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So then... Men have to fight for their freedom or become enslaved.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 05:43 AM
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No I mean, two different routes. But black widow is harder to pull off over and over. Can't do both at once.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 05:41 AM
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Not any gold digging whore, the best of the best. Isn't it the man's fault when he falls for a woman's seduction? But she could be the perfect wife and mother too of course. The black widow typically has no children, it's the price of such a life.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 04:15 AM
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All men(and women) have a masculine or feminine core. An aspect they feel more natural in, snap to, develop in better with higher potential in than their other side.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 04:12 AM
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Queen Bitches, there are many bitches, few Queens. They are fun indeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 04:11 AM
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Hehe, you're fun. Yes, I'm just spouting my story, my version of the bullshit we sometimes call knowledge. But I'm arguing a point from a specific perspective of why humans have the aspects of masculinity and femininity, not trying to appreciate the details of human history that you seem to think I just ignore in general. I'm not saying this perspective is the only one or is what matters more or anything about whatever it is you care about.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 04:09 AM
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The other way around wants slave women, so like...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 03:43 AM
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Either.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 03:42 AM
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Like men genuinely acting girly? Sure, that does happen. It takes a more developed man to be able to do that, he'd basically be developed in masculine and feminine ways. And sure a guy like that could choose to act feminine for the next year if he really wanted to and he'd seem feminine right? I've never said masculinity and femininity are rigid and people are stuck to one. They're like modes is how it feels like, being in a masculine mode or feminine mode. And everyone has both sides, can devel…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 03:07 AM
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I don't really know what you're arguing against. You're getting hung up on the details of individual conflicts and not seeing my point? What brings the end of countries and their ways of living more so than war? War is about survival, not just of your body but your ideas that you live and die for, that a country represents. And war is what most patriarchies center around. War drives competition and progress, and war always comes eventually. For whatever reason, and when it does come ideas don't …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 03:00 AM
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How do you know this is rare? Is it because you observe people 100% of the time, or do you have hard studies to back this up? Because I've seen this firsthand among many different men. It's hard to imagine I'm just observing so many rare cases. You're telling me they go from acting masculine to acting feminine in an overt way? Experience mostly, it also doesn't make sense for someone to be able to feel so different so quickly, the vast majority of people are not capable of such mental manipulati…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 01:31 AM
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Maybe. I don't know the answer to this. My belief is you can train most men's mentality to become alpha, however, some men would break under such training. Think of Pyle in Full Metal Jacket. But I don't know if that would be true if boys were all raised and trained to be alpha from birth, as opposed to letting them be beta until after high school and then trying to change it. Definitely the older a man is before attempting to train himself, the harder and more painful it is. I also wonder the e…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 01:27 AM
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That's incredibly rare. Usually something like that happens based on social circles if anything, but not effeminate vs masculine, rather, they'll go between alpha and beta mentality. But otherwise sure in your hypothetical that person would appear masculine to one of them and feminine to the other. However, even when a masculine man does feminine things he still does it in a masculine way, like mannerisms and behavior will still be masculine. Like, effeminate men don't just have it on a switch, …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 01:19 AM
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Everything is power when you're a reductionist. Seems real easy to talk about status being the point when you don't understand what it's like to be in a position of status. The trouble with the reductionist perspective is that it can apply equally well to other abstractions, like survival, sexuality, economy, or morality. It then becomes clear that pointing out one abstraction does little to parse the whole picture in terms of multiple abstractions. And that's the real cherry. Well, beauty of re…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 12:47 AM
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It's easy, what do they act like the majority of the time? That's what they'll be seen and felt as. No need for rocket science here lol. And it's what all humans do for everyone anyways, judge them based off of their behavior. Alpha and beta aren't real right, just nebulous concepts. Yet make a woman feel like you're alpha overall vs beta overall, within the same relationship, and she will treat you differently. Real enough to be useful, meaningful, and effectively exist. Masculinity and feminin…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 12:43 AM
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Haha, why is that such a surprise? Born and raised in the American Empire.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 12:35 AM
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Yup!
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 12:32 AM
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Just reminds me of my family lol with the excessive criticism. I think things are so competitive the small improvements made by such criticism really matter a lot. But it has a lot of harsh side effects, is really bad for self esteem, love, value.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 12:21 AM
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Humanity is not good, it is both good and bad. Bad how? Why would you support that? To each their own. As long as they make sense to themselves, are doing what they want, what do I care? What do you think removing all your inhibitions allows A collapse A collapse of? Rather, it allows your true nature to come out and enables your personal freedom.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 12:19 AM
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Not territory? Or resources? Or pettiness? Or outrage? Or or or. All power and status based issues for the most part. Not in Europe! Or Asia! Or Africa! Or the Americas! Wars were fought between similar nations all the time, neighbors even. And whose benchmark of similarity are you using here? What is similarity between cultures? Have there ever been two nations that are exceedingly similar? You must look at beliefs and ideals and you'll see the similarities. Most of the rich Christian nations h…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 12:15 AM
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Did you find logic puzzles on your own?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 12:09 AM
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I am talking about betrayal or treating someone like a crap. It will come back to you if you do such a thing to others. But that being said, I just want to do my best to support him. Ah yes, and such behavior can negatively affect you even if you're not the victim too. A true meaning of karma in that way. Yeah, I think it is better that way. I come from a culture where criticizing someone is way more common compared to complimenting someone. This is especially true from your parents, siblings, p…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 12:09 AM
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Masculinity and femininity are not good or bad. A very masculine thing to do would be to gang rape a woman, but there is little talk of that. Men have committed a lot of atrocities through out history. You only want positive masculinity and femininity. If humanity is good then masculinity and femininity are both necessarily good as you cannot divorce them from humanity. Yes I do generally espouse positive masculinity, but, if someone wants to be evil with their masculinity or femininity I suppor…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 12:06 AM
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You can be happy doing or denying anything if you have the correct beliefs or perspective for what you're wanting to make you happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 12:02 AM
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And do you know what I have not seen mentioned, even once? What I have never even heard on this subreddit, and all related ones? I have not once heard the topic of family brought up - of the prospect of having children, loving them, raising them, and being the best person you can for their sake. Having children, it seems, is just an unnecessary distraction in the pursuit of flesh and wealth. Yes, with the death of gender norms and masculinity and femininity being recognized as good and real, we …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 12:01 AM
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Yes. My mom is ISFJ, whereas my dad is ESTJ. Ah yeah, so they don't understand you as an N probably much at all. It's also why you're probably an N, because they allowed you to be. Life is weird like that. I won't do that. I strongly believe in karma, and I believe if I do such a thing, one day it will come back and bite me. What will come back to bite you? Being a burden? There's nothing wrong with needing things from a man, it is a mutually beneficial exchange! I see... I guess guys are more b…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 11:54 PM
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How'd you end up doing math? Did you like doing math puzzles as a girl?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 11:43 PM
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It's cool bro, you do you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 11:39 PM
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But wars aren't all fought over the same thing. They may be rationalized in similar ways, but they aren't fought over the same things. And if I'm gonna point to meanings of war, wouldn't I prefer to point to the reasons people want to convince other people to go to war, as opposed to the reasons people use to convince other people to go to war for? Wars are all fought for power and status. Countries, ideologies, competing for resources, influence, cultural, military, economic, religious, power. …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 11:39 PM
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INXP. A borderline t/f. I think how I develop my demeanor is something to do with the fact that I was treated like a butt monkey back then. Definitely part of it. Do you happen to know your parent's MBTI? I don't know, what if he resented me for being a burden? I need to learn to take care of myself first. A 'real' man won't. As long as you're good to him(don't betray or hurt him with intent) and he loves you he won't care what you need to be happy. You don't sound unstable or like you'd be a bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 11:35 PM
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Makes sense, you think killing is bad, wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 11:32 PM
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Not necessarily. Again it's not perfect, but there's a reason www.celebritytypes.com exists, you can deduce MBTI and what cognitive processes someone is using based on their writing. Like what someone feeling focused vs thinking focused will say varies greatly.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 11:30 PM
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I can't take your outside view seriously. I use it all the time and it works, I use MBTI to even shape myself and better develop different cognitive processes and understand them. To say they're only fantasy is absolutely ignorant.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 11:29 PM
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Works both ways too. To an extent, but a lot of things men just don't pick up on either to even allow what was said to influence them. We submit willingly and for a reason, doncha know. Haha, of course!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 11:27 PM
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No, it's because they want to control women's sexuality. They know deep down most of them would never get laid if they didn't control women. I mean, yes, but for war purposes. Control women's sexuality so betas can get sex, make more slaves/babies/soldiers and focus on working for their society. However imperatively without subjugating women it is impossible for a lot of the men towards the bottom to get a wife, especially one that's desirable at all. Women don't want men at the bottom. However,…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 11:25 PM
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I'm a switch hitter on T-F, but I tend towards T. I actually used my strong intuitive tendencies to try to find the best ways of actually developing my feeling senses so that I can more easily navigate the social world. I succeeded. I do something like that. I feel like I emulate ENFJ when I'm dealing with people. I do notice that TRP is filled with Ts. Filled to the brim. Which is why I also like to think of it as "Aspergers, as if it were a social movement." Very heady, lots of heady, in their…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 11:22 PM
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She doesn't allow you to be you. I truly think a good guy could help you with that a lot. Probably one of the best things men give women, they allow women to be themselves. You're an INTP?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 11:18 PM
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Study religion and you will see it all play out, over and over, in different ways each time. The advent of monotheism especially changed a lot. But otherwise, no it doesn't matter that much. Wars are nearly all fought over ideological differences, who's religion is better. Yesterday it was Democracy vs Communism. Before that was Democracy vs Fascism. Now it's like Democracy vs (Islamic) Theocracy. See, women want harmony and peace and good feelings and love. It's very anti progress, as once ever…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 11:14 PM
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So why do you presume a system created by hundreds of thousands of men getting together is made up of idiots? Especially idiots that were too focused on logic and science stuff over social and fun stuff? Lol... You're obviously a Feeler type or at the least heavily analyze with your feelings. It's men like you that can offer to shape TRP/RP even more. But it's also men like you that tend not to care enough to get on the same page with these men to be able to progress the system anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 11:05 PM
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:( You don't really like acting tough do you. You sound like a woman with a feminine core who's had her feminine energy suppressed as Deida would put it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 11:02 PM
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I was referring to my wording. The three guys you mentioned are all the same. There's a huge difference between masculine men that also do feminine things and a man being an effeminate man or unmasculine man. They're all that first sort of guy, masculine men that also do feminine things. I don't think you'd describe any of your three examples as feminine men right? That's because overall, they're masculine, which is how men should be that are not effeminate or unmasculine(what I think of as outl…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 10:59 PM
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I don't see how that's not handled by my view. Alpha and beta genetics are not objective, it's based on higher vs lower testosterone which is relative, and will account for local society's having different reference points, and women and men both will act accordingly. At any given moment in a society, the landscape of genetic expression gives you what women will see as alpha genetics and beta genetics judging by male beauty alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 10:54 PM
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Absolutely, the men in our childhood set examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 10:51 PM
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I think you make perfect sense. Nice post. Thanks One portion I disagree with is that I don't think the alpha woman in a social circle isn't real. How so? There is a woman at the top of a social circle always yes, that's the Queen Bitch in my book.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 10:51 PM
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I think he'd be an alpha bucks yeah, born high T with a more beta mentality. AB and BF are both good, the AF being more sexually desirable generally, but the BF tends to succeed in society better.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 10:50 PM
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Better suited in every way that matters. How do you think short humans appeared? If women absolutely prefer height, and taller men are more alpha, why aren't all ethnicities as tall as the Dutch? I believed humans have been getting taller and taller no? Evolution is all about survival. If your short stature and lean body allows you to survive in a harsh environment by requiring only a fraction of energy that someone tall and muscular needs, you are better suited, and have higher chances of becom…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 10:48 PM
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I hope it works out!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 10:44 PM
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Right, you don't enjoy cruelty. Cause you're not fucked up. If men and women both commonly enjoyed cruelty, that'd be really bad for the species.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 10:44 PM
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Yes nuance exists, yes it can't be well articulated, yes to understand social dynamics and emotions and women you need real world experience 100x more than theory and reading. Objectively speaking, quite a lot of men have submissive sexual fantasies (from personal experience... I have quite a lot of submissiveness and dominance in my sexuality and actually prefer one or the other, but less so vanilla). Quite a lot of men have "beta" qualities. Quite a lot of ectomorph guys fuck a shitload of wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 10:41 PM
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Yeah, it has a lot of meaning for sure. Even if the status is secondary, it still plays a part too, it makes your friends and family see you differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 10:36 PM
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Fair enough, it's good that he supports the choice. You're in a lucky position.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 10:35 PM
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Do you do nothing based on feelings? Existence is mostly irrational, so enjoy it, irrationally.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 10:33 PM
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Rather its highly likely that all males have similar gender traits as is dictated by testosterone and their resulting masculinity. Of course there are outliers which are mainly overly low T men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 10:31 PM
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You have no alternative? I said why, it's for war. Monogamous societies make the best war societies that we know of. Ones where men control society, women's place is to make babies and support the men. Failure to do so results in assimilation by a stronger culture that was able to do the mentioned better and effectively.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 10:28 PM
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Why should I enjoy such moments of cruelty? Because you can? Not all cruelty is done equally well either. Though I suppose it is rarer for a woman to be able to appreciate or enjoy cruelty and pain. Is it worth living for just the few moments? I can't really answer that for you. Enjoying the bright and dark sides of existence make it more worth it to me, as opposed to only enjoying the bright side.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 10:26 PM
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Why does the Patriarchy want to control women? Could it be because it creates a stronger war society?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 10:03 PM
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Life is cruel save for a few moments when it's not. Suppose you learn to enjoy the cruelty.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 10:01 PM
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Yeah, no woman is innocent or not massively opportunistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 09:56 PM
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Men make women give up their sexual freedom. Doesn't matter. It's inequal and women gladly give up their sexual freedom in a way that (alpha) men do not. Usually men are working just as much before getting married... Not sure what that changes? Yes, or else he wouldn't have attracted a woman probably. No, women desire freedom more than men after all, and too, men are more willing to be slaves and want to give up their freedom even. Marriage is the opposite of freedom for a woman. How? She gets p…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 09:54 PM
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Why is your name more important than the symbol of unity? Are your publications part of your legacy that you value?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 09:51 PM
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I see low t guys all the time. Theyre more like women than masculine men Lol I don't necessarily disagree, but they still have more testosterone than women regardless, and can learn to embrace it, plus learn to raise their testosterone levels too.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 09:49 PM
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An ad hominem attack is when you attack the person and not their argument. I responded to your argument. I didn't say "you have no idea what you're saying because you're a nerd." Sure, it's not mature and often not appropriate, but it's not an ad hominem simply because I called you a name. Lol this logic. Name calling is always ad hominem, also addressing the argument or not is irrelevant. Doesn't change the messages and implications of the woman not taking the husband's last name. You read way …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 09:48 PM
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Hopefully she's shorter than you, so you can just grab her by the neck and restrain her. But optimally you can just leave the situation without having to put your hands on her as that's always a gigantic risk in this fuck-all-the-men-with-the-muscles culture we have.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 09:28 PM
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Do you think low T men just don't have anger and dominance they can tap into like high T men have? They still have masculinity and testosterone flowing through them, that doesn't mean it's the same as if they had higher T levels however.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 09:20 PM
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Calling you names does not make what I said an ad hominem attack. I don't even... Do you even logic bro? And I didn't miss the point, you're making the argument that symbolic gestures show someone's commitment to their family and their partner over themselves. A marriage is a legal contract. Anyone in one has already shown their commitment to those things​ with an actual legal document. They've already made a show of their commitment with the marriage itself. Doesn't change the messages and impl…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 09:17 PM
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Why? I would doubt that couples raised kids back then over the tribe raising all the kids too I definitely think people still pair-bonded and practiced serial monogamy, even if the children were raised communally. Perhaps. That would be commitment like enough to you? Though beyond beauty I don't know what would keep an alpha around back in the day. Indeed. But, we're all on the losing end of something in life. We're on the losing end of life itself, when you think about it. We're given existence…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 09:14 PM
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Yes. Nearly all men are, they just need to get in touch with their testosterone.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 09:10 PM
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There have been studies on estrogen, testosterone, masculinity, femininity etc. It's way more complicated than you make it out to be. It's a fools errand to talk absolutes about a topic that's so convoluted. Yeah, your studies suck. Hence they can't tell you what people already know. Now tell me if you gave any man steroids, or woman for that matter, that they wouldn't have an increase in aggression, domination, sex drive, anger, impulsivity. Oh, so then testosterone, androgens, and masculinity …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 09:10 PM
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It's not over for you, but you'd rather wait to die. You can maximize your beauty and get a woman that acts like she genuinely wants you. You can use women however you want for any purpose you craft. It's not pointless if you do it for you, despite whatever feelings drive the behavior. Or you can not try and wait to die as you will either way. To me option 3 is not an option, I'd rather just not wake up than live that life.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 09:07 PM
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Studies to prove facts and then reasoning/logic based on those established facts That's how debate has worked since day one Ummm no, there was debate before the scientific method, through philosophy because philosophy gave us our system of logic. Philosophy is where debate is and comes from, not science. So what do you do about social sciences which are not built off of facts? Like Economics for example?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 09:03 PM
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What do you mean really? I'm saying a man that is made to suppress his masculinity, like hating his violent and sexual sides, will not become a strong masculine man as a result.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 09:01 PM
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You miss the point, and control your feeling based ad hominem.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 09:00 PM
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No it's not from the 50s, it's from always. From before we had language this was true because there was no indoctrination to suppress people, create self hatred, create shame as there is now. Males and females have a nature that's different than each other's, they also have a common nature based on their species. It doesn't mean all men and all women act the same, but all men and all women share a common set of instincts, drives, tendencies, and some similar hormone levels. Our personalities lie…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 09:00 PM
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All women are their own version of RP, they believe they understand reality and what they understand is true, and they spend thousands of hours figuring out human nature for themselves along with the help of other women. RP just helps men catch up in a sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 08:54 PM
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Because on the micro level no man and woman sees each other as equals. So we don't act like it either even though some do try. Women want to feel and be feminine, men want to feel and be masculine, and a traditional relationship achieves these things well.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 08:53 PM
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Everyone's training each other lol, including the dogs.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 08:51 PM
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Come on, I'm sure you realize how hollow such a gesture can be. Are you really saying that if a woman takes the guy's last name "(as most end up doing) she will be a committed, loving, selfless wife? She won't be nagging, lying, cheating, or leave if she decides he can't provide well enough? Even if a woman takes his last name and accepts the symbolism, it is still only words. It's hardly any better than saying "I'll love you forever and ever". Plenty of these women turn around and become awesom…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 08:49 PM
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Why? It'd be quite the exciting life that only a small percentage could even pull off.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 08:45 PM
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Study wars or gtfo?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 08:45 PM
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And you'd be wrong. It's all or nothing, from a woman's perspective. Just getting the alpha seed is like only getting the bottom half of a trophy, the part that the actual trophy stands on. Why? I would doubt that couples raised kids back then over the tribe raising all the kids too. And those who are consumed can only see the harshness of nature and not the greater beauty of it all, which I find kind of sad. There could be no winners without losers, no predator without prey. We all have a place…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 08:44 PM
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Why would it be a waste of time if you enjoy it? Logic is an inhibition too. If you live for nothing, why not live for yourself at any cost?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 08:39 PM
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Women do everything for their husbands and kids while men are heralded for making this great sacrifice ?? Maybe in today's nutty feminist relationship. Women make men give up their sexual freedom. Women do what their husband demands or needs and little more. Whereas men work their lives away for their woman and family. And women seduce men quite heavily and differently compared to men, specifically to better keep him attached, in love, and from flying away. Yet you think the seducer is the slave…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 08:32 PM
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You're not much for stories or philosophy eh
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 08:28 PM
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It's not entitled, it's a strong as fuck male drive And women have a strong as fuck drive for alpha commitment, but a 300 pound woman wanting a male model for a husband wouldn't go over well with most people. It comes across as entitlement, like you believe you're so special that the other person should give up their sexual needs so you can meet yours. Hmm I'd clarify that in that women want alpha seed, not alpha commitment. As long as he protects her she's probably fine, no need for monogamy pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 08:25 PM
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Women's social advantage has almost always been confined to influence via male figures in their lives. Confined to? Meaning they don't influence other women? That's not accurate. But sure, having social advantage over men is everything. As they can be controlled and influenced by a woman's words, which many men are rather oblivious too also. This is no small power. Social power in affect is the strongest form of power as influencing people can bring massive benefits, especially if those people h…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 08:22 PM
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I don't know how you'll find a woman that's at all desirable that doesn't care about status. Typically the ones that don't are low value. Maybe if she's highly masculine and not very feminine and rejects society in general so doesn't play the social game.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 08:16 PM
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The symbolic statement matters hugely too, tells you if the wife is truly the man's or not, it speaks loudly about her mentality and view of the man, how selfish vs selfless she is.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 08:14 PM
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It's not entitled, it's a strong as fuck male drive. Men have no choice but to feel heavily compelled towards beautiful women, and instinctually men that can't get one feel like failures. Like, this drive alone causes men to kill themselves because they got unlucky genetically. But I don't really expect you to care, you should basically want such men to not reproduce anyways...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 08:13 PM
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All men are naturally masculine, the problem is their upbringing causing them to not embrace themselves, causes them to suppress themselves. It's like saying if a man needed to read a book to learn about himself he's less of a man. I don't think so at all, training and education don't make a man inherently less manly for needing either.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 08:10 PM
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Plenty exist, not all men were left growing up without strong guidance.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 08:08 PM
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It's never a need. Do you want her to have friends? Then she will have pressure to get married. My SO basically only seems to care about marriage because it raises her status and her married friends will see her relationship as more equal or legitimate, not 'oh it's just a boyfriend'. They basically take power/status from her away because she's not married, and this is normal UMC/UC and bitch tier behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 08:06 PM
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Feminism doesn't want equality. Neither does Masculinism. Fight fire with fire. However, in a backwards way, feminism weeds out weak men and increases the difference between weak and strong men. The problem is this process is ruthless and psychopathic and hurts society's overall productivity and output and capability, and women don't care on average. Unfortunately no one is really on the side of weak men at all. But that is more by design than much else.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 08:04 PM
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He's just not an HG8+ and he doesn't want anything but beautiful women so, he grits his teeth and deals with not having the best genetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 08:01 PM
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Optimally, the woman's side of the family pays for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 07:59 PM
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Optimally a woman that marries wealthy men and kills them for his estate, and then rinses and repeats.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 07:55 PM
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As in you're too inhibited to try and can't afford plastic surgery or other enhancements?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 07:53 PM
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Yes for sure criminals would be more prepared, and they'll tend to be more alpha mentality and alpha blood too.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 07:52 PM
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Yes, no cares creates no attachment and someone following themselves more so, the battle then is making sure your beliefs were selected by you, and to get rid of the ones that were not that you don't want.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 07:51 PM
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Most women want the same thing, minus whatever they already have much of.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 07:49 PM
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Undeserved privilege? Beauty is deserved privilege. Stop your slave morality it's disgusting. What stops you from maximizing your beauty?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 07:48 PM
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Strong women will admit their social advantage because admitting it doesn't hurt them. My SO is RP as fuck, it's quite fun, she's also highly manipulative, and so isn't really shy about talking about women's seduction and the power games they play with each other. Bitch tier is ruthless as fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 07:46 PM
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You deny women's social advantage by nature? You ever hear how women mature faster than men? Part of that is socially, women understand much more about people by the age of 18 than men do, this is not just nurture, but because of female nature too.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 07:45 PM
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So you'd want him purple then?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 07:42 PM
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If I ever have a daughter, then yes if course. BP men make the woman take on men's responsibilities and duties, allow for weak and lazy men. Rp men make women happy and allow women to be feminine women. If my daughter was a black widow I'd be so proud. But I'd be proud too if she bore lots of children from top men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 07:41 PM
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What if you're looking to make friends and prove to them that they can trust you, that you got their back? I don't think being nice and expecting something are mutually exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 07:38 PM
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Part of the wife taking on his last name is showing that she is his and part of the family fully, not one leg in, one leg out, valuing herself over her new family.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 07:37 PM
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Well yes, the difference is, I don't bullshit myself that I can do that while being a good person as women do. They'll blame the guy they're using for letting her use him. Lol. Brilliant really.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 07:34 PM
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Why would it suck for them?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 07:33 PM
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Could they become Conan with sufficient time and training and available modern medicine? Many could. But if we had a zombie apocalypse tomorrow, for sure most men would be royally fucked without the government protecting them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 07:32 PM
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Yup, precisely why a smarter woman tends to make for a better LTR, they're much faster at learning and you can shape them much more readily. It seems like they tend to trust more truly too as they're smart enough to understand reasoning better and don't have to simply go by authority as a dumber girl must rely on.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 07:31 PM
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It would be amazing for all men, including Chadly ones. Except for the weaker ones perhaps.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 07:17 PM
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Haha, not where I expected that to go. I've noticed as I've been noticing language more that merely mentioning things causes all sorts of behavioral responses in women. Amazing really. Casually dropping lines about stuff here and there over time creates pronounced affects and changes to behavior without needing to directly train or command. At least if she's receptive to you, which if you're in an LTR, she better be lol. Too bad you can't casually train dog's behavior in the same way however...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 07:15 PM
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Not necessarily as we have guns and men with strength work together as long as they're able to and both benefit.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 07:05 PM
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I think its women want to be free but they dont want men to be. If men are free, its scary for women. So freedom for her, but rigid rules and laws on all but the top percentile of men that can afford, via looks or money, to not follow said laws. Well yes, our freedom opposes each other. Both sides benefit from subjugating the other, but for different reasons. Men oppress women with their violence, women oppress men with their sexuality. You are right that the top percentage don't follow laws as …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 07:04 PM
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Nah, they still selectively use it. It's like all the not Christian Christians running around selectively using their religion.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 07:01 PM
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Why isn't it both? They're entitled because they do nice things?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 06:59 PM
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This person acts good and nice but is empty and hollow. If they're actually nice depends on how you care about mentality and intent vs actions and consequences. They're not a friend I'd like for anything more than to use them for networking or other perks or feeding off their image.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 06:58 PM
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You're just really hateful towards a position you don't seem to understand much at all, or even care about, which makes it even worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 06:55 PM
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It's not trivial at all, a lot of why men even want children at all is for legacy, and their family name is part of that legacy. Especially if you come from a renown family.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 06:53 PM
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It's status. You get to show off to all your family and friends, the woman gets to be a princess for a day, it also shows how much control the woman has over her man. I like weddings, great for networking and talking to faces, lots of dressing up.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 06:52 PM
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The idea of union is stupid isn't it. All that paperwork for such a non symbolic thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 06:51 PM
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Only real women die for their man. I'd never LTR a woman that wouldn't die for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 06:50 PM
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Lol but it was textbook disingenuous arguing...
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 06:46 PM
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Women's innate desire for freedom is way stronger than men's. Men want a strict societal hierarchy, one with logical rules, one that they can fight their way to the top in. They want to control and possess everything in their environment, especially women. That's a great point. As yeah, no rules or hierarchy gives no way to compete as men want to. Women would rather have more fluid, relaxed social hierarchies that form and break organically, without much conflict. Absolutely. I think it also mak…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 06:24 PM
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I agree. Women hate feeling trapped much more than men, even if they trapped themselves. At the same time they want to be free to trap themselves, and play victim and deny responsibility, so they like to explore that freedom by leading guys on and making promises they're clearly not gonna keep (like "if I stop having sex with you, I offer you $100 as insurance. No I'm not lying"). They want to have their cake and eat it too in every facet of life. Be free to trap themselves is a very good way to…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 06:20 PM
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I have not, what came to your mind? How many inhibitions do you think Hannibal Lecter has? Haha
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 06:04 PM
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This is just a real garble of words, sugar. Feminism is about forcing people to view you in a different way instead of changing yourself, eradicating gender and even race. Aren't they wanting people to view them differently because they're not able to do what they want without consequences they don't like? It's not about freedom, it's about a very privileged group of people asking for more and biting down on the hands that feed them =\ It's all thought and speech suppression, destroying words an…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 05:34 PM
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Bonus question: does their idea of how a man should act have an impact on the type of women they attract? I don't think you disagree with how RP says men should act. Is the idea that women are illogical children that only care about attention and validation based on the fact that they are laying out the perfect bait for those kinds of women and being a red flag for others? Which isn't something you'll found said anywhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 04:25 PM
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If anything, RP works best on healthy women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 04:23 PM
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Exactly. Any man who is attractive to somebody is alpha in some way, hence TRP is always right. Sexually attractive. Not flat out attractive. There is no true definition of an "alpha" man. It's a steaming pile of crock. There's enough of a definition for it to be useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 04:22 PM
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The "alpha male" described by the Red Pill sounds like a man in a traditional marriage which sounds horrible. That kind of man sees their partner as child and not as an equal. Not as a child but not as a man either. A woman is not a man and is never his equal. Different and capable in other ways at best. Still needs to have her emotions handled in ways men do not. I don't like men who are bodybuilders, players, arrogant or narcissistic. I don't mind a man being dominant but I want my opinion to …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 04:21 PM
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I'm 6'4" and my brother is 6'7". We're both skinny motherfuckers, especially him. Where does that fit into the whole situation? Height is interesting, it's definitely a testosterone signal Is height determined by how much T you got during puberty? (I heard that voice-depth is determined by that.) It's a combination of testosterone and genetics. Regarding height and voice-depth, will it be possible in the future to affect those things by infusing a male child with a lot of T during puberty? Yes i…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 04:14 PM
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I found this post fascinating; great post. Can you elaborate on the nature of each of the four quadrants that you outlined? I love the idea of these four quadrants: AF, AB, BF, BB. But I'd love to see more detail regarding the nature of each, including as many evocative examples as possible and even any images or examples from film if possible. Your AF is your powerful man that's brave and does whatever he wants. Typically they lean towards the criminal or evil side, but do not have to. Wolverin…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 04:02 PM
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Social hierarchies exist, pretending they do not does not erase them. An Alpha Male would be the individual male who is at the top of the social hierarchy because he displays adapted dominant characteristics. You are moralizing this drastically and assigning narrow variables for how a male becomes considered "Alpha" or "Beta". There are going to be traits that are conducive to this yes, but if you are Alpha and have nothing to show for it, then it is meaningless entirely. Technically yes, there'…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 03:36 PM
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You seem to understand intuitively understanding something, but then don't want to apply it to intuitive systems.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 03:33 PM
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Have you tried analyzing people much through the MBTI framework? Yes there are personality types that make better alphas, betas, act more masculine or feminine.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 03:32 PM
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Better suited in what way? It probably ends up with something like this, you take any group of men, and the ones with higher testosterone will come to dominate and out compete the ones with lesser testosterone. But even then, I think if everyone had a higher baseline testosterone level, men would benefit overall, competition would increase, and women would find the men sexier too.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 03:30 PM
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As in, they were just acting like that and weren't really that way? What changed your mind about them?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 03:27 PM
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It isn't all about the drive and mentality, that is just one aspect, the more useful aspect, but not the only aspect. Genes do matter still, two men of similar caliber, the one with better genetics has the advantage and would likely get picked over the other by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 03:26 PM
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This would be true if children could well avoid being indoctrinated, knew what was true or not, knew how to protect themselves and shape themselves. But it is not the case. If someone is lied to and their mind controlled from birth then you very well can have an alpha that's suppressed into acting like a beta and this sort of man is commonly full of self hatred too.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 03:25 PM
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Betas are more likely to deny their existence
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 02:26 AM
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Actually that is a correlation, women that are self described alpha women or are more masculinized women in general tend to have higher than average testosterone levels.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 12:12 AM
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I'm not sure about all, but I do think most are able to be. Changing mentality and hormone levels goes quite a long way.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 12:10 AM
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What is a genuine nice guy like to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/17 12:08 AM
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The part about alpha women, what do you think about that?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/17 05:43 PM
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Alpha genetics with blue pill conditioning makes an Alpha Bucks typically. An alpha by genetics with a beta mentality.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/17 05:42 PM
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I find it useful to acknowledge how you are. No ones perfect, everyone knows they could be genetically better in some way. But that's just how it is. From there mentality is what makes all the difference and brings people the life the want anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/17 05:41 PM
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Culture breeds mentality. Media breeds mentality. Media is expression of culture. What do you think I'm missing?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/17 04:43 PM
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I love Jung. It's not the female equivalent at all. Are you unfamiliar with MBTI? www.cognitiveprocesses.com
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/17 04:39 PM
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Alpha mentality when unchecked should end up with a highly alpha mentality. Height is interesting, it's definitely a testosterone signal, but I don't think a short guy is inherently low T, he just is more likely to be. If you're naturally on the more violent side and put on muscle easier you're probably high T and thus alpha by blood. Alphas are genetically designed to be warriors.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/17 04:37 PM
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Lol yes, but it is useful too often enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/17 04:30 PM
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Yes exactly, needy men and men that are not highly masculine and highly status go hand in hand.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/17 04:03 PM
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This list is bad for reasons others have pointed out. However, you're also not touching on another form of toxic masculinity, how the feminine values placed on men hurt men and weaken them. Most Nice Guys are over socialized with feminine values, toxic femininity is what made them.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/17 04:01 PM
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Why do you think dating outside race and culture is much harder for a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/17 03:58 PM
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No idea why you think rp is so rigid. Nuance is everything. Not that you've possibly read much rp material to actually understand it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/17 03:58 PM
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What I'm thinking of is overly violent where its detrimental to themselves or their goals. Unchecked anger sort of overly violent.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/17 03:54 PM
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There's a huge difference between masculine men that also do feminine things and a man being an effeminate man or unmasculine man. The first is normal, your biker baking cakes is precisely that. He follows my dichotomy, he is masculine primarily, and feminine afterwards, and so he's fine and does well. The later two are outliers.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/17 03:53 PM
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Most people are not just some way, they're influenced towards some way by society or family, it's not their choice. Most Tomboys are the result of normal girls being made too masculinized for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/17 05:50 AM
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Do you think that's most men? That's an outlier, a dude that feels more like a woman than a man, like he's supposed to be feminine, is not a normal man.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/17 05:48 AM
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I respect what you're saying; I personally strongly disagree with it, but I respect it. I feel what you view as being allowed to act masculine/feminine, I view as, well, being taught to embrace yourself and be confident. How are men expected to figure out who they are before developing their masculinity? And I agree; feminism tends to promote toxic femininity in the sense that it doesn't sympathize with modern male issues nearly as much as it does for women. The reason so many are opposed to wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/17 05:47 AM
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What are the definitions of toxic masculinity and femininity to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 07:37 PM
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Unless you submit you never stop.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 06:25 PM
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objectively however, the result is the same How are the results the same? also, I kind of don't give a shit about society, we should be going against the tide, not submitting to it Trying to accomplish what?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 06:18 PM
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Give me an alternative then if you will. What happens to boys that are coddled and brought up pain averse, to be sensitive and kind, like girls are to be typically. When they're 21 and pain averse and sensitive and kind for example, how do women treat them, how do people treat them at work.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 06:11 PM
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Crazies are the most fun however
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 06:08 PM
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That is not what toxic masculinity or toxic femininity mean... Toxic masculinity isn't being raised with too much femininity. It's being raised with only 1 form of masculinity, the Arnold Schwartzenager type of masculinity. Arnold is a God among men. Bodybuilding records, top level successful actor and celebrity, governor of the biggest and most liberal state. Doesn't that prove it all really? The most feminist state loves one of the most hypermasculine men to ever have existed! There is only on…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 06:07 PM
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Because the rule says this and rules must be followed
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 06:02 PM
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This is what men hope she'll respond like
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 06:02 PM
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But you do try, if you are a self respecting man, to fuck her unconscious. An amazing feeling of satisfaction every time
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 04:57 PM
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There is a giant difference, raising a boy to be masculine is not toxic masculinity being placed on him. It's bringing out his nature further, not suppressing it, imbalancing it, confusing it. Same goes for raising women to be feminine.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 04:44 PM
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Exactly, feminized men are way worse off than masculinized women.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 04:43 PM
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I labeled it CMV, I'm always up for debate too, though discussion is more typical.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 04:41 PM
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Haha precisely
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 03:54 PM
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You haven't had mind blowing sex? That's unfortunate!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 03:53 PM
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Lol, how'd the bf take it?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 03:53 PM
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What did you notice when she hit the wall?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 03:52 PM
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Best has been with my current girlfriend, we explore so many fetishes/kinks/whatever with each other and it's so damn hot. And she's special to me, I love her ofc or she wouldn't be my gf. Sounds ideal! Awesome. Worst would be with one of my ex's where I was so fucked on drugs I couldn't get it up at all. Felt like the end of the world at the time and I was too stupid at 18 to understand that STIMULANTS STOP YOUR DICK WORKING! That is extremely counter intuitive.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 03:51 PM
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I think he's getting at the fact that men are made to be addicted to women by other women, not by their own choice. We are conditioned to need women for example, to crave them, it is part of what women do when raising a son. But I think he's also referring to how women seduce men, make men think that they genuinely love or like or desire him, which women may actually believe at the moment, when in reality they're attracted to his money or perks and not actually him.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 06:36 AM
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That would imply alpha traits being displayed would send you to jail which isn't the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 06:26 AM
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It's the most important factor, especially for the beautiful women all men want.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 12:38 AM
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That women care immensely about looks, that a woman's love is dangerous, that she doesn't love you how you love her, that women are not able to act and think like men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 12:37 AM
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Stupid. Cognitive. Dissonance.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 12:35 AM
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Ah, I understand that. Must have been tough, but it's good to see you've figured it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 12:28 AM
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What could be better about your face? How can I answer that ? It could be better being more attractive ! I have a shitty face (to be more polite I d say I haven't a face good enough). Yeah but how? What's wrong with your face? Jaw line? Symmetry? Eyes? Nose? You're not an incel but have trouble keeping women? No I am not an incel I have an average N-count for here (18). Women leave me to get better that's all. Better in what way? Have you yet seen how hollow a woman's desire and affection is? I …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 12:27 AM
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But they're not so stop expecting a just world and accept a brutal world and stop being so needy of other's feelings. Or don't, and keep crying and see where that gets you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 12:25 AM
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Yet your dismissive position is what, wisdom? The beauty of any man or woman is heavily influenced by their hormone levels, testosterone levels are entirely relevant, and they comes with plenty of affects beyond physical ones, hormones change the brain too.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 12:24 AM
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It's funny that I still surprise you at all
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 12:21 AM
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No, I'm talking about strong and weak men. Women are all weak, even the strongest ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/17 12:20 AM
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Hahaha, you ever see that show? Jesus how did I not go rp sooner. Ah right, those women were the wrong sort of women, NAWALT. Ugh.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 11:34 PM
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sigh, incels I wish I could see him in action
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 11:32 PM
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That's the point. They want their alphas back.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 11:28 PM
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Snow has an alpha face. Almost no roundness. Asians naturally look less alpha as they have less t
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 11:28 PM
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There's no such thing as better or worse levels of testosterone either?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 11:27 PM
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The cock is wisest
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 11:22 PM
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The same with "sins". One sin leads to another, and virtues do not make you inhibit sins better, they make you less sinful, less tempted. It's not an easy road and it's not this simple, it's not just a matter of decision. But you, again, have it all wrong - I am not inhibiting my sinful desires. I am slowly killing them within me, and when they are dead, I feel no temptations at all. How do you kill them? You adopt beliefs that make you not want to take the sinful action. You reward yourself for…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 11:20 PM
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No I'm not worried about mathematical proof or hard proof. If it's logically coherent then that is some proof.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 11:06 PM
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They had sex first and then went to sleep. If there was no sex first then it'd make no sense for him to fuck her later.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 11:05 PM
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Why do you bother doing that stuff for him? To show your gratitude?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 11:00 PM
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Lol I suppose. But, my statement still stands. Words have different meaning to men and women, and different purposes too.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 10:58 PM
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If that was true I'd be dead or locked up.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 10:56 PM
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If I fucked her yesterday and she never left I don't need consent again to fuck her today. Yes you do what in the actual fuck. You're smarter than this. Legally, you are wrong. You have to have consent EVERY TIME you fuck someone. The fact that some couples/partners/spouses engage in this sort of thing and enjoy it and it's wanted and they never report it as sexual assault doesn't diminish this fact. If they had agreed to this sort of conduct BEFOREHAND or if she had consented to it previously t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 10:56 PM
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Forcing women to sleep with guys they don't feel attraction to isn't what women actually want. Of course! Also if you're looking at it from an evolutionary standpoint like Rp usually does, forcing women to marry crappy men is just creating more and more offspring with bad genes. Completely agree lol. But feminism replaces one system with another that's weaker and will not stand the test of time and war.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 10:49 PM
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Awwee, thanks I think, but that isn't something she can Instagram, or post pictures of on FB. If that's all you have, it can get you laid from a bar, or get her to talk to you initially in a grocery store or such- until she realizes her ex, or new match she just found has more money or a nice car. I know, there's women out there who care about something more, and deeper than that- who are married or attached. Or 300lbs, or are bipolar, or on way worse drugs than weed. Thanks though;D Yeah I know…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 10:47 PM
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Oh yeah i am fine with my height but I don t kid myself thinking it's not a bad point for dating. I will never ever damage my really well fonctionning body for pussies even if I love them. Face is more important than height. What could be better about your face? Yes of course i have fun ! There is no magic here. My women (gf or not) think they can do better and they probably can. That s why they have Power. And no i do not only chase or date model ^ You're not an incel but have trouble keeping w…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 10:43 PM
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You really value being desired and loved?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 10:42 PM
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Hmm sure okay, tech leaders are not necessarily high T.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 10:41 PM
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naaah, if anything, I think most men have alpha in them and would be happy to use it if there were more outlets to show it off. Currently, the only outlets to show off alpha traits are tightly controlled by the government and media. Think stuff like sports, politics, etc. those areas are rigged by those with money/status so their actions arent punished but applauded. I honestly think more men would show the alpha side if they didnt have to worry about some douchebag with a badge and a gun haulin…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 10:40 PM
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Conor mcgregor is an alpha, George Clooney is a successful and charming beta dude. Both are alpha blood, Connor is alpha mentality, Clooney is alpha but feminine too. Testosterone can shape your looks via bone structure and shoulder width etc but it doesn't automatically make you good looking. 2 separate variables that are marginally linked to each other. It's good looking to women, bone structure and shoulders are hugely important.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 10:38 PM
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Sure, we could probably create a society that hardened women and made them less anxious, more masculine. But we're just turning our women into men then, which is worse for everyone really.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 10:37 PM
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Lol which is basically how I define it, A needy person is too needy for their partner. But all women are needy, and a successful relationship requires the man to be less needy than her(which she then makes up for with sex).
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 10:36 PM
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Yup, it's like a soft reset so you can ride the wave again
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 10:35 PM
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You mean Nitzschean? Not very familiar, but a short search makes me think I have neither or both, or basically mine is perpendicular or more layered than either of them. Still, where is weakness in me? I could stand against you and I could kill you in cold blood if that was the right thing to do. I am gathering personal power, investing in myself, becoming stronger every day according to my ability. Where is this alleged weakness? In that I have self constrained myself to follow the higher ideal…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 10:33 PM
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Oh God, men and women define like 90% of words differently. Respect Nice Dignity Love Truth
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 10:29 PM
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Does he ask you for things daily or almost daily then?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 10:28 PM
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Obviously different than OP where they had sex before sleep.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 10:24 PM
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I think you have a very wrong picture. I am not denying myself anything that I would want. There's plenty of pursuits that are not, for lack of a better word, sinful. The right way of life is about balance, we live in a real world, so we can't focus on spiritual only. My philosophy of life is not based on the promise of heaven, it's just as mundane as yours. The fact that you cannot derive ethics without axiology does not make me any less sure about my ethical beliefs than I am sure of laws of p…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 10:23 PM
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I do get the hedonism treadmill, which is why you need ever increasing intensity and/or variation. But hedonistic stuff is viscerally exciting and intense in a way that intellectual happiness/fulfillment from work doesn't provide? It's different really. My work is definitely what keeps me at an above normal mood, but it doesn't, at least not yet, compare to my hedonistic indulgences, especially hedonistic + spiritual acts.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 10:14 PM
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Cause you're not an idiot :)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 10:08 PM
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Rather, she had unreasonable expectations to begin with. It's like if a woman is wearing just a thong in your bed, you try to grab her by the pussy, and she gets angry at you for even trying. Unreasonable expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 10:07 PM
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More like, women have all these things they'd like help with or added to their life or some shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 10:05 PM
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Sounds like you were highly anxious. Couldn't have more comfort helped? Or was it never enough comfort?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 10:04 PM
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I don't see how really. Makes it more clear in a sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 10:03 PM
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I don't think most women are intentionally abusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 10:02 PM
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I don't like the term demand, but I expect emotional fidelity, consistent (pleasurable) sex, companionship, fatherly abilities, and enforced rules/boundaries for my behavior. Beyond that he can do as he pleases. I mean like day to day requests or things you spontaneously ask for. Female neediness strikes me as an emotional cage for men. Eventually her needs will supersede his ability to fulfill them, effectively locking him into a role of always placating, never satisfying. Controlling her needs…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 10:01 PM
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Lol neutral act my ass
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 10:00 PM
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Nearly all introverted girls have anxiety imo, and plenty of extroverted ones. Yes, lots of winos, it dulls the edge on their anxiety.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 10:00 PM
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I disagree. Beauty is much more than the physical. Men can be physically beautiful but if they open their mouth and say stupid/ignorant/hateful shit, then their beauty diminishes a lot! They can be physically nothing special (or 'alpha') but say the right things, and suddenly they are much more attractive. I have really 'weird' crushes on comedians David Mitchell and Frankie Boyle. Neither are 'alphas' in the way you mean, but both are very intelligent, insightful and confident - and that makes …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 09:59 PM
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Impossible, penises have minds of their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 09:57 PM
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Your mentality is pretty much that of a Christian's and you call man's nature sinful, praise selflessness, demonize pride and dominance, presumably are power averse. You preach slave morality and wonder why I call it weak? Do you know what noble morality is?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 09:56 PM
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When does someone go from not needy to needy?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 09:53 PM
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But people would still believe Creationism is more true than Who knows? That your imperfect model is better than their no model (even though I don't think thats true), because people are more likely to believe your incorrect model if there are no alternatives. Yeah I got it. But... Just because more people will accept some model over no model, doesn't make the accepted model any more or less correct. Creationism has some support. So you have a model with some support vs a model of nothing. There…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 09:51 PM
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I make it understood that I deliver my own justice
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 09:49 PM
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My SO according to PPD is both needy and not needy. Which is it? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 09:48 PM
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I don't think that's what she's saying. I agree with OP that, all things considered, neediness is generally a negative thing. The thing is, you're using "needy" to mean "having needs" and that's not how most people use the word. Literally everyone has needs in a relationship; to say everyone is needy would defeat the purpose of the word. Neediness is insecurity, a desperate need for attention/validation and a need for constant reassurance and coddling. That's what most people mean when they use …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 09:47 PM
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Rape fantasies are about being desired, not actually about being fucked when she doesn't want to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 09:46 PM
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Which create inhibitions lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 09:45 PM
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It's totally relevant, she's got to be asleep to play.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 09:44 PM
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Right? Not that needy but still needy? Words are meaningless /facepalm
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 09:44 PM
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"Someone with needs" is different from "needy". Everyone has needs. A whole, self-actualized mature person can fulfill most or all of those needs themself, at least most of the time, that is a big part of what being an "adult" is in our society. Someone who is "needy" is unable to fulfill a significant amount of their own needs and requires their partner and the people around them to provide an inordinate amount of fulfillment. The term typically refers to someone who requires enough that the pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 09:42 PM
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You may not be a whore, but you are wearing a whore's uniform.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 09:37 PM
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Second date? What a prude
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 09:36 PM
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Nah, just leverage, implicit threats It's not worth fucking with me basically
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 09:35 PM
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Base instincts are boring? Idk about that. They seem to be the most viscerally exciting.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 09:34 PM
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What stops anyone but inhibitions?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 09:33 PM
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Your definition may be consistent in your head, but it's inconsistent with the bulk of western legal language. Show me a law that says unconscious people can consent to sex, or that consent to one encounter means ongoing consent to all future encounters. Right, but it's all grey fuzzy blurry lines. Not all future encounters, but continuous ones. If I fucked her yesterday and she never left I don't need consent again to fuck her today. I think your definition causes massive confusion - it prevent…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 09:32 PM
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The lower status a man is the more needy he'll probably be, lots of low status men here. Agreed about women nurturing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 09:26 PM
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You think I have sympathy for those men? Lol. Please, I spread my hatred fairly and objectively. Plus, women need their alpha seed! It's a tough world.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 09:25 PM
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It's like a woman having relationship needs is flat out bad. I think OP is scared to be vulnerable and depend on a man for anything at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 09:23 PM
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Lol it's really funny actually, but makes no sense either.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 09:22 PM
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IMO this is a case of someone seeing two things that come together and identifying the wrong part of it. If you're needy and actually good at getting those needs done by someone else, then you're also really persuasive/manipulative/charismatic/convincing -- whatever you want to call it. Whatever you call it, it's enticing & alluring & attractive. It's not like we are truly convinced to do something we don't want to do or have to do by someone who disgusts us. Yes! So the saps talking about how t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 09:22 PM
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Someone that's giving and not needy is a high status man. Which is your ideal relationship /u/elitespartanranger, two high status men dating, except one has a pussy. I guess my SO doesn't exist since she's very giving, rather needy, is confident and capable too, and will drop me when she doesn't want me anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 09:18 PM
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We've just redefined consent to be convenient for women, and easily exploitable, as the OP did, when she couldn't control herself, as women often enough can't. My definition is consistent and without confusion and prevents stupidity like the OPs situation from happening. Men are not purely rational creatures, especially not with an attractive woman next to them, and we do not have free will. Yet we expect men to be 1000% logically controlled always. Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 09:14 PM
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You know women with zero insecurity? This idea that a woman that has many insecurities is somehow bad or broken is basically misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 09:11 PM
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It's annoying and frustrating. At best it is inconvenient, and at worst it is smothering. It demonstrates a lack of trust and respect, and that trust and respect can never be earned because it's not based on anything you do or don't do, it's entirely founded in their irrational self-image. Hmm not for me at all. I understand my SOs distrust and insecurity. It's not only her self image, but our dynamic and my image. I just find her neediness cute. I fuck with her about it too. I don't let it anno…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 09:10 PM
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Someone with needs is not a whole person? What about neediness caused by dread? A woman can't be with me without feeling some insecurity and need for comfort/reassurance.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 09:05 PM
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Missing the point
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 09:04 PM
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There was PIV, it's not just sleeping next to someone. If a woman enters a man's bedroom when they're dating, that is consent in many ways. Don't want to fuck a man? Don't go into his bedroom, don't even be at his place alone. Presuming not just friends of course, but even then, wisdom to follow this as much as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 09:04 PM
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Yes, but both are fine vulnerability is attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 08:59 PM
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That's the low SMV man's life.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 08:58 PM
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Why would you want to spend time dealing with that shit when you can simply choose someone who doesn't give you that shit? That sounds like a girl saying "I want to date a bad boy, change him into a nice guy and then marry him". Haha I see why it sounds like that. The answer seems obvious to me? That woman is desired for her other benefits. I love hyperfeminine women, how can I expect them to not be needy in ways? It's impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 08:58 PM
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So those women are eternally doomed? That's like a third of the population if not more lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 08:56 PM
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No they're not. It's a mutual trade that allows people to to specialize. It created attraction too letting them complement each other. There is zero entitlement either, men get rewarded for what they give to their woman. If he wasn't satisfied with what she gives him for what he gives her, he would either demand more, give her less, or leave. It's like you simply see a normal masculine feminine dynamic as terrible for women to do to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 08:56 PM
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What are you referring to exactly
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 08:52 PM
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Beta men submitted to women's frame as beta men do and freed them out of their own stupidity. But betas can't see that if they want the glorious beta life, they must keep their women subjugated.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 08:52 PM
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Your attempts to position yourself above me are first of all unfounded and second - revealing. See, all my life discussion have been about merit for me. This is because I did not have to remove many inhibitions. I am naturally like what you're trying to be. But you hit and miss in my opinion. You are mistaking all sorts of constraints, like those self imposed, with inhibitions. Anyway, I know, I know, it's your freedom to be proud and obnoxious, but it's not really rational. You do it because yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 08:50 PM
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But people would still believe Creationism is more true than Who knows? See my point? Not to mention, the model I've built is useful, which is what I care about most.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 08:44 PM
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Men can easily learn to handle and control women's emotional abuse or whatever bullshit comes out of their mouth. As long as she isn't breaking my shit or causing physical damage, it's not an issue. If she will not bend to my will, she gets replaced.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 08:43 PM
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Totally his fault she didn't sleep somewhere else too.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 08:41 PM
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No it's not sexual assault. You agreed to be sexual with him and slept with him. Everything(minus physically harming) is effectively fair game at that point. Especially because he stopped when you asked. Yes you may have felt violated and uncomfortable, but that is the consequence of your actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 08:38 PM
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It's funny how men want their woman to be at least somewhat hard to get or else we hold it against them. Stupid human psychology lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 08:33 PM
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I mean, women never love the man himself so...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 08:32 PM
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You demand nothing from your husband? At all? Masculine personality is different than male brained too.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 08:29 PM
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Being needy and not wanting a man she's attracted to get away are different no?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 08:27 PM
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So the only healthy women are women that are basically acting and thinking like men. Color me surprised by your viewpoint.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 08:25 PM
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Really? I see needy women everywhere. I'm surprised by the genuinely not or barely needy woman. But, I'm also very not needy, so that's likely a part of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 08:23 PM
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The more masculine a man is the more neediness he can handle. The less masculine a man is, the less neediness he can handle. Most women are not going to be put their man first and be selfish, but they can put their man first and be self centered.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 08:22 PM
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I think you're trying to say less emotional women are less needy and value their man for not emotional things and that makes it less volatile?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 08:19 PM
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What makes hypergamy bullshit to you? How do you define it?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 08:13 PM
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All behavior that can be curbed.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 08:12 PM
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Your logic would expect the hottest girls to not be needy cause they have abundance mentality. Yeah right! But you are correct that needier women tend to be more AWALT, goes hand in hand with femininity.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 08:12 PM
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I'm incredibly attached to having at least some distance between me and my loved ones. Don't really see why constant curiosity about my whereabouts or someone who prioritizes me over everything else would be attractive. Its endearing, tells you they care, have you on their mind. Attached to distance is an interesting way to put it. I'd also prefer someone who wants to be with me but is capable of leaving when it no longer suits her. That kind of independence is attractive to me, I have no need f…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 08:10 PM
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Yes that's a good way to put it really. Most women can make themselves less needy, but it's also more stressful and less fun, makes them less carefree and their natural self.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 08:06 PM
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There exist women that can make themselves happy but still are needier than their man. What about them?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 08:03 PM
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What stops the man from changing her needy behavior that he doesn't like?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 08:02 PM
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What about women that are naturally anxious for example? Not all women can be the hardened and tough sort.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 08:01 PM
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What makes you say it's not a fun position to be in? It makes the woman more vulnerable in ways, and vulnerability itself is sexually attractive too to a dominant man.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 08:00 PM
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Naturally I agree, pleasantly surprised to have inspired you u/sunhappy_dc
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 07:58 PM
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Needy people are superentitled to you. Not as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 07:57 PM
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It holds up to their criticism just fine because they have no alternative. If you say I'm wrong and don't say anything is right, I can't do anything with your belief. My less than perfect model is better than their no model.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 07:45 PM
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You don't see the inherent problem of a species having its weakest members protected and promoted, while having its strongest members suppressed and hated? Instead of having strength promoted and attempting to raise everyone up, we attempt to drag everyone down for equality and fairness. Yet it doesn't prevent the strong in sheep's clothing from using the weak masses for themselves anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 07:29 PM
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But isn't your post saying that alpha is straight up genetics? What room then is there for "alpha mentality" Yes it focuses on genetics because that's what women care about first. Alpha mentality is there and exists, my last submission about alphas was basically about alpha mentality and not alpha beauty, and women don't know or really care too much about alpha mentality. But, they do care some, an upper beta is basically a lower or mid t man with alpha mentality in several ways. Anyway I'm not …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 07:19 PM
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Rather, they select for attractiveness almost regardless of intelligence, but not quite. Women want the most attractive man they can get that's hopefully at least as smart as they are. I don't think women can really tell how smart a man is that's smarter than them, it's all just some form of smarter.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 07:17 PM
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Too beta by blood??? Set do you write poetry ever?? It seems like you could. I probably could yeah, especially these days. One day perhaps, probably as song lyrics. Something like the following and of course dedicated to PPD's other great lover of Poetry /u/Atlas_B_Shruggin Ode to a Beta by SetConsumes Thou still unravished beta of quietness Thou foster child of choreplay and orbiting Sylvan historian, with their STFU who canst thus express A flowery tale more sweetly than skittles What leafring…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 07:15 PM
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and they call them alphas
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 07:09 PM
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Every one of these 'successful' societies ends up with women revolting once enough prosperity is attained, Ala Feminism Women have no problem being controlled by an alpha. They abhor being controlled by a beta. When they do not need beta's money, they rather be single than be controlled by one. The evidence is all around you today.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 07:05 PM
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My definition of alpha includes your alphas, but you fail to see the alphas that do not make themselves act evil. An alpha can be anything, they can be good and positive for society if they so choose to be. You deny their existence however, or else your theory falls apart.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 07:03 PM
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My emotional empathy is either not there or almost not there. I went through Existentialism, Buddhism when I was younger, that helped me undo a lot of my indoctrination and conscience. Rp helped me remove remaining inhibitions revolving around masculinity. You are still very inhibited by your Christian dogma. See it, if you care to be free.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 07:01 PM
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I wouldn't say that. Being beautiful can sometimes come down to how one presents themselves. Doing your makeup, dressing to flatter your body shape, and getting your hair to do what you want is all trial and error. Sure, I was thinking about more serious failure where someone tends to feel at least a little bad. To me, easy is just another way of saying lazy. Are men really fine with settling down with a woman, not because he connects with her on a deeper level, but because it's easier than doin…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 06:58 PM
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Their perspective is too selfish and self centered, it's not the highest stage of development. At best that person is medium value, and you also ignore the actual attitude of the person which is immensely important.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 06:50 PM
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Of course however, being neutral is most advantageous from an opportunistic perspective, and one that most women enjoy staying in because of the flexibility it affords.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 06:45 PM
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Yup, so they're irrelevant. I know that masculinity and femininity are real and exist and matter. I've offered proof before, to not see it and acknowledge it is pure cognitive dissonance, which I am not going to try and break for people.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 06:44 PM
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Yeah right, I don't know what else to say to them either. But it proves you wrong, fitness, grooming, social skills, are not always enough to attract a woman. There's more to it. Like, some like that can't even get a date!
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 06:43 PM
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Yeah seriously not difficult.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 06:38 PM
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Genetically Clooney is alpha. Mike Tyson isn't ugly, he just has an African nose which I presume is attractive to African women and some other women too? Trump was decently handsome
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 06:38 PM
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Doubtful, can't scientifically determine what masculine or feminine are.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 06:35 PM
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The most commonly seen thing today is a woman getting a baby from an alpha when she's young and then marrying a beta when she's older. Single mothers probably 80% of them are this.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 06:35 PM
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More like, all men can be scientists, not all men have the best genetics.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 06:33 PM
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Perhaps a Civilization model that promotes and protects weak men and weakness is not sustainable.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 06:33 PM
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Alphas and beautiful men correlate with higher IQ and intelligence. Quick link Beautiful people have higher intelligence than ugly people, especially if they are men. Though beauty and female intelligence are far less correlated interestingly enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 06:32 PM
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Or figure out how to deal with men that are too beta by blood.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 06:28 PM
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How can you say women are unworthy gatekeepers? They are the gatekeepers, they know what man is worthy or not by their instincts and biology. It however leaves many men excluded, and so your anger is reasonable, but women act in interest of the species in the way they know best.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 06:27 PM
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I don't care for people that deny square one. They have nothing to offer. I do want to hear from people that agree with me partially but not fully.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 06:25 PM
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Because a discussion format would be better and more useful to all. This isn't really something I'm unsure of but at the same time doesn't mean I have down 100% either.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 06:25 PM
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Find me a powerful man with low testosterone.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 06:24 PM
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Why does that really matter how risk seeking they are?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 06:23 PM
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I compel you to then explain /u/trail22 who is well groomed, fit, and has social skills, while being undesirable to women. Do correct me if I'm wrong trail22
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 06:23 PM
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Not necessarily, only if they beauty corresponds.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 06:21 PM
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That is how you get alpha by blood men acting like betas.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 06:21 PM
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Go dismiss it, and be happy with your theory of nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 06:17 PM
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It's a scale. So men with more testosterone will look more alpha. There's also a difference between being genetically alpha and alpha in mentality.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 06:16 PM
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Lol, maybe you learned something from this exchange
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 04:33 PM
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If most people could do it then it wouldn't be high value
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 04:29 PM
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Plenty of low status people are like this too...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 04:28 PM
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Tell me which one gives you faster service. Tell me which country has lower taxes.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 04:26 PM
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You think you're not dominant while being confident and dgaf? Of course you are, and you assert yourself as you please too. And by muscley, it means having some muscle development, not necessarily being a mass monster.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 04:23 PM
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Haha, the result of removing your inhibitions
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 04:21 PM
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Your face is cringeworthy
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 04:00 PM
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Idk how many times to say, that's just one form of attractiveness. The criminal bad boy is a turn on to many women. The fun party guy is a turn on to many women. High confidence is hypermasculine. High dgaf mentality is hypermasculine. Hypermasculine is not just high violence or strength.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 03:58 PM
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You're confusing typical alpha behavior with what an alpha is. Bismarck was an alpha, he went to war and united his country and then stopped. As just one easy example. However, Alphas ultimately are basically the most beautiful men to women. They are what a manly high testosterone being looks like to them. So alphas are the ones with the short term mating strategy, not just when they're young, it's always like that really. Because they can and women want their babies and they also don't want to …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 03:54 PM
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People will never mostly act logically. I gave up on that dream years ago. People are mostly irrational because we are animals, not something special, just self aware ones with language. You cannot be your own leader without being selfish. Selfish enough to value yourself and your own opinion above what others will tell you to do. So you have a contradiction there. To not be a slave to pain is to embrace pain. I am a sadist and a masochist, that is the result of embracing pain. Greater than the …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 03:46 PM
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5'7" isn't too short really, but it is not tall either. I'm not at all against enhancing yourself, surgery, gear, whatever. If it's really just looks, I don't see why not. Do you typically have fun when you go out?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 02:23 PM
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What do you mean you're showing no signs of masculinity? You have high confidence in yourself, have fun being yourself and dgaf. That's quite masculine, it makes you less insecure and needy than plenty of women, and the fun side is even more attractive. Combine that with being social and you then appear to have decent status. It sounds like you're decent at flirting and making women feel comfortable around you and keeping them having a good time too.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 02:20 PM
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Yes, quite true. Desperate men will attract even needier women than they are. Lots of mentally unstable women are super needy especially.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 06:58 AM
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You know the guys at the bar who try and just be the badass, or who use campy negging/pickup strategies, or who are too cool to sing along with some song with the bar even though it's stupid. Lol sure. I've never been afraid to look a little dumb if it means I'm having fun, and most times that attracts more good reactions than bad. That is a very not needy mentality, you're not afraid to be yourself. My friend is about 5'8, dresses out of thrift stores. Mostly t shirts and old sweaters. Is he fu…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 04:12 AM
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It's stemming from your violent side. The need for strategy is for survival first, building second. Outwitting your opponent and what not. However, instead of suppressing our violent and angry energy as many do, it can be channeled into whatever needs to be done to make it strong, useful, and constructive. Like my violent side went into debate and competition for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 03:51 AM
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You're ignoring your most valuable asset that you've built over the years, your mind, your mentality, and your attitude.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 03:41 AM
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Capable and *willing. For me alphas are people who's strategy is to dominate rather than build. They bring the conflict and require me to respond to their violence. I can, ok, but unlike them, I would rather create something than destroy. I'd rather own a factory than lead a brigade.. Why must alphas destroy and not create? The point of destroying is to then create on top of it. Social dynamics makes the true winner rise up. Again, winner? Unlike you when I was born, I did not notice any instruc…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 03:38 AM
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Ok, well I'm just reporting the stats I've seen. There has to be some reason for this, and the fact women have better social systems/more social support makes sense as a factor in why these stats exist. Stats about? Women need more support in general. Men don't really. Our friends are our support, there isn't as much societal support. Nature, strip clubs, generally do the trick for breakups. The hardest part is forgetting about her. This was what was hardest for me trying to get over my H when w…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 03:11 AM
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I think I'm fun to be around. I've always been high energy, carefree. I've literally had women approach me and stated it was because I seemed like I was having more actual fun than other people rather than trying to be the cool person. What does trying to be the cool person look like? Having fun is what it's all about. I'm not sure what you mean by SMV, but if you're asking if they are attractive women, I'd say so. I can tend to be picky. The men who I'm talking about are a range in height and o…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 03:06 AM
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What other means do I use? I'm not at all worried about my attractiveness or likability.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 03:03 AM
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Something about failure not being masculine. Most men that are pussies haven't failed enough. Failure is paramount for masculinity. A life of no failure cannot make a man. Can make a beautiful woman though? Maybe I should've said settle down. It seems like men are more quick to jump into cohabitation than women are. Men are not hypergamous. Makes things easier in many senses. I wouldn't say I'm paranoid. I also just enjoy learning new things. The paranoid part is about not trusting people. Doing…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 03:00 AM
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Football is pure war strategy. Ever notice the military advertising? Why is that? Lol. One can read 48 Laws of Power, 33 Strategies of War, and directly apply it to football. You will even find football discussed in various books talking about power and war. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 02:52 AM
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She will have passion and developed skill or knowledge in some area, preferably is regularly growing and creating. It gives men something to immediately respect, puts her above plenty of men too. She is able to enjoy herself, have fun, relax, be emotionally open and expressive, play. She will take care of her health. If she can't take care of her own health how can she take care of her man's or child's? She will have her emotions controlled enough to not be physically destructive. Breaking stuff…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 02:47 AM
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So what is the point, if not fun? There are men and women who you can relate to in that way, and there are men and women who can't. I've met plenty of logical women and irrational men. This isn't a sex exclusive trait. No gender trait is exclusive. No mechanic can't be learned, for the most part(there's something still different about men and women that we can't exactly replicate of one another's). ...I don't see why you should love your violent side. Would you rather hurt others without consequ…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 02:21 AM
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But I am a monster. How can I not be? It's my raw nature. And it's yours too. It's why men need religion, to control their inner monster into being useful for slaving for society. Any ism is basically a religion, it forces ideals and beliefs upon people to bend their behavior. I don't believe in life having its own dignity and that somehow means it's wrong for me to impose myself upon them or do what I want with them. I'm not actually sure what your perspective is yet. What do you want the world…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 01:37 AM
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Oh Jesus. Serious question: Why not just let a woman walk away if you're not compatible? Shouldn't a breakup then be considered a good thing, as in, now you're not going to end up in a LTR with someone you're going to have problems with? Not that I don't think two people shouldn't try to work it out if that's what they want. But there's no point in settling anymore for men or women so why are men so eager to do so? I'm not fully sure what you're expecting me to say. When I want a woman, she does…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 01:05 AM
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Why do you feel that is apparent?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 01:01 AM
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Why is fun a con? Pointless. It feels great, let's us do whatever we want. But it's pointless regardless. What ways are you treating women so much unlike men? Treating women like they're as logical as men, care about the same things, are as emotionally controlled or resilient as men, don't take things personally easily like men. What about your nature did you hate? My violent and sexual side. The thoughts I've had since I was a boy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 12:59 AM
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You don't have a crystal ball. No, but you said it yourself. I'm low value. No one wants to date a low value person. Other low and mid value men would. And if you're low value, you have the sky above you open to grow. Build your value, it doesn't build itself. However, you're not as low value as you seem to believe you are. You make UMC money and are skinnier than the average woman. If not, find one, study their mentality, and change yourself. Changing my mentality​ doesnt make me higher value. …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 12:57 AM
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Bullshit fed to the weak to help keep them weak. No men are created equal is more like it. You can't even find equality within a single tribe of men. Some are genetically superior than others, blood matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 12:35 AM
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Hahaha, love it
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 12:34 AM
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Haha, well, it's difficult to put me in a box.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 12:29 AM
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You think all humans are equal always?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 12:28 AM
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Why is pride bad? I reject anything that calls man's nature sinful, just so you realize what you're talking to. I'm a masculinist. I love all of man and man's nature. You seem stuck somewhere between truth and dogma.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 12:27 AM
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I wasted so much time treating women like men. I would have developed even more of my masculinity even earlier on. I wouldn't have hated my nature quite as much. Still I struggle with not holding women to male standards. Feminism has also left my society with no purpose but fun, which is a pro/con, but more of a con than much else.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 12:25 AM
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So you discourage men from thinking and communicating? :P
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 12:21 AM
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From my own personal perspective, if women are attracted to potentially instilled fear, I'd still be very much a virgin. I'm the last person people would call intimidating or even masculine. What do you believe women find attractive about you? Also, any gauge on the SMV of the women you're attracting is helpful. Beyond that, I see all the time men having one night stands who aren't that alpha masculine commanding type from good looking women. If I want to turn a blind eye to these facts, I can e…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 12:20 AM
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A lot of people suck, that's true. I don't think alphas are rabid dogs. I am not saying they are incapable of not being violent, I am just saying they are capable and willing of being violent for selfish reasons. So what if they're capable? Does that scare you? You sound like a feminist lol, demonizing male violence. When it comes to leadership, the social dynamics usually put the worst people in the highest places, but that's not as universal as some pesimists would want you to think. In small …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 12:17 AM
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You don't have a crystal ball. Do you have a role model? If not, find one, study their mentality, and change yourself. Are you passionate about anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 12:15 AM
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What social structures do men need post breakup? Strip clubs exist. Men don't really need that much support to get over women I don't think. The hardest part is forgetting about her.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 12:11 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/65ej6w/manly_men_feminists_the_patriarchy https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/663zmi/feminism_hurts_men_mildly_helps_women_masculine https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/66j0zy/feminism_promotes_creating_abusive_men Heh. In essence, feminism has removed and/or confused the idea of masculinity, left men with no guide on how to succeed in work and women. The result is hordes of men that are unmasculine or less masculin…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 12:08 AM
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Do you offer any alternative or, women are attracted to what they're attracted to, who knows.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 12:02 AM
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I think I understand where you're coming from. And believe it or not, we agree in many ways. You said in another comment that essentially most people suck or are weak right? So then, you take alphas, the worst of them are basically unable to control their feelings, are like rabid dogs with no chain, excessively violent and destructive. But the alphas that can learn to control themselves, and importantly well develop their logic and mind, they are able to do more than everyone else. A rabid dog w…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/17 12:00 AM
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Too easy bro, too easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 11:56 PM
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Endured immense amounts of suffering to find truth at any cost.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 11:55 PM
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So you just pick a fun man? Until he bores you and you find another fun man? Fuckboi to fuckboi to fuckboi? That's not a high value woman's mentality. High value women have goals. They find men to help them with their goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 11:54 PM
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I wouldn't tolerate having any man make those decisions alone. We're going to agree on how things are going to go or I'm walking. Oh Jesus. Listen, I don't actually need to be in a relationship with a man because he can't do anything for me that I can't do myself. That means that from the very start he's an unessential asset, like a pet (not to be demeaning or anything, I loved my dog more than I love the majority of the human race). And just like a pet, I can come to the conclusion that my life…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 11:48 PM
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Not attracted to fear, no. Attracted to a man that instills fear. It is wholly unlike a woman or child.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 11:46 PM
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Gotcha, people skills, EQ, the most useful part of the feminine domain, the steps towards being a Machiavellian.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 11:45 PM
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That's 1000% irrelevant. But because men truly love women. Women don't. At most she misses her alpha being so alpha, which is still basically impersonal. Not that you agree, but that is why. If men and women loved equally, they'd get similarly fucked up by divorce and the end of long relationships, but this isn't the case by any means.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 11:44 PM
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Change and grow and be better doesn't equal alpha. It's part alpha mentality and becoming an alpha. There are 2 types of betas. High betas: self-reliant, strong-minded, but also has comfort traits and high femininity. Has a stronger moral compass than the redpill definition of alpha (do whatever you want, look after yourself first). High beta has little to do with his femininity really. Men don't have moral compasses. Low betas: the 400 pound unemployed 35 year old living in Mom's basement while…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 11:43 PM
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I didn't want a pause.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 11:39 PM
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No, I'm pretty sure this is just a people thing. I bet the large majority of people would say yes if you were to ask them if being needy is a bad thing. Depends on the context. If you ask it like that, sure. People are bad at seeing their own flaws??? Absolutely shocking. Not even. Women define needy so they're never needy themselves. A lot of men cannot handle a woman's needs, those men tend to call that woman after the break up crazy or too demanding. A woman can have needs without being crazy…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 11:38 PM
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Does it sound like that's all I think about? It is one of my thinkings. You could say I generally use evil for good. I'm not really a malicious person at heart. I value growth immensely. Which is something I hate about feminism, it actively hurts men's growth.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 11:34 PM
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What? Women's attraction is based on how they feel about the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 11:32 PM
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Maybe. I'd rather be a slave to myself than to society, others.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 11:32 PM
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What's your alternative theory? Or are you arguing with nothing else to suggest as better?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 11:30 PM
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Yeah it's hard as fuck for sure, especially since you have serious standards. Finding a woman that's not too crazy, still fun, still feminine, likes you, etc. How old are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 11:29 PM
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Do you have money in the bank? What's wrong with your looks in your opinion?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 11:27 PM
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What are you calling soft skills?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 11:26 PM
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No no. Women's emotional needs makes them needier than a man's sexual needs makes him needy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 11:26 PM
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That exist but they're fucked up. A woman acts sex obsessed with a man that's less needy than her however, the less needy than her he is, the more sexual she will probably be.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 11:23 PM
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Thanks man. I honestly don't think I could replace her. She left her family, friends, education, and home country behind to be with me when we were about 21 years old and it barely took her long enough to let me finish my sentence inviting her. Now she's living under my rules and disciplines knowing full well that I'll never be into settling, home-making, or money chasing. I think those things are important to a lot of women. The women who'll forsake all of that and give her youth to a crazy you…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 11:21 PM
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Being proud is nothing to be proud of. The words of a slave
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 11:18 PM
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Please, this is such an overplayed fallacy. If you're talking basic basic level, sure, physical attraction plays a big part in getting noticed. But to pretend no woman will be sexually attracted to a non-hypermasculine male, and especially that all women are sexually attracted to that, is baseless. Not what I meant. Hypermasculine isn't required. But it sure is nice. Specifically, a man must feel more masculine than the woman. This is best achieved through fear and confidence, plus a non needy a…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 11:16 PM
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I was a proud douchebag while I still had an umbilical cord wrapped around my neck.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 11:05 PM
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That'd be a pretty alpha response. Also emotional and childish ;) But I'm not wrong am I. Civilization today is filled with hordes of pathetically weak masses. Good job Christianity, hell on earth.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 11:03 PM
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Oh, so alpha males are not becoming obsolete because of automation? Because from my experience, unless you redefine alpha as a person "succesful" in every respect, typical alpha lacks the drive to become a specialist and can only become succesful through unproductive social machinations. Not saying it's a rule, but then, I do say that among most sought after specialists there is much less of the naturally dominant masculine people. If anything it's your alpha that's anachronic. Women don't know …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 11:01 PM
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I get it, but you got the reaction you did from more than simply me for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 10:54 PM
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How did you know you wanted to be a woman? Is that link SFW?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 10:50 PM
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It's not my assumptions. It's my belief after deciphering RP combined with my understanding psychoanalysis, psychology, power dynamics, gender dynamics, propaganda, religion. With the concept of neediness I better can manipulate and exploit people to my gain. It is true and useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 10:48 PM
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For women to be sexually attracted yes. Otherwise she's going to be attracted for relationship purposes.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 10:46 PM
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Most men want to change and grow be better. Your equivalence there is false. All men are better off alpha. What stops them from becoming alpha is inhibitions and lack of pain.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 10:45 PM
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You have to play the game, or else you lose by default. I liked your point about conflict vs competition. Yes, society needs to figure out how to deal with women being able to provide for themselves, and what to do with beta males that are quickly becoming obsolete because of women and automation.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 10:44 PM
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If you keep yourself in a fight or flight state, your body will probably produce more testosterone because it thinks it needs it. You're absolutely correct. Every wonder why so many ghetto kids are so ripped without working out? Hormonal response to living a dangerous life. Yup, also why ghetto and gangster music is where men tend to find the most masculine music. But, I suppose I found that through death metal. When I was full-time in the Marine Corps infantry I put on muscle without even worki…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 10:39 PM
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Not in feminisms world of lalala
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 10:37 PM
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How did you go from too high T to wanting to be a woman? Mind boggled...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 10:37 PM
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The alphas mobilize the betas and build Civilization.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 10:35 PM
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Haven't thought about that. Any data you happen to have?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 10:33 PM
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Biologically gay men usually didn't get enough testosterone when it's released the second time as a fetus. Itd be surprising if they tend ended up with more testosterone because of genetics .
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 10:33 PM
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You painted a picture he wasn't trying to paint and attacked it. That's all there is to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 10:26 PM
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Can't get enough of someone, they're continuously in their thoughts.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 10:24 PM
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The theory doesn't add up, and there are women that are less needy than the man they're with, but they're not typically happy about it, would be happier if he was less needy. There may be exceptions for women with masculine cores...but I doubt it really, as this neediness dynamic even extends to friendships, but of course in a somewhat different way in details. As in, I don't want male friends that need me way more than I need them, and having a comparable level of neediness is important.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 10:22 PM
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Not really. I can raise kids and be a great nurse. Totally against my nature. But I can do it well. If women could be above their nature, men wouldn't need to be muscley and dominant for women to viscerally fuck them. But that's not the case. Despite their desires, they can't help being attracted to raw masculinity and hypermasculine features. Doesnt matter if she's masculine herself, her female nature demands highly masculine men to fuck.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 10:20 PM
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How can you say yes to both if you're not obsessed? It's not infatuation. I'd call it the result of highly satisfied hypergamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 10:17 PM
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How do they deal with it then? By hardening themselves and becoming brave. Depends on the woman/man. Never met a woman who doesn't have at least some definitions and beliefs based on feelings. Agree this is more of a man thing but still think it depends on the woman/man. Yes, but no woman can build an ego like a man can build an ego. As in the peak a masculine man can reach is higher than the peak a masculinized woman can reach, and with less effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 10:15 PM
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This dynamic isn't the only way to get into a LTR with a woman who "can't get enough of her man." I know because I'm in one. Mine is more "ideal" to me and probably to many other women. Yours is more "ideal" to those who stick to traditional gender norms/roles I'd imagine. You're obsessed with him? Want to please him continuously?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 10:08 PM
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1,009,152,000,000 or so milliseconds.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 10:06 PM
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What makes you think men are inherently better at this than women? I do think women are probably more insecure, in general, but not generally SO insecure that they're entirely dependent upon their SOs. Men don't have to deal with intimidation and fear and anxiety the same way. Men's position about things is not based on their feelings that are subject to change the way women's tend to be more often. Men tend to focus on building a strong ego which helps stamp out insecurities too.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 10:05 PM
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Not really. My self esteem is stupid high. I don't need outside validation and attention and desire, but it always feels good regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 10:02 PM
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It has nothing to do with female nature directly? Whats your actual question? Women today are taking up provider roles, more dominant roles. Hence men to still satisfy female nature have to be more fun, sexy, social instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 10:01 PM
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Compare him to all other men. That is what women do anyways, but what matters most is that he's less needy than her. And a man with almost no neediness gives him a higher chance of being attractive to essentially all women too. Not that any man can ever be desired by all women lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 09:59 PM
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No, a needy person is someone that is more needy than acceptable to the other person in the relationship. Which basically aligns with your view.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 09:57 PM
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"Less expected to by society" =\= women don't inherently want to feel secure and confident. Sure, but feel it enough to really try and stamp out all weakness and insecurity? Nope. Plus, how is any woman going to be in a relationship with me and not feel some insecurities? It's basically impossible. Are we talking about you now? I brought up me so yes there. And I don't think I'm that unique where this is just a me thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 09:55 PM
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Still boring me.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 09:54 PM
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Haha fun. Well, I was half right judging by the comments. Also great typo lol. So wetness can't be easily discerned, but isn't necessarily related to attraction or arousal, and women do know when they're aroused which has nothingish to do with wetness.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 09:52 PM
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If the man is less needy than her, then she won't see him as needy. Do you disagree with that?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 09:47 PM
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I disagree. This is how women define needy, as you are. My definition of needy does not mean desperate or clingy as all women are needy. Some women are desperate or clingy, not all.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 09:46 PM
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What about female nature says they can't do that? It's especially what happens after war and there's a shortage of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 09:45 PM
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What if? She's high value, she will find one. Most men can't handle a high value woman however. Only high value men can. What if a high value man can't find a woman of her quality easily? Again, high value men aren't interested in keeping women around solely for sex, they already have abundance mentality. Whatever it is she values in him that makes him high quality to her there are probably corollary traits he values in her that makes her high value to him. Both are probably not going to find ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 09:43 PM
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To me there aren't any good needy traits, but I guess according to redpill needing a man more than he needs her means that she will tolerate more shitty behavior from him and she will go out of her way to please him. Your framing is so odd. Needs are not good or bad outside of the context of a relationship. They're just needs. Needy traits = goes out of her way to please him, might tolerate shitty behavior because she doesn't think she can do better, constantly needs validation of their relation…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 09:38 PM
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It makes more sense, but you took his words and used them together how you wanted to make a strawman, he never said such a phrase, and you also stretched from cower to cowardly. What would have been more honest and not a strawman is saying weak willed instead of paranoid cowardly.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 09:34 PM
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I don't disagree, but women are not expected to have the same level of security and confidence as men. Plus, how is any woman going to be in a relationship with me and not feel some insecurities? It's basically impossible. Lol hell, I'll create some if I have to. And probably won't be able to stop myself anyways. Problem is, I out banter women, which creates insecurity...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 09:27 PM
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Which question specifically? Neither are moot either way because neediness matters in the context of a relationship, so there's always a valid and very real subjective reference to use.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 09:24 PM
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Your comments bore me
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 09:22 PM
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Of course I do. My thread about interesting girls further confirmed it. Why do you think I like talking to you all so much? Quite uncommon, especially if you consider the whole landscape and not just the circles and niches that typically draw/create more interesting women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 09:21 PM
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Sounds great really. A true MGTOW is an awesome man, not a loser that has no choice but to live without women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 09:18 PM
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Unless she has family/friends that would shun her, she wouldn't stay. No need or point, and it'd hurt her really.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 09:17 PM
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I mean yeah, men oppress women so betas can get their fuck on and have families. It's the heart of the patriarchy. You know, feminism is the revolt of women having to fuck and procreate with weak men, and it's entirely against female animal nature. As much as it seems like I hate feminism, I don't. It stems from a good place, it's looking out for the species in how women do. But the madness of a woman run world is not ideal, sustainable, or even what women actually want.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 09:16 PM
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You get a boner for paranoid cowardly women? The paranoid cowardly women is your strawman. No one is talking about them, you created this strawman to create a more powerful question.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 09:13 PM
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You look at as much information as possible and deduce what you can. What Rp describes as female nature is consistent across cultures.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 09:12 PM
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I've heard of plenty of abuse, but that was all word of mouth.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 09:11 PM
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Because? Doesn't mean plenty don't beta out too.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 09:10 PM
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I don't think you understand that women literally can make a man bypass his logic. If men were taught body language, if women were taught the power of their seduction and beauty, and how to avoid unwanted sexual advances, how to avoid putting themselves in vulnerable and risky positions, both sides would be happier. Men don't want to rape or deal with rape accusations, women don't want to be raped. And women rape men too for the record, not much less than men rape women either.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 09:08 PM
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What keeps you from leaving him?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 09:04 PM
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What? I've custom ordered all my people. Are there needy traits? I think it's simply needy or not, needing something from others or not. What's a good needy trait?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 09:02 PM
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Yes, higher body fat levels do create more estrogen compared to lower. Your fat cells communicate in some way, though I forget the specifics.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 09:01 PM
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stop teasing your coworkers
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 09:00 PM
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This is why a high status guy doesn't "need" women for sex, so he values his LTR partner for the other things she brings to the table, as well as sex. Yes. Similarly, a high value woman isn't going to value a LTR partner for his "emotional support" she can get that met from other guys too. What if most men can't emotionally support her how she needs or wants? Can't handle her fitness tests? I think you're describing the ideal TRP relationship. I doubt the average happy couple sees things this wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 08:59 PM
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Different levels of wetness feel the same then.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 08:56 PM
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I'd expect different amounts of wetness to feel different. Not so?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 08:56 PM
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I'm serious. The intimidation is what makes them feel soooo manly, and there's rain as a result. As long as the dude feels tall as fuck, which is like 1'+ over the woman is probably enough. Don't think I'm saying every woman will rain no matter what in the presence of a really tall dude. But plenty will, especially if that dude aesthetically is closer to her ideal.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 08:54 PM
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I agree with all your points lol. But even with power couples, the man is less needy than the woman. Women have to deal with their emotions sometimes and need their man's support, optimally the man helps them understand their emotions, keep them from going too far with a chain of feelings/thoughts. Even if it's a once a year occurrence, she still needs him. Like do you think Hillary never needs emotional support from Bill? Probably does, but probably not often. But really, at the power couple le…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 08:51 PM
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Of course there are men that are not too needy for their woman. You will find nearly every happy relationship holds to this.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 08:47 PM
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Try harder...this is a debate sub...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 08:42 PM
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I imagine they have a fun dynamic otherwise? There's no "otherwise" about it, it is a fun dynamic. Wouldn't work for me or most people I know, but they definitely enjoy it. I would say she still needs him more than he needs her, because of the SMV difference. I mean, if they broke up she would be single and sad. He would be single, sad, homeless and destitute. If you asked either of them or anyone they know who needs who more, the answer would invariably be him. You don't think he could get anot…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 08:42 PM
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Would she really leave him if he wanted to take the reigns? Doubtful. Eh, you don't know them. I really think she would. I think you are picturing her as a person with low self-esteem because of her appearance and weight. I assure you that is not the case. She's the kind of woman the dudes here would hate because she's not that attractive but she is supremely confident and doesn't take shit from anyone. Her mindset isn't so much "I'm lucky to have such a hot boyfriend because I'm fat and unlovab…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 08:40 PM
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Needy is a negative word. It's used when you think the person needs too much attention. A different person can see the same level of need and enjoy the closeness. They wouldn't call it needy. My boyfriend is objectively very needy. He needs so much attention from me every day. He doesn't function well if I leave town, even if just for a weekend. But I also want that much attention from him. We are both needy, and so neither of us considers the other needy. Sounds like you and your bfs neediness …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 08:39 PM
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Both. Alphas may or may not choose to contribute to society.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 08:27 PM
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Off the top of my head neediness is displayed by: A: An inability to accept when their needs aren't being met. B: An inability to directly address, in a mature manner, the problems that arise from these needs not being met. C: An unwillingness to fulfil their own needs and by extension an over reliance on others to provide that fulfilment. All I'm hearing is too needy for someone else. Not some objective definition of needy. Anybody going about speaking this 'alpha/beta' dross is simply another …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 08:25 PM
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Right, so, as long as the man is less needy than the woman, he won't be seen as needy by the woman, and the relationship has a great chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 08:23 PM
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I think I literally have only one insecurity. To become fully secure takes years of effort and building. Most women don't even start to try. Cause they have no need to, and it'd really fuck with their femininity too.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 08:20 PM
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You're correct, but my statement is comparing inherent male power to inherent female power. You're looking at women vs women and man vs man.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 08:16 PM
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Women recognize a man with a high status mentality and potential. Hooking a high status mentality man that's currently just beginning his journey is one of the best situations possible, it lets you make her prove her loyalty, become more invested in you, and that sort of man is way easier to hook too than the already successful high status mentality man. But, if you fail them and never become successful, expect wrath like no other lol!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 08:15 PM
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I really get the feeling that what you are circling here, in your own trademarked fashion, is "Men want xSFx women who genuinely need them." Not really, but I see why you'd think that. Plus I like my NXs personally. Preferably 60|40 F|T split. And if a woman isn't at all needy, how can a man expect her to want him or stay around? This squares with something we were discussing in the IRC a few weeks back. One guy mentioned that he had met a few women like my friends and me, and while at one level…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 08:12 PM
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Of course? Not sure what you're getting at
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 08:05 PM
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Sex is pricey, sex starved men don't offer enough value to trade for sex and so don't get sex. Women being emotion starved? Not at all, they get plenty of attention and emotional support, pity is easy for women to get especially. Not sure what you're looking for with that really.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 08:04 PM
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How are you defining needy people? What makes someone not needy presuming most people have some needs? An alpha trying to prove his mentality is showing his neediness by needing other's validation.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 07:53 PM
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How do you know what's normative? What is normative neediness to you? It must be based on what you feel a normal amount of neediness is?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 07:49 PM
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I'd clarify Needy with Needier, but otherwise, yeah, probably true.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 07:48 PM
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IME men are much clinger tbh, and I associate clinginess with neediness. I've only dated men though. Yes clinginess is associated with neediness indeed. I have a feeling you tend to attract needier men as you're probably less needy than the average woman too. Also the idea you can deduce "most gender" does xyz because of AWALT/AMALT isn't even how it's supposed to work, it's supposed to men all women/men have the potential to do xyz, not all women/men actually do xyz. There's no such thing as a …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 07:39 PM
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I don't agree with that no. Masculine men don't mind needy women. But that doesn't mean they want a woman that's overbearingly needy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 07:35 PM
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I'm asking when does someone go from having needs to being needy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 07:22 PM
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Correct. What other sexual appeal is he born with that requires no developing?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 07:20 PM
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Why wait? What you actually have doesn't matter for your mentality being needy or high status. I'd focus most on where to find the sort of woman you want to LTR or plate. That's like half the battle. Having the right social circles help a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 06:59 PM
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Makes the man even less needy feeling seeming appearing. u/wknight is on point
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 06:57 PM
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I guess this is why the majority of men are reportedly sex-starved, while most women are showered with emotional support from beta orbiters. Or were you describing the world you want to be in instead of the world we are in? Is that going against what I'm saying somehow? Tell me most sex starved men are have low neediness levels. Tell me that orbiters that shower women with affection are not doing it for female attention and are also not needy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 06:57 PM
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What defines if someone is needy or not to you? Everyone has needs as you said. So then everyone is needy? And everyone is annoying too since you feel that needy people are annoying?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 06:50 PM
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Well i am a needy man and that s why I don t understand. I have my shit together, I have more than most People (men and women) and is probably more capable too in regard to "shit". I never and won t count on women to bring things in my life for my shit because it's likely that I do better than her. Good to hear. Though you still think of yourself as needy which is curious. So.. Why do I say i am needy ? Because what brings a woman is not in my control. Not true. You have some influence and thus …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 06:48 PM
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What dynamic must be present for a successful and optimal relationship, especially one where the man is getting all of the sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 06:45 PM
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It feels good to be needed too. Needy != Needing someone. Needy is when you are incapable of being your own person. You can need someone around, but still do your own thing. Overly needy, unnecessarily needy, needy where it's smothering or detrimental to the man, is bad. That's generally what is meant by needy. But there's a wide range of acceptable neediness. Again, needy is generally understood to be overly so and clingy. Yes to a woman's definition being needy is bad, it is being overly needy…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 06:44 PM
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People do separate them like that. All men and women have different levels of neediness. There are nearly no men or women with zero needs. If someone is very needy themselves they'll put up with more of someone else being needy. A needy woman does not mean she does not respect the boundaries the man sets up for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 06:38 PM
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It still offers you benefits, perks, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 06:36 PM
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Ah, so you can't evaluate a conspiracy theory and figure out its bullshit and holes? I have done so with nearly every conspiracy theory our there. The best evidence is your own. What do you need from your woman, what does she need from you. Look at time spent tending towards each other's needs especially. Then go look at other relationships and see what you find. There's a strong reason why having a DGAF is so effective, why confidence is so important, it shows a lack of being needy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 06:35 PM
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It varies woman to woman. All women like to have fun in some particular ways. My SO loves dance for example, so one of her needs from me is to take her dancing regularly.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 06:33 PM
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AWALT, lol. It takes significant effort and masculine development for a woman not to be rather needy. But she'll still be needier than me.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 06:31 PM
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Dick is cheap. Pussy is pricey.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 06:30 PM
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You sound alpha as fuck, a woman's alpha, the feeling type alpha. Problems with emotional control, needing your impulsive side kept in check, and main offering is dick and violent protection. And you think of yourself as a God. Do you think you'd find a woman to replace her with pretty readily if needed?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 06:29 PM
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Would she really leave him if he wanted to take the reigns? Doubtful. But it would upset their power balance even more and move things even more in his favor.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 06:25 PM
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Makes pretty good sense to me, how much would change if he was 1-2 points below her in SMV? You have a masculine personality woman being motherly towards a feminine/childlike personality man. I imagine they have a fun dynamic otherwise? Can't see how not, ENFPs are great at making people feel good and promote fun massively. I would say she still needs him more than he needs her, because of the SMV difference. Despite how needy he is, which is perfect.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 06:24 PM
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Why does an unhappy man stay in a relationship? For sex of course. Women that are unhappy in a relationship are not getting their needs met, which is the entire point of their relationship to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 06:19 PM
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Why should a needy woman be an issue if she's not too needy for him? I expect a woman to be somewhat needy, if anything it adds to my happiness to be able to give a woman what she needs. A nagging woman is not the same as a needy woman, and nagging women or a woman that's a pain to deal with is what typically makes men unhappy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 06:17 PM
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Semantics about needy and need and neediness. Mmm fun. Wonder how many will be able to get passed that and see the points.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 04:40 PM
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No I didn't and it it's a bit of an insult to say I'm speaking from my ass as you imply isn't it. You and philosophy aren't friends are they? The best any philosophy can hope for is to be coherent and useful, what I espouse is. However, I make you figure out if it's useful. Must I remind you that you have no system, whereas I do? You stand on air, and then complain about evidence and refuse to care about coherence? Okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 04:38 PM
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I'm not confusing them. In your definition being needy implies neediness. In mine, I'm looking at the balance between people's needs, and calling men that need more from their woman than she needs from him needy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 04:33 PM
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My SO uses the word tingles lol. It's not only from the manosphere.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 04:31 PM
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Anytime a basketball player walks by, you can hear the rain on the sidewalk
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 04:30 PM
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It's interesting how unaware women often are to their biological attraction responses, like they get surprises by their wetness, as if they weren't paying attention to it regularly. I suppose it's less obvious to yourself than a man's more obvious arousal.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 04:30 PM
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Alpha. Testosterone drives masculinity, it is the fuel for its flames. I do believe your mentality affects your hormone levels, including testosterone. If you keep yourself in a fight or flight state, your body will probably produce more testosterone because it thinks it needs it. Can't prove it, but, they're correlated from my experience. It is mostly biological however. If a man is low T, eating a good diet, bodybuilding are definitely good starting places. But truly, there's nothing wrong wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 04:28 PM
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I don't think that's always the case, many women are both needy and giving, it balances it. Perhaps that's why a woman that's needy and taking is a woman to be wary of.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 04:25 PM
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You're differentiating between excessively needy and needy. What is excessively needy is up to the man to decide for himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 04:24 PM
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The crux is that she must be needier than you. Is that not true for you? Care to share how you need your woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 04:23 PM
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Does any of the logic not sit right with you? It makes sense, that's the best evidence I can show you. The rest you have to see for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 04:21 PM
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I'd generally say women like to be excited in the ways they like to have fun, on top of day to day emotional excitement of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 04:13 PM
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Sex is easy to get. A high status man that will take on a woman's needs is less so. They're both needs, but the man's need is easier to satisfy, is easily satisfied by a large range of women, and so holds less sway/power compared to a woman's emotional needs. They're both needs in a general sense, but very different, and typically the woman's need is greater, which is why she wants to make up for it and show her appreciation how she knows.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 04:09 PM
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They do, if they're developed masculine men. It feels good to be needed too. Overly needy, unnecessarily needy, needy where it's smothering or detrimental to the man, is bad. But there's a wide range of acceptable neediness. And if a woman isn't at all needy, how can a man expect her to want him or stay around?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 04:05 PM
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If he has his shit together, why is he needy? A man that has his shit together is highly functional and capable. He has nothing to be needy of, anything he wants or desires he gets or creates. If he doesn't have his shit together, he'll have trouble with building his dream, attaining his goals, living the life he wants. Either his mental state gets in the way, physical state gets in the way. Something unhealthy is true about a man that doesn't have his shit together, always. This sort of man wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 04:02 PM
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What would you personally want to focus on?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 03:38 PM
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Yes you are generally correct, and this is because women come with the value of their beauty and access to their womb. Men come with no value. So women by default have power men do not have. As a man gets sex and beauty, then it diminishes the power the woman has over that man. The more valuable the man then is to that woman, the more power is in his favor. I've noticed when the power is in the man's hands, he can basically do what women do a lot more, lol, even practice some form of hypergamy i…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 03:37 PM
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Mutually respect is recognizing each other's power channels and where each other had advantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 03:34 PM
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Building an emotional fortress solves little and avoids yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 03:33 PM
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Unfuck yourself. You were born with no beliefs. If you don't like your current ones, change them.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 03:33 PM
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Men can be happy alone especially if they have good and real male friends. Male friendship is way more valuable than female romantic love. But nothing is like a woman's warmth...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 03:30 PM
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You're not defective, you're inhibited by society and your beliefs. Ruthlessness always prevails in the end. Look at nature, does it favor the weak or the strong. Humans are no different, but they want to think they are and try to act like they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 03:29 PM
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Yes it would really fight back against feminism hard
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 03:27 PM
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Positive feelings?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 03:27 PM
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Listening to a crusty old teacher talking about his sexpat exploits a la Roosh's "Bang" series is going to turn kids asexual. It'd obviously have to be refined significantly more. I was in freshman bio and a teacher mentioned that "steroids shrink your dick" while stating that his "muscles might be small but". The class gagged Steroids can shrink your balls. They and HGH can actually increase cock size, especially if a man is below average!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 03:26 PM
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Whenever somebody takes the time to remind me what a "free thinker" they are they are really soothing their fragile ego. Free thinkers don't talk about it they are out there for better or worse trying to implement their ideas. However, you are right society does not want a bunch of free thinkers because nothing would get accomplished. Free thinkers tend to be self focused and uninterested in the consequences for others so you Set are somebody who has talked endlessly about being interested in va…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 03:25 PM
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I can understand why they'd want that, but rp would help them get and keep any girl wouldn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 03:21 PM
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They get less testosterone and become less masculine and instead somewhere on the middle. Testosterone is the fuel of masculinity because it's the core of man.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 02:28 PM
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Not being on a government list, being as publicly displaying of the marijuana use is a reason to prefer the black market.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 01:40 AM
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Yes, but what to discuss is everything, and it's the man's job to figure it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 01:39 AM
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Hmm, okay, so yeah exactly what I said lol. Reminds me of my woman actually. She doesn't give a fuck, she lives her own life, makes herself how she wants, because she wants to and chose to. Which is how I am too. We're like an MGTOW and WGTOW that are in love and choose to be with each other cause we're awesome. We're both like uninhibited masculinity and femininity. I'm hypermasculine, she's hyperfeminine. Which really does actually play into what /u/BiggerDThanYou was getting at today...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 01:38 AM
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I'll check it out thanks. I expect it's going to promote masculine traits, drives, values as well as saying to be feminine how you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 01:19 AM
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Oh no he still is. I have a friend that fucked a whole bunch of women before his first boyfriend. Before that first boyfriend, was he not actually gay? Did a woman make him go gay? Was he gay the whole time?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 01:18 AM
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That is the feminist argument, that it's all nurture and not nature, or the nature part can be fully overcome, isn't significant. Rp says yes nurture matters, women can take up masculine roles and mentality and behavior, but men and women have a base nature unlike each other, and masculinity and femininity stem from that base nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 01:16 AM
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It's there, stuff like moonshine and absinthe. But alcohol is a bad example because it's very socially accepted for a long time. Marijuana is a better example. Just because it's legal doesn't make the black market vanish.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 01:15 AM
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Typically yeah. Their end of the bargain isn't being held up, although sometimes that bargain was not explicitly said.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 01:13 AM
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Sure, but that doesn't mean violence is inherently masculine. But physical strength and the enjoyment of violence are killing are greatly affected by testosterone and is a large part of why those traits are considered masculine. There are plenty of violent women out there and throughout history. This has no bearing on if liking violence and killing is a masculine attribute. All humans are capable of all masculine and feminine behaviors. Doesn't make a masculine behavior not masculine because a w…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 01:11 AM
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You did strawman and beg the question. Not that I don't beg the question regularly lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 01:07 AM
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Prenups can be thrown out, plenty of women wouldn't marry a man that demands they sign one too. Alimony is the icing, the heart is losing half your assets and house, rights to children, plus the betrayal.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 12:52 AM
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So then are you working on your masculinity and developing yourself? Are you working on your social skills too?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 12:51 AM
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Why would any woman stay married to man who doesn't offer benefits? The idea that a unicorn won't divorce rape you because she's a unicorn is flat out wrong. Unicorns are still AWALT, just as positively so as it gets.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 12:22 AM
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Do you believe testosterone has no affect on physical strength and the enjoyment of violence and killing?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 12:20 AM
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'He's an obvious outlier and if knew him in person I could tell!'
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 12:19 AM
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Some women are nags because their man is less masculine, as in responsible, capable, leading, true to his word, emotionally resilient, level headed, confident, dominant, etc, than she is.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 12:18 AM
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I mean, I didn't say the child should care. But it tells you something about perception.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 12:17 AM
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Is being physically strong gender neutral? Is liking to kill and destroy for fun gender neutral?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 12:13 AM
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It differs per person, but in the most basic terms: someone you vibe with and feel is worth sacrificing your independence for. I don't think there's such a thing as "the one," but I do think there are people who are better suited for each other than others. The more you personally deviate from the "average" person, the harder it will be to find the right partner. I was with you till here... Also, every reason OP gave for not wanting a relationship, are risks that would be mitigated by finding th…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 12:10 AM
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Same answer really. She feels that those women are weak because she's not like that. Virtue signaling would be more like, you shouldn't like those girls because liking other girls is the right thing to do. Maybe you could call it shaming however, but it's still I don't think purposefully shaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 12:07 AM
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No because it has nothing to do with black nature vs white nature unlike Rp. Most of the differences between races comes from social classes and culture, not blood.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 12:05 AM
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Oh I gotcha. I mean yes, but I don't expect non-ruthless pimps to make it, and many of the escort agencies abuse their escorts plenty. There's little way to prevent it, especially outside of government control. A private corp will be psychopathic and ruthless as much as possible, they wouldn't employ a good guy to handle the women to begin with. Now if you could make that happen, then perhaps things would be different, but then they'll lose out probably to the corps that don't do that so...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/17 12:04 AM
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There's a large difference between being into kinks and being a sex worker no?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 11:57 PM
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I don't know about that. I'm saying women are allowing men to be lazier than before. You could say there are more men that are lazier than women than before.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 11:56 PM
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Yup, plus I wouldn't want her messing up her hands. And who would deal with the aftermath anyways but me? Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 11:55 PM
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Our escort agencies are currently legal, I'm saying how they are is at best how a private corporation being prostitutes' pimp would be.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 11:54 PM
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How? Most women offer little more than their femininity and homemaker skills. The interesting girl is uncommon/rare, the masculine hobbied girl is too.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 11:53 PM
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What is your idea of the right woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 11:52 PM
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Yet his mentality is an unmasculine one and one that feminism allows that gender essentialists do not. This sort of man is what feminism wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 11:51 PM
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Sigh, poor incels and unmasculine men thinking they can just jump to being MGTOW. You're on point.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 11:49 PM
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Haha private corps being pimps would be even worse. Look into escort agencies if you want, they're ruthless and immensely psychopathic. You ever read Pimp by Iceberg Slim? One book explains how to succeed with both women and capitalism.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 11:45 PM
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If you understand the gender roles you reject you would be able to articulate what masculinity and femininity are. There are no gender neutral interests I don't think. Either femininity focuses and benefits it, or masculinity does. If we want to be accurate, being into space stuff alone doesn't make you masculine, but it is a masculine interest. I'm into skincare products, doesn't make me feminine, but it is a feminine interest. Do you think most men would be somewhat intrigued and/or excited fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 11:42 PM
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Eh, sure. The rest of her time should be focused on her keeping her man and her few hobbies if any.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 11:38 PM
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Our psychopathic society doesn't care. If the government puts its hands on health care, our corporations will leverage it endlessly. The ACA benefitted insurance companies massively, and the bill itself was written by and for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 11:37 PM
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Nope. Doesn't work that way. Women are much easier to replace.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 11:36 PM
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Yes. Why P&D otherwise unless it's your thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 11:35 PM
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I didn't say most people are psychopaths, but they are psychopathic. Perhaps that will shed better light on my statement? Great distinction on psychopaths and violence vs con men btw, an interesting truth that sure does parallel what I know.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 11:34 PM
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But what if they're brainwashed? Every woman can make money without using her sexuality, why lower yourself to such a standard? Is there a single mother or father that would with pride say, My daughter is a prostitute!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 11:32 PM
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I never said I defined masculinity and femininity. It is not a feeling based concept. That'd be stupid. You think everyone that does understand and acknowledge the concepts are stupid? As that is what you imply...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 11:30 PM
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Dang girl. The beauty money can buy is awesome. What if you weren't working and he was was more my thought. But say he prioritizes his dream most and is working towards that for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 11:28 PM
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Hell no. More like, I fix your alternator, you deep throat me in return or make me something delicious. When you train her well enough she will want to do this.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 11:25 PM
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Women, Go through the following list of qualities, and say whether they are a plus, or turn on for you or a turn off or negative factor for you. Consider this as whether or not they are sexually attractive to you, but this could be for an LTR or a short term relationship. Has difficulty in knowing what he wants, often looks to others for input. Apathetic, doesn't have strong intentions or desires. Gives up on goals if they take too much time or effort. Cowers or doesn't stand up for himself if p…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 11:22 PM
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More like, men judge a woman's beauty first, women judge a man's character as she deciphers what it is through his looks first.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 11:19 PM
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By strawmanning and begging the question? That explains so much about all the lawyers in PPD. Yup. Using negating arguments, invalidating the argument based on semantics, false equivalences, character attacks, distractions, etc. Lawyers are masters of language. Women love language and try to master it.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 11:16 PM
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Is it virtue signaling if that's how she feels about those men? Don't think so actually. She doesn't have morals or virtue really to even signal, just that that guy is weak, beta, unattractive, low value. Which is the point of your list lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 11:14 PM
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Isn't there a case to be made that women who are sex workers hurt themselves with their internalized misogyny and acceptance of their own sexual objectification?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 11:08 PM
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We will never get decent health care through the government. Better solution is everyone makes more money so they can afford health care more directly. Haha yeah right.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 11:07 PM
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Women have a monopoly on pussy, naturally. By having no prostitutes, it keeps the monopoly in the hands of (potential) wives instead of moving some of the power to sex workers. Not that you can't just go fuck a stripper or something lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 11:06 PM
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Sometimes you just want to fuck without dealing with any female bullshit, not that a unicorn like you would make men deal with any said bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 11:04 PM
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There will always be a black market. I do see protecting the sex worker women as the biggest pro for women, getting rid of pimps and what not, which really would just make the state their pimp wouldn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 11:03 PM
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Your logic is generally sound. But you are ruled by fear. Which is as unmasculine and weak as it probably gets. Yeah, I may get ruined, hell the type of women I love may even kill me, but I find the risk to be worth what it adds to my life. That said, I'd never get married, even if I had kids. So I'm like MGTOWish. But definitely will never give up women entirely, at least not with my current beliefs...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 11:02 PM
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His nagging sounds like he doesn't want to clean the kitchen at all. Not exactly a surprise. But perhaps there's more to it too. Maybe he resents having to do it, even though he'll do it for you, idk.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 10:57 PM
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I don't tell men what to do(aside from develop their masculinity perhaps). If a man wants to con a woman, that's his choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 10:55 PM
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My point remains, you don't understand the concept of masculinity and femininity. You can very well understand them and want to continue to be as you are. It is your right and luxury as a woman. That men do not have. Yet you feminists cannot understand this or do not want to or don't care, idk. But it is what it is. Women created this mess, men are the biggest losers of it, and men must clean up the mess because women either don't care or can't understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 10:54 PM
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Women can be made to see the things her husband does for her too. Nah. Some things sure, but by far not everything, especially the emotional stuff. how would he deny it "She's just cleaning because she has OCD. I don't care if it's not clean anyways, she's just doing it for herself" What if that's true? Like he legit wouldn't clean for example if he was single.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 10:51 PM
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Nope...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 10:50 PM
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The question is dumb if it's only for completely blue people.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 10:49 PM
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Not all men care about sex when they have porn and fleshlights. Hell, a truly unmasculine man doesn't even hate vaginas, he's terrified of them, grossed out by them. God I wish I could help them end their miserable existence. But I digress, plenty of men want a wife for kids and to be their mother basically, and especially if she has his kid she's even more hooked.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 10:48 PM
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Most 20 year olds don't directly care about money unless they're abject gold diggers where how much money men spend on you is their game. From 'rich life' I conclude a fun life that requires spending money. I live a pretty rich life, partying, entertainment, etc is the main money waste.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 10:46 PM
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What hate lingo are you referring to?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 10:43 PM
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Does he clean the kitchen too?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 10:42 PM
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I don't buy into your views about masculine and feminine. I'm a woman into things people like you have deemed "man things" and I've struggled with that bullshit my whole life. It doesn't mean I'm a defective woman, it doesn't mean I'm a man in a woman's body, I don't disagree. it means that the perception that certain things are inherently masculine and not feminine is bullshit. How is that a logical conclusion? I don't agree with what others are saying therefore what I disagree with cannot be b…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 10:41 PM
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Yes. It's better than using normal ass women as prostitutes. Instagram prostitutes/models are mind boggling. www.tagyoursponsor.com is pretty clear evidence of prostitution. Prostitutes would help betas a lot, as well as older men, and it'd help all men focus on productivity over chasing pussy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 10:37 PM
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What would be so bad about my daughter being told that deep inside she wants to be raped by a high value male, that she can never be trusted and how to control herself at the expense of my tax payer dollar? What would be so bad about my son being taught to be a dick and that he has to suspect women on literally everything? Instead we teach men are evil and responsible for everything going wrong in the world, women should rule the world and run everything, the best men act like women and have fem…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 10:34 PM
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They'd never be in anger phase if they had good expectations to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 10:31 PM
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Perhaps consider the question in a not self centered way...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 10:30 PM
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Did I do Q4BP? I'm interested in both perspectives, I of course have expectations of how BPers will disagree and find my question ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 10:29 PM
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Most sure won't.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 10:27 PM
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Instead we push prescriptive views based on feminism and its ideals, and this fucks many men up and prevents many from success. No, not really. Feminist pedagogy is an undeveloped, burgeoning field largely restricted to universities. Public k-12 is mostly a battleground for traditional (emphasis on Hellenic classics and Euro-American curricula) versus progressive (Waldorf, Montessori, the Dalton Plan) pedagogy. I can only speak to my k-12 experience (and my proxy, mother's k-12 teaching experien…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 10:27 PM
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Not male, masculine. What part of your femininity helps you with understanding, studying, exploring space?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 10:23 PM
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Are you defined by actions or thoughts? Or both? shrug A gay identifying guy that only dates women, is he still gay?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 10:22 PM
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Clean as you cook? To save time or?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 10:19 PM
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Space is super worldly and has nothing to do with people. How many boys dream of being an astronaut? Space is like the ultimate endless adventure filled with wonders and danger, it's super appealing to masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 10:18 PM
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Depends on what you define as success. A blacksmith wouldn't need to know how to read to be successful. Neither would a maid. A blacksmith would need to be able to read manuals and instructions. All trades really. A maid wouldn't. Now a days it is, only further proving my point. Manditory government schooling leads to parents relying on the government to teach kids to be adults instead of the parents leads to disfunctional adults, because that's not the point of schooling. People were graduating…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 10:17 PM
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Maybe. Maybe not. I'm definitely a fan of make babies and let others raise them. But that's not what I think most men want to do lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 10:14 PM
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Only 3 times a week? Jeez, what a nag. Some of this sounds like from personal experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 10:11 PM
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They don't know how or don't want to. Lazy. Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 10:10 PM
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Rich but fun? Seems like AB/BF. 20 year olds wouldn't stay around without the fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 10:09 PM
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Do men exist that nag their wives for anything but sexual stuff?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 10:08 PM
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Even if he works in other ways more?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 10:07 PM
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Looks: overweight, poor hygiene, unkempt facial hair/sideburns, not doing anything with his hair (so bald is fine as long as he keeps it shaved). Basically if his beard isn't trimmed, hair isn't combed and styled, his teeth are yellow, and his clothes are ill fitting, he's probably lazy! Yup, grooming is a giant indicator of health and mental state. Acts: this is difficult because every marriage is different. Some people do 50/50 house work and 50/50 bills, some couples do 100% housework for 1 p…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 10:07 PM
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It's a phenomenon for sure and feminism, Women being able to work higher paying jobs and are more masculinized enables lazy men like never before.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 10:06 PM
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That beauty doesn't maintain itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 10:05 PM
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doesn't help you when you ask for it, balks and whines if you ask him to do something. Sounds terrible! Why even fuck him.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 10:05 PM
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Doesn't lead his family or relationship, doesn't work on and take care of himself regularly, doesn't fix his own problems and expects others to do so. Lazy men in general avoid effort and trying and typically pain too. Feminism is great for lazy men. Best con ever is act like a hard working man, get a wife, and just let go completely. Make her earn the money and clean while the man plays video games or whatever time waste he prefers.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 10:02 PM
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Do you split chores otherwise? Space and Whiskey are both highly masculine interests ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 09:59 PM
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But they can be made to see. If you point it out in an objective fashion, how would he deny it?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 09:58 PM
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But they can see it is the difference. If the man cares or not is a different question, healthy men care about having a clean environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 09:52 PM
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They're for men who don't want to rape but don't know what consent is and what isn't consent. Which comes down to body language and signals on both sides. If women are getting date raped they're usually fucking up too. I'm not just blaming women either, I've had women tell me straight up they wish someone taught them how they mislead men without meaning to and that put them in a situation where they then froze.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 09:51 PM
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There's plenty of organic dread you can create. There's probably things happening to you regularly that if you simply mentioned would cause some dread. Like talking about male attention or men you noticed.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 09:48 PM
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Of course not. However I'm also saying Rp should be taught, not TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 09:47 PM
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Talk to 100 couples in marriage counseling. In at least 80% of those couples, both parties will say that they do more than their spouse. They don't well quantify a woman's emotional needs. Women rarely appreciate how their man sacrifices for them and what he does for them, they usually can't even if they wanted to because they don't understand or see it necessarily.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 09:46 PM
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That is not true at all. Remember that most people never went to school to succeed in society. And if they did, they were often pulled out by parents at a certain age so they could full time learn to do real world adult things, such as learn a trade, academics were a luxury not a staple. Well at the base, it teaches literacy which is needed for success. Parents pulling students out is mostly irrelevant? Correct. They are becoming an extension of highschool. Right, training people for our corpora…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 09:45 PM
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Yeah and I definitely think that is an ideal situation. Women naturally want to take care of the home. Like I just feel an instinct to want to make it a nice place. My boyfriend likes it to be a nice place and he likes it to be clean, but he doesn't feel the same way as I do. Completely agree. I have a lot of apathy towards decorating. I like functional stuff a lot more. Though I'm working on liking decorating too lol. Which is why I think the whole egalitarian marriage is stupid. It just doesn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 09:39 PM
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Of course, AWALT and AMALT should be taught. Both gender's natures, not just one side.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 09:37 PM
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Because it's just as ridiculous as teaching abstinence only sex ed is. Hardly. One is realistic, one isn't. Also, we don't need indoctrination in our school systems. Yes we do. School = Societal Indoctrination Machine. Last thing a society wants is a bunch of free thinkers causing trouble lol
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 09:36 PM
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Where? What do they do? What are their goals? What do they care about?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 09:35 PM
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Are you saying most men need to be taught not to rape? Like seriously? If anything, teach men body language so they can more accurately know when a woman wants him or not. A man that wants to rape will not be convinced otherwise by classes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 09:33 PM
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Feminist concepts taught in schools are scientifically supported Not proven. And many rp positions are scientifically supported in that sense too. TRP just tends to reject evidence that doesn't support their narrative, as the Feminist Imperative has corrupted all social sciences Lol. No. Feminism relies on vaguery and not conclusive anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 09:32 PM
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That's actually a very valid point and concern... We have all these illusions both instinctually created and not(Disney) to help promote men and women to make love babies. However, Real MenTM would step up to the plate and want to create large families anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 09:30 PM
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TRP teaches that women are inferior, dangerous in some ways, and lesser than them, and teaches men how to gain power over them at women's expense. Women are better in some ways, men in others. Yes it teaches men how women really are, what their tactics are, and how to use that for their own benefit. All it does is even the playing field at best. Which is women's biggest problem with Rp, it hurts your power advantage. It's not really a false equivalence at all. How does that make it less of one? …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 09:28 PM
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Telling my partner what is wrong and expecting them to react accordingly is a "female temper tantrum"? I don't think so. When I throw a temper tantrum you'll know... Getting angry is my contention. Why get angry if you have control over yourself typically? So you date women who don't offer you much so you can treat them as live in maids? Sounds unhealthy and extremely expensive. Just hire a weekly maid and a prostitute! It'll be cheaper than the therapy in 10 years. Lol no. Almost no woman can g…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 09:25 PM
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That's for him to determine. People should be who they want to be. Imagine a hypothetical. If you can't, them why on earth should any other man be able to? The problem is, people don't get to choose who they are and what they believe as soon as they're born. They end up believing things because of their upbringing, and then this controls who they want to be. So some men are made to hate masculinity, why then would they want to be masculine? There are men that stay completely undeveloped because …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 09:22 PM
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Not sure how that's actually different really, just more specific. More specific? lol what does that even mean. A theory of something is not the same thing as what it explains. Economics isn't the same thing as an economy. Yeah I know. But it's implies that economics is a theory about the system the economy follows. You just explained that for rp which was being more specific about what rp is. Check out Games People Play, or any other psychodynamic explanation of human behavior. I'll check it ou…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 09:16 PM
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Idk why you think rp is too dumb to recognize women's individuality. Especially me as I have a woman specifically for how she's a unique combination of things...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 09:10 PM
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Of course. They also genuinely don't understand what they disagree with either 99% of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 09:08 PM
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Often. Other times it's the man being too unmasculine for his woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 09:08 PM
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For the same reason they don't teach Creationism. Sadly, that isn't fully true. Haha, bible belt. Lots of it isn't scientifically supported. Yet feminism is taught and the rules in which we even conduct schooling is done in a feminist way.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 09:07 PM
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They can, yes. I could be gay if I wanted to be, or bi.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 09:05 PM
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I did briefly in my OP
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 09:05 PM
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What a beautiful false equivalence and strawman
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 09:04 PM
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Feminism is sexist too, especially with the misandry. So what was achieved again? Ah yes, fucking men over so women can do what they feel more.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 09:03 PM
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Lol if I thought no one disagreed with me I wouldn't post.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 08:58 PM
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No man needs to be taught not to rape. Women need to be taught what their signals imply and to not put themselves in vulnerable and misleading situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 08:57 PM
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Instead we push prescriptive views based on feminism and its ideals, and this fucks many men up and prevents many from success. Your desire for education is never how it has been nor how it ever will be.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 08:56 PM
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Only real ones
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 08:54 PM
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That's not what that usually means. It means that he expects you to do it when you don't expect to have to do it. That is the problem. The solution is aligning expectations to match each other's so she doesn't have something to nag over. Whether that means you do the laundry or he does or you each do your own is up to the couple/man.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 08:54 PM
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I don't know what "frame" is. I communicate honestly with my partner and expect them to do the same. I don't throw temper tantrums, I explain why I am upset and I expect them to do the same. There's no "you bend to me/I bend to you" bullshit. You both compromise. If you're angry and demanding apologies, that's a female temper tantrum often enough. Frame is hard to describe, but when you got your last boyfriend, you didn't start mostly doing things he was doing, nor do you defer to his decision. …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 08:51 PM
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You need to up your dread game. He has like no fear of you leaving, especially if he's taking you for granted and not showing you appreciation in some way.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 08:44 PM
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Hot pockets have so many steps, too stressful
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 08:42 PM
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Doesn't exist. Unless you call cat ladies WGTOW
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 08:38 PM
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Most women do not handle stress well at all. My SO can cry from the stress of too much traffic lol. So many career women eat their feelings and stress. Men are designed for stress and physical and emotional punishment and pain. Not women, it fucks with their gentle and delicate and playful nature massively.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 08:25 PM
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Men get the house, women fill it and make it theirs. Though if you let a woman do anything she wants to the house, you'll end up with sheer madness haha.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 08:23 PM
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People still take husband and fiance more seriously than boyfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 08:22 PM
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If men can be lazy, they will be. We don't care about filth and neglect nearly as much as women, that stuff affects your feelings which you notice and care more about than men. Making men the primary breadwinner helps fight against laziness by a long shot. My time goes to work, working towards future work, a couple hobbies, and my SO. Those first two would be less prioritized if I knew I could lean on my SO significantly(which I could make her, but don't for exactly why you'd rather have a low s…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 08:21 PM
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I don't think so really. The main purpose of school has always been for adults to be created so they can succeed in the society. Knowledge used to be what colleges and universities focused on. That's being undone too however.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 08:12 PM
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Lol,just because the top positions aren't 50/50 doesn't make west patriarchal. Equal opportunity =/= equal outcome. Just telling you what feminists say and want. Not that they all agree, as obviously you don't. So then is the west a matriarchy? Keep being paranoid that I'm against masculinity all together, more like asshole macho behaviour of a stoic fucktard. Yeah,if those are gone I'll be happy. Macho stoic fucktard? Words have little meaning to you don't they... So you're okay with a man's pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 08:09 PM
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Heh, however evil women are painted holds little candle to how evil male nature is at the base. But ideally the negative forms of both gender's natures would be shown and discussed.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 08:06 PM
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You seem to value career yes? Perhaps you have some true or grand ambition? Do you believe there are no men that exist that can help you with your goals? Why did Hillary choose Bill? You are a rather rare sort, you will have rather unique needs and desires, you don't value the normal stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 08:04 PM
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I disagree, schooling grooms children to become adults useful for a society. School is not just about knowledge, that's hardly the focus at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 08:03 PM
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Why would any man prefer that? Especially if he's not already great and/or self actualized?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 08:01 PM
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Some cynicism is good. They wouldn't be confused if men and women's differences were laid out and not hidden, shamed.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 08:00 PM
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if a woman is nagging to do the laundry, either her expectations are incorrect, or the system set up for her to do the laundry is inadequate. Omg are you serious? You don't know how to do your own laundry? I thought the stereotype of man children who had mommy cater to their every whim and couldn't even do their own laundry was... well just a stereotype. Just wondering, are you over 25? Have you always relied on women to do basic life tasks or were you ever self sufficient at any point? Lol, of …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 08:00 PM
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When does a man benefit from being less masculine over more masculine?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 07:52 PM
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Have you heard of power couples? Dating down is the easy way, not the best way. You don't need to be paid for, give up being the planner, have to have kids to date up. Some men will demand those things, not all. Of course higher SMV people are more able to cheat, but that comes with being high value.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 07:51 PM
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You're not being selfish for not dropping everything and helping everyone, focusing on yourself isn't selfish,because you cannot help everyone and fix their issues. In what world is focusing on yourself not selfish by definition? Once again,aggression has levels, if you're like Bill or Jon ''aggressive'' that's normal, if you're like Trump aggressive moron trying to be some macho male,you're a dickhead. Okay, I never said any amount of aggression is always good. And Trump is not too aggressive w…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 07:49 PM
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No... trust me, as woman, if I'm telling you to do that laundry don't try to figure out the underlying mysterious cause of me asking you to do the laundry... just do the damn laundry! If a woman is nagging to do the laundry, either her expectations are incorrect, or the system setup for her to do the laundry is inadequate. Women are more direct than men. Oh God. I almost loled in the middle of work. No. My life would be so easy if this was true because I'm direct and blunt by nature. No no no. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 07:38 PM
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But why when you can date up??
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 07:34 PM
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What reaction are they trying to elicit?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 07:33 PM
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Yes, first male mentality must change, then media will reflect it and brainwash children with the new male mentality.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 07:32 PM
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Very rarely will she directly tell you the problem. What she's nagging about tells you why she's nagging indirectly, the source of the problem usually isn't what she's actually nagging about. The nagging tends to focus on symptoms of the problem she's trying to express.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 07:31 PM
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How do you resolve the conflict between cheap and quality? Case by case? Or does one defer?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 07:23 PM
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No they cannot. Selfishness and most forms of aggressiveness are inherently assholeish things. How would I develop myself in any way without some selfishness? I am surrounded by people that need help, if I was selfless I would be helping them directly instead of building myself. How would I find opportunities and land them without aggression to hunt for and seize and fight for opportunities? Explain it to me. How does a selfless passive(not aggressive) man develop and become successful? Now look…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 07:22 PM
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Our western society is still patriarchal lol. Men are still taking up most of the positions of power and socially we do not treat women equally to men. But if you have your way you can help get rid of the remaining masculine men and have your feminist paradise of women and unmasculine men.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 07:18 PM
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Fiction would be more than enough to create strong masculine men throughout society. Tell me Sponge Bob and Steven Universe have no effect on children and adults? Of course they do, they push feminist viewpoints.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 07:14 PM
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Well if it's not more thorough then surely he'd see your logic as to why it's not?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 07:12 PM
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Again, you are the one putting words in my mouth. Men can be selfish and aggressive and not be considered an asshole. Get it?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 07:11 PM
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He's not a man. That is a woman that's power hungry. Rand basically prescribes how to be a strong independent woman and thinks that's what men are. Men do not get power for the sake of power. It's pointless. It wouldn't compel them to act unless something else is seriously driving them externally.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 07:10 PM
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What? Hmm, you're dating down.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 07:08 PM
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And unpredictable too! Which is what creates boredom to begin with, typically.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 07:07 PM
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Did I say asshole or did you? Jon Stewart and Bill Maher would be nobodies if not for their selfish and aggressive side. No selfishness does not allow you to build and live for yourself, to take from others as required while plenty need. No aggression gives no passion to care to do more than work a min wage job and watch TV all day.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 07:06 PM
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by removing male role models from society Society is still chock-full of male role models, but there's just more to choose from. In the past there were only the American Heros like John Wayn and The Fonz to choose from, Uh no, Star Trek TOS for example has numerous great masculine men in it. but since then there have been many modern incarnations of their coolness. Beck from Victorious, An actor? That is not a good masculine role model. Entertainers are the current biggest male role models, whic…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 07:02 PM
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Of course you do all the chores better. ;) So then why not do what's more thorough?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 06:45 PM
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If they're trying to win an argument based on moral when the argument is not discussing morals, then it is virtue signaling and irrelevant to the argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 06:43 PM
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A balanced human is grey, not black, not white. Fun vs Practical Feminine vs Masculine Loving vs Hating Many dichotomies, walking both lines is difficult and it requires developing both sides, but it's immensely exciting and desirable by everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 06:41 PM
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Except all players act rp and all masculine men act rp too. In other words, your nonsense is nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 06:34 PM
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He can't backup why he wants it the way he does typically?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 06:24 PM
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No, it's not. The best argument you could make would be that RP is a set of concepts that maps onto reality better than competing alternatives. Not sure how that's actually different really, just more specific. However, even that isn't true. There are much stronger explanations/frameworks for the social/psychological phenomena RP talks about than the evopsych and gender essentialism that RP relies on. Such as? Believing in a strict, essentialist gender binary may be comforting to some. But I'd r…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 06:23 PM
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I forgot to reply to where you linked what you quoted. My problem there, Rand's idea of a leader that compels the masses with religious ways, has no goal himself. Why? Why wouldn't a man ruling the masses have a goal he's trying to accomplish? She doesn't seem to understand what true ambition is.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 06:20 PM
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Yes it's a great red pill perspective that's still loving. Definitely worth reading.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 06:18 PM
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Masculinity is fueled by a man's testosterone and enables him to build his world as he desires. Aggression and sexuality are at the heart of a masculine man, as well as emotional resilience, a well developed confident ego, and a strong focus on how he can affect the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 06:16 PM
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Aggression is context dependent for being good or bad. It isn't negative as feminists and women feel like it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 06:02 PM
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There are no negative aspects of masculinity. This is your confusion and feminist bullshit. How is a man going to be dominant and commanding without having selfish and aggressive attributes too? Nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 06:02 PM
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Would you hate if your man went from cuddly to very not? Like went from chubby to ripped?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 05:58 PM
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No reason why he prefers it his way?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 05:57 PM
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/facepalm Rp is reality. That's the point. Your description is an ideal, and only kind of works with masculinized women. Expecting direct communication from a highly feminine woman with low masculine development is absurd.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 05:56 PM
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Women don't nag to be bitches. That isn't what makes a bitch a bitch. Bitches are so because they don't give a fuck. Lol. Nagging is done because the woman is unhappy or unsatisfied about something. It is her way of trying to express what she feels is wrong. An unmasculine man gets mad and annoyed at the nagging. A masculine man deciphers what she really means and needs, and takes appropriate action. Cause she can't just directly tell you, or else she probably would, unless she's a retard, which…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 05:47 PM
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This is so BP it hurts. Men and Women are the mostly the same. They should and do act the same way. If they do not, it's wrong and unhealthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 05:42 PM
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Silly inefficient woman style, why won't they do it my efficient man way?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 05:41 PM
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I went out with a divorced chick last summer. When I asked why she left her husband she told me,"he was having a midlife crises" "Was he drinking? Cheating? Spending all the family money?* Nope. He was working on cars and he wanted to learn how to skateboard. This is why men can't just believe the bullshit that comes out of women's mouth. No she left him because at some point he probably made himself look too weak, needy, and less masculine than she demanded over and over again. It just correlat…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 05:36 PM
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I'm confused, what here is mythical? It's interesting to see idealism as part of human emotion and personality. What makes it part of those things?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 05:34 PM
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What professions are deal breakers for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 05:11 PM
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I find the pattern of attraction for dark hair and dark eyes to be quite interesting, I didn't realize blonde men had it tougher in ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 05:10 PM
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A pretty good list of what an ideal balanced man is like.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 05:09 PM
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Do you like how cuddly they are? Always been my SO's issue with more muscles lol
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 05:06 PM
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It's like you want a guy to be your arm candy?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 05:05 PM
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Interesting that you identify liking narrow faces.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 05:03 PM
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What disappointed you when you did deviate?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 05:01 PM
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What do you mean by sexual blanks? They don't seem sexual?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 05:01 PM
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That was intentional.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 04:57 PM
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After all it should make you more alpha and masculine if you actually stop trying to conform to societies standards and become your true self. Yes, self actualization, which is done by developing your masculinity. Yet society says masculinity isn't real or known or doesn't really matter, has removed nearly all positive masculine role models from the media, says masculinity is toxic, demonizes the sexual and violent sides of masculinity which are at the heart of masculinity, says being unmasculin…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 04:36 PM
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Terrible false equivalence
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 04:22 PM
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It's absolutely terrible. No man benefits.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 04:20 PM
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You get to choose. Plenty of women don't work and plenty of men don't care still.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 04:19 PM
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You just don't acknowledge how the same feminist message affects men and women differently. Women don't need to conform to gender roles the way men do. Telling men they don't need to conform to gender roles causes the men that need the push to be masculine, that need help getting past their self hatred to be okay with masculinity, from ever becoming masculine because society says its okay. Feminism wants unmasculine men dude. It achieved it by suppressing and confusing men, by removing male role…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 04:14 PM
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They are. But indoctrination makes men suppress themselves, not develop themselves. An undeveloped man isn't masculine, feminism says men don't need to develop in masculine ways, being effeminate is fine, being undeveloped is fine, if someone wants to be. However, no man becomes masculine without effort and trying. That sort of dogma preached to undeveloped men tells them it's okay to remain undeveloped, that it shouldn't impede their life.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 04:11 PM
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Sorry, maybe it's the depression talking, but I just don't see any value in any of the three choices you offered. I'd rather be myself and be liked and valued for who I am. I think if I were born in say...classical Athens or something, even as an rich free citizen, I'd be trampled underfoot by the men who like to compete and fight and whatnot. But you hate your current self, you must want to change implicitly. Almost no one is liked and valued for who they are, they're liked and valued for how t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 01:38 AM
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You seem very focused on what you think of idealism. And you seem to only apply it to men. Save for your casual 'women to a lesser extent' sideline. Man and women embrace idealism. I don't see why you feel compelled to gender it, like everything else. Except, of course, your embrace of reed pill concepts, I suppose. Compare the number of men and women that martyr themselves for their ideals. Women value their life almost always over ideals. They are more survival oriented. Men are more willing t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/17 01:31 AM
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I wouldn't say I have a " type" really. In thinking on the guys in my life there are def similarities in them. The guy I'm dating now is very similar to my ex-fiance in many ways but very different in a couple important ways (I think! I hope!) he's def a bit less intense. Is less intense good? TBH Set I don't think about a lot of this stuff in depth I just work with people organically I guess and it just happens or evolves. I have a good feeling about this guy. He's a creative type for sure but …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 11:48 PM
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You missed the point. Obama still deals with prejudice and racism regardless of how he got where he did.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 11:46 PM
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This post prompted me to go from lurking to posting. Glad to hear from you, different perspectives are always great to see. As a dude suffering from serious anxiety, depression, social anxiety, loneliness, gender/body dysphoria, and isolation, I have to say that something in me really dislikes the notion that women "take things out on themselves" while men lash out. I've never, ever lashed out at anybody other than myself. I'm relentlessly polite, self-effacing, quiet, and miserable and lonely. …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 11:44 PM
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I hear you, I greatly dislike labels for the same reason, as well as people often take advantage of others by using their labels against them. You're noticing something very intrinsic to men especially, because of the nature of male brains everything we know and value we tend to also hold some ideal form of in our minds. That's what idealism as well as much of religion also stems from in many ways. Women do this too, but to a massively less extent. I find a realistic cynical outlook is very effe…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 11:33 PM
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They display alpha traits, show off high status behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 11:02 PM
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Which principle are you referring to? 'My body my choice'?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 11:01 PM
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Continue following the comment thread and you'll see applying the concept of religiosity to my views is wrong. And I'm not a feminist. Do you consider yourself an egalitarian and not a feminist? What idealism do you generally like otherwise?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 11:00 PM
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Stop living for them. They want you to succeed for themselves, not you. They pushed a masculine attitude onto you without developing masculine confidence in you. Ground your confidence in skills and things you're good at, knowledge you know. Then I'd either focus on family or a career depending on what you feel like is more you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 10:42 PM
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Some men will never get a woman. Ever. Too ugly, short, etc. Bottom like 5-10% of men. Suppose they could just pay for a surrogate. But my point remains. There is an argument that defends everything. There are no shoulds. Who's going to enforce it? Your God has abandoned humanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 10:39 PM
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He's just pointing out the religiosity of your position. Which I mean, feminism derives from Protestantism in many ways so, what a surprise.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 10:37 PM
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True misogyny, forcing a woman to act like a man. 90% of women get utterly wrecked.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 10:36 PM
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You do know this is just your opinion right? That nothing you've said can possibly convince anyone else because all you have is anecdotes and the ability to say no? LOL
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 10:34 PM
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Lol, see your bias dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 10:32 PM
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Of course you conveniently forgot
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 10:30 PM
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I mean...duh. If men were people focused they'd most all get pussy no problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 10:29 PM
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What about men that want children but women don't want him?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 10:28 PM
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Why does he deserve to sink?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 10:26 PM
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Just because Obama made it to President doesn't remove the disadvantages he faces as a black person in our racist society. Just because a man is successful and has advantage over other men and women doesn't remove the disadvantages he faced as a man in our misandrist society. For once a racial analogy actually holds perfectly, and your overly reductionist view loses nuance in attempts to paint the picture you want. P.S. There are no alpha women...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 10:25 PM
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Sounds like your hatred stems from weakness and/or inferiority? Why does bring inferior to others or weaker than others bother you so much? Do you expect more from yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 10:21 PM
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You sure can influence others however.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 10:19 PM
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Why does it matter if abortion is illegal?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 10:19 PM
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You're basically flipping the gender roles. Which is fine I suppose? You're acting like the man, your partner joins and enters your life and frame instead of vice versa. Lol, feminism. Men can now let women take on the burden of responsibility and leading and enjoy and being lazy instead. The problem in many ways is that men are way lazier than women if they can be. There's also a chance you genuinely have a masculine core. If you feel good being the dominant one in the relationship, don't get s…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 09:59 PM
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It's not at all an absolute bad. If someone rapes your daughter is it absolutely bad to kill the rapist? I think not.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 08:12 PM
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Men need help when they happen to. Men don't always or never need help. Toxic masculinity is more like holding women to male standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 08:08 PM
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Maybe if it's a simple problem...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 08:08 PM
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Most feminists seem to only believe in certain aspects, typically based on whatever affects them or people they care about.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 08:07 PM
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"there are more similarities than differences" ≠ "there are no differences" This doesn't state that they are the exact same. It says that of all the traits they looked at 78% had small or negligible differences. So women aren't more emotionally intelligent on average as the difference is small or negligible to be called significant? Obviously RP recognizes there are similarities and differences, yet BP mostly denies the differences. This is why you're actually red, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 07:21 PM
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It does, it's called feminism.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 07:11 PM
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I don't see how. Even if you don't care to be in control, someone will be, and you will deal with power dynamics.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 06:23 PM
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How? Half the problem is the woman doesn't know how to solve the problem, typically. Unless it's really obvious, in which case, why even ask?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 06:22 PM
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I don't disagree, but ultimatums are not that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 06:22 PM
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You're explaining how self hatred from insecurity manifests differently in men and women. When women are insecure about being blamed they internalize their feelings and berate themselves. When men are insecure about being blamed they externalize their feelings and blame shift. When women are more secure in a sense and being blamed, that is when they blame shift, which is done with confident word play typically. When men are secure and being blamed, they accept and internalize the blame without b…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 06:03 PM
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That's because women tend to have higher emotional intelligence Yup, comes with people focus. and tend to be more self aware. They experience more guilt, shame and embarrassment Women on average are hardly self aware. Hardly at all. Part of why their guilt shame embarrassment often is too high, not self aware enough. whereas men give less of a shit about how their actions impact others. On average perhaps. Men tend not to focus on that as much. Men tend to have higher levels of pride which also …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 06:00 PM
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6'
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 05:54 PM
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Attraction is never able to be negotiated like you imply I don't think that. The how would talking about it succeed? Communication is done through dread game, not trying to speak your way into a woman wanting you and respecting you. Nuh uh. Communication is done through communication. Verbal communication is not the only form of communication, nor the most powerful one.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 05:52 PM
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Dude, threatening to end a relationship for your demands is inherently hostile and aggressive and emotionally manipulative. It is textbook manipulation and part of the manual on how to mind rape someone into subjugation. It is not kind or nice, ever, and it is inherently coercive. Have you dealt or been dealt an ultimatum in a relationship where you love one another? I've been on both sides. It's never without a feeling of coercion and threat. It can't be, the threat is ending the relationship a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 05:50 PM
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You give reasoning based on unproven premises. None of us have many proven premises. We don't even know the world scientifically exists. Haha. It seems to. But you can't prove it. "All women are/do x. Therefore, y and z must be true." where x is unsupported and unproven. Like I said: you expect us to take your word for it. Attraction is never able to be negotiated like you imply. Communication is done through dread game, not trying to speak your way into a woman wanting you and respecting you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 05:45 PM
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You hate dread game but then recommend nuclear dread game?? In what world are ultimatums not hostile and manipulative? They're very much so, and I've used them for that purpose lol. Is it condescending to point out your contradiction?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 05:41 PM
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Right, none of us ever give reasons for why we think things are the way they are. Yup, accurate. Oh wait we do? You just refuse to think for yourself and want studies to tell you what's true or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 05:36 PM
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Don't get ahead of yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 05:33 PM
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So AWALT
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 05:33 PM
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No, that's exactly the sort of woman that you don't dread because more isn't necessary and freaks her out.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 05:32 PM
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If you don't feel any dread you're out too. Balance is key, you don't want a white man or a black man you want a grey man.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 05:29 PM
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Not really. Welcome to reality. All relationships revolve around power imbalances.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 05:28 PM
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Lol! You say dread is bad. Outright saying "I need this from you or I'm leaving the relationship" is not what I consider manipulation or wrong. It's just a statement of preferences: I need this from you, or I'm out. And then proceed to recommend one of the last phases of dread, and most active and ruthless forms too. Fuck me or gtfo. Haha, love it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 05:27 PM
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BP is purely based on moral superiority and righteousness. Even by the BP players/womanizers. Lol. Purely. As in, idealistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 05:26 PM
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I mean, you're not open to being convinced so, yeah. You think you're right. Rp knows you're wrong. You don't really care. Your solution is blown up the relationship, the woman is shitty. Well guess what, AWALT. All women need dread, natural or not is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 05:25 PM
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Accepting blame too easily and then hating yourself for it vs blame shifting. Such extremes. It's like taking responsibility for it but in an irrational way still?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 05:11 PM
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There are a bunch of MGTOW men that have casual sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 04:47 PM
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Definitely a cause. So glad I'm not short.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 04:46 PM
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Maybe if they're a unicorn and I wanted an LTR. Otherwise, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 04:45 PM
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What are some ways women tend to internalize it more, take it out on themselves more? Women tend to abuse pain killers and sleeping pills more than men, I see it as trying to numb themselves from what they feel and experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 04:41 PM
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Women's self hatred is at once apparent and irrelevant. Why irrelevant? How is it apparent to you? Men's self hatred tends to arise from a belated realization of mistakes made, before you can bring yourself to forgive yourself. Yes, guilt. Women might be snakes. But it is a man's fault for inviting one into his heart and his home. Is it his fault for having instincts that make him desire such from a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 04:39 PM
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Typically women's, self hatred based on insecurity more so than hating their own thoughts and urges, impulses.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 04:38 PM
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Some women just can't handle the predatory nature of men. It makes them paranoid, anxious, nervous, scared, fearful of men. All those women looking to be better at getting their own high value men, the RPWs, they're all Machiavellian like women actively upping their seduction and game.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 04:37 PM
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That's an extremely unpleasant thought to me. And I don't mean that I never do anything for him at all, I believe in a pretty even give and take relationship, but with me being that extra 10% on charge. It's never even, men almost always give and sacrifice more than women do, which is why women make up for the imbalance with sexual favors. I find women who are run by their men to be weak, that type of life seems incredibly depressing, boring and unsatisfying. Being in charge of one's own destiny…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 04:35 PM
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Lol yes it's called "speaking" Set all creatures who make sounds with their mouth 👄 do it I'm pretty sure. Don't they? Nope, lol. You can speak to knowledge and not feelings too!
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 04:30 PM
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Live it up, accept eternal torment, and enjoy yourself until you die.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 04:25 PM
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It's brainwashing yourself for your own goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 04:24 PM
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I wouldn't call them MGTOW. More like Masculinists.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 04:24 PM
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Lol it's pretty funny. But at least his intentions are generally positive
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 04:23 PM
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I hear your overall message, but you offer no solution. Our society uses hedonism, narcissism, consumerism, to help keep the masses going and have some basic reason to live. What you preach however is typical selfless slave religion thinking. Ego is bad, pride is bad, etc. So then you live like a monk? Or are your a hypocrite?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 03:42 PM
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Ah yes, you understand so well you can't articulate it. True understanding. Haha
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 03:40 PM
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You're just a misogynist lol. It's not necessarily shitty female behavior, it's just female behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 03:39 PM
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The Red Pill is like the rash that you get when you've had strep throat for too long. Except in this case, society is sick. No. You criticize what you do not understand. My new life goal is to connect as many people as possible in a community, show them what it means to live a spiritual life in the face of a meaningless reality, and why that's generally better. RPers want connection, but they've numbed themselves. Yet RP has helped many connect with others better. RP doesn't exist to tell people…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 03:34 PM
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Look at it from their side, they're reminding themselves why they go MGTOW
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 03:33 PM
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Like two kids of your own? Or seven?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 05:48 AM
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You're being controlled in your most masculine and visceral way. What bigger freedom can you give up? 'Happy enough', compromise exactly. The dilemma of an LTR...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 05:48 AM
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All women... Have you met all women? Do you have studies that support your assertion? Why do you believe mammals don't have a nature to each gender? Female and male mammals of every species have a nature, and their own personality, but still some common nature across each species, and commonalities across many different species of mammals. Typically first their father... So nothing gender specific since men are typically raised by their fathers, too. Men don't attach to their fathers, they attac…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 05:47 AM
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If hell is real why wouldn't you live it up till you died?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 05:41 AM
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You don't like the idea of having a big family?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 05:39 AM
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What about men who won't submit to anybody except to their woman? Men have to give into women's demands to a significant degree, those are all acts of submission. I won't have anyone dominating me at all, but also won't have attraction to a man who is weak and submissive to other men. This seems not that uncommon... If you find him worthy you would want to give into to him. What stops you from wanting to give into a man is what I wonder.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 03:53 AM
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There's no way you ever choose your words to make people feel some way.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 03:49 AM
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All women need to be led, or at the least, greatly benefit from it. And they are led, usually by some man in their life. Typically first their father and then later a romantic partner they really trust. Some women do pretty well leading themselves, but I find it rare when they can lead themselves without often feeling a high level of stress.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 03:45 AM
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Do you think a truly Marxist society could last 1000 years?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 03:41 AM
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The rest of you get ruled by your fear. This isn't just a woman thing. I know some paranoid guys here who think that every divorce is a "divorce rape" and that there is absolutely nothing a guy can do to lower the risks of divorce. Most men are divorce rape candy and can do little to fight it. Sadly enough. When you've removed the structures that keep men and women together, what exactly do you expect when combined with weakening men and removing their support structures? We make every man fend …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 01:01 AM
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You're not a man, you're never going to have RP mentality. You already know what human nature is like more so than not don't you? Do you trust everyone by default?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 12:59 AM
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Who cares about stats really. What does it matter? For every failed marriage there are plenty of successful ones, the biggest thing to learn from is what makes those marriages successful. Lots of people suck at communication which is the base of any relationship to begin with, and communication skills aren't exactly getting better when we deny that men and women think rather differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 12:56 AM
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Sigh, this place isn't for women for this specific reason. Basically only psychopathic and Machiavellian women benefit from actually studying RP material. The rest of you get ruled by your fear. Your best defense is having as good of girl game as possible. Women conquer men after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 12:55 AM
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Lol it's funny how much you fear rp mentality. Despite it being supremely attractive lol. But to your question, yes, it's made me anti-marriage, especially if someone doesn't want kids. Marriage makes a man give up his freedom. LTRs are bad enough in that regard.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 12:53 AM
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You think a good driver is determined by if they're a safe driver? Are people that are professional drivers but don't drive safely then bad drivers?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 12:51 AM
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So how they'll react differently is based only on socialization? Or does nature come into play too?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 12:50 AM
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Come on, obviously someone that crashes into trees is probably pretty bad. But, by your logic, my mother is a great driver because she's never gotten a ticket or into an accident, yet it doesn't make me any less terrified when she's driving lol. You can be overly cautious and avoid tickets and accidents, it doesn't make someone a good driver. To me a good driver is very aware of the road and surroundings and has great control and confidence over their vehicle. So many women just make everyone el…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 12:27 AM
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Not the same, but the differences between us are basically irrelevant is the mainstream narrative. You cannot generalize men and women, they are just people and people are all individual.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 12:24 AM
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Why they're being called fat isn't really relevant. Sometimes it's the loving aunt. Sometimes it's the mean bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 12:08 AM
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The Gender Similarity Theory is the most accepted mainstream understanding of men and women. So... Figuring out the universals is what rp loves, though it focuses on women greatly as men are easier to figure out by far.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 12:07 AM
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No, RP trusts their own experience. No RP man is so without seeing it in real life over and over.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 12:06 AM
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Can you name any conclusive scientific positions about men and women's psychology?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 12:05 AM
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Are you serious? Most women are incredibly oblivious drivers and to not be is very stressful for them. Being able to avoid accidents and tickets doesn't make someone a good driver.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/17 12:04 AM
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Lol but it shows why relying on studies is utterly pointless. Great, we know almost nothing, but a little something, humans have similarities! Lets go home and treat women like men now cause they're the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 11:52 PM
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Not really. We don't live in a communist society where we are pushed into any specific field whatsoever. Women are free to enter the field they want to enter. No one's being "pushed" to enter hard science or math and I'd infact argue the opposite, being that I went to an all girl's school, the notion that women are typically better at some subjects than others was very prominent. AP history had 40 students in it, AP physics had 11. Women aren't "lost" because a woman who doesn't have the aptitud…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 11:46 PM
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At what point is there fucking??
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 11:28 PM
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My head doesn't understand Wtf is sexy wrestle
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 11:18 PM
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It's like more beautiful men have a higher chance of being gay? Idk
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 11:17 PM
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If a gf/wife is legitimately a danger to me personally, I probably wouldn't be attracted. I'd break up. It would take a monster of a woman to threaten me. Why do you think it would kill your attraction? If it's a daughter that I cared about, I'd retire early and take her outside the west where I can spank the shit out of her without repercussions. If I have to weigh this against other daughters that I like more... then yeah, sure jail is always a viable option. Not an answer I expected from you.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 11:15 PM
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Expel her from your life is no different than abandoning her.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 11:14 PM
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What if that is just how she is? Do you think all girls can be made to care about being logical?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 11:13 PM
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So what? I don't really care who does what as long as the best person for a job does it. Not all women are born with the same capabilities. Some are great in science and math, some are great doing other things. Same for men. Instead of forcing people to go into a box they aren't any good at or want nothing to do with, we live in a great culture that stresses the fact you can do and achieve what you are capable of doing and achieving, and artificial barriers are no longer in place to stop you. Aw…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 11:09 PM
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So you're saying that every single woman out there really wants a man to be in charge of her, and Yup. Exceptions are women that cannot trust men enough, have been damaged in some way(abuse usually), are their own man essentially. if she seems to not want the man to be in charge, it's because that man isn't masculine enough for her. Yes. Precisely really. She doesn't trust his judgement, well acknowledge his superiority. If she can best him, than why can't another woman or man? However, I will a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 10:49 PM
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I mean, I didn't say there are none, but you're way overestimating the impact. Look at how few female nobel laureates there are for example. The thing is, women are far more likely to achieve greatness in female oriented fields. It's really inefficient to not exploit that, like women have a higher chance of discovering ways of caring for the environment and conserving species and what not than discovering new physics or chemistry related things. Not really a surprise that there are a ton more no…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 10:42 PM
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I'm not a collectivist, I'm a dissenter. I hate bowing to authority and love to fuck up systems, especially belief systems.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 10:28 PM
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So say she gets locked up and then what? Just deal with it and don't get a new wife or cheat on her? And what about back before we let women be responsible for themselves? What should a man do when his wife doesn't listen as he needs?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 10:19 PM
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I would either have been a assimilated into the government or made disappear.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 10:17 PM
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Society is more capable and productive with women being able to contribute. Think of all the advancements in the last century that have been shouldered by women. Without those women , we would have needed to wait until some man was born with the brain, the passion, and the trajectory to figure those things out. Like what? Most important fields aren't exactly being pioneered or led by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 10:16 PM
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And if she doesn't listen and breaks the law and gets the man in trouble? Like, almost no man rather beat his wife over not lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 10:15 PM
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Please, Islam had The Sultanate of Women which rules the Ottoman Empire and drove it to the ground. A feminist Islamic culture. The Ottoman Empire also abolished slavery before the UK and USA. The Sultanate of Women (Turkish: Kadınlar Saltanatı) was the nearly 130-year period during the 16th and 17th centuries when the women of the Imperial Harem of the Ottoman Empire exerted extraordinary political influence over state matters and over the (male) Ottoman sultan, starting from the reign of Sulei…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 09:17 PM
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Still looking off to the side. It's the nose especially but I think cheekbones and eyes that let her down most. Her smile is crap too. She smiles like a girl, not a woman. She has like zero concept of seduction and feminine sexuality and it shows in her mannerisms, behavior, expression. She probably looked best around 14-16, fits her not-a-woman look much more. dodges shoes
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 09:13 PM
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I don't think you're a great judge of character, so I'll continue to form my own opinions. I wouldn't tell you to do anything otherwise. Accepting someone's opinion doesn't mean you don't question it too. Trust but verify. No, I deny that possessive love is necessarily a good thing. I deny that men are a monolith and all believe and feel the same things. I deny that feeling responsible for, or for having a vested interested in, protecting a woman or child equates to ownership of that woman or ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 09:08 PM
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How could I fail to take it personally? You are making a sweeping statement about all women. I am a woman. Am I missing something? Is there nuance here you don't really admit to? By not making it about yourself... I can only speak for one woman, myself. I don't reward criminals, womanizers or psychopaths - but I certainly see society doing that and woman included. It's wrong and I wish I could shake those women and tell them to not be so superficial and thoughtless. I hate the way some women tre…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 09:05 PM
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It's a way to move from being low class to upper class. Baller lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 09:00 PM
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Late 1500's During the reign of Ivan the Terrible in Russia, the State Church sanctions the oppression of women by issuing a Household Ordinance that describes when and how a man might most effectively beat his wife. He is allowed to kill a wife or serf for disciplinary purposes. A half a century later, many Russian women fight back. When they kill their husbands for all the injustices they have been forced to endure, their punishment is to be buried alive with only their heads above the ground,…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 08:59 PM
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I disagree that idealism deals in black and whites. Yes there has to be a balance, but it has to be in favor of idealism - pushing things forward in a positive way that challenges people. Of course I know that not everyone can rise above their nature - but we should strive to and encourage others to do so. Things need to change, we're in agreement about that. Sure, yet feminism pushes idealism blindly as if there is no human nature. Hence, society is all fucked up and anti-feminism is surging. A…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 08:49 PM
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not all women are greedy despite redpill saying AWALT. Their own problem. Women should be reasonably greedy. It's their right and prerogative. Some women like to earn their own shit and pay their own way. There are women who feel good about being able to pay for their own shit and don't want to be provided for. Okay, and let them feel good for their masculine values. Doesn't make them better than more feminine valued women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 08:46 PM
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Lol that's probably her best angle. Straight on is most revealing and usually important. Also that picture is black and white which is extra cheating. So yeah no. Though I will say, I've never seen her face look as good as in that picture.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 08:45 PM
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How good looking are you? Pretty good looking Ding ding ding. This is your biggest edge. Realize it gives you leeway to be less masculine and that less good looking men can't rely on this. Sexually aggressive? Pretty verse tbh Pretty verse? Of course the less polarized person is less attracted to the more polarized people. But that isnt what the OP stated in the slightest. Also I've never seen trp make these clains so. It's a basic rp principle. The more polarized someone is the more they're att…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 08:43 PM
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So? Doesn't mean she doesn't want more and can't get other benefits from him too.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 08:38 PM
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You're talking to a woman. Whoops. And probably the most enlightened one here. Appeal to authority. And also, just like, your opinion, man. Sure dude. But every single other woman here I think has failed me or disappointed me. Take that as you will. I'm not exactly nice, nor do I personally care about any of them. Finding a woman that seems to understand men is soo rare. And you don't recognize your own possessive love. I've never said anything about how I define love, so you can't possibly know…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 08:37 PM
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Idealists deal in black and whites!!! The real solution is a balance between being realistic and idealistic. Feminism is pure idealism and people are unhappy massively because of it. To achieve something best for individuals that still progresses society is doable, but you cannot rely on being idealistic solely and try to force people to behave above their nature. Especially women, lol, they can't get above their nature even when they want to.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 08:31 PM
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Yes, but you posted those passages as if they're true or mean something outside of trying to force people to act a certain way. Like, why not covet your neighbor's wife? Not because God gives half a shit, but because it fucks neighborhoods and societies, makes neighbors fight against each other instead of banding together.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 08:29 PM
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When the woman finds a man that's more masculine than her in a significant way, and especially if that man is better than her in one of her own areas of interest, then she will not be able to help feeling attracted to that man. Whether she will leave or cheat or control herself is unknown. But that risk doesn't exist if the man is more masculine than her, and even is less minimized if he's better than her in some ways that she really values(like he's a better athlete than her and she's really in…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 08:28 PM
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whereas men couldn't too. No, men could participate in hypergamy, but it wasn't as prevalent precisely because they could move up from their own work. How? What woman would marry into a lower social class and why? I think of Heathcliff; coded as black (or at least ambiguously brown) in old as fuck England, he was socially about as low as it can get. However he struck out, earned his nuts, returned to inherit Wuthering Heights, marry Isabella (higher class than him) and then inherit Thrushcross G…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 08:11 PM
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Yeah but bringing up religion fucked up your argument... Religion does not describe reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 08:08 PM
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Fun question
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 08:06 PM
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They're the same thing. Both scenarios are women that want a man that BEHAVES like he's high status, an alpha. First is more optimal as you will have more evidence of this woman's ability to be loyal and control her hypergamy. But the second is fine, gives higher abundance mentality and the illusion is less created that she wants you for anything more than what you add to her life.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 08:06 PM
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Do you have any knowledge of laws back then? I don't specifically. But you're basically saying there would be no laws that make beating your woman and children illegal. Doesn't seem right to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 08:02 PM
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In this country it's the vast majority of male citizens who have this advantage. This seems to be what a lot of men want and it doesn't work well here...seems to me that balancing the feminine and masculine in society is the only way forward and it has never been the case. It's not right as it is now, but it never has been. This is not the fault of feminism or women, it's a fault of human frailty, arrogance and shortsightedness. I don't think feminism is the salvation or the damnation many make …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 07:58 PM
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No. In the past, women couldn't vote, couldn't own property in their own right etc. Women also faced discrimination in education, and while a few exceptional women busted through that, the majority did not. Edited to remove inflammatory statement. All true for most men then too. Try again.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 07:55 PM
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She's top 25% sure. An HB6.9 at best. Lol. She's the best Plain Jane. But Plain Jane is never an HB7 or better beauty. And then she loses points for lacking femininity and voluptuousness. She's like a minimally developed body with a man's energy, it's not desirable.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 07:54 PM
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It's mean is the main argument against rp.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 07:52 PM
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Cause it works and explains reality and everyone abides by it. My favorite proofs of rp are the outliers actually. Bisexual manly men know it all.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 07:51 PM
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Yet you less masculine men end up with more masculine women which fits rp perfectly. The only problem with that sort of relationship is its more risky and volatile in ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 07:49 PM
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How good looking are you? Sexually aggressive? Your viewpoint fits in fine with rp. Of course the more androgynous person goes for the more androgynous mate. Of course the less polarized person is less attracted to the more polarized people. Basics really.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 07:48 PM
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When [I] feel desire, [I] also feel a need to 'claim' the object of [that] desire. Fixed that for you. You feel that way about women, not men as a whole. Don't lump me, a man, in with your ridiculous worldview. Women are not objects to be owned. You're talking to a woman. And probably the most enlightened one here. And you don't recognize your own possessive love.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 07:46 PM
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Unless you don't care about your relationship with the husband and/or wife, I'd avoid saying much at all. You're hurting her power and control over her man! Tsk tsk ;)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 07:45 PM
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Both can't relax. Just not how things work. That ends up with no decisions being made, and both sides frustrated. You relax, I'll take you to play. Men don't need to relax the way women do. Men can relax just fine with a woman's company while still leading.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 07:42 PM
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Sigh I wish. There are definitely men that are intimidated by women in physical and aggression ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 07:40 PM
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Yeah sure. The best knowledge of girl game comes from studying the mistresses of Kings and other great people. The mistress game is really cool really, the way they'd move up the social circles of society based on their seduction alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 07:38 PM
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What time period and country do you believe this was true in? What about that woman's brothers, uncles, etc? I'd expect them to protect her?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 07:37 PM
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A cute face does not make an HB7+. A beautiful face does. Most fit women are HB6 unless they have great genetics basically. HB7-HB10 is top 20% at most, probably more like top 10%. Emma Watson can never be a Belle.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 07:36 PM
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I mean, I think we see where blue and red disagree. You value women's freedom. I value the society and its strength, it's productivity, output, capability. You value feelings. I value achievement. Because when war comes, feelings don't fucking win.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 07:32 PM
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Society today is ruled by a psychopathic mindset - I don't think that's because of feminism though. I think the extremes of feminism are clearly influenced by it however. There is just a push towards everyone being more selfish, superficial and callous today - women don't drive that, they can be victims of it like anyone else. Not just because of no, but feminism promotes it. All the societal structures that fight psychopathy are gone for the most part. That is what women fought for, undoing the…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 07:28 PM
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It's more like, men today tried what feminists and women wanted, AND IT UTTERLY FAILED to make society better. I think it did. In what way? Women get to do whatever they want now makes everything better overall? Our society continues to descend further into madness. In which ways? And you think marriage is the only variable at play here? Fun is the focus, not achievement or productivity. So we act like that exactly. People that partake in the sexual marketplace spend lots of time focusing on par…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 07:22 PM
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I think a lot of terpers would agree with those Bible quotes! Women should be seen, not heard. Women are here to look nice, be sexually available whenever the man desires and should produce and raise children. They are basically property that the man should look after. If she has her own mind and desires to contribute to society with her intellect and hard work, she is not a real woman and any man who truly loves and respects her isn't a real man...they're basically salivating over the dark ages…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 06:53 PM
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Thank you. I would say for stating the obvious, but apparently not. Its the obvious feminist propaganda, sure. Completely misunderstanding how things are and framing everything in a woman are victims perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 06:48 PM
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It is stressful. You do it because you can and want to, not because it's easy. Alphas don't choose the easy life.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 06:46 PM
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Lol right!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 06:46 PM
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I wear red lipstick when I go out. That's about as fuck me as I can go. As for clothing, I've been trying to pick tops with exposed shoulders like this. (Ignore the lack of makeup in that picture.) Cool, you like to keep it classy. Chokers are incredibly sexual too. I like hipsters, but there aren't really any in Wisconsin, so that'll have to wait until I move to Austin or Seattle. What do you like about hipsters? Haha yes, tons of hipsters in the mentioned cities.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 06:45 PM
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What? She doesn't have a beautiful face, doesn't act move or speak femininely, doesn't have curves.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 06:35 PM
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Pratt is a great case study for steroids.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 06:34 PM
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Average woman is overweight or obese today. Watson is an HB6. That's a pretty accurate average man. How pathetic.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 06:34 PM
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Of course they care. Ruling the blind masses is their game. We will have to agree to disagree here. I don't think most individuals care, the reap the rewards of being born into a higher caste, they are too busy enjoying life to be actively oppressing others. I mean sure, the ones just having fun don't care, but that's not really high status man behavior to me. The rest are the influential and important ones. Perhaps, but I'm not overly invested in this particular topic and if greater minds than …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 06:32 PM
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That's like saying a person has more control than a corporation, that argument doesn't really work, does it? Corporations control supply, prices, and demand (with ads). There's a reason why consumers, even though they should theoretically have power, don't, because people are sheep. If a corporation wants my labor and I don't want to work for a corporation, what power does the corporation have over me? If I want to buy something from a local shop, what power does the corporation have over me? Mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 06:25 PM
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Even though most people were oppressed patriarchal structures put women in an even more oppressed position. Peasants were oppressed by lords, but wifes were oppressed by their husbands. Plus only men could become the head of the house and his first born son would inherit his wealth. Society was structured to keep as much power as possible in the hands of men and women were considered naturally inferior to them; in fact they were seen as defective in comparison to men. Why? Because it promoted th…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 06:18 PM
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It's wasn't any group specifically I think. I don't think some fancy men in big houses really cared what the individuals below them did. I guess a good argument could be made for capitalists or government or religions, but that's getting more in depth than I would care for. Of course they care. Ruling the blind masses is their game. Avoiding that depth avoids seeing the root of the picture. Men are 'oppressed' by society because they need to be, men live to serve society, when this stops, societ…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 06:08 PM
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I mean yeah, but it's literally the only thing men get. The right to work, which usually means the right to effectively slave for a society.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 06:05 PM
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Outside of America, feminism focuses on far more than how America is/was.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 06:05 PM
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They are in control of who they pursue and then commit to. How do you proposition men choose between women interested in them? How do you believe men avoid falling in love with women after they've committed to a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 06:03 PM
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If I go to a car dealership with no intention to buy a car, how do they hold power over me? I removed their main power channel in that way
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 06:00 PM
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Yet you can't do much noteworthy from the sidelines...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 05:59 PM
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You are correct, most men were/are pretty heavily oppressed by society. Ways in which men traditionally oppressed women: 1) Household hierarchy. Although a lot of shit about a person's life is dictated by his ruler and his boss, the people at home are also pretty influential. If the household is set up so that men have nearly unlimited power over women, then men's daily experience will be of ruling the home and women's daily experience will be of subjugation to their husbands. A lot of men don't…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 05:58 PM
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You'd rather be the hunted over the hunter?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 05:51 PM
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Right, they can't be, outside of not wanting his commitment to begin with, which makes it her choice instead of his. But that's basically irrelevant isn't it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 05:50 PM
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Are you incapable of putting yourself in the shoes of someone else? How do you figure out someone else's perspective?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 05:49 PM
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That is a lot of it yes, women want masculine men, not men who choose their gender traits based on their feels. Women don't give a shit about if he decided to be effeminate or not. It's unattractive to most women either way, women do not want a man that's less masculine than them. They'll settle for one however while looking for a more masculine man.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 05:46 PM
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Women don't exactly want to be told to act on a whole, and typical feminine advice is known in general I think. Most women don't have problems getting men regardless of their femininity or masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 05:44 PM
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How is 3-5 months a lengthy relationship? What benefit do women have from going for casual relationships? Seems like they get less resources and other stuff in exchange for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 05:43 PM
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By deciding if they want commitment at all or not in the first place. But that seems to be irrelevant really that women not looking for commitment don't want it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 05:42 PM
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Aren't you a dude?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 04:22 PM
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Idk, female lions have the largest burden.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 04:21 PM
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Not if it wants its pick of gazelle. Alpha vs Beta life lol, Be the fastest Lion vs Get the slowest Gazelle.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 04:20 PM
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I think its theoretical. Despite everyone being oppressed by kings and religion, an average man still had a chance to rise above his station through self determination, as opposed to a woman whose life was largely decided for her. Only to a point, most men that were not born into the ruling class had no way of getting there. A woman's ability to move ahead was hinged on her marriage prospects and procreative abilities, whereas a man could technically strike out and earn his advancement no matter…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 04:17 PM
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Lately? Like 20%. I got a professional makeover at Sephora and that helped me out a lot for makeup. My hair is honestly lucious enough as it is. Seems reasonable. If you don't already do something that stands out as uniquely you, that may help. Peacocking of sorts, but definitely a place where less is more. I dress cute as far as fashion goes, but I think I need to wear clothes that are tighter than I've been wearing. Apparently flowy dresses are cute but don't get you anywhere. Yeah they have a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 04:13 PM
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It's more acceptable for men to approach, that's a huge one already. Why is that a huge advantage? It's also a disadvantage for both sides. More neutral to me than anything. Aging doesn't have that bad of an effect on men compared to women. For sure, fat doesn't stand up to time as well so women get saggy the way men don't more quickly.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 03:58 PM
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Listen and think?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 03:56 PM
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Pretty reasonable hierarchy. Only catch is the hot girls tend to have meh logic so figuring out how to win is less easy. I'd probably put Hot Men over Hot Girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 03:55 PM
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Women have it harder than me specifically. Compared to men on average, it's probably harder for the average woman in a sense. However, this reality is part of why the average women invests a lot of time into being able to attract a man and get his commitment, they don't have the luxury not to if they want to maximize their hypergamy as they should.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 03:53 PM
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The same problems?? I can't see how you feel that way. Men don't worry about commitment really for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 03:52 PM
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Because men ran and continue to run shit. Not me or you though, we're not those men. A lot of guys on here think that they're Atlas holding the world up, but truth is most of are just more weight on his shoulders. You're not going to be Atlas by being born with a penis. Maybe one day I'll be one of those guys who runs shit, maybe you will be too, but my penis doesn't entitle me to that. Having a penis doesn't entitle a man to anything but being able to work. Yet its hard to say women were oppres…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 03:51 PM
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Who in society was doing the oppression then? The ruling class? Men are 'oppressed' by society because they need to be, men live to serve society, when this stops, society stops. Can't have alphas running around killing and fucking for fun lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 03:48 PM
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Do you spend much time upping your hair, make up, fashion skills?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 03:46 PM
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Rp men accept that men and women are different based on biology, have inequal attraction requirements and behaviors. As in, men and women think and act differently and have different pros and cons.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 03:43 PM
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This shouldn't be a CMV as we can't change this biological tautology. Men and women play different games. Women go for the top men, that's harder in its own way, having 100% of women compete for 20% of men. Men go for women that are beautiful enough for them and have a personality they like, that's harder for men to get a chance, but sooo many more women to choose from, especially as the man increases his value.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 03:42 PM
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What advantages do men get?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 03:39 PM
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I'm sorry, but what is the biological advantages women have from birth? Women by virtue of being women are valued for sex, being able to carry a child, and their beauty, men have no comparable value based on being men. Since now, women are able to use their entire biological toolbox on top of mens. But, due to womens fucked up biology and standards, men cant do the same. Care to elaborate? This statement alone is as vague as a horoscope. The issue comes down to men being attracted to fit women n…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 03:38 PM
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It seems so shallow to focus on the attractiveness of a person. Of course it matters. A lot. But first of all, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. We cannot make generalised statements based on attractiveness, since it's not an objective matter. Golden ratio for shoulder to waist for men and hip to waist for women, it is not simply random, it is massively biological. Second of all, looks means so little when a real relation has developed. The challenges of understanding another person, and fin…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 03:32 PM
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This is quite misleading, basic bp position. Looks matter immensely on both sides. If a man isn't at least some certain threshold of attractiveness, women will not give him a chance at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 03:30 PM
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They don't all get bored. Sometimes it's the man's lack of creativity too. Part of his job is to figure out how to play with his woman in the way she likes to play.
/r/TheRedPill24/04/17 06:17 AM
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Try again... He's talking about caring
/r/TheRedPill24/04/17 06:13 AM
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It's not BP, but it's not correct either. Beauty is a bar that must be passed, but after that behavior is the difference between a high and low status man.
/r/TheRedPill24/04/17 06:11 AM
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You ever seen Mexican news? All the women wearing cocktail dresses with regular interruptions for mini dance parties.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 04:13 AM
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Doesn't sound like anything some comfort can't make up for.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 04:11 AM
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I get what you mean, but it's not that cut and dry. I'd rather have a smaller but more efficient workforce than simply trying to get everyone to work as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 12:48 AM
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Higher value women tend to value their beauty more and wear makeup more often and regularly. Do you disagree?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 12:47 AM
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Is intimidating and scary a deal breaker? Or just not typically preferred?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 12:46 AM
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Men who were alphas at 16 are what they call natural alphas.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 12:27 AM
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They tend to be lower value and easier to control.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 12:26 AM
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bro you need to stop this ''men are better at everything'' thing. I mean, the best photographers are men, the best artists are men, even the best fashion designers are men. Men can know what beauty is better than women. If men are so great why aren't most guys giving each other's blowjobs instead of pursuing chicks? I'm sure you can answer that lol. Being gay would be so much easier in ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 12:25 AM
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Well yeah, we don't just bend over as readily. You're supposed to let women take advantage of you, not fight back however you must.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/17 12:01 AM
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My arguments stand... Who are the best professional photographers? Men. And yes plenty of women are arched attached to their phones, that doesn't mean men that are also attached to their phones and take as many selfies can't be as good or better than women at taking selfies.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 11:59 PM
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Yet that removes the romantic element doesn't it? I appreciate your response, BTW, it is true for how it basically is...
/r/TheRedPill23/04/17 05:22 AM
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Because he will feel that everything that he did will be for nothing, if I am not attracted to him. I don't know why you feel that way. Even my worst relationships had great moments and times regardless of them falling apart. That is why I purposely make myself unapproachable to people in the first place. To save him from heartbreak, but most importantly, to spare myself from the trouble of dealing with people's broken heart. You can say that I am selfish that way. I would say you're scared, whi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 04:55 AM
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How did you accept that women never truly care about you and are not capable of it?
/r/TheRedPill23/04/17 04:52 AM
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Why do you feel there will be resentment?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 04:40 AM
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Gotta get the years worth of anger out somehow
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 04:38 AM
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Lol, what gave you that impression?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 04:24 AM
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Are the best photographers men or women? Women on average take more pictures and care more about their pictures and so take better selfies, but if a man wanted to he could be as good if not better.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 03:24 AM
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Yet your OP seems to be expecting otherwise?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 02:52 AM
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I also don't want him to give me more than I give him. That will only create a resentment if the relationship fails. What creates a balance of sorts is you offering him sexual satisfaction. That's what he gets for taking on more of your needs than you otherwise take on for him. It's when he doesn't get the sexual part that resentment gets created. And I personally hate owing someone outside my family a favor. That's the least I can do to lift up the burden. In some way, your SO would become part…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 02:49 AM
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I respect superiority basically. Why? Just do really. What do you respect? I assume you're male.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 01:18 AM
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Only real socialists have Benzs
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 01:16 AM
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Being emotional is not exclusive to women. A women who are independent would not need money from men anyway. No woman stays with a man that's more emotional than her however. Money is less of an issue than support for whatever else she needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 12:18 AM
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You're missing her point. Women will always complain about their personal solipsistic feelings regardless of everyone and everything else and whatever amount of logic you expect.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/17 12:16 AM
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Because sometimes she will still be emotional and still wants what most women want from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 11:40 PM
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How does a woman achieve happiness in our society without a husband and kids?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 11:39 PM
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Stoic women are masculinized. They still are AWALT regardless too.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 11:28 PM
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People skills too. What else are women better at than masculine men?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 11:28 PM
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Hmm, okay, that's quite interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 11:27 PM
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Dating multiple women at once until you find one you genuinely want to commit to when you're ready is a sound plan.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 09:11 PM
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Happiness doesn't exist outside of the context of a society and the society's definition of happiness. Our American society says to define what makes you happy, individualizes it, and so you have how you feel.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 09:10 PM
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What feminism fundamentally fails to acknowledge is that men and women have very different needs and requirements for happiness. They expect everyone to be happy with what they think makes women happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 09:09 PM
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When you mutually put each other first. The man puts his wife's needs and happiness above his own, and the women puts her husband's needs and happiness above her own. This is completely nonsensical.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 09:07 PM
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You have the most clever strawmans
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 09:06 PM
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You could find a man more masculine than you...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 09:05 PM
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Men and women define the word respect very differently. Men respect women's beauty and mothering ability at most.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 08:57 PM
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Whining indicates being more needy than she is which is gross
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 08:55 PM
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Omfg. You're a dude? You hate feminists? Yet you are a giant feminist and expect women to act like men???? Mind->Blown
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 08:52 PM
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Tldr women share a common nature and are less different than one another compared to men
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 08:50 PM
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There's a reason a man is to serve as a rock for a woman's emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 08:48 PM
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Narcissistic Personality Disorder is more common in women but more men are actual Narcissists. Narcissus was a man in the myth too.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 08:46 PM
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Most women find mass monsters gross which is where I usually here such a sentiment. Also muscles are not comfy lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 03:59 PM
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Idk, actual narcissism needs a strong ego, which women usually lack. Women are narcissistic, but not usually actually narcissists.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 03:58 PM
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Doubletalk is one of women's greatest strengths...
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 03:56 PM
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Is it possible that you notice this more with women because you tend to assume women are offended/hurt/taking things personally when they really aren't? I don't assume it if it's not shown. This happens to me all the time on this sub. I will write a comment in what is (from my perspective) an even, unaffected tone, and be accused of being "triggered" or otherwise deeply upset/offended. I am not taking things personally, I am just having a conversation, but the other party assumes I am taking it …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 03:55 PM
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Because oftentimes generalizations are not good for dating because they are basically a way of saying "I don't care to know what you are like, I just care about what all women like" which is useless for dating since people don't date most women. That's a strange way to look at it. Generalizations are a starting point and give initial expectations. Figuring out a person and their own individuality is still desired and a lot of the fun of getting to know people. Think about it this way. If you are…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 03:51 PM
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Fundamentally, it helps women look out for themselves and get things for their benefit, help control their image for their benefit. Pity and guilt are two of women's favorite tools.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 03:45 PM
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That women really can't understand a position that their feelings completely disagree with. Like I generally knew that, but, now I really know it. Some part of me hoped that if someone knew me well enough and had enough people knowledge and understanding that they could understand a position opposite to theirs. Nah. At best she can know how I feel about it, but not really get why because it's such an alien position basically. Which this probably isn't the best example, but it's on my mind so,
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 12:09 AM
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Right, so you can't both want women to be somewhat rational and want them to be feminine. I'd say being rational should be something we all strive for. But I guess, I'd say stoicism is more masculine than just being rational. It's within the nature of all humans to be rational. Or at least, the more rational lot we are, the more we are able to build. Well you can, but she needs to be more feminine to balance the masculine part. Hence, my SO is hyperfeminine, which allows her to be feminine overa…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 12:04 AM
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That would imply if no high t men existed women would be sexually attracted to their top betas.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 12:01 AM
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That's certainly more masculine than less. However, she can still be even more feminine than masculine and so is feminine overall. Logic, pain tolerance, hating whining, problem solved, self reliant as possible, all masculine development.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/17 12:00 AM
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What sort of music do you love? I think as I valued feminine irrationality more I began to appreciate poetry more. I subscribe to the poetry subreddit lol, which is weird to me still. But I love lots of metal lyrics.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 11:55 PM
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You asked him to flip the script. Not much of a stretch. Women do act like anti-feminists deserve to be socially ruined. AWALT, lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 11:54 PM
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Women don't want to be valued for their irrationality, manipulative people skills, beauty, or mothering ability. So what's left?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 11:52 PM
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Set Consumes thinks the womenz are good for reproduction, can occasionally function as serviceable worshipers of men, masculinity, and may darn socks when called upon while smiling and assuming a nymph like appearance buffeted by the serenity of inner peace that comes from basking in the superior sunlight cast by masculine men doing masculine man things, what could be more positive than that? a splendid tribute
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 11:47 PM
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Male and female solipsism are different in style.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 11:41 PM
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It's his answer as if he was a woman
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 11:39 PM
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Yup, that'd do it. Hardening the women, developing their masculinity, promoting masculine drives. Not very nice really but, it can make a great woman if it doesn't fuck her up.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 11:37 PM
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You don't think the masculine energy would be at least somewhat universally sexually attractive? Certainly it'd be better than a man that's like a typical low test man?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 11:34 PM
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An idea of why women are like this, Women are people focused. People focus revolves around language and emotional understanding. This makes women pay attention to how words make them feel and how others make them feel. Women do not typically grow up doing competitive things where they learn to not feel bad from criticism. Women typically must use effort to ignore their negative feelings and act otherwise, typically they will react to their negative feelings and defend themselves by attacking wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 11:25 PM
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How can you argue from good faith if your position is that of nothing and you do not care to build some ideas of something? But okay, sure, nothing wrong with doing the same thing again and again and expecting a different result :) Women are people focused. People focus revolves around language and emotional understanding. This makes women pay attention to how words make them feel and how others make them feel. Women do not typically grow up doing competitive things where they learn to not feel …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 11:24 PM
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Lol right, cause if you let that go unchecked, next thing you know you're being rounded up.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 10:59 PM
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You think there are no corps that more align with their statements that won't also give a positive yield? Please.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 10:57 PM
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I get what you're saying, but there will be times when it bites you in the ass. I believe that figuring out how to master/control my emotions have helped me greatly, but I can see how being too logical can be an issue for attraction. Thankfully, you can still balance both quite well I think. I think that irrationality is a blanket term for several behaviors you're describing, such as being silly or being cute. Women are well aware that being silly, cute, and funny creates attraction and bond bet…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 10:50 PM
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Holy shit I grew a vagina! The only Disney move I can't stomach is Frozen. Finding Nemo, Ratatouille are some of my favorites.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 10:32 PM
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I wish steroids existed.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 10:31 PM
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How can you hate his beautiful tan?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 10:29 PM
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Floating somewhere off by myself. I generally favor fascism and military based governments, I don't care about civil rights, whatever makes the masses stfu and sit down is good. Feeling based societies are pointless, progress and achievement based societies are good.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 10:29 PM
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Not really, I never assume someone is stupid.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 10:22 PM
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Lol, suffer from irrationality. But you see, I love the silliness. A woman that's not irrational or able to be irrational is incredibly masculine and not feminine. My SO is highly irrational, with a developed rational side, but being rational requires effort for her, and when emotions get too high, rationality exits the building too. It can't get much better without dating a woman that mostly acts like a man, which I wouldn't find attractive. I know women like that, even if they're interesting, …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 10:21 PM
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That's my point. Most people are not abnormal. Doesn't mean you can't learn from edge cases and the abnormal in ways that apply to normal people. Normal people will do the same things, just less extreme and unbalanced. Again, for most people that's not natural. If anything, hf and hm might be an obsession with appearing masculine/feminine rather than a manifestation of a truly male/female nature. Not obsession. At least not direct obsession. Men that have obsessions with death for example don't …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 10:14 PM
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The difference is I genuinely care to understand the person I'm talking to, even if I come across as condescending at times.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 10:05 PM
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Right... It's only effeminate men that can't handle masculine shaming. Feminism hijacks their weakness for their cause.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 10:04 PM
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Says it cares about one thing, funds something that actively goes against that...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 10:03 PM
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Aristotle. Yay...virtue... Not much better than being a Buddhist. I will give you credit. His attacks on Christianity were damn good. Yup, OGM and TSZ are excellent in general. I think Kant went wrong trying to universalize everything. The principles of logic and of reality can be made universal because they're utterly lacking in subjectivity. Ethics can be made universal across individuals, but it's still context dependent. Yes, but that was what he was hoping to succeed at doing too. He kind o…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 10:02 PM
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Hmm okay. I suppose if integrity isn't a concern. That's just one angle on Gates too, but if you care you'll research more yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 09:50 PM
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She's asking me a personal question lol. Yes, it's her typical MO.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 09:48 PM
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Hormones shape your brain, which changes your thoughts, beliefs, conditioning.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 09:44 PM
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Why would you want power over anything else other than your own life and your own personal goals? If they offered me the job of POTUS tomorrow, I'd say "fuck no, come back to me when there is literally no one else who could do it." The perks of being an elite, being able to accomplish bigger goals, impact the world more significantly. I'd consider POTUS. If Trump can do it, I can do it. Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 09:41 PM
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More like, women will defend themselves against a statement as if it was attacking them directly when it wasn't. When men personalize things, they're not defending themselves, just showing how they're different usually.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 09:36 PM
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Would you say that the reason you're probably more red now than ever is because by interacting and dating women , red views have been confirmed? Of course. Have any not been confirmed? Or even contradicted? Nope. But everything in rp is pretty much interrelated or building off each other so it's not really a surprise. What's probably most interesting for me is when something is unexpectedly confirmed. Sometimes it's nice, sometimes it's not. Usually not.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 09:34 PM
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She may as well ask me, 'Are you a fucking idiot?'
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 09:30 PM
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Down and down the hole we go
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 09:28 PM
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What if everyone was high test and buff?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 09:26 PM
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Nietzsche was an immature edgelord and Who else showed how to defeat nihilism before him? Unraveled morality the way he did? Kant was a hack. His attempts to reconcile rationalism and empiricism resulted in an incoherent philosophy that nullified both knowledge and reason. Kant had problems with his philosophy, but to say none of it makes sense, that you can't find any good points or thought experiments or ideas is just weird. And the school of thought that followed him, 19th Century German Idea…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 09:25 PM
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Of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 09:22 PM
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What is an equivalent of Kingpin or President that can be achieved without relying on others?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 09:21 PM
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Lolol I guess you think he's a good person still :)
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 09:20 PM
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A woman can't be aroused without being sexually attracted? Romantic attraction would be there. Does this not exist for men? Maybeish to some degree? But men and women do not value and care about each other's beauty equally at all, do not value the emotional connection and intimacy equally at all. Was this meant to be an insult? Not at all. 'Alpha women' are basically women that are highly masculine in ways and typically have higher than average testosterone levels too.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 09:19 PM
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It explains why you understand language so well, walk this line of highly feminine yet often times masculine sounding still while other times totally not.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 09:15 PM
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The answer for me then, is to be of any aid I can within reason and without strings attached so that others have a better chance of achieving their goals. This leads to a natural extreme of be a monk and serve the needy. Why help others without expecting anything in return?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 09:14 PM
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So does viagra and porn and fantasy all available for men who cannot get an erection. Why is his arousal mandatory and hers is not. A woman can't be aroused without being sexually attracted? Romantic attraction would be there. Why you gotta shame so much girl I am surrounded by men far superior to RPers and they have spoiled me. What do you call an Alpha widow minus the widow part?? A man.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 09:12 PM
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Is a society possible where all men could elicit such sexual attraction from women?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 09:10 PM
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What about lyrics of music? Do anything for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 09:08 PM
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Lol Kant was a hack? Disagree with him fine, but a hack, no. I don't know why anyone needs Rand when they have Nietzsche or any other individual focused philosophies.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 09:04 PM
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Better answer is make new and harder goals for yourself. There is an infinite sea of weak masses that will cry for your help and take every moment of your time and every gram of resources you offer. Idk if you've ever been to a developing country. Literally, endless sea of needy. And then at what point do you stop? What justifies an ounce of excess over giving then?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 09:02 PM
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Yet what much can you build without relying on anyone to follow you, or following someone else?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 09:00 PM
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Gross dude. Rand is feminine idealism, and of course she thinks it's objective. LOL. Refusing power over others? Weak.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 08:55 PM
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Didn't realize you read a lot. Makes soo much sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 08:53 PM
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Yeah, if only you could read your way out of solipsism.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 08:49 PM
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Those sort of people shouldn't have graduated high school.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 08:46 PM
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Are all successful in work men high betas to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 08:44 PM
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Sad bad true. A betafied alpha can become alpha feeling and acting again. A beta can emulate alpha mentality, but he'll never fully feel or act like an alpha.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 08:43 PM
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Women don't have 100% control over their vaginal lubrication and sex while not arroused= painful. Try again. Lube exists. Don't be a shitty male partner. Lol. I don't hate men... or at least #notallmen Yeah, that's the worst part, you're blind to your misandry. Why you gotta shame so much girl
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 08:37 PM
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Right, they don't get their sexuality turned on, amped up, and promoted as the greatest experience in existence(slight exaggeration, but not really). And they've had their sexuality repressed on top of that. Obviously if you free women's sexuality they're going to demand their sexual desires be met, and when it's promoted so highly and focused on, as sex is the primary way women feel like women these days, women are going to value sex and sexual attraction a lot more.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 08:36 PM
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It's actually not convenient at all. Rather have 100% control over my cock and fuck who and what I want when I want. But life is not so kind. But you hate that men are men so, your position isn't really a surprise.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 08:33 PM
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"Lol nah"? Really? Commenters aren't "defending womankind" they are arguing against his generalization. Yeah, arguing against the generalization is defending women here, and the generalization is saying that women will argue to defend women. So I see what you're saying, but I don't think he expected this to happen per se. And if he did, that was cunning. And you merely said "that's not what I was thinking about." Your Team Man proclivities stopped you from saying that you actually think women ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 08:32 PM
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/facepalm
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 08:29 PM
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Women don't have to be able to have and maintain erections.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 08:28 PM
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Yes. Like, very difficult to override this and be okay with yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 08:27 PM
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I suppose it depends on the setting. But I love crazy eye makeup in general. Muslim girls are the best at eye makeup, for obvious reasons. Natural colors look classier, fun colors look younger and are more flirty.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 08:26 PM
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Women are more satisfied by kids and family than sexual attraction to their man in the long run. Not that some women don't regret kids too.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 08:24 PM
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Love built over time is exactly what was expected. I hear that shit when people talk about arranged marriages, she comes to love her husband over time, romantic attraction from the get go is not needed. But this isn't a guarantee. And besides that, what man here wants to wife up a woman who "grows to be sexually attracted to him." That sounds like the opposite of what men here want. Well, yeah, you're talking to a bunch of feminist men. Being valued for your own beauty is a being valued in a fem…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 08:23 PM
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So he crafted a manipulative statement in which simply disagreeing with him seems to prove him right. Lol nah. It just happened to end up that way. His point is true and valid and the nuance again between men and women is interesting. I pointed out that he contradicted you, something I don't think you addressed. I did https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/66q3n1/q4men_have_you_noticed_that_women_tend_to_take/dgkjfpw
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/17 08:19 PM
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