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This sounds as ridiculous as people that say 'why would I want to make more money? I'll just have to pay more taxes!' Why not live your best life because primarily, it makes you feel good?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 07:00 AM
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All excellent life advice. I'd add a 10) to the list though: learn to accept rejection with grace. People get rejected all the time, for any number of reasons. Learn to accept that this will happen, and don't carry a chip on your shoulder from past rejections to interactions with future potential romantic prospects.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 06:52 AM
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if her brains are developed enough to join the army and drone iraqis, but sex with older guys is out of limits, you are probably a puritan, a moral hypocrite, or both. Pretty sure no one is suggesting these legal, but large, age gaps be made illegal. This is an apples and oranges comparison. If you wanted to make an apt comparison between these two subjects, it would go like this: Just as there is sometimes a predatory aspect to older men going after younger (but legal aged women), there is like…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 12:09 AM
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I prefer leaving my mistakes for others to see. No need to explain though, I read enough about this pseudointellectualism to have an informed opinion on the matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 08:59 PM
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What's so dystopian about being a badass alpha? finger guns On a more serious note, it blows my mind that all this started with flawed science looking at wolves in captivity. Then again, humans are fucking weird. If we did studies on monkeys and found instances of resource hoarding to the point where members of the troop were dying, we'd be asking 'wtf is wrong with that monkey?'. When billionaires do it though, we put them on the cover of magazines.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 08:54 PM
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You don't understand what an axis is bud. If you have a line, and at one end is 'arousal' and the other is 'attraction', that is one axis. Nevermind how absolutely wrong and ungrounded in reality this axis even is, but that's another discussion. Edit: pretty sure I misread your comment, apologies there. There's still a lot wrong with the alpha/beta nonsense, first off being that almost no one here actually reads it as an x/y graph, but also because if you do read it that way, you run into all so…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 08:37 PM
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It's reductive nonsense, and the whole idea of a mating strategy dichotomy on a single axis breaks down when you start talking about spectrums.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 08:27 PM
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A good way of putting it. I had always likened it to playing pretend on the playground. Lil Johnny: I'm Alpha! You can be Beta! *superhero noises* Lil Greg: Nooo, I don't want to be Beta. I'm going to be.... Sigma! *superhero noises*
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 05:04 PM
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100% true, and I say this as a dude that fell into that same mode of lazy thinking. I honestly don't know why it happens, it's not that I want to be lazy and dump running the house on my wife. Bit of advice. This worked for me, and it might work for your SO. Tell him to keep that list of stuff that needs doing, post it on his computer monitor or something, and just say 'check to see if these items need doing, all the time'. Me and the wife use this system (and yes, I see the irony in suggesting …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 08:24 PM
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Good post, but sadly it's wasted on everyone that actually needs to hear it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/21 11:59 AM
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I mean, sure, implied consent is one. Seat belt laws, laws controlling addictive substances, age of consent laws, laws dictating how the dead may be disposed of, laws against incest, laws against cannibalism. I would even argue there should be laws mandating vaccination, barring legitimate health reasons not to. All of these things pretty much negates 'absolute', and put limits on what we can do with our bodies. I didn't say the principle should be overruled lightly, only that 'absolute' has a p…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/21 08:14 PM
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I don't agree with WT's specific proposal (I'm not a fan of shaming people for having safe, sane, consensual sex under any circumstances), but I also don't think bodily autonomy is an absolute right. We don't have absolute bodily autonomy now, and I think that's perfectly fine, it's just a question of where to draw the lines.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/21 07:43 PM
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I'm going to argue there is no dysgenic effect going on. If we're using IQ as a metric for dysgenesis, it's quite clear that the average intelligence has been going up over the past hundred years. This is true both globally, as well as broken down into smaller geographical regions. Yes, wealth inequality is getting worse, which will hurt a lot of people, but I think that it's insane to argue that the solution to that would preference poor people having fewer kids to you know... a more equitable …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 06:38 PM
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It all comes down to what your values are. If relationships are transactional in nature for you, you're not going to find convincing arguments as to why you 'should' get married. This isn't meant to be a criticism here, I don't know you and I'm not judging you. For me, there is one person in my life that I click with on pretty much all levels. Is my marriage perfect? No. We have our hard days sometimes. But when I think about it, even if I could get all of those 'things' piecemeal from other peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 05:17 AM
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It's all good :)
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/21 01:02 AM
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Of all the bad faith CMV's I see around here, this one takes the cake
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/21 09:05 PM
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Came here for the redpill hamstering, was not disappointed
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/21 08:17 PM
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If you buy into the redpill playbook that women just have to be pretty and men don't care about womens finances/education, it's a perfect comparison. They use the same nonsense rationale that women having lots of previous partners is bad, while men having lots of previous partners is good. To be clear, I'm pretty sure the OP here isn't actually advocating for this, but showing how absurd the thought process is when you reverse it according to their logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/21 08:12 PM
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Okay I decide I'm not going to be her friend. Does that change her mind about only wanting to be friends? I would assume so. You tell someone you don't want to be their friend, then you just go separate ways. Yall aren't anything to each other at that point. I don't think you understand the concept of the friend zone and why men don't like it, it's similar to the concept of the Madonna whore complex but it's actually real. I understand it perfectly, I bought into that bullshit for years. Being i…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 02:47 AM
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The main issue and where we disagree is your concept of the friend zone is somehow voluntary on the side of the man. But it doesn't matter if he accepts the friend zone or doesn't. That doesn't change that in her mind that's where you've been placed. Nope. I'm telling you the friendzone is a construct of your own imagination. Our disagreement boils down to a) where the locus of control is and b) where personal boundaries of responsibility lie. It doesn't matter if you don't accept it, because th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 12:25 AM
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Because someone thinking you are attractive is not a bad thing. Rejection is always bad from the view of the rejected. You can think someone is attractive without acting on it. Rejection might be bad from the viewpoint of the rejected, but unwanted advances are bad from the view of someone that doesn't reciprocate those feelings. It's sad you're completely dismissive of that viewpoint. No, because it's not a negative to her. Either she finds him attractive or she doesn't, either way she is bette…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 10:24 PM
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Yes because it is their choice to reject. And it's his choice to pursue. So if we're assigning blame, why not assign the blame with the initiator? It's just as valid as blaming her for rejecting. I don't see what you mean. In what way do you not understand? If you're ok with blaming a single woman for rejecting romantic advances, do you also blame women already in relationships for rejecting other men? It's reasonable either way but it's still her choice and thus her fault. But no fault for a ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 08:23 PM
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You're getting very vague with your responses. Lay out a cogent argument if you want me to respond. Below is a kind of general response to whatever it is you might be hinting at here. You're putting blanket blame on women for rejecting a man's advances. Does this apply to women in relationships too? If not, why? If you're going to accept that it's reasonable for a woman to reject a man because she's already in a relationship, but not because she isn't attracted to him, you need to reexamine your…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 06:18 PM
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So? He still started the chain of events in this scenario. If we're assigning blame solely at the end point for a chain of events, then it must be the guy with the bloody noses fault for my bruised knuckles when I decide to close my eyes and swing my fists around in public.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 05:15 PM
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Two sides of the same coin. If we're asigning blame to her that she doesn't like him, you need to assign the inital blame to him for liking her in the first place, thus putting her in the position of having to make the choice to reject him.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 05:09 PM
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It's as much fault that she doesn't like him as it is his fault he chose to like her. That is to say, to any reasonable person, zero fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 04:42 PM
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Because when you say 'she put him in the friendzone', it puts the action, and thus the responsibility for the outcome (his hurt feelings), on the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 07:37 AM
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I'd say it depends on how they pushed the message. There's a wide gulf between promoting healthy eating habits and exercise while also making sure your kid knows you love and accept them unconditionally and that they should love and accept themselves... to nitpicking every little thing they eat and pushing the message that if they don't fall within a narrow range of beauty standards, they are 'lesser'.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/21 05:56 PM
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Catch made no such assumption there.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/21 12:57 AM
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"Only as faithful as their options" is the kind of bullshit peddled by someone whose moral compass only points to themselves, and can't fathom that integrity exists for some people beyond a buzzword designed to uphold an image (again, only in service of oneself). It's impossible for these kinds of folks to love and respect others as long as they hold that kind of mindset and worldview, and should be summarily dismissed, unless of course you're the sort that likes engaging in toxic, zero sum styl…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 08:30 PM
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A shame that they were so on the nose with it. Would have been funnier if they actually had banned dehumanizing people, and disguised it as an april fools joke.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 09:12 PM
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Have you ever considered the position that good faith discussions can't be had when people feel dehumanized, and that this basically sabotages tbe idea of a debate sub? This is about as tone deaf as 'I'm not racist, I treat everyone equally shitty, hurr durr', completely missing the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 09:10 PM
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Sounds like you're imposing your own idea of what the purpose of a relationship is on everyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 05:49 AM
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What's an 'ltr' if not a monogamous relationship? As for the 'why' other animals exhibit this behavior, it doesn't matter. As for 'gender roles', there's a lot to unpack there. Sounds like you're falling for a naturalistic fallacy. But since we're on the subject of extolling penguins for 'understanding their roles', maybe you should look at the other side of that. A lack of behavioral plasticity in gender roles is also leading to more severe impacts on penguin populations due to climate change.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 05:43 AM
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There aren’t ltr’s in the wild. There are absolutely monogamous animals aside from humans. What are you smoking?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/21 03:34 AM
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We all 'sell our bodies' in one way or another to get by. The only difference between a woman prostituting herself and my labor (which is resulting in a fucked up back and shoulders) is that her prostitution isn't socially acceptable while mine is. Workers are all being exploited one way or another under this system, I don't see the point on shitting on someone that's ultimately in the same boat as me.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/21 07:18 PM
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A few things. One, this is an excellent example of how you can get statistics to say what you want if you manipulate the data set. This average is for women 20 and over. If you narrow the age ranges, you get more precise data per age range. Two, men in America actually fare worse overall (slightly). This isn't meant as a whataboutism counter argument trying to shame you here, but rather contextualizing that anyone wanting a slim and fit s/o is going to have a harder time, if you focus on the 'av…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/21 12:07 AM
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So are grocery store cashiers in a pandemic, until it comes time to financially compensate them, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/21 03:09 PM
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To use a pop culture example from House of Cards, for a while Claire and Frank seemed very loyal to their union despite extramarital affairs. They were loyal to ambition, and used the image of a happy, stable marriage to pursue that ambition.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/21 03:13 AM
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I asked whether looks matter, or not. No, you asked if looks matter only on OLD and not in person. There's a very important difference there. Looks matter, varying by person in importance (and varying in specific qualities looked for), but they tend to be weighted more on OLD than in person. My first advice would be to learn to love and accept yourself, regardless of what method you go about looking for dates, because a weak foundation of low self esteem is only going to hurt your efforts. Then,…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/21 07:02 PM
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First impressions matter. And on OLD, first impressions weigh more heavily to the visual. You can't capitalize on things like a quick wit, situational humor, or leveraging networking (a trusted mutual friend vouching for you).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/21 09:32 PM
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Economic factors aside, I think there's a decent number of millennials finding it ethically dubious to bring life into a world in a climate crisis.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 10:59 PM
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Probably so, took me a minute to see the differences. Apparently 'British Blue' is the most familiar color variant, at least according to google
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 09:33 AM
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Ah yea, my bad. Had to google british shorthair. Just thought he was a bit of a chonker.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 09:28 AM
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Trump was handed an economy with decreasing unemployment, it was his to fuck up, and he did. Wages in the US have been stagnating, if you want to get a pulse on the health of the economy, you'd be better off looking at wealth inequality trends, and how purchasing power has changed over the last fifty years. Swing states are close, and water is wet. Doesn't change the fact the dude got crushed.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 01:27 AM
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Is your Russian Blue as skittish and dumb as mine? Sweet cat, but dumb as a box of rocks, dude gets scared by his own shadow.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 12:04 AM
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Her kids are independent at the ages of 10 and 7?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 12:00 AM
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The 'economy' isn't the same thing as the stock market. When the top 10% own 80% of the markets wealth, that doesn't say shit about how good the economy is. And the election wasn't close, it took time to count ballots because in many states, they're not allowed to count ballots until election day, and we had record numbers of mail ins. Last I checked, trump lost by something like 10 million votes nationally and more than 70 in the electoral college.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/21 11:54 PM
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Much appreciated, and Happy New Year
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 11:57 PM
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This is the correct answer. OP, you're seeing the effects of immersing yourself in a toxic, self destructive echo chamber.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 11:56 PM
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Perhaps. I dare say though that the mod team has had quite some time to address this, if it was an issue they wanted to address. A bit of unsolicited advice: If the mod team wants to cultivate a culture of honest, good faith debate here, hosting this kind of event is self-sabotage, and not just in a short term sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 11:46 PM
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If ya gotta go that far back to find a time when this wasn't a cespool of racist 'jokes', maybe it's time to reevaluate this 'tradition'?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 11:29 PM
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Maybe racism and all out misogyny was just never funny to begin with, and when you strip away the thin veneer of an excuse of 'it's just regulars making inside jokes', it kinda lays it out bare for anyone to see?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 11:26 PM
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The racists love purge week.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 11:17 PM
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You asked why someone would care, I provided an answer. We don't always have the option of just 'not interacting with people'. Your outlook seems pretty jaded, that's sad. Maybe try random acts of kindness. Might enrich your life some.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 11:06 PM
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If a dude is an asshole, unless you are in a relationship with him, then who cares. I mean, some of us don't like interacting with assholes, and think fewer people being assholes in the world is a net positive.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 10:04 PM
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It becomes everyones problem eventually, given enough time
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/20 09:44 PM
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Does this hypothetical guy not have hands?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 07:54 PM
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You can't teach compassion and empathy here, save yourself a headache. They see all this as a zero sum game.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/20 07:46 PM
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guarantees ALL men exceptions to the rule Make up your mind
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/20 08:04 PM
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I guarantee you ALL men on this sub will prefer the feminized one to the other two 100% of the time. Dude here, middle face preferred.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/20 07:44 PM
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Reality doesn't reflect your position, sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 06:00 PM
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The governmental overreach doesn’t happen because the populace owns, and continues to advocate for, gun ownership. Gov overreach has already happened, and is continuing to happen. Civil liberties have been getting eroded for decades. Voter disenfranchisement the same. Guns haven't protected shit. Instead we get wackjobs occupying national wildlife refuges and plotting to kidnap governors in the name of protecting 'muh freedumbs', these groups are more akin to domestic terrorists. , in the event …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 04:11 PM
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You can see the same thing happening in America with the New Democrat strategy - as various minority groups increase in size, education, and financial affluence, and given that one day, most Americans are going to be mixed race, it is in your party’s best interest to align with those with the most prominent identity politics. It’s not that Democrats want to ruin America or destroy it, it’s that they want to assimilate and reshape it into a new image of what an American “should be” Honestly, the …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 03:30 PM
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I'm already a gun owner. Have been for close to twenty years now. But I'm under no illusions about what guns are useful for and what they're not useful for, and I have enough common sense to know that certain gun restriction policies can save lives that are otherwise needlessly lost.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 02:38 PM
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Even if our military industrial complex were rendered useless, no country would even think about a land invasion of the United States just based on logistics alone Even under some fanciful fever dream where the worlds biggest budgeted military is rendered useless, so what? Disinformation warfare has ready demonstrated how to neuter the US. Tyranny is already in the house, you can stop baricading the front door. The erosion of civil liberties, disenfranchisement of the electorate, and corruption …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 02:35 PM
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I could see potential for long lasting impacts of corona, especially in the US. The pandemic has exposed some pretty glaring weaknesses in our healthcare and economic systems, this could be the thing that really pushes ideas like M4A and, maybe to a lesser extent, UBI, more prominently into the national dialogue. Considering how long our collective memory lasts on the national level though, I wouldn't place bets on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 02:27 PM
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His pattern of behavior says otherwise. The dude shows a disdain for democratic norms and has shown time and time again he's only out for himself, and will say and do anything to get what he thinks will benefit him the most.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 01:02 PM
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That horse left the barn years ago. Guns don't turn sheep into wolves, and the 2nd has become nothing more than a rallying cry for fear mongering whenever it's a dem in the white house to sell more guns and ammo and further enrich execs for weapons manufacturers and the lampreys that shill for them like Wayne LaPierre. Guns are Linus' security blanket when it comes to government overreach, nothing more. They didn't rise up during the passage of the Patriot Act, and they continue to suck Trump's …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 12:26 PM
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Yup. I've also mistook flirting for friendliness. To focus on the original questions though: What was the context of the situation? Was in my mid twenties at the time. Group of friends went out for sushi and karaoke. She was a friend of a friend. She asked me if I wanted to duet b-52's Love Shack with her. How did I respond? Agreed. We talked some that night, the context I thought at the time was flirtatious. Asked her for her # at the end of the night. How did she respond? Said she was interest…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 12:08 PM
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/middle_ages/black_impact_01.shtml https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consequences_of_the_Black_Death Seems to be an argument that the black death sped up the end of feudalism, I'd say that's pretty significant.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 11:46 AM
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In a sense, yea. I love being productive, and getting paid for it, but I also want to be paid fairly, and work in conditions that aren't exploitative or coercive.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 11:38 AM
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It's a fucked situation. America has a fetish for guns, and while I laugh at any nutter who thinks the 2nd ammendment is going to be useful in overthrowing a tyrannical government, I think the rise of fascist adjacent extremism with militias and police brutality might be compelling reasons to get one and train with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 11:36 AM
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I'd argue that any push to help the war effort counts. Not arguing with your point here, but women stepping up to tske factory jobs in countries where women weren't allowed in combat roles should be counted too. People wanna act like women in the US wanted equality till the bombs started going off, but ignore that it was the men in power that didn't even give them the option to fight. They also conveniently forget that feminists have been pushing to either end the draft, or be allowed to join th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 11:19 AM
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It's kinda strange that the working class accuse capitalists of exploiting them for their labor when they are willing to work for money under non exploitative circumstances. The difference is where the locus of control is.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 11:13 AM
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u/yeezywasgood I think that in a more ideal, equitable world, sex work shouldn't be seen as any different than more 'socially acceptable' forms of work we see now. And while on the individual level I certainly don't see anything wrong with voluntary sex work (voluntary being a choice freely made without circumstantial constraints like economic pressure, our choices aren't made in a vacuum afterall), I think yeezy has a point when it comes to the aggregate. Sex work currently is hardly constraine…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 10:56 AM
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I would say RP misuses science in another way too. Logical fallacy jumps aside, science has a pretty rigorous code of ethics that rp chucks right out the window too.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 06:08 PM
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Well, for one, misuse isn't going to hold up in every problem you 'solve'. So you're inevitably going to get a bunch of stuff wrong, but think you're right. This problem is compounded when you go around preaching your way of using the algebraic formula, and get a whole bunch of other people confused about the correct application of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 05:47 PM
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'It can't be wrong if it gets me what I want' is a pretty hot take. (A) observation has some basis in truth. Someone looks at (A), and comes to mistaken conclusion (B) about the implications of (A). (B) is then applied in practice with action (C). Results of (C) are believed to be the result of (B) being correct, based on (A), but in reality, results of (C) are due to (D), a completely unrelated factor. There ya go, a logical step by step progression about how real science (A) can be misused, ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 05:16 PM
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The obvious problems with this article aside, as already pointed out by other posters, why the panic over the thought of a population decline? We have billions of people on this earth, and as a species, we seem to be very poor at practicing sustainability when it comes to resource management. Civilization isn't going to collapse if we have fewer people deciding to have kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 10:45 AM
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I always took don't believe what they say but what they do as a human principal. "Take it with a grain of salt" meaning listen but don't believe. It doesn't mean there is malicious intent, but its human nature. I think men have this too. The same guys who say don't sleep around would do the same in a heart beat given the opportunity. Actions are more important than words. This doesn't mean completely dismiss but rather its a healthy dose of skepticism. That's not how I see it applied here. 'Don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 10:01 AM
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Easy fix then for sexual harassment. No consent? Crime. Consent? Not a crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 10:30 PM
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I'm literally sharing the results of the study against many people in this thread misinterpreting it. So you made a thread for a study you don't agree with and aren't trying to defend? I was born in the morning, but not this morning. It's either more enjoyable or not. If they did not find the situation to be more enjoyable as a result, then they logically would not have selected that option. Something can still be unenjoyable but to a lesser degree under certain conditions. If we are to accept t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 10:09 PM
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I think it's a pretty crappily designed survey, but you're the one defending it, so, pretty sure it's still me and you arguing. Setting up your questions in a strict dichotomy of 'fear inducing' and 'enjoyable' leaves out a very important third possibility, 'unenjoyable, but less so under x circumstances'. That the researchers left it out is obviously their own shortcoming, but you sitting here and defending flawed research is your shortcoming.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 09:55 PM
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Repeating yourself doesn't really change my response.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 09:46 PM
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All this tells me is that the researchers failed to use appropriate language and metrics for discerning between actual enjoyment and reduced unenjoyment. Congrats, you've shown that surveys are limited by the options given, nothing more. I mean, if the surveyors themselves can't even determine a 46% response as useful data, that just shows much they limited their own ability in how they framed the questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 09:44 PM
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I agree. Certain questions need to be asked of oneself in applying these maxims, but I think a healthy balance is achievable.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 09:36 PM
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Did 54% of women actually say that something could make it enjoyable? Because if not, it's you not using common sense. If I strapped you down and tortured you in the most unpleasant way you could imagine, then asked if there was something I could do to make the experience more enjoyable for you, am I to take a 'yes' as 'a lesser form of torture would be less unenjoyable' or 'a lesser form of torture would be enjoyable'? Use your noggin.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 09:30 PM
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Attach whatever labels you want to it so it fits in the framework of your worldview I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 08:54 PM
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My point being, the study doesn't seem to explicitly say that 54% of women stated that harassment could be enjoyable under certain conditions. That's you making an assumption based on questions that weren't asked in the study. That's bad science my dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 08:40 PM
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Could be enjoyable? Or could be made less unenjoyable? Those are two very different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 08:35 PM
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I mean, since rape is based on whether consent was present (internal feelings), is this an argument, that line of thought leads to some pretty fucked up stuff for how we approach 'what should be punishable by law'.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 08:31 PM
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Well, first, we need to come to an agreement on what basic human respect is. We may disagree on this, and if so, we're probably not going to agree on why certain rp tenets violate this. Imo, basic human respect can be seen in two parts. The first, that people have intrinsic value as humans. The second, that two maxims are followed. Treat others as you want to be treated. And treat others as they want to be treated. I see this violated by rp in a few ways. First, rp says 'don't believe what women…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 07:20 PM
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I think there are many tenets in rp, that if followed, are incompatible with basic human respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 06:49 PM
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Basic human respect comes in two parts. First, the acknowledgement that everyone has intrinsic worth as a human being. The second, an application of two maxims, that at first, may seem contradictory, but are in fact, not. Treat others the way you want to be treated. And treat others the way they want to be treated.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 06:47 PM
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I'm no psychologist, but speaking from my own experience in my own journey of personal growth, there can be a lot of insecurity and jealousy too. The idea that you're not the only one, and you start trying to measure yourself against her past partners is rooted in insecurity and a poor view of ones self worth (instead of taking a healthy view that hey, you're two people that want to enjoy each other, and have fun in that moment). So if you're insecure, the kneejerk reaction is to try and protect…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 05:50 PM
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Depends on the guy. I would say that there is an underlying societal line of thought that says 'sex adds to mens value, and sex takes away from womens value'. It's pretty well demonstrated in rp dogma with how they justify mens n-count as not being a big deal if it's high, but for women, it is a big deal. This view is hardly unique to rp though. Virgin fetishization (when it comes to women), has been around forever. And if you look at other historical sources (old testament for example), it's pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 05:23 PM
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Respect can be seen in two ways. Respect for ones innate value as a person, and respect for one as an authority figure. Imo, everyone should get basic human respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 04:58 PM
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I mean, if you can believe what women say, my wife has told me one of the first things about me that upped her attraction for me was how I treated everyone with a baseline of respect. Being polite without being a doormat, listening without interrupting, those are things she has high regard for. I think a lot of folks get this stuff backwards though. Being respectful isn't a strategy to get laid. It's just part of your character, otherwise it's just inauthentic. These qualities are a display of y…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 04:54 PM
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Depends on how you define BP. If you see BP as 'opposition to rp that doesn't include black or pink pill', there are no codified rules, and you're likely to find a whole range of advice depending on what kind of outcome you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 04:36 PM
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I think the state tried this once when they systematically kidnapped indigenous kids and put them in boarding schools. Alternately, we could just use state money to make sure those kids are cared for at home by their parent.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 04:25 PM
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Wonderful! Sounds like you have a fulfilling life, I'm honestly glad to hear that. I think we can agree though that 80% of men in the world didn't draw bad genetics cards, so most folks that believe in 80/20 are going to skew towards that 80%.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 04:17 PM
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I'd say, unless you think you're in that top 20%, join em. It's sad watching people beat this dead horse every week, I'd like to help these guys just move on with their lives into higher pursuits, and find some kind of enjoyment in life. Our time here is rather short, let's be the best people we can be while we're here.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 04:08 PM
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A nuance lost on many. I can't think of a single argument against 'I wouldn't want to be with someone that has x attitudes, because this demonstrates different values.' If that's all it was, then... ok. Be with someone that shares your values. Escalating it to demonizing people that have different values, values that don't show demonstrable harm, that's where they lose me.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 03:56 PM
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A great argument against unrestrained capitalism, very good comrade.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 03:49 PM
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If yall actually believed this to be some immutable truth, the most logical conclusion is that you should just give up on women. Why exist in a state of suffering rehashing this over and over? No one is going to change your mind on this, yalls minds don't want to be changed. Just go and enjoy life, find something else to give yourself meaning and purpose.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/20 03:41 PM
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Me and the wife go to couples therapy a few times a year, just because. We maintain good, open communication, but it's still good imo to talk to a professional, sometimes they'll have insights that the people in the relationship might miss. I look at it like preventative healthcare. Even if I'm not going to the doc for something wrong in particular, it's still good to go in now and then to let a professional that has more training and an objective eye have a look at things.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/20 07:21 PM
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🤙
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 07:17 PM
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You don't think a 50% reduction in risk is a good investment?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 07:04 PM
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I think it's the mask off racism, transphobia, and just in general vileness I disliked the most. People are already self-indulgent assholes often enough, why give them a hall pass to vomit it out even more? I'd rather see a week here where people have to compliment each other in every post.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 06:57 PM
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There was a point in my life I had no standards. And that's not a good thing in my eyes. I was so unhappy with myself, so desperate to fill that void, that I would have accepted any woman. Which to be honest, would not have been fair to the woman. It wouldn't have been love, because it wasn't about loving and accepting women for who they were, it was purely about myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 06:52 PM
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The Fifth Season 👍currently on my to-read list
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 06:44 PM
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Not a huge fan, but it's yalls sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 06:39 PM
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Woah now, let's not shit on Tolkien. Sure, the Silmarrilion was esoteric af, but I think most people can get behind The Hobbit or the LotR trilogy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 06:37 PM
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Biden. It's the lesser of two evils, but until the US gets ranked choice voting, I'd rather tread water than willingly drown.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 06:32 PM
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I don't know if you need to read any books. It was a rebuttal to the idea that a) women only write YA novels (although, so what? The Harry Potter series are YA novels and that shit was great) and b) that women writers in the past were 'held to a different standard' and contemporary women writers only write YA novels. I thought A Brief History of Time was boring as fuck, but I'm not going to shit on male writers over it, nor am I going to shit on Stephen Hawking just because it wasn't to my taste…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 06:12 PM
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No critique then. That's ok, you can poopoo on whatever you want, regardless of how informed your opinion is. But if it doesn't look like you're approaching this in an informed way, we can just end this discussion here, because arguing with the willfully ignorant has no benefit for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 05:55 PM
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Way to not engage with my post in any meaningful way.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 05:52 PM
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Whether we have free will or just the illusion of such is inconsequential. It's still a choice we make, in the sense that we are doing one thing over another. And we're still going to judge each other for the choices we make. If you have no free will to make one choice over another, by the same token, I have no free will in how I view you for it. I find the free will debate to be largely pointless, and a distraction attempt at abdicating oneself of responsibility for what they do. It's an exerci…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 05:47 PM
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You have an actual critique of Becoming? Or you just a knee jerk hater?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 05:38 PM
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Celeste Ng, Hanya Yanagihara, Michelle Obama, Marilynne Robinson, Heather Ann Thompson. Just because people are ignorant of good, contemporary women writers doesn't mean they don't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 04:47 PM
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Regardless of what people expect of me, it's still my choice whether to be respectful and compassionate. And that's a choice we all have.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 04:39 PM
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Can't say I envy anyone with as little privacy as that guy. That shit would debilitating for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 03:36 PM
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TIL Mary Shelley, Maya Angelou, Virginia Woolf and Jane Austen only wrote YA novels
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 03:34 PM
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Plenty of people don't respect themselves. Doesn't change how I'm going to treat them. Your views are unfortunate. I sincerely hope other people don't treat you with that kind of derision. I imagine it would be very sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 03:07 PM
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People have problems that manifest in all kinds of ways. They're still deserving of basic human dignity and respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 03:02 PM
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I honestly don't care how fat other people are. Zero impact on how I see them as people.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 02:58 PM
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Dunno. Never seen anyone 'demand' to be seen as beautiful. The body positivity movement at large looks to me about being about acceptance, and I see nothing wrong with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 02:52 PM
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Just me making fun of the 'male disposability' trope. Raid is a wonderful little time waster, so long as you don't mind super grindy bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/20 06:32 PM
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You sound super pleasant to be around bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/20 06:03 PM
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I can't imagine the harassment and discrimination helps with their mental well being either.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/20 06:00 PM
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I think if the 'development' of the internet has taught us anything, bullshit and extremism proliferate like wildfire and are basically 'alternative truths' at this point. Exposing absurdity for what it is relies on critical thinking and an open mind. The more common outcome is that when you give extremism a platform, the very act lends an air of legitimacy to the idea. You don't debate creationism or flat earthers with science, because they're not equivalent, and they don't operate with the sam…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/20 04:41 PM
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Yall can obviously run things how yall want, but my argument isn't really contingent on 'my side' being the non toxic one. I'm just disputing the notion that debate subs are inherently healthier than an echo chamber. And I'm not really seeing a counter argument here.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/20 04:26 PM
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Dudes a cheater. If he's willing to cheat on his wife, he'd be willing to cheat on you too. Your 'ideal' man is someone without integrity? Rip off the bandaid, it'll be better for you in the long run. And talk to a professional about this, ppd is the last place you should be coming to for advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/20 12:32 PM
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Not inherently. And I would argue, not here. Giving an air of legitimacy to a toxic viewpoint in the name of 'debate' or 'being unbiased' is far from healthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/20 12:08 PM
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Couple that with the myth of American exceptionalism, kleptocratic capitalism, a deep seated racism this country has never had it's reckoning with, and a mastubatory gun fetishization, and you'll get a better picture of things.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/20 09:07 AM
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Call it what you want. Nazi, fascist, white nationalist, to me, it's quibbling over the stripes on a zebras ass. And I am American. I've listened to, and watched, over the last four years to the changes in who I thought were decent people, that I just disagreed with politically, into people that say without a shred of irony that they can't wait for the next civil war so they can execute progressives. I listened to Holocaust survivors talking about the parallels they've seen. I had Holocaust surv…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/20 08:48 AM
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I already did. If you're unwilling, or incapable, of reading, and using a little critical thought in examining the history of the Republican party from the Nixon era till now, I'm truly sorry, but I'm incapable of spoon feeding you. I'll take your response as an unwillingness to examine the evidence presented in good faith, so good night.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/20 04:32 AM
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If you want to continue this in good faith, let me know. I've already shown how voter suppression efforts by Republicans has targeted black voters. REDMAP was about as large an united effort as one can get in voter disenfranchisement, and that was universally supported by Republicans. I'm not interested in this shifting goalposts nonsense. Waste someone elses time if you want to pretend that Jim Crow is something of the past, Gill v. Whitford shows explicitly that it isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/20 04:20 AM
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It's part of the Republican party platform chief. Disenfranchising black voters was a keystone of Jim Crow. Deny it all you want, I can't make you accept the information that's right in front of you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/20 04:04 AM
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/17/black-voters-mail-in-ballots-rejected-higher-rate-north-carolina https://www.npr.org/2012/01/16/145175694/legal-scholar-jim-crow-still-exists-in-america https://www.npr.org/2018/10/23/659784277/republican-voter-suppression-efforts-are-targeting-minorities-journalist-says https://www.demos.org/blog/how-wisconsin-voter-purge-targets-black-voters https://www.apmreports.org/story/2019/10/29/georgia-voting-registration-records-removed https://www.cbsnew…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/20 03:58 AM
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Depends on who you ask.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/20 03:44 AM
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Hitler was inspired by Jim Crow laws, in how he went about 'othering' Jews.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/20 03:39 AM
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You don't need to look further than Karl Poppers' The Paradox of Tolerance to see why 'the left needs moderation'. Nazis don't debate in good faith, and giving them a platform at all will only lead to violence, because that is what Nazi's rely on to get and maintain control. Moderation and 'censorship' are not inherently bad, unless we want to pretend that yelling 'fire' in a crowded theater has as much value as free speech, and deserves as much protection, as a civil rights activist protesting …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/20 03:36 AM
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From a logistical standpoint alone this would be damn near impossible. I can't even get 20 dudes to unionize, despite the universal crying they all do about management constantly. Ideologically, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. The women for pro choice laws by and large probably aren't with men who are anti abortion, so the people being targeted aren't going to be the ones that would matter. Also, a sex strike isn't going to light a fire under the seats of the people making the laws. You wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 07:26 AM
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So... some shadowy globalist agenda conspiracy stuff?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 03:09 AM
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Ok, but wtf does 'globohomo' even mean? Is it a portmanteau? Google keeps directing me to some weird 'jewish conspiracy' stuff, just trying to figure out what it means to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 03:01 AM
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globohomo brainwashing Gonna have to explain this bit, what is this exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 02:36 AM
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Ultimate expression of commitment and (usually) exclusivity. Got married because I love my wife. Though the timing was due to health reasons. The US healthcare system is fucking shit, and her insurance wasn't going to be covering something she needed. My insurance would, so we eloped.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/20 02:03 AM
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Not an expert on this, so take it with a grain of salt, but I think the rate of death from drinking, as far as things like acute alcohol poisoning, drunk driving, and related deaths (not talking about like, chronic liver failure here) has a lot to do with a few factors. Poor impulse control, exploring something new and not knowing how to moderate due to lack of education, and the discrepancy of perceived risk vs actual risk.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 11:14 AM
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The expectation that you would be drinking? Because it's the norm, and the people asking you are probably drunk (or getting there) themselves, so inhibitions are lowered and they're not thinking about how it might be rude to ask.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 10:24 AM
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Then just be honest about it. Some people get tired of explaining to a dozen different people why they're not drinking. If that's not you, that's ok too.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 10:12 AM
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A little alcohol can 'help' in the same way crutches help when you got a bum leg. Makes getting around easier, but you can't rely on it forever. I love a good drink on occasion, but I would never advocate relying on it to be social. Have a good base of self esteem and learn good communication/interpersonal skills. You can go to parties without drinking. Or just have one drink and carry it around all night if you don't like people asking 'why aren't you drinking?'
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 10:07 AM
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I mean, if you live in a place where therapists don't exist, I guess this might be sorta correct? The thing about non pill advice is that it's not formulaic, it's just a set of tools. It kind of presupposes a few things too, one being that the person looking for advice is in a healthy mental state, and the other, that social learning developmental benchmarks have been met. Neither of these things should attempt to be fixed by listening to randos on the internet armchair quarterbacking. This isn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 10:00 AM
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Wife is a super light sleeper. If I'm on nightshift, and getting home at 4:30am, I'll often crash in the guest room just so I don't wake her up. On the other hand, if I'm on dayshift, and getting ready to sleep at 8 pm, she sometimes goes in the other room so her watching netflix on the laptop doesn't keep me up. It's not an every night thing, on average maybe 2-3 nights a week? I don't really see anything weird about it, we're both pretty grumpy when we don't get good sleep.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 07:58 AM
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What is your understanding of what 'mansplaining' is? From what I understand, it's when a man not an expert in a particular field tries to correct a woman in an area of her expertise, believing his own opinion on the matter to carry more weight than her experience. Not a woman, so I don't know how prevalent it is, but my wife complains about it sometimes. She teaches business law, and occasionally I'll get a story about some freshman that thinks he knows the course material better than she does …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 07:49 AM
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I'm average. I got married. Still married, and happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 07:41 AM
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So men are more likely to fall in love at first sight than women are,because they primarily focus on physical appearance.This suggest that men's love is more idealistic, because they experience feelings of love more easily. The conclusion does not follow. Loving more easily isn't indicative of a 'deeper' or 'more intense' love. You could just as easily argue that it's a more shallow love, more comparable to lust, if a guy is falling head over heels based primarily on looks, and in a short time f…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 07:38 AM
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No worries, take your time man. If this conversation isn't pleasant for ya, we can always stop, I won't hold it against ya.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 11:20 PM
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Most people also want their death to be quick and relatively painless, and are more likely to pursue methods perceived to be as such. Don't know about you, but throwing myself off a building or hanging myself by asphyxiation sounds terrifying as fuck. And those higher rates of success even with methods more often associated with women can be explained due to that lack of support. Men have a serious problem with suicide, and men need help. There are several steps obviously before we get to the po…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 08:24 PM
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It is consistently repeatable though.They referenced 5 studies that had results that matched their study.Only 2 of the studies had different results.Also,you can't even see the full text for the two opposing studies they referenced.This is a problem because for all I know those studies could have been flawed.Which could be why the results were different from the other 6 studies. Onus is on you to show the other studies are flawed then. Well if we go by your standard of evidence.Your study about …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 08:13 PM
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There is no incongruency between the two facts. Women do attempt suicide more, they also have better support structures (we're talking about aversges here). Depression and suicidal ideation aren't one off instances. It's a process you work through, and having people to rely on increases the chances of making it through the process. The 'success' rate of completing suicide goes to men, partly because of the lack of (or poor) treatment that gets them to the place where they're attempting suicide, …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/20 12:25 AM
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Intrinsic in what way? Biologically? Or socially ingrained? Because if it's socially ingrained, the practice is a hold over from times where circumstances likely no longer apply, and that can hardly be called intrinsic if its learned behavior. And if you think it's biological, that seems counterintuitive, because testosterone isn't an emotional suppressant, if anything, it is associated with aggression, impulsivity, and competitiveness. And yea, men bear responsibility for the problems we've cre…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 11:32 PM
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They're not, and that's the point. If men followed a hellenistic model of stoicism, I don't see much problem with that. It seems pretty heathy in fact. But if dudes want to turn themselves into emotional pressure cookers and call that stoicism, well, that's gotta change. There's a reason why feminists say 'the patriarchy hurts men too'. The same ones that elevate men above women socially because men are seen as stronger, more capable, and more resilient are also the ones that are more likely too…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 10:55 PM
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Stoicism wasn't even around until the 3rd century bc, and how it's understood now is for the most part, a bastardized version of how the greeks approached it. The whole basis of it wasn't about denying and suppressing emotions, but using self fortitude to transform destructive emotions into clear judgement. This is so far removed from how men treat it today, it can hardly be called the same thing. And men absolutely enjoy elevated status for being male. Even at a young age, 'boys will be boys' i…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 10:44 PM
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I don't really see it as tearing down masculine identity though, any more than I see doing away with unhealthy coping mechanisms on the personal level as 'changing ones core identity'. And making counselling more socially acceptable for men is very much a part of what I'd like to see happen, but even that is going to get seen by many as an attack on men. I'm not interested in 'forcing' vulnerability on anyone, though it's interesting you bring up social hierarchy, because I agree that a large se…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 10:14 PM
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From your link: However, results with respect to demographic variables, including age and gender, are inconsistent. For example, some researchers find that agapic love scores increase with participant age (e.g., Lin & Huddleston-Casas, 2005), whereas others find that scores decrease (e.g., Butler, Walker, Skowronski, & Shannon, 1995). Similarly, several investigations have observed higher scores among men than women on agapic love (e.g., Heaven, Da Silva, Carey, & Holen, 2004;Lacey, Reifman, Sco…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 08:47 PM
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Don't get sidetracked bud, stick with one argument at a time. 'Women don't love as strongly as men'. Studies that explicitly support this assertion, or we're done here.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 07:10 PM
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It's a recognition of my hopelessness here. I can put numbers right in front of your face yet you will refuse to look at and understand them. The numbers do not support the conclusions you say they do. This is evidenced enough by the fact that the papers themselves where these numbers come from do not even mention your conclusions as possibilities, much less likelihoods. ​ Clearly not. Hint: widowhood involves losing a a man's loved one. Divorce does not. Singlehood involves having no loved one …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 07:08 PM
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It does. Do you have functioning eyes? Is your brain damaged? Ad hominens huh? Man, that makes your argument look super robust. ​ And with that logic they aren't being treated well for divorced and single men, yet for some reason suicide rates spike substantially more after widowhood for men than women. Do you consider divorce or the state of being single to be catastrophic events on par with a loved spouse dying?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 06:51 PM
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Significantly more for men than women. Hint: females evolved to recover more efficiently from the loss of their male provider. Study to back this up? Because I can show that women are diagnosed with depression more often, and attempt suicide more often. That doesn't jibe with 'loss triggers depression more in men'. If men are succeeding at suicide more, you still need to look at the why for that. You're looking at the event that triggered the depression, without considering anything else in betw…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 06:48 PM
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Males are far more devastated, which is why their suicide rate spikes 4x more substantially than females' due to that specific trigger, which is literally the title of this post. The evidence doesn't support that. A far more supported conclusion is that those feelings of devastation aren't treated, and have more severe consequences when emotional support isn't sought or received. ​ Surprising statement coming from someone who was, just moments ago, adamantly requiring the use of scientific studi…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 06:40 PM
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Contextless links don't mean anything to me. If you're implying those graphs show anything beyond 'catastrophic losses can trigger depression and tendency towards suicide', you'll need to do a better job at making your case. No shit, you would expect suicide rates to spike beyond the 'baseline' differences. The baseline differences are for the entire population, and are going to be skewed by specific circumstances that make subsections of the population vulnerable to suicide. The one that needs …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 06:37 PM
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none of which say anything about 'how women love'. Your conclusion is not supported by the studies you're linking
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 05:59 PM
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The specific trigger doesn't matter. Male suicide rates are higher across the entire board. And why would we equate being widowed with a divorce in triggering grief and depression? No shit sherlock, people are more devastated when they lose a spouse they loved to one they didn't. Ya'll need a study to show that?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 05:47 PM
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There are plenty of reasons to want to live beyond 'finding a new partner'. The mere state of being alive is reason enough, it's why we consider suicidal ideation an abnormal mental state to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 05:13 PM
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It's not an evidence based conclusion. If you look at suicide in a holistic way, and what factors contribute to suicide, or rather, suicide prevention, much more reasonable, researched answers are available.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 05:11 PM
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Greater than the cost of the current status quo?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 04:43 PM
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What? Counterpoints were provided. Women typically have better emotional support structures, and are more likely to seek help when depressed. Here are some sources. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A:1011930128829 Sex Differences in the Relationship Between Social Sipport and the Risk for Major Depression: A Longitudinal Study of Opposite-Sex Twin Pairs. Kendler, Myers, Prescott https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12674814/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6142169/ https://guilf…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 04:22 PM
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So you're saying the paper doesn't support your conclusions, got it. Are there any peer reviewed papers that conclude women love 'opportunisticly' and 'less intensely than men' so we could make educated inferences? Because I'm pretty sure I could find papers that show women typically have more robust emotional support structures than men, and are more likely to seek mental health care for depression.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 04:02 PM
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There are sources that say 'women don't love as intensely as men do, and their love is opportunistic'? That's in one of those peer reviewed papers?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 03:46 PM
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All am hearing is 'I can't, so I'm going to deflect'
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 03:41 PM
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Back it up with peer reviewed science. I'm not interested in arguing against misogynistic fever dreams.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 03:37 PM
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An unsubstantiated possibility, rooted in misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 03:35 PM
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Cheap buzzwords. Show me the peer reviewed science that backs up that claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 03:34 PM
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It's perfectly logical. If your observation on 'how pain resolves itself' goes straight to 'well women just don't love men as much' despite the fact that it's well documented that women both have better emotional support structures and are more likely to seek help for all reasons behind depression (two major factors in preventing suicide), that is grade A lack of empathy, because yall aren't 'feeling their pain', you're delegitimizing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 03:11 PM
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Came here to say this. 'Women's less intense and opportunistic love style' fits in great with the misogynistic worldview of rp, but has zero basis in reality. How devoid of empathy does one have to be to assume women losing a spouse survive their grief because they are just ready to hop on the next 'alpha' dick that that comes their way?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/20 04:20 AM
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Sorry for the long wait. I don't see much objectionable here, even if I find your view a bit on the pessimistic side of how much our biology 'rules' us, or even if certain toxic traits might fit into that framework of things we can't grow past. I will say, only way to find out is to try. As a species, we've proven highly adaptable (maybe too adaptable, if climate change is any indication), and I think at least trying to adjust whats deemed healthy/acceptable in our behaviors is a task worth tryi…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/20 11:13 PM
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Well, you don't have to. I'm not forcing you to read anything I write. See? Perfect solution to your problem. You're welcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/20 09:43 PM
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'Stop complaining' is a dictate. And again, I've already laid out the case against rp, you're free to go read those posts if you want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/20 09:34 PM
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Sorry chief, but you don't get to dictate that. You can feel free to not like it, and voice it, but I can also invite you to go pound sand.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/20 09:16 PM
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I've already made the case for why it's crap, you're welcome to read the comment chain if you care about my thoughts on it
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/20 09:14 PM
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No dude, this part: Not that atheists should have to, is the point. Just because someone rejects fanciful nonsense explanations as to why we got here doesn't mean they need to have the answers. Yall getting hung up on the comparison I'm using to make the point. No one needs to have a replacement 'theory' for rp just to point out that it's shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/20 08:47 PM
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The assumption is there that its expected. And I've gone into detail in this comment chain expounding on this. You're welcome to read everything else I've written, but I'm not copy/pasting for every extra persons benefit that wants to ask me the same questions over and over.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/20 08:29 PM
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Why focus on the least important part of the post?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/20 08:26 PM
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not trivializing scientific theory. Evolution is about as close to settled science as we're going to get in explaining biodiversity. Yes, there is always room for more testing, but the theory of evolution has stood the test of time, it is clearly falsifiable, and yet it has not yet been shown to be wrong. And I don't lay the politiization of evolution at the feet of progressives, not by a long shot. We should be teaching science in schools. Testable, falsifiable science. …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/20 07:37 PM
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I do, but not directly. I can only speak from my experience as a queer male that not conforming with gender norms is quite damaging to your social life. Is that because of the hegemony of heteronormativity though? I'm out of my wheel house talking about queer issues, so maybe I'm off base, but it kinda seems like breaking down those sterotypes would help queer dudes, and the current social difficulties in nonconformity is more because this is a transition period, not due to what one would expect…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/20 04:22 AM
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Do you think curbing toxic masculinity would harm dudes social lives? I found my own vastly improved when I didn't feel beholden to to arbitrary codes of conduct that felt more like putting up a front than any kind of authenticity. And even if feminists aren't fighting for it primarily to benefit men, it doesn't take away from the fact that there is a benefit. And it happens, no need to apologize to me for that. It may not be 'about' men, at it's core, but there are plenty of groups that still a…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/20 04:03 AM
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Just not seeing it man. Outside of niche online spaces, I've never been called an oppressor, or asked to stand aside. And 'what's in it for me?' is pretty much the opposite attitude of what people need. Am I trying to motivate children here on empathy and altruism, or adults? But, if we're going that route, there is plenty that feminism offers dudes too. Talking about and participating in breaking down strict, binary gender roles and the myth of male stoicism is probably the single biggest thing…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/20 03:21 AM
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I'm left of Bernie (I get that outside the US this probably isn't anything shocking), and I have never felt 'left out' of the discourse. I'm also white and financially stable, if that gives you more an idea of my demographic. I'm not interested in dominating the conversation either. Is my life perfect? No. I have my own issues I've been working through for 20+ years. But I get out there and see how other people have it, people that didn't have the advantages I've had. You make connections with p…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/20 02:35 AM
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Well the other consideration isn't just them, but also onlookers. If one side offers answers and the other offers only smug derision, which is more likely to appeal to fence-sitters? I suppose if the fence sitters are completely lacking in empathy and find that an acceptable price of getting their dicks wet is not treating women with basic human dignity and respect, and they lack basic critical thinking skills, they might lean trp. Keeping these attitudes at bay with shame isn't an option anymor…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/20 01:19 AM
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'Works' in what way? What's the desired outcome? And I've read plenty of trp and asktrp myself. The point stands. If I'm making assumptions about others motivations, so are you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/20 01:04 AM
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Whether they choose to or not is really inconsequential to my point. One, I shouldn't be expected to do the work for someone just because I disagree with them, and two, (this is possibly the more important point), like theists clinging to their faith, you're not going to reason anyone out of rp ideology. People deconverting requires some kind of emotional shift that opens them up to accepting critical thought. And deprogramming guys from redpill will take the same (learning empathy, for example)…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 11:37 PM
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👍I got ya, I didn't take it to be that way. Just another perspective. Which part? I mean, the more mundane stuff like getting in shape, having hobbies, financial security, learning to dress better, etc, I have zero problems with. That's not exclusively redpill though, or even pioneered by them. I don't even have a problem with people wanting to learn more about broad trends where relationships and sex are concerned. My issues with rp can be broken down into a few categories. First, it's too reli…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 10:07 PM
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If you don't want to get into it, thats fine, but I'm not playing ball if you don't want to work with specifics. Too much wiggle room to move goal posts otherwise. usually at the expense of women. Says alot about your character. Sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 09:31 PM
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Even assuming thats correct (it's not), you think the answer is to go to the lowest common denominator in behavior? I'm not a fan of FDS either. They don't allow dudes posting in their sub though, so... shrug. If I'm making assumptions about what brings men to rp, so are you. Unless you got some way to peer into all those dudes heads?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 09:12 PM
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Which problems? And who in society is ignoring them? Rp might give guys what they want (at least in the short term), but that is not the same as 'helping' them. Look man, if you want to develop bad relationship habits, that's on you. It's also unfortunate for the women you inflict that shit on, but I'm hoping rp gets enough exposure that women are aware of the red flags, no pun intended. Pinning all your ill defined woes on society is kinda an abdication of personal responsibility imo, esp consi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 09:05 PM
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Okay bad analogy, but still, having now seen your user name I see that you've already made p your mind and nothing I say or show will change your position. Why's it a bad analogy? You seemed pretty good with it before. This belongs in selfawarewolves. ​ You are making assumptions. Then so are you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 07:50 PM
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I mean, there are all kinds of therapy models out there, for all kinds of problems. Cognitive based therapy worked great for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 07:41 PM
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Why the fuck not? You dont blame a drill sergeant if a soldier uses his skills to commit a war crime. You do if the army never taught the soldier what a damn warcrime is, and to not commit warcrimes. ​ Nah, their experiences do which then primes them for trp, all trp does is explain the whys. Their own experiences may have left those men feeling hurt and confused, but the 'whys' as explained by rp is what primes them to think about women in certain ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 07:35 PM
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I'm gathering this is boiling down to 'I don't care if it's unhealthy or harmful, I'm satisfying that short term itch and I don't care who I hurt to get it'. If that's where we're at, the conversation has run it's course.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 07:30 PM
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Don't be obtuse. You don't hand someone a toolbox and say 'do what you will with it' then try to play the 'but I don't support that' card when they actually use those the tools inside. 'RP is amoral' is a nonsense copout. The ideology primes men to think in certain ways about women and shows them the tools to manipulate them. It's amoral in the same sense a hand grenade is amoral. If you put it in someone's hand, tell them how to use it, then tell them that group of people over there is out to g…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 07:26 PM
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I don't care what shaming language scorned women call me, I've seen what makes them applause. Nice butchered Rick and Morty quote, really ups your argument. And I'm not a woman, I'm a dude. ​ Yeah but after all that self improvement, I realize these women aren't worthy of what I have become. Real healthy attitude. That chip on your shoulder is the size of a fucking boulder. ​ Plus they prefer to be treated badly, or at least they respond more positively to it. The language of abuse. Sad, but not…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 07:11 PM
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Lying and manipulation work good enough though. Yes, if you're cool with being a shitty person, lying and manipulation 'works', at least on some people. ​ And it's easier than becoming a totally different person to please a woman. I just pretend to be the beta provider that will marry her and make all her self-imposed problems go away. Why not just change yourself for yourself? Not for someone else? If you're only doing all that self improvement stuff for women, guess what? You're 'becoming a to…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 07:01 PM
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Which cancers?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 06:51 PM
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It doesn't matter if you're saying it yourself, I'm talking about the general idea that the OP is proposing, and you seem to be supporting, that 'no one' offers alternatives to rp'. The alternatives are out there, rp'ers are just conditioned to ignore them. Don't know what past discussions you're talking about, or how you feel I've been self defeating, but I'm far from discouraged. It's more apathy. Rpers don't want help, and I'm not interesting in trying to force anyone to do anything. Hence wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 06:48 PM
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I don't need to prove that all redpillers do that, only that redpill as a system supports it. Dread game and 'holding frame' are the two biggest standout examples of these behaviors.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 06:41 PM
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You can scroll up to one of my earlier comments in this chain about throwing shit at a wall. It might 'work' on some women, because shocker, not everyone is the same. But I say 'work' in the same sense that amputating my foot works at solving a stubbed toe, or a cocaine addiction works at distracting one from depression.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 06:38 PM
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They think they can explain women's nature. And they think they have a system to 'game' that to their advantage. That's part of my issue with rp. That they look at these broad studies, make leaps of logic about all women, and then use manipulation and emotional abuse to try and use women for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 06:07 PM
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Women literally give advice, viewpoints, etc contrary to rp doctrine on this sub all the fucking time. It's just routinely dismissed as 'don't listen to what women say'. What's even the point of this thread then? If rp'ers say 'well provide an alternative explanation' and then people do, but they just come back with 'lol female solipsism'/'don't listen to what women say', '80/20', 'hypergamy', what's the point in engaging with them further? They're not open to alternatives that don't already jib…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 05:47 PM
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That's not the part of 'rp' I'm bashing, since that shit literally isn't exclusive to rp, or even pioneered by rp. It's just generic advice that everyone already gives. Practically every anti-rp'er will also give that advice. You can literally look up and see that I just said that: Keep the generic, but useful stuff, and shed the broscience and more manipulative/abusive aspects of it? Are you even reading what I'm writing?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 05:41 PM
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Editted for your convenience, if you're going to be pedantic.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 05:34 PM
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Except that practically everyone already gives that advice. If it's not unique to rp, and everyone already gives this generic advice, why stick with rp? Keep the generic, but useful stuff, and shed the broscience and more manipulative/abusive aspects of it? And if the 'real, actionable' stuff isn't exclusive, or even started by rp, it's fucking obtuse to say 'well you don't offer any other solutions'. I think it's pretty clear that the generic stuff doesn't fall under that umbrella of what we're…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 05:29 PM
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The 'improvement' part of rp is generic, milquetoast stuff that is plainly self evident to just about anyone. Work out, dress better, get financially stable is just what adults do. That's not some secret knowledge dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 05:12 PM
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I suppose you can stay the same. If people are so fucking lazy that they're willing to stay the same rather than do some work to improve their lives when it's pointed out how bad off their shit is compared to others, I guess they deserve what they get. It's really not a gotchya on me, more of a self own on rp'ers.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 05:03 PM
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And yet we have all these other industrialized countries that do it differently, and seem to be getting along pretty good, but we're still sitting here with our hands in the air saying 'but nothing else works!'. You're like so close to getting it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 04:56 PM
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It's a perfectly valid argument. It's just god of the gaps bullshit. 'Well if you can't explain exactly how it does work, you must be wrong and god must be the answer'. It's insufferable, and not going to change a theists mind anyway. And it's a perfect analog to this rp nonsense, because women here constantly offer different views about what they like, what 'works on them'. And like any religious fanatic, rp rejects what they say out of hand because a core tenet of rp is 'don't listen to what w…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 04:41 PM
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I've never been told 'women don't care about looks'. In a roundabout way, I was always told the opposite. Learn to drsss well, take care of your body and practice good hygiene are all bits of advice my parents and friends gave me. The rest though? Mostly true. My wife loves that I'm kind, and she loves that I make her laugh.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 04:29 PM
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That's a weird dichotomy you buy into. You don't think that maybe some stuff people create might be shit and either be valueless or have negative value? I think there's way more value in pointing out what is shit so others can avoid it rather than make said shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 04:25 PM
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See: throwing shit at the wall
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 04:19 PM
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Oh, I have no doubt abiogenesis happened. The particulars, no fucking clue, and to be frank, I don't really have a strong interest in the particulars if it can't be broken down to one of those 'EILI5' deals, no knock against your explanation. I think what some people in this comment chain are missing though is my point that 1) we don't need to have an answer to apply critical thinking to bad 'theories', and 2) it's ridiculous to expect that people do. It's like saying that if I think the US heal…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 04:18 PM
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Agnosticism and atheism aren't on the same axes. Atheism is simply a lack of belief, it says nothing about whether the knowledge of gods can be known or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 04:08 PM
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None of that explains how we get from 'nonlife' to 'life'. The origin of the universe and evolution are certainly theories contrary to the abrahamic religions dogma, but they don't address the question I'm talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 08:39 AM
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The studies they cite and the conclusions they jump to like superman clearing a fucking building in a single bound are two different things. I rarely see people taking much issue with the studies, unless there are problems with the methodology. But RP'ers aren't interested in doing analysis. They have a conclusion already in their heads, and work back from that to make the data fit the models they want to be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 08:32 AM
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I think the biggest problem pill folks run into is that they're looking for some prescriptive framework where one likely just doesn't exist. You can look at macro trends all you want, but it's not going to tell you how to interact with people on the individual level. RP falls into the same nonsense PUA did, where they have a script, and they just stick with it. By the numbers, if you just approach enough women, it's going to 'work' on some of them. That doesn't make the system useful, correct or…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 08:21 AM
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Not sure what circles you hang around, but I haven't heard any kind of in depth explanation of how abiogenesis would work from laypeople. Not that atheists should have to, is the point. Just because someone rejects fanciful nonsense explanations as to why we got here doesn't mean they need to have the answers. That's kind of what I'm getting at.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 08:12 AM
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That's a pretty big leap of assumptions as to motivation. Not a lady, but I don't need to offer some broad theoretical framework to replace RP just because I think RP is shit. You go around asking atheists to explain how life started if some god didn't do it?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/20 07:59 AM
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This is just obtuse. Sex can 'not be serious' to some people, while rape is still a big deal. The key point you're missing here is the issue of consent, and the violation of personal autonomy. By this logic, pregnant women that are prochoice should be ok with getting whacked in the stomach with baseball bats, since they're cool with abortion being legal.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/20 07:28 PM
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I wonder where the origin of this “men taking personal responsibility” stereotype even comes from. Just my own guess here, I'm no scholar on the subject, but I think it reaches back pretty far, and doesn't have any discernible starting point. If you think about the concept of responsibility, who do we expect to be responsible? Adults, ya? Teens, do a degree, and children, to even less a degree. Basically it's a sliding scale as we mentally reach adulthood, and mental adulthood can be seen as a c…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 09:13 PM
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This is the wrong place to be looking for advice OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/20 03:27 AM
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Maybe men are more likely to admit to other men when they've done something wrong Nope. At least not in any job I've ever had. People with the integrity and humility to admit when they were wrong are just rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/20 06:22 PM
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Self censorship isn't necessarily a bad thing imo. Self restraint, insofar as we're talking about neurotypicality, is a sign of maturity and consideration. It's why children with no filter is cute, but adults with no filter is cringy or gauche. And on the macro level, I think most of us could agree that not all unfiltered speech is good. Racists are an extreme example, but I think makes a good case in point. Sure, some people say 'I'd rather they be open with it so I know who they are', but the …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 08:45 PM
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Ah, I see what you mean. Ehhh, not sure. Maybe both feature and bug. I don't think anyone really goes into these places looking to become locked in an unhealthy echo chamber, I think they're looking for places to not be judged, like you said. I think that communities with strong moderation, a focus on healthy behaviors, and a self realization of what they can accomplish and whats best left to mental health professionals, and inclusivity are certainly less prone to those pitfalls.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 08:08 PM
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Username suggests you will not agree I don't see why. Nothing particularly objectionable here, unless you're also insinuating rp does encourage men to grow and get better. That I would disagree with. My above criticisms of fds are equally applied to communities like rp and mgtow.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 08:01 PM
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It's a trap most internet based advice communities can fall into. This is exacerbated by things like poor moderation, self selection, and a sense of aggrievement at the core of whatever the community is focused on.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 07:14 PM
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As it is now? Nope. I can certainly see how it may have started out as a place for women to avoid getting the shit end of the stick in dating, just like how mgtow might have started out as dudes just trying to live their best lives on their own. But I see it about as twisted as redpill and the rest of the ilk are.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 07:04 PM
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Do we really need a real fds equivalent for men? There are enough misguided <-> hateful reactionary spectrum of subs out there for dudes, I don't think we really need a perfect analogue for fds of the male variety.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 05:41 PM
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I'm not sure what this has to do with what I asked. Trapping people in a cycle of poverty and crime is certainly a problem in the US, and definitely leaves some kids without dads. What I'm asking though is 'how many men in the US have kids, as a %, compared to women who are mothers, with the same age group' (say, 18-50, for example)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 05:30 PM
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When did this sub get flooded with white separatists/nationalists/supremacists? I'm used to the blatant misogyny around here, but holy fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 03:07 PM
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It is a few men who have lots of children. We got some stats on this?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/20 02:38 PM
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You're dodging the question
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/20 09:35 PM
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And? How does that apply to anything? Are you saying any and all comments have to be a challenge to someones view? I'm not allowed to ask questions?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/20 09:29 PM
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Whats to debate? I'm just asking questions about how they see themselves. You sound pretty worked up
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/20 09:25 PM
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Does this mean rp'ers see themselves as people women would 'settle' for? That they don't see themselves as exciting?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/20 06:06 PM
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Nah, it'll tell you the time all the time, it's just you'll never know if it's actually right unless you have a frame of reference outside of the broken clock. So really, it doesn't actually tell you anything, since you can't really know if or when it's right, can you? Prager is a dogshit source. Yes, when you look at averages, men and women have biological differences. No, that doesn't say anything about any one particular individual. The issue I have with women are x, men are y arguments is th…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/20 01:21 PM
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I think it's important to have standards, boundaries, and expectations. When the mode of thinking switches though to looking at relationships as a zero sum game, or a when we look at potential partners in an oppositional or adversarial way, it becomes self sabotage.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/20 11:08 PM
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I don't really see being in competition all that analogous to self loathing, but I've also never killed a dude, and pretty sure the last time I was in a fist fight was highschool, so maybe I just don't 'get it'.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/20 12:54 AM
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You think men being misandrists is the default position? I'm not sure what you're trying to say here, please elaborate.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/20 12:26 AM
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I legit know dudes in their 30s that won't go down on a woman if she had been with other dudes in the past. Imagine being that grossed out by the male body. Shits wild.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/20 08:30 PM
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I'm entirely convinced at this point that dudes obsessed with women's n count are just as much self loathing misandrists as they are misogynists. If women's bodies are 'spoiled' by sex and makes them unsuitable for LTR's, what does that say about the men they had sex with? If they're the ones doing the spoiling, what does that say about their views on male sexuality? It's really sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/20 08:04 PM
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Not always. The costs of childcare are skyrocketing, and in some places, having a SAHP could be more beneficial than a second income, depending on what each income is. If you have a combined, two parent income of 60k, but childcare is a thousand dollars a month, you might be better off with a single parent income of 50k and a SAHP.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 07:58 PM
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I'd have to look at the paper itself more in depth, but I need more info. Do women want men who make that much because they're thinking about kids and don't feel 60k a year is enough for a two income household where a major expense is going to be child care? What parts of the country was this survey taken in? What was the median income there? The poverty threshold? The full study is behind a paywall, I'd want to see the whole thing before buying into any extrapolations taken about what this stud…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 05:48 PM
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The discussion warrants examination of the why.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 05:15 PM
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Looks like a neutral statement to me. ​ Oh no. I consider myself to be a libertarian. Women do as you please. As long as the stat is not shielding her from the consequences I don't mind. I don't know how you reconcile those two thoughts with this: That is something worth complaining. The benefits. I don't care if they don't have responsabilities. ​ Yes, but being willint to take on the responsability does not mean that they have said responsability. You can't decide to take on a responsability. …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 05:07 PM
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I don't complain. I don't value those things in women. Why would I want women playing the male role? You mean what you see as the male role? "Women today take the role of a man but they don't take the responsability because even if they take the role they are not expected to do it." This looks like a complaint to me. It's pretty much the equivalent of telling women to 'stay in their lane'. They're willing to fill those roles. They're willing to take on the responsibility that comes with them. Yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 04:44 PM
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So you're going to complain that women don't have the responsibility to have a career/join the military because you don't value those things in women. Remember, this is all within the context of the manospherian complaint that 'women have all the benefits, but none of the responsibilities'. You are complaining about conditions that you created.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 04:29 PM
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Responsibilities as defined by who? You? A woman's responsibility to be an adult is the same as any mans.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 04:16 PM
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complains women aren't expected to do the things men do, hence no responsibility it's pointed out men don't value those things in women, so no pressure agrees, but says reason why is irrelevant I'd say it's pretty damn relevant. If 'men' are the ones creating the conditions that don't value certain roles women can take up, we don't get to talk out the other side of our mouthes about how it's women that don't have any responsibility. That's fucking asinine.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/20 04:12 PM
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Thanks! I am too.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 06:52 PM
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You don't think a major drawback would be the knowledge that nudes of you are on the internet forever? I don't know what kind of women you know, but even the most sexually permissive women I know don't want their nudes accessible to just about anyone. We've already seen how nudes getting leaked via revenge porn has ruined womens lives, I doubt most will be actively signing up for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 06:51 PM
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"You know I've been flirting with you right?" (I didn't). "We should go on a date." Is about verbatim. I suppose it can be, depending on who you're asking. Women can be forward and assertive though while still maintaining boundaries and not being pushovers. I find clear and open communication helps with that. My wife made it clear from the start she wasn't looking for a hook up.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 06:38 PM
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My wife approached me. Married for 4 years now. Different people like different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 06:30 PM
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Sounds like you're happy not being monogamous. Keep doing what you're doing I guess, as long as you're acting ethically and not hurting people.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/20 09:48 AM
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Do your thing bud. I see no reason to try and change your mind on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 11:57 PM
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That's quite the stream of consciousness man. You ok?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 04:30 AM
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it is literally parroted everywhere! But you can still criticize it, right? Are you counting the manosphere as mainstream critique? Not as mainstream, but just that it is criticism seen. And to answer the question before it: https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/women-need-to-stop-discriminating-against-short-men-its-even-worse-than-fat-shaming-10494782.html https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/i-felt-insecure-how-height-rejection-impacts-men_uk_5e26fc4bc5b674e44b9e3b69?guccounter=1&guc…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 03:45 AM
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I mean, I don't really see where women are allowed to have preferences above critique and criticism though? 'Gold diggers' has been a criticism of women for longer than I've been alive. And the 6' thing is criticized everywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 03:19 AM
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It's perfectly fine to critique why people screen for higher earning partners. If you thought this was some kind of gotchya... dunno what to say man. You're responding to the wrong person?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 03:08 AM
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Having preferences is fine, but it's also fine to examine why people have certain preferences, and critique the reasons for those preferences. And if those reasons are rooted in sexism and misogyny, I don't see it being unreasonable to call it out as such. Guys are almost never attacked for having preferences, but rather, making moral judgments on women for doing things he doesn't like, or for hypocritical behavior, or his preferences being rooted in racism/colorism/some other prejudice. This so…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/20 02:51 AM
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People value looks, yes. That doesn't mean everyone values the same 'look' or that looks are all that are valued, or even always valued the most. Some people cheat. It's shitty behavior, and we all try to vet for that kind of stuff early on, so we don't get burned later. It doesn't always work unfortunately. This might be enough to put you off relationships all together, but I've been burned a couple of times in the past, and I guess what had me trying again was the knowledge that others cheatin…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/20 03:01 PM
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There is no way to prove internal motivation when you discount individuals who say ‘I’m not like that’ and have stupid excuses for every behavior. A cornerstone of RP doctrine, and of every bad faith CMV on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/20 04:32 PM
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I'm not sure why people equate high effort with not being able to enjoy a date, or not being able to relax. Maybe it's different for other people, but I am least relaxed around new people when I don't have at least a loose plan in place for what to do and talk about. I find that a little bit of forethought reduces the occurrence of uncomfortable silences and 'what do you want to do?' 'I don't know, what do you want to do?' exchanges. Remember, we're talking about interacting with people that we'…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/20 04:15 PM
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It's sad... It's sadder that you took my personal story of what I chose to do and put words in my mouth about what men have to do to be interesting. Nowhere did I say men had to buy gifts or make elaborate plans. I said that thoughtfulness doesn't necessarily mean expensive.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/20 10:40 PM
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Good bot.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/20 07:50 PM
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Low effort and low cost aren't the same thing. Low effort is lazy, and usually boring. A first date shouldn't feel like a job interview, you want it to be attention grabbing, and if you know anything about your date prior going out, something that shows an interest in what they like, or meshes with their personality. Thoughtfulness is 'high effort', at least in my personal experience. My first date with my wife was sandwiches in the park, then MST3K at her place with wine, and I brought a laser …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/20 07:49 PM
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And when you put blinders on, it limits your scope of perception.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/20 02:54 AM
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What can I say? I'm used to bad faith CMV's, they're a dime a dozen around here. If you actually changed your mind, great, but maybe step back and see how unreasonable your initial position was in the first place, and actually consider my critique of your initial position without a kneejerk emotional reaction. You think I'm mean? Fine. But I'm not under any obligation to coddle your feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/20 02:52 AM
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Only because you actively ignore what women tell you. I suppose when you shut your ears, the next 'loudest' thing has to be what you see.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/20 02:25 AM
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Call me what you want, sticks and stones bud.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/20 02:24 AM
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Why? To both parts. Why can't we expect men to pick up social cues accurately? And if they can't, why can't we expect men to not give unwanted attention? Are guys stupid? Incapable of self control? Both? If so, why should men get passes on that?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 06:09 PM
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That's unfortunate. I personally find there is a balance to strike between being nice, and being a pushover, but I'm lucky to have found someone that meshes well with my natural disposition.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 05:43 PM
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Bottom line is that women dress provocatively to attract sexual attention. If you find them sexually attractive, give it to them. I thought it was 'to attract sexual attention from people they find attractive'? Kind of a key difference there. ​ You’re the one suggesting that you have to ask her permission to laugh or that you can only laugh if she’s holding a sign asking you to do so. I'm suggesting that people need to have the social intelligence to understand what the punchline is. Your unders…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 05:39 PM
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Very active sex life, we both enjoy it a lot. A dead bedroom is the last thing I'm looking for, so we keep communication open. There have been a few low points in the past (her mother being diagnosed with a terminal illness killed her libido for a long time, understandably), but I've had my own low points too. We're there for each other, first and foremost.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 05:34 PM
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When I just started dating my wife, I asked my sister, who had gone to college with my wife, and was pretty good friends with her, what she was into, and if there were any topics I should avoid. My wife's dad is an abusive asshole, and she had all but cut ties with him. A week doesn't go by where she doesn't make a comment about how glad she is I'm not like him. I can apologize when I'm wrong, because I have integrity. I can ask her what she wants, because she likes to have input. And I ask her …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 05:19 PM
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How does that follow? Do you also think people shouldn't laugh at a joke without a big flashing sign that says 'this is the punchline, laugh now'? I mean, jokes are all different, how the hell am I supposed to know when to laugh? If you are in doubt, just don't. It's pretty simple man. You lose literally nothing by not making a woman feel uncomfortable. And if she is into you? Look for overt signs beyond what she is wearing, then act appropriately based on those signs. I don't just walk into peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 05:10 PM
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you will notice women reacting entirely differently to men in the same circumstance with the exception of their relative attractiveness. Literally in the post you're responding to, emphasis mine: Some things are going to be inappropriate no matter who says them. Other things may be appropriate in a certain setting, or with a certain level of familiarity/attraction Again, there is no contradiction. Me being receptive to my wife slapping my ass and giving it a squeeze while not being receptive to …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 04:50 PM
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Will do 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 04:29 PM
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There is no contradiction here though. Some things are going to be inappropriate no matter who says them. Other things may be appropriate in a certain setting, or with a certain level of familiarity/attraction. I'm saying, that unless you're sure your comments/behavior will be well received, err on the side of caution and just don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 04:28 PM
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His question is a motte and bailey fallacy, and bad faith arguing. He leads off the post correctly describing creepy behavior, but then instead of asking why women don't like being creeped on, shifts the position to why women are surprised when they're creeped on, and expects us to argue against a position that no one reasonably could.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 04:24 PM
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I understand what you're trying to say perfectly, I just think it's nonsense. If I go make a crude comment about my wifes body right now, shes not going to like it, doesn't matter that shes attracted to me. I know this because I know her well enough to understand what her boundaries are, what she finds complementary, and what she finds offensive. I can listen to what they say and watch what they do, it's like chewing gum and walking.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 04:17 PM
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It is a challenge to OPs view, specifically, the premise of the question hes posing
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 04:12 PM
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I'm married, I'm not making inappropriate comments at women in the first place (and wasn't when I was single either, I've got more sense and self control than that).
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 04:01 PM
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Seems like a good way to figure out then if the behavior is ok is to ask them first. Doesn't look like rocket science.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 03:57 PM
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...why women dress scantily and then get surprised when men comment about it... I doubt women are surprised by dudes shitty behavior, they just don't like it. Edit, as per mod request: His question is a motte and bailey fallacy, and bad faith arguing. He leads off the post correctly describing creepy behavior, but then instead of asking why women don't like being creeped on, shifts the position to why women are surprised when they're creeped on, and expects us to argue against a position that no…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 03:40 PM
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if women were actually the hornier gender but current social norms obsecures that fact, why don’t we see more attractive women having sex with less attractive men just to get off the same way attractive men do? Social stigma against it? Or maybe what acts as a 'catalyst' for their horniness is different from what triggers it for guys? I see on ppd pretty often women saying their libido is contingent on emotional connection. So maybe with that connection, they want sex as much as dudes do, but wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 04:41 AM
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A guy working min wage can donate his time (assuming he's not working 3 jobs just to get by. These folks I feel for). I work 12 hour shifts, typically 5 days a week, and while it's true I usually don't have free time to volunteer, I do give a lot to charity. And the guy that can't donate blood? He can volunteer or donate in other ways. All that said (this is directed at everyone, not you in particular), don't donate cause you think it's going to get you laid. Do it because you want to help those…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/20 01:03 AM
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37 m. Any behavior that breaks agreed upon exclusivity. Some behaviors are obviously more trust breaking than others. The litmus test is simple. If the question is 'would I feel shame, embarrassment, or the need to 'explain' myself if my wife knew, or would my wife be hurt by this?' If the answer is yes, it's cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/20 09:04 PM
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it is immoral to hoard that much wealth. ✊ glad someone said it
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/20 04:38 PM
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I always thought it was because of a fucked economy that forces people to live longer with their parents, saddled people with crushing debt, shrunk the middle class, and pretty much requires two incomes for married couples, pushing back the idea of kids back even more. Mileage may vary by location.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/20 01:49 AM
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What I'm seeing here, translated to non pill speech, is that healthy relationships strike a balance between operating as a team while allowing for the individuals in it to still be their own people. Yes, codependency is bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 08:22 PM
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In the face of ambiguity, asking for clarification is usually the 'mature' thing to do. As much as I'd love for everyone to be as straightforward as me, I understand I'm kind of an outlier. Kinda feels like demanding everyone cater to me would be a rather immature position to take.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 07:06 PM
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Yup. And a good hard look when this is all over at what 'minimum wage' means. Originally, it was meant to be a living wage, and should have just kept pace with inflation. If we have an issue where people don't want to go back to min wage jobs because bailout unemployment packages pay more, that says more about how fucked the average worker is more than how lazy people are.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 06:15 PM
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Yup. I don't doubt there are instances of women bailing, I just think the whole picture is usually less clear cut on where 'fault' lies. My own personal view is that there's a systemic failure, at least in the US, about the kind of safety net one should be able to expect in hard economic times. I see it less as a man v woman thing, and more as corporate capitalism needing a perpetual underclass to exploit.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 06:07 PM
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Possibly. I haven't looked too deeply into the research about that. I want to say I heard a bit on npr though about male depression(and maybe domestic abuse?) linked to job/home loss in Australia during the fires. A quick google search brings up some scholarly articles on the subject though, might be worth digging through.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 05:59 PM
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Economic instability seems to be a big driver for divorce, as well as a driver for other factors that contribute to divorce. Job stability and the provider role are heavily tied to masculinity, it's not a stretch to say loss of a job can send a guy into a depression comparable to the loss of a loved one.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 05:52 PM
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Assuming I wasn't already married, I'd prefer to stick with someone in my own age range, like, +/- 4 years. I'm LTR focused, so I want someone I can grow old with, someone more on my wave length for where I'm at in life and my/our/her goals lining up. Kids aren't a priority for me, but if they ever became one, and we were past that age biologically, adoption is always an option. Plenty of kids out there that need loving homes and a shot at success.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 05:45 PM
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Either decline and say she can pick up the next check, or accept her offer and just follow through. I don't think either way is more correct than the other. It sounds like he dodged a bullet on this one. Why make an offer if you're not serious about following through? Seems phony.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 05:34 PM
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Well you are complaining about the complaining, which is just as stupid. Am I? I'm not sure pointing out others behavior is necessarily complaining about it. I think their complaints are silly, but they're obviously free to keep complaining. And even if it is stupid, does it take away the validity of my observation? That was rhetorical. It doesn't. If you have a proper critique, why not make a post compared to an offhand comment complaining about the complaining. Because I don't owe you, or any …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 05:26 PM
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I didn't say anything about whether I enjoy, or don't want to listen to them complain. You're reading into something that's not there. I'm just saying that for a group that supposedly is 'enjoying the decline', they complain a lot, which seems indicative they don't enjoy this supposed decline.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 04:59 PM
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Counterpoint: The inability to pick up on social cues and non verbal communication is indicative of someone with low social intelligence, either due to aneurotypicality or immaturity/lack of social exposure or conditioning. And I say this as someone not very good at picking up subtlety and non verbal cues.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 04:55 PM
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They sure complain a lot for people 'enjoying the decline'
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 04:46 PM
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Dunno, I have this account, and my main. I'm not so bothered about people knowing my opinions, so much as it would be easy to id my wife from my other account, and I'd rather spare her having to deal with trolls and harassment.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 09:40 AM
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You can have boundaries to protect yourself from being taken advantage of without 'being cold', folks. Give it a try.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/20 02:21 AM
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I'll make this as absolutely as simple as I can. Behaviors can be categorized as helpful or harmful. Behaviors can be seen as traditionally masculine or feminine. When behaviors that are seen as masculine intersect with behaviors that are harmful, that's what is understood as toxic masculinity. I can draw up a venn diagram if it makes things easier for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 04:14 PM
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The one not adding anything is you chief. I've already explained what it is, you just keep being a broken record about how it doesn't exist. There's nothing for me to add, is there? You're not engaging in a discussion here, you're just shouting at the sky.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 04:04 PM
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My man, you couldn't illustrate my original point better if you tried.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 03:59 PM
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You can keep repeating that, but it doesn't make it any more true. You may object to how it's understood in the academic sense, but that doesn't really change anything, does it?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 03:50 PM
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Not sure how you're making that leap.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 03:48 PM
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You'll have to elucidate, I'm not a mind reader.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 03:43 PM
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Masculinity is a set of attitudes and behaviors ascribed to be masculine, some of which can also be described as toxic. Thanks for coming to my ted talk.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 03:42 PM
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Wilfully misunderstanding what 'good personality' means is the same bullshit I see when people wilfully misunderstand what 'toxic masculinity' means.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 02:31 PM
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At first, I guess I came here for the arguing. Now though, it feels like light reading compared to the rest of my reddit feed of police brutality and dystopian corporate capitalism
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 05:09 AM
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Men compete and women chose. That is why men do all the things they do, while women dont because they dont have to. Ever watched discovery channel or something? Humans are no different, our mating dance is just another variant of the male proving himself to the female. I don't see how that's relevant to my post you originally responded to. What does it have to do with what counts as manipulation? And i said: I saw what you said. People reject others for all sorts of reasons man. Unless there is …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 04:40 AM
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You mean like sexual leverage that women have over men, that the trp is supposed to counter? What? Gee, looks awfully close to "man up" 'Man up' is a form of manipulation, yes. Hilarious enough, I see men using this on other men more than I see women using it on men. Never had a girlfriend or my wife say this to me, but I see coworkers lob this at each other all the time, usually when someone wants to take a break before the job is done. I tell my coworkers this: you know your own limits best, d…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 04:11 AM
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I'm not a fan of using the word, "manipulate" because in reality, every social action we take is some form of manipulation when you break it down... Only if we water down what 'manipulation' means to encompass basically anything. I think that most people understand that when we talk about manipulative behavior, we're talking about behavior that actively tries to elicit feelings of fear, obligation and/or guilt in getting someone to do something.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/20 12:30 AM
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It's not often I agree with you, and I'm pretty sure the reasons I agree with this are different than yours, but here we are. 2020 is a weird year.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/20 06:06 PM
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Not always the case. My wife asked me out. Now, we did trade off on who planned dates, so I wasn't exactly passive either. It was really nice. Took a lot of the pressure off me to do the usual 'try and impress' shtick since I knew she was already into me. We still didn't rush most things (I think we first had sex after maybe a month and a half or two months dating), but I never looked at that as some finish line either, I just enjoyed her company, and it just happened when it happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/20 06:03 PM
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It originated from a OKCupid survey and has been proven over and over again. I'm not sure how this quora link show's it's been 'proven over and over again' when the 2nd answer there picks apart the 'study' methodology pretty well. It’s always the people who can get relationships telling the people who can’t to seek validation elsewhere. It’s like a rich person telling a poor person money isn’t Important. I don’t know about you, but I’ve never ever seen a person who’s been single and unloved thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/20 02:01 AM
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Hardly. I never said that all ethically good behavior is always rewarded, or that shitty people always get punished for how they act. And when I say 'holding them back', I'm not talking strictly about being 'sexually successful', I'm talking about being able to achieve and maintain healthy relationships. I think you've seen enough of my posting to know this.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/20 01:51 AM
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To some people, being with somebody you don’t find physically attractive is better than being alone. Can't imagine the partner would feel too good about that. Because it’s pretty common knowledge around here that women view 80% of men as below average in looks. Do you have evidence that a single tinder survey is representative of life at large? Incels aren’t just competing against attractive men, they’re competing against your average men too. If your average man is struggling to find dates, the…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/20 07:45 PM
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-29 men with dwarfism will be single or with extremely low SMV women. Aside from the general grossness of labeling someone 'low value', people can choose whether or not they want to enter a relationship with someone. If a short man isn't attracted to a woman, he doesn't have to be with her. I'd venture further that if he feels she is 'low value', he shouldn't be with her, it would just be wasting both their times. I've seen incel forums before. The vast majority of these guys that claim to be 's…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/20 07:10 PM
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So average heighted women never marry men with dwarfism? I'm not saying looks never matter, but I think people's preferences vary enough that the claim that it's impossible for men under a certain height or what have you to get dates just doesn't hold water. Seems more likely to me (in so far as incels are concerned) that rampant misogyny and non existent self esteem are whats holding them back.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/20 06:28 PM
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I was under the impression that black pill wasn't that 'height/looks matter' but rather 'height/looks are the only things that matter'. To disprove the latter, I think the fact that some people consider Danny Devito a sex symbol evidence enough. As for the former? I don't know anyone that says height/looks don't matter at all, but rather, it matters varying degrees to different people.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/20 04:29 PM
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Are you alright?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/20 12:23 PM
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Was gonna say, maybe people in college treating it like higher education and not an extended party?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/20 04:19 PM
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Whoops. My bad!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/20 02:49 PM
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Ya, but above that, Achleys (edit) said 'overwhelmingly do not orgasm through any various sexual encounter' ,(emphasis mine), which encompases a lot more than PIV alone. Don't think their comment holds up.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/20 02:17 PM
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I think a blanket statement like 'all men are misogynists' is about as useful (and true) as 'everyone is a racist'. Everyone has biases that they may or may not realize, whether it be along gender, racial, ethnic, etc lines. At one point in my life I had some pretty strong misogynistic attitudes. Of course, I never saw myself like that at the time, but I was. Self pitying, bemoaning 'the friendzone', a lack of empathy, dismissal of issues largely unique to women. Am I like that now? No, but I th…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/20 02:56 AM
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Yea, addiction is a whole other can of worms. You can't be expected to 'fix' or mitigate addiction anymore than you could be expected to cure cancer. We're pretty lucky to have each other. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 10:56 AM
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That's where I'm at on this topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 04:33 AM
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https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-digital/announcing-mtg-arena-macos-2020-06-22 It should be out for Mac by now. I wonder if covid pushed that back?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 03:12 AM
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I'm guessing yall are either playing commander or standard. Check out MTG Arena if you want a good online version of the game.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 03:04 AM
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I'd say it largely depends on both partners emotional intelligence, openness in communication, and willingness to compromise. My wife and I largely balance each other out personality-wise in many key areas, but we also have a shared value system, and good conflict resolution skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 02:59 AM
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Favorite mtg format? I know it's not an official format, but oathbreaker is my go to right now with friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 02:52 AM
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Whole lot of words to say 'man smart, woman dumb' you got goin on there.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 01:33 AM
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It doesn't matter how blunt you are, I'm asking what makes it good advice, from a woman's perspective in getting what she wants, and what makes him qualified to be doling out this advice? You call him 'red pill lite' if I remember correctly. I'm always being told that redpill was made as dating advice for men. Why would women, whose goals might not line up necessarily with what red pill men want, take advice from someone considered to be red pill lite?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/20 01:00 AM
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If men should never listen to women on dating advice because 'you don't ask a fish how to catch a fish', why should women be listening to this dude on dating advice? 🤔
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/20 11:20 PM
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Agreed. My home is a craftsman style I think was built in the 20's. Still has the original wood floors, one original bathroom, original art deco door casing and hardware... love it. My wife has the eye for antique furniture though, not me. I'd have a hard time 'putting a room together' if my life was on the line.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/20 05:56 PM
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But I guess, we'll never agree on that. 'Investment' for sex compared to previous partners doesn't even factor into my calculus, so in a sense, correct. Glad we could get to this point in a timely, amicable fashion 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/20 09:08 AM
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Set realistic expectations, and consciously pump the mental brakes if you feel like you're getting carried away too fast. 'The one' syndrome occurs when you let the rush of a new relationship cross over into territory where you're imposing a fantasy version of your s/o over who they really are. Get rid of the notion of 'the one' all together. Scrap this idea of a perfect, idealized partner. When you think about 'the one', you're more likely to get tunnel visioned when you think you found 'the on…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/20 09:03 AM
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Do you understand the difference between "comparing" and "equating?" Honestly... grab a dictionary if you need to. Considering I was the one that said 'compare' and never said 'equate', perhaps you might want to rethink your criticism. If you're incapable of reading context when I say 'women aren't cars', then I apologize, I'll keep things simple and straightforward. Pursuing sex with someone doesn't automatically mean that you like or are interested in them or approve of all of their behaviors.…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/20 08:12 AM
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How so? What is foreplay if not sexual acts that ellicit and build arousal? Oral sex can be both sex and foreplay, as it can be both penetrative and used to build arousal prior to other penetrative acts.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/20 07:31 AM
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Anal also requires an erection. Oral sex can be foreplay, if it's used to tease/edge/ellicit arousal before vaginal or anal sex. Squares and Rectangles
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/20 07:17 AM
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Never said that they were. Are we going to start being obtuse this early? You're comparing them to cars, are you not? Experience does tend to translate to more problems within a relationship, yes. The fact that higher partner counts are correlated with increasing rates of infidelity already betrays one major problem with experience. People who have less partners but longer relationships show that they're stable and capable of averting or tackling and working through issues. A bit tangential, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/20 07:03 AM
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Except that people aren't cars. Your analogy is just flawed in fundamental ways. Experience doesn't translate to more problems. If you want to look at indicators that someone might have a history of 'problems', that requires asking questions a little more in depth than 'how many partners has this person had?'
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/20 06:14 AM
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People are not much different I'd say people are the opposite the cars in many important ways. It takes time and lived experience (some more than others) to figure out what makes for a healthy, loving relationship (or if we're just talking about sex, what they're into, and what they're not). This doesn't necessarily mean lots of partners of course, but it doesn't exclude it either.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/20 05:35 AM
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Used goods are less valuable. Even if we're going down this bizarre, odious line of thinking that people are basically goods, your conclusion is still faulty. Sex is the act, or 'service/good' you're trying to aquire, not the woman herself. Chattel slavery is largely a thing of the past. And I don't know about you, but if I'm paying for a service, I'd rather pay the industry professional that knows what they're doing. That said, it's not healthy to view people in these terms, you're not going to…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/20 05:19 AM
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So, your position is that if something isn't illegal, there is nothing wrong with it?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/20 06:21 PM
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Almost like a 'separate but equal' kind of situation, one might say?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 07:37 PM
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The point is that neither character is grounded in reality, so conclusions drawn from observing their 'behavior' will also not be grounded in reality. Jack Reacher is a power fantasy by dudes for dudes, and Biff is a villain that doesn't ellicit 'tingles' in women so much as he just tries to rape them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 11:31 AM
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I'm not sure referencing two fictional characters (whose backstories are made up by writers, I'm guessing men here) really makes your point. And is Biff your go to example of the dark triad guy that women throw themselves at? You understand he was sexually assaulting Lorraine right?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/20 10:26 AM
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Not sure what you're tryin to say here. I'd say the evidence of my position is everywhere you look. Either people are capable of having shitty, destructive attitudes and behaviors without being psychos, or almost everyone is a psycho, cause most of us have been in that spot at least one point in our lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/20 07:51 AM
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That idealizing someone is both self sabotaging for the relationship and dehumanizing of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/20 06:42 AM
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People can still have shitty, abusive attitudes and behaviors without being psychopaths without a sense of ethics or morals.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/20 06:36 AM
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Childless, so I obviously don't 'know', but I can definitely emphasize with the experience. Closest I can relate to it would be sharing a cry with a buddy when he found out he was cancer free.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/20 11:44 PM
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No and no. If you're in a committed, exclusive relationship, and the only impetus for even considering this is your girl having 'more experience' than you, there are no justifed reasons to try and get a 'pass' for breaking that exclusivity. If you want to fuck other women, break up and fuck other women. My attitude towards threesomes is pretty simple: I wouldn't expect my s/o to even consider me fucking other women in a threesome if I wasn't willing to consider her fucking other dudes in a three…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/20 07:03 AM
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How are we defining right/left? Along american political lines? Are there no left leaning religious people out there? Or are they just considered too small a group to represent in this? Where are we getting numbers from to determine that?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/20 03:07 AM
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Did I say that all mail order marriages are human trafficking? Or are you injecting what you think I'm saying into what I'm actually saying?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/20 03:09 AM
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https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CHRG-108shrg96804/html/CHRG-108shrg96804.htm Maybe read a little from the experts on human trafficking in testimony to Congress and inform your opinion some more.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/20 01:45 AM
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The whole human trafficking issues aside, fucking lol. As much as some people around here screech about 'divorce rape' and fear of getting 'betabuxxed', you'd think they'd realize the incentives for women to even sign up for being a mail order bride are purely financial in nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 04:31 PM
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Didn't say just women, but as a hetero dude, my personal experience is (was, prior to getting married) dating women, hence my noun choice. And my comment was meant to be a mirror for what I see being expressed by a lot of men here, that there is a non insignificant number of dudes here that seem to carry anger at women for 'not committing their youth to one guy' and leveling accusations that any woman in her thirties looking to settle down is just looking for a 'betabux'. I get that everyone has…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 02:18 PM
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What question? The post is for women
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 06:32 AM
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Folks that carry that kind of chip on their shoulder should probably just remove themselves from the dating pool and fly solo till they get their issues worked out. I can't imagine being with a woman that carried all the baggage of every single failed relationship/rejection from her youth and projected that rage on every single guy out there that had nothing to do with her history of failed/non relationships. It sounds fucking exhausting being with someone like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/20 02:24 AM
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It's still arbitrary, because it's based on your personal whim. If it was a system, you wouldn't also be throwing out 30% statistics on heroin addiction. It's not 50+%, so why use it?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 06:40 PM
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Your line about whether a majority is needed or just a sizable minority in judging an entire group of people is what's arbitrary.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 06:33 PM
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So why are you throwing out 30% heroin statistics then? That's not half. Kinda sounds like you're picking arbitrary numbers now of what is acceptable to judge an entire group by, and what's not. Maybe you should think about this privately some more.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 06:17 PM
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You're using numbers to justify sweeping generalizations and character judgements, just like anyone that pushes bunk conclusions on crime statistics. It doesn't matter what the numbers are, the fact is, you're still using the same tactics. A guy should obviously vet for people he is compatible with and shares the same values with, whatever those values might be. Everyone, men and women, should watch how potential partners act, and react accordingly. This, however, is not what you're advocating. …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 05:57 PM
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I don't think we have the same definition of 'a well-reasoned response'. You want to use science to push a hateful, derisive viewpoint and agenda. I'm not dismissing anything, I'm adding context. Your conclusions are no different from those that throw out crime statistics when it comes to treating certain demographics of people differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 05:31 PM
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Ah, so you were aware of the study, but chose to omit it because it didn't push the narrative you liked. Got ya.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 05:01 PM
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If it's gospel to you, then you're misusing the science. It's sad that I linked peer reviewed research that didn't dovetail perfectly with your worldview, and you pretty much handwave it away. Maybe hiss less, learn to love more.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 04:43 PM
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Maybe I've just stumbled upon multiple herds of unicorns I think the more likely explanation is that the social media junkie, status chasing, self absorbed OF cam girls are largely a product of fiction, and at most are a very visible ultra minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 04:39 PM
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I mean, if you understand the idiom, then yes, there is something wrong with it. The meaning behind it is that once the cake is eaten, it's gone. You can't both eat the cake and have it just to look at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 04:33 PM
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Imagine your retort being that they’re not necessarily cheaters—emphasis on “necessarily.” Considering how you copy and paste that same comment over and over like it's a gospel verse, it kinda felt like you needed that reminder.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 04:31 PM
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I see a lot of people just wanting to have their cake and eat it too. RP'ers wouldn't be crying and bemoaning about women's supposed hypergamy and the 'unsuitability of sluts for LTRs' if they were really 'enjoying the decline'.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 04:01 PM
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https://www.psypost.org/2017/06/promiscuous-people-not-necessarily-cheaters-49077 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-016-0814-3
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/20 03:54 PM
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Active euthanasia is murder in the eyes of most sects of Christianity, as it is still taking the life of an innocent person. https://www.christian.org.uk/theology/apologetics/the-sanctity-of-life/euthanasia/ https://www.usccb.org/committees/pro-life-activities/assisted-suicide-euthanasia#church
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/20 01:56 PM
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'Life' in the most basic of senses, begins at conception, but whether something is alive isn't a useful standard for deciding on ethical issues surrounding abortion. If it was as clear cut as that, removing ectopic pregnancies would be murder too.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/20 02:11 PM
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Who?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/20 02:53 PM
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Don't really see how this backs up aoeusnth48's assertions, but ok, I'll bite. Grats, yall have moved up to misusing actual science. You've taken actual scientific research, extrapolated a set of conclusions about women who have had x number of sexual partners, and made sweeping judgements about their potential as LTR partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 11:11 PM
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I mean, I already have? I said none of your stuff seems to have any reputable, repeatable experiments to back it up and your observations seem anecdotal at best. And you respond with talking points. I'm not going to sit here and argue against what isn't science on the basis of science. There's no point to it. I might as well argue with theists about god from the basis of science.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 06:06 PM
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Points that have nothing to do with the comment you're responding to, but sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 05:11 PM
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Not science at all. If you don't take issue with that point, then we don't really have much to talk about. If you do, skip the talking points, and just address the questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 04:54 PM
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What data was collected that led to these assertions? What experiments have been done to test them? Are the experiments repeatable? Have they been peer reviewed? How are they falsifiable? Far be it from me to speak for someone else that says this isn't science, but as someone that agrees that yes, this isn't science (or at least good science), the above questions lay out why.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 02:25 PM
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I dunno, being kind to my wife is working out pretty well for me. Maybe your view that all relationships are a form of prostitution is the root of your probelm.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/20 06:12 PM
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I don't know. It didn't last for my parents, at least on my dads end. It lasted for both sets of grandparents, and it's working so far for me and my wife. I think societal values at large can show trends on how likely it is overall, but ones personal values, and ones s/o's values, are better indicators on the micro scale.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/20 06:05 PM
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'Unconditional love' is an aspirational goal, in some ways meant to follow the example put forth by 'the divine' (whichever flavor of it one might follow). Colloquially, when we talk about unconditional love, it's not about love completely free from conditions, but about healthy, reciprocal love that is deep, understanding and shows grace. Love that can be forgiving, love that is generous, love that spans time and survives when beauty fades and hard times come along. Men and women both are capab…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/20 05:44 PM
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If you think kindness should be rewarded with sex, that's an expectations issue on you. Normal 'rewards' for being nice is reciprocal niceness. Someone holds an elevator door for me, a 'thank you' would be an expected response, as well as reciprocity in the future for holding the door for others. If you're buying things for women in a mutually agreed upon non romantic setting, like say, lunches, reciprocal niceness would be trading off on who buys. If you're buying women who aren't into you stuf…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/20 05:14 PM
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Nothing, save for maybe massive brain damage. My value system is antithetical to RP.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/20 10:15 AM
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I'm saying there's a third option. Be nice for the sake of niceness. 'Nice guys' doing a 180 when it doesn't get them sex is super edgy, sure, but it isn't exactly personal growth, and doesn't make them better, more well adjusted people.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 02:16 AM
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Uh, no man. You can just be a nice person. Separate that shit from the idea of trading 'niceness' for sex. It's not hard. You can be nice without being a doormat. And who sees being nice as sacrificing something? What does being nice cost you?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 01:21 AM
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Or maybe adjust your expectations as to what 'x' should get you? Also, if you're being 'nice' only because you think it's going to get you laid, you're probably not as nice as you think you are, and people see through that shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/20 09:40 PM
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As long as you're not letting your sexual preferences effect how you treat people (basic human decency, kindness and respect), this whole debate on weight v height seems pointless. Why let people live rent free in your head because you're not what they're looking for? That kind of obsessive axe grinding is just going to lead to bitterness and a chip on your shoulder.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/20 04:00 PM
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You can't have everything, sis I'm a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 05:30 AM
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As a serious movement, why are almost everyone who is out there in the redpill movement selling useless soaps, "coaching" sessions and outrageously priced conferences? You're almost there man. It's all about the grift. Always has been.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/20 01:58 AM
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Agreed. Hypocrisy from those I already disagree with feels like expected, par for the course shit. When I see those I actually find myself more in line with ideologically doing that shit, it's infuriating.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/20 11:37 PM
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Figuratively, yea, RP'ers deepthroat that shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/20 10:57 PM
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Grifters, always looking for the next easy mark. Sometimes I think these guys operate in much the same way as the 'Nigerian prince' scammers. They spout such wild, insane shit that only the most gullible rubes will fall for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/20 10:03 PM
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Or Omegas, Deltas, Kappas, Epsilons, Mus, Zetas, Sigmas or Thetas?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/20 08:32 AM
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Yup, and the difference is that some people rely on that external validation, others don't
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 12:37 AM
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Negative. Sex can be enjoyable, yes, but the lack of it, for some people, evokes much stronger emotional reactions than just not getting to 'do something one enjoys'.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/20 12:30 AM
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I play it once a week now, fun as shit. Not as fun online, but I'm in a hotspot for rona, and one of our group members is immunocompromised, so we do what we gotta do.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 07:13 PM
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Talk it out with the other reds then, that sounds like a yall debate. I'm just pointing out that if you need to lie and be manipulative to get in someones pants, that's fucked up.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 07:07 PM
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There's gotta be a D&D joke somewhere to make about this, but it's just not coming to me right now. Maybe later after I get some caffeine.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 06:59 PM
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I don’t think passing a shit test is shitty behavior. If you have to lie and be manipulative to do it, then yes, it is, and that's the context that's being discussed here.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 06:57 PM
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Or, maybe the intention is showing other guys the path that worked for me in defeating depression.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 06:49 PM
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I mean, that was me for pretty much all of my twenties, so, yea? The thing is man, the underlying issue of depression can be a big factor in why people don't find romantic relationships. Depression warps your mind, and is not a mindset that's conducive to romance. You tend to look at everything in a 'worst case scenario' kind of way, catastrophize any social situation, and self sabotage. Getting to a good place mentally is kind of like the foundation work. If I hadn't done the groundwork to gett…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 06:47 PM
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'But she was mean first!' as a justification for shitty behavior is something we don't even let children get away with. And RP sees men as the adults in the room?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 06:19 PM
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It's a goofy, overly simplistic, essentially useless characterization. 'Niceness' might not be the thing that gets you laid, but a lack of it can certainly stop you from getting there (not even gonna touch on how niceness should be a fucking baseline for people as just decent human beings). So in a sense, it has value, just not in the way one thinks about it when you look at everything in a strict dichotomy. When you try to frame your entire personality in the terms of the things that you think …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 06:17 PM
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I mean, I've been around here long enough to see your posting habits. Shrug.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 06:09 PM
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I mean, thats patently untrue. You have a significant portion of people around here that see it as a bodily need. I think that shows theres a pretty wide gulf in the importance people place on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 07:16 AM
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I think you might be confusing vetting with 'maintaining the relationship' if you're still talking about vetting after marriage. There's a lot to unpack there with all the 'alpha/beta' stuff, and tbh, I'm not even gonna try. You're rooted in a misogynistic mindset that's gonna warp everything about women into a pretty negative light. I'd have an easier time breaking brick walls with my head than talking this out with you, and probably less of a headache when I was done.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 07:08 AM
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I can hardly fault people for making vetting a lengthy process when there are people out there willing to play the con game, especially when the potential consequences can be life threatening, like with domestic abusers. I'm not vetting anyone. I vetted my wife over the two years we dated, I wouldn't have married her if I had doubts about her.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 06:57 AM
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I mean, I'd hardly call them truths, but I'm willing to accept you see it as the truth. And my quotes around 'passing shit tests' should tell you something about how I view the very concept of 'shit tests'. Here's the thing. The vast majority of what I see described as 'shit tests' is just vetting, in some form or another. Some people do it in nicer ways than others, but thats neither here nor there. If you're being manipulative to put yourself forward as something you're not, just to use someon…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 06:49 AM
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What's wrong with "I am not doing the things I enjoy doing?" No one thinks they're worthless if they can't play tennis. There's no reason to think sex is any different. Well, in an ideal world, it wouldn't. Unfortunately, especially for guys, theres a pretty pernicious idea being pushed that ones worth is attached to ones ability to get sex. That's an argument for sex as a cure for depression. Hardly. It's about as much of a cure for depression as painkillers are a cure for broken bones. All the…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 06:37 AM
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If you're comparing 'passing a shit test', which ya boy ghost straight up says later in the comment chain to just be manipulative, to a job interview, I don't see anything dishonest about pointing out that being manipulative in the former dovetails pretty well with lying through your teeth and spinning some master class bullshit in the latter. That last bit is some low quality bait my man, be more subtle next time if you want me to bite.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 06:25 AM
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Sexlessness is just the mode that exposes the deeper issue of depression. In this case, usually a lack of self worth/love. When you tie your self worth to external validation, the lack of that validation leads to a pretty foreseeable conclusion. No one will have sex with me, therefore I am... and fill in the blank. Worthless. Unlovable. Subhuman. Therapy rightly does not treat sexlessness, it treats the deeper issue that causes the depression. It's aim is to move you to a healthy state of mind w…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 06:10 AM
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I've been called worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 05:33 AM
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If they make a whole movement around it, seems like they're dedicating a pretty significant portion of their life to it. Still seems sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 05:32 AM
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I'm not a huge fan of inauthenticity and people putting up fronts, thats all. Especially when the end game is to just use people. It's a shame for RP'ers too. Chasing fleeting satisfaction based on lies and manipulation sounds like a pretty empty life.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 05:22 AM
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Nothing to be embarrassed about, we all have em. Best to just own it and come to terms with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 05:15 AM
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My user name is to the point, I'd rather there be no ambiguity about my position here. If you feel like that's propoganda, well... I can't account for everybody's sensitivities, unfortunately. It's crazy ironic though that you think my name is propaganda-y but frame what I do as 'spreading a message' while positioning RP as some kind of greater truth. That's really something.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 05:06 AM
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Well, you haven't made much a case for why you're right and I'm wrong, so guess we're at an impasse. And that's fine, I made this account knowing full well not many people around here would be on the same page as me.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 04:50 AM
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Hope you learn something useful. ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 04:48 AM
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Nice to see you browsing my post history lookin for stuff to comment on. Makes my day.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 04:40 AM
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You can read my original comment for my take on this. I can't break it down any more simply, either you'll get it, or you won't. 'Manning up' or 'being a man' is synonymous with being an adult in popular culture. My general issue with this conflation is already outlined above. When parents tell their sons that 'its time to grow up and be a man', they're talking about being responsible adults, moving out, having independence. Not about sacrificing his time at work for some family he doesn't even …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 04:24 AM
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Because sacrifice isn't gendered. And nope, I'm a dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 04:15 AM
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Sacrifice is part of being an adult at times, yes, but it's not the standard of what makes one an adult
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 04:10 AM
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Power generation
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 03:47 AM
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Makes sense. Bullshitting your way through a job interview is a lot like rp nonsense. Unqualified people getting in over their heads don't last very long in either scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/20 03:32 AM
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Red herring. No one says fat women aren't 'real' women, first of all. Beauty is tied to worth, unfairly, but no one says they aren't real. If you're talking about ad campaigns touting the body positivity about 'real women', what they're talking about is 'real' in the sense of 'realistic' (or perhaps, realistically attainable for average people leading average lives), rejecting very narrow beauty standards. Societal standards for being a 'real man' is often tied not so much to political opinions,…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/20 07:55 PM
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😏 maybe theres something to that 'low t modern man' stuff after all? Sounds like some people don't want to put their money where their mouth is
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/20 04:38 PM
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I don't take any of this stuff into my relationship. The vast majority of advice thrown around here from the RP side is dysfunctional as fuck, and nonpillers typically don't give much advice, or at least, nothing I'm not already aware of.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/20 05:56 PM
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I would venture most people won't say 'nature never matters under any circumstance', but rather, either nature matters less than nurture in certain cases, or that RP makes erroneous claims about human nature, which are then discounted.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/20 05:29 PM
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Kinda sounds like one of your problems is warped expectations. I get it, I'm also sad that I didn't have hover skateboards like in back to the future II while growing up, or that being bit by a radioactive spider won't give me powers and shit, but fiction is just that, fiction.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/20 09:12 AM
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good, bad or harmless Inherently, none of the above. Different people like different things, and promiscuity, like many human behaviors, can be approached in different ways. I think why we do the things we do is just as important, if not more so sometimes, than the 'what'.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/20 07:02 PM
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Ah, right on. Well that's awesome man, do you post to any woodworking subreddits?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/20 03:30 AM
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I want to say they have a contractor sized model too, if you ever revisit that idea. I know it's not perfect, but that added layer of protection takes a lot of worry off my mind. Now if they could just design a jointer with those kind of safeguards...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/20 03:28 AM
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What kind? I'm big into turning, and just getting into chainsaw/angle grinder carving. I don't do much in the way of furniture making, but I dabble now and then. Just bought a saw stop last xmas, best choice I've ever made.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/20 03:09 AM
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Lead with your values. Have integrity. Develop a sense of humor. Learn good listening skills. Develop an understanding of ones own motivations, hang ups, and desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/20 05:28 AM
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Well, forgive me for not just taking your word on it, I'd kinda like to see some (edit: peer reviewed) sources for what kind of changes would take place, how likely it was, and how long it would last.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 08:57 PM
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If that was the case, nobody would be having sex unless the woman was the equivalent of Eve from from the Old Testament - miraculously poofed by God into existence with no genetic ancestors. Some people don’t know enough about genealogy to think about non-sex related errant DNA anyway. If it was actually about parental certainty, then yes, I would agree. What I'm saying though is that it's a nonsense claim. If you say you're concerned about X, but X can be caused by Y or Z, but all you rail abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 11:01 AM
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It doesn't make sense though to only care about it from the sex perspective if the view is that errant dna somehow impacts how much of a 'father' one really is to their child. Any errant dna should trigger the same reaction. The fact that one source is cared about, but the other isn't, tells me that it has nothing to do with 'parental certainty'. And quite honestly, I find it fucking stupid that people hand wring over what amounts to a few cells possibly being shared. Until they do some kind of …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 10:18 AM
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...think that the only male DNA that should be inside a woman they're having sex with is theirs, and maybe the woman's father, and that's it. I mean, we can play seven degrees to kevin bacon with that though. What if your wifes mother had her in a second marriage, and passed on errant dna fragments from someone not the father? And then your wife passes those same fragments to your kid? People getting twisted over basically nothing. I think the people who care about this are only viewing it from …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 09:25 AM
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As per your third link: In any event, noteworthy here is that despite explicitly stating the likely sources of these cell lines- mostly centered around pregnancy- at no point in the study did the researchers state that these came from former sex partners. I like the rickroll at the end, that was good. Let's talk about microchimerism though for a second. I've seen a few people throw around the idea that the chance of passing down dna that isn't hers, or yours, makes one a 'failure at evolution'. …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 08:42 AM
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And from older brothers. Which adds a whole new level of pathos to this. Newest ppd topic, 'was I cucked by my brother in law?'
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 07:18 AM
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Really bud? Cause none of your links even suggest that. If you wanted to prove that, you'd need to test for Y chromosomes of other dudes in her offspring. There is nothing to suggest that that dna is stored in her eggs, of which there are a finite amount, and are literally all created before the woman is even born. Try again.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 05:35 AM
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Exept thats not true. Unless 'every man shes ever slept with' knocked her up. You're equating two very different things. And again,whats the practical consequence of this?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 05:25 AM
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It doesn’t matter if it’s not directly from sex. Oh, it absolutely matters when there are people running around claiming that dudes sperm is migrating up to womens brains. It's nonsense fear mongering. Womens genetic makeup is still affected indirectly through sex with previous male partners. Ya? And what's the effect chief? Cause you'd think listening to the histrionics around here that a few spare bits of Y chromosome act like some kind of parasitic fungus turning women into zombies that are j…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 05:22 AM
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I think it's actually been proven that women's bodies store the DNA of every man that they've slept with. Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 04:49 AM
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The study was done on fruit flys, not humans. Not according to that link. But seems besides the point. It is very likely to be true, but also very likely to have short term effects. Based on?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 04:47 AM
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It's kinda like dudes that are squicked out by the idea of going down on a woman that's had previous partners, but dialed up to an 11.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 04:34 AM
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Terpers sure are obsessed about how many dudes women have banged. Can't remember if it's the terpers or the black pillers, but I've seen several people around here make some crazy claims about women's brains getting 'infected' by the dna of their sexual partners. Which... is a load of nonsense, as far as I can tell. But why let facts stop the hysteria?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 04:27 AM
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I don't do empty flattery. That said, I do compliment my wife, because part of her love language is verbal affirmation, and as long as they're genuine feelings, then there's no issue. Sometimes people want to know they're loved and appreciated, and if complimenting them is how they best receive those feelings, then do it, as long as you're not just blowing smoke up their ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 01:17 AM
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RP views women as little more than flighty, mercurial children in adult bodies. The most honest answer you got was 'nah, we don't care about that', because thats the truth from them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/20 12:35 AM
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Cos whenever I see that statement about the milk, I always think about a man's pp milk. r/BrandNewSentence ? Well, as for the question, it counts if we're already married, right? My wife has a pretty high sex drive, I'd say the approach is around 50/50.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/20 07:40 PM
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And don't forget the face mask. Buddy of mine lost a bro up in new york, dude was only 42 years old. Stay safe man.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/20 05:39 AM
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We can both know that poverty sucks and lets try to keep out of it at the end of the day. Deal? Of course. 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/20 05:35 AM
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I grew up middle class, spent six months homeless after Katrina, and another four years after that in poverty. The main reason I ended up where I was was depression. I got out due almost entirely to luck, and connections. I am relatively wealthy now, especially for the area I live in, and while I've done very well in the job I'm in, I wouldn't be where I am without plenty of things going my way that were completely out of my control.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/20 05:27 AM
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Bud, this is such a mess, I am not parsing through this to figure out which parts are mine and which are yours. This is at the start though, so I'll at least address this: The majority of people in poverty will leave poverty, most people with a little hardwork and discipline can and will leave poverty on the average. Wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/20 04:57 AM
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Also that is a total cop out, anyone can escape poverty in America, the system here is literally by design to help make lives better through the capitalist system. The statistics disagree with you. People leave their countrys to come to America to make a better life for themselves and their families on the average. So, are you saying that outside environments contribute to peoples success or failure? If not, why come to the US? Why not just become rich and escape from poverty where they came fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/20 04:36 AM
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Well, if different people like different things, then it kinda is relative to a degree. Of all the problems I have with FDS, not settling for a shit relationship and opting to be single while trying to get the kind of guy they want is not one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/20 04:06 AM
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Well i think we almost agree on most things, except the stealing in a state that is designed to keep people poor forever, this makes no sense my family left poverty with literally just some smart choices. I think we can agree on a lot. The thing is, if you stop looking at the micro (your family), and look at the macro (everyone), you're going to see that not everyone can escape poverty just from making smart choices. It's not possible within the system we have (talking specifically about the US …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/20 03:46 AM
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Well the rich kid had parents that probably worked hard so they could afford his standards of living and services that they can afford. I don't see how this is a rebuttal to what I said. Yes, if you have money, there aren't external pressures to steal to survive. Living rich is not without hardworking people that become rich through some type of experience that is worth millions. Some people work hard to get rich, yes. You know what the greatest predictor is for where you end up on the socioecon…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/20 03:14 AM
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Personal responsibility is the lesson to learn here, what you are saying is basically what criminals say all the time, i grew up poor so i had to steal then rob. And the rich kid that never had to rob to eat, or pay the bills, whats the principle difference there? The environment that never put him in the position where those choices had to be seriously considered in order to survive. No one can force someone to do anything they don't want to do. But our environments still put external pressure …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/20 01:50 AM
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Your refusal to account for environmental impacts on decision making is absolutely a black and white stance. And the one cherry picking is you here bro, not me. I gave you a variety of ways that social media is pushed on us, and you want to respond to the single one that makes it look like it's just some easy thing to ignore. And maybe some people can ignore stuff better than others, when it comes to different ways we're inundated with social media. Don't act like your experience is a universal …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/20 01:16 AM
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As I've always said, it might not have been your fault, but it is now your problem. The ones that make it out alive take personal responsibility and improve. The ones that don't blame everyone but themselves. The the ones that don't make it don't always shoulder all the responsibility for their failure. You have a very black/white way of looking at this. I don't blame the sun for my genetic disposition to not absorb sun light correctly. My BIL had plenty of help to NOT be a addict. He chose time…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/20 11:48 PM
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I very much understand. You are making people victims of their environment. I am not. I'm saying it's their choice. People can be victims of their environment though. Take a recovering alcoholic with a genetic predisposition to addiction. You think the chance of his outcome is going to be the same if you lock him in a room full of booze as if you remove booze from his environment? If you don't see how environments can have an impact on peoples choices, you're pretty much rejecting biology. Yep. …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/20 09:52 PM
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I think you have to give people the benefit of the doubt or you just start to sound like some women that says "all men will cheat if given the opportunity." I think that kind of mindset really setup everyone up for failure. A self-fulfilling prophecy. My wife drinks beer but we have whiskey and vodka. By your logic, she's going to go straight for the spirits and be running around the yard half naked a few hours from now. You're severely misunderstanding what I said if that's your takeaway. I'm n…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/20 09:24 PM
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While I definitely agree that personal responsibility has a role, we can't forget that choices aren't made in a vaccuum. We're only as free in our choices as the options available to us, and I think the way social media and porn are so pervasive and tbh, pushed on us, takes away a lot from the argument that people would have just found other ways to fuck up their own lives. I definitely see social media as damaging, to both men and women, but perhaps in different ways than the OP describes. Echo…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/20 08:45 PM
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Questions phrased like this feel weird, cause if I'm approaching this as an LTR, my focus isn't on instant gratification goals like 'when do I get to fuck her?' How hard is it for people to just enjoy someone you likes company, and let intimacy just develop naturally without scratching notches counting down the days, like you're serving out a prison sentence? I honestly don't even remember how long me and my wife were dating before we first had sex. It had to have been at least a month I think, …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 08:07 PM
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This. Imo, a controlled decrease of population and consumption coupled with a renewed effort at green, sustainable living is the only way we're going to avoid a climate fueled humanitarian crisis in the next 100-150 years. A tenth of the worlds population lives in low elevation, coastal areas. Even if we ignored things like acidification of the oceans, massive heats waves and mass extinction events throwing entire ecosystems out of whack, this alone should be massive alarm bells.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/20 12:34 AM
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So, personality then, you feel he has a lack of character flaws? The idea of a 'goody two shoes' character is boring for you why? Not relatable? His ethical code feels outdated/wrong? Too predictable in knowing what hes going to do?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/20 11:13 PM
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In what way? Power set? Origin story? Personality? Character development arcs? We talking movies or comics?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/20 10:08 PM
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after a hundred comment you're the first one defending that only radfems are like this. Not sure if this is just an observation, or a disagreement with what I said about radfems, but I will say, the way I see feminism referred to around here, it's typically treated as a monolith. I'm sure that if one looks hard enough, they can find someone that self identifies as a feminist that believes in all sorts of crazy shit. But as far as mainstream feminism goes, that isn't being misunderstood (willfull…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/20 09:54 AM
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Ahh, Sherbert. Took me a sec to figure out what you meant. Well, can't say, I've liked a lot of his previous posts, but I've gotta diagree here, unless he's playing some sort of devils advocate and arguing from a rp perspective? Too much to speculate on. Tbh, the whole alpha/beta dichotomy feels forced. A moral paragon is a moral paragon to me, no need to separate them into arbitrary camps. My submission to this would be Bernie Sanders.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/20 06:35 AM
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I mean, is it? RP talks about always escalating and pushing past LMR, doesn't feel that far off from rape to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/20 06:13 AM
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Yup. I'd put Bond in the antihero camp, at best. He's more like the Punisher (except an agent of the state) than Captain America, but I don't think the Punisher has ever raped anyone either.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/20 06:08 AM
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bond is a notorious womanizer. Rapist. Go watch Goldfinger
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/20 06:00 AM
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I had a lot of 'nice guy' tendencies at one point in my life. Low key entitlement (though I would have vehemently denied it at the time), pedestalizing women, super unrealistic expectations on how attraction and relationships worked, self loathing that sometimes dovetailed with a victim complex. I never considered myself a red or black piller of any kind, but I definitely see how I could have fell into one of those echo chambers if I was exposed to them. In a way, crippling depression and social…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/20 10:57 PM
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Some of them are, sure. There are shitty people in all walks of life. You're gonna have to put together a linear argument though if you're expecting more of a response from me. I'm not a mind reader, and I'm not going to waste my time trying to parse whatever point you're trying to make from random links and seeming non sequiturs.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/20 10:21 PM
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You link that like it's supposed to mean something. Is this commentary about rp hypocrisy when it comes to dudes calling out other dudes?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/20 09:03 PM
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Lol, best take yet. No true scotsmaning men. Yall a trip Fragile too it seems. Keep the downvotes coming I guess
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/20 08:45 PM
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Kinda strange how when it's the other way, dudes calling out other dudes for their shit, it's not recognizing a serious problem, but guys 'simping', 'virtue signaling' or whatever new word the boogeyman du jour is. Funny that, huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/20 08:27 PM
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Okay, many media push the idea that male sexuality is toxic or predatory Who does this? Cause I haven't seen it. There are certainly people that are predatory, and certain attitudes that are toxic and predatory, but this is that same nonsense that people bring up about toxic masculinity, but just subbing in the word 'sexuality'. No, there is almost no one that says all masculinity is toxic, outside of a few radfem circles. The way that phrase is generally understood is that there are certain cul…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/20 07:16 PM
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Kinda this, but not sarcastic. We use fire for all sorts of shit in life. If you want to live without fire, I guess that's your choice, but by this point, I think you're gonna have a hard time finding a diet that doesn't include cooked food, our bodies have sorta evolved for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/20 06:59 PM
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You need something as arbitrary as sharing citizenship with someone to care if they're getting sex trafficked? I'm confused here.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/20 06:29 AM
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Doubt it'll happen any time soon, but thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/20 04:07 AM
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I'm envious. Serious, would love to live in a place where the agents of the state didn't act like a criminal gang, and guns weren't a better form of protection.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/20 04:04 AM
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Mileage may vary as far as legality goes depending on where you live, but as far as I can tell, ACAB, so probably still safer.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/20 03:53 AM
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If you can figure out how to use Tor, you can figure out how to get a gun
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/20 03:50 AM
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Most men completely refrain from approaching women on the job these days not because they lack social skills, but because they are afraid of loosing their job. As we should. That shit is not professional behavior. You're at work to do a job, not to try and get your dick wet.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/20 11:24 PM
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Agreed. It can be hard to keep perspective sometimes when you're deep in it
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/20 10:05 PM
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. It’s how much it seems to deeply hurt women, that has men scratching their heads as to why they keep picking toxic dudes. I'd venture there are a few things at play here. Toxic traits aren't always readily apparent, most people will hide that shit at first. Sunk cost fallacy could definitely play a part during a toxic relationship, or in more extreme situations, abusers have a variety of methods to keep their victims under thumb. Having an outside perspective during the course of a toxic relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/20 08:46 PM
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infinite suitors. Don't think this word means what you think it means. I don't get this post. Are you not accounting for dudes out there that are already in relationships? ​ So my question is, how do woman differentiate men given how many there are? The same way men do, I guess. With their eyeballs and the part of their brain that lets them recognize what makes something an individual?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/20 06:31 PM
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I think different people like different things, and locking yourself into this nonsense categorization of traits as either 'alpha' or 'beta' will only lead to over analyzing about why someone likes you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/20 07:50 PM
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Should this style of personality be something that women should emulate in order to attract a guy? Eh, maybe I'm in the minority, but I don't find that personality, whether it's put on or not, attractive. It's vapid and manufactured. ​ can a girl utilize the strategy of appearing interested in the same hobby as a guy (or playing into the stereotype of someone who is- for instance looking like a science nerd in order to meet science nerds), for success in the dating market? Should she? Man, it re…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/20 03:12 AM
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MGTOW shows a different path, your self worth as a man should come within and is independent of any 3rd parties. If they actually did this, I think I'd have a lot fewer (or maybe zero) issues with their movement. It's kind of hard to accept that they have much in the way of self worth (or are actually 'going their own way') when they spend so much time spewing vitriol and just trying to tear down women. To me, that conveys a deep seated sense of insecurity and lack of self worth. The majority of…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/20 07:28 PM
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I wouldn't say this is something PPD has exclusively taught me, but rather, reaffirmed for me, but it's certainly reminded me that anonymous echo chambers bring out the worst in a lot of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/20 07:17 PM
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Better off just getting a gun and learning how to use it. Cops are good for showing up two hours late and shooting your dog, thats about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/20 05:10 AM
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As a man I believe part of the problem is that being in a relationship is a great burden for a man and it takes a woman with a lot to offer to offset that. Never seen the women I've been in relationships with as burdens, or even the relationships themselves as burdens. I can see how some guys might fall into that mindset though. If all you really value women for is sex, then yea, dealing with the rest of what makes women people could be seen as a burden. Not sure that's a reflection on women tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/20 01:44 AM
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Lol, theres a big difference between saying that I'm a cultist, and being ok with you simply seeing me as such. I certainly don't see myself as such, but I also don't invest so much importance in your opinion of what I am to try and convince you otherwise, if thats how you want to label me. The only way things change is when enough like minded people get together to make it so. If humanity is going to persist in the long run, things will have to change, what we have now is not sustainable. Part …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 10:49 PM
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If I have a 'credibility problem' because yall find it so hard to believe that dudes like me exist, the problem isn't with me. Try taking off the pill blinders and opening your eyes maybe.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 09:48 AM
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I need some unbiased advice You might have come to the wrong place then man. What is it that you want though? Do you just want to get married? Do you want hookups? True love?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 09:46 AM
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🤷‍♂️preaching to the choir. Just keep in mind that this place is not an accurate representation of the people you're gonna meet offline. 'Pill' ideologies are weird af. Thankfully, most people don't subscribe to this cancer
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 08:40 AM
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Some people have weird preoccupations with their 'legacy'. Only reason I can think of outside religious reasons for wanting a biological child is vanity about ones own genes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 08:31 AM
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Not my problem. Doubt all you want, doesn't change a thing
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 08:24 AM
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What the us government tried to do was to have allies in latinamerica. And destabilized the entire region in the process so multinational corps could rob yall blind. It wasn't just about allies. It was an irrational, knee jerk reaction against anything that even smelled faintly of communism. I know what you are, you admitted yourself you are a ideologue who will only open concessions here and there for reality. Reality is never as easy as anyone predicts no real brain or collection of brains is …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 04:23 AM
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Agreed. I'd also add that age gaps don't always mean the same kind of power imbalance, depending on the specific ages. I think a 55 y.o. man dating a 40 y.o. woman has a lot less imbalanced power between them than a 33 y.o. man dating an 18 y.o. woman does. I don't read much of FDS either, so their position might be more nuanced than 'always avoid age gaps'. I see them much like I see pill ideologies. Some good generic advice wrapped up with a lot of bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 02:08 AM
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I am living in the consequence of your definition of "how america should be". I would hardly describe my vision of how America should be as matching up with what you're describing. In many ways, I'd think it should be moving the other direction. The gap between the rich and the poor there is not the direction America should be moving. You can try to argue that how I want America to change won't get me what I want, but you'd be arguing from a position of ignorance, I haven't exactly laid out how …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 01:57 AM
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who consider ideology before realistic resource allocation. Not trying to cut things short here man, but I can't speak intelligently on the issues facing Brazil, so I don't think we're going to have a productive conversation about arguing policies from two wildly different economic spheres. I will say though that about this last bit, we all consider ideology first when talking policy, and make concessions where it's just not feasible, it's not just people 'like me'. My ideology is just different…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/20 01:20 AM
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My wife won the gold medal for clear and obvious. 'Hey, you should ask me out' doesn't get much clearer (I can be pretty oblivious to more subtle cues).
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 11:53 PM
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Never had this sensation, at least as it's described around here. Post nut clarity for me is more like a 'zen' moment, than anything else. My mind feels stilled, and I can just accept the moment for what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 09:42 PM
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No external reason. Our reasons for living are what we give ourselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 09:39 PM
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This is basically how my marriage is now, and I wouldn't want it any other way.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 09:38 PM
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As what? A southerner? Guilty as charged.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 08:13 PM
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'Lifting other people up' may indirectly also make everyone poorer if invested unwisely and without budget. As any third/second country resident may tell you that. Including this one here. Investing in people without good/safe returns will only end in resources being continuously drained, from the taxpayer and from the government. And there are certainly policy discussions to be had about how to best allocate resources, but I think we can both agree that the US at least has the means, if perhaps…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 06:44 AM
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Nah. Love my wife. There's also still a good amount of discrimination against gay dudes in a lot of places, I wouldn't want to deal with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 04:37 AM
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We don't have kids, no need for that. And lol, love that. You're not the first to accuse me of not being a guy based on my opinions. Yall have a lot of trouble imagining dudes that aren't paranoid misogynists, ya?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 12:59 AM
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In some ways, sure, we're better off. Speaking purely from the perspective of a guy in the US, there are definitely ways that we're not better off, though this has to do more with the way the boomers have fucked things up for millennials and gen-z'ers to fix in terms of generational wealth, the job market, and the environment. As far as fairness gender-wise, it's getting better, but a lot of that is hinged on other intersectional factors.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/20 12:00 AM
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The way me and my wife did it, when we first started dating, was the person that asked the other to do something was the one that did most of the planning and paid for it (if there was anything to pay for. We did a lot of nature walk type activities early on). We didn't always swap out 1 for 1 in a purposeful way, but it ended up like that a lot. Once we moved in together (still dating), the only thing that changed was more coplanning. It hasn't changed much, except that the bank account is join…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/20 11:33 PM
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Lifting other people up indirectly benefits me, and it's in my best interest to see people lifted out of poverty. That kid that went to college instead of ending up on the streets? Net benefit for society, they're going to be contributing to the tax base more. That person that went to rehab and got clean? Less of a burden on the healthcare system. Invest in people, no matter their situation, and it helps everyone. And on the less altruistic side, I like knowing that if I'm helping to lift others…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/20 10:11 PM
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I've seen the study. Don't care about peoples n count. It says nothing to me about them as people other than they enjoy sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/20 09:52 PM
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Never had a reason to doubt my wife. Don't have a reason to care about whether other women are being truthful or not, as it doesn't even come up. I put zero importance on n count anyway, so it's a non issue for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/20 04:00 PM
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Kinda weird that bit gets thrown in about tax dollars. Like, do you think women shouldn't have access to tax money at all? Or just that dudes are going to kneecap their own earning potential just so they don't go into higher tax brackets so those evil, hypergamous women don't get more benefits from the state? Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/20 03:51 PM
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Government provides assistance where necessary. Depends on where you live? In the US, governmental assistance is paltry, and wrought with all kinds of hoops you need to jump through just to get what they do offer. Assuming you live in the US, you sound like someone that has never had to apply for snap or medicaid. ​ Why would they need a man to help emotionally? You talk about the same kinds of emotional stuff with your friends as you do with your SO? ​ If a woman wants sex, she can just order i…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/20 05:24 AM
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Where is the question?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/20 06:37 AM
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Once their undersampling and very high numbers of sexual partners are factored in, the discrepancy disappears. Prostitution's role in the discrepancy is not readily apparent because men are reluctant to acknowledge that their reported partners include prostitutes. I wonder how this would impact the numbers and discrepancy when we're talking about lifetime 'n count'. Maybe it's less about women lying about how many dudes they're sleeping with, and more about dudes lying about how many sex workers…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/20 11:46 PM
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I've seen plenty of news clips with pelosi and obama. I think you're watching too much parody- political themed porn
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 07:58 PM
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Not sure what country you're from, but I doubt Pelosi is much interested in drafting laws that give her access to 'Chad'. I think she's like, 80 years old, not sure if that's really her priority in life anymore (if it ever was).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 07:30 PM
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I don't look at it from that side of things. I met a woman who shares my core values. Everything else, all those other imperfections that make us human, it's either something we help each other grow in improving, or we just learn to live with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 07:14 PM
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I kinda see AFBB as some weird, overly simplistic, false dichotomy that seems be be the product of a mishmash of broscience, a stunted social intelligence, and insecurity driven by a casual misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 03:49 PM
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.#1 for me. Lost my virginity in a ons, was a very unsatisfying experience. Experiences have always been better in relationships where I feel the intimacy is deeper and the communication is better.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 03:31 PM
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Didn't Victor Hugo already kinda do this one with The Hunchback of Notre Dame?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 03:26 PM
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Best advice 👍Happiness comes from within, and no relationship is going to last in the long run where someone relies on the validation of others for their self worth. Eventually that shit is going to fall apart
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 03:19 PM
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I was going to ask under automod if 'ruffians' was back in the lexicon for kids these days, but I think this answers all my questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/20 12:02 AM
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Weren't you on _2 like just a few days ago? How do you get banned so fast?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/20 03:17 PM
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Who wants a kid with fragments of 20 other men’s DNA? Lol wut?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/20 03:06 PM
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CC amounts to deep seated insecurity in some dudes about feelings of inadequacy in regards to sexual prowess, and in being compared to past lovers. Everything else is window dressing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/20 02:58 PM
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Man this is a depressing thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/20 02:46 PM
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Man this is a depressing thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/20 02:46 PM
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Viscous is funnier though.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/20 02:40 PM
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You're not ok with women (and I suppose pre op trans men) having autonomy over their bodies? Because that's what this boils down to.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/20 01:43 PM
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In the US, there are plenty of places where abortion access is extremely limited, especially for women of lower economic means. This isn't some issue only women in developing countries need to deal with. Women also have to deal with the potential emotional burden of abortion. Rail against biology all you want, but at the end of the day, it takes two to make a kid. A guy can just as easily avoid not being a father by not fucking. Dudes who just want to fuck with zero regard for potential conseque…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/20 01:14 PM
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Not at all. They also consent to risk of conception, and the consequences that come with it. Their consequences are just more varied. Lack of abortion access might mean being forced to have a kid. The father ducking out is another potential consequence. Ectopic pregnancies are another potential consequence.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/20 12:26 PM
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The left doesn't care about workers rights? Bernie has entered the chat Just because women don't think your grungy work clothes are suitable for a date doesn't make them shallow yuppies. Dress for the occasion.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/20 12:22 PM
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I just like feeling productive. We make enough to pay the bills, donate to the charities we like, and save. Neither of us live crazy lifestyles. Every now and then I like taking a 'do nothing' day, just to reset, but most of the time, given the chance, I'd rather be in the workshop on the lathe over watching netflix.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/20 12:17 PM
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The only time this stuff ever comes up in my life is when I'm making jokes about it with the wife. I'll skim the subreddit maybe twice a day, unless I'm actively arguing about something. Work, marriage and hobbies take up most of my time.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/20 12:14 PM
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Consenting to sex = consenting to the risk of conception, and all the consequences that come with it. If that risk isn't worth the sex, don't fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/20 12:04 PM
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Very much agree that RP promotes a lack of accountability and integrity. Under the thin veneer of self improvement (for all the wrong reasons), at it's core, its manipulation tactics 101. I can personally do without the cringey 'alpha/beta' nonsense, but I get it, you gotta talk to your audience in a way they understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/20 11:23 AM
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Negative, Ghost Rider, the video was posted 6 years ago. Jeff Allen's stand up special 'Happy Wife, Happy Life' was from 1998
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/20 01:02 AM
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Nope, Jeff Allen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnAy_1yhWAQ
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 09:01 PM
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You sound really smart.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 07:58 PM
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Wasn't disagreeing with you, was just pointing out which comic it was, and adding a little extra information. The thing about little adages like this is that they sometimes get popular for a while, then disappear, then pop up again later on. Which is why I said the most recent popularization was Jeff Allen.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 07:57 PM
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You're thinking about Jeff Allen's comedy. 'Happy wife, happy life' has been around for much, much longer than that, but as far as it being popularized, yea, it's most recent popularization was Jeff Allen. That said, at least according to Ghost's middle link, it seems there is some truth to it. Which honestly isn't surprising. I would imagine the converse is true too. I can't imagine one partner being happy when the other is upset all of the time. A related, probably older version of the saying …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 07:29 PM
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The closest I can come to relating to this is my wife used to bring up some pretty heavy topics when I was trying to wind down for sleep. I work a rotating shift, so about half of my work days are waking up at 3am. Talking about stressful stuff at 9pm was affecting my ability to fall asleep. I talked to her about it, and she saw how that was untenable for me. We talk about stressful stuff earlier in the day now, problem solved.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/20 07:05 PM
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Yup, I've seen a few youtube videos of the doofus
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 04:05 PM
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I've seen it referred to as the Madonna/whore dichotomy. They want virgins to marry, but expect women to be putting out by the 3rd date.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 02:07 AM
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lol, RP's bible, written by a huckster and charlatan too afraid to attach his real name to the cultish bile he shits out
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/20 01:06 AM
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Fucking an unconscious person is rape, nobody argued otherwise. Not saying you did, but comments like " I think if two peeps are intoxicated either both raped each other or neither raped anyone." certainly leave that open to a possibility, since you didn't qualify that further. ​ Pressured how? I'm talking about both of them being basically equally drunk. Where neither really remember anything with clarity there can be no rape. I would argue that if there is intent on one parties part (this can …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 10:37 PM
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I think if two peeps are intoxicated either both raped each other or neither raped anyone. None of this one party decides they regret it so now it's rape. Seems like this view doesn't take much context into account for individual situations. What if he pressured her to drink with the intent of getting her drunk to have sex? What if they're both drunk, but she's more drunk to such a degree that her basic communication skills are unintelligible, or if shes passed out? I think that we could general…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 07:33 PM
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Well, I don't know your countries laws about confidentiality in therapy, but it might be worth looking into. Being nervous about marriage is natural for some people. I was nervous prior to getting married, not so much about fears of the institution of marriage, but because 'change' of any kind to my routine can be nerve wracking. I quickly found out that literally nothing changed in my relationship, except for the state recognizing our union. I think it would be worth talking to him at length ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 07:10 PM
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If it's a socialization issue, I'm not sure how you (the general you here, referring to rp dogma) square that this is part of women's 'nature', as opposed to 'nurture', which would be the upbringing and socialization side of things. So, do you feel that informed consent can be given under the influence of a drug that reduces cognitive function and lowers inhibition?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 07:04 PM
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So you feel this is a socialization issue then?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 06:50 PM
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Do the both of you communicate openly about what you want, and what kind of timelines you're looking at for how the relationship should be progressing? As much as I like giving out advice, this really looks like something more suited for the two of you to be discussing together with a therapist that specializes in couples therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 06:49 PM
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Thank you. I wish you well in your search for a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 06:37 PM
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Not sure if you're being obtuse here, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. In your opinion, what specifically is different about women's brains that makes them incapable of telling the truth, whether it's conscious lying or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 06:35 PM
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Ever stop to think about why you view men and women so differently?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 05:57 PM
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Lead with your values, and examine whether those values are condusive to attracting the kind of person you want, and getting/maintaining the kind of relationship you want. Self improvement should always be done because you love yourself, not because you're trying to reach a goal so that you can love yourself. Don't succumb to sunk cost fallacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 03:46 PM
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Yes i need to wonder if it's my fault their words don't line up with their actions? If your experiences with women all lead you to think that their actions aren't congruent with what they say, then yea. When you interact with dudes, do you also find that in all cases, what they say doesn't line up with what they do? I'm not suggesting women are liars, it's only lying if you know you're not telling the truth. Women aren't aware they are lying. I mean, this just reeks of infantalism if your positi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 03:10 PM
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I get the feeling a lot of these dudes are just young. By the time I was in my late twenties, the thought of teens in a sexual way was repulsive to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 09:45 AM
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Sounds like we can agree then that not AWALT.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 09:42 AM
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My tastes changed prior to actually meeting my wife. Edit: If they hadn't, I wouldn't have gotten with her in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 09:36 AM
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This just screams histrionic hyperbole to me. If I was in a position where none of what I saw in women's behavior lined up with what they said, and I had any amount of critical thought capacity, I'd realize that I was the common factor in all of those interactions, and start wondering how I might be misinterpreting either what they're saying, or misunderstanding what they're actually doing. The last thing that would cross my mind is that women as a whole are craven liars. But then again, my expe…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 09:34 AM
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Are you confirming the actions of all the women on this board? Of course not, you just choose to believe all women act the same, so the ones that say they act a certain way must be lying when it doesn't line up with what you 'know' about the 'nature of all women'.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 04:04 AM
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No it’s not. Women can and do choose to avoid frat boys and douchebags, but all of them get wet for those types of guys. And any of them that say they don't are lying, right? The mental gymnastics needed to maintain this nonsense is amazing. In any case, base on your username and account age, I’m not convinced you’re actually a man. Not my problem what you think. If that's what you gotta tell yourself to block out information incongruent to your ideology, nothing I say is gonna change that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 03:04 AM
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You're splitting hairs where there are none to split. Preferences and 'what one is attracted to' is the same thing here. What I was attracted to in women changed. That's also a fact. So I ask again, is it only guys that can change in what they're attracted to?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 02:51 AM
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What she finds attractive in her 20s doesn’t magically change in her 30s. I mean, this is what he said. Doesn't sound like he's perceiving those changes in a certain way, so much as he's denying they happened in the first place. I'm not quite sure how your response is even relevant given the context.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 02:37 AM
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Funny how RP says 'don't listen to what women say', except magically when they say something that reaffirms their twisted ideology. Man, it's almost like different people like different things, and not everyone is the same...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 01:58 AM
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My taste in women changed from when I was in my early 20's to when I met my wife in my 30's. Are guys tastes allowed to change, but women's aren't?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/20 01:52 AM
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Well, empathy is a form of self control, so I guess you're inadvertently right in a certain sense
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 06:20 PM
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Correct OP. It's distressing to see people internalize this idea that they don't deserve the same basic human dignity and respect as everyone else just because they're not having sex. No one should ever hang their self worth as a human being on the validation of others.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 05:06 PM
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My attention? I'm a dude. And yea, if you're just going with the 'it's my nature' argument, you're a slave to your nature. Personally, I don't think it's male nature to leer at women, but rather a lack of social intelligence and/or impulse control issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 04:34 PM
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Well, you have a lack of empathy in this regard. I think that's a normal thing for someone to be unhappy about. Some of us view people as not simply slaves to our 'nature'.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 03:58 PM
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I can value/respect everyone for their intrinsic worth as humans, and treat them accordingly. It's not just about 'valuing someone for their personality', it's about basic dignity and respect. I don't have to know a woman to empathize with the idea she doesn't like being leered at.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 03:48 PM
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Still doesn't mean they view them as women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 03:32 PM
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As often as I see sex referred to as 'masturbating inside someone' around here, I'm pretty sure a lot of men don't really see women as women, but rather a selection of holes to cum inside.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 03:23 PM
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https://www.britannica.com/topic/Actaeon Nah, not seeing anything about rape. And wouldn't it be her woods, not his?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/20 03:15 PM
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I don't really know if there's a 'rule'. Best advice I can give is work on being more cognizant of what you're doing, and err on the side of looking, but not staring.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 10:44 PM
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The way I've heard it described to me by women in my life is kinda like... imagine someone is looking at you like you're a collection of parts. Now, I would say there is a delineation somewhere between The Male Gaze, and just noticing that a woman is attractive. I don't think most women have much issue with the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 07:28 PM
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I first heard of it on a podcast about food our local npr affiliate hosts. Actually went to the salem museum like... 25 years ago maybe, was a neat experience. Still can't believe they pressed that guy to death 😐
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 07:16 PM
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I'm a big fan of the ergotism theory for the salem witch trials.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 07:08 PM
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I'm used to it 🕺
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 07:05 PM
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Not something I've noticed. Different people have different tastes?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 06:46 PM
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Are you talking about male gaze within the context of cinema/media?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 06:44 PM
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Depends on the person, and how much weight they put on physical attraction. I'd say it's likely rare, but not impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 05:15 PM
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For most people, physical attraction is a primer to get to know someone. Personality is what sustains the long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 04:55 PM
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Oof, what a loaded question. How is anyone supposed to make a determination on who is more likely to cheat based on this? Whats 'the finish line' in life? Your death bed? Or do we all just stop growing in our 30s and coast?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 03:28 PM
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I’ve found tinder men to be so so pushy. Even the messages are gross. It reminds me in a way of the nigerian prince scam emails, where they intentionally fill them with grammatical errors. They're basically filtering for the most gullible people. Gross, pushy tinder messages filter for women that have the lowest of standards, cause dudes are trying to put in the lowest amount of effort to fuck. Not sure if this is an actively thought of strategy, but I can definitely see the parallels.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 11:48 AM
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They do, but dating is a numbers game. First off, plenty of women who dont care about crying will still pair off with a stoic man. That alone limits the options of a more emotional man. But then factor in that most women do care about the man being pretty stoic, and that really fucks it up. There are just not enough women who desire an emotional man, and plenty of the women who dont care means just that. They dont care if he does, or if he doesnt. That's why I always say you should learn to love…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 03:03 AM
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Physically, I am the epitome of average in most ways. I'm 5'10", so a little above average there? Some symmetry in my face, but I've always found it too round for my personal liking (for some reason I carry weight in my face, it's just one of those areas for me). I like biking and swimming for exercise, but I don't have a beach body by any stretch of the definition. My bmi atm is about 29, covid has not been good for maintaining a normal workout schedule. I can't bench or squat for shit, and my …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 02:49 AM
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not at all. Women are the ones who view it as weakness. There are plenty that say they don't see it as such. Do they not count? Its pretty obvious. Saying anything critical of feminism these days makes everyone immediately thing you are an alt righter (voted hillary in 2016, voting biden in 2020 if it makes you feel better). I'm very critical of TERFs, but I'm pretty sure no one will accuse me of being an alt righter. I'm glad to know you get out and vote! Honestly. Civic engagement is important…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 02:35 AM
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Its far from a leap of logic. Men who display weakness are less fuckable. Yes, he might still have a chance, but its a lesser chance in the world. It's telling that you see being able to display emotion as weakness. A lot of women in this very topic have disagreed. But I already know the rebuttal 'don't listen to what women say'. It's kind of necessary to keep believing that nonsense. You literally have to shut out people telling you differently. Because the writer knows this article is actually…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 02:11 AM
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Yes, when someone doesn't agree with you, it's because 'they don't understand' or 'women lie', or whatever else you need to tell yourself. You can tell me all you want that my analysis is wrong, but not a single one of you has shown where that study explicitly states that mothers are the primary enforcers of gender roles on sons. The only thing it shows is a bias in identifying emotions as positive or negative. It says absolutely nothing about how, if at all, that bias plays out in parenting. An…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 02:05 AM
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The mom is actually doing the proper thing. She knows (whether conscious or unconscious) that a man crying is an unfuckable man in the eyes of women. She wants her baby boy to eventually reproduce himself because he is partially her legacy. So she teaches him (again, maybe subconsciously) to be a man and not cry. That's a lot of projection into the motivations of someone for what they may or may not be doing at all to begin with. But sure, let's just make these monumental leaps of logic. The art…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 01:54 AM
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Ah yes, I clearly just don't understand. If you can't hang your hat on just reinventing what the word 'may' means, just appeal to the authority of the crowd.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 01:42 AM
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Excellent rebuttal.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 12:38 AM
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And yet the article says nothing about whether the bias actually translates to enforcement mechanisms. In fact, the author clearly and unequivocally states that whether it does or not isn't covered under the scope of the study. may not necessarily enforce those biases in their parenting, the study author notes. Gender role enforcement is a lot more intricate and nuanced. Kids watching how their parents act is a massive influence on how they themselves act in early developmental stages. Later, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 12:37 AM
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Please quote directly from the study where it says that explicitly.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 12:05 AM
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I think you don't understand what the words 'may not' means.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 12:05 AM
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Incorrect. 'May not' means that it 'may happen, or it might not'. Not that it 'sometimes happens, and sometimes doesn't'. It makes no claim one way or another whether it actually happens. Thanks for coming to my ted talk?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/20 12:03 AM
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Again, as per my comments: the study didn't cover enforcement of gender roles ​ the author took care to note that his findings didn't mean that mothers parenting actions reflected the bias they found in the study. Quoting myself here. If you're going to make a positve claim about mothers enforcing gender roles on their sons as evidence that it's women that primarily enforce gender roles on men, make sure that the study you cite as evidence backs up that claim. That study does not back up your cl…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 11:36 PM
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However, mothers likely aren’t even aware they have these gender biases and may not necessarily enforce those biases in their parenting, the study author notes. Emphasis mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 11:12 PM
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Ok, well I can see this has about run it's course. It's been fun though. Let's do this again in two weeks when the same topic pops up again.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 11:01 PM
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Keep repeating yourself, but as per the article, the author took care to note that his findings didn't mean that mothers parenting actions reflected the bias they found in the study.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 10:59 PM
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The study didn't cover gender role enforcement. If you want to argue that, maybe find a study that shows that
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 10:50 PM
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I mean, I've cried over personal insecurities to her before. Does that count?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 10:47 PM
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I don't really see that happening, but sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 10:37 PM
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My wife is cool with me crying.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 09:45 PM
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I mean, I literally quoted the link there, the study didn't cover enforcement of gender roles, simply bias in mothers/fathers in children displaying emotion.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 09:44 PM
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Sex by itself is fleeting satisfaction. And if you don't love and respect yourself, you're not going to love or respect your partner. If you learn best by simply experiencing things for yourself, then good luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 09:43 PM
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Your error is in the assumption that displaying non traditional gender norms makes a man unfuckable. Your whole argument falls apart after that. Further, sex isn't going to make you happy. This sub is evidence enough of that. I'm advocating being happy with yourself first, then pursuing relationships. Everyone seems to want to ignore that though, and just stick to their talking points. This is nothing but 'woe is me' nonsense. If people want to resign themselves to being boxed in, ok. But I'm no…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 08:54 PM
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Pretty sure no one is advocating 'wallowing in your own emotions and stop being an adult'. And I can cry for whatever reason I damn well please. Who's going to stop me?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 08:49 PM
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It's not even about my luck in meeting my wife. It's about loving yourself, accepting yourself, and not letting other people define you. Nothing in life is certain, except for death. You think that the end goal is a woman. I'm telling you it's not. Or at least, it doesn't have to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 08:06 PM
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That's not what your link actually says though. It says mothers have a greater implicit bias. Not that that nias is translating into how they're actually raising kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 08:01 PM
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From your link: However, mothers likely aren’t even aware they have these gender biases and may not necessarily enforce those biases in their parenting, the study author notes.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 07:42 PM
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Not sure who you're quoting there, but it isn't me. Edit: ah, quoting yourself. Well, tell yourself what you want. But it doesn't sound like anything I'm gonna say will get through to you, so.... 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 07:27 PM
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I'm married, so swing and a miss, bud. That said, I know what it's like being miserable trying to be someone I'm not, just because I think it would get me sex. I tried that in my teens and early twenties, and I'm much happier being myself.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 07:03 PM
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Women are the primary enforcers of stoic masculinity. As evidenced by what? An opinion piece? That lady has her own likes and dislikes, and she recognizes that other women aren't all like her. I know many woman who would be incredulous if a man displayed such machismo as to put his hands on her body — as if he were owed access to it — within minutes of meeting. And I don’t blame them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 07:00 PM
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Is that what I said? There are all types of feminists out there, I'm not so arrogant as to define everyones own feminism for them. But if he wants to argue about feminism, it would be good if we were operating off a shared understanding of what the other is talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 04:28 PM
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Maybe you didn't see my flair, but it says 'No pill'.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 04:25 PM
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More like, I'm pointing out that rigidly boxing yourself into gender roles is the opposite of helping yourself. Look, if you are happy with the status quo on male gender roles, don't change. Be exactly like you are. But if you're going to moan about how men 'have to be a certain way', don't double down on that nonsense when it's pointed out that you don't in fact have to be that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 04:23 PM
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Which brand of feminism are you referring to exactly? I find it perfectly reasonable that women should want to be treated in an equitable way, and I can certainly see a lot of examples where they aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 04:12 PM
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Not sure why I'd need to feel shame for speaking the truth. Or am I supposed to feel shame because I've hurt some feelings? That certainly wasn't my intention, but also, it's not like I'm making personal attacks against anyone here.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 04:08 PM
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I found cognitive based therapy worked well for me, but mileage may vary. I much preferred therapy to medication. Never quite felt like 'myself' on antidepressants, so I cut that out of my recovery. My therapist was a dude, but I'm sure there are plenty of capable women therapists too. I'm a dude, if that wasn't clear from the start.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 03:52 PM
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Stop letting people lead you by the nose, and those 'punishments' magically stop being such.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 03:44 PM
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Sure did.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 03:43 PM
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My life isn't one of mediocrity or humiliation, so I'm not sure where you're getting these ideas from. And yea, you can define what masculinity means to you. If you'd rather follow the crowd, and let other people define for you what it means to be a man, I certainly can't stop you. But you can't take ownership of your life as long as you let others dictate what defines you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 03:43 PM
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I can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into, but you're kinda making my point for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 03:17 PM
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Short answer? There are lonely women out there that are isolated. I imagine you're not running into them because you know... they're isolated. Slightly longer answer: Guys seem to be more prone to emotional isolation due to rigid ideas of masculinity and 'stoicism'. Some people may blame women for enforcing these burdens, falling back on the old 'I have to be this way for women to find me fuckable' song and dance, but in the end, it's a lack of accountability and willingness to accept responsibi…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/20 02:54 PM
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Everyone gets treated with the same basic dignity and respect all humans deserve. Any other esteem or admiration I have for someone is based on how I view their character.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/20 05:58 PM
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Coming here hasn't changed me in the slightest. If anything, it's simply reaffirmed my views that internet echo chambers are unhealthy, and don't accurately reflect reality. Pill ideological systems are low key radicalizing people.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/20 02:17 PM
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Some more than others maybe? I think that people that rely on porn are going to have problems forming healthy romantic relationships, but that's an issue of the reasons one is watching porn, the frequency it's watched, and perhaps, one could argue, the kinds of sex acts it depicts. edit: 'bad' is also a value judgement. I think terms like 'healthy' and 'unhealthy' serve the discussion better. If we're talking good and bad, you're going to have a hard time making the case that porn is bad, at lea…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 11:11 PM
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Is it though? You might as well say 'well if I sit here and drink 15 gallons of water, that's bad, I could die, thus drinking water in any amount is bad'. Sure, there are certain kinds of porn that prime us mentally in damaging ways, especially if we approach it with an unhealthy mindset, or let porn consume all our time and energy to the detriment of our relationships. You're taking a very black/white mindset to it though. If porn disappeared though? Nothing would change, as far as guys go. Peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 06:51 PM
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I've never met a woman that actually likes being catcalled. I guess they exist? Just never met one.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 06:49 AM
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I say it's fanciful nonsense? Pretty much like all the fanciful nonsense of those other three suggestions posted to this sub (female viagra sounds fine and dandy, not sure how it's supposed to lead women to be less choosy picking partners though).
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 06:46 AM
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Maintenance operator, power generation (fossil side, not nuke). Got in with this job 11 years ago. Nowadays, a process tech degree from trade school or community college is what employers will look for. Still, super stable job, lots of career opportunities to branch to.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/20 02:45 AM
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Didn't have sex with my wife until after maybe a month of dating? Wasn't a big deal, I still enjoyed our time together.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 08:43 AM
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Kids out of wedlock has always been a thing. I'm not sure it's a sound policy decision to pull the rug out from poor peoples feet just because you have an axe to grind against women. I think a better long term solution might be an investment in our education system so people can escape poverty, coupled with a healthcare system overhaul that doesn't bankrupt people, and criminal justice reform that focuses on restorative and rehabilitative justice so we can have people exiting prison ready to be …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 04:34 AM
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Thanks. Took longer than I would have liked to figure things out, but at the time, I had this feeling of 'going to therapy is admitting you can't take care of your own business, only losers go to therapy'. It was a very self limiting mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 04:21 AM
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Never experienced hostility towards me in college, gender based or otherwise. I was in college from the fall of '01 - spring of '05 (edit). Demographics: white, middle class upbringing, neurotypical, straight, cis, was apolitical in college, lean heavy left now Dropped out due to untreated depression, never went back due to a few factors. Katrina hit late that summer, and in the spring of '06, I was homeless. Job I work now didn't require a degree, and the pay is amazing for the education level …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 04:08 AM
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Children of single parents are at risk of doing worse due to a few factors. Fewer resources is definitely one. Lack of education for the parent is another (and yes, single parents are more likely to be less educated). Instability in the household is another. Fewer resources can be alleviated with a stronger safety net. Would you rather see your tax dollars helping your fellow countrymen, or funding another war in the middle east? Taking away the safety net isn't going to help kids. Women forced …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/20 12:17 AM
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It kinda becomes societal problems though? Kids not cared for are going to be going to the hospital more. Who pays for that? In the end, all of us. How do you think hospitals offset costs of emergency room users with no insurance that can't pay? They don't eat those costs themselves. What about when kids get older? When they drop out of school, end up in prison? Society still pays. A strong social safety net benefits us all, not only those who are actively receiving from those programs.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/20 10:42 PM
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I suppose if that's your worry, maybe you just shouldn't touch women at all, just to be safe.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/20 05:32 AM
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lol, k. I love that RP'ers are experts on other peoples wives. It'd be funny if it wasn't so sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 11:52 PM
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No. If you hold someone to standards, then those standards can also be that they hold you to no standards. You’re in an infinite loop here. Ah yes, the 'I hold you to the standard of never being able to judge me'. Seems like a very adult standard. Women and men can “police” whatever they want and hold their partners to whatever standards they want. You are not morally obligated to fulfill any standards just because you yourself have standards. If you plan on holding others to your standards, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 09:57 PM
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What are you trying to say here? It doesn't make sense. I can absolutely hold her to traditional stereotypical feminine roles without holding myself to stereotypical masculine roles. Reread what I wrote. I didn't say you needed to hold yourself to masculine roles, I said if you're going to hold someone up to standards you set for them, you should be held to standards they set for you. That's how double standards work on the micro level. When we talk about societal double standards, women being p…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 09:38 PM
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Sometimes when I'm training a new hire, they ask why we have to jump through so many hoops for safety built into our procedures. I always explain that you can do something the wrong way a thousand times, and 999 times nothing bad might happen. That 1 time though is why we follow the procedure to the letter. If you don't want to get women's consent because you're worried that you might be violating them, get that consent to protect yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 09:30 PM
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Why does that bother you so much? Who cares that people have double-standards in their dating preferences? Aren't double standards the default? I am a man who desires a woman. That is a double-standard because I expect her to be feminine to some degree while I don't hold myself to the same standard. I expect her to apply makeup, shave her legs etc... all things that "women" do that I don't perform myself. Apples and oranges. The real double standard would be if you held her to stereotypical femi…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 09:06 PM
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Healthy support systems aren't the same things as echo chambers. In fact, I'd argue that echo chambers, which I see RP as, might feel like a support structure in helping you figure out where you went wrong and how to fix it, but in the end, are going to isolate you into a dogmatic set of rules that at the end of the day, are going to stunt your personal growth.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 08:52 PM
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To hear my wife tell it, she spent an entire day flirting with me, in ever increasing intensity. I picked up on it when she said 'Hey, you should ask me out' at the end of the day.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 04:50 PM
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That's pretty much what consent is. The reason that guys are taught to look for enthusiastic consent (usually with a verbal component) is because we're not mind readers. 'It's only a traffic violation if the light is actually red'. Well, duh. That's why we keep our eyes open while we're driving.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 04:17 PM
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For a lot of guys, it needs to be packaged differently for them to get over their insecurities. You can sell them on health tips if it's coming from the 'right' source, in the 'right' way. 'Beauty' is feminine though. You want most guys to do basic upkeep like sunscreen, sell it as the latest technology for the defending against the sun's assault on your face. And if it's in a commercial, maybe have some michael bay style explosions while the voice over is a gritty drill instructor.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 06:14 AM
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They rationalize their inability/unwillingness to adapt as "being myself." The allure of staying within their comfort zone of mediocrity is too powerful. "I want women to like me for who I am! I shouldn't have to change the way I look to get girls! But I'm also unhappy with my current options and I'm unwilling to lower my standards or boost my attractiveness!" This was me fifteen years ago. The devil you know being preferable to the one you don't was strong with me. Pretty much only started to c…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/20 05:53 AM
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Guess time will tell if I got it right :)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 09:59 PM
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Sucks man, but I'm pretty sure I didn't marry your exwife.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 09:06 PM
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I'd expect nothing less than SEPARATE personal accounts for both of us and one shared one for household expenses ASIDE FROM any business accounts we have... This is pretty much how our finances are, though it's less about 'my money' and 'her money', but convenience and security. FDIC coverage and security in case of failure are our main motivations. My view towards money is a pretty simple one. My only real vice is eating out more than is probably advised. All other money goes to paying househol…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 08:56 PM
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:) See edits please! I think we have less disagreement than you'd expect.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 08:46 PM
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Your wife or SO may not be your teammate, and maybe that helps protect you psychologically. Afterall, if you never allow yourself to rely on someone, you're not hurt when they 'fail' you. I find my relationship to be stronger for working as a team though. I may make more money in my partnership, but my wife is better at actually managing finances, so I allow myself to rely on her as an equal partner in making financial decisions. I have no interest in 'leading' my wife in this relationship. Egal…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 08:43 PM
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Not entirely accurate. Emphasis mine. As per the article: All federal student loans are dischargeable upon a borrower’s death, which is an important benefit of federal student loans. And if we look at the total federal student loan debt compared to privately held debt, we see that federal student debt totals 1.4 Trillion compared to a comparatively paltry 124.65 billion in privately held debt. If he's going to fear monger over debt passing on to a spouse, it seems honest to put it in context as …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 08:10 PM
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Not entirely accurate. https://www.thebalance.com/student-loans-after-death-4777625
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 11:36 AM
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My wife's career potential was definitely a factor for me, not so much because I care about what she makes (beyond our ability together to pay bills and save money), but because of what it said about her character and work ethic. Debt, regardless of it's source, doesn't matter to me so long as we're making enough to pay the bills, and prepare for unplanned expenses. Money is a means to an end for us, money for it's own sake, or status, w/e, doesn't matter to us.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 08:52 AM
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Same goes for you. Except I'm providing a variety of examples for the position. And if you don't want it from me, theres a host of womens subreddits you could ask the same question. Photos? No. Whether they choose to or not is a different story. Same with weddings. Unless they look like they've been deprived of basic necessities like natural light and access to a shower, I don't think people would scoff at the idea of a woman not wearing makeup at her wedding. What experience leads you to this c…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 08:01 AM
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Individual preferences prevail. Gonna dig deeper on this bit separately, cause I think it's worth pointing out. Individual preference can be influenced by cultural expectations. Favorite color is an individual preference. There is still a cultural expectation that blue is associated with boys, and pink with girls. This is reinforced from a very young age. Can my favorite color still be pink, as a man? Sure, if thats my personal preference. Are there societal judgements about my masculinity? Abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 07:34 AM
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Not really. I'm not sure what reality you're living in. The reality where I have a wife, three sisters, and maybe a dozen female friends and this topic has come up on multiple occasions over the years. There is no cultural expectation to wear makeup. Just stating the same thing over and over doesn't make it so. Are women expected to wear makeup to look nice and put together for men? Are women expected to wear makeup for photos? Especially formal events like weddings? Are little girls taught from…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 07:17 AM
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Makeup is expected to the point where the lack of it appears jarring, dudes literally think theres something physically wrong with women when its not worn, because a base make up look is the default.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 06:36 AM
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The point is that it works, and as long as those women believe and act on it, because they have a drive to go for the best male around that they can get, it's no longer "deception" but a result. It's still deception, just because you got the result you wanted doesn't make it less dishonest. Speaking to those drives by using manipulation isn't read as "deception" to them. It's experienced as interest, excitement and arousal. That's all I'm really trying to say. Excitement based on a lie. It's onl…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 06:31 AM
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Well, ask women if they've ever been on the receiving end of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 06:26 AM
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While it may be "culturally accepted" to wear makeup, I disagree when you say that it's culturally enforced. The only place I know where it is culturally enforced (by men) is inside of the workplace because of expectations relating to appearance. Outside of that, any cultural expectations to wear makeup are done on an individual basis, in which case it's no longer culturally expected. Just culturally accepted. Whoops, hit post too early. Ever notice that when women wear zero make up at all, dude…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 06:08 AM
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It's not that type of manipulation. It's saying or doing certain things which provoke responses from women on a psychological level. Denigrating competition is one of those things that people do to lift themselves higher in the eyes of their target by lowering everyone else. "Nah you don't want that person. They're [insert lie here." I mean, you don't see telling lies about other people as deception? I do. Everything we do provokes a response from anyone on a psychological level. It's manipulati…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 06:05 AM
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Making people think you're more valuable of a person than you actually are is manipulation, but if it works, then what makes it bad? Bad will depend entirely on your ethical framework, but most people I know see deception as bad, based on the fact that communication (in this case, communicating who you are) is based on trust and shared, agreed upon terms and understandings of what words mean. When understanding of what things mean is subverted by one party, trust breaks down, and communication f…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 05:17 AM
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Depending on what circles you run in, men absolutely get more status with their peers based on their partners status. I find this mostly doesn't matter for men or women once careers are established, as far as observations in my own life go.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 04:57 AM
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Lost me at 'catholic', I didn't even get to Molyneux before I noped out. Relationship dynamics are complex enough on their own, sorting out the traddy catholic angle is like tossing a bag of wrenches in the gears. And I say this as a former Catholic
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 03:45 AM
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I mean, not exactly. If the conversation was progressing linearly, and she was 'giving me enough to work with', I'd just go with it. If she wasn't giving me enough to work with, I would ask her to reiterate something in better detail if we were talking about one of her interests. If it was one of my interests, and it was petering off, I'd pivot to her, and ask her something, trying to stay in a segue that felt natural. All this takes practice, for sure, but you can always practice with friends (…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 01:47 AM
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Is there a pattern you can recognize about what kinds of comments/topics you have a hard time finding a response for? Examples wpuld be helpful.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 01:20 AM
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Like, stranger stranger? Or someone you don't know that you have a mutual acquaintance/friend of? Edit for spelling
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/20 12:37 AM
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Or he has a very different idea of what it means to control ones feelings. Like, someone saying something insulting might trigger an emotional reaction, but controlling ones feelings doesn't mean always getting to choose that first reaction, but rather processing it in a non reactionary way and responding in an appropriate way? I think a lot of people don't really 'get that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 11:29 PM
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sometimes I don't know what to say to people I have nothing to say to Active listening and empathetic listening skills can help with this. I used to have a big problem with this myself. Pick something about another person you want to know more about. In early stages of getting to know someone, it's fine to play it safe and avoid third rail topics, but try to go with stuff they seem passionate about. Ask follow up questions. If something is going over your head, admit ignorance and ask them to du…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 11:23 PM
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🙄 Maybe he subscribes to hard determinism. Would explain why he seems to think one can't control their feelings. Free will isn't real, and the electricity running through our brain meat only makes us think we have free will.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 11:09 PM
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I would say it's ok to want things in others you don't necessarily have in yourself, it steps into entitlement territory when you think you -deserve- those things. I'm an introvert. One of the things that attracted me to my wife is she's an extrovert. Social gatherings can be draining for me, even though I still enjoy them. I like that she's always down for a game night with friends, or a meet up with family. It challenges me to get out and maintain my relationships, and I'm thankful for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 10:31 PM
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I've been knocking your points down in this entire exchange. Simply restating the same thing over and over again and dishonestly framing what I say doesn't take away from that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 09:31 PM
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because of your insistence that you have to be "yourself" lol, and the points below will address that more in detail.. but basically again.. you keep insisting that RP is changing the individual and cater to women... and that's not what RP is... stop attacking the strawmen. If you're not being yourself, are you being honest in who you're being? You're the one attaching labels like 'loser', not me. What makes one a 'loser'? Labels like loser are generated when you have an external locus of contro…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 07:52 PM
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So according to you, if you are a born loser, you'll have to "be true to yourself" and continue to be a true loser and pray women will date a loser? How on earth is that your takeaway from what I wrote? How is 'improving yourself for your own sake' anything like what you just said? ​ RP teaches people to be the best version of themselves and not just change their way just to cater to women... again I don't think you understand what RP is. I would contest that you're going to be your best self fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 11:22 AM
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Sure, but is this in any way contradictory to what RP preaches? RP teaches you to change yourself for the sake of what women want. Or at least what RP thinks they want. That is literally an external locus of control. RP doesn't teach you that women are good faith actors. They literally tell you not to listen to what women say. It doesn't teach you to be honest with yourself, or others. Idolization of 'dark triad' traits is front and center there. RP doesn't teach you to treat people the way they…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 10:10 AM
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The point is that men devalue women by saying that. And that is shaming. My point stands. The word slut is used almost exclusively as an insult, and predominantly by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 03:51 AM
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Adults can communicate differently, thats ok. And in a healthy relationship, both partners work to understand each other. That is what adults do. Or are men just emotional morons that need to be spoon fed everything?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 03:48 AM
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No, they're still used as insults today. Not sure where you'd get the idea otherwise. Don't be obtuse. It's not women running around saying 'you can't turn a hoe into a housewife'. Certain types of guys fall into this Madonna/whore complex. They want women to be whores, but exclusively to them. These types of guys may have sex with those women, but they don't respect those women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 03:27 AM
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Traditionally, the value placed on women by men centers around their looks, youthfulness, fertility, and purity. If men didn't shame women for promiscuity, words like whore, slut, and tramp wouldn't be used as insults, but rather elevated as something to aspire towards. This isn't to say that women don't also shame women for promiscuity sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 03:12 AM
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I mean, I know this is snarky, but maybe people need to be told the fee fees aren't going to go away just because you don't like them, and if you do ignore them, you're ignoring 'data' for your 'model'.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 03:00 AM
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I've never had a woman ask me this, despite how popular the trope seems to be. That feels like a dodge to your question though, so I'll say this: questions like 'do I look fat in x?' isn't so much about whatever piece of clothing you're being asked about, it's about looking for affirmation that you still find her attractive. We can all have insecurities about our bodies, but people tend to have more insecurities about their body when they're told that the value they have is centered in their bea…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 02:54 AM
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I mean, I'm married, in a good relationship. I cultivated traits and behaviors I liked in myself. My wife just happened to like what she saw.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 02:11 AM
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So you believe that lying to women gets you laid, but yourself don't actually do that. K. Well yes, lying to people can get them to do what you want. That's not exactly controversial. It's more than a little worrisome though you think women prefer being lied to. I mean, the statement kind of defeats itself when you add 'so long as they don't believe they're being deceived'. Implies to me that they don't like being lied to. Do you think TRP'ers want to be lied to by women, so long as they don't b…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 02:09 AM
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I'm not being deceptive. lying to women gets you laid. The mental gymnastics are mind boggling
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 01:40 AM
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There's a reason the first piece of red pill advice is to ignore what women say. Definitely one of the reasons I call it a cult. TRP is damaging to the men that practice it because it relies on dogmatic isolation of the mind and rejection of differing opinions solely on the basis of who is delivering the message.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 01:35 AM
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I believe this because I see humans as having moral agency. If that constitutes 'special' to you, then sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 01:15 AM
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Sounds like she didn't respect your boundaries. Also, how much did yall even discuss this before trying it? Did you work up to it, or did she just throw you in the deep end? If my wife wanted to try any kind of roleplay like this with me, I'd need to sit down and talk limits, and maybe try a few practice runs before going all in.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 01:10 AM
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'Baby, I've gotta lie to you for our own good' is ridiculous and infantilizing. In a sense though, it's nice to see people openly admit they're being deceptive instead of just pretending otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 01:00 AM
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I can get behind this, so long as our foreign policy changes. No more endless wars, no more bombing brown people half a world away, no more assisting coups that install autocrats just because they're more 'pro american', no more drone strikes, no more endless detention of 'enemy combatants' without due process. America needs a return to diplomacy and soft power. I can see benefit from mandatory military service, at least in the long run. More respect for guns as weapons of war, and not fetishize…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/20 12:00 AM
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I'd say the same thing about a man's "frustrations" if they were so childish and irrelevant. Being unhappy with disrespect is childish and irrelevant to you? Or is it that you simply feel you can dictate to me what respect means within the context of my relationships? Surely you have your own space as well, not everything is shared equally. Our house is our space, I don't know how to make that any simpler. The kitchen? Our space. The bedroom? Our space. The garden? Our space. The workshop in the…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 11:29 PM
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Why do we use analogies? Because they help us relate in terms of something easily understood for us, to something we don't easily understand. The point of all this is to show that you need to remember not everything translates over perfectly, and our frame of reference can be constrained by the language we use. When we talk about relationships in terms of utility and consumption, we run a real risk of letting that language inform how we actually treat people.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 11:14 PM
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Status for example is one that I think of. I don't think most men have a drive to be cool outside of it getting them women... All boys HS don't have stratification of social hierarchies or try to 'move up the ladder'? What about workspaces dominated by men? What's the point of braggadocio in male spaces if not for gaining status with other men? Women create the meaning of what it is to be cool through their own desires. Men do this too. If they didn't, we'd see more congruency between what women…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 10:42 PM
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It's an example meant to illustrate how sometimes it's not the specific thing we do within an isolated incident that makes someone upset, but a pattern of behavior that belies an attitude that is the true root of a problem. I used that example because it shows how 'surface' these strategies are at understanding women. And your language describing a womans frustration is pretty telling. My wife does respect me, as I do my best to respect her. Our house is our space. A side note, but a lot of time…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 09:57 PM
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If the analogy is useful and translates well, there's nothing wrong with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 09:45 PM
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Yes, exactly. Succinctly put.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 09:43 PM
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It's modeled after nonsense I see in this sub, and trp, albeit in a way meant to highlight it's absurdity. 'She should never turn you down for sex' is something I see all the damn time in trp, as well as the go to response 'time to start dread' if she says no.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 09:31 PM
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'Work' is kinda subjective. My position is that it's unhealthy and dehumanizing, especially in the way I see it applied here. I prefer to describe human relations through the schema of ethics of care theory personally. Alternately, there are plenty of schools of psychology outside of evopsych that have usefulness in helping us understand ourselves and others. Building healthy relationships is less about being able to follow a set of plans to build a specific thing, but developing and having the …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 09:24 PM
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Anything meaningful to us we describe as being of value. Are we only able to conceptualize value within the framework of economic language?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 09:06 PM
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Dunno. FDS seems pretty calculating in their approach. What do I hear about them here from red and blackpillers? They're delusional. They'll never succeed like that. So on and so forth.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 10:51 AM
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Right, let's see if I can get through this post before I fall asleep. ​ Think around here is what I asked you for an alternative to the economic model... and its kinda of a damn of you did or damn if you don't... because if your own words of "Maybe we start with allowing that there is a human element that eludes boxing in in pure terms of economics, and that things like the 'SMP' aren't literal markets where people are bought, sold and traded for utility, and is just a crude expression for the i…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 10:26 AM
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Will get back to this in a bit. It's 0330 here, and I'm getting off work in a bit. Gotta wrap up some paperwork
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 08:26 AM
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Sure that's fair, but what I contest is the idea that somehow thinking of relationships "economically" is the problem. I think it's a problem in the sense that in the broader sense, the language used limits our ability to conceptualize where the model falls short, and more specifically, using economic language to describe people is dehumanizing, and if we're consciously or subconsciously locking ourselves into this framework, it will bleed over into how we actually treat people. Lots of people w…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 08:17 AM
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Sure, so what you are saying is that both sides doing mean things are not okay. I fail to see why you are bring it up if both sides are doing it thou. Because I'm not playing for a 'team' here looking to score points. I'm trying to get anyone that does this to realize that it's not a useful behavior if the desired result is a healthy relationship. That kind of message ain't gender specific. You did not... Well, would you like to offer an argument as to why you think language doesn't limit our co…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 07:46 AM
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It's a humorous subreddit that features generally wholesome comments by people with questionable sounding handles.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 07:32 AM
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Man, you're missing the point of this whole post. I feel like we're kinda going in circles at this point. Maybe I'm just not communicating effectively to my audience. Whatever the case may be, I sincerely wish you the best in having healthy, mutually beneficial relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 07:24 AM
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I'd be mighty surprised if you haven't been featured in the rimjobsteve subreddit at some point.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 07:20 AM
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We are in a sub that discuss relationship and dating strategy, and it'l be a surprise if women wasn't talked about. I specifically mean the kind of dehumanizing terms they're talked about in. And, as per my edit, men are sometimes spoken of in a dehumanizing way too, this is also not ok. Conviction alone is a scary thing, it leads to religious fanaticism, racial prejudice, and ignorance. Truth is eternal and it proves itself without conviction. I also don't believe conviction is a requirement fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 07:15 AM
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Well yea, but I meant destructive in a general sense. Like, destructive to long term prospects for relationships, and I see a lot of how trp falls into that. At the end of the day, I don't think many people like being described, or treated as, economic terms.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 06:43 AM
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Humans are logical, self-optimizing creatures, or else progress won't exist and we are nothing but beast that are slave to our whims. We certainly try to be. To hear some people talk about women though, you'd think half the population are simply slaves to their own whims. Edit: I suppose certain women do the same about men though. at the end of the day people live with different moral codes and ideals and it's hilarious that one should tell another that they are wrong. Do you think it's wrong fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 06:37 AM
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You're essentially saying that people can only be nice if they're engaged in constant process of self-deception and deception towards others. Hardly. I'm just trying to get people to think about how the framework they approach relationships with might limit them. This thought is just so bizarre and alien to me man, I don't know how else to respond. You can find some pretty nasty ideas on both TRP and FDS, but I wouldn't say either of these are just a consequence of applying economic thinking or …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 06:23 AM
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I think there's a limit to how well the brain will ever understand itself. Not a comforting thought maybe, but sometimes it's ok to admit there are things we're never going to understand. I mean, as far as rejection goes, why not just ask? I was rejected a lot in dating. I asked sometimes why, and I'd get different answers. All it taught me was that people aren't puzzle boxes that'll open to some universal key, and every woman is different, even if there are some commonalities most of them have.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 06:13 AM
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I would go further than just 'strange'. I'd say destructive is a more apt descriptor.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 06:07 AM
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"what are the alternative explaination?" and here I'll ask you again if there are any alternative view that would make sense, but at the end of the day the point of using the economical model, or any model that applies logic is to remove the emotional response which often cloud our judgement I don't have all the answers. If I did, I would have just put it in the OP. I think that people are messy, emotional creatures, and we can't simply remove that. And any attempts at trying to are gonna backfi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 06:04 AM
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They don't have to know you're thinking of them in economic terms. I certainly wouldn't advise people to say that kind of thing to other people directly (unless you're having a discussion about the economics of relationships with people whom are trained in economics). The language we use to talk about and describe relationship dynamics will impact how we act. If you know that people would react badly to being thought of in such terms, how do you think they'll react when they feel they're being t…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 05:53 AM
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Oof.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 05:40 AM
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My own experience doesn't bear this out. And the whole point of my post is to show that when we constrain ourselves with certain language, we constrain our ability to understand what may not be accurately reflected in the model/language we're using.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 05:39 AM
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Maybe we start with allowing that there is a human element that eludes boxing in in pure terms of economics, and that things like the 'SMP' aren't literal markets where people are bought, sold and traded for utility, and is just a crude expression for the intricacies of romantic interaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 05:37 AM
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I mean, I thought I explained it pretty well in the OP, but I'll give it another shot here. Can we agree that often times, people use economic terms in this sub to try and model dating behavior? If yes, can we also agree that many people seem to be upset at the other party for things like 'not realising their own value' or 'wanting more than their own value' or 'having to put in work for sex, where it was given freely to someone else'? My position is that these angry reactions are the result of …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 05:31 AM
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I've been married for four years bud.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 05:24 AM
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Well, I have a few years on ya, but thats neither here nor there. For someone that doesn't care about connections, you certainly seem to be using language that conveys some deep seated pain. I wish you well man.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 05:16 AM
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Are people perfectly rational beings that lack feelings? Yall talk about feelings as if they're some icky cooties. People have feelings. And if you try to reduce people to economic terms, not only will you hurt their feelings, but your feelings will also inevitably be hurt, either when you're treated in kind, or when your model breaks down, and you can't figure out where you went wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 05:12 AM
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I suppose like people. Maybe we don't be so dehumanizing when we talk about this stuff, and we'll see each other more like people and less like commodities to be bought, sold and traded. I suppose mileage may vary on your emotional response, but you don't need to look beyond this thread to see my point about people's rage.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 05:06 AM
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Well, I choose mutual love and respect with my wife. Maybe try some introspection about how you might be limiting yourself to a false dichotomy, get back with me later.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 05:03 AM
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Maybe it's old fashioned, but I was always taught that you should try to treat people the way they want to be treated. I find that it's a good starting place for getting treated the way you'd like to be treated in return.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 04:57 AM
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Well, you asked about human behavior where economic language isn't -usually- used to describe it, not that no one has ever made an attempt to do so, or whether those attempts are accurate, good or useful. Hell, we've been using freakin baseball terms to describe advancement of a sexual relationship, does anyone here think that's a useful and complete model? Maybe for kids, but ya know, as we mature, our understanding hopefully matures too.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 04:54 AM
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S'all good, thanks for the comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 04:22 AM
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Also, red pill will say women uses emotion or intuition for picking relationships most of the time anyways, so reason will not always work with them. My handle probably tells you what I think about trp, but I'd venture that both men and women use combinations of rationalization, emotion and intuition for picking relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 04:22 AM
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I'm not sure people 'need' to think in specific terms, but I will allow that I'm neurotypical, and my experience isn't universal. That said, I think everyone can benefit from at least doing some introspection on the matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 04:17 AM
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I mean, I'm not looking to bash you over the head here, it's just a discussion. If you not interested though, thats ok too 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 04:15 AM
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But if people are doing this analysis subconsciously anyways- isn't it all the same? Nope. As per my OP, I think that the language we use to understand things can impact our emotional responses and limit them within the framework of that language. So sure, unconscious biases can hurt us too, but the answer isn't just to bring them out in the open and leave it at that. Maybe instead of reinforcing our biases with language that limits our ability to expand our understanding, we do some introspecti…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 04:12 AM
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Well now ya ruined it
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 04:00 AM
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I guess I did. ;) Don't explain the joke though, I'll figure it out eventually.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 03:57 AM
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But the other side of the coin is that people can't derive happiness from a relationship unless they do think in these terms. I mean, I'm kind of living proof that this isn't true, if yall are willing to allow that I'm coming here from.a position of good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 03:56 AM
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Based on all the economic grads coming out the woodworks, the criticism doesn't go well at all. Realizing bias at the end of the day is an introspective process, and you can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 03:55 AM
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The only reason they sabotage themselves is because they are using science speak and logic... Or maybe it's being misapplied? Or because applying it in strict terms misses out on the human element, or rather, reduces the human element to something less? But this does not mean this idea doesn't help other people understand the dynamics of relationships. I see a lot of people on this sub with a very warped understanding of relationships. Hence the post. And it doesn't take into account whether peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 03:51 AM
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The post was originally flaired as discussion. A mod changed it I guess? But yea, as per my OP, this isn't a CMV.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 03:44 AM
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Do you think that thinking about people in these terms is useful for a LTR? I'm not going to dispute that capitalism commodifies people. I certainly don't see it as a good thing though.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 03:43 AM
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For online debate I believe that the economic language and terminology is perfect! IRL... wouldn't use the same terminology on a date. Why not? I'm going to venture a guess that you're self aware enough to know it's going to sabotage your date, and that kind of language is inappropriate in communicating with a date. Would you agree though that the language we use to understand things has the potential to box us in emotionally?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 03:40 AM
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Could you give me an example of an area or kind of human behavior in which economic language is not usefully used to describe it? Love or altruism, most notably in the kind of self sacrifice that results in death for the benefit of non kin.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 03:27 AM
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Way to not address my post at all. But you do you man. Of course, the utils are not measured consistently across the board so the variance can be considerable between actors. Particularly when making relationship choices. You wouldn't think that, based on the way people post around here. Might make one think that taking a laymens understanding of economics, and/or of people, might lead one down a bad path when trying to understand one in terms of the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 03:19 AM
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Your entire framing of the "economic approach" to relationships bears no relationship at all to actual economic analysis. You're essentially complaining that the language of economics sounds dehumanizing, but you're not actually contesting any of the arguments that are being made by it. Quick question. Do you think the majority of people here understand economics and people a degree where they can see in what areas economic language isn't useful in describing human interaction, and adjust their …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 03:03 AM
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I would counter that most people here aren't economic wonks, and when they use the language of economics to understand human interaction in a romantic sense, they sabotage themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 02:57 AM
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Of course there are some aspects of transaction to relationships. The whole point of the post is that when you solely view it in those terms, you're self sabotaging. I'm not deluded, I don't say 'well, my wife loves me unconditionally, so I can just stop bathing or doing any personal hygiene and this won't impact the health of my relationship'. But I also don't say 'why won't you give me a blowjob right now? My junk is clean'. Do you see the difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 02:54 AM
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My feelings aren't hurt bud. I'm married, and my relationship is awesome. It's not some mythical thing that happened to me because I'm lucky. I put in a considerable amount of effort into my marriage, but the process, and the result, are very fulfilling. This is more like, when you're watching a movie, and you can see the characters are doing All The Wrong Things, and you can see as the viewer how it's going to bite them in the ass, and you're yelling at the screen in frustration.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 02:39 AM
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As someone with a postgrad level economics degree, you clearly don't understand economics. Which part do you think I'm getting wrong here? Maybe you're the one who doesn't get people? Or do you like the idea of only being seen for your utility to others?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 02:35 AM
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You can label it as such, if that makes you feel better. 🤷‍♂️
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 02:31 AM
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Again, let me know when those divorces aren't about money. You're conflating marriage as a secular institution and contract with romantic relationships as a whole. Divorce sucks, and some people make it about money, whether thats fair or not. People make divorce about money usually for one of two reasons. One, one partners earning potential was handicapped during the course of the marriage due to kids. Two, someone is emotionally hurt and lashing out in the only way they know how.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 02:29 AM
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We all think of things in terms sometimes that isn't useful, or productive. Whats wrong with pointing that out? It's kind of like having a bias. We all have them, but if we're aware of them, we can be mindful of the potential impact they have on our decision making, and hopefully actively work to reduce them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 02:20 AM
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We have no other means to evaluate relationships by viewing others as "individual people with their own likes and interests," because not one piece of information could ever be published unless it was about a certain individual. Really? So all published papers on the topic of relationships reduces people to utility and commodities?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 02:16 AM
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I mean, I work because I like having that feeling of productivity. I like working because it pays the bills, and lets me donate to causes I see as worthy. Relationships require a certain kind of work, but not in the same way I work when I clock in. My effort I put into maintaining my relationships is because I respect the people I love in my life, and maintaining those relationships is how I show that respect and love.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 02:09 AM
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And what drawbacks do you see, if any, in viewing people in terms of utility?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 02:04 AM
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Is it a useful system to compare it to? Does it bring you and the people around you a sense of joy and fulfillment?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 02:00 AM
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Is it useful to explain it in the terms of economics?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 01:59 AM
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Are people houses to you? I swear, some of these replies are the perfect illustration to my point. All yall have is a hammer, and all you can see is nails.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 01:58 AM
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That sounds miserable man. You deserve a better outlook for the journey of your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 01:56 AM
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Can sound decision making be made with different conceptualizations? Just because we can think of relationships in economic terms doesn't mean it's useful to do so. When you look at relationships only through the lenses of utility, that's the only outcome you're going to deal with. Maybe some people are ok with being reduced to utility, but I don't think most of us are. I'm certainly not. And I know my wife wouldn't either.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/20 01:49 AM
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Which 'times' are you referring to? Marriage as an institution has changed a lot, compare how matchmaking is done now, and the function marriage serves now, compared to 19th century and back.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 09:58 PM
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Much appreciated. I think someone also mentioned a sister sub dedicated to making one more attractive to men. I don't think I've seen that sub. I've lurked at FDS a few times, but I'm not the sort of person welcome to post there, so I spend a minimal amount of time keeping up with that sub. 🤷‍♂️ I've read enough to know what I think is good, and what isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 09:53 PM
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I think that the self improvement that FDS preaches, 'leveling up' for ones own sake, is not the same kind of self improvement, or accused lack thereof, that certain people deride them for. Just my own observation, but when I see people harp on FDS about not preaching self improvement, it's almost always within the context of either: 'self improvement' should be something done with the express purpose to make one more attractive to others (ie, the goal should be external validation), or it's a c…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 09:39 PM
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On mobile now, so posting is a bit clunky, but I'll certainly take a look at what you posted when I get off work in 12 hours. But just to be clear, asking for academic sources is not asking for an appeal to authority. 'Academic sources' here being evidence based on experimentation. We may end up disagreeing on how good those sources are due to methodology or cognitive bias, but it's not something I'd accuse one of committing an informal fallacy over.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 09:18 PM
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That doesn't really address my assertion though that wage stagnation has an effect on income inequality, which you seem to be contesting. The two principle modes of personal wealth growth are wages and investment. If wages stagnate relative to inflation, producivity gains and increase in cost of living, income inequality is exacerbated. Whether you're arguing that moving away from the gold standard simply underpinned these other factors, or if the other factors have zero bearing at all, I'm just…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 08:31 PM
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I'm gonna take it that you're not interested in investing any kind of effort into this exchange. That's fine, maybe next time. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 07:43 PM
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If you want to support that with sources, I'd be more than happy to look over it. Income inequality has multiple factors that contribute, my comment was not that 'only wage stagnation increases income inequality', but rather that it's part of the equation. If you want to say it's not, share something.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 06:21 PM
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I'd venture that a strong contributing factor to marriage rates will be the economic climate. Recessions and depressions aren't condusive to people getting hitched, nor is a widening wealth gap. It's not a very flashy answer, but data supports it. Marriage rates fell 20% during the Great Depression. Wage stagnation has been exacerbating income inequality pretty consistently since the 70's, which correlates with the sharp decline in marriage rates seen here. Making predictions about our economic …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 05:17 PM
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I find that most people are less filtered or inhibited once you get to know them. Doesn't really answer your question I guess, since you're looking for unfiltered from out the gate, but that's how human interaction often goes. Also, in what context are you looking for unfiltered? Like a debate setting? Or just people to shoot the shit with? The latter is probably easier to cultivate. If you're just looking for like, legit friends, try activities based clubs, or if it's hard finding those, networ…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 04:59 PM
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Depends on how you define forgiveness. For me, at the end of the day, forgiveness isn't for the person who hurt me, it's for me, letting go of anger and negativity. I could forgive it, but I have a hard time envisioning a scenario where the relationship would survive. My marriage is built on trust. Without trust, everything else is just going through the motions.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 04:04 AM
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'Women's rights' is at this point a rather nebulous term that means different things to different people. That said, to those that think the women's rights movement today is only about preferential treatment, I would counter that to a privileged group, equal (edit: or maybe a better descriptor, equitable) treatment looks like discrimination. To address the broader question, I would first question whether there is widespread, common consequences for not supporting women. Elected officials certain…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/20 12:40 AM
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Why would only one side need to hear it more? Both sides need to hear it equally. Both sides need to maintain good communication skills if a relationship is going to work. This debate is needlessly being framed as a 'one side must be wrong' discussion, which doesn't actually help, unless the whole point of this is to just score internet points for your team. And ya know, maybe this is a controversial opinion here, but if you're having issues communicating with your SO, try couples therapy. Learn…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 11:37 PM
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I mean, I have no idea. Maybe? I'm not sure about the point of the post though with the CMV tag. Are we trying to change your mind that more casual sex happens now, or is there some value attached to all of this? That more casual sex = better? The term incel dates back to 1993 though, at least according to the wikipedia page on it under it's history, so I don't think it's fair to say the concept didn't exist back then. Even if we go back to the 80's and prior, there has always been slang for the…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 11:16 PM
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Bad parenting is certainly a part of it. I think another part of it is that the cultural zeitgeist changed with women, and dudes ignored the memo, and are just starting to catch on. And these two things fed into each other. The example my dad showed me in treating women was in some ways ok, in others, problematic, but socialization with girls through my teen years just didn't happen for a plethora of reasons, from untreated depression to physical circumstances (all boys catholic schools), and a …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 11:02 PM
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Oops wrong link here you go, again on the first page of google: https://a10-vip-wwwprod.ncl.ac.uk/media/wwwnclacuk/newcastleuniversitybusinessschool/files/WP04-2011.pdf From the introduction, again: This – at a first glance somewhat strange – relationship can be explained by differences in personality traits, differences in family life, social capital, labour market outcomes and lifestyles between the attractive and the unattractive. This has zero to do with genetic impact or prevalence of conge…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 08:51 PM
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Here’s just one article that I found on the front page of google: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40750-017-0081-0 A bit of advice man. One, you're the one making the positive claim, it's your obligation to do the legwork on providing resources to back up that claim. Snide like remarks about it just 'being on the front page of google' isn't going to get you anywhere. Two, maybe read your own sources before you link them as evidence to back up your claim. That doesn't say what you seem…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 08:20 PM
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Unattractive people will produce unhealthier kids on average. How unhealthy I’m not to sure because I’m not dr/biologist. Can you provide evidence of this? And of evidence that the degree of unhealthy traits would warrant wanting to eliminate those traits from the gene pool? ​ 2.Race is derived from ethnic origins and major groups include (Caucasian, Black, Asian...etc.) So you're saying that race is a human based classification of people primarily rooted in melanin occurence? I just need clarif…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 10:45 AM
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Ok a few things yes attractive people can health unhealthy kids but they are the exception not the rule so we might as well try to solve as many problems as possible. Are unhealthy kids the rule of unattractive people? If so, can you provide evidence? And to what degree are they unhealthy? Are we talking debilitating health issues that severely impact the quality of life? Where is line drawn? If they aren't the rule, then why are we coming up with fixes for problems that don't exist? ​ Genetic d…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 09:55 AM
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Can they have healthy kids? Sure. Do attractive people ever have unhealthy kids? Also yes. I don't see this as a selling point for eugenics. ​ Again genetic diversity is primary concerns racial diversity and so that’s a moot point. What? Who says that? ​ As far as the ethics surrounding this go, so long as people have the free will to decide wether or not they participate in this the government would have met its obligation. Choices aren't made in a vacuum, and the context surrounding it matters…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 09:12 AM
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Relationships aren't always so neat and tidy and logical. People might be invested in the relationship, and conflicted about just throwing it all away. Maybe they're hoping things can change. More often than not, people are creatures of habit, and at the end of the day, they're not going to willingly change their circumstances unless it's absolutely clear that the uncertainty of the change won't be as bad as the status quo. The only people that hold something hostage in a relationship with a cle…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 08:56 AM
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Can people not tradtionally considered attractive not have kids that are? What might the unintended consequences be of reducing genetic diversity? Financially incentivizing sterilization comes with all kinds of ethical quandaries, not least of all because choices aren't made in a vacuum.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 08:37 AM
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Well, good luck going galt then I guess. There are healthier ways of dealing with your frustrations though. And all the women I know were absolutely told this advice. Maybe that's why more women seem to be ok with staying single until they can find someone they want to be with, that also wants to be with them? I used to value myself on things like that. Whether I was getting laid, how much money I was making, what kind of clothes I wore, what kind of car I drove. Probably doesn't need to be said…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 07:35 AM
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Because of their number. The overwhelming majority of women chase men far beyond their league which lowers the overall happiness of billions of men. If you attach your happiness and self worth to external metrics like being in a romantic relationship, maybe? Then again, is a better solution for women to be in unsatisfying relationships with men? Will that make men happy? Will that make those women happy? Kinda sounds like you're going to have an even greater number of unhappy people. So if this …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 07:14 AM
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I love the way yall break down the intracacies of human attraction to a ten point scale. And how we can just box everyone into a little number, and everyone just has to go along with it. But for the sake of argument, let's just say that a woman chases guys that for whatever reason or another, just aren't into her. How does this effect you at all? Why be mad over someone else striking out? Is attraction negotiable? More over, do you want to be someones second, third, fourth or fifth choice? Maybe…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 06:30 AM
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Maybe spend more time working on yourself, and examining why you feel offended, and less time being nosy about other peoples business? 'Their delusion' also presupposes that you're some knower of Objective TruthTM, which seems pretty arrogant and unwarranted. Try shifting to a more internal locus of control, I think you'll be happier for it in the long run.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 03:06 AM
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They also want to prove their bravery to fellow men. Nobody wants to go to war with a coward standing next to them. What is it that makes the act brave exactly? How is it that not catcalling a woman shows cowardice? You're not exactly disagreeing with me that it's a performative act. And who is going to war exactly? You're not making a great case here. And I'm calling BS on guys thinking that women 'secretly' like it. The only way I can take this at face value is if the guy has a twisted worldvi…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 02:50 AM
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Seems like if sex stops, where there was once a healthy sexual relationship, that might indicate a deeper problem. As for what one 'should' do as a response, I would posit that if your go to move is to just leave her, you probably weren't that invested in her to begin with, so the relationship was doomed to fail anyway. Sex is one form of expression of intimacy. If all intimacy stops, maybe try to figure out why, and go from there? In the first year of my marriage, my wife's mother was diagnosed…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 01:15 AM
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Based on your responses, you seem to care very much. I mean, maybe you don't, but the emotional investment I'm seeing implies otherwise. I never said women don't enforce them. If you go back to my original post, you'll see examples I gave of women that police gender norms. You seem to be upset that the examples I listed don't fit neatly into your rigid worldview and this 'us v them' mentality that pervades this sub. And that's sad man, but I don't think there's anything I can do for you to help …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/20 12:17 AM
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Does it bother you that I don't fit your idea of what masculinity means, but I enjoy a healthy, loving, sexual relationship regardless? This is a great example of 'gender norm policing' by men in this very subreddit. You make an assumption about me through the very limited, strict, binary roles you assign to men, and attempt to mock me for what box you try to assign me to. Thank you, truly for being an illustration to my actual argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 11:56 PM
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Did you? Sounds like you made a baseless claim, and ran with it. I'm about the furthest thing from the kind of hypermasculine man that gets touted as the pinnacle of 'manliness', but I'm happily married, and my wife enjoys fucking me, if the frequency of my sex life is a fair indication of said desire. I made an observation, which I felt was appropriate for the conversation, which you falsely claimed as an argumentative position. There's no need to lash out here, I really don't get why you're so…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 11:48 PM
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A straw man (or strawman) is a form of argument and an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man". Literally not what I did. Also, what numbers am I propping up? What numbers have I offered? Your argument is laced with emotionally charged buzzwords, but doesn't offer much in the way of critical thought, or sour…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 11:33 PM
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An excellent rebuttal. 🙄 Literally not a strawman though, because I'm not propping this up as the OPs argument, only to knock down. I'm simply making an observation on other policing behavior, and how it's different from gender norm policing. I also go on literally in my next paragraph to give examples of women gender norm policing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 11:19 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_policing The reference section seems like a good place to start your exploration. Anecdotally, I see most gender policing coming from men. This sub is a pretty good example. "Not even real men" is a comment I see tossed around now and then about guys perceived not to exhibit stereotypical masculine qualities, pretty much exclusively from other men. Work in male dominated spaces is certainly another. The military, construction, cuisine, general industry are al…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 10:02 PM
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Much appreciated. And no, I don't think I will. Been doing pretty good the past 8 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 10:17 AM
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The way the question is worded makes it seem like it's just for redpill guys, but the flair says q4m, so I'll share. Dealt with depression and severe social anxiety through my teen years up to my early/mid twenties before I started to change things. A close, supportive network of friends and lots of therapy were my vehicles for change though. Edit: as for the results, I'm no longer depressed, I have an improved perception of self worth, and I can handle groups of more than six without panic atta…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 09:49 AM
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No. At my worst point in life, I was homeless, depressed, suicidal, and had no motivation or direction. I wasn't even trying to get with women at that point, but if I had, I can't even imagine holding someone in contempt for not wanting me as a romantic partner then. That said, there's a stark difference between dealing with people that are mentally unwell, and just being emotionally available for the normal, everyday shit. My wife is always there to listen to me when I have a bad day, without t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 07:57 AM
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Dunno, but this kind of reminds me of something my dad used to say. 'If everyone around you is the problem, maybe you're the problem'. I can't sell you on the idea that women aren't boring. But then again, I don't approach people with the idea that I need to be entertained, which it kinda feels like here. Maybe your idea of whats interesting is narrow minded?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 06:46 AM
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For most? Doubtful. From what I see, there's a certain aggrieved entitlement and resentment from incels, and sex isn't going to fix that. The path to leaving inceldom isn't easy. Learning to love yourself, and have basic human respect for yourself and others requires a lot more introspection and work than believing lifes problems can be fixed by some insane notion of 'ascension'.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 06:37 AM
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The premise of the question is just dumb. Might as well ask 'If America still has problems with racism, how was Obama elected? Checkmate libs!'
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 06:22 AM
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37 M. US (the south) Coming up on 4th anniversary in a few months. Wife took my name, was her choice. Would have been fine taking hers, doing the hyphenated thing, or making up an entire new last name just for us Edit: both of our families have been in the US for a long time. Mine since pre civil war, hers since the first wave of italian immigrants. We're both white, shes turning 34 later this year. No kids, first marriage for both of us. Both of us lean hard left (think left of Sanders)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/20 05:59 AM
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