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DiscussionRyuutorak/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/16 01:35 PM
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It was an upset. Plain and simple. Not a reason to lie about the models by claiming it was some sweeping victory when it was within standard deviations on most models. Feminism and gynocentricism have powerful voices in the Western world, You're mistaking loud and public with "powerful". In spite of their move closer to the public, they're not anywhere near as powerful as phallocentrism and masculinism. Not to mention the fact that men bend over backwards trying to appease and accommodate women.…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/16 10:17 PM
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The toxicity of some aspects of the red pill community reflects the anger a lot of men feel about being belittled, mistreated and ignored. As if they weren't doing that to themselves. We teach men to to dominate. When they fail to dominate, they get angry. Traditional masculinity is just as broken as traditional femininity. What they're doing in TRP is not at all balancing that out-- they're playing with fire and freaking out when people react like humans-getting-burned. They're choosing to do t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/16 09:40 PM
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Brexit and Trump’s victory were anomalies, upsets if you like. The bookies and the polls all predicted the opposite, but even underdogs win sometimes. Blatant misrepresentation. Trump's victory was within standard deviations. Pundits just exaggerated his chances bc punditry is a sham. Neither Brexit nor Trump’s victory were the result of a monolithic base of supporters, but both options presented rare opportunities for certain sentiments amongst voters to manifest themselves in a big way. The op…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/16 10:15 PM
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If Trumpism and Brexit and the "manosphere" are the natural result of what you're calling "oppression", there should be even larger populist movements from women and minorities bc they would be wayyyyyyyyy more "threatened and targeted" than whoever you're talking about. I think they're a majority-- they've always been a majority-- and they're just throwing fits bc people haven't been taking their bullshit as much as before. Being threatened and targeted with smears, loss of livelihood, violence…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/16 03:58 AM
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I would have to check the comments, and the posts with the most comments, most votes (up or down), etc, before making that determination.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 11:31 PM
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Being unable to say whatever you want without criticism is not being silenced. It's the freedom the other person has to reject the content of your speech.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 10:47 PM
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It's not black and white to say there's good and bad (and neutral), but in that particular subreddit, the bad effects outweigh the good and neutral.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 10:43 PM
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Any good is outweighed tremendously. Cults are not good. It's a cult.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 03:18 AM
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Having to think about the way you speak is not oppression.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/16 03:16 AM
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And, yes, I'm fucking shaming you into the ground. Right relies on power and sadism. Anyone opposed to their bullshit just has to shame them, bc it's better than fucking murdering you. I resent that people take you seriously. I resent that you're impervious to shame. I resent that you've truly got the entire functioning of the history of the world categorically backwards. You talk about violent revolution??? Did it ever occur to you that feminists and people who are just categorically anti-right…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 08:11 PM
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I don't think your Brave New World has a place for anyone except white dudes. The notion that minorities are voting against you because of brainwashing-- rather than just being done with your bullshit--... ... is absolutely paranoid and verging on insane. "Cuck" is a term taken from pornography in which Black dudes steal White dudes wives. The entire neoreactionary right-wing movement is dripping in racial and gender-based resentment that people finally started calling out right-wing and centris…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 08:04 PM
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I don't think that's great at all. I think it can become an echo-chamber than brigades the website, boosts the viewcount of right-wing propaganda, and creates a populist cabal that unwittingly normalizes other right-wing movements. Giving it free advertising in the process by manipulating the algorithms of the website. I would also say it's probably a recruiting ground to teach people how to become extremely manipulative on purpose, and justify it with nonsense. They're moving from objectifying …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 07:57 PM
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I find them a bit of a leap, to the point where they'd only be important in an authoritarian regime. I don't think we're so lost that one opinion from a shitposter like me is dangerous
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 07:54 PM
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I can totally learn about things while criticizing them, though. I think your strategy is definitely more productive for possibly persuading someone (in this case, a group of someones) that seems-- to me-- like an almost entire waste of time. I also think my arugments probably embolden people who I believe won't be a catastrophically negative force on humanity-- they just might not comment. Or it may percolate, and next time they come across something suspect, they're more likely to open their m…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 07:40 PM
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That you just continue to insist that, no, really, you're charitable to all viewpoints is quite evidently not true - and you've said as much. No. Every time you've said that I believe in complete and utter utopian tolerance with no dissent, I have countered it explicitly. You are arguing with an invented version of me that is almost the Echo Chamber archetype of "crazy, postmodern liberal who claims to tolerate everything". I have said THE OPPOSITE EVERY TIME I bring it up-- I have explicitly st…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 07:33 PM
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Then that idea needs to be more directly communicated. The OP comes across as "But look how enlightened I look for applying this quid pro quo to BPers when RPers get the most slack for this!" It's a good internal way to process how-- indeed-- the "coping mechanism" thing can easily be flipped around and applied to "both sides"-- but I believe the opening post fails to make it clear that this wasn't just a shallow but, you do, too! appeal. Externalizing that internal strategy requires making it m…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 06:42 PM
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No. There's been plenty of human studies that study personality traits, and the only ones that are considered anywhere near approaching credible (rather than "pop") psychology involve at LEAST five domains of behavior and processing (which in and of themselves have anywhere from 19 to.... 200-something specific indicators). The rest that are any more simplified than that are too restrictive to be any less than reductive, and in the face of having blatant access to science right in your search en…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 06:39 PM
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Norms are fine, but anything too prescriptive and too intrusive can quickly become contentious and oppressive. Human hubris is often at risk of assuming that humans know more than they do, making them very prone to error. Power also corrupts and any faction that gets the upper hand is liable to approach despotism if left unchecked. The other issue is that the majority is often wrong. I would even say usually wrong, given human ignorance, the higher profile of the majority view and the tendency o…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 06:33 PM
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You've already made up your mind that anyone who disagrees with you is an evil monster, That is not true at all. You were the one constantly accusing me of being a feminist, a Blue Piller, etc.... And launching into these treatises using the word "you"-- to remind you that I noticed this, and pointed it out to you from the beginning, I'll point to my use of the words "politically traumatized, with post-hoc rationalizations" so you can't weasel around the fact that you made no attempts to argue i…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 06:10 PM
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Don’t believe the false, simple minded, black and white feminist narrative, you learned in Gender Studies classes, that says men oppressed women. It didn’t happen. Men protected women, especially kin. Saying it over and over again does not make it true. It's also incredibly dismissive to believe that only your viewpoint is objectively established. It sounds almost completely subjective, and doesn't even have any kind of what's called a "hermeneutic" in it (a way to establish the difference betwe…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 05:52 PM
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Who determines what is normal or correct in non-factual matters? Consensus among groups via transmission of norms. I personally think asserting that something is childish is an opinion that can be latched onto socially in a group setting, and if enough people agree it creates a (and only one) consensus (among many others). I think that's okay, bc I trust my idea of child-vs-adult is healthier than most. A lot of people be stupid up in hurr. And, besides, it will be checked democratically anyway …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 05:40 PM
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It's not ever a test of bravery unless you've been traumatized by words. I have some compassion for people who have, but turning to not only normalizing anonymous posts on the Internet as "Bravery" when it's really "coping with trauma" or just having fun, or just learning something, or just killing time--... ... But also glorifying them as some sort of revolutionary act...? ... No. Fuck that. I'm not lowering the bar for adulthood any lower than it already is. It's also the opposite of how you h…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 04:29 PM
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Or they have a different definition as you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 04:28 PM
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So? Some standards of adulthood should be normalized. They just shouldn't be based on gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 04:27 PM
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They're also driven by money and power. And not all of that is to score sex, bc a lot of times they already have a partner secured as they've oppressed women and refused to let them vote. "Many categories of men"-- if the RP movement has its way-- are going to be subjugated AGAIN unless they pretend to be Chads. And women will have to sit around bored and made fun of for developing "hysteria" when they're just fucking bored but don't want to face violent competition with men just to make a buck.…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 04:26 PM
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No. Men (and some women, probably) would need to try harder to get that pushed into the dialogue, but they'd have to demonstrate what it means.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 04:25 PM
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PART 5 No, I think capitalism ... demonstrated their value, rather than to people because they exist, possess to ability to consume things, and vote. Your values. You want them to not only demonstrate values to stand a chance and have basic needs, but to demonstrate your values, and any value changes that occur in society conveniently are worthy of contempt deserving of murder because "BIOLOGY". That is authoritarian rhetoric. You're claiming libertarianism here, but as soon as you gender it in …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 04:03 PM
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u/the_calibre_cat PART 4 Freedom, in the male/libertarian vernacular is not "freedom" in the female/leftist vernacular. More males that are traditionally masculine in our society are in lock-step with majoritarianism. The smaller minority of right-libertarians are actually closer to Blue in terms of more widespread rejection of essentialism. &nbsp About a little over half of women in my country-- a gigantic country-- are more likely to be right democratists/republicans (conservatives, fusionists…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 04:01 PM
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u/the_calibre_cat PART 3 Long story short, I don't think men can be freed from these expectations, because social expectations will always be there and people don't exist in a vacuum. Only because you don't want to free yourself, bc it justifies your overarching right-wing worldview. At least stop pretending this has anything to do with gender. It has to do with getting more sex, and winning more power, and turning away from positive liberties for people who aren't hyper-masculine to the point o…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 04:00 PM
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u/the_calibre_cat PART 2 like the fact that men are attracted to thin, shapely women, like the fact that women are the gatekeepers of sex, etc. I think that has to do with media exposure. I went no-porn for awhile-- and refused to engage in mass media, and even social media-- and my sexual tastes spread out to include much more stuff that-- after returning to porn-- I started veering away from. Note, "No-porn" was not No-Fap or voluntary celibacy. The less involved in media (pornographized cultu…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 04:00 PM
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u/the_calibre_cat PART 1 (cont in Replies) I'm not going to respond to all four of your responses. Definitely not-- it went really long. I really did start seeing your evaluation as a good learning experience. First off, I can't really take that seriously. I identify as "purple pill," which is acknowledgement of the obvious, beaten-to-death Blue Pill axioms - I don't think gay and transgender people should be excommunicated from society, I don't think women should be forbidden from working/votin…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 03:59 PM
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That, or it's extremely insecure.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 07:10 AM
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Argument too convenient. Try again
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 07:10 AM
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GlassWormm is trying to confirm biases. Just ignore it. Part of what gives people with poor arguments any sense of normalization is that people take it seriously and comment on it. They're going to use whatever you say against you-- it's what they're here for.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 07:07 AM
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This is pretty obvious. Read the person up there that literally just said "bullying" is the valid response to something they view as having been mortally robbed and humiliated by a cabal of women who are wired to hurt most of them. It's pretty savage a worldview, but it's supposedly not men's responsibility to tighten up the way they treat each other?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 07:03 AM
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Maybe men really suck at it, and bullying is a failed strategy?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 07:01 AM
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Ideally act. Ideally. TRP is literally about basing your entire worldview around it, rather than focusing on consequences. Princeso already said "raw impulses" were separate from "motivation". I don't allow my raw impulses to be my motivations. It's what our big brains are for.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 06:58 AM
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I think it locks men in a pointless fight. I actually think it's kind of pathetic to base your identity on how you vie for sex. Like, all this talk about "It's just a strategy", but then it's doubled-up with "And gotta base my whole personality and value system!" on it seems like doublespeak to me. Which is it? Non-scientific pragmatism? Or an ideology thinktank? And why do so many people in TRP seem so inconsistnet about this point? Are you a robot animal or a human being?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 06:55 AM
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Yeah, it's just authoritarian Freudian garbo.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 06:54 AM
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I don't see Internet forums and circlejerking as "brave", though. Especially on reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 06:52 AM
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I'm the same way and I'm gay. Not doing it for pussy or dick. Freud's already been discredited. Move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 06:51 AM
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How, when they couldn't vote for centuries?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 06:47 AM
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Right? I was abused as a kid, but I didn't start thinking half the population was evil.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 06:39 AM
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PART 4 Frankly, I'm more compassionate in my day-to-day than I should be. I could be much further along in life if I had the strength to tell a lot of my friends, who have absolutely been fucking leeches, to sod off and figure out their shit on someone else's paycheck. Some. But I also know that poltiical rhetoric is designed to make you overestimate how many people are doing that so you deliberately vote against whichever group opposes the rightism in any given nation. Political expedience. but…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 06:36 AM
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PART 3 You're demanding that society ignore biology. No, I'm not. A few wingnuts are, yes. But they suck. which is literally demanding society to ignore reality. Not really. If I don't believe that biology plays that much of a role, it's not something I consider reality. This argument is older than religion. Subjectivism vs objectivism, and which is the right balance in between. Essence vs substance. Consequence vs intention. Etc, etc, etc.... I think it's very naive to assume that the arguments…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 06:36 AM
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PART 2 I didn't say they can't be. I just said they aren't. I value men who merely exist, even if they're infertile, because I can identify with them through the mutual experience of being a man. That's not important to me. That's homogeneity at play-- I'd rather identify with people who are different than me, bc I like a challenge. That also means I like to (try) and identify with the parts of masculinity (and even the socially-constructed 'normal' manhood) that I believe are healthy and valuab…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 06:36 AM
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PART 1 That's a cop-out, as far as I'm concerned. You can say that you don't believe nature has a zero impact, but your rhetoric belies the suggestion that - for all intents and purposes, you don't. For your intents and purposes, I don't. I've changed a lot of, and worked in spite of a lot of, and genuinely reversed a lot of, things about myself that were supposedly developmentally pre-determined. Sort of like gravity, and relativity. You aware of what a "theory" is, in science? Yes. But you sai…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 06:35 AM
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Do you believe men would be better off if they didn't get so invested in the games they "have to" play?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 02:57 AM
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Any rigidly defined and enforced gender role is toxic. Make it less toxic.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 02:54 AM
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I would also say "gullible hurting adults". Some of the people on both sides seem downright traumatized to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 02:53 AM
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I would just truncate it to "a real adult", bc any man or woman or enby who can't define their own gender identity based on their own value systems-- divorced from expectations-- is still a child to me, mentally.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 02:51 AM
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That sounds like "bromance" culture (the emotional liberation movement between men who are friends), not "dudebro" culture (the hyper-masculine recapitulation of traditional gender roles).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 02:50 AM
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Gender is fragile when people stop buying into it in greater numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 02:44 AM
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Gender is fragile when people stop buying into it in greater numbers.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 02:44 AM
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I believe in doing things. Just not in valuing them just bc they're part of a game.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 02:41 AM
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Saying it over and over again doesn't make it true.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 02:35 AM
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Grammarians are not a valid authority for contested concepts. Dominance in terms of human behavior is a contested concept. I'm discrediting the use of an authority-only argument to determine a case in which you're establishing something as better or worse without context, for something that is not cut-and-dry. Human behaviors and how to categorize them are not anywhere near as cut-and-dry as other animals. A dictionary definition does not suffice here, and using one in such a flimsy manner is an…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 02:27 AM
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Dictionary is a consensus definition. Consensuses have clearly changed since most dictionary entries were established. You're making an appeal to authority, and a weak one at that ("the dictionary"), which is submissive, for example. Submitting to authority. Deciding something is important based solely on some consensus reached by grammarians. That^ is reasoning. (ethos, logos, pathos) Saying that being able to use a very specific kind of firearm better than another person = "dominance" is not r…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 01:59 AM
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No, I'm choosing to believe that nature has a non-zero impact on our behaviors. You're choosing to believe that nature's impact on our behaviors is no more than zero. You're choosing to believe that my statements indicated that I believe it has a zero impact. I simply said it's not as great of an impact as you're stating. Not-*not-zero =/= zero. I know which of the two I consider to be an extremist position, and it's not the one that argues genetics don't inform behaviors. Never said it didn't. …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 01:55 AM
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No, it would assert that you're capable of honing one specific skill. Many more skills would need to be tested-- and consensus reached as to what is and isn't "dominant"-- before you could make that claim. And, even then, it doesn't say which one is better.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 01:36 AM
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True. Wasted minds annoy me too. Clearly, ad homs annoy you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 01:33 AM
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I never said you can't follow the impulse. It's just kinda dumb to value it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 01:31 AM
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No, that would just prove that some people are better snipers than others.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 01:30 AM
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Calling an analogy "stupid" =/= ad hom. Also, stupidity should unnerve you a little bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 01:24 AM
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No, I believe that due to what men bring to the table, this is how society will always view men. Nope. If people were valued for a blend of doing, being, and thinking-- regardless of gender-- this would erode or become marginally important. You're choosing to believe in what's called a "biological essentialist" argument, and those are just as hotly-contested as "social construct" arguments. And that, honestly? It's not a bad thing. Socially enforcing weakness is just stupid Seeing doing as param…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 01:20 AM
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responding means a nerve was touched = your response means my response touched your nerves
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 01:07 AM
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I'm saying both categories are too broad. And I'm also saying I seriously doubt they're used in a rational manner that has anything to do with gauging the world honestly. They're both "coping mechanisms", trying desperately to oversimplify human behavior. Even adding in "Omega" only barely helps.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 01:06 AM
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Some are better in some contexts. Some are worse in those same contexts. I'm not against weighing honest pros and cons in a context-specific fashion. And I'm not against categorization in general. I'm against assuming "better" in context (an ethical argument) applies to "better" in general (a moral argument). And I'm against overly-rigid categories. "Alpha" and "Beta" are stupid, overly-rigid, contextless categories. It's only a coping mechanism if you're making a crap-ton of assumptions about w…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 01:04 AM
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That's nice. Nobody else does, least of all, feminists. This is just two appeals to status quo viewpoints. You're choosing to believe that this is how men should be. My argument is that that's not biological-- it's social, and it shows weak boundaries. If you came to the conclusion that doing is more important, it should apply equally to all people regardless of gender. Yes, I am. I consider that to be the realistic and mature choice to make. In the event that you truly did choose this-- and wer…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 12:58 AM
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Read my post history. I've blatantly stated that differences exist. My issue is crowning one difference over the other based on stupid, non-scientific analogies.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 12:48 AM
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I've always rejected the idea that I need to base my worth on what I do. I have a penis and working sex organs. You're choosing to base your worth on "do" rather than "be". Feminists are under no obligation to call your choose a destiny.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 12:34 AM
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Bc one is about non-humans, biological certainties, and involves two rigid categories, and the other is about humans, social constructions, and involves humans with minds and complex emotions. It's a stupid analogy. It's overgeneralizing, its premises are flawed.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 12:32 AM
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TBP denied it's not true and made up in animals, across any species as well. I could give two shits less what they're doing. The whole reason this sub exists is bc both sides are ridiculous. Co-opting rhetoric from one side and applying it to the other, it's still ridiculous. Also, since TRP has almost four times the amount of people as TBP, it's also very likely that there are sock-puppets pretending to be TBP, anyway, so you can't really gauge any of that seriously. it's denying that timid/shy…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 12:25 AM
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It's a stupid analogy. I don't think it requires the need for a coping mechanism to think it's a stupid analogy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 12:20 AM
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The link doesn't apply any of that research to humans. Sure, some people who are stupid enough to apply it to humans might also find some relief that it assuages whatever shame that other idiots tried pouring into their veins. That doesn't mean that anyone who disagrees with unscientific crap are disagreeing for that reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 12:09 AM
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So? Why do you need other people's approval for your masculinity?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 12:03 AM
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"Feminist theory" is sociology, a science.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 10:48 PM
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Again, nuance. What you're calling "reality", I call objective reality. What you call "narrative", I call intersubjective reality (consensus reality). There is only one objective reality. There are multiple intersubjective realities, bc there are multiple groups of people that can combine in many different ways ("inter" between, "subject" person/s). You're arguing semantics, and you didn't dive into semantics until I publicly implied that Trumpism has its own consensus realities. In your languag…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 07:16 PM
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"Tenuous" masculinity, then? So narrow that it's bound to both restrict and break constantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 07:09 PM
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I think the point is that they believe society's power in mostly in the hands of men, so in terms of hurtful causes in a cause-and-effect chain, the view is that "society" and "men" are synonymous. I think they don't make this clear on the Internet, bc... well... a lot of people suck at messaging when they're emotionally invested.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 07:05 PM
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Men are always defined (by male-dominated power structures) by their actions. So change the definition. Advocate for multiple masculinities.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 07:04 PM
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Evolution is a theory, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 06:56 PM
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That makes it a feeling and an impulse. You don't have to value that feeling or impulse.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 06:53 PM
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My point stands that Trumpism has consensus realities within it, just like whoever you're calling "Clinton Democrats". I didn't ask you how you voted. De-escalate from feeling like you need to defend your vote.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 06:36 PM
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Nuance evades you. That's not my problem. Actually, you were completely non-critical of the nuances in my post... ... until I implied that people who didn't vote for Hillary are just as likely to be brainwashed as people who did vote for her. Some woman clearly traumatized you somewhere. Be a bigger person and don't let it affect your politics.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 01:52 PM
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I don't live in any of the consensus realities I mentioned. I just refuse to deny that the trends don't exist. Yes, they're narratives. All I'm hearing from you "I found someone who uses different words to describe the same things as me, and I really REALLY wanna point out how they 'live in delusion' bc it points out how I don't! Not sure I read what they said critically, but god dammit it gives me a nice excuse to place myself above this person!" ("Gotta make sure I add 'It's a free country' at…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 02:48 AM
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"React how I expect you to, and it proves I'm right."
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/16 01:28 AM
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Two circlejerks on the Internet got really annoying, one got really big (on Reddit) and largely outnumbered the other (on Reddit), and trolled it. Purple came along as a compromise bc fighting was frigging annoying and pointless. The argument on both sides is "You actually outnumber me and are ruining society!" The purple argument is "No, both of you are, even if I agree with one of you more, your messaging is terrible and you look really stupid and pathetic to outsiders." OR "Both suck equally.…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/16 11:40 PM
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People are overestimating themselves to a degree i didn't think was possible. No, they're selling themselves bc it's a dating website and they think they're expected to sell themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/16 11:35 PM
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"Consensus reality" is a narrative. You're discussing the difference between an essential reality (objective) and a collective reality (intersubjective)-- the third might be called a solipsistic reality (subjective, but developed internally). I believe the modifiers "collective" or "consensus" make it abundantly clear that I'm not talking about a pre-eminent, essential reality. We're social animals. We're actually much more likely to internalize a consensus reality than we are to externalize a p…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/16 11:09 PM
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I definitely never said that there are postmodern traditionalists. Postmodernists and traditionalists are at complete odds with one another (currently, for dumb reasons). These are loose categories (9 of them, actually) to provide some mental shortcuts. If those categories threaten you and trigger thoughts of being restricted, you're making a huge assumption that you can't move freely across the spectrum I provided. If labels restrict you rather than help you analyze the world around you, that s…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/16 11:07 PM
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/nods/ Brocialistssssss, ughhhhhh Bros in general, ughhhh
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/16 12:19 AM
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I really just meant that people learn how to identify their own ideologies rather than labeling them based on what they've been spoon-fed.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/16 12:18 AM
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Not a Marxist, no. I meant to include that postmodernists are also in RP and Alt-Right. I doubt many would be modernists, bc that's where a lot of the stuff that neoreaction rails against comes from.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/16 12:17 AM
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And mine
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/16 10:12 PM
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And mine
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/16 10:12 PM
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Neocons are a stone's throw from Neoliberals, anyway. It's getting so grey, but people are somehow tranced into thinking it's black-and-white
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/16 08:46 PM
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It's pretty scary. :( Most of my fear is of average, stupid citizens consuming media all the time and glued to their smartphones. That strikes more fear in me come voting time than anything else. Notice, in the year where political correctness was supposed to have its symbolic end, you still can't call a decision a stupid decision without getting SJW-levels of "Don't vote shame me!"
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/16 08:25 PM
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It's still only one consensus reality. My post is about how there's three that have stood the test of time in my country.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/16 08:21 PM
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I see it just "left" (in USA, closer to centre-left in terms of the postmoderns who are most likely to squabble) vs "right" (right-of-centre-right, the current average of the agitative traditionalists) on steroids. I think the further left or right people go, the less they can handle opposing consensus realities. Left will react in a way that makes pathological appeals to cooperation (agitative propaganda about group liberties), and Right will react in a way that makes pathological appeals to co…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/16 08:16 PM
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I'm only talking about smart people. I think most people are probably really stupid and banal. But stupid people can be taught to NOT react, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/16 08:10 PM
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That's not consensus. Data-driven models had a consensus, but that's bc their samples were hyper-focused on social minorities. That's not the kind of consensus I'm talking about here. That's data consensus, informatics. I'm talking about the consensus realities that still exist and were battling each other all year (and every four years... and in some outlets, all year every year). At least this time, we were spared the full scope of the group think's disaster. Nah. We just got a different group…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/16 08:08 PM
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This is a great post OP. I like how you tie people's attitudes on recent events to their underlying assumptions and world view. It would be a bad move to NOT learn from this year. I would describe myself as a conservative-leaning libertarian. Or so far to the right that I'm actually kinda left. Radical centrist is another way to describe me. I basically take the framework of libertarianism and modify it to suit what I think are pressing issues and the most effective solutions. Hmm.... Libertaria…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/16 08:03 PM
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Socialists are far-left. Not specific enough to consider it "alt". Manarchists and Nazbols fit that, but I think there's more democratic socialists than authoritarian ones in USA right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/16 07:45 PM
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? Politicians on both sides have been doing this for a long time. However, this is the first time I've seen non-politicians do it to each other. It's petty, and it blurs the real enemy: Corrupt politicians. Freaking out and boosting the profile of a corrupt businessman who will be a "corrupt politician" as soon as he steps foot in the office-- all bc of a few idiotic things you saw on TV or the Internet-- seems hella immature. No one "deserves" a bad political move.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/16 07:42 PM
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Polarized emotions are-- they don't have to spread to worldviews. That's what media exposure does: Twists a reaction that can be limited by mature people to a simply emotional bias, and turns it into social movements.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/16 07:41 PM
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http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/10/20/the-anti-reactionary-faq/
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/16 07:40 PM
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SSC! :) Thank you! I considered posting this there, but it seems more appropriate for more gen-pop audiences. I am not a clever man. :o
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/16 07:21 PM
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That's probably a distortion of your perception of his voter base, due to how much heat smaller portions of them have been taking for defecting from voting for Hillary. I think the latest was that only about 15% (still enough) of Bernie supporters refused to vote "Lesser Evil"-- in their minds as a voting bloc, and in mine, and in people like Chomsky, $Shilldawg was Lesser Evil. Yes, I do in fact consider that alleged 15% (and people who always freak out and eat from the hands of Green Party eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/16 07:20 PM
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I divert to calling both sides ("alt right", "alt left") the Comments-Section [Right/Left] bc that's about the only place anyone takes them seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/16 07:15 PM
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The culture war has been eating us alive for decades. Yes, the way people make up phantom enemies is definitely something both sides do. Nonstop blue victories since before most of us were born. I assume you mean nonstop leftist victories, which is hardly the case in the global scheme. Reacting against a mostly symbolic win with Obama (one office) seems like an overreaction to me. Now the reds get some big wins for the first time in FOREVER with Brexit and Trump and the sky is falling, culture w…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/16 07:13 PM
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I'm more concerned with how the mainstream Left is processing this. From the outside, it probably makes the radical Left look even more untenable than it already did to them. I'm left-of-centre-left, but not really a full-on radical (I'm willing to compromise toward the centre to a degree), and I can see mainstream politicians blurring the line between the "New Left" which has been around for awhile and this illusory, shapeshifting "Alt-Left". They do exist-- they're small, but they do exist, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/16 02:52 PM
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I agree the alt-left is small, but it's still gained some rhetorical traction this year. It just contributes to political fracturing, unfortunately, bc social media makes them believe they're larger than they are, makes people freak out and fight each other, etc.... Regardless of size, Alt-Right works more in-concert with the mainstream and emerging "new" right coalitions-- Alt-Left doesn't work in-concert with mainstream and "new" left coalitions (they're annoying little shits if you ask me). S…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/16 02:33 PM
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I'd say Red Pill didn't form in order to facilitate discussion. And going into their space thinking you can discuss it is actually part of what they want: Sensation, boosted view counts, drama, controversy.... Bc they're very machiavellian by nature. And Blue Pill will just get pissed off at that and continue to feed into it, and even tip into taking on the same tactics. This isn't how a "feminist culture" re-masculinizes itself-- it's just how a divided culture becomes narcissistic in its divis…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/16 02:17 PM
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I don't see why Purple Pillers (people who see both Blues and Reds for what they are) and No-Pillers (people who reject thinking about this kinda stuff at all) would need to be at the throats of anyone. I thought the whole point of Purple Pill was to create some sort of dialectical fusion of the two pills, not fight either side..? I think strict Red Pill adherence is out-moded, uses crap, outdated science, is heavily egotistical and breeds sadism and sociopathy. I think strict Blue Pill adherenc…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/16 02:15 PM
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Not exactly. National politics creates a bunch of memes and tropes out of almost nothing other than the "culture war" (people fighting each other as if they know for a fact that their goals in life are diametrically opposed, when in reality, only the way they speak in public spaces are different superficially). Those memes and tropes eventually entrench people against one another, and then whichever side wins in national politics ends up getting a platform to channel their memes and tropes into …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/16 01:11 AM
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I think that's more a side-effect of the pornographication of society (which women were internalizing a lot before, and now they're rejecting), not a return of traditional masculinity. Men are now internalizing the body-image memes of modernism, and are facing more explicit objectification from both themselves and people of other genders. The reaction to that is to buy into gyming as some kind of cultural mandate of "true masculinity" (virtue signaling "I'm a real dude" from one bro to the next)…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 10:42 PM
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Perhaps the perception of people as "Chad" is increasing, regardless of the reality of whoever they assume is a "Chad".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 02:31 AM
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Traditionalist versions of masculinity (and ones that are congruent with mass-media's version of "attractive") will have what you're calling an AlphaPass, but only specifically with women who have internalized preferences from mass-media and who are also traditionally feminine. The reason men are struggling with this concept is that this kind of man will now-- today-- net less sexual partners bc less women are buying into the traditional program. If anything, that should be relieving to a TRPer-…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 12:48 AM
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P sure the fashion movement is from Japan, and people conflate that with the lolicon which is short for "Lolita complex" (bc they use 'n' for M). That refers specifically to the mental/emotional complex of older dudes fetishizing the lolita fashion movement. Not fetishizing the actions of the dude in the novel. (Note, the original meaning of "lolita complex" was from an English speaker, who was referring to the pedophilia itself. But then Japan co-opted that terminology and some people use it's …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/16 12:39 AM
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