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What I'm amused by is you continuing to lie and distort what has been said like two or three lines up.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 11:05 PM
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No doubt that you just said more shit I didn't say and replied to it and passed it off as something other than schizo fantasy. No doubt. We all win in seeing things for what they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 10:54 PM
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Men get away with rape all the time in the current culture so you really don't know what you're talking about. Like, you can make shit up and pretend I said things I didn't say all you want...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 10:27 PM
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Lol of course a woman would bluff like this https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-02901-1 OP gives 100 years. It's definitely happening by then. Everything else is accurate. Societies that are more polygnous i.e. female hypergamy unconstrained creating massive inequity in male mating outcomes, have much higher incidences of rape and violence. All the women snicker snorting about state mandated gfs do miss the point. If this continues a lot of women won't be forced by the government to have …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 09:53 PM
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Lol the pendulum will have swung back by then. If a critical mass of young disenfranchised men develops, men will be listened to. Why? Because young single men with no purpose tend to rape and terrorize.. If an artificial womb develops female value drops precipitously and women will likely have to experience a life where they are actually socially on par with men. Because the few women who have undergone makeovers to try their hand at dating women as men ended up suffering mental breakdowns....y…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/24 06:44 PM
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So you're off to a great start by equivocating the connotation of replace with merely "break up," when we both know that wasn't your original meaning. But even in the context of unmarried couples, women more often are the ones to end it: https://today.yougov.com/society/articles/12518-breaking?redirect_from=%2Fnews%2F2015%2F06%2F09%2Fbreaking%2F However, because you didn't simply mean break up, you meant replace, which is more akin to Leo dumping a woman as soon as she turns 25 rather than stick…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/24 12:33 AM
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Your stated opinions so far are enforcing traditional masculinity via "whiny men" and refusing to accept human suffering as even existing in the romantic sphere for men. So more or less reality denial. I'm saying that repeated social rejection especially romantic rejection damages mental health outcomes and can lead to mental illness, since you have trouble articulating other perspectives. For whatever reason you have a tendency to reduce them to incorrect sound bytes :) Yes your continued refus…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 11:10 PM
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Idk your experience at face value seems pretty outlier. Unless your status in these groups is low somehow
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 11:03 PM
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More dishonesty. The ability to even replace women is a privilege afforded to a relatively small percentage of men, whereas most women exercise the same privilege and the vast majority of men do not because they cannot
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 11:01 PM
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Reading the DSM V doesn't qualify you to issue any recommendations based on it. Do you think reading the Merck manual makes you a doctor as well? Prove that consistently being devalued on a score that affects the meeting of human needs can cause mental illness? You must have a pretty bad understanding of the term to seriously contend that sustained environmental stressors can't lead to mental illness. And again, how would you know if a man's depressed or the cause of said depression? Moreover ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 10:55 PM
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I mean interaction != getting laid. I think a lot of people are misled by what is essentially men tap dancing for female attention. Without knowing more about you I can't diagnose the difference in perception here. For example what's your main method of meeting new women?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 10:50 PM
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You're not holding their hands through all those interactions You likely have standards focusing on cute thin white women who are under 30. Your definition of not easy likely is not informed by what more normal men deal with
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 10:32 PM
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Then we agree on what matters: in THIS context it's ridiculous bullshit
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 09:36 PM
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That's a lot of words to assume you are qualified to offer any kind of mental health diagnosis when you ARE NOT. And a lot of words to AVOID the main point. Come back when you learn how to discuss like an adult and not a charlatan attempting to practice medicine without a license and avoiding the points presented to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 08:42 PM
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So you lie about handwaving while handwaving. Maybe you can't read, that's ok! Overall, the largest and most consistent evaluative bias was pro-women/anti-men bias, followed by smaller but nonetheless consistent pro-upper-class/anti-lower-class biases. By contrast, we observed less consistent effects of targets’ race, no effects of targets’ age, and no consistent interactions between target-level categories. I understand that the existence of a bias stronger than racial and class biases to you s…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 08:34 PM
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Most women can't give advice for the reasons mentioned and most men are useful idiots, see eg. this very thread, who will repeat all the standard status quo maxims (1) to boost their own imagined status and (2) unknowingly enforce the status quo. So it doesn't matter. Women don't know how superficial they are, most men are desperate to enforce the current hierarchy to preserve the scraps they get under it. Perfect ideological storm of gaslighty bullshit :)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 08:31 PM
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So basically you have never had the experience and believe you have something to offer in guidance. PRETTY STANDARD modern female thinking...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 08:29 PM
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Nope. https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2022-61496-001?doi=1 On this score blue pillers are WRONG. There definitely is a widespread social bias against men. Nothing ideological about it. These blue pill bigots are just engaged in aggressive, mean-spirited reality denial.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 08:26 PM
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^ another non sociologist non-psychiatric MD opining on what emotions people should feel in response to situations they've never experienced. B I G O T R Y Dehumanization. Invalidation. Who knew the blue pill was so hateful? Hahaha just kidding most of us already knew.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 08:25 PM
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It's insane how they cannot realize how profoundly bigoted and hateful they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 08:23 PM
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Not being able to find romantic companionship or feel desired and validated in a crucial aspect of life can't cause mental illness? "Real mental illness?" Do you think you have any grasp on what that is? Unless you have an MD I'll clue you in: you don't. And if you're recommending people see a therapist for the issue, then silly goose you are tacitly admitting that it indeed can be the cause of mental illness. Therapists aren't dating coaches, in case you didn't know, they're there to help with …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 08:22 PM
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Are you arguing that widespread misandry isn't present in society or something? https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2022-61496-001?doi=1 I know, you will handwave this away and hey, good for you. No conspiracy is needed though, there's empirical evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 08:18 PM
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You didn't fix anything you just shoehorned in nonsense and distorted what he said.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 08:16 PM
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If you don't have a psyciatric MD you have no business or ability to diagnose mental illness. When did all women suddenly become mental health experts and diagnosticians?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 08:15 PM
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The issue here is that women are incapable of understanding and recognizing how superficial their assessments and judgments of men romantically are. Which makes their advice worthless.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 08:13 PM
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Recommending someone who has an experience of the world different than your own to "get therapy," is sound advice? Unless you also have a psychiatric MD, there is no way the above is true. You aren't qualified to assess (based on lines of text no less!) that anyone has some fairly alarming psych issue. More examples of how bigoted modern women have become
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 08:12 PM
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By stating a human experience that differs from your own, "you are coming across as an unstable person." ​ ^ this is naked bigotry. Very instructive for people who want to examine modern 'enlightened' thought processes.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 08:09 PM
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This is the kind of response that is nonsensical. It boils down to: "please do not burden others with your human experience if you are [member of group not allowed to do that]"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 08:08 PM
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Most people 'don't know' because almost everyone has trouble accepting how superficial and vapid dating is. and worse still, how people are mostly just ruthlessly enforcing all of the worst social hierarchies (think ones gained from fairly recent oppression and subjugation) in those choices above all else.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 08:07 PM
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Do you treat women who you think are very hot differently than women you think are meh? That differently
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 05:05 AM
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I mean, I've always had a fairly easy time with women. However... I can tell you right now there are huge misconceptions. First, in normal life (unless you skyrocket to hundreds millions $$) your looks, race, and height are all. And really, unless you're capable at least of being in the top 5% facially, you shouldn't even care much about facial appearance as a guy (because that's when the returns to facial attractiveness start happening). Race and height dominate everything. Second, if you are t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 12:53 AM
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That's cool. You obviously aren't actively dating/courting/or hooking up with women in their early, mid...shit any woman, especially white woman, in their 20's. the delusion cannot be comprehended. Western men who have a good, stable job and take good care of themselves have plenty of options to date women in their prime. Bumble premium, set your location anywhere lmfao so false. where to begin...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 12:47 AM
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It'd be okay if women didn't treat men who they deemed "not top tier" sexually differently. But that's not where we live
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/24 12:44 AM
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People who whine about real connections while making decisions on who to sleep with in timescales less than roughly half a year are simply ignorant of how attraction works. 100% = looks + variance. Anything a woman says about you other than yes is no and will likely always be a no so just go lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/24 07:37 AM
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He was a father but he became a father very young so I'm unsure if he looked like that at the time. But yeah sure man women just fuck guys because guitar and not the status certain men who have a guitar get.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/24 12:31 AM
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If it's presented as a solution to how everyone can get safe tap water then yes
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 09:48 AM
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Yeah no sick move of presuming failure due to critique. However let's graduate from middle school and actually discuss something
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 09:34 AM
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Not really. Just ones that aren't mathematically impossible and just make the problem worse. TRP just says further capitulate to female demands. Idk how it's a workable solution on any level.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 09:28 AM
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Yeah a solution that can't be used by all isn't a solution
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 09:24 AM
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Idk, if there's a big income differential such that he controls her lifestyle, she legit probably is into that. If it's the situation TRP REALLY means when they say 'BB,' where they are more or less similar SES and he just is subservient and puts up with her nonsense, that's not beta bucks, that's just someone she can boss around.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 08:54 AM
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Definitely untrue. There are a billion nerds who can play insane guitar and I can 100% assure you that women were never gathering round in awe to listen to Shawn Lane. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/avcyYNbs2VA/hqdefault.jpg But I'm sure Eddie Van Halen never had much of an issue... https://www.pinterest.com/pin/593490057122865004/
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 08:52 AM
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Are your friends non-white and these men are white? Are these men particularly tall?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 08:45 AM
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Charisma can further be boiled down into the halo effect. There is no real middle ground.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 08:44 AM
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Love, as in unconditional love, never existed between men and women. When women are young their hormones are high and so physical attraction is confused for every good adjective under the sun. That's all.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 08:43 AM
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The type of men a lot of women go after will do that, yes. And then those women will have to either "settle" for a man who actually values them or be single and just forever part of a harem.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 08:42 AM
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It's not really worth approaching a woman cold because IT CERTAINLY SEEMS like a woman's depiction of conversation as "spicy and fun" mainly depends on how hot she is for you, rather than the content of anything you say. Call me crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 08:41 AM
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If these are the only options (there is also the guy she is sexually excited by and wants to be around forever...)...then... ...HOOK UP GUY. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. It really does not matter what a woman's subjective perception of valuation is regarding each guy. The guy in the first position is power point. Why? Most women do NOT have that much to offer in a relationship beyond access to sex, and this fact is becoming more and more flaunted by the day. Being in their presence, according to many, i…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 08:40 AM
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TRP yes is a failure because it relies on 80% of men somehow leaping into the top 20% of men. It is an impossibility and not a workable solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 08:36 AM
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It doesn't take that long to learn to play an instrument at a reasonable level, and women give that shit way too much credit. If you can even kind of play a guitar, and you aren't completely hideous, you will get opportunities to talk to women. Not even close to accurate. If you can play guitar + look good AND/OR you gain status related to playing that guitar, then yes you will get those opportunities. Without the looks or the status NO ONE GIVES A SHIT.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 08:35 AM
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Said it before and I will say it again.... There is no such thing as a beta bucks. As in, $$$$ = always always always "alpha"/attractive --- as in, sexually. A man who has a lifestyle that can only come with cash assistance IS BETTER ABLE TO GET CASUAL SEX than an equally situated man who does not have that lifestyle. And the benefits snowball the higher up the $$$ scale you go. Fight me.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 08:33 AM
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Typically whichever one gets the complaining male to shutup :)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 08:31 AM
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there is no such thing as a shit test. there are simply women who disrespect you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 08:31 AM
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Yeah it's like women are super risk averse and are out of their element when giving advice on how to do something bold.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 08:30 AM
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You will someday realize that the only types of relationships that really make women salivate beneath the waist are power imbalanced relationships, which in turn makes the complaints about them worth a dead snicker.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/24 08:30 AM
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That isn't doxxing, so good you've made a true statement. The problem again is that retrieving information from a dating app (where the TOS either explicitly or implicitly have you agree to keep other member's content on the app and prohibit reproduction off the app) is not obtaining legally. That isn't protected speech. And that's before we get to the main purpose: posting in a private group for the purpose of eliciting negative and potentially very damaging allegations without any check for tr…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 02:41 AM
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Doxxing as legally defined is never 100 percent legal. Dating apps aren't public forums so the rest is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/24 02:04 AM
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Because men don't support one another in the way that women do. Some of that results from the fact that men experience much more disparate and variable dating outcomes as a group than women do. Some of that results from men who adopt a lot of the wokesplaining, namecalling, "get therapy" approach to "discussion" women do...in hopes of, I don't know, earning brownie points? So if a woman expresses some nonsensical viewpoint, she's guaranteed female + male support. Flip it, and the dude who expres…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/24 05:02 PM
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The app does care which is why sharing and reposting such info is a violation of many of their TOS. Yeah there's no privacy BEYOND THE CONTRACTUAL PRIVACY MEMBERS AGREE TO GIVE ONE ANOTHER OF COURSE And this bizarre claim the law wouldn't care about someone's likeness posted to a private forum for the purpose of an anything goes smearfest sans even an attempt to verify anything is to...well I said it already....misunderstand the law. Peruse doxxing laws peruse harassment laws peruse the many law…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 07:56 PM
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Now quote where I said this act constituted defamation aka the point. Once again dating apps are not public sites. Taking pictures and other information from those sites and reposting it indeed is what I say it is. Stop randomly quoting stuff you don't grasp. Do you understand that YOUR PICTURE along with other identifying info pulled FROM A DATING APP is not the same as looking something up in a public records repository? Edit: To crystallize it, this is taking a bundle of info about someone an…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 07:47 PM
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Not really. You choose who sees that info via all the various settings. It's also generally a violation of dating app tos to reproduce the content of other users in public forums. Guess the dating apps are too stupid to realize that their exclusive limited platform is somehow public eh?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 07:35 PM
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Reposting content from an app that is not public without permission is most certainly doxxing and a misuse of private info. No one said anything about defamation
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 07:32 PM
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Yeah dating apps aren't public sites and I'm unsure where that canard started.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 07:31 PM
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Doxxing and reproducing someone's private info, i.e. name with picture, isn't legal. Has nothing to do with defamation
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 07:15 PM
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You mean the defamation groups? Great, now you're forced to use all verified real information for them to unlawfully reproduce at will on their private message boards to dish (mostly make up) tea about you
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 07:05 PM
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idk when you make shit up about the general disposition of men I guess you can claim anything
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/24 07:09 AM
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The OP is a genius troll that makes a compelling case for the implied answer to its question. chef's kiss
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 09:21 AM
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Women don't accurately tell men about how to do anything. Men mostly still labor under the delusion that in 99% of all real life dating scenarios that their behavior makes any real difference. A much better and more accurate model for short-term dating is this: the second a woman lays eyes on you she mentally writes one word for her purposes with you --- fuck marry or kill. The largest factor in your control that plays a part in this decision are some facets of your appearance. The only way to g…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 09:02 AM
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Good old purple pill. SAMPLE SIZE: 1 VALUE: RELATIONSHIP TERMINATION DIS MAY MEEN SOMETHINGZ!!!!!1!!!1!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 06:40 AM
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....nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/24 06:28 AM
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Lol it's even worse than that. They've run tinder experiments with 67 year old grannies who had....loads and loads of matches --- and among them were many top tier Chad d00ds.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 10:45 PM
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What's crazy is men tying too much value to whatever feelings a woman has about them or anything else. Women can believe they are settling for you or anyone else and then 6 weeks later be madly in love with you or whoever else. I have witnessed the phenomenon. However any guy in the boyfriend or husband slot should have that as his default presumption. Not an irrebuttable one of course, but without knowing any other information, yes definitely that should be the presumption. https://images.app.g…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 07:02 AM
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LOL Complains about how difficult it is to put yourself out there and approach and the bullshit you have to deal with, then making up some shit about if a man is "GENUINELY" interested, he will do the same for you. Ha!
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 06:57 AM
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I mean, Ronaldo should more or less be the poster child (along with Tom Cruise) for the sheer power of plastic surgery tbh https://www.mcanhealth.com/wp-content/webp-express/webp-images/uploads/2021/08/Cristiano-Ronaldo-blog-before-after-min.jpg.webp
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 12:07 AM
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Not necessarily. My success with women started pretty early but it takes a long time and careful observation to slowly break free of a lot of the ideology surrounding dating. However, despite me being insanely analytical (which for whatever reason people always think means you understand social dynamics less...) I have always understood certain things. For instance, in middle school, before puberty really starting kicking in, before I luckboxed into an attractive masculine "final form," before t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/23 12:05 AM
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I believe that evolutionary psychology "explanations" of human behavior, so that the general public has an idea of how scientific these "explanations" are, should properly append its "explanations." All of them should start appropriately, with "once upon a time..."
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 10:38 PM
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Yes it's a choice but to think you're basing this choice off anything remotely resembling accurate non superficial characteristics is amusing. Also, "worth my time" is a pretty common game women play with men while dating. Tends to do nothing but devalue the other party.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 10:10 PM
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I've always preferred taking things on a human by human basis rather than That you believe you are capable of doing this is amusing. Why do you think this is though? Why, since birth, are we constantly being conditioned with a set of assumptions about others based on appearance and superficial conduct? Genuinely curious on the thought processes here from both sides Attraction and dating, though, when you peel away all that propaganda and belief, it is most definitely a choice, the majority of al…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 09:16 PM
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I agree. Women choosing abusive partners and then having the gall to complain really is pathetic behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 07:39 PM
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A woman choosing an abusive man = she deserves it! Shame on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 07:38 PM
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The fact that many women try to get sympathy points by starting abuse and rape statistics etc. honestly feels like a cheap attempt at self pity. We live in a culture that’s addicted to feeling sorry for themselves and everyone one needs a reason to say “hey look at poor me im so marginalised” Well said OP, women should shutup about being abused already! Real talk: what is the appeal of sadism? Do you enjoy it that much?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 07:07 PM
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The pills are mainly about this fantasy: the fantasy of being a woman. Notice how the alpha male and the Chad all are pretty receiving treatment that men give women, reversed. That's the heart of it. A desire to be women. Naturally the main way to get this treatment in real life is discouraged by the pills: MAKE A LOT OF MONEY.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 06:07 PM
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Yes, I'm well aware of reactionary "arguments" to new labels to describe people. They all follow the same format. "When did X become a thing? X is just normal part of attraction. X definitely doesn't deserve special status." The term sexual orientation itself seems to be shifting in meaning. "a person's sexual identity or self-identification as bisexual, straight, gay, pansexual, " Sexual identity refers to one's self-perception in terms of romantic or sexual attraction towards others,[1] though…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 06:00 PM
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Yes, sapiosexuals claim that intelligence is THE thing they are attracted to, which is why it is an orientation. And the difference is that orientations concern deep seated patterns and dynamics, rather than a quality or trait that when presented, can be attractive. No, the conversation as stated even without the added nuance of in person interaction has pretty obvious markers. Given your somewhat inapt handling of sapiosexuality as a term, methinks you may not be in a great position to assess s…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 04:26 AM
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There are many blindspots that the red/black pills have and this area or should I say arena is one of them. The trope of fast sex leading to casual sex situations being relations that always favor the man. These encounters are much more variable than the pills give them credit for. In the case of a dude casually smashing a chick. Sure, (1) she may give all these verbal indicators of ommmmmmg whr do u never respond....aka i want more and (2) may be willing to have him show up just to have sex at …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 03:32 AM
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The fantasy rape dystopia appears again! Along with the just world social marginalization! Tell her what she's won, Johnny! Ignoring, mischaracterizing, lying, and the marginalizing of people experiencing real human suffering. Feels right. Great job issuing your programmed responses.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/23 03:38 PM
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Gee I wonder why women have an easy time being single....hmmmmmm. likely because they aren't really alone. So much of this sub is women facing the equivalent of a bowling lane with bumpers and men playing the real lane with women constantly talking shit about how they can knock the pins.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/23 03:34 PM
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Allegedly, his best friend was a bit short, much less attractive, and was just really pushy every time they had been around one another. The other guy she said was kind of cute. She got really inebriated --- all of them allegedly got pretty hammered. The friend started being really aggressive again and she told him no, no, no, several times, but then relented and then the other guy joined in. That's her story...my likely reality is... The friend was likely slightly better than the main guy and h…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 07:59 PM
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Ah bro you gotta surf the bullshit wave to glide that crest and keep top of these chicks
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 06:45 PM
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Definitely not true. Asexual or demisexual I think are what you're looking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 06:39 PM
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Yeah but that's false for sure. The study shows that and my own experiences definitely show that. They like being dominated psychologically via manipulation that lets them know u know what makes them tick IMO
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 05:02 PM
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Definitely not what I'm talking about. "Banter" IMO when women say it more means a direct back and forth where women would be forced to verbally admit being less than so often ends with the man entertaining the woman past her actual competence
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 04:40 PM
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Yeah but often I find the humor that sapiosexuals love and find funny is just lightly pointing out interesting ways that they're being nonsense
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 04:36 PM
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I'm not at all. There's the stated definition of sapiosexuality. Then there's what sapiosexuals respond to. As we can see a study found 0 correlation between sapiosexuality and desiredness of objective male IQ
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 03:39 PM
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As described it's even worse: women thinking their pussies are capable of giving IQ assessments.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 03:09 PM
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The difference is that the emotionally based stuff and boundary pushing is more based on you demonstrating your general demeanor or attitude toward her. The mental stuff is based on something objective, like a specific thing that would bother her and the situation manipulated in a way to get a rise out of her and then let her come to that realization. So there's an actual competency there with gleaning information about her that, under the same circumstances, not many people would be able to and…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 02:37 PM
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I didn't mean to come off defensive. I'm mostly trying to differentiate between more emotionally based behaviors or boundary explorations and a display of mental dominance. For example, showing you are unafraid to disagree, playfully is different from picking something subtle that you know will cause someone to react a certain way for a certain likely reason, and then silently slowly communicating to them the situation to the point where you and they become aware of it. I'm not playing semantics…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 02:24 PM
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If there's one thing red pill definitely understands, it is doing less thinking 😎
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 02:16 PM
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Like for real I think it's so dumb and pointless that I just gotta pay attention and comment: a Hater's Journey, 201 pages
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 01:41 PM
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Except that isn't amused mastery. Amused mastery, like most shit test defense strategies, is the idea of responding to a woman being rude, bitchy, or mean by pretending to remain calm and amused by her bad behavior --- like most PUA advice, it's a form of simping. This example involved (1) me initiating a real game (2) her catching on to it (3) me interacting with her skillfully to allow her to step out of line and then let her in on the joke and then (4) us enjoying a win-win social exchange. F…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 01:24 PM
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Yeah to enjoy dealing with women you have to at least love them on some level, benevolent sexism and all.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 12:42 PM
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Hahaha, ohhhh I highly doubt I will ever get married. And I doubly doubt that if I get married that I will remain faithful.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 12:42 PM
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It's easy to stay positive when you have reference experiences. These days I'm teflon to any attempt from a woman to shame, reject, or otherwise even presume to judge me. Knowledge is power. Knowing yourself and your strengths in this game is key. Understanding that there are different strategies that you should be open to pursuing in different situations. I will just tell you what your answers to all these questions should be: Why is she even dating me? You offer her a benefit or several benefi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 08:35 AM
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Ah, a student grade appeal. It's always a difficult conversation with low graded papers, mostly due to inaccurate student expectations and evaluations of their own prowess. But my office hours are flexible, so let's dive in: So are you admitting your title does not accurately reflect your post? Right out the gate there are an incredible three errors. First, the main proposition of the OP and the title are consistent with one another. Second, attempting to evade the very correct charge of deconte…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 04:00 AM
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Also I think women like this are more likely to have to have you continue this power play dynamic even in the relationship itself. This can lead to manipulation and infidelity on occasion. The same is true of any trait in the context of the relationship. Once you stop meeting their needs then yes, that will lead to bad outcomes. Whether it’s apathetic or not is semantics. I’m just saying why waste time with someone who doesn’t reciprocate your energy? Why try to get in a relationship with someon…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 02:30 AM
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And after having painstakingly corrected the errors, you turn this in. We start off with the last refuge of debate scoundrels: ignoring all other context in favor of a headline, despite the context being repeatedly given in the actual OP and in my responses. Next, here you go again, asserting what you apparently cannot demonstrate: you provided x. You assert that I have "weasled" by tossing a bunch of unnecessary deconstructions. Why are they unnecessary? Why is it a deconstruction rather than a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/23 02:02 AM
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Yes I disagree with that. A lot of the time women who do that are very attractive and have many options who are superficially similar to or better than the man. Polite rejection by the attractive women is actually much worse because usually they are patronizing the men approaching them. A woman who plays a power game with you is at least threatened by you in some way, i.e. sees you as valuable in some way. You're likely misattributing stand offish behavior to just apathetic behavior in many case…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 09:01 PM
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I mean, once you have secured someone or someone(s) who satisfy your base sexual needs as a single man, the next productive step is to seek out new interpersonal challenges in that arena so that you can learn. Yes, one class of games people play is the manipulation of a present power dynamic. That is not what I am talking about. I am talking about when you go into a situation objectively lower power and via your conduct over time renegotiate the power dynamic. You renegotiate the power dynamic b…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 08:37 PM
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Bare assertion is widely known as a poor debate tactic, because those in the know see calling out the scoreboard as an attempt to manipulate the scoreboard without earning the points. If you have insist on stating x or y is proven or disproven, it should be easy enough to attach a summary clearly demonstrating thus. You have yet do so, but I will show the way in the following explanation and correction of your errors: Your example was healthy good, fat bad, which precludes the existence of one b…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 08:26 PM
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Only true if all her friends seemed attracted to you sexually.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 07:19 PM
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I think that this advice is very self limiting. First it assumes there is no way to renegotiate a power dynamic. Second, it will keep men very limited in their dating interpersonal social skill set
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 07:18 PM
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If you're statistically illiterate, sure
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 06:53 PM
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Survey responses are still statistics. And social desirability bias fails to preclude meaningful analysis of surveys. Especially when those surveys are ANONYMOUS.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 06:39 PM
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All social relationships are exchanges. People are always negotiating in one way or another to get their various needs met. It's analogous to but not quite identical with contract formation. Problems arise in contract formation in the presence of unfair advantage. Pretty much all the defenses to enforcement focus on one type of unfair advantage or another. Social exchanges involve value trades. The goods up for sale command different prices that are in many cases tied up with the personal brandi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 06:37 PM
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To argue that the "healthy range" of fat exhibits marked individual variation is not bending your point. You're just trying to equivocate between a general standard of fat and what is definitionally fat. To argue that the colloquial sense of fat is tied to anything other than aesthetic concerns is silly and shows that you are the one trying to bend points where you can. If your belief system is doing anything other than encouraging action in direct response to the facts, it's not serving you. Th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 06:15 PM
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Any and all efforts to streamline dating and waste less time are commendable. Well done. Having said that, I have notes. Use the block feature. Blocking is less preferable to just deleting the number and thread completely. Why? Because women often ping back, more than you'd think. Not that you need to respond, but those little pings can be just the tiny ego boost you need to get through a tough day. Immediately drop women who flake from the start. Depends on the skill level here. Mutual agreemen…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 08:04 AM
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Any and all efforts to streamline dating and waste less time are commendable. Well done. Having said that, I have notes. Use the block feature. Blocking is less preferable to just deleting the number and thread completely. Why? Because women often ping back, more than you'd think. Not that you need to respond, but those little pings can be just the tiny ego boost you need to get through a tough day. Immediately drop women who flake from the start. Depends on the skill level here. Mutual agreemen…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 08:03 AM
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Because you feel ashamed and are weak-minded enough to let society shame you for normal human wants and needs. All external programming serves one purpose: de-powering you. There are many collective stories of everything floating around. People who are caught in the intersections and inflection points are often shamed by one fairytale as being too masculine, whereas the other fable shames him for not being masculine enough. That's why a personal hard reset to basic wants and needs is always usef…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 01:13 AM
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I think they have a point regarding the attention of the world. Being in a market where whoever it is you are has widespread agreement of universal currency is a great bulwark against a lot of life's struggles. The guy who just finds one woman to like him yes, he found her, but at the same time, he knows what the world thinks. She's not stupid, either. I think it's a feminine thing to view having the desire and attention of 'the one' or 'a one,' as being a crowning achievement. For a woman in da…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/12/23 12:27 AM
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This is one of the toughest concepts of people from all the pills to process: nuance. It's a numbers game in that there is a high amount of variance. But if you're not taking the correct actions then all the numbers aren't going to help you
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 10:11 PM
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Ah, another art critic. It's amazing how people, even when pre-empted just charge in anyway. Not understanding how language, which is often creatively contorted and shifts in meaning, works --- even when I took care to explain what I meant by my distinctions? Either you believe language is primarily about formalism rather than meaning. Which is wrong. Or you believe that people are not allowed to take any liberty at all with language. Which is also wrong. So just an art critic on the shitter dro…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 05:09 PM
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Nah I already explained in the OP and in the comments why I used believe as the verb, as in to be in a state of truth acceptance. Any barbs tossed at it is just art criticism. And art critics really would be irrationally entitled to expect anyone to take them seriously. that's just you applying your OWN belief system to us. Perhaps others believe that a belief system that makes them feel good is good. You're not more right than they are. Not really. Nothing in my personal code of conduct has me …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 04:54 PM
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Are you auditioning for the role of PPD school marm or something? I just told you I invented the term and why I did so. You just told me what I told you, then told me that there's no such thing as the thing I just told you I invented. First, DUH DOY. Second, creativity with language is allowed. But really there's not much in your paragraph beyond naked snark. You snark +[repeat what I already told you] + *belief system doesn't imply any necessity of action (*the only content). Then you geek it u…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 04:43 PM
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Ehhh, you can talk until you're blue in the face about it muchACHO. Attempting to pull off a maneuver like that --- unsustainable though it may be in the long run --- really enlivens a man. I have made this daredevil move, overtly, twice in my life. The first arrangement lasted maybe a year and I'm fairly certain both of them strayed a bit near the end. The second arrangement lasted almost 4 years. Much improved competence. Is it biological? I mean, sure, all humans want to have their cake and e…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 03:30 PM
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No I had that before. I termed it believe system for this one and referenced why in the OP. A belief system generates courses of action. When a belief system encounters a situation beyond its comprehension and scope, it fails and becomes a believe system --- no action, just some explanation about why reality isn't reality. You're not longer proceeding according to beliefs, you're sitting there just believing it against reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 02:46 PM
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Indeed. This is the number one dating killer for men. Not looks. Not dominance. Not being kind and trustworthy. Wasting time. Once you learn to place firm boundaries on your attention and time, the sky's the limit. In your mind, you're like the therapist sometimes, ah, time's up.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 02:46 PM
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Why would we need those when we can objectify and idealize each other. You know sometimes....it's like you don't know me at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 01:01 PM
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Well...ok. But only if you talk dirty in that slushy lisp
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 12:45 PM
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Humans, driven by a set of universal needs, naturally veer towards hedonism in various forms. The naturalistic fallacy, however, is only compelling in specific contexts: when nature's truths are counterintuitive or when it's used as a convenient excuse for fatalism. The concept of human flourishing as inherently positive encounters the intricate 'God problem'. The advocacy for universal effectiveness hinges on several premises: (1) The optimal state for humanity is the pursuit of harmony and pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 12:33 PM
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Am I being dissed for leaving a zizek easter egg?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 12:02 PM
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Women: can't read. also women: well so what I didn't read it, I have a voice too! also also women: where I comment about how no one wants to hang out with these guys, when here I am, cuddled up beneath the warm fire of OP
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 11:56 AM
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Yes, the goal of a belief system is to direct action not offer excuses in the form of explanation. That's when they start feeling good. believe that being healthy is good, and being fat is bad What about instances where fat and healthy co-exist? A belief system like that wouldn't permit such a situation to occur so when it did, the believer would explain away reality rather than confront it and recognize the limits of the system. In the case you have believed being healthy is good for a signific…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 11:54 AM
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You don't even know what my side is. But no, you definitely are not. I abhor all convictions in the absence of due evidence and for all your talk about being on whoever's side, everything you've said just seems to lay the blame for this derailing tactic on your alleged team. Further, how can you meaningfully be on the side you claim to be on. You're just here presuming to speak for them without having the foggiest idea about the accuracy of these things you're saying. It's your opinion about stu…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 07:57 AM
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Let me think. ... Nah. You're the one who keeps seeding the origins of this common derailment and laying blame with one side, without any support. Why bring it up multiple times? Why talk about it at all? Why spin yarns into a theory all wedded to this fact you are without any evidence to support? You know the concept of sleeper agents, right? People who are just randomly activated to do a government's bidding. In the best case, that's what you're coming off as right now. You come in and you ple…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 07:52 AM
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Refraining from affirmatively claiming a fact without supporting evidence is far from taking an absolutist stance, it's simply refusing to lay blame where there is a lack of evidence. So you jumped the General Lee over basic burdens of production there, you sneaky Pete. So you are dumb enough to repeatedly state that with a high probability it came from somewhere. Why repeatedly mention the source at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 07:45 AM
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Yeah but, if you don't have any evidence, why attribute it to a source that as far as I have seen never brings it up in the first place
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 07:32 AM
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They're not incel ideas. The only people I've ever seen throw around the fantasy rape dystopia have been mainstream/blue pill/feminist types who are trying to derail the conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 07:14 AM
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based on the words of a very very small minority Nope! Unless someone can literally cite to an instance of this canard originating -earnestly- on a so-called fringe forum, as in being taken and discussed SERIOUSLY, the real source of this nonsense has been the mainstream. Invented wholecloth to silence a group of individuals talking about male issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 07:14 AM
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Nope. Nice try. The ONLY people who spout this fantasy rape dystopia bullshit are people from the mainstream/feminist/bluepill camp who like to project this onto their "opposition" when that opposition is just pointing out current male suffering. because those who say it are known to be part of communities who make sport out of saying outrageous things for a multitude of reasons other than actually believing in them. You've repeated this falsehood several times. Looks like you're seeding. Ha! Yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 07:12 AM
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I suspect it came from some incel/blackpill sub or forum, with the context and tone removed I suspect you might be talking out of your ass. The ONLY people I ever see bring up the fantasy rape dystopia are people from the mainstream/feminist/blue pill side whenever TRP/incels/whoever observe or bemoan the lonely plight of modern men. To shut them up.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 07:09 AM
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Some men are purportedly so desperate for women, that they want to receive a government-mandated spouse. Eyeroll. No one on PPD has ever seriously advocated for this fantasy rape dystopia. The people who bring up the fantasy rape dystopia do so to derail conversations regarding the plight of lonely men. Why? For the same reason any group brings up some nonsensical proposition to derail conversations about human suffering: the preservation of the status quo and framing of any alternative to the s…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 04:53 AM
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I mean, it's hard to know if any trend exists at all because the other surveys they reference near the start are from different pollsters likely utilizing different sampling methods and procedures. Plus, that's a global survey. Having said that, I think that if you were to frame it as "% who paid for some form of female romantic/sexual companionship in the last year" that a number around 10-20% would strike me as plausible. ... Or a much lower figure between %1-5 that forms the vast majority of …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 04:11 AM
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In cartoon land, sure. One man was first humiliated and pranked, then cuckolded. That same man could have fucked the other man's woman, but did not, then proceeded to devalue, demoralize, humiliate, and dominate his opponent --- ending a relationship he wasn't even part of and resecuring his own. He makes it so Anna does not want to be with Dan and he makes it so that Alice does not want to be with Dan. Like I always say, if you have to dismiss huge swaths of the populous as inferior to make you…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 03:16 AM
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Yeah it's like when adult TV is on and you are more engrossed by cartoons and prefer discussion to center around them and the world they depict
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 01:18 AM
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When you derail a thread to do so...kinda
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 01:06 AM
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How would you know, if you're this fanatical about kiddie stories you likely haven't been inside of yourself at any depth
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/23 12:52 AM
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That's actually what Alice more or less says to Dan in the movie. My point is that in real life people lie to each other. A lot. Because most people cannot and will not handle the truth. The truth of any situation is always painful. Which is why people get angry when their worldviews are challenged. Or in discussions involving compassion for so called sinners. The point at which someone becomes irredeemable in reality if you think rationally is much different than the point mainstream morality d…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 10:09 PM
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I think more pill guys should watch movies to get a (better) feel for reality. The aversion to risk, compromise, and rejection is so gross and pervasive.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 10:02 PM
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This entire thread illustrates so much of what is wrong. Rhapsodizing about material meant for children.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 10:00 PM
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No, my statement is definitional, i.e. to be successful, with success being the accomplishment of an aim or purpose = winning. Your statement is normative, attempting to invert the definition, i.e. 'I wanted x, I fought and won x,' and you saying 'you did not win because I think it is stupid for you to want x.' Your analogy is inapt. Addiction necessarily presumes a state of desire that overwhelms to the point of losing any contest regarding the object of desire, i.e. ceding to any demands made.…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 09:41 PM
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Who are you to tell anyone else what's proper to want and fight for? You're missing the forest for the trees. Point blank: dude wanted x and effectively got what he wanted. I can't believe you are arguing that someone fighting for what they want and getting it != winning. King Agamemnon --- what a loser --- starting a war over some harlot who ran out on him. Let's read all the great stories, myths, and tales that have helped created our collective social reality that involve the great "nah I'm n…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 08:44 PM
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Typically when it comes to male looks and you're searching for an explanation, don't invoke women when gay men will do as an explanation. Regarding male sex workers: the vast majority of those clients are men. Male strip revues are for the most part a lot different than what you're thinking. The successful shows exhibit the same difference hardcore pornography has with softcore porn (which women generally favor). There are storylines/character, etc. And a lot of male strippers are gay for pay, s…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 08:31 PM
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Confuses correlation with cause. The videogames are not what cause younger and increasingly older men to retreat to them. They are not the impetus for escape. Social engagement and the current cultural climate provide that. Taking away the videogames just leaves you with people who would always rather be somewhere else.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 08:06 PM
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First, the top 20% online are just barely entering the market. It's more like top 5% to see any traction. Second, I'm unsure why you believe cold approach differs meaningfully from OLD in that essentially it relies on a superficial presentation and her impression of that presentation within an extremely short time window. With the added social pressures that will come from the context of her situation. So if 80% of men can't do OLD, 80% of men definitely shouldn't be cold approaching.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 07:52 PM
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What a ridiculous comment. A person's wants are their wants. Knowing how to effectively go after what you want, socially, is a skill every man should have. If your solution to every personal slight or infraction is to "just leave bro" regardless of circumstance you're not going to be very effective. There is no valhalla where everyone you meet and all of your connections are "healthy" "well-adjusted" people.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 07:49 PM
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No the point of the movie is that real life relationships, the truth of them, is something that most of us can't face. The only character who can deal with reality is Larry. And you're talking about Alice, not Anna, in that example. Both men didn't sleep with Alice.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 07:47 PM
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Ok. They should both said no way Jose and met up with the women who were not like all the others and lived happily ever after 😀
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 07:01 PM
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Lol Larry cheated on Anna too. He immediately confessed to her. I mean that's a pretty simplistic stance that fails to equip anyone for dealing with life. Given enough time most everyone close to you in some way betray you or fuck up at some point. Further you can't just shut love off like a faucet on tap. Last I think Larry loves himself plenty. He fights back and takes back what he likely views on some level as his property.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 07:00 PM
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This is untrue. Women are socialized to repress and hide their sexuality in a lot of ways but women can pump and dump, women can get butthurt if you don't put out or don't orgasm, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 06:51 PM
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"While 18.4% of women reported that intercourse alone was sufficient for orgasm, 36.6% reported clitoral stimulation was necessary for orgasm during intercourse, and an additional 36% indicated that, while clitoral stimulation was not needed, their orgasms feel better if their clitoris is stimulated during intercourse." https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/0092623X.2017.1346530 So let's do away with the canard of most women not being able to orgasm from intercourse. Women also are more e…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 06:48 PM
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That's not really true either.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 06:44 PM
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This is wrong. Stop making proclamations for all when you speak for yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 06:43 PM
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He gets to be with the woman he loves. He's the only one in the movie whose actions are consistent with loving someone else.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 06:42 PM
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He got what he wanted. That's what winning is.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 06:40 PM
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Or the fact that it is meant to be an endearing children's movie. No only one of those men wins.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 06:37 PM
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Ok. You can galavante around doing what you like. Im just saying it's reasonable for men to utilize other avenues. You can meet people in other ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 06:26 PM
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Larry is a lot of things, but stoic I would never say. Yes TRP tells men to compete and essentially says in all romantic situations there's one way to win or it doesn't count, so idk.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 06:24 PM
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I know, myth, movies, stories, etc. are meaningless, after all you know what they say, "art does not imitate life."
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 06:21 PM
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It's not really necessary and given the cultural climate --- which is the main reason men are lonely -- totally understandable why many men forgo participation.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 04:08 PM
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Yeah. It's a very child-like perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 04:07 PM
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It's a children's movie. Just saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 03:48 PM
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This movie isn't an action movie. It's a movie about how human relationships are often messy and require compromise. The first 10 minutes of UP are pretty sad and it's strange how you'd depict the guy in that scenario, alone and childless as having won. And I'd rather a guy take an action movie for cues over a children's movie
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 03:47 PM
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Because maybe in the long run those are the real choices
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 03:43 PM
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Because she's with him and he wants her. It's that simple. The idea is that obsession with the truth and the ideals attendant to them for the most part does not bring us closer. Larry is the only one who understands and can deal with the truth. Every scene almost has him coming face to face with an uncomfortable reality and conducting himself accordingly. Which is why Alice trusts him not Dan. And Anna ends up with him because he understands her for her. No other character can handle it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 03:40 PM
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For the most part cold approaching women is unnecessary and I'm not surprised it is falling out of fashion.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 02:26 PM
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It's a religion because it relies on faith against counter evidence. You can go read your acolytes handwaving away study after study. 😀
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 02:24 PM
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They serve a purpose. They're like....much better than the mainstream view and represent like a whole 5-10% of reality at their best. The current mainstream is cloud cuckoo land for how anything social works.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 01:50 PM
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True but social circle is just inefficient. Things progress slower, reputations matter, the variability in group talent acquisition matters, etc. I mean your highest quality partners will come from real life, but the rate isn't that great.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 01:48 PM
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Of course. 10 minutes to find tons of peer reviewed evidence flatly contradicting it and another 5 to realize that you are all immune to "empirical observation" when it collides with your worldview.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 01:47 PM
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Ah so they couldn't get the grand wizard huh? I'm glad that you understand that indeed it is a religion. And yes it is the same as any other branch of ideology. Limiting. Do you think your grand dad gave two fucks about "genuine desire?" Do you think men sat around back in the day quizzing one another about that?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 01:45 PM
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Oh buddy boyo, it takes much less than two hours of research to see TRP for what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 01:40 PM
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Bro she's giving you the reality of what women have got in the face of male weakness: NOTHING They don't understand it and their concern is more akin to watching an alien burst from someone's chest than it is understanding a fellow human being in need. Why do you hope women talk to you? Trust and believe whether the attention is positive or negative it is MEANINGLESS. A lot of those bad boys and jerks who get female attention still end up in early graves. If female attention were some pancea, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 11:32 AM
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Buddy, you need to internalize what's known as belovolent sexism. Anyone in a privileged position will be blinded by that privilege to the point of speaking dispassionate nonsense in the face of reality. Women do not understand the burden of men, they will never understand the burden of men, and they can't conceptualize the burden of men. When women have actually tried to do something as simple as date as a man, like gone undercover and done it, it has broken them down mentally so rapidly that n…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 11:21 AM
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Dating apps are 1000% more efficient than real life. If you get a system in place to minimize wasted time and maximize benefits, it's pretty easy to clean up.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 11:01 AM
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Ah, the "argument" was even sillier: that the phenomenon would not generalize to women rating male faces. The point is that a ton of people wait long periods of time and grow attracted to one another over time. To have to dismiss so many relationships as fake for the sake of a worldview should be obviously silly. ....not for TRP! Do what you want. It'll likely be handwaving and pretzel logic to avoid the overall point presented by the evidence: there is a lot of reality that TRP is obviously mis…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 10:53 AM
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Nice handwaving. You argue that being dependable and having a date night (betabux), at least are somehow more alpha in the early stages of dating. Unsurprising, given how nebulous TRP loves to define these traits. Although, if hypergamy is in effect, none of the italicized traits are power-increasing. You avoid the second based on nonsense and a blind assertion about what the people are doing in these relationships. Another flawed study that doesn't distinguish male/female responses Because each…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 05:49 AM
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Nope. I'm talking about all decisions that more or less occur before at least around a month. And think about the contradictory nature of what you just said: they're so low quality that you were sleeping with them despite how they were assholes. You seem convinced that at or near zero acquaintance personality doesn't matter and it has been demonstrated in many studies replicating those conditions. That's fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 03:16 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/18mnvfd/comment/ke8lcys/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 I think I'm going to take that comment and just add to it until there are the at minimum 30 or 40 studies on it that directly contend with several TRP tenets.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 03:14 AM
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Yeah there's a study coming to the conclusion that women are more entitled to the use of a partner's body for their sexual pleasure than vice versa. People, the usual suspects, railed up and down about how that could not be the literal conclusion of the study, despite that literally being what the study per direct quote said of itself. At Time 1 (T1), young women reported more entitlement than young men. Age was positively associated with T1 entitlement, and experience with a wider range of part…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 02:57 AM
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Oh you silly fool. If you're a male 8 and you're rotating women who are 5-7, you're essentially pursuing a strategy that involves maximizing sexual return on minimal investment. The same player would not be able to do this with an 8+ female. I say it all the time: hypergamy comes for us all. No matter how hot you are as a man, once a woman is on your level, your looks no longer matter. Either you offer other assets or fail to get into the endzone.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 02:56 AM
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On the timescales normal dating takes place in, I should say. Over longer time periods (months) personality does exert an effect. In your case however, it just seems like he was willing to invest = great personality. In the short-term women don't really care. It's just the truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 02:54 AM
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Am I speaking with a TRP grand wizard? What level?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 12:39 AM
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TRP is all about "reality" until you cite the string of studies that disagree with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/23 12:26 AM
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Whatever it is it must be quite the CV to whip you into a frenzy, I'd say. You're indeed saying a lot via what you're saying. I agree!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 11:24 PM
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More or less this is true. The blue pill alternatives are both there as security blankets, as I've said. If a man could just be alpha, the bad things won't happen. If a man could just be Chad, the bad things won't happen. Rude awakenings are the only guarantee.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 11:18 PM
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Younger women are way easier to manipulate than older women. I sense that you have a very low level thinking process. Men, old and young, are typically pretty easy for women to manipulate via their ego. For example, men believe that if women are truly genuinely attracted to them that means the women will somehow be more "true," when the opposite is usually the case. Women lie to men who they find more attractive rather than less. You're never going to see the game if you're into your ego, though…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 11:16 PM
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In the beginning sure, but no, anyone who's that busy after getting off the ground either doesn't know how to delegate or doesn't understand time management. Tell yourself whatever you want
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 11:06 PM
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We agree then that an employee generates FAR more (3-5x) value than they take home, the definition of exploitation. No need to shoot a lot of conversational buckshot to save face.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 10:46 PM
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I'm telling on the reality that an employee creates many times more value than the employer pays them and therefore is just an exploited cog. I own because being an employee just ain't my bag: for that reason. Spin it how you like :) I mean, I don't quite share your romanticization about people who have money, but yes, it is easy for women to find themselves drawn to someone with the potential to meet many of their human needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 09:54 PM
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Being attentive, dependable, engaging in more frequent communication, and having more intense communication, having a date night, etc. all were positive predictors of increased physical attractiveness https://interpersona.psychopen.eu/index.php/interpersona/article/view/3433/3433.html While we found attractiveness (note that this may or may not have been interpreted by participants to refer to physical attractiveness) was rated higher in high-orgasm partners, we found no significant difference, …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 09:48 PM
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All right well that's a rookie move. I've had sex with plenty of women on the first night who made some reference to taking things slow. Things will always develop organically develop. You're revealing a sensitivity to the things women say. And lol Just no. Banging a 9 vs a 5 is not even close and yes the sex will definitely be worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 09:08 PM
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I mean to the more entrepreneurial of us big paychecks go to the most useful cogs BUT I DIGRESS, yes a lot of positive traits correlate with income. Hence the value of the other intangibles besides "bux" also increases. Because they are real demonstrated competencies. I'd argue that their presence alone is not what makes the man attractive it is how they deploy these attributes to your benefit that is the real draw.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 09:07 PM
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K. Sex wit a 9/10 on date 5 versus date with a 5/10 on date 1. Will the date 5 sex be worth it?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 08:47 PM
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I like how TRP continually evades any specific definition that is logically consistent with its foundational principles. TRP states that women are driven by hypergamy. If this is true, than that means female sexual attraction is driven by power imbalances. Hence, the man must be perceived as better than the woman. For whatever reason, you believe this = if she wanted to fuck you, she'd fuck you. I'm not a Terper BTW. I'm just a random who dated around an awful lot. IME, Terpers are spot on. When…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 08:45 PM
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Unless you're saying that TRP now states that women find traits other than alpha traits to be sexually attractive, I'm unsure how you're even maintaining disagreement. I see, so then women who alter their behavior, their desire, and perception of attraction based on intangibles as recorded in various ways via literal empirical observation in peer-reviewed research are all lying. Keep telling yourself that TRP is "simple empirical observation,' lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 08:29 PM
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If TRP were so into 'the universe" it would indeed acknowledge reality, which it does not. When you have to assert your worldview is reality in the face of many counterfactuals, consider that you're not actually defending reality. Studies showing personality traits increase physical attraction over time, studies showing beta traits increase physical attraction and genuine desire of time, studies showing that beta traits correlate more with orgasm frequency and intensity, etc. etc. These have bee…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 08:27 PM
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Women aren't fucking to have kids? Huh. Where do they keep coming from then? ;😜 Ok so I can fuck a woman with the purpose of impregnating her for whatever reason I want then right?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 06:40 PM
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Even if that were true, according to TRP and hypergamy that shouldn't happen
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 06:11 PM
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People in TRP agree that women have a wide range of what they are attracted to? LOL that's just false. Hypergamy doesn't care about intangibles even when those intangibles reveal a power imbalance? Want to rethink your answer? Hint: women rate men depicted as wealthy as far more attractive than depicted as more or less normal. Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 06:10 PM
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You're hung up on men having kids for whatever reason they want is the point. Which is hypocritical if you believe women can fuck whoever they want for whatever reason they want. I will quote you as typically being upset when a man exercises options that women deem exclusive dominion over, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 06:07 PM
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If you call it arousal then TRP is in big trouble because research has shown that women are genuinely aroused by a wide range of stimuli meaning that it's far easier to come by than TRP believes. I've given plenty of examples in these comments. I gave a repository of examples in the OP. You're framing the manifestation of intangible traits that take time to demonstrate "jumping through hoops." The rest is you repeating TRP talking points. If TRP were merely empirical observation it wouldn't have…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 05:47 PM
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Yes, because I haven't seen the difference between this approach on women who are "into me" and watch one approach turn people off and one approach turn people on, right? I like how you assume any of this is hard work for me. Then assume that any of this means women are "monoliths," invoking yet another cliche'. Then assume that I'm saying one girl not liking me means another one won't. Apparently, observation of a general trend is impossible with women. And focusing on what women respond to and…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 05:23 PM
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Sure they do. But hey maybe I'm wrong and ego protection has nothing to do with feminine desire to converse Maybe all those women who talked at length in exactly the scenarios I described, passionately going on about nonsense because they felt included and "safe" in the conversation don't exist!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 04:40 PM
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GAIN ACCESS TO A GROUP THEN. Trust, bruv.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 04:38 PM
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I've already reproduced. But hell after seeing this conversation why not make part 2 a little different and spice things up? The sequel will be more a fuck you go read the declaration of independence and stfu baby. America baby.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 04:37 PM
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Yes it's information that's mostly false and ineffective. Ohhh the 7 who offers the 8 something she's never had before would be immune to that because of a guy who offered something she's more or less had a lot of before huh? Nah man that makes sense
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 04:33 PM
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Of course women can do whatever they want, raw, but a man who wants to impregnate a woman for his own reasons? Evil. Since you have pardoned me so graciously I'm gonna slip out of dreamland.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 04:30 PM
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It kinda sounds like you didn't really read what I wrote.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 04:27 PM
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Oh well excuse me your highness and lordship. Indeed you should apply that logic to whether women can choose to fuck whoever they want to. For some reason I don't think a man, even one who possessed such an impressive credential as a counseling minor, would be spared your wrath for daring say these things about women
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 01:10 PM
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Nah she didn't mean this kind of talk, as you can see ;😜
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 10:05 AM
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A lot of these intangibles are tougher to talk about and teach. In my case the key isn't me just paying her some flattery. The key is that it has to be accurate. So it's a real skill. Cognitive empathy is probably the source of a lot of these skills. Men should focus on the things they do women react to really. Whether it pisses them off or makes them actually laugh. Pissing them off is better because it usually is the residue of power. Then reverse engineer it and break it down. Idk. There shou…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 10:01 AM
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Hahaha. Nonsense friend. Power does not speak English, logic, compassion, or even emotion. It only speaks power!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 09:34 AM
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Oh, so daring to argue with you, oh wizard of oz, is a defense mechanism. I call it arguing. But whatevs. Calling me an idiot is not arguing. It's just insulting. That's okay, a lot of people around here make the same mistake. I mean at such a high level I’m not part of the conversation. I can do that with a professor in a lecture hall. Hint: that’s not a conversation. And you admitted you’re not “explaining”. You admitted straight up you’re bullshitting. Don’t move the goalposts now champ. So, …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 09:30 AM
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So you think women are idiots you can spout nonsense, sophistry, any fallacy you can think of… but if you use a “curious” voice she won’t know the difference? You’re an idiot. And I’m being calm & rational. Maybe even curious as to how you think this works with every subject. Way to prove my first point regarding the defense mechanisms. Why does it have to work 100% of the time to be generally the case? It’s not just “intelligence”. I don’t value someone who talks so far over me I’m not particip…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 08:45 AM
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Because the real world is complicated. TRP is correct that the men they categorize as the long term "loser dudes" exist. And they constitute probably a larger share of the populous than the long-term "winner" but not stereotypically "alpha" dudes. Knowing how to to assess someone, dispassionately understand what they are wanting from you, then engaging in that kind of silent negotiation with your intangibles to the point of bringing out genuine desire to trade sex for them is an advanced social …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 08:27 AM
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Taking TRP to task for attempting to provide a means for men to take control over their lives in some way is unfair. So what? My gripe with it is that it is extremely limiting. And ultimately, it will hamstring the men practicing it. Maybe good for a year or two, tops. The weakness is that TRP weds men too much to a concept and so far, to a man, they all have their egos tied up in "being alpha." If you and her failed to fuck night one, all desire is counterfeit, no sex counts, and your relations…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 08:04 AM
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Why do men make these posts about whether an obviously hypocritical situation is hypocritical? Women in the dating arena are hypocritical. It's the hallmark of being in the power position. Any context where one party/group is in a position of power vis a vis another group you will find double standards and hypocrisy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 07:52 AM
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And lo, here I am to smite yet another ridiculous falsehood that is part of the Hydra known as "men lack social skills." Rather than address this specific outgrowth of "men do not know how to hold a conversation," I am going to strike at the heart: it is untrue that men lack social skills. For sure women have worse social skills than men do. Women have worse emotional control, worse assertive communication, more immature defense mechanisms, etc. men need to realize if they can stimulate a woman'…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 07:48 AM
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Detachment and dominance are not synonyms. The only "dominant" behaviors that TRP advocates for are superficial aspects of dominance such as in the bedroom or planning dates. I see. So TRP advocates being a pushover in everyday life? We both know that is incorrect. TRP is generally skeptical to serious commitment, interdependence, and especially marriage that would enable a man to have meaningful control over his partner's life(or vice versa). Skeptical, afraid, whichever. Apparently TRP believe…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 06:29 AM
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You literally just stated that a form of power was an illusion and now are saying that power is not an illusion. Huh?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 06:22 AM
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I mean, TRP, like many worldviews or ideologies is a general motte and bailey exercise. Generally the adherents avoid being "caught" with any position that would be the logical extension of their beliefs. For example, to argue that a TRP man's ideal woman wouldn't be a subservient tradwife is a hard sell. To argue that TRPers do not want to control their partners is a hard sell. You can't fetishize dominance all day every day and then act baffled that someone makes the logical connection between…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 05:13 AM
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It's amusing how many women are popping in here to essentially present themselves as the authority on who and who cannot have children and for what reason, given the gender's current track record lol. I don't agree that beyond maybe the notion of hypergamy that TRP is correct or has much utility, though. I agree that people should simply pursue what makes them happy. It's right there in the DOI. People who try to tell you otherwise can fuck right off.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 04:59 AM
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Lol as if you understand genetics. He doesn't need to answer to you. You're not qualified to judge. On any level. Stop pretending like you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 04:58 AM
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People can have children for whatever reason they want. Who are you to say his reasons require help? Do you even have a psychiatry MD?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 04:57 AM
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You committed criminal acts and got away with it and are using that as an example of how boss authority is an illusion? Hmm.....
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 01:34 AM
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This is not quite it. The instant attraction "Chad" has is not fixed forever. The longer "Chad" coasts on that attraction, the less the female will give him the benefits until eventually, upon realizing no benefits are forthcoming, she will move on. All the men who believe that "beta traits" cannot lead to genuine desire need to account for abusive relationships. The man in those relationships, even TRP would agree, receive so-called genuine desire. But a very common way for those men into those…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 01:32 AM
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If the "collateral" posed by a male's physical attractiveness necessarily recouped fewer profits the longer he transacted with the given party, then without other forms of collateral he's destined to end up in the red regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 01:28 AM
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That is a great post.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 01:25 AM
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The whole post comes from someone with life experience who has experienced so-called "genuine desire" more times than the men on PPD have even imagined. In many contexts. In many situations. Real life simply does not comport with the TRP worldview.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 01:24 AM
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So ignoring the "you too" attempt at derailment, let's look at the meat of what you said there: a recent survey of this subreddit revealed that a lot of people identified as neurodivergent. Of course, the fact that people self-identify as neurodivergent fails to substitute for the credentials required to make the generalizations you're trying to make, so again, I'm unsure why you're trying to make assumptions you're unqualified to make about people.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 01:20 AM
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So you think if identical twins walked into a room, and 1 was friendly, charismatic and challenging while the other just sat in the corner and played pokemon, they'd both have the same amount of options after 2 hours? C'mon bro. Don't sit here and act like game doesn't exist. The willingness to talk to other people i.e. extroversion to me is not really 'game,' it's just the willingness to initiate and carry on social interaction. So, by virtue of not engaging in social interaction at all, the ot…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 09:23 PM
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What proof do you have of this because women look for dominant, masculine men to be their long-term partners. If you lose dominance contests, you lose status. So unless you are saying that repeatedly losing dominance contests and status somehow makes you more attractive to women, I'm unsure what the question is. Further, women do not look for dominant masculine men as partners in the long term. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886910005180 No. His appeal is his attracti…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 07:33 PM
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We are saying the same thing. A man's behavior can cause women to lose attraction for him but his behavior on it's own cannot create attraction if it was not already there. Attraction is what separates men from being potential partners to friends in women's eyes We are definitely not saying the same thing. What you said is not what I said. Dominance is a masculine trait, and will make the vast majority of men less attractive over time vis a vis his partner. Especially in cases of "genuine desire…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/23 12:23 AM
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The mistake is thinking that being "alpha" will save you from becoming a statistic. Or thinking that high drama will prevent infidelity and breaking up.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 09:33 PM
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So in other words, genuine desire is when a man transcends briffault's law? Because that doesn't exist. I mean if you're just going to handwave away everything that disagrees with you we can just agree to disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 09:17 PM
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Stop framing the position as mine when I just told you what my position was. There are a lot of easy tells here. First, do you notice how your response to what TRP would say subtly shames (feeds into your worst fears) runs them off the beaten path of common sense (you don't know every little detail; you're creating a narrative, you're craaaaaaazy maaan). Having seeded the question with a very subtle gaslight... ...then you present some material worth responding to. Of course the simple answer he…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 08:47 PM
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A man didn't become alpha by being nice in the real world. Most men who ascend dominance hierarchies do not utilize dominance per se, they utilize prestige, which involves a lot of "beta" traits. A man who just has dominance-acquired status is very vulnerable to losing it, because dominant individuals are punished more harshly and sanctioned more severely when they fuck up and lose. If a woman is with a beta, then it's because she's settled. That's why they're being "more responsive over time", …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 08:41 PM
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You're pointing out the intersections between a mental health "disorder" you are unqualified to assess and diagnose and an entire demographic of men you do not know. Adults can figure this stuff out on their own, I believe in you.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 08:31 PM
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I did, because people like to engage in motivated reasoning around here and niggle and wriggle with research to the point of pretzel logic. Not because I don't believe women find money/wealth and its displays attractive. Yes, according to you women are not attracted to money. But there's a lot of research showing that women rate men as more physically attractive when he is depicted in a high status/wealthy context, i.e. like next to an expensive car for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 08:29 PM
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You're zooming in on S1 when there were 4 experiments done. The last comment referred to an overall result. You need to think about the context of the study --- it was a very limited input of additional information. Yes, the needle barely moved. Now consider the effect hundreds or thousands of little behaviors, i.e. the effect over a long period of interaction. Yes, I can see you don't believe that personality characteristics such as being likable help in dating. There are a lot of other studies…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 08:28 PM
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The red pill stresses that men's goal should be to extract genuine sexual desire from women and that can never be achieved monetarily. You cannot buy genuine sexual attraction and it cannot be enhanced without having "alpha" traits such as charisma, confidence, competence and masculinity. Yes, there's this "no true scotsman" aura to these proclamations about "genuine desire." Where is it? We don't know. It can't be evinced by the mere act of a woman having sex with a man. It can't be evinced fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 08:15 PM
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In the short-term women desire men along a very simple axis: hot or not, behavior irrelevant. Your last question runs headfirst into the brick wall of the world, where most people are friends first. On average, friends-first initiators were friends for 21.90 months prior to becoming romantic partners (SD = 28.23; Mdn = 12; Mode = 12; range from 1 to 180 months). The length of these friendships stands in stark contrast to dating initiation, which typically occurs between relative strangers (e.g.,…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 07:24 PM
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What does truly desire mean? If you're talking about literally every physiological indicator of arousal for women then point blank: that's false. And my OP doesn't concern just wealth, there's also other personal qualities that make a man more attractive to a woman over time. It's basic associative learning. She is associating positive qualities with your phenotype. So the attraction is real.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 06:57 PM
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I'd say they trump everything even when all other things are extremely unequal. There's research showing that high status men (controlling for physical attractiveness) garner more attention from women --- especially physically attractive women --- than even physically attractive men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 06:55 PM
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Children, children. You're both just...awful. What those men should do, is follow redpill's advice TRP point blank will not help this group of young men you're both on about. Men who have low sex drives and who don't care about getting to fast sex are better suited to long-term courting. TRP's behavioral recommendations will most likely result in this fellow becoming less attractive over time to a woman, rather than more. I'm telling men The recommendation to these men to "seek partners who matc…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 06:53 PM
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Oh I set personal deadlines for when I will bounce if sex has failed to happen. I'm not TRP and my reasons are my own apart from TRP. However, in their case it boils down to wanting to make sure the woman they are dating has a high level of physical sexual attraction to them. So, if a woman has slept with Joe Hawt on date 1 and makes him wait 6 dates and pay for all of them, that's a sign that she fundamentally views Joe Hawt differently than she does him. Which I can understand. I'm sure you wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 06:48 PM
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Unless you're a psychiatrist you're just engaged in smearing a group of people. Women are not complicated. At all.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 06:44 PM
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So, I see you're painting an entire demographic with a broad brush in the absence of any evidence supporting these assertions, which just makes it prejudice.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 06:43 PM
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Girl, please.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 06:42 PM
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This is another assertion. Again, around half of all the guys who get married according to women are their best lover. That's just if we set the criteria that "only the best lover gets animal lust," which is likely false. So, inductively, it's likely that most men will experience animal lust.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 06:41 PM
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If an extreme amount of wealth is attractive and obviously so, then any amount of it does increase a man's attractiveness. Adding it to your other positive qualities boosts, rather than hinders your attractiveness and "power" in a relationship, is the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 06:40 PM
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All across the animal kingdom there are multiple strategies males employ that are all equally successful from a reproduction standpoint. It's hard to square that with the notion that only one strategy in humans is real and legitimate. Real life shows that the majority of people are friends first. And that they are friends for long periods of time before becoming romantic partners: On average, friends-first initiators were friends for 21.90 months prior to becoming romantic partners (SD = 28.23; …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 06:38 PM
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Then virtually all women are gold diggers I guess :)
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 06:26 PM
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Once again, behavior according to replicated research, does not matter for short-term mating. So "game" is irrelevant. "Not being a bitch" is irrelevant. Like I said, muscles may get you laid in the short-term. Money may get you laid in the short-term --- it's probably the only way to guarantee that result via sex workers, at least. But "work out," and "get paid," are bits of life advice a 2 minute rap song could give you. That's hardly unique to TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 06:25 PM
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The study can’t be replicated and says they need to study further. Did you read past that, at all? The result failed to replicate in one of four studies contained within this study. We successfully replicated Paunonen’s [60] honesty premium effect in Experiments 1 and 2 (but not in Experiment 4). The effect was independent of the pre-rated facial attractiveness of target person, participant gender, target gender, and target clothing attractiveness. The effect of honesty was found not only for fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 06:23 PM
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"Alpha" behavior, if we rely on replicated research alone, will do no such thing. The only thing that will "rack up your body count" is physical attractiveness, which will only rack up that count with women at your level or below.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 06:16 PM
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I disagree. I was very satisfied with the short term results and was not left wanting for more. All right, well there is a lot of research replicating the finding that female mate choice under those timescales is almost entirely controlled by variance and physical attractiveness, to the exclusion of most everything else. So at minimum TRP's emphasis on behavior as a short-cut to female attraction is irrelevant. And if hypergamy is in effect, then that limits a man's choice of partners to those a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 09:17 AM
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It will not grant you that raw animal lust of someone that has to fuck you. This is just one of many assumptions I hear all the time from TRP based on nothing. If access and submission are the goal and money is the lever to get to it just get a sugar baby and be done with it. A huge percentage of sugar daddies are already married and secure access to a highly attractive younger woman in her prime on their terms. It's not uncommon for the women to fall in love with these men. It's not unheard of …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 08:00 AM
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Um, but marriages aren't the only type of LTR
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 07:18 AM
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99.9% more like, but yes, sure. I disagree that only gold diggers are susceptible to the influence, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 07:17 AM
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It encourages cultivating alpha traits if short term sex is your goal. Even if we take this as true, TRP's pronouncement here will be ineffective in securing the highest quality female mate for that purpose. At minimum, the alpha behavioral traits TRP outlines here are essentially irrelevant to what determines a man's outcomes with regard to short-term sex, even if we remove the goal of securing a high-quality female mate. The vast majority of the userbase doesn't need "nice guy" training. They …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 07:16 AM
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So, partially explaining something to a level beneath your ability (rigidly applying a length requirement ensures that at least some of the time, with issues that need more length to explain, will remain inadequately explained) and then lying (unless you truly do not know if you are making yourself clear), and then inviting someone to let you know if they need further explanation (when, if people believe explanation is an insult, then doubly so if they have to request one)? Such an approach seem…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 06:22 AM
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People are putting off marriage by years or even decades in recent times. Worse still, young people (starting with millennials) are actually putting off marriage indefinitely due to various reasons. Once you separate by SES, marriage emerges still going strong. But, sure, let's focus on marriage, I suppose. I'm unsure why, because the OP applies to all types of relationships. For a 20/30 something guy, your advice is essentially useless. Sure, she will inevitably marry you for beta bucks values.…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 06:16 AM
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I tend to observe the opposite; people who have the bona fides of giftedness typically have less invested in this aspect of their personality. But that's just anecdotal. I provided the test for the benefit of anyone who might read the comment. However, in your case, I was without information either way regarding whether you knew or did not know. Erring on the side of explaining for your benefit (if you did not know) and the benefit of any lurkers to me has nothing to do with any opinion I have a…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/12/23 05:28 AM
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However, to clarify, are you asserting that these men are “self identified” alphas and not true “alphas I believe debating or discussing the issue of "true alphas" is an angels on the head of a pin type of argument sprinkled with some "no true scotsman" pepper: pointless. These concepts like "betabux" approach to women are so vague and post-hoc analysis driven (from what I have seen) that nailing them down is almost impossible. But let's try. My first observation/contention that's hanging around…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 07:55 PM
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Many people talk for the sake of talking tbh. I hold the opposite view. All social communication has a purpose, because it seems reasonable to infer that humans are at all times trying to meet a human need for one thing or another. That's the cause of my original confusion, some men tell you they want submission and then describe a situation like this. Was wondering if they understood the word differently or were just lying about their intentions. Well I can only speak to how I view the situatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 07:11 PM
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This shit really needs to stop. I agree. People should start reading the comments they reply to more closely. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 06:54 PM
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What ego boost? Any man who derives validation from a woman's opinion of him in a romantic setting and outside of any expert capacity fundamentally misunderstands life. Constant sex is only assured if you screen your partners well. Most men don't. However to answer the OP --- that's a good question. In the present day, a nice fwb serves many of the same purposes. I suppose having someone who is devoted to you exclusively buffers you from sudden emotional turbulence that loss can bring...somewhat…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 06:53 PM
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When she isn't attracted to you. Next question.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 06:15 PM
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So I will ask you once again: After having completely read my comment and how it serves as an example of fallacious reasoning Why are you explaining all of this?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 06:13 PM
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I think it's common sense to shut the fuck up when you are unkowledgeable about something. What would the purpose of asking the question be, if a satisfactory answer would simply be the person restating their original position, i.e. not answering the question? if in the morning I let my husbands fix my car cause I don't know shit about cars while he is a mechanic and at 5 pm he didn't make any comments on how I should make the quiche because he never cooked one and I have done it since I was 5 d…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 05:40 PM
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Rather than ask a lot of questions and engaging in rhetorical grabassing just come out with it and cogently tell me what the issue is with the comment, i.e. show your "work" Edit: Hint -- based on every single comment you have made it truly seems like you do not understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 05:35 PM
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I don't know why after having completely read my comment and how it serves as an example of fallacious reasoning you would even be asking such questions or talking about how stats work. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 05:11 PM
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It's strange you would ask that question after having completely read my comment and how it serves as an example of fallacious reasoning. Maybe you could elaborate?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 04:58 PM
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Submission and co-operation are not the same thing; all activities in a relationship should be co-operative, but co-operation in many cases requires submission. In areas where I know more I generally expect her to yield unless she can demonstrate an equal knowledge footing. Working together to a common end, without more, requires equivalent expertise. Work is a type performance that brings about a result, i.e. operating by design in this sense. Submission usually connotes subsuming the will of s…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 04:54 PM
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The fact that women are mostly beaten, raped, and assaulted by men they choose proves that women do not care about their safety. Oftentimes, the women choosing admit that they did see red flags in their early interactions with the abuser but chose to prioritize 'love' over their own well being, and often at the expense of friends, family members, and current partners. See what I did there. Similar reasoning,
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 04:12 PM
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The OG incel Schopenhauer talked about this problem. Namely, man in the presence of a beautiful woman. She is designed by nature to call a man back to nature, and a man is called back by this clouding of his judgment via the libido. I mean, if men, in their normal lives were all philosopher-monks who pondered at life's deep questions, I guess love making them "stupid" would be a problem. Most men are already being stupid, so being stupid together with someone is an upgrade.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 08:13 AM
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More irony...aaaaaacccck. 😎 I broke my promise again. Edit: LMAO ChatGPT4 say: The Reddit exchange between "SeveralLiterature980" (the OP) and "g_broski" (the commenter) is a compelling demonstration of rhetorical skill and intellectual maneuvering. Here's a concise summary of the interaction: ​ 1. \*Initial Critique and Response**: The exchange begins with "g_broski" critiquing the OP's writing style as pretentious. The OP responds by inviting reflection on what provoked such a strong reaction,…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 06:41 AM
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Couldn't resist: what you're doing is point out the gap between your opinion of how smart your opinion of how smart I think I am is between your opinion of how smart I actually am. Nothing in my OP states any of that about my smarts. That's all you assuming and guessing...based on an emotional reaction in yourself. A reaction that compelled you to inject them into the conversation. Make them the focus of the conversation. When the OP is explicitly no such conversation. Rather than engage the OP …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 06:01 AM
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Do you often get so provoked by steaming piles of literary doodoo? And you're so smart you apparently missed what I said made the writing in one sense comparable to nietzsche. Hint: it came from you. Does the erotica section at Barnes and Noble earn an intense staredown standoff every time you walk past it before you lay out a similarly intense tirade against whatever title tickles your triggering? (neverminded that you can't spell pedantic properly) ah, irony --- well done, chap. Indeed, you ap…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 05:06 AM
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Indeed, feedback, from the random lurker-cum-writing judge supreme. I'm so sorry that you had to read such trivial dogshit that compelled you to virulently lash out against the author. I hate when inconsequential, boring, pedeantic, "dogshit," writing provokes such a rabid response. Oh the irony of saying I'm no nietzsche when demonstrating the very thing that makes and made nietzsche nietzsche --- the ability to provoke an extreme response, any response. You all just can't help yourselves but t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 04:35 AM
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You stopped reading after the first sentence and then felt the urge to comment. Hmmmmmm. I think there's a bit of rhetorical sleight-of-hand going on here. Pretty sneaky, sis.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 04:30 AM
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Whoa, Nelly, whoaaaaa. Take a breath, I understand that something has inflamed you. What has you so riled, so riled that this inconsequential, bs nothing of an OP, so roused your ire that you had to, needed to, could not refrain from commenting on it just to proclaim to the world how bad it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 04:29 AM
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The point was that I had firsthand knowledge of the intimate affairs of several bona fide alpha/Chads and at least former "hb10/10"/stacies via these divorce proceedings. And regarding how women treat men, yes I allude to the oversimplification in the OP. particularly, how women give access to sex and what Chads and Betas have to do to get it Yes broadly true, but it really collapses in the particulars, man. For example, setting a rule like "no sex on date 1 = she thinks you're a beta," is insan…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 02:30 AM
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He is probably overall more agreeable. But you are really doubting the ability of women to truly love these men. I'm unsure why. Maybe they lack the same sexual chemistry, but that alone fails to explain literally everything about the relationship. I've heard these women, all of them, talking about various men. The men who you would call "betas" for the most part, while the women conceded (not through anything I asked or intimated) that while they weren't quite the stud so-and-so was, 'man I rea…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 02:19 AM
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You write like you're Intimidated by my prose, to the point of it eliciting an immediate emotional reaction that triggered a defense mechanism necessitating that you attempt to reassert your (imagined, maybe needed) superiority by falling back on the shopworn "cool kid dropping big words" putdown. Pretty standard fare. After achieving the goal of assuaging your ego by bringing me back to an earth you were more comfortable with, you then admit that you had trouble understanding and comprehending …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 02:08 AM
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Because if you get married at all you're automatically turning leverage over to the woman. Outside of external tax/social benefits marriage is purely for the woman. True, and? Point blank, the alpha studs of higher standing are still getting married and that institution is thriving at the upper echelon. Also less sexual with them. I should have included an aside about this canard as well. No one is immune to sexual boredom. As I've said elsewhere: the blue pill, the red pill, and the black pill …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 12:22 AM
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No, my experience with ex wives along with my personal experiences, observations of other experiences, research and data. The ex-wives just offer another angle at the same phenomenon. And lol, when they have marriages lasting 10, 20, sometimes 25 years, no they were not old throughout the entire marriage. The dynamics that break up a marriage appear very early on in a marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 12:15 AM
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It really depends. The BB guys rarely experience the extreme disrespect and all out emotional warfare that alpha/Chad guys do.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 12:13 AM
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I suppose I'll take a compliment where I can get one.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/23 12:12 AM
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I mean, I think those men are resigned to a different fate.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 05:56 PM
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How many times are you going to talk about bs? What you sound like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pR7gM0xlgk It's good to see you recognize that you threw a jab and then received a right cross, left hook, and right uppercut to the liver; punchdrunk from serious IQ ordnance, you decided to back up before real damage was done. I see you, throwing tiny little jabs as you go back. You're a brave LGBTQ. Lesbians don't fight often, don't feel bad about yourself. I know, that other post is so great,…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 05:51 PM
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There are men with no women interested in them and men with many women interested in them, some on the same level or perhaps even better than whom he is currently with. I understand you are asserting this, but the general iron law of dating (men fuck across and down, women fuck across and up) which is based on general hypergamy are in contention with this assertion of yours. The main underlying assumption is that an alpha/chad would maximize the physical attractiveness of any woman he committed …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 05:43 PM
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Admittedly you keep switching up tactics and approaches; this one appears to be literal distraction. Although yes, stick to the prose level you're at, I say: gifs. Tell you what chief, go have a think and actually engage with the content of the post. Your insults, assumptions, frame machinations, and projection appears borne of an apparent....dislike of me "trying to sound smart," which is typically the hallmark of jealous or intimidated people.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 05:31 PM
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So you insult, assume as the first shots, then attempt to frame yourself as an adequate judge of the habits of successful people, which are apparently bound to the dictates of your taste? After asserting yourself into this position, you launch another series of insults and assumptions. You are very clearly someone who knows they are less smart than I and so resorts to...whatever dog and pony show this is. Do you think you're doing well? Edit: It's strange that you deem my writing ineffective, an…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 05:02 PM
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What do you mean "what options?" Desirable men have many women interested in them. That's what men desire to be - the type of man who has many women interested in him, even though there will never be men who interest every woman. Yes, a fantasy that collapses upon momentary inspection, real world experience as someone with a lot of options, or observation of several so-called such men (who even have admirers such as yourself around them). It's very simple. Every man already has many women intere…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 04:59 PM
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So, besides assuming nonsense like I posted anything on facebook in HS, what is your goal here by insulting and posturing? Are you in need of extra status?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 04:45 PM
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You would have to show that "emancipation" led to or contributed meaningfully to the decline in birth rates. Several other factors could be to blame. For example, the correlation between wealth and lower fertility has been well known for decades.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 04:39 PM
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If you have nothing meritorious to add beyond oblique insults, I understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 04:36 PM
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What options? The mistresses are pretty much never as hot as the wife, and in the rare instances that they are, the mistresses don't want him to leave the wife for her. With respect to the wife, i.e. a woman close to a man's physical parity, men have no power. If the options are not better than her, the actual effect on her is zero. So what power? The whole "real alpha men don't get married" stuff is annihilated by real world observation. In the real world, marriage is almost becoming like a con…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 04:29 PM
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Yes you can try and sell that motte and Bailey somewhere else friend. The concept of both the alpha male and chad reach far beyond "particular attractive to women." Just like the Wall reaches far beyond "women are generally m ore attractive when they are younger."
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 03:40 PM
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Yeah because it typically means she opens her legs as part of that edge.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 10:27 AM
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LOL I don't refrain from chasing because I care about looking too needy. I give no fucks about that ever. If anything, a lot of PUA tards would say the many instances when a girl is taking too long to respond to a key text like about when the date will occur or something like that and I send a pushy, impatient double text of '?' is "too needy." So be it. I'm processing the applicant as fast as possible through the pipeline, i.e. getting to "no" as fast as possible with the "maybe" girls so that …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 10:26 AM
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It comes down usually to a man’s overall value. I'd more say looks, because when you say value, the truth behind this truth becomes clearer. It's her perception of your value. And while associative learning for looks starts early and is culturally pervasive --- it's still learned. As a matter of cultural time and place it may as well be objective regarding consensus, but it is still fundamentally arbitrary and thus unreflective of your value as a man. So men have two options stay single OR IMPRO…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 09:21 AM
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For me, I think of it in terms of what needs would I want someone else to fill the closer and closer they got to me. Some needs are off limits completely because opening yourself up to another person to help meet those needs is suboptimal and harms the other needs being met. Off limits True Emotional vulnerability Weakness, fears, doubts, uncertainty For Partner Sexual validation Masculine validation; reckoning with your total value as a man and your traits skills, etc. for example if you have a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 08:53 AM
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All right, so then you believe that legality fully captures the broad spectrum of abusive behavior? And then the follow up question would be, if that is what you believe, and the OP condemns criticism and judgments that are abusive, where is your disagreement?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 12:09 AM
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You have to accept that boundary and anything outside of absolute acceptance is now abusive ACCORDING TO YOU. Yes, refusing to accept the fact that someone has placed boundaries is abusive. No, I don't have to sit there and listen. No, I don't have to care. No, I don't owe you a response at all. You don't get to call me abusive when by your own logic you're trying to abuse me for enforcing my boundaries. You keep repeating these locutions that again (1) assume a belief it is likely no one holds …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 12:07 AM
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Some types of judgment and criticism are abusive, so your eyesight may not be 20/20
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 11:45 PM
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Are you unable to answer my questions?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 11:44 PM
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because you and a lot of the men here will compare women’s completely legal, and sometimes innocent actions with illegal, violent and immoral activities. Has nothing to do with the OP. Why? Judging someone is on the same level as enslavement? The comparison is illogical and a poor reflection on you and men. Erecting a strawman. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum Was deployed to illustrate that if what is natural were what is good, then the second statement would be just as valid …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 11:43 PM
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Gaslighting is not abuse? Gaslighting very much is abuse. And gaslighting involves negating a person's perception of reality, i.e. telling them their intentions despite them having stated their intentions. You agree then that if someone insults, calls names, puts someone down, and all of that in response to a man simply stating a standard, that would be abuse. Which is good, because that happens often, ex 'if a woman does not commit after a month, i move on,' responses containing 'found the ince…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 11:36 PM
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I'm sorry, you seem to be under the impression that the OP recommended forcing anyone to do anything. The OP merely termed a certain class of behavior as abuse. Then, with this appeal to nature, you engaged in apologetics for abuse. I explained why an appeal to nature fails to justify abuse. Now you mysteriously derail into asking me questions about forcing people into an Orwellian thought police dystopia? First and last warning about the derailment and Rule 11 violation. Now that I got us back …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 11:32 PM
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PLEASE QUOTE WHERE THE OP, ME, OR ANYWHERE ON PURPLEPILL DEBATE EVEN WHERE ANY MAN HAS SERIOUSLY ADVOCATED FOR STATE SANCTIONED GIRLFRIENDS. If your response to this comment is anything beyond retraction of the statement or credible evidence supporting this claim, it's a block. Rule 4 and 11 violation.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 11:29 PM
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You care enough to believe people should do it. So do you not believe people should do it?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 11:28 PM
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No, sorry, you are incorrect, have been clearly shown that you are incorrect, and rather than continue in discussion will simply refuse the existence of a bare fact. There can be no other definition of a penalty for being male beyond its measure relative to treatment of females. Just as there can be no other definition of a penalty for being black beyond its measure relative to treatment of whites. I'm not going to tolerate people refusing reality to save their own egos. So either admit the fact…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 11:27 PM
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So, your evidence that interactions with police are biased way more against blacks than men comes from prison sentences rendered by judges (not police) for the same crime. That's just a simple non-sequitur. Although men have it worse, black people have it worst in that category. Men have it worse vs. women = penalty for being male. Blacks have it worse than whites = penalty for being black. The penalty for being male > penalty for being black. So no, it does the opposite of "support your point."
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 11:12 PM
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It's the opposite. You said people should respect one another. Respect is an entire set of social rituals and rules governing behavior, so indeed, it would be an obligation for you to do something for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 11:11 PM
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I said no one has to care. Someone can care, but that's their choice. If someone states "I am struggling with x" and the response is that "no one has to care about you or any of your struggles," do you not see why that response is functionally the same thing? Unless you think the person complaining literally believes we exist in a Police State of Compassion, which is doubtful. So what is the purpose of telling someone who opens up with a struggle something that they already know? Especially when…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 11:09 PM
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Do you understand that the normative belief of people mutually respecting one another in society is incompatible with the belief of no one owing anyone anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 10:58 PM
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You say that, but even here in this thread I have one woman outright saying that lying about someone's motivations for their standards even when they have stated those motivations is not abuse when it is literally gaslighting. I have another woman who has loudly proclaimed no one cares about a man's desires, hopes, dreams, etc. which is a hallmark of emotional abuse. All in reaction to a man having standards at all. Men do get shamed when they are obnoxious with their standards though. Explain o…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 10:57 PM
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Criticism for what, exactly?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 10:53 PM
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It's the truth? So you know for sure that no one cares about that person? Hmmm. Is it abuse when men say that women need to lower their standards or they're not worth commitment? This and your other questions are irrelevant to the OP. This is your second attempt at derailing. First and only warning: stop or be blocked. No, it's not abuse to have an opinion Some opinions are in fact per se abusive. For example, being told no one cares about you is an opinion that is abusive. Don't take my word fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 10:51 PM
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Across five studies (N = 5,204), we investigated implicit evaluations of targets varying in race, gender, social class, and age They studied all types of positive negative evaluations, so I'm unsure how that's a "narrow scope." The sample size required to generalize results at 95% confidence for a country of 300,000,000 is ~300 or so people. This had an N of 5,204, i.e. way more than enough to draw statistical inference more broadly to society at large. For example, when it comes to interactions…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 10:42 PM
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So the argument from nature or what people naturally do is uncompelling because there are a lot of things people did in our more primitive state that...for whatever reason...we no longer do, so that alone is meaningless. To wit, people have enslaved each other since the dawn of time, it's pretty much human nature to enslave, people are going to have to accept that as long as you're human born into society, you and everyone else are up for grabs in the slaving game. Same reasoning. There's a diff…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 10:25 PM
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I you believe that my OP stands for the proposition that "anything other than unquestioning acceptance is abuse the way" I've phrased it? Are you referring to this entire passage? "So, if a man states that he has x standard for anything regarding his time and his attention and the conditions under which he will continue to give it to anyone, and the response is anything beyond outright acceptance, the response is just textbook abusive behavior. It is attempting to invalidate personal boundaries,…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 10:14 PM
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Guys saying high n count, obese, and ugly women don't deserve commitment from Chad are abusing them. Shame on you all. "Textbook abuse" I'm sorry, this OP has nothing to do with any of that. Stop trying to derail. pursue happiness doesn't mean you have the right or guarantee to attain it. No one has to give a shit about your boundaries or your entitlement. They're yours alone and your happiness is yours alone. It's not the obligation of anyone else to bend to fulfill. Do you believe that telling…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 10:08 PM
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That is literally what the study concluded. So are you saying that the study is wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 10:06 PM
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There will be no equivocation here, the definition of entitlement I am using is (1) from the dictionary and (2) stated in the OP. Personal standards that you want to be treated with are called social expectations, and nobody is entitled to their expectations An expectation is the belief that something will happen in the future, which is different from entitlement, which concerns something we believe we deserve. Do you see That you ignored my definition that I used, shoehorned your own, warped th…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 10:06 PM
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So something beyond the purview of the OP
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 09:10 PM
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So women never criticize or shame men for having these standards, according to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 09:10 PM
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Lying about someone's motives, though, to you is not abusive?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 09:08 PM
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Then you believe that refusing to accept someone's right to run their life as they see fit is not abusive. So do you believe that one cannot both unquestionably accept something and disagree with it? Do you believe that insulting someone or mischaracterizing their intentions is abusive?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 09:07 PM
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Would you say that mischaracterizing someone's intention or insulting them is a type of abuse?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 08:25 PM
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Yes refusing to accept someone's right to conduct their life as they see fit would be abusive. You seem to be arguing that it is impossible to disagree with someone's way of conducting their life and avoid being abusive under my formulation. Is that correct?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 08:13 PM
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So then you do not agree with what you just said about people not having to accept his standards? I see. So people who verbally rebuke someone for having their own standards for their life or judge him for merely having them are not abusing him? To me suggesting that someone is somehow not entitled to run their own affairs how they see fit or insulting them for doing so certainly seems abusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 08:03 PM
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Hmmm, but what would a third party be "forced to accept?" Merely the notion that the man has his own standards for how he conducts his life. So you are saying he cannot have whatever standards he wants for his life? 😀
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 07:57 PM
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First and only warning: nowhere does it say never interact with women, nor did I ever say that. Rephrase.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 07:54 PM
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That's patently false. Men have been told that they are being abusive, wanting to use women for sex, never going to find a woman who meets their standards unless she's desperate, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 07:42 PM
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Good thing I didn't say I was doing any of that. Goodbye!
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 07:34 PM
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She's a porn actress. DUCY this is meaningless? Once again. There are hotter women with the same positive qualities the women you now date have that are harder for you to get.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 06:04 PM
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Yes. Women and male women defenders become enraged and hysterical whenever a man lays out standards or conditions on interacting with women. Generally, if those who represent the mainstream are pissed off about a proposition merely being stated, it means that the proposition is not the majority or mainstream view.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 05:48 PM
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Yeah that's a nice rationalization. I'll leave you to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 05:44 PM
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Lol there definitely are hotter women that are tougher for you to get. 100% certain of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 05:21 PM
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No I mean subconsciously you aren't aiming that high. Any guy bragging about he won't commit is just dating down.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 04:49 PM
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You're just aiming low. Start aiming higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 04:18 PM
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No one owes you anything: especially baseline empathy. See how tough I sound! What do you wanna do.....LEGALIZE RAPE? hahaha ha. Sorry I'm just tossing out tropes
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 09:11 AM
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Online, yes. In real life lol no
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/23 09:09 AM
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All that and you couldn't respond to my last comment. Unsurprising. Point blank, does the study say what I just said it says or does it not.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 08:14 AM
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How is it beside the point when the study focused on the difference between male and female orgasms derived from sex multiple times? It was a very relevant section of the study, it was almost the central focus of it. That is not what the study focused on. In the current study, this research gap was addressed by: (1) investigating differences between young men and women (aged 17 to 25 years) in sense of entitlement to sexual partner pleasure and sexual self-efficacy over 1-year with two waves of …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 08:13 AM
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But the study only made one finding. The information you quoted was cited as general background for the study itself. So again, are you disputing the study's finding or are you agreeing with it?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 08:05 AM
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IN MY EXPERIENCE, even if the woman in question is very inexperienced, it won't make that much of a difference if she's highly sexually attracted to you. But your general point is well taken --- the rule is case by case. A woman who has a history of pretty much making men wait will be evaluated differently than a woman who is more ehm 'split' in that requirement. And if she's taking advantage of you, then you should move on. https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueUnpopularOpinion/comments/18fhjap/generall…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 08:02 AM
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Please answer my questions that were in response to an accusation you made. If you would like to retract your accusation, feel free to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 07:39 AM
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Yes, you and many others have engaged in quite the slanderous, odious campaign against me. And been soundly defeated to the point of whimpering insults, bad mischaracterizations of my emotions, asserting propositions contra the study itself, etc. According to you, I suppose young women do not place more emphasis than young men on the role of a sexual partner to meet their sexual desires and pleasure.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 07:31 AM
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So you accept the main finding of the study that women feel more entitlement to sexual pleasure than men? We can address more your thoughts on the reasons behind this after we can get this straight
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 07:23 AM
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I mean, before we address that notion, the first point is that whether women are able to realize their goals for pleasure is besides the point that they feel more entitled to a male's body for their pleasure. Your speculation about the reason for this being that women believe their desire is secondary to male pleasure, is strange. It's kind of a leap to believe that in a dyadic interaction where they feel more entitled, they somehow feel that men deserve more pleasure than they do. I'd say a mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 07:17 AM
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Ah, it's okay, not everyone can understand what they read the first time round. Go ahead and give it another try for comprehension. Or, if you have a question or comment, just go ahead and make it. Don't be shy :)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 07:13 AM
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This finding compliments the broader research on gender difference in sexual development and behavior [38], which indicates young women place more emphasis than young men on the role of a sexual partner to meet their sexual desires and pleasure\.** I mean, people can keep arguing with what the authors themselves have said about the study and its finding all they want. They're just eager to bring me down and the more I show they are incorrect, the more they resort to lying, insults, etc. It has b…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 07:11 AM
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Jesus [I love when people dehumanize other people and lie about their motivations and intentions]. You should seek help for your sadism :)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 07:09 AM
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You seem to have engaged in good faith. I disagree that therapy does much of anything; a lot of therapy is glorified gaslighting. However, we can agree that the issue of alienation and loneliness come from similar places in men and women but we might disagree on those sources. I personally believe it is the natural consequence of a socially stratified society composed of invisible arbitrary hierarchies that --- I suppose served us well at some point (doubtful) --- but today are doing nothing for…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 06:58 AM
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Yeah, unfortunately people in this society are conditioned to hate other people. And so when certain groups of designated undesirables dare open their mouths to proclaim humanity, they are viciously and sadistically silenced.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 06:30 AM
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Hm. No one owes anyone anything, though. So if the child is the result of the woman's choice to have it, then only the woman owes the child anything, not the man, if he did not consent to parenthood. But no, sorry, if consent to sex doesn't create consent to parenthood for women, it can't be said to do that for men --- without hypocrisy, of course ​ :D
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 06:26 AM
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Ah, so when all of these findings are considered, they suggest that young women may be at least slightly more entitled than young men in their sense of entitlement? That's a misunderstanding? Or that entitlement refers to a sexual partner giving an individual pleasure and eliciting desire?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 06:21 AM
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You are the one desperately trying to mischaracterize the situation and me rather than discuss anything. Because you believe dehumanizing people is a good way to address issues, aka abuse and bullying. What is it about abuse you enjoy so much?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 06:12 AM
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Nothing. It's just anarchy out on the streets. Bedlam. Reciprocity doesn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 06:11 AM
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(1) Women help enforce patriarchy. Women accepting this means they have to take accountability for their own actions in enforcing it. (2) Yes in a trivial sense. Not in a sense that suggests they're committed to helping all who suffer from it. (3) This is false. (4) Irrelevant and nonsensical "argument." A group can simply lobby for something. It's possible. It happens all the time. You apparently believe that the body positivity movement must be impossible because its proponents "don't control …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 06:10 AM
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Reread the five bullet points and understand why that's actually built into them. I understand that engaging in bad faith and desperately reaching and reaching to invoke the fantasy rape dystopia is very tempting. But it's just derailment.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 06:07 AM
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You're just asserting things you can't support (because you know you'll end up like the others) and invoking concepts you don't understand (hint: it's not moving goalposts if I ask you a question that would prove the same point as the other evidence I cited). Just. Well I guess stick to what you're doing. It's all you can do.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 06:03 AM
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This finding compliments the broader research on gender difference in sexual development and behavior [38], which indicates young women place more emphasis than young men on the role of a sexual partner to meet their sexual desires and pleasure. Well, according to the study itself, it does. I'm eyerolling you because you should know better. The study says what I said it says and this is an entire motivated reasoning (and very piss poor at that) to spin a straightforward finding into something, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 06:01 AM
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You are silly, that's ok. A lot of silly women in the comments saying silly things. I take the Jesus way. But unfortunately, you still do not seem to understand what was said in the OP. If you need clarification, just ask.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:57 AM
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Oooh, sorry, still not even in the ball park. Reread the OP for comprehension, then try again when you understand what was said.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:51 AM
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All that saliva dripping out of your mouth is gross. The misquoting however, is pretty common with the illiterate. Reread the OP for comprehension, then try again when you understand what was said.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:44 AM
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So much asserted, so little demonstrated, assumption of ignorance warranted
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 05:39 AM
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This is a new adventure in Rhetorical Gambits to Derail Discussion --- assuming that I have not proven a point I never made. Indeed, you may as well argue with all the phantoms you want. When you've read and comprehended the OP correctly, try again.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 04:59 AM
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Compared to the powerhouse of nothing you have. Hey, quick question, if no one is owed anything, women aren't owed child support right? After all, her choosing to be a parent does not force his decision to be a parent. Intercourse doesn't count as her consent to be a parent because women believe they have the right to an abortion, after all. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 04:56 AM
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Read if you want to talk, comprehend to be taken seriously, otherwise quit talking.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 04:51 AM
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I suggest you reread for comprehension because the FFSI measures entitlement to sexual desire and pleasure and in the context of a sexual act between man and woman the source of both is the partner's body. So no, you're incorrect. And if you believe that women feeling more entitled to male bodies for pleasure than vice versa (you know opposite the general mainstream notions), then I guess you think being entitled is fine....sometimes....just not when it's men who are lonely. Unsure what you're t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 04:32 AM
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You're right. Which the post states is why feminism is going to lose. Again. Lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 04:28 AM
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More non-sequiturs from the desperate to smear brigade.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 04:27 AM
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Mmmm nice try to spin it but this time try to actually understand it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 04:25 AM
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I probably hate women the least of all men. I'd like to think that's because I know them really well due to experience. But it could also just be laziness --- hate takes up a lot of emotional bandwidth. I'm pretty lazy for stuff that isn't serving me. Regarding men who sleep around, it depends. Ever since puberty I've had a fairly easy time with women. And that experience combined with my penchant for analytics just has granted me an increasing font of knowledge. I know another guy who's short a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 04:20 AM
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If your 'yes' pool of women is large enough, it's pretty easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 04:12 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/18gbauf/comment/kcztsqb/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 I already have, several times. The fact that you are "unable" to think of anything beyond fantasy rape dystopia. (We both know it's coming). Or really think of any response on your own to the suffering of an entire group of people is pretty telling. But like I said, me personally I don't care what women do. It's gravy for me no matter what you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 04:05 AM
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Understand that women can enforce and support patriarchy as well via rewarding hegemonic masculinity Understand that patriarchy is responsible for the suffering of these men Understand that attraction is virtually 100% culturally determined FOR BOTH MEN AND WOMEN Understand that a wider phenotypic diversity for men present in media would help this issue, just like it has for women (that's how you know the other side is disingenuous, it's already deployed methods to make current beauty standards …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 04:03 AM
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My requirements for women for what? I don't care what women do either way. Do you know why? Because given the way the last 40 years have played out women are going to lose. That's not true. If they developed empathy and attempted to understand what these men were getting at, and the dynamics at work, and how hegemonic masculinity and the patriarchy are responsible for it all, wow...you could see some real progress, the kind old school feminism said would one day happen. But that ain't the world …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 03:59 AM
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I'm sorry I'm not your research assistant. It's not my job to brief you about the topics you speak about. Typically, when people want to talk about a subject, especially one that involves them attempting to grandstand and moralize an issue to pathologize entire demographics of people for experiencing their suffering, you'd think they would know a little about it. Not you, of course. You just world hypothesis your way into more or less saying they're undeveloped people and need to develop their (…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 03:57 AM
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I mean "no one owes anyone anything" is laughably false and is disconfirmed with a basic sociology 101 understanding of society, but regardless... ...ignoring, trivializing, or being unempathetic toward human suffering never ends well.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 03:44 AM
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Yeah this Jedi/Buddhist/Shaolin, whatever blah blah needs to stop. Point blank, when you find yourself speaking at odds with basic human needs, maybe it's time to reflect on the motivations behind what you're saying. Maybe it's time to reflect on how it would sound being swapped in for any other innumerable human needs on the same order as romantic love, i.e. parental love, friendship. Next, once you're done honestly answering your questions and realizing that their truthful answers are heinous,…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 03:42 AM
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You cited a huge irrelevant paragraph, then another barely relevant one. eyeroll "Esq." They used the Female Sexual Subjectivity Inventory. The FSSI entitlement dimension is entitlement to sexual desire and pleasure https://revistalatinoamericanadepsicologia.konradlorenz.edu.co/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/09_19233.pdf In other words, entitlement to sexual desire and pleasure; entitlement to these feelings necessitates an external input, i.e. the use of a partner's body for those purposes. Or at l…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 03:36 AM
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I'll leave you to your lazy imagination. It's not on me to gift you with empathy, creativity, or compassion. Put it this way, women seem to believe they are entitled to a man assuming a father's role in child's life, at least via state mandated child support. If a woman consenting to unprotected sex is not consent to parenthood, hence why abortion is supported, then the same should be true of men. What do you want him to do? Support some child he doesn't want by a chick he doesn't dig? LOL you c…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 03:29 AM
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The tangent = lots of facts about where the country is currently heading, i.e. declining economic prospects for women alongside growing hostility toward women, alongside women (unknowingly) fanning the flames of masculinities that are both sexist to the exclusion of all else. What's so wrong with everyone just leaving everyone else alone? You seriously ask that in a country filled near to the brim with entitlements? Everyone leaving everyone else alone means, hey, you know those laws forcing a m…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 03:19 AM
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"At Time 1 (T1), young women reported more entitlement than young men. Age was positively associated with T1 entitlement, and experience with a wider range of partnered sexual behaviors was concurrently associated with more entitlement and efficacy and was also associated with increased entitlement to partner pleasure and increased self-efficacy in achieving sexual pleasure at T2 relative to T1."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 03:15 AM
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"At Time 1 (T1), young women reported more entitlement than young men. Age was positively associated with T1 entitlement, and experience with a wider range of partnered sexual behaviors was concurrently associated with more entitlement and efficacy and was also associated with increased entitlement to partner pleasure and increased self-efficacy in achieving sexual pleasure at T2 relative to T1."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/23 03:14 AM
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Orgasms happen due to high sexual arousal. Accept reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 10:30 PM
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Physiologically the high arousal before the orgasm counts too. You're confusing intimacy with sexual desire. Point blank women can feel sexual desire for just about anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 09:12 PM
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I agree, it has to do with RAW SEXUAL AROUSAL. Standards are made up arbitrary signals of self status. Point being, any random man can get off a woman. Moreover there have been studies showing women get aroused by....sexual images of anything. And that their arousal doesn't track at all with their ratings of attraction
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 05:23 PM
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The problem stems from people being unwilling to take accountability for their dating decisions. "It's just biology!" "I just like what I like!" You live in a cradle to grave psyop mindfuck conditioning every desire you have. Said it before I'll say it again, if female sexual standards were truly sky-high and not the result of artifice, they wouldn't orgasm 30% of the time from random men who rape them. In reality most every guy is capable of getting most any woman wet and aroused. Stated prefer…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/23 02:48 PM
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Unless you move way out in Hills Have Eyes country, I have bad news. That woman is always going to have options. Forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/23 04:14 AM
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Simps aren't to blame for women feeling like they essentially are the table. Open your eyes and view almost all popular media. Men have been consistently presented as either clueless, naive, slovenly losers, or boorish, vain, egotistical man children. Women have been consistently presented as level headed, virtuous, but also not virtuous which is a virtue, when she wants it to be, tough, courageous, passionate, sexy but on her terms and in her own way, etc. No need for simps to gas up anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/23 07:37 PM
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So you're saying that lying and deception, valid reproductive strategies throughout the animal kingdom, are especially predacious? You can exploit female hypergramy without putting on an act at all. Donald Trump has successfully exploited the shit out of female hypergamy without putting on any act at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 01:53 AM
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Getting you to know what the fuck you're talking about? True. It seems I'm failing.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 01:52 AM
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Well, if you accept female hypergamy as true and even worthy of teaching, and predators exploit power imbalances for their own benefit, you have a real big problem. You accept that these power imbalances are the source of female attraction (hypergamy), yet believe that men exploiting them for their benefit (successful courtship) is predation. Hop, skip, and a step away from all sex being some flavor of rape. Which interestingly enough is a somewhat fringe feminist position.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 12:27 AM
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So you're ignorant of this topic you're trying to speak of. Head to the land of google, where you will find the remedy to your ignorance.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/23 12:23 AM
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This stupid hot take needs to die already. To be nice means to tend to others’ needs for your own self purpose, whether it be to get others to like you or to get something out of them. Literally not the actual definition of "nice." So we are off to a great start. Nice can mean polite or kind, because people who hold this shopworn viewpoint like to remove 'kindness' from 'niceness,' let's just say it's politeness: marked by an appearance of consideration, tact, deference, or courtesy https://www.…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 08:31 PM
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I know some men won't want to hear this because they know there's a chance that if they stop approaching women, then they'll stop getting laid. But I think it's now time for men to collectively start looking beyond sex and getting attention from women and instead get some self respect and stop chasing and giving attention to people who don't actually even care about you as a person. I say this because, unfortunately, most women only like men for what they can get from them and how they make them…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 08:20 PM
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I disagree that 1 and 2 are "most advice targeted at men." A man who "works on himself" in his 20's, i.e. gets fit, gets educated, gets a career, and gets his income on track will be in a good position during his 30's. People who bemoan "social skills" have fallen for society's nonsensical reification of "social skill" as something other than a basic innate ability we all have. Social acumen is merely the ability to recognize and maintain, defend, or increase one's place in the current social hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 08:14 PM
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Men and women are creating single mothers. It takes two to tango. And no, every time a man has sex with a woman without protection (life isn't FRIENDS --- most babies are the result of unprotected sex to completion), he should be aware of the possible consequences. A man wanting a woman to get an abortion is meaningless. The act itself should serve as his consent. Hence, men and women are equally to blame. Also, this take is amusing because it's an attempt for men to avoid accountability for som…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 08:06 PM
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No, not at all. The alpha male posturing is just as prevalent as it ever was.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 08:04 PM
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Can you present the evidence or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 07:11 PM
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K go find research finding that anything beyond variance and looks matter in actual female mating decisions at near zero acquaintance
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 03:26 PM
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Most women don't like casual sex and much prefer sex within relationships. That's true. However, most are willing to "try before you buy" with casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/23 05:58 AM
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YOUR BEHAVIOR HAS 0 RELEVANCE TO WHETHER A WOMAN YOU DO NOT KNOW LIKES YOU
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 11:00 PM
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The vast majority of women don't ride the CC literally. Maybe they have a ONS or two, or a few FwBs, but the vast majority of sex women have is in relationships. average guys don't lie to women to get sex. they offer commitment in exchange for sex. and lol, 'chads' lie to women all the goddamned time for the purpose of getting sex. who told you otherwise? the reason for the Iron law of Casual sex --- men fuck across or down women fuck across or up --- is because sex is a bargaining chip for wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 10:02 PM
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While I disagree with 2-4 in every case, 1 is true. The vast majority of women don't care that much it seems.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 09:48 PM
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Untrue :)
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 09:47 PM
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These days I either wear a condom or pull out. Back in my misspent youth, I just did whatever. Eventually after some pregnancy scares and miscarriages and an abortion (all different people), I did get an oops baby. IME it's tough. In the moment I can count on two hands the number of times the woman insisted on using protection/brought it up. I'm sure a chorus of 'ya cause they're all whores' will rise, but that isn't the case. Guys who can get casual sex typically are the ones who have the optio…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 09:47 PM
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35 is the cut-off for geriatric pregnancy, not fertility. So toss that out the window, which tosses the entire analysis out the window.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 09:44 PM
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Yeah you both can't come in condescend in the first instance and fail basic reading comprehension in the next and expect to be taken seriously. I'll leave you to think whatever you want. Grade: D
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 06:41 PM
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They didn't answer my question. Congratulations, you also can't read.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 02:49 PM
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Lol Reread my question to you and try again, pointdexter.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 12:34 PM
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I'm certainly more statistically literate than you are, it's on you to figure out why those niggle niggle pedantisms escaped the final edit of the OP. Good luck!
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 10:54 AM
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Well, you're off to the motivated reasoning races so I'll let you run your laps
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 05:07 AM
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That would be "talking about it."
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 04:25 AM
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It's an editorial of a journal.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 04:24 AM
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And as you read this fairytale aloud to yourself, you failed to understand that the story. provided. no. incentive. to help or accommodate the women. no eunuchs were ever made --- eunuchs aren't competitive enough to make innovations in industry that are necessary, nor competitive enough or desirous of companionship enough to accept exploitation. Jesus shook his head and wept --- another one deceived by Satan and the Jews. the men provided lifetime next VALUE. the women, as a matter of fact, DID…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 04:00 AM
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Thank god that I consulted all the elite men who control society who don't give a shit about women and only care about power and exploitation and understand that women are a net negative fiscal lifetime impact on an economy. I explained that the 63% of young male human capital, much of which possessed a higher than average IQ --- because that negatively correlates with romantic success, could be put to better use. And not only that but happy in his exploitation. By this time, the devil worshippi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 03:24 AM
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Bruh this is huge. The Wokest country since Woke came to Woke town published an editorial agreeing with straight up "incel" viewpoints (not that they ever were, they were just facts). The article even seriously considered Jordan Peterson's culturally enforced monogamy. The article frames it as a legitimate public health concern.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 03:07 AM
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The article itself talks about culturally enforced and sanctioned monogamy. I guess the socialist democracy of Denmark are just a bunch of incels! maniacal laugh Men are gonna win....like they always do...in the end.... If you can be glib so I can I. It's only fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 03:04 AM
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So the 20-something women with no kids of their own were all just lying to me, then?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 02:20 AM
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There's no such thing as a subtle YET tell-tale sign from women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 12:20 AM
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You're confusing female attraction with female retainment.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 05:39 PM
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That's not how it works. Social circle game necessitates more tact than cold approaching or OLD --- that's mostly the reason why I use those other avenues. Social circle approaches, however, typically develop over a longer time period. Weeks, maybe months. It's the ideal setting for a so-called "normal/beta" man to find a partner. A good social circle is one that is a revolving door for women around the right age. At each meetup some girls will gravitate toward particular guys. Over time, the fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 04:42 PM
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Empty and trivial --- most everyone's problems are the result of the historical and cultural forces that have shaped today rather than anything intrinsic to them as people. On an individual level most men suffer mainly because they are brainwashed and ignore the proper advice for how to conduct their dating lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 02:49 PM
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(1) She flat out tells you you're good looking/hot/handsome (2) She smiles a lot and seems enthusiastic and responsive to you (3) Is comfortable being in your personal space, close to you, and touching you --- even doing so affirmatively (4) laughs at your stupid jokes (you're not funny) (5) She has sex with you; she has sex with you fairly quickly
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 02:47 PM
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happier as a childfree eternal bachelor like Leo. In the short-term life without a child is happier, but as time goes on and moments aggregate, there really isn't even a comparison. ... As a single dad in his 30s, your last musings concur with my and other single dads I know's experiences. Women are often eager to meet my son far sooner than I'd want them to and want to build a relationship. And the fact that I have a close relationship with him and see him often tends to draw them closer to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 01:20 PM
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This isn't true. Younger women come off as more carefree because they generally have more enthusiasm for life and less baggage. Even when they're serious and pressing you for family/kids/relationships. All of it just is delivered with a sort of zest that older women (people, really) lack. Because you can’t be carefree and a responsible parent at the same time Mmm. Me and the mother of my kid had some great times as new parents. But we had extended family to help watch him, which could be the dif…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 01:16 PM
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Sure they do. But you're right that they aren't common.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 01:10 PM
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Lol dating my 30s has been awesome. Regularly date/hookup with women 10+ years younger, get with the really hot older ones. Idk. Can't complain. If you allow yourself to waste time with bad leads though, I can imagine it sucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 01:09 PM
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Google is your friend
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 12:54 PM
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If a girl yells 'STOP HARASSING ME' and you just bounce --- walk off --- IMMEDIATELY, you'll be fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 11:54 AM
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Women passing off superficial judgments as character judgments, i.e. creepy, confident, weird, awkward, etc. is less of a problem than men taking those judgments seriously. What you've described, however, fails to strike me as anything different from typical masculinity. If anything, that entire attitude has softened as time has worn on.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 11:51 AM
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The observation that an ideological worldview selects for those likely to experience positive benefits concordant with that worldview is nothing special. However The blue pill by and large is correct --- outside the context of short-term mating proceeding from zero acquaintance. Personality over time does count and does trump looks. More marriages than TRP believes are happy, loving, and sexual for their duration --- even with so-called "beta" males. TRP also contributes to the hyperagency of me…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 11:47 AM
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This response stretches reality past credulity. If the blue pill works for 89-92% of humans, then why are 63% of men 18-29 not bothering with dating? Disconfirmed by simple inspection.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 11:41 AM
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Men today are very scared of approaching. Some of it I can see, but most of it I really struggle to understand. A lot of the justification comes down to "but wat iff she doesn't wiiiiiike me, wat if she's meeeeean?" Who gives a shit? Regardless of what she does or says to reject you (unless you've had a really bad day and she's the cherry on top then you can be a little mean lol), be polite and say "have a good night," and move on. At lot of the time just being chill and composed can force them …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/23 09:59 AM
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You expect me to believe that you a "confederate pill man," suggesting you live in the south, has never been aroused in any way by a chubby woman? Give me a break, dude. 70% of the US female population is overweight or obese. The answer to whether you have only been aroused by 30% of the female population as a normal red-blooded male or not, is definitively no.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 10:32 PM
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That's just embarrassing dude. Most of the women who are 'judging you' probably are like 2 SD lower in IQ than you are ---- that's the literal difference between a normal person and a CLINICAL MORON.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 10:02 PM
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(1) Why are you giving a shit what women say about these nebulous things? (2) You read too much into what women say: your self-esteem I CAN GUARANTEE YOU has almost 0% to do with you not getting dates.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 09:47 PM
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I think men are still exposed to rejection or at least the fear of rejection quite early. But society empowers the rejectors, especially women. Men truly believe that women have mystical 'confidence/personality/character/compatibility' detectors that can instantly snuff out 'misogynists/insecurity/bad character/rapist/abuser/etc.' ^ that notion is what has to go.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 09:05 PM
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There are problems with your first three 'stats' you cited. Suffice to say, those facts are either wrong or wildly distorted. Other people will probably point it out though, so I'm not going to waste time with that. If almost half of the women have a backup that means she wasn't attracted to you in the first place and guys know that. That's not what that means. If anything, it's pretty easy to spot who her Plan B is if you take any interest in her life. If it's some super nice, sweet, friendly g…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 08:55 PM
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Scientifically? No, you're incorrect. Pseudo-scientifically? Oh, explanations abound.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 08:40 PM
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Most men LARP like they can exercise standards in this dating market. My own gf is very skinny, but holy shit I wish she had 30 to 40 more pounds on her, honestly I fucking worship larger sized women, at least the ones that don't have overly chubby faces. Literally ideal bodies, fuck. Ironically, this reads like the typical female post praising short men. "My own bf is 6'3...but maaaan if he were shorter, it'd be so much easier to kiss and stuff tee hee!"
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 08:39 PM
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If the blue pill by default is the mainstream accepted reality, it cannot be the red pill. DUCY, even if they think the red pill is false? Regardless, you're just derailing, you now understand that blue pill = mainstream worldview. You concede that there is a mainstream worldview. So we're done here.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 09:01 AM
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That's what I just said lol
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 06:45 AM
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Okay, so then you do not understand what 'the blue pill' means. Hint: if the red pill represents waking up from a fake reality what does the blue pill represent by design?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 12:48 AM
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Your position is that there is no general mainstream view of how dating works and gender dynamics. Manifestly incorrect.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/23 12:45 AM
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Not really TRP also believes personality matters as well. It just differs regarding what personality traits matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 10:31 PM
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It's not that tedious if you screen and cut to the chase.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 10:29 PM
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Not really. The blue pill = men care about looks, women care about personality confidence matters a lot love is unconditional most every negative appraisal of a woman is wrong or not her fault More or less, the mainstream. My view definitely is not blue pill. Edit: note that another commenter pretty much repeated what I said regarding the blue pill, so it's definitely its own worldview
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 08:18 PM
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Your confidence with women = 0, because you no longer try. Your self-worth = intact Your resilience = unk, depends on your circumstances. self-respect = unk, depends on circumstances. That's being generous. At the bare minimum, giving up means no confidence. However, giving you the benefit of the doubt that your circumstances made giving up a rational, reasonable choice, then no disrespect there.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 08:16 PM
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Lol nope. Even among the women who approach you, your results won't be as different as you think. Like unless you're holding hands with these people all the way throughout the entire interaction you don't know what's going on.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 06:28 PM
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I'd say he'd get warmer reactions but that his results wouldn't be that much different. People are way into fantasy over reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 06:08 PM
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A big part of women being more emotionally stable and treating you well comes from the power differential. Hotter women who are closer to your level are likely to be less stable in the relationship. I've been with 10's and 8's and 6's all with "trauma" and "baggage" and 'past issues," and guess what? Without fail, the ones who put out more drama and bullshit related to it correlated almost perfectly with those ratings. It's not an accident. Are the less attractive ones just better people and mor…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 05:53 PM
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Sure, dude. Just a slightly above average dude. You see this all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 05:45 PM
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LOL another security blanket. 'Good' decision making: according to who? you? Self awareness. Again, that's just chaining yourself to the external judgments of others. In social circle settings, it may be worth taking that into account due to reputation concerns, but in the anonymous sandbox of cold approach or online dating? For the birds. Reasoning? This doesn't make sense at all. His reasoning is sound to approach all these women. I didn't see a single woman who wouldn't be lucky to have this …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 05:37 PM
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Not really If you know how to get laid, you can get into a relationship. You may fuck up the relationship because relationship management is an orthogonal skilllset to attraction. Readers who are confused by that fact are mentally lazy
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 05:31 PM
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No dude you don't get to claim these traits and also give up. Pick one.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 05:29 PM
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https://reason.com/2016/03/11/american-prostitution-study/ I mean yeah maybe, maybe a bit less because I think the pool of men who can afford to provide resources is fairly low. So like 10-20%. It's hard to pin down an exact number because it's a very opaque area of society. I 100% believe that the stats are under reported, like the above survey pegs it at around 10%. To me that indicates the extent is much higher than that because a lot of women (and men) will rationalize themselves out of seei…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 05:28 PM
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FYI you're engaging in motivated reasoning here. But yeah seriously 30% at some point or another
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 09:02 AM
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No woman does. You likely are some combination of aiming too far out of your league + nothing standout besides sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 01:56 AM
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https://www.knowledgeformen.com/undercover-sugar-daddy-on-seekingarrangement/#:~:text=This%20means%20that%20of%20the,sugar%20babies%20in%20the%20past. Just by the NUMBERS on this site, 10% of women are undercover sugar babies in the US. All sugar babies aren't on this site. That's not including OF girls. That's not including female porn (pro and amateur) stars. That's not including women who have softer arrangements, i.e. sex-for-rent, sex-for-bills. 30% is a pretty conservative estimate.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 01:19 AM
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I don't think they're dumb a lot of the time. Women can be vicious and ignorant. I think misogynistic men could just as easily treat pretty women worse than ugly ones because the pretty ones have rejected them more (by odds) in the past
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 01:17 AM
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Very attractive women can get away with that behavior because it's a very real status boost for a man to be seen talking with a very hot woman who seems to be enjoying his company. The rest is bleh. It really comes down to the personality of the woman. I've seen dudes lash out at 10/10 women because those women were brash, cocky, and rude.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 01:02 AM
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Lol what kind of hoe phase did you have? I mean, idgaf about any bodycount because I'm kind of a hoe. But, I'd say a hoe phase that includes more than like 20 partners or something would raise eyebrows. Also, the question becomes --- why didn't any of those guys want to commit? Tons of dudes tried before buying and none of them decided to buy? HMMMM. For me, it's not a hoe phase that matters. It's just how a woman shows up. Women who play a lot of stupid games around when sex should happen tell …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 01:00 AM
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LOL NO. Effectively everywhere the mating pool for women is majority women skewed. Why? Because women EXCLUDE most men as a matter of course ANYWAY. Liberal/conservative make no difference. That is not why people get into relationships for the most part.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 12:56 AM
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LOL Prostitution is already de facto legal when you consider sugar babies, cam girls, OF girls, sex-for-rent arrangements, etc. I'd guess that probably 30% of women have engaged in some soft form of prostitution. however prostitution being legal won't solve the problem men have, because men not getting laid is not the main problem. it's a lack of relationships/intimacy that goes along with a sexual relationship, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 12:51 AM
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Your OP talks about how people say it's impossible to find women who aren't promiscuous. Because the average woman has 7 or so partners, I'd say it shouldn't be difficult to find non-promiscuous women. Unless you literally mean 'virgins.'
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 10:50 PM
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Let me know when you've learned how to use google.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 09:53 PM
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You can try and assert your way out of reality all you like. Do a quick google search for why what you said is empirically out of universe. Literally nothing of what you said is real, right down to the "they simply talk to their brothers and help each other out." LMAO
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 09:25 PM
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LOL To get help and emotional support requires you ask for it in some way = showing weakness. Women are praised and rewarded for doing so. Men, as your little internally contradictory screed demonstrates, are punished for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 08:59 PM
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https://www.statista.com/statistics/191226/reported-forcible-rape-rate-in-the-us-since-1990/ DUC a trend? And dummkopf, in polygynous societies it's a fact that sexual violence and rape against women is more prevalent.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 08:33 PM
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1 in 5 men don't. Once again, reread what I just said about how men and women are conditioned to interact. Men are punished for sharing and showing weakness. So what use are family and friends when that is what is reflected back at you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 08:19 PM
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You think a 1950s woman would date an unemployed drug addict? Fuck no. LOL dude like 1/5th of the US population was in poverty in the 50s, so definitely a lot of bummy guys were fucking. In reality, meeting female companions is all about luck and circumstance. Looks + variance explain pretty much all initial dating decisions, yes. There are unemployed, drug dealing, personality disordered, futureless good-for-nothings who have absolutely no problem finding female companionship. Meanwhile, there …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 08:11 PM
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In real life there is no obsession with female purity. Further, why do people try to desperately to paint present day behaviors and traits with biological hard-wiring? People love repeating that stupid word for whatever their pet preference is. What difference does it make what's "natural?" Another point --- this discussion will consist of nothing beyond baseless speculation because there is no real data or evidence indicating the extent to which promiscuity is biologically determined. Sociosexu…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 07:53 PM
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Yeah this post --- and most posts on the subject --- misunderstand how society works. Hegemonic masculinity is ruthlessly enforced by men and women. The number one criteria for a man in this world = success. The only that counts in this life is to get them to sign on the line which is dotted. If you fail, as a man, in any endeavor, you are likely to be shit on. That includes approaching women. It's part of the hyperagency of men. Nature of the beast. Hence, admitting any failure as a man is like…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 07:48 PM
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Peak nonsense in this OP. Culture is set up to support women in innumerable ways; if a woman wants companionship even if just temporary, she can easily get it; social support, easily received; sympathy and empathy for her concerns and complaints, freely given. Men receive none of these perks. People love to toss out 'go to therapy' as if therapy is some catchall solution beyond "trick yourself into believing your life doesn't suck." If it were as simple as "men need women so much haha!" then you…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 07:44 PM
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If you're in central europe then no, you don't know what you're talking about. And this whole 'studies don't survey the whole population' just lets us all know you don't understand statistics. I have way more experience than you do, let me assure you. Blackpillers think they only need to work on their looks, when in fact their personalities and social skills need huge overhauls as well. Please provide a study demonstrating that actual female dating decisions are substantially influenced by "soci…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 02:25 AM
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Literally just cited data that shows 18-29 year old men are overwhelmingly single and walking away. Really all you need is to build social skills and be a likable and good person. Or you could be a toxic asshat and attract broken girls with trauma (But trust me you don’t want that). Or you don't know what you're talking about because you are in a complete different set of circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 12:29 AM
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That's not the same thing. You've resorted to sputtering out nonsense to avoid the real truth. You need all types of love----friends, family, and romantic.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/23 12:14 AM
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I don't need to prove you wrong. You're misstating the entire TRP viewpoint. While those women typically demonstrate the worst excesses the trends discussed apply to society at large
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 10:38 PM
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Go research TRP if you don't understand the general claims they make about modern society.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 10:25 PM
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Yes, they mean trends and behaviors applicable to all women. How daft do you have to be to assume that picking sexy thumbnails and the most salacious stories = they only think the hottest women are 'modern women?'
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 10:13 PM
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Women are not imagination led. Women are just as visually led as men when it comes to their dating decisions. No the main people who will buy this will be men. Men are lonelier.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 10:05 PM
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Mansplaining is just invalidation and devaluation with a little bit of strawmanning thrown in. It's not unique to men explaining things to women. When a man complains about his loneliness and someone bleets 'no one owes you anything' or 'no one owes you sex' or whatever other sadistic nonsense ---- that's the same thing. These responses (1) explain how the world actually works (according to a worldview cherry-picked for this particular situation) (2) Act as though this worldview cannot tolerate …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 10:03 PM
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No. Wrong. It just is cathartic for the disillusioned men watching to see the individuals (women) who callously rejected them get cut down to size.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 09:39 PM
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I mean, you can pretend that the content doesn't represent extreme examples of the points these people are making all you like. You're just arguing against a position no one actually holds, i.e. strawmanning.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 09:37 PM
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Are the 60% of 18-29 giving up on dating "internet fear porn?" The men dropping out of the labor force? Swipe data from dating apps? Research showing that women feel more sexual entitlement than men? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4810038/ Research showing a prevalent and strong anti-male bias in society? https://www.psypost.org/2023/03/pro-female-and-anti-male-biases-are-more-influential-than-race-and-other-factors-in-implicit-association-tests-74335 Yeah bro, it's all internet fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 09:34 PM
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Both.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 09:26 PM
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The vast majority of people will never gain enough experience to meaningfully know what they are talking about regarding the initial phase of dating (i.e. the attraction phase). Relationships, maybe. And no, I don't think men or women are trying to serve their sexual imperative. Half the shit both of them advise and do is counter-productive to their goals.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 05:37 PM
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Yeah you can spin relationships and intimacy into "not get laid" all you like. You know that isn't it which is why hookers don't solve the problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 05:14 PM
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Handwave Handwave Handwave
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 05:12 PM
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That's not a study you're referring to it's a blog post...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 02:53 PM
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And yet my argument was never that height isn't relevant, so...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 02:52 PM
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Neither of those studies quantified number of sex partners. https://www.google.com/amp/s/fivethirtyeight.com/features/very-short-men-have-fewer-sex-partners/amp/ Only really short guys have less partners and its not even much less. So no, not really
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 12:44 PM
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LOL No 35+ year old man should be getting into a relationship with a woman under 25. Under that age women are too flighty, flaky, and irresponsible to take seriously. Casual hooking up? Sure. Serious dating? Never. And you shouldn't get into that kind of a relationship either.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 09:54 AM
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You know damned well no woman would mind being cold approached by a man they find attractive. At the very least, it's an ego pump for her even if she rejects him. Women are creeped out by men who "don't know their place," i.e. men who in her mind would lower her status to be seen around or entertaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 09:47 AM
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If we are serious about insecurity and not some other underlying reasons, I guess it's men who are too handsome/"out of her league" and men who have lots of attention and options (yeah, there are women who will avoid them). This is true and happens more often than people think. A lot of times when a woman thinks you're out of her league, even you and her are vibing or making out or whatever, she will just think you're trying to get in her pants (which, who the hell are we kidding, you probably a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 09:46 AM
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The only real 'masculine' physical factor with a consistent and non-totally weak correlation with reproductive success is muscularity. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9106334/ Regarding height, average height men have the most reproductive success --- well replicated finding. Regarding criminals, they are uglier than average https://conference.iza.org/conference_files/TAM2005/tekin_e527.pdf Which indicates that while they are having more children and having more sex, it's with mostl…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 09:41 AM
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No women who are bold enough to straight up hit on you are below you. Women who are very receptive to your advances are your league.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 07:24 AM
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Nope. You missed the relevant data points. "Conversely, we found an overall statistically significant increase in reported lifetime opposite-sex sex partners overall for men in the top 20% from 12 in 2002 to 15 in 2011–2013 (95% CIs, 11–14 and 15–15, respectively) and for men with a high school degree/general educational development from 15 in 2002 to 20 in 2011–2013 (95% CIs, 12–15 and 16–20, respectively; Table 2). However, we found no changes for all remaining subgroups of men in the top 20%.…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 06:08 AM
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https://journals.lww.com/stdjournal/Fulltext/2017/02000/Changes_in_the_Distribution_of_Sex_Partners_in_the.5.aspx Ya bro so delusional
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 03:20 AM
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Research rape rates and violence in polygynous societies
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 03:17 AM
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No one said it does. That doesn't mean her reason isn't spurious or moronic. So nice try with the false equivalence
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 12:42 AM
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Because I have common sense I can judge between legitimate red flags and someone with their head up their ass 90% of the ridiculous things women reject men for aren't actually important, and if they found out about them after having been with the person for a few months would be fine with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/23 12:33 AM
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This sort of response assumes the criteria by which women select their partners aren't largely artificial. No one has to force anyone to do anything and the utter lack of imagination and this derailing false dilemma fantasy land rape dystopia needs to stop. Allocating money for various reasons could help. Of course it won't solve the main problem. Honestly porn, AI sexbots, and the artificial womb will probably be enough to pop the pussy bubble. And men checking out of society because society is…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 10:28 PM
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That's not the issue and you know it
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 10:21 PM
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When someone complains about a systemic problem and is told about how they are owed nothing, they are being marginalized and told that their marginalization is just
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 09:10 PM
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Sure. Most men aren't in the position to enforce such standards though. That's the big difference
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 08:53 PM
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Men are constantly told to 'self improve' and more or less 'shut the fuck up' when they complain, as this 'no one owes you anything' screed demonstrates. I don't know what reality you're trying to sell here, but it isn't this world. Women don't get rejected by a bunch of men outside of extreme outliers. Women have ridiculous match rates on dating apps and all tend to have a plethora of options.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 08:30 PM
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It's not the same thing because you said so? All human needs are fair game. You're discussing in bad faith because, without explanation, you are ignoring a real human need and real human suffering based on blind assertion. LOL remember that most of us are willing to kill a man if it comes down to it and we make up the majority of the political and voting body. We can quickly turn it so men aren't entitled to living if they have this opinion. Retarded but sadistic and evil; not entitled to living…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 08:27 PM
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Men should know how women are and only verbalize their boundaries if absolutely necessary. You can enforce your boundaries without saying a word. If you don't like how a woman carries herself when she's out in public --- don't go out in public with her, ever.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 08:19 PM
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There is no 'making up for it.' While I've had a much better time dating in my 30's, it's mostly due to (1) my face getting better and more 'mature' (2) cutting through the bullshit and recognizing the games women play early on and cutting them off and moving on much faster. Just being efficient and not wasting time on bad leads alone will lead to an substantial difference in your dating life.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 08:18 PM
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it's pretty much always your fault More nonsense. The quickness with which people defend the status quo is hilarious. Women reject men for all kinds of spurious reasons that hey, you can chalk up to 'preferences,' but it doesn't mean those preferences are anything but irrational silliness most of the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 08:15 PM
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^ nonsense. In addition to the reasons I mentioned earlier, people who live in one of the largest welfare states in the world trying to rest on "no one owes you anything," while at the same time demanding employers cover birth control and all other sorts of entitlements are being very selective about who is owed what, when.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 08:13 PM
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Yeah, these kinds of John Galt responses need to go. Society expects men to participate, obligates even via coercion. The entire reason people participate in a society is to get their human needs met. To say that relationships/intimacy/sex are not human needs is disengenuous. So it's pretty reasonable for someone to say 'this is bullshit, why am I busting my ass for a society that excludes me and marginalizes me and fails to return sufficient benefits to meet my needs?' He can use whatever langu…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 08:11 PM
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Speculation...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 07:54 PM
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Women in 'free love' marriages often do the same thing. The point is that when marital satisfaction and overall happiness get measured and recorded in actual studies --- they come out around the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 06:45 PM
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Yes, we can all speculate until the cows come home.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 06:41 PM
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It depends on the women (or man). First of all, men rarely are cheating with women who are better than their LTR. When women cheat, you do have it right, the person is usually in some way better than their LTR. Although, IIRC they don't report the sex as being better. Women are also more likely to cheat as a form of revenge. Being loyal makes a lot of sense. Most people, men and women, settle with individuals more or less on their level. Women intuitively know that Cristiano Ronaldo won't get in…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 06:40 PM
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Men can use women for sex. Even if you're up front and honest (which isn't the majority of the time), you're still just meeting them to have sex --- literally using them for sex. Idk it makes sense, the predator thing --- women who will agree to these arrangements typically are 'beneath' the men who pursue them, hence a power imbalance.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 06:23 PM
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Not all men are into casual sex. And no I don't think most men will sleep with 'just about any woman.' For men who are fine with casual sex, it's true they have lower standards than women --- mainly because they have to. So men will take what they can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 06:20 PM
1

I mean, a lot of what people -- especially women --- view as a 'connection' or 'love' is just high sexual attraction and NRE. Love, outside of rare exceptions, develops over time and is a deep fondness that is borne of going through life together and overcoming trials and tribulations like a team. And to be honest, I don't think you'd see a shit ton of difference regarding marital satisfaction --- arranged marriages and 'love' marriages showcase about the same rates of happiness and marital sati…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 06:13 PM
3

I think women are more superficial and judgmental and therefore more likely to exclude someone based on, for lack of a better word, nonsense. I think men are far more socially brutal --- men use violence, direct aggression, dominance, rumor spreading, etc. If men perceive you as a threat and you fail to befriend them, they will --- in some cases --- stop at nothing to cut you down. There are men I've known --- as acquaintances in the same broad social circle --- for years who literally every tim…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 06:08 PM
1

Typically, if you control for physical attractiveness, women prefer so called 'nice guys' over 'bad boys.' Women prefer men they have high physical attraction for who treat them poorly to less attractive men who treat them well. Not all women, mind you
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 06:04 PM
6

It's not my job to familiarize you with a lot of basic information.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 01:36 PM
0

No not really. Talking to them like a friend won't ruin your chances if she's into you but you're also not finding anything out either. Going sexual early on tells you a shit ton about her as a person.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 11:03 AM
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Going sexual early on is a winning strategy. How she reacts often tells you so much about her
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 06:49 AM
1

For women looking to settle down, very important. For younger women....unimportant.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/23 06:48 AM
-2

All of them. Do you think Patriarchy started with capitalism? Lmao. It started with property certainly, and existed in prehistory too, though hunter gatherer society is more egalitarian. No it's not capitalism
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 11:54 PM
-4

No. Patriarchy. The same thing that has held sway in non capitalist economic systems.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 11:34 PM
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Yawn. Minimizing what the deprivation a group is experiencing along with praising the virtue of 'shutting the fuck up.' Bottom line, society functions on reciprocity and incentives. You can keep bleeting and shaming about how people should accept the status quo regardless of what they get out of society. Men are dropping out, which obviously means they increasingly see no reason to participate. You can acknowledge reality or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 10:07 PM
3

relationships and intimacy with the opposite sex forms part of our human needs even if you don't think sex is a base physiological human need. and great, according to you, everyone around you is just fine and therefore all complaints are just whining. However, your argument is that the status quo per se must be fair. Which is a nonsensical argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 09:56 PM
5

You're right, men have incentive to participate in society that does not meet their very real human needs. Except wait, you aren't.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 09:47 PM
5

LOL You don't seem to understand incentives or reciprocity --- the backbone of society
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 09:37 PM
1

women are different. some women (the best kind) cum from just intercourse with more or less but overall low effort Some women cum from just intercourse but need clit stimulation (bleh) some women have to have the stars align and everything going to cum (ugh) some women don't cum from intercourse but can cum from oral (blargh) some women don't cum (my sympathies) Some things help, having a thicker and longer cock (in that order), her being more sexually attracted to you, her having more testoster…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 09:31 PM
1

Notice how all the problems women have are the result of female choice? It's like saying the trust fund baby and the poor man have it equal because trust fund babies tend to make bad investments. :)
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 09:23 PM
2

All men who are so into sex and worried about being a sex god should just try this: stop giving a shit. Seriously. Just use a woman's body to get your rocks off. If a woman complains about it, just tell her to find someone else or blame her anatomy for making it difficult for her to enjoy sex. (essentially what a lot of women do when men complain about sex, 'go find a hooker'). Why? Maybe a lot of men have never held the title of 'best lover' or 'best sex.' I will tell you that the title doesn't…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 09:18 PM
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Oh wow here comes a status quo apologist here to tell anyone complaining about the status quo to essentially shut the fuck up. Really, all standards excluding people are fair? Just World hypothesis overdrive Society expects people (via coercion in many cases) to contribute and participate. So no, you are wrong. A society that excludes you via its (often arbitrary) standards while expecting you to prop it up is not fair and unjust.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 09:12 PM
1

The unfortunate reality is that unless a woman perceives you as having sexual options as appealing as her, she will engage in this behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 09:09 PM
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On the one hand, at the surface level, I agree with you. However, something deeper lurks beneath the surface. Despite all the gains women have made and all the alleged gender roles that have been broken, women are still pretty unhappy and getting less happy --- they're unhappier than men are! IMO Women have a huge problem in that they are and have been the victims of an insanely effective psyops initiative. Modern feminism essentially manufactures consent for female exploitation and subjugation …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 09:05 PM
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This isn't really true. If you're a man, the women who 'make it easy for you' are always beneath you. You are always selling yourself short.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 08:40 PM
2

It's simply ignorant, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 06:47 PM
1

Huge assumption
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 06:42 PM
2

Yes the vast majority of men who cannot meaningfully lose weight must all be undisciplined. TrP cannot handle reality
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 06:36 PM
1

Yes when you assume a lot of bad shit assuming bad outcomes is easy. You're more likely to use bluepill successfully on the childless pretty 25 year old and Redpill on the 35 year old tbh. The red pill isn't going to work on the HIGHER QUALITY woman i.e. equal to or greater than your value.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 12:21 PM
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Again solutions that WILL NOT WORK FOR THE MAJORITY are not solutions. It's like telling everyone they can make a million. Or even 100000. Men losing a substantial amount of weight and keeping it off is exceedingly rare, look at the literature. Unfulfilled based on what? Where's the data?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 12:19 PM
-1

No. A 5 can bang 3s
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 09:49 AM
1

I don't use this strategy. When I want a girlfriend I just get in really really good shape which pushes me into that lucky zone. I've seen a lot of guys successfully use this strategy though.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 07:10 AM
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Highest quality woman --- looks, youth, femininity together. No, that's not necessarily my goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 06:51 AM
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You really don't. I can fire up tinder and drum up 3 or 4 new cute slim fwbs within a week or two. Any guy can fire up tinder and drum up 3 or 4 fwb 2 or so points beneath him within the same amount of time. ROI matters. Cost-benefit matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 06:50 AM
0

It is avoidable though. Men can just go with women on their level or below and instead of dating them or investing much at all, just have them come over and have sex and basque in the positive attention. The AF/BB, while clumsy and not entirely accurate, does ring true regarding the fact that women charge different men different prices for sex. And no, you're incorrect to equate first choices for men and women. NO MAN WILL EVER LIKELY GET HIS FIRST CHOICE in any respect --- for relationships or …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 06:43 AM
1

Ok so you don't have the same goal as the OP
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 06:36 AM
3

Ok. So you do not have the goal stated in the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 06:30 AM
3

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh they kinda are... I mean, you can go around sprinkling your attention willy nilly without care or regard, but to act like it's this morally bad thing to guard your time and efforts and consider benefits and costs in social interactions is silly
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 06:29 AM
2

Fair. Then you don't have the same goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 06:28 AM
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It's from an old informal study this guy did on tinder. It's all from data points. Let me guess --- you know tons of guys who just score with women at their level or higher all the time, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 06:27 AM
0

Okay, so getting a woman at your level or above isn't worth that
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 06:26 AM
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There is no other way to go if you are hoping to get that girl, though. So are you saying men should just not aim high?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 06:23 AM
0

Why are you assuming the relationship will be unfulfilling?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 06:22 AM
3

Complete nonsense disconfirmed by that simple graph. A man in the 80th percentile can dumpster dive and meet with little resistance, sure. I have never seen a dude utilize a low investment approach successfully on a woman at or above his level physically and overall and succeed. IT doesn't happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 06:22 AM
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It matters if you're their first choice because of what that means for following this strategy. You're thinking only of what happens when it all works out. You're not thinking of all the misses and rejections, which still happen with this strategy. Women do not treat men well or with a lot of respect when the man in question is not their first choice. So, the BB strategy --- until your personality alters her perception of you --- involves eating a lot of shit. There's really no other way to put …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 06:19 AM
1

What costs outweigh the benefits of securing the highest quality mate possible for you to get?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 06:08 AM
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You're not her second choice in the end. But, lol, when dealing with any woman at your level or above, you most certainly are not her first choice to start with
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 06:05 AM
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You misunderstand. Whether you realize it or not, you are in fact utilizing a strategy that more or less corresponds to these types of strategies. Like, it's naive to believe that these strategies, which are literally observed throughout the entire animal kingdom, somehow fail to apply to humanity
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 06:04 AM
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How is it rare? And lol, women will disrespect anybody. My contention is that, no matter what a man does, when dealing with a woman on his level or higher, he is facing the same power imbalance. The beta strategy is the only way to leverage his other qualities into sex appeal, i.e. physical attraction
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 06:02 AM
0

...why
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 06:01 AM
1

Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 06:00 AM
2

Yeah, your classic 'I make bad decisions especially if I'm really attracted to a man' starter pack: (1) lists 'no hookups' on profile (2) has a history of 'attracting narcissists' (3) is an 'empath' or some such nonsense. (4) is "ready" for a good partner 4 horsemen of the apocalypse right here. As soon as a woman drops one of these, just gun it and run it and extract the sex (if you're interested in that) and move on. Don't get suckered.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 04:20 AM
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all attempts to equalize the struggles men and women face in dating are nonsense, because the attempt itself is nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 04:17 AM
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lol who gives a shit? so much of this sub revolves around trying to 'gotcha' women with their own irrational, illogical natures. (1) do you think they will ever own up to it? (2) what does everyone or anyone gain by pointing it out? any guy with experience has this as common knowledge. women are irrational, illogical, and avoid accountability. most men are the same way, btw, even if women are a bit worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 04:15 AM
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your points come from a bad point of view --- doing shit because society says so without regard for yourself and your comfort. anyone who does things because 'well society says I should,' should ascend past 12 year old maturity levels
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 04:08 AM
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Bro, you're not kind to people because they deserve it based on their actions. Your baseline level of kindness is what you think people deserve just because they are people.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 03:51 AM
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Meh, it probably wasn't that important to the overall message methinks
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 03:47 AM
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Lmao False
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 03:37 AM
2

Which number is that
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 03:36 AM
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Younger women are more fertile and all else equal are more difficult to casually sleep with. Keep it simple stupid. They have more options and so there's more competition. Hence, harder to sleep with.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 01:34 AM
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Not all women are gunning to be career women to that hardcore of a level. My college sweetheart and I dated all through college and she had a pretty demanding major and ended up eventually becoming a professor. Having said that, those more extreme types tend to more or less be pass around girls (or you just never see them at parties) during those years. They tend to be more masculine, more confrontational, more personally authoritarian, etc. But even then, my gf during grad school was valedictor…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/23 01:26 AM
4

I don't think OF make that much money for the most part. Like most industries, there are a small number of winners who enjoy exceptional rewards.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 11:23 PM
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Great. So there's no real problems out there and nothing that needs to be done, because after all we can't really know anything objectively. Look at you go.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 11:03 PM
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You didn't. You asked a bunch of irrelevant questions "BUT WHO IS MAKING THIS DETERMINATION" results-based just world thinking (nonsensical on its face on par with telling a black guy in the south 'look if no one wants to hire you, the issue obviously isn't some systemic one with employers LOL). You're coming to the discussion hell bent on being willfully obtuse (as usual). You believe it is entitlement for a party that society expects to contribute and participate into it to expect any benefit …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 10:52 PM
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You're not going issue by issue, you're just contributing to obfuscation by amalgating several issues across several domains. But since your conclusion is that both are sexists and bigots, then by your analysis nothing can be done or known. Nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 10:49 PM
3

Yes anyone expecting anything must be entitled lol
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 10:15 PM
1

Lmao at women being super pragmatic
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 09:58 PM
1

Dude, most men also can't be the top 20%. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE. These neoliberal nonsense 'solutions' need to fucking die.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 09:43 PM
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Not really, if you did the actual work of parsing out the evidence and data supporting each side. But it sounds like that'd be too much work to do for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 09:42 PM
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These arguments about entitlement are always peak stupid. It is reasonable to expect equivalent exchange, i.e. a man and woman at equivalent levels across all dimensions, the man should have a reasonable expectation that given both are giving and getting the same level of "desired traits," he would have a good chance of getting a date/partnership/whatever. In any other context these arguments are prima facie braindead --- if I go to college and get a degree and work hard, I want a job that pays …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 09:40 PM
1

Between OF and sugar babies and porn, prostitution is pretty much de facto legalized
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 09:24 PM
2

No, we can't. Whataboutism is a very serious derailling tactic that has been used historically by many privileged groups to silence the grievances of another group. "X group is facing a serious problem." "We all face serious problems." "Shut the fuck up." It is possible to compare them "objectively." What nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 09:14 PM
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I obviously didn't state that only the top 5% of men could 'get women.' If you read the comment I cited, the point is that only the top 5% or so of men can get away with pulling women for totally casual sex who are also physically attractive enough to constitute gf material for like 90% of men. Accordingly, the vast majority of men can't use so-called 'alpha' tactics to land a high quality gf. Top 20% definitely is not enough. https://miro.medium.com/v2/resize:fit:1024/1*iC0UjKDxFViE3XZuk6MMUw.j…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 09:03 PM
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All I'm getting from talking to you is...nothing because you purposefully distort and misunderstand because you're more interested in bleeting talking points that discussion. So have your fantasyland rape dystopia you're so desperate for and have only the imagination for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 05:11 PM
3

Bro use your head. It's basic math.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 01:42 PM
6

Beta game isn't dead at all. Befriending a woman and getting to know her and then of the ones you grow on starting to date them is still a viable strategy. See it all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 09:08 AM
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Because in truth most men simply no matter what going to amass enough of any of that to vaunt them into the top 5 or so percent. If the majority can't do it, it's not a solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 09:07 AM
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https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/SSUlLld0kK I detail here
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 08:35 AM
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posts like this are ridiculous. men want to (1) enforce standards (2) never be 'beta' and (3) find a partner. It's not gonna happen for like 95% of men. Any advice that can only be successfully applied by <5% of men is nonsense as general advice. You can pick two of the above, the vast majority of the time. Cry me a river, but the real truth is that the "beta" strategy of getting a partner is what will land a man the highest quality partner he can get who 'meets his standards.' I detailed all th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 08:20 AM
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If you are not able to get consistent casual sex at all: you need to take the blue pill. If you are not able to get consistent casual sex with women who are hot enough to be gf material to 90% of men: you probably should think about taking the blue pill. Ultimately, I'd say 80% (at least) of men, are better served by the blue pill and the 'beta' strategy. Here's why: it will be the only way you secure a woman at your physical level or above, i.e. the highest quality mate you could get. The longe…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 04:47 AM
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(1) Stop listening to women talk about what they are attracted to. Here's what they are attracted to: good looks, in the short-term. There, end of discussion. (2) Correlation is not cause. Some good looking guys become assholes, some of them are party animals, some of them are preppy, some of them are 'nerdy,' etc. It's not their behavior or their attitudes, it's just their looks that is attracting the women. For every party animal that gets a lot of action there are 10 or 20 who do not. The two…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 04:28 AM
1

😆 Missed a few stats, hey keep telling yourself whatever you want
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 02:05 AM
1

Because society feels entitled to a man's labor, time, and attention. But people who ask this nonsense with a straight face while living in one of the largest welfare states ever known are a special kind of stupid. And people like to toss in these bogus Evo psych arguments about female choice and pickininess.... BRUH... Trust, the first thing to go if society crumbles will be that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/23 12:19 AM
1

He didn't love her indiscriminately. She was the first person to accept him in his life. She had a good heart. Like I said, you have a lot of hate in your heart man....
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 11:45 PM
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You have no real reason to believe that it isn't his son. Good men love, dude. You have a lot of hate in your heart. Understandable..but ultimately mistaken.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 11:42 PM
1

Because you're desperately angling for position by spitting out irrelevant questions rather than acknowledge the basic issue and reason for a man not wanting to spend time with a woman who isn't sexually attracted to him. You apparently think a man should spend time with someone who at their core believes he is an inferior man. And the fact that you are trying to avoid the basic truth of what it means for a woman to lack sexual attraction to a man means you're not here to discuss. Just blindly a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 11:41 PM
1

So you believe that it's worthwhile to hang around with people who believe you should essentially be phased out of the gene pool
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 08:01 PM
1

Ah I see. So a black man should befriend a person who thinks black people should be bred out of existence then right? Is there likely to be a reciprocal benefit there? It's the same concept. Like it or not a woman deeming a man unfit to pass his genes on to the next generation is a belief that colors all aspects of any relationship with that man. Of course it benefits women to extract as much care attention and time and resources as they can from whoever they can, which is why you have such an i…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 06:52 PM
1

Those opinions can be had but it's all part and parcel of tearing down the good man in society. That's all this shit is. Congratulations you're all playing yourselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 06:43 PM
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Why? The fact that we have an entire entitlement system for various maladies and states of deprivation and your only solution for this one is fantasy rape dystopia says it all.... Incidentally arranged marriages produce the same results regarding marital satisfaction than "love" marriages do :D But I've talked about this before and given several alternative solutions. People like you aren't interested in any change and so will treat all solutions like they're fantasy rape dystopia anyway. What's…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 06:39 PM
3

So men aren't walking away from society in record numbers, more women (nearly 50% by 2030) aren't ending up single unmarried and childless, women aren't just unhappier by the year?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 05:36 PM
1

Nah dawg, we can talk about modern dating dynamics and everything but you're trying to fuck with Forrest Gump here....a classic, like the last "magical" movie.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 05:34 PM
2

It's better for women to choose men who beat and rape them than.....Men who you say will beat and rape them. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 04:00 AM
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They literally choose violent men all the time, but whether people can accept that women make these choices is a different question
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 03:49 AM
2

Mmmm seems like the men women say yes to are the ones who pose the vast majority of the rape and abuse threats 😀
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 03:45 AM
1

Anyone who thinks Kant got anything right for real world action should focus more on their own philosophical education rather than condescending to people
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 03:03 AM
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Oh did he get the thing you like right? I understand that Kant is mostly nonsense, yes, as is most deontological ethics. And here is why, for people who don't understand, you're welcome. If the proposition is in serious conflict with everyday observation the proposition is garbage. The world and how it runs indicate that all people have contingent and unequal value. So following a rule that involves granting value to others is likely to lead one into many unfavorable situations and outcomes, bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 02:51 AM
4

Yes this nonsensical canard that because a man is nice to a woman and also wants to have sex with her that means he is evil. It's assuming ill intent based solely on the fact that after being rejected human beings can react negatively. Stupid. It's assuming that women can't ever create conditions that create a reasonable expectation of sex. Ridiculous. But whatever the battle is over...now being a nice guy is not something you want to be. LMFAO. Because women don't want nice guys. They want good…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 02:32 AM
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Idk in the end she has his kid and reproduced with no one else. I guess you can assume it's not his kid, too. Also Jenny was attracted to Forest the entire movie. She couldn't accept that he loved her because she didn't want to become what her father was: a rapist. It takes her a long time to realize that love is simple and something Forest can understand. That's a unique situation that shouldn't remind you of modern dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 02:27 AM
1

Well rookie moves all around. The fact that there's no attempt to touch or kiss you're in the dark. The fact that you asked for a number in a bar rather than try to gun it and run it, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 02:23 AM
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I know that rapists and abusive men never seem to have trouble attracting women into their lives. The Just World is strong with this one...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 02:08 AM
4

You invoking Kant is such a hilarious misstep and the most dubious claim to any kind of authority you could have picked lmfao
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 02:07 AM
2

Ah you like Kant, eh? Well then you agree that no one should listen to you because after all women cannot be moral agents in any sense according to him. Ha!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 02:06 AM
3

So invest time and energy into social situations and relations that involve little, if any, reciprocal benefit, in other words? IN fact, if you even want a reciprocal benefit --- the foundation of social relationships --- you're a bad person or whatever such. LOL What reason do men have to relate to most women on any deep level. Long-term interaction with a woman who is not sexually attracted to you most certainly is bad for a man's self image: women do not treat men they aren't attracted to tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 02:03 AM
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You're right. The only possibility at all would be a fantasy rape dystopia. Filed In: Intellectually lazy bad faith argument
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 12:43 AM
4

What revenge fantasy? It's happening in real time.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 12:18 AM
2

So you're arguing that a big percentage of relationships do not start with the parties being intimate for awhile beforehand sans commitment And That the consistent casual sex men like myself and many others get simply doesn't exist or reflect larger social trends. Ok!
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/23 12:09 AM
2

No, far more women than that engage in casual sex with the hope it will lead into a relationship while dating someone. That's still casual sex. So if it's so bad for them why are they eagerly participating in it?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 11:49 PM
1

If the woman is attracted to the guy, yes. If not, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 11:06 PM
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I see. So we agree that they really aren't treating women like people, in any case, yet they are still beating and raping their way into their hearts. HMMMMM
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 10:46 PM
2

Women by and large participate willingly in casual sex and hookups and short term sex, despite yes, all those stats you quoted showing they don't like and don't benefit from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 09:24 PM
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Lol@women being brainwashed into thinking they have an advantage in a culture that has them being used for sex. Goddamn. The patriarchy is strong. Feminism really emerged as a force in the 60s and the patriarchy elders met and conferred. And as usual, they fucking destroyed the opposition.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 08:15 PM
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Women are right that they are hated. They are wrong about who hates them. Elite men at best are sexist but benevolent about it. Men who are successful with women range from misogynyists to benevolent misogynists mostly (in private). The only men who like women... ...were the "nice guys." And because we all know they're worth nothing but derision, they're now increasingly hating women. Modern feminism is just patriarchy 2.0. Women accelerating their own continued subjugation via manufactured cons…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 08:09 PM
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Lol In real life it exists mostly implicitly and silently proceeds via micro aggression and differential treatment. https://www.psypost.org/2023/03/pro-female-and-anti-male-biases-are-more-influential-than-race-and-other-factors-in-implicit-association-tests-74335 It's real. And the fact that the commenters were cheering him on SHOULD worry and concern you. A lot of men at an increasingly higher rate are getting very pissed off. And the social shame mainstream brigade continue shitting on them a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 08:03 PM
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^ Bingo
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 07:58 PM
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What about the men who rape and abuse women...do they think women are the same species? Because the vast majority of this hostile behavior comes from the men women choose, not strangers unable to get a date. So it's strange that you think this trope matters at all in the real world.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 07:57 PM
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Yes this is an obvious social shaming mechanism that assumes something bad about the man while propagating a hilariously false trope about what women respond to in the real world. I suppose the men who rape and violently beat women, the majority of whom are chosen by women to enter into relationships with, utilized that strategy? Not to worry. The damsel in distress female hypoagency paradigm is collapsing. How do I know? Maybe 5 years ago you wouldn't get nearly as many erudite comments pushing…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/23 07:55 PM
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I've dated several OF girls. Sort of shocking how widespread it is and sometimes it wouldn't be people you'd expect. But mostly they're rejected for it by guys with more options. And then there's a small minority of men who are all about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 01:02 PM
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Yeah and I said she takes a slight hit there but not as much as is believed
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 11:22 AM
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You should pop pills that lack any real solid theoretical basis other than power dynamics-influenced DSM diagnoses? Pills that have multi-directional and conflicting effects? That often cause weight gain and likely would exacerbate a man's dating woes? More men should consider disassociating themselves from anything having to do with "psychology," aka "pathologizing individuals for the systemic problems of neoliberal hell." Several insiders have publicly stated that the DSM is scientifically inv…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 06:38 AM
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If you put on your handy dandy common sense hat you could answer your own question. If something like 80/20 is true and that women have tons of options is true, then men having "standards" like the ones you quoted above are true, but likely in a very trivial sense, sense, as well all know only a minority of men in the sexual marketplace can enforce any, let alone all, of such standards. Consequently, the Wall is largely exaggerated, i.e. --- while men most desire women who are 20 when they are 5…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/23 06:24 AM
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Easier time what
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 12:55 PM
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It's not uncommon for Grogs to talk over males in interactions or flat out disrespect them. Well, since men are socialized to be competitive are highly productive, they will gain status via prestige, i.e. being better at everything requiring mental or other skill. rape and violent crime despite only making up about 1/3rd of the population, with most victims being males. Ah, men lost all access to self defense weapons that neutralize the size advantage eh? Like guns, bats, whatever. Grogs are als…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 12:46 PM
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IF romantic relationships were just sex and friendship/companionship that would mean fewer responsibilities for you (usually the man). And that's unacceptable. :) Notice that I'm sure the answers will jive about intangible, unmeasurable nonsense like 'emotional connection' and 'intimacy' and whatever else (as if friendships can't have those). As always, look at reality. What really changes when upgrading from FwB to relationship: typically...the expectations placed on the man. Hope that helps
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 12:33 PM
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Not only is this take wrong. It is disconfirmed by several different data sets and has been so so many times that people shouldn't even take it seriously anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/23 02:14 AM
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Strange then that 'strong, successful, confident' women also frequently fall prey too.. https://www.insider.com/why-smart-successful-women-fall-so-hard-for-toxic-men-2019-6
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 11:32 PM
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A true 'slut' is a woman who sleeps with many types of men because she can feel attracted to many different types of men. This type of woman is rare and should be praised. Because the gift here is for a woman to feel true sexual attraction to many different types of men. Of course, this type of woman is usually very reviled --- even by the men who sleep with her. It's very tragic. The garden variety 'slut' is insecure and validates herself via sex with men meeting a certain criteria. As far as m…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 11:22 PM
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That’s wild. I’ve never even swiped right close to 1,000 times in a month It's mainly because you get a lot of likes, and then when the likes are near the top of your feed, every swipe for you will be a match. And back in them days, tinder gave dudes 100 swipes or so per 12 hours. You’re also 10 years older now, which might make a difference I look better now than I did then. But yes it's possible I suppose that age alone would dissuade some women (seriously doubt it). It's not about whether it …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 08:11 PM
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1) Men increasingly are 'quitting the game' and walking away from dating, at least in the 18-29 cohort. 2) I agree with you. For example, I'm a GL dude -- very handsome --- my experience in 2013, 2018, and now this last year with Tinder is telling. In 2013 it was just bananas, so many matches, I didn't know or think to count then. But it was so easy, so great. In 2018 I got 1000 matches my first month. This year I managed to eek out 1100 matches...after 3 months. My looks have been more or less …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 07:31 PM
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Tons of men are exiting dating. And no, there are no individual solutions to systemic problems --- which is the point. A man leaving or a woman leaving won't change the larger issues. So why not just sit back and relax and not talk about it? That someone would seriously ask this question is telling. 'I know you're struggling, but um, why not just shut the fuck up?' LOL Grade: F
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 07:24 PM
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Ohhh only defective damaged women pick rapists and abusers? Final answer?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 06:41 PM
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LOL it's so funny that women keep repeating these stupid 'pussy as moral compass' lies. like, do you think men believe this anymore? do you believe that it has any shaming power?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 02:50 AM
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LMFAO WHAT HORSESHIT If women hated hate so much then why do they ROUTINELY PICK RAPISTS AND VIOLENT MEN WHO BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF THEM to cohabitate with and marry? STOP. DO NOT PASS GO. DO NOT COLLECT $200.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 02:43 AM
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Yeah this is nonsense. Female sexual arousal is extremely plastic and malleable. As a matter of fact, I'm at this point in my life fairly certain the main way women are subjugated by patriarchy has to do with them being conditioned from a very young age to value certain 'types' and associate them with sex. It's pretty gnarly. Scores of women report having the best sex and the most powerful orgasms of their life during instances of rape, gang rape, directly following a particularly violent domest…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 02:41 AM
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LOL Women really just live in a fantasy world. Let me ask a real question: if society breaks down tomorrow....do you think women will have a lot of choice in their sexual partners? :) I'm just saying, the general lack of empathy that is being pushed and lack of regard for men you know...can only backfire against women. The reason women have as much choice as they do is because all the men got together and agreed to a set of rules governing whatever society. So the problem with women just turning…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 02:36 AM
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You forgot about complain. Women complain a lot, too. So he's on brand.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 02:30 AM
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Both sides do have it equally bad from different points of view. Yes. The factual, reality-based view, and the other view. Men are never going to fully understand what women feel the same way women will never fully understand what men feel It has nothing to do with that. It's like saying rich people and poor people have it just as bad "from different points of view." It's just wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 02:30 AM
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Since when has any side of a societal power struggle been interested and keen on having "an honest conversation?" However, I do not believe all women or most women are bad or act in bad faith. Though plenty do, and it's evidenced in how they respond to or discuss with people here. People who utilize someone stating a fact to make a power move are 100% always arguing in bad faith and are just generally the worst. Example: A: did you know [fact about men in dating] B: well [inserts own version of …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 02:27 AM
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That's not real life. A dude rambling about TRP in the middle of a night club needs to get kicked out if he's causing women to leave. Real life for most part consists of echo chambers there's nothing wrong with that. It's when you have settings and forums for the sharing of ideas that free speech becomes relevant. And even then only to the extent that platform exerts outsize influence
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 01:01 AM
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But that is silly. People shouldn't have to spend their free time listening to things they don't like in settings they choose. It's better in my opinion to recognize that these platforms via outsize influence effectively operate as de facto governments and as such have some obligation to ensure the right
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/23 12:46 AM
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I believe the best sexual achievement and metric of your sexual worth is taking a bunch of virginities. Joe C takes the virginities of an entire town's worth of 2/10 obese women. Joe A bangs an entire town's worth of 9/10 hotties. ... Really tho? I say you can easily have infinite sex partners without having any redeeming characteristics. LOL go do it then
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 08:49 AM
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Not really. But I think older women tend to think they are wiser :) I think older people, especially older women, are less superficial and care less about appearance. This is massively untrue. Like I said, I've been with all types of women, and yeah, I went through a brief, ahem....we'll call it 'fetish' phase of older and much older women. Even if you're a good looking guy... (1) you still get rejected for completely nonsensical things, i remember several of them seeming very insecure about the…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 08:44 AM
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FICTION if you're male. The people who can actively find relationships without looking usually possess traits that naturally make them attractive to the opposite sex. Yeah, most everyone who finds relationships has to look --- if they're male. When men go for partners, they tend to go for women across or above them. Do you know what that means? They have to put up with the same shit as everyone else. But it's true, social momentum is a force unto itself and people who successfully leverage statu…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 08:35 AM
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As a dude in his 30s who's by far had his best sex with the highest quality women in his 30's I don't agree. And to be honest, the times I do hook up or even interact with very young women (19-23) most everything about them beyond their bodies is slightly irritating. Because they know absolutely know nothing about real life, the world, their place in it, and are so obviously putting up a front that they don't think is transparent to people with experience. The happiest couples married young and …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 08:09 AM
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I have a somewhat similar experience. I've been in relationships with 2 PCOS women, and run across them intermittently casually over the years. (1) yes they tend to be easier to interact with than normal women. to the point where I've found myself shocked that they were interacting with me in a linear fashion, making points in much the same way I would. cool stuff. (2) yes they tended to have way higher sex drives. one ex gf and me were constantly at it for nearly the entire 2 years we were toge…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 08:04 AM
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All that matters primarily in swiping decisions for women are (1) looks and (2) race, at roughly equal parity. https://neurosciencenews.com/dating-apps-superficial-psychology-17980/
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 07:58 AM
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Male sex drive To be honest, while setting up your main dating strategy is a process unique to any individual man, it mostly consists of (1) unlearning mainstream bullshit (2) ignoring the opinions of men and women on pretty much anything dating related (3) devising methods of screening in women who, in order, are a) sexually attracted to you b) that are fun to be around and c) are romantically compatible with you. i,e, learn how to subtly shit test women. (4) taking women on a journey through t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 07:56 AM
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You're not "securing" anything but a dead bedroom and costly divorce nowadays. You're securing offspring. Yes, less glory for you, but better offspring. The BETA PILL is the truth of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 07:49 AM
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Game can elevate a guy from undecided to bangable. please produce research that examines a context involving real time female mating/dating decisions that demonstrates this to be the case or even shows any personality trait matter at all. The reason game is less effective nowadays Is because defined as "some suite of personality traits that cause a woman who is not attracted to you to become attracted to you" OR as you say "a woman who is unsure about you to 'decide' she is attracted to you," ga…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 07:41 AM
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​ Quicker way to drop the facts regarding society versus men: Pro-female and anti-male biases are more influential than race and other factors in Implicit Association Tests https://www.psypost.org/2023/03/pro-female-and-anti-male-biases-are-more-influential-than-race-and-other-factors-in-implicit-association-tests-74335#google_vignette
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 07:27 AM
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There's a reason women say they want assertive and confident men. Because they like being able to (1) be as superficial as they want while (2) simps like you handing them the power of making character assessments and taking them seriously. Doesn't matter how good they look. Except according to all research performed in conditions most mirroring real life, of course. Lmao, the average guy is getting Chad's sloppy seconds, and only because nobody else will commit to her. Even Chad's sloppy seconds…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 07:22 AM
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K dude sociology and many other fields were wrong and didn't get the memo. Lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 05:56 AM
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Ya you need to read what I said again. No one said ugly broke beta. beta and alpha OF EQUAL PHYSICAL ATTRACTIVENESS and the quality of partner beta can get will simply be higher. Average looking criminals having higher body counts != doing better than the average guy regarding partner quality. DUCY?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 05:56 AM
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It's called blowing sunshine up your own ass and being so deficient in self-awareness that, more likely than not, you follow unwritten social hierarchies to an even higher extent than average
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 03:21 AM
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Yeah bro you and your friends have transcended unwritten social hierarchies. Congrats.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 02:55 AM
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Well no doy people don't understand why they're doing what they're doing but people generally defer to others in accordance with broadly defined unwritten social hierarchies so you being shocked by this fact is bizarre unless you're unfamiliar with social dynamics
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 02:39 AM
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That's not true, they want the bad boy and the good guy. If they get knocked up by the bad boy they know they've failed. They try to get knocked up by the good guy. Of course, the good guy IMO is capable of doing more damage to women for so many reasons. Sexual attraction is important but emotional investment counts. Thoughts of a future count. Fucking with that is fucking with their (imagined) LIFE I'm kind of impressed. What the FB groups show is a phenomenon predicted and laughed at a decade …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 02:30 AM
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Probably because it is correct and realistic and you're not used to that. The bottom line is that the only way a dude compensates for looks IN THE REAL WORLD to obtain sexual access to a higher quality mate is to concede power. Try that alpha shit on a woman at your physical attractiveness or above without self esteem issues.... ...and she's gone. Sorry bro. Beta bux may be low power, may get cheated on, but the woman he had will usually be hotter than the asshole of equal physical attractivenes…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 02:15 AM
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That's not all you're saying. You're saying current dating dynamics can be attributed to this fact and I showed you why that is wrong
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 12:30 AM
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Not really. In reality the alpha male power moves don't create attraction
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/23 12:15 AM
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PUA more or less played fast and loose with Evo psych which plays fast and loose with science generally to CONSTRUCT A WORLDVIEW. Until you have a means by which you can view the dominant ideology it remains unseen. With the red pill, the blue pill was first seen
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 10:32 PM
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Yeah bro men aren't trying hard at all and giving up. Lmao What a tool. Dude no....Men have and exerting enormous effort into trying to date And deciding It isn't Worth it So no your explanation ain't it
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 10:30 PM
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Whatever it is....the effort is not worth the benefit. So again, nope. Your analysis is incomplete.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 09:29 PM
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Lmao Remember the behavior stuff has no bearing on what TRP says it does, so them being more selfish or whatever it just hamstringing them. Like, TRP will never ever admit that the alpha male strategy simply is inferior to the beta male strategy for securing sexual access to a woman as hot or hotter than you and equivalent in other ways too i.e. high quality. Mainly because that strategy involves conceding a lot of power to the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 08:53 PM
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Yeah I know. And that's a big failing of TRP
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 08:36 PM
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Several celebrities date and marry single moms. They don't seem like cucks to me. People who think like this are assholes. People who are good to someone else's kid, and can be a good husband to the mother, are good people and they shouldn't be shamed. You dudes are so juvenile sometimes.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 08:32 PM
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Define good character?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 08:29 PM
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Lol the fact that all these videos are coming out that have the not-so-subtle message of... is she worth it? is she really? Half the reason you don't want to be the guy who takes a woman out on dates, waits 4 or 5 dates to get to sex, and be the guy she shows off in public is because you know --- see like 20 years ago, you could roll the dice 50/50 this would be the case, whereas today it's 100% certainty --- that there was some guy in the past and probably more than one who just got to roll in,…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 05:51 PM
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It's literally not. Here, in case you missed it: Women inherently screw themselves by not investing in men with potential who don't lack moral traits. This guy who is a good guy, PER THE OP, wants to make something of himself. Which means the comment I replied to was inventing a situation that was irrelevant to the OP: a guy who did not want to make something of himself and 'changing him.' You did a lot of condescending --- you should have been reading.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 05:41 PM
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LOL let me look at your wish list there, buddy boy-oooo. Cross that shit off in the first instance --- most men out here ain't getting that. Beautiful? BEAUTIFUL? BRUUUH. Asterisk, and why should she not? Are you super high IQ? Super high Educated? Good career? You have your shit together? You good at executive functioning? Some reason why she wouldn't challenge you and presume an equal validity of opinion? Okay, yeah tru tru. But that's not until she's like 40-45 that that extinguishes. As a du…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 05:36 PM
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I've been going out and recently am in the test relationship phase with a girl who lives like 40 minutes away from me, outside the city, in kind of a rural area. What do you mean what kind of guy am I? I'm an average height good looking guy. The same thing that has made or broken every single female decision regarding whether to take a shot on me: how handsome she thought I was. Duh. It's the same reason every woman has. Okay, not true. There's also the 'good enough' tick box standards. Good eno…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 05:23 PM
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They are. Female psychopaths seem more slutty, so men more likely to make a move on them: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/283732665_How_Alluring_Are_Dark_Personalities_The_Dark_Triad_and_Attractiveness_in_Speed_Dating#:~:text=Dark%20Triad%20traits%20(narcissism%2C%20psychopathy,mating%20success%2C%20while%20Machiavellianism%20and HOWEVER In terms of exerting any kind of significant strong effect this is largely BULLSHIT When you control for the mackdaddy God of Dating Choice --- Physica…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 05:13 PM
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It's not really a matter of free speech because we aren't talking about government led or sanctioned censorship. However, it's important to see that society's overton window is really moving to a "you better not mention how bad men have it in any way" area
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 04:26 PM
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I've never caught the "women shouldn't have any rights" post. Pretty sure TRP doesn't advocate that.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 04:25 PM
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The Red Pill is mostly stupid. Pretty much the only thing the red pill gets right is acknowledging many of the issues men are facing that get worse every day. But the same is true of the black pill, the broader manosphere, etc. Now, calling any pill men losers and whatnot under the conditions in which it usually happens i.e. 'man makes a point or states well known fact or cites x' the response is 'ya you're a loser so whatever' or some permutation thereof typically demonstrates the empathy gap m…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 04:23 PM
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Men were just as horny many years ago and conditions were different. Consider this, if men are so fucking horny then why are men who are their PRIME PEAK OF HORNINESS deciding "hey...fuck it" and literally walking away from women altogether? No other generation has done this. So no, your explanation is incomplete at best and at worst is the latest in a long line of attempts to minimize the real issues. This huge imbalance leaves most men competing for even just basic attention, and even the ones…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 04:18 PM
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No you don't want to know what you're talking about because you don't care about the empirics You just gotta sling dat mud. And I don't want to discuss anything with someone who insists on talking out of their ass
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 03:36 PM
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and that's fine...since you're not a rehab center, or as I would better put it...a founding partner... ....after I build the skyscraper and you take the tour, just don't expect to get any equity. And do you know why? Beyond the fact that I don't really believe in me or my pussy to push a man into long and lasting change so much as short term performance... when men change because you pushed them into it, they have this tendency to either resent you and leave you (I suspect because they don't lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 03:10 PM
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It's not an indictment of anyone. It's just, something like this would explain how a person's ego could become inflated.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 02:13 PM
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To rehash, your constant attempts to quote me with things I never said is transparently obvious. you feel it should be acceptable for men to lie and misrepresent their appearance. Look at you go, yet another thing I never said. When women use filters, they are untrustworthy. But when men lie about their height, it’s because women are superficial. Another thing I never said. That means you, in particular, overlook the woman’s use of filters because you, as a man, are not superficial, right? Just …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 01:09 PM
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Your actual topic neatly switched to a discussion of how superficial women are, didn’t it, which means it isn’t about the filters on the video at all. LOL The OP title is the point of the post. Try reading that, ace. No, it’s about the lying, because she might have liked him fine if he hadn’t lied. Except initial dating decisions are dominated by variance and looks ONLY. Repeated research has found this. See it's this moral element that people just wish existed in dating. Maybe you think you're …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 01:01 PM
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People who say that 'oh the fact that you lied about being six foot instead of 5'10 is why I rejected you' are just trying to cover the fact that it's really just the height itself that caused the rejection, to you, means "Women are too superficial and most aren’t nearly as pretty as they think they are and should settle for average or below average men" Brush up on your reading comprehension then, chief.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 12:38 PM
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There’s 3 or more times more men on these apps than women. If the ratios are fairly constant over time then no, that doesn't indicate anything about drop off rates. Further, most people meet online. Women use the same filters on instagram and get hit on in their DMs which still produces the same effects.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 12:34 PM
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Lead with something I did not say, either in the OP nor in the comment you responded to? Well probably because i didn't say that, dingus.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 12:32 PM
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Yes what matters is physical attraction. (Nothing else outside of dumb luck does). And people who get huffy about "lies" regarding superficial traits are typically lying to themselves about their superficiality.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 12:19 PM
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You can't answer a simple question and you assert that finding a partner without reference to the experiences, time involved, effort, or any real information about that partnership, etc. alone means someone did not have standards that were too high, which is nonsense. Indeed, you are having an emotional reaction, which is why you don't want to answer my question and why you keep saying nonsense (I was factually wrong about my own clip when I expressed an opinion) So either you think ANY relation…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 11:15 AM
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She called him her partner, so she obviously found a relationship. You're obviously naive about modern "partnerships." Let's be real here My point was that her pics differed markedly than reality. Which they do. no idea she found a relationship. Just admit you were wrong. It's interesting you didn't answer my question. Because your reasoning here, despite your evasion, is still wrong. Furthermore, it wasn't even the main point of my post. Just admit it, you don't like people criticizing women an…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 10:29 AM
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I guarantee you this woman is insanely picky. Is what I said first of all. And your reasoning is complete nonsense. The fact that someone finds a partner for what will likely be a very short duration fails to indicate that they aren't too picky. Flip it. Let's say a guy only wants to date 10's. He spends 20 years going out every night trying to get a 10. 20 years later he finds a 10 "partner" --- you have no clue how long the partnership lasted Was he too picky? Are you serious?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 10:13 AM
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yeah my point is that it's increasingly irrelevant because more and more women use them. and the difference between her and her pics is much LARGER than the average differential you encounter in real life
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 10:05 AM
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That she found someone willing to be seen in public with her (just even assuming that's bare minimum of the definition of partnered) doesn't mean she succeeded at all The new reveal that reveals almost nothing?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 10:02 AM
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Lol we can conclude people are heavily invested in defending worldviews over reality, actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 09:59 AM
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Yeah if it was destroying their self esteem you'd think that'd mean they 'd aim lower but the data does not reflect this trend. And honestly, if someone who is objectively less attractive than their potential date gets their feelings hurt, changes nothing about their appearance, and repeats the same process over and over.... ...we can conclude that (1) she is picky and (2) her self esteem problems are her own fault
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 09:40 AM
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I know, it's like you can't be bothered to familiarize yourself to the extent a basic google search would with a topic before loudly expressing an opinion. Which is why you aren't owed anything in this discussion. Either educate yourself on the basics or keep handwaving. Makes no diff.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 08:55 AM
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Sure buddy
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 08:53 AM
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Yeah bro Google searches don't reveal a widespread trend in men and women lying in online dating. God handwavers are annoying
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 07:43 AM
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https://gwern.net/doc/psychology/okcupid/itseemsthatwomenlieabouttheirheightmorethanmendo.html
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 05:20 AM
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It's not that simple otherwise multiple male reproduction strategies wouldn't exist
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 05:12 AM
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Women complain about it but have been shown to lie more. Even about their height
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 04:59 AM
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Ya bro holy shit. But thinking about it I'm more or less now starting to expect like a point difference. It didn't used to be like that. The fact that she was getting away with this is fucking stupefying. I'd likely just see her and walk away.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 04:58 AM
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How about we accept that living with your parents is completely okay and as long as both are working, finances are fine, then it doesn't matter. Why the fuck is there such a huge stigma against us men living with our parents? Everything is too expensive. And many of us are not smart enough to get a higher paying job to afford our own place. It doesn't matter. The reality is that women will judge for standards they fail to meet and harshly too. It is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 04:35 AM
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https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25062930/ sky is blue...
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 04:28 AM
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I'm a non-autistic Savant that makes like 24k a year working as a security guard and live with my parents. Am I in any position to be going out and dating with my shitty income? Unless you're really facially good looking and of decent height, I'd really advise not taking dating seriously. Is it possible to find non-materialistic women who don't care about money and just want a person for themselves and what they have to offer as opposed to purely financial desires? If you're really gl/tall maybe…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 04:03 AM
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Yes. People here live in lala land and ignore real life demographics. For example...non overweight obese women who make at least 20k who are 18-29 comprise maybe 5% of the female populous. Usually that'd be the floor of what constitutes a 6 on this board. However most men are turned off by bitchy rude behavior that requires them to essentially beg for attention and make massive investments. Me personally, "having had to put in effort and chase" turns me OFF. Difficult women turn me OFF. So yeah …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 02:26 AM
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Oh ok yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 02:21 AM
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I’m saying a woman cannot go from unfuckable to fuckable by virtue of being nice. Likewise for a man. Here, because you didn't get the memo. Most men (a 6 let's say) would not fuck, date, or marry a bitchy, difficult, 5 or 6. Most men would fuck, date, or marry a kind, 5 or 6. ^ those women went from being unfuckable by virtue of being nice. you're underestimating how rare genuine kindness is in women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/23 12:05 AM
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By and large they do. Depending on the status differential, the wealth alone may excite strong sexual attraction in the woman. Women are commodified and objectified a lot, and while there is a lot of complaining, there are no attempts to alter their actions or behavior, which suggests by and large they're cool with it. Your mistake is listening to them complain about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 11:48 PM
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Most men (let's say he's a 6) would fuck, date, and marry a kind 5 or 6 over a bitchy, difficult 8. I can't say the same that most female 6's would fuck, date, and marry the kind 5 or 6 over the asshole 8.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 11:46 PM
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No, this is incorrect. With regard to women, it's largely correct that women don't care about it at all. With regard to men, men value it because women simply are only kind (not polite) to men they find attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 11:44 PM
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A "good" man is just a man wiling to commit to her in a socially acceptable way, which mainly probably boils down to being her partner and being seen in public with her. And a "man" to her is someone likely better looking than her or fairly tall and of the right race. Men find female kindness arousing because it demonstrates a kind of submission toward the man, which indicates attraction. Women are very transparent people. Women are not kind to men they find unattractive. I have yet to see an in…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 11:43 PM
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There are evo psych just-so stories for that, there are religious explanations for that, there are cultural explanations for that, etc. Take your pick. The fact is that they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 11:15 PM
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It's just how women are. Women seek power and respond to power. Call it culture or biology, I don't know, but it's just the truth. In everyday life women are mainly focused on a man's looks, because most men don't have enough raw status or money to make a meaningful difference in the power he can exert.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 11:14 PM
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No, there are plenty of sources and repositories of legitimate social science research that support unpopular propositions on here. Such as looks and variance alone being responsible female dating decisions with reference to speed dating studies. Such as disproportionate success of men and women on dating apps and women aiming up. The kneejerk response to these is to attempt to handwave them away, as if speed dating fails to represent real life sufficiently (despite it being a brief interaction …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 11:08 PM
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People in the blue pill camp are in the "society" camp, which means that "evidence" will be waved away and you will be insulted. It's a predictable pattern.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 11:05 PM
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This is nonsense. While "chadfishing experiments" are unconvincing regarding how easy it is to get them from inbox to your bedroom (many women say all sorts of shit in your inbox when they're drunk or horny and it won't go anywhere) and also are very cherry-picked most of the time, there are plenty of legitimate research studies supporting basic observations like "looks" are the single largest predictor of female dating choice, with overall variance (the sum of many random variables that are out…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 11:03 PM
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Actually, what I've found is that people will dig their ideological heels in no matter how many studies coming to the same conclusion are tossed at them. They will rattle off critique after critique after critique after critique to disqualify whole studies, and the critiques will be based on whatever speculation fits the mood or can be mustered to handwave away the data. Point blank, if people link dump 20 or 30 studies or whatever with the same abstract finding --- that alone is strong evidence…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 11:01 PM
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then there should be studies that are easy to find. There are. And to be honest, the evidence that physical attractiveness is the single dominant predictor, regarding initial dating decisions by both women and men (but to a greater extent women) , is overwhelming. In every study where actual choices are made by women on who to date, such as speed-dating, there are two main factors, in order of effect size: variance + looks. That's it. With dating apps, it's looks + race leading to a match. There…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 10:58 PM
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Women are not particularly socially competent, and this canard needs to die. Furthermore, "social competence," especially when dealing with people you don't know well, is primarily a function of superficial characteristics --- your looks, your race, your height, your clothes. Nothing real about you has anything to do with whether people are deferential to you when you speak or how willing they are to comply with your social agenda. It's important to internalize this. You’ll see posts about man d…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 10:52 PM
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Your first point is true to an extent. Modern men have failed themselves in that they have handed over their worth to opinions of women. However for better or worse, women will reflect what the world thinks of you back at you. The problem of men rests really in letting the world dictate how they see themselves. Because most men aren't willing to accept that female opinions on them --- anything about them --- are meaningless. A woman's response to you, especially if she does not know you that wel…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 10:42 PM
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Correlation confused with cause. Women keep trying with those men because women only care about power and status. Nothing else. 'not giving a woman the time of day' won't turn her on if she doesn't perceive you as being higher status or higher power than her. It's not what turns her on. When I say power and status, remember that outside of extreme examples of wealth or psychological dominance, etc. looks are the main conveyor of those attributes in every day life.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 10:31 PM
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Several experiments have been done on tinder and other dating apps with literal ugly women. One experiment was with a woman photoshopped to blend an ugly woman's face with a pig and put hair on her chest. Guess what? Tons of options.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 10:28 PM
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You can give women the credit for something you built yourself if you want. I wouldn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 11:58 AM
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sure
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 09:56 AM
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or else I would like to fuck as many women as possible to even with her high body count( which she got through no effort ) Most women don't have high body counts... ...but that's a little better. Yeah you should. Improve yourself. Spend some time as a lost boy. You'll see a lot of shit and probably push it as far as you can. And eventually, you'll realize (1) what's happening with women and (2) if you keep fucking around, it'll consume you too :)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 09:39 AM
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This isn't going to work. The only women who put up with this behavior are across or beneath you. The women who subject you to the behavior (at least see themselves as) across or above you. So good job. You're punching down and literally punching down and not getting actual revenge anyway. But hey, let's assume your great aspiration in life isn't to be a bully, and that you improve yourself to the point where the women across from you and beneath you USED to be the same ones who were above you. …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 09:32 AM
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You rather Men perform a cost-benefit analysis, as I've stated several times. Yet you continue to say I said things I didn't say. One day you will become an adult and understand that the world doesn't give a fuck about your feelings. Either you fight for what you want or you are a victim. One day you will learn how to read. I'm getting very young vibes from you and that's fine. No, I'm certain I'm older and have far more experience. If you want to be an activist Your viewpoint is femme-centric b…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 09:05 AM
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I believe you can be the nicest kindest most human man on the planet but if you have a spine it doesnt matter. Buzz. How to tell if an entire concept is bullshit: how easily is it measured? Is it only measured with reference to judgement by an individual or group of individuals? If so, it's likely bullshit --- at least partly. This demarcation of 'too nice vs. no spine' has gotz to go. I tell my Girl that going to the club is disrespectful and that i am against the concept off male friends. This…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 08:41 AM
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The only reason I started to pull myself toward whatever you could call a source of light from the hellhole that is modern dating --- people don't realize that men with options can quickly descend into a dark hedonistic, hateful spiral, from which some never seem to recover at all --- was my son. The thought of the world warping his good, optimistic, kind, empathetic, and brave nature was a serious wake up call to stop fucking around and figure out a way for him to survive this as intact as poss…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 08:34 AM
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Culture ruins female's mentalities on real life dating Dating or trying to date ruins male mentalities on real life dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 08:20 AM
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Well I assumed that the evil overlords would plot for it to happen at this time.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 08:19 AM
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Most men would prefer to protect their feelings and blame women rather than actually trying and being rejected from time to time. There's how you did it. So telling men that they should pursue what they want When men are leaving the building aka the dating market in unprecedented amounts, and over half not even having approached a woman in the last year, it's clear that more and more of them don't want it. So you coming in here with some pseudo macho silliness combined with painting a picture th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 08:18 AM
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Lol what I'm reading from you is that nothing works. Then you need to add comprehending to that reading you're doing. Which is? What's rational? Cost-Benefit analysis. all these things matter in what way? Are you aware of all of these concepts are man made? They change from society to society, from generation to generation, etc. And all pretense to real masculinity explodes. No sale, dude. Agree to disagree. So a man can be affected by rejection and your advice is to lecture women about fairness…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 06:04 AM
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Also you're living your life based on assumptions, Yeah buddy, this Chuck Norris pep talk shit maybe would work on someone who was inexperienced or hadn't experienced outsize success to understand what works what doesn't and snuffed out the bullshit along the way. But that isn't who you're talking to. Do you understand why I used the word masculinity? Thus far it seems to mean reject rationality, i.e. cost-benefit analysis. You're a man, no matter how hard it hurts or gets, you don't have much o…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 05:22 AM
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Is it really masculine to chase someone who you really aren't THAT excited about who isn't ANY better than you are Most men would prefer to protect their feelings and blame women rather than actually trying and being rejected from time to time. Bruh, it isn't "from time to time." This flow-chart is pretty hilarious but spot on... https://www.datingmetrics.com/dating-rejection-statistics/ If you as a man understand some random rejection from some random women means nothing about youor your value,…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 04:37 AM
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Take a look at this graph: https://miro.medium.com/v2/resize:fit:1024/1*iC0UjKDxFViE3XZuk6MMUw.jpeg A man at the 80% tile of physical attractiveness will typically be (as in greater than not chance of matching) matching with someone in the 20% tile of female physical attractiveness. Past that, women are giving him a hard time. 100% certain these women have the same mindset as the OP. though, and many women shot it down with claims that they dated below them and those guys were WORSE THAN CHAD! T…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 03:16 AM
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you got it almost right The elite men (top top top %) both extract value from other men and reap outsize rewards and they also extract....whatever they want from women. Normal men subsidize women, and both subsidize in one way or another, the men at the very top
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 03:11 AM
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men need to Not do much beyond look good seeing as how that's the most salient predictor (but not the dominant predictor --- which would just be variance) of female mate choice. men still need women Doesn't seem like it, since men are quite literally leaving the dating market and women at unprecedented rates. Video games and porn were enough. Imagine what will happen when AI robot gfs get here...and then artificial wombs. women need to go above the baseline of the ability to produce children to …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 03:09 AM
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Describing someone as funny is meaningless unless you are essentially stating 'compared to average, x is funny,' so nah.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 03:06 AM
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Nice. More guys get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 03:04 AM
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By definition men who have those qualities are no longer average. HOWEVER a lot of research shows that women ascribing those qualities to men more has to do with the man's attractiveness than anything real about the man, so..
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 03:04 AM
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Why should people treat the average woman as anything more than a vagina? I'm just wondering if your reductive view of people goes both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 03:02 AM
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I'm defining Masculinity as any set of traits women find attractive in men in a given society/population. Similarly, Femininity is any set of traits men find attractive in women in a given society/population. " Except these definitions fail to govern how the sexes should relate to one another or to members of the other sex that they are not dating/sleeping with. Which is a huge problem, because if you are at all familiar with basic research on what seems to govern "attraction" (physical appearan…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 03:00 AM
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OP it's a trap, here is the key tell in how you know someone is looking to seriously discuss with you versus invalidate your lived experience and feelings Who has told you that you should be removed from society? How are women hostile to you? Can you please give examples? What nonsense. Millions of people are socially ostracized and excluded and marginalized every day without a single word being said about it to them. A man's mind has become so warped by his lived experience that he has outlined…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 02:53 AM
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You can live out that life yourself now. There are apps with plenty of women on them who are looking for donors or will carry a kid and in many cases, if you want, they'll let you raise the kid on your own. Ultimately, this will do nothing. If you think you experienced bad abuse at the hands of your parents, what makes you think being 'raised by the state' won't result in widespread institutionalized abuse? Furthermore you're removing a big part of the human experience --- romantic love --- from…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/23 02:49 AM
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That's nowhere near the biggest lie women tell lol And no a below average woman gets more leads than the hottest guy
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 08:53 PM
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Maybe not all younger women but definitely a sizeable percentage are attracted to older men.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 08:52 PM
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Exactly an "argument" dumpkopfs make.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 08:36 PM
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Word, like social science research and replicated findings are cringe af. When they hurt ur feefees.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 08:27 PM
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Nope. Each woman thinks she's giving weight but she isn't. Because it's variance and looks and that's it
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 09:02 AM
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Okay, so you got a long term relationship. I'll go back to your comment. The first thing you said: nope. I did it just fine. Sort of irrelevant because again, this is supposed to be general advice. Everyone will not benefit from just conforming to society's male beauty standards. It doesn’t matter if I became what a lot of females say they want. Because when I have the choice it’s what I want at the end of the day. Do you really have choice? Sure, no doubt you get increased choice among casual s…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 05:00 AM
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Oh you're married with a family now?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 04:54 AM
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Not every man being capable of that is specifically the point of improving yourself, Do you not see what the main issue is? You improve yourself to female standards. Fuck that, that's stupid. Second, it's not going to fix the problem. The problem is the incessant focus on pussy as the goal of life. Let it go. Realize that you are never going to have enough strength to satiate your desires. It will never end. Walk away. Find your spirit. And then by all means improve yourself, within the bounds o…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 04:50 AM
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I know that my spot-on analysis annoyed you, made you incredulous, so much so that you needed to insult me. Because you have deep rooted presumptions regarding courtship that are likely incorrect.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 03:05 AM
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Yeah bro. I never took spirituality seriously until witnessing real power
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 02:18 AM
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The first two are ridiculous even though I understand the rationale behind them (it mainly has to do with how women form opinions and what positive judgments vs negative judgments from them typically mean) The problem is that those rationales increasingly apply to men too --- men increasingly are emotional and conformist as well, so...idk. I'd say it'd be an interesting experiment to try that, at least in the case of adultery. If only to see if it had an impact on how women selected their marria…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 01:29 AM
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Depending on the woman and what I'm looking for the only first date I'll consider her for is a Netflix and chill. The last film I took a girl on cinema date to was Iron Man 2, and it was a mistake. investing too much of anything into a woman is a mistake before she makes it clear she is actually sexually attracted to you. 90% of the time if she's not coming over or I'm not coming over on date 2 I fade into the myst. Do people even still go on cinema dates? Bro I love dating.....my girlfriend. Be…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 01:02 AM
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It's not the job of men to uphold these virtues Avoiding responsibility. have made their choice clean they do not care for these qualities Shifting blame for avoiding responsibility. Please tell me what does a man gain No higher purpose beyond yourself. ​ WOMAN
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 12:25 AM
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So the way women try to read all sorts of personality attributes and character details from photos perturbs you, but not that extremely thin superficial slices of all types of data also elicit the same types of judgment from them? That's how women are. They're hyper judgy and confuse their feelings about something with some objective quality of that something. If a woman laughs at your jokes, are you funny? Probably not. If a woman thinks that what you just said was really smart, are you smart? …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 12:13 AM
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Wrong! The first step to being with a woman is to be a man she FINDS ATTRACTIVE. PHYSICALLY AND SUPERFICIALLY. BEHAVIOR IS IRRELEVANT
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 12:10 AM
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When defining as ‘wanting the best’, guys are hypergamous too. They’re just hypergamous in terms of looks. Women are even more hypergamous in terms of looks and...pretty much everything else. But the point is that male hypergamy doesn't matter because only women can actually enforce their hypergamy. Yet, the same guys wanting to criticize women for their actions will deny that men do the same thing. Virtually all women ignore perfectly nice reasonable men at around their attractiveness level. On…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/23 12:08 AM
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Said the woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 11:53 PM
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It's not weak minded it is human nature. You don't seem to understand that (1) it's not necessarily human nature, it's just a cognitive bias that exists that sometimes people exhibit and (2) that even if it were human nature, exhibit it vs. not exhibit it and acting on it, i.e. being weak-minded or not, is a separate category. Ergo, people who act on this part of 'human nature' would still be weak-minded. Tending someone with cancer isn't being a doormat wtf. Based on.....? Hint: your arbitrary …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 11:51 PM
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Yes, you're referring to a cognitive bias. People who are subject to them are weak-minded. So it's incorrect to simply ascribe being weak-minded to all the populous. It'd be like saying it's human nature to exhibit confirmation bias. While yes, generally people exhibit it, the main people who take it seriously and act on it are weak minded. Either way being a doormat doing everything for a woman is insta repellent. Every guy knows this. Yeah like if your wife has cancer and you have to be at her…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 11:40 PM
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It's an individual solution for one man. Not really without knowing more about the man in question. Significant changes typically require improvements of about 2 SD from average. 1) not every man is capable of that 2) not every man, even after significant change, will reap returns that match his effort. As a man your life will be better in every single way the more your improve in this area. Not really. I've witnessed the result of self-improvement. Some friends, a few, have benefitted enormousl…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 11:21 PM
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The final solution to all the dating game exist. But it's not a" systemic " solution it's more an " individual " solution. Starting with a terrible understanding of how most anything maco works... When you successfully attract a beautiful blonde, she had to reject 8 guys for you. So the solution is this : Raise your value as man as high as possible . Be the best of the market. On the macro level this fails because that just moves everyone up, and if female hypergamy only cares about relative val…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 11:12 PM
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No. Children need mothers. And i think having a step mother, as opposed to a real mother would give me more influence while raising that child. Greatest risk factor for child abuse is living with a step parent.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 10:42 PM
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Yes you didn't like someone judging you personally and yet did the same to the OP. Interesting:)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 09:21 PM
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Once again...a simple Google search reveals that what I'm describing is pretty common among the rich. How about you just research topics before opining on them
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 09:20 PM
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No one else replied so now you're lying I understood your comment: a knee-jerk attempt at an attack that was nonsense. You should also research what good and bad faith in this context means :)
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 09:18 PM
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You're not conversating, you're engaged in status jockeying. From character smearing to twisting valid points made into others as "unattractive traits"
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 09:14 PM
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write a cogent thought first.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 09:11 PM
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None of what you typed makes any sense, from failing to specify what the OP commented that is the opposite of empathy and kindness to not understanding what bad faith means to trying to imitate the teacher. Try again.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 09:06 PM
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^ claims to be the arbiter of what is and is not kindness. Status: DISQUALIFIED from serious discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 09:01 PM
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A person of normal intelligence would never claim to know all possible things a type of person could say. Grade: F
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 09:00 PM
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^ this is instructive and should show all men that women are extremely shallow As I say nothing in your behavior profile MATTERS regarding her decision to romantically associate with you or sexually associate with you
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 08:58 PM
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Lol such rationalizations. No some people are just stupid. People who fall prey to the above types of thinking are psychologically weak and are unfit women for anything serious. It's best that any man avoids paying credence to nonsense like being :hard to get: and letting that stifle his true self in finding a partner. OP hasn't yet learned that the majority of people aren't worth getting into any real association with.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 08:55 PM
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This is another sad sorry thing that men say. And I get it. Women have collectively shit on good but perhaps not conventionally attractive men for almost a generation now. But you're just joining them and breaking the main rule, here....I'm going to sound a little out there... What does your heart say about this viewpoint you espouse? If you try and present yourself as some neutral arbitar of reality in response then I'll know you're not ready to discuss. So many men know in their hearts that wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 08:47 PM
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neither study involves women actually choosing someone, a real person, to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 07:47 PM
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That's nice --- women rate men shown with cues of wealth as far more physically attractive than the same men without them: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S109051381730315X They orgasm more with wealthy men https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1090513808001177 I don't think of it at all It definitely matters because women, better than anyone else, would know the effect power differentials have on them. If it's as I say that women will simply do things they…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 07:21 PM
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I don't think any woman that Weinstein had sex with actually wanted to have sex with him or enjoyed it in any way, shape or form. Extremely naive viewpoint. First, statistically at least a third definitely derived some enjoyoment/pleasure because a third of rape victims climax anyway. Second, the dude is 6', so he has a quality that most women find sexually attractive, right there. I don't think there is a single woman who would've had sex with Harvey if they knew they could get what they wanted…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 07:05 PM
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LMAO extreme wealth has such a high correlation with status that to try and separate them is silly. And you're just talking about outliers....like how many broke men have extreme power. EXTREME. Practically zero. It's like people on PPD go out of their way to just miss the point and avoid basic facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 06:48 PM
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Guess what a simple Google search reveals that the shit I'm talking about is fairly prevalent among the super rich....the girls participating are all young, beautiful and come from varying backgrounds
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 06:45 PM
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I'm glad you brought up Weinstein. Here's the super controversial take... In my OP I mentioned that retrospectively what the women did was so out of character that the way they present their lived experience may be tough to reconcile with what you'd see if maybe you had been a fly on the wall in one of those hotel rooms where Weinstein committed these acts. And let's be real... Weinstein got taken down because he pissed off the wrong coalition of powerful MEN. I don't know who but...common sense…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 06:39 PM
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The fact that rich people laying low != they also don't have their own bubble To then assert that rich people being out of sight meaning you really have no fucking idea what goes on behind closed doors means money isn't king is beyond daft.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 06:12 PM
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which lets everyone know you did read it have nothing to add but are desperate to be an edgelord
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 06:02 PM
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That's true but also has very nothing to do with anything. The bubble I described is largely unnoticed and unseen by normal people.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 05:49 PM
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Hypothetically, but (1) that's not the situation this post refer to and (2) the number of men possessing extreme wealth who also somehow are not powerful or fail to exert influence is --- if it exists at all --- an outlier and not worth consideration.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 05:20 PM
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In the realm of Red Pill ideology, women are often portrayed as being indifferent and even cruel towards men. This is a misunderstanding. Women, like men, are capable of intense savagery. That men are so shocked by this illustrates that boys become adults who simply are unequipped to step into being a man. It is simply naive to believe any human being, ANY one of them, is incapable of atrocity. The Red Pill's concept of the "cock carousel" aligns eerily well with the patterns of hyper-promiscuit…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 05:15 PM
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Reread what I asked and try again Hint: neither study involves women actually choosing someone, a real person, to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 03:47 PM
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You know why. A lot of men are suggesting things out of hurt rather than sound mind.... .....you know acting on emotion. Like women
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 03:39 PM
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We who?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 03:24 PM
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Even yours despite the high desire to throw a big temper tantrum
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 03:23 PM
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Based on...?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 03:22 PM
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Yeah pretty close to 100% dude. Trust and believe. women are conformist and rule followers and are extremely sensitive to status hierarchies. And the way people act in the presence of money especially extreme money is such that the flood of subcommunications and subtle indications of the hierarchy in that bubble will reorient her in a near literal snap. Because you were in the normal world one second where your looks commanded a certain level of deference. In the next second, no one acknowledges…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 11:23 AM
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It shouldn't. I'm not one to use religious speak but the only real word to describe a lot of them is godless. Maybe soulless.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 11:06 AM
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No one is arguing whether a woman was actually attracted to you...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 11:05 AM
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Yeah that's the first sentence of my OP, so thanks for the recap
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 11:00 AM
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No necessarily. there is no debate. You don't get it. This girl could have just gotten done giving you the best blowjob of your life and looking at you with loving eyes and telling you genuinely she loves you. And within 20 minutes of stepping foot into let's say, one of those yaycht parties, be getting bent over right in front of you by some ugly A-level producer and loving it. And granted, power is attractive. But money doesn't guarantee power, and power can exist without much money. So, you'r…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 10:48 AM
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The point is that you can have whatever lifestyle you want at that level and that any woman who gets sucked into that is going to be actually attracted to whoever is the source of that 'bubble.'
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 10:42 AM
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I realize this perspective is the result of guys ignoring women who are normal Never happened. Entire OP predicated on a premise so false that a basic google search would reveal how nonsensical it is. Educate yourself about the "facts" or "assumptions" that undergird your entire OP Grade: F
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 09:22 AM
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Just because a biological urge exists does not mean it can't cloud someone's better judgment. I'd say that perhaps the idealization of motherhood is a scam, because it likely does markedly differ from the reality of motherhood. Her believing the social depiction of "motherhood" is a scam is not the mindset that has resulted from this "hedonistic" society. Her chafing at the heavy responsibility presented by motherhood --- that's the result of hedonism. The abdication of duty. IMO is a consequenc…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 09:21 AM
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Men and women are entirely similar. Expecting men to stand up for women in situations they have no context in is ridiculous. Your first statement is flat out false. No matter how much you want to be a woman, you will never actually be one. Accept it. You're spinning a situation where a grown man is assaulting a much smaller woman as "no context?" Bro, a dude who goes full ham on a man -- maybe kicks the other guy's ass; same dude goes full ham on a woman --- the chick is in danger of death. Eith…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 09:01 AM
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This post is instructive on two points: (1) the latent opposition society has to a man having a simple request like a paternity test in this day and age and (2) the raw efficacy of lying to women. This should be common sense, but dropping the "I want a paternity test" bomb on your partner when she's pregnant or after she's given birth is a scumbag move Says who? You? Easy, cheap test that inconveniences no one...except anyone with something to hide. And hey, even they may beat the odds! If he re…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 06:14 AM
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but it's not the only factor I stated it as found --- nothing else for all intents and purposes is relevant. Just go look up the speed dating studies. This is intro level knowledge on these topics. and there is no insecurity and fear and longing when you can label it as unachievable unrelatable bullshit. And I do! Except when whatever parts of insecurity and fear appear in the defined psychological construct known as neuroticism. But during the timescale during which initial dating decisions are…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 04:10 AM
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Idk dating apps have their definite cons but there are a lot of pros. My experience isn't the typical man's experience and it likely isn't the top .005% of men on tinder's experience, and it sure as shit isn't the female experience on tinder....or any dating app. Once dating apps --- or any other product --- fail to provide enough average value, there won't be a need to liquidate anything. They will collapse. They're just successful enough so that people keep using them. Just enough people win j…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 03:46 AM
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You don't get it, study after study that examines the factors influencing female dating decisions in situations where they actually are choosing who they will date after interacting with them have repeatedly demonstrated that.... ....none of that other shit matters. not even one little bit. it's variance 1 looks 2 It has nothing to do with me "Treating women as sex objects" (jesus christ what a furious kneejerk 'have to slur him now' reaction because nothing in my comments suggests I do that nor…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 03:04 AM
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https://www.nber.org/papers/w14969
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 03:02 AM
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The OP is titled "the friend fallacy," implying that the notion of needing and making friend groups for ' saying you need them or that they are a prerequisite for relationships/sex or that if you don't have them you will have a weird dependency issue with a girlfriend. '" is a fallacy The rational inference from those two facts alone implies no random reddit commenter, the OP in fact intended to make a generalized claim. I suggest you learn to read in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 03:01 AM
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Yeah I do all right. I wish I could show my really short friend's tinder results from 5 years ago it was nearly double mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/23 12:52 AM
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Oh well, with the stink that loud, according to you minority, has raised it simply isn't worth it. But yes you should just work on contributing just a little bit to the interaction I think lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 11:31 PM
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Because women have practically made approaching in those areas a no fly zone. And if you're not even willing to give a guy an invitation to approach like a smile or a wave or anything, I'd say you're the reason men are missing out too.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 11:22 PM
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Yeah but me or whatever hot guy would eventually talk to you because one of your more extroverted friends would talk to us first, then we'd just slide over to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 10:40 PM
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Yes. They want to be like women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 10:21 PM
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It doesn’t stand to reason that any single factor would be irrelevant. The overwhelming relevant factor is variance. The only factor ascribable to a man that is relevant is his appearance. Familiarize yourself with some of the research. If you focus on research that actually has women making real dating decisions, this finding is replicated over and over again.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 10:20 PM
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Well those people are either misguided or meaning that for casual sex, men fuck down. I mean idk I haven't seen the girls or the guys they're dating or know your situation. However, just going by data generally people date people who are around their level
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 09:29 PM
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Okay. Go find me any study or data set showing that "social skills" is a significant predictor of female mating choice under conditions where women are actually picking someone to date. Happy hunting :)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 09:27 PM
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So you're now going to criticize a man who did something you most likely would never be brave enough to attempt? And distort the objective goodness of preventing someone else from likely suffering worse harm? Dude... let's change ONE FACTOR let's say that you were an 8 year old kid and that was your mom and your piece of shit dad or hell, step dad, who knows? Did that man do a good thing or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 09:25 PM
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If I meet other people’s needs without them having to ask, then they will meet my needs without me having to ask. Having a lot of experience with co-dependent women, this is the number one thing about co dependents that fucking infuriates me. Oh, so I should generally put my best interests first and not feel bad about that. Well, yeah, I knew that, I just thought wives were some weird exception. I'll just stop treating my wife like an exception and boom, Red Pill swallowed." This is so incorrect…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 09:17 PM
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No one says men have to date down. Most men date across or likely up. Men pretty much have to fuck across or down. And for an easy low maintenance relationship, dating across or down is a smart play. I've seen genuinely beautiful 8-10/10 women dating men that are average looking at absolute best. Let's assume a huge status or money differential isn't at play and you aren't underrating the men (all common). That doesn't make this situation the norm. People generally match up with people similar t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 09:13 PM
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Good point. Most every time I talk about women, I'm mainly referring to white women. I think it's sort of understood that that's where female privilege reaches a level that is stupefying.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 09:00 PM
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This is a real "if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes back" post. Completely disagree with this post. It seems entirely aimed at "revenge" against women for women shirking responsibility and avoiding blame for...well, most anything. The truth is that this is not responsibility of men as a collective, just as all women are not responsible to put in place a woman manipulating a man for resources. Like it or not yes it is. If you have the power to prevent someone from getting legitima…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 08:50 PM
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Goal directed behavior is now "sociopathic" behavior? Filed in: non-sequitur of the week award. I see. So you never go anywhere or do anything with the specific intent to pick up a cute chick to bang. Either you never have that impulse (false) or you're bullshitting yourself. And the fact that you're acting as though bedding a girl the same night can't lead to a relationship is another lolwtf are you a woman moment. So you essentially delude yourself into a version of reality where "you just wan…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 08:40 PM
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I was banned from bumble earlier this year after some chick reported me for telling her to hit me up if she wanted to meet sometime soon. So, we know who wields power on these apps... Regardless... It's important that we stop elevating women as the result of innate qualities and more focus on cultural factors. Women are biologically selective for several reasons Yes but those reasons aren't present on dating apps. Dating apps -- and by extension a lot of American social life and custom --- reinf…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 08:25 PM
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See, this is the kind of shit that has to stop. He's like a super nice, religious guy that was single for years because he was taking care of his old mother. He also has a minor disability that probably affected his self-confidence. This is a GOOD man. But objectively, he's a bit of a chump. Yet another exhibit in why men are playing a large part in today's problems. If you can't respect and appreciate what that man did for you and your mother, then seriously wtf. Objectively, he's not a chump. …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 07:54 PM
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See you're turning this into a joke and the punchline just may be 70 year old you who just sees the right guy and gets so aroused she dies of a heart attack. Stay vigilant
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 07:38 PM
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Nope. Female sexuality is activated and receptive while a man's is active. Hence, when a man can activate your libido with just his appearance, it'll be quite shocking to you. It's not a matter of whether this thing happens, it's just a matter of when it will happen to you
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 07:21 PM
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Thank god then there are more outcomes available than constant disappointment and "pleasant surprise." There's the approach of --- expected result. I want x, I get x. Aka being a fucking winner. This "well I'll just go out and have a good time" is seriously feminine. The irony of course is that a random approach like that is likely to lead to a lot of constant disappointment with few pleasant surprises. Stop bullshitting yourself. You went out because you want to take a girl home and fuck her.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 06:32 PM
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And you made some key rookie moves that confirm my point. The fact that you characterized that interaction as fun flirting, passionate, etc. when it's essentially ego stroking means you don't have the best eye for social dynamics. In my experience, unwarranted narcissism works more than focusing on her. Not for anyone who is better looking than you are and isn't having a shit self-esteem day (or life). No i just think you're overly negative about reality. No one wants a boring conversationalist,…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 06:29 PM
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Because it's not dumb for women to approach because they can do whatever socially without consequences. I'm talking as a guy who gets approached, so nothing's holding me back. Point blank: spam approaching is stupid at best and in 2023 criminal at worst if you are a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 06:23 PM
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You never know for sure but with experience you can be >90% certain. That's cool, you apparently don't take the most efficient direct path to your goals. I like efficiency.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 06:15 PM
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Are you the most attractive partner they've had?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 06:14 PM
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Its not a long ass kissing process, the more ass kissing the worse your results will be, actually Not really --- paint by numbers panty peeler for courtship: make convo about her, find something that excites her or that she's passionate about, get her talking about that, be direct and honest but brief when answering questions about you, redirect to her, start light relationship roleplay while starting to sexually escalate with touches that have friendly touch plausible deniability.... ...can get…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 06:06 PM
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It is quite simply CORRECT that if you LOOK GOOD people will approach you. This has worked for me. It even worked for a dude who was like 5'3 I knew who had the face of a greek god. That's who I fucking got it from, way before there was anything called the black pill. He'd just go to the bar, wearing a leather jacket, looking like some kind of idk puerto rican James Dean...sit there, lean back in the stool, and like clockwork within maybe half an hour he's in convos with cute girls. If women are…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 06:02 PM
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It's not easy because it's bullshit. Notice how these terms "emotional connection" "socialization" "social skills" are all very vague and can only be analyzed by reference to the results of interactions? That's by design. They account for pretty much 0% of whether a woman is sexually attracted to a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 06:00 PM
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Fun fact: Sitting at a bar alone and looking good will get people to talk to you and invite you to a group. Spam approaching a bunch of strangers is pretty stupid in 2023.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 05:59 PM
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Socialization = nonsense that is unhelpful with sexually attracting women, which as far as factors a man has any influence over, the only one that counts is looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 05:57 PM
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The crux of the issue isn't getting a girlfriend for most guys, I'd say. Most guys are waking up to the reality of "courtship" as just mostly a long ass-kissing process that a woman making them go through is pretty much evidence that they do not have a high amount of sexual attraction for them. Once you experience women who are highly sexually attracted to you and that relationship dynamic and its timeline, you definitely aren't going back, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 05:55 PM
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Whoever he is, he is really gonna fuck you up due to your inexperience
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 05:54 PM
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Wow. A tall guy that just speaks reality rather than spin his success into a "muh personality and charisma" spiel.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 05:53 PM
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Doesn't have to be whatever mythical 'chad' placeholder. It's sufficient that the dude just be above you in some way :)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 05:51 PM
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What I see that's kind of funny is that people are not very succinct when it comes to their views. Its often just men bad. Woman bad. Red pill bad or whatever. Says people aren't succinct, then gives examples of succinct viewpoints he observes. We're off to a great start... in my opinion the problem plaguing these gender discussion is everyone thinks they are right rather than ask questions. Not really. One side consistently has data backing it up and the other side tends to have "actually, no, …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 05:49 PM
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We all know the often cited data that Men find 80 percent of Woman attractive but Woman in turn are only attracted to 20 percent of Men Incorrect statement of that lone okcupid blog post from like 2009. Whether these figures are accurate or not it’s very obvious that there is a huge discrepancy between men and women’s sexual standards. Standards for casual sex, I think you mean. If a women isn’t fat and has decent hygiene most men will find her more then attractive enough to sleep with. This nee…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 05:40 PM
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Location is a part of variance and while variance --- OVERALL -- supersedes looks, location really more or less is still about your looks. Let me explain. In a big city a woman simply will have access to better looking higher status men than she would in a smaller city. I live in probably the most godless hedonistic city in the US -- I do all right. I can run through 6's, catch 7's occasionally, and once in a blue moon score with an 8 under the same "quick to sex" system/routine. But when I visi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 05:24 PM
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I don't think it's your age that's causing them to dismiss you like that, given this quasi-zealot with a light touch of bizarre eugenics screed of yours. Geriatric pregnancy is age 35+, historically the age of last childbirth for women was in their early 40's so either most all of history women have been dysgenic and abusive or what you're saying is nonsense. All bets on the latter.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 01:29 PM
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Except normal human beings, who need positive relationship of all types to thrive. Congrats on talkin' tough, tho.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 11:46 AM
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No one gives a shit about you and your "independence." Your claim is that people assert that having friends is important, generally. Your response that in your specific case that that notion fails to apply, fails to meaningfully contend with the original claim. And that's if we take your Billy Badass assertions as true. Sorry pal, I don't buy that you're not dependent in any way on other people. Maybe in your mind you think that, but to date I have yet to see this mythical "super sigma male bro!…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 08:28 AM
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Empirical reality feels great unlike the single anecdote you've used to contend with an actual study. Of a supermodel who is likely in competition with younger MODELS. Are most attractive women in settings like this? Does her experience represent the norm? Here if you want to make a point just find me any data set that shows a woman's actual pool of matches or options significantly changes.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 07:13 AM
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Except she really won't. An attractive older woman outclasses a "random" younger woman. https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn940-men-choose-beauty-before-age/ See, you'd know these things if you had a lot of experience. I have a shit ton. Which is why I do. Let go of the revenge porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 06:41 AM
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I've had periods of my life where I was blitzing through a new girl every day or two and periods where I'd pretty much be at my lonesome grinding on whatever for months. Obviously that includes a vigorous social life and the times where you're in a committed relationship too. Never thought any were trouble. Just phases of me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 05:51 AM
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Marketers target female insecurity about their age to get them to keep buying products. Do you not understand that (1) a culturally ingrained insecurity and (2) marketers exploiting that does not (3) mean that there need be an appreciable difference in a woman's dating life over time? Most of everyone's life is lived inside of their own head against things that never happened, are speculated to be happening, perceptions about what would happen, and attempting to fit whatever that individual's wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 05:40 AM
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Because those products increase female attractiveness regardless of age. You're confusing how makeup is marketed with why makeup is useful. Marketers target female insecurity about their age to get them to keep buying products. Women are also very aware that for all the attention they might get, there are always younger and prettier women just around the corner and as they get older, That fear exists for all women regardless of age vis a vis a man they truly find attractive. as they get older, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 04:39 AM
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The obsession men have with love is extremely feminine and needs to die soon. I can't take much more of it. First, it isn't love men are after, it's validation. That's pretty much what men want. Which is what women live for. And you think you want a woman's love, until you get it a few times and you see that while there are good points (if you're really in a pinch, you can crash at some chick's house rent free and she'll help you out)....there are a lot of eye rolling parts about it to. Women ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 03:45 AM
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Women are attracted by and large to hegemonic masculinity in various forms. Patriarchy doesn't work if half the populous isn't also enforcing it. Research shows a clear hierarchy of men who get laid and into relationships with women. On the bottom: the egalitarians. Far ahead but still not the top: the misogynists The Winner Winner Chicken Dinner: the benevolent sexists. Benevolent sexism is old school patriarchal attitudes about women to a T. And women like it best. https://journals.sagepub.com…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 03:30 AM
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You met a woman who was horny and wanted to get laid while you wanted a relationship. When she realized that she moved on, and you incorrectly concluded that you have to try and have sex with women as fast as possible. Bad reasoning. If a woman actually likes you, she won't mind waiting a bit. She'd probably prefer it, truth be told. This kind of reasoning on display here is a result of men increasingly becoming feminized though.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 03:26 AM
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For example, men want these super super clear direction when life isn't really like that It kind of is. However, society masks truth in favor of whatever prevailing worldview curries favor, which means that it's hard to figure out what works. Like no, have you thought about nuance What you're describing isn't nuance. What you're describing is people adhering to the literal decimal point of their stated preferences...which no one does and no one presents themselves as doing, so you're not making …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 03:02 AM
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When I was homeless I didn’t have the option of being a “bitch” to an older women to escape my poverty, I did! During my most down and broke times there was always some loving woman to take care of me. So.... ...men do it too. As the quote goes on Seinfeld: there aren't handsome homeless.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 02:55 AM
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Bruh go read a history book. In the premier ancient democracy, Athens, women weren't allowed to vote. Women weren't allowed to vote in this constitutional republic until fairly recently, either. So wtf are you talking about?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 02:52 AM
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So because you are an unfeeling gray mass of a person this means that friends are not important to have a fulfilling life? Bad reasoning, hoss.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 02:50 AM
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This is a nonsense post that aims to handwave away research spanning nearly 100 years that has documented several fundamental and significant differences between men and women biologically and culturally. It doesn't even make sense with reference to itself. Attractive women end up with attractive men therefore men and women aren't that different, or men and women aren't that different therefore attractive women end up with attractive men? aside from obvious physical differences there is no actua…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 02:48 AM
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You've got it all wrong --- your continued failure to comprehend what my initial comment means adds zero value to the discussion :)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 12:49 AM
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Oh look, doubling down on the conflation with casual sex and partying. Learn to read The discussion is about casual sex, not partying.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 12:48 AM
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If people accepted how ridiculously stupid and shallow they all were, ironically, it'd be much easier to take so much of life less personally lol
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 12:44 AM
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I'm sorry that a sentence like this: the main factor that decides your success in dating is VARIANCE is "vague and confusing" for someone like you.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/23 12:43 AM
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Top 5% of guys on dating apps are getting attractive young girls like crazy. Maybe, but if they're coming over for sex, it's at the ratios and under the conditions I described. If they're like...hanging out, and hooking up, and socializing and whatever else, that's different ---- the reality of which is also exaggerated. I know many hot girls and attractive guys in it and how they are. Yeah, you hold the dudes by the dick and go with them to every sexual encounter? You peer over every hot chick'…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 11:33 PM
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What's sad is people engage in borderline cruel ego pumps with this stuff and always attempt to shame men and blame men when an interaction doesn't work out. This is where the blue pill shines IF IT'S MEANT TO BE IT'LL BE In my opinion, much better advice than most everything in the other pills.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 11:26 PM
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^ fantasyland As someone who gets hundreds of matches I will tell you exactly how it goes if you're just going to (1) be up front and (2) only hunt for quick 'come over' sex The vast majority of matches never respond The majority of the ones who do respond, regardless of interest, disappear at some point. The majority of responders who respond, move to another platform to talk with you and actually plan a date and time to come over....flake I'd say a hit rate of 1-5/100 is more or less accurate.…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 11:07 PM
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Yes, and if we were talking about sampling methodology, that long screed you wrote would be of use. Because we are talking about sample size, unfortunately, what you wrote isn't even wrong. Do try and remember your own points. Your assertion is that a sample size of a few hundred is somehow way too small for a large population like the United States: which is ridiculous. Like I said, if you are in any way familiar with stats you should be able to answer this question: at what sample size do the …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 10:35 PM
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Nothing I said removes all agency from women. However, a woman's choice is a factor outside of your control i.e. part of VARIANCE
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 10:32 PM
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I'm not going to invest in a woman who isn't sexually attracted to me != not valuing spending time with a woman and having conversations with her. DUCY?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 10:28 PM
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my point is most men who go to college can join a frat. Based on assuming that the majority of men who rush could be accepted into frats that afforded the same opportunities and that the majority of men who were accepted could afford the dues.... ...yes, you are assuming your way into a point. You seem to be saying that a small % of men are having all the casual sex. You are also explicitly saying that casual sex is "about men sleeping with women they wouldn't date". As a guy who's had a fair am…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 10:21 PM
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Then you must have received an F in all of them because the size of the sampled population bears little relation to the size of the sample required to gain a statistically useful representation. Quick question, at what sample size do the main assumptions underlying the normal distribution attain? None of the questions you've asked are that important unless you're positing a radical shift in dating in the last 10 years that can rival two world wars and a sexual revolution
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 09:51 PM
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This is a misconception borne of the fact that women do not have to initiate. Men spread their attention above them, across from them, and below them. Those below them receive the treatment you're talking about. But the dynamic between those SAME men and the women across from and above them = they're eating shit just as hard as the lower guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 09:47 PM
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I tried to make an OP addressing this same phenomenon but the mods thought it was too "black pill" and "looks focused" to see the light of day. But here is the main thrust of that post from someone with a shit ton of experience: the main factor that decides your success in dating is VARIANCE The main factor that has anything TO DO WITH YOU that decides your success regarding whether or not she will say 'yes' to whatever your offer is, is your LOOKS The main factors that decide your success regar…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 09:44 PM
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The vast majority of men never join or are part of a frat. Not everyone who rushes a frat gets accepted. Now add the dues on top of it and it's painfully obvious that you're describing a very thin slice of american male life. An outlier among what? Among men who have casual sex? Dude go familiarize yourself with basic stats regarding the frequency of casual sex among men, the distribution, etc. before just opining that your experience = THE experience. Christ.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 09:16 PM
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What he said != general partying. And no, stop taking narratives from movies and media as reality. Hookup culture and whatnot is far from the majority college experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 09:14 PM
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You're not wrong, after all, 60% of young 18-29 men for one reason or another are avoiding relationships and dating. Pinning it solely on inflated female standards is a bit much. Look at the economy, too. Look at the extended adolescence men (and women) exist in nowadays. cultural shifts leading women to have different attitudes toward marriage, children, and careers, etc. There are many factors.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 07:40 PM
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This is wrong. Casual sex is a game where the quality of your options is set by your looks and whether they are capitalized on is set by your assertiveness/boldness. Those are the barriers to entry, they've always been the same. I cited a nice graph showing that the spread and proportion of sex partners accruing to "top men" hasn't changed much over the last century
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 07:38 PM
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Any guy who goes to college can join a frat Wrong out the gate. Any guy can also use dating apps. Wrong again regarding casual sex or ONS. It really doesn't matter what you see as an outlier. It's just basic familiarity with empirical reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 07:36 PM
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https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.aap9815 Them's the empirical data. Handwave away
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 07:03 PM
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You can agree. You'd essentially be banking on a huge change in a very stable metric that has withstood WORLD WARS that has essentially taken place over the last 10 years and only able to find reflection in those born post 1990. And the trend on that data you're talking about reversed IIRC the next year that that data was published.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 05:27 PM
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So you admit you come from a situation that itself is an outlier and then question the general rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 05:22 PM
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I was being nice. One of the best datasets had male smv peaking at 50 before starting to decline.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 05:20 PM
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You can keep attempting to assert your way into reality all you like. You're obviously someone with a vested interest in spouting 2000s Era pua talking points. Unfortunately I certainly have more experience than you and the likely truth is that you vastly overrate your appearance, project this onto "mid" women having too much confidence while rationalizing the lower mid but introverted women who give you a chance as "hot" You don't have to agree...but that's the likely reality
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 05:15 PM
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This is patently false and disconfirned by several lines of evidence
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 04:53 PM
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Like I said, nothing really supports what you're saying. For example, online men rate women on a bell curve, but message women overwhelmingly in the top percentiles of attractiveness. Dating app data show that the top % of attractive women get the most swipes and attention. It's just that men will spread that attention around, whereas women don't spread their "receptivity" down past whatever their personal threshold is. When I used to go out a lot, the hottest women consistently received the mos…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 04:49 PM
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The pool of men in their 30s isnt great. Most have avoidant attachment problems, tons of baggage or other reasons they are single. And yet many studies show that men reach their sexual prime as high as 50 and as low as early 30's...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 04:44 PM
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this is a fairly common canard, but I completely disagree with it. women of all attractiveness levels get "approached" with attractive women gaining considerably the most male attention but the most unattractive women getting a good deal more attention than even the most attractive men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 04:42 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-world_hypothesis
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 04:37 PM
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I'm not going to invest in a woman who isn't sexually attracted to me != zero interest in a woman outside of getting pussy. DUCY?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 04:34 PM
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We always were. Please read your initial comment that erroneously suggests good conversation can make a woman attracted to you who was NOT before. False! But hey, nice attempt at a rebrand
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 12:17 PM
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Nope. Real dates based on real interactions And nope, no man is making that jump because no man who a woman is not attracted to is getting enough time (8 weeks sustained interaction) to have any personality traits effect his physical attractiveness
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 12:15 PM
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My views regarding initial attraction reflect ALL research conducted in situations where women are in situations (not surveys) where they ACTUALLY choose men to date. You can argue that that is black pill (it isn't) so that you can handwave away discussion. I'm dismissive of people who insist on bleating loudly about topics they fail to familiarize themselves with and then throw tantrums --- like yours --- when confronted with reality. It makes you feel good to believe that only looks matter bec…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 09:32 AM
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No one said this. I referred to the well-replicated and robust research finding that in situations most resembling real life where women make REAL decisions on who to date, the two factors that matter pretty much to the exclusion of all else are LOOKS and VARIANCE. But sure, continue (1) being willfully ignorant of topics you opine about and (2) smearing people who simply bring up introductory level facts about that topic. Speaks highly of you as people...I mean speaks a lot :)
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 09:28 AM
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Reread the graph. The graph does not end in 1989. It ends with those born in 1989, so surely a good enough approximation of today. Also the sample sizes from the 1970s to 1989 are less than 200 for each decade. that is not a sample size that I would take seriously as representative Then I would suggest you brush up on introductory statistics to understand that what you just said is pretty silly.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 09:22 AM
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https://jaymans.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/numwomen-m.png Bruh, ain't much changed. If anything inceldom was worse in the late 19th/early 20th century with a full 1 in 10 men having 0 sexual partners. Granted social norms were more restrictive...but still
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 08:16 AM
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BRUH Casual sex has always been about men sleeping with women they wouldn't date and women chasing men out of their league who have no interest in anything serious. Dating apps and the internet just put the full reality out there for the world. This shit used to happen way back when at around the same frequency. It was just out of sight and guessed about. And yeah duh doy you met higher quality women and dated them because you're willing to pay the full price of access/kiss ass/do courtship for …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 07:59 AM
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The Wall is mostly revenge porn. The reality is that most women go their entire lives just meeting and dating men and are never without a ton of options, especially attractive ones and especially especially attractive ones that age well.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 07:57 AM
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your opening "salvo" in this discussion was to call me a crybaby, so as far as "levels" go you'd have to stand on a chair to even kiss my ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 07:50 AM
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Yes and you and others are full of it. Research has conclusively shown that in situations that most closely mirror real life dating, i.e. situations where women ACTUALLY choose partners....the only factors that COUNT are LOOKS and....VARIANCE. And that's it. Further, how entitled is it to say that a man's looks aren't enough to attract a woman, that he must be funny, have good conversation, social ability, values, etc. when women by and large are at BEST average at those things. don't go on date…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 07:41 AM
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So you're wholly ignorant of this topic and the research relating to it. I'd suggest researching topics you speak about before speaking about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 03:38 AM
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Good that even you realize you're not all that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 02:33 AM
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All the way to community College. Congrats
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 02:13 AM
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I bet you were proud when you got your GED
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 01:57 AM
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There literally is nothing worse in the world than a woman who doesn't want to fuck you trying to stick up for you lmao No thank you never nuh uh
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 01:51 AM
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Wrong. I'm not going to invest in a woman who isn't sexually attracted to me != I don't give two shits about them and am only interested in them for their body DUCY?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 01:48 AM
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Literally just did and pointed you to the fallacy you're committing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 01:21 AM
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Yeah you're too ignorant to get the connection. Research the just world hypothesis maybe?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 01:10 AM
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The fact that every female led society in history has quickly collapsed, mostly.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 12:27 AM
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Lol what a braindead response that ignores the effect on the economy infrastructure etc. It's about continuing civilization
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 12:20 AM
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It's not just MGTOW guys dumpkopf. It's fully 60% of men age 18-29. Lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/23 12:03 AM
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And because you refuse to discuss and good faith and meet the point I present in favor grinding some weird talking point axe, I leave you to it. The irony is that I illustrated why your question was inapposite, gave the answer, and explained why the answer was trivial. All things we could have discussed. But hey why do that when you can go for lame loaded questions
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 11:14 PM
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It's the same type of reasoning and thought process reflected in another form so that you can see how ridiculous it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 11:12 PM
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Yes several people who don't know what they're talking about have no idea how to respond to my point. Which is telling since it's 101 level feminism. Feel free to ask specific questions about which terms and concepts you fail to understand. And I will gladly explain.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 11:10 PM
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Incorrect. Women aren't aroused by conversation. They are aroused by looks and height primarily
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 11:09 PM
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Lmfao and whoooo made the hegemonic masculinity code? Elite men And who enforces that code Women Imagine for a second that what women are attracted to is far more malleable than you think. Isn't it a little funny that the same dudes who were killing it in 1950 are more or less still killing it today despite all the feminism?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 10:28 PM
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Only to someone who as I said...doesn't understand this topic much at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 10:19 PM
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Because 3rd string question asking rhetorical gambits that attempt to incorrectly reframe an issue don't deserve a response. Feel free to answer mine though.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 10:18 PM
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Understanding reality isn't misogyny, hombre. Rather than ask silly leading questions just make whatever asinine point you're going to make. Women know if you arouse them within a few minutes.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 09:50 PM
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Nonsensical just world reasoning "People who complain about injustice typically will he unjust to others" On the same level. Again this what we call "status quo apologetics"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 09:46 PM
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Women get attention from dating apps and their social circles. Plenty.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 09:45 PM
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Nonsense. Vibe = how attracted she is to you. It's not something you cultivate. She either is or is not attracted to you. If she's attracted she will light up naturally And honestly I don't want good conversation. I want to find out first if this woman wants to sleep with me. Idle chatter and emotional investment in a woman who isn't into you is a waste of time
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 09:42 PM
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It definitely does serve patriarchy when the same hegemonic masculinity is enforced today by women like it was in 1960. And this enforcement keeps elite men on top. Like are you dense? No need to answer lol Because feminism is REALLY about preserving patriarchy and simply elevating women above non elite men. Hence the plight of millions DUE TO PATRIARCHY "isn't feminisms problem" Lmao What a tool
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 09:33 PM
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Is the main aim of feminism served by ensuring the continued existence of patriarchy and acting in patriarchy's best interest? Because little rhetorical gambit of yours are nonsensical. If feminism is actively promoting patriarchy then of course feminism will also "always be necessary," because by preserving the power of the elite men at the top women will never have the same choices as "men," of course when feminists speak of "men" they are referring mainly and chiefly to elite men...who are th…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 09:24 PM
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It doesn't make any sense because you don't understand anything about the topic you're talking about. Hegemonic masculinity and its enforcement by women = dating issues for modern men. Feminism is about dismantling patriarchy. If that's true then feminists would be concerned about the state of affairs.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 08:46 PM
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Such a nonsensical post misunderstands pretty much everything. Feminism allegedly was created to dismantle patriarchy. Today it actively serves the patriarchy. That's an issue, holmes.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 08:41 PM
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It's anything but women supremacy. Women still are subordinate to elite men. It's sort of like a deal with the devil. Women increase their status via non elite men but still are largely exploited by men at the top
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 08:39 PM
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Sadistic replies like this reveal modern feminism for what it is. A way to PRESERVE PATRIARCHY and just shift the position of women via non elite men
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 08:38 PM
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Actually to be consistent with its alleged aims feminism would know that hegemonic masculinity as promulgated by the patriarchy is responsible for the dating issues men face today, it's just that this is an arm of the patriarchy enforced by women regarding who can and cannot receive sex and love according to a very predictable set of culturally prescribed norms. If feminism is so concerned about breaking the patriarchy and gender norms it should be concerned with hegemonic masculinity and the br…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 08:35 PM
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Feminism did address it: no one owes you anything. Proving that women will defend any privileges they have as vigorously and ideologically and I would argue sadistically, as men. The response from men is them slowly just dropping out of society.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 08:32 PM
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K hit us up in 10 years when you've had one outside of marriage and have had an epiphany about this issue
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 07:28 PM
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You actually can, because both sexes spend roughly the same amount of time on appearance each day. And if you actually look at female profiles on dating apps, a ton are low effort selfies with no bios. Women are just picky in online dating because they can be and no other reason. Least of all anything to do with their 'Attractiveness effort"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 04:46 PM
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You're going too far. You cannot blame people for an internal drive we all have --- to be loved, You also cannot really blame people for responding to social conditioning that they have no control over --- this deification of romantic and ultimately feminine love. I think men's biggest weakness has always been that they see (certain) women as some key holding goddesses, that hold the key to their happiness, success in life, high self esteem and confidence, bigger dick, pride, etc. In reality, th…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 04:12 PM
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Women only respect men they believe are higher in status and power than them, so no, it makes them and you plenty wet. Love is a stupid thing for a man to chase. A woman's love is that in name only, it's actually just the desire to extract: time, resources, attention, sperm. Love without respect is a woman running or attempting to run roughshod over a man with various demands that correspond only to her whims, i.e. sometimes she just wants attention, sometimes she just wants the $, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 08:57 AM
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While controlling a woman's lifestyle is extremely powerful and effective method of gaining sexual access (TKO against all other methods including looks), to argue that men pre 1960 didn't care about being loved is ridiculous. However There is a point here. Love is cool and all, but male preoccupation with both being loved and loving is pretty feminine. Which makes sense, given that society has undergone a gynocentric shift. Focusing on results is much better. Results when dealing with women in …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 06:53 AM
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Completely wrong on the first point to the point of it indicating a grave error of comprehension on your part. And yes, pretty much correct on the second. Well, not completely. Handsome face/height. There you go.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 04:11 AM
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Go back and reread my comment, because your "argument" here is not even wrong. I don't even think you even understand the conversation we're having at this point.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 03:51 AM
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Ultimately my dude, you need to grow up about relationships and people. What you described just doesn't really exist and honestly you really don't want it anyway. Your friend did accurately describe how women think. They want a man who kisses their ass, er, who needs them. Of course over time she will grow less attracted to that man for doing just that but hey, wants aren't always rational.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 03:23 AM
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Honestly the shame comes from a gynocentric society. Dude think about how you'd live your life without any pressure internal or external to get pussy. It would look a lot different than the consumer fueled rat race you're being BEGGED to buy into. Which is why there's such a well oiled ideological apparatus invested in keeping you on the plantation.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 03:20 AM
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Lol What a silly take. Disenfranchisement of a huge sector of society and gradual marginalization of that group is EVERYONE'S problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 02:58 AM
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Buddy I've been in more than you have even thought of. Which is why I understand much more than you do. An emotional connection is code for her seeing how much you can invest in her without much return investment. First you're assuming most normal relationships are healthy, which is ridiculous. And second...yes many normal relationships contain the dynamic I described and someone claiming otherwise must be ignorant of basic Google searches revealing a ton of advice regarding women henpecking and…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 02:15 AM
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While it's true that most couples are normal looking and whatnot, what you're missing is the courtship process the average man has to go through to secure the average woman. And the relationship maintenance process. Look, these buzz words/phrases/terms (emotional connection, take time to get to know you, etc.) are all code for one thing "how much will you kiss my ass for sex?" That's it. That's all. A lot of relationships involve a lot of ass kissing by men to women who, by and large, are no bet…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 11:52 PM
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No there usually isn't more to it. A guy who is average save his height or save his face is in for some real chop. Women are very simple creatures. It's time to stop assuming otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 11:50 PM
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You're one of those bullshitters who derails, huh. I would suggest not trying to insult someone's intelligence and if you can't have a rational discussion, respectfully bow out rather than attempt to smear someone. The problem is that I have far more experience with women than probably everyone on this board, which is why I expected this typical tactic from a woman who enjoys punching above her weight but knows deep down where she really stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 11:46 PM
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Again, complete non-sequitur. Conditions that most women enforce have nothing to do with whether a man's interest is genuine or not. The fact is it comes down to your subtle mannerism and how you carry yourself. Nearly 0% responsible for anything. Eye contact is good, but not when you never break it and don't blink. Smiling is nice, but not when you never stop. It's subtle things that make a person off-putting and weird (and yes, CREEPY even). It's things that are hard to describe, but pretty ob…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 11:35 PM
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LMFAO so you really can't read " Higher needs become increasingly psychological and long-term rather than physiological and short-term, as in the lower survival-related needs. Physiological needs are biological requirements for human survival, e.g., air, food, drink, shelter, clothing, warmth, sex, and sleep. Our most basic need is for physical survival, and this will be the first thing that motivates our behavior. Once that level is fulfilled, the next level up is what motivates us, and so on."…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 11:00 PM
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Looks like you need to learn how to read. It's as if you conveniently ignored the actual words or something. https://www.simplypsychology.org/maslow.html . Physiological needs are biological requirements for human survival, e.g., air, food, drink, shelter, clothing, warmth, sex, and sleep. There's another source. Like lol at the intellectual dishonesty But it makes sense: privilege will do whatever it can to defend the status quo preserving privilege. No matter how obviously stupid and nonsensic…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 10:29 PM
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Social status is conferred via successful competition, stop being daft. And again, you asserting something as clearly the case does not make it so. Please cite any concept of evolutionary theory that "clearly" indicates this.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 10:24 PM
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Well you trying to frame your handwaving as something other than handwaving is obvious so I'm not going to bother treating it as legitimate. Feel free to explain how the behaviors in adolescents fail to find reflection in adults though.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 09:56 PM
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Maslow disagrees https://homework.study.com/explanation/is-sex-a-basic-need-according-to-maslow.html Do your homework next time! But hey continue talking about topics you're ignorant of to analyze a lived experience you're also ignorant of. Sounds dope
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 09:46 PM
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https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2019-10259-007 There's one of them. Like at least educate yourself about these topics....
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 09:45 PM
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It's not an assumption that's literally what you said.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 09:36 PM
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https://theconversation.com/women-act-like-men-when-they-switch-seats-at-speed-dating-20730 https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://faculty.wcas.northwestern.edu/eli-finkel/documents/49_FinkelEastwickInPress_PSci.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjGt5_X8ryCAxVMJUQIHRABBboQFnoECC8QAQ&usg=AOvVaw0tJ0fBALKXXboz8u2PHacL Let the handwaving begin...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 09:34 PM
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Aka a basic Google search. It's not my job to give you AK introductory course on the subject you are talking about. You just don't seem to care if you know what you're talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 09:26 PM
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It's almost as if women exist in a dynamic that favors them not having to put in effort which is why they don't behave like men. Research has shown that when circumstances shift women DO behave in exactly the same way though. Yes we must live a just world without any systemic problems and the status quo is always correct. Which is essentially your angle here. Which is patent nonsense. Sell it somewhere else.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 09:25 PM
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Ah so 0% they like you eh? If that's true the problem doesn't seem to be them
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 09:23 PM
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Yes even if most of them are. You apparently don't understand that if only 1% of opportunities are good then the person with 100 opportunities has a far greater chance of success than the one with 5. Go back and learn basic probability and induction.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 09:22 PM
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Then you're probably ignorant of basic probability and induction. Which isn't my problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 09:09 PM
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I didn't. The fact that misogynists and benevolent sexists gets laid the most suggests that the people those pussies are attached to defer to the pussy 😎
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 09:08 PM
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I know it's almost as if there's this Y chromosome and a sex drive and a need for human connection and imposed social conditions on obtaining those things that you're ignoring or something
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 09:07 PM
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Yeah you're dancing around the issue inartfully. We all understand that there's a general dearth of good investment opportunities but having a ton of money to spend and several possible ventures to fund probably is more helpful than being poor with few ventures....to anyone with common sense
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 09:05 PM
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Musogynists and benevolent sexists get laid more than "woke" guys. That's research. Lol indeed
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 09:04 PM
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Then you're EXACTLY like the women who get lambasted on here for "not being attracted to their so called equals." Have fun jumping through hoops or being alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 09:03 PM
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Please cite research supporting the claim that you just pulled out of your ass. A pill that 100% erases a man's sex drive RELIABLY. Of course the drive for romantic connection and intimacy isn't a sex drive but hey let's pretend the nonsense you said covered that Also, pro tip: when your solution or attempt at demarcation involves someone having to suppress fundamental human drives....your solution is likely ridiculous
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 09:00 PM
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More relationship opportunities alone means more opportunities for good relationships. DUCY?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 08:59 PM
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I think I misread your comment. I thought you were saying that men generally only talk to the hotties, which isn't true. But it seems like you were educating the prior poster on how nonsensical their comment was.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 08:41 PM
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The first part is true regarding men being more disposable than women. The rest is nonsense regarding the role of male competition and access to women. The correlation between social status and reproductive success in humans is much lower than it is in our primate ancestors, suggesting less competition. From an evolutionary perspective, there is no opinion on how many men are "supposed to reproduce," so that statement is nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 08:35 PM
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more nonsense. more options for sex naturally results in more options for relationships. the probability of one resulting in the other is not 0, far from it, despite responses like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 08:33 PM
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this take, like most, makes no sense whatsoever, given the many "person affirming" rituals men must undertake in order to initiate and maintain a relationship with a woman. more nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/23 08:30 PM
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