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I’m pretty reasonable and centrist when it comes to these matters, but this is one of those rare times that I already know the truth deep in my bones and will laugh at women who claim otherwise. No, there is no such thing as “waiting for an emotional connection” — or, if it gets made, it’ll be quickly and we all know the reason why.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/21 10:02 PM
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Well, “fast” for me is still like a week or two. My current gf I knew for three months before we started dating in earnest. I never did one-nighters myself but I could totally understand why people would. That’s not a mystery to me. You see what you want and you go for it: simple. I do want at least a little time to assess her personality, although that’s more about logistics than building attraction because I wouldn’t even be talking to her if I didn’t already have that. That’s the key differen…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/21 04:53 PM
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I gotta admit, it’s not a subject I have enough experience with hence my curiosity. I can accept it without fully understanding it lol. At least it sounds like you’ve reasonable about it. In my own life sexual chemistry has been pretty quick. It feels like a gut reaction on both sides that doesn’t need to be negotiated. The way you describe it to me would feel like you’re playing chess and having sex was a strategic decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/21 01:16 PM
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To be clear I’m not calling you personally disingenuous, just that it’s how I’d feel about it. Yeah, that's 99% of men...again, despite the fact I made sure to show I cared and was interested in making them feel appreciated by buying them small gifts and paying for our dates. At the risk of sounding like Captain Obvious: those things are platonic. A relationship isn’t sexual until sex is had. You could pay for outings and small gifts for female friends, too. Until we’ve actually been in bed toge…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/21 02:33 AM
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But actually desiring sex with them, even if they're exactly my type, takes much longer. At what point in the relationship would you say you cross the event horizon? What triggers that desire in you? I’m just befuddled by this mode of thinking where I’d want to have sex with a woman but not want to act on it for months. To me it comes off as disingenuous and I’d have left for fear that I was being jerked around.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/21 12:57 AM
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It sounds like you’re mad that women date who they want while men date who they can. You’re mad that women have high expectations and get their pick of the litter Is that something men should be happy about?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/21 12:03 AM
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Of course introverts could still be skilled socially — but it’s not unreasonable to think that someone who is quite literally emotionally drained by heavy interaction is more likely to avoid those situations and thus be worse at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/21 05:21 PM
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It’s a 2 day old account. This is what we refer to as Eternal September.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/21 05:14 PM
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I need an occasional reminder that some couples can know each other for months or years before having sex. It’s not something I personally see happening very much these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/21 11:46 PM
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By choice, in other words.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 07:40 AM
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The first one is definitely true. The second one is greatly overestimating what “shifts after 30 to men’s favor” means. Being slightly less lopsided doesn’t make it in men’s favor by any means.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/21 03:55 PM
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Appearances in real life, and especially in social media, can be deceiving. A lot of what gets discussed here are issues that tend to corrupt relationships, particularly from the male perspective, in the long term and might not be visible yet. The behaviors discussed here are often expressed unconsciously. Just because a woman thinks she’s happy with her ugly bloke bf doesn’t mean she isn’t doing intense calculus internally. You’re looking at young people with different lifestyles and sensibilit…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 10:10 PM
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Oh, dear. I think he did. How embarrassing.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 07:12 AM
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Besides, look at it this way: if a woman does submit to being in an intimately vulnerable position with you, that fucking means something. No, it’s pretty frivolous in the grand scheme. There’s way too much casual sex happening in the world for me to take this seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/21 07:00 AM
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This post is so fucking stupid and divorced from reality. The better question is: why are you trying to push this narrative?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 03:09 AM
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Amber Heard as a Human Rights champion What the actual fuck
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 04:18 PM
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Until I met my current gf, this was basically it for me, too. Women were a prop so I could pass as normal when in reality I was happy alone and had absolutely no urge to play the game. Now I’m with her, and it’s only her in particular who matters to me way more than “women” in the abstract.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/21 05:44 PM
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At this point we’re just namedropping famous bald guys. That doesn’t mean anything. And they’d certainly be better looking with full heads of hair.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 01:25 AM
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I’m not judging them the way a woman would, but, yes? Certainly they’re not as attractive as they would be with hair, and in the Rock’s case, I grew up at a time when he still had it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/21 01:21 AM
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I mean, it’s still ugly whether it’s the guy’s fault or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 10:27 PM
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Adding to this very accurate list: they still need to possess the same skills that would get them to girlfriendville even if they were able to get dates consistently. They think it’s a replacement for all forms of socializing in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 04:09 PM
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I know one girl that left her second string priest boyfriend for one of our raid tanks. This is like high school if the nerds were popular. Chad Tank vs Virgin Priest lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 04:38 AM
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This is low key one of the most black pilled posts I’ve ever read here, and I’ve been reading this sub for 5 years. The situation described so well and so dispassionately.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 03:59 AM
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I think this was posted here two weeks ago. It was getting ripped apart on r/science, a notoriously blue-pilled default sub, over its ambiguous use of “friends” and because a lot of the participants were psychology students.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 03:26 PM
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Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 01:05 PM
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He’s way worse off dating on a wing and a prayer when he could’ve just conformed a very reasonable amount and ended up with a lot more good experiences with women during that time. There’s a reason men are taught game. Being accepted for your wacky idiosyncrasies is a woman’s game.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 09:53 PM
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Totally decadent, I agree, but I wanna play devil’s advocate. To me, sex is a requirement for true love. You could like, lust, and be infatuated with someone, but it’s based off incomplete information. You don’t know an entire other half of that person. Then what happens if you finally do sleep together and you’re incompatible for a myriad of reasons? All that love meant nothing and it just evaporates because it wasn’t grounded in reality, which sex is a part of.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 06:21 PM
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I think that it's problematic that people are taking their clothes off and having sex before they really know if they're in love with each other. I’m not doubting your sincerity or anything, it’s just that love preceding sex is such a foreign concept to someone like me having come up in this culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 05:12 PM
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Yes, but it’s not a hard requirement for men nor does it lead to existential crises.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 04:05 PM
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Even on bumble all they do is send a 👋
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 04:01 PM
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Lol. Where “almost evenly” means “not at all.”
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 03:57 PM
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I have absolutely no proof of that and don’t care enough about it to go looking, but I’d bet that people typically have more friends of their own sex. Another common topic here is “can men and women really be friends,” after all. I was speaking historically, when divisions of labor were much more pronounced. Maybe it’s not so much in the modern day, but still, I took “women are the socially stronger sex” to mean that they have always have been.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/21 01:06 PM
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I don’t doubt that this happens a lot. But “be her friend for two years and maybe you’ll get lucky” isn’t exactly a marketable strategy, least of all among a crowd of guys who can barely hold together their male friendships.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/21 04:52 AM
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Maybe I’m nitpicking here, but I think this is circular logic. Women are stronger socially because they have larger social circles, which are composed mostly of other women, who have strong circles, which are composed mostly of women, etc. I don’t measure strength in that way: I measure it as the potential to impose one’s will on the world. If we’re to argue that women have been held back historically, which this sub has been saying a lot in the past few days, then we have to acknowledge that in…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/21 02:32 AM
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This is a subtle rhetorical trick. The good looking guy whose personality ruined his attraction still at least had attraction to lose. Looks will always win out in the end.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 04:27 AM
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Even if no one told you outright, I’m willing to bet that it naturally worked out that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/21 04:44 PM
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Just say yes, the taller men are at a huge advantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/21 05:30 PM
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Probably, but it’s not guys who are putting up a front to appear busy all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/21 11:09 PM
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No you didn’t. They were recommended by the algorithm. It’s literally no investment beyond opening the app. This is puritanical to a neurotic degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 02:54 AM
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The second one is delusional nonsense
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/21 08:32 PM
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“It’s good that men suffer for the greater good of society” ranks up there with the hottest takes I’ve ever read on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 10:13 PM
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Lol if you’re broke, then the men at your level are deep in debt. You have plenty of valid complaints to make about the female condition, but this isn’t one of them. Let it go and appreciate the power you wield in this one domain.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 05:08 PM
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The first time was over four years ago. I couldn’t tell you what we did specifically on that day. But it’s not really one big debate so much as just a series of conversations we’ve had over the years which has changed her views a bit. We debate about lots of things, it’s partly why I love her so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 04:46 PM
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Plenty. The perks of being with a high libido woman. 😊
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 02:45 PM
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Replying under automod because my experience is the opposite of what OP is asking for. One of the first things me and my LTR girlfriend argued about was whether she or I had an easier time dating (we’re both weirdos I guess). We both took the typical PPD positions on which sex has it harder and I started lurking here specifically to hear opposing views from women. I really wanted to understand the female perspective. After more than four years of personal life experience and countless testimonia…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/21 01:46 PM
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True, but some flavors of sauce unlock way more gates than others.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/21 01:29 PM
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Just curious, how long did it build up for and what was the breaking point?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 01:59 PM
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Everyone I know who says don’t shit where you eat has done it multiple times. It’s a double-edged sword because those stressful situations, working closely together, developing a rapport, and fighting against shared adversity, can be a strong catalyst.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/21 01:57 AM
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The post I replied to was describing problems that successful men deal with. The majority of guys (according to the OP) aren’t successful, so they’re not dealing with problems like getting rejected by their tired girlfriends because they don’t have one. My car analogy is of a poor person worrying about problems they will never have with a car they can never afford.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 01:28 AM
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I dunno about all that. The investment you make on looking good isn’t personal to him — you look good for everyone, not just him, and the benefit to yourself goes way beyond that one guy. His investment in you is personal. That meal is yours and he can’t reuse it on anyone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 01:21 AM
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Most guys, IMO, treat their dates like a test where the objective is to answer the questions correctly, not to gauge compatibility. They’re not happy at weeding out someone they didn’t gel with; they’re upset with themselves for giving an incorrect answer and not scoring as a result. It’s a fundamentally different paradigm.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 11:45 PM
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You end up being the "man" of the relationship. You have to take initiative for everything You really think you can predict an entire relationship based on this? After men get past the initial burden of initiation, when it goes well for them, they get sex, family, and support for their whole life. “When it goes well for them” are pretty blatant weasel words. Women get those things too “when it goes well for them,” that’s why people get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 09:51 PM
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Probably being at rock bottom changes their outlook in significant ways compared to merely having a low, but non-zero number. I think half of incels wouldn’t exist if they had fucked even once in their life. At some point they go all in on that identity as a sexless male.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 01:49 PM
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A quick note for the record: I didn’t bring up the food analogy and if it wasn’t clear from my tone, I don’t much care for it. With that out of the way: “steak” in the way that I used it doesn’t only stand for sex, it stands for men, of which sex is one several qualities they could possess. So when I talked about the narrative of no man being good enough and going to look for better steak, that means she’s looking for higher quality by whatever way she measures it. (My life experience tells me t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 01:08 PM
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At this point we’re not talking about porn anymore, but yes, I’m sure most men would prefer not to be with a woman who’s with him out of desperation. Guys want women who want to be with them, obviously, but if you’re a guy no one wants, then the old way at least got you halfway there (at her expense). Those guys think they’d learn to live with it if the alternative was the solitude and social ostracism that they’re living with today. But it’s a moot point. We’re never going back to that era, nor…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 04:08 AM
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It sounds like we agree with the chain of events: guy takes his shots, gets rejected, gives up. Porn might be there for him after the fact, but it wouldn’t alter his behavior even if it wasn’t. This is where we disagree. He’s complacent first, and a consumer of porn second. It’s not a safety net. You paint porn as being a suitable replacement for the real thing (“it’s there so you can stop trying”), which it isn’t. It provides him no comfort. It gives him no status. Hell, it’s barely good enough…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 03:44 AM
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No, because it would be a turnoff for a guy to phrase it that way, but women aren’t blind and dumb. They usually know what’s going on and aren’t always treating these arrangements with so much emotional gravity. Maybe that’s how you personally feel about it, but you’d be an outlier in pretty much every environment I’ve ever been active in. You’re also underestimating the emotional investment the guys are making, as if they’re all just fuck machines who don’t have their own relationship goals. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 02:42 AM
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It isn’t shocking at all. It’s also not shocking that women are, by and large, going along with it, contrary to how you say they truly operate.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 12:48 AM
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So many relationships start that way. They’re not getting tricked and abused every single time — sometimes it works out and sometimes it doesn’t, but the conclusion takes a lot less work for women to reach. The guy in this equation, regardless of his intentions, is investing way more effort into the process and dealing with way more dead ends.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 12:39 AM
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We’re never going to agree on this because the behavior of women I’ve known in my life has not been consistent with the way you’re framing it. It’s not “this food could poison me,” it’s “I deserve a better cut of steak.” And, frankly, they don’t have a hard time finding that cut of steak when they go looking for it which is the point of this post.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 12:19 AM
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They would’ve if they could’ve.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 12:04 AM
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There sure is a lot of misreading and trickery going on in every social circle I’ve ever been a part of.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/21 12:00 AM
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Every time this food analogy comes up, I have to point out how silly and neurotic someone would sound if they said they hate literally every food they ever try. It depends on this narrative of virtually all men being not good enough for her, and that’s just not reasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 11:50 PM
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The sun rises in the east and sets in the west CMV
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 11:42 PM
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I am saying that if one is anxious about approaching women and they have porn they may resort to that instead if overcoming their anxiety to approach. I’m saying no, men aren’t resorting to porn. Virtually all men are porn consumers. The men who do well with women are also watching it, and the anxious men who do poorly would be retreating into their shells whether porn was an option or not. Either way those men would be prisoners of their own life, the difference is that today they have internet…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 10:56 PM
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Either way you’re blaming anxiety on the male side, which to me is unfathomable. I can’t buy into this idea that male nature has flipped so radically in a single generation. It’s like telling me sharks all decided they prefer a diet of algae. I can, however, quite easily buy the idea that women’s roles and expectations have changed severely enough thanks to social advances and technology that they’re rejecting men en masse who would have been considered totally fine matches not too long ago. It’…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 09:46 PM
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Might be a reason for some guys who aren’t in that celibate majority to take a break from dating. The ones who are part of the majority don’t get far enough for those things to even become a concern. It’s like saying I decided not to buy a Bugatti because it’s too much work to find a good mechanic.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 08:42 PM
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Because it’s unequal.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 08:26 PM
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preparing for an evening of anxiety, rejection/humiliation, loss of financial resources from buying drinks/food/venue access, and then facing exhaustion/hangover the next day All those things assume the guy even has a date to prepare for. The cart is being put before the horse.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 08:23 PM
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Notice that in this chain of events, the equating of porn with reality is the very last step. It’s a possible consequence way down the line, it’s not the root cause. A guy who went down this path as you describe didn’t start off by “refusing” to talk to women. It’s way more likely that he wanted nothing more than to do that and he learned the hard way, for whatever reason, that he was not welcome to. That ship has sailed by the time porn is involved.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 08:13 PM
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They want to be accepted by the same demographic of people who reject them, of course they’re gonna be resentful about essentially being sold the drugs they’re addicted to which in their view everyone else gets for free.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 07:42 PM
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They’re in university. They spend at least half their day in class surrounded by women of similar age. This narrative doesn’t work here. Or anywhere else, but especially not here.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 07:39 PM
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And I’m saying men don’t need to have consumed a minute of porn in their life to hold RP beliefs. I’m old enough to have grown up before broadband and so much of their rhetoric was around already even back then. The only difference is guys didn’t get together to talk about it on anonymous, mainstream forums.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 07:28 PM
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I was asked if all women are fucking whenever they want. I said more so than men. Your stats (which I’m taking at your word) aren’t challenging what I said — you’re not showing me that more men than women are fucking whenever they want. Anyway, what I said was in response to an irrelevant question that someone else asked and doesn’t pertain to your OP. Cuck porn. Slutty wife cheats on dumb clueless husband. It’s typically interracial too, but I can’t get into that. This is also a genre in hentai…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 07:14 PM
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You act like lived experiences aren’t what most people go off almost all the time. I’m not arguing that it’s right or wrong, just that I don’t follow how porn is the cause of this specific belief as you say that it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 06:56 PM
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Even if I were to take self-reported stats from women regarding their sexual history at face value, which I don’t, that wouldn’t be the same everywhere in the country. Someone growing up in places like LA, Miami, NYC, etc could absolutely get the “CC” impression of women purely through observation. And anyway, you still haven’t explained how it’s porn in specific that created this idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 06:33 PM
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Certainly more so than men. I’ve never heard of a porn genre named “fucking a platoon of guys during her 20s and then finding a beta simp to settle with in her 30s.” That belief comes from life experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 06:19 PM
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Guys here have such a firm belief that women are fucking like 30 men a day and then wanting to be a born-again virgin after she hits 30. Then, wants to marry a simp while she fucks other guys behind his back everyday. How do you conclude that this belief comes from porn and not from normal experience? Ignoring the exaggeration of 30 men a day.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 06:01 PM
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This is proof that men are better suited for simple tasks like sports and video games. Whiles tasks that require higher education are better suited for women. The irony that statements this profoundly stupid get made by women who apparently did well in education. 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 05:55 PM
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You’re seriously underestimating the number of men who do not ... Citation needed. I’m challenging this premise.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 05:52 PM
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If they’re getting evicted, getting the lights cut off, or defaulting, then they suck at it. Otherwise they’re self-sufficient by definition no matter how they spend their time.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/21 05:49 PM
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No, not every woman is attractive, but the majority of them are to some degree because being attractive to men isn’t a high bar and those that truly aren’t are still better off than their male counterparts.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/21 07:55 PM
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You’re never going to convince anyone that just so many men are low value. If I were to say everyone I meet is an asshole, it would rightfully be assumed that I’m the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/21 07:52 PM
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We are most likely to be beaten and raped by our husbands and fathers. You, June 3rd, 2021. Were you drunk when you wrote this and that’s why you have no memory of it?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/21 05:36 PM
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Partly true. Yes, women more often than men are concerned with finding good relationships — but men still want these also, and they don’t have the huge advantage of being popular just for existing. Also, there is a narrative on online forums about how women don’t value having sex on tap and how it’s a liability they don’t want to have, yet the amount of casual sex that goes on in real life (which men have a way harder time participating in) is in stark contrast to this claim. they want compatibl…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/21 05:00 PM
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This needs to be the top reply to every incel post.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 12:56 AM
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I admire how committed you are to this routine.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/21 09:35 PM
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It’s not even about standards being reasonable or not. The fact is that women are the ones pursued by men, and so their standards can be as picky, inconsistent, and contradictory as they feel like being in the moment. That’s a luxury, and power, that almost no men on earth by comparison have ever known or will know. The men on this sub tend to be down even worse than the average — of course they’re going to take exception with what they perceive as inequality, regardless of how reasonable the st…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/21 11:06 PM
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“Easier” is exactly how I would describe everything you just said. I’d much rather be the one trying to hire than the one being hired, and I say this as someone who has done his share of hiring. There’s a reason labor unions exist — capital is the one with the real power.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/21 04:39 PM
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This is so stupid that I can’t believe it’s not an AI writing these replies. You accepted. That’s mutual.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 11:06 PM
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Because their un-attractiveness is caused mostly by the vast majority of what they can’t change.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 08:15 PM
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Tinder is not social media. The men who say this (hyperbolic as it may be) are speaking from their experiences using apps specifically designed for meeting people to date. Their perception of women is based on actual time spent in the trenches, not what’s trending on Twitter.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/21 12:17 AM
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That guy was a total boss even before he made it into movies. He was a street hustler, competed in diving at the national level, and was a male model. He’s a great example of a successful bald guy even excluding his movie career.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/21 01:08 AM
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None of those things are demands. No man is turning down women based on arbitrary measurements.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/21 11:16 PM
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Relationship value is a subset of sexual value. If you have SMV then you may or may not also have RMV, but if you don’t have SMV then the whole conversation is moot and neither option is on the table.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/21 11:09 PM
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Lol this is too funny. 1 fat, funny guy out of 50 gets a lot of action — clearly that’s the gold standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 12:57 AM
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When I was growing up, they said credit cards were the mark of the beast. Religious extremists, to borrow a RP term, have a hamster wheel spinning in their heads to rationalize insane beliefs that never hold up to scrutiny.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/21 08:00 PM
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It’s perfectly ok to shame dumbasses who think a vaccine is the mark of the beast.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/21 05:06 PM
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The truth hurts.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/21 10:43 PM
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They’re both self-serving, but RP is based on the assumption that the man isn’t his optimal self and has a lot to improve whereas from what I’ve seen FDS, the assumption is that their female audience is already perfect and it’s their job to weed out imperfect men. It’s a lot easier to respect a philosophy that encourages its followers to hustle and improve over one that tells people they’re great and it’s everyone else who is wrong. At least RP, when done properly, improves the lives of both sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/21 08:17 PM
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Masculinity isn’t so easily triggered and broken, you’re just remembering the handful of times that it happened. And your identity as a woman is indestructible in a way that a man’s identity isn’t. You will always be a woman no matter what. You don’t have to maintain womanhood. You can’t lose your woman card. This isn’t comparable.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/21 03:30 PM
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Men aren’t rotting maggots and women aren’t gourmet. Your bias is showing. The quality of the food for both sexes is mostly ok and down to a matter of preference, except women don’t have to run the obstacle course.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/21 07:02 PM
1

If you were a man that had access to a relationship but no sex would you think that was a prize? Would you say score, awesome? Women actually like having sex whereas virtually no men want sexless relationships. Even if casual sex isn’t the top prize for women like it is for men, clearly the amount of women engaging in it means they’re getting something out of the deal. And casual sex is commonly parlayed into a relationship — not the other way around. The women here downplay the power of access …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 12:38 PM
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This isn’t a serious question unless you’re an alien.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 12:12 PM
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This post is so fucking bad. At first I thought it was a typo in the title, then I kept reading and thought it was satirical, but I think it’s legit and it makes me laugh and cry at the same time.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/21 03:37 PM
5

You weren’t welcomed into skate crews probably because you couldn’t skate. That doesn’t mean women aren’t going to be welcomed into most social groups way more easily than men are.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/21 02:53 PM
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Obesity itself is bad for obvious reasons already stated. As for why the “hate?” Because fat girls are the closest equivalent to a low value man — not that fat girls are ever truly low value by comparison to men, but they’re an easy punching bag for guys who are themselves at the bottom of the totem pole.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/21 09:59 PM
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Nah. If you’re pretending like bias in the courts and girls doing better in education aren’t brought up just as often after spending so much time on this forum, then you’re being willfully obtuse. I’m here reading all the same shit that you do, and it sounds like a broken record.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/21 11:41 PM
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He’s not negative, but he clearly undermined his own argument that it’s all about putting in the work. He doesn’t have a reason to be negative.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 08:42 PM
1

I would call it inconclusive. There were alarms going off after a few months when it became more clear that it was specifically female nurses primarily being affected, but we’re also not going to tell them all to stop being nurses overnight. Anyway, if this is the most dangerous occupation that women can generally hold then I’d say that still sorta supports the idea that they are in fact being kept in relative safety, once in a century pandemic aside.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 07:20 PM
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I should’ve known better than to try intellectually engaging with someone like you. Such dishonesty.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 01:58 PM
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You are inferior and now we see it in "free market" of dating Come on, now. You’re not even trying. Like we haven’t heard from women so many times how hurt they feel to read the kinds of vile rhetoric red pill says about them, and now this post is overflowing with women all to eager to proudly proclaim themselves the more valuable and superior half of humanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 01:43 PM
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Female nurses died during Covid due to the particular incompetence of government to provide them with PPE in this one very specific scenario. It was a fluke. It doesn’t mean women have more dangerous jobs or are more disposable, not by any stretch, not even nurses.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 01:37 PM
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This post is bringing out all the women who hate the misogyny of red pill but have no problem flipping the script when it suits them.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 01:07 PM
1

I’m saying that you hold conflicting beliefs and appeal to nature when it’s convenient for you. How does nature say raping is okay? Nature says anything is okay if you have the strength to do it. That’s my point. If you want to be consistent and not hypocritical then you can’t pick and choose which things about nature you like best (like being “more valuable”) because the natural order says a lot of things that you also wouldn’t like.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 12:51 PM
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Looks like I have to spell it out for you: rape and coercion. If we’re going by what nature dictates, then you must also support these things because might makes right. Otherwise, “we’re more valuable and men have to work for us because nature says we are 😉” is an untenable position. Just because women aren’t as quick to reduce men to a single number doesn’t mean they’re not doing the same math.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/21 01:06 AM
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Appeal to nature is a dangerous road to go down. If women are more valuable because nature says they are, then men using their power, whatever form of it that they possess, to acquire women is also the natural order. And as an aside, how gross is it to just sit back and proclaim yourself more valuable than other human beings.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/21 11:45 PM
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The idea this post is trying to convey is really simple and could’ve been written in two paragraphs. And it doesn’t really dispute the idea that women are shallow, superficial or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 03:58 AM
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Which is why I said biggest and not only option. 40% of couples and rising are meeting online. It’s leaving every other method in the dust. Real life has already become more confined. It’ll never go away, but in a decade or so when online makes up a supermajority of where couples meet, we won’t be able to casually dismiss men who complain about the online experience being stacked against them. I don’t know why you brought up OLD anyway. The post you replied to doesn’t mention it at all and is tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/21 01:14 AM
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The point is that “something different” is rapidly disappearing and the biggest option, by far, will be online platforms and the inherent inequality they come with.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/21 06:41 PM
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Your sample size is only men you’ve liked enough to date. That’s an extreme bias against the majority of men’s experiences, which is why dating men and being a man are radically different things. As for the fish analogy: no fisherman has ever asked a fish how to catch it yet we can do so reliably because we’re the ones whose trials and errors and observations make the whole process possible. We have that information and input from fish wasn’t necessary. Our labor is what gets fish on our plates …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/21 03:23 AM
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Another day, another person who doesn’t understand how a public forum works.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/21 05:02 PM
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The hell are you even replying to? The point isn’t about who to go for, it’s that you’re misrepresenting the data in order to avoid admitting that your argument is resting on a incorrect premise. Data that you introduced for whatever reason. Either close to half of all women are engaging in chronic behavior that offers them no satisfaction at all, which surely doesn’t make them the sharpest tools in the shed and is a tough argument to sell, or they are satisfied by it which is why the number is …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/21 03:44 AM
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That’s almost half the female population and you’re brushing it aside like nothing and calling it a “narrow view?” I don’t even have an opinion on this post, but this is such bad faith arguing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/21 06:20 PM
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Extremely female view of the world. Attraction from women, and certainly not dates with them, doesn’t grow on trees. Of course you think it’s too much time and money, you’re not investing either one into the process and as far as you’re concerned your next opportunity is right around the corner. And what exactly do you think a date is? That is getting to know a woman. Online dating apps are far and away how most people meet and that was before Covid. No one, man or woman, wants a pen pal to exch…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/21 02:21 AM
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No, situations could defuse themselves merely because there are women around but not necessarily because of anything the women themselves say or do. Just because men often ignore social cues doesn’t mean they don’t see them. Diplomacy is advocating for yourself, or others. It is, literally, “skill in managing negotiations” — a skill women are generally so lacking in that there are corporate initiatives specifically for training them on how to do it. I wouldn’t want to be represented by someone w…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/21 03:46 AM
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Women might be better at communicating with other women they know and feel safe around, but to suggest that the sex famous for lacking self-esteem and refusing to ask for a raise at work makes for better diplomats is hilarious.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/21 10:39 PM
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You’re making it seem like the standard in question is to not let fungus start growing in the kitchen sink, whereas in practice, and this has been the case in each of my relationships, her standards are more like Buckingham Palace. If there’s anyone who needs therapy, it’s a woman who thinks leaving two socks on the floor by mistake is like living in squalor.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/21 10:24 PM
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When it’s something that women do, the past is the past and not indicative of her character. When it’s something men do, the past is “often an indicator” of future behavior and displays bad qualities which are an immutable part of his character because he can never change. Got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/21 10:48 PM
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The woman doesn’t have to doubt the maternity of the child. She is 100% certain of it. The man is expected to place a level of trust on the woman which the woman doesn’t have to place on the man. The foundation of the relationship is already tilted in her favor. So what’s wrong with him tilting it slightly back?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/21 03:22 AM
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I agree that the whole CC thing is really overblown. But five counts as a carousel for those dudes who in their view weren’t even allowed in line for the ride.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 11:52 PM
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A pencil that gets used a lot is leaving behind a legacy. A sharpener’s only purpose is to support the pencil.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/21 11:14 PM
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I’m sure they’re also extremely envious of, if not mad at, those other men, but that’s not why they’re foaming at the mouth when it comes to women. They get angry at women because they’re the ones the men want and get rejected by. And if your worldview is that women hold all the power, then it almost feels like bullying or (and I really hate to make this comparison) a form of systemic oppression. That’s why they’re not just mad, but also zealous and self-righteous.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/21 04:23 PM
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Not at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/21 04:08 PM
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Yes, the sex that consistently scores much higher in neuroticism and struggles to demand a raise at work has mental strength the men at Normandy could only ever dream of.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/21 04:02 PM
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The men on this sub aren’t mad because women are trying to get what they want, they’re mad because women by and large will get it — fairly easily, at that, while the men won’t.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/21 03:38 PM
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Because Tinder is the highest form of online competition and they’re dying to say that they made it there.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 10:55 PM
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My definition is straight as an arrow. I’m not using paradoxical terms like “virgin fuckzoned” in a vain attempt to preserve my honor. The perception of the desired person is obvious when they have slept with you and refuse to go further. The perception of the desired person when you’ve done nothing at all is just speculation. If we go by “he just wants to sleep with you” as a metric then a lot of male-female relationships are fuck-zones for the woman. “I fuck-zoned a girl I haven’t fucked” is a…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 09:43 AM
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You can be nice. But actually be nice. Don’t just act that way as a means to covertly earn her affection. It needs to be congruent with the rest of your personality. Have a spine, be assertive, and learn to take your shots. Those things are not incompatible with kindness, but too many guys think it crosses the line into “imposing myself” or “being rude” territory and that’s where they lose the game. The asshole isn’t bound by such limitations which is why he wins so much. Learn to reconcile that…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 09:28 AM
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So the recent trend of Dad Bod has been made pretty popular over the last four years. Lol. Spreading this kind of misinformation is so irresponsible. To any young men out there reading this: do yourselves a favor and discard anything you ever hear about fat actually being attractive to women. Eat right, stay active, stay lean, and you won’t have to scrounge for scraps like your dad-bodied peers.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 05:31 AM
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Every woman on earth is covered by that definition. A friend-zoned guy has to be acting like a friend. If he doesn’t have a sexual relationship with her and he’s also not a friend then he’s a stranger. A fuck-zoned woman has to have fucked the guy, otherwise it’s a normal platonic relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 05:00 AM
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I wish I could use “yeah this only benefits me, but you need to be ok with it” to shut down any conversations I’m uncomfortable with. A paragraph earlier you talked about the irrationality of making either side sacrifice its own imperatives, right before essentially saying that one side’s imperative is more important than the other. You’re acting like the male imperative requires something as drastic and authoritarian as revoking women’s right to vote or forcing them into non-consensual sex. Tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 04:42 AM
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This sounds fine in theory but in actuality benefits only one side. All women can fuck as much as they want, but much fewer men can be noncommittal because sex is what leads to commitment being an option in the first place. This just kicks the can down the road. The inequality that got us here doesn’t go away. All women benefit, but only some men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/20 09:44 PM
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The idea lasted all of two sentences before she undermined it without even realizing. There’s nothing else to say except to laugh at the absurdity.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/20 05:40 AM
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wait until women ask you out instead of asking them out ... From now on I’m waiting until they ask me out lol
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/20 04:55 AM
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This question is the crux of incel/black pill dogma: are they really the common denominator? Or are they losers in a brutal system which demands that many men fail in order for a few to succeed? The answer is complex to say the least and it’s the reason why this forum exists at all, but in their eyes, they’re the sacrificial pawns who get eaten for the benefit of the queen and they’re none too happy about it. They see themselves as the blood sacrifices that pay for the betterment of everyone els…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/20 05:52 AM
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I disagree that this kind of thinking is popular among men outside of the most fringe incels. But it does come from a decidedly male perspective: you don’t view a single rejection the same way men do, especially the ones lower on the totem pole, because you’re a woman and you can count on essentially limitless options coming your way soon. To you, it might sting in the moment but be of little consequence in the grand machine that is life on Earth. You’re gonna succeed, statistically — if you don…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/20 03:43 AM
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even though they absolutely DO prefer thin women, as how by who they pursue on OLD. That’s your own speculation about male online dating habits, which are wrong. You act as if it’s not women who are targeting only the fittest members of the opposite sex. Men target underweight and overweight women and all in between. The fact that you seriously think dad-bods are attractive to women is hilariously ignorant. The article talks about fashion models who are not at all relevant to the normal populati…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 06:37 PM
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Clearly I’m paying closer attention to your own words than you are. That’s my mistake. Just FYI: you should cite articles that support what you’re saying, not that say the complete opposite and then try to pretzel your way out of the corner you wrote yourself into.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 05:24 PM
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Be that as it may (and I don’t agree at all), I was questioning why you’d cite an article that directly contradicts your argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 04:02 PM
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How does it follow that women are grounded in reality when it’s men who, in your own words, are the ones “acquiring resources, commanding people, dominating people, even killing people?” That’s literally men living in reality and abstracting women away from it. This whole post is so absurdly reductionist. If you’ve spent any time on this forum you’d be aware of all the counter arguments saying that it’s women who are said to be shielded from the consequences of reality via social and/or legal me…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 03:59 PM
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the fact that men clearly prefer unrealistically, underweight women but continuously argue otherwise. That recent post says the exact opposite? A study published in Sex Roles suggests that the very thin female body type prevailing in the media is less admired than people think it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/20 03:34 PM
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Their thought process is something like, “women get all the free sex they could ever need and I’m here sitting in the dark using my hand, so since I can’t make them do what I want then the next best thing is to make them feel as bad as possible and encourage others to do so as well.”
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 08:49 AM
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But is that an agreement? It sounds like you’re supporting the argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/20 12:02 AM
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Are first class passengers really better off than people in coach in modern air travel? I know it’s common to see poor people in coach complaining about having no legroom, running out of overhead space, having to wait to get off, not being able to recline, having to wait to use the lavatory, being treated like cattle, etc. However are first class flyers really better off? Yeah they have way more room, their own menu, their own restrooms, hot towels, complimentary wine, a screen so that their sec…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/20 06:13 PM
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Isn’t it possible that people with good personalities were perceived to be better looking?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/20 04:34 AM
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I'm also curious what you mean by "hookup culture" I’m not using “hookup culture” to describe the ways people get laid — as you said, people have been screwing around since time immemorial. I’m using it to describe an attitude, an outlook, to long term relationships. The attitude being that they’re to be avoided because responsibility and commitment is to be avoided. That’s why I said they’re generally not serious people; the culture of apathy they’re swimming in is an effect, not a cause. What …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/20 03:55 AM
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From my perspective I see plenty of real dating going on, plenty of relationships forming, engagements, marriages and children being born. I don’t think of it as fear of dating so much as apathy and probably other personality disorders. Some amount of these hookup culture people are going through motions just for the sake of it. They don’t take relationships seriously because they’re incapable of being serious people.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/20 11:20 PM
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They formed, and they often lasted. This does not mean they were good or happy They’re not that good or happy today, either. The illusion of choice doesn’t result in better outcomes. we take things so deadly serious it makes us gunshy. I dunno, the rise of hookup culture makes me think no one is taking anything seriously at all. If anything our culture is far more irreverent and iconoclastic than in the Cold War era.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/20 09:02 PM
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I acknowledge that casual sex with low-quality men is not how women define success — but certainly with high quality men the calculus shifts it closer in that direction. Even if that doesn’t count as success, then it’s still a hell of a lot more progress than the equivalent man who has no personality, interests or skills. That man’s personal life is taking on water and sinking in the North Atlantic. I would bet on this hypothetical woman making it to a solid relationship and marriage. Some guy o…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/20 08:25 PM
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You say that as if it negates the point. Everyone is after something, even women. You agree that women can have no personality, interest, or skill and still be successful. This is merely one explanation as to why.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/20 04:42 PM
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All the study accomplished, critics say, is to find evidence of systemic sexism. ... “The conclusions … are based on flawed assumptions and flawed analysis,” wrote Rockefeller University neurobiologist Leslie Vosshall in an open letter to Nature Communications calling for the paper’s retraction. It found evidence of systemic sexism despite also being based on flawed analyses that should not be considered valid?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/20 07:51 PM
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I like to think of many incels as closeted heterosexuals. Many of them are downright ashamed of who they are and of how their sexuality is expressed. They think being friendly with a woman and “being there for her” is the extent of male sexuality. They wax philosophical about everything up to the point in the relationship where they have to clearly make their intentions known to the woman, then it all falls apart because that’s the point of no return and they’re more afraid of success than of fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/20 06:41 PM
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Instead of some guy talking about "putting himself out there" going to Salsa lessons, then returning to an empty apartment and crying into his pillow after another in an unbroken chain of failures, you had people brimming with life, with anger, with humor. This perfectly captures why extremist groups are so appealing. The platitudes offered by mainstream culture are of no comfort by comparison to a community of asshole miscreants who at least have your back.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/20 03:46 PM
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Sounds like he failed a shit test tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/20 05:24 PM
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Fine, then, don’t call it winning or losing. But I used your own words to frame my really simple question and your reaction was to say I wasn’t making a lick of sense. But I think I get where you’re coming from now. It sounds like you wish men were more masculine in ways aside from being sexually aggressive.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 12:53 AM
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You said men are too feminine. I pointed out that the primary complaint women have of men in dating is that they’re too aggressive, which is men acting masculine. What I’m saying is simple and makes perfect sense. Laugh emojis and saying I’m “projecting” (???) doesn’t. You’ll have to learn to win arguments with words sooner or later.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 12:01 AM
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Oh, ok. So these men who are unafraid to violate boundaries and be emotionally abusive are also timid and think they’re the prize who should be chased.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 10:57 PM
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This really happened? So it’s a two-for-one deal: it demonstrates that the incels weren’t passive like the stereotypes say they are, and the femcels turned down offers which confirms that there is no such thing as a female incel.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 10:55 PM
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It's wild to me that society has reached a point where we recognize straight men as so awful that there is just insane amounts of pushback to separate from them entirely. According to who? Oh. Some teen girls on Tumblr. LOL. That’s like getting your news from QAnon.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 10:46 PM
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There are men with those problems too, that doesn’t discount the analogy.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 10:01 PM
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One of, if not the biggest complaint women make about dating is men being aggressive and shamelessly manipulative in pursuit of a pump and dump. I’m unclear on how you can reconcile this behavior, which is stereotypically masculine, with the idea that there is a “lack of masculine men.”
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 09:49 PM
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She knows she’s actually 1 or 2. There’s only upside to her being humble because when the guys show up, fact will be sorted from fiction.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/20 09:56 PM
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The point of the experiment I think was to demonstrate how a group of women would rank each other and to that end it succeeded. They all implicitly agreed that the fat girl was the ugliest which is why they had no problem giving her the limelight and the actual outcome was almost completely backwards. They all know the outcome is fraudulent (heh) and they’re ok with it to keep feelings from being hurt. I actually LOL’d when they put the fat girl first. I was kinda impressed with their commitment…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/20 09:48 PM
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This says more about your neuroticism than it does about men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/20 08:26 PM
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An individual not being at fault doesn’t change the equation at the systemic level. When male privilege is discussed, it’s often said that all men benefit from it whether they’re successful or not. They’re blamed for supporting a structure that they were merely born into through no fault of their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/20 04:06 PM
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Some say that online dating is the purest form of the sexual marketplace. That it’s an amplified version of what happens IRL. Frankly, I’m not convinced that it’s representative of anything. To me it’s like saying the NBA is representative of high school athletics — the common man is so disconnected from that world that it’s not even worth considering.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/20 06:35 AM
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Rule 1: be attractive Rule 2: don’t be unattractive It’s much harder for men to follow these rules than it is for women. Most women are attractive to some degree and few of them are so unattractive that they repel all of their suitors. None of this is “negotiated.” No one is sitting at a table trying to trade attraction for one thing in exchange for something else. It’s all information that one person learns about another person and it all falls under one rule or the other until a decision is ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/20 05:10 AM
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I’m definitely not speaking in absolutes. There’s women who think like men and vice-versa. But yes, that’s the gist of male thinking: if you truly liked me, then we’d be going at it right now instead of waiting on you to figure out where to place your bishop. We’re not even using the same parts of our brain. RP doctrine says that all this high-level cognitive load is bypassed if you’re physically hot enough, contrary to what women say about getting to know a man and needing love for sex, etc. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/20 01:23 AM
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This is the biggest impasse that separates our understanding of each other. Reaching that “level of knowing someone before attraction properly sets in,” if you were the cynical type, could be viewed with suspicion. To us that level was reached as soon as we entered the room. Saying that you’re waiting for some arbitrary point makes it seem almost sinister in a way, like you’re playing poker or something, because it’s incomprehensible to us that attraction can be altered merely with new informati…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/20 12:07 AM
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Curious to know how long that is. I’m pretty red pilled in my beliefs on attraction and this idea of waiting an arbitrary amount of time to chase someone you were attracted to within the first minute is foreign to me. At that point it sounds more like a trade agreement than a romantic pursuit.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 07:41 PM
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Individual men, sure, but not in the aggregate. I’m not downplaying the pressure women feel to be beautiful, but you’re still gonna come out ahead whether or not you cover up a few blemishes or if your hair is imperfect or if you’re slightly chubby. These are inventions born of insecurity and not practicality.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 07:36 PM
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That’s true in the strictest sense, just like basketball is about more than putting the ball in the basket, business is about more than profit, and war is about more than killing. But ultimately you’re gonna lose if you can’t perform at the most basic level. I could beat the Lakers 5v1 if I got a thousand points free just for showing up.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/20 07:59 PM
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Y’know, saying the victim “was no angel” doesn’t usually over well in polite company, but for some reason when it comes to Depp getting abused by his wife, then who cares I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/20 07:02 PM
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I do, and I find this idea of wanting women to initiate all the time as grossly unnatural from my perspective as a masculine male who enjoys exercising his assertive role. My personal opinion aside, I’ve seen that men who want women to take the lead fall into one of three camps: Men who are too timid to do the initiating themselves and come up with any amount of excuses not to do it. They wish they had the female role for themselves, but there is dissonance because they probably don’t truly enjo…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/20 11:31 PM
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I’m not doubting you personally, but I’m sure it’s some combination of both. And if I had nothing else to go on, I’d bet on tall, ripped guy having better luck than “genuine in his words and treats her like she matters” guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/20 05:58 AM
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...Yeah?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/20 01:27 AM
3

I think it’s just reversing the traditional laundry list of attractive male traits. The number of Indians I’ve known in tech positions is way higher than those cleaning toilets.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/20 11:50 PM
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Not even entirely by proxy. If they all watch the same shows, or the same types of shows, then it’s more for them to relate to other women with. By and large they're playing it safe with their media consumption and not pushing boundaries by doing things that aren't socially beneficial.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/20 10:31 PM
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I'm not sold on the premise that men are suddenly less attractive today than they were 15 years ago, at least not in ways that are unique to being male. Women are also fat and boring. While porn is more accessible today than a decade ago, there is also way more of a health and fitness culture than has ever existed before. Crossfit and gym culture are everywhere. In big cities obesity rates are significantly lower than average. Mental health is a serious topic in medicine now. Men still outearn t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/20 10:59 PM
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Adding to this: it also feels like a lot of these guys look across the aisle, see the women they desire so badly “doing nothing” and being able to pick whoever they like best, while the guy (in his mind) is having to do all this backbreaking labor just to earn her favor, and it’s a recipe for the most bitter of pills.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 12:46 AM
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“Frame” is one of those ambiguous terms like “confidence” that mean different things depending on who’s talking. If you think of frame in terms of never letting your guard down, never show weakness, always be on the offensive, etc, then yeah, it’s really just faux self-belief for that crowd who would otherwise not have any to begin with. It’s easily digested sound bites for mass consumption. The way I think of frame is, as you say, being yourself, so long as “yourself” is someone people want to …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 06:18 PM
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I mostly agree. I simp for my girlfriend and she simps for me because frankly I still got my rose goggles on and haven’t had any reason to take them off. I love her and take care of her and ask for nothing in return, although I would surely notice if one day she stopped giving back. Where I feel RP is beneficial is that it keeps men in check. It’s unrequited simping of women by men that’s the problem in our culture, not really the other way around. The inequality is not in men’s favor. RP emphas…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/20 03:31 PM
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The fat girl was once a healthy weight. She was the finished product to start with and then broke.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/20 04:20 PM
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It may as well be a basement for all the good it does them, whether it has a nice view or not. I don't disagree that "get a life" is kinda vague advice, but that's because I think they literally don't know what a life looks like. If you forced them to leave their caves for 4 hours a day, they'd have no idea where to go or what to do. But they certainly won't get past their shyness by doing nothing at all. If they can pontificate on the unfairness of gender roles, they could also figure out how t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 07:34 PM
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Girls aren't gonna come knocking on their basement door. Either they get over their insecurities like everyone else, or they get to enjoy the company of their own hand while ranting about hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 02:28 PM
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You're better off just owning your pickiness lol
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 05:33 AM
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the fact there is 300 short, ugly, weird, incompatible men This is where this argument always falls apart. It hinges on the preposterous notion that a woman could get a number like 300 hits (which is really on the low end), and she doesn't like a single one? The higher this number goes, the less believable it becomes. Let's say it's a supermajority, we'll call it 80% of 300, that still leaves sixty eligible men. You're trying to argue this point with guys who will probably not get that many matc…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 10:39 PM
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I'm normally in the "seriously, who cares" camp on this topic, but in this case, let's say the guy practices his technique on a few hookers and gets fairly good. If he can't convince any women to get into bed with him using his own social skills, then he's still not demonstrating the social proof women love so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/20 05:42 AM
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Because men naturally have scarcity mentality and need their arms twisted into nexting a woman. The very idea is scandalous to a young, inexperienced guy. They're much more likely to accept bullshit. Women don't need that kind of training.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/20 10:17 PM
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These guys aren't trying to make women feel positively and horny towards men. They know it's a pipedream. Their mentality is: my world sucks, so I may as well make yours suck too.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 08:31 PM
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Hugh Hefner created a media empire and personal brand known around the world. What they idolized were his professional accomplishments which just so happened to involve paying hot women to hang around him. What I'm talking about is everyday random schlubs. When a guy gets lucky he'll get props from his friends for a job well done. If he pays for hookers, no one's complimenting him on his prowess or on his ability to afford one. He's still a loser in the eyes of the people in his little bubble wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 08:19 PM
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A lot of them think they want to have sex, but really they just want some intimacy. Someone to share their time and experiences with. Can't have one without the other, otherwise it's just a platonic friendship. I think for them sex is a "price" they wish they didn't have to pay in order to get the intimacy. That's not to say they don't want sex, but they feel pressured to always lead with sex as their primary goal because our culture mandates that this is how men should act and gives them positi…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 03:21 PM
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It will never matter unless society pats them on the back and gives them props for affording a prostitute in the same way it would for being a successful player.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 03:03 PM
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It's you who didn't read my comment. You're clearly responding on autopilot while complaining about circlejerking and good faith lol. I didn't say it would matter who filed because I'm not talking at all about fault. I'm saying that there's much less risk for you because women file way more often than men do, and so the odds of a divorce happening at all is way smaller during your window of vulnerability than it was during his. And that's not including that had you chosen to pull the trigger dur…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 12:49 PM
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If a divorce were to happen it would almost certainly be her doing it. She's relatively safe compared to him who was at higher risk the whole time while the kids were still minors.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/20 09:19 AM
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Disagree. Women have abundance. The "dying alone" threat isn't a real threat for them, not truly, it's an option they can choose to exercise or reneg on at any time. Cat ladies choose to become cat ladies and could cease to be cat ladies overnight. On the other hand, men recognize this threat from an early age which is why they spend so much of their life laboring to avoid it (with mixed results). If a man says he fears dying alone, it's because he knows how real the possibility is for him. Wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/20 10:09 AM
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Prisoner's Dilemma. It only works if all men do it. Those men who defect will win, and those who kept the bar raised will lose.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 09:51 AM
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That guy is legit an addict. He's not representative of men. For that matter, he's the weird one compared to his friends by his own admission.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 03:45 AM
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His point is that an individual woman always possesses sex as a commodity to be bartered with. It will always be in demand and supply is limited. She can't be (or at least, shouldn't be) disposed of. An individual man doesn't offer an electrical grid or the entire food supply. What he can offer is a limited amount of man-power which has become less relevant by the decade and there is no shortage of other men (or even women) who could do the same things. He is interchangeable with any other man. …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/20 03:29 AM
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I've always heard that behind every great man there is a great woman? The implication being that he couldn't do it alone, that he had support, and that she deserves some of the credit? Well then, it seems women are accomplices in the destruction of societies.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/20 12:45 PM
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Is that all it takes to be wonderful? Not commit violent crimes and kidnappings? I've never done those things. Can I be wonderful too?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/20 03:14 AM
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She was, as parents tend to be. I'll admit that she had a lot of the old country in her and it shaped the way she looked at the world. But with no other form of inequality do we assume it just disappears in a single generation. We don't walk around saying racism died in the 90s and things are great now. I'm not here to paint men as martyrs or women as emotional assassins. I'm just saying those values are quite common, and IMHO, the majority of people hold them and are influenced by them to a cer…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 08:51 PM
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I love that not one of you can answer me why if women are so repulsed by men crying it’s a fairly common thing for athletes to cry in public on national fucking TV (when they win, when they lose, when they’re on 30 for 30 talking about how their dad left and their mom worked 9 jobs to put food on the table, etc) and none have a problem getting or keeping women. That's not even a fair example. You're comparing professional athletes on TV, where they're sharing a moment with the whole world, versu…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 05:26 PM
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I also want to point out that he claims to have training in martial arts, but is picking fights at clubs. He thinks he's gonna do a takedown and armbar some random guy and everything will be totally cool. He's either a dumb, immature poser at best, or at worst, willing to commit battery by physically escalating as the first resort with untrained randoms for no reason at all. Disgraceful. This whole story sounds like a teenage humblebrag.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/20 10:40 AM
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Well if you wanna stay on that tangent that's fine with me, but we're probably gonna reach the same impasse. In the real world among normal, well-adjusted people there's certainly room for randomness. I spent years calling online dating a racket and a scam perpetuated against men, even suggesting the industry should be regulated, then I met my current LTR there. Even still, I consider it a fluke and to this day I'm pretty firmly in the "men should be a certain way or face annihilation" camp and …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/20 01:32 PM
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I feel like you're forgetting your own OP. We're talking about these guys: users that seemingly want to date women, yet at the same time loathe any activity or event where they are interacting with other people because they are introverted antisocial asocial. These guys are already on the fringes to start with. My reply to you was that women who are also on the fringes in this way don't face the same ramifications. I'm not commenting on the state of affairs of regular men. I'm saying that at thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/20 12:35 PM
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At no point have I said that anything is impossible. (Nor have I complained.) Yes, you can be a shy, quiet, reclusive man who defies the odds and meets the girl of his dreams. It has certainly happened. That doesn't mean it's common, or that there aren't rules the sexes play by which you're handicapping yourself by not following. If I had to give a random guy dating advice knowing nothing about him, it sure as hell wouldn't be "stay quiet, be passive, and wait for success." I hope you wouldn't d…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/20 12:08 PM
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This is a lie and pure speculation. Simply because that walled-off girl isn’t visible to you. There's nothing speculative about women having more active social lives than men. You're ignoring reality here. This is a lie. This is internal pressure naive men place on themselves to force compatibility with women they aren’t clicking with. Yes, men aren't expected to lead. More reality denial. I don't know where to go from here. You're adamant in your defense of a just world where everyone is treate…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/20 10:52 AM
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You're being flippant, but, yes, among lots of other things. This introverted and/or socially avoidant personality type isn't often going to be in a position to say hi to anyone in the first place. Again, not an issue for women firstly because it's not their role to initiate, and secondly because they have stronger social networks and even the most introverted and walled-off girl is gonna have a far more social lifestyle than her male counterpart who isn't desired anywhere near as much. The burd…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/20 06:14 PM
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There are plenty of women who feel the same way, but they're not handicapped by it because the burden of performance is on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/20 02:48 PM
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I think I get where you're coming from. You're trying to portray casual sex almost as if it was a movement, or a cult, with unrealistic endgoals in mind. I'm not even disagreeing with the notion of casual sex kinda having a separate life of its own as a talking point on here. It could very well be a capitalized proper noun at this point. Where I disagree is your characterization of what most men think casual sex actually looks like. The average man isn't realistically thinking he's gonna get BJs…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/19 09:07 AM
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When I think of a normal man here’s what I think: You literally just invented a list of ways you think "normal men" are like, with not a single positive thing to say, and now we have to defend against your imagination. This question is a ridiculous strawman and clearly in bad faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/19 06:07 PM
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And that true competition exists among men competing for access to women and not the other way around. They should be thrilled at inequality?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/19 11:53 PM
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When was "before?" 10 years ago? 20? A woman old enough to have a basis for comparison won't be in the same place in her life, and a young woman who says it has only hearsay and her own imagination to rely on. In other words: I don't buy the premise.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/19 11:43 PM
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We're at much greater risk of getting replaced by automation than by woman-operated forklifts lol. Where is your value as a man if you can't produce widgets or fix cars? Men as low value replaceable cogs is standard RP dogma. You're not saying anything profound.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 09:41 AM
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The more often they give into social anxiety, the less experience they get. This has compounding effects over time.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/19 09:27 AM
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With other women, on specific topics.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/19 08:21 PM
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Disagree with your second point. Learn to interpret indirect communication, but communicate directly yourself or else you're a man playing a woman's game which is bad for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/19 12:59 PM
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Isn't FDS the normal state of affairs that TRP was created to defend against?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/19 06:05 PM
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They probably see basic-frat-gym-bros as the lowest common denominator and thus make that archetype their standard, because it's what they see working most often and consistently. And most people are familiar with it. It's also why they chase the basic female equivalent. If math-nerd-bros were the most consistently laid group of guys, that's what RP would want to be, instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/19 11:11 PM
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Men aren't by and large pushing video gaming as one of their more virtuous attributes in the same way women do with their "adventures." Most people who list travel as one of their hobbies are making shit up and have never gone anywhere or do so once a year for like three days, and only to "safe" places most people who travel go to anyway like western Europe or Machu Pichu. There's hardly any real sense of adventure. Video gaming is an actual hobby that you can participate in often. Travel isn't …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/19 06:20 PM
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Good on you for at least recognizing this in yourself. I've been saying this since forever. Guys who do poorly (whether full-blown incels or not) by and large aren't putting themselves out there enough. Men must be proactive at all times. To not do this is the deadliest male sin. Whether hot or ugly, nice or asshole, that's the cross all men must bear and it's way heavier on certain personality types than on others.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/19 10:08 PM
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If you have privileged status in a crisis, then that comes at the cost of being considered "inferior" (at least in this narrow scope) compared to the person risking his life to save your ass. I don't see a problem here.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/19 02:23 PM
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Yeah I think he's talking out of his ass. First thing I think of when hearing "nerdy" isn't fighting lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/19 02:15 PM
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Every girl at some point in her life asks herself “am I only valued for how good looking I am?” Is that really better than being valued as a meat shield at best, or not having any value at all in most cases? I also understand that all the men who are so willing to talk to me and be friendly and help me out today, wouldn’t be as eager to if I wasn’t young and pretty. Is that really worse than no one caring at all? I'm not saying that your experiences sound all that great, but compare that to the …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 03:38 PM
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20 years is a huge chunk of adult life, though. That's not nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/19 03:26 PM
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Every guy has been there. We all know what it feels like. We can't even begin to comprehend how the other side lives and its easy to think the grass is greener (IMHO it kind of is, but I'll keep my personal opinions out of it). I think if the "success rate" for guys didn't change at all but they were rejecting women more often, not only would it make them understand a bit better but also it would make them feel less helpless and resigned to their fate.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/19 05:18 PM
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Unfamiliar with whatever book that quote comes from. Having read it for the first time just now, I didn't take it to mean men are entitled to make a woman choose how he wants them to, but rather, that most men don't get the option of "choosing or dashing with a lazy, effortless execution." In other words, it's being angry at their natural state of scarcity.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/19 02:55 PM
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How dare you offer me a Bud Light like I'm some sort of pleb! LMFAO. This has to be satire. And then watching OP double down on that foolishness in defense of the friend is even more embarrassing.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/19 10:01 PM
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Anyone can shit talk and pose on Twitter. That doesn't mean anything at all. Too many people here quick to inject their make-believe explanations for something that isn't actually happening.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 02:32 AM
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The post-college men in my area and dating range generally didn't do much besides smoke weed and play videogames and punch a timecard, while the women worked, went to the gym, volunteered, had hobbies and took vacations, etc... I'm sure this is totally true and free of bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/18 02:28 AM
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This doesn't seem like a controversial position to take. I think most people would agree with it to at least a certain extent, and it applies outside of a sexual context, too. The reason PPD exists is because the sexes treat each other unfairly in different ways, at different frequencies, with different effects, and one sex usually has an advantage over the other in specific domains which leads to inequality. Some want it fixed, others are merely looking for acknowledgment.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/18 02:44 AM
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Sadly I'm late to this party, but I did get a chuckle from reading the replies. I'm amused at the details OP has revealed about her husband: tall, extremely fit, ambitious, high salary earner, and she's attracted to his style (and the price tag on his clothing and his car). Then she says RP beliefs are counterproductive while ignoring that her husband is the exact ideal RP strives to be. She's either trolling or extremely daft.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/18 07:03 AM
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I suspect women who think they have high sex drives would completely buckle if they woke up one day with twice their muscle mass, 20 times the testosterone along with the increased aggression and sexual thoughts that come with it, and a sensitive, external sex organ that operates almost autonomously. Especially if they also lift weights.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/18 05:40 PM
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I'm not buying the premise that more men than women are stuck in arrested development. Technology is making everyone's life easier and more sheltered. We notice it with men because they're the ones being judged by this metric, and so suffer more from it, but that doesn't mean there isn't also a shitload of women stuck in perpetual adolescence who would have grown up faster in earlier times with more adversity.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/18 05:36 AM
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I had that post saved because it's truly legendary, and IMO perfectly explains the disillusionment behind the kind of men who make TRP possible. Not only is there no "magic" in it for them, they're also pissed off at having to be the ones making it happen for someone else's benefit.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/18 04:09 PM
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Might you mean this one? And his follow-up answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/18 12:08 AM
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The implied "shitty" behavior from women is being unaccepting of insecurity from men, not in being insecure themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/18 02:49 AM
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One nitpick I wanted to make. The guy in this story hired a sex worker one time in his life (that she knows of) when he was a teenager in the army. That's all. If you spent one night in county lockup as a teenager, that doesn't make you a convicted felon. There is no basis for any fear of him being "low value." He did it because he was in the army, not because he was a sad incel. When a woman is slut-shamed, she's typically being judged for a long-term pattern of behavior. The fear there is that…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/18 02:32 AM
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I'm in an LTR so I have no personal stake in this, at least not for a long while I hope. And I paid for dates because I'm not dumb enough not to. That doesn't mean it's right or that I should stay silent. Why are you even on PPD if your only talking point is that we should all just resign ourselves to the status quo? Your whole schtick is making painfully obvious commentary on social norms while saying absolutely nothing that advances the conversation. Yes, women like getting paid for. No shit. …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 07:04 AM
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feminine/passive type of personality Being passive as a male is a cardinal sin and such men will be severely punished for it. Maybe one day they'll realize that this is likely the sole source of all their problems, but I'm not holding my breath.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 06:49 AM
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Social norms, as we've all heard by now, are often rooted in historical inequality and can be fought. "Whoever asks pays" is a dogwhistle which can be heard clearly by everyone and says: "I'm a woman and I expect preferential treatment." If it was a movie you'd be winking into the camera. If that's what you think, then at least speak plainly and truly own it. I can't respect that opinion. Not in today's world where gender norms are being fought tooth and nail. That "awkward moment" doesn't have …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 12:38 AM
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They told you that because it's not going to turn men off (it might do the opposite). If a man is dumb enough to advertise this unfortunate fact about himself then he's showing a supreme lack of social awareness.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/18 12:09 AM
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if a guy asks a woman out on a date, casual or serious, regardless of how he worded the question, then the woman is going to a place she wouldn't have gone and incurring an expense she wouldn't have incurred if it weren't for him inviting her out. How convenient. As though she couldn't have said no. This "who asks pays" argument is such an obvious and cliched cop-out and yet it gets thrown around all the time as though it has intellectual merit. It's dishonest and supported only by those who sta…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/18 10:55 PM
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The women in that thread have a strange idea of what "following a guide" means, or they got something from the now-deleted OP. They have this idea that the guy is looking down at his phone looking at notes to see how he should respond in a normal situation, and/or that he's a sociopath putting on a completely fake persona like an actor filming a movie. I don't understand how anyone could reasonably think this way. Haven't they gone to school? Haven't they ever learned things in their life? Haven…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/18 10:38 PM
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remain attractive by doing virtually nothing at all ... he used to be big into triathlons He does a five-mile run a couple times a week He does work a physical job though Hmmm. 🧐
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/18 10:19 PM
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Your body still fights to protect you from famine even though we have an abundance of food. A woman can incubate new life regardless of any other attributes she has as a person. This fact will never be forgotten by our lizard brains.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/18 07:50 PM
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Next you'll be telling me the women of the tribe would be OK with them and their children starving to death instead of sending their men off to forcefully take someone else's land. The point you're missing is that war was inevitable because of geography and human nature. Men are fighting the wars, but they didn't "create" them. That's like saying women "created" having kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 04:59 PM
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May as well pull a random man's name out of the telephone book and make him pay for the child, then, since we're OK with forcing someone who isn't the father to pay as though he were the father.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/18 04:58 PM
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Who created the wars though? Finite resources and land.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/18 09:50 PM
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They hypothesized that the rising prevalence of obesity as well as the sharp decline in cigarette smoking might help explain their findings, given that testosterone levels are lower among overweight people and smoking increases testosterone levels. But these factors accounted for only a small percentage of the observed difference. The researchers used body mass index, the ratio of height to weight, to estimate obesity levels, he noted, but this is not a very accurate way to gauge the real adipos…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 02:46 PM
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No one is going to change their mind outright over the course of a couple of hours arguing on Reddit. But given enough time, combined with life experiences (which some people don't actually have), people may at least reconsider their opinions and maybe mellow out after a while. I certainly have.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/18 02:27 PM
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bitch about the Kardashians at their PTA meetings like normal humans? Omfg I'd rather sit in the dark refreshing this page for hour than watch that fucking drivel.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 10:17 PM
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But how would you apply RP strategies with a more nerdy or more intellectual girl who reads books, listens to alt-rock and has different interests than other girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 07:46 PM
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I can accept that. But the post of yours I replied to was condemning the use of guys using fishing pictures, so that's I came in to point out that this street goes both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 07:41 PM
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It's not cute, that's the problem. You might be super cute but I would never know with the crap you've obfuscated your face with. They also adjust your angles so that your eyes and forehead look bigger. At least fish guy isn't manipulating the image. Anyway, you took those dumb snapchat pictures (in 2018?) while you were out with friends just having fun and being in your element. That's literally what fish guys are doing. They express it differently, but ultimately they think those pictures are …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 07:32 PM
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It's true. I can't even tell what a woman with a filter looks like because she's deliberately obscuring her face on a visual medium where people want to see each other. If you're taking selfies in the first place for online dating profiles, especially going out of your way to apply filters, then that says more about you than you'd like to admit. One of women's biggest complaints seems to be men taking bad pictures, but for some reason women taking selfies with a fake wreath on their head is tota…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 07:16 PM
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It's a gigantic hoop. Like, you don't even need to jump, you can just walk through it. And no one said "all women," just unimaginative ones who use filters on themselves. "He likes fishing and posed holding a fish, I CAN'T BELIEVE HOW BORING HE IS HOW DARE HE LIKE TO DO THINGS!"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 06:29 PM
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I understood the analogy to mean McDonald's is the woman, and "being out of McFlurrys" was a rejection from her. In that case you'd have to go somewhere else. You're saying McDonald's is a place you'd be going whether there are women there or not (club or wherever), and women are the McFlurrys in the analogy. So now I get where you're coming from and why you think I'm being woman-centric in my activities. I agree with you there. You shouldn't live your life in a way where you're constantly seeki…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 06:21 PM
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Guess you haven't seen any women's profile pics this year. I wouldn't know if people talk about dog filters because they're an instant pass from me and I wouldn't expect them to produce coherent sentences anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 05:46 PM
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I was just extending your analogy. It could be any item on the menu, it doesn't really matter which one you want. The point is you're driving to ten locations and leaving with nothing each time. That's the active role yielding better results, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 05:39 PM
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Beats dog filters.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 05:33 PM
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I think we've hit the crux of PPD and possibly RP in general: the active role doesn't yield better results than the passive. It yields about the same quality as the passive, if it yields anything at all. This isn't a just world where effort is more greatly rewarded. I don't see rejection as work because that process takes five seconds. The "work" was everything that led to that point: it was getting in the car and driving to McDonald's to try ordering a McFlurry. No, driving a couple of miles do…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 04:41 PM
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Shit burgers, incompatible. It doesn’t matter. Unsuitable for a relationship is what they all come under. There is a difference, though. Actual shit is bad. It's malevolent, parasitic, and possibly dangerous. "It didn't work out" isn't shit, it's just normal. So this is also a marketing problem because when I hear things like all the men women meet are shit, I'm thinking there's no possible way they're all meeting unemployed, drug addicted, abusive manipulators, they're just meeting men they did…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 04:11 PM
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I was just thinking about this the other day. If you call someone a Nazi, everyone viscerally understands what that means and what has to be done. That's why the Left calling people on the far Right Nazis is such a useful tactic. But what is the Left equivalent of Nazi? Socialist? Communist? People can call themselves those openly without having to worry much. Marxist? Leninist? Stalinist? Maoist? Those terms go way over the heads of average people despite how many died under those particular re…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 03:47 PM
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I'll never be convinced that 95% of men that all women ever seem to run into are actual shit burgers as opposed to just not compatible. Not liking someone doesn't make them shit. Regardless, I'd rather bite 19 shit burgers to find one real burger than to have only three burgers total that took me way more effort to find than her 20 and for all of them to be shit burgers anyway. She will find one good one in 50 matches that popped into her phone while she slept. He will not find a one good one in…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/18 03:35 PM
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I think a guy like this who is desperate not to be seen in a certain way (loser virgin neckbeard?) is going to avoid forming relationships because over time those new friends are going to see him for exactly what he doesn't want to be seen as. The best way for no one to know what you are is to avoid everyone entirely, thus perpetuating the cycle of isolation and neckbeardom.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/18 02:14 PM
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I thought it quite suspicious that the first and most prominent example in the post was the "willpower" to have a 6 pack...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/18 06:54 PM
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Firstly, I haven't complained about a single thing. Secondly, all I did was make an observation to expand on the OP and you chimed in with your "WUTs" and picked a fight with me over a totally benign point I made (which was worded precisely and that you've made no serious counterarguments against so far). Thirdly: I assume you're a human raised in society and not an AI. Sure, no one is being forced by law to seek companionship, but again, I can't believe you're really asking questions like "who …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/18 12:17 PM
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Your question is pretty naive. It's essentially, "how is anyone forcing you to seek out relationships and companionship?" Biology and society have a way of forcing the issue. The male role in dating doesn't even have to be making all the first moves either. Sure, be a guy who never makes first moves: just don't complain when women think you're not interested because you were waiting on them to act first, or when their attraction towards you wanes because being passive isn't how they want or expe…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/18 03:29 AM
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Add to that: as introverts, not only do they loathe "wasted effort," to them it feels like they had to move a mountain and they grow resentful of the male role in general and the fact that they're forced to participate in it. IMO, a lot of the "anger phase" we hear about starts as envy towards women whose role as passive chooser is one they wish they had for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/18 10:27 PM
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Then you're either not looking very hard, or you're being dishonest. What trait do you genuinely think women prefer in men: has lots of sexual experience, or little to none? For men to be dominant, or meek and passive? Do you think they prefer their men to be strong and in control of their emotions, or sensitive and weak? Look deep within your heart. You know the truth. We both know the answer and it sure as hell isn't "there's room for all kinds of men." There isn't. There are certain markers t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/18 01:41 PM
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Toxic masculinity is the reason so many men feel like their worth is attached to the number of girls they have sex with. It's why they feel the need to dominate others, to not appear weak or sensitive, to not talk to people about their problems. What a coincidence. All things women generally select for. Or do you think virgin, weak, sensitive, doormat guys who talk about their problems are really playing the game at the same level?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/18 03:42 AM
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Shyness in men is bad. Quit spreading misinformation. It's like telling someone they should play the lottery instead of getting a job.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/18 04:45 PM
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Frankly I'm not sure you even had a point at all. You came up with some nonsense based exclusively on RP theory and decided that it's the gospel truth. You clearly want to believe that men can't love, which is fine, but don't pretend like your reasoning is based on anything substantial. If you eliminated TRP from your argument you'd have nothing left. It's like if I said women can't love because one time on Twitter I saw a woman say she hates men. If that's how you form your opinions then good l…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/18 06:12 AM
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Everyone has to lower their standards and settle in some ways. No one is perfect. You just don't actually say it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/18 05:57 AM
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Seems like being outwardly masculine isn't as cool these days (which is good) "Which is good?" Excuse me?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/18 05:52 AM
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Yes. The crime isn't how she feels, it's being stupid and oblivious enough to human relationships to think it's an appropriate thing to say. It's the female equivalent of the male virgin saying too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/18 06:16 PM
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I'm not into pop culture at all, and I have male friends who are all over the place: some know a lot, some know even less than I do. IMO it makes virtually no difference. Maybe some women will value it, and some won't care or even notice that you don't have it. My completely anecdotal observation is that the less time people spend on pop culture, the more they've got going on in their lives. I know busy, professional women who spend all their free time watching E! so it's not a hard rule by any …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/18 04:17 PM
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How can anyone claim a man can truly devote himself to a woman when it's his imperative to find other women. Men are much more objectifying. You're applying female sensibilities to male sexuality. Objectification by definition means to "present as an object; make objective." Emotions and devotion are not objective. Men don't always emotionally invest in who we sleep with and you're not able to wrap your brain around this. It often gets said that women want to leech off a man's career, but I woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/18 03:56 PM
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Of course they should be treated the same. Different laws for different classes of people is literally "no coloreds allowed." More than just that: the law is supposed to be fair, unbiased and objective. What you want is an advantage for your class just because. What if the man is smaller than the woman? What if the woman is trained in martial arts, or has military experience? What if the man is elderly? What if the woman takes the man by surprise? Do we institute weight classes for abuse cases? …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/18 02:45 AM
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I suspect the ulterior motive behind this question, or at least the unwritten part that will attract the incel crowd, is the "gotcha!" moment to fuel the idea that women will win in life (or at least romantically) regardless of their personal failings; that things like status, social competence, shyness, and other personality disorders are things that disproportionately affect men's romantic interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/18 05:49 PM
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I understand how strong the urge can be to get with a co-worker. Sometimes there's good chemistry and you just can't help yourself. And sometimes they turn out OK. But ideally you should diversify your social life so that you have other places to shit. The temptation of hooking up with a co-worker is stronger if you've got nothing else going on.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/18 08:39 PM
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I'm curious about this literature. Does that mean aggressive/narcissistic men have more sex because of how active and persistent they are, or because they're actually selected by women at a higher rate than the control group?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/18 05:22 PM
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Being shy, introverted, or in any way not outgoing is the cardinal sin of being male. IMO it doesn't matter where you fall on the morality axis so long as you're out there and engaging people. It so happens that "nice guys" typically fear the judgments of others, and so they fall into the trap of being passive which is not a game men can play.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/18 07:42 PM
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Terrible.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/18 04:01 PM
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Terrible.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/18 03:40 PM
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TRP in summary.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/18 03:17 PM
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It's refreshing to see a female incel complaining about being insufficiently attractive and making terrible arguments. It's good to have diversity.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/18 02:06 AM
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Dating online? Not as bad as RP claims, but they're definitely on an uneven playing field. That same average man being outgoing and socially active is going to do fine for himself in real life if he puts a tiny bit of effort into his presentation, isn't completely awkward, has a good attitude, and doesn't shoot for women who aren't either his looks-match or his personality-match. In other words: if he acts like a rational human, he'll get the same result as most other rational humans. The issue …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/18 05:40 PM
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I thought those things also come with the risk of being drugged, the implicit assumption that you don't know anything cars (which is likely right) followed by them trying to scam you, and getting hit on by rude customers. People look at these things and come away with totally different ideas, and there's no consensus even among women whether they're good or bad. From what I can tell it feels more like dumb luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/18 07:29 PM
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I'm pretty skeptical, myself. I was buying it up until this bit: they only want the best men — the rest are trampled on like garbage. It’s truly awful that we don’t want so many men and send them on their way to the sexless scrap heap. An average man has to work very hard to get a woman to take him seriously and a below average man is the subject of scorn. If it is a woman, then it's one who is clearly up to speed on incel talking points and quite sympathetic to them. Edit: and her stock photo i…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/18 03:58 PM
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Not commenting on the studies either way. But frankly, I'm skeptical that any study which concludes women are worse at leadership than men would ever be allowed to see the light of day, especially from the Canadian university system. It's an existential crisis for progressives.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/18 04:08 PM
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I suspect increasing numbers of women feel this way, what with the cultural narrative. This might be true, but in this case OP made absolutely no effort to back up their claims and is just jerking off into their text editor. Absolutely in bad faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 10:12 PM
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Have you been to a construction site at any point in your life? I don't mean having seen a picture of one on Google Images. You think machines do all the lifting? Lmao. And you're bringing technology into it which completely defeats the purpose of this thought experiment. I could argue anything I want to given the loose parameters you've set. For example: if we had sex robots and artificial wombs then we wouldn't need women. Poof, gender inequality problem solved and the world would be a "better…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/18 10:07 PM
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The SMP has never been in favor of men, so I'm not sure what influence I ever had? Sex has always been used to influence men, since time immemorial. And I'm highly skeptical of this idea that either sex is "going their own way" or is at all free of being influenced by the other. I also can't relate to this caring about how women are dressed example. I've heard so many talking points over the years and this one is just baffling and frivolous. Would've been nice to hear some more substantial examp…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/18 07:12 AM
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And underwear hidden beneath your clothing or toe nail polish under your shoes has no bearing on how dateable you are, neither does the quality of your nails or the length of your cuticles, or the roots of your hair or anything else you think men notice or care about. I get that women are held to higher standards of beauty than men. I'm not saying don't spend anything at all. But the things listed by that other poster are way beyond what is actually necessary, and in some cases not even visible.…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/18 07:04 PM
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In the way "dating" is being used here, I'm assuming we're talking about roughly first to fifth dates with different people. Someone you've just met once or twice doesn't know what dresses you own. And if he's in a position to see your underwear then you're already attractive enough for him and he's not going to give even the slightest shit how expensive your underwear is, not that he's in such a position most of the time anyway which makes the underwear purchase even more wasteful. You can't co…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/18 07:09 AM
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I agree. This list sounds completely ridiculous. Why on earth would anyone spend that much on a date with people you barely know? A bikini wax, expensive lingerie, and new dresses on a monthly cycle? Lol. You know how incels say things like "You need to be 7 feet tall with chiseled abs and a million dollar yearly income to succeed as a man?" This sounds like the female version.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/18 01:23 AM
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When it comes to dating, sex, relationships and marriage, all the scales favour women. I can accept this premise as true for the aforementioned reasons. It's just that the scales aren't that imbalanced enough to justify what incels ultimately become. Most of the things they complain about are within their control (including the act of complaining) and the things that aren't in their control are problems most people have to deal with in some form. I feel like they'd be just as angry about other t…
/r/MensRights30/04/18 08:54 PM
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Check out this bit on the Mosuo: The Mosuo themselves may also often use the description matriarchal, which they believe increases interest in their culture and thus attracts tourism.[4] However, the terms matrilineal and matriarchal do not reflect the full complexity of their social organization. In fact, it is not easy to categorize Mosuo culture within traditional Western definitions. They have aspects of a matriarchal culture: women are often the head of the house, inheritance is through the…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/18 07:13 PM
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I had a feeling they would still be living in huts and throwing rocks. As you said before, it's only barely functional and asks a lot of the society in order for it to work which makes me wonder how anyone could ever believe that it's the natural order of things unless there's some political or emotional motives. BTW, at first glance some of those are matrilineal (names and possessions passed through the mother) but not necessarily matriarchal.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/18 06:37 PM
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There are matriarchal societies today that have survived in relative poverty for centuries What are some examples? I can't think of any genuine matriarchies offhand. I don't mean as a microcosm in a larger society (like black, inner-city single moms). If universal policy is the standard in which you define validity to study a culture, then studying patriarchy would be similarly invalid. This is a good point, and you're right, I'm not entirely sure how I feel about patriarchy in an academic sense…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/18 05:56 PM
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You haven't actually demonstrated anything, nor do we agree on the premise of society moving in that direction. Also, there isn't anything to study. Communist countries are a thing that actually happened and that we have records of (and we have living people who experienced them). There's virtually no evidence of humanity ever having been universally matriarchal, so there's nothing to actually learn from it and its truth (if it were so) would be trivia because of how little we actually have the …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/18 05:30 PM
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It does sound irrelevant, because if that's the way society is moving towards being (and I'm not saying that it is, one way or the other) then how it used to be 10,000 years ago doesn't matter. The modern world would've completely flipped the former matriarchal world on its head, and whatever world technology brings us tomorrow will also do the same to us. Attempts at rewriting (pre-)history to make women the ones with power just reeks of sour grapes and pettiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/18 05:09 PM
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Matriarchal prehistory is virtually impossible to prove because by definition we have no records. It's also hard to accept that matriarchies existed all over the world and then just vanished. I also have a hard time believing humans by and large would universally, across time and cultures, consider women to be the leaders of their societies as opposed to the more aggressive men who do the actual fighting and can take leadership for themselves. That's my personal and unscientific opinion, anyway.…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/18 04:47 PM
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It's one of their super powers. You didn't know that?
/r/MensRights27/04/18 09:36 PM
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It's a good question, but framing it specifically about sex proposition is going to result in knee-jerk reactions from women who don't value sex (due to its abundance, risks, or their physiology). Ideally this question would challenge women to consider what it would be like to constantly initiate and face romantic rejection, in order to better understand a paradigm they likely can't relate with.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/18 04:06 PM
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I've seen women describing car talk and sports talk as vapid plenty of times. But I don't want to get into stereotypes about what the sexes enjoy as hobbies because the issue isn't what hobbies people are allowed to have, but how intellectually idle they're allowed to be without facing consequences from the opposite sex. The way I see it is women are punished for being "too good" and men punished for not being good enough, but being too good takes a hell of a lot more work. Notice my own choice …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/18 03:47 PM
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Having grown up with older sisters, I understand the amount of work that women put into their looks -- and I also believe that, by and large, they put far more into the process than is strictly necessary. I've seen this time and again both with my siblings and with women I've been in relationships with: "false lashes and tanned skin" (going with your given examples) are not only unnecessary, I personally think they're a repellant. I'll absolutely agree that on average women work harder on their …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/18 02:26 PM
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Those things are just baseline requirements to have any chance of success as a man, and are totally optional for a woman. Sure, I'd much rather be those things than not. But it's like asking if you'd rather dedicate a lifetime of energy for a marginal improvement in your personal life versus having it naturally from your youth.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/18 01:12 PM
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I personally don't mind the phrase, although I find it highly suspicious that those particular words were chosen rather than something less ambiguous and inflammatory. The issue some of us have isn't with the idea of toxic masculinity, per se, it's with the amount of press toxic men get compared to toxic women, and with how quickly the conversation gets shut down when it's women on the hot seat. It's a symptom of a much greater problem. As an aside: let's not pretend like "masculinity = toxic" i…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/18 12:48 PM
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Men generally open up emotionally more to women than to other men because women tend to respond much more positively. Women are conditioned to respond more positively to emotional openness, I'll grant you that, but that doesn't mean they're attracted to that trait in men in the context of romantic and sexual relationships. This is one of the biggest reasons I consider myself purple. RP has it right here: all the political ideologies in the world won't change our fundamental natures, and in pract…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/18 02:26 PM
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I have no idea what you keep saying on this sub, I'm just replying to what I saw posted. You wrote a hell of a lot, but it's all just rehashing the same points you made to begin with which was assumptions about the selflessness of women and the selfishness of men and the "ease" with which they date. You expanded on them with some personal anecdotes, but it's still the same thing. You have no idea what went on between these people. It's like when RP guys say "women only like Chad," only this is t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/18 10:12 PM
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Lots of white knighting and assumptions being made here. but having more options doesn't mean those options are good. Most male options are bad and most female options are good, got it. Women are reasonable about what they want. Really? But the thing is that most young men aren't really all that loyal to begin with Really? Because of how low women's standards for men are Really? just because a woman is attractive it doesn't mean she's going to get attention Is that right? Women don't get enough …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/18 08:29 PM
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Women don't have supernatural anything detectors. Don't believe this idea that women are more "in tune" socially than men are. Whatever it is you're doing is likely pretty blatant and it's bad enough to make women lose interest in a jacked 6'4 guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/18 01:55 PM
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Y'know, AMALT is taught to women from a young age almost universally. "Men literally only want one thing." Be careful who you go home with. Never leave your drink unattended. "Any man can be a potential rapist" has been spoken by feminists more times than I can count. "Rape is most likely to be done by men closest to you." Don't give out your number to strange men. Always meet men in public areas. The concept of social proof exists as a layer of defense for women. And so on. None of these things…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/18 12:29 AM
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There's also "others shouldn't be imposed upon, period," irrespective of gender or sexuality. I've been guilty of this myself at times: I just don't want to talk to anyone and incorrectly assume that others feel the same way. It's just a general feeling of rudeness. This is obviously wrong because if that were true the whole world would be silent. And I hardly ever object to a good chat, especially not with attractive women, so the same holds true for others as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/18 11:18 PM
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The gut reaction is to take it as "I am personally being accused of rape right now," which is obviously false but it's not hard to understand how someone could view it that way. Onto the subject of AMALT: as a man, I'm expected to initiate and lead at every step of the encounter. What that means is I'm held accountable regardless of the outcome. Saying men have a "tendency towards rape" might be true, but so is saying that men have a "tendency to not talk to women because they're afraid of enter…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/18 03:44 PM
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Not that I'm well-read on dating advice for either sex, but the little I've observed usually assumes a woman's already got a guy on the hook. Male advice is more about how to be attractive to women in general; the focus is more on finding someone at all. Or maybe it just seems that way due to the demographics of the manosphere?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/18 08:11 PM
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The kind of guy who thinks like this has had awful luck with women most of his (likely short) life and views women as judges looking down on him from their mountaintops, dispensing sex and intimacy to only those they deem worthy while he goes through life cold, hungry, powerless and alone. Naturally, this outlook leads to the attitude that women should be "brought down a peg."
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/18 03:02 AM
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I think a lot of men resent having to put in effort in the mating dance This is more true than you might even realize. RP exists almost entirely because of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/18 12:03 AM
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Not for the most part.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/18 02:13 AM
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My thoughts exactly. She took the most common RP/MGTOW talking points and switched the sexes. I can't tell if this is a serious attempt at intellectual discourse or just lols during work hours.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/18 09:03 PM
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about her experiences dating incels and beta nerds. Many of us were skeptical of these "experiences," because she comes off sounding like a troll preying on male insecurity. Even if she's being honest about a tenth of what she claims, her attitude makes me doubt that these issues she faced weren't entirely created by her own attitude. It's not cool when incels and RP do it to women, and it's not any better when the tables get flipped. If she has any desire at all to be taken seriously and in goo…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/18 06:32 PM
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For all the emphasis men place on physical appearance, in practical terms we're not difficult to satisfy. The average woman is still in a much stronger position than her average male counterpart.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/18 11:59 PM
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Well that's the crux of this issue: can it really expand? RP says no: it's all relative to the other men in the set, and to be considered "good enough" you must be in the top 20% of the group even if the worst man is still normally considered attractive. A woman's goal is to say "I got the best one in the group," not merely "I got a good one," which is the more objective goal that men shoot for, and that most women would prefer walking out alone than with a sub-optimal man. Note that this isn't …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/18 11:53 PM
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I'm hardly an expert on RP dogma, but I think what they believe is that "top 20%" is a static value and that, yes, five guys improving themselves displaces five guys who were already in the top-20. The idea is that their attractiveness was entirely relative to where they fall in the hierarchy, and if five guys get better then five other guys no longer make the cut. Those five who got displaced didn't change in any way, there are just too many other men who are now "better." If we take what you'r…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/18 02:36 PM
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My thoughts exactly. This came off as sounding like a deliberate attempt to provoke RP's most common (and vulnerable) demographic rather than being a genuine real life experience. It's like going into TwoX and rattling off a list of "scientific" reasons why women shouldn't be allowed in the workplace. I'm gonna call fake news on this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/18 02:53 PM
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and yet, paying for several dates with no sex in return isn't considered to be degrading to the man himself. It absolutely is in some circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/18 07:41 PM
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You're right in a general sense that women select for men who aren't afraid of taking social risks, but it's hard to defend guys like Harvey Weinstein as simply "lacking social acuity." What they do is crossing the line by a country mile and in many cases also premeditated.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/18 07:19 PM
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Women are as smart Agreed. if not smarter. Now why did you have to go and ruin a good thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/18 05:04 AM
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I totally understand the emotional part of this problem and I wish we didn't live in a world where prenups were necessary. But the way I look at it is, if she knows me well enough to have agreed to marry me, then she should be expecting this kind of logical decision-making from me. If it takes her by surprise or upsets her then that's a huge flag that she doesn't know what she's getting with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/18 06:20 PM
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Why is it that I never hear women talking about the upsides to having "$25k"? As others have already stated, it's tone deaf to complain about having money in front of poor people. I don't want to downplay the stress of having your personal space invaded. Even in Dave Chappelle's situation I'd have a better chance of defending myself than the typical woman would. With that said, physical safety is a non-issue because violent crime is at historically low levels. There's never been a safer time to …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/18 01:36 AM
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Former network engineer myself. Content providers are also corporations, so evilness isn't the issue here given that all involved parties are equally evil given that equation. ISPs are the 'bad guys' because I can pick and choose what content providers I want to do business with, but I can't choose what ISPs I do business with because infrastructure is a very finite resource and I have only one option where I live. Even in cases where you have a few ISPs they're still piggybacking off a tier 1 p…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/18 12:44 AM
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I'm sure there's some astroturfing but that doesn't mean popular support is entirely artificial. There's a battle of titans going on and one side happens to be on the moral high ground (even if for selfish reasons). I'd rather those companies fight for NN because they benefit from it than to lose it entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/18 02:22 AM
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You can't convince me the net neutrality crap getting spammed everywhere was organic. If it was inorganic, then who was behind it? NN is already an extremely popular position on Reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/18 12:21 AM
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we are just rarely attracted to "men" in the abstract, or focused on appealing to "men" as a general category of people, in the same way a lot of guys seem to be attracted to "women." Is it because you're not attracted to "men" in the abstract, or because sexual attraction towards yourselves is so abundant that it's not something you ever have to think about?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 07:15 PM
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What are your specific issues with the book, besides not liking Robert Greene and his tone? I read it way before RP was a thing. Every chapter has historical examples of people who followed, broke, and subverted his rules. You might disagree with his conclusions (and some have said the rules conflict with each other) but I don't think lack of qualifications is an issue. Appealing to authority is a logical fallacy. And anyway, as others have already said: be skeptical and don't blindly accept eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/18 04:59 PM
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Women often fake liking a man to get him to pay for her dinner? I can't believe how obvious this counterargument is and yet how often it gets forgotten when this topic comes up. It's a massive blindspot.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/18 01:21 AM
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The desire to spin plates yes, but the term is pretty clever.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 01:27 PM
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The angry, sexless male stereotype comes from guys who look at one small subset of women, the young and most attractive ones who have the easiest time finding partners, and want that privilege for themselves. I think it often stems from extreme shyness, which in their defense is a trait only women are allowed to have. They then conclude that life for those women must be smooth sailing due to this singular advantage. I get where they're coming from. For us the romantic process is hard work and we…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 01:16 PM
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Not a red pill, but you're making a mistake in assuming that your kids will actually be there for you in your old age. They might, or they might not. I hesitate to have kids just as an insurance policy especially in our society that doesn't much value the elderly.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 08:01 AM
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Not saying that I agree with your premise, but I could make the counterargument that a woman's attraction to us becomes biased over time by other factors such as our personality, status and income. Getting laid regularly by different women removes all other forms of influence except raw sex appeal. And with how difficult casual sex is for most of us to even get, even one success counts for a lot. For a woman, casual sex just means she was physically present; for us, it means we moved mountains.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/18 07:46 AM
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I know this post is two days old and downvoted into oblivion, but I felt compelled to respond to your insanity anyway. No way in hell does social pressure have anything to do with it. Unless you're an extreme outlier (which you seem to be), no guy is going to prefer a fat woman over an average one. If anything, there's more shame brought down on guys who believe in "no fat chicks" than there is for dating a fat chick. Guys rib on each other for everything, including just normal sexual preference…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/17 10:24 PM
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I didn't say universal, but definitely not uncommon. And the male equivalent of height pickiness doesn't exist at all, which is the point I was responding to. Guys not wanting to date someone taller isn't the same as women wanting men much taller than themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/17 09:43 PM
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My quoted text doesn't alter your meaning at all. Every child created by a man, sex-crazed or not, was also created by a woman, but women's responsibility was curiously absent from your statement. Anyway, a condom prevents pregnancy (usually), it doesn't negate it. That's the crux of this whole debate: both sexes have tools to prevent pregnancy, but only women can do something about it after it happens. Since both parties were equally responsible for conception, but only women have the power to …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/17 06:07 AM
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What men need to do is develop a stronger backbone and not get caught up in the pressures put upon them to have sex at all costs. Men make themselves susceptible to "virgin shaming," or being called "fag" or "pussy" if they're not getting laid regularly. Does this argument apply to women, also? Can we tell slut-shamed women to grow a backbone and stop being susceptible to humiliation? I'm OK with it so long as we apply the same standard to everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/17 05:28 AM
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As a male I don't know why any of us would ever agree to an open relationship. In practice it would mean she's poly and I'm still mono.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/17 11:04 PM
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I know I'm late to this party... society is ultimately responsible for the many, many children created by sex crazed men You mean created by normal men and women who wanted to get their rocks off, and brought to term exclusively by the will of a woman. I could equally say they're created by baby-crazed women. With great power comes great responsibility. If a woman has the literal power of life and death, then why should she not also be saddled with the responsibilities that result from not exerc…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/17 10:56 PM
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I'm here because feminism and the social changes that have resulted from it is a major topic of our times and I want to form a stronger opinion, for my own enrichment, by coming to a place where people debate the issue. I also read RP, BP, XX, dating forums, etc, but those subs are just safe spaces for one side or the other to jerk (or rub) themselves so they're not as interesting. Mostly, though, it's just that I'm bored at work. If I actually wanted to find a solution and change the world I wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/17 04:55 PM
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For sure there's some of that going on. I just consider that point to be more of a high-minded idealism that isn't as responsible for provoking the kind of visceral and emotional response that we see to a man not acting like a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/17 07:52 PM
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It's like I said in that same topic from yesterday: it has absolutely nothing -- zero -- to do with legality. It would still be horrific in their eyes even if legal, regulated, and safe for all parties. It's entirely because of gender roles and the man's inability to live up to them. A real man is experienced, and a naturally good lover who would never need to resort to paying for sex. It pains me to agree with RP, but in this case I'm gonna have to borrow some of their terminology. I believe th…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/17 04:36 PM
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There's definitely also some of that "getting laid isn't hard for me, so it must not be hard for anyone" mentality at play.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/17 05:54 PM
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I already know he’s not socially bankrupt; there must be another reason he decided to pay for sex. That's where it gets a little tricky because now you're talking about someone who got past your vetting process. I don't claim to have all the answers, just some guesses based on the responses I've seen women giving. It makes you feel like your vetting process is flawed and you allowed in a deplorable. Think of it this way: would you feel comfortable if you found out your boyfriend had past involve…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/17 05:37 PM
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I feel kind of out of place not knowing the lingo here. But anyway, I meant it when I said I'm nothing. I hold both blue and red positions (more blue), but what happens is when my opinion leans blue there's already a hundred other people who have commented with what I was going to say. When it leans red, my opinion is more likely to stand out. I find that any position that doesn't put women in the best light is automatically considered red. This is my honest opinion based on discussions I've had…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/17 03:40 PM
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I'm not understanding this thread. I'm blue pill by default? And what does it matter what pill I am?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/17 03:28 PM
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I'm not anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/17 03:02 PM
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I've seen this question pop up many times with regards to men. Women often put up a front citing disgust over abuse that exists within the profession, but this negative reaction is just a proxy for learning that the man was, or possibly still is, socially bankrupt. That he had to resort to prostitution because he wasn't good enough to get laid on his own. Essentially, he has failed to live up to his gender role and failed as a man. Basically, it's OK if you're with the guys at a bachelor party b…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/17 02:38 PM
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That women can be any height lower than the man, but men must be much taller than the woman. I thought this was pretty obvious? It's what I said two posts ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/17 06:41 PM
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Agreed. I don't think pills of any color would even exist if it wasn't for sad guys sulking. But this is purple pill debate, after all, and in general there is definitely a double standard at play here with regards to male height. They might be sulking, but they do have a point.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/17 05:32 PM
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There's a difference, though. Men might not like a woman taller than themselves, but I've never heard of a guy listing a maximum height requirement on his dating profile or even really caring about such things. A guy with a girl 1 inch shorter than himself is fine for the guy, but the girl will typically demand a guy 6+ inches taller than herself. My unsubstantiated opinion is that guys care only about the girl for her own sake, whereas the girl cares about how the guy ranks compared to other me…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/17 05:09 PM
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She might perhaps, one day far into the indeterminate future, become a doctor, and maybe there's the slim, outside chance that she'll be a "great" one. But today she's a violent sociopath walking free.
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