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I understand some of your frustrations, but where did this come from: I'm not going to respond to you anymore unless you're waiting to have an actual conversation which I doubt. Seems like an unwarrantedly accusatory response.
/r/ExRedPill20/07/26 04:29 PM
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He's an imperfect ally ... very imperfect. But, it's still helpful to have prominent voices like his that can penetrate the mainstream and that some liberals will actually listen to. No one on the left is going to listen to an antifeminist, so for practical reasons I think he plays an important role. I don't know all his proposals, but the one that concerns me the most is his insistence that boys should be held behind 1 year in school. That seems really problematic on many levels. Imagine saying…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/07/26 01:44 PM
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Do you think this regressive move is: due to the influence of the Meloni movement's rightwing traditional gender roles due to the liberal cultural backlash inside the country against the rise of the Meloni rightwing (similar to how liberal orgs in the USA have been going full-steam hog-wild during the Trump years) unrelated to either
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/07/26 03:47 PM
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Thank you so much for this post, it really means a lot to me and I'm sure to many others reading it. Stay strong, don't let the groupthink mob dissuade you.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/26 11:41 PM
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Incredible.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/02/26 07:40 AM
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I'm completely open to the idea of emotional, psychological, and verbal violence. I have a genuine question: why? I'm curious to hear what your reasoning is behind this viewpoint. I suspect (I could be wrong) you support the term "violence" because it communicates a type of seriousness and implication of harm, and it's important to you for this weight to be conveyed. Is that why?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/02/26 07:37 AM
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Isn’t harassment a type of violence? No. The answer is very simple: NO. I understand that dumb narcissists trying to solicit donations and endorsements (AKA, politicians) might write some law that labels harassment as "violence", but that doesn't make it actually true in my view.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/02/26 07:32 AM
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they have added "Technology-facilitated sexual violence" - when someone sends an explicit image without the other person's consent, as well as revenge porn. This is a good addition But dick pics and revenge porn are NOT violence. Period. You can call it "sexual misconduct", you could even call it "sexual crimes", but you cannot call it "violence". I disapprove of this liberal/feminist trend to label literally everything as "violence". Words are called violence; winks, whistles, grins, awkward co…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/26 09:22 PM
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Great comment, thanks for speaking up. For some reason society is just unwilling to empathize with men in any arena that involves women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/26 07:44 AM
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??? Neither. I was responding to GorgonzolaJam.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/26 11:23 AM
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Yeah, seems that way. You described those people's mindset perfectly. I have for years been strongly critical of this anti-intellectual liberal cult-mob and how they ultimately only help the rightwing gain power. But, for many/most human beings, I guess, politics is exactly the same as sports rivalry. Tribalistic LARPing without strong principles.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/26 07:32 PM
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In small doses, and also directed at oneself rather than one's entire group.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/26 09:54 PM
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Yeah, that's fair. People obeying what others tell them is supposed to be righteous behavior or scores them points with their in-group.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/26 12:31 PM
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I wonder if self flaggellation is a way of coping with low elf esteem Maybe, I don't know. It's a good question. But, the statement "everyone who shares my gender is shit" is not exactly "self-flagellation".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/26 12:11 PM
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Whoa, don't jump to conclusions. I didn't see any evidence this case relates in any way to Muslims.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/26 12:07 PM
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Yes. In other words, a cult.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/26 11:57 AM
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Says the 'Righteous Gemstones' star of the short story collection: "These stories aren’t here to fix men. They’re here to watch them spiral out of control, eat shit, get back up, and occasionally do something accidentally decent.” What an asshole. Sounds like another man who is shitty inside and wants to project that shittiness onto other men who he views as being like himself. A book that will mainly only be read by menslib types who already cannot stop hating themselves for the "original sin" …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/26 11:55 AM
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Menslib perma-banned me for using the word "woke" unironically. Yes, really: when I asked why they banned me, they said as much. I was dumbfounded. That tells me everything I ever need to know about that sub. Critical thinking / engaging with alternative ideas is clearly never something that could ever occur over there.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/26 10:04 AM
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I love that you're here! Stay! a lot of posts here seem to define themselves against feminism rather than for something in their own right. ... I think it has to be more than “we disagree with feminists” or “look at this thing feminists said that’s infuriating”. I personally think the more compelling question is: who do we want to be? What do male advocates stand for? lol, of course! You put it gently, which is sweet, but yeah, I'll put it more bluntly: the cantankerous groaning about feminism a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/26 06:01 PM
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it does frame my position as explicitly non-final in a way that mirrors your own trajectory True, it does. But I did say "might be likely to shift". That is very far away from "you'll definitely see things differently / your whole worldview will be turned upside down!" 😆 I'm just gently expressing my opinion that your views would probably be affected if you saw more of a certain angle. But, I'm not saying that strongly, and I certainly don't mean to dismiss where you currently are. I also think …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/26 03:58 PM
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Well, you said: The question is whether those benefits function as defaults that travel across most areas of life or whether they’re situational, conditional and paired with ceilings or trade-offs. Which is structured as "the question is whether A or B", which is a comparison of A and B (in short: A or B). You describe A as wide-reaching in scope and you describe B as narrower in scope. I do not think that is an "interpretation", I think that is exactly what your sentence says, regardless of wha…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/26 03:29 PM
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Yeah, I'm down with all that, and I feel the same. Your explanation makes sense. Feminism for me and for many others is equalism plus an acknowledgment that there are still structural asymmetries that disproportionately harm women. That's fair. From that standpoint — where Feminism is essentially entirely encapsulated inside of Equalism as a particular female-centered focus of achieving equality for humans from a particular direction — then feminism is wholly appropriate and necessary in my view…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/26 10:25 PM
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Again, I agree with pretty much everything you said. You took the time to write all that, and I took it in, appreciated it, and agree with it. Just a few small things: I don’t see myself as standing at an earlier stage of the same journey you went on. I'm not saying you are! But, at the same time, people are not usually aware of where they might be headed in terms of their journey of understanding/outlook. As I said elsewhere, we don't know what we don't know. I, too, did not previously see myse…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/26 10:03 PM
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Oh man. Thanks for sharing that. Genuinely I'm really glad to hear your older son seems to be doing well and looking at brighter times. I hope he doesn't get his heart broken. I could imagine, based on his past anxiety and limited relationships, that maybe he could kinda fall into a girl and lose himself a little. I think that happens to a ton of us. I got severely heartbroken after a long-term relationship that I didn't realize I had become so emotionally dependent on until after. The breakup w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/26 10:20 AM
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Part 2/2: This is a supplemental point that I dragged out a bit, so I'm putting it in a separate comment. (Apologies for the length, I appreciate you!) The question is whether those benefits function as defaults that travel across most areas of life or whether they’re situational, conditional and paired with ceilings or trade-offs. On a meta-level, this is a hard convo. The problem for me is that, I know people construct their view of the world based on their encounters and situations they've wi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/26 09:55 AM
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Part 1/2: Amen, I loved what you wrote. Super massive agreement. It would be too verbose to cite every point of my agreement, so just keep in mind that I really jived with everything you said. I tried to limit my responses so you wouldn't be forced to read so much damn text, but I couldn't help reacting to so many of your stellar points. it’s completely coherent to say: the values matter, the institutional power abuses are real and the way those values have been interpreted and enforced has ofte…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/26 09:03 AM
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Egalitarianism isn’t a movement Ah, I see. When viewing it that way, your statement makes sense, but I do believe Egalitarianism is a movement too. Or, to use another term, I like to say "Equalism". And Equalism absolutely 100% is a movement, even if smaller. Feminism is a set of theories centering that value I already explained that a lot of feminism doesn't have the actual goal of true equality. Do you disagree with that? And, again, if you seek true equality, why not Equalism rather than choo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/26 05:28 AM
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Do you feel like your boys' views/politics are mostly in line with yours, or do you feel like they've been pulled in directions you haven't been or are still more unjaded than you? Not that it matters, I'm just curious.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/26 04:54 AM
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egalitarianism is a core value of feminism. ... Feminism is distinct only in one sense: it starts from the claim that women are still not treated equally on all levels of society. How does that — the definition you've given here — make feminism any different from egalitarianism? For a difference to be possible, by your own words, you would necessarily be implying that egalitarianism claims women are in fact already treated equally on all levels. Saying that "feminism is distinct" directly implie…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/26 11:33 AM
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Yep, that would do it. It's interesting because apparently a lot of people are familiar with neglect within families, where one person/child is neglected and another person/child is favored, and then people bitterly experience the damage from that for decades or their whole lives. You'd think they wouldn't choose to so clearly reinstate that dynamic in schools, but... Humans seemingly have to hate, I guess we can't avoid it. Somebody has to be the scapegoat, dammit.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/26 08:28 AM
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Wow, what a great comment. Thumbs up.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/26 07:22 AM
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Thanks for sharing all that, SpicyMarshmellow. I've debated with you in the past, and I always appreciate seeing what you contribute around here. When I went to school (which was a while ago) I noticed what seemed like various types of favoritism or lighter treatment given to girls compared to boys, and that always struck me as weird and troublesome. There was also some of the reverse, to be fair. But, probably the biggest single thing was just the universal sense that girls were more delicate a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/26 06:59 AM
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"patriarchy" From Ancient Greek : patēr "father" + arkhein "to rule". Thus, "rule of the father", generalized to mean male rule. Nothing in there says "superior". It refers to power but not value or superiority. Therefore, you are literally factually incorrect. Patriarchy, by definition, does not mean maleness is superior. Also, matriarchy also doesn't mean superiority either; it means rule by a matriarch or more generally rule by women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/26 06:43 AM
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Yes, I agree completely, too many people in this sub (and MRAs generally) fail to recognize the reality of patriarchy and misogyny. Personally, I think patriarchy is the bigger factor; outright misogyny itself is less common in my view, but still does exist of course. Patriarchy is so obvious an undeniable that I fail to understand how so many sub members utterly refuse to acknowledge its existence. By the way, did you get a chance to view that "pay attention to advertisements" hyperlink I inclu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/26 05:23 AM
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I liked your comment, and I love that you seem fairly open-minded and willing to engage in seeming good faith. You're obviously very intellectual and thoughtful, and I very much appreciate you coming to this subreddit which is hostile toward feminism to engage and have discussion. You seem to be responding to people sincerely and maintaining openness, and that is heartening to me. I'm going to respond to some of your points bluntly, but that isn't out of any hostility toward you personally, and …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/26 05:14 AM
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Do you truly believe that being guarded(in this case meaning trying to avoid a potential harm or just an unwanted interaction) means that you are necessarily afraid? This is the exact hair-splitting intentional obtuseness pretending to be sincere that I'm talking about. Obviously women being "guarded" in this context is directly correlated with "fear". Only a buffoon would say otherwise. You can simply listen to what women themselves are saying: the repeatedly and enthusiastically justify their …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/26 02:47 AM
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Haha, for sure, I understood you. Like I said, I didn't assume you were making anything up or distorting anything at all, I was just explaining the other person's comment because another person may have misunderstood it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/26 07:38 AM
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Yes, exactly. It always baffled me how many other people seemed oblivious to this seemingly obvious gender dynamic. Men are generally villainized a lot more than women, and it's much more acceptable to trash-talk a man in pop culture compared to how women are treated more delicately. Perhaps 100 years ago it was a little different, idk, but certainly ever since at least the 1980's we've been living in a #GirlBoss #GirlPower era where so much mass media, music, movies, television, etc, has been c…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/26 07:28 AM
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I appreciate you trying to give clarification and explanation and trying to be reasonable. I would just encourage you to caution the mod team against being censorious. Reddit mods get this idea that they need to "shape" and "sculpt" a sub to their liking by censoring posts because they believe it is "for the greater good". To some degree that is valid, but, oftentimes that serves to make a sub less free and open and instead more cultish and authoritarian. I think it's better to try to minimize c…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/26 06:22 AM
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that's what I'm sayin, yo
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/26 04:23 AM
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I've never used Tumblr before. I think I have never heard a single positive thing about it. People make it sound like a breeding ground for brainwashing and cult-like groupthink. It makes me wonder why anyone past their teenage years would choose to go on it. And then I remember that I frequent reddit, and I think: don't throw stones in glass houses.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/26 04:17 AM
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Is there any specific post/comment you can link to for that drama? If you don't have anything handy, don't worry about it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/26 04:14 AM
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"But, that's men's problem. Who built that system? It's on men to be there for each other, women are tired of mankeeping. Stop oppressing me by demanding my emotional labor. Your entire comment is an anti-woman microaggression. Seek help." —Every online feminist
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/26 03:57 AM
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To be fair, I don't think they were referring to the pain and isolation. When they said "fan-fiction-y", I'm pretty sure they were referring to this cinematic dramatic scene: And that's usually when I hear the actual sound of their entire world belief breaking. People's worldviews do not generally fall apart in a moment. I wish they did, lol. I wish I could refute some Redditor's extremely obvious logical fallacy, and then they realize they've being seeing everything wrong and they renounce femi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/26 03:51 AM
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The problem is, I feel like most of the trans men I see online seem to rather sacrifice themselves to uphold feminist misandry out of some deeply held belief that The Cause is more important than their personal suffering as an unfortunate collateral casualty of that very same cause. The sentiment seems to be, "yeah, it hurts to either be considered scum or to be seen as safe because they don't see me as a 'real' man, but that pain is worth it to suffer in silence in order to remain loyal to the …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/26 03:43 AM
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Come on, "guarded" is just an expression of "fear", don't play rhetorical games. The person you're responding to deliberately compared being "guarded" around an entire gender to being "guarded" around an entire race, and you dodged that point entirely like a coward rather than address it head on. If I have negative experiences with a particular race, does that entitle me to be "guarded" around that whole race? Maybe I'm a disabled person unable to defend myself and most people of that race could…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/26 03:32 AM
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Are you a feminist? If so, you can flair yourself as "feminist guest", FYI. To answer your question, men are assaulted and killed at a much higher rate than women are, yet men are much less afraid. (proof) A man has no greater ability to defend himself against a gun or a knife or a suckerpunch to the back of the skull, etc. Ability to "defend oneself" does not prevent men from being victims. On the contrary, it tends to increase the damage; people who attempt to flee or plead for mercy are harme…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/26 03:15 AM
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I don’t think a lot of these guys actually fully believe this or really blame other men. Oh no, they 100000000000000% fully believe it. It is cult programming. It goes down deep. It's like how Trumpers would die for Dear Leader, or Jim Jones followers. Plus, most transmen are very liberal, and the one of the most foundational tenets of liberalism is that maleness is bad, so the vast majority of transmen all seem to inherit this perspective from long before they transition.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/26 03:09 AM
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Correct. Among liberals, the only thing wrong or problematic about hatred of men is that it might affect transmen by accident, and transmen are not seen as real men by most liberals, even though they claim otherwise.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/26 02:59 AM
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I used to be a feminist myself because I so strongly and fiercely believe in equality, true equality: both the good and the bad. And that is precisely why I no longer am a feminist. I'm not anti-feminist either. But, for Western countries like the USA and Spain, I could never be a feminist again. I'm for peace and equality, not hate, and feminism is about hate.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/26 02:55 AM
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If you are comfortable body-shaming others as a way to mock/insult them, especially using immutable traits like height, penis size, facial features, etc, then you should also be comfortable mocking someone for their ethnicity, disability, or even religious background. "Look at that paraplegic, he's such a pathetic little cripple, hahaha." "Look at those nasty Indians trying to control women!" Why aren't the body-shamers also cool with that?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/26 07:35 PM
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If you justify any insult against Miller because he is a bad person, then why not call him a dirty jew? Serious question. Would you be willing to call him that right now? I think you would NOT be willing to, and the reason why is (aside from fear of a ban) is because you understand that his being a Jew has nothing to do with his worth as a person and it is wrong to denigrate Jewishness in general just to insult one person. So, then, how can you justify mocking him based on height or penis size o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/26 07:24 PM
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This is disturbing. Mods should explain why they rejected a post. Did you ask them? Same goes for u/Inquiz_
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/26 07:11 PM
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Excellent point.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/26 07:08 PM
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Hey Box, I wanted to let you know that another user in an unrelated post actually provided some good info to answer your question about WHY: https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/1q79se0/comment/nyfyhji/
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/26 06:45 PM
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Thanks for all these resources, this is great stuff. Do you keep like a database of these references?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/26 11:35 AM
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Thank YOU for breaking the mold and having the courage and open-mindedness to learn about men's issues rather than just blindly believing whatever mainstream feminism says. That's already much more than most people seem capable of. shouldn't jobs women tend to do be payed better? You might be referring to the half-myth that when women enter an industry, the wages fall. This claim is repeated everywhere by feminists. But, this is half-true, half-false. There are some historical instances showing …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/01/26 09:11 AM
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I agree, and I respect that you had a moment of reflection after seeing the Hoover Dam and getting a glimpse of how working men have toiled to literally build the world we inhabit today. Every road, every bridge, mountain pass, tunnel, sidewalk, power line, dam, house, skyscraper, etc, all of it was built by like 98% men. It doesn't absolve men of responsibility or excuse poor male behavior, but it does prove that poor men really sacrificed their bodies to create the world around us. But, I thin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/01/26 08:24 AM
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Thank you for your detailed response! I want to respond to many of your points: Mothers lack support systems in society because women aren't valued enough. Is this actually because "women aren't valued enough"? In order to support that assertion, you would need to demonstrate that men have better support systems because men are valued more. But, we know that men actually have even worse social support than women, so this assertion must be untrue. Mothers may lack sufficient support systems, but …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/01/26 09:26 AM
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Why do you think it is considered unacceptable and immoral among liberals to hate any other social group, but hating men is seen as chic, cool, and progressive?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/01/26 08:43 AM
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That's a good question. I think there's probably a number of factors that contribute to this, although I don't pretend to understand them all. I'm sure it plays a role that men tend to be larger, more physically scary and intimidating, and more violent. We start to develop our biases as babies and those biases continue to be shaped throughout childhood into adulthood. So, if children see men/fathers as more frightening and women/mothers as softer, then that might play a role. One good place to l…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/26 12:10 PM
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Yeah, I hear you. I would be interested to hear more of your thoughts about what aspects of feminism are still needed (what inequalities women still face?) versus what aspects are no longer needed.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/01/26 09:20 AM
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Well, there's a few thing going on here. First, it's true that historically women have had some unique obstacles and issues that warranted attention. I don't think this is really true anymore in Western nations, but some vestige of historical iniquities does remain, and it's valid to address that. Also, patriarchy is a real thing that has shaped society for centuries and continues in a much weaker form even today. Maybe you could say the effects of the "ghost of patriarchy" still linger, because…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/01/26 09:15 AM
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I didn't ask if you're a trans man to discount your view Fair, thanks. Yeah, that would be a good way to explain it Well, in that case, it seems like the disapproval is coming mostly from feminists. I find it hard to imagine normal regular people would penalize someone for coming out as a man specifically. Transphobia, of course, I understand ordinary folks can frequently be transphobic, but transphobia is penalizing someone for being a man specifically, it is penalizing trans-ness itself. But, …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/01/26 11:28 AM
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Well, I very much strongly encourage your pursuit of "love, compassion, peace". Very, very, very strongly, I highly encourage that. It might sound a little silly to be so enthusiastic about it, but I sincerely really am happy to hear that and I encourage you to go that direction. I'm a little disturbed that this sudden shift in perspective only happened "this week"!! 😳😬 lol. But, hey, there's no better time than NOW to turn over a new leaf, right? I decided to blame all my problems on men and on…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/01/26 11:16 AM
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I won't talk about my personal experience, That's precisely what I was looking for, though: your personal experience. The rest of what you wrote is certainly insightful and pretty accurate in my view, but I already know all that. I want to better understand what personally made you feel hatred toward men as a group. I'm keeping my eyes open. I've seen too many groups that have started off talking about advocating for a group only for it to turn into dogging about another group Well, I'm sorry to…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/01/26 10:52 AM
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Are you a trans man? I am not. But I am actively against the popular notion that a person has to first "live as a ____" in order to understand anything (fill in the blank with whatever: black person, woman, trans man, etc). To the contrary, I believe all humans can understand the experience of others, although it may take an open mind. as if saying "if you didn't choose to be awful men, this wouldn't be happening" to our face Hmmm. So, perhaps an added layer of contempt from being seen as a gend…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/01/26 10:43 AM
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Well, to be fair, a lot of the people who doubt/criticize "critical theory" (meaning, all that "systems of oppression" talk) are indeed bigoted assholes like Elon Musk and Trump, who think racism doesn't exist except toward white people and want to ban immigration from every country except white South Africans. It's a sad and unfortunate thing that many/most of the people pushing back against leftist rhetoric are not people who understand it but instead people who simply want to deny it because …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/01/26 10:35 AM
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We need more people (like you) to talk openly and honestly about this issue, and to be a little more confrontational. It's funny: leftist people are so eager and willing to be nasty and confrontational and war-like when dealing with anyone who doesn't follow the orthodox brainwashing. Yet, if that person starts to question the liberal orthodoxy, they rarely have the balls to speak up and confront their own community. Almost like, "when some of THEM are hateful we protest, but when some of US are…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/12/25 03:13 PM
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Two things: First, about online vs the supposed real life: I know these issues seem pretty "terminally online" but it's so much more than that. I agree. Unfortunately — and this is terrifying — real life is now becoming largely or even mostly online. Most of the socializing humans do, particularly humans under the age of 45, is moving to online connections. We gather our information about the world and society from the discourse online. The notion that "people are saying X" is coming from online…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/12/25 02:53 PM
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You think progressives and marginalised folk would be a bastion of inclusion and acceptance for people who have done no wrong but humans are humans I guess Yeah, marginalized and LGBTQ people (like most people) are the same as Zionist Israelis. They have no problem with hatred and killing and persecution, they just don't want to be the target of that persecution. They are very happy to scapegoat and dehumanize other people. It's not "never again", it's "never again TO US!"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/12/25 02:40 PM
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It's almost as if bigotry, sexism, and racism weren't started by patriarchy or white supremacy and therefore obviously will not magically disappear when/if patriarchy and white supremacy are eradicated. Bigotry is a fundamental part of how humans relate to each other. I'm in favor, of course, of dismantling systems of oppression, and both patriarchy and white supremacy are systems of oppression. But, the fundamental flaw in human nature that causes bigotry in the first place ... that flaw will r…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/12/25 02:35 PM
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But, I still don't understand what "transandrophobia" or "transmisandry" is other than simply misandry applied to trans people. Every single example Dionysus offers is just simple misandry. For example, let's take their first statement: Transandrophobia, is the way that the fear of men and/or masculinity effects transgender men’s ability to access queer and transgender spaces, sexual assault survivor resources, and reproductive health care. Yeah, no shit. Hatred of men is obviously going to caus…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/12/25 02:29 PM
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Why were you originally a "genuine man-hater"? And then, why did you stop being a man-hater? I'd like to know more about this phenomenon where people learn to hate and then learn to stop hating.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/12/25 02:01 PM
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Thanks for saving me the time. If the video is that shallow, I won't bother with it. Also, since you seem like someone who cares about proper use of English, you might find this tip helpful, idk: it's averse to not "adverse": adverse = negative, harmful, unfavorable ("adverse weather") averse = disliking or opposed to ("averse to taking risks") I learned that myself recently. But maybe that was just a typo and my explanation is wasted and unwanted.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/25 09:59 AM
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While interesting and informative, that's still far from 100% conclusive evidence. Nun and monks do not perform exactly the same activities, certainly do not have the same childhood upbringing, have very different social conditioning, and even diets might also have been different. We'd have to hold all the variables constant to truly compare.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/12/25 11:23 PM
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it does seem that women are biologically advantaged on average to live longer, but that said the gap is only 2-3 years Can you cite evidence for this? The source would need to equalize all the health and lifestyle factors when comparing males and females, which would be extremely hard to do.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/12/25 11:21 PM
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Wow, this is fascinating. So, this kind of blows up the common supposition that women are biologically programmed to live longer. It really does seem to mainly come down to environmental/behavioral differences, which manifest most in poorer men. This really shows how especially fucked up the gender health gap really is, considering the media only talks about poor outcomes for women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/12/25 05:15 AM
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StupIDpol has become pretty skeptical of feminism, also from a leftwing perspective, so I recommend there as well.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/25 07:43 AM
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This gets close to the "euphemism treadmill" and I don't like that. I'm referring to the way words keep having to be changed over and over again as time goes on because people start clutching their pearls. Slow → Retarded → handicapped → Special → Disabled → Differently Abled ... etc. Fuck that treadmill. I understand the term "patriarchy" has been diluted by the "social landscape" as you say, but there's nothing wrong with the term itself and I don't have patience for princesses who need for wo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/25 08:34 PM
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I'm not feminist but I certainly believe that patriarchy exists. People on this sub always downvote me for that belief, but the existence of patriarchy is obvious. It's not everything feminists make it out to be, but it does exist. I've argued at length with people here about it before.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/25 08:27 PM
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I'm guessing you meant "finger-point". And, I respect your stance.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/11/25 03:51 PM
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"Breaking News: Police self-study concludes they are not bastards, but in fact gods"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/11/25 11:19 AM
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I appreciated your article. You're more a bit more conciliatory toward mainstream feminist misandry than I would be personally, but that's quite all right. At least you directly criticized the "demonization" of men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/11/25 11:08 AM
1

I want to see the Democrats win elections again I don't. The corrupt two-party system needs to end. I'd rather see the country burn if it means finally breaking the 2-party monopoly and ushering in a different system with more parties.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/10/25 07:36 PM
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The term "Manosphere" is tricky because it kind of almost implies rightwing. I would barely/hardly even consider true masculism or male advocacy to be within what is termed the Manosphere.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/25 06:19 AM
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Gabby is leftwing and a wonderful male advocate: https://www.youtube.com/@GabrielleWolfeTherapist
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/25 06:18 AM
2

Some women "only do it as a choir"?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 07:18 PM
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I just want to show my appreciation that feminists or feminism-adjacent people like you and u/MasterpieceNew7000 continue to participate in this subreddit, and I would encourage you to continue showing up despite the downvotes. I think it is very valuable that people across the aisle are willing to participate here in good faith and be open to having their ideas challenged. I am neither a feminist nor a masculist (although I guess in some ways I am a bit of both), instead I am an Equalist, so I …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/09/25 01:31 PM
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Yeah, I agree with you. One thing that made me think twice, though: sometimes our culture today believes that because the government says something is allowed (albeit regulated), that automatically means no one can judge another for doing that thing I'm not sure how much that's true?? For example, hate speech and racist rants are perfectly legal (in the USA) but nobody thinks they shouldn't be judged for that behavior. Similarly, having an infinite number of sexual partners or being an absolute …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/25 03:36 AM
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My opinions: Porn: should be open and legal. If there is any age-restriction, it should be on the device not the website. For example, devices given to children can have a setting on them that indicates the user's age. Porn websites can check that setting before displaying content. Websites already get info such as your browser and operating system, it would be simple to add a flag for if the device owner is underage or not. That way no sensitive information is sent over the internet; it's just …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/09/25 09:53 AM
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I'd actually rather have men and women work equally to provide, and also do equal housework, so that they both have an ideal work-home balance. It would still be economically the same, except it allows both sexes more autonomy and lower risks of financial exploitation in relationships. You sound like a feminist! 😲 Haha, just kidding. Seriously, tho, yeah, I agree with you. I think this is basically Equalism you're talking about here, which I am a strong advocate of. And, yeah, of course, I under…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/09/25 04:17 AM
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Yeah, agree.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/09/25 04:09 AM
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Feminism is the most successful at causing impoverishment I don't know about that. Sure, I know it causes some impoverishment. But, it seems far fetched that it's the "most successful" at causing poverty. Keep in mind that traditional "chivalrous" gender roles (where men provide for women and sacrifice their own money and well-being for the sake of women) are NOT the product of feminism. That predates feminism by millennia.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/09/25 02:00 AM
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Scott Galloway is just about the shittiest most problematic "ally" I can think of. Yes, I guess he barely qualifies as "ally" because he is attempting to support men against the misandry of the mainstream feminist paradigm, but his views are so bad that he's likely doing more harm than good.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/09/25 01:27 AM
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I can't support the extremely ambitious claim that "feminism is the most successful hate movement that has ever existed". That is probably more accurate for the modern age of the last 50 years. But not for all time. Also, it is highly dependent on what "successful" means in this context. Feminism in the West has become incredibly accepted and celebrated, so that is a type of success. But, feminism is not as responsible for as much death and destruction as other hate movements. So, if we're measu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/09/25 01:23 AM
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Sure, your takeaway sounds good. Your post doesn't seem to have much to do with male advocacy or gender issues, but that's fine I guess. Kirk was an extremely toxic influence on the world and a full-blown asshole, but he wasn't Hitler or the anti-Christ, which is how woketivists tend to see the world in black and white. Anyway, I'd love to hear more from trans men about their experience as men in this world and how it relates to feminism/masculism and gender politics.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/09/25 01:14 AM
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RedPill tells men that women get turned on by forcefulness during sex. That is not just the RedPill. That is a general extremely common concept across the world that predates the RedPill by a very long time. A lot of men have given the notion by society that they need to be forceful or very intense in order to properly please a woman. Further, many women, perhaps most, express a desire to be "dominated" during sex to some degree. I've known women personally who have shared that preference and us…
/r/ExRedPill14/09/25 06:20 AM
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Fair.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/09/25 10:21 PM
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I couldn't make it past 13 minutes so far. Her viewpoints became too annoying. You say she talks negatively about feminist rhetoric and double standards, which would be good, although I still haven't really reached that yet at 13 minutes. Instead, she keeps hammering home two main points: Erotica and porn is bad. She uses 2000 fancy words to basically keep saying it's bad and negatively affecting people (in her opinion). Women's sexual arousal is categorically on a much higher more refined highb…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/09/25 04:47 PM
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I would love if we had clear terminology to distinguish the toxic part of the manosphere from the perfectly valid wholesome part. Does anyone know better terminology? Or maybe we can workshop something together? Maybe I'll make a separate post about that. We need a very different word for people who subscribe to masculism / men's rights vs people who subscribe to Liver King and Andrew Tate.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/09/25 02:58 PM
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Obviously I was being a bit facetious, I do not literally think they will throw him a party with a raise. My point is that his kind of thinking is, amazingly, quite popular and even celebrated in a lot of academia. That is the problem. And it's true, it's not "making up lies". I've read many academics who virtue signal by publicly wondering what possible use men have in the modern world.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/08/25 03:44 PM
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I mean, it's got perfectly valid stuff in there, but the field has become so tainted in my eyes by all the nonsense unsupported claims made over the years. To be fair, a lot of those "claims" were probably not coming from scientists themselves but from people "reporting" on the science who dramatically oversold and over-stretched the theories, and that probably did a lot to muddy the waters. There is an entire beefy Wikipedia page for this issue: Criticism of evolutionary psychology.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/08/25 08:00 AM
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Good call!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/08/25 05:21 AM
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Yeah, I just commented elsewhere: Hatred of men is the beating heart of academia, as far as I can see. It seems like tribalism is the default behavior of most humans: if you can join others as part of a common tribe in opposition to an "enemy" tribe, that is like crack cocaine for the human brain. No amount of education seems to undo that. So many academics are joined together holding hands in their shared antagonism toward the male gender.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/08/25 03:40 AM
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Reporting this to Harvard will probably get him a raise and celebration party as praise for taking a bold "feminist" stance. Hatred of men is the beating heart of academia, as far as I can see.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/08/25 03:35 AM
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Evolutionary Psychology is pseudoscience, in my opinion. Sure, some of it is surely accurate, but a lot of it is bunk and unfalsifiable. It's basically throwing shit at a wall and seeing what patterns "sound plausible" and using reverse logic (starting with a conclusion and working backwards) to justify its positions; it's powered by confirmation bias. That is literally pseudoscience, by definition. it's baffling to me that it has somehow flown under the radar for all these years as a "science" …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/08/25 03:31 AM
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I do agree. I guess I framed my question the wrong way. I'm not wondering why masculists would listen to in any capacity at all. Instead, I'm wondering why I have seen multiple posts about her in this forum as someone who is presented as supposedly a male advocacy ally. That's what I meant.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/08/25 02:04 AM
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I understand your point. But, I mean, we live in the age of social media where the sad reality is that female influencers get far more views and clicks if they show some cleavage and present themselves as more feminine and made-up, and they know this very very well. I think there is a difference between people who are meticulously framing their position in the camera to include their cleavage vs women who just happen to have it showing in some shots but not in others and the framing isn't always…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/08/25 02:01 AM
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Your more cynical take might just be accurate.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/08/25 11:24 AM
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Honest question: why do people in this sub watch Dr. Ana? I watched one of her videos and it was clear that she subscribes very hard to the feminist mindset that women are always the true victims and women should be centered and the world's problems are the result of men. Why would people here be interested in someone's videos who thinks like that? Also, most thumbnails for her videos are obviously carefully framed to show off her cleavage in order to attract more views. Not a good sign.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/08/25 10:20 AM
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Agreed. But, I think the most important part of the work is successfully bringing attention to the legitimate issues men face, and Reeves is doing that. Offering prescriptions/solutions is secondary to that. Once we have sympathetic attention given to men's issues, then solution ideas can come from a wide number of sources, but if no one thinks your issues are real then you can't even arrive at solutions.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/08/25 12:22 AM
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I really wish you the best.
/r/ExRedPill20/07/25 07:15 PM
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I feel a lot of shame around what happened I hesitate on whether or not I should spread the news to my classmates because it could make me look dumb. I don't think other people will view you negatively for this. I think this guy clearly sounds like he was a massive asshole, and talking about the pain you went through won't make people think less of you. I don't think you should attempt to go on a campaign to "educate" people about him being a bad person and try to spread news about him, because …
/r/ExRedPill20/07/25 06:23 PM
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I can’t share what happened irl Why not? I think it would probably be very healthy for you to talk to your friends and/or trusted family about this. Reddit (an anonymous online weirdo place divorced from real life) is probably not the best place to seek emotional support in general. I'd encourage you to share what you're going through with people in your life who actually know you, if possible.
/r/ExRedPill20/07/25 05:04 PM
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How representative of feminism is AskFeminists? Online feminism has been called out by many commentators as being extraordinarily toxic. Feminists in real life are still decently toxic although they can be reasonable, but online is at a whole other level. Therefore, I would expect the sub AskFeminists to be the absolute pinnacle of human toxicity masquerading as self-righteous virtue. That has been my experience there. There's a reason for this that goes beyond just feminism. Online vote-driven …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/07/25 12:07 PM
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Never heard skin color described as "kiwi". Feels like he'd be green inside.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/25 09:31 AM
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I keep making this analogy: Feminists and Israelis have the same worldview and mindset: they are always the victims of everything no matter what, and they've learned how to weaponize and capitalize on their victimhood status so thoroughly that it's ingrained and unconscious behavior for them. They both certainly do face a lot of fear and pain. And they do face real victimization. But their mindset keeps them locked into that position because it serves them and they wouldn't actually want it to b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/25 09:14 AM
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There's no need to despair. Your current view/feeling about the situation is likely significantly worse than the situation actually is. In other words, you may be depressing yourself for no reason, and that would be sad.
/r/ExRedPill08/07/25 12:20 PM
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for both genders id say white people are still the most preferred Yes, I agree, it seems that way overall, both anecdotally and statistically. However, there's still plenty of "demand" for other races too. There are differences, but the differences aren't so overwhelming as to be debilitating.
/r/ExRedPill07/07/25 02:16 PM
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those statistics are set in western countries in which the highest demographics is obviously white people, so its not the most accurate. Even adjusted for populational demographic proportions, statistically Asian and Latina women strongly prefer white men (here's one source). I'm not trying to make a big deal of it, but I just wanted to give data for your claim. Interestingly, according to that source, White men do NOT have a preference for Asian women but do for Pacific Islanders and especially…
/r/ExRedPill07/07/25 01:10 PM
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Listen, out of respect for the time you took to write this, I'm acknowledging that I read it. I'm already well aware of the numbers. However, in my personal view you seem to have some far-out extremist thinking and I don't think I would be able to debate productively with you. Take care.
/r/ExRedPill05/07/25 06:52 PM
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The fact that the vast majority of women don’t follow 4B (since they are immersed in the patriarchal system they are born into) doesn’t make it any less rational. This sounds like — and is, in my view — paranoia. This is precisely how people suffering from paranoia speak and justify their paranoia. Most women (the vaaaaaast majority) aren't interested in 4B because 1) they aren't paranoid, and 2) their desire for sexual-romantic coupling is greater than their fear of negative possibilities. Some…
/r/ExRedPill05/07/25 03:12 PM
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I don't know what it will take, if ever, for men collectively to decide to stop prostrating themselves before women and instead gain back some self-respect and say, "no, misandry is not ok. Standards should be equal." Until that day, I don't think these trends will stop. On this site men prefer to repeat all the talking points of feminism, no matter how true or debunked they are.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/25 06:55 AM
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Yeah, it's disturbing. I'm not sure how many people here are genuine ex-redpill folks vs menslib/feminist people who mainly came to hear the satisfying stories of men renouncing their former illusions. I mean, it's fine to not be ex-redpill, for sure. I'm not myself — I never have and never would dive into redpill ideology. I'm a former feminist who became an equalist. But I would be sad to see another strictly feminist-obedient sub that parrots identity politics over honesty. I was hoping to fi…
/r/ExRedPill28/06/25 10:25 AM
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Aren't men just being murdered and facing crime from other men ? Mostly, yes. What's your point? It sounds like you're trying to make this into a battle of men vs women, but I'm not trying to do that. If you read carefully what I wrote, I'm not trying to "own" women or take a side. Instead, I'm trying to correct the misleading narrative that Hotsaucekarina was presenting. I'm not even saying they were intentionally misleading; I'm sure they're just repeating what they've heard elsewhere. Hotsauc…
/r/ExRedPill28/06/25 09:42 AM
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I like how you’re comparing death rates in different yeqrs. Having reading difficulty? I wrote: "One woman was killed every 11 days and one man was killed every 91 days by an intimate partner on average in 2022–23." (33 deaths/year) "In 2022, there were 1,194 road crash deaths." I'm not sure if you can read that, but I made it bold for you to help a little bit. Are you aware that 2022 and 2022 are the same year? Does that make sense to you? 4 men were murdered by women. 64 women were murdered by…
/r/ExRedPill28/06/25 09:24 AM
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State is different than national, fair enough, but the same point stands, right? Automobile fatalities far outnumber DV-related homicides. That is the point, which is the opposite of what you said. I'm not trying to rub your nose in it, but I want to be clear about what the point is. You said something incorrect, I countered that. if you properly read my post you see I DON’T approve of I did read that, and I appreciated that, and I didn't even imply you did approve of misandry. Instead, I accuse…
/r/ExRedPill28/06/25 09:09 AM
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If I was a woman I would definitely choose 4B. Why? And, what is the difference between 4B and simply not wanting to be in a relationship at the moment (something people have been feeling for millennia) ... other than trying to "teach" men a lesson? The 4B movement is explicitly about avoiding men for socio-political reasons, trying to make some statement. So, it's a Motte & Bailey logical fallacy when people claim they're just doing it for their own personal reasons.
/r/ExRedPill28/06/25 06:48 AM
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No, I just meant it in a metaphorical ironic way regarding toxic redpillers and toxic misandrists. As in, these two toxic groups are "made for each other" because they're two sides of the same coin: assholes.
/r/ExRedPill28/06/25 06:44 AM
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It's not just your algorithm, the misandry is becoming universal. You said: In Australia the last two decades 1-2 women die each week at the hands of their partner so say 75-120 reportedly proven DV related deaths each year for the last twenty years consistently (higher than state car accident death tolls). That is WILDLY inaccurate. Totally off base. Below is info for Australia: "On average, one woman is killed every nine days by a current or former partner" [2020-2021]. (41 deaths/year) "One w…
/r/ExRedPill26/06/25 12:28 PM
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The reason it’s OK for women to dislike men is because men benefit from patriarchy and women suffer because of it. So, it's ok for short people to dislike tall people? It's ok for any group with less advantage in some arena to dislike any group with more advantage in that arena? This is a laughably ridiculous moral philosophy. Would you think it’s acceptable for native people to hate white people for coming and taking their land etc? No, that's idiotic and unacceptable and childish. If we were t…
/r/ExRedPill26/06/25 12:00 PM
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women have no reason to dislike men Correct. Indeed, women have no reason to dislike men. Women may have good reason to dislike patriarchy, dislike chauvinism, dislike negative behaviors they encounter from many men, etc. But, no reason to dislike "men" — men as a category, men as a subgroup of humans defined by an innate immutable trait they have no control over and did not choose. If we believe that Group A has a right to dislike Group B based on nothing other than their immutable identity tra…
/r/ExRedPill26/06/25 09:50 AM
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Both sides are made for each other. The red pill is wack, obviously, but online feminism has become dominated by misandry, and that is totally wack too. They're really similar to each other in most ways, like an abusive relationship where both partners are shitty and toxic. I have no patience for any fool who attempts to justify the villainization and verbal abuse of any group of people based on their immutable traits, and man-hating and negative dehumanizing generalizations about men are just a…
/r/ExRedPill26/06/25 09:41 AM
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u/Successful-Advanced Do you have a shareable online version of this outside of Reddit, or a PDF version?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/06/25 12:33 AM
2

Not even necessarily that feminism has to be eradicated ("cut out") entirely, just that it has to be reined in and not allowed to fester unchecked. There are aspects of feminism that have nothing wrong, but it got taken over by extreme misandry and somehow never challenged.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/25 05:49 AM
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I've no idea why you got downvoted. While I don't totally agree with OP, your descriptive vs prescriptive take on their interpretation of the term "masculinity" is pretty spot-on, I think. And society absolutely treats the concept of "masculinity" in a very prescriptive way (in addition to descriptively too). Your statement was totally reasonable and accurate.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/25 05:45 AM
1

Interesting. But you do use capital letters. Well, you could try adding periods at the end of what feels like a discreet statement. For example, after I wrote "discreet statement", I used a period to separate it from my "For example" portion coming afterward. You can disregard commas. Periods are more important.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/25 04:36 AM
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Sorry for Not using points and commas Hope its readable Rather than just going back and adding some punctuation to your stream of consciousness post, you instead couldn't be bothered but took the trouble to write a sorry note. Why?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/25 04:19 AM
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I suspected before even clicking on the link that this was going to be in the UK. Yo. People on Reddit who live in the UK, what on earth is happening over there? Do y'all bow and kiss the feet of every woman who passes? As bad as things can get in America regarding misandry, the UK is on a whole other level and men there just seem to tolerate it or encourage it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/05/25 09:06 PM
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Not all of these men went to prison for sex crimes alone. They may also have had other compounding charges, more so than the women who were punished for similar sex crimes. Therefore, when the sex crime related charges stack on top of other charges, it makes sense that the men are likely to end up with longer sentences overall. The article states: rapists of men and boys were also more likely to be given life terms Rape doesn't usually involve a life term, so that means there are probably aggrav…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/05/25 02:24 PM
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This movement is not about dismantling gender—it’s about reconstructing it into something better for everyone, ensuring fluidity, equity, and psychological freedom That is, in essence, dismantling gender roles, is it not? Maybe not exactly dismantling "gender" itself, but certainly dismantling "gender roles". It's a logical contradiction to maintain gender roles while also making them less defined.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/05/25 06:00 AM
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I guess. But, knowing that gang activity is harmful, and knowing that you have the option to simply not join the other cult but stay non-gang-affiliated, why do it? I guess people desperately need a sense of belonging? A need to fit in and be accepted by a bunch of other assholes I mean humans?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/05/25 03:33 AM
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Putting it that way makes a lot of sense. Still stupid, though. (You don't join the mafia just because you had a bad experience with the police.) But it makes sense.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/05/25 03:02 AM
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Your explanation makes sense, but is this something that people actually do in real life? In a B-movie plot, sure, but how often to real people do this? "Ouch, that sulfuric acid bath last week really melted my skin off and now I'm in great pain. I look forward to dunking my whole body in lye (sodium hydroxide) tonight because it's the opposite of a strong acid." ???
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/05/25 10:37 AM
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I mean, I get that, but I don't get it. You know what I mean? It's genuinely hard to hardstand intuitively. I could talk, just like you, about the supposed theoretical reasons why people gravitate toward those crazy things, but aside from the theory of it, it's hard to really connect to that on a feeling level. And also, it's so damn easy to detect the lies and the nastiness. How could other people be deeply drawn to that unless they too are full of deceit and nastiness?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/05/25 10:30 AM
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I can totally understand being pushed away by the "left" and by feminism. I can understand him wanting to try out some new "heterdox" ideologies that go against the mainstream. I can understand wanting to be "edgy" to a degree. I can't understand this: "idolizing Donald Trump and Elon Musk"; "Andrew Tate fan". If you can't see that those asswipes are toxic grifters then I don't know what to say. Nor can I understand being rabidly racist, antisemitic, and deliberately trying hard to be a brainles…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/05/25 06:28 AM
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Is there any reason/purpose why I should watch this 20-minute video? I'm assuming it's going to be just another feminist YouTuber explaining why men are bad and women are angels. I've learned to stop watching these morons long ago because they all have the exact same worldview and no unique insight. Is this "Dr. Ana" any different? Someone like Pop Culture Detective, on the other hand, is a rare exception. He's definitely extremely feminist, but unlike 99% of others, he actually has intelligence…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/05/25 01:19 AM
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I love Gabby's YT channel. It's really important to have a feminist woman who stridently advocates for men. Almost everyone else in the pro-male space is anti-feminist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/05/25 01:06 AM
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I'm not necessarily opposed to reverse-Handmaid's-Tale types of nonsense feminist fantasy porn, but it's gotta be done well and interesting. It would have to depict something more realistic and then grapple heavily with the weight of the inherent discrimination and bio-essentialism implied by its premise. Maybe Black Mirror could come closer to doing it justice. But this series sounds more like ... well, just dumb.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/25 03:52 PM
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Yeah, he has a curfew too.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/25 03:45 PM
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Oh, I see, thank you. That weird "chewed bubble gum" puritanical misogynist mindset.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/25 03:48 AM
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Transphobes see trans women as women and vice versa Oh really, now? Well, that solves a huge problem for you, then. You never have to use the phrase "transwomen are women" again because, according to you, everyone including even transphobes already believe it. Sounds like you've already won the war, nothing more to fight for. The noble cause of trans rights advocacy is finished! Hang up your hats, go home, relax! Unless, of course, you don't mean what you just wrote and you indeed still believe …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/04/25 09:06 AM
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I would be “tarnished” by men What did they mean by that? What does it mean to be "tarnished by men"?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/04/25 08:58 AM
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they are demonized the same way other minority women are Other minority women are accused of flashing their penises in changing rooms, preying on little girls, inflicting their cross-dresser fantasy on others, and pushing cis women out of sports? Huh? No, transphobia is not merely regular "misogyny". Nonsense. It's completely different. And hate directed at transwomen is almost entirely directed at their maleness "invading the sanctity" of female spaces. Literally every TERF and gender critical …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/04/25 08:56 AM
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We need more input from people who've actually watched the series. I haven't.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/03/25 05:39 AM
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True ☹️
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/25 10:15 PM
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I hear you my dude. It's a good strategy. I thinking using their own bigotry and hypocrisy to corner them into the logical outcome of their narratives is smart.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/25 02:26 PM
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LMAO, holy fuck dude. That's insane. People say "beyond parody" a lot, but that is literally beyond parody. 🤣
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/25 02:22 PM
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This can't be real. Do you have receipts? That would be hilarious.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/25 12:16 PM
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Welcome to most of Reddit, that's what happened.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/25 12:16 PM
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While most of the content tends to focus on feminism/misandry for obvoius reasons, many people here lean left politically and do promote left-wing policies. Whenever it becomes relevant to the discussion, you'll see people's politics come up. For example, I believe the vaaast majority of people in this sub are pro-choice and opposed to "trad" ideology (trad wives, traditional gender roles, etc).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/25 11:48 AM
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The last part "Brilliant" is sarcastic. The rest of it is sincere.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/25 11:38 AM
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Yeah, I think so too. Problem is that dumbass hateful online feminists always have to go for the maximally spiteful and catty interpretation of the term, as if alienating men will help their cause. Brilliant /s
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/25 09:56 AM
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Wow, I totally forgot about that feature. Mind blown. I was looking at the "Chat" box and I didn't even think about the "Messages" tab. I don't even fully understand what the difference is. Like, what's the difference between a direct "message" and a "chat"? I guess one supports live chatting and the other doesn't. Whatever. Anyway, Thanks a lot for pointing that out to me. I appreciate you.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/25 09:52 AM
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The Nazi's compared the Jews to a bowl of mushrooms of which some are poisonous and you don't know ... Feminists compare men to a bowl of M&M's and some are poisoned and you don't know.. Holy crap, I didn't know that. Thanks. I found this PDF which confirms exactly what you said (on page 1).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/25 12:08 PM
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Yeah, I hear that. It does really depend "on how the person is using it", absolutely.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/25 11:57 AM
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Agreed.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/25 11:55 AM
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A bit of a stretch. Think of the bro-llionaires right now: Bezos, Zuckerberg, Musk, Gates. Think of their industries. is "practically everything they do" for the attention and benefit of women? No, of course not. They're doing it for personal reasons like personal interests and ambition and greed. Sure, a lot of men are working for the benefit of their families and their wives, but most people are also working for themselves.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/25 11:54 AM
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Yeah, the Mott and Bailey aspect (regarding the dishonesty of mainstream feminist messaging) is a good way to put it that I hadn't thought of before.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/25 11:48 AM
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Am I the only one here that thinks there is a kernel of truth in the term "Patriarchy"? I feel the same way! some radical feminists Patriarchy is widely used in feminist discourse, both in online brainless social media rubbish as well as in academic circles, to mean a system in which virtually all men are complicit where the goal is explicitly to oppress and control women for the supposed benefit of men. I firmly disagree with this view of patriarchy. But, I do see the world patriarchy as a vali…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/25 11:46 AM
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Yes, I agree with this. However, I also believe we have to take the dark side of human nature into account. Unfortunately, Might is Right. Might = Right. It's not about what is right or wrong, it's not about morality, it's all about power. When people have power, they like to keep it; They don't like to be vulnerable. They don't like to be at the mercy some someone else's whims. Sexual power and reproductive power are also valid forms of power. If women have the power to leave you and choose oth…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/25 11:31 AM
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Pariarchy doeasn't exist beacause men don't get any help, privilege and power for being a man Those two things aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. I know that feminists use "patriarchy" in a ridiculous overbroad way. But, if we think of "patriarchal" as meaning controlled by the "patriarchs" then isn't it true to say that society has historically been (and to some extent continues to be) a "patriarchy"? patriarch {noun}: the male head of a family or tribe Imagine a situation where one brutal …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/25 11:16 AM
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It is difficult to avoid the obvious if you look at the makeup of boardrooms, political chambers, and the wealthiest people in the world. Sub response: downvoted. lol. I agree. The sheer weight of the facts are absolutely overwhelming in favor of a "historically male-dominated society". What word might we use for such a notion? It seems like the word "patriarchy" is not a wholly inaccurate description of this. It doesn't mean men = bad, that's just what feminism says, but feminism is full of cra…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/25 11:03 AM
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That was me, lol. You sent that message to me in the past. You and I were specifically arguing over the notion that "women co-authored the terms of their co-existence with men". We agreed on a lot but I couldn't get behind the notion that they had equal foot in co-authoring their gendered lives. Looking back, I could have been more patient with you rather than being argumentative because I really do appreciate the point you're making and I only disagree to a partial degree. I can't find the dire…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/25 10:51 AM
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women as well, are complicit in creating it. They create it every time they enforce traditional gender roles for men but not for women. They create it every time they decry non-traditional virgin men as incels. They create it every time they promote conservative values by selectively discarding equality when it benefits them. They create it when they practice hypergamy despite claiming to be a strong independent woman. Really great summary. Thanks.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/25 07:20 AM
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Thanks for these deep thoughts, I largely agree and find them insightful. Personally I do believe that when you actually take the time to examine the sheer dominance of males in the majority of positions of leadership, power, and economic influence then a system of "males holding the vast amount of control" becomes completely undeniable. It doesn't mean it is a system of intentional sexism or malevolent design. Could be a natural and unavoidable result of biology and psychology. But that dispari…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/25 07:16 AM
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If we take "Patriarchy" to mean specifically the "intentional systematic malicious oppression of females by males", then I think you're right that we can say it doesn't really exist in the USA today. However, just for kicks, what if we loosen that definition to something that is not intentional or malicious but instead circumstantial and coincidental? Something instead like patriarchy = "the unbalanced overabundance of economic and executive power in the hands of males compared to females". Not …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/25 06:57 AM
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I've tried to make this same argument myself in the past, but anti-feminist people really don't want to hear it. Ironically, if we actually used your term bobofekradodonkeplunge then it would get significantly less pushback here. It's like Obamacare. Say "Obamacare" to a conservative and they start foaming at the mouth. But if you say "Affordable Care Act" instead (despite obviously being the same thing) then they are much more amenable to thinking objectively. As soon as the word "patriarchy" i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/25 06:45 AM
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If power or resources are handed down patrilinearly, couldn't that be the basis for one limited definition of such a term "patriarchy"? I'm not saying that lines up with what feminists usually talk about, but theoretically could there be some valid real thing upon which to establish a term like "patriarchy"?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/25 06:31 AM
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I mostly agree with what you said. I think that's all pretty accurate. But, technically, I think my second option basically covers your interpretation: Patriarchy is totally real and impactful, but very different from how feminists usually portray it. Notice I wrote "very different".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/25 06:27 AM
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This is an interesting way to view it, thank you.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/25 06:22 AM
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Thank you, I found some content from Lindsey German that I'll check out.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/25 06:21 AM
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lol
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/25 06:19 AM
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There was basically an option for that: Patriarchy is probably a real thing, but is too overblown, overused, and not hugely relevant or impactful anymore. I meant "anymore" meaning "in the past".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/25 06:17 AM
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Yeah, that's the rub. Too many contradictory unsophisticated misandry-based nonsensical interpretations of "patriarchy" to have it be useful as a term anymore.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/25 06:08 AM
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Good point. The mainstream layperson view of feminism and feminist theory is even much dumber than the source material, but to be fair a huge amount of famous feminist scholars have themselves been putting forth incredibly stupid and toxic takes. For every fair-minded feminist viewpoint there are like at least 10 nimrod standpoints.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/25 06:06 AM
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Yes, to my understanding there is a small and not-very-vocal sect of feminism that takes this view, but it is a minority viewpoint and certainly very different from how feminist thought (or rather lack of thought) is portrayed via social media by online feminists. No one who learns about feminism via mainstream sources will receive this viewpoint you described.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/25 06:01 AM
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Sounds like your view roughly falls in line with my second option: Patriarchy is totally real and impactful, but very different from how feminists usually portray it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/25 05:58 AM
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As disgusting and infuriating as this sentiment is, at a certain point obviously people just started jumping on the bandwagon to be part of the comedy train and not because they genuinely had any feelings about the photos. And I have to guiltily say I found some of those replies hilarious. "I'd rather cook rice one by one." "I'd rather mop the sea." lol 🤣 Listen, I can't be angry all the time, those made me laugh.
/r/EverydayMisandry05/02/25 08:34 AM
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Ok, well in that sense I understand what you mean. It is definitely "Schrödinger's patriarchy" — it magically can become whatever feminists need it to be. I agree there.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/25 07:35 AM
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Your post, as it is written now (I don't know if you've edited it) is extremely non-antagonistic and non-accusatory, and I appreciate that. I totally have sympathy for you and want to open up a good faith dialog. I don't have any "fears", "hesitation", or "discomfort" engaging with you, at least not yet. haha.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/25 07:07 AM
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I have attempted multiple times to argue that patriarchy is a real thing on a high abstract level, but that individual men are not to blame for it. But most of the users in this sub really don't like hearing that. Just because the concept of "patriarchy" is ridiculously dishonestly overused and over-applied, doesn't mean it doesn't exist whatsoever. It really reminds me of people who say structural racism doesn't exist in America. Like, sure, I totally understand and agree that not everything is…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/25 07:02 AM
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cannot be defined Are you kidding? Maybe it can't be defined in a way that personally satisfies you, but obviously it can indeed be defined. The statement that it "cannot be defined" is untruthful.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/25 07:00 AM
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Great work. Please keep this going but with more sample data and more topics. Thank you.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/25 03:34 AM
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While what you said is true, the fact "Reddit is mostly male" only applies to Reddit as a whole, which includes 138,000 active subreddits. It cannot be assumed that men compose the majority of every sub, obviously. Women are well-known to prefer human-relationship forums and topics, so I would expect subs relating to "relationships" to have a far higher percentage of women compared to other subreddits such as politics, gaming, science, news, and informational subs — all of which are probably hea…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/25 03:30 AM
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Yes, reluctance to "take the win" and inability to determine friend from foe is part of what causes movements to fracture and fail. Allies don't have to be perfect or pass 100% purity tests.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/25 10:33 AM
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Reeves absolutely IS an ally. Just because he may be an imperfect ally doesn't mean he isn't one. The history of "allies" as a term and a general concept is people who sympathize with you enough to help you and fight for your side, but that doesn't mean they don't have disagreements with you. Movements fail when they try to alienate everyone who even remotely departs from their favored ideals. That is the folly of wokeism purity tests.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/25 10:31 AM
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Thanks, I'll check it out.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/25 08:34 AM
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The waist is debatable, but she clearly aggressively pats one guy on the buttocks in the video with the clear intention of mimicking sexual assault motions.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/25 12:20 AM
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As much as I want to agree, that's not technically true. There exists a tiny microsopic number of feminists who actually are pro-men. Probably much less than 0.1% of all feminists, but they do exist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/25 12:19 AM
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I think what Jessi was getting at is more like "there's no such thing as a pro Jew [antisemite]". Just a matter of terminology.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/25 12:16 AM
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Exactly. The biggest part of the problem is that men are raised and conditioned to never interpret this conduct as criminal or even immoral. I've read so many accounts from men who say that it took them years to consider the rape/assault they endured from a woman to be an objective problem. They simply blew it off and thought they were weak as men for even having an issue with it. I'm sure MAGA men in this video raised on old-fashioned values are especially unlikely to consider this woman to be …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/25 12:15 AM
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I was able to download the video (although weirdly it's broken into 5 ".ts" files, which is a format I'm not familiar with. So, maybe I'll try to stitch them together to create the full original 24-second video and post it somewhere for permanent reference before she likely deletes her substack post as well in an effort to remove all traces after the backlash piles up. Classic feminist viewpoint: men are not human therefore cannot be victims of assault.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/25 12:09 AM
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No, this is not normal. These weird creepy people are not representative of the average regular man. Don't trust the sketchy nonsense that your coworkers are telling you. That shit is NOT TRUE. Men are pro-social, considerate and benevolent just as much as women are. Men aren't sexual predators like how your coworkers are describing. The many, many men I've known are by and large kind, compassionate, and normal. There are exceptions, of course, and those exceptions cause a lot of heartbreak and …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/25 02:39 AM
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The men I've encountered like this are not traumatized or self-hating but are entitled and misogynistic Don't be so sure. People will strong negative personality traits are usually not truly self-loving. Negative traits, such as those accompanying narcissism, are often compensatory (e.g. trying to make up for extreme negative self-esteem): Despite outward signs of grandiosity, many people with NPD struggle with symptoms of intense shame, worthlessness, low self-compassion, and self-loathing. Ind…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/25 02:17 AM
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People want to reduce gender roles, but they lack the insight to understand the far-reaching implications of those gender roles and how much they actually expect them or lean on them. It's understandable and I have sympathy for that: it's very difficult to predict beforehand all the ways in which things will change when gender roles disappear, so it's not crazy that people care sometimes caught in a contradiction. But, people need to work harder on critical thinking and self-awareness and recogn…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/25 01:58 AM
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men care about men, women care about women This is not quite true. It's more accurate to say: men and women both care more about women. That's part of why advocating for men is hard, because most men care more about women than their own gender. research found that while both women and men have more favorable views of women, women's in-group biases were 4.5 times stronger than those of men. And only women (not men) showed cognitive balance among in-group bias, identity, and self-esteem, revealing…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/25 01:07 PM
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I think women are getting better in this respect with each generation. But the disparity is still there, of course. Men are also simply more natural risk takers, and taking initiative inherently involves taking a risk. Men will probably always been the primary ones on the vanguard of new innovations and new frontiers because men are less scared of taking risks. Men are simply more ok with the prospect of potentially breaking something. Obviously that audacity has plusses and minuses. It always a…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 11:16 AM
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Are you kidding me? I'm not trying to argue with an unreasonable person. And this comment isn't promising. I've seen you mention the "men are wonderful" effect in other comment threads, which isn't a real recognized thing as far as I know, and appears to be something you made up after learning about the actually real "women are wonderful effect" that has it's own Wikipedia article and scholarship. But, that's a tangent (that you brought up out of nowhere). What do you want? Seriously? Do you wan…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 10:04 AM
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She shows literally six (6) examples. Six. That woman has 16,500 followers. 6/16500 = 0.036%. You proved my point beautifully.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 10:12 AM
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u/SapphireRising225 For what it's worth, I think your post is totally valid. I think your assertion is accurate that a huge proportion of the "manosphere" (as diverse as it is) would sympathize with the murderer in the way that you describe. Which is very screwed up and obviously insane. I also think you are correct in stating that this is, in fact, the appropriate sub to discuss this kind of topic and that overly dismissive responses are likely guilty of some hypocrisy when the shoe is on the o…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 11:02 AM
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incredibly common theme amongst men No it isn't. That is the terminally online brainrot at work that the commenter is talking about. The vast majority of men don't think that way. But, I understand how seeing too much malginant human behavior online can give people on both sides a distorted view of the other. Now, speaking about redpillers specifically? There I would agree with you. It is an unfortunately common viewpoint among redpillers and manosphere guys. Interestingly, I think genuine men's…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 10:46 AM
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written by a guy that is still seriously struggling with the idea of what it means to be a man That's probably because he's trans. Maybe he's grasping at straws for wild notions of masculinity but approaching it from a distinctly AFAB perspective. Always interesting when trans people tell cis people what it actually means to be their gender. Like, they offer a great perspective, but they are extremely far from any authority on it. I dislike bullshit and I dislike dishonesty. Claiming that T-men …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/01/25 10:55 AM
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lol ok thanks for clearing that up
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/01/25 10:43 AM
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You didn't say anything new, and you didn't answer my question: "What is the significant difference between transandrophobia and misandry?". Can you give an example or in some way explain the difference?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/01/25 10:30 AM
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Why can't you just use the term "misandry"? What is the significant difference between transandrophobia and misandry?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/01/25 04:44 AM
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Yeah, and it's pathetic. They will make up mind-bending concepts like "transandrophobia" and reverse misogyny in a desperate attempt to avoid entertaining the notion that misandry is real. Their former female lived experience and disdain for men is clearly very dominant in their thinking, despite supposedly being men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/12/24 02:39 AM
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That was a perfectly nice video. Of course, dedicated men's retreats like in the video can be prohibitively pricey, but it's still good to see the issue talked about.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/12/24 10:28 AM
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I mean, what that person said is mostly accurate. If you aren't aware of how the majority of feminists view men's issues, then that's on you. If you'd like a quick education on how feminists respond to male advocacy concerns, then you should start talking with Reddit feminists about them. Go to a feminist subreddit such as AskFeminists, etc., and gently mildly gingerly ask about any men's issue and attempt to support that male issue in the comments. You will find out very quickly how incredibly …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/12/24 09:41 AM
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I don't have a strong feeling about the Barbie movie one way or the other, but I think you make some good points. However, I never said anything about Barbie. I think maybe you meant to reply to u/hefoxed but you responded to me instead.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/12/24 08:05 PM
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Agreed, either intepretation could be true. That she does or doesn't regret it. I'm not convinced either way. But they're both very possible. But I don't like that, clearly, a lot of people are attempting to put their own desired moral interpolation onto her. They personally find the sex train thing to be dirty and impure and sinful, and they are operating under the loaded assumption that "any sane person" would feel filthy and regretful in that situation, which is just projection. They might be…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/24 07:54 PM
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Definitely speak to a therapist or counselor. And advocate for yourself. If she's too toxic to be with, then split up. Don't continue to be in the same physical space with her. You can figure out the child custody issues and divorce issues when that time comes with the courts. For now, if you're struggling this badly, then you should physically separate yourself from her and seek therapy for help and advice with dealing with all this. You're catastrophizing a bit. Things aren't as bad as they se…
/r/MenSupportMen15/12/24 09:48 AM
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Yes, exactly. All of that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/24 07:09 AM
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Depressing. But thanks for the response.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/24 07:02 AM
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I've recently concluded that some mainstream Feminism is a combination of benevolent sexism towards women and outright sexism towards men, and thus instead of reducing sexism, we're double down on it Welcome to reality, lol. No, but jokes aside, this is a good first step for realizing that feminism as a movement (which is separate from feminism as an "platonitc ideal") is actually very toxic and hateful, despite also having good parts. I, like many people in this sub, used to be a staunch femini…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/24 06:17 AM
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Yes and no. Yes, the internet (and in some ways Reddit is perhaps the worst at times) amplifies groupthink and skewed ideologies. However, those biases are already there and are simply magnified online. The biases being displayed are nevertheless real. And that is disturbing. Probably the biggest difference is that in real in-person interactions people have a sense of humanity and empathy and recognition of common human-ness, and that strongly moderates their behavior and makes them much more pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 05:57 AM
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Yes, she was feeling the emotional impact and probably doesn't consider it to be a stress-free walk in the park, but she did not say she regretted it and in fact is still excited to do her planned "1000 in 24 hours" event. Not exactly a sign of regret when you're planning to do 10x more.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/24 05:50 AM
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Do you agree with the author that you are free to say and do things now that you were not free to before the transition? (Things not relating gender conformity, such as having a buzzcut). I'm really struggling to picture anything that justifies the authors' bold claims that their human freedom is so much greater as a male in the USA.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/12/24 02:42 PM
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Yeah, the sheer amount of intense misandry combined with brain rot is insane. People like the author are kind of like Schrödinger's-cat version of a man: cosplaying as a man yet completely rejecting all of the supposed toxic traits of manhood. They want to see themselves as one of the guys without any of the social downsides of being one of the guys. Seems very disingenuous. If you're truly a man in your heart then own it and don't treat yourself as an exception.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/12/24 02:37 PM
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It's nonsense. This clown needs to explain precisely all the ways that men are allowed to speak and act but women are not. Last time I checked, women are free to say and do whatever they please as much as any man and moreso. Seriously, I'm gonna need extensive evidence for that outlandish claim. Some wimpy thing like "I too shy to raise my hand in class as a girl" is not gonna cut it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/12/24 02:31 PM
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No, This was not a "very good" read. It was nearly insufferable. The author says some good things, but they are surrounded by a misandrist gynocentric perspective that cannot stop worshipping women and bashing men. Just the lack of critical thinking alone is nauseating. Why doesn't the author return to being a woman if they think women are so superior? It doesn't make sense. Edit: I mean, i understand that they suffered dysphoria and changed to match their preferred identity, and that's fine, bu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/12/24 02:23 PM
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young men are the ones who need to hear that message the most. That it's not "cucked" to champion for equality I hear what you're saying, but I view it a bit differently. There's an aspect that perhaps you're not taking into account. In our current world young men are told that they are toxic and undeserving and that they should be ashamed for feeling unwanted because they are very much, indeed, unwanted and justifiably so. That vicious spiteful anti-male messaging is the reason why they turn aw…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/12/24 01:43 PM
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we need to make men who value being strong and masculine welcome on the left I agree with you here. And I understand your desire to try to make a positive home for masculinity on the Left so that the Right doesn't scoop it all up. But, I actually think that it's better to lead by example rather than prescription in order to actually make the message palatable. And I think focusing on appreciating the beautiful side of masculinity more rather than demonizing it would help. This is a conversation …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/12/24 01:12 PM
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Be strong for those that need it fighting for those who are hurting be champions Why the hell are men supposed to be servants, saviors, and workhorses for other people? What is this regressive medieval mindset of antiquated gender roles? Why should men be expected to be this chivalrous knightly defender that you are describing? Why can't men just be strong and healthy within themselves? Sure, if people want to help others, then great, knock yourself out. But that shouldn't be some social expecta…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/12/24 01:01 PM
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Yeah, I agree that it's not a simple binary or even a "spectrum", it's more of a mess.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/12/24 10:45 AM
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The social left and the economic left are two entirely different things. Many people call "leftists" the economic left, and "liberals" the social left. The Guardian is pretty far-liberal but, as you said, they are not far-"left". That aligns with the Democratic party and wealthy American liberals: all the focus in on culture wars, completely unwilling to challenge Wallstreet.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/24 03:23 AM
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It's sad that the author and article is misandrist when, actually, the subtitle is on the money: "The allegations against the ‘MasterChef’ presenter show that if you are important enough and powerful enough your transgressions will often be overlooked. It’s time for that to change" It's about people in positions of power, not gender. The article does kinda explain this, but it can't help making it entirely from a one-sided perspective.
/r/EverydayMisandry04/12/24 07:15 AM
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This sub is very useful, among other things, for being a repository database of misandry examples that we can refer back to when trying to offer examples to other people. A way to collect some prime examples and show someone that yes, actually, misandry does indeed exist.
/r/EverydayMisandry23/11/24 12:31 AM
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Gotcha, thank you so much for providing that explanation. Yes, I'm vageuly aware enough of some of Peterson's arguments that I can kind of recognize/confirm what you mean. Yeah, the Kipnis theory makes a lot of sense to me too. Thanks again.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/11/24 03:39 AM
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Oh, I know. Trust me, I know. There's a tiny amount of schadenfreude seeing those misandrist assholes lose the election, even though I am also sad about the election myself.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/11/24 03:30 AM
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I don't mean to criticize your writing style, but the simpletons like me would appreciate a more concise and structured method of making your points. You keep linking to other extremely long rambling posts and YouTube videos, which sends the reader down a nearly infinite rabbit hole of reading endless text to uncover the gist of what you're actually trying to say. For example, you could briefly in one sentence explain the difference between Patriarchal realism vs idealism, and that would save th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/11/24 02:40 PM
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Remember the proverb: "you attract more flies with honey than with vinegar". The messaging from liberals/Democrats toward men has all been acidic, never ever sweet. The messaging from conservatives/Republicans has been much sweeter. It's really important to keep that dynamic in mind. Yes, I think the MAGA party has a lot of odious policies and does "play dirty" as you say, but that does nothing to undo the fact that Democrats use vinegar instead of using honey toward male voters, and that is obv…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/11/24 02:27 PM
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Can you explain what you are referring to as 'Jordan Peterson’s “pomo Marxist” bait-and-switch theory'? I tried to look that up but I couldn't find an explanation regarding what you mean by that. Also, I'm gonna check out that "Unwanted Advances" book, looks interesting, thanks for calling that out. Overall, I think we're in a weird time (during these past few decades) where there is a paradoxical clash between old and new ideologies: The new paradigm is, of course, that women should be viewed a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/11/24 01:31 PM
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Thanks for checking in. It's frustrating but I'm trying to allow some space and mild forgiveness for outrage and panic to make people more irrational and blame-happy than usual. At some point, though, men — especially liberal men — have got to regain their self-respect and stop bowing down and accepting being mistreated. They've got to stop saying "thank you, ma'am, may I have another" after each lashing. Currently, over-enthusiastic self-immolating white knights are dominating liberal circles.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/11/24 06:56 PM
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One huge problem is that Democrat ads and influencers usually give only one reason for men to vote Democrat: to support women. In other words, men should vote for the sake of other people, not themselves. That is not a winning campaign strategy if you actually think it through. Sometimes they'll talk about other issues like child tax credit or saving Democracy. But I cannot recall ever hearing a Democratic ad saying that the Democratic party would help specifically men. I think if they did then …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/11/24 12:22 PM
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That's giving waaay too much credit to their thinking/strategizing powers. In reality, they aren't playing 3D chess like that, they're just dumb, I think.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/11/24 12:11 PM
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I agree with what you said. I would just add that, for men, there's a unique issue of feeling utterly undesired that is extremely painful. Women can feel undesired too, but it's not like what many men experience. A lot of men, bizarrely, are insanely unpicky and will screw literally any warm hole. I don't understand that, but I can't deny the phenomenon. That means that women, no matter how unattractive they are, always have access to men who will desire to be sexual with them. Of course, trying…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/24 11:34 AM
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Yes, there certainly are some. Race essentialism is found in every ethnic group. I'm not saying that they're all equal because I think that white supremacy has been functionally a lot worse in effect, but the basis of such prejudice is shared everywhere.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/10/24 10:14 AM
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Lol, actually, not in their eyes. If you truly believe that all races are "happier" when they are separated (Black people in Africa, Asian people in Asia, Jews in Israel, white people in "white land"?) then you don't see that as racist, you see it as just realistic. So, they call themselves "race realists". It's not about hate, it's about making things "better" for everyone, so they often don't see it as racism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/10/24 10:46 AM
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The authors indicates toward the end that "A limitation of the present work is that it relies, for the most part, on self-reported attitudes. This leaves open the possibility that feminists denied their prejudice toward men for strategic reasons." Regarding the implicit association tests, those are saying something a bit different in my view. Because it's attempting to measure the pre-conscious attitudes, those things are actually operating at a level before higher-level reasoning. Feminist ideo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/10/24 12:16 PM
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Participants completed measures of feminism including identification, ideology, and actions, as well as attitudes toward men on explicit measures including warmth toward men, liking and trust, emotional reactions, ambivalence toward men, and collective anger. "How warm/favorable or cold/unfavorable do you feel towards men in general.” "How warm or cool do you think women who answered ‘yes’ [and ‘no’] to the question ‘Do you consider yourself a feminist” feel toward men?” "Men act like babies whe…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/10/24 11:10 AM
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If you ask Andrew Tate and other manosphere extremists, the vast majority will say that they do not hate women and that they are not sexist. There's a televised interview with a KKK member where they explain in full sincerity that they aren't racist. That's your answer right there. Villains don't think of themselves as villains. Giving people a survey asking "are you a bad person?" (AKA bigoted against other people) will — shockingly — result in people denying their bigotry. "We asked police dep…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/10/24 09:34 AM
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Agreed.
/r/EverydayMisandry13/09/24 04:58 AM
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It's sad because sexual power is not "real power". It is power, yes, but it will always be a dependent and superficial power that will never be the basis for any real power structure. It, ironically, makes women totally dependent on male favor — any power a women has via sex appeal is given to her by men. Aside from legions of admiring horny dumb men, no troops will follow you and no populace will trust in you based on sexual power.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/09/24 06:07 AM
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Exactly, it's because they want to have their cake and eat it too. Renouncing the power and esteem boost that comes with being the object of the gaze is a hard thing to give up. Some women would gladly give it up, but the truth is that most wouldn't, despite what feminist redditors may say. You'll see many women on here say, "I don't want it!" Sure, but you don't represent the majority of women, not by a long shot. Also, people speak out of both sides of their mouth: in other words, lack of self…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/09/24 05:58 AM
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LMAO, this comment has me rolling. 🤣🤣🤣 This person arguing with you seems unaware that they're just taking the bait.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 09:25 AM
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That's generally untrue, I think. Most people would (and do) choose to have something good temporarily rather than never have it. For almost everything desirably, people will take it even though it's fleeting.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 09:14 AM
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she might have seen a different side to a man who seems kind and respectful to you This goes both ways, and women don't tend to realize that. Women imagine that other women are non-violent and sweet and not-rapey and not-gropey, but that's because other women don't act that way toward each other. But, the way women behave toward men, especially when alone together, is very different from how women treat each other. So, this disparity in behavior applies very much to both genders. The difference …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/24 09:10 AM
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Gotcha, thank you.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/08/24 07:29 AM
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feeding a hungry tiger I had never heard this metaphor before. The explanation I found online was the idea of: the more you feed it, the bigger and scarier and more demanding it gets. Is that the way in which you were using the phrase?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/08/24 08:36 AM
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Al people are entitled to respect, basic decency, human rights, health, freedom, bodily autonomy, and other fundamental essentials like shelter, safety, etc. So, it's not true that people "are not entitled to anything".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/08/24 09:12 AM
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My dude, you can't just post a 49 minute video with no explanation. Throw us a bone and at least give us a quick summary of the relevant points from the video so we don't have to watch the whole thing if we don't have time.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/08/24 12:34 PM
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Ok. Not relevant to anything I said because I never even slightly suggested that men are or should be leaders of women. Sounds like you're responding to male voices you've heard in the past? Either way, you don't seem to be talking to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 10:44 AM
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Yes? But I'm not in the military, so it's hard to answer definitively based on speculation. That's a weird question to ask because we're not in that situation currently, we're talking on Reddit. It sounds like your entire view on military culture and justice is based on your own personal hypotheticals divorced from actual facts. I'm not saying that you're 100% wrong, but I disagree with basing assumptions on that huge degree of opinionated speculation.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 10:41 AM
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I'm not asking you to take risks or to take my word for anything. But, assuming the worst all the time and taking on a perpetual victimization perspective in the world is not healthy and is not empowering. It might even be doing a lot more harm for women than good. If you're not already aware of it, let me state two well-known indisputable facts: Men (especially in the USA) are overwhelmingly the more frequent victims of violent crime. Women are far more scared of crime than men are. studies con…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 10:33 AM
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It's a bad sort of humor whether directed toward men or women. I don't like it and I don't use it. Agreed! And yeah, certainly disparaging humor aimed at women's bodies has a long tradition in the past, but as you noted, that has changed these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/24 09:26 AM
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When I see this, it's been as a counter to his demand that society control women more That's often true, but it's more than just that. Society makes fun of men for having "small dick energy", etc. The short guy and small dick jokes are endless and constant, and complaining about it causes people to merely double down. "That guy complaining about small D jokes must have a suuuper micro D, hahahahahaha." Why don't we hear more cavernous flappy vagina jokes, or quips about how a woman has "small ti…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 08:34 AM
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This is an interesting perspective, thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 08:30 AM
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Sounds fine to me. I think I may also agree with what another woman posted in another comment: "financial abortions should be legal. But with caveats and rules. Men need to make the decision and sign an affidavit at least 2 months before a woman's abortion deadline" So, that idea of needing to make a decision before a certain point in order to successfully be freed of financial burden should probably apply to both parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 08:15 AM
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Sounds totally reasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 07:27 AM
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Absolutely. Why shouldn't they?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 05:50 AM
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too many men really mean "i should be able to raw dog women with no consequences" with no understanding Possibly. I'm sure there are a not-insignificant amount of shallow irresponsible men like this. But, I'm also confident — based on the tone and timbre of arguments I hear coming from many women — that a lot of women are assuming the worst and imagining men as more villainous than is realistic, which is par for the course in places like Reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 05:50 AM
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Yeah, that sounds like an extremist viewpoint rather than grounded in reality. Wikipedia stats do not agree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 05:46 AM
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Umm ... sure? I'm not sure what you're trying to say. My point is that "what goes around comes around", and if you put out hostility then you should expect hostility, and that goes both directions.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 05:42 AM
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This is a strawman. It wasn't meant to be an exaggeration/strawman. That was my genuine impression. Of course, I could have a skewed view from my limited engagement there. Because feminist activism, feminist policy goals, feminist leadership, and feminist organizations are by and large hostile to men. The same could be said about Isrаeli vs Pаlestinian organizations: they are "hostile" toward the other. Does that mean they should outright reject or condemn them all? How could they ever find a co…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 05:40 AM
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Those ICU stories you shared were horrifying. In my opinion, male-perpetrated violence is one of the biggest problems in our modern world, up there with things like climate change and economic inequality and corruption, etc. It's sad and maddening. I think people are just used to it because it's always been that way; for thousands of years, tales of war and conquest and defending honor, blah blah, almost exclusively the realm of men. I think people don't question it, don't imagine that we don't …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 05:28 AM
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While I appreciate the point you're making, it doesn't really say much. It just says that a substantial amount of humans have virtually no standards or are hypocritical or just plain stupid. This is not news and it applies to men equally as women. Imagine whoever is supposed to be a super hot babe these days. Megan Fox, Ariana Grande, Scarlett Johansson? Whoever y'all think is attractive. Now, imagine that celebrity was tried and convicted with absolute proof that they tortured and murdered seve…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/08/24 05:02 AM
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lol, nice try. You're confusing "don't support women" with male advocacy, which is an infantile and obviously false strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 02:10 AM
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True.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 02:08 AM
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The Golden Rule: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." As long as you are A-Okay with men who make no effort to treat women with kindness, dignity, or respect because that man has suffered abuse from women at some point in his life .... then sure, your argument is valid. If you want to use past trauma as an excuse to behave in a self-justified bigoted manner toward an entire group of people, then you must be ok with everyone else also doing the same to you. I am 99% sure you are n…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/24 12:43 AM
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I'm pretty sure "misogyny" was meant in sarcastic quotes.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 12:32 AM
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If women want to complain about how much they want lasting relationships, it’s logical that we will find a lack of long-term partner weird and pathetic. Cuts both ways if you think about it like that. Women should expect to receive however much kindness they give.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 12:24 AM
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I agree with that. Men do more physical damage overall. Even when considering vastly disproportionate under-reporting — in other words, men are MORE likely to not report DV than women are — I still believe the numbers would skew greatly in the direction of men causing more physical harm. However, what you said has nothing to do with what I said, so I don't follow why you commented it. I said that "for the same crimes" the criminal justice treatment is different, which doesn't make sense other th…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 12:19 AM
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Thanks for providing that. military sexual assault rates are twice as high as civilian rates That's sad. But I would guess a number of different industries are like that, unfortunately, such as the entertainment industry. Yet, that doesn't stop women from enthusiastically joining them. I'm not sure that rises to the level of "goes out the window" rather than "risk that needs to be mitigated".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 12:13 AM
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Why are you even in this sub?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/24 12:00 AM
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I agree about talking with MRAs, but I also have that same experience with women in feminist subs. Not only to they not want to concede anything, but also they gang up on you and discourage each other from giving an inch by painting you as Incel Hitler for suggesting that men even have disadvantages sometimes. For both sides it's tribalism to the max.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 11:13 AM
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This is the kind of low-effort mindless take that is so common on social media. Your little quip is trying to imply that feminism is nothing more than "women's rights" which is patently untrue. In the same breath, would you also say that Mens Rights is nothing more than equal rights for men? Or could you be open to the idea that both movement have negative aspects?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 11:09 AM
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Interesting observations, thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 11:03 AM
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There aren’t separate guidelines in prosecuting DV. Assault is assault. The perpetrator gets arrested. If both are injured both get arrested. This is not completely correct. There are sometimes different laws and different prosecutorial policies. Arrests, charging, convictions, and sentencings are all treated differently for men versus women. It's similar to black people vs white people. On paper they're supposed to be treated the same, but in reality black people are criminalized at much higher…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 11:00 AM
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paper abortions It's nice to hear you say that. In conversations with women, it seems like one of the hardest points to find agreement is paper abortions. While I've extensively read and hashed out their legitimate arguments against it in the past, all of the rational arguments I have encountered ultimately fall insufficient in my viewpoint — provided, of course, that the requirements you listed are met: both parties are treated fairly and medical abortions are totally legal and accessible. The …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 10:53 AM
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lots of guys on that sub are assholes that want to complain the wimmins is too slutty Yeah, that's why I can't engage with the MRA sub. It's waaaaay too biased, and waaaay too conservative. The "red pill" manosphere has too much of a medieval mentality to it. Even in less extreme MRA spaces, there's often too much mixing up a legitimate masculist ideals with anti-feminist trauma-dumping. I have tons of problems with modern feminism, but trashing the whole movement is really missing the mark. Mas…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 10:38 AM
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I'm not sure if you're talking about the USA military. If so, can you provide statistics on that? Admittedly, sexual assault is an unfortunately common thing, for both genders, in the military. But the idea that there so much male-on-female rape that female conscripts are infeasible is an extreme viewpoint that I'm not aware has sufficient evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 10:32 AM
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For sure. For literally every other endeavor in life it is taken obviously for granted that a person has to put in effort to reap greater rewards rather than just sit on their ass and wait for success to plop down into their lap. Everyone knows this. It makes sense that dating would be the same way, yet many women seem to not have this viewpoint, and instead have the "knight in shining armor will swoop me up" philosophy. Well, you may get "swooped" up, sure, but you might find it dusty inside th…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/24 10:26 AM
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Thanks! I just watched Parts 1 & 2. Really well done. Good resource to refer back to.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/24 08:56 AM
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Interesting, thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 06:10 AM
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What you said is not untrue, so I'm not refuting your point. However, I think what OP is pointing at is the frustration men feel in regard to so many women (particularly on Reddit) speaking out of both sides of their mouth — in other words, many women hypocritically criticizing romantically interested men for not starting with friendship and then giving men crap when they do start with friendship. It's the failure to take accountability for that hypocrisy that is irritating. For one thing, it un…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/24 05:34 AM
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The study I linked showed that during wins DV also spiked, but not as high as during losses. I think the losses stat are theorized to be explained because people are in worse moods compared to winning?
/r/EverydayMisandry19/07/24 03:45 AM
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I understood the comparison you were making, and I don't disagree. Plenty of reason to be suspicious. But I think the opposite could also be plausibly true: that there is a measureable spike in domestic violence (from both genders) purely because of there being a spike in alcohol consumption and roudiness, along with spikes in things like public disorder and destruction of property. That's all.
/r/EverydayMisandry19/07/24 03:08 AM
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Well, that was about the American Super Bowl in 1993, and what I was referring to was about UK football records from "Greater Manchester Police between 2012 and 2019". So, I do think the Snopes article isn't sufficient evidence to completely dismiss the research I cited. However, I also admit that it throws cold water and significant doubt on the claims. So much so that I retract what I said and have deleted my previous comment because I can't adequately justify it. After all, the UK isn't exact…
/r/EverydayMisandry14/07/24 11:40 PM
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But, that's not inherently misandry. That's just being skeptical of anti-feminism. Anti-anti-feminism is not equal to misandry.
/r/EverydayMisandry14/07/24 05:49 AM
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I hate misandry, but what in this post is misandry? The 38% stat might seem to be a little misandrist (because it's domestic violence generally, not just female victims), but all the other points do not seem misandrist to me.
/r/EverydayMisandry13/07/24 10:20 PM
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What is the point of having sex with someone casually but not even wanting to date them and make it official? Different people want different things. Simple as that. Relationships require work and emotional investment, vulnerability, compromise, forbearance, etc. Many people (both women and men) are at places in their lives where they aren't looking for that. Sometimes people are traveling or in flux and they aren't going to be located in the same location for any length of time, but they still …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 10:04 PM
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I will be doing an experiment from a males POV with my boyfriends pictures Definitely, please do this!! But also approach it from a perspective of seeing how much engagement you receive as a male compared to a female. You should plug your final data into some basic charts/graphs and make it visual.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 09:57 PM
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I don't know what you're referring to precisely, but I disagree with you speaking for male sexuality generally in such aggressive and stark terms.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 05:16 AM
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This is such an irrelevant answer and is virtually copy-pasted from the most hackneyed response of "women are unique, magic!✨". Stating the obvious isn't addressing the post. OP wasn't talking about different women having different opinions, instead OP said "Reddit vs. Reality". That's a very different distinction. People's behaviors and stated opinions are weirdly different in online spaces compared to in person.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/24 05:02 AM
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lol, so men are screwed then because that's never going to happen, I'm sad to say. It's pathetic that many men will stoop to virtually any level for tail. I mean, OnlyFans and similar services are billion dollar industries. So many guys will throw away money for the tiniest blip of attention from attractive women. I wish it wasn't like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/24 04:09 AM
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You could try incorporating this: "If you're going to negatively generalize about men based on the poor behavior of some, then I'm going to generalize negatively about women based on the poor behavior of some. You cool with that?" Or: "dumbass isn't even derogatory and I'm just being sensitive" "Well then, shut up dumbass. Don't be sensitive now. 😁" I don't tolerate any gender war BS from any friends or acquaintances of mine, woman or man, and you shouldn't either. But, in real life (outside the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/07/24 04:01 AM
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most men on here / men as a group complaining about women as a group / viewed them as people Is this supposed to be satirical? OP directly, explicitly, and firmly lumps men into a group category and overgeneralizes them as a group unit, and then immediately calls for men to not think of women as a group. I'm having difficultly believing if this is authentic.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 10:28 PM
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All these acronyms that you're just expected to know are annoying. Maybe I'm just dumb, but what is "AP" supposed to mean? Adultering Partner? After Party? Associated Press? Advanced Placement?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 10:19 PM
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No, you are either intentionally or unwittingly moving the goal post about how people speak of "gendered" violence. They mean Violence Against Women. That is synonymous with gendered violence. This means the focus in on the victim, not the perpetrator. I agree that the overrepresentation of male perpetrators is the biggest problem, but the perpetrators are not the focus, the victims are the focus. I disagree that women as victims should be the focus because more men die.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 09:43 PM
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Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 09:35 PM
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Got it. Yes, that's Rule 11.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 09:34 PM
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Um... ok, thanks? Sounds like classic concern trolling? I hope you also serve others rather than misery and hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/24 09:32 PM
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Thank you.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/24 09:27 PM
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It appears that the original comic and posts/users related to it have all been deleted. Does anyone know if there is a non-deleted instance of the comic anywhere on the internet so that latecomers like me can actually see what all the buzz is coming from? The artist is complaining of being spammed with thousands of messages, so I don't want to bother them now.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/24 06:52 PM
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I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that CardiB wouldn’t get close to half of the country agreeing that she should essentially set policy as the most powerful person in the free world. You could say the exact same thing about the majority of convicted rapists. I don't see your point. Millions and millions of men are virtually fist bumping him because they agree with and feel validated by his non-apologetic misogyny. Maybe. Some men for sure, granted. But I think you're likely overestimating …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 07:34 PM
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Good points. I think blackness or other intersectional traits have to be separated out. In the USA, if you take a nondescript human template and add the "female" attribute then concern for that human increases. If you then add the "black" attribute, concern decreases. So, being a black female does not undo the positive female effect, instead it just counteracts it, if you see what I mean. You would have to compare black females to black males, and I'm pretty confident the media doesn't care more…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 07:14 PM
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Indeed, I just noticed your username! "always right" 😂 Why are you even on this sub if you're not interested in changing your mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 07:05 PM
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I think you're partially right, but I also think maybe you haven't considered it from the opposite perspective. Consider a woman who was "found guilty of and brags about sexually assaulting (men), routinely disparages (men) based on their gender, appearance, weight etc." Would the consequences for this theoretical woman be worse than for a man? Or would people (conservatives in this example) disregard that stuff and rally around them anyway if they saw that person as their political messiah? Are…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 07:03 PM
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Yes, it makes sense. You're totally correct that males are vastly overrepresented as violent perpetrators against both genders, and to me that is the biggest issue. Male perpetration of violence is a horrible plague in my view, a scourge that desperately needs to be addressed somehow. But, the demographic dynamic you point out, while true, is not the whole story. Women killed/victimized by other women also tend to over-perform in news and public attention. Women who go missing (no perpetrator) r…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 06:51 PM
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It seems like you're reaaaaally pushing the line of honesty on that denial. You said pointing someone's misogyny results in punishment, which is very close.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 06:40 PM
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Yes, but we're talking about misandry here and your statement that "misogyny is absolutely far more prevalent and definitely worse than misandry". Do you have any interest in learning more about misandry or are you not looking to actually engage?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 06:37 PM
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I totally appreciate your comments on this and your apparently firm commitment to be a fair and egalitarian feminist rather than just a grievance-driven trauma-dumping "hater" as you put it. Your personal brand of feminism is laudable and virtuous and I applaud that. However, I have to disagree a little bit on a conceptual/philosophical level regarding what is "true feminism". Let me explain: Are you aware of what's called the "No True Scotsman" logical fallacy? In this form of faulty reasoning …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 06:32 PM
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Does this refer to Rule 11? I'm not exactly sure what "circlejerk" means when in this context since I can't see the deleted comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 06:18 PM
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> Anti-female sentiment kills and harms. You watch the news. This is not as much of a winning argument as you may assume. For every woman killed on the news there are far more men killed, but those deaths are deemed far less "newsworthy" because the routine killing of men is seen as too ordinary and unimportant to gather many headlines. In fact, most people are actually sadly unaware that men are by far the most common victims of violent crime overall, especially murder, and the margin is not ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 06:14 PM
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That's not what I said It appears that is, in fact, what you said: This sub alone is absolutely chock full of misogynist posts. Nothing done about it. Point out someone is a misogynist and you're banned. You appear to be saying that "nothing is done" about misogyny and punishment is only doled out to those who point it out. Unless I'm misinterpreting you?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 05:48 PM
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Most people do not notice misandry unless it is explicitly pointed out. Over time, as you start to notice it more and more, your perspective might change on which you think is more or less prevalent. It's kind of like white people who don't notice racism until an extensive pattern of examples is pointed out over and over again. If you're actually interested in seeing it more, you could check out the sub everydaymisandry.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 05:43 PM
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Yes, true. Although, in defense of OP's point, it's not all just "some" vs "some". Tendencies and imbalances do exist where is "less" vs "more", so we can't equivocate or make it sound like it's all equal. In case what I'm saying isn't clear, consider applying your language to the example of racism. "Some black people have negative experiences and some white people do too." (just for example.) That would make it sound like we're handwaving away the disparity that one group suffers more of the pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/24 05:41 PM
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"(Men)struation" lmao, come on, this is a little bit hilarious. Yes, it's misandry, but this is so silly it's also kinda funny.
/r/EverydayMisandry07/07/24 05:43 AM
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menslib is NOT in any way a "left wing male advocate" sub. It is exclusively a "force pop-feminist ideology down your male throat" sub for self-flagellating men. I made the mistake of thinking I could have a productive discussion there. I was perma-banned for criticizing extreme wokeness. The moderator told me directly that using the word "woke" caused him to ban me. It's called "menslib" because their conception is men will "liberate" themselves from patriarchal influence, I think.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/24 11:29 AM
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he started to told me that I was a whore and inferior Whoa. Sorry to hear that. There's an obvious difference between mild sexist attitudes toward women and verbal abuse which is what you suffered. Women won't usually tolerate outright abusive putdowns, but outdated attitudes about women's place in society isn't as off-putting as hearing "you're a fcking whore!". Those old-fashioned attitudes often don't become apparent for a little while, and the first couple dates are usually driven by attract…
/r/ExRedPill26/04/24 10:49 AM
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Thanks for taking the time to respond in depth. My apologies for taking a while to get back to you. ​ We don't call that adults oppressing children. Yeah, that's a great point. Acknowledged. But if we're talking about adult men and women here, then doesn't something seem amiss here if a comparison to treating women like children is an apt comparison? There is something infantilizing about "taking care of things" on behalf of women who have always wanted and deserved more power than what men actu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/24 04:29 AM
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Not all power is institutional. Certainly! I didn't say they held "all power". But the majority of power, yes. Of course women also have always held power too, both institutional and otherwise, especially within families and social groups. I push back on the idea that it was built by men. I don't think you can describe history this way without it sounding like a conspiracy by men against women Yes we can. You would agree, of course, that society was "built" by the able-bodied and able-minded. Do…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/24 04:49 PM
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Around them or by them Both. By men, around men, centered upon men. Of course women also occupied some privileged statuses within that system too, depending on the context. But it was built by men centered on the wills and whims of men. How is this controversial? It's just factually accurate. And no, not the majority of men, like I already said. Elite men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/24 02:20 PM
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It's just a term, and it makes sense to call it patriarchy, but if you want to call it something different then fine. This counterargument is so tiresome. Here's the logic, right: "Thing-X often harms members of X, therefore Thing-X must not exist." Like, obviously that is a fallacious nonsensical type of argument. Zionism hurts Jews, therefore "so called" zionism isn't real? The military sacrifices it's own members (called soldiers) therefore the "so called" military doesn't exist? The term "pa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/24 01:56 PM
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I get where you're coming from. You're not wrong. In the UK the Brexit voting block is definitely solidly white men, very receptive to xenophobic ideologies. I don't know about this sub in particular, but sometimes Reddit can be annoying because there is clearly a bias sometimes toward belligerently overconfident white men with far too high of an estimation of their own intellect and no willingness to question their own assumptions. AskALiberal is full of them, and also happens to be be extremel…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/24 11:20 AM
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we have even less of a right to complain about the struggles of being a man To the contrary, for quite a while I've wanted trans men to speak up more because they have a rare and unique perspective that is very different from trans women. I wish that trans men would talk about male issues more and lend legitimacy to masculism. Who better could clearly say, "look, I used to live as a female and now that I live as a male these are the new difficulties I face"?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/03/24 08:44 PM
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But, what does "negating power" mean? It requires some degree of power to get anything done or implement any programs. There has to be a power-backed decision-making process that deliberates on things and then executes them. Otherwise very little will ever happen. Are you coming at this from a libertarianism standpoint?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/24 12:40 PM
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Well, you certainly have some strong views. You seem to be describing a serious concern that the underlying motive is not pro-social collectivism but instead cynical self-interest for Progressives as a whole. Hell, maybe you're right about most supposed "progressives". Humans are ... difficult, after all. But some people are in it for genuinely universalist motives.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/03/24 02:46 PM
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Whatever you choose to do, I wish you luck. You deserve love and sanity! Don't forget to focus on your own health and valuing your own feelings.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/02/24 01:22 PM
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She acknowledged that she radicalized herself in reaction to prior abuse and made an engagement to do better and asked me to help her with that. Well, that was good at least. Restores a slight amount of faith in humanity. Hopefully she actually absorbed that and made a change.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/02/24 01:19 PM
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Yeah, use their tools against them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/02/24 01:12 PM
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Sure, I absolutely get what you're saying. You have a good points about trying to separate out things things and viewing political ideology in more of a 2D spectrum (or even 3D) rather than a false binary. Agreed. I wasn't intending to say I that endorse the binary perspective, just that the distrust of authoritarianism (to an almost paranoid degree sometimes) is something I didn't understand well before I stumbled on that video. Thanks for checking it out, btw. My understanding of "Progressivis…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/02/24 01:09 PM
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How good is the sex? The way you've described it here, this relationship is doomed. If you know what's good for you and you aren't seeking a painful existence then you should not look for a deep partnership with this woman. She is a bad partner. Your resentment is already starting to build up and it will only get worse and worse. Not being able to defend yourself and voice your opinion honestly is toxic and almost always destroys relationships eventually. It will inevitably lead to contempt. Do …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/24 03:52 PM
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Your perspective is interesting. I don't fully agree — you seem to be more cynical about progressives and human nature than I am. But I definitely partially agree, even largely agree. There's no questioning a friend if they really deserved that job or only got it because they're a white male or whatever. Actually, this does happen, and it happens a lot more than you think. I've seen people, friends, confront each other about things like this before. "I'm uncomfortable that you're doing this as a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/24 03:03 PM
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100%, I get you. And, the level of hostility from feminist/adjacent women towards men is wild. For some reason other liberal men generally are on the self-whipping train for some reason. If other men pushed back against the hostility more then most of these women would change (not all but most). Human behavior is generally shaped by what is seen as acceptable within social spaces. We conform with the herd, follow the flock. There is no pushback for talking crap about men, rather it's quite in vo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/24 02:37 PM
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him not worrying about his physical safety to the same degree, her not worrying about being assumed to be a criminal Haha, I totally understand what you're trying to say, but coincidentally this statement is hilariously inaccurate. A black man is incomparably more physically in danger than a white woman. That's part of what feminist rhetoric gets extremely wrong. The statistics of a black man being assaulted (even by an unknown stranger) is many, many times greater than a white woman. Anyway, I …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/24 02:30 PM
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This isn't necessarily a popular opinion, but I believe that you can't really help the world much outside of improving yourself. Human beings, since time immemorial, have always screwed everything up because their own faults and inner insanity/internal conflict get mixed into every human endeavor and manifest as dysfunction. Every institution, every policy, every movement, etc., will be poisoned by this aspect of dysfunction that we humans bring to it. We can't make things better and fix the dys…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/24 02:17 PM
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I think that's a reasonable take. I agree with you at least 75%, although I probably don't see this sub quite as negatively as you. I do wish there was more intelligent posts and less shallow emotional venting (what you seem to be calling "drivel"). You're right, those aspects are the same side of the "shitty coin": upset people venting their negative feelings toward the other side. What I greatly appreciate is the ability to actually have a genuine discussion where you can put forth your hetero…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/24 04:20 PM
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Yeah, this makes sense. I appreciate the moderation experience of this sub that I've seen so far. As of yet it hasn't become super ban-happy and power-tripping, so that's great. Hope it doesn't change.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/24 04:07 PM
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Brother in arms.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/24 04:14 PM
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I didn't find that article to be particularly informative. The results pretty much demonstrate the obvious which we already know: 1) Women are more concerned than men are about low-female/high-male disparities. This will generally be true for any group disparities. 2) Women are more likely to think sexism/discrimination is involved AND they are more supportive of affirmative action. Note: this is true in all cases for both male- AND female-dominated jobs. 3) Both men AND women view sexism as a c…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/24 04:00 PM
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There is big difference between "the left" and this sub. their expectation for men to act as uncompensated workhorses for women's safety, solely because of a generalized notion that "men are bad." I'm not an expert on this sub, but from my interactions that is not the case at all. People in this sub are plenty adamant about not working for or submitting to any feminist notions about protecting women as if they are children or self-chastizing for being male/masculine. You're thinking of MensLib, …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/24 02:47 PM
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“My son is reluctant to go to school due to bullying by a group of girls,” says one woman from Derby, who wants to remain anonymous. “He feels that there is a big power difference in schools, where boys are always punished, not listened to, and not believed.” Isn't that funny how the one parent who's sticking up for her son is so terrified of backlash that she wants to stay anonymous. Yet, all the other blowhards pushing the feminist viewpoint can speak their minds confidently without fear. That…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/02/24 01:38 PM
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Welcome to the Non-Tribe. When you're not part of the tribe, you'll be attacked. People cannot comprehend not being in a tribe, so they will assume you're secretly a member of the enemy tribe. It's the same psychology as 20,000 years ago. How to deal with it? I don't know. It gets to me, too, and it raises my bloodpressure when dealing with these hypnotized people. I've learned to try harder to stick to presenting quotes and facts, and then use people's own words against them by quoting them exa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/24 06:15 PM
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I think one could argue that Feminism, when done right, is for everyone. Just like Masculism, done right, is for everyone. Of course, feminists aren't really doing it that way. Also, it's not necessarily wrong or unreasonable that a movement is solely dedicated to helping the target of that movement. Should the movement for Lou Gehrig's Disease also try to be working for Alzheimer's? The main difference is that Lou Gehrig's disease advocates aren't trying to stifle and eradicate any progress on …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/24 04:43 PM
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Thanks for your insight. Yeah, that makes total sense. erasure of the male/female identity as a whole I hate to sound like I'm contradicting you, haha, but to be honest I don't really have a problem with seeing what happens if/when gender roles are completely "erased". I see them as being performative and part of a assumed identity rather than real, inherent, inalienable part of a person. I see masculine/feminine as modalities of human expression that we all exhibit and embody in various ways to…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/01/24 02:41 PM
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I think the "iconic" or "idealized" role of men in relationships is breaking down and being transformed and in a state of flux. Because of that, there simply is no new ideal yet; no new symbol or coherent role model; no clear part to play anymore. And that lack of clarity is awkward. That is naturally uncomfortable and feels weird. There are lots of dumb opinions out there, and lots of unhelpful misandrist bullshit telling men what to do, but overall we just don't have a mainstream clear end-poi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/01/24 03:53 AM
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Wow, ok then. Save us from the evil Britannica and Wikipedia cabals. Paranoid much.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/09/23 05:09 AM
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From that Oxford dictionary, you conveniently left out: "or a feeling that women are not as good as men" Don't play, you know that the term encompasses more than just the denotation of "hatred". I'm not making anything up. You're being purposefully limiting in what you will allow to be defined. Here's some more definitions: misogyny, hatred or prejudice against women, typically exhibited by men. It is generally accepted that misogyny is a consequence of patriarchy (male-dominated society), and t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/09/23 03:21 AM
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This is a very shallow understanding of "misogyny". I think conservatives also see racism that way, too. Like racism only exists when someone is screaming the N word while chasing black people with chainsaws, otherwise no one is ever racist. Um. No. It's a little more subtle than that. Racism is primarily implicit unconscious bias that causes people to behave differently towards people of a different race based on prejudiced preconceived notions. Therefore, everybody, literally everybody, has at…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/09/23 12:18 AM
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"Misogyny has no scientific basis of any kind ... no evidence for hostile sexism" Excuse me? I'm all for male advocacy and eliminating misandry, but I also live in the real world rather than fantasy land. Of course misogyny has existed for a long time and continues still, although has thankfully abated greatly. Why can't people understand that both things can be true at the same time: Sexism against women and sexism against men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/09/23 11:50 PM
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the better looking you are the more of an "it factor" you have or potentially have. Yes, can't argue there.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/08/23 01:05 PM
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It was both. Yes, he was decently attractive but nothing to write home about. It was the manner in which he conveyed that wink that I think also had a big effect.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/08/23 12:01 PM
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Thanks. An ugly (even average looking) guy who's mysterious, playful/dangerous with cocky confidence won't get women drooling. I'm not sure about that. Consider the case of Ed Sheeran, an average definitely not hot guy who is super crushed on by lots of women because of his charm. Also consider Benedict Cumberbatch, Adam Driver, maybe even Joaquin Phoenix. Guys who really are not particularly attractive in the face but that have significant female crush fan bases. A former colleague of mine shar…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/08/23 11:59 AM
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You're right, I may have overstated my point. I may be underestimating how much women like people like Cavill and Hemsworth for their muscular physiques. However, as shown in my links (not sure if you were able to check them out) men do consistently overestimate women's attraction to muscles. And the big guys are never the most successful with women. Your entire argument seems to be in essence, that Mens' inherent shallowness somehow prevents them for understanding that Women are not as shallow …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/08/23 07:24 AM
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Are you kidding me? The Beatles not sexualized? lol. Hot take.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/08/23 03:54 AM
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Actually, it's true that most women aren't really attracted to "too much" muscles. Surveys have been done and the results I've seen always point to women preferring men who are thinner and less muscular than men themselves would think. Also, think of the pop icons that women and girls have swooned the most over for decades: Brad Pitt, Harry Styles, Elvis, Jude Law, Ryan Reynolds, George Clooney, Bradley Cooper, Channing Tatum, Ryan Gosling, etc. Guys who are toned but not big. It's never Arnold …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/08/23 03:53 AM
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To be extra clear, I do not want "small penalties". I already said: "I do believe that there should be criminal punishment for false reports." I said that "even a small amount of prison time" would be meaningful, but I advocate for "something moderate" = not small, hot large. But we've got to remember that slander/libel generally doesn't have big criminal penalties, to my knowledge. And there's a big difference between something that actually concretely happens (someone was raped, stabbed, beate…
/r/EverydayMisandry06/05/23 06:46 AM
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she clearly isn't suffering much You're probably right, although I think that's debatable. But yeah. Remember that this argument that "cancel culture isn't real" goes both directions. If you are claiming that she didn't suffer much from this then I think feminist claims would also be legitimate that high profile men didn't suffer much from MeToo allegations. Those men usually still have supporters and lucrative opportunities. Let's be sure not to dismiss suffering for one type of person and insi…
/r/EverydayMisandry05/05/23 12:28 AM
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Let's be reasonable here. Even charges of rape, manslaughter, molestation, aggravated assault, etc., do not get life in prison. Some people argue that false accusers should get what the sentence would have been for the false accusation. I'm not sure whether or not I agree with that — genuinely don't know — but there's no reason the punishment for a false allegation should be worse than the actual crime. She's gotten terribly dragged through the mud, much worse than him. And she was successfully …
/r/EverydayMisandry04/05/23 09:03 AM
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It's a combination of things. The dynamic I spoke of is just one factor of many. I do think it's one of the biggest factors, though. As others have said, the statistics are also a little skewed because the population skews more and more as people age: old women significantly outnumber old men because men die younger. That means you'll have lots of middle-aged and up women who don't remarry because the pool of dateable men is simply smaller than vice versa. Your average person marries within a fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 06:26 AM
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I think some of your points are definitely part of the equation. Although, I have doubts about the following: men strongly desire women and relationships You mean that in contrast to women, but I think that's unfounded. If anything, women are the ones in our society that are more obsessed with relationships. At least that is the stereotype, right? Also, sadly, I think a big piece of the puzzle that humans have talked about for centuries is how women's dating value decreases as they age whereas m…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/23 11:53 AM
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I guess I just think that everyone can relate to being offered touch by people you don't want to be touched by. This is not as warranted of an assumption as you believe. That goes back to what I said earlier: "people are born and raised within a certain gendered experience and so they never experience what life is actually like for the other gender. They simply cannot see the reality from a different perspective." I think you assume ("guess") that men's experience is similar to women's, but in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/23 03:48 AM
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Many males can be touched very easily. There is a key difference between many and most. I take your point. But this is not a symmetrical issue between the genders. I'm not sure if you see that.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 01:48 AM
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I appreciate your level-headed honest consideration. I, too, both agree and disagree with some of OP's points, although I mostly agree. It's hard because people are born and raised within a certain gendered experience and so they never experience what life is actually like for the other gender. They simply cannot see the reality from a different perspective. This works equally in both directions: men are ignorant about women's experience and women are ignorant about men's. In defense of OP, I th…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 09:25 PM
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Goodlooking, fit people are extremely rare Not so rare. Unless you mean only Baywatch models. Regular people who are fit and good looking are very common, unless your standard is too high. Also, the most attractive people have the most attention and the most options. It is known that the top 10% of attractive men get far more responses on dating apps, the bias is much more skewed than with women. In fact, the top 10% get around 60% of all responses by some measures. So, by simple numerical proba…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 06:26 PM
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I cannot cite specific statistics offhand, so I cannot provide verification for my last sentence's claim. But from what I've heard generally that seems to be common, actually. In my view it's not a matter of being in "multiple relationships" per se but rather continuing to browse and flirt online and appear to be in the dating market. Here's some stats that were easy to find: "A shocking 52 percent of those with a partner have still signed up for dating websites in these unprecedented times." —S…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/23 06:46 AM
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Well, as I tried to express, it's a feedback loop. Women are very selective and that exacerbates the problem. But women could not afford to be so selective if so many men weren't coming on to them. And the topmost attractive guys aren't content to stay monogamous, they are also browsing and hitting up attractive women even though they're already in casual relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/23 02:14 AM
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A person has been killed. We're in court with the victim's family to have a reckoning, and you're laughing in front of them? Christ. If she couldn't maintain at least basic composure, let alone sympathy, then she should have stayed out of that courtroom or left before she started sniggering.
/r/PussyPassDenied25/03/23 09:07 AM
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I don't know how anyone can go through that and not feel a bit feel used It's understandable to feel a bit used. It's ok to feel hurt. But don't turn it into an unproductive misery session. People can't always be super caring towards each other and sometimes people can be misleading for a variety of reasons. The best thing you can do is to stop seeking comfort and validation from outside via romantic partners. Instead, focus on pursuing something you love and getting excited about your life. I t…
/r/ExRedPill24/03/23 07:06 AM
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Exactly, on both counts. Drunk ranting is fine but if OP is looking for help, the drunk emotional victim mindset is not conducive to that. And yeah, it's the exact same emotional/psychological baggage on both sides. The other gender is terrible/trash/etc because we're projecting our hurt onto them.
/r/ExRedPill24/03/23 07:00 AM
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"For centuries there was no school or significant tradecraft for women." is just blatantly false. Working class families couldn't afford not to have their women work. Whaa? What are you talking about? What is "false"? Are you saying trade schools and educational institutions were equally available for women? Should be interesting to see what evidence you give for that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/02/23 01:59 PM
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You shouldn't have been down voted for this, since I think you make good points that deserve rebuttals. Thank you. I appreciate you saying that. The reason I was voted down is the exact same reason an identical comment with the genders reversed would be voted down in a feminist subreddit: It doesn't go with the echo chamber narrative. I don't give a shit about narratives, though, I only care about truth and accuracy. ​ You are looking at the men who "made it". Yes and no. While it's of course tr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/02/23 02:53 PM
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Thank you. For most activists and passionate people — and probably most people in general — "critical thinking" means being critical of the other side not your own side. So, telling people we need more "critical thinking" doesn't actually increase critical thinking because there is a blindspot about what it actually is. The people that espouse the term "critical thinking" the most are conspiracy theorists and flat earthers, lol. Ironic indeed.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/02/23 03:51 AM
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haha, it's always good to know other people have this experience too of occupying the deserted uneasy space between warring tribes while still caring about both movements.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/02/23 03:42 AM
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The male libido is truly unmatched. ... Society is in such a crazy place when women are turning away HUNDREDS of suitors constantly This is the issue. It's MEN that are causing the bulk of this problem. Because men are so goddam thirsty and constantly shooting their tentacles at practically every woman they see, it oversaturates the market and women have literally no choice but to become more selective. If you had hundreds of women trying to hit you up as a man, you would become much more select…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/23 02:52 PM
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if you look closely at traditional doctrine regarding what it is to be a man, basically every criteria is aimed to dehumanize men No, I think "dehumanize" is not the right word here. I would say "reduce sympathy toward" is a more correct description. There are lots of traditional old-fashioned ways in which men were "humanized" more than women: Whose opinion and insight was most respected? Who should lead us and make decisions for the group? Who was head of the household? Which spouse had "right…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/02/23 02:31 PM
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I already said this in my other comment, but I just want to reiterate how incredibly massive and important your discovery is, how much you deserve respect for being able to be real about it, and that you should continue the journey if possible. Most Feminists and Masculists aren't actually much different from each other — they're both aggrieved tribes whose primary concern is getting the emotional catharsis of taking out their pain on the "other" tribe by tearing them down and denigrating them. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/02/23 01:39 PM
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It's sad that it's so extremely difficult for people to see what is so incredibly obvious. But it's always an extremely good and praiseworthy thing when someone actually peeks their head out of their social bubble and sees a broader truth for the first time. So, kudos to you. I sincerely respect you for this. An angel gets its wings every time someone sees outside their echo chamber. If you have a curious mind and adventurous personality, then I would suggest trying an experiment: without reveal…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/02/23 01:29 PM
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Ok, that's fair in those uncommon cases. But that is a choice for most women. Unless you are literally dependent on someone for your immigration status and have kids — very ill-advised situation to put yourself in — then otherwise don't accept that kind of "slave away" arrangement. Who's forcing you to "slave away" to support your man? Obviously no offense to your mother, but that is an uncommon situation that obviously has a clear power dynamic. Don't put yourself in that situation in the first…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/02/23 01:51 PM
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Why stick around to slave away helping the guy while he’s a “nobody” What guys are asking women to "slave away" to help them become successful? Are you talking about people who are having a relationship with business colleagues? What "slave" work is the woman doing other than simply being in a relationship? This doesn't make sense. If you're talking about investing your time and emotion and energy into a relationship only to be broken up with later, OK, that's different. But then be clear in com…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/23 03:50 PM
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Sorry for the very late reply No worries. “hey I wanted to say I saw you and thought you were pretty and was hoping to talk to you” That's not terrible. It would work sometimes, I think. If you say that in a very honest way without trying to look cool or something, then yeah, it might be fine. I think a lot of women might appreciate the vulnerable candor. However, sometimes it's not a good idea to immediately make a comment about their appearance. Instead, you can talk to them about something el…
/r/ExRedPill04/02/23 09:36 AM
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power struggles and material covetousness that they experienced were due to "internalized patriarchal values" That is so stupid. I cant' believe there are so many people who are utterly ignorant about human nature. All humans, regardless of gender, are driven toward power struggles, aggression, pettiness, selfishness, material greed, to name a few. This didn't originate from patriarchy, duh. Instead, patriarchy took these same innate qualities and applied them to a system of male domination. But…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 04:00 PM
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Why haven't women built their own independent, semi autonomous female utopia? Because the vast majority of women aren't crazy and aren't radical feminists. Trying to secede and form a society based on a single attribute is extremely radical and extremely difficult. There are tiny mini-societies that try things like this for religious or other weird reasons, but they are very small and usually short-lived. Being totally self-sufficient in the modern world is prohibitively difficult. once it's up …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 03:42 PM
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I think part of it is that people aren't very creative or original and people like to follow the herd. So, when the herd is all saying "DEI" or "BIPOC" or "communities" or whatever, you're going to hear those talking points everywhere. However, I'm not saying that stuff is bad, or that people promoting it have inappropriate reasons. I mean, it's good if something can especially help disadvantaged women. But people get kind of blindly overzealous. I think it just shows up because it's in vogue, i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/23 12:20 PM
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In my opinion here are the three best things you can do to raise you chances of successfully dating women, in order: 1) Become comfortable in your own skin. It took me a long time to really understand what "confidence" actually meant. It doesn't mean being 007 James Bond or acting like a smooth operator who always has has the perfect words to say. No, it's being comfortable with yourself exactly the way you are, whether you are shy and reserved or silly and playful or tremendously geeky or whate…
/r/ExRedPill20/12/22 09:35 PM
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Username doesn't check out. At all. Great advice.
/r/ExRedPill20/12/22 09:12 PM
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My pleasure, good luck.
/r/ExRedPill16/12/22 05:52 PM
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One thing that could actually help is having a difficult heart to heart with him about his feelings and his pain. This redpill stuff is usually driven by deep feelings of hurt. It's really painful to feel utterly unwanted and rejected and to have the all your problems blamed on you. If he can be vulnerable enough to be honest about his feelings, if he could admit his hurt to you without being too proud to hide it. Then, if you're willing to say "I'm so sorry they did that you"; I'm sorry you wer…
/r/ExRedPill14/12/22 01:04 PM
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For those who may not read the article, it shows that gender discrimination happens in both directions: traditionally "female" jobs are biased against hiring men and traditionally "male" jobs are biased against hiring women, and that bias is very strong in both directions. I feel like this is an important point to make because Mens Rights isn't about discounting discrimination against women; instead it's about acknowledging the perpetually unacknowledged sexism against men. A study like this doe…
/r/MensRights23/10/22 11:55 AM
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you should probably be talking about labor rights and raising minimum wages and establishing public works they would actually use Whoa, you're injecting sense and reason into a political movement that is seemingly entirely about pronouns and identify politics. As a leftist myself who believes that unifying universal class-focused action is more important than most of the petty identitarian rhetoric currently dominating liberal groups, I wish there was more focus on real inclusivity (that include…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/22 09:40 AM
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I appreciate you taking time to explain yourself. I'm not proud to say that I genuinely did not understand what you were trying to say. I couldn't follow your reasoning. Nevertheless, I still don't think we actually disagree, so I think we're all good. To me, the answer is simple. Question: Is holding the opinion “men and women are abused at similar rates” a red flag in a guy? Answer: No, not generally. Sometimes yes, but it's not an automatic red flag.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/22 06:23 AM
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I've been blocked from r/askfeminists Congratulations! That's a good thing, in my opinion. A sign that you aren't captured by the groupthink. I agree with everything you wrote. Really. The only thing I have an issue with, or different understanding about, is how you keep saying "that wasn't the topic". I didn't mean to say that what happened in the video was necessarily bad. I'm responding more to the title and whether or not the title can be generalizable: Is holding the opinion “men and women …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 06:04 AM
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Thank you for your clarification and your comments. Also, we all know that it is tonedef or dishonest if you say "that [group A] exaggerate or fabricate their claims of abuse or insist that [group B] are abused just as much as [group A] are." if the conversation is about the victim of group A Yes, usually. But not always. Sometimes the conversation is not merely about Group A. Sometimes the conversation has strong overtones that the Group A is the only group that suffers and that Group B is excl…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 11:33 AM
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Below is from Red Flags of a Psychopath. Would you fall head over heels? Or would you be put off by the abnormal intensity? ​ He or she is incredibly charming, in exactly the way YOU find charming. Need someone confident, outgoing and warm? The psychopath can do that. Need someone sensitive and a bit bumbling, but with a heart of gold? He can do that, too. This charm causes you — his target — to fall under his spell while he focuses intensely on you. His focus is very pleasing to the mind and se…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 08:51 AM
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Seems like a little bit of a naive question. I'm not blaming women for their deep-down subconscious biologically-influenced mating preferences. It's not their "fault". But we have to honest about it. There is an attraction to "bad boys". Guys that the women know are bad. They see these guys mistreat others, exert dominance, physically intimidate people, behave in risky ways, act like an jerk in groups, etc. Women are very often attracted to these clear, loud, and obvious signs of a bad guy. Agai…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 08:25 AM
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a cope for women who make excuses for guys who actually don't care about them enough to even feign interest in whatever the woman is talking about If this was actually true then why are they with that guy? Find someone who's actually into you. Maybe it's not men, it's bad relationships. Also, people need to be honest with themselves about what they actually want and what they have: Are you with this guy because you wanted a physical relationship or because you want an emotional relationship too?…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 07:43 AM
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That sucks, Mate. Sorry. No reasonable person would expect the other to be super attentive and retentive about their obscure interests. It's natural and even expected to share some hobbies and interests with your partner, but certainly not every interest. Otherwise, you're basically requiring your partner to change themselves for you, which is unfair and a recipe for disaster. If she broke up with you over that, then probably 1) she's unreasonable to a concerning degree and you're better off wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 07:38 AM
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I have an honest question: I can see where they say "Females were killed by intimate partners at twice the rate of males" and I see the graph labeled Homicides of intimate partners by gender of victim, 1993-200 However, they don't seem to specify the gender of the perpetrator, so that could include gay men killed by other men, which is probably a significant amount. Can you point out if this source (or a different one) specifies the perpetrator gender? I'd like to see that clarification. Thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 07:00 AM
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Women are more likely to be ... sexually assaulted, and seriously injured This has to be qualified a bit. It not untrue per se, but there is massive qualifications to those stats. Women are far more likely to report their injury as DV related (as opposed to just getting treated at the hospital for an "accident"). Similarly, women are also far more likely to report a sexual assault, especially within a relationship. How many men do you think are running to the police, running to the battered men'…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 06:45 AM
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Yeah, yours needs to be one of the top comments. Pop psychology is a scurge. It's a ton of unscientific speculation that feeds into the awful tendency most people have of being fake armchair psychologists: massive Dunning-Kruger alert. In many ways it's like astrology. It lets the bias-loving part of your brain have free playtime to put people into made-up categories that you already wanted them to be in. "I'm feeling hurt ... according to this book, I feel bad because my (ex)boyfriend is an abu…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 06:26 AM
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but if someone that has been a victim of abuse still believes other victims exaggerate, between the two, I would be more against the victim that doesn't believe in other victims. I understand what you're saying, but one problem with your whole comment is that you are operating on the assumption that those two things are mutually exclusive: a person cannot be both sympathetic to victims while simultaneously jaded and sharply critical of exaggerations and dishonesty. On the contrary, it is indeed …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/22 06:13 AM
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I'd be interested in seeing that raw data set before making too many assumptions. As far as I know, dating app corporations are not keen on releasing their private data on user preferences. Obviously seeing data like this would turn customers off from bothering to use the app. Therefore, I am skeptical and want to know more. Also, what subset of (paid?) users is this coming from and what is the selection bias, sample size, etc. This same graphic is posted here in the bumble subreddit with a lot …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 10:45 AM
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This has to be a joke, right? The immoral double standard and sheer impudence of this statement can't be serious. Let me paste what you wrote but change gender to race: my question for black people is this: isn’t that the person you want to be anyway? Don’t you want to be handsome, fit, successful, interesting, smart, and kind? Isn’t it kind of a favor white people are doing by requiring these things? Won’t that spur you on to be the best black person you can be? If you're still comfortable maki…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 11:01 AM
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Yeah, you nailed it about the red pill (and about a lot of gender-directed anger in general). Oftentimes people hate gender roles when demanded of themselves, but then they expect other people to follow gender roles. Goes for both sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 12:44 AM
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The whole point of toxic masculinity is the idea that "patriarchy harms men too," so how can internalized misandry be excluded from that? I think I see your thought process now, but can't say I agree. However, my disagreement is largely a matter of word definitions; I don't think ideologically we're opposed here. I would say that internalized misandry would be ways in which men devalue or denigrate themselves, such as male disposability or dying so that women can live (although even those involv…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/08/19 09:30 AM
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I actually meant where have you been finding these MRAs and how many have you actually met? I admit it's been almost entirely online and not that much in dedicated MRA forums. However, here's two different users' responses I've gotten so far in /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates: You think with your fee-fees all you want, i'll continue to use my brain. You lost credibility there x10000000. Calling GamerGate harassment is like saying DongleGate was harassment of that woman who got fired over it. You know, …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/08/19 12:35 PM
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You think with your fee-fees all you want, i'll continue to use my brain. That is not the best way to promote further discussion with someone. That's why I'm opting out; no point if you're not going to be respectful.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/08/19 09:47 AM
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You lost credibility there x10000000. Calling GamerGate harassment is like saying DongleGate was harassment I can't believe you said that. I don't even know how to respond. All I can offer is the following two articles for you to read and then tell me again that GamerGate wasn't harassment: List of Gamergate claims The FBI has released its Gamergate investigation records Maybe you believe that the FBI is also in on the anti-gamer conspiracy, making up lies to make gamers look bad?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/08/19 09:35 AM
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Out of curiosity, what is your experience with MRAs? My experience has been: hostility toward feminists, rude arrogance, and a refusal to consider any perspective in which men might not be the victims ... ironically, the exact same thing that MRA's say about trying to talk to feminists! What a crazy world! But maybe I haven't met enough "real" MRA's, so to speak. ​ you're unlikely to change my mind about that. [toxic masculinity] I'm not saying it's a good term to use; I have problems with the t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/08/19 09:18 AM
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Listen, friend, I honestly don't know how to productively engage with you. I apologize for trying to make fun of your word choice ("evil") by using hyperbolic language with an admittedly poor sense of humor (cabal of overlords, and all that crap). That's how something so far from (what I see as) the truth sounds to me. But, I realize that it sounds perfectly reasonable to you. And yes, I believe that you can do your "own thinking". Sorry to imply that you weren't; I guessed that bad actors were …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/08/19 12:15 PM
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I would have to list every single thing feminism does that is both "evil" and "not evil" and weigh them, which is a ridiculous ask. Instead, I can name some of the main areas of work of feminism that do not seem "evil" (sheesh, could you be a little more melodramatic?) and then you can chime in about whether they're really part of a plan by a secret scheming evil cabal of wicked feminist overlords bent on world destruction (or whatever you believe). Safe birth control, including male birth contr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/08/19 12:48 PM
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I did already read your mission statement and much of the rest of it before first commenting in this subreddit. However, thanks for the reminder that this subreddit in part specifically dedicated to criticism of feminism. I agree that mainstream and radical feminism needs criticism. But, I see that need as being for constructive criticism rather than simple bashing or unfair rebuke stemming from blatant misunderstanding. ​ whether the normative claim is true to the degree that feminists believe …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/08/19 11:54 AM
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Wow. Thanks for the really thoughtful reply. I was expecting you to double down with a typical "men are the only ones with legitimate grievances, so screw you, feminist libtard!" attitude, but you pleasantly surprised me. Before posting that reply, I thought to myself "foolish me, why am I engaging in conversation with people who only want to hate and never want to listen?", but I'm glad I was wrong. ​ the greater hypocrisy here still lies with feminists, because they demonize MRAs, because MRAs…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/08/19 09:40 AM
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You're right, I didn't need to do the "baiting". But, it can just be so frustrating trying to have a real conversation with people that only care about demonizing their enemy. To deny this overwhelming tendency of demonization/vilification of feminists among MRA's would be incredibly dishonest. I know you can say feminists do it too, but we can all be more mature than "it's ok because they do it too". And, just to prove my point, this is what u/ThePigmanAgain wrote: Feminism is as feminism does,…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/08/19 01:38 AM
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I do think that the time for EQUALISM has come and that a lot of feminist advocacy has gotten too wrapped up in its own goals to actually see the bigger picture. I highly support a lot of feminist goals because I understand "true" feminism as being simply a branch of equalism that focuses on women's problems, but never with the purpose of vilifying men. For that reason, true feminism never really clashes with true masculism. But, of course, most people on both sides aren't very nuanced and just …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/08/19 04:43 AM
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Before I answer that, why do you ask? I'm not a fan of putting labels on myself because being too married to an ideology isn't good, in my opinion.
/r/MensRights12/08/19 07:25 AM
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Valid question. Aside from saying that using violence is "not a feminist" (which kind of implies feminism is a good thing), she labels a different article of hers as feminist. That was enough for me to assume that she at least associates her ideas with feminism.
/r/MensRights11/08/19 02:35 PM
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Your mother is older than you, and across the spectrum (whether Left or Right) older people have more traditionalist thinking, and the traditional outlook is that women need more protecting and that it's not acceptable to ever hit women. This is not a matter of liberalism or conservatism, it's just a matter of old-school ways of thinking. Lots of younger women nowadays disagree and think that violence should not be perpetuated by any gender. A quote from an articleby a feminist: "As girls, we wa…
/r/MensRights11/08/19 05:46 AM
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