 12:41 AM
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FFS. The rape accusation is secondary. The bigger point is about his character and integrity, to get a lifetime appointment on the fucking Supreme Court. Did you all forget Bill Clinton lost the presidency over a fucking consensual BJ? A lil office head. That's it. "I did not have sexual relations with that woman." As soon as he lied about it, his integrity was done. For public figures in the highest positions of power, the standard should be higher than for the average Joe. Can anyone here cons…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 12:32 AM
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Speak for yourself. Even for men there's only limited validation from having so many women want to jump your bones. And it's the ones you don't want anyway. It's always the awkward landwhale who aggressively gropes you at the party, not the model. It's always the emotionally-unstable NiceGurlTM who messages you 100 times and doesn't take a hint when you say "let's just be friends". There's nothing gendered about this. Low quality attention is not validating for anybody.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 12:03 AM
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Edit: if you downvote, at least explain where you disagree. They disagree because they're old r/TheDonald men and your point of view makes them feel bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/17 02:32 PM
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Assault and murder are often impulse crimes. Are you arguing there is no point in imprisoning for these? Sometimes the knowledge that we can get punished for acting on impulse can help us teach ourselves to restrain and control our impulses better. Some guys will still punch the other asshole in the bar, but others do stop and think "fuck, I don't want a criminal record" and back down. Source: have done that. Humans can be taught impulse control. Not with 100% success rate, but with enough succe…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/17 11:38 PM
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Why would imprisoning not help? It's the go-to treatment for selfish "bad things" that could happen a lot IRL unregulated. We imprison for murder, theft, fraud... Do you not think that achieves a purpose either?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/17 12:58 PM
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You're saying guys would continue because they'd place their own pleasure over the pain inflicted on others, pure selfishness without regard to harm. Maybe they would. But then why not have a law against it? Civilized society uses law to deter acts of harm-causing selfishness: theft, fraud, assault, murder. Being rich feels fucking good. Why don't I murder my rich neighbour when hyped in anger and steal all his money? Many guys might do that without the law. That's a reason to have a law, not a …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/17 10:39 PM
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Depends on the country / state. It differs everywhere. Male rape is not treated consistently around the world yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 06:27 PM
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Yeah, I see what you're saying. Rape used to be viewed as the act of penetration only, similar to breaking and entering. It was the act of forcefully entering the vagina only, not anything that happened after. Once entered, it was figured the real crime had already been done. Once she was entered, her virginity was stolen or she was no longer faithful or pure to her husband or his sperm could have gotten in. From a male perspective, that was the only harm with rape, and it all happened from the …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 06:25 PM
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How do you tell someone is a sadistic torturer ahead of time? Smart predators don't act like dirty hooligans. They chamouflage. Guys who rough them up look and act just like guys who won't. Sometimes it's the most polite and gentlemanly date, or a long-term boyfriend with no issues before. How are they supposed to make the calculated decision? Your argument is that if a torturer started torturing, it's her fault for not noticing. But if a murderer murdered someone, it's not his fault for getting…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 06:12 PM
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Nah, this really depends on the man. Some deliberate date for social class.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 06:03 PM
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Me deal with what? You know you're talking to a dude, right? The point is, it's not crazy to change your mind about wanting to have sex. It would be crazy to want to continue with painful unwanted "sex" that feels like torture.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 05:58 PM
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Taken from his post itself So when is it rape instead of ravishment? Aside from obvious cases of drugging someone or having sex with the unconscious (for the feminazi retards: No one here condones these instances of legitimate rape) the difference is strictly in the disparity of your SMV's. The stranger-in-the-bush is often characterized as some seedy low-life thug. This evokes intense fear. Being forcefully held down in bed by the muscular CEO of a Fortune 500 company does not evoke this fear. …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 05:14 PM
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You're wrong because I'm not calling anything rape or assault. My comment has nothing to do with labels. Learn to read bro. My comment was proving his quoted statement wrong. Dude above thinks it's crazy to change your mind during coitus. He thinks if you agreed to sex, you should be happy with ANYTHING that happens afterwards, that you'd have to be mentally unstable to no longer want it during the act. I'm just proving that's a moronic statement. Sex can turn out to be terrible or painful and e…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 04:48 PM
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Read the whole post and then use your brain to think about what definition he means when he uses the word "rape" in that sentence. Spoiler: it's not the definition you're familiar with.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 04:43 PM
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Have you read the sub title? Something about purple and debating...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 05:21 AM
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Lol you might want to look in the mirror bro
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 05:17 AM
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You want to suicide if you can't be Chad, and you think incels are toxic?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 05:15 AM
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r/incels
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 05:08 AM
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Nothing will make you Chad bro. I'm Chad, not you. But your OP wasn't asking what would make you Chad. It was just asking what would get you a girlfriend. You can't be Chad, but with social skills you might get a girlfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 05:05 AM
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Well it'd explain why you'd need to ask this question in the first place. Best advice is for you to just practice your social skills. Not even on dates, just with friends. Get good at interacting with people and understanding people. Practice, practice, practice.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 04:49 AM
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Hope you're not offended by me asking, but are you autistic?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 04:44 AM
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RP says the "alpha" sexual strategy is to be amoral, therefore no code or honor. They work hard on "Dark Triad", to mimic psychopaths. Can anyone say cope? Maybe they're just psychos to begin with, telling themselves they're only faking it as a sexual strategy to give themselves permission to let the inner crazy out. Real alphas like me don't need to be amoral to get laid. We can have a code and honor and loyalty, because we don't need strategy. We're high value and just get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 04:42 AM
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Holy fuck, did it take you this long and an entire PPD post to figure that out?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/17 04:38 AM
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No comment about the swallowing joke? Reallly?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/17 01:18 AM
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Yeah of course, you know that "incel" = "blackpill" right?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/17 01:17 AM
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OP, you're talking about BlackPill, not RedPill. RedPill - Women are hypergamous and Chad gets the girl, so do self-improvement and be a high value male. BlackPill - Women are hypergamous and Chad gets the girl, we don't have Chad's genes, so we're screwed. Suicide. MUH GENES. Your premise is misguided, so the entire debate on this thread is rather meaningless.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/17 11:05 PM
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But by BP they don't mean the group of beliefs held by self-identified blue-pillers. They mean what RPers define as "blue-pilled" (oneitis, looks don't matter, women are faithful, niceguys can get the girl, do what women tell you to do), which is largely a strawman to coax men into swallowing the Red Pill. Why? RP is all about coercing others into swallowing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/17 11:01 PM
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But the thing is that Chad is always this super hot guy, but I've seen average but charming guys have the same effect This. I call myself a "Chad" because I'm probably 9/10 (tall, athletic, muscular, well-off, successful, confident), have created that effect fairly often, have slept with a ton of women on raw chemistry without the need for PUA tricks, and get a lot of corresponding hate from TRP/incel types both IRL and online. But I don't fit that mythical model-faced idealization in the OP eit…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/16 03:57 AM
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False. I know (and have fucked) many tall, slender, attractive feminists. They exist. I find the intelligence, confidence and defiance fucking hot too. Your view is incredibly simplistic. Is this worth a debate?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/16 03:49 AM
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I'm offended!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/16 03:39 AM
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LOL. The topic of discussion was whether there is a "rape culture" and how privileged women are in the workplace. You ignore all the main points and nitpick over 2 tangential issues. Also bullshit. It's well documented that men (on average) have a significantly higher sex drive than women. Sex drive is not the same as demand. Demand is how much you're actively seeking to get something. That's what impacts the SMP. MGTOW's approach is to go without women, regain power by withdrawing demand from t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 03:04 PM
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Yeah, so you were 12-13 when this came out. Mommy probably didn't let you read it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Hope_They_Serve_Beer_in_Hell Tucker wasn't PUA, he was just a party boy who told hilarious stories about hookups. New York Times Bestseller. Also kept a blog. Anyway, the point is even the most womanizing Chads can turn feminist. You don't get it because you haven't grown up yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 02:22 PM
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No, women lose beauty. But TRP men are after beauty, so they only care about whether this attribute hits a wall, even if education and income and confidence double.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 02:48 AM
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Everyone was too busy travelling and having casual sex/failed relationships in their early to mid twenties lol. This is exactly what TRP says. They just knew/knew of each other and finally got together in their late twenties. There's a huge element of pre-selection here. They knew each other from before, some pre-approval, had things in common to bond over, saw the other in attractive youth, and were simply both ready to settle down. It's very different from being fresh on the dating market at 3…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 02:39 AM
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LOL that's among the worst math I've ever seen
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 02:34 AM
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Thanks for the summary. Helps me understand where people are coming from. If you look at toxic masculinity from a feminist framework with the idea that "women are seen as lesser by society and that's why men adopt a toxic masculinity" Yeah, many hold this view. But feminism isn't one cohesive textbook of united thinkers all agreeing on the same positions. There's a wide range, variation. I think it's possible to be feminist and believe "toxic masculinity" is simply historical patriarchy limiting…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 01:34 AM
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What's your view on it then?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 12:32 AM
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"Toxic masculinity" is something that probably oppresses men more than woman ("rape culture" is what hurts women). Toxic masculinity forces naturally beta men to think they all need to pretend to be tough dominant stoic alphas to be "real men". It's responsible for the beliefs that men cannot be seen as victims (male victims of rape and DV not taken seriously), that men cannot be primarily fathers and homemakers (leading to biased custody rulings and divorce settlements and child support legisla…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/16 12:02 AM
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This is why "Chad" is a feminist. Those fuckers. Also, I don't need support of MRA to be awesome.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 11:55 PM
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I also go for a little bit of self doubt and indecisiveness, Just curious. What do you find attractive about that? I'm not judging. I just go for the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 11:00 PM
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^ True bro right here
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 10:55 PM
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Very, very, very rarely. I hear Mens Right advocates bring it up more often than feminists. Just because you've only heard it "very, very, very rarely" and heard MRAs bring it up more doesn't mean that's representative of what's happening overall. Could reflect what sources you read, what you pay attention to. Anyway, it's happened. There is a pro-white bias in many US feminists, but not all. And the fact that American feminists are pushing for broad cultural changes, not just political decision…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 04:52 PM
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Every marriage system has winners and losers. You're considering arranged marriages because you're frustrated with Western dating, likely being rejected by women over qualities like physical attractiveness and the sort of spontaneous impulsive personality attributes that appeal to dating women. You might feel you lack the qualities to succeed with Western dating, romanticizing arranged marriages as an easy solution to get you a mate. Arranged marriages also have winners and losers, top picks and…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 03:50 AM
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If you were saying that in fact most workplaces do consider one-time things to count as sexual harassment then I misunderstood. That's what I meant. Referring to grounds to fire someone for "Sexual Harassment".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 12:40 AM
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No, harassment is defined as a repeated pattern of behavior ... unless it is something overtly inappropriate like an ass grab or boob grab. Come on, I already made the exception for unwanted physical contact (which implies worse sexual violence would be excepted too). I'm so sick of the lazy debating on this sub. You guys must be picking up bad habits from US politicians, who are notorious for never actually addressing what the other person is saying, instead spinning it to repeat their own agen…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/16 12:23 AM
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You can't prove intent easily. But give a good reason for why he should ever touch her ass? (other than first aid, medical, and even then he should ask first if she's conscious)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 11:55 PM
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wub doesn't get nuance, believing only 2 binary positions can exist: 1) Men are more violent than women 2) Women are more violent than men Wub supports position 1. If you engage with wub in any way whatsoever, wub assumes you must be taking position 2. This is a false dichotomy, failing to realize that a whole gradient of positions can exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 11:07 PM
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LOL he thinks it doesn't hold up for the opposite reason, i.e. not contentious and pro-MRA enough
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 11:00 PM
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But I didn't say men are less violent than women, or that women were victims less often. These things you say are all true, but I was not claiming otherwise. You were and still are arguing against Strawmen. What was the argument again? Good question. What were you arguing for? The purpose of my posts was to show you that you were using poor debate etiquette and not properly addressing the other guy's points, not to even discuss anything about violence. I ended it by pointing you towards resource…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 10:59 PM
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Thank you. This was the point I was trying to make. Deeper in the thread, I even clarify that I never claimed men were not more prone to violence than women, or that men commit less than 50% of domestic violence. Those were strawmen, positions I never took. I even said I did not take issue with wub's position, just the means of argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 10:53 PM
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I'll dumb it down even further. then the lesson is well taught with a subject that creates a visceral reaction and posting that gives long-time spans in between where people have the opportunity to do thinking and hypothesize between posts. This is a noble goal. I support it. I think you failed to do it though. To hypothesize, they need to start with some observations about rape accusations. You can't assume all men have seen the same shit you've seen, and it's not practical for them to go out a…
/r/TheRedPill19/12/16 09:33 PM
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Yes, of course, but that's irrelevant to the irony. The irony is that you rambled for pages about the importance of having a claim backed up by personal evidence and observations, then made a claim supported (so far) by only speculative theories and implications. That's pretty fucking hilarious. You could have just posted this first half with a different title, what this post is actually about, instead of starting with "All Women Lie About Rape" and not even writing about that part yet. I called…
/r/TheRedPill19/12/16 07:49 PM
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If she's a foot shorter than you or more, it's uncomfortable on your back after a while. Easier to just pick her up and put her up against a wall.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 07:34 PM
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Fuck those guys, 5'10" is my ideal height for a woman. That's hot as fuck, model height. Don't let insecure bullies get to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 07:32 PM
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Title - "All women lie about rape" Content - "We should test theories against lots of observations and experience. Now I'm gonna say all women lie about rape, without stating ANY observations or experience to support that" Maybe you should have waited to finish writing PART TWO before posting... Nice clickbait, though.
/r/TheRedPill19/12/16 07:25 PM
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It's a tasteful tease
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 03:43 PM
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I want a naturally clumsy woman who really does walk into doorknobs sometimes. Plausible deniability.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 03:37 PM
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Taxpayers pay because Larry doesn't earn enough to support them properly ($18.5K for 2 kids). If he could support them better, his kids wouldn't be eating off fucking food stamps. Some life his kids get. But then he gets to raise them. You think he'd still earn $60k raising them as a single father working the same job? Needs childcare while he works. If he ever drives overnight, who will watch the kids? If he's lucky and just drives days, then he gets to keep his job. Then it'll cost him more (e…
/r/TheRedPill19/12/16 03:30 PM
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K, I thought you were talking about what would happen if his life just spun out of control after quitting and he ended up in jail somehow. Apparently you meant being jailed for not paying child support (not stated in your post). OK. So your argument is that child support should not be collected with threat of jail time? My argument wasn't that current child support legislation is perfect, just that Frank shouldn't be complaining about paying to raise his own kids while he still does have a job a…
/r/TheRedPill19/12/16 08:15 AM
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He doesn't have to be. He could keep driving and earning money for himself, and then also pay for his kids. Seems best for everyone.
/r/TheRedPill19/12/16 07:51 AM
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No problem man. 30K in UK pounds is significantly more money. This is USD. We're talking about an ex wife living off minimum wage, welfare and food stamps here. If she's spending child support money on fancy clothes or a boob job, she's colossally fucking up as a mother. The reason she qualifies for welfare and food stamps is she's probably spending most of it raising those kids.
/r/TheRedPill19/12/16 07:41 AM
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Thank you. I can't believe I'm getting downvoted for saying Larry should pay for his kids. We're not even talking about alimony here. This is to help raise his own flesh and blood. $11.5K seems reasonable for 2 kids. It might cost Larry even more to raise them on his own as a single father.
/r/TheRedPill19/12/16 06:22 AM
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So you're saying not to give a fuck about your own kids if the ex took em? If that's what you believe, at least be a man and own up to it.
/r/TheRedPill19/12/16 05:41 AM
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Yeah, she COULD spend the money all on herself. But if she's doing that on $30K/year (which includes food stamps), there's really nothing left to use on the kids... it'll take your lawyer all of 5 minutes to prove her an incompetent mother and win you full custody. The point is that the money is being sent, not for her, but to support kids that are also your responsibility as a grown fucking man. Not only does raising them cost money, but it also costs time -- you don't have to invest time into …
/r/TheRedPill19/12/16 05:40 AM
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Does not matter, Frank quits driving If Frank quits driving and lives off the state or cheap labour, his kids lose $11.5K a year. They'll end up eating cheap canned food and wearing shitty clothes to school, getting teased for being poor and dirty, lacking a good male role model, growing up to be incels. Liberals vs nonLiberals aside, do you guys just not give a shit about your kids? That's not an alpha trait, that's an omega trait.
/r/TheRedPill19/12/16 04:49 AM
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That's because you're tiny either way. For guys like me who are already 6'2" 200 lbs, she may prefer non-lifting (even though I am anti-RP)
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 02:49 AM
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Larry supports 1 human on 33,472 Susie supports 3 humans on 33,272 (herself plus 2 kids) That's a huge fucking difference. Larry can get a lot further with his money than Susie can with the same amount. You're paying all that child support to feed 2 kids, not pay for your slutty ex wife. Or, does Larry not give a shit about his kids anymore just because he doesn't have custody?
/r/TheRedPill19/12/16 02:21 AM
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Everyone should read this. It's clear as daylight that what happened was sketchy as fuck and she was not OK with it. Guys, the simple conclusion is: don't fucking do that. Even if you're outraged at "false rape allegations", if you don't do what the guys in this story did, you won't even have to worry about getting "falsely accused". Either way, just don't do that. If that's the only way you can get laid, something's wrong with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 01:50 AM
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Dude, have you even ever had sex? She can have consented for those 2 minutes, having fun at first, then stopped enjoying it when other guys joined in and said "no", ending consent. What are the chances the guys videoed that part though and kept it? :P
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 01:47 AM
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Your consent does lose meaning. Having sex with lots of people in the same room encourages more people to do so as well. Uh, WTF? It's her body. The default is that they have to ask, not that they can do whatever they want with it unless she objects. Let's say you drive your car to my condo's parking lot. You let a buddy or two joy ride with it for a bit. Then you guys leave it parked there and walk off to have some beers. You don't know me personally but I walk up and drive off with your car. A…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/16 01:44 AM
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So women are victims here. Your saying men are responsible for a woman's sexual consent, not her saying anything. No, the message is that we should teach other dudes to look for positive consent, to confirm she's actually into it and sober enough to know what's going on, not just grab her body and keep going in the absence of hard resistance. I've been to a ton of frat parties and watched my bros do shit like that. They get the girls as wasted as possible. Then they look for the most drunk ones …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 07:23 PM
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I've already pointed out why those statistics are dubious No, you just went "MRAs LOL nothing they say is true" you refuse to accept statistics amply demonstrating that clearly men are more prone to violence LOL you're missing the point. There's a difference between being more prone to violence in general and being more guilty of (or less vulnerable to) domestic violence offenses. One can be true without the other. All you're saying is "durr men are violent". You want your evidence to support th…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 05:21 PM
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I haven't trolled anyone, I haven't been personally abusive. I have simply said that if you can't see that men are more prone to being violent than women then you must be pretty stupid. Read this thread and the resources on it: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/5ixp5m/meta_why_are_bad_faith_arguments_allowed/ Your arguments were clearly Bad Faith. Further, persistently calling people stupid if they have a different opinion is a personal attack irrelevant to the debate and IS per…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 05:07 PM
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2) Because she wasn't aware it was going to be a gang bang, only thought it was going to be 1 or 2 guys. It could just start off with one guy she has a crush on. Then he's like "mind if my buddy joins?" She's wasted and he's hot, so she's indifferent and says sure. Maybe she even requested it. Anyway, once the 3 of them get going, there might be other guys standing in the room or outside the door cheering them on, and guys just tag team in their bros out of nowhere. The guys may have even planne…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 04:07 PM
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"She asked for it" is a weak argument. I've been to a ton of frat parties and seen all sorts of shit. Sometimes girls just go there to be around friends, flirt, and get wasted. Just because she entered a room doesn't mean she wants to get fucked by all of them. Just because she wanted to fuck 1 or 2 doesn't mean she wanted to fuck them all. Running a train on a barely conscious girl is TERRIBLE judgment, way fucking worse than just walking into a room at a party. Guys use all sorts of bait to ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 03:27 PM
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Again, you're missing the point. It's not the content or your position that people are reacting to, but your bullshit style of argument. If you truly believe your position is so fucking obvious, you should have an easy time calmly making a proper supported argument for it like the other guy did. If you don't know how to do that, check out the resources in other threads on "Bad Faith" arguments and recommendations for productive reddit debates.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 03:12 PM
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LOL dude I read them. You did the same thing there. "The stats are obviously wrong. I'm not gonna bother to show how or argue my point. Ima kick and scream more. If you disagree with me, you're stupid or biased!" All you've shown is that, whether you're right or wrong, you're incapable of making a reasonable argument or being worth having a discussion with. Your bad faith arguing has pissed off many others in the sub. Some are discussing banning people for what you're doing. Take a hint. Either …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 03:08 PM
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Read your comments already. I thought about it, and it's fucking obvious you're wrong. That's all I need to say. GG, you lose nerd. I'm right.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 03:04 PM
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Faulty generalization dude. Some people just react to bad circumstances, run away from one thing into a relationship. Those relationships are probably going to end. Others deal with their own shit first, then make conscious decisions. Then it's a mix of personality compatibility, physical attraction, being in the same stage of life, and fluke chance in the circumstances they met. Sounds like you're a case running from fucked up circumstances. Might be why yours ended badly. Don't project.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 02:47 PM
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You tool. Why would those girls care about his money or car or apartment or whether he was YOUR view of a "loser"? They're young, in school. They're not looking for "husband material" yet. They're looking for a good time. None of that other stuff is going to give them a good time, especially if their parents are already rich and they can already buy all the material things they need. You don't understand how rich girls work, do you?
/r/TheRedPill18/12/16 02:34 PM
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LOL bitter former NiceGuy are you? It's not even that she's lying or giving a canned response. "Slut shaming" is pretty minor these days. Her brain might genuinely think a sensitive guy is best for her. But she can't logic her way into being turned on. Other guys give her tingles.
/r/TheRedPill18/12/16 02:22 PM
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It's the possibility of a threesome being dangled. It's not hot to watch 2 fat butch dykes kiss. It's only hot to watch 2 conventionally attractive (by straight standards) go at it. That's because it's hot to see both get so turned on and think about joining in. Also, double the boobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 02:12 PM
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You're bad at analogies bro. That was the point. He's talking about how university STUDENTS are female. That doesn't rebut how the PROFS (the ones indoctrinating them, publishing influential research) are mostly male. Similarly, women may vote (a mere binary choice between Red or Blue), but that doesn't change that for both parties congress, legislators and judges (ones who actually make the decisions, propose bills, set precedents) are mostly men. i.e. nothing trpob said actually rebutted IAmTh…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/16 02:03 PM
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Because you're asking her brain, not her pussy. Her brain does want those things. It's what she was taught to value or logically believes she should want in a partner. But her vag isn't controlled by logic.
/r/TheRedPill18/12/16 03:33 AM
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You're missing the point. The problem is you set up the relationship rules one way, then expected something another way. Do you console her about her catty drama with her friends, or her body image insecurities, or her sick relative? I doubt it. She doesn't show you 100%. You're keeping it fun and casual. You told her you want nothing more. She comes to you for an escape, fun hedonistic pleasure. That's it. By sharing needy insecurities like that, you're ruining it. What if you went to a strip c…
/r/TheRedPill18/12/16 01:21 AM
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Dude, you don't see the irony here? She wanted to emotionally connect with you multiple times, commit. You blew her off because you want to spin plates. Which is fine. But then you come to her for needy emotional validation (a relationship thing)... It's not that all women are cold bitches who will never accept your insecurities. It's that that ship has sailed. You already made the ground rules clear: no deeper emotional commitment, even though she wanted it. If you do that, you can't expect her…
/r/TheRedPill17/12/16 05:10 PM
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Me: you do not care about me Dude, you did not just do that. This has nothing to do with her being a bitch, and everything to do with YOU being a little bitch. "you do not care about me" = "I secretly have a vagina. In my arm pit. With a yeast infection" Would you talk like that to a dude? To your own family? Why the fuck would you talk to anyone like that? Are you trying to get her to coddle deep-seated external validation issues? Pay a therapist for that and be a man with your woman. You're th…
/r/TheRedPill17/12/16 05:00 PM
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Level 30 healer? And you've just explained why you can't get laid even better than SMP can.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/16 05:03 AM
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Moreover, "Men" don't even have any common interests as "men". This. Men split into different groups. Many of us are easily boning chicks and making big money in a feminist world. We don't have the same interests. Why would we care? I'd wager it was guys like me in power making the decision to ignore concerns of you other "men". We don't feel threatened by empowering women. Our lives won't be affected. We find it amusing that women so easily outcompete some chumps -- get better educated, make mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 07:21 PM
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Most slaves were black. Why couldn't blacks end slavery earlier? You don't understand distinctions in basic power structures? LOL.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 07:15 PM
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LOL dude you're boning wrong. Do foreplay. Mix it up. Change the pace. Change positions. If you're about to blow and you want to keep the whole thing going much longer, pull out and go down on her for a while. Tease her and keep her begging while you take a break. Use toys. Don't fap.
/r/TheRedPill16/12/16 06:57 PM
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True story. I've done that to chicks before. I love her very much. She is to be frank the most beautiful woman I have ever seen. She could easily be a model. She is many guys ideal woman and a certain 10/10. Whenever she goes out she gets hit on CONSTANTLY. Whether i'm there or not actually. Here's the problem. Even if this wasn't cheap TRP bait to rile up betas, this guy is doomed from the start. Why is he with her for 5 years? The only redeeming qualities he described are her looks, how she's …
/r/TheRedPill16/12/16 06:52 PM
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Context. We're not talking about Descartes here. I wanted to know if the word was appropriated by PUAs for a specific view of male-female interactions. Apparently it was.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 06:49 AM
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The incels on TRP are better off rushing into it. It's an effective tactic when you're trying to hook up in chameleon mode instead of on raw value. In chameleon mode, the longer you wait, the more likely she sees through it before you hook up.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 06:37 AM
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Life is one big autism screening test. She's screening for 3 before you even approach her, during, after, the whole time. When you see women approach and escalate on guys like me, it's because social status or other indicators have already assured her of 3 long before I even notice she exists. She doesn't need tests. So then shit just escalates naturally. If you're extroverted and actually have social value already (not awkward loners faking it to pass some test), demonstrate it up front. Go out…
/r/TheRedPill16/12/16 03:13 AM
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What bimbos do is what base women do, meaning women that mostly act like animal, based on feelings and instincts with little rational thought or guidance. Very reactive. You've never seen dudes get into fist fights because one was feeling jealous or threatened and neither could hold their temper? These situations are 100% men acting like an animal, based on feelings and instincts with little rational thought or guidance. But women almost always MUST be self centered. If she has been through a si…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 02:51 AM
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that all someone knows is true is what they believe and experience. It comes from women being self centered(different than selfish), everything they view first is in relation to themselves. Why is Chad talking to that other girl? Is she prettier than me? When Chad is simply talking to the other girl because he wants to without a consideration for her. You're fucking joking, right? While those thoughts may occur to her, that can't be the sum total of a woman's inner thoughts, except maybe in rare…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/16 01:36 AM
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Is this some weird PUA jargon? I'm not RP because RP is a joke. Real men can get laid without following some instruction manual.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/16 09:39 PM
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First, I didn't say ALL women or NO men. Second, I'm not talking about myself. I find it fucking easy to read signals, approach women, or know when to back away. But, for the sake of OP debate, I'm musing about why others struggle with it. Some women are very direct. They tell you explicitly using their words. Other women are direct with body language, which some men read well and others don't. Others use body language but aren't even as expressive. I've heard stories from women where she's like…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/16 09:37 PM
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Good insight. Some of these guys are so lonely and detached from women that maybe any politeness or kindness or interaction at all is interpreted as sexual interest, when it's merely a courtesy. They may not have seen enough positive female signals to be able to differentiate between them. Non-bitchy is all they're looking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/16 07:34 PM
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Many women think they're being fucking obvious when they're not. Those of us who can read people know what they mean, but the nerd with Aspergers and the creepy NiceGuy isn't going to see it. I think the problem is that many women reside deeply within their own inner emotional world. If they FEEL intensely pissed or creeped out, they assume everyone else knows too, that their body is oozing those signals, because it's so fucking obvious to them!! They feel so strongly inside, and normally their …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/16 07:31 PM
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I thought RP were chumps trying to BE violent thugs/chads/losers?? Why are they blaming themselves for Single Moms?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/16 03:30 AM
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This. I only read TRP to mock it. It's a joke, the blind leading the blinder. Some of the "players" are still incels. Others are divorcees who just started porking chicks in the last few years, under 10. I've ploughed more puss than most players and never had to use "pick up tactics" ROFL
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/16 02:09 AM
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Lol maybe, but then he should reply to them, not me. Argue against the correct party. There are always some people with extreme views. Do not assume everyone who is anti-rape holds the exact same positions. Address the actual positions presented. Read and understand the fucking nuances. I see this shit in political debates all the time. "Oh, Johnny said something that sounds remotely Democrat, so I'm gonna nail him with all this shit I hate about Clinton, even though he personally didn't say any…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/16 01:35 AM
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Consent is continuous. If you start fucking her, but then you get too rough and you're hurting her, she blatantly tells you to pull out for a bit or stop, and you ignore her and keep going, I'd call that rape. Or if you stick it in her and then she realizes you lied about putting a condom on and asks you to stop and pull out and you don't, that's rape. The key part is that she SAYS she doesn't want to keep going and you ignore it. Why would you ignore that? It's not your body to use as a masturb…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/16 12:18 AM
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No she didn't. "I have a boyfriend" but then initiating kissing him again is consenting to kissing. It is NOT a green light to jam your dick in without checking again for consent (which is continuous and can change either direction), but I never said it was, nor did the poster. Have you hooked up with girls often? If not, you may not appreciate how often girls may give "soft no" but actually mean yes, because you haven't actually been in the room to see those situations, you're just speaking fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 11:52 PM
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Again, I don't do this stuff at all, but what's wrong with seeing it as LMR? Their philosophy is not to ignore LMR and jam your cock in as fast as possible. It's just to try to work around LMR by being assertive but giving her clear opportunities to give a hard no and showing you respect it. Him labelling a soft no as LMR does not at all condone going ahead with sex before getting more consent. In fact, it implies that he needs to do the LMR strategy: give her an opportunity to confirm a hard no…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 11:29 PM
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Did you even read my comment? I did not claim it was. Making out is consent to making out. His post does not argue that it is also consent to sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 11:13 PM
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I don't see an issue. He just calls it a "soft no", not a soft no to sex explictly. If she initiates more making out with him after, that's clear consent to making out. I don't see him arguing that just because she kisses him more that he gets to slam her on the couch and jam his cock into her without digging for further consent first.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 10:52 PM
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Ok true, there are innocent men who get falsely convincted, and "virtually impossible" underemphasizes that. The point is that the odds are it's more likely the justice system will err in the man's favor than err against him, so there is nothing unjust to the man about letting the potential victim have her day in court.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 10:44 PM
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This. They make it pretty clear that pushing past LMR is not worth the effort, will lead to a low-quality experience for both of you. If the desperate PUA insists on doing it, they advocate for a way that gives the entire power of the decision to the woman. They say to explicitly tell her "I'll stop if you say stop" and keep trying to seduce her, but if she says stop to immediately pull away and stop. That assures the woman she does not have to be afraid, that she is in control of what happens. …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 10:40 PM
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Are you serious? Where is the equality? Innocent men have a right too you know? Come on man. Did I say innocent men should ALL be found guilty, that they should forfeit all rights? You're free to strawman people all you want, but it makes you look like a tard. I said fear of punishing innocent men should not stop us from following up on rape charges, that we have to balance the risk of ruining an innocent man's life with the possibility that one or more girls' lives may be ruined. That doesn't m…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 09:56 PM
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This is from a mans point of view atleast, but the reason there is a theme of pointing out false rape is.... because it is scary for men to be accused of rape. It can destroy their lives and evidence is often lacking You know what else is EVEN MORE terrifying? BEING raped. It can destroy her life, and yet evidence is often lacking to prosecute, letting the guy get away with it and maybe ruin other girls' lives too. Fear of ruining an innocent guy's life should not mean we don't try to stop guys …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/16 09:24 PM
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