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Salt_Mathematician24/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 08:54 AM
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He also said kinder and less entitled.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:55 PM
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This isn't exactly what he was saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:48 PM
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I disagree with that assertion. I think you misunderstand the term objective and descriptive and are markedly unaware of your own biases.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 02:01 PM
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The argument is that what you put forth is a subjective and limited view about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 06:15 AM
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I find this a very dehumanising and male centric view on women.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 06:08 AM
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2 or 3 But you do know there's a middle ground between grunting like a woodcutter and squealing like a banshee, you know? It's called moaning. It's hot to know your partner is enjoying themselves and a good way to communicate what is working.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 02:08 AM
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Because women have been highly influenced by a millenia of sexual suppression and a society that hasn't bothered to consider them as active sexual agents. There's confusion along what people say society has decided they are supposed to find attractive, what activates as attraction physiologically and the "truth" which would be a balance between the conscious and unconcious desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 06:12 PM
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I'm not sure if that is just it. Younger women have much higher divorce rates and are statistically less likely to remain in their earliest relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 01:49 PM
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But younger women also either don't want to commit or aren't dating people they see with long term qualities for a partner. It depends what you are looking for. Everything is a trade off in some way.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:50 PM
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My first boyfriend was a squeaky halfwit (bless his soul). My second was a short abusive man with lots of debt who got fat a few months into dating. My husband is a 6 foot Scandinavian Chad with a heart of gold. Am I an alpha widow?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:07 PM
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No because men's low standards are due to men's low market value. Men have culturally spent too long being the buyer in romantic and sexual relationships that they don't know how to be the product. Women now have purchasing power. If all you have is a buyer and then someone with a established product AND the means to purchase - the latter is always going to be at an advantage and not going to cash out.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:41 PM
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More like violent misogynists are more likely to go out their and talk to women and be pushy so by balance of probability they're going to get more opportunities.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 09:49 PM
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This reads like a really disconnected and paranoid fiction. I think some men really let their insecurities for not fulfilling the patriarchal masculine ideal effect their perspective on reality. The most I see women "make fun" of sexually unsuccessful men is when they call someone spewing angry rhetoric about women an incel. But they're attacking the misogyny and the man's insecurity, not his inability to get laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:05 PM
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Huh? If they do their job well they should be also be judged by their personal life? Based on what standard, may I ask?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 02:26 PM
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I think it's a more of a mix of trial and error for what works for someone personally, discovering who they actually are and what they want out of lives and general changing priorities on life in young adulthood vs at a later age.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 02:22 PM
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Absorbing ideas and memorising facts isnt the same as the lessons that come from actively living your life and growing from a young person into an adult.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 02:12 PM
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Degrees are a learning process so why not start them young? Most education is done when someone is young (children). Only because you're still maturing doesn't mean you can't make decisions. It's just a lot of those decisions you will later learn from. You have to start adulthood at some point. But part of becoming an adult involves learning an entirely new skill set.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:00 AM
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That's no reason to hate on others.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 08:58 AM
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Men do not like actual female sexuality either outside a constructed ideal. Male and female sexuality is completely counter to one another (in the fact that the focal point is the opposite). You hear more criticism against male sexuality because patriarchy has led it to be more oversaturated and therefore obnoxious at best and downright threatening at worst by the allowances that comes with it being the cultural default.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 10:13 PM
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Do you ever think it might just be because porn produced by and for men is more oversaturated and has led to more lawsuits of human trafficking, revenge porn, CP and the like?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:05 AM
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Source for the "men they end up with are less attractive than men they had casual sex with" That sounds very subjective and not my observation at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 10:56 PM
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For anyone that hasn't heard of that silly Internet argument, that is not an answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 03:16 PM
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The post was who's responsible for "making them feel safe around them". Not safety in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 06:33 AM
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Women play into patriarchy by sexually objectifying themselves. It's convenient for current, established capitalism (which is patriachal in its roots) but negative for women's rights as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:48 PM
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You didn't answer my question.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:24 PM
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Who's responsibility should it be?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 06:59 PM
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Yeah but the risk of anarchy are smaller in probability than the risks associated with being financially dependent on another person. And you are still at risk with anarchy in both.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 08:32 AM
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Anarchy is one very extreme example but women being involved in society, politics and the economy can better influence or predict societal outcomes. Also weaponry is more beneficial than muscle in the modern era for protection.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 08:13 AM
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Yes but it that world I would have the tools, experience and influence to work within the system. Not be kept separate from it like private property. Also "growing apart from wanting a career?" A career isn't some game that you play, it's how you directly interact with the world and make money, results and connections. Say I am developing a cure for cancer. I'm not only "having a career", I'm directly changing the world, gaining knowledge and expertise, building relationships and earning money I…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 05:16 AM
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What if he dies? What if he leaves? What if he changes for whatever reason? Or we grow apart? Life isn't static. Also I didn't mention this in my previous comment but I'd also like the ability to contribute to the world, whether that be politically or creatively or intellectually, even if I was with the love of my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 05:00 AM
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Love of my life. But I'm massively introverted and an old romantic. I'm still a feminist because I believe in women's choices. Not all women feel the same as me and also I would like to have options to leave bad situations if necessary and to have my own money (money = power/choice).
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 04:24 AM
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I used the word "porn" functionally to describe content that appeals to their sexes fundamental base sexual desires. The only area where there is indeed a gap between genders, is video pornography and that is explained entirely by women’s spending habits not anything else. Disagree again. It's not even just porn tbf. The male gaze is represented everywhere from film to music to advertisements. I think male sexually interests are more capitalised on and more mainstream. I think most people would …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 12:21 PM
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Not true. Again you're looking at the male porn industry and saying because women aren't paying for that then theyre not willing. I'm saying women's sexual interests are different. You're saying because they're not exactly like men's then theyre non existence. Women need to carve out an entire space of their own which they have already sort of done in the erotic fiction spear. But it's an industry with far less mainstream acknowledgement and investment behind it but as women gain more economic l…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:51 AM
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They were also right about many things though, too. And we are also wrong about many things right now. You're talking about hard observable science. Social and cultural attitudes and phenomena are entirely different and malleable. It's based around values. While testerone can influence some biological factors, there is no gene we can point to that proves men are more attracted to women than vice versa. Like discussed, in ancient Greece, and to a certain extent, Ancient Rome, men were considered …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 10:34 PM
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Women do thats why things like fifty shades of grey are popular. It is known to be a very loyal audience very willing to spend money. These things are still developing. Women have only had similar representation levels in business, directors and producers in probably only the last decade. They weren't making big decisions like this. Young women doing only fans for cash from a male audience is not the same as women having the power to make decisions directing men. But as women's share of capital …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 01:27 PM
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Snapshot video format porn is still highly visual and not much else so it's still something that works for men more. Culture. Women telling men they want them to put them on camera is less likely than the other way around. Men might find it emasculating, women worry about being exploitative. I really just think porn for women would be more serial based or focus more on the people, couple goals and romance. The industry is so steeped in male gaze that's it is hard to envisioning anything else. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/26 04:46 AM
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Yeah because men never chose based on superficial characteristics. And women never do on character 🙄 Give me a break trying to twist this into a "woman bad" narrative. I was totally right about you and the manosphere's complete bad faith, self-confirming narrative on this topic. The male loneliness is way more likely due to men's willful ignorance on women like you just demonstrated than women having sexual desires and expressing them like men always have.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 10:49 PM
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Some are but even the ones that are go much deeper than that and end with the woman calling the shots by the end of it. Just like the romances men like where they find a badass woman and then domesticate her. Very common in male produced romance. The recurring themes and differences in women's erotica vs porn are the people focused dynamics and stories over pure primal visuals. Sometimes high stakes and exaggerated characteristics have more of an impact in getting it there. Also, I find it funny…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 10:41 PM
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You might only be seeing what you want to see.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 10:25 PM
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Yeah, I know plenty of women who read erotica and never heard this mentioned by anyone but the manosphere. I am sure it has an audience but it is clearly just a bad faith attempt to demonize, caricaturize and mock women's desires rather than try and understand. As if that will help them in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 10:08 PM
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Ofcourse it also seems every strong female character in a movie or show is also gay or atleast bi. Most female popstars who make songs for women identify as bi... That's just cynical corporations trying to get double social brownie points by having a woman AND a queen person. It pisses me off too As for the popstars who's focus is around their sexuality learned through their socialization that the idea of a bisexual woman was considered sexy, edgy AND progressive. Another attempt to hit multiple…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 08:03 PM
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But they do. Fifty shades of Grey was a best seller. Fangirls are known to be very loyal and high spending market. The issue is the people in charge of business (men) didn't know how to market to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 03:24 PM
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No. The idea that "women are lesbians" is usually men who are either projecting or they got their information by that bs pornhub marketing "analytics". Or they just think because of women's perceived lack of attraction to them or men they find attractive must automatically equate them as lesbians. The repression of female sexuality and patriarchy has led to men feeling undesired.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 03:23 PM
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Not really but I threw in the towel and stopped consuming anything but gay male erotica years ago so I don't want to focus anymore on the woman at all personally. I guess maybe more cunninglus, more attractive men, more romance, more story. Just spitfiring now.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 01:50 PM
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Focus on the woman's pleasure and fantasies is probably what they mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 01:42 PM
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Exactly. Thats why it is difficult because it's something not attempted before and is outside our realm of consideration but I think women are more okay with watching simulated sex scenes because the pay off comes from the narrative and emotional release more than getting a close up visual of a dick in a vagina.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 01:41 PM
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You think these TV shows are the same as regular porn. Regular porn is just 95-100% sex whereas these are 80% story, 20% sex. There's a huge narrative build up spanning episodes lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 01:37 PM
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Heated rivalry is an audio visual work. If you're referring to stuff made on pornsites established by men for men then you're going to end up confused about what women like because even the "popular with women" section of sites like pornhub are made for men to get off to the idea of getting off to something women like. Not for women. Their yearly statistics add and omit categories and present themselves in certain ways to appeal to the male audience too. And if you think otherwise then you've al…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 01:35 PM
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That's why women love MM books and Heated Rivarly I guess?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 01:30 PM
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Of what in particular? I think something like Heated Rivalry, Fifty Shades of Grey, Bridgerton or 365 days is and example of adapted "women's porn". Although they're softer core version than you can get away with in lit because they're film and television. The cut videos lack too much holistic focus on the people and narrative to it to have a good pay off to most women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 01:28 PM
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Describing it in one way would be like describing all of men's porn in one way. Both men and women can have a range of fetishes but they just come from a different perspective that arises naturally from who is behind the fantasy... which can he hard to put into words. The closest way I could describe it is men's porn is typically visual and primal (primarily) and women's is contextual, holistic and more narrative based (primarily). Not to say women aren't visual (women's porn can and has been su…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 01:23 PM
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Or the opposite. You wouldn't have noticed it because it's just the default to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 12:36 PM
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It happens gradually by representation and empowering women so much that this becomes part of the cultural consciousness. Asking individual women on reddit just leads to arguments. Women come of age already knowing what men like simply through cultural osmosis because it is represented everywhere. It has only been the last 10 or 20 years that women's representation in business, politics and the arts has actually started to catch up to men. I believe it will become more naturalised but things lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 12:32 PM
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Yep. Men here angry about being lied to about the "nice guy getting the girl", that was fed to them through male produced fanservice movies. Or that women are all asexual just because they don't know what women like sexually and they aren't into the exact same things created by and produced for them. It, of course, isn't the result of their male ancestor's never bothering the learn what women like and forcing them into purity bubbles or male dominated societies not giving women a platform to exp…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 11:36 AM
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Yeah the manosphere is really obsessed with that one book but hell yeah many women can be kinky af.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 11:11 AM
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Calling it fictosexual is about as reasonable as calling men videosexual just because the porn they consume takes the form of visuals and videos (the scenarios in porn are made up too, you'd know). Sounds like a cop out for me. That is just the medium at which the desires are expressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 11:10 AM
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Women that watch pornsite pornography and think "oh I must be asexual because this is gross" should try reading. There is no massive porn industry around women's sexual interests since men really don't understand it and thus can't capitlize on it - so their interests is sort of a communal creative hub where they have to self author their fantasies for one another. That's where the imbalance lies. Either we abolish porn or we make the content distribution equal, which it isn't currently. Men are …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/26 10:37 AM
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So your issue is only with so-called "prominent feminists" not feminists or the idea of feminism in general?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 11:50 AM
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Okay, I will. You said; I'm not sure what you mean by "valued for their humanity," but based on women's behavior, I'm pretty confident that they will choose whatever they perceive to be most beneficial. That's what feminists do. It's about grabbing as much money/power/status/etc. as they can. All of this is strawmanning, hasty generalizations, unsubstantiated bias and virtiol. Please provide your full name and link to some of your published statements to substantiate what you are saying. Please …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 11:15 AM
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This has been debated a lot by academics but I think most agree that freewill is mostly a myth. You have choice within a system but you're still a product of it. Actually being able to counter these norms requires a level of individualism and self awareness that they average person simply does not actively possess.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 11:10 AM
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What's your evidence for this claim? Your very words. I challenge you to identify three prominent feminists who regularly make statements in contradiction to my characterization. You're speaking to one.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 06:37 AM
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My point. Well, not reality, but culture/society. Definitely not the only way a society has to look or be structured which I know is hard for some people to grasp because they seem to think in concrete black/white terms rather than big picture ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 06:36 AM
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No, well educated and studied historians that do not just cherry pick stuff divorced from it's context to push a narrative and spread misinformation.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/26 06:33 AM
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Okay you're antagonistic and caricaturing the opposing side now. I think most people try to strike a balancing act of what is beneficial individually and in the short term and what actually would be the ideal in the long term and for the best society and those can sometimes be two opposing realities. It doesn't change the facts I have discussed here. Listen to the arguments instead of letting the straw woman radfem sneak into the picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:55 PM
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That's some powerful misplaced certainty you have there. Men don't want to be the prize? Really?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 06:57 PM
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I'm confused. What do you take issue with in my post?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 06:52 PM
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All I did is explain the phenomenon and state the fact that these were female leaders within a patriarchal system. They didn't exist in a vacuum. You can't divorce it from that context. These aren't even my arguments. They're arguments of actual historians if you dig into the literature surronding this.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 05:29 PM
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Yeah and if we actually portrayed men as sexually desirable and appreciated their beauty too, men would be considered the prize more which means they'd be higher demand.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 03:48 PM
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Never said otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 03:31 PM
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It isn't slut shaming men. Slut shaming is shaming what a person does with their own body. Sexual objectification of women is something done to someone else's body. Having consensual sex and dressing how you wish is not in the same camp as the aggressive, systemic sexual objectification of women's bodies by a male dominated society. And my argument was how this effects men. We know how it effects women (SA, street harassment, self esteem issues, dehuminization). It effects men because it equates…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 02:35 PM
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And personally find it to be problematic to specifically insult people based on something they are insecure about. Well you take issue with a lot of human behaviour then. Of course if you're trying to insult someone, hitting a sore spot is usually the way to get the desired result. I'd put this in a similar to camp to saying a woman "hit the wall" in cruelty level when it comes to trying to use people's insecurities against then. It’s similar to using a slur against a minority due to being aware…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 02:31 PM
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I know you guys desperately want this to be true for the sake of validating your confirmation bias but I have to tell you straight, that you are mistaken. When men are called incels by women, the women are always referring to an embittered, hateful, entitled man. The virgin part isn't considered and only hurts because thats what the man is insecure about, not because the woman actually cares. I can assure you of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 02:21 PM
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Yeah that fact is deeply misunderstood. Female leaders in patriarchal societies' entire councils were still made up of men. Societies that had women leaders usually were more likely to face war BECAUSE it was a female leader within a patriarchal society - there was likely a dispute in the line of accession that would cause unrest or the male councils would take the opportunity of a female led system as a canvas to enact their own interests. As for Margaret Thatcher, she was a handline conservati…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 01:57 PM
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Yeah but none of this is active resentment. Its the socialization and culture which have made us who we are, believe what we believe and live the way we do. It's unconcious for most people and it isn't resentment to have these conversations.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 12:06 PM
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Of course people have agency but we are also products of the generations before us and cultural attitudes. I would also push back on the patriachy being a mythical force. It's a factual reality that men hold most leadership roles and capital and 80 years ago isn't that long in the grand scheme of history. What happened 80 years ago still has an impact on our current attitudes and beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 10:46 AM
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Yeah, there are some benefits of sexual objectification in terms of the monetary and validation. However it's hard to see where this began and where it will end. Because we are all products of established cultural norms. Would women rather keep these short term benefits or prefer a idealistic world where they are valued for their humanity first and foremost? I think most would chose the latter if they believe it was actually possible. Feminist criticism can be selective. But so can manospherian …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 09:21 AM
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You seem to view it as an unchangeable reality when it could look like this because only a small percentage of men have figured out how to be attractive despite the cultural programming I referred to in my post.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 09:08 AM
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Or maybe awkward men are just hard to communicate with and make things awkward?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 09:04 AM
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Maybe it's a marker of safety. If other women deem him safe then it is usually a green flag. The pre-selection thing is never in a way red pill men think it is. Dan Bilzerian and Andrew Tate posing with bikini clad women is repulsive to women. As is a man that tries to replicate that kind of lifestyle on a dating app. He will be swiped left on immediately and considered a player. But a man that has a lot of female friends or a healthy dating life shows that other women deem him safe and a viable…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 08:28 AM
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It is. Why do you think in rap videos they talk about having lots of bitches? So men are projecting their beliefs about this onto women then getting mad at them about it. Some things never change.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 08:05 AM
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Men are the ones that popularised the word incel and gave it negative connotations associated with extreme misogyny. When women call someone an incel they're almost never referring to their inability to get laid but their misogynistic attitudes. Unless Isaac Newton said extremely misogynistic things, he is likely safe from being called that by women lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 08:04 AM
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Not being around someone does not equate to treating them as lower status unless you think women's presence and attention is some magical decider of value.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 08:02 AM
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In what way? Can you give me an example?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:31 AM
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Oh well then I don't agree with that so I was basically encouraging you to explain how, if you would be willing.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 07:07 AM
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Do they actually treat men as lower status or do men just feel lower status when they're not "picked"?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 06:58 AM
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Nope. Not what I am saying at all. Where have you got this from?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 06:39 AM
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I'm talking about sexual objectification. But you are still wrong. Men are the ones that send other men to war.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 06:38 AM
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You have the definition wrong. You've basically rewrote it to one that magically makes men the victims, despite them literally controlling all hard power, government and capital in the 60s just because women got the vote a few decades before and women's rights groups existed to address the structural imbalance. I think that is absurd .
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 06:36 AM
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I think you have fundamentally misunderstood my argument and would implore you to read the rest of the thread and my responses to get a better grasp on what I am saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/26 12:09 AM
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How about your sexuality isn't bad but has been exercised systemically to cause both you and women terrible and dysfunctional issues and you should probably be congnizent of that?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 11:50 PM
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A patriarchal society is one in which men hold the majority of hard power. In pretty much every society, without exception, these are leadship roles and captial. In the 1960s, every political office was held by men and men held pretty much 99.9% of all captital ventures. Like, come on. If you want to reach the truth you need to make some concessions to that of blatant reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 11:29 PM
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I'm softer on them. I honestly feel many of the just believe the patriachy's bullshit because it's male-centric in focus, even when it is tearing them apart.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 10:58 PM
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Anything concrete? Sorry, I edited my comment. Patriarchy basically means men hold most of the hard power. For most societies, this is usually concentrated in politics and capital. Men still dominant both globally.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 10:50 PM
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Why do you believe that, may I ask? And patriarchy just means a society where men hold most of the hard power. Financially and politically usually. Those are the two main avenues of power in most societies.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 10:46 PM
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The fact that you are actually trying to tell me that women are just more attractive as a concrete reality is proof of my argument about how objectification of women effects men too. Look at your flair. You honestly have fallen for your own collective bullshit and are now collectively victimised by it. It's tragic. And not right.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 10:40 PM
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No, men don't do that. But a system consistently filtered through a male perspective is certainly going to lead to confirmation biases about reality. The rest of your comment is just proving my point about how patriarchy hurts men. You actually believe that. That is the problem. And because a patriarchal society filtered through a male perspective is telling you this, you are more likely to identity with it as truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 10:32 PM
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The "women don't want men" is precisely the effects of objectification of women that i am pointing to in regards to how it effects men. How can so many men prove my point on such a short amount of time. Its amazing lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 10:30 PM
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Oh my god...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 10:22 PM
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Nope. I think you are underthinking it, instead. As a man in a patriarchal society you view it as an expression of your biology, hence your reality, then clarify it as human nature - then fail to see when it is really hurting you. You accept the plate handed to you in that regard, even when it no longer benefits you and it is those unrepresented by the status quo that challenge it. Maybe consider that for a minute and you might realise why feminist and queer theory is a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 10:15 PM
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Young women sexualizing themselves on social media didn't just come from nowhere. Young women grow up absorbing prior generations attitudes about what they should aspire too. Even the sexual revolution of the 60s which red pillers like to point to didn't happen in some utopian egalitarian state, it happen under a patriachal capitalist system where men pretty much controlled all established industry and could easily co-opt women's new found "liberation" for monetary gain. Do you honestly just ign…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 09:25 PM
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I disagree. I think women can be just as aggressive, if not more. It just isn't our societal framework. Perhaps people wonder how to fix it? Maybe it will fix itself in time or maybe being cognizent enough to adapt our behavior will push things toward so faster.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 08:31 PM
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You are massively underestimating cultural norms to the point it hurts. A lot of men seem to think patriarchal conditioning is natural and concrete just because they're men attracted to women. They're oblivious to how aggressive women could be if they actually had the power to enforce it and weren't kept it a self perpetuating loop of self judgement and appealing to an established system. It's painful to see this kind of misplaced certainty.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 08:23 PM
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To be fair, that could be more accurate but the gap certainly wasn't as pronounced as it is today. Which shows that it isn't the only way we can view beauty, sex and romance.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 07:34 PM
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To be clear, I am not arguing for a matriachy, just this one "virus" within our system. So you accept the possibility of the premise but argue the cure is unreachable to us? Do you think we can at least make steps in the right direction with that knowledge? Or is just scrapping any attempts at doing so all together the better option?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 07:32 PM
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they only reason it emerged is that men are more attracted to women than the reverse. Here is where I disagree and would argue validates my point of how objectification of women effects men negatively. Because objectification of women is patriarchal in it's roots and most men are straight, men often view it as natural and unchangeable then fail to realize that it's hurting them. There have been societies that propped the male form up as more desirable like the ancient Greeks I mentioned - grante…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 07:00 PM
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Do you think women being pinned as the beautiful and sexually desirable ones as a cultural default helps matters? Do you think we would arrive exactly where we are in regards to attitudes towards this is we restarted society on a blank slate based around enforrced egalitarianism? Or had a society than celebrated men's beauty and virility like the ancient Greeks?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 06:46 PM
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Do you think women being sexualized to the mass scale they are today and have been since the advert of mass media is beneficial to men, given that men have lost the leverage they had under absolute patriarchy?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 06:43 PM
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Yes, it would. We no longer need to live in a society where women are dangled like meat for men, yet we do in many ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 06:14 PM
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I do not think it is the only answer but I think people underestimate the consequences. If men have lost their leverage through equality, propping women up as the prime steak is just going to further cause an imbalance at the ground level.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 06:13 PM
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Good point. However, I guess men must have had more leverage power in the past when things were more unequal. Maintaining a cultural imbalance of objectification of women is just tilting the scales even further to men's disadvantage. I don't think people often view the ways it effects men too.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 06:07 PM
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By male if you mean aimed at men then, absolutely. Tbf, I think denying this is akin to denying the sky is blue imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 05:18 PM
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Yes. But the fact that it was revolutionary for doing that further confirms my point that there was a huge imbalance. One successful attempt of rebalancing it doesn't wipe the slate clean.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 05:16 PM
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It isn't helping but maybe it is another knock on effect. Girls that grow up seeing women objectified are more likely to self objectify and conclude that is what society values of them. It's a vicious cycle which has been addressed for decades but people did not always take seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 05:15 PM
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Oh, well the average hack and slash prior to the 2010s pretty much always had a titty scene of a college aged girl for no reason. Baldur's Gate had equal opportunity fanservice and thats why it was seen as so revolutionary. Yes, yes it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 05:13 PM
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They do want easy answers to complicated problems. But what are those complicated problems and what has caused them? That's what my post is about.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 05:11 PM
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Have you ever watched a horror film created prior to the 2010s? Or played a video game? Or watched Game of Thrones?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 05:09 PM
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There's been studies done on this spanning decades that women tend to be more likely to ge sexualized. Muscular men being topless isn't sexualization in the way men think it is, it is usually created by men and appeals to male (gay and straight) ideas of male idealism.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 05:07 PM
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Women do play into objectification but the society we are born into isn't a clean slate. There's existing attitudes from the generations before us. A woman who is exposed to objectification of women growing up is more likely to see that as what she as a woman is valued for and is more likely to consider industries that are based around that. Like sexual revolution of women didnt happen in an egalitarian society. It happened in a patriarchal capitalist one where men still held all the power over …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 05:05 PM
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There's the base desire and there is a societal and cultural attitudes.. Like in ancient Greece for example, male bodies were seen as the epitome of beauty. Societies that have been patriarchal for a while will typically objectify women more so because more men are straight and patriarchal societies are filtered through a male perspective, but that imbalance at the macro level can have an effect of on relationships at the micro, everyday level.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/26 05:00 PM
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I'm usually an advocate against the objectification/sexualization of women which people usually argue is strictly an issue that effects women. I argue it effects men too. Your entire post history is an example of why.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/26 01:12 AM
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What about the women who have never heard of this case? Which is probably the majority?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/26 10:47 AM
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The idea that women can sense every bad person isn't true. Sometimes they can spot red flags due to their own personal experiences but the conflating that to "women are just psychic" is not an idea I think most reasonable people share.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 03:02 PM
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i thought women hate abusers? manipulators? ect Women aren't attracted monolith. But generally speaking, yes, people dont like abusers. Successful abusers are usually successful for a reason, and that is that they're good at playing to part of decent and regular people for long enough to sink their teeth in. They're usually more confident and more likely to approach in the first place vs embittered men on the sidelines that have never said hi to a woman due to anxiety.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/26 02:01 PM
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Not true. Bonobo chimps are matriarchal and way less violent than their patriarchal cousins the Chimpanzee. Both are our closest genetic ancestors as humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/26 03:00 PM
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That's why feminism is always needed. To those asking why it is still around in the west.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/26 06:31 PM
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Do you mean in pop culture or in personal life? There's a lot in pop culture, more than female role models anyway. Always has been.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/26 07:53 AM
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Definitionally it is not. They are two distinct terms even if you can associate them.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 12:48 PM
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You said it was a "synonym" for civilization. I said no it is not. Which is accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 11:23 AM
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Everything is rooted in patriarchal narratives; "patriarchy" is a synonym for civilization. No it isn't, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/26 10:45 AM
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I'm not really sure how accurate your biological standpoint is but you make the case for junk food , social media algorithms etc. It's a discussion of how big you want the government and how regulated you want industry to be. You’re essentially saying: "It’s our turn to profit from this, so you aren't allowed to call it harmful anymore." You’re prioritizing economic revenge/equality over public health. You’re more interested in winning the historical gender war than discussing the actual effects…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 07:17 PM
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Men have been sexualizing women for decades. Controlled all the big pornsites and porno mags When feminists complained about it, they were laughed out of the room. Now women have control over the means (as they should since it is their bodies), now suddenly men are going anti-porn and feminists were right all along? Give me strength.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 07:01 PM
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And most men watching porn weren't made addicted to drugs. Women's bodies are not drugs.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 06:13 PM
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Most men never had an issue objectifying women and would laugh in the faces of feminists until women started being in actual control of the act. I see women being in control of their objectification as a step up from the past since it is their bodies and you can't fault women for learning that sex sells after growing up in prior generations which basically told them straight that it did over and over (film, TV, magazines, video games, pornsite run by men). Not all women do sex work but the women…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 04:59 PM
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The drug dealer is always worse than the user. Both are wrong, but the one supplying the drug is worse. The trafficker is always worse than the hoe.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/26 04:53 PM
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I mean the idea that looks dont matter was created by men, in media, at least. That's all I'm saying and I'm not saying no one should complain but that that specific one isn’t women "lying to men", as it is sometimes framed.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 02:17 PM
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The media that told you think was often created by other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/26 11:14 AM
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It's a phrase which I never heard used outside of the context I described but has been latched onto by the red pill to represent something it isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 08:25 PM
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I don’t see what that has to do with the usage and meaning of a phrase.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 08:16 PM
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I haven't heard the phrase in real life and believe it's usage, if it is used, is nothing about what the red pill frames it as. It's usually pining after some make believe chivalrous male archetype of history. Not somehow men who were around her 20+ years ago. I haven't seen that subreddit but I'll bet it is men projecting ideas onto women based on this rather than the women literally saying this.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 07:14 PM
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"Where are all the good men?" I've not heard anyone other than Bonnie Tyler say that lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/26 04:07 PM
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Yeah, they did. Strangely. My guess is that pornhub analytics are first and foremost a marketing gimmick, and since their core audience is straight men, they didnt want to make them uncomfortable with including the gay category but portraying women as uniquely lesbian fulfills a male fantasy. They've removed other categories before. Usually it's the more controversial ones that would get their site bad press.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 05:46 PM
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No, I just think men and women's sexuality is different and women require romance rather than purely visual cues like men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 11:41 AM
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That "women like lesbian porn" thing is blown out of proportion by pornhub because they don't group gay male in with the men and womens stats, so women are only judged by content made for straight men and it doesn't show how high gay porn would rank in men's favourites (I'm guessing quite high because of the size of the individual category vs something like Japanese or BDSM). Also pornsites are primarily aimed at men (gay and straight), it isn't fair to judge women's sexuality entirely by men's …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/26 11:13 AM
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Still male sexual selection being prioritised here. Harems for select "alpha" males is textbook male reproductive imperatives.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 03:33 PM
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That doesn't prove anything. It just proves my point. That men in general haven't figured out female sexuality enough to socially capitalise on it en masse.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 02:50 AM
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Keep telling yourself that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 02:16 AM
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You didn't answer my question.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 02:15 AM
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You said male sexuality, not long term relationship standards. What are those standards that relate to this thread, out of interest, pray tell?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 02:11 AM
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No desire to understand male sexuality? I think women understand it too much, that's why then can monetize it in a drop of a hat. Men cannot do the same unless it is for gay men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/26 02:08 AM
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It isn't speculative that much of modern history was patriarchal and there was a systemic power differential between men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 09:24 PM
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Yes it does. That's why sperm banks prefer men younger than late 30s. And yes they are fitter. That's why the military prefers younger men. Like, come on. All the other argument your comment made was explained in my comment by the trade off women make due to our patriarchal past which didn't prioritise female mate selection but instead relied on economic and systematic power factors to ensure male selection first and foremost.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 09:20 PM
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It's the same for women, women have just been socialised to be more flexible and value other things due to patriachal history/our evolution. Younger men are more attractive as they're, fitter, healthier and have higher sperm count. Women are more likely to make trade offs since they're sexual selection wasn't prioritised historically.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 09:15 PM
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Your other example is AOC attacking short men, not men as a group. See what I did there?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/26 04:12 PM
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You mean other patriarchal cultures? How does that disprove my point of it being a concoction based on male reproductive imperatives and expectations?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 07:01 AM
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What different would that make?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 06:56 AM
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Basically for not being forced into relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 06:40 AM
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Is that literally the same as not wanting to have sex or date certain people?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 06:40 AM
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Was hitlers beliefs that he didnt want to have sex and date certain people?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 06:35 AM
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The result of their mistake of not wanting to be oppressed?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 06:33 AM
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Maybe because these narrow definitions of masculinity and femininity are men's conception only and women disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 06:10 AM
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Red pill has because so blurred with male supremacy content and #repealthe19thers in recent years so can't blame them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 06:04 AM
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I disagree but if the only way men get women is by oppressing them then I think that's a pretty messed up idea. Studies have shown women are progressively more likely to go for men that earn less so this seems to be changing as societal norms do.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/26 06:00 AM
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Catharsis comes from emotional affirmation. Yes, you may have seen similar things that you interpret in similar ways and you can all vent but then you concentrate theses ideas into extremists positions based on those feelings of frustration. Modern women hold most of the power in modern society now, but they still invoke the so-called “patriarchy” as a catch-all scapegoat because without it, they would be required to be more accountable for how they use it. Many women are all too happy to suppor…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 07:07 PM
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Super radical ones, maybe. But feminists in general belief's are rooted in reality of the distribution of power and the world. Red pill only reaffirms feminism - that the fight is never over so long as their people who would take those rights away. Look at 1970s Afghanistan vs today. In 2014 some people were saying "feminism isn't necessary anymore", today's discourse only proves it very much is when you look at the extreme red pill and the #repealthe19thers. Catharsis, indeed. It's psychology a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:41 PM
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Disagree. It's 1) Their interpretation of their interactions with women and 2) The general weird mixed societal messaging of being in a transitionary phase of patriachy vs egalitarianism, that makes them red pill. Many men are stuck between the two and are more psychologically willing to affirm the patriarchal messaging because it appeals more to their sex imperatives as a man. Red pillers take the easy route, not necessarily the correct one.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 06:09 PM
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Negging and shit testing are both terms from the red pill, so no.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 11:46 AM
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They were talking about murder.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 07:52 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 05:37 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 05:36 PM
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Not the same thing at all. Anyway, the screenshots you asked for. As you can see misogyny came before misandry in these examples; <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 05:35 PM
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Also the way these trends work is word association but it doesn't provide the context. You can't just cherry pick phrases like this. You also do not have the Internet in the 1910s to compare language. Absolute ridiculous post.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 05:28 PM
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You're using very specific terms which you know have a memeworthy popularity in one context more than the other. What about Women shouldn't vote vs men shouldn't vote. Women are property vs men are property. Men are superior vs women are superior?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 05:22 PM
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I find it interesting how there is no misandrist version of Andrew Tate for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/26 03:10 PM
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"Tranquilized matress".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 07:08 PM
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In that case, you should know feminism doesn't have an end state as long as the threat of the reversal of hard-earned rights exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 04:40 PM
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Op is using the same argument about cultivation theory with the media we consume that feminists do.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 01:55 PM
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You said it was "much worse", so I gathered from that you mean "morally worse" but you didn't, I suppose?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 09:13 AM
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What is worse morally, murder or suicide?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 08:55 AM
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oh well tough sh1t the world isn't fair or they bring it on themselves thing". I never once said that. It depends on what the complaint is and how it is framed.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 08:54 AM
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So you want larger government, more men going to university vs trades and more sex exclusive groups for men, yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 08:39 AM
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Why is society causing it? What is society doing to cause this?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/26 06:47 AM
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Op is literally doing the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 05:34 PM
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Not entity. Systematic structuring and attitudes that persists cross-generationally.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 05:19 PM
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Threads aren't evidence. Many women find the idea of two men together hot actually. Thats why gay male romance in fanfiction outnumbers even straight romance for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 01:25 PM
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Sexualizing female homosexuality isn’t acceptance and praise. Sexualization is one of the most dehumanising things you can do to a person. Men criminalized all forms of homosexuality whilst still sexualizing lesbianism and bisexuality in women. It isn't acceptance. It's taking one aspect of it and projecting your own desires onto it for your own selfish pleasure whilst completely disregarding the dignity and lived experience of actual lesbians. It is nothing more than fetishism. By your same log…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 01:20 PM
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Even if it was a fact, why do these men bring it up all the time? It's obvious they do it as a threat.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 07:43 AM
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Why is it a bigger issue to prioritise? I think people projecting hatred outward is a bigger existential/societal threat than being upset.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 07:41 AM
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Men sexualize women for being bisexual and wanting threesomes, that's sort of homophobia in and of itself. Women don't find the promiscuity stereotype/open relationship factor attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 07:35 AM
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The manosphere uses gay as an insult all the time. If men are suddenly becoming defensive of gay men after 2000 years of violent homophobia to stick it to women who call them gay then I think the reverse psychology is working out pretty damn well.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 04:34 AM
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It isn't feminism. It's literally just women turning men's prejudice on themselves. You don't have to be a feminist to intuitively know this is an effective strategy for getting under their skin.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/26 03:42 AM
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No, I'm drawing the direct parallel of homophobia and patriarchy and how it can be used against men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 09:26 PM
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It isnt morally pure but neither is the system. Sometimes you have to challenge it crudely to actually inspire empathy and change.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 09:01 PM
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There are great ape species that are entirely bisexual. Culture and evolution can influence the human condition. Sexuality is entirely morally neutral. In a perfect world, it would just be a choice rather than them insisting they had no choice in the matter to validate themselves within a homophobic system.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 08:47 PM
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Suddenly men care about gay men after 2000 years of criminalization via the death penalty and patriachal societies across the globe are throwing them off rooftops - even though women are statistically more accepting of gay and lesbians and always have been and the one matriarchal large ape society we can point to is completely bisexual and this insult doesn't work on them in the same way because they literally don't care or feel insecure about it. Okay then.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 08:20 PM
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If you dig into the sociological and psychological history then you'd probably arrive at that, objectively.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 08:17 PM
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It may be low effort in nature but what it reveals is a fundamental contradiction of patriachy that women innately know and feel.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 08:16 PM
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If you take it as one. That's the whole point of the experiment. To reveal your own homophpbia.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 08:12 PM
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You can do what you want but one will be recognised as actively patriarchal and the other as challenging patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 08:12 PM
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Women absolute can be but also are better at challenging them because they see the blindspots men are more likely to see as natural order, according to their own limited perspective. Women who say they dont want to date bi men are indeed unconciously playing into patriarchy but thats is a dating preference more so than explicit homophobia.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 08:10 PM
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Gay isnt a slur. It is a descriptor.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 08:09 PM
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Low effort but effective against challenging patriarchal homophobia. You expect women to conform to your expectations but homophobia is something the patriarchy has criminalized for centuries. Why make it harder for yourself? Instead of expecting women to conform, why not expand your horizons? Mammals are perfectly capable of bisexuality, as seen in the matriarchal bonobos.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 08:08 PM
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True but why not make it easier for yourself and try men? Humans are literally more flexible than you think.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 08:06 PM
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High n count plays into patriarchy. Weaponized homophobia challenges men about their own patriarchal biases.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 08:03 PM
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It's both. It's an insult because men take it as one, and also reveals something about themselves that they can sit with.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 08:02 PM
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It works because men fear it. Women are perfectly within their rights to turn this patriarchal homophobia against them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 08:01 PM
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Nope. Matriarchal ape species (bonobos) are completely bisexual. It's the patriarchal ones that aren't and criminalized it. Even to give the death penalty over the practice. Women play to these patriarchal systems to get a reaction out of men because it works.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 08:00 PM
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Yes and no. I think humans at their most base level are more bisexual then they realize. Our culture and evolution has stamped this out for the most part but matriarchal ape species are pretty much complete bisexual (bonobos). It's the patriarchal ones that aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 07:59 PM
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Because it doesn't work the same way. Women do not care half as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 07:57 PM
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Game of chance. Homophobia is much stronger in men on average so it tends to hit way harder than calling a woman a lesbian. Women dont care. But they know men on average do.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 07:55 PM
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Indeed but it's less about their own bigotry and more playing towards men's.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 07:53 PM
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But the success of the insult is due to male homophobia which has a much stronger history and tends to hit harder.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 07:52 PM
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Yes. And the same insult is thrown at women, but women do not have the same insecurity regarding homosexuality, so it doesn't hit as hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 07:51 PM
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I don't think women see it as an insult. More so they know men take it as one. That's the power of "insults", to attack someone's insecurities. And the logic follows that if you find women some deplorable, why not go for men instead?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/26 07:45 PM
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Either that or their attraction to it can make them think that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/26 12:09 AM
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Sure but you'd be dishonest to say the market for strictly visual content of men aimed at women is smaller. Women need a story, a character. Not just a body.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 11:39 PM
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Well the thing is when it comes to actual visual porn what women like seems to be very different than what men like. That's the issue. You can't judge women's preferences by male oriented porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 11:38 PM
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Pornhub stats are mainly bs. They're a marketing gimmick and the add and remove categories to suit the agenda of their "report". Gay male isn't even counted in the main stats. Women are only judged by the section of the site aimed at straight men, so of course you are going to find more gynephillic women in that section.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 11:35 PM
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Yeah the characters are also hot if that's what you're trying to say, but it isn't just that alone or women would just buy men's nudes like men do with womenm
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 11:32 PM
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I think what your issue is, is that it isnt the "opposite gender" collectively pushing back on any of those. Just different people with different opinions. Like your last one, not all women or feminist think sex work is empowering, hell, not even the people who are pro-sex work necessarily think that. You have feminists that are anti-sex work and you have women who think, well, it's always going to be a thing so at least protect the workers from exploitative - not necessarily a "yaas queen slay"…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 08:02 PM
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Women tend to prefer narrative erotica that explores romance, character, story. A story of two men doubles the erotic charge of seeing men being emotional and romantic and negates the pressure of self identification. It's also one of the few genres which portrays both dominant and submissive men simultaneously.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 07:56 PM
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Holding doors open isn't feminism. Nor is feminism something you support just to "get something" from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 07:59 PM
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Do you not see your own bias here?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 07:58 PM
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I think women support feminism because of specifically focused on their human rights. That's totally rational. There is not much else to it. The rest of your post was "men sigma and women dumb sheep", basically on the same level as "boys rule, girls drool" It's just a very biased and shallow way of looking at evolutionary psychology.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 07:56 PM
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Most men don't put much effort into their appearance. Jeans and hoodies. Skinhead or overgrown hair. That's pretty much it. Attractive men stick out a mile in comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/03/26 12:49 AM
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Can't tell if this is sarcasm or not lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 04:09 PM
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When men call you emotional when they're the only ones acting emotional and getting angry in a debate lol. Also strawmanning and downvoting.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 02:15 AM
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Sex work is massively oversaturated and also a minority achieve actual notable success via it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/26 12:08 AM
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Men give terrible advice too. They are self servicing in their advice. Not many people are honest, even when they believe they are being.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 04:34 PM
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How have feminists specifically made that harder?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 08:30 AM
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Check the actual statistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/26 08:27 AM
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It would be higher but not as high as male violence or male on female SA. Just by looking at our evolutionary relatives - in primates, males are usually more aggressive due to testosterone levels, both sexually and physically
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 07:19 PM
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What do you deem a reliable source then? And the fact that they were immediately caught for that one, they'd soon be caught for a much bigger and more widespread dataset. Look at the methodology, not just the summaries.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 12:27 PM
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United nations (UNODC) reports.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 11:40 AM
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You're telling me the guardrails in which you deem the starting point on life. But you do not have the authority to decide when. It's a philosophical position.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 11:36 AM
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You can find pretty much anything on the Internet. That is why you should stick to data.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/26 11:35 AM
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I don't understand why thay matters. They're both cells that will or have the potential to become life. By actively blowing inside a sock is consciously squashing that potential. They're morally parallel.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 11:34 PM
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Using one example of an awful incident is silly when you know i could go find countless from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 11:32 PM
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He is asking which one your stat is referring to, dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 08:44 PM
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If you're talking about abortion then that isn't murder. It's autonomy over your own body and ejecting a clump of cells from it before they have chance to develop. It's done medically also, not violently. It's no more immoral than a man ejaculating into a sock rather than in an ovulating women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 08:42 PM
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Worldwide data suggests men commit 95% of the world's violence. This a globally observed thing and the world isn't just the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 08:30 PM
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I don't know the whole situation in depth but it could also be the men wanting them to take their kids and flee rather than them just running off.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 12:15 PM
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Women are fighting in Ukraine.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/03/26 11:23 AM
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It doesn't prove women are, it proves younger people are. Also, it depends how the arrange marriage system is practiced - group of men picking some ugly, old boring rich guy or a family decision involving female relatives where the woman can veto men she doesn't gel with?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/26 11:14 PM
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No. Read what I said again. I agreed with that point. I disagreed with you framing the motive as active lying and manipulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 03:49 PM
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I do not see how this relates at all to my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 01:08 PM
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I disagreed with the claim within your comment about women's pyschology and motives. Yes, it is up for debate. This is a debate sub. Even if you are the demographic the post is asking, you have to be ready to be challenged in the replies. That's the whole point of the subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 07:20 AM
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Most women really don't know what they want. And what they say they want is a lie. It's always a shit-test with(most) women. Disagree. Even the women who "don't know what they want" are rarely actively lying. I think women haven't actually been encouraged or allowed long enough to explore their collective sexuality outside the constraints of persisting generational phallocentric/patriarchal conditioning. This is much more the cases of younger women who haven't had enough time to break outside of…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 12:48 AM
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1) Downvoting is against the sub's rules, not to mention very childish. 2) You're reacting emotionally and strawmanning what I'm saying and refuse to rise above that so I guess this debate is over if you can't disengage from that and let the arguments speak for themselves without the projection.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 08:39 PM
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You're not listening to what I'm saying, you're just projecting . You have no first hand experience and are making no attempt understand. I understand you might be clouded by your own unique experiences and greivences but everything I said is accurate to how a lot of young women experience dating. It isnt a pick a mix experience you are childishly envisioning and while men aren't "awful" (which i never once said, another strawman), they view dating in much more of a conquest-first practice on av…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 08:34 PM
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Never said monsters. Just not every man is compatible with every woman for relationships but still so many of them still interact as they're just after sex, burying the few ones you may actually be compatible with.. So many men will get into relationships even if they arent compatible just to get regular sex and some men view the "conquest" part as much more important than the actual relationship part so will often "fake it until they make it" - wasting a lot of women's time and energy. Especial…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 08:13 PM
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Can you actually explain why instead of just saying stuff like this?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 06:10 PM
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Care to elaborate?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 02:06 PM
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The swamp implies time wasters, men only after her body, men who are putting on acts to gain access to her body, men that only want her because she's a woman, not because he actually likes or respects anything about her, dangerous men etc. It also highlights the negative aspects of choice paralysis. Like a Netflix gives you hundreds of options to watch and chose from and that can sometimes be much more stressful than just having 5 channels to flick through.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 07:56 AM
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So for women to be undesirable they have to be past 35, obese, "girl bosses" or already mothers. So, like the majority of women then?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 07:46 AM
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Op asked a question and I like the ponder human psychology.?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 07:40 AM
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I don't think it's as simple as the push for gender equality isn't working, more so many men were okay with the idea of gender equality when women were lagging behind power-wise but when women started to push to break into areas of influence and decision making, a lot of men panicked and said it was going too far. I think of gamergate as a stellar example of this. This was the beginning of the explosion of anti-feminism ecosystem we see online to this day. In regards to dating. I think again men…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 10:52 PM
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Always split. I'm in western Europe though, this seems a US/maybe eastern European thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 06:49 PM
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Well you understood me so I dont think the typo was really worth mentioning but whatever. Yeah but in actual healthy relationships you more than likely have some control over the outcomes by your actions and communication.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 06:35 PM
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Depends what your emotional needs are.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 02:07 PM
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What irony are you referring to?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 02:07 PM
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Yeah but you have more chance of actual having a reason rather than just being cut off without a chance to ever speak to the again and it's all in control of a cooperation, nothing you actions and words can do.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 08:18 AM
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Unhealthy but each to their own It's unhealthy because you're outsourcing your emotional needs to a cooperation that could withdraw the service at anytime. It may also lead you to neglect real life while you lose yourself in a fantasy creation that you can't possibly build anything real with.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/26 01:31 AM
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I just call that self improvement. Red pill is very specific. There's no salvaging the term now. Everyone knows it as rabid misogyny, male supremacy and conspiracy theories.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 12:48 PM
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My 5'11" husband is a good person. The 5'6" one was horrible, egotistical and with a bad temper. Nothing to do with height but since he brought it up. Not all short guys are just super nice dudes who were never given a chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 12:40 PM
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Your fixation on this particular topic and dissection of it is the point when it isnt that deep at all. You see women as objects and then you project that attitude onto others.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 06:48 AM
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Obviously you'd say that. Further self delusion.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 06:21 AM
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This is your perception of reality with all your preconceived assumptions and beliefs projected onto a scenario. People dont think about these things in the same way you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 06:09 AM
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That isn't red pill. Were they making tik toks saying women shouldn't vote and have no value apart from looks and being under the age of 22? Then not red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 05:49 AM
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Yes, misogyny is passed down generationally.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/26 05:47 AM
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Well yeah. Men in general are taller. So it's a probability thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 11:46 PM
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Oh. I get it. You're projecting your sexual fixation and insecurity into women's words and believing they care as much about it as you do in your own head.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 11:41 PM
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It's below average for a man. Were you thinking more like Peter Dinklage or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 11:40 PM
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A man is with a woman with small breasts and he says breast size doesn't matter so long as they're natural while simping over Sydney Sweeney. It's almost as if you can like and appreciate two different things within different contexts.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 11:32 PM
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Since you haven't said anything specific or provided proof I'm just going to point you again to how your beliefs may be colouring you perception and confirmation biases
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 11:21 PM
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5'11". My ex was 5'6" but he was horrible. Being short doesn't automatically make you virtuous or a better partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 11:19 PM
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Doubt it. Pill men just call women liars when they say something that doesn't fit their preconceived notions of the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 10:44 PM
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My husband isnt anything like what the red pill claims is an attractive man and he had never even heard of the red pill until I told him. Maybe that's a start.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 10:42 PM
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He is gorgeous but also a genuinely good person with strong morals, he is artistic and we have a lot in common. Also he finds me hilarious and intelligent and it's nice to be appreciated for those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 06:08 PM
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So STDs OR you have a moral objection to people having casual sex (say protection was always used and vigorous sexual health checks)?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 05:14 PM
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You could put a lot of unacceptable and immoral acts down to nature and instinct. It doesn't reflect well on someone's character and intellect when they refuse to recognise this and engage their rational brain, especially when it effects other people. Women liking tall and muscular men is as morally equivalent as men liking big boobs and wide hips. It isn't equivalent to forcing controlling moralizing attitudes onto women based on a completely illogical and archaic mate anxiety which has negativ…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 05:13 PM
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There can be but equal it can just be circumstantial. No one stays static in personality and interest throughout their lives. There's much better predictors of character than this and to centre it on this one metric I think is pretty random and just an excuse to to conceal the actual reasons which I believe to be rooted in male mate anxiety most of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 11:49 AM
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It matters on a variety of different factors. Did the man have less sexual partners than he actually wanted? That would be rooted in resentment. If it is truly based on his values then I think it is more understandable. Even if it sounds religious to me, so I can't relate as an atheist.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 11:47 AM
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It comes from archiac male reproductive anxiety and is one of the very things that led to a millenia of oppression and control over women's bodies and freedom. It doesn't suggest a high minded or intelligent man but an unga bunga, bat-to-the-head aggressive one. The reason for thie anxiety is not even any longer applicable in rhe really world with any with an IQ over 50 since the root of the anxiety is that the woman might be already pregnant and the man will not know but we know how long pregna…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 08:03 AM
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I don’t see porn as art so. Glad you do but I’m not interested in disputing its relevancy to this conversation. I infact said the opposite. Nicholas sparks wrote the notebook and a man directed it…lol I was just listing a couple of examples of romantic lit. I wasn't chosing so by gender, just by genre. Yes I know it was written by a man and directed by one (obviously since men made up pretty much all directors back then) And Wurhering Heights is a Victorian novel. And a dammed good one. Once aga…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 03:32 PM
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The 20th century I wouldn't consider modern or an example of the arts on equal footing. Men still made up like 95+ of all producers, directors, CEOs and publishers and women staying home was more expected for the first three quarters of the century. This isnt an equal or fair comparison. Its only the 2010s+ when things started becoming noticeable equalized and it still is titled in favour of men. And if you're only looking at erotic novels and fanfiction, porn would be a better comparison to tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 03:19 PM
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Could you give me examples of the great modern and romantic art men are making?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 03:08 PM
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Even if they were plenty it doesn't mean it's a myth that they were held back and excluded historically.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 02:26 PM
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I put men instead of mean. I edited it. See if you can understand now.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 09:25 AM
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Maybe because women weren't allowed to create and publish art back then?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 07:54 AM
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What i think people mean is that women's attraction is more dependent on romance.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 07:52 AM
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Tate doesn't either. He just panders to male power fantasies of dominating women. Something men have gravitated to for centuries. And it isnt women's job to communicate anything to you for starters, but maybe women's inability to communicate effectively is because men have stopped women speaking for millenia - now suddenly they want to listen and if women don't immediately and coherently explain everything with 100% accuracy across a population level, even after thousands of years of sexual repr…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 02:30 AM
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If you could explain the intricacies of the decision to follow a sex trafficking pimp that says women shouldn't have rights then go ahead. Also, this is nothing new, men have always gravitated towards exploitative men. That's why modern history is full of sex pests and pedos like Epstein to the various kings of old. You're doing nothing bold or brave or new. You trying to blame women's rights is laughable. Women's rights is the only thing challenging this behavior. Your entitlement is the only t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/26 02:03 AM
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What are you talking about? How do you know these women are lying rather than 1) it's different women saying it since women are individuals not representations of entire populations or 2) you're misunderstanding the root of what they're saying and presupposing their actions as being contrary when they've either changed their mind through growth or you actually know nothing about the intricacies of their decision since you aren't living their life. And, still, how does any of that justify becomin…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 11:01 PM
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Yeah because Andrew Tate and the rest never give bad advice or contradict themselves LOL. Sorry mate, still not an excuse for you to become radicalised or hate women just because according to you, their "words aren't lining up with their actions" - what a crime!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/26 05:29 PM
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I think straight women's aversion to bisexual men is stds which is factually more common in gay and bi men and hypersexuality, which men already have without swinging for both teams. Gay male relationships of often open. So it isn’t actually to do with the gay part in isolation but the facts and culture surronding it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 09:07 PM
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So what is more transphobic then - not wanting to date trans people or being actively against trans rights? Because thats what these guys are comparing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 08:39 PM
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"Simply because she's a woman" or "simply because she's trans"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 06:37 PM
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By the same logic people who dont want to date trans people are transphobic. Or gay men who don't want to date women are misogynistic etc etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 06:23 PM
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That isnt homophobia. That is just a dating preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 05:53 PM
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Posts like these make me lose faith in humanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/26 05:52 PM
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Yeah I've watched red pill debates where they try and argue it. It's one of the most egregiously bad, illogical and morally reprehensible arguments they've come up with in their unending quest to take us back to the dark ages - and that's saying something.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 08:55 PM
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Oh dear. You just get worse by the second. You're totally in a rabbit hole/echo chamber, aren't you? Women "enjoy" rights because men "let them". How do they "let them", pray tell? By not forcibly suppressing them? Might makes rights and all? Okay so you only enjoy life today because someone hasn't murdered you. Therefore murderers run the world and grant you life - you should appeal to them and live under their authority as gratitude. 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 08:42 PM
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Oh so now we're getting into a "patriarchy good" debate. No, patriarchy not good. Even if you can point to some benefits of benign sexism. You whole opinion here is filtered through a patriarchy-as-default lense. Like so many men here. It's tiring and this is why we end up talking past each other
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 08:30 PM
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I still disagree with your point and it reeks of patriarchal societal structuring. Women would rather have a young hot man with the added strength advantage, superior sperm AND those resources. Or maybe even the resources aquired themselves and just a hot man with slightly more to cover pregnacy breaks. Even Christian Grey was in his twenties. Men take a hit with every decade they age too. The only difference is they can hide it behind resources. The more patriarchal the society, the better this…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 08:23 PM
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A young woman marrying an older man for resources is a trade off. Most younger women would prefer a young hot rich man. Anyway my answer is that I dont accept this us vs them narrative in dating but if you were to, you'd look at how these things actually play our surely, rather than hamfisting a narrative.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 08:15 PM
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I hate when I see fellow brits post neanderthalic crap like this and I can't put it down to them being dumb trumpian Americans.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 08:13 PM
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I think framing is important in discussions and reveals the biases of those saying them For example when talking about evolutionary psychology saying; "women are naturally illogical and natural sheep/followers" Instead of like "Women score higher on emotional intelligence and tend to prioritise it due to they evolutionary past. They tend to be more communal and millenia of patriarchy may have an effect on perception of their perceived agency." So many men here will poison the well and lay their …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 06:44 PM
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All societies were basically religious so that's a moot point. Also Japan is pretty secular and is way advance when it comes to tech and other stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 05:31 PM
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People from poorer socioeconomic backgrounds and less developed countries are also more likely to be religious. Maybe lesser perceived agency leads to religiously and women on average have a lesser sense of perceived agency.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 03:56 PM
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"To some degree I have to agree with your sexist comment because ~ begins rest of comment ~ I am sexist too basically - but here's a different perspective you can denigrate women from" lol. High level discussion there guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 03:54 PM
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Yeah he may still get rejected. Maybe he cares less about getting rejected. Maybe his new found confidence leads to new and better relationships. You can't prevent the free will of others, you can only safeguard your own mental health and outlook.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 01:05 PM
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Well I can say in my case, it was not intended as an insult.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 01:04 PM
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Or to help their mental health, self image and limiting beliefs. What's you solution? Equal distribution of women or something? Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 11:47 AM
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Yeah bullying is horrible but what truly effects you is not the words but you belief in them. If someone told you you were a cat you would likely not be offended as you know you're not a cat.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 11:46 AM
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Not every bit. But a more equal share, yes. And that result is equal rights for all, more education, healthcare etc. Crazy isn't it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 11:45 AM
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Women's obsession with actually pointing you to the correct medical treatment for mental health and self image rather than to a fairytale or blackpill is indeed disgusting.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 11:44 AM
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If you're getting hurt by others words it is because you arent confident in your skin and your relying on affirmation from others. Therapy can absolutely address that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 09:24 AM
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Yes because merely getting the vote doesn't change systems of power over night. Its a starting point and women still didn't occupy any structural positions of power in the justice system or government. I can't believe I have to explain this. And no, British monarchs haven't had any real power for like over 200 years. You're talking out you arse with this point and I'm not going to entertain someone this clueless on this topic a minute longer.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 08:52 AM
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It will reframe his defeatist mindset for starters.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/26 08:32 AM
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I dont think the high bar to reach is the looks. Just that men haven't been socialised to meet the baseline like women have. And women require a bit more proof testing via the more holistic things are mentioned. May it be due to evolution or safety or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 05:32 PM
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I'm not saying looks arent important. I'm just saying women's sexuality is a bit more holistic. Hence why women prefer narrative based romance and erotica and men like very visual but low substance video format porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 05:07 PM
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Not necessarily. I genuinely think women's attraction is more holistic and part of that is some form our chemistry or connection beyond merely the visual.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 04:58 PM
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Depends what you define as superficial. Many women say they're looking for chemistry and a genuine connection, more often than I see men say that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 04:31 PM
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Men's in group bias which has led to exclude women from power for millilenia and only accept other men in those positions, is more real world applicable evidence than that dumb survey you guys cite here.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 03:53 PM
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Yeah because it's true.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 03:40 PM
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I disagree to be fair because I believe in love, human morality and transcending mere animalistic urges but you are correct. If you believe one, you must believe the other. Not the value system I would rather live under or with however. Each to their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 03:30 PM
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And vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 03:19 PM
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Stronger and better looking men are usually younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 03:19 PM
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If a man leaves a woman he sucks If a woman leaves a man it's because he sucks.. Never heard that. It sucks being left. I suppose it depends on the reason. People can project their moral outrage onto that if they want but it doesn't change your right to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 03:18 PM
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So women are monolithic in the negative ways apart from when that argument is better at defending men. Gotcha.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 03:01 PM
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Women leaving men for better looking, stronger and richer partnes is natural by the same logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 02:58 PM
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He suggests that men are more monolithic in their opinions but then another says women have higher in group bias. Women being more supportive of one another doesn't translate to giving the wrong advice on purpose. That's a huge leap of logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 12:18 PM
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A man can invite you hoping for something more but still be happy that he got to spend more time with you and not have a single explicit expectation? But these are two different scenarios. They can't really be compared as the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 12:11 PM
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Inconsistent, for example, one woman says looks dont matter much and the other says the actually matter a lot. Something like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 12:09 PM
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Exactly. The general consensus by experts is neither sex is more intelligent overall. Even if you just look at IQ, it balances itself out at a population levek - but IQ is only one measure of intelligence and is also influenced by external factors. Also, you can get maths geniuses who have never had a date and dont know where to start. It is ridiculous to say an IQ test translates to success within every field and area of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 12:08 PM
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It could be many reasons. She could actual be sick She didnt want to go through with the date but didnt want to explicitly say so Something else came up Time keeping issues/stalling. I'm not a mind reader - no one is.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 12:06 PM
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A little bit. The goal posts keep getting moved. Women are too inconsistent Women have too much in group bias. Women are more different in what they like whereas men's is more universal. Depending on the topic women are a monolith or they're inconsistent and confused.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 11:56 AM
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No it isn't. The complaint from men is often women are inconsistent in what they want. You're just pulling anything from your belt to suggest it's because women's opinions are just naturally worse or something instead of accepting the contradiction.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 11:54 AM
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So your answer is because men are smarter than women? Ignoring there isn't just one type of intelligence nor is this actually considered the case among any reputable source. Nor is intelligence the number one marker for distributing dating advice. Looks like you just wanted to say something sexist to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 11:52 AM
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One man further up says women have higher in group bias and this suggests the opposite. I dont think men are more consistent as a group. I just think their interests were culturally centered for longer so it's easier to express across groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 11:50 AM
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Men do not claim they reject women's opinions due to in group bias though. Also you are boiling down one single and often disputed data point to make it applicable to this topic, which it is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 11:48 AM
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Great point. Hopefully you actually get answers of substance.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 11:37 AM
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Even if you could prove that Elizabeth II was actually in control of laws and jurisdiction (you can't) and not the male dominated government and legislators, it doesn't change every single other example of patriarchal societies being much more homophobic towards men, mainly due to it giving them the "ick" and perhaps fear of being assaulted by another man. I mean are you actually British? I am. So I know how little influence kings and queens have over actual policy and democracy. They're sworn t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 09:44 AM
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So "don't worry because men have low standards", isn't very flattering. Also it depends on the person, obviously.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 08:23 AM
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Queen Elizabeth had no say in law. Nor did Victoria. Government and parliament was already set in place by then to deal with that. Are you actually serious? Women are more homophobic despite men making homosexuality in men punishable by death for millenia all around the globe because Alan Turing got sentence by a male police force, under a male jurisdiction, under a male government but Queen Elizabeth II was on the throne? ARE YOU SAYING THESE WORDS?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 07:55 AM
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Only because women initially reject like on the street, doesn't mean it isn't nerve wracking to be rejected once you invested your time in something or put yourself out there. And stop portraying men as so desperate and shallow that women can just be as boring, dumb, annoying etc and stupid as she wants because all men care about is a warm body or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/03/26 07:51 AM
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Gay men have hugely specific "tribes" which function like gender roles do for women (shock, both are created by men). Hyper masc straight-acting dudes are in the highest demand. It's sort of flipped to how straight men feel they're disadvantaged. The masculine ones are the most sought after.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 10:19 PM
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Yeah because men react more strongly with contempt for gay men and they were the ones in power.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 10:07 PM
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We get nervous too. Fear of embarrassing ourselves, fear of not looking pretty enough, fear of scaring the other off, fear of being put in awkward situations etc
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/26 11:34 AM
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Never said they were to blame but maybe don't get caught up in only forcing the self reflection and analysis on one side.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 10:58 PM
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The 80/20 rule is usually a generalisation about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 08:46 PM
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Women aren't either but you told them to check themselves. So why not do the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 06:34 PM
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Yeah same come be said for women and I said the same could be said for men. It's a two way street.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 06:34 PM
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but I think the important part is just questioning why so much of the sex you are supposedly attracted to is unattractive. I dont just think women should be questioning this. I think men should be questioning why they've made themselves so unattractive as a group to the opposite sex (if I grant you that premise) or ignored the importance of it for so long whilst aggressively sexualizing women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 05:26 PM
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Well you didn't respond to any of my comments so I thought I'd remind you that everyone sees right through you, even if you are now just hiding behind any comment that reaffirms you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 03:24 PM
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But a group of women (not all of them but the most vocal) in the age range discussed absolutely lose their shit on me and - immediately - start shaming me for not committing to one of their amazing sisterhood women who has so much to offer. How do you know anyone's age range on here? And no, they're calling you out because of how transparent and loaded your motives are. You're not as smooth as you seem to think, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 03:17 PM
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It is. Some men seem obsessed with this and trying to prove it and it's really weird tbf.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 02:50 PM
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Why do you think this is all women want? I dont get it. It's the biggest projection I continuously see among so-called pilled men and it just blows my mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 07:10 AM
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So obvious. Does he know how obvious it is or does he not care as long as he can get his desired narrative out there? That's the only question. Kind of creepy how much some men fantasise about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 07:03 AM
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I'm not quite sold on your intentions here, I think you're trying to push a narrative through the guise of "concern" - but like with anything, It depends on the person. I was WAY more miserable at 20 than I am at 31 even though I probably forced myself to smile and act happy at 20 more so.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 02:51 AM
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I dont think that is conditioning as much as it is just how society is now, economically and structurally. We dont start work at the local factory at 18 and marry to the church boy down the road anymore. Its a different world which requires different navigation. The structure is way more of a topic here than the conditioning, i would say.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 02:31 AM
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Is there even any societal messaging telling us not to have kids? Or is saying they can choose and just many chose not to? And yeah people can regret decisions later in life, sometimes merely for FOMO and if they actually went back in time they wouldn't really do anything differently. Like I could say if I was twenty again I would adopt a goth aesthetic and move to China (example) but if i were physically back in that 20 year old body and in the same environment I was, I probably would have my r…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 02:24 AM
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It's usually one of three; Biology More malleable/easily impressed Older women damaged and bitter So yeah, pretty much every woman that's spent any time on here would have absolutely anticipated that reasoning.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 02:17 AM
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I think you're infantilising women to suggest they just didn't think about for 30+ years because society told them they could have careers. I mean, come on. It's more likely timing issues, finances, not meeting the right person. If a woman wants a baby that badly she will make it happen. If it doesn't matter that much she won't prioritise it. It's a simple as that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 02:12 AM
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Women past a certain age are damaged and emotionally crushed?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 02:00 AM
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Not really - being told that being self sufficient is a good thing. Which it is, quite obviously. No one wants to be dependent and at the mercy of others. If women's urge to have children were as strong as the red pill suggested. A couple of generations of encouraging them to self actualize wouldn't trump it. The issue is it isn't as strong as they seem to want it to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 02:00 AM
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"I don't date women that age but not for the reason women here would think" proceeds to immediately list the reason women here would think you'd say I've not seen what you're speaking about tbf. It's funny how only men seem to know of women like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 01:49 AM
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There's an initial arc but it doesn't mean they're in the same category. I can't claim heat resistant ability or a degree in the theory of biological combustion because I dipped my hand into boiling water for 0.5 seconds whilst wearing oven gloves.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 02:49 AM
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If all you care about is "getting chicks" (I'm guessing for short term). That doesn't really say much. You're not trying to understand, you're trying to "conquer" using social tactics. If you aim is just to "get chicks" without understanding them, obtaining actual raw female desire or really giving much of a toss about anything outside of gaining a notch and avoiding jail time then we're arguing different things. The guys I know that get chicks AND have good relationships with them are never red…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/26 01:16 AM
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You're doing it again. "Its not that womens advice is bad, its just all advice is bad and contradictory." You are evading the point and thus deflecting. Not outright agreeing with your reductive and absolutist statement on women's advice isn't deflection. It's nuance and honesty on my part. Ah so "its not women give bad advice, its just men get confused by women's good advice because women don't care about looks the way men do..." No lol. Stop strawmanning me. I'm not downplaying looks as import…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 11:31 PM
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I didn't read it all but I did scan and it's more than likely the standard "male primate reproductive strategy makes more sense to me as a male primate so any society that doesn't revolve around it and privilege it at the expense of others is bad and evil" Bonus points for the false equivalence of "any action by a woman I don't like is rabid toxic feminism in action".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 06:22 PM
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So your response is "its not that womens advice is bad, its just that all advice is bad..." Thats just dodging accountability by deflecting. Not exactly. Just advice from people is just less reliable compared to learning through general cultural absorption. It will always seem inconsistent and contradictory because individuals aren't representative of huge chunks of the population. Do you agree that womens "advice" is bad because it is mostly virtue signalling, and "idealistic poetry," rather th…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 05:58 PM
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Only because I didn't directly try to hamfist obligatory answers into it, it doesn't mean there isn't truth or a point in there.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 05:06 PM
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I disagree still. There may be a grain of truth in it somewhere but something that understood at a fundamental level wouldn't exist within an otherwise completely distorted idea space. They can be found anywhere. Mind you, most of what I've seen of red pill (Rollo Tomassi, Fresh and Fit, various podcasts) is that it is a conservative and patriarchal belief system at it's foundation. They look down on women and resent that they even having to obtain their desire in the first place - that's why th…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 04:31 PM
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Okay sure, but the rest if my comment still stands. Even if you could prove to me it "worked" initially through using various social tactics I still dispute the longterm effectiveness, the positive impact and the actual understanding of what women want at a fundamental level beyond getting a notch on your belt.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 04:16 PM
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So, anecdotal. Gotcha. Well, even if I take your word for it, I don't think the idea is entirely unfeasible. If the goal is to exploit current social dynamics to leverage power in your favour or strong arm and manipulate women, for example. I don't know how sustainable that would be though. I don't think it is something that fixes, truly understands or positive effects male-female dynamics at a core level however. Not by a long shot.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 04:06 PM
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According to who?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 04:02 PM
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Not what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 04:01 PM
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Advice in general doesn't work because people are individuals, not hiveminds. The way we learn about the world in general is through osmosis. As the culture has been so titled toward male perspectives for so long women know what men want more than vice versa and it will remain that way unless culture actually changes from the top down for a consistent enough amount of time to be absorbed through incoming generations.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/03/26 03:29 PM
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Why would they if they're against it? Why would they if they think the right to vote is simply a human right of an adult within a democracy? Why not just oppose war and the draft in the first place? Plenty of democratic societies do not list this as a requirement and particularly a requirement to vote.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/26 11:12 PM
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That isn't misandry, particular "on this sub".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/26 02:22 PM
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Okay then? I mean I disagree with the premise but you can feel however you wish.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 04:16 PM
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Women (of all ages mind you, I see more younger women speaking out about this) actually just find it fundamentally dehumanising and completely counter to female sexuality which is more romantic and interpersonal. We aren’t gorillas, choosing someone primarily based on some surface level evolutionary drive just seems so unsexy, unflattering, objectifying and antisocial on a human level.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/26 04:09 PM
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There are some men that genuinely hold all these contradicting views. Like the Fresh and Fit guys, for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/26 01:27 AM
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Why doesn’t society “allow this”? Men have controlled society for centuries, they could have made it so but no - because they had the power they decided they shouldn’t have to waste time beautifying themselves because they could just coerce women into relationships for said woman’s own survival. As if you made that into a woe-is-men argument, geez louise, lol
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 11:26 AM
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Back to OP we go. Men's ideas of attractiveness don't often correspond with women's. If you think this is anywhere near to the sexualization women get then you're off your rocker.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 04:02 AM
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Last 5 centuries at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 03:50 AM
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Because men have not been socialised to exude sex appeal or beauty since ancient Greece. Apparently that's women's fault I'll bet. Not thousands of years of patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 03:49 AM
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So you're just going to skip over everything I've said to parrot your preconceived deterministic view on women that absolves yourself, culture and society of self reflection or questioning? Oh, and the porn-brained "women are all lesbians" is a nice bonus.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 03:25 AM
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"Looksmaxxing" for men is a relatively new thing. Women have been "looksmaxxing" for generations at this point and we got our ideas of what was attractive by listening to men since they ran society. Men get their ideas from also listening to other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 03:08 AM
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Because straight men have an idea of what is attractive different than straight women? And are therefore both more likely to embody it and show recognition toward it? Just like how women notice nice nails on a woman whereas men don't see or care?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/26 03:00 AM
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Male sexuality is over exposed culturally and lacks the same humanistic interpersonal values more common in the more demisexual female sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 11:24 AM
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Overexposed sure, sensory and low interpersonal and emotional aspects fi it, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 08:35 AM
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Could you give me some examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 10:35 PM
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How many women actually genuinely say this? And not just in anger?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 09:03 PM
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Beauty is coded female culturally due to patriarchy. You reap what you sow.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 10:10 AM
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Women don't view male porn in the same way men do. Don't believe any marketing campaign from a pornsite that says any differently. Yeah, men like archetypes and familiarity to some extent, also the "attainable" image, but will absolutely tear Riley Reid to shreds in the next breath. Women very rarely hate on men they find attractive in the same way, because they need a certain level of narrative emotional attachment and respect for them to even feel attraction. You don't get women saying "I watc…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 02:45 PM
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Women's "porn" and sexuality is heavily narrative depended. The narrative surronding it needs to have meaning just beyond the sex itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 02:09 PM
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Not in the same way as men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 02:08 PM
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They don't value the disconnected animalistic sex represented in men's porn. Sex has to mean something.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 12:19 AM
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No one is "ideal" but there's better matches than others. Actually finding the right person is pretty damn hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 12:18 AM
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Women like sex just in a different way.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/26 12:17 AM
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There's a difference but they're still far from ideal.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 11:09 PM
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That's why I say "the right woman". If someone likes you for you, some statistic on paper with no moral consequence wouldn't be a deal breaker. People need to stop thinking about how they're going to attract everyone and how they're going to attract the right one for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/26 01:37 AM
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Women actually look in the mirror and question whether they're hot enough to get a reaction from themselves to gauge whether the people they date will. Men seem to think "ewwww men gross and stinky" and then wonder why women aren't attracted to them either.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 02:44 PM
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Feminists often talk about the female gaze. It's just media is still male dominated and women have been sexually repressed for so long they're still trying to figure out what that would look like. It will never land as hard as the male gaze because when that was constructed men made like 100% of all staff in media production. Women will never have that monopoly even with egalitarianism.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 08:27 AM
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You mean he wants women to have men's sexuality. If women had men's sexuality, they would never date men. Be the person you'd want to date. If you find you and other men "gross", that's your first issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 08:23 AM
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Men created this problem though by oversexualizing women and undersexualizing themselves. Coding beauty female culturally while calling themselves "gross" and ignoring any self care beyond the bare minimum or representation as beautiful or sexy on art since maybe Michalangelo's time.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 05:07 PM
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I think the point was that his example was so hyper specific and unsubstantiated.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 01:27 AM
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No, it's fine IMO. My little sister just turned 28 and is a virgin. My husband had sex with one person before I met him (he was 29) as long as you don't make it your whole personality or project outward insecurity about it, the right person won't mind and casual partners probably won't even know. A true "red flag" is something that is morally reprehensible, suggests bad character or abusive behavior. Something that being a virgin doesn't conclude on it's own in any, way, shape or form unless you…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 01:16 AM
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"Ask any left leaning woman that posts woke stuff on Instagram and watches Hasan Piker" Great supporting evidence there.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 09:55 AM
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Look, it isn't going to happen. In the past, women took care of the home at the expense of have being able to have financial freedom. In a capitalist system, where money equals autonomy and power, this left women at a huge objective disadvantage. You can't just ignore that part when considering this topic because it is a huge barrier surronding the moral and functional reality. If we entirely ignore the moral implications - this same capitalist system, that requires constant growth and competiti…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 12:39 AM
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Reread what I said. Regardless of whether you think that, this post did nothing to prove that as these specific dynamics were coerced and forced by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/26 07:43 AM
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This isn't naturally though. This is by force and societal coercion therefore it is a terrible example.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 08:43 PM
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Why everyone has to always say "yes it's submissive but that isn't bad". Why does everyone need to assure everyone that submission isn't bad? It isn't just you who gave that clarifier in this thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 08:43 PM
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Why does submission always have to be qualified as "not bad", I wonder?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 04:40 PM
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Cock and balls. Nothing else.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/26 12:11 AM
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You mean rich men historically have disenfranchised other men and forced women into relationships with them, which women played along with for survival?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 10:09 AM
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There is no visual pornography that has actually successfully catered to women. There isn't the money put into it nor a good enough understanding of female sexuality by men to produce it. I already told you to stop trying to judge women by male porn preferences. Just like how you brushed off erotica written by women because you don't understand it, you can't hamfist the reverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 10:06 AM
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Written erotic by women is either hetero or gay male. Lesbian only makes up a small percentage. And its narrative based and romantic with themes like love, obsession, power dynamics, soul mates etc. Sex has to mean something. Men have to actual be attractive and not disconnected dicks or self inserts for the male viewer.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 09:15 AM
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Nothing on a male pornsite. Despite what they tell you. Women find it gross and shallow. Just like you probably find written erotica by women boring and incomprehensible.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 09:12 AM
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Wouldn't say "oppressed" but we still do live in softcore patriarchy, by the definition of the term.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/26 01:11 AM
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Answered both of those. Pornhub "statistics" are a marketing campaign that are blatantly misrepresented for the reasons I explained to appeal to their core audience. Askwomen isn't data but I told you how women go along with this either as a commentary of how bad male oriented porn, to gas up the female performers or because they take this bad so called "data" at face value like you and try to articulate why it may be a thing. This is such a porn-brained take. Men need to realize that women don'…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 11:27 PM
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If there was a true patriarchy, women would have never been allowed to have one. That in and of itself proves there is no patriarchy. That doesn't make sense. Past oppression isn't just erased the moment a right is granted lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 10:54 PM
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Look at the French revolution.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 10:47 PM
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The idea that women watch a lot of lesbian porn is a myth perputatued by male porn sites like pornhub because they lump lesbian in with the straight demographic stats and not gay male. Giving the impression that women uniquely watch lesbian porn when gay porn would rank high in the men's viewership category too if they included it (gay/lesbian are huge umbrella categories compared to smaller sub categories like big tits or bdsm that probably make up a percent each of the overall rankings). It's …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/26 10:26 PM
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Yes, not a matriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 05:53 PM
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You could say everyone considers women more beautiful due to culture pushing that narrative. But i dont even fully buy this as i think your premise is entirely flawed. But men and women's porn is different. If you try to judge women by male porn and sexuality, you're going to end to confused, but you won't have figured out female sexuality by the end of it. In the reverse, and using your same logic, you could argue on the flip side that men are more romantically attracted to men despite being vi…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 07:00 PM
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Men project their sexuality rather than internalising sexuality like women have. Its mostly due to men controlling the societal and culturally narrative. It will adapt as more women contribute to culture and have a voice and as more men learn to internalise female preferences without first asserting their own biases.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 06:52 PM
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Hahaha oh give me a break - video format porn found on pornsites isn't even by women or for women so I don't know why you're wracking your brain about it so much. We don't view it in the same way men do. You're starting your argument from the wrong entry point to begin with. Look at fanfiction and erotic novels. Most of those written by women and are usually straight or about two men. This is like men saying they prefer to read the gay novels over the straight ones written by women if they had t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 06:44 PM
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If a woman was truly straight she could easily find a male porn star to watch that she was attracted to. Even if they were visually attractive, their entire presentation and demeanor is not made to appeal to women. Its made to not threaten men or to be a self insert. Anyway video format porn found on pornsites isn't even by women or for women so I don't know why you're wracking your brain about it so much. We don't view it in the same way men do. You're starting from the wrong line to begin with…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 02:42 PM
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Sexuality in general is stupid and complicated. Men have been taught to he more black and white but go to ancient Greece or male prisons and this all changes. Oh and - "Why do some straight men have sex with other men"' https://news.ubc.ca/2021/03/why-do-some-straight-men-have-sex-with-other-men/ The reason you call it stupid is because you're used to seeing male as default to everything, so anything outside of you limited perspective sounds like an aberration. Men are not as straight as they cl…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 02:36 PM
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Gay men have chosen to be gay despite all this propaganda and have to prove they're actually gay in order to be accepted so they go hard in the opposite direction and dig their heels in when they are asked. And it isn't all women who think like what you said. It's probably just some who are effected and their conscious mind hasn't overriden what's going on. However, you do find gay men more interested in women's bodies than lesbians are with men's, don't you?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 11:35 AM
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There ya go. Proving my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 11:31 AM
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And whenever there is a rare voice of reason telling men what women really find attractive, you all do your best to shout them down. You mean someone who is affirming your biases?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 11:31 AM
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You hear more complaining these days due to globalisation, the internet and social media. Simple as that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 09:01 AM
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They don't try and understand. They project like mad and ignore women and call them liars if it doesn't meet their preconceived notions.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 08:52 AM
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There you go. You're doing it. Men are not socialised to be attractive or exude sex appeal at a fundamental level. Even men call themselves "gross" but are shocked when women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 08:49 AM
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Yes I understand them and this is the recoil of issues feminists have been complaining about for decades such as the oversexualization of women. Women are the "prize" and their wants and desires are not considered or met because men have not been socialised to meet them. It's a double edged sword and unless you consider both these sides you're just going to be arguing with yourself and blaming it all on the opposite sex to satisfy your need to absolve yourself and make sense of things you don't …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 08:44 AM
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Hey I checked it out. I do think women are socialised to experience more fluidity than men to some extent but it is social more than biological. Beauty and sex appeal is coded a female trait in our society. I think men are equally likely to experience more fluidity under the right circumstances (take the ancient Greeks and in prison populations). Although I do believe the extent is both overstated and infact even encouraged by society for women. This is an example how oversexualizing of women ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 07:59 AM
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No one is 100% straight. Men of the past (and still to this day unconciously) know this. That's why the amplified the beauty and sex appeal of women until those traits became synonymous with the female sex and completely desexualized men to the point they consider men "gross"(being gay being a "sin" and all according to their religious doctrines). They just didn't bank on this persistent cultural narrative effecting women's psyche. Or didn't care until this point and now are all confused and stu…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 06:48 AM
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Yeah it's hard for you to understand because you don't live in a society where the reverse is true and men are considered the beautiful/sexy ones by default. If you lived in ancient Greece, you'd probably view things completely differently. You might view fluidity of sexuality as weird or hard to understand but I'd say rigidity of sexuality is just as strange and unnatural, to be fair. I think no one is 100% straight. And entirely a construct of the society and environment in which you live. Tak…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 06:25 AM
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They're more likely to associate women with sex and sexiness since our society does but find the idea of engaging themselves sexually or romantically as unappealing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 06:22 AM
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To deny this is akin to denying the sky is blue, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 12:24 AM
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A thread on Reddit isn't much evidence. But I'd wager the psychology behind it may be that women have been objectified and sexualised so much culturally that it effects the way they view themselves and other women - and that they are more likely to see women in a sexual light despite not actually being attracted to them. Men on the other hand, for the last few centuries (separate from ancient Greece and Rome), have be taught to view homosexuality in any form as unmasculine. Which is crazy. What …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/26 12:00 AM
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Sure it is 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 08:18 PM
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"You've read many accounts" is anecdotal. I have seen women who don't realize how ridiculously flawed those stupid commerical "pornhub analytics' are try to tie themselves in knots trying to justify it why it might be a thing, which is always funny. It isn't just men that get duped by it's inaccuracy and biased framing. But women who claim they watch it are - wait for it - not actually as "straight' as they claim It's a well-observed phenomenon that women are more attracted to women than men are…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 06:14 PM
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That was my example. If women didn't comform to male expectations historically, they'd be risking their survival and well-being.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 05:58 PM
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When have women ever taken men's preferences into account? When they were forced to under patriarchy and we are all a product of our recent history. First man looks deformed. I don't even think a woman with a deformed skull would he attractive to men either.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 05:55 PM
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Thing is, men do "looksmaxxing" but base it off their own perspective if attractiveness and hypermasculinity, not women's preferences. Women have been socialised for generations to fit into the male gaze perspective of beauty. Beauty has been coded feminine in the west by the same systematic biases.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 05:47 PM
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He has a point when he says women aren't attracted to men. The most popular category of pornography for women is lesbian. People say that's because the attention is on women and not men like in most other categories... fine, but it still proves an important point. In no situation would your average man EVER watch gay porn, even if it was all that existed. Because straight men are deeply attracted to women, and that's what they're there for. I don't have to time to respond to all of this but this…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 05:15 PM
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Coming close still isn't the same thing as all the presidents up to this point being male. Majority of directors, produces, judges, governors, CEOs being male. Please look af the big picture. You cannot deny men still hold most positions of power and therefore we live in a structural definitional patriarchy. And if every single leader became a woman tomorrow it wouldn't be a patriarchy but it would be a new and very rare phenomenon it long history of patriarchy so it would be very strange and so…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 04:12 PM
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No. I was talking about mass shootings comment he made making no sense, if you read back.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 04:08 PM
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Doesn't require notable physical strength over the other to use.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 03:52 PM
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Are you being serious here? Women are too weak to use guns?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 03:51 PM
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My point was about targeting based on sex and gender. Not general bad things people do.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 03:50 PM
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Entirely subjective and manmade btw. By human nature women would be submitting to men, like in all other species with similar dimorphism (where males are much bigger, heavier, stronger and more capable). "Equality" requires an unnatural system, full of unnatural efforts and punishments in order to keep men from forcing their will on women. No it wouldn't. Our closest genetic ancestors (along with chimpanzees) are bonobo chimps and they are matriarchal. And with bonobos, the males are physically …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 03:47 PM
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You realize that makes no sense, yes?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 03:45 PM
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It's not that deep lmao, most of the time it's just another thing that takes accountability off of women. Also it's a pretty popular belief in older generations(45y.o.+) as well and these men still have wives and love them. Maybe those men aren't the ones that think that or the women are hoodwinked into believing it themselves. Also this isn't an individual man issue. It's an issue used to systematically hold women back and disenfranchise them. Women who aren't educated for example would both be…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 03:28 PM
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Guns equalised the playing field yet men still commit a considerably amount more gun violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 03:12 PM
2

What about mass shootings?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 03:10 PM
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So the only thing stopping women from commiting mass shootings is their physicality?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 03:10 PM
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So many people here don't understand the definition of the word patriarchy and its getting annoying. It doesn't mean "men have it easier", it means a system where men hold most of the positions of power.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 02:55 PM
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Men are in power as they started in earlier times when situation was different. And that's how patriarchy persists. Whether you believe this version of patriarchy favours men or not it doesn't change that it is a patriarchy definitionally and that is bound to come with innate biases and blindspots despite these efforts (and potentially overcorrections) to ensure otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 02:39 PM
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Patriarchy isn't a myth. It is a society run primarily by men. Not every single man but where men occupy the majority of positions of power.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 02:24 PM
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Internet is a large place, but most public platforms ban such men on sight. But not women. Not from what I've seen. All of this misogynist rhetoric is all over tiktok, YouTube, X etc. I see it all the time. No. As example, the right to vote for president in the US is not and never has been universal, is directly enjoyed ONLY by 538 persons, and is denied entirely to citizens of territories (despite their MEN being subject to draft). Thus, women's constant whining that they couldn't even vote doe…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 02:20 PM
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So does misogyny. Yes, we know patriarchy harms men too. The difference is the most pernicious examples of both come from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 02:02 PM
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"Kill all women", "all women are disgusting", "all mothers are disgusting child abusers", ... "woohoo women are going extinct, finally, mother nature knows best!!!" - I forgive you if you aren't aware, but all of these are gender-swapped somewhat paraphrased actual viral social media posts, comments, and snippets of op-eds made in the last 10-15 years. Someone gave this content its hundreds of thousands of reposts and likes. And it were not men. Yes, simular hateful rhetoric by men is found all …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 02:00 PM
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You did nothing to dispute it and neither has anyone else in this thread. OP point directly suggests this is what women are doing that is so terrible and unjust.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 01:34 PM
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Actually it was society correctly regulating womans sexual instincts which are inherently hypergamic, leading to the unbalanced sexual market place we see today. What does that mean? Men oversexualizing women and disregarding their mate choice is correct? According to who? You and your dick? Your emotions? There is no amount of "effort" that will make the average man attractive to the average women, because women biologically always want "better" where as males are attracted to and appreciate a …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 01:31 PM
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Hahahaha it's another "Misandry is just a response to thousands of years of misogyny!!!!!!" type of bullshit. Misandrist women were born in the easiest time for women in history, History should never just be forgotten. History is an important teacher than prevents humans from making the same mistakes and makes us aware of a social-psychological blindspots. Also history still influences societies even today. We are a product of the and a lot of are attitudes and systems were inherited from them. …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 01:26 PM
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That isn't direct proof of misandry at all? Not to mention is it proof of misandry perputatued by women. You could ignore any family court bias is based on outdated gender expectations of patriarchy. Most judges are men. Also family courts give 50-50 custody most of the time. They majority are settled outside of court. So, when misandrist policies, created by feminists, are corrected to make them fair, male suicide drops by 9%. But… feminists won’t allow this to even be discussed, let alone roll…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 12:56 PM
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Men are more likely to be victims of all sorts of violence besides sexual (ironically because of how much more female bodies are valued by men, compared to how much male bodies are valued by women). It's not an issue with hate towards some gender but a result of the natural advantage men have in strength over women, and socialization that leads to men being more prone to use strength to achieve any goal, not necessarily to assault a woman. actively conspire against their human rights and have de…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 12:45 PM
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Misogyny is punished because it is much more likely to lead to actual murder and forcible oppression of women. How is that hard to understand?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 12:34 PM
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But someone saying that women are dumber and less capable doesn't mean that they hate them lol. Yes it does. And it is a more pernicious form of hate as it is directly devaluing women to justify their active mistreatment and loss of freedom and rights. This is a far worse form of hate than simply ignoring someone. What part of that is hard to understand? Would you rather be beaten up everyday and forced to give you lunch money to the school bully or simply ignored by them?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 12:31 PM
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Quote the part to me where they directly prove this. Indeed - misandry is far more deadly. You haven't price that it is misandry yet but my response would be to take it up with the patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 12:22 PM
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The only reason they're even saying this is because women refuse to give these to them voluntarily. They don't hate women the same way misandrists hate men. Maybe the misandrists hate men because men hate women for not conforming to their expectations of sex and servitude and have allowed a violent patriarchy to persist for centuries based at least partly on this fact?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 12:03 PM
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1) Ignoring something is not the same as actively causing or doing it 2) You'd have to prove their ideologies are actively causing men to die at work and commit suicide. Like, men were most likely to die at war prior to women having rights. You can blame misandry for that but it was in a system set up by men. So that would he misandry perputatued by other men. Even if you could prove that was the motive it still isn't anywhere close to being like femicide where it is men actively and directly ki…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 11:52 AM
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No, it doesn't. Femicide is the direct killing of women by men, or women being murdered for being women. That posts points of male suicide, workplace death etc. That isn't the same thing at all. Not saying it isn't sad or an issue but it clearly isn't the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 11:37 AM
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Feminists have no problem with bisexual men? Uh no they don't? Unless you're talking about how some straight women say they won't date bi men? Which is apparently comparable to rape, pedophilia, murder and forcibly removing someone's human rights? Do you guys HEAR yourselves?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 11:32 AM
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Femicide is much more common. What are you on about? Please come back to reality, not feelings and what is said on reddit. You guys have to be taking the piss here. No way you actually believe what you are writing.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 11:28 AM
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Most misogynists don't hate women but they're more likely to murder, sexual assault them and actively conspire against their human rights and have deprived them human rights historically and globally? Attraction combined with hatred seems far, far more dangerous. Not to mention that I don't even agree with your premise of women not being attracted to me. Obviously. Because it is stupid. They're just not attracted to every man The worst the average woman does is ignore men. Absolutely insane post…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/26 11:23 AM
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The data is biased in it's presentation. That's why we got this "(straight) women like lesbian porn" myth to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 06:03 PM
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The idea that women watch a lot of lesbian porn is a myth perpetuated by male-directed pornsites like pornhub by the way they present their data. They lump lesbian stuff in with the "straight" category but completely separate the gay male content in the stats. If gay male was included it would appear many men watched gay porn too due to the breadth and size of the category vs smaller subcategories like ebony or bdsm.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 06:01 PM
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What studies show married women are happier? Could you direct them to me? But my main issue with study is that it could have an effect on impressionable young people and I think it will lead to more isolation and loneliness in our society. I'm worried about people being told to do things to serve the agenda of those posting and distributing these so-called studies. It happens on both sides. It's up to everyone themselves to decide what will make them happy and that generally is by gravitating to…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 09:22 AM
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Unless you list what should be taught, we cannot identify the utility.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 09:12 PM
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-childless single women are the happiest demographic I take that one with a pinch of salt because I believe that was an opinion piece. I think happiness is up to the individual. I think that was to counteract the miserable cat lady trope which is equally unsubstantiated. -about 30% of men would rape a women if they had the chance to do so without consequence Not heard that one before but it wouldn't completely surprise me given our evolutionary past. Since I've not heard it though I can say for …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 03:50 PM
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I didn't read all that so correct me if I am wrong, but I'm going to assume it is a complaint that some social science data can be somewhat unreliable. That isn't unique to feminism nor a debunking of the moral idea of feminism. Nor does it dispute other data based arguments from feminists such as the issue of male violence and sexual exploitation and assault. Feminism as a moral concept remains rational and logical regardless of what individual feminists do or don't do.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/26 03:21 PM
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Indeed they do. That's the power of cultural influence. The capitalist system we live under was developed under patriarchy. Young actresses and models were exploited at a time where men made up entire industries at management level. This set a precedent for the young women of the world who grew up seeing what the system valued and wanted them for and what got them ahead.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 11:44 AM
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Although lasting cultural impressions persist in our collective psyche.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 04:55 PM
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I mean it originated through patriarchy, not that you created it.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 08:24 AM
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Men didn't have to worry about all that under patriarchy. They set up a system where women's mate choice didn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 08:23 AM
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Difference is men objectified themselves as all those things under patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/26 01:40 AM
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Having sex with men can be seen as traditionally masculine if you top.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 09:19 PM
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Nice fanfiction you wrote there. You're way overthinking this. Have you done the same for black and lgbtq equal rights movements yet?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 08:28 PM
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Um? Why would he be angry about that? Are you angry when you hear that your male friends are having sex too?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 02:17 PM
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I think they mean overly bulky gym bro meatheads. Not muscular definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/25 10:28 PM
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Yes. If we look at the bonobo model they have way more sex than in standard patriarchal primate societies
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 04:43 PM
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Who says we need those relationships in private residences? That wasn't always a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/25 01:25 PM
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With bonobos, they form all female coalitions to stomp out any individual male aggression. It could work but it would require systematic set up. Say women controlled all firearms, systematic power and used that systematic power to culturally enforce strong female bonds and fractured male ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/25 11:44 PM
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I'm not pro sex work despite being blue pill. I'm not against it entirely, but think it should be something we as a society step away from.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 03:38 PM
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You made the claim, burden of proof is on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 09:31 PM
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Any data or just your feels (patriarchal socialization)?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 09:26 PM
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That's the issue. Some men think their view on sex is the only valid definition of sex and, when criticised, means feminists are against all sex lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/25 05:29 PM
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Raised religious and a massive introvert. With the introversion being the biggest factor imo. She is left/Liberal btw, although not extremely political. She has a distant desire but it is by not means a priority.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 03:37 PM
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No he is 100% right. You are just blind to your own social engineering. Some people are.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 05:20 AM
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My little sister is 27, a virgin and pretty.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 05:16 AM
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Depends on what the standards are and how much you think women should be expected to abide by them (like thinking women should be punished or have their right revoked for not meeting them).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/25 01:07 AM
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You can absolutely find beauty where there wasn't before by love alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 08:07 AM
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Women often need a story behind all visuals to hit go. The less visually appealing, the stronger the story needs to be. Not entirely mental when you think about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 09:34 PM
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Women's preferences are culturally undefined. That's why.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 09:33 PM
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My interpretation is it's more about entitlement over women's bodies and how they should be portrayed. This can be gratuitous male gaze in media or telling women they should cover up and wear a full Burqa. It's more systematic than strictly an individual problem and a by product of male dominated societies.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 06:48 PM
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100% he does. He is very humanistic. He reads hearts, not numbers. And his strength and confidence in his insight trumps any fear and desire to control others' journey in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 11:28 AM
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I had a hoe phase but now very happily married and happy in life with everything. I've met women who never had one and are single at 30+. Blows your mind, doesn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 11:08 PM
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Without friends. My husband is my best friend and I'm a huge introvert that doesn't require many friends and have three sisters that could fill that gap anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 05:50 PM
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Men and women are different and all that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 06:47 AM
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You guys are so black and white. Don't you know there are women in the middle? With feminist values but also value a traditional dynamic for themselves. Why can you guys never see shade of grey? There's positives and negatives to both. Why should feminism collectively cater to your radical view of facial inadequacy and what would you want them to do about it?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 12:11 AM
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The stories aren't about "gay men", they're about men being gay together.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 04:34 PM
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Because he asked and I'm a nice person.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 05:00 PM
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Yeah but it is men that are perpetrating the violence. That's the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/09/25 03:55 AM
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When the argument is made that men are becoming isolated, I feel a pang of sorrow. The second violence comes up in a way that sounds to be almost preemptively justifying it, then the argument loses credibility in my eyes and I don't think I'm alone Thing is though, just from you own post, this isn't all women though, is it? You said yourself that you do not want to date a woman your age with a different lifestyle experience. Women might not be compromising but the same men saying this aren't eit…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 04:21 PM
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Your conclusion is the question of whether men will get violent followed by "interesting times ahead" (strange follow up but I think I get the vibe you were going for).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 04:05 PM
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Oh yay another "date men or they'll get violent" passive threat with the added "interesting times" clarification ("I'm not bothered about this at all. This is nothing but theatre to me!! is his secret revenge fastasy I'll being sipping a latte during the revolution! Don't shoot the messenger")
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 03:53 PM
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No. The definition of patriarchy is "a system where men hold most power and women are largely excluded from it" That's literally the definition. It doesn't matter if it is only some men. What matters is that it is mostly men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 01:39 PM
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Patriarchy for centuries sent predominantly men to war, it was still patriarchy since men were overwhelmingly the hoarders and enforcers of power (the definition).
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 08:30 AM
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Proof?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/25 08:28 AM
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They make blanket statements about the patriarchy which is completely valid and affects men too. If you're not a man singing the praises of the patriarchy then you shouldn't be offended.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 09:38 PM
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This is an argument from young anxious men for generations. They automatically equate any actions they don't like from women as being the result of feminists when they're just individuals being individuals. If women having more freedom means they do more things you as men don't like, that's just a natural result. "Feminists" aren't a hivemind. They're various individuals and groups of people with their own interpretation of the idea of achieving equality. I agree with some and disagree with othe…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 07:45 PM
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Maybe they do. Have you spoken to every feminist on earth? Feminism is an idea, be and of itself. Individual actions however, are individual actions, and you don't get to just use them selectively to cement your own confirmation biases without more perceptive people noticing what you are doing. Do agree with the definition of feminism or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 07:33 PM
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In this thread you blame feminists as a collective for having beliefs or doing actions you don't like without any proof that the same feminists hold those contrasting views. You equate women doing annoying things automatically with feminism. That is your first issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/25 05:14 PM
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Everyone wants to be sexy. But do not relate or feel comfortable having an opposing sexual perspective imposed on them, especially against their consent.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/08/25 04:56 PM
1

Statistics please?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/25 10:27 AM
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So it is just a material thing that she gave you?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/25 07:12 PM
1

"Niceness" isn't the only emotion.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 07:58 AM
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Options isn't everything. In fact, too much attention can lead to choice paralysis. Men don't come with an alarm on them that rings when they're a good guy who is compatible with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 07:55 AM
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Understanding the male psyche isn't the same as always knowing the ever-adapting manipulation tactics to get in their pants, particularly when young. And women generally are pretty good at having caution towards this as well, hence why they're criticised for being stand-off ish in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 05:13 AM
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That's sort of different. They're decent at attracting men and understanding the general male desires. Not necessarily seeing through lies or manipulation, especially when young.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 05:07 AM
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Women are slightly better at understanding men since patriarchy floods culture, art and media with male perspectives. Women have seen men's inner most thoughts and desires for centuries.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 08:10 PM
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Based on feelings does not equal attractiveness based on "niceness". What a terribly reductionist view on the idea of emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 05:20 PM
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Yes it is. You don't decide who you are attracted to based on logic. It is based on feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 05:04 PM
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All attraction is emotional.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/25 04:56 PM
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What study?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/25 09:20 AM
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Men mock ugly women way more than the reverse, if you've ever been on the Internet lol. They just have lower standards for sex due to their drives.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 08:15 AM
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Men generally follow the same archetypes. That's why we have a this thing called conventionally attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 07:52 AM
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You can't just cherrypick a few out of context clips from a few evo-pysche attempts and call that evidence. This is the issue with people these days. They begin with a conclusion and they go out to build "evidence" by collaging soundbites from various psuedo-scientific and theoretical books and papers. Ridiculous
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 07:15 AM
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Men feel love but have to be attracted to the woman too, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 07:14 AM
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Wow, a guy on this subreddit that actually understands women. A rare find.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/25 07:09 AM
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Sexualization can be OK. HIGHLY DISPROPORTIONATE sexualization of one sex can be an issue because; 1) It effects how women view themselves and their role in society. Encouraging them to even self sexualized or develop body dismorphia which can lead to eating disorders and unnecessary surgeries. 2) It can alienate potential female fans from a hobby, decreasing the opportunity for girls to experience a variety of art and see themselves as being welcome in certain fields when they're older. 3) It c…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 09:24 AM
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Sexualization of women in pre-2010s film, TV and video games was utterly ridiculous though and totally one-sided. The entire industry was pretty much exclusively ran by men and women had every right to call it out. I actually think the oversexualization of women is one of the reasons men struggle so much with dating these days. They've totally, culturally, elevated women's sex appeal whilst completely negating their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 05:37 PM
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No, we are creeped out by desperation, entitlement and the general misogyny of the involuntary celibate community, of which it is known for.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 02:47 PM
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Yes you did. You suggested it was discrimination based on men for their natural state - a common incel argument. I suggested in could more so be a recoil against inauthenticity and manipulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 12:36 PM
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Or they want people to be themselves and not manipulate them?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 09:16 AM
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This isn't about being overweight. This is about being attractive to women. Why would women not want men to be attractive to them?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 03:58 PM
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Lol India, the country ranked 131st out of 148 countries on gender equality and consistently ranks as one of the rape capitals of the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 07:40 AM
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Women have progressed and built society throughout the entire scope of history. Died, suffered, built and bled for it. This argument spoon-fed to you by one of your red pill overlords is nothing but ragebait to stroke your ego and make you devalue women collectively.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 07:29 AM
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Dude, you're obsessed. All of your posts are copypastas of this one BS argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 07:26 AM
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Oh, a guy on here admitting that social norms play a role in behavior instead of just evolutionary biology. It's funny how often the goal posts are moved on where one ends and the other begins and when we should consider one and not the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 04:45 AM
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It doesn't. It's theoretical at best and self-confirming. If it was factual it wouldn't be called red pill. It would just be called science.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 04:42 AM
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You said red pill treats women as human. To do so, you need not of an entire ideology. Human biology should be enough for you to make a distinction and the rest should just be normal human interaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 09:41 PM
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Nah it's about saying women are bitches and it isn't your fault and giving you the OK to be a prick to them. It's comforting and appealing to men that have struggled with women in the past, hence why it is so sellable. That's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 06:29 PM
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Treating them like human beings is the opposite of red pill. They treat then so much like an alien species that they have a whole ideology and playbook around othering them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 06:27 PM
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Not it doesn't. It allows you to say "oh they're just bitches, its not your fault". Two very different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 01:41 PM
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Because red pillers seem to know the least about women and be the most angry at them from my almost 10 years of studying and interacting with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 01:40 PM
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Actions speak louder than words.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 09:06 AM
-6

I understand red pill well. Having been interacting with them and their beliefs for almost a decade.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 08:54 AM
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It also made me understand and accept women more. Doesn't sound very red pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 08:36 AM
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Value brought to the system? Well, women do most caring roles, produce less emissions and commit far less crime. Zero argument, just empty shaming tactics and appeals to emotion Nope, the entire psychological underpinning to your argument more like lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 03:37 AM
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You sound very far gone on the bullshit radicalisation metre but if any portion of the population disappeared the species would either have to adjust or die out. The latter being likely if that portion is the entirety of the other sex. Look, this argument (which I've heard before) reeks of insecurity and feeling unneeded by women so feeling the need to collectively bash them down to elevate your own ego. You don't need to do this, you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 08:18 PM
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As women gain more power and influence, human rights, social services and healthcare tend to improve... your point?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 06:04 PM
1

This is outright false. Nursing can be dirty and dangerous. Factory work can be dirty and dangerous. Child and elder care can be dirty and dangerous. Sex work can be dirty and dangerous. Motherhood can be dirty and dangerous. Heck, even 20-25% of the military is female and up to 30% of law enforcement. If women stepped out of their current roles, millions sre people would be at risk and the system would suffer massively. You have to be completely off your rocker to even being to consider otherwi…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 06:03 PM
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Useless jobs Like nurses, teachers, doctors, child and elder carers and around 50% of factory workers?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 01:00 PM
1

I agree everyone should be treat with respect but that doesn't mean targeted gendered violence is permissible. Especially when what is considered "respect" can differ immensely among men immersed in online misogynistic communities.
/r/MensRights28/06/25 08:57 AM
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Welcome to the club. Women have been listening to man talk and not liking it got centuries lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 05:24 AM
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I think gen Z are more so, more independent and less positive about age gaps. But that annoys people too so 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 02:02 PM
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Wait a minute, when do I get to play games? I did not really get to start dating, did not get to explore and to find what I like and don't like, because I was never good enough yet. This attitude in OP just creates a viscous cycle though. If men are going to say they prefer to use young women for their youthful looks and innocence and then toss them to one side then young women will often play the game just as hard and resort to this "I got mine" attitude. Another point is that young women are j…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 01:46 PM
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Men say this shit and then wonder why young women have this "I got mine" attitude towards them in reverse. Plus the Niagara Falls analogy sucks. Some people travel a lot as children with their families and some adults barely have at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 01:42 PM
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Yeah... everything is in men's hands and women are just objects. But try to suggest we're living in a patriarchy and the same men claiming this have fits...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 11:14 PM
1

I'm a woman who likes twinks but I'm also partial to a masculine 25-35 year old masculine man (like my husband aha).
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 04:45 PM
3

A LOT of feminists are anti-sex work. What are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 07:24 PM
2

Forgot to mention that those stories were also written by other men
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 03:25 PM
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Men who can't get sex aren't seen as ugly, their entilement/creepiness/obsession/cynicism/misogyny, if they exhibit it however, is.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 09:26 PM
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The age range has to cut off somewhere, no? How are they defining "young people"?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 03:37 PM
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What is "young"? 18-30? In that case, many 27-30 year old women could be dating outside of the range while still dating with the standard 2.3 years. Also 2.3 is the average but there are extremes, there's more women that date older than men that do, even if they're atypical, they're still significant enough to skew the statistics enough that you'd end up with the discrepancies you are speaking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 03:26 PM
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Because the novels involve actually context rather than just plain sex. Women want to know why they're having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 02:20 PM
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I mean duh. I'm surprised there's any women left on this sub, I've just been in this space too long that I've because a bit desensitised to it, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 10:14 PM
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Yes it is. It portrays sex in an animalistic way and removes all humanity and context which appeals more to men. The people featured in the videos are catered to men's visual preferences and most focus on the women, unless it is the gay section, then it focuses on the men, but again aimed at men I know when you're so used to something it can just seem like the natural default but the sex industry was created by and for men by a society where men's thoughts and opinions were implemented as the cu…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 09:59 PM
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Not porn, erotica or fanfic is usually what does it. It's my life goal to make a business catered towards women's sexuality in the same way porn caters to men's.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 10:48 AM
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Red pillers will get mad at this even though it is basically their ideology in reverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 09:08 PM
1

I alway thought objectification referred to the film theory that highlights how a lot female characters written by men tend to centred around their bodies and attractiveness to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 05:04 PM
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Well no as women are individual, not a hivemind and may not even recognise or understand their attraction to felon, if they are indeed attracted to one, nor may it be BECAUSE they're a felon.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 01:43 PM
1

I'm a young millennial on the cusp of gen Z with many gen Z girlfriends.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 06:57 AM
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Nor women in Tik Tok. I actually know real life young women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 06:57 AM
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Why so mad, bro? Yes money and status can attract women who are willing to compromise in other traits. But attract isn't the same as keep. Also, I find younger women tend to be into looks and their immediate social circle more so than other demographics.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 08:56 PM
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Dumb coping. Gen Z women are way more intolerant of age gaps than boomer women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 07:49 PM
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Because it's too over exposed and emphasised culturally to the point it gets tiring and feels dehumanising to the subject (women).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 07:58 PM
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I said they were more physically demanding and dangerous than a lot of male dominated jobs like tech, director, producer, camera man or advertising executive, among others. Which is true. Don't twist my words. I know you highlighted teaching as if the very thought is laughable but I think being a secondary school teacher is one of the hardest jobs in the fricken world, especially dangerous if you live in the States.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 02:48 PM
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No true. Nursing, teaching, cleaning and motherhood is more physically and dangeous than many male oriented careers that pay more such as anything on a computer.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 08:37 AM
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That was an explanation for you, not a reaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 08:26 AM
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Because that's rarely "applauded" but more often used to dismiss women from public life and call them emotional and therefore devoid of logic.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/25 11:05 PM
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You would if she was a virgin for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 05:43 PM
0

Disagree with what?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 01:13 PM
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Anti-equality or neutral?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 09:20 PM
0

Myron Gaines, that you?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 08:45 PM
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Wow, dude: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogynist_terrorism
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 01:38 AM
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Why are you on this subreddit then? Go to a MGTOW board.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 01:35 AM
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No. It's about women being at risk of violence. Yes, that is more important than men's feelings being hurt.
/r/MensRights31/03/25 06:37 PM
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What the fuck, you're really justifying murder because you "don't feel loved". That's a shitty excuse. The takeaway is to stop boys harming girls because innocent girls being actually physically harmed is more serious than your nebulous idea of "society" not appreciating you enough, somehow.
/r/MensRights23/03/25 09:25 PM
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Our past patriarchal leaders used to enforce monogamy despite having access to all of society's women. Many broke the vows obviously but some genuinely lived by them. They put unlimited privilege aside for the sake of loyalty and stability. Society was to some extent built on collective consideration. Unfortunately it's going the way of the dinosaur. Not really. Patriarchal leaders enforced monogamy for the low classes for religious reasons or to incentivise other men. It wasn't merely a selfles…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/25 12:19 AM
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Do you have any proof of that? Gay men dating culture is different from heterosexual. They're very open to hook ups and casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 08:56 AM
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I did. The top posts are always criticisms of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 07:02 AM
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Are you kidding? 90% of the posts here are men complaining about women, anything that so much as hints at a critique of men gets downvoted into oblivion. It's a fact this sub is male dominated and red pill leaning. A woman echoing their talking points back at them always does well on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 03:53 AM
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You're disputing the fact that gay men often have open relationships and marriages?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 03:52 AM
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Maybe yeah but also when gay men do get married, they often have open marriages, so there's less need to divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 03:24 AM
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To he fair, lesbians marry a lot more than gay men, I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 03:12 AM
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What are you talking about. It's a standard PPD post.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 03:10 AM
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I've said it again and I'll say it before; historical sexual repression of women has led them to be less intune with their baseline desires compared to men - this is not the same as them actively and maliciously lying about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 09:46 PM
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That's why it isn't the "truth" but a convinient ideology to elevate men above women. Similar to religion - there's so many parallels it's uncanny and is something men have been doing for millenia.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 09:31 PM
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Feminism is an academic theory of social science. White nationalism isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 12:00 PM
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Some might now, but them being baked into culture definitely has roots back to more patriarchal times where it was on women to attract men way more than the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/25 12:48 AM
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Maybe it feels like that, because women's "self improvement" has been baked into culture for generations that it doesn't even register as improvement anymore but as a natural extension of womanhood (beauty, fashion, body ideals, feminine mannerism etc). Basically, women's expectations for attractiveness have already been constructed around a male gaze, culturally. You may find these days women don't have to try as much and men need to try more and that can seem unfair in the immediate sense, but…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 10:34 PM
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PUAhate, as its name implies was entirely about shitting on PUA’s and “dating coach” types which, back then, RedPill was considered a part of. So, he was aware of TRP but rejected it (likely because it didn't work). Elliot Rodger did actually try to date before falling down the black pill rabbit hole.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 10:27 PM
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I'm almost certain Elliot Rodger was exposed to red pill ideas. He was very active online and frequented boards like bodybuilding.com which parroted a lot of red pill rhetoric. If I, a woman, who is the same age of him was very well aware of TRP back then, I find it hard to believe that he wasn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 10:12 PM
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Their ideas about gender dynamics and evolutionary psychology. They're cherry picked, interpreted through a subjective lense and full of confirmation biases.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 10:06 PM
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Feminism is a social science theory and real world activism toward gender equality in a world that has historically and globally subjugated women. The red pill is an ideology reinforcing patriarchal gender roles, that is, I think, trying to fill the gap religion left.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 08:58 PM
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Not a chance would any decent father have told you the shit Fresh and Fit and Andrew Tate have said.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 08:53 PM
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Red pill isn't reality. It's confirmation biases of angry men's opinions propped up by cherry picked data points and anecdotes. It works for you because it allows you to vent and blame women for your problems and tells you there's a secret hack towards success, which is comforting for an emotionally stunted mind. If you really needed misogynistic grifters to tell you that if she doesn't reciprocate she likely isn't magically going to change her mind or that you don't have to marry a single mothe…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 08:51 PM
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Yeah, "fuck us", and only us. She is right.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 10:46 AM
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Women are not wealth, goods and services. Completely different thing. 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 10:39 AM
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Also, the women in their 20s exercise well-founded caution in not committing to a man too early, lest they make a mistake in marrying someone who is abusive, lazy, or immoral. This reduces the pool of men that actually do want to marry them. When religion was stronger, men feared the wrath of God, and that kept many men away from vices such as drinking, gambling, lechery, sloth. Uh, I think it's less that and more they don't want to make the mistake of marrying someone they're incompatible with …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/25 10:33 AM
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Short, small PP, virgin, neckbeard, broke, dusty, fat, bald, etc Those are more so digs at what they know you care about more do than things they actively do. Then again, "not caring about looks" as a priority doesn't automatically follow someone wanting someone ugly and gross lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 04:12 AM
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Women seem to be very self-aware of their sexual preferences when it comes time to insult people on the internet. What do you mean by this? Logically, they are always aware of their preferences. I think you misunderstand the term "logically". Attraction isn't even a logical thing lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 12:28 AM
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I don't think men's sexuality wasn't ever repressed but the male perspective was sort of the overarching societal default for hundreds of years and women was sort of forced to adapt to that circumstance. Women nowadays are trying to forge out their own path - distinct of prior systems and it isn't so straightforward since deeply ingrained cultural ideas don't disappear overnight. I think your assumption that women are just virtue signalling over my contribution isn't any more logical, more so it…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 12:09 AM
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I think women's sexuality has been more repressed than men's culturally and historically on a macro scale, so women are less in tune to their baseline desires than men. I don't think they're trying to actively decieve, but trying to explore and explain in a way many men deem as too indirect.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 11:37 PM
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I think what women mean by that is they don't go only for looks. Which is kinda true. Women are visual but not in the same way men are. It isn't primal and all encompassing and is usually more holistic. Most women cannot get aroused by the sole image of an attractive man without added context but a man being attractive certainly helps in the equation. Then again, I often ponder how much is social and how much is biological.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 08:49 PM
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I think it depends on the age and personality type of the women you are speaking to.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/25 08:48 PM
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I'm not sure that's entirely true though because younger people now have higher divorce rates and it's widely considered because younger people change so much and grow out of relationships. The reason it "worked" in the past, I think, is because divorce was more frowned upon, not because people were marrying younger.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 11:37 PM
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The fact that you think they're happy hearing men being lonely because it will benefit them strategically suggests a much more actively calculated perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 11:35 PM
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So do you think if women married younger then dead bedrooms and divorce rate would be lower or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 11:01 PM
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I think you're overestimating how deeply women are thinking about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 10:52 PM
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I don't think it is women doing that independently, more so that transitioning from traditional ideals to equality takes time and people in general get inundated with conflicting ideas through their lives since the past and present exist simultaneously and influences one another in terms of societal outlook and perspective. We are not robots and completely resistant to these external influences. Most of us have dreams and ideals that exist alongside the practical, materially present realities an…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 09:32 PM
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Why is it empathy from women in particular that you want? If it's general loneliness then it's something everyone ought to have empathy for, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 01:22 AM
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Plenty of red pill say have a main girl for family and have side girls too.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 10:05 PM
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Oh sorry. They're temporary? Because I've heard red pillers say they're best for marrying and having kids with.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 01:14 PM
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Statistically they're much more likely to fail long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 12:53 PM
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Uh, what? Where did you get that?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 04:51 AM
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No one is 100% rational, 100% emotional though and I disagree that emotions are irrational for the very reason that they're a fundamental part of human decision making, therefore it would be irrational to disregard that entirely.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 03:43 AM
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Yeah that's why it is important to understand what people actually mean when they say "feelings based".
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 06:08 PM
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Depends what area of academia we're talking about. I've already spoke about how facts can be used disingenuously and cherry picked to present harmful worldviews. Since, as the article suggests, women dominant the arts and humanities where the discussion is more philosophical and theory-based, I think it's valid to question that method of doing just that. If it was a science like physics or a mechanical field, I doubt there is the same threat of so-called facts having an impact on real life peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 04:45 PM
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I think it is an interesting question. Does academia have an active Liberal bias or does high education just naturally lead people to adopt a more Liberal perspective? I don't know the answer to that but it always pops into my head whenever someone mentions that. I'd also like to make another point about "facts". Because facts are something that can be very easily misused. People can cherry pick all kinds of facts and frankenstein them together to present whatever worldview they want, in my opin…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 03:07 PM
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Who gets to decide what is best for human well being? That is a philosophical debate just like the question of unchecked freedom of speech. Neither are factual entities you can look at under a microscope in order to tell if they are "right" or "wrong". Opposing the consensual publication of knowledge with subjective, opaque reasoning is a core element of fascism btw. You’d get along with schools banning CRT books because “well it just isn’t right “ There you go. That's how philosophical ideas ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 02:34 PM
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The underlying concept that someone’s emotional response shouldn’t take priority over open exchange of ideas … that doesn’t seem less levered to feelings? Unquestioned freedom of speech isn't necessarily the quickest way to advance ideas. Unchecked freedom of speech can also lead to societal harm and the spread of misinformation. The other points are stronger too. Particularly that women ranked advancing knowledge beneath protecting emotional wellbeing lol Why is that "lol"? Do you really think …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 02:09 PM
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Yeah but being more emotionally driven doesn't automatically mean irrational. It's a preference that means you prefer to use emotions, value compassion or to adopt a person-centered approach over just facts on their own. This isn't a bad thing. A list of facts on their own without context do not provide the whole picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 01:29 PM
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I think what she meant is people can see themselves in those people so feel more inspired that they themselves are more capable of achieving. I think this has been well studied.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 10:49 AM
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People really misunderstand the terms "facts" and "feelings". They seem to think facts are simple indisputable universal truths (no, facts can change with more context and evidence. Any scientist would tell you that) and feelings are pissbaby tantrums that mean absolutely nothing. Truth is, both are incredibly important pieces of information, especially towards the structuring and development of our species. We need people to think and see beyond concrete "facts" and what is immediately tangible…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 10:37 AM
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0 and 1 are rare and correlation isn't causation. We don't know if them being virgins or only having one partner was the cause of the low divorce rate or if it was religious reasons or the people just got lucky and met "the one" early (high school sweethearts etc).
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 03:35 PM
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Didn't that same chart show women with a body count of 2 were a higher divorce rate than women with a body count of 8?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 09:33 AM
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I never once said women were exempt from perpetuating patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 09:50 PM
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A different topic all together. But the reason women don't work in those fields is cultural and social too. Or based on physical limitations or assumptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 09:49 PM
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I'm talking about how they still exist presently like men occupying more positions of power and influence and holding most wealth which is clearly due to patriarchy because we didn't start on a clean slate the minute we got equal rights, men already dominated wealth, power and influence. They were miles ahead in the race from the start.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 01:23 PM
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It doesn't change the fact that it is still men holding these positions mostly.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 01:22 PM
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But the structures still exist, tangibly, to ignore it would be to ignore reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 09:45 AM
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It's based on past structures favouring them because structures do not disappear over night or the moment you sign a piece of paper passing a law.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 09:40 AM
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Yes but that's 67 out of 400 which is like 16%, which is a minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 09:26 AM
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It may not be enforced, but it is structurally present. That's my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 09:25 AM
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No?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 08:52 AM
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It's, in my opinion, something to take into consideration. The system in place isn't a blank slate - male domination in these areas have been commonplace for generations and this, even unintentionally, breeds certain culture, attitudes and impacts socialisation. That sometimes justifies conversations as, if unchecked, there's a risk of these systems perpetuating themselves and can slow down or completely prohibit real, core change. But my opinion is separate to whether patriarchy in the west act…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 05:30 AM
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I think you guys fundamentally misunderstand what patriarchy means. I think you think it just means "women have it worse". It doesn't. The west is perhaps legally not a patriarchy but, structurally, it very much is as men hold most wealth, power and influence. Whether you think that is a good or bad thing or something we need to care about is beside the point. If men hold most hard power in society then it is structurally a patriarchy. That's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 03:32 AM
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The "women were happier" argument always gets me. If polls came out tomorrow that showed North Koreans were the happiest people on earth, would you suddenly want to revoke all your human rights and freedoms and move there?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 11:28 PM
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As a blue pill, I recognise human nature I just don't think it is as straightforward as TRP that tends to cherry pick what confirms their biases and ignore socialisation and individual differences for things like personality and preferences. That some guys are just born capable at getting women. Sure, but that's a combination of looks and extraversion more than anything. Oh and a big one is that passport broing works. I'm living proof of that. I don't think blue pill denies that it can work, jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 12:16 AM
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I mean, I think you are right but what red pill ideas do you actually agree with then? You've pretty much deconstructed some very core beliefs in this answer alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 11:20 PM
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I think you change the most from a teen to around 25. You change after that, sure, but you're overall much more stable and secure in who you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 02:08 AM
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But those are important considerations It's not something you can "disagree" on. It's fact. I don't agree with someone getting half of someone's retirement but I've heard that happen to plenty of women too.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 12:52 AM
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1) Initiating divorce legally doesn't mean you ended the marriage. 2) Women fair worse economically after divorce. 3) You guys agree that the world has changed from. traditional dynamics yet act like all the assets are yours and she is just freeloading when chances are you both work now and contribute to these things equally yet "taking half" is apparently horrifying?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 12:21 AM
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The fact that people change so much is the reason the average age of marriage has increased from like 20 to 28. Much less likely to change drastically after 25. So I guess marriage has adapted to new circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 11:30 PM
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If women don't value reproducing as much as you like, you have to examine the reasons why rather than just getting angry about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 04:18 PM
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Terrible? Or just personal preference? And how is it breaking anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 03:55 PM
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Well obviously, for them, finding their perfect partner is more important to them than their biological clock or not being lonely.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 03:26 PM
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I really don't think this is why society is "breaking". Most women that want to be in relationships, face reality sooner or later and make decisions based on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 02:27 PM
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I understand your frustrations but ragging on women for this doesn't seem to work. Dating is entirely optional, so this goes down as well as, I don't know, ragging on women for they weekly shopping list. It just illicits, "um, excuse me?" reactions. If women are delusional, they will have to eventually adjust if finding someone means that much to them. It will sort of deal with itself, in that regard, once reality hits.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 01:26 PM
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I got 18%. 3/5 cat litters on Future Cat Lady score. I'm already married though to someone that is actually above the level of expectations I was open to.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 01:18 PM
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Man (usually TRP): “this is how all women are! And it makes me angry because I feel rejected and denies me love which I desperately crave” Woman: “no, this is how all men are! And it makes me angry because I feel insecure about myself” What is this supposed to mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 01:10 PM
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1) I think "women are less visual" is an oversimplification. I think women are visual and being attractive certainly opens a door for men, but visuals alone aren't enough to ignite a fierce, lustful attraction, it's part of the overall equation. Female sexuality tends to be lot more holistic, it requires more context. If the context needs have been met, then women can find the mere visual image of a man irresistible. An evolutionary feature, most likely. 2) The word "emotional" gets misused so o…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 02:45 AM
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No but he was saying it like it was a trend among women, not just an example of a woman being shitty.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 10:20 PM
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Depends who you're talking about. Usually when you say "feminists" you're referring to something a woman said once that you didn't like.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 02:25 PM
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Uh, this is a once-married man, why are you bringing to black pill into this?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 01:36 PM
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It’s very common for divorced women who divorced their boring husbands (with no abuse/cheating from husband involved) to date around for some time and later try to come back to their boring ex-husbands. Is it? I've never heard that once in my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 01:23 PM
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That societal and cultural customs do not change over night and that equality takes time and effort to achieve.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 01:21 PM
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I don't know. You guys though - you seem mad that feminism isn't immediately able to transform every deeply ingrained social and cultural custom overnight - when that's exactly what feminists have been saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 12:25 PM
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Yeah it comes from the "women and children" effect that had been around for generations prior. There have been a lot of Ukrainian women fighting though.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 10:29 AM
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It's the "women and children" effect. People are more likely to see women (and children) as non-aggressors, particularly in times of war. But I use to hang out some NSFL/Liveleak spaces on here and there was never any difference in reaction if the video had a male or female victim, so I think you're overblowing it a tad.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 10:16 AM
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Sure but still. Anxious as you may be, it's still on you. If I don't apply for a job because I'm anxious, I can't then complain that I wasn't hired and then also blame the company because I chose to hang around the premises and they still haven't hired me even though I didn't suggest that I was interested. I agree with your points about making the first move and, in an effort to he true to my values, throughout my whole life, have initiated romantic relationships. If I was friends with a guy, it…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 01:45 AM
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I was under the impression that friendship was a universally positive thing while romantic and sexual interest was much more personal so they were different things. I mean I've never heard someone be offended by someone trying to be their friend, like I have people being offended someone has tried to get in their pants.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 12:00 AM
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Let me give you a tip; 95% of the time, if she is attracted to you or feels chemistry, it shouldn't take long for her to accept a date. If you've been "friends" months, chances are you are only friends. Unless you're ACTUALLY friends and feelings develop, this is almost always the case (almost).
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/25 11:57 PM
2

No. You literally just block and move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/25 09:43 PM
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Never said otherwise. But make your intentions known; you don't want to be friends if they're not interested romantically then you are done.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/25 09:43 PM
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Never said otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/25 09:42 PM
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Submissive or dominant depending on the context.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/25 09:41 PM
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I see objectification as more of a media thing where women are overwhelmingly portrayed in a sexualized way from a male perspective. It seeps into culture as sort of an oversaturation of the male perspective, which can be exhausting. And yeah some women like the validation of being beautiful and the monetary rewards. Definitely isn't all women though nor is it the same as general objectification. In fact, it's probably just a symptom of women's sexualization and women's attempt to get something …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 07:48 PM
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My husband has a lot of acne scars and he is still gorgeous. They fade over time plus you don't have to he perfect. Do you have nice hair? Eyes? Dress well? Also some women do like the more rugged look so you can lean into that. Women aren't a monolith I was mainly rebuttaling the ideas red pill push that ignore how much women like pretty boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 03:47 AM
2

Then say.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 03:45 AM
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I think talk about false rape accusations are a good thing. I just don't like how it is handled in a reactionary way and usually by anti-feminists - just as inconsistent as you're claiming women are being here. If these men dismiss feminists concerns about safety then you can't be annoyed that people are dismissing your reactionary concerns which are just as, if not more so, unlikely.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 12:46 AM
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Is it really so hard to accept that women want to be friends with men they aren't attracted to?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 12:44 AM
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Some examples; 1 2 3 4 I think as women get older they start to appreciate more masculine qualities, but I still think there's still a baseline "prettiness" they like in men that dudebro red pill communities completely ignores and disregard to hyper focus on masculine signifiers since a lot of the red pill is (imo) a thinly-veiled vanity project to make men feel powerful more so than to directly discover or explore what women want.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 11:39 PM
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Women like pretty boys a lot more than the red pill would like to admit. Super masc bros are more of a gay male thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 11:05 PM
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Well yeah. 1970s. These things are a constant battle of the actual cultural context you live in and trying to reach the idealistic one your striving for.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 01:13 AM
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Yeah, I would. Point #1 I find a ridiculous oversimplification and a very narrow perspective of what is going on. Do you guys ever stop and think that maybe young women are just less mature and have less life experience to pick good partners or spot red flags? I mean, I think most psychologists would agree that younger people have a tougher time navigating dating and relationships in a healthy way due to this reason. I don't know why that never gets considered by the red pill side. Humans are no…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 09:26 PM
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The analogy is meant to describe that, while women have more options, their issues come with filtering those options due to a lot of men only wanting one thing, many men just swiping on every single woman for no actual reason, the unique safety concerns that comes with women dating and women's general sexuality which tends to be more holistic and big picture rather than just visual/primal. Discerning these things can be overwhelming and can take time, skill and experience, but you also have to d…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 08:32 AM
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It's an analogy that presupposes both are stranded with no supplies. It's meant to express the differences in experiences. Both can acquire resources and skills but these things take time and effort. You can make the case that is is then easier for women due to it being easier to find water at sea but there needs to be some consistency.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 08:13 AM
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Hey atleast women can learn distillation and desalination and get portable water from sea water That implies they have the equipment which isn't necessarily the case if you're stranded at sea.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 03:37 PM
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Oh I wonder why. Nothing to do with men outright telling women they're visual and mainly care about looks and youth etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 02:25 PM
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Yeah, to find someone they connect with, find attractive and will make a good partner for them. Something that cannot be decoded as a one size fits all for all women. That's why the manosphere is in an endless loop of cognitive dissonance.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 12:46 PM
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It's not that men don't treat women as people. It's that the elite, top tier men don't. Absolute lies. Have you ever gone on an incel forum lol. Even low value men don't see women as people. They see them as women, in a sense that they're a different species that should be either pedastalized, feared or despised.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 12:44 PM
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Plenty of men here are over that age. However, I would put women's elevated "SMV" down to more things than just the overvaluing of young, attractive women. I think media of the last 100 years has played a huge part of men laying their balls on the table and letting them be twisted. A negative side effect of patriarchy is that the overexposure of the male perspective and the ensuing oversexualization of women means they understand how to be attractive to you more than you do to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 08:12 PM
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Eh, my observations are a little different; they're less likely to classify attractive women as people - they classify young, attractive women as women/females, a sort of primate subspecies - that they view with both disdain and obsessive fixation. Unattractive women are just NPCs that blend into the background to make up the numbers of the human race lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 02:13 PM
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What women are you referring to? All women or just "prime meat" aged, attractive women? Because the red pill often claim men of all ages only want them and if you all chase after the same cohort of women then the market naturally adjusts and those women can raise their standards to, what you would consider, disproportionately high. Just the way it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 01:51 PM
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Everyone needs solutions and to he heard. They aren't mutually exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 02:37 AM
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What's the issue?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 06:27 AM
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That's where they get confused. They hold random women to the most radical feminist ideas they've ever heard on the Internet and get frustrated by the apparent contradiction, even though these are two different people saying these things. They also take these tiktoks way too serious. Some 21 year old drunk girls in Miami saying they only date rich men are a lot of the time just trying to be sassy and provocative because... they're young and drunk. That's what young, drunk people do lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 03:19 PM
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Those aren't representative at all. They're rage bait. And those women might be products of centuries and decades of social norms than actively trying to enforce them. Not every woman is an activist or super cognizant of progressive ideals. Edir: Downvotes with zero rebuttal. This sub is a joke sometimes with its lack of debate etiquette and red pill bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 02:45 PM
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Do you have any proof of this or is it just your feelings?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 02:29 PM
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Feminists don't believe in the hyper specific masculine/feminine gender expectation paradigm that pro-patriarchal and traditionalists believe and therefore do not believe men or women should be brow beaten by such expectations or efforts to "keep them in line". That help you understand?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 01:00 PM
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Femininity and womanhood aren't the same thing. And personally, I don't think there's anything "toxic" about a man being strong and keeping it together, or being taught to be that. Men take on the most responsibility, both in family life, and in the broader society. We've gotta be tough. You seem to be very pro patriarchal gender roles so I can understand how feminism confuses you merely by disagreeing with your hyper specific masculine/feminine paradigm applied based on sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 12:49 PM
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No, I'm not. I do not underestimate these aspects of the male pysche. I think, rather, you are underestimate the broader humanity of men and reducing them to a very surface level and theoretical version based on maybe your own opinion and the opinions of other men that you have sort out. I would never involve myself with those men, however. I want a deep, mutual love and a human with self respect, not a robot or a chimpanzee. I think most men with lived experience do fall closer to the former - …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 01:16 AM
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What current world standards? Women preferring there own age? Yes, if that changed and women magically started overwhelmingly preferring men much older than themselves, then maybe things would change. But barring that magically changing, it doesn't appear so - and barring men magically becoming robots that don't seek out women for more things than just how attractive they initially find them, that won't change either.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 12:50 AM
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Considering the fact that almost every study proves men find teens to early 20s most physically attractive? Like I said, those same studies show women consistently prefer their own age range. It takes two to tango. The study I think you're referring to also showed that, while men found women in their early twenties most attractive, they were most interested in women closer to their age. So these factors have already been considered. These comments scream theoretical mental masturbation and a tra…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 12:40 AM
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This is so fucking weird and dehumanising. Holding it against a woman for not being with you at 18-25, when she never met you and didn't know you and then judging her negatively for not "providing" you with her body during that time frame as if she has the same reductive opinion as you on these things and wasn't just living her life based in her immediate surrondings and trying to find her place in the world. It's just so freaking odd, objectifying and full of so many strange assumptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 12:18 AM
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No you wouldn't because women overwhelmingly prefer their own age range and men actually considering a long term relationship consider more things than looks alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 12:14 AM
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Looks are important to women. It would be a lie to suggest otherwise. They just aren't the singular factor. Men can develop carnal attraction on looks alone but women's attraction is more holistic. The looks are only one (admittedly, fairly large) piece of the puzzle. This means women can trade off looks more though if the man demonstrates a good sense of humour, confidence, intelligence or just if there is general chemistry with her. I think looks are rising on the list of priorities however as…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 09:12 PM
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You sort of changed the topic but the reason for men's high suicide rate is a little bit more multifaceted than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 01:34 AM
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Women do dirty and dangerous jobs, such as nursing... The majority of people aren't doing dirty or dangerous jobs though, are they? Why do women have to make the first step in breaking men out of these roles? You want out, you break out - but all I see is this enforcement of gender roles in men's communities in the manosphere. Incredibly pro-gender roles and hyper-masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 12:32 AM
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I mean, from your perspective, I can see how you arrived at that conclusion, but I don't really it is something that can be described in those terms. I think its more so men are hornier; rather than some structural issue directly or artificially enfored to harm men.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 12:28 AM
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Do women take advantage of unattractive men or just ignore them?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/24 12:25 AM
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Men decide this through their own sexual and romantic elevation of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 11:36 PM
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That isn't "feminist ideals", it's women having different thoughts and opinions 🤦‍♀️ how can you not see this? Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 11:33 PM
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Nope. It's more so industrialization. Men refuse to break free of their gender roles. They cling to it for dear life, as is evidenced by the manosphere and all the hyper masculinity praising that goes on there.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 11:30 PM
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Because this woman doesn't ask people on dates?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 11:14 PM
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What is "treating someone as not human" - any examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/24 11:14 PM
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Is that a problem? I'm sure men would be similar when it came to ugly women vs attractive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 01:43 PM
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All I'm gonna say is this whole thing lacks nuance, the big picture, actual practiced reality of the world, people's ability to weigh up options and compromise, maturity, the concept of self-actualization and the idea that women have other things to think and care about over the course of the lives than this hyperspecific topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/24 12:10 AM
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Yeah but the issue with this argument is it's difficult to draw a distinct line without perpetuating differences and stereotypes. I think most sane people know that men and women are not exactly the same biologically but this conversation can derail really fast into "THEREFORE women should do this and men should do that", so I'm often skeptical of people that try to hammer this point home too much, and feminist in particular are because of how this has been used to pigeonhole the sexes historica…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/24 01:03 AM
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Because there's only so much western women can do for a sovereign country thousands of miles away with its own laws, government and culture. Other than invade and a take over the government, that is. At some point, you guys are achieving superiority, not equality. Given that men still statistically hold most wealth and power in the west, I can comfortably confirm that we're nowhere near that yet, so you can rest easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/24 06:23 AM
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Even if feminism has completed all of it's goals (which I don't think it has), I still believe it is necessary to maintain those achievements. Look at Afghanistan in thr 70s vs today. It isn't just a case of achieving equality, you need to safeguard it!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/24 08:16 PM
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No? Tell me more.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 05:54 PM
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It's part of the transition from patriarchy to equality. It was never going to be pain-free.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/24 02:25 AM
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Depends what you mean by "feminine". I think women like a good balance of both feminine and masculine traits in men - beauty and grooming whilst still looking indisputably male, emotional intelligence whilst still having a backbone. I'd argue women in general want a greater mix of both traits even more so than gay men typically want.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/24 09:59 AM
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Racism and feminism are completely different things with completely different definitions.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 03:33 PM
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You can hold the person saying what you don’t like accountable, sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 03:32 PM
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With patriarchal structure - basically, our societies were structured patriarchal with men holding the majority of the power for many generations. These things take time and a conscious effort to dismantle. With what I said; is that patriachal expectations are baked into our culture. To dismantle gender roles - where men take a more active and dominant role by default - we need to challenge them. The visceral threat many men feel to even the depiction of men stepping out of these roles comes fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 01:29 AM
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Simple things like men being portrayed in more feminine ways. Men around me have reacted very viscerally to the image of drag queens, gay scenes, men being sexualized, men being portrayed in domestic roles. A lot of everyday men do not like it when men step out of the traditionally ascribed role and view it as a loss of power, as if men should be the gazers rather than the gazed-upon. Why didn't the "patriarchy" prevent it? Because the patriarchy is structural rather than a central government bo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 12:46 AM
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I've met thousands of men too. Men I have met throughout my life have very visceral reactions to emasculation or being seen as "feminine" in any way. It's less so an explicit and more implicit in actions and reactions. Maybe you do not recognize it as much as women do as you see it as the normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 11:52 PM
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Those are two big ones but you can also get conservative feminists, liberal feminists, socialist feminists etc
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 09:22 PM
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Not the person who left the comment but I notice some men are really protective of the idea of masculinity and losing masculinity or being seen as feminine because they perceived masculinity as power. This can be men of any socioeconomic bracket. That's one example.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 08:33 PM
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That would be difficult. People have different ideas on how to best achieve gender equality and what feminism means. There are too many different sects. Feminism is basically an umbrella term and criticism is better being directly aimed at the sect or area of thought (which, despite what many around here seem to believe, is actually done by feminists all the time - feminists often infight and disagree).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 07:08 PM
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Feminism isn't an organization - it's an idea. It doesn't have any structure or centralised governance. People can opt in and present their ideas of what is feminism and do activism but screaming at it like it's a government failing to meet your demands and expectations is pointless. Do you believe men and women should be equal? If so then it's up to you to present your ideas of how we can best achieve equality and point out gendered blindspots or structural issues which are holding us back.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/12/24 03:23 PM
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I could ask a lot more questions to gauge what this is but I'll let you have you privacy and wish you the best.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 09:24 PM
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Look I am not saying happy relationships can't happen but this doesn't sound real or human, it sounds like a projection of fantasy. I've been around the block enough to know this isn't a natural or sustainable dynamic and certainly wasn't the result if your Internet beliefs. How long you been together?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 09:21 PM
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Not convinced.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 09:16 PM
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Is this satire?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 04:22 PM
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You're twisting this pre-third-wave feminist image into something entirely positive and ignoring all of the negatives of being considered objects, property, weak, emotional, ineffectual which I think is a really unfair way of framing this. Feminists of those times hated that portrayal just as much as the do the other extreme. Rather, they just want to be seen as people - not perfect angels or fine china but not the spawn of Satan either. Is that so hard for you to accept?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/24 02:12 PM
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Incels can be misogynists.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 07:12 PM
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Wish they were all like this. Thing is, these sorts seem an increasing minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 04:18 PM
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Post has been deleted but I'll answer you; there are more than enough efforts being made to untangle the systemic discrimination of women in positions of power. we have things like DEI now for example and i struggle to see what systemic disadvantages women have in today's day and age. maybe you could enlighten me? Just the existing ones that are being countered by these initiatives. But there's also pushback to contend with, it isn't always a straight forward trajectory - you have to nurture the…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/24 12:53 AM
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they are determined by or at least strongly correlated to traits like intelligence, ambition, ruthlessness and even things that essentially make people psychopaths. men tend to gravitate more towards extremes in various traits, not just intelligence. This completely ignores systemic reasons. If one demographic holds near enough 100% of weath, power and influence - by law - for many, many centuries, this takes time and effort to change. It doesn't happen over night. You can't reasonably dismiss t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 01:33 PM
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Not as clear cut as that. I was challenging your black and white thinking No one is 100% secure but claiming the opposite of secure and confident is some good girl princess who will submit to you forever is also a fantasy. There's value in dating someone who is secure in themselves because it also means the relationship has a more secure foundation; security and confidence doesn't mean arrogance.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 04:51 AM
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No, you keep making this mistake. Having an insecure woman might feel easier for you to navigate at first but your relationship is overall more unstable because people become more secure with age and she will recognise that she was with you out of insecurity and you were drawn to her because of that insecurity - combined with some superficial reasons - and inevitably leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/24 01:00 AM
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How many pictures or sculptures or even songs have been about women? One of the most famous paintings of all time Mona Lisa is about a woman lol. Also women can create art. Yeah. From a male perspective. And they can yes and are more than ever but men have and still to some extent hold most power in mass media and production. What proof do you have that the most masculine coded societies are the most dangerous for women? Or that muslim societies are the most masculine ones? Don't you think that …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 05:22 PM
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Wait should men do art that appeases women now? Well men created religions and as for societal structure women's safety is the most important thing so men aren't the main focus. Not necessarily but a society ruled by men isn't going to represent women or create art that is as fulfilling to women. Just the way it is. Same would be true in the reverse. Also "women's safety" isn't clear cut. You could say Islam cares deeply about women's safety - to the point they don't let women leave unchaperoned…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 04:32 PM
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In some ways yes, in other ways no. Yes; they get a society filtered through the masculine perspective; most art is made with them in mind, most religion and societal structure is from their psychological perspective and puts them at the top of the hierarchy in terms of potential status. No; men have an evolutionary incentive toward inequality (unlike women) and therefore tend to push other men (as well as women) down to sit atop the hierarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 02:32 PM
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No that doesn't explain it at all. Positions of power are not solely determined by intelligence. It's a structural thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/24 02:29 PM
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It doesn't change the fact, it just means men occupy the top and the lowest positions. It still makes it by definition a patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 01:26 PM
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Outpacing doesn't mean overtaken in terms of positions of power.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/24 01:25 PM
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This again 🙄 Women are a SOCIAL minority because men occupy most positions of power. It is as simple as that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/24 11:27 PM
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Red pill doesn't have the monopoly on developing productive habits. That very idea is the most autistic thing ever. And I say this as someone with a lot of autism in their family. Dog whilsting to frustrated and more socially vulnerable men with useful habits laced with misogyny and male supremacy is a serious issue. The latter is the main attraction that supplies oxygen to TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 08:02 PM
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This isn't even the red pill to me. Its just developing productive habits.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 04:08 PM
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The criticize it when it's taken to an absurd degree and overrepreswnred in mass media to the point normal women living their lives are affected. You can personally chose whatever you want. Body positive isn't a demand to date anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/24 07:07 AM
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Those are incredibly rare. You don't see it expressed by anyone here and when it ever is expressed (say on tumblr) it is usually just a very edgy joke with little looming threat behind it or a frustrated retaliation to extreme misogyny and male violence. Red pillers are much more casual and self-assured with their sexism. Some literally feel a god (or nature) given right to control women and they're fueled solely by sexual jealously.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 07:41 PM
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I am somewhat sympathetic to men but since so many will not acknowledge how patriarchy has played a part in this and so many wanna stick their fingers in their ears and drag us all back to a time where women had little choice but to date them, my sympathy can often run thin.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/24 06:52 PM
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You ignored the rest of her paragraph.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 05:06 PM
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Male sexual desires are represented everywhere. The reason it gets called out is because of how pervasive/problematic this is. Many men view this as just default and are confused why anyone takes issue with it but its a essentially a looming cultural relic imposed by historical power imbalances. Many get incredibly defensive and struggle to empathise or see the bigger picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/24 05:04 PM
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Both horrible extremes with their own ups and downs. But at least with that one you get left alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 06:26 PM
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They go hand in hand. Cultural sexualization and real life sexualization. Package deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 03:54 PM
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Because I've been around men in the rare instance there is a nude scene of an attractive man in a film or a gay sex scene and men tend to act really uncomfortable when men are ever sexualized one fraction of the amount women are on screen.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 03:01 PM
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Eh, I think if they were as objectified as women were they would start to have a problem with it. You think the grass is greener but there's a healthy medium.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 01:37 PM
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First female director was born in 1873 Doesn't change that women have been the vast minority of creative leads in film for the past century. I'm going on statistics, not instances. Don't play dumb. So? You think that's fair?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 09:44 AM
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If they’re being sexualized by women, that’s interesting to us. We often masturbate it for sexual pleasure in the form of something called “pornography What if those women wanna see a lot of guy on guy action, breedable pretty boy twinks and tonnes of full frontal? Still wouldn't bother you? And I take your promise to heart because you know exactly what men think and how they feel. After all, you’re a man yourself. Oh, wait … I've been around enough men to know how they react to stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 09:27 AM
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If they’re being sexualized by women, that’s interesting to us. We often masturbate it for sexual pleasure in the form of something called “pornography What if those women wanna see a lot of guy on guy action, breedable pretty boy twinks and tonnes of full frontal? Still wouldn't bother you? And I take your promise to heart because you know exactly what men think and how they feel. After all, you’re a man yourself. Oh, wait … I've been around enough men to know how they react to stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 09:27 AM
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If they’re being sexualized by women, that’s interesting to us. We often masturbate it for sexual pleasure in the form of something called “pornography What if those women wanna see a lot of guy on guy action, breedable pretty boy twinks and tonnes of full frontal? Still wouldn't bother you? And I take your promise to heart because you know exactly what men think and how they feel. After all, you’re a man yourself. Oh, wait … I've been around enough men to know how they react to stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 09:26 AM
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I promise you, you would. I was raised around boys, I know how they react whenever (in the very rare instants) men are sexualized on screen. There's reasons men are not and one of them is because of how they react vs women who are just used to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 09:18 AM
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Literally most popular culture, music telenovelas etc is geared towards women because they are the biggest consumers. "Geared towards" does not equal created by nor does it automatically mean it is geared toward women sexually, most men wouldn't feel comfortable sexualizing men and most creators are still men. Not that we still have 100 years of pop culture influencing our ideas and perspective of normalcy. You can easily escape movies and TV by just turning them off. Advertisements aren't all t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 09:16 AM
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Yeah but to pretend men wouldn't experience any negatives like the overwhelming discomfort objectification brings, body image issues and general dehumanisation is dishonest.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 09:04 AM
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Fanfiction websites aren't something you can't escape in everyday life like movies, advertisements, TV etc. Don't be ridiculous. I'd wager that popularity of fanfiction among women is because their gaze isn't really reflected anywhere else is popular culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 09:02 AM
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It absolutely would be if men couldn't even watch a movie without lengthy scenes of two naked men rolling around together with their dicks touching for the sake of titillation.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 08:08 AM
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These answers are so ridiculous in their bias. The answer is simple: women are already way over objectified outside of relationships so do not value it as much as men who are way under objectified.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 07:26 AM
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***Vs the gender that is way over objectified to the point that is an issue in itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 07:22 AM
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Women are already fetishized all over media and outside of relationships so we're more weary of it. Men are way under objectified so actually appreciate it sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/24 07:21 AM
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It doesn't? Where are you getting this information from? Sidenote: If women preached on behalf of ugly girls of much as the guys here do for ugly guys we would be called ugly/old/landwhales etc. I've given up hope trying to soften the blow of men that have always made women feel like dirt for not being up to scratch be absolutely floored by the same judgement being passed onto them.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 08:02 PM
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Ugly guys might jump at the chance to cheat when the opportunity arises. A good looking guy may be tired of the attention or simply have a stronger internal morality than the ugly guys. This happens all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 06:40 PM
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Because people 1) Like to know how the world works 2) need to use language to express and critique ideas.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 06:32 PM
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Here we go again. No it can be proven with data, numbers and definitions are not conspiracy theories; Statistics on men holding most societal power can be examined across various domains, including politics, business, education, and culture. Here are some key statistics and insights that reflect male dominance in societal power structures: 1. Politics: Heads of State: As of 2023, approximately 90% of world leaders (presidents, prime ministers, monarchs) are men. Women account for about 11% of na…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 02:20 PM
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Patriarchy is a known fact by looking at the data of where power is concentrated in society. I seriously do not know how so many people can spend so much energy denying something that can be proven fact by a bare-bones list of statistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 01:40 PM
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A lot of the media figures and influences I see brought by men hear explicitly say they don't believe women should vote (Fresh and Fit, Andrew Wilson, Sovereignbrah, pearlythingz, hoe_math, Andrew Tate etc). It's a growing sentiment in the conservative and manosphere community. At least online.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 01:28 PM
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Here we go; Statistics on men holding most societal power can be examined across various domains, including politics, business, education, and culture. Here are some key statistics and insights that reflect male dominance in societal power structures: 1. Politics: Heads of State: As of 2023, approximately 90% of world leaders (presidents, prime ministers, monarchs) are men. Women account for about 11% of national leadership positions globally. Parliaments: In 2023, men occupied roughly 75% of pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 01:08 PM
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Like it or not, consent is a social construct of a modernized world where we can afford to be civil. So is not murdering people. It’s not like men chose to have 15x the testosterone or that their brains are designed to objectify since they are wired towards tool use. So blame biology? So equality would be to put all men on HRT then?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 01:05 PM
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Patriarchy just means men, historically, globally and today, hold most of the power. This can be easily be proved by looking at who holds most wealth, power and influence in a society via statistics. I don't know how people can possibly deny it. All I see is people trying to justify why it is. Fine. It still doesn't change the definition that men hold most hard power in society and the world and thus is patriarchal. It's not about having it "easier" or anything like some people here seem to thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 01:02 PM
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Isn't that a good thing on behalf of a feminist spaces? Internet communities leave the door wide open for pretty much anyone and reminding participants of your core values and what is and isn't acceptable is pretty standard.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 12:51 PM
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Wanting the right to vote is man hating to conservatives now so I don't care what they think anymore lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 12:50 PM
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It isn't a conspiracy. It's a widely known fact accepted by pretty much every scholar out there. You just don't understand the word.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 12:49 PM
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Yeah because the first one is about consent which is non negotiobable and is directly caused by the second one. Norms can't develop without tracing back the actions from the ruling class and the laws and values they have instilled within us.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/24 12:46 PM
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West didn't give them freedom. Men just take it away.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/24 10:50 PM
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"You're just jealous/you're old/fat/have a lot of cats" are the go to whenever you try and argue with a "Red pill" guy. It is boring, for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 08:02 AM
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Most of the women I know game (and no, not just mobile games). I think the issue comes from embodying the stereotypical capital G gamer that has literally no other hobby or interests and lives and breathes gaming. You find more men like that for some reason. An ex of mine was such man. When we first met and I found he liked gaming, I was like "cool, me too", it wasn't until he got comfortable that it was revealed that by "liking" gaming, he meant playing them every waking hour he wasn't working …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/24 04:54 AM
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Not good or bad but from personal experience, it is absolutely not true. Caring about career is usually a personal thing, not a gendered thing (outside of women caring more about security, that is).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/24 02:24 PM
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It isn't a 1:10 ratio though, is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 08:18 AM
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Stop being a pick me, I can ensure you I'm anything but. women would rule the world if they outnumbered men Nor sure that would be the case. Look at tyrants like Gengis Khan. His wives and concubines outnumbered him. They hardly ruled though, did they?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 07:19 AM
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Yes of course. Has to be some reason where women evil and conniving and you the victim. I think the main reason is that - despite the red pill talking points - the vast majority of women do not want to be in a harem.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/24 07:10 AM
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Unless they off themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 10:51 PM
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Funny how men are actually pro women It isn't pro-women, it's purely to sexually benefit men. They don't want to reduce the number of men, they want to increase the number of women. No way to physically do that without reducing the number of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 10:51 PM
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(My very tainted take is that men bear the pain of evolution, at least 50% didn't procreate in old times (while only under 20% of women didn't procreate) and i don't totally buy that story) How is that the "pain of evolution"? Being raped and taken as spoils of war by a tribe that just murdered your entire family isn't exactly a privilege either. Women weren't picking and choosing everything at this point, it was a brutal, violent society and women were merely chattel in a man's world. Mayority …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 10:47 PM
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The world would readjust entirely with that kind of gender disparity. It wouldn't be the same as meeting 10 random men off tinder right now. Policy and such would restructure around it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 10:34 PM
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We aren't ducks. Also, what is the overall gender ratio for mallard ducks?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 10:21 PM
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True but if men wipe out such a limited resource because they cannot control their aggression and jealously then that would be beyond dumb.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 10:07 PM
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Imagine for a second, 1 woman and 10 men in a desert island. Its actually scary. The woman will get abused, men will start doing crazy shit. Or the opposite. She will be treat as a queen. Why abuse such a limited and vital resource?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 09:57 PM
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50-50. Edit: Funny how most women are saying 50/50 yet the red pill men here are saying they want to reduce the male population up to 90% just for the sake of easier sex. Thought feminists were the misandrist ones 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 09:52 PM
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The number one reason I fell for my husband was his compassion and strong morals. Super naive women may temporarily be attracted to an asshole who masks well at first and lovebombs heavily but outside of that and a few psychos that are into serial killers, being a POS isn't a good longterm strategy and is merely a cop out by men who have gotten swooped up in misogynistic ideologies and want an excuse not to have to challenge their beliefs. You attract what you put out.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 08:12 AM
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What do you mean by "treated like men"? I don't see red pillers making thousands of videos a year shitting on men for being over 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/24 12:10 AM
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Those 10 all have quite large followings.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 11:46 PM
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To the first point, I disagree and believe your answer is cope. Not at all. I never heard that phrase used outside of those two contexts (either ironically or to refer to past generations of chivalrous men, usually said by traditional and Conservative women). To the second point, no. Nuns get a pass What about just women who don't want kids/marriage? They exist. Women who are married or in long term relationships but for whatever reasons have decided against children/can't have them? Its so dehu…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 11:43 PM
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'where have all the good men gone' I hate how misused this saying is. That is traditionally said by women talking about previous generations of men, not men they met in their youth - yet red pill acts like it's commonly said by older women talking about nice guys they met in their early 20s that think they're gross now or something (I've never actually ever heard anyone say it unironically). Its not women. Its a subset of women over 30. Men aren't demonizing happily married women that have sever…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 11:30 PM
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I can think of at least 10 red pill content creators off the top of my head who's content is litetally just shitting on women over 30 lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/24 11:26 PM
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I didn't say it was okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 09:45 AM
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Many women also tend to make homophobic comments when they’re rejected by men, which is also a problem. Yeah because they know men take offense to those. Just like with feminizing comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 09:39 AM
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This is a man not a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 09:19 AM
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Women over 40 are bad people is your insination here? Edit: instead if downvoting, how about offering your argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 09:14 AM
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Yeah we already cleared them up. He said we're not dishonest because that would imply we're smart enough to know what we're doing 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 09:05 AM
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Women thinking guy on guy is hot is actually the cultural norm in places like SEA with the existence of yaoi and BL and even in the west M/M romance books are incredibly popular. Yeah, that was four comments. There's more than four in this thread that are for it. I think sometimes people see what they want to see. I think those women fell for the "no-homo" toxic masculinity culture. It is sad to see.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 09:03 AM
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First of all, calm down. Secondly, it's true, when do you see women talking about men as expired products or about them having "high mileage". Men compare women to sandwiches, cars, locks, steaks etc. Female sexuality is more holistic in general and women learn to identify with men easier as fellow human beings due to male-as-default culture (women are much more likely to watch and read books with all male casts than the reverse, for example).
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/24 09:00 AM
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Can you link me to that post? Doesn't sound much like PPD women. Also, guy on guy is hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 11:02 PM
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I think everyone is bisexual to a certain extent. It is just been more socially acceptable for women to be than men. Mainly because the world is centered around (straight) male fantasies.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 11:00 PM
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Most women are indeed either complacent with or unaware of their ingroup bias, that's why it exists. What straws? This is literally what I was arguing against. I'm pointing out YOUR bias and hypocrisy here regarding that statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 10:39 PM
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If you weren't insinating dishonesty then at the very least, you were implying women lack the self awareness to know what they're talking about but you, a man, by listening to angry men on the Internet, understand women better than they do themselves and reached the blindsiding revelation that women are dishonest but don't worry - they're not dishonest because they're cunning or anything - it's because they're too stupid to even realize they're doing it!! 🙄
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 10:36 PM
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I think everyone can have an in group bias, I was more referring to you insinating women are naturally dishonest, again, completely unsubstantiated. I find it funny because whenever I see you guys say stuff like this, you always try to feign hardened objectivity but it's blindingly obvious the words are coming from a place of resentment and desire to slander. You just rip it out of your ass at a moments notice. That's the philosophy; demonize and infantalIze women to the point that you don't fee…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 10:30 PM
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I wonder if I went around saying "it's just men's nature to says something negative/insinating dishonesty, completely unsubstantiated" in this sub, how men would react 🤔 🙄 I don't know how these mansplaining red pillers take themselves seriously. Sometimes I think it has to be a joke lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 10:24 PM
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What women?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 08:18 PM
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Indeed. Very rapey towards women and a lot of sleazy film directors.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 08:18 PM
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In order to change culture you have to take actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 04:43 PM
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Yeah people tend to do that, men included but I think the women saying this don't seem to critically think about the complex socialization process that pushes them to value their physical beauty in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 04:02 PM
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The male gaze is a film theory from the 70s which stated that since most films are created by men, that they very often come from a male perspective and often sexualize and "other" women while centralising male narratives. Which is undeniable imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 03:59 PM
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You guys honestly believe any woman represents all women, don't you? You see us as a species or an archetype instead of individual people LOL.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 03:58 PM
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You see... different women.. think... different things. Some women think it's for them but don't seem to realize the complex socialization they led them to value it in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 03:56 PM
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Or... you're talking to different women. I've never wavered on the fact that I think beauty standards aren't "for us" despite some women convincing themselves that they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 03:55 PM
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Straight male sexuality has been the cultural default for generations. What you're witnessing is a rebalancing act and you're taking it as a demonization. Women are already used to being demonized for their sexuality, so we're happy for any attempt made to destigmatize our desires and interests.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 03:53 PM
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Male sexuality was default for the last millenia until about five minutes ago. No wonder there's a balancing act attempt.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 03:44 PM
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women are obsessed with sex, Women are? More than men? needed to be restrained. A convenient answer for an insecure man with selfish intentions.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 03:37 PM
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When in reality people can be calm and collected when talking about this topic which bluepillers seem to fail at "Which your biases seems to label as solely the action of the people you disagree with." FiFY.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 03:33 PM
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I'm pretty sure most people would chose to have their freedom and independence rather than be bedbound and lobotomized even if they knew they'd technically be "happier" in the latter situation. Men included.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 12:47 PM
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The second option is clearly doomed to end in misery and exploitation of the beta, for obvious reasons No. 26-33 marriage age has the lowest divorce rates and under 25s have the highest.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 09:07 AM
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Have they also heard that married men are happier and more well-off than single men?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 08:50 AM
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Humans have emotions, news at 11.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 08:42 AM
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"Happiness" isn't everything. Most people would willingly lose some happiness for freedom, choice, personal/intellectual discovery, enlightenment etc. Unless you all think we'd be better if we were all lobotomized and shoved in a playpen? I mean, we'd probably be happier. Thing is, women are human like you, not pets where all that matters is them being fed and given toys and they're satisfied for life. You don't seem to realize that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 08:36 AM
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You didn't "understand it", you believed and feared it for hundreds of years and women suffered due to this massive insecurity.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 08:34 AM
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Women are the gatekeepers Maybe, maybe not. But there's like 10,000 courses out there, by men, for men, on how to strong arm women into bed. There's barely anything of the reverse. Why not address that?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 08:32 AM
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Women don't view promiscuity as good in men, we're just not as bothered by it as men are because we believe in liberty and the complex journey of life. We don't see our potential partners as cars or hot dogs.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 08:28 AM
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I wish you all would stop blaming feminism for something that is fundamentally capatilist, I really would.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 08:24 AM
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I don't believe that. I think most couples there's a trade off/balance of desirability and IME the woman is more physically attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 08:22 AM
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Depends what you mean by "relative desirability".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/24 09:51 AM
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I keep getting this "100s" of people but no examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 01:54 PM
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Because perfect on paper doesn't translate to having a connection.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 12:46 PM
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Self-improvement is aimed at improving one’s character. What stuff do men have for improving character? I only see stuff teaching them to act like jerks.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 05:36 AM
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Meanwhile young men are constantly told we deserve to die alone if we don't do all the self improvement. Who says this?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 05:35 AM
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I don't know. They might have expectations but even a seemingly perfect guy they might not connect with. It's completely random. Unless they're content with giving up love and connection for a flash life style.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 02:04 PM
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Women value love and connection and you don't get to chose when you or if you experience that with another person, no matter how many "options" you have.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 10:16 AM
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That's your rationalisation, there could be several other theories too.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/24 12:02 AM
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Men write fanficfion too. Look at the bronies lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 11:59 PM
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You can absolutely get Christian feminists, as contradictionary as you think that is - I would agree. Then again, I prefer progressive Christians over fundamentalist ones so I'm not gonna complain too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/24 07:51 AM
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Women decide culture so they possess societal power. Men make up around 95% of directors, producers, screenwriters, cinematographers in film, TV, music, video games and most corporate power, CEOs etc so I think it's fair to say men decide culture. Even if you don't like the men in power it is still men that are in power and that falls under the definition of patriarchy.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 07:43 PM
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It is a fact. If men hold the majority of positions of power and wealth in a society, it is a patriarchy, whether you think it's justifiable or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 06:52 PM
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A better word would be "side effects". A side effect of women's equality is (some)men get incredibly sexually jealous and controlling. The consequences haven’t been manufactured they are inherent Sexual jealously and reproductive anxiety may be evolutionary but the way (some) men handle it, the ideologies they create and the actions they take absolutely are not. They're choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 12:31 PM
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Consequences? That implies fault. Women never even asked for this why should it have "consequences" manufactured by men that put their safety and human rights at risk?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 11:20 AM
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Ignoring, downplaying, or demonizing any of those drives ultimately is a form of objectification. What do you want from us?!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 10:51 AM
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That's what a lot of men out there are wishing for. That's what we contending against. All for the sake of this "sexual power" that they're so jealous of and that we never even asked for.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 10:48 AM
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It's happening in the middle East, misogynist terrorism has been noted by counter-terrorist organizations as an emerging threat and there's communities all over the internet that want to push back women's basic human rights, including many popular red pilled creators.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 10:32 AM
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And men create horrible ideologies, oppress women and go on violent rampages simply because they want sex from us. Aren't we lucky?!
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 10:27 AM
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Do you call all the men out here for doing the reverse all the time?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 09:48 AM
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misandrist ideology or the idea of a patriarchy. Well, patriarchy is just a fact. It is a way of describing a social structure and is used to describe gender dynamics is other species too by experts.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 09:46 AM
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Men do the same thing. I remember watching the SOScast and they were all calling 24 year old Sneako a "kid" and how he is "bound to change with age". I've heard men in their thirties call their early twenties self "just a kid" plenty of times. A lot of red pillers say men shouldn't even marry until they're in they're mid thirties because before then they're "not ready" . Gimme me a break. Red pill men totally understand age and development when they're speaking about themselves and other men and…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 09:40 AM
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This is pretty abstract and doesn't actually translate to any meaningful ability for average men to exercise substantial power in relationships. If for instance the gender ratios in congress were reversed and it became 70% female that wouldn't really translate into average women gaining much more in terms of social power unless said female majority was legislating in a deliberately gendered way. Maybe not for the "average man" to exercise but I don't think men realize how much the "dating market…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/24 12:07 AM
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Yeah it wasn't you in particular I was calling out but someone else replying to me was being antagonistic and another guy yesterday, suddenly so combative against the idea of men and women being different when it is used to critique male dominated society.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 06:38 PM
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Okay so it isn't about sex then. You do confuse me lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 06:36 PM
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A country that hates them? Not having sex with you = hate? Also, how about your freedom, your loved ones, you home?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 06:09 PM
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You are shaming men for being born with a sex drive. We can all read you doing it. Why lie? Nope. I am shaming them for making their sex drive everyone else's problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 05:50 PM
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No, equality. Some people think biblical gender roles are form of equality. Some people think you can't have equality without equity. Some people take on a more liberal view of equality where it is all about autonomy or personal choice. Some are more radical etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 04:52 PM
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Thanks. I suppose spotted hyenas are probably the most genetically similar to us. I'm thinking like other primates. Definitely not chimps as they're very aggressively patriarchal but I think Bonobo chimps everyone just approaches each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 04:34 PM
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Which ones?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 04:29 PM
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People have different ideas about what equality looks like or how far they want it to go, its sort of always been the case. Like I said there is no test needed to identify as a feminist so disagreement is bound to happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 04:25 PM
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I'm not denying that. I'm denying that women should be obligated to give sex or be accused of being inhumane. That is dehumanising. What if gay guys stared calling straight men inhumane for not sleeping with them? Would you feel obligated to do so?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 04:16 PM
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Yeah cause we're so used to that "humane treatment" meaning something sexual.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 04:06 PM
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Well you are welcome to your opinion on how much you value them as a feminist.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 04:04 PM
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What do you mean by the world being run “through a male perspective?” What is that perspective, and how does the world operate by / according to it? Our perception of the world is informed at least part through our biology, our hormones, physical features, desires; how people treat us based on that biology and gendered presentation through our lives and contributes to our unique experiences. It informs our opinions about things and our values, at least to a significant enough degree that having …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 03:58 PM
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You don't serve for sex. Who told you that?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 03:18 PM
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I can't actually remember the specific source but yours pretty much contained the information relevant to make my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 03:06 PM
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You're gonna screw over your families and fellow men for a chance to get some tail from a war widow. Yeah, that's just plain evil and no nation is a stranger to that type of human, sadly.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 03:04 PM
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Women sleep with opposing side, men dodge draft. Not all women do, in the source one of your red pill allies just posted it says women were pretty much forced in a lot of those situations. So women are being forced into prostitution while you're dodging draft. I don't actually care what you do tbh. I think your reasoning is shallow and gross, there's a lot to be said about the draft but this - I think you should be dealt with like any other betrayer of one's country.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 02:56 PM
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Hoo boy Your own source (check the bold); Many women, particularly in Paris, were forced into clubs to have relations with German soldiers for money. They were so popular that German and French officials worked together to regulate these establishments and build new ones, forcing even more women into this line of work. On occasion, some were even kidnapped from rural areas and brought to larger cities. While many French and German relationships were forced, there were some that were based on a r…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 02:51 PM
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Sorry I read a comment chain in this post where you were saying you want female friends you own age, not older women which is what this is more referring to.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 02:44 PM
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If men were starving and had an opportunity to get food then they would too. That isn't part of the contract that you have to starve even when you can get food merely by putting out. In fact many men did betray their own side during the war, in much worse ways they merely sleeping with the opposition, but fighting for the other side and giving away information. Prostitution is pretty neutral compared to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 02:40 PM
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Source? Because I read the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 02:38 PM
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Fuck yeah, its cowardly, thats why feminist oppose drafting women so much and women lose their shit when they are called upon to be drafted. Pulled that out your ass. When germany captured france, french women were very happy to go to bed with Nazi soldiers. No they weren't, they did this to eat and survive. Turns out history is not as black and white as you are making it out to be That's exactly what you are doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 02:34 PM
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Some of you are so obsessed with sex, it seems to be the only thing you live for.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 02:30 PM
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I wouldn't say only, if also hurts the families and the people who's homes are destroyed.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 02:27 PM
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Because when women try to be kind or your friend you say you keep getting "friendzoned" and then go cry on your red pill forums and make 500 "what's wrong with modern women: youtube videos.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 02:21 PM
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The main cause of why more women aren’t in charge is an inherent biological tendency for them to avoid conflict and asserting themselves. Which are necessary traits for becoming someone in a position of power. This is because they don’t have testosterone anywhere near male levels. It’s also because when you are the physically weaker sex, it’s a good survival strategy to fall in line. I've heard that before. There isn't a proven correlation there, it's a theory favoured by patriarchists and anti-…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 01:56 PM
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The last point explains why the 2nd point is basically irrelevant. Only a tiny percent of elite men hold power and for the most part don't really exercise it in a gendered favoring way (i.e. benefitting men over women). It is relevant because men and women have different perspectives of the world and how things should be based purely on their sex. Even if its only a small proportion of men, it matters because the world is being run through a male perspective. It also influences men and women's p…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 01:06 PM
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There is not test to "allow" someone to call themselves a feminist. Anyone can take the label and yes, someone who agrees with the general principles of feminism and wants women to be free to chose their paths in life can be a feminist even if her personal choices don't 100% allign with the utopian view of true equality, I just wouldn't consider her a very proactive one.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 12:55 PM
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Some men are so narcissistic. They literally thinking they're better than others by birthright. This is what the oatriarchy does to people pysche.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/24 06:31 AM
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Is male heterosexuality really normalized if the hatred and contempt for male heterosexuality is also normalized? Push back against how overrepresented male sexuality is, is a relatively recent thing after #metoo and enough people pointed out the glaring double standards of the male gaze and that they're being predatory for even expressing that love in the first place, is male heterosexuality truly being normalized? Expressing love =//= sexual objectification, porn or any red pill nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 09:29 PM
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Male sexuality is so normalized. People are attacking the imbalance.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 08:47 PM
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No you're just taking it negatively. I'm talking about the imbalance and over exposure of male sexuality vs female. I think that's part of the reason for the strong confusion among men regarding women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 08:26 PM
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But female screenwriters give us characters standing in corridors talking about their feelings and crying, resulting in films and TV shows that even women themselves don't want to watch. It took women 25 years after men to break $1billion box office, and it still took a male co-writer's involvement. There's very little men can do here, on top of what is already done. So your argument is that women in general are just somehow naturally incapable of writing anything good so we're stuck witn the ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 05:26 PM
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Ellen reads the book that Hutter found; it claims that a vampire can be defeated if a pure-hearted woman distracts the vampire with her beauty and offers him her blood of her own free will. She decides to sacrifice herself. She opens her window to invite Orlok in and pretends to fall ill so that she can send Hutter to fetch Professor Bulwer, a physician. After he leaves, Orlok enters and drinks her blood, but the sun rises, which causes Orlok to vanish in a puff of smoke. Ellen lives just long e…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 04:50 PM
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What would be an example of this, and what would be your argument against the fact that women do this to themselves to an extent? Men's general actions towards women, mainstream media and cinema of the past 100 years, porn etc and yeah women do it to themselves to, it becomes a viscious cycle but men were at the forefront of culture and societal power in the generations that led us to this point. How are women controlled and subjugated in America? I said historically but there are remnants of pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 04:39 PM
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Yeah but men over romanticise and over sexualize women whilst diminishing their personhood and right to be a fully recognised human, using their sexual desire and jealously to control and subjugate women (see human history and the Middle East where it is really exaggerated and we haven't fully escaped it yet in the west, as evidenced)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 04:04 PM
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This is not "historically"; this is history made up by you. The vast majority of the oldest surviving works of literary fiction are of unknown authorship. History of art did not begin in Victorian England or puritan Massachusetts. Okay. Well let's stick to recorded history. Cinema for example, since it's inception in the early 20th century was incredibly male dominated and its one of the largest socialisation tools of the modern era. I'm actually not aware if in any version of her (early) canon …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 03:50 PM
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Yeah but why does one want friendship while the other just sees an object, a means to an end? Says something about how women view men more as people the just romantic and sexual objects. Friendzoning barely happens the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 03:39 PM
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I think we do. That's why we happily "friendzone" men while you get upset you're not fucking.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 03:08 PM
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It wasn't pointless, you just don't have a strong enough response.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 03:02 PM
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You can shrug your shoulders all you want, but it's true. "Nice guys finish last" or "I can fix them" exist for a reason. Never asked why? Am I speaking to a 6th grader? I know why and there much more complex mix of cognitive dissonance then you seem to understand. Red pill teaches about those things and I don't hate woman for it. It is what it is BAHAHAHAHA. And I never said that I agree with him You said "not saying he is right but not saying he is wrong either" Also horsepoop. This man's idea…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 02:12 PM
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Presenting male heterosexuality, or any kind of interest in women by men, as inherently predatory or objectifying is wrong I'm not and I didn't. I'm talking about the overexposure of male sexuality and perspective to an exhausting degree and how it effects the world and people's perception It's a fallacy that women tell themselves in order to facilitate treating men poorly, or treating men's affection for women with contempt. Women sexualized and othered by patriarchal culture where about 90-95%…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 02:04 PM
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Idk. Competition maybe in some circumstances but definitely not NPCs, a lot of men view themselves as the default human and women as an abberation made up of stereotypes.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 01:41 PM
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You've read "countless times". Oh good. I have not and I've been here a while. 🤷‍♀️ There was no misogyny in my comment, just ill placed humour; I just stated obvious things, and you just threw an insult just because it would make you feel better or you didn't have anything else to say? Dude you said you were a fan of a man who says women shouldn't vote. How the hell am I as a woman supposed to respect or take you seriously after that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 01:39 PM
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Men that go from one extreme to another, are looking for the ' sweet spot ' I did consider that but I'm not convinced. They're two sides of the same coin, highly gendered/stereotyped and just keeps men in a perpetual cycle of sexism and frustration.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 01:38 PM
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Men seem to be able to identify with men as humans rather than a different species or to get something (sex) out of.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 01:35 PM
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Art started from somewhere and historically that was the minds and perspectives of men since women were largely excluded from these pursuits. This imbalance still exists to this day. All men characters made by women lately can be broadly divided into hunks the heroine wants to bone, gay/asexual dudes she wants to hang out with, silly villains she laughs at when defeating them, and serious villains who are basically same as the former but also rapists. Any examples of this? I think women are gene…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 01:32 PM
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It's a mute point Do you meant moot point? And some men whom don't treat women like NPC or objects, still get the same ridicule from women as those men that do. Eh, not sure about that. You can't safeguard about ever receiving ridicule but men here go from one extreme to the other like they'll view women like delicate fine China and place them on a pedestal or they'll go the red pill route and go AWALT, women deserve less, women expire 7 years into legal adulthood, are dumb 304s etc. Like NO the…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 12:17 PM
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Well, everyone has unique thoughts and experiences. That's literally the point. Its a very human quality and that's what people mean when they say to view women as human. Some men out there treat women as NPCs or characters in a dating sim, objects of desire or a list of stereotypes ("AWALT") and sometimes it feels like the forget this basic humanity that they can easily identify in themselves and their friends and family.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 11:53 AM
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You weren't even who I was asking.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 11:33 AM
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I was asking about Sovereign Brah in my comment. It shows quite hypocrisy in all man vs bear debate. No it doesn't. Crazy women sending love letter happens but there also crazy men that send women love letters too (i could show examples), the difference is the women are much less likely to be convicted criminals, particularly of the violent kind. I'm not saying that the uber-religious guy is right but he isn't wrong either Of course. I could gather that with your comments. Ironically, the lack o…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 11:28 AM
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Having unique thoughts and experiences, doesn't necessarily make it important. Seriously, where did I said that?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 11:24 AM
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Red Pill has down a great job at stopping the pedestalization of women just based on the fact that they're women. I wish men could find a way to do this by treating us like complex and varied human beings rather than uniquely evil or stupid and unworthy of rights. It's one sexist extreme to another: amazing sexy perfect goddess m'lady that needs protecting like delicate fine China or disgusting dumb 304 screeching harpies that expire 7 years into legal adulthood and that never should have gotten…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 05:21 AM
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Sovereign Brah The uber-religious guy who thinks women shouldn't vote?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 05:19 AM
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When people say that they're not even just talking about direct interactions but the way men view and talk about women, the way men portray women artistically etc. It starts with perspective. Instead of thinking about women as objects of desire, a checklist of stereotypes or a compliment/adversary, instead view women as complex fully realized people with an inner lives and their own unique thoughts and experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 05:09 AM
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That's a very recent thing, men have been doing this for generations. Any other examples?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/24 05:04 AM
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It's all resentment because the younger one is prettier, nothing more than that. The 45-year-old woman who criticizes the "predator" that the immature 25-year-old is with would love for the predator in question to be with her, but he isn't, because she can't compete with the 25-year-old. I'm so sick of this cheap "you must be ugly" and borderline utter hatred, contempt for older women and blanket accusations of them being untrustworthy and conniving if they dare have an opinion on this. I've kno…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 10:39 AM
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Sorry I got confused and replied to the wrong person in my replies. Just ignore them. My apologies.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 01:37 PM
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I have studied sociology. I have never heard this and no reputable sociologist says this either. There is ton of research on it. Where is the modern research that this is happening? Show me some.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 01:26 PM
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write a PPD rage-bait post written in the style of a femcel. Makes a change as 90% of the posts are ragebait by incels. Gave it an upvote for being a bit different.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 01:19 PM
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Just to lesser degree. Any proof? Or just what you want to believe as a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 01:16 PM
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You're all wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 01:14 PM
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No. Feminists usually say it is socialised by sexist culture, not that it is born naturally.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 01:13 PM
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I agreed with your first paragraph for the most part but THIS: where an increasing number of women are sharing the same elite set of highly desirable men while the ones at the bottom aren’t getting anything WHERE is the proof of this?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 01:10 PM
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It was a black British man he specifically targeted a space that was coded female and little girls in particular.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 11:20 AM
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My point was the attack on the little girls wasn't from a first generation or illegal immigrant and the motive is looking closer to a misogynistic terror or an incel attack.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 10:41 AM
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What do you mean by this?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/24 09:52 AM
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I think "in the real world" men start getting noticeable wrinkles in their early twenties (worry lines, scowl lines, laugh lines etc) vs women that moisturise everyday and wear make up/foundation that often contains sunscreen. Maybe post menopausal this might be a thing but when I look at my age group (younger millenials), I definitely see this.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 11:37 PM
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I know of so many poor and otherwise law abiding men that have visited escorts.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 11:21 PM
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IME men's skin wrinkles a lot earlier. I think even male celebs age much quicker than their female counterparts too. I just don't think they're bashed as much for signs of aging.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 11:20 PM
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Gym wise maybe but women are way more efficient in skin care.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 10:13 PM
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I know what I said, my question was, how does it make sense to reply to that with: "Why do you think that is? Do you actually believe all women are just stupid or?" That was what I got from what you said. You find it hilarious because it either confirms this narrative of women being stupid, regardless of age, education and experience, and therefore a rung below you, or sells this narrative successfully. Like when someone cackles in glee at something, and thus the content is doing what it is inte…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 09:53 PM
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benefits being taken away as a kind of comeuppance. I know right. This is a whole business in and of itself on YouTube. (Often) manufactured schadenfreude against women they've never met getting older and no one wanting them. Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 09:44 PM
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What is that even supposed to mean? You said you find it "hilarious when they bring on 40 year olds with masters and they say the same" why? You're the one who brought this subject up It's your responsibility to make yourself more familiar with the subject you're making statements on I have and I haven't spotted what you're saying. It isn't my area of interest so I'm not gonna sit through 8 hour streams but I haven't seen this in all the stuff I have seen.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 09:38 PM
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Why do you think that is? Do you actually believe all women are just stupid or? Also, throw me some examples. I have never seen this.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 08:25 PM
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Chances of getting a criminal record for this is incredibly low. Plus you didn't really tackle my accessibility to interactive porn point.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 07:23 PM
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Nah most are like 10-20 years younger than the hosts, barely interested in politics, particularly when it comes to the pill stuff (red pill... what?) and are often expecting a respectful chat and a chance to promote their SM.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 07:09 PM
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Escorts are very accessible despite being illegal.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 07:07 PM
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You said remove women's right to vote based on your anger about how unfair you feel dating apps are. That's the extremist part.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 06:55 PM
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How? Just because of dating apps or??
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 06:52 PM
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It can influence their expectations and effect the sex life of the couple. Also, what if a man is paying cam girls or tipping onlyfans girls? That becomes like an interactive form of porn where men are paying to give validation to other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 05:34 PM
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More men watching podcasts of men screaming at poor confused women to make them feel powerful.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 05:28 PM
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Labor shortages in every male dominated profession, Why? Don't men need to pay their bills?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 05:25 PM
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They're far right anti-immigrant groups that are blaming the murder of 3 little girls by a 17 year old guy on immigration policy, instead of the more obvious reason (misogyny/mental illness).
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 05:21 PM
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A better comparison would be "Men have access to porn and escorts so what's to stop them from leaving you for a woman that looks like this pornstar or cheating on you with an escort." You post was about options, not abuse. And the answer is "trust", you can never guarantee someone will stay with you and not cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 05:12 PM
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Women are attracted to signifiers of paternal investment in men. Maternal investment is viewed as a given.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/24 01:50 PM
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It sounds like patriarchy but the men are attracted to women rather than each other. It isn't women's fault at all. Also "gynocentrism" comes with plenty of downsides. Look at incels and the taliban. It leads men to oppress, subjugate and detest women just as easily as it does to "benefit".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 11:41 PM
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It basically means men hold most of the structural power but are also thirsty for women and use them as status symbols to signal to other men, whether women asked for this or not. Damn it's almost as if sexuality exists and has a powerful influence on humans.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 10:25 PM
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The scary thing is you might actually believe that utter guff. Men's thirst and fear of other men of falling out of line in the male hierarchy is not women or feminism's fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/24 10:23 PM
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Women love to think they're somehow the better catch but they aren't. Is that so? Or is it the way men pedestalize women? Simps and the free market make this a reality and women adjust. To put this all on women "somehow randomly thinking they're better than they are" is simply ridiculous and shows a complete lack of accountability. I'd say men thinking they're more attractive than women bar 7 years of early adulthood is a demonstration of the opposite - men being entitled and thinking that they'…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 10:40 PM
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You think a 28 year old man has more options on average than a 28 year old woman? Really?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 09:26 PM
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Source for the graph?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 09:00 PM
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That's the worrying part. You can't go through life just blanketly dismissing half the population as stupid or irrational just because their perspective differs from yours or you don't quite "get" it. I see plenty of irrational arguments coming from all genders. I know humans are naturally drawn to find comfort in prejudice but I'd argue that can blind you to the big picture, which in the end isn't a very logical approach for someone seeking truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 03:59 PM
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Thats why women are known for having contradicting beliefs and often fall for simple questions of logic. They dont try to connect infomation. Dude are you being serious here? Your raging bias and lack of self awareness is radiating off this comment that is almost blinding. You disagree with women's perspective on things so you automatically categorise it on women being inferior thinkers. How convenient. This is painful. I mean you're Red Pill, fgs. The kings of contradictions, poor logic and app…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 12:56 PM
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I'm actually very surprised at that. I literally never see FDS, mainly moderate/blue pill. Unless they're mainly lurkers. I'm not surprised at the TRP/MGTOW taking up so much space though lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 12:46 PM
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I really doubt this. I think FDS members are a minority here. No one really argues in favour of their believes. Most women are just standard blue pllers.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 12:23 PM
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Yeah but plenty of poor or uneducated people are abrasive assholes. To claim it is only the attitude of successful or educated women rings alarm bells imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 01:48 AM
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Do you think losing all that can only be done by successful women though or because she was successful? Poor women are probably more likely to cost in a break up.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/24 12:20 AM
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So one experience? And is it a successful woman or this specific stereotype you have on your head of someone that is successful but also an asshole?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 08:28 PM
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Successful women who can't find partners typically have terrible personalities. They are the boss bitch babe stereotypes, No proof whatsoever. The issue is successful single women believe because they've had success in the workplace, the same success should translate to their love lives Absolutely no proof. Just another red pill theory/talking point.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 04:30 PM
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There's a difference between a successful woman and the stereotypical "boss babe" image painted by red pillers, you may not conflate them but there's an active effort by some sects of the manosphere to do this. And a so-called liberal (if you are one) is not immune to this kind of rhetoric. I mean, if anything, you're merely one of their prime targets.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 04:16 PM
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There's no proof that successful women are assholes here. Like you haven't demonstrated it. All I see is you have an emotional reaction for some reason which is persistent in the red pill space where men already have feelings of inadequacy in the first place and the right-wing, conservatives undertones of the manosphere that want to push women back into the kitchen would surely use this rhetoric as a method of shame to demonize women and stereotype them simply for being successful (the right lov…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 04:04 PM
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There is literally no proof here. I am going to go with what the other guy here said is your feelings get hurt because of how inadequate they make you feel and you translate that as "assholery".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 03:58 PM
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Why is it so hard to accept the simple truth that men don't want to deal with people that look down on them? This isn't the argument I was responding to. Their arguments were that successful women are obnoxious, abrasive, self centered. masculine and one guys that responded even said "mentally ill". Not that they don't like being look down upon. Your description sounds more honest. People don't like to feel inadequate and men in these pill these spaces usually have some preexisting feelings of i…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 12:37 PM
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Really not convinced. There's no proof for it at all and I seriously doubt you've all dated a large enough sample size highly successful women to even draw this conclusion. This is just what Myron Gaines and the likes say because their agenda involves pushing women back into the kitchen and/or holding women back to get men ahead (because they don't understand women NEED to work in this economy and they also think society was so much better when women were less independent like the 1950s).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 12:29 PM
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Are they actually or is this just a case of red pill chinese whispers and agenda-based stereotyping to discourage women from being ambitious because you feel it will make dating easier for men? I'm not convinced anyway. I think you tell yourself this to conceal the feelings of intimidation while not-so-subtley throwing shade.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 07:57 AM
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One is much worse because its actually had huge societal implications for centuries. I could probably find some incel forums posts from men saying women should be exterminated. It doesn't make it comparable to the societal effects of structural and institutional misogyny via religion. Even with the existence of those books androcide is nowhere near comparable to femicide in the real world (being killed simply based on gender).
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 02:07 AM
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Show where the Bible or the Quran said women don't deserve to exist. The Quran basically says women are worth less and are most of the inhabitants of hell. The Bible blames women for original sin, tells them they're not allowed to speak in church or lead and says this: For if a wife will not cover her head, then she should cut her hair short. 1 Corinthians 11: 6 But since it is disgraceful for a wife to cut off her hair or shave her head, let her cover her head. 7 For a man ought not to cover hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 01:22 AM
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I think men started in a lot earlier with the Bible and the Quran actually. But that aside - this is merely tit for tat against random women based on those particular sources but they don't actually believe it?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 01:04 AM
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I don't know. I know many people that would find monetonous manual labour easier than dealing with people, bodily fluids and unpredictable behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/24 12:39 AM
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Women make up a large part of factory workers. At least in the UK. About 30% in the US according to this https://www.commerce.gov/news/blog/2022/10/manufacturing-opens-more-doors-women#:~:text=Some%20facts%20about%20women%20in,positions%20were%20held%20by%20women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 11:27 PM
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What about nursing and teaching?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 11:24 PM
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Unlike women we're not deluded into thinking we can keep shit running without women. Maybe not completely without but I see men claiming they're more valuable to society all the time around here and it is usually down to their employment positions.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 11:22 PM
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What rights would you give men?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 11:15 PM
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That's you're only answer? To give women less human rights than men?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/24 07:40 PM
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