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DISCUSSIONRiskiest-Elk/r/RedPillWomen06/10/23 03:23 PM
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Imo, best case is to be alpha and slowly churn out some beta qualities from time to time to get the woman (I.e. periodically giving her more time and attention, somewhat lovey-dovey here and there, etc.). It gives her a sense of progress that you are attainable, but not to the point where she feels like she has you. In other words, it’s doing intermittent reinforcement to keep her from giving up or feeling unloved. So ya, I don’t think they’re completely at odds. It’s moreso about the proportion…
/r/TheRedPill04/08/24 10:07 PM
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That’s the problem. The hottest women are getting hit up by the J Cole’s of the world. So unless you can provide some niche lifestyle aspect that the women aren’t getting elsewhere, it’s simply a matter of just straight up being outcompeted by men with more status. As far as appearance goes though, if you’re hot enough, you can get away with just hooking up with the hotter women. But again, if they truly are in the 8-10 range, unless they are a hoe, they will be demanding way more
/r/TheRedPill07/05/24 03:26 PM
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Your SMV isn’t high enough if they are ghosting you. Either that or you are doin some weird shit when kissing/making out with them. Cuz if the chicks you’re dealing with are entertaining sugar daddies and going to yacht parties all the time, then they are either looking for a casual hookup or for another chump to fund their lifestyle. Gotta fulfill either of those two needs, so I’d self reflect about what you’re able to provide on those two fronts
/r/TheRedPill07/05/24 03:17 PM
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Depends on who you listen to. Plenty of channels I’ve seen where they promote vetting for good women
/r/TheRedPill22/12/23 11:49 PM
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What you say is true. However, the red pill lessons are meant for men to be aware of modern female behavior. The whole reason any RP stuff is applicable as much as it is today is because western women are no longer traditional. It may come down to personal beliefs, but I believe that the RP does not endorse exploiting good women. That is more of a reflection of the man in question.
/r/TheRedPill22/12/23 10:21 PM
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The degeneracy is a result of western civilization prioritizing capital gains over anything else. Whatever sells is what is pushed. People are largely sheep when it comes to the ideology that a given government endorses. Capitalism is the new dominant dogma, and the idols it shills are what people emulate. Judeo-Christian ethics used to be the dominant social force, but this is no longer the case. While the traditional values align with what allow families and couples to prosper, the religious m…
/r/TheRedPill22/12/23 05:41 PM
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Doesn’t matter if it’s not needed. It’s biologically hardwired. That’s why women like tall, strong men
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 03:04 AM
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You are looking for a woman then. Men are built to protect and provide. If you deny him that, how could he ever be a man
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 01:38 AM
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A blue collar guy isn’t necessarily a moocher… you are demonstrating that you have a lifestyle cost that demands a certain caliber of earnings. You are choosing to prioritize that over other qualities. And that’s fine, but that’s not what your post communicates. A blue collar man could support a family, but it doesn’t sound like you are willing to sacrifice lifestyle for a man who makes a decent living.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 01:26 AM
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Cuz that makes a lot of sense lol. Seems to me like you’ve only been dealing with unassertive betas
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 01:01 AM
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OP has such blatant disrespect for the average man. Society has grown so soft and cushy for women that they don’t appreciate blue collar everyday guys. I pray for the soul who shacks up with you lol. Also if you are going out with guys that demand 50/50 that says more about the quality of guys that you can attract than it says about men in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 12:53 AM
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So much cope. They don’t mention it because you won’t let them hit if they piss you off by mentioning that they care. It’s hardwired into men to care. The minority of men who truly don’t care are also likely the same men who would let a guy slap your ass and not do anything about it. It means their territorial/protective instinct is weak.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 12:39 AM
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Close but not quite. Non promiscuous women are already in relationships. So the only women willing to screw around without being in a relationship are by definition promiscuous. The other stuff you said can apply, but isn’t quite accurate as the sole argument
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 12:33 AM
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Guy’s taking an L. Isn’t getting his nut AND the girl he’s seeing is seeing multiple guys. What has happened to the state of men…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 12:31 AM
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I appreciate your candidness and honesty. Do you think you would s**t test him more because you see marrying him as him relaxing his frame? If that is the case, isn’t another way of saying it, that he acquiesced to your desire to get married, at the expense of his own desire not to, and thus lost some frame? This is the conundrum that I notice. Typically, the woman wants the man to commit fully, but the moment he does, she loses respect for him to a degree and feels the need to test his masculin…
/r/RedPillWomen10/10/23 04:03 AM
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I don’t disagree with your sentiments. In fact I want there to be more to us as well. However, if we are honest with ourselves, men go after the hot woman with a low body count, and women go after the hot tall guy with money. People do not sacrifice their needs and carnal desires as you are suggesting. Just as men will not want to be with the obese ugly woman who happens to be a kind, great, spiritual person, women do not want to be with a short, broke, and ugly man who happens to be very kind a…
/r/RedPillWomen09/10/23 05:25 AM
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It’s ridiculously hard. But you are gambling your mental well being, your wallet, and your legacy by giving promiscuous women a chance. Best is to either go for traditionally minded younger women, or move overseas to a more traditional country. Everywhere else, the f-empowerment narrative literally encourages women to sleep around. You can try through mutual friends, but you’ve gotta be able to vet hard to make sure she’s not too ran through
/r/TheRedPill07/10/23 05:01 PM
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First mistake was looking for a relationship from bumble. Dating apps are generally not the best place to meet pure women without baggage. I’d suggest meeting people through mutual friends and work if you can. That way they are less likely to ghost you as well as you having more pre selection. As to why she ghosted you, could’ve been another dude, maybe she has trauma and runs from intimacy, changed her mind, etc. Most of these behaviors stem from promiscuity so if you keep sourcing from places …
/r/TheRedPill07/10/23 04:15 PM
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Well your last sentence is essentially my premise, and I think it’s probably true. The brutal reality is that men who can’t get loads of women have to get married because they don’t have the abilities to achieve anything more, otherwise they would. After all, women only look at the winners, and there are only so many winners. So the other guys, if they want to reproduce, are forced to meet more of the women’s behavioral demands compared to “Chad.”
/r/RedPillWomen07/10/23 07:26 AM
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I appreciate your response. This may be a matter of belief, but I think you’re emphasis on most people’s ability to control their impulses to be foolish. Men and women serve one master. Their biology. It’s inescapable. The reason why women are more cautious and weigh out costs and benefits is because of their biology, not because of some god ordained well of knowledge. Women have more to lose in sex, from pregnancy, thus they are more thoughtful when choosing a partner. Men do not have the same …
/r/RedPillWomen07/10/23 07:21 AM
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I do not entertain such ignorant and intolerant comments such as these. Best of luck to you
/r/RedPillWomen06/10/23 11:46 PM
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Interesting. Thanks for your honesty. The issue is though, that high SMV men typically don’t dish out lids of attention like that, even if the woman is beautiful. Do you ever worry though that with this strategy, you are essentially screening for more simp type men who dole out loads of attention?
/r/RedPillWomen06/10/23 10:19 PM
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I appreciate your openness. If I may ask, does knowing that a man would fall hard for you make you less attracted to him? Or is it more attractive to have a feeling of earning his love?
/r/RedPillWomen06/10/23 10:02 PM
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That wives tend to test their husbands more compared to when they are just dating. And women tend to test their man more when they are unsure of his frame and masculinity. So that’s why I thought of the idea, is giving into the woman’s mating strategy while forgoing his own, an act that turns his woman off?
/r/RedPillWomen06/10/23 09:45 PM
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I’ll give you that. When making the post I was catering to the monogamous marriage concept. To be honest. I think the way it is in Islam with multiple wives, is more in line with a man’s true instinctual mating desire. Hence why I’ve repeatedly said in other comments: men ultimately would like to practice polygyny while women ultimately want to practice monogamy
/r/RedPillWomen06/10/23 09:41 PM
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Forming bonds with multiple women is not damaging to men. It’s the breaking of those bonds that cause issues to mental health. This is why men can fall in love with multiple women. Women don’t do this. They consolidate on one man at a time. And your earlier comment disputing men seeking sexual variety is simply wrong. This is quite literally one of the first aspects learned in the red pill space. This is why men watch porn and commit affairs as well. It’s well documented. You are also incorrect …
/r/RedPillWomen06/10/23 09:34 PM
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It’s not flawed outright. The premise is that conceding to a woman’s wishes at the expense of the man’s is inherently unattractive to women, which I would argue marriage is frequently. And your point about men wanting to sleep with any woman is misinformed. A man’s goal, or his ideal, is to sleep with quality (hot) women. It’s just that because it’s difficult to do that, men usually just take whatever they can get. But if a man had unlimited access, he’s choosing the supermodel nearly every sing…
/r/RedPillWomen06/10/23 09:27 PM
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I guess the whole argument comes down to whether we are mostly controlled by our hindbrain vs forebrain. Personally I think that people tend to be governed by the lizard side more than we all care to admit, myself included. In an increasingly secular society, I see it only getting more hindbrain governed.
/r/RedPillWomen06/10/23 07:35 PM
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It was created by the powers in place to grow society in terms of number of people and stability. It serves both men and women. Men get the sex. Women get the security.
/r/RedPillWomen06/10/23 07:28 PM
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Men’s dual mating strategy isn’t as evenly split 50-50 as women’s. Probably to men’s’ detriment, I guess, but looks, youth, and purity are pretty much the only things men look for sexually. Things like intelligence or other factors that could increase the social standing of offspring just simply doesn’t factor in as much. Hence, Instagram models and the like receiving so much male attention. All in terms of mating of course. When it comes to marriage, trad wife all the way obviously.
/r/RedPillWomen06/10/23 07:25 PM
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I agree with you. Polygyny en masse is not suitable for societies of the size that we see today. That’s why monogamy has been socially enforced in the modern era. As we are currently seeing, a more polygynous behavioral society creates declining marriage and birth rates. In order to exist in the modern era and not have society crumble, only a small number of men are able to practice polygyny.
/r/RedPillWomen06/10/23 07:19 PM
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I appreciate your reply, however, you are incorrect on some of your points. Women are suffering from depression and take anti-depressants more than men. Marriage hurts men in the event of a fallout, which happens half the time with women initiating the divorce the vast majority of the time. So it’s not a benefit, it’s actually very much a risk for a man. And unfortunately for women, while the average man is not the prize, the men that most women do want, IS in fact the prize, due to their being …
/r/RedPillWomen06/10/23 07:17 PM
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I don’t disagree with the desire to pair bond being present in both men and women, however I would argue it seems to be to a higher degree in women. Anecdotal evidence is men being able to engage sexually no strings attached moreso than women and things like that. But even on a hormonal level, men don’t release as much oxytocin as women when mating. Something could be said though about the other hormones like vasopressin that create territorial behaviors. So I can get behind the purpose of all t…
/r/RedPillWomen06/10/23 07:00 PM
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I agree with all your points here. Interesting how we all do these risk analyses in our heads haha
/r/RedPillWomen06/10/23 06:51 PM
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Do you think then, if the man has the means of achieving either, a man would more likely pursue some form of a harem over choosing a single female to devote everything to? If not, why do you think early humans, and other primates, form harem mating structures?
/r/RedPillWomen06/10/23 06:35 PM
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Society enforces monogamy because it provides stability and allows communities to procreate en masse. Forming and BREAKING pair bonds is what harms men and women. Men and women are born at equal rates, however, only a handful of men have reproduced to throughout human history. Around 40% if I’m not mistaken, so that means that natural harems have already been the norm to some degree in early human history. Enforced monogamy on large societal scales is a modern concept.
/r/RedPillWomen06/10/23 06:28 PM
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I don’t disagree with your logic. However, I believe that the need to reproduce with multiple women is simply more powerful than the need to have his attention consolidated on a single woman. Hence in nature, mammals, especially primates, tend to have harems.
/r/RedPillWomen06/10/23 06:17 PM
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It’s not necessarily what I want. I just wanted to see the female red pill point of view to this question.
/r/RedPillWomen06/10/23 06:15 PM
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While it is true that humans pair bond, women release more oxytocin compared to men when mating. By a factor of 3x from what I recall. Men release more vasopressin when mating which causes territorial and mate guarding behaviors. Hence why I said in one these comment threads: men seek polygyny, women seek monogamy.
/r/RedPillWomen06/10/23 06:14 PM
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I think saying we are well beyond the scope of animalistic impulses is a false premise. We are very much still animals, governed by those mating instincts in nearly all of our daily behaviors
/r/RedPillWomen06/10/23 06:11 PM
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I like everything you said here and agree. The only point that I would like to challenge is the very last one. If a man had the ability (skill, looks, financial status) to have multiple families and have the women be committed and loyal to him, don’t you think that he would do it? In other words, do you think the average guy’s lack of superior abilities the reason why he must choose the traditional marriage route? I’d say yes, because married men still think about sexual variety even when marrie…
/r/RedPillWomen06/10/23 06:07 PM
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What would the woman say if the man said “I want to be able to sleep with other women and field options, but you as my woman must remain loyal and exclusive to me?”
/r/RedPillWomen06/10/23 06:00 PM
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The women are all around us that the upper tiers of men are sleeping with. I agree with you about men wanting the support of his woman. However, where I would challenge is I would argue a man wouldn’t be opposed to having the full support of MULTIPLE women, aka a harem
/r/RedPillWomen06/10/23 05:58 PM
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This is the ideal trade yes. But in the current world, men can get the intimacy from women outside of marriage. Unfortunately for women, marriage and exclusivity is the very thing that they value as security. The current sexual behaviors destroy what marriage initially was made to offer
/r/RedPillWomen06/10/23 05:56 PM
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It’s emasculating in the sense that the man sacrifices his biological mating goals in favor of the woman’s mating structure. He gives up the ability to field options.
/r/RedPillWomen06/10/23 05:36 PM
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Because they love them and they want to keep having a consistent amount of sex and intimacy
/r/RedPillWomen06/10/23 05:25 PM
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Well it used to be that the average man got sex out of marriage. And it used to be that women got commitment and security from it. So it benefited both to be married. But nowadays with women giving sex out without demanding commitment and male simps giving women security and attention without demanding sex, the whole marriage contract has been rendered ineffective.
/r/RedPillWomen06/10/23 04:58 PM
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I like your answer, and I agree with your points here. You are right in that only a small group of top tier men even have the chance to try to fulfill their true mating goal
/r/RedPillWomen06/10/23 04:53 PM
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These are not necessarily my personal views. Simply a question I am proposing based off observation.
/r/RedPillWomen06/10/23 04:49 PM
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I agree with your points here. I am curious why women without father figures prefer the more baseline levels of masculinity
/r/RedPillWomen06/10/23 04:48 PM
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Harems are certainly achievable and still exist in many countries. They may not be common in the United States, but they exist elsewhere. For example, I’m sure you’re aware that in Islam there is the ability have multiple wives if, of course, the man can financially handle the extra responsibility. Outside of the religion, there are men that do it. It’s just not a nationalized institution. It requires a top tier caliber man and the financial means to acquire and keep multiple women loyal
/r/RedPillWomen06/10/23 04:45 PM
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Interesting points. What if I told you, the vast majority of men get married because he believes it will make his partner happy, or that he’s doing it because “it’s what people do”. If you disagree, then I’d like to ask you: what do you think is the main reason most men get married?
/r/RedPillWomen06/10/23 04:42 PM
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I like your argument. My question to your points is now: What does a man gain from marriage that benefits him that he can’t get without marriage?
/r/RedPillWomen06/10/23 04:39 PM
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Oh damn lol. Thanks for linking this. Also another interesting tid bit for you: when a man is around babies, it causes a decline in testosterone. Interesting to think about. In gorillas, the alpha male doesn’t interact with the children much
/r/RedPillWomen06/10/23 04:36 PM
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Having a harem is a man’s dream. I don’t think most women fantasize about having harems
/r/RedPillWomen06/10/23 04:32 PM
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I agree. Men crave polygyny. Women crave monogamy. I think monogamy was woven into the social fabric due to its stabilizing effect on society, not necessarily on its accurate reflection of human sexuality.
/r/RedPillWomen06/10/23 04:28 PM
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Interesting. I wish statistics reflected what you state more. Then what of pre selection? And what of women preferring men who know what they’re doing in the bedroom, aka requiring experience? Why are harems the natural state of most primates? And regarding controlling desires and being monogamous. That is akin to saying a woman should control their desires and not choose to be with financially stable, tall, strong, confident men.
/r/RedPillWomen06/10/23 04:25 PM
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Divorces happen frequently when a man gets laid off or doesn’t progress financially. So ya, a lot of the time, the woman does at least entertain the thought of being with the higher earning man if not straight up acting on it. But again, in reference to the original question, if women are turned off by men giving in to them “betatization through a thousand concessions” type of thing, doesn’t committing to one woman mean the man is submitting to the woman’s program? At least from a mating strateg…
/r/RedPillWomen06/10/23 04:17 PM
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Their main mating goal I mean. It’s intrinsic and biological, regardless on whether the guy acts on it or not. Obviously if that’s the guy’s main life goal, that’s not very productive.
/r/RedPillWomen06/10/23 04:13 PM
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And it’s because of the inherent mating strategies that cause this discrepancy. Again though, I ask, isn’t it an unattractive act for the man to submit to the woman’s will with marriage? For instance, most women I’d say often say that they wished their man would open up more emotionally or show a bit more of that side of himself, but on it actualizing, it is an unattractive act from the man.
/r/RedPillWomen06/10/23 03:44 PM
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Not saying that is what I personally want. Just proposing the question. And escorts are a no no since there’s no earning it or genuine desire present from the escort.
/r/RedPillWomen06/10/23 03:40 PM
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