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I should vet my conversation partners better.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 04:38 PM
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THe compatibility some people look for is an abusive relationship. How does that not go into your head?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 03:18 PM
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No, not everybody is flawed with regards to leading to relationship problems. How are you not getting this into your head? Vetting does not help when you are drawn to toxic dynamics. Your best vetting attempt will also only produce a toxic relationship. Also, if you are low mate value, you only qualify for low mate value partners. Part of being low mate value is having a personality that leads to unstable and abusive relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 12:48 PM
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I didn't say that the vetting process should be better. I said that no matter how good the vetting process, you will not get to a point where women don't pick men with issues, that lead to relationship problems.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 08:35 AM
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<image> Nothing really changed from 2012 to now. The fluctuations you see are based on sample size. The trendlines might not even show a statistically different result between 2012 and 2024. One more year of survey results like 2024 would probably make the trendlines parallel to the x-axis. Covid was also a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 08:07 AM
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There is no one who rejects or accepts people into the red pill. There is no ideological, political or any other kind of value requirement. The red pill is information about human mating, nothing else. I'd reject you for religious background, homeschooled, limited experience, right wing and family oriented. Surprise, the red pill is not a monolith and you would probably reject me as well, despite me not having any of the characteristics you listed as being typical for red pilled men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 07:51 AM
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my point is: all the vetting you could possibly do, will not get you a partner who doesn't lead to relationship issues. People will take flawed partners over being single. It's an illusion that better vetting would get you anywhere except being single. Also, lots of people are DRAWN to bad relationship dynamics. Their "vetting" isn't even able to avoid those partners, because they actively go for them
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 07:41 AM
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Why do you assume that vetting is better than deceiving? Vetting is better than being drawn to toxic relationship dynamics because that is how the woman has been brought up? Why do you (assumably) think, that women should be able to be with a partner who doesn't have issues that lead to relationship problems? THat reeks of "women are wonderful", pedestalizing, niceguy mentality. Women are deeply flawed as well. And a deeply flawed woman is not going to get a man who has no issues. You can vet al…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/25 07:28 AM
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yeah, i can see why this is a reaction one could have. I am not aligning with hoe_maths conservative values and views, especially on the "her past"/purity stuff, but regarding this untangling of "good guy"<-> "bad guy" dichotomy and making a matrix out of it, he really did great work. My "problem" was, that while i was attractive(bad boy) enough for women, for all of the leftmost types or relationships, i really struggled with showing off less on the supportive side of things FIRST, and rather b…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 10:23 AM
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Exactly. Men are rated on a two axis coordinate system. "good guy" (relationship material, father and partner qualities) and "bad guy" (sexual attractiveness, genes). It's not two opposite ends of a spectrum. The good <-> bad might suggest that, but it's not like that. Depending on where you are rated at on both scales, you will be viewed as a candidate for different kinds of relationships, with different levels of commitment/closeness and sexual attraction. There is no way to get sexual attract…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 09:01 AM
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I see, so your location doesn't lend itself to casual sex dating. Being relationship material does not stop women from wanting to have sex with you, if you are ALSO sexually attractive and not just relationship material. Be more sexually assertive, get out of boyfriend mode and into lover mode, improve your shoulder-to-hip-ratio and facial masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 07:43 AM
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if you can somehow manage to do it: stop all of that. sell your pc or other gaming devices, delete tiktok and instagram or whatever you use. Ideally also delete reddit. See how you life automatically fills with stuff that is better and will help you on your feet. I am 41, and after having changed my life completely at the start of my 30s, i am now having the best life i could have dreamt of. I reduced gaming slowly and not forcefully though, as other things in life wanted more attention. In retr…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 07:13 AM
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You make it clear from the start, that you are not looking for a relationship, but just sex. You will filter out the ones who will only have sex with you in a relationship in this way. Other than that, this never happened to me. Having sex at the first or second date was normal when looking for a relationship. That is what the women wanted. I suggest you don't date women who are sociosexually restricted.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 07:08 AM
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i am permanently banned in both. They do not tolerate people who don't share their ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 11:34 AM
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i am not boxing something up, i am MODELING something, to better understand it and be able to make predictions. I am very humble about this model being super accurate and i, as well as all of science, am constantly trying to make it a better model, with new information and understanding. You, on the other hand, do not even make the effort to understand and model human behavior, You just KNOW without any evidence. How is that the less arrogant stance?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 11:33 AM
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First source: That is a lack of a very specific subgroup of men. The most educated, intelligent, career women are not finding enough men of equal or higher achievements, who also make good partners/fathers. Passport bros do not fit that demographic. They are not the ones who will be missed be the women who lack enough mates of that caliber. Second source: "Maybe, they propose, women aren't getting married because the highly desirable men are taken." same issue. Passport bros are not highly desir…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 11:29 AM
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Exploitation of low quality of life situations that people are in. Making them dependent on access to money/visa/etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 11:24 AM
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Everyone who studies human mating understands it as a market. Please, support your argument with something else than personal attacks. I gave linkes, sources and explanations in the other commen in this tree.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 11:23 AM
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I am a man of science. Science models human mating with markets and market dynamics. It's the best model we have and i do not see how it would not fit. People have a mate value that is determined by market interactions of the people in the market, just like with other markets. Science found that human mating follows assertative mating or homogamy: people mate with others who are similar to them (in value, like in a market, where an equilibrium is reached). This can be proven genetically for many…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 11:14 AM
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Pushback against leaving the country because women want to keep the bros around for family building in their 30s when they had their fun with Chad? I am not seeing that. Pushback as in "what you are doing is morally wrong". Sure
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 10:48 AM
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Men are not a monolith. Men love to dismiss women's caution towards them as "chronically online," because we're now more privy to their online communities and true opinions on women. You are seeing a non-representative subsample of men. We should take the things they say online as factual. Then take the things i say as factual. You are not approaching this in the right way. You are using a fringe extreme minority as the example to judge all men by. We call that sexism. and large percentage of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 10:31 AM
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Just because it goes against your ideology doesn't make it not true.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 10:24 AM
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dating is only hard when you use dating apps as your only means of trying to find a partner, and you are not competitive with the other men who are on that app. Other than that you just need to have social skills and talk to women of your league in person.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 10:21 AM
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No powerless because they do not have the market value to get what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 10:06 AM
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There is no pushback. Passport bros are very free to leave. Men love it when there is less competition. Women love it when there is less people being hateful towards them for just following their own mating strategies and decisions. There is an excess of young men in the US population. Millions could leave before the sex ratio becomes an issue for women. Really, this is a madeup problem. Everyone is happy for passbort bros to leave and stfu about women
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 10:04 AM
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That is why i told you to address the issues that make you think/experience that the pain is not worth it. You must understand, that how much something hurts or how much you fear it, depends on how well you will be able to cope and how quickly you will be back to normal. The impact of the rejection is different, depending on your setup. Change your setup -> juice suddely worth the squeeze Alright, if you do not want to experience any pain, then explain how your current situation is pain free, wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 08:01 AM
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I don't think the ones posting what OP is reading have actually moved yet. It's a fantasy, but most people are not confident enough to pull through with such a move.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 07:27 AM
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Look at any group that is powerless or feels powerless, and you will see hatred towards the group they make responsible for their situation, and coping narratives told to feel better about themselves. Why would passport bros be different?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 07:26 AM
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Taking risks does make people better at managing risks, sure, but why take a risk when you know the first, second, third, fourth, and fifth attempts are going to be painful failures? Because you will recover from the painful failures, and how impactful they are depends on your setup. If you experience failure in approach as an immense pain that you barely recover from, then improve your emotional resilience, confidence, self-esteem and emotion regulation abilities first. Other than that, remove …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 07:21 AM
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Evolution says: no. Not possible. If women trusted words more than action, that would lead to less evolutionary fitness, as they would get exploited for easy sex without commitment. That could not have become the dominant way how women are picking mates. The more prone a mating relevant trait is to be faked, the less women trust it. That is, btw. why women are attracted to humor and wit. You cannot fake it and it's a proxy signal of a lot of desired personality traits: intelligence, understandin…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 06:43 AM
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Survival mode would also suggest: band together because humans stronger together. *ape sounds* Economic downturn? A couple is more efficient on expenses than a single. Scuffed social skills? how about they stop being on their phones all the time and force themselves to talk with peopel... building their social skills. We all started with low levels of social skills and trained them by doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 06:10 AM
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How to move men away from that behavior? Show that it is not structural oppression and disadvantages, but their own issue that they can only address themselves. Their grandfathers lived in a different environment, different culture, had a different lifestyle. It's a selective perception bias that makes them pick out easy parts of that life but not see the hard ones. Every generation needs to be adapted to their current environment, move out of it, or change it. Current adaptive problems are: don…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 06:05 AM
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No, i wasn't hinting at that. I was asking WHY i is not worth the squeeze for him personally. I was attacking the generality of that statement. The juice is very well worht the squeeze for most men. Apparently, might be biased perception, more men than a couple of years before say this. So maybe something changed: the juice becoming less appealing or the squeeze requiring too much effort. I can not see any of that having changed. Are people becoming less resilient? Are more anxious? I think we h…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 05:33 AM
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depends of course. I can only tell you that i spent about 8-14 hours a day on that for many years during my 20s.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 05:30 AM
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when we say bad boy traits, we don't mean "beats his girlfriend, deals drugs and was in prison"-traits. If you put an "overly" in front of any characteristic, it becomes undesired. Nobody claims that all women want the same characteristics. But there are general trends that make someone more desirable on average than other traits. That doens't mean that you should try to 180° your personality on core traits, but show you the direction in which a change would make you on average more desirable. Y…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 05:28 AM
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If answering the phone would give me sex and relationships, i'd be a free time call center worker.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 09:43 PM
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Orgasm is basically meaningless. I can have that anytime with myself. Validation is very important, but mostly in new sexual partners. In my long term partner, i always feel desired/know i am desired and do not need the validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 09:18 PM
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Some struggle with overvaluing themselves, others with undervaluing themselves....not a monolith
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 09:15 PM
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So you do get dates and have choice. WHat is the problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 09:13 PM
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What does "skeptic of human nature" mean? It's my nature to be skeptic. I am quite sure of understanding human nature. That helps me have reasonable expectations for people and relationships and navigate the mating world with ease. Righteousness in all humans? Do you need counter-examples to be disrpoven or do you want to change that statement to something that actually fits humans? I am attracted to women with a triple digit n count, even had sex with a couple of them, working towards my own tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 07:35 PM
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Being blue pilled does not mean that you make the human race your tribe, tha you care for and give your love to. It has NOTHING to do with that. Blue pill is just with regards to not knowing how human mating works. Being ignorant towards our evolutionary past (which was shaped by caring for others when it helped our own genes), has nothing to do with how altruistic someone is.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 06:57 PM
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It is worth the squeeze for very large majority of men and women. Why not for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 06:18 PM
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You are right, and the studies and survey regarding this topic found, that it's lifestyle changes and mindest changes that explain most of the difference compared to previous years/generations. Less alcohol consumption, less drugs -> more inhibitions, better risk assessment -> fewer sexual encounters time spent gaming, with pornography, and on social media -> stimulation that replaces the real deal living with parents -> no privacy being more risk averse in general -> less approaches, less sexua…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 06:17 PM
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You would need to show that this is rare, rather than common
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 02:58 PM
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Because red pill is not a value, ideology or political views based thing. I am a political centrist, as unideological and evidence based as possible, having a very progressive lifestyle that doesn't match traditional lifestyle goals at all. Yet i am red pilled, exactly for this evidence based rational unideological personality. I am also sexually fulfilled and mentally healthy. No reason to join a group that would help me get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 10:16 AM
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When serious relationships end, the girlfriend almost always goes down hill after. She sleeps around, parties with substances and unavoidably ages/has aged. She lowers her attractiveness for potential relationships compared to when she was still in the relationship. People are not a monolith. Sleeping around, partying with substances and aging is not "life going down hill" for all people. She ages regardless between relationships, regardless of if she sleeps around or not. Whereas a man(speciall…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 10:10 AM
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That seems to be a very personal reaction based on low self valuation and insecurity. Seeing how women throw themselves as famous artists does NOTHING to me, with regards to what i am happy with or require from women regarding to desiring me.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 10:03 AM
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Men can get girlfriends who are wealthier, stronger, taller, more intelligent, more creative, more humorous, etc. Are you ideologically blind on your eyes? My girlfriend is more creative and more humorous than i am. She is also better in social situations, better with art, fashion, style, more extraverted, more conscientious, better health, ,more reproductive value, better moral character. i am punching up in a lot of areas.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 08:56 AM
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Crazy idea: she says no because she never had someone give good oral sex to her, or made her feel relaxed and comfortable enough to let go of self-conscious thoughts that take her out of the moment. Then i reject her based on her past experience, while she would probably have enjoyable oral sex with me. Have you thought about, that not wanting to have sex early is already the incompatibility and there is no point in agreeing to have early sex to check out compatibility, if that is not something …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 08:30 AM
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What is a major fetish to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 08:27 AM
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In my experience, at least 25% of women do not like anal sex or giving blow jobs and they do not do that when being told so. Other than that, i want them to enthusiastically enjoy that, not just do it because i requested it. Your issue is you expect compatibility to be instant and natural. I think your issue is that you view the topic from a perspective of someone young and with not that much experience, not knowing about their own sexuality and preferences, being open and curious to explore. We…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 08:24 AM
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You either didn't have a lot of sex partners yet, or you are very compatible and therefor can go with anything that the other side wants/requires. "anything can be learned"... maybe, maybe not, but that is not the point. The point is if the person WANTS to learn. There is a reason why we do not have 100% rate of people having had anal sex. There is a reason why there is a lifetime rate of about 1/3 for having had threesomes. About 30% of men and women hate giving oral sex. About 30% don't like r…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 06:48 AM
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Put yourself in the hypothetical situation that is all over the media. Imagine it's the first time you are in that situation with him and there is no experience from "this is how we always do it"
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 06:06 PM
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Okay, i am not thinking about first interactions but about some dates in, when she has expectations for how you respond to her/care for her/deal with stuff, that she never communicated but then is pissed when you dont do it like she wants, but rather how you THINK it would be okay. So, first interactions. Paint a picture for me. I think i would let things slide for 1-2 times before i notice a pattern and address it. No mind reading from me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 06:04 PM
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No, i suggest that you open up your standards to be violated but made up for in other areas. of course my dream girl wouldn't have mental health issues. I can put that on a list and filter. Or, i can be open to a girl with mental health issues, especially because we/she can work through that, and i can see if it's REALLY a big dealbreaker and not just a "not ideal" situation. But in order for me do give in on that wishlist item, she needs to make up for that in another area that i value. So, i d…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 06:01 PM
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Communication is most miscommunication as is. Then there is non-verbal communication which has a much higher failure rate, when it comes to understanding what was communicated. Experience has nothing to do with "getting it". Once you get called out for doing a thing wrong enough times, you will change what you do, regardless of if you "get it". If women are the masters of communication, they should know about this and make it clear what they want, if it's important. Especially when dealing with …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 05:54 PM
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So, you tell him you don't want anything to eat, when he calls and asks if you want something because he is pulling up to your favorite takeout place. Then he follows your answer and just brings food for himself. You are then mad because you expected him to still bring you something, even though you clearly said no. Where does the "attentive, observant and generally socially intelligent" come in? Not very socially intelligent to expect someone to guess you want something even though you said no.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 05:03 PM
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That is niceguy thinking. Are you a niceguy? Women are attracted to men who set up boundaries and tell them what they expect of them and what doesn't fly - when it's reasonable. Telling a woman that's in your interest to meet her needs, but she NEEDS to communicate them clearly, as you are not in the business of mind reading and if she expects that, you will again and again come to these situations where she is supe mad, you don't know what is going on, and both of you are having a bad time. It'…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 05:01 PM
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Just saying, i wouldn't have the best gf i ever had and whom i plan to spend my life, who just moved in with me, if i had your list of requirements.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 04:48 PM
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How do some guys get it without telling them? They can guess, but that will not result in being right all the time. They can have the same personality/ideas/values, so whatever they do for themselves, also matches what you would have wanted. That is not "getting it" though.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 04:46 PM
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?! WHAT it's much easier to tell random women i am trying to woo where my boundaries and expectations are. Because i don't give a flying fuck about how she reacts to that. She either becomes reasonable or i don't want to have anything to do with her. With a girlfriend, on the othe hand, i am also invested, emotionally and with everything else. If standing my ground results in the end of the relationship, i am also suffering. Are you suggesting to suck up to random women and get told how you are …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 04:44 PM
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I cannot see this at all. Not in me and not in other guys. I have to be everything that a woman wants in that very moment. No, she already has pretty much everything she wants in that moment, except for nice social interaction with a guy. You have to be just ONE thing she wants in that moment, and she doesn't even have to know that she wants that. She realizes she likes having you in that moment, while you engage with her. I have to make her laugh, I have to make her feel comfortable, I have to …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 04:36 PM
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It's like feminism. There are lots of different people with different ideas that call themselves feminists. You cannot even say that feminists are about equality, becuase what equality means and for whom is also not agreed upon. Red pill is realizing that there is more to human mating than what you will likely believe about mating, when you grow up in western mainstream societies. It's mainly discovering that humans are animals with an evolutionary past that shaped them and that this is still in…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 01:55 PM
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You expect us to have the same idea about how an 8 looks like... based on... what? Even if we could agree on an objective rating of attractiveness in people, is an 8 the 80th percentile of the attractiveness distribution, or the 95th, or what does an 8 correspond to?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 11:02 AM
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having a girlfriend is not "dating". It's being in a relationship, having a committed partner. You know, just like being married for 40 years doesn't mean someone was dating his wife for 40 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 10:57 AM
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the list goes on indefinitely Then you will not be able to find someone who matches all of them. Cut your list down to the essentials, and you will find a woman who matches them rather soon. I just have 2 criteria that need to be fulfilled to keep dating someone, and find out if we are a match for a LTR and commitment: i need to be sexually attracted to her i need to really enjoy spending time with her outside of having sex Things that i am either drawn to or repulsed by will show themselves soo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 10:26 AM
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May i ask what you are here for then? You seem like a MGTOW kind of guy. What keeps you reading about the things you don't want to take part in?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 10:19 AM
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Why would you assume they are right in expecting this from you? Just tell them they need to stop the expectation of men being able to mind read. It took me some time to get that into my gf's head and now she is rolling her eyes when her best friend tells her about her boy-trouble and 100% of it is not telling them what she expects but wanting them to be able to know it by mind reading. Communicating wants and needs clearly is the only way to reliable get them met, or find ways to work with them.…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 10:17 AM
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I was wondering what kind of profile you would regard as feminine. But damn, high neuroticism is especially unattractive in men. is your openness to experience high enough to maybe be responsible for mental health issues? People scoring extremely high in openness often show intensified internal imagery, which correlates with hallucination-proneness and delusional ideation, especially when openness is not accompanied by high conscientiousness or emotional stability. Interaction effects: Openness …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 10:09 AM
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No, the advice would be: change everything about what you do and who you are, 180°
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 10:03 AM
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but I am curious: if you had to name the part that feels hardest for you, what would it be? The part that feels hardest to me is the Venn diagram of: [~20yo attractive woman] x [open for ONS] x [is into men 20 years older then her] x [has no problem with me having a gf] x [not severely traumatized to the point of me either having to be her therapist that she clings to, or be part of her problem] As you can imagine, i have grown to become quite the therapist for BPD women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 10:01 AM
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Wait, you guys are asking the woman to marry you? You are not going to get a nice ring when the woman asks to you to marry her? It's 2025 guys!
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 07:59 PM
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I have an open relationship, so she can go and eat wings and more.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 07:54 PM
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if you have sex earlier than other women but also have a clean reputation, you will likely win. LOL? That is the whole point. You don't have a clean reputation after you got slut shamed. The cartel price varied over time and culture/region. The last one i can remember was "no sex before 3rd date". But there were certainly harsher criteria, like no sex before committed relationship or marriage. It has nothing to do with male obsession about purity. I have read 2 studies that support my claims. Wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 07:16 PM
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To be fair, she has no idea what young men are doing. Men at her age bracket are not looking for women like her. That is the only thing we really can take from the article. And i guess we knew that before. 54 yo single moms are not intersting for ~55yo men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 07:06 PM
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No i am saying the opposite. A man has lots of ways to be attractive to women besides physical attractiveness. If a man is ugly, that doesn't mean he will be restricted to ugly women. He can be rich, have status, be well educated, intelligent, creative, witty, etc. and still be attrative for a woman who is phyiscally way more attractive than he is. Women on the other hand, have it harder to make up for looks with other traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/25 07:05 PM
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How do you know there was nothing that hurt the other person? And a man told you this story that he slut shamed his one night stand for no reason at all? It's not that he slut shamed her in front of an audience of peers, where he wanted to get status with and their mindset was to shame women? He slut shamed her to her face with no other person there?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 06:18 AM
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So what is the situatuation? I will try to explain why the man treated the woman he slept with worse than someone off the street
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 05:51 AM
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i have opened up about things i am insecure about. Being insecure is not the problem. Not seeing how oneself is the issue in the problem is the issue. Trying to restrict or change others, so one does not have to deal with own insecurities, is the problem. You see it as an attack. I just describe what is happening here, because men fight tooth and nail to NOT be labeled insecure. Yes, they are, and it's a large topic in their dating life.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 05:48 AM
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That is why we now have the highest rate of plastic surgery, fillers, etc than ever before?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 05:45 AM
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This subreddit is not created for whining.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 05:44 AM
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So, do you want to go back with the statement and rather say: some immutable traits are strong disadvcantages in dating and likely require lots of qualities to make up for which i am not willing to put the effort in to cultivate, so i'd rather whine on the internet how i have no chance because i am short/ugly?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 08:43 PM
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variations within each sex. Not variations of sex
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 07:42 PM
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?! of course that makes sense. Someone you became vulnerable with shared intimacy, bonded, etc has WAY more potential to do something with you that makes you lash out and treat them badly than some random person off the streat that has no emotional connection to you. We only hurt the ones we are close to and they are the ones who can hurt us
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 07:34 PM
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lol you just linked an article by a 54yo single mom that showed how women have not found replacements and want men back. What is it now?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 07:31 PM
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Why should that change? Do you see women caring LESS about how they look in the last 10 years?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 07:16 PM
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... then just know you are wrong and ignorant and you have made a fool out of yourself and will likely double down on that with your next reply Also, learn how to read an abstract. Jesus, have you not been to a university?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 07:14 PM
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https://www.wellesu.com/10.1037/1089-2680.6.2.166 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1090513818303064 Men didn't start it and they are not the ones doing it the most and not even for the reasons that one would assume. Read the science.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 07:11 PM
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I have not argued that men are non-conformist. The argument is that they are LESS conformist than women. This allows both for a few non-conformist women, as well as for most men being conformist for most of the time, as it's also mostly beneficial for men as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 06:50 PM
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And a woman's worth will always be strongly tied to her appearance
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 06:47 PM
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... unsubstantiated. Wow. Your comment is unsubstantiated and i am firm opponent of all the bullshit Petersan is giving off in recent years. Try again with some argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 06:46 PM
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maybe read a scientific source on slut shaming. you are wrong in all your comments
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 06:44 PM
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Because there is no point in really slut shaming (change social behavior, follow norms) someone on an anonymous internet forum. There is no way to enforce to social repercussions to that woman's life, making her change her behavior. Slut shaming requires that her real life social environment gets to know about her norm breaking behavior. Now, we don't have the norms anymore and we don't have the real life contact to the women in this sub. There is no competition for the same men by the women in …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 06:43 PM
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they do not slutshame. Shaming is done to enforce social rules/norms. Those men do not want those women to not have casual sex anymore. They want to hurt them, because they are not having sex with them. It's like calling someone a virgin. I wouldn't do it becaus i think being a virgin is an issue. I'd do it because i know my target thinks its an issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 06:40 PM
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women use slut shaming on other women to keep them from undercutting each other. There is a commitment price for sex. Slut shaming is like a cartel move, fixing the price: no sex before 3rd date. Rivals who undercut that price to compete for men, will be shamed and socially ruined. We don't see slut shaming anymore, because sex has become anonymous and there is no social network in which the shaming could take place. You can have triple digit n count and nobody in your social environment must kn…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 06:37 PM
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Slut shaming is a female on female tool to enforce a high price of commitment for sex. Men just use it secondarily and for different means, because they know it is /was an effective attack on women. Men do not call women sluts when they discover "slutty" behavior. Men call women sluts when they want to hurt them. Most often done by men who would like to have sex with that women but who get rejected.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 06:34 PM
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I think having sex for the first time would also do wonders.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 06:24 PM
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Probably would have to talk with your parents here. Other than that, argue with the evolutionary basis for the sex differences in averages of conformity please. Or do you concede and agree that you have been wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 06:23 PM
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You make the error to assume that the advice guarantees attraction of someone. The advice is there to guide you into the direction that will improve your chances or raise the mate value ceiling of potential mates who are into you. Going to the gym will benefit everyone. but it's better to live your own life and do what you really want to do, even if it involves the chance of staying alone forever. No, if you want to not be single, it's better to follow general dating advice. If NOT going to the …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 06:16 PM
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Dude, you are too biased for that kind of topic. Also, you mock conformist men in other threads enough, so we know what this is about. Is it evolutionarily beneficial for women to be conformists? Yes. Is it more beneficial for men to be slightly less conformist? Yes. Are we seeing today, in averages between the sexes, what was evolutionarily more beneficial for hte sexes? Yes. Conformity refers to copying the majority behavior in one’s group, even if it contradicts individual judgment or private…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 06:08 PM
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Same reason some women see absence of preferred treatment as oppression
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 05:45 PM
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As far as i know, the whole equity thing is new to feminism. The equity focus arises predominantly in third-wave feminism and intersectional theory, starting in the late 1980s and early 1990s. If you speak about equality, you gotta mean equality. If you mean equity, name it equity.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 05:11 PM
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Yes, and unattractive people also have dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 04:48 PM
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There are just a lot of insecure men who think: i if am not the most desirable guy she can think of to her, it's not worth to be settled for. And because nobody has me as the most desirable guy she can think of, because attractiveness is not subjective but mostly objective, and i am not objectively attractive, all i can ever get is being settled for. And being settled for means less sexual attraction and desire than for other men, which is unbearable and also risking being abandonned for better …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 04:46 PM
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That is a universal truth applying to anyone and anything. Now, why do red pillers frame their ideology like they do, when they could also use a different approach and get women on bord?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 04:04 PM
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omg, i am really shocked how you can not have heard about sexual dimorphism and what hormones do to people's looks when being present in the womb, childhood and being a teenager.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 03:57 PM
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Dude, you are shifting the goal post. Autistic men will always be disadvantaged. Severely so even. But the topic is about being able to get dates and immutable traits. you can get dates as a severa autism affected guy. You just have to improve your other traits. getting rich is not required.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 03:48 PM
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Why would that keep you from getting dates? Become attractive, list good job, have good pictures and do a short and pre-scripted chat with her to set up a date. What would the "high enough level of autism" exactly do to prevent a match on a dating app and the setting up of a date? Get drunk/high with her, have sex, don't do much talking.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 03:14 PM
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Because women do have a chance to match with those desirable profiles. So it's not a wasted liked, as it's for men
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 03:11 PM
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Well, are you talking to 17 year olds? because half of them are virgins. ARe you talking to 25year olds? about 2% of them are virgins, but the ones you would meet out and about are probably not part of those 2%. You can find virgin men studying engineering or computer science. Past university age, you will find them at home.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 03:09 PM
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No that is not what it is about. It's about being attracted to your boyfriend, not thinking they are the most attractive partner you could imagine. "Are even into their boyfriends". Yes they are into their boyfriends, having true desire for them. Now you shift the goal post and they must have ULTIMATE desire for their boyfriends. Nobody has that. We all settle in that regard for the partnrs whe choose, which makes the term meaningless if used like that. No, studies show the MEDIAN is 6. The aver…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 02:50 PM
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Equal is not equity. A random woman being AS CAPABLE as a random man is IDIOTIC. That would require EVERYONE to be exactly the same in capabilities. Not even two men are equal in capabilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 02:42 PM
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No, that is YOU assuming they are not into their boyfriends. Bring some data.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 02:39 PM
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That is not the definition of being a feminist, and also has nothing to do with gender theory.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 02:21 PM
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.. it's not about you but about those people you talked about. Are you really not able to talk about this in abstract ways? I was even overestimating your cognitive abilities when i did an ELI5..
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 02:03 PM
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Because it is not at the cost of sending likes to someone you have a chance of matching with. Assuming you want to get matches to go on dates, and you are in a position where you want to have more matches than you currently have, there is a cost associated with sending out limited likes to people you have no chance to match with.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 02:02 PM
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"Can", so you would still have the group that this does not work for. Also, i don't see how this would scratch the same itch.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 02:01 PM
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Imagine being a fisherwoman. You go fishing every day, using a lure and you catch fish every day. They feed you, they might even be able to afford you a decent living. You keep doing what you do. Then, a schmuck on reddit comes along and tells you: Your lure is actively making it so some kind of fish that you haven't caught before, are not biting. (He knows that, because he is such a fish who avoids these lures.) They are potentially more delicious to eat, and/or would sell better and make your …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 01:57 PM
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<image> Hinge data visualized. Dots are the actual data points, rest is fitted, so what we actually would have at the "bottom 80% of users" mark is not 100% sure. Here, the bottom 80% of men get 30% of the likes, so: the top 20% get 70% = 70/20 for men. And 60/20 for women. This is on hinge, so likes are very limited and it matters who you send it to. On Tinder, sending out likes to people you will not match with anyway doesn't "matter" that much. If you want to use the actual data points for a …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 01:44 PM
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Why would they not care about not getting laid or not to the extent to announce it? Lack of something you want and frustration over not getting it doesn't change between having an active social life and not having it, i would assume. What do you think=?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 01:33 PM
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Exactly, they are wrong. They need this "but those men get settled for and i rather be single than being settled for" to cope with the fact with they do not actually choose to rather be single, but it'S the reality they are confronted with. So they make it more bearable by inventing something that would result in their current state being preferred to being in a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 01:32 PM
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Ah i see, you are not having had a scientific education. I'll leave you with the blessing of being ignorant and happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 01:30 PM
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80/20 is about like distribution on dating apps and it is THE SAME FOR MEN. The top 20% of women also get 80% of the likes from men. That doesn't transfer to real life mating decisions
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 01:21 PM
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...again, just open your eyes and look at real life couples (yes even young ones).
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 01:20 PM
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What are the immutable traits that lead to no dates? I am sure i will be able to find lots of men with these traits who do get dates or are in relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 01:18 PM
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Being rejected due to immutable traits is what we all get and what we all do to others. Why is that something that is up to debate? But that doesn't lead to people being incels. There is no immutable trait that leads to sexlessness, unless some unchangeable issue on the guy's end make him unable to physically or mentally have sex. It's always multi-factorial and most of the other factors are subject to be changeable. I have yet to see a ripped and muscular incel with a good job, own apartment, l…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 01:17 PM
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So? Rejecting evidence and using a coping narrative that is baseless is not an argument in a discussion. If you build your arguments on how you feel about reality, even though hard evidence contradicts you, you are WRONG. Period.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 01:10 PM
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There is no need to give gender theory any place in your life. Just as you probably not deal with astrology. Gender theory is not true. It neglects biological differences. It tries to explain reality while rejecting at least half of the basis for what we see. Barely any women do their absolute best to completely obscure that image of what we currently have in mind regarding feminine behavior, female gender roles, etc. It's a non-issue. Men are not running for the hills. They are just selecting w…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 01:08 PM
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Unique taste doesn't mean that there is taste for EVERYTHING. You will hardly find a woman who is into a bad dating profile, or an unkempt man who sleeps on a mattress on the ground, in my little pony sheets. You can see the unique taste of women, by looking at the 70% of women who are in committed relationships right now: are their partners all fitting the same mold? Nope, they are all unique guys. Tall, short, bald, full head of hair, academic and manual laborer, rich and poor, friendly and ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 12:36 PM
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If you have passion for something, it doesn't matter how attractive you are, a lot of people are going to want to hear your voice. In general, people like ot hear their own voice and are attracted to people who just actively listen, give them the stage, validate them and give them attention. Especially women. Other than that, being interesting is a valid mating strategy. Shoutout to all my introverted people.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 12:33 PM
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"increase your mate value to attract high value mates and be attractive to a larger audience of people" "put yourself out there to increases the frequency of meeting potential mates" "lean into your individual mating strategy instead of following supposedly cookie cutter strategies" "Choose a mating market in which you are competitive and the odds are not stacked against you" "Increase emotional intelligence by training it and it's subcategories like any other skill, because that is universally …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 11:23 AM
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Average values for men and women do not contradict that men and women exist on a spectrum of personalities and trait expressions. Nurturing, non-competitive men do not contradict that there is a difference in averages for men and women regarding these traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 10:46 AM
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I see biology as the basis, so sex exists. Trans is with regards to gender, which is a social construct. Deviating in gender from biological sex might be something that should be "affirmed". I am not sure we currently know enough about it, so that choice of action is mostly ideological than scientific. If i had to bet, i would bet that we will come to the realization, that it's actually not something that should be affirmed, but rather looked at as a case for therapy to get gender in alignment w…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 10:44 AM
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I believe many women fear being perceived as shallow for their preferences, which is not good of course. There is nothing inherently wrong with the preferences I’ve mentioned. But, does your image or perception matter more than the negative societal consequences that arise from your dishonesty? Yes, yes it does matter more. That's why we are "all" doing it, except for the autistic edgelords who don't realize they are shooting themselves in the foot and hurting others in the process. Play along. …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 10:14 AM
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Why label anything at all? Men don't all act "like men"/masculine, and women don't all act like "women"/feminine. Roles do exist but it's free choice how much to follow them. Create your own role. Do whatever and date whomever. I really don't get the problem here. You are not threatened by queerness or transgenderism. Everyone seems to agree most women aren’t exactly content with their lives… Are you basing that on "felt reality" or on actual survey about what women say on their levels of happin…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 10:09 AM
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Women expect you to be able to easily tweak and be fortunate or privileged enough to focus on small task to become better. Not knowing they always move goal post, or that it will give marginal returns, make you seem entitled, and even backfire on you unfortunately not to mention it could justifiably change your boundaries and standards with the women who interest you... In light of your last comment, i try to understand the initial comment: You think women expect men to improve their value, whil…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 09:25 AM
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Men can too, that is the whole point of wealth, status, education, intelligence, creativity, humor, etc. For men, their mate value is tied even less to their attractiveness than in women, allowing them to punch above their attractiveness level for relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 09:07 AM
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That is called a mate dollar approach. Giving a budget to spend on different levels of expressions of traits. Often with different levels of budgets to spend, corresponding to different mate value levels. Just because most of the red pill are stupid grunts with an ideology, doesn't mean that there isn't science on the topic that contradicts blue pill approaches and is very much in line with red pill in general, just more nuanced. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 09:05 AM
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I have a gf with anxiety disorder. I learned long ago that there is no way to get to a place where anxiety cannot attack. Anxiety will always find a way, as long as it's there. Even if those guys had certified knowledge that her prior boyfriends had micro dicks (no offense to anyone here, just going with the generel ideas that the insecure guys here seem to have), he would still find a way to be insecure about his desirability as a sexual partner to her. So, it doesn't matter that i remove a lay…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 08:56 AM
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No, overrating yourself and shooting above your league is evolutionary beneficial and that is why we do exactly that. A study has found us to shoot on average 25% above our own desirability. That doesn't mean that this is successful often, or that it would not on average lead to looksmatched couples, as women do the same. Shooting above your mate value just has an increasingly lower chance of success, the more you deviate from your desirability/mate value, on average. I am just talking about the…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 08:52 AM
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You say "still" as if this is every going to change...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 08:42 AM
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Getting interest is not the point though. It's who you get for what. You don't know who you are filtering out by a certain style of profile. So just take the info from that guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 08:42 AM
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I'd like to think that you are just bad at rating their attractiveness or overall mate value. It's not that important to be looksmatched, if the overall mate value for the respective person is about equal. This mostly goes hand in hand with somewhat equal attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 08:34 PM
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Just imagine women are the same, regarding the 1%
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 08:15 PM
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"men" .. then you just talk about insecure men who have retroactive jealousy. None of those thoughts ever crossed my mind. If i feel desired by a woman does not depend on her sexual past. Barely any woman has a notable past. Median lifetime sex partners is ~5. Go be with one of those women, who only had serious boyfriends before you (which where also better in bed than you, bigger dick, and she often thinks about them when you fuck her... see, your mind can craft any fear you want)
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 08:01 PM
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You don't need to change culture. Women are already attracted to their below average boyfriends. That's why they are with them. There is no other reason. You just need to open your eyes to see that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 05:30 PM
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Then I don't understand your previous comment at all
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 10:36 AM
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Would you marry more than 15% of women and be attracted to them? I think I am in the below 1% range, for how many women are marriage material for me in my dating age bracket.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 10:27 AM
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So you genuinely believe women don't use their perspectives and emotions to literally define reality?? What? We all define our reality with our perception of it. Mating is a tug of war between the sexes. We have different goals and interest. Men are shaped by what women select for procreation and women are shaped by what the evolutionary fit men select for commitment, roughly speaking. Ah, now i think i see what your issue is. You have been left by the women you were in relationships with, becau…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 06:06 PM
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Women expect nothing. Everyone is dating on their level. You are already good enough for the women on your level. Improving is only required when you want higher mate value women, or when you are so low in mate value, that people on that level mostly rather stay single than have a person in their life that subtracts from their overall happiness. Nobody is fucking shifting the goal post. Are you basing your views on social media videos?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 05:18 PM
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"what love is supposed to look like"? You don't understand much about love nor personalities. Even when that is something you think people should expect out of partners, it still is NOT infantilization. Especially not if it is only happening on one personality dimension and actually rooted in different trait expressions and not just assumed. Treating your partner like a child, regardless of if they need your help or not, is infantilization.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 04:53 PM
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For the first one: It shouldn't be the norm to expect someone to constantly calm you down. You're an adult. You can manage your emotions a little better than that Tell that to the unstable and neurotic person, lol. You can choose to leave them alone with their panic/neurotic thoughts, or you can use your stable non-neurotic brain to help them stabilize. It's not about infantilization but about helping someone who is not as strong in a certain department as you are. Infantilization affects all ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 04:21 PM
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Dude, it's simple as that. If you are red pilled, you know that increasing your mate value will increase your mating success (mate level of women, frequency of successful mating attempts, number of women potentially interested in you for sex/relationship). What you describe is doomerism and black pill thinking. Nobody expects to do some pushups and get a harem of women. If this is your metric to decide if it's worth it to self improve, you are black pilled, not red pilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 02:21 PM
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Nothing is stopping me. I have become way more attractive. Nothing is stopping the results. I would list them, but you wouldn't believe me anyway. I am still improving on different fronts every week.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 02:14 PM
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what should you get called out on?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 10:24 AM
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The easier and faster you can get sex, the more superior you are as a man. That is the evolutionary basis of the male dominance hierarchy and directly related to evolutionary fitness, in general. But that also makes you husband material in general, because women do not only want to fuck men who have good genes, but also men who will be able to be good fathers and support their genes/the woman. A hookup carried/s consequences for women. Most women don’t understand this; they think these men won’t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 09:55 AM
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Thanks. I have read the first study you linked and it's just as i said: the problem is violation of social norms. Social norms are able to change and they will when the environment (you cannot keep up social norms against reality) changes. Right now, we are at a point where environment changes but social norms are still not adapted. We have both: lots of male main breadwinners and few female main breadwinners. This is a change from only male breadwinners, which the social norms are still based o…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 08:15 AM
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How is that infantilization? The first is a strong difference in neuroticism, a normal personality dimension. The second is a strong difference in intellect. The third is a strong difference in self-esteem. The fourth is a strong difference in dominance/assertiveness. The fifth is a strong difference in conscientiousness, another of the 5 big personality dimensions. What you listed are just pairings of people who have large gaps in certain personality traits or dimensions. No infantilization hap…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/25 07:43 AM
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... you need evidence for that claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 07:26 PM
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Scientists asked women... They are not happier single.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 07:07 PM
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You can ask Paul Dolan yourself. He admitted the error. Do you have any other source than Dolan?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 07:03 PM
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Not true. But feel free to post sources. If your source contains the name Dolan, please read this first: https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/6/4/18650969/married-women-miserable-fake-paul-dolan-happiness
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 06:55 PM
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Nature wants women to be the breadwinners. sure, that's why men want to fuck women all the time and this leads to being pregnant all the time, which leads to not being able to be breadwinners because being pregnant and taking care of children is SOMEHOW in the way of breadwinning
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 06:54 PM
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In today's dating landscape, many average-looking men struggle to find romantic partners. Totally made up sentence with no meaning. What is "many men"? A felt truth? What do you want us to have in mind for "many". give us a ballpark percentage and what you base that on. What is struggling? Life is a struggle, and dating is part of life. Or how difficult is dating? More than usual living? What does struggling in dating mean? Swiping on apps and not getting a match with a hot woman? In fact, a sig…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 06:51 PM
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Yes they did. To the west of the Hajnal line, about half of all women aged 15 to 50 years of age were married at any given time while the other half were widows or spinsters; to the east of the line, about seventy percent of women in that age bracket were married at any given time while the other thirty percent were widows or nuns. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_European_marriage_pattern
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 06:02 PM
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?! They threaten to re-educate men.. that is equally dangerous to society and way more likely to happen. Jokes aside: single men are paper tigers with regards to "if you don't have sex with us we will opt out of society and you need us". We are just starting to replace all humans with AI/robots/machines. We are perfectly able to pacify hordes of incels with porn, games, entertainment, fastfood, social media and drugs. The good thing about incels is that they do not have the ability to band toget…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 05:40 PM
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You don't get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 05:24 PM
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Middle ages in Europe had lower marriage rates than we have now
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 05:24 PM
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BUT if you’re sitting between 25th and 50th percentile on most of the important metrics, then honestly, in highly competitive markets like Europe or North America, I’d personally advocate for mostly giving up. How rare is it to be 25th percentile or more, in 6 of the important metrics? Only 17.8% of the population meet that criteria. So you would be in the top 20% of men, for being at least 25th percentile in those 6 traits. 82.2% of the population are below 25th percentile in at least one of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 12:50 PM
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again, no problem with your choice to not mate. The only problem i have is when you try to find something that is "wrong" with women or the mating ("modern dating") in general, that leads to you not being able to be with a person you are attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 12:39 PM
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A shitty offer is someone who is way below your market value for relationships. A reasonable offer is someone who is close to your market value for relationships. A catch is someone who is considerably above your market value for relationships and they want you because you have a unique thing about yourself, that the market on average doesn't value highly, but this one person does, making them about equal in mate value compared to you, in their view. What is "shitty" and "reasonable" changes dep…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 12:20 PM
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Sure there is nothing wrong with staying single. But stop complaining that more attractive women don't want you, when you don't even want your equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 12:15 PM
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Hes framing it in terms of winning, and dudes in the top 25% win 75% of every 'coin flip'. WHAT THE FUCK MAN? Dudes in the top 25% win 75% of every coin flip? This makes no sense at all. You probably think women will select you when you pass 5 gates (in this example) and every gate has a chance for you to pass through that is determined by "your percentile in the trait's distribution"? And a dude with 5 traits at 75th percentile would pass each gate with 75% chance, for a total of ~24% chance to…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 12:11 PM
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Nobody said anything about getting top tier women. You get women of your own league.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 12:00 PM
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Why would a woman need to settle for someone she isn't attracted to?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 11:58 AM
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Those guys also have no friends. Are terminally online. Have no social skills and ask questions like "where do you even meet women", and mental health issues on top of that. Those are things that need to be addressed and a relationship will follow. Attractiveness is the least of their issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 11:57 AM
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This study looked for preferred partners, not the ones women actually get into relationships with. An unattractive women can prefer the attractive men all she wants. She is not going to get them for a relationship. These studies are about relative trait importance/priority in a setting with unlimited mate value. You need to look at studies with different mate value budgets in the women. You can see how they spend their budget on different levels of traits. Also, keep in mind, everything is avera…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 11:54 AM
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because there's alot of cruel and sick men out there who divorce their wives for aging. I don't think you can support that with evidence. Unless you define "a lot" as 150 or so.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 11:29 AM
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Money IS groceries. "Getting them" is no providing them. You can set up a fucking delivery service to send you your groceries to your door every week/day.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 10:53 AM
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Were are those studies? Also, just because they haven't fared well in the past, doesn't mean they will in the future. We are at a point in time where dynamics shift and culture adapts to that. Not having children was viewed as weird a couple of decades ago. Not being married, not being religious, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 10:52 AM
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We don't live in tribes in 2025 in the West. Half of the young population is single and takes on ALL the roles: getting the difficulty resource AND the mass resource. We do not have the situation of women being pregnant all the time, having to care for 5-10 children. Most of the tedious tasks required for upkeep are done by machines. The "difficult" resource is sent to you from the governement if you don't want to or can't do the work. The environment changed heavily. I am not even talking about…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 10:50 AM
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What is the evidence for that? I'd really like to read it if you have any sources for that claim. Sperm count is way above what is considered "low" for up to age ~60 on average. Sure, getting pregnant my take some more attempts. And i absolutely see how age is a major correlate for birth defects/pregnancy issues, etc. But not due to age, but due to how people change on average with age. Lifestyle effects take their toll on people.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 09:47 AM
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You need to be in the TOP 25% in 5 categories to get a 23.7% chance. (Assumption: independent variables) No. At least top 25% in 5 categories is 0.0977%​ chance or about 1 in 1024 men. Only ~0.1% of men would be attractive to women, if you needed to be top 25% in 5 categories. You're calculating the probability of independent events occurring simultaneously. This uses the multiplication rule: P(A∩B∩C∩D∩E)=P(A)⋅P(B)⋅P(C)⋅P(D)⋅P(E) And the chance to be in the top 25% of a given trait is P(A/B/C/D/…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 09:40 AM
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I've read the new science on that. Especially the epigenetic changes introduced by lifestyle. Made a mental note, that i would optimize my lifestyle for sperm quality, in case i want to have kids in the next years. In fact, a man’s age and health affect not just conception, but the entire pregnancy outcome. It's mostly health and lifestyle (stress, obesity, smoking, drugs, mental health, etc), though, right? Age plays a minor role, especially for the actually relevant age demographic of men that…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 09:18 AM
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Sex partners is THE evolutionary relevant metric for male success, when you cannot count offspring and their fitness level directly. How do you measure success? And why does shortness affect it?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 08:43 AM
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That's not even remotely true, unless you base your assessment of "bad" on very fringe (moral) values. Societies are based on shared values. Social norms ensure people keep to shared values. Shaming is a tool to enforce this. Laws are ways to enforce this.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 08:39 AM
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Please, show that data. I am pretty sure that doesn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 08:37 AM
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So you need to be bottom 25% on 5-6 key attributes for desirability, to not be picked by women. That seems about right.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 07:23 AM
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Rutgers researchers found that between 2007 and 2017, a ~33% decline in casual sex among men and ~25% among women was explained by less frequent alcohol use—a key disinhibitor for casual encounters
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 07:19 AM
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<image> 5'6 guys (167cm) do have 10 sex partners on average. Just ~3 less than average and tall guys. It's not your height dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 07:14 AM
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Juice not worth the squeeze situtation in my humble opinion. You are not happy with a 25th percentile woman when you area 25th percentile man for a committed relationship? Talk about unrealistic standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 07:10 AM
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How are women picky? All the data we have shows assortative mating/homogamy. Committed relationships happen between equals.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 07:09 AM
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No, rejecting lots of shit offers does not make you picky when you accept a reasonable offer.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 07:07 AM
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You just said: Pretending you’re righteous when you’re following attraction is what is the problem But following attraction has nothing to do with righteousness. Which you just agreed to. ?! or didn't clarify why you see a difference between being righteous and being bad/good in that context
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 06:58 AM
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The studies i have read do not support this. here, take height as a quick indicator that you are wrong: <image> Men at every height level have sex. On average 10-15 sex partners, median being ~5. If you have 0, that is not due to height. Same goes with facial attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 06:41 AM
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Almost every highly promiscuous guy is conventionally good looking 100% sure you cannot back that up with data. It's a coping narrative or biased perception, you fell victim to.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 06:39 AM
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Men being single is also a women's problem. Women also want to be in relationships, and when the pool of possible partners is much smaller, a lot of women are going to not get a committed partner as well. They don't need to be in a relationship to be happy. Yeah, not while they are below 25 or maybe 30. Try being single all your life. Same goes for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/25 06:37 AM
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No, that incorporates the same of your values in the judgment: You are not righteous when you are following attraction. == following attraction is being hte bad young.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 07:23 PM
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What someone goes for does not determine if sharing is happening. You would have to actually GET what you want (sex). Also, strictly speaking, you only share a sex partner while you have a sexual relationship with them or are currently having sex with them and other people. If you marry my ex girlfriend, you don't share her with me. The top 5% of men (and women), regarding sex partner count, have more than double the sex partner counts than the bottom 50% combined. The promiscuous men and women …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 07:11 PM
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They say that it's possible for people to appreciate each other for differing hobbies, but I find it hard to believe them. Why? Because people like the women in this thread from a few months ago exist: All men with nerdy interests in my social environment are in relationships. I have nerdy hobbies and i have had fulfilling relationships with women who do not share the nerdy hobbies. The subreddit ADHD_Partners exists, a subreddit that seems to exist purely for people stuck in relationships with …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 06:44 PM
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How is following attraction being the bad guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 06:30 PM
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How can you convinced of something you did not even read up on? I just gave you a hint where to look at. What exactly do you know about the differences of brain reward center reacting to having a new sexual partner when it comes to men and women? NOTHING. And with this non-existing knowledge you come to the conclusion, that it's not convicing?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 06:30 PM
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No, i am talking about the brain reward system of men. Biology. Evolution. Go read about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 05:55 PM
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See, i knew you have no idea about what casual sex is for men. Not here to spend my time teaching women about casual sex. That is too much mental load put on me, when you could also just educate yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 05:44 PM
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Gourmet meals do not come to your door for commitment, unless you are a gourmet meal yourself. I don't think you understand the male mating role. Men don't do something to get attention. That is the female role. Men just go up to the women who did something to get their attention and chat with her, express their interest and see if it's mutual. that is not struggling. that is being in the driver's seat of your mating efforts. Instead of being in the role of having to HOPE that the guy you want a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 05:17 PM
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Men love it way more than women. How was that not clear?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 05:12 PM
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This subreddit or what people see on tiktok is not representative of the population. It says nothing about if "men" struggle or to what degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 05:11 PM
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No, i am a man, in a relationship with a woman. Anytime i "struggled" with getting what i wanted from/with women, it was 100% my own fault for not approaching/talking to them, for not being more forward with my advances, for viewing myself in a bad light, for being fat or uninteresting, for sitting alone at home and gaming 24/7, for not crafting a life for me, even just temporarily, where i meet new single women regularly, etc. Those are basic things to change. Come on, man, do you really think …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 01:14 PM
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Women can be attracted to men for other things than their looks. That is often enough to fall in love
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 01:05 PM
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I don't think OP or any other men are salty because the women simply aren't attracted to them. It's more of a "different rules for different guys" and the fact that attraction feels conditional that most guys have a problem with. Different rules for different guys IS about attraction. A man a woman is attracted to is welcome to behave differently with her than a guy she is not attracted to. The guy doesn't meet the conditions for being attractive to the woman. This is what he is salty about.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 01:01 PM
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You are mixing up viewpoints of very different people here. There are both men and women who don't like casual sex and prefer their partners to also not engage in it. Others view it as insecure and old fashioned, which can be, and often is going hand in hand with that preference. It's mostly based in sociosexual orientation, though. Then there is the behavior that is not your own, but that of others. You can be sociosexually restricted, but still be open about other people doing what they want i…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 12:59 PM
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men have a very hard time even getting a first date What do you base that on? What is a "very hard time"? How does that look like?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 12:44 PM
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I hate to be blunt with this but it’s true Wow, can you please find a post here where this hasn't been said in either the OP or the comments? Stating it doesn't make it true though. You would need to have logical arguments or data to get into the direction of truth. versus a man who is likely to die alone Men are not likely to die alone. They are MORE likely to die alone, but it's not due to finding a mate being such a great struggle. because I’m sick of the narrative that it’s equal You being s…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 12:43 PM
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Nice story, but how does it prove he was not socially awkward or a loser? It very much sounds like it. Getting compliments for his looks hardly makes him not a loser.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 11:49 AM
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She is right though. All the data we have points to attractiveness being a poor indicator of sex partner count. It's mostly (90%+) other factors, that explain the variance in sex partner count. You are the one who is clinging to an ideological viewpoint with no data to back it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 11:47 AM
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That is a myth. Everyone has sex. Attractiveness /height only weakly correlate with number of sex partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 11:45 AM
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women love it as much as anyone I don't think you understand what having a new sexual partner does for men on average. it's MUCH more than just the act of having sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 11:43 AM
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Dating apps or a small part of the dating world. How many likes someone gets is a poor indicator of if they will be single in the future. Let's deal with the actual data we have on singles, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 11:28 AM
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No, it does count. But it is a single data point. How about we add it to the pool of other data we have to get a better picture? How about we use data from last year and the years before the Pew study of 2023? Again, please, show me ANY data source that shows similar levels to the pew study of 2023. I would be so happy if you could. I have searched the internet up and down for years. Haven't found anything. If you have got it, PLEASE show it to us. Nobody in this sub EVER was able to produce ano…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 09:36 PM
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Again, how about you bring some fucking data into this debate? Crawl back to your echochamber, where you get confirmation for your ideas...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 08:40 PM
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So now it's irrelevant. The comment before you used the "male loneliness epidemic" for your argument. when more people than ever are clearly incapable of getting the outcomes that they want - how exactly is that easy? Show me how you know what people want. When i tell you that 6/10 singles do not look for dates, you hallucinate the reason: they gave up. Instead of maybe accepting they get what they want: not a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 08:39 PM
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the data we have indicates the opposite of what OP is claiming. more singles than ever, people having less sex, feeling more isolated and lonely, marriage rates going down, more people complaining about dating than even just a few decades ago and so on. That does not support "struggling".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 08:37 PM
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That's why we don't use singular surveys of small samples, but trendlines over years. Or why don't you take the data from 2024, where women are more single than men? Doesn#t fit your ideology?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 08:36 PM
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I made it myself from publicly available data from the general social survey of the US. but most of the data we have show that a much larger percentage of men under 30 are single Name ONE such source that is not pew research. but it's a much more significant phenomenon than what you represent here as far as the size of the age gap and what it produces. Elaborate and/or show the source for this claim
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 08:33 PM
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Sure, the dating experience changed. But the outcomes didn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 09:29 AM
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Please, help me and post them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 09:18 AM
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Online, not online dating apps, is the number 1 place for couples to meet. Yes, but dating apps are not the place to meet for everyone. It's the place to meet for competitive profiles. I found my gf on Bumble. I found dozens of sex partners on dating apps. That doesn't mean that every guy should focus on dating apps to find the same. If someone hasn't gotten dates from apps in months: stop using them. Only ever use apps in addition to real life dating efforts.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 09:17 AM
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It's mostly men who complain about feeling lonely? I have not seen data on who complains most about loneliness, but women do complain more in general. Women complain more frequently and more explicitly, especially in medical and consumer contexts. Men complain less often and less openly, but may experience similar dissatisfaction levels. but I would be willing to bet that the majority of people who are genuinely very lonely are men. I just posted the data. Men and women are lonely to the same de…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 08:36 AM
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You can only FEEL lonely. There is no way to measure it any other way, than to ask people how they feel and how often and to what degree. There might be all kinds of things affecting surveys on loneliness. Several western states have made loneliness a major issue. Appointed ministers for loneliness. Put in lots of money and hours into finding out about loneliness and how to address it. If you find ANYTHING that points to men being more lonely overall than women, please, feel free to post it. Unt…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 08:49 PM
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i believe the studies. What do you believe?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 08:46 PM
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Based on what? as far as i know: studies say that dating apps have not changed how much attractiveness influences sex partner count. Women have not become pickier in who they date. If you have data on that, please show it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 07:53 PM
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because of the fucking age gap preference. You need to shift the age bracket by 3 years if you want to compare relationship rates in any meaningful way. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 07:46 PM
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There is attraction between ugly people. Love makes that happen. you know, evolution does work for ugly people too. We need to be attracted to each other, so we stay together and raise kids. You are wrong about your fears that no woman will ever find you attractive. There are countless examples of men as ugly as you, who are in relationships with women who love them and find them attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 07:45 PM
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I support the idea, that when the overwhelming majority of men do find partners in a reasonable timeframe, when they want to be in a committed relationship, that it cannot be unreasonably hard. Mating is competitive by nature. If it wasn't, we would all end up with terrible partners. We expect others to put in effor to be attractive for us, and we have to do the same. Everyone selects their own difficulty level in mating, by how far below or above the preferred mate should be in mate value. It's…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 07:37 PM
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Now you are moving the goal post. I don't know and it doesn't matter if or how much attraction there is for a partner. The goal was to have a partner. If you want to be desired like Chad, or imagine, that Chad is more desired than you, you are sabotaging your own life. Attractiveness has very little impact on relationship satisfaction. Read the studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 07:01 PM
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Well, you are 15 years older now. Of course you don't date the same women now.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 06:57 PM
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That is your problem. You use dating apps. Stop using them, stop using reddit and instagram/tiktok and start your offline life.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 06:55 PM
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Where is the evidence that it's not easy? When you look at sex frequency and relationship statistics for men (Aged 21-32) and women (aged 18-29), you see the same rate of singleness and the same sex frequency in a year. 3 year age gap is the preferred pairing in that demographic.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 06:52 PM
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being ugly does not prevent people from finding partners. Ugly partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 06:49 PM
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`The date we have also doesn't support the claim that men are struggling
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 06:47 PM
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Where are the studies that show that it's hard for men to find a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 06:47 PM
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All those men are not putting in any effort besides swiping on apps. I have yet to see evidence to the contrary.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 06:46 PM
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That is the argument: if putting in zero effort doesn't lead to having a girlfriend, that means dating is hard for men. duh.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 06:44 PM
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<image> There is no MALE loneliness epidemic. It affects men and women to the same degree
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 06:43 PM
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If you account for the preferred ~3 year age gap in young people's relationships, you see men and women, as is expected, to be in committed relationships to the same degree and pretty stable over the last 12 years. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 06:40 PM
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Even if there was, how is that evidence for dating being hard? Why is it so hard to imagine that lifestyle changes lead people to just not WANT to be in committed relationships to the same degree it was 20 years ago?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 06:39 PM
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Are you willfully ignorant that there are men and women in male/female dominated spaces, jobs and hobbies, that have very little shared interests with the other sex and mostly find thee other sex boring/not interesting, becaues of that lack of shared interests?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 04:33 PM
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No there is an average difference in interests between men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 04:22 PM
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Let's call it cause and effect. Let's leave morals about "good" and "bad" out of the picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 12:53 PM
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It came from a time where the situation was, that men make way more than women. Now, things change, and so does the requirement for men to make way more than women. Women mostly earn money when in relationships. Increasing amounts of young women earn more than their relatiosnhip partner. Change happens along with a change of the situation of men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 11:31 AM
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It's not a norm, it's an ideal, based on the situation we had in the past. When men on average make way more than women, than, on average, you will find pairings of men and women, where the men makes more. It's what results of the situation, automatically. This carries over to what people think is normal, and going against that, is unusual and not sought after. When everyone has a man that makes more, why would you want to go for one who makes less than you? Now, with a slowly changing environme…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 10:41 AM
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Difference of interests, due to biology and culture. Just look at how sex segregated lots of hobbies and jobs are.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 10:31 AM
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But they still want to be with a man who earns more, has better social status , stronger and more powerful than her. How is that connected to having the same rights? Don't you/or men by extension, want to be with a woman who is more beautiful than you are? Who has higher sexual market value than you? Nothing wrong in wanting those things. Ironically the feminist women who are more likely to believe in equality are also the greatest defender of dating roles in dating. Please, we need evidence for…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 10:28 AM
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The answer is that they have a huge ego and a lot of it is due to fear. You think that female birds also do not approach the male birds because of their huge ego and fear? We have this pattern in basically all sexually reproducing species where females have large, immobile gametes and males have tiny mobile gametes. This biological fact leads to male competition over females, female choosiness, male non-choosiness and the general trend of men approaching women way more than in reverse. Culture f…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 09:19 AM
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How is "by the age of 35" the marriage rate for the population? It's the marriage rate of the 35yo+ demographic. Sorry, i meant lonely, not alone. If you are not lonely, despite women invading your male spaces etc, what is the problem? If you can do it, others can as well. Male friendships are not restricted or limited in any way by women. You can do whatever you want with your male peers.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 08:24 AM
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How many women find porn, as an overall concept, digsutsing? 50%? Just read a study yesterday that found 1/3 of women watch porn regularly, 1/3 watch it sometimes, and 1/3 never watch porn. Women contrast men, and that's annoying. It is that simple. If we admit this, then it's a reasonable ask for women to tone down their hyper-sensitivity to men's annoyance with female sexuality as well. To have some tolerance and acknowledgment for that. Women are already tolerating male sexuality to a very hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 08:18 AM
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Well, you are factually wrong that attractiveness is an important factor in how many sex partners you have. The black pill is factually wrong. Yet "you" keep posting that nonsense. Of course we are getting hostile, when lies are repeated to cope and rid yourself of accountability for your situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 07:54 AM
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The majority of people are in committed relationships. The majority of the rest are currently not looking for dates/a relationship. Of the people who are looking for dates, a tiny minority is not getting dates. And of those, a minority is bitter. And of those, you likely only meet a minority in real life, as the rest is lonely at home. I haven't met a single bitter about dating person in the last year in real life. At least not one that made it known to me, or made me feel like they are bitter a…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 07:49 AM
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What you forget is that we do looksmaxxing on top of all the other things we need to maxx. And we are not even getting the attention for it like women do. I would spend all my time in the gym and counting calories, clean eating, doing yoga and putting on serums and stuff on my skin, if i would get the same sexual desire from women for it, like women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 06:11 AM
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why do you have to close the club when a yt channel is attacked? Seems like you were forced to close for legal reasons, and not for women wanting to participate.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 05:59 AM
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What kind of a bad patriarch are you, that you let women invade your space and let them bitch you out of spending time with your male friends? Grow a pair of balls dude. It's ridiculous. Nobody is keeping you from meeting friends, except you.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 05:56 AM
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Boy scouts opened for girls while girl scouts were against that change. Boy scouts were dieing in membership numbers and needed to open for girls to survive. They are still dieing. It's a different time. Also, none of the men here are boy scout age.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 05:55 AM
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We are not discussing non-western mating dynamics here, usually. Since you are not even revealing what country/culture you are on about, and chatgpt says there are no countries with 92%+ marriage rate, i just have a basic answer for you: you are alone because you CHOOSE to spend your time alone or with non-fulfilling social contacts. You don't need to hold hands to not feel lonely. You don't need male only spaces to not feel lonely. You don't need to have single friends to not feel lonely. You j…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/25 05:53 AM
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1/20 or 5% means nothing, when you don't have the information of who was approached, where, when, etc. Completely random cold approach in a random inner city at daytime during the week? Drunk women in a club setting who are alone at 3am in the morning? Middle aged women in a wine bar on Sunday evening, 4 glasses in?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 07:48 PM
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Ah, someone who did not even read the wiki article chimes in to tell me what "science" is. Great. Sit down girl and take a class of statistics. It's called five FACTOR model for a reason. Learn something about principal component analysis, and while you do that, look at the SPECTRUM results of the big 5. It's not 5 types, it's an "infinite" amount of different personalities, depending on your exact placement on the 5 dimensions/subscales.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 05:59 PM
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i don't know about your life, but flirting is a constant dance around interpreting signals, breaking boundaries and risking something. Everyone knows and understands, that in this business, errors are bound to happen, and unless the transgression is WAY over the bounds, people are VERY much giving people the benefit of the doubt. It's always assumed that someones wanted to play along and go with the flow and what was assumed to be the new personal social boundary between the people involved. Sig…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 05:57 PM
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You can have the party without actually marrying, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 01:15 PM
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Clearly, OP is not a good woman. That's why she needs to morally manipulate others into believing that they are only good people if they support her life and the life of her family financially.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 12:09 PM
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A good woman helps me support my parents financially. Somehow there are no good women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 12:07 PM
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Haven't you seen the insane virginity metrics we have there years ? There are no insane virginity metrics these years. Post them if you have them. Please, not 2018 data. Use something more recent. You think people are fucking like they always have yet our current biggest crisis continues to be astronomically low birth rates ? No, people are having less sex for sure. Changes in lifestyle are probably the reasons. Take more drugs, have more sex. It's your choice. But relationships are pretty stabl…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 10:57 AM
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Humans also evolved to shove as much hyper-palatable food as possible into their mouths, as food used to be scarce. That doesn't mean they won't be miserable eventually if they do. They have to deal with the consequences on a daily basis Yeah, we are not adapted to a world with unlimited cheap, calorie dense food at our fingertips. We didn't see that kind of environmental change in mating though. If anything, you are ruining how you see having a relationship, by consuming porn and social media. …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 10:52 AM
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I'd love to have a woman provide for me. There is not a single bone in my body that wants to work to sustain my life.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 10:45 AM
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Nobody has an issue if you are happy being single. We have issues when you make false assumptions about women and their standards, or any other false claim. Be single all you want. More women for the rest of us. Thank you for not taking part in mating.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 10:37 AM
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It also means OP doesn't think they can give non-verbal consent. Which means they never had any form of sexual interaction at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 10:16 AM
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We just agree that communication is messy and errors happen, for which no fault is attributed. A misunderstanding is a legal term that doesn't lead to being guilty. Misunderstanding = incorrect belief about a fact. Negates mens rea (intent). No intent → no guilt. The legal system distinguishes between innocent errors and criminal acts.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 10:15 AM
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Men must always ask for consent at every moment. Why do you gender that? Do women not have to ask for consent att every moment? I was never asked by a woman for consent for anything sexual. They assume non-verbal consent and they are right. I give non-verbal consent and women give non-verbal consent to me. In most cases, i don't need verbal consent. My assumptions about their consent proves to be right.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 10:11 AM
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but the idea that fat ugly 45yo men were commonly marrying beautiful 15 yo virgins who had little to no say in the matter is just completely false and not based on the reality of Europe at any point in history and mostly a fantasy of American red pill dudes based on what they hear of in India, Arab countries and other more traditional societies that they then try to impose on their own white American culture. Can you cite some red pill sources who think that "fat ugly 45yo men were commonly marr…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 09:43 AM
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i think you would also be divorced if your husband had access to your reddit account and what you post here.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 09:18 AM
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<image> within gender variance is greater than between gender variance
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 09:13 AM
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My thoughts are, that people are unable to put themselves into the position of the other sex. Also, mating is not about findout out who has it harder. Nobody fucking cares if you have it harder as being part of the male sex, or if you have it harder because of your autism, your race, your socioeconomic status, or anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 08:09 AM
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Then why did you marry? You named "just a good laugh" and "interesting life experience". Was that really your motivation?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 08:03 AM
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Even if they are, it’s settling. I don’t believe they are truly happy. You realize this is just a coping mechanism in you, so you don't need to face the possibilitty, that you are the problem and that other men, similar to you in the traits that you think are relevant, are happy in a relationship with a woman? Bring some facts about those men settling, if you want to argue with that. Assuming they are not truly happy is not enough. I’m not claiming some moral high ground but it’s painfully obvio…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 07:57 AM
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So, what do you want from a marriage, that you didn't get from the relationship you had before marrying that person?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 07:50 AM
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Yes i will have a problem with such a woman as a potential partner. Not interested in her. I need a sociosexually unrestricted woman as a partner. Someone who waits for more than 2 dates to have sex with me is not compatible with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 07:49 AM
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Young people who are mature for their age will get to hear that from everyone. Does that mean that everyone is a groomer? Young people are not a monolith. Some are mature, some are not mature. Don't give one size fits all advice, when people are not all the same size. Also, i have no problem with teenagers being overly cautious. What i do have a problem with is mature adults in their 30s, still using that broad brush in their understanding of the world "if there is an age gap and she is <21, he …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 07:35 AM
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None of those men actually do have sex with young women. The men who do, don't need to argue with fertility.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 07:25 AM
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I love a good chatgpt output, but you failed to put in something we can debate. This is just a summary of studies. Great information though. Should i change my mind about children in the future, i will take care of my epigenome first.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 07:24 AM
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Explain how men just like you are having sex and relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 07:11 AM
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You didn't have that prior to marriage in your relationship? Why marry if you already got everything you want from a marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 07:10 AM
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No need to marry. You can have that without marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 07:09 AM
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Then why did you marry? You get all of that while being in a relationship, unmarried
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 07:09 AM
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A safety net for my relationship, that keeps us from breaking up in a heated moment or temporary down phase. Something that binds us just a little bit more than the painful hurdle of breaking up and moving out. Something that makes us have just a little more grounds to plan our far future together, start projects that would be too risky without any form of "binding contract". A little bit of social status. I don't want loyalty.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 07:08 AM
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That just sounds like far left people. It's "the system" that oppresses, keeps them down, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 06:47 AM
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I could be wrong here. But for Redpillers. the crux of your ideology is that if you weren't "Born into it" in the sense of having the looks, body, status, whatever; You'll never get a relationship That is black pill. Red pill is about understanding mating dynamics to be able to increase one's mate value if wanted, and attract higher value mates, or more mates, or mates for casual sex, or keeping mates attracted. Red pill is very much about how to get the looks, get the body, get the status, get …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 06:46 AM
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INTJ here, being edgy and feeling superior. Fi is just tertiary in me. My core processes are: Internal perception of abstract patterns, long-term outcomes, systems thinking, and external organization, logic, efficiency, measurable results. That's why it's so painful for me to discuss mating dynamics with Si-dominant types, because they trust their past experiences and internalized standards, instead of trusting the damn science. Other than that, the association between Fi/Fe and gender is partia…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 06:37 AM
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There are 5 factors. That's why it's called the five factor model. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Five_personality_traits You are unhelpful. Step back and let us discuss the science of personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 06:20 AM
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I am happy. Understanding the world makes me happy and fulfilled. It's part of my personality and it's deeply fulfilling. It seems like everyone is just miserable. Of course, especially the crowd that lurks here. Trying to find ways to navigate the world and bring meaning to things they dont understand and/or cant control. I am not looking for meaning. There is no meaning. We create our meaning. I look to understand things i don't understand yet. build better models of reality. I don't need to c…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 08:18 PM
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The red pill is not about relationship roles or gender roles at all. I am in a non-traditional committed open relationship. Red pill is for knowledge about human mating and understanding inter and intrasexual relationships and dynamics, not to tell me what role i and my partner should fill in a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 08:05 PM
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it's part of the sociosexuality spectrum. How often one thinks about sex or having sex with a person you see, determines how sociosexually restricted/unrestricted you are. Look up sociosexuality and read the questions, to get an idea of what other people are like on the ends of the spectrum. I am 97th percentile unrestricted. I think about fucking all the time. The sociosexuality inventory (SOI-R) has 3 subscales, one of which is "desire" which measures this thinking about sex and wanting to fuc…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/25 12:01 PM
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more attractive than the average woman. more open to experience than the average woman more intelligent than the average woman Rest can be average
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 07:31 AM
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In fact, if my point is correct, then there would be a generalized definition of what cheating is HOW? Nobody talks about waht is cheating with the other, so where should the definition come from?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 07:16 AM
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prove it
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 07:10 AM
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There really is nothing stopping fuckboys from waiting for you while you "delaying sex" Yes there is: time and resource investment. Emotional entanglement. Conversations that the fuckboy doesn't want to have with that woman. Time spent doing shit he doesn't want to do. It's not just "waiting". There is no need at all to wait for women who delay sex, when there is ample supply of women who WANT to fuck on the first date.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/25 07:09 AM
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Meaning for hookups, an attractive and confident man, typically popular and near the upper levels of a male dominance hierarchy is selected for hookups - but he's obviously not necessarily some hyper masculine brute. Because women don't find that attractive. But he is confident and popular. The Beta Blokes part is that they aren't necessarily needed to be a sole breadwinner because women work nowadays so obv they don't need a breadwinner. But women still do like a stable, normal guy for marriage…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/25 08:30 AM
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it is not that irrational to think that after a period of time, in this case 3 months, you could assume that you are a thing It is irrational to think that everyone would see it this way. People are different. Most people nowadays enter relationships like a contract, and then they try to find any loop hole in them to get what they want from them, no matter if it hurts the other person involved. The "loop hole"-people would be the ones who think like you. The contract people, like me, explain wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 07:22 PM
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Seems like a woman who wants to believe she is high value but has a problem with bringing that together with being ghosted after sex, and now needs to find explanations that keep her high value story intact. I have never ghosted a woman who was high value to me. Why would i not answer when she writes and wants an answer from me? Part of being high value for me is, that i have the understanding that i can tell her anything without she making drama out of it. "can we meet against next week? I real…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 03:59 PM
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you can’t convince them to genuinely be happy in those relationships In which case it's a waste of time and the relationship will be awful. Well, that is probably the argument though. Be happy with less! Why should that not be achievable? WE can observe people doing that in all areas of life. These women who wouldn't be with a guy beforehand but have now lowered their standards and are giving a guy a shot, will resent that guy. No. They would not have lowered their standards, when they still mea…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 03:24 PM
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Nobody speaks about individuals when they say men have higher libido than women. Your thinking is the problem in most discussions we have here.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 10:23 AM
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Moving the goalposts. No, you moved. i restricted the search to this subreddit. You had to go to tiktok to find something about small dicks from women. Now you need to resort to a fringe movement in South Korea, to show how women do this in real life. There's a whole world beyond this sub. Most hilariously you consider this sub to be more real than TikTok... unbelievable. I am living in it. I do not get/hear small dick energy comments by women. Not once in my life. It's men who make small dick j…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 09:45 AM
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Real life is a lot of places, dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 09:28 AM
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What part of my comment is that related to?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/25 09:25 AM
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B-b...but how can it be a negative experience when everyone wants to fuck you and never talk to you again? That is literally heaven!
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 12:21 PM
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You have the choice of not competing in an arena where you are not competitive enough in, to have a good time. Go date women from real life. Also, you could have just told her that men face the same filtering problem, just with way more intrasexual competition for a way smaller opposite sex group.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 12:17 PM
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No doubt you can find ANYTHING when putting it into a tiktok search engine. That does not speak to real life application, nor frequency. Don't you think it's telling, that you don't have women talking about penis sizes in THIS sub, unless asked by men?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 11:07 AM
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All of that expiration date talk assumes that for men, no partner is better than an aged parter, and/or, that men can just get a better partner. People pick partners at their mate value, and unless their mate value drastically changes into opposite directions, they will still only be able to get new partners of the same mate value they are currently at. Mate value has to do with supply and demand. Is it really just impossible at that point, or that if I had a man and I aged into a 40 year old, h…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 09:22 AM
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Where? i searched small dick energy and it's just comments of men like you who say that women say that. https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/search/?q=%22small+dick+energy%22&type=comments&cId=e61fc085-6604-4d95-80ad-08441bbf8656&iId=95daa612-9bfc-46b5-8bf9-73ac6a085e22
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 08:33 AM
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Heterosexual men don't give a shit about another dude's meat. Humans compare themselves to others. Men compare their penis to other men. Men have the idea in their head, that penis size directly affects how manly they are and how desired by women and how good at sex they can be. This is about the sexual attractiveness of other men, which heterosexual men don't give a shit about. They care about that alot, when it is about comparing themselves. It's about male dominance hierarchy positions and th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 08:28 AM
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shouldn’t the one I like be more into me, not less? Statistics are about populations not about individuals. The average value for the population of women of being into you increases, when other, attractive women show that they are into you, and the population of women can observe that. It does not say anything aboutj a specific woman's interest in you. She might even be less interested in you, because she is insecure and cannot deal with competition for the man she is interested in, and rather l…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 08:14 AM
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What makes you think that wanting to be something hand knowing what is necessary to get there, also allows you to actualy get there? Red pill is knowledge, not sexual success.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 07:46 AM
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Here we go again. Virgins obsessed with dick size and not being good enough...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 07:41 AM
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Yes, it does. You can insert anything there. "mean you manipulate ______ and exploit _____ to satisy your own urges/interests"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 07:13 AM
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How much money would someone have to make more on average, to balance out a 10 year age gap at age 20? That is the question that comes to my mind. So can we get an equal power age gap relationship? What about a broke 30yo, with a 20yo woman who makes 40k a year?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 12:03 PM
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Do you think that your way of not trying is attracting any women? Have you put your ideology to the test?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 11:01 AM
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Because it attracts people like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 10:52 AM
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Does sex affect intimacy? Sure, sex is intimacy. Casual sex is neither good or bad per se, and people are different regarding sociosexuality (important for casual sex). Some people are negatively affected, others positively. For my long term relationship, having casual sex on the side is overall beneficial and allows me to commit without experiencing a huge loss in sexual opportunities in the first place. For other people, casual sex does nothing or is negative and not important to be able to ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 08:11 AM
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Not the truth our own personal truth based on our own lived experiences making this subreddit more of a digital therapy session, except you want your beliefs semi challenged only for you to go back to believing them again. So it's mainly you, who is the ideologue who is not willing to change their beliefs, because you already have your own truth that isn't based or challenged by evidence or arguments, it's fixed from your biased perception and ideas about reality. The worst kind of basis for a w…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 07:55 AM
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you, again, like in every thread, are either incapable of cognitively understanding the arguments, or you are willfully a fucking troll. No man is an option yes. That has nothing to do wit ha reasonable standard. Engage with my argument or stop answering.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 07:25 AM
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So that leads to what conclusion and advice for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 07:18 AM
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I am a machiavellian man, as you can read in my flair. Bro might have to do a google search, bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 07:11 AM
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Chad and Stacy are not defined as most attractive man/woman alive. Chad and Stacy are a stereotype mostly, but more than that, a range of very high desirability. Cut off point being unclear. while women see men in same level bare-minimum. You need to see this as a matching by rank order/percentile of desirability, not by what you think is same level attractiveness. This gets rid of the issue of men being less physically attractive as women. Desirability is more than attractiveness, and it doesn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 12:47 PM
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Because men are not a monolith, and most men already manipulate women to some degree to get sex. I manipulate young women into having sex with me. Especially the mentally unstable, naive ones, the ones who are deeply insecure about their bodies, their identity, their value to men/society. Why haven’t the incels caught on and start doing it? Because they are too insecure to talk to women, yet alone try to manipulate them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 12:44 PM
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You don't need to argue about "women are not obliged to pick any man". I agree with that and it's not the topic i argue with you about. Picking no man cannot be "reasonable standard", because it has nothing to do with an expected outcome. It's a choice that can be done regardless of how others interact with you. "picking no one" is the euphemism for "my standards are too high for anyone to who meets them to want me back". If someone cannot attract the people they want, that is not a reasonable s…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 12:41 PM
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That is you giving up, so you don't have to try.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 12:37 PM
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Dude, the whole point is that the sexual selectors are easily manipulated because there is a power imbalance.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 11:34 AM
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You might be successful in anything and if you can show women you actually enjoy what you do they start to find you attractive. Try that with playing WoW and being the guild leader/raid leader of one of the top guilds of your realm or continent. Women want Chad, sure, but Chad is 1% of the population. The other 99% of women are going to take non-Chad. What women want ideally is far from what they can get. And they are still happy with what they can get. You don't need to be anything special. But…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 11:33 AM
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But you can be out of college and looking for a girlfriend, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 11:30 AM
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There is no such thing as “mate level” It’s literally determined by who is picking you So there is a mate level, determined by who and who isn't picking you. Who’s keeping track of everyone’s value? I hope you are keeping track of who does or doesn't interact with. If not, you will stumble around clumsily in the mating world and are highly inefficient, gettting way more rejcetions than needed, possibly being so lost and confused, that you give up. Women are not being “unreasonable” because they’…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 11:28 AM
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What is a successful man? Aren't goals subjective?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 11:23 AM
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What does that have to do with anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 11:22 AM
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And what is a really good life? According to the man, or according to the woman? Do women agree on what is a good life?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 11:10 AM
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unreasonable unreasonable (comparative more unreasonable, superlative most unreasonable) Without the ability to reason; unreasoning. Not reasonable; going beyond what could be expected or asked for. Expectations are mental predictions or assumptions about what will happen in the future, and they’re based on multiple layers of prior experience, statistical regularities, social norms, and explicit information. So, no, you are very wrong to say that there are no unreasonable standards. You're not "…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 10:56 AM
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No, the thing you are left with, if your assessment is correct, which it very likely isn't, is that you can increase your mate value. Why are you even angry at women, when you understand your mate value is lower than theirs? Be angry at yourself, that you can't get your ass up and increase your value
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 08:52 AM
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Based on what?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 08:50 AM
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they don't think that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 11:58 AM
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Sure, there were the few girls who needed male attention and validation to a very strong degree. They tried to please me by moaning excessively and by telling me how large my penis is while fucking them. Which is bordering on being unpleasant. I can take a little bit of compliments when it's believable, but when i get the impression she thinks she needs to bolster my ego for a good performance, a hot body/a large penis, etc. i am turned off. Especially because i make it clear that they don't nee…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 11:47 AM
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Could you explain me why? Conservative values, traditional gender roles, and also: men who think they need to make up in lacking mate value from other areas, by providing financially. Valid mating strategy. That's like making up for being stupid by being attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 10:38 AM
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"Care about dick size/size queens" are undefined. What does that mean? Do size queens REQUIRE a certain size, or just prefer a certain size? What size? 99th percentile? 90th percentile? I have never been asked about my penis size by a woman before having sex with her. My penis size (average) also never was a reason for a woman to not want to have sex with me, when it was revealed to her. With 50 female sex partners, most of them casual sex (so no other incentive for her than to get her sexual pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 10:18 AM
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"Dated". It's mostly a short term sexual relationship, or some short lived summer fling. I would be absolutely fine with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 08:28 AM
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Yet red pillers here still defend dating barely legal teenagers. Lets set morality aside. Do you not see how it's a huge risk in the modern, western world? How about we talk about people who ACTUALLY are in committed relationships with barely legal teenagers with a huge age gap, instead of people who TALK about WANTING to FUCK barely legal teenagers. Other than that, i am answering as someone with a 13 yr age gap (41&28, 5 year relationship) you think they'll take care of your old ass? I don't w…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 08:26 AM
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this is more like the guy is hangry and screams at his girlfriend over something minor How is that a gendered thing? Some people do that when they are hangry. I’ve noticed in my past relationships men are really on edge. THat's the men you pick, or maybe it even has something to do with you. I wanted to ask the men in this sub if you were this guy Nope, i am calm as fuck. Learning to regulate your emotions, might be a first step. Screen for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 08:16 AM
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If you go on social media ... You rarely find any male podcasters offering women dating advice or red flags to look for in men who trick women Do i really need to explain to you how social media algorithms work? They tell you what you want to hear such as they love you, they can't live without you, your their heart and soul, they can't stop thinking about you ect within a week of meeting you, buy you gifts, food, etc, trick you into thinking they are genuine and honest. That is very much talked …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 08:13 AM
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Any women that you tried to be win the competiton over. So, either become more competitive (red pill), or look for women in real life, who are lower mate value than the women you tried to be competitive for. Or just give up and be either frustrated or numb on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 07:54 AM
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Yes, we talk about marriage and that is one of the goals in the coming years. It will be an open marriage though. I do not see myself becoming exclusive anytime soon, if ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 07:51 AM
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Because red pillers are not a monolith. It attracts the ideological crowd, who is frustrated and looks for something to blame others for their misery. And it attracts the sane crowd, who really wants to understand mating dynamics.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 07:49 AM
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That is the same for me though. I wouldn't like if most of my friends are way more attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 07:48 AM
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From the same pew research. It's stable for years, ~70%. Sometimes 71 or 72%, sometimes 68 or 69%, that is just the sampling error each year. It's also coming up in all the other studies on committed relationships. You are talking about men and women under 30, where it's lower than 70%, because that is the age where people are less committed, due to life circumstances, preferences, etc. Also, 63% of men is very very likely not the true signal but sampling bias. You can look at the long time tren…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 07:45 AM
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Tell something from your experience, if you want that. I did. I am the confident and secure guy who doesn't even think about the men in her past. I was speaking in general, but somehow you managed to mention me, bro. Because the way you think about this topic makes it very plausible that you are affected by retroactive jealousy. You would have no insecurity finding out your wife was more adventureous with another (random) man? Not speaking of an ex husband Bro, i am having an open relationship. …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 05:23 PM
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So, assuming you didn't get dates from OLD, you seem to not be competitive for the women on Bumble that you swiped right on.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 05:18 PM
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So instead of constantly complaining about women's standards and who you deem they should settle for, then maybe you need to drop your standards a little, to women you aren't attracted to. You think the men who read here and struggle in dating are not already swiping on everyone? Their issue is, that they are not competitive on Bumble/Tinder. Their equivalent in a woman needs to be found in real life. Which is a problem, as they are terminally online, and so is their equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 02:06 PM
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Interesting. And you’re saying with the men in your friend group it’s strictly platonic. Yeah, not just in the friend group. I cannot for the life of me get any sexual arousal from interacting with me. I have tried. I have done MMF threesomes, and MMFF foursomes, or MMFFF, with men i found attractive and felt bonded with. Still, strictly platonic, no romantic or sexual vibe. I still like them to be equally attractive as i am. So all of this is just how you are with the women? Yeah, though some m…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 01:13 PM
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I answered here Because we are vastly different personalities, in vastly different social/cultural subgroups. Where those male friends less attractive than you? I think we need to talk about relative attractiveness here. I am attractive and i want my friends to be about as attractive as i am. I don't want them to be leagues above me. That would not feel good. I can imagine, that if i were unattractive, that i would also want unattractive friends. Similarity is usually a very important trait in b…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 01:04 PM
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I don't deal with this "respect"-talk at all. Respect is earned, and not for being attractive, or existing, or being a man or a woman, old or young. I prefer aesthetic things and people. I like to look at attractive people. I feel better with attractive people and i am willing to exploit the brain reward system by having attractive friends ( https://www.cell.com/AJHG/fulltext/S0896-6273(01)00491-300491-3) ). There is probably an unconscious effect of influencing my own perceived value/attractive…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 12:51 PM
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Probably my fixation on neotenous features and traits i automatically ascribe to young/old women, that i am either attracted to or repulsed by.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 12:30 PM
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That really just sounds like insecurity to me. Retroactive jealousy/bodycount: You are comparing yourself to other men, and because of your low self-valuation/insecurity in your value to the woman, you lose that comparison in your own head. Your thoughts circle around your own negative comparison to the other men, that you project into her mind. So you think that when she has sex with you, she also thinks about the other men who "fucked her better" than you. Contrast this with a confident man wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 12:25 PM
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Uncertainty due to what? In my experience, people are uncertain when they are not getting what they want or need. In that case, have open communication about what everyone wants/needs, and then see if this can be realized, or if it's unreasonable, or impossible to achieve. Like: "i want there to be new-relationship-energy forever", is an unreasonable to impossible requirement to have for a relationship. "I am uncertain about the relationship, because i think i could have a better matching/more a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 11:59 AM
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Yeah, but that is hardly what makes her want to be in a committed relationship with you. Looks, intelligence and humor barely set you apart from all the other men she could be with, who are around your looks and intelligence level. Why specifically you? YOu need to be able to bring up other characteristics, that allow her to see if there is a SPECIAL MATCH with you two, that other attractive, intelligent, witty men do not have.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 11:37 AM
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Yes, most men are awful lovers, at least when it comes to uncommitted partners. I have no insight on relationship-sex. Women just tell me about their one night stands and casual relationships. So part of that probably is due to not being attuned to each other, having less or no incentive to care for the pleasure of the other person, when there is no second hookup. But more importantly, men just don't know what is important, because they view sex and women from a male perspective and never cared …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 11:33 AM
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Don't believe everything you hear on the internet. Women do not lose respect to men who care about their pleasure and who can make her feel so desired and accepted, by burying their face in their genitalia, not getting enough of them. It's ridiculously fragile masculinity to even think that this could be regarded as "unmanly"/not dominant and make her lose respect. It's what men who don't like eating pussy tell each other, to cope with the fact that women (on average, there are certainly women w…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 11:11 AM
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yes, but it's different for women i am already bonded to. I am already highly overrating her attractiveness and am biased. That will surely make me see her way more attractive than other women her age. I am more concerned with other women. I cannot stay attractive to women aged 20-25 forever. I'd like it to be attracted to women aged 30-35, when i am 45.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 11:05 AM
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It's the opposite for me. I am attracted to all my good friends, and it's a requirement for me to want to be friends with them. For male friends (as i am straight), this only means that i think they are attractive, without being sexually attracted to them. I couldn't be friends with men who i find unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 10:37 AM
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There is no problem in being attracted to your friends, as long as you are still friends with them first, and attracted to them second. There is only a friendzone, if you are not really friends with them, but just close to them, faking friendship, while actually just romantically/sexually interested. It's false to assume that a man only fake-befriend a woman to get close to ther for sexual or romantic reasons. For women, to only befriend men who they are attracted to, does not reduce the chance …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 10:29 AM
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That's exactly what i mean when i say "men cannot name what they bring to the table except their income." Looks are obvious, when she is in front of you. So on a date, you would be left with: i am intelligent and i think i am funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 10:21 AM
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Just turned 28
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 10:11 AM
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41m here, with a girlfriend, active social life, every weekend on parties or social gatherings, etc.: not been attracted to a woman over age 33 yet. Hope this changes when i get older.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 09:00 AM
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Your level of attraction to a woman of a certain age is not determined by if you are red pill or blue pill. I WISH i was attracted to women my age. I would pay good money if i could do anything to be attracted to 40yo women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 08:57 AM
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Men and women increasingly prefer younger partners the older they get, it's just way more pronounced in men. You don't see the men who are older than their young girlfriends ask about: but when 50% of women at 18yo want an older partner, why should i date an 18yo as an older man, when only 3% want an older partner at 45yo? Won't she leave me at that point? <image> I dont belive in wife goggles tbh, It's not a matter of "belief". There is hard evidence for this effect. People in romantic relation…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 08:53 AM
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No doubt, but not enough. If it's only sexual attraction, you are in a sexual relationship. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_of_romantic_love
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 08:26 AM
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I mean "their own fault" in the sense that it has to do only with him. No moral judgment and not necessarily anything they can change. Maybe this doesn't translate perfectly in English. <image> " Fault" might have the connotation, that it's a moral failing and/or that it's something that can be changed. A fault in behavior. I don't mean it like that. Everything about the guy results in his situation. His genes, his upbringing, where he was born and to whom, what he did in his life up to the poin…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 08:23 AM
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many red pilled young men pushing ideas that men should act one way and women should act another. These men are obsessed with looking strong, getting rich, dominating other men, and making their women submit to and depend on them. The moment a "should" comes into play, it's no longer red pill, but an ideology based on traditional values. Red pill doesn't say what should be, just what is. Red pill, in a world where men are feminine and women are masculine, would just describe that and explain how…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 08:06 AM
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I don't make this up. I just repeat what the science has found. So it doesn't just make a bit of sense. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1467-9280.1992.tb00038.x https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1053811906006112
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 08:44 PM
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As a man who has sex with other women while being in a relationship: the things that cause the most jealousy is not when i have sex with those women, but when i spend money on them or when she thinks that i "like" them a little too much. Just sex is fine. Even just cooking for them is worse than fucking them. "Resources" shall only be provided for her. Evolutionarily, it doesn't matter if a man fucks other women, as long as he stays with his committed partner and she gets 100% of his resources f…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 08:23 PM
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I have actually heard a lot of women say emotional cheating is worse for them than physical cheating. That's what i said. They say this but I'm not sure just how truthful they are being...as women share deep emotional bonds or bonding time with other men regularly while being taken. Because that is not so jealousy triggering for men. Also I'm pretty sure the biggest spats and fallouts on average are from where actual sex is involved which sounds obvious. No. The biggest fights and fallouts come …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 07:45 PM
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Why? People are different. Let them hate porn and go somewhere, where people like you live.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 07:16 PM
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Dude, if you asked how many people are currently eating, you would get a percentage that is WAY below 100%. But in the end, we are all eating in regular intervals. Your statement is, that >50% will be single FOR LIFE, not currently. That is VASTLY different. Or did i misunderstand you, and you are just talking abaout currently, and you think that most people will have phases with committed relationships and phases without?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 07:11 PM
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How have things improved in dating since tinder and instagram released in 2012? You argued that people just don't want to be in relationships. So what is the problem? People get what they want. And it’s not going to get BETTER. Why BETTER? I thought people don't want relationships? I argue, that rates of being in relationships increase when those young people get into their 30s. Because wanting a relationship becomes a higher priority for people in that age bracket. There is no reason to think t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 06:20 PM
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Move to a different place then, when your behavior doesn't match the social norms of your location.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 06:14 PM
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Single at one point in time. Like i said, that doesn't mean that they are single for all of the time between 18 and 29. Also, i argued how this is due to lifestyle in 20s being different than lifestyle in 30s. The percentage will very likely increase to levels we see in 30-40yos now.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 06:07 PM
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Asexuality devalues someone for me completely. Not interested one bit to date an asexual person.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 05:44 PM
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I also said that this just captures the current situation and doesn't mean that the other 52% are single all the time. Please, write a rebuttal to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 05:33 PM
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What do you bring to the table? What have those men listed as what they bring to the table? Can you point me to any threads about that where i can see men showing what they bring to the table? I can't find them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 05:32 PM
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How do you want me to prove that?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 05:13 PM
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If you have any evidence to the contrary, and think that most men who were born after 2000 will not be single (citing past generations social dynamics is not evidence, thing are totally different now) and that things are not moving this way then great I'm happy to hear it. But everything is pointing to the opposite. The GSS data from 2024 shows: <image> For people aged 18-29, 44% of women having a steady partner and 48% of men having a steady partner. (for N(men)=153, N(women)=150). So, even in …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 04:48 PM
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Not even as a clarification after having been called stupid/low IQ? Or after having been asked about his intelligence?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 04:12 PM
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But since we don't live 200 years ago, i can be an entomologist and a Chad at the same time. Also, all the beetle collectors i know are married with children.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 04:08 PM
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Can you give an example of how you LOGICALLY navigate pretty basic social dynamics? Also, i have never come across anyone in this sub in the last years who claimed to be "the most intelligent man who ever graced earth" or anything close to it. Not once did i read someone post their tested IQ level (except for me). If we go by standard psychometric definitions, such as IQ tests or Spearman’s g factor, then yes: you can score very high and still be socially obtuse. These tests emphasize logical re…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 04:05 PM
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What do you think happens instead of courting when a man is interested in a relationship with a woman? Why do people not like the actual relationship? The overwhelming majority of people are in relationships and close to everyone wants to be in a relationship. Why are you right and they wrong? What is the basis for that?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 03:33 PM
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I did understand very well. First, it seems, regarding acceptance of partner watches porn, there are cultural differences between where i live (Germany) and where you live or talk about probably (USA). Even within the countries, there are strong differences based on religiosity, age, etc. I just looked up some data and found, that for people aged ~18-40, there is only 10-15% who would say porn consumption would negatively affect the relationship, in Germany, while it's 30-35% and potentially way…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 03:25 PM
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I have never been creeped out by a woman i found attractive. What creeps me out are mentally disabled, unattractive women. Because of the unpredictability of their actions and possibly utter neglect of social norms. Have a look at those studies, if you are interested in creepiness. I maybe was a little too harsh with my initial statement. Maybe "for the most part" should be change to significantly less likely to be creepy for men, especially, when the men are attracted to the women. Creepiness r…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 03:11 PM
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I never met met a woman who was upset about me having access to porn. Where do you find those women? Women (i am in a romantic relationship with) have sex with me because they want to, not because they exchange that for something else they want. They are not threatened by porn, as that is a completely different niche. Women are way less jealous about sexual rivals than about emotional or resource-receiving rivals. It's men who are jealous about sexual infidelity way more than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 02:09 PM
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Yes, i live in Germany. MY field is probably very different from your field. I live in Berlin, and my target demographic are 18-25 year old women (i am 41), who are deep in the techno, party, sex positive, sociosexually unrestricted, sensation seeking, drugs, hedonism lifestyle. Mostly with daddy issues or cluster B personality issues. Sex parties, techno clubs, (after)parties, social life with friends are the place i mostly look for women. Those environments go hand in hand with sexuality and h…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 01:46 PM
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I don't know where you got that citation but not from me... Ah, i thought you are still the person i replied to. he said: ".To a single guy, doing things for someone who made no commitments to you and isn't reciprocating is a recipe for disaster. Women already can't be bothered to do the bare minimum and think they must be rewarded with princess treatment for just existing." My guy I began dating in the 2000s in Eastern Europe and I never payed any dime for RP. It was free, and I loved to use. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 11:52 AM
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"Some interest" is not commitment. You court women before there is commitment. You clearly court women who show interest and don't label you desperate (which is not going together with being interested in you). Women already can't be bothered to do the bare minimum and think they must be rewarded with princess treatment for just existing. Then you have never experienced a woman being interested in you. (Are you sure you are RP? I think based on your comments many of us are confused about that...…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 10:19 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT8MGk4dxfk It's in the fucking title of the video you linked
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 09:55 AM
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You forgot bi-sexual men/women. You also forgot to mention, that this is just for dating advice for straight men. You also neglected that the actual (successful) experience, similarity to the advice receiver and deeper understanding/knowledge of human mating, is what sets advice givers apart. In the end, you ask the experienced and successful fisherman/woman that fishes in the same pond as you, for advice, not the lesbian, inexperienced and unsuccessful fisherwoman that fishes in a body of water…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 09:44 AM
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You really think that it's a good idea to be on this sub, while you post about you being suicidal right now?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 08:49 AM
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There is only wanted attention, when i find a woman attractive. Women also cannot be creepy to men for the most part. Creepiness requires an element of feeling threatened. Women are not threatening to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 08:45 AM
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Sexual attraction is not enough to be in romantic relationship though.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 08:43 AM
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Same goes for men who end up with bad women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 08:42 AM
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We have had enough threads of "what do you bring to the table", that clearly showed, that men cannot name what they bring to the table except their income. Feel free to be different.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 08:40 AM
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You understand the courting phase, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 08:39 AM
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The biggest thing I’ve noticed on the sub is that when you get 5 to 10 replies deep with somebody, they reveal ... that they are autistic and all their dating problems are actually due to autism and not the thing that the thread is about. ... that they base their entire view about dating on extreme social media content and comments, that are created to trigger emotional involvement ... that they just look for confirmation for their coping story, so they don't feel like a failure. I would argue p…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 08:35 AM
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You quote her in every thread. She fits your conspiracy infested brain
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 08:20 AM
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So you picked categories that are not even the focus of the other piece of art. You used your personal preferences to measure what is superior.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 08:13 AM
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Isn't that the case currently in the view of OP?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 07:57 AM
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What are you basing these statements on? For example, whenever I hear women say something about how they love their partner, it's always in relation to what he does for them, not what they do for him. That's status jerking. How about you get a woman to love you and see first hand, that it's not about the things you think it is. Mh? How about that? So you don't have to base your worldview on Esther Vilar and what you see on social media.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 07:53 AM
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This is official Hinge data from one of their data scientists. I just visualized it differently. <image> You cannot just say "it's not true" when it contradicts what you want to believe, so you don#t feel like a failure
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 09:06 PM
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I am not talking about gen Z men. I am talking about all men. For women below 30, their committed relationship rate is close to 70%. Having in mind ,that very young women are not looking for commitment at the same rate as older women, this doesn't hint at a hoeflation, it hints at: age gap preferences, young men not being relationship material, young men not wanting relationships. Bring up the studies that support your claims of "women only liking the top 2%" or 5%.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 09:03 PM
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So why do women keep only liking the top 2% of men on dating apps if they are aware of this? They don't. Men and women show a pretty similar behavior in liking mostly the top 15% of profiles, with a very small share (~5%) of the total likes going towards the bottom 50%. Here is the distribution of likes on Hinge for men and women. So what's going on there? Are men delusional about their mate value? Why are the bottom 50% of men not sending all their like to the bottom 50%? <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 08:51 PM
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70% of men ARE in committed relationships currently. You can look up the statistics yourself. It's even in the well cited pew studies. People are in commited relationships without producing babies. I am 41, 20years of committed relationships, zero kids. Assortative mating is very much intact. Look at the studies please, instead of listening to some charlatans. Assortative mating is increasing, as reasons for hypergamy diminish further in the west.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 08:45 PM
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Superior in what sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 08:29 PM
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What is the problem of female sexuality portrayed for the sake of man's pleasure? We have media that is specifically for female pleasure as well. Let men have their sexually stimulating media!
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 08:21 PM
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That doesn't keep 70% of women from being in committed relationships currently, and at least half of the rest, having been and soon being in committed relationships again. So, where are these women, whose failure to understand sexual market value and relationship market value, leads them to have problems finding relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 07:16 PM
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you cannot provide evidence for your claims. So i'll just not accept your statements and rather rely on the studies i have read on the topic. If i would have seen ANY evidence that points to biology not having an impact on submissiveness, i would not ask for the studies. I don't think they exist, and your refusal to provide them, seems to agree with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 07:12 PM
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So to fix relationships and dating, the single men just need to stop expecting Chad treatment as the measure of attraction? Is it really that easy?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 05:53 PM
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" What are the studies you want me to read, where i see how i am wrong?"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 05:40 PM
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are you somehow pissed that your bi ass is not included?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 04:59 PM
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Studies that look at the attractiveness rating use non-makeup faces for both sexes. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 04:49 PM
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We generally only deal with heterosexual mating dynamics here.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 04:45 PM
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How about the explanation that young men are just not having the social skills anymore to get into relationships. They are still required to be the active parts, but 8 hours of instagram/tiktok a day don't prepare you to fill that role.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 04:43 PM
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That is what this is about, yes. Mating dynamics.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 04:42 PM
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THere is none. It's a coping mechanism to explain why equally attractive women don't want to have sex with them, without it bei their own fault.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 04:38 PM
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Of course it's that way. But the unsuccessful men need to have a story that explains their failure without them being the issue. You know, the accountability that they always want to see in women..
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 04:37 PM
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Lots of words for clumsily repeating the well established fact, that men have way less requirements for sexual partners than women, and a greater libido, and a little less requirements for committed relationship partners than women. For which the understanding of the biological foundation goes back to 1948. Bateman, and later Trivers , emphasized that in anisogamous species: – Females produce few, large, immobile gametes (eggs) – Males produce many, small, mobile gametes (sperm) This asymmetry d…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 04:28 PM
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Bring the evidence, then, so i can change my mind
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 05:26 AM
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Then imagine things happen not like you are sure they would. THen find evidence to support one or the other, to clear up the conflict.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 07:58 PM
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You would need to prove that what we're seeing is a result of selection pressure and not just a result of deeply ingrained socialisation. You are making the claim that it's due to socialization but i have to prove it isn't? That's not how it works. I made the claim that evolution shapes the differences between men and women and i have given your arguments for why it's beneficial for women to be submissive compared to dominant. That we can see this pattern over all cultures should be a hint for y…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 05:02 PM
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Submissiveness was only recognized as a positive feminine trait since around 4,000 years ago. That is not long enough for natural selection to really make a difference. We don't know what prehistoric humans selected for and we will probably never know. We know what prehistoric humans selected for, because we are dealing with the consequences of that today. Not all men like submissive women. Maybe even most do not like submissive women. It certainly isn't something that genetically fit men automa…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 04:18 PM
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Do you think the majority of men who struggle have no active social life and friends? Yes, i do. Furthermore, to those who don’t, it’s extremely condescending to tell someone to just “try having friends” when there may be a myriad of reasons they find it difficult to form friendships. I have days on this sub, where every post of a man i click on is from an autist. They have the most issues with understanding mating and romantic relationships, friendships etc. They are just fucked. They should kn…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 03:51 PM
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Do you feel better about yourself when your husband says that you look beautiful to him, or when he says you look ugly to him today?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 03:41 PM
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It does though. Same goes for men and how women see us.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 03:30 PM
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That is what you said, not what i said. Try engaging with my points, not the ones you make up in your mind as a strawman to attack.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 03:30 PM
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The difference is that men innately want to dominate. If they lose yes they must submit. This is in contrast to women who want to find a more dominant man to be subordinate to. No they don't. There are different strategies that are all viable. On average, men are more dominant than women, yes. The difference between the sexes is moderate though. Men are about 0.4-0.5 standard deviations more dominant than women, on average. As you certainly know, there are also submissive men and very dominant w…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 03:23 PM
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Your genetic setup is to a large degree influencing your behavior. There is no single gene that codes for submissiveness. There are many, and submissiveness is not 0 or 1 coded, but on a spectrum. Women who were more submissive had evolutionary fitness benefits. They got selected more by genetically fit men, and they had survival and procreation benefits for causing more cooperative situations than confrontative situations in their social contexts.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 03:18 PM
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Maybe look at the evolutionary perspective, like i said.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 03:10 PM
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I am a biologist. My main hobby is looking into science on human mating. I never said women are domesticated. I compared the process of preferential selection of individuals with desired traits. I am very open to stand corrected. You list intra sexual conflict as a reason why women got submissive (if i understand you correctly). Isn't that exactly the "sexual selection" reason i mentioned? What are the studies you want me to read, where i see how i am wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 12:33 PM
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In a world where love often feels conditional, that kind of blind devotion is a weird but real power move. Love IS conditional. And it is no less conditional in a partner who is obsessed with you. Obsession is an intense psychological state marked by compulsive attention, emotional fixation, and intrusive thoughts about a person. While it may feel unconditional because of its intensity, obsession is fundamentally driven by specific needs, insecurities, or idealizations. If your behavior, appeara…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 12:27 PM
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School Matchmade by friends in university University Bumble
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 11:51 AM
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Well, her social status and self worth depend on it to a relevant amount. That's a good reason to appeal to the male gaze.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 10:56 AM
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In 2021, Sophia Urista urinated on a male fan on stage, and then kicked him. She suffered some minor consequences, but was not cancelled for it, and 4 years later, her career is still going strong. That was consensual. Any man who urinated on and kicked a female fan on stage would be cancelled if not locked up for it. Prove it. Imagine if a male artist talked about the wet dream he had had the previous night in front of an all-ages audience. "Imagine" is an argument now? You think what you THINK…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 10:33 AM
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Address the rest of the comment please. Also, could you become rich by ghostwriting dating profiles?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 09:21 AM
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Men aren't approaching women because they don't want to make them feel uncomfortable. How do we differentiate this from men just coping with their insecurity? Lack of accountability.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 09:09 AM
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How long did you think about that question? Men are turned on by PICTURES of women. There is no possibility to "act feminine" that could be a prerequisite for getting turned on. Men can get hard for a can of warm ground beef. A masculine acting woman who looks hot will definitely be enough to be able to get hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 09:06 AM
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I cannot remember to have ever gotten rejected at the point of asking a woman out. Maybe some absolutely unremarkable ("no, not interested") online dating rejections or ghosting, when directly asking for a meetup. Rejection happens way before i would ask for a date. Either by directly telling me, or by lack of enthusiasm for me. Nothing bad ever happened to me after being rejected at any stage of trying to go on a date with a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 08:28 AM
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Congratulations, you just invented courtship.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 07:56 AM
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I think a lot of men’s major hurdle is just finding good, quality opportunities to meet compatible women. But not for the lack of quality opportunities, but for the men's personalities and lifestyle. Try having friends and an active social life with non-male dominated hobbies and a not terminally online lifestyle. Try not being a niceguy who thinks talking to a woman is "bothering" her. WIth that mindset and crippling fear, low selfesteem, and view of men, your LEAST problem is quality opportuni…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 07:52 AM
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Your post and all of your replies are just the same regurgitated things that all woke people repeat. There is not a single unique, personal thought in them. Why do you do that? Are you really looking to change your mind here, when a better argument comes around? Are you dealing with your own femininity as a man? Are you looking for moral status points from your fellow wokies? What kind of argument or data would we need to bring up, that you changed your mind? If you can't think of anything, you …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 07:46 AM
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Cooperation also works when there are slight differences in average expressions of dominance in men and women. You are probably overexaggerating what this difference is
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 07:37 AM
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Then explain how evolution and sexual selection wouldn't have favored a submissive gene setup in women. Think about domestication of animals. How many dominant and rebellious domesticated animals do you see around? Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 07:36 AM
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Men in power did the same to other men. Being rebellious against forces that put you in a submissive position is a trait of suppressed people, not one of women or men. You are not analyzing this on same levels of power. Also, you have a romanticized view of women in your head, when you talk about art and beautiful birds. Art, poetry, craftsmanship, etc. are predominantly all male traits, based in courtship and expression of skills to attract women. (of course, women are also artists, but it's a …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 07:31 AM
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There's a common belief here that men have terrible personalities and if it was only for improving this one aspect that they have agency over - they would magically overcome some relationship obstacle. No, there is not the common belief that men have terrible personalities. There is also not the belief that women have good personalities. But this can be disproven by the fact that if most men actually gave their dating profiles over to women (and paid them a fuck load of money) - women would be e…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 07:14 AM
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You assume so many things. This is just a thing in your head. Red pill women rejecting red pill loser men. Great. What is there to debate? Most men and women are not red pill online warriors and they both do their fair share of vetting and still sometimes end up with terrible partners, whom they submit to or not submit to. Why exactly do we need to argue about this "special breed of man in pill spaces"? What is the benefit? Do you need screeching gender and pill wars everyday to be entertained?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 05:40 PM
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Shaming is an effective tool. It doesn't lead to changed preferences, but it can lead to changed behavior. For example: i still fuck fat women, when they fall into my lap, but i hide that from people who would shame me for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 03:49 PM
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From the title alone, i knew it's a post from you. The topic is just a "you issue". It's your fear, your low self esteem. That we see in all of your threads. It's all you seem to think about. You have no basis to say anything about "the average man". Deal with your own demons. The average man is fine, according to the average man.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 03:36 PM
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Looks only weakly correlate with number of sex partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 10:55 AM
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If a woman doesnt change during the relationship the love will remain. Bullshit. The man can change and lose interest in the same woman. Do you even have relationship experience?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 08:31 AM
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Post ANY of those data sets
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 06:14 PM
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Extensive research and looking at data sets? What data sets?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 06:10 PM
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And i explained to you why the misogynists in this sub still struggle, even if that were true.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 06:05 PM
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Why do you still run with the story that women are attracted to misogyny when you know it's wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 02:40 PM
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Those men are not a monolith. You would need to ask every single one of them for their motivations. The women i am interested in, and those who are interested in me, share a mutual preference and understanding of me being " generally more competent and able in more areas that they value than they are". This naturally comes with large age gaps.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 02:27 PM
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Men who act holier than thou when it comes to women’s selectivity. You’d act exactly the same in their shoes How is that an argument for anything? Tell that to feminists: "if you were men, you would also oppress and objectify women, and establish a patriarchy, so calm your tits and just accept how things are!" Really? Rather ask the question: can we reasonable change something that causes issues, to achieve a new status quo that increases overall wellbeing? Or should we just accept that men and …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 02:18 PM
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unconditional love does not mean loving someone forever no matter what they do it means that someone can be loved simply due to their nature and nothing else. Are you fucking kidding me? It does not mean that someone CAN be loved by SOMEONE simply due to their nature. Look at children. They are loved by their parents, and their love towards the children remains, no matter what the children do. It's even a one-sided love, and it still holds. Why would an intelligent person like chris rock insinua…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 02:05 PM
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Please cite your sources unless this is just a troll post.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 01:38 PM
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unconditional just means without qualifications. No. It means that being loved by your romantic partner does not depend on conditions being met. What you are talking about is the notion that women have inherent value that men will want to be with them for, while men do not, and need to build their value to women. This is wrong and only perpetuated by men who think they have no value. A low value man can't just sit at home and swipe on the apps or go to a bar in a sexy suit and get approached by …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 12:14 PM
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Men and women are not the same. Don't expect them to be treated the same. If you expect equal outcomes and think men and women are the same, you can be frustrated together with the radical feminist.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 10:21 AM
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this is not what this thread is about. Also, with "your threads" i was including his other threads, who further the gender war.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 10:01 AM
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Legally? Yes. How people react to it is part of the culture. Why would you expect that critique of men and women is received the same way?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 09:59 AM
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But then I come on here and it’s treated like the default way of dating. Because "here" is a special demographic of men who don't have a way to meet women outside of dating apps.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 09:58 AM
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Yes, there is no default morality. Everything happens between two people who need to talk about rules, ethics and expectations. Even if 95% followed a default morality, how do you know the person you are currently seeing isn't belonging to the 5% who don't? You are always better suited with assuming nothing and speaking about the things you want. Are there still baseline dating ethics, or is it purely "buyer beware" now? Don't expect anything. Make sure you are on the same page. Should exclusivi…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 09:54 AM
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So what? That is art. People react to it. I wish feminists would respect men the way they ask us to respect them… You are the problem in this world. Stop furthering the gender war with your threads.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 09:50 AM
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It has nothing to do with likelihood to become victims between men and women. Women consume true crime with female victims mostly. Men are often victims of different crimes than women. Differently motivated, differently expressed. Men are completely different. I won't go into how taking risks is a male thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 09:44 AM
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I’ve never understood why some men expected a woman to default “submit to him” or “submit to men” without him inspiring it. Because their default assumption is, that they inspire this in the woman. That she trusts him to be generally more competent and able in more areas that they value than they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 09:40 AM
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The last thread dubiously made the claim that women are attracted to misogyny. And it was debunked by multiple people. So why do you run with it? If women are attracted to misogyny, then why do so many men here, who are misogynistic by nature, struggle? Because those men have other traits that make them undesirable. The study was about sexually active men. So whatever the misogynists had besides their misogyny, was attractive enough to let them have sex with women. The men who struggle here, do …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 09:37 AM
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Because you can't. You cannot even understand how learning about how crime is perpetrated can help you safeguard yourself against becoming a victim. I doesn't matter who writes the arguments against you. You just lost and you are either too deep in your ideology of hating women, or you are really cognitively unable to have this debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 09:25 AM
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I would bet women initiate breakups at the same rate, possibly more. You would lose. Women and men break up to equal parts in relationships that are not marriages. Women initiate divorce 7 times out of 10 Yes, but that is just about the formal initiation. You know, i hand over the money most of the times when the check comes in a restaurant. But most of the times, my gf handed my her part of the check in cash just before or after. You would need to look at the whole process and not just at who f…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 09:09 AM
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I enjoy promiscuous women. I have my part in "creating" them, but not because i am desperate, but because i enjoy having new sex partners. You bring the moral judgment into this. I couldn't care less about single moms, just like i don't care about the other 99%+ of the female population, who i do not regard as potential mates. I couldn't care less about only fans models. I encouraged my gf to start an onlyfans if she needs extra money. No need to come after women or other men. I'd rather come af…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 09:04 AM
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willing to love her without knowing anything about Love is not a decision. If it were, that would also be hinting at it not being unconditional. A series of conditional love events does not make love unconditional. The unconditional element is important for how one feels in the loving pair bond, how secure and how independent of one's own value one is loved. This does is not how real life is. Love is conditional for women, too. Before a man wins the affection of others he needs to demonstrate a …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 08:19 AM
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How does turning the horrifying things that happened to others into entertainment make you any safer? If anything, it makes you less safe because it makes you think the world is far more dangerous than it really is (see the whole man vs best thing) This is complete nonsense. Let AI do the reasoning. The argument that consuming true crime content can increase personal safety, especially when done with an educational intent, is grounded in practical behavioral science and criminological evidence. …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 08:03 AM
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That doesn't change the fact that women are loved CONDITIONALLY. If the conditions aren't met, love ends. We can see that happening in about half of all breakups.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 10:02 PM
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How can you even think that women are loved unconditionally, when men break up with them and lose their love for them when they cheat on them. That is a conditional love.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 09:34 PM
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You are pretty alone in that view. Men disagree and most women also disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 09:22 PM
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You should let Ai write your responses, because if you try to argue yourself, it doesn't make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 09:19 PM
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You are repeating what i said. For women, the number of sex partners is only restricted/determined by their personality, not by the availability of men who want to have sex with them. For men, it's personality to the largest degree, but social status, attractiveness and wealth also play limiting or enabling factors.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 07:29 PM
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That means it's especially for women the case, that personality determines the number of sex partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 07:16 PM
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I am saying this for years already: having lots of sex partners is a personality issue, not an attractiveness issue. The men in the sex focused group do what is necessary to have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 06:11 PM
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The highest correlation related to sex was substance abuse, probably correlating with $ rather than "drugs cause sex". Libido increasing drugs that keep you up all weekend, horny as fuck, wanting to have sex with anything that moves, disregarding all safety concerns are cheap as fuck. You couldn't get drunk cheaper. People who consume them do want to have sex. They find each other, take drugs and have sex. It's a subsample of the population: sex positive, sociosexually unrestricted, drug positiv…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 06:09 PM
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Why didn't you report, that the 4th group, the "sex-focused" had more then THREE TIMES the average sex partner count than the misogynistic men's group? With an average of 52 (compared to 15 of the misogynistic group) sex partners at an average age of 21.8 years old. The men in this groupp were described as: "We named the fourth group, the smallest identified at 4 % of the sample, Sex Focused. These men’s endorsement of traditional masculinity ideology and their hostility toward women were low to…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 05:50 PM
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What men miss out about "the light switch effect" is that it doesn't happen overnight What you miss about the light switch effect, is that it is very much an overnight loss of attraction. What you talk about is not the light switch effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 03:45 PM
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This is proof that women and men love in fundamentally different ways: Men love in a linear, enduring way their emotional investment lingers. Women love based on emotion in the moment when the emotion dies, so does the attachment. the light switch effect is not about how people think about their exes, but about how/why love/attraction can suddenly end. Women do not love based on emotion. Love is not about emotional investment that lingers. Men and women can experience the light switch flipping, …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 03:39 PM
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Those get togethers and clubs are mostly >50% male. So where is the female privilege?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 02:44 PM
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Doesn't reflect well on you to not understand what "most" means.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 02:41 PM
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Bold of you to assume we live in a social dystopia. Isn't everyone having their individual social situation? How is the system affecting this? I am living in a social utopia. I regularly am convinced that it's not possible to be any better.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 02:40 PM
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Friends are a defined subset of people that use each other until they become useless.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 02:38 PM
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Please, tell me, without anecdotes.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 02:18 PM
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Less than 0.1% of women have a triple digit body count. There are enough sociosexually unrestricted men who are promiscuous themselves, who see no problem in this lifestyle but rather welcome a shared value in this regard. They do not see this as a reason to not commit this woman. Also, if these women have the experience of not being accepted as long term partners, while reading everywhere about promiscuous women not being wanted, etc., don't you think their next approach is to just lie about th…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 02:14 PM
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Those women stop that behavior when they get into a relationship with a man who can validate them for other things than sex. People just want to be loved and told they are worth something.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 02:00 PM
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My boring days are in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 01:47 PM
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Because the advice is clearly aimed at people who do have friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 01:44 PM
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You obviously didn't read the whole reply. Also, there have always been people who have no friends/do not get invited to parties. It's those people who struggle and they can't just throw a party.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 01:27 PM
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There's a real sense that wanting to have sex makes a man sexually undesirable That is why women lose interest in men who don't make it clear that they are sexually interested on the first date and reflect that in behavior and words? So many men struggle with expressing this sexual interest out of fear to be rejected or to "bother" women. "How can i escalate things" is a common topic. A woman who wants sex can literally just ask and get it, whereas even an attractive man may have to pretend or l…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 01:20 PM
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That's why people call you boring. I have 10+ years of being a boring DnD nerd under my belt. A day/night of playing DnD is not a party in the sense of what you layed out in the OP. Nobody ever called our DnD sessions a party.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 01:09 PM
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How is this a vomit response? I've read the articles a year ago when i dug into the true crime issue with women. I am refuting the OPs statements with evidence, that i am not going to type out myself, but just checking if what the AI writes is the same that i have read last year. Vomit is hardly structured and emphasized so one doesn'T have to read everything. Do you have a problem with answers that provide sources? Not so easy to keep posting feelings, when there is facts available.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 10:59 AM
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From an objective point of view, this is a really messed up hobby. You’re turning the trauma and suffering of others into your entertainment, the same way “Revenge of the Sith” (entirely fictional) is my entertainment. Women's main motivation to be into true crime is to prepare and avoid to become a victim. Similarly, men are into war. With true crime, the fans are clearly in it for entertainment, not for clearing an innocent man’s name. They are not. Read the respective literature on it. It wou…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 10:31 AM
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My point was: we have always been a commodity. There is no need to transform to one. Different traits are valued differently. This changes with environmental factors and culture. Go with the times, adapt to the new weights for the traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 10:17 AM
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I am average height and i can't go a week without random people telling me i am hot. And i've got the casual sex life to prove it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 10:10 AM
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Nothing similarly "must supress" like this exists for women imo (also according to themselves). Sure, women are shamed too and there are men who talk very badly about them, but I don't belive that is a similar fundamental truth. What? The suppression of female sexuality is THE major thing. Women can date men who are ok with casual sex, escorts can find boyfriends easily Okay, if you think large parts of the male demographic absolutely rejecting escorts as wife material, is "easily" finding boyfr…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 09:44 AM
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Women only care about what you offer them. That is the same with men. Relationships are transactional. If you don't want to be what someone needs, you will not be what someone wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 08:13 PM
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Did you consent to it?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 07:48 PM
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Start with having friends. Or maybe go back one step and start with being socially adapted.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 07:45 PM
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I just was at a 22 people party in a 1 bed rental apartment (55 m²) where the host worked from home. Great party!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 07:42 PM
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Wait, people are not throwing house parties anymore? Not even meeting for boardgames, or just talking over a glass of beer/wine? What are people doing with their friends then? Also, there have always been people who have no friends/do not get invited to parties. It's those people who struggle and they can't just throw a party.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 07:37 PM
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You can make up the rules for the relationship you are in. There are no predefined rulesets for sexual or non-sexual relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 06:06 PM
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And you can also do that with red pill, because red pill, in the end, is just mating science for bros. The Op is wrong about this.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 05:40 PM
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I think the first thing is, men don’t have to be attractive to the highest number of women possible. This drives comes from a competitive place but also one of exerting status - here is the problem though. Like anything, if you try to be the ‘most appealing’, the more you are trading yourself in for the most validation. In other words, your worldview becomes dependent on “how many people like me” No, being attractive to the most people does not automatically mean one gets dependent on how many p…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 04:53 PM
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It's stunning how nobody understands what emotional intelligence is.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 04:34 PM
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I believe promiscuity is mutually exclusive with the ability to pair bond, and therefore deepen romantic love. And i am telling you, your belief is not based on evidence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_of_romantic_love But it's fruitless to argue with someone who has probably forgotten what real intimacy was like I do not even have to argue from personal experience. I can argue from what science has found out about love and pair bonding. Let's assume i have forgotten what real intimacy is…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 04:28 PM
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Well, i have the lived experience of my long term girlfriend giving lots of fucks about me. I am the most important person in her life. She is going to extremes to show me what i mean to her. And regarding the women i have casual sex relationships with, we just give enough fucks about each other to satisfy our needs and have a good time. Giving more fucks would actually be a problem there. I care enough about them and they about me, so everyone feels good with being intimate.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 04:16 PM
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Don't you see that this is the same principle? Also, neither balding nor average height are seen as hideous freaks.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 04:02 PM
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i've seen women tell walking red flags that they are catches plenty of times. Red flag are subjective. when men struggle, they are told to do better. when women struggle, men are told to do better Not on here. We tell women every day to do better and it's their fault if they can't get a relationship. In real life, i also do see women telling each other that they are the problem. If you can't get women that meet your standards, you are trying to overshoot your mate value. Improve your mate value …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 12:04 PM
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Maybe not the government but what’s wrong with the idea of the media making guys who might have more “undesirable” traits be perceived as more attractive? Because that doesn't solve any problems. If everyone would be perceived as equally physically attractive, this trait would become irrelevant and another trait would take it's place to sort people into a hierarchy of desirability. Maybe the next thing is intelligence. Then you have the same issue again, just with different people being at the b…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 11:57 AM
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In my case, it leads to having a very desirable young girlfriend and lots of casual sex on the side. I just come out of a weekend of 2 days of having a threesome with 2 women. Result of competing for women. But if you don't want that, feel free to not compete and indulge in Esther Vilar bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 11:42 AM
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We have homogamy in the West. Equal mate value people married/are in committed relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 11:41 AM
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Men overrate themselves even more. That still leads to couples who are matched in mate value. People adjust who they accept as partners. 70% of women are in committed relationships currently. So no, they overrating themselves doesn't lead to not picking men in their league.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 11:38 AM
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If you brought something to the table, that fun, loving and sexy 40+yo men want, then you would have no issues finding such a man for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 11:31 AM
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Mate value equivalents. If you can't get the fun, loving and sexy man... i have news for you, regarding your own mate value.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 11:30 AM
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Most women below 25 prefer to be the fucktoy of men out of their league over having an healthy relationship with their looksmatch. Both options are extremely easy to obtain for these women. Most women below 25 are in committed relationships (pew study; GSS). Where is the evidence for the claims you make?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 11:26 AM
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I don't want an extremist or activist. No screening needed for that, as they will happily bring their ideologies and activism up. Everything around the center is fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 11:24 AM
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Well, good luck with that. I am doing very well, no luck required. I don't compete for any women. That explains the post. Self interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 11:22 AM
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So RPW is not about understanding human mating?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 11:17 AM
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Promiscuity is a mating strategy that fits for a specific personality. People who do not have that personality should not engage in promiscuity and they mostly don't. Promiscuity is great for those who have that personality. For me, promiscuity is great. It's idiotic to claim it is terrible for men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 11:15 AM
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Meanwhile I’ve observed the red pill puts a lot of shame towards female sexuality, That is not part of the red pill. Red pill doesn't judge, it doesn't want to change the status quo, it just observes and puts out models for human mating. Shaming sexuality is part of conservative/religious ideology and values.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 11:05 AM
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Women that meet my standard are rare and sought after, desirable, by many men, lots of them are also pretty desirable. So there is a strong competition for those women. Men fight this competition by improving their mate value and "chasing", courting, attacking other men, etc. You falsely assume that there are no women who meet your standards. You are just not competing for them. Maybe because your mate value is too low, or because your personality doesn't lend itself to active mating. Maybe it's…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 10:32 AM
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Did it stop people from cheating? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 10:26 AM
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?! the story contradicts your title. The cheaters are getting married, so infidelity does not affect the institution of marriage. I am cheater too and i am going to marry and i will keep on cheating. Cheating and marriage go hand in hand pretty well. It's you who can't deal with infidelity and thereby can't be married.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 10:25 AM
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Because the top 20% is a very broad range of people. It's literally every 5th guy. Tall (6'+), hot and rich (100k+) is about 0.1% of the population, 1 in 1000. There are fewer men with six pack abs than there are millionaires in the US. You don't need to be all of the attractive traits at once, to be top 20%. 20% of men are: at least 5' 7" tall not obese earning at least $50.000 per year aged 20-40 any race, any marital status
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 10:15 AM
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Settling is not: not being attracted to him. Settling is being moderately attracted to him. It's good enough. People don't want to be only "good enough". Very insecure and inexperienced men all into the trap of using the existance of settling, as an excuse to dive deep into their inscurities about not being good enough. They "know for sure" that they will only be settled for, that a woman could never find them thrilling, and hardly even "good enough". Then they add the talk about women monkeybra…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 07:53 AM
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Proven wrong by all the women who are or were in sub par relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 07:39 AM
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As long as you don't exepct that the generalizations by gender say anything about an individual of that gender, what is the problem?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 07:37 AM
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How does not chasing women help you get women that meet your standard?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 07:31 AM
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Absolutely. Disgusted by men by how they look.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 12:31 PM
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Overlap in diagnosis does not imply agreement in interpretation or remedy. Feminists might say women have more freedom and thus no longer tolerate bad relationships. Redpill types might say women are now hypergamous and disrespectful. That’s not a shared view — it’s opposite framing of the same outcome. The "value proposition" hasn’t vanished; it’s shifted. Education, emotional intelligence, stability, social status, and even domestic skills are now part of the equation. So yes, it’s no longer e…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 12:30 PM
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This is an immense double standard Only when YOU treat men and women as a monolith. When 10 out of 100 women say A. And 10 other women out of those 100 say B. And A and B would be a double standard, then "women" do not have a double standard. If you want to show there is a double standard, you need to show how the same people hold views A and B. Next, you would need to show that those people are representative of their group, or have a majority in their group. It's purely an outlook on the valid…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 11:58 AM
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It really doesn't matter what women think. Just as with the penis size debates. What counts is what men think. Do we think a guy is a loser for not being able to attract women? Yes we do. Do we determine intrasexual hierarchy positions partly by a man's ability to attract women? Yes we do. Don't make your value dependent on what women think. You should care about what men think. Because that informs who women pick. They go for the guy who is at the top of the male dominance hierarchy, determined…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 09:18 AM
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Obviously not, or how do you explain the 70% overweight/obese rate in the US? I don't think there is anyone who hasn't heard that obesity/overwheight is unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 09:13 AM
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Becaues that is what hurts those men.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 09:12 AM
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If you define hypergamy that way, everyone is hypergamous. Other than that, everyone tries to get the best partner possible, and what makes up a "best partner" differs individually but also between the sexes. People do not marry up or down when it comes to overall mate value. They marry their equals. Individual traits are more improtant to one sex than the other and are weighed differently by individuals. Why are the traits that men stereotypically desire not just as hypergamous as what women st…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 06:53 AM
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So what? You seem to forget that men make up half of the population and are disproportionally in seats of power. We do not care about the struggle of men. That is part of being men. How many times do we need to cite the studies about the empathy gap? You cannot change everything with activism. Men will always make up the majority of prison populations. Men will always die earlier. Men will always make up more of the people at the very top and at the very bottom. Men and women are different. Stop…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 06:41 AM
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You want to argue against the study with anecdotes and singular man hating feminists? That is not what average value are about. You realize that the study does not say that there are no feminist women who hate men? You understand averages?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 06:02 AM
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Wow.........you truly are a cold and calculating person aren't you? I am analytical and strategic, but i am also warm and loving. Understanding love as a biological state of the brain and body, does not make me not be madly in love with my girlfriend and be emotionally bonded with friends. Tell that to a parent holding their dying child in their arms. I am not cruel, but i would also not lie if asked. Truth > emotions, but there are limits to when i need to state the truth and when i shut up to …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 05:49 AM
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What world do you live in, where women know your body count?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 05:22 PM
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No, that is not good enough of a critique. Please, read the study and attack it on an ACTUAL issue, not on the name of the journal. How absurd, that you make a red pilled anti-feminist defend a study because your critique of it is even worse than feminist ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 04:29 PM
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What world are you living in? Western women love men and by extension masculinity. They are overwhelmingly in committed relationships with men who express that masculinity. I thought we had finally settled the debate: feminists do not hate men. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/03616843231202708
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 04:16 PM
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I am not angry about the current dating situation. Why would i? More freedom, more opportunities, more ways to connect, more ways to be a man/woman, more types of relationsships to have than marriage. Can't think of a time in history, where the dating situation was better. Even if i wasn't successful in mating, i am pretty sure that i wouldn't be angry at the rules that evolved. I wouldn't want to restrict people's freedom so i can culturally force someone to be with me, even though they don't w…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 01:10 PM
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Men in Europe consume the same content. Why do we not see the effect there?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 01:03 PM
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Listing your hobbies doesn't require you to understand anything about yourself. You would actually need to explain what that hobby says about yourself. From the OP: When many men are told to develop a sense of style or aesthetics, they don’t self discover and only lean on what’s popular. They don’t develop their strengths, they follow rule books. That is just you assuming men do not self discover when told to develop a sense of style. Artists follow rule books, because what looks good follows ru…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 06:07 PM
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Because i am confrontational by nature. I only let that out in anonymous online spaces though.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 05:30 PM
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Thanks for making the effort. You talked mostly about how you look though. That is easily observable, doesn't require introspection or "knowing who you are", and also doesn't offer anything new to a potential dating candidate, as they can already see you when talking to you. If we then also strike out your hobbies (music, literature, concerts, basketball), which is exactly what you criticized in the OP about how other men describe themselves ("what they do"), not much is left about who you are. …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 05:24 PM
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Not much of a discussion, if you just say thank you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 05:00 PM
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No, but my 2 best female friends are midwives and i could get to more experience how it is to give birth in a long talkative night with those two, than the average woman who actually gave birth has. Because, you might have guessed it, every woman is different and every birth experience is different. Being a woman gives you a sample size of 1, for having your own birthing experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 04:58 PM
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I’ve been on a lot of dates and never once had a girl compliment me for making her feel safe. I do get a lot of positive feedback and compliments for making women feel safe.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 04:57 PM
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<image> Reminds me of this graph
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 04:54 PM
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I make people feel extremely physically and emotionally safe. I don't know exactly how i do it, but i get told that by everyone, even other men that i have just met. A big portion of how i make people feel comes from looking trustworthy and safe, and from being non-judgemental, calm, actively listening, non-needy, resting in myself and confident. People say i have an aura that is inviting and makes me seem trustworthy. Others say it's in my eyes. Overall, women and men trust me and open up emoti…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 04:52 PM
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There are more differences between the two of us, than between men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 04:36 PM
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You also don't seem to understand that i am agreeing with you, that men and women are different on average and not at all the same. You talked about understanding experiences of the other sex, though. All men have different issues and experiences. Your experience as a man might have nothing to do with my experience as a man and you wouldn't understand how i feel being a man. My girlfriend understands my life as a man better than you do. I could explain my experience as a man to you and a woman i…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 03:48 PM
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If you understand who you are, can you please make a showcase of yourself, so the men you are addressing, can see and learn how the answer to the question "who are you?" can look like. How you describe yourself, and what you "bring to the table", outside of education, looks, money, status, etc. I am on your side. I just think that most men have never seen or heard someone really lay out who they think they are, in a way that really matters for dating/mating. Can you be the role model, or do you …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 03:38 PM
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That’s not what the statistics determine The statistics say nothing about an individual case, which you talked about. You don't seem to understand what it means that intra-sexual differences are larger than inter-sexual differences. Let's use body height, maybe you can understand with that example, where intra-sex variation (height difference between shortest and tallest man; where the red line touches the x-axis.) is larger than inter-sex variation (height differences between mean male and mean…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 03:14 PM
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This depends entirely on the individuals involved and not on their sex. My gf doesn't have any street harassment experience for example. You, as a black immigrant might have some. I might have a better understanding of how it is to be harassed on the streets, as i read and exchange a lot about this topic, and have more than a personal perspective on it. There goes a lot into an individual experience. People often assume, that if a group of people all experienced "street harassment", that everyon…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 02:57 PM
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What do you understand about my experience as a man? Nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 02:29 PM
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There is more intra-sexual variation than there is inter-sexual variation. It's one of the great myths of our time, that sharing a label somehow makes people WAY more similar than they really are. One man is more different than a random other man, than this man is to a woman who is very close in experience to the man. In your marriage example, the woman who is in deep exchange with a reflected and self-conscious man, knows and understands more about this man's experience as a man, than any rando…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 02:27 PM
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If i have any advice, then DO NOT TRUST YOUR ASSESSMENT OF HOW TRUSTWORTHY AND SAFE SOMEONE IS. Also, do not tell men what they can change so they no longer give you signals of being unsafe. You are literally helping the predator catch its prey.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 01:14 PM
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You make a lot of claims with no sources. Where do you get your ideas from? Personal anecdotes?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 08:33 AM
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You are describing the experience of a man who tries to date someone who is higher up in mate value as himself. The Manhattan-10 doesn't require lots of courtship, from a man who is on her mate value level. This courtship (spending, planning, emotional labor, grateful for being in her presence, etc.) is only required if you want to be with someone where you make up for the mate value discrepancy by this kind of behavior. If you only get teh woman interested in you because you jump through hoops,…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 07:55 AM
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I have found someone to settle down with, who allows me to follow my unrestrainable drive to fuck beautiful women. We worked on the "no drama" part and got to a point where the drama is low enough so i could take it for the rest of my life. So what am i looking for currently? Engagement rings and hot young girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 07:43 AM
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Different race? No Different religion? No Smokes? Yes Goes to church every Sunday? No Asexual? No Lives 1000 miles away? No Alcoholic? No Does OnlyFans? Yes Has two kids? No Really quiet? No Really talkative? Yes Waiting until marriage for sex? No Had 50+ sexual partners? Yes Taller than you? No Only wants to be a stay-at-home mom? No Gets drunk and hungover weekly? No Lives with her parents? No In a sorority? Yes Refuses to have kids? Yes Dislikes video games? Yes In the military? No 6 ft 3? No…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 07:36 AM
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Uses cocaine at least once a month? - Sure, but switch it to 3MMC or 4MMC, cocaine is just stupid and expensive Doesn't like drinking alcohol? - Sure, but should be open to share a bottle of wine from time to time. Doesn't like doing physical activity? - Nope, physical activity is important for her body and our relationship Voted for Donald Trump? - Only, if she just likes to see the world burn. Voted for Kamala Harris? - Only, if she just likes to see the world burn. Openly dislikes religion? -…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 07:32 AM
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What determines how good of a person you are? If you don't define that, we can go around all day and say "x group is not worse than y group". Nobody suggests that being a virgin means you are a criminal or have bad morals. It's about your value on the mating market, which is how desirable you are to other people as a partner. I think that if nobody wants you as a partner, that is a pretty good proxy for you not being a good person. People on all levels of the looks spectrum have partners. That i…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 07:18 AM
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Who are you, KayRay1994?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 07:08 AM
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No, identifying as non-binary requires to accept that gender is a social construct. If i do not subscribe to that ideology, i can only be a man. There is only biology to guide my identification.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 07:05 AM
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You have never held someone dying in your arms, This is not an argument for the existence of souls. Your whole reply is built the same way. Because I'm a holistic wellness coach/consultant that specializes in this. And i am a PhD research scientist in biology. Love is biology, not wellness. Love evolved for reproductive/parental investment/child rearing reasons. Everything about love is measurable in the brain and body. There is no room for "souls" and "holistic" charlatanery and making up thing…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 06:49 AM
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Why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 06:43 PM
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I am not progressive enough that this is a social construct that i can choose
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 06:22 PM
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So in conclusion, regarding casual sex, women aren’t the problem, No, they really are. It's impossible that evey man, regardless of how good he looks or how confident he is, is going to have a body count of 50+. Women just don't offer that much in casual sex. They are not that interested in casual sex. Look at gay men and their sex lives. That's what you would see in straight men, if women weren't the problem. Rest of the analysis is spot on.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 06:14 PM
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The point of this post was to warn people who are constantly misled by people who are essentially in a temporary cognitively biased phase of their relationship that society calls “being in love” or the “honeymoon period”. So, a truism. Thanks for nothing. This works both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 04:13 PM
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That's the point, it's not disproving those people's actual arguments, it's disproving a strawman. Very few people genuinely believe that you can't find a partner at all if you have some common negative trait. What they actually believe is that it's much more difficult and not worth the effort, and that you have to get lucky pretty much. You from anohter thread: Yes, there are genuinely people who will likely never get laid or find love because of how they look, and this is what incel originally…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 03:28 PM
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There’s no point in mentioning it at all. Of course there is a point, because lots of people are not aware of their biases. Your “advice” to other people that there’s no “one size fits all advice” is also just an empty truism itself. How is it a trueism, when most people here look for the one-size fits all advice? People here strive for "what is the best way to...." while not recognizing that it's different for every person, because we all have different mating strategies. The awareness of this …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 02:02 PM
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Just saying “everyone is biased” is a fallacy, obviously people are biased to different extents. That doesn't contradict that everyone is biased. Are you about logic or are you about painting the world like it suits you? Being biased is a 0 or 1 statement and you try to "win" the argument by making it a fuzzy statement. Do you expect desperate people looking for dating advice, who already likely have flaws and insecurities weighing on their mental state, to know all of that? I do not expect anyo…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 11:51 AM
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So from whom should one take advice? People who are not in love still fall prone to biases and people who hear advice have their own biases. We regularly have the issue here, that people get facts thrown at them, but their own biases and ideologies just reject those facts. The best dating advice in the world will be ignored because people are "just plain irrational". You can argue, that anyone who isn't you, giving you advice, will have non-fitting advice, because of their special circumstances …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 08:01 AM
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"Love-bombing is common in narcissistic and emotionally manipulative dynamics and often serves to rapidly establish control and emotional dominance. It is particularly dangerous because it mimics the behaviors of genuine affection, just at a distorted intensity and timing." It's not the specific action, behavior, words, it's the context, the timing and the intensity (with regards to how far along the relationship/bonding is already). "you are my soulmate. I can see a future with you!" on the sec…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 07:48 AM
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Because feminism comes in waves, and believing in equality is early waves feminism. Current wave feminism is not what a lot of people stand behind.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 05:36 PM
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But how about we at least treat OP as if it really was love bombing? Definitely true, that some people call regular signs of being in love as love bombing, just as everyone is a narcissist, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 05:34 PM
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All cases of love-bombing are red flags and should be avoided.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 05:26 PM
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being in love and having limerance does not lead you to love bomb.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 05:25 PM
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If you do not notice that she is interested in you as well: she is not. And you should not ask her on a date.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 08:23 AM
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No, that is not what social cohesion means. Social cohesion refers to the degree of connectedness, solidarity, and mutual trust among members of a society or group. A highly cohesive society is one in which individuals: Feel a sense of belonging and identification with the group or nation Trust each other and institutions Cooperate and engage in shared activities and civic life Respect social norms and legal systems Tolerate diversity and resolve conflicts without violence It is often discussed …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 08:12 AM
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Of course not. Marriage is a cultural form of a relationship contract.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 08:07 AM
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No, they are not. I am a manipulator and i don't even love-bomb. Love-bombing is mostly done by lower relative mate value people. high mate value individuals don't need to love-bomb; their intrinsic value is sufficient. Love-bombing aligns with short-term mating strategies disguised as long-term interest, or insecure long-term strategies: Short-term strategic use: Used to rapidly create emotional dependency in a partner, facilitating sex or control, then withdrawing affection (linked to “game” o…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 07:56 AM
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Right, when you just use one metric (a house) to measure prosperity... sure. Children in Western countries today attain higher levels of formal education than their parents did. This trend is a central aspect of educational expansion and intergenerational upward mobility that has continued throughout the 20th and early 21st centuries. The long-term trend in Western countries since the 1990s is a clear decline in most traditional crimes (theft, burglary, physical violence), with a rise in cybercr…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 03:00 PM
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Evolution showed that it's worth it- That's why we still do it and are not sexually monogamous.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 02:52 PM
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They don't bother to see that the statistics prove otherwise. literally no co-relation that lonely man=bad men. But somehow you cannot give us these statistics? What is there to debate here? You just make up a claim. You are wrong. lonely men = bad men. The statistics prove it. See how stupid that is?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 02:51 PM
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increasing evolutionary fitness. What do you think we are talking about here regarding "logical"?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 02:44 PM
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Nope. Parental investment is more important. Even a poor man's 100% focus is better than a rich man's 50% or 33% focus. Also, resources are limited. Try to feed the 10 children of one woman. Men who can support several women are incredibly rare in evolutionary times.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 02:43 PM
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No, it's not. If you think it is, your mating strategy is probably also that of love-bombing. It's not the default strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 02:41 PM
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SOCIAL MONOGAMY!!!!! Is your social cohesion. Are you not reading what i write?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 02:40 PM
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And are we more prosperous currently than when marriage for life was the norm? The answer is no. Are children growing into better, less criminal and more educated adults? By every metric, the new system is worse. The answer is yes to both. Are you dreaming up your statistics? Maybe read some Pinker, or show me your metrics.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 02:36 PM
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Again, what is not logical about having secret sex on the side in a socially monogamous relationship? What are you optimizing for?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 02:35 PM
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That is not my take, that is the consensus of evolutionary biologists. You can read about that i nevery book on that matter. Explain mate guarding to me, if we are a sexuallly monogmous species
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 11:43 AM
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Our society is serially social monogamous. Basically nobody has only one partner for life. Most people have several short to long term relationships, and having sex with others, outside those relationships is also a widespread behavior. People do that even when the consequence, if uncovered, is a ruined life, death or anything else equally severe. Why do you think there is mate guarding, if we have not evolved to have sex with other people? If we would never have sex outside of our socially mono…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 11:41 AM
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Sure, i am open to the argument why they are wrong. Just saying "that's a false take" is not going to help you sound like you know anything about the topic and just want to live in a world where what you feel about mating can stay true and is not challenged by reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 11:39 AM
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Can you prove they are false? All of evolutionary biology agrees. I am not making those statements up. I take them from books about evolutionary biology and human mating. It's literally from a section called "Monogamy and jealousy".
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 11:31 AM
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That is why we have social monogamy...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 11:15 AM
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It would really help the debate if you laid out your logical reasoning. A better system than monogamy, is serial social monogamy combined with sexual non-monogamy. It allows for both: parental investment and getting better genes/spreading seed. And that is exactly what evolved.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 10:43 AM
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You should first start out with understanding why love bombing exists. Then you should realize that the responsibility to not engage with people who love bomb is on you. You cannot change that some people love bomb. It's their mating strategy. You can only train yourself to intervene rationally, be aware of what happens, and opt out of it, when you are being love bombed. Love bombing is a high-intensity bonding tactic used to manipulate mating decisions, gain sexual access, or establish emotiona…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 09:39 AM
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What exactly are your metrics to conclude that older men had it easier? Online dating is an additional tool that makes dating easier, especially for men who don't go out a lot, don't have a large social circle, are introverted, etc. Social media has become an easy way to connect with new people, that older men could have only dreamt of. The compounding impact of feminism? Lead to women paying for my drinks, not expecting me to fill a traditional male role in anything. That the majority of young …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 06:04 AM
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I made a good male friend when he was 18 and i was 39. Now 20/41 and still very good friends. It's not a requirement to be emotionally mature or in the same lifes tages.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 05:32 PM
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It's not your job to know if a woman looks for a friend, a lover, or a one-off nice interaction. It's not your job to avoid "upsetting" a woman by telling her you are into her, when she is not into you. Your interests matter, too! This scenario is hardly one that is about creepiness. You are not a creep for having a good conversation and then expressing interest. You are way too concerned about "upsetting" women for being desired by you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 05:15 PM
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Women do date the not tall, not hot men in college.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 04:46 PM
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<image> Never go by what "it feels like". We have stats.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 04:28 PM
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i specified i am not forcing anyone by saying i never had problems attracting women, and i am not attracting them with money
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 04:20 PM
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Yeah, that is friend-zoning yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 04:18 PM
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There is no " you need to be this tall to ride" requirement. Your mate value is a combination of lots of qualities and traits. Height is just one factor in that mate value. No need to increase height, when you can increase other things
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 04:17 PM
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I do not criticize women for wanting a tall partner. Also, i am not tall and never had issues with attracting women. Also not paying anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 07:48 AM
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Great way to not answer my comment and dish out some meaingless attacks.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 07:45 AM
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Why are you active in this sub then? WOuldn''t it be easier to let women go if you did not frequent subs like this?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 07:43 AM
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You are wrong. 5-6 women give 5-6 men a chance. But if your only experience is online dating apps, i can see why you are delusional
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 07:37 AM
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No, it's evolution. If high status wouldn't increase evolutionary fitness, we wouldn't see that behavior now.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 07:35 AM
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So you friendzoned yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 07:26 AM
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You seem to have friend-zone type relationships and not real friendships.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 07:25 AM
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Correlation is not causation. Things that correlate with being an invetor also correlate with being less attractive for relationships, or having no interest/time for relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 01:46 PM
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Why does it make you giggle? My gf is 13 years younger, my latest sex partners are 15-23 years younger, i had a phase of polyamory (multiple committed girlfriends) and currently have a long-term affair, a long-term fuckbuddy and a long-term girlfriend, and women for ONS on top of that. Those are not my unreasonable standards, i just described my life/my person.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 01:22 PM
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That is not about clear skin. A scar doesn't make the skin not clear. Clear skin is relevant for health reasons, a universal marker of beauty. The scar you reference, has nothing to do with beauty, but with status and character. From the early 19th to early 20th centuries, among upper-class and university-educated men in Prussia and wider German-speaking Europe, it was indeed prestigious to have facial scars acquired in academic fencing duels known as Mensur. These scars were called "Schmiss" an…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 12:54 PM
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If something is not realistic, then it is unreasonable. Thank you. It's your right to have unreasonable standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 12:28 PM
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No! How can you be redpilled and write such nonsense? Being equal mate value doesn't require having the same trait expressions. Different traits aren't even weighed the same, regarding what they contribute to mate value, between men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 12:27 PM
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What is considered a "signal of wealth" is incredibly cultural though, and can be conditioned into a population Sure, because different environments lead to wealth being visible in another way. Still not about beauty, but about wealth, and still all the culturally different expressions of wealth being about the same thing: wealth. Again, show me a culture where old women are found more desirable than young women for sex and romantic relationships by men. Show me the large differences in how much…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 12:17 PM
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Women do say the same
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 12:12 PM
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But you are red pilled, which means you know about mate value and increasing it. You know that you can get a woman, if you improve your mate value to a point ,where it's equal to that of the demographic of women you are interested in. So by giving up on women, you give up on self improvement. Why? Is it not worth it for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 12:10 PM
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Would you allow him to have sex with other women while married to you? Maybe that is the least you can do for him when he commits his life to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 10:39 AM
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So you gave up on self-improvement?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 10:21 AM
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Or maybe it was one craftsman with a fetish for obesity and he created material to masturbate to.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 10:20 AM
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People liking high status mates is evolution.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 10:19 AM
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How are you different?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 10:17 AM
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The main cause is that both those things, in those countries, signal wealth. So it's not related to beauty, but to attractive traits like being wealthy, which is universally attractive. If you showed how being poor was more desirable in some cultures, you would have a point. Or if you showed how geriatric women are preferred over women in their 20s. How asymmetrical faces are preferrred over symmetrical ones. Where men at the bottom of hierarchies are preferred over those at the top, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 10:16 AM
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We should be more honest and upfront about these preferences. Why? What good would that do and what harm would that do? I mean, we know the truth, we just prefer to not live in that truth. The rest is about morals and virtue signalling
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 10:13 AM
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You are just using words that mean nothing and have no connection to the actual human body and brain, to refute actual, measurable, locateable systems that make up what we experience as love. There are no souls. There is no place where we feel, other than the brain, the brain IS the organ that makes decisions. Love is staying. Bulllshit. People stay for whatever reasons. You are just someone with zero info on what love is, making up shit that you want love to be. But love is what we build, No, i…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 08:31 AM
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What do you MEAN by "i won't find much success" with my (science's) view of love? I does not affec if or with whom i fall in love. No woman ever said: i don't want to be with you, because your mechanical view of love makes you unattractive for me. I am that analytical and mechanical, rational, non-idealistic, non-romantic and there are plenty of women who are very much attracted to that and who fall in love with me. What kind of receipts are you talking about? My gf is my dream type, a type i ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 08:20 AM
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almost all average guys have the same experience, unless they lower their standards to the point where they date obese and/or mentally unstable women Obese and/or mentally unstable women ARE the mate value match of a lot of those "average guys" who can't seem to find a mate. They are delusional about their own mate value.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 07:56 AM
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Depends on how you distribute the percentiles onto the rating scale. But why would you think the top 30% (6.5-10?) should consider you as a partner, when they have all the people in their desirability range/mate value range, as potential partners?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 07:49 AM
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Definitive claim : Most men mostly have overwhelmingly negative experiences whilst dating and the seemingly paranoid and cynical nature of the red pill is simply a reflection of reality. Definitive answer: We have data on that. It's the opposite. Only 8% of men have an overwhelmingly negative experience in online dating. And i think nobody disputes, that real life dating is even better, concerning fewer negative experiences. <image> Speculative answer: it's you, with your personality and psyche,…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 07:47 AM
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An unreasonable standard is one you cannot attract to you as a long term partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 07:30 AM
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What IS going to help? When i advise to seek therapy and get friends, learn social skills or adjust standards, this is faced with harsh rejections as well. So, what really helps and what do those people really want to hear?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 07:51 PM
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You won't find much success trying to distill love down to something cold and robotic like that. WHat do you mean with finding much success? I am in a loving long term relationship. it's the best description of what love is that i have found and it helps to understand how people are in love. It's the best way understand love. It's not a fairytale, it's not some delusion, it's not suffering from expectations. Understanding love in this way doesn't take away from the feeling. People base life deci…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 07:18 PM
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I think you are the MVP of this sub. Not a single bad comment. If anyone's take can be "trusted", it's usually yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 06:59 PM
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man: "Do women like older men?" women: "nonsense, we like guys our own age, average age gap is 2 years max" man: "But how are most young men single while most young women are not?" also women: "it is because young women are in relationships with older men" This is not a contradiction. First, the question is about "women" and "average age gap of 2 years" over all age brackets. Next is about YOUNG women, where we don't know about the average age gap (afaik). Then you have the effect of most commit…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 06:55 PM
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You cannot be not socialized when living in a close nit group of relatives, friends, neighbors, who need each other to survive and strive. What do you know about hierarchies in ancestral hunter gatherer societies?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 09:35 AM
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it’s the bio-feedback loop triggered after love is acted upon. It’s how the body responds to what the heart has already chosen. Please argue in terms that mean something. The heart cannot choose anything. If love were truly transactional, it would disappear the moment value isn’t returned. No, that is an oversimplified view. A lake also isn't a dry barren the moment you cut off water streams feeding it. A bond is a bond, not a loose handshake. It takes time to erode. But ask anyone who’s stayed …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 09:07 AM
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Love is a biologically driven motivational system rooted in the brain's reward circuitry, primarily involving dopamine, evolved to focus mating energy on a specific partner for reproduction and long-term attachment. To form and maintain a stable pair bond that facilitates cooperative breeding, ensures bi-parental care of offspring, and thereby increases the chances of reproductive success and gene survival. From a neurobiological and evolutionary standpoint, love is fundamentally transactional a…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 07:18 PM
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How about you read the study and come back with the methods part where they explain what very lonely means?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 06:14 PM
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I gave two explanations, one for the other man knowing, and one for him not knowing. The knowing man just requires a slightly different situation for him to take care of another man's child. Both situations lead to: men having an evolutionary benefit to fuck women who are not their partners. Same goes for women. That's why sexual monogamy is not natural in humans. You can leave the discussion at any point if you think you cannot bring any arguments. It's impossible to win this argument for you. …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 06:00 PM
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Just train your confidence muscle then
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 05:53 PM
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I have been posting this for months in every male loneliness thread i see. Never interested anyone. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 05:47 PM
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ah i might have misread/misunderstood. Not used to the terms college and graduate school. It's all university here.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 05:39 PM
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I could swear i read in your profile that you graduated at 27/28
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 05:35 PM
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<image> about 30% of men and women at age 21 are virgins.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 05:29 PM
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Because there is a biological pull towards overeating. And you need to use your rational mind to go against that. This requires a sort of battle between what your brain/body wants you to do. Sometimes you lose that battle. In case of overeating, most people lose that battle most of the time. Now, why would cheating and lieing, two aspects also tied in with survival/procreating be any different? WHy do you expect that we always win that fight?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 04:51 PM
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No, but you also don't have to be obese, you could just CHOOSE by FREE WILL to not eat so many calories. Yet, most people do overeat despite not wanting to be overweight/obese. Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 04:39 PM
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That is not what this exchange was about.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 04:37 PM
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There is a tendency among men to invest in their own offspring because doing so increases evolutionary fitness. We also know that men invest more into their children when the paternity certainty is high which is evolutionary biology 101.. Absolutely. That does not contradict anything i said. Unless you falsely assumed that the men who raise another man's child KNOW about it. Even then, there are men who don't have the mate value to get a woman who doesn't have a child from another man, and for t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 04:36 PM
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I have had sex on the first date with most women who said they are demisexual. Demisexuality is self-reported and has no scientific basis. Demisexual men are just exploiting buzz words and the need of women to be seen as persons and not just sex objects. It's the oldest trick in the book to look like you have no foreground sexual interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 12:06 PM
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They didn’t truly know who they were You cannot know who you are going to be in 10 years time. That is the point of growing, changing, developing. they knowingly entered a relationship that was never going to fulfill The relationship was fulfilling until they reached a point where they wanted other things from a relationship/person, or the person they were with changed into something that is no longer fulfilling. process of elimination versus exploring who they are positively The process of expl…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 11:16 AM
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Reduced sexual frequency or satisfaction over time: Longitudinal studies suggest married couples often report a sharper decline in sexual frequency and satisfaction than unmarried long-term couples ([Klusmann, 2006]()).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 10:12 AM
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You’re driven by impulse, not science. You even cherry pick evolutionary psychology to justify it. Please, show me the science that contradicts me. You say past sexual behavior doesn’t matter only current behavior. No i didn't. I said that it's not only my past sexual behavior but also my current sexual behavior to have partners next to my girlfriend. She doesn't need to go by my past behavior, she knows i am not a monogamous man. I do not downplay the studies that show increased infidelity chan…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 08:16 AM
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"Only lawyers are allowed to give legal advice." My husband never had an education in law and he 100% doesn't give legal advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 08:04 AM
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And the guy you married was supposed to be a drunken ONS, by your own words. So you didn't even think you would be not having sex with others. Also, your life is not over yet. You are hardly monogamous by nature
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 07:27 AM
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btw, ancestral males wre not this fantasized version you claim they were. They were unruley and uncontrolled due to lack of enforced socialization) How was socialization not enforced?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 07:20 AM
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He is having religious-conservative values around family and sex, religion, community etc. that are not supported by science. For example: "I don't think there's any such thing as a casual sexual relationship. I don't believe that. I've never seen any evidence that that's the case." - Peterson. Meanwhile, i am here, having casual sex. Doesn't get more casual than that, meanwhile having a deep loving romantic relationship. There is science on sociosexuality that Peterson seems to willfully be bli…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 07:16 AM
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It's also an evolutionary fitness benefit for a man to murder males that compete with him. No, that is too simplistic. Just as with rape, there are conseuquences that are not worth it, unless you band together with other males and kill the males of the tribe next to you, while making pretty sure you don't die yourself in the process. Which happened.. and still happens. You are justifying your actions by using biology as an excuse. No, i use biology as an explanation for what humans have always d…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 07:01 AM
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Imagine sex-reversed Afghanistan, but the women think they have finally won, by doing all the work, being in all positions of power and responsibility, and having uneducated men sitting at home, brewing tea and teaching children sexist views, while hiding their overweight dad bods under burkas.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 09:50 PM
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By that logic, when men are prompted with the new laws against abortions, a lot of men respond with "so? why do I care? Keep on living without getting laid" You didn't realize that with every pregnancy there is also a man being affected who likely wants that the woman is able to abort, or the inerest for that option is higher than for the option to not be there. Only men who don't have casual sex are against abortions.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 09:39 PM
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Well how come you guys ignore science all the time then? Red pillers are not a monolith. I do not ignore science. Please, bring all the science you have on anything you think is a controversial topic with red pill and i will tell you what i think of it and either bring science myself to attack it or agree with you. You are even bragging about your body count while being aware of that study that the best predictor of infidelity is past sexual history. This includes high n men. I am not bragging, …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 09:28 PM
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But, my entire point is that grown adult men and women should be capable of self improvement because they have the desire to be the best version of themselves Yes, they are capable of, but they don't, on average. People take each other for granted and stop doing the things that require effort or overcoming hurdles. THis might sound weird for people with an innate love to self-improve and grow, but that is what, to my knowledge, is the average result of being in a long term romantic committed rel…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 09:12 PM
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Ideology is never rational. One main problem of the current red pill sphere is, that it is overtaken by ideologists, who preach gospel, rather than being open for new contradicting data to change their views. It's set in stone and not adapting to new information. Because it not longer tries to find out about the truth. It claims it knows the truth and the evidence for that has to be manufactored or just claimed without any supporting data.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 08:42 PM
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i am not bothered, i am pointing out that her rebuttal to the commenter above does fail the point and doesn't work as a counter. I have no stake in anything of that. Could be reversed sexes. I am here for the argument, not the content or the people
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 08:11 PM
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You can ask anything, especially at the start of the relationship when both are in trial mode. It's also, from what i read, not brought up as a request but with a lot of manipulation and pressure, attacking character, morals, value, etc. all in an attempt to make someone drop their interests and value and adopt others. I don't try to change people. Personal freedom is one of my highest values. I require that for me but also require it from me to give that to others. I don't date people who make …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 08:09 PM
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It's ultimately acting in self interest to be altruistic. It evolved because it provides a benefit for the individual and their evolutionary fitness. Being selfish is not a bad thing. It can even lead to the increased wellbeing of others.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 07:49 PM
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What does redpill mean to YOU? Knowing and understanding the real reasons and mechanics that guide human mate choice/mating and the accompanying dynamics of the sexes, both intra- and inter-sexuallly. This is in contrast to a state of just going by what seems plausible from anecdotal observations or even less. It's the difference between doing astronomy and telling each other stories about how a horse-pulled chariot carries the sun from one end of the firmament to the other each day, which is th…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 07:43 PM
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HOW CAN AN OPINION BE WRONG!? Is this rage bait?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 06:55 PM
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The problem rather comes from men being attracted to women who dress this way and go to raves and clubs, but then expect the woman to stop doing that when they are with that man. I don't think the women know in advance, that they boyfriends to be will want to restrict them this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 06:53 PM
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Guys should be free to tell what's not comfortable to them and should know their boundaries for their relationship. They are free to tell what's not comfortable with them, and women are free to behave and wear whatever they want. The consequences for the relationship will have to be dealt with. What we do is not say : "you cannot be insecure or misogynistic!" it's "you are insecure and misogynistic!" and because social norms changed, and it is now no longer fine to restrict clothing style and wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 06:50 PM
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No, i am someone concerned with pointing out who is right and wrong in an argument. The commenter above is likely right that the gym bros also don't like you. It's JUST about this comment and your attack of it. It's a fucking poor comment because it also doesn't change your stance on them. But that is not the point. The point is that you tried to attack the comment with something that is no a valid attack, because it's you from the past vs you from today. I have no stake in any of the takes. I a…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 06:43 PM
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Okay....? How does that have to do with the comment string we have here? gym bros are not my type something tells me you are also not their type then they should stop hitting on me, like they did when i was .. 16 or something yeah but now you are not 16 anymore and the original commenter is likely right that you are likely not their type anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 06:18 PM
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Yeah, but now you are a 39yo married woman who probably hasn't visited a gym and talked to a gym bro in years.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 05:37 PM
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Ask me to be more nuanced when you want that. I asked you, you need to actually show what the effect size is.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 05:06 PM
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Also, if you wouldn't, your girlfriend would fall in love and leave you for the guy who did self improvement and fitness while you didn't, unless she was bound to stay with you out of loyalty. Which is OPs point.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 04:55 PM
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Look at the statistics. People in relationships become fat. Singles stay more attractive. Not being attracted to each other anymore results in all kinds of relationship issues, starting from sex and ending in resentment
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 04:52 PM
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Now you can say that men should keep in shape and top of their game regardless. That's fine but men dont have incentive to do so if their reward is an aging wife. Wife also doesn't have enough motivation to work on herself if she knows that her husband is not going anywhere. If men are allowed to cheat and replace their wives with better women, then it's better for everyone. Men will put in the work to remain attractive and wives would put in the work so that husband doesn't jump ship. Exactly, …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 04:52 PM
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Can you be more nuanced? What are the percentages? It's certainly not 100% to 0%.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 04:35 PM
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Men, by nature and survival, often become emotional strategists. Because men and women are different, have different roles, they evolved different strategies that are best suited for the roles they fill. Female survival strategies in ancestral environments did favor greater emotional intelligence, especially: Sensitivity to infant cues (necessary for child survival). Ability to form and maintain social bonds (kin networks, coalition-building). Skill in empathizing and reading social context, inc…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 04:17 PM
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If you want to understand anything at all about gender and culture in 2025, imo, this is the entire story. WHAT? What does that have to do with gender and culture in 2025? Until men accept that we’re not entitled to a healer and that we are simply responsible for our own lives, individually, nothing will get better for anybody. WHAT? Men do not want a healer. Dead men do not want anything. It's lonely old women who would want to have men around. Men die earlier on average, anyways, regardless of…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 03:55 PM
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Yeah but nobody gets cancelled for posting a fringe take from 4chan for shits and giggles
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 03:22 PM
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That is just your algorithm feeding YOU personally the things that TRIGGER your engagement and your emotional response. I
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 02:52 PM
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great example.. an anonymous, temporary image board at the fringes of society... being used as proof that men can say what they want (without fear of being hunted down/cancelled/threatened and atttacked).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 02:49 PM
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People do what gets them viewers, clicks, subscriptions, algorithm points, engagement, money. hoe_math planned out his social media career to make big bank and then retire. You just got him another couple dozen of subscribers. It works. His main content has lots of really good points that are pretty unique and explained in a way that can reach mass audiences. He also has some weird views about societal collapse in the near future, a very value based agenda and an ideological imprint on the other…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 02:44 PM
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What you want your fiance to be is irrelevant for if it's a masculine or feminine trait. Men can be feminine, women can be masculine, most are a mix of traits. It's also relevant to what level those triats are expressed. Competence being a male trait doesnt mean all women are incompetent.... really talk with chatgpt about this issue to get a baseline understanding of gendered traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 01:37 PM
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Type that into chat gpt
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 01:36 PM
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They overwhelmingly like emotionally available and emotional intelligent men who don't trauma dump on them or treat them as their therapist, or pillow to cry into.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 01:28 PM
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I like looking at all possibilities, but i think we are making this overly complicated. The data is meh enough already, so whatever issues the study has in addition only further blurs the signal. Then we have the issue of stated vs revealed preferences and cultural impacts on what men and women think they require in a partner. psychological issues that make us not want to be "below average", or date people below average, etc. So, i think what is reasonable to take away from the study, is that wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 07:11 PM
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But it's not me who doesn't understand that not every single woman is the same way regarding a trait, it's the sexless, lonely, men here who have views like that and point of conflicts or don't believe women, because that is in conflict with "women are this way". A lot of the statements the men here make about women are not about averages or the majority. They are "felt" truths about "all women". All the threads about "how can women say this and then other women also say the opposite" hint at pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 06:45 PM
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https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1467-6494.1990.tb00909.x There is no definition if steady dating or marriage include having sex, but i think we can assume that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 06:37 PM
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It's only you who has this fear of being outcompeted by other men. That she doesn't really desire you as much as other men. You should really seek to address your issues and not use reddit as some sort of confirmation bias producing tool. All your posts are about the same underlying issues you have with yourself. We are not your therapists and we also do not want to support your delusions. We all get the best partners we can get. When you are someones partner, the chances you are replaced by som…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 06:27 PM
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However, in social perception and cultural stereotypes, competence is strongly associated with masculinity. Agency vs. Communion Model (Bakan, 1966): "Agency" (assertiveness, confidence, task-orientation) is culturally coded as masculine. "Communion" (warmth, empathy, relationship-orientation) is coded as feminine. Competence is embedded in the "agentic" cluster, hence perceived as masculine. Stereotype Content Model (Fiske et al., 2002): Men are stereotyped as competent but cold; women as warm …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 06:20 PM
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But these men are not dominant because men AREN’T naturally dominant and the women around them AREN’T submissive because women aren’t actually naturally submissive. Do you have any evidence for that?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 06:17 PM
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I'm confused with modern day men constantly saying that independent women or that women being capable of doing literally anything similar to men is somehow masculine? Independence is a masculine trait. Doing things that men typically do, and women don't, is.... masculine. Like this doesn't make sense, you ask what women bring to table and when they actually do, all the sudden you are viewed as to masculine for a relationship, huh? What makes you think that people need to like what you bring to t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 06:16 PM
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No, because this is a statement about differneces of group means, not about every single individual of a group. There are men who show more social cohesion than some women. I thought that is clear to anyone asking about the science behind social cohesion and sex differences.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 05:44 PM
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Yes, on average, there is hardly any difference in the atttractiveness requirements for different commitment levels of relationships, when sex is involved. A slight trend of men having lower requirements when it's just sex, and women having higher requirements when it's just sex, and a slight general higher importance of physical attractiveness for men, than for women, in a potential partner. But what is important: differences are tiny. As always with percentile stuff, people have no idea about …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 05:39 PM
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This sub prompted me to read and research about a lot of topics that helped me get a better model of reality and about myself, as well as the competition, and my target demographic regarding casual sex. Better models/understanding lead to better dating/romance outcomes, as i am in a position to manipulate them towards that goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 05:33 PM
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I question everything. At the end of that questioning, some things will move into my views about reality, and others will get rejected. Scientific evidence is the main decision maker in this process. For social cohesion, the data is pretty clear, that women show a higher degree. What was your point in asking me that?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 05:13 PM
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You forgot about familiarity. Being so much into a guy physically, that she wants to approach him first, is required with unfamiliar people, that you know nothing about except how they look. When you get to know someone you can develop an attraction to them for other things than physical attractiveness. So if anything, it's advisable to have a social life that includes single women, who you can show your other qualities to, while getting to know them in a non-romantic context. "but muh primal se…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 05:02 PM
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Then don't. Non-digital dating is still there. Solve loneliness by touching grass, like we keep telling people. Also, tell ChatGPT to not use —
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 04:43 PM
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There's a red pill claim that women love opporunitically and men love romantically and idealistically. You really need to stop thinking that everything that comes out of a person's mouth/fingertips, who calls themselves red pilled, is a red pill claim/statement. Moving on to the next prospect is human nature, having a high standard is human nature, being picky and ending things for reasons others may think are shallow is human nature. It's just men rarely get a chance to display this nature beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 04:40 PM
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I'd ask what exactly the problem is, when some women want to get rid of some aspects of gender roles but keeping others. It's a mating market after all. The women who pick what they want from patriarchy and reject the rest also need to find partners who share their values, or want to put up with them. Do we get the impression that men, on average, do not enjoy being providers (in the broadest sense), while still having the freedoms of not being restricted severely by a gender role? Why force men…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 04:12 PM
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Everything that is supported by science. So most of it, although red pill is lacking nuance. Red pill to human mating science is like gym bro advice to sports science.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 03:55 PM
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?! of course TRP ideas are not new. Nobody claimed that. It's observations about human mating, which didn't change much in lots of aspects in the last couple of thousands of years. Red pill doesn't shame anyone. It just observes and gathers information. Nobody wants to shame anyone and nobody wants to change anything in red pill. The people who do, don't do it from a red pill perspective, but from their own perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 03:43 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 03:34 PM
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We don't have gender equality in Ukraine. What the fuck are you on about?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 03:16 PM
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Do you concede your point about women and being a monolith? Gender equality is good. What you look for is equity, equality of outcome, which is bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 03:06 PM
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that doesn't address the issue with women not being a monolith. So you concede your point? Gender equality would also have been to let men flee the country as well, and have an army of volunteers/mercenaries. You hardly believe in putting in effort for your country. You are a NEET and comfortably rest on others putting in effort for your life, while not seeing a reason to change anything about it. You just post edgy stuff to distract from your own moral situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 02:44 PM
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How are the woman in the ukraine a monolith, when only 7.5% of Ukraine's pre-war female population of approximately 40 million fled the country? Not fleeing the country also doesn't change anything about the men being drafted and dieing.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 02:31 PM
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Women are not a monolith. They do not all want the same. They do not all have a problem with patriarchy. They are not all feminists. You are way overgeneralizing "women" from the things you see in your social media feed. Touch grass, be more nuanced, not the same groups, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 02:18 PM
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Do the guys you mention exist? Sure. How many are they percentage wise? Nobody knows. You can write "many men" as often as you want, that doesn't give it any % or any credibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 01:56 PM
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You just said how hte women close their eyes and put themselves into that fantasy. So they should have the orgasms, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 01:31 PM
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Let's ask chatgpt. "is being promiscuous a trait?" "Yes, being promiscuous can be considered a trait, specifically a behavioral trait within psychological and evolutionary frameworks. It refers to the tendency to engage in frequent or varied sexual relationships without commitment. This trait is studied across several domains: 1. Psychological Trait In psychology, promiscuity is part of the sociosexuality spectrum, which measures openness to uncommitted sexual relationships. Sociosexual Orientat…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 12:08 PM
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It’s more the fact that hetero sex is centered around penetration and considered to be over when the man ejaculates… by both men and women. Even if that were the case, there can be orgasms before penetration happens or during. If women wanted to have equal orgasms, they could just insist on getting their orgasms before any penetration happens. Why do you think they don't do that?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 12:05 PM
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You need to befried people who have a positive outlook on love, sex and relationships. Not the same negative views as you have.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 09:35 AM
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I was referring to what you do. So all you did is make fun of yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 09:14 AM
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What does that have to do with anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 09:01 AM
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And then there are women who will still not have an orgasm... leading to the orgasm gap, despite you doing everything possible for her pleasure
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 08:44 AM
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And then there are mental blockages, shame, etc. I recently had a weekend long threesome with two women, where one said she has maybe 5 orgasms per year, masturbation included, and the other didn't have an orgasms ever, masturbation included. They were bi-sexual, so it's not about men or lack of enthusiasm stimulating the clitoris. We tried everything, for as long as our muscles allowed us to, for days. No orgasm. That is, in my experience, what makes it impossible for the orgasm gap to be close…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 08:38 AM
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That's fine, but there are enough (very few, but enough to find them and have fun with them) women in that age bracket who think men with a 2 in front of their age are babies and they only go for men age 3x-4x.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 08:00 AM
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So what? Most teenage men are gross to teenage women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 07:58 AM
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But that decision is not random. There are factors that make you creepy. A creepy guy IS creepy. There is no false assumption of creepyness, while the guy is not creepy. YOu might want to distinguish between a predator and a creepy guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 07:57 AM
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Can we PLEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAASE stop arguing every day about what people say/do on the internet and rather deal with what people say/do in real life? It's not representative of real life. Stop living in an online world. It will change your perception of reality and thereby your behavior. You are causing your own problems by thinking what you see online is what will happen in real life. I am 41, and for the last 6 years, i have been hitting on/sleeping with women aged 18-25, basically exclusively, in…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 07:53 AM
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ANd then you just keep on building your view of reality on social media posts and comments?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 07:34 AM
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It's always an issue and you can't use that just as anyone else can't use that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 03:14 PM
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https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0265407589064001 The results in Table 4 for total romanticism indicate that femininity entered first and accounted for 5 percent of the variance. The direction of the partial correlation indicates that femininity is positively associated with romantic attitudes. Gender entered second and accounted for a R2 change of 0. 053. The direction of the partial correlation indicates that males are more romantic than females. Separate analyses indicated that the me…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 03:02 PM
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source?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 11:48 AM
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Red pill does not state that women are unconditionally loved. Red pill knows that relationships are transactional and depend on conditions being met. Also, reasons for not divorcing may have nothing to do with "unconditional love". -> "They also note that women are often more financially dependent and economically vulnerable; those challenges could pose barriers to the wives who might want to exit a marriage." I don't think you argue in good faith, when you leave out that explanation, while quot…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 11:41 AM
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I have no idea what level of effort my sex (men) put in in general to "appease"/be attractive to women. I'd have to believe women when they say that men do not put in a lot of effort. Or at least, that the effort men put in, in general, is not the type of effort that would be attractive to women. If you do 110% effort into the wrong direction, that is not something you can expect to be desired for. I do hold a different opinion for myself. Mostly, because that's how my/our mind works. I do have …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 10:23 AM
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Redpillers advocate getting jacked and having big muscles to affirm their masculinity, but the average woman doesn't care thaat much about muscles and are okay with average bodies--some are even attracted to chubby dad bods. Men are spending hours in the gym every week to build physiques that quite frankly only impress other men. While yes, men overestimate the level of muscularity that is most desired by women, very very few men actually are past the optimal point for the general public of wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 10:01 AM
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Now we base the behavior of women in general, on a FICTIVE story of a singular woman from 100+ years ago?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 09:31 AM
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If you think you love women unconditionally, you are lying to us and yourself. Women and men are about equally romantic. Look up the studies on that and don't overgeneralize. Men are a little more romantic in certain aspects of romance, on average. So in any given relationship, it can be very easily the woman who is more romantic than the man. You are socialized to manipulate woman by romantic gestures and words, to get what you want. Women are socialized to manipulate men by offering or withhol…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 09:29 AM
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no it's a system of values. Men with lots of sex partners are valued highly, even though this man doesn't want to date them. Women with low-n are seen as following the right values, even if this man doesn#t want to date them, or they are in marriages with other men
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 09:20 AM
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You would need to actually show how my second sentence is not true and the relevant aspect in making fun of male nurses. Being patronizing towards me is also not going to help your argument
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 09:18 AM
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no, i said most men, not all men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 09:16 AM
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no, i said most men, not all men.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 09:16 AM
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There are no female incels. There are only female insigns, involuntary single women. Why are we not making fun of them? Because it's not relevant to male dominance hierarchy positions. Having sex, having lots of sex partners, is a thing that affects male status and intra-sexual hierarchy positions. Men openly fight out these positions with direct confrontation. If a young woman does or doesn't have sex or a boyfriend is more or less irrelevant, especially because there is a believable argument f…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 09:13 AM
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Because when it's easy for men to get casual sex with women, and men most men having an unsatiating hunger for casual sex with new partners, it cannot also be true, that women have low n counts. If they could have low n counts, then it wouldn't be easy for men to get their casual sex needs met.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 01:31 PM
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of course, why wouldn't i?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 01:21 PM
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What is a bad thing? I don't get your response
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 01:14 PM
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This world looks exactly like ours. Few men and few women are promiscuous, most men and most women are not. This theoretical person holds the few men who are promiscuous and the many women who are not promiscuous in high regard, because they match his value system. The promiscuous women and non-promiscuous men are judged negatively. It's not necessary that every man can be promiscuous and every woman can be non-promiscuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 01:11 PM
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Because men in very female dominated jobs are seen as less manly. Also not about women, but about intra-sexual rivalry in men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 12:56 PM
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Try quoting the full sentence and see if you answer still makes sense
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 12:41 PM
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If women were assuming leadership roles more frequently than men, then leadership would become a feminine trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 12:37 PM
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People are upset when they hear "you are not good enough for me" and when their lived reality is, that they are not good enough for anyone (that meets their unrealistic standards).
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 12:18 PM
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It doesn't give advice, it provides information. Do with that what you want. I will not summarize all we know about human mating for you in a comment. Red pill information would be used to tell you, that your market value for being a non-binary, feminine-leaning furry autist is severely reduced and you would need to look into specific niches, where what you are is not that negatively valued or even preferred. But on the general mating market, you would face severe rejections by women in your lea…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 03:40 PM
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human mating
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 03:23 PM
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No, you didn't answer. but i am not going to repat myself again.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 03:23 PM
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No. Valuing promiscuity in men and the opposite in women is a value, not a preference. If you don't accept that as a value, then explain how you see conservativism as a value and not a preference. My answer is about leaving out the conservative value, which in fact, would make him being promiscuous also in conflict with being conservative. So, when the person doesn't state that they are conservative, your whole argument would go poof. Are you assuming those men are conservative for wanting a non…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 03:03 PM
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“Men should be promiscuous but women shouldn’t“ is an incongruent fallacious thinking. It's not. Why would men and women have to be the same way for it to be right thinking?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 02:58 PM
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The red pill is a grift lmao, Andrew Tate and all of the other red pill influencers always got a course or book to sell, You need to separate the red pill from people who want to sell you shit in the name of red pill. The red pill is not about traditional gender roles or changing society. There are charlatans EVERYWHERE: get rich quick schemes, health and fitness gurus, nutrition/diet charlatans, financial advice, dating advice, general life coaching, etc. People make money off of idiots since t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 02:56 PM
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I think the reason why is because the majority of straight nt women follow societal norms heavily and are only attracted to the type of men they are told to like, the traditional masculine man, and they could tell that i wasn't normal, whenever I was hitting on them I felt like I had to constantly pander and play a part I didn't want. I've also realized that I never liked trying to be the traditional masculine man society wanted me to be, I hated sports, hated the idea of providing, hated taking…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 02:29 PM
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There’s nothing conservative about being promiscuous. And there is nothing to DEFEND in wanting a partner that has other traits as oneself. He’s a hypocrite because he’s claiming to be “conservative” when he clearly does not have the discipline for it. How about when he just has the value of women should not be promiscuous but men should? Leave the "conservative" value out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 02:11 PM
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What weird ideological trip are you on? Sorry that you struggle with your identity, but masculinity is fine, men are fine, nothing is in danger and femininity isn't swallowing up anything (... insert pun here). That women are getting into leadership positions doesn't make leadership a feminine trait. Leadership is still a masculine trait. The women who are in leadership positions are not feminine for it, they are masculine for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 01:58 PM
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How did i prove her point when i say it's not about women, it's about the type of work? It's the same for low qualification work done by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 01:55 PM
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No, nothing is "in danger", because it's not a fixed term. Masculine is what men are/do/have as traits on average in comparison to women. If men started wearing skirts and women wore pants, then it would be masculine to wear skirts. Femininity changes as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 12:56 PM
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How does masculinity exist? If women can do everything that men can do? Masculinity is a concept that changes and adapts to the differences between men and women. If women become the risk takers and men become more careful, then what is masculine and feminine changes accordingly. Yet there are women that are basically doing all of these things It's about the average values for the sex, not about individuals. So if a woman can achieve everything a man can achieve, doesn't that mean masculine is c…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 12:38 PM
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You really just now understood that men and women are different? That men want different things in women than women want in men?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 10:03 AM
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when that many men say they have not approached a woman in the last year, how can they say dating has become harder? They are not even trying to do what is required to date. Can it be, that men (and women) have just become worse at mating, but nothing changed regarding how hard it is? Men and women who do what worked 20 years ago are not complaining about how hard it got.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 09:47 AM
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When you add in the dimension of sociosexual orientation, as an explanatory variable, there is even less of a problem. We often assume that all men just want to have casual sex when not in a committed relationship, but this is not true. A sizeable percentage of men is so far on the restricted side of the sociosexuality spectrum, that they only want to have sex within a committed relationship, and when they do not have such a relationship, they do not even strive to have casual sex. Meanwhile, be…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 09:35 AM
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I wouldn't say "relationships have never been easier for the average western woman", when you state how men are increasingly not of an aligning political view, which is important for relationship formation. Men aren't as educated as women would like to have. Men are not as commitment oriented as women would like to have.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 08:29 AM
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In a world where men can easaily have casual sex with women, there are no low-n women anymore. Also, i do commit to high n women. I am promiscuous myself and i couldn't be with a woman who has very different values or lifestyle. I think it's a tiny minority of men who really are up for casual sex lifestyle and want a woman with an opposite lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 08:11 AM
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" share what actually fucking helped[...]: Be your true self" - a very attractive person's dating advice. When you DO find a woman who is worth the effort, put in the damn effort. The problem is finding a woman who is interested in them and who is worth the effort. When all they do is swipe on apps, looking for a hot, young, sex positive woman with low n count who wants to get married soon and is into autistic, below average attractive men with no experience...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 08:04 AM
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That is the case for all low qualification work and has nothing to do with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 07:47 AM
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Alimony is not based on gender but on financial need and capacity to pay. A man pays when he is the higher earner and the woman is financially dependent; a woman pays when she is the higher earner and the man is financially dependent. How do you "solve" this? You marry a woman who is not financially dependent or you are not the higher earner.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 07:33 AM
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Who are these men who are shamed and guilted into conforming? I wasn't forced to acknowledge any female struggles. This creates an unfair situation. Then just don't care. I am still waiting for the evidence that men are shamed and guilted into conforming.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 02:34 PM
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when people say dating today is much harder, site the growing statistic of men never approaching women, and the growing divide between men and women politically and in terms of dating and what ages they get together Then approach women. Change your political views. And commit to someone early in life. What else makas dating "much harder" today?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 02:15 PM
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Then why do you judge Aurelius for things i do not list him as a role model?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 02:02 PM
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The same is true for your: "Many women, especially on here, say these men can't get laid because they're terrible"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 01:54 PM
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You still didn't read and understand correctly.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 04:05 PM
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I'm sorry dude, you fail at reading. Maybe stick to your parents as role models, then you don't have to do anything, because you will become like them anyway. Your ego must love this.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 03:52 PM
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You said "who call themselves high value" and who are not at the bottom. It's not misogynistic men who mock short men. You are mixing up lots of different groups and give them traits that apply only to a fraction of that group. Yes, there are "high value" misogynistic men who mock short men. But that is not a group characteristic of either of those labels. That people match others to put them down is also not a trait of any specific group you named. Non-misogynistic average guys and girls put do…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 03:36 PM
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You think there is a difference between a narcissist negging and a PUA negging?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 03:16 PM
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They do all the things you said and are successful with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 03:10 PM
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High value != misogynist Mocking undesirable men != misogyny How do you know the mate value of people who tell short guys to kil themselves when they go to dating apps? Something happening doesn't make it a trend. People who mock/push down others need to feel better about themselves. This happens at all levels of mate value, but as you can surely agree, is required less when you are already far above the competition. The ones who are hurting the bottom percentiles of men the most, are men who ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 03:05 PM
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Many women, especially on here, say these men can't get laid because they're terrible, but there's no way of proving that. We have the proof in this sub. Most foreveralone men here are terrible, frustrated, hateful, ideologically brainwashed misogynists who think they would be god's gift to women, if they weren't rejecting them for the flaws of other men...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 02:55 PM
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Do you not go for attractive, extraverted women because they have a higher chance to cheat ony ou?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 02:53 PM
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You don't see all the women who go for kind men. Kindness rules mating. It's a very attractive trait. You seem to mix that up with insecurity and people pleasing, which is not attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 02:50 PM
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There is a reason the 25yo virgin is a virgin. Who is more likely to be disappointing as a partner? I guess it's the virgin. No sexual attraction, no status, probably autistic, no romantic experience, one-itis/pedestalizing, fear of losing the woman to another man leads to restricting/negative mate retention strategies, possibly niceguy spinelessness and no confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 02:44 PM
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However, they always go for exactly the demographic of guys who do these things: tall, broad-shouldered, extroverted, tough, aggressive, douchebag type guys. No, "they" don't. It takes a special kind of childhood experience to be drawn to aggressive douchebags. What is more likely, is that women are drawn to attractive/desirable men, despite them being aggressive douchebags. On the other hand, women assume No, you assume what women assume. : short, shy, awkward, introverted, hopeless romantics, …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 02:35 PM
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what i meant was: it should be clear that someone who promises a relationship might change their mind at any point. There is no guarantee in those promises to be realized or stable.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 01:17 PM
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Answer for us: Why are narcissists so successful in short term mating.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 01:14 PM
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I'd ask for the reasons for that change and feel accordling, maybe even act accordingly.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 01:09 PM
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Nobody cares about people at the bottom, unless they start to piss us off by opening hateful und hurtful threads about who should be forced to do what and who is a slut, has overblown ego, is hitting the wall, etc. , at which point we strike back.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 12:58 PM
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You cannot promise a relationship. Things change. People break up.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 12:55 PM
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You think it's a problem of UNDERSTANDING this, that leads to frustration in men and women that is discharged in social media and this sub?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 12:54 PM
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you missed the point. It's not about being a role model for everything, but for very specific traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 12:51 PM
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You do you, but one woman is not enough for me. I am loving and cherishing one woman, but in addition to that, i fuck a lot of other women. I got what you got, plus more. How is that bad? I just spend the weekend with my bi-girlfriend and another women, having amazing sex, feeling like i am in heaven. I don't think you get that close to heaven with your way of living, even when you are the christian one and i am the atheist. but chasing the material or earthly ideals only gets you so far true ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 08:57 PM
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Don't forget that people can be in long term committed relationships but live in one-person households. Living apart together (LAT) is the term you can read about. This type of relationship (not married, not cohabitating) is often classified as "single", while that is not true. Also, i don't think men need marriage more. Men are the ones who prefer non-commitment more than women. The rise of situationships is a male preferred type of relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 08:44 PM
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No, i argue that OP is wrong about women not doing things to improve their personality, because we have the stats on how many women compared to men go to therapy and one of the many results of that is an improved personality/being a better mate for men. women out here have been conditioned to think that they are amazing the way they are and don't need to self improve They very much think they have to self improve. It's men who think there is no/less point in improving personality. What do you do…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 08:25 PM
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How about you pick a role model for different aspects of life? I don't think there is a single man that is a good role model for every aspect. Marcus Aurelius (Roman Emperor, philosopher) Wrote Meditations, still a gold standard of stoic self-guidance. Ideal model for detachment from external chaos, inner clarity. Thinks in personal duty and responsibility, not emotion or popularity. Christopher Hitchens (writer, polemicist, atheist) Sharp-witted, highly educated, and unapologetically logical. C…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 06:21 PM
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You touted therapy as "making someone a better person" but the only example is "treating a specific disorder". Treating a disorder is making this person a better person. Finding ways to not be stressed about your life with the help of therapy is making you a better person for potential mates. Being introverted is not something people go to therapy for. They go to therapy for social anxiety that makes them suffer. Overcoming that anxiety makes them better persons for potential mates and for thems…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 05:53 PM
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Do a poll on if a man who says he was falsely accused of something, is a red flag or if thinking this makes you a red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 05:51 PM
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I AM bound to the laws of biology and human evolution to a very high degree concerning what i find attractive. I would LOVE to not be attracted to women aged 18-21 and would love to be attracted to men instead. Things would be so easy..
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 05:49 PM
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lol... you could've said that you have no idea about therapy and i wouldn't have bothered. There are many things that affect if therapy works. THe match between client and therapist is the most important on. it's not like antibiotics that just work when you "swallow it", when the problem is one that can be cured by antibiotics. YOU are the next most important factor in the effectiveness of therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 04:21 PM
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It is a personal attack. I have not said a single thing about you or your character, yet you have about mine. Alright, then i'll do it like you: women with behavior and ideologies and values like you just portrayed, are red flags to lots of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 04:18 PM
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Right, that's pretty much the same thing. I don't argue about a difference of 45 to 58% in that kind of matter. My point is: attractiveness is not 100% subjective. Studies show that it's about 60-70% objective (people agree on it), and 30-40% subjective.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 04:15 PM
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Men and women are equally lonely. So yes, feminists and blue pillers are just as concerned about the loneliness epidemic as men. Some countries have loneliness ministers by now, and lots of money is poured into funding studies to get to the core of the issue and find ways to manage it. Meanwhile, the manosphere rides the topic with regards to wanting to fuck, neglecting the larger issue at hand, that they could solve themselves. Are you lonely? Fix it! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_xhYNPGvV8
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 03:23 PM
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Nobody sane claims that attraction is 100% subjective. This is getting absurd. The division between subjective and objective components in physical attractiveness is quantifiable to a degree, based on empirical studies in psychology and behavioral science. Most studies conclude that: ~60–70% of physical attractiveness ratings are "objective," and ~30–40% are "subjective." This means that the majority of people agree on who is physically attractive (to a statistically significant extent), but ind…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 03:13 PM
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If attraction is subjective, why do 45% of male likes go to the same 10% of female profiles? How subjective can attractiveness be, when most people agree on who is most attractive? <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 03:11 PM
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The term “real life dating market” is a metaphor used in social science, psychology, and evolutionary biology to describe the competitive dynamics of how people find romantic or sexual partners. It’s not a literal market with stalls, cash registers, or taxes, but the analogy captures important aspects of supply, demand, competition, and value exchange. Not Like a Flea Market: A flea market implies free choice, low stakes, and easy exchange. In contrast: The dating market is hierarchical and asym…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 03:07 PM
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Because you are comparing the success of you with that of others, neglegting that the "difficulty" to achieve success does depend on who you go for. Yet you attribute it to confidence and not to going for people that have a higher chance to be open to you, than the people others go for who have less success. Nothing is wrong with that. I am just pointing out that it's not correct to conclude that your results compared to other's results stem from confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 12:29 PM
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That is not reality though. The statement was: men do cheat more. Not "in a specific subset of only married couples cheating with each other"...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 11:41 AM
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Correlation is not causation. You might pick the drunkest and least desirable people in the club and attribute your success to confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 11:39 AM
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I double checked the values (60%) i had in mind and found that the sources had biased samples that were not representative. After a thorough search, i agree that it's probably, with all the limitations and uncertainties, around 20-30% for men and 15-20% for women. So anything from women cheat as much as men, to men cheat twice as often is possible. All of that highly depends on the time and culture. Most data is from the US. Wang, W. (2018). Who Cheats More? The Demographics of Infidelity in Ame…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 11:32 AM
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Top Desired Traits in Mates: High Conscientiousness: Signals reliability, work ethic, and long-term stability. High Emotional Stability (low Neuroticism): Predicts relationship satisfaction. High Agreeableness: Kindness and empathy increase trust and bonding. Moderate-to-high Extraversion: Especially for sociability and sexual assertiveness. High Openness: Attractiveness through intellectual and emotional depth. Actionable Improvements: Trait How to Improve Conscientiousness Use daily checklists…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 10:53 AM
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Openness to Experience (vs. Closed-mindedness) Fantasy (imagination) Aesthetics (appreciation for art/beauty) Feelings (emotional awareness) Actions (openness to new activities) Ideas (intellectual curiosity) Values (openness to different values) Conscientiousness (vs. Carelessness) Competence (self-efficacy) Order (organization) Dutifulness (sense of obligation) Achievement-striving (drive) Self-discipline (persistence) Deliberation (cautiousness) Extraversion (vs. Introversion) Warmth (friendl…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 10:52 AM
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when the range is 20-60% how do you get a 5% percentage point difference between the sexes, when we do not even know if men cheat to 20% or 60%?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 10:30 AM
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What is your question then? You seem to have your answers
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 10:29 AM
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So you just proved that the dating market is not crap. Being on online dating apps is crap for people who are not competitive with the supply of attractive profiles there. Dating apps don't seem to have a large effect on the dating market outside the apps, if you have a vastly different experience outside the apps. Getting rid of dating apps doesn't seem to be necessary than. Touching grass seems to be the cure. Oh, as if that wasn't suggested...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 10:24 AM
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You are doing it the wrong way. Get together with your male friends and start socializing the women in your social group to sexualize conversations out of respect for the men. There is nothing wrong with being liked by women platonically, but once you get the "one of the girls" label it will stick and women will never introduce you to their friends. Start sexualizing them. Be the non-threatening pervert that women feel good around. The only way to escape this quagmire was by shamelessly hitting …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 08:30 AM
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You start off with "truth is" and end with "common sense", but then just make up something that fits your ideology. How about you support that with data or sources? Claiming something is the truth or common sense doesn't help your argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 08:21 AM
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That is hardly a "girlfriend" then. It's a roster of booty call people. Also, where you in a primary, committed relationship at the time and had those side chicks secretly, or did your committed girlfriend now about them? How did you manage to keep it a secret to your main committed girlfriend, when you spent so much time with other women? How long did this phase last?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 08:13 AM
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For how long did you take those 7 side chicks off the market for other men to date? Or were they allowed to see other men/did they see other men? What i am getting at is, did this really impact the dating market to a relevant degree?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 08:12 AM
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The whole point is, that anecdotes on this sub are very likely made up to have evidence for an ideological viewpoint, where there is no actual data or the actual data does not support the ideology. She could just make up an anecdote showing the opposite that OP said and we would have no evidence for a particular side to be "the truth". My anecdote: I have had 2 girlfriends officially at the sime time, i have affairs and i have one night stands while being partnered, i am in an open relationship …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 08:09 AM
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Sir, you should come back to "thinking inside the pill". Cheater is only the person who is in a relationship where having sex outside the relationship is prohibited. The person they cheat with, is not a cheater, if they are allowed to have sex with that person, or are single.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 07:55 AM
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The answer is we don't know. Studies range from 20-60%
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 07:53 AM
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So now you have a guy who has a partner, pairing up with more women, and leaving less for other men. "pairing up"? It's a one night stand. It's ONE day in the life of that woman. The other thousands of days, she is free to "pair up" with you. Go ahead, and be stupid and assume that every young woman has had 20 sex partners. That's ~20 days of being "taken" by possibly partnered men, worst case. That means not even one months of her life is occupied by taken men. HOW is this holding you back from…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 07:46 AM
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FINALLY someone who has a sane take on manipulation
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 07:07 AM
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You have no idea about what love is. Courting someone has a personal goal. Mate guarding has a personal goal. Both are manipulation.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 07:06 AM
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No, you just do not understand what "represents" means. This sub does not presenet the state of dating for men. Because hte men here are not representative of men overall. We have 30% autists here, 30% virgins, probably a very high degree of lonely men, etc. Dating apps are 70% male, how is that representative of a real life mating market?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 07:04 AM
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No, therapy doesn't make you a better person, at least not therapy in the form it exists as today Well, i have living proof lying in my bed. She addressed her anxiety disorder with therapy and has become a better person after overcoming that with the help of therapy. Night and day change of quality. What is your basis to claim that therapy doesn't make peoplel a better person? Men value purpose and camaraderie more, that's why hobby groups tend to be male dominated Doesn't seem to work to make l…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 07:02 AM
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no i was giving a objective value a 10 dollar note is 10 dollar even if it thinks it is 100 dollar it is not. Then you would need to show that 7/10 guys cannot get any 5/10 woman. Real life shows you this is not true. Science shows you this is not true. what you assumed is that personality in terms of what you described as You asked what you can improve, with a clear benefit to your market value. Changing any of the big5 personality dimensions expressions is waaaay harder and with unclear approa…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 06:58 AM
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Now, why is it then that so many people let’s say 7/10 men struggle to attract the “average” girl? It's because men who think they are 7/10 men are actually 5/10 and the women they think are average, are actually 7/10. It's because they only use dating apps that are a very different market than real life, with different sex ratios and therefore different market values. Most people's cognitive personality traits, such as intelligence, temperament, and behavior, fall within the two standard deviat…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 06:27 PM
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Yeah, a great profile will do good in both situations. A mediocre profile will do worse on apps that that guy would do in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 06:03 PM
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No, i mean that people in love do manipulate the person they love even more.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 06:00 PM
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Berlin, Germany. Culturally progressive western society. And you?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 05:59 PM
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Treated and managed. Core Evidence-Based Treatments a. Applied Behavior Analysis (ABA) Most empirically validated approach. Uses reinforcement techniques to teach adaptive behaviors and reduce maladaptive ones. Especially effective in early intensive interventions (EIBI) for children under 5. Source: Lovaas, O.I. (1987); Smith & Ivar (2001). b. Speech and Language Therapy For children with language delay or nonverbal communication issues. Focus: expressive/receptive language, social communicatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 05:57 PM
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Love makes manipulation even more of an issue. Are you naive?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 05:40 PM
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At least you can pretend to be super manly about your issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 05:39 PM
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Straight man, 20 years of healthy and happy relationship experience, split over 3 relationships. Having dated and going on dates (open relationship) with "modern women" in the "modern dating market" and from dating apps, as well as in real life. 99% of the commenting/posting men here are completely delusional. They get their information from sociala media and pill-charlatans. It's a terminally online, often autistic group who are so hung up on "gotchas" and "unfairness" that they completelly los…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 05:28 PM
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No, they do REALLY bend the knee, but with the effect of manipulating the woman. It's not fraud. The woman REALLY go the bent knee. By the way, women are more likely than men to use manipulative strategies, particularly indirect, relational, and covert manipulation, on average. This is not a value judgment but a well-documented sex difference in social behavior, shaped by evolutionary psychology, developmental psychology, and personality research.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 05:07 PM
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Why do you think it ubiquitous for you but non-existent for me?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 05:00 PM
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Glad you are making the argument for me. So women ARE the ones who improve their personality (more) to their own and men's benefit and women are rightfully having standards for men's mental health and personality improvent journeys. Maybe you wouldn't be in the position with your job and your boss, your dead dog as your only emotional support, your untreated aspergers, if you had started out doing personality improvement instead of sucking it in and masking. Then you would maybe not have ended u…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 04:56 PM
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How have we stripped all tradition from marriage? Marriage is literally ONLY tradition and nothing else. Have you talked with your girlfriend about her expectation to kneel in front of her? I did, and she doesn't want me to kneel. She also wants to buy me a ring too, and want to propose to me as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 04:49 PM
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Look at your recent interaction with the woman you wanted to go on a coffee date: you demanded going dutch, she demanded (or at least was so used to that she didn't know how she would feel about going dutch or what that would mean for a possible relationship) that the man paid for the date. It's two people having demands and no matter how unreasonable, if they don't want to fulfill each other's demands, nothing happens. Next! What was the problem here? Just two people who do not match, finding o…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 04:33 PM
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A woman can come into a relationship as an objectively non-traditional woman (loud, aggressive, single mother, etc.) and still demand a traditional man, and this is seen as perfectly fine. Even if it was seen as perfecly fine to demand something, it's up to you do actually conform to those demands. Don't be traditional when you don't want to, and get into relationships with women who don't expect the man to have a traditional role. You can demand whatever you want. It's a market and supply and d…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 04:13 PM
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in this instance, who the man is as a person does not matter as well, his utility does "Who are you" and "what can you do for me" are mostly the same thing. Who someone is as a person IS their utility. It's not patriarchy, it's biology. You fell victim to social constructivists. Women evolved to evaluate men by their ability to provide resources (among other things). You can ask "what do you do for a living" because you are interested in the person. But you also get the "what can you do for me" …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 04:02 PM
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Alright, then what do men do that is equivalent to what women do to improve their personality via therapy? How do you improve your personality and deal with your mental health issues, your attachment issues, your insecurities and fears, etc.?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 03:28 PM
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Human behavior is govern by instinct and that instinct seeks what is best for humanity as a whole. WHAT? You couldn't be more wrong. Human behavior is influenced by a limited set of evolved instincts, but these instincts are modulated, suppressed, or redirected by culture, learning, and rational thought. In contrast to non-human animals, humans are not governed primarily by fixed action patterns, but by a highly flexible cognitive system shaped by both biology and environment. Human instincts do…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 03:23 PM
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Alright, if you want to compare anecdotal evidence instead of statistical evidence... All the women <40yo that i know have been or are in therapy to address things about their personality that will make them or have made them more attractive partners for men. They recognized that they need to, want to improve for their own good and for that of the people they are close with or want to become close with. Maybe 10% of the men i know do /have done the same. What now?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 03:12 PM
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If you see a woman who you think looks particularly nice and you would have normally given her a nice polite compliment... Are you no longer doing that? Why not? What has she done to you? She chose the bear.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 03:08 PM
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you mean what you see on social media in your tailored-to-what-triggers-you feed that also is the reason for you other crazy ideas about reality that are not true?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 02:59 PM
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How do you feel confident to state that most single moms will never consider dating single dads, or that "so many" single moms can't find someone, when you have absolutely no real statistics on this?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 02:48 PM
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We do the first move because we want to fuck. We chase because we want to fuck. We kneel to give them what they want, so they give us what we want in return. It's manipulation, not submission. It's an asymmetrical exchange. Men and women want different things. So is this why dating sucks? What? Those traditional behaviors are way older than the lamenting about modern dating. There is no expectation that men are servants or to humiliate themselves. How many times does a man kneel before a woman i…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 02:46 PM
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How man single moms can't find someone? I have never seen a statistic that looks at relationship status of single moms
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 02:27 PM
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Why do some men still avoid single moms, even if the breakup wasn’t her fault, and she left an abusive or neglectful relationship? Because it's not about the woman, it's about the kid. The woman without kid would be fine, with the same marriage past. She having a kid with another man is the issue. I don't want a woman who is occupied with a kid that isn't mine. Other question: why would you want a step-father for your child? Presence of a step-parent, especially a stepfather, is a top-tier risk …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 02:23 PM
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THe only thing it indicates, is that the person asking these questions needs to be loved unconditionally/need to be told that they are loved unconditionally, for whatever reason that likely stems from childhood..
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 01:55 PM
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Women "feel" the way they do, because they are fucking bad at probabilities
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 01:02 PM
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traditional gender roles are still present and doing well. What changed is that there are now more possible roles to choose from.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 12:56 PM
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Criminal law is based on harm principles: the state punishes actions that cause measurable harm to others or to society (e.g., violence, theft, coercion). Cheating causes emotional harm but not legal harm in the sense recognized by criminal law. The legal system protects physical safety, property, and rights—not private emotional agreements unless formalized. Civil courts may address consequences, but criminal law does not intervene.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 12:49 PM
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If Sally's own social group was not convinced that she was speaking the truth, i would be highly skeptical of her version of the story. Other than that, i would trust my evaluation of her character to determine if she is one to falsely accuse, if i am one to potentially fall victim to such a thing, etc. Other than that, it depends on what that rape really allegedly consisted of. If it was one of those "i was too drunk to consent" type of things, i'd keep my distance, as i enjoy chemsex and don't…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 12:37 PM
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What? That women go to therapy? That's facts. United States (CDC, 2020–2022 data): 25.6% of women received mental health treatment in the past year. 15.8% of men received mental health treatment in the past year. Women are 60% to 100% more likely than men to attend psychotherapy in Western countries. The pattern is stable across different healthcare systems and age groups. Main Sources: U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), National Center for Health Statistics, 2022. Robert Koc…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 12:24 PM
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Unfortunately, because of how most men behave towards them, many women are now under the impression that they don't need to improve themselves on a psychological level because they can be completely garbage people and men will still simp and chase them. They have no incentive to be better people. Do you have any evidence of this? Aren't women going to therapy to become better people, while men do not to nearly the same degree?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 12:13 PM
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Yes i am in an open relationship. Open relationships come in all shapes and forms. Mine is one where i am for sex and relationship, and other men are for new experiences and fun, on top of what she already has. Just like it is for me with her and other women. She is in a relationship with me, because i am also very attractive to her. She can't shut up about it. I heard it several times this weakend.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 12:11 PM
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As per my understanding of RP, it's quite focused on "traditional" gender roles and dating dynamics. It's not. But that is the men who are drawn to RP. Just because red pilled men talk about traditional gender roles doesn't make RP about it. That being said, what're your thoughts on femdom? Not for me. Other than that, i don't care at all what others do. it's antithetical to how relationships should be There is no way relationships "should be". That has nothing to do with RP. It makes you feel w…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 12:02 PM
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This cannot be answered without you defining what you mean by "hot" and "hvm".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 11:49 AM
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Behaviour and "confidence" (performative confidence) will not get you results with women. Short term mating specialists like narcissists are just laughing at you now. Performance does work. Way too well. You cannot out do all her options by simply behaving in an attractive way. You just need to out do her options for the night. An attractive high status man with money will always beat the guy with game. ALWAYS. But there are not enough high status men with money for every woman to get one. So th…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 11:41 AM
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It is an overwhelming consensus that the dating market in the modern day is completely broken and leaves both genders unhappy. It's not. How can that be consensus when the overwhelming majority of people are in committed relationships that were formed by taking part in the dating market? What does "broken" even mean? It certainly works, as is evidenced by all the relationships that constantly form. Can you support this claim of yours in any way? For women, it tends to be that they can't find a m…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 11:22 AM
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You are not interested in facts or science, are you? You are more of a "the world is the way i feel it is" type of guy? Who women wind up in relationships with has no correlation with what they find actually physically attractive. It highly correlates with whom they find attractive, because physical attractiveness is the highest priority, but it's not the only trait that matters. If you are physically attractive to a woman, she will verbally and explicitly tell you to your face. I am, i know. Wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 10:52 AM
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Apps do not represent real life. YOu probably also think that social media represents real life?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 09:03 AM
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Not using dating apps is the solution, when you don't get any dates from them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 09:00 AM
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They are literally dealing with swarths of men trying to compete with each other to win their hearts and topple the men that have come before. Let's not kid ourselves. We want to fuck them and not be their loving relationship partners. What women deal with are 99.9% of men who approach them wanting to just fuck them and 0.01% of men who want a relationship. Winning hearts and toppling men who came before is not the usual situation at all. 100 MATCHES A DAY!? And you still can't find a guy? When …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 08:58 AM
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Mutual mate choice in humans is a product of evolutionary pressures shaped by biparental investment, long-term pair bonds, and costly mating decisions for both sexes. It is well-supported by empirical, theoretical, and cross-cultural evidence. While sex differences in preference domains exist, both men and women act as choosy agents in selecting mates. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/1047840X.2013.804899 https://academic.oup.com/princeton-scholarship-online/book/19870/chapter-abstrac…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 08:46 AM
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If you’re trying to market a product, your ultimate goal is to sell as much of that product as possible. Not when you only have quantity of 1. Like one stock share, one vintage pullover, one used car. When choosing a mate, however, compatibility matters. THat is the point where you find a buyer who wants your vintage pullover or used car, while you like their offer for it. You get chosen and you choose back. Like in a market, where there are lots of offers for your vintage pullover and you pick …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 08:23 AM
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No, i have never been married despite 20 years of combined relationship time. Wasn't for me or the women i was in a relationship with. Currently thinking about marriage with my gf of 5 years. No children yet, and we tend towards no children as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 08:09 AM
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Seems like you also have a pretty defined type and are not that open for "any kind of man". Sure, a lot of women match the list i gave, but that doesn't mean i am open to a lot of different women. I am open to a lot of women who are similar. It's not about the number of women, it's about the range of different kinds of women. I am not sure if those 5 had something extra (i want to believe that though), or if i just had the opportunity to get to know them and me being their type/them being attrac…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 08:03 AM
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Definitely weirdo, but what makes you think i have fallen in love recently? Most of those women were partners when i was younger. Now, it's just sex partners of that age, not falling in love with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 07:55 AM
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With regards to pills and human mating, why do you think the majority, the moderates, understand human mating the correct way? Doesn't science offer the best take on how human mating works and science is understood by an extreme minority?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 07:54 AM
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I have fallen in love with 5 women since i have been 20yo (41yo now). They have all been 21-23yo, attractive, white, long blond or brown hair, medium-large breasts, intelligent but not more than i am, feminine, middle-class, bachelor to master degree, non-artsy, non-ideological, my nationality, egalitarian, about 2 inches shorter than me, and sexually open. I "appreciated" a vast range of women. But i don't think i could fall in love with women i appreciate or have sex with. It's a pretty tight …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 12:47 PM
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Did you just understand than men and women are not monoliths and that there is no universal mating strategy that everyone should follow?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 09:25 AM
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So the majority is always right?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 09:09 AM
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I see. I think there is a difference between there being the love and commitment to the other person that would be enough to take further steps, but not going them for other reasons. I am just now moving in with my current girlfriend after 5 years. Not because i wasn't ready for that after the first year, but because there were other benefits to living close together but not in the same apartment.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 09:07 AM
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Neither. I am 41, never married, 20 years of relationships split between 3 women. Open relationship, committed. I don't have a checklist. Currently thinking about marriage, reading up on engagement rings.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 09:04 AM
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Do you think you could fall in love with anyone?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 09:00 AM
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Leagues are a concept of averages. Of course there are exceptions because of different weightings of traits. That 34yo doctor might have a severe case of autism, or a sexual fetish that makes him incompatible with most others in his league. He might have a childhood trauma that makes him attracted to lost cases and trashy women. Who the fuck knows. The individual case does not define or break the concept of leagues. Leagues guide you to people who have a good chance to be suitable partners. They…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 08:58 AM
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you hope that things stay like they are now and you can be happy with a situation where you are seeing someone you don't want to take the relationship to the next level with? That sounds quite depressing to my ears. I wouldn't even entertain anyone i couldn't see myself being super happy/fulfilled with and going the whole way.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 10:24 AM
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The only way to avoid it is to be skeptical at all times and try to stay in the the middle as a moderate. This is why I have no pill because I don't want to lean to any ideology that can prevent me from seeing things objectively. Why are you convinced that "the middle ground" is the objectively right view of how the world works?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 09:03 AM
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You're not alone and 2. It's not your fault. You just described the manosphere and why red pill sphere changed from "how to get women" to "be part of a group of "average men" who are unhappy about their life but instead of changing anything, they find various reasons for why it's the system/women/politics that keep them in their miserable state".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 09:00 AM
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But this sub aside, how can anyone be happy with the state of relationships when they believe every anonymous sob story about the “blindsided” dumping or the 30-year-old rando who got run out of town for saying hi to a female barista or the tales of men who have daily sex with different married women? Why is TikTok being used as a source for ridiculous claims?! Because people should be able to understand, that the frequency of being shown these stories on social media, does not correlate to the …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 08:55 AM
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You have a problem which is likely scientific illiteracy. You don't understand what you say and what the data you see really says. Your claim is: INCREASE in misogynistic attitudes and resentment toward women. Then you show a current status. We CANNOT get an INCREASE from just a current status. Maybe it decreased, maybe it was the same 10 years ago, maybe it was lower ten years ago. The source you cite is also not one i would base anything on, but i'd consider it, if it actually showed a past to…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 08:09 AM
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that is what i said.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 07:30 AM
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Thanks for sharing. I find it interesting that you come to the conclusion that someone who chose you for a relationship partner is too good for you. I am way too narcissistic to ever think someone is too good for me. If anything, it confirms my view about myself, that i would have to be an equally great person, if she choses me. So, if you understand that he was too good for you, how does this/how has this affect/ed your partner choice?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 07:29 AM
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No, the devil is in the ideology. The rest is subjective. You cannot objectively say that X behavior is creepy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 07:23 AM
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First: no, it's never pointless to get into a relationship just because of age. There are always pros and cons, and for most people, the pros of a good relationship always outweight the cons, at any age. Second: My argument was not about getting into a relationship THE FIRST TIME at later stages of life. It was about SWITCHING relationship partners at later stages of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 07:22 AM
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TRP is long past any real advice on what works to have romantic/sexual success. It's all about gender war, whining, traditional values, etc. Nobody disputes that it's beneficial to look good, have high status, good income, etc. What people dispute are things like hypergamy, value depending on sexual partners, etc. If red pillers were concerned with what worked, they would stop the whining and gender war, because that absolutely is not attractive, nor getting them anywhere closer to romantic succ…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 06:45 PM
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i literally quoted that they said that "you will be replaced by someone better"
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 05:59 PM
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Loneliness is the same in men and women. We know about it. There are loneliness ministers in some countries. Studies are funded to look into it and find solutions. Societies worldwide ARE addressing the problem. Few men not having sex is the irrelevant part. we’re also seeing increases in misogynistic attitudes and resentment toward women. Do we? Do you have statistics on that or is that what you feel to be true? <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 05:57 PM
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You will be replaced by someone better who will do those things. She is the one with options, not you. How is the guy from Tinder better? He is just a guy who actually has time to date, while the former guy is not really available for what he signed up for.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 05:47 PM
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Don't try to defend an undefendable point just because you ahve been shown you are wrong and it hurts your ego. Women overwhelmingly don't mock men, in real life, personal interactions over their penis size. It's men who mock men on penis size, regardless of the actual size. Men put the thought of penis size being super relevant into other men's heads and create this issue. If men would stop talking about penis size, this problem would be solved instantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 05:30 PM
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I’m not defending any toxic belief system here. I’m saying we can’t be shocked by their existence if we keep treating men's intimacy struggles as either irrelevant or deserved. We need to look deeper at what drives people to such extremes. Nobody is shocked. Incels are not a topic for anyone touching grass and being out of high school/college. Really, nobody cares if you have sex or not. As more men accept the fact they may not find love, we will see a rise in unhealthy coping mechanisms & extre…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 05:21 PM
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The hatred is completely misplaced, in an attempt to not be responsible for their own situation. OTHER MEN are the enemy. OTHER MEN are having all the casual sex, relationships ,situationships, etc. with the women. OTHER MEN are outcompeting them over women. OTHER MEN are greedy and take all they can get, leaving nothing for others.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 09:23 AM
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Was she in the PMS phase when she blamed you?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 07:17 AM
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What happened? Why are you no longer together?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 07:13 AM
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Everything can be perceived as creepy and misogynistic... I just don't deal with those crazy people.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 07:12 AM
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Nothing is a joke in my flair :) No, i am not a typical red piller. I follow mating science, not what some dude thought he observed about female nature. Red pill is mating science for dummies and bros. It has core principles right, but lacks nuance, like thinking there is one way that fits all, instead of different mating strategies that are tailored to a personality (or rather, it's the other way around). It gets lost in a stupid gender war, in politics and moral values. It's not used to improv…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 07:09 AM
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I track women's cycle. They love it. They switched to just sharing their cycle-tracking app partner code with me, so i don't have to do the work myself. Why would a woman who is close to me NOT want me to know that her PMS-behavior is actually just that, PMS behavior, and not something i should be worried about? Why would she not want me to adjust to her cycle? Why would she not want me to know when she is cuddly or horny due to hormones?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 03:07 PM
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How many % of men are so unattractive to women, that they are unable to ever find a relationship? This is such a fringe niche. Nobody body people in the the echo chambers you talk about, even concern themselves with "who owes whom a relationship". We all have enough things to deal with in our own lives to be concerned about if it's justified to be upset for some fringe minority of men (and women). My view on the topic is: there are no people who are really unable to find a relationship partner. …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 02:53 PM
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Do you have any proof that there is a current epidemic of women having inflated egos?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 12:14 PM
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The hypergamy doesn't come from the fact they earn less no matter what, but from them looking forward to it. You'll hardly find them assort themselves with men who have had the same useless degrees or low end careers, they'll specifically target men more competitive than them and call it "assorted". Can you support these claims with anything? Studies are not evidences, I'd prefer hearing about your personal anecdotes than about studies. If you do not agree that anecdotes are an extremely bad inf…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 12:01 PM
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Why would you believe someones opinions if you have evidence they are wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 11:40 AM
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. They typically believe women are as mature as men 3 year older than them. Nobody thinks that. People in general tend to underrate the average man while overrating the average woman. Nobody rates men and women like that. Men's typical degrees require more intelligence and work than women's, and lead to higher salaries on average. IE "assortative" in education leads to "equal or higher" in intelligence and salary. So that's not a sign of hypergamy, that's a sign of "no matter how you pair up men…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 11:15 AM
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All traits have a positive and negative side. All trait expressions can be negative if expressed to a very high degree. I am interested in the wellbeing of others (in my social environment), to a degree, that i will deprioritize my own needs. I need everyone to get what they need, to a degree that i am super stressed, when i can't make that happen and there are conflicting needs in a social group. I am prefectionistic and strategically planned out to a degree, that short term changes to plans st…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 10:58 AM
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?! what has that to do with anything i said
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 06:46 PM
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sure, there are also red pillers who say the moon landing didn't happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 06:45 PM
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Those men are "worthy", because they do not replace their partners with younger versions just because they are more attractive or fertile. They are worthy, because they take care of their woman. They are worthy because they invest. You seem to have a weird understanding of what men are worthy for long term committed, family-oriented relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 03:50 PM
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There is no non-red pill dating advice that works. If anything, then the red pill doesn't yet know about it to an extent that it has trickled down into all heads and content creator's programs. If there is dating advice that works, it will be adopted into red pill. Red pill is not like your scripture. It's not claiming to be the end all be all, brought to you by a prophet. It's a work in progress and has no reason to not adopt things that work.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 03:35 PM
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i don't get your point. They are not more or less religious or virgins as their peers. Income doesn't make one cheat more or less on moral grounds. If anything, they cheat more because of options and opportunities.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 03:25 PM
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what do you have as a person that would make you a good partner? I am kind, altruistic, non-judgmental, reflected, confident, calm, stoic, rational, intelligent, resilient, emotionally intelligent, broadly interested, agreeable, trustworthy, reliable, generous, supportive, a great cook, enthusiastic, curious, open to experience, analytical, able to grant freedoms in a relationship that few men can, charming, modest, mentally healthy, well liked and trusted by a large social circle, content, happ…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 12:31 PM
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, but I doubt his good-enough threshold really increases much if at all. Your "good enough" threshold increases by watching hot girls on social media. It definitely increases when you are higher status and look better. People who improve WHILE in a relationship come to a point where they think "i can do better" and lose attraction to their current partner (not in every single case ofc). Especially as men pull larger degrees of their overall desirability, and therefor the mate value/quality they …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 09:01 AM
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Substitute "being taught" by "it's our biology".. .and i agree
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 08:45 AM
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Cheating for men is always a factor of options and opportunities. High class men have way more options and opportunities for cheating. Being better at keeping it to themselves might be a thing, but doesn't change the prevalence of cheating in this demographic.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 08:25 AM
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Just address the right subgroup and don'T generalize. YOu are the problem in this.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 08:19 AM
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i didn't say that
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 08:17 AM
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You think 6 figure people cheat less? :D
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 04:26 PM
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So where exactly is the evidence that "Cheating and casual sex is way more common than you realise"? How common is it? What is the prevalence? Your anecdotal evidence is not a basis for any truths about the rest of the population. What do you think we think about how common cheating is?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 04:25 PM
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Your initial claim seems very context, cohort, and time specific. I imagine the results would vary significantly once those two variables are changed. Of course. That's why i used the same context as in the claim: now and men, (in the US - that is assumed). No other restrictions. What is "romantic enjoyment"? Whatever people experience in their teenage years when they are in a romantic relationship for at least 11 months. I think we can assume they enjoyed that. are you one of the men who never …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 03:17 PM
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I don't know about orbiters of any of my "half-decent looking" female friends. How do you know it's obvious, when even i don't?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 03:10 PM
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And funny that men don't get "bicurious", only women, isn't it? That is not at all the topic. Be angry about something nobody claimed? You do you... Bi woman darling, I know there's a spectrum and I know there's a fucking lot more men on that "curiosity" spectrum than women..... You know nothing. You feel reality. Bring some evidence. Best available data: Men (Western populations, e.g., U.S., U.K., Germany): ~85–90% identify as 100% heterosexual ~2–5% identify as 100% homosexual ~5–10% fall in b…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 03:08 PM
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Alright, then we need some evidence to see who is right. It's weird how men are fine with accepting a man's word in his sexuality but won't a woman's. It's not about you at all. You might be straight and have had a husband who nagged until you gave in. That doesn't make your case the case for most women who agree to MFF threesomes. Key Findings from Empirical Research 1. Kinsey-Based Data Studies show that ~20–25% of women in the general population report same-sex attraction or behavior, and mos…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 02:41 PM
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Thanks, i'll add that to the sample count. Nothing changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 02:25 PM
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That's why i was waiting for OP to clear that up
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 02:22 PM
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Most men? 70%? "Committed"? Those studies would need to be scrutinized. Context matters. What is your basis to assume something different? You don't even look at those studies, you reject them by default, because you don't want to have your beliefs challenged. I already posted a screenshot from a study about teenagers and romantic relationships. How can you still claim that most men don't have romantic enjoyment? How about YOU present to us what you base your view of the world on so we can have …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 02:21 PM
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My claim is, that most women who agree to MFFs are not 100% straight. /edit: getting downvoted for a factual statement is wild to me. how much do you need this to not be true, to downvote a comment that contradicts what you believe? -> see evidence below
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 09:36 AM
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That is not in conflict with being into women to some degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 09:17 AM
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Where do you see that? Social media?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 08:14 AM
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Says the woman who is not interested in women? Imagine that most women who do MFF are into women to some degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 08:11 AM
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I don't prefer MMF, for the reason that i get nothing sexual out of interacting with men in groupsex. I also don't get turned on by another man fucking my gf. There is a tiny bit of pleasure in the fact that we are doing something unusual and from seeing or imagining how my gf enjoys two men. But there are a lot of things that need to be just right, with the other man, for it to be enjoyable. Group sex is such a delicate thing to maneuver. And on top of that, there is the male dominance hierarch…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 08:10 AM
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Theres nothing to argue about, if I'm pouring my energy onto a potential relationship my ideal partner would feel the same way as me. She does, but she also fucks another guy on the side, without puring any energy into it. Sure until its your 18yo daughter on there using that as her profile pic, chasing validation from grown ass men. I'd have no problem with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 07:54 AM
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I assume OP has a diagnosis by a professional.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 07:45 AM
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that's why we can approach the topic with empirical evidence. What does your reality look like? Is there something we can test with empirical studies?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 07:44 AM
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How do you know? How do you identify orbiters?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 07:43 AM
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Wait, you/the people who makes those claims need to prove that most men are doomed to a life of not knowing romantic enjoyment and that most women do have an aarmy of simps and orbiters. The burden of proof is on the people making the statements about what is going on. OP is not the one who invents these statements. Also 70% of men are in a committed romantic relationship right now. Plenty of studies show this for the past few years as a pretty stable statistic. Most men have romantic relationsh…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 07:42 AM
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You assume that being outside results in the same perceived reality in both groups.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 07:32 AM
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Everyone can always start with scientific books on human mating. Just to get the feel-good nonsense out of their system and to understand what really happens and what they need to become to be successful with their very own mating strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 07:30 AM
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Reality. What is reality? It's what you perceive. What you perceive is shaped by what your brain is "trained" on. As a physics major, your brain is trained on noticing and understanding, thinking about physics. You notice things in your life that others don't, because your brain perceives reality differently. Reality for you is probably shaped to a large degree by seeing physical laws and interactions play out. When you see a ball running across the street, you might think about speed, accelerat…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 07:27 AM
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Wait, you met his woman a couple of times, she threw heself at you, but despite being a virgin, you didn't want to have sex with her? Or is there something else going on with your virginity?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 07:05 AM
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None of the women that approach me for short term sexual relationships are in my league and that is perfectly reasonable. It's also somewhat preferable for me, i'd say. ONS are mainly for ego pushing anyway and having a woman absolutely obsessed with me does more of that, than having to deal with a half-interested woman in my league or above. Ideally, the "hotter than me"-women would be totally obsessed with me... but let's be realistic. Don't be concerned with age or location. Women can survive…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 06:58 AM
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So you're telling me a girl dressing almost naked gets treated the same as a woman dressed in business attire? No, i didn't say exactly the same. Regardless of presentation, women will get mostly approached by men for sex. You do not filter for LTR interests by dressing a specific way. So you rather go for attracting men, and taking the LTR interested from that group. You're telling me women have absolutely no agency on how to get the men they want? Ok. They do. They filter after doing a large n…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 11:40 AM
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Sure, a flat woman posts one bikini pic and all of a sudden she's very attractive to men or... She just looks easy as hell. The world is not about you, dude. She is perfectly fine with you not being attracted to her. Sure it gets men, but it's contradicting, if you claim you want a serious relationship, but signal sexual availability, guess what kind of attention you will get? That is not contradicting. Men want sexual availability no matter the relationship type. She gets attention for casual s…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 10:52 AM
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Maybe you should let ChatGPT also write the conclusions from your posts, instead of just the analysis of cherry picked things from social media.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 10:29 AM
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How much brain damage do you on a scale of 1-10? As i have a disease that slowly destroys my neurons, I'll likely be an 8 compared to the rest of the population. Can't really estimate what alcoholism or accidents contribute in terms of brain damage. Your interpretation of the title is not reflective of how you argue in the body of the post. So please answer my comment. Starting off to distrust could also mean with the immediate or long term goal to not trust women at all. We should teach men to …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 10:13 AM
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Why do some girls (the majority to tbh) state they want a serious relationship on their OLD profile but all of their pics look like they just want get dicked down? Because that is what gets men, regardless of if they want a serious relationship or a dicking down. Like how can you write on your profile "If you're looking for sex, swipe X (whichever way is no)" meanwhile I can see your pussy lips because your first picture is a mirror selfie where you're only wearing panties... Because wearing som…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 09:58 AM
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Men If You’re Struggling it’s Your Fault. No, but they are the issue and the reason for their struggling. Fault implies they could be different.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 09:47 AM
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Define what "disrespectful" is to you. Because this sub often understand disrespectful behavior to be: she doesn't do what i want. She doesn't change her life to cater to my insecurities. In that case, i'd choose the "disrespectful" woman and deal with my insecurities. I am a freedom loving person. I don't require people to do what i want.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 08:57 AM
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You only need self improvement if you are not happy with your current results. You also do not need to improve your appeal to women on EVERY level when you start improving. There is a reason why there are lots of teacher-teacher couples. Find your niche.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 08:55 AM
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No, it would be a relationship with a similarly undesirable woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 08:39 AM
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How autistic would you rate yourself on scale of 0-10? The world is not black and white. Neither trusting everyone nor distrusting everyone is going to result in the optimal outcome. But to navigate to the optimal action in each individual situation requires skills that some people are better at, some are worse at, and i imagine autists to have it extremely hard. Deception and deception detection are both evolved skills and are in an evolutionary arms race, as they are HIGHLY relevant for sexual…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 08:25 AM
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Sure, being the funniest man in the world is also attractive to women. But not required.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 08:16 AM
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Nobody denies that there are women how have same or higher sex drive as men. Stop fighting strawmen. Also biology is not always gonna be followed in one singular path way. Elaborate what you mean by that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 07:55 AM
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They are reliable. What is not reliable, are the conclusions you draw about the world from what your brain perceives
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 07:53 AM
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I wouldn't say that high-functioning autism/Asperger's "will very very likely result in being single forever". There are plenty of such guys in relationships. I also didn't and wouldn't say that. I'm single because none of the women who wanted me so far met my incredibly niche religious & political standards Cleverly worded to self-delude you into thining it's not because of autism. Why do you have incrediblly niche religious and political standards? Because of autism. You think you could NOT ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 07:51 AM
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That boy scouts opened to women in order to stop them from dying.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 07:49 AM
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you don't need to support a family single-handedly today.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 07:43 AM
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That is not contradicting. Those men were more attrractive on one side and less attractive on another, for different traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 07:42 AM
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Who wants to find a new relationship in their 50’s and beyond when you’re likely just getting into someone’s cancer and other health issue stricken period of life? That implies it's also very likely that your current partner is getting into that health issues period of their life. So what's the difference? At least you could end the relationship with a current health issues partner and look for a non-current-health-issues partner. Is it not better to weather those storms with a partner who has a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 07:40 AM
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How is it rational to have 2 ex wives and a child, with that world view/view about yoursefl?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 07:30 AM
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Why SHOULD the local autistic guy without money or a passport do good?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 07:22 AM
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Why and how is "society" "violent" towards boys?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/25 07:15 AM
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Where is your critical thinking here? Highly unlikely that this was really my thought process when deciding on a username. Way more likely, that i just looked around and saw my washing machine display "Schleudern" at 1400 RPM. Why would you believe such a nonsense story from a guy who has "manipulative" in his flair? Don't believe things just because you like them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 12:45 PM
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I had to diet to an almost obsessive degree, I work out very regularly and smartly and I have ditched a lot of nerdy hobbies and built up a social circle and secured my own home and a lasting career. their unremarkable father and uncles and older brothers simply existed and landed a woman. An average grandfather in his late 20s-30s wasn't fat, didn't have nerdy hobbies, had a social circle, a home, a career/stable job and regular physical exercise in his life. If that is simply existing, that wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 12:39 PM
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Schleudergang is the spin cycle of a washing machine in German. 1400 is one of the settings for how many revolutions per minute the spin cycle does. 1400 being on the higher end, indicative of high dryness, but also wrinkeled laundry. I picked that name intentionally. Because my comments are dry and result in wrinkeled foreheads.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 11:03 AM
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Autists care less about following social convention than non-autists. Agreed, that is what studies show. But that doesn't meen it's a 100% to 0% difference, and that it can be used to explain away alone all the difference in marriage stats. Also, people don't marry for social convention as a main motivation. Social convention-based motives (social validation, meeting family/friends’ expectations) are cited by about 20–30% of people as important but rarely as the primary reason. Yes, please, look…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 10:48 AM
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Look at how many people go into relationships thinking that "this relationship will last" "this will be a wonderful relationship and not toxic at alll".... and then see how it turns out. We are biologically setup to fall in love and go for relationships, despite objective issues that will affect long term happiness. That is not what evolution selected for.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 10:35 AM
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They don't have a choice. It's like asking drug addicts why they do it if they know it's bad for them
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 10:15 AM
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Consider that you are wrong and US and European women also enjoy being cute and goofy with their boyfriends. Just because your observation of American men being a certain way, doesn't mean that women expect that, or that they are limited to this type. it's way more likely, that the men you saw just preferred that way of being, for whatever reasons. Maybe because of the manosphere brainwashing men to think they need to be that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 10:02 AM
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Yeah sure, most relationships are bad. Especially those of people who "cannot" reject bad matches. They have a reason why they don't reject bad matches: because they think being in that relationship will be better than not being in that relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 09:59 AM
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Well, you said it: if someone believes it's about "luck", they keep playing the lottery and hope for jackpot. People who realize it has nothing to do with luck, when you have a sufficiently high number of repetitions, work on their underlying probability to hit the jackpot, instead of just increasing repetitions further, when 10 years of playing the lottery has not yielded in a win.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 09:50 AM
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That is an argument for what? You just said with that example that it's not important to have nonchalant masculine body language to have a girlfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 09:16 AM
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Or maybe it has more to do with... being a westerner in the Philippines. The women get the ick just as much, but being 5'9 and white and having money and a passport is just so much more attractive in the Philippines than in the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 09:05 AM
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Or maybe it's the lacking ability to read social cues... something that is of utmost importance in relationships..
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 09:02 AM
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How are the boy scouts relevant to OP as a grown man?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 08:59 AM
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How is red pill a male only space? You see all the red pill labeled women in here?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/25 08:55 AM
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