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| 116 | Weaponized incompetence and assumed superiority | discussion | SeonAzure | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/01/22 06:53 AM |
| 70 | Alex Garland's "Men" (Spoilers for the Trailer) | discussion | SeonAzure | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/03/22 09:00 PM |
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| 4 | Mainstream Media Reporting on Johnny Depp TrialThe second wave saw the explosion of political lesbianism, which is essentially just homophobia disguised as concern for women, which obviously led to the trans-exclusive radical feminists of the modern era. Unfortunately there really isn't any wave of feminism that isn't riddled with problematic ideas and bigotry, which makes parsing their positive accomplishments and problematic viewpoints especially difficult. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 06/05/22 04:34 PM |
| 1 | What does everyone think of the upcoming film "Men"?And it'll get shot down by a federal judge immediately, like every other attempted abortion ban bill. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 17/04/22 12:47 AM |
| 8 | Alex Garland's "Men" (Spoilers for the Trailer)It comes from a study cited by this article: https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/11/the-understudied-female-sexual-predator/503492/ Exceprt: "Tellingly, researchers have found that victims who experience childhood sexual abuse at the hands of both women and men are more reluctant to disclose the victimization perpetrated by women (Sgroi & Sargent, 1993). Indeed the discomfort of reporting child sexual victimization by a female perpetrator can be so acute that a victim may instead in… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 27/03/22 10:27 PM |
| 2 | Alex Garland's "Men" (Spoilers for the Trailer)I normally do enjoy horror films distributed by A24 but have noticed that they portray men as assholes. I saw this a little bit in The VVitch, the first film from one of my favorite current directors, Robert Eggers. While it's not as dramatic as Misommar or "Men", the father is depicted unilaterally as the driving force behind the family's suffering and exile, and is depicted as an incompetent hunter and provider as well as being dishonest to his wife. While I still like the movie, those element… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/03/22 07:53 PM |
| 2 | Alex Garland's "Men" (Spoilers for the Trailer)Thinking about it, it is a social issue, but systemic? Could you elaborate on that? Perhaps it could be considered systemic because there are Hollywood executives and A24 producers, those that run the "system" as it were, who are encouraging this kind of content, but other than that I'm not sure how it could be considered a systemic issue. For context, I was referring to phenomena like police profiling, increased prison time, divorce court discrimination, the draft... etc. as examples of "system… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/03/22 07:43 PM |
| 4 | Alex Garland's "Men" (Spoilers for the Trailer)The fact that it's called "Men" and it stars a woman was enough to tell me what this movie was. Especially with Alex Garland seeming to want to only have men as the bad guys and women as the good guys, regardless of their actual actions. This is really the crux of it, and what I also watched happen in Misommar with Christian; some of these movies attempt to depict the male characters as in the wrong despite it being easily arguable, and even obvious, that they aren't. What ends up happening as a… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/03/22 07:40 PM |
| 4 | Alex Garland's "Men" (Spoilers for the Trailer)Some of the clips were certainly cringe inducing. The clip of the husband staring directly at Harper as he plunges to his death made me chuckle, and that's the last thing a scene of suicide should do in a horror film. I already mentioned how badly written and stilted the dialogue felt in a couple scenes from the trailer, but the exchanges about the "forbidden fruit" and especially the ridiculous gaslighting scene in the graveyard felt like something that would be in a first-time director's movie… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/03/22 07:31 PM |
| 6 | Alex Garland's "Men" (Spoilers for the Trailer)I hadn't even thought about that; what exactly is the purpose of this movie? The title suggests that, as another user stated, the overall message will literally be just "man bad", and that's extremely disheartening. It's bad enough that plenty of movies have that message as an underlying theme, but when it's literally used as the entire basis of a movie, that's an entirely different degree of malicious. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/03/22 07:27 PM |
| 6 | Alex Garland's "Men" (Spoilers for the Trailer)I can’t really say I’m surprised, though, coming from Alex Garland. Truth be told, I don’t know much about him. I watched most of his movies (The Beach, 28 Days Later, Sunshine, Annihilation, etc), but it was purely out of coincidence, not because I knew he was involved. But something feels off about Ex Machina. It’s a good movie if you’re into subjects like AI and consciousness, but at the same time, the two male characters feel a bit caricatured. It’s not as in your face as, let’s say, a Netfl… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/03/22 07:21 PM |
| 3 | Alex Garland's "Men" (Spoilers for the Trailer)I don't think there's anything wrong with adressing it, but it should be noted this is something people can ignore. I used to get so worked up about this too, about this horrid portrayal of men in general, and how dismissive people were of this issue, because "most Marvel superheroes are male" or whatever. Oh my, so when I'm not a rapist, a murderer or a serial harrasser, the positive portrayal I get is that of a superpowered man with an unattainable body who constantly puts his life at risk for… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/03/22 07:13 PM |
| 10 | Alex Garland's "Men" (Spoilers for the Trailer)I can only speak to the reception on Instagram, but it seemed overall quite positive, with even a few men in the comments saying things like "we really are scary" and "what did we do this time?". I couldn't personally find any critical comments on the A24 posts, but they may also have deleted them, so I'm not sure how accurate that is of the actual reception of the film and trailers. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 26/03/22 07:03 PM |
| 1 | Of course the OP has "witch" in her usernameI mean, sure, we'll ignore women nobles, queens, artists, poets, counselors and advisors, performers, etc... and instead focus on witches, the "women who had power" that were killed for no reason. Very powerful stuff. Also, ninjas, and tangentially, samurai, were gender-neutral, and so were pirates. Women could be those things to, and were. The most successful pirate of all time was a woman. | /r/EverydayMisandry | 25/03/22 05:25 PM |
| 17 | This kind of thing angers me, it really does. Feminists are always going on about “toxic masculinity” and “men not showing tenor feelings”, yet when a man does express their genuine feelings of hurt, they pounce on them and try to make them ashamed for their emotionsIt's in games just as much as it is in movies. It's often not overt, just little things like male characters being violent, ignorant fools, all of the villains and enemies being men, there being an absolutely absurd oversaturation of rapists and pedophiles that are (of course) all exclusively men, male characters being idiots and cruel for inexplicable reasons as well as a completely unrealistic overrepresentation of misogny... it's not different from any other kind of media, where men are gener… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 22/03/22 06:59 PM |
| 9 | People refuse to see that transphobia is rooted in misandryIt is utterly "misogynistic" because it harms women so, so, so much more deeply than it harms men. So gay men and trans women literally getting murdered is somehow a less "deep" form of harm than women feeling like they have no agency? How exactly can that stance be morally defended? Think about the deep social ramifications of a population with that kind of mindset. The mental illness alone that such a mindset would cause is astronomical. The message denies women the right to their own agency, … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 14/03/22 10:18 PM |
| 2 | Genuine question: Does capitalism thrive of off "male suffering"?Absolutely. Men are the primary victims of capitalism, and always have been. We all know about coal miners, steel mill workers, skyscraper builders... but in the modern day, the shadows of those occupations still haven't faded. Men are still 97% of workplace fatalities and something like 85% of workplace injuries, and they're still the majority of the workforce. While women are now being exploited by capitalism to a much greater degree and the scales are no longer lopsided completely in the dire… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 23/02/22 04:43 AM |
| 4 | Does anyone else find it infuriating how feminists suddenly (and hypocritically) turn into fiscal conservatives when oversight of child support spending is proposed?Not really, at all. The burden of providing proof, and thus the burden of cost, would be on the individual receiving child support. If they don't provide sufficient proof in the form of receipts, paystubs, etc. when challenged, the payments are reduced or paused until properly reviewed. There would be next to no increase in costs on the part of the government/taxpayer aside from negligible costs associated with processing the information. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 16/02/22 02:11 AM |
| 1 | Chivalry is a massive issue of why we are here, so we must work it outYou're correct. It was a blanket statement referring to the jobs women could not work, like coal mining, skyscraper building, the military, etc. but I understand if that wasn't transparent, I could've worded it better. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/02/22 04:24 AM |
| 2 | Chivalry is a massive issue of why we are here, so we must work it outThis article, at the very end, discusses how victims are more reluctant to report female perpetrators: "Tellingly, researchers have found that victims who experience childhood sexual abuse at the hands of both women and men are more reluctant to disclose the victimization perpetrated by women (Sgroi & Sargent, 1993). Indeed the discomfort of reporting child sexual victimization by a female perpetrator can be so acute that a victim may instead inaccurately report that his or her abuser was male (… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 03/02/22 04:22 AM |
| 13 | Chivalry is a massive issue of why we are here, so we must work it outMen created the system, yes. But it was created out of kindness surely? And also partly necessity in that men are stronger on average so a woman trying her hand at being a knight in hand to hand combat would get killed. It was sexist but also…women are less strong on average. So it did make sense. Am I wrong about that summary? Chivalry was originally a code of conduct employed by Knights during the Feudal Era in Europe. It had little to do with women as a whole, aside from dictating that womne … | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 02/02/22 05:58 AM |
| 3 | Why do people always assume we want to dismantle resources for women instead of add focus for male resources?The crew yes, and the crew likely was 90% male I'm a bit confused as to why you mention this. It really has nothing to do with the conversation at hand, which is male expendability. The non-crew likely had no expectation. Of this I strongly disagree. The whole crew, with the exception of women crewmembers, likely stayed aboard out of duty to protect their customers. Furthermore, the non-crew most assuredly did have an expectation, and in fact that was what I was referring to. The White Feather m… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 31/01/22 09:00 AM |
| 16 | An Excellent ThreadI use the phrase "internalized misandry" as well. I see no reason why sexism perpetuated against men should be blamed on masculinity and not prejudice against men. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/01/22 09:52 PM |
| 10 | Why do people always assume we want to dismantle resources for women instead of add focus for male resources?I've seen this criticism as well, but the only sources for the argument (that I've personally seen) were small, private vessels and literal pirate boats. One argument even claimed that the "women and children" policy didn't exist because pirates had no problem sending women overboard. I'd imagine that on public vessels like the Titanic, there's always been an informal rule about saving women and children before men, even if it wasn't documented or talked about much. We need to take into consider… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 30/01/22 09:11 PM |
| 1 | Weaponized incompetence and assumed superiorityWow. My apologies, sounds like an amazing guy /s. But again, your experiences don't really line up with the data, and for what it's worth, my (or anyone I know) personal experiences either. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/01/22 05:16 AM |
| 1 | Weaponized incompetence and assumed superiorityYes, I read it lol. The larger point still stands that a men are a majority of the workforce and a small minority of stay-at-home parents. I wasn't trying to claim that men are 99% of the workforce or anything crazy like that, just that, in general, men working and women staying home is still a trend in America. And again, this is a really tiny piece of the overall point I was trying to make, and even it weren't accurate, it wouldn't really undermine what I was getting at. It's a pretty minute d… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/01/22 05:14 AM |
| 3 | Weaponized incompetence and assumed superiorityYou're experiences are your own, but they don't represent the data at large. As of 2020, men are 69% of the workforce and only 17% of stay-at-home parents, contrasted with women being the other 83%. The workforce is definitely not as male-dominated as it used to be, but men are absolutely still the majority of "breadwinners", as it were, in the U.S. So, there are twice as many (69÷31=2.23) men as women in the workforce and nearly fives times as many women staying home (83÷17=4.88) as there are m… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/01/22 04:59 AM |
| 3 | Weaponized incompetence and assumed superiorityI can see how these women end up in an unhappy stalemate. If their partner simply does not care, then they will inevitably reach the point where they just do it themselves first. It's definitely not ideal. The problem is that this is often twisted and used to manipulate the messier party, via "you made me" style statements, when it's entirely personal preferences that spur on the mentioned actions. This absolutely can be a problem in a relationship, but the solutions should be a healthy, solutio… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/01/22 03:02 AM |
| 2 | Weaponized incompetence and assumed superiorityI talked about it another reply, but this is a good point. If a man is inept at skills/tasks that are typically feminine, that's "incompetence", but that indignation doesn't go the other way. Men are expected to be on top of typically feminine tasks but women have no such expectations to be adept at typically male tasks (or even feign interest in them). | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/01/22 02:56 AM |
| 1 | Weaponized incompetence and assumed superiorityWhen it comes to messy things, it's usually not because they expect you to clean, they just don't care at all. Absolutely hit the nail on the head. "Weaponized incompetence" is such a dramatic way of phrasing it that it even feels outright misleading. The underlying assumptions that comes with the phrase is that a) the "incompetence" was intentional, and b) they chose to intentionally be "incompetent" either because they don't care about inconveniencing their partner or because they flat out wan… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/01/22 02:53 AM |
| 8 | Weaponized incompetence and assumed superiorityBrilliant advice. This attitude of women being some sort of angelic, superior species is bleeding into everything I see online. To be pedantic for a moment, I even see it in the rise of the idealization of "femboy" type content, as if the best form of a man is one that emulates women in every possible way. Whatever the opposite of "vilification" is (deification?), it's been happening to women and it seems to negatively impact both men and women in a lot of ways. I've gotten backlash on the inter… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/01/22 02:46 AM |
| 3 | Weaponized incompetence and assumed superiorityThis I definitely agree with. The kind of people that do this are (in my opinion) rather rare but it's definitely concerning when I see people that leave food-crusted dishes lying around long enough to grow blue fur and start facing the nearest light source. In this vein of conversation I've give some leeway to the people complaining about weaponized incompetence; if that incompetence is so severe that is can cause health issue or otherwise be unsafe (as described above), then it's certainly acc… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/01/22 02:39 AM |
| 4 | Weaponized incompetence and assumed superiorityI definitely agree that "housework" is purposely limited to exclude a lot of things that men typically do. After an afternoon of pulling up a stump in my aunt's backyard I get asked to sweep the front porch, as if what just did wasn't also housework. Anything manual, outdoors, or just typically male-centered is considered... idk, I guess recreation? I spent an afternoon digging up rocks and sieving soil because... it was fun? It's conveniently left out of the housework conversation for some reas… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/01/22 02:36 AM |
| 2 | Weaponized incompetence and assumed superiorityMAN, that beard hair one gave me flashbacks. One of the biggest blowouts I've ever had with my mom was when she yelled at me for leaving some beard hair around the edge of the sink, meanwhile she left chunks of toilet paper smeared with makeup on the floor and half a dozen hair ties with literal FEET of tangled hair scattered all over the counter. She'd leave her hair all over the shower walls and clogging the drain, but god forbid I leave some 1/8 inch hair clippings on the sides of the sink. I… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/01/22 02:33 AM |
| 6 | Weaponized incompetence and assumed superiorityWhen it comes to romantic partners I'd say a good 60% are by their own definition "useless". I mean, sure they are often a step above me in the house-work department but in all other avenues of life are pretty much "big kids". This raises another idea for me; the vilification of adults for being "childish" across the board. Everyone has heard parents say things like "there's no guidebook to parenting" and I feel that the same logic should apply to adults to some extent, especially young ones. Th… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/01/22 02:26 AM |
| 1 | Weaponized incompetence and assumed superiorityIt's a respect and accountability issue between individuals sharing a space. Expectations for what the space should look like need to be agreed upon, communicated, and acted upon if you want to prevent nagging. Otherwise, someone will have to accommodate for someone else. EXACTLY. There needs to be a healthy conversation about what expectations there are, and how to best compromise in a way the benefits both parties as much as possible. This slamming your foot down, claiming superiority, and ins… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/01/22 02:12 AM |
| 2 | Weaponized incompetence and assumed superiorityThat's a great point. I've also been thinking about how housework is often depicted as a baseline "must", like its a life skill to keep clothes off the floor, meanwhile that same attitude is never applied to having a job or manual labor. The women using the term "weaponized incompetence" seemed to think that it's men's obligation as humans to do housework because "that's what's expected", meanwhile that criticism can never be turned the other way without backlash. Obviously, ideally both parties… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 25/01/22 02:10 AM |
| 5 | Weaponized incompetence and assumed superiorityThe problem itself may not be gendered, but it's absolutely being depicted as so and used as a tool for bashing men, hence the relevance to the sub. There aren't any posts about women weaponizing incompetence. Similar to how stranger violence is not a gendered issue (though one could argue it's primarily a male issue) but feminists often portray it as one, making it relevant for discussion on the sub. | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 24/01/22 09:43 PM |
| 7 | As advocates of the men's movement, how do we best explain what we want?By stating that it isn't. Capitalism's largest concern is generating profit, and the three main ways it accomplishes this are through a) military exploits, b) the workforce, and c) the prison industrial complex, or forced labor. Men are 99% of combat fatalities, 97% of workplace fatalities, and 90% of inmates in the US, which has the largest prison system in the world AND highest incarceration rate in the world. This is after centuries of nearly (or totally) male-exclusive worker's rights groups… | /r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates | 04/01/22 06:52 AM |
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