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Nah fam. I like things to be balanced. If she's just taking from me and not giving back, I don't want her
/r/MensRights12/07/26 01:11 AM
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I was posted in that group at least twice lol
/r/MensRights12/07/26 01:10 AM
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Yeah, okkk
/r/MensRights04/07/26 07:00 AM
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They are definitely playing power games. And unfortunately, some of the most attractive women are the worst at this. My target market is successful, college educated women. These women appreciate and value what I bring to the table. My rules won't be an issue for them. Now, I'd be wasting my time with an attractive woman with a high school education, though. Their horizons are so narrow, narcissism so high, that they can't perceive my value correctly. They literally are looking for sponsors.
/r/MensRights04/07/26 06:59 AM
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Facts! Lol
/r/MensRights04/07/26 06:51 AM
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To each its own. If you fully commit (especially marriage) to a woman without understanding your sexual compatibility beforehand then you aren't doing your due diligence.
/r/MensRights04/07/26 03:34 AM
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Yeah, that's because she's your partner.
/r/MensRights04/07/26 03:33 AM
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Are you slow? Lol. How in the world did you get custody hearing from my dating etiquette guide for men? You sound like someone who routinely gets taken advantage of, but to each its own, my friend. When they declare they are celibate, they are doing so in a general sense (on their dating app profile) and that's so they can screen for "provider" guys like you who don't expect anything in return for your time/$/effort. I've never had a woman target me for celibacy and I'm pretty sure that isn't wh…
/r/MensRights04/07/26 03:25 AM
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If I add "consent for kiss" in the rules, it would be worded as follows: If she needs verbal consent before a kiss, then drop her ass lol. I get your intent here (it's well meaning) but if we're managing behavior to that level of detail, then I don't want her around. Big red flag for me.
/r/MensRights04/07/26 01:36 AM
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Yeah, I'm totally fine paying for coffee or drinks for the first date. But I won't even offer it if she's being bratty in our lead up interactions
/r/MensRights03/07/26 11:26 PM
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But 5s aren't "cute" though...that's why they are 5s lol
/r/seduction25/06/26 11:45 PM
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Self defeating. Guys who lack the self respect to have high standards are the reason we -- men, as a collective -- cannot get a better deal in negotiations in dating. Too desperate, no discipline. You can get all you described AND more with better looking women if men banded together and rejected the current, shitty dating market.
/r/seduction25/06/26 11:44 PM
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That logic is flawed. You're devaluing yourself by settling for less. Gotta invest in inner game - detachment, self care, etc
/r/seduction25/06/26 11:35 PM
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Because you're devaluing yourself, and you're giving women everywhere the upper hand in dating negotiations. Let's say, for example, you're a 8, and your standard is 7 and up. If you get frustrated because you can't find 7s and up, and you drop your standards to 5-6s, then now, you're giving 5-6s access to an 8-level guy. If men at all levels do this then it becomes a race to the bottom with the guys at the lower tier being completely shut out of the dating market.
/r/seduction25/06/26 11:32 PM
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You can't get the 4-5s because the dudes "above you" have dropped their standards & now they are fucking the 4-5s that would've been available to you. Fellas gotta have more self-pride than this. Gotta form a strategic alliance. Continue becoming the best version of yourself and do NOT go below your standards.
/r/seduction25/06/26 11:26 PM
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Nah bra, you gotta do the opposite. I get it, if you drop your standards "in the moment", you might get laid, but the problem with that is that it erodes your self esteem because the quality of women you're actually fucking is lower than what you told yourself you can fuck. Plus, you're making competition worse for everyone else. If you lower your standards, then the dudes below you have to lower theirs, too, to get laid, & so on, so forth, until it's a race to the bottom. The ONLY way out of th…
/r/seduction25/06/26 11:23 PM
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This was the year of cutting off women who weren't giving me what I needed. If she was below standards looks wise and wasn't making up for via requested threesomes or some other factor, I cut her ass off cold. Life is too short, I've worked too hard, and invested too much time to be the best version of myself to be fucking women I'm barely attracted to. I'd rather he completely alone and watch porn. And tbh, people like me...like US...were a part of the problem. As long as we keep fucking 4-5-6s…
/r/seduction25/06/26 11:17 PM
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Yawn. Anyone else don't want to hear a fucking woman opine about "masculinity" or the affairs of men? There was nothing wrong with masculinity as a concept in the first place. Sure, there are bad men. That doesn't mean masculinity in general is "bad" or toxic. That messaging is being pushed by a chorus of squawking feminists and lesbians that are seeking power at the expense of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 08:46 PM
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Invited this girl out to a winery for drinks and then we went to a lounge afterwards. Not ONCE did she remove her wallet to offer to pay the shared expenses. We're in a public space so I didn't make a scene about it, but I note it and basically write her off. Listen, I don't give a fuck who invited who. The invite has to happen or the hangout doesn't happen. If I'm out with you, & you don't offer to pay anything, you are a TAKER, period. You lack the necessary social skills for true partnership.…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 06:55 AM
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Edited for accuracy: a man supporting his wife and children is not simping. A man providing for an able-bodied, grown woman who can also contribute resources to the household IS simping.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 02:39 PM
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I see your point. Because you don't perceive men encouraging other men to address the issues, you believe they don't care. I'd counter that men do encourage other men to address issues if/when it is brought to their attention. But this vulnerability is reserved for a select group of their friends, if anyone at all. Generally speaking, men aren't cooperative with other men unless there's a common goal. Being vulnerable is seen as weakness. But men are increasingly caring about the issues because …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 02:48 PM
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Don't think of it in terms of rights, think of it in terms of issues. Once you frame it that way, there are numerous issues dogging men that have a systemic, social undercurrent: suicide rates, drop-out rates, college attendance rates, lack of third spaces, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 04:03 AM
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If they already want to do it, then persuasion wouldn't be necessary would it?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 03:40 PM
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OP, you are a narcissist. You are not viewing your partner as a fellow human with desires independent of your own. In your mind, the moment you have declined a proposal, that conversation is permanently over. That's ridiculous. That's not how negotiations work. That's not how compromise works. I think you have forgotten what it means to be disrespectful so I've included a definition: "Disrespectful describes behavior, speech, or attitudes that are rude, impolite, or show a lack of esteem and cou…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 03:16 PM
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OP, who are you to say what a "good" man is? Debate Point 1:" If a man is trying to pressure you to have sex with him sooner (pushing boundaries) he isn't respecting you or your comfort." Rebuttal 1: People freely associate with each other from the position of self-interest, whatever that interest is. The woman who conditions going on dates with men based on whether a guy pays for it, isn't a bad woman based off that fact alone. Similarly, a guy who is exploring your sexual boundaries by seeking…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 03:03 PM
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My friend, defending all men as if they're some sort of scourge is a weak position. Your very defense gives credibility to the claim. Instead, I would politely correct people when they make incorrect statements in your presence. Ex. "Men murder people" --> "No, people murder people" Challenge people's thinking. My girlfriend is ultra liberal...some of her views are downright feminist because she has many feminist friends. When she says some stupid shit in my presence, it will be challenged & deb…
/r/MensRights06/03/26 09:48 PM
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No, it's the right post. You posted in a comment: "...passport bros will say "I'm just looking for a woman who isn't as nasty as western women" instead of admitting "I want a woman who's trained to be submissive by actual patriarchies and/or will do anything for my money, like fucking me". " My comment stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 03:13 PM
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If "she's using me for my resources" was NOT a real problem then why don't you, woman, pay for dates? And geez, stfu about the patriarchy already. I promise you there's no "bro conspiracy" to hold you down. Women have agency. You co-opted the society you live in. It wasn't forced on you by gunpoint.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 03:05 PM
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I hear you....totally understand
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 06:32 AM
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Dude, I'm not sure how you do it. I understand your logic... But geez. Even when I go out with a woman I'm lukewarm about, it makes me sick to my stomach during the date. I'm repulsed by it. And if I see a guy on a date with a chick that I'm actually attracted to then that will make me disgusted with myself. Such a waste of time, money, effort, etc. I've worked entirely too hard, and have invested so much into myself to be going on dates with unattractive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 04:34 AM
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I saw that at Target...shameless
/r/MensRights13/02/26 07:56 PM
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My bad
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 04:12 AM
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I"m not trying to convince you of anything. You're summarily dismissed! K, thx, bye
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 03:40 PM
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Yeah okk. & it's not my job to prove my argument to you. So, go slither away.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 03:02 PM
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It's my lived experience friend. My entire career we were managed by diversity metrics that required us to have a certain percentage of women in our "high earning positions". I'm sure you can find sources online. I'm federal so I am sure this was going on in private industry, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 01:34 PM
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Yep. I'm a CPA & I work for a research and development company. We actively recruit women for the sake of having women scientists and engineers. The majority of my department (I'm the CFO) is women. I recognized very early in my career that the playing field was not level.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 01:32 PM
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Job quotas. Reserving a certain amount of positions for women. They've been around my entire career. Job quotas and preferential treatment to women OVER men is oppression for men. The lampooning of men via media over the same time IS oppression for men. I can go on... Men were never given a "leg up" in the job market. We simply had to compete. And yes, women became our competitors and we were too slow to see them as such.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 01:29 PM
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What exasperated matters in dating is that when women entered the workforce in mass in the 1970s. Competitive forces changed in a profound way that guys were slow to respond to. Women entering the workforce meant that guys were no longer competing against other guys for job opportunities; guys were now also competing against women, and these women were increasingly getting privileged access to prime jobs via quotas. Making matters worse, a combination of H1-B lotteries & illegal immigration brou…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/26 11:07 AM
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Sounds like woman-slamming to me
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/26 10:21 PM
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Thought policing is a real phenomenon. What's needed in this era of hyper-divisiveness is moderation. But if you put you're a moderate or apolitical on your dating profile, you're assumed to be scum of the earth. That's a power move. Trying to browbeat men into thought compliance via the vagina. I lecture/mansplain to my liberal girlfriend all the time about the perspectives of the right. & it's not because I'm conservative (I'm moderate/apolitical), it's because I want to challenge her thinking…
/r/MensRights27/01/26 08:36 PM
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Some, not most bring wives. The majority do not. There's data on this. Check it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 10:00 AM
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Class and ethnicity is not a hard boundary for dating. People will negotiate these things if there's a shortage of suitable partners who meet their criteria. H1B holders make good money. They just are willing to do the job for less pay than Americans. Regardless, no prime aged man is working for the sake of paying for necessities and sending money "back home". That would be a miserable life. They certainly make room in the budget to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 05:35 AM
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Aside from this, you know what's really influencing standards? I offer this opinion, apolitically btw. There are too many prime age men relative to women in the US. Our immigration policies contributed to this imbalance. H1-B visa holders are mostly men (look it up). Some bring wives, but most do not. Border crossers looking for work are also mostly men (look it up). These men don't just come to work in the US...they also compete in the dating market. They want to find companions, too. I don't h…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 03:57 AM
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SIMP = someone who is getting taken advantage of in a relationship. Simps, imo, are people with low self worth and/or social skills to navigate healthy relationships. The reason people do NOT like SIMPs is because it is inherently dishonest/manipulative to the receiver, sending false signals to their ego. No one "deserves the world" simply for existing. The SIMPs manipulation, left unchecked, creates toxic dating dynamics.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/26 04:30 PM
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Huh? Are the kids being home schooled? If not (most likely), then why is the spouse sacrificing 18 years of their career to rear children? Once the kids are in school during normal business hours, that spouse can/should be in the real world earning a living like everyone else!!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 09:04 PM
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Important to note that men are not a monolith. I agree with OP that (some) men marry for regular access to sex. But to balance the perspective, I'll add that they're also men who avoid marriage and even long term relationships because that regular access too sex becomes boring, too familiar, scripted, & feels like work.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 09:21 PM
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Yes. I was creative there lol. I've never did or said anything that should've resulted in a ban. Hinge is the speech & morality police. You can be banned for fictional "offline behavior" if a woman reports it
/r/seduction17/12/25 04:22 PM
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I got banned multiple times on different accounts lol
/r/seduction17/12/25 04:15 PM
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The macro problem here in the US is that there are too many prime age men relative to the pool to prime age women. Now, local dating markets vary in terms of ratios of men to women with the Bay area experiencing a total sausage fest while NYC & DMV are swimming in women. But in general, there are too many prime aged men in the US. Why are there too many men? At birth, on average, there are more male births than females. There hasn't been a major war in a long time. Prison reform gave people more…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 04:13 PM
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30s is young man. You're only 10 or so years in what could be a 50+ year adulthood if you live to 80s. You should be after women in their 20s & early 30s. Giving your finite attention, energy, and resources to older women is playing the game wrong lol
/r/seduction17/12/25 05:02 AM
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As you get older, your age bracket will naturally get older... My unsolicited advice: don't waste your youth chasing older women. NOTHING beats the experience of a tight, supple, nubile woman.
/r/seduction17/12/25 04:32 AM
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This campaign will only further alienate men from women. People hate unfairness. Asking your average guy (who probably hasn't gotten laid in years, if ever) to confront other guys (risking physical violence against himself) for some narcissistic woman who both hates and uses men is the dumbest policy proposal I've seen in a long time. I live in the US. It's bad here, but not that bad.
/r/MensRights15/12/25 03:49 PM
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I've never heard of that but I'd actually argue the opposite in today's world where women are upwardly mobile, educated, and have their own income. It's no longer a flex to have a guy pay for a date. Think about it intuitively, if the guy pays for the date, then that implies he is "less valuable than her" and is paying to make up the difference. An extreme example of this are pay pig guys who pay for onlyfans content. These guys are LOSERS. So if she had a guy pay for her date, she'd be just lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 12:03 AM
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What an idiot... he's raising a generation of Simps.
/r/MensRights09/12/25 04:05 PM
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I wouldn't discredit online advocacy. I would suggest extending it to social media. What I mean is, if you see misandry or double standards on Facebook, IG, etc, use your online voice to combat it. Social media is a community and people gauge what is/is not socially acceptable in part from that community.
/r/MensRights06/12/25 09:18 PM
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Do NOT do it. She has to invest, too. Make her cover her flight & you cover the rest: dates, lodging, etc. She has to have skin in the game.
/r/seduction01/12/25 07:37 AM
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There is no "gender pay gap" after you account for personal choices.
/r/MensRights12/11/25 10:17 PM
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It's refreshing to see balanced reporting from a student-run newspaper. Recently, people where in an uproar because they thought the Indiana Daily Student (newspaper for IU) was being censored. The reality was the newspaper was ultra-liberal and biased against men and more conservative voices. When a newspaper loses its neutrality, it becomes a propaganda machine imo.
/r/MensRights23/10/25 02:55 PM
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You have a scripted way of thinking. Why, in your scenario, is it the guy with a 7 figure bank account paying for a woman? Why can't that script be reversed? What natural law dictates that a man should pay for a woman to go on a date? We don't live in the 1600s anymore. You need to re-examine the long held scripts you have in your head about who pays and why. Examine the underlying causes...not just because it's tradition or routine. At any rate, thank you for your attention. I've said enough on…
/r/seduction26/08/25 02:36 PM
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I don't understand your point so I'll clarify mine with a real example: I invited a woman to my apartment pool for a swim and BBQ. Told her I was getting the meat & BBQing and I asked her to grab sides and drinks. She agreed. It's that simple. And once she got there, she internalized the cooperation because she began helping me with BBQ tasks (taking grilled meat back inside my place, throwing trash away, etc). That's how life works man. I tell people all the time -- I have ONE dependent, that's…
/r/seduction26/08/25 01:47 PM
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Attraction is where desirability and inaccessbility meet. My guess is that she lost Attraction because you were too needy/accessible. Not trying to insult you, just fancying a guess. I suggest you do two things: Boost your desirability and become less accessible. This may or may not "win her back"... and that's ok. Your goal shouldn't be to win her back because even if you are successful it will be short term and it will come at the price of you losing more Attraction. To boost desirability -- g…
/r/seduction26/08/25 04:44 AM
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Absolutely not. You (me, all of us) teach people how to treat us. If you pay for everything, then you are teaching them that you value them so much that you are willing to pay for their time. Which also unintentionally subcommunicates that your time and presence is less valuable. From the very beginning, you must "train" the person you are dating to cooperate and reciprocate. They will value you more as a result and it should contribute to a healthy relationship dynamic. Otherwise, you might end…
/r/seduction26/08/25 04:09 AM
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💯
/r/seduction29/07/25 04:21 PM
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My friend, I understand your point of view. You're attempting to align your dating strategy to what "women want". Understandable. What I'm suggesting is that you ignore that tired script and you decide for yourself what you will offer based on what's being offered to you. Let's assume you opened every door for your woman...car door, building doors, etc. And, let's assume that you wore a driver's hat and a suit while doing so. To outsiders, you would look totally subservient...like her chauffeur.…
/r/seduction29/07/25 03:03 PM
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Valid point friend. I'll answer your question with a question: since when did being a chauffeur become equated with good manners? Does she open your car door? If so, why not? Pregnancy is different. We aren't talking about situations involving pregnancy or the elderly or people otherwise disadvantaged physically. We are talking about able-bodied women doing stuff for themselves and for others. The script of being a polite tool for a woman's use ("manners") is so ingrained in people's heads, so i…
/r/seduction29/07/25 06:50 AM
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Are you her chauffeur? Opening a door to a building is "ok" but only as a courtesy to all people, gender agnostic. Routinely opening a car door for one person, in this case, your woman, is subservient. You should reserve that level of service for women who are providing you with an exceptional amount of service in return, or not at all. Plus, whenever you do something for her like that you are robbing her of her agency.
/r/seduction29/07/25 06:09 AM
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A few possibilities: 1. To reclaim his freedom & options. If the relationship dynamic is too restrictive, then that's a turn off for some guys. The relationship tempo was too much for him...he needed more space & didn't want to directly ask for it. Sex was mid/boring. Vanilla sex has diminishing returns...ESPECIALLY if the guy has had alot of sex. Sex doesnt produce the same dopamine hits. So he needs variety to satisfy that craving. If you're an exclusive type of woman and not open to threesome…
/r/seduction18/04/25 10:34 PM
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That's true!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 06:19 PM
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Yeah I dont agree with that, per se. She might not like sleeping around herself, but she's OK if you do, albeit responsibly. Glad you put the term "allow" in quotes because Im not exactly asking for permission. Im informing them of my plans.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 06:19 PM
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Yes, Im familiar with the dormancy period. Thats why I get tested minimum twice a year regardless of my sexual activity. I do not hide my hedonism from anyone. Life is too short, and I'm too grown for those games. Instead, I invite people to responsibly play with me! Thanks for the discussion! Have a good weekend
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 06:16 PM
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Well that deserves a post and conversation by itself. I believe in being the best version of myself because I want my partner to be with me out of natural attraction, not obligation.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 03:48 PM
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Yeah, people typically dont make that choice. I agree with you. People tend to be possessive and jealous when it comes to their partner. But it sounds like you found a winning formula!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 03:40 PM
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Yeah, but isn't it the responsibility of the person withholding sex to notify their partner about why they dont want to have sex? Otherwise, the sex-deprived partner can't address the issue
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 03:39 PM
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Sex is inherently risky for everyone! Lol Unwanted pregnancy and STIs impact men and women alike. But, to your point, the value of sex = 0 until he actually receives it. The value of potential sex = pretty small, and yes, that factors into the equation.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 03:37 PM
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Precisely, my guy. If she increases her expectations, then she needs to increase the value she adds to the guy! * Cue siren call for threesomes & hallpasses lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 03:35 PM
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Thanks for the lecture. Truly, I embrace your message of womanizing reform as I kick off Valentine's Day. I get tested minimum twice per year. & my recent results just came in before ❤️day! Mr. Clean...I'll have to drive back the female hordes with a stick to keep them from putting my popsicle in their mouths. Doxy Prep, condoms, and selectivity help manage the risk of STIs. My wonderful past has not prevented me from raising a beautiful child & forming meaningful relationships...but hey, that d…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 03:32 PM
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Steps up to podium Thank you! Just a quick shot out to Esquire magazine for inspiring me to womanize, ethically. Couldn't have done this without you!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 04:01 AM
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You wouldn't be the first woman who told me I took her breath away🙃
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 03:59 AM
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Lol....if we define "life experience" by the number of women I've had intimate relationships with then I could fill an auditorium with my n count, Miss sassy pants
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 03:53 AM
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Well, don't keep us all in suspense, tinkerbell...give us your list of how you avoid dating scumbags! Scintillating reading, I'm sure lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 01:33 AM
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I see our misunderstanding... Let me clarify again: exclusivity is costly to men with options
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/25 12:00 AM
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You totally just re-wrote that definition, my friend. You should re-read it.. a bit more slowly.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 11:57 PM
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I agree that cheating is an action a person chooses to take. I do not agree that a person who chose to cheat is "a terrible person". The cheating was an indiscretion... an impulsive decision that fostered learning about true empathy in relationships. Cheating can be personally insightful.😃
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 11:54 PM
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I am high key a sociopath, you're pretty observant. It's not about sex on the 1st date...it could be 2nd date, or even no date (just skip straight to sex). The point is about both parties adding value...& yes, value is subjective
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 11:50 PM
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Agree to disagree, my lady
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 11:47 PM
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Why do you feel someone owes you a conversation before they stop talking to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 11:46 PM
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I'm not sure Im following your logic, but I'm kinda of a dense jock, so I'm guessing it's me. To clarify, exclusivity is costly to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 11:45 PM
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You got it all figured out. You go girl! Boss bitch! "The future is female" frfr lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 11:42 PM
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Ironically, I'm a CPA. I'm here for the debits and credits, and "writing off" hoes that don't add tangible value or only have depreciated assets 🤣😇 In all seriousness, guys are viewing dating as exchanges because that's what they are...no matter how you slice it. & more power to guys who are careful about how they spend their time, money, and energy!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 11:41 PM
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If you're not contributing to the date, you're out of here lol For sure. Caspering your ass haha. Woman A isn't glad that I dumped her...Woman A - her words, not mine - "loves me" and I could probably re-enter her life today if I wanted. Not to brag, but because I am intentional about adding value to people I date...& let's just say, she really enjoyed that value😉
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 11:38 PM
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Hey there! You know the rule: never insult the cooking when you're the guest! 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 11:35 PM
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I agree that value is subjective. People in the relationship have to determine that for themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 11:34 PM
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I'm proud of you for not dating scumbags. Maybe you can share your "How I avoid dating scumbags" listicle to readers in another post?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 11:33 PM
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Men bring those things, too? So it's a wash
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 11:30 PM
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I approve of you, bro
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 11:30 PM
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No, Im not trolling. Im dead serious
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 11:28 PM
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Here you go my friend...I don't make the rules lol <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 11:28 PM
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In theory, yes, but again, that doesn't mean that taking a self- justified act is without consequences. The consequences are important and reflect what other posters have mentioned about the social expectation of acceptable conduct
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 11:26 PM
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I like that...let's cheat together! Co-cheat lol... but that's just "ethical non-monogamy"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 11:24 PM
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Ok, it's a "crime" in Michigan lol. Is it enforced? It's definitely not a federal crime. I've never heard of anyone arrested for adultery Plus, if you're unmarried and in a relationship, then no crime committed if you cheat...even in Michigan!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 11:21 PM
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You might have to straddle apts until you get one terminated 😉
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 11:19 PM
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I barely can string together my shoes in the morning, so it checks out, Ms Pink Woman lol ¯_(ツ)_/¯
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 09:58 PM
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Because I'm a selfish prick, and might like having her around. If I cheat, I can have my cake and eat it too... Im joking lol. If I wasn't being satisfied, I would dump her. Thats the right thing to do imo
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 09:55 PM
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Agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 09:36 PM
0

Here's my belief...& I mean this...& I discuss it with partners. I only want you with me IF you want to be with me. If you no longer want to be with me, please feel free to leave. If you want to be with me, but you want some side action, we can talk openly about it OR you can satisfy that itch privately and don't bring anything back to me, medically or reputationally. I am not a possession person. & I realize that some people will struggle with permanent exclusivity
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 09:35 PM
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It was kind of a joke, but let me clarify...if you have mentioned to someone that your sexual needs aren't being met, and they don't remedy it, then they shouldn't be surprised if they get cheated on or dumped. It's emotionally immature for them to expect someone to be ok with not getting their needs met.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 08:49 PM
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I think youre interpreting my 1:1 comment too literally. No one will be jotting contributions down on a scoreboard, agree, but people do internally keep track of social exchanges. Breaking a promise one time isn't a pattern of behavior that warrants calling someone a betrayer. That goes for business or social. People evaluate others based on their "body of work"...if you honor promises 95% of the time or more, you're probably good.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 08:47 PM
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I 100% agree. Which is why exclusivity is sooo costly.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 08:35 PM
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Just because "normal people" don't talk about it doesn't mean they don't consider it in their relationships. I don't quite get the point you're making here but the last sentence actually reads like we agree with each other. You're just saying it differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 08:34 PM
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I used hallpasses and threesomes as an example... That's what works for ME lol. Some men may want different things. But for me, exclusivity is super costly. It feels like I've lost psychological air to breathe. I tell women I date that I operate more like a cat than a dog. Meaning, dogs, you can put leashes on to constrain their movements. Cats will rebel against leashes BUT will definitely stick around if they are getting their needs met. Believe it or not, I'm a controlled guy...I don't just s…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 08:33 PM
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I like the attempt to summarize but not quite. My take is: if you want to keep whatever relationship type you have going (could be anytime: monogamous, poly, open, etc), you should pay attention to the value exchanges. Specifically, make sure you are adding value that's wanted, and, demand value in return. Lastly, if the people or terms of the relationship change, you might need to change your value contribution.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 08:24 PM
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I'll take your word for it. If you don't "give a fuck", then why are you taking the time to respond to the posts? You don't have to answer that... but godspeed, my friend. I hope you find what you're looking for...whatever it is, even if it's nothing 😀
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 08:21 PM
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What's premature sex? What other value do women bring? That's awesome to hear when a woman is bringing something other than sex. Sex has diminishing returns imo...gotta bring something else to the table. Good point.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 08:19 PM
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Why can't it be both? That is, men "own their decisions" and women self-exploring how they contribute to their own relational demises?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 08:17 PM
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Because Im the OP...I can debate what I want😜
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 08:16 PM
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I understand. That's a thoughtful take. Relationships are always a risk, right? If you're lucky, the person you're with sticks to their commitment and continues to invest in the relationship. People who stop sexually satisfying their partner should be cheated on lol...sorry, don't shoot the messenger...just my $0.02
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 08:15 PM
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Funny story...but I have these sort of conversations with women I date. If they have thick skin, and are open to ideas, I'm happy to discuss my point of view. We can attack the point of view, but not the person. If they accept those rules of engagement, then game on!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 08:06 PM
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I agree...that's why I'm not with her
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 08:03 PM
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My personal experiences, my friend😀 Well, and those of others I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 08:02 PM
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It's not 1:1 all the time...but it should be 1:1 on average, over time, in my opinion. Who determines what is a failure of character for anyone? Let's use an example...comparing committed relationships to apartment leases. Let's say you signed an apt lease promising to rent an apt for 1 year... 3 months into this lease, you find a better deal, and decide to renege on your promise, move into a new apt, and break the lease. Of course, there will be consequences for this, but you accept them in pur…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 08:00 PM
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I'm pretty sure your women-pandering will not benefit you here lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 07:54 PM
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Why are there no valid reasons to cheat? You should reconsider your position. I can name many. One obvious one is that I just want to. As a sovereign person with agency over my body, and decision rights over my actions, I can decide to cheat and accept the consequences of cheating. That's a valid reason -- to me-- to cheat.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 07:53 PM
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You can post your debate about men in a separate post. In this post, we are debating women 🙂
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 07:51 PM
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You don't have to take the advice. But I'd consider it. Sounds like you're quite the catch with your tone here...lol you would be ghosted the 1st message I received from you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 07:47 PM
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Woman A would like to have a word lol. She's still pursuing me haha
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 07:44 PM
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You are probably eliminating a large portion of your dating pool. I don't know any guy in my professional circle who "chases", or pays for 3 consecutive dates. Speaking from experience, anytime there was an imbalance in dating contributions, once I had sex with her, I ghosted her. After having sex with a woman twice, the novelty is gone. It's all downhill from there. Bottom line is people might feel resentment if they perceive someone is getting over on them. & it sounds like you are offering "s…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/25 05:53 AM
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Hinge used to be ok but it is hot garbage 🗑 now. There are numerous fake profiles, and I read somewhere that Hinge actually pays influencers to set up profiles to boost membership. If you're a guy, and you say one thing a woman dislikes, you're banned for life with little explanation.
/r/seduction14/11/24 12:02 AM
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I'm not single, tho?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/24 12:18 AM
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Who is "y'all"? I'm not sure I'm making sense of your critique here.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/24 11:26 PM
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The days of trading power/status for beauty are OVER. If you are a high power, high status guy, then dating a lower power, lower status woman is a high-risk, asymmetrical bet that isn't in your favor. Example: The guy who reaches the top of his org chart decides to date the office intern. For her, it's a great bet! She gets privileged access to the boss, immediate influence, and she has leverage against him should things not pan out as she hoped. For the boss, all he gets is some tail from an un…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/24 02:46 PM
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100% agree...check out Rejection Theory https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/NC6PTHTtfa
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/24 06:20 PM
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To each its own, but I disagree. You shouldn't give anyone a monopoly over your sex drive. Sex releases endorphins that can create chemical dependencies and addiction, similar to substance use. The difference is that you have no control over the source of your addiction -- sex with your partner. From a self-preservation perspective, you should have other sources (potential or active) of sexual releases to reduce your sexual dependency on one person. I know guys that have been completely devastat…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/24 02:18 AM
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If a woman says "she'll keep you updated" then you do not have plans with her. You should seek alternative plans.
/r/seduction13/07/24 08:08 AM
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I'm not sure that has been studied, my friend.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 08:19 PM
1

Exactly. And people are confusing correlation with causation. You can't make a claim that X causes Y without ruling out anything else that might be causing Y.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 08:18 PM
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Your point misses my point. You can't say something exists -- in this case, causation a la "gender is creating a pay gap" -- without controlling for factors that offer alternative explanations for the existence of the said thing. That's basic statistical analysis my friend. And so, after isolating gender and removing all other plausible explanations for the pay gap, it's been determined that there is no pay gap. Class dismissed.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/24 08:15 PM
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I'm not sure I understand your point, my friend. But I recommend that you do a quick Google search of gender pay gap...there are multiple, non-partisan, reputable sources that have debunked that myth. We can cherry-pick data to present any slant we want...and once that data point is out, it's hard to put the genie back in the bottle. For example, where's the uproar about the short-men pay gap? Or, where's the research into the salary differences between fat and fit people? Etc etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 04:00 PM
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What gender pay gap? After accounting for differences in education, experience, career choice, etc, I'm pretty sure economists have shown that there is no gender pay gap. It's been debunked time and again.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 07:48 AM
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You lost me right at the moment you said "see her as a service provider and figure out what she needs from you." If she's a service provider, then shouldn't she be figuring out what I need from her? She's providing the service, not me.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/24 02:02 PM
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I'm not dating as a way to expose bad actors. I'm simply ensuring the date starts off fair by removing the default "man pays the bill" option. I'm dating with the same honest intent as everyone else.
/r/MensRights21/06/24 06:30 AM
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I'll raise you.... arrive before she does and tell the server then that it will be on split checks. Element of surprise
/r/MensRights20/06/24 06:11 AM
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Concur. Also important to foster humanity and kindness
/r/MensRights16/06/24 07:25 PM
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I understand that. But for me, it's just become so ingrained in my routines that it doesn't feel like a cognitive load. I just do occasional, quick scans of my environment to look for abnormalities. To me, that cognitive expenditure is well worth the reaction time gained in the event something happens. Today's world is not the world of yesteryear. You can get shot dead for no reason walking through the mall or the grocery store. Low probability, yes, but a devastating outcome if it occurs. I hav…
/r/MensRights16/06/24 03:33 PM
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I feel your pain. Unfortunately, that's the world we live in. A man in distress is invisible unless he's famous or novel somehow. Definitely have to increase your situational awareness. I assume I can be attacked every time I leave my house. And definitely want to stay in the gym and take self defense classes. Young punks are the worst..
/r/MensRights16/06/24 05:54 AM
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* Agree with some of this but disagree with other parts. One thing I'd like to point out is that unattractive women do NOT have the same privilege as an attractive woman. It's like night and day. In the hetero dating sphere, unattractive women get offers for sex (not relationships), are pumped and dumped, have a harder time finding a mate, and are not competitive for the most desirable mates because few men want an unattractive woman. Plus, she's invisible to many men even at the cream of her yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/24 02:08 PM
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If you want to proceed, there must be a negative stimulus to her pullback. Otherwise, it will be easy for her to do it again. So, as an example, you can delay your response to her reconciliation attempt. Wait a week, and then, say something to the effect of "I understand. If we're going to hangout going forward, then you need to improve your communication. Going absent like that isn't cool." Further, do NOT initiate the first post-reconciliation hangout (let her do it). Furthermore, politely tur…
/r/seduction09/06/24 03:38 PM
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I have never, ever in my life paid a woman's bills....never will. And I have no issues getting women. You have to establish expectations and set boundaries. If a woman is not contributing to the party, kick her ass to the curb and find someone who will. She's a grown woman, not a child.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/24 02:28 AM
1

Hinge is waaay worst than Bumble in terms of price gouging and unexplained and un-appealable shadow bans. Match Group's stock price took a hit too.
/r/MensRights07/11/23 07:42 PM
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You should also let your invisible boyfriend know that a sad Internet scumbag is renting a luxury apartment in your head.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 07:03 PM
2

100% agree cat lady
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 04:57 PM
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The woman doesn't know a man's value, got it... And the man knows the woman's value? A date that she plans would showcase her value. Unless, of course, you believe that a woman's value boils down to physical attractiveness which declines over time.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 04:57 PM
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And you think men want to waste effort of resources? Like you said "most people aren't going to invest in something that they have little knowledge about...". (American) Men can't get prostitutes because they are illegal. If they could get prostitutes there would be a lot more cat ladies than what we have now haha
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 03:26 PM
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You mean the money/time you spend to make yourself NOT look like yourself? That's nonsense. No one asked you to do that. Not sure where you're getting your facts that there are more men than women wanting to date...you're delusional. The dating ratio depends on where you live and your age demographic. You have competition too... especially if he's an accomplished,. attractive men. The women who will get the best men are the women who practice reciprocity and who contribute to dates too.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 03:23 PM
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People who label people as one thing or another without knowing anything about them simply because they used a term are knuckle dragging idiots. Anyway, agree to disagree about gender roles. I agree with biological differences though.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 07:09 AM
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Men are "providers and protectors" is a social construct. Regardless, men don't protect/provide for free. So if he's protecting/providing on the first date, she needs to be fucking/submitting on the first date too.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 07:02 AM
4

How about her mouth gets significantly closer to his dick?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 06:58 AM
3

The person who plans the date (planning takes effort/time) and pays for it has double paid... They absolutely should expect something in return whether it's 50/50 split, head, sex, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 06:57 AM
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If it's as simple as that then the women should pay for the first date and expect to get nothing out of the meal. Like you said, the women should do it out of "pure kindness" and "interest".
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 06:53 AM
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I almost threw up in my mouth: "By letting you pay, I'd quickly learn some entry level facts of your character and be able to dismiss you out of hand." This is entitled garbage.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 06:51 AM
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Trolling.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 06:49 AM
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No offense but this is a stupid answer. What makes it "good etiquette" for the man (and not the woman or both parties) to pay for the date? And why should anyone care to observe this "good etiquette"?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/23 06:48 AM
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Ha, good luck with your cats.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 06:41 AM
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CAP 🧢 🤣
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 06:28 AM
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Ha, what nonsense. Bye Felicia. Yes, women should contribute 50/50. Good luck providing a high quality of life for yourself on a single income. Women are among the most indebted demographic in America. Emotional needs? If a dog fully meets your emotional needs then you're by your own admission an emotionally stunted person. Physical needs? Sticking an inanimate object into your bottomless hole isn't the same as human touch. Childcare duties? Single parents, particularly single women, produce ter…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 06:26 AM
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Competitive negotiation is an approach to negotiation...as is collaborative negotiation. It's a blurry line between the two when it comes to the opposite sex. That's why all is fair in love and war.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/23 12:47 AM
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They've always been competitors in dating. You're thinking about competition too narrowly my friend. In dating, women sit across the negotiation table from men; in this capacity, they compete directly with men where there are conflicting interests. 'Battle of the sexes' implies competition. So, now that you agree that women have been and are competitors of men in dating, it might be easier to understand how direct competition between men and women in another domain (i.e. the workplace) would int…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 04:33 PM
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Now that women are full participants in the labor force, they are quite literally men's competition for scarce resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/23 08:53 AM
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😂
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/23 12:39 AM
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💯
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 02:33 PM
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Even older women nowadays can be entitled and obnoxious...have you been on a dating app recently lol
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 02:33 PM
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OP sounds delusional. The $20 coffee date helps the man mitigate the risk of women being a waste of his time. If he rolled out the red carpet for every woman he went out on a date with he'd be completely taken advantage of. What do most American women bring to the table besides a depreciating asset ( youth and "beauty") and a toxic, feminist attitude? Sex with women in a monogamous relationship is one of the most overrated things ever... Just ask any man with post-nut clarity how he rates the wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/23 02:28 PM
1

I like that... Whores are more fun than the fussy queens.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 03:10 PM
1

The Queen is dead. Long live the King.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 03:09 PM
1

Another suggestion (don't shoot the messenger🙂): If you want to avoid raising kids who have an absent father, look inward and stop/prevent yourself from using gaslighting techniques to disrupt/interfere/block the relationship between the kids and the father. There are bitter women out there who use their kids as pawns in a power game of revenge against their exes. These women position themselves as the power broker between the children and their exes so if the ex wants to see/engage with the kid…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/23 03:03 PM
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Lol @ the you should never put stickers on a luxury car examples. If it's a sticker then maybe it's a bad tattoo? Here's another way to frame the tattoo aesthetic: custom wraps and paint jobs on cars -- if selected correctly -- look better than the factory option every single time. Signed, a highly educated, cultured exec with tattoos 😉
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 10:43 PM
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I like your theory... but it's too impractical. Few men will voluntarily lower their libidos so they desire less sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/23 06:55 PM
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Great comments so far everyone. I appreciate the differing perspectives. That said, I want to clarify something... When I say a woman's greatest value to a man is her trade value, I'm talking about latent value. In other words, I'm NOT saying that all men would want to tap into this value nor am I saying that all women agree with this point of view.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 04:32 PM
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I don't believe you can without unintentionally screening out good candidates. Besides, players can be converted from short term to long term relationship partners. Withholding sex is probably the worst advice to give to a woman. Let's say the advice receiver follows it a la "I'm celibate until marriage" then she's going to lose alot of high quality men because they won't accept those terms...they want to try before they buy. Meanwhile, the advice-giver can ignore her own advice now that she's e…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 07:44 PM
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Lmao, same thing!
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 03:19 AM
1

Sperm donors don't raise kids "Are we dating the same guy" naively assumes that the women providing reports are being totally honest. Women might report men in that group for dishonest, selfish reasons that cannot be validated. It's quite literally accepting as truth only one side to the story. Women have sexual needs that can't be replaced by stuffing an inanimate object in their vaginas. It also can't be replaced by having another woman lick it. There's no authentic substitute for male penis. …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 03:18 AM
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Say it louder for the folks in the back. The most you should do, if you do anything, is call the cops/ambulance/fire department. That's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 02:29 AM
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You could've gotten charged with assault. That was asinine.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 02:28 AM
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Absolutely NOT. Men don't owe women shit. If men did this, then that's effectively crowd sourcing protection and reinforces the notion that women "don't need a man." That still doesn't stop simps from intervening, at the risk of their own life, into the turmoil of women they don't know in a desperate attempt at virtual signaling. Women have agency. Period. If they are concerned about their health and safety then they need to take proactive steps to mitigate risks of harm. Men have to do this eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 02:25 AM
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Disagree about age. Being younger is a disadvantage for guys ceteris paribus. I'm handsome now, but was super handsome in my 20s. It was much more difficult to get women in my 20s than it has been in my 30s and now. The positive differences between me now and then is $, status, and game.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 05:05 PM
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I agree with the lack of leverage and the need for a systemic solution. That's why I proposed #RejectionTheory Rejection Theory generates much needed leverage for the average men. All men benefit from it. Some things you can do today (if applicable): Unfollow any woman who isn't following you back on social media. Especially on Instagram and especially if she's posting thirst traps. You're giving her your attention for free. 2.Report any woman on a dating app that's promoting her social media ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/09/23 02:39 AM
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Men have agency too. Women don't unilaterally set the terms of dating culture. If men don't like the current dating split, men can choose to walk and women will adjust their expectations accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 03:35 PM
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Yes. It's called men demanding a fair price for the value they offer in dating and companionship. Women bear higher reproduction cost than men, that's true. And that's the argument put forth in favor of men courting and paying more for dates. The missing part of this dubious value equation is more controversial but no less true in my opinion: 1. New pussy is better than old pussy. The value of pussy is a declining function whereby its value is the greatest immediately before the first time you h…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 03:32 PM
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The biggest adaptation that's available to men hasn't been tried yet. Dating is a negotiation and many women have entered that negotiation saying "I don't need you" to men...and raising standards, etc to get more leverage in the negotiation. So men are sitting at a rigged negotiation table. What men should do is cast more judgment on the value that women bring to the table. Example: Criticize the use of makeup as phony, cartoonish, and a way for women to artificially inflate their beauty. If tom…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/23 03:47 AM
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No. I wouldn't date her for the same reason I wouldn't actively seek out a mediocre restaurant or a mediocre bar. Life is short and time is precious....I've worked entirely too hard to spend my precious free time and resources on a mediocre woman. But to each its own.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/23 03:01 PM
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My advice: Do not do dinner 1st dates unless she is incredibly warm and sweet to you and you like your odds of taking her home that night. I expect my women to contribute, period. It may not be the first date, but at some point she will contribute paying for stuff or I cut her off. The only dependent I have is my child. As the guy, you are already adding value by planning and coordinating the date. Being expected to pay the bill as well is unfair.
/r/MensRights12/08/23 05:36 PM
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It's rational for women to be picky...& yes, I think it's gotten more extreme. Men's response to the pickiness is irrational though. Men are almost exclusively focused on self improvement and attempting to out compete the so called top 20% of men. These aren't bad responses but it's climbing uphill. Instead of focusing on other men, men should cooperate with each other and focus on eroding the justification for the pickiness. Ex. Alot of the women I see my guy friends go crazy over look like shi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/23 04:17 AM
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I don't disagree... To each its own. At a certain point of female ugliness, I'd rather have sex with a doll, my hand, or just become a voluntary celibate 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 06:45 PM
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It's probably already been said in one of the 400+ replies you received but I'd say it boils down to this: Theoretically, settling is bad and women should not lower their standards. Practically speaking though, women are competing against other women for men who have their own standards. So if a woman's standards are too high, she's not competing effectively in the dating market and lowers her chances of finding a pair match. Best summarized via this quip: "You can have anything you want but you…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 03:01 PM
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There are certainly exceptions.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 02:52 PM
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Men also care about what their guy friends and colleagues think about the woman they are dating. Sure, they'll have sex with Butterface but will hit an about face when it comes to being seen with her in public 😂
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/23 04:09 AM
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