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FFS the purpose of marriage is not your own happiness it's for the good of society. The purpose of marriage is raising children. If everybody lived the life of a bachelor, society would choke to death because children would not be raised properly. We need men to get married. Fuck your freedom. A family with a husband, wife, and children is the foundation of society. Yeh yeh divorce courts blah blah. We need the red pill to start thinking long-term instead of just short-term and about the prosper…
/r/TheRedPill07/05/18 05:32 AM
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The point is to weaken Western society until it is soft enough for a foreign culture to take over.
/r/TheRedPill04/05/18 08:51 AM
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I just started reading Rhetoric by Aristotle and it's life changing. I didn't realise how little I knew. Aristotle defines things like happiness, success, prosperity, and it feels like I'm only now starting to comprehend the nuts and bolts of life. Was that your experience? What is your favourite work by Aristotle?
/r/TheRedPill20/04/18 05:25 AM
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There are three types of education Working class education. This is the conveyor belt education in the modern west. Basic literacy. Original thinking is punished while conformity and obedience is rewarded. Middle class education. This is the professional education you find in universities like law, engineering, health etc. Ruling class education. This is the leadership education for the top 3%. Private one on one tutoring. Read the classics. Learn history inside and out. Understand the trivium (…
/r/TheRedPill06/04/18 08:10 AM
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Social anxiety is nothing more than your body signalling to other people that you're a low status loser. Nervous body language in social situations is like having a sign on your forehead saying "keep away! I'm unsuccessful and can only drag you down". The only way to achieve strong, confident body language is to be a high-status winner in life. You can't fool your body. It sees behind your mask and knows your secrets and will - yes WILL - broadcast them to the world.
/r/TheRedPill12/03/18 09:46 PM
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Your best bet is to find a christian girl. Most of em are looking for only marriage and families
/r/TheRedPill11/03/18 02:57 AM
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I think dolorism is the best mindset. Pursue discomfort. Pursue adversity. Enjoy struggle.
/r/becomeaman17/02/18 10:20 PM
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Doesn't change the fact that positive thinking leads to positive results and negative thinking leads to negative results
/r/TheRedPill12/02/18 11:02 PM
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Christianity has reformed itself many times since its inception. Religions work still today. Look at the recent growth of islam. Don't be scared to prescribe to an idea or way of life that wasn't your own original idea. Be humble and understand there are greater minds in the world besides your own. The man, even the genius, who holds his own opinions at the expense of all others will end up holding a handful of dust. Good luck bro.
/r/TheRedPill09/02/18 04:09 AM
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The majority of popular ideologies e.g. islam or christianity exist because they work in the real world. Natural selection has chosen them over centuries of pressure. Following an ideology isn't necessarily a bad decision.
/r/TheRedPill09/02/18 01:11 AM
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I feel like you are advocating for fence-sitting, that anybody who "takes a side" in politics or religion is a plugged-in sheep. That's not true. I understand what you mean. Think for yourself. Don't accept a set of ideas just because they're popular or pleasurable. I agree. But don't be afraid to get off the fence and take a side.
/r/TheRedPill08/02/18 11:10 PM
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Marriage is (was) the foundation of western civilisation. Why? Because it allowed men to pass on their values to their children. In today's hook-up, pump-and-dump world, the only men who are passing on their values are effeminate betas. The more the institution of marriage erodes, the more the west erodes.
/r/TheRedPill04/02/18 06:10 AM
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Lucifer and satan are one and the same
/r/TheRedPill09/01/18 02:03 AM
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What have these suggestions got to do with satan?
/r/TheRedPill08/01/18 11:47 PM
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Not sure. I've tried finding it but I can't. Sorry
/r/TheRedPill28/12/17 12:00 AM
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There are more kinds of pain than physical. My point still stands.
/r/TheRedPill27/12/17 08:42 AM
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That's because marriage was between one man and one woman for life. Divorce was rare. Adultery was looked down on. In other words, there was a woman for every man and a man for every woman. A chicken in every pot, as Henry viii said. An alpha had no more sex than a beta until the invention of the pill and free love feminist bullshit 50 years ago. My point still stands.
/r/TheRedPill21/12/17 08:20 AM
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Marry a church - going virgin. Problem solved.
/r/TheRedPill17/12/17 10:46 PM
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Records are like $40 a pot
/r/TheRedPill08/12/17 03:26 AM
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So you'd rather live in a christian country than a muslim country? I thought so. Sharia law doesn't smell so nice next to the glories of christianity. Thanks for your honesty.
/r/TheRedPill04/12/17 11:13 PM
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Compare a christian country and a muslim country - you wouldn't rather live in the christian country where there's democracy and freedom of speech? Cmon bro. Stop talking shit.
/r/TheRedPill04/12/17 10:44 PM
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Have you ever met anybody from pakistan or sudan or somalia? I'd say no.
/r/TheRedPill04/12/17 12:58 PM
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Abandoning gender roles is like cutting off the branch we are sitting on. It is turning our back on the very thing that got us here in the first place. Western history in all its glory must be taught in schools. That is the first step to solving this problem.
/r/TheRedPill03/12/17 09:53 PM
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You've clearly never travelled much.
/r/TheRedPill02/12/17 09:24 PM
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The words "love thy neighbor" must just turn them into monsters
/r/TheRedPill30/11/17 10:34 PM
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So all the words attributed to Jesus were made up afterwards? That's a bold claim. You're going to need proof. But you don't have proof. Your declaration is nothing more than an interesting possibility. Meanwhile the words of Jesus continue to this day to give hope, inspire, and rebuild broken lives. The words of Jesus are a force for good in the world. Why do hate what is good?
/r/TheRedPill30/11/17 05:14 AM
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Cheers for the article. It's pure gold. Love aom.
/r/TheRedPill30/11/17 03:53 AM
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Augustine was influential therefore ... what? You don't have a point and you're not making much sense. I have very little patience for time wasters.
/r/TheRedPill30/11/17 03:51 AM
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You are wrong, sir. The purpose of marriage has nothing to do with the relationship between the man and woman. Marriage was designed to raise healthy, capable children. Fathers must be present in a child's life for this to happen. When men are having multiple sexual partners, it decreases the chance they will stick around for their kids. Single mothers become rife. In other words, the west was built upon the family unit of a married man and woman with children. The more marriage declines, the mo…
/r/TheRedPill30/11/17 02:36 AM
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I agree. This isn't the place to debate religion. Farewell.
/r/TheRedPill30/11/17 02:24 AM
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Okay. I see your point. But I think you're being too cynical. The dudes who wrote the bible weren't machievellian masterminds who wanted to power. They were just regular dudes. How do you explain why christianity works so well? It holds communities together like superglue. Pretty weird coincidence if all the biblical authors wanted was to manipulate people. Unless they wanted to manipulate everybody into having an awesome life, in which case it makes sense.
/r/TheRedPill30/11/17 12:41 AM
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When I read the bible, the idea of willingly enduring suffering for what is right jumps out at me as a core principal of Christianity. And yet nowhere is it taught in modern churches. They have replaced it with comfort and hedonism.
/r/TheRedPill30/11/17 12:32 AM
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Good post. What's your opinion on sex before marriage?
/r/TheRedPill30/11/17 12:27 AM
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What do you mean Augustine came up with it? Came up with what? The church? Read the words of Jesus. There's nothing sick about it. It's a life-affirming philosophy. Haven't you ever been suspicious as to why the less Christian the west gets, the worse it gets?
/r/TheRedPill29/11/17 01:32 PM
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I agree with you for the most part. I was an atheist for six years or so. But I don't agree that Christianity was invented to control people. Yes, Christianity is about submission. But submission to God, not a human being. And to a Christian, God is perfect justice. So submission means taking a vow to live the best life you possibly can. Have you ever read the Christian gospels? E.g. the sermon on the mount in Matthew? For me, that's what Christianity is about. Give it a read.
/r/TheRedPill29/11/17 12:36 PM
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That's not true. France returned to monarchy forty years after they beheaded Louis xvi. Culture never turns in a direction anybody can control? Hitler turned Germany into his personal playground within a matter of years. Culture is malleable.
/r/TheRedPill29/11/17 09:46 AM
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You can't shift culture? Cultures change all the time
/r/TheRedPill29/11/17 08:45 AM
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Cheers. I'll give it a read.
/r/TheRedPill29/11/17 07:11 AM
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You're over thinking this one, Brother.
/r/TheRedPill27/11/17 10:39 PM
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I don't have the research mate, sorry. If I was writing a university essay I would go into that much detail. But this is reddit. I don't care enough.
/r/TheRedPill26/11/17 10:40 PM
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Yes he is. And a racist cunt too. I told him I didn't want islam in my country and he threatened me with a knife. True story.
/r/TheRedPill24/11/17 12:25 PM
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I have. Churches and cathedrals are everywhere.
/r/TheRedPill24/11/17 12:40 AM
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Dude, it's just common sense. Look at the wave of transgenderism taking over the west. Look at the declining t levels of western men. Look at the gay agenda. Look at the consumer/video game lifestyle of most young men. None of this is happening in patriarchal countries. There is a clear agenda to feminise western men - and it's working.
/r/TheRedPill24/11/17 12:39 AM
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Humans started wearing clothes probably 150-200 thousand years ago. That was before language. They more or less lived like animals. Hunting prey and running away from lions. Rape and violence would have been extremely common.
/r/TheRedPill24/11/17 12:35 AM
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True. The internet has a lot to do with this.
/r/TheRedPill24/11/17 12:31 AM
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Intetesting response. You make a good point. But I think the problem is deeper than that. Non-western men are far more masculine than western men. Considering mass immigration, this is bad news. If western men don't man up, the west is dead. Otherwise I agree with you.
/r/TheRedPill23/11/17 11:53 AM
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Visit any warm western city in summer. Or go out on a Saturday night.
/r/TheRedPill23/11/17 08:01 AM
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So you don't think women en masse wearing almost nothing doesn't have an effect on society? Good for you, old chap.
/r/TheRedPill23/11/17 07:47 AM
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So you're saying that women been walking around in public with their tits out from ancient Rome through the Middle Ages up until the advent of Feminism? Smells like bullshit
/r/TheRedPill23/11/17 07:15 AM
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Can you agree that women en masse walking around half-naked is detrimental to society? It's a feminist middle-finger at men. Women expose themselves in the name of 'freedom' but it's all bullshit. It's deliberate disdain for the male sex drive - which, to a large degree, cannot be controlled.
/r/TheRedPill22/11/17 11:09 PM
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People brought up in a conservative house usually only fail to succeed sexually because they live in a degenerate party/hook-up culture. 100 years ago, before the contraceptive pill, they would have killed it.
/r/TheRedPill22/11/17 11:02 PM
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True. But violence and rape would have been daily occurrences before clothes (which would have been more than 100,000 years ago). We don't want this to happen. We need clothes. Plus it's cold.
/r/TheRedPill22/11/17 10:59 PM
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For the most part, Christian conservatism built the west you live in. It's a system that works. Things haven't been going so well since WWI. We should return to our roots.
/r/TheRedPill22/11/17 10:57 PM
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I'm not advocating rape. I said the West should return to conservative ideals. Female modesty is one of them.
/r/TheRedPill22/11/17 10:55 PM
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I never suggested a way men should conduct themselves. I suggested women should dress more modestly.
/r/TheRedPill22/11/17 10:54 PM
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I'm surprised there has been such a negative response to my post. I think most men have a kneejerk reaction to Christian/religious ideas such as female modesty - which has been a staple of Western society for hundreds if not thousands of years and only recently been changed because of Feminism and the 60s. I also find the trend of amorality on this sub - i.e. morality does not exist, I don't have to care about other people, as long as I am enjoying myself that's all that matters - is disturbing.…
/r/TheRedPill22/11/17 10:53 PM
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Women walking around nearly naked in public is new in the west. Up until now women were forced to be modest. There's nothing normal about it. It's abnormal.
/r/TheRedPill22/11/17 10:45 PM
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That's called selfishness, Brother. Selfishness is bad.
/r/TheRedPill22/11/17 10:42 PM
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Live music is different because it's played at a set time and you can only hear it once. Everything else is pernicious because it's instant and everywhere. You can't even go to the shops without hearing pop music. Like porn, it desensitises the human brain to beauty.
/r/TheRedPill22/11/17 10:46 AM
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Yes, we're desensitised to the female form. Especially because of porn. And that's a bad thing that should be changed.
/r/TheRedPill22/11/17 10:42 AM
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I think western culture should be changed instead of adapted to.
/r/TheRedPill22/11/17 07:52 AM
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'Proactively' is a nice way to put it. My beef is that when women can walk around in public nearly naked it has a detrimental effect on society.
/r/TheRedPill22/11/17 07:51 AM
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Stop listening to so much music and the fluff will go away. Seriously, go for a month without listening to music. Embrace the silence of the world. It'll be the hardest thing you've ever done but by the end of it you'll feel like you've been born again.
/r/TheRedPill22/11/17 06:40 AM
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A lot of good stuff here but I think your point about cosmetics is absurd. If you aren't good looking, don't get surgery.
/r/TheRedPill12/11/17 10:59 PM
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Tradition exists, for the most part, because it works. Really well. Rejecting an idea or lifestyle because it was created by another man is insane. Does embracing democracy and language and science and philosophy make you weak and submissive? No. You can't make it through life without borrowing from others.
/r/TheRedPill09/11/17 10:50 PM
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So long as men aren't getting married, children won't be raised properly. So long as children aren't raised properly, western society will continue downhill.
/r/TheRedPill09/11/17 10:39 PM
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Competition is moral because it improves society. Nothing wrong with competition. You said that the only thing that matters is if your actions affect you personally. You don't really believe that do you? Have you heard of the golden rule? This is basic. I honestly don't even know what we're arguing about anymore.
/r/TheRedPill07/11/17 03:35 AM
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Immorality is any action that harms society. If something benefits you but harms someone else, it's immoral. Don't do it. Very simple. There are forms of masculinity that harm society. Masculinity is dangerous. It's like fire - either very good or very bad. Never neutral. Questions of right and wrong matter.
/r/TheRedPill07/11/17 01:45 AM
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Give me an example of something that's immoral but has no negative consequences. We might just have different definitions of what immoral means.
/r/TheRedPill06/11/17 10:19 PM
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How can something be the best tool and immoral? If it's immoral then it's having a negative effect on the people around you therefore it's not the best tool. The amoral tone a lot of guys have an this sub scares me. E.g. as long as it helps me get women I can do whatever I want. Masculinity is power. Questions of right and wrong for people with power are extremely important.
/r/TheRedPill05/11/17 10:29 PM
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The concept of morality I.e. right and wrong is not blue pill. You do realise there are some behaviors that are better than others?
/r/TheRedPill05/11/17 07:27 AM
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Why don't you believe in morality?
/r/TheRedPill05/11/17 03:03 AM
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Positive masculinity is superior to toxic masculinity. Just because they can score you the same amount of women doesn't mean they're equal.
/r/TheRedPill04/11/17 10:29 PM
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But we live in a moral world therefore positive masculinity is better than toxic.
/r/TheRedPill04/11/17 09:39 PM
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I'm from Australia. I remember taking a literature unit at university. We analysed Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban. Who would have thought HP was not a kids book but a treasure chest of racism and sexism. I actually walked out. Insane.
/r/TheRedPill03/11/17 09:07 PM
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As A Man Thinketh by James Allen
/r/TheRedPill03/11/17 04:03 AM
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This is sad. The west can't survive if it won't have children. Feminism is the cause. It dragged women out of the home. So long as women aren't confined to a certain extent, marriage just doesn't work like it should. The current hook up culture will die off because it can't sustain itself. In order for a culture to thrive, men need to be able to pass their values on to their children.
/r/TheRedPill30/10/17 02:15 AM
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Toxic masculinity exists because it is like fire. Masculinity will either cook your dinner or cook you. It will either warm you through winter or burn your house down. The nazis, in my opinion, could only have ever been men. What they did was toxic masculinity. But Churchill could have only been a man too. A woman would never have been able to fill his shoes. That's positive masculinity.
/r/TheRedPill24/10/17 11:56 PM
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Christianity isn't the reason for the west's demise. You've got it backwards. The more christianity declines, the shitter the west gets. We are now living in a post-christian world and society is worse than ever. You've been brainwashed into hating the very thing that created your culture. You are, and western nations as a whole, cutting off the branch you are sitting on. It's going to be a long and painful fall.
/r/TheRedPill22/10/17 11:43 PM
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You're wrong. Marriage isn't a lose lose situation. My parents have been married for thirty years. Uncles, Aunts, Grandparents, dozens of friends - still happily married and never been divorced. Don't believe the poison people spit about marriage. And remember that the family unit is the heart of every strong civilization. Why do you think Islam is thriving? Strong families. As for why I care? It's called Judeo-Christian values
/r/TheRedPill22/10/17 12:49 PM
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My motivation isn't because Jesus doesn't approve, it's because it's what's best for society.
/r/TheRedPill21/10/17 12:41 PM
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My opinion is that exploiting it to the point of engaging in hook up/party culture is immoral
/r/TheRedPill15/10/17 08:40 AM
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I think you misread my post. I'm not interested in enforcing anything on others
/r/TheRedPill14/10/17 03:16 AM
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Culture and values shit over genetics. Your lovely white genes won't save you when muslims become a majority in the west, but western values just might. Try thinking with something other than your dick.
/r/TheRedPill13/10/17 03:54 AM
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I meant Christian vs secular. And once again you force me to repeat the point of my original post: it's not about whether something feels good or not, it's about whether my actions are good or bad for society. Reject hedonism, my friend.
/r/TheRedPill13/10/17 03:47 AM
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Christian marriages last longer. It's a fact. Sorry.
/r/TheRedPill13/10/17 02:50 AM
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Because culture is more important than genes. The point of family is to pass on your values. What makes the west valuable is its values. You don't pass on anything by having sex with random women, but you do by starting a family. This is especially important in the 21st century with the west's influx of immigration.
/r/TheRedPill13/10/17 02:47 AM
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Why would I avoid doing what I think is best because I don't have a guarantee that I will succeed? Marriages in conservative christian communities tend to do pretty well. At least better than the manosphere wants to make out. A big factor is sex before marriage. The more sexual partners a husband and wife have before they marry, the more likely they will divorce. And vice versa. Probably why secular marriages tend to crash and burn.
/r/TheRedPill13/10/17 12:20 AM
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I agree with everything you said except the part about starting a family. Look at it from an evolutionary point of view. You want the best men to pass on their genes, right? And what's the best way to pass on your genes? By raising a family with your values. If all red pill men therefore reject the idea of a family, our future is bleak. Make no mistake, muslim immigrants know the value of a traditional family. They see how western men "live for themselves" and they laugh their arse off.
/r/TheRedPill13/10/17 12:11 AM
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Jesus also said "A man shall leave his Father and Mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh. Therefore what God had joined together, let no man separate."
/r/TheRedPill12/10/17 11:15 PM
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The man who lives for himself thrives and therefore society thrives. Too vague to argue with. What do you mean by "lives for himself"? Hook-up culture? Also, when I discussed doing what was best for society, I didn't mean marrying single mothers. Stop misrepresenting my point.
/r/TheRedPill12/10/17 11:12 PM
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Because enjoying ourselves doesn't necessarily lead to a prosperous society. In the case of the 21st Century, enjoying ourselves is leading the west downward.
/r/TheRedPill12/10/17 04:36 AM
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It looks like Hook-up/party culture where people go along with the popular degeneracy of the times for their own gain rather than live the way a healthy and prosperous society requires them to live. This began when the abortion pill seperated sex from reproduction and transformed sex into a hobby rather than a sacred and pivotal (and dangerous) moment in a man's life.
/r/TheRedPill12/10/17 04:02 AM
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You're weak if sex takes priority over morality.
/r/TheRedPill12/10/17 03:09 AM
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The time is ours anew we must make our own stand How are you standing against hookup culture by engaging in hookup culture?
/r/TheRedPill12/10/17 12:12 AM
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How do you explain a woman who's remained married all her life in the 21st Century? It happens. A lot.
/r/TheRedPill12/10/17 12:09 AM
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That's called hedonism. A weak and harmful way to live your life.
/r/TheRedPill12/10/17 12:07 AM
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I think it's possible to work out which behaviours are harmful or beneficial to society. To go with the flow just because you tell yourself it's impossible to know what's moral is bullshit. For example, I know what goes in the Pakistan and Saudi therefore I'm not going to become a muslim because I don't want that kind of society.
/r/TheRedPill12/10/17 12:06 AM
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Good point. Groupthink, I guess. I've noticed that there's an unofficial 'way of speaking' in this sub. Most posts are written in the same 'I'm-a-badass-who-doesn't-give-a-fuck' style. My excuse is that it was my cheeky way of saying "give me feedback".
/r/TheRedPill11/10/17 04:49 AM
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Some do. Some don't. TV and internet have an effect. But you'd be surprised at how enclosed some communities can be.
/r/TheRedPill11/10/17 04:46 AM
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What makes you think a world where everybody got married wouldn't be better than the current anonymous, meaningless sex culture?
/r/TheRedPill11/10/17 04:43 AM
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That's an assumption. I've seen plenty of marriages last till death and I've met plenty of submissive women willing to be married.
/r/TheRedPill11/10/17 04:40 AM
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You think the actions of one sheep have any bearing on Society? Yes. But changing society is not my point. My point is do I as an individual have a responsibility to the community/country I live in? Can I live the way I want, serving myself first, or should I live with the greater good in mind? Your view of life is essentially 'survival of the fittest'. Adapt or die. Nothing matters so I may as well enjoy myself and take as much as I can get from the world. This lifestyle operates in nature as n…
/r/TheRedPill11/10/17 04:39 AM
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For the most part, you're right. But in certain conservative communities - which do still exist in the west - women are heavily pressured into marriage and are heavily discouraged from divorce or affairs.
/r/TheRedPill11/10/17 04:29 AM
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Which brings me to my refutation of Kants Categorical Imperative. It's a moot point because people will never behave the same on account of biological difference. You don't need to get every single person to behave the same. You just need to get to a tipping point where change can be implemented. Besides, my interest in the categorical imperative is deeper. I'm more interested in the moral side of it. I believe that I should do the right thing even if I am punished for it and avoid the wrong thi…
/r/TheRedPill11/10/17 04:25 AM
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I don't think it's true that alpha males never waited until marriage. If your definition of alpha is a man who has sex all the time, then you're right. But if your view of an alpha extends beyond sex to qualities like strength, leadership, decisiveness, then you're dead wrong.
/r/TheRedPill11/10/17 04:18 AM
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I don't think it's inconceivable to imagine the west becoming patriarchal again over the next 200 years. Improbable perhaps, but not impossible. Consider how much Islam is going to grow over the next few generations. Surely this will get a rise out of Western men? In a way, I see Christianity and the Red Pill as going hand in hand. The more Red Pill a society is, the more likely it will fall back into the religion that, more or less, created it. As for me personally, I am willing to endure trial…
/r/TheRedPill11/10/17 04:13 AM
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Would you concede that a religion like Christianity has had a positive effect on the world? Or that Christian ethics - i.e. care for the weak - are valuable?
/r/TheRedPill11/10/17 03:58 AM
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Christianity and marriage aside, do you think it would be possible for society to be 'rebuilt' by the spread of red pill thinking? I'm not so sure if it would be enough.
/r/TheRedPill11/10/17 03:56 AM
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True. But it's possible to find a woman who values marriage as much as me. Which is what I intend to do.
/r/TheRedPill11/10/17 03:53 AM
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I don't understand what you mean. What from my post made you think I'm not living a Christian life?
/r/TheRedPill11/10/17 03:46 AM
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I remember doing a literature elective at uni and I kid you not every class was about the oppression of women and feminism.
/r/TheRedPill07/10/17 09:32 PM
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Why do they never make a fuss over the lack of male teachers in schools? In Australia it never gets mentioned even though it's a big problem.
/r/TheRedPill07/10/17 06:27 AM
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Unless you've got an incurable facial deformity, you shouldn't get plastic surgery. To the men considering it I would ask, where are your priorities? Plastic surgery will fuck with your mind. By getting it done you're telling your subconscious that looks are really important. Your brain is going to obsess in front of mirrors for the rest of your life. It's like when you see an old man who dyes his hair. I just want to shake him and tell him it's okay. It's okay to have white hair, it's okay to g…
/r/TheRedPill06/08/17 01:31 AM
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I'm applying for the army. Women are streamlined through the recruitment process and have their own gender and diversity coordinators to make sure they get in.
/r/MGTOW11/07/17 10:10 AM
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Would I spill blood for a cause? If it was fighting for good and against evil, yes. Do you think there was a reason why feminism began? Did something trigger it such as the softening of men or was it random? If we can identify the cause, perhaps there is a chance we could reverse it.
/r/MGTOW10/07/17 07:00 AM
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I will do my best to change it. Who knows what will happen. Thanks for your reply.
/r/MGTOW10/07/17 06:53 AM
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I understand if you want society as it is today to collapse. But what about pre-WWI society? Would you think it at all worth your time and effort to rebuild the West?
/r/MGTOW10/07/17 06:51 AM
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Do you want all men to 'go their own way' or only a select few, as with monks?
/r/MGTOW10/07/17 06:49 AM
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You clearly have an appreciation for Fathers. If you don't think Fathers can play their role in the family unit any longer, do you think they can by any other means? Or do you see 'going their own way' as the only option?
/r/MGTOW10/07/17 06:48 AM
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My experience is different. Plenty of women are dedicated Mothers and homemakers.
/r/MGTOW10/07/17 02:15 AM
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But don't you think there are parts of civilization worth saving? Wouldn't it pain you to see the West replaced by, say, an Islamic State? Which is what will probably happen if things continue like this.
/r/MGTOW10/07/17 02:14 AM
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Will have to look into your ideas about the Ponzi scheme before I can respond. Where did you get your ideas from? Is there a specific book I can read?
/r/MGTOW10/07/17 02:12 AM
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You're probably right that it's irreversible. But I'm still going to live my life as if there is a solution to our problems waiting to be uncovered e.g. an alternative to waiting for society to collapse.
/r/MGTOW10/07/17 02:07 AM
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I don't have a response to this other than to say it's a great post. Thanks.
/r/MGTOW10/07/17 02:02 AM
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History has shown us that there are things worth dying for. Imagine where we'd be if the men of the past weren't willing to put their lives on the line? I'm prepared to fight the depravity of our times. That's what Christianity is all about, taking up your cross. He who tries to save his life will lose it. MGTOW seems to be heavily about self-preservation.
/r/MGTOW10/07/17 01:59 AM
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Okay, but I still only see MGTOW working if all women were brainwashed feminists, which I don't think is true. What would you think of a man marrying a 'red-pilled' or 'anti-feminist' woman?
/r/MGTOW10/07/17 01:55 AM
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So you believe that marriage in any form is bad? That it is impossible for men to be fully themselves while married? In that case, would you think it a worthwhile sacrifice for men to make for the sake of raising virtuous, strong-headed children? Although you'd probably say that marriage doesn't breed virtuous, strong-headed children.
/r/MGTOW10/07/17 01:50 AM
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Yes, men matter. But if the thing that saves men ultimately dooms society, you haven't won, you've lost. The only way MGTOW makes sense to me is a way in which men can wait safely for society to fall. And after it is fallen, then we can rebuild. But I don't think we should wait for the West to die before we try to save it. I think we should try to stop its collapse.
/r/MGTOW10/07/17 01:45 AM
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I'm an optimist. I'm going to defend Western values and fight to reinstate the principles that made the West great. Even if failure is guaranteed, I'm still going to fight. You don't have to join me but I'd rather you did.
/r/MGTOW10/07/17 01:41 AM
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We both know that women won't choose to retract feminism and reinstate patriarchy. Men and only men have the power to do that. If you'd rather worry about yourself rather than the culture that our Forefathers worked and died to create and defend, if you'd rather worry about your own comfort rather than try to create a livable system for the billions who will be born over the next thousand years, then you're immoral. There are things - freedom, justice, etc - that you should prioritise over yours…
/r/MGTOW10/07/17 01:38 AM
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Your points about alternatives to the family unit are hard to rebut. I.e. that nannies, tutors, or whatever, can effectively replace a Mother and Father. I still disagree with you but I'm going to look further into it. Cheers.
/r/MGTOW10/07/17 01:31 AM
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I like the comparison of MGTOW with monks. Very true. But I'm not sure monasteries were established because of Rome. And if MGTOWers are modern monks who have rejected society, my point still stands: MGTOW, at best, can only be for a small number of men. Thank God not all men became monks during the middle ages. We wouldn't be here if they had.
/r/MGTOW10/07/17 01:24 AM
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How sure are you that Western Civilisation is too far gone to be saved? I think you're assuming too much. Western values, i.e. a society founded on the family unit, gender roles, human rights - all that good stuff - are intangible and can never be destroyed. MGTOW can only ever be a temporary solution. The goal of men should, in the long-term, be to reinstate the values that made the West the best. Do you believe it's possible to reinstate Western values? The vibe I get is that you don't.
/r/MGTOW10/07/17 01:19 AM
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But can't you see that living apart from women isn't sustainable for society? Sure, it might solve your specific problems. It might be beneficial to you personally. It might allow you to live your life the way you want to. But in the long-run society is doomed. It reminds me of Kant's Categorical Imperative. E.g. if everybody on Earth adopted my values and lived the way I live, how would society fare? Would society thrive or would it die? If all men went their own way, society would collapse. Th…
/r/MGTOW10/07/17 01:08 AM
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No, I'm not suggesting violence. If feminism gained power without violence then it can be destroyed without violence.
/r/MGTOW09/07/17 10:35 AM
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You don't think it can be turned around?
/r/MGTOW09/07/17 10:32 AM
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Would you accept that there are still multitudes of men who marry and start families and (more or less) live happily ever after? And what exactly do you mean by pop the red pill? I've read most of the red pill stuff and I still think men should try to get married. Sure, be aware of the dangers. Don't be stupid. But understand that the best way to raise children is in a family unit with a Mum and a Dad.
/r/MGTOW09/07/17 10:31 AM
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I actually think most men would vote against it.
/r/MGTOW09/07/17 10:23 AM
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If you could save the West, would you?
/r/MGTOW09/07/17 07:15 AM
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I'm not saying MGTOW is the cause of the collapse of civilisation. I'm saying that it doesn't do anything to stop its collapse. And I think that's bad. Men built civilisation and we can save it. Western Civilisation deserves to be saved. We owe it to our ancestors and descendants to at least try. By criticising MGTOW I am not supporting what it claims to fight. I sympathise with MGTOW. In some situations, for some guys, it's the right lifestyle. I agree that it's better than collusion with a cor…
/r/MGTOW09/07/17 07:02 AM
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Women are harder to talk to. Besides, I just wanted to get a second opinion.
/r/MGTOW09/07/17 06:46 AM
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Liberty is important but don't you think boundaries are too?
/r/MGTOW09/07/17 06:44 AM
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What lies do you mean? Religion? Look at what the West has accomplished in terms of medicine, technology, art, philosophy, politics, etc. If the West was built on lies, then at least they were fruitful lies.
/r/MGTOW09/07/17 06:43 AM
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That's not true. I've met plenty of great women. Chaste, virtuous, you name it. I've seen them with my own eyes get married and happily start families. Don't give up.
/r/MGTOW09/07/17 06:38 AM
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But to some degree we are attracted to gender roles i.e. men aren't protectors only because they're physically stronger, men actually enjoy protecting. Don't discount the West yet. Sure, it's probably going to collapse within the next century or two, but let's not count our chickens before they've hatched. These two things I know for sure: The West is worth fighting for. Men are stronger and have more power than they believe. The vibe I get from MGTOW is that you've given up. The surest sign of …
/r/MGTOW09/07/17 06:36 AM
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I acknowledge that for many men MGTOW is the right option. But growing up I have seen countless guys get married and start a family and they are doing very well. Almost everybody in my extended family is happily married with children. I believe I have a good chance of doing the same. (Maybe I was just born in a good area, who knows) Most of the comments on here reek of pessimism and hopelessness. Like men believe they are powerless little babies with no strength to do or influence anything. I do…
/r/MGTOW09/07/17 06:29 AM
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So your argument is that MGTOW will remove feminism from the West and once feminism dies men will return and everything will go back to normal?
/r/MGTOW09/07/17 06:12 AM
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I read a very pessimistic tone in a lot of these comments, like the future is completely hopeless. I know women have the vote but at the end of the day, men are the more powerful gender. I believe we can save society.
/r/MGTOW09/07/17 06:08 AM
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True. That's another problem. MGTOWers won't be reproducing themselves so long as they steer clear of women. Their genes will die with them and the next generation will be a little bit more effeminate than the last.
/r/MGTOW09/07/17 05:04 AM
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Maybe we can agree to disagree then. I think the West can still be saved. But men en masse would have to reassert themselves and gender roles would have to return. MGTOW seems to reject most male gender roles, particularly that of provider and protector. That's why I think it's harmful.
/r/MGTOW09/07/17 04:59 AM
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How you're claiming MGTOW will rebuild society is still very vague. I'm imagining a post-apocalyptic world where men and women are forced back to square one. Where women are forced to be Mothers and men are forced to be Fathers. In other words, you are looking forward to the collapse of civilisation and MGTOW is what is going to get us there. Is that your argument?
/r/MGTOW09/07/17 04:53 AM
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Me too.
/r/MGTOW09/07/17 04:44 AM
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I'm not hiding. I'm new to Reddit. I made my account so I can talk with people. When I say that MGTOW is the equal and opposite of Feminism I mean in its rejecting the foundation of society, or that both will lead to the ruin of society. I'm not saying both are equally guilty for destroying the family. If MGTOW succeeds and men completely separate themselves from 50% of the population, where will it lead? The death of Western Civilisation. Can't you see my concern?
/r/MGTOW09/07/17 04:40 AM
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No, because not every man is going to become homosexual. But potentially every man could 'go his own way'.
/r/MGTOW09/07/17 04:30 AM
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I still believe traditional gender roles can be resurrected. I think the mission of men should be to re-assert themselves rather than run away.
/r/MGTOW09/07/17 04:26 AM
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But without its men society is dead. Shouldn't we at least try to right society rather than giving up on it?
/r/MGTOW09/07/17 04:24 AM
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There is a kernel of truth to MGTOW but I can't help but feel like it will only makes things worse for society in the long run. For example, you talk about future generations of young men. But with MGTOW, the majority of boys will grow up in Fatherless homes. The statistics on children who grew up without Dads are not kind. If I embrace MGTOW I feel like I am abandoning my future children.
/r/MGTOW09/07/17 04:18 AM
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Okay, perhaps some men are entitled to go their own way. But if all men go their own way, society will collapse. That's my problem. I don't want society to collapse. I want to save it. The bad news is that the family unit is the only tried and tested way of supporting modern society. Do you think there are alternatives for men besides MGTOW or is MGTOW the only option?
/r/MGTOW09/07/17 04:12 AM
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"MGTOW will lead to the rebuilding of society on a sustainable basis" I don't think it will. How can society be rebuilt when both halves of the population refuse to co-exist? What social system do you have to raise healthy children besides the family unit?
/r/MGTOW09/07/17 04:06 AM
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So what's your point? I have a problem with MGTOW but I want to discuss it with you guys. There's nothing wrong with debate.
/r/MGTOW09/07/17 04:00 AM
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But not all woman are doing this. Even if 99% of women rejected and hated men, that still leaves thousands of viable partners.
/r/MGTOW09/07/17 03:57 AM
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I see your point. If you've tried to start a family and it doesn't work, or you can't find a woman who will 100% commit to you, then I can understand if you choose to 'go your own way'. But not all women are like this. I believe for a young man like myself, who's single and just starting out in life, it is my duty to at least try to find a woman I can start a family with. Maybe, like you, I'll never find her. In that case, I agree MGTOW is good. After all, men can contribute to society in many w…
/r/MGTOW09/07/17 03:55 AM
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I can sympathize with you. My problem is that if every man currently alive made the same decision as you, our society would collapse. MGTOW seems like a short-term solution but a long-term death sentence.
/r/MGTOW09/07/17 03:49 AM
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Do you think there are any ways that Western Civ can be saved?
/r/MGTOW09/07/17 03:45 AM
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