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6

Exactly, and rightfully so.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:21 AM
0

You did the right thing and there's nothing wrong with you needing to set him straight by beating his ass, if needed. You and your mom have the legal right here and it doesn't matter if she doesn't want to press charges if he's violent enough. Record as much as you can and if he comes back, call the police. What was he like before? Sorry I don't have any particularly specific advice. Definitely try to get as much evidence of his behavior as possible in the event it needs to be utilized in future…
/r/ExRedPill21/07/26 02:18 AM
7

It's insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 11:17 AM
2

Lmao, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:11 PM
2

I've done this but the pictures they had were reflective of their personality. I don't know that people would do this without ending up disappointed that the personality didn't match their physicality but I have no issue with it personally. And of course, it's important to at least share pictures before meeting. I can understand though that people don't necessarily want to do this, so large scale I don't know that it'd be popular solely done as a dating site gimmick, rather than, say, speaking t…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 11:51 AM

I don't even know how you managed to go on this tangent because it's a total non-sequitur about an already excluded scenario based on my response to you. I'm specifically talking about men who have no actual interest in friendship pretending they do, not a friendship complicated by feelings. These are two totally different things. And by "harassment", I mean insisting on pressing for sex or obligatory romance as a payment "owed" to them for friendship, entitlement behaviors, etc. Not just confes…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 11:54 AM

You people are so hilariously high on yourselves, it's insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 09:38 AM

Primarily because women are understood to be harassed by men under the guise of friendship, and that would be the assumption absent of any other clarification. A lot of people would still question it and find it strange, however. The main reason people "care" is that it reveals the way these men don't see women's humanity and seek solely to use them for their purposes. You can do this, but you can't also claim you're a good guy or a nice guy in any way that's meaningful to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 09:30 AM

Almost every one of them holds this belief but speaks out of the other side of their mouth claiming they're good, nice, and so unfairly maligned by not being picked, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 09:20 AM

That's exactly what it is and that's all it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 09:19 AM

Very few people expect male friends to pay for female friends. Most people expect that like all other friendships, they either split or one person picks up the check, then the other picks up the check, etc. The defense thing is unlikely to happen, but the larger person in general would be expected to help defend against a smaller person being assaulted regardless of sex. These are stupid ass reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 09:19 AM
1

Well, think about it: abusive people abuse and dupe people into getting what they want. Is that really surprising? Much of the examples redpill men make are just them admiring and praising coercive control (abuse). Sometimes (like in the case of hybristophiles, who they love to mention) they offer fringe examples of profoundly dysfunctional women seeking out dysfunctional men (which also often leads to abuse), as if any of these dynamics are healthy or enviable. More than anything else, abusers …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 07:22 PM
10

What issues did you have with your therapist? Women really don't cheat often, tbh. You seem to ruminate a lot.
/r/ExRedPill30/06/26 08:12 PM
20

What "reason" do you have to believe they should earn your mistrust? Have you seen a therapist? I remember your posts and tbh, it seems you have OCD. The manosphere is very harmful to young men who might be afflicted with issues like OCD or neurodivergence (on top of being overall just very harmful in general).
/r/ExRedPill30/06/26 06:47 PM
1

Thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 09:09 AM
8

Thank you, exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 08:36 PM
12

Animals use aggression because they don't have a developed pre-frontal cortex and rely on instincts. Humans have a PFC 4.5 times the size of a chimp's PFC and many times more complex. Why do you people insist on justifying your literal retardation and routinely put yourself on the level of animals neuroanatomically unable to comprehensively reason? Are you that mentally and intellectually lazy? Your idea of Disney World or whatever or not, generally, without civilization you're more focused on d…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 11:19 PM
1

No, not really, but I can see how certain circumstances are more understandable or not to others, I guess. How people choose to handle their relationships (barring actual abuse or sadism) doesn't really factor into my perception of them. I don't care how they choose to handle their complicated romantic circumstances or complicated entangled situations. There are a million reasons people may or may not choose to move on and many of them make sense given mitigating and/or extenuating circumstances…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/26 07:13 AM
7

I've not really seen an example of a man not adjacent to redpill/that didn't share much of their mentality, that was widely considered to be in the manosphere?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 12:50 PM
7

Tradwives have basically nothing to do with the rest of them. They're the female arm of redpill adjacent chauvinism packaged for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/26 12:47 PM
28

Men don't want to believe this. Most women want to be with guys around their age. And it usually feels very uncomfortable being seen "in that way" by older men.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 10:10 PM
1

But that goes back to my point about people trivializing the art of talking to women as though it doesn't exist and it's as simple as just talking to her like anybody... no, there are clearly other dynamics at play that require men to adjust our behavior, that deserves to be acknowledged. Oh, I do agree. It definitely does. "Talk to women like humans" isn't very specific and it isn't meant to be a guidebook, but I do think you're right that men probably need more experience and/or explicit guida…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/26 12:38 AM
0

That's not an ad hom. It's just an insult. His criticisms are relevant to your claims because your argument is that this kind of joke is normal between male friends so it could be seen as "treating women like humans", which rests on your own judgment and experiences. You're laundering strange and lecherous comments (I assume unintentionally?) from men as if they frequently take place between men and in average buddy interactions. It's not common. There are friendships that are like this, but it'…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 10:45 PM
6

The manosphere has always been a grift to keep low IQ men firmly entrenched up the assholes of billionaires. Exactly right.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 06:37 PM
7

That is an issue of the state and a product of the necessity to maintain functional governance, because the state cannot afford to absorb the cost of every potential child born to a man that turns out doesn't want children, but wants to have sex. This arrangement isn't seeking to punish men because women retain control over their body. This isn't willful discrimination, it's a largely unavoidable asymmetry that's downstream of physiological/biological asymmetry. There is no plausible way to forc…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/26 02:12 PM

That would make perfect sense to me, because I'm not looking to make him do something he's financially uncomfortable with, or that would harm him financially for my enjoyment. I'm glad you said this, because an even more apt comparison would actually be: "I took my ex for her benefit, when I was less responsible and more financially reckless, and I really did not enjoy it", rather than even just the totally understandable and rational reasoning that he did something that was too financially risk…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 09:27 PM

Wow.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:54 PM

Perhaps she had never tried it before and realized it was not worth trying to please him with it, because it's too painful or uncomfortable. She wouldn't have known exactly how painful or uncomfortable she was willing to make herself for someone else's happiness without having tried it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:48 PM

Yes, I saw that you did mention that it is something that happens, but I'm saying that it does make up the majority of these cases, so it is frequently just an unreasonable demand/concern from these men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:45 PM

How do you know how easy it was for her to walk away? You've no idea. If you're so angry that men are commonly manipulating people, you should take it up with them/male culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:23 PM

Generally, though, it is that women tried it (often as a result of repeated pressure, nagging) and don't like it. Either way, if you're asking or expecting someone to relent so you can use their body in a way they aren't even desirous of, for whatever reason, that's insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 08:21 PM
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Do you seriously not see this insane entitlement?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/26 04:58 PM

Spot on
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/26 07:06 AM

Are you retarded? You think these men do this at the beginning? The whole concept of a manipulator and swindler is that they DUPE at the beginning.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 07:03 PM
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So sorry, I was more busy than I thought I was while reading/writing that post. I didn't see it said "not because". I thought you were saying you allowed yourself to be manipulated into hating women. Apologies. Truly, today everyone's paths are kind of different and "delayed" (there is one no set way to be anyways). It's totally within the realm of possibility that you meet someone. If it helps, I have seen tons of women who don't care at all about any of the timeline stuff. I'm one of them, too…
/r/ExRedPill27/04/26 08:45 PM
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Why would normal life issues cause you to hate women? Why do you allow it to warp your views of women? Many people have timelines and paths that are different because poverty, conditions/illnesses, situations... What in the world does that have to do with women?
/r/ExRedPill27/04/26 08:38 PM
1

24-30% of therapists are men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 10:19 PM
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They don't "accept you". They are pretending to accept you because it is their job. I do feel bad for the women. Who knows what their situation is or what led them there...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/26 03:37 PM
8

It's amazing women sleep with men at all if this is so common
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/26 02:28 PM
1

It doesn't at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/26 05:11 PM
4

I'm capable of being attracted to them. I'm not desirous of men for their appearance or anything immediately visible/audible. It's just neutral. I need to know them and feel we are similar, to be attracted. If you're just asking if I'm straight, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 06:20 PM
4

I don't date or speak to men romantically or sexually
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/26 05:28 PM
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Lmao, you have to read back what you wrote. You just explained you're continuously fumbling women you could otherwise have nice conversations with because you're intent on believing something that hasn't been shown to pan out for you and is actively sabotaging your efforts.
/r/ExRedPill09/03/26 06:48 PM
1

Nope
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 06:51 AM
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Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 07:14 PM
1

Exactly same, though I don't find that they're necessarily needy, just not for me. I just am attracted to the first type of man, generally.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/26 10:08 PM
2

That picture doesn't say anything
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 03:56 PM
6

It's not true. I'm a woman and I strongly prefer a more "submissive" guy, although I'm not interested in either person specifically fulfilling any "roles". I just like gentle passive guys. What he says is the dominant social script that women are taught to desire and men taught needs to be emulated. It's harmful and incredibly stupid.
/r/ExRedPill09/02/26 11:42 PM
2

He's abusive, not just toxic. This bullshit ideology cultivates abusive behavior/abusers.
/r/ExRedPill09/02/26 12:03 PM
1

Imo, nope
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 01:42 AM
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They're actual mental midgets and it's not encouraging that enough men and boys fall for their shit. They're extremely embarrassing. Everything about them is such transparent cope.
/r/ExRedPill28/01/26 12:31 PM
2

You're right
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 09:32 PM
-1

It's true
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 12:52 AM
5

Nope, and it'd be ridiculous if I were to expect that a lack of these things is enough on its own to merit praise or a boyfriend, or an ideal partner. These are baseline expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 10:26 AM
4

You get praise and rewards for doing good, that's the incentive structure most people who aren't 12 actually understand and operate on. Simply not committing crimes is not "doing good" unless you're already a criminal. If you want to say we should offer incentives for impressionable kids, okay, but you're telling women to parent adult men, who you're basically insisting we should pre-emptively treat like criminals/the criminally minded.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 10:15 AM
2

Really? If I want to be with a guy, I wouldn't boast about not being a criminal as if it's a selling point. It is pretty pathetic to say "well, at least I'm not the WORST" when EVERYONE wants someone who brings something positive to their lives, not just the absence of criminality. This goes for everything. "Well, I don't beat the shit out of you, so emotional neglect alone is good parenting!", etc... Any adult actually interested in being an adult shouldn't expect to be praised for not being a …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/26 10:07 AM
7

It's absolutely true and backed by decades of research. And I never said most men were abusive. Try engaging with words people actually say.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 01:27 AM
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Men isolate their partners routinely and this is even a good part of the red pill ideology/tactics, though it's generally quite common abusive behavior seen primarily in men. Women are in support groups far more than men and we tend to have far better support systems. You don't interact with women and given that, have nothing even approximating expertise on the topic. Taking the words of dysfunctional waterbrains with motivated reasoning as gospel doesn't make it true.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 01:14 AM
4

I don't think that's necessarily true. Someone can watch porn and get an idea of something they would like, but not be someone that needs to watch it or watches it/porn, constantly. There's a difference between someone having an interest in a kink and being the type that trawls FetLife.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 06:05 PM
6

Not all, but there's a difference between a preference/interest and being totally consumed by porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 06:02 PM
3

Same
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 06:00 PM
2

I would think it's attractive, personally, as long as he's not porno brained and it's not all about dressing up, but more teasing/subversion of typically expected dynamics.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 05:59 PM

So, we're all animals ruled by instincts and the law is the only thing keeping us in line, but despite rape penalties being quite low in practice, and the majority of kits going untested, plus the very nature of the crime making hard evidence scarce unless in the street/public and random (that is, most people don't record all of their intimate encounters + the legal process being devastating to victims [trials are notoriously difficult for all victims but especially sex offenses]), you come to t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 02:21 AM

No, it doesn't imply that most men are that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 02:05 AM
1

Same. Revealed preferences and all that, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/25 01:47 AM
-3

Red pillers are generally fake Christians, so this checks out.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 11:04 PM
-1

It's very obvious what she means and it has been said over and over again. The atomization of society makes everyone lonelier, but we are rarely hearing about the impact on women, while men whine constantly that they're not able to have sex with women. It's a sexual entitlement crisis men are having, that actually is mostly the consequence of the atomization and increased isolation everyone is experiencing, in addition to grifting bad actors jumping to manipulate, distort and further isolate the…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 12:01 AM
12

Phyllis Schafly and all of the chauvinists are the reason women are still excluded from conscription. Feminists opposed the draft for both men and women on humanitarian grounds, but were okay with it being part of the ERA. The right wing is the reason the ERA was never ratified and women aren't included in the draft.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/25 08:12 PM
5

Thank you
/r/ExRedPill10/12/25 09:09 PM
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Women don't care to any extent that affects passport bros. They aren't going to stop you. They just think it's predatory and gross.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 05:17 PM
7

Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 12:55 PM
2

Probably more common in women, yeah, I'd say.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 08:23 PM
3

I have seen this, and I have seen a less preoccupied with validation form where guys are just flirty/fun but have no intention of sleeping with the woman. For the very social, I've seen it where it's just a bit of meaningless flirtatiousness for the sake of fun. I don't think it's always something that needs to be pathologized and can be harmless.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 07:05 PM
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Well, that's what it is. If a woman were to give the impression she wanted to marry a man in exchange for money/gifts with no intention or desire to do so, isn't that manipulative and coercive? You're advocating for completely misrepresenting them and their desires to extract something (in this case, sex) from someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 06:27 PM
8

Women disagree with the premise that these men who believe themselves to be "nice" are actually nice. They're not mocking men they believe to be genuinely nice with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 03:06 PM
1

Agreed
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 07:13 AM

I don't think anyone would call you an incel for that. And people mainly use the "virgin" thing as a jab. I don't think many people actually care about someone else's virginity provided you're not proving yourself to be deranged and visibly socially maladjusted by being needlessly rude or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 06:05 AM
0

This is still a "problem" many women face and losing weight doesn't solve it. I'd say one of the most pressing problems for women is general emotional/mental incompatibility. And it's not true that most men are happy/happy enough with pretty much any woman so long as she's fit.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 05:56 AM
0

I weigh 106 lbs, now how does this solve mental/emotional/sexual incompatibility issues with men?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/25 05:44 AM

Liberty and autonomy vs. retaining power/control over others are not at all the same things.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 03:58 PM

In a way, yes. These are just dumb settings ballpark set by social expectations. Irl these things matter not. Most people cannot eyeball 6 ft unless they're around that size themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 08:22 AM
3

If that's where your assumptions went, that's on you. I never said that was the case. This is specifically about the passport bros who admit to all of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 05:21 AM
9

If women were to seek out impoverished and suffering "Chads" with no regard or care for who they are as people, just so they can use their bodies, and marry them knowing their only options for safety and security would be marriage, that's completely above board? Seems a bit ethically grey to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 09:42 PM
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Because beaters spend all of their time seeking out relationships and vulnerable people they're able to abuse. I viewed these dynamics as the child of one and relative to a few. The average, less deranged person does not dedicate as much time to finding vulnerable people to abuse, so yes, of course they'll be in fewer relationships. They also lessen the possibility of leaving through threats and coercive control. The more psychologically vulnerable and broken these women are in the first place, …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 01:54 PM
31

Men wishing to possess women came up with this pathetic post hoc justification and all the toadies run with it. There's no evidence this is a thing outside of their extremely transparent wishcasting.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 10:59 AM
2

She did nothing of the sort
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/25 07:45 AM
1

EXCELLENT post
/r/ExRedPill18/04/24 05:52 AM
5

It absolutely leads to divorce. No question at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 07:25 PM
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It's good you recognize that something is wrong and want to better yourself. I think ultimately you'd be a hell of a lot happier, too. It's pretty isolating to not be able to relate with or empathize with the entire other half of the population. Can I ask, regarding the whole incel business, if there was a very unattractive woman or a woman you just weren't into for whatever reason, would you feel it's reasonable for her to dislike you or not be able to empathize with you because you aren't inte…
/r/ExRedPill02/03/24 04:08 AM
3

It's a useless saying, at best. It's harmful on a few different levels, and not at all accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/24 06:17 PM
2

Not that many young working women are even on SSRIs, and SSRIs (or even tricyclics of the past) are nothing like heavy duty sedatives and tranquilizers. And almost everyone is more stressed and less hopeful these days due to the fact that wages are stagnant and that pensions are a thing of the past. Everyone is pushed to their limit. This specific stressor wasn't as much of a factor in the 50s-60s for working people, as there were actual benefits to be had, and a generally accessible housing mar…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/24 11:27 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 07:43 PM
2

Yep, and don't forget the barbiturates, benzo, and bromides. There are tons of these insane pharma ads that revolve around relieving women's misery as housewives, btw. Guys ITT really want to ignore reality. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 07:41 PM
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most of the time it was perfect This isn't even remotely true. It's shockingly wrong, even. You wanting to pretend this was the case (in spite of what we do have on record) doesn't make it so. You very obviously don't care at all about women's or children's safety (which go hand in hand). It's crazy that you think you're even capable of speaking about these issues when your general awareness, and priorities, are so terrible.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 07:34 PM
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Crazy how men are so easily mentally cucked by the wealthy that seek to distract you and other disaffected men with one-sided beef against women (and other historically vulnerable groups), that you don't see how badly you'd be fucked up the ass in actuality by higher fertility rates in countries with abysmal labor rights due to the increased public priority on non-issues, instead of critical ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 03:02 PM
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OP is full of shit with axe to grind, or is just seemingly functionally illiterate. I'm going with the former.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/24 02:55 PM
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Yep. https://wecantconsenttothis.uk/blog/do-these-defences-work This is focussed only on the UK, but it has happened all over. It's really disgusting imo. Of course, it's basically impossible to ascertain the actual desires of a dead person purportedly midsex, in most cases, so who is to know what's actually an accident and what's a convenient coverup, but imo, you shouldn't be able to consent to abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 08:14 PM
1

Yeah, there are a number of cases where women have died, 60+ in the UK and many more globally. It's a terrible idea and the trend itself is just normalization of violence against women, imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 08:08 PM
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Don't do it. I don't think men should do it even if the man does like it, or their female partner says they want it. On its face, it is dangerous for both parties and the risk is not worth the "reward" (imo, the desire is dysfunctional at the minimum). Being gentle is how men should be.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 07:50 PM
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I've not met a man yet who hasn't tried to TELL me what I "actually" like, and it always is this "dom" bullshit mentioned above, that I have never suggested I've ever liked or had any interest in, and never have.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/24 07:01 PM
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OP, this post is pretty funny and exactly how sane people feel about it. It's crazy that these transparent dipshits were able to finesse themselves into having this large of a measure of imagined authority. It's ironic because these toilet-dwelling cult leaders like to peddle the idea that women are pliable "NPCs" that are uniquely incapable of independent thought, when men's actions would show that they're very, very malleable. I can understand it tricking teen boys, but the way men in their la…
/r/ExRedPill17/01/24 06:06 PM
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I can't be sure, but I THINK he means literally that by all of the stupid metrics of what it is to be "alpha", like, fit, tall, making decent money, having whatever hobbies or being outwardly "masculine", he'd fit the stereotype that these sewer babies claim is the only thing that is attractive to women/is their kryptonite. Not that he's trying to say he believes in "alpha" shit.
/r/ExRedPill17/01/24 05:59 PM
1

This is exactly right
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 10:36 PM
13

They're hateful, scientifically illiterate, spiteful, and quasi-pedophiles (if not full-on). They just say whatever and really, really hope that male supremacism will uphold the memetier reproductive "facts" they shit out daily
/r/ExRedPill24/12/23 05:56 AM
2

Very true.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 06:20 AM
1

This is the correct answer. Thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/23 03:59 AM
5

You speak like a 16 yo boy who just got laid for the first time that desperately wants to emphasize his imagined desirability. Really unfortunate and embarrassing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 06:02 PM
7

Exactly!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 05:39 PM
2

Nice post
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 05:23 PM
3

They have feelings, but they're often irrational. Society cultivates the worst traits in men, and society encourages them to be emotionally maladjusted. Many of their feelings (or the lack thereof) don't serve them and leave them developmentally stunted/damaged. They're self imposing alienation on themselves and other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 05:05 PM
6

If you're being serious (genuinely cannot tell), this is delusional and ridiculous. That's an extremely warped, myopic view of love/emotion/the human condition. This line of thinking causes people to struggle interpersonally - way outside of romantic relationships, even.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 05:01 PM
3

They're intellectually dishonest pissbabies trying to manipulate women into on-demand sex. They know better than anyone that sex and love aren't linked like that. They use it all of the time to explain their behavior when it suits them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/23 04:43 PM
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