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True but I also think a good personality and confidence can shine through the face. Men who are less afraid of being feminine are also more likely to groom and dress well, which boosts attractiveness outside of genetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 05:59 PM
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Unmasculine men get more women than masculine men with huge insecurity issues. Twinks and pretty boys clean up.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/26 04:58 PM
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Depends on many things like what the person the person is looking for, enviroment, priorities, how attractive they are etc but generally speaking, no. Women still need to know the attractive person likes them for them else they'd just be able to walk up to random women in the street and immediately ask for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 07:20 PM
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Women want to be appreciated as people first and many men do not demonstrate that they do before making a move.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 02:53 AM
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Most red pill-adjacent people don't actually understand feminism. They just categorize anything women do that they don't like as feminism. They see it as a loss of control and having that black and white view on it makes it easier to attack what they see as a threat.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 11:31 PM
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Choice feminism is a liberal branch of feminism which is pretty consistently critiqued by the more academic branches.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 10:00 PM
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He also said kinder and less entitled.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:55 PM
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This isn't exactly what he was saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:48 PM
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I disagree with that assertion. I think you misunderstand the term objective and descriptive and are markedly unaware of your own biases.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:01 PM
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The argument is that what you put forth is a subjective and limited view about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 06:15 AM
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I find this a very dehumanising and male centric view on women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 06:08 AM
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2 or 3 But you do know there's a middle ground between grunting like a woodcutter and squealing like a banshee, you know? It's called moaning. It's hot to know your partner is enjoying themselves and a good way to communicate what is working.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 02:08 AM
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Because women have been highly influenced by a millenia of sexual suppression and a society that hasn't bothered to consider them as active sexual agents. There's confusion along what people say society has decided they are supposed to find attractive, what activates as attraction physiologically and the "truth" which would be a balance between the conscious and unconcious desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:12 PM
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I'm not sure if that is just it. Younger women have much higher divorce rates and are statistically less likely to remain in their earliest relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 01:49 PM
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But younger women also either don't want to commit or aren't dating people they see with long term qualities for a partner. It depends what you are looking for. Everything is a trade off in some way.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:50 PM
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My first boyfriend was a squeaky halfwit (bless his soul). My second was a short abusive man with lots of debt who got fat a few months into dating. My husband is a 6 foot Scandinavian Chad with a heart of gold. Am I an alpha widow?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:07 PM
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No because men's low standards are due to men's low market value. Men have culturally spent too long being the buyer in romantic and sexual relationships that they don't know how to be the product. Women now have purchasing power. If all you have is a buyer and then someone with a established product AND the means to purchase - the latter is always going to be at an advantage and not going to cash out.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:41 PM
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I don't understand? Incels are usually misogynists but they hide behind their screens doing it trying to spread ideas about turning back women's rights and some of them burst into rampages but thats completely different to say, gangsters and rappers, for example. Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:46 PM
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More like violent misogynists are more likely to go out their and talk to women and be pushy so by balance of probability they're going to get more opportunities.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 09:49 PM
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This reads like a really disconnected and paranoid fiction. I think some men really let their insecurities for not fulfilling the patriarchal masculine ideal effect their perspective on reality. The most I see women "make fun" of sexually unsuccessful men is when they call someone spewing angry rhetoric about women an incel. But they're attacking the misogyny and the man's insecurity, not his inability to get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:05 PM
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Okay so you can judge them if you want but what standards you are using? That is what i want to know.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 06:21 AM
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isn’t or shouldn’t be as slow moving and lenient as Salt_Mathematician24 is professing it ought to be. Historically young people have risen to the level of adversity that their culture and time period allowed for them. But who describes the terms of what that maturation is in this regard? Thats what he is avoiding explaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:52 PM
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Okay but how does that address my point about... different priorities with age, for example? Maybe when you're younger you both dont want the same things you want at 30 and therefore would rather use that time to make mistakes and learn from them so you don't repeat them once you're tied down with certain commitments (i.e choosing the wrong person for you, missing abusive signs and red flags you've picked up on from past experiences etc). It's the exact same thing as someone who is young changin…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 07:29 PM
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You're obsfiscating and being really vague, maybe because you realize this doesn't actual work in practice or you are scared of putting your foot in, Idk. The world cannot function of ideas like "same standards in personal life as at school and work even though they're two completely different things and I won't explain what those standards should be".
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 02:36 PM
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So what would that look like to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 02:28 PM
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Huh? If they do their job well they should be also be judged by their personal life? Based on what standard, may I ask?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 02:26 PM
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I think it's a more of a mix of trial and error for what works for someone personally, discovering who they actually are and what they want out of lives and general changing priorities on life in young adulthood vs at a later age.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 02:22 PM
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Absorbing ideas and memorising facts isnt the same as the lessons that come from actively living your life and growing from a young person into an adult.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 02:12 PM
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Degrees are a learning process so why not start them young? Most education is done when someone is young (children). Only because you're still maturing doesn't mean you can't make decisions. It's just a lot of those decisions you will later learn from. You have to start adulthood at some point. But part of becoming an adult involves learning an entirely new skill set.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:00 AM
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That's no reason to hate on others.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:58 AM
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Men do not like actual female sexuality either outside a constructed ideal. Male and female sexuality is completely counter to one another (in the fact that the focal point is the opposite). You hear more criticism against male sexuality because patriarchy has led it to be more oversaturated and therefore obnoxious at best and downright threatening at worst by the allowances that comes with it being the cultural default.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 10:13 PM
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Do you ever think it might just be because porn produced by and for men is more oversaturated and has led to more lawsuits of human trafficking, revenge porn, CP and the like?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:05 AM
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Source for the "men they end up with are less attractive than men they had casual sex with" That sounds very subjective and not my observation at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 10:56 PM
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For anyone that hasn't heard of that silly Internet argument, that is not an answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 03:16 PM
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The post was who's responsible for "making them feel safe around them". Not safety in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 06:33 AM
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Women play into patriarchy by sexually objectifying themselves. It's convenient for current, established capitalism (which is patriachal in its roots) but negative for women's rights as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:48 PM
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You didn't answer my question.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:24 PM
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Who's responsibility should it be?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 06:59 PM
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You're making concessions for one now and not the other. They both have risks. The love one has more obvious practical risks in our current society.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 03:36 PM
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You can lose the love of your life. Your love of your life could also lose his career.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 12:11 PM
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I am confused now. Weighing up the probability of risks, relying on someone for income is the riskier option.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 11:51 AM
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Yeah but the risk of anarchy are smaller in probability than the risks associated with being financially dependent on another person. And you are still at risk with anarchy in both.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 08:32 AM
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Anarchy is one very extreme example but women being involved in society, politics and the economy can better influence or predict societal outcomes. Also weaponry is more beneficial than muscle in the modern era for protection.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 08:13 AM
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Yes but it that world I would have the tools, experience and influence to work within the system. Not be kept separate from it like private property. Also "growing apart from wanting a career?" A career isn't some game that you play, it's how you directly interact with the world and make money, results and connections. Say I am developing a cure for cancer. I'm not only "having a career", I'm directly changing the world, gaining knowledge and expertise, building relationships and earning money I…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 05:16 AM
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What if he dies? What if he leaves? What if he changes for whatever reason? Or we grow apart? Life isn't static. Also I didn't mention this in my previous comment but I'd also like the ability to contribute to the world, whether that be politically or creatively or intellectually, even if I was with the love of my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 05:00 AM
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Love of my life. But I'm massively introverted and an old romantic. I'm still a feminist because I believe in women's choices. Not all women feel the same as me and also I would like to have options to leave bad situations if necessary and to have my own money (money = power/choice).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 04:24 AM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogynist_terrorism
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 10:37 PM
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What point are you referring to here in particular?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 01:17 PM
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I am sorry but if you deny that over the last century the male gaze hasn't been more prominent that the female gaze the I think you're just being willfully ignorant to blatant facts. There's been studies done on representative and fields of academia discussing these things for decades. Men still to this day make up the vast majority of directors, producers camera men, and CEOs even if the gap has narrowed for the prior 98% dominion in these areas. These things obvious lead to a natural disparity…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 12:59 PM
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I used the word "porn" functionally to describe content that appeals to their sexes fundamental base sexual desires. The only area where there is indeed a gap between genders, is video pornography and that is explained entirely by women’s spending habits not anything else. Disagree again. It's not even just porn tbf. The male gaze is represented everywhere from film to music to advertisements. I think male sexually interests are more capitalised on and more mainstream. I think most people would …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 12:21 PM
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Not true. Again you're looking at the male porn industry and saying because women aren't paying for that then theyre not willing. I'm saying women's sexual interests are different. You're saying because they're not exactly like men's then theyre non existence. Women need to carve out an entire space of their own which they have already sort of done in the erotic fiction spear. But it's an industry with far less mainstream acknowledgement and investment behind it but as women gain more economic l…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:51 AM
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They were also right about many things though, too. And we are also wrong about many things right now. You're talking about hard observable science. Social and cultural attitudes and phenomena are entirely different and malleable. It's based around values. While testerone can influence some biological factors, there is no gene we can point to that proves men are more attracted to women than vice versa. Like discussed, in ancient Greece, and to a certain extent, Ancient Rome, men were considered …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 10:34 PM
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Women do thats why things like fifty shades of grey are popular. It is known to be a very loyal audience very willing to spend money. These things are still developing. Women have only had similar representation levels in business, directors and producers in probably only the last decade. They weren't making big decisions like this. Young women doing only fans for cash from a male audience is not the same as women having the power to make decisions directing men. But as women's share of capital …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 01:27 PM
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Snapshot video format porn is still highly visual and not much else so it's still something that works for men more. Culture. Women telling men they want them to put them on camera is less likely than the other way around. Men might find it emasculating, women worry about being exploitative. I really just think porn for women would be more serial based or focus more on the people, couple goals and romance. The industry is so steeped in male gaze that's it is hard to envisioning anything else. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 04:46 AM
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Well, yeah. Since you derailed the conversation to go on a insane and biased rant of how women are to blame for all dating problems and male loneliness while denying accountability then you're pretty much asking for a retort. Make unfair accusations and expect comeback. What do you even expect lol. As if you wouldn't do exactly the same if someone came on here and argued the same crap in reverse whilst conveniently ignoring all evidence to the contrary.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 11:42 PM
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Whether you said society or not you pulled it out of nowhere and I disagree with the premise. And yeah men don't have any hedonistic tendencies. Not like gay men are known for being the most promiscuous demographic. The only difference is that not all men can act upon them so it is pure jealously of others doing what they'd snatch up in a heartbeat. Honestly, give me a break, dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 11:24 PM
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I never said anything about good men only have sex or that sex is a reward. I reject all that and you have created a strawman from your own preconceived beliefs which you are now projecting onto me, unfairly. Hell - they are it's biggest enforcers. Yes, of course you'd think that. Accountability be damned. It's easier than any self reflection or looking at how maybe generations of men only ever getting women by oppressing them has left you all wholly unprepared for attracting women naturally and…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 11:01 PM
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Yeah because men never chose based on superficial characteristics. And women never do on character 🙄 Give me a break trying to twist this into a "woman bad" narrative. I was totally right about you and the manosphere's complete bad faith, self-confirming narrative on this topic. The male loneliness is way more likely due to men's willful ignorance on women like you just demonstrated than women having sexual desires and expressing them like men always have.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 10:49 PM
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Some are but even the ones that are go much deeper than that and end with the woman calling the shots by the end of it. Just like the romances men like where they find a badass woman and then domesticate her. Very common in male produced romance. The recurring themes and differences in women's erotica vs porn are the people focused dynamics and stories over pure primal visuals. Sometimes high stakes and exaggerated characteristics have more of an impact in getting it there. Also, I find it funny…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 10:41 PM
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You might only be seeing what you want to see.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 10:25 PM
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Yeah, I know plenty of women who read erotica and never heard this mentioned by anyone but the manosphere. I am sure it has an audience but it is clearly just a bad faith attempt to demonize, caricaturize and mock women's desires rather than try and understand. As if that will help them in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 10:08 PM
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Ofcourse it also seems every strong female character in a movie or show is also gay or atleast bi. Most female popstars who make songs for women identify as bi... That's just cynical corporations trying to get double social brownie points by having a woman AND a queen person. It pisses me off too As for the popstars who's focus is around their sexuality learned through their socialization that the idea of a bisexual woman was considered sexy, edgy AND progressive. Another attempt to hit multiple…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:03 PM
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But they do. Fifty shades of Grey was a best seller. Fangirls are known to be very loyal and high spending market. The issue is the people in charge of business (men) didn't know how to market to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 03:24 PM
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No. The idea that "women are lesbians" is usually men who are either projecting or they got their information by that bs pornhub marketing "analytics". Or they just think because of women's perceived lack of attraction to them or men they find attractive must automatically equate them as lesbians. The repression of female sexuality and patriarchy has led to men feeling undesired.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 03:23 PM
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Not really but I threw in the towel and stopped consuming anything but gay male erotica years ago so I don't want to focus anymore on the woman at all personally. I guess maybe more cunninglus, more attractive men, more romance, more story. Just spitfiring now.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 01:50 PM
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Not really. Although it is coming more popular its a very recent phenomena that women's sexual fantasies are being adapted. Until like 2015, like upwards of 90% of directors and producers were men and these things weren't really attempted and if they were they were done from the perspective of men so it was very hit and miss. I am very interested to see how things will develop now we are seeing more and more women-aimed content.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 01:45 PM
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Focus on the woman's pleasure and fantasies is probably what they mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 01:42 PM
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Exactly. Thats why it is difficult because it's something not attempted before and is outside our realm of consideration but I think women are more okay with watching simulated sex scenes because the pay off comes from the narrative and emotional release more than getting a close up visual of a dick in a vagina.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 01:41 PM
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You think these TV shows are the same as regular porn. Regular porn is just 95-100% sex whereas these are 80% story, 20% sex. There's a huge narrative build up spanning episodes lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 01:37 PM
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Heated rivalry is an audio visual work. If you're referring to stuff made on pornsites established by men for men then you're going to end up confused about what women like because even the "popular with women" section of sites like pornhub are made for men to get off to the idea of getting off to something women like. Not for women. Their yearly statistics add and omit categories and present themselves in certain ways to appeal to the male audience too. And if you think otherwise then you've al…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 01:35 PM
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That's why women love MM books and Heated Rivarly I guess?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 01:30 PM
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Of what in particular? I think something like Heated Rivalry, Fifty Shades of Grey, Bridgerton or 365 days is and example of adapted "women's porn". Although they're softer core version than you can get away with in lit because they're film and television. The cut videos lack too much holistic focus on the people and narrative to it to have a good pay off to most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 01:28 PM
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Describing it in one way would be like describing all of men's porn in one way. Both men and women can have a range of fetishes but they just come from a different perspective that arises naturally from who is behind the fantasy... which can he hard to put into words. The closest way I could describe it is men's porn is typically visual and primal (primarily) and women's is contextual, holistic and more narrative based (primarily). Not to say women aren't visual (women's porn can and has been su…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 01:23 PM
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Or the opposite. You wouldn't have noticed it because it's just the default to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 12:36 PM
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It happens gradually by representation and empowering women so much that this becomes part of the cultural consciousness. Asking individual women on reddit just leads to arguments. Women come of age already knowing what men like simply through cultural osmosis because it is represented everywhere. It has only been the last 10 or 20 years that women's representation in business, politics and the arts has actually started to catch up to men. I believe it will become more naturalised but things lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 12:32 PM
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Yep. Men here angry about being lied to about the "nice guy getting the girl", that was fed to them through male produced fanservice movies. Or that women are all asexual just because they don't know what women like sexually and they aren't into the exact same things created by and produced for them. It, of course, isn't the result of their male ancestor's never bothering the learn what women like and forcing them into purity bubbles or male dominated societies not giving women a platform to exp…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 11:36 AM
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Yeah the manosphere is really obsessed with that one book but hell yeah many women can be kinky af.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 11:11 AM
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Calling it fictosexual is about as reasonable as calling men videosexual just because the porn they consume takes the form of visuals and videos (the scenarios in porn are made up too, you'd know). Sounds like a cop out for me. That is just the medium at which the desires are expressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 11:10 AM
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Women that watch pornsite pornography and think "oh I must be asexual because this is gross" should try reading. There is no massive porn industry around women's sexual interests since men really don't understand it and thus can't capitlize on it - so their interests is sort of a communal creative hub where they have to self author their fantasies for one another. That's where the imbalance lies. Either we abolish porn or we make the content distribution equal, which it isn't currently. Men are …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 10:37 AM
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Okay maybe I misread you when you said "prominent feminists" I thought you were referring to all feminists. So is it just prominent feminists? No? Policies support by feminists? Or do you mean positions because I think that is what is relevant here. The position is general equality of the sexes. And why would a women's rights group want things not to benefit women? The general consensus of feminist theory is that equality benefits everyone and inequality harms all but maybe a small minority of p…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 12:08 PM
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So your issue is only with so-called "prominent feminists" not feminists or the idea of feminism in general?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 11:50 AM
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Okay, I will. You said; I'm not sure what you mean by "valued for their humanity," but based on women's behavior, I'm pretty confident that they will choose whatever they perceive to be most beneficial. That's what feminists do. It's about grabbing as much money/power/status/etc. as they can. All of this is strawmanning, hasty generalizations, unsubstantiated bias and virtiol. Please provide your full name and link to some of your published statements to substantiate what you are saying. Please …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 11:15 AM
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This has been debated a lot by academics but I think most agree that freewill is mostly a myth. You have choice within a system but you're still a product of it. Actually being able to counter these norms requires a level of individualism and self awareness that they average person simply does not actively possess.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 11:10 AM
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If that's lazy then complete ignoring the blatant fact of patriarchy is just dishonest.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 09:37 AM
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What's your evidence for this claim? Your very words. I challenge you to identify three prominent feminists who regularly make statements in contradiction to my characterization. You're speaking to one.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 06:37 AM
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My point. Well, not reality, but culture/society. Definitely not the only way a society has to look or be structured which I know is hard for some people to grasp because they seem to think in concrete black/white terms rather than big picture ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 06:36 AM
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No, well educated and studied historians that do not just cherry pick stuff divorced from it's context to push a narrative and spread misinformation.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 06:33 AM
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Okay you're antagonistic and caricaturing the opposing side now. I think most people try to strike a balancing act of what is beneficial individually and in the short term and what actually would be the ideal in the long term and for the best society and those can sometimes be two opposing realities. It doesn't change the facts I have discussed here. Listen to the arguments instead of letting the straw woman radfem sneak into the picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:55 PM
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Casual sex is not a harem. The people are not in relationships. They're independent agents engaging in a hook up. I disagree with you second. While it probably does happen it is not the norm. Most women reject that idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:13 PM
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We are going on circles here now. To get what I am saying all you need to acknowledge is this: We have lived in a patriarchal society for the past millenia. A society run by one sex is going to lead to cultural bias about many things, in particular here, what sex and beauty is and who and what is beautiful or sexy. A society that wants to achieve equality acknowledges these realities and biases and is critical about how they manifest in counter to that goal. Once you acknowledge it you either do…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:10 PM
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Our society is less patriarchal then ever before in history, and you can just look around and see how women are behaving and who they are choosing with their new found sexual freedom "Just look around" isn't an argument. No woman I know would want to be in a harem. This is not a common thing at all. It was way more common in the past. It's something women are overwhelmingly vehemently against. This is where I see so many men accept patriarchy as akin to human nature that they falsely project the…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:06 PM
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Its the complete opposite. It leads to harems. What proof do you have of this? Any matriarchal societies you can point to where women have a preference toward being in a harem? Sounds far more patriarchal to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 06:59 PM
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That's some powerful misplaced certainty you have there. Men don't want to be the prize? Really?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 06:57 PM
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Because attitudes toward beauty, sex and romance aren't just based on individual actions but enforced through cultural values and distribution of power (look at religion and sexual norms in ancient Greece vs today). If women don't have the collective power to enforce their desires and standards, and are spoon fed female objectification since they're young, they're kept in a self perpetuating loop of hyper self focus and are punished for stepping outside of the accepted standard of societal norms…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 06:56 PM
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I'm confused. What do you take issue with in my post?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 06:52 PM
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I don't think sex positivity = unquestioned acceptance of all forms of sexualization completely uncritically and divorced from the actual structural reality in which we live.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 05:33 PM
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You've flipped back to this. I thought we were arguing how patriarchal objectification has caused these issues and ways it could be fixed.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 05:31 PM
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All I did is explain the phenomenon and state the fact that these were female leaders within a patriarchal system. They didn't exist in a vacuum. You can't divorce it from that context. These aren't even my arguments. They're arguments of actual historians if you dig into the literature surronding this.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 05:29 PM
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I have considered it from a sex positive perspective. I think both extremes are bad. I think ideally we would reach more of a balance. Not sex object or purity object. And not women sexualized over men 99% of the time. Objectification of women isn't about women's sexual impulses though. It's about how men see them and men's sexual desire being internalized. Even if it does have some short term individual benefits like monetary gain or validation. Objectification Theory is fundamentally gender es…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 04:16 PM
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Yeah and if we actually portrayed men as sexually desirable and appreciated their beauty too, men would be considered the prize more which means they'd be higher demand.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 03:48 PM
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I am not even vilfying it. I am acknowledging it of a reality and a sort of natural consequence of a society that was dictated by men for the longest time. And like anything lopsided gender norm, acknowledge it has impacts and knock on effect. You need to get this knee-jerk reaction to it out of your head for a minute. It’s a reality and has had an impact on us. Yes, I knew the post would be controversial (most female authored and blue pill threads are here anyway tbh lol) and maybe confusing to…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 03:43 PM
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Never said otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 03:31 PM
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That distinction is important, because the implication is that male audiences harm all women everywhere on an essential level simply by witnessing women being sexualized. Never said this Look, sexual objectification theory is well established in academic research. It isn't an attack on men to point out patriarchal society has created a huge imbalance in our ideas of sex and beauty and that oversexualization can lead to issues for women (self esteem issues, normalisation of harassment, SA and exp…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 03:31 PM
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It isn't slut shaming men. Slut shaming is shaming what a person does with their own body. Sexual objectification of women is something done to someone else's body. Having consensual sex and dressing how you wish is not in the same camp as the aggressive, systemic sexual objectification of women's bodies by a male dominated society. And my argument was how this effects men. We know how it effects women (SA, street harassment, self esteem issues, dehuminization). It effects men because it equates…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 02:35 PM
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And personally find it to be problematic to specifically insult people based on something they are insecure about. Well you take issue with a lot of human behaviour then. Of course if you're trying to insult someone, hitting a sore spot is usually the way to get the desired result. I'd put this in a similar to camp to saying a woman "hit the wall" in cruelty level when it comes to trying to use people's insecurities against then. It’s similar to using a slur against a minority due to being aware…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 02:31 PM
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I know you guys desperately want this to be true for the sake of validating your confirmation bias but I have to tell you straight, that you are mistaken. When men are called incels by women, the women are always referring to an embittered, hateful, entitled man. The virgin part isn't considered and only hurts because thats what the man is insecure about, not because the woman actually cares. I can assure you of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 02:21 PM
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Yeah that fact is deeply misunderstood. Female leaders in patriarchal societies' entire councils were still made up of men. Societies that had women leaders usually were more likely to face war BECAUSE it was a female leader within a patriarchal society - there was likely a dispute in the line of accession that would cause unrest or the male councils would take the opportunity of a female led system as a canvas to enact their own interests. As for Margaret Thatcher, she was a handline conservati…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 01:57 PM
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Yeah but none of this is active resentment. Its the socialization and culture which have made us who we are, believe what we believe and live the way we do. It's unconcious for most people and it isn't resentment to have these conversations.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 12:06 PM
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Of course people have agency but we are also products of the generations before us and cultural attitudes. I would also push back on the patriachy being a mythical force. It's a factual reality that men hold most leadership roles and capital and 80 years ago isn't that long in the grand scheme of history. What happened 80 years ago still has an impact on our current attitudes and beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 10:46 AM
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Yeah, there are some benefits of sexual objectification in terms of the monetary and validation. However it's hard to see where this began and where it will end. Because we are all products of established cultural norms. Would women rather keep these short term benefits or prefer a idealistic world where they are valued for their humanity first and foremost? I think most would chose the latter if they believe it was actually possible. Feminist criticism can be selective. But so can manospherian …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 09:21 AM
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You seem to view it as an unchangeable reality when it could look like this because only a small percentage of men have figured out how to be attractive despite the cultural programming I referred to in my post.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 09:08 AM
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Or maybe awkward men are just hard to communicate with and make things awkward?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 09:04 AM
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Maybe it's a marker of safety. If other women deem him safe then it is usually a green flag. The pre-selection thing is never in a way red pill men think it is. Dan Bilzerian and Andrew Tate posing with bikini clad women is repulsive to women. As is a man that tries to replicate that kind of lifestyle on a dating app. He will be swiped left on immediately and considered a player. But a man that has a lot of female friends or a healthy dating life shows that other women deem him safe and a viable…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 08:28 AM
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It is. Why do you think in rap videos they talk about having lots of bitches? So men are projecting their beliefs about this onto women then getting mad at them about it. Some things never change.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 08:05 AM
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Men are the ones that popularised the word incel and gave it negative connotations associated with extreme misogyny. When women call someone an incel they're almost never referring to their inability to get laid but their misogynistic attitudes. Unless Isaac Newton said extremely misogynistic things, he is likely safe from being called that by women lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 08:04 AM
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Not being around someone does not equate to treating them as lower status unless you think women's presence and attention is some magical decider of value.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 08:02 AM
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In what way? Can you give me an example?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:31 AM
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Oh well then I don't agree with that so I was basically encouraging you to explain how, if you would be willing.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:07 AM
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Do they actually treat men as lower status or do men just feel lower status when they're not "picked"?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 06:58 AM
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Men will say something is natural if it makes sense TO them. They've been telling women what they think and feel for centuries. They fail to see that they're just projecting. Massively. That is all.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 06:54 AM
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Nope. Not what I am saying at all. Where have you got this from?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 06:39 AM
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I'm talking about sexual objectification. But you are still wrong. Men are the ones that send other men to war.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 06:38 AM
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You have the definition wrong. You've basically rewrote it to one that magically makes men the victims, despite them literally controlling all hard power, government and capital in the 60s just because women got the vote a few decades before and women's rights groups existed to address the structural imbalance. I think that is absurd .
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 06:36 AM
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I think you have fundamentally misunderstood my argument and would implore you to read the rest of the thread and my responses to get a better grasp on what I am saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 12:09 AM
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How about your sexuality isn't bad but has been exercised systemically to cause both you and women terrible and dysfunctional issues and you should probably be congnizent of that?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 11:50 PM
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Never said that it was. It's one aspect of nature that do many men commit wholeheartedly to because it's from their baseline perspective of a male worldview.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 11:42 PM
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Again, you're thinking in patriarchal terms. Men are much more likely to fall for patriarchy as natural and project that onto others and you're doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 11:39 PM
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A patriarchal society is one in which men hold the majority of hard power. In pretty much every society, without exception, these are leadship roles and captial. In the 1960s, every political office was held by men and men held pretty much 99.9% of all captital ventures. Like, come on. If you want to reach the truth you need to make some concessions to that of blatant reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 11:29 PM
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It isn't placing the blame on individual men. But many men reaffirm it because they assume the system it creates is a natural result of humanity. Which many men have expressed so in this post. It is the men themselves in that regaerd that are confirming the opinions if the male elites. But having a more even balance of women in leadership roles could absolutely change the dynamics, in particular the cultural landscape and perspective we are fed, provided they can actually think for themselves an…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 11:23 PM
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I'm softer on them. I honestly feel many of the just believe the patriachy's bullshit because it's male-centric in focus, even when it is tearing them apart.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 10:58 PM
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So, anecdotal. Gotcha. Any issues with my patriarchy definition?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 10:55 PM
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Anything concrete? Sorry, I edited my comment. Patriarchy basically means men hold most of the hard power. For most societies, this is usually concentrated in politics and capital. Men still dominant both globally.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 10:50 PM
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Why do you believe that, may I ask? And patriarchy just means a society where men hold most of the hard power. Financially and politically usually. Those are the two main avenues of power in most societies.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 10:46 PM
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The fact that you are actually trying to tell me that women are just more attractive as a concrete reality is proof of my argument about how objectification of women effects men too. Look at your flair. You honestly have fallen for your own collective bullshit and are now collectively victimised by it. It's tragic. And not right.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 10:40 PM
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No, men don't do that. But a system consistently filtered through a male perspective is certainly going to lead to confirmation biases about reality. The rest of your comment is just proving my point about how patriarchy hurts men. You actually believe that. That is the problem. And because a patriarchal society filtered through a male perspective is telling you this, you are more likely to identity with it as truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 10:32 PM
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The "women don't want men" is precisely the effects of objectification of women that i am pointing to in regards to how it effects men. How can so many men prove my point on such a short amount of time. Its amazing lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 10:30 PM
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Oh my god...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 10:22 PM
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Nope. I think you are underthinking it, instead. As a man in a patriarchal society you view it as an expression of your biology, hence your reality, then clarify it as human nature - then fail to see when it is really hurting you. You accept the plate handed to you in that regard, even when it no longer benefits you and it is those unrepresented by the status quo that challenge it. Maybe consider that for a minute and you might realise why feminist and queer theory is a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 10:15 PM
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Young women sexualizing themselves on social media didn't just come from nowhere. Young women grow up absorbing prior generations attitudes about what they should aspire too. Even the sexual revolution of the 60s which red pillers like to point to didn't happen in some utopian egalitarian state, it happen under a patriachal capitalist system where men pretty much controlled all established industry and could easily co-opt women's new found "liberation" for monetary gain. Do you honestly just ign…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 09:25 PM
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I disagree. I think women can be just as aggressive, if not more. It just isn't our societal framework. Perhaps people wonder how to fix it? Maybe it will fix itself in time or maybe being cognizent enough to adapt our behavior will push things toward so faster.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 08:31 PM
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You are massively underestimating cultural norms to the point it hurts. A lot of men seem to think patriarchal conditioning is natural and concrete just because they're men attracted to women. They're oblivious to how aggressive women could be if they actually had the power to enforce it and weren't kept it a self perpetuating loop of self judgement and appealing to an established system. It's painful to see this kind of misplaced certainty.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 08:23 PM
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To be fair, that could be more accurate but the gap certainly wasn't as pronounced as it is today. Which shows that it isn't the only way we can view beauty, sex and romance.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 07:34 PM
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To be clear, I am not arguing for a matriachy, just this one "virus" within our system. So you accept the possibility of the premise but argue the cure is unreachable to us? Do you think we can at least make steps in the right direction with that knowledge? Or is just scrapping any attempts at doing so all together the better option?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 07:32 PM
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they only reason it emerged is that men are more attracted to women than the reverse. Here is where I disagree and would argue validates my point of how objectification of women effects men negatively. Because objectification of women is patriarchal in it's roots and most men are straight, men often view it as natural and unchangeable then fail to realize that it's hurting them. There have been societies that propped the male form up as more desirable like the ancient Greeks I mentioned - grante…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 07:00 PM
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Do you think women being pinned as the beautiful and sexually desirable ones as a cultural default helps matters? Do you think we would arrive exactly where we are in regards to attitudes towards this is we restarted society on a blank slate based around enforrced egalitarianism? Or had a society than celebrated men's beauty and virility like the ancient Greeks?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 06:46 PM
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Do you think women being sexualized to the mass scale they are today and have been since the advert of mass media is beneficial to men, given that men have lost the leverage they had under absolute patriarchy?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 06:43 PM
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Yes, it would. We no longer need to live in a society where women are dangled like meat for men, yet we do in many ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 06:14 PM
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I do not think it is the only answer but I think people underestimate the consequences. If men have lost their leverage through equality, propping women up as the prime steak is just going to further cause an imbalance at the ground level.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 06:13 PM
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Good point. However, I guess men must have had more leverage power in the past when things were more unequal. Maintaining a cultural imbalance of objectification of women is just tilting the scales even further to men's disadvantage. I don't think people often view the ways it effects men too.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 06:07 PM
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Oh god. You're making me work here. Duke nukem basically is about how the women of earth are kidnapped and impregnated by aliens. The women are nameless but look like bikini models and taken to a hive where theyre restrained naked and vomiting and you have to shoot them. In god of war you come across naked nameless women that you can have sex with as a mini game. There's one level where you kidnap a naked woman and use her as a door stop, crushing her in the process. A lot of the other games jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 05:43 PM
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If you haven't played them then just looking them up isnt going to show you what is in them, is it? Yeah, I love the witcher too but it definitely has objectification of women. You can literally collect pin up shots of the female characters as loot lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 05:35 PM
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Just off the top of my head; Duke Nukem forever Dead or Alive Beach volleyball BMX XXX Hitman GTA Saints Row Metal Gear Solid (Quiet) Bayonetta God of War The Witcher Metroid Prime (in the earlier ones the female protagonist strips down the quicker you complete the game)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 05:30 PM
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That statement is utterly absurd to me. Baldur's Gate was an exception from typical male dominated industry that objectified women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 05:21 PM
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By male if you mean aimed at men then, absolutely. Tbf, I think denying this is akin to denying the sky is blue imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 05:18 PM
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Yes. But the fact that it was revolutionary for doing that further confirms my point that there was a huge imbalance. One successful attempt of rebalancing it doesn't wipe the slate clean.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 05:16 PM
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It isn't helping but maybe it is another knock on effect. Girls that grow up seeing women objectified are more likely to self objectify and conclude that is what society values of them. It's a vicious cycle which has been addressed for decades but people did not always take seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 05:15 PM
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Oh, well the average hack and slash prior to the 2010s pretty much always had a titty scene of a college aged girl for no reason. Baldur's Gate had equal opportunity fanservice and thats why it was seen as so revolutionary. Yes, yes it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 05:13 PM
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They do want easy answers to complicated problems. But what are those complicated problems and what has caused them? That's what my post is about.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 05:11 PM
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Have you ever watched a horror film created prior to the 2010s? Or played a video game? Or watched Game of Thrones?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 05:09 PM
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There's been studies done on this spanning decades that women tend to be more likely to ge sexualized. Muscular men being topless isn't sexualization in the way men think it is, it is usually created by men and appeals to male (gay and straight) ideas of male idealism.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 05:07 PM
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Women do play into objectification but the society we are born into isn't a clean slate. There's existing attitudes from the generations before us. A woman who is exposed to objectification of women growing up is more likely to see that as what she as a woman is valued for and is more likely to consider industries that are based around that. Like sexual revolution of women didnt happen in an egalitarian society. It happened in a patriarchal capitalist one where men still held all the power over …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 05:05 PM
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There's the base desire and there is a societal and cultural attitudes.. Like in ancient Greece for example, male bodies were seen as the epitome of beauty. Societies that have been patriarchal for a while will typically objectify women more so because more men are straight and patriarchal societies are filtered through a male perspective, but that imbalance at the macro level can have an effect of on relationships at the micro, everyday level.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 05:00 PM
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I'm usually an advocate against the objectification/sexualization of women which people usually argue is strictly an issue that effects women. I argue it effects men too. Your entire post history is an example of why.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 01:12 AM
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Nice trolling there. Thanks for the laugh.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 01:08 AM
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What about the women who have never heard of this case? Which is probably the majority?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 10:47 AM
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The idea that women can sense every bad person isn't true. Sometimes they can spot red flags due to their own personal experiences but the conflating that to "women are just psychic" is not an idea I think most reasonable people share.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 03:02 PM
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i thought women hate abusers? manipulators? ect Women aren't attracted monolith. But generally speaking, yes, people dont like abusers. Successful abusers are usually successful for a reason, and that is that they're good at playing to part of decent and regular people for long enough to sink their teeth in. They're usually more confident and more likely to approach in the first place vs embittered men on the sidelines that have never said hi to a woman due to anxiety.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 02:01 PM
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Suicide is ultimately the choice of the person but of course factors lead there. What is the parallel you believe western men are facing from women of the case discussed in that article?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 04:41 PM
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What misandry in the west is supposed to parallel this?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:10 PM
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Not true. Bonobo chimps are matriarchal and way less violent than their patriarchal cousins the Chimpanzee. Both are our closest genetic ancestors as humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:00 PM
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That's why feminism is always needed. To those asking why it is still around in the west.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 06:31 PM
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Do you mean in pop culture or in personal life? There's a lot in pop culture, more than female role models anyway. Always has been.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 07:53 AM
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Yes absolutely it is still feminism. I doubt these women would actively campaign against women's rights just because of their dating preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 12:45 PM
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Other way around. Feminism is about choice. It's more of the law of the land whereas everyone's philosophy is different.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/26 12:40 PM
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Everything you said is ridiculous. The porn industry predates only fans girls by decades. The culture was already established by male funders, directors and purchases and feminists speaking out against it were ignored or laughed out of the room. To come in at the 11th hour which happens to coincide with women getting more autonomy in an industry that profits off their bodies and saying feminists were right and porn is actually bad and it's all women's fault all along doesn't convince me at all a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/26 03:30 AM
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Definitionally it is not. They are two distinct terms even if you can associate them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 12:48 PM
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Yes they don't care when Syndney Sweeney is doing nude scenes in male directed productions but they care when it's a woman on Instagram or Twitter. They don't like rich and powerful men but flocked to Andrew Tate who's entire business model was based on being rich and powerful.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 11:26 AM
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You said it was a "synonym" for civilization. I said no it is not. Which is accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 11:23 AM
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Everything is rooted in patriarchal narratives; "patriarchy" is a synonym for civilization. No it isn't, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 10:45 AM
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No, I'm saying these opinions would've been quite, or a less loud. You really think a guy jerking it through highschool for relief stress, who probably didn't think of ethics of sex work, is gonna have the same exact opinions after an escalation of gender tension and sensational click bait around sex workers? This is exactly what I am saying. Men don't care when they're benefiting. They only care when they feel women have too much power. Objectification isnt the issue in and of itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 12:31 AM
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Nobody really wants to be working at McDonald's. And the employees don't get a say in what they sell, how it's produced, and how they portray themselves. Sex workers often do. Their is a quite bit of agency you're taking away from them giving the fact that over time most women on onlyfans and in porn are doing it with enthusiasm. Now they do, to a certain extent. That's what you have an issue with. The employees now have a stake in the business. The last guy already covered it but I don't unders…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 11:22 PM
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If sex workers were to blame for anything, I'm undecided, they wouldn't be retailers, they'd be the people who chose what McDonald's and drugstores sell. Hard disagree and this is where you show the huge bias I was pointing to. Sex workers are more like the McDonalds employees. They're working in a industry that was already proven profitable under patriarchal capitalism and established by people much more powerful than themselves. The owners of these pornsites, the people who have been profiting…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 10:58 PM
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Okay if your argument is health then where do we draw the line according to you? Cigarettes cause cancer but aren't banned. Junk food causes obesity but is fine in moderation. So I guess you would put onlyfans creators in the same moral category as retailers that sell vapes and McDonald's and taco bell? And why only stop at only fans? Why not campaign against the owners of only fans, of pornhub, sexualization in TV advertisements, films that show women growing up that this is a profitable indust…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 08:09 PM
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I'm not really sure how accurate your biological standpoint is but you make the case for junk food , social media algorithms etc. It's a discussion of how big you want the government and how regulated you want industry to be. You’re essentially saying: "It’s our turn to profit from this, so you aren't allowed to call it harmful anymore." You’re prioritizing economic revenge/equality over public health. You’re more interested in winning the historical gender war than discussing the actual effects…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 07:17 PM
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Men have been sexualizing women for decades. Controlled all the big pornsites and porno mags When feminists complained about it, they were laughed out of the room. Now women have control over the means (as they should since it is their bodies), now suddenly men are going anti-porn and feminists were right all along? Give me strength.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 07:01 PM
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And most men watching porn weren't made addicted to drugs. Women's bodies are not drugs.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 06:13 PM
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Most men never had an issue objectifying women and would laugh in the faces of feminists until women started being in actual control of the act. I see women being in control of their objectification as a step up from the past since it is their bodies and you can't fault women for learning that sex sells after growing up in prior generations which basically told them straight that it did over and over (film, TV, magazines, video games, pornsite run by men). Not all women do sex work but the women…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 04:59 PM
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The drug dealer is always worse than the user. Both are wrong, but the one supplying the drug is worse. The trafficker is always worse than the hoe.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 04:53 PM
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I mean the idea that looks dont matter was created by men, in media, at least. That's all I'm saying and I'm not saying no one should complain but that that specific one isn’t women "lying to men", as it is sometimes framed.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 02:17 PM
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The media that told you think was often created by other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 11:14 AM
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Which is?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 08:32 PM
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It's a phrase which I never heard used outside of the context I described but has been latched onto by the red pill to represent something it isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 08:25 PM
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I don’t see what that has to do with the usage and meaning of a phrase.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 08:16 PM
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I haven't heard the phrase in real life and believe it's usage, if it is used, is nothing about what the red pill frames it as. It's usually pining after some make believe chivalrous male archetype of history. Not somehow men who were around her 20+ years ago. I haven't seen that subreddit but I'll bet it is men projecting ideas onto women based on this rather than the women literally saying this.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 07:14 PM
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"Where are all the good men?" I've not heard anyone other than Bonnie Tyler say that lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 04:07 PM
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Yeah, they did. Strangely. My guess is that pornhub analytics are first and foremost a marketing gimmick, and since their core audience is straight men, they didnt want to make them uncomfortable with including the gay category but portraying women as uniquely lesbian fulfills a male fantasy. They've removed other categories before. Usually it's the more controversial ones that would get their site bad press.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 05:46 PM
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No, I just think men and women's sexuality is different and women require romance rather than purely visual cues like men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 11:41 AM
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That "women like lesbian porn" thing is blown out of proportion by pornhub because they don't group gay male in with the men and womens stats, so women are only judged by content made for straight men and it doesn't show how high gay porn would rank in men's favourites (I'm guessing quite high because of the size of the individual category vs something like Japanese or BDSM). Also pornsites are primarily aimed at men (gay and straight), it isn't fair to judge women's sexuality entirely by men's …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 11:13 AM
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Those were fashion trends though, not necessarily to appeal to the opposite sex, more so to illustrate class and power. It's not the way women have used make up for thousands of years.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 11:19 PM
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No because they have worked so long so why would they stop? I mean socialization of the human species has been patriarchy for at least the last 10,000 years which clouds both men and women's ability to be completely objective. This is doubly so for men trying to take an unbiased lense on women's sexuality that isn't clouded by their own sexuality which not only grounds their worldview but has been the cultural norm for millenia.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 11:18 PM
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Red pillers tried and failed because they refused to see past their own male reproductive imperatives and bias and be entirely pragmatic. Women have been forced into total pragmatism because it was necessary for any leverage or power in society. Men do not have to rely on women for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 10:04 PM
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I disagree that is was for physical expression and not for men. I think it a patriarchal society, appealing to men was necessary for survival in many cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 10:02 PM
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If this would true that female beauty standards wouldn't have become so high. Make up has been worn for thousands of years. Women have basically culturally evolved to understand male sexuality because we have historically been patriarchal. Men didn't need to learn, they just had to earn and take.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 07:31 PM
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Two things can be truth at once. Men could have low standards and women can understand male sexuality pretty well overall.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 06:33 PM
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Still male sexual selection being prioritised here. Harems for select "alpha" males is textbook male reproductive imperatives.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 03:33 PM
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Make up, fashion, hair styling, self care, cosmetic procedures, sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 01:48 PM
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No, I never said that. I said the fact women can monetize male sexuality at the drop of a hat and have no issue finding partners means they have an understanding of how male sexuality works. Seriously, it's like my comments get translated into Yiddish after I post them on this subreddit or something sometimes lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 01:47 PM
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Women found super creative ways to make themselves more attractive and you're saying with men it is immutable, just sounds like laziness/lack of imagination to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 11:44 AM
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I do not think so. Maybe they chose to ignore it but you cannot force a value set on others.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 02:55 AM
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Because if they do and men aren't meeting it, all rhat proves is men aren't meeting the standard. Which proves the original claim tbat women understand male sexuality more than the reverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 02:54 AM
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That doesn't prove anything. It just proves my point. That men in general haven't figured out female sexuality enough to socially capitalise on it en masse.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 02:50 AM
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Maybe. But should they accept it? That is the question. That is a fundamental question of values. If you found out you wife was a borderline, or actual, pedophile you wouldn't have to accept it either.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 02:48 AM
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Ummmm that is already addressed in the barely legal porn that women put out that is monetized. How do you want women to actively consider this is in long term relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 02:43 AM
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What is the fundamentals that you think women are missing here?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 02:28 AM
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Okay. Can you actually answer now?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 02:24 AM
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Okay, if you say that the fact women can monetize male sexuality very easily doesn't prove they understand male sexuality and there's something they are missing in regards to LTRs, what is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 02:21 AM
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Keep telling yourself that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 02:16 AM
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You didn't answer my question.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 02:15 AM
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You said male sexuality, not long term relationship standards. What are those standards that relate to this thread, out of interest, pray tell?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 02:11 AM
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No desire to understand male sexuality? I think women understand it too much, that's why then can monetize it in a drop of a hat. Men cannot do the same unless it is for gay men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 02:08 AM
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You can't use your idea of men's low standards to completely rebuke the idea that women like youth too You've already admitted my premise. Women also prefer youth, health and beauty. Your arguments was the "reality" factor. That is reality these two things rarely synchronise. My argument is yes, and that's why I said it was a trade off. One which many women do not choose - as the deciding factor for raw sexual appeal is the youth and beauty. The other is a pragmatic thing that, while attractive,…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 12:43 AM
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I think the ideal man for a boomer to gen Z woman would be a man that is young and hot but also rich and powerful. Red pillers love to bring up Fifty Shades of Grey as a representative of female sexuality but even the sexy dominant rich guy Christian Grey in that story is a man in his 20s lol. That's why I say it is a trade off. Some women trade off the raw sexual desire for the economic "power" and status but most do not and choose the former, that's why large age gaps are not so common, especi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 09:49 PM
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So you don't think 10,000 years of history can effect people's choices? I admit some things are more ingrained than others, that's why you see women's desire for a man to earn more or be a breadwinner trending down in recent years.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 09:42 PM
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Patriarchy is a cross cultural thing so explaining how this has effected the evolutionary path of humans is entirely logical. Women's mate selection wasn't prioritised, women had to prioritise survival. This of course effects women in the modern era but if we never had a patriarchal society then women would just go for who they were attracted to which is obviously younger men for the reasons I stated.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 09:35 PM
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How does it handwave anything innate if we are all a product of evolution and I'm just explaining our evolutionary past?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 09:26 PM
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It isn't speculative that much of modern history was patriarchal and there was a systemic power differential between men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 09:24 PM
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Yes it does. That's why sperm banks prefer men younger than late 30s. And yes they are fitter. That's why the military prefers younger men. Like, come on. All the other argument your comment made was explained in my comment by the trade off women make due to our patriarchal past which didn't prioritise female mate selection but instead relied on economic and systematic power factors to ensure male selection first and foremost.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 09:20 PM
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It's the same for women, women have just been socialised to be more flexible and value other things due to patriachal history/our evolution. Younger men are more attractive as they're, fitter, healthier and have higher sperm count. Women are more likely to make trade offs since they're sexual selection wasn't prioritised historically.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 09:15 PM
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Your other example is AOC attacking short men, not men as a group. See what I did there?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 04:12 PM
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Bonobos females are smaller and weaker than the males the maintain dominance by forming all female groups to stamp out any potential male aggression. Yeah, you can say it doesn't matter, unless you're into evopysche and anthropology then it's a interesting topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 04:09 PM
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Like bonobos, our closest genetic relative (along with chimps).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 01:58 PM
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I know. But I know which society I would choose to live in. The one without lethal interspecies violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 01:49 PM
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You mean other patriarchal cultures? How does that disprove my point of it being a concoction based on male reproductive imperatives and expectations?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 07:01 AM
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Bonobos are our closest genetic ancestors, a long with chimps. But hey if the west is so keen on destroying itself who am I to stop them??? As it is Europe would soon be over run by Sharia demanding muslim men. I would love to see women reaction when they are forced to follow those laws. Yeah of course you would. This isnt a thing though. Immigration is introduced in a controlled way and most have integrated by the second generation.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 06:59 AM
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No it isn't. One is based on personal attraction and choice. Hitler didnt fuck men either does that mean he hates men?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 06:58 AM
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What different would that make?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 06:56 AM
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Basically for not being forced into relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 06:40 AM
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Is that literally the same as not wanting to have sex or date certain people?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 06:40 AM
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No, the bonobo model looks good to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 06:39 AM
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Was hitlers beliefs that he didnt want to have sex and date certain people?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 06:35 AM
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Are you kidding? This man wants to drag women back to that period. He is a wannabe forefather.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 06:34 AM
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The result of their mistake of not wanting to be oppressed?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 06:33 AM
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Maybe because these narrow definitions of masculinity and femininity are men's conception only and women disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 06:10 AM
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Red pill has because so blurred with male supremacy content and #repealthe19thers in recent years so can't blame them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 06:04 AM
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I disagree but if the only way men get women is by oppressing them then I think that's a pretty messed up idea. Studies have shown women are progressively more likely to go for men that earn less so this seems to be changing as societal norms do.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 06:00 AM
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Catharsis comes from emotional affirmation. Yes, you may have seen similar things that you interpret in similar ways and you can all vent but then you concentrate theses ideas into extremists positions based on those feelings of frustration. Modern women hold most of the power in modern society now, but they still invoke the so-called “patriarchy” as a catch-all scapegoat because without it, they would be required to be more accountable for how they use it. Many women are all too happy to suppor…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 07:07 PM
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Super radical ones, maybe. But feminists in general belief's are rooted in reality of the distribution of power and the world. Red pill only reaffirms feminism - that the fight is never over so long as their people who would take those rights away. Look at 1970s Afghanistan vs today. In 2014 some people were saying "feminism isn't necessary anymore", today's discourse only proves it very much is when you look at the extreme red pill and the #repealthe19thers. Catharsis, indeed. It's psychology a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:41 PM
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Disagree. It's 1) Their interpretation of their interactions with women and 2) The general weird mixed societal messaging of being in a transitionary phase of patriachy vs egalitarianism, that makes them red pill. Many men are stuck between the two and are more psychologically willing to affirm the patriarchal messaging because it appeals more to their sex imperatives as a man. Red pillers take the easy route, not necessarily the correct one.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:09 PM
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Negging and shit testing are both terms from the red pill, so no.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 11:46 AM
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They were talking about murder.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 07:52 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 05:37 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 05:36 PM
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Not the same thing at all. Anyway, the screenshots you asked for. As you can see misogyny came before misandry in these examples; <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 05:35 PM
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Also the way these trends work is word association but it doesn't provide the context. You can't just cherry pick phrases like this. You also do not have the Internet in the 1910s to compare language. Absolute ridiculous post.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 05:28 PM
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You're using very specific terms which you know have a memeworthy popularity in one context more than the other. What about Women shouldn't vote vs men shouldn't vote. Women are property vs men are property. Men are superior vs women are superior?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 05:22 PM
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The entitlement in this post is off the charts.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/26 10:41 PM
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Maybe because the female ones you speak of aren't running exploitative "empires" that financially hoodwink men, run sex trafficking rings and inspire misogynistic terrorist attacks. Not to mention misogyny is a much more existential threat if you view it through the lense of history and the wider world.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 07:43 PM
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I've never seen it at all myself. Maybe because I don't use tik tok? Where the male ones are everywhere. They're household names being funded and made rich by men all over the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 06:30 PM
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You can say that but there seems to be no central figure women are propping up and giving their money to like there is with Andrew Tate, Fresh and fit, Roosh V, whatever etc. How is it stupid to point out that fact?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 03:54 PM
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I find it interesting how there is no misandrist version of Andrew Tate for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 03:10 PM
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"Tranquilized matress".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 07:08 PM
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In that case, you should know feminism doesn't have an end state as long as the threat of the reversal of hard-earned rights exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 04:40 PM
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Op is using the same argument about cultivation theory with the media we consume that feminists do.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 01:55 PM
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"Why" ?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 09:37 AM
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I am engaging. You are the one that keeps derailing onto different topics when I am keeping my replies laser focused on what we were discussing. You are denying the fact of misogynistic violence and saying "men get murdered more" but they aren't murdered for being men or for sex. According to the International Centre for Counter-Terrorism (ICCT) at the Hague, counter-terrorism experts were slow to recognize misogyny as an animating ideology for acts of mass violence in comparison to recognition …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 09:32 AM
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Oh, really? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogynist_terrorism Not to mention intimate partner violence, honour killings, femicide of baby girls, witch hunts. Misogyny and it's connection with femicide is clearly observable historically and in the modern world.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 09:24 AM
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You made the leap that neglecting men's issues leads to suicide so I did the same with how misogyny can lead to murder of women by men/femicide.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 09:19 AM
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You said it was "much worse", so I gathered from that you mean "morally worse" but you didn't, I suppose?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 09:13 AM
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What is worse morally, murder or suicide?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 08:55 AM
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oh well tough sh1t the world isn't fair or they bring it on themselves thing". I never once said that. It depends on what the complaint is and how it is framed.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 08:54 AM
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So you want larger government, more men going to university vs trades and more sex exclusive groups for men, yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 08:39 AM
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Why is society causing it? What is society doing to cause this?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 06:47 AM
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Op is literally doing the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 05:34 PM
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Not entity. Systematic structuring and attitudes that persists cross-generationally.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 05:19 PM
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Make sure you do it to your male friends too who don't date you to be consistent. No one is required to date you.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 01:40 PM
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Men need to get it out of their head that someone's choice to not date them isn't a evaluative judgement of them as a person. They'd never think this of their friends so projecting this on women is unfair. It's morally neutral. People are allowed preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 01:37 PM
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How is not dating you devaluing you? Do you think your male friends are devaluing you by not dating you too?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 01:28 PM
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Threads aren't evidence. Many women find the idea of two men together hot actually. Thats why gay male romance in fanfiction outnumbers even straight romance for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 01:25 PM
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That isn't disregarding anyone's dignity. That's free will. Men thinking that people not dating them is an attack on them personally need to stop. It's untrue and creepy. Sexualization isn't respect. Not dating someone is completely mortally neutral. Also I don't disregard non straight men as potential partners so you can't throw that at me anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 01:24 PM
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Sexualizing female homosexuality isn’t acceptance and praise. Sexualization is one of the most dehumanising things you can do to a person. Men criminalized all forms of homosexuality whilst still sexualizing lesbianism and bisexuality in women. It isn't acceptance. It's taking one aspect of it and projecting your own desires onto it for your own selfish pleasure whilst completely disregarding the dignity and lived experience of actual lesbians. It is nothing more than fetishism. By your same log…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 01:20 PM
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Even if it was a fact, why do these men bring it up all the time? It's obvious they do it as a threat.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 07:43 AM
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Why is it a bigger issue to prioritise? I think people projecting hatred outward is a bigger existential/societal threat than being upset.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 07:41 AM
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Men sexualize women for being bisexual and wanting threesomes, that's sort of homophobia in and of itself. Women don't find the promiscuity stereotype/open relationship factor attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 07:35 AM
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The manosphere uses gay as an insult all the time. If men are suddenly becoming defensive of gay men after 2000 years of violent homophobia to stick it to women who call them gay then I think the reverse psychology is working out pretty damn well.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 04:34 AM
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We are a result of our evolution and culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 03:42 AM
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It isn't feminism. It's literally just women turning men's prejudice on themselves. You don't have to be a feminist to intuitively know this is an effective strategy for getting under their skin.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 03:42 AM
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Why does it matter if it can change? It only matters within a patriarchal and homophobic society which thinks being gay is a problem that needs "fixing".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 09:55 PM
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Why does exclusive vs preference matter though?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 09:50 PM
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You're speaking rubbish. I guess this is too nuanced for you. Enjoy your escape.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 09:43 PM
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Nope. They have a preference which is fine. Your bias is speaking with you vocabulary here
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 09:41 PM
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Humans are humans. Not better or worse than one another due to race or sexuality, nor do they need to be "cured" or forced to conform.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 09:35 PM
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Patriarchy demands that they insist that being gay needs to be justified as some form of condition. My society says it shouldn't matter if it is changeable or not. People should be free to be whoever they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 09:34 PM
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Nope. Not once did I say that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 09:27 PM
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Humans are bisexual at their most pure. Prople have preferences. No one should be pressured one way or the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 09:27 PM
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No, I'm drawing the direct parallel of homophobia and patriarchy and how it can be used against men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 09:26 PM
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No one can be turned straight nor should they be pressured to. That is my answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 09:21 PM
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Does it matter to you? Why should anyone be "made straight"?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 09:17 PM
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Explain how?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 09:15 PM
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No one can be "made" straight and it shouldn't matter. The fact anyone had to claim otherwise to avoid patriarchal punishment is completely wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 09:14 PM
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No. No one can be made straight. Humans are bisexual. They desire for people to be straight is man made and immoral.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 09:04 PM
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It isnt morally pure but neither is the system. Sometimes you have to challenge it crudely to actually inspire empathy and change.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 09:01 PM
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Gay camps dont work because people's preference shouldn't be stamped out of them. It is completely morally neutral. Insisting everyone be straight is complete authoritarian abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 08:59 PM
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Gay camps shouldn't even be considered because being gay is morally neutral. They shouldn't have to justify their sexuality by saying they have no choice. Thats appealing to patriachal homophobia. It should be fine regardless. Looking at great apes is insanely useful when considering are evolutionary psychology. Red pill only look at the stuff that validates men's interests and patriachy. I'm here to show you it is much more broad.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 08:53 PM
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There are great ape species that are entirely bisexual. Culture and evolution can influence the human condition. Sexuality is entirely morally neutral. In a perfect world, it would just be a choice rather than them insisting they had no choice in the matter to validate themselves within a homophobic system.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 08:47 PM
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Yes. That's why it's good to challenge it. Sometimes the first, or most accessible, stage is to crudely turn it back on them. This is what inspires empathy which the straight men seem to be somewhat demonstrating here with their complaints. Suddenly they're sticking up for gay men. Good for then.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 08:45 PM
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Women wouldn't be homophobic without the patriachal conditioning. Great ape species that are matriarchal (bonobos) are entirely bisexual. This is literally just patriachy coming back to bite men. And yes, patriachy effects womens too. They do it because it works within the system they live in. Most people arent thoughtful enough to dig into why they think and act the way they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 08:39 PM
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It plays off men's homophobia. That's why it doesn't work on women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 08:33 PM
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I'm not switching. It's literally playing off male homophobia. Its directly connected.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 08:29 PM
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Science works with theory. Like evolutionary and gravity. It's gathering facts to create a hypothesis.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 08:22 PM
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Like I said, it directly challenges patriarchal homophobia and the contraction associated with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 08:22 PM
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Suddenly men care about gay men after 2000 years of criminalization via the death penalty and patriachal societies across the globe are throwing them off rooftops - even though women are statistically more accepting of gay and lesbians and always have been and the one matriarchal large ape society we can point to is completely bisexual and this insult doesn't work on them in the same way because they literally don't care or feel insecure about it. Okay then.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 08:20 PM
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If you dig into the sociological and psychological history then you'd probably arrive at that, objectively.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 08:17 PM
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It may be low effort in nature but what it reveals is a fundamental contradiction of patriachy that women innately know and feel.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 08:16 PM
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Mildly so yes. These women probably arent against men being gay and bi like patriarchy was though. More so they're effected by those norms and stereotypes. Like gay and bi men's perceived promiscuity.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 08:14 PM
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If you take it as one. That's the whole point of the experiment. To reveal your own homophpbia.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 08:12 PM
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You can do what you want but one will be recognised as actively patriarchal and the other as challenging patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 08:12 PM
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Women absolute can be but also are better at challenging them because they see the blindspots men are more likely to see as natural order, according to their own limited perspective. Women who say they dont want to date bi men are indeed unconciously playing into patriarchy but thats is a dating preference more so than explicit homophobia.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 08:10 PM
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Gay isnt a slur. It is a descriptor.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 08:09 PM
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Low effort but effective against challenging patriarchal homophobia. You expect women to conform to your expectations but homophobia is something the patriarchy has criminalized for centuries. Why make it harder for yourself? Instead of expecting women to conform, why not expand your horizons? Mammals are perfectly capable of bisexuality, as seen in the matriarchal bonobos.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 08:08 PM
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True but why not make it easier for yourself and try men? Humans are literally more flexible than you think.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 08:06 PM
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High n count plays into patriarchy. Weaponized homophobia challenges men about their own patriarchal biases.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 08:03 PM
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It's both. It's an insult because men take it as one, and also reveals something about themselves that they can sit with.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 08:02 PM
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It works because men fear it. Women are perfectly within their rights to turn this patriarchal homophobia against them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 08:01 PM
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Nope. Matriarchal ape species (bonobos) are completely bisexual. It's the patriarchal ones that aren't and criminalized it. Even to give the death penalty over the practice. Women play to these patriarchal systems to get a reaction out of men because it works.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 08:00 PM
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Yes and no. I think humans at their most base level are more bisexual then they realize. Our culture and evolution has stamped this out for the most part but matriarchal ape species are pretty much complete bisexual (bonobos). It's the patriarchal ones that aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 07:59 PM
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Because it doesn't work the same way. Women do not care half as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 07:57 PM
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Game of chance. Homophobia is much stronger in men on average so it tends to hit way harder than calling a woman a lesbian. Women dont care. But they know men on average do.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 07:55 PM
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Indeed but it's less about their own bigotry and more playing towards men's.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 07:53 PM
-1

But the success of the insult is due to male homophobia which has a much stronger history and tends to hit harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 07:52 PM
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Yes. And the same insult is thrown at women, but women do not have the same insecurity regarding homosexuality, so it doesn't hit as hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 07:51 PM
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I don't think women see it as an insult. More so they know men take it as one. That's the power of "insults", to attack someone's insecurities. And the logic follows that if you find women some deplorable, why not go for men instead?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 07:45 PM
3

Either that or their attraction to it can make them think that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 12:09 AM
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Sure but you'd be dishonest to say the market for strictly visual content of men aimed at women is smaller. Women need a story, a character. Not just a body.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 11:39 PM
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Well the thing is when it comes to actual visual porn what women like seems to be very different than what men like. That's the issue. You can't judge women's preferences by male oriented porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 11:38 PM
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Pornhub stats are mainly bs. They're a marketing gimmick and the add and remove categories to suit the agenda of their "report". Gay male isn't even counted in the main stats. Women are only judged by the section of the site aimed at straight men, so of course you are going to find more gynephillic women in that section.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 11:35 PM
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Yeah the characters are also hot if that's what you're trying to say, but it isn't just that alone or women would just buy men's nudes like men do with womenm
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 11:32 PM
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I think what your issue is, is that it isnt the "opposite gender" collectively pushing back on any of those. Just different people with different opinions. Like your last one, not all women or feminist think sex work is empowering, hell, not even the people who are pro-sex work necessarily think that. You have feminists that are anti-sex work and you have women who think, well, it's always going to be a thing so at least protect the workers from exploitative - not necessarily a "yaas queen slay"…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 08:02 PM
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Women tend to prefer narrative erotica that explores romance, character, story. A story of two men doubles the erotic charge of seeing men being emotional and romantic and negates the pressure of self identification. It's also one of the few genres which portrays both dominant and submissive men simultaneously.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 07:56 PM
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Holding doors open isn't feminism. Nor is feminism something you support just to "get something" from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 07:59 PM
5

Do you not see your own bias here?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 07:58 PM
2

I think women support feminism because of specifically focused on their human rights. That's totally rational. There is not much else to it. The rest of your post was "men sigma and women dumb sheep", basically on the same level as "boys rule, girls drool" It's just a very biased and shallow way of looking at evolutionary psychology.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 07:56 PM
1

Most men don't put much effort into their appearance. Jeans and hoodies. Skinhead or overgrown hair. That's pretty much it. Attractive men stick out a mile in comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 12:49 AM
2

Can't tell if this is sarcasm or not lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 04:09 PM
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When men call you emotional when they're the only ones acting emotional and getting angry in a debate lol. Also strawmanning and downvoting.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 02:15 AM
13

Sex work is massively oversaturated and also a minority achieve actual notable success via it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 12:08 AM
4

Men give terrible advice too. They are self servicing in their advice. Not many people are honest, even when they believe they are being.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 04:34 PM
2

How have feminists specifically made that harder?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 08:30 AM
0

Check the actual statistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 08:27 AM
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It would be higher but not as high as male violence or male on female SA. Just by looking at our evolutionary relatives - in primates, males are usually more aggressive due to testosterone levels, both sexually and physically
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 07:19 PM
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This is a lie. It's entirely philosophical and debatable. There is no reputable scientific source you can point to that has concretely established this.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 07:09 PM
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What do you deem a reliable source then? And the fact that they were immediately caught for that one, they'd soon be caught for a much bigger and more widespread dataset. Look at the methodology, not just the summaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:27 PM
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United nations (UNODC) reports.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 11:40 AM
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You're telling me the guardrails in which you deem the starting point on life. But you do not have the authority to decide when. It's a philosophical position.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 11:36 AM
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You can find pretty much anything on the Internet. That is why you should stick to data.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 11:35 AM
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I don't understand why thay matters. They're both cells that will or have the potential to become life. By actively blowing inside a sock is consciously squashing that potential. They're morally parallel.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 11:34 PM
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Using one example of an awful incident is silly when you know i could go find countless from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 11:32 PM
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He is asking which one your stat is referring to, dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 08:44 PM
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If you're talking about abortion then that isn't murder. It's autonomy over your own body and ejecting a clump of cells from it before they have chance to develop. It's done medically also, not violently. It's no more immoral than a man ejaculating into a sock rather than in an ovulating women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 08:42 PM
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Worldwide data suggests men commit 95% of the world's violence. This a globally observed thing and the world isn't just the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 08:30 PM
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I don't know the whole situation in depth but it could also be the men wanting them to take their kids and flee rather than them just running off.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 12:15 PM
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Women are fighting in Ukraine.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 11:23 AM
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It doesn't prove women are, it proves younger people are. Also, it depends how the arrange marriage system is practiced - group of men picking some ugly, old boring rich guy or a family decision involving female relatives where the woman can veto men she doesn't gel with?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 11:14 PM
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No. Read what I said again. I agreed with that point. I disagreed with you framing the motive as active lying and manipulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 03:49 PM
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I do not see how this relates at all to my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 01:08 PM
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I disagreed with the claim within your comment about women's pyschology and motives. Yes, it is up for debate. This is a debate sub. Even if you are the demographic the post is asking, you have to be ready to be challenged in the replies. That's the whole point of the subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 07:20 AM
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Most women really don't know what they want. And what they say they want is a lie. It's always a shit-test with(most) women. Disagree. Even the women who "don't know what they want" are rarely actively lying. I think women haven't actually been encouraged or allowed long enough to explore their collective sexuality outside the constraints of persisting generational phallocentric/patriarchal conditioning. This is much more the cases of younger women who haven't had enough time to break outside of…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 12:48 AM
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You sound very young. Hopefully your debate skills will improve with time and life will be more kind to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 08:43 PM
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1) Downvoting is against the sub's rules, not to mention very childish. 2) You're reacting emotionally and strawmanning what I'm saying and refuse to rise above that so I guess this debate is over if you can't disengage from that and let the arguments speak for themselves without the projection.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 08:39 PM
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You're not listening to what I'm saying, you're just projecting . You have no first hand experience and are making no attempt understand. I understand you might be clouded by your own unique experiences and greivences but everything I said is accurate to how a lot of young women experience dating. It isnt a pick a mix experience you are childishly envisioning and while men aren't "awful" (which i never once said, another strawman), they view dating in much more of a conquest-first practice on av…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 08:34 PM
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Never said monsters. Just not every man is compatible with every woman for relationships but still so many of them still interact as they're just after sex, burying the few ones you may actually be compatible with.. So many men will get into relationships even if they arent compatible just to get regular sex and some men view the "conquest" part as much more important than the actual relationship part so will often "fake it until they make it" - wasting a lot of women's time and energy. Especial…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 08:13 PM
1

Can you actually explain why instead of just saying stuff like this?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 06:10 PM
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Care to elaborate?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 02:06 PM
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The swamp implies time wasters, men only after her body, men who are putting on acts to gain access to her body, men that only want her because she's a woman, not because he actually likes or respects anything about her, dangerous men etc. It also highlights the negative aspects of choice paralysis. Like a Netflix gives you hundreds of options to watch and chose from and that can sometimes be much more stressful than just having 5 channels to flick through.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 07:56 AM
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So for women to be undesirable they have to be past 35, obese, "girl bosses" or already mothers. So, like the majority of women then?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 07:46 AM
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Op asked a question and I like the ponder human psychology.?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 07:40 AM
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I don't think it's as simple as the push for gender equality isn't working, more so many men were okay with the idea of gender equality when women were lagging behind power-wise but when women started to push to break into areas of influence and decision making, a lot of men panicked and said it was going too far. I think of gamergate as a stellar example of this. This was the beginning of the explosion of anti-feminism ecosystem we see online to this day. In regards to dating. I think again men…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 10:52 PM
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Always split. I'm in western Europe though, this seems a US/maybe eastern European thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 06:49 PM
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Well you understood me so I dont think the typo was really worth mentioning but whatever. Yeah but in actual healthy relationships you more than likely have some control over the outcomes by your actions and communication.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 06:35 PM
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Depends what your emotional needs are.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 02:07 PM
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What irony are you referring to?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 02:07 PM
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Yeah but you have more chance of actual having a reason rather than just being cut off without a chance to ever speak to the again and it's all in control of a cooperation, nothing you actions and words can do.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 08:18 AM
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Unhealthy but each to their own It's unhealthy because you're outsourcing your emotional needs to a cooperation that could withdraw the service at anytime. It may also lead you to neglect real life while you lose yourself in a fantasy creation that you can't possibly build anything real with.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 01:31 AM
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I've lost the point of this conversation, sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 09:31 PM
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You havent said anything to prove that case yet. Your last comment suggests the opposite. Can you point me to a branch, literature or representative of the red pill that illustrates how you view it instead of just the broad "male improvement" which the red pill does not have the have the monopoly?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 09:22 PM
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"Getting casual sex with hot women without paying" isn't something the universe dolls out to men as a reward like you're describing. Women's actions have many meanings behind them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 09:18 PM
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You just mostlty ignored what I said and moved the discussion more into your misogynistic red pill conspiracies about women's rights, further illustrating my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 09:14 PM
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Feminism is an academic social science theory that has existed in academia for decades and goes back over a hundred years that analyses and addresses real ingrained and institutional sexism and patriarchy that has existed globally for millenial. You're can't change all that as easy as we can decide what the little pop culture term turned social media hate brigade against womens rights and Feminism is by listening to you speak for all of 30 seconds.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 02:47 PM
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God, it's like trying to explain the 24 hour clock to a kindergarter. Look a man just responded to explaining it pretty well. Maybe you'll listen to hin?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 02:43 PM
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I just call that self improvement. Red pill is very specific. There's no salvaging the term now. Everyone knows it as rabid misogyny, male supremacy and conspiracy theories.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 12:48 PM
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Sorry if you felt offended enough to write that crap.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 12:41 PM
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My 5'11" husband is a good person. The 5'6" one was horrible, egotistical and with a bad temper. Nothing to do with height but since he brought it up. Not all short guys are just super nice dudes who were never given a chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 12:40 PM
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That's reactionary, not natural. Language works with actually context. Yours is just a poorly constructed gotcha because you dont understand or feel offended by the authentically occurring term.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 12:38 PM
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That isn't a saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 10:27 AM
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Not really a thing. If she's tight it's because she is dry and doesn't find you that attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 10:27 AM
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Your fixation on this particular topic and dissection of it is the point when it isnt that deep at all. You see women as objects and then you project that attitude onto others.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 06:48 AM
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Obviously you'd say that. Further self delusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 06:21 AM
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This is your perception of reality with all your preconceived assumptions and beliefs projected onto a scenario. People dont think about these things in the same way you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 06:09 AM
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That isn't red pill. Were they making tik toks saying women shouldn't vote and have no value apart from looks and being under the age of 22? Then not red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 05:49 AM
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Yes, misogyny is passed down generationally.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 05:47 AM
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We really, reallu dont care.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 05:43 AM
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Using the concept of size to mock insecurity.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 05:42 AM
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He didnt explain it at all. He doubled down on the assumption.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 05:42 AM
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I like how men are coming to my comment to prove my theory that they just make up what women are saying and the call them liars.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 01:03 AM
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You're twisting my words. Think we've worked out your thought processes that lead you to think women are lying to you. Just make up what they're saying in your head.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 12:33 AM
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I never said the big dick guy had any advantages other than challenging your assumption that he did. Also we can't have it all. Oh well. You're gonna have to live with that like everyone else in the world and play to your strengths.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 12:31 AM
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Men who overcompensate with fancy cars are said to have "small dick energy". Not necessarily small dicks but the energy of someone who is insecure of their dick size. To your second point, i never once said that. I said dick size has very little impact when the primary pleasure point is the clit.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 12:22 AM
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Like I said. It gets more of a reaction due to the insecurity, I guess. "Small dick energy" has little to do with the actual size and how desperately insecure the man is to the point it reflects in his behaviour and attitude (like Andrew Tate). On a serious note, if you actually are concerned with women's pleasure as you stated earlier, you should be far more concerned about the clit than dick size since most women only orgasm consistently through clitoral stimulation. Work on your pussy eating …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 11:58 PM
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Yeah because it gets the best reaction maybe.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 11:47 PM
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Well yeah. Men in general are taller. So it's a probability thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 11:46 PM
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Oh. I get it. You're projecting your sexual fixation and insecurity into women's words and believing they care as much about it as you do in your own head.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 11:41 PM
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It's below average for a man. Were you thinking more like Peter Dinklage or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 11:40 PM
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A man is with a woman with small breasts and he says breast size doesn't matter so long as they're natural while simping over Sydney Sweeney. It's almost as if you can like and appreciate two different things within different contexts.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 11:32 PM
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Since you haven't said anything specific or provided proof I'm just going to point you again to how your beliefs may be colouring you perception and confirmation biases
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 11:21 PM
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5'11". My ex was 5'6" but he was horrible. Being short doesn't automatically make you virtuous or a better partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 11:19 PM
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Doubt it. Pill men just call women liars when they say something that doesn't fit their preconceived notions of the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 10:44 PM
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My husband isnt anything like what the red pill claims is an attractive man and he had never even heard of the red pill until I told him. Maybe that's a start.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 10:42 PM
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He is gorgeous but also a genuinely good person with strong morals, he is artistic and we have a lot in common. Also he finds me hilarious and intelligent and it's nice to be appreciated for those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 06:08 PM
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It shows she views sex as intimate only shared with their BF. No necessarily tbf. There's women that believed that but were young and had guys pressure her then learned in time to establish boundaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 06:04 PM
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So STDs OR you have a moral objection to people having casual sex (say protection was always used and vigorous sexual health checks)?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 05:14 PM
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You could put a lot of unacceptable and immoral acts down to nature and instinct. It doesn't reflect well on someone's character and intellect when they refuse to recognise this and engage their rational brain, especially when it effects other people. Women liking tall and muscular men is as morally equivalent as men liking big boobs and wide hips. It isn't equivalent to forcing controlling moralizing attitudes onto women based on a completely illogical and archaic mate anxiety which has negativ…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 05:13 PM
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There can be but equal it can just be circumstantial. No one stays static in personality and interest throughout their lives. There's much better predictors of character than this and to centre it on this one metric I think is pretty random and just an excuse to to conceal the actual reasons which I believe to be rooted in male mate anxiety most of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 11:49 AM
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It matters on a variety of different factors. Did the man have less sexual partners than he actually wanted? That would be rooted in resentment. If it is truly based on his values then I think it is more understandable. Even if it sounds religious to me, so I can't relate as an atheist.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 11:47 AM
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It comes from archiac male reproductive anxiety and is one of the very things that led to a millenia of oppression and control over women's bodies and freedom. It doesn't suggest a high minded or intelligent man but an unga bunga, bat-to-the-head aggressive one. The reason for thie anxiety is not even any longer applicable in rhe really world with any with an IQ over 50 since the root of the anxiety is that the woman might be already pregnant and the man will not know but we know how long pregna…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 08:03 AM
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Class will always matter infinitely more than identity. This is already the standard belief in my country. Doesn't mean we ignore the reality of history and distribution of power, seeing as they overlap. For example, wealth primarily hoarded and controlled by white men (before you shoot back, no it isnt all, it just is almost exclusively and that obvious creates institutional bias).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 10:44 PM
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Black people have stronger claims to historical oppression even though black men got the right to vote before women and womens oppression is global, cross cultural and spans millenia? I'm not American myself. I was just pointing to something specific to highlight your hypocrisy. But pound for pound men dominate. Pound for pound would be 1000% expected in that sort of society where men have dominated on capital and institutional power consistently. Don't you see this?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 09:41 PM
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So now you admit culture effects these things too as well as historical context. Yeah i was specifically talking about literature, painting, film direction etc. Also, why is crime higher in black neighborhoods? Why are their less black CEOs and film producers compared per capita to whites? No historical context there too I supposed. Must just be some random lack of "greatness". This is how dumb your argument is.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 08:45 PM
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You said "great artists find a way. Women just have less of that greatness". You ignore all historical context to get yourself off the hook. How come black people on average have less art and romantic works? Less greatness too? White men are just magical I guess and everyone is just mad they're not as good so they make up these obvious and readily available historical and cultural facts instead of admitting their own inadequacy. 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 08:36 PM
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All you are doing is trying to handwave the fact that women had specific disadvantages to... what? Insist women are just stupid or incompetent? Well, either way, reality will be over here waiting for you when your ready to accept it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 05:15 PM
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I don’t see porn as art so. Glad you do but I’m not interested in disputing its relevancy to this conversation. I infact said the opposite. Nicholas sparks wrote the notebook and a man directed it…lol I was just listing a couple of examples of romantic lit. I wasn't chosing so by gender, just by genre. Yes I know it was written by a man and directed by one (obviously since men made up pretty much all directors back then) And Wurhering Heights is a Victorian novel. And a dammed good one. Once aga…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 03:32 PM
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The 20th century I wouldn't consider modern or an example of the arts on equal footing. Men still made up like 95+ of all producers, directors, CEOs and publishers and women staying home was more expected for the first three quarters of the century. This isnt an equal or fair comparison. Its only the 2010s+ when things started becoming noticeable equalized and it still is titled in favour of men. And if you're only looking at erotic novels and fanfiction, porn would be a better comparison to tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 03:19 PM
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Could you give me examples of the great modern and romantic art men are making?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 03:08 PM
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Even if they were plenty it doesn't mean it's a myth that they were held back and excluded historically.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 02:26 PM
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I put men instead of mean. I edited it. See if you can understand now.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 09:25 AM
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Maybe because women weren't allowed to create and publish art back then?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 07:54 AM
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What i think people mean is that women's attraction is more dependent on romance.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 07:52 AM
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Tate doesn't either. He just panders to male power fantasies of dominating women. Something men have gravitated to for centuries. And it isnt women's job to communicate anything to you for starters, but maybe women's inability to communicate effectively is because men have stopped women speaking for millenia - now suddenly they want to listen and if women don't immediately and coherently explain everything with 100% accuracy across a population level, even after thousands of years of sexual repr…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 02:30 AM
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If you could explain the intricacies of the decision to follow a sex trafficking pimp that says women shouldn't have rights then go ahead. Also, this is nothing new, men have always gravitated towards exploitative men. That's why modern history is full of sex pests and pedos like Epstein to the various kings of old. You're doing nothing bold or brave or new. You trying to blame women's rights is laughable. Women's rights is the only thing challenging this behavior. Your entitlement is the only t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 02:03 AM
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What are you talking about? How do you know these women are lying rather than 1) it's different women saying it since women are individuals not representations of entire populations or 2) you're misunderstanding the root of what they're saying and presupposing their actions as being contrary when they've either changed their mind through growth or you actually know nothing about the intricacies of their decision since you aren't living their life. And, still, how does any of that justify becomin…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 11:01 PM
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Yeah because Andrew Tate and the rest never give bad advice or contradict themselves LOL. Sorry mate, still not an excuse for you to become radicalised or hate women just because according to you, their "words aren't lining up with their actions" - what a crime!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 05:29 PM
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Well, sorry you feel that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 09:14 AM
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Okay well the original commenter implied so. That's really the point I wanted to argue.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 09:13 AM
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Let's get back to the original question then shall we?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 09:04 AM
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Okay even if i concede that it is maybe a small unconcious homophobia. Dating preference are personal, not institutional and do not threaten the rights of others to live and exist. So to counter the original comment, no, it does not prove women are more homophobic. Not by a long stretch.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 09:04 AM
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I wouldn't. I'm very open to dating bi men, personally. At the very least you can say dating preference are nowhere on par with actual homophobia that is to deny someone's right to live and exist. So no, women are no where near as homophobic as men even if you consider this fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 09:01 AM
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How about this "If we dig into the reasons, they're usually to do with promiscuity and women being picker in general - but dating preferences, are at least NO WHERE NEAR meaningful homophobia that actually effects others rights to live and exist".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 08:58 AM
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I think you're going a bit too meta here. Men are more homophobic. That is a fact even if you consider women are less likely to say they'll date bisexual men. Women are pickier in general but those reasons are usually because men are already considered hypersexual and have a wandering eye (stereotype) without doubling that propensity and adding all the facts in i listed. But it is still just a dating preference, it no where near compares to actual acceptance of another's right to live and exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 08:56 AM
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Rooted in fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 08:54 AM
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That's the association point being drawed from the argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 08:37 AM
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Higher propensity to promiscuity, open relationships and anal sex - which carries higher std transmission and most women dont want to do anal.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 08:37 AM
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If they're not on the same level then topic over. One is dating preference based on and that derived from facts about sexual health and promiscuity. One is blanket homophobia counter to the very existence of homosexuality in general and is based on nothing but hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 08:35 AM
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Just replied. Hope that helps.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 08:33 AM
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It is about sexual health, which can correlates and cross other with things like bisexuality.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 08:33 AM
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What about on the basis of higher promiscuity?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 08:32 AM
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I agree with testing but it's about funding. Like I said, I disagree with the policy, my point is these aren't just random. The history surronding gay men with stds and higher propensity toward promiscuity is rooted in fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 08:10 AM
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No. They stated straight women have more of an aversion to dating bisexual men, implying it was on the same level of explicit homophobia of being against gay rights, marriage, culture, right to love (it isnt). I said it is less homophobia and more personal fears surronding stds and hypersexuaulity/promiscuity. Understand?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 08:08 AM
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So are you denying there's any factual basis here. That gay men, at least in recent history, were far more at risk for carrying stds due to the risks associated with anal sex and higher propensity to promiscuity?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 08:05 AM
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Outdated as it may be, it has a factual basis, it isnt pulled out of nowhere just for the sake of homophpbia. I dont like the policy either, all I'm saying these are just random acts of bigotry, they have a basis in reality, outdated or otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 08:03 AM
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So they have absolutely no factual basis for this and it is just random fear and bigotry from the blood donor service?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 08:01 AM
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I dont like the policy. My argument is that these things are rooted in facts however, not just random feelings about certain groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 08:00 AM
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Look it up. Blood donor service have this rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 07:28 AM
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So blood donations of all things are randomly homophobic for literally no reason other from some random stereotype with no basis in reality?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 07:27 AM
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Blood donations do not accept blood from men who have sex with men unless they've been celibate for several months. It isn't just a stereotype, it's a fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 09:38 PM
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I think straight women's aversion to bisexual men is stds which is factually more common in gay and bi men and hypersexuality, which men already have without swinging for both teams. Gay male relationships of often open. So it isn’t actually to do with the gay part in isolation but the facts and culture surronding it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 09:07 PM
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So what is more transphobic then - not wanting to date trans people or being actively against trans rights? Because thats what these guys are comparing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 08:39 PM
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"Simply because she's a woman" or "simply because she's trans"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 06:37 PM
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By the same logic people who dont want to date trans people are transphobic. Or gay men who don't want to date women are misogynistic etc etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 06:23 PM
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That isnt homophobia. That is just a dating preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 05:53 PM
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Posts like these make me lose faith in humanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 05:52 PM
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"Just be yourself" works if you want to find the right person. Not to most women in the quickest amount of time. Personally I'd rather be with someone who likes me for me or be alone so to me that doesn't sound bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 01:14 PM
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Yeah men never oppressed anyone. They're actually the creators of the universe and all that is in and it's an evil conspiracy to turn humanity against their rightful gods. This is getting out of hand now lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 08:44 AM
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Enforced and upheld by multiple agencies, not one sex. Goverments Law Education Tech Industry They're all reliant on one another. The more women's rights have progressed, the more women have a stake in all of that. A good argument for why patriarchy is bad, because it makes women dependent on the structure rather than active participants.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 09:06 PM
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Yeah I've watched red pill debates where they try and argue it. It's one of the most egregiously bad, illogical and morally reprehensible arguments they've come up with in their unending quest to take us back to the dark ages - and that's saying something.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 08:55 PM
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People are not equal. And that should only play out in the ways you believe or want. Got ya. If men were the ones without any institutional rights or freedom then you wouldn't accept it. But since in your worldview that isnt the case, advocating for inequality is a-okay so long as it is male-centric.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 08:51 PM
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Oh dear. You just get worse by the second. You're totally in a rabbit hole/echo chamber, aren't you? Women "enjoy" rights because men "let them". How do they "let them", pray tell? By not forcibly suppressing them? Might makes rights and all? Okay so you only enjoy life today because someone hasn't murdered you. Therefore murderers run the world and grant you life - you should appeal to them and live under their authority as gratitude. 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 08:42 PM
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Feminism is the advocating of equal rights for women. You're just sexist so you resent the very idea, to the point you are willing to rewrite history to suppress it. In the 2000s feminists said sexism wasn't over. People laughed. In the 2020s, we have people like you all over the place. Should have listen to those feminists. It wasn't over at all, women just had to ask for "too much" (i.e total equality, not just partial).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 08:37 PM
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Oh so now we're getting into a "patriarchy good" debate. No, patriarchy not good. Even if you can point to some benefits of benign sexism. You whole opinion here is filtered through a patriarchy-as-default lense. Like so many men here. It's tiring and this is why we end up talking past each other
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 08:30 PM
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I still disagree with your point and it reeks of patriarchal societal structuring. Women would rather have a young hot man with the added strength advantage, superior sperm AND those resources. Or maybe even the resources aquired themselves and just a hot man with slightly more to cover pregnacy breaks. Even Christian Grey was in his twenties. Men take a hit with every decade they age too. The only difference is they can hide it behind resources. The more patriarchal the society, the better this…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 08:23 PM
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A young woman marrying an older man for resources is a trade off. Most younger women would prefer a young hot rich man. Anyway my answer is that I dont accept this us vs them narrative in dating but if you were to, you'd look at how these things actually play our surely, rather than hamfisting a narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 08:15 PM
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I hate when I see fellow brits post neanderthalic crap like this and I can't put it down to them being dumb trumpian Americans.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 08:13 PM
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I think framing is important in discussions and reveals the biases of those saying them For example when talking about evolutionary psychology saying; "women are naturally illogical and natural sheep/followers" Instead of like "Women score higher on emotional intelligence and tend to prioritise it due to they evolutionary past. They tend to be more communal and millenia of patriarchy may have an effect on perception of their perceived agency." So many men here will poison the well and lay their …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 06:44 PM
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All societies were basically religious so that's a moot point. Also Japan is pretty secular and is way advance when it comes to tech and other stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 05:31 PM
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People from poorer socioeconomic backgrounds and less developed countries are also more likely to be religious. Maybe lesser perceived agency leads to religiously and women on average have a lesser sense of perceived agency.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 03:56 PM
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"To some degree I have to agree with your sexist comment because ~ begins rest of comment ~ I am sexist too basically - but here's a different perspective you can denigrate women from" lol. High level discussion there guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 03:54 PM
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You dont invent equality you discover a word for something you previously were not doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 03:49 PM
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Yeah he may still get rejected. Maybe he cares less about getting rejected. Maybe his new found confidence leads to new and better relationships. You can't prevent the free will of others, you can only safeguard your own mental health and outlook.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 01:05 PM
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Well I can say in my case, it was not intended as an insult.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 01:04 PM
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No one "gives" someone equality. They only take it away or stop doing so.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 01:01 PM
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Or to help their mental health, self image and limiting beliefs. What's you solution? Equal distribution of women or something? Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 11:47 AM
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Yeah bullying is horrible but what truly effects you is not the words but you belief in them. If someone told you you were a cat you would likely not be offended as you know you're not a cat.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 11:46 AM
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Not every bit. But a more equal share, yes. And that result is equal rights for all, more education, healthcare etc. Crazy isn't it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 11:45 AM
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Women's obsession with actually pointing you to the correct medical treatment for mental health and self image rather than to a fairytale or blackpill is indeed disgusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 11:44 AM
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If you're getting hurt by others words it is because you arent confident in your skin and your relying on affirmation from others. Therapy can absolutely address that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 09:24 AM
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Yes because merely getting the vote doesn't change systems of power over night. Its a starting point and women still didn't occupy any structural positions of power in the justice system or government. I can't believe I have to explain this. And no, British monarchs haven't had any real power for like over 200 years. You're talking out you arse with this point and I'm not going to entertain someone this clueless on this topic a minute longer.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 08:52 AM
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It will reframe his defeatist mindset for starters.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 08:32 AM
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I didnt say dangerous men. I just said men in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 06:27 PM
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Men keep saying that and then are baffled when their partners are unsatisfied. It isnt just about getting someone unless you're after a one night stand. I think men would have a better time if they were just socialised to take more pride in their appearance in general and just stopped viewing women as so scary and unobtainable.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 05:48 PM
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You don't seem to have a very positive opinion of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 05:45 PM
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I dont think the high bar to reach is the looks. Just that men haven't been socialised to meet the baseline like women have. And women require a bit more proof testing via the more holistic things are mentioned. May it be due to evolution or safety or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 05:32 PM
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I'm not saying looks arent important. I'm just saying women's sexuality is a bit more holistic. Hence why women prefer narrative based romance and erotica and men like very visual but low substance video format porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 05:07 PM
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Not necessarily. I genuinely think women's attraction is more holistic and part of that is some form our chemistry or connection beyond merely the visual.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 04:58 PM
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Depends what you define as superficial. Many women say they're looking for chemistry and a genuine connection, more often than I see men say that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 04:31 PM
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Men's in group bias which has led to exclude women from power for millilenia and only accept other men in those positions, is more real world applicable evidence than that dumb survey you guys cite here.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 03:53 PM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 03:40 PM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 03:40 PM
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Yeah because it's true.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 03:40 PM
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I disagree to be fair because I believe in love, human morality and transcending mere animalistic urges but you are correct. If you believe one, you must believe the other. Not the value system I would rather live under or with however. Each to their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 03:30 PM
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And vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 03:19 PM
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Stronger and better looking men are usually younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 03:19 PM
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If a man leaves a woman he sucks If a woman leaves a man it's because he sucks.. Never heard that. It sucks being left. I suppose it depends on the reason. People can project their moral outrage onto that if they want but it doesn't change your right to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 03:18 PM
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So women are monolithic in the negative ways apart from when that argument is better at defending men. Gotcha.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 03:01 PM
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Women leaving men for better looking, stronger and richer partnes is natural by the same logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 02:58 PM
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He suggests that men are more monolithic in their opinions but then another says women have higher in group bias. Women being more supportive of one another doesn't translate to giving the wrong advice on purpose. That's a huge leap of logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 12:18 PM
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A man can invite you hoping for something more but still be happy that he got to spend more time with you and not have a single explicit expectation? But these are two different scenarios. They can't really be compared as the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 12:11 PM
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Inconsistent, for example, one woman says looks dont matter much and the other says the actually matter a lot. Something like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 12:09 PM
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Exactly. The general consensus by experts is neither sex is more intelligent overall. Even if you just look at IQ, it balances itself out at a population levek - but IQ is only one measure of intelligence and is also influenced by external factors. Also, you can get maths geniuses who have never had a date and dont know where to start. It is ridiculous to say an IQ test translates to success within every field and area of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 12:08 PM
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It could be many reasons. She could actual be sick She didnt want to go through with the date but didnt want to explicitly say so Something else came up Time keeping issues/stalling. I'm not a mind reader - no one is.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 12:06 PM
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A little bit. The goal posts keep getting moved. Women are too inconsistent Women have too much in group bias. Women are more different in what they like whereas men's is more universal. Depending on the topic women are a monolith or they're inconsistent and confused.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 11:56 AM
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No it isn't. The complaint from men is often women are inconsistent in what they want. You're just pulling anything from your belt to suggest it's because women's opinions are just naturally worse or something instead of accepting the contradiction.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 11:54 AM
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So your answer is because men are smarter than women? Ignoring there isn't just one type of intelligence nor is this actually considered the case among any reputable source. Nor is intelligence the number one marker for distributing dating advice. Looks like you just wanted to say something sexist to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 11:52 AM
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One man further up says women have higher in group bias and this suggests the opposite. I dont think men are more consistent as a group. I just think their interests were culturally centered for longer so it's easier to express across groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 11:50 AM
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Men do not claim they reject women's opinions due to in group bias though. Also you are boiling down one single and often disputed data point to make it applicable to this topic, which it is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 11:48 AM
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Great point. Hopefully you actually get answers of substance.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 11:37 AM
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Even if you could prove that Elizabeth II was actually in control of laws and jurisdiction (you can't) and not the male dominated government and legislators, it doesn't change every single other example of patriarchal societies being much more homophobic towards men, mainly due to it giving them the "ick" and perhaps fear of being assaulted by another man. I mean are you actually British? I am. So I know how little influence kings and queens have over actual policy and democracy. They're sworn t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 09:44 AM
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So "don't worry because men have low standards", isn't very flattering. Also it depends on the person, obviously.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 08:23 AM
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Queen Elizabeth had no say in law. Nor did Victoria. Government and parliament was already set in place by then to deal with that. Are you actually serious? Women are more homophobic despite men making homosexuality in men punishable by death for millenia all around the globe because Alan Turing got sentence by a male police force, under a male jurisdiction, under a male government but Queen Elizabeth II was on the throne? ARE YOU SAYING THESE WORDS?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 07:55 AM
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Only because women initially reject like on the street, doesn't mean it isn't nerve wracking to be rejected once you invested your time in something or put yourself out there. And stop portraying men as so desperate and shallow that women can just be as boring, dumb, annoying etc and stupid as she wants because all men care about is a warm body or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 07:51 AM
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Gay men have hugely specific "tribes" which function like gender roles do for women (shock, both are created by men). Hyper masc straight-acting dudes are in the highest demand. It's sort of flipped to how straight men feel they're disadvantaged. The masculine ones are the most sought after.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 10:19 PM
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Yeah because men react more strongly with contempt for gay men and they were the ones in power.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 10:07 PM
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We get nervous too. Fear of embarrassing ourselves, fear of not looking pretty enough, fear of scaring the other off, fear of being put in awkward situations etc
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 11:34 AM
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Okay. Let me reword then. I force it too on the individuals who feel that way too, regardless of gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 11:09 PM
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Never said they were to blame but maybe don't get caught up in only forcing the self reflection and analysis on one side.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 10:58 PM
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The 80/20 rule is usually a generalisation about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 08:46 PM
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Women aren't either but you told them to check themselves. So why not do the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 06:34 PM
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Yeah same come be said for women and I said the same could be said for men. It's a two way street.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 06:34 PM
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but I think the important part is just questioning why so much of the sex you are supposedly attracted to is unattractive. I dont just think women should be questioning this. I think men should be questioning why they've made themselves so unattractive as a group to the opposite sex (if I grant you that premise) or ignored the importance of it for so long whilst aggressively sexualizing women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 05:26 PM
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Well you didn't respond to any of my comments so I thought I'd remind you that everyone sees right through you, even if you are now just hiding behind any comment that reaffirms you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 03:24 PM
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But a group of women (not all of them but the most vocal) in the age range discussed absolutely lose their shit on me and - immediately - start shaming me for not committing to one of their amazing sisterhood women who has so much to offer. How do you know anyone's age range on here? And no, they're calling you out because of how transparent and loaded your motives are. You're not as smooth as you seem to think, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 03:17 PM
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It is. Some men seem obsessed with this and trying to prove it and it's really weird tbf.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 02:50 PM
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Why do you think this is all women want? I dont get it. It's the biggest projection I continuously see among so-called pilled men and it just blows my mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 07:10 AM
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So obvious. Does he know how obvious it is or does he not care as long as he can get his desired narrative out there? That's the only question. Kind of creepy how much some men fantasise about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 07:03 AM
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Yeah, it's clearly a narrative push about all else.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 06:35 AM
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I'm not quite sold on your intentions here, I think you're trying to push a narrative through the guise of "concern" - but like with anything, It depends on the person. I was WAY more miserable at 20 than I am at 31 even though I probably forced myself to smile and act happy at 20 more so.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 02:51 AM
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I dont think that is conditioning as much as it is just how society is now, economically and structurally. We dont start work at the local factory at 18 and marry to the church boy down the road anymore. Its a different world which requires different navigation. The structure is way more of a topic here than the conditioning, i would say.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 02:31 AM
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Is there even any societal messaging telling us not to have kids? Or is saying they can choose and just many chose not to? And yeah people can regret decisions later in life, sometimes merely for FOMO and if they actually went back in time they wouldn't really do anything differently. Like I could say if I was twenty again I would adopt a goth aesthetic and move to China (example) but if i were physically back in that 20 year old body and in the same environment I was, I probably would have my r…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 02:24 AM
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It's usually one of three; Biology More malleable/easily impressed Older women damaged and bitter So yeah, pretty much every woman that's spent any time on here would have absolutely anticipated that reasoning.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 02:17 AM
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I think you're infantilising women to suggest they just didn't think about for 30+ years because society told them they could have careers. I mean, come on. It's more likely timing issues, finances, not meeting the right person. If a woman wants a baby that badly she will make it happen. If it doesn't matter that much she won't prioritise it. It's a simple as that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 02:12 AM
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Women past a certain age are damaged and emotionally crushed?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 02:00 AM
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Not really - being told that being self sufficient is a good thing. Which it is, quite obviously. No one wants to be dependent and at the mercy of others. If women's urge to have children were as strong as the red pill suggested. A couple of generations of encouraging them to self actualize wouldn't trump it. The issue is it isn't as strong as they seem to want it to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 02:00 AM
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"I don't date women that age but not for the reason women here would think" proceeds to immediately list the reason women here would think you'd say I've not seen what you're speaking about tbf. It's funny how only men seem to know of women like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 01:49 AM
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There's an initial arc but it doesn't mean they're in the same category. I can't claim heat resistant ability or a degree in the theory of biological combustion because I dipped my hand into boiling water for 0.5 seconds whilst wearing oven gloves.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 02:49 AM
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If all you care about is "getting chicks" (I'm guessing for short term). That doesn't really say much. You're not trying to understand, you're trying to "conquer" using social tactics. If you aim is just to "get chicks" without understanding them, obtaining actual raw female desire or really giving much of a toss about anything outside of gaining a notch and avoiding jail time then we're arguing different things. The guys I know that get chicks AND have good relationships with them are never red…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 01:16 AM
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You're doing it again. "Its not that womens advice is bad, its just all advice is bad and contradictory." You are evading the point and thus deflecting. Not outright agreeing with your reductive and absolutist statement on women's advice isn't deflection. It's nuance and honesty on my part. Ah so "its not women give bad advice, its just men get confused by women's good advice because women don't care about looks the way men do..." No lol. Stop strawmanning me. I'm not downplaying looks as import…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 11:31 PM
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I didn't read it all but I did scan and it's more than likely the standard "male primate reproductive strategy makes more sense to me as a male primate so any society that doesn't revolve around it and privilege it at the expense of others is bad and evil" Bonus points for the false equivalence of "any action by a woman I don't like is rabid toxic feminism in action".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 06:22 PM
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So your response is "its not that womens advice is bad, its just that all advice is bad..." Thats just dodging accountability by deflecting. Not exactly. Just advice from people is just less reliable compared to learning through general cultural absorption. It will always seem inconsistent and contradictory because individuals aren't representative of huge chunks of the population. Do you agree that womens "advice" is bad because it is mostly virtue signalling, and "idealistic poetry," rather th…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 05:58 PM
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Good for you. All I'll say is don't rule out the opportunity to move laterally while you work your way up.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 05:18 PM
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Only because I didn't directly try to hamfist obligatory answers into it, it doesn't mean there isn't truth or a point in there.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 05:06 PM
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I disagree still. There may be a grain of truth in it somewhere but something that understood at a fundamental level wouldn't exist within an otherwise completely distorted idea space. They can be found anywhere. Mind you, most of what I've seen of red pill (Rollo Tomassi, Fresh and Fit, various podcasts) is that it is a conservative and patriarchal belief system at it's foundation. They look down on women and resent that they even having to obtain their desire in the first place - that's why th…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 04:31 PM
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Okay sure, but the rest if my comment still stands. Even if you could prove to me it "worked" initially through using various social tactics I still dispute the longterm effectiveness, the positive impact and the actual understanding of what women want at a fundamental level beyond getting a notch on your belt.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 04:16 PM
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So, anecdotal. Gotcha. Well, even if I take your word for it, I don't think the idea is entirely unfeasible. If the goal is to exploit current social dynamics to leverage power in your favour or strong arm and manipulate women, for example. I don't know how sustainable that would be though. I don't think it is something that fixes, truly understands or positive effects male-female dynamics at a core level however. Not by a long shot.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 04:06 PM
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According to who?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 04:02 PM
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Not what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 04:01 PM
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Advice in general doesn't work because people are individuals, not hiveminds. The way we learn about the world in general is through osmosis. As the culture has been so titled toward male perspectives for so long women know what men want more than vice versa and it will remain that way unless culture actually changes from the top down for a consistent enough amount of time to be absorbed through incoming generations.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 03:29 PM
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Why would they if they're against it? Why would they if they think the right to vote is simply a human right of an adult within a democracy? Why not just oppose war and the draft in the first place? Plenty of democratic societies do not list this as a requirement and particularly a requirement to vote.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 11:12 PM
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That isn't misandry, particular "on this sub".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 02:22 PM
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When do women ever say this ever? And that anyone who disagrees is bitter and jealous?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 08:56 PM
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I disagreed with the premise that women of women being constantly attracted to "superficially confident big/tall guys <-- that premise. Not the comparison part. I said he was free to feel how he wished however.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 04:33 PM
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Where did I imply it was?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 04:27 PM
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Okay then? I mean I disagree with the premise but you can feel however you wish.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 04:16 PM
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Women (of all ages mind you, I see more younger women speaking out about this) actually just find it fundamentally dehumanising and completely counter to female sexuality which is more romantic and interpersonal. We aren’t gorillas, choosing someone primarily based on some surface level evolutionary drive just seems so unsexy, unflattering, objectifying and antisocial on a human level.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 04:09 PM
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There are some men that genuinely hold all these contradicting views. Like the Fresh and Fit guys, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 01:27 AM
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Why doesn’t society “allow this”? Men have controlled society for centuries, they could have made it so but no - because they had the power they decided they shouldn’t have to waste time beautifying themselves because they could just coerce women into relationships for said woman’s own survival. As if you made that into a woe-is-men argument, geez louise, lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 11:26 AM
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Back to OP we go. Men's ideas of attractiveness don't often correspond with women's. If you think this is anywhere near to the sexualization women get then you're off your rocker.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 04:02 AM
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Last 5 centuries at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 03:50 AM
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Because men have not been socialised to exude sex appeal or beauty since ancient Greece. Apparently that's women's fault I'll bet. Not thousands of years of patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 03:49 AM
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Pornhub does that yearly marketing campaign of "statistics" that frames women as being lesbians because - shock - the site is marketed to men and is focused on women (apart from the gay male section which they don't include in their main "stats" weirdly 🤔 🥱). I'm sick of explaining this to men that have brought into their own porn's commercial propaganda.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 03:46 AM
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So you're just going to skip over everything I've said to parrot your preconceived deterministic view on women that absolves yourself, culture and society of self reflection or questioning? Oh, and the porn-brained "women are all lesbians" is a nice bonus.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 03:25 AM
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"Looksmaxxing" for men is a relatively new thing. Women have been "looksmaxxing" for generations at this point and we got our ideas of what was attractive by listening to men since they ran society. Men get their ideas from also listening to other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 03:08 AM
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Because straight men have an idea of what is attractive different than straight women? And are therefore both more likely to embody it and show recognition toward it? Just like how women notice nice nails on a woman whereas men don't see or care?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 03:00 AM
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Male sexuality is over exposed culturally and lacks the same humanistic interpersonal values more common in the more demisexual female sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 11:24 AM
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Overexposed sure, sensory and low interpersonal and emotional aspects fi it, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:35 AM
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Could you give me some examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 10:35 PM
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How many women actually genuinely say this? And not just in anger?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 09:03 PM
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Beauty is coded female culturally due to patriarchy. You reap what you sow.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 10:10 AM
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That isn't population representative. I was speaking in terms of broad averages.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 06:31 PM
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Can you explain how that refutes the whole example? Also, what specific example are you referring to?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 03:24 PM
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Women don't view male porn in the same way men do. Don't believe any marketing campaign from a pornsite that says any differently. Yeah, men like archetypes and familiarity to some extent, also the "attainable" image, but will absolutely tear Riley Reid to shreds in the next breath. Women very rarely hate on men they find attractive in the same way, because they need a certain level of narrative emotional attachment and respect for them to even feel attraction. You don't get women saying "I watc…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 02:45 PM
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Women's "porn" and sexuality is heavily narrative depended. The narrative surronding it needs to have meaning just beyond the sex itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 02:09 PM
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Not in the same way as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 02:08 PM
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They don't value the disconnected animalistic sex represented in men's porn. Sex has to mean something.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 12:19 AM
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No one is "ideal" but there's better matches than others. Actually finding the right person is pretty damn hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 12:18 AM
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Women like sex just in a different way.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 12:17 AM
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There's a difference but they're still far from ideal.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 11:09 PM
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That's why I say "the right woman". If someone likes you for you, some statistic on paper with no moral consequence wouldn't be a deal breaker. People need to stop thinking about how they're going to attract everyone and how they're going to attract the right one for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 01:37 AM
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Women actually look in the mirror and question whether they're hot enough to get a reaction from themselves to gauge whether the people they date will. Men seem to think "ewwww men gross and stinky" and then wonder why women aren't attracted to them either.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 02:44 PM
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Feminists often talk about the female gaze. It's just media is still male dominated and women have been sexually repressed for so long they're still trying to figure out what that would look like. It will never land as hard as the male gaze because when that was constructed men made like 100% of all staff in media production. Women will never have that monopoly even with egalitarianism.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 08:27 AM
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You mean he wants women to have men's sexuality. If women had men's sexuality, they would never date men. Be the person you'd want to date. If you find you and other men "gross", that's your first issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 08:23 AM
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Men's issues aren't taken seriously even if they fit the same description. For example systemic male genital mutilation. We even have tons of women supporting this and having it done to their kids, or demanding mutilated boyfriends only because they find it more aesthetically pleasing that way, and with less sensation these men last more in bed apparently giving women more sexual pleasure. Really? This? I don't know any progressive woman that supports it. I disagree with it. It's a religious cus…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 10:53 PM
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Maybe because the things women advocate for are moral inadequacies in law that can be defended rationally. What are you advocating for?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 09:59 PM
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"It changed fast for thing that benefited women". You mean laws and liberation. That isn't culture though is it. It is freedom to react to and play to culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 09:45 PM
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Culture doesn't change as fast as you'd like. The modern era you've talking about is like from the 1990s at the earliest. You're feeling the sting of generations and centuries before you.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 09:07 PM
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Men created this problem though by oversexualizing women and undersexualizing themselves. Coding beauty female culturally while calling themselves "gross" and ignoring any self care beyond the bare minimum or representation as beautiful or sexy on art since maybe Michalangelo's time.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 05:07 PM
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I think the point was that his example was so hyper specific and unsubstantiated.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 01:27 AM
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No, it's fine IMO. My little sister just turned 28 and is a virgin. My husband had sex with one person before I met him (he was 29) as long as you don't make it your whole personality or project outward insecurity about it, the right person won't mind and casual partners probably won't even know. A true "red flag" is something that is morally reprehensible, suggests bad character or abusive behavior. Something that being a virgin doesn't conclude on it's own in any, way, shape or form unless you…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 01:16 AM
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"Ask any left leaning woman that posts woke stuff on Instagram and watches Hasan Piker" Great supporting evidence there.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 09:55 AM
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Look, it isn't going to happen. In the past, women took care of the home at the expense of have being able to have financial freedom. In a capitalist system, where money equals autonomy and power, this left women at a huge objective disadvantage. You can't just ignore that part when considering this topic because it is a huge barrier surronding the moral and functional reality. If we entirely ignore the moral implications - this same capitalist system, that requires constant growth and competiti…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 12:39 AM
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Reread what I said. Regardless of whether you think that, this post did nothing to prove that as these specific dynamics were coerced and forced by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 07:43 AM
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This isn't naturally though. This is by force and societal coercion therefore it is a terrible example.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 08:43 PM
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Why everyone has to always say "yes it's submissive but that isn't bad". Why does everyone need to assure everyone that submission isn't bad? It isn't just you who gave that clarifier in this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 08:43 PM
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Why does submission always have to be qualified as "not bad", I wonder?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 04:40 PM
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Cock and balls. Nothing else.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 12:11 AM
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Not porn on pornhub unless they're with a partner, supporting a fellow pornstar or checking out what men are into.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 11:56 AM
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They watch it at some point in their life due to how widespread and culturally relevant it is. It doesn't means they get what men do out of it. I'm not letting you hamfist your male perspective onto women. Your premise is flawed and I'm not playing along.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 10:51 AM
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You mean rich men historically have disenfranchised other men and forced women into relationships with them, which women played along with for survival?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 10:09 AM
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There is no visual pornography that has actually successfully catered to women. There isn't the money put into it nor a good enough understanding of female sexuality by men to produce it. I already told you to stop trying to judge women by male porn preferences. Just like how you brushed off erotica written by women because you don't understand it, you can't hamfist the reverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 10:06 AM
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Written erotic by women is either hetero or gay male. Lesbian only makes up a small percentage. And its narrative based and romantic with themes like love, obsession, power dynamics, soul mates etc. Sex has to mean something. Men have to actual be attractive and not disconnected dicks or self inserts for the male viewer.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 09:15 AM
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Nothing on a male pornsite. Despite what they tell you. Women find it gross and shallow. Just like you probably find written erotica by women boring and incomprehensible.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 09:12 AM
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Nothing on a male pornsite.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 09:03 AM
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Wouldn't say "oppressed" but we still do live in softcore patriarchy, by the definition of the term.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 01:11 AM
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Answered both of those. Pornhub "statistics" are a marketing campaign that are blatantly misrepresented for the reasons I explained to appeal to their core audience. Askwomen isn't data but I told you how women go along with this either as a commentary of how bad male oriented porn, to gas up the female performers or because they take this bad so called "data" at face value like you and try to articulate why it may be a thing. This is such a porn-brained take. Men need to realize that women don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 11:27 PM
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If there was a true patriarchy, women would have never been allowed to have one. That in and of itself proves there is no patriarchy. That doesn't make sense. Past oppression isn't just erased the moment a right is granted lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 10:54 PM
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Look at the French revolution.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 10:47 PM
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The idea that women watch a lot of lesbian porn is a myth perputatued by male porn sites like pornhub because they lump lesbian in with the straight demographic stats and not gay male. Giving the impression that women uniquely watch lesbian porn when gay porn would rank high in the men's viewership category too if they included it (gay/lesbian are huge umbrella categories compared to smaller sub categories like big tits or bdsm that probably make up a percent each of the overall rankings). It's …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 10:26 PM
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Yes, not a matriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 05:53 PM
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Saying women are "dumb broads" is much more loaded than saying "a patriarchal society seems to lead men to not understand women very well". Do you not understand the difference here?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 08:32 PM
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I never said you. I said "men" struggle to understand this on a societal level. This is nowhere near claiming men are children. It is an attack on the dominant system which has led men to misunderstand women so much, a misunderstanding that creates a lot of damage in the lives of us all.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 08:23 PM
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You could say everyone considers women more beautiful due to culture pushing that narrative. But i dont even fully buy this as i think your premise is entirely flawed. But men and women's porn is different. If you try to judge women by male porn and sexuality, you're going to end to confused, but you won't have figured out female sexuality by the end of it. In the reverse, and using your same logic, you could argue on the flip side that men are more romantically attracted to men despite being vi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 07:00 PM
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I didn't insult you. I insulted the system that created this.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 06:54 PM
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Men project their sexuality rather than internalising sexuality like women have. Its mostly due to men controlling the societal and culturally narrative. It will adapt as more women contribute to culture and have a voice and as more men learn to internalise female preferences without first asserting their own biases.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 06:52 PM
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I'm not trying to insult you. I'm just amazed at how much men have been socialised to see male as default that they try and judge women by those principles then seem so damn confused.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 06:46 PM
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Hahaha oh give me a break - video format porn found on pornsites isn't even by women or for women so I don't know why you're wracking your brain about it so much. We don't view it in the same way men do. You're starting your argument from the wrong entry point to begin with. Look at fanfiction and erotic novels. Most of those written by women and are usually straight or about two men. This is like men saying they prefer to read the gay novels over the straight ones written by women if they had t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 06:44 PM
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No, when one woman says saying and the other, because she is a different person entirely, does her own thing and you interpret that thing as bad because it doesn't involve you and you are mad there's no magic trick into getting any girl you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 03:04 PM
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If a woman was truly straight she could easily find a male porn star to watch that she was attracted to. Even if they were visually attractive, their entire presentation and demeanor is not made to appeal to women. Its made to not threaten men or to be a self insert. Anyway video format porn found on pornsites isn't even by women or for women so I don't know why you're wracking your brain about it so much. We don't view it in the same way men do. You're starting from the wrong line to begin with…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 02:42 PM
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Sexuality in general is stupid and complicated. Men have been taught to he more black and white but go to ancient Greece or male prisons and this all changes. Oh and - "Why do some straight men have sex with other men"' https://news.ubc.ca/2021/03/why-do-some-straight-men-have-sex-with-other-men/ The reason you call it stupid is because you're used to seeing male as default to everything, so anything outside of you limited perspective sounds like an aberration. Men are not as straight as they cl…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 02:36 PM
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Gay men have chosen to be gay despite all this propaganda and have to prove they're actually gay in order to be accepted so they go hard in the opposite direction and dig their heels in when they are asked. And it isn't all women who think like what you said. It's probably just some who are effected and their conscious mind hasn't overriden what's going on. However, you do find gay men more interested in women's bodies than lesbians are with men's, don't you?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 11:35 AM
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There ya go. Proving my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 11:31 AM
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And whenever there is a rare voice of reason telling men what women really find attractive, you all do your best to shout them down. You mean someone who is affirming your biases?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 11:31 AM
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You hear more complaining these days due to globalisation, the internet and social media. Simple as that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 09:01 AM
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They don't try and understand. They project like mad and ignore women and call them liars if it doesn't meet their preconceived notions.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 08:52 AM
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There you go. You're doing it. Men are not socialised to be attractive or exude sex appeal at a fundamental level. Even men call themselves "gross" but are shocked when women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 08:49 AM
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Yes I understand them and this is the recoil of issues feminists have been complaining about for decades such as the oversexualization of women. Women are the "prize" and their wants and desires are not considered or met because men have not been socialised to meet them. It's a double edged sword and unless you consider both these sides you're just going to be arguing with yourself and blaming it all on the opposite sex to satisfy your need to absolve yourself and make sense of things you don't …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 08:44 AM
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Hey I checked it out. I do think women are socialised to experience more fluidity than men to some extent but it is social more than biological. Beauty and sex appeal is coded a female trait in our society. I think men are equally likely to experience more fluidity under the right circumstances (take the ancient Greeks and in prison populations). Although I do believe the extent is both overstated and infact even encouraged by society for women. This is an example how oversexualizing of women ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 07:59 AM
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No one is 100% straight. Men of the past (and still to this day unconciously) know this. That's why the amplified the beauty and sex appeal of women until those traits became synonymous with the female sex and completely desexualized men to the point they consider men "gross"(being gay being a "sin" and all according to their religious doctrines). They just didn't bank on this persistent cultural narrative effecting women's psyche. Or didn't care until this point and now are all confused and stu…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 06:48 AM
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Yeah it's hard for you to understand because you don't live in a society where the reverse is true and men are considered the beautiful/sexy ones by default. If you lived in ancient Greece, you'd probably view things completely differently. You might view fluidity of sexuality as weird or hard to understand but I'd say rigidity of sexuality is just as strange and unnatural, to be fair. I think no one is 100% straight. And entirely a construct of the society and environment in which you live. Tak…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 06:25 AM
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They're more likely to associate women with sex and sexiness since our society does but find the idea of engaging themselves sexually or romantically as unappealing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 06:22 AM
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To deny this is akin to denying the sky is blue, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 12:24 AM
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A thread on Reddit isn't much evidence. But I'd wager the psychology behind it may be that women have been objectified and sexualised so much culturally that it effects the way they view themselves and other women - and that they are more likely to see women in a sexual light despite not actually being attracted to them. Men on the other hand, for the last few centuries (separate from ancient Greece and Rome), have be taught to view homosexuality in any form as unmasculine. Which is crazy. What …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 12:00 AM
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Sure it is 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 08:18 PM
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"You've read many accounts" is anecdotal. I have seen women who don't realize how ridiculously flawed those stupid commerical "pornhub analytics' are try to tie themselves in knots trying to justify it why it might be a thing, which is always funny. It isn't just men that get duped by it's inaccuracy and biased framing. But women who claim they watch it are - wait for it - not actually as "straight' as they claim It's a well-observed phenomenon that women are more attracted to women than men are…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 06:14 PM
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That was my example. If women didn't comform to male expectations historically, they'd be risking their survival and well-being.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 05:58 PM
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Getting severely injured and incapacitated, depending on where is hit. Even in the arm would make someone back off.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 05:57 PM
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When have women ever taken men's preferences into account? When they were forced to under patriarchy and we are all a product of our recent history. First man looks deformed. I don't even think a woman with a deformed skull would he attractive to men either.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 05:55 PM
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You try to wrestle with a gun, you get shot.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 05:50 PM
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Along with chimpanzees. Who are patriarchal and have a closer strength and weight dimorpism to the one humans have. Bonobos are generally more gracile and their dimorphism isn't as significant. You're reaching now. We share 98.8% DNA with both and I know which one I'd rather live in - they one that has basically no lethal violence amongst them (bonobo chimps). The time after women getting a right to choose and before the introduction of instruments that expanded their dating pool/increased expos…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 05:49 PM
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Thing is, men do "looksmaxxing" but base it off their own perspective if attractiveness and hypermasculinity, not women's preferences. Women have been socialised for generations to fit into the male gaze perspective of beauty. Beauty has been coded feminine in the west by the same systematic biases.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 05:47 PM
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What about a gun man vs unarmed and unprepared civilians, which are what most mass shootings are?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 05:38 PM
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You're taking the piss at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 05:21 PM
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He has a point when he says women aren't attracted to men. The most popular category of pornography for women is lesbian. People say that's because the attention is on women and not men like in most other categories... fine, but it still proves an important point. In no situation would your average man EVER watch gay porn, even if it was all that existed. Because straight men are deeply attracted to women, and that's what they're there for. I don't have to time to respond to all of this but this…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 05:15 PM
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Coming close still isn't the same thing as all the presidents up to this point being male. Majority of directors, produces, judges, governors, CEOs being male. Please look af the big picture. You cannot deny men still hold most positions of power and therefore we live in a structural definitional patriarchy. And if every single leader became a woman tomorrow it wouldn't be a patriarchy but it would be a new and very rare phenomenon it long history of patriarchy so it would be very strange and so…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 04:12 PM
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No. I was talking about mass shootings comment he made making no sense, if you read back.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 04:08 PM
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Doesn't require notable physical strength over the other to use.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 03:52 PM
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Are you being serious here? Women are too weak to use guns?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 03:51 PM
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My point was about targeting based on sex and gender. Not general bad things people do.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 03:50 PM
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Entirely subjective and manmade btw. By human nature women would be submitting to men, like in all other species with similar dimorphism (where males are much bigger, heavier, stronger and more capable). "Equality" requires an unnatural system, full of unnatural efforts and punishments in order to keep men from forcing their will on women. No it wouldn't. Our closest genetic ancestors (along with chimpanzees) are bonobo chimps and they are matriarchal. And with bonobos, the males are physically …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 03:47 PM
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You realize that makes no sense, yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 03:45 PM
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It's not that deep lmao, most of the time it's just another thing that takes accountability off of women. Also it's a pretty popular belief in older generations(45y.o.+) as well and these men still have wives and love them. Maybe those men aren't the ones that think that or the women are hoodwinked into believing it themselves. Also this isn't an individual man issue. It's an issue used to systematically hold women back and disenfranchise them. Women who aren't educated for example would both be…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 03:28 PM
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Guns equalised the playing field yet men still commit a considerably amount more gun violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 03:12 PM
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What about mass shootings?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 03:10 PM
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So the only thing stopping women from commiting mass shootings is their physicality?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 03:10 PM
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So many people here don't understand the definition of the word patriarchy and its getting annoying. It doesn't mean "men have it easier", it means a system where men hold most of the positions of power.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 02:55 PM
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Men are in power as they started in earlier times when situation was different. And that's how patriarchy persists. Whether you believe this version of patriarchy favours men or not it doesn't change that it is a patriarchy definitionally and that is bound to come with innate biases and blindspots despite these efforts (and potentially overcorrections) to ensure otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 02:39 PM
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Patriarchy isn't a myth. It is a society run primarily by men. Not every single man but where men occupy the majority of positions of power.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 02:24 PM
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Internet is a large place, but most public platforms ban such men on sight. But not women. Not from what I've seen. All of this misogynist rhetoric is all over tiktok, YouTube, X etc. I see it all the time. No. As example, the right to vote for president in the US is not and never has been universal, is directly enjoyed ONLY by 538 persons, and is denied entirely to citizens of territories (despite their MEN being subject to draft). Thus, women's constant whining that they couldn't even vote doe…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 02:20 PM
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So does misogyny. Yes, we know patriarchy harms men too. The difference is the most pernicious examples of both come from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 02:02 PM
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"Kill all women", "all women are disgusting", "all mothers are disgusting child abusers", ... "woohoo women are going extinct, finally, mother nature knows best!!!" - I forgive you if you aren't aware, but all of these are gender-swapped somewhat paraphrased actual viral social media posts, comments, and snippets of op-eds made in the last 10-15 years. Someone gave this content its hundreds of thousands of reposts and likes. And it were not men. Yes, simular hateful rhetoric by men is found all …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 02:00 PM
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You did nothing to dispute it and neither has anyone else in this thread. OP point directly suggests this is what women are doing that is so terrible and unjust.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 01:34 PM
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Actually it was society correctly regulating womans sexual instincts which are inherently hypergamic, leading to the unbalanced sexual market place we see today. What does that mean? Men oversexualizing women and disregarding their mate choice is correct? According to who? You and your dick? Your emotions? There is no amount of "effort" that will make the average man attractive to the average women, because women biologically always want "better" where as males are attracted to and appreciate a …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 01:31 PM
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Hahahaha it's another "Misandry is just a response to thousands of years of misogyny!!!!!!" type of bullshit. Misandrist women were born in the easiest time for women in history, History should never just be forgotten. History is an important teacher than prevents humans from making the same mistakes and makes us aware of a social-psychological blindspots. Also history still influences societies even today. We are a product of the and a lot of are attitudes and systems were inherited from them. …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 01:26 PM
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I did. I directly addressed the part where you claimed feminists were responsible for this. You didn't prove it was feminists nor address how this could have anything to do with gender expectations or the people who actually write the laws and make the rulings.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 01:05 PM
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That isn't direct proof of misandry at all? Not to mention is it proof of misandry perputatued by women. You could ignore any family court bias is based on outdated gender expectations of patriarchy. Most judges are men. Also family courts give 50-50 custody most of the time. They majority are settled outside of court. So, when misandrist policies, created by feminists, are corrected to make them fair, male suicide drops by 9%. But… feminists won’t allow this to even be discussed, let alone roll…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 12:56 PM
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Men are more likely to be victims of all sorts of violence besides sexual (ironically because of how much more female bodies are valued by men, compared to how much male bodies are valued by women). It's not an issue with hate towards some gender but a result of the natural advantage men have in strength over women, and socialization that leads to men being more prone to use strength to achieve any goal, not necessarily to assault a woman. actively conspire against their human rights and have de…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 12:45 PM
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Misogyny is punished because it is much more likely to lead to actual murder and forcible oppression of women. How is that hard to understand?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 12:34 PM
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But someone saying that women are dumber and less capable doesn't mean that they hate them lol. Yes it does. And it is a more pernicious form of hate as it is directly devaluing women to justify their active mistreatment and loss of freedom and rights. This is a far worse form of hate than simply ignoring someone. What part of that is hard to understand? Would you rather be beaten up everyday and forced to give you lunch money to the school bully or simply ignored by them?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 12:31 PM
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Quote the part to me where they directly prove this. Indeed - misandry is far more deadly. You haven't price that it is misandry yet but my response would be to take it up with the patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 12:22 PM
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The only reason they're even saying this is because women refuse to give these to them voluntarily. They don't hate women the same way misandrists hate men. Maybe the misandrists hate men because men hate women for not conforming to their expectations of sex and servitude and have allowed a violent patriarchy to persist for centuries based at least partly on this fact?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 12:03 PM
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1) Ignoring something is not the same as actively causing or doing it 2) You'd have to prove their ideologies are actively causing men to die at work and commit suicide. Like, men were most likely to die at war prior to women having rights. You can blame misandry for that but it was in a system set up by men. So that would he misandry perputatued by other men. Even if you could prove that was the motive it still isn't anywhere close to being like femicide where it is men actively and directly ki…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 11:52 AM
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No, it doesn't. Femicide is the direct killing of women by men, or women being murdered for being women. That posts points of male suicide, workplace death etc. That isn't the same thing at all. Not saying it isn't sad or an issue but it clearly isn't the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 11:37 AM
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Feminists have no problem with bisexual men? Uh no they don't? Unless you're talking about how some straight women say they won't date bi men? Which is apparently comparable to rape, pedophilia, murder and forcibly removing someone's human rights? Do you guys HEAR yourselves?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 11:32 AM
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Femicide is much more common. What are you on about? Please come back to reality, not feelings and what is said on reddit. You guys have to be taking the piss here. No way you actually believe what you are writing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 11:28 AM
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Most misogynists don't hate women but they're more likely to murder, sexual assault them and actively conspire against their human rights and have deprived them human rights historically and globally? Attraction combined with hatred seems far, far more dangerous. Not to mention that I don't even agree with your premise of women not being attracted to me. Obviously. Because it is stupid. They're just not attracted to every man The worst the average woman does is ignore men. Absolutely insane post…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 11:23 AM
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The data is biased in it's presentation. That's why we got this "(straight) women like lesbian porn" myth to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 06:03 PM
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The idea that women watch a lot of lesbian porn is a myth perpetuated by male-directed pornsites like pornhub by the way they present their data. They lump lesbian stuff in with the "straight" category but completely separate the gay male content in the stats. If gay male was included it would appear many men watched gay porn too due to the breadth and size of the category vs smaller subcategories like ebony or bdsm.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 06:01 PM
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What studies show married women are happier? Could you direct them to me? But my main issue with study is that it could have an effect on impressionable young people and I think it will lead to more isolation and loneliness in our society. I'm worried about people being told to do things to serve the agenda of those posting and distributing these so-called studies. It happens on both sides. It's up to everyone themselves to decide what will make them happy and that generally is by gravitating to…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 09:22 AM
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Unless you list what should be taught, we cannot identify the utility.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 09:12 PM
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-childless single women are the happiest demographic I take that one with a pinch of salt because I believe that was an opinion piece. I think happiness is up to the individual. I think that was to counteract the miserable cat lady trope which is equally unsubstantiated. -about 30% of men would rape a women if they had the chance to do so without consequence Not heard that one before but it wouldn't completely surprise me given our evolutionary past. Since I've not heard it though I can say for …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 03:50 PM
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I didn't read all that so correct me if I am wrong, but I'm going to assume it is a complaint that some social science data can be somewhat unreliable. That isn't unique to feminism nor a debunking of the moral idea of feminism. Nor does it dispute other data based arguments from feminists such as the issue of male violence and sexual exploitation and assault. Feminism as a moral concept remains rational and logical regardless of what individual feminists do or don't do.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 03:21 PM
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Indeed they do. That's the power of cultural influence. The capitalist system we live under was developed under patriarchy. Young actresses and models were exploited at a time where men made up entire industries at management level. This set a precedent for the young women of the world who grew up seeing what the system valued and wanted them for and what got them ahead.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 11:44 AM
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Although lasting cultural impressions persist in our collective psyche.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 04:55 PM
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I mean it originated through patriarchy, not that you created it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 08:24 AM
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Men didn't have to worry about all that under patriarchy. They set up a system where women's mate choice didn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 08:23 AM
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Difference is men objectified themselves as all those things under patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 01:40 AM
3

Having sex with men can be seen as traditionally masculine if you top.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 09:19 PM
2

Nice fanfiction you wrote there. You're way overthinking this. Have you done the same for black and lgbtq equal rights movements yet?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 08:28 PM
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Um? Why would he be angry about that? Are you angry when you hear that your male friends are having sex too?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 02:17 PM
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I think they mean overly bulky gym bro meatheads. Not muscular definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 10:28 PM
1

Yes. If we look at the bonobo model they have way more sex than in standard patriarchal primate societies
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 04:43 PM
1

Who says we need those relationships in private residences? That wasn't always a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 01:25 PM
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With bonobos, they form all female coalitions to stomp out any individual male aggression. It could work but it would require systematic set up. Say women controlled all firearms, systematic power and used that systematic power to culturally enforce strong female bonds and fractured male ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 11:44 PM
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I'm not pro sex work despite being blue pill. I'm not against it entirely, but think it should be something we as a society step away from.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 03:38 PM
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That's not how debate works. You make a claim, you have the burden of proof, else it is nothing more than statement from ignorance. I'll spare the details of the evaluation of the moral and ethical implications of your words and how you may playing the system against yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 10:06 PM
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You made the claim, burden of proof is on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 09:31 PM
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Any data or just your feels (patriarchal socialization)?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 09:26 PM
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That's the issue. Some men think their view on sex is the only valid definition of sex and, when criticised, means feminists are against all sex lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 05:29 PM
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Raised religious and a massive introvert. With the introversion being the biggest factor imo. She is left/Liberal btw, although not extremely political. She has a distant desire but it is by not means a priority.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 03:37 PM
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No he is 100% right. You are just blind to your own social engineering. Some people are.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 05:20 AM
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My little sister is 27, a virgin and pretty.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 05:16 AM
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Depends on what the standards are and how much you think women should be expected to abide by them (like thinking women should be punished or have their right revoked for not meeting them).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 01:07 AM
0

You can absolutely find beauty where there wasn't before by love alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 08:07 AM
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Women often need a story behind all visuals to hit go. The less visually appealing, the stronger the story needs to be. Not entirely mental when you think about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 09:34 PM
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Women's preferences are culturally undefined. That's why.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 09:33 PM
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My interpretation is it's more about entitlement over women's bodies and how they should be portrayed. This can be gratuitous male gaze in media or telling women they should cover up and wear a full Burqa. It's more systematic than strictly an individual problem and a by product of male dominated societies.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 06:48 PM
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100% he does. He is very humanistic. He reads hearts, not numbers. And his strength and confidence in his insight trumps any fear and desire to control others' journey in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 11:28 AM
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I had a hoe phase but now very happily married and happy in life with everything. I've met women who never had one and are single at 30+. Blows your mind, doesn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 11:08 PM
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Without friends. My husband is my best friend and I'm a huge introvert that doesn't require many friends and have three sisters that could fill that gap anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 05:50 PM
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Men and women are different and all that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 06:47 AM
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You guys are so black and white. Don't you know there are women in the middle? With feminist values but also value a traditional dynamic for themselves. Why can you guys never see shade of grey? There's positives and negatives to both. Why should feminism collectively cater to your radical view of facial inadequacy and what would you want them to do about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 12:11 AM
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The stories aren't about "gay men", they're about men being gay together.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 04:34 PM
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Because he asked and I'm a nice person.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 05:00 PM
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Yeah but it is men that are perpetrating the violence. That's the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 03:55 AM
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When the argument is made that men are becoming isolated, I feel a pang of sorrow. The second violence comes up in a way that sounds to be almost preemptively justifying it, then the argument loses credibility in my eyes and I don't think I'm alone Thing is though, just from you own post, this isn't all women though, is it? You said yourself that you do not want to date a woman your age with a different lifestyle experience. Women might not be compromising but the same men saying this aren't eit…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 04:21 PM
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Your conclusion is the question of whether men will get violent followed by "interesting times ahead" (strange follow up but I think I get the vibe you were going for).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 04:05 PM
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Oh yay another "date men or they'll get violent" passive threat with the added "interesting times" clarification ("I'm not bothered about this at all. This is nothing but theatre to me!! is his secret revenge fastasy I'll being sipping a latte during the revolution! Don't shoot the messenger")
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 03:53 PM
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Factually incorrect.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 10:08 PM
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Glad you think so.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 10:06 PM
1

Doesn't change the definition of patriarchy by saying men suffered under it too.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/25 10:06 PM
1

It is still men at the top and no women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 10:29 PM
1

So red pill is bogus because they weren't alive for the evolutionary cycle they speak of?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 10:28 PM
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It also had female monarchs going back at least to the roman invasion 2,000 years ago...” Women were barred from the throne until the 16th century when Mary 1 took rulership. Even so, most government systems around those women were still male led.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 05:11 PM
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Yeah, those are both subjective distinctions. We as a society agree that controlling men is totally acceptable now. And that controlling women is no longer. Because we arbitrarily and axiomatically just claim that violence is the threshold breaker. You honestly think controlling violence and murder via law is restricting men in the same way stopping women from working and choosing their own partners is? Really? How is that arbitrary? No because that’s false. 99.99999999% of men have also been ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 05:09 PM
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Yes it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 05:05 PM
1

Nope. Look then both up.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 01:42 PM
1

Look up the definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 01:40 PM
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No. The definition of patriarchy is "a system where men hold most power and women are largely excluded from it" That's literally the definition. It doesn't matter if it is only some men. What matters is that it is mostly men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 01:39 PM
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We'd see it in the percentage of power distribution and within the laws.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 01:38 PM
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Implementing control on violence against others is completely different from controlling their free will. Do you understand? We have laws against assault and murder but not whether someone can work or chose their own partner lol. Again, that's monolithing men... it doesn't make sense to all men. Not all men argue in favour of it. Yes men who are anti-patriarchy. No, that's factually false. Read literally any feminist papers and they will highlight how mothers also enforced these standards on dau…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 01:32 PM
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So controls on men are justified, but controls on women are oppression? Never once said that. But control on male aggression benefits everyone. Hence why patriarchy sort to enforce that. How so? Men never voted on it as a collective… you’re engaged in an apex fallacy… Yet men today still argue for it since it makes sense to them evolutionarily. It wasn't collectively men, no. However the enforces were in fact all men. How so? That’s an assertion without explanation or evidence The fact that wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 08:53 AM
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Only because patriarchy has some rules limiting behaviours to restore order and to limit male aggression. It doesn't make it anywhere near flawless and not first and foremost at the behest of men and their desires/reproductive incentives or that it wasn't much more strictly enforced on women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 08:46 AM
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Only because patriarchy has some rules limiting behaviours to restore order and to limit male aggression. It doesn't make it anywhere near flawless and not first and foremost at the behest of men and their desires or that it wasn't much more strictly enforced on women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 08:46 AM
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I said millenia. My grandmother and great grandmother are the only generations included in that. But of course some of our not to distant ancestors were in unhappy marriages.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 08:35 AM
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The definition of patriarchy is that men hold the majority of institutional and hard power. The fact that is can negatively effect men too does not disprove this fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 08:33 AM
1

Testosterone increases aggression. That is a fact. 95% of all violent crimes globally are committed by men. That is a fact. Don't know what else to tell ya.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 08:32 AM
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Patriarchy for centuries sent predominantly men to war, it was still patriarchy since men were overwhelmingly the hoarders and enforcers of power (the definition).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 08:30 AM
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Proof?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 08:28 AM
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No patriarchy isn't why men prefer virgins. That's an evolutionary male mate guarding strategy. Patriarchy is enforcement of purity culture to the extent it dehumanises women and controls what they can and cannot do.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 08:27 AM
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Not true. If you look at our evolutionary ancestors chimps (patriarchal) vs bonobos (matriarchal), you will see the outstanding differences anthropologists and evolutionists have discovered. Women are naturally less violent and more communal. That's why the world always gets healthier and safer with women's rights (the west vs Africa and the Middle East, for example)
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 10:12 PM
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Ignored? As in forced in to marriage and treated as spoils if war?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 10:09 PM
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They make blanket statements about the patriarchy which is completely valid and affects men too. If you're not a man singing the praises of the patriarchy then you shouldn't be offended.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 09:38 PM
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Yes women are but are, from an evolutionary perspective, much less violent and more collaborative. Most evil women committed historically was under the pressure of an overriding patriarchy where brutality was necessary. Men can absolutely be moral. The men that ensure their complete dominance at the expense of others are not those men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 09:37 PM
2

Yawn. Is that really your argument? Being scare of foreigners?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 08:22 PM
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No no no. Men had to defensive because divide and conquer was the nature of the male primate. You don't reap benefits for a system you controled and upheld. Prove you are overgrown children with your obsessive jealously, greed and demand for inequality and to see yourself as above others in order to feel secure. It's day one in the grand scheme of things, and many are not handling it well.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 08:15 PM
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This is an argument from young anxious men for generations. They automatically equate any actions they don't like from women as being the result of feminists when they're just individuals being individuals. If women having more freedom means they do more things you as men don't like, that's just a natural result. "Feminists" aren't a hivemind. They're various individuals and groups of people with their own interpretation of the idea of achieving equality. I agree with some and disagree with othe…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 07:45 PM
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Maybe they do. Have you spoken to every feminist on earth? Feminism is an idea, be and of itself. Individual actions however, are individual actions, and you don't get to just use them selectively to cement your own confirmation biases without more perceptive people noticing what you are doing. Do agree with the definition of feminism or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 07:33 PM
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I'm not asking for respect, but understanding for women who have been kept in a box of expectations for millenia not immediately helping you figure everything out the minute they actually get agency to think for themselves without consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 07:30 PM
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Yet most red pill is based on evo-pysch. But I cannot use it as a counter? No... humanity just popped into existence 80 years ago with literally no existing history or attitudes...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 07:28 PM
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A millenia of history has a significant effect on the present
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 07:27 PM
-11

What if that idea was projected onto us and we are wrestling with that and what is ultimately true
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 07:26 PM
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In this thread you blame feminists as a collective for having beliefs or doing actions you don't like without any proof that the same feminists hold those contrasting views. You equate women doing annoying things automatically with feminism. That is your first issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 05:14 PM
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Or women haven't been afford the some freedom to express their tastes over the last millenia and have instead been told by men via cultural and society at large what to think and feel. Sorry if we're still new to this.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 05:07 PM
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Society was built by men and media from the last century has largely been produced by men. Women couldn't chose their partners until the last 50-80 years or exercise agency in dating and marriage. Don't blame this cultural attitude all on them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 05:06 PM
1

Everyone wants to be sexy. But do not relate or feel comfortable having an opposing sexual perspective imposed on them, especially against their consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 04:56 PM
1

Statistics please?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 10:27 AM
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It's just funny how you focus on what she has given you before her personal characteristics is all. Like she literally could be anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 07:50 PM
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So it is just a material thing that she gave you?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 07:12 PM
1

"Niceness" isn't the only emotion.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 07:58 AM
0

Options isn't everything. In fact, too much attention can lead to choice paralysis. Men don't come with an alarm on them that rings when they're a good guy who is compatible with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 07:55 AM
1

Right?!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 02:51 PM
2

Understanding the male psyche isn't the same as always knowing the ever-adapting manipulation tactics to get in their pants, particularly when young. And women generally are pretty good at having caution towards this as well, hence why they're criticised for being stand-off ish in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 05:13 AM
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That's sort of different. They're decent at attracting men and understanding the general male desires. Not necessarily seeing through lies or manipulation, especially when young.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 05:07 AM
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Women are slightly better at understanding men since patriarchy floods culture, art and media with male perspectives. Women have seen men's inner most thoughts and desires for centuries.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 08:10 PM
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Based on feelings does not equal attractiveness based on "niceness". What a terribly reductionist view on the idea of emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 05:20 PM
6

Yes it is. You don't decide who you are attracted to based on logic. It is based on feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 05:04 PM
6

All attraction is emotional.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 04:56 PM
6

What study?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 09:20 AM
2

Are you a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 08:24 AM
1

No? Explain.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/25 08:24 AM
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Men mock ugly women way more than the reverse, if you've ever been on the Internet lol. They just have lower standards for sex due to their drives.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 08:15 AM
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Men generally follow the same archetypes. That's why we have a this thing called conventionally attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 07:52 AM
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300k is apparently low to this bloke lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 07:25 AM
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You can't just cherrypick a few out of context clips from a few evo-pysche attempts and call that evidence. This is the issue with people these days. They begin with a conclusion and they go out to build "evidence" by collaging soundbites from various psuedo-scientific and theoretical books and papers. Ridiculous
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 07:15 AM
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Men feel love but have to be attracted to the woman too, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 07:14 AM
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Wow, a guy on this subreddit that actually understands women. A rare find.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 07:09 AM
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Sexualization can be OK. HIGHLY DISPROPORTIONATE sexualization of one sex can be an issue because; 1) It effects how women view themselves and their role in society. Encouraging them to even self sexualized or develop body dismorphia which can lead to eating disorders and unnecessary surgeries. 2) It can alienate potential female fans from a hobby, decreasing the opportunity for girls to experience a variety of art and see themselves as being welcome in certain fields when they're older. 3) It c…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 09:24 AM
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Sexualization of women in pre-2010s film, TV and video games was utterly ridiculous though and totally one-sided. The entire industry was pretty much exclusively ran by men and women had every right to call it out. I actually think the oversexualization of women is one of the reasons men struggle so much with dating these days. They've totally, culturally, elevated women's sex appeal whilst completely negating their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 05:37 PM
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No, we are creeped out by desperation, entitlement and the general misogyny of the involuntary celibate community, of which it is known for.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 02:47 PM
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In the realm of sexuality, wanting partners to avoid mimicry/manipulation/inauthenticity is basically about wanting your partners to not misrepresent their actual genetic qualities. You really think that and not they just want someone honest and comfortable in their own skin? Why would someone, in the sexual/relationship arena, recoil against inauthenticity and manipulation? Why wouldn't they? I argue there's a valid evolutionary-psychology reason. Not something women should be punished for. Rat…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 01:43 PM
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Yes you did. You suggested it was discrimination based on men for their natural state - a common incel argument. I suggested in could more so be a recoil against inauthenticity and manipulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 12:36 PM
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Or they want people to be themselves and not manipulate them?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 09:16 AM
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This isn't about being overweight. This is about being attractive to women. Why would women not want men to be attractive to them?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 03:58 PM
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Lol India, the country ranked 131st out of 148 countries on gender equality and consistently ranks as one of the rape capitals of the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 07:40 AM
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Women have progressed and built society throughout the entire scope of history. Died, suffered, built and bled for it. This argument spoon-fed to you by one of your red pill overlords is nothing but ragebait to stroke your ego and make you devalue women collectively.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 07:29 AM
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Dude, you're obsessed. All of your posts are copypastas of this one BS argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 07:26 AM
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Just saying it is common among manosphrians so it's nice to see a guy around here who says otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 10:59 PM
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Oh, a guy on here admitting that social norms play a role in behavior instead of just evolutionary biology. It's funny how often the goal posts are moved on where one ends and the other begins and when we should consider one and not the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 04:45 AM
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It doesn't. It's theoretical at best and self-confirming. If it was factual it wouldn't be called red pill. It would just be called science.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 04:42 AM
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You said red pill treats women as human. To do so, you need not of an entire ideology. Human biology should be enough for you to make a distinction and the rest should just be normal human interaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 09:41 PM
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Nah it's about saying women are bitches and it isn't your fault and giving you the OK to be a prick to them. It's comforting and appealing to men that have struggled with women in the past, hence why it is so sellable. That's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 06:29 PM
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Treating them like human beings is the opposite of red pill. They treat then so much like an alien species that they have a whole ideology and playbook around othering them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 06:27 PM
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Not it doesn't. It allows you to say "oh they're just bitches, its not your fault". Two very different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 01:41 PM
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Because red pillers seem to know the least about women and be the most angry at them from my almost 10 years of studying and interacting with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 01:40 PM
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Actions speak louder than words.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 09:06 AM
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I understand red pill well. Having been interacting with them and their beliefs for almost a decade.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 08:54 AM
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It also made me understand and accept women more. Doesn't sound very red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 08:36 AM
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Value brought to the system? Well, women do most caring roles, produce less emissions and commit far less crime. Zero argument, just empty shaming tactics and appeals to emotion Nope, the entire psychological underpinning to your argument more like lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 03:37 AM
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You sound very far gone on the bullshit radicalisation metre but if any portion of the population disappeared the species would either have to adjust or die out. The latter being likely if that portion is the entirety of the other sex. Look, this argument (which I've heard before) reeks of insecurity and feeling unneeded by women so feeling the need to collectively bash them down to elevate your own ego. You don't need to do this, you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 08:18 PM
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As women gain more power and influence, human rights, social services and healthcare tend to improve... your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 06:04 PM
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This is outright false. Nursing can be dirty and dangerous. Factory work can be dirty and dangerous. Child and elder care can be dirty and dangerous. Sex work can be dirty and dangerous. Motherhood can be dirty and dangerous. Heck, even 20-25% of the military is female and up to 30% of law enforcement. If women stepped out of their current roles, millions sre people would be at risk and the system would suffer massively. You have to be completely off your rocker to even being to consider otherwi…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 06:03 PM
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Useless jobs Like nurses, teachers, doctors, child and elder carers and around 50% of factory workers?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 01:00 PM
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I agree everyone should be treat with respect but that doesn't mean targeted gendered violence is permissible. Especially when what is considered "respect" can differ immensely among men immersed in online misogynistic communities.
/r/MensRights28/06/25 08:57 AM
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Welcome to the club. Women have been listening to man talk and not liking it got centuries lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 05:24 AM
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I think gen Z are more so, more independent and less positive about age gaps. But that annoys people too so 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 02:02 PM
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Wait a minute, when do I get to play games? I did not really get to start dating, did not get to explore and to find what I like and don't like, because I was never good enough yet. This attitude in OP just creates a viscous cycle though. If men are going to say they prefer to use young women for their youthful looks and innocence and then toss them to one side then young women will often play the game just as hard and resort to this "I got mine" attitude. Another point is that young women are j…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 01:46 PM
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Men say this shit and then wonder why young women have this "I got mine" attitude towards them in reverse. Plus the Niagara Falls analogy sucks. Some people travel a lot as children with their families and some adults barely have at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 01:42 PM
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Yeah... everything is in men's hands and women are just objects. But try to suggest we're living in a patriarchy and the same men claiming this have fits...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 11:14 PM
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I'm a woman who likes twinks but I'm also partial to a masculine 25-35 year old masculine man (like my husband aha).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 04:45 PM
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A LOT of feminists are anti-sex work. What are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 07:24 PM
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Forgot to mention that those stories were also written by other men
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 03:25 PM
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Men who can't get sex aren't seen as ugly, their entilement/creepiness/obsession/cynicism/misogyny, if they exhibit it however, is.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 09:26 PM
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The age range has to cut off somewhere, no? How are they defining "young people"?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 03:37 PM
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What is "young"? 18-30? In that case, many 27-30 year old women could be dating outside of the range while still dating with the standard 2.3 years. Also 2.3 is the average but there are extremes, there's more women that date older than men that do, even if they're atypical, they're still significant enough to skew the statistics enough that you'd end up with the discrepancies you are speaking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 03:26 PM
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Because the novels involve actually context rather than just plain sex. Women want to know why they're having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 02:20 PM
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I mean duh. I'm surprised there's any women left on this sub, I've just been in this space too long that I've because a bit desensitised to it, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 10:14 PM
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Yes it is. It portrays sex in an animalistic way and removes all humanity and context which appeals more to men. The people featured in the videos are catered to men's visual preferences and most focus on the women, unless it is the gay section, then it focuses on the men, but again aimed at men I know when you're so used to something it can just seem like the natural default but the sex industry was created by and for men by a society where men's thoughts and opinions were implemented as the cu…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 09:59 PM
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Not porn, erotica or fanfic is usually what does it. It's my life goal to make a business catered towards women's sexuality in the same way porn caters to men's.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 10:48 AM
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Male porn seems shallow and emotional to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 09:42 PM
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Red pillers will get mad at this even though it is basically their ideology in reverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 09:08 PM
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I alway thought objectification referred to the film theory that highlights how a lot female characters written by men tend to centred around their bodies and attractiveness to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 05:04 PM
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Well no as women are individual, not a hivemind and may not even recognise or understand their attraction to felon, if they are indeed attracted to one, nor may it be BECAUSE they're a felon.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 01:43 PM
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I'm a young millennial on the cusp of gen Z with many gen Z girlfriends.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 06:57 AM
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Nor women in Tik Tok. I actually know real life young women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 06:57 AM
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Why so mad, bro? Yes money and status can attract women who are willing to compromise in other traits. But attract isn't the same as keep. Also, I find younger women tend to be into looks and their immediate social circle more so than other demographics.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 08:56 PM
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Dumb coping. Gen Z women are way more intolerant of age gaps than boomer women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 07:49 PM
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Okay that was a bit of a tonal shift. I'm sorry if I upswt tou I just clicked your profile idly and that post was the first thing I saw and it softened me and made me want to see that you were okay, life can be hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 02:05 PM
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Neither do you since according to your profile you're from Nigeria. BTW I hope you are feel better these days than you did, genuinely.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 07:46 AM
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I've driven vans and I'm European so I drive stick unlike your typical American. Sure, trucks are bigger and parking must be a bitch but the actual driving is pretty straight forward.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 11:01 PM
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The truck drivers aren't usually the loaders and the loaders use machinery. Yes the drives are long and that's why they have rest stops. The actual act of driving isn't physically demanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 10:55 PM
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Truck driving isn't physically demanding. The comment said dangerous AND physically demanding. Why are you ignoring this?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 10:25 PM
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Those so called "dangerous" jobs you speak of are relatively rare compared to men that work in tech or at warehouses and the female coded jobs mentioned. Nursing and cleaning are physically demanding, I believe nursing is the profession with the highest reports of back issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 08:00 PM
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Because it's too over exposed and emphasised culturally to the point it gets tiring and feels dehumanising to the subject (women).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 07:58 PM
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I said they were more physically demanding and dangerous than a lot of male dominated jobs like tech, director, producer, camera man or advertising executive, among others. Which is true. Don't twist my words. I know you highlighted teaching as if the very thought is laughable but I think being a secondary school teacher is one of the hardest jobs in the fricken world, especially dangerous if you live in the States.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 02:48 PM
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No true. Nursing, teaching, cleaning and motherhood is more physically and dangeous than many male oriented careers that pay more such as anything on a computer.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 08:37 AM
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That was an explanation for you, not a reaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 08:26 AM
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Because that's rarely "applauded" but more often used to dismiss women from public life and call them emotional and therefore devoid of logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 11:05 PM
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You would if she was a virgin for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 05:43 PM
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Disagree with what?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 01:13 PM
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Anti-equality or neutral?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 09:20 PM
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Myron Gaines, that you?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 08:45 PM
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They don't in general kill others, they kill themselves. You
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 02:00 AM
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1) Not every single one is listed in that article alone. 2) Even so, that page lists ten in the last decade. 3) You claimed it wasn't a thing, gonna at least admit your were wrong? 4) Only 15 acts of misogynistic terrorism is "Not a big deal" - so, I guess we should just ignore it then?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 01:48 AM
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Wow, dude: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogynist_terrorism
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 01:38 AM
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Why are you on this subreddit then? Go to a MGTOW board.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 01:35 AM
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No. It's about women being at risk of violence. Yes, that is more important than men's feelings being hurt.
/r/MensRights31/03/25 06:37 PM
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What the fuck, you're really justifying murder because you "don't feel loved". That's a shitty excuse. The takeaway is to stop boys harming girls because innocent girls being actually physically harmed is more serious than your nebulous idea of "society" not appreciating you enough, somehow.
/r/MensRights23/03/25 09:25 PM
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Our past patriarchal leaders used to enforce monogamy despite having access to all of society's women. Many broke the vows obviously but some genuinely lived by them. They put unlimited privilege aside for the sake of loyalty and stability. Society was to some extent built on collective consideration. Unfortunately it's going the way of the dinosaur. Not really. Patriarchal leaders enforced monogamy for the low classes for religious reasons or to incentivise other men. It wasn't merely a selfles…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 12:19 AM
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Do you have any proof of that? Gay men dating culture is different from heterosexual. They're very open to hook ups and casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 08:56 AM
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I did. The top posts are always criticisms of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 07:02 AM
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Are you kidding? 90% of the posts here are men complaining about women, anything that so much as hints at a critique of men gets downvoted into oblivion. It's a fact this sub is male dominated and red pill leaning. A woman echoing their talking points back at them always does well on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 03:53 AM
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You're disputing the fact that gay men often have open relationships and marriages?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 03:52 AM
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Maybe yeah but also when gay men do get married, they often have open marriages, so there's less need to divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 03:24 AM
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To he fair, lesbians marry a lot more than gay men, I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 03:12 AM
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What are you talking about. It's a standard PPD post.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 03:10 AM
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I just think what women like is still more literary and context dependent too so it will likely never sound as straightforward as the overtly visual and sensual male preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 05:54 PM
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The culturally and psychological effects of oppression do not disappear over night hence the world "repression" - it runs deep as is generational, just like the effects of patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 08:26 AM
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True, that can happen. However, in a broader sense and, how it is typically known, would be the definition of intending to decieve. I think a better description would be "women today; even after how far we've come, experience so much cognitive dissonance and confusion surrounding their preferences". I would agree with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/25 02:20 AM
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Lying usually does impy a conscious act.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 11:20 PM
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I've said it again and I'll say it before; historical sexual repression of women has led them to be less intune with their baseline desires compared to men - this is not the same as them actively and maliciously lying about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 09:46 PM
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That's why it isn't the "truth" but a convinient ideology to elevate men above women. Similar to religion - there's so many parallels it's uncanny and is something men have been doing for millenia.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 09:31 PM
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That's why it it the "truth" but a convinient ideology to elevate men above women. Similar to religion - there's so many parallels it's uncanny and is something men have been doing for millenia.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 06:50 PM
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Feminism is an academic theory of social science. White nationalism isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 12:00 PM
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Some might now, but them being baked into culture definitely has roots back to more patriarchal times where it was on women to attract men way more than the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 12:48 AM
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Maybe it feels like that, because women's "self improvement" has been baked into culture for generations that it doesn't even register as improvement anymore but as a natural extension of womanhood (beauty, fashion, body ideals, feminine mannerism etc). Basically, women's expectations for attractiveness have already been constructed around a male gaze, culturally. You may find these days women don't have to try as much and men need to try more and that can seem unfair in the immediate sense, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 10:34 PM
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PUAhate, as its name implies was entirely about shitting on PUA’s and “dating coach” types which, back then, RedPill was considered a part of. So, he was aware of TRP but rejected it (likely because it didn't work). Elliot Rodger did actually try to date before falling down the black pill rabbit hole.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 10:27 PM
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I'm almost certain Elliot Rodger was exposed to red pill ideas. He was very active online and frequented boards like bodybuilding.com which parroted a lot of red pill rhetoric. If I, a woman, who is the same age of him was very well aware of TRP back then, I find it hard to believe that he wasn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 10:12 PM
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Their ideas about gender dynamics and evolutionary psychology. They're cherry picked, interpreted through a subjective lense and full of confirmation biases.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 10:06 PM
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Feminism is a social science theory and real world activism toward gender equality in a world that has historically and globally subjugated women. The red pill is an ideology reinforcing patriarchal gender roles, that is, I think, trying to fill the gap religion left.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 08:58 PM
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Not a chance would any decent father have told you the shit Fresh and Fit and Andrew Tate have said.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 08:53 PM
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Red pill isn't reality. It's confirmation biases of angry men's opinions propped up by cherry picked data points and anecdotes. It works for you because it allows you to vent and blame women for your problems and tells you there's a secret hack towards success, which is comforting for an emotionally stunted mind. If you really needed misogynistic grifters to tell you that if she doesn't reciprocate she likely isn't magically going to change her mind or that you don't have to marry a single mothe…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 08:51 PM
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Yeah, "fuck us", and only us. She is right.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 10:46 AM
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Women are not wealth, goods and services. Completely different thing. 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 10:39 AM
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Also, the women in their 20s exercise well-founded caution in not committing to a man too early, lest they make a mistake in marrying someone who is abusive, lazy, or immoral. This reduces the pool of men that actually do want to marry them. When religion was stronger, men feared the wrath of God, and that kept many men away from vices such as drinking, gambling, lechery, sloth. Uh, I think it's less that and more they don't want to make the mistake of marrying someone they're incompatible with …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 10:33 AM
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Short, small PP, virgin, neckbeard, broke, dusty, fat, bald, etc Those are more so digs at what they know you care about more do than things they actively do. Then again, "not caring about looks" as a priority doesn't automatically follow someone wanting someone ugly and gross lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 04:12 AM
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Women seem to be very self-aware of their sexual preferences when it comes time to insult people on the internet. What do you mean by this? Logically, they are always aware of their preferences. I think you misunderstand the term "logically". Attraction isn't even a logical thing lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 12:28 AM
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I don't think men's sexuality wasn't ever repressed but the male perspective was sort of the overarching societal default for hundreds of years and women was sort of forced to adapt to that circumstance. Women nowadays are trying to forge out their own path - distinct of prior systems and it isn't so straightforward since deeply ingrained cultural ideas don't disappear overnight. I think your assumption that women are just virtue signalling over my contribution isn't any more logical, more so it…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 12:09 AM
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I think women's sexuality has been more repressed than men's culturally and historically on a macro scale, so women are less in tune to their baseline desires than men. I don't think they're trying to actively decieve, but trying to explore and explain in a way many men deem as too indirect.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 11:37 PM
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I think what women mean by that is they don't go only for looks. Which is kinda true. Women are visual but not in the same way men are. It isn't primal and all encompassing and is usually more holistic. Most women cannot get aroused by the sole image of an attractive man without added context but a man being attractive certainly helps in the equation. Then again, I often ponder how much is social and how much is biological.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 08:49 PM
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I think it depends on the age and personality type of the women you are speaking to.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 08:48 PM
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Women's preference have been stifled and repressed by society for so long that women are sometimes not entirely sure what their preferences are completely and each individual woman is held up as a representative to an ever impatient male demographic which makes it a stressful and overwhelming experience in general
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/25 06:54 PM
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I'm not sure that's entirely true though because younger people now have higher divorce rates and it's widely considered because younger people change so much and grow out of relationships. The reason it "worked" in the past, I think, is because divorce was more frowned upon, not because people were marrying younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 11:37 PM
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The fact that you think they're happy hearing men being lonely because it will benefit them strategically suggests a much more actively calculated perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 11:35 PM
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So do you think if women married younger then dead bedrooms and divorce rate would be lower or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 11:01 PM
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I think you're overestimating how deeply women are thinking about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 10:52 PM
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I don't think it is women doing that independently, more so that transitioning from traditional ideals to equality takes time and people in general get inundated with conflicting ideas through their lives since the past and present exist simultaneously and influences one another in terms of societal outlook and perspective. We are not robots and completely resistant to these external influences. Most of us have dreams and ideals that exist alongside the practical, materially present realities an…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 09:32 PM
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Why is it empathy from women in particular that you want? If it's general loneliness then it's something everyone ought to have empathy for, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 01:22 AM
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Plenty of red pill say have a main girl for family and have side girls too.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 10:05 PM
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Oh sorry. They're temporary? Because I've heard red pillers say they're best for marrying and having kids with.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 01:14 PM
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Statistically they're much more likely to fail long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 12:53 PM
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Uh, what? Where did you get that?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 04:51 AM
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No one is 100% rational, 100% emotional though and I disagree that emotions are irrational for the very reason that they're a fundamental part of human decision making, therefore it would be irrational to disregard that entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 03:43 AM
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Yeah that's why it is important to understand what people actually mean when they say "feelings based".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 06:08 PM
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Depends what area of academia we're talking about. I've already spoke about how facts can be used disingenuously and cherry picked to present harmful worldviews. Since, as the article suggests, women dominant the arts and humanities where the discussion is more philosophical and theory-based, I think it's valid to question that method of doing just that. If it was a science like physics or a mechanical field, I doubt there is the same threat of so-called facts having an impact on real life peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 04:45 PM
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I think it is an interesting question. Does academia have an active Liberal bias or does high education just naturally lead people to adopt a more Liberal perspective? I don't know the answer to that but it always pops into my head whenever someone mentions that. I'd also like to make another point about "facts". Because facts are something that can be very easily misused. People can cherry pick all kinds of facts and frankenstein them together to present whatever worldview they want, in my opin…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 03:07 PM
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Who gets to decide what is best for human well being? That is a philosophical debate just like the question of unchecked freedom of speech. Neither are factual entities you can look at under a microscope in order to tell if they are "right" or "wrong". Opposing the consensual publication of knowledge with subjective, opaque reasoning is a core element of fascism btw. You’d get along with schools banning CRT books because “well it just isn’t right “ There you go. That's how philosophical ideas ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 02:34 PM
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The underlying concept that someone’s emotional response shouldn’t take priority over open exchange of ideas … that doesn’t seem less levered to feelings? Unquestioned freedom of speech isn't necessarily the quickest way to advance ideas. Unchecked freedom of speech can also lead to societal harm and the spread of misinformation. The other points are stronger too. Particularly that women ranked advancing knowledge beneath protecting emotional wellbeing lol Why is that "lol"? Do you really think …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 02:09 PM
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Yeah but being more emotionally driven doesn't automatically mean irrational. It's a preference that means you prefer to use emotions, value compassion or to adopt a person-centered approach over just facts on their own. This isn't a bad thing. A list of facts on their own without context do not provide the whole picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 01:29 PM
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I think what she meant is people can see themselves in those people so feel more inspired that they themselves are more capable of achieving. I think this has been well studied.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 10:49 AM
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People really misunderstand the terms "facts" and "feelings". They seem to think facts are simple indisputable universal truths (no, facts can change with more context and evidence. Any scientist would tell you that) and feelings are pissbaby tantrums that mean absolutely nothing. Truth is, both are incredibly important pieces of information, especially towards the structuring and development of our species. We need people to think and see beyond concrete "facts" and what is immediately tangible…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 10:37 AM
1

You can just assume that is the sole cause, particularly when you take into account how deeply embedded these are structurally nor are all those things determined merely by having an exceptionally high IQ.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 06:04 PM
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0 and 1 are rare and correlation isn't causation. We don't know if them being virgins or only having one partner was the cause of the low divorce rate or if it was religious reasons or the people just got lucky and met "the one" early (high school sweethearts etc).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 03:35 PM
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Didn't that same chart show women with a body count of 2 were a higher divorce rate than women with a body count of 8?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 09:33 AM
1

I never once said women were exempt from perpetuating patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 09:50 PM
2

A different topic all together. But the reason women don't work in those fields is cultural and social too. Or based on physical limitations or assumptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 09:49 PM
2

I'm talking about how they still exist presently like men occupying more positions of power and influence and holding most wealth which is clearly due to patriarchy because we didn't start on a clean slate the minute we got equal rights, men already dominated wealth, power and influence. They were miles ahead in the race from the start.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 01:23 PM
1

It doesn't change the fact that it is still men holding these positions mostly.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 01:22 PM
3

Yeah but these statistical differences have tangible effects on our society. They're playing out right now. They aren't static ruins.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 09:51 AM
2

But the structures still exist, tangibly, to ignore it would be to ignore reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 09:45 AM
2

It's based on past structures favouring them because structures do not disappear over night or the moment you sign a piece of paper passing a law.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 09:40 AM
3

Yes but that's 67 out of 400 which is like 16%, which is a minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 09:26 AM
4

It may not be enforced, but it is structurally present. That's my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 09:25 AM
1

No?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 08:52 AM
7

It's, in my opinion, something to take into consideration. The system in place isn't a blank slate - male domination in these areas have been commonplace for generations and this, even unintentionally, breeds certain culture, attitudes and impacts socialisation. That sometimes justifies conversations as, if unchecked, there's a risk of these systems perpetuating themselves and can slow down or completely prohibit real, core change. But my opinion is separate to whether patriarchy in the west act…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 05:30 AM
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I think you guys fundamentally misunderstand what patriarchy means. I think you think it just means "women have it worse". It doesn't. The west is perhaps legally not a patriarchy but, structurally, it very much is as men hold most wealth, power and influence. Whether you think that is a good or bad thing or something we need to care about is beside the point. If men hold most hard power in society then it is structurally a patriarchy. That's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 03:32 AM
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The "women were happier" argument always gets me. If polls came out tomorrow that showed North Koreans were the happiest people on earth, would you suddenly want to revoke all your human rights and freedoms and move there?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 11:28 PM
1

Damn, where are the mods? This thread is a right circlejerk.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/25 10:18 AM
4

As a blue pill, I recognise human nature I just don't think it is as straightforward as TRP that tends to cherry pick what confirms their biases and ignore socialisation and individual differences for things like personality and preferences. That some guys are just born capable at getting women. Sure, but that's a combination of looks and extraversion more than anything. Oh and a big one is that passport broing works. I'm living proof of that. I don't think blue pill denies that it can work, jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 12:16 AM
8

I mean, I think you are right but what red pill ideas do you actually agree with then? You've pretty much deconstructed some very core beliefs in this answer alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 11:20 PM
4

I think you change the most from a teen to around 25. You change after that, sure, but you're overall much more stable and secure in who you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 02:08 AM
2

But those are important considerations It's not something you can "disagree" on. It's fact. I don't agree with someone getting half of someone's retirement but I've heard that happen to plenty of women too.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 12:52 AM
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1) Initiating divorce legally doesn't mean you ended the marriage. 2) Women fair worse economically after divorce. 3) You guys agree that the world has changed from. traditional dynamics yet act like all the assets are yours and she is just freeloading when chances are you both work now and contribute to these things equally yet "taking half" is apparently horrifying?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 12:21 AM
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The fact that people change so much is the reason the average age of marriage has increased from like 20 to 28. Much less likely to change drastically after 25. So I guess marriage has adapted to new circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 11:30 PM
2

No. Having sex is the basic drive. Having children is merely a consequence of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 10:29 PM
1

If women don't value reproducing as much as you like, you have to examine the reasons why rather than just getting angry about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 04:18 PM
2

Terrible? Or just personal preference? And how is it breaking anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 03:55 PM
2

Well obviously, for them, finding their perfect partner is more important to them than their biological clock or not being lonely.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 03:26 PM
2

I really don't think this is why society is "breaking". Most women that want to be in relationships, face reality sooner or later and make decisions based on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 02:27 PM
1

Male 18-37, any race, minimum height 5'5", minimum earnings $20,000, open to obese men.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 01:33 PM
2

I understand your frustrations but ragging on women for this doesn't seem to work. Dating is entirely optional, so this goes down as well as, I don't know, ragging on women for they weekly shopping list. It just illicits, "um, excuse me?" reactions. If women are delusional, they will have to eventually adjust if finding someone means that much to them. It will sort of deal with itself, in that regard, once reality hits.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 01:26 PM
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I got 18%. 3/5 cat litters on Future Cat Lady score. I'm already married though to someone that is actually above the level of expectations I was open to.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 01:18 PM
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Man (usually TRP): “this is how all women are! And it makes me angry because I feel rejected and denies me love which I desperately crave” Woman: “no, this is how all men are! And it makes me angry because I feel insecure about myself” What is this supposed to mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 01:10 PM
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1) I think "women are less visual" is an oversimplification. I think women are visual and being attractive certainly opens a door for men, but visuals alone aren't enough to ignite a fierce, lustful attraction, it's part of the overall equation. Female sexuality tends to be lot more holistic, it requires more context. If the context needs have been met, then women can find the mere visual image of a man irresistible. An evolutionary feature, most likely. 2) The word "emotional" gets misused so o…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 02:45 AM
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No but he was saying it like it was a trend among women, not just an example of a woman being shitty.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 10:20 PM
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Depends who you're talking about. Usually when you say "feminists" you're referring to something a woman said once that you didn't like.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 02:25 PM
3

Uh, this is a once-married man, why are you bringing to black pill into this?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 01:36 PM
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It’s very common for divorced women who divorced their boring husbands (with no abuse/cheating from husband involved) to date around for some time and later try to come back to their boring ex-husbands. Is it? I've never heard that once in my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 01:23 PM
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That societal and cultural customs do not change over night and that equality takes time and effort to achieve.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 01:21 PM
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I don't know. You guys though - you seem mad that feminism isn't immediately able to transform every deeply ingrained social and cultural custom overnight - when that's exactly what feminists have been saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 12:25 PM
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Yeah it comes from the "women and children" effect that had been around for generations prior. There have been a lot of Ukrainian women fighting though.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 10:29 AM
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It's the "women and children" effect. People are more likely to see women (and children) as non-aggressors, particularly in times of war. But I use to hang out some NSFL/Liveleak spaces on here and there was never any difference in reaction if the video had a male or female victim, so I think you're overblowing it a tad.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 10:16 AM
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I took it to the assumption that we were talking about the present day only though, or at least that's the frame I'm talking in. But yes, I agree with you on that historical take. Yeah but that effects our current culture and evolution, does it not? It did incense some former friends, from experience. I've also heard women complain that this is apparently akin to men 'only wanting to have sex with them,' which is reductionist of men's feelings as if we only think ever think of sex, and once agai…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 03:00 AM
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Romantic wasn't always positive. It was heavily regulated and a lot of times by coercion or force in our history. Does it incense the rejected friend? If you're honest about why then I'm sure most decent people will understand. I just block when I can't bring myself to give a reason (assuming we aren't close).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 01:48 AM
2

Sure but still. Anxious as you may be, it's still on you. If I don't apply for a job because I'm anxious, I can't then complain that I wasn't hired and then also blame the company because I chose to hang around the premises and they still haven't hired me even though I didn't suggest that I was interested. I agree with your points about making the first move and, in an effort to he true to my values, throughout my whole life, have initiated romantic relationships. If I was friends with a guy, it…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 01:45 AM
2

I was under the impression that friendship was a universally positive thing while romantic and sexual interest was much more personal so they were different things. I mean I've never heard someone be offended by someone trying to be their friend, like I have people being offended someone has tried to get in their pants.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 12:00 AM
2

Let me give you a tip; 95% of the time, if she is attracted to you or feels chemistry, it shouldn't take long for her to accept a date. If you've been "friends" months, chances are you are only friends. Unless you're ACTUALLY friends and feelings develop, this is almost always the case (almost).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/25 11:57 PM
2

No. You literally just block and move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/25 09:43 PM
1

Never said otherwise. But make your intentions known; you don't want to be friends if they're not interested romantically then you are done.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/25 09:43 PM
0

Never said otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/25 09:42 PM
3

Submissive or dominant depending on the context.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/25 09:41 PM
1

I see objectification as more of a media thing where women are overwhelmingly portrayed in a sexualized way from a male perspective. It seeps into culture as sort of an oversaturation of the male perspective, which can be exhausting. And yeah some women like the validation of being beautiful and the monetary rewards. Definitely isn't all women though nor is it the same as general objectification. In fact, it's probably just a symptom of women's sexualization and women's attempt to get something …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 07:48 PM
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My husband has a lot of acne scars and he is still gorgeous. They fade over time plus you don't have to he perfect. Do you have nice hair? Eyes? Dress well? Also some women do like the more rugged look so you can lean into that. Women aren't a monolith I was mainly rebuttaling the ideas red pill push that ignore how much women like pretty boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 03:47 AM
2

Then say.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 03:45 AM
8

I think talk about false rape accusations are a good thing. I just don't like how it is handled in a reactionary way and usually by anti-feminists - just as inconsistent as you're claiming women are being here. If these men dismiss feminists concerns about safety then you can't be annoyed that people are dismissing your reactionary concerns which are just as, if not more so, unlikely.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 12:46 AM
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Is it really so hard to accept that women want to be friends with men they aren't attracted to?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 12:44 AM
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Some examples; 1 2 3 4 I think as women get older they start to appreciate more masculine qualities, but I still think there's still a baseline "prettiness" they like in men that dudebro red pill communities completely ignores and disregard to hyper focus on masculine signifiers since a lot of the red pill is (imo) a thinly-veiled vanity project to make men feel powerful more so than to directly discover or explore what women want.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 11:39 PM
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Women like pretty boys a lot more than the red pill would like to admit. Super masc bros are more of a gay male thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 11:05 PM
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Well yeah. 1970s. These things are a constant battle of the actual cultural context you live in and trying to reach the idealistic one your striving for.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 01:13 AM
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Yeah, I would. Point #1 I find a ridiculous oversimplification and a very narrow perspective of what is going on. Do you guys ever stop and think that maybe young women are just less mature and have less life experience to pick good partners or spot red flags? I mean, I think most psychologists would agree that younger people have a tougher time navigating dating and relationships in a healthy way due to this reason. I don't know why that never gets considered by the red pill side. Humans are no…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 09:26 PM
4

The analogy is meant to describe that, while women have more options, their issues come with filtering those options due to a lot of men only wanting one thing, many men just swiping on every single woman for no actual reason, the unique safety concerns that comes with women dating and women's general sexuality which tends to be more holistic and big picture rather than just visual/primal. Discerning these things can be overwhelming and can take time, skill and experience, but you also have to d…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 08:32 AM
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It's an analogy that presupposes both are stranded with no supplies. It's meant to express the differences in experiences. Both can acquire resources and skills but these things take time and effort. You can make the case that is is then easier for women due to it being easier to find water at sea but there needs to be some consistency.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 08:13 AM
1

You'd be surprised how many women simply ' don't get it ' . Lol. Think it's the other way around, pal.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 07:45 PM
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Hey atleast women can learn distillation and desalination and get portable water from sea water That implies they have the equipment which isn't necessarily the case if you're stranded at sea.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 03:37 PM
1

But I want to say that even here, with salt water, you can do something Like what? Boil it?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 03:35 PM
9

Oh I wonder why. Nothing to do with men outright telling women they're visual and mainly care about looks and youth etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 02:25 PM
2

Yeah, to find someone they connect with, find attractive and will make a good partner for them. Something that cannot be decoded as a one size fits all for all women. That's why the manosphere is in an endless loop of cognitive dissonance.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 12:46 PM
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It's not that men don't treat women as people. It's that the elite, top tier men don't. Absolute lies. Have you ever gone on an incel forum lol. Even low value men don't see women as people. They see them as women, in a sense that they're a different species that should be either pedastalized, feared or despised.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 12:44 PM
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Plenty of men here are over that age. However, I would put women's elevated "SMV" down to more things than just the overvaluing of young, attractive women. I think media of the last 100 years has played a huge part of men laying their balls on the table and letting them be twisted. A negative side effect of patriarchy is that the overexposure of the male perspective and the ensuing oversexualization of women means they understand how to be attractive to you more than you do to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 08:12 PM
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Eh, my observations are a little different; they're less likely to classify attractive women as people - they classify young, attractive women as women/females, a sort of primate subspecies - that they view with both disdain and obsessive fixation. Unattractive women are just NPCs that blend into the background to make up the numbers of the human race lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 02:13 PM
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What women are you referring to? All women or just "prime meat" aged, attractive women? Because the red pill often claim men of all ages only want them and if you all chase after the same cohort of women then the market naturally adjusts and those women can raise their standards to, what you would consider, disproportionately high. Just the way it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 01:51 PM
1

Everyone needs solutions and to he heard. They aren't mutually exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 02:37 AM
4

What's the issue?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 06:27 AM
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That's where they get confused. They hold random women to the most radical feminist ideas they've ever heard on the Internet and get frustrated by the apparent contradiction, even though these are two different people saying these things. They also take these tiktoks way too serious. Some 21 year old drunk girls in Miami saying they only date rich men are a lot of the time just trying to be sassy and provocative because... they're young and drunk. That's what young, drunk people do lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 03:19 PM
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Those aren't representative at all. They're rage bait. And those women might be products of centuries and decades of social norms than actively trying to enforce them. Not every woman is an activist or super cognizant of progressive ideals. Edir: Downvotes with zero rebuttal. This sub is a joke sometimes with its lack of debate etiquette and red pill bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 02:45 PM
0

Do you have any proof of this or is it just your feelings?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 02:29 PM
5

Feminists don't believe in the hyper specific masculine/feminine gender expectation paradigm that pro-patriarchal and traditionalists believe and therefore do not believe men or women should be brow beaten by such expectations or efforts to "keep them in line". That help you understand?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 01:00 PM
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Femininity and womanhood aren't the same thing. And personally, I don't think there's anything "toxic" about a man being strong and keeping it together, or being taught to be that. Men take on the most responsibility, both in family life, and in the broader society. We've gotta be tough. You seem to be very pro patriarchal gender roles so I can understand how feminism confuses you merely by disagreeing with your hyper specific masculine/feminine paradigm applied based on sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 12:49 PM
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No, I'm not. I do not underestimate these aspects of the male pysche. I think, rather, you are underestimate the broader humanity of men and reducing them to a very surface level and theoretical version based on maybe your own opinion and the opinions of other men that you have sort out. I would never involve myself with those men, however. I want a deep, mutual love and a human with self respect, not a robot or a chimpanzee. I think most men with lived experience do fall closer to the former - …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 01:16 AM
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What current world standards? Women preferring there own age? Yes, if that changed and women magically started overwhelmingly preferring men much older than themselves, then maybe things would change. But barring that magically changing, it doesn't appear so - and barring men magically becoming robots that don't seek out women for more things than just how attractive they initially find them, that won't change either.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 12:50 AM
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Considering the fact that almost every study proves men find teens to early 20s most physically attractive? Like I said, those same studies show women consistently prefer their own age range. It takes two to tango. The study I think you're referring to also showed that, while men found women in their early twenties most attractive, they were most interested in women closer to their age. So these factors have already been considered. These comments scream theoretical mental masturbation and a tra…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 12:40 AM
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This is so fucking weird and dehumanising. Holding it against a woman for not being with you at 18-25, when she never met you and didn't know you and then judging her negatively for not "providing" you with her body during that time frame as if she has the same reductive opinion as you on these things and wasn't just living her life based in her immediate surrondings and trying to find her place in the world. It's just so freaking odd, objectifying and full of so many strange assumptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 12:18 AM
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No you wouldn't because women overwhelmingly prefer their own age range and men actually considering a long term relationship consider more things than looks alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 12:14 AM
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Looks are important to women. It would be a lie to suggest otherwise. They just aren't the singular factor. Men can develop carnal attraction on looks alone but women's attraction is more holistic. The looks are only one (admittedly, fairly large) piece of the puzzle. This means women can trade off looks more though if the man demonstrates a good sense of humour, confidence, intelligence or just if there is general chemistry with her. I think looks are rising on the list of priorities however as…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 09:12 PM
2

Well, are you saying the offer comes with an expectation? If so, what expectation?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 01:35 AM
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You sort of changed the topic but the reason for men's high suicide rate is a little bit more multifaceted than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 01:34 AM
1

I guess. Just don't go around offering free drinks to people, it's not something many people say no to lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 12:43 AM
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