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/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/26 06:41 PM
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This doesn't make sense, women don't need men to want kids to have to those kids, they just need to have kids, that's not a basis to to task undesireable men because they aren't the issue here, single women shouldn't be exempted because they choose not to have kids, they are actively removing from the birth rate
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/26 04:31 AM
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I used to buy this, ut like bi sexual women proved me wrong even with being attracted to women, they are still more likely to date men even the most feminists and most man hating, I don't think it corresponds with manosphere, it was happening before, manosphere is more moral panic than influencail in my opinion so and even those guys have some women who like them soo
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/26 04:27 AM
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Nahh it's more accurate than inaccurate
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/26 04:15 PM
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They don't have to but men don't have to either because, there is more low reward with high risk
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/26 06:28 AM
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Bro good for you, congrats that you can get women
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 07:49 AM
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Really stats say other wise
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 07:48 AM
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People like you
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 07:48 AM
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Why women are having issues being single why can't they approach men, why is it on men to find them and why is this framed as male insecurity
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/26 07:47 AM
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its usually women who claim its not something that affects them as much.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/08/26 12:19 AM
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Simple, feminism has a lot of infleunce and prevailing beliefs, they also claim its factual even thou its not , its reasonable to challenge it since they actually have more influence both online and offline, hell they have more influence in academia as well
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/26 10:37 AM
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I am. Down for that
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/26 07:44 AM
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not really arguing with them thou, i am saying OP points are in line with some feminist claims
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 01:07 PM
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Men consistently admit that they also pick shitty women in fact I would argue people hold men more to that standard while at the same vein shit talk men's effort to take precautions from prenups to Parternity testing to even going for women with low body count, men absolutely hold them selves accountable for shitty women. not all but it's probably more so than women
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 11:55 AM
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Because people self report horrible but then again the same could apply to women then, there are a lot men who have complained about shitty women when do you start making the claim that it's not men's fault and that women just suck that's your logic
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/26 11:53 AM
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I’ve heard feminists make that claim before, and while you can disagree with them, that’s different from saying I made it up. I’m referring to something I’ve actually heard argued. As for point 9, you’re reframing his argument into one he didn’t make. He never said feminism requires men to abandon the “good” parts of traditional masculinity only that if men choose to walk away from those expectations, women should accept that choice. That’s an important distinction. Even if traits like confidenc…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 11:52 PM
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I have heard feminists make that claim before. You can disagree with those feminists, but that's a different case from saying I somehow invented the position. I'm talking about something I have actually heard feminists argue. And regarding your response to point 9, you are changing his argument into one he didn't make. He didn't say feminism requires men to abandon the “good” aspects of traditional masculinity. He said that if men choose to abandon those expectations, women have to accept that c…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 11:50 PM
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No it's not that people are in capable of hearing, I have heard feminists state that these are some of the goals of feminism, I have even heard feminist claim they want equality of outcome that's why they push for equity rather than equal opportunity, and it's mostly specific to women not even both genders
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 12:19 PM
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How is it childish those are the goals for feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 08:01 AM
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I won't say done more for men, more like when you break the rule, you have to expect that the part that benefits you also stops benefiting you
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 08:00 AM
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Threes things 1 not all feminist are consistent 2 not all women are feminist 3 and you conflate feminist goals with women's goals All three are separate and not generalised all of these would be conflicting but ultimately better for men, I don't care if it's better for women or feminists thou Edit : for record I actually think most feminist would hate this because they are at the end of the day women and they like the good aspects of gender the problem they have no leg to stand for why they shou…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/26 07:58 AM
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It was women who broke that contract, and honestly, I’m not even really against it. But the demands on men from that contract haven’t changed—only the rewards and praise have, and in fact, more demands have been added, meaning men are now expected to embody both feminine and masculine traits. You’re right about the trade-off, but the real question is: what terms are replacing them? Now, women are not only more educated but are starting to out-earn many men. Their emotional standards are higher, …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 08:28 AM
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Your comment got deleted so i cant respond to it
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 07:48 AM
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They are doing those things, but again women not choosing something is not based of men not doing it , it's based on what they choose and what they want , you are expecting men to change even thou we don't even fully know if women have actually changed their expectations or even want to. even you admited you were initially reluctant, even in the most gender equal country, women still pick for traditional dudes, another problem is your hot take is specifically aimed at men as if men are the ones …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 07:36 AM
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What are you disagreeing with, you are the one that said women complain more about it and you infer that it means men are worse, and I told you that's doesn't make sense because people who are wrong can still complain, both genders need to work on it but you are mainly going after men for this
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 07:29 AM
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What could be not what is, women are the ones who select for traditional trait, if they wanted more soft men , they would pick more soft men , men were more softer than the ones int past, but they are entering less relationship and this was even before redpillers
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 07:20 AM
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Then tell that to women, it's women who are not open to it
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 07:18 AM
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Women will always complain men are bad at it, because men are less open about their emotional issues, even when the woman is the one with the issue, she is most likely to complain about the man's lack of emotional intelligence, there are women who chose to make an unsafe environment for men to open up which is why men don't and they still blame men for being emotionally unavailable even thou it's based on their lack of empathy for the dude, complaining more doesn't mean you are the one in the ri…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/26 07:17 AM
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oh i agree, which is why i said reasonable sign, it kind of has to be obvious on their part , but as i said , if there are guys who are just flirty and it works for them like good for them
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 11:06 AM
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i am not sure, i think it depends on the woman , which is why i am agaisnt men approaching without some reasonable level of hint or sign from the women that she is into them , otherwise i general find it unwise
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 10:59 AM
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You could just stop being a feminist , if that's the case
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/26 06:14 AM
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my points are more solid than yours, you are focusing on tech jobs for some reason and i am telling you , they are limited in number , most people cant get them even if they wanted, so why are you assuming men not getting them us based on choice
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 11:11 PM
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what does this have to do with feminism, this is more anti immigration or racism aspect
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 11:07 PM
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that is another issues entirely , are you a troll
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 11:06 PM
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why are you using this sub, this sub doesnt have up to 1 percent of the population of most countries
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 10:52 PM
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no where are you hearing men say feminism is taking their jobs aside from h1b
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 10:50 PM
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where did you hear this from
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 10:47 PM
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I don’t think most men are complaining, but you’re still not making sense. Tech jobs are limited, and they’re not the only type of work,most people aren’t in tech roles not because they dont want but because even with a degree , highn positions or high paying jobs are by default limited
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 10:41 PM
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You know, most men are also raised in Christian nationalist churches, so by that logic, no one can outsmart programming except men, and the only reason to believe they can is if you think they’re mentally superior. most men dont run the "patriachy"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 10:29 PM
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most men aren't complaining about this, and even the people who highlight it just claim that this is a thing. I don't personally buy it, though, as for getting good jobs; it's called the 10% because only 10% of people can attain it , you cannot actively opt , if you arent considered a candidate which most people arent even women, most job suck , not alot are good and those that are have limited spaces, its similar to scholarships, everyone wants one , very few can get one
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 10:27 PM
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half of white women voted for him too thou, and most black men and black women didn't. Maybe the issue here is white people and not men , at least by your logic
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 10:19 PM
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First of all, tech jobs benefit anyone who can pursue them. As for marriage, men should find their own path to happiness within it, that’s my advice, because marriage can only happen if both parties truly want it. I don’t get why there’s such a focus on men when women also might not want marriage or aren’t encouraging it. It’s strange to me that some women who claim marriage is beneficial to men mainly or even only seem to react oddly to men opting out. From the way they talk about it, wouldn’t …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 10:18 PM
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I love how you talk like anyone can just enter the tech sector and be rich , thats not even how economy works, the more people who enter a market, the more the market gets over saturated and less pay that comes Also I don't think you get to determine why men don't want to get married beside it's not like women don't think it's a bad deal either, you also seem to think being rich means you are contributing to society even thou the people who contribute most to society are the working class, strea…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 09:59 PM
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Oh women definitely complain about this
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 09:46 PM
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Exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/26 09:41 PM
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exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 05:03 PM
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i dont think approaching women is particularly encouraging unless the woman actually likes you , and i think that applies to most people. I dont need the world to encourage, but approaching isnt a duty , or something men have to do anymore, and if they dont see the value they can stop and i think thats fine
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 04:53 PM
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yeah but those other things have definite benefits and direct benefits, approaching women not so much, its very dependent
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 04:51 PM
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Ok edit: you seem very concerned that not everyone is into this , but hey you do you
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 04:49 PM
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no by engaging in terms that encourage you and improve you, rejection doesnt always do that by default, you dont over come rejection face it, you either succeed or fail in this regard
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 03:16 PM
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you are misunderstanding something, i am explaining why men see the chase as a chore, because it can become one and not everyone enjoys flirting , in this scenerio, specifically in terms of the chase, i am not against them doing it , but OP is claiming its supposed to be fun and i am saying its not always fun. and not everyone likes it , you are Overeacting
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 03:15 PM
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Resillence is built by increasing your self esteem, not by facing rejection
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 02:20 PM
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you do know , they can just do other things in their life right
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 02:18 PM
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i dont think so , your ego can be fragile either way
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 02:15 PM
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Embarrassment, being filmed , social awkwardness, i dont even need to be afraid, any reason is valid
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 02:15 PM
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a lot of people don't enjoy the activity , i am not against doing it , OP asked why people dont see the fun in it, because not everyone likes it ,or enjoys it, whether its a basic skill or not isnt the point, the same applies to small talk, or even texting, i am not against them doing but i definitely dont decide how they feel about it
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 02:12 PM
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That’s because a lot of people did, and that includes women. I’ve come across people who’ve been ostracized for trying too hard; hell, I’ve been that person. You can lose friendships by being too nonchalant, but let’s not pretend people haven’t said someone is “too much.” It absolutely happens. Rejection happens, and while it might not be a big deal to you because you’ve had successes, some people don’t, and that’s not unheard of. It doesn’t have to be about you; it’s just not a positive experie…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 08:49 AM
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its not always fun, and not everyone likes flirting
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 08:40 AM
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its not always fun
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 08:38 AM
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You have an idealized view of things but don’t account for several factors. Not everyone is social, there’s neurodiversity; not all women are nice, and not everyone is treated well. For example, if you have charisma, you might get a fun interaction, but if you don’t, some people may see you as trying too hard or even bothering them. There’s a lot more rejection, often graceless, and some people are introverted or avoid certain spaces for these reasons. Also, unless they see you as someone they l…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 08:37 AM
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actually no, if anything, guy 1 is more likely to have nice guy syndrome
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 07:02 AM
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its not that, you assume, the conversation is not part of the approach
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 07:01 AM
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Manipulative lairs , How did you reach that, they wait for an opportunity; if it doesn't come they move on
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 06:49 AM
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The issue here is that you assume approaches in general are just natural, one person usually has intention, and its usually men, but you know what, what places do you think they shouldn't, because at this point, i think men should stop approaching, it's not like women want men approaching anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 06:45 AM
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actions speak louder than words
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 09:00 PM
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But every time we hang out it feels kinda like a date, which makes me uncomfortable as fck. I also feel like he is kinda invasive ? We hung out 1 weekend and it felt like I "had to" meet him and do activities together. Each time we hung out, I kinda felt uncomfortable, as if he wanted to be my bf or something. first things first , what is he doing that is actually invasive. Doing activities is part of friendship, so you might be reading into, maybe he is more of an activity person than a sit-dow…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 10:54 PM
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why do you see that as mutually, you can be romantically interested in someone and find them interesting in other ways
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 10:47 PM
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it doesn't seem like you like him as a friend as well or even value the friendship at all
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 10:41 PM
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https://www.regain.us/advice/attraction/what-do-girls-find-attractive-7-ways-to-get-her-to-notice-you/
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 11:56 AM
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It's not about just, when men make the claim that attractoin is mainly about looks and charismas, it's women that claims that's not true not men, women are the ones who mostly push morals as more important, I also never said they told it's simply implied Whether I like to be around immoral is not the point but more so that immorality shouldn't be mentioned when it comes to attraction because attraction is amoral I am aware, I am not the one pretending they don't exist
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 11:44 AM
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They are different but there are also studies showing women claiming that kindness is attractive and Anedotally this sentiment comes more from. Women than men Yes I do have a preference for friends not so much, as long as we are cool we are good
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 11:40 AM
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If this I what you mean by fake and fickle then okay, it's not that I am focused on them, it's those women exists in every environment it would be hard not to notice them as they are part of the dating pool and you can't know they are like this until. You see who they date Do you have any sort of evidence that most women claim they're attracted to morality? Most women in terms of preference for partner,studies show that most women place kindness and empathy as their most important preference
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 11:35 AM
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I am not focused on fake and fickle. You are under the assumption that the women who claim this standard aren't the same. Women dating shitty men, that's the problem and you haven't demonstrated it, The reason you are disingenuous you are bad faith is because you make a claim of my motivation with out evidence, and you are changing the topic of a conversation you brought up and acting like it's related
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 11:14 AM
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No I am not upset, you are actually disingenuous and bad faith
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 11:02 AM
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Never take u/LillthofBabylon seriously, she is disingenuous and bad faith just stop replying
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 08:12 AM
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No it isn’t. You want to treat all women as identically evil while demanding that all women treat men as individuals and sort them perfectly for moral quality. It is a wild double standard. I havent made a moral judgement of women, I haven't demanded they treat men as individuals all I did if they apply the standard that attraction is based on morality equality and consistently and based on my observations they don't which men have observed No. He doesn’t give a shit about a woman’s morals, but …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 03:19 PM
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They usually don’t ask women for advice on how to attract women, and it’s often discussed that women’s opinions on dating aren’t taken seriously because of the idea that " What they say can differ from what actually happens", though whether they’re right or not is another matter. Aside from men who value women’s opinions, which I assume wouldn’t be considered incels by that logic, why would they seek advice from women, and is there any evidence of this?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 01:35 PM
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The point is being missed here. Whether a woman’s morals matter to men is a separate issue. The focus is on a specific claim about what drives attraction. Many women say a man’s character or morality is essential for attraction, while men rarely suggest that women with better morals get more attention. Men often admit that initial attraction is mostly about looks, with character becoming important later. This isn’t about holding women to a higher standard, but questioning a standard many women t…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 01:18 PM
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You're shifting the topic again. My question isn’t about whether fake or inconsistent people exist that’s obvious. My point is that many women publicly claim morality is a prerequisite for attraction, yet some are still drawn to men who clearly don’t meet that standard. That contradiction is what people are asking about. I’m not holding men to a “higher standard” because men generally don’t claim they’re attracted to women for their morality. The standard I’m questioning is the one many women th…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 01:05 PM
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You don’t know this, and there are men who do and still fail. My point is, you can’t completely chalk it up to moral failure if moral failure doesn’t actually prevent success.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 06:58 AM
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Similar to what someone else said: Why do you want those women? i never claimed i did , i said they recieve female attention, also the woman might actually do things in line with good morals, which is why its confusing , if those guys are recieving female attention, then that standard doesnt actually hold up Why do you want women who are fickle and fake? Again, this isnt about if i want these women; you are changing the argument, its about why women claim this is a general standard Who's claimin…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 06:56 AM
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They don’t have to believe they’re good men; the point of the post is that doing the bare minimum, or not even reaching it, doesn’t get you anywhere with women, especially quality women. I’m saying a lot of people who meet or fall below that standard still do see progress. Whether these men are actually moral isn’t the issue; it’s that if their actions are just at the bare minimum or above, then by your logic they shouldn’t see progress. If people doing even worse are seeing results, then your l…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 06:35 AM
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what generalisation did i make
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/26 12:00 AM
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A lot of women deny this; this is one example. They are needed, but they are morally neutral traits. If that's what you find attractive, fine, but they don't necessarily mean the person is a good person
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 11:56 PM
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Women are allowed to make mistakes, but it’s when they claim to hold men to certain standards that it becomes inconsistent. If they admitted they weren’t always consistent, fine, but often they don’t. This post is a perfect example, a woman claiming she only dates good men, yet even you admit women can mess up too. If anything, you should be calling out the OP, not the men disagreeing with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 11:51 PM
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i dont, we arent the ones making the generalisation that all women or even most women date based on moral, women are the ones claiming this standard for example , this post
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 11:47 PM
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its not about attraction to masculine traits being represented, masculine trait arent by default moral , they are neutral trait, most women make the claim that they do not date assholes , even on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 11:42 PM
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They don’t need to claim it they aren’t doing it. If asshole tendencies were displayed outright, then sure, but a lot of them don’t. It’s not about being morally superior, it’s about the fact that people can be openly awful and still get dating results, compared to those who haven’t shown bad or toxic behavior. Accountability for what? They’re not the ones women are dating. If women are still complaining about the men they choose, then they’re dating lousy men. Those men are accountable for thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 11:35 PM
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Men do not deny they date women like this , Women do edit: in fact when men date shitty women, they criticise men too for dating such women
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 11:28 PM
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complaining is not the issue, dating them is the issue, shitty still get relationship , why are women claiming not being shitty is the bare minimum, whether they complain or not does not change this
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 11:05 PM
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it doesnt, but thats not the point, Result talks, not opinion, if men who are shit also get women, then your theory is then challenged, if your theory is challenged with evidence why should it maintian any form of merit
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 11:04 PM
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I disagree. It’s not that they think they should be adored, but rather that when men who lack morals receive praise or female attention, other men question why those men aren’t resented or criticized as much. You’re right that morality isn’t a transaction, but many women claim that being moral is the bare minimum and a prerequisite for attraction. So, when someone who doesn’t meet that standard still attracts interest, it challenges that idea. They don’t believe they are owed anything; they’re s…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 10:55 PM
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Women can do this with themselves too, thou and fhey do
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 06:27 AM
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thats fair, you seem more consistent than most so
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 05:39 PM
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Actually they do, it's less because most women don't approach most. Men
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 07:07 AM
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It's not that they want to be asshole, women claim they don't like assholes , it's women that give the impression that they choose based on moral character all the time, so when they don't, it makes no sense especially for someone who is very morally because the idea is if he who is a piece of shit can get someone, why am I, who isn't a POS still struggling
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 06:49 AM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 06:41 AM
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Anti femininits, trad wives, MRA, non feminist, men, conservatives e.t.c, There are more but those are just examples
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 10:58 PM
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Being a feminist isn’t a relationship role; it’s a belief in an ideology. An ideology that doesn’t automatically make someone a good or bad partner. People often generalize because many feminists present themselves as moral beacons, so when flaws are noticed and questions are asked, they may deny it. You could argue this applies to other groups too, but it seems they aren’t held to the same standard because they dont give this level of charity to any other group they disagree with.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 09:38 PM
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A man who protects , provide , for the family
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:27 PM
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feminism is the advocacy of women to achieve the goal of equality; it doesn't mean they don't have a preference for traditional men in relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 02:45 PM
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A trad wife isn’t the opposite of a feminist, and it seems there’s some misunderstanding about what a trad wife is. They take care of the home and their partner when he’s there. A feminist doesn’t necessarily have to see men as partners; they can still view men as a paycheck and not actively support their partner. Assuming that being a feminist automatically makes someone a good romantic partner isn’t true, and assuming feminists can’t have traditional expectations of men while not fulfilling th…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 02:12 PM
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That's part of the issue, what's the motivation prob just greed and control, you assume the idea is simply about money only, no some people just like controlling others
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 07:13 AM
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You don't need to target wealthy people to be a gold digger, you just need to be more financially motivated about the relationship than having a connection based relationship, meaning you want your partner to cover all your cost or even pay for everything even thou you aren't doing your part in the committed relationship, you are under the assumptions that gold diggers only target rich no they target people willing to spend and they don't even have to be in the same economic class to do that
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 07:10 AM
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I am fine with caveat it's not always 50/50 all the time but in situations that aren't lopsided yes it is
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:14 AM
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That's the baseline then your example doesn't matter either
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 09:10 PM
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You aren't getting it, you assuming logic some people just like taking advantage of others even people who are poor, a woman doesn't need a reason to take advantage of someone, neither does a man, why marry if I can just have sex with someone else and leave, you are looking for basis, even thou ther doesn't need time be, I don't have to be rich for a woman to use me away a wallet, I just have to be willing to do what she wants
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 06:07 PM
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Actually, they do. Divorce and child support can be a real strain, and they often come with a financial hit. But as I’ve said before, it depends on the person, not the arrangement by default.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 05:51 PM
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not really, there are women who use their partner as wallets , there is real difference in motives, you are looking for a way to apply this specifically to men and i dont get why
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 05:44 PM
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ok not loyalty , but a 50/50 is not a basis for a redflag, is poor behaviour that is basis for that , if you dont want your relationship to be 50/50 say that but the issue isnt the 50/50
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 05:44 PM
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Women don’t usually approach other women, so they might not understand that approaching women can be effective. They also tend to virtue signal, so it’s important to consider who you’re listening to. Even if you focus on one person, it doesn’t guarantee success. It often makes more sense to ask advice from a man who has been successful rather than from a.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 05:34 PM
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That’s because they don’t make the effort, and it’s so frustrating that even lesbians have noticed how hard it is to get into relationships. It’s easier for them since women aren’t as guarded around them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 05:26 PM
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but this goes both ways whay are you making it sound unique to men
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 05:14 PM
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I think it’s a dumb take. Whether a man splits things 50/50 or follows a strictly traditional approach doesn’t make him more or less loyal. This applies to both women and men, there are men who cover everything financially, even hire a maid, and still get cheated on, sometimes losing their money and kids in the process.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 05:12 PM
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Lol you don't get to determine that lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 03:22 PM
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I don't know whether or not it will lead to better outcome but i am saying men approaching doesn't always or even mostly lead to success and they should approach when they want to , who they want to and when they think it is likely to lead to success, but I think the same applies to women biology doesn't entitle men to anything but it's the same for women
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 03:18 PM
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I don't think it's better for everyone, if you want to approach, approach if you don't, then don't however if someone wants you or is interested in you, it's up to them to get your attention or approach you themselves and that includes women, no one is entitled to anything even women, as for expectation I don't believe either gender should have that expectation
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 02:39 PM
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I don’t agree because I don’t think feminism is truly against gender roles for men, only for women. If it were, there would be equal effort in addressing the gender expectations placed on men and in calling out not just men, but also women who engage in and expect those roles from men. That doesn’t happen often, so I’m not convinced. I do agree on one point: feminism gives men an excuse not to participate, not because the movement inherently supports it, but because men are no longer obligated t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 01:22 PM
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This isn't about approaching a random man , you approach the person you want and find attractive and then hope they like you back, approaching doesn't reduce or increase the risk, the only thing that changes is that you are approaching based on your preference not picking who meets you, if you have never seen a man hot enough, then why are you expecting men to approach you, you are prob not going to give them a chance any way because you don't think it's worth the effort, it feels like you just …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 12:43 AM
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You are right so you have no issues just pick the man you want then
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/26 12:13 AM
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who is using who here exactly, you who wants a relationship or the person who wants sex , because either way ,unless the person is forcing you are lying about wanting a relationship, they arent being dishonest so
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:45 PM
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yeah but it doesnt always lead to it sooo, again you want something be clear about it
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:36 PM
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exactly you are expected to disclosure, i am open to both, if you strictly want a relationship fine but you are the one to make that, people like going with the flow, if you want to be direct be direct
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:34 PM
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not everyone feels that way, and thats okay , you dont get to determine who feels that way and who doesnt
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:29 PM
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they should communicate, but as i said before if you are somehow not clear as well its because you dont want to be direct as well , if you want somthing as you said before based on the incentive, it pays you to be direct and if you cant and he is just going with the flow thats on you for not communicating
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:26 PM
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this is somehow changed because you approached him, men still approach women and still make this complaint , but as i said before a man approaching you doesnt somehow make him a better man , and you sleeping with him is not payment for a relationship, you can choose to stop the relationship, just like men can choose to end a relationship that doesnt follow through, you know just like how if you dont have sex with them , they move on , or if you somehow show red flags they move on
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:25 PM
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unless they lie, i dont see the issue
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:37 PM
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ok
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:35 PM
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not everyone dates through apps so
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:34 PM
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i guess when women complain, its because they dont care
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:34 PM
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this implies dating always leads to relationships or that there arent people who date for fun or for other reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:31 PM
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in that case, maybe men complaining is actually a good strategy then
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:30 PM
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i disagree, unless the person lies to you then you are not actually entitled to a relationship, except you somehow see sex and payment for that
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:29 PM
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you do know even if they approach you , they can still waste your time which is the point, if it was that you were saying yes based on seriousness then sure, women say yes to men who they find attractive
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:26 PM
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its not about law, if men arent approaching those women its because there is no incentive to approach, its up to women to approach those specific men in that scenerio , because those men have less to gain approaching them
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:23 PM
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by that logic no woman should complain about men not approaching them , and they shouldnt complain when a guy they like doesnt notice them
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:19 PM
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this is a risk regardless of who approaches
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:18 PM
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you approaching doesnt change this
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 10:15 PM
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you are right, its a double standard and its not really justifiable anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 06:43 PM
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Maybe you but women in general, we don't know this
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 08:36 AM
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How you treat might be different from what this answer suggest
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 08:31 AM
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I disagree some people just have different standard of judgement or trusting people
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 08:24 AM
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Women have done this too
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 08:22 AM
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Smart people maybe in general no not always
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 08:21 AM
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Lolll
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 08:17 AM
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You are right men can reject women but it is statisically true that they are more open than women
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 08:16 AM
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You are being treated the way average men are being and you think that's unfair, why
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 08:03 AM
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I am not expecting a reward , I am being told it comes with a reward, don't tell me it comes with one and then get mad when I claim it doesn't which u think most people are saying, men say it doesn't lead to that, women say otherwise, if you are actually being honest that morals has nothing to do with it then sure but that's not what is being sold
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:57 AM
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It's not about capitalism stop giving it as dating advice, dating is neutral whether you are good or bad doesn't determine success
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 07:52 AM
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noted good discussion actually, glad we agree
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 12:03 AM
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I don't think it works for 99% of people that's the problem in the past it worked because people were kind of forced to pair up, it's not the case now
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 09:52 PM
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This is kind of his point, it is sold as a meritocracy , it's not
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 08:17 PM
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That's not the point thou, results is what we are talking about not whether someone is truly good or not
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 08:15 PM
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I don't think men's value has decreased and I don't think it should radicalize, I think men should just get used to being single and they will be fine
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/26 07:16 AM
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I agree with Richard Reeves but and I am not for generalisation but I am for holding the movement accountable for its shitty member , they don't do that, and the reason i am is reasonable, the charity you are requesting for them is not something they award to other groups they disagree with, even this one, they aren't deserving of that charity
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/07/26 10:28 PM
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I don't think you get to decide that as a generalisation for you sure but people have casual sex for multitude of reason not just based on the criteria you assume is important
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 05:14 PM
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i agree with this take
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/07/26 03:42 PM
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you would have to find 10 misogynist explicitly associated and praised by MRAs or even this sub
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/07/26 03:38 PM
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Oh the same applies to men, men don't always know what they want, and just like women, men aren't a monolith
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 01:30 PM
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You do realize a lot of women also echo red pill beliefs, right? If listening to and observing women was the best or the even the ultimate solution, then many of those red pill theories wouldn’t hold any truth. You’re assuming women always know exactly what they want or are clear-cut in their preferences, but believing women doesn’t always work, if it did, everyone would follow their advice and be feminists. Even your point on feminism isn’t entirely accurate: most anti-suffragettes were women, …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 12:16 PM
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Men do speak about this issues, but they dont get wide spread support from the general society , and usually they get shit talked by bigger movements
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 11:53 AM
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Men are still doing it, but they need support from women. They often don’t get that support, and more men support feminism than women support MRAs.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 11:52 AM
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Then there is no issue then, but if you are then , it's a double standard
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 07:06 AM
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This isn't about whether the looks are respectful or not it's about pretending you aren't doing it for male attention
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 06:58 AM
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Okay, but how many men actually do this? This seems like a serious outlier. Your argument is based on a weak premise, using an outlier to make a point rather than reflecting a common pattern of behavior. you are cherry the most extreme and asking for why they would do this , most men do not do this , no i mean most women encourage marriage more than men overall , its not usually not men forcing marraiges
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 01:36 PM
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you do know the concept of pretty privilege and even studies actually disproves your claim, dating is your responsibility sure , but this isnt even a "narrative ", its just a fact, people treat the people they find more attractive better, and it affects both genders, women have made this exact complaint, do you a think they also have a victim mentality , if you say yes then you dont believe pretty privilege as well,
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 01:32 PM
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This is a straw man, most men consider finances before considering entering a relationship much less getting married , if anything it's usually women insisting on marriage even progressive women
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 12:43 PM
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Most women don't have to do this, they do this because they want to attract a specific man, you aren't entitled to a man you, it's up to you to appeal to him and it's not by force, you choose to do this
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 10:02 AM
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You aren't getting, they don't have to get into a relationship , they have to get a job, they have to explore
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 10:00 AM
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I don't want a relationship where I would be judged at all, just be loved for me and I would love them for them, if you asked the same. Question the other way round for women what should the answer be
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 10:00 AM
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You assume doing these things lead to the results by defualt this is not true, women also aren't clear on what they seem desireable most of the time
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 09:53 AM
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Men don't complain about women wearing revealing clothing thou, rarely see this happen. Also women outright whine about men looking at them at the gym and finding them attractive, men don't, if you aren't trying to get male then you have the right to complain but if you are then you are the issue here, you deny the intention behind it and gaslighting men for calling your BS out
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 09:45 AM
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I disagree, I would argue most men would be fine being stay at home husband, you see just under the assumption that Stay at home husbands are popular with women, women also want a man with finance in fact one of the reasons a lot of men aren't dating is particularly because they don't have the means to finance a family
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 08:17 AM
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Are you kidding me, the wizard liz
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 06:41 AM
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You can have any preference, you arent just entitled to men meeting them, you look for the man you want and then appeal to him, if you can't then that's on you
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 06:21 AM
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It being way less predatoru depends on the woman
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 06:43 AM
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If they are too scared to talk to men then op is right, they don't want to approach men and they don't want men approaching them
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 06:41 AM
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Not the person in your life but the person you are romantically involved with , that being said no one is perfect but in all fairness you are asking for more charity than you afford, the op point is actually a reasonable reaction to someone pulling away and not receiving info on why, if they reach out and you don't respond the ball is in your court
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:59 PM
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Ok
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:49 PM
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That's not having more option that's just not participating
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:44 PM
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That's something you Inform your partner, if you aren't telling them why you are distant rhats poor communication
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:41 PM
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Ok sure but what does this have to do with having more option
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:38 PM
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Desirable in what regard thou
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:38 PM
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Men don't deny doing this, women absolutely deny that they treat women better based on attraction, its women who claim that what makes men attractive to them is deeper than looks, it's not thaten think it's discrimination it's that women are claiming they don't do this
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:27 PM
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for dating no
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 11:16 PM
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UK wasn't a matriarchy but I wouldn't call it a patriarchy either
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 11:03 PM
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I don’t think a lot of men are choosing option three; I believe they’re going for option one. I also don’t think men are more frustrated; women complain just as much about dating. Their complaints are just seen as less whiny, even though they’re pretty much equally whiny. When men choose to give up on dating Just like women, there is also a stigma, people actually don't accept that and infer it as frustration rather than accept that action; this tends to happen a lot
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 10:38 PM
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it not just economics, gender relations wer less polarlising and the social media wasnt as prominent
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 10:04 PM
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Sure, instead of trying to appeal to the men they want, it’s not really a choice made from having options, but rather from not wanting to compromise, and that’s fine. But why expect the same from men? Men should also be encouraged to stay single rather than adapt to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 09:58 PM
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That’s not what women are doing; otherwise, they wouldn’t be single, or there would be more men choosing that expression. You seek out certain types and try to appeal to them, and if you can’t appeal to them, then you’ll remain single.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 09:38 PM
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Traditionally masculine traits aren’t by default conservative; they’re just more likely to encourage conservative tendencies, because it's conservatives who encourage that form of masculinity. I also think there’s some confusion between liberal and progressive. The issue is that progressive women often claim you don’t need to present your masculinity in a specific way, but that doesn’t necessarily matter when it comes to attraction because attraction isn’t logical. Just because they say they’re …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 08:54 PM
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First off, it’s not about whether a preference is valid, but whether it creates an obligation for either gender to meet it. Relationships are about compromise, so both sides need to give and take. Everyone has their preferences, men included, and if someone doesn’t meet yours, you wouldn’t lower your standards, which is fine. The same goes for men. No one should be blamed for their preferences, but everyone is responsible for the results they get in dating, regardless of gender. It’s perfectly f…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 08:39 PM
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They are now less interested in relationships and less willing to compromise, yet their requirements have grown, and their expectations have become more rigid compared to their view on masculinity. Compared to the past, fewer people are involved, and the tools men once used to navigate these dynamics have diminished.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 08:18 PM
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women have a part to play as well , but so do men its multi faceted
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 08:15 PM
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The only thing that makes patriarchy unique is the leadership of men, nothing else. Not gender roles, not traditional expectations of men, not even what’s considered toxic masculinity. It’s solely the leadership aspect that sets patriarchy apart.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 07:51 PM
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millenial men didnt have the same economic challenges , that gen Z does
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 07:48 PM
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This is relatively true; however, I think much of it comes down to social change not catching up with expectations and economic changes.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 07:44 PM
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If a man wants a relationship with a woman, he’s the only one who wants something. And what he wants is a woman. Women don’t have to do anything because he’s already decided he wants one. thats not how relationships work
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 07:40 PM
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ok what is masculinity
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 06:29 PM
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The qualities ahe is talking about traditional masculine qualities not looks thats the issue here
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 05:31 PM
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Fair enough
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 04:08 PM
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That doesn’t make sense. Women can be single too. If the claim is that more men are single not by choice, that’s fine, but it should also be shown that women choose to be single because they see it as better, not because they can’t find the man they want. They don’t actually have more options, since that would suggest there are more men than women, and in reality, more men are actively seeking relationships than women. Dating apps give women more opportunities because men are more likely to init…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 03:54 PM
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What does this have to do with my point
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 12:34 PM
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You can be conditioned and still fail at something, but being conditioned is not an excuse for making poor choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/26 12:04 PM
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Okay, sure, you’re right; you can be progressive and still express traditional masculinity. Apologies, what I disagree with the guy in the video on is the idea that he can prescribe a form of masculinity as if it's the correct version; that's antithetical to the idea that masculinity shouldn't be restrictive
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 11:42 AM
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No, you don’t get to decide the masculine expression that individual men, or men as a whole, choose to show. You can only encourage the one you want and hope they decide to embody it. Even if they have the qualities you want, if you’re looking for that type of man, it’s up to you to embody the qualities that kind of man desires. This video also goes on the assumption that women by default embody the qualities these type of men want, we dont know this.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 11:12 AM
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People are advocating for women not to adhere to gender roles at all they aren't doing that for men, otherwise this video wouldn't exist
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 08:34 AM
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Exactly, conservatives are the ones who promote this kind of masculinity. You don’t even have to be conservative to appeal to it; you just need to find a way to meet these men halfway. I don’t think the type of men these women want would necessarily date them, because there’s no way for a guy to know which woman embodies the type of femininity he’s looking for unless he talks to her. It’s conservative women who encourage traditionalism, while progressives are the ones who reject it. They even cr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 08:13 AM
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Why is a progressive making a prescription for masculinity, I thought the point was to not let any gender be confined to their roles, if you want a gender roles more performed it's up to you to encourage by giving incentives to prefer that role
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 08:05 AM
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Love how I didn't even mention feminsim, I also don't have issue with this dude, I just don't get the if the prescription is somehow in line with the type or even the ideo of masculinity progressives push for
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/26 07:49 AM
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Men dont pretend to be shallow about looks
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 10:46 PM
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To be fair I don't think they should be granted that level of charity
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 07:42 PM
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The issue is that is subjective, there is no objective basis they can use to counter it
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 07:40 PM
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Clavicular no but Bonnie blue and lily Phillips sure however this only applies to sex positive feminist, the problem is they blame rather than sex positive feminist or Bonnie blue which I don't think they should but for non sex positive it doesn't actually contradict, it's just the target of their rage should be Bonnie blue and lily Phillips or even sex positive feminists
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 07:38 PM
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I mean this is kind of what they are doing and women still whine about it, people kept shitting on the mgtow, even hook up culture lol
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 07:36 PM
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Everyone wants to be loved, i agree but its way more than just why cant you just give up, when they do , society tend to judge people who are uncsuccessful with relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 07:45 AM
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You are right it's not but that's the point, if it's not then you would be judged by what you claim is the most important factor
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:51 AM
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This is kind of this point right, women claim their attraction is less shallow than men okay then sure so why are you acting like the judgment is coming from men
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:50 AM
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I disagree , women are the ones who imply they are deeper in terms of ttraction than men, it's usually not men , men have never deny that physical attraction is what moves them , women tend to deny that physical attraction is what moves them
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 06:48 AM
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I doubt that. Most men are still expected to be breadwinners, even in progressive places, and it’s still women who tend to file for divorce first. I don’t think men are the ones rushing into marriages and then holding all the power and control.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:39 AM
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men have low standards for sex , but not relationships, it takes alot for a dude to propose or want to marry you,
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:11 AM
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I don’t think men make that claim. Everyone is entitled to their standards, but your standards don’t entitle you to the person who meets them. Your dating pool may shrink, and even if you find that one man, it doesn’t mean he should want you. Luckily, women have no problem being single, so…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:10 AM
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Lol fo almost all women want to reproduce
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 11:59 AM
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in this scenerio no, they are freinds,they arent in a relationhsip, they owe each other nothing, this only matters if there is an established relationship, there isnt one, they are just getting to know each other
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 09:33 PM
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What makes it bad in this context,?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 07:10 PM
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I don't think ultimatums are bad, it depends on context
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 06:58 PM
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He was direct, you are seeing his direct as manipulative, that's the opinion here
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:10 PM
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It can come off sure but you are the ascribing, aside from your own opinion, there is no real basis to claim he is being manipulative, also, what lines again wanting sex in a relationship doesn't guarantee the relationship should continue, this is parallel to men paying on dates, it doesn't guarantee anything
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 02:02 PM
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Based on what, you are the only person implying intention here, you don't know this , also sex is not payment for relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:55 PM
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Not really, if he was dressing it up as exploring romantic compatibility then he would bring up sex as multiple, according to post, he expressed he wouldn't continue the relationships, if there was no sex and he chose to be straight forward meaning when she said I don't know, he took as no, she invited him later and he asked again, how is that manipulative, she can say no
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:51 PM
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If he is being direct how is it manipulative
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:47 PM
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Yeah they aren't claiming the other person is wrong for not ending things either, in this scenario, the women are saying, he is wrong for being direct
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 01:45 PM
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I don't , I an not a redpiller
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 02:05 PM
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It's disconnect because they don't think it's morally wrong to not have sex
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:52 PM
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Moral judgment is the belief that an action or person is morally right or wrong. It is an evaluation. For example: "Lying to your spouse is wrong." Hatred is an intense emotional attitude of hostility, disgust, or deep dislike toward someone or something. For example: "I hate that person." They can over lap they aren't the same thing
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:36 PM
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Hatred isn't a moral judgement
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 01:23 PM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:55 PM
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Yeah for getting sex not for being a good person
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 07:19 AM
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I am asking you what the moral judgment is, you are claiming there is, okay so what's the basis
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 07:18 AM
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This isn't about right and wrong overall just what they want to achieve
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:51 AM
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Bad thing for their goal, not bad as a concept, can you prove this
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:50 AM
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Wrong again cuck means you let your partner sleep with other men , beta means weak, if you are weak, it means you lack the skills to be successful in dating , at least they think this, a cuck doesn't get sex, redpillers measure success based on sex, they don't believe a cuck is having sexe hence the insult, what context, what connotations
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:34 AM
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Except it can, you can explain what flirting and get evidence on the most successful types of flirting, you can study if specific dating event actually leads to success, Dr K has done this, but it doesn't claim it's an absolute guarantee but this increases your chances, I never claimed redpillers do this so
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:28 AM
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Being a simp, beta, or cuck, isn't considered morally, they just consider it weak, not bad, they think it doesn't work or isn't respected
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:25 AM
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Yes you are right on that
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:24 AM
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You can be anti feminist and left wing
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:23 AM
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It's not accountability, accountability means being held accountable for your actions, this isn't about actions, it's about success and in this case effort deosnt guarantee success
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:22 AM
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They aren't moralising being a smile, they are calling you that because they believe being a simple or beta doesn't work with women
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:21 AM
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Perception sure not the actual ideology
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 06:19 AM
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No one, but moral judgment about dating failures, especially towards men, seems to come more from progressives than from redpillers. I’m not sure about tough love, but saying it’s your responsibility to improve your dating life is different from saying it’s your fault. Sometimes things aren’t your fault, but if you want them to get better, it’s up to you to fix them. You can say it’s someone’s responsibility without claiming their failure is solely due to lack of effort. These ideas aren’t mutua…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/07/26 12:09 AM
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I never said they were unideological, but they’re more likely to admit the blame isn’t solely on you. Blue pillers aren’t like that, and most normal people aren’t always upfront that dating advice doesn’t guarantee success, which is the real issue. It’s not that the advice is worthless, but blue pillers tend to place more blame on the individual regardless of the effort put in, even thou the effort never guaranteed success in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:50 PM
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It’s not that it doesn’t work, but more that no one really has solid, evidence-based dating advice. Red Pillers claim theirs works, and for some people, it can. for you to give proper non toxic dating advice, you have to acknowledge that it might not work and its not your fault. Progressives usually don’t give men that level of grace except for people like Dr. K, and they tend to focus more on women. Men don’t necessarily need dating advice; they need honest discussions about their issues from a…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:38 PM
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That doesn’t make sense. The red pill isn’t enforcing this; they’re acknowledging what’s already enforced. If we were actually dismantling these roles effectively for both men and women, the red pill wouldn’t exist. They rely on gender relationships to make their observations, but observation isn’t the same as endorsement. It’s about examining how society views and treats gender and its roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:26 PM
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That’s what I’m saying, the red pill isn’t inherently right-wing; it just happens to have more right-wing people associated with it. Unlike feminism, which is left wing because it’s politically motivated as well , the red pill isn’t driven by politics. It’s more of a descriptive and prescriptive framework about dating and gender dynamics. While many followers may hold political views, the framework itself isn’t a complete political ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 11:23 PM
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You’re misunderstanding what I’m saying. Based on red pill values, they can align either way because they’re not actually pro–gender roles edi: whether conservatives live up to their is a different conversation, i am talking about redpillers not them
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 10:07 PM
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The red pill and conservatism are related in public perception, but they are not the same ideology. Traditional conservatives generally emphasize marriage, family stability, responsibility, and protection, while many red pill spaces focus more on sexual strategy, hypergamy, status, and male self-improvement. That distinction matters because conservatives can reject aspects of red pill culture while still holding traditional views about gender roles. At the same time, politics still affects datin…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 09:54 PM
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I don't think they are behaving the way they have been instructed , I think they are just not seeing the value of IRL approaches and choosing to do it less, approaching isn't always fun and if men are doing it less, it is simply because it is now less worth it
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 07:06 AM
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I don’t think getting rejected by default necessarily builds tolerance—it depends on the person. It also doesn’t mean you’ll automatically get better at being social. Sure, it can help, but you can also improve those skills through apps. It’s not about staying in your shell. You’re talking as if approaching people in real life is always better, but we don’t have evidence that this is true or that the benefits outweigh the drawbacks. That’s just your preference, and everything else you’re saying …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:12 PM
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You don't have way better odds IRL , no evidence actuslly supports this
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:39 AM
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Its possible , but it's not because approaching in person is superior, there are people you would never want approaching you or never date in real. Life but you swipe right because dating apps are curated, it does both ways, the reason this advice sucks is because in person approaches aren't by defualt better than dating. success doesn't improve automatically because you approach in person , can it sure but that isn't because dating apps are inferior, rejection rate is high regardless, it's not …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 07:36 AM
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I don't think women k ow when to open up then, I think people are just more considerate of them opening up
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:51 AM
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i believe that too, thats why i tell men to move on and focus on more important things and that if its happens it happens, if it doesnt they will be okay
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:48 AM
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YOU ARE THE ONE MAKING THE CLAIM, YOU SHOULD HAVE THE PROOF
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 08:06 AM
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The difference is that men tend to complain more about this, while overweight women don’t seem to voice as many concerns about a lack of dating results. They also appear to get more matches on online dating apps than men, or even as many as men. I’m not sure if they get approached much in public, but I doubt it’s purely about attraction, because generally men get less female attention than women get male attention. In my opinion, guys who don’t get female attention are generally more honest than…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 08:44 PM
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i dont actually buy that obese women get curve as much as people claim , never have i seen this expressed in mass as a dating issue by them , they might get less attention compared to average women sure, but no attention , fuck no, thats BS
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 08:31 PM
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I am not a feminist because u don't sub to feminsit theory I don't think it's absolute, they usually think it is, it is also not a good frame work to address men's problems or the interests of men
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/07/26 05:27 PM
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yes whats your point
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 09:09 AM
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Aside from the 25 years aspect, there is no real argument against this
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:09 AM
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I mean sure
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:04 AM
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No I think the father matters here too
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:04 AM
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Not really, if you want them to punish men they can do that
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 06:03 AM
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I agree
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:24 AM
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I don't know that's depends on them , if they want relationships they need to like men, I don't think they care for relationships so
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:48 PM
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I don't think men need to change to suit dating, just to Improve themselves
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:47 PM
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How did thru weaponise young men's inability to make them right wing explain it
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:41 PM
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You are right , women don't like men and men should just focus on other things rather than dating
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:36 PM
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Ok that's a better argument
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 01:53 PM
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Then they shouldn't be taken seriously
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 12:58 PM
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And even with that all or nothing they are usually still inconsistent
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:29 AM
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The biggest reason the red pill is popular is because it highlights real behaviour that people don't like to acknowledge exist in dating, for example even if progressive reject gender roles being forced it doesn't mean they reject it as a preference so they don't believe they should live by it but they want that preference for their relationship, it's inconsistent but you can't point out hypocrisy because it's based on choice not actually destroying gender roles, if they wanted to destroy gender…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:17 AM
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Liberals don't reject gender roles, they reject the idea that it should be forced, an obsession with body count is not a political idea, you are also under the assumption that you have to be conservative to be pro gender roles , you do not, you can subscribe to gender roles and want low body count and be liberal, it's about choice not rejection , red pill philosophy is not in opposition to liberalism because it doesn't force its view on other by default, you can choose to reject it, that's why t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:58 AM
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You aren't getting this , they deny the premise that there are women like this
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:56 AM
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Men have never denied that crazy girl can be attractive in fact, there is a reason don't stick your dick in crazy is such popular advice
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:53 AM
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Men don't deny this thou, women tend to deny this
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:52 AM
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Oh they say that a lot, they clain they are ibcels because of misogyny
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:49 AM
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correct edit: for IRL Approaches too
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 08:31 AM
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thats because lottery tickets are cheaper in comparision, and even if the odds are low the rewards are high, this is not the same as dating edit: you have not established, that approaching in person hs a higher return on investment compared to dating apps
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 08:08 AM
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I don’t think it triggers insecurity; I just think it’s not a factor worth considering as valuable to a relationship. It’s more of a nice-to-have than something that should be seen as attractive. Why? Because women usually don’t spend on their men, at least not in a way that evidence suggests is as significant as when men spend on them. A woman being successful doesn’t inherently make her better at relationships, make her relationship material, or automatically approachable. Many of these people…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 07:48 AM
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This isn’t necessarily true. If that were the case, more men would approach in real life than on dating apps and they wouldnt be more on dating apps compared to women, .
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 07:34 AM
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oh i agree with you , i am saying they dont have real arguement agaisnt his point
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 07:26 AM
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you can only make this take if you actually have proof that approaching real life is worse than dating apps but we don't have evidence for this , and that it is universal, rejection rates are high regardless of medium , its not the worse, but that's because it's not actually inherently better, it depends on the person, the better argument you would have made would be what is the incentive to approach in person or if the cost to benefit is worth approaching in person than it is online, and if it'…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 07:23 AM
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because there is no real arguement, its not that the advice is worse, but its not way to determine that IRL are by default better than dating apps for everyone, they is very little evidence supporting the idea that dating apps are overall worse than in person approaches
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 07:17 AM
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people might not be a monolith, but that doesn't prove your point, because it can also apply to dating apps
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 07:11 AM
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i kind of disagree, i dont think talking to people in person is inherently better than a bar, it depends on the situation and the person, unfortunately , even in real life , the rejection rate is still significantly higher than the success rate, its almost on par with dating apps so , his take has some merit , however you are right, its not the worst advice but people overstate how much of an improvement approaching in real life is
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 07:06 AM
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It's not usually what happens lol You are right and they usually do
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 03:43 PM
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Actually no, they open up about work stuff, not making enough money, body image issues, e. T. C you only care about the ones opening up about women because that's the aspect you want to shit talk
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:09 PM
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Being a victim is not the same as acknowledging problem, being a victim is asserting that you can't do anything about the problems, not talking about it and handling it yourself is doing something about it
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 11:43 AM
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Give examples please
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:47 AM
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Exactly they are acting like redpillers caused widespread hatred of men but like they were already hating men before
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:47 AM
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Do you know what manosphere is
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:45 AM
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Because it is, like fundamentally, manosphere is not a belief, it's a label it's not even consistence label
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 07:45 AM
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Yeah, that’s another issue, they forget that their philosophy is mainly from a women’s perspective and interpretation. They rarely center men’s perspectives, so the idea that men should follow their philosophy is based on something they haven’t really proven that their philosophy is what’s best for men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 10:54 PM
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It seems you view gender equality as women heing free from gender roles , and not both genders being free from gender roles
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 09:19 PM
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even when they want men advocating for themselves, they want it done through a feminist lens, the issue with that, is that a feminist lens prioritzes womens expereince and feminist theory , not neccessarily men or even mens interpretation of the issue , so why they think thier own lens is the best is beyond me, any thing independent is met with skepticism everytime even when its by someone supportive of their cause , e,g Dr, k or chris willaimson who arent anti feminist who arent anti feminist b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 08:59 PM
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MRA dont reject feminism as an idea, they reject the movement based on its conduct,if anything its usually feminist who reject mens rights advocacy as an idea on its , some not doing doesnt mean the movement itself is pro male advocacy
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 08:40 PM
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Ok you know what fair, I will grant you that, there is one more thing I need to confirm , do you have a higher expectation from men or this or feminists because even in this scenario, it's feminist not making an equal space for men in their movement not the other way around,it'sf supposed to be them reaching out to us not men reaching out to them, so who is your expectation more aimed at, Edit: Men arent the one excluding themselves from the idea or from feminism, its feminist that are excluding…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 08:29 PM
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That's fair, I do think we shouldn't do that as well. Edit : my standard for feminist will usually be higher because they claim to be of a morally higher standard compared to this group
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 08:14 PM
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That’s fine, and I can apply this to you as an individual, which I am doing in good faith. You haven’t provided a basis to apply this to the movement, and if you are the exception, I can only apply it to the exception, not the whole. I’m fine with striving to be good, but that doesn’t mean I can’t have standards for a movement or judge it. Whether I agree with some of its ideas doesn’t mean I can’t judge it as I see fit. I think you’re mistaking judgment of feminism as a knock on the person judg…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 07:14 PM
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not you specifically, the movement does not , they do not hold this standard for any other of its detractors, from MRAs, TERFS, Pro Life, Conservatives, Redpillers, Manosphere( this isnt worse because its not even a movement , its a label slapped on anyone they deem nanosphere not even based on the individuals themselves ), incels , the male loneliness epidemic is consistently shit talked by feminist, men , anti feminist , even liberal feminists and this isnt just based on conduct, they outright…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 07:10 PM
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Now to the point where I disagree with you. As I consider the emotions of resentful women (point 4), I consider the emotion of resentful (of feminism) men too. This is why I made the post trying to bring a discussion. If I didn't care about the emotion of men being unjustly treated by feminists, I wouldn't have joined the sub, and I would have consider it just a bunch of misogynist men talking to each other. Instead I'm here not negating the dangers of current feminists discourse, and trying to …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 07:04 PM
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the idea maybe, but feminism is more than the idea, it is a movement, at face value the idea is good, but a movement is never taken at face value , again you dont even apply this standard to your detractors edit : and when i say level of grace i dont just mean the conduct of their detractor, but even the base level idea of their detractors even if if you think about it , its not completely unreasonable , they outright reject it
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 06:34 PM
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The feminist movement doesnt give this level of charity to its detractors thou, so even if you think it has value, you are asking for more good faith than what is being offered
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 06:31 PM
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its not about not expecting them to feel resentment, its that you are pretending that resentment doesnt apply in feminist theory or ideology, or that it isnt shown in practice
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 06:24 PM
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i dont know if feminist hate men, but men are definitely very low on their priority list, some of them helping men is not an a statement of the entire movement , just of those people, it doesn't mean they get the support of the whole movement or even most of the movement, in fact a lot of them usually get pushback from within the movement, i also noticed you bring up bell hooks she seems to be the go for any criticism about how feminist treats men , even thou thats just one feminist thinker and …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/26 06:23 PM
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You are correct but more so because effort and a relationship meeting your standards doesn't mean you will feel more fulfilled in the relationship, it also doesn't mean you will get one or even one up to your standard, this can only work if logic is the only thing at play or if you are completely shallow, but that's not how emotions work
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 11:10 AM
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the difference isnt tpoint, its that you are the one making a choice not me, you can choose to consider men, it is exactly the same scenerio as he described
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 10:11 AM
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You can't is my answer, enough is not based on results in this situation, its based on the other persons perception of your effort , not on the effort you actually put
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 09:49 AM
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The issue attraction isn't based on logic but perception of the person you are trying to attract , logic has to account for both parties, you can't fully account for perception because it is independent of effort Edit: lack of success doesn't equal lack of effort
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 09:28 AM
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How is enough characterized in this regard
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 09:18 AM
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That's not how attraction works
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:55 AM
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No I think men put enough effort, I just effort doesn't translate to success in terms of attraction
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:47 AM
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it's not, there are weak men in the military, weak men also get drafted
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:05 AM
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How is that show of appreciation, are they doing better than the general public, do they get accolades that put them a over the average citizen , is their pay extremely high. Are they given the best resources to adjust to civilian lives edit: the show od appreciation is symbolic but it doesnt mean they are adequately compensated for their service
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:04 AM
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That's not a basis , being weaker is not a basis for exclusion
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 07:53 AM
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It's not about why should we send the weaker gender, being weak doesn't absolve you of duty, it's being incapable that does, whether barbarians did it or not is irrelevant, I am asking for a reason why it's wrong to send women to war along side men, rather than just men
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 07:48 AM
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Lol sure because the men were showned gratitude
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 07:41 AM
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Women should fight because women also live in that country, simple as, having fighting age men doesn't entitle them soilders by default because if it did, that would also apply to women
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 07:41 AM
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That's not a basis for why they shouldnt fight wars, it's just a basis for why men are better fight, not being better doesn't mean you should be excluded give a tangible reason, as for create, this only matters if women are actually having children
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 07:38 AM
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Oh really what metric are we using here
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 07:33 AM
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I thought men and women were equal
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 07:31 AM
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I don't think "regardless of gender" is an accurate description of feminism. If it were, men and women's issues would be treated equally. Instead, feminism focuses mainly on women's issues, so gender clearly affects what it prioritizes. Saying some feminist groups care about men's issues doesn't change that. The question is whether they treat them as equally important. In practice, they generally don't. Even on issues where men are the majority affected, like suicide, or homelessness, or even th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 08:37 PM
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where am i incorrect
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 08:06 PM
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They were egalitarian but because they were on the idea of human right regardless of race not race, feminism is about women's right not general human rights
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 07:56 PM
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Inflatable
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 07:52 PM
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Oh ok
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 07:50 PM
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That has nothing to do with what Op is talking about, do you know what OP is asking
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 07:48 PM
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I don't know I am not asking them to
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 07:45 PM
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I am not talking about not taking issues seriously thou, I am saying feminists prioritize women's issues above men's issues
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 07:40 PM
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Even if they do, that doesn’t make them egalitarian. Egalitarianism means taking everyone’s issues equally seriously, and feminists don’t do this for men, women are centered , men are not , but function , they are not egalitarian, whether they care about men is irrelevant , its about equally prioritizing, they do not equally prioritize men Edit: this isn't even the main point OP demand of men doesn't make sense
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 07:06 PM
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what does this have to do with whether feminism is functionally egalitarian
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 07:02 PM
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ok what does that have to do with my point
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 06:56 PM
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I’m not asking feminism or feminists to champion men, prioritize men, or center men. Having political power in society isn’t the same as having power or influence within the feminist movement, and just because men passed certain reforms doesn’t mean they were the largest group involved or the ones most influencing feminism. Since it’s been acknowledged that feminism centers women and that women are its primary constituency, why is it on men to shape how feminism is viewed? They aren’t the main r…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 04:37 PM
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I don’t think that’s an unfair ask from men. You can be a feminist and a good person, but being a feminist while centering male issues is a different matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 02:39 PM
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My point isn't about what men have lost because of feminism, nor about what you think feminism is meant to be. It's that the movement, as it exists today, doesn't center men, it centers women. even if you think feminism benefits men or is for everyone, it doesn't mean men have equal influence over its priorities or direction. So why would men's opinions be the deciding factor in shaping the movement? If women are the primary members and the movement's leadership, institutions, and discourse are …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 02:32 PM
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you arent getting it , its not on men to support the good feminist, its on feminists to support the good feminists, why are you putting that burden on men , and what change do you think it would bring to the feminist movement if men supported those feminists, if mainstream feminists are bigots, its on feminists to criticise them , not men, they don't care about the opinions of men, they do care about the opinions of feminists thou
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:17 PM
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thats not the question, OP is acting like our male ancestors would be good for women or even care about the opinions of women, if they ruled by fear why would you see them as the better option compared to the men of today
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:14 PM
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they most common and most popular names in feminism , arent the most egalitarian, they dont portray men in the best way, the media they show the most, their conversation when it comes to men isn't the best, if the egalitarian feminists was the most common then i would agree with you, they aren't edit,: they don't have to be, they don't have to cater to the way men should view them but like why is it on men to find the egalitarian feminists
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:01 PM
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are modern women obeying men
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:57 AM
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like its actually odd , men are secondary in the movement, this isn't even my take, thats what they say and claim and their actions prove , why would men's opinion matter in the movement
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:28 AM
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this only matters if men have an equal position or stake in, feminist goals, activities and feminist discourse, they don't . The priority of feminism has always been, and will always be, women. Men come second, both within the movement and in its goals. So how does their influence matter if the people leading and targeted by the movement aren’t moved? Men’s influence on feminism is secondary and not on equal footing with women, so it’s unclear why their influence or even support would lead to si…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:24 AM
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why would they need the help of men and non-feminist and why are they entitled to it
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:14 AM
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Men do support such women, you are just under the idea that they are common, or that they are the most commonly portrayed form of feminists, in most media, or even the most supported, if their own movement doesnt support them, why are you putting the expectation of support on men instead of the movement, its the movement that should be portraying the best version of themselves not the group they shit talk edit: Two other things, they don't have to cater their messaging to men, they make that ver…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:42 AM
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Because it doesn’t benefit in the same way, abortion fundamentally changes women’s roles socially, legally, financially, and structurally, but for men it doesn’t. For men, the impact is only conditional and incidental; nothing else about their roles has changed. Men’s roles haven’t somehow diminished, and they don’t uniquely escape fatherhood because of abortion—something only women can do—and it doesn’t reduce male gender roles in any meaningful way., women can choose , men cannot
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:27 PM
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my point exactly. We don’t have definite proof that it benefits or makes things worse for men ; it can, but it depends on women, so it’s not an advantage for men as a group. My main point is that it also doesn’t remove the expectations of traditional gender roles, you are right legal is too narrow so i am not using just that but also structural and cultural, not much has changed in this regard for men due to abortion existing , the highest you can say is a guy who didn't want a kid was off the h…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:21 PM
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It doesn’t have to be about legality, but more about a lack of conditions. The benefit to men in this case is very conditional; it doesn’t really change anything, and they don’t directly influence the decision, only indirectly and if certain conditions outside of their control are met. Regardless of their preference, they can’t do anything to change it, and it doesn't affect their gender roles positively or negatively
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:13 PM
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Those are important structural and legal improvements, but they aren't necessarily examples of disadvantages that every woman experiences daily. Not every woman wants to vote, attend college, join the military, run for office, or get divorced. Likewise, while opening a bank account independently was an important legal right, many women weren't interacting with banks every day, so the impact was often indirect rather than a daily obstacle. I would grant the issue of marital rape, that was an obje…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 03:07 PM
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At this point, I think you’re trolling. You were the one who said before that men were legally and financially responsible for a child, and the choice to abort for women hasn’t changed this for men, you brought it up. There’s no baby to be responsible for, but if there were, even if men disagreed, it wouldn’t make them any less legally or financially responsible.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 02:27 PM
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Men are still 100% legally and financially responsible for a child if one is born. That hasn't changed. The only thing abortion changes is that the woman has the option to prevent the child from being born. Whether that happens is entirely her decision, not his; he has no influence unless she wants his influence. So I don't see abortion as giving men a benefit in the legal sense. A man who doesn't want to become a father still has no mechanism to opt out if the woman continues the pregnancy. His…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:57 PM
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i will try to address your main points A lot of times here in debates i see men claim that women are treated better, that people are sympathetic to women automatically, simply because they are women. But is it so? This is true, and it's not simply opinion-based; there is actually a study that applies to this called the women are wonderful effect. It also applies to benevolent misogyny, so the intent of the sympathy might vary but they go experience more sympathy than men overall, thats a fact, n…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 12:05 PM
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how does that even follow, your reasoning in inconsistent here,
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 11:34 AM
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You are right, it's whether he makes enough money to support the family that benefits you
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 11:32 AM
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Then it doesn't benefit men then, it's say women can make choices, that benefit men, that's not an inherent benefit, you want to make a point you don't even believe so bad, whether men are paying child support more doesn't matter because if women made the choice to have the kids they would still pay child support, it does not equally affect men or women, the woman's choices carries more weight in this scenario why can't you get that
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 11:28 AM
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You aren't getting it, this doesn't always prevent it, if the choice prevented if on its own then yes but men's choice doesn't actually matter on its own, women's choice do legally speaking
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:10 AM
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Whether or not they would is irrelevant to this discussion
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 10:06 AM
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I didnt, prob Reddit, I said supporting your partners decision doesn't mean you agree with their decision
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:58 AM
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The study is being misrepresented. It doesn’t state that couples made the decision together; it says most women reported their partner was aware of the abortion and supported their decision. That’s not the same thing. Supporting a partner’s choice doesn’t prove the man personally benefited or that his preferences influenced the outcome. More importantly, discussion wasn’t about whether some individual men can benefit from some abortions. The claim was that feminism provides men with direct benef…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:51 AM
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First, feminism hasn't eliminated the expectation that men provide. Even in countries that are considered highly feminist, men are still more likely to be the primary breadwinner, and many women still prefer or expect men to earn as much or more than they do. There are also countries with strong feminist movements that retain traditional expectations in other areas, such as male-only conscription. That suggests changes in gender roles are influenced by many factors, not feminism alone. Second, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:38 AM
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firstly, what evidence shows the likelihood is low and secondly, even if that were true what does that have to do with the main point
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:35 AM
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is there an inherent benefit to men caused by feminism or feminists
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:05 AM
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we also have provisions for single parents, whether we have enough is a different convseration, and we mandate parents who arent present to pay child support, thats her choice and she can choose to abort to , you are under the assmuption that women do not have children against mens wishes, this is false, it can happen whether you think its right isnt the point, its that legally they can , and legally a man cannot
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:03 AM
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again deflection an existence of privilege doesnt prevent one from being disadvantaged, Women are getting actual government mandates, with legal backing, which don't exist for men. If it had been legally gender-neutral from the start, it wouldn't be a privilege. I never claimed it was oppression, disadvantage doesn't always mean oppression; it just means something that doesn't work in your favor. Unless there's a way to exclude men from something everyone should have, regardless of gender, and t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 08:58 AM
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alright , i gave another answer which she replied to , but as i said , neither she nor you have an asnwer to the question
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 08:49 AM
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Most men do not benefit, and deciding as a couple is a personal matter that affects both parties and it only matters if the woman values her partner’s opinion. Again, this depends on the woman, it’s not a decision a man can make alone, but one a woman can make on her own. How is this hard to understand? And what do single mothers have to do with this conversation?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 08:48 AM
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what direct benefit do they get
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 08:40 AM
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its a dishonest question, the standard is applying isnt even something she can apply to women , if you ask for the benefits to their lives
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 08:36 AM
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You are deflecting; that's not the conversation. They asked what disadvantages feminism gave to men. I answered, am I wrong that it is a disadvantage
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 08:26 AM
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i gave an answer, then asked the question
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 08:25 AM
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The point isn't whether some men can benefit from an abortion taking place. Obviously, some do. My point is that abortion doesn't represent a direct gain for men as men. The legal right belongs to the woman. If she wants an abortion and he doesn't, she can still have one. If he wants an abortion and she doesn't, he has no legal ability to compel it. His role and legal position haven't changed. So, while some men may benefit when their partner chooses abortion, that's an indirect or incidental be…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 08:24 AM
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It's not even a vague answer. If you create gender-specific initiatives to address what is fundamentally a gender-neutral need, then you've created an institutional disparity. That's a concrete disadvantage. The reason you can't point to someone's personal life as evidence is that movements make claims about populations, not individuals. Individual outcomes are influenced by countless factors besides gender, so a single person's experience can't establish or refute a general social claim. If you…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 08:09 AM
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ironic how i actually answered your question thou , but you chose to deflect,
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:29 AM
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I don’t expect them to; I’m not the one claiming they benefit or advantage men—feminists are the ones who say that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:17 AM
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thats true , she didnt answer my question
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:14 AM
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oh we dont need women, but thats not the question in context, why is used as an example of things feminist fight for
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:13 AM
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thats not vague, whether its something that is justified is not the question, its whether it exists or not , also no i dont have a specific case because there is always other factors involved , but the idea is that gendered opportunities, regardless of why they exist, exclude the person that isn't part of that gender is a disadvantage to the gender its not helping especially if the opportunity is for something gender neutral,
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:08 AM
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No, the fact that gendered opportunities exist reduces my chances simply due to me not being part of that gender , and is therefore a disadvantage
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 06:58 AM
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I’ll be straightforward: there’s no direct advantage men gain, and it’s not consistent across the board. For example, with shifting gender roles, feminists may advocate for removing certain expectations for women, but that doesn’t mean those same expectations will be removed for men. Abortion doesn’t really change anything for men, and men’s roles haven’t shifted much. Issues like the draft are things they oppose, but their fight against it is conditional, these are some , you want more
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 06:54 AM
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Aside from increased misandry, it reduces my opportunity to get jobs due to quota meaning , i have a reduced chance getting a job, same with schools, i am not afforded as much chance of a getting a scholarships, there are less social workshops for me provided by the governement when i am in trouble because a lot of them are gendered for women, they tend to pathologize men , leading to more misconceptions about men and more mischaractirizations of men
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 06:49 AM
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this isnt caused by feminisms, and feminist dont have to be anti by default, finland proves this
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 06:47 AM
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There are no inherent advantages, though there can be some indirect ones that depend heavily on specific situations and on how the feminist movement chooses to address them, which they often don’t. If we separate men and women, there’s no inherent advantage for men, do you think there is one
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 06:46 AM
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I don't necessarily know about disadvantage aside maybe they have increased the misandry but like I think they significantly overstate the advantages it gives men and they tend to pretend it only comes from them even thou they are just one factor they aren't even the main cause, another issue is their theory over pathologises men and because it is taken as fact by most of their well members, it leads to a lot of misconceptions. There is more but for now that's that I can think off
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 06:36 AM
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These arent things necessarily caused by men, mensuration, pregnancy are things you experience because your body functions like that, some of it need men sure , but they aren't caused simply by men mainly, also, you can choose to get pregnant, there is birth control and depending on where you live abortion, we are also acting like women are going out of their way to have kids , they aren't anymore, why are you still using child birth expectations , when most of you currently are having children …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 06:08 AM
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I don't think it's due to their lack of belief in equality but I do think it is a red flag if a woman is aggressively against 50/50 because well, that just shows , she is a selfish individual who isn't willing to spend on her man
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 06:06 AM
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this isnt objectification, its payment for a service, paying for a service is different a relationship built on mutual trust, the passport bro know what they are signing up for edit 2: the reason men started complaining about women focusing on money was because the idea of love was sold, men knew the contract and they accepted it , its other people pretending that its not a real thing
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 09:29 PM
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Maybe justification is a bit of a stretch but people claim that as reason for misandry all the time, and when they are called out this is the same. Response so
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 12:38 PM
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No horrible experiences can lead to misogyny, there are guys who have been abuses by their mother's, or experience bullying, even SA, it's not purely rooted in jealous , sometimes it's justified
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 07:40 AM
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I am not pretending, I agree , I am that's the point
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 07:23 AM
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Again, "men" is doing really heavy lifting for your point that it shouldnt , which is one factor among many others, but this shouldn’t apply just because they are Russians.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 10:44 AM
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I'm not saying Norway can't do this or that it has no justification. I'm saying it made a conscious choice to prioritize supporting Ukraine's mobilization over applying its principle of gender equality in the asylum context. That's why I think the principle is conditional rather than absolute.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 10:42 AM
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They have full control over their asylum laws, and that’s what makes their stance hypocritical. Not interfering with conscription isn’t the same as granting asylum. These are separate issues, one can influence the other, sure, but they’re still distinct. That’s why they’re not living up to their principles on gender equality. Interfering means directly protesting Ukraine’s conscription, which is not the same as granting asylum.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 10:36 AM
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Russia started the war, Ukraine didn’t—they defended themselves. It’s Ukrainians, not Russians, who are seeking asylum. Simply being men is not a significant factor, but it is a lot of weight in your argument . If anything, it makes more sense for men to accept other men seeking asylum. I don’t see how it’s everyone sacrificing if men are still sacrificing either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 10:32 AM
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thats part of OPs point.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 10:29 AM
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we are not talking about Ukraine, but about norway and denmark
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 10:27 AM
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It's against their principles on gender equality since how their conscription is structured is based on gender equality, their asylum laws are not, so its willing to forgo the principle of gender equality , and sacrifice men
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 10:25 AM
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again you keep going back , we have accepted that its about benefit to ukraine right , good but its proving ops point that they are willing to sacrifice men, against their principles but for their benefit and ukriane
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 10:21 AM
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its not about their position on their conscription because if that was the case, they would send women back, since according to their law and their own belief, women seeking asylum should be sent back as well , its about their position on Ukrainians seeking asylum. Again, it is inconsistent with their principle
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 10:16 AM
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the issue is this is based off a feminist state
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 10:11 AM
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I’ll grant you this for the sake of argument: they’re doing it to help Ukraine, and by extension, sacrificing men’s autonomy. This means their principle only holds when it doesn’t require personal sacrifice for Ukraine. They aren’t interfering with self-government, and whether they involve women or not doesn’t affect the war. They’re doing this to Ukraine and are willing to sacrifice men’s autonomy to achieve it, which supports OP’s assertion.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 10:09 AM
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how is paper abortion not fair
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 09:59 AM
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Self-governance applies only within your own territory, not someone else’s. Whether men avoid conscription isn’t Norway’s problem to solve, since it doesn’t violate Norwegian law. Norway isn’t Ukraine, if I go to Norway, I’m bound by laws, not Ukrainian ones, because it’s not Ukrainian territory. This isn’t about benefit; it’s about non-interference. If the goal were to benefit Ukraine, that would be a different argument, but you said it’s not about interference. Accepting or rejecting women won…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 09:49 AM
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I am saying that is not in line with their principles You brought up how bodily autonomy vs another nation's ability to self govern, them giving asylum doesn't prevent ukriane ability to self govern, ukriane controls and what happens in Ukrainian not what happens in Norway same goes the other way and not accepting women also doesn't interfere with their war effort, you are changing your argument every time
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 09:34 AM
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It does interfere with it but thats different from undermining laws . Or not supporting ukraines war effort
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 09:27 AM
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No it doesn't because it's happening in Norway not ukraine , women aren't allowed education in Afghanistan it doesn't mean they get to UK, they should still be denied that, that's not how laws work, someone escaping a country and leaving to another is now under the law of the other countries, regards of Ukraines wishing Norway accepting Ukrainians men and women doesn't diminish Ukraines law
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 09:23 AM
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That's fair but another countries right to self govern isn't what we are talking about because Norway accepting or rejecting it doesn't change that principle because the men are seeking asylum from Norway , Norway accepting them doesn't interfere with the laws or Ukraine
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 09:20 AM
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Because they claim to be a feminist state that's by proxy
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 09:17 AM
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ok, because if norway isnt willing to accept men for asylum, it means their principle is not absolute, making the OPs argument correct
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 09:14 AM
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thats not my question, fo you think it is acceptable for a country to sacrifice men in war time for the sake of victory, if the country didnt start the war
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 09:11 AM
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ok fair, i just have one question, is it acceptable that men bare the cost of their autonomy for the sake of their country
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 09:09 AM
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ok but how does that translate to not granting asylum to men but to women? Bringing women doesn't support their war either way, nor does rejecting men , also you did Because, once again, Norway has no control over who gets conscripted in the Ukraine. The only thing Norway has control over is whether or not they are going to actively participate in putting the entire country at risk. unless i am misreading this comment
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 09:04 AM
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but the idea isn’t to reduce in Ukraine but in Norway. If the goal were to lower the risk in Ukraine, they would be supporting Ukraine in the war.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 08:58 AM
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Based on what? That’s a subjective interpretation of value. There is a basis to claim that men choosing not to fulfill their duties can have worse negative consequences than the alternative.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 08:55 AM
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ok but why not just reject Ukrainians in general , rather accept women and reject men, that would reduce the risk overall
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 08:54 AM
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That means they’re willing to sacrifice men regardless of their principles, which proves his point. Why should men bear the risk when the idea is that, even with enforced conscription equality, both sides should receive it?, because both sides can equally contribute according to the principles of the nation, why only drop the principles for men and not for everyone
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 08:50 AM
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You know that they are feminist states, and the draft also requires votes from all parties but Finland proves this is false. in theory they are against, but they dont take actual moves to remove it
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 08:38 AM
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Again, feminists fight for women’s empowerment, not equality. You’re also assuming that removing the patriarchy eliminates gender role for men. Finland, and really any society where women have political or even matrilineal power, proves this is false, men’s roles haven’t changed and I don't think they care to change it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 08:36 AM
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You do know emotional intelligence kind of requires logic right but I get where you coming, the issue it leads to questions like why does manipulation work and it also goes to show that dating is more luck based than effort based
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 08:28 AM
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not as much as women no
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 08:11 AM
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I don’t see how it’s a projection. I have no problem if women don’t want to date men who pay for sex, and if that’s their only issue, I’d be fine with it. I’ve seen them criticize guys who use OnlyFans, watch sexual anime content, follow certain Instagram accounts, or play games with highly sexualized characters. Even the goth girl OnlyFans archetype gets hate, and it’s usually aimed more at men than at the women making the money. While that’s their prerogative, if oversexualization is considere…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:26 AM
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unless there is actually trafficking, as in you are forced , either by black mail or slavery , if you ae doing it to make money thats on you
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:01 AM
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they tend to be spiteful towards the depictions thou, even thou its more about demand than being forced to potray them that way
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 11:58 PM
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I think they’re being hypocritical about it. I don’t agree with the reason you think they are, though. i just believe a lot of women want to have their cake and eat it too, they act like they can devalue what sex means while also emphasising its importance when they deem it so, which I don’t think works in their favor. It’s similar to how they view hookup culture: they hate its existence, blame men for it, and claim it benefits men even thou its something that comes from devaluing the need for a…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 11:15 PM
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if respectful men are still approach, then this isnt a real problem
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:38 PM
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i dont think it has anything to do with morally superior, i just dont think they have to approach women , they are giving reasons why , but they dont need a reason , they can choose not to
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/26 03:37 PM
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Psychologist, I don't think it's just for women, I just think, I just think mem aren't usually recommend the right type of therapy
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:33 PM
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Both sides can have be responsible at the same time for the same problem, I am not responding to you anymore, you aren't productive
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:32 PM
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I said they do but it's not mostly on them
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:30 PM
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Yes they have a responsibility doesn't mean men shouldn't try but if the institution is failing to market it well, that's part of the problem
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:28 PM
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That's how it's usually showcased and that's how it described, it's also my experience of it and I had at least 6 sessions
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:27 PM
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Huh I guess it wasn't marketed well to me
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:20 PM
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Most men do not respond positively to talk therapy which is the most recommended form of therapy and the most common and while it can work, it hasn't produced the same result as it has for women
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:10 PM
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I can do everything and blame society because society should help when a large number of a group is affected by something
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:03 PM
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I don't expect the institution to do anything, if they see men to therapy as a problem then they should try a different approach men aren't the ones claiming therapy is the solution you are and clearly it's not helping you or you wouldn't be posting here
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 03:01 PM
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How did I admit that they don't suffer in science You just said that institution should do more to convince men to get help instead of men wanting to get help. You just admitted men don’t wanna find solutions. That's not how it's works , if men aren't seeing the benefits of therapy or how it's helps them it's for institution to encourage men are using other means from, exercise to self help books to hobbies thr point is that if you really think therapy works show you evidence and encourage them,…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:57 PM
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I don't think people should pity men thou, I am saying the men suffer in silence statement doesn't mean they aren't looking for solutions to solve their issues
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:51 PM
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I don't think it's magical I just don't think society is doing enough to solve it and I think that's a fair assessment
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:50 PM
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I think you're mixing up responsibility with explanation. Men are responsible for addressing their problems, but understanding why many don't seek help is a separate question. Also, saying "I don't see men investigating their issues" ignores that many men do try things—exercise, self-improvement, religion, career changes, talking to friends, therapy, etc. The issue is often that they don't view therapy as the most relevant solution to their specific problem, not that they've done nothing. And if…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:46 PM
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How did I prove it right, if women are underserved when it comes to depression, they would research how to address and raise awareness how are they doing this for men at the same rate as women
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:38 PM
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You haven't shown evidence specific to mental. Health drugs just drugs in general and there is no study that shows that it's supposed to treat all symptoms here
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:37 PM
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ok troll
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:32 PM
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give me evidence that men are the main test subject for mental illness and mental disorders your anecdote doesnt prove your point, and i dont even believe you if they arent doing it whats your complaint, also they can complain about society everyone does this even women, this isnt unique to men
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:31 PM
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thats an issue that the inistution has to solve, if a group is not being address then you have to research why that group is not going to therapy, because its not simply they dont want to , no one addresses any issue like that, they find ways to encourage the group and not just through social norms , but other methods i dont believe you, you shit talk men too much for me to think you actually care about them , and you consistently post about how terrible men are
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:29 PM
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actually no they dont, most men dont blame feminism, as for society , they are allowed to do that, do you think women dont blame society for their issues
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:26 PM
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it being individual based doesn't mean it will work for men as group is my point, so claiming it as solution to men's mental help isnt a guarantee, you give it as an individual advice not as a group advice, if a group is having issue, you need ways to address it based on that group not individual advice , how is it infantizing to say you should sevre male patient different because their issue might require a different approach, then its not men thats are misreading, its people misrepresenting th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:25 PM
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suffering in slience doesnt mean you also arent addressing your issues i read your post, i am saying you are contradicting it , its not a real complaint, its also not assigning blame to anyone, its just acknowledge that you are also going through stuff and trying to figure out life as well, thats what suffering in silence means , you misrepresenting how its actually used
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:19 PM
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It does. I think many men just don't know what that looks like. what does that look like That's true of everyone. Doesn't mean doing it alone, but it does mean that no one will do it for them. That's impossible. for men , most of the time it does, it usually does mean doing it alone It isn't ineffective for men. Men do not try. When they do manage to get into an office, they overwhelmingly quit after the introductory session. The top reasons cited? It's uncomfortable, and they didn't get everyth…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 02:17 PM
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Mental issues aren't always solved by medication or therepy, and they aren't gotten for free , not everyone has the money to access this, again there are other factor, plus you are already said most men try to address their issue, why do you think that doesn't include therapy
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:58 PM
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So what's your complaint, if most are doing what you are saying, why are you making the claim that they are aura farming when they suffer in silence Edit: because you do know suffer in silence means addressing your problem without telling people how much the problem actually affects you, it's not a woe is me statement
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:54 PM
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Give me evidence that therapy is actually helpful to most men who seek and that it's just as helpful as it is to women, when men have seeked help from you , did you help , has society done anything to actually help men when they seek help , give me one instance that society went out of it's way to help men when they sought and men rejected the help not because it didn't work but because they wanted to aura farm
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:52 PM
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That's a mental issue not a sign of men don't want their problems solved , again it doesn't seem like you care, because a person who cared would encourage men , not be condescending, women also do this, but we don't go around saying it's because they don't want to solve their problems, the same for addicts , you don't care, you are looking for a reason to shit talk men, you are a troll, if you really want to bring up this debate , you would argue how therapy is beneficial to men
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:49 PM
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Failing at fixing doesnt show a lack of responsibility, it shows you need help, your problem is that you are looking at failure as a lack of effort and not a sign that maybe we as a society should assist men in addressing these issues Also you are the one seeinto it as aura farming, if men were not asked to abandon traditional masculine norm they would not complain, literally they are doing what society is asking them to do now, showing their pain but you are assuming it should be done the way y…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:45 PM
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Most men aren't whining the only reason they bring up their issues now is because society is telling them to, generally they do not , that was part of the problem , OP made a claim that men are suffering in silence because they don't want to seek help and rather they want to aura farm and I am telling you if the help was actually working more, they would seek it, there is no proof that it is somehow making the lives of men who use it better because it individual based it's not shown to be genera…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:42 PM
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Most men aren't bitching about feminists, feminist bitch more about men than men bitch about them Secondly they do, but medication doesn't always solve the issue, and they do go to therapy, therapy isn't actually as helpful, my question to you is this, why isn't the institution trying to tailor in such a way that encourages men to seek it more, rather than men going to seek therapy
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:38 PM
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You are Reddit, it doesn't seem like it's helping much
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:34 PM
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thats fair but not everything can be taken is the point and sometimes you have to accept that
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:33 PM
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That's not it, you are under the assumption that therapy always work or that it's so easy to access, it's not, I am telling you , they are addressing the issue based on how they know to, you are the only one viewing it as aura farming, the fact that they aren't seeking help from others doesn't somehow show a lack of personal responsibility, if anything they think no one else can help , that's not aura farming
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:32 PM
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Oh that's your perspective, you can only have peace if your desires are met
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:30 PM
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They are caring about their problem but they are solving it individually the issue is that not everyone can solve their problems without help
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:30 PM
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Can't really say, I think there is just more expected of men when it comes to dating socialization than people like to admit
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:29 PM
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You can take your desire seriously but it doesn't work out, you can't keep forcing it, I understand persistence but not at the cost of peace
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:28 PM
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You do know that is part of personal responsibility
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:27 PM
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What do you think is supposed to lead to that change since you know what to do
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:27 PM
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This isn't a dating subreddit, it's a subreddit to argue gender relations, most people want it but I don't think that want should come at the cost of your sanity
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:25 PM
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It's not about what you want but accepting that maybe it won't happen and moving on, it's different from you not putting in effort and it not work, you out effort it didn't work move on, you don't always get what you want
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:24 PM
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It's not about it being cool or masculine , it's that you assume men actually voicing out their concerns means it will lead to solutions or sympathy , in the end people will hold them responsible to solve their problems , even if it is a large problem, even therapy has been shown not to work as much as people believe, but rather than the institution to increase its tools in addressing why therapy isn't as effective for men , they still put it on men to still navigate their issues themselves, men…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:23 PM
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No one thou, are asserting that women do as well
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:19 PM
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Like 4 didn't lead to anything
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:18 PM
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No it's not, especially if that thing isn't necessary to live a happy life
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:16 PM
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I think the advice is to be happy despite being single which I think is good advice
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 01:14 PM
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Actually the chase is coming down, it's slow but it's happening, I guess women are becoming less magical and less exciting
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:27 AM
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Exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 08:19 AM
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Fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 08:39 PM
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What I said is easier said than done but that's what I would suggest, not saying I am right, just answering a question
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 07:14 PM
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That’s not true. Unfortunately, the manosphere has highlighted something people don’t like to admit about dating—it’s more about perception than actual character or morals, and you can do everything right and still fail. While they may not explicitly say this, the counter-narrative they promote exposes flaws in general dating advice. There’s no such thing as an optimal path to success, but in terms of actionable tips, they often offer more and try to account for more variables. Some of it may be…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 06:57 PM
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I think progressives should be discussing male issues beyond just encouraging men to open up. Actively seeking help is a good step, but it’s only one small part of the picture. Organizations addressing these issues need to reach out to men directly, not just wait for them to come forward, and ensure their protocols and solutions actually work or make progress when they do. There should be male-tailored approaches to solving problems like suicide, loneliness, depression, domestic violence, and ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 06:33 PM
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ok
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 06:11 PM
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i dont see how they are being pushed, if they wanted relationships, they could get it easily, i dont think they want it
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 03:06 PM
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alright
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 02:49 PM
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I’m not making a claim or assumption; I’m asking for proof that changes in women’s roles benefit men. Saying marriage is beneficial doesn’t disprove my point, since most marriages remain traditional, with men as breadwinners more often than the reverse, even in dual income household the mans income is seen as duty based, even in progressive spaces. The idea that men feel emasculated by earning less than women does happen, it’s neither the majority nor as common as some think. Just because you an…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 02:45 PM
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I agree, dont think this is a bad thing thou, if fewer relationships happen less relationships happen, and honestly , i think both sides will be okay , if there will be relationships, there will be relationships, if there arent, there arent, but i think both men and women would be fine
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 12:04 PM
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i dont think anyone is blaming anyone here
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 12:02 PM
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he is not wrong , less people are entering relationships, getting married, if anything, the trend is increasing , dont think its a bad thing, i think women are becoming less interested in dating and more power to them
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 12:00 PM
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how are they blaming women, and why do you think they haven't tried the old fashion way
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 11:58 AM
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i have , the problem is not everyone has these role models one, and two people are looking for the best and most optimal way to success and how those pathways lead, unfortunately , while the manosphere doesnt have the answers, the people countering it also dont, or else they would have more of an influence on men, especially young men than the manosphere, young men might be impressionable but why are they more impressionable to the manosphere compared to your alternatives
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 11:49 AM
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so why bring it as a point
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 08:10 AM
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I am not looking for an excuse to be regressive, I am saying both sides are still regressive only one side is honest about it, the others claims to not be but their actions don't show it Both parties are trying to force it one is claiming to be better about, the other one is more descriptive about the current situation Women are very much more socially ( By social support , i mean they are afforded more social safety nets ) supported than men so while they are held accountable based on competenc…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 07:59 AM
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Abortion doesn’t inherently benefit men directly or indirectly, as their roles in abortion haven’t changed; it’s still the woman’s choice. Whether abortion is legal or illegal, it doesn’t affect men as individuals; it doesn't change the gender role of men. If she does not have an abortion despite my wishes, I can’t do anything; if she chooses to have one despite my wishes, I also can’t do anything. From a gender equality perspective, abortion changes nothing for men specifically, only indirectly…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:26 AM
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I’m not against scrutiny; I’m against bad faith scrutiny, which made up most of it when it came to men’s issues. the incel school shooter idea is one the biggest example, people made it seem like there were legions of men killing people because they couldnt get laid and its not even up to 20 in the last 15 years, if you want strong and sensible voices but even they will acknowledge that the manosphere isnt all bad, Dr,k Claimed this Aba and preach claimed this, that there are truths to it and yo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/26 01:16 AM
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A bit is not enough, and it’s not all due to feminism. There’s also the fact that the impact on women hasn’t really changed the expectations for men much. Women earning money doesn’t mean they don’t still expect men to earn as well, they expect both. Many still hold strong traditional expectations for men, including feminists. While sharing childcare responsibilities more is a positive change, men are still more likely to be the breadwinners and have increased the time they spend in their childr…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:12 AM
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the left panders by supporting policies, attitude changes and social norm changes that support women specifically , they are usually comprised of feminist, LGBTQ e.t.c , and they discuss issues and align with issues within that voter based, they are pro progressive in nature, thats how they pander to women, they align with the feminist movement or are supported by it , i dont know how feminity is enforced on women and thats not the conversation, i do however know that expectations on being a man…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 12:53 AM
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they didnt take the term, red pill means opening your eyes to the truth, its similar to being woke, they just use it in terms of dating and masculinity , whether they are right or wrong is dependent on the situation
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/26 12:19 AM
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I don’t, but even when there were less controversial figures with less controversial messages, they gave the same criticism and didn’t offer an alternative message that aligned with their views. Jordan Peterson is a good example, he used to one of the biggest names in men’s issues, even indirectly, alongside Joe Rogan, long before the red pill crowd. They’re not perfect, but they’re not as toxic as red pilers either, yet they still faced heavy criticism, even when their takes on men were constru…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/06/26 12:17 AM
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i didnt say that they are advocating for matriachy, i said even in a matriachy a true one , there is a high chance mens role will not change even if they arent the ones in charge, the idea that feminism can solve everyones problems including men isnt even something, feminists universally agree is possible because even they like to acknowledge that men should solve their issues themselves, they have not demonstrated their competence when it comes to changing the roles of men or even addressing ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 09:59 PM
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i dont think the Manosphere is thriving but I don't think the left would ever capture men unless they show they actually value men as men . the reason the right will more likely capture men is because the rights view of masculinity is more consistent with how its actually enforced and observed by both genders and both political parties, whether they meet those expectations is a different story but they are right on how its enforced so they provide a more consistent worldview with what they preac…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 09:55 PM
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it is not , it can occur in any form of society even matriachy, you assumption is that men would not be subjected to this expectation outside of patriachy , the problem is in almost every society even matrilenail society where women held inheritance rights and other forms of power, this expectation was still put on men, you are under the assumption that if patriachy is dismantled, men would be valued simply for being human, we dont know this to be true, gender expectation will always exist wheth…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 09:39 PM
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none of these things are unique to patriachy and there is no proof that removing means men would still be valued
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 09:32 PM
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the problem is toxic masculinity is not unqiue to patriachy , 2nd you assume removing the patriachy means that those expectations would be removes or that things would objectively be better for men, we dont know this
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 09:29 PM
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what is the alternative
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 09:28 PM
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not really they didnt call themselves that , people just lump anyone who talks about men issues as manosphere and then label them as toxic, are there toxic people there yes, are they all toxic no, Dr k is labeled as a manosphere and he isnt roxic , hell he discusses women issues sometimes
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/06/26 09:22 PM
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You do know they aren't out right forcing men to listen to them, they are just validating their experience and offering advice, they might be taken advantage of it but like it just goes to show that maybe they are better at reaching out to men than other groups that claim they are toxic, it's not hard to pull men out of the manosphere no one cares enough to do it
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/06/26 07:46 PM
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I didn't say feminist women believe that i said even in places with feminist values and women's health taken the most seriously and significantly less safety concerns like Finland or Sweden or other Scandinavian countries, they are having less or even no children, the 4B movement using it to bargain is not a realisitic deal even if their demands were met, there is no proof they would start having kids more , or hell that they would increase interactions with men ,have sex or get married more, in…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 05:45 PM
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Ok
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 02:58 PM
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Lol you assume Only stacies have this demand
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 02:51 PM
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Oh I agree just saying why the complaint exists Edit : there are more failed dates than successful dates
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 02:47 PM
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Yes they do
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 02:23 PM
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No one but that's why the complain it's made because if they go or offer less dates it shouldn't lead to complaints that men are being low effor unfortunately a lot of women make that complaint
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 02:12 PM
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Doesn't mean he is a better catch
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 02:01 PM
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it's not about being financially secure its about going on multiple failed dates and spending 75 dollars every time that's a waste of money that could be spent on other venture that would absolutely succeed. also even if it's small doesn't make it worth it and complaining doesn't make me not financial secure even for small expenses I can want to reduce them and complain when the value recieved is less than what I am spending
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 02:00 PM
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Because they are the ones losing money and not getting much from it , if they weren't losing money they wouldn't complain
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 01:36 PM
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Fair enough but again you are utilising a straw man but for the sake of the argument they don't need to be the ones raising the children , other people or even men can do that and yes while working As for 4B not giving birth is not unique to 4B , birth rates is reducing even in countries where demands are met and violence against women is the lowest, hell feminist values are championes the idea that women are choosing not to give birth because men are harming them isn't consistent with research …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 01:35 PM
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Well for you sure but like men who are easily agreeable aren't always seen as the most attractive, not saying it can't be attractive but if being agreeable led to success same with paying for dates more men would pay for dates
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 01:33 PM
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Ok not paying for dates doesn't indicate lack of interest it might indicate low agreeableness but that's a neutral quality not necessarily a bad one, how it translate to selfishness also doesn't track because I can pay for dates doesn't mean I am less selfish in other areas
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 01:25 PM
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Good for you, why make this post
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 01:22 PM
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I don't know about lack of interest but low agreeableness is necessarily a good trait or even an unattractive trait so I don't really see the con Paying for a date also doesnt show this because, the motive actually shown , a man doing this doesn't translate to actually less selfish and less self sacrificing qualities
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 01:21 PM
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Then go date them
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 01:19 PM
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Your are arguing with a straw man point and taking it deeper than it should , lesbians having higher dv doesn't make women the problem by default because lesbain relationship are a different dynamic. Relationship issue are fundamentally different from being a bad parent, you can be a shitty partner and a excellent parent they aren't always mutually exclusive The 4B movement doesn't want to end the cycle, they are choosing not to engage to bargain not because they actually don't want to be with m…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 01:18 PM
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They are already splitting the bill more or well going on less dates , the reason why it was complained about was because it wad a societal norm that was once enforced, it's not anymore, the reason it was big deal was because it was backed up by a reason, that reason doesn't exist anymore but a lot of women I would argue most women still prefer that norm, some even complain when men want to slipt the bill ,tthe complaint makes sense now because the conversion of dates to relationship is now lowe…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 11:13 AM
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You do know that's not how it works right
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 05:33 AM
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Define mediocre in this regard
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 05:32 AM
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It's not about feeling better I am saying game iisnt about having these traits
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 05:31 AM
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You know what fair correct
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 10:30 PM
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not to my argument, no, it wasn't implied whether she knew or not, the point is that, if she was diagonsed she had to have caught it before finally dating and marrying Forrest
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 10:18 PM
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i disagree with your argument on why, its not so much that these women are being picked but more so that they are trying to attract any woman, they are seeing any woman as success because they generally don't get women in abundance like at all, that's why the argument is bad, its not that they don't want to pick someone else, its that woman in question is their option, the better advice is to say they should prefer being single because that's an objectively bad partner
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 09:40 PM
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honestly cant say
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 09:25 PM
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yeah , i think morally judging someone for not getting dates is wrong ,unless the person is openly antagonistic in general, I don't buy that its due to thier morals or emotional state
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 09:24 PM
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Having those traits doesnt make them inherently displayable
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 09:03 PM
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Communicating fr this kind of aspect is like putting on a performance, where you display traits that are appealing. However, attractive characteristics are neutral and not necessarily good qualities or triats.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 08:57 PM
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The problem is that this is more of a performance than actually having those traits
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 08:55 PM
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I’m not blue-pilled, but even when women can’t find a partner, I don’t think there’s some deep underlying reason. Maybe they just don’t put themselves out there, but I don’t believe it’s due to emotional instability or an ideological issue. For some, it might come down to looks , , but I don’t really buy that either, since men have a wide range of preferences when it comes to who they date or sleep with. I feel the same way about men who struggle to find a partner , sometimes things just don’t w…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 08:53 PM
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that too
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 08:45 PM
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Whether it's their child is irrelevant, she can only get HIV before being with Forrest, not after
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 08:44 PM
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i am not speaking on trauma, i am saying trauma is different from mental impairment because its manifestation is dependent on the individual. Mental impairment is more consistent on a broad level
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 08:43 PM
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opkok i never said all women did, its enough to consider
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 03:59 PM
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the only thing that makes men specifically unique is reproduction just like women, nothing else, but in terms of benefit to society, simple, they contribute to the functioning of society just like women, they also work, they also pay tax, they also come up with ideas that better society, they also are willing to do dirty work, the idea that women provide a unique outside of reproduction isnt true this also applies to men
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 03:51 PM
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You are just giving reason why you don't think they should do this, a lot of women do this
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:58 PM
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Really provide examples
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:53 PM
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No I don't think they get that far regardless, a lot of guys don't bring up sex but it doesn't lead to anywhere they get ghosted, they don't get responsed, it's not because they bring up sex, some even get fake numbers e.t.c
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:51 PM
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Fair enough but I don't think. Most men get that far to make this generalisation
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:47 PM
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i disagree, most dude dont get that far
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:26 PM
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Usually, it doesn’t work out like that, so they settle for sex. If men could form the connection first, they would.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 01:27 PM
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yeah sure, , i am not griping that the movie did him dirty, thats just my opinion of the movie
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 01:22 PM
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ok
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 01:21 PM
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Trauma does not inherently impair one's ability to understand or make decisions; rather, mental impairment affects these cognitive functions. While experience, including trauma, can influence behavior, it is different from mental impairment, which poses a greater challenge to decision-making capacity from birth, unlike trauma which is a result of experience. i dont have to accept how she is portrayed, but like even i were to accept it , it doesn't mean she is supposed to be viewed in a positive …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 01:20 PM
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He is a better person than Jenny, and he deserves better, yes, but again this is my judgment of the movie character , i am not enforcing it , i am explaining why i am not a big fan of the Jenny character, because it is in context to the post
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 01:04 PM
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what she should have done is not my concern, i am saying that her behaviour in general isnt likeable. That's why she is unlikeable, and whether Forrest should be seen as competent isn't the point of my comment, my comment is mainly that, if jenny was a dude and Forrest was a woman, there would be very little charity given to Jenny
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 01:03 PM
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This isn't an unrealistic outcome; also, it's not about me or what i think should happen, SURE, but it doesn't absolve it from criticism, and it doesn't make my criticism invalid, whether a bunch of women are lining up to date Forrest doesn't make him less deserving of a better relationship, There are women who are better than Jenny, who would treat forrest better than jenny if he met them , and i think he deserves better than Jenny. Him liking the situation doesn't make the situation objectivel…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 12:59 PM
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Most men feel like she friendzoned him. My reply to you was of course the girl was not attracted to the village idiot no matter how sweet he was. That’s why she treated him as a friend. She adored him as a person. Not a lover. And that sucks for Forest. But that’s life. And he persevered and got over it and lived a fuller life than her. Why are you acting like the movie showed her “winning”???? i am not acting like the movie showed her winning, i against the idea that Forrest being devoted to he…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 12:45 PM
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you can still be mentally impaired regardless of IQ , the point is that he had a mental disability; he was mentally impaired
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 12:13 PM
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My argument is simple: the reason people, especially men, dislike Jenny isn’t just because she makes bad decisions but because Forrest is mentally impaired. Regardless of genre, the movie portrays her dying of HIV and Forrest raising their son as an emotionally satisfying or even positive ending for Forrest. If Jenny were a man and Forrest a woman, he would face far more scrutiny and receive less sympathy from fans. In that case, people would recognize the power imbalance, and some might even se…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 12:06 PM
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How I know you are being dishonest or disingenuous is that biographical drama implies it is highlighting the life of a real person, forest gump is a fictional character, this isn't a biographical drama, and several other sites or well i would say source claim it is a romantic story as well, coming of age can be part of it, but it doesnt disprove my main point , you also aren't actually countering my points on the main relationship EDIT: if you dont think she is morally justified , what are we di…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 11:54 AM
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Forrest Gump (1994) - IMDb Just a moment... these arent the only source that proves wrong, another things is , the genre doesnt disprove my point, you are using genre as a basis to not engage , because you know your argument sucks
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 11:46 AM
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thats kind of the point, reverse the roles and keep the same plot and premise, he would be seen as morally reprehensible
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 11:38 AM
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No, it’s a romance, that’s the genre of the movie. I’m not saying she has a motive, but her actions aren’t always kind to Forrest, and a fully grown, mentally capable man would notice the red flags. She’s lucky it’s Forrest, and she’s given way too much leeway for her bad decisions. Whether she was nice to him as a kid isn’t the point , the point is that she increasingly makes choices that should hurt Forrest, yet he sticks by her not because she deserves it, even though that’s how the movie fra…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 11:26 AM
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there is such a thing as kindness with motive, the 2nd issue is that the movie is potrayed as romance edit: i made the kind with motive reply because you are her giving too much benefit of the doubt simply because she was kind to a disabled person, thats not basis for why her future bad decisions should be tolerated
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 11:17 AM
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Aside from the fact that he is portrayed as mentally disabled , i read it online that the character was supposed to be portrayed as such, doesn't change my point thou
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 11:15 AM
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Exactly, she actually doesnt get enough hate, in fact, she gets more sympathy than Forrest
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 11:13 AM
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I call BS, there are lots of women who have no issues going on a date with someone they would never actually date but because he asked her out, women can take advantage of situations too
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 09:11 AM
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That's a different context, I am saying unless intention was made clear then sure that's wrong, in a date intention is made clear by default, sex is not the same thing as a date
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 09:10 AM
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You are correct, I am saying the dating context isn't required for sex, the dating context is required for a date, if she is sleeping with a man she would date, she isn't being used, she is sleeping with him thinking that sex should establish a relationship or a relationship is already established. I am saying she isn't being used, men are being used for money because the man is the only one losing money, sex requires both parties to consent meaning she wants the sex as well and she is getting s…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 07:55 AM
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Not really forest had a mental disability, Jenny doesn't, she might have a mental disorder due to trauma but that can be worked on with therapy, Forrest is authisic and has an IQ of 75 , the power imbalance is in her favour edit: they arent even holding her as accountable, she gets way more sympathy than forrest would get if it was the other way around
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 07:00 AM
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The irony is that , it's an accurate summary of the movie
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 06:25 AM
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It's not about impossible, it's that it's harder to establish interest just like that , something not being impossible doesn't mean the alternative isn't better or easier and in this case quick and straightforward seems to be
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 06:15 AM
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Another issuse is that the movie frames her as a woman who has just been dealt a bad hand and Forrest is trying to save, the problem is out side the framing every thing she did was her choice and then she choose to come back to Forrest when she got HIV that's BS, they also frame it as a love story, if being friend zone was the only issue then like okay, it's just a bad situation for both parties, the movies frames it as just a bad situation for Jenny and then she only comes back because she has …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 06:13 AM
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You go on the date knowing you aren't interested in the guy, that's shitty, having sex with someone ,you wouldn't date isn't
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 06:08 AM
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The issue isn't just Jenny, Forrest Gump is mentally impaired that's why she gets a lot of hate, if Jenny was a man he would probably get more hate now because it would be seen as predatory
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 06:02 AM
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It's not taboo, they rarely get the chance to form the emotional connection first, if forming the emotional connection was easy they would do that first
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 06:00 AM
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How do you use someone for sex
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 05:33 AM
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You know what you are right, my problem is that when men don't ask women out, women claim that the guy doesn't like them enough even thou it's the same logic they aren't taking the initiative they believe men should take
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 05:32 AM
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You are right this is why dudes are dating less
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 05:30 AM
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I don't understand
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 05:26 AM
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That's not wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 07:31 PM
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The reason I don’t place much blame on men for hookup culture is simple: most men aren’t engaging in it. The women who are involved aren’t getting hurt because the men did something wrong; they are getting hurt because they expect emotional intimacy when the agreement is purely physical. If they were being forced, that’s wrong, and the responsibility falls on men. But if you’re not forced and still not getting what you want from hookups, the issue lies with you, not culture. Men wanting to take …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 05:57 PM
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It need both parties to participate
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 05:36 PM
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That doesn't mean they are the ones pushing it down their throats
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 10:14 AM
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It doesn't mean their judgment is because I all fairness they always have the same conclusion
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 12:35 AM
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Wait based on what factor
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 12:34 AM
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Currently It's not men shoving it down their throats
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 12:33 AM
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Having the ability ti be single doesn't improve dating quality
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 12:09 AM
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What is this about, there doesn't seem to be a clear point
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 12:08 AM
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Doesn't change my point
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 12:06 AM
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It doesn't them having the choice to be single doesn't make dating better
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 03:29 PM
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Exactly it's a seperate things so why is that part of the discussion
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 03:23 PM
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The option to be single is not a dating option
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 03:11 PM
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More options in dating not more options In life you can pick either dating or being single not dating someone and dating another person
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 02:24 PM
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That creates more option, thats not dating better
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 07:20 AM
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I saying it's projection Edit : another thing is people don't like their vices used for money
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 12:08 AM
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Because they are not just selling porn but also intimacy, it's not about immorality but more so about selling intimacy
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 11:52 PM
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Sure
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 11:30 PM
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They arent choosing between being single and not single, they choosing between being single and not being in an unfulfilling relationship, thats their again, they arent doing it because they want to, if they wanted to be single completely , that a different case, this isnt why women arent dating
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:43 PM
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being anti porn is more anti sex but the way they go about it is more anti men, in cases where crime is commited i get that, but they are against male centered porn in general for no real moral reason
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:55 PM
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i can understand if there was actual harm, but they also hate in only fans and animated fiction, oversaturation is not a moral failing
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:53 PM
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That's not dating being better; that's just being comfortable with being single. Dating being better means you are getting into relationships easier, and you are enjoying it , it also means you are enjoying the act of dating. Most of these people don't like dating due to issue, they are single not because they like it , they just prefer it to the alternative, they arent getting it all, they are settling
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:52 PM
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How is dating better for women, there are getting more single, entering less relationship, if dating was better , they would getting into more relationships and having more fun dating, they arent
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:49 PM
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ok but how does this translate to dating being better
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:48 PM
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Its only a contradiction if watching or in fact , outright seeking alternative sexual gratification wasnt something men were openly mocked for by both men and women, hell most women wouldn't want to date or even respect a guy who subs to only fans much less watch porn, they even have issue with someone following Instagram models , its not a contradiction because these people dont assume they are better, they dont like that they watch porn, its literally called a vice for a reason, thats why its …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:06 AM
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I don't think watching g porn makes you indecent being indecent is what makes you indecent
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 12:26 PM
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In us sure but in most places no and even then, most pregnant women aren't murdered
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 12:24 PM
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Not really I believe the same for men, observation is what the red pill uses
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 08:32 PM
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No just observation is better than what the person actually says
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 07:52 PM
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They do , I am saying women aren't reliable narrators when it comes to how they behave towards men
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 06:56 PM
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I personally don't care
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 06:54 PM
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You don't have to cut them from your life but romantic interaction with them isnr complusory anymore
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 06:51 PM
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Men do not have to approach because romance isn't a complusory for living life any more, if you like someone approach if someone likes you, they should approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 06:50 PM
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No they gauge it based on the results of other men, knowing how women make decisions doesn't necessarily mean that information has to come from women, it comes from observation of women, someone saying something doesn't mean that's what they will do
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 06:48 PM
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No but like why would it consider women's experiences it's not about women
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 06:45 PM
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Why would it center women's experiences it's not about women , it's about how men experience women, it's about helping men
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/26 06:42 PM
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I was giving my reason why I don't agree with that explanation that's its simply patriarchy thays why I mentioned that it's not unique , social norms can reinforce it, but what I am saying patriarchy seems like more of a layer or a factor rather than the main reason or the cause of men withholding emotional vulnerability
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 11:54 PM
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How is that confirmation of patriarchy if it applies to every society across the board, from patriarchal to equal, and even to societies where men don’t hold the majority of political power or lineage? That feels like a lazy argument , “it’s just patriarchy” is doing a lot of heavy lifting.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 10:51 PM
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i think it's a poor explanation to remove criticism from society, because it doesn't explain why it exists in other societies even feminist societies, and I don't think it is a fair explanation anymore, because it's becoming less ingrained for others, but this expectation exists regardless and its applied by everyone, even people not following gender norms and I haven't seen that decreasing
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 10:49 PM
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It’s not that it isn’t a norm, but the norm isn’t unique to patriarchy; it’s a general societal norm that can exist in any society. You’re claiming it exists uniquely in patriarchy, but it doesn’t. Captains don’t just exist in sports, and that doesn’t make it a sports-specific norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 10:32 PM
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A matriarchy is a system where women hold primary power over men, but historically, this hasn’t happened largely due to biological and social factors. Women faced challenges like menstrual pain, lack of birth control, high infant mortality rates, and high pregnancy-related deaths until modern medicine changed that and In the past, much work was physically demanding, unlike today’s office-based jobs, it wss more manual labor which was better suited to men, generally due to their greater physical …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 10:30 PM
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for you to claim its a ptriachal norm, it has to be unique to patriachy, it is not
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 10:20 PM
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No true matriachy exists because for that to occur women have to be physically able to dominate men, but matrilineal societies and even feminist societies like finland exists and men still overpresent in high risk jobs, security and military 1) Minangkabau society Largest matrilineal society in the world. Property and lineage pass through women. Women typically control rice fields and family houses. Men still dominate high-risk work, especially: Long-distance migration (“merantau”) for work Cons…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 10:11 PM
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I’m not saying it can’t be part of patriarchy; I’m saying there’s no kind of society, even one where women hold more authoritative power than men, where men aren’t still the majority in high-risk, high-security, and resource-gathering roles. Patriarchy can adopt this idea, but it didn’t originate there, and they’re not the only ones who have done it or could amplify it. If anything, it makes more sense for it to cause patriarchy rather than patriarchy causing male disposability.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 10:06 PM
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No, it’s not. In every society, even in matriarchal ones, men have been overrepresented in high-security and high-risk jobs, and they’ve often been judged more on their usefulness than their inherent humanity. That’s what leads to this mentality; it’s not unique to patriarchy. The only reason you might think so is that you believe gender roles are exclusive to patriarchy, but they’re not.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 09:51 PM
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i think you are right, but not because i think the patriarchy doesn't teach these things, but this behaviour isn't unique to patriarchy, in general, almost every form of society not just patriarchal, men have always been considered the more disposable sex. for you to feel like you can be emotionally vulnerable, your emotions have to kind of be valued or taken seriously by society regardless. and honestly i have yet to see a society that actually values men as a group beyond their usefulness to t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 09:40 PM
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this isnt a patriachal school of life, its not unique to patriachal
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 09:30 PM
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cant really call it patriachal norm , this can happen in any society, the idea that the society has to allow men dominate for it to disregard their feelings is an assumption, there is proof that this same dispoable expectation existed in non patriachal societies
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 09:29 PM
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If listening to women worked as well as you claim, redpillers wouldn’t exist. The issue is that you want someone who makes you feel safe and heard, but that’s all based on perception, not on what the guy is actually doing. A guy can do all the wrong things in terms of actions, but if you perceive those actions as good, you’ll still feel that way about him. Red pill focuses on what they see as observable; they might overgeneralize or have a limited scope, but their observations aren’t usually wro…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 06:54 PM
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i read the article , just didnt like the title, everyone is struggling to adapt, as for the things you mention it doesn't really disprove my point , the idea is that men are still need, child support is one of it , even the draft , men arent the only ones voting for it , in most countries that have it , it is voted for by the people and women also vote for it
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/06/26 06:40 PM
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This sub isn't most people or even most men
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:19 PM
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Individually no they dont
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:16 PM
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Very very few men blame the male loneliness epidemic on women
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:15 PM
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first of all wealth and power are not the same things, 2nd leadership is not the only level of society, and its not the only form of power ; access to things is also another form of power 2nd of all, the fact that you used a stat involving race proves my point that they aren't uniform. Black men are poorer than white women, according to your study, if being a man was the main basis, not being white should be secondary. It also shows that women have surpassed some men, not the top men, but it was…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 03:05 PM
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Provide sources that they hold the majority of wealth and power in all levels of society and areas of society, because this is factually false. In education and healthcare, they do not, in recieving social services they do not receive the most social services. Even in terms of priority in harm reduction for men, this is not always true edit: if you want to judge them as a group, you can do that, but as a group, they aren't uniform, and even in then the criteria you using is going on a false prem…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:39 PM
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Aiding a group when they are struggling is not a benefit unique to men; we do this for every other group , yes even when it comes relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:26 PM
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i dont think men should get special treatment, you are the one claiming men benefit from society like its something inherent to men , its not, when a group struggle we are usually concerned, regardless of struggle that is my point, this is applys to all from disabled people, to trans people, to men and to women, because they are a part of that society.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:12 PM
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yeah but this isnt unique to men, women are entitled to all of this as well, when you say benefit, and they get it by doing something, working, paying tax or even paying bills, this isnt free, tell me something society gives to men just for being men for free
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:02 PM
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how does the society benefit them specifically, give me the benefits that men get specifically from society
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:56 PM
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individually no , societally yes, you dont have to be part of the solution , but you should absolutely care that this is an issue because men are part of the community or the society , if they made no contributions to society then you wouldnt need to care
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:01 PM
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i am fine with that, thats not the title of the article, and even what is read feels off , men dont need women either , no one is required to go into relationships
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/06/26 03:21 PM
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This is false; it’s because women often have different standards for chores. A guy can spend five cleaning and feel fine about the state of the house. It doesn’t necessarily mean he’s dirty, but he may put less effort into cleaning than women do. That’s why single dads talk about how easy it is to keep things clean not because it’s actually easier, but they have a different standard. I’m not sure if it’s more efficient or just less thorough, but evidence shows men today do more domestic duties t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 03:13 PM
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I’m nice on dates because I genuinely like the person, but I also feel that if you have to convince someone you’re worth it, they don’t truly desire. You can create attraction, sure, but I get what you mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 03:08 PM
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Lol if men arent needed, why ask them to still pay tax and why do you lose your shit when they reduce work or well not work at all, and other things, dont conscript them, they dont need to to vote the politicians you want , since you can outvote them apparently because they arent needed right , they dont need to stand up for your right since well they arent needed, if we are talking about just relationship like okay, women arent needed either, no one has to enter a relationship to be fulfilled, …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/06/26 07:37 AM
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https://youtu.be/pfEHQH1RSr0?si=Aod0hXq5BBcqNUmO
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:18 PM
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fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:17 PM
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fair i was talking more about in person approaches
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:16 PM
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i saw a guardian post where, people were talkinga bout men not approaching anymore , but it was youtube video talking the dating Crisis, and there are other videos online, they listed it as one of the reasons for dating crisis
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:15 PM
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fair enough
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:12 PM
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some people are
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:11 PM
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I have found that alot of people think that when men reduce approaching it , its usaally based on fear or that maybe they are overreacting to approach anxiety, and a lot of people think that they are being paranoid but like functionally, it should reduce if the requirements increase
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:06 PM
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inherently no, they didnt come from the redpill, these were things people were already doing
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 03:11 PM
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These aren't really redpill tactics, everything you mentioned are things women also do
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 02:25 PM
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i am not saying give up, but that alternative is bad only from one perspective
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 08:44 PM
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ladies of the night are not only illegal in most places, its socially unacceptable for you to want them, so the con of getting them out weigh the pro , they also are very promiscious meaning prob STDs and a lot of them who do them arent neccessarily trust worthy so
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 07:05 PM
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because most guys are decent, being decent isnt what makes you attractive, its just you can be decent and attractive, the problem is that it assumes most men generally arent decent thats not true
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 01:54 PM
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i said major road blocks meaning there is levels to it , being short is more likely to impact your dating life than being misogynistic, because being short is more observable than being misogynitic
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 01:40 PM
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Those are different; they’re physical traits. Misogyny isn’t always visible because it’s not a personality trait; it’s an idea of how you see women, and it’s not always clear-cut. You can believe in abortion but still think a woman should cook and clean, and it doesn’t always diminish charisma if you hide it. Sometimes you don’t even need to hide it, as your other traits can outshine it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 01:35 PM
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No, not really. There are a lot of misogynistic people who achieve success. Can it a drawback? Yes. Is it always? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 01:26 PM
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Yeah, there are blue pillers in this sub too, and there’s no real way to measure if red pillers actually find success or failure in dating. They might be misogynistic, but misogyny isn’t a major roadblock to dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 01:18 PM
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not a red Piller, but we dont know this to be true
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 06:14 AM
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Being hot or rich, hell even watching porn doesn’t mean lacking morals, beliefs, ethics, or character. It’s not that men don’t think women value those traits, but those qualities don’t necessarily create attraction. They become important once you actually and are interested in the person; you don’t know them before you’re attracted, you learn about them after.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 06:06 AM
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Yes, you are picking and choosing in this argument. Morally good, good quality, and good actions aren’t mutually exclusive, but they are also separate. You can be a serial killer and still be a good father, BTK is an example; he killed people, but he was not a terrible father to his daughter. Even in qualities mentioned in this argument , you pick and choose, someone can be generous yet still rude to others. And even then, it’s can be perception based , it’s because you experience it, not becaus…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 05:47 AM
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not really the point thou, i am just saying powerful is morally neutral , you can like someone who is powerful, doesnt make them a good person edit: doesn't make them a good person automatically
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 05:30 AM
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Men who take risks are adventurous and gutsy, but they can also be the same people who beat someone up or verbally and physically abuse women. Saying nobody wants to like these people is a better statement, though it doesn’t they can’t be liked. edit: what i am saying it risks taking, adventurous and gusty are morally neutral qualities
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 04:41 AM
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Powerful is morally neutral, though; it doesn't make them morally good either
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 04:38 AM
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The body itself makes that argument On top of that, those men are never judged by their good qualities. They’re only held to their presumed bad qualities. So it becomes “he’s an asshole but he’s an active father, doesn’t get angry with her, and helps feed the hungry.” I’m being a bit facetious for the sake of the example but you get the point. these are perception based, you can only know this based on actions and outcomes not morally, having good qualities doesn't make you good, its a collectio…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 04:22 AM
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The problem is that your title suggests you can be sexually attractive because you’re good, but from what you’ve written in this reply, it leans toward the idea that you can be a good person and also be sexually attractive. They’re not mutually exclusive, they are separate factors that can exist together and also exist separately from each other on its own . edit: Actually, you agree with me more than you think. It’s all about perception—what you consider good may be different My question is, wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 03:54 AM
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This argument relies on a false premise that being good or bad is what makes you sexually attractive, that's not true, competence and perception is what makes you sexually attractive, good or bad is determined by how your actions affect others not by how people view you, meaning that the actions taken regardless of intent affects people positively is what should make you good perception however is different . you can be horrible to everyone in your path but because you are successful that can wr…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 03:28 AM
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It can be, the nice, respected and caring is something that gets shown when they know, in retrospect , people like pretending they don't associate thay with appearance, you can't really always tell these traits from one meeting and the irony is that even in situation where the person is these things and does nothing wrong in the end it's based on the perception of who is being approached not who is approaching
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 02:15 AM
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That's because they are told to take the chance regardless, less men are doing it now so good
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 02:12 AM
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Ok
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 04:31 PM
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Is that the point I thought the point was range of who to pursue
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 03:32 PM
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Everyone has this but in your case this only matters when it someone you already love, men are more willing to settle, women arent but they also don't get that if you like someone, they are the ones to dictates the terms not you, you are already chosen you just want to be chosen by a specific man and you forget that it's up to you to meet his standard not the other way around, he already meets yours,
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 06:03 AM
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Apologies when I say mind I meant most women women don't care to be approached, some might be open to it but they aren't seeking being approached , meaning if you don't like it or even want it, its makes no sense to complain that it doesn't happen to you unless you put in effort or that men are picky, they aren't, you just aren't approachable because you don't want to be and yes even for relationships, whyarey women complaining about men being picky when it's more so that they don't want men to …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 05:47 AM
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Yeah but like it's not as if most women like the attention
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 05:36 AM
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both
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 10:18 PM
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This doesn’t really align with the data, and considering that most women don’t mind being approached, even by average men tend to date poor women more often than women date poor men. They also date women who aren’t conventionally attractive with fewer caveats. People generally date their age range. As for men who avoid dating women with kids, it’s more complicated since there’s a third party involved who often more lasting presence than the man, and the cost of a failed relationship involving ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 10:04 PM
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yeah but this has nothing to do with men pursuing only the top level women thou
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:57 PM
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that means you can get attention from men , you dont want to get approached
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 09:52 PM
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Yeah but they are usually passive in the initiative, they aren't trying to get attention, if put in effort, they would get approached
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 08:42 PM
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True but this assert that they want the attention, we don't know this
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 08:36 PM
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I don't know about modern feminism but I would misandry is playing a huge part in it
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 08:29 PM
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Addressing them doesn't remove the truama, and prevention isn't always perfect
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 08:27 PM
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It's projection, you are right not because of just the things you listed but because most women don't know how to get the attention of the men they like, they act to passive in dating to make the assertion that they aren't getting picked, if they were as active in the initiation of approaches then maybe but they aren't, even the things they consider as hints are very vague, I don't buy this idea that men are going for the attractive women for that reason and for the fact that most women aren't a…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 08:19 PM
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Ok
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 02:20 PM
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it can , maybe i am wrong so there is no way to tell those women unless they show their true character eventually, then you then are able to determine what constitute as red flags
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 02:17 PM
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its not unless its a date it doesnt count, but usually thats when you notice red flags i can tell if someone is insufferable by just talking to them, but people pretend, sometimes we dont talk enough before the date, a date is a way to guage seriously and the persons personality outside of like text how does this debunk my point
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 02:11 PM
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aside from money
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 02:07 PM
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If you’re meeting someone for the first time, unless you already know them well and have communicated with them for a considerable of time, you really can’t tell much. A date is one of the best ways to get a sense of someone’s character; even through their texts, it's not always shown. Plus, it’s not like women share their dating history right away; people tend to curate how they present themselves until they feel comfortable.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 02:04 PM
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Okay, I’ll answer your question. Everyone is different, and it’s not the situation that is supposed to be unique, its my response to it that is unqiue. I’m not imagining a different scenario; I’m more focused on picturing my own reaction to the same one and you cant really know how you would react unless you are in it , or about to be in the situation. I wouldn't know they were insufferable unless i went on the date, thats the point , no one knows why they are attractive, you are the one assumin…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:57 PM
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I can understand that someone might be in an abusive relationship and I can recognize examples, but until I experience it myself, I can’t know how bad it would be for me, everyone’s threshold is different. This applies not just to abusive relationships, but to relationships in general. If I haven’t hooked up,i can’t determine if hooking up is bad for me or not. The same goes for friends with benefits, situationships, and relationships overall,if I haven’t been in one or multiple , I have no pers…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:49 PM
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has she now , wow
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:36 PM
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i cant answer that for dating because there is no reference point , i have to first experience a bad partner to decide if thats what i would prefer you are right and they did, thats why they don't agree that being kind is good dating advice, because it has nothing to do with dating
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:32 PM
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Some women claim that being a good person leads to positive dating outcomes, but’s not always that simple or accurate. The reality is more complex, and many men have noticed this. Even misogyny doesn’t entirely some men from finding dating success.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:28 PM
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They can be shallow, they can be stupid, and they can have untreated trauma. If those are the types of women you guys want, just be honest the men wouldnt know that , they arent getting attention from any woman to determine who is who There it is. That demand for a reward for basic decency. Reward is different from result, reward is good outcome. There aren't receiving any outcome whether good or bad, their dating hasnt improved or gotten worse, its the same , nothing is happening from them bein…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:25 PM
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You’re not getting it; they are still getting attention from women, and whether those women are good or not isn’t the point. The men who are complaining don’t receive any attraction from any woman, even when they’re kind or nice. If they were getting attention but it was negative, that would be one thing; they’re not receiving any attention at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:16 PM
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not the point, firstly you assume they have to selfish to be attracted to bad men Secondly, the main idea is simple: women aren’t always attracted just because a man is good to them. If the advice to men is that treating a woman right will make her like them, it should lead to results. If doesn’t, then why is that the advice? Whether the woman is a good partner isn’t the point; the focus is on getting any woman to show attraction, not a specific one. Many men struggle to get any female attention…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:14 PM
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you are missing the point, the issue isn’t whether women are okay with jerks, but that you’re generalizing the idea that being a good person is attractive to women overall . If that were true, no bad person would ever receive any kind of attention or success with women, someone who’s misogynistic. We know that’s not the case. The real question is whether being sought after by women makes someone a good person. It doesn’t. Women can be drawn to terrible individuals too, so the idea that being a g…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:06 PM
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I don’t care whether women are okay with jerks; I’m saying that a video of a guy on a dating show isn’t proof that, in real life, women don’t find him attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:59 PM
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i would like to hear this
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:56 PM
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Even if you’re genuinely nice, it doesn’t always lead to good relationships. A lot of women are genuinely kind; some men still won’t commit to them AND Outright say it .
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:52 PM
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doesnt mean he doesnt get women outside the dating show, there are several women who are transphobic
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:43 PM
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i expect society in general to deal with the mess
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 02:15 AM
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Aren't you guys against those communities?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 02:13 AM
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i dont know about protection but guidance, they should still be held accountable but their problems should still be addressed with empathy when brought up, even if toxic , look for ways to address it and guide them to a better part, , i can't say they are discriminated against but like they should receive help, this isn't even about pity, but more so based on how progressives want to reframe masculinity and reject gender norms, especially things like toxic masculinity, this is in line with that …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 02:13 AM
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even if it doesn't, it's okay. Find other ways to be fulfilled in this case, i am talking to men, persistence isn't always worth the result
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:31 AM
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I was never for the idea of men not approaching women in general; what I was against was the idea that women in general want men to approach them. There is little to no evidence to support this. If men stopped approaching women today, it wouldn't matter to women; that's my argument, OP is claiming that women want men to approach them, we don't know if that's true, evidence points to the opposite It has to do with fact that men and women wants relationship mostly on the same level. That's what i …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 11:56 PM
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Women less on dating apps because: a) They don't need it, they are approached in real life b) Don't want to make even first step in initiation c) Tired of dickpicks roulette. e) Don't want to have casual sex if they get approached real life then this isnt a real problem then You can speak with women in real life: it's easy to get laid but hard to get any good relationship. The women that speaks in media about how men a bad - are permanently single toxic people that even won't get laid. What does…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 11:37 PM
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There is nothing in this world is guaranteed - economy can collapse, you boss can end up in jail and you will be blacklisted for fraud or person can just fall ill. no if you exercise well , you will get fit , that's a very high probability even if you want to say its not guaranteed , its a very high outcome While relationship has a lot to do with luck - obtaining it or maintaining a good one, it still demands effort to even have a chance. yes and if they dont see the results, its fine for them t…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 10:47 PM
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The problem is, aside from the good salary, because that's not easy to get, those things are guaranteed with effort , and they are a sure deal. There is 100% guarantee that it will objectively improve your life, pay off, and be a success Putting effort into getting a relationship doesn't guarantee a positive result; it increases the probability of getting an opportunity, and even that isn't high, not by a long shot, and even then it doesn't guarantee a good relationship; it can have very good pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 10:11 PM
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Based on my observation of current dating norms, there are very few women complaining about men not approaching them , thats why i dont think its an issue. In fact, there are significantly more complaints about men approaching too much than not approaching at all, in general, Having a preference for men approaching isn't the same as encouraging them to approach; they are just open to it happening, not encouraging it. As for feedback, the feedback agrees with me, and the rejection rate agrees wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:09 PM
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You’re misunderstanding something, it’s not women who expect men to approach them, but men pushing the idea, its also men pushing the idea that men should strive to be in relationships, even thou relationships are now optional , and its makes sense to deprioritize them as men. I’ve come to realize that men not approaching women isn’t really a problem for women overall. Most women don’t care if men don't approach them, and many aren’t actively doing anything to be approached. The same goes for re…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 08:50 PM
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its a need in marriage , the idea of marriage, you dont need to go to a gym to exercise but you need money to pay for a gym
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:12 PM
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humans need water , humans dont need sex, hookers are for fun, they are like drugs , you can pay for drugs, you dont need drugs, but sex is needed in a marriage because a marriage implies meeting commitment , emotional, romantic, and sexual needs, you are changing your requirements
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 05:16 PM
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We can't say the same with hookers, because it's transactional, we pay them for sex, it's also why it's not emotionally fulfilling sex, Those things go hand in hand in a marriage
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 05:12 PM
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commitment, trust, emotional connection and safety, but all of this go hand in hand with sex, again, you can only want to satify your patner if you feel all these, if you dont feel al these you wouldnt want to sexually satisfy your partner, if you have all these and you cant have sex, its either you are a sexual and make that clear before or something is off, if the marraige consist of sex , it should satisfy that need along with the rest, because sex is also emotional , so again if you arent wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 05:07 PM
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You aren't getting sex is important is important to marriage that isn't important, if you don't want sexually satisfy your partner don't get married
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 05:01 PM
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and you dont need marriage or even a relationship its just more structure, you dont need to get married to have kids
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:54 PM
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I agree, I’m saying the moral judgment of that action doesn’t carry weight in this context. You can make it, but the idea that it’s justified to judge men who leave marriages for sex doesn’t hold any weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:52 PM
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Sex isn’t a necessity in general, but it is a need in marriage. Marriage itself isn’t compulsory, so if you don’t want to sexually satisfy your partner, it’s better not to get married. The same idea applies to your situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:51 PM
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its not a need , neither is marriage
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:41 PM
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I wouldn't say spiraling, a relationship can run its course, and sex is important in a relationship, if that part isn't fulfilled, it's perfectly reasonable to leave the relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:39 PM
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yeah, if thats how they framed it then fine
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 03:35 PM
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That’s the point: it’s an alternative, and I’m against alternatives. Honestly, I think unless it’s for about a year after giving birth or if the marriage is dealing with other issues, like a tragedy, if the relationship is otherwise fine but the sexual aspect isn’t, you should express your discomfort. If that’s not acknowledged or taken seriously after some time, you should be allowed to leave the marriage or relationship without facing moral judgment, but it often still carries that stigma spec…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:30 PM
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The issue is that sex is a fundamental part of marriage, and having sex outside of it is considered cheating. There’s also the framing that men only wanting sex is seen as a negative for women, from sex work to hookup culture. Men don’t always connect sex with love, while women often do. Even in hookup culture, it’s framed as something that benefits men, yet if both parties are getting what they want the man seeking sex and the woman perhaps using sex as a way to keep him neither is necessarily …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:02 PM
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Not really required implies forced ni they aren't forced to
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:17 AM
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I don't think they are or should be
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 05:37 AM
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If what I am saying is correct and I haven't actually said something you disagree why do you have beef with my framing, especially considering it hasn't been framed negativily
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 05:36 AM
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Thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 01:20 AM
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Then there is no disagreement
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 01:09 AM
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Simple I don't think the expectations of traditional roles should be forced on anyone, why you think it supposed to be a threat to women implies it's something women see as valuable they don't,
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 01:07 AM
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Ok he is right traditionalism isn't real, does that sound better
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 01:04 AM
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Because he said there is no such thing as traditional men
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 01:01 AM
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Nothing, I just agreed with his point
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:58 AM
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I mean this depends on your relationship soo, but if you want to do that then do that, why are you asking me
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:41 AM
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Maybe you are projecting I don't think women expect men to do this anymore, who cares if men aren't traditional
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:40 AM
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How Edit, how am I trying to take revenge on women
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:27 AM
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Ok women don't have to be the stay at home wife and men don't have time be the bread winners, no problem
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:26 AM
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I agree women don't have to be a stay at home wife and men don't have to be traditional anymore sounds good
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:24 AM
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cant say this is neccessarily true, its reducing in terms of pressure but they still face , i dont know about easier, i would just say different
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:10 PM
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If progressives frame it this way, it doesn’t make sense because they don’t apply the same framing to women. The reality is that society needs to provide benefits and encouragement, and men aren’t seeing that. It’s all incentive-based—bullying only works if meeting the expectation is something they still care about. The less they care, the less it matters, and the less bullying actually does something, and it seems they are caring less and less. It’s not about sulking; it’s about going numb. If …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/26 09:11 PM
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I agree, as long as they aren’t committing a crime or being a nuisance, things like joblessness, homelessness, doing poorly in school, or not wanting to get married aren’t things society forces you to do, but rather encourages and supports you in doing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/05/26 12:25 PM
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It's not even in the site, it's a telegram group
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/26 09:15 AM
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Stop trying to address men's issues from a feminist lens and more from a result oriented and pragmatic lens
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/04/26 01:01 AM
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Lol it's not even true, even in non patriarchal societies men are still considered disposable and it still maintain the toxic masculinity they claim is unique to oatriachy
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/26 06:26 AM
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But to a certain extent some of us who are old would like to see men running their own campaigns and not blaming us. It took a lot for feminists to make the progress they have, some of it is fragile, and we’d prefer a non zero sum game. This happens because feminist tend to protest any male centric solution that have nothing to do with them even when not hostile to them, and they also claim to be for everyone and pro equality they should stop saying and then men would stop expecting help
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/26 09:35 AM
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Check any popular post on Twitter about how men should be in. Prison until Otherwise plus check the twoxchromosones subreddit
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/26 09:18 AM
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I think feminist are good for women , not men thou , I think they view men as the enemy
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/06/25 07:31 AM
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to be clear you are right , she is being reasonable ,i have some disagreements but overall i get where she is coming from
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/06/25 02:06 PM
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wouldnt call it it hate , more so disagreement , they aren't even calling her misandrist
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/06/25 01:42 PM
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this is the issue, reputation can help someone hide evil deeds , heck it applies to even her
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/06/25 07:56 AM
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i think the video is reasonable , i disagree with the idea that they are everywhere or that you have met them or they are your friends, because its about not knowing more so than how common, she herself couldn't tell, its hard to check someone when they know how to hide, and this applies in general, i agree with her in the you shouldn't easily trust people but thats because bad people can use good actions to hide , not because most people are bad even when they act nice
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/06/25 07:55 AM
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The problem is their argument only affects men , they want men to be traditional because they believe that's the best way for men to succeed whether they are right is anyone guess but they is no basis it's patriarchal in itself , the idea of men not being able to get resources being deemed as failure is not just something that exists in the past but exists today and is being reinforced even in feminist communities
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/25 07:14 AM
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The societal requirement that men have money seems like one of the clearest possible indicators of patriarchy. That's why it's dumb the reason why its patriarchal was because men had easier time accessing resources the problem is that we just assume they had they had because they were men not because they worked for it , now they don't have as much as access and ease and they are still as expectation , the expectation making that an indicator of patriarchy because the privilege is what makes it …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/25 06:34 AM
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If it was patriarchal then men would not simply be failures for not having money
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/25 06:13 AM
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Because they view men as the enemy , this isn't even me misunderstanding, the idea of the patriarchy is that men control but as much as they claim it hurts they believe it is men who ultimately created it and they believe it was specifically made to bring down women , And every advocacy they make is more so for the advancement of women than for equality even if it is against the personal interest of some women Edit : not all women hate men , not all feminist hate men but according to their ideol…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/25 09:56 AM
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I can understand red pill deconstructed because ultimately they are not completely absurd some of them have good points and actually highlight real issue there conclusions might be wrong but the problems they highlight aren't
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/25 09:49 AM
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None of these uniquely affect men thou and they aren't things that feminists even focus on mainly , they focus on specific problems caused by this and they focus on sexism aspects not the problem not how this problem affect everyone , its if it's like you are trying to say that men should focus on specific issues that affect men but on issues that affect everyone but this expectation isn't even applied to the feminist movement , if you are going to make this critic then you also have to critic f…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/25 09:43 AM
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None of the things he mentioned uniquely affect men
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/25 09:39 AM
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The issue is that's not usually expressed by feminists publicly
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/25 09:33 AM
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Feminism doesn't equal women thou
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/25 09:09 AM
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the answer is simply, respond to worry one and tell them to fuck off when it comes to worry two, i personally dont care, but if a guy tries his best to avoid non professional interactions with women in the work place and avoids them in public , i would side with him, because i dont care if they think he is weird for not interacting with them, if they want men to be free with them , then they have to fight the narrative that causes men to be wary of them , and i like that men are actually fightin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/01/25 03:07 PM
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Create social environment where men could hang out with each other , male only clubs and events and seminars specifically in schools that encourage comradeory and male friendships
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/25 06:01 AM
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I agree you you on the issues , but I don't agree that the feminism as a movement wants this as a team effort , I don't see it
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/25 02:56 PM
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Feminist don't care about male issues , they care about the advancement of women above all else , you shouldn't be getting expectations from there. If you know there actions prove other wise , yes they like to gaslight that's why you have to call them out on their gaslighting
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/25 02:52 PM
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Which is why I don't think men should care about what feminist says when it comes to men issues or MRAs
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/25 02:49 PM
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it can't be because then it wouldn't be affecting women at equal rate, and they wouldn't be complaining that everyone is focusing on men when it comes to the loneliness crisis
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/25 10:17 AM
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If they were really apprehensive. They would have criticized her when she came up with the idea in the first place
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/24 12:59 PM
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I have not missed your point , I am asking how it has helped out men out , feminism is actually getting more influence and women are doing better and better but male suicide rate has increased , mens mental issues have gotten worse, they are lonelier and they are not only doing worse economical and socially even in the education part they are getting worse , where is the benefit to men , male DV victims havent gotten significantly treated better neither have the rape victims, what things have im…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/11/24 08:15 PM
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Because the goals of feminism and many left wing mens movements are the same in many cases. Getting rid of mens problems often helps women, and getting rid of womens problems often helps men. Very rarely will addressing an actual mens problem set back women, and so you wont get much resistance from feminists when you address mens issues. When have they tried to get rid of men's problems By going against feminism so much you risk alienating the rest of the leftists because women do have issues to…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/11/24 08:04 PM
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You didn't answer my question what is the goal and how does the removal benefit men because so far if men choose to focus solely on self development and only address their issues above all else they would still get back last from feminists , so again what's the goal
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/11/24 07:53 PM
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You are right but men are not the majority of those entering colleges , it's majorly women , you are in highschool how would you know if boys in mass in general are dropping, this is according to stats not me just talking Also women being your friend doesn't make any of what I have said wrong, You believe we should deconstruct gender roles what's the goal of gender roles deconstruction for men and what do you think the benefit is for men
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/11/24 07:12 PM
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It is deliberately ignoring men , I don't think men are a lot less bullied in schools for feminine hobbies but in that case I don't attribute that to feminism more so that things are just changing and there are less boys in school in general , there is no time for boys to be bullying each other
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/11/24 06:54 PM
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Exactly
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/11/24 06:46 PM
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The question which ones leads to the most favourable outcome or successful outcome
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/11/24 06:45 PM
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It depends thou
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/11/24 06:44 PM
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The issues is that you have to change in way that still allows men to succeed and not require women , the thing about feminism is that it's still largely depends on men not going out of their way to help each other and but coming together to help women , it's not just gender roles that cause problems , another question is what is the goal of abolishing gender roles for men
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/11/24 06:13 PM
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I would say abortion , SA , DV feminists have legitimate issues , I just don't trust them when it comes to handling men issues and I don't think they are for equality
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/24 10:17 AM
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Yes
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/09/24 04:46 PM
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Simple , women gave also contributed not just to the abuse of men but women , mainly white women , even some black women should i assign that blame to you as well
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/07/24 03:22 PM
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Thats fair
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/24 11:11 PM
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This isn't really something that they imply outright, but a lot of feminists just have that tendency to act like that. There's this deep conspiracy to market and tailor everything for male use. A great example is the whole shenanigans is the pink tax discussion, while yes, sometimes men's grooming products are much cheaper and therefore more affordable to buy in a bulk setting keep in mind this is usually because men are willing to pay a cheaper price for grooming products considering a lot of m…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/24 08:08 PM
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They can
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/24 05:56 AM
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Its not but they claimed men crrated it and are responsible for it , that is them assigning blame
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/24 05:55 AM
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You're missing the point a bit there. It isn't referring to "men" but "patriarchs"- men who have power over others, in the mold of the Roman paterfamilias. Considering this is supposed to be a "left wing" sub, I'd hope that would be an important distinction. This is still blaming men in the end , because it implies this can only occur based on fact that a man was in control , the statememt patriarchy in feminist terms is used different from how any other group uses it because it used as a villai…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/24 10:53 PM
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Not direcrtly, indirectly but as i said before you are under the assumption that they believe this , they dont , if they did , they would provide equally the same support or resources or at least half of what they do for women they dont , some of them even shunn discoursiona of male issues in university , they dont even t heavily discuss thwse issues in respects to solving them but more as a critic to men and the critic isnt for helping men but educating women and empowering women , they have do…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/24 10:29 PM
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aside from actions the basis of their theories implies that men simply being in charge is based on a strategic and planned effort to subjugate women, and anything that is somehow a benefit to men mainly is a negative even when it has nothing to do with them, they tie into basically anything wrong with the world Take the patriarchy idea, its is mainly deemed as a bad thing because it puts men on the pedestal and harms women and it is mainly blamed on men and not simply a product of the times or e…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/24 10:17 PM
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No abortions , no period pads
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/24 12:07 PM
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They dont , men dont rely on women more than women rely on men emotionally , thats literally the point of toxic masculinity , the idea that men do not try to connect emotionally to any one even their partners , they are the emotional rock even for women , its also why they are the ones whose emotional needs actually take a back seat generally, women also vent to their partners even to the point that it can become toxic , women also use their insecurities as a means to guilt trip their partners a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/01/24 08:50 PM
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I slightly diaagree with that because women also rely on men emotionally , men just tend not to complain about it
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/01/24 08:35 PM
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You are right that seems better to say , also they are insconsistence on the basis of their worth if its the way the phrase
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/23 04:12 PM
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i don't think its wrong to not want to engage in such behaviors or hobbies, you shouldn't judge those who do but the idea that does who don't simply want to are fragile is weird because it implies that they cant just choose not to do something , either way , there is no terrible or negative consequences to doing it
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/23 03:05 PM
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it is true that in some area's men are the leaders DeFacto, specifically in the middle east, some African countries, and Asian countries, and there are some who abuse that power, however, I don't think it's as conspiratorial as feminist make it out to be.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/23 03:02 PM
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The patriarchy is real , but not in the way feminists describes it , its not necceesarily evil and not always a disadvantage to women
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/23 09:27 AM
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False the main reason is lack of charisma for some hygiene and some looks , misogyny can play a role in you not getting , but you can be misogynisitic , openingly and get women , there are several examples of this online and in real life , being broke or not having a degree also doesnt prevent you from getting , also the demonization of masculinity doesnt play a role , there are men who are very feminine and get a lot of women , charisma and unique ness is the main issue , being a good person al…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/23 09:24 AM
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I think men should just go back to being toxicly masculine not because i think its healthy but i dont think people care for them or thier issue so they should do what they have always done, help themselves
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/23 09:13 AM
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The problem is incels are not the biggest or most extreme threat to women , so the comparism makes no sense
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/10/23 10:54 PM
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define militant incels
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/10/23 08:51 AM
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it does, and it's ironic, because it reflects everything the left claims to hate about toxic masculinity which is odd because they use it the most, incel is derogatory not because the person is misogynistic but because the person is incompetent when it comes to sex , if it was based on misogyny they would not receive the most vitriol because they aren't the most harmful to women, not by a long shot even the person they site as an example Elliot roger, killed more men than women when he went on h…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/10/23 08:39 AM
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Not all od them but most of them dont actually matter , they are just people who support , they dont do anythung , we are talking about actual activists
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/09/23 05:04 PM
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even rape statistic , they purposely ignore that rape against men isn't considered a crime in several countries
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/09/23 11:41 AM
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even historically feminist didn't support men in their endeavors, they used to shame men who didn't go for the draft and they were against erin pizzy when she made the claim that both men and women engage in domestic violence
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/09/23 10:18 AM
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yeah women dont come to bat for men thou, most of them dont, men on the hand do for women, there are several men who support feminism
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/09/23 07:38 AM
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i don't think you can be pro feminist and pro men because the feminist ideology specifically views men as the enemy. even the way they talk about men or theorize male action implies that men are just oppressors and their enemy
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/09/23 07:31 AM
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not neccessarily being for men right indirectly makes you ant feminist, because feminism views men as the oppressor class by default , so in a way while being anti feminist doesnt mean pro men, being pro men issues is anti feminist indirectly
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/09/23 03:24 PM
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being anti feminist doesnt mean you are pro male issues or pro equality , it just mean agaisnt feminist, you can be anti feminist and hate men
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/09/23 12:53 PM
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I think there are some form of objectively systematic violence against women , in cases of religions that encourage disciplining of the wife specifically or outright misogyny or killing of women for not doing her duties but that's where i think it ends , i don't believe male violence against women overall is systematic, because its spontaneous it happens random and doesn't actually go in line with the facts, women are less likely to be attacked in public compared to by people they know, women di…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/09/23 09:25 AM
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exactly , you would think people would realise this tactic but they wont
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/23 01:36 PM
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men are seen as disposable so male victims of anything are taken less seriously unless that thing is unique to men and even then, it still isn't taken seriously.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/23 01:34 PM
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exactly because the way at which they use implies men have some form of self hatred , but the reason why they don't label it as that would be because it will take away the focus and attention from women , and what's odd about it is that if they did frame it that way , it could lead to better revelations and results, ​ an example is the idea that men are choosing to not show emotions because it makes them weak, they made it about themselves and implied that its because women are more emotional an…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/23 01:01 PM
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i see , they believe that to talk about men issues , they have to be involved and it has to be on their own terms and for their own benefit , mind you , this was a sub created to help men but they seem more concerned about how the subreddit centers women rather than helping men
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/23 10:09 AM
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Sorry I am about to go on a rant on one of their replies to the linked post because the cracks in their response is too annoying to ignore As far as I know, but I may be off about a couple of things, the core tenets of feminism are equality and equal of all gender expressions, gender identities and non-hetero normative Sexualities. Also I believe acknowledgement of the patriarchal system which system which has, and continues to, suppress anyone that is not a cis-gendered man. Suppression can als…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/23 10:03 AM
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Sorry I am about to go on a rant on one of their replies to the linked post because the cracks in their response is too annoying to ignore As far as I know, but I may be off about a couple of things, the core tenets of feminism are equality and equal of all gender expressions, gender identities and non-hetero normative Sexualities. Also I believe acknowledgement of the patriarchal system which system which has, and continues to, suppress anyone that is not a cis-gendered man. Suppression can als…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/23 09:54 AM
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They mean something specific by this, which is that misogyny is a system of oppression faced by women and bought into by misogynist men and women. Misandry doesn't exist in the same sense, and it's very rare to find men and women who hold truly anti-male beliefs. Those few people who do hold those beliefs aren't reinforced by a system of oppression, they're just kooks with little to no power. someone actually said this BS there even thou they literally consider toxic masculinity as an anti male …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/23 09:10 AM
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it makes sense, because its in line with traditionalism, homophobia and transphobic can be misandrist but its isn't necessary misandry just transphobia and homophobia , also even if you did go against this sentiment , this doesn't mean that they do not support men issues, one of the reasons for transphobia and homophobia from MRAs Specifically is because the LGBTQ also participated in outright misandrist and hateful behaviors towards men , and while it doesn't mean they should clap back with big…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/09/23 12:27 PM
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i agree to an extent but at the same thing, they actively oppose solutions as long as those solution dont help women, or reduces their own influences, the reason feminism gets a lot of hate from anyone who tries to address men issues, is because feminist tend to road block areas people try to help men in , even when those areas dont include women, they also like to go after anyone who addresses men issues even their own this sub mainly critics and uses actually good arguments against their point…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/07/23 01:51 PM
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