Why it is so common to relate women attraction to men to men attraction to men. Why not equivalently say to be attracted to ugly women? And no, it's not the same
Specifically as the only thing you need to do to get CASUAL sex? Yes I’m not talking about when you’re with them. I’m talking about when you’re alone. Maybe less like 5:1, but that's mainly what brings me pleasure
My female family members and strangers on the internet. Have you never read: just treat her like a human being, bro? For the second question, not lying like 10:1. I absolutely prioritize the pleasure of my partner always, to the point we're I can't cum if they are not visibly and clearly satisfied.
Of course we do. But I women really thought like that, it means she is really stupid. And I don't think women are stupid in general, so then she must be lying
If it was, then men wouldn't get so pissed off whenever sex workers or women they deem unattractive are suggested as a solution to their loneliness problem. This doesn't happen often
If you think like that no wonder you can't keep any friends. Please respect the decision of men to take away their friendship whenever they please. That's why men are afraid of being kind to women
I have many friends and I had many LTR in the past. I'm single now but have been on many dates, some of them with intimacy. I guess you wouldn't even imagine looking at my comment history. People can't recognize shit in other people (or am I exceptionally good at hiding it?)
Well, now you changed your arguments. But they are comparable because they are desires from the persons on the couple. You cannot force the other to do chores just as you cannot force them to have sex with you. The real answer is to leave the relationship and find someone that meets your needs.
It was natural that women had no choice but to be with men solely for the purpose of survival? While men got all of their wants and desires prioritized (virgin, beautiful, young, submissive etc) Yes
have large breasts Remove this one, it's not a strong requirement. Are men upset because they’re not seen as perfect to women Yes. Women standards are much higher than men's to be an ideal partner.
Just accept reality and eat shit is what you're trying to say, right? Your answer, although not wrong, lacks empathy to men. You kind of overlook the amount of effort and mental fortitude men must have to go looking for a partner.
What makes me upset is that women can get sex almost whenever they want and men can't, in general terms. I don't see how understanding the previous point helps
It's also easier to get a job and make friends, major things in life. Why dis you even bring incels to the discussion? You seem to be obsessed with them
Children, sick, and elderly don't make society collapse. Running out of water, electricity, internet, heating, delivery, manufactured goods... that would bring the collapse of society, and those jobs are mostly done by men
Women get showered in love just for being women much more than men do, and that's because men are hornier than women. Even if it's not what you asked, women have it much easier than men in dating and social interactions. Men complain that "women don't like that" because they have done everything that was adviced (hygiene, fitness, good job, social circles, respectful, ...) and still have no luck in dating, letting alone having sex.
So many women encourage men to approach women in appropriate places and not be afraid to shoot their shot, so I prefer to listen to those women, not you
Looking good is required for women to be treated with basic decency unfortunately. It's not. Plenty of guys do care. 99.9%? Of course not. There are no official statistics, but I'd say 50% from my experience
Something like this: I understand it's really though out there and it's actually a lot harder for men to find a partner than for women. Women will in general overlook personality if you're attractive enough, but if you can't be, then you gotta... this, this, and this. Good luck out there.
I would never offer him sex because that would be weird and he would never ask because that would be weird. The rest is ok, but I want to point out that it wouldn't be weird. Also, you didn't answer about the intimacy part of the question
Nobody is knocking on your door trying to give you a job just because you're a woman. They are, I have personally seen it several times. Jobs and scholarships given just because the recipient is a woman, rejecting more capable men for the position
Little hint here- decent women who like men for more than their looks don’t like men who are capable of thinking of all women as “hive-mind NPC’s” Complete lie
The men you're describing here are not just weak and self-doubting but the relationships they'll want will be based on keeping their partner from ever getting stronger or even very much happier. Yuck. Not true in general
Have you opened a dating app? I think men have it easier in regards to their looks. You can lack in the looks department and make up for it in other ways. Definitely not. The beauty standard for women is so much lower than for men
Many would be rightfully concerned about how the other person viewed consent and those they had sex with and whether they were violent towards sexual partners, as well as having fewer moral scruples than normal. (No matter what you say, someone who's willing to rape someone, knowing that's a risk and not caring enough to put that above the feelings of their genitals, is participating in concerning behaviour.) What? Where's the raping?
You missed the point where he said the women would have sex easily with the top tier guys, which can be many, but still have high standards. So she's a slut with high standards, it's very easy to figure out.
I do believe men should lead when it comes to dating, that way you know if he is interested in you or not How do we know if the girl is interested? And if she's not, it's just a huge waste of energy
From your posts it seems you have very poor understanding of your own and other people's sexuality, so everything around it is confusing and frightening for you. You should be a psychologist
Yes, but apparently very rarely, and they should be treated separstely anyways. I mean, also handsome and kind men can and do overlap with rapist/murderers... that doesn't mean they should be considered the same
Well, that's because your example is not real. When it happens to you on real life, your perspective might change. Look at all old women saying men shouldn't date young women, for example.
I can also tell you I didn't think about it as often when I was in a relationship, since I knew I could get it easily. But most single men don't have easy access to sex, so we have to plan for it, it doesn't just appear in front of us. Most women have easy access to sex.
Women have it so much less than men (having it only for a small subset of men specially proves my point) and for most women it is difficult to grasp how much men want sex and how frustrating it is not to get it.
I don't think it's just a matter of will, in general, our male bodies are constantly asking for it and especially when we don't have access to it. It's not something under our control.
To repeat what thw other commenter said: women want sex only with a small minority of men, which means that women have lower sex drives. If it were higher, they would have sex with anyone
I have sisters, they confirm the red pill teachings about girls only wanting hotter and taller guys and despising the ugly ones. Also, they think that being undesired is an insult.
listen to people with curiosity and really get into whatever topics they want to talk about, This doesn't make you more attractive. how to give pushback without looking like a volatile vagina. Is this a solution for the women?
I guess the complain is that these hot people can find this other person easily. For some people it's incredibly hard to find other people into them, despite constant improvement. Also, this is more prevalent in men than women.
I just got into this sub a few days ago, and didn't even think about the dating world until a few months back, because I was always in a relationship or another. My answer is that I used to meet many people from school/university and I got lucky that some of those girls got attracted to me and made it somehow obvious, and then I asked them out we had a good time and then asked if they wanted to be my girlfriend. It was easy because I already knew the answer was going to be yes.
What's the difference between APD and PPD? (I'm finding about APD just now) and I guess you're talking about illegal immigrsnts in the US, correct? I'm not from the US
These men truly believe women are rejecting these nice, shy, sweet romantic guys who treat us well over superficial shit like height. Are you talking specifically 35+?
Yes women want someone they are attracted to. If you ask men if they want to be attracted to their partners I don’t think you would have anyone say no. You said nothing
Do you realize how complicated this is and how easily we can mess up? But after reading all this, it seems the answer is that it's much better to mess up by trying than by not trying.
and if a guy didn’t do little touches I’d assume he wasn’t into me So we just gotta go for the touch. In any scenario does the woman start the scalation in your opinion?
There isn’t anything fun about a date like that, and no meal is delicious enough to suffer the romantic or sexual interest of a man she isn’t attracted to. Many women don't think like this
But there is something wrong with wanting romance or sex with someone who isn’t mutually attracted Why is that wrong? You can want anything with anyone. Wanting by itself doesn't do any damage.
You place this special value to intimacy that doesn't need to be there. It can be as special as friendship. You aren't entitled to any friendship either.
My female friends told me to do exactly that to girls I attractive, exactly as you wrote it Hey Your are cute, can i have your number" Terrible advice?
Ok. I'm curious in your case, how do you prefer that a guy approaches you to ask you out? Just skip all compliments and be direct? It seems you're wary of all men.
The women who said it was good advice also said she feels the sparks in the first few minutes of meeting the guy. Do you think in a few minutes you can be all the things you describe or it comes from physical attraction? And the situation she described was with someone with whom she already had "sparks".
But OP is discussing something that could work for the general population, not you in particular, you know? So you're POV is minimally useful for the discussion
OP is not asking for advice, first of all. And what you said only could work if the interest part is already attractive. The better advice is to be attractive. Also don't ask a fish how to fish and whatnot
But if this is false, then what? I mean if he wants to split and have a second date as well? I think this is a very stupid assumption, how can you know what the other one is assuming?
How do you know it is early? Some women prefer later, some prefer earlier, so many times it's a gamble men have to take. You could say one should read the room, this increases the chances of sex but it's still a gamble. Do you ever turn it sexual yourself?
Why do you think this? I want to know more about the woman to decide if I want a relationship or not. Doesn't mean I want to have sex with her just yet
Once a heterosexual man knows that at least one woman out there finds him desirable, then he can be pretty happy whatever his sexual choices are. How? I have this and I'm not happy. What do you mean?
Not in my personal experience. I'm a bit shy within my social circle (colleagues and friends of friends) but wouldn't give two fucks in front of strangers. I have already used "strong words" when my ex and I were being harrased by street vendors for example. Maybe I'm an outlier, I don't know.
Not necessarily, I need to get to know her a bit before, and it can be the case that I don't get the non-physical part of the attraction. Or maybe in a different setting I don't find her physically attractive anymore. As I said, it's a process of getting to know each other.
Alright, although this one seems a bit more complicated. It requires instant comedic creativity, which in my case only comes naturally with people I already know. It's a matter of practice I guess. Thanks.
It can happen that swiping 20 min everyday for weeks doesn't get a match for a man. Even then, many matches don't lead to dates, and there's time wasted in looking at each profile, thinking of something interesting to say, keeping up the flow, don't overdoing it... you're really seeing it only from the women privilege.
It doesn't matter, remove the analogies from the text and it's still understandable. In summary: you're seeing it once more only from the woman perspective.
Might be right, but if you're a women it's much easier since you don't have to put much effort to get dates. When it doesn't work, for a man it's normally a considerable amount of time and effort wasted
I kind of agree with your thoughts, except that what you're describing is already quite some analysis, so it's not consistent of you to bash autistic hyperanalysis
Hey, I can tell you that at least I am exception to your rule. I'm just jealous of how easy it is for women to fuck around, but I wouldn't mind at all sharing casual partners
Your comment is very jaded, I have never referred to young women as naive or stupid. I always consider they have the same agency as me (I'm young, but anyways)
Physically attractive, it's sometimes subjective, but there are general traits. Look them up. The point is that women in general find just a small percentage of men attractive
We are both generalizing. Some women are fine being treated as objects, and some are as you say. What percentage is what, I don't know. We'll hopefully see in the next years.
But I have never mentioned sex is owed in any way, I was just stating that the claims made by OP were not debunked. OP said they are misogynistic and whatnot, but not false. I don't know where you two got everything else. I will concede that I am stating a different point than the one OP is trying to make.
