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"no one will believe me even though I have proof." After reading that sentence, I thought the one who got raped was a man, not a woman.
/r/MGTOW05/02/19 05:20 AM
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He is definetly not getting fired for wrongthink.
/r/MGTOW01/02/19 08:11 AM
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Male feminists in a nutshell
/r/MGTOW22/01/19 05:44 AM
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Sooooooyyybooooyyy
/r/MGTOW10/01/19 11:15 PM
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You don't have to do a trigger warning, there are no feminists here.
/r/MGTOW27/12/18 08:41 AM
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Like I said, post the primary sources if you want to convince anyone. Regardless of the topic, if I ask for sources, I am not asking to hear someone's interpretation of the sources.
/r/MGTOW25/12/18 01:38 PM
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Well, it isn't a legitimate source. Post the primary sources if you want to convince anyone.
/r/MGTOW25/12/18 01:22 PM
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Did you even read what he wrote or did you just default to "hurr durr wahmin bad"?
/r/MGTOW25/12/18 01:00 PM
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It doesn't look like you actually read that thread. But it sure is nice to just blame women out of reflex.
/r/MGTOW24/12/18 10:39 PM
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Kill them all and let god sort them out.
/r/MGTOW14/12/18 10:34 PM
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And her mother, the gf is not allowed to join though
/r/MGTOW06/12/18 07:43 AM
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As if she cares, go ahead and leave.
/r/MGTOW29/11/18 12:58 PM
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I wish Merkel had kids. Maybe the thought that her offspring would live to see the consequences of her decisions would have prevented her from making these stupid decisions.
/r/MGTOW27/11/18 10:20 PM
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There is not really anything to try.
/r/seduction15/12/16 11:45 PM
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If only that was true. I still have no one who wants to date me and no way of convincing them otherwise. The good looks have done close to nothing for me.
/r/seduction15/12/16 07:12 PM
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I was fat when I was younger, so it was worse when it came to girls back then.
/r/seduction15/12/16 06:05 PM
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have you tried other things? What other things, if you are not drinking or going out, you are just hanging aroung with your grout of friends. And I don't even have that group, so there is not much else to try. Actually having hobbies like you do is what makes people interested in you No, no women was ever interested in me for my hobbies or even found my hobbies alone interesting. The best thing you get is a half hearted "oh cool". Listening more to what people say about themselves and simply sha…
/r/seduction15/12/16 12:37 PM
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I can't change that without completely giving up who I am and what I do. Would I be more fun if I want partying every weekend? Yes, but I don't want to, it is not fun to me, only exhausting and time wasting. My hobbies and interests are on the boring side, I know but I like them. I don't want to give them up to go to a dancing class that I don't enjoy just to meet a woman. I may be alone, maybe even for the rest of my life, but I am not desperate enough to lose who I am just to please a woman
/r/seduction15/12/16 11:43 AM
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I can't see how it is so unreasonable that someone who isn't exactly a hit with women, or even an exciting person should approach strangers who will definetly reject him.
/r/seduction15/12/16 01:16 AM
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Well that is my whole problem, I have no choice of women anymore. I know that the ones that I know at the time don't want me. However I won't go and desperately creep on strangers on the street, it is not very welcome here and they would reject me anyway. They don't want me to approach them, they don't even want to make simple eye contact with me. I very much doubt people go out to a cafe or somewhere else to be seen. Some may, but they are women, they already have such a big choice of men that …
/r/seduction13/12/16 09:05 PM
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Yes, I am negative when I have to talk or think about how no women wanted me and how my chances with them are few and far inbetween. However I am quite positive when I actually meet and talk to people. I don't talk to them like I talk to you here. No one outside of the internet knows how hopeless I am with women. They probably eventhink that I have no trouble with them. After all, why wouldn't they, I am good looking, more than just a bit athletic, smile a lot and never complain. For all they kn…
/r/seduction13/12/16 05:38 PM
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Or more likely, that I am not a very likeable or exciting person to most.
/r/seduction13/12/16 02:47 PM
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No I am not the only one who has no chance, but I am one of those who don't really have a chance. What else would my past attempts of finding someone indicate?
/r/seduction13/12/16 12:07 PM
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What good is it, I am still not an outgoing guy and have almost nowhere to actually meet women I have a chance with
/r/seduction13/12/16 09:32 AM
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The best thing is probably to get used to being alone and stop hoping to find someone. I don't have any other options anyway, since I won't go partying or drinking anytime soon and getting a strange woman from the street is not an option either.
/r/seduction13/12/16 08:07 AM
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I see talking to random women on the street just because I want a girlfriend as bothering for both persons.
/r/seduction12/12/16 11:54 PM
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Funny, I won't bother them on the street and I don't go partying or drinking..
/r/seduction12/12/16 09:28 PM
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With what? And don't say working out or dressing better, I am over that. Otherwise I don't see any possibilities for that.
/r/seduction12/12/16 08:07 PM
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I got enough rejection to know that if I cant get a woman that already atleast kind of likes me to date me, that I have absolutely no chance with some stranger who isn't even out to find a guy. I keep in mind that some of them even said why they don't want me.
/r/seduction12/12/16 03:39 PM
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And you are going to ignore that I don't have success with the women that did know me, women whith who it would be easier than with a complete stranger from the street who isn't even out to meet a guy like me.
/r/seduction12/12/16 12:00 PM
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I don't think strangers can't be interesting, but they are strangers and trying to find one that find ME interesting after pretty much every women I know thinks that that is not the case is hopeless. There is no fear, I know that I am not super interesting or a hit with women, why should I go for the ones that would reject me for sure, if I could also wait for someone who I could actually have a chance with. I am not ready to change into something I don' want to be and do things I don't want to …
/r/seduction12/12/16 11:12 AM
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Believe it or not, I like how I am and I don't want to become some loud extroverted super social guy, I talk when I have something to talk about and not to fill some silence or harass strangers. Maybe the analogy with the marathon was bad, you could actually run a marathon, yes. But I have no interest in getting rejected over and over again just to find the first women desperate enough to say yes to something like that and then I end up not liking her because she is just some random stranger. No…
/r/seduction12/12/16 10:27 AM
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Good that it worked for you, but I am not you. I am more quiet, not very social and as I said earlier not a very exciting person. I am not going to go around and give 200 pitches to people who don't want to hear them. Again, why should I attemt something like that when I couldn't even convince one of the women I know to be my girlfriend. I wouldn't run a marathon when I couln't even run 10k. I very much doubt that I will gain confidence or even be proud of myself when I let myself get rejected o…
/r/seduction12/12/16 01:19 AM
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If I could just get to know "some cool people", don't you think I would have done that? Sure posting here doesn't help, but following advice, of wich I know wouldn't work for me, doesn't help either. So far I only see downsides to your advice.
/r/seduction12/12/16 12:37 AM
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Only that I know that I won't get what I want probably either way. The only thing thats waiting is rejection and embaressment.
/r/seduction12/12/16 12:22 AM
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Not well and I imagine that going even going even less good for the reasons I already explained. No I didn't, I am usually not a big fan of this sub.
/r/seduction12/12/16 12:06 AM
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Saying "just get a number from the street" is like saying "just fly to the moon" to me. No way it would work for me. And like I said I don't want to waste all this time and get rejected a hundred times only to find one who says yes and then end up getting ghosted or not liking her. Im better off hoping that one of the women I already know and like ends up wanting to date me.
/r/seduction11/12/16 11:14 PM
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If I already know her, I don't have to go through all that bullshit. If I know her, I know if I like her or not. Even with my low chances with the women I know, why would I even want to date some random woman from the street. And maybe just as important, why should such a woman even want me, I mean women have way more options, why go for someone who approached them on the street when they most likely werent even out to find a guy?
/r/seduction11/12/16 10:16 PM
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Its not really done here, I am more on the introverted side and not really social. And I don't want to date the random woman nr345 just because she didn't say no. I want someone who I like. Either way, my chances are nonexistent no matter what I do. I couldn't even convince the women who knew and liked me to date me, so I won't go through more embarressment and rejections for strangers.
/r/seduction11/12/16 09:54 PM
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I know that they mean my hobbies to some degree and my outgoingness and that I don't go partying or drinking too. No, I don't want to approach women on the street, its quite creepy and with such a low chance if success that I am better off not doing that.
/r/seduction11/12/16 09:05 PM
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Its not a need for me, but whenever a women tells me how boring I am because of my hobbies or how outgoing I am it is another direct rejection. And with the little amount of women I know, or could date, its just defeating.
/r/seduction11/12/16 08:34 PM
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I have no interest in telling them and hearing how they are super interesting and that it would be my fault that women arent into them, sorry.
/r/seduction11/12/16 07:39 PM
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Did it and it didn't get them excited.
/r/seduction11/12/16 07:19 PM
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For example how outgoing you are, how interesting you and your hobbies are, how many women you know that could be interested in you.
/r/seduction11/12/16 07:10 PM
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Looks dont really matter, there are other things that matter and sadly a lot of them are outside of ones control.
/r/seduction11/12/16 06:33 PM
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You sound like you are full of shit man. Im probably forever alone, but if you believe that video, you have some serious issues.
/r/seduction12/10/16 05:35 PM
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Yeah they mostly just avoid looking at me.
/r/seduction12/10/16 02:40 PM
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Because that: You catch a double glance, almost definitely a decent level of attraction to work with. Eye contact plus a smile, they're basically asking you to say hi. Doesn't happen.
/r/seduction12/10/16 02:37 PM
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TIL: I am not as attractive as I thought I was....great
/r/seduction11/10/16 11:24 PM
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I like to think that I am rather lucky on the looks, the video sounds really stupid though
/r/seduction11/10/16 09:59 PM
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Not often, but I don't have other options.
/r/seduction11/10/16 08:30 PM
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I understand it and I feel the same about someone shouting out his gaming hobby, but I have similar interests that no one really wants to hear about. So I can either shout it out and let everyone cringe and know that I don't have much to offer or keep to myself and maybe someone notices something useful about me and thinks thats interesting enough to get to know me.
/r/seduction11/10/16 07:52 PM
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What would you say to guys who never get approached? I can't watch the video right now, if the answer is in it ill watch it later.
/r/seduction11/10/16 11:46 AM
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It is because people are usually not interested in me or what I do. To me shouting my hobbies out unasked just screems of desperation of desperation to me. Like you need to find someone to talk about it and can't enjoy it unless it gets recognized
/r/seduction11/10/16 08:04 AM
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I know I am boring and I know what I do is definetly seen as boring. But I feel way better as Boris than I would as Felicity. I don't really have an interest to be this: Felicity’s heart is racing from what she’s about to say. She’s scared but she wants to connect, so she seizes this opportunity to share with the class. Because fuck it. “I levelled up my Mage in World of Warcraft and my guild is raiding a dungeon tonight! If anyone here plays WoW come say hi." Shouting my interests out without a…
/r/seduction10/10/16 11:06 PM
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You can't get so phased by rejection or even just tired of interacting with people. Gotta persevere! as challenging as that may be. Easier said than done, especially when you don't get many chances with women and even then get rejected. Yes, social activities for too long are exhausting, most of the time a normal work day is enough of that.
/r/seduction08/10/16 12:12 AM
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And where would I go to do that when I don't have any social hobbies and the people I do know are either guys or not interested in me?
/r/seduction07/10/16 11:36 AM
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It makes me a creep because strangers don't disturb others if tjey don't have a reason to. If it is not creepy and so awesome then why is no one doing it? And why do I always get the same answers when I ask how a couple met, its always through friends, at a club, party, in class and so on and never from talking to every available women on the street.
/r/seduction06/10/16 08:39 PM
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Taking action and become a creep who hits on random strangers who want to go on about their day? No thanks.
/r/seduction06/10/16 02:39 PM
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Asking for directions is a bit different from wantong a random stranger to be your girlfriend or just friend even.
/r/seduction06/10/16 02:26 PM
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Maybe but in the end they will want to date someone they already know and not that weird stranger from the bookstore. Nobody does this because it is kind of creepy to want to push a romantic relationship on someone who is just out to buy a book. The fact that no one here uses this seems to point out that you are better off looking for women at parties or through your social circle.
/r/seduction06/10/16 12:42 PM
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Nope, just like any other guy where I am. Strangers don't talk to each other unless they are somewhere where it is encouraged, like a club.
/r/seduction06/10/16 12:38 PM
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Without any social context? That doesn't sound believable. Most people here don't even like getting talked at on the street and you expect me to get a woman to get intimate with me like that?
/r/seduction06/10/16 12:00 PM
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I would rather stay who I am and do what I want to do, even if that means that I am unattractive to women.
/r/seduction06/10/16 11:50 AM
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Is there even a point for someone like me to hope for a girlfriend or should I just give up on that alltogether and focus on things that are fun and important to me? A simple "no" is enough. I won't do things that I already stated I don't like, just because someone gives me that as advice. If there is no way for someone like me to get a girlfriend then so be it.
/r/seduction06/10/16 11:46 AM
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Haha, yeah I have no interest in becomming a creepy pua, so no kind of game for me.
/r/seduction06/10/16 10:46 AM
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I thought you were talking about getting new hobbies. I don't think talking to random strangers will get me a girlfriend, as it is kind of creepy and intruding.
/r/seduction06/10/16 10:19 AM
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Weightlifting, reading, woodworking, gaming and the "volunteering" I previously mentioned.
/r/seduction06/10/16 07:21 AM
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Like where when you don't have any classes or hobbies that involve women. Well from my experience online dating doesn't work for attractive people(me) either.
/r/seduction06/10/16 07:18 AM
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or you can attempt to meet a girl through activities you like outside the house. I am using tinder right now, with no success, but I don't have any hobbies that include women. Indon't want to take up an alibi hobby to meet them either. However, with practice, you will get better at talking to girls Like I said, I don't know many women, so the "practice" I can get is very little.
/r/seduction06/10/16 07:16 AM
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Yep, I was asking for that, I don't want to change everything about me for ot though.
/r/seduction06/10/16 07:10 AM
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Thats not my wish, but I will have to deal with it, thank you.
/r/seduction06/10/16 07:09 AM
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Yeah, I am using tinder, but it is more like a photo album than a real dating app for me
/r/seduction06/10/16 07:08 AM
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What could you do in one hour? Even if I wanted to take a dancing class or something else that I have no interest in, getting there alpne would take the better part of the hour.
/r/seduction06/10/16 07:07 AM
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Please tell me more about myself wise one :)
/r/seduction06/10/16 12:19 AM
-5

You're not making sense, are you drunk or just mad?
/r/seduction06/10/16 12:00 AM
-4

how does that question even relate to my statement?
/r/seduction05/10/16 11:55 PM
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I did read it, but from what you wrote it doesn't look like you read the op in wich I said that I am not interested in going out.
/r/seduction05/10/16 11:41 PM
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I have a part time job in IT support and will start another in an IT Consulting firm. There is absolutely no space for another job. Jobs never really got me good or best friends. People usually have their friend circle and the best I can get is an acquaintance. And I am not looking for friends, just a girlfriend if that is even possible for me.
/r/seduction05/10/16 11:37 PM
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I don't get it, I am already doing the things I enjoy.
/r/seduction05/10/16 11:16 PM
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Weightlifting, reading, leading my junior enterprise (its more an interest than a hobby), occaisionally gaming and woodworking. Gaming already falls out when I have busy days, but I have no interest in changing anything of that for a habby that is more accepted by women.
/r/seduction05/10/16 11:15 PM
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Happy to hear that for you. I am sadly not a drinker and don't think my old friends want much to do with me anymore.
/r/seduction05/10/16 11:03 PM
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Thank you.
/r/seduction05/10/16 11:02 PM
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I seem fit into a stereotype? Don't worry, I am not a fat fedora wearing neckbeard, who spends all his time gaming.
/r/seduction05/10/16 10:53 PM
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I am lucky enough to be attractive, the only obstacle is that I don't have opportunities to get photos that women would like.
/r/seduction05/10/16 10:51 PM
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I have no interest in becoming a PUA, thank you. Apart from that I don't have any women that I could hit on and I think I do enough "awesome shit", even when it doesn't fit your definition.
/r/seduction05/10/16 10:50 PM
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If you don't feel "good" about your Facebook pictures, go to the gym, or run, do something that will make you tired. Thank you, but I got my looks figured out, I go weightlifting pretty much every day. I think I already stated that I am not a dancer and I really have no interest in hitting up a club, sorry but that is far, far away from what I like. And what would bothering random strangers with annoying questions do for them or more importantly me? Its not like some random girl from the street …
/r/seduction05/10/16 10:48 PM
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but assuming you never leave the house start Yeah thats the usual assumption, but its wrong. I said my hobbies are solitary, not that I am inside my house 24/7. You can say you aren't interested in social activities but thats bs. We're social creatures, and you wouldn't be here if you weren't social as well. I'm not saying you should just jump right in balls deep and go to a bar and start running game on girls. Take it one step at a time, and don't focus on doing it for women. The only thing I w…
/r/seduction05/10/16 10:41 PM
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Okay, 2 it is.
/r/seduction05/10/16 10:32 PM
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Thank you for your input. I am already doing something that is close to traditional volunteering. Apart from that I also have to study and work two jobs. Going to a music show, or meeting up to play pokemon go would mean to cut away the things I like for that and thats just not worth it in my opinion.
/r/seduction05/10/16 10:31 PM
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Thank you, but I would rather not post my city on reddit. Its a big city in northern germany. I don't expect many germans here anyway.
/r/seduction05/10/16 10:27 PM
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Thank you, but I would rather do the things I actually enjoy and stay single than change into another person just for a woman.
/r/seduction05/10/16 10:26 PM
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just go out there and meet women Like where, when your hobbies don't attract women, your work and field of study is full of guys and you have no interest in night life? There doesn't seem to be anything left.
/r/seduction05/10/16 10:25 PM
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Cool pics of me doing stuff and smiling. And playing up my job. Like I said earlier, the only pics I could get would be selfies. You have to put yourself out there. Where? I don't know any women anymore who would be interested in me and I cant just pretent to like dancing or yoga to meet more, not even speeking about the time investment. Do NOT present yourself as a loser tho. That ain't gonna work, brah I don't present myself as a loser, but after some time the women I know saw that I am not a …
/r/seduction05/10/16 10:23 PM
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I didn't complain about my life, I complained about a minor part of it.
/r/seduction05/10/16 10:19 PM
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I wanted to see if doing what I love would help me get a gf, appearently it doesn't.
/r/seduction05/10/16 10:18 PM
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I know that I don't want to change who I am just for a woman. You can see it as a problem, I don't.
/r/seduction05/10/16 03:42 PM
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Obviously I don't know.
/r/seduction05/10/16 03:38 PM
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I don't know, something useful that doesn't come down to "do the things you already said you don't like".
/r/seduction05/10/16 03:25 PM
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If I knew what people would tell me, I wouldn't have asked for advice. You don't have to hold back on your responses, but at the same time I don't have to follow the advice. If that really is the only kind of advice to get a girlfriend, I can atleast accept it the way it is, thank you.
/r/seduction05/10/16 02:41 PM
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Well the best I can do would be either a selfie or a staged photo. I already have a staged one that isn't too bad, but my profile ignores basically every rule there is about good photos. No I don't get any matches.
/r/seduction05/10/16 02:21 PM
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I am using it, but without good pictures its basically just a photo album.
/r/seduction05/10/16 02:13 PM
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My life may not fit your standards, but I am enjoying it how it is. I won't give that up just to meet a women.
/r/seduction05/10/16 02:04 PM
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Maybe I have worded it badly. It is not that I don't have any fun, but I am usually not seen as the fun or exciting guy by others. I don't really care to be more social as that is mostly not very enjoyable to me and I don't want to give up on the things I like for that.
/r/seduction05/10/16 01:59 PM
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In the end its not that important, I don't really expect any success anyway.
/r/seduction05/10/16 11:52 AM
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With how little I socialize and how boring I usually am to people like that, I don't think forcing myself to go to parties would do me any favours. I hope you are wrong with your statement about women who use online dating. If it is right, its sad to think that these women are the only ones within my reach and that they at the same time have no interest in me.
/r/seduction05/10/16 09:46 AM
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Bigger than that? No, half a million seems big enough to me. I am also not a party person, sorry.
/r/seduction05/10/16 09:04 AM
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In a 500000 people town in germany.
/r/seduction05/10/16 06:56 AM
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I usually got one or two matches when I am visiting my parents, who live near the border to our neighborcountry. All of them are usually from that country. Otherwise I don't really get matches, regardless of where I am. I can't explain why those women find me attractive, but its somewhat funny to notice such a difference. What can you do if there is such an oversaturation of attractive guys, when I am probably not among the most attractive ones?
/r/seduction04/10/16 08:59 PM
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Haha, yeah I don't need tinder to be undesireable. Using or not using it won't change anything in that department.
/r/seduction04/10/16 08:27 PM
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Thank you, I already swipe right on pretty much everyone, unless I am not at all attracted to someone. As I said said, there isn't much I can do about my pictures and I have trouble finding something that fits. The last bio I used was kind of a light hearted joke, but I guess it was obvious that it didn't fit my pictures or my prsonality. I guess you are right that I take it serious, but I kind of see tinder and other online dating plattforms as the only way to have a chance at getting a girlfri…
/r/seduction04/10/16 08:24 PM
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I flirted with the ones who were open to it. I didn't bother with the ones who were either not interested in me or I was not interested in them. It was usually good recieved until they learned that I don't have anything exciting going on. When I then asked them out they either rejected me or ignored it and changed the subject. I am not a fan of cold approaching strangers without being in an enviroment where it is encouraged, so I won't go and hit on women at the gym or while they are shopping. Y…
/r/seduction25/06/16 08:56 PM
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I never had a woman interested in me. They were mostly interested in what I could do for them, like studying, giving advice/mentoring. They were friendly about it, but it was clear that I was just a little more than a tool they needed to reach a goal. The ones that dont fall in that category are the acquaintances, they are friendly, talk to me, but know that I have nothing to offer what they would like after talking a few times and asking things like "what do you do on weekends?". I am intereste…
/r/seduction24/06/16 09:17 PM
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The idea that you cannot find women, because none of them could be interested in you is a self limiting belief. The idea that you could never want to interact socially with larger groups is a self limiting belief. And how do you want to change that if it is actually true and just gets reinforced woth every single rejection? meetup.com and meeting up for your interests isnt really athing here. I dont have many interests that people talk about or are usually worth talking about so that would be a …
/r/seduction24/06/16 07:23 PM
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Do you want us to give you a magic bullet that'll change your situation, or do you want us to confirm your self limiting beliefs? What beliefs would that be? Everything I know about my success and my abilities comes from my experiences. I don't have any beliefes, things are or they aren't with your refusal to engage in low investment get togethers to meet her. They may be low investment for you, but most get togethers are quite daunting to me. Especially when they are about things that dont inte…
/r/seduction23/06/16 12:03 AM
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Don't try to impress women. Be yourself. What do you think I did when I asked them out? Being myself is what they don't find attractive. I disagree. How nice of you, but you appear to be in the minority with that. Not neccesarily. It doesn't have to be like this. It depends on many factors. No one here approaches strangers, the nearest thing is asking someone for directions. Now how would it go down if you approach someone for much more than directions? To exercise social skills and make yoursel…
/r/seduction22/06/16 10:35 PM
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Why do you think that I would be a better person if I was more social despite not particulary liking it? All you said was about things that you actually want to do, not what you force yourself to do to get accepted by others.
/r/seduction22/06/16 08:19 PM
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You don't want to change who you are, that you want to be exactly the same. Do you want to change who you are? What good is it if I get a girlfriend who thinks I am a completely different person. Why should I want someone to like me for a mask that I put up. What would that do for me, if I finally have a girlfriend but if I let down the mask and show my real self, the one who isnt outgoing and wanting to meet his friends everyday, she will leave me again and I feel like shit for acting like a to…
/r/seduction22/06/16 07:37 PM
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you know what, fuck you and this sub. It seems to be impossible for you to understand that not everyone lives by your standarts. You get told to do things you enjoy, but when it doesnt get the approval of thos sub you are an unsuccessful shithead and dont deserve anything better.
/r/seduction22/06/16 06:25 PM
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for what? Sure I am not normal by your standarts but I have no mental problems.
/r/seduction22/06/16 06:01 PM
1

Im a bitch for what? For stating what I cant do? For not wanting to be inuslted by some shitheads like you? Or for not listening to the "advice" here?
/r/seduction22/06/16 05:52 PM
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Wow stalk much? I dont have a mental illness. I dont have many friends, never had a gf and dont particulary like going out. Now that makes me mentally ill? No. What makes me feel depressed however is the view of this sub on people like me. I am not what you all consider normal, therefor Im some kimd of subhuman being and insulting me is okay. I don't know why this comunity is always praised for their positivity by its members, I clearly dont see any of it.
/r/seduction22/06/16 05:45 PM
1

yeah fuck you too
/r/seduction22/06/16 04:36 PM
1

I dont even have expectations, I would be glad if any women showed some interest in me.
/r/seduction22/06/16 01:54 PM
1

more like above me
/r/seduction22/06/16 01:49 PM
1

and why that?
/r/seduction22/06/16 01:48 PM
1

My original post was edited after People started to make fun and ridicule me. I never said that I despse or hate others, I simply said that I dont like socializing. Yeah asking women out didnt get me any positive results, so before I go at it again and collect another rejection I wanted to know what would make them more attracted to me.
/r/seduction22/06/16 01:03 PM
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What is the difference between friendly acquaintances and friends? The only thing that brings us together is the situation we are in. If one of us changes workplaces we will forget about each other. I am satisfied with my social life if we would call it that, but it appearently is not enough to impress a woman and after 100 replies here, I seem to also be a shitty person for not having much of a social life. Approaching strangers isnt just unnatural, without a given context it is also creepy and…
/r/seduction22/06/16 10:25 AM
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My social life consists of work, university and my students organisation. Despite being in a leading position there, I only have friendly acquaintances, not friends. So naturally I don't have much of a social circle and little social value. The social life I have is more than enough for me. After a day I am fucking exhausted mentally, all I want after that is to be alone, workout, run, read or play something. Despite not being able to, I also have no interest in approaching random strang girls a…
/r/seduction22/06/16 08:41 AM
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You should just try interacting with people for the fun of it, sure there might not be a "point" to it but in the end you should just be able to bullshit with people, say "hey whats up?" to whoever crosses your path. I can't do that and have no intention of approaching random strangers, no matter if they are old women or cute girls.
/r/seduction22/06/16 05:48 AM
1

right
/r/seduction21/06/16 11:54 PM
1

Bots would mean that I actually get matches though.
/r/seduction21/06/16 11:48 PM
1

Why doesnt tinder work then?
/r/seduction21/06/16 11:44 PM
1

Nothing new, I admit it.
/r/seduction21/06/16 11:22 PM
2

Oh really, no one is insulting anyone here?...
/r/seduction21/06/16 10:48 PM
1

cant
/r/seduction21/06/16 10:43 PM
1

Finally a useful response, it is nice to see that people use their anecdotal evidence for something more than the fat guy who consrantly gets girls. I have tried tinder but deleted it today after about a month of not getting other matches. On being attractive, I am actually quite attractive, with weightlifting as my biggest passion I got a pretty amazing body with a good face and good hairstyle. But so far that didn't bring me anything apart from feeling good.
/r/seduction21/06/16 10:20 PM
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Yeah fuck you too, its kinda gard to imagine that someone who gets off on insulting people on the internet has more success with women than me. But I guess nothing is fair.
/r/seduction21/06/16 10:09 PM
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yeah, its cheaper as I dont need a car.
/r/seduction21/06/16 10:02 PM
2

Fuck you man. You are appearently so great that you cant relate to someone who doesnt have your success.
/r/seduction21/06/16 09:57 PM
1

about what? being a pua?
/r/seduction21/06/16 09:32 PM
0

I guess whatever drive I had got lost after constant rejections and insults, asshole.
/r/seduction21/06/16 09:30 PM
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I said that I cant. The encouragement is not much more than just berating me on how bad of a person I am for being a loner. If you say you dont like music and my advice is "listen to music, everyone likes it" how would you react?
/r/seduction21/06/16 09:06 PM
1

I cant just flip a switch and suddenly enjoy going out or approaching strangers. There is not much that I can do about it.
/r/seduction21/06/16 08:58 PM
1

I cant be more social than I am, people still tell me to be more social as guys like me wont attract any women. How is that not telling me how worthless I am.
/r/seduction21/06/16 08:56 PM
2

I guess I am.
/r/seduction21/06/16 08:44 PM
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I have to convince the others here, since almost every post wants to tell me what a worthless ass I am.
/r/seduction21/06/16 08:31 PM
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Its not just habits, appearently my whole personality is worthless and unattractive.
/r/seduction21/06/16 08:29 PM
1

But I just said that it has nothing to do with time...
/r/seduction21/06/16 08:06 PM
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I don't have any motivation to keep trying since not only the women I asked but also this whole thread told me how worthless I am for being a loner.
/r/seduction21/06/16 08:05 PM
1

Would you still be so optimistic about it if rejections are the only thing that you are worth getting?
/r/seduction21/06/16 08:01 PM
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Its not about the time it is about the ability. After a 2 hour meeting I am just fucking exhausted and now I should put in even more intense socialising wich will mainly consist of collecting rejections?
/r/seduction21/06/16 07:57 PM
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How then? I am at my limit with the amount of socializing I already do. I cant throw any of that out though.
/r/seduction21/06/16 07:26 PM
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I cant socialize more than I already do.
/r/seduction21/06/16 07:25 PM
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Oh I never thought I had your empathy. You are pretty bad at showing it though, since all you did was insult me.
/r/seduction21/06/16 07:23 PM
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What chances? There are none.
/r/seduction21/06/16 06:21 PM
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Except that I cant do that. I have an interestkng life for me, Im not going to give up what I enjoy to make myself more attractove to someone. I dont have any value to them, but I have value and self respect and wont bent just because they dont think I am interesting enough.
/r/seduction21/06/16 06:20 PM
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It sucks when you reached your limits and are still not good enough. To feel better you get verated by people who don't understand it.
/r/seduction21/06/16 06:04 PM
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I know how to behave around others and how to jave (some) fun with them. However I don't go out ofy way to be social. I don't enjoy nightlife and I don't want to join any clubs that don't interest me just to habe an excuse to be social. I don't approach strangers because it is pretty creepy and I dont want to expose anyone to that. However I do have contact to people through my job, university and my students organisation. That is more than enough of a social life for me. But appearently it is n…
/r/seduction21/06/16 05:51 PM
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all the comments are basically the same, telling me to be social. I stated in my bost that I don't enjoy it and that it is a chore to be social. No, I am not looking for ways to be more social, I was looking for someone who is in my position and has a way to attract women without all that bs. But appearently no one understood that.
/r/seduction21/06/16 05:31 PM
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they never convinced anyone to be attracted to me, how eould that change? I don't know if I should bother to further increase them, as getting them is just a chore.
/r/seduction21/06/16 05:26 PM
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"do it faggot" I have no idea how your post relates to mine though, as we are basicall polar opposites.
/r/seduction21/06/16 05:09 PM
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I am not social enough to impress anyone, I still would like to have someone who understands me. But appearently you cant even get that here.
/r/seduction21/06/16 04:03 PM
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Looking for people who understand me, maybe are similar to me but have success with women. But appearently non of the points are even slightly reached.
/r/seduction21/06/16 03:52 PM
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I am not social and it sucks that that being social seems to be the deciding factor for a woman to be attracted to you. There, is it better worded for you?
/r/seduction21/06/16 03:38 PM
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being a pua is. I have fairly good social skills, I don't enjoy being social, I think I said that often enough but noone seems to get it.
/r/seduction21/06/16 03:32 PM
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If they don't have anything that isn't advice in the tone of be social and approach girls, Im not going to put up with watching someone who appearently is a better person just because he is social. I got plenty of that here already and it is more or less useless for me. Apart from that, I don't have anyone who I could ask out, so there isn't any action that I could take.
/r/seduction21/06/16 03:30 PM
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What skillsets? I dont have any skills that would attract a woman and I don't have any value that I could give them due to not enjoying being social.
/r/seduction21/06/16 02:32 PM
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They are acquaintances, some may see me as a friend, but I know that they will forget me after out time together.
/r/seduction21/06/16 02:30 PM
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I already told you that my social skills are actually quite good, but despite the improvement I don't get any enjoyment out of being social. Wich is what my post was about, not some beliefes or improvements.
/r/seduction21/06/16 02:28 PM
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No, I don't even really have friends.
/r/seduction21/06/16 02:16 PM
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Theoretically maybe, but none of those women are in my life.
/r/seduction21/06/16 02:07 PM
1

And how would I not change and be fake when being social is not what I enjoy and the only advice I get is "be social"?
/r/seduction21/06/16 02:05 PM
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Yeah "social", it is more of a job than anything else, there is nothing personal about it at all. I don't want to approach strange women.
/r/seduction21/06/16 02:02 PM
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Of course I am friendly, but they are not there to make friends with me and I am not there to make friends with them.
/r/seduction21/06/16 02:00 PM
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Since I tried the first one, got pretty good social skills but still no enjoyment out of being social at all, I guess the second option is the way to go.
/r/seduction21/06/16 01:59 PM
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It doesn't matter if they have any interest in me. We are not there to be best friends but to get something done.
/r/seduction21/06/16 01:50 PM
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Why didn't you reply to a post where I actually said something about volunteering. Apart from that, I am volunteering and it does nothing for me with regards to women.
/r/seduction21/06/16 01:49 PM
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Obviously because I cant attract any women. Since the common advice for people who aren't social is "be social", I didn't get anything out of it either.
/r/seduction21/06/16 01:46 PM
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I have my interests and don't want to give them up just so I can put on an act, appear more social and attract a woman with a fake personality.
/r/seduction21/06/16 01:34 PM
1

Not wanting to be a manipulating pua=unsuccessful life. Geez what a hard choice, my values or "success".
/r/seduction21/06/16 01:33 PM
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I did believe in myself back then, now I have no reason to do so when it comes to women, especially strange women.
/r/seduction21/06/16 01:28 PM
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I am not horrible at it, I am pretty good at public speaking and have to be in contact with people all the time. But I guess you know way more about me than I do Sherlock
/r/seduction21/06/16 01:26 PM
1

First level support, but I am also a leader of a students consulting organisation.
/r/seduction21/06/16 01:22 PM
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and do what? Go to a bar alone and talk to random strangers, who are there with their friends? Why? They more than likely have no interest in talking to me, they have their social circle, there is nothing in for them. Apart from that I don't even drink, so I would have to give up another thing that is important to me and slowly become an alcoholic.
/r/seduction21/06/16 01:20 PM
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I like who I am, I cant and wont be someone else.
/r/seduction21/06/16 01:10 PM
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I am not even talking about social skills, but being social. I don't enjoy social gatherings and can't stand them for more that 2 hours. I despite partys and clubs, there is nothing fun about it for me. Sure you can take computerclasses, but you cant and should not change your personality.
/r/seduction21/06/16 01:08 PM
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If that was true, why didn't it work with the women who already knew me? If I couldn't get any of them the slightest bit attracted to me, why should I even bother with a stranger, where all odds are against me?
/r/seduction21/06/16 01:04 PM
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I can't take action anymore, I already blew my chances with all women that I know. To be honest I habe no interest in PUA and the rsd guys seem to be more than just a bit douchy. Nothing I would be content with being even if they get girls.
/r/seduction21/06/16 12:54 PM
1

yes, with 500k people. I don't see how that would be an advantage or disadvantage.
/r/seduction21/06/16 12:50 PM
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foreveralone is actually a place that makes me feel way betrer than this. Everything here is just foreign and most of the time creepy to me.
/r/seduction21/06/16 12:05 PM
1

what has self improvement to do with doing things that I hate? Amd why would I want to be with someone who likes the act that I put up to appear more attractive?
/r/seduction21/06/16 12:02 PM
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How should I believe that I am enough for a woman when it is not true at all. It has been proven to me so many times, even before I gave up and lost all hope of ever finding someone who would like me. I got rejected by basically every woman I knew and bothered to ask out. How would anyone remain to think positive about this when it is just a lie? On approaching strangers, there is nothing giving about it. Sure I give them my attention, but who says they even want it? what I am taking is so much …
/r/seduction21/06/16 11:55 AM
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I was hoping there are some that are like me here and not just manipulating puas.
/r/seduction21/06/16 10:45 AM
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Thats because it is daunting. Im sorry but not everyone can go around and talk to 20 strangers every day, just to get shot down, much less have fun doing it. Going out 4 times a week will not only make me depressed, but also hurt my wallet pretty bad and throw out all the weightlifting progress that I want.
/r/seduction21/06/16 10:43 AM
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I already got rejected by every woman I knew and was interested in, it is not my evaluation but theirs. How could I see it as something enjoyable when it isn't 95% of times.
/r/seduction21/06/16 10:37 AM
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I have no interest in being a pua, I am actually more than just a bit repulsed by it.
/r/seduction21/06/16 10:18 AM
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You can't just decide to be the life of the party, much less enjoy it.
/r/seduction21/06/16 10:04 AM
1

appearently not having any social value, no real friend circle and not much of a social life is what doesn't attract them.
/r/seduction21/06/16 09:58 AM
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Even if I wanted to, I don't have any social value or a big enough social circle, or get enough enjoyment out of clubs or bars. I already asked out all the women I knew and was attracted to, so there is not much left.
/r/seduction21/06/16 09:07 AM
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I am not bored by myself, but others think I am boring. I don't want to fake being another person just so some woman sees me in a different light until she knows Im a fake.
/r/seduction21/06/16 09:06 AM
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No I acknowledge it, but I have no interest in faking anything I am not.
/r/seduction21/06/16 08:46 AM
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I don't particulary like being social but I would also like to have a girlfriend, no matter that it contradicts itself. But I know that it is pretty much impossible for me, so I will likely be forever alone.
/r/seduction21/06/16 08:39 AM
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I really don't like being social, I am kind of good at it when I have to force it. Not in a way that any woman would be interested in me, my intoversion, precieved boringness and personality apearently hinders them to find me attractive.
/r/seduction21/06/16 08:33 AM
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be a completely different person, great advice man
/r/seduction21/06/16 08:33 AM
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right
/r/seduction21/06/16 07:57 AM
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Not talking about skills but actually beibg social, I don't enjoy it, I am just the wrong person for women. I have no interest in being a pua either, tok much self respect to go down that road.
/r/seduction21/06/16 07:41 AM
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That example is not hard, I do that except that I am not actively searching for eye contact. I have no interest in approaching strange women out in the street, that kinda creepy and intrusive. I was more talking about patys, clubs, or social hobbies. I don't do any of this wich makes me seem boring to the women I know and got me rejected by them.
/r/seduction21/06/16 07:37 AM
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I don't go out, but how would anyone do that 3-4 times a week and not get burned out? Its not that I can't be social but that I don't enjoy it, especially with strangers. I can be social if I am forced to or around my acquaintances, but I don't have any strong desire for it, its just a chore that I have to do.
/r/seduction21/06/16 07:30 AM
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Be social despite not liking or enjoying any of it? For what, to trick someone into liking a persona that is absolutely not me and wait for them to disappear when I am myself again?
/r/seduction21/06/16 07:23 AM
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It is not that I don't have any skills, but more that I don't have any desire to be social. I don't go out to partys, bars or clubs, I only have solitary hobbies. When I am at the gym or in university, I have no interest in talking to someone unless there is something tbat needs to be said. Those are the things that make the women I know think I am boring and undesirable. And I have no interest in going around and just approaching woman after woman out in the street, it just feels wrong and cree…
/r/seduction21/06/16 07:18 AM
0

I live in a big city but I don't talk to strangers.
/r/seduction21/06/16 07:04 AM
2

yes
/r/seduction21/06/16 07:03 AM
2

Since rejection is certain, I just stopped trying.
/r/seduction16/06/16 03:03 PM
1

I don't have any perception of them, but I keep it in mind once a new women enters my tiny social circle. Wich will probably take a while..
/r/seduction10/06/16 08:20 PM
1

Then why are there no results? When you workout for a year, you expect to gain some muscles. But I have nothing to show for except rejections. It makes me seriously think wether I have some kind of inherently undesireable personality.
/r/seduction10/06/16 04:02 PM
1

I don't have much hope to ever get so lucky and get to that side.
/r/seduction10/06/16 03:16 PM
1

It feels like fighting for a lost cause with no results whatsoever. Im actually at a point where I don't now if it is even worth it.
/r/seduction10/06/16 02:38 PM
1

I can actually relate to a lot of posts on that sub. I am not ugly like most if them say they are, but not being social or outgoing isn't doing me any favors either. Actually, this sub makes me feel way more depressed than foreveralone ever could. Thats why I usually avoid it.
/r/seduction10/06/16 12:28 PM
1

what victim complex? I just described my experiences.
/r/seduction10/06/16 12:15 PM
1

Yeah, it sadly seems like the way to go...
/r/seduction10/06/16 07:25 AM
1

Generally seen, I am happy with my life. If my replies come off as frustrated it is because I am, but only about this small aspect of my life. How would you feel if the person you are is not enough for something everyone else gets without effort?
/r/seduction10/06/16 06:27 AM
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I don't think my perception of the women I asked out came before their judgement of me. You are right with the acquaintances though, I don't see them as friends and don't want to build a social circle with them.
/r/seduction10/06/16 06:21 AM
1

If there are no social hobbies aroudn where you live; you either have to move or start doing hobbies you don't like. Personally I would just move. I won't do either, but thanks.
/r/seduction09/06/16 11:46 PM
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I didn't think I was not good enough, but the rejections and responses I got delivered exactly that message. I was never good enough for any women I asked out. Some people like me, atleast enough to be friendly aqcaintences or give me the occaisional invite to some party. But when I want to take it further with a women I am either to boring, not good enough or she found someone better.
/r/seduction09/06/16 11:12 PM
1

It seems like people how are way worse off than me can get a girlfriend, but I am still not finding one or I am not good enough because Im not a social person. It is just confusing..
/r/seduction09/06/16 10:41 PM
1

From what you wrote it doesn't sound like we are much alike. It doesn't feel like I make mistakes but more that I am a completely wrong person, like actually not good enough. However thanks for the sympathy.
/r/seduction09/06/16 09:13 PM
1

Meetup isn't a thing here and I don't think my interests are worth sharing or meeting up for them.
/r/seduction09/06/16 08:05 PM
1

Thanks for the reply, I hope I can use some aspects of it. Get a role model. I don't know anyone who is a loner and still got a girlfriend. Fight. Fight the negative thoughts. I don't really have any negative thoughts, they are just the conclusions I get from my experiences. Move. Maybe working out is not an option right now but moving is. Weightlifting is actually my strongest passion. I didn't mention it, but I also didn't mention not doing any sporty, so I have no clue where you got that idea…
/r/seduction09/06/16 08:00 PM
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I do that, I know about their interests and make a point to ask them about them. But the general vibe is that they want to separate their friends from their work acquaintences. To be honest, I only see them as that too, nothing more.
/r/seduction09/06/16 07:06 PM
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Okay, that does sound like a logic explanation for it. It also takes away any point for me to argue against it, you could basically point to it everytime I can't believe something that seems to be so natural for you. Sadly it doesn't change that I can't do what is so natural to you. I can't even imagine me approaching a stranger AND getting something out of it.
/r/seduction16/05/16 04:49 PM
1

If it is so common, how come I basically never see this happening?
/r/seduction16/05/16 09:58 AM
1

It is because you never see anyone doing such a thing. Everyone keeps to themselves, the groups and the individual people. No one approaches anyone or comments on something obvious. Why would it be welcome when I suddenly go against that and say "the train is late today" when everyone sees that it is late? I have never seen anyone go up to a stranger and talk to them, people here avoid it whenever possible. Sure they are social, but why would they go to a stranger for that when they have their s…
/r/seduction16/05/16 08:03 AM
1

To your way of thinking, I shouldn't have gotten up from my table to approach those French people. It wasn't acceptable. Except it WAS. It's only your mindset which is creating all these arbitrary reasons for you to be alone. It comes back to your choice. Maybe it was acceptable for you, but I don't see me doing that, especially not when it is a group. Even if I would, I wouldn't see me getting that result or any positive result out of it at all. To be honest, if I was in the place of those fren…
/r/seduction15/05/16 04:16 PM
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Point is, relating to people based on the current situation, is not random, and people often find if refreshing. Because they usually spend their time in their heads or with their heads in their cellphones and having interesting things brought to their attention is a small thing, but nice. I can't imagine that, I would be extremely irritated if some random stranger approached me. Especially when I don't see the reason why he did that. You seem to bundle "being social" with these large events. I …
/r/seduction15/05/16 07:28 AM
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You know, you're actually hitting on the thing that sometimes irritates me about the PUA scene. This idea of randomly walking up to women. Doing your 100 Approaches or something. Atleast I am not the only one who finds that odd and is opposed to it. You're fully capable of being social when you decide to be. Right, I am fully capabable, but I don't enjoy it. If I can choose between going to the gym or going to a party, I am going to choose the gym, or if I can choose between my home or a campus …
/r/seduction14/05/16 06:05 AM
1

But don't lie. You have a reason. Anyway, approaching doesn't require a "reason." But I guess we don't need to get into that. You're psychic and omnipotent..... You've just made up your mind about what everyone who ever meets you is going to think about you. Thats right, technically I have a reason. But that reason does nothing for the stranger. Why should she be happy when someone appraches her for that reason? And if you don't need one, what makes you even do that? And more importantly what wo…
/r/seduction14/05/16 04:55 AM
1

This is your bias. You are not telepathic. No I am not, but why would I want to waste time approaching complete strangers. I don't even have a reason to do that. It will just end in awkward, cringeworthy and creepy situations. It's quite literally not about YOU. How can it be not about me when you are talking about people being interested in ME? People, by human nature, are into all kinds of people. Broken or not, there are people into all manner of people. Great, I can just wait for that person…
/r/seduction13/05/16 05:15 PM
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No, a friendship or even attraction from some random stranger in the city is unrealistic. This is what you are thinking about yourself every time going in. I don't "go in" anymore. Before they realize that you think you are shit, they are interested. Some people will be. Why do you keep on thinking that you can observe my experiences better than I do? Your persistence in believing this, creates a self-fulfilling prophecy. Since you think I am such a wonderful person, why do you think anyone woul…
/r/seduction13/05/16 02:26 PM
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any time you are going out into public, you are around people. People you could interact with. People you DO interact with, whether you like it or not. Body language. Eye contact. Denial of interaction. All things you choose out of a host of possibilities. I was talking about realistic chances, not some random stranger from who I would get a rejection at best, even if I was a better person. No. Most of those things you are describing are choices. Not characteristics. A lot of people enjoy having…
/r/seduction13/05/16 05:26 AM
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I was referring to your extracurricular activities, which certainly bring you into contact with people. Hell, even just going to school does. There are acquaintences who don't give a shit about me and strangers who I don't come into contact with. I know you think I am fighting myself, but I was just being honest about it. Which would not change the core of who you are Sadly the core of who I am is what repels woman. An unexciting loner, who enjoys being alone and doing things alone over being wi…
/r/seduction12/05/16 11:59 PM
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Well, to clarify, you can befriend anyone that you come into contact with. Doesn't matter how. Maybe someone better than me can do that, but I can't. Apart from that I am not meeting many people. Which means you can change things with thoughts. What things? I doubt it would change my personality, my preferences or somehow bring someone to me who thinks of me as enough for them. If you have "friends" who are a waste of time and energy..... They are preventing you from having better people in your…
/r/seduction12/05/16 06:21 PM
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Then that's different. They're like coworkers. How else would someone like me know people. Even just the simple standard of people only being allowed in if they add value to your life or make you feel good in some way. That would bring me down to zero, probably faster than anyone of us thinks. Wich would completely bring down my chances to meet a woman or the small chance that she deems me social or worth enough for her.
/r/seduction12/05/16 04:23 AM
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Bullshit. You choose the people around you, one way or another. I can't choose to be not around them. I have to see them almost every day and I have to keep working with them. People who are not supportive, aren't worth your time. Well, like I said I don't have the luxury of a giant social circle where I can choose who is worth my time. If I start to be picky, I will be completely alone again with an even lower chance to meet anyone.
/r/seduction11/05/16 07:53 AM
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There is no chance of something different. As cruel and hopeless as it sounds, thinking positive about my hopeless life won't change a thing. What do you care if some of them don't want to see your life improve? Those kind of people would not be friends. What do I care? I am not like you, I can't choose the people around me. I can't just jump from one person to another, I have to be happy with the ones I am dealing with. It's either them or no one. Besides, you are the one trying to convince me …
/r/seduction10/05/16 04:44 PM
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What do I have to gain? Even if I manage to view all those fuck ups, defects and flaws I have as something positive. I still won't meet any women, not to mention being attractive enough for them. I will still be that boring loner, with the only difference of some sort of false hope. That hope just turns into pain once it is taken from me again. It happened so often, why should I want to feel those punches to the face over and over again? Right now I don't have any hope, I don't get hopeful when …
/r/seduction10/05/16 03:04 PM
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If you say so, you must know me better than I do..
/r/seduction10/05/16 07:04 AM
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I don't see that I am unnecessary negative. I am realistic about who I am, what I can do and what I can't do. This whole thread is about what I can't do, so sure it has a negative tone. I can't meet women, I am not attractive enough outside of looks and I can't make them feel attracted to me. I can do a whole bunch of other things unrelated to that, but that won't help me.
/r/seduction10/05/16 12:57 AM
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But then why bother posting to Seddit? This is a forum for people who wish to work on themselves. We aren't here to rubber stamp these circular arguments you are fighting so hard to hold onto. There is nothing I can work on. Even if I manage to (against better judgement) see every failure, every rejection and everything I am unable to do as something positive then I am still there waiting for the next woman to come in my life and reject me. I posted here because maybe someone who is as hopeless …
/r/seduction09/05/16 05:52 PM
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Hey, YOU are the one who considers your nightlife boring, so I guess you're damned either way. Unless you choose to look at it another way. No, I like it how it is, I said that others find it boring. I am not going to pretend to like it, just so others think of me as someone with an "exciting" social or nightlife I told you that I don't like drinking and clubbing and what you say is basically "go drinking and clubbing". That sounds just like the people who want to pressure me into doing it. I ca…
/r/seduction09/05/16 03:35 PM
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You do realize that all these things you've mentioned, are optional things that are not required at all to hang out with people at bars or clubs? Ok, how is it possible to go clubbing and not be around drunk people or throw away a whole night? And what should I even do there when Im not drinking and not dancing? First off, I'd presume that you actually aren't a shut in. You certainly attend functions related to your club, if nothing else. Yes, but there isn't much that makes me leave the house o…
/r/seduction09/05/16 06:20 AM
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Out of curiosity, what turns you off from these things? The hangover, giving up control, being around drunk people and the fact that I worked a whole week on my body and don't want to throw that work away on the weekend. Like social dancing Im not a dancer and despite having nothing I would like to join, I also wouldn't want to cut down my hobbies for It. What is your area of study? Business information systems Uh, no. You should take it as commentary on what they think of staying home all the t…
/r/seduction08/05/16 04:16 PM
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What things do they try to get you to do? Drinking, clubbing, giving them my results for almost everything in university, pulling them through the classes. In what way are you "useful" to them? I am one of the few that take our education serious. I Am useful in a sense that I teach them the stuff they don't understand. Last semester we had to do a task over the course of the whole semester. We got a bonus for the exam through it. Someone had the luck of "working" with me, one of my friends. He d…
/r/seduction28/04/16 05:20 PM
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I thought you said you have friends. More like "friends", they keep me around because I am useful to them and try to get me to do thinks I don't want to do. You didn't have to sign up for such things. And you definitely didn't have to put yourself out there for leadership in that group. Yes, I didn't have to do it, just like I don't have to go to school/university or work. Why did I do it then? Because presenting results in front of a group is a necessary skill in my field. No, technically I did…
/r/seduction28/04/16 01:05 PM
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What are loners then in your definition? For me it is someone with no friends who does everything he does alone and doesn't socialize when he doesn't have to. Again, I question whether what I've said has sunk in. It doesn't matter that you answer something mundane about what you've done on the weekend. So you just launch back into something about them. No problem. What if it is the third or fourth time they ask, by then they will have a pretty clear opinion of who I am and that opinion is usuall…
/r/seduction28/04/16 05:30 AM
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See what you did there? I was like, "You socialize," and you responded by downplaying it drastically. I didn't downplay it, I said it to be clear about how much I socialize, because you seemed to think it was much more than it actually is. Ah. Well, I've already mentioned the fact that being "interesting" is nothing compared to being "interested." It is possible to have a VERY interesting conversation just by getting someone to talk about themselves without needing to supply any material about y…
/r/seduction27/04/16 02:38 PM
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Policing your own thoughts? No point. What then, think that everything is good and I am not that unattractive despite the fact that the outside world tells me something very different? You socialize. I don't socialize much, basically only at work and in university. You already said that you were not bored with people when I asked you WHAT bores you about people. You said your real issue was fear that they'd find YOU boring. Make up your mind. Well it is both, I don't have that exciting life that…
/r/seduction27/04/16 11:43 AM
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Loner? You're not making sense. Listen to yourself. Loners don't have 5-6 conversations with people I speak to people after class or at work, basically the ones I know and they see pretty quickly how much of a loner I am. You seem to be dealing with hostile thought patterns in your own mind. The ironic thing is that you could be stopping this. You just aren't allowing yourself. Those thoughts are there because of no success and only rejections. Do you have any idea how miserable it will make you…
/r/seduction27/04/16 09:59 AM
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A lot of people lack insight or don't really offer it when offering words like "boring." The key here is that it's not about being interesting. It's about being interested in people. People just want to talk about themselves. If you are interested in that and facilitate it, that can be very interesting for the people you talk to. That only works so long, after 5 or 6 conversations they usually realize they are talking to a loner and then they know that I am boring. Right. But the confidence to s…
/r/seduction27/04/16 05:38 AM
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This is an assumption. You seem to think that you're boring and unattractive to people because of some inherent quality. If this were true then it would be impossible for you to have the success you've had in public speaking. Think about it. Not an assumption, I heard people say that I am boring and uneventful. I am successful there because I am acting. I am making an effort to relate to people, but it is just exhausting and I have to put something in that conversation to keep the other person e…
/r/seduction27/04/16 12:18 AM
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What bores you about people? It is not that I find people boring, but they will find me bieing eventually. It keeps you in performance mode. Which turns off girls you'd be thinking to date: speeches And when I am not in that mode I get the "you are so silent" line. I understandable what they are saying, but if I don't put on that act and perform, it usually ends with me just nodding and them going to someone else. I really can't win. Silence is honestly one of the more powerful components of con…
/r/seduction26/04/16 11:45 PM
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If you are truly enjoying time spent with another person, they are going to be entertained. Well I don't enjoy most interactions, they exhaust me and it is only a matter of time before people are put off by my boringness. If I can choose between talking to someone or being silent, I will always choose to be silent, I can entertain the people that I have to talk to, but not for too long. Do you not take credit for all the other hard-earned achievements in your life That was where my work paid off…
/r/seduction26/04/16 08:52 PM
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No, I haven't and I don't plan to. In any case, I'd say that simply faking it is not a beneficial option in your case. What then? Act like I want to act and put people off by my precieved boringness? Monst of the time I think about what to say next, what "story" of my life coul relate to what they are talking about or what questions I could ask to seem interested. I am most comfortable when I am with someone who I can be silent around or don't have to seem interested in.
/r/seduction26/04/16 06:19 PM
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With groups and the majority of one on one situations.
/r/seduction26/04/16 05:17 AM
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Okay, I try to.
/r/seduction25/04/16 05:45 PM
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That list sounds easy to internalize for someone who actually has success with women. I have to go against my experiences and force myself to believe most of it.
/r/seduction25/04/16 05:12 PM
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If you had friends that cared about you deeply, what would that look like to you? They would care about my problems and not only come to me to vent about theirs. They would stop trying to get me to do things I don't like (wich means they would listen). They would not only to me when they need help with something.
/r/seduction25/04/16 01:21 PM
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I believe that people see me as an intelligent and helpful but really silent guy, who doesn't like getting involved into too much drama. They appreciate me when we have fun together, but only care about me on a very superficial level, even when they know that I care about them. I would like to be precieved as someone who cares less about the ones that don't deserve it, but gets people to open up to me. I don't care for strangers, I prefer silence, I don't enjoy conversations very much Being able…
/r/seduction25/04/16 12:32 PM
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I didn't mean funny like joking around all the time. I mean that it is not fun. I can act in front of people for sone time, but it will get exhausting. I don't enjoy or value most social situations, that is why I leave out what you said would be the most important part. I have to act because otherwise people will see that I don't enjoy it.
/r/seduction25/04/16 10:39 AM
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Yes, I can't tell with what speed or success though.
/r/seduction25/04/16 07:20 AM
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Well, unlike in the gym, my efforts regarding the little social life that I have and can maintain were almost always in vain. I must be doing a fuckton wrong, so how do I best go about approaches?
/r/seduction24/04/16 09:36 PM
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I want to, I just don't know how.
/r/seduction24/04/16 09:23 PM
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You're no more hopeless than I used to be. You just have to decide to start taking action. Thanks, but I definetly feel that way after only getting rejected and never being good enough for someone. How could I even take action, without a real social circle, "exciting" hobbies? It seems like I am stuck, especially with my inability to do or believe in cold approaches. Yes. So? It just even increases their unwillingness to talk to me, that and the fact that they know my interest in them is purely …
/r/seduction24/04/16 09:15 PM
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Thank you for your reply. Why would anyone find it worthwhile to spend time with you, would you find it worthwhile to spend time with you? That's where you have to start. The answer should be a YES to the last question. That is hard to answer, I know that I can entertain people, but since I don't participate in most social activities I would imagine that I would bore people after a while. I don't know what I would do with them apart from talking and that doesn't seem to impress them long enough.…
/r/seduction24/04/16 08:21 PM
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First of all, thank you that you took the time to answer all that. I know I probably wouldn't be that patient with such a hopeless case. You would be upset if an attractive woman approached you? I doubt it. No, I don't even imagine that happening. More like guys approaching me and I have to stand there, listen to them and figure out what they want and it is mostly selling or promoting something or even pressuring me into donating. It's also hard to tell when strangers are meeting. If you walk do…
/r/seduction24/04/16 08:07 PM
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So you would say to just approach them? Im not really convinced that that will lead to anything, especially since I don't like getting approached and I never see anyone approaching strangers, so it doesn't seem to be a thing where I live.
/r/seduction24/04/16 07:16 PM
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You can be direct about your intent if that's your style, but she's not naive. That is exactly what I mean, she isn't naive, so she knows that I only talked to her because she is beautiful. She knows that I wouldn't have done that if she was ugly and she knows that I wouldn't care about anything that I said about her if she was ugly. How should I know that anyone is interested in dating, or even dating me? I would be interested in dating, she most likely not, atleast not in some stranger like me…
/r/seduction24/04/16 06:12 PM
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And that should just make it acceptable for anyone to get in their personal space and interrupt everything they do with some ulterior motive. I agree with your points though, but I don't think anyone who just goes grocery shopping or waits for the train to get home, or just has something to do in the city is open to an approach. Especially when we both know that I wouldn't have made the effort if she was ugly. They don't leave the house with the intention of getting approached, they want to get …
/r/seduction24/04/16 02:10 PM
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I can't imagine anyone wants to be interrupted tp speak to some random stranger, who just approached them because he thinks they look good.
/r/seduction24/04/16 01:16 PM
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eh I asked for information(that I already have). More than that would become pretty intrusive or creepy. Today will consist mostly of preparing stuff for tomorrow, studying and gym time in the evening.
/r/seduction24/04/16 09:20 AM
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What else would it be if not intruding and creepy? She is minding her own business, going about her day and suddenly someone interrupts all of that to speak to her. She is standing there getting interrupted, her personal space gets violated by someone who ONLY talks to her because he likes the way she looks. How can anyone be open to that?
/r/seduction23/04/16 09:57 PM
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I asked her what train goes to [whatever] station. She answered, I thanked her and left.
/r/seduction23/04/16 08:49 PM
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Ok, I am back now.
/r/seduction23/04/16 08:32 PM
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Its 7pm here, I am going to the gym in half an hour, will be back probably at 11 pm (long commute with public transport). After that just comes a shower and a bit of reading before I go to sleep.
/r/seduction23/04/16 05:03 PM
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I am not talking about reddit, but about my hobbies and work/education.
/r/seduction23/04/16 04:57 PM
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Only if I can by not giving up on anything.
/r/seduction23/04/16 04:51 PM
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With my choice of education and hobbies/interests probably don't have more opportunities than either of us thinks and I have no idea how to create opportunities (without giving up on the first)
/r/seduction23/04/16 04:47 PM
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I am rarely in situations where that is acceptable or possible.
/r/seduction23/04/16 04:40 PM
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Good to know, but I sadly don't have any women in my life to practice that.
/r/seduction23/04/16 04:38 PM
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at least I don't suck at the first three. Whatever kino escalation is, I have no idea.
/r/seduction23/04/16 04:22 PM
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and that is? (please don't say working out and washing yourself)
/r/seduction23/04/16 04:15 PM
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what would be your approach then, if that is such a bad idea?
/r/seduction23/04/16 04:12 PM
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judging from the amount of success I have with women forgetting about it is pretty much the only the only thing left.
/r/seduction23/04/16 04:07 PM
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Probably the best, since I got shit for advice from this thread.
/r/seduction23/04/16 04:02 PM
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to not care about this miserable aspect of my life anymore, to just forget about it.
/r/seduction23/04/16 02:38 PM
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I tried tinder for a month now, with almost no success. whatever hot, warm or chilly approaches are, I am pretty sure it comes down close to zero.
/r/seduction23/04/16 02:28 PM
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0, I already said I don't do cold approaches.
/r/seduction23/04/16 02:22 PM
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I study and work in a technical field, my hobbies are not only solo hobbies but also not something typically attractive to womem and I have no intention of changing either.
/r/seduction23/04/16 02:17 PM
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I get to know a knew woman like every 4 or 5 months, there isn't really a way to imrpove.
/r/seduction23/04/16 02:11 PM
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It is a choice, I chose to do what I like and to not do what I don't like.
/r/seduction23/04/16 01:40 PM
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It is atleast part of the reason.
/r/seduction23/04/16 01:38 PM
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yeah, but they are the only ones I have.
/r/seduction23/04/16 01:36 PM
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Well I am not a social person, that is why I asked for "how to deal with it" and not "how to attract".
/r/seduction23/04/16 08:12 AM
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They are friends when we have fun together, they don't care for my problems.
/r/seduction23/04/16 08:11 AM
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bitch is not a short way of saying women. Of course it is not on the glossary, but hb doesn't give any impression that you are talking about an actual human being that you value. They get reduced to a grading system, not a human.
/r/seduction23/04/16 08:09 AM
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I don't smoke and don't plan on starting.
/r/seduction23/04/16 06:00 AM
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How can the way you talk not reflect on the way you think?
/r/seduction23/04/16 06:00 AM
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It is funny, when every dating blog boils down to "be social women love that". Now when I come here saying that I am not and that that is what makes success with women impossible for me, I get told that it is wrong? I guess I can't win.
/r/seduction23/04/16 05:52 AM
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But at least it shouldn't be hard to develop this area of your life, considering that you're good at public speaking. I like it because I can put on an act, it is quite funny for 30 minutes, not so much for an entire day or an entire friendship.
/r/seduction23/04/16 05:46 AM
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By cold approaches I only meant the approaches in the general public, not in classes, there I atleast somewhat know them before I talk to them. In public, I would have no reason to talk to someone other than that I like how they look. That is just obvious, they know that and I don't want to be that intruding creep.
/r/seduction22/04/16 10:29 PM
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Tinder gives me like one match a week, so maybe something happens in a few years. I'd rather not lose the few "friends" that I have by talking about it.
/r/seduction22/04/16 10:02 PM
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I don't go there.
/r/seduction22/04/16 09:57 PM
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Through a hobby or university classes maybe, but that obviously isn't working. But I also don't want to be that guy that that goes around in the city approaching strangers.
/r/seduction22/04/16 09:54 PM
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I don't have any women in my life that I could just get laid with.
/r/seduction22/04/16 09:53 PM
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Sorry, but what exactly is genuine about reffering to women as HB# or working on your whaterver-closes, I don't see how this is part of being an ideal man. I am improving myself, but I refuse to start thinking about women in that way.
/r/seduction22/04/16 09:47 PM
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very funny.... no
/r/seduction22/04/16 09:35 PM
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I am hoping I can stay far away from the whole pua bs and after looking at the glossary, I am not even sure if I want to visit this sub again or why I am the one that gets discriminated as not genuine.
/r/seduction22/04/16 09:33 PM
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I wasn't hoping for anyone approaching me, I was just answering to the comment. I know women don't approach, but I have no intention to do cold approaches either.
/r/seduction22/04/16 09:30 PM
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Having those two things under control (I feel pretty confident in assuming you currently do not) will actually go a LONG way toward making you feel better, and making strangers more interested in introducing themselves to you... saving you the work of having to do cold approaches or be more social. Well you are wrong, I have those points under control, O even said it earlier, but they didn't make strangers approach me. Dancing classes could be a good idea though, maybe i try them out if I find t…
/r/seduction22/04/16 06:03 PM
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Well then tell me what I could do?
/r/seduction22/04/16 05:23 PM
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I mostly wear shirts and thin pullovers that highlight my body, but I rarely get new stuff. I am not much for accessoires, like bracelets, watches, scarfs and so on. Basically just a plain but body fitting clothing style. No facial hair, I don't like beards and I make a point to shave way before you could see one developing. Yes I take care of my hygiene, what kind of question is that?
/r/seduction22/04/16 05:10 PM
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Then what would be what a woman is attracted to and what are the fewer ways. I didn't get any hints that they would be attracted to someone like me. It's something you DO have the power to change. I don't know how without fundamentally changing who I am and what I do and keeping an act up, wich I have no interest in.
/r/seduction22/04/16 05:00 PM
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Being genuine obviously didn't get me anywhere and tricking them relates to giving up on the hobbies that I have and love just for this purpose, wich isn't at all honest to me.
/r/seduction22/04/16 04:43 PM
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It got me nothing, before I could atleast think that some of them would like me, now I am left with nothing.
/r/seduction22/04/16 04:39 PM
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What hobbies would that be? I don't want to give up what I love just to trick some women into liking me.
/r/seduction22/04/16 04:36 PM
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They are either not attracted to me or have a partner. I asked the few women I have in my life out, got rejected every time. It wasn't the smartest thing to do.
/r/seduction22/04/16 04:03 PM
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That is the thing, I have completely given up on that part of my life. Not from the start, but I have by now. Now I need to know how to cope with it. I get great results whenever I push my comfort zone, expect when it comes to relationships, I came to realize that I am probably not a person for relationships.
/r/seduction22/04/16 03:23 PM
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My biggest hobby is weightlifting, I have been doing it for almost 6 years now and got an amazing body through it. I quit my trainee job (dont know if that is the right english word, but whatever) to go to university and study in a field that I love. In my third semester I joined a students consulting club. We basically do the same things that consulting companies like Deloitte or PwC do only way smaller and cheaper. There I learned a great deal about public speaking and presenting myself and en…
/r/seduction22/04/16 03:20 PM
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Thanks for your response. I do most of the things you mentioned, except the friends thing for the most part. I also realize that I wont get anywhere, going to clubs/bars/parties with the intention of meeting a woman. But at the same time, that would be the only reason why I would even consider going there. I tried building myself up, but sadly nothing happened in that regard and I have lost all hope of that ever changing, that is why I asked how I could cope with my sotuation.
/r/seduction22/04/16 01:58 PM
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