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Most incels wouldn't touch a sex worker, the whole point is that they want free sex. Guys prefer not to have their first time with a whore.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 11:58 AM
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The point is to roast the OP, how did that guy even break the rules?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/23 02:02 AM
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Except the dudes posting pics in OLD subreddits saying they don't get matches often are average looking. The ugly ones usually aren't comfortable sharing pics.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/23 11:26 PM
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There’s a barrier there between the sexes and understanding one another that isn’t there with your fellow man. Men lack the same in-group preference women have. We divide along all lines, not just gender. The general vibe is competitive, not supportive. Men shouldn’t be suffering in the manosphere, this is the perfect environment to support one another, why isn’t it happening? The manosphere is focused on change, either personal or societal, while crying and comforting is seen as the realm of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 11:54 AM
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I've heard women are gatekeepers of sex and men gatekeepers of relationships. This is wrong. The statement refers to desirable men and dudes with money. But yeah, since the sex statement applies to all women in general, it's no equivalent.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 04:20 AM
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Women are more likely to be kidnapped, sexually assaulted, or raped, but men are more likely to be non-sexually physically assaulted, robbed, or murdered. Basically even.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 04:14 AM
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The usual advice of "just go out bro, go to the gym, keep practicing, keep studying adn working and making money and self improving", etc. does not work. That is because neurotypical people are naturally born with social skills whilst us men with aspergers are not naturally intuitive. We have to program social skills ourselves. What specific self improvemnt advice should be given to men with aspergers? I've seen some blue pillers here just give up on them. They'd rather cast the guys away than a…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 04:08 AM
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Are most red pillers Andrew Tate fans? No. Tate is more of a baby's first manosphere icon, most of us aren't TikTok kids. However I always see these guys bitching and crying over unfairness, and overall being negative. Everyone does that now, starting with feminists we live in a grievance culture. I feel like a lot of what Andrew Tate preaches it to be more positive, tells you to toughen the fuck up and stop being a bitch about things, personal responsibility (everything in your life good or bad…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 03:35 AM
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This gets sticky and subjective quickly, and I’m thinking off the cuff so this could probably be debated infinitely, but I think developing egalitarian attitudes relating to lifestyle, gender roles, and division of labor would improve this. Male desirability has been inversely related to egalitarianism so far, though. Men were most attractive when they just inherently had higher status and wealth than their women equivalents. As we see now without a stacked deck a lot of men are just not in dema…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 11:04 PM
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couples where one or both of the couple married very young (under 25) are more likely have a marriage that ends. But plenty of the people who married young weren't virgins. It's possible the virginity benefit off-sets the youth penalty. If we go by stats then ideally you'd marry a virgin around your own age. Cool, but... where are the 30 year old (female) virgins at? Wouldn't looking for one of those be even less realistic than looking for a young one? TRP already realizes how rare marriageable …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 09:46 PM
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Cool, but then I don't want to date women who had casual sex either. We should stay in our own lanes. Also a decent part of why slut shaming still exists is because most men can't be sluts. If all guys benefited from women being sluts they'd probably be more reluctant to criticize the behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 09:24 PM
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People keep missing the point with this. Nobody said men physically upgrade with age. They said men usually gain better employment, more money, and improved social skills as they age. Their looks may degrade, but most men were not physically attractive enough to pull on looks alone to begin with, so that loss is outweighed by his acquisition of the other traits. Meanwhile most women start off already physically attractive to men, and looks are a much bigger factor in their overall desirability, …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 07:38 PM
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The ability to sleep with a bunch of men is common, the ability to sleep with a bunch of women is rare (and thus impressive). That's all it comes down to. If getting tons of women was something everyone could do then it'd be criticized too, because there'd be no aura of impressiveness to distract from the actual behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/23 04:16 AM
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“Trad women: Pick better men. you won’t get abused as long as you just pick a good man Also trad women: control your hypergamy. Stop being so picky. There's no contradiction there. A dude's looks/height/money/etc. has nothing to do with how good of a person he is. They're advising to be less picky about shallow traits and vet more strictly for personality traits that make a good husband.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 10:05 PM
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Right-wingyness tends to act like being masculine is fighting everybody to triumph against them. That's the modern form because it's what the modern social environment encourages. We used to have men raised to defend society as a rule, and in exchange access to gainful employment and marriage was simplified. It was a system where when society wins, men win, so men helped society. But now this "liberal zebra" gets fuck all for his contributions, lower-middle class work or steep college debt and p…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 08:44 PM
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She sure is asking for a lot. For example why would a man "want" to pay for the first date when: he wasn't taught that it was a man's job to do so. the woman doesn't financially need him to. the woman doesn't inspire any natural instincts to support her by behaving traditionally. (i e. is an independent girlboss) ? Remove those factors and he's basically just doing it so he doesn't get ghosted, which still might happen regardless (free meal dating), so it's hard to be enthusiastic about it. Henc…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 08:19 PM
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Back when men were fully in charge of society you did have to support your children, control your sexual habits, and vet your spouse heavily. We're arguing that it's silly to expect that stuff during a "sexual revolution".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 06:47 PM
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They don't outnumber. But at that age the women who want LTRs have higher standards than the men who want LTRs. An example is how some are often dating men ~5 years older who are more established in terms of wealth, status, and education.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 06:31 PM
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Blue pillers will simultaneously push how the average American woman is overweight, and be utterly shocked and disgusted that a man doesn't want to date in America.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 06:26 PM
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Unless you lack empathy or look literally atrocious, it's impossible you couldn't find a partner Nonsense. As a guy all it takes is bad social skills, being shy and awkward. Has nothing to do with morals and the guy doesn't even need to be all that ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 06:04 PM
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Left out how? As in completely. No dating or sex. Which is largely a straight male problem. Gay guys have a ton of base sexual attraction to work with, the option to be passive and get approached if they don't have the social skills to do it themselves, and actual functional dating apps. Finding a proper relationship can be hard but it's easier when you have some sort of foot in the door. Plenty of straight guys due to their looks/social skills face a total lock out.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 05:43 PM
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Really, i think this mentaloty is causing the issues men are facing now. You guys spend your teens and 20s aiming for cauual sex, then get angry at 30 that the women did the same but sucessfully want to get married now. If yoi guys had just settled down earlier you could have a low n-count woman and wouldn't have to complain about AFBB. Half the guys here wanted an actual girlfriend early but kept finding that the women they'd talk to were either out hooking up with more attractive men or genuin…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 05:24 PM
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If you think your gender should pursue hot people and think that the opposite gender shouldnt pursue hot people, that’s hypocrisy. Thing is when men are shallow and pursue women over tingles they don't then whine about being used for sex. If you think the opposite gender should be blamed for dating/fucking bad people, but think your gender should coddled for their own bad taste in sex partners, that’s hypocrisy. Women often actually have better men to choose from. Women getting emotional support…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 02:25 PM
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There was a thread here about if women had backup suitors, guy friends/acquaintances who they knew would be willing to date them if given a chance. The grand majority of PPD women who responded admitted they did. As a guy I sure don't have any woman friends like that. Plenty of guys don't. Simple fact is men often don't have the abundance of choice necessary to be selective about various traits in women. You can't tell dudes to pick better when better was not available. If the guy's a gigachad c…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/23 04:27 AM
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you just don't see them (lol) because they don't leave their houses/barely socialize This is kinda what OP means. When a guy says he's invisible he means even if he goes out, socializes, approaches, or puts a profile up. The invisible women are just not taking initiative, if they did there would be some response. As far as looks go men find a wider range of women physically attractive than the reverse, so a woman being invisible for her looks would have to look unusually bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 06:42 PM
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The people whining "wahh you hate economic freedom, jealous of my wealth commie?" are missing the point. OP's not talking about capitalism in general, but specifically the progressive capitalism that took root post-WW2. The prior iteration of capitalism was fine. The modern debt reliant, affirmative action addled version is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 06:27 PM
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In most cases it's obvious early on that the father is a deadbeat who doesn't want a child, in which case terminating the pregnancy is an option. Single mom still had the final say in that case.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 06:00 PM
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Plenty of women complain about guys who don't approach or pay for dates despite themselves not approaching or paying for dates. Also wanting something is irrelevant, only what you do in reality matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 05:41 PM
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No, shy gentle submissive men are unlikely to do those in general, but women don't select from that pool. Women explictly select from a pool of men more prone to aggressive or hedonistic behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 05:29 PM
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Well I think the problem some of us guys are facing here is that we don't think a "dating scene" is reliably productive to begin with, so of course we can't give solid advice on how to navigate it. Sure we can say, "only date nice gentle guys who wait extremely long times for sex and don't even really push for it" but nobody actually does that until after they're already gotten burned. Young people aren't good judges of character and will mess up.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 06:45 AM
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As some have said, the advice I'd give is so contrary to the prevelant social values, peer pressure, and her own instinctual desires all at once that I'd just be ignored. She will "make mistakes" and by then it's too late to meaningfully follow the advice. Parenting is basically an L now. Society doesn't enforce it like it used to.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 03:57 AM
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Any woman constantly dating abusers, cheaters, and fuckbois is missing out on men who don't do those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/23 01:59 AM
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Again, this is the easiest time period in history. It's never been easier to climb the socioeconomic ladder. Every report on the matter indicates social mobility is currently harder than usual the US. It doesn't matter what you think makes it easier since individual spectators aren't able to account for every factor themselves, all that matters is stats and studies on the subject.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 07:43 PM
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Yeah I don't get the blue pill, "you need to improve everything about yourself, and also you can onpy date this specific group of women" that's generally regarded as less desirable. It's just not very encouraging. A guy's not gonna want to get buff and make 6 figures just to date post-wall women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/23 04:08 AM
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If so, why are men not hypergamous? Because women rarely ever matched or surpassed men in those fields, so it wouldn't make sense for men to prioritize them. Wealth, strength, and height are not associated with femininity, men instead value beauty, slimness, and curves.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 11:29 PM
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Maybe the next guy would genuinely care for her more and make her happier? What's the likelihood of that vs. the possibility that he just wants a casual fling? The higher you go the less likely the man is to commit. Looking at terrible odds and going, "so there's a chance?" is a suboptimal way to go through life.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 08:55 PM
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In some cases it's not just working harder, it can be changing your whole personality. And at that point any emotional relationships aren't worth it (since you're not actually liked while being yourself) and all that's left is hooking up.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 04:00 AM
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What would you tolerate from the Giga-stacy that you would absolutely refuse from average/below av. Woman? Nothing. I don't have this type of bias. I treat women differently based on their behavior/history.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 02:06 AM
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Guys don't obfuscate nearly as many details about their intimate habits as women do. We're honest that most guys want easy sex with physically attractive women, and don't really want to commit to a woman unless she's agreeable and has a respectable past. At best, you can reveal that there are extra conditions to things guys say, not that they're just outright false. Ex: "I love promiscuous women who know their way around the bed." Extra condition: "For casual sex, I'm not ready to settle down ye…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 01:48 AM
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The issues especially apply to the lower-class, you don't see poor beta males getting laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/23 12:35 AM
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Men's desire for meaningless pump-and-dump action, more so than women do, is what drives them to have terribly low standards. The lower standards also apply to relationships, so that's not it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 11:20 AM
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A fatty rooting for body positivity is doing fuck all to better their station. Half the guys complaining about the sexual marketplace are actually putting in the work (or did at some point) just to see the goalposts constantly shift. In an orderly equal society where strength is not a factor women are likely to outperform men simply because on average they receive better upbringings and social treatment. There isn't an easy solution to that. "You get what you put in" applies doubly to society at…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 11:14 AM
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We hear a lot of arguments about how men only care about casual sex, and women want only committed relationships. It's more that men are willing to commit to a smaller set of women while women are willing to casually sleep with a smaller set of men. The bottom of the barrel partners get relegated to men's fuckzone/women's betazone. With that said, I'd ideally go 1 with a quality woman, but if such a woman isn't available to me (a situation that increasing amounts of guys find themselves in) I'd …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 09:20 AM
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Are they really that clueless about how to speak to a woman without sexually harassing her? They don't know how to approach without being perceived as creepy. Some men are just socially awkward, and while it may have been fine in the past these new higher social standards are basically locking them out. Ideally modern empowered women would approach them instead but equality is a myth.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 06:48 AM
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As if the roles were reversed and there were a ton of super attractive and average women seeking sex with a much smaller number of men, the men would exclusively sleep with the less attractive people? We already see how desirable men with many options operate, the range of women they're willing to have casual sex with is significantly wider.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/23 06:43 AM
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Red pill complains about women who don’t have causal sex with men TRP complains about women who only have casual sex with higher tier men. If a woman just doesn't have casual sex at all, TRP's fine with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 10:11 PM
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Well it's either because: He has a high sex drive. or He wants to live up to the modern concept of masculinity, gain experience, impress his peers, be validated as sexually attractive, etc. or He doesn't particularly care about casual sex himself, but every woman he dates used to have it, and now he feels "behind" and wonders why all these women were willing to hook up with other guys but only want him for a relationship. So why would average men (or any man for that matter) want casual sex with…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 09:53 PM
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So the red pill pretty much sells to men that women’s standards have gone up which had led to the loneliness crisis we are currently witnessing. Women care about looks more, money, status ,treatment etc and they blame this phenomenon mainly on dating apps and social media But there’s another side who swears women have low standards and date losers all the time as seen this VIDEO right here The problem is simple miscommunication. Both of the statements are true. Women date losers (delinquents, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 05:40 AM
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I don't think is likely if your partner is similarly inexperienced. If they were out partying and hooking up the whole time you went ignored, and now that they're done with that they're willing to give you a chance, that's where the resentment tends to emerge.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/23 01:41 AM
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So all the guys crying about women being loved for themselves don’t know anything about the female experience. What we mean is that you get to be yourself and still be loved. Whether you succeed or fail or don't try, there is a man who'll live you regardless. Whereas guys are overwhelmingly expected to try and succeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 10:45 PM
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Obviously a Chris Hemsworth isn't relying on preselection. Women are attracted to him right away regardless of what anyone else is doing. But that doesn't disprove anything about the concept. Preselection is secondary and becomes a factor among plain average dudes who wouldn't otherwise be noticed. Send two men outside, one with a group of women and one either with a group of men or alone, and the one with the women will have an easier time interesting additional women. Many a unremarkable man h…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 10:41 PM
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Off the table, I'm not at the stage of life/experience where it'd be reasonable for me to jump straight to the point where a child's in the picture and I potentially have to deal with the other parent's involvement. Give me multiple times what I've had up to now and I'll be ready lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 08:50 AM
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So personality matters more than looks? Nice. Not necessarily, it's just that looks aren't as reliable a predictor of a man's intentions as his behavior, so they're less relevant to this specific discission. Also you’re quite literally attaching morality to sexual success as if all sexually unsuccessful men are good hearted puppy savers. I'm not making a moral judgment. Simply saying that young women at least seem to favor sexually assertive men, but yet sexually assertive men are the ones most …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 06:38 AM
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It creates a negative morality to male sexuality saying the only thing stopping a man from using a woman for sex is how attractive he is. Nope. I'm actually saying that the personality traits that women hover towards are more likely to be held by a man focused on sex. While the traits that are more likely to be held by a man focused on bonding tend to be deprioritized. If women selected for soft beta male personalities instead then pump and dumping would drop massively. But they don't/can't.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 03:04 AM
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So if these women all wanted to date the same type of guy, a guy like Michael they would be more unique? No. It's about variety. If a large amount of women liked Michael and a large amount liked the opposite of Michael and a large amount liked a guy in the middle, that's unique. But we don't really see that. Across the board, men's preferences are more varied. Men love both shy and assertive women, women overwhelmingly prefer assertive men. Men love both thin and fit women, women overwhelmingly …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 02:52 AM
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To elaborate, what I mean is that enough men would be willing to date her for to have an active dating life without changing her habits. Not all men willing want her, but plenty will. While there are generally not enough women willing to date Michael for him to have a love life as-is.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 01:24 AM
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They underrate how focused men they're attracted to want sex and overrate how focused men they're not attracted to are on sex. Basically assume the best of the men they want and the worst of the men they don't want, even though reality's often the reverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 12:59 AM
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That just supports his point. Men would date the woman version of Michael, since their tastes are much more varied. But women predictably don't want Michael because they mostly all tend to like and dislike the same shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 12:24 AM
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And realistically despite us listing "any race/height/income", most women aren't thinking similarly, so the portion of that 41% that's even potentially datable can be considerably smaller.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/23 11:52 PM
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Ok but none of that changes the fact that getting divorced with no prenup by some alpha widow ex-party girl after a dead bedroom marriage isn't a good deal for men. If you're the type of guy who wasn't attractive enough to be a casual sex option for women then assuming a woman's genuinely gonna stay married to you for life is playing with fire.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 11:09 PM
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Not every man is naturally masculine. In that case they need to be taught the way, and modern parents often fail to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 10:48 PM
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If it was established long ago by the greatest thinkers (and warriors) that there should be an unalienable equality among men despite the fact that we have different abilities, strengths, and weaknesses The reason that was established was because historically men who felt disenfranchised responded either violently or by dropping out of society (leaving the settlement lacking in defenders against any potential invasion). Basically rights/benefits motivated men to behave and contribute. It was for…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 09:47 PM
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It's unfair in an environment that attempts to artificially establish parity between men and women. "Men and women are equal" is not compatible with "men should do more than women."
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 09:32 PM
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Unattractive-to-mid women can still punch higher. You have to go down to older overweight single mom territory before average guys start getting decent attention with little effort (hence "dating gets easier for men over time").
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 07:49 PM
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While both Roosh and Tate got popular once they started to say offensive or shocking options. Which instead of making the manopshere look "good" it makes us look "bad." The manosphere isn't trying to look good, it's trying to understand dating and sex. Roosh and Tate saying terrible things but still getting tons of women disproves the common narrative that "toxicity" is the main reason men fail with women. And when you debunk a lie you get closer to the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 07:39 PM
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For example, rising numbers of men in caregiver positions, stay at home fathers and the like. Your own house is not a "woman's space".
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 08:30 AM
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Out of a belief that failure is guaranteed, not out of a lack of interest. MGTOW guys are closer to lacking an interest, but even then it's often because they either don't like their options or don't think the juice is worth the squeeze, and in a perfect scenario they might still be willing to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 07:02 AM
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That pill is borderline the opposite, the people with it are responding intensely to a lack of romance and love.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 05:16 AM
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Absolutely.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 05:16 AM
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Nice girl = normal. Nice guy = weak. Funny how even blue pillers and feminists aren't beyond judging men this way, but it's even worse when they do it since they rationalize it with baseless assumptions about the man's moral character. ("he must be toxic, fake, and entitled" because they refuse to admit that women just don't like boring submissive men)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 03:23 AM
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ofc there’s a minimum height threshold for many women that doesn’t get any wiggle room. like me, i don’t have pm any interest in dating a man shorter than 5’9. Well then it's not overblown lol. Fall anywhere below average American male height and all of a sudden that's a massive portion of women gone from a guy's dating pool.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/23 01:29 AM
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Some guys never had casual sex and are gonna question why they were never an option for that but all of a sudden some promiscuous woman wants a relationship with him. Guys don't like being stuffed in the soft and safe box.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 09:22 AM
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Fuck-zoned woman might get pregnant, and some guys see a baby as the sign it's time to settle down. Happened to a few promiscuous men I've known. Friend-zoned guy potentially has to wait years to maybe get settled for in the end, the failure rate is high and it takes ages to learn that you failed (when she gets married to someone else; while a fuck-zoned woman often just gets ghosted much earlier on).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 01:23 AM
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As mentioned it's an unremarkable beta male attracting either a wild harem of women or an innocent manic pixie dream girl just because he's so nice. He puts in none of the work seducing them, they love him just as he is. He then gets to use "I can't choose between them and I don't want to hurt the others" as an excuse to maintain the harem indefinitely, while things advance at a snail's pace with the dream girl because he respects her so much and wants to take things slow (perhaps considering he…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/23 12:32 AM
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People often lie on surveys. And studies often have errors or margin. Or are purposely biased. Thing is in some cases the fact that people lie helps the debater's point. There are probably more people cheating than those willing to admit it, there are probably less guys getting laid than those who claim they do, and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 10:50 PM
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Men generally want women desired by other men. Men with unusual tastes will often hide their preferences to avoid ridicule by other men, and will avoid being seen in public with a woman they don't think other men will find desirable, even if he likes her. We're talking in terms of basic attraction. As you said the man was already attracted to the unusual woman despite her being unpopular with other men. OP is claiming the woman is less likely to be attracted to the unusual man to begin with sinc…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 09:44 PM
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Women used to be the prize, now women are your competition The frustration is that they're both. He still has to win them over with his accomplishments but is also competing with them in the workplace to achieve these things. Men refusing to pay for dates - it’s not “alpha” - it’s pure insecurity that stems from jealousy. Women get college degrees more often than men and in the city young women earn more money than young men. Yet men are often still expected to pay full for dates, even though he…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 09:19 PM
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The “well most men are overweight, most men are blah blah THEREFORE women should be attracted to the statistical average blah blah” NO. The argument is more often used by women telling men to lower their standards and date fat chicks just because "the average woman is overweight!"
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 01:50 AM
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Rarely does the RP call out men or hold them accountable for “hypergamy" Because men would probably not date down if they had equivalent options to date across. It's assumed to be a choice made out of desperation, rather than preference. Nobody's gonna tell men, "just don't have sex then" since that's not a reasonable request in the current non-religious environment. Powerful, manipulative, violent, and dominant men are much more likely to be the cause of lopsided reproductive success favoring w…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 01:27 AM
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This is why a lot of the blue pill criticism of men who do poorly with women is off-base. "You hate women and objectify them" when the problem might instead be that he's actually too soft with women, and thus not arousing them sexually.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 01:12 AM
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The claim isn't that they're involuntarily single, but that their partying with top guys has raised their standards to the point where either they can't find marriageable men or they'll end up divorcing the men they do marry.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/23 12:55 AM
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When people say average they're often just referring to guys who look average, and you can still have those other problems limiting your dating prospects despite legitimately looking average. Also, it depends on what he's looking for. Even a properly social average guy could still struggle getting casual sex, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 04:02 AM
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It's a hypothetical, obviously the numbers are made up. All I'm saying is that it's easier to have casual sex with less atttactive women, and that guys will compromise a lot on looks based on how easy the woman makes things. you’re assuming the majority of women that are average don’t want commitment Most women want commitment, but many are willing to compromise based on how much more attractive the guy is. An extreme example is how even a lot of people who normally only get intimate in relation…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/23 12:39 AM
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For the most part a man that’s a 9/10 isn’t going to choose a 4/5 even for the purpose of FWB because he has access to other 10’s, 9’s, 8’s and even 7’s. Most women on the man's actual level are going to expect him to commit. The ease of casual sex exponentially increases the lower you go. If only 10% of 9/10 women are willing to do casual with you but 70% of 5/10 women are then most of the time you'll be going with women closer to 5/10.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 11:17 PM
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But as we can see from the incel forums just being a douche bag is generally not enough to pull women unless you happen to be attractive physically. A guy being a douchebag on a forum doesn't mean he has the balls to do it in real life, though. Most of the time one of those guys gets on the news the story is that he was "quiet, reserved, obsessive about his hobbies, frequently online" rather than that he was an active menace to society up to that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/23 10:12 PM
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Some people are missing the point. Women not approaching typically isn't hurting them. But the combination of that and also telling men not to approach either is. Since the men who ignore that advice and approach anyway are on average less considerate of the "rules" than the men who listen to the advice and back off. For example infidelity rates are on the rise, and it's possibly in some part because a lot of the guys who'd follow the "rules" and never cheat are nowadays not approaching, and thu…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 11:47 PM
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This isn't quite red pill, TRP doesn't make any assumptions about the alpha or beta's moral character. It just identifies the alpha as more sexually desirable than the beta. The image is simply a lazy generalization that all men are jerks anyway and therefore women might as well be shallow. And it still fails to justify said choice; if both options are misogynistic then why choose either at all? If a woman refuses to hold out for a non-misogynistic man then maybe she shouldn't be complaining abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 02:56 AM
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Additionally this also means that said women will get more oppirtunities to improve on their social skills, if they so choose. Progress is always easier with a helping hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/23 01:57 AM
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For a man looking for a level-headed woman, he’d need neither, simply the ability to support himself and not be dependent on her. Great but she's liable to have other expectations of men that are even less accessible than just making money. Guys aren't happy about passporting, it's just something they do because they don't look or act the way the way the women they want in the West require men to. (or the women they want are just too rare in the West)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 02:01 PM
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There's a difference between simply not oppressing women, and giving them substantial additional support if they still fall behind even when the rights are equal and the playing field is leveled. If society is willing to do the latter when women are naturally (not institutionally) disadvantaged relative to men, it begs the question of why the tone shifts to "just get used to it" when men are naturally disadvantaged relative to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 01:00 PM
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Being thin only approaches the level of unhealthiness of being fat if the individual looks visibly emaciated. And at that point men would be just as avoidant of the woman. Being averagely thin is far healthier than being averagely fat. And plenty of men aren't fans of plastic surgery or implants either.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/23 10:24 AM
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Thing is this experience is often being compared to a guy getting no play in his early 20s. Homely single moms is still technically > nothing, even if said options aren't desirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/23 11:49 PM
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The term is probably referring to instances where the pair were spurred to meet by a third party, such as a mutual friend introducing them or them being forced to collaborate at school/work.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 05:59 PM
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f) Men not conventionally attractive themselves, but wants a physically beautiful woman. That one's simple, relatively little is asked of women in the initial stages of dating besides looks. So there's a heightened focus given to them. Whereas women aren't just looking for looks, they also want a man who's assertive, pays for stuff, and gives the impression of being strong. If a guy is bringing a combination of all these traits to the table, he's gonna feel like he's earned the opportunity to go…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/23 09:37 AM
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more men are becoming single and lonely and gender relations have only gotten far worse when men starting embracing the RP Stats were trending that way before RP existed. Also I love the “no receipts” claim from people who base their whole ideology around men not being able to get laid based off data (some of it poorly constructed) - so which is it? are men not getting laid or are there no receipts? The claim lacking the receipts is that RP caused less men to get laid. There's simply zero proof.…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 09:04 PM
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yet the situation for them has only gotten worse People keep saying this with no receipts. Someone who already wasn't getting laid continuing to not get laid isn't someone whose situation "got worse." They'd have to actually be losing women over being RP for the statement to apply.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 08:09 PM
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At the lowest level that's not true. The most undesirable men can't fuck the most undesirable women, because less undesirable men already "lowered their standards" for the most undesirable women. If men date down and women date up then the lowest men get pushed out, hence the higher rates of male virgins.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 07:55 PM
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People fill the void with video games after they were already socially rejected.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 11:41 PM
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Even if that was an accurate description of the past, it's untebable in the modern day due to the ease of divorce. There's more temptation now than ever a formerly promiscuous individual to return to the market after they grow bored of their current partner. The nice guy can't really trust that a woman who spent ages dating different types of men will all of a sudden be cool with him for life. Statistically, the interest is often lost.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 02:30 AM
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Wanting power over others is sometimes at odds with kindness.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 01:45 AM
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The “nice guy” stereotype as we know it only exists in the casual sex marketplace. There’s plenty of options for the “nice guy” in the marriage/relationship market once he gets older or provided he’s not looking for the most beautiful woman on the market. Thing is the desired "options" for a nice guy who never had casual sex are women with a historical preference for nice guys who (as a result) also never had casual sex themselves. And the percentage of women like that has been dropping with the…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/23 01:29 AM
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And if they aren’t what are you doing about it? You don't have to be able to do anything about it to care. Sometimes allowing someone to vent about their struggles without attacking them (as long as they're not attacking others) is the best that can be done. Many people fail the basic decency test on this subject. Even if they don't care about the issue themselves, they could at least not constantly interfere with other peoples' discussion of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 08:23 PM
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Modern "exclusive access" just isn't as valuable, in the past it actually meant eternal exclusivity, now it often just means "welp I'm done not being exclusive now, impress me." In the modern day why would an "impressive" guy bother dating an average woman, instead of just pump and dumping her? There's often no answer to that, hence why it keeps happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 05:33 PM
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Intelligence is near the bottom of the list of traits women select for. It will often be conpromised on in favor of other traits that more outwardly display masculinity. Should a 145 IQ girl "submit" herself to a 110 IQ guy because of his alpha characteristics? If she's the type of woman who needs to submit to her man to respect him and be happy, yeah. Nobody said it made logical sense to structure relationships that way, just that they seem more stable that way. If she's a genius dating a moron…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/23 05:24 PM
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On top of being easier gay men are a lot more upfront and honest about what they want. They'll tell you outright if they want a big strong daddy or an obedient little twink, and don't get offended when they hear what the other dude wants. Dialogue's more open and there's less BS to sort through.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 08:19 PM
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I don't think modern virgin men would behave similarly in the past. Men were raised as social and economic leaders back then, working masculine jobs and being sole providers for worthy women. But we got rid of these standards and assurances, partly in favor of feminism, so partner quality's dropped across the board.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 07:47 PM
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The caveat is that a man who can't have casual sex gets few/none of these benefits.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 07:26 PM
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This really illustrates the point better than anything why men shouldn't be getting "advice" from women. After the list of "assuming you have" is over, not much advice is fucking needed! Exactly, the advice is basically just for men who women already want, and those guys have no incentive to change anything. The guy is never asking, "how should I treat all these women who are into me?", it's "how do I get women to be into me?" to begin with. Women seem to struggle heavily with the latter questio…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 05:09 PM
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Men do better in skilled trades and physical work. That’s where we need to excel. It is honestly the only thing a man can provide that a woman can’t. Women aren't doing as well in STEM either. Service work is the only major field where women consistently outperform men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 08:57 AM
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No benefit for men under these conditions. After 8 years she probably wasn't leaving anyway and having to pay for a second marriage is ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 05:59 AM
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Even if somehow true for most men, it clearly doesn't apply to TRP men since this is the land of "doesn't matter, had sex" and not trusting high N women for relationships to begin with. They do not care if she leaves.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/23 02:11 AM
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She also knows what's out there and has no delusions about Mr perfect. But meanwhile the low N person is likely to view their partner as Mr/Ms. Perfect. And men really want to be Mr. Perfect.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 09:09 PM
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And it's usually not the optionless men who end up with the "hoes". If he has no options it's because he's not attractive enough for whatever reason (below average appearance, poor social skills etc). What makes you think that a promiscuous woman who has plenty of options would choose the unattractive man who cares about body count? When the promiscuous woman is tired of hooking up she may start looking for commitment-minded men, of which some are less desirable dudes who care about body count. …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 08:57 PM
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It’s hurtful and should stop especially since the ugly or unattractive men who comment about it bitch and cry when someone turns around and does it to them. To be fair N count is a choice while looks largely aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 08:33 PM
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What if the low n woman you selected finds a guy taller and richer and decides to take the risk since she hasn’t done much risk faking in the past. That's a possibility, but a statistically lower one than the high N woman doing it. Low N people are less likely to leave/cheat; not saying they're better people, but they may just outright have less of an interest in being with multiple partners (hence them not having done it before). Plus, her low n-count would make her an option for him. Both wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 08:21 PM
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I’m saying that they are the same rarity as a women who wants to date all these “average” dudes. But the thing is they aren't, hence more men not dating at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 07:40 PM
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Ideally these people would date each other, perhaps meeting online using forums/apps dedicated to those who face these challenges. But unfortunately this often doesn't work due to gender inbalances. Neurodivergent women can still be approached by neurotypical men, it's mainly neurodivergent men who can't successfully approach women, so the dating impact is felt much differently across genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 07:37 AM
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If dating is as hard as they say it is then they would be idiots to reject these women. Not necessarily, if the promiscuous woman not willing to be casual with him (and instead wanting a relationship) is enough of an insult to the guy that he wouldn't be happy in the relationship anyway, then passing it up makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 07:09 AM
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Sex-positive feminism that considers sexually liberated women "empowered" and tackles slut shaming is the prevalent version in the modern day, so it's at the least encouraging women to hookup. But encouraging everyone to just have as much sex as they can leads to an environment of a few promiscuous men and a ton of promiscuous women, which is ultimately imbalanced. The problem with the complaints about the "slut/stud" double standard in dating is the fact that most men aren't studs to begin with…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/23 03:48 AM
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I would always hire a female worker if I want someone to work hard, Among full-time workers women take 5 hours less per week on average, and female workers are less likely to be full-time to begin with. As you say even a lacking woman can still contribute through her sheer presence and innate value, so that halo effect may artificially raise one's perception of their work ethic as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 09:11 PM
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PPD alone shows that there are plenty of bad dudes who are getting no action Those are a different type of bad dudes. They were getting no action to begin with, and became bad dudes out of frustration over that. The ones comments like the OP's refer to are naturals, they behave that way on instinct, because they enjoy it. They often don't struggle with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 05:50 PM
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Well yeah, for women dating advice is just recommendations, not requirements.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 10:18 AM
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Some guys have to offer more in some areas (provision, commitment, etc.) than other guys, because they have less to offer in other areas (attraction and arousal). And we'll offer those to women who respect the exchange, as in, not women who gave more for less in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 09:30 AM
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Many guys will answer that it's the same either way. Ignorance isn't an excuse when women grow up told by their elders and authority figures not to have sex with a guy too fast to begin with. The warning was given.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 09:02 AM
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Because it's simply a fact. Feminist rhetoric and creepshaming worsen male approach anxiety. Yet men are still expected to approach, so the best move is to simply ignore it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 08:13 AM
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But it's still a bad fit for the list in context. "A short guy in his 20s might still be short in his 30s" is a big understatement; guys aren't known to have major growth spurts in their 20s, so the guy is almost definitely still short in his 30s. The other traits on the list are exponentially more likely to change throughout your 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 06:56 AM
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Men have more advantage in dating What? Most women would get no play if they had to meet the social standards men are held to in dating. Whenever these questions are asked in dating spaces, you see more men willing to switch than women. It goes to show whose role is actually more frustrating.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 05:11 AM
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Modern women are increasingly shunning cold approaches in favor of online dating/social circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/23 05:06 AM
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Well the issue is you often can't get both. If you already got your "hypergamous compensation" upfront in the form of a better partner, it's a bit odd to then expect that partner to split everything else 50/50 with you. Putting more into the relationship is what you do in exchange for dating someone of a higher quality. It's like how a sugar daddy knows he's footing every bill for his young attractive mate. The demand for equal housework and the like wouldn't fall on deaf ears so often if the pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 06:34 PM
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Because it's harder for men to get any action at all, and men are largely expected to lead in the early stages of dating. A woman can simply dress well, go to a social venue, and wait to be approached and charmed. Breaking the ice is a basic part of dating they don't have to learn and get to skip entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 05:42 AM
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I can see how that interpretation would be more appealing than the alternative: men, in general, are less attractive. That theory fails to explain the gay community. Those dudes are heavily attracted to each other. The match rates only drop when women are involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/23 12:58 AM
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You're missing their point, they're saying most of the people doing that were already rejected by their peers. You can't be around people who don't want to associate with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 11:18 PM
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They grow up thinking the world revolves around them, expecting everyone to do whatever work they don’t want to do. Isn't it well known how lazy women are about the initial stages of dating? They often don't do the approach, set up the date, or handle escalation to the bedroom. Seems like it's men doing the work women don't want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 05:09 PM
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The problem is that 99 percent of the viewers won't become high value, they are deluded thinking that sleeping with dozens of women is equivalent to experience in dealing with a good woman and they don't gain any real relationship advice so young men can build character. One step at a time. Sleeping with multiple women is still a higher level of success than what the intended audience was previously doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/23 01:33 AM
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The amount of guys who actually have a Napoleon complex is quite smaller than the amount accused of such just for daring not to stay silent and invisible as short men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/23 04:47 AM
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Short of force-feeding society can't make you fat. And society definitely doesn't tell you to be fat. In other scenarios, though, society can in fact raise you in a way that's counterproductive to your goals, or needlessly discourage behavior that's beneficial to your goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 07:44 PM
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It is their fault. But every single time a moderate manosphere space had been banned it's resulted in the degenerate spaces growing. Banning talk of something somewhere doesn't make everyone stop talking, it makes them go elsewhere to do so, and those other places are potentially much worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 06:53 PM
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Because the manosphere is big now and a few domestic terrorists linked to it is all they need to try and censor it. Those who censor moderate talk encourage radical talk.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/23 01:22 AM
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Not necessarily, sex is often just about sex for men. Men aren't selective about who they sleep with, but are about who they marry. She's probably special to him in some way for him to have married her.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/23 05:54 AM
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But we know women show the most arousal and visceral attraction in happy relationships and really don't want casual sex. Thus the arguing with it. You can't say you want genuine arousal and attraction, but not have a happy committed relationship and be talking about women. Problem here is that when tradcons then try to socially discourage casual sex, some of the main people who show up to argue against doing so are "sexually liberated" women. Can't have it both ways here. We can't have a society…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 09:21 PM
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RP theory only strictly advises you to avoid women who slept with a bunch of men casually but want you to wait. If she's consistent (ex. low N and only ever had sex in relationships, or high N and wants to sleep with you right away) it's fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 11:08 PM
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Only 1 in 3 adults in the USA are the recommended weight for their size. Some of the 66% are underweight or muscular, not fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/23 06:35 PM
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Hell, even if a male comes across a woman who is superior to him in some area that small and insignificant action can cause him to become a raging sexist (look up GamerGate). Doesn't fit the description. GG was because some guy got cheated on by his ex and helped spread false rumors (that she traded sex for game coverage) about her as revenge, other gamers were duped by the lie and harassed her, the gaming media came to her defense by denouncing hardcore gamer culture as a whole, and hardcore ga…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 09:15 PM
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Naturally, there are still your super studs, your Chris Hemsworths, your Michael B. Jordans. This explains the 20% grouping at the top; these are the men that women that are widely agreed by most women as attractive. Well that's the thing. Men widely agree that a large portion of women are attractive. Women only widely agree that a small portion of men are attractive. Regardless of any roundabout logic we reach the same result.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 07:37 PM
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TRP says that 40 year old men magically become sexy and appealing to 20 year old women when they make a ton of money. That is an outlier scenario. The 40 year old needs a significant amount of money/status/charisma to compensate for his aging look. Obviously he would've been better off if he had that stuff at 20, but reality often doesn't permit perfection. BP recommends cultivating and maintaining a social sphere from early childhood through middle age in order to enjoy the benefits of a social…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 07:13 PM
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Why would it matter if u attract via clout status or money or looks or whatever. It doesnt matter, its always conditionable. The difference is between the attraction being sexual and being artificial.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 05:02 PM
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“Women will never love me because I’m not 6’3!” is one common inanity. “Women only care about money!” is another. Those are strawman arguments from black pillers, and things blue pillers say are often equally inaccurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 04:59 PM
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If all you need to do to be above average as a woman is not be overweight that still represents a gender imbalance. Just not being overweight doesn't get men anywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 08:15 AM
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I support leftists for economic reasons. I'm still 100% TRP. Your conclusion is useless because it fails to account for situations like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 08:17 PM
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They were always divided into 3 groups, alpha/beta/omega, Chad/normie/[redacted], etc. There's just not much to say about the third group. It's very possible that starting off so disadvantaged the juice is not worth the squeeze. I'd put it around 20% at this point honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 06:40 AM
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The value that TRP is most concerned with is sexual value, and it's hard to argue that the guy who gets sex fast isn't more sexually valued than the guy who can't.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 04:53 AM
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Probably not. Unattractive women will still pass on their subpar looks. Then consider other factors like people having children later and later past their reproductive primes, and the decrease of traditional family structures providing a stable upbringing for youths. That along with declining environmental conditions, food quality, physical labor, sun exposure, etc. and we may end up less attractive overall, despite female pickiness. Further exacerbating the issue is the fact that people are fat…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 03:58 AM
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The "epiphany phase" refers to the time when some women lose interest in casual sex/fling dating and start requiring commitment from their partners. TRP men generally want to be able to get with women before their epiphany phases.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 01:16 AM
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I don't get the confusion about this concept. AF/BB basically refers to how some men can get laid with significantly less investment than others. If she had a one night stand with some guy but another had to take her out on dates for a month first, that's a light example of AF/BB.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 10:00 PM
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The people responding, "only have sex when you're ready sweetie!" are forgetting that some women ethusiastically have sex early but then end up disappointed if the man doesn't stick around. In that scenario just following instinct still got her pumped and dumped. The only reliable method is to make men wait, get to know what type of person they are before sex, and perhaps integrate with his broader social network so it's harder for him to ghost you. BUT bear in mind that even an otherwise-decent…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 08:55 PM
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Men benefit from an imaginary version of gender equality that's consistently applied. We don't have that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 08:43 PM
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On a related note, another common complaint is that women who are 3s and 4s are getting men who 7+ while men who are 5s can't get anything and that's not fair because of reasons. But, again, according to economics, the value is determined by whatever the market will bear. So if a women who is a 3 gets a man who is a 7, then either the woman's value is underestimated, the man's value is overestimated, or both. Similarly, if a man who is a 5 can't get a woman who is a 5, then he's not a 5. Nonsens…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 08:40 PM
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Why would frat guys see it? They're usually alpha or least don't remotely have beta personalities. If you're friends with a bunch of geeks you'll probably see it, since those are often betas.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 07:53 PM
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Yes Chad gets those things, but most men have no real path to becoming that physically attractive. Can't just morph yourself a model face/height. Whereas merely above average women already start seeing huge rewards.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 09:10 AM
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No. The sleeping around is history in that case. Thinking that she "settled" because she doesn't have another option is just as much assuming as in the other case. Her history is informing his conclusion. If women all declined to ever have casual sex with him, but multiple women who've had it before only want relationships from him, clearly he is lacking whatever made those women act differently with the other men. Without that history, he has no grounds to determine anything. Likewise for a wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/23 12:52 AM
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An ugly guy can just as much have a player personality as a hot guy. Yes, which is why I made clear that personality needs to be vetted as well, not just looks. Frat bro gym guy is more likely to only want casual sex than timid friends-first nerd guy. A man doesn't like it when a woman sleeps around with hot guys, and than in the end wants to settle for him, because she doesn't have another option. In the same way, women don't like it when a man desires to sleep around with other women, but deci…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 09:14 PM
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He'd sleep with both. Male sexuality is not selective, any woman who doesn't look outright repulsive to him is fair game.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 06:48 PM
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And what incentive do women have to choose for men of less "value", when all men have the same mentality of taking advantage of every opportunity to have sex? A hotter guy with a player personality is significantly more likely to pump and dump a woman than her looksmatch with a plain personality is. Either men have to hold those top x percent of men who "get all the sex" responsible for their egoistic behavior High status men don't listen to the complaints of low status men. Unless we return to …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/23 05:20 PM
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You don't need to because men already lowered their standards instead. So it's bizarre to tell them to somehow go even lower.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 10:35 PM
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Men tell us to pick better men When men say that, they literally just mean to do the same thing you've been doing with the bad men, just with good men who'll stick around instead. No guy is suggesting dumping extra obstacles on the good ones. They're suggesting you vet in some other way that doesn't result in a good guy being treated worse than a bad guy. Though unfortunately, many women don't seem to know how to identify serious men beyond how long they waited for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/23 01:14 PM
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Nobody said women don't continue getting laid past the wall. Just that their average partner quality drops from who they used to be able to get, and they begin to feel more stress to start a proper family. If the woman's fine with raising kids out of wedlock and continuing to date casually even in her 50s then there's not much consequence. But most women would prefer to be married to a quality man by then.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 08:45 PM
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How do young men "not need help" when they're less educated, more likely to be unemployed, and less likely to have a sufficient social life than young women? How are the growing number of out of shape young men on minimum wage with few friends and no sex life even benefiting from being men? The fact that the people controlling the world tend to be men doesn't mean that their privileges extend to other men. The social hierarchy is generally powerful men > the women they empower > powerless men. A…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 06:22 PM
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Secondly if men built the society why did men shift societal norms in a way that harmed them? Men don't have the same in-group loyalty that women do. They're more competitive. Beyond their close group of "bros" they don't care what happens to other men. Even this thread is dudes downplaying the issues other dudes complain about. Women don't do this to each other nearly as often.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 06:15 PM
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No, plenty of things are expected of the average man that aren't expected of the average woman. Men who fail to meet those expectations are suffering for being men. Gender roles aren't just a one-way street.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 05:18 PM
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If you slept with her early yourself but still find her personality desirable enough to warrant a relationship then it's not losing. If she made every guy wait then it's not losing. But yeah if she had casual sex with others while you had to wine and dine her then that's a solid L to the FWB guy. Dudes shouldn't put up with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 04:01 PM
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If the man's SMV is too much higher than ours, we know he has options and the window of opportunity with him will be too short for this strategy. Not putting out will cause him to leave 100%. Putting out sooner you run the risk of being seen as cheap, but at least it's not a guaranteed "L". In this case we usually roll the dice. You defeated your own CMV. If the guys women view as "high SMV" get laid immediately then, no, women do not "like" the waiting guy more. They literally view him as lower…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 03:26 PM
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This is the most irrational thing in the world. To all men and women, someone is better than you, someone would be more desired than you Im sorry that s life. I said they want to "feel" like the best. Even though the grand majority of people aren't the best at anything, they still want to feel like the person who's valued the most by their partner. Men struggle to feel that way when others made progress with a woman way faster than them. They "connected" much easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/23 01:49 AM
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And again you are assuming she is making only you wait 3 months not any guy she is interested in a LTR with post her attempts to grow as a woman and person. It doesn't have to just be him, being in a less desired general group of men is also a problem. There are three groups of men described here: Guys she was not interested in a LTR with. Guys she was interested in a LTR with, before she changed. Guys she is interested in a LTR with, after she changed. All implications are that she slept with m…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 10:07 PM
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People seem to want men to behave in line with women's biological clocks, and just give up on having kids if they're past the age where women can reliably have kids. It's very weird. You never see women adjusting their own behavior according to the limitations that men face in life, and people get mad if you ask them to. So why would vice-versa be done either?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 09:45 PM
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This is why male authority figures (fathers, pastors, etc.) tell young women not to have sex before commitment to begin with, at all. They get exploited by degenerate men and become less capable of trusting decent men. It's rational to protect yourself but there's no reason to expect an innocent guy to put up with lesser treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 08:47 PM
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Because they tend to complain if they get "used for sex", even though sex is usually the main reason a high tier man would bother with an average woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 08:29 PM
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In my opinion the normal dudes just have to go for uglyer women. Who are ugly guys supposed to go for then? If normal guys took the ugly women's attention already? The behavior you endorse pushes bottom tier men out of the game. So you shouldn't be surprised that they don't like you. Additionally, the women who spend their youth hooking up with higher tier men can't all marry them. But if they then marry a man on their own level, he'll potentially fail to impress her as much as the past Chads, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 08:25 PM
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Only if they demand I associate with their family. Portions of my family are horrendous, and out of basic decency, I would not bring a partner around these people.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 07:42 AM
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Why don't non-western countries have their own passport bros movement where they come to find western women for wives? Western women want western men. Why would a guy willingly look for a date in a place where it's harder to appeal to women? Men migrate to the West all the time, but it's often for financial reasons, and they often stick to migrant women. It's difficult to branch out here. I think it should be popularized so men in the west realize that the women here are highly prized and sought…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 07:34 AM
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The idea that otherwise desirable men end up alone if they're misogynistic. As shown by the countless men at fault for infidelity and manipulative/busive relationships, who still routinely find new women to frustrate regardless, that just isn't the case. Most of the lonely men who are misogynists started hating women because they already weren't romantically successful; the misogyny is the result, not the cause.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/23 03:46 AM
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The people responding are missing the fact that when some guys complain about how they can't get laid, they mean it literally, as is nobody at all wants to fuck them. They cannot get fat chicks, ugly chicks, etc. Even those women have access to better lays than him. So "women can't get a desirable man to commit" is not an equivalent complaint at all and shouldn't be used as a rebuttal. Those women could generally still get a soft boring nice guy to commit if they lowered their standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 06:17 PM
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They’re not choosing the woman out of raw attraction like they’re asking for. Men have raw attraction to the majority of women. So obviously they have to use other factors to choose between those women.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 05:11 AM
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On average it does, and you people keep missing why. No men don't inherently look better physically at 30 than 21. That's obvious. But incidentally, the 30 year old may have a more muscular body and probably has a better job, more money, more property (home/car/etc.), higher status, better social skills, etc. than the 21 year old version of himself, simply because these things take time to build/obtain. If all men had to rely on was their natural looks, most would be virgins for life. But there …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/23 02:07 AM
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RP is about learning how to charm and arouse women. Women date the RP men because they've been charmed/aroused. There's no particular mystery to it. FDS... I'm not entirely sure what it tells women to do for men. They seem to regard women who try to do things for men as pick-me's. The draw for a HVM is not particularly obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 09:49 PM
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He shouldn't be offended by that alone. He should be offended if the other men she slept with didn't have money, but now she wants it from him.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 09:01 PM
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1 obviously. Men are more concerned with how much the woman wants them than how much other men want the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 08:52 PM
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Thing is a lot of these guys would just be playing video games in the basement otherwise, and people would still complain about that too. Not everyone is ambitious and sociable. For a guy like that, trying to get a girlfriend basically is a job.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 07:14 PM
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With how often this type of thread pops up statistics must not be a popular class.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 05:17 AM
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You usually can't play video games at school or work, yet miraculously, plenty of guys are bad at socializing there too. Hardcore gamers just don't have anything better to do. Not playing doesn't suddenly give them the skills to do other things or make others want to be around them.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 04:17 AM
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They miss out on the socialization because other kids don't want to socialize with them. Gaming is just the symptom.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 04:14 AM
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i always hated the “women with the same traits can still get dates” cause it somehow implies that men are right for being okay with mental and emotional issues People can work on their issues more when social opportunities are actually open to them. It's a great thing that some people get the chance. but the issue i have is with the fact that women are somehow blamed for not lowering their standards for men with these issues I mean often the women have similar personalities themselves and still …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 03:31 AM
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Reading comprehension issue? "except maybe feminine in femme presenting folks"? Back at you, basic common sense says I was referring to some of the other traits as also not being emotional health issues. And lots of men with the traits listed are also in relationships just like women and many are not. You're creating divisions where none exist because you refuse to see past your own bias. I'm commenting on trends. It's significantly less likely for a man to get by with those traits than a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 02:43 AM
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Not all of them are emotional health issues, and nevertheless a passable looking woman with those traits can still get dates/matches with men. They may have problems with relationship stability, but they at least usually have a foot in the door.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 01:53 AM
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All these 30, 40, 50 year olds want to date women in their late teens and early 20s because they're at the same maturity and life experience? They're basically emotionally stunted man children? You don't see the problem with that? It's a problem for sure, but what can be done about it? If a guy was left out of dating in his 20s he doesn't magically gain dating wisdom once he's 30, he's still the same inexperienced guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 06:18 PM
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If he doesn't want lopsided power dynamics against him in his relationships he's stuck fishing deep for low experience women (with little means of identifying them) or just going overseas.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 06:12 PM
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But they at least got to the first date. A lot of the guys who are being themselves actually don't even get that far.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 06:03 PM
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You're misinterpreting the alleged benefit. Nobody is saying every low N count woman can score a tall handsome wealthy guy. That's 1% of the population. But with a low N she has access to a higher amount of relationship-minded men than otherwise, and enjoys a lower risk of her past ruining her current relationship. But most of benefit is internal; she herself will be less jaded by past encounters, and can be happier about settling down with an average guy, if she didn't have a bunch of flings wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 05:44 PM
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The problem is that not all personality types are attractive to women. Women tend not to like guys who are shy, submissive, gloomy, clingy, feminine (in terms of behavior), etc. Even if that's his natural self, there's no way to present it in a way most women want. Unless the dude's model attractive he won't get women this way. There isn't necessarily anything wrong him, but most women aren't attracted to his behavior, and if he wants them he has to adapt to what most of them want. Which potenti…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 05:16 PM
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My question is 👉 if both sides are disgruntled... why are only the men seeking greener pastures so much they have a "movement"? Because men have less options and are more desperate. And women can't necessarily find the men they want in other countries either. Only in a limited amount of countries does the average man actually have a high SMV. Women aren't trying to hunt broke short guys with patriarchal beliefs in the 3rd world. Meanwhile passport bros love the female equivalents of those men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 05:54 AM
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I would be telling him to mix with a variety of people of both sexes, get educated and travel and experience life, most normal people who want a relationship will find them during these endeavours. But the shy son that OP's talking about might not. He may be friendly, but he's not forward or particularly sexual. Because of that simple "go socialize and do interestung stuff" advice doesn't generally work for passive guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 01:28 AM
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Some of men's preferences deserved to be shamed. So some of women's do too, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 06:57 AM
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So there you go being hostile to one of the girls who is still on tinder, still bothering to even look at your trash profiles. Well we know we're not in the top 0.003% of men and thus wouldn't get right swiped by this woman regardless. The guys she does right swipe clearly have so many options they don't need her, as shown by 7 of the 8 just having casual sex and bouncing. No loss whether she's there or not lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 05:21 AM
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If you're single and people (of the sex you're attracted to) want you, it's by choice. If you're single and people don't want you, it's not by choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/23 02:02 AM
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The reason even an inoffensive pick-me might receive hate is because some women just dislike it when other women are vocal about adhering to gender roles and specifically trying to please men, instead of promoting the various "we can do whatever we want" social movements. They feel these women are snubbing feminist causes. They want pick-me's to work for women's interests rather than men's. It's a lot easier to get men to stop expecting traditional women if they're led to believe that these wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 08:57 PM
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I am told that dysfunctional men, particularly abusive ones, are attractive to women, particularly woman with similarly abusive/dysfunctional backgrounds. Not so? These are different types of dysfunctions. Pretending anyone ever said "women love all dysfunctional men" is a strawman, plenty of dysfunctions are known repellants to women, like awkwardness, cowardice, emotional fragility, clinginess, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 03:33 PM
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How does that square with the fact that women tend to be more romantic, they tend to more often remember their partner's birthdays, they tend to more often stay by their partner's side when they're sick, they more often cook and clean for their partners... That's in their relationships. But OP was referring to the guys who are being excluded from relationships for being too needy. It's entirely possible that the needy guys would be just as supportive in relationships as women if they could actua…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 03:21 PM
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Aren't values diffrent to everyone That's irrelevant, since what we're looking at is the trends. Certain traits on average are more sexually attractive than others. I know there are some general pieces of trash out there, but most people have redeeming factors so I don't get the term 'low value'. It's not a moral judgment. It's simply how attractive you are to the opposite gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 02:08 PM
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Height and handsome face are unfortunately mostly genetic, but the latter two can be achieved if we men put in the effort to do so. The fact that it is so difficult to achieve a muscular body or substantial wealth makes those who achieve it that much rarer and more desirable. You say that men have it better because they can get buff and wealthy, but then acknowledge that few men actually will and that the rarity of success in this field is what makes it valuable. So either only a select fraction…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 05:15 AM
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Doesn't work since it has nothing to do with women. It won't change the guy's behavior in that context.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/23 02:27 AM
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You don't. In the past manual labor made you physically viable, you needed to be economically viable to marry, and you sure better learn some emotional viability since you're with your partner for life. But the modern dating environment has shifted way past that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 11:04 PM
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Status for men is at least as powerful as professional cosmetics for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 11:14 PM
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The dating environment was much more balanced before online dating became popular. You used to only be compared to the other guys in the building that night, but now you're competing with guys across the city. Even TRP worked a lot better. A lot of former RP gurus who used to gather tons of women found themselves unable to actually do their jobs anymore as the new status quo set in. 2 - ugly/overweight women didnt have options, and could also be considered incels, since there was no online datin…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 10:41 PM
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"But there isn't any other advice!" Then just don't give any. Everyone knows what prostitution is. If a guy's complaining about not getting laid he obviously already ruled out hookers for whatever reason (he's broke, they're illegal, he doesn't want to run into a sting operation, etc.)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 10:06 PM
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People who aim this argument at men are severely downplaying how undesirable many of the guys forced to look into RP are. There is nobody for them to "give a chance" lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 09:46 PM
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It's an irrelevant question, non-traditional women still expect you to work just as much, they just don't stay home either.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 06:35 PM
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The amount of men who have some amount of stable income by their 30s is greater than the amount of men who have enough looks/charisma for casual sex ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/23 01:44 AM
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You’re chosen because you’re less desirable Nowhere did the men say that. thus not threatening the male’s ego with external male completion. The reason there's less competition is because of the woman's own choices; she doesn't accept men who don't offer commitment. That filters out all the men who just want sex. She could have slept with a bunch of sexier men if she wanted to. But she chose not to, because she prefers strong relationships. This is a fundamental difference from the beta bux. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 11:38 PM
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Frankly, the men at the top don't even need to play games — it'd be a fool's errand for most men to try and compete with them. Unfortunately in the modern market he is always competing with them. The top guys dive very far down for women. The only hope is how, by design, there just aren't enough top guys for every woman to get one.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 08:35 PM
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RP tells any young girls who may come across it that her best chance of marrying the man she’s most attracted to Her chances of marrying the one she's most attracted to still aren't great. But she has better secondary options when she's young. At least some of those guys are going to lie and con her into sex. Then when some of these young women and teens inevitably choose the wrong men and end up as single mothers, RP will hate them as if they should have known better. Because the advice is to n…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 08:19 PM
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Well a lot of men don't like that it's what works either. Some dudes would rather be some gentle submissive guy, but you can't find women that way lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 05:59 AM
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She has different political views Awful taste in music, fashion, food, in your opinion No sense of humor, boring personality, can't hold a conversation Oh well. Gotta realize that from many men's perspectives this is quite common; women are often more socially liberal than us, like completely different things from us, and carry a low amount of weight in the initial stages of courtship. Unless you're Casanova it's not viable to disqualify a "fit, friendly, feminine" woman over these concerns. A l…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 02:57 AM
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How does women being pickier in choosing partners benefit men? It benefits successful men, who happen to be the ones making the laws. They can now sleep around under much less judgment. Since women no longer need commitment, you no longer have to offer it. The funny thing is that it doesn't benefit much of anyone else. Pickiness just makes a person harder to please.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 12:25 AM
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To me the purple pill is about accepting that women are basically like men: if a 10/10 girl threw herself at me, I’d probably fuck her in a porta potty with no condom. If a more average girl was interested in me, I’d be vetting for shared interests, long term compatibility, etc. Thing is most guys would fuck both in the porta potty, no vetting of either.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 09:16 PM
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A religious text lacks meaning if people just pick and choose what parts to folllow. At that point you're living by your own morality, not the faith's.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 09:06 PM
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As long as we have successful tech nerds who don't get laid while we have broke criminal junkies who do, it's not a matter of "working on yourself" or self-improvement. It's a matter of adapting to your dating environment. Becoming what most women want, regardless of whether that's anything good in a general sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 06:52 PM
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Nothing's going to change but I wish their dating preferences were actually consistent with blue rhetoric. I wouldn't have an issue with blue pill stuff if it wasn't literally fucking wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 05:55 AM
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Neither are weak shrimpy men. But women get a pass for being weak and shrimpy all the time. If women can hold men to standards that women don't have to meet, it's only fair that men get to do the same in return.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/23 03:17 AM
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That doesn’t seem healthy for men either because according to this theory men either love a woman, or desire them but never both. The guy also desires the virgin woman, it just takes longer time to get with her. The reason he sleeps with the hoe faster is because she actually lets him, not because he's more attracted to her. He's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 10:57 PM
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shallow I explictly mentioned that factors other than looks can also be involved in a woman's attraction to a guy. and only valuable for their looks I explictly mentioned that beyond looks a guy may also consider aspects of a woman's personality before choosing to date her. I only said that the raw sexual part of his attraction is heavily based on looks. Two of your conclusions are countered by the post you replied to and the rest is baseless nonsense. I wonder why dating is a struggle…. In your…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 08:27 PM
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If a man is physically attractive and unknown to other people, women will still be attracted to him if they somehow find him. At first. But if she finds out that he was a complete outcast beforehand her desire is likely to drop. While a man who finds out a woman was an outcast will still keep the same level of sexual attraction he started with. He may still choose to avoid her for logical reasons ("her personality's probably weird", "she might get clingy", etc.) but his emotions/urges wouldn't c…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 09:22 AM
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So men will be interested in a woman that other men actively don't want date? If she was still physically attractive, yes. She could've been a basement dweller unknown to men and the guy would still be attracted if he somehow found her. Men don't like women who are in high demand and will like a woman who's not picked by anyone? It's more that he doesn't care if she's in demand or not. So with that in mind, it'd be better for him if she wasn't in demand, since he'd have less competition to get w…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 08:34 AM
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Guys don't have an issue with simply being beta bucks, they just don't like doing it after alpha fucks. Because once you've had AF you're more likely to divorce or cheat on BB.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 06:24 PM
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God help the women if they give off even a whiff of pre-monogamous sexual curiosity. Well why would a guy want an eternal reminder of what he missed out on? It's a lot easier to accept never having a "sexual extravaganza" if your wife also didn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/23 06:16 PM
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It's possible to agree with the TRP analysis of modern dating but not have have the moral ability to just "enjoy the decline" yourself. Some men will always try to solve a problem instead of exploit it, even if there's realistically no solution possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 08:21 PM
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The latter. I like helping people who need it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 04:16 AM
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why are comfort, familiarity, and security themselves anti seductive Because biologically sex is the bargaining chip used to get those from valuable partners. Once you have them, you no longer need to sex. It's like how you don't need fuel after you've already driven to your location.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 04:03 AM
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Most men complaining on the internet don't have the leverage to be selective, and there's not much incentive to chase career women when they tend to have higher standards than broke women and still expect you to pay your fair share anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 03:43 AM
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Obviously. Just men usually having to be the assertive ones heavily fucks over many neurodivergent men. Breaking the ice, flirting, physically escalating, initiating sex... Each of these can be one insurmountable task after another. He doesn't necessarily know when these actions are appropriate, how to read the response, or even what to say. While a neurodivergent woman can just let men approach her and set things up, or use a dating app.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/23 01:18 AM
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Women control the dating market because men's standards are ALREADY lower. Some ugly guys literally can't date ugly chicks because those women are able to casually date more desirable men instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/23 10:30 PM
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The wife would need to be a perfect virgin for me to consider the marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 10:13 AM
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I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that most of the men who are so concerned about potentially supporting a child that isn’t theirs aren’t going to be quite as enthusiastic about a system that also ensures that they do support children that are theirs… There is probably very little overlap between guys who impregnate random women and guys who are worried about getting cucked by their girlfriends.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 07:48 AM
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Well it's more likely than the boyfriend guy getting one. Even a few of the women here who've had them casually have said they don't think it'd be appropriate in their relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 05:31 AM
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Dating apps exploded in popularity over the past 10-15 years, increasing the amount of competition each individual man has to face. Back in the day you just needed to be the best guy in the room, which wasn't too difficult if you put your mind to it. But now you're up against guys all across the city. It raises the bar in a lot of ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 03:42 AM
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Due to technological advances many men don't have to actually leave the house for anything they're personally interested in. They're going out either because they're obligated to (work, shopping, etc.) or for social reasons. So for some guys the motivation will always be artificial/based on gaining others' approval, because the "genuine" type of motivation outright doesn't exist for them. Not everyone is ambitious. And nowadays finding women can take a disproportionate amount of effort, further …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 03:06 AM
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The manosphere showed up after the dating success rates already started to decline. There's no reason such a tiny community would be able to reverse society-wide statistical trends.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 12:19 AM
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Many of us treat the women we date the same, and would just not approach a 170 lbs woman to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 12:11 AM
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The chart is literally about physical attraction. Obviously people don't look as good as they age. Nobody claims otherwise. If 30 really was the peak for mens SMV/RMV then wouldn't that mean the peak females (21) would be going after 30 year old men making the average age gap more around 9 years?? It's about each individual man. Based on who he is, his peak SMV will come at different periods of life. If a guy's best trait is his looks, then his peak SMV will be in his 20s. But if the guy always …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 11:33 PM
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Men, if you want to marry a virgin / younger woman, figure that out early and pursue that while you yourself are still relatively young. Many of the men had no choice. They were not attractive enough in their 20s to marry then. They are using the money and status they earned through their 20s to try to find suitable wives. If I could've I would've found a future wife as early as high school. But it just wasn't under my control. You're assuming every guy was just a player in their 20s and willing…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 03:20 AM
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If the struggle is insurmountable, then the lottery is better. The ugly woman through random chance eventually finds a stable relationship. The short autistic guy literally gets nothing, ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 02:58 AM
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But a lot of this, and I'm guessing here, comes down to the fact that guys who got no play sort of don't believe they can change that or that it's fair for them to have to change that. So if they can't or shouldn't change, then neither can anyone else, especially not the objects of their affections. The only reason anyone would change, is malevolence, it cannot be a turn towards the good. It must be that they're manipulative, because all change of character has to be some Oceans 11 job to hurt m…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 09:20 PM
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No. I prefer partners who've viewed intimacy as something special. People with wild dating pasts can marry each other instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 08:08 PM
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Red Pill Version: Learning game can increase your chances with women. Blue Pill Version: Learning social skills can increase your chances with women. This one is too vague. Plenty of guys with tons of friends still have zero success with dating. You need an additional, specific set of social skills for getting with women. Red pill refers to it as game, social media refers to it as rizz, boomers refer to it as seduction, but whatever it is it is not merely general social skills. The blue pill str…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 05:56 PM
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Even if the most blue pill subreddits on here (ask women, dating advice etc) the advice they give is “don’t be a fat slob who lives in his mum’s basement”. That's the point, it's condescending and unproductive. Blue pill pretends that simply being around people will eventually make you sexually successful. But some men just aren't naturals and need additional advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 10:59 AM
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At first glance, but passport bros aren't complaining about foreign women wanting money, demanding the taxpayer subsidize their costs of travel, or trying to return to the West to settle down after sleeping around in the 3rd world. They keep to themselves, take responsibility for their choices, and follow through with them. Many promiscuous women and single mothers don't do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 10:51 AM
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Women find age gap relationships creepy because there is an obvious power dynamic disparity, along with vast differences in life experiences. Women aren't very consistent about this, when an inexperienced guy doesn't want to date an experienced women he's often called insecure, even though the difference in life experience would make him vulnerable to exploitation too.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 05:53 AM
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You're not Andrew Tate, you're not Leonardo Dicaprio and women would argue, even they don't deserve a virgin or 18 year olds. Also women call them creepy, 30+ year olds wanting virgins or 18 year olds. It doesn't matter what women say, only what they do, and clearly those guys can pull 18 year olds. If whining changed mate selection then internet dwellers could get women to stop sleeping with Chads.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/23 05:49 AM
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RP tradcons believe that access to abortion contributes to women's ability to have no-strings-attached sex with top tier men. They view this ability as the root cause of the imbalances of the modern dating environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 08:57 PM
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Take it up with OP for starting it by complaining about the men here but saying nothing about the women. Women here constantly twist logical arguments backed by statistics into being driven by misogyny, insecurity, and/or creep tendencies.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 05:27 PM
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But female virgins are valued as well, and they're literally not having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 11:57 PM
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I don't get why people try to make it a "you want oppressed women" thing. What if a guy just wants to actually get matches on dating apps? Some guys have reported getting 0 in America but at least a dozen after passporting. Is it a sin to want women to message you? lol
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 10:20 PM
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What's with all these bizarre "men just want a maid!" responses when a significant portion of relationships don't involve cohabitation to begin with? Obviously you shouldn't be doing laundry for someone you don't live with. We're not talking about fucking marriages here.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 09:03 PM
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Because they want to get jobs done instead of having to bitch about "nobody wanting to work anymore"? These people are the ones who don't want to hire anyone, and on top of it they project their delusions onto others.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/23 12:13 AM
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TRP's focus is on getting women, it's not concerned with whether or not there's manipulation. There's not going to be any moral cleanup in TRP. Traditional courtship encouraged morals, but the cutthroat modern dating environment doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 07:40 AM
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Seriously. I'm fine with people being shallow. I'm not fine with all the baseless character assasination of lonely guys, who are struggling enough already. Women should own their standards and not blame/generalize others over them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 06:37 AM
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And tbh half of these young women that are doing the rejecting so bluntly arent all that..... That's what I've seen, they're vicious about rejection in order to protect their ego. If unimpressive guys approach her then it reinforces how mediocre she looks. The guy just thinking he has a chance offends her.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 06:34 AM
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A lot of men here seem to think that relationships are only worth it if a woman have sex with you. I'm actually fine with a sexless relationship with a virgin. But if she fucked other guys I kinda expect the same if I'm the one offering her commitment. We don't need to be dating if she doesn't find me as attractive as her previous guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 05:18 AM
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Hookup culture is great for men. Only a subset of men can actually hookup. The men who don't, and are looking for serious relationships instead, have less women to choose from now since many women are in the casual scene instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 01:53 AM
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If “having families” is the piece that’s missing, why are so many men looking for casual sex instead of only pursuing serious relationships and marriage? Because family and marriage don't seem to be what women want in their primes (early 20s) anymore. Men go for the most desirable women and emulate the most desirable men. Nobody wants to work their butt off for second place.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 10:38 PM
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If only 9% of women have casual sex then it should be easy to avoid the women who've done so, but that's not quite the experience some of us have had. It's easy to accept not having access to hookups when it's "out of sight, out of mind" but not when a bunch of women who've done it now want to settle down with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 01:05 AM
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Men claim that it’s very difficult for them to get sex and that the competition is fierce on dating apps. Assuming that both those things are true, why don’t men just comprise their standards and/or participate in open relationships? You just said it yourself. Because dating can be difficult for men, a guy in an open relationship might find himself in a position where he's not sleeping with any other women, but his girlfriend is banging new Chads every week. There isn't necessarily any benefit f…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 12:33 AM
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At the end of the day they fall back on, "but most people have been in a relationship/had sex!" even though that says nothing about how rare or difficult it is for certain people to actually achieve those things. Imagine being disadvantaged in gender, neurotypicality, face, "shade", and height all at the same time. That is a ton of immutable penalties to overcome, and it's not surprising if some guys can't or need extreme measures like TRP or passporting to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 11:00 PM
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We are usually social enough on our own to have tons of love and emotional support from our friends and family. We don’t need partners for that. It's because you're women. A guy could be as social as Oprah but it's not gonna make people care more about men. You will still have to work to support yourselves. You aren’t all going to just disappear and we aren’t going to feed and house the 80% of men who would be useless as breeders. Living in the hood most guys I know aren't living on through an h…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 07:51 AM
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Then it would be higher than the average 20s woman. Attractiveness is always in demand, more men care about it than factors like age and N count.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 11:18 PM
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I have never seen a fit woman dating a non-fit guy lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 10:54 PM
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To an unattractive man, his unattractiveness is always a debate. It’s less to do with his ability to gain women’s attention, and more to do with women’s standards of attractiveness. Because the attention comes in different forms depending on your physical attractiveness, and some attention is quite frankly more flattering than others. A woman wanting to bang immediately based off of pics on an app > a woman learning she likes your personality after being wined and dined for weeks. Because he can…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 10:13 PM
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Weight loss and cosmetics can make almost any woman "attractive enough" for a decent dating life. It's hard work to maintain and thus some women opt not to follow the path, but it's there and the benefits are nigh guaranteed. The path to a decent experience for a man who starts with nothing can range from extremely difficult to non-existent.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 09:50 PM
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Not very much. And as a dude you don't get off easy for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 07:56 PM
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The worst thing though is that men have also bought into the idea although it doesn't benefit them one little bit. They actually have to work harder, wait longer and spend more money to get sex than if they were to ignore the Pussy Cartel. We're seeing now that some men have to do that either way, only now they don't get a chaste virgin in their early 20s for it. Guys in this position would beg to slave away for the old Pussy Cartel.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 06:34 PM
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2/Belief that it will increase their chance … they cant compete in the fun field of dating so they try to make it more about "commitment" So then it's not always counterproductive. As for guys like your friend, who do hookups themselves but still slut shame, perhaps holding misogynistic views towards women helps these guys with being confident and taking initiative without reservation. So the benefit may outweigh the cost for them, too. At the end of the day, slut shaming is at a historical low,…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 06:17 PM
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There have been plenty of cases where there was no drama in the relationship but the guy was just mad about what he found out about her past. There doesn't have to be cheating, just him learning that his impression of her was wrong, or that she took things slower with him than with others, or that she did kinky stuff before that he hasn't gotten to do with her could be enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 06:01 PM
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But then the term mentioned, "date in your own league" is still completely useless, since you don't know what you "can get" until you actually try to get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 05:44 PM
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It's entirely possible for a guy to be too socially awkward to get even a 1/10. Even those women have access to dudes with at least basic social function, so the guys who can't pull it off fall behind.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 04:46 PM
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If a woman is seen as "for recreational use only" then it's probably because she's believed to have had a wild past. And no guys don't like being the one expected to wait if previous guys didn't have to. It's taken as a signal that he's less sexually attractive to her than those other guys were.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 04:52 AM
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If a woman's SMV decreases with every man she sleeps with, the same applies to men. It has nothing to do with either's sexual market value. Obviously someone with a high N count is sexually valued, otherwise they wouldn't be high N. It only potentially reduces their relationship market value. But men gain preselection to offset any negative impression of their promiscuity. Women have less room to hold a high N against men when they also don't like low N men. A virginal woman is seen as a lady wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 04:36 AM
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There are two perspectives, statistical and relative. In the former case, one might simply say a low N is below the average number reported in studies, while a high N is above the average. While the latter case is more subjective, and dependent on the man's own a count; a guy with a high count may consider under 10 to be low, while a guy with a low count may consider anything higher than his to be too high. Some studies place 5 above the average for women, and I'd imagine most guys who care abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 01:59 AM
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Lower than the average woman in her 20s. Many men dating women in their 30s want kids. But a decent woman will always have some options. Have an N count of under 6 Realistically "under 6" isn't all that low to most of the guys who care about N counts. But many don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/23 12:21 AM
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Basically, men only want the top 1.7% of all women If we're not married, with child, obese, or overweight ourselves, one can't exactly say it's unfair for us to desire similar women. As for age, the problem is the older a woman is, the more likely she is to have those other traits. So even if we're not applying strict age filters, we're still stuck with indirect ones if we exclude wives/parents/heavyweights.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 06:01 AM
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The whole point of the red pill, Tate, etc. is telling men how to change into someone who's more sexually desirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 03:29 AM
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No periods. Quicker bathroom use. Various media is more targeted towards my gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 11:14 PM
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As a guy it can be depressing when you're talking to a shy quiet woman and find out she still has a high N. Because lord knows dudes with similar personalities aren't getting any action at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/03/23 08:52 PM
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