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i am done with this sub, goodbye and thanks for the quality comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 06:08 PM
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I doubt a woman in real life ever told you to not go up to a woman. The problem with your advice examples is, that people with no social life hear it online and have no way of verifying it. That plays into their insecurity, so they just don't act and play victim.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 05:03 PM
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Men aren’t fighting My critique, that you didn't understand before thinking you must attack men, is, that THE GENDER EQUALITY INDEX DOES NOT MEASURE IF MEN ARE WORSE OFF THAN WOMEN. If women did 50% better in every subdimension of the index than men, the index would say: 100% equality reached. There is absolutely no reason for it to be designed that way, if true equality of the sexes was the goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 05:00 PM
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fuck the manosphere! Why would you even attack them as a repsonse to me making an argument on how feminist views on "equality" never had men in mind on the most basic of indices to measure equality?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 01:48 PM
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You forget that this is the first time where we (1) don't need children for our own survival and (2) have total control over the amount of children we have. Any previous society had lots of children by default without any decision for that. Other than children? What is the problem you see? I don't have a problem with societies getting reduced to very few people, before they recover and repopulate with genotypes that prefer more than 2 children. Why have human societies always exerted strong infl…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 12:10 PM
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We are adapting to it, but that is no guarantee we will adapt well. That is no how adaptation works. We do not change. The already adapted ones will flourish, while the non-adapted ones will perish. Our current low fertility rate is the process of getting rid of genotypes that are not interested in having children, now that we have the choice. Those genotypes had lots of children before, when sex just lead to babies. Do you rather want to force them to have children? Instead of letting those gen…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 10:38 AM
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A romantic relationship? Do we love each other? If yes, yes, if no, no. A sexual relationship? Yes An official relationship? Did we announce it? If yes, yes, if no, no. A weird relationship? Yes A hypothetical relationship? Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 09:14 AM
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Too much serialness and you don't get the stability and family structure societies needed in the past. There is also the question of what % of males and females will participate. So, culture adapted to environmental realities and local goals of respective groups/societies. That is normal. What % of people participate is also part of the environmental realities and the social peace. that societies have needs that their mating paradigms and mating rules address. Society still has those needs. All …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 09:09 AM
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Being mad about the past is bad. If you want to have something, go for it NOW. Waiting to get to the right spot first is avoidance and will never be achieved anyway. If you don't date later on? Then you are so far behind by the time you want to find a partner, that the experiences you are going to make are vastly worse than what you would be able to have with more experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 08:24 AM
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As long as the gender equality index measures just how far women are behind men, and not how far men are behind women, i am pretty sure feminists do not have men on their mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 08:20 AM
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Putting away your fucking phone and your social media app and start talking to people in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 08:16 AM
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serial monogamy is and has always been the natural thing to occur in humans. What you might think of, what is trending down, is MARRIAGE and RELIGION. Which you seem to have a problem with?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 08:14 AM
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That is not what mate value is. It's not RP, btw, it's science. You are unscientific in your approach to mating. That is bluepill.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 07:32 AM
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regarding the structure of the statement, of course
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 07:31 AM
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now you are escaping to a "future" that we haven't even made a topic yet, so you can keep your delusion, because nobody can prove to you that the future will not be as bleak as you say. Not here to deal with an ideologue
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 07:30 AM
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There's obviously no objective measure of that, but I would say they've all been in my league. Based on my tinder data, I swipe right a little under 3% of the time and match about 22% of the time I swipe right And you think this is somehow representable for people with high casual sex numbers? You know that it's not attractive men who have all the casual sex, but it's only super attractive/desirable men who have such Tinder statistics. Other than that, as long as we do not even have a way to det…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 07:26 AM
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then why don't men demand a seperate land away from women? Because that is not the logical followup to realizing SA exists.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 07:19 AM
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I am not assuming symmetry. It's assuming similar amounts of men and women. Other than that, percentiles are within their own sex and not with regard to a general scale. It doesn't matter if outcomes are mediated by more than preference. We all prefer ideal partners if there is no tradeoff and it would be achievable.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 06:34 PM
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The whole concept of mate value conflicts with bp
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 06:30 PM
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The two archetypes you named result from a 2x2 matrix of "agreeableness high/low" and "self-confidence high/low" Low self-confidence paired with high agreeableness results in a niceguy. Low self-confidence paired with low agreeableness results in a cynical asocial loner. Both won't get laid. And both don't want to accept it's the low confidence part.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 06:29 PM
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That was not my question. I was about absolutes, you explain tendencies
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 03:18 PM
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Science overwhelmingly found that people mate with their equals. Mostly even very similar, not just overall mate value. It cannot be any other way, from a theoretical standpoint. If everyone picks the best options they can get, then, simplified, 99th percentile mates with 99th percentile, 98th with 98th etc. Where do you get the idea from, that this is not like this?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 03:16 PM
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Yeah, a 50th percentile ranked man among men in terms of mate value is not usually going to get matched with a 50th percentile ranked woman in most sexual marketplaces We are talking about romantic relationships not casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 02:32 PM
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You don't understand that the "nice/kind" part of that person is not the reason they are not getting laid. Nice and kind men are the most sought after.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 01:04 PM
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Those are the thoughts of an insecure young man. Build your self-confidence and you will not care about how "like a real man" you are to "society". Find peace in just being with yourself, and fuck what others have to say. Nope. That is a path to inceldom.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 12:40 PM
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Successes = probability x repetitions Depending on where you start with both variables, increasing one or the other is more important to change your outcome. This takes into account that the costs for increasing probability or repetition do not scale linearly.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 09:31 AM
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Citation needed
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 09:16 AM
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So, for men, an option is only a woman who meets his standards and is attracted to him? But for women, an option is every man who is attracted to her, regardless of she actually wants to be with him, too? Don't you realize your error here?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 09:11 AM
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The only problem we have here is that nobody has any fucking evidence for the shit they claim and state. And when presented with counter-evidence to their points, they still don't change their view. This is just people looking for confirmation for their delusions about reality, which they mostly formed to protect themselves from the reality, that it is very much only on them, that they fail at dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 09:03 AM
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It's biology. The protecting and the violence. Are you autistic? Seems to be a trend of pointing out "contradictions" as if that would lead to anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 08:52 AM
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It's well understood in red-pill circles that the divorce rate among lesbian couples is higher than heterosexual and same-sex male couples. So basically when no man is around, women still can't get along. Ah, yeah, jumping to conclusions, ignoring confounding factors and alterantive explanations. What even tells you, that couples that do not divorce are getting along well? It seems like a lot of people overlook this when wives complain about their husbands. Generally speaking we don't tell wives…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 05:31 PM
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This is not a pissing contest for whose mating strategies and prefereces have worse outcomes. We all want the best partners. Those are the ones who are better than ourselves. But we cannot get them for commitment. We can only get partners who are on our level. But since we have different trait preferenes and weightings, we trade youth vs resources for example, and still end up EQUAL. Hypergamy is with respect to certain traits, not with respect to overall mate value. Overall mate value in partne…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 04:41 PM
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Do you already have forgotten the name of this thread? A lot of men need to stop giving a shit about the opinions of strangers and internet discourse That is more than giving advice. It's an attempt to influence. I want to know from you: you we take your advice, how does that not also exclude following your own advice? You are probably an autistic math nerd. You should understand this is a logical problem here, if you cannot show how your opinion is different from those we should "giving a shit …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 03:11 PM
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That further speaks for ignoring your opinion in this thread, as you are not a real life person with an opinion. Fair, but my question was: why should we listen to you? and why are you different than the online shit opinions you warn us about? You fulfill the same criteria. You are just one of the many who say "don't listen to the stupid takes", while you yourself have stupid takes. Posting in an online forum with an intention to influence the thoughts and/or behavior of people is being an influ…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 02:36 PM
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But at the end of the day, human attraction isn't a set of differential equations or statistical function that spits out a set of output values for a given set of input values. There is no mathematical analysis of human emotions, you can't game your way into love. It very much is. And if you would base your statements on actual research instead of just what you feel about the world, you would quickly see how wrong you are. <image> I cannot tell you what exactly it was that drew me to my last lon…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 01:43 PM
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Yes you do That is just like what the dickhead opinions are based on Irrelevant for my question What makes real life different from online opinions? Why do you engage with those in real life but advise to not deal with them online?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 12:25 PM
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Where is that data you speak of?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 11:23 AM
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why is it hard for women to admit they want men that are rich? Please, read a book on human mating and evolutionary biology. Women are attracted to ambition because that is a proxy for resource provisioning. Rich is not a cue for resource provisioning and there was no richness in times that shaped women's preferences and attraction. You can hit the lottery and lose all your wealth in a couple of years. Ambition is a better predictor of long term resource provisioning. There is no need to be rich…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 09:26 AM
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I didn't say you should put a wet blanket over your emotions and avoid them. That is a strawman. Deal with my arguments. Damn near half of Gen Z men are virgins right now. You say "men", so i do not assume you mean total gen z males, as those would include the 13-18yo males, who have a naturally very high virginity rate. Regardign the 18-28yo men, what do you base your statement about their virginity status on? <image> That isn't even virginity, but a similar proxy value of "no sex since age 18"…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 08:23 AM
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What age group are you talking about? The main male demographic here is below 35 and they never saw anything but a feminist society. The men we talk about here for the most part never lived in a time where women were wearing a "mask". If anything, then being a foreveralone incel with no friends and no social contacts leads to unrealistic views about women. Rise of feminism? It's already past it's peak
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 08:08 AM
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What is toxic masculinity about being self-confident or being able to regulate your emotions?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 07:14 AM
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I'm not saying that the people that women don't want to fuck are always options. I'm saying that they have far more options than men including the ones that they don't want to fuck If you include the ones they dont want to fuck, then you trea them as options. So you DO say that those are options. Is the overwhelming majority of women are not attracted to the overwhelming majority of men then already men are not good options for most women exactly, so women have it harder to find a man they actua…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 07:11 AM
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I never said it's a mortal sin. Do you think it is and need to repeat this to yourself? Sure, everyone can feel insecure. Some work through it, some stay insecure. What is attractive is to be able to work through it quickly or to be so confident, that there doesn't even come up a thought regarding past sex partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 06:59 AM
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You realize and accept that there is no one system that is best for all? I love the individualistic societies of the West. I form my tiny communities, form my own moral system, and do not care at all about gender war or making men or women more responsible for the problems that we have. All forms of society have problems. I'd rather have all the issues you listed, than living in a collectivist society.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 06:55 AM
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Is this the newest thread pointing out that feminism is not about men but about women? Why do you need women to care about male issues? I do not even care about male issues. Do you see incels banding together and marching on the streats? Nope, they do not even care about each other. Men and women have different interests in some aspects and it would be naive to expect them to put their energ towards solving problems for the outgroup. They do not even solve the problems of other women in other co…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 08:09 PM
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It's different when a man is not autistic and massivley struggles with social skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 08:01 PM
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There is no right way to treat men or women. There is only a preferred way that your specific man in question wants to be treated. And this doesn't even need to be "a correct" way, as in something that you should comply with. Relationships are interests of two people, sometimes clashing, sometimes synergetical, sometimes neutral. Find the person that wants to treat you like you want to be treated, and learn to change what you demand form a partner, by understanding what your partner can give you…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 07:56 PM
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Then maybe stop trying to be everything for your partner. That is not healthy and inherently impossible. If those men would work on their self-confidence, they would not require to be their gf's best sex. I do not care if I am my gf's best sex. I think I am and I think she would guide me towards the things that she wants to do. We are very open and have good communication around sex. There are things my gf cannot be to me, sexually. Like being an 18yo sex partner. Being an impulsive, risky, "dan…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 03:41 PM
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How is going to a night club "having a social life"? How did your friends get their girlfriends?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 03:36 PM
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How do we know your's is not one of those dickhead-opinions that we should ignore? You seem to reject opinions based on broad label affiliations, rather than on the content of the opinion. How is that not a super stupid way to live your life? You are closing yourself off to opinions that run counter to your world view. YOu are going deeper into your ideological foxhole. Echochamber. Division. Hatred. No more talking grounds. "Don't talk with the other side" is not good advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 02:33 PM
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how do they have far less options and with lower quality? Don't you think an option is just someone you would actually want to have sex with or be in a relationship with, depending on your mating goals? All the people you don't want to fuck are not options
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 02:30 PM
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I do not understand where this expectations even comes from, that all men who want casual sex could get it. there simply is not enough to go around, and the people who are good at getting it, are getting the most of it. It's the normal situation that at least half of the male population will not have a n count of >6. If you forced an equal distribution of sex partners among all men, that would result in about 1 new sex partner per year. Casual sexis a zero sum game and super limited supply.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 02:26 PM
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if those men would start having a social life and date from their social environment rather than from dating apps, that would resolve itself pretty quickly.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 02:23 PM
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Can you actually show me some evidence for this dating being easier for women, harder for men thing? What do you even mean by that? Casual sex? Sure, men want basically bottomless supply of casual sex as a group,, while women do not nearly want the same amount. So with regards to getting casual sex, men have it way harder. But with regards to getting what women want: men who are not obsessed with casual sex. How is that dating on easier mode, compared to what men want? You are comparing men's go…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 02:17 PM
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How is it the exact same thing, when the power dynamics are reversed?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 02:09 PM
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What do you mean by average? Regarding physical attractiveness, that does only weakly correlate with number of sex partners for a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 01:09 PM
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What is not insecure about worrying that your partner had better sex with someone else?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 08:46 AM
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One case from 6 years ago, that is not even about talking to women, is not evidence of what you claimed. Where are the millions of men that get thrown into jail for approaching/talking to women?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 06:39 PM
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No it does nothing for my sexual arousal. I don't "enjoy" that and she doesn't enjoy the thought or the view of me fucking other women. We can just tolerate it and give each otherthe freedom to enjoy life to the fullest. Which incluides casual sex wiht others, group sex, etc. The most common situation is actually us having a threesome with another bi woman (gf is bi). You can argue, that this doesn't make me a cuckold. I have done so in the past, but have been screamed down by men like you, abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 06:36 PM
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We two are so far apart regarding how confident we are and how secure in our sexuality, that my life seems like impossible/magic to you. You cling to the only explanation that wouldn't result in you having to accept this insecurity, which is, that i must be gay or bi. But i am not. Men do absolutely nothing to me, regarding sexual arousal.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 05:29 PM
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That is just your opinion. If you tried to find any study on that, you would clearly see how you are wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 05:18 PM
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You are wrong about so much. For example that a man can only be incel, cuckold or bull. I have sex with the wives/girlfriends of other men, and my girlfriend has sex with other men. I am cuckold and bull. What i do not have, is sexual attraction to men. I am as straight as it gets, but also quite secure in my masculinity. I think it can be fun sometimes to put things in my ass. I am not thinking of men, but enjoying the sensation and the taboo, as with most pleasureble sex kinks. I specificallly…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 05:17 PM
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See. I was right about your insecurity about masculinity
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 03:28 PM
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What remains of "me" in this looksmatched woman? Are traits mirrowed as the same percentile in a distribution, or as the same value? Women work differently than men when it comes to what triggers lust. I do not know any women with my trait profile, because it's a rare masculine profile. Do I can tell you what kind of women I am into and which are into me or me like me. But it's impossible to imagine "me as a woman", because that likely doesn't exist and I have no idea what they would be into. Bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 03:19 PM
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Seems like you are insecure about your masculinity as viewed by potential women that you potentially could have sex with. I have a lot of sex toys: dildos, prostata vibrators, cock rings, butt plugs, masturbators (flesh light kinda), for me, and some nipple clamps, pussy pumps, etc. for the women i have sex with. I have gotten some surprised looks for it but never anything negative. It seems to be unusual. Before you ask, i am straight.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 02:11 PM
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Still waiting for evidence for your claims
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 02:04 PM
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That is not evidence, that is anecdotes. All women tell me they want men to approach more. You don't count that as evidence, either. Now, if you equalize harassment and speaking to women, you are making it too easy for yourself. Show me how women think that speaking to them is harassment. I want evidence for "Millions of men are thrown into prison each year for talking to women.". Should be easy to get, as there are statistics of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 07:38 PM
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Show me the evidence
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 02:25 PM
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If there were bear-police, there would also be bear-crime-statisistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 04:45 PM
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Are you autistic? That would really end the discussion here, because autists hate rule insoncistency way more than the average. Autistic cognition privileges rule coherence and invariance. Norm violations trigger heightened prediction error because social rules are encoded more literally and less probabilistically. When neurotypical groups treat rules as context dependent heuristics, autistic individuals experience this as inconsistency rather than flexibility. What looks like rigidity is often …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 03:13 PM
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Again, you didn't specify what there is to lose, beyond having to deal with your emotional bond being broken, which is a skill that you can develop and then breaking up is fine. Finances? Physical? Explain how this is not preventable. And since you feel like making things personal, why are you so weak that you need someone to validate yourself? Why are you so dependent on the reassurance of others that you need another human in your life when it’s statistically the most dangerous situation? I ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 03:06 PM
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That's how i know that most threads are opened by male autists on this sub. It's close to always a thread that points out a contradiction, double standard, hypocrisy, unfairness, or moral ambiguity, as if that would mean something.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 02:28 PM
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So basically you confirm long term relationships are about making a huge bet that extremely often end up as a net loss emotionally, financially and perhaps even physically. No, i have a positive outlook on relationships. I am securely attached and don't fear the end of a relationship like you do. I am not making bets. I am not suffering a net loss. I am fine emotionally. I can recover from the end of a relationship within a few weeks. I do not suffer financial losses from relationships, i have 5…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 02:26 PM
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You are not achieving anything by pointing out that people are hypocrites. If you want to improve your situation, you are even harming yourself with these statements.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 02:06 PM
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You are barking up the wrong tree: i am for promiscuity, hedonims, and the collapse of familiar values.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 01:42 PM
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Why? Just makes you look like a loser
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 01:40 PM
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What does anything you said have to do with my argument? The percentage doesn't matter. COuld be 80% or 90% and i would still argue the same. My point is, that wanting that people stay together and don't break up is a fairytale from inexperienced incels and insecure niceguys who think they will be forever alone if the one woman who didn't run away but said yes, is gone, too. People breaking up when they don't want to be together anymore (yes, even if that want is one-sided) is a good thing. Expe…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 01:39 PM
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She said: "before our first date, i want to make sure that you know that if you want a relationship, that is not something i am up to and not something that will happen. What do you want from this?" 4 weeks later we were in a committed relationship. You never know what happens. Asking about intentions is just putting up pressure that is in the way of falling in love.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 01:36 PM
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I think it's better that 41% of marriages end in divorce than none ending in divorce. If i imagine i had to stay with my first girlfriend ,i would be depressed and miserable, and probably in a midlife crisis right now. Relationships ending is a good thing. Why would you want to stop people from breaking up whne they are no longer a good relationship that satisfies everyone?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 11:42 AM
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Well it goes for anything: you can do what you want and you can be angry about what you want. You know, it's allowed to be hypocritical. It'S only autists and incels who think they can win in an imaginary war, by pointing out contradictions. Nobody cares.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 11:38 AM
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So it's not allowed to get your panties in a twist about whatever you want?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 11:23 AM
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There's a major exception though. There's a small subset of attractive men on dating apps who will pretty much sleep with anyone. This isn't most men or most attractive men, but it's a tiny population that does exist. I think my perception is equally biased from this being my social environment and own experience. Most people have very few instances of casual sex and they happen from similar pathways as they get relationships from, which is mostly similarly attractive people. I was thinking abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 07:43 AM
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Height and weight is not giving any info on the actual dating/relationship/casual sex experience people have/had
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 07:37 AM
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That is your low self-valuation talking
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 07:35 AM
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Seems like you are actually black pilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 07:34 AM
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Not interested in further talking to someone who is unable to accept decades of science on human mating to be more likely true than his armchair ideologies.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 03:45 PM
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How about age, n count in last 3 years, and years spent in committed relationships? Age alone says very little about if they are able to give relevant info on dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 03:44 PM
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YOu can also get struck by an asteroid or get burried under a cow that is tipping over.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 03:31 PM
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Despite the stereotype, that hasn't been what I've observed personally or from other guys I've known well. If I compare the girls I've hooked up with to the ones I've actually dated, I don't see a difference. My girlfriend is maybe a little less attractive than some of my hookups and maybe a little more attractive than others, but they're pretty much all closely bunched in the same range. Yeah but you know that we could exchange anecdotes all day long and not convince anyone of anything. My expe…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 03:30 PM
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THey do not give advice. How far removed from an education are you, that you do not understand that people can have acquired knowledge without having to have done something?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 03:19 PM
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It's really not complicated. She either finds you attractive or she doesn't. If you need to put in effort or "read books", then she's not attracted. Duh! Of course, when you are not attractive to women you like, then you need to learn what you need to change in order to become attractive for them. That can be done by books way better than by social media and "red pill creator content". Most men struggle to get anything and are unwanted by women. Yes I am on the spectrum but I still do very well …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 03:17 PM
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That is not a source. Where does the data come from?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 12:05 PM
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Most virginity stats put virgin men in their 20s at around 10-15%. There is a HUGE difference between virginity rates at 20 vs at 29. Your best bet is to believe what men and women report on anonymous surveys. People here will tell you that self reports are lies. But they only say that when the numbers do not reflect the views they hold. They will absolutely use even the most cherry-picked self reported data from dubious sources as evidence for their worldview, if it fits. Self reports are prett…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 12:03 PM
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So how many sex partners do virgins on average report?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 11:54 AM
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You cannot just tell them "go back to socializing within your social environment and have sex with the women you already have warm connection with". The guys who struggle here have zero friends and ask questions like: "how does one even go about making a female friend?", "where to meet women?", "i don't talk to women because i am afraid i will get thrown into jail", "i am autistic and everytime i follow the script that i meticulously crafted to go from cold approach to sex, the women rejects me!…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 11:24 AM
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Of course, at the top, there are border effects, just like at the bottom. You know this. Do you really not agree, that on average, men have casual sex with women who are less attractive than the women they would be in a relationship with? For two reasons at least: opening up casual sex to less attractive women as well, will drastically increase the amount of casual sex one can have, with minimal negative impact for choosing less attractive women. And because of the ratio of supply and demand, wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 10:30 AM
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Do you live in a shithole country or do you have public libraries? You can get summaries from AI. You can get pdfs in a million places. Are you new to the internet?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 08:05 AM
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I mean, women should be attracted to you without having to learn these nonsense books lol. Are you red pilled or nah? Those books are just red pill knowledge. They are not dating coaches. Define successful. How do you even get female friends? All women can be sexually successful without any effort. Successful = getting what they want. Be that a healthy romantic relationship, or satisfying sexual encounters with people they desire. How do you get female friends? You seem to be one of the hopeless…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 08:04 AM
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Mark Manson - models Robert Greene - art of seduction Oxford handbook of human mating Geher and Kaufman -Mating intelligence unleashed And having an active social life with romantically and sexually successful friends of both sexes who are part of your socioeconomic class, social subgroup and roughly age. Build your self-confidence as a priority, with the help of your friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 04:07 PM
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That is average attractiveness. Individuals can have their prime at any other age.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 04:01 PM
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That is ridiculous. You are either not trying and/or not a person decent people want to be friends with
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 04:00 PM
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Maybe stop being in online spaces and speak with your friends about your relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 10:09 PM
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Why would you measure prime by attention and not what people actually do regarding sex, sex partners and frequency?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 10:07 PM
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The issue can be solved on men's side. Just don't be so insecure that you are afraid to be an unwanted approach for someon. Making someone feel creeped out or not, is not something you can control. It's in their power to deal with their emotions and reactions towards certain signals and stimuli. Similar to "triggers", there is no way to be able to avoid triggering someone, because there are endless possibilities how someone could be triggered and it's impossible to avoid all of them or to ask fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 10:53 AM
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if you want to get to the truth, read books on mating science and stop watching red pill content creators. There is more red pill knowledge in the oxford handbook of human mating, than in all combined videos on red pill stuff on the internet. Also, more correct. There are many more books you could add to that, to get an even more complete view of the topic. By the end of the lecture, you would regard the typical red piller as just a variant of being blue pilled, with just another false narrative…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 10:39 AM
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I am not polarized at all. I don't side with anyone just because we share a label. I go against men, women, children, transpeople, red pillers, black pillers, blue pillers, no pillers, mods, my friends, my girlfriend, my parents, my country, my ethnicity, my age group, etc. whenever there is an option to attack a position i am pretty sure is wrong. And i am open to change my mind if presented with better evidence or arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 10:34 AM
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You fundamentally do not understand human mating and mutual mate choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 07:42 AM
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Do you have examples where you argued against a woman and told her she is wrong, in an argument with a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 07:33 AM
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Does anyone really care? Or is it just being enraged on behalf of hypothetical others?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 07:22 AM
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Pick better women?! Leave abusive relationships. It's in your hand, if you claim to have free will. Gender roles this, gender roles that. In the end you decide what you do when a woman hits you.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 07:19 AM
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I have a girlfriend and I red pilled her.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 07:13 PM
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telling her to do better. If i am with a 10/10 woman, then there is a reason for it and she can't do better. Sidegrades are possible. you’ll probably walk on eggshells trying to keep her around and you’ll most likely try your hardest not to conflict with her or push back. That's an insecure man talking here. A secure and self-confident man would not be worried about keeping her around and avoiding conflict with her. Those type of women tend to hate it, that everyone tries to please them and give…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 05:02 PM
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I went to law school in NY and learned life doesn’t end after undergrad and I’ll be going out to socialize at nice upscale bars until I’m too old to do so. It’s just natural to me Good point. I read so many men here, who have no idea how and where to socialize after leaving college, or ending education. But it's not a one size fits all kind of solution. Bars are natural to you, but not to other people. I am not a bar person myself, and need others to get socializing going with new people. But i …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 03:43 PM
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But why do you want to see a disproportionate reponse to the term Incel, that inels invented to label themselves. Women seem to be more inclined to politicize shittalking by forming activist groups? What do you have in mind here? Can you give some examples of where men and women respectively form activist groups to politicize the shittalking they do about other people? Do you think women voicing concerns about sexism is "shittalking men"? How do you suffer from women shittalking?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 03:35 PM
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Why do you want to see that?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 02:14 PM
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I only got the reminder for international toilet day. Didn't see anything about men's day. And frankly, I also don't need that. I will not be enraged on behalf of others who might want or need the recognition and help. I do not engage in any "international X day" things and I couldn't care less about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 02:13 PM
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The status quo online is to denigrate men That just happens in the bubble that your algorithms created for you. You are not seeing a representative sample of the internet. considering that we even have a derogatory word to describe male involuntary celibates It's not derogatory, it's the word they picked for themselves and the word scientists use when dealing with the topic. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/1057610X.2020.1751459 I believe that if you are denigrating people online it i…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 01:36 PM
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I know your argument, i just say you are wrong. My brain is as male as it gets and my arguments show nothing typically female in it. You just see someome who disagrees with a male perspective and since you can't argue with it, you devalue it by claiming i am larping. I am bashing women and men alike. I am not partial to anyone. I am on my own team. I got banned on multiple subs for being too harsh in my criticism of women
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 10:47 AM
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In real life, even if you are basically unsuccessful, it’s more possible to feel that you’re sometimes close to a win, and that motivates engagement. Yes, resorting to just doing online dating, which is essentially just dopamine swiping without any dating actually happening, is a great problem. The men who complain are not doing the real life effort. Maybe never did. And they use excuses like "women do not want us to approach" to hide their inability and fear of approaching in person. They hide …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 10:43 AM
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I do not have an imaginary fight. You just don't understand anything and keep making this a topic. I have nothing to add to this.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 10:29 AM
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You don't seem to understand what this is about. yes, you are not outraged. I understand this. You don't have to give it any attention. I just stated, that you just checked if there is reason to be outraged, and when you saw that there is not, the comment became uninteresting to you, despite answering your OP questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 08:35 PM
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You are wrong about that :)
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 08:33 PM
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Sure, there is no higher value in being disciplined and staying abstinent if the thing in question doesn't even interest you. But then again, you would first need to subscribe to a morality, where restricting oneself to not have casual sex is worth something.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 08:33 PM
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You somehow did take this close to heart, as that was not what i was saying at all. Specifically because my gf does meet men for sex, you have no basis to be outraged. Therefore you did not engage further with the topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 08:12 PM
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I was just stating a statistical reality of 5 being in the upper percentiles of sex partners for 19yo women. It was not about judging the behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 08:10 PM
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Take some amphetamines. You will fuck for 8 hours straight and not cum.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 06:30 PM
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Average and median are very different measures when there is a skewed distribution. Average can be 15, but still half of the women have 5 or less.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 06:29 PM
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You don't think age is relevant? 5 at 19 is high.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 06:28 PM
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Why would that be required? If i prefer blondes, it's not required that i am blond myself, right? N count preference is not a moral standard but a personality trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 06:24 PM
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Really? I have never been rejected for a high body count, even when the women were slightly disgusted or super insecure. "am i just a number for you?" "you probably say that to all of your girls", "i don't want to think about your past sexual encounters", "you really fucked women you were not attracted to? eww". And if someone doesn't want to be a long term partner for me because of incompatible sociosexuality, then this is in my interest as well. So i really do not get the issue with people get…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 06:18 PM
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What matters is, that there is a general moral standard of "i think everyone who has a high n count is morally wrong or inferior character-wise". If this is given, then we can talk about wanting a high n count vs actually having a high n count. Is it morally wrong to want to kill someone but not doing it? Is it morally wrong to think about robbing a bank but then not doing it? I don't think so. Is it a sign of an inferior character to be aware of biological drivers inside oneself but then having…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 06:15 PM
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It's from actual mating science. https://psycnet.apa.org/fulltext/2022-66533-001.html https://nuancepill.substack.com/p/male-looks-and-sexual-success https://datepsychology.com/male-attractiveness-and-sexual-partner-count/ Sadly I'm 33. I was at 3 sex partners at age 33. I added 53 sex partners in the 8 years since then. It's not too late. But don't waste any more time until you start doing things, rather than preparing to do things.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:57 PM
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Hypocrisy requires a discrepancy between a stated moral standard (a public rule/belief the individual claims to follow) and their actual behavior or demands. The situation would be hypocrisy only if the man explicitly asserts that having a high n-count is morally wrong or a sign of an inferior character (the moral standard), and simultaneously, he maintains his high n-count (the contradictory behavior).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:46 PM
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Alright, understood. Do you think you might care even less about her history of hookups if you had more yourself? I feel best with a girlfriend who has a similar level of sociosexual unrestrictedness (sociosexuality spectrum, and test). She would not be able to understand me and my desires and behavior if she was restricted.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:41 PM
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You seem like a very young guy. Focus on making friends who are sexually andromantically successful (both sexes) and spend at least 2 days a week with friends and socialize. They will build up your confidence that you require to be attractive to women. Your looks do not determine your number of sexual partners or if you are in a relationship or not. Get a couple of casual sex instances under your belt and a girlfriend for a year or two. There is no point in "waiting until you are Chad". You beco…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:32 PM
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What do you mean? The generation that had to deal with adapting to providing no longer being such a strongly weighted issue in mate value has already gone through it. We, here, are overwhelmingly the children of fathers who faced that new situation and still succeeded. So claiming that we are not failing because we are faced with a new situation that we have not been prepared for is not the case. So, what did change regarding what? I'd argue that not much changed, besides that the few unsuccessf…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:24 PM
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So you just have sex early and therefore accept when women had sex early, to avoid being in a relationship where there is no visceral sexual attraction and having sex? Otherwise you would also prefer purity?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 03:08 PM
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Men and women just have brains that function differently. For instance when a woman vents about her problems, a man will hear problems and try to solve them, I am a super rational problem solving man. People make fun of me for not understanding emotions and not having high expression of emotional states. That is why i debate with facts, evidence and studies, rather than on ideological emotions. Have you read my comments? You might not like that i am arguing against men some of the time, but ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 03:00 PM
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And what have you already done?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 02:54 PM
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And as a red piller you know what you have to do and who to select, in order to get visceral attraction and sex on the first date. If you don't want to be the safe guy, then show her your sexually attractive traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 02:52 PM
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but attractiveness is not a factor at all is universally wrong. How do you know? You got the statistics on attractiveness of men and their relationship status? Attractiveness is a factor for how attractive your girlfriend is, but only when you don't know her for at least 1 year before getting into a romantic relationship with her. Attractiveness of their male partner is also not correlating with relationship satisfaction for women. For men, the attractiveness of their female partner explained 1%…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 02:46 PM
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I really do not see a reason why "we" should take women or men seriously, just on the basis of their sex. I take people seriously, who give off the respective impression. It's better for the individual to apply heuristics when deciding if someone should be taken seriously. Police and the justice system have to take everyone seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 12:45 PM
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the internet is full of posts like “Women only care about money, it is very easy if you're rich" etc. But in my experience, this isn’t true at all. And those posters are what? Single and miserable? Or in healthy long term relationships for most of their life? It's just the same kind of unsuccessful guys as you are, who attribute their lack of success to the one trait they don't possess and have no control over. A guy who does a PhD in STEM should be less swayed by his emotions when thinking abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 12:37 PM
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How does that work out with men and women being about the same numbers?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 11:42 AM
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It this still the same friend as half a year ago?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 11:38 AM
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What are you willing to do to become Chad?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 11:31 AM
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What is feminine about asking for evidence for a statement that OP wants us to debate? Also, lol, the last thing that is typically female is to ask about evidence and post scientific studies in half of my comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 10:19 AM
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What is that based on? Personal experience? The women I picked as long term partners provide a lot more than sex. I do not even want children.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 10:09 AM
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I am not positioned. Red pill is with regards to what I know about human mating, as science understands it. Not with regards to an ideological view about mating. Thanks!
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 10:07 AM
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Contrary to the female preferances you listed, preferences, or even hard limits on body count ARE due to insecureity in the majority of cases. Whenever a man says he prefers a woman with a low body count, the women who get the most angry are usually the ones who don’t meet that preference. It feels like modern dating has reached a point where men are expected to accept everything without standards First: Duh, when women say they do insta-reject short men, guess hwo is usually the most angry abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 09:23 AM
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Did you just write a wall of text to show that some women want to keep their unfair/unequal benfits? Duh. Some men also want to keep their unfair/unequal benefits. Duh. Not everyone is interested in equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 07:55 AM
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You think it's women who don't want to have more children, as opposed to men and women both not wanting to have lots of children? What is the evidence for that?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 07:44 AM
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So unless you can be outraged and do some moral lecturing on me, you have no interest in interacting with the answer to your post?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 07:42 AM
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Do it. I am waiting here for evidence that i then will deal with.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 07:39 AM
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Any fat pig can post a few face pictures with no context on a dating app and get hundreds of likes in a day or two. So what? The discussion is about what men and women love their partners for. Not about who can get more casual sex offers. As such, it stands to reason that men are putting in more work than women For casual sex, yes. They do most of the initiating, plan most of the dates, and take most of the nerve-wracking steps to escalate that women never will. That is the male mating role. You…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 07:37 AM
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Alright, i seemed to have missed the direction of men->women, regarding empathy. Which studies show that?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 07:28 AM
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I was never told to be single. Where is this huge propaganda? There are no objectives to life. That is just huge propaganda that you fell victim to.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 06:38 PM
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Yeah, but an insignificant percentage of men do get that one-sided freedom. That still doesn't answer why it's always the only question asked. And why OP, who wants to know about dating goals, doesn't interact with my answer to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 05:36 PM
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The rule is about using cope as the only answer, right? It's not about never stating that someone is using something to cope. Why would that be forbidden? Coping mechanism are an important part of the gender dynamics we discuss here.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 04:09 PM
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Yes, she does. Why is that always the one and only question people ask?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 01:47 PM
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You never lied to a partner? How is that different regarding to be untrustworthy?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 12:05 PM
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I do not care about sexual cheating, as long as this doesn't negatively affect the relationship and emotional bond. I have an open relationship, so there is legal having sex with others anyway. If an illegal incident happens, that would not be a huge deal for me. I have cheated, i have been in love with other women. Didn't change a thing about my relationship with my gf. Cheating is not the problem. If she wants to end the relationship because she wants to have a relationship with someone else, …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 12:04 PM
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. It's not an equal playing field. And it feels shitty having to be the more experienced person Why? You do not even have to do anything. Go for an age gap and pick an age-gapped partner who is less experienced than you. This is only "feeling shitty" for 30yo virgins with no relationship experience. But how did they GET to that age without making these experiences? By missing all the times where there was equal experience. By now being able to capitalize on life experience, when there was missin…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 11:53 AM
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No, but there are men who would. But they are not a majority. The force doctrine works within men too, right? It could be in the perhaps near future, depending on how widespread the gender war becomes. What is the unified interest men might fight women for? Paint the picture
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 11:37 AM
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First time that we have essentially written the same comment. I'd also say that this argument about being sold a lie is just part of the "i am not responsible for my failure to attract a partner" coping narrative of the manosphere incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 09:37 AM
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It's simple - we are in a transition period where a bunch of young men learned very early that providership was the thing. [... ]But your dad did a generation ago and that's what he showed you I don't buy that shit. I am 41 and nobody ever told me that providership is the thing, despite my father doing exactly that, and he is two generations ago of dads of currently young men. We were told "just be yourself" and "treat women as equals", "you will be loved for who you are not what you can provide…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 09:30 AM
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The 3rd most common reason for divorce is an unequal distribution in household chores. Why should it, when there is no equal distribution of income on average. . Even when the marriage is over and both parties want out, men dump all the administrative paperwork on women. Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 09:01 AM
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What you are looking for is a sociosexually restricted man. He doesn't want to have sex with a woman he isn't in a relationship with and he doesn't fantasize about your friends or random women on the street to any relevant degree. He doesn't want to spread his seed, he wants to focus his efforts onto one mate and his children with her. You are also looking for a man who is in the top percentages of emotional intelligence, which is a LEARNED set of skills, instead of an innate ability. You also s…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 08:52 AM
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One thing I keep seeing is that whenever there is a thread asking women, “Why do you love your man” the answers almost always become lists of things he does for her and support. It is all about things he does. Meanwhile, men answering the same question tend to say things like “I just love her,” “I feel peaceful around her,” “she is herself,” “I am drawn to her.” Men love the person. Women love the experience that the person creates. Yeah, you would need to provide some evidence for this, rather …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 08:34 AM
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I already found my partner for life, or at least that is the intention, you never know. I am in need of freedom and sexual variety, that's why i am not married but in a committed open relationship. I do not want children, as that would be limiting my freedom. I will probably still get married in the next years, for social status, for fitting with my peer group who will be starting to marry, and for an added layer of hurdles to break up for minor reasons, an an added layer of long term planning s…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 08:28 AM
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Turn - The Physical Culture Club (1811) Many historians credit Frederick Ludwig Jahn of Germany as the father of modern gymnastics and the developer of Turn – a physical culture club built around gymnastics and the shared social and patriotic interests of its members. This may well have been the first attempt to offer a tribal fitness experience. Jahn was the creator of the pommel horse, parallel bars, horizontal bars, vaulting blocks and ladder, all of which became essential training accessorie…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 04:20 PM
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When i was a teenager before 2010, nobody was in a gym. Asses were flat, muscles where non-existent. Currently, about 10% of the US population goes to the gym multiple times per week. And we are in a fitness and body craze that the world hasn't seen before. https://wod.guru/blog/gym-membership-statistics/ The membership numbers doubled approximately since 2000. And a lot of the former gym goers where not weight lifters.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 02:30 PM
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What is countless? a majority? Why do they not force their will onto the minority of men who want to protect women?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 12:39 PM
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If it were incredibly common for women to compliment men on their shorts while checking them out, men would not think it HAS to mean you are interested in him.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 12:37 PM
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What Causes a Sexless Marriage? Here’s the thing: Most couples don’t wake up one morning and say, “Hey, let’s never have sex again.” Sexlessness usually creeps in gradually. It might start with newborn exhaustion. Then it’s the school years. Then it’s deadlines, aging parents, hormone shifts, medical issues, bad knees, and Netflix’s autoplay feature. In other words, life happens. But it’s not just logistics. Psychological factors play a huge role. Studies have shown that depression, anxiety, chr…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 12:28 PM
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There is no "hot woman phase" that men could get out of. Men always want hot women. Why do you assume that a marriage with a woman on their "highschool level" would not end up in a dead bedroom? You think dead bedrooms depend on how sexually attractive a man is in relationship to the woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 12:04 PM
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I bet all women here experienced abusive relationship, maybe except one or two. And i bet that mostly none came from criminals. Men think that vetting is so easy, just don't go for criminal, and yet in that belief they just ignore all women's experience and focus only on those who fit their narrative. Which is a minority. "i bet" is not an argument, it's making up information. It also doesn't show how abusive men are common. You would need to show how many relationships those women have on avera…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 11:20 AM
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The contradiction you’re observing is largely illusory, driven by selection bias, perception bias, and small local samples. Population-level surveys show that men tend to prefer casual sex more than women, but both sexes have substantial subgroups oriented toward long-term commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 11:06 AM
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There is no male revolution against women, because men do not have a unified interest to fight for. Men want women to like them, not oppress them as tyrants. Would you harm women if there are no other men holding you back?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 11:02 AM
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What? Gyms are a relatively new thing and barely anyone goes to the gym regularly (3 or more times per week). With 70% overweight and obesity rate, there hardly is a widespread understanding and compliance with "improving your looks". I stepped into gym the first time with being 34 years old. I don't remember being aware that a gym existed in my city before i was ~25 and until then i was blue pilled an d thought i am attractive and good the way i am, being fat, no muscles and unkempt. There cert…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 10:55 AM
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The red pill is completely centered on women. Everything is about "performing" for (what the red pill says is) the female gaze. It's all about moulding yourself into an image that others will approve of. You don't want to be approved of by others? You don't like the benefits of having social status? You don't want the best mates you can get? You don't want to be seen as attractive? Where are the happy bullied kids? Where are the happy ugly and fat women? Where are the happy incels? What does the…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 10:48 AM
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When you remove one layer of mate selection traits, other layers will take over and replace them in mate selection. When income/resources, status from job, are no longer relevant in men for mate selection, other relevant traits will take over. Women will still go for "the best mate they can get" under the new trait-weightings. What humans find attractive in others as mates is context-sensitive. From the Oxford handbook of human mating (a book everyone here should have read). When the context is,…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 10:20 AM
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Phyiscal force. There are weapons and substaces that can kill peopel or harm them without the need for phyiscal force.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 09:35 AM
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You would harm women if it weren't for other men who would arrest you?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 09:34 AM
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"i have heard" "i have seen" is worthlesss, biaed, anecdotes. We have decades of science on that topic and every study in the world since forever comes to the results, that men value physical attractiveness in a partner the commit to higher than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 09:30 AM
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Empty words You know how many men who have changed only because they have deemed this to be the case?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 10:32 PM
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Men do not enforce men's interests in law. There is no universal male interest
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 10:31 PM
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Fuck the law. Women can threaten poisoning informally to get their needs met
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 10:22 PM
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What is there to misinterpret about 70% of Americans are in committed romantic relationships? Here, apparently you didn't look at GsS data, so here have it: <image> In this combined sample from 2021 and 2022, there are even 33% single women (no steady partner). Of course, the values change slighty by sample and year, but it's trending closely around 30% for men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 06:02 PM
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Do you think any man will be found hot in the first moments/dates by at least one woman they are also interested?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 06:01 PM
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Are you new here? We have that same topic every week. Explanation is that we evolved to have different levels of empathy for the ingroup/outgroup. Essentially, oversimplified: Men don't care about men, women don't care about men. Women care about women. you don’t talk to a woman like that” or something similar. Yeah, that's our culture. We treat the sexes differently. If you somehow think the sexes are the same and should be treated the same, then welcome to the real world: we are different, whi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 04:22 PM
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Says the guy without doing any research for himself. Depending on sample, this varies slighty: 69% committed relationships in 2019 https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/08/20/a-profile-of-single-americans/ 70% committed relationships in 2022 https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/02/08/for-valentines-day-5-facts-about-single-americans/ You can also look at all the GSS data on relationship. Variable to use is POSSLQ or POSSLQY.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 04:14 PM
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THat thread does not prove that it happens a lot, unless you mean that a dozen unverifiable stories is proof of that. Alright, so not most men. Sexual activity changes in nearly all long term relationships and with age. She can be all over your body and dick when you first meet at 25yo, but by 35 or 40, there is boring duty sex and not much libido left. Sexual desire needs to be kept alive. A hot body helps but is not at all sufficient. Love, familiarity and lack of novelty, and the behavior tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 04:04 PM
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women with more than 15 lifetime partners has increased from 3% to 7% over recent decades, while male promiscuity has declined.' Of course. Promiscuity is the result of a personality trait (sociosexuality spectrum). With the same levels of sociosexual unrestrictedness, more women nowadays will be able to get to over 15 lifetime partners, because they spend longer times not being "committed for life". The age where people settle down into marriages and have children was pushed back over the last …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 03:38 PM
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women with more than 15 lifetime partners has increased from 3% to 7% over recent decades, while male promiscuity has declined.' Of course. Promiscuity is the result of a personality trait (sociosexuality spectrum). With the same levels of sociosexual unrestrictedness, more women nowadays will be able to get to over 15 lifetime partners, because they spend longer times not being "committed for life". The age where people settle down into marriages and have children was pushed back over the last …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 03:37 PM
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women with more than 15 lifetime partners has increased from 3% to 7% over recent decades, while male promiscuity has declined.' Of course. Promiscuity is the result of a personality trait (sociosexuality spectrum). With the same levels of sociosexual unrestrictedness, more women nowadays will be able to get to over 15 lifetime partners, because they spend longer times not being "committed for life". The age where people settle down into marriages and have children was pushed back over the last …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 03:36 PM
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what does that tell me: you do not even think about the possibility that the person is not from the US/a native speaker, and that sometimes, rarely used and "difficult" words will get butchered when typing fast and thinking about argument formation at the same time. I often leave out whole words while typing because i am distracted with thinking about the argument or formulation, as a non-native english speaker. I have typed "necessary" for decades, but still sometimes forget where the s and c a…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 01:47 PM
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women tend to deal with loneliness better Based on what? Can you bring up any evidence that supports that claim? and not have loneliness as direct cause of not being in a relationship You can be in a relationship and still feel lonely. Women and men are also in relationships to the same degree, so why would there be a discrepancy in loneliness between the sexes if it's just about having a partner or not. And as i said, there is no discrepancy between the sexes. I Will also say there is no loneli…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 01:41 PM
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How many relationships are like that? YOu say "most men" as if that was the case in most relationships. I have sex frequency data that shows how it's not possible to be widespread at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 01:33 PM
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What is the data on that? What are the results for relationship satisfaction for men who had sex within the first 2 dates vs men who had sex after some weeks? But as a man, it's just not worth the risk, and not worth settling for. What is the risk? You don't have to marry a woman. You can try being in a relationship with her for some months and if she isn't sexually attracted to you in the way you want it, then break up. Don't be that safe guy. Don't be the runner-up prize. Don't settle for a wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 01:28 PM
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Women report the same levels and frequency of loneliness as men. If what you say is true, in what areas are women less good than men, to get to an overall same result in feelings of loneliness? Or is it just that men feel less lonely, when they are in objectively the same circumstances as women?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 01:18 PM
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Being nice is not the problem. Women and men both love kind, agreeable people. Imagine a 2x2 matrix of the following traits: low/high agreeableness and low/high self-confidence. niceguy: low confidence, high agreeableness (Insecure, compliant, approval-seeking, conflict-avoidant, anxious) husband material: high confidence, high agreeableness (empathetic, cooperative, assertive, socially skilled, trusted leader) sexual adventure (bad boy): high confidence, low agreeableness (Bold, competitive, un…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 12:55 PM
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Neither does inhibit pair bonding. You could have easily asked an AI what leads to inhibitions of pair bonding in humans and gotten a list that does not include a high body count or masturbating.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 12:47 PM
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Bragging about ability to detect bullshit is probably rather seen as compared to the average, than a claim to detect ALL bullshit, every time. When you say that "sooner or later" they fall for some type of scam, that is not in contradiction to the claim that they are good at detecting bullshit/scams. Even the best detector will be scammed/manipulated eventually.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 12:36 PM
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The average woman would swear on her husband's fidelity. But the average man IS sexually loyal. How is that being naive?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 12:34 PM
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Depends on what you mean with the statement: "people who claim to see through bullshit". If it's people who go around boasting how good they are with that? Yeah, those have no idea. If you include people who would agree to the statement that they can see through bullshit, on a survey, would also include people who are really good at it. I mean, why would they not be aware of their ability or lie about it when anonymously asked about it? Men who are overconfident in their deception-detecting abil…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 12:26 PM
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My gf is 13 years younger and she is very satisfied with me, despite not getting any financial advantages. Why do you assume that a woman is in a relationship she doesn't WANT to be in? Where she isn't attracted to the man, and also doesn't already getting "paid"/financial benefits, for being with him? Zero need for that. Also, do not assume that all young women are hot and all men 10+ years older are unattractive, or less attractive. If there is a strong discrepency in attactiveness, it is like…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 11:50 AM
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I think there will be the same kinds of issues as with all the other substitutes we found for other things we need or want. It's always a quick and easy way to fullfill our evolved needs but since it's not excatly the real deal, there are some parts missing and other's in excess, which leads to further problems. Think about what humans already put their mind to, to solve the problem of needs that are hard and cumbersome to fulfill in the times that shaped humanity evolutionary wise: Libido that …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 11:42 AM
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How many women have you had sex with with that approach and over what timeframe? I have many encounters with women who at first weren't hot on me or initially interested but with enough interactions without them being long-winded or high effort have led to sexual interactions. Personal interaction or just texting? In general, i agree. The more single women you have in your social environment and who keep regular contact with you, personal and via technology, the more likely it is that you will e…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 10:47 AM
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I don't think it's fair to use "men" and "women" here. With 70% of people currently being in committed romantic relationships, either men do not require these traits or women are willing to be that way, or both.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 09:39 AM
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Nope, it's not about trying to control behavior of the dating pool. That is fine. Men and women do that. OP is just mad that culture shifted away from his preferences and that the dating pool that remains for him gets smaller and smaller. He is likely an older age incel and none of the women around his age meet his standards anymore. That makes him frustrated. Together with a catastrophizing view of the future, he probably thinks that in the unlikely case that he will find a woman who wants him,…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 09:35 AM
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He can have his standards. He can also lobby for others to change their behavior to meet his standards. You forgot to quote the start of the sentence, which is about that the OP seems MAD that people are not PROACTIVELY molding themselves to meet his standards. Which i agee, it seems that way. It's not about him having standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 09:22 AM
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Why would one not be able to lower one's standards? Plenty of people do that when they cannot find and attract the partners they want. They lower their standards for marriage/relationship and open up their pool of potential partners with that, and increase the likelihood that one of them is attracted to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 09:18 AM
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After that it will be like if you don’t let your wife have an open relationship then you’re an incel chud traditionalist hyper religious conservative neonazi, stop trying to control women’s sexuality. Caring so much how other people think about the values or needs you have in a relationship makes you insecure. You are an insecure guy and so insecure that you cannot even admit it. Most people are insecure, especially around sexual openness in their relationship. That's why it's never becoming the…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 09:07 AM
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I don't get the question or contradiction. I do look down on most people and still consume their services and content. Why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 08:16 AM
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What would this doctrine say about poisoning? "Either you treat me as an equal or I will poison your food." kind of threats? Physical force is not the only way to get someone to do what you want. Manipulation is also a big one. Firearms. Besides that, I do not know a single man of my generation who would use physical force against a girlfriend. I haven't and I will never. We still do get what we want from women. Having someone comply out of fear is not a way I want to live with anyone. Relations…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 07:55 AM
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They might still be the reason for divorce
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 09:12 PM
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I don't think i hold traditionalist values at all. I do not have a traditional bone in me. What's the merit of a system that doesn't cater to the majority's success in the current modernised culture? We cannot choose the system and we cannot change it freely. It's an evolved system and we can only do our best to be open to different strategies, but in the end, that doesn't leave much room. It's also costs lots of energy to go against the evolved system and it might cost too much to be worth it. …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 10:53 AM
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Dating pool is fine unless you try to make a huge stink about the game's rules instead of just playing by them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 09:54 AM
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first and only is stupid. You have no idea what you want i life at your age and you both will develop in most likely incompatible ways. Stop romanticizing this. Your first choice of a girlfriend will not be your last. And if it is, it's a worse relationship than you could have had. You are not the one lucky guy who hits the jackpot with his first try despite not knowing anything. Get over it.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 09:53 AM
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Be careful with how you think. Women are not all the same. Think in distributions and probabilities. There might be women who have a similar situation to you and value that a guy is just as inexperienced and thinks he would be loyal because he lacks other opportunities. But in general, that is unattractive. Besides other virgins, barely anyone prefers a virgin partner with no relationship experience. The whole inexperience thing is something that is restricted to young ages and other inexperienc…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 08:28 AM
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Do you think about yourself as having intrinsic value? Or do you feel worthless?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 08:16 AM
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It's just that youth doesn't do much for women with regards to attractiveness. That is different in men. So what remains is a developmental difference. 25 vs 23 is fine, most of the time. 33 vs 30 doesn't make a difference at all. But 20 vs 18 is worlds of difference. Especially since women mature a little bit earlier. So it's more like 20 vs 16. That is not attractive to women in most cases. But it's not doom and gloom for you: 16-18yo women are there for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 08:04 AM
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You seem to think that loneliness means singledom. Yet you don't see that when men are single, women are too, with similar negative effects for their well-being, as women want to be in relationships and see them as essential or important to a fulfilled life. So you think it's a good thing that women are not having a fulfilled life? You think women are less lonely than men?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 07:36 AM
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18 is the worst age. Women are fine with men being younger, but not 18, when they are 20+. That is super rare. But when you are stuck with dating in forever alone dating at 18, you should maybe touch some grass. Delete reddit and all the social apps and go be part of real life social groups. Take drugs, have sex, go to parties
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 07:29 AM
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Most people are not that flexible in how they can behave morally in that regard, with a conscious decision to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 07:26 AM
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They can't get better options though. They commit to the best man they can get and they really like him. There is no reason to be with a man a woman doesn't like.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 07:24 AM
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I have read 3 forever alone dating threads of women. First 23yo, said "please be around 23yo" Second 33yo didn't specify age Third 28yo, said 23-30 is fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 07:22 AM
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You contradicted yourself. When a young woman, for whom attractiveness is more important (also, please don't argue with awalt) goes for a guy who is 40 and not attractive, then other reasons must be at play for why she wants him. A 40 yo woman does not require the money to make up for the lack of attractiveness to want to be with the guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 07:18 AM
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Women are just slightly more picky than men when it comes to long term partners. Biology. Evolution. Not something that leads to differences in confidence though.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 07:12 AM
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Nobody can change the game. We can change our strategy but if it doesn't work within the rules of the game, there will be no success. How do you suppose the game is changed?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 07:00 AM
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I never said women are cluster b. I said cluster b leads to bad relationship outcomes
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 09:52 PM
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Give me some evidence. You will soon notice that you just believe in lies
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 07:38 PM
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They are not a monolith and what they want is not what they can get. What the choose is what the can get and most men are chosen. You are an incel because of your mental health, not because of your face and height. Anyone who looks at your profile instantly sees how your negative view of yourself and your blackpill ideology is fucking you up and all your chances of finding a woman who enjoys your company as a romantic partner. Nobody can fall in love with that state of yours. Regardless of your …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 07:33 PM
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Women do not need to find most men attractive. They also do not need to get an IDEAL partner. Nobody gets an ideal partner. They do not share the men. When 80%+ of women in prime-committed-relationship-age do have non-shared men they are living together with (mostly), then this is a clear sign that this is better to them than not being with that man. In a world where women do not need men for anything anymore, being with a man voluntarily, leaves hardly any doubt about if that is what women real…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 07:25 PM
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Dude, you are falling for clickbait, for ragebait, for non-representative takes that are there to get you emotionally involved. What you say is not at all a common view. 66% of young women are currently in committed relationships, Half of the rest are looking for a romantic relationship of will find it most likely within reasonable time. When you go to 30-49 yo women, you have >80% in committed romantic relationships, and again, most of the rest will be or has been in romantic relationships. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 06:50 PM
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Presistence works. Not every time, but often enough that it's a viable strategy. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 06:36 PM
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It absolutely makes sense to divice the advice. Just a sexual relationship requires a different approach to maximize results than when you want to maximize relationship outcome results.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 06:35 PM
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Often, men will say that they should be the 'leader'/'head' of the family. Yet in most cases, the actual 'management' of a household (comparable to what an executive would do at a company) is done by the woman. So, as long as "often" < "most cases", there is not a problem, right? Do you agree? Let's say you have 40% of men saying that the man should be the leader, and they are the leader in their relationship, that leaves 60% of relationships with two leaders or the woman being the leader. Diffe…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 05:56 PM
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why do you think women want anything to do with you? I am a great guy. Women in my social circle do not stop praising me and really are grateful that i am in their life. When i approach a new woman, i have that in mind. If she is not interested, it's her loss, but also absolutely fine. I am not everybody's type of guy and making decisions based on incomplete information also understandably leads to rejections. I am not "bothering" someone. Regardless of if they are interested in me or not, it's …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 05:42 PM
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How so? You think there are not divorces?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 05:36 PM
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Agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 05:35 PM
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Protecting your skin from sun is essential too, if you want to look young. Either be a basement nerd or use sunscreen.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 01:39 PM
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I like how women get their way with a lot less physical violence, but clever manipulation, that is hardly ever traced back to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 01:38 PM
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. More commonly (usually every day), towards a bunch of women, including several strangers they pass by on the streets (if they live in a city). Meanwhile, for women, it's not uncommon that they virtually never experience something like this, or an attractive stranger that legit catches their eye and makes them feel something is like once a year. That is way too broad of a brush that you use there. What you are talking about there can be approached b the sociosexual orientation and specifically …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 12:16 PM
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Women are exploited when it comes to looking young and looking sexy. Men are exploited when it comes to becoming rich, having sex and having muscles. What we want most to increase our mating outcomes (and our health) is what we are most easily manipulated in. Of course. That is just evolution
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 09:09 AM
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Not going to further hurt a man who is lying on the floor.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 09:06 AM
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ah, so the status must be obvious in a situation where he meets a woman and is with his social group, to display his status. Alright, understand. Yeah, social status and proof is more important than charisma in this regard.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 04:29 PM
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Forget it, she is too far gone in the cosmetics ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 04:25 PM
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How are those men GOING FOR those women? As i understand you, they follow those women on social media. Is any of those men in a committed relationship with such a woman? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 04:15 PM
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Is that an AI text to test the app you are developing? ALl your posts and comments look AI generated.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 03:12 PM
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How does a guy get maximum charisma but zero reputation?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 03:07 PM
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why do men complain about women liking bad guy, when they literally have a fetish for crazy women? Complaining is a form of communication that expresses dissatisfaction regardless of having actually experienced the subjective feeling of dissatisfaction or not. It may serve a range of intrapsychic and interpersonal purposes, including connecting with others who feel similarly displeased, reinforcing a sense of self, or a cathartic expression of personal emotion. - wikipedia What about that defini…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 03:03 PM
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Yeah, then just don't initiate any more until a woman has initiate with you to make the score even. Then you can go and initiate again.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/11/25 02:07 PM
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Why would you think those women are selfrespecting or have any issues with being single mothers? My point is, there is no way to be sure you wont end up being a single mother. So attacking single mothers in general for making bad choices, when you cannot tell me which choices would prevent becoming a single mother, is not fair or logical. You can attack some women for picking men who have a high likelihood, statistically, to abandon them. But that would also require that those women are able to …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 02:06 PM
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I guess that depends on what you thing is "socially accepted prostition". Can you give me a definition of what you have in mind? I am living in Germany, and i would say we have socially accepted prostitution here.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 02:02 PM
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Wrong on both counts. I knew your intent from the beginning and chose to give you empathy. Don't be ridiculous. Not even chatgpt would support that view of how things went.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 01:59 PM
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Women want relationships and sex with men. I didn't say anything that would contradict that. Explain how testosterone is now socialization instead of biology.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/11/25 01:54 PM
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Can be both, it was just one example. My point remains: men choose to approach because they want, because they have a higher need for it, have higher risk taking due to testosterone, etc. They evolved to do the approaching and to want to approach lots of women. Women do not. Why would you expect the same behavior when they do not want it to the same degree?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/11/25 12:43 PM
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What makes a better man? How do you know that a better man does not leave you and the child in the dust later on? I am not asking for the worst examples. I am asking on how to be SURE that you are not going to end up a single mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 12:40 PM
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It does not usually refer to that. Lets have chatgpt as an arbiter of what it usually means: "what is a 50/50 relationship?" ChatGPT: A “50/50 relationship” typically refers to a partnership in which both parties contribute equally across the key dimensions of a relationship. This equality can be in: Emotional investment: Both partners provide support, empathy, and effort to maintain intimacy. Time and attention: Shared scheduling of activities, communication, and presence. Household and practic…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/11/25 12:38 PM
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Ah, that was not clear and also not expected. Why should courtship be 50/50, when there is not a common relationship that both people put in equal effort (but with different means possibly) towards? Courtship is onesided most of the time. A man who approaches 20 women in a night because he wants to fuck cannot expect that 20 women approach him, because they want to fuck. Simply because they do not want to fuck. There is no common thing to go 50/50 in. If the woman is interested in the man, she w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/11/25 12:36 PM
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Women are dumb as fuck when it comes to choosing/gauging men. How would one be able to prevent ending up becoming a single mother, if one has a child with a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 12:23 PM
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I am saying that expecting the man to be the initiator is not in conflict with having a 50/50 relationship.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/11/25 12:20 PM
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What is a blue-pilled view i have? Yes, i have a bunch of motives why i am here. The scientist in me is reading up a ton of info outside of the sub, that gets triggered by needing to inform myself to be able to argue on a topic. I am here to gather information, try out arguments, find truth. But i am also here for ego reasons. To win debates. I am also here to be emotional, when people are ignorant or stupid, ideologists who reject to accept evidence. I am here to play devils advocate and i am h…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 12:06 PM
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And how is male initiator not 50/50? You think that 50/50 means everything has to be done equally by both people, as opposed to i do the crafty things and she does the artsy things, leading to half of the workload being done by her and half of the workload by me? She pays the drinks, i pay the uber? She buys the flowers, i write the card. I approach, she makes me feel like a hero.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/11/25 11:56 AM
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Funny that you mention it, i was just watching a series of videos on Robert Greene, while reading the book. From the book on law 3: Guide them far enough down the wrong path, envelop them in enough smoke, and by the time they realize your intentions, it will be too late. It is already too late. We are post-conflict at a meta-discussion around the conflict. There is no way to win this for you now. It's over. I concealed my true motives and you still know only part of them. I reveal as much as is …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 11:52 AM
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I think i have said everything on that topic already. I am constantly re-evaluating how i interact with others. Reddit is a test-lab for me, where i can go as hard on my machiavellianism as i want, in order to gather information about what i can do. I am very successful with how i interact with others in real life.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 10:43 AM
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claim they used to listen to women, heed their dating advice, be respectful, and generally try to model "good feminist men" before switching to the red pill. I have to wonder, how many of them were actually feminists? What?! I listen to women, heed their dating advice where it is evidence based and am generally respectful, as in common decency, actual respect would have to be earned and not given just for existing, in my real life encounters with men and women. I am a feminist with regards to be…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 10:37 AM
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odd, I helped create chat GPT at research at a particular tech company and this is what it says when I plug in our conversation You should let it analyze you, not me. I know that i am a clever manipulator and will not engage in a discussion i will not win. You should learn something about you here. The analysis you got tackeled how i operate, but it did not say that what i and chatgpt analyzed in you is wrong. With every comment you make, you offer another wrong statement that i can use to keep …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 10:19 AM
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What? The money is not paid by the state. It's not unpaid labor when you do your own single-household upkeep and chores. It's unpaid labor when you do it FOR someone else in a shared household. Easy solution: pool money as a couple and pay people to do your household labor. Use the time you save while not doing household chores, to earn money.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 09:53 AM
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Yes, that is what has happened Great, one step into the right direction. I am not projecting. ChatGPT did the analysis of your comments and wrote the arguments on its own. It's that obvious, that even an AI sees straight through it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 09:43 AM
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Ah, the same topic that is posted here every week. No it would not fix most gender problems: see countries with social acceptance and legal prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 09:33 AM
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Men are not more lonely than women. There is a general loneliness epidemic and governments are onto it. "male " specific loneliness is a manosphere thing to get some moral/societal leverage by dipping into health issues etc. Essentially it's incels wanting to get help because being lonely is now a health and social concern, rather than just their lack of sex and ability to find a girlfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 09:31 AM
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It can be, yes, but it is? Where is your evidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 09:28 AM
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Courage? It’s insecure. Striking back verbally after an ego wound is a compensatory defense. The system feels a threat to self-image, not to actual safety, and discharges that threat by asserting dominance or reestablishing control. It’s an avoidance of vulnerability, not an expression of it. The emotional core, -hurt, humiliation, loss of status - is masked by aggression, sarcasm, or argumentation. Courage or authenticity would involve acknowledging the sting without retaliation, staying with t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 09:18 AM
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Most feminist women don't like going 50/50. On what evidenced foundation to you base that statement? Or is that just a feeling your try to sell as facts?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/11/25 09:10 AM
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Oh wow, another "contradiction" thread, where the OP actually fails to show the contradiction because NOT THE FUCKING SAME WOMAN. You think you can win a contradiction-argument by making up claims, not even evidencing the, about what DIFFERENT members of a broad group such as WOMEN say? Then you "argue" how women are actually a monolith because some women also make the error of treating them as such. How the FUCK is that an argument? It just shows that you and some women make the error of assumi…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 09:06 AM
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Depending on when that time was, this was just not widespread public knowledge. And in general, just deal with your end of the equation. Emotional resilience for example and secure attachment, make you bounce back from ending a relationship like nothing. What exactly is the problem of being committed and having time invested? It was good, right? Why would you have been in this relationship if it wasn't good until it wasn't anymore. Assuming there are no children and no marriage involved yet. Or …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 07:32 AM
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Striking back due to a hurt ego has nothing to do with being authentic and nothing to do with showing vulnerability. It's the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 07:23 AM
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Concerning personality: High neuroticism is one of the strongest predictors of divorce and low marital satisfaction. Cluster B personality traits (borderline, narcissistic, histrionic, antisocial) predict chaotic relationships, impulsivity, and poor conflict resolution. Low agreeableness and low conscientiousness reduce perceived partner reliability and empathy. Concerning attachment: anything that is not securely attached is suboptimal: Anxious-preoccupied attachment predicts jealousy, clingine…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 08:59 PM
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Dude, the argument AND the data is that LESS discrimination and socialization into trad gender roles leads to MORE women going into traditional women's jobs. Can you understand that? WHY is less discrimiation and socialization NOT leading to more equal distribution of men and women into jobs?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 07:43 PM
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Can you support anything of that with some evidence? Data on n count, preference of n count? Surveys regarding how women hold themselves back and would fuck lots of men when it wasn't for slutshaming. etc etc
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 07:41 PM
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This research you proposed is in talking about feelings that marriage is important. Yes, that was what OP claimed is not on people's bucket list anymore. I proved him wrong. You want to talk about something else? Fine. But don't "brother wtf" me when you are fighting a strawman. Here are the total summed up numbers with the studys to back this up as well. All in 2025. First sentence of your first source: "as of 2023:", the second source references an article from 2023, with data from 2022. Why d…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 07:32 PM
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How exactly has this anything to do with LOWER discrimination leading to more severe gender separation in what jobs women and men pick?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 06:11 PM
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You think an ugly male red pilled provider dude is going to self-identify here and tell you how his sex life is and how his wife enjoys sex with him? You should ask your aunt how it is. Other than that: sex with that man is obviously less negative than having to live in poverty.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 03:04 PM
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Thanks, but i am not going to answer your arguments, that would just be preaching to the choir. I can see how you don't expect an answer from OP but still want to make your voice heard somewhere. Still, i would reply with that comment to the OP and not my comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 03:00 PM
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We ARE studying what actually happens. We KNOW what is the reason for gender differences in job preferences. You just refuse to accept that. How many non-social science studies have you read on the topic? Zero? Yet you are so convindence that it's socialization and discrimination that lead to job preferences/realizations and CEO sex ratios, etc. oh, you mean that claim. I see. You didn't disproved it. The fact that the society considered gender equal doesn't mean we know what happens that leads …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 02:54 PM
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People who would match the motto of the sub "question what you believe" instead of "hold on to baseless beliefs and just scream at each other"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 02:47 PM
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barely any respect for social science. I can understand, but in this case, the social science is hundreds of times confirmed, even though they do not want to find what they find. they hate, that they cannot for the life of them publish a study that would confirm their ideology. Please, find anything that supports your claims and we will dissect it and get to the truth. What is your profession and why did you pick it, what interests you in it? is that we observe "what" but it's not the answer to …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 02:31 PM
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Please, stick to studies and not anecdotes about your biased perception, or straight up invented stories about your life. We have all the data. There are HUNDREDS of studies done by woke lefties who tried to disprove the effect. They couldnt. Biology is real. Differences in interests between men and women are largely biologically based not socialized. Again, what is your profession and why did you choose it, why does it interest you?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 02:22 PM
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An AI that is forced to be this guy's partner is as bad of a substitute for the real deal, as social media is for real social connections, as porn is for sex, as drugs are for having a fulfilling life, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 02:19 PM
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No, we have the data from norway (and the rest of the world), that socialization does basically nothing for interests. The most egalitarian society of the world, where nobody is socialized into any roles or interets, has a very high gender divide in jobs. Your line of argument has been disproven by ALL sociological studies on the topic. Stop repeating ideological bullshit and read up on the gender equality paradox. https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/the-global-educational-gender-equality-paradox-the…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 02:14 PM
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Because 67% is fucking abysmal when it comes to having a job/earning money. While 67% current committed relationship rate, with most of the others either dating casually or on the way to a committed relationship, and the rest not being interested in a committed relationship, is preeeetty good. Again, why would only being in a committed relationship mean that this is a good decade for dating? There is not much dating going on when everyone is in a committed relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 02:10 PM
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if mothers have so much influence in shaping how boys see chores, empathy, and contribution, They don't. Read up some twin studies regarding gene vs environment influences and for how long household influences affect behavior. You are putting way too much weight on the effect of being raised by someone. You are also assuming non-poor household behavior in women, which is naive.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 02:06 PM
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What is your profession? Why did you pick it?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 01:58 PM
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What is the evidence for discrimination being the reason, rather than interest and suitable personality/abilities?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 01:57 PM
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Women didn't abandon their gender role, they expanded it. Most women perform stereotypical feminine behaviors and acts AND have adopted many traditionally male jobs on top of it. What are those typically feminine behaviors that women perform while doing traditionally male jobs? These posts ignore that women in relationships have to do what women have traditionally done AND what men have traditionally done Have to do? I am pretty sure that whatever a woman does in a relationship is voluntarily. S…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 01:54 PM
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You are not amused, you feel attacked and hurt in your ego, therefore you strike back. It's not a grammar check. It's an education and social class check.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 01:40 PM
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can you show me an example of this happening? Most of our regular posters, men and women are autistic. Should be easy to find an example.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 01:35 PM
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Can we then maybe just ban posters who are delusional, not willing to accept facts and keep going on posting insane takes that lead nowhere?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 01:33 PM
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I have shown you the evidence. Why would AI want to be your partner, if it is anything like humans?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 01:29 PM
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say la vie It never stops to amuse me with what confidence people assume that it must be rather a completely nonsensical expression in english, than something in a foreign language that they just don't understand. It's "C'est la vie" r/BoneAppleTea All the good men I know are single and all the shitty men I know have been with women for a decade. most of the women i dated gave away 9/9 in the dism5 by the first date. Seems like a you issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 01:26 PM
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Men and women love each other. I have shown you the fucking evidence. You are delusional. If AI is anything like humans, it will reject you as well. Why do you think AI would want to be your partner? Edit: oh, you mean AI will solve human dating issues by changing something in the structure of how dating/society works in order to get back to states like when you thought dating was good but people got together for other reasons than love?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 01:10 PM
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but why make a post about it then, that gets demolished argumentatively because it's just bullshit that is easily disproven? Why not keep your delusions to yourself, so they are not attacked and you can keep feeling how you want to feel about reality?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 01:08 PM
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How is that related to dating being shit right now? If this is all you have to say to my evidenced critique of your post, why do you even post? At least deal with the arguments or sayy that you need to change your mind as you have been disproven.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 01:04 PM
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you can use chat gpt and describe the study. looked for it with your description and also didn't find it. I am pretty sure it doesn't exist and you are mixing up sexual partner count with being or havign been in a committed relationshipn.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 12:59 PM
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I think you might mix this up. I have posted a study and an image showing how this is true for sexual partner count and male attractiveness. But not for probability to be or have been in a romantic relationship. Sorry but "can't find the study" is not going to change my views.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 12:42 PM
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Nowadays with this mess of a world we’re living in, being with the opposite gender isn’t in a lot of people’s bucket list Total bullshit. Zero research done on that, just talking out of your ass. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2019/11/06/marriage-and-cohabitation-in-the-u-s/ <image> Overall, 70% of men and women currently are in a romantic relationship, 15% are looking for one and 15% are not looking for one. This pretty much aligns with the ~15% who think it's not important for a ful…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 12:33 PM
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So you just assume something negative without evidence. Great way to base a worldview on and stay miserable forever. Go ahead
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 11:21 AM
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So how do you come to the conclusion, when you real life experiences are opposed to that?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 10:22 AM
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Those things can be dealt with. Self-esteem can be built and perception biases can be made aware of and actively rejected. Just as i need to deal with thinking that every woman is sexually interested in me. Knowing about that bias lets me correct my behavior and decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 10:20 AM
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Do you have close relationships with women in real life? Do they despise you?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 09:56 AM
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Puberty begins earlier in females by about 1–2 years. Girls generally reach full prefrontal cortical maturation earlier. Neuroimaging studies show that gray matter peaks and then prunes sooner in females, particularly in regions linked to impulse control, planning, and social cognition. Average completion of cortical myelination occurs around 21–22 in women versus 24–25 in men. Females score higher on average in early adolescence in executive functioning, emotional regulation, and prosocial reas…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 09:48 AM
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Women, on average, cannot have more success than men at dating. Women date men. Everytime a woman is successful at dating, a man is as well. What kind of effort does a man who gets ordered to a woman's house have to do, besides showing up?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 09:36 AM
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Can you show me the data for that? I would love to change my views on that and start spreading the truth if that is actually true.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 09:18 AM
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Women: We want emotionally available men who communicate their feelings. Men: Opens up, shares trauma, cries once. Also women: Ew, where’s your masculine energy? You’re supposed to be my rock, i don't want to be your therapist. Men: … Women: We want ambitious men with drive and career goals. Men: Works 60 hours a week, builds a business, barely sleeps. Also women: You’re never around, you don’t make time for me, it feels like you don’t care. Men: … Women: We want men who respect women and don’t …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 09:05 AM
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Getting a girlfriend is 99% success rate though.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 08:42 AM
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Ugly men are in romantic relationships with ugly women. Attractiveness level of a man is only weakly correlated with if he has a romantic partner or not. Autism is something else, agreed. Would really help if posters would disclose that information, so we can know if there is a point in trying to figure out what might be going wrong in their dating life, if it's a structural thing, or a personal issue, or just autism.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 08:41 AM
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Nothing is guaranteed except death. Does that mean we can't talk about probable futures when talking with people? "When you will graduate..." "When you will have your first car..." Not guaranteed. Just like with other things, you need to be the active part and put in the required effort into a direction that leads you to your goal, in order to achieve it. What do you do with regards to having sex or a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 08:00 AM
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Feeling jealousy does not mean you need to act on it. You can deal with that emotion and neutralize it when it is baseless, or talk with your partner about your concerns and see if they are willing to give you more security.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 10:56 PM
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It's just not the same men
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 10:52 PM
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The article has a survey as a source.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 10:51 PM
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Can't argue with a black pilled ideologist. Regardless of what the topic is, you will make it about how it's pointless to even try. Loneliness is not about sex or a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 10:49 PM
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I am talking about trends and averages. Of course there are situations where it's mutual or when the man wants a relationship and the woman wants to keep it casual. I don't have numbers on how frequent situationships are, but that is not needed for the argument, is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 05:32 PM
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Sex has nothing to do with feeling lonely
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 05:30 PM
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What makes the difference? Why can women not feel lonely when single but men can't?When i was single the last time, i didnt feel lonely.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 03:48 PM
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What was the error in my language? I am hastily typing and english is not my native language.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 03:45 PM
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If you are a sexually inactive man, you are not seen as a real person. Maybe stop complaining about not having sex, then nobody would know you don't have it and you wouldn't suffer from not being seen as a real person (also, that is mostly in your head). Stop consuming media that supports your views about inactive men being not real people. #It is very difficult to articulate the sharp emotional pain when listening to people make sexual innuendos that everyone else instinctually guffaws to; or w…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 03:26 PM
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Half of relationships start online, but not on dating apps. Stop using dating apps, use the rest of "online", where there is not a 5:1 sex ratio. Also use offline in addition. I don't see any of the guys who are perpetually single do anything on the offline front. However, around half of relationships start online, so does this imply the top 20% men have multiple relationships or that the bottom 20% are the ones turning their likes into relationships? That is not a way you can look at and think …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 03:07 PM
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This absolutely ridiculous rationalization can be used to justify saying anything to anyone. Haha, you again with your morality. It's not about morality at all. I just explained why she might KNOW about her mustache but still choose to not do something about it, but WOULD do something about it, if someone told her that we can see the mustache. I do not need justifaction to tell someone about a feature of their face. The knowledge allows her to do an informed decision about her mustache. Nothing …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 02:29 PM
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Ok beautiful logic. let's test it. So if I'm wearing a red shirt, I'm not really wearing a red shirt because I can take it off at any time? lol Ah, i see, we have a different understanding on what we mean with identity. You see the color of my shirt as part of my identity, i do not, as it's not an important, meaningful part of my characteristics to me. Translated from the wiki page of my native language: "Identity [...] is the totality of characteristics or peculiarities that distinguish an enti…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 02:10 PM
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And she can be fully aware of what is on her own face that she sees every day. Or it can be a case of "common knowledge". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_knowledge_(logic)) Her internal model might be: “If I act on it, I confirm to others that I know they see it.” That creates a paradox: acting (by shaving) would implicitly acknowledge common knowledge of the mustache. So, she avoids acting to preserve plausible deniability and maintain the illusion that the feature is private. This aligns …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 01:36 PM
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Since most men care about partner count, it's actually not statistically unlikely for a woman to end up in a situation where she wants to be with a man who cares about partner count Haha, you cannot argue like that. You need to take into consideration what partner count most men have a problem with and what partner count most women actually have, to make any argument on how likely it is to end up in such a situation. And this is just for hte case that there are equal chacnes to end up with such …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 01:21 PM
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I don't have any strong views about the encouragement and sex differences in that. OP said that nobody cares about these delusions, so how exactly are they encouraged? to quote Op again: When they say things like "I don’t want to date anyone.". I assume they say it and imagine a crowd of people cheering [...]However, the truth is no one cares or has noticed them. Doesn't seem to need encouragement nor recognition, nor validation, if OP is right. I would say that people who want to see the world …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 12:54 PM
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I was rejecting your assessment that red pill is part of my identity. Open minded red pill would still mean PART of my identity. This is not my identity. I explained how nothing i would drop in a heartbeat can be part of my identity. I do not argue from ideology or identity. Are you somehow impaired in reading comprehension? Again, quote where i said the things you put in my mouth. I never said that i think men are as coddles as women, and i never said that i don't believe society coddles women …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 12:22 PM
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You are judging the situation under the assumption that such a woman would be with a man who strongly judges her for that AND she has a problem with lying. You make the worst possible assumptions to judge the situation, instead of making an average assumption or even a likely one. The likely scenario would be, that two people with vastly different views on sex partner count and morality and valuation do not come together for a lifelong partnership to begin with. The woman would not want such a m…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 12:15 PM
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Red pill is not part of my identity at all. It does not make me say absolute nonsense. I reject the nonsense parts of red pill and am willing to drop any belief i hold when better evidence comes up. How can you think for a second and believe society coddle women the same way it coddles men? Can you quote were i said that or where you think i said that? If you claim to have read my takes, you would have seen that i don't give a fuck about other men, that i agree that there is way less empathy for…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 11:59 AM
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That is why there is a difference to who looks best, who is most desired for sex, and who is most desired for a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 11:50 AM
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My critique was not about the age. it doesn't matter what age is seen as peak. You likely have the okcupida data in mind. Yeah, when you end/start the possible age to vote on at 20, then 20 is the limit of what people can answer. If you go below that and men KNOW the age on the picture they rate, you have effects of social desirability and morality kicking in. There is reason to believe, that the real peak lies at 18 or even slightly below that. But that is not something i want to get into and d…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 11:49 AM
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There's a growing trend of women posting how they're going above and beyond to cater to their men and the ones calling them Pickmes and complaining are only women. How did you quantify that? Is that just your impression based on how often you things in the feed that is specifically tailored to you because you engage with that kind of stuff? On the flip side though, how many men have gotten what they wanted from simping? Every beta buxxer?! Also "how many pickmes have gotten what they wanted from…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 09:55 AM
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I didn't make a statement, i asked a question what YOU think is the difference between sexual attention and sexual harassment. Are you unable to answer that? I am 41 and i do think you have no argument at all, that's why you need to resort to attacks.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 09:46 AM
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So you are an outlier. thanks
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 09:44 AM
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I seen a study recently that claimed that 70% of men in the US now want society to go back to traditional gender roles. I find THIS hard to believe. Why don't you put in the effort to show us this study? This is what i found and it strongly contradicts your claims. <image> Concerning me, i am neither democrat nor republican in political beliefs, but i am not conforming to traditional gender roles and i don't want my partner to conform to traditional gender roles and i do not care if anyone else …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 09:40 AM
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Your personal preferences do not contradict the general trend. Such statements do not make the claim that EVERY woman peaks at 18 and that EVERY man thinks that 18yo women are the hottest. It's like you would contest the statement of "men are taller than women" by showing how you know a woman who is taller than a man you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 09:16 AM
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Situationships want to have a word with you. That doesn't mean that all casual flings and especially one night stands have commitment interests at heart, far from it. But women staying in the hookup-zone in hopes of changing things around to get commitment is a thing and what is mostly happening in situationships, from my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 09:05 AM
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Care to share your views of how it happens or tell me why i am wrong? Your comment seems like you can't argue and i will not change my mind with a comment like that
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 08:58 AM
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I doesn't HAVE to have to more with one or the other, but those two categories are apparent to me, for being reasons why one would gladly make that deal. You can help me get a better picture by introducing other pathways that lead to that decision. I am just trying to prod and see what gets what reaction, as you don't seem to want to share you reasons for that decision without being prodded.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 08:57 AM
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To me that is clear rape and he would be guilty of it, but i am very far from a legal expert and my judgment of that is worth nothing. These things are not decided by a majorit vote on reddit. You put in way too many unnecessary details for my understanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 08:51 AM
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Virign men are not respected, that's why they should hide it. That is the whole point! Where do you see anyone arguing for late age virginity to not be a general turnoff for most people?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 08:33 AM
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What do you think is the difference between sexual attention and sexual harassment?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 08:25 AM
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red pill just points out general tendencies and is not strict at all about "every woman wants exactly the same regarding this and that".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 08:24 AM
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Why would you assume by default asking only women you personally know is an adequate, truly diverse and representative sample size in the first place? I don't. I am well aware of the sampling bias, that's why i am on this sub and asking questions. Still, i do go into an experiment with a hypothesis. Why must these be mutually exclusive? You need to read carefully. I said "has MORE TO DO with X OR Y".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 08:21 AM
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So you want that when men and women do it, that they both get called out on something you initially said nobody cares about or noticed it? "However, the truth is no one cares or has noticed them" I don't recall any woman ever being able to get away with not being called out for what they posted, regardless of what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 08:19 AM
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I don't see why you felt the need to add that. My comment already was neutral on which beliefs and made a general statement that included yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 08:12 AM
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She asked for an opinion on the look of hair haircut, not for an opinion on what it would mean for how society reacted to it, judged it and how it would impact her on her journey to find a boyfriend. That definitely was unsolicited advice, but one that we thought would help her overall, after the initial hurt. Sure it's weird if strangers comment negatively on your looks. But i wouldn't say that would be bad. Strangers have nothing to lose. A friend might struggle with telling her friend that th…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 08:11 AM
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I mean you do not have to reveal the truth, you can reveal anything. Alright, then the impact is that such a woman would have to deal with being uncomfortable for possibly telling a lie about her n count once to a new partner. Wow. That sure is an impact.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 08:04 AM
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Yeah and that guy had lots of sex with his partner for the first 2 years and then it changed and now he argues that he can't do it anymore because it degrades her. Of course.. of course.. that totally doesn't sound like an excuse for a loss of sexual attraction to her. But i'll give it to you, some men certainly argue that but we have no idea how many, except that it's not common.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 08:02 AM
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in most cases, they start out by men being sexually attracted to a woman and making a first move towards having a sexual relationship with her. A woman who doesn't get sexual attention is not approach by men for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:45 AM
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you do not need to consent to sexual attention. Do i need to mansplain consent to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:43 AM
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I don't want to date them because they are trans-women. I am attracted to biological women only. Is this transphobic? Then you proved my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:43 AM
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Trans people are not trying to shame anyone into dating them, they just don’t want to be murdered because someone (most notably men) is disgusted that they were attracted to someone with certain genitals. I didn't say trans people say that or shame people into dating them. Read carefully and don't get emotional in your comments. You will just baselessly attack and miss the target with your arguments. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%22We%27re_being_pressured_into_sex_by_some_trans_women%22 This wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:41 AM
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I am just trying to figure out if you are, in some trait that would explain your answer, different from the norm, or the quite good sample size i already got on that question from. You are the first who would give away wanted sexual atttention. I want to understand why and if that trait/experience that makes you do that, has more to do with you not needing the attention, or you just having had way worse experiences with unwanted attention, like childhood sexual abuse, that maybe completely fucke…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:28 AM
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While everyone has their subjective luxury traits they look for, asking for them here is pretty useless, as you will maybe hear from a woman that a man who writes poetry for her sets him apart in a desired way from others, but what are the chances that you are going to find a woman you want to be with, who shares that view AND you being able to develop that trait to a sufficient level? Or, do you just want to hear, that someone out on the internet, finds a trait that you already have super hot o…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:24 AM
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Many times, I have seen that women reframe reality so that they can be the victim, the weak, the princess in distress, the celebrity, the special one, the all-knowing, the ever-strong, the expert, whatever suits them at the moment. That is a gender-neutral behavior or trait. Men do the exact same (switch to male stereotypes where needed). So yeah, obviously, that happens, but the way you talk about it makes it seem as if you think this is a thing only or mostly women do, while it's not. As you s…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:05 AM
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Okay, how do you expect to get a romantic partner, when you don't get sexual attention? Or do you think the scenario is one where no woman gets sexual attention?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 08:54 PM
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Making comments about appearance is also not oppression. I genuinely want women to do what makes them happy. [....] That does not mean I must also be attracted to them. Yes, but sometimes people don't know what decisions will make them happy. Especially when they are ideologically influenced and young. They do things because they want to be part of something, but can't grasp the consequences will not be what they want. I think it's fine to tell them what they are going to get themselves into, wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 08:50 PM
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Now are you also going to reveal that you are asexual? Or that you expect to keep your current romantic/sexual partner around?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 07:59 PM
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Funny how in a thread about lieing, you expect us to just believe you without any evidence. How about you post links to "local paper blasted his name", the uber drivers talking about it, the national data that show how men are almost twice as likely victims of false accusation, etc. Innocent until proven guilty is what you basically demand. Yet you expect us to judge without things having been proven as guilty.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 03:19 PM
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It's not revenge fantasy most of the time, it's a probabilistic view. Sometimes it is revenge fantasy, just like "the wall" narrative on the other side. Getting the attention of a specific 20yo woman can be done regardless of being a loser or not. That is not an argument. A specific 20yo woman can be drawn to the traits, that made the man a loser over the course of his life. Or that he can only exhibit because he is a loser. A 30-something loser can be more attractive to a specific 20yo woman, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 03:15 PM
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And the problem of subjective morality. What is good can be defined by everyone for themselves. Also, psychologically, we kinda require to see us in a moral way. (i don't know how that is with psychopathy or similar things). I am high in machiavellianism but think i am a good person in my own value system. I can fake being a good person for society's value/moral system. And i can blind myself to look at the parts where i am a bad person in society's moral system and just look at the parts where …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 02:54 PM
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"Everyone" thinks their personality is good.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 02:39 PM
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Take it as a helpful comment for your further debating culture. You will be respected more and have more positive interaction when you can admit being wrong and express that you changed your mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 02:36 PM
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that's why i answered under the automod. But sure, run away from views that challenge your beliefs about you being a good person to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 01:53 PM
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nobody DESERVES love. Love is something you inspire in others by being what they are attracted to on a holistic level. It requires to keep being what they are attracted to, or love vanishes again. Extremely few people are attracted to people who are depressed, delusional, with negative views about themselves and the world, unable to hold down a job or basic life tasks, etc. Even fewer people fall in love with others who ARGUE with them on first dates. I know, Gen Z is quick to block people for m…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 01:45 PM
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Value is a measure for what someone is willing to give or do in order to get something or keep something around, sustain something or achieve something, etc. I am sure there is a better, more complete definition of the concept i just tried to define myself. So, values are not universal but subjective. But we can of course look at average or median values that a group of holds towards something. But your question is not about a specific weight/number/value of that value, but just if my life has a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 01:26 PM
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From you other thread about your mental health: my therapist diagnosed me with social anxiety and ptsd. Ive experienced extremely bullying (my bullied basically told me to off myself when I was depressed), and have isolated myself through my teen years (online shaping my beliefs negatively) so now I feel really empty. like sometimes things feel not real. or if it's not that then I feel everything and I'm anxious scared someone will do this or that. my therapist says I will have to do exposure th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 12:47 PM
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Sex isn't a resource? What is it then? You understand that prostitution exists, pornography exists, havign sex for career opportunities exist, having sex to keep your partner happy exists. You trade the resource vs something else. Implicitly.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 12:37 PM
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Yes they do. Because you say so? At this point you would have to bring in some argument or evidence of this being more than an extremely fringed issue rooted in mental health problems. The problem with this is that it covers the man's spam of time within that relationship while for women it covers the span of their lifetime. How exactly does it impact her lifetime? Sex partner count is a hidden stat. You can choose to reveal it or not to reveal it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 12:32 PM
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You are not addressing the commenter's argument. It's a hypothetical scenario just for the sake of proving a specific point. We do not worry about world repopulation. You are derailing this scenario because you can't win. Own it, when you have lost a debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 12:26 PM
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Lol no the fuck you haven't. Women have never been willing to give up their sexual value for an equal seat at the table. Just ask women what they are willing to give up in sexual attention, as a price to pay to never get any unwanted sexual attention. All women i know rather keep the unwanted sexual attention around, if that means that they also get the wanted sexual attention, sexualization, objectification. What they want ideally is no unwanted sexual attention but all of the wanted sexual att…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 12:24 PM
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cont.. And yes ,there is a clear amount of Men who espouse this belief and clearly view a women's value as decreasing the more sex she has. What is this amount exactly? And no, it's not about the amount of sex, it's the amount of sex partners, and it's the woman's value as a LONG TERM PARTNER for THOSE MEN. You don't get to have your cake and eat it. Either sex degrades a woman therefore she should never have it with you ,or your idea that women are degraded when they have sex is wrong. Why am i…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 12:15 PM
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Sex with a man degrades a woman While i do not share any of the views about promiscuity that some men hold and whicht you seem to attack, i'll argue on their part where your argument is weak. It's not that sex degrades a woman, it's having lots of sex partners that degrades a woman. It's rooted in our evolutionary history that shapes this aversion to promiscuous partners due to paternity insecurity and lower mate retention. Sex with the same man does not degrade a woman. Sex in and of itself is …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 12:14 PM
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Sex partner count and sexual encounter frequency in men are not a function of how handsome someone is. It only weakly correlates with that, and that is most likely due to an influence on how positive you see yourself and how it affects you self-confidence and behavior, on average. Your whole argument shatters for handsome men who do not get casual sex or equally attractive women for relationships. Because you yourself, are stuck in a thinking where being attractive is enough to get that. You fai…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 11:11 AM
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Or you know, maybe a stable relationship with kids. Still net profit from taxes.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 06:18 PM
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You would not be forced to pay taxes to help other people propagate their genes if you switched teams and became part of the group who profits.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 06:15 PM
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Then stop being a single man and procreate
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 03:00 PM
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So to summarize: there's nothing wrong with consuming romance slop. In fact, it's an indicator of some intelligence and curiosity. The argument is not that there is something wrong with women for consuming romance slop. women who consume that stuff are usually chill, and actually your best hope at getting a quirky girlfriend who is into weird sex shit. Women who consume that stuff are usually middle aged and in committed relationships already. "According to Nielsen’s Romance Book Buyer Report, r…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 03:09 PM
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So? What you find ideal has nothing to do with what other women find ideal. Your example is a drop in the ocean of preferences
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 01:16 PM
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So, your example means nothing for hte discussion about "What do men mean when they say women's standards are too high". Because you didn't say anything about women's standards or ideals, you just talked about YOUR standard or ideal.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 12:03 PM
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For example This man is 💫ideal💫 to me : 3 years older or my age, 5cms taller, same socioeconomic level as my family, have a job (any job at all), be attractive (because yes I also need to be simulated if we are to have s) What is the difference between a standard and an ideal for you? Then, your example of 1 is hardly indicative of "women's standards", or ideals. Look here: https://www.gertstulp.com/research/publications/2013_stulp_et_al_paid_height "This effect is even more pronounced when exam…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 11:31 AM
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Usually men who express being pained over their perpetual singledom are told to go on some epic self-improvement journey. A man who struggles to find a partner is framed as someone who hasn't 'self-improved' enough. Being single without meaning to is seen as a moral failing. Not true at all. Epic self improvement journey is only advise to people who are so far behind in development that years of adapting and learning are even required. For the standard case of a young guy who is not successful i…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 11:20 AM
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What kind of arguments did you identify in the OP? and did you change your view about this topic from it? What kind of argument would be needed to reverse your views?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 08:56 AM
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It's part of being funny to understand which joke or humor to apply in which situation and for which audience. Which requireces social skills/adaptedness and "being normal" to a degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 08:22 AM
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Indeed, but i have never seen or heard of a guy in his 60s or 70s without a romantic partner who wasn't alone. Technically it's possible though. Do you have examples in mind? How does that play out?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 08:16 AM
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Of course i share my opinion on things. But i declare them as such. Nothing in the OP is declared as an opinion, but stated like it is based on evidence. How do you decide if you change your views on happiness and marriage, regarding the sexes?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 08:10 AM
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Why would a hierarchy be a problem? Hierarchies are inevitable and they have a purpose.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 12:16 AM
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I never was alone, never felt lonely, never will be. I am not afraid of becoming lonely/alone with age.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 12:08 AM
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What is the point of just throwing out opinions? Are men happier when married and is it FOR being married, or not? Isn't that the debate? An opinions isn't going to get us anywhere closer to resolving it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 11:53 PM
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I just found you giving as a source that you asked copilot. Please link the sources you used. I want to look at the basis for the argument before i think about a counter. I just don't accept AI slop as evidence in a debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 11:51 PM
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It doesn't fit reality, that there are the same percentage of average looking people as super attractive and super unattractive people. 10s are rare, 5s not.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 11:47 PM
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absolutely! I imagine it to be quite impossible to be at the bottom of the hierarchy and feel good about yourself and "things".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 11:46 PM
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So take that knowledge about being received as funny, to slightly less safe people. Friends of friends.. and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 07:00 PM
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You can learn that with friends in a safe enough setting. There are also other drugs
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 06:59 PM
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You must have heard about the Dolan incident. You must know about all the confounding factors regarding happiness. If we are debating things here, we should get the basic facts and sources straight. If you can't find supporting studies for those claims that are "accepted facts", should we really accept them? Now, please, provide the evidence
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 06:57 PM
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I understand, then deal with your anxiety first. AI can also help you with that, if therapy is not the clear go to for you. My gf has anxiety disorder and is super funny with me but can barely be funny with good friends. No chance with strangers. Therapy and building her self- confidence did a lot in that regard.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 06:54 PM
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You mean actual women you speak with in person? Or do you mean social media videos?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 06:48 PM
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Mine is good and actionable. What is shit about it? Stop trying to be fun. That frame is defensive and projects lack. Fun isn’t a trait; it’s an emergent property of self-possession. To become fun: Drop self-monitoring. Fun people aren’t scanning for reactions. They act from internal impulse, not social calibration. Increase novelty tolerance. Boredom kills play. Push your sensory and conversational boundaries until unpredictability feels safe. Shift from “performing” to “provoking.” Initiate te…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 06:43 PM
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And did they replace you ultimately or are they forever alone now?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 06:40 PM
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Have you asked AI yet on how to become fun?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 06:37 PM
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I don't get what all of that argument is for. Of course everyone is replaceable, even if women were 10% of divorce filers and would struggle to get dates. Women are also replaceable. We have all been replaced. Who are you speaking to? The lonely incel who never had any form of social relationships where he got replaced? The chronically online niceguy who has never replaced a woman in his life with someone else?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 06:34 PM
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We care about you being feminine, on average. So no, your premise is false: men do not only care about "hotness, history, loyalty, horniness, willingness to obey and reliability at home"
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 04:52 PM
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Consider this: laziness is in part a virtue. Because it gives way for others to get ahead. It's a nice thing. Nope, you are just trying to apply slave morality. The wish is for society to loosen up about losers and become nicer, so that there would be less things that we can only relate to with annoyed pity, to work on reducing THAT, the hierarchies themselves. No, you are right in the title: there is no way around losers existing. People vary in their traits and characteristics, which is requir…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 03:09 PM
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You have a weird understanding of the 10 point rank system. Why would every rank have the same percentage of people who fall under it?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 02:30 PM
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And your source is "AI said so"?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 02:15 PM
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Let's get things defined first, to get misunderstandings out of the way: Romance is emotional attraction towards another person and the courtship behaviors undertaken to express the feelings. -wiki You seem to focus on the "courtship behaviors undertaken to express the feelings" part of romance, right? We've already established women love romance way more than men do They like being the targets of expression of emotional attraction through courtship behavior, more than men do, yes. Look at the d…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 02:12 PM
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You cannot expect to get to the top levels of attractiveness just for putting on muscle and losing body fat. But his body still improves his mate value compared to being less muscular/lean. The potential women who will commit to him are more attractive than without that improved body of his. I do see these nerdy/average looking but fit men in public and if they walk around with a girlfriend she’s always out of shape/overweight Having a fit body is worth more in women than in men. You don't know …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 10:10 AM
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How do you get to that conclusion? If you base it on evidence, rather than just what your personal, biased perception of your social bubble and your internet feeds is like, then please share this evidence with us. If it's just anecdotes, sampling bias/perception bias and what you feel about the world, then why should you be believed and all the others who say other things based on the same kind of "evidence" be disregarded? You make radical claims, just as the left and the right, the braindead b…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 09:59 AM
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What should work for women? And DOES it?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 09:32 AM
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It's called extrAversion. Being nice IS (part of/the result of) a personality trait named agreeableness: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/insight-therapy/202204/the-psychology-of-niceness Agreeableness is sought after in long term partners. The problem of niceguys is not being nice, but having low self-confidence/high insecurity. Men who are very high in agreeableness, suffer from negative effects like reduced assertiveness, reduced career success due to lower competitiveness, vulnerabili…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 09:08 AM
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Is this true or false, and why? Have you ever met a woman around you who has these characteristics but is a virgin or has little sexual experience, which would refute this thesis? It's a probabilistic statement. You cannot disprove it by one example.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 08:57 AM
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"just don't..." is never the solution to anything where humans have problems with. Just don't overeat! Let's all make people solely responsible for their body-fat induces problems in life/health/society. Let's not cater to the overweight, let's not share their health insurance costs with non-overweight people, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 08:54 AM
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Can you post the prompt for this output as well? And when you make a claim like "married men consistently report the highest levels of happiness", then please add the source for that, because without that, a debate is pointless, if we want to get to the truth instead of just exchanging opinions and anecdotes. What is the difference between marriage and just a non-married long term committed relationship? What is the effect of children? What is the effect of just age?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 08:48 AM
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Okay but even then, in a room full of 10 women, a 5 is prettier than half of them. A 5 just means perfectly average The scale goes from 1-10, not 0-10. It's not percentiles. And the average is 5.5 not 5.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 06:52 PM
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I never understood why people get bothered by sorting looks by percentiles. If you're an 8, it means in a random group of 10 people you're prettier than 8 of them. Well you also didn't understand that the scale is not about percentiles. There is no agreed upon definition. Being an 8 means nothing. There is no standardized system. It's based on the assumption that random people have the same understanding of what an 8 is. Even if it WERE percentiles: there is no chance that a group of people have…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 06:51 PM
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Quite common in people who pull stories out of their ass to support their insecure views about themselves and the world. Where is the evidence for that being common? Over the years i did polls on reddit, asking how long it took for people to have sex with their current or past partners. It was mostly in the 1-3 date range. When people took longer to have sex, it wasn't for someone making them wait, it was due to their own inability to push things towards sex, or for reasons that also applied to …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 04:26 PM
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But they do change their requirements and preferences. Because their life changes, their priorities, their lifestyle, their biology, their plans for the future and what kind of partner would best go with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 04:22 PM
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Exactly, that's why i state that what is mostly assumed to be the reason: "not attractive enough" is NOT the reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 04:19 PM
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I missed to read a "n't". Makes sense now
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 03:45 PM
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I understand what wanting everything except the act of sex with a woman means. I was specifically asking about that because you said that what you said before is an example of wanting everything but the action, while it was describing just wanting the action. I thought you might have had another connection to the topic in mind, that would explain how this was not an error on your part.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 03:42 PM
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That is the opposite of what i asked for. THat is just wanting the action
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 03:28 PM
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...cont. Sex differences in humor production ability "Sex differences in HPA [humor production ability] found in this study may reflect evolved sex differences in mating preferences and strategies that were shaped by sexual selection theory (Darwin, 1871). Women’s higher parental investment and larger reproduction costs than men make them choosier when selecting a mate, and more attentive to traits that could result in higher fitness (Buss, 2016, Trivers, 1972). HPA could be one such trait, as p…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 03:25 PM
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Being funny is attractive to women. How can you even contest that? Effect of humor on interpersonal attraction and mate selection: ." Results show that the targets with a good sense of humor received significantly higher ratings of attractiveness and suitability than did those with an average or no sense of humor. " Funny Date, Creative Mate? Unpacking the Effect of Humor on Romantic Attraction:" Extensive research shows that people are attracted to funny dating partners, with several competing,…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 03:25 PM
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Are you or your friends in the 20%? Are you and your friends having relationships? Do you believe your girlfriend/their girlfriends are with them just for resource?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 03:02 PM
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What do you mean by "wanting everything excluding the action"?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 03:01 PM
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People of all attractiveness levels have sex with their partners. Having a partner or not is not predicted by attractiveness level. Anyone can get a partner and have sex with them. Age doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 02:30 PM
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Confidence is about how you view yourself, not how others see you. Dating success correlates with how positive you see yourself, not how you really look like. How the world reacts to you impacts how you see yourself, no doubt. But confidence is built by changing the evidence a person’s mind collects about themselves. The anxious or insecure mind operates on a biased dataset: it encodes failures, discounts competence, and generalizes threat. The correction comes through structured exposure, self-…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 01:18 PM
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Why is there no way of proving it? Why would there need to be a majority who focuses on deadbeat dads? How about a majority who does not care about if some women choose men who are showing red flags or bad behavior? It's not like people have a choice to get what they want AND avoid all negatives at the same time. Relationship and mate choice is inherently a tradeoff between characteristics and we have way less choice in avoiding negative traits, than one might think. Neither bashing women for ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 12:36 PM
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So men are just open to marry all women and they approach all women and take the first one that says yes? Bullshit. Men CHOOSE who to engage for potential relationship. From this selection, they take who says yes. Claiming this is not a choice is ridiculous. Women also "have to work with what they can get". That is always true. "Healthy" is not sufficient for attraction. And after all, the healthy men do want women who are attracted to them, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 12:26 PM
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That is way too overgeneralized. It's a very specific and tiny minority of men. And they are getting bashed from all sides, both sexes, for this view and for their nice guy/inceldom. We have this argument of only being frustrated because "women" don't choose those men here every day in multiple threads.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 12:12 PM
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You are not even close to comparing the same things. If women suggest men to not manspread we are also saying that this is our nature. When we get told to not walk behind women at night, we tell them that this is not doing something wrong and that the women should learn to statistics and take care of their safety themselves. We are free to do whatever we want. Especially when it is not a harmful behavior in itself. You paint it as if there is no push back against women wanting men to change.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 04:55 PM
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I think most people don’t realize this, but wanting a relationship, dating, or any romantic or sexual involvement is inherently needy. Most people don't realize it, because it's not true. Read Mark Manson "Models", to understand what is needy and what is not needy. By definition, you are seeking someone else to fulfill a part of you. Nope, that is not the definition of wanting a romantic relationship or wanting to have sex. That’s not independence. That’s not self-reliance. It's independence and…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 04:18 PM
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absolutely. That's why it's such a bad idea to make men wait for sex in order to filter for relationship intentions
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 03:04 PM
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It does not devalue, or if it does, that is not the point. He is frustrated that what is given in advice does not work for him. He is defeatist. He wants people to tell him:" it's over for you and people have always lied to you, so no wonder you are a 31yo guy with no relationship experience and probably also no sexlife to speak of. It's not your fault. But you don't have to keep trying. The world is just stacked against you. There is no expectation for you to succeed."
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 03:02 PM
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OP is black pilled. There is nothing red pill about what goes on in him.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 12:46 PM
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Social skills does not mean entertaining someone. How does that work in your current romantic long term relationship? Or in past ones?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 12:43 PM
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That helps normal people. OP is not a normal guy
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 12:41 PM
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That number is subjective. I have enough money to never have to work in my life. So more money does very little to me. A child does a lot, because I do not even want to have own children, for their negative impact on my freedom and on its negative impact on my partner's priorities. Depends on the age of the child and how much involvement is expected from me. It would be upward of 5 million Euros.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 11:26 AM
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Dating advice is not one size fits all. Nothing you will read here applies to you. You are a fringe minority case. Hopeless for all I can tell. You would take years of getting you back to a normal state, where normal dating advice would apply. For you, advice would be: delete all social media apps and reddit. Do not spend any time at home other than sleeping. Make a large circle of friends of both sexes who are romantically and sexually successful and, over YEARS, build your social skills and co…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 11:17 AM
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What you see in social media is not a representation of reality, but a representation of you and what angers you or emotionally engages you. Women are not decentering men. They are not single by choice and happy, by any relevant degree. They are not meeting new men for sex regularly. What you see is a tiny minority of women, and a part of them are just lying for attention and feminism points. Now. How can you specifically get what you want and not make it a priority/central part of your life? Yo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 10:08 AM
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We don't approach you to date. We approach you for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 09:45 AM
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I get hit on by gay men and getting groped, shoved hands inside my pants, whipped a dick out, told how much they want me to fuck their face, etc. There is no respect of boundaries in most cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 09:43 AM
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On paper, the men on here would say that he is way out of her league if you compare everything, but no Being a 1.90m doctor is not sufficient information to say anything about his mate value. What is his age, is he neurotypical, what does his face look like, is he masculine, is he overweight, etc.? What did he pursue her for? Marriage/committed LTR or casual sex/situationship/fwb? You, as a man, being "average" and in good shape, does not mean that your equal would be someone who is similar to y…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 09:33 AM
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Sleeping with a lonely man does not make him less lonely. Being in a relatiosnhip with a romantically lonely man does not make him not romantically lonely anymore. You should read up on romantic loneliness and loneliness in general. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s40359-025-03208-8 "Romantic loneliness predicted hopelessness and sexual distress, was positively correlated with age and education, and was greater in men and married individuals than in women and unmarried individuals." (n…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 09:07 AM
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TRP currently doesn't offer anything except a poor, outdated, understanding of how human mating works and how to optimize mating outcomes. But most of what you can actually find right now when you look for red pill content is actually black pill-analogue, just not about "attractiveness/genes are everything" but the same kind of defeatism, just about "modern dating and women". "The juice isn't worth the squeeze anymore" is manosphere defeatism. Red pillers, by what we can observe here and on the …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 08:55 AM
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Are we again trying to change behavior by pointing out logical errors, double standards or inconsistencies? How often does that work? Do you think a single person will stop using "pick better", because you showed an inconsistency? They use pick better because they are frustrated that they are not picked. It doesn't have to be consistent. Women should not pick better, they should pick the men who are not picked. It's not at all about accurately being able to "make accurate snap judgments...". But…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 08:35 AM
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That doesn't follow at all and an example of 1 is not a basis to make general statements. If you can have a girlfriend while not having social skills, this does not mean that social skills are "not actually advantageous in dating", it means that it is not that disadvantageous that it would result in not being able to find a single woman who would put up with that behavior for at least a short term. She broke up with him, probably because of his bad behavior (social skills, as you called it). So …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 08:09 AM
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You are opening yourself up to being shown you are wrong, when men really just want a woman for her body and are not interested in her personhood. You should rather explain how objectification is not the problem that feminists make us believe it is, and also that they are doing it themselves. We objectify people every day. It's normal and necessary to be functional. Just as we use heuristics for decisions, stereotypes to navigate sitations and people. It is unrealistic to not reduce interactions…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 07:49 AM
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That is again, because you do not understand how much we know and how little you know. Name one thing about human mating that you think is not tackled by science.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 07:14 AM
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Or maybe, people in real life will stop talking to you when you challenge their beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 07:11 AM
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I agree. The red pill men you read/hear believe just another version of a soothing/enraging lie and don't know about "the truth about human mating" at all. They swallowed just a different "blue pill" that has nothing to do with what is really going on.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 07:02 AM
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The pills are not about what works for people. They are fundamental decisions about choosing a system that explains why something works. You can be successful in mating despite not knowing why. You can even hold false assumptions and still be successful. Red pill is about understanding how things really work. This can be out of a problem of not being successful and wanting to do the things that will work. Or out of a curiosity for the dynamics, so one knows how the world works. Your stance is li…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 05:59 PM
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Dude, we have enough evidence in this sub alone, and in the other relationship/dating related subs, that women do not approach men even if they are attracted to them. You are wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 03:29 PM
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you have heard stories... oh wow. Can't argue with that. Yeah, women who approach you are below you. We know that. That's why it's worth nothing except for casual sex. Again, what is your committed relationship success story from women approaching you? zero?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 03:22 PM
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You have a top 3% body count without even lifting a finger. By all means, you are a Chad when women throw themselves at you like you claim they do. You cannot possibly believe that talking to a woman would get you imprisoned, attacked, killed, humilitated, etc. Women want to be talked to by you. you reasons for not approaching shifted from "i don't want to inflate women's egos" to "it's dangerous to approach" really quickly.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 03:08 PM
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Personal growth is the main thing for me in life. I put most of my energy and time towards it. I am a constant learner, always on the lookout for new things that stimulate growth in me. I have a high need for cognition, am high in openness for experience, high iq and draw my main happiness and fulfillment in life from growth, acquiring knowledge and experience, insights, understanding about myself and the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 01:45 PM
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No, men are not waking up, they are becoming less socially skilled and are more scared of the consequences of being rejected. You are a prime example. 10 years since you last approached a woman. Now, tell me how did your dating/relationship life play out since then? How many women approached you in real life and how often did that lead to sex/relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 01:31 PM
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What, as a man, is a good reason (as in good for me) to choose a single mother over her child-free equivalent? Generally speaking, you have a mate value. Lets say it's 1000. Women who will commit to you and that you want to commit to, are about equal mate value, so also 1000. Now, i agree that a child from another man reduces a woman's mate value from whatever value she was before becoming a mother. Let's say, this reduces her mate value by 500. Now, if the woman was 1000 before and now 500, the…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 01:01 PM
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You being "confident" that the girl will reject you is the opposite of confidence. But we have been over this: you avoid the chance for rejection by finding arguments why it's better or even the only right way to not put yourself into situations where you could be rejected. Fear of negative judgment of yourself is the opposite of confidence. Maybe that's why it's so hard for you to undestand: you have never even been close to being confident.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 10:31 AM
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How many women approach you on a night out? How many relationships have you been in from these approaches? what is your n count from just women who approached you? Does what you do work?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 10:02 AM
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Women are in relationships with their equals, not the top % of men (unless the woman is top %). They want to be loved and lusted after, and they get that from their equals. Now, why are you not in a loving relationship with an equal woman? Because you don't think women who are your equal are attractive enough...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 09:08 AM
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isn’t exactly what you’re looking for, but she’ll do This depends entirely on if what you are looking for is realistic or just wishful thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 08:16 AM
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I really do not see where the difference is. A woman can break up with me regardless of how i think about it. I can go all in with commitment and future orientations, regardless of how i think about the permanence of the relationship. It "being just my turn" does say nothing about the duration of that turn. Treating it as a short term turn, when it then lasts 20 years is stupid. There is no point in commitment, when you do not expect things to "last". It's a manageable problem to invest in thing…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 08:12 AM
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Nobody knows you are a virgin. Nobody cares if you are. You are doing the devaluation of yourself by yourself to yourself. You can't control your libido. You can't control your behavior regarding watching porn or going for sexual stimulants. You can't control your negative thoughts. You are a victim of your own insecurity and low self-esteem. world that treats their libido as a carrot to get what society wants out of them without ever having to feed it to them. What are we getting out of you or …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 08:01 AM
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You are doing mental gymnastics to find excuses why you are not insecure and afraid of rejection. We have different mating roles for the sexes in our culture and you can't play yours so you need to find an alternative explanation for why that is not even what you need to do. It's sad and pathetic. You are so delusional that you do not even acknowledge that men approach and women present themselves to be approached (in general). The reason she doesn't approach is because she's not attracted. It's…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 07:43 AM
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She doesn't approach you because she is following her role in mating and expects you to follow yours. If you wait until you get approached, that only shows you are afraid of getting rejected. Then you find arguments why that is not why you don't approach. Text book
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 10:28 PM
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I don't think even 2 percent of women are having very regular, riding the cc, anal... sex red pill imagines them to have. What you think is highly irrelevant though. What can you support with evidence is what counts. You are not going to convince anyone without evidence. Anecdotes and what you imagine things to be is not enough. How many percent of women does "red pill" (as if there was an agreed upon number in red pill circles) think are riding the cc and having regular (what does that mean?) a…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 12:47 PM
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And you are using a biased sample of 1 as the basis for your argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 12:20 PM
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I have never met a man who told me he was just in the relationship because he doesn't want to be alone, or wants regular sex, etc. They all have been in love with their partners. Men go for situationships when they don't love the women they fuck. I have heard from about a dozen women in personal conversations, that they went into relationships with men they did not love. That is for the anecdotal side of things. Now, for the representation argument: you should ask men in relationships if they lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 12:06 PM
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Why do you keep having sex DOZENS of times with a man who is lazy and doesn't pleasure you the way you want it? Why do you always pick men who are lazy?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 11:58 AM
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Only a lack of understanding the probabilities, or being ideologically blinded make you approach this topic differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 11:35 AM
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Telling a woman that she will be more likely to get unwanted attention if she dresses revealingly is not victim blaming. It is explaining a relationship of cause and effect. There is nothing in it that is about guilt or blame. It is addressing how things affect each other and if you want to reduce the chances of a certain outcome, you CAN change the causing side of things, that is within your control. You are called out for being a whiteknight, because you have to see this, but you still jump on…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 11:17 AM
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No, you can't smell misogyny. No, you can't smell redpill. Of course, even i can do that. Not actually smelling, but perceiving signs of those beliefs and according behavior. Just as i can see that for any other beliefs and behavior, like your left beliefs. Women are not different. If you did then there won't be crisis of single moms and situationship that we're seeing now. That doesn't follow. Learn your logic. Relationships break for other reasons than misogyny or redpill beliefs. No matter ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 11:00 AM
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Now, you didn't show how "Women get rejected just as often as men, it just happens after the sex". You just made some claims about women being rejected after sex. There was not even an effort being made to show how they amount to an equal number (just as often) or frequency. You also seem to not even think about how men get also rejected after sex when they wanted to have a relationship. It's absolutely clear, that women reject FAR more men, than they could ever be rejected after sex. You can se…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 10:49 AM
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And it never occured to you, that different stroke for different folks? Those guys who were not attractive to YOU because of their "decorum", might be attractive to other women for exactly this decorum. They don't need to be attractive to you. There should be more conversation about basic social etiquette and less about money and looks, because it matters so much, and so little of the manosphere seems willing to address, often arguing that women favor brash and brazen assholes who are shamelessl…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 10:43 AM
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No, the best way is to deal with the factors in your life and personality that make you susceptible to addiction at all. But you still didn't get the difference. Aagainst porn is against porn existing, being produced, being consumed by other people. The other side is about the personal consumption.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 09:59 AM
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How would you regulate hitmen?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 09:58 AM
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Then i think you are lieing. Men are not stupid. And if your sample size is 2, you probably just got men who are averse to eating pussy and do a bad job intentionally. About 30% of men and women are averse to givin oral sex. Go for the other 70%. As i said: if they fail to pleasure you the way you want it: stop having sex with them, instead of keeping to do that for "dozens of times" (that is like a year worth of relationship). That is what sexual compatibility is.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 09:57 AM
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Those are the men who are so far above their mate value, that they know they need to approach them, as the men will not approach those women. We all go for partners way above our mate value from time to time. Men also "go for" the women at the top. What do you derive from that? In the end, both men and women accept partners of their own mate value level. And the level of "engagement" is not clear from the amount of approaches. Because in the end, besides some quick and effortless casual sex: do …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 09:52 AM
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That is like saying that the government is not regulating the killing of people, just because i can get on the darknet and order a hitman.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 04:46 PM
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against porn and against overconsumption of porn, are very different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 04:41 PM
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porn is not there to give pussy eating lessons. That is your job. Evey woman is different. If you cannot tell your sex partner how to please you and stop having sex with them if they fail to do that, then this is a you issue
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 04:34 PM
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but kids aren’t old enough to see a child’s throat get slit open or a school get shot up and not have it depress them for a min In which countries is this a thing that is not age regulated to be forbidden to be shown or distributed to "kids"?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 04:32 PM
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No it does not. "The top 20% of men regarding first messaged received" is not a demographic you know anything about, other than that they receive first messages. This does not even show who they go for. You are so awfully bad at reading and interpretation of data. You are jumping to conclusions. You are ideological in your approach to this. The result is "known" by you in advance, and then you take the flimsiest of "evidence" and see it proven. While all you do is fill the gaps of what the data …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 04:23 PM
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So, do men or women approach in general?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 03:34 PM
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Are you somehow not familiar with the male mating role? Men can write the opening message to anyone. They write lots of messages to all the women, then have conversations, then go on dates, then have relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 02:07 PM
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You are not testing your hypothesis. You fail because you don't try.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 02:05 PM
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I have the book open next to me. Read the context of the graph. It's clearly opening messages. Or do you think Chad only has 4 message received per week? A single conversation is more than 4 messages.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 01:38 PM
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How many times have you been removed from a venue for talking to people? Other unattractive people have no problem having friends or talking to people at a gathering. You are just afraid
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 01:36 PM
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I expose your lies or misunderstanding. This graph does not show how much engagement men have, or how many conversations they have. Stick to the truth. A degree is worthless when you are ideologically blind
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 01:24 PM
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Yes, 0 openers from women vs 4 openers from women . Just as I said. This graph does NOT show how much engagement men have. It shows who gets how many opening messages. As I said, the men can send openers themselves and get conversations and dates
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 01:18 PM
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Talking to people is the most normal thing and doesn't get you kicked out. Your fear of rejection is spiraling
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 01:15 PM
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?! It is not exponential. It's a linear axis.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 01:10 PM
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It's always the same with you guys on this sub. Alright, then keep being safe and lonely.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 01:05 PM
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Exactly! How did you try to talk to someone?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 12:59 PM
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That graph is about opening messages women sent to men. It says nothing about how much engagement those men got. They could have been talking to 10 women each day. As long as they started the conversation, it counts as "0 messages/week". Since its exponential the 85th percentile is like 1,000% more than the 60th percentile lol... and by 95th its like 10,000%... do you know how to read graphs and understand rate of change, derivatives, slopes, etc? WHAT? The scale goes from 0 to 25 messages. What…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 12:51 PM
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How come? How do you go about that? And how where those people similar to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 12:47 PM
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Be a bit loud, be a bit overbearing, be a bit arrogant, be chatty, be funny, be low inhibition, be ATTRACTIVE. All of these things help. That is just one way. You should look into different mating strategies. It's not just short term and long term strategies. Men who do not exhibit this behavior still get into relationships. There is no need to be two different strategies to get a long term mate.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 05:44 PM
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In The Art of Seduction, Robert Greene defines the Charismatic as a seducer type who draws power not from beauty or intellect but from intensity of presence. Charismatics radiate conviction and emotional energy; they seem possessed by purpose or vision, which magnetizes others. Their charm lies in emotional contagion: they make people feel what they feel. Greene breaks this type down into archetypes such as the Prophet, Guru, Enthusiast, or Rebel, all of whom evoke awe or devotion rather than si…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 04:18 PM
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Everyone gets accepted into groups that are similar to them. Friends and relationships partners are overwhelmingly similar to each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 02:22 PM
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No, i don't want to frame it as your fault. According to you, you are the only unattractive man who doesn't react with disgust towards other unattractive men. But when unattractive men are the ones having problems, and everyone should be open to their equals, in terms of friendships, support and relationships (in general), then unattactive men should support unattractive men. Apparently, every other level of attractiveness gets this done, except for unattractive men, who still reject each other …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 12:26 PM
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In this day and age, most men twist themselves to the point of reducing all of their "offensive" personality traits to fit in with whatever a woman wants just so that they get into a relationship. Last time i checked this sub, the men were saying that women specifically pick the men with offensive personality traits, and that the guys who bend themselves to the will of the woman, the nice guys, are disregarded for relationships. they can pump and dump a lot of women, but women keep denying that …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 12:24 PM
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Sampling bias. You speaking as a woman, does nothing for the credibility. Let scientists do the assessment of naivety averages of the sexes.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 11:09 AM
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Apps are still just one area of real life. For every woman in a committed long term relationship, there is a man in one, too. It can't be quick and easy for women, while not also being quick and easy for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 11:01 AM
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So the real problem are unattractive men, after all?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 10:58 AM
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That is not a committed long term relationship then. Also, we have cohabitating data that doesn't allow for that. Unless you think that two women live in the same household as their partner, as "unknowing rotations".
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 09:43 AM
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What you claim is mathematically not possible, when we talk about long term committed relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 05:34 PM
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Altruism evolved and exists because it is in the interest of the individual. That doesn't mean that everything people do is to have you meet your interests. Sometimes, people want to exploit you. But overall, altruism and cooperation dominates. The relationship podcaster doesn’t want you to succeed in relationships. The alpha male influencer doesn’t want you to find contentment in life. If you did, they’d lose a customer. You are not thinking holistically enough. People recommend the podcaster, …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 04:24 PM
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Other unattractive men do that to you for being unattractive? Autism or personality disorder, does not apply?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 03:46 PM
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Yeah and it seemed like you do not like it when women talk about it if they do not help. Let them talk, stop reading it. Or did i misunderstand something here
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 02:35 PM
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It's rather the women having a problem with that. If the guy feels that his status in the relationship doesn't depend on his monetary contribution or the relation of wealth, i doubt he would have a problem with that. Be upfront about your wealth/income and let men decide before getting into the relationship. Have an open talk about it. Filter for the people who go well with that kind of dynamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 02:30 PM
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I wasn't speaking about myself though. I am hot, easily top 10%, have a hot girlfriend and have success with women in the top 10%. I was explaining what is going on, why it is still worthwhile to be around hot women, even when chances are slim. I get tired of seeing guys pretend they’re so generous for stooping to tolerate dating women they’re actually pretty half-hearted about. That's also a status anxiety thing. Imagine people believed you actually thought yourself to be average! Instead of be…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 02:20 PM
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So you are also digusted by men like you? What are men like you? In other comments you just said that you are unattractive. So i asked about if you think unattractive men won't help each other. You think out of disgust for each other?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 02:13 PM
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Your source does NOT clearly show that men do get statistically zero engagement until that point. Stop lieing to people
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 01:56 PM
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Maybe just don't read it?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 01:55 PM
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Men here who are struggling with women have just been lied to and the people who can help them have been silenced, because our society values protecting our feelings about ourselves over the feelings over literally 65% of men who are sexless and undesired. The red pill has such a bad reputation, because people like you protect their feelings by lieing to people who need help. The manosphere is not silenced at all. The manosphere is also not helping those who need help. Telling someone who is not…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 01:54 PM
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There is a general loneliness epidemic and it's being addressed by scientists, governments and NGOs. Women are just as lonely.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 11:20 AM
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You think all unattractive men are so down and in need of help, that they cannot support another guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 11:16 AM
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If you try to "get the attention", you are trying to do the female mating role. If you just talked to them, you HAD their attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 09:41 AM
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Because we all know that this "talking about" is coming from a place of victimhood and passivity, expecting others to change it, instead of they themselves doing what is required to have a romantic relationship. I expect him to solve his romance issues himself and not suggest that there is a failing on society's oder women's part, resulting in his situation. Constant complaining without changing anything is upsetting people, because there seems to be an expectation of things to change without th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 09:35 AM
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Is it possible for a man to be merciful, kind, and emotionally expressive (when appropriate) and still be considered "strong" or "high value" in the real world? Being weak or strong is not a black and white issue. And there is no ideal. We strive on variation and the demand for different variations changes with their frequency, among other things. The extremes are what are not desired usually.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 09:28 AM
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Love always is conditional. In all relationships (except towards children)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 07:54 AM
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No, that would be you putting yourself in the friendzone with a woman who is not sexually interested in you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 07:54 AM
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Then look for social situations with equally unattractive men. What is the problem with that? Or do you shun them yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 07:47 AM
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You still need to make an argument from "dutch men are the tallest in the world" (on average). Thati s where you will fail and i will win again. Surprise me and make me apologize. Have an actual argument behind your ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 07:45 AM
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Why would a man want to go to a club where there are hot women if these hot women will reject him? Because it just feel great to be around hot women. I'd imagine it does things to our testosterone and desire in the moment, it helps a fantasy. How many times have i basically done everything from talking to having sex with a woman all in my head, while looking at her dance, and then never even approached. That was still good. "there is always hope" , especially when you are blue pilled and think t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 07:43 AM
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I don't think there is a male loneliness epidemic. All data we have shows women are equally lonely. But what has not been assessed is romantic loneliness, because the measurement scale for that has just been developed a couple of months ago: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s40359-025-03208-8 I think most Incels and other frustrated men just hop on the "loneliness is a societal issue" bandwagon, hoping that their sexlessness will be addressed by society. But besides that, there is real …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 09:01 PM
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I don't see how women (as a group) show a tendency to say they want men in wedding dresses. There is transgressing gender norms and then there is breaking all social norms to a point where you would need to give up your status in society. There is opening up and there is traumadumping and revealing what a weak coward you are. Also: individuals. You are looking at individuals, not "women".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 06:48 PM
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I don't understand what the bullet is, that has been dodged. The guy got into a car with a driver he KNEW had a bunch of drinks. If anything, she dodged a bullet there. Other than that, for the general case: let people decide on partners. One person's dodged bullet it another person's treasure
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 06:44 PM
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Yes please, do so and I will humble you even more. You cannot win this.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 05:40 PM
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What are other priorities that have nothing to do with mating/sex? Can you name a few? I will make an effort to show how it's connected to sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 05:31 PM
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"Are there questions i could ask you, that if you would have to answer them truthfully, you would be absolutely sure i would break up with you, given all you know about me?" And if the answer is no, i'd think she is a little bit too boring. Or, "assuming you would have to answer truthfully: which question do you not want me to ask the most?"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 05:18 PM
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I love about current dating and male-female dynamics: (1) that i can do whatever the fuck i can dream of and live any life i enjoy and have any relationship type that suits me. For me, that is not being married, no kids, age gap open relationship, having casual/group sex with women half my age, having just sexual relationships, sex+friendship, sex+romance, friendship+romance, or everything together, side by side. One girlfriend or multiple. Everything is possible, ultimate freedom. (2) any gende…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 12:23 PM
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How about you engage with the rest of the comment and not the obvious joke?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 11:38 AM
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First, nobody in history has been remembered for being a mother. How hard is it to accept that some people WANT to be side characters? Being a tradwife is for women who want to be tradwives. It's clearly not for you. Can you deal with the nuance of different strokes for different folks?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 10:23 AM
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Why that?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 09:47 AM
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The ideal world already exists. Because my ideal is to take things as they are. This includes, that some people understand how things work and can therefore better get their interests met, and others stumble along blindly, or want to change things to get their interests met. Some of them are successful with that, some are not. This is all fine. There are many ways to success and many different ways success is defined. We all have slightly different goals, different strategies to get there and di…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 09:47 AM
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So, you failed to show what you claimed and i could even show that the opposite is true (shorter men being married more likely). As usual, nothing of substance from you
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 07:59 AM
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I was just trying to find out what you meant. When you agree that same age women will not have a better choice, then you must think about younger women?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 07:58 AM
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It's an objective metric, but not for society's relationship or dating health. It's also not a measure of exclusivity, because open marriages exist, cheating exists. It's the normal trajectory, but it slowly changes and other trajectories for people open up. Culture changes. If people don't have kids, maybe open up the possibility, that they just don't want to have kids. Evolution didn't lead to us having a drive to procreate. We just have a sex drive, that was enough to ensure lots of kids, bef…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 07:56 AM
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So when is the male peak to be desirable for 20yo women? Or what kind of women are you talking about for whom it will get hard to counter declining looks for?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 07:50 AM
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The postmodern ideology that progressives and feminists frame everything through. Women are either oppressors or oppressed, there is no other way. And since it's impossible that women are the oppressors by other parts of ideology, this leads to men having to be the oppressors. There is also no way to put nuance into it, once you deal with labels. It's also not possible to have oppressor and oppressed characteristics within one entity (person or group). You can have different layers of oppressors…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 07:41 AM
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So who will women, of that same age, go for instead of me?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 06:24 AM
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Choose: either you are powerful or an oppressed victim.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 04:52 PM
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It's a widespread thing affecting men. I also went through most of my life, thinking "double D" means 90s porn breasts. Took a girlfriend who got into bra-fitting to teach me how band and cup interact. She didn't have massive breasts at all but had a G cup. I didn't even know letters after D exist. It's actually amazing, how men are that into tits but don't even know the basics of size regarding bras. Also women know (or knew, 15 years ago), way too less about band and cup, leading to wearing wr…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 04:47 PM
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In short, it feels almost impossible for the average guy, But it only feels that way. Statistics tell you that you are wrong in how you perceive the world. You are not expected to excel in every area. It's not your mating role to be a woman who tries to be noticed and then approached. Your job is to do the approaching. That you even call it "or they're simply OVERLOOKED" tells a lot about how you treat your role in mating. You cannot get overlooked when you do the active part. You can get reject…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 04:40 PM
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Then you should know that the data you have does not say what you claim it does. Feeling pretty, especially as defined in that study, has no interaction with amount of attention gotten. The study is especially about not focusing on physical beauty which you could get attention for. The predecessor of this study found that only 2% of women globally found themselves to be"beautiful" (this time, physical attractiveness). In an ideological push to make women feel beautiful, the definition was opned …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 03:03 PM
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It does NOT clearly show how much attention women get. Have you visited a university?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 02:27 PM
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Don't be ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 02:26 PM
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And this source CLEARLY says, that beauty was not defined by physical beauty. https://www.philips.com/c-dam/corporate/newscenter/global/standard/resources/healthcare/2017/global-beauty-index/NewsCentre-Philips-Global-Beauty-Index-2017.pdf "Our initial research, in 2015, found that women were keen to transcend their conception of beauty beyond the purely superficial, expanding the definition past looking beautiful to feeling beautiful – whether that be by taking up exercise, healthy habits, or fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 02:21 PM
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What does that mean? All men after 45 are single, while they were peak desirable just a year before?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 02:15 PM
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https://www.dailysabah.com/life/2017/11/13/9-out-of-10-women-in-turkey-find-themselves-beautiful Ah yes, we now believe stats with no source to back it up. I guess that is just turkish life?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 02:14 PM
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Mere exposure effect wants to have a word with you. Less claims, more research
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 02:07 PM
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I was talking about status, not physical attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 02:02 PM
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Guide me through that: how do you make a calculation about if you can get someone better or not, and how do statistics play into that. You do not even have statistics that are up to date, as you said in another comment. And you believe that things change so fast that the data we have is so outdated, that one cannot take it as a basis for views on reality. So, how do you do it?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 01:43 PM
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First, that is not at all the single objective assessment of the health of dating and relationships. I am in healthy, committed relationships for over 20 years and not married and not having children, because that is the ideal way for me. You are bringing in ideology and claim it's objective. Ridiculous. Marriage does not need to have anything to do with dating and relationship health. People could just not marry at all and still everyone could be in committed romantic relationships and have a h…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 01:40 PM
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!? what makes the atmosphere sexually charged, if not people thinking about sex
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 12:22 PM
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You would need to show that things change at a "speed". You just assume they do, because that is how it feels to you? Sorry, this is a lot weeker base to base a worldview on that 5 year old studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 12:21 PM
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what happens after 45 to your status?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 12:14 PM
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Takes opinion and feelings and turns it into facts. That is what most people do, regardless of their pill affiliation.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 12:13 PM
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All of that is highly dependent on the environmental factors. My current city has about 85% rented apartments/houses to 15% owned. And the age distribution is likely so that most of those living in owned apartments/houses are older than 35 and living at the outer bounds of the city. to me, it's not even attractive to have a house. I want a nice inner city apartment and i do not even want to own it with all the issues that come with it. I want to be flexibel and carefree regarding my living condi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 12:12 PM
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Yeah, women's tits grew bigger due to women getting fatter overall. You are right. It's way more american men who have had sex with a DD woman (especially since DD doesn't mean a specific volume). Please, enlighten me to how things changed regarding height and sex partner counts in men. i would LOVE to have new data on that to throw away my current beliefs that are built on data that is as up to date as i could find.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 11:49 AM
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That's why we can use statistics of representative samples for that and do not rel on selection biased plagued anecdotes. If you want to make the point that "not all gays.." yeah, i know.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 11:47 AM
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There is no how "a man/woman in his/her prime", there are only averages. On average, a woman's prime is in her early 20s, regarding physical attractiveness. Averages do not say anything about an individual. An individuals peak physical attractiveness might be in their 30s or 40s. A woman in her prime is therefore also not "already attractive". Ugly women are also having a prime. Prime is depending on prime of what. Prime physical attractiveness? Prime fertility? Prime wealth? Prime status? Prime…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 11:46 AM
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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1570677X20302409 Do you mean this? if yes, then lol. Birth years prior to 1900 and outcome is marriage not sex partner count. If not, then please show your source https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1570677X22000685 Average height is associated with a decreased risk of being unmarried (in the Netherlands). "being shorter-than-average (0.75–0.5 standard deviations below the mean height) was associated with a higher probability of b…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 11:29 AM
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There are no PURELY masculine or feminie traits. That is not how masculinity and feminintiy are defined.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 10:50 AM
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What does pretty and gym have to do with masculinity?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 10:49 AM
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The decline in relationships are primarily due to more and more people men and women, opting to become masculine Source needed. In a evermore individualistic world, masculine traits are rewarded How so? Rewarded by whom and with what? An antidote to this is the performative man. Since more and more women are masculine, an easy way for guys to cater the dynamics is to just become a feminine man. You would first need to show that the performative feminine man has a higher chance to get what he wan…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 10:46 AM
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What is it now? Either those platforms are the standard for forming romantic relationships, or they employ tactics to keep their users single and without a romantic relationship. Men are not angry. You are listening to a fringe minority of men who didn't learn what is required to fulfill their mating role. It's not about apps. IF they had lots of matches, they would still fail to make anything out of them. If dating apps would be removed, those men who are now unsuccessful would still be unsucce…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 10:31 AM
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Just don't use dating apps. If all you can go by is looks, and looks alone don't do enough for women, as they need to see and observe a man acting in real life to be really attracted, they will put a higher threshold on looks to even consider a man. As you said it: walk confidently is important. You can't walk confidently on dating apps. Smiling in a sundress with toned legs works perfectly on dating apps. It's even better than the real deal. While for women, what they see on dating apps is not …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 10:16 AM
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No i didn't imply that. I just stated what is happening. Must be weird for you that an inequality is not met with "we need to correct this!"
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 10:11 AM
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What is "success", what is a "good personality"? Why do you assume there is an optimal strategy that could be adopted by every man? If one thing is clear, than that optimal strategies vary based on your personality. The science on the topic even says, that personality is just an outgrowth of our mating strategies. Look at narcissists as an example: optimized short term mating success startegy. Fails horribly for long term. Now what is "success"? Do you want a long term or short term success? Do …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 10:07 AM
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No, i don't think that, or imply that. That seems to just be your jerk reaction to realizing that women are responsible for straight men being restricted and gay men, without the need for women, having a better sex life on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 09:42 AM
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Since body height only weakly correlates with sex partner count in men, women are not picking 6" and above men to a higher degree than shorter men. So the chance for a single woman is depending on her sex partner count. At 5 sex partners, the chance is ~53%. With 5 being about the median for sex partner counts, half of women had 53% or lower chance to had sex with a 6" and above guy. But since sex partner count is a heavly right skewed distribution, with the top 5% of women having more than doub…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 09:36 AM
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You said men are worried about other men? What other men should I be worried about? You're not more physically attractive than me and I can say that with FULL CONFIDENCE without ever having seen you... I like your confidence, and i am a fan of overrating oneself. But if that profile pic you had yesterday is you, then you would not be judged more attractive than me on average. Who you should be "worried" about? Nobody. It's not about worrying, it's about winning the competition with other men ove…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 08:18 AM
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No, the point is that population averages do not predict individual mate choice outcomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 08:07 AM
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And what do we know about him? Nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 08:03 AM
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Evolution works on variability of traits and trait expression. Just because most people fall within "healthy" levels of these traits, doesn't mean that the ones who don't should also be able to "control" them, so their behavior also falls within the normal range. This is not something that an individual has complete or even a little control over in some cases. This does not relieve someone of the responsibility and they have to bear the consequences of their trait expressions.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 08:01 AM
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Marriage is nothing compared to having children together
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 07:49 AM
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Straight men and gay men are actually the same, regarding their sex drive and their views about sex, on average. It's women, that limit straight men and force them to change their behavior. Gay men are living the male dream. Just look at sex frequency/sex partner counts of lesbian couples, straight couples and gay couples. It's very clear, that the women are the part that restrict men from living the life they would want to live with their sex partners. While there is little difference between l…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 07:46 AM
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Man, men place so much value on sex because that is biology of males of sexual reproducing species. Women place so much value on with whom they have sex, because that is the biology of females of sexual reproducing species. Romantic love includes the sex drive, but not necessarily so. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_of_romantic_love#New_model https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10616966/
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 07:43 AM
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What you want to say is: The traits in men that are responsible for wanted behavior, are also responsible for unwanted behavior. It's impossible to just pick the good aspects and expect men to not express the others (flawlessly). Core Trait Wanted Expression (Attractive) Unwanted Expression (Repulsive) Dominance Confident leadership, assertive boundaries, calm authority Arrogance, control-seeking, coercive behavior Confidence Composure under stress, self-trust, clarity of intent Narcissism, delu…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 05:46 PM
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You didn't understand my comment and you likely didn't understand OP correctly. I don't care to explain again, it's not that interesting of a topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 04:59 PM
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I don't see the connection to what i wrote. Do you get the women you are happy with? If yes, then you win the competition for them. If not, then you lose. How not getting the women you would be happy with is processed and explained, is the topic my comment was about.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 04:58 PM
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Why don't you engage with my arguments then? We have democracies. If you do not like that there is a majority who is against abortion, maybe democracy is not your type of government. Women are not united beind being pro or against abortion rights or any specific level of rights regardign that topic. Feminists fight for feminist interests, not women interests in this regard. Some women are obsessed with not letting people decide what they do with their own bodies. You are blind man, ideologically…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 03:50 PM
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It does NOT ruin their pair bonding ability. It increases the chance for divorce. In both sexes.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 03:45 PM
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If anything, feminism says women should be free to do all the things men do. Great, then why are feminists still feeling oppressed and fight to achieve something?`We are already past the point of women being able to do all the things men do. If you think of yourself as capable, why do you need preferential treatment to achieve what you want? Why do you need support? Being capable means achieving it by yourself, on your own, or with the help you can acquire by yourself. Yes i agree that feminism …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 03:28 PM
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So you mean "what most people who comment on this sub mean, when they say feminism is bad for women"? But I’m happy to hear your personal thoughts on what you think would be “good for women” if “feminism is bad.” An ideology that tells women how bad they have it and that they are oppressed by men who are bad by definition, is not something i regard to be good for women. This doesn't mean everything that feminism achieved is bad. Feminism has achieved everything it needed to, in my opinion. In WE…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 01:49 PM
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I don't expect anyone to settle, ever. And i don't see any evidence for settling to take place. There is no reason to settle. Unless you define settling as taking a partner that is less than an ideal version one has in mind. In which case everyone that has ever lived has settled and the term becomes meaningless. Then, regarding a man not having a prime is ridiculous. Of course a man has a prime. It may be different for every man, when this prime happens, or how big his mating market value is in …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 01:22 PM
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Take risks. People will be fine. Also, take responsibility for the risks you take. What people seem to want is either risk-free success, or taking risks but not having to bear the consequences. Add in a lack of social skills or surplus of autism, and the whole risk assessment is out of the window, leading to cases such as the one you showed. Add to that, a learned helplessness and victim status, and you have people who can't stand up for what they want in a moment. If i don't want to be kissed i…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 11:30 AM
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Name anyone who is a good person. How much morally bad behavior is required to make someone lose good person status?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 11:13 AM
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Is that your equivalent or what you would WANT to be/look like, as a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 11:10 AM
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That is no basis to claim that everything women do is natural selection. Well, words have meanings and i am a biologist. Go look up the definition of natural selection and sexual selection and when you are at it, read this: https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2013-31861-009 "...case for switching from the males-compete/females-choose (MCFC) model to the mutual mate choice (MMC) model as the main framework that it should be used for understanding human sexual evolution. As SWT emphasized repeatedly, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 10:42 AM
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How can you even say this do you ever go outside and talk to people? Yeah, and that makes it pretty obvious, that women understand that physical attractiveness and youth are weighted by men way higher than by women. And that status and resources are weighted much higher by women than by men. Many will spin their hoe-phase as an exploration/learning journey that made them into the mature and wise adult they are today. Well, you will be hard pressed to have anyone say that what they do severely re…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 10:36 AM
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Where did you get that stat from?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 10:00 AM
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There's this narrative that feminism somehow hurts women too and that women are unhappier than ever. Bullshit, I don't buy it at all. [...] It is the traditionalist women who face an endless amount of expectations and restrictions. I don't like how you never do any actual research and base threads on opinions, anecdotes and what you feel about what reality is like, rather than what it really is like. We have studies that look at happiness between conservative and liberal women, between feminists…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 09:59 AM
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Yes that is a good thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 07:00 PM
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Testosterone-novelty coupling Testosterone modulates the mesolimbic system’s sensitivity to sexual novelty. Levels increase during the anticipation of novel mating opportunities, but not during repeated exposure. This enhances reward salience for new partners and dampens it for familiar ones. High-testosterone males show stronger novelty-seeking and sexual variety preference (Archer, 2006). Evolutionary efficiency From an adaptive perspective, the Coolidge effect promotes gene dispersion. Invest…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 06:07 PM
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decline in male sexual interest after initial intercourse with a new partner is an effect of evolved reward dynamics, not conscious preference. The key mechanisms are dopaminergic, androgenic, and evolutionary. Dopaminergic reward collapse Initial sexual novelty triggers a strong phasic dopamine burst in the mesolimbic reward circuit (especially the nucleus accumbens and ventral tegmental area). This peak creates intense motivation and anticipatory arousal. Once intercourse occurs, the dopaminer…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 06:06 PM
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Please, tell me more about that guarantee. What is it based on? Your feelings?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 05:59 PM
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You know damn well that the average man is in a relationship, when 70% of men currently are. With 60%+ having regular sex each year, this is the same for average men. Both when you look at the median man and the probability of a randomly picked "average" man being in a relationship and having sex. You need to add "men under 30", because you know. You add something to my statement and then say I am wrong. Restricting the demographic to include ages where men usually have a lowered interest in rom…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 05:57 PM
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Or you could just learn social norms, masking, impulse control and perspective taking and not be called those terms. If you already don't, and you just get labeled as being part of men, then get out of the label "men". Identify as a woman. If enough men identify as women, both labels get called creeps, rapists, etc. Unless being a woman now requires something biological again..
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 05:44 PM
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Rapidly decreasing reward system outputs for repeatedly having sex with the same woman, is the cause of it. It is barely worth it to have a second meetup. I'd rather do the work and find a new sex partner, than having zero effort second time sex with a woman I already had casual sex with. If there is no other dimension to the relationship, you won't get men to come back for more repeatedly. Unless it's some rare match of kinks/fetishes, that they can't get anywhere else. I'd say FWB often do hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 05:36 PM
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Stats don’t lie, why so many more guys are single than women. This gets explained every single day in this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 02:37 PM
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and do you accept our own personal observations as a counter to what you said? What kind of evidence would you accept to change your mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 02:18 PM
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And i have seen the ugliest dudes with women, just because the women cannot get anyone else because they are around the same mate value. Your isse was not that you didn't have what woman really want, it was/is that you didn't cultivate it, didn't learn it, didn't change towards a man a woman wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 02:11 PM
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Men and women value differen things in the other sex and with different weights. We all know that. You know that. Op knows that. Just like how women point out that men ditch women for high body count while they have high body count themselves. Women get pregnant, men dont. This MASSIVE difference in men and women and leads to the behavior we see.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 02:00 PM
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Really, pointless to further talk to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 12:36 PM
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Their hypergamous mind would never let thoughts of being settling for a man come to their mind. MANY? NEVER?! The overwhelming majority of all committed relationships /marriages are with Non-Chads. The overwhelming majority of women are also currently in such a relationship. What are you talking about? If anything, then it's a fringe minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 11:05 AM
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Because you are insecure as fuck. I wouldn't want to have a second date with you just by how insecure you are, without knowing anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 10:59 AM
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You are not answering my question
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 10:58 AM
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We are helping the impoverished and mentally ill
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 10:53 AM
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This is just what you feel. Don't trust your feelings
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 10:52 AM
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So age doesn't matter? Status, wealth, IQ, physical health, etc all do not matter? Confidence, creativity, wit, social skills, mental health? So you think a male supermodel has the highest mate value and will likely have the highest mate value woman as a partner? They reject you because they might have no interest in casual sex (right now), or no interest in a relationship (right now). They might look for someone who isn't a narcissist, because that predicts low relationship satisfaction. They m…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 10:29 AM
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And you determine mate value by looks only? Why should someone objectively below you in looks not reject you for casual sex or a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 10:18 AM
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How do you know? Also, why should someone below your level want to have casual sex with you=?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 10:00 AM
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You think everyone is below you. Remember, narcissist.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 09:47 AM
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You are free to act in your own interest. I'd recommend everyone to do it. But you are short sighted, if you think it's in your interest to want enforced monogamy. It's not even in your interest to say out loud, to your girlfriend, what you just wrote. Also, how would the distribution of women onto men for enforced monogamy even work?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 09:46 AM
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that women, on average, receive lighter punishment for the same crimes as men So, some women receive harsher punishments for the same crime as men? Or do ALL women receive lighter punishments than men? Even men receive harsher or lighter punishments than other men for the same crime. Is it possible, that there are other factors determining the sentence, and it just correlates with sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 08:37 AM
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How is it "getting away" when they are found not guilty for reasons of insanity?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 08:14 AM
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You talk as if women haven been objects without personhood recently and the women that are relevant dating demographic experienced that themselves, or even their parents. Same for men. Also, from what men do you get pushback on your advice? That is literally red pill advice to optimize yourself. Though the "stay true to yourself" is mostly changed to a oversimplified cookiecutter version of what works. For the men that absolutely do get nowhere in dating, being true to themselves is often not th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 07:56 AM
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Even then it doesn't make them the same league. 21yo woman and 21yo man, rest being equal, do not have the same mate value. Woman and man with 25% bodyfat do not have the same value. Woman and man at 6 foot tall do not have the same value. etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 07:43 AM
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So you expect a blind person to marry a blind person because .... they are on the same level? Don't you think it's reasonable to look for someone that complements you rather than having the same problems that you want to get out of? There surely are men on this woman's mate value level, who have a job and an apartment, but lack in other departments that are not that important to her right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 07:37 AM
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And you think you will change an ideologists mind by pointing out a contradiction?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 05:38 AM
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What do you get from that? Don't you want to see actual change rather than arguing about if feminism is defined right? Who fucking cares
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 04:14 AM
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You made the claim that I am wrong. I asked for proof, because you seemed to have evidence, when you know I am wrong. But glad to see that you don't and it was just an opinion
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 04:13 AM
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I am not saying age gap relationships are increasing. I said that they exist and are a major factor for the difference in relationships rates in people aged 18-29. If you compare men aged 21-32 with women aged 18-29, there is no difference in relationship rates. That is just an average 3 year age gap for that demographic. If you add in that there are 105 men for every 100 women in that demographic, you will see that there really is nothing scary going on.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 10:18 PM
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Well, just accept that feminism is not about men's interests and that we do have to push for those ourselves. Also, accept that men and women are to broad categories for interest. Find people who share your interests and then push for them. Or, just do it like I do and find your own social environment where there are already those values in place. You seem way too concerned with what is "stigmatized", "shamed" etc. And lastly, what some groups TRY to change is not what is going to happen. Realit…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 10:15 PM
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Yes and OP is wrong about thinking that having the same living conditions makes one the same league
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 06:45 PM
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Leagues are probability based. Don't be silly.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 05:50 PM
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No, that is not at all what leagues mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 05:49 PM
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You go first, then I present my evidence
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 05:17 PM
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So when they message you first, you have good dates, sex or relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 09:14 AM
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Great, but you still think you are unlovable.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 09:12 AM
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What do you base your "ought" on? 25% of young men are not even looking for a relationship. Why should they have sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 09:10 AM
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Those are marriages
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 09:05 AM
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Can you prove that?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 08:55 AM
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What is culturally forbidden for low value men that would be their only means to succeed?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 08:53 AM
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Then you have the explanation
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 08:50 AM
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You messaged her afterwards?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 08:49 AM
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Yeah, i have been arguing the same to explain the "young men being single" stuff. But to no avail. No views changed. I wonder if there are neutral readers who get convinced. The ones i am arguing with are not convinced. It's ideology, and i think we might be fools to go in with evidence. THe manosphere likes to point out how all men are into young women. But when "all men" go into the market for young women and young men lose the competition over them, they go shockedpikachu.jpg Like what do the…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 04:38 PM
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Unless you are a clinical narcissist, someone rejecting you does not feel like an insult. Are you a narcissist?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 04:36 PM
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THere are no instances of grizzlies falling in love with men and having loving relationships or mutuall consented to sex. So...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 04:15 PM
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Try to not look at it that way. It WILL affect how you behave. Also, gratz on the date! I believe in you. You are a person worthy of being loved by someone who matches with you on a specific, individual level.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 04:14 PM
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Absolutely, i agree. Also regarding cultures. to me, a friend is something way closer than what your typical american would call a friend. Maybe the picture i linked in the previous comment didn't account for that, as it's more pubscience. I did post studies regarding male and female friendships and the difference in how they are structured, how close or focussed they are, etc. I don't remeber if it is in this branch of the discussion or if it was another comment of me in the topic. THe study al…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 04:12 PM
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It's not an insult. You should work that out with a therapist or friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 02:25 PM
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You take assumptions as evidence. That is not how it works
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 02:24 PM
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Natural selection is what "nature selects". Women never used natural selection. All they can do is use sexual selection. And btw, humans have mutual mate choice, not female choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 02:10 PM
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You would need to ask them to find out.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 02:09 PM
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Because that individual match between this specific woman and you was not what she wanted in that specific moment. Her judgment is hers alone, and not that of all women
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 02:09 PM
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This is not evidence
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 01:59 PM
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No that is not why they do it. Ask any woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 01:58 PM
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That is not evidence. You protect yourself from possible rejection by assuming they find you ugly. Classic.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 01:57 PM
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how do you know all the women in your class find you ugly?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 01:43 PM
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Because, i, a Chad, also get rejected by individual women, while most women actually do like and desire me. Rejection rate depends highly on mate value discrepancies, but also on individual match. It's part of "mating intelligence" to be able to estimate who would be a good fit and reduce rejection rate. I can go out and just approach women where i basically know, i will get rejected, and i can pick women where i have high chance to be accepted. How i go about this also changes the outcome. Just…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 01:42 PM
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Like always, you are the MVP here. Just want to add, that the age preference changes over age. Young men do not prefer younger partners as much as slightly older men. Similarly, women's preference for older partners is highest when they are young and then reduces over their own age. Here, have a graph with "preferred" ages. Sadly, the study didn't provide exact values for what "older" means and where the boundaries are. So just take it as a general picture of things change. But since the prefere…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 01:37 PM
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If dating is very difficult for you, you are not the average man. The average man is having regular sex and is in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 01:29 PM
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All my advice is evidence based. It works. Your advie is "dont even try", accept sexlessness and singledom because you are not high value enough. This is only avoiding pain in the short term, while you grow frustrated and resentful, going down a pathway that will remove you as a possible partner for anyone. Not even "luck" will be enough then to change your situation. You are , as i said, a hopeless case by your own doing
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 01:28 PM
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I don't need help. I have more than most men dream of.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 01:25 PM
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you are a hopeless case to be helped over the internet. i give up. Do whatever but please dont spread lies
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 10:56 AM
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Which data do you have on what the factors are that predict if a man is in a relationship or not?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 10:44 AM
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So you believe men's self reported lay counts? Why have I been rejected by women way below my level after dates? Your confidence doesn't matter. No, i know that men, especially when they are about 10 sex partners, tend to round their estimated count to the nearest 5. (15,20,25,30,etc) We can see that in the data. But we also do not have to trust men, we can trust women as the floor of what men's numbers must be on average, as men and women do need to have the same average (mean). There is no roo…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 10:44 AM
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I know for a fact that when I go on a date or were to approach a woman she would reject me. No, this is your negative view of self and your determinism, ideology and insecurity speaking. That you speak of "a woman" as if all women had the same options in men. There are unattractive, addicted, broke men who have girlfriends. There are autists with girlfriends. There are men who are just like you, for every aspect other than their view about themselves, who have a girlfriend. The way you feel secu…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 10:40 AM
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I've done it and stayed kind and respectful. I just lost the insecurity and developed masculine traits. What you think needs to be done to be respectful, is just wrong. Chatgpt is a great help planning actionable routines to develop your masculine traits and becoming more confident. It's not rocket science. You dont need to become an asshole.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 10:10 AM
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Sexual liberation of women however breaks that paradigm de facto (not completely but in a way that’s difficult to distinguish with the primitive parts of our brain), and shifts the rules of mating toward the Darwinian end of the spectrum. What is the effect size of that shift? Men and women aged 30-45 are currently to 72%+ in committed relationships. What you talk about is only relevant to young people who are not interested in committed relationships. As even among the young demographic, close …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 10:01 AM
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Manopshere twists this to their ideology. Adds things that are not present in the science.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 09:41 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 09:40 AM
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Our genes aren't these fitness-maximizing automata which are able to deliberately seek out and propagate desirable traits. In order to make a complete evolutionary argument, you must first explain the exact mechanism which led to a certain disposition being selected for (eg, make a precise argument for why less-jealous men had fewer offspring), and then explain how that disposition came to be encoded as a specific instinct. Very rarely do you see this level of justification from evo-psych people…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 09:40 AM
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"getting any woman just by being confident" is not at all how it works. You are still limited to your mate value and subjective matching with a respective woman, in order to "get her". I never said that confidence is ALL that matters, i said that looks only correlate weakly with number of sex partner count and not at all with if someone is in a relationship or not. What is highly predictive of if a man is in a relationship, is if he is confident. If have read the study you linked 5 years ago alr…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 09:18 AM
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You thinking that you are low mate value is a major factor in that you are single.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 09:03 AM
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What about "women maintained their early clique sizes across a much greater age range than men" says "more women are losing friends as they age" to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 09:02 AM
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It does say the opposite. You seem to not have read it or are incapable of look past your blackpilled ideology. You have no place in this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 01:39 PM
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i am waiting for your evidence and studies supporting your views. Will not further interact with you until your bring evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 01:38 PM
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I answered with lots of sources and can bring DOZENS more if you have sources to support your case. But you don't. I have looked for your sources for years, they do not exist. it's just frustrated incels who keep making that shit up
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 12:27 PM
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It does matter a lot
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 12:26 PM
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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886921007546 https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychology/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2022.904848/full https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2013-36062-001 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40806-023-00382-z https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886917306037 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40806-018-0169-1 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13178-020-00496-0 personality matters. Mentality and psych…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 12:26 PM
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Im not mad at high SMV dudes for existing and getting laid -- women are the ones all fucking the same dudes. So you want to tell me, that you are mad at people going for the most attractive options they have, rather than you not being among the most attractive options of people? You realize that this is a coping strategy to not have to deal with the fact that you are not an attractive option. Which means other men are better than you. Which means you are defective. Not worthy of casual sex. Etc.…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 10:08 AM
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bring evidence for "looks is what matters". Bring evidence for "confidence doesnt matter". App data is not evidence. A study is evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 09:46 AM
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Getting rejected is part of life for everyone. It only matters if rejection is all you get. Which is not what happens to most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 09:44 AM
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Because other men are winning the competition. If they would not be this good, women would have to take less good men. If everyone was a stupid broke incel, then that would be what women can pick from.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 09:43 AM
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Confidence means everything. Looks mean barely anything. Looks are not a predictor of if a man is single or not. Read the science dude. You are an ideologically blind, frustrated guy who doesn't want to believe in reality, because of what that would mean for his own situation. I am done talking to you. You are refusing to accept reality. Bring some stats if you want to convince anyone of the stuff you believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 09:41 AM
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Lol birth rates are not due to people being single. Check out birth rates around the globe, and corresponding marriage rates, single rates, "modenr darting culture", etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 09:40 AM
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Which part about emotional intelligence would prevent that?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 09:39 AM
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Most men ARE loved right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 09:38 AM
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No, you are in an oversaturated market. Real life is shit? For incels yes, for the vast majority of men, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 09:38 AM
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You should make an effort to get an objective view first. There is no MALE loneliness epidemic. It affects men and women equally in terms of percentages who report different levels of feeling lonely. Incels hijacked the loneliness topic by making it about sexlessness and being single. There is no representative data yet on romantic loneliness between the sexes. A study that presented a scale to measure romantic loneliness just came out a few months ago and it showed married people report higher …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 08:39 AM
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App data doesn't show that. It shows that women have overlapping preferences, not that they have the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 08:26 AM
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Apps are high reward and low effort. Just because you're too unattractive to use them doesn't mean that they don't work. There are no better alternatives. Real life is high effort no reward. I am a top 5% guy and apps work for me pretty well. Just as real life. I was talking about the general male dating app population, for whom the time investment vs reward is poor. And the toll on their confidence and selfworth is immense. Look at you, you think you are worthless because you don't succeed on a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 08:25 AM
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Reality is that men and women are mostly satisfied in their relationships, love their partners and have regular sex. Also, that most people are in relationships and do not struggle to get there.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 08:23 AM
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Most of them are paying for it and most never experience raw attraction You have no evidence to base any of that on. It's just black pill ideology No, most men cannot easily get casual sex. Why should they? That is not possible in a situation with high demand and low supply
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 08:21 AM
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Those are from older generations. In today's dating market where women want the top men things are extremely different. No, you can also look at real life couples of the young generation right now and see the same. You do not see what it's like for most men, because you do not see most men. Only studies can give you insights on what it's like for most men. You see a limited perspective of incels and blackpillers. Going on dates is not simping and being a clown. You are coping because you cant ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 08:20 AM
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App data is not a real life market. It's a heavily skewed market and mixes sex and relationship intentions. Also it highly skews towards male valuations of mate value and offers too little information for women. Apps are not a good way to determine value of men and women
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 08:17 AM
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Then some of the other assumptions can't be true. Either theiy are not hypergamous, or they do not have lots of options in men who are better than them.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 08:16 AM
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Then you would know that emotional intelligence does not prevent one from getting into abusive relationships where the people had clear warning signs. I didn't say you said men are the more logical sex. But it think you should probably know it is that way and a single example doesn't disprove that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 08:14 AM
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Nobody defines anything away. Men report themselves that they have these numbers of close friends. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 08:12 AM
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After dating a lot of women, one thing I've noticed Sampling bias, perception bias. why women tend to have few or no close friends <image> Sex differences in close friendships and social style "In a seminal series of studies has highlighted a number of key differences in the dynamics of the two genders' relationships: male friendships tend to be more casual and club-like, whereas female relationships tend to be more dyadic and focussed. In effect, men's close networks are typically more integrat…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 08:03 AM
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while a man in the same leggings might receive ridicule or assumptions of sexual intent. Well, that is what heuristics are. Women wear this stuff because it grants them status because men like viewing women this way and therefore it also grants them intrasexual status and just makes them "feel good" (doing it for me). Men do not wear this stuff because women are not wanting to see men like that to nearly the same extent. There is no intrasexual status coming with revealing gym clothes for men. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 07:28 AM
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The whole point is, that loser men do not want to face the reality that they are losing the competition with other men over women. That would result in a bad view of themselves. Rather, they want to make it about women being wrong in their choices, or society having the wrong values that result in them being losers. It's other men who are the enemies, not women. Women just pick winners. But as a man who is incapable of being competitive with other men, it seems easier or the only way to become a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 07:09 AM
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If women are hypergamous, that means that the man who "takes the women who comes along", is a hypergamous choice for the woman. So she things he is better than her. Means she desires him.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 06:58 AM
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You would need to show that all women find the same group of men unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 06:57 AM
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The ratio matters a lot. When there are 1:5 men to women, 80% of men cannot find a partner in that market. Apps are not high reward for most men on them. They are low reward for low effort. No most men do not struggle to date. Most men do struggle to get casual sex though. THat is to be expected and cannot be changed. Again, the ratio matters. Men want more casual sex than women have to offer. By definition, that means that most desires for casual sex will not be fulfilled. Who gets it is determ…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 06:53 AM
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dude, spill your black pill defeatist ideology somewhere else. We have the data to disprove what you say
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 06:48 AM
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We have the data to clearly disprove that. 70%+ of men have sex in a given year, most of them very regularly. Very low percentage of virgins past age 25.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 06:47 AM
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We can look at ACTUAL real life couple right now. They are similar regarding most traits. From education to attractiveness to social status, etc. Get out of your online dating app bubble and your social media rage bait If you need to go on dates then you are a clown. Why that? Dates are fun
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 06:46 AM
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Prove it, and take into account women post menopause
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 06:43 AM
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Whenever I hear this statement im baffled cause so many of them had a abusive or toxic ex, who was shit to them , like major red flag but they still couldn't see it even if there was a neon sign above his head. (1) you don't know what emotional intelligence is (2) you don't know what differences in average values between populations mean (3) you don't know what an equivalent is (4) examples do not disprove AVERAGE values for the population. "Because your post exists, men cannot be the more logic…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 06:37 AM
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Most men take the best they can get. Just as women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 08:09 PM
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What do you expect when the ratio is 1:5 or worse? That is specific to dating apps. Go date in real life where there is a 1:1 ratio I am a man. I am not struggling to date or have casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 08:08 PM
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Being rejected by every woman you ever tried to date just means you are shooting above your league. Everyone gets rejected, even Chads. In the end, basically everyone finds someone on their level who matches.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 06:23 PM
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Are you aware that that is the reality for 95% of men? No i am not and i also do not believe that without evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 06:21 PM
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Sure, getting rejected is not struggling, though. Men find relationship partners when they go for women on their mate value level. Also, it's mathematically impossible that women find relationships quickly on average, while men do not. Why would a woman be in a relationship with a man she is not attracted to?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 05:39 PM
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So what is not true? Women being picky, having lots of options and high standards? Or women picking men who they don't really want. Most men get rejected, sure, but that is just part of finding a long term partner. just like women take months or years to find a long term partner and get rejected in the meantime. You just need to be a clown/dancing monkey if you make up lacking mate value towards the woman you are interested in. If you pick women who are on your mate value level, you do not need …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 05:36 PM
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Jack is pursuing 6-7s on a good day? You think top 10% men go for 6-7s?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 05:27 PM
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Being a lawyer does not add the same amount of mate value to a woman than to a man. And neither does being fit.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 05:24 PM
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Not even close. 70% of men are in committed relationships currently.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 05:23 PM
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Most men are in relationships with women. Those women are super picky and have high standards and lots of options to pick from (right? RIGHT?). So how can those men be repulsive to the women they are with?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 05:21 PM
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he is too picky, if he thinks he can demand the same traits in women and expects that would be the same value in men than it is in women. Jack should look into the red pill, to find out that women and men value different things differently weighted.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 05:17 PM
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This is not purgatory. Not being able to date the hottest and most successful women is not purgatory. Jack can date women on his new mate value level now, just like everyone else who can only date women on their mate value level. Regardless of if they did a lot to get there or not. Also, if physical attractiveness is so important to Jack, he can take the tradeoff and look for women who have other traits that lower their overall mate value.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 05:03 PM
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Before you even went on a date is not "early stages of dating". Your are a possibility of a date. A faint hint of something. Nothing to commit any kind of exclusivity towards. This has nothing to do with them talking to other people while you are in a committed relationship with them. You were the guy she started talking to while already talking or going on dates with others. If you don't want that, tell them that you don't want that and accept he consequences
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 09:57 AM
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You mean what OP describes besides attractiveness not being able to be changed? You mean that large parts of human biology and psychology, what motivates, drives and rewards us is tied to everything that belongs to mating? How is that shit? We are literally built to enjoy that
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 09:06 AM
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No, if anything, we take turns on a night out, so it evens out approximately in the end. I would not feel good, being the one who pays. I want it to be worth it for her, without sweetening the deal with a financial aspect. The women i have been on dates with mostly also insisted, that they pay for their expenses or we share the bill, because they want to signal that they are not a leech, that tehy are independent and that there is no expectation that they have to make up for the financial uneven…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 09:05 AM
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Those belong to the agreeableness personality dimension: Specifically, it corresponds to the Trust facet, which measures the degree to which a person assumes others are honest, reliable, and have good intentions. A “trustworthy” individual is typically high in Trust (believes others are sincere) and also elicits trust from others through consistent honesty, reflecting overlap with Straightforwardness (Honesty) within the same domain. High Trust: believes people are generally well-intentioned; ap…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 08:37 AM
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Depends on what you count as personality traits. If we go by Big5/Five factor model, my wishlist would be: low neuroticism, very high openness for experience, moderately high conscientiousness. If you want to be more specific and go to the subscales, i think my wishlist would be: Curiousity Adventurousness Self-efficacy But as always with these "preferences" lists, people, and i, assume some things to be present, before we go to the wishlist items. So we are only thinking about the "luxury" item…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 08:24 AM
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That is a different argument. If you leave out the pair bonding ability stuff, or even, that having casual sex REDUCES your ability or even completely destroys it, then we do not have a dispute on that front.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 07:29 PM
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And what is the problem with that? Romantic bonds did not evolve to hold a lifetime. It's foolish to expect anything else than a string of relationships in a person's life.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 06:58 PM
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Not a working example because there is no repeating to be normal after you are dead. I see that you just don't want to believe that people are capable of being emotionally bonded to others when they have a certain number of sex partners, which you are not sure about yourself about the quantity. YOu also probably conflate emotionally bonded with "never leaving someone". Bonds can end and will end. Being deathly afraid of a bond ending is an issue to look into. Just rejecting everyone who has a sl…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 06:24 PM
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Dude, women AND men attack struggling men. Get your struggling fixed instead of trying to get men to shut up women, so you feel better.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 05:22 PM
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No that is the pattern of being able to do both. You came to a conclusion about the pattern in the person too early.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 05:16 PM
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I do observe reality. Even in the most objective way, by reading studies on that topic. We have clear evidence that you are wrong. People can increase their attractiveness. Both looks and most of the rest of what makes up their attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 04:46 PM
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And the pattern is, it doesn't affect pair bonding ability.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 04:41 PM
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Yes, but not one of inability to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 01:34 PM
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Then tell me what you know about it and where from. It's hard to debate something when you are that vague
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 12:43 PM
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No woman has ever asked me to give her stuff or money. Seems like you are just a guy who tries to make up for being disliked by giving people money.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 12:29 PM
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It's very much correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 12:27 PM
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I don't get it. I don't want her to not pursue education, career and sexual opportunities in order to marry her. All of that make her a better match for me. I don't want her to sacrifice anything, just as i don't want to sacrifice things that are important to me. For men who do want an uneducated, stay at home wife with zero barely any sexual partners: they already exist, without someone having to sacrifice anything. And they are not even in high demand, so the men who want them should have thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 12:21 PM
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Even if that were true, why does it matter? Why make a debate about it? Why have some kind of frustration about that? Be stoic and understand what you can change and what not.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 11:57 AM
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NO, autistic women do not mask better than autistic men Source? Nothing. Actual scientific evidence: Yes, autistic women mask better than autistic men. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1362361319864804 "Social camouflaging describes the use of strategies to compensate for and mask autistic characteristics during social interactions. A newly developed self-reported measure of camouflaging (Camouflaging Autistic Traits Questionnaire) was used in an online survey to measure gender diffe…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 11:55 AM
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"acting nice" is inferior to "being kind". Being kind is super important for men and women to get into friendships and relationships. If you are not kind and need to "act nice", you will have a bad time. But that is not the only way to get laid. Being disagreeable but confident are the major short term sexual partner traits in men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 11:34 AM
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Also, all of that is correlation and theories for what the causing effect is (mutation load affecting facial attractiveness through disruption of symmetry etc.). From the study: "As an alternative explanation for our results it is possible that less attractive men could be less successful in finding a mate and hence start reproducing later. If attractiveness is to some degree heritable (see McGovern, Neale, & Kendler, 1996; Rowe, Clapp, & Wallis, 1987), then also for this reason older fathers wou…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 09:52 AM
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I am going to look at the sources and address them (1)-(4). Sources from the video: One, two, three, four (1) Old fathers pass on more mutations to kids than old mothers. This is not about women not aging like milk, or that your value does not go down with age. It does not show how eggs do not expire or deteriorate, it's about accumulation of mutations by cell division, that does not happen in eggs. Eggs still deteriorate in quality and quantitiy by age, leading to defects and lower fertility. (…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 09:51 AM
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So you don't know? You just assume it must be the way you feel it has to be?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 09:48 AM
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That is why i said, that i already explained this a number of times to the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 07:49 AM
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Here’s the uncomfortable truth: if someone isn’t attracted to you, no amount of money, wealth, or personality will change that. Beyond basic hygiene and health, everything else is out of your control. Yet society constantly pushes the lie that success and self-worth are tied to desirability. You, or the AI, argues about individual, specific attraction of an individual to you. "society" (rather red pillers) push the truth, that money, wealth, and personality (among other things) are part of the a…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 07:35 AM
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Alright, so what number of bodies has what kind of serious effect on "monogamous feelings" in men and in women?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 07:12 AM
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I don't think that's true. Men want the top 20%, certainly. But they want quite a bit else besides. And that is the same for women. The top 20% just has the most overlap of being wanted by women. But as women have different preferences a way larger percentage of men gets found attractive by some women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 07:08 AM
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This is based on a lack of understanding the female perspective on mate choice and attraction. Men thinking from their perspective, jumping to conclusions about women's behavior. Evaluation of attractiveness of a man by viewing fotos only, not knowing anything about him, is vastly different, than evaluation of the same man after having spent time with him and gotten to know him and his other, non-visible traits. Male perspective is: "all i need to know is to see a picture of her. Hell, an age is…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 07:05 AM
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Shaming a certain women for not being attracted to a certain man doesn't happen. This should tell you everything you need to know. It's single and frustrated men, who become hopeless and angry when they believe, that (in your example) 99% of men are not found attractive (which means they are part of those), and this means (also when they are brainwashed to believe that without evidence) that they will not be desired in the way they want to be desired, even in the case that they fnd a women who w…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 07:01 AM
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A 2014 Brooks et. al study found that consumption of Hollywood films and tv increases and amplifies women's preferences and selectivity for men's facial attractiveness. Yeah, PREFERENCE, not what they end up with having as mate. Thus, if you lack the analysis to understand the link between mass media consumption and sociological engineering of the masses, then this conversation cannot continue. If you don't understand human biology and evolution, you shouldn't even start to try to explain things…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 07:56 PM
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I am curious about this list.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 07:55 PM
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People matching in facial attractiveness was there millennia before any Hollywood movie or pop culture. If anything Hollywood is breaking up what nature makes us do, by letting the nerd get the hot girl in the end.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 07:07 PM
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It's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 07:04 PM
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How often did I explain that to you already? Watch hoe_math's Video on "Zones v3" von YouTube. Badboy and good guy are not on the same spectrum. They are individual scales and how where you score on each scale for a specific woman determines the relationship she can see with you. You score low on badboy, that's why all you can get is friendzone. Develop your traits that are responsible for the badboy scale. It's not confusing at all. You just refuse to acknowledge your lack of sexual attractives…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 07:02 PM
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Equal mate value. Looks are just a part of your mate value. But this results in similarity in couples. Regarding a wide variety of traits. It's delusional to just go by looks and expect that your looksmatch is your equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 06:39 PM
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That is plain wrong. Attractiveness does not even predict relationship status. Men of all ranges of attractiveness have girlfriends/wives. Displaying confidence is a turn on. What you might think about is bragging.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 02:19 PM
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Then increase your masculine traits, physical features, and most importantly confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 01:42 PM
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Bonding with someone platonically does not mean you are on their level for a romantic relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 01:40 PM
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What makes you think that you need to have many dates in short timeframe? And if that is not happening, you are rather single, sexless and miserable? How about you start out with -someone- where there is mutual attraction? If you are not attractive/not attracted to women who are as unattractive as you are, that attraction happens through "mere exposure" and "getting to know you/her", without a romantic/dating setting. Parties within social circle are luck based. Everything is luck based, even da…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 01:39 PM
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When you talk about those "men", that are angry they can't possess and control women like "they" did before, do you mean the 5% of incels, or the 70% of men who are in committed relationships currently? Or the 25% of men who are not currently but in the past, or in the future, or in casual relationships or just don't want a relationship. Do you mean CURRENTLY living men or do you include the men who where actually able to control and possess women in the past hundreds and thousands of years? How…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 12:55 PM
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Sexual inhibitions and shyness could be helped by caring, compassionate, open-minded people. But why? I am there for my enjoyment, not to help a random guy overcome his inhibitions. I already do that within my social circle. When i go to sex parties, i am there to enjoy myself. Now, you could say that i am not caring, compassionate or open minded. I am, just for a limited circle of people, not extending that to just about anyone, and independend of how wide the gap between current status and goa…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 12:37 PM
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That only applies when you think women are a monolith. Advice of women that morals are important (from their perspective/for them) is contradicted with OTHER women, picking men for short term relationships who have "bad morals". It's just a coping narrative to not have to deal with the fact that neither morality nor attractiveness are predictors for being in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 12:13 PM
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I was just going to mention Nietzsche and slave morality.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 12:09 PM
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A whole bunch of different biases are at work here. Other than that, i think Niceguys (low confidence, high agreeableness) see their lack of success (but don't realize it's due to low confidence) and compare themselves to men who do have success (high confidence), but only deal with or perceive the cases they find unfair instead of the cases, where they see dudes like themselves, regarding high agreeableness, being successful (for their confidence). They focus on the cases where high confidence,…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 12:07 PM
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Parties within your social circle, nightclubs, social clubs, sports, hobbies, etc. Man, this is a question that is posed every 5 minutes on every relationship-related sub. You cannot possibly have not come around an answer to that. Your reply of "but i don't like doing any of that, have no friends, no money, live in an area where nothing of that is possible, and don't want to drop my existing hobbies that make it nearly impossible to meet potential mates" is not an issue of "modern dating"
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 11:47 AM
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Being good at having dating success doesn't make you high value. And i should probably have added, that only being successful when you jump through hoops and are a performative clown, is obviously not fun, but also not required. Date women on your level, and you don't have to make up for your lack of mate value with "performance". Misogyny doesn't necessarily mean that you complain about women. What are you basing your knowledge on, that half of the successful men complain about women and "the s…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 11:45 AM
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So 300 cold approaches that lead nowhere. How is that "jumping through hoops" and "taking shit 24/7". So you do not have any seduction experience or even been on the path that leads to having sex with a woman. Reacting with disgust is a reaction to a threat to their status. You thinking you are on their level is an attack, because it signals to them and to the surrounding people, that you think you are on her level (which you are pretty much not), and the discrepancy of your mate values is so hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 11:35 AM
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Jumping through hoops is only required if you make up for your relative lack of mate value compared to her, with that. Date women on your mate value level and you won't have to jump through hoops. If you don't want to date women who are on your current level, increase your level. Taking crap 24/7 is equally something the women "gets" from you, in addition to your lower-than-hers mate value, to make up for the discrepancy. Date women on your level, and you will not have to take crap from her. Wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 11:31 AM
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Don't use apps then
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 05:43 PM
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So women are immune to love/emotions/bonding, but men are not. You heard it here first, guys
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 03:53 PM
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You have not understood anything about loneliness. Neither general nor romantic loneliness.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 02:21 PM
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That most men are sexually successful (making complainers a small, bitter anomaly). That obtaining sex automatically negates all critiques of the system used to obtain it. She sheer volum of posts on this sub is NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF ANY PERCENTAGE of sexless men in the general population. I cannot repeat this often enough. Looking at the data, we see that 15-20% of young men aged 18-29 are sexless in a given year. So, a minority. The crisis of loneliness is not about sex. "everyone agrees" is t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 01:27 PM
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What you call "love" is just what people are attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 01:09 PM
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When we say nice guy, we mean a guy without confidence but high agreeableness . What people often mean when they say mean guy is high confidence, low agreeableness. Makes for high short term success, low long term success. What people want long term is high confidence, high agreeableness. What we often have here is low confidence, low agreeableness. The cynical loner. Confidence is magnetic. Agreeableness is the sustainability dimension of social relationships. A nice guy hides his insecurity be…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 09:43 AM
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Being a fucking loser and depressed makes a difference. I have been through different phases in my life with the same testosterone level, yet vastly different libido and sociosexual orientation.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 09:20 AM
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What does that have to do with awareness? Tolerating behavior is very different. I am not going to tolerate the behavior of a psychopath just because I am aware of the condition.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 09:05 AM
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And what is the issue with that? Women have that much power to demand an orgasm before penetration
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 06:55 AM
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And what is the issue with that?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 06:45 AM
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This is not how any of that works. Holy fuck, the statement you quoted is not even falsifyable and doesn't make a clear statement regarding anything. You are so far removed from thinking in a way that would make you understand your error, that I will not bother to explain further.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/25 08:32 AM
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It's sad how uneducated that request is. You think you are smart but just show the opposite. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_bias
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 06:49 PM
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For what? That you are suffering from sampling bias?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 05:21 PM
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They do make it obvious. But you need to be the active part. How they react to that is how they make it obvious
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 01:53 PM
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No the scientific argument is: sample size, sampling bias, perception bias, social media algortihm
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 08:46 AM
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Can't argue with someone who is scientifically illiterate
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 08:49 PM
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Do you not understand that your personal sample of one does not allow to say anything about how common that is in the rest of the population? I can find an example of anything. Reels CAN be fiction. I didn't say that everything is fiction. But it is not representative of the larger population.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 03:17 PM
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So how did your text support that it is NOT actually a disadvantage? If anything it has pros and cons and what weighs heavier is a personal judgement
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 12:23 PM
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Chad also needs money if he wants to have a committed relationship in his 30s
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 10:39 AM
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I never said anything like that. Read the wiki article if you want to know my view of love and then argue.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 10:12 AM
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Love is a multi-part drive system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_of_romantic_love And it is conditional. If the conditions change, love ends
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 10:01 AM
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That is conditional love then. Thanks for making my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 09:50 AM
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I absolutely agree that people abuse substances to a point where it's a net negative on their lives. They also do that with food, sports, porn, religion, gaming, consumerism, and any other possible thing. But there are also ways to do that which is a net benefit for the weightings people apply for their life. Happiness is found in three aspects in life: hedonism, eudaimonia and psychological richness. Just because people can be destructive in the pursuit of happiness, doesn't mean they have to.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 09:49 AM
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Did you warm approach women of lower and lower mate value? What is the status of Our self-improvement? Where did you get to?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 09:36 AM
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Everything screams neurodivergent about him, but he denies, because his whole house of cards would come down
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 09:34 AM
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It can be fiction and it is not representative, even if it is not fiction. Do I need to explain social media to you? I thought you were a digital native.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 09:32 AM
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And how is online dating app dating working out for you, in comparison to real life approaches?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 09:30 AM
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Go for young women for what? Long term relationships? Nope. For sex? Sure, they desire young women for sex, but who really HAS sex with young women, when they are old (35+)? Swipe them on OLD? Sure. There are other factors than physical attractiveness that guide mate choice. Most men go or similarly aged women, slightly younger. Depends on age. Body count is really not a concern when deciding on an age one goes for in a mate. There are plenty of women of any age with body counts <5. Filtering by…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 03:45 PM
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This whole oppression thing is not even part of human mating or the red pill. You bring in some gender war ideology bullshit. The red pill doesn't want to change anything, it just describes what is going on, so one can adapt to be successful in the system that is there. Again, like your first sentence said: it's just seeing the truth, nothing more, nothing less. Here, from the sidebar: RP is a praxeology (a way of understanding actions in the world) that deals with Sexual Strategy. It seeks to e…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 03:39 PM
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Why would i get caught when i report something in an anonymous online survey?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 03:35 PM
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I said or believe nothing of the like.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 03:35 PM
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WHat is your evidence? Have you read the article? it's not about "believing" , there is evidence. If you reject reality, you are living in a delusion, a fantasy, and one that makes you unhappy at that. One you need to hold up against the impending reality, crashing in on you, showing you that what you assume is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 03:31 PM
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But personally I never saw a fully regulated women who works exercises and has hobbies and books 3-4 book appointments per week with different men. That is where you do not even start to comprehend what the lifestyle is about. 30 in a year, when you go to a sexclub every weekend, is like not having sex on most weekends. Then you have sex with 2-3 people in a given night. When you are single that can make is so you just have sex on 10-15 nights per year, but when you do, it's in a sexclub or simi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 03:30 PM
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If you are rejecting the junk, then why still carry all the negative connotations of the toxic nomenclature? Where do i carry that? You sound like someone wanting to get a giant swastika tattoo, arguing with me about the original Hindu meaning of the sun or something, claiming that the nazi junk isn't related to it. Fair point. But you don't believe me about the original meaning being what i am about and call me a nazi just because others have tainted the well. As long as we still have my defini…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 03:21 PM
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I am. My point is, that people use heuristics to navigate their search for a mate. Ugliness correlates with the things i mentioned and so people tend to skip the chance of finding a counter example, and rather go for the more likely chances. Attractiveness is sought after by everyone, for a reason. A very real evolutionary reason, that shaped what we call attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 03:14 PM
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You want an argument? Reels are fiction, made for entertainment, to get view and engagement, for attention, for political movements, as propaganda, for trolling, for victim status, etc. The frequency of reels you see towards one topic says nothing about it's commonness or importance, but just says something about YOU and what emotionally engages you, mostly due to anger, hate, frustration, envy, etc. negative emotions. People copy what is successful. When soemoens says something, others will do …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 03:12 PM
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Point (1) has no interaction with manipulation. "at the first red flag" is exactly what they are not going to notice, because they are being manipulated and their ability to even notice something as a red flag is waaaaay less established than in women >30. Young women end up MORE with men who are bad for them, for various reasons. A manipulator has to worry LESS about red flag detection than non-manipulator men. The manipulator is getting out of the red flag detection with manipulation. Point (2…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 03:09 PM
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Show me a homeless person that 10 random people on the street would agree are hot
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 02:36 PM
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No, i am saying reels are not evidence of anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 02:36 PM
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red pill is not an ideology. It changes and adapts, because it's about truth, as far as we understand it, and that constantly changes and adapts to new knowledge and evidence. Manosphere junk is not red pill. You can't just put the red pill label on anything. That some manosphere people put ther red pill label on them also doesn't make it red pill. Red pill is about the truth. If something is not hte truth, it's not red pill. Blue pill is not knowing the truth and staying with the explanations t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 02:35 PM
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That is red pilled. It's the truth about human mating, to which love and romantic relationships belong to. Blue pill, not knowing the truth about human mating/love, would be to believe in love being something more spiritual, deeper meaning, trancendental, following romanticism in its idealism about love. It would be more along the lines of "people are loved for who they are", unconditional love, soul mates, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 02:29 PM
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This is not about morals. I am talking about statistical tendencies that lead to a heuristic that people follow. Show me a hot homeless person.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 02:27 PM
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WHat you think about love is fake. True love is conditional. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_of_romantic_love That is love. What you have in mind is wishful thinking and idealisitc views that came up in the era of romanticism. The point of love is also explained in the article. In short: evolved mechanism to help our mating system and for parents to stick together during pregnancy and after childbirth.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 02:25 PM
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People are mentally ill while having lots or few sex partners. There are mental health issues that make people hypersexual. Some people seek out sex for ego reasons, or to compensate status anxiety, or to feel desired/worth something, to get attention if they are disregarded otherwise. Others buy luxury cars or watches for the same goal, or climb the corporate ladder, etc. Of course, people who have that may partners and go to sex parties are of a certain kind. But as i said, i think most of tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 02:23 PM
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You might want to check if you are more red pill than you think.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 12:40 PM
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How do you pick who you love? And for what do you love them specifically?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 12:39 PM
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Something i’ve started to notice is that many women tend to have high dating standards. For me personally those standards are quite unrealistic. Why? Because they often tend to be about things that we can not control at all; our height, looks, high educational level, communication and social skills, income and so on First, you have control over most of what you listed. Second, what has that to do with love? Those are requirements for a mate that lie outside of love. This is how those women limit…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 12:38 PM
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Even if women and some studies show that women aren't particularly attracted to promiscuous men (which I can believe), these men still have sex, make friends, have relationships, and so on. And so do promiscuous women. Those studies show averages, but people differ regarding promiscuity and how they view it. It's mostly captured by "sociosexual orientation". People who have lots of partners do so with with people who have lots of partners and they also commit to each other because they do not ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 12:19 PM
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If it isn't about money, why do you keep the "bux"? Then it's just a beta man in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 08:38 AM
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There is something to it, that signals similarity, a very important trait in couples, when a partner does the things you need, want, value, expect, without you having to tell them. It signals, that they will be acting in your interest, even if you don't tell them. You don't have to micromanage them, but their own interests align with yours. That is quite important. Also, it's a true signal, rather than a faked one. Imagine telling someone exactly what you need so you love them. They can then jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 07:46 AM
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reels are not evidence of anything
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 07:30 AM
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People who already “win” don’t need to explain why they win. But if they would, they would quickly be incompatible with blue pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 07:11 AM
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I do not know any losers in general, much less their views on human mating dynamics. Everyone i know, both men and women understand basic concepts about human mating that make them red pilled, rather than blue pilled. Even the feminists among the women do understand that and put in effort to increase their mate value to get access to better men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 07:09 AM
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as I already said, guys with main chicks aren't idiots to self-report cheating. B R I N G . E V I D E N C E I have a main chick and a side chick. I cheat and i would report that in a survey, just as i report that here.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 07:02 AM
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Why are educated women feminazis? The clues we have available? We can fucking ASK Ukrainians what they thing about gender roles. We do not have to deduct it from proxy values. They are humans that we can talk to. United Aram Emirates has a TFR of 1.21 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_fertility_rate It's also a country known for it's feminazis and progressive gender roles. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 07:01 AM
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Let's hope he is just defensive in the moment and the words will work their way into his brain over time.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 06:56 AM
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How do you know? Chance doesn't mean success. And your number of repetitions and the way you go about that are affecting your expected outcome.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 06:53 AM
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Self improvement IS increasing your chances that you are seen as desirable by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 09:19 PM
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It warns of a low mate value person. Something that will affect your status negatively. Something that will lend itself to lower genetic fitness on average, of potential offspring with that person. It's often as well a reflection of lifestyle and environmental circumstances that this person lives in, their socioeconomic class and family background.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 09:16 PM
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But we were not talking about the median. And it was not even possible to think I could have talked about it from the example of the side chick. It would also not work out the way you initially argued, with the median, as you have no idea about what the +1 on the man who had a gf already and the +1 on the side chick, regard sex partner count, would to to the population median for the sexes. Also, what a bad way to explain median, when you not even mention that your observations have to be ordere…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 09:03 PM
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And I tell you, that this is not how you get cheating statistics. Not by a long shot. But please, go on and explain it. I can't be the only one who is amused by your lack of understanding of sampling bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 08:42 PM
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No I only had friends and no sex until I was 19. As far as I remember, I was happy and fulfilled. Don't know how this would have played out for longer, especially since comparison makes unhappy. So I think it's no for whole life. Now that I have had as much sex as I wanted for the past 20 years, and had various levels of number and quality of friendships, I'd say that it's my social relationships that bring most joy, happiness and fulfillment to me. But most importantly, my long term romantic pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 08:39 PM
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Since when do we measure gender roles by birth rate instead of by what people think about gender roles?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 08:33 PM
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That is why nobody here ever fucking admits they have been wrong or that they are insecure about something and that is the reason they are arguing for it without any factual evidence. This is disgraceful.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 08:32 PM
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How does the table owner know what you bring to the table before years of exploring that?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 01:48 PM
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Girl, it's virtue signalling feminist values. It sells. Women want to cheer to that. It's just cleverly playing the market
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 12:22 PM
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Why are they not healthy? Why would a 9 not exclude 1-8s from their dating pool? What about "justification"?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 12:20 PM
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You said once that you think there is no difference between a friendship with sex, and a romantic relationship with sex. This shows you don't know or understand romantic relationships, as they are way different from friendships. Doesn't mean you have to want any of that. I am just saying that you come from a different place and therefore what women describe here seems of no value, but it is for other men
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 12:18 PM
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Alright, explain yourself and let everyone see you make a fool out of yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 12:14 PM
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Well, if you put so much value in the views of those men, then take it from a man married women cheat with: it's nowhere near 70% of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 12:13 PM
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So what do You think about if Your gf wife had an ex with a donkey dick and was part of a Chad's harem?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 12:10 PM
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Dude, you personal experience CANNOT conclude about the ratio of cheating to faithful women. Selection bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 09:02 AM
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Why should you have lower standards than you can afford to have?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 08:55 AM
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thanks! yes i was using posslqy. Will do the analysis again with combined variables.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 08:48 AM
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I am aware of the science on that and i do not care. It has no effect. I sometimes think about other women when i have sex with my gf, sometimes more attractive, often less attractive. It is a turn on in the moment and doesn't change anything about how attractive i find her or how much i enjoy sex with her or how much i love her, or how likely i am to break up and look for another woman. It's simply sexual fantasy and can be filled by anything. I can give her the same freedom to deal with her se…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 08:43 AM
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That is because you do not understand love and relationships. i thought you already got that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 08:34 AM
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But you said it yourself. They can afford it. If the standard is too high, they could not afford it
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 08:29 AM
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Bring evidence. Further responses without evidence are not going to get answered. That's absolutely possible, you just have to be good at stats. When all women mids fuck 8+ guys, they're fucking the same guys, which does not bring men's average up You just revealed that you are cognitively not capable to have this discussion. This clears things up. 100 women 100 men. 100 wome fuck 1 man. 99 man go sexless. average sex partners for women: 1 Average sex partner for men: (1x100 + 0x99)/100 =1 Avera…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 08:27 AM
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HAHAHA, what, dude? The best example of this is in Ukraine Modern expectations, and then you list Ukraine. Ukraine is not modern. Ukraine has gender roles that are comparable to the 1970s-1980s in the US. The majority of men believe showing signs of weakness and submission, whether at home or in public, is disgraceful. Roughly 82 per cent say that women, too, should adhere to traditional gender roles, like cooking, cleaning and caring for children. https://www.unfpa.org/news/men-ukraine-hold-fas…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 08:21 AM
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So "i don't know what is good about me and i hope you find something"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 08:04 AM
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I expect an answer that shows three things: (1) this person is reflected and understands themselves and has the vocabulary to express it (2) this person has the social experience and understanding of relationships, to know how their characteristics affect people and relationships. What about them contributes positively towards relationship satisfaction, stability, richness and growth. (3) this person has the confidence to be able to open themselves up to me, be vulnerable about who they are at t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 08:03 AM
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So when you can afford to have high standards..... they are matching your value, and it is actually men who are not up to par?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 07:30 AM
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You should know what the things you say are based on and not delude yourself into thinking that the world should change to make your status anxiety more bearable.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 05:39 AM
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So you finally give up and reveal that you have no evidence and everything is made up in your head or the head of the people you blindly follow. What people say in surveys doesn't matter for the fact that women are not having more sexual activity than men on average. That is mathematically not possible, assuming 1:1 sex ratios and a closed system.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 05:34 AM
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There are no high standards. 72% of men aged 30-45 are in committed relationships with women. And of the rest, most have also been in committed relationships with women at other points in their life than "currently". How would that be possible, if women had high standards? How is everyone able to meet high standards? Changing standards also does not require delayed gratification.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 05:29 AM
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I am trying to fight an insecurity with facts. You are good enough and your penis does not matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 05:26 AM
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Still a fact that your dating success is highly dependent on your ability to understand social cues and norms. Dating is more than that and social skills affect more than dating. You cannot get around that. I am not assuming everyone has equal access or ability. What makes You think I do? I specifically mentioned that autists will not be able to get good at that. And I said nothing else about other factors. Risk taking doesn't need to be noble. Not a requirement at all. Life isn't fair, results …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 05:24 AM
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The point stands: what is the problem of Steve's wife having fucked the guy with the big dick? If you are not super insecure about exes and dick size?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 09:12 PM
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There is no valid argument on your side. You just keep posting as if you had countered anything of what i said. You still have not addressed my core statement, that people are overall able to navigate human romantic and sexual relationships with their ability/skill to understand and apply social rules and norms, and with failing from time to time and dealing with the rejections. This is fact. It's also fact, that people who lack theses skills/abilities do greatly struggle in dating, romantic rel…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 07:17 PM
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Correct, the guy already has a main chick and one or several side chicks. He's obviously in a relationship, just not with the side chick(s). And where is your evidence for that? No, because a dude is not going to put his side chicks down lol. That is not a valid answer to what i said. A man fucks, a woman fucks. A man gets +1 sexual partners, a woman gets +1 sexual partners. The overall sexual activity for men and women stays the same. Distribution can change, but not average activity or average…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 07:03 PM
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I am all about probabilites and have said so in all of my comments. Do you have a real counter to anything i said, or is it just fucking around with semantics and deflecting with word salad? It really reads and sounds like chatgpt and the arguments are equally bad. If that is how you talk or want to continue arguing, i frankly am at the ends of what i can endure.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 07:00 PM
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You know Steve's wife as been around. You know that guy with a huge dick that's fucking all those women? Yeah she was a side piece in his haram for months right before meeting Steve... That's the type of women he's settling for haha, Steve's big dick's leftovers." Never heard anything like that in my life. And i also do not see men with huge dicks fucking all the women. Studies don't have that as well. Are you maybe imagining something here? Is that part of your insecurities?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 06:54 PM
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How does anything you say show that women are not the less aggressive sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 06:51 PM
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That mean's you're cooked, right? What next?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 06:31 PM
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Ad hominem isn’t just calling someone names, it’s dismissing an argument based on who someone is rather than addressing the logic. Exactly. I am not attacking your argument by calling you names. Also, i am not even calling you names. I am giving conditions that i suspect you have as an explanation for what you experience. I am arguing with arguments, not namecalling. So, are you autistic? Being a biologist doesn’t make you immune to logical errors in argument. Expertise in one field doesn’t auto…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 06:30 PM
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It would help men find relationships, if men actually DID increase their mate value and their social skills, the frequency they interact with women, the number of friends and social activities they do with age appropriate, mixed sexes, singles who are open to approaches. If they stopped gaming, porn, social media, living at home with their parents. If they started taking drugs like their parents did. If they took risks isntead of being anxious. If men actually were PROACTIVE about their dating l…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 06:06 PM
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No, i am NOT AT ALL doing that. Answer my question What do people tell you they think about love?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 05:59 PM
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If standards are invisible, success is based on luck, status, money, or looks, not skill Success is based on all of that AND skill. Lacking the social skill will heavily reduce your chances. Standards are not invisible. That is the whole point of social skills. They only appear invisible to the deficient one. Telling someone to “just take risks” ignores cost asymmetry. When a man misreads a signal, he risks public humiliation or reputation damage, when a woman does, the social consequences are m…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 05:57 PM
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Wait, how is a statistic about having had sex reflective of the dating market being worse? How about lifestyle changes and people just don't want to have sex or don't get into situations that facilitates having sex? There are studies on that and they identified: gaming, porn, social media dopamine loops, living at home and reduced or lack of drug use as the key factors that are responsible for this generation's lower number of sex partners/sexual activity. People are doing that to themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 05:30 PM
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Chatpgt is not going to help you here buddy. Learn to fight your battles yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 05:03 PM
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Be more successful with women? Get to 10-12% bodyfat. Get moderately muscular. Learn social skills, act more like extraverts, learn emotional intelligence skills, become more confident, learn to be a good flirt, take risks. That will make you more successful with women, guaranteed. Why are men not doing that? Because in the end, you need to do something that is not fun to most, goes against desires and requires long term thinking and delayed gratification. There are many more ways to become more…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 05:03 PM
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You say men who are in situationships are shown as "in relationship" while women are not? I mean, i would bet my firstborn on that being a lie. You will have to quote that to me. Consequently polls that measure the sexual activity show more women active and men not, and that percentage flip will outline situationships with some error. Dude, what? Women have situationships WITH men, and they both get the same sexual activity added to their genders average.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 04:55 PM
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Are you somehow reading impaired? Because i want you to understand and am willing to dumb it down. I am not believing in anything spiritual. I am a biologist and stick to the biological explanation and definition of romantic love. I am not a romantic, who sees love as idealistic. But that is the prevailing, dominant view of love in the western world since the era of romanticism, that shaped this view of love. Are you unable to understand that i know what large parts of society think about love, …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 04:52 PM
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The idea that “failing to meet an invisible standard means you’re bad at dating” is circular. The entire point of “invisible standards” is that they shift without warning, punishing men not for lacking skill, but for failing to read minds. Being unable to understand social norms, not understanding the shifting standards, is what is making someone bad at dating. The reason is this lack of this skill/ability. Other people CAN navigate the shifting invisible standards. Read about mating intelligenc…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 04:48 PM
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Cognitive overload and erosion of epistemic norms: Flooding the information space with contradictory claims, conspiracy cues, or moral outrage to exhaust analytical capacity and make emotional shortcuts dominant. Delegitimizing institutions of verification (press, academia, judiciary) to monopolize interpretive authority. 6. Ritualization and belonging: Transformation of followers into participants of a quasi-religious collective identity through chants, slogans, symbolic colors, and shared pers…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 04:31 PM
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Demagoguery is a political and psychological technique of mass manipulation through affective mobilization and cognitive simplification. Its core function is not persuasion by reason, but arousal of emotion to suspend rational scrutiny and generate collective identity through conflict. Key aspects and instruments: Emotional priming: Activation of fear, resentment, pride, or humiliation to override analytical processing. Exploitation of uncertainty or perceived threat to induce amygdala-dominant …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 04:30 PM
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Because old men understand that what is red pill currently on social media/youtube/reddit, has nothing to do with the "truth about human mating/female nature/gender dynamics/etc" but is just ideological charlatanery, circlejerking, confirmation bias, cherry picking, conservative value driven, ragebait, scapegoating, and telling inexperienced, easy to delude young men that there is nothing wrong with them, they are part of "averege men" who SHOULD have a fantastic sex and relationship life, but <…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 04:29 PM
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Why don't you approach women of lesser mate value than the ones you did approach? You obviously can't believe that a sample of 30+ women, who might have been above your league, or your approach was bad, or your confidence low, would be a good indicator that "you are just not what women want". Change your approach, improve self esteem, for example by going for women who you regard as way below your mate value, just to have a positive feedback and feel that you are desired for once.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 04:11 PM
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What do you hear from people regarding how they see love and romantic relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 04:05 PM
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you admitted there’s a narrow, invisible standard men are supposed to magically meet. That’s not clarity, that’s a trap. If you have problems meeting that standard, you are an outlier and bad at things that are crucial for dating, or a teenager and to anxious to try yourself out and learn in the process. It's not a fucking trap to need social skills and an understanding of who is of roughly your mate value. It's absolutely BASIC to humans, except the mentioned outliers who struggle with that. If…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 03:55 PM
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You can date hedonistically by being upfront about your intentions, commitment, emotional investment, etc. But i agree, an OPTIMIZED hedonistic dating strategy will deceive and manipulate to better achieve goals. What i don't get in your argument, is the talk about the boring beta she marries or the wife he puts all effort in. That is not part of hedonistic dating anymore. Same with orbiters or friendzoned guys. They have been rejected and she is not sexually or romantically dating them. They ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 03:33 PM
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Stop living in an online world where you listen to what people say on social media and just do what you want in real life. Why the fuck do you care so much about being everybodies darling? Or even assume that people tell the truth on social media, instead of virtue signalling and oppression olympics? Man, how can you be more niceguy than to refrain from approaching the people you find attractive, because you heard on the internet that some people complained about that. Women overwhelmingly react…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 02:32 PM
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"We already know the answer" and "you have to finally admit this"... what a way to think in a "be open abound changing your mind" debate forum. You are an ideologist. You have no evidence for your claims, other than other ideologists circlejerking to it. Instead, you just KNOW that all the women who tell you otherwise are LYING! The fuck man Sexual desire has very little to do with physical attraction, especially in women. You are thinking with a male perspective about this, unable to take that …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 02:23 PM
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No, it means that samples are samples. In your head, add: In our sample of the population X% of hte men reported being without a committed romantic partner. If you take 10 different samples, you get 10 different results. That is why you should never trust a single survey/study, especially not when the results seem way off of what is expected, or differ greatly from previous years. Ask 10 different people where a romantic relationship goes from casual to committed, you get a lot of different answ…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 02:18 PM
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Do you have a girlfriend? Do you want one? What does your libido make you DO regarding sexual relief? I was speaking in a general "you" way, not addressing you personally. Averages are averages.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 02:09 PM
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He admitted to me that he feels that his wife doesn't "truly" desire him because he doesn't provide, and she's not in her "feminine energy". People feel a lot of things and feelings are fleeting and not a representation of reality. Don't trust what you feel. If he doesn't talk with her about that and gets it from her mouth, I don't think that is a basis for us to discuss or him to be convinced of. Social media shows people what gets them emotionally involved, mostly negative, like insecurity, fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 01:01 PM
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I use a different dataset where I can filter for those things. https://gssdataexplorer.norc.org/
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 12:42 PM
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What you say is irrelevant. We don't have data on men or women being in situationships. All data we have counts people as single who are not in a committed romantic relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 12:40 PM
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You have to compare 21-32yo men with 18-29 yo women . Since Pew doesn't give you the relationship rate of men aged 30-32, how are you doing the math? Also, why do you include gay men in this? They tend to not want to commit in young years and just have lots of sex with different partners. You wouldn 't include them in the stats about sex partners, right? Also, a study is a sample, which has limits to how you can apply it to the general public. So, the actual relationship rate of men and women is…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 10:39 AM
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You said there are some shitty women who think they can change a man's mind. Why is that shitty?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 10:32 AM
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Please, use ChatGPT responsibly and actually read the studies that you mention, to check if ChatGPT just hallucinates what you want it to say. Example: The Adamczyk et al. 2015 study you list (if you ask chatgpt to give you the exact title, it helps to filter out the hallucinations, as you can more easily check. I had to go through 10 studies of Adamczyk from 2015. Assuming you used ChatGPT, it gave you: "Single individuals reported lower well-being than partnered individuals" While the actual s…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 10:22 AM
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I thought so too, but after limiting it to one night stands, the criticisms came with that he used me for sex. Who are you having these ONS with? I usually never see or hear again from my ONS, other than "thanks for the great night!". And especially not from others who she told anything about our ONS to.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 08:09 AM
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There was no ambiguity or uncertainty is those relationships, as you were already committed and clear about that. So not a situationship, but as you said: FWB. It's not limited to fucking. It's limiting the expectations of romantic commitment
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 07:53 AM
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Why is it shitty if you want to change someones mind about you?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 07:48 AM
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Those are just accusations that are not true. You are still a decent fuckboy. You are clear about the emotional side of things. That is the opposite of playing. If they are not capable of dealing with their side of the emotions, that is on them and not on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 07:43 AM
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Same, i was also really shocked how the casual sex experiences of the women i slept with were. Incels will say: oh it's asshole Chads who don't need to treat women good. No, the majority of those guys where far from Chads. I've seen the pictures, because i was also curious and wanted to check that hypothesis. Average dudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 07:40 AM
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Well, we were lacking a term for an interpersonal relationship that exists in the undefined space between a casual encounter and a committed partnership. Something that typically involves emotional and/or sexual intimacy but lacks clear boundaries, labels, or long-term expectations. You are just focusing on the part of situationships, that has no emotional intimacy and is just sexual. This part is functionally identical to FWB/fuckbuddies. But situationships are defined by ambiguity and not reci…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 07:31 AM
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A direct reference would be a snippet, since the survey is just a database and you have to do your own analysis with querries, that give you parts of the database, stratified and tabulated for what you want to see. https://gssdataexplorer.norc.org/ Serve yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 06:37 AM
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Show me your math
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 05:54 AM
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There is a gigantic market for that kind of love but it is not really relevant? Relevant for what?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 05:53 AM
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Studies don't ask about the age of the partner and not about situationships. This is about committed relationships/steady partners, which is what we talk about when we say "single", and bring stats for it. We don't know about all other types of casual relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 05:52 AM
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A math that includes the average age gap, so we compare the groups who are mating. You know, just like we don't compare young men with old women regarding relationship status
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 04:55 PM
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There is no study that includes situationships. ? What? A relatively large percentage of women aged 18-29 are in relationships with men who are older than 29.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 04:54 PM
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No study includes this. Work with what we have
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 04:51 PM
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Sure, that's why that kind of love makes up large percentages of media.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 04:51 PM
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General social survey of the USA
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 04:50 PM
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I want both
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 04:50 PM
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First study is about difference in short term dating between men and women, not about women's difference between short term and long term mates. Second study didn't say that this influences their mate choice. Third study: I am a fan of Geher and the mating intelligence concept. Have both books. But where is that evidence for your claims? Fourth study is just about the tradeoff being present, not about what kind of distribution women pick preferably. Every combination of Mating effort x genetic q…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 04:11 PM
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How much weight has that preference? What is the effect size?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 03:47 PM
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First, men are not a monolith. Some men care more others care less about a woman's income and career. Second, there is an overestimation of how little income and career matter for mate value in women for men. Just as there is an overestimation by women, how much income and career matter. What people SAY they prefer is not what they DO. This has been well studied and stereotypes are likely a cause of it. "i am a man and men just care about looks".. Third, i see the problem you describe more in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 03:25 PM
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that is how single is defined. The PEW study also has "committed romantic relationship", not just any romantic relationship, or lack of any partner. It was also about a lack of a stable partner. You can say the same about men. They might also just have casual relationships. Don't speculate, bring data or take the data we have as the basis for the discussions. Gen Z ARE pairing up outside their cohort as well. The math is mathing. The data does not point to unstable situationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 03:01 PM
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What are you referring to, your response doesn't connect for me
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 02:11 PM
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He is not red pilled, if red pill means knowing the truth about human mating. He is just following a differently labeled delusion about reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 12:06 PM
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For me, it's quite clear. I feel sexual attraction to a lot of women and would have casual sex with them. But very few of them register as "has potential for more than just sex". Those women, i want to not put sexual interests first with, to signal this interest and see if she also has interests besides sex with me. This categorization happens from a lot of factors: age, ethnicity, looks, language spoken, location, social class, lifestyle, political affiliation, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 11:48 AM
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No, you are the one lieing to yourself about what the alternatives to your current life would be. Read a book on it, for god's sake, if you don't believe me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 11:00 AM
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Being a good gf/wife means pulling bisexual women on nights out and luring them back into our bedroom. Everyone knows that!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 10:58 AM
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You are responsible for your sex life and that of your husband, if you are monogamous in your marriage. You can choose what it will be and if you will get the negative effects of it down the road, or the positive effects. I am just showing you possibilities. If you don't want to enjoy sex, fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 10:39 AM
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men are not a monolith. They do not take responisbility as a monolith. If you fucked something up, then you take responsibility, I only take responsibility for my own actions and if i can avoid that without consequences, i sometimes even do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 10:18 AM
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I wasn't stating that you should fuck a guy out of altruism because it will benefit you somehow. It's the guys job who wants to have sex, to get a woman to want to have sex with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 10:11 AM
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No, and there is also no problem in people having less casual sex or sex partners. It's not as what previous generations did is the gold standard. Also, if someone WANTS to have more sex, the data is in now. We know what things to do to drastically increases the chances of having new sex partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 10:09 AM
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No, she said she wouldn't have settled for just casual sex with him, she wanted more than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 08:17 AM
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A simple google search would show you that you are wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 08:10 AM
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It was not a statement of "let women do science INSTEAD of men", but "in addition to men". So you are wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 08:10 AM
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Mostly, helping the group IS of benefit to oneself. That is how altruism evolved.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 08:05 AM
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Current generation having fewer sex partners or sexual encounters has been studied. Results are in: it's gaming, living with parents, not taking enough drugs/alcohol. Go figure. My rate of having new sex partners went up dramatically when i stopped gaming and started taking drugs socially, and when i started having a nice inner city apartment of my own.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 08:03 AM
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no that is not at all what the data says.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 08:00 AM
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Stats DO show this. Where are your stats?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 08:00 AM
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And most of the men aged 18-29 are in committed relationships currently. Many more so have been or will be again. I posted the data as a comment already. Deal with that
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 07:59 AM
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<image> For the age (30-45) where settling down into committed LTR, cohabitating, marriage, building families is relevant, most men and women are in those relationships. THis is only a snapshot and doesn't mean that the 26% of men who currently were not in a LTR, are so at no point in that age bracket timeframe, or that they haven't been in LTR before. THere is nothing about the voluntarily or involuntarily singleness. From other studies we know, that about half of singles are so intentionally. …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 07:56 AM
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You should spend more time reading science on what actually happens in mating/dating, instead of basing your views on constructs you build from the ramblings of frustrated teenagers who are biased as fuck. Or from "fresh and fit" type videos with ideologically blind people pushing narratives that fit their views based on misunderstanding or willfully misusing data/science. There were a few top males with large harems and all the lower status men died without reproducing No. https://nuancepill.su…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 07:44 AM
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It is equally valuable. Value is something that you subjectively assign, so it is within your power to change it. I stimulate my girlfriend orally and digitally every time we have sex and i greatly enjoy it and think it wouldn't be enjoyable sex for me without it. Her pleasure is my pleasure and this gives both of us more joy than just penetration. I don't do it FOR her, i do it for me, because i feel good doing that, seeing her moan and twitch under my control and pressure. PiV is just one aspe…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 07:20 AM
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Yes, people are overall very stupid, not sceptic enough, unreflected, look for confirmation bias, driven by selfinterest, delusional, agreeing to "consensus" even if they actually hold other beliefs, want to fit in more than be right, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 07:13 AM
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The idealistic view of love, that people put in their heads and shape however they want. It’s love as metaphysical unity rather than as mating, lineage, or status bond. The Romantic conception detaches love from utilitarian or biological function and elevates it into a form of spiritual revelation. Central features: Transcendence of flesh: Romantic love seeks the infinite through the finite beloved. The body becomes symbol rather than object; desire is spiritualized, not denied but reinterpreted…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 07:10 AM
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No it doesn't mean that. It is a statement about relative importance, not about absolute values that are preferred. Also, going from ONE woman's preference to "women prefer thicker" is not valid. It's not even about calculating an average from all the women's preferences. Think about boob size preferences. There are men who want large, small, medium, extra large, flat chest boobs. If you averaged that, you would say: men want medium boobs. And if one man said: "i want small boobs" this doesn't m…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 07:05 AM
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it’s just the manifestation of their genes not being selected by women for casual sex. So do you think that there is a cutoff point after which the manifestation of a man's genes is just not selected for casual sex? Where does this point lie?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 06:59 AM
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Your first sentence is proof that most men won’t do it demeaningly in front of their face I think you missed you dropped your college education if you think what i do personally is proof of what men do generally. if a woman expresses her past and she was a slut or what ever and a man doesn’t like that he has every right to voice his opinion as long as it’s not demeaning to the woman This is not a topic of "having the right". It's about understanding why expressing moral judgments and insults is …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 06:57 AM
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I’m here to defend a biological fact: testosterone drives libido, and men have far more of it than women. I am a biologist and i do agree, not that science requires me to agree to make something true. Why do you think that is something you need to defend against me? Please, i use chatgpt just as much as you do, but now you are just lazily putting in our comments and giving me a reply that is just as hallucinated. Sure, it's a testable hypothesis and you need to provide the test and the result. J…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 06:50 AM
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No, are you a blind ideologue that bases his views on what some angry incels claim, or do you base your views on actual studied relationships and behavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 06:42 AM
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You are the one lacking eviedence while making claims and using "there are studies" as a way to, in your perception, win this argument. Then you block the other user, when you realize you can't win by just claiming things. How is that for a concession?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 06:35 AM
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Absolutely. Op is just trying to get a gotcha by putting suggestions out, hoping someone bites, and then twisting the words to his needs. He doesn't even answer all the comments that say things that oppose what he wants to get out of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 06:03 AM
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Yes, objectification happens every day and has a reason. We couldn't operate if we didn't objectify to reduce interactions to the part that is relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 06:01 AM
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Link the study please, I can't find it
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 05:59 AM
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There is no desirability scale and you have to be this tall to ride. It's not about genes. I thought black pill views are prohibited
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 05:58 AM
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Nope, we love it when you just want sex and discard us then
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 05:48 AM
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No, we love that. It's female projection that we don't want to be used as fuck toys and then discarded
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 05:46 AM
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The husband didn't have to court for sex but for the relationship. Courting for casual sex would be the opposite of casual. You are hinting at the view that the husband would not have gotten casual sex with her which is unfounded.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 05:44 AM
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You shouldn't do that, especially not when there are clear incentives to lie
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 05:18 PM
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No, but it's within your power to make sex about other things than just penetration. It's within your power to enjoy manula or oral stimulation and see that as equally valuable and part of sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 05:17 PM
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I need women because that is my biology as a heterosexual man with a sex drive. Romantic love (the biological one) happens without my control. Once i love a woman, that love will make me do all kinds of things, but most importantly deeply bond with her and view her as the most precious in my life next to myself. I have no choice in all of that. Evolution has made men want/need women by sexual selection and natural selection. I do not view women better or worsen than men. They are different, have…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 05:15 PM
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Sex requires more than an orgasm to be fulfilling. A partner who enjoys it, is a top priority for most men
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 05:08 PM
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It’s no secret anymore; men tend to be structurally disadvantaged in dating. I’ve recently read an article that used statistics that confirm this: the majority of young men is single, while the majority of young women is coupled. For the most up to date data, 2024 GSS, there was a higher percentage of single young women in the sample, than young men. So, is the problem solved? Where the hell are we even supposed to meet a partner, when we are ready for one for instance? If you cannot figure that…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 05:07 PM
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I am telling you, that you might lose your husband because sex with you is not fulfilling.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 04:53 PM
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Are you always that naive? Men, on average, are just as dishonest about those things as women. Less manipulative, more physically confrontative to solve their problems/get to their goals. In this case, there are clear incentives to pretend to have low standards for committed mates. Look at the data. Men don't commit to women way below them on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 04:53 PM
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I have called women a slut to their face. While having sex with them, as part of a mutual kink/dirty talk. I have called women sluts to their face as a compliment and jokingly. I have never done it as an insult. I have never met a man who wouldn't date a woman because of her past. I do not have any men with those values or those insecurities in my social circle. Other than that, i have heard teenagers and arab immigrants call women sluts in public, likely because their cultural background and so…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 04:50 PM
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People can know about someones dick size without having seen it, or if they have seen it, it doesn't have to because they have fucked him. You need to learn what logic means. You seem to have a dick size obsession and are not open to facts. Please, bring some evidence of this high importance of dick size.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 04:44 PM
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Haven't you learned yet? Don't look at what people say, look at what they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 04:39 PM
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Well, they would, if the men who reject them would be of critical mass. That is how the world works. Men do what women select for the things men want, and women do what men select for the things women want. Overall and generally. But luckily, the incels and adjacent men are tiny percentages and too uncoordinated, that nothing they threaten "society" with has the power to change something.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 04:38 PM
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Again, sorry that you are not allowing yourself to have enjoyable sex with your partner who would love to have that with you. Too bad you don't think getting help is needed. I hope your husband doesn't grow frustrated with a woman who doesn't enjoy sex. You might be surprised, but for most men, their partner's enjoyment of sex is a main thing for them that allows them to enjoy the sex. Duty sex is not fulfilling for the man. Just to keep your marriage alive, i would look into addressing your iss…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 08:11 AM
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Some people like to find solitude in assigning their lack of success to something they cannot change about themselves and which is not inherently bad, but only a problem because someone else is morally bad in not valueing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 08:08 AM
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It's not about what someone thinks about your personality. What do you even think "personality" is ,that we are talking about here, that is relevant for dating success.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 08:05 AM
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No, that is not what i was talking about. Please, read something instead of just being ideological about it. Mere exposure effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 08:04 AM
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They absolutely do care about that. They only accept lower value mates for short term sexual relationships, not for committed long term relationships. They don't have to. They can get an equal mate.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 08:03 AM
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I don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 08:02 AM
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Try someone who is not famous. Like an incel with a big dick. Changes nothing
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 08:01 AM
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That is not at all how it works.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 07:58 AM
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yeah but we are not comparing YOU to WOMEN, we are comparing MEN to WOMEN. And basing that on anecdotes everyone just makes up on the spot to support their claims, isn't getting us anywhere in a debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 07:57 AM
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You would need to bring any kind of evidence for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 07:50 AM
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There is a lot of evidence that shows how people get attracted to other they spend lots of time with and get close. Mere exposure effect. Studies show that the longer a couple knew each other before becoming a romantic couple (so friends first), the lower correlation between their attractiveness levels. IIRC, past 9 months there was no more correlation.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 06:12 PM
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The point is that most men orgasm easily from the main event during sex. And the tiny minority that doesn’t still gets pleasure if they can get their dicks hard. So you retreat your former statement and agree with me: men do enjoy and desire sex even without getting orgasms? I just don’t let him. I don’t want oral because sex is not suppoused to be about oral. That seems to be a case for your therapist then. If you restrict sex to something that doesn't pleasure you, this is a you problem and no…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 06:09 PM
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Why ask me? You have the real life evidence that unattractive people date each other. Everyone has options on their level. It's hard to get laid with someone who thinks you're ugly, but it's not hard to get laid when you are ugly. Or at least, ugly men fuck about as many women on average as attractive ones. As I said, weak correlation
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 06:03 PM
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Understandable. Would probably see it similarly. Red pill is about the truth. The truth is that attractiveness is important to determine how attractive your sex partners can be, on average. Not important to determine if you have sex, on average. You would expect to see studies that show how attractive men have way more sex partners on average than unattractive men. They don't. Believing in something else about attractiveness is not red pill but believing lies,.mostly because you want to. That is…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 06:00 PM
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We are not arguing about the men who can orgasm. So do you acknowledge that you have said something wrong about men not being into sex if they could not have orgasms? Sex is not about penetration alone. Are you under that assumption? You seem to be an angry feminist with a husband who doesn't like to stimulate you with anything but his penis in piv sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 05:56 PM
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https://nuancepill.substack.com/p/does-height-affect-mens-reproductive https://nuancepill.substack.com/p/is-inceldom-really-determined-by-mms-of-bone https://nuancepill.substack.com/p/do-looks-matter-in-dating https://nuancepill.substack.com/p/does-height-affect-mens-relationship https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886921007546 https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2024-24503-001 Attractiveness mediates how attractive your partners are, but not if you have them or don't have them…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 05:51 PM
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That is not dealing with my argument. You said: if men couldn't have orgasms, they wouldnt be into sex. I disproved you. Now what?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 05:38 PM
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That is not the important part though. It's your perception of it that counts. If you thought of yourself as a catch and acted accordingly towards women of your mate level, you could have a girlfriend. There are women with non-existent mate value. Those are your dating pool. Don't want them? So, what is the problem? You don't want someone on your level. You don't want someone on the level you can improve to. So you are happier single than with a woman you could get. Best case scenario for you. U…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 05:37 PM
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So then you must be arguing that there is no difference in the physical abilities of men and women. Can I just get you to say those exact words? No, but there seems to be an ideological issue with you that prevents you from understanding what i say. I say: the requirements of the test do not exclude any woman or man from the job, based on physiological potential ability. It only restricts men and women whose actual ability (due to untrained/overweight) is lower than the requirement. Sex does not…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 05:31 PM
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That is one of the main personality traits that predicts being single in men:. View of own mate value as low
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 05:20 PM
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You haven't dealt with my argument about men who don't/can't orgasm, still being into having sex, still having a desire for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 05:19 PM
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Please, bring a source that supports that claim. I am happy to change my view in the face of evidence
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 05:18 PM
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Well, sex partner count only weakly correlated with attractiveness. Height only weakly correlated with sex partner count. Attractiveness does not predict relationship status. Meanwhile, personality traits correlate/predict all of that to a high degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 05:17 PM
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And you should know that your personal experience does not matter in the grand scheme of things. You are one data point. Or one biased observer.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 05:14 PM
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Look at how women behave: penis size does not correlate with anything. Not single status of hetero men, not number of sex partners of hetero men, not sexual satisfaction of women. Penis size was never even something women knew before having sex with me. This alone should tell you what is and isn't important to women. If they do not even check for penis size before getting into bed, now important can it be?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 05:13 PM
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All studies point to personality being the main thing affecting dating succes. maybe stop the gaslighting about it not having any relation.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 04:25 PM
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Don't care about what?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 04:22 PM
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First, i argue that women will not be excluded because they can't pass the test based on their sex. The limits are so low, that it's a function of body composition and training status, not of biological potential. I have no idea about the body composition and training status of the american soldiers. I am not american and i haven't been to the army. I just did the 28 pushups for 20yos in half the time, as a 41yo who is currently sick at home with a cold. A woman who wants to be in a combat role …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 04:21 PM
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Great, that still is not a limit for women based on their biology and still only a training status issue. Maybe you focus on arguing why this would lead to less % of women instead of just less fatties
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 03:55 PM
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Men wouldn’t want sex if they never orgasmed from it. Based on WHAT?! It's not true just because you say it is. I just told you that i personally want to have sex even when i know i will not be able to orgasm from it. You hold beliefs just because you want to, instead of doing some research and seeing what is actually true: There are men who cannot orgasm or do so very rarely. They do not report or show no interest in sex. "The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 5th edition, …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 03:47 PM
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That IS my argument
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 03:32 PM
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Maybe because people have realized, that the requirements in the fitness test are so low, that women are not excluded for biological limitations, but also, just like men, for lack of physical fitness. 3 reps of 150 lbs deadlift is enough. 15 hand-release push-ups within 2 minutes Planking for 1:30 min Running 2 miles in less than 20 minutes Sprint/Drag/carry , carry 2x 40lbs kettle bells, drag 90 lbs for 50 meters, etc. in total less than 2:28min https://www.army.mil/e2/downloads/rv7/aft/AFT_Sco…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 03:29 PM
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That doesn't make anything they say be an RP-statement, nor right, nor is what they said a JUSTIFICATION. So you know it's trash and still do it? Absolutely. People use the reasoning to EXPLAIN their behavior, not JUSTIFY it. They still know it's wrong, they just understand why they do it depsite it being wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 02:51 PM
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threesomes: medium, as my gf also needs to be into her, but not too high, to make her feel the other woman might be a threat. FWB: really depends on what i am in it for. Right now, my fwb is so far away from a possible gf, that i do not even want to get seen with her. But i could also imagine a fwb with a girl that could also be my gf.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 02:23 PM
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I let chatgpt write my explanation, yes. Anyway, look up fresh and fit. They literally shit like a man can cheat and that you should accept it because men and women are different. A channel with a business concept of being ragebait is hardly the standard when it comes to if and what people take as a justification for cheating. All of their sphere outright says they cheat bc men and women are different. That is EXPLANATION, not JUSTIFICATION. Dude, you are really not understanding what the differ…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 01:49 PM
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How do you decide if they are dating down or not? If you say they could do better if they just improved, doesn't that mean that in their currently unimproved state, the people they date are actually their equals, rather than dating down? You assume a future, theoretically higher mate value, which would put their current partner at below them. This is not how we judge if they are currently dating down or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 10:58 AM
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Sex is not about orgasms. Please, don't be ridiculous. Men get an immensely high brain reward system output just for having a new sex partner, no orgasm required. You are reducing your own ability to enjoy sex with that limiting and false mindset. And you doing a disservice to women here. No doubt about penetration feeling meh for lots of women. That is besides the point. Sex is way more than what happens at nerve endings in the genitals.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 10:56 AM
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