Rosenthorne Archive

Upvotes	Title	Category	Author	Subreddit	Date (UTC)
41	A cautionary tale: Joe Rogan and Dave Foley discuss marriage		Rosenthorne	/r/MensRights	12/11/13 08:13 PM

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6	Joe Rogan interviews TYT's Ana Kasparian. The two discuss the MRM and MRAs. Link some of these videos, please. I've seen other co-hosts mock the idea of male rape victims: Jimmy Dore, Wes Clark, and some feminist guest hosts whose names I can't remember. Cenk used to do it as well, although he seems to be changing his mind. But from what I recall, Ana has always argued that male victims of rape are a real problem that needs more attention.	/r/MensRights	15/11/13 06:47 PM
1	A cautionary tale: Joe Rogan and Dave Foley discuss marriage except that's precisely what you are saying when you talk about "female privilege". you are saying that they are privileges enjoyed by women as a gender No. You're leaving out a critical part of my argument. There definitely are instances where all people of a certain gender have advantages, but I'm not saying all women benefit from all forms of female privilege all the time. I don't know why you keep interpreting it that way. There are circumstances where women have advantages over men, and whe…	/r/MensRights	13/11/13 08:27 PM
3	A cautionary tale: Joe Rogan and Dave Foley discuss marriage and yet there's sexism against many women in many ways as well. Yes, exactly! Those would be examples of male privilege. when you generalise people as castes and say "this general group of people has is better-off in general than this general group of people" whether intentionally or unintentionally, you are sowing animosity between those two groups of people. Except that's not what I'm saying at all. Nowhere am I making blanket statements that are meant to apply to all men or all women everywhe…	/r/MensRights	13/11/13 07:10 AM
6	A cautionary tale: Joe Rogan and Dave Foley discuss marriage you're perpetuating that attitude that a person is inherently better-off just for being a certain gender In certain cases, people are better off just for being a certain gender. This is not some vague, subjective theory like "patriarchy" or "internalized oppression" that only exists on tumblr. Gender, class, and race privilege (among others) can all be demonstrated, quantified, and proven. For example, the U.S. justice system's anti-male bias has been well-documented, but not widely reported. Wo…	/r/MensRights	13/11/13 05:40 AM
18	A cautionary tale: Joe Rogan and Dave Foley discuss marriage I'm sorry? How does mocking the idea that female privilege doesn't exist count as "going on about 'gender privilege'"?	/r/MensRights	12/11/13 10:39 PM
25	A cautionary tale: Joe Rogan and Dave Foley discuss marriage This podcast has been posted before, but I think it's important enough to bring up again. It's worth watching the whole thing (especially if you're a fan of Newsradio), but their discussion on marriage starts at around 33:00. Some highlights: Dave Foley's ex-wife basically spent their money faster than he earned it. Some of her expenses included two koi ponds (she didn't like where the first one was located) and extended vacations that forced Foley to travel to Africa just to see his kids. Foley…	/r/MensRights	12/11/13 08:30 PM
3	MRA's, please don't do this! What other groups within MRA do you think give us a bad name? To be fair, probably 98 percent of everything built to date was built by men. This is not true. I linked this in an earlier post, but female laborers - including females in construction - were quite common throughout history. (source) Women have been idle throughout most of human history when it comes to public works, large-scale construction and science. That's not sexist, that's simply repeating what every history book ever written anywhere holds to be fact. Please state a few of the history b…	/r/MensRights	04/11/13 03:36 AM
2	MRA's, please don't do this! What other groups within MRA do you think give us a bad name? But that wasn't my point at all. There's a huge difference between "offensive" and "bigoted". Saying women shouldn't work in construction because they're physically weaker than men is offensive and politically incorrect, but at least there's a debate to be had there. Saying women have been idle throughout most of human history and that men have created practically everything that ever existed is blatantly, objectively sexist (not to mention completely wrong). Rewarding people who argue the latte…	/r/MensRights	04/11/13 01:35 AM
4	MRA's, please don't do this! What other groups within MRA do you think give us a bad name? Sure, but I wouldn't call that censorship. People in this sub are still free to express whatever opinions they want, regardless of how extreme they are. Censorship would be if the mods started deleting posts that were too offensive, or whenever feminists complained enough. Having a post downvoted isn't censorship or exclusion, it's the community expressing disagreement with what you've said (at least, that's how I view it).	/r/MensRights	04/11/13 12:10 AM
–	MRA's, please don't do this! What other groups within MRA do you think give us a bad name? How was I chiding him? I said upfront that I agree feminists need to call out bigots and treat MRA's with respect. I didn't accuse him of being a bigot, or demand that he watch his language - I pointed out that bigots exist within our ranks just as much as feminism (which this thread has so conveniently shown), and we should be willing to call them out as well. Are you arguing that downvoting extremists in the MRM counts as censoring ourselves to please feminists?	/r/MensRights	04/11/13 12:06 AM
–	MRA's, please don't do this! What other groups within MRA do you think give us a bad name? It becomes a witch hunt, with comments closely scrutinized and censored to be as bland as a 5th-grade etiquette class. Whenever we censor ourselves and each other to please the feminists, we lose ground. Please cite a few examples of this happening.	/r/MensRights	03/11/13 11:19 PM
–	MRA's, please don't do this! What other groups within MRA do you think give us a bad name? Good idea. Let's look at a few examples throughout history: Hatshepsut ordered and oversaw the construction of The Temple of Karnak, the Temple of Pakhet, and Djeser-Djeseru, among many other projects - some of which were so monumental that later pharaohs tried to take credit for them. Theodora, along with Justinian I, rebuilt the entire city of Constantinople. In addition to numerous other projects, she was responsible for the construction of the Hagia Sophia. Turhan Hatice Sultan built two for…	/r/MensRights	03/11/13 08:35 PM
1	I am a feminist and I say we are the same. You probably didn't start conversations with feminists by telling them they all live in a matriarchy but you still really really care about their problems. True, but that doesn't make it ok for certain people to mock, belittle, and dismiss the OP, especially when she seems willing to have a conversation about it. Gina Luttrell wrote an excellent article about how snarky insults and hateful circlejerks are turning potential allies away from feminism. Rather than trying to understand an opponent's…	/r/MensRights	21/10/13 07:07 PM
6	I am a feminist and I say we are the same. It's disappointing to see aggressive backlash instead of thoughtful discussion, but I'd point out that an MRA posting in feminist spaces would probably get a similar response. That's why our movements will never be able to work together on anything. Many of us would have no problems collaborating on issues that negatively affect men and women, but there are subsets in both our movements who are hell-bent on never letting that happen. I, and plenty of other people in the MRM, wouldn't mind having…	/r/MensRights	21/10/13 06:20 PM
6	How do feminists hurt women? /r/tfts has an answer Like the commenter says, women need to get over the small stuff and stop trying to find ways to be offended, and save their outrage for the real sexists. What I find especially infuriating about stuff like this is that society treats it like a female-specific problem. I'm a nurse, and the amount of sexism my male co-workers face is insane. So many people (patients and staff alike) just automatically assume they're gay, and treat them accordingly. Some women even think that a man being a nurse gi…	/r/MensRights	05/10/13 06:02 PM
6	Big red isn't happy ( xpost tumblrinaction) Seriously. I'm (fairly) sure they're just a small minority of the MRM, but we're already fighting an uphill battle thanks to society's perceptions of men/masculinity and the entrenched nature of feminism. Shit like this just gives people more reason to dismiss the movement as a bunch of angry, bitter conservatives who want to bash women.	/r/MensRights	30/09/13 05:18 PM
10	How pervasive is feminism among women? I posted this in another thread, but this article has a good breakdown of the numbers: According to the survey, just 20 percent of Americans -- including 23 percent of women and 16 percent of men -- consider themselves feminists. Another 8 percent consider themselves anti-feminists, while 63 percent said they are neither. ... The gulf between the percentage of people who identify as feminists and the percentage who believe in the equality of the sexes may be partly due to a branding problem for …	/r/MensRights	24/09/13 04:36 PM
16	TIL That all Feminists are like that Most women casually and conveniently identify as feminists. No, HalfysReddit got it right. 3 out of 4 women do not call themselves feminists, and people are overall more likely to consider "feminist" a negative label than a positive one. (source) Take 90% or better of women in the US, UK, and Canada and stick them in a NOW party. Ask them in front of everyone if they're a feminist. They'll say "yes", even if they don't mean it so as not to inspire the ire of the herd. That's an asinine argument.…	/r/MensRights	23/09/13 09:47 PM
6	Tumblr Delivers Wrong. You can go to jail for forcing someone to have sex with you against their will. Sexual coercion may or may not fall under this, since there's no universal definition for it. (source) Let me try a different context. If a salesman uses aggressive tactics, misleading (but not false!) promises, and selective information, those can result in someone making a purchase they didn't really want. That's coercion, but it's legal. If that same salesman puts a gun to someone's head and orders them to …	/r/MensRights	22/09/13 06:31 PM
11	Tumblr Delivers There's a difference between "pressured" and "forced".	/r/MensRights	22/09/13 05:52 PM
9	After yesterdays article about cracked.coms feminist leaning they post this I've only seen one source for it, which is this idiotic video that won't stop showing up in my inbox. I've pointed out the problems with it before, so here's the short version: No credible sources. No verifiable claims. Vague, guilt-by-association connections. A CV that directly contradicts Anita's known history. An archived version of a defunct website with no names attached to it. It's Glenn Beck-level stuff. If someone has legitimate proof that she's been embezzling money, that would be great…	/r/MensRights	19/09/13 04:46 PM
3	How can a feminist work together with the MRM? (xpost from /r/FeMRADebates) it's silly to suggest that we should treat the mainstream the same as the exceptions I was mostly referring to the people who try to claim that Hoff Sommers no longer calls herself a feminist. But to address your point, I'm not trying to say that she represents all feminists, or that she isn't a rare exception. You're right on both of those. I'm saying that feminists like her exist, so it's absurd to automatically denounce everyone who calls themselves a feminist. As Hoff Sommers proves, at leas…	/r/MensRights	17/09/13 10:24 PM
3	How can a feminist work together with the MRM? (xpost from /r/FeMRADebates) While I agree with you, I'd also point out that it works both ways. Usually when these sorts of questions pop up, some people from the MRM come in and make all kinds of generalizations about feminism (some legitimate, but mostly baseless), bash anyone who identifies with feminism in any way (while pretending major MRM figures like Christina Hoff Sommers don't call themselves feminists), and put out absurd statements like "feminism draws its ideas directly from Marxism" (which shows a hilariously…	/r/MensRights	17/09/13 07:21 PM
94	Man injured on car accident. He goes to get help. Female resident is fearful. Man gets shot 10 times by police. What's especially sickening is that if Ferrell didn't have a minor degree of fame from being an A&M football player, we probably never would have heard about his murder. He would just be another violent thug who terrorized a poor white girl and assaulted the police. It's funny how men are about 27 times more likely to be killed by the police, yet it seems like we're much more likely to see outrage, investigation, and punishment when a woman gets shot by the police	/r/MensRights	17/09/13 06:54 PM
2	Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogical It is about rape, albeit indirectly. There weren't many scientific studies about the psychology behind sexual harassment when this paper was written, so the author used information about rape to support her arguments. She explains this about half-way through the paper: No studies were readily available that explained how sexual harassers target their victims. However, there is information about who is more likely to be targeted for sexual harassment. Interestingly, it parallels what is known abo…	/r/MensRights	15/09/13 10:43 PM
8	Found a picture of the example I use trying to explain logic to the illogical You would be wrong. Although society has embraced the myth that revealing clothing provokes rapists, it's actually the opposite: While people perceive dress to have an impact on who is assaulted, studies of rapists suggest that victim attire is not a significant factor. Instead, rapists look for signs of passiveness and submissiveness, which, studies suggest, are more likely to coincide with more body-concealing clothing. (source)	/r/MensRights	15/09/13 07:16 PM
1	What does /r/MensRights Think of Women-Only Subway & Train Cars? (article) Ah, ok. Sorry about the misunderstanding - I thought you were challenging my entire argument, not just the partial stats. I've edited it to correct the BBC figure too, thanks for pointing that out.	/r/MensRights	10/09/13 10:32 PM
4	What does /r/MensRights Think of Women-Only Subway & Train Cars? (article) I can't find any official crime statistics in English, so here's the best I could do: "Police in Tokyo make between 1,500 and 1,800 arrests a year, and have recorded more than 700 cases in the first six months of this year. More than 50% of victims are women in their 20s, and about a third are teenage girls." (source) If you can find a source showing men are just as likely to be victims of groping as women, I will happily rescind my statement. Or maybe someone could translate the relevant Tokyo …	/r/MensRights	10/09/13 09:27 PM
7	Something that really bothers me are articles aimed towards video games/movies that are about this. If video games were so inherently sexist and male oriented, why is the female segment increasing? To go along with what you said, it's because most female gamers don't care enough about this to stop playing. Yeah, we'll roll our eyes at chainmail bikinis and fighters with impossible boobs and military uniforms that look like schoolgirl outfits. But ultimately most of us either accept it as part of the medium, or openly embrace it as a female power fantasy. Despite what the guy writing this artic…	/r/MensRights	10/09/13 08:45 PM
11	What does /r/MensRights Think of Women-Only Subway & Train Cars? (article) I think you're oversimplifying things. In Tokyo alone, for instance, more than 6,000 people were arrested in one year for either groping or taking unsolicited photographs, and about 2/3 of women had been groped at least once (source). In a one-week span back in 2010, 78 incidents of groping were reported, 49 men were arrested, and 29 of them had prior convictions for groping or molestation (source). So if that's the only metric we're using, then you're right. It wouldn't be ok to have a men-only…	/r/MensRights	10/09/13 07:34 PM
6	Prostitution, a vast majority female crime, is now considered "human trafficking" perpetrated by men. So there's this woman. Her parent(s) physically, emotionally, and sexually abused her, so she runs away when she's 14. She gets picked up by a pimp, who preys on girls like her because he knows they've got nowhere to go. The pimp gets her hooked on heroin to makes sure she'll keep coming back, and threatens to go Jack the Ripper on her if she ever talks to the cops. Nine years later she has infections and abscesses all over her body, and is so strung out that johns aren't interested in her any m…	/r/MensRights	04/09/13 12:55 AM
20	Prostitution, a vast majority female crime, is now considered "human trafficking" perpetrated by men. The idea of pimps forcing women to prostitute is so beyond the reality that I know that it further cements in my mind how society is deluded by propaganda. I've volunteered in a women's shelter, and there absolutely are girls who were forced into prostitution against their will. Usually it's because they have (or they've been convinced they have) no other options. Most of them were addicts, and virtually all of them were more scared of the police than their pimps. I don't know whether they're th…	/r/MensRights	03/09/13 06:45 PM
-1	Enough of this "I'm a feminist and an MRA!" nonsense. It's a hijack attempt and a pretty transparent one at that. I'm not taking credit for anything. I do not associate with or advocate feminism. You can check my post history to see exactly what I think of them. I'm also not arguing whether feminism has been a good or bad thing overall. DaNiceguy's original claim was that feminism has never done anything to advance equality for anyone. His claim is objectively false. First- and second-wave feminism have promoted equality through the examples I posted earlier. Feminism in developing countries has had similar…	/r/MensRights	01/09/13 08:32 PM
-1	Enough of this "I'm a feminist and an MRA!" nonsense. It's a hijack attempt and a pretty transparent one at that. Oh yes, and what became of those? By their fruits ye shall know them... Their fruits included more than just women's suffrage. First-wave feminism was also important in revising the Married Women's Property Acts to ensure women had the same ownership of their children as men, and they pushed for legislation that would give women legal recourse in the event they were raped by their husband. I already know you're going to argue inequality here since husbands couldn't prosecute their wives for rape…	/r/MensRights	01/09/13 06:32 PM
2	A Dismal Future? Actually, the first "official" incarnation of the MRM started in the late 70's as an offshoot from the Men's Liberation Movement (source). 30-some years is not a terribly long time for a movement to get traction, mainstream attention, and enact sweeping change. Especially when you're going against conventional wisdom and have a well-established, well-funded, and politically-connected movement fighting against you. Yes, there have been many setbacks. Like you pointed out, suicide rates among men …	/r/MensRights	31/08/13 07:46 PM
-4	Enough of this "I'm a feminist and an MRA!" nonsense. It's a hijack attempt and a pretty transparent one at that. Firstly, those women were suffragettes, not feminists. They were re-labelled feminists by the group calling themselves "second wave" feminists. Um, no. "By 1913, Feminism (originally capitalized) was a household term in the United States. Major issues in the 1910s and 1920s included suffrage, economics and employment, sexualities and families, war and peace, and a Constitutional amendment for equality." (source) Secondly, women gained the right to vote but incurred no cost for doing so, whereas …	/r/MensRights	31/08/13 06:39 PM
-2	Enough of this "I'm a feminist and an MRA!" nonsense. It's a hijack attempt and a pretty transparent one at that. What exactly do you think Marxism is? Because I'm willing to bet it doesn't mean what you think it means.	/r/MensRights	31/08/13 05:09 PM
–	Enough of this "I'm a feminist and an MRA!" nonsense. It's a hijack attempt and a pretty transparent one at that. Can you provide a single example of where feminists have actually produced a result that resulted in greater equality for either sex? Haha, seriously? Ok, since you asked: 1917: The National Women's Party organizes a 6-month-long protest that leads to the 19th amendment, giving women the right to vote. 1963: Betty Freidan publishes The Feminine Mystique, the first widely-spread work arguing about the harm caused by traditional gender roles. (This includes men - one of her points was that women w…	/r/MensRights	31/08/13 05:04 PM
–	Enough of this "I'm a feminist and an MRA!" nonsense. It's a hijack attempt and a pretty transparent one at that. No two feminists have the exact same belief. For further proof, there are more than 40 different mainstream variations of feminism, all of which have different priorities and ideologies. That doesn't even count the newer or more niche feminist movements. People who claim things like "all feminists want X" or "every feminist believes Y" have obviously done no research whatsoever on feminism. They just assume anyone who calls themselves a feminist is part of the insane SRS/SJW crowd, which ironica…	/r/MensRights	31/08/13 04:21 PM
2	Feminist propose massive vandalism against Wikipedia But that definition of vandalism has nothing to do with what's being discussed here. We're talking about vandalism within the context of Wikipedia, which has its own definition: "any addition, removal, or change of content in a deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of Wikipedia" (source). "Writing feminist thinking into the site" absolutely matches that definition, since it can realistically be interpreted as "We are going to change the facts until they match feminist viewpoints.", grea…	/r/MensRights	26/08/13 05:11 PM
49	Feminist propose massive vandalism against Wikipedia "George Washington (February 22, 1732 – December 14, 1799) was the first Patriarch of the United States, the misogynist-in-chief of the Rapist Army during the American War on Women, and one of the Founding Oppressors of the United States."	/r/MensRights	26/08/13 01:05 AM
5	I read in a feminist blog that men 'could still rape with their eyes' but this is just too much... Say a man and woman meet at a bar. The man is a janitor, but he pretends to be a rich, successful writer. If they have sex, was the woman raped because she didn't consent to having sex with a janitor?	/r/MensRights	25/08/13 04:15 PM
3	I thought /r/women was better than this Rick Santorum: "One of the things I will talk about, that no president has talked about before, is I think the dangers of contraception in this country. It’s not okay. It’s a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be." Ted Davis: "If these young women are being responsible and didn't have the sex to begin with, we wouldn't have this problem to begin with." Newt Gingrich: "I think post-conception birth control would be a form of abortion. No, I don't …	/r/MensRights	24/08/13 10:25 PM
9	Anita Sarkeesian: the Early Years If all of the information is true Considering the video had no credible sources, was completely unverifiable, and relies entirely on vague connections like "Anita's boyfriend is a feminist" and "Anita may have been involved with the same organization as this guy who wants to squeeze money out of his website's visitors", I have a very hard time believing anything in it. It sounds a lot like the people claiming Obama is secretly being controlled by Weather Underground because he once sat on a dona…	/r/MensRights	24/08/13 07:34 PM
16	Anita Sarkeesian: the Early Years I really wish we would stop talking about her. Anyone who's done a little bit of research already knows she's an intellectually- and morally-bankrupt fraud who exploits gender issues for her own personal benefit. Her supporters have a cult-like devotion to her, and aren't going to have their minds changed by a YouTube video. All things like this do are bring more attention to her and help keep her in the spotlight, not to mention giving her and her followers more ways to complain about how victi…	/r/MensRights	24/08/13 05:41 PM
8	A very positive discussion But somehow this remains one of the top-rated posts of all time on /r/feminism. Honestly, I think the biggest reason you got such a positive response is because popular opinion (or at least Reddit opinion) has started shifting in favor of MRA's. There have been front-page posts outlining the necessity of a MRM, describing the experience of male abuse victims, and showing the absurd tactics feminists use to shut down discussion. It's getting harder to pretend that all MRA's are misogynist neckbea…	/r/MensRights	19/08/13 05:32 PM
13	An article responding to another, in which women protested the conventional wisdom of modern Feminism. I think this article perfectly demonstrates why it's so hard to identify with feminism. There's "left" feminists and the "right" feminists: both sides claim they're doing what's right for women, and neither side is willing to admit they're being dishonest, selfish, and short-sighted. So there's people like The Chicks on the Right screeching about taxpayer-funded abortions (despite the fact that it is literally illegal to use federal funds for abortions) and taxpayer-funded birth control (ignorin…	/r/MensRights	18/08/13 06:12 PM
5	My Problem is this... I just get angry at people who stop a discussion before starting it by saying "ALL PEOPLE DO THIS". It's ludicrous, and does nothing to promote dialogue whatsoever. But aren't you doing exactly this by implying all MRAs shit on feminism and refuse to listen to anyone who identifies as a feminist? If you look through virtually any thread related to feminism (like this one, for instance), you'll find out that's not the case. There are actually plenty of people in this subreddit who don't automatic…	/r/MensRights	13/08/13 06:36 PM
3	Disillusioned with Feminism She's not only brave for questioning her worldview, but also for going against a movement as mainstream and deeply-entrenched as feminism. Partly because it's hard to accept that such a popular view could be wrong, but also because she could get an even stronger backlash from feminists. From my own experience, when I stopped associating with feminism (not even hating or going against, just not wanting to be a part of it any more), I was called a gender traitor and an MRM whore, among a dozen oth…	/r/MensRights	11/08/13 08:07 PM
1	Can anyone find a single company that pays women less? Does Walmart do it? McDonald's? Your local grocery store chain (that only seems to hire women anyway)? Honestly, I'd swap places in a second if I could. Doing consistent work in an office that doesn't constantly smell like shit and bleach seems like a wonderful change. But I'm sure there's programmers who feel like their lives are dull and meaningless, and would kill for the excitement of nursing. Grass is always greener, etc., etc. Anyway, sorry for the derail. I just needed to vent a little.	/r/MensRights	10/08/13 10:10 PM
1	Can anyone find a single company that pays women less? Does Walmart do it? McDonald's? Your local grocery store chain (that only seems to hire women anyway)? You also get to work with all kinds of fun and exciting bodily fluids, many of which a programmer will never encounter.	/r/MensRights	10/08/13 09:46 PM
–	Genuine question here: Can you be both feminist and MRA? I completely agree, and it's an issue that gets brought up here a lot. It's absurd that men can be forced into fatherhood against their wishes. If I get pregnant, I get to decide whether or not I'm ready to be a mother. I also get to decide whether the father spends the next 18 years of his life supporting a child he may or may not want, and that's a ridiculous power imbalance. Men need options too, like letting the father be exempt from child support in exchange for the mother having sole custo…	/r/MensRights	10/08/13 05:57 PM
–	Genuine question here: Can you be both feminist and MRA? Some people on both sides will argue that it's impossible to be both a feminist and an MRA, because the two groups have conflicting goals. I don't agree with that. It implies that equality is a zero-sum game (so women must lose rights for men to gain rights, or vice-versa), and that feminists and MRAs have no issues they can agree on. It's definitely true that we have our disagreements, and I would argue that many feminist groups push for actions that directly hurt men, but that doesn't mean the…	/r/MensRights	10/08/13 04:44 PM
0	Atheism+, Skepchick, FtB feminists going all out in attempt to destroy the skeptic movement: Ben Radford and physicist Lawrence Krauss accused of sex assault, Bill Nye accused of harassment, DJ Grothe accused of misogyny, Michael Shermer ACCUSED OF RAPE by PZ Myers. This is beyond fucking insane. "feminism helps men too!" is something we hear from feminists over and over trying to co-opt the mens movement. But is that coming from within the MRM? I always got the impression that it's mostly feminist groups who say that to justify their existence and dismiss MRAs. So in other words, they don't want to co-opt the movement, they want to silence it. Hoff Sommers is an exception, not a rule. I agree. Which leads me to my next point... You can't use single cases to prove arguments about groups.…	/r/MensRights	10/08/13 02:02 AM
1	Atheism+, Skepchick, FtB feminists going all out in attempt to destroy the skeptic movement: Ben Radford and physicist Lawrence Krauss accused of sex assault, Bill Nye accused of harassment, DJ Grothe accused of misogyny, Michael Shermer ACCUSED OF RAPE by PZ Myers. This is beyond fucking insane. When you allow one, the other happens. When you allow feminists in they will ALWAYS co-opt things to be about feminism. Feminists will ALWAYS make them selves out to be the victims, and try and co-opt any discussion with their own drama battles. Doesn't the MRM prove that isn't the case, though? I mean, even Christina Hoff Sommers self-identifies as an equity feminist, and I'm sure there's plenty of people in this subreddit who feel the same way. I haven't seen evidence that people like that are…	/r/MensRights	09/08/13 10:36 PM
–	Atheism+, Skepchick, FtB feminists going all out in attempt to destroy the skeptic movement: Ben Radford and physicist Lawrence Krauss accused of sex assault, Bill Nye accused of harassment, DJ Grothe accused of misogyny, Michael Shermer ACCUSED OF RAPE by PZ Myers. This is beyond fucking insane. What killed the Occupy movement was a lack of centralized leadership, a vague, inconsistent message, and a media that had a vested interest in protecting the people Occupy was protesting against. I really don't see where feminism enters into it. I'd also argue that there's a difference between allowing feminists into a movement and marrying that movement to feminism. Like someone else pointed out, a good number of MRAs (myself included) started out in feminism, and I'm sure at least some of them…	/r/MensRights	09/08/13 06:52 PM
11	How do you feel about the word "creep"? I think it's fair to say that there are genuinely creepy people who deserve that title. It obviously isn't limited to one gender - men and women can both be creeps, and both can be creeped on. (Personally I think male creeps on female victims are the majority, mostly because society expects more from men than women with regard to relationships. But I don't have any evidence to support that, so it's a fair debate to have.) The problem is that the word "creep" gets thrown around way too often. So …	/r/MensRights	06/08/13 09:10 PM
5	Feminist has a change of heart..."after" they came for her son. This sounds kind of similar to my own experience, where I didn't realize how biased the system was against men until my brother went through a divorce. It would be nice if people were better educated about gender disparity in western countries, but the reality is that it often has to become personal before we can understand how bad things are. It's easy to dismiss statistics we don't like as being biased or misleading or irrelevant - but when someone we know becomes one of those statistics, it f…	/r/MensRights	06/08/13 07:53 PM
6	What is her thought process? "I have never committed a crime, and none of my friends have ever committed crimes, so therefore women do not commit crimes. But I read stories all the time about men who commit crimes, and I know people who have been victimized by male criminals, so all men are criminals who deserve to be locked up."	/r/MensRights	05/08/13 08:44 PM
3	Strategy talk: why not neutralize extreme feminists with a relentless dose of reason? I think IcarusLived's point (please correct me if I'm wrong, I don't want to seem like I'm speaking for you!) is that you can't use logic to destroy feminist arguments, because their tactics are specifically designed to trump logic. You can see this in plenty of feminist vs. MRA debates, both on and off of Reddit. An MRA can present any kind of facts, reasons, and logic they want, while a feminist can just counter it by using vague, subjective, unsubstantiated theories like "internalized oppress…	/r/MensRights	05/08/13 08:16 PM
3	/r/feminism and the magnificent circle jerk. It's very clear that you aren't even trying to understand my argument. Ad hominem. Discrimination is not equal to great pressure to modify your appearance. Definist fallacy. Odds are, these things have never happened to most men. Not impossible that they did, but also not particularly likely. Appeal to probability. Will a man ever have the precise set of experiences that most women are highly likely to have? The answer is no. Source? A man will never be able to fully understand the female perspe…	/r/MensRights	05/08/13 06:33 AM
3	Kings Dominion doing it right It's definitely a topic that needs more attention. There was an article a while ago (I'll edit it in if I can find it) which estimated about 50,000 men would develop breast cancer during their lives - but that most healthcare plans specifically limited breast cancer treatment to women, so men who developed it went into bankruptcy trying to get it treated. Hopefully we can get more awareness and change this. Men are already disposable in a hundred different ways, we don't need to lose them to bre…	/r/MensRights	05/08/13 03:30 AM
0	One of the Mega64 guys seems to think our movement is a joke That's not one of the Mega64 guys. It's Frank Howley, who has a history of mocking stereotypical nerds. Did you think it was Derrick Acosta?	/r/MensRights	05/08/13 03:22 AM
13	Could I have handled this better? I think you made your points well. It probably won't change her mind about anything, but being rational and cognizant is about the best you can do. A couple other things that could have been brought up: pro·fil·ing [proh-fahy-ling] (n.): The use of personal characteristics or behavior patterns to make generalizations about a person, as in gender profiling. (source) So right away she's wrong about the definition of gender profiling. She's absolutely engaging in it by attributing potential violenc…	/r/MensRights	04/08/13 11:07 PM
4	/r/feminism and the magnificent circle jerk. (continued) True that some of my analysis is limited in that I am conjecturing a bit, but it remains odd that we're not having these conversations broadly about how to include women in a meaningful way on reddit. Because we don't need to. I've already shown you that the male:female ratio on Reddit is fairly close to the male:female ratio across the entire Internet. Are you suggesting that if women don't make up at least 50% of Reddit (which would mean that a higher percentage of female Internet …	/r/MensRights	04/08/13 02:48 AM
8	/r/feminism and the magnificent circle jerk. Ok, here we go. men: rarely cat-called, never taught to fear sexual assault walking the streets, not extensively taught to modify their appearance; women: frequently cat-called, taught to fear sexual assault, extensively taught to modify their appearance--just to name a few examples I hope you can cite sources for these. Especially the parts about "men are rarely cat-called" and "men are not extensively taught to modify their appearance". (Let me help with that latter one: obese and unattractive…	/r/MensRights	04/08/13 02:48 AM
–	/r/feminism and the magnificent circle jerk. Ok, first of all "male-dominated" isn't really accurate. Reddit users are between 55% and 60% male (source, source). So while women are outnumbered here, it's not like we don't have a strong presence. Secondly, what exactly is a "masculine comment"? A comment from a man? A comment about men? A comment enforcing traditionally male gender roles? You'll have to be a little more specific than that. And even if men and masculine comments (whatever they are) do dominate Reddit, what's your point? Are …	/r/MensRights	03/08/13 09:03 PM
–	/r/feminism and the magnificent circle jerk. I honestly can't tell if you're being serious, sarcastic, or trolling on some kind of meta-level I don't understand.	/r/MensRights	03/08/13 08:02 PM
4	Question about 'Rape Culture' - Hootin' and a hollerin' on the street. What makes rape culture so hard to argue against is that it's extremely vague and totally subjective. That's why feminists love to trot it out - it can't be quantified, measured, or even consistently defined, so there's no way to disprove its existence. (And everyone knows that if it can't be disproved, it must be true!) For example, my own experience has been pretty much the opposite of yours. I can only think of a few situations where a guy's comments made me feel uncomfortable or threatened, …	/r/MensRights	03/08/13 07:58 PM
–	/r/feminism and the magnificent circle jerk. You're forgetting all the other excuses they have to justify their censorship: Nobody is allowed to argue because feminists are creating "safe spaces". You see, things like "the patriarchy" and "facts" are constantly waging war against feminism, so they need to have these "safe spaces" where they can share their thoughts without ridicule, backlash, or debate. That's how equality works! If you're a man, you're not allowed to say anything bad about feminism because you don't understand the kind of…	/r/MensRights	03/08/13 05:38 PM
6	Domestic Violence happens equally across the genders, yet the President and VP place the blame primarily on men. Why? (links inside!) (Trigger Warning: Privilege run amok) I think it's a bit more complicated than that, since these kinds of actions tend to reflect how society as a whole views men and women. Obama and Biden are politicians, so they're going to do whatever helps them politically. Decades of feminist propaganda has taught people that women are never the instigators of violence (or the abuse we do isn't "real" abuse, and the guy just needs to man up and stop whining), while the abusers are always shown to be those evil, violent men who are no better th…	/r/MensRights	01/08/13 08:58 PM
2	Could Porn Be Censored in America? What's so infuriating about this kind of censorship is that, like violence in movies, easy access to pornography has been shown to help reduce incidents of sexual violence (source, source, source, source, among many others). People arguing that pornography enforces rape culture and leads to more incidents of sexual assault have no real evidence on their side, but they're treated like their argument is equal. These people want laws that increase sexual violence, restrict sexual freedom, reinforce…	/r/MensRights	01/08/13 07:53 PM
16	Feminism: PR problem? The feminism interview starts at 36:15, for anyone who wants to hear it. It does a great job of showing how disconnected western feminists are from women who are genuinely oppressed. This lack of critical thinking and perspective was something I encountered a lot when I was involved with feminism. Lots of people didn't actually think about the issues, and instead just blindly repeated what they were taught by other feminists. Even in this interview, the U.K. woman just reads off the usual propag…	/r/MensRights	01/08/13 06:12 PM
1	If this is "privilege," I'll take being oppressed: Obamacare to kick young men in the balls while they're down, and almost nobody is talking about it Health insurance is a really complicated topic, so hopefully I'm not oversimplifying things. I'm not denying that women use health services more than men (55-60% of patients under 50 are women, according to most statistics). This is for a variety of reasons, both cultural and biological. However, what women do as a group should not be used to discriminate against individual women. A woman could just as easily buy insurance and then never use it. In that case, she's paying a higher rate with abso…	/r/MensRights	31/07/13 07:56 PM
22	If this is "privilege," I'll take being oppressed: Obamacare to kick young men in the balls while they're down, and almost nobody is talking about it This is slightly misleading. I work in healthcare, and a big change in Obamacare is that insurance companies can no longer charge different rates because of gender. Currently, an average woman pays more for health insurance than a man purely because of our gender (source: http://business.time.com/2012/05/18/when-consumers-pay-more-due-to-race-or-gender/). Since insurance companies won't be able to do this any longer, they'll have to either raise rates for men or lower rates for women. Shockingly…	/r/MensRights	31/07/13 05:30 PM