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Purge Week!SecondHandMatron/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 11:33 AM
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Speak for yourself, I'm hoping for 520 years. I don't smoke. Occasionally eat kale.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/21 11:47 AM
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Almost 'art by accident'.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/21 11:43 AM
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This is the basis for the sex appeal in "Good Will Hunting". I think it might be shifting in gen z, but I'm not sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/21 10:45 PM
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This is true in my experience. The most prestigious thing we could do was to score high "without even studying."
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/21 10:42 PM
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The baseline behavior between men is not abusive per say but rather dismissive/indifferent, and increasingly towards lower ranking men. Women are generally both more covert and more contemptuous. Among men, only the incels (maybe not all) will display this behavior towards women. It is the baseline behavior for low ranking men, but directed towards women. For a low ranking man, every instance in society is dismissive, and indifferent or contemptuous towards them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/21 09:11 PM
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Remember to acknowledge your privilege before you assume that a man is entitled because he wants what you have gotten to have so easily Vast majority of 21 year old women believe that they have great interpersonal skills - definitely better than any of their male peers. They believe they would be great in careers where they get to "work with people". HR, communications, social media. Their experience of living in this world informs them of this. It is near impossible for them to not believe this…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/21 08:40 PM
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The incels who "give up" are interesting in many ways. Because they have no hope, they see and treat most women in a similar way to how they treat other men. And they treat other men, generally, like how they themselves are treated. This thought should give women some insight of the magnitude of their privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/21 08:34 PM
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It's sun and diet that make white people age. Most white people live too close to the equator nowadays. In heavily wooded areas far north, we age like other races.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/21 10:54 AM
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"Attitude-issues" in combination with low competence is in my interpretation a consequence of entitlement and "demotion" or denied access and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/21 10:08 AM
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Don't know them too well, but they are not motivated by trying to cover for something. They don't need to use competence as a way of feeling deserving of respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 03:37 PM
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I always knew it. Slut suspicion and slut defense is bred into us.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/21 03:22 PM
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Skill is only party of it. I agree that people can learn to behave socially confident. Some people don't let themselves do this without feeling accomplished. They don't feel "entitled" to behave confidently before they reach some level of achievement. And if they lose their job, they feel will unworthy again. Some people felt entitled already as dumb useless teenagers. These are usually more successful with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 08:08 PM
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confident in that competency He is confident in the competency, but it doesn't make him feel deserving of anything particular. He will argue confidently over technical points, but let himself be taken for granted in his career. "Confidence in ability" is never what is meant in these discussions. Confidence generally means "feeling deserving of respect and good things in life". It would be better to use self-esteem.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 07:16 PM
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It seems you don’t want to give them that competency? I think I want to see deliberate control before I call it competency. a hot shot corporate lawyer who’s extremely competent at his job will find himself externally validated by folks who aren’t even lawyers. We'd have to find a person who starts out with low confidence first. Confidence here translates to "feeling deserving". For various reasons, I don't believe external validation affects this. It seems fixed in the bones. Guys usually feel …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 06:51 PM
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highly competent in interpersonal relations and reading people. The people I know with the best interpersonal relations are not the best readers of people. They are friendly and pleasant to be around, but rather ignorant about the complexities and "darkness" of human lives. They have blind spots, they miss and misinterpret signals, which all in all make them pleasant people. It also means that they are sometimes less effective than sociopaths would be. If they are lucky, they can have very pleas…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 04:50 PM
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A ritual is something overtly meaningless, like lighting candles or throwing coins in a pond, that is performed in order to achieve something unrelated - like good luck. Hugging or greeting are not rituals.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 04:30 PM
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In all my experience, a man's confidence is "set in his bones" in his teens, at the latest. Then he spends the rest of his life compensating. Guys with high confidence tend to develop less competence. All high competence people I've met and known have deep deficiencies in self-esteem that they are trying to cover for. The worst you can accuse these people of is being stupid or "a fake". Men with early confidence don't care at all. They are usually much more successful with women. Most people are…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 04:21 PM
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I'm not sure either way. Simps also have the idea that they are helping the woman, and they feel responsible for the safety and comforts in her life. Technically they might be correct. It's like they want to keep her from being a real stripper, prostitute, or doing porn to "save her". This perspective is what makes most sense in my mind. If neither the guys or the woman have any realistic chance of real relationships, is it really a bad thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 04:02 PM
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This perspective is valid, but also not relevant. It's like codependency. Both parties have mutual responsibility for the shit relationship they create. An autist would think ending the relationship would solve the problem. In reality, they don't experience it as a problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 03:45 PM
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There are nuances. Some of the women are equally socially awkward and overwhelmed by interactions, particularly real world flirting. It becomes a substitute for irl relationships for them too and they become addicted to the attention and even the emotional support. All parties are responsible for each other in these situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/21 03:35 PM
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It will probably be at least 50% of the generation born after say 2010.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/21 10:11 PM
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Enjoy these clips now before they censor Simpsons.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/21 10:06 PM
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they hate working Guys never say this. They hate their jobs and their bosses, but they love to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/21 06:40 PM
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You don't marry them.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/21 06:32 PM
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The penis is a broach. This is not a tool women would be familiar with. It is true they wear out, like all tools.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/21 09:34 AM
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My dick will become black if I masturbate excessively, you say. Hm.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/21 09:09 AM
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There is information missing. How many messages in total are sent by men and women? It's likely that vast majority of messages are sent by men. That means the entire female curve is sent by the lower half of females (top females only need to respond), and represents a small fraction of all messages. QED.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/21 03:16 PM
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Intimacy doesn't imply sex, but it is usually necessary. When one partner refuses sex, it is usually seen as rejection or punishment. Maybe it is odd that humans need intimacy. Many things in nature are odd.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 09:44 PM
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The experience of life without intimate relationships feels empty and meaningless. It feels like waiting for "real life" to begin, which is what most single people are hoping and waiting for. I believe a turning point occurs when enough people realize they are waiting for nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 08:53 PM
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Anxiety inducing shame, stigma, the ensuing depression and the everlasting identity as incel.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 08:28 PM
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I couldn't help but read this is in the voice of Selma Bouvier. It sounded great. Worth a million upvotes, but this is all I have.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 08:16 PM
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If the top 20% guys have 80% of the sex, it's inevitable that a random woman would think the average penis size is between 6-7 inches. It's best to just to be honest. If you're worried what women think about your penis, you are already average or below. That means sex is an unlikely contingency either way, so stop worrying about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 07:50 PM
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A man is never offered a BJ with penis unseen.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 07:38 PM
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You being a single mother doesn't affect their legacy at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 07:35 PM
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This is what I'm saying. Soon there will be selective abortion or IVF to only have daughters.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 07:34 PM
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... They see only failure. So why should they contribute, they think? Soon this problem will become so palpable that couples will worry about having sons. In some circles, I think it's already a thing. Maybe in the first decade after selective IVF starts becoming common and awareness grows, there will be policy changes and culture will start to shift. I can't visually how it will play out. Three things might happen before a societal wtf moment: IVF to select female embryos A big enough cohort of…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 07:18 PM
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I think the major change point happened in the last 10 years, for obvious reasons. Marriages are becoming rare. Happiness for single men that are not casually dating is declining.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 06:56 PM
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Social skills is a tiny part of the puzzle.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 06:33 PM
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It's not a revenge fantasy, it's simple statement of facts. Redditors don't really speak for incels, and overwhelming majority of actual incels would never openly identify as such. The incels I know are typically engineers and creative types with with "meaningless" and unfulfilling social lives. They build your car engine ICUs, game apps, and watch over the transatlantic cables that carries your instagrams. They don't care about what "incel" means, but they've heard it's a form of insult. If the…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 06:04 PM
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Rightfully so. A woman without intentions to have children is as valuable to society as a man that isn't invested in the future. Both are rightfully stigmatised. A woman is even worse since she still benefits from all the privileges.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 10:37 AM
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I'll have Kristen Bell. I think she looks the cutest, but she shows the least amount of skin. I don't know her breast size or otherwise. I think Ronda Rousey looks OK, but what happens to her metabolism when she stops training? The others looked "too much" for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 09:55 AM
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Gen z have some things in common with millenials, some things are different. It seems all gen z guys act like the shy and nerdy millenials. Since there are no counter examples, it sets the expectation of what is normal and "what works."
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 06:12 AM
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cold approaching is when a woman is with her friends Always been true, but it is better because it demonstrates more courage, she feels less creeped out, and she feels special and "chosen". You approach the entire group, not just one person. ​ time was reserved for their friends, Never happened in older generations.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/20 05:52 AM
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Retiring porn stars should not expect careers as news anchors or journalists. Who is surprised?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/20 11:00 PM
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MRC-5 (Medical Research Council) cell strain 5) is a diploid cell culture line composed of fibroblasts, originally developed from the lung tissue of a 14-week-old aborted Caucasian male fetus.[1][2] The cell line was isolated by J.P. Jacobs and colleagues in September 1966 from the seventh population doubling of the original strain, and MRC-5 cells themselves are known to reach senescence in around 45 population doublings
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/20 08:29 PM
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Like someone who has never played sports or held a ball: "wtf stop running in circles and just throw the ball in the basket lol" A social circle is the result and marker of high value. The only meaningful advice to men is: make yourself high value. Work out, dress well, be pleasant. But even then there isn't much to hope for.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/20 10:17 AM
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The reason the social circles for women 40+ shrinks to nothing is not because they forget to maintain them. It's because the value of being in these social circles is low. The reason every college age girl has a larger social circle than she can maintain is because the high value of being in these circles. If you are not already in a social circle, it's very unlikely you are welcome in any circle. "Develop a strong social circle" is about as meaningful advice as saying to a person starving in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/20 12:18 AM
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Yes Extremely low self-esteem due to being excluded from friend groups, and probably my mother's personality disorders. I wasn't shy or ugly. I couldn't understand how someone could like me, so I fundamentally viewed relationships as a type of performance. I still have this problem. I understand now that there was nothing I could have done. Which is liberating.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 10:45 PM
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An alpha widow is a woman who has been the toy of alpha men, but not in committed relationships. Her experiences have accustomed her expectations to sex, intimacy, and sometimes public displays of companionship with alpha men. It means she can not get sexually aroused by average men, and she feels ashamed being seen with them in public. If she is forced to settle into a relationship with an average man, she thinks she is selling herself short and doing the man a favor. Throughout the relationshi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 05:22 PM
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This is what I'm saying. An alpha widow is the female equivalent of a limp porn-sick guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 04:51 PM
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Yes. Hence this advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/20 08:52 AM
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There is support for men that have built support networks. Not really. Male networks evaporate under pressure. They fill a need of distraction from stress and so on, but there is no capacity to make sacrifices when there are real needs. Actually, support networks don't really exist for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/20 08:58 PM
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men and women have it equally bad. I don't see how you can believe this. Women can still find people who will listen and care. This is a clear difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/20 08:44 PM
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So is this whole post, and your original comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/20 08:38 PM
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I'm not claiming to be oppressed. There is nothing anyone can do about this. What triggers me is not showing compassion for people who so plainly obviously have it the worst.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/20 08:31 PM
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Of course you talked to people. Otherwise you would have been completely isolated to the point of either starving or stealing food. Or you were kept inside an isolated cell. You might not have had friends or any casual social conversations. This is not uncommon. To a guy, without battering an eye, we say: no one gives a shit about your sob stories, your depression, loneliness, or your "lost years". There is nothing we can do. You can choose to man up, or you can choose to find somewhere to rot. …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/20 08:18 PM
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I might agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/20 08:03 PM
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Sounds like standard HS experience for nerdy type guys, with the exception that there is no support network and hardly any friends waiting for them at any point in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/20 07:58 PM
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Not really.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/20 07:30 PM
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There is no conceivable support for men; if they are not providing value they are expected to die somewhere out of sight. Women need no effort to have support. Every healthy adult male is part of a fertile woman's support network. Lonely elderly women might have it slightly worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/20 06:21 PM
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Concur.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/20 06:15 PM
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A person with food stains on their shirt probably has bad table manners. The food stains might or might be the cause of these bad manners (it doesn't matter how you make sense of that). It's the bad manners themselves once they have been established. The usual counter argument is something like "hello? have you heard of washing machines?" It's true the stains causes disgust but the main problem is the person and their manners.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/20 06:08 PM
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To know who we should avoid.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/20 05:43 PM
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Causation or correlation doesn't matter in this case. Correlation is all we need.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/20 05:29 PM
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The n-counts of women wouldn't change, but the n-counts of men would be more even with the same distribution as for women. That would make men more forgiving. I don't think the fixation on n-count among men would be affected as such. It's the expectation that it's the job of a low n-count man to support a high n-count wife that pisses men off.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 10:52 AM
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That's not right. Consider gays. The effective reward is meaningful relationships and intimacy, not "sex" per say (which is freely available to them).
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 10:43 AM
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If contraception worked, it would be like the world of gays: Effortless sex for almost anyone who wants Equality between partners People who want relationships are more discriminate and they have relationships It would probably be great.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 10:40 AM
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You are confusing red pill with inceldom. And what you are saying are just meaningless moral pronouncements of what you think the world should be. Your understanding of anything has to be able to explain all the observations and details. Then you can offer advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/20 10:26 AM
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It's awful! Women really need to stop doing porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/20 12:36 PM
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Are they really shocked and offended? It seems it's the slutty Beckies that are shocked and offended.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 12:00 PM
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Dunking is for idiots. It's like an 18-year old trying to boost his ego by playing against 13 year olds. Such a disservice to let women think this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/20 11:57 AM
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What they are saying is roughly that lonely people have stronger inner mental function since they "spend more time with themselves": Lonely individuals display stronger functional communication in the default network, and greater microstructural integrity of its fornix pathway. The findings fit with the possibility that the up-regulation of these neural circuits supports mentalizing, reminiscence and imagination to fill the social void.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 04:56 PM
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A new study of almost 40,000 adults has found that the brains of lonely people differ from those of people who are not lonely, in significant and detectable ways. This loneliness “signature” consists of variations in the volume of different brain regions, and the way those brain regions communicate. And these variations may be related to the typical thinking patterns of lonely people, which include for example higher than average amounts of reminiscence and imaginary conversations. https://www.p…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 01:35 PM
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People don't seem to understand what's going on in this interaction. That guy is not guaranteed anything. A guy going home with a chick like that broadcasts that he is desperate. It makes him look weak in eyes of hotter chicks, which in a way serves to boost their egos and entitlement. That's partly why the girl's friends are rejoicing. What will kill the interaction is awkwardness later on, unless they're both very drunk.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/20 12:57 PM
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He is fat. It is true that fat looks worse on men, but that is besides the point. He can still exercise and lose the weight. There is no equivalent for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 06:11 PM
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You can't tell me that there are any 30-40 year old men out there that looked as good as they did at 20. Ehm you don't know what 20 and 35 year old men look like. At 20, we were basically little scrawny boys. We might have been cute in a Bieber sense, but having real shoulders, confident eyes, and stubble beard is a different thing. Johnny Depp was probably at about the same attractiveness at 25 and 35. He looked less spry and innocent, and stronger and more confident. The basic rule applies; me…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/20 06:04 PM
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But to complicate matters not so smart women who think they're educated are the worst. This is what I wanted to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/20 09:11 PM
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Or delete facebook.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/20 02:39 PM
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You realize these two statements are mutually exclusive, right? No, that's correct. Truffle is highly in demand, but irrelevant to most people trying to cook dinner. The idea with this argument is to teach people to cook with what they have, not fantasize about things they can't afford. Improving at something does not need to encompass failure in order to succeed. There are far fewer HVM than women who believe they have a shot. Inevitably, most of them will fail. If your only goal at all is a LT…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/20 01:42 PM
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That's mostly right.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/20 01:13 PM
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I agree that HVM are the most in demand. As a group, they are entirely irrelevant to the women in these subs and on reddit who are looking for LTRs. The optimal strategy is to develop your partner filtering skills, and in general to improve your relationship potential as an individual. I agree that this is good, but it is not optimal on its own. Most women who only pursue this will ruin their SMV by being spoiled, pumped-and-dumped, and embittered. Making medium-value men wait is optimal because…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/20 12:57 PM
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In other words, what you are saying is that there is nothing pump-and-dump women can do to improve themselves in order to have better relationships. I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/20 12:45 PM
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Also, for the top tier of men all of their choices are of high value. This line of argument is only intended to make women here feel low-value, and the truth (of course) is that they are far from top 5-10%. Also true for men here. Making men wait is the optimal strategy for women, because 90% of women can only hope to have LTRs with men who don't have abundance. Few men can experience abundance.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/20 12:22 PM
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High value men are off the market for LTRs for 95% of women. Basing a strategy on achieving something that's near impossible is dumb. The actual strategy is to let OK-value men believe they are high value, and implicitly making them commit by investing time. For the 75-90% of women that are OK-value, this is the best they can hope for. From their perspective, they are maxxing the value of the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/20 12:12 PM
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Hit the gym, get a degree, get a career. Honestly, men only care if they're fit. Degrees can make women argumentative, and make them feel they need to defend their egos at every meaningless moment. Huge turn-off. I'll add: women don't care what is right, they only care about winning an argument they've somehow made themselves stakeholders in. Men (particularly with science degrees) generally only care about what's right.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/20 11:58 AM
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You are describing a woman who needs to work on herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/20 11:52 AM
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The red pill says "improve yourself or shut up". It acknowledges that many (if not most) men are losers by default. Quoting statistics is not "doing a study" and marriage statistics is not an account of what men or women prefer. The men who get married at ~30 are the most desirable not counting the top 10% who can "spin plates". Altogether, these are still fewer than 50% of men. The men who marry at 35+ are generally either loser BBs or retiring plate spinners. These statistics contain no valuab…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/20 11:39 AM
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It says men who have options exercise them, and post-wall women are out-of-luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/20 10:03 AM
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The article supports reluctantly_red's view. It describes typical red pilled statistics but makes almost autistic conclusions about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/20 08:32 AM
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You're talking about a statistic that can't be measured until 10 years into the future. A lot has changed in dating in the last 10 years, and it's only getting worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/20 08:18 AM
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Guys who are now depressed/not getting laid in high school are unlikely to have girlfriends at any point. The places and opportunities that existed 20 years ago for these guys do not exist anymore, or are disappearing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 05:56 PM
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The generation of children being born now will either be coddled iv-babies to a few western couples marrying too late, or they are second-generation immigrants. These will have opposing visions of what the world should be. Difficult to say how it will play out.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/20 04:27 PM
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But I guarantee that if I were to meet some incels in real life, none of them would be even remotely close to charming or confident and it would take miracles to flip them. There is a video on youtube of an incel who is fat with bad hair. He was speaking with some people behind a screen. He was quite charming. At least one of the women seemed charmed by him. Meet a lot of guys, some of these guys will be friends with gals and introduce you. This is not how it works. People segment their friends.…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/20 07:18 PM
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My source is the first reported Google result.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/20 07:07 PM
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I'm guessing those are hormone suppressors, which will fuck up guys in other ways. Hair transplant might be considered a sort of treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/20 07:03 PM
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Google says average height for washington state is 5'10". Women perceive average height to be slightly above the actual average. This means most women would see him as short, and slightly fewer men would think that.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/20 06:56 PM
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There are no treatments for balding.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/20 06:52 PM
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I don't know. Tipping isn't customary where I live, so I would feel no guilt for not tipping go-to-boxes.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/20 06:40 PM
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Post-fact rationalization and halo effect. He was made to look his best in pictures, but he was short and unfit, and unhealthy looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/20 09:45 AM
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Kurt Cobain was 5'9". This is true for most musicians, since the practice and work is thankless and requires motivation and discipline, which feels like a waste to a teenager who is getting laid. So the ones who end up with enough skill and talent are not chads. Ed Sheeran another example.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/20 09:40 AM
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Do you think that being hit by creeps makes life easier? Being "hit on" means you were considered special enough to receive special treatment in all areas. Relative to guys, yes, your life was easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/20 09:28 AM
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Yes, I think tipping is ugly. It says to the waiter: "your job isn't valuable enough, so here are some gifts. Look at a what a big guy I am." And when wages are adjusted for tip, that's awful. I agree with you exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/20 09:23 AM
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A job is done in exchange for money. The pay should be commensurate with the value of the work done. If the work would still be done without pay, then it is not a job. It doesn't matter what feelings people have about the job. Paying someone anything but the value of the work is a disfavor to them. A gift is given without obligations or expectations or reciprocation. Mixing these two things cheapens what it means to do work and be professional. It's like nepotism. There might be better words for…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/20 09:09 AM
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Mutual understanding between the genders is not a meaningful goal. A large portion of men and women in each generation, maybe even the majority, will fail to form fulfilling relationships. Most of these will blame the opposite gender for this. Whether justified or not, this prevents mutual understanding. Q.E.D.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/20 01:40 AM
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In the second paragraph of the section titled "Edit 1", it seems you agree with my reply, but then again you state "biology doesn't dictate ...". This is obviously a strawman. No one is letting biology dictate the purpose of their lives against their will. Such a person would be ridiculous. What is happening is that people are explaining their wishes, urges, instincts with biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/20 02:18 PM
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I can't find it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/20 11:56 AM
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You are correct in some autistic sense. Biology doesn't specifically tell you to not torture animals, poison the water, and commit suicide. The point with appealing to nature is about "what works". You're free to try your own ideas, but they are almost certainly unsustainable and will cause misery.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/20 11:34 AM
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Go will have to go to ratemyface.gov . They will be contracting a bunch of angry redditors so it will be purely scientific.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/20 10:31 AM
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The government should tax sugar, carbohydrates, and junk food out of the market. And don't whine about freedom. America is not "the land of the free". Public drinking is already illegal.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 09:13 AM
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I've seen advertisement for a rubber ball that you're supposed to bite on. It's supposed to help with beauty. Maybe subsidize that for certifiably ugly people.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 09:08 AM
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No ...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/20 08:53 AM
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Tips when reading unscientific materials; Understand who is writing, and who is it for what are their beliefs what are their stakes The content doesn't really matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 05:29 PM
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Elderly women and grandmas are what they are. The point is that women in tribes today don't look "haggard by 30". The main issue is exposure to sun which destroys the skin. The point with inuit, maasai and mongolians is that they live off their animals. They get perfect nutrition.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 05:13 PM
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Ok
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 05:03 PM
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it was probably much worse People today prefer to eat wheat croissants and durum pasta. Not because it healthy, but because it is "good". The roman life style might have been unhealthy but still enviable.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 01:28 PM
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No photographs from antiquity.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 12:14 PM
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Women from eskimo or inuit tribes, mongolian nomads, maasai tribes and so on suggest otherwise. Slaves in urban areas that subsisted on grains might fit your description, but this represents a relatively small time period.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 11:59 AM
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22 is a much better age than 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 11:31 AM
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the quantity of men that abandon their wife or girlfriends with kids to raise, at least in my country Where is this?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 11:29 AM
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I suspect this is biased temporary blindness. You'd have to support this with data.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 11:18 AM
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the people who failed more classes were also 80% men Depending on where you go, failing CS classes has nothing to do with talent or capacity. It is entirely due to mental health. That's why in some cases, the same individuals are in both the top and the bottom depending on "season" and other factors. And your observations sound very familiar to me. Women are more consistent, and much less affected by this.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/20 11:05 AM
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so if the boys got a 10/10 in those subjects, the girls would get 9/10. This might happen, but in the math-heavy classes used to be ~70% boys anyway. And high school doesn't really matter. Where I went to high school, the people with depression were all boys, and it was a tough handicap. When you get to the really nerdy shit in university and professionally, the scale of performance is exponential. The top people are always guys, and they are a magnitude above average. Few women are above averag…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/20 10:38 AM
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“affirmative” action huh? 70% of high school valedictorians are women. whose point are you trying to prove?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/20 10:31 AM
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If you went on a first date with a woman and she started telling you about the time she was raped, what would you think? I would appreciate that she let me know things like this. Sometimes, people even start with these things, because it's unfair to hide them for too long. "Oh, I should let you know that blah blah ..." Given that someone is sharing (inappropriately or not), as a listener you've ended up as some sort of confidant. Generally, we show empathy and validate their feelings. Whether we…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/20 05:12 PM
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You are probably right.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/20 04:19 PM
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We are just speaking from different reference frames. Nowadays, almost every single guy I know is sad and lonely. We act engaging, funny and energetic as a service to each other, not because we feel particularly good. Of course therapy would be good for many, but most guys are not broken people, they just have unfulfilling lives. This sounds like one guy who either was tired and honest for once, or he is naive about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/20 04:10 PM
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This is probably the best sentence on this sub today: More importantly it tells me that he has poor emotional hygiene. Guys who are sad and lonely do not deserve our empathy. They deserve our disgust. Poor emotional hygiene!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/20 03:25 PM
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Truthfully, the guy does sound emotionally starved, and he should not expect women to empathize. This is the point that needs to get across. In all relationships with women, men need to make themselves the resource. If he is emotionally starved, he needs to mentally work his way out of that before going on a date. In the PUA days, this would have been called "state management". It means; in the hours before the date, change your mental state into something that the woman likes. With music, physi…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/20 03:08 PM
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No, it does not depend on the woman. Allowed emotions are: Sadness if your dog or cat dies. A few tears are allowed, but don't make any sounds. Other inconsequential similar things. You may not take on or show emotions on someone else's behalf. No crying over polar bears. No grief or mulling over your friends if they are in tough times. A woman considers sacrifices you make on someone else's behalf as liabilities, which means she might require you to break your promises. Women see men in terms o…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/20 02:25 PM
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... and then you told your friends on the internet about your triumphant rejection. High five!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/20 02:09 PM
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I think it's sweet of you to present this perspective, but the whole point is that beta guys don't have social networks that connect them with women. The alphas and women in social networks make sure their worlds never collide with the betas.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/20 08:53 PM
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No, there is no place or time for a beta to talk to any woman. You have to learn to fake alpha behavior by lifting, dressing, game, and disarming women by learning to see them for what they are. TRP is right on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/20 08:46 PM
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The guy you are describing is not average. He sounds like a textbook alpha or Chad. The whole point is that average girls do not fuck average guys. There is no claim anywhere that Chad is exclusively fucking Stacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/20 08:37 PM
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He's saying women are OK with being in harems as long as they believe they are #1.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/20 08:11 PM
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They were usually abused in some way before becoming sex workers, in childhood or adolescence. Basically, they entered adulthood with the dreaded "thousand cock stare", before ever having had real relationships. They are not in the running for LTR:s. It's tragic. In some ways they are the female equivalents of guys who were taught to self-identify as losers in childhood. They are not in the running for any relationships either. Incels, if you will.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/20 07:53 PM
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From her perspective, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/20 01:06 PM
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True also for millenials.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/20 12:42 PM
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Women think in logarithmic/exponential scales. For example: "80% of men are below average."
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/20 12:37 PM
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For them to have a significantly different experience than millenials or gen x, they would have needed HD novelty hardcore porn from age 8-9. Gen x and millenials typically got hold of porn either on vhs or internet at puberty.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/20 12:23 PM
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As for violent sex: this could all just be young slutty girls who are just discovering that their life choices don't afford them Disney-princess experiences. They then turn to support groups to help convince themselves that they are unaccountable and victims. Young guys with "ED" is not strange at all, if it's the first time and they are nervous. it's always been like this. Porn is affecting the expectations of girls as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/20 12:11 PM
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subjecting her to depraved acts Never ever accountable for anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/20 12:02 PM
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That's probably true, but it's none the less troubling.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/20 09:57 PM
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and they managed to retain most of their manufacturing industry while the west shipped it all off to China) No, we're in some ways better, in some ways worse. They still have more people employed in mom-and-pop shops and restaurants. I'm guessing younger people don't want to take over because low status, low pay, and long hours. Western teenagers learn to socialize in team sports, house parties, and drinking. I believe western teenage drinking is an important factor in "social confidence". As lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/20 04:15 PM
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The girls fapping on Omegle for adult men aren't thinking about men? ... This is real and exists. Women here would never admit it. It reveals a reality about female sexuality that is ... troubling. It is a problem for so many reasons. And it is linked with the core issues on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/20 03:59 PM
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There's a reason why the mortality rate amongst 15yo mothers is so high I suspect the state of health care in the countries supplying most of the data for this also contributes to this statistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 11:39 PM
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Teenage boys get easily aroused, and teenage girls are more fertile, and of course they are bad parents. Appealing to "nature" is meaningless here.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 11:36 PM
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looked like obvious kids playing adult Yes, I know this, but it is from behavior, tone and cadence in voice, language, and so on. It is not because of body shape.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 11:12 PM
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But most 16 - 17 yos I see in real life still look like children. Not really. This is the age range of many "teen moms". Psychologically they are children for sure, but many have adult bodies. There are also adult women with "petite" bodies that are almost identical to some younger teenagers. Are you going to say these look like children, and forbid them from having sex? When it comes to body shape, it is true that age is a number, and I think all men can be aroused by "hebes" depending on circu…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 11:07 PM
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What is sexually arousing depends on exposure and some other weird factors. People who have watched porn that they where simultaneously disgusted by understand. Attraction is not the same thing as arousal. The question of age of consent has to do with the psychological damage of sex to teenagers. It has nothing to do with how arousing teenage girls are. It is true that adult guys don't know much about teenage girls, other than what they remember from when they teenagers themselves. This is proba…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 10:54 PM
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Whatever your job is, I expect you to do it as well as I am doing my job. Otherwise, I am implicitly agreeing that my success is luck and yours is bad luck. Gift giving is completely different.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 09:05 AM
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I don't expect people to be murderers. This seems like mental disorder and psychopathy. However, the guys who are able to effortlessly attract the interest of women are often slightly narcissistic and grandiose. Most normal women are intrigued by that flair and appearance of confidence. When guys like this don't get the affirmation and admiration they expect, they can turn sour. As guys, we understand that confidence is demonstrated by being unafraid to expose weaknesses, not by masking with emp…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 08:57 AM
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This is the 12-step plan. It is spirituality-focused so these subs might be the wrong demo. It primarily helps alcoholics turn their lives around, but it is useful for people with all sorts of addictions. The joke is that FDS members sound like recovering addicts that are refusing the key steps of introspection, accountability, and amends. Addiction is a sort of "bug" in humans. Looking closely at these steps can give some insights into how people work.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/20 08:37 AM
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This is just hypothetical because women will never date lower ranking men. But let's consider that women prefer to phrase it as "men are insecure and intimated by me" when the really mean "I don't respect lower ranking men". What does that say about women?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/20 05:02 PM
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I would hesitate to do it on a non-LTR woman if I didn't know her for a long time. Guys understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/20 01:04 PM
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Could be bad hygiene.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/20 12:51 PM
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If these descriptions of FDS are true, it sounds like recovering alcoholics that are refusing to take accountability and are still blaming everyone else. I think they should create a the Twelve-Step for Alpha Widows: We admitted we were powerless over our behaviour - that our lives had become unmanageable. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood God. Made a searching an…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/20 12:26 PM
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Alpha widows are like men with porn-induced ED who then complain that the world is unfair when they are cut off from porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/20 08:02 AM
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I think they should write articles, books, and speak in schools about their bad choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/20 05:15 AM
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Or not. It's like a vendor whose ice cream has all melted saying "well then I guess you'll have to buy melted cream". Vast majority of guys have stricken out repeatedly all their life. It doesn't change with age, and finding harmony with being single is not too difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/20 04:45 AM
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You would just be part of a large dump of data. They don't care about you at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/20 01:12 PM
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They can, for example, publish your tinder history and nude photos on the dark web, to be forever available to all who know how to find it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/20 12:26 PM
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I think we can count Edward Snowden and Chelsea Manning to early examples of what this might look like for UMC backgrounds. Antifa rioters are another example. So no, of course it won't be militias.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/20 12:24 PM
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Yes? There are places like you describe and this is exactly what happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/20 12:16 PM
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It depends. If you are younger than 30, you can still go for man with potential and a promising career trajectory. You will get much more leverage out of your looks, and there is a risk/reward payoff. The typifying example would be Zuckerberg's now wife. If you are older than 30, the youngest man you can find needs to already be in a good career. Because these are low-risk, they are "priced" close to their value. That means you get exactly what you "pay" for in youth and looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/20 11:53 AM
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Men who are 35+ will most likely have to date women around the same age. They don't have to do anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/20 11:13 AM
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It means you get excluded from all social groups, and you can't have friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/20 06:07 AM
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The sharp "kink in the curve" happens between 35-40. There is individual variation. Some are in very strong positions at 35+, but it is fairly obvious. These are the women who surprise everyone when they reveal their age. Other women are envious of them. Far from all men maintain attractiveness as they age, and few men are very attractive to begin with. All fit 20-25 year old women are considered attractive. The point is that the experience for women changes sharply at 35+, but it doesn't change…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/20 05:55 AM
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She can't control who she feels disgust towards. Even if thats sub6 men They are the equivalent of a man with ED because too much porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/20 04:49 AM
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How is it women's fault that their vagina only tingles when they see a hot top 20% man? Try this same sentence with pedophilia.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/20 04:44 AM
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The outcomes of war was either death or you become a hero. Worst case scenario from approaching Stacy is to be "cancelled". Boys learn in school who they are allowed to talk to, and what it means to be "cancelled" in their social surroundings ie their class or school. The rules in night clubs and bars are different though. Guys should figure that out.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/20 04:05 AM
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Let me add this perspective. Generally, the features that make men masculine also make women unattractive. A petite feminine frame with delicate jaws look great on a woman and awful as man. So short ugly women going for caricatures of masculine men is not only ineffective, it might be damaging. Pairings in a race need to be looks-matched within an interval of tolerance (to preserve variance.)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/20 09:42 PM
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That the people you work with are autistic, and "systemising everything, difficulty in reading people and the fustration that arises from that."
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/20 09:21 PM
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Do you smell bad?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/20 09:20 PM
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if dudes had a sargent yelling at them to go get that pussy By the end of that day, he would be cancelled and facing a lifetime of unemployment.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/20 09:19 PM
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WTF IS "becouse"? Also: 5.2" and 90Lbs blonde with a puppy face She is far more dangerous now than anything in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/20 09:14 PM
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Do the people you work with agree with this?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/20 09:09 PM
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to notice or communicate emotions at an adult level There is no correlation with this ability and sexlessness. One particular guy I knew was a great communicator and writer. The sort of guy who would write and read poetry in his angsty teenage years. But he is just too short so he is invisible to women. The guys whose confidence was constantly boosted from casual sex were generally completely shallow and lacking any ability of introspection.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/20 08:49 PM
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The fact that someone is socially awkward is a consequence of them not having friends and not being included in groups, particularly in teenage years when lookism is at its strongest. It doesn't take much for kids to find something wrong with someone else. Many young adults had FB, instagram, and snapchat on their school yards and HS corridors. Those are basically social ranking systems that instruct everyone in the class who is enviable and who is untouchable. It's possible that video games mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/20 08:32 PM
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You don't have to agree, but this is the perspective of the men you hope are your LTR prospects. They might not be your actual prospects.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/20 08:21 PM
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Who says I have lower standards of my future life/family partner than in my previous relationships? You have missed one of the core insights of TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/20 06:06 PM
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I'm guessing jailbait?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/20 03:10 PM
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Also: be young, or have exceptional looks. Since reverse aging is impossible (as of now), the female red pill is much harder to swallow. For males, it's a gauntlet to run with a price at the end. For females, it is a sinking boat.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/20 02:55 PM
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Don't be fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/20 01:06 PM
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I agree, the second looks nice. Like he could be one of my friends. The first guy looks like someone who cheats with our girlfriends.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/20 02:41 PM
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She's saying she cheated on her husband and is now divorced. She's at most 3-4/10 btw.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/20 02:30 PM
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I believe you, but it still is an example of women advising men to be "nice", not how to get laid. This is not a novel experience for me or many guys in here. We have literally been told that we are "attractive" by women who would never fuck us, and then instead fuck the first guy in secret.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/20 02:13 PM
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She is just about post wall. Young Claire Danes is cute and hot: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120620/mediaviewer/rm2740099072/
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/20 02:05 PM
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This is an excellent example of women advising men to be "nice", rather than how to get laid. This guy, unless taller than 5'11", would indeed be almost incel in Scandinavian major cities. The first guy would be looked on as slightly dumb and embarrassing, but he would get laid occasionally.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/20 01:55 PM
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His body is good but he might be charmless or dull. There is something "trivial" about his gaze. I would feel disappointed if his girl was >7. The girl isn't fantastic looking, but not bad enough to be "deformed".
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/20 01:47 PM
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No one is accountable for their successes or failures since those are indeterministic. People, however, are accountable for their actions, words, interactions and so on. This means it is unfair to assign blame to people who are failing without addressing specific mistakes they are making.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/20 06:52 PM
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You will agree that there is enough uncertainty about the future to not rule out "happiness" for any one. Choosing cynicism minimizes your chances, and delusional positivity maximizes your chances.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/20 06:46 PM
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Between men, we can be "observers" of our feelings and emotions. We can explain how we feel and why, without asking for sympathy or special treatment. We might receive advice or similar stories in return. This helps us understand ourselves and human nature. I concede that it's possible this sort of maturity is rare among men. I have never met a woman like this, but I don't assume no one like this exists. The women I have met and known only see men in terms of their utility, and a man who speaks …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/20 11:40 AM
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Texted her, asked her out and she rejected me :) Your doing it wrong. You have to make friends with her IRL, laugh with her during coffee breaks and so on. The goal for the exercise is to make her feel good and happy, not for you to fuck. Also, you should start with the lowest SMV and work yourself up. It will make you feel less attached to the outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/20 09:39 AM
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We don't have to live around them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/20 08:28 AM
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They made the world into a cartoon. They have to live in it. It's not the prerogative of random men to turn it back into reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/20 08:25 AM
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Old women carry most of the responsibility for the current situation. As a group, they deserve no loyalty whatsoever. Some old men and women deserve pity, but as a group I'm not sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/20 08:17 AM
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Not helping single mothers is not the same as punishing children. If anything, single mothers and absent fathers need be to held accountable, or even making the single mother accountable for the absent father.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/20 08:13 AM
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I have no loyalty at all to strangers who would never sacrifice anything for me, men or women. The children of strange men? No loyalty at all, unless they are friends of my own children. Bonus answer: you don't understand what honor is. Civilization is a prisoner's dilemma. As soon as someone breaks oath, everyone must also break oath. At this point it's every man for himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/20 07:58 AM
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It has only happened once or twice, and with near strangers. It felt as I was being invited to start flirting or simping, but I didn't quite "feel it". It suddenly felt as I talking to a broken person, because to me it is not an appropriate way to flirt.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/20 07:53 AM
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This is the answer.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/20 07:43 AM
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The only female friends I have had were either interested in more than friendship, or they were stringing me along when I was interested in more. Friendships worked in groups when it wasn't just two people trying to be just friends. I think people have an "on/off" switch with heterosexual relatinships; they're all in, or nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/20 07:35 AM
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So female 5s will never feel attraction for male 5s ( The point is that when they have the opportunity to experience what life is like for Stacy, they start to adjust their identity. Once they make themselves believe they are almost Stacy, it is too insulting and painful to let go. Therefore, they can't go back to 5s.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 08:42 PM
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I'm not saying it's a phase. When guys age, they either build muscles/flesh, or they start to look either fat or atrophied. The right amount of exercise somehow helps with hormones and circulation. To be healthy at 25+, a guy needs to be at least somewhat fit and built. I'm guessing the attractive guys you think of as "nerdy" or "feminine" in fact follow tight diet and exercise programs. K-pop stars aren't just naturally fit, and they wear make up.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 09:16 AM
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What is your age? Guys grow up. I'm trying imagine what you would be at around 30. I suspect you'll have a different taste in guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 07:54 AM
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What does your ideal guy look like?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 07:34 AM
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Guys grow up and their bodies change. Guys 20+ need to exercise to not look unhealthy. Also, the men depicted in hentai are pretty muscular. The 25 year old guy you're fantasizing about would be pretty chadly in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 07:28 AM
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Super young? What is your opinion of guys who like hentai?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 07:02 AM
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What exactly did you experience?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 06:38 AM
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Yes, I understand, because it is fantasy and fetish. It doesn't work or exist in reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 06:35 AM
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For people in this position, it’s hard not to call it what it is. This is the loser mentality, and yes it is realistic for them. But it makes them even more untouchable to women. For them to be attractive to ugly women, they need to have delusional positivity. Ugly people who feel good about themselves are delusional in some sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 06:31 AM
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No, porn is fiction. The first step would be to just make video porn, but that would be "too real".
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 06:24 AM
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There is so much porn you could be directed to. It doesn't mean anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 06:06 AM
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expect women to iron and vacuum When did this ever happen?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/20 05:54 AM
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If the cover says "the book that sucks", then you can't blame people for not reading it. They should rebrand as self-improvers, and make their mission to improve themselves and build enough pride that femcels (whoever they are) feel flattered by them and protected by their determination and self-assertiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 10:46 PM
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The defacto meaning of incel is: "a man so unattractive and lacking in valuable qualities as to be completely untouchable by women." A woman will never date anyone identifying as incel because it requires her to take on the identity of a woman with no other options. It makes her feel worthless. Inceldom can't function as a support group because it prevents its members from ever escaping it.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 10:27 PM
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Women want their man to be able to be aggressive and assert himself in the world. She just wants to be reminded about this. They definitely don't want to be reminded that her man is approval-seeking and lacking confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 10:08 PM
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How would a woman ever know this? Men don't ask. If we have to ask, we're already assuming the worst.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 09:51 PM
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The problem is that experiences and mile stones that help men mature are being postponed so long into the future that it affects their personalities and life trajectories too much. This phenomenon was well understood already in the PUA coaching days. Women and relationships is a huge factor in the confidence of men, and when they live long periods in the identity of the loser, they let other people treat them as losers, they pass up opportunities, they become depressed, and so on. These are the …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 07:38 PM
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These two things are both true: Being short and ugly makes dating very very difficult, but provably not impossible If you take on the identity of the loser (self-identifying as incel), it's going to be very near impossible to win
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 07:22 PM
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This is what happens to the normal people who don't post in incel forums. It's probably also what happens when incels "ascend". The thing is that they have to respect themselves enough to think that they are adding value to the other person. Part of the self-improvement is about making themselves believe they are valuable enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 07:14 PM
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Disney primarily, and for a long time, focused on applying their artistic license to the stories of other authors. The original "Little Mermaid" is not far from an allegory for hypergamy, but Disney turned into something cute and modern. I don't know the movie well, but the music lyrics have a feminist ring; ... Bright young women Sick of swimming Ready to stand
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 06:06 PM
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Europe is not the best place for a guy like this, but at 5’4 he is still taller than some (mostly asian) women. The asian women, with broken English and strong accents, and are not culturally naturalized, are unlikely to marry "standard" 5'9 white husbands.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 05:32 PM
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In which Disney movie is there a RP prince refusing to marry a high-n princess?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 05:11 PM
1

If the data in that link is accurate, it would debunk the 80:20 rule. I suspect something is wrong. The only data they show is from 2002, and their table is too sparse to work out, the averages are off by 27%. It looks like females are under-reporting or males are over-reporting.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 04:11 PM
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All the same options are available to women. Also, most trades require training on the job. In practice, you're an apprentice of sorts for maybe four years.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 04:00 PM
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How did he die?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 11:59 AM
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Assuming accurate reporting, the averages are always going to be the same. The problem is that the distribution for men is more skewed than women's.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 09:16 AM
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automation, globalization, inflation and income inequality have hurt the American working class and you are claiming this is the reason there are more women in college etc. It's here you are alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/20 08:59 AM
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you can make statistically correct observations and explanations How do you verify that it is correct, and what do you mean by correct? If we could make people taller by HGH supplements, that would establish causality, but in reality it is more complex. You can observe mechanisms, but you can't establish causality to traits such as height.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/20 09:48 PM
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I have little in common with people who did not grow up with similar experiences. But people similar to me exist in most ages, and even though we might be chaste, we mature emotionally in various ways. So the emotional maturity of women, regardless of their experiences, is a much bigger factor. Younger chicks can just be painfully unbearable to listen to ... But they have to preserve their youthful looks ...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/20 09:40 PM
1

How do you confirm that it is correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/20 09:30 PM
1

what is becouse?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/20 09:16 PM
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If it was enough, we could supplement with growth hormone and solve the whole problem. I'm not saying it is completely irrelevant, but I'm saying it is not enough. There is too much information, and too many variables, that simple statistical observations can not be extrapolated to the whole conclusively.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/20 09:14 PM
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The problem is establishing causality. For example, how do you know whatever statistical feature is influencing height, rather than just being a marker of heritage. People with one specific heritage might be environmentally tall/short, for example by the mechanism I suggested earlier, independent of genetics. It is impossible to separate statistically. The only way to establish causality is to clone 100 embryos, modify half of them, grow them in identical environments, and record their heights.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/20 08:53 PM
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It's impossible to statistically identify individual genes for height, or what they should mean if found in a person. Let's say a few hundred genes are inter-dependent and express themselves differently depending on the environment. That might already be too complex to unwind.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/20 08:37 PM
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What you describe is real, but it's more complex. It's not about women who have rejected them, it's the fantasy of "what could have been". That includes cases where the guys have to turn down the relationship. For example, when it is unfair to pursue a relationship with a willing woman because the guy is not in a position fulfill her wishes or fantasies. This can happen to good looking, financially poor BP guys. There might a Romeo/Juliet situations. It's very bitter sweet. These guys are not eq…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/20 08:29 PM
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I'm guessing that it's impossible to statistically separate "genetics" from, for example, the environment of the womb and the quality of the breast milk. Assume the mother has been adversely affected by environment and is phenotypically smaller than she would have been. This would surely affect her children, who grow in a smaller womb and feed from milk being produced by smaller breasts. But this effect is impossible to control for.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/20 08:14 PM
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There are plenty anecdotes suggesting that the mother plays an important role. Sort of the liger vs. tigon effect. In humans it's possible it comes down to in-utero nutrition, hormones, size of hips, amount of breast milk, and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/20 08:03 PM
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Same.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/20 07:58 PM
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The point is that "height doesn't matter" is a lie.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/20 07:57 PM
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If there were no checks or bounds, the endpoint of feminism would be submission to an outside non-feminist hegemony. Its implementation means forfeiting effectiveness and competitiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/20 07:42 PM
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People with STEM degrees are working in hundreds of fields. I have a STEM degree, FFS. I'm speaking of the work itself. There are people working in "STEM" without degrees, and some of them are ridiculously influential although they are mostly invisible. Child support collection was not enforced until the 80s and not enforced with any regularity until well into the 90s. This does not mean: men were up until 40 years ago freely abandoning their wives and children? This example, of some local gover…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/20 07:33 PM
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Women don't like or respect short men. Tall men more often ignore or trivialize short men, mostly because it's easier than trivializing tall men. Of course you're free to argue against these points, but no one will take you seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/20 11:00 AM
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This is an accusation you get to make after you find an incel that is attractive enough for you to hang out with.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/20 10:37 AM
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The study shows the correlation between height and shit life, controlling for almost everything else. You don't get to say "it's their fault" after that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/20 10:35 AM
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I have a friend making $130 a year as a “social media director.” These are just anomalies of this time period. It's not sustainable. The same thing happened in the original dotcom bubble.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/20 10:31 AM
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And do you think this is because society is scrambling to hand advantages to women that they don’t deserve? I can only speak for what I have observed, and this is the answer. It also seems like you are conflating many issues. Some might be important in your local community, but they are not relevant to the global trends. Is it the knowledge economy that needs brain over braun which put women economically on par with men? It's clear that you don't understand what the "knowledge economy" looks lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/20 10:22 AM
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It means nerdy chicks still find chad attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/20 09:52 AM
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Yes. These women are lovely when, at 35+, they start to discover that their looks aren't carrying them through conversations and negotiations any more.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/20 09:50 AM
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Appetite is not negotiated either, it results from the combination of hunger and available food. No one starves due to lack of appetite. Similarly, women never stay alone due to lack of desire. Their desire results from a combination of "hunger" and their perceived available options. How many times ...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/20 09:44 AM
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"Women and children first" assumes there is a fixed capacity of life boats, but this happens in ideal circumstances. The trope is useful in fairytales to remind men to not unnecessarily block entrance for those who can't fend for themselves, which is fair. In the accident, too many people apparently became paralysed, as if they were unconsciously waiting for "someone else to fix it". There were guys trying to save women in the water, but there was not enough energy and strength to hold on in the…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/20 09:36 AM
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If I were to extrapolate from this: Children first, then other women, and finally men off the titanic for you? The people that got off the ship Estonia before it sank have explained how people reacted during the few minutes of panic. Pure instinct was the only thing that mattered, and almost no one knows how they will react in real emergency situations. This means that almost everything people say is posturing and signalling. This is especially true for people who have never been near any true d…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/20 08:44 AM
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I suspect nutrition and some other hidden factors during the first few years are important. Illnesses, allergies, psychological stress, and generally adverse circumstances cause slower growth. The ratio between sitting height/standing height indicates the extent to which the outer limbs have grown to their potential. Last I checked, the height gains during the last century can be mostly accounted for by longer legs. In these cases the heart, lungs, and internal organs are the last to be affected…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/20 08:15 AM
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Meanwhile, height of the mother accounts for 50% of the genetic height and most of the environmental variation due to nutrition and stress.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/20 06:31 AM
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Women don't want guys (in general) to be successful (with women).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/20 04:54 AM
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Not sure about this. Consider Madonna from the eighties and nineties, Kate Moss from the nineties. Big fake boobs from the nineties were awful. The "big boobs" in our era are not what the men were lusting of in the 1960s.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/20 05:47 PM
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When a woman is insecure, she gets coddled and protected. An insecure man is ridiculed and shunned. It's just male privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/20 08:48 AM
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Most of it is a "redesign" during the past 50 years of how culture portrays an ideal female life. In culture, it's not ideal for women to be forming LTRs until mid-to-late thirties. Women younger than 35 are portrayed as being the most happy pursuing short term relationships and "careers". Loser men are even more common in movies and television than reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/20 08:21 AM
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Random dude. Follow my advice and stop wasting your time by worrying about random people and things on the internet that you have no connection to.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/20 07:53 AM
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What made you think he was feminine? Do you think the initial interaction set the "tone" for the relationship, or was the guy always passive in everything in his life?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/20 06:50 PM
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Why would you want an "active" boyfriend? Or what do you mean by passive?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/20 03:34 PM
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This is the answer. Your looksmatch is what you would be if you had been birthed as female, all other equal. That means genetics, diet, and exercise.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/20 03:08 PM
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I suspect variations are due to age of parents, or something environmental that signals surplus of one or the other. For example, old mothers might signal surplus of males. Some studies suggest this. But this is natures way of "correcting" the ratio.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 05:33 PM
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In that case it would drift like brownian motion. There would exist isolated populations with wacky ratios. One way robust representations could arise is if a trait emerges independently in two populations but with different genetic representations. If both representations end up in one population, twice the number of mutations are required to affect the trait. If this happens multiple times, over millennia, the probability of individual mutations affecting the trait fall very quickly. But it al…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 05:05 PM
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This is true. It is also proven in the complete-matching algorithm.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 04:15 PM
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Ok, you didn't understand. There are traits corresponding to some distributed representation in the genetic code that make them less affected by individual mutations than certain other traits. In some fields it would be called "robustness" or something like it. And the fact that this particular trait has not changed significantly in any human population, despite tens of thousands years of mutations and divergence, would suggest that it is represented in some way that is resistant to individual m…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 03:55 PM
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Ok, fair. But you have to have understood what I meant?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 02:31 PM
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I suspect most embarrassment comes from the fact that she would be publicly revealing that she's a plate. The guy himself is not embarrassing. To be seen in public being physical with a personal trainer who coaches many women, for example, is not about the "respectability" of the guy, it's about the social standing of the woman. In an alternate reality where this guy had a respectable life, what would happen?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 02:28 PM
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Which term is random?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 02:07 PM
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Women want to know: If I am good enough to fuck, how can I not be good enough for marriage?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 07:07 AM
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Yes all men, but the standard is different for casual/non-committal sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 07:00 AM
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A mother is a much more to a child than just a womb.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 06:57 AM
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Is she pretty? Not fat?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 06:44 AM
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The mutation rate, and variance of the trait, varies depending on location.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/20 06:33 AM
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I'm guessing the ratio is hard coded so precisely because the pressure has existed for hundreds of thousands of years. A group with 30% men can not defend itself from a group with 50% men. The women go to the winning group, the men are killed. There are definitely populations.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/20 10:18 PM
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The men who are born into a population with ratio <0.5 are less likely to be fathers of the next generation than men born into a neighbouring population with rate >0.5. That is the pressure.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/20 10:07 PM
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You are correct, that it is slightly more than 0.5, but it is not a random number. I'll try to restate what I wrote: The evolutionary pressure against any other ratio than 0.5 is likely to be so high that the genetic parameters for gender don't allow any drift.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/20 10:00 PM
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I don't practice christianity, but I am christian. It matters practically when finding partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/20 09:55 PM
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Have you considered Malaysia or Indonesia? They have muslim communities that relatively moderate, as far as I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/20 09:32 PM
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It is unlikely to happen genetically. If it ever happened in history, it would have made the population into an unguarded "hen house" open for any fox to come. The only thing that could be affecting it is the age of the mother; meaning if older women are still getting pregnant, that might be signalling relative shortage of women, therefore nature increases probability of females. But I don't know any data for this. There is a reason the probability(male) is 0.5, and not any random number.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/20 09:30 PM
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In what industry?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/20 04:58 PM
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So far, I think it's rare that these women are becoming mothers. I don't know of any successful family like this. And how do you think the children would feel? It doesn't take many years for them to be old enough to put things together.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/20 12:05 PM
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feminine woman and also expect women to “chase” you Just false dichotomy. The men who chase aren't exactly the most masculine, and chasing almost never works for men since it reveals scarcity mentality. Masculine men tend to be nonchalant of the outcome from interactions. Masculine women tend to communicate in terms of demands, which is not really chasing either. In my mind, feminine women don't chase as much as they withhold intimacy, sex and so on, and they communicate more diplomatically.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/20 11:49 AM
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Metrics for professional performance would be different. Task division/assignment would be different. I would be formally assigned credit for the work and achievements of others, and even though everyone would know it's fake, it would be silently accepted in order to encourage me to be happy, stay, and not complain.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/20 11:30 AM
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The "emotional experience" of daily life hasn't changed much for maybe at least 50% of men. Men are just used to. The women who are normally alone are also used to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/20 10:04 AM
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Delete Facebook and forget about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/20 09:32 AM
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Does this experience affect your level of empathy for guys who are ripped but are incels (due to height, hair, or face)?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/20 09:28 AM
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I don’t know what your version of average or ugly is at all The guys that would never be accepted in your friend-group, or at least not seen to be part of the group at parties or activities with women. Btw, this is so common that I can't really believe that your response here is genuine. There are always orbiters to any friend group that never get notified about parties or activities, but are called upon perform various functions and help. Typically, getting things set-up, lending cars, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/20 11:35 AM
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but somehow 46% of people meet online. "of the people who meet, 46% meet online".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/20 11:15 AM
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If you base your arguments in reality, we could have productive discussions. If you are confused about reality, just be curious and open.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/20 11:12 AM
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If you say "I'm a virgin", she can't say "no shit" if she respects you.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/20 09:23 PM
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But they don't die quietly on their own, they fill up the hospitals so nurses become burned out. Overweight, obesity, etc are risk factors for almost everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/20 09:21 PM
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If they are friends/friendly with you, they have to act surprised or it will seem very rude. It's also an odd thing to reveal, unless in a friendly/welcoming environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/20 01:28 PM
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Shaming people doesn't do any good to the society. On the contrary. Shame is the one of the most powerful mechanisms for corralling idiots and protecting them from their instincts.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/20 10:14 AM
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Actually, their health problems become everyone's liability. See for example the impact of covid in various places.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/20 09:58 AM
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"Eating disorders are entirely self-inflicted. Just eat healthily and stop complaining. Having a healthy body is not a right, your body and diet is not anyone else's responsibility. If you can't eat right, it's your own fault." Sound familiar? My perspective is that sugar should be taxed like alcohol and tobacco. Fat people should be shamed because of the health care costs.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/20 09:54 AM
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I don't know the story, but if a 25 year old chad kisses a 13 year old girl in a "cute caring way", then women dream about being her. If a fat balding dude touches a 13 year old girl in any way, especially ways that reveal he is desperate and frustrated, he is a pedophile and marked for life.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/20 08:43 AM
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The only real solution is to be indifferent to how people treat you. Of course, it requires mental resources that very few people have. Women and chads the least of all.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/20 08:37 AM
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An average woman put in a low-end man's body would be suicidal in a few months. Especially when it dawns on her that it's not temporary, it will only get worse, and how slim the chances of ever experiencing any reward or happiness are. However, it also true that these men's lives would improve significantly if they could have higher self-esteem, be less affected by rejection, and be more care-free.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/20 08:33 AM
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Mhm. Women are judgemental about alpha behavior, but still attracted to it. And after an alpha is done with them, they will complain about it. They will give exactly the same advice to all men, which is to make them unthreatening and supplicative.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/20 08:19 AM
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I was trying to make a joke.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/20 08:06 AM
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You are traumatized by expecting your mother to die from 9. Your issue is abandonment. Parents shouldn't give you input, they should make you feel you are adequate and worthy of love. Expect lots of therapy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/20 03:07 AM
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Chad doesn't let anyone else define him.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 09:05 PM
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A song for the lonely people out there thinking of someone they can't be with: (in german) https://youtu.be/2oeCulnVDzI
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 08:54 PM
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Yes, but a fair amount of these men won't make the effort, or are too dull to pull it off even with their best effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 08:42 PM
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Simple: don't let people treat you like shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 08:36 PM
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authoritarian, hierarchical, judgmental, and unwelcoming of diversity, dissent and change Thankfully, we have the government and social welfare instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 07:17 PM
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I suspect the state and corporate jobs are replacing the social safety net, and relatives and local friendships have become liabilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 07:13 PM
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How old were you when she died? How did you feel?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 06:40 PM
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I prefer that people believe in karma, and that sins will be punished after death.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 06:40 PM
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You need to make yourself into a person that your looks-match will consider a "price". When she walks hand-in-hand, she must feel about you the way she feels when she's wearing a new expensive coat. Like it protects her from the judgement from the people around. If you look like cheap rags, it makes her feel even more insecure. She might not be looks focused. In that case you need to be charming and interesting. That's possibly even easier to achieve. The basic advice is correct. Lift, groom wel…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 06:33 PM
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Women don't "date" chad. Some girls like to party with chad. Almost all women have some fantasies about chad, at least in their teens. There are women who realize they are merely Becky, have moderate to low self-esteem, body insecurities, and feel lonely. They feel icky about casual sex and short term relations. They are not "party girls". They don't like feeling like a spot-light is shining on them. They would not like chad with turned-up nose looking at their pasty stomach, small or sagging br…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 06:18 PM
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It might balance out cosmically. We can't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 06:05 PM
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Tell me about the relationship with your mother. Maybe we can start there.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 06:03 PM
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Because women don't want guys to be successful. They will advice men to be simps, because it benefits themselves. They are OK with picking one guy that is brave and masculine, but they don't want guys in general to display these traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/20 03:01 PM
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How is it possible they don't understand this?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/20 07:58 PM
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but it burns so good.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/20 07:55 PM
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Everything counts. It's mechanical, not emotional.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/20 07:41 PM
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Settling means giving up on what you actually want. Ok, I meant "no one chooses to stay single forever".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/20 07:05 PM
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If you were going to be a slave, would you rather be in the harem, or outside?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/20 02:21 PM
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I don't know much about them. Jennifer Aniston used to be in every teenage boy's dreams. Now, I only hear about her when she's been photographed somewhere with Brad Pitt, or in these sorts of comments, but she always looks sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/20 01:52 PM
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The life of Jennifer Aniston is sad and tragic. It should not be held up as some sort of ideal.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/20 07:24 AM
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If you believe your child owes you for being born, then I agree you would be a bad parent.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/20 07:18 AM
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Lunch is a social construct. Therefore, people don't eat food in the middle of the day eh?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/20 07:08 AM
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You're assuming too much about the backgrounds of some of these women. Some are not failing in dating because they're ugly and boring, or washed up CC-riders. They missed the train in their twenties when relationships were easier and cheaper to form, even for socially awkward people. Now, at every new encounter, their situation/background requires an explanation. Try being an awkward 35 year old in a group of 25. Social interactions with strangers, particularly single men, feel overwhelming to t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/20 06:58 AM
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That is fine. We just need to have a relative perception of attractiveness, not absolute. The purpose of the whole thing is to make women have relationships with the best men attainable for them, and not be discouraged by the existence of men that are much more attractive than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/20 06:37 AM
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I said 4 of 5 in attractiveness. That's 80%. If woman explains to her therapist "I can't have relationships because almost everyone I meet is ugly", then ... there is work to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/20 04:14 PM
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Or 1500:s or 1600:s. Europe in the 1000:s is a place difficult to imagine for these woke wind socks.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/20 04:07 PM
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Plus women were systematically denied education, access to high paying jobs and leadership positions. Not true in parts of Europe. In households where the man was a craftsman/builder/trader, the wife often took care of the finances and management. The household double-functioned as a form of company. This could continue after the mans death through hired workers. I don't know if the women liked it, or all women would be up for it, since they were in the position to bargaining with suppliers and …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/20 03:48 PM
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Ok, but I was pretty precise in what I said: "unable to experience a meaningful relationship" with 80% of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/20 03:29 PM
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Make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/20 03:26 PM
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Yes, but we don't care about her as an individual. We are just using her comment to have a discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/20 03:17 PM
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Enforced monogamy does not mean forcing people into relationships; it means forbidding and disincentivizing all forms of polygamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/20 03:13 PM
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"Low-tier men" as a class is defined by being unattractive to 50-80% of women (depending on where we ask.) So if we generalize her comment, that is what she means.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/20 11:47 AM
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It's just one aspect of monogamy. Married men should not satisfy themselves in "bath houses", with prostitutes, or otherwise. Unsatisfied married women is part of the problem of infidelity, and so married men need to do their part. Also, there weren't gyms back then, but physical labor common. Difficult to say what normal women found attractive enough to be fuckable.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/20 11:42 AM
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But in that case her argument is not relevant to the question "is enforced monogamy unfair to women". We have to read her comment as: "if most women are like me, then monogamy is bad, since I'd rather die alone than be with a low-tier man."
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/20 11:22 AM
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For young people, relationships start with infatuation and excitement. Emotional connections can grow along with the relationship, but are not guaranteed. i wouldn't know, arranged marriages aren't a thing here. I don't have experience with arranged marriages either. I'm just offering it as a data point in favor of my perspective. Should we decide that people in arranged marriages lie about their emotional connections?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/20 11:13 AM
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She's talking about loving a man attractive to her, not to the majority of women or a social consensus. This is true for individuals, but it turns out the distribution is skewed towards stereotypes; height, muscles, hair, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/20 11:06 AM
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Those are just words for describing the "experience" of a meaningful relationship. They are the effect, not the cause of the relationship. People sometimes say "it takes effort". Who are we to say old couples in arranged marriages do not have emotional connections, when they say do?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/20 10:38 AM
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For example, a group of men would be out hunting or fishing while the elders, women, and children were sheltered somewhere. A band of single men can easily just take the women and children, and kill off the rest. The men were not "inferior". It can be argued they were "more fit", having provided for a small village. This ended when law/order/justice/civilization and so on took hold.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/20 10:26 AM
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That affect can also be attributed to higher mortality of men, and is probably more likely. Men in villages were usually killed off in raids, whereas women and children were taken as wives and concubines. This continued well into historic times. On the other hand, survival and success of the children depends more on the wherewithal of the father, so for most of history there has been selection for beta traits in men. I think women preferring "chads" might be an expression of the war-bride stockh…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/20 10:17 AM
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Assuming you have understood the point of the discussion, and this comment is a genuine response. You are saying you are unable to experience love and a meaningful relationship with a man in the bottom 4 of 5 in attractiveness. This is otherwise called a fetish or a personality disorder. But I can't really believe this is your genuine response, which means you misunderstand the discussion. Enforced monogamy means no man can have two women. This affords all men equal chances to meet wives. Withou…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/20 10:03 AM
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If the 20:80 cutoff was absolute, it would mean no sex at all in certain places of the world since height and race are major factor of attractiveness. It would also mean almost 90% chads in certain places, but it is not true. 20:80 is always relative to what a woman believes is attainable. Therefore cultural aspects factor in. If "plate spinning" is culturally unacceptable, that would affect women's perception.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/20 09:50 AM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/20 09:09 AM
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No, of course it's not unfair and has never been unfair. Women's sexual arousal is not guaranteed by "chad looks", even though it helps. Many women need to be wooed emotionally quite a bit. In addition, women's definition of chad is relative to what is attainable for them. The damage is caused by average women believing they are in the same league as the top 20% of men, and therefore "sullying" themselves by hanging out with average guys. Sexual arousal for women occurs along a slightly differen…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/20 04:33 AM
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There are many benefits: Each man has to provide for his own children Each man has roughly the same chance to meet a wife Each woman has the same chance to meet a husband Prevents having the world mainly populated by delinquents and prostitutes
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/20 04:16 AM
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The mechanisms behind polygamy is a technicality in this matter. Single lonely men are destabilizing, regardless if there are women somewhere that would like them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/20 03:42 AM
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It's the inheritance of the sons of the mistresses that matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/20 03:21 AM
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Those opportunities evaporate rapidly after 35.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/20 12:07 AM
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Makes a caricature of the reality behind it. It's as bad as blue pill romantic songs.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/20 12:00 AM
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No. Dumbest thing I've heard.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/20 11:39 PM
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It even means using things like tinder, talking to friends-of-friends at parties, and such.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/20 03:57 PM
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"Good for you!"
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/20 02:46 PM
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Correct. This or enforced monogamy are the end states for our current trajectory. In the meantime, we have to see how bad it gets until the course corrects.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/20 01:59 PM
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The features that make men attractive also make women unattractive. Breeding can not solve this.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/20 01:48 PM
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The systemic problem is the surplus of men. Guys will man up if there are rewards, but a good portion of men are guaranteed to be excluded, which means there aren't enough rewards to go around. The systemic solutions involve 1) monogamy and 2) reducing number of men. Incentivize monogamy Prohibit contraceptives. No subsidized abortions. Withdraw welfare/child support for single mothers. Increase cultural shame on single mothers, sluts, and "spinsters" Reduce number of men Ultimately, there is no…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/20 01:23 PM
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As consolation, I suggest that if you had tried harder earlier in life, you would have failed even worse, and it would have set you back further at your current age. In my teens, my first experiences with girls stung me so bad I didn't get over the pain until early/mid twenties, and it shaped much of the experience of that life phase.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/20 11:43 AM
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I have never accepted that anyone's basic "rights" correspond to obligations for other people. I don't mind that people claim they have needs (regardless of whether they label them basic or universal), as long as we all understand that they are no one else's obligation to fulfill. Specifically, abortions require a chunk of medical/surgical infrastructure in order to be safe. I think it's wrong to force me to contribute to that, among other things. Why is it considered fair to forcibly downgrade …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/20 11:37 AM
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It depends on where we draw the line for basic physical need. It is possible to stay alive just with IV drip. I'd argue, the only thing you really need is nutrient solution, but that would be considered unworthy for women. I don't really care either way, but it is obvious to me that the standard for what is considered "worthy existence" is very different for men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/20 11:18 AM
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If that is what you believe, you would also believe any changing of social norms are inconsequential.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 09:50 PM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 09:36 PM
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In a way, you are agreeing with the OP. He is arguing that since no one is nice to "nice guys", why bother? But, the golden rule isn't justified by "eye for an eye" fairness, it's a matter of empathy and conscience. If you were born with functioning empathy, you will feel better, healthier, and happier if you treat people nicely. Even people you will never meet again. "See yourself in the eyes of the poor stranger", and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 09:29 PM
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Honestly don't see the decline in birth rate or marriage rate as part of a social decline. But it is, defacto, social decline. It's nature's way getting of rid of people with impotent cultures and ideas. You might think your life is great, but you're one of the last generations to experience it, because it's not a culture capable of reproducing.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 08:57 PM
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The careers of men and women mirror their dating careers. For women, the careers peak around 35, whereas men can continue to grind and climb slowly. There is a problem though if women are taking most of the entry positions.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 08:52 PM
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Gen Z will have it even worse than millenials in terms of finances. If they miss out on early life milestones, it will be an even bigger hill to climb.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 08:45 PM
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As I have understood, the gen Z men are losing out at the moment, but the Z women are indulging with wild abandon. The reasons for this are obvious for readers of this sub. It will not correct until shame somehow comes back into the culture. One reason for tinder's success is that sluts don't need to dress in short skirts, hang out in bars, and be seen dragged off by some guy to have ONS. It happens secrecy. Slutting is as shameful as ever, but it's assumed to be rare. Many older people have an …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 08:38 PM
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It should be low SMV. It's true they have value as people and companions.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 08:01 PM
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There are precious few interactions between women and ugly guys. Women never smile towards ugly guys as they pass them on the streets or elsewhere. They want to avoid accidental eye contact. When interactions are unavoidable, the women will desperately try to get out by inventing reasons. They will make excuses to their friends, sometimes in front of the guy, to the effect of "have pity on me while endure this torture" but in words she believes disguises the message to the guy. This makes these …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 07:22 PM
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When women say "get some hobbies" they mean "go and lose yourself in something that does not involve bothering me". When they say "make yourself scarce", it means "go away and never look back". The only women I have seen that are interested in guy-hobbies are decidedly low SMV, and for them it's a way of spending more time with the guy. It never happens with hot chicks.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 06:51 PM
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Correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 06:47 PM
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"Sorry I am working on re-rigging my boat for the summer" This sort of thing actually means nothing to women, unless she's trying to estimate your financial worth, or something like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 06:42 PM
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Yes, but this isn't contingent on the hobby, it's the guy himself. There are lonely guys with hobbies that would cancel an entire planned weekend if it meant they were going to meet women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 06:39 PM
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I stopped gaming in my mid-teens due motion sickness. Can do 2D games on small screens, or slow moving games, but I get little joy from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 06:34 PM
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The reality is that guys have hobbies because women don't like them. All the guys I know deep into weird hobbies are nerds, single or have low-value girlfriends.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 06:30 PM
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It seems you're agreeing with me: women have to consider the reactions because of the consequences for themselves. When there are no consequences, for example when the guy is a self-sacrificicing simp with no self-confidence, the only thing the woman worries about is how others perceive her, not the health and well-being of the simp. Women don't sacrifice themselves for the "greater good". Guys idiotically do this all the time, because we have a retarded sense of grandeur and hero fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/20 06:26 PM
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Are you seriously suggesting that most women are rude and dehumanizing It depends on what consequences the woman thinks of, if there is an audience, and so on. Usually, women follow polite protocol when it would otherwise reflect badly on them. The point is that they rarely consider consequences for anyone else. Basically every woman, given the opportunity, will politely coerce a man to whatever self-sacrificial deeds she thinks are beneficial to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/20 11:01 PM
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True, but not the most tactical line of argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/20 10:51 PM
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There are no claims being made apart from the behavior of the OKCupid users. The phenomenology is the data, and it is complete. There is no sampling, testing, or approximating going on. If you want to claim that the data is fake, you would be logically consistent. Since we can't inspect or verify that it corresponds to events on the website, there is a portion of "blind trust".
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/20 10:16 PM
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Bold claim
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/20 09:47 PM
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If they are reading data from their systems, that's about as rigorous as it gets.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/20 09:35 PM
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If the value of men is random, and the goal for the woman is to get the highest value man possible, then she should accept only men with high value early in the game, and lower the threshold at each turn of the game. At some point late in the game she should have no threshold at all. In this game, there is no reward for the woman for accepting men zero chance of conception. If there is a negative reward for conception (women don't want children) then contraception would mean the woman can accept…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 06:07 PM
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After the fact there is no difference, but she must choose before she knows. And other men don't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 05:22 PM
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Ok, but still a loss due the trauma.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 05:20 PM
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I'm still only describing a type of interaction I've seen to work. I can't vouch for all ugly guys, certainly some of them might be crazy or assholes. It's possible it only works for a certain type of guy. But if women want to do it, this is how it can be done. Of course then it requires social skills - which are enormously valuable elsewhere anyway - but I am not requiring anything. I would suggest you are actually terrible at reading women's intentions. I never said I was great, but I can tell…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 05:12 PM
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It's a rough idea. So is it time or fucking that is a loss Here is what I really wanted to say. This should correspond to the biological reality fairly ok: There are fixed time slots, and each slot represents a throw of dice. If the woman agrees, a man can play by paying a price and throwing the dice. If he wins, he wins the remaining time slots. So the value of the game decreases at each turn. When the woman agrees to a man to throw the dice, she risks losing the decision power for future throw…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 04:19 PM
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Things are not always black and white. The older she is, the less power she has to make decisions about who the father is going to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 03:56 PM
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It's some sort of game with a count down. We both throw a dice every minute for 10 minutes. If I get 6, I win and collect max points for all the remaining throws. If I never get 6, you keep whatever points you got (and I get nothing).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 03:46 PM
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Yes, it should be "Pregnancy usually ends casual dating".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 03:39 PM
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Commitment is a temporary pause on casual dating, but pregnancy is a definite end. Dating after pregnancy is different. Before pregnancy; the woman hands out lottery tickets to men she fucks. The tickets correspond to the chances each man has of impregnating her. The value of the tickets diminishes the more she hands out. Contraceptives can help to preserve the value in the tickets, but the value still depreciates with time. (Meaning; today's tickets depreciate less if yesterday's tickets were i…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 03:34 PM
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Pregnancy usually ends casual dating. At 30+, women become less and less worried about it. After pregnancy, dating prospects look very different. Yes, pregnancy matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 03:09 PM
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A woman carrying a baby can not be fertilized. And when she has given birth, she is most likely bound to the father of the baby. When she is fertilized, she loses the power to make decisions about the father of her children.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 02:36 PM
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This happens if a woman isn't fucking someone too. If she is fertilized, she has no more tickets to give away, possibly for many years. So she loses the power to make decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 02:26 PM
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I'm not demanding anything. I'm describing a type of interaction that I know is possible, and that makes ugly guys feel at least little bit included and better about themselves. And there’s no actual way to reject a man and have him feel great about it. Maybe not feel great, but there are many ways to reject men that do not make them feel ashamed or hopeless. If you let the guy feel at least a bit brave for trying, that's enough. For goodness sakes, bossy and dismissive are both viewed very nega…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 02:11 PM
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Biologically; she gives away a chance to fertilize her eggs, which has big irrevocable consequences for her life. It's like she gives away a lottery ticket. This bargain has various emotional consequences, which has been discussed endlessly in these columns. She also diminishes in value in the eyes of other men; basically the value of her "lottery tickets" depreciates.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 12:54 PM
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Based on my experience and observations, I understand there might be people with other experiences. But I do think there is a line between assertive/bossy and bitchy. A woman can speak assertively with the intention of helping someone, or with the intention of hurting someone. Women are bitchy when they disregard the feelings of others; for example "how can you expect anyone would want to talk to you, especially with that awful hair and those clothes.". A sister would say; "hold it bro, I can't …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 12:39 PM
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the simpler conclusion is that fear of pregnancy was the main motivator for controlling sexual behavior. It's not that simple. Family honor and inheritance were the important factors, so it's "paternity assurance" rather than unwanted pregnancy that matters. In Rome, prostitution was normal and "institutionalized", but I suspect prostitutes were specifically exempt from inheritance laws. I suspect this wasn't a problem for the romans (for example), since they needed a supply of slaves and prosti…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 12:21 PM
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When a woman has sex, she gives away something she can't regain. Men don't give away anything unreplenishable. It doesn't mean that women necessarily "lose" - it can be either a good or bad bargain.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 12:04 PM
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Birth control is irrelevant to homosexuality, but it was under just as heavy shame/cultural control.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 11:56 AM
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For example, a woman that accepts a gift or favor from a guy is breaking a boundary. A guy offering a gift is a breaking a boundary. Sometimes it's inappropriate, and people need to sense when it is. We can't really blame guys who usually don't get to socialize with women for being inappropriate when they get the opportunity. Best is probably to respond with humor in a way that doesn't shame them. If the experience is too overwhelming for the woman, then we are actually talking about two rather …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 04:16 AM
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Sisters are not "warm and friendly" with their brothers, they are assertive, bossy, and maybe dismissive. Not mean/bitchy, but neutral. It's a good way to act towards guys you don't want to lead on.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/20 03:55 AM
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Are you not saying that a "scary thing" (unwelcome kiss) happened to you when you tried to be nice to a strange guy, therefore women should not try to be nice to strangers?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 05:24 PM
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and while men might respond to it favorably in a platonic sense, it does not make them feel romantically inclined towards a woman. That's the point! That's why women need to speak to random guys in the teacher voice.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 05:20 PM
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That's what we are trying to do, but every year there are more lonely people trying to get out there.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 04:48 PM
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No, guys like these do not exist in my circles or anywhere I've been. This is the most sense I can make of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 04:38 PM
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You had a guy you were trying to be nice to impose a kiss on you. If you were comfortable with controlling your space, you would not let that happen. And if you were confident in your ability, it would less scary for you talk to strangers.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 04:33 PM
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True, but it's not much different in a gym setting. Watch a small female coach instruct guys. After class, that same coach knows how to talk to guys. Guys respond to the "authority" in the voice. Maybe female teachers become so used to the "teacher voice" that it's easier for them to speak to strangers.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 04:24 PM
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True, but the purpose is not mainly for talking to strange men, it's to gain confidence and control over interactions. When some truly weird imposing dude wants to talk, they know how to get out of it. Another observation I've made is that 30-something women can be a bit stunted socially, compared to some guys here who long ago made it part of their self-improvement project. There are reasonably HV 30-something women, not CC-riders, who are too awkward to "get out there" because it's overwhelmin…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 04:05 PM
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When you are more confident, both physically and socially, everything will seem less scary. You are not meant to actually fight anyone. Guys train martial arts because it makes them confident that they can get out of bad situations. This allows them to be more relaxed. The same thing happens socially.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 03:55 PM
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Ok. My only perspective is that it's generally harmless for women to be nice to (particularly beta or ugly) guys. In my perspective, guys generally don't assume they should escalate or try to fuck women who are nice to them. This is an alien perspective of reality to me. When it comes to the women who can't control their interactions with guys, I blame their social skills, or just general maturity. And learning to have neutral, but assertive tone, can be helpful. For example, how they talk to fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 03:50 PM
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I can't imagine who this guy is irl. I'm guessing in all parts up to "He sends me a pic of his face" there were something missing in terms of boundaries, and the part "I say sorry not interested have a bf" was too chilly and failed to acknowledge the humor in the situation. If this guy already has problems with boundaries, or is frustrated, you should pick up on this earlier. It sounds like a guy who is very sensitive. Maybe that's what you should respond when he sends his face pics: "are you se…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 03:38 PM
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Only if they give more than they get. Have decency and good boundaries. You should not even let them give more than you're willing to give.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 03:07 PM
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It's very subtle. Among teenage idiot boys, I suppose bragging about dates happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 03:02 PM
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It sounds you only have two modes: flirtatious or "bitch shield". This is obviously wrong. How do you talk to your uncles? Brothers?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 02:57 PM
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To make the other guy feel beta.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 02:50 PM
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It even means that you when speak to guys politely, assertively with well-meaning intention and without passive-aggressiveness, they understand what you mean and what you want. The gym coaches and HS teachers were youngish small women, the guys were young but large and brutish. The women were nice, relaxed and commanded respect by communicating that they understood the situation perfectly. No fear, no passive-aggressiveness. This is how ugly guys want to be spoken to by women. It's just a form o…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 02:46 PM
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It accustoms you to "control the space", physically in martial arts, but also conversationally in improv for example. You won't let people who might intimidate or "bother you" or control the interaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 02:30 PM
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I agree it's rare among women, but it is possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 12:50 PM
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This paints a clearer picture of you and your pachinko path way through life, than men in general. To female friends like this, I would advice martial arts, public speaking, improv classes, and so on. And you have to make a real effort, no just show up and believe you "ticked it off".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 12:35 PM
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Only when the women are weak and fail to "mark" boundaries. There is a way to speak to guys that 1) acknowledges the reality of the situation (that we are definitely not in the same league sexually) 2) shows courtesy (because we are both human struggling beings deserving of courtesy and respect).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 12:31 PM
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Both parties feel better about themselves and the world. (This behavior is normal in friend groups and families where this is no sexual interest.)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 12:29 PM
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There is a class of guys who expect me to "mog" them (they "brace" for it when we first meet), and I open with them as friendly as I can. The weight lifts off their shoulders. If I were a woman I would turn off social media and DM:s wherever possible. In real life, I would act towards men like a big sister, school teacher, or female gym coach would. The kick boxing coach I had got immediate respect from big guys by the way she talked and held herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 12:20 PM
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Asking for empathy is a straw man. Responses in this thread are not asking for empathy; just equal levels of decency and niceness. You'll be fine If you stop claiming victim status, and stop throwing phrases like "you've kinda lost if your a Uggo".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 12:04 PM
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Do you believe that someone else decides for women if they become bangmaids or sweethearts?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 11:29 AM
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Each woman gets to decide if she is going to be a good person or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 11:07 AM
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A "nice person" treats people in adverse circumstances according the golden rule; how they would like to be treated if the roles were reversed. In practice this means; try to leave them better/happier than when you met them. For women, this can be mean some friendly banter while also acknowledging that they are not flirting sexually. Like a well-meaning sister would. I have met very few women with this level of social skill however. Most women in social situations believe they are magic fairies …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 10:42 AM
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Being a harem bangmaid or someone's sweetheart is entirely your choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 10:28 AM
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When you get ice cream, your two scoops of vanilla and salted caramel don't taste better just because you had the option of 12 different flavors. Eventually, you want to sample all the flavors, but they're all equally good on average. When women are given the option, they will spend their youths seeking novelty and short term kicks. Men are the same, but few men can have that option. Culture can limit our options.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 10:27 AM
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The claim is never that women should "care about the plight of men". The claim is; if women optimize for long term relationships over their entire life spans (monogamy), it will benefit themselves, their children, men, and lead to stable and safe societies. if women optimize for short term relationships, it might benefit them when their bargaining power peaks in their twenties. But it is detrimental to children and 80% of men. It leads to break down of morals, and to chaotic societies where most…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/20 10:19 AM
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You would have to refer to specific arguments, otherwise this is all just strawmen.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 10:55 AM
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Are you rare in your perception? Or is there something the shorter guys you've met do specifically that impresses you?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 10:52 AM
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Do you get equally turned on by smaller or weaker men?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 10:35 AM
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There is a fantastic category of porn by the name "mixed wrestling", under which you can see amazonian women get puny guys in head locks and sit on their faces. Are you into that sort of thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 10:31 AM
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Because men are now weak losers who whine and cast blame instead of becoming something worth being attracted to. This is just a blunt way of restating the results. The question is why.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 09:28 AM
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What of this is supported by research? (I think the food for millennials was worse)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 09:06 AM
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They were raised into pussies by wokeness, feminism, helicopter parenting, and so on. Worst case, it's too late to fix by their twenties.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 09:03 AM
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Men, who on average are involuntarily single, are much less happier. The TRP vision refers to the men who stay single voluntarily in order to spin plates. Women are rarely really single involuntarily.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/20 08:22 AM
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True, women's perception of value is shallow and it's limited by their capacity to understand the context. If it looks like you are low status in meeting, that's what they believe, even if you own the company. The purpose of your presence at the meeting might be to observe and affirm, but a woman might interpret that as low status and that's what she feels. A kid boasting in a meeting while everyone pretends to not hear, will impress girl who can't pickup these signals.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 04:54 PM
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Hm. It's the same feeling of disgust I have for myself and the porn I just watched, and it lasts for about five minutes after nutting. If you make yourself into a fleshlight for some guy, he will see you as one. It's just an awkward position to be in.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 04:25 PM
1

What is "emotionally easy"?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 04:15 PM
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There is no respect at all involved. There might even be a bit of disgust, similar to how we are all disgusted by the toilet seat in a public bathroom. You are probably not "badly treated". You just get the same treatment as a plumber or painter or something like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 04:11 PM
1

But they are never the same men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 04:04 PM
1

All women have the potential to become that, just like all men have the potential to become creeps and rapists. Personality and upbringing, and so on, makes a difference. Do they give in to temptations or do they have discipline and understand consequences?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 08:52 AM
1

The question needs to be "what percentage of men have acceptable looks", but I suppose even then the responses will plucked from some fantasy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 08:38 AM
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It lets the woman understand that she is replaceable and puts her on her toes. This bothers her. It is also flatters her because she feels competitive with younger women. Women love to feel younger than they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 08:29 AM
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Most men assume the worst until you prove yourself to be honest. If you want to be high-n, you're choosing a life where you will be seen as a lying child by most adult men, who will never trust you or commit to you. There is a group of men who are so clueless and starved of affection that they will assume you're their imaginary princess, but their disgust will magnitudes worse when they find out.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 08:10 AM
1

Never in those words, of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 08:03 AM
7

Why do you believe this sample size is insufficient?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 08:01 AM
70

They don't believe it, but it's a strategy of shaming men into not bringing up the topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/20 07:47 AM
1

Average guys and girls are severely lacking in social skills, humour, charisma, and charm. Ability to take any given subject and turn it into a harmless disarming story for conversation. Interestingly, I see these qualities more often in low value men (if they have overcome shyness) because they are under more pressure to be charming.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 06:38 PM
2

The men from back then are not much different today's men. Cold approach today is seen as a cringe attempt to side-step OLD, where rejections are less awkward. Calling on the phone is seen as autistic boomer fumbling behavior. Young women today only use the phone to talk to their parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 06:32 PM
2

It is not calculated, it is observed. The reaons behind can be discussed but are irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 06:25 PM
2

Yes. I would like a woman to say "I'm attracted to you. You have to do your best to fulfill my requirements, and in return you get my complete loyalty. If you have requirements, I will also do my best."
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 05:56 PM
1

They are not talking much.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 05:42 PM
2

It lowers the value of the girls by quite a bit, and it is mentally draining on the girls. The girls I know who did this aged prematurely. The cynicism and bitterness, which solidifies in their face, came earlier than it should have.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 05:40 PM
2

To be consistent, someone rejecting the concept of SMV would also believe that sexual matches occur with uniform randomness? The reason that one guy is a 30 year old virgin, when another guy has been "spinning plates" for years, is just completely random? They just happened to come across suitable women. These roles could be flipped tomorrow, depending on chance?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 05:28 PM
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All I have to do is pretend to be unaware of SMV and I won't be affected by it? Great news for everyone! Please explain to incels immediately.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 05:20 PM
5

They don't explain to your face "I'm trying to fuck you". They just do whatever it takes to fuck you.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 05:13 PM
2

Women just want to be nice, even when no one else is looking? A woman being nice for no particular reason is a rare occurrence. Why would it be inappropriate to interpret this as interest?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/20 05:04 PM
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Because women feel that assholes are better protectors and that guys who are afraid of women are bitches.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/20 11:54 AM
6

Chad the impaler
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/20 11:41 AM
4

All guys dream of honest and innocent women but eventually realize that most women are like these sluts. It might be a slow process but eventually all guys give up the belief. The fastest way is exposing them to the reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/20 11:30 AM
1

All men are attracted to purity, but maybe not naivete. And it is defacto what FDS is aiming for by delaying sex and refusing to talk about n-count.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/20 12:23 AM
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The incel perspective is true, but not for all men of course. Most of the guys I know are better off than true incels, but they have slim chances of randomly getting into relationships, like how it happened before social media. If they are not motivated enough to make it a life priority, they will be lonely forever. These guys are a new phenomenon. The perspective here is not literally true, but it conveys the right picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 06:56 PM
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Almost anywhere these guys go, they are in the lower 50%. That's bad enough to be shameful for girls to be seen with. Girls would be broadcasting that they can't even be chad "plates", and that they are so lonely they have lost all shame. The situation is so sad. The issue is not whether these guys are untouchable, it's about the current social regime and hookup culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 06:38 PM
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Possible solutions; Increase male mortality before age 20. Some sort of hunger games scenario. Drop them off on a deserted island without food and pick up survivors a year later. Selective abortions Enforced monogamy
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 06:14 PM
1

Hardness depends on the woman, not the guy. I will concede that porn may be partly to blame. Find a man who has never seen porn, and you will have found your hard dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 06:00 PM
1

What age do you think you will be when you start to regret your decisions?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 05:53 PM
1

gym bunnies tend to age terribly Why do you think that is?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 05:51 PM
1

I struggled badly in my late teens with ugly chicks. I tried to be nice. The will was strong, but flesh weak. So to speak. I'm older now. It's true I have much higher standards. Harder now than ever for the right woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 05:46 PM
2

Women feel validated when unattractive guys are intimidated by them. The more attractive the guy, the better. Unattractive guys who truly believe they have a shot feels insulting to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 05:39 PM
2

They have no ambition to have children or families. No wall, biological clock, or menopause. Gay men can have a CC that never stops.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 05:16 PM
1

Yeah, the outlooks are different for gay men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 05:08 PM
1

Are you trying to say you're trans?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 05:06 PM
1

That's unbelievable. Maybe the incels should be selling their cum to these cucks to dribble on their "girlfriends". This can not be real ...
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 05:05 PM
1

Describe the smell
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 12:17 PM
1

When men learn from experience, they become more valuable. Their mistakes in life do not burden them permanently if they learn from them. Some women might even find a "mysterious past" intriguing. The mistakes women make in relationships burden them for life. When women learn from experience, they change category. There is no way around this. To a man looking for a relationship, a woman's value depends entirely on her purity. There are many other ways women can be valuable, but understand that f…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/20 10:25 AM
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These are the lies: "You're moving too fast" "A catholic can't date an atheist" "I'd prefer a guy with better career prospects" "I'm vegan" Later that night she sucks the dick of a satanist who works at McDonald's and eats hamburgers.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/20 09:40 AM
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Most people make these observations, but most people also take women at their words. The point is that her excuses are lies. Women do not like "nice guys".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/20 09:17 AM
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You can say "women are not a reward" but it doesn't change nature. It is what motivates men. Incels who keep going just haven't given up hope yet. It's possible that some people just can not understand this. Like how you don't understand how your body/mind will react when it's starving because you've never been close to experiencing it. At some point before you die you will eat your cat, but it seems unimaginable when you see it now.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/20 01:48 AM
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Not sure if this is ok by reddit rules. If fear or insecurity is what is holding you back, and you're on your last straw, start doing things that are dangerous for real. For example, riding motorcycles very fast, or without helmet. Whatever you would never do if you had children. If nothing else, you will get adrenaline kicks followed by that deep relaxation and fearlessness which is attractive to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/20 12:33 AM
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Sounds like a polite version of my mother. She is white European.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 11:52 PM
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Either shit or get off the pot. Not using phrase this correctly. Btw, everything was always fair game. Nothing has changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 11:05 PM
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Ok yes, but it is true for any response rate. The distribution of extreme views doesn't change. The argument against low response rates is that it is more self-selection and less random sampling. Doing a truly random sampling of the population and getting a high response rate is near impossible, I suspect. I also suspect that the quality of the responses might be lower if response rate is high, since there it requires effort to read and respond accurately/truthfully. 100% response rate might sug…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 10:32 PM
1

Atta boy.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 10:09 PM
1

Not into that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 10:00 PM
1

If you assume there is a bias that depends on response rate, then a response rate of 0.5 would be optimal (actual response rate is random) because equal numbers of positive and negative bias = neutral bias?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 09:57 PM
1

Atta who?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 09:49 PM
1

What cha want?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 09:46 PM
1

I don't know who these people are, but I guess it's ok for anyone to have fantasies. Pick better profile pics. You look fucking haunting here.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 09:43 PM
7

Is that her bath water?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 09:29 PM
1

The Beastie Boys fought, and possibly died for my right to party. This one is dumber than I thought existed. I can't make myself believe this is not a troll profile.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 09:22 PM
1

The genetics that make males look masculine might also make females look masculine. Masculine-looking females are not fun to fuck or commit to, hence fewer babies. The combinations of genetics that make both males and females of a race look attractive - masculine men and feminine women - are complicated. It can't be selected for only by the women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 09:08 PM
1

Similarly to how this generations average height is higher because women prefer taller men. Height has been increasing uncorrelated with genetics throughout 20th century. ​ But you cant count the past when it comes to penis size. Frequency of sex matters. Women fuck more when they like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 08:56 PM
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EZ
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 08:37 PM
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Are you in therapy? Get off tinder. Get in therapy. Try to make real friendships. I'm guessing years before you can look back at this and see the same craziness we are seeing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 08:01 PM
1

Were you sexually abused?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 07:54 PM
1

Men generally also don't do this. to randoms they want nothing to do with. Just me, after I took time out of my day to suck their dick. ... what went wrong in your life?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 07:49 PM
1

Ok, assuming we care about response bias, the optimal response rate should be 50%, shouldn't it, as it corresponds to a bias of around 0.5?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 06:59 PM
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The point with a complete matching is that it makes things like the 20:80 ratio impossible. A dating app that forces complete matchings would be great for everyone if it worked. The users will have to order a set of profiles, tournament style. Then a complete matching is produced every round. A daily tournament of 64 profiles is manageable, but that is a tiny proportion of a user base. For each profile that is added, worst case to re-order the list is log N choices. So some sort of tricks are ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 05:00 PM
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Ok. But if we disregard response-bias, then the only problem with response rate is statistical significance of the number of responses, which means 15% response rate out of 1000+ should be OK.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 04:36 PM
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Their lives usually don't seem better even in the first 10 years. The overall best strategy seems to be finding a good bf in the mid-twenties, or near end of university. The party girls single in their thirties have so obviously more anxiety, and whatever else is not obvious (pills, depression, stds and complications, etc.)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 04:29 PM
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No, the ones winning are the ones in meaningful relationships already in their twenties. Learning to adult, traveling, and so on in your twenties is ridiculously important for the relationship in your thirties, having children, and so on. When you're older, there are no excuses, you have to be full adult from day one. If both parties already experienced being dumb or naive together, there is nothing to hide or be ashamed about.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 04:15 PM
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Ok, but they don't say that bigger is always better. There is a "right size". Right?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 04:05 PM
1

If it is more than 50%, how do you know that the random sampling is not biased towards people who have extra special interest in responding?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 03:39 PM
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He and probably many Incels would benefit heavily if they could overcome their traumas and learn to socialize. Ok. Wow. Thanks. In reality, it's like asking someone in the desert to "just learn how to swim".
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 03:22 PM
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Everyone who spends days or weeks without in-person interactions will seem autistic in the first hour or so of interactions. Being attuned to how eye and body motions make communication is a matter of reflex and muscle memory. All people who spend time alone seem socially clumsy to casual observers. A fair assessment is that early/teenage experiences create anxiety and low confidence in incels, which then form their adult personalities. This guy might be seem attractive enough now, but at some p…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 03:11 PM
1

What is the optimal response rate?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 02:43 PM
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Women only make one decision: is the the current relationship better or worse than the proposed one? A woman won't be proposed by all men unless she rejects everyone. In the worst case, a man proposes to all women. At the last round, everyone settles because there are no other options left. If the algorithm is adapted to changing preferences and new selectable matches, it would just mean infinite time complexity. The point would still stand. The algorithm assumes that women does not factor loyal…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 02:41 PM
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All studies are conducted via sampling.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 12:53 PM
1

two years is 20% of the ten-year span 19-29.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 12:38 PM
1

Maybe they are just unwilling to report them as relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 12:34 PM
1

There is a proof for this algorithm that a higher proportion of the proposing side get higher ranks. If anything, it proves that women get a better deal approaching men for relationships. The problem, as we are discovering, is that men are not exclusive to women who approach them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 12:25 PM
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Reality is not optimizing for a "stable matching". Marriage itself is no longer a stable matching.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 12:13 PM
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In case the point of the cartoon is too obscure for some: All the accusations are being directed towards the men in the top, while the women are only experiencing interactions with the men in the bottom.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 11:54 AM
1

Not really. Saying women are more valuable than men in dating is like saying "water is more valuable than milk" because demand for water is higher than milk. They are not substitutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 11:40 AM
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Not really. They don't understand the bargain they're making. Whatever value they have, they are investing it in a fantasy that lasts only a few nights. They all regret the pain and sadness afterwards. If they would have been able to see the future, they would make different decisions. The real problem is their delusions.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 11:31 AM
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Some truly don't understand what is happening. Because they haven't experienced any real friction in life, many average girls are even less socially adept than their incel male equivalents. Their honest appraisal of reality is that they are "princesses" still deciding who is going to be their prince. Every day, there are poor guys holding doors open, fetching things, driving them around. They believe the entire male population is like the simps in their everyday lives. Then when the gaze of chad…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/20 11:19 AM
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