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masculinitySensitive_Housing_85/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 02:12 AM
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Women can do this with themselves too, thou and fhey do
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 06:27 AM
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thats fair, you seem more consistent than most so
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 05:39 PM
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Actually they do, it's less because most women don't approach most. Men
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 07:07 AM
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It's not that they want to be asshole, women claim they don't like assholes , it's women that give the impression that they choose based on moral character all the time, so when they don't, it makes no sense especially for someone who is very morally because the idea is if he who is a piece of shit can get someone, why am I, who isn't a POS still struggling
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 06:49 AM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 06:41 AM
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Anti femininits, trad wives, MRA, non feminist, men, conservatives e.t.c, There are more but those are just examples
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 10:58 PM
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Being a feminist isn’t a relationship role; it’s a belief in an ideology. An ideology that doesn’t automatically make someone a good or bad partner. People often generalize because many feminists present themselves as moral beacons, so when flaws are noticed and questions are asked, they may deny it. You could argue this applies to other groups too, but it seems they aren’t held to the same standard because they dont give this level of charity to any other group they disagree with.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 09:38 PM
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A man who protects , provide , for the family
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:27 PM
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feminism is the advocacy of women to achieve the goal of equality; it doesn't mean they don't have a preference for traditional men in relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 02:45 PM
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A trad wife isn’t the opposite of a feminist, and it seems there’s some misunderstanding about what a trad wife is. They take care of the home and their partner when he’s there. A feminist doesn’t necessarily have to see men as partners; they can still view men as a paycheck and not actively support their partner. Assuming that being a feminist automatically makes someone a good romantic partner isn’t true, and assuming feminists can’t have traditional expectations of men while not fulfilling th…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 02:12 PM
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I am fine with caveat it's not always 50/50 all the time but in situations that aren't lopsided yes it is
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:14 AM
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That's the baseline then your example doesn't matter either
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 09:10 PM
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You aren't getting it, you assuming logic some people just like taking advantage of others even people who are poor, a woman doesn't need a reason to take advantage of someone, neither does a man, why marry if I can just have sex with someone else and leave, you are looking for basis, even thou ther doesn't need time be, I don't have to be rich for a woman to use me away a wallet, I just have to be willing to do what she wants
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 06:07 PM
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not really, there are women who use their partner as wallets , there is real difference in motives, you are looking for a way to apply this specifically to men and i dont get why
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 05:44 PM
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ok not loyalty , but a 50/50 is not a basis for a redflag, is poor behaviour that is basis for that , if you dont want your relationship to be 50/50 say that but the issue isnt the 50/50
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 05:44 PM
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but this goes both ways whay are you making it sound unique to men
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 05:14 PM
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I think it’s a dumb take. Whether a man splits things 50/50 or follows a strictly traditional approach doesn’t make him more or less loyal. This applies to both women and men, there are men who cover everything financially, even hire a maid, and still get cheated on, sometimes losing their money and kids in the process.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 05:12 PM
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Lol you don't get to determine that lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 03:22 PM
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I don't know whether or not it will lead to better outcome but i am saying men approaching doesn't always or even mostly lead to success and they should approach when they want to , who they want to and when they think it is likely to lead to success, but I think the same applies to women biology doesn't entitle men to anything but it's the same for women
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 03:18 PM
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I don't think it's better for everyone, if you want to approach, approach if you don't, then don't however if someone wants you or is interested in you, it's up to them to get your attention or approach you themselves and that includes women, no one is entitled to anything even women, as for expectation I don't believe either gender should have that expectation
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:39 PM
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I don’t agree because I don’t think feminism is truly against gender roles for men, only for women. If it were, there would be equal effort in addressing the gender expectations placed on men and in calling out not just men, but also women who engage in and expect those roles from men. That doesn’t happen often, so I’m not convinced. I do agree on one point: feminism gives men an excuse not to participate, not because the movement inherently supports it, but because men are no longer obligated t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 01:22 PM
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this is somehow changed because you approached him, men still approach women and still make this complaint , but as i said before a man approaching you doesnt somehow make him a better man , and you sleeping with him is not payment for a relationship, you can choose to stop the relationship, just like men can choose to end a relationship that doesnt follow through, you know just like how if you dont have sex with them , they move on , or if you somehow show red flags they move on
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:25 PM
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i guess when women complain, its because they dont care
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:34 PM
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this implies dating always leads to relationships or that there arent people who date for fun or for other reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:31 PM
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in that case, maybe men complaining is actually a good strategy then
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:30 PM
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i disagree, unless the person lies to you then you are not actually entitled to a relationship, except you somehow see sex and payment for that
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:29 PM
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you do know even if they approach you , they can still waste your time which is the point, if it was that you were saying yes based on seriousness then sure, women say yes to men who they find attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:26 PM
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its not about law, if men arent approaching those women its because there is no incentive to approach, its up to women to approach those specific men in that scenerio , because those men have less to gain approaching them
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:23 PM
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by that logic no woman should complain about men not approaching them , and they shouldnt complain when a guy they like doesnt notice them
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:19 PM
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this is a risk regardless of who approaches
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:18 PM
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you approaching doesnt change this
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:15 PM
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you are right, its a double standard and its not really justifiable anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:43 PM
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Maybe you but women in general, we don't know this
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 08:36 AM
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How you treat might be different from what this answer suggest
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 08:31 AM
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Women have done this too
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 08:22 AM
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Lolll
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 08:17 AM
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You are right men can reject women but it is statisically true that they are more open than women
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 08:16 AM
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You are being treated the way average men are being and you think that's unfair, why
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 08:03 AM
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This is kind of his point, it is sold as a meritocracy , it's not
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 08:17 PM
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That's not the point thou, results is what we are talking about not whether someone is truly good or not
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 08:15 PM
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I don't think men's value has decreased and I don't think it should radicalize, I think men should just get used to being single and they will be fine
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:16 AM
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I agree with Richard Reeves but and I am not for generalisation but I am for holding the movement accountable for its shitty member , they don't do that, and the reason i am is reasonable, the charity you are requesting for them is not something they award to other groups they disagree with, even this one, they aren't deserving of that charity
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/07/26 10:28 PM
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I don't think you get to decide that as a generalisation for you sure but people have casual sex for multitude of reason not just based on the criteria you assume is important
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:14 PM
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i agree with this take
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/07/26 03:42 PM
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you would have to find 10 misogynist explicitly associated and praised by MRAs or even this sub
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/07/26 03:38 PM
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Oh the same applies to men, men don't always know what they want, and just like women, men aren't a monolith
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:30 PM
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You do realize a lot of women also echo red pill beliefs, right? If listening to and observing women was the best or the even the ultimate solution, then many of those red pill theories wouldn’t hold any truth. You’re assuming women always know exactly what they want or are clear-cut in their preferences, but believing women doesn’t always work, if it did, everyone would follow their advice and be feminists. Even your point on feminism isn’t entirely accurate: most anti-suffragettes were women, …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 12:16 PM
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Men do speak about this issues, but they dont get wide spread support from the general society , and usually they get shit talked by bigger movements
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 11:53 AM
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Then there is no issue then, but if you are then , it's a double standard
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 07:06 AM
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This isn't about whether the looks are respectful or not it's about pretending you aren't doing it for male attention
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 06:58 AM
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Okay, but how many men actually do this? This seems like a serious outlier. Your argument is based on a weak premise, using an outlier to make a point rather than reflecting a common pattern of behavior. you are cherry the most extreme and asking for why they would do this , most men do not do this , no i mean most women encourage marriage more than men overall , its not usually not men forcing marraiges
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 01:36 PM
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This is a straw man, most men consider finances before considering entering a relationship much less getting married , if anything it's usually women insisting on marriage even progressive women
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 12:43 PM
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Most women don't have to do this, they do this because they want to attract a specific man, you aren't entitled to a man you, it's up to you to appeal to him and it's not by force, you choose to do this
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 10:02 AM
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You aren't getting, they don't have to get into a relationship , they have to get a job, they have to explore
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 10:00 AM
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I don't want a relationship where I would be judged at all, just be loved for me and I would love them for them, if you asked the same. Question the other way round for women what should the answer be
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 10:00 AM
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You assume doing these things lead to the results by defualt this is not true, women also aren't clear on what they seem desireable most of the time
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 09:53 AM
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Men don't complain about women wearing revealing clothing thou, rarely see this happen. Also women outright whine about men looking at them at the gym and finding them attractive, men don't, if you aren't trying to get male then you have the right to complain but if you are then you are the issue here, you deny the intention behind it and gaslighting men for calling your BS out
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 09:45 AM
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I disagree, I would argue most men would be fine being stay at home husband, you see just under the assumption that Stay at home husbands are popular with women, women also want a man with finance in fact one of the reasons a lot of men aren't dating is particularly because they don't have the means to finance a family
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 08:17 AM
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Are you kidding me, the wizard liz
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 06:41 AM
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You can have any preference, you arent just entitled to men meeting them, you look for the man you want and then appeal to him, if you can't then that's on you
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 06:21 AM
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It being way less predatoru depends on the woman
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 06:43 AM
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If they are too scared to talk to men then op is right, they don't want to approach men and they don't want men approaching them
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 06:41 AM
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Not the person in your life but the person you are romantically involved with , that being said no one is perfect but in all fairness you are asking for more charity than you afford, the op point is actually a reasonable reaction to someone pulling away and not receiving info on why, if they reach out and you don't respond the ball is in your court
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:59 PM
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Ok
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:49 PM
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That's not having more option that's just not participating
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:44 PM
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That's something you Inform your partner, if you aren't telling them why you are distant rhats poor communication
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:41 PM
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Ok sure but what does this have to do with having more option
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:38 PM
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Desirable in what regard thou
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:38 PM
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Men don't deny doing this, women absolutely deny that they treat women better based on attraction, its women who claim that what makes men attractive to them is deeper than looks, it's not thaten think it's discrimination it's that women are claiming they don't do this
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:27 PM
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for dating no
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 11:16 PM
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UK wasn't a matriarchy but I wouldn't call it a patriarchy either
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 11:03 PM
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it not just economics, gender relations wer less polarlising and the social media wasnt as prominent
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 10:04 PM
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Traditionally masculine traits aren’t by default conservative; they’re just more likely to encourage conservative tendencies, because it's conservatives who encourage that form of masculinity. I also think there’s some confusion between liberal and progressive. The issue is that progressive women often claim you don’t need to present your masculinity in a specific way, but that doesn’t necessarily matter when it comes to attraction because attraction isn’t logical. Just because they say they’re …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 08:54 PM
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First off, it’s not about whether a preference is valid, but whether it creates an obligation for either gender to meet it. Relationships are about compromise, so both sides need to give and take. Everyone has their preferences, men included, and if someone doesn’t meet yours, you wouldn’t lower your standards, which is fine. The same goes for men. No one should be blamed for their preferences, but everyone is responsible for the results they get in dating, regardless of gender. It’s perfectly f…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 08:39 PM
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They are now less interested in relationships and less willing to compromise, yet their requirements have grown, and their expectations have become more rigid compared to their view on masculinity. Compared to the past, fewer people are involved, and the tools men once used to navigate these dynamics have diminished.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 08:18 PM
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women have a part to play as well , but so do men its multi faceted
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 08:15 PM
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The only thing that makes patriarchy unique is the leadership of men, nothing else. Not gender roles, not traditional expectations of men, not even what’s considered toxic masculinity. It’s solely the leadership aspect that sets patriarchy apart.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 07:51 PM
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millenial men didnt have the same economic challenges , that gen Z does
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 07:48 PM
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This is relatively true; however, I think much of it comes down to social change not catching up with expectations and economic changes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 07:44 PM
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If a man wants a relationship with a woman, he’s the only one who wants something. And what he wants is a woman. Women don’t have to do anything because he’s already decided he wants one. thats not how relationships work
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 07:40 PM
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ok what is masculinity
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 06:29 PM
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The qualities ahe is talking about traditional masculine qualities not looks thats the issue here
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 05:31 PM
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Fair enough
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 04:08 PM
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That doesn’t make sense. Women can be single too. If the claim is that more men are single not by choice, that’s fine, but it should also be shown that women choose to be single because they see it as better, not because they can’t find the man they want. They don’t actually have more options, since that would suggest there are more men than women, and in reality, more men are actively seeking relationships than women. Dating apps give women more opportunities because men are more likely to init…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 03:54 PM
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What does this have to do with my point
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 12:34 PM
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You can be conditioned and still fail at something, but being conditioned is not an excuse for making poor choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:04 PM
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Okay, sure, you’re right; you can be progressive and still express traditional masculinity. Apologies, what I disagree with the guy in the video on is the idea that he can prescribe a form of masculinity as if it's the correct version; that's antithetical to the idea that masculinity shouldn't be restrictive
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 11:42 AM
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No, you don’t get to decide the masculine expression that individual men, or men as a whole, choose to show. You can only encourage the one you want and hope they decide to embody it. Even if they have the qualities you want, if you’re looking for that type of man, it’s up to you to embody the qualities that kind of man desires. This video also goes on the assumption that women by default embody the qualities these type of men want, we dont know this.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 11:12 AM
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People are advocating for women not to adhere to gender roles at all they aren't doing that for men, otherwise this video wouldn't exist
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 08:34 AM
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Exactly, conservatives are the ones who promote this kind of masculinity. You don’t even have to be conservative to appeal to it; you just need to find a way to meet these men halfway. I don’t think the type of men these women want would necessarily date them, because there’s no way for a guy to know which woman embodies the type of femininity he’s looking for unless he talks to her. It’s conservative women who encourage traditionalism, while progressives are the ones who reject it. They even cr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 08:13 AM
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Why is a progressive making a prescription for masculinity, I thought the point was to not let any gender be confined to their roles, if you want a gender roles more performed it's up to you to encourage by giving incentives to prefer that role
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 08:05 AM
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Love how I didn't even mention feminsim, I also don't have issue with this dude, I just don't get the if the prescription is somehow in line with the type or even the ideo of masculinity progressives push for
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 07:49 AM
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Men dont pretend to be shallow about looks
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 10:46 PM
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To be fair I don't think they should be granted that level of charity
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 07:42 PM
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The issue is that is subjective, there is no objective basis they can use to counter it
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 07:40 PM
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Clavicular no but Bonnie blue and lily Phillips sure however this only applies to sex positive feminist, the problem is they blame rather than sex positive feminist or Bonnie blue which I don't think they should but for non sex positive it doesn't actually contradict, it's just the target of their rage should be Bonnie blue and lily Phillips or even sex positive feminists
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 07:38 PM
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I mean this is kind of what they are doing and women still whine about it, people kept shitting on the mgtow, even hook up culture lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 07:36 PM
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Everyone wants to be loved, i agree but its way more than just why cant you just give up, when they do , society tend to judge people who are uncsuccessful with relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 07:45 AM
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You are right it's not but that's the point, if it's not then you would be judged by what you claim is the most important factor
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:51 AM
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This is kind of this point right, women claim their attraction is less shallow than men okay then sure so why are you acting like the judgment is coming from men
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:50 AM
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I disagree , women are the ones who imply they are deeper in terms of ttraction than men, it's usually not men , men have never deny that physical attraction is what moves them , women tend to deny that physical attraction is what moves them
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:48 AM
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men have low standards for sex , but not relationships, it takes alot for a dude to propose or want to marry you,
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:11 AM
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Lol fo almost all women want to reproduce
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 11:59 AM
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What makes it bad in this context,?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 07:10 PM
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I don't think ultimatums are bad, it depends on context
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 06:58 PM
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It can come off sure but you are the ascribing, aside from your own opinion, there is no real basis to claim he is being manipulative, also, what lines again wanting sex in a relationship doesn't guarantee the relationship should continue, this is parallel to men paying on dates, it doesn't guarantee anything
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:02 PM
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Based on what, you are the only person implying intention here, you don't know this , also sex is not payment for relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:55 PM
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Not really, if he was dressing it up as exploring romantic compatibility then he would bring up sex as multiple, according to post, he expressed he wouldn't continue the relationships, if there was no sex and he chose to be straight forward meaning when she said I don't know, he took as no, she invited him later and he asked again, how is that manipulative, she can say no
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:51 PM
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If he is being direct how is it manipulative
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:47 PM
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Yeah they aren't claiming the other person is wrong for not ending things either, in this scenario, the women are saying, he is wrong for being direct
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:45 PM
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I am asking you what the moral judgment is, you are claiming there is, okay so what's the basis
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 07:18 AM
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Bad thing for their goal, not bad as a concept, can you prove this
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:50 AM
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Wrong again cuck means you let your partner sleep with other men , beta means weak, if you are weak, it means you lack the skills to be successful in dating , at least they think this, a cuck doesn't get sex, redpillers measure success based on sex, they don't believe a cuck is having sexe hence the insult, what context, what connotations
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:34 AM
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Except it can, you can explain what flirting and get evidence on the most successful types of flirting, you can study if specific dating event actually leads to success, Dr K has done this, but it doesn't claim it's an absolute guarantee but this increases your chances, I never claimed redpillers do this so
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:28 AM
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Being a simp, beta, or cuck, isn't considered morally, they just consider it weak, not bad, they think it doesn't work or isn't respected
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:25 AM
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Yes you are right on that
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:24 AM
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You can be anti feminist and left wing
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:23 AM
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It's not accountability, accountability means being held accountable for your actions, this isn't about actions, it's about success and in this case effort deosnt guarantee success
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:22 AM
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They aren't moralising being a smile, they are calling you that because they believe being a simple or beta doesn't work with women
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:21 AM
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Perception sure not the actual ideology
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:19 AM
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No one, but moral judgment about dating failures, especially towards men, seems to come more from progressives than from redpillers. I’m not sure about tough love, but saying it’s your responsibility to improve your dating life is different from saying it’s your fault. Sometimes things aren’t your fault, but if you want them to get better, it’s up to you to fix them. You can say it’s someone’s responsibility without claiming their failure is solely due to lack of effort. These ideas aren’t mutua…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:09 AM
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I never said they were unideological, but they’re more likely to admit the blame isn’t solely on you. Blue pillers aren’t like that, and most normal people aren’t always upfront that dating advice doesn’t guarantee success, which is the real issue. It’s not that the advice is worthless, but blue pillers tend to place more blame on the individual regardless of the effort put in, even thou the effort never guaranteed success in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:50 PM
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It’s not that it doesn’t work, but more that no one really has solid, evidence-based dating advice. Red Pillers claim theirs works, and for some people, it can. for you to give proper non toxic dating advice, you have to acknowledge that it might not work and its not your fault. Progressives usually don’t give men that level of grace except for people like Dr. K, and they tend to focus more on women. Men don’t necessarily need dating advice; they need honest discussions about their issues from a…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:38 PM
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That doesn’t make sense. The red pill isn’t enforcing this; they’re acknowledging what’s already enforced. If we were actually dismantling these roles effectively for both men and women, the red pill wouldn’t exist. They rely on gender relationships to make their observations, but observation isn’t the same as endorsement. It’s about examining how society views and treats gender and its roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:26 PM
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That’s what I’m saying, the red pill isn’t inherently right-wing; it just happens to have more right-wing people associated with it. Unlike feminism, which is left wing because it’s politically motivated as well , the red pill isn’t driven by politics. It’s more of a descriptive and prescriptive framework about dating and gender dynamics. While many followers may hold political views, the framework itself isn’t a complete political ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:23 PM
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You’re misunderstanding what I’m saying. Based on red pill values, they can align either way because they’re not actually pro–gender roles edi: whether conservatives live up to their is a different conversation, i am talking about redpillers not them
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:07 PM
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The red pill and conservatism are related in public perception, but they are not the same ideology. Traditional conservatives generally emphasize marriage, family stability, responsibility, and protection, while many red pill spaces focus more on sexual strategy, hypergamy, status, and male self-improvement. That distinction matters because conservatives can reject aspects of red pill culture while still holding traditional views about gender roles. At the same time, politics still affects datin…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 09:54 PM
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I don't think they are behaving the way they have been instructed , I think they are just not seeing the value of IRL approaches and choosing to do it less, approaching isn't always fun and if men are doing it less, it is simply because it is now less worth it
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 07:06 AM
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You don't have way better odds IRL , no evidence actuslly supports this
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:39 AM
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Its possible , but it's not because approaching in person is superior, there are people you would never want approaching you or never date in real. Life but you swipe right because dating apps are curated, it does both ways, the reason this advice sucks is because in person approaches aren't by defualt better than dating. success doesn't improve automatically because you approach in person , can it sure but that isn't because dating apps are inferior, rejection rate is high regardless, it's not …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:36 AM
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I don't think women k ow when to open up then, I think people are just more considerate of them opening up
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:51 AM
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YOU ARE THE ONE MAKING THE CLAIM, YOU SHOULD HAVE THE PROOF
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 08:06 AM
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i dont actually buy that obese women get curve as much as people claim , never have i seen this expressed in mass as a dating issue by them , they might get less attention compared to average women sure, but no attention , fuck no, thats BS
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 08:31 PM
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I am not a feminist because u don't sub to feminsit theory I don't think it's absolute, they usually think it is, it is also not a good frame work to address men's problems or the interests of men
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/07/26 05:27 PM
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yes whats your point
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 09:09 AM
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Aside from the 25 years aspect, there is no real argument against this
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:09 AM
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I mean sure
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:04 AM
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No I think the father matters here too
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:04 AM
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Not really, if you want them to punish men they can do that
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:03 AM
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I agree
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:24 AM
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I don't know that's depends on them , if they want relationships they need to like men, I don't think they care for relationships so
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:48 PM
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I don't think men need to change to suit dating, just to Improve themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:47 PM
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How did thru weaponise young men's inability to make them right wing explain it
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:41 PM
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You are right , women don't like men and men should just focus on other things rather than dating
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:36 PM
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Ok that's a better argument
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 01:53 PM
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Then they shouldn't be taken seriously
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 12:58 PM
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And even with that all or nothing they are usually still inconsistent
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:29 AM
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The biggest reason the red pill is popular is because it highlights real behaviour that people don't like to acknowledge exist in dating, for example even if progressive reject gender roles being forced it doesn't mean they reject it as a preference so they don't believe they should live by it but they want that preference for their relationship, it's inconsistent but you can't point out hypocrisy because it's based on choice not actually destroying gender roles, if they wanted to destroy gender…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:17 AM
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Liberals don't reject gender roles, they reject the idea that it should be forced, an obsession with body count is not a political idea, you are also under the assumption that you have to be conservative to be pro gender roles , you do not, you can subscribe to gender roles and want low body count and be liberal, it's about choice not rejection , red pill philosophy is not in opposition to liberalism because it doesn't force its view on other by default, you can choose to reject it, that's why t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:58 AM
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You aren't getting this , they deny the premise that there are women like this
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:56 AM
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Men have never denied that crazy girl can be attractive in fact, there is a reason don't stick your dick in crazy is such popular advice
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:53 AM
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Men don't deny this thou, women tend to deny this
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:52 AM
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Oh they say that a lot, they clain they are ibcels because of misogyny
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:49 AM
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correct edit: for IRL Approaches too
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 08:31 AM
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thats because lottery tickets are cheaper in comparision, and even if the odds are low the rewards are high, this is not the same as dating edit: you have not established, that approaching in person hs a higher return on investment compared to dating apps
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 08:08 AM
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This isn’t necessarily true. If that were the case, more men would approach in real life than on dating apps and they wouldnt be more on dating apps compared to women, .
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 07:34 AM
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oh i agree with you , i am saying they dont have real arguement agaisnt his point
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 07:26 AM
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you can only make this take if you actually have proof that approaching real life is worse than dating apps but we don't have evidence for this , and that it is universal, rejection rates are high regardless of medium , its not the worse, but that's because it's not actually inherently better, it depends on the person, the better argument you would have made would be what is the incentive to approach in person or if the cost to benefit is worth approaching in person than it is online, and if it'…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 07:23 AM
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because there is no real arguement, its not that the advice is worse, but its not way to determine that IRL are by default better than dating apps for everyone, they is very little evidence supporting the idea that dating apps are overall worse than in person approaches
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 07:17 AM
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people might not be a monolith, but that doesn't prove your point, because it can also apply to dating apps
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 07:11 AM
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i kind of disagree, i dont think talking to people in person is inherently better than a bar, it depends on the situation and the person, unfortunately , even in real life , the rejection rate is still significantly higher than the success rate, its almost on par with dating apps so , his take has some merit , however you are right, its not the worst advice but people overstate how much of an improvement approaching in real life is
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 07:06 AM
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It's not usually what happens lol You are right and they usually do
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 03:43 PM
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Actually no, they open up about work stuff, not making enough money, body image issues, e. T. C you only care about the ones opening up about women because that's the aspect you want to shit talk
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:09 PM
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Being a victim is not the same as acknowledging problem, being a victim is asserting that you can't do anything about the problems, not talking about it and handling it yourself is doing something about it
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 11:43 AM
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Give examples please
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:47 AM
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Exactly they are acting like redpillers caused widespread hatred of men but like they were already hating men before
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:47 AM
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Do you know what manosphere is
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:45 AM
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Because it is, like fundamentally, manosphere is not a belief, it's a label it's not even consistence label
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:45 AM
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Yeah, that’s another issue, they forget that their philosophy is mainly from a women’s perspective and interpretation. They rarely center men’s perspectives, so the idea that men should follow their philosophy is based on something they haven’t really proven that their philosophy is what’s best for men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 10:54 PM
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It seems you view gender equality as women heing free from gender roles , and not both genders being free from gender roles
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 09:19 PM
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even when they want men advocating for themselves, they want it done through a feminist lens, the issue with that, is that a feminist lens prioritzes womens expereince and feminist theory , not neccessarily men or even mens interpretation of the issue , so why they think thier own lens is the best is beyond me, any thing independent is met with skepticism everytime even when its by someone supportive of their cause , e,g Dr, k or chris willaimson who arent anti feminist who arent anti feminist b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 08:59 PM
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MRA dont reject feminism as an idea, they reject the movement based on its conduct,if anything its usually feminist who reject mens rights advocacy as an idea on its , some not doing doesnt mean the movement itself is pro male advocacy
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 08:40 PM
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Ok you know what fair, I will grant you that, there is one more thing I need to confirm , do you have a higher expectation from men or this or feminists because even in this scenario, it's feminist not making an equal space for men in their movement not the other way around,it'sf supposed to be them reaching out to us not men reaching out to them, so who is your expectation more aimed at, Edit: Men arent the one excluding themselves from the idea or from feminism, its feminist that are excluding…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 08:29 PM
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That's fair, I do think we shouldn't do that as well. Edit : my standard for feminist will usually be higher because they claim to be of a morally higher standard compared to this group
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 08:14 PM
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That’s fine, and I can apply this to you as an individual, which I am doing in good faith. You haven’t provided a basis to apply this to the movement, and if you are the exception, I can only apply it to the exception, not the whole. I’m fine with striving to be good, but that doesn’t mean I can’t have standards for a movement or judge it. Whether I agree with some of its ideas doesn’t mean I can’t judge it as I see fit. I think you’re mistaking judgment of feminism as a knock on the person judg…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 07:14 PM
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not you specifically, the movement does not , they do not hold this standard for any other of its detractors, from MRAs, TERFS, Pro Life, Conservatives, Redpillers, Manosphere( this isnt worse because its not even a movement , its a label slapped on anyone they deem nanosphere not even based on the individuals themselves ), incels , the male loneliness epidemic is consistently shit talked by feminist, men , anti feminist , even liberal feminists and this isnt just based on conduct, they outright…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 07:10 PM
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Now to the point where I disagree with you. As I consider the emotions of resentful women (point 4), I consider the emotion of resentful (of feminism) men too. This is why I made the post trying to bring a discussion. If I didn't care about the emotion of men being unjustly treated by feminists, I wouldn't have joined the sub, and I would have consider it just a bunch of misogynist men talking to each other. Instead I'm here not negating the dangers of current feminists discourse, and trying to …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 07:04 PM
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the idea maybe, but feminism is more than the idea, it is a movement, at face value the idea is good, but a movement is never taken at face value , again you dont even apply this standard to your detractors edit : and when i say level of grace i dont just mean the conduct of their detractor, but even the base level idea of their detractors even if if you think about it , its not completely unreasonable , they outright reject it
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 06:34 PM
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The feminist movement doesnt give this level of charity to its detractors thou, so even if you think it has value, you are asking for more good faith than what is being offered
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 06:31 PM
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its not about not expecting them to feel resentment, its that you are pretending that resentment doesnt apply in feminist theory or ideology, or that it isnt shown in practice
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 06:24 PM
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i dont know if feminist hate men, but men are definitely very low on their priority list, some of them helping men is not an a statement of the entire movement , just of those people, it doesn't mean they get the support of the whole movement or even most of the movement, in fact a lot of them usually get pushback from within the movement, i also noticed you bring up bell hooks she seems to be the go for any criticism about how feminist treats men , even thou thats just one feminist thinker and …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 06:23 PM
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You are correct but more so because effort and a relationship meeting your standards doesn't mean you will feel more fulfilled in the relationship, it also doesn't mean you will get one or even one up to your standard, this can only work if logic is the only thing at play or if you are completely shallow, but that's not how emotions work
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 11:10 AM
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You can't is my answer, enough is not based on results in this situation, its based on the other persons perception of your effort , not on the effort you actually put
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 09:49 AM
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The issue attraction isn't based on logic but perception of the person you are trying to attract , logic has to account for both parties, you can't fully account for perception because it is independent of effort Edit: lack of success doesn't equal lack of effort
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 09:28 AM
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How is enough characterized in this regard
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 09:18 AM
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That's not how attraction works
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:55 AM
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No I think men put enough effort, I just effort doesn't translate to success in terms of attraction
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:47 AM
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How is that show of appreciation, are they doing better than the general public, do they get accolades that put them a over the average citizen , is their pay extremely high. Are they given the best resources to adjust to civilian lives edit: the show od appreciation is symbolic but it doesnt mean they are adequately compensated for their service
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:04 AM
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It's not about why should we send the weaker gender, being weak doesn't absolve you of duty, it's being incapable that does, whether barbarians did it or not is irrelevant, I am asking for a reason why it's wrong to send women to war along side men, rather than just men
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 07:48 AM
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Lol sure because the men were showned gratitude
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 07:41 AM
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Women should fight because women also live in that country, simple as, having fighting age men doesn't entitle them soilders by default because if it did, that would also apply to women
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 07:41 AM
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That's not a basis for why they shouldnt fight wars, it's just a basis for why men are better fight, not being better doesn't mean you should be excluded give a tangible reason, as for create, this only matters if women are actually having children
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 07:38 AM
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Oh really what metric are we using here
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 07:33 AM
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I thought men and women were equal
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 07:31 AM
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Even if they do, that doesn’t make them egalitarian. Egalitarianism means taking everyone’s issues equally seriously, and feminists don’t do this for men, women are centered , men are not , but function , they are not egalitarian, whether they care about men is irrelevant , its about equally prioritizing, they do not equally prioritize men Edit: this isn't even the main point OP demand of men doesn't make sense
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 07:06 PM
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what does this have to do with whether feminism is functionally egalitarian
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 07:02 PM
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ok what does that have to do with my point
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 06:56 PM
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I’m not asking feminism or feminists to champion men, prioritize men, or center men. Having political power in society isn’t the same as having power or influence within the feminist movement, and just because men passed certain reforms doesn’t mean they were the largest group involved or the ones most influencing feminism. Since it’s been acknowledged that feminism centers women and that women are its primary constituency, why is it on men to shape how feminism is viewed? They aren’t the main r…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 04:37 PM
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My point isn't about what men have lost because of feminism, nor about what you think feminism is meant to be. It's that the movement, as it exists today, doesn't center men, it centers women. even if you think feminism benefits men or is for everyone, it doesn't mean men have equal influence over its priorities or direction. So why would men's opinions be the deciding factor in shaping the movement? If women are the primary members and the movement's leadership, institutions, and discourse are …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 02:32 PM
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you arent getting it , its not on men to support the good feminist, its on feminists to support the good feminists, why are you putting that burden on men , and what change do you think it would bring to the feminist movement if men supported those feminists, if mainstream feminists are bigots, its on feminists to criticise them , not men, they don't care about the opinions of men, they do care about the opinions of feminists thou
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:17 PM
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thats not the question, OP is acting like our male ancestors would be good for women or even care about the opinions of women, if they ruled by fear why would you see them as the better option compared to the men of today
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:14 PM
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they most common and most popular names in feminism , arent the most egalitarian, they dont portray men in the best way, the media they show the most, their conversation when it comes to men isn't the best, if the egalitarian feminists was the most common then i would agree with you, they aren't edit,: they don't have to be, they don't have to cater to the way men should view them but like why is it on men to find the egalitarian feminists
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:01 PM
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are modern women obeying men
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:57 AM
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like its actually odd , men are secondary in the movement, this isn't even my take, thats what they say and claim and their actions prove , why would men's opinion matter in the movement
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:28 AM
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this only matters if men have an equal position or stake in, feminist goals, activities and feminist discourse, they don't . The priority of feminism has always been, and will always be, women. Men come second, both within the movement and in its goals. So how does their influence matter if the people leading and targeted by the movement aren’t moved? Men’s influence on feminism is secondary and not on equal footing with women, so it’s unclear why their influence or even support would lead to si…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:24 AM
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why would they need the help of men and non-feminist and why are they entitled to it
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:14 AM
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Men do support such women, you are just under the idea that they are common, or that they are the most commonly portrayed form of feminists, in most media, or even the most supported, if their own movement doesnt support them, why are you putting the expectation of support on men instead of the movement, its the movement that should be portraying the best version of themselves not the group they shit talk edit: Two other things, they don't have to cater their messaging to men, they make that ver…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:42 AM
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It doesn’t have to be about legality, but more about a lack of conditions. The benefit to men in this case is very conditional; it doesn’t really change anything, and they don’t directly influence the decision, only indirectly and if certain conditions outside of their control are met. Regardless of their preference, they can’t do anything to change it, and it doesn't affect their gender roles positively or negatively
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:13 PM
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Those are important structural and legal improvements, but they aren't necessarily examples of disadvantages that every woman experiences daily. Not every woman wants to vote, attend college, join the military, run for office, or get divorced. Likewise, while opening a bank account independently was an important legal right, many women weren't interacting with banks every day, so the impact was often indirect rather than a daily obstacle. I would grant the issue of marital rape, that was an obje…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:07 PM
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alright , i gave another answer which she replied to , but as i said , neither she nor you have an asnwer to the question
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 08:49 AM
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Most men do not benefit, and deciding as a couple is a personal matter that affects both parties and it only matters if the woman values her partner’s opinion. Again, this depends on the woman, it’s not a decision a man can make alone, but one a woman can make on her own. How is this hard to understand? And what do single mothers have to do with this conversation?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 08:48 AM
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what direct benefit do they get
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 08:40 AM
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its a dishonest question, the standard is applying isnt even something she can apply to women , if you ask for the benefits to their lives
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 08:36 AM
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You are deflecting; that's not the conversation. They asked what disadvantages feminism gave to men. I answered, am I wrong that it is a disadvantage
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 08:26 AM
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i gave an answer, then asked the question
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 08:25 AM
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The point isn't whether some men can benefit from an abortion taking place. Obviously, some do. My point is that abortion doesn't represent a direct gain for men as men. The legal right belongs to the woman. If she wants an abortion and he doesn't, she can still have one. If he wants an abortion and she doesn't, he has no legal ability to compel it. His role and legal position haven't changed. So, while some men may benefit when their partner chooses abortion, that's an indirect or incidental be…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 08:24 AM
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It's not even a vague answer. If you create gender-specific initiatives to address what is fundamentally a gender-neutral need, then you've created an institutional disparity. That's a concrete disadvantage. The reason you can't point to someone's personal life as evidence is that movements make claims about populations, not individuals. Individual outcomes are influenced by countless factors besides gender, so a single person's experience can't establish or refute a general social claim. If you…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 08:09 AM
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ironic how i actually answered your question thou , but you chose to deflect,
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:29 AM
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thats true , she didnt answer my question
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:14 AM
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oh we dont need women, but thats not the question in context, why is used as an example of things feminist fight for
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:13 AM
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thats not vague, whether its something that is justified is not the question, its whether it exists or not , also no i dont have a specific case because there is always other factors involved , but the idea is that gendered opportunities, regardless of why they exist, exclude the person that isn't part of that gender is a disadvantage to the gender its not helping especially if the opportunity is for something gender neutral,
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:08 AM
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No, the fact that gendered opportunities exist reduces my chances simply due to me not being part of that gender , and is therefore a disadvantage
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 06:58 AM
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I’ll be straightforward: there’s no direct advantage men gain, and it’s not consistent across the board. For example, with shifting gender roles, feminists may advocate for removing certain expectations for women, but that doesn’t mean those same expectations will be removed for men. Abortion doesn’t really change anything for men, and men’s roles haven’t shifted much. Issues like the draft are things they oppose, but their fight against it is conditional, these are some , you want more
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 06:54 AM
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Aside from increased misandry, it reduces my opportunity to get jobs due to quota meaning , i have a reduced chance getting a job, same with schools, i am not afforded as much chance of a getting a scholarships, there are less social workshops for me provided by the governement when i am in trouble because a lot of them are gendered for women, they tend to pathologize men , leading to more misconceptions about men and more mischaractirizations of men
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 06:49 AM
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this isnt caused by feminisms, and feminist dont have to be anti by default, finland proves this
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 06:47 AM
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There are no inherent advantages, though there can be some indirect ones that depend heavily on specific situations and on how the feminist movement chooses to address them, which they often don’t. If we separate men and women, there’s no inherent advantage for men, do you think there is one
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 06:46 AM
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I don't necessarily know about disadvantage aside maybe they have increased the misandry but like I think they significantly overstate the advantages it gives men and they tend to pretend it only comes from them even thou they are just one factor they aren't even the main cause, another issue is their theory over pathologises men and because it is taken as fact by most of their well members, it leads to a lot of misconceptions. There is more but for now that's that I can think off
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 06:36 AM
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These arent things necessarily caused by men, mensuration, pregnancy are things you experience because your body functions like that, some of it need men sure , but they aren't caused simply by men mainly, also, you can choose to get pregnant, there is birth control and depending on where you live abortion, we are also acting like women are going out of their way to have kids , they aren't anymore, why are you still using child birth expectations , when most of you currently are having children …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 06:08 AM
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I don't think it's due to their lack of belief in equality but I do think it is a red flag if a woman is aggressively against 50/50 because well, that just shows , she is a selfish individual who isn't willing to spend on her man
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 06:06 AM
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this isnt objectification, its payment for a service, paying for a service is different a relationship built on mutual trust, the passport bro know what they are signing up for edit 2: the reason men started complaining about women focusing on money was because the idea of love was sold, men knew the contract and they accepted it , its other people pretending that its not a real thing
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:29 PM
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Maybe justification is a bit of a stretch but people claim that as reason for misandry all the time, and when they are called out this is the same. Response so
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 12:38 PM
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No horrible experiences can lead to misogyny, there are guys who have been abuses by their mother's, or experience bullying, even SA, it's not purely rooted in jealous , sometimes it's justified
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 07:40 AM
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I am not pretending, I agree , I am that's the point
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 07:23 AM
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Russia started the war, Ukraine didn’t—they defended themselves. It’s Ukrainians, not Russians, who are seeking asylum. Simply being men is not a significant factor, but it is a lot of weight in your argument . If anything, it makes more sense for men to accept other men seeking asylum. I don’t see how it’s everyone sacrificing if men are still sacrificing either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 10:32 AM
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we are not talking about Ukraine, but about norway and denmark
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 10:27 AM
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the issue is this is based off a feminist state
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 10:11 AM
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how is paper abortion not fair
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 09:59 AM
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Based on what? That’s a subjective interpretation of value. There is a basis to claim that men choosing not to fulfill their duties can have worse negative consequences than the alternative.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 08:55 AM
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You know that they are feminist states, and the draft also requires votes from all parties but Finland proves this is false. in theory they are against, but they dont take actual moves to remove it
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 08:38 AM
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Again, feminists fight for women’s empowerment, not equality. You’re also assuming that removing the patriarchy eliminates gender role for men. Finland, and really any society where women have political or even matrilineal power, proves this is false, men’s roles haven’t changed and I don't think they care to change it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 08:36 AM
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You do know emotional intelligence kind of requires logic right but I get where you coming, the issue it leads to questions like why does manipulation work and it also goes to show that dating is more luck based than effort based
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 08:28 AM
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not as much as women no
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 08:11 AM
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I don’t see how it’s a projection. I have no problem if women don’t want to date men who pay for sex, and if that’s their only issue, I’d be fine with it. I’ve seen them criticize guys who use OnlyFans, watch sexual anime content, follow certain Instagram accounts, or play games with highly sexualized characters. Even the goth girl OnlyFans archetype gets hate, and it’s usually aimed more at men than at the women making the money. While that’s their prerogative, if oversexualization is considere…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:26 AM
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unless there is actually trafficking, as in you are forced , either by black mail or slavery , if you ae doing it to make money thats on you
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:01 AM
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they tend to be spiteful towards the depictions thou, even thou its more about demand than being forced to potray them that way
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 11:58 PM
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I think they’re being hypocritical about it. I don’t agree with the reason you think they are, though. i just believe a lot of women want to have their cake and eat it too, they act like they can devalue what sex means while also emphasising its importance when they deem it so, which I don’t think works in their favor. It’s similar to how they view hookup culture: they hate its existence, blame men for it, and claim it benefits men even thou its something that comes from devaluing the need for a…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 11:15 PM
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if respectful men are still approach, then this isnt a real problem
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:38 PM
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i dont think it has anything to do with morally superior, i just dont think they have to approach women , they are giving reasons why , but they dont need a reason , they can choose not to
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:37 PM
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Psychologist, I don't think it's just for women, I just think, I just think mem aren't usually recommend the right type of therapy
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:33 PM
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That's how it's usually showcased and that's how it described, it's also my experience of it and I had at least 6 sessions
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:27 PM
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Huh I guess it wasn't marketed well to me
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:20 PM
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Most men do not respond positively to talk therapy which is the most recommended form of therapy and the most common and while it can work, it hasn't produced the same result as it has for women
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:10 PM
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actually no they dont, most men dont blame feminism, as for society , they are allowed to do that, do you think women dont blame society for their issues
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:26 PM
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it being individual based doesn't mean it will work for men as group is my point, so claiming it as solution to men's mental help isnt a guarantee, you give it as an individual advice not as a group advice, if a group is having issue, you need ways to address it based on that group not individual advice , how is it infantizing to say you should sevre male patient different because their issue might require a different approach, then its not men thats are misreading, its people misrepresenting th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:25 PM
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suffering in slience doesnt mean you also arent addressing your issues i read your post, i am saying you are contradicting it , its not a real complaint, its also not assigning blame to anyone, its just acknowledge that you are also going through stuff and trying to figure out life as well, thats what suffering in silence means , you misrepresenting how its actually used
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:19 PM
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It does. I think many men just don't know what that looks like. what does that look like That's true of everyone. Doesn't mean doing it alone, but it does mean that no one will do it for them. That's impossible. for men , most of the time it does, it usually does mean doing it alone It isn't ineffective for men. Men do not try. When they do manage to get into an office, they overwhelmingly quit after the introductory session. The top reasons cited? It's uncomfortable, and they didn't get everyth…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:17 PM
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So what's your complaint, if most are doing what you are saying, why are you making the claim that they are aura farming when they suffer in silence Edit: because you do know suffer in silence means addressing your problem without telling people how much the problem actually affects you, it's not a woe is me statement
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:54 PM
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Give me evidence that therapy is actually helpful to most men who seek and that it's just as helpful as it is to women, when men have seeked help from you , did you help , has society done anything to actually help men when they seek help , give me one instance that society went out of it's way to help men when they sought and men rejected the help not because it didn't work but because they wanted to aura farm
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:52 PM
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That's a mental issue not a sign of men don't want their problems solved , again it doesn't seem like you care, because a person who cared would encourage men , not be condescending, women also do this, but we don't go around saying it's because they don't want to solve their problems, the same for addicts , you don't care, you are looking for a reason to shit talk men, you are a troll, if you really want to bring up this debate , you would argue how therapy is beneficial to men
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:49 PM
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Failing at fixing doesnt show a lack of responsibility, it shows you need help, your problem is that you are looking at failure as a lack of effort and not a sign that maybe we as a society should assist men in addressing these issues Also you are the one seeinto it as aura farming, if men were not asked to abandon traditional masculine norm they would not complain, literally they are doing what society is asking them to do now, showing their pain but you are assuming it should be done the way y…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:45 PM
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Most men aren't whining the only reason they bring up their issues now is because society is telling them to, generally they do not , that was part of the problem , OP made a claim that men are suffering in silence because they don't want to seek help and rather they want to aura farm and I am telling you if the help was actually working more, they would seek it, there is no proof that it is somehow making the lives of men who use it better because it individual based it's not shown to be genera…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:42 PM
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Most men aren't bitching about feminists, feminist bitch more about men than men bitch about them Secondly they do, but medication doesn't always solve the issue, and they do go to therapy, therapy isn't actually as helpful, my question to you is this, why isn't the institution trying to tailor in such a way that encourages men to seek it more, rather than men going to seek therapy
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:38 PM
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thats fair but not everything can be taken is the point and sometimes you have to accept that
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:33 PM
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That's not it, you are under the assumption that therapy always work or that it's so easy to access, it's not, I am telling you , they are addressing the issue based on how they know to, you are the only one viewing it as aura farming, the fact that they aren't seeking help from others doesn't somehow show a lack of personal responsibility, if anything they think no one else can help , that's not aura farming
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:32 PM
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Oh that's your perspective, you can only have peace if your desires are met
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:30 PM
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They are caring about their problem but they are solving it individually the issue is that not everyone can solve their problems without help
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:30 PM
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Can't really say, I think there is just more expected of men when it comes to dating socialization than people like to admit
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:29 PM
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You can take your desire seriously but it doesn't work out, you can't keep forcing it, I understand persistence but not at the cost of peace
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:28 PM
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You do know that is part of personal responsibility
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:27 PM
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What do you think is supposed to lead to that change since you know what to do
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:27 PM
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This isn't a dating subreddit, it's a subreddit to argue gender relations, most people want it but I don't think that want should come at the cost of your sanity
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:25 PM
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It's not about what you want but accepting that maybe it won't happen and moving on, it's different from you not putting in effort and it not work, you out effort it didn't work move on, you don't always get what you want
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:24 PM
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It's not about it being cool or masculine , it's that you assume men actually voicing out their concerns means it will lead to solutions or sympathy , in the end people will hold them responsible to solve their problems , even if it is a large problem, even therapy has been shown not to work as much as people believe, but rather than the institution to increase its tools in addressing why therapy isn't as effective for men , they still put it on men to still navigate their issues themselves, men…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:23 PM
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No one thou, are asserting that women do as well
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:19 PM
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Like 4 didn't lead to anything
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:18 PM
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No it's not, especially if that thing isn't necessary to live a happy life
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:16 PM
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I think the advice is to be happy despite being single which I think is good advice
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:14 PM
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Actually the chase is coming down, it's slow but it's happening, I guess women are becoming less magical and less exciting
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:27 AM
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Exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:19 AM
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Fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 08:39 PM
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What I said is easier said than done but that's what I would suggest, not saying I am right, just answering a question
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 07:14 PM
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I think progressives should be discussing male issues beyond just encouraging men to open up. Actively seeking help is a good step, but it’s only one small part of the picture. Organizations addressing these issues need to reach out to men directly, not just wait for them to come forward, and ensure their protocols and solutions actually work or make progress when they do. There should be male-tailored approaches to solving problems like suicide, loneliness, depression, domestic violence, and ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 06:33 PM
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ok
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 06:11 PM
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i dont see how they are being pushed, if they wanted relationships, they could get it easily, i dont think they want it
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 03:06 PM
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I’m not making a claim or assumption; I’m asking for proof that changes in women’s roles benefit men. Saying marriage is beneficial doesn’t disprove my point, since most marriages remain traditional, with men as breadwinners more often than the reverse, even in dual income household the mans income is seen as duty based, even in progressive spaces. The idea that men feel emasculated by earning less than women does happen, it’s neither the majority nor as common as some think. Just because you an…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 02:45 PM
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I agree, dont think this is a bad thing thou, if fewer relationships happen less relationships happen, and honestly , i think both sides will be okay , if there will be relationships, there will be relationships, if there arent, there arent, but i think both men and women would be fine
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 12:04 PM
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i dont think anyone is blaming anyone here
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 12:02 PM
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he is not wrong , less people are entering relationships, getting married, if anything, the trend is increasing , dont think its a bad thing, i think women are becoming less interested in dating and more power to them
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 12:00 PM
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how are they blaming women, and why do you think they haven't tried the old fashion way
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 11:58 AM
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i have , the problem is not everyone has these role models one, and two people are looking for the best and most optimal way to success and how those pathways lead, unfortunately , while the manosphere doesnt have the answers, the people countering it also dont, or else they would have more of an influence on men, especially young men than the manosphere, young men might be impressionable but why are they more impressionable to the manosphere compared to your alternatives
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 11:49 AM
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so why bring it as a point
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 08:10 AM
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I am not looking for an excuse to be regressive, I am saying both sides are still regressive only one side is honest about it, the others claims to not be but their actions don't show it Both parties are trying to force it one is claiming to be better about, the other one is more descriptive about the current situation Women are very much more socially ( By social support , i mean they are afforded more social safety nets ) supported than men so while they are held accountable based on competenc…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 07:59 AM
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Abortion doesn’t inherently benefit men directly or indirectly, as their roles in abortion haven’t changed; it’s still the woman’s choice. Whether abortion is legal or illegal, it doesn’t affect men as individuals; it doesn't change the gender role of men. If she does not have an abortion despite my wishes, I can’t do anything; if she chooses to have one despite my wishes, I also can’t do anything. From a gender equality perspective, abortion changes nothing for men specifically, only indirectly…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:26 AM
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I’m not against scrutiny; I’m against bad faith scrutiny, which made up most of it when it came to men’s issues. the incel school shooter idea is one the biggest example, people made it seem like there were legions of men killing people because they couldnt get laid and its not even up to 20 in the last 15 years, if you want strong and sensible voices but even they will acknowledge that the manosphere isnt all bad, Dr,k Claimed this Aba and preach claimed this, that there are truths to it and yo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/26 01:16 AM
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A bit is not enough, and it’s not all due to feminism. There’s also the fact that the impact on women hasn’t really changed the expectations for men much. Women earning money doesn’t mean they don’t still expect men to earn as well, they expect both. Many still hold strong traditional expectations for men, including feminists. While sharing childcare responsibilities more is a positive change, men are still more likely to be the breadwinners and have increased the time they spend in their childr…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:12 AM
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the left panders by supporting policies, attitude changes and social norm changes that support women specifically , they are usually comprised of feminist, LGBTQ e.t.c , and they discuss issues and align with issues within that voter based, they are pro progressive in nature, thats how they pander to women, they align with the feminist movement or are supported by it , i dont know how feminity is enforced on women and thats not the conversation, i do however know that expectations on being a man…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 12:53 AM
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they didnt take the term, red pill means opening your eyes to the truth, its similar to being woke, they just use it in terms of dating and masculinity , whether they are right or wrong is dependent on the situation
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/26 12:19 AM
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I don’t, but even when there were less controversial figures with less controversial messages, they gave the same criticism and didn’t offer an alternative message that aligned with their views. Jordan Peterson is a good example, he used to one of the biggest names in men’s issues, even indirectly, alongside Joe Rogan, long before the red pill crowd. They’re not perfect, but they’re not as toxic as red pilers either, yet they still faced heavy criticism, even when their takes on men were constru…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/26 12:17 AM
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i didnt say that they are advocating for matriachy, i said even in a matriachy a true one , there is a high chance mens role will not change even if they arent the ones in charge, the idea that feminism can solve everyones problems including men isnt even something, feminists universally agree is possible because even they like to acknowledge that men should solve their issues themselves, they have not demonstrated their competence when it comes to changing the roles of men or even addressing ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 09:59 PM
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i dont think the Manosphere is thriving but I don't think the left would ever capture men unless they show they actually value men as men . the reason the right will more likely capture men is because the rights view of masculinity is more consistent with how its actually enforced and observed by both genders and both political parties, whether they meet those expectations is a different story but they are right on how its enforced so they provide a more consistent worldview with what they preac…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 09:55 PM
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it is not , it can occur in any form of society even matriachy, you assumption is that men would not be subjected to this expectation outside of patriachy , the problem is in almost every society even matrilenail society where women held inheritance rights and other forms of power, this expectation was still put on men, you are under the assumption that if patriachy is dismantled, men would be valued simply for being human, we dont know this to be true, gender expectation will always exist wheth…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 09:39 PM
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none of these things are unique to patriachy and there is no proof that removing means men would still be valued
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 09:32 PM
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the problem is toxic masculinity is not unqiue to patriachy , 2nd you assume removing the patriachy means that those expectations would be removes or that things would objectively be better for men, we dont know this
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 09:29 PM
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what is the alternative
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 09:28 PM
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not really they didnt call themselves that , people just lump anyone who talks about men issues as manosphere and then label them as toxic, are there toxic people there yes, are they all toxic no, Dr k is labeled as a manosphere and he isnt roxic , hell he discusses women issues sometimes
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/06/26 09:22 PM
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You do know they aren't out right forcing men to listen to them, they are just validating their experience and offering advice, they might be taken advantage of it but like it just goes to show that maybe they are better at reaching out to men than other groups that claim they are toxic, it's not hard to pull men out of the manosphere no one cares enough to do it
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/06/26 07:46 PM
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I didn't say feminist women believe that i said even in places with feminist values and women's health taken the most seriously and significantly less safety concerns like Finland or Sweden or other Scandinavian countries, they are having less or even no children, the 4B movement using it to bargain is not a realisitic deal even if their demands were met, there is no proof they would start having kids more , or hell that they would increase interactions with men ,have sex or get married more, in…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 05:45 PM
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Yes they do
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 02:23 PM
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it's not about being financially secure its about going on multiple failed dates and spending 75 dollars every time that's a waste of money that could be spent on other venture that would absolutely succeed. also even if it's small doesn't make it worth it and complaining doesn't make me not financial secure even for small expenses I can want to reduce them and complain when the value recieved is less than what I am spending
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 02:00 PM
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Because they are the ones losing money and not getting much from it , if they weren't losing money they wouldn't complain
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 01:36 PM
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Fair enough but again you are utilising a straw man but for the sake of the argument they don't need to be the ones raising the children , other people or even men can do that and yes while working As for 4B not giving birth is not unique to 4B , birth rates is reducing even in countries where demands are met and violence against women is the lowest, hell feminist values are championes the idea that women are choosing not to give birth because men are harming them isn't consistent with research …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 01:35 PM
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Well for you sure but like men who are easily agreeable aren't always seen as the most attractive, not saying it can't be attractive but if being agreeable led to success same with paying for dates more men would pay for dates
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 01:33 PM
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Ok not paying for dates doesn't indicate lack of interest it might indicate low agreeableness but that's a neutral quality not necessarily a bad one, how it translate to selfishness also doesn't track because I can pay for dates doesn't mean I am less selfish in other areas
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 01:25 PM
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Good for you, why make this post
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 01:22 PM
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I don't know about lack of interest but low agreeableness is necessarily a good trait or even an unattractive trait so I don't really see the con Paying for a date also doesnt show this because, the motive actually shown , a man doing this doesn't translate to actually less selfish and less self sacrificing qualities
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 01:21 PM
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Then go date them
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 01:19 PM
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Your are arguing with a straw man point and taking it deeper than it should , lesbians having higher dv doesn't make women the problem by default because lesbain relationship are a different dynamic. Relationship issue are fundamentally different from being a bad parent, you can be a shitty partner and a excellent parent they aren't always mutually exclusive The 4B movement doesn't want to end the cycle, they are choosing not to engage to bargain not because they actually don't want to be with m…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 01:18 PM
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They are already splitting the bill more or well going on less dates , the reason why it was complained about was because it wad a societal norm that was once enforced, it's not anymore, the reason it was big deal was because it was backed up by a reason, that reason doesn't exist anymore but a lot of women I would argue most women still prefer that norm, some even complain when men want to slipt the bill ,tthe complaint makes sense now because the conversion of dates to relationship is now lowe…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 11:13 AM
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You do know that's not how it works right
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 05:33 AM
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Define mediocre in this regard
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 05:32 AM
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It's not about feeling better I am saying game iisnt about having these traits
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 05:31 AM
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You know what fair correct
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 10:30 PM
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not to my argument, no, it wasn't implied whether she knew or not, the point is that, if she was diagonsed she had to have caught it before finally dating and marrying Forrest
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 10:18 PM
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i disagree with your argument on why, its not so much that these women are being picked but more so that they are trying to attract any woman, they are seeing any woman as success because they generally don't get women in abundance like at all, that's why the argument is bad, its not that they don't want to pick someone else, its that woman in question is their option, the better advice is to say they should prefer being single because that's an objectively bad partner
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 09:40 PM
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honestly cant say
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 09:25 PM
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yeah , i think morally judging someone for not getting dates is wrong ,unless the person is openly antagonistic in general, I don't buy that its due to thier morals or emotional state
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 09:24 PM
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Having those traits doesnt make them inherently displayable
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 09:03 PM
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Communicating fr this kind of aspect is like putting on a performance, where you display traits that are appealing. However, attractive characteristics are neutral and not necessarily good qualities or triats.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 08:57 PM
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The problem is that this is more of a performance than actually having those traits
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 08:55 PM
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I’m not blue-pilled, but even when women can’t find a partner, I don’t think there’s some deep underlying reason. Maybe they just don’t put themselves out there, but I don’t believe it’s due to emotional instability or an ideological issue. For some, it might come down to looks , , but I don’t really buy that either, since men have a wide range of preferences when it comes to who they date or sleep with. I feel the same way about men who struggle to find a partner , sometimes things just don’t w…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 08:53 PM
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that too
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 08:45 PM
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Whether it's their child is irrelevant, she can only get HIV before being with Forrest, not after
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 08:44 PM
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i am not speaking on trauma, i am saying trauma is different from mental impairment because its manifestation is dependent on the individual. Mental impairment is more consistent on a broad level
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 08:43 PM
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the only thing that makes men specifically unique is reproduction just like women, nothing else, but in terms of benefit to society, simple, they contribute to the functioning of society just like women, they also work, they also pay tax, they also come up with ideas that better society, they also are willing to do dirty work, the idea that women provide a unique outside of reproduction isnt true this also applies to men
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 03:51 PM
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You are just giving reason why you don't think they should do this, a lot of women do this
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:58 PM
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Really provide examples
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:53 PM
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No I don't think they get that far regardless, a lot of guys don't bring up sex but it doesn't lead to anywhere they get ghosted, they don't get responsed, it's not because they bring up sex, some even get fake numbers e.t.c
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:51 PM
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Fair enough but I don't think. Most men get that far to make this generalisation
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:47 PM
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i disagree, most dude dont get that far
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:26 PM
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Usually, it doesn’t work out like that, so they settle for sex. If men could form the connection first, they would.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 01:27 PM
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ok
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 01:21 PM
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Trauma does not inherently impair one's ability to understand or make decisions; rather, mental impairment affects these cognitive functions. While experience, including trauma, can influence behavior, it is different from mental impairment, which poses a greater challenge to decision-making capacity from birth, unlike trauma which is a result of experience. i dont have to accept how she is portrayed, but like even i were to accept it , it doesn't mean she is supposed to be viewed in a positive …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 01:20 PM
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what she should have done is not my concern, i am saying that her behaviour in general isnt likeable. That's why she is unlikeable, and whether Forrest should be seen as competent isn't the point of my comment, my comment is mainly that, if jenny was a dude and Forrest was a woman, there would be very little charity given to Jenny
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 01:03 PM
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you can still be mentally impaired regardless of IQ , the point is that he had a mental disability; he was mentally impaired
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 12:13 PM
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My argument is simple: the reason people, especially men, dislike Jenny isn’t just because she makes bad decisions but because Forrest is mentally impaired. Regardless of genre, the movie portrays her dying of HIV and Forrest raising their son as an emotionally satisfying or even positive ending for Forrest. If Jenny were a man and Forrest a woman, he would face far more scrutiny and receive less sympathy from fans. In that case, people would recognize the power imbalance, and some might even se…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 12:06 PM
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How I know you are being dishonest or disingenuous is that biographical drama implies it is highlighting the life of a real person, forest gump is a fictional character, this isn't a biographical drama, and several other sites or well i would say source claim it is a romantic story as well, coming of age can be part of it, but it doesnt disprove my main point , you also aren't actually countering my points on the main relationship EDIT: if you dont think she is morally justified , what are we di…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 11:54 AM
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thats kind of the point, reverse the roles and keep the same plot and premise, he would be seen as morally reprehensible
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 11:38 AM
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No, it’s a romance, that’s the genre of the movie. I’m not saying she has a motive, but her actions aren’t always kind to Forrest, and a fully grown, mentally capable man would notice the red flags. She’s lucky it’s Forrest, and she’s given way too much leeway for her bad decisions. Whether she was nice to him as a kid isn’t the point , the point is that she increasingly makes choices that should hurt Forrest, yet he sticks by her not because she deserves it, even though that’s how the movie fra…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 11:26 AM
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there is such a thing as kindness with motive, the 2nd issue is that the movie is potrayed as romance edit: i made the kind with motive reply because you are her giving too much benefit of the doubt simply because she was kind to a disabled person, thats not basis for why her future bad decisions should be tolerated
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 11:17 AM
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Aside from the fact that he is portrayed as mentally disabled , i read it online that the character was supposed to be portrayed as such, doesn't change my point thou
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 11:15 AM
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Exactly, she actually doesnt get enough hate, in fact, she gets more sympathy than Forrest
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 11:13 AM
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I call BS, there are lots of women who have no issues going on a date with someone they would never actually date but because he asked her out, women can take advantage of situations too
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 09:11 AM
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You are correct, I am saying the dating context isn't required for sex, the dating context is required for a date, if she is sleeping with a man she would date, she isn't being used, she is sleeping with him thinking that sex should establish a relationship or a relationship is already established. I am saying she isn't being used, men are being used for money because the man is the only one losing money, sex requires both parties to consent meaning she wants the sex as well and she is getting s…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 07:55 AM
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Not really forest had a mental disability, Jenny doesn't, she might have a mental disorder due to trauma but that can be worked on with therapy, Forrest is authisic and has an IQ of 75 , the power imbalance is in her favour edit: they arent even holding her as accountable, she gets way more sympathy than forrest would get if it was the other way around
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 07:00 AM
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The irony is that , it's an accurate summary of the movie
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 06:25 AM
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It's not about impossible, it's that it's harder to establish interest just like that , something not being impossible doesn't mean the alternative isn't better or easier and in this case quick and straightforward seems to be
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 06:15 AM
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Another issuse is that the movie frames her as a woman who has just been dealt a bad hand and Forrest is trying to save, the problem is out side the framing every thing she did was her choice and then she choose to come back to Forrest when she got HIV that's BS, they also frame it as a love story, if being friend zone was the only issue then like okay, it's just a bad situation for both parties, the movies frames it as just a bad situation for Jenny and then she only comes back because she has …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 06:13 AM
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You go on the date knowing you aren't interested in the guy, that's shitty, having sex with someone ,you wouldn't date isn't
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 06:08 AM
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The issue isn't just Jenny, Forrest Gump is mentally impaired that's why she gets a lot of hate, if Jenny was a man he would probably get more hate now because it would be seen as predatory
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 06:02 AM
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It's not taboo, they rarely get the chance to form the emotional connection first, if forming the emotional connection was easy they would do that first
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 06:00 AM
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How do you use someone for sex
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 05:33 AM
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You know what you are right, my problem is that when men don't ask women out, women claim that the guy doesn't like them enough even thou it's the same logic they aren't taking the initiative they believe men should take
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 05:32 AM
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You are right this is why dudes are dating less
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 05:30 AM
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I don't understand
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 05:26 AM
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That's not wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 07:31 PM
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The reason I don’t place much blame on men for hookup culture is simple: most men aren’t engaging in it. The women who are involved aren’t getting hurt because the men did something wrong; they are getting hurt because they expect emotional intimacy when the agreement is purely physical. If they were being forced, that’s wrong, and the responsibility falls on men. But if you’re not forced and still not getting what you want from hookups, the issue lies with you, not culture. Men wanting to take …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 05:57 PM
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It need both parties to participate
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 05:36 PM
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That doesn't mean they are the ones pushing it down their throats
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 10:14 AM
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It doesn't mean their judgment is because I all fairness they always have the same conclusion
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 12:35 AM
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Wait based on what factor
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 12:34 AM
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Currently It's not men shoving it down their throats
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 12:33 AM
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What is this about, there doesn't seem to be a clear point
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 12:08 AM
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Exactly it's a seperate things so why is that part of the discussion
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 03:23 PM
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The option to be single is not a dating option
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 03:11 PM
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More options in dating not more options In life you can pick either dating or being single not dating someone and dating another person
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 02:24 PM
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That creates more option, thats not dating better
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 07:20 AM
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I saying it's projection Edit : another thing is people don't like their vices used for money
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 12:08 AM
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Because they are not just selling porn but also intimacy, it's not about immorality but more so about selling intimacy
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 11:52 PM
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being anti porn is more anti sex but the way they go about it is more anti men, in cases where crime is commited i get that, but they are against male centered porn in general for no real moral reason
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:55 PM
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i can understand if there was actual harm, but they also hate in only fans and animated fiction, oversaturation is not a moral failing
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:53 PM
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That's not dating being better; that's just being comfortable with being single. Dating being better means you are getting into relationships easier, and you are enjoying it , it also means you are enjoying the act of dating. Most of these people don't like dating due to issue, they are single not because they like it , they just prefer it to the alternative, they arent getting it all, they are settling
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:52 PM
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How is dating better for women, there are getting more single, entering less relationship, if dating was better , they would getting into more relationships and having more fun dating, they arent
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:49 PM
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ok but how does this translate to dating being better
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:48 PM
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Its only a contradiction if watching or in fact , outright seeking alternative sexual gratification wasnt something men were openly mocked for by both men and women, hell most women wouldn't want to date or even respect a guy who subs to only fans much less watch porn, they even have issue with someone following Instagram models , its not a contradiction because these people dont assume they are better, they dont like that they watch porn, its literally called a vice for a reason, thats why its …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:06 AM
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I don't think watching g porn makes you indecent being indecent is what makes you indecent
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 12:26 PM
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In us sure but in most places no and even then, most pregnant women aren't murdered
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 12:24 PM
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No just observation is better than what the person actually says
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 07:52 PM
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They do , I am saying women aren't reliable narrators when it comes to how they behave towards men
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 06:56 PM
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I personally don't care
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 06:54 PM
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You don't have to cut them from your life but romantic interaction with them isnr complusory anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 06:51 PM
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Men do not have to approach because romance isn't a complusory for living life any more, if you like someone approach if someone likes you, they should approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 06:50 PM
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No they gauge it based on the results of other men, knowing how women make decisions doesn't necessarily mean that information has to come from women, it comes from observation of women, someone saying something doesn't mean that's what they will do
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 06:48 PM
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No but like why would it consider women's experiences it's not about women
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 06:45 PM
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Why would it center women's experiences it's not about women , it's about how men experience women, it's about helping men
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 06:42 PM
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How is that confirmation of patriarchy if it applies to every society across the board, from patriarchal to equal, and even to societies where men don’t hold the majority of political power or lineage? That feels like a lazy argument , “it’s just patriarchy” is doing a lot of heavy lifting.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 10:51 PM
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i think it's a poor explanation to remove criticism from society, because it doesn't explain why it exists in other societies even feminist societies, and I don't think it is a fair explanation anymore, because it's becoming less ingrained for others, but this expectation exists regardless and its applied by everyone, even people not following gender norms and I haven't seen that decreasing
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 10:49 PM
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It’s not that it isn’t a norm, but the norm isn’t unique to patriarchy; it’s a general societal norm that can exist in any society. You’re claiming it exists uniquely in patriarchy, but it doesn’t. Captains don’t just exist in sports, and that doesn’t make it a sports-specific norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 10:32 PM
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A matriarchy is a system where women hold primary power over men, but historically, this hasn’t happened largely due to biological and social factors. Women faced challenges like menstrual pain, lack of birth control, high infant mortality rates, and high pregnancy-related deaths until modern medicine changed that and In the past, much work was physically demanding, unlike today’s office-based jobs, it wss more manual labor which was better suited to men, generally due to their greater physical …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 10:30 PM
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for you to claim its a ptriachal norm, it has to be unique to patriachy, it is not
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 10:20 PM
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No true matriachy exists because for that to occur women have to be physically able to dominate men, but matrilineal societies and even feminist societies like finland exists and men still overpresent in high risk jobs, security and military 1) Minangkabau society Largest matrilineal society in the world. Property and lineage pass through women. Women typically control rice fields and family houses. Men still dominate high-risk work, especially: Long-distance migration (“merantau”) for work Cons…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 10:11 PM
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I’m not saying it can’t be part of patriarchy; I’m saying there’s no kind of society, even one where women hold more authoritative power than men, where men aren’t still the majority in high-risk, high-security, and resource-gathering roles. Patriarchy can adopt this idea, but it didn’t originate there, and they’re not the only ones who have done it or could amplify it. If anything, it makes more sense for it to cause patriarchy rather than patriarchy causing male disposability.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 10:06 PM
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No, it’s not. In every society, even in matriarchal ones, men have been overrepresented in high-security and high-risk jobs, and they’ve often been judged more on their usefulness than their inherent humanity. That’s what leads to this mentality; it’s not unique to patriarchy. The only reason you might think so is that you believe gender roles are exclusive to patriarchy, but they’re not.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 09:51 PM
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i think you are right, but not because i think the patriarchy doesn't teach these things, but this behaviour isn't unique to patriarchy, in general, almost every form of society not just patriarchal, men have always been considered the more disposable sex. for you to feel like you can be emotionally vulnerable, your emotions have to kind of be valued or taken seriously by society regardless. and honestly i have yet to see a society that actually values men as a group beyond their usefulness to t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 09:40 PM
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this isnt a patriachal school of life, its not unique to patriachal
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 09:30 PM
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cant really call it patriachal norm , this can happen in any society, the idea that the society has to allow men dominate for it to disregard their feelings is an assumption, there is proof that this same dispoable expectation existed in non patriachal societies
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 09:29 PM
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If listening to women worked as well as you claim, redpillers wouldn’t exist. The issue is that you want someone who makes you feel safe and heard, but that’s all based on perception, not on what the guy is actually doing. A guy can do all the wrong things in terms of actions, but if you perceive those actions as good, you’ll still feel that way about him. Red pill focuses on what they see as observable; they might overgeneralize or have a limited scope, but their observations aren’t usually wro…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 06:54 PM
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i read the article , just didnt like the title, everyone is struggling to adapt, as for the things you mention it doesn't really disprove my point , the idea is that men are still need, child support is one of it , even the draft , men arent the only ones voting for it , in most countries that have it , it is voted for by the people and women also vote for it
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/26 06:40 PM
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This sub isn't most people or even most men
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:19 PM
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Individually no they dont
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:16 PM
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Very very few men blame the male loneliness epidemic on women
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:15 PM
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Aiding a group when they are struggling is not a benefit unique to men; we do this for every other group , yes even when it comes relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:26 PM
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i dont think men should get special treatment, you are the one claiming men benefit from society like its something inherent to men , its not, when a group struggle we are usually concerned, regardless of struggle that is my point, this is applys to all from disabled people, to trans people, to men and to women, because they are a part of that society.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:12 PM
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yeah but this isnt unique to men, women are entitled to all of this as well, when you say benefit, and they get it by doing something, working, paying tax or even paying bills, this isnt free, tell me something society gives to men just for being men for free
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:02 PM
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how does the society benefit them specifically, give me the benefits that men get specifically from society
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:56 PM
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individually no , societally yes, you dont have to be part of the solution , but you should absolutely care that this is an issue because men are part of the community or the society , if they made no contributions to society then you wouldnt need to care
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:01 PM
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i am fine with that, thats not the title of the article, and even what is read feels off , men dont need women either , no one is required to go into relationships
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/06/26 03:21 PM
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This is false; it’s because women often have different standards for chores. A guy can spend five cleaning and feel fine about the state of the house. It doesn’t necessarily mean he’s dirty, but he may put less effort into cleaning than women do. That’s why single dads talk about how easy it is to keep things clean not because it’s actually easier, but they have a different standard. I’m not sure if it’s more efficient or just less thorough, but evidence shows men today do more domestic duties t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 03:13 PM
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I’m nice on dates because I genuinely like the person, but I also feel that if you have to convince someone you’re worth it, they don’t truly desire. You can create attraction, sure, but I get what you mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 03:08 PM
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Lol if men arent needed, why ask them to still pay tax and why do you lose your shit when they reduce work or well not work at all, and other things, dont conscript them, they dont need to to vote the politicians you want , since you can outvote them apparently because they arent needed right , they dont need to stand up for your right since well they arent needed, if we are talking about just relationship like okay, women arent needed either, no one has to enter a relationship to be fulfilled, …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/06/26 07:37 AM
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inherently no, they didnt come from the redpill, these were things people were already doing
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 03:11 PM
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These aren't really redpill tactics, everything you mentioned are things women also do
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 02:25 PM
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i am not saying give up, but that alternative is bad only from one perspective
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 08:44 PM
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ladies of the night are not only illegal in most places, its socially unacceptable for you to want them, so the con of getting them out weigh the pro , they also are very promiscious meaning prob STDs and a lot of them who do them arent neccessarily trust worthy so
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 07:05 PM
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because most guys are decent, being decent isnt what makes you attractive, its just you can be decent and attractive, the problem is that it assumes most men generally arent decent thats not true
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 01:54 PM
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Those are different; they’re physical traits. Misogyny isn’t always visible because it’s not a personality trait; it’s an idea of how you see women, and it’s not always clear-cut. You can believe in abortion but still think a woman should cook and clean, and it doesn’t always diminish charisma if you hide it. Sometimes you don’t even need to hide it, as your other traits can outshine it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 01:35 PM
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No, not really. There are a lot of misogynistic people who achieve success. Can it a drawback? Yes. Is it always? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 01:26 PM
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Yeah, there are blue pillers in this sub too, and there’s no real way to measure if red pillers actually find success or failure in dating. They might be misogynistic, but misogyny isn’t a major roadblock to dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 01:18 PM
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not a red Piller, but we dont know this to be true
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 06:14 AM
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Being hot or rich, hell even watching porn doesn’t mean lacking morals, beliefs, ethics, or character. It’s not that men don’t think women value those traits, but those qualities don’t necessarily create attraction. They become important once you actually and are interested in the person; you don’t know them before you’re attracted, you learn about them after.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 06:06 AM
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Yes, you are picking and choosing in this argument. Morally good, good quality, and good actions aren’t mutually exclusive, but they are also separate. You can be a serial killer and still be a good father, BTK is an example; he killed people, but he was not a terrible father to his daughter. Even in qualities mentioned in this argument , you pick and choose, someone can be generous yet still rude to others. And even then, it’s can be perception based , it’s because you experience it, not becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 05:47 AM
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not really the point thou, i am just saying powerful is morally neutral , you can like someone who is powerful, doesnt make them a good person edit: doesn't make them a good person automatically
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 05:30 AM
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Men who take risks are adventurous and gutsy, but they can also be the same people who beat someone up or verbally and physically abuse women. Saying nobody wants to like these people is a better statement, though it doesn’t they can’t be liked. edit: what i am saying it risks taking, adventurous and gusty are morally neutral qualities
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 04:41 AM
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Powerful is morally neutral, though; it doesn't make them morally good either
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 04:38 AM
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The body itself makes that argument On top of that, those men are never judged by their good qualities. They’re only held to their presumed bad qualities. So it becomes “he’s an asshole but he’s an active father, doesn’t get angry with her, and helps feed the hungry.” I’m being a bit facetious for the sake of the example but you get the point. these are perception based, you can only know this based on actions and outcomes not morally, having good qualities doesn't make you good, its a collectio…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 04:22 AM
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The problem is that your title suggests you can be sexually attractive because you’re good, but from what you’ve written in this reply, it leans toward the idea that you can be a good person and also be sexually attractive. They’re not mutually exclusive, they are separate factors that can exist together and also exist separately from each other on its own . edit: Actually, you agree with me more than you think. It’s all about perception—what you consider good may be different My question is, wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 03:54 AM
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This argument relies on a false premise that being good or bad is what makes you sexually attractive, that's not true, competence and perception is what makes you sexually attractive, good or bad is determined by how your actions affect others not by how people view you, meaning that the actions taken regardless of intent affects people positively is what should make you good perception however is different . you can be horrible to everyone in your path but because you are successful that can wr…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 03:28 AM
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It can be, the nice, respected and caring is something that gets shown when they know, in retrospect , people like pretending they don't associate thay with appearance, you can't really always tell these traits from one meeting and the irony is that even in situation where the person is these things and does nothing wrong in the end it's based on the perception of who is being approached not who is approaching
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 02:15 AM
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That's because they are told to take the chance regardless, less men are doing it now so good
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 02:12 AM
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Ok
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 04:31 PM
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Is that the point I thought the point was range of who to pursue
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 03:32 PM
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Everyone has this but in your case this only matters when it someone you already love, men are more willing to settle, women arent but they also don't get that if you like someone, they are the ones to dictates the terms not you, you are already chosen you just want to be chosen by a specific man and you forget that it's up to you to meet his standard not the other way around, he already meets yours,
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 06:03 AM
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Apologies when I say mind I meant most women women don't care to be approached, some might be open to it but they aren't seeking being approached , meaning if you don't like it or even want it, its makes no sense to complain that it doesn't happen to you unless you put in effort or that men are picky, they aren't, you just aren't approachable because you don't want to be and yes even for relationships, whyarey women complaining about men being picky when it's more so that they don't want men to …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 05:47 AM
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Yeah but like it's not as if most women like the attention
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 05:36 AM
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both
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 10:18 PM
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This doesn’t really align with the data, and considering that most women don’t mind being approached, even by average men tend to date poor women more often than women date poor men. They also date women who aren’t conventionally attractive with fewer caveats. People generally date their age range. As for men who avoid dating women with kids, it’s more complicated since there’s a third party involved who often more lasting presence than the man, and the cost of a failed relationship involving ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 10:04 PM
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yeah but this has nothing to do with men pursuing only the top level women thou
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:57 PM
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that means you can get attention from men , you dont want to get approached
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:52 PM
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Yeah but they are usually passive in the initiative, they aren't trying to get attention, if put in effort, they would get approached
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 08:42 PM
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I don't know about modern feminism but I would misandry is playing a huge part in it
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 08:29 PM
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Addressing them doesn't remove the truama, and prevention isn't always perfect
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 08:27 PM
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aside from money
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 02:07 PM
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If you’re meeting someone for the first time, unless you already know them well and have communicated with them for a considerable of time, you really can’t tell much. A date is one of the best ways to get a sense of someone’s character; even through their texts, it's not always shown. Plus, it’s not like women share their dating history right away; people tend to curate how they present themselves until they feel comfortable.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 02:04 PM
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Okay, I’ll answer your question. Everyone is different, and it’s not the situation that is supposed to be unique, its my response to it that is unqiue. I’m not imagining a different scenario; I’m more focused on picturing my own reaction to the same one and you cant really know how you would react unless you are in it , or about to be in the situation. I wouldn't know they were insufferable unless i went on the date, thats the point , no one knows why they are attractive, you are the one assumin…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:57 PM
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I can understand that someone might be in an abusive relationship and I can recognize examples, but until I experience it myself, I can’t know how bad it would be for me, everyone’s threshold is different. This applies not just to abusive relationships, but to relationships in general. If I haven’t hooked up,i can’t determine if hooking up is bad for me or not. The same goes for friends with benefits, situationships, and relationships overall,if I haven’t been in one or multiple , I have no pers…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:49 PM
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has she now , wow
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:36 PM
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i cant answer that for dating because there is no reference point , i have to first experience a bad partner to decide if thats what i would prefer you are right and they did, thats why they don't agree that being kind is good dating advice, because it has nothing to do with dating
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:32 PM
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Some women claim that being a good person leads to positive dating outcomes, but’s not always that simple or accurate. The reality is more complex, and many men have noticed this. Even misogyny doesn’t entirely some men from finding dating success.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:28 PM
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They can be shallow, they can be stupid, and they can have untreated trauma. If those are the types of women you guys want, just be honest the men wouldnt know that , they arent getting attention from any woman to determine who is who There it is. That demand for a reward for basic decency. Reward is different from result, reward is good outcome. There aren't receiving any outcome whether good or bad, their dating hasnt improved or gotten worse, its the same , nothing is happening from them bein…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:25 PM
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not the point, firstly you assume they have to selfish to be attracted to bad men Secondly, the main idea is simple: women aren’t always attracted just because a man is good to them. If the advice to men is that treating a woman right will make her like them, it should lead to results. If doesn’t, then why is that the advice? Whether the woman is a good partner isn’t the point; the focus is on getting any woman to show attraction, not a specific one. Many men struggle to get any female attention…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:14 PM
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you are missing the point, the issue isn’t whether women are okay with jerks, but that you’re generalizing the idea that being a good person is attractive to women overall . If that were true, no bad person would ever receive any kind of attention or success with women, someone who’s misogynistic. We know that’s not the case. The real question is whether being sought after by women makes someone a good person. It doesn’t. Women can be drawn to terrible individuals too, so the idea that being a g…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:06 PM
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I don’t care whether women are okay with jerks; I’m saying that a video of a guy on a dating show isn’t proof that, in real life, women don’t find him attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:59 PM
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i would like to hear this
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:56 PM
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Even if you’re genuinely nice, it doesn’t always lead to good relationships. A lot of women are genuinely kind; some men still won’t commit to them AND Outright say it .
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:52 PM
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doesnt mean he doesnt get women outside the dating show, there are several women who are transphobic
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:43 PM
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i expect society in general to deal with the mess
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 02:15 AM
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Aren't you guys against those communities?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 02:13 AM
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i dont know about protection but guidance, they should still be held accountable but their problems should still be addressed with empathy when brought up, even if toxic , look for ways to address it and guide them to a better part, , i can't say they are discriminated against but like they should receive help, this isn't even about pity, but more so based on how progressives want to reframe masculinity and reject gender norms, especially things like toxic masculinity, this is in line with that …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 02:13 AM
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even if it doesn't, it's okay. Find other ways to be fulfilled in this case, i am talking to men, persistence isn't always worth the result
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:31 AM
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I was never for the idea of men not approaching women in general; what I was against was the idea that women in general want men to approach them. There is little to no evidence to support this. If men stopped approaching women today, it wouldn't matter to women; that's my argument, OP is claiming that women want men to approach them, we don't know if that's true, evidence points to the opposite It has to do with fact that men and women wants relationship mostly on the same level. That's what i …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 11:56 PM
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Women less on dating apps because: a) They don't need it, they are approached in real life b) Don't want to make even first step in initiation c) Tired of dickpicks roulette. e) Don't want to have casual sex if they get approached real life then this isnt a real problem then You can speak with women in real life: it's easy to get laid but hard to get any good relationship. The women that speaks in media about how men a bad - are permanently single toxic people that even won't get laid. What does…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 11:37 PM
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There is nothing in this world is guaranteed - economy can collapse, you boss can end up in jail and you will be blacklisted for fraud or person can just fall ill. no if you exercise well , you will get fit , that's a very high probability even if you want to say its not guaranteed , its a very high outcome While relationship has a lot to do with luck - obtaining it or maintaining a good one, it still demands effort to even have a chance. yes and if they dont see the results, its fine for them t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 10:47 PM
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The problem is, aside from the good salary, because that's not easy to get, those things are guaranteed with effort , and they are a sure deal. There is 100% guarantee that it will objectively improve your life, pay off, and be a success Putting effort into getting a relationship doesn't guarantee a positive result; it increases the probability of getting an opportunity, and even that isn't high, not by a long shot, and even then it doesn't guarantee a good relationship; it can have very good pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 10:11 PM
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Based on my observation of current dating norms, there are very few women complaining about men not approaching them , thats why i dont think its an issue. In fact, there are significantly more complaints about men approaching too much than not approaching at all, in general, Having a preference for men approaching isn't the same as encouraging them to approach; they are just open to it happening, not encouraging it. As for feedback, the feedback agrees with me, and the rejection rate agrees wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:09 PM
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You’re misunderstanding something, it’s not women who expect men to approach them, but men pushing the idea, its also men pushing the idea that men should strive to be in relationships, even thou relationships are now optional , and its makes sense to deprioritize them as men. I’ve come to realize that men not approaching women isn’t really a problem for women overall. Most women don’t care if men don't approach them, and many aren’t actively doing anything to be approached. The same goes for re…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 08:50 PM
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You aren't getting sex is important is important to marriage that isn't important, if you don't want sexually satisfy your partner don't get married
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 05:01 PM
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and you dont need marriage or even a relationship its just more structure, you dont need to get married to have kids
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:54 PM
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I agree, I’m saying the moral judgment of that action doesn’t carry weight in this context. You can make it, but the idea that it’s justified to judge men who leave marriages for sex doesn’t hold any weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:52 PM
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Sex isn’t a necessity in general, but it is a need in marriage. Marriage itself isn’t compulsory, so if you don’t want to sexually satisfy your partner, it’s better not to get married. The same idea applies to your situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:51 PM
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its not a need , neither is marriage
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:41 PM
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I wouldn't say spiraling, a relationship can run its course, and sex is important in a relationship, if that part isn't fulfilled, it's perfectly reasonable to leave the relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:39 PM
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yeah, if thats how they framed it then fine
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 03:35 PM
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That’s the point: it’s an alternative, and I’m against alternatives. Honestly, I think unless it’s for about a year after giving birth or if the marriage is dealing with other issues, like a tragedy, if the relationship is otherwise fine but the sexual aspect isn’t, you should express your discomfort. If that’s not acknowledged or taken seriously after some time, you should be allowed to leave the marriage or relationship without facing moral judgment, but it often still carries that stigma spec…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:30 PM
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The issue is that sex is a fundamental part of marriage, and having sex outside of it is considered cheating. There’s also the framing that men only wanting sex is seen as a negative for women, from sex work to hookup culture. Men don’t always connect sex with love, while women often do. Even in hookup culture, it’s framed as something that benefits men, yet if both parties are getting what they want the man seeking sex and the woman perhaps using sex as a way to keep him neither is necessarily …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:02 PM
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Not really required implies forced ni they aren't forced to
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:17 AM
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I don't think they are or should be
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 05:37 AM
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Thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 01:20 AM
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Then there is no disagreement
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 01:09 AM
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Ok he is right traditionalism isn't real, does that sound better
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 01:04 AM
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Because he said there is no such thing as traditional men
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 01:01 AM
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Nothing, I just agreed with his point
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:58 AM
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I mean this depends on your relationship soo, but if you want to do that then do that, why are you asking me
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:41 AM
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Maybe you are projecting I don't think women expect men to do this anymore, who cares if men aren't traditional
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:40 AM
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How Edit, how am I trying to take revenge on women
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:27 AM
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Ok women don't have to be the stay at home wife and men don't have time be the bread winners, no problem
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:26 AM
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I agree women don't have to be a stay at home wife and men don't have to be traditional anymore sounds good
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:24 AM
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cant say this is neccessarily true, its reducing in terms of pressure but they still face , i dont know about easier, i would just say different
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:10 PM
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If progressives frame it this way, it doesn’t make sense because they don’t apply the same framing to women. The reality is that society needs to provide benefits and encouragement, and men aren’t seeing that. It’s all incentive-based—bullying only works if meeting the expectation is something they still care about. The less they care, the less it matters, and the less bullying actually does something, and it seems they are caring less and less. It’s not about sulking; it’s about going numb. If …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/26 09:11 PM
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I agree, as long as they aren’t committing a crime or being a nuisance, things like joblessness, homelessness, doing poorly in school, or not wanting to get married aren’t things society forces you to do, but rather encourages and supports you in doing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/26 12:25 PM
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It's not even in the site, it's a telegram group
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/26 09:15 AM
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Stop trying to address men's issues from a feminist lens and more from a result oriented and pragmatic lens
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/04/26 01:01 AM
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Lol it's not even true, even in non patriarchal societies men are still considered disposable and it still maintain the toxic masculinity they claim is unique to oatriachy
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 06:26 AM
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But to a certain extent some of us who are old would like to see men running their own campaigns and not blaming us. It took a lot for feminists to make the progress they have, some of it is fragile, and we’d prefer a non zero sum game. This happens because feminist tend to protest any male centric solution that have nothing to do with them even when not hostile to them, and they also claim to be for everyone and pro equality they should stop saying and then men would stop expecting help
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/26 09:35 AM
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Check any popular post on Twitter about how men should be in. Prison until Otherwise plus check the twoxchromosones subreddit
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/26 09:18 AM
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I think feminist are good for women , not men thou , I think they view men as the enemy
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/06/25 07:31 AM
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to be clear you are right , she is being reasonable ,i have some disagreements but overall i get where she is coming from
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/06/25 02:06 PM
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wouldnt call it it hate , more so disagreement , they aren't even calling her misandrist
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/06/25 01:42 PM
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this is the issue, reputation can help someone hide evil deeds , heck it applies to even her
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/06/25 07:56 AM
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i think the video is reasonable , i disagree with the idea that they are everywhere or that you have met them or they are your friends, because its about not knowing more so than how common, she herself couldn't tell, its hard to check someone when they know how to hide, and this applies in general, i agree with her in the you shouldn't easily trust people but thats because bad people can use good actions to hide , not because most people are bad even when they act nice
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/06/25 07:55 AM
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The problem is their argument only affects men , they want men to be traditional because they believe that's the best way for men to succeed whether they are right is anyone guess but they is no basis it's patriarchal in itself , the idea of men not being able to get resources being deemed as failure is not just something that exists in the past but exists today and is being reinforced even in feminist communities
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/25 07:14 AM
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The societal requirement that men have money seems like one of the clearest possible indicators of patriarchy. That's why it's dumb the reason why its patriarchal was because men had easier time accessing resources the problem is that we just assume they had they had because they were men not because they worked for it , now they don't have as much as access and ease and they are still as expectation , the expectation making that an indicator of patriarchy because the privilege is what makes it …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/25 06:34 AM
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If it was patriarchal then men would not simply be failures for not having money
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/25 06:13 AM
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Because they view men as the enemy , this isn't even me misunderstanding, the idea of the patriarchy is that men control but as much as they claim it hurts they believe it is men who ultimately created it and they believe it was specifically made to bring down women , And every advocacy they make is more so for the advancement of women than for equality even if it is against the personal interest of some women Edit : not all women hate men , not all feminist hate men but according to their ideol…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/25 09:56 AM
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I can understand red pill deconstructed because ultimately they are not completely absurd some of them have good points and actually highlight real issue there conclusions might be wrong but the problems they highlight aren't
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/25 09:49 AM
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None of these uniquely affect men thou and they aren't things that feminists even focus on mainly , they focus on specific problems caused by this and they focus on sexism aspects not the problem not how this problem affect everyone , its if it's like you are trying to say that men should focus on specific issues that affect men but on issues that affect everyone but this expectation isn't even applied to the feminist movement , if you are going to make this critic then you also have to critic f…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/25 09:43 AM
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None of the things he mentioned uniquely affect men
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/25 09:39 AM
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The issue is that's not usually expressed by feminists publicly
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/25 09:33 AM
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Feminism doesn't equal women thou
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/25 09:09 AM
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the answer is simply, respond to worry one and tell them to fuck off when it comes to worry two, i personally dont care, but if a guy tries his best to avoid non professional interactions with women in the work place and avoids them in public , i would side with him, because i dont care if they think he is weird for not interacting with them, if they want men to be free with them , then they have to fight the narrative that causes men to be wary of them , and i like that men are actually fightin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/01/25 03:07 PM
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Create social environment where men could hang out with each other , male only clubs and events and seminars specifically in schools that encourage comradeory and male friendships
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/25 06:01 AM
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I agree you you on the issues , but I don't agree that the feminism as a movement wants this as a team effort , I don't see it
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/25 02:56 PM
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Feminist don't care about male issues , they care about the advancement of women above all else , you shouldn't be getting expectations from there. If you know there actions prove other wise , yes they like to gaslight that's why you have to call them out on their gaslighting
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/25 02:52 PM
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Which is why I don't think men should care about what feminist says when it comes to men issues or MRAs
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/25 02:49 PM
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it can't be because then it wouldn't be affecting women at equal rate, and they wouldn't be complaining that everyone is focusing on men when it comes to the loneliness crisis
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/25 10:17 AM
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If they were really apprehensive. They would have criticized her when she came up with the idea in the first place
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/24 12:59 PM
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Because the goals of feminism and many left wing mens movements are the same in many cases. Getting rid of mens problems often helps women, and getting rid of womens problems often helps men. Very rarely will addressing an actual mens problem set back women, and so you wont get much resistance from feminists when you address mens issues. When have they tried to get rid of men's problems By going against feminism so much you risk alienating the rest of the leftists because women do have issues to…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/11/24 08:04 PM
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You didn't answer my question what is the goal and how does the removal benefit men because so far if men choose to focus solely on self development and only address their issues above all else they would still get back last from feminists , so again what's the goal
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/11/24 07:53 PM
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You are right but men are not the majority of those entering colleges , it's majorly women , you are in highschool how would you know if boys in mass in general are dropping, this is according to stats not me just talking Also women being your friend doesn't make any of what I have said wrong, You believe we should deconstruct gender roles what's the goal of gender roles deconstruction for men and what do you think the benefit is for men
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/11/24 07:12 PM
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It is deliberately ignoring men , I don't think men are a lot less bullied in schools for feminine hobbies but in that case I don't attribute that to feminism more so that things are just changing and there are less boys in school in general , there is no time for boys to be bullying each other
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/11/24 06:54 PM
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Exactly
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/11/24 06:46 PM
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The question which ones leads to the most favourable outcome or successful outcome
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/11/24 06:45 PM
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It depends thou
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/11/24 06:44 PM
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The issues is that you have to change in way that still allows men to succeed and not require women , the thing about feminism is that it's still largely depends on men not going out of their way to help each other and but coming together to help women , it's not just gender roles that cause problems , another question is what is the goal of abolishing gender roles for men
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/11/24 06:13 PM
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I would say abortion , SA , DV feminists have legitimate issues , I just don't trust them when it comes to handling men issues and I don't think they are for equality
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/24 10:17 AM
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Yes
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/09/24 04:46 PM
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Simple , women gave also contributed not just to the abuse of men but women , mainly white women , even some black women should i assign that blame to you as well
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/07/24 03:22 PM
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Thats fair
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/24 11:11 PM
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This isn't really something that they imply outright, but a lot of feminists just have that tendency to act like that. There's this deep conspiracy to market and tailor everything for male use. A great example is the whole shenanigans is the pink tax discussion, while yes, sometimes men's grooming products are much cheaper and therefore more affordable to buy in a bulk setting keep in mind this is usually because men are willing to pay a cheaper price for grooming products considering a lot of m…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/24 08:08 PM
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They can
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/24 05:56 AM
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Its not but they claimed men crrated it and are responsible for it , that is them assigning blame
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/24 05:55 AM
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You're missing the point a bit there. It isn't referring to "men" but "patriarchs"- men who have power over others, in the mold of the Roman paterfamilias. Considering this is supposed to be a "left wing" sub, I'd hope that would be an important distinction. This is still blaming men in the end , because it implies this can only occur based on fact that a man was in control , the statememt patriarchy in feminist terms is used different from how any other group uses it because it used as a villai…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/24 10:53 PM
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Not direcrtly, indirectly but as i said before you are under the assumption that they believe this , they dont , if they did , they would provide equally the same support or resources or at least half of what they do for women they dont , some of them even shunn discoursiona of male issues in university , they dont even t heavily discuss thwse issues in respects to solving them but more as a critic to men and the critic isnt for helping men but educating women and empowering women , they have do…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/24 10:29 PM
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aside from actions the basis of their theories implies that men simply being in charge is based on a strategic and planned effort to subjugate women, and anything that is somehow a benefit to men mainly is a negative even when it has nothing to do with them, they tie into basically anything wrong with the world Take the patriarchy idea, its is mainly deemed as a bad thing because it puts men on the pedestal and harms women and it is mainly blamed on men and not simply a product of the times or e…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/24 10:17 PM
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No abortions , no period pads
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/24 12:07 PM
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They dont , men dont rely on women more than women rely on men emotionally , thats literally the point of toxic masculinity , the idea that men do not try to connect emotionally to any one even their partners , they are the emotional rock even for women , its also why they are the ones whose emotional needs actually take a back seat generally, women also vent to their partners even to the point that it can become toxic , women also use their insecurities as a means to guilt trip their partners a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/01/24 08:50 PM
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I slightly diaagree with that because women also rely on men emotionally , men just tend not to complain about it
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/01/24 08:35 PM
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You are right that seems better to say , also they are insconsistence on the basis of their worth if its the way the phrase
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/23 04:12 PM
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i don't think its wrong to not want to engage in such behaviors or hobbies, you shouldn't judge those who do but the idea that does who don't simply want to are fragile is weird because it implies that they cant just choose not to do something , either way , there is no terrible or negative consequences to doing it
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/23 03:05 PM
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it is true that in some area's men are the leaders DeFacto, specifically in the middle east, some African countries, and Asian countries, and there are some who abuse that power, however, I don't think it's as conspiratorial as feminist make it out to be.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/23 03:02 PM
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The patriarchy is real , but not in the way feminists describes it , its not necceesarily evil and not always a disadvantage to women
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/23 09:27 AM
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False the main reason is lack of charisma for some hygiene and some looks , misogyny can play a role in you not getting , but you can be misogynisitic , openingly and get women , there are several examples of this online and in real life , being broke or not having a degree also doesnt prevent you from getting , also the demonization of masculinity doesnt play a role , there are men who are very feminine and get a lot of women , charisma and unique ness is the main issue , being a good person al…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/23 09:24 AM
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I think men should just go back to being toxicly masculine not because i think its healthy but i dont think people care for them or thier issue so they should do what they have always done, help themselves
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/23 09:13 AM
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The problem is incels are not the biggest or most extreme threat to women , so the comparism makes no sense
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/10/23 10:54 PM
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define militant incels
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/10/23 08:51 AM
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it does, and it's ironic, because it reflects everything the left claims to hate about toxic masculinity which is odd because they use it the most, incel is derogatory not because the person is misogynistic but because the person is incompetent when it comes to sex , if it was based on misogyny they would not receive the most vitriol because they aren't the most harmful to women, not by a long shot even the person they site as an example Elliot roger, killed more men than women when he went on h…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/10/23 08:39 AM
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Not all od them but most of them dont actually matter , they are just people who support , they dont do anythung , we are talking about actual activists
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/09/23 05:04 PM
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even rape statistic , they purposely ignore that rape against men isn't considered a crime in several countries
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/09/23 11:41 AM
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even historically feminist didn't support men in their endeavors, they used to shame men who didn't go for the draft and they were against erin pizzy when she made the claim that both men and women engage in domestic violence
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/09/23 10:18 AM
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yeah women dont come to bat for men thou, most of them dont, men on the hand do for women, there are several men who support feminism
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/09/23 07:38 AM
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i don't think you can be pro feminist and pro men because the feminist ideology specifically views men as the enemy. even the way they talk about men or theorize male action implies that men are just oppressors and their enemy
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/09/23 07:31 AM
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not neccessarily being for men right indirectly makes you ant feminist, because feminism views men as the oppressor class by default , so in a way while being anti feminist doesnt mean pro men, being pro men issues is anti feminist indirectly
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/09/23 03:24 PM
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being anti feminist doesnt mean you are pro male issues or pro equality , it just mean agaisnt feminist, you can be anti feminist and hate men
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/09/23 12:53 PM
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I think there are some form of objectively systematic violence against women , in cases of religions that encourage disciplining of the wife specifically or outright misogyny or killing of women for not doing her duties but that's where i think it ends , i don't believe male violence against women overall is systematic, because its spontaneous it happens random and doesn't actually go in line with the facts, women are less likely to be attacked in public compared to by people they know, women di…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/09/23 09:25 AM
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exactly , you would think people would realise this tactic but they wont
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/23 01:36 PM
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men are seen as disposable so male victims of anything are taken less seriously unless that thing is unique to men and even then, it still isn't taken seriously.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/23 01:34 PM
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exactly because the way at which they use implies men have some form of self hatred , but the reason why they don't label it as that would be because it will take away the focus and attention from women , and what's odd about it is that if they did frame it that way , it could lead to better revelations and results, ​ an example is the idea that men are choosing to not show emotions because it makes them weak, they made it about themselves and implied that its because women are more emotional an…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/23 01:01 PM
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i see , they believe that to talk about men issues , they have to be involved and it has to be on their own terms and for their own benefit , mind you , this was a sub created to help men but they seem more concerned about how the subreddit centers women rather than helping men
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/23 10:09 AM
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Sorry I am about to go on a rant on one of their replies to the linked post because the cracks in their response is too annoying to ignore As far as I know, but I may be off about a couple of things, the core tenets of feminism are equality and equal of all gender expressions, gender identities and non-hetero normative Sexualities. Also I believe acknowledgement of the patriarchal system which system which has, and continues to, suppress anyone that is not a cis-gendered man. Suppression can als…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/23 10:03 AM
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They mean something specific by this, which is that misogyny is a system of oppression faced by women and bought into by misogynist men and women. Misandry doesn't exist in the same sense, and it's very rare to find men and women who hold truly anti-male beliefs. Those few people who do hold those beliefs aren't reinforced by a system of oppression, they're just kooks with little to no power. someone actually said this BS there even thou they literally consider toxic masculinity as an anti male …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/23 09:10 AM
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it makes sense, because its in line with traditionalism, homophobia and transphobic can be misandrist but its isn't necessary misandry just transphobia and homophobia , also even if you did go against this sentiment , this doesn't mean that they do not support men issues, one of the reasons for transphobia and homophobia from MRAs Specifically is because the LGBTQ also participated in outright misandrist and hateful behaviors towards men , and while it doesn't mean they should clap back with big…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/09/23 12:27 PM
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i agree to an extent but at the same thing, they actively oppose solutions as long as those solution dont help women, or reduces their own influences, the reason feminism gets a lot of hate from anyone who tries to address men issues, is because feminist tend to road block areas people try to help men in , even when those areas dont include women, they also like to go after anyone who addresses men issues even their own this sub mainly critics and uses actually good arguments against their point…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/07/23 01:51 PM
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