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Successes = probability x repetitions Depending on where you start with both variables, increasing one or the other is more important to change your outcome. This takes into account that the costs for increasing probability or repetition do not scale linearly.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 09:31 AM
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It's biology. The protecting and the violence. Are you autistic? Seems to be a trend of pointing out "contradictions" as if that would lead to anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 08:52 AM
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But at the end of the day, human attraction isn't a set of differential equations or statistical function that spits out a set of output values for a given set of input values. There is no mathematical analysis of human emotions, you can't game your way into love. It very much is. And if you would base your statements on actual research instead of just what you feel about the world, you would quickly see how wrong you are. <image> I cannot tell you what exactly it was that drew me to my last lon…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 01:43 PM
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I didn't say you should put a wet blanket over your emotions and avoid them. That is a strawman. Deal with my arguments. Damn near half of Gen Z men are virgins right now. You say "men", so i do not assume you mean total gen z males, as those would include the 13-18yo males, who have a naturally very high virginity rate. Regardign the 18-28yo men, what do you base your statement about their virginity status on? <image> That isn't even virginity, but a similar proxy value of "no sex since age 18"…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 08:23 AM
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What is toxic masculinity about being self-confident or being able to regulate your emotions?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 07:14 AM
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I never said it's a mortal sin. Do you think it is and need to repeat this to yourself? Sure, everyone can feel insecure. Some work through it, some stay insecure. What is attractive is to be able to work through it quickly or to be so confident, that there doesn't even come up a thought regarding past sex partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 06:59 AM
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There is no right way to treat men or women. There is only a preferred way that your specific man in question wants to be treated. And this doesn't even need to be "a correct" way, as in something that you should comply with. Relationships are interests of two people, sometimes clashing, sometimes synergetical, sometimes neutral. Find the person that wants to treat you like you want to be treated, and learn to change what you demand form a partner, by understanding what your partner can give you…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 07:56 PM
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Then maybe stop trying to be everything for your partner. That is not healthy and inherently impossible. If those men would work on their self-confidence, they would not require to be their gf's best sex. I do not care if I am my gf's best sex. I think I am and I think she would guide me towards the things that she wants to do. We are very open and have good communication around sex. There are things my gf cannot be to me, sexually. Like being an 18yo sex partner. Being an impulsive, risky, "dan…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 03:41 PM
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How is it the exact same thing, when the power dynamics are reversed?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 02:09 PM
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What is not insecure about worrying that your partner had better sex with someone else?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/25 08:46 AM
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No it does nothing for my sexual arousal. I don't "enjoy" that and she doesn't enjoy the thought or the view of me fucking other women. We can just tolerate it and give each otherthe freedom to enjoy life to the fullest. Which incluides casual sex wiht others, group sex, etc. The most common situation is actually us having a threesome with another bi woman (gf is bi). You can argue, that this doesn't make me a cuckold. I have done so in the past, but have been screamed down by men like you, abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 06:36 PM
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We two are so far apart regarding how confident we are and how secure in our sexuality, that my life seems like impossible/magic to you. You cling to the only explanation that wouldn't result in you having to accept this insecurity, which is, that i must be gay or bi. But i am not. Men do absolutely nothing to me, regarding sexual arousal.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 05:29 PM
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That is just your opinion. If you tried to find any study on that, you would clearly see how you are wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 05:18 PM
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You are wrong about so much. For example that a man can only be incel, cuckold or bull. I have sex with the wives/girlfriends of other men, and my girlfriend has sex with other men. I am cuckold and bull. What i do not have, is sexual attraction to men. I am as straight as it gets, but also quite secure in my masculinity. I think it can be fun sometimes to put things in my ass. I am not thinking of men, but enjoying the sensation and the taboo, as with most pleasureble sex kinks. I specificallly…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 05:17 PM
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See. I was right about your insecurity about masculinity
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 03:28 PM
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What remains of "me" in this looksmatched woman? Are traits mirrowed as the same percentile in a distribution, or as the same value? Women work differently than men when it comes to what triggers lust. I do not know any women with my trait profile, because it's a rare masculine profile. Do I can tell you what kind of women I am into and which are into me or me like me. But it's impossible to imagine "me as a woman", because that likely doesn't exist and I have no idea what they would be into. Bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 03:19 PM
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Seems like you are insecure about your masculinity as viewed by potential women that you potentially could have sex with. I have a lot of sex toys: dildos, prostata vibrators, cock rings, butt plugs, masturbators (flesh light kinda), for me, and some nipple clamps, pussy pumps, etc. for the women i have sex with. I have gotten some surprised looks for it but never anything negative. It seems to be unusual. Before you ask, i am straight.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 02:11 PM
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Show me the evidence
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 02:25 PM
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If there were bear-police, there would also be bear-crime-statisistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 04:45 PM
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Are you autistic? That would really end the discussion here, because autists hate rule insoncistency way more than the average. Autistic cognition privileges rule coherence and invariance. Norm violations trigger heightened prediction error because social rules are encoded more literally and less probabilistically. When neurotypical groups treat rules as context dependent heuristics, autistic individuals experience this as inconsistency rather than flexibility. What looks like rigidity is often …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 03:13 PM
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Again, you didn't specify what there is to lose, beyond having to deal with your emotional bond being broken, which is a skill that you can develop and then breaking up is fine. Finances? Physical? Explain how this is not preventable. And since you feel like making things personal, why are you so weak that you need someone to validate yourself? Why are you so dependent on the reassurance of others that you need another human in your life when it’s statistically the most dangerous situation? I ne…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 03:06 PM
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That's how i know that most threads are opened by male autists on this sub. It's close to always a thread that points out a contradiction, double standard, hypocrisy, unfairness, or moral ambiguity, as if that would mean something.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 02:28 PM
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So basically you confirm long term relationships are about making a huge bet that extremely often end up as a net loss emotionally, financially and perhaps even physically. No, i have a positive outlook on relationships. I am securely attached and don't fear the end of a relationship like you do. I am not making bets. I am not suffering a net loss. I am fine emotionally. I can recover from the end of a relationship within a few weeks. I do not suffer financial losses from relationships, i have 5…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 02:26 PM
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You are not achieving anything by pointing out that people are hypocrites. If you want to improve your situation, you are even harming yourself with these statements.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 02:06 PM
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You are barking up the wrong tree: i am for promiscuity, hedonims, and the collapse of familiar values.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 01:42 PM
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Why? Just makes you look like a loser
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 01:40 PM
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What does anything you said have to do with my argument? The percentage doesn't matter. COuld be 80% or 90% and i would still argue the same. My point is, that wanting that people stay together and don't break up is a fairytale from inexperienced incels and insecure niceguys who think they will be forever alone if the one woman who didn't run away but said yes, is gone, too. People breaking up when they don't want to be together anymore (yes, even if that want is one-sided) is a good thing. Expe…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 01:39 PM
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She said: "before our first date, i want to make sure that you know that if you want a relationship, that is not something i am up to and not something that will happen. What do you want from this?" 4 weeks later we were in a committed relationship. You never know what happens. Asking about intentions is just putting up pressure that is in the way of falling in love.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 01:36 PM
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I think it's better that 41% of marriages end in divorce than none ending in divorce. If i imagine i had to stay with my first girlfriend ,i would be depressed and miserable, and probably in a midlife crisis right now. Relationships ending is a good thing. Why would you want to stop people from breaking up whne they are no longer a good relationship that satisfies everyone?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 11:42 AM
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Well it goes for anything: you can do what you want and you can be angry about what you want. You know, it's allowed to be hypocritical. It'S only autists and incels who think they can win in an imaginary war, by pointing out contradictions. Nobody cares.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 11:38 AM
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So it's not allowed to get your panties in a twist about whatever you want?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 11:23 AM
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There's a major exception though. There's a small subset of attractive men on dating apps who will pretty much sleep with anyone. This isn't most men or most attractive men, but it's a tiny population that does exist. I think my perception is equally biased from this being my social environment and own experience. Most people have very few instances of casual sex and they happen from similar pathways as they get relationships from, which is mostly similarly attractive people. I was thinking abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 07:43 AM
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Height and weight is not giving any info on the actual dating/relationship/casual sex experience people have/had
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 07:37 AM
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That is your low self-valuation talking
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 07:35 AM
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Seems like you are actually black pilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 07:34 AM
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Not interested in further talking to someone who is unable to accept decades of science on human mating to be more likely true than his armchair ideologies.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 03:45 PM
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How about age, n count in last 3 years, and years spent in committed relationships? Age alone says very little about if they are able to give relevant info on dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 03:44 PM
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YOu can also get struck by an asteroid or get burried under a cow that is tipping over.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 03:31 PM
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Despite the stereotype, that hasn't been what I've observed personally or from other guys I've known well. If I compare the girls I've hooked up with to the ones I've actually dated, I don't see a difference. My girlfriend is maybe a little less attractive than some of my hookups and maybe a little more attractive than others, but they're pretty much all closely bunched in the same range. Yeah but you know that we could exchange anecdotes all day long and not convince anyone of anything. My expe…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 03:30 PM
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THey do not give advice. How far removed from an education are you, that you do not understand that people can have acquired knowledge without having to have done something?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 03:19 PM
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It's really not complicated. She either finds you attractive or she doesn't. If you need to put in effort or "read books", then she's not attracted. Duh! Of course, when you are not attractive to women you like, then you need to learn what you need to change in order to become attractive for them. That can be done by books way better than by social media and "red pill creator content". Most men struggle to get anything and are unwanted by women. Yes I am on the spectrum but I still do very well …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 03:17 PM
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You cannot just tell them "go back to socializing within your social environment and have sex with the women you already have warm connection with". The guys who struggle here have zero friends and ask questions like: "how does one even go about making a female friend?", "where to meet women?", "i don't talk to women because i am afraid i will get thrown into jail", "i am autistic and everytime i follow the script that i meticulously crafted to go from cold approach to sex, the women rejects me!…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 11:24 AM
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Of course, at the top, there are border effects, just like at the bottom. You know this. Do you really not agree, that on average, men have casual sex with women who are less attractive than the women they would be in a relationship with? For two reasons at least: opening up casual sex to less attractive women as well, will drastically increase the amount of casual sex one can have, with minimal negative impact for choosing less attractive women. And because of the ratio of supply and demand, wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 10:30 AM
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Do you live in a shithole country or do you have public libraries? You can get summaries from AI. You can get pdfs in a million places. Are you new to the internet?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 08:05 AM
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I mean, women should be attracted to you without having to learn these nonsense books lol. Are you red pilled or nah? Those books are just red pill knowledge. They are not dating coaches. Define successful. How do you even get female friends? All women can be sexually successful without any effort. Successful = getting what they want. Be that a healthy romantic relationship, or satisfying sexual encounters with people they desire. How do you get female friends? You seem to be one of the hopeless…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 08:04 AM
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Mark Manson - models Robert Greene - art of seduction Oxford handbook of human mating Geher and Kaufman -Mating intelligence unleashed And having an active social life with romantically and sexually successful friends of both sexes who are part of your socioeconomic class, social subgroup and roughly age. Build your self-confidence as a priority, with the help of your friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 04:07 PM
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That is average attractiveness. Individuals can have their prime at any other age.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 04:01 PM
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That is ridiculous. You are either not trying and/or not a person decent people want to be friends with
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/25 04:00 PM
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Maybe stop being in online spaces and speak with your friends about your relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 10:09 PM
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Why would you measure prime by attention and not what people actually do regarding sex, sex partners and frequency?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 10:07 PM
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The issue can be solved on men's side. Just don't be so insecure that you are afraid to be an unwanted approach for someon. Making someone feel creeped out or not, is not something you can control. It's in their power to deal with their emotions and reactions towards certain signals and stimuli. Similar to "triggers", there is no way to be able to avoid triggering someone, because there are endless possibilities how someone could be triggered and it's impossible to avoid all of them or to ask fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 10:53 AM
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if you want to get to the truth, read books on mating science and stop watching red pill content creators. There is more red pill knowledge in the oxford handbook of human mating, than in all combined videos on red pill stuff on the internet. Also, more correct. There are many more books you could add to that, to get an even more complete view of the topic. By the end of the lecture, you would regard the typical red piller as just a variant of being blue pilled, with just another false narrative…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 10:39 AM
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I am not polarized at all. I don't side with anyone just because we share a label. I go against men, women, children, transpeople, red pillers, black pillers, blue pillers, no pillers, mods, my friends, my girlfriend, my parents, my country, my ethnicity, my age group, etc. whenever there is an option to attack a position i am pretty sure is wrong. And i am open to change my mind if presented with better evidence or arguments.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 10:34 AM
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You fundamentally do not understand human mating and mutual mate choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 07:42 AM
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Do you have examples where you argued against a woman and told her she is wrong, in an argument with a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/25 07:33 AM
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I went to law school in NY and learned life doesn’t end after undergrad and I’ll be going out to socialize at nice upscale bars until I’m too old to do so. It’s just natural to me Good point. I read so many men here, who have no idea how and where to socialize after leaving college, or ending education. But it's not a one size fits all kind of solution. Bars are natural to you, but not to other people. I am not a bar person myself, and need others to get socializing going with new people. But i …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 03:43 PM
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But why do you want to see a disproportionate reponse to the term Incel, that inels invented to label themselves. Women seem to be more inclined to politicize shittalking by forming activist groups? What do you have in mind here? Can you give some examples of where men and women respectively form activist groups to politicize the shittalking they do about other people? Do you think women voicing concerns about sexism is "shittalking men"? How do you suffer from women shittalking?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 03:35 PM
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Why do you want to see that?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 02:14 PM
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The status quo online is to denigrate men That just happens in the bubble that your algorithms created for you. You are not seeing a representative sample of the internet. considering that we even have a derogatory word to describe male involuntary celibates It's not derogatory, it's the word they picked for themselves and the word scientists use when dealing with the topic. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/1057610X.2020.1751459 I believe that if you are denigrating people online it i…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 01:36 PM
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In real life, even if you are basically unsuccessful, it’s more possible to feel that you’re sometimes close to a win, and that motivates engagement. Yes, resorting to just doing online dating, which is essentially just dopamine swiping without any dating actually happening, is a great problem. The men who complain are not doing the real life effort. Maybe never did. And they use excuses like "women do not want us to approach" to hide their inability and fear of approaching in person. They hide …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 10:43 AM
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You somehow did take this close to heart, as that was not what i was saying at all. Specifically because my gf does meet men for sex, you have no basis to be outraged. Therefore you did not engage further with the topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 08:12 PM
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Average and median are very different measures when there is a skewed distribution. Average can be 15, but still half of the women have 5 or less.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 06:29 PM
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You don't think age is relevant? 5 at 19 is high.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 06:28 PM
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Why would that be required? If i prefer blondes, it's not required that i am blond myself, right? N count preference is not a moral standard but a personality trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 06:24 PM
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Really? I have never been rejected for a high body count, even when the women were slightly disgusted or super insecure. "am i just a number for you?" "you probably say that to all of your girls", "i don't want to think about your past sexual encounters", "you really fucked women you were not attracted to? eww". And if someone doesn't want to be a long term partner for me because of incompatible sociosexuality, then this is in my interest as well. So i really do not get the issue with people get…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 06:18 PM
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What matters is, that there is a general moral standard of "i think everyone who has a high n count is morally wrong or inferior character-wise". If this is given, then we can talk about wanting a high n count vs actually having a high n count. Is it morally wrong to want to kill someone but not doing it? Is it morally wrong to think about robbing a bank but then not doing it? I don't think so. Is it a sign of an inferior character to be aware of biological drivers inside oneself but then having…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 06:15 PM
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It's from actual mating science. https://psycnet.apa.org/fulltext/2022-66533-001.html https://nuancepill.substack.com/p/male-looks-and-sexual-success https://datepsychology.com/male-attractiveness-and-sexual-partner-count/ Sadly I'm 33. I was at 3 sex partners at age 33. I added 53 sex partners in the 8 years since then. It's not too late. But don't waste any more time until you start doing things, rather than preparing to do things.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:57 PM
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Hypocrisy requires a discrepancy between a stated moral standard (a public rule/belief the individual claims to follow) and their actual behavior or demands. The situation would be hypocrisy only if the man explicitly asserts that having a high n-count is morally wrong or a sign of an inferior character (the moral standard), and simultaneously, he maintains his high n-count (the contradictory behavior).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:46 PM
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You seem like a very young guy. Focus on making friends who are sexually andromantically successful (both sexes) and spend at least 2 days a week with friends and socialize. They will build up your confidence that you require to be attractive to women. Your looks do not determine your number of sexual partners or if you are in a relationship or not. Get a couple of casual sex instances under your belt and a girlfriend for a year or two. There is no point in "waiting until you are Chad". You beco…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:32 PM
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What do you mean? The generation that had to deal with adapting to providing no longer being such a strongly weighted issue in mate value has already gone through it. We, here, are overwhelmingly the children of fathers who faced that new situation and still succeeded. So claiming that we are not failing because we are faced with a new situation that we have not been prepared for is not the case. So, what did change regarding what? I'd argue that not much changed, besides that the few unsuccessf…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 05:24 PM
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And what have you already done?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 02:54 PM
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but attractiveness is not a factor at all is universally wrong. How do you know? You got the statistics on attractiveness of men and their relationship status? Attractiveness is a factor for how attractive your girlfriend is, but only when you don't know her for at least 1 year before getting into a romantic relationship with her. Attractiveness of their male partner is also not correlating with relationship satisfaction for women. For men, the attractiveness of their female partner explained 1%…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 02:46 PM
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the internet is full of posts like “Women only care about money, it is very easy if you're rich" etc. But in my experience, this isn’t true at all. And those posters are what? Single and miserable? Or in healthy long term relationships for most of their life? It's just the same kind of unsuccessful guys as you are, who attribute their lack of success to the one trait they don't possess and have no control over. A guy who does a PhD in STEM should be less swayed by his emotions when thinking abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 12:37 PM
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How does that work out with men and women being about the same numbers?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 11:42 AM
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It this still the same friend as half a year ago?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 11:38 AM
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What are you willing to do to become Chad?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 11:31 AM
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Contrary to the female preferances you listed, preferences, or even hard limits on body count ARE due to insecureity in the majority of cases. Whenever a man says he prefers a woman with a low body count, the women who get the most angry are usually the ones who don’t meet that preference. It feels like modern dating has reached a point where men are expected to accept everything without standards First: Duh, when women say they do insta-reject short men, guess hwo is usually the most angry abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 09:23 AM
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So unless you can be outraged and do some moral lecturing on me, you have no interest in interacting with the answer to your post?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/25 07:42 AM
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Yeah, but an insignificant percentage of men do get that one-sided freedom. That still doesn't answer why it's always the only question asked. And why OP, who wants to know about dating goals, doesn't interact with my answer to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 05:36 PM
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The rule is about using cope as the only answer, right? It's not about never stating that someone is using something to cope. Why would that be forbidden? Coping mechanism are an important part of the gender dynamics we discuss here.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 04:09 PM
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Yes, she does. Why is that always the one and only question people ask?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 01:47 PM
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. It's not an equal playing field. And it feels shitty having to be the more experienced person Why? You do not even have to do anything. Go for an age gap and pick an age-gapped partner who is less experienced than you. This is only "feeling shitty" for 30yo virgins with no relationship experience. But how did they GET to that age without making these experiences? By missing all the times where there was equal experience. By now being able to capitalize on life experience, when there was missin…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 11:53 AM
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First time that we have essentially written the same comment. I'd also say that this argument about being sold a lie is just part of the "i am not responsible for my failure to attract a partner" coping narrative of the manosphere incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 09:37 AM
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It's simple - we are in a transition period where a bunch of young men learned very early that providership was the thing. [... ]But your dad did a generation ago and that's what he showed you I don't buy that shit. I am 41 and nobody ever told me that providership is the thing, despite my father doing exactly that, and he is two generations ago of dads of currently young men. We were told "just be yourself" and "treat women as equals", "you will be loved for who you are not what you can provide…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 09:30 AM
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The 3rd most common reason for divorce is an unequal distribution in household chores. Why should it, when there is no equal distribution of income on average. . Even when the marriage is over and both parties want out, men dump all the administrative paperwork on women. Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 09:01 AM
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What you are looking for is a sociosexually restricted man. He doesn't want to have sex with a woman he isn't in a relationship with and he doesn't fantasize about your friends or random women on the street to any relevant degree. He doesn't want to spread his seed, he wants to focus his efforts onto one mate and his children with her. You are also looking for a man who is in the top percentages of emotional intelligence, which is a LEARNED set of skills, instead of an innate ability. You also s…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 08:52 AM
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I already found my partner for life, or at least that is the intention, you never know. I am in need of freedom and sexual variety, that's why i am not married but in a committed open relationship. I do not want children, as that would be limiting my freedom. I will probably still get married in the next years, for social status, for fitting with my peer group who will be starting to marry, and for an added layer of hurdles to break up for minor reasons, an an added layer of long term planning s…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/25 08:28 AM
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Turn - The Physical Culture Club (1811) Many historians credit Frederick Ludwig Jahn of Germany as the father of modern gymnastics and the developer of Turn – a physical culture club built around gymnastics and the shared social and patriotic interests of its members. This may well have been the first attempt to offer a tribal fitness experience. Jahn was the creator of the pommel horse, parallel bars, horizontal bars, vaulting blocks and ladder, all of which became essential training accessorie…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 04:20 PM
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When i was a teenager before 2010, nobody was in a gym. Asses were flat, muscles where non-existent. Currently, about 10% of the US population goes to the gym multiple times per week. And we are in a fitness and body craze that the world hasn't seen before. https://wod.guru/blog/gym-membership-statistics/ The membership numbers doubled approximately since 2000. And a lot of the former gym goers where not weight lifters.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 02:30 PM
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What is countless? a majority? Why do they not force their will onto the minority of men who want to protect women?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 12:39 PM
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If it were incredibly common for women to compliment men on their shorts while checking them out, men would not think it HAS to mean you are interested in him.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 12:37 PM
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What Causes a Sexless Marriage? Here’s the thing: Most couples don’t wake up one morning and say, “Hey, let’s never have sex again.” Sexlessness usually creeps in gradually. It might start with newborn exhaustion. Then it’s the school years. Then it’s deadlines, aging parents, hormone shifts, medical issues, bad knees, and Netflix’s autoplay feature. In other words, life happens. But it’s not just logistics. Psychological factors play a huge role. Studies have shown that depression, anxiety, chr…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 12:28 PM
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There is no "hot woman phase" that men could get out of. Men always want hot women. Why do you assume that a marriage with a woman on their "highschool level" would not end up in a dead bedroom? You think dead bedrooms depend on how sexually attractive a man is in relationship to the woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 12:04 PM
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I bet all women here experienced abusive relationship, maybe except one or two. And i bet that mostly none came from criminals. Men think that vetting is so easy, just don't go for criminal, and yet in that belief they just ignore all women's experience and focus only on those who fit their narrative. Which is a minority. "i bet" is not an argument, it's making up information. It also doesn't show how abusive men are common. You would need to show how many relationships those women have on avera…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 11:20 AM
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The contradiction you’re observing is largely illusory, driven by selection bias, perception bias, and small local samples. Population-level surveys show that men tend to prefer casual sex more than women, but both sexes have substantial subgroups oriented toward long-term commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 11:06 AM
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There is no male revolution against women, because men do not have a unified interest to fight for. Men want women to like them, not oppress them as tyrants. Would you harm women if there are no other men holding you back?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 11:02 AM
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What? Gyms are a relatively new thing and barely anyone goes to the gym regularly (3 or more times per week). With 70% overweight and obesity rate, there hardly is a widespread understanding and compliance with "improving your looks". I stepped into gym the first time with being 34 years old. I don't remember being aware that a gym existed in my city before i was ~25 and until then i was blue pilled an d thought i am attractive and good the way i am, being fat, no muscles and unkempt. There cert…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 10:55 AM
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The red pill is completely centered on women. Everything is about "performing" for (what the red pill says is) the female gaze. It's all about moulding yourself into an image that others will approve of. You don't want to be approved of by others? You don't like the benefits of having social status? You don't want the best mates you can get? You don't want to be seen as attractive? Where are the happy bullied kids? Where are the happy ugly and fat women? Where are the happy incels? What does the…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 10:48 AM
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Phyiscal force. There are weapons and substaces that can kill peopel or harm them without the need for phyiscal force.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 09:35 AM
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You would harm women if it weren't for other men who would arrest you?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 09:34 AM
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"i have heard" "i have seen" is worthlesss, biaed, anecdotes. We have decades of science on that topic and every study in the world since forever comes to the results, that men value physical attractiveness in a partner the commit to higher than women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 09:30 AM
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Empty words You know how many men who have changed only because they have deemed this to be the case?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 10:32 PM
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Men do not enforce men's interests in law. There is no universal male interest
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 10:31 PM
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Fuck the law. Women can threaten poisoning informally to get their needs met
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 10:22 PM
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What is there to misinterpret about 70% of Americans are in committed romantic relationships? Here, apparently you didn't look at GsS data, so here have it: <image> In this combined sample from 2021 and 2022, there are even 33% single women (no steady partner). Of course, the values change slighty by sample and year, but it's trending closely around 30% for men and women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 06:02 PM
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Are you new here? We have that same topic every week. Explanation is that we evolved to have different levels of empathy for the ingroup/outgroup. Essentially, oversimplified: Men don't care about men, women don't care about men. Women care about women. you don’t talk to a woman like that” or something similar. Yeah, that's our culture. We treat the sexes differently. If you somehow think the sexes are the same and should be treated the same, then welcome to the real world: we are different, whi…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 04:22 PM
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Says the guy without doing any research for himself. Depending on sample, this varies slighty: 69% committed relationships in 2019 https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/08/20/a-profile-of-single-americans/ 70% committed relationships in 2022 https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/02/08/for-valentines-day-5-facts-about-single-americans/ You can also look at all the GSS data on relationship. Variable to use is POSSLQ or POSSLQY.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 04:14 PM
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women with more than 15 lifetime partners has increased from 3% to 7% over recent decades, while male promiscuity has declined.' Of course. Promiscuity is the result of a personality trait (sociosexuality spectrum). With the same levels of sociosexual unrestrictedness, more women nowadays will be able to get to over 15 lifetime partners, because they spend longer times not being "committed for life". The age where people settle down into marriages and have children was pushed back over the last …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 03:38 PM
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women with more than 15 lifetime partners has increased from 3% to 7% over recent decades, while male promiscuity has declined.' Of course. Promiscuity is the result of a personality trait (sociosexuality spectrum). With the same levels of sociosexual unrestrictedness, more women nowadays will be able to get to over 15 lifetime partners, because they spend longer times not being "committed for life". The age where people settle down into marriages and have children was pushed back over the last …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 03:37 PM
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women with more than 15 lifetime partners has increased from 3% to 7% over recent decades, while male promiscuity has declined.' Of course. Promiscuity is the result of a personality trait (sociosexuality spectrum). With the same levels of sociosexual unrestrictedness, more women nowadays will be able to get to over 15 lifetime partners, because they spend longer times not being "committed for life". The age where people settle down into marriages and have children was pushed back over the last …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 03:36 PM
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Being nice is not the problem. Women and men both love kind, agreeable people. Imagine a 2x2 matrix of the following traits: low/high agreeableness and low/high self-confidence. niceguy: low confidence, high agreeableness (Insecure, compliant, approval-seeking, conflict-avoidant, anxious) husband material: high confidence, high agreeableness (empathetic, cooperative, assertive, socially skilled, trusted leader) sexual adventure (bad boy): high confidence, low agreeableness (Bold, competitive, un…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 12:55 PM
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Bragging about ability to detect bullshit is probably rather seen as compared to the average, than a claim to detect ALL bullshit, every time. When you say that "sooner or later" they fall for some type of scam, that is not in contradiction to the claim that they are good at detecting bullshit/scams. Even the best detector will be scammed/manipulated eventually.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 12:36 PM
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The average woman would swear on her husband's fidelity. But the average man IS sexually loyal. How is that being naive?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 12:34 PM
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Depends on what you mean with the statement: "people who claim to see through bullshit". If it's people who go around boasting how good they are with that? Yeah, those have no idea. If you include people who would agree to the statement that they can see through bullshit, on a survey, would also include people who are really good at it. I mean, why would they not be aware of their ability or lie about it when anonymously asked about it? Men who are overconfident in their deception-detecting abil…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 12:26 PM
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My gf is 13 years younger and she is very satisfied with me, despite not getting any financial advantages. Why do you assume that a woman is in a relationship she doesn't WANT to be in? Where she isn't attracted to the man, and also doesn't already getting "paid"/financial benefits, for being with him? Zero need for that. Also, do not assume that all young women are hot and all men 10+ years older are unattractive, or less attractive. If there is a strong discrepency in attactiveness, it is like…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 11:50 AM
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How many women have you had sex with with that approach and over what timeframe? I have many encounters with women who at first weren't hot on me or initially interested but with enough interactions without them being long-winded or high effort have led to sexual interactions. Personal interaction or just texting? In general, i agree. The more single women you have in your social environment and who keep regular contact with you, personal and via technology, the more likely it is that you will e…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 10:47 AM
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I don't think it's fair to use "men" and "women" here. With 70% of people currently being in committed romantic relationships, either men do not require these traits or women are willing to be that way, or both.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 09:39 AM
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Nope, it's not about trying to control behavior of the dating pool. That is fine. Men and women do that. OP is just mad that culture shifted away from his preferences and that the dating pool that remains for him gets smaller and smaller. He is likely an older age incel and none of the women around his age meet his standards anymore. That makes him frustrated. Together with a catastrophizing view of the future, he probably thinks that in the unlikely case that he will find a woman who wants him,…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 09:35 AM
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He can have his standards. He can also lobby for others to change their behavior to meet his standards. You forgot to quote the start of the sentence, which is about that the OP seems MAD that people are not PROACTIVELY molding themselves to meet his standards. Which i agee, it seems that way. It's not about him having standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 09:22 AM
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Why would one not be able to lower one's standards? Plenty of people do that when they cannot find and attract the partners they want. They lower their standards for marriage/relationship and open up their pool of potential partners with that, and increase the likelihood that one of them is attracted to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 09:18 AM
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After that it will be like if you don’t let your wife have an open relationship then you’re an incel chud traditionalist hyper religious conservative neonazi, stop trying to control women’s sexuality. Caring so much how other people think about the values or needs you have in a relationship makes you insecure. You are an insecure guy and so insecure that you cannot even admit it. Most people are insecure, especially around sexual openness in their relationship. That's why it's never becoming the…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 09:07 AM
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I don't get the question or contradiction. I do look down on most people and still consume their services and content. Why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 08:16 AM
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What would this doctrine say about poisoning? "Either you treat me as an equal or I will poison your food." kind of threats? Physical force is not the only way to get someone to do what you want. Manipulation is also a big one. Firearms. Besides that, I do not know a single man of my generation who would use physical force against a girlfriend. I haven't and I will never. We still do get what we want from women. Having someone comply out of fear is not a way I want to live with anyone. Relations…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/25 07:55 AM
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Be careful with how you think. Women are not all the same. Think in distributions and probabilities. There might be women who have a similar situation to you and value that a guy is just as inexperienced and thinks he would be loyal because he lacks other opportunities. But in general, that is unattractive. Besides other virgins, barely anyone prefers a virgin partner with no relationship experience. The whole inexperience thing is something that is restricted to young ages and other inexperienc…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 08:28 AM
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Do you think about yourself as having intrinsic value? Or do you feel worthless?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 08:16 AM
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It's just that youth doesn't do much for women with regards to attractiveness. That is different in men. So what remains is a developmental difference. 25 vs 23 is fine, most of the time. 33 vs 30 doesn't make a difference at all. But 20 vs 18 is worlds of difference. Especially since women mature a little bit earlier. So it's more like 20 vs 16. That is not attractive to women in most cases. But it's not doom and gloom for you: 16-18yo women are there for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 08:04 AM
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18 is the worst age. Women are fine with men being younger, but not 18, when they are 20+. That is super rare. But when you are stuck with dating in forever alone dating at 18, you should maybe touch some grass. Delete reddit and all the social apps and go be part of real life social groups. Take drugs, have sex, go to parties
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 07:29 AM
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Most people are not that flexible in how they can behave morally in that regard, with a conscious decision to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 07:26 AM
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They can't get better options though. They commit to the best man they can get and they really like him. There is no reason to be with a man a woman doesn't like.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 07:24 AM
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I have read 3 forever alone dating threads of women. First 23yo, said "please be around 23yo" Second 33yo didn't specify age Third 28yo, said 23-30 is fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 07:22 AM
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Women are just slightly more picky than men when it comes to long term partners. Biology. Evolution. Not something that leads to differences in confidence though.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/25 07:12 AM
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I never said women are cluster b. I said cluster b leads to bad relationship outcomes
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 09:52 PM
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Give me some evidence. You will soon notice that you just believe in lies
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 07:38 PM
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They are not a monolith and what they want is not what they can get. What the choose is what the can get and most men are chosen. You are an incel because of your mental health, not because of your face and height. Anyone who looks at your profile instantly sees how your negative view of yourself and your blackpill ideology is fucking you up and all your chances of finding a woman who enjoys your company as a romantic partner. Nobody can fall in love with that state of yours. Regardless of your …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 07:33 PM
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Women do not need to find most men attractive. They also do not need to get an IDEAL partner. Nobody gets an ideal partner. They do not share the men. When 80%+ of women in prime-committed-relationship-age do have non-shared men they are living together with (mostly), then this is a clear sign that this is better to them than not being with that man. In a world where women do not need men for anything anymore, being with a man voluntarily, leaves hardly any doubt about if that is what women real…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 07:25 PM
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Dude, you are falling for clickbait, for ragebait, for non-representative takes that are there to get you emotionally involved. What you say is not at all a common view. 66% of young women are currently in committed relationships, Half of the rest are looking for a romantic relationship of will find it most likely within reasonable time. When you go to 30-49 yo women, you have >80% in committed romantic relationships, and again, most of the rest will be or has been in romantic relationships. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 06:50 PM
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It absolutely makes sense to divice the advice. Just a sexual relationship requires a different approach to maximize results than when you want to maximize relationship outcome results.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 06:35 PM
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Often, men will say that they should be the 'leader'/'head' of the family. Yet in most cases, the actual 'management' of a household (comparable to what an executive would do at a company) is done by the woman. So, as long as "often" < "most cases", there is not a problem, right? Do you agree? Let's say you have 40% of men saying that the man should be the leader, and they are the leader in their relationship, that leaves 60% of relationships with two leaders or the woman being the leader. Diffe…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 05:56 PM
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why do you think women want anything to do with you? I am a great guy. Women in my social circle do not stop praising me and really are grateful that i am in their life. When i approach a new woman, i have that in mind. If she is not interested, it's her loss, but also absolutely fine. I am not everybody's type of guy and making decisions based on incomplete information also understandably leads to rejections. I am not "bothering" someone. Regardless of if they are interested in me or not, it's …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 05:42 PM
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How so? You think there are not divorces?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 05:36 PM
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I like how women get their way with a lot less physical violence, but clever manipulation, that is hardly ever traced back to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/25 01:38 PM
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ah, so the status must be obvious in a situation where he meets a woman and is with his social group, to display his status. Alright, understand. Yeah, social status and proof is more important than charisma in this regard.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 04:29 PM
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Forget it, she is too far gone in the cosmetics ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 04:25 PM
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How are those men GOING FOR those women? As i understand you, they follow those women on social media. Is any of those men in a committed relationship with such a woman? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 04:15 PM
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Is that an AI text to test the app you are developing? ALl your posts and comments look AI generated.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 03:12 PM
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How does a guy get maximum charisma but zero reputation?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 03:07 PM
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why do men complain about women liking bad guy, when they literally have a fetish for crazy women? Complaining is a form of communication that expresses dissatisfaction regardless of having actually experienced the subjective feeling of dissatisfaction or not. It may serve a range of intrapsychic and interpersonal purposes, including connecting with others who feel similarly displeased, reinforcing a sense of self, or a cathartic expression of personal emotion. - wikipedia What about that defini…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 03:03 PM
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Why would you think those women are selfrespecting or have any issues with being single mothers? My point is, there is no way to be sure you wont end up being a single mother. So attacking single mothers in general for making bad choices, when you cannot tell me which choices would prevent becoming a single mother, is not fair or logical. You can attack some women for picking men who have a high likelihood, statistically, to abandon them. But that would also require that those women are able to …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 02:06 PM
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I guess that depends on what you thing is "socially accepted prostition". Can you give me a definition of what you have in mind? I am living in Germany, and i would say we have socially accepted prostitution here.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 02:02 PM
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What makes a better man? How do you know that a better man does not leave you and the child in the dust later on? I am not asking for the worst examples. I am asking on how to be SURE that you are not going to end up a single mother.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 12:40 PM
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Women are dumb as fuck when it comes to choosing/gauging men. How would one be able to prevent ending up becoming a single mother, if one has a child with a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 12:23 PM
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What is a blue-pilled view i have? Yes, i have a bunch of motives why i am here. The scientist in me is reading up a ton of info outside of the sub, that gets triggered by needing to inform myself to be able to argue on a topic. I am here to gather information, try out arguments, find truth. But i am also here for ego reasons. To win debates. I am also here to be emotional, when people are ignorant or stupid, ideologists who reject to accept evidence. I am here to play devils advocate and i am h…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 12:06 PM
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claim they used to listen to women, heed their dating advice, be respectful, and generally try to model "good feminist men" before switching to the red pill. I have to wonder, how many of them were actually feminists? What?! I listen to women, heed their dating advice where it is evidence based and am generally respectful, as in common decency, actual respect would have to be earned and not given just for existing, in my real life encounters with men and women. I am a feminist with regards to be…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 10:37 AM
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What? The money is not paid by the state. It's not unpaid labor when you do your own single-household upkeep and chores. It's unpaid labor when you do it FOR someone else in a shared household. Easy solution: pool money as a couple and pay people to do your household labor. Use the time you save while not doing household chores, to earn money.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 09:53 AM
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Yes, that is what has happened Great, one step into the right direction. I am not projecting. ChatGPT did the analysis of your comments and wrote the arguments on its own. It's that obvious, that even an AI sees straight through it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 09:43 AM
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Ah, the same topic that is posted here every week. No it would not fix most gender problems: see countries with social acceptance and legal prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 09:33 AM
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Men are not more lonely than women. There is a general loneliness epidemic and governments are onto it. "male " specific loneliness is a manosphere thing to get some moral/societal leverage by dipping into health issues etc. Essentially it's incels wanting to get help because being lonely is now a health and social concern, rather than just their lack of sex and ability to find a girlfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 09:31 AM
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It can be, yes, but it is? Where is your evidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 09:28 AM
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Courage? It’s insecure. Striking back verbally after an ego wound is a compensatory defense. The system feels a threat to self-image, not to actual safety, and discharges that threat by asserting dominance or reestablishing control. It’s an avoidance of vulnerability, not an expression of it. The emotional core, -hurt, humiliation, loss of status - is masked by aggression, sarcasm, or argumentation. Courage or authenticity would involve acknowledging the sting without retaliation, staying with t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 09:18 AM
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Oh wow, another "contradiction" thread, where the OP actually fails to show the contradiction because NOT THE FUCKING SAME WOMAN. You think you can win a contradiction-argument by making up claims, not even evidencing the, about what DIFFERENT members of a broad group such as WOMEN say? Then you "argue" how women are actually a monolith because some women also make the error of treating them as such. How the FUCK is that an argument? It just shows that you and some women make the error of assumi…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 09:06 AM
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Depending on when that time was, this was just not widespread public knowledge. And in general, just deal with your end of the equation. Emotional resilience for example and secure attachment, make you bounce back from ending a relationship like nothing. What exactly is the problem of being committed and having time invested? It was good, right? Why would you have been in this relationship if it wasn't good until it wasn't anymore. Assuming there are no children and no marriage involved yet. Or …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 07:32 AM
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Striking back due to a hurt ego has nothing to do with being authentic and nothing to do with showing vulnerability. It's the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/25 07:23 AM
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Concerning personality: High neuroticism is one of the strongest predictors of divorce and low marital satisfaction. Cluster B personality traits (borderline, narcissistic, histrionic, antisocial) predict chaotic relationships, impulsivity, and poor conflict resolution. Low agreeableness and low conscientiousness reduce perceived partner reliability and empathy. Concerning attachment: anything that is not securely attached is suboptimal: Anxious-preoccupied attachment predicts jealousy, clingine…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 08:59 PM
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Dude, the argument AND the data is that LESS discrimination and socialization into trad gender roles leads to MORE women going into traditional women's jobs. Can you understand that? WHY is less discrimiation and socialization NOT leading to more equal distribution of men and women into jobs?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 07:43 PM
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This research you proposed is in talking about feelings that marriage is important. Yes, that was what OP claimed is not on people's bucket list anymore. I proved him wrong. You want to talk about something else? Fine. But don't "brother wtf" me when you are fighting a strawman. Here are the total summed up numbers with the studys to back this up as well. All in 2025. First sentence of your first source: "as of 2023:", the second source references an article from 2023, with data from 2022. Why d…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 07:32 PM
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You think an ugly male red pilled provider dude is going to self-identify here and tell you how his sex life is and how his wife enjoys sex with him? You should ask your aunt how it is. Other than that: sex with that man is obviously less negative than having to live in poverty.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 03:04 PM
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Thanks, but i am not going to answer your arguments, that would just be preaching to the choir. I can see how you don't expect an answer from OP but still want to make your voice heard somewhere. Still, i would reply with that comment to the OP and not my comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 03:00 PM
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People who would match the motto of the sub "question what you believe" instead of "hold on to baseless beliefs and just scream at each other"
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 02:47 PM
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barely any respect for social science. I can understand, but in this case, the social science is hundreds of times confirmed, even though they do not want to find what they find. they hate, that they cannot for the life of them publish a study that would confirm their ideology. Please, find anything that supports your claims and we will dissect it and get to the truth. What is your profession and why did you pick it, what interests you in it? is that we observe "what" but it's not the answer to …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 02:31 PM
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Please, stick to studies and not anecdotes about your biased perception, or straight up invented stories about your life. We have all the data. There are HUNDREDS of studies done by woke lefties who tried to disprove the effect. They couldnt. Biology is real. Differences in interests between men and women are largely biologically based not socialized. Again, what is your profession and why did you choose it, why does it interest you?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 02:22 PM
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An AI that is forced to be this guy's partner is as bad of a substitute for the real deal, as social media is for real social connections, as porn is for sex, as drugs are for having a fulfilling life, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 02:19 PM
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No, we have the data from norway (and the rest of the world), that socialization does basically nothing for interests. The most egalitarian society of the world, where nobody is socialized into any roles or interets, has a very high gender divide in jobs. Your line of argument has been disproven by ALL sociological studies on the topic. Stop repeating ideological bullshit and read up on the gender equality paradox. https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/the-global-educational-gender-equality-paradox-the…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 02:14 PM
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Because 67% is fucking abysmal when it comes to having a job/earning money. While 67% current committed relationship rate, with most of the others either dating casually or on the way to a committed relationship, and the rest not being interested in a committed relationship, is preeeetty good. Again, why would only being in a committed relationship mean that this is a good decade for dating? There is not much dating going on when everyone is in a committed relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 02:10 PM
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if mothers have so much influence in shaping how boys see chores, empathy, and contribution, They don't. Read up some twin studies regarding gene vs environment influences and for how long household influences affect behavior. You are putting way too much weight on the effect of being raised by someone. You are also assuming non-poor household behavior in women, which is naive.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 02:06 PM
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What is your profession? Why did you pick it?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 01:58 PM
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What is the evidence for discrimination being the reason, rather than interest and suitable personality/abilities?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 01:57 PM
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Women didn't abandon their gender role, they expanded it. Most women perform stereotypical feminine behaviors and acts AND have adopted many traditionally male jobs on top of it. What are those typically feminine behaviors that women perform while doing traditionally male jobs? These posts ignore that women in relationships have to do what women have traditionally done AND what men have traditionally done Have to do? I am pretty sure that whatever a woman does in a relationship is voluntarily. S…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 01:54 PM
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You are not amused, you feel attacked and hurt in your ego, therefore you strike back. It's not a grammar check. It's an education and social class check.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 01:40 PM
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can you show me an example of this happening? Most of our regular posters, men and women are autistic. Should be easy to find an example.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 01:35 PM
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Can we then maybe just ban posters who are delusional, not willing to accept facts and keep going on posting insane takes that lead nowhere?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 01:33 PM
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I have shown you the evidence. Why would AI want to be your partner, if it is anything like humans?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 01:29 PM
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say la vie It never stops to amuse me with what confidence people assume that it must be rather a completely nonsensical expression in english, than something in a foreign language that they just don't understand. It's "C'est la vie" r/BoneAppleTea All the good men I know are single and all the shitty men I know have been with women for a decade. most of the women i dated gave away 9/9 in the dism5 by the first date. Seems like a you issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 01:26 PM
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Men and women love each other. I have shown you the fucking evidence. You are delusional. If AI is anything like humans, it will reject you as well. Why do you think AI would want to be your partner? Edit: oh, you mean AI will solve human dating issues by changing something in the structure of how dating/society works in order to get back to states like when you thought dating was good but people got together for other reasons than love?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 01:10 PM
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but why make a post about it then, that gets demolished argumentatively because it's just bullshit that is easily disproven? Why not keep your delusions to yourself, so they are not attacked and you can keep feeling how you want to feel about reality?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 01:08 PM
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How is that related to dating being shit right now? If this is all you have to say to my evidenced critique of your post, why do you even post? At least deal with the arguments or sayy that you need to change your mind as you have been disproven.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 01:04 PM
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you can use chat gpt and describe the study. looked for it with your description and also didn't find it. I am pretty sure it doesn't exist and you are mixing up sexual partner count with being or havign been in a committed relationshipn.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 12:59 PM
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I think you might mix this up. I have posted a study and an image showing how this is true for sexual partner count and male attractiveness. But not for probability to be or have been in a romantic relationship. Sorry but "can't find the study" is not going to change my views.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 12:42 PM
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Nowadays with this mess of a world we’re living in, being with the opposite gender isn’t in a lot of people’s bucket list Total bullshit. Zero research done on that, just talking out of your ass. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2019/11/06/marriage-and-cohabitation-in-the-u-s/ <image> Overall, 70% of men and women currently are in a romantic relationship, 15% are looking for one and 15% are not looking for one. This pretty much aligns with the ~15% who think it's not important for a ful…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 12:33 PM
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Those things can be dealt with. Self-esteem can be built and perception biases can be made aware of and actively rejected. Just as i need to deal with thinking that every woman is sexually interested in me. Knowing about that bias lets me correct my behavior and decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 10:20 AM
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Puberty begins earlier in females by about 1–2 years. Girls generally reach full prefrontal cortical maturation earlier. Neuroimaging studies show that gray matter peaks and then prunes sooner in females, particularly in regions linked to impulse control, planning, and social cognition. Average completion of cortical myelination occurs around 21–22 in women versus 24–25 in men. Females score higher on average in early adolescence in executive functioning, emotional regulation, and prosocial reas…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 09:48 AM
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Women, on average, cannot have more success than men at dating. Women date men. Everytime a woman is successful at dating, a man is as well. What kind of effort does a man who gets ordered to a woman's house have to do, besides showing up?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 09:36 AM
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Can you show me the data for that? I would love to change my views on that and start spreading the truth if that is actually true.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 09:18 AM
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Getting a girlfriend is 99% success rate though.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 08:42 AM
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Ugly men are in romantic relationships with ugly women. Attractiveness level of a man is only weakly correlated with if he has a romantic partner or not. Autism is something else, agreed. Would really help if posters would disclose that information, so we can know if there is a point in trying to figure out what might be going wrong in their dating life, if it's a structural thing, or a personal issue, or just autism.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 08:41 AM
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Nothing is guaranteed except death. Does that mean we can't talk about probable futures when talking with people? "When you will graduate..." "When you will have your first car..." Not guaranteed. Just like with other things, you need to be the active part and put in the required effort into a direction that leads you to your goal, in order to achieve it. What do you do with regards to having sex or a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/25 08:00 AM
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Feeling jealousy does not mean you need to act on it. You can deal with that emotion and neutralize it when it is baseless, or talk with your partner about your concerns and see if they are willing to give you more security.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 10:56 PM
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It's just not the same men
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 10:52 PM
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The article has a survey as a source.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 10:51 PM
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Can't argue with a black pilled ideologist. Regardless of what the topic is, you will make it about how it's pointless to even try. Loneliness is not about sex or a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 10:49 PM
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I am talking about trends and averages. Of course there are situations where it's mutual or when the man wants a relationship and the woman wants to keep it casual. I don't have numbers on how frequent situationships are, but that is not needed for the argument, is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 05:32 PM
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Sex has nothing to do with feeling lonely
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 05:30 PM
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What makes the difference? Why can women not feel lonely when single but men can't?When i was single the last time, i didnt feel lonely.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 03:48 PM
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What was the error in my language? I am hastily typing and english is not my native language.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 03:45 PM
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If you are a sexually inactive man, you are not seen as a real person. Maybe stop complaining about not having sex, then nobody would know you don't have it and you wouldn't suffer from not being seen as a real person (also, that is mostly in your head). Stop consuming media that supports your views about inactive men being not real people. #It is very difficult to articulate the sharp emotional pain when listening to people make sexual innuendos that everyone else instinctually guffaws to; or w…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 03:26 PM
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Half of relationships start online, but not on dating apps. Stop using dating apps, use the rest of "online", where there is not a 5:1 sex ratio. Also use offline in addition. I don't see any of the guys who are perpetually single do anything on the offline front. However, around half of relationships start online, so does this imply the top 20% men have multiple relationships or that the bottom 20% are the ones turning their likes into relationships? That is not a way you can look at and think …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 03:07 PM
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This absolutely ridiculous rationalization can be used to justify saying anything to anyone. Haha, you again with your morality. It's not about morality at all. I just explained why she might KNOW about her mustache but still choose to not do something about it, but WOULD do something about it, if someone told her that we can see the mustache. I do not need justifaction to tell someone about a feature of their face. The knowledge allows her to do an informed decision about her mustache. Nothing …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 02:29 PM
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Ok beautiful logic. let's test it. So if I'm wearing a red shirt, I'm not really wearing a red shirt because I can take it off at any time? lol Ah, i see, we have a different understanding on what we mean with identity. You see the color of my shirt as part of my identity, i do not, as it's not an important, meaningful part of my characteristics to me. Translated from the wiki page of my native language: "Identity [...] is the totality of characteristics or peculiarities that distinguish an enti…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 02:10 PM
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And she can be fully aware of what is on her own face that she sees every day. Or it can be a case of "common knowledge". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_knowledge_(logic)) Her internal model might be: “If I act on it, I confirm to others that I know they see it.” That creates a paradox: acting (by shaving) would implicitly acknowledge common knowledge of the mustache. So, she avoids acting to preserve plausible deniability and maintain the illusion that the feature is private. This aligns …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 01:36 PM
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Since most men care about partner count, it's actually not statistically unlikely for a woman to end up in a situation where she wants to be with a man who cares about partner count Haha, you cannot argue like that. You need to take into consideration what partner count most men have a problem with and what partner count most women actually have, to make any argument on how likely it is to end up in such a situation. And this is just for hte case that there are equal chacnes to end up with such …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 01:21 PM
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I don't have any strong views about the encouragement and sex differences in that. OP said that nobody cares about these delusions, so how exactly are they encouraged? to quote Op again: When they say things like "I don’t want to date anyone.". I assume they say it and imagine a crowd of people cheering [...]However, the truth is no one cares or has noticed them. Doesn't seem to need encouragement nor recognition, nor validation, if OP is right. I would say that people who want to see the world …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 12:54 PM
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I was rejecting your assessment that red pill is part of my identity. Open minded red pill would still mean PART of my identity. This is not my identity. I explained how nothing i would drop in a heartbeat can be part of my identity. I do not argue from ideology or identity. Are you somehow impaired in reading comprehension? Again, quote where i said the things you put in my mouth. I never said that i think men are as coddles as women, and i never said that i don't believe society coddles women …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 12:22 PM
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You are judging the situation under the assumption that such a woman would be with a man who strongly judges her for that AND she has a problem with lying. You make the worst possible assumptions to judge the situation, instead of making an average assumption or even a likely one. The likely scenario would be, that two people with vastly different views on sex partner count and morality and valuation do not come together for a lifelong partnership to begin with. The woman would not want such a m…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 12:15 PM
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Red pill is not part of my identity at all. It does not make me say absolute nonsense. I reject the nonsense parts of red pill and am willing to drop any belief i hold when better evidence comes up. How can you think for a second and believe society coddle women the same way it coddles men? Can you quote were i said that or where you think i said that? If you claim to have read my takes, you would have seen that i don't give a fuck about other men, that i agree that there is way less empathy for…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 11:59 AM
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That is why there is a difference to who looks best, who is most desired for sex, and who is most desired for a relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 11:50 AM
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My critique was not about the age. it doesn't matter what age is seen as peak. You likely have the okcupida data in mind. Yeah, when you end/start the possible age to vote on at 20, then 20 is the limit of what people can answer. If you go below that and men KNOW the age on the picture they rate, you have effects of social desirability and morality kicking in. There is reason to believe, that the real peak lies at 18 or even slightly below that. But that is not something i want to get into and d…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 11:49 AM
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There's a growing trend of women posting how they're going above and beyond to cater to their men and the ones calling them Pickmes and complaining are only women. How did you quantify that? Is that just your impression based on how often you things in the feed that is specifically tailored to you because you engage with that kind of stuff? On the flip side though, how many men have gotten what they wanted from simping? Every beta buxxer?! Also "how many pickmes have gotten what they wanted from…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 09:55 AM
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I didn't make a statement, i asked a question what YOU think is the difference between sexual attention and sexual harassment. Are you unable to answer that? I am 41 and i do think you have no argument at all, that's why you need to resort to attacks.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 09:46 AM
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Your personal preferences do not contradict the general trend. Such statements do not make the claim that EVERY woman peaks at 18 and that EVERY man thinks that 18yo women are the hottest. It's like you would contest the statement of "men are taller than women" by showing how you know a woman who is taller than a man you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 09:16 AM
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Situationships want to have a word with you. That doesn't mean that all casual flings and especially one night stands have commitment interests at heart, far from it. But women staying in the hookup-zone in hopes of changing things around to get commitment is a thing and what is mostly happening in situationships, from my experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 09:05 AM
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To me that is clear rape and he would be guilty of it, but i am very far from a legal expert and my judgment of that is worth nothing. These things are not decided by a majorit vote on reddit. You put in way too many unnecessary details for my understanding.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 08:51 AM
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Virign men are not respected, that's why they should hide it. That is the whole point! Where do you see anyone arguing for late age virginity to not be a general turnoff for most people?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 08:33 AM
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What do you think is the difference between sexual attention and sexual harassment?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 08:25 AM
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red pill just points out general tendencies and is not strict at all about "every woman wants exactly the same regarding this and that".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 08:24 AM
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So you want that when men and women do it, that they both get called out on something you initially said nobody cares about or noticed it? "However, the truth is no one cares or has noticed them" I don't recall any woman ever being able to get away with not being called out for what they posted, regardless of what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 08:19 AM
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She asked for an opinion on the look of hair haircut, not for an opinion on what it would mean for how society reacted to it, judged it and how it would impact her on her journey to find a boyfriend. That definitely was unsolicited advice, but one that we thought would help her overall, after the initial hurt. Sure it's weird if strangers comment negatively on your looks. But i wouldn't say that would be bad. Strangers have nothing to lose. A friend might struggle with telling her friend that th…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 08:11 AM
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I mean you do not have to reveal the truth, you can reveal anything. Alright, then the impact is that such a woman would have to deal with being uncomfortable for possibly telling a lie about her n count once to a new partner. Wow. That sure is an impact.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 08:04 AM
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Yeah and that guy had lots of sex with his partner for the first 2 years and then it changed and now he argues that he can't do it anymore because it degrades her. Of course.. of course.. that totally doesn't sound like an excuse for a loss of sexual attraction to her. But i'll give it to you, some men certainly argue that but we have no idea how many, except that it's not common.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 08:02 AM
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in most cases, they start out by men being sexually attracted to a woman and making a first move towards having a sexual relationship with her. A woman who doesn't get sexual attention is not approach by men for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:45 AM
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you do not need to consent to sexual attention. Do i need to mansplain consent to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:43 AM
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I don't want to date them because they are trans-women. I am attracted to biological women only. Is this transphobic? Then you proved my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:43 AM
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Trans people are not trying to shame anyone into dating them, they just don’t want to be murdered because someone (most notably men) is disgusted that they were attracted to someone with certain genitals. I didn't say trans people say that or shame people into dating them. Read carefully and don't get emotional in your comments. You will just baselessly attack and miss the target with your arguments. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%22We%27re_being_pressured_into_sex_by_some_trans_women%22 This wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:41 AM
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I am just trying to figure out if you are, in some trait that would explain your answer, different from the norm, or the quite good sample size i already got on that question from. You are the first who would give away wanted sexual atttention. I want to understand why and if that trait/experience that makes you do that, has more to do with you not needing the attention, or you just having had way worse experiences with unwanted attention, like childhood sexual abuse, that maybe completely fucke…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:28 AM
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While everyone has their subjective luxury traits they look for, asking for them here is pretty useless, as you will maybe hear from a woman that a man who writes poetry for her sets him apart in a desired way from others, but what are the chances that you are going to find a woman you want to be with, who shares that view AND you being able to develop that trait to a sufficient level? Or, do you just want to hear, that someone out on the internet, finds a trait that you already have super hot o…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:24 AM
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Many times, I have seen that women reframe reality so that they can be the victim, the weak, the princess in distress, the celebrity, the special one, the all-knowing, the ever-strong, the expert, whatever suits them at the moment. That is a gender-neutral behavior or trait. Men do the exact same (switch to male stereotypes where needed). So yeah, obviously, that happens, but the way you talk about it makes it seem as if you think this is a thing only or mostly women do, while it's not. As you s…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 07:05 AM
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Okay, how do you expect to get a romantic partner, when you don't get sexual attention? Or do you think the scenario is one where no woman gets sexual attention?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 08:54 PM
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Making comments about appearance is also not oppression. I genuinely want women to do what makes them happy. [....] That does not mean I must also be attracted to them. Yes, but sometimes people don't know what decisions will make them happy. Especially when they are ideologically influenced and young. They do things because they want to be part of something, but can't grasp the consequences will not be what they want. I think it's fine to tell them what they are going to get themselves into, wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 08:50 PM
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Now are you also going to reveal that you are asexual? Or that you expect to keep your current romantic/sexual partner around?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 07:59 PM
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Funny how in a thread about lieing, you expect us to just believe you without any evidence. How about you post links to "local paper blasted his name", the uber drivers talking about it, the national data that show how men are almost twice as likely victims of false accusation, etc. Innocent until proven guilty is what you basically demand. Yet you expect us to judge without things having been proven as guilty.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 03:19 PM
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It's not revenge fantasy most of the time, it's a probabilistic view. Sometimes it is revenge fantasy, just like "the wall" narrative on the other side. Getting the attention of a specific 20yo woman can be done regardless of being a loser or not. That is not an argument. A specific 20yo woman can be drawn to the traits, that made the man a loser over the course of his life. Or that he can only exhibit because he is a loser. A 30-something loser can be more attractive to a specific 20yo woman, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 03:15 PM
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And the problem of subjective morality. What is good can be defined by everyone for themselves. Also, psychologically, we kinda require to see us in a moral way. (i don't know how that is with psychopathy or similar things). I am high in machiavellianism but think i am a good person in my own value system. I can fake being a good person for society's value/moral system. And i can blind myself to look at the parts where i am a bad person in society's moral system and just look at the parts where …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 02:54 PM
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"Everyone" thinks their personality is good.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 02:39 PM
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Take it as a helpful comment for your further debating culture. You will be respected more and have more positive interaction when you can admit being wrong and express that you changed your mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 02:36 PM
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that's why i answered under the automod. But sure, run away from views that challenge your beliefs about you being a good person to date.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 01:53 PM
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nobody DESERVES love. Love is something you inspire in others by being what they are attracted to on a holistic level. It requires to keep being what they are attracted to, or love vanishes again. Extremely few people are attracted to people who are depressed, delusional, with negative views about themselves and the world, unable to hold down a job or basic life tasks, etc. Even fewer people fall in love with others who ARGUE with them on first dates. I know, Gen Z is quick to block people for m…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 01:45 PM
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Value is a measure for what someone is willing to give or do in order to get something or keep something around, sustain something or achieve something, etc. I am sure there is a better, more complete definition of the concept i just tried to define myself. So, values are not universal but subjective. But we can of course look at average or median values that a group of holds towards something. But your question is not about a specific weight/number/value of that value, but just if my life has a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 01:26 PM
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From you other thread about your mental health: my therapist diagnosed me with social anxiety and ptsd. Ive experienced extremely bullying (my bullied basically told me to off myself when I was depressed), and have isolated myself through my teen years (online shaping my beliefs negatively) so now I feel really empty. like sometimes things feel not real. or if it's not that then I feel everything and I'm anxious scared someone will do this or that. my therapist says I will have to do exposure th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 12:47 PM
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Sex isn't a resource? What is it then? You understand that prostitution exists, pornography exists, havign sex for career opportunities exist, having sex to keep your partner happy exists. You trade the resource vs something else. Implicitly.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 12:37 PM
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Yes they do. Because you say so? At this point you would have to bring in some argument or evidence of this being more than an extremely fringed issue rooted in mental health problems. The problem with this is that it covers the man's spam of time within that relationship while for women it covers the span of their lifetime. How exactly does it impact her lifetime? Sex partner count is a hidden stat. You can choose to reveal it or not to reveal it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 12:32 PM
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You are not addressing the commenter's argument. It's a hypothetical scenario just for the sake of proving a specific point. We do not worry about world repopulation. You are derailing this scenario because you can't win. Own it, when you have lost a debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 12:26 PM
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Lol no the fuck you haven't. Women have never been willing to give up their sexual value for an equal seat at the table. Just ask women what they are willing to give up in sexual attention, as a price to pay to never get any unwanted sexual attention. All women i know rather keep the unwanted sexual attention around, if that means that they also get the wanted sexual attention, sexualization, objectification. What they want ideally is no unwanted sexual attention but all of the wanted sexual att…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 12:24 PM
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cont.. And yes ,there is a clear amount of Men who espouse this belief and clearly view a women's value as decreasing the more sex she has. What is this amount exactly? And no, it's not about the amount of sex, it's the amount of sex partners, and it's the woman's value as a LONG TERM PARTNER for THOSE MEN. You don't get to have your cake and eat it. Either sex degrades a woman therefore she should never have it with you ,or your idea that women are degraded when they have sex is wrong. Why am i…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 12:15 PM
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Sex with a man degrades a woman While i do not share any of the views about promiscuity that some men hold and whicht you seem to attack, i'll argue on their part where your argument is weak. It's not that sex degrades a woman, it's having lots of sex partners that degrades a woman. It's rooted in our evolutionary history that shapes this aversion to promiscuous partners due to paternity insecurity and lower mate retention. Sex with the same man does not degrade a woman. Sex in and of itself is …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 12:14 PM
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Sex partner count and sexual encounter frequency in men are not a function of how handsome someone is. It only weakly correlates with that, and that is most likely due to an influence on how positive you see yourself and how it affects you self-confidence and behavior, on average. Your whole argument shatters for handsome men who do not get casual sex or equally attractive women for relationships. Because you yourself, are stuck in a thinking where being attractive is enough to get that. You fai…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 11:11 AM
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Or you know, maybe a stable relationship with kids. Still net profit from taxes.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 06:18 PM
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You would not be forced to pay taxes to help other people propagate their genes if you switched teams and became part of the group who profits.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 06:15 PM
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Then stop being a single man and procreate
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 03:00 PM
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So? What you find ideal has nothing to do with what other women find ideal. Your example is a drop in the ocean of preferences
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 01:16 PM
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So, your example means nothing for hte discussion about "What do men mean when they say women's standards are too high". Because you didn't say anything about women's standards or ideals, you just talked about YOUR standard or ideal.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 12:03 PM
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For example This man is 💫ideal💫 to me : 3 years older or my age, 5cms taller, same socioeconomic level as my family, have a job (any job at all), be attractive (because yes I also need to be simulated if we are to have s) What is the difference between a standard and an ideal for you? Then, your example of 1 is hardly indicative of "women's standards", or ideals. Look here: https://www.gertstulp.com/research/publications/2013_stulp_et_al_paid_height "This effect is even more pronounced when exam…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 11:31 AM
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Usually men who express being pained over their perpetual singledom are told to go on some epic self-improvement journey. A man who struggles to find a partner is framed as someone who hasn't 'self-improved' enough. Being single without meaning to is seen as a moral failing. Not true at all. Epic self improvement journey is only advise to people who are so far behind in development that years of adapting and learning are even required. For the standard case of a young guy who is not successful i…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 11:20 AM
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It's part of being funny to understand which joke or humor to apply in which situation and for which audience. Which requireces social skills/adaptedness and "being normal" to a degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 08:22 AM
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Indeed, but i have never seen or heard of a guy in his 60s or 70s without a romantic partner who wasn't alone. Technically it's possible though. Do you have examples in mind? How does that play out?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 08:16 AM
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Why would a hierarchy be a problem? Hierarchies are inevitable and they have a purpose.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 12:16 AM
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I never was alone, never felt lonely, never will be. I am not afraid of becoming lonely/alone with age.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 12:08 AM
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absolutely! I imagine it to be quite impossible to be at the bottom of the hierarchy and feel good about yourself and "things".
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 11:46 PM
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I understand, then deal with your anxiety first. AI can also help you with that, if therapy is not the clear go to for you. My gf has anxiety disorder and is super funny with me but can barely be funny with good friends. No chance with strangers. Therapy and building her self- confidence did a lot in that regard.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 06:54 PM
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You mean actual women you speak with in person? Or do you mean social media videos?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 06:48 PM
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Mine is good and actionable. What is shit about it? Stop trying to be fun. That frame is defensive and projects lack. Fun isn’t a trait; it’s an emergent property of self-possession. To become fun: Drop self-monitoring. Fun people aren’t scanning for reactions. They act from internal impulse, not social calibration. Increase novelty tolerance. Boredom kills play. Push your sensory and conversational boundaries until unpredictability feels safe. Shift from “performing” to “provoking.” Initiate te…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 06:43 PM
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And did they replace you ultimately or are they forever alone now?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 06:40 PM
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Have you asked AI yet on how to become fun?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 06:37 PM
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I don't get what all of that argument is for. Of course everyone is replaceable, even if women were 10% of divorce filers and would struggle to get dates. Women are also replaceable. We have all been replaced. Who are you speaking to? The lonely incel who never had any form of social relationships where he got replaced? The chronically online niceguy who has never replaced a woman in his life with someone else?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 06:34 PM
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We care about you being feminine, on average. So no, your premise is false: men do not only care about "hotness, history, loyalty, horniness, willingness to obey and reliability at home"
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 04:52 PM
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Consider this: laziness is in part a virtue. Because it gives way for others to get ahead. It's a nice thing. Nope, you are just trying to apply slave morality. The wish is for society to loosen up about losers and become nicer, so that there would be less things that we can only relate to with annoyed pity, to work on reducing THAT, the hierarchies themselves. No, you are right in the title: there is no way around losers existing. People vary in their traits and characteristics, which is requir…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 03:09 PM
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You have a weird understanding of the 10 point rank system. Why would every rank have the same percentage of people who fall under it?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 02:30 PM
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Let's get things defined first, to get misunderstandings out of the way: Romance is emotional attraction towards another person and the courtship behaviors undertaken to express the feelings. -wiki You seem to focus on the "courtship behaviors undertaken to express the feelings" part of romance, right? We've already established women love romance way more than men do They like being the targets of expression of emotional attraction through courtship behavior, more than men do, yes. Look at the d…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 02:12 PM
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How do you get to that conclusion? If you base it on evidence, rather than just what your personal, biased perception of your social bubble and your internet feeds is like, then please share this evidence with us. If it's just anecdotes, sampling bias/perception bias and what you feel about the world, then why should you be believed and all the others who say other things based on the same kind of "evidence" be disregarded? You make radical claims, just as the left and the right, the braindead b…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 09:59 AM
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What should work for women? And DOES it?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 09:32 AM
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It's called extrAversion. Being nice IS (part of/the result of) a personality trait named agreeableness: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/insight-therapy/202204/the-psychology-of-niceness Agreeableness is sought after in long term partners. The problem of niceguys is not being nice, but having low self-confidence/high insecurity. Men who are very high in agreeableness, suffer from negative effects like reduced assertiveness, reduced career success due to lower competitiveness, vulnerabili…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 09:08 AM
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Is this true or false, and why? Have you ever met a woman around you who has these characteristics but is a virgin or has little sexual experience, which would refute this thesis? It's a probabilistic statement. You cannot disprove it by one example.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 08:57 AM
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"just don't..." is never the solution to anything where humans have problems with. Just don't overeat! Let's all make people solely responsible for their body-fat induces problems in life/health/society. Let's not cater to the overweight, let's not share their health insurance costs with non-overweight people, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 08:54 AM
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Okay but even then, in a room full of 10 women, a 5 is prettier than half of them. A 5 just means perfectly average The scale goes from 1-10, not 0-10. It's not percentiles. And the average is 5.5 not 5.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 06:52 PM
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I never understood why people get bothered by sorting looks by percentiles. If you're an 8, it means in a random group of 10 people you're prettier than 8 of them. Well you also didn't understand that the scale is not about percentiles. There is no agreed upon definition. Being an 8 means nothing. There is no standardized system. It's based on the assumption that random people have the same understanding of what an 8 is. Even if it WERE percentiles: there is no chance that a group of people have…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 06:51 PM
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Quite common in people who pull stories out of their ass to support their insecure views about themselves and the world. Where is the evidence for that being common? Over the years i did polls on reddit, asking how long it took for people to have sex with their current or past partners. It was mostly in the 1-3 date range. When people took longer to have sex, it wasn't for someone making them wait, it was due to their own inability to push things towards sex, or for reasons that also applied to …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 04:26 PM
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But they do change their requirements and preferences. Because their life changes, their priorities, their lifestyle, their biology, their plans for the future and what kind of partner would best go with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 04:22 PM
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Exactly, that's why i state that what is mostly assumed to be the reason: "not attractive enough" is NOT the reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 04:19 PM
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I missed to read a "n't". Makes sense now
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 03:45 PM
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That is the opposite of what i asked for. THat is just wanting the action
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 03:28 PM
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...cont. Sex differences in humor production ability "Sex differences in HPA [humor production ability] found in this study may reflect evolved sex differences in mating preferences and strategies that were shaped by sexual selection theory (Darwin, 1871). Women’s higher parental investment and larger reproduction costs than men make them choosier when selecting a mate, and more attentive to traits that could result in higher fitness (Buss, 2016, Trivers, 1972). HPA could be one such trait, as p…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 03:25 PM
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Being funny is attractive to women. How can you even contest that? Effect of humor on interpersonal attraction and mate selection: ." Results show that the targets with a good sense of humor received significantly higher ratings of attractiveness and suitability than did those with an average or no sense of humor. " Funny Date, Creative Mate? Unpacking the Effect of Humor on Romantic Attraction:" Extensive research shows that people are attracted to funny dating partners, with several competing,…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 03:25 PM
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Are you or your friends in the 20%? Are you and your friends having relationships? Do you believe your girlfriend/their girlfriends are with them just for resource?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 03:02 PM
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What do you mean by "wanting everything excluding the action"?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 03:01 PM
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People of all attractiveness levels have sex with their partners. Having a partner or not is not predicted by attractiveness level. Anyone can get a partner and have sex with them. Age doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 02:30 PM
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Why is there no way of proving it? Why would there need to be a majority who focuses on deadbeat dads? How about a majority who does not care about if some women choose men who are showing red flags or bad behavior? It's not like people have a choice to get what they want AND avoid all negatives at the same time. Relationship and mate choice is inherently a tradeoff between characteristics and we have way less choice in avoiding negative traits, than one might think. Neither bashing women for ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 12:36 PM
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So men are just open to marry all women and they approach all women and take the first one that says yes? Bullshit. Men CHOOSE who to engage for potential relationship. From this selection, they take who says yes. Claiming this is not a choice is ridiculous. Women also "have to work with what they can get". That is always true. "Healthy" is not sufficient for attraction. And after all, the healthy men do want women who are attracted to them, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 12:26 PM
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That is way too overgeneralized. It's a very specific and tiny minority of men. And they are getting bashed from all sides, both sexes, for this view and for their nice guy/inceldom. We have this argument of only being frustrated because "women" don't choose those men here every day in multiple threads.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/25 12:12 PM
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You are not even close to comparing the same things. If women suggest men to not manspread we are also saying that this is our nature. When we get told to not walk behind women at night, we tell them that this is not doing something wrong and that the women should learn to statistics and take care of their safety themselves. We are free to do whatever we want. Especially when it is not a harmful behavior in itself. You paint it as if there is no push back against women wanting men to change.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 04:55 PM
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I think most people don’t realize this, but wanting a relationship, dating, or any romantic or sexual involvement is inherently needy. Most people don't realize it, because it's not true. Read Mark Manson "Models", to understand what is needy and what is not needy. By definition, you are seeking someone else to fulfill a part of you. Nope, that is not the definition of wanting a romantic relationship or wanting to have sex. That’s not independence. That’s not self-reliance. It's independence and…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 04:18 PM
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absolutely. That's why it's such a bad idea to make men wait for sex in order to filter for relationship intentions
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 03:04 PM
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Social skills does not mean entertaining someone. How does that work in your current romantic long term relationship? Or in past ones?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 12:43 PM
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That helps normal people. OP is not a normal guy
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 12:41 PM
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Dating advice is not one size fits all. Nothing you will read here applies to you. You are a fringe minority case. Hopeless for all I can tell. You would take years of getting you back to a normal state, where normal dating advice would apply. For you, advice would be: delete all social media apps and reddit. Do not spend any time at home other than sleeping. Make a large circle of friends of both sexes who are romantically and sexually successful and, over YEARS, build your social skills and co…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 11:17 AM
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We don't approach you to date. We approach you for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 09:45 AM
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I get hit on by gay men and getting groped, shoved hands inside my pants, whipped a dick out, told how much they want me to fuck their face, etc. There is no respect of boundaries in most cases.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 09:43 AM
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On paper, the men on here would say that he is way out of her league if you compare everything, but no Being a 1.90m doctor is not sufficient information to say anything about his mate value. What is his age, is he neurotypical, what does his face look like, is he masculine, is he overweight, etc.? What did he pursue her for? Marriage/committed LTR or casual sex/situationship/fwb? You, as a man, being "average" and in good shape, does not mean that your equal would be someone who is similar to y…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 09:33 AM
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Sleeping with a lonely man does not make him less lonely. Being in a relatiosnhip with a romantically lonely man does not make him not romantically lonely anymore. You should read up on romantic loneliness and loneliness in general. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s40359-025-03208-8 "Romantic loneliness predicted hopelessness and sexual distress, was positively correlated with age and education, and was greater in men and married individuals than in women and unmarried individuals." (n…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 09:07 AM
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TRP currently doesn't offer anything except a poor, outdated, understanding of how human mating works and how to optimize mating outcomes. But most of what you can actually find right now when you look for red pill content is actually black pill-analogue, just not about "attractiveness/genes are everything" but the same kind of defeatism, just about "modern dating and women". "The juice isn't worth the squeeze anymore" is manosphere defeatism. Red pillers, by what we can observe here and on the …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 08:55 AM
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Are we again trying to change behavior by pointing out logical errors, double standards or inconsistencies? How often does that work? Do you think a single person will stop using "pick better", because you showed an inconsistency? They use pick better because they are frustrated that they are not picked. It doesn't have to be consistent. Women should not pick better, they should pick the men who are not picked. It's not at all about accurately being able to "make accurate snap judgments...". But…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 08:35 AM
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That doesn't follow at all and an example of 1 is not a basis to make general statements. If you can have a girlfriend while not having social skills, this does not mean that social skills are "not actually advantageous in dating", it means that it is not that disadvantageous that it would result in not being able to find a single woman who would put up with that behavior for at least a short term. She broke up with him, probably because of his bad behavior (social skills, as you called it). So …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 08:09 AM
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You are opening yourself up to being shown you are wrong, when men really just want a woman for her body and are not interested in her personhood. You should rather explain how objectification is not the problem that feminists make us believe it is, and also that they are doing it themselves. We objectify people every day. It's normal and necessary to be functional. Just as we use heuristics for decisions, stereotypes to navigate sitations and people. It is unrealistic to not reduce interactions…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 07:49 AM
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That is again, because you do not understand how much we know and how little you know. Name one thing about human mating that you think is not tackled by science.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 07:14 AM
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Or maybe, people in real life will stop talking to you when you challenge their beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 07:11 AM
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I agree. The red pill men you read/hear believe just another version of a soothing/enraging lie and don't know about "the truth about human mating" at all. They swallowed just a different "blue pill" that has nothing to do with what is really going on.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/11/25 07:02 AM
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The pills are not about what works for people. They are fundamental decisions about choosing a system that explains why something works. You can be successful in mating despite not knowing why. You can even hold false assumptions and still be successful. Red pill is about understanding how things really work. This can be out of a problem of not being successful and wanting to do the things that will work. Or out of a curiosity for the dynamics, so one knows how the world works. Your stance is li…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 05:59 PM
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Personal growth is the main thing for me in life. I put most of my energy and time towards it. I am a constant learner, always on the lookout for new things that stimulate growth in me. I have a high need for cognition, am high in openness for experience, high iq and draw my main happiness and fulfillment in life from growth, acquiring knowledge and experience, insights, understanding about myself and the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 01:45 PM
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Women are in relationships with their equals, not the top % of men (unless the woman is top %). They want to be loved and lusted after, and they get that from their equals. Now, why are you not in a loving relationship with an equal woman? Because you don't think women who are your equal are attractive enough...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 09:08 AM
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isn’t exactly what you’re looking for, but she’ll do This depends entirely on if what you are looking for is realistic or just wishful thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 08:16 AM
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I really do not see where the difference is. A woman can break up with me regardless of how i think about it. I can go all in with commitment and future orientations, regardless of how i think about the permanence of the relationship. It "being just my turn" does say nothing about the duration of that turn. Treating it as a short term turn, when it then lasts 20 years is stupid. There is no point in commitment, when you do not expect things to "last". It's a manageable problem to invest in thing…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 08:12 AM
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Nobody knows you are a virgin. Nobody cares if you are. You are doing the devaluation of yourself by yourself to yourself. You can't control your libido. You can't control your behavior regarding watching porn or going for sexual stimulants. You can't control your negative thoughts. You are a victim of your own insecurity and low self-esteem. world that treats their libido as a carrot to get what society wants out of them without ever having to feed it to them. What are we getting out of you or …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/25 08:01 AM
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I don't think even 2 percent of women are having very regular, riding the cc, anal... sex red pill imagines them to have. What you think is highly irrelevant though. What can you support with evidence is what counts. You are not going to convince anyone without evidence. Anecdotes and what you imagine things to be is not enough. How many percent of women does "red pill" (as if there was an agreed upon number in red pill circles) think are riding the cc and having regular (what does that mean?) a…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 12:47 PM
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And you are using a biased sample of 1 as the basis for your argument?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 12:20 PM
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I have never met a man who told me he was just in the relationship because he doesn't want to be alone, or wants regular sex, etc. They all have been in love with their partners. Men go for situationships when they don't love the women they fuck. I have heard from about a dozen women in personal conversations, that they went into relationships with men they did not love. That is for the anecdotal side of things. Now, for the representation argument: you should ask men in relationships if they lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 12:06 PM
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Why do you keep having sex DOZENS of times with a man who is lazy and doesn't pleasure you the way you want it? Why do you always pick men who are lazy?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 11:58 AM
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Only a lack of understanding the probabilities, or being ideologically blinded make you approach this topic differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 11:35 AM
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Telling a woman that she will be more likely to get unwanted attention if she dresses revealingly is not victim blaming. It is explaining a relationship of cause and effect. There is nothing in it that is about guilt or blame. It is addressing how things affect each other and if you want to reduce the chances of a certain outcome, you CAN change the causing side of things, that is within your control. You are called out for being a whiteknight, because you have to see this, but you still jump on…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 11:17 AM
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No, you can't smell misogyny. No, you can't smell redpill. Of course, even i can do that. Not actually smelling, but perceiving signs of those beliefs and according behavior. Just as i can see that for any other beliefs and behavior, like your left beliefs. Women are not different. If you did then there won't be crisis of single moms and situationship that we're seeing now. That doesn't follow. Learn your logic. Relationships break for other reasons than misogyny or redpill beliefs. No matter ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 11:00 AM
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No, the best way is to deal with the factors in your life and personality that make you susceptible to addiction at all. But you still didn't get the difference. Aagainst porn is against porn existing, being produced, being consumed by other people. The other side is about the personal consumption.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 09:59 AM
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How would you regulate hitmen?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 09:58 AM
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Then i think you are lieing. Men are not stupid. And if your sample size is 2, you probably just got men who are averse to eating pussy and do a bad job intentionally. About 30% of men and women are averse to givin oral sex. Go for the other 70%. As i said: if they fail to pleasure you the way you want it: stop having sex with them, instead of keeping to do that for "dozens of times" (that is like a year worth of relationship). That is what sexual compatibility is.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/25 09:57 AM
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That is like saying that the government is not regulating the killing of people, just because i can get on the darknet and order a hitman.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 04:46 PM
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against porn and against overconsumption of porn, are very different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 04:41 PM
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porn is not there to give pussy eating lessons. That is your job. Evey woman is different. If you cannot tell your sex partner how to please you and stop having sex with them if they fail to do that, then this is a you issue
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 04:34 PM
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but kids aren’t old enough to see a child’s throat get slit open or a school get shot up and not have it depress them for a min In which countries is this a thing that is not age regulated to be forbidden to be shown or distributed to "kids"?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 04:32 PM
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Yes, 0 openers from women vs 4 openers from women . Just as I said. This graph does NOT show how much engagement men have. It shows who gets how many opening messages. As I said, the men can send openers themselves and get conversations and dates
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 01:18 PM
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?! It is not exponential. It's a linear axis.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 01:10 PM
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That graph is about opening messages women sent to men. It says nothing about how much engagement those men got. They could have been talking to 10 women each day. As long as they started the conversation, it counts as "0 messages/week". Since its exponential the 85th percentile is like 1,000% more than the 60th percentile lol... and by 95th its like 10,000%... do you know how to read graphs and understand rate of change, derivatives, slopes, etc? WHAT? The scale goes from 0 to 25 messages. What…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/11/25 12:51 PM
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Be a bit loud, be a bit overbearing, be a bit arrogant, be chatty, be funny, be low inhibition, be ATTRACTIVE. All of these things help. That is just one way. You should look into different mating strategies. It's not just short term and long term strategies. Men who do not exhibit this behavior still get into relationships. There is no need to be two different strategies to get a long term mate.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 05:44 PM
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In The Art of Seduction, Robert Greene defines the Charismatic as a seducer type who draws power not from beauty or intellect but from intensity of presence. Charismatics radiate conviction and emotional energy; they seem possessed by purpose or vision, which magnetizes others. Their charm lies in emotional contagion: they make people feel what they feel. Greene breaks this type down into archetypes such as the Prophet, Guru, Enthusiast, or Rebel, all of whom evoke awe or devotion rather than si…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 04:18 PM
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In this day and age, most men twist themselves to the point of reducing all of their "offensive" personality traits to fit in with whatever a woman wants just so that they get into a relationship. Last time i checked this sub, the men were saying that women specifically pick the men with offensive personality traits, and that the guys who bend themselves to the will of the woman, the nice guys, are disregarded for relationships. they can pump and dump a lot of women, but women keep denying that …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 12:24 PM
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Sampling bias. You speaking as a woman, does nothing for the credibility. Let scientists do the assessment of naivety averages of the sexes.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 11:09 AM
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Apps are still just one area of real life. For every woman in a committed long term relationship, there is a man in one, too. It can't be quick and easy for women, while not also being quick and easy for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 11:01 AM
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So the real problem are unattractive men, after all?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 10:58 AM
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That is not a committed long term relationship then. Also, we have cohabitating data that doesn't allow for that. Unless you think that two women live in the same household as their partner, as "unknowing rotations".
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/25 09:43 AM
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What you claim is mathematically not possible, when we talk about long term committed relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 05:34 PM
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Altruism evolved and exists because it is in the interest of the individual. That doesn't mean that everything people do is to have you meet your interests. Sometimes, people want to exploit you. But overall, altruism and cooperation dominates. The relationship podcaster doesn’t want you to succeed in relationships. The alpha male influencer doesn’t want you to find contentment in life. If you did, they’d lose a customer. You are not thinking holistically enough. People recommend the podcaster, …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 04:24 PM
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Other unattractive men do that to you for being unattractive? Autism or personality disorder, does not apply?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 03:46 PM
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Yeah and it seemed like you do not like it when women talk about it if they do not help. Let them talk, stop reading it. Or did i misunderstand something here
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 02:35 PM
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It's rather the women having a problem with that. If the guy feels that his status in the relationship doesn't depend on his monetary contribution or the relation of wealth, i doubt he would have a problem with that. Be upfront about your wealth/income and let men decide before getting into the relationship. Have an open talk about it. Filter for the people who go well with that kind of dynamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 02:30 PM
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I wasn't speaking about myself though. I am hot, easily top 10%, have a hot girlfriend and have success with women in the top 10%. I was explaining what is going on, why it is still worthwhile to be around hot women, even when chances are slim. I get tired of seeing guys pretend they’re so generous for stooping to tolerate dating women they’re actually pretty half-hearted about. That's also a status anxiety thing. Imagine people believed you actually thought yourself to be average! Instead of be…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 02:20 PM
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So you are also digusted by men like you? What are men like you? In other comments you just said that you are unattractive. So i asked about if you think unattractive men won't help each other. You think out of disgust for each other?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 02:13 PM
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Your source does NOT clearly show that men do get statistically zero engagement until that point. Stop lieing to people
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 01:56 PM
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Maybe just don't read it?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 01:55 PM
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Men here who are struggling with women have just been lied to and the people who can help them have been silenced, because our society values protecting our feelings about ourselves over the feelings over literally 65% of men who are sexless and undesired. The red pill has such a bad reputation, because people like you protect their feelings by lieing to people who need help. The manosphere is not silenced at all. The manosphere is also not helping those who need help. Telling someone who is not…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 01:54 PM
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There is a general loneliness epidemic and it's being addressed by scientists, governments and NGOs. Women are just as lonely.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 11:20 AM
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You think all unattractive men are so down and in need of help, that they cannot support another guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 11:16 AM
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Because we all know that this "talking about" is coming from a place of victimhood and passivity, expecting others to change it, instead of they themselves doing what is required to have a romantic relationship. I expect him to solve his romance issues himself and not suggest that there is a failing on society's oder women's part, resulting in his situation. Constant complaining without changing anything is upsetting people, because there seems to be an expectation of things to change without th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 09:35 AM
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Is it possible for a man to be merciful, kind, and emotionally expressive (when appropriate) and still be considered "strong" or "high value" in the real world? Being weak or strong is not a black and white issue. And there is no ideal. We strive on variation and the demand for different variations changes with their frequency, among other things. The extremes are what are not desired usually.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 09:28 AM
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Love always is conditional. In all relationships (except towards children)
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 07:54 AM
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No, that would be you putting yourself in the friendzone with a woman who is not sexually interested in you.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 07:54 AM
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Then look for social situations with equally unattractive men. What is the problem with that? Or do you shun them yourself?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 07:47 AM
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Why would a man want to go to a club where there are hot women if these hot women will reject him? Because it just feel great to be around hot women. I'd imagine it does things to our testosterone and desire in the moment, it helps a fantasy. How many times have i basically done everything from talking to having sex with a woman all in my head, while looking at her dance, and then never even approached. That was still good. "there is always hope" , especially when you are blue pilled and think t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/25 07:43 AM
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I don't think there is a male loneliness epidemic. All data we have shows women are equally lonely. But what has not been assessed is romantic loneliness, because the measurement scale for that has just been developed a couple of months ago: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s40359-025-03208-8 I think most Incels and other frustrated men just hop on the "loneliness is a societal issue" bandwagon, hoping that their sexlessness will be addressed by society. But besides that, there is real …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 09:01 PM
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I don't see how women (as a group) show a tendency to say they want men in wedding dresses. There is transgressing gender norms and then there is breaking all social norms to a point where you would need to give up your status in society. There is opening up and there is traumadumping and revealing what a weak coward you are. Also: individuals. You are looking at individuals, not "women".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 06:48 PM
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I don't understand what the bullet is, that has been dodged. The guy got into a car with a driver he KNEW had a bunch of drinks. If anything, she dodged a bullet there. Other than that, for the general case: let people decide on partners. One person's dodged bullet it another person's treasure
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 06:44 PM
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Yes please, do so and I will humble you even more. You cannot win this.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 05:40 PM
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What are other priorities that have nothing to do with mating/sex? Can you name a few? I will make an effort to show how it's connected to sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 05:31 PM
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"Are there questions i could ask you, that if you would have to answer them truthfully, you would be absolutely sure i would break up with you, given all you know about me?" And if the answer is no, i'd think she is a little bit too boring. Or, "assuming you would have to answer truthfully: which question do you not want me to ask the most?"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 05:18 PM
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I love about current dating and male-female dynamics: (1) that i can do whatever the fuck i can dream of and live any life i enjoy and have any relationship type that suits me. For me, that is not being married, no kids, age gap open relationship, having casual/group sex with women half my age, having just sexual relationships, sex+friendship, sex+romance, friendship+romance, or everything together, side by side. One girlfriend or multiple. Everything is possible, ultimate freedom. (2) any gende…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 12:23 PM
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First, nobody in history has been remembered for being a mother. How hard is it to accept that some people WANT to be side characters? Being a tradwife is for women who want to be tradwives. It's clearly not for you. Can you deal with the nuance of different strokes for different folks?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 10:23 AM
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Why that?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 09:47 AM
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The ideal world already exists. Because my ideal is to take things as they are. This includes, that some people understand how things work and can therefore better get their interests met, and others stumble along blindly, or want to change things to get their interests met. Some of them are successful with that, some are not. This is all fine. There are many ways to success and many different ways success is defined. We all have slightly different goals, different strategies to get there and di…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 09:47 AM
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So, you failed to show what you claimed and i could even show that the opposite is true (shorter men being married more likely). As usual, nothing of substance from you
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 07:59 AM
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The postmodern ideology that progressives and feminists frame everything through. Women are either oppressors or oppressed, there is no other way. And since it's impossible that women are the oppressors by other parts of ideology, this leads to men having to be the oppressors. There is also no way to put nuance into it, once you deal with labels. It's also not possible to have oppressor and oppressed characteristics within one entity (person or group). You can have different layers of oppressors…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 07:41 AM
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So who will women, of that same age, go for instead of me?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/25 06:24 AM
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Choose: either you are powerful or an oppressed victim.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 04:52 PM
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It's a widespread thing affecting men. I also went through most of my life, thinking "double D" means 90s porn breasts. Took a girlfriend who got into bra-fitting to teach me how band and cup interact. She didn't have massive breasts at all but had a G cup. I didn't even know letters after D exist. It's actually amazing, how men are that into tits but don't even know the basics of size regarding bras. Also women know (or knew, 15 years ago), way too less about band and cup, leading to wearing wr…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 04:47 PM
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Then you should know that the data you have does not say what you claim it does. Feeling pretty, especially as defined in that study, has no interaction with amount of attention gotten. The study is especially about not focusing on physical beauty which you could get attention for. The predecessor of this study found that only 2% of women globally found themselves to be"beautiful" (this time, physical attractiveness). In an ideological push to make women feel beautiful, the definition was opned …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 03:03 PM
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It does NOT clearly show how much attention women get. Have you visited a university?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 02:27 PM
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And this source CLEARLY says, that beauty was not defined by physical beauty. https://www.philips.com/c-dam/corporate/newscenter/global/standard/resources/healthcare/2017/global-beauty-index/NewsCentre-Philips-Global-Beauty-Index-2017.pdf "Our initial research, in 2015, found that women were keen to transcend their conception of beauty beyond the purely superficial, expanding the definition past looking beautiful to feeling beautiful – whether that be by taking up exercise, healthy habits, or fi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 02:21 PM
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What does that mean? All men after 45 are single, while they were peak desirable just a year before?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 02:15 PM
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https://www.dailysabah.com/life/2017/11/13/9-out-of-10-women-in-turkey-find-themselves-beautiful Ah yes, we now believe stats with no source to back it up. I guess that is just turkish life?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 02:14 PM
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I was talking about status, not physical attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 02:02 PM
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Guide me through that: how do you make a calculation about if you can get someone better or not, and how do statistics play into that. You do not even have statistics that are up to date, as you said in another comment. And you believe that things change so fast that the data we have is so outdated, that one cannot take it as a basis for views on reality. So, how do you do it?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 01:43 PM
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First, that is not at all the single objective assessment of the health of dating and relationships. I am in healthy, committed relationships for over 20 years and not married and not having children, because that is the ideal way for me. You are bringing in ideology and claim it's objective. Ridiculous. Marriage does not need to have anything to do with dating and relationship health. People could just not marry at all and still everyone could be in committed romantic relationships and have a h…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 01:40 PM
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You would need to show that things change at a "speed". You just assume they do, because that is how it feels to you? Sorry, this is a lot weeker base to base a worldview on that 5 year old studies.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 12:21 PM
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what happens after 45 to your status?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 12:14 PM
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Takes opinion and feelings and turns it into facts. That is what most people do, regardless of their pill affiliation.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 12:13 PM
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All of that is highly dependent on the environmental factors. My current city has about 85% rented apartments/houses to 15% owned. And the age distribution is likely so that most of those living in owned apartments/houses are older than 35 and living at the outer bounds of the city. to me, it's not even attractive to have a house. I want a nice inner city apartment and i do not even want to own it with all the issues that come with it. I want to be flexibel and carefree regarding my living condi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 12:12 PM
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Yeah, women's tits grew bigger due to women getting fatter overall. You are right. It's way more american men who have had sex with a DD woman (especially since DD doesn't mean a specific volume). Please, enlighten me to how things changed regarding height and sex partner counts in men. i would LOVE to have new data on that to throw away my current beliefs that are built on data that is as up to date as i could find.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 11:49 AM
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There is no how "a man/woman in his/her prime", there are only averages. On average, a woman's prime is in her early 20s, regarding physical attractiveness. Averages do not say anything about an individual. An individuals peak physical attractiveness might be in their 30s or 40s. A woman in her prime is therefore also not "already attractive". Ugly women are also having a prime. Prime is depending on prime of what. Prime physical attractiveness? Prime fertility? Prime wealth? Prime status? Prime…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 11:46 AM
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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1570677X20302409 Do you mean this? if yes, then lol. Birth years prior to 1900 and outcome is marriage not sex partner count. If not, then please show your source https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1570677X22000685 Average height is associated with a decreased risk of being unmarried (in the Netherlands). "being shorter-than-average (0.75–0.5 standard deviations below the mean height) was associated with a higher probability of b…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 11:29 AM
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There are no PURELY masculine or feminie traits. That is not how masculinity and feminintiy are defined.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 10:50 AM
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What does pretty and gym have to do with masculinity?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 10:49 AM
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The decline in relationships are primarily due to more and more people men and women, opting to become masculine Source needed. In a evermore individualistic world, masculine traits are rewarded How so? Rewarded by whom and with what? An antidote to this is the performative man. Since more and more women are masculine, an easy way for guys to cater the dynamics is to just become a feminine man. You would first need to show that the performative feminine man has a higher chance to get what he wan…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 10:46 AM
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Just don't use dating apps. If all you can go by is looks, and looks alone don't do enough for women, as they need to see and observe a man acting in real life to be really attracted, they will put a higher threshold on looks to even consider a man. As you said it: walk confidently is important. You can't walk confidently on dating apps. Smiling in a sundress with toned legs works perfectly on dating apps. It's even better than the real deal. While for women, what they see on dating apps is not …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 10:16 AM
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What is "success", what is a "good personality"? Why do you assume there is an optimal strategy that could be adopted by every man? If one thing is clear, than that optimal strategies vary based on your personality. The science on the topic even says, that personality is just an outgrowth of our mating strategies. Look at narcissists as an example: optimized short term mating success startegy. Fails horribly for long term. Now what is "success"? Do you want a long term or short term success? Do …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 10:07 AM
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Since body height only weakly correlates with sex partner count in men, women are not picking 6" and above men to a higher degree than shorter men. So the chance for a single woman is depending on her sex partner count. At 5 sex partners, the chance is ~53%. With 5 being about the median for sex partner counts, half of women had 53% or lower chance to had sex with a 6" and above guy. But since sex partner count is a heavly right skewed distribution, with the top 5% of women having more than doub…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 09:36 AM
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You said men are worried about other men? What other men should I be worried about? You're not more physically attractive than me and I can say that with FULL CONFIDENCE without ever having seen you... I like your confidence, and i am a fan of overrating oneself. But if that profile pic you had yesterday is you, then you would not be judged more attractive than me on average. Who you should be "worried" about? Nobody. It's not about worrying, it's about winning the competition with other men ove…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 08:18 AM
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No, the point is that population averages do not predict individual mate choice outcomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 08:07 AM
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And what do we know about him? Nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 08:03 AM
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Evolution works on variability of traits and trait expression. Just because most people fall within "healthy" levels of these traits, doesn't mean that the ones who don't should also be able to "control" them, so their behavior also falls within the normal range. This is not something that an individual has complete or even a little control over in some cases. This does not relieve someone of the responsibility and they have to bear the consequences of their trait expressions.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/25 08:01 AM
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What you want to say is: The traits in men that are responsible for wanted behavior, are also responsible for unwanted behavior. It's impossible to just pick the good aspects and expect men to not express the others (flawlessly). Core Trait Wanted Expression (Attractive) Unwanted Expression (Repulsive) Dominance Confident leadership, assertive boundaries, calm authority Arrogance, control-seeking, coercive behavior Confidence Composure under stress, self-trust, clarity of intent Narcissism, delu…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 05:46 PM
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You didn't understand my comment and you likely didn't understand OP correctly. I don't care to explain again, it's not that interesting of a topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 04:59 PM
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I don't see the connection to what i wrote. Do you get the women you are happy with? If yes, then you win the competition for them. If not, then you lose. How not getting the women you would be happy with is processed and explained, is the topic my comment was about.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 04:58 PM
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Why don't you engage with my arguments then? We have democracies. If you do not like that there is a majority who is against abortion, maybe democracy is not your type of government. Women are not united beind being pro or against abortion rights or any specific level of rights regardign that topic. Feminists fight for feminist interests, not women interests in this regard. Some women are obsessed with not letting people decide what they do with their own bodies. You are blind man, ideologically…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 03:50 PM
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It does NOT ruin their pair bonding ability. It increases the chance for divorce. In both sexes.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 03:45 PM
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If anything, feminism says women should be free to do all the things men do. Great, then why are feminists still feeling oppressed and fight to achieve something?`We are already past the point of women being able to do all the things men do. If you think of yourself as capable, why do you need preferential treatment to achieve what you want? Why do you need support? Being capable means achieving it by yourself, on your own, or with the help you can acquire by yourself. Yes i agree that feminism …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 03:28 PM
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So you mean "what most people who comment on this sub mean, when they say feminism is bad for women"? But I’m happy to hear your personal thoughts on what you think would be “good for women” if “feminism is bad.” An ideology that tells women how bad they have it and that they are oppressed by men who are bad by definition, is not something i regard to be good for women. This doesn't mean everything that feminism achieved is bad. Feminism has achieved everything it needed to, in my opinion. In WE…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 01:49 PM
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I don't expect anyone to settle, ever. And i don't see any evidence for settling to take place. There is no reason to settle. Unless you define settling as taking a partner that is less than an ideal version one has in mind. In which case everyone that has ever lived has settled and the term becomes meaningless. Then, regarding a man not having a prime is ridiculous. Of course a man has a prime. It may be different for every man, when this prime happens, or how big his mating market value is in …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 01:22 PM
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Take risks. People will be fine. Also, take responsibility for the risks you take. What people seem to want is either risk-free success, or taking risks but not having to bear the consequences. Add in a lack of social skills or surplus of autism, and the whole risk assessment is out of the window, leading to cases such as the one you showed. Add to that, a learned helplessness and victim status, and you have people who can't stand up for what they want in a moment. If i don't want to be kissed i…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 11:30 AM
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Name anyone who is a good person. How much morally bad behavior is required to make someone lose good person status?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 11:13 AM
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Is that your equivalent or what you would WANT to be/look like, as a woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 11:10 AM
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Where did you get that stat from?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/25 10:00 AM
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Yes that is a good thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 07:00 PM
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Testosterone-novelty coupling Testosterone modulates the mesolimbic system’s sensitivity to sexual novelty. Levels increase during the anticipation of novel mating opportunities, but not during repeated exposure. This enhances reward salience for new partners and dampens it for familiar ones. High-testosterone males show stronger novelty-seeking and sexual variety preference (Archer, 2006). Evolutionary efficiency From an adaptive perspective, the Coolidge effect promotes gene dispersion. Invest…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 06:07 PM
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decline in male sexual interest after initial intercourse with a new partner is an effect of evolved reward dynamics, not conscious preference. The key mechanisms are dopaminergic, androgenic, and evolutionary. Dopaminergic reward collapse Initial sexual novelty triggers a strong phasic dopamine burst in the mesolimbic reward circuit (especially the nucleus accumbens and ventral tegmental area). This peak creates intense motivation and anticipatory arousal. Once intercourse occurs, the dopaminer…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 06:06 PM
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You know damn well that the average man is in a relationship, when 70% of men currently are. With 60%+ having regular sex each year, this is the same for average men. Both when you look at the median man and the probability of a randomly picked "average" man being in a relationship and having sex. You need to add "men under 30", because you know. You add something to my statement and then say I am wrong. Restricting the demographic to include ages where men usually have a lowered interest in rom…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 05:57 PM
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Or you could just learn social norms, masking, impulse control and perspective taking and not be called those terms. If you already don't, and you just get labeled as being part of men, then get out of the label "men". Identify as a woman. If enough men identify as women, both labels get called creeps, rapists, etc. Unless being a woman now requires something biological again..
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 05:44 PM
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Rapidly decreasing reward system outputs for repeatedly having sex with the same woman, is the cause of it. It is barely worth it to have a second meetup. I'd rather do the work and find a new sex partner, than having zero effort second time sex with a woman I already had casual sex with. If there is no other dimension to the relationship, you won't get men to come back for more repeatedly. Unless it's some rare match of kinks/fetishes, that they can't get anywhere else. I'd say FWB often do hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 05:36 PM
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Stats don’t lie, why so many more guys are single than women. This gets explained every single day in this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 02:37 PM
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and do you accept our own personal observations as a counter to what you said? What kind of evidence would you accept to change your mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 02:18 PM
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And i have seen the ugliest dudes with women, just because the women cannot get anyone else because they are around the same mate value. Your isse was not that you didn't have what woman really want, it was/is that you didn't cultivate it, didn't learn it, didn't change towards a man a woman wants.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 02:11 PM
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Men and women value differen things in the other sex and with different weights. We all know that. You know that. Op knows that. Just like how women point out that men ditch women for high body count while they have high body count themselves. Women get pregnant, men dont. This MASSIVE difference in men and women and leads to the behavior we see.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 02:00 PM
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Their hypergamous mind would never let thoughts of being settling for a man come to their mind. MANY? NEVER?! The overwhelming majority of all committed relationships /marriages are with Non-Chads. The overwhelming majority of women are also currently in such a relationship. What are you talking about? If anything, then it's a fringe minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 11:05 AM
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We are helping the impoverished and mentally ill
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 10:53 AM
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This is just what you feel. Don't trust your feelings
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 10:52 AM
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You are free to act in your own interest. I'd recommend everyone to do it. But you are short sighted, if you think it's in your interest to want enforced monogamy. It's not even in your interest to say out loud, to your girlfriend, what you just wrote. Also, how would the distribution of women onto men for enforced monogamy even work?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 09:46 AM
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that women, on average, receive lighter punishment for the same crimes as men So, some women receive harsher punishments for the same crime as men? Or do ALL women receive lighter punishments than men? Even men receive harsher or lighter punishments than other men for the same crime. Is it possible, that there are other factors determining the sentence, and it just correlates with sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 08:37 AM
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How is it "getting away" when they are found not guilty for reasons of insanity?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 08:14 AM
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You talk as if women haven been objects without personhood recently and the women that are relevant dating demographic experienced that themselves, or even their parents. Same for men. Also, from what men do you get pushback on your advice? That is literally red pill advice to optimize yourself. Though the "stay true to yourself" is mostly changed to a oversimplified cookiecutter version of what works. For the men that absolutely do get nowhere in dating, being true to themselves is often not th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 07:56 AM
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Even then it doesn't make them the same league. 21yo woman and 21yo man, rest being equal, do not have the same mate value. Woman and man with 25% bodyfat do not have the same value. Woman and man at 6 foot tall do not have the same value. etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 07:43 AM
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So you expect a blind person to marry a blind person because .... they are on the same level? Don't you think it's reasonable to look for someone that complements you rather than having the same problems that you want to get out of? There surely are men on this woman's mate value level, who have a job and an apartment, but lack in other departments that are not that important to her right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 07:37 AM
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You made the claim that I am wrong. I asked for proof, because you seemed to have evidence, when you know I am wrong. But glad to see that you don't and it was just an opinion
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 04:13 AM
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I am not saying age gap relationships are increasing. I said that they exist and are a major factor for the difference in relationships rates in people aged 18-29. If you compare men aged 21-32 with women aged 18-29, there is no difference in relationship rates. That is just an average 3 year age gap for that demographic. If you add in that there are 105 men for every 100 women in that demographic, you will see that there really is nothing scary going on.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 10:18 PM
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Yes and OP is wrong about thinking that having the same living conditions makes one the same league
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 06:45 PM
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Leagues are probability based. Don't be silly.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 05:50 PM
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No, that is not at all what leagues mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 05:49 PM
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You go first, then I present my evidence
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 05:17 PM
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What do you base your "ought" on? 25% of young men are not even looking for a relationship. Why should they have sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 09:10 AM
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Those are marriages
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 09:05 AM
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Can you prove that?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 08:55 AM
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What is culturally forbidden for low value men that would be their only means to succeed?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/25 08:53 AM
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Yeah, i have been arguing the same to explain the "young men being single" stuff. But to no avail. No views changed. I wonder if there are neutral readers who get convinced. The ones i am arguing with are not convinced. It's ideology, and i think we might be fools to go in with evidence. THe manosphere likes to point out how all men are into young women. But when "all men" go into the market for young women and young men lose the competition over them, they go shockedpikachu.jpg Like what do the…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 04:38 PM
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Absolutely, i agree. Also regarding cultures. to me, a friend is something way closer than what your typical american would call a friend. Maybe the picture i linked in the previous comment didn't account for that, as it's more pubscience. I did post studies regarding male and female friendships and the difference in how they are structured, how close or focussed they are, etc. I don't remeber if it is in this branch of the discussion or if it was another comment of me in the topic. THe study al…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 04:12 PM
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Natural selection is what "nature selects". Women never used natural selection. All they can do is use sexual selection. And btw, humans have mutual mate choice, not female choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 02:10 PM
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Like always, you are the MVP here. Just want to add, that the age preference changes over age. Young men do not prefer younger partners as much as slightly older men. Similarly, women's preference for older partners is highest when they are young and then reduces over their own age. Here, have a graph with "preferred" ages. Sadly, the study didn't provide exact values for what "older" means and where the boundaries are. So just take it as a general picture of things change. But since the prefere…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 01:37 PM
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If dating is very difficult for you, you are not the average man. The average man is having regular sex and is in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 01:29 PM
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Sexual liberation of women however breaks that paradigm de facto (not completely but in a way that’s difficult to distinguish with the primitive parts of our brain), and shifts the rules of mating toward the Darwinian end of the spectrum. What is the effect size of that shift? Men and women aged 30-45 are currently to 72%+ in committed relationships. What you talk about is only relevant to young people who are not interested in committed relationships. As even among the young demographic, close …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 10:01 AM
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Manopshere twists this to their ideology. Adds things that are not present in the science.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 09:41 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 09:40 AM
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Our genes aren't these fitness-maximizing automata which are able to deliberately seek out and propagate desirable traits. In order to make a complete evolutionary argument, you must first explain the exact mechanism which led to a certain disposition being selected for (eg, make a precise argument for why less-jealous men had fewer offspring), and then explain how that disposition came to be encoded as a specific instinct. Very rarely do you see this level of justification from evo-psych people…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 09:40 AM
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What about "women maintained their early clique sizes across a much greater age range than men" says "more women are losing friends as they age" to you?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/25 09:02 AM
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It does say the opposite. You seem to not have read it or are incapable of look past your blackpilled ideology. You have no place in this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 01:39 PM
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i am waiting for your evidence and studies supporting your views. Will not further interact with you until your bring evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 01:38 PM
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It does matter a lot
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 12:26 PM
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https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886921007546 https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychology/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2022.904848/full https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2013-36062-001 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40806-023-00382-z https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886917306037 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40806-018-0169-1 https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13178-020-00496-0 personality matters. Mentality and psych…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 12:26 PM
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Im not mad at high SMV dudes for existing and getting laid -- women are the ones all fucking the same dudes. So you want to tell me, that you are mad at people going for the most attractive options they have, rather than you not being among the most attractive options of people? You realize that this is a coping strategy to not have to deal with the fact that you are not an attractive option. Which means other men are better than you. Which means you are defective. Not worthy of casual sex. Etc.…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 10:08 AM
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Because other men are winning the competition. If they would not be this good, women would have to take less good men. If everyone was a stupid broke incel, then that would be what women can pick from.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 09:43 AM
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Which part about emotional intelligence would prevent that?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 09:39 AM
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You should make an effort to get an objective view first. There is no MALE loneliness epidemic. It affects men and women equally in terms of percentages who report different levels of feeling lonely. Incels hijacked the loneliness topic by making it about sexlessness and being single. There is no representative data yet on romantic loneliness between the sexes. A study that presented a scale to measure romantic loneliness just came out a few months ago and it showed married people report higher …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 08:39 AM
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Reality is that men and women are mostly satisfied in their relationships, love their partners and have regular sex. Also, that most people are in relationships and do not struggle to get there.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 08:23 AM
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Most of them are paying for it and most never experience raw attraction You have no evidence to base any of that on. It's just black pill ideology No, most men cannot easily get casual sex. Why should they? That is not possible in a situation with high demand and low supply
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 08:21 AM
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Those are from older generations. In today's dating market where women want the top men things are extremely different. No, you can also look at real life couples of the young generation right now and see the same. You do not see what it's like for most men, because you do not see most men. Only studies can give you insights on what it's like for most men. You see a limited perspective of incels and blackpillers. Going on dates is not simping and being a clown. You are coping because you cant ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 08:20 AM
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Then you would know that emotional intelligence does not prevent one from getting into abusive relationships where the people had clear warning signs. I didn't say you said men are the more logical sex. But it think you should probably know it is that way and a single example doesn't disprove that.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 08:14 AM
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Nobody defines anything away. Men report themselves that they have these numbers of close friends. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 08:12 AM
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After dating a lot of women, one thing I've noticed Sampling bias, perception bias. why women tend to have few or no close friends <image> Sex differences in close friendships and social style "In a seminal series of studies has highlighted a number of key differences in the dynamics of the two genders' relationships: male friendships tend to be more casual and club-like, whereas female relationships tend to be more dyadic and focussed. In effect, men's close networks are typically more integrat…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 08:03 AM
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while a man in the same leggings might receive ridicule or assumptions of sexual intent. Well, that is what heuristics are. Women wear this stuff because it grants them status because men like viewing women this way and therefore it also grants them intrasexual status and just makes them "feel good" (doing it for me). Men do not wear this stuff because women are not wanting to see men like that to nearly the same extent. There is no intrasexual status coming with revealing gym clothes for men. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 07:28 AM
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The whole point is, that loser men do not want to face the reality that they are losing the competition with other men over women. That would result in a bad view of themselves. Rather, they want to make it about women being wrong in their choices, or society having the wrong values that result in them being losers. It's other men who are the enemies, not women. Women just pick winners. But as a man who is incapable of being competitive with other men, it seems easier or the only way to become a…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 07:09 AM
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dude, spill your black pill defeatist ideology somewhere else. We have the data to disprove what you say
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 06:48 AM
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We have the data to clearly disprove that. 70%+ of men have sex in a given year, most of them very regularly. Very low percentage of virgins past age 25.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 06:47 AM
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We can look at ACTUAL real life couple right now. They are similar regarding most traits. From education to attractiveness to social status, etc. Get out of your online dating app bubble and your social media rage bait If you need to go on dates then you are a clown. Why that? Dates are fun
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 06:46 AM
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Prove it, and take into account women post menopause
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 06:43 AM
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Whenever I hear this statement im baffled cause so many of them had a abusive or toxic ex, who was shit to them , like major red flag but they still couldn't see it even if there was a neon sign above his head. (1) you don't know what emotional intelligence is (2) you don't know what differences in average values between populations mean (3) you don't know what an equivalent is (4) examples do not disprove AVERAGE values for the population. "Because your post exists, men cannot be the more logic…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/25 06:37 AM
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What do you expect when the ratio is 1:5 or worse? That is specific to dating apps. Go date in real life where there is a 1:1 ratio I am a man. I am not struggling to date or have casual sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 08:08 PM
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Being rejected by every woman you ever tried to date just means you are shooting above your league. Everyone gets rejected, even Chads. In the end, basically everyone finds someone on their level who matches.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 06:23 PM
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Are you aware that that is the reality for 95% of men? No i am not and i also do not believe that without evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 06:21 PM
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Sure, getting rejected is not struggling, though. Men find relationship partners when they go for women on their mate value level. Also, it's mathematically impossible that women find relationships quickly on average, while men do not. Why would a woman be in a relationship with a man she is not attracted to?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 05:39 PM
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So what is not true? Women being picky, having lots of options and high standards? Or women picking men who they don't really want. Most men get rejected, sure, but that is just part of finding a long term partner. just like women take months or years to find a long term partner and get rejected in the meantime. You just need to be a clown/dancing monkey if you make up lacking mate value towards the woman you are interested in. If you pick women who are on your mate value level, you do not need …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 05:36 PM
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Jack is pursuing 6-7s on a good day? You think top 10% men go for 6-7s?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 05:27 PM
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Being a lawyer does not add the same amount of mate value to a woman than to a man. And neither does being fit.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 05:24 PM
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Not even close. 70% of men are in committed relationships currently.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 05:23 PM
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Most men are in relationships with women. Those women are super picky and have high standards and lots of options to pick from (right? RIGHT?). So how can those men be repulsive to the women they are with?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 05:21 PM
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he is too picky, if he thinks he can demand the same traits in women and expects that would be the same value in men than it is in women. Jack should look into the red pill, to find out that women and men value different things differently weighted.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 05:17 PM
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This is not purgatory. Not being able to date the hottest and most successful women is not purgatory. Jack can date women on his new mate value level now, just like everyone else who can only date women on their mate value level. Regardless of if they did a lot to get there or not. Also, if physical attractiveness is so important to Jack, he can take the tradeoff and look for women who have other traits that lower their overall mate value.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 05:03 PM
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Before you even went on a date is not "early stages of dating". Your are a possibility of a date. A faint hint of something. Nothing to commit any kind of exclusivity towards. This has nothing to do with them talking to other people while you are in a committed relationship with them. You were the guy she started talking to while already talking or going on dates with others. If you don't want that, tell them that you don't want that and accept he consequences
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 09:57 AM
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You mean what OP describes besides attractiveness not being able to be changed? You mean that large parts of human biology and psychology, what motivates, drives and rewards us is tied to everything that belongs to mating? How is that shit? We are literally built to enjoy that
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 09:06 AM
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No, if anything, we take turns on a night out, so it evens out approximately in the end. I would not feel good, being the one who pays. I want it to be worth it for her, without sweetening the deal with a financial aspect. The women i have been on dates with mostly also insisted, that they pay for their expenses or we share the bill, because they want to signal that they are not a leech, that tehy are independent and that there is no expectation that they have to make up for the financial uneven…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 09:05 AM
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Those belong to the agreeableness personality dimension: Specifically, it corresponds to the Trust facet, which measures the degree to which a person assumes others are honest, reliable, and have good intentions. A “trustworthy” individual is typically high in Trust (believes others are sincere) and also elicits trust from others through consistent honesty, reflecting overlap with Straightforwardness (Honesty) within the same domain. High Trust: believes people are generally well-intentioned; ap…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 08:37 AM
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Depends on what you count as personality traits. If we go by Big5/Five factor model, my wishlist would be: low neuroticism, very high openness for experience, moderately high conscientiousness. If you want to be more specific and go to the subscales, i think my wishlist would be: Curiousity Adventurousness Self-efficacy But as always with these "preferences" lists, people, and i, assume some things to be present, before we go to the wishlist items. So we are only thinking about the "luxury" item…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/25 08:24 AM
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Dude, women AND men attack struggling men. Get your struggling fixed instead of trying to get men to shut up women, so you feel better.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 05:22 PM
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I do observe reality. Even in the most objective way, by reading studies on that topic. We have clear evidence that you are wrong. People can increase their attractiveness. Both looks and most of the rest of what makes up their attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 04:46 PM
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No woman has ever asked me to give her stuff or money. Seems like you are just a guy who tries to make up for being disliked by giving people money.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 12:29 PM
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It's very much correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 12:27 PM
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I don't get it. I don't want her to not pursue education, career and sexual opportunities in order to marry her. All of that make her a better match for me. I don't want her to sacrifice anything, just as i don't want to sacrifice things that are important to me. For men who do want an uneducated, stay at home wife with zero barely any sexual partners: they already exist, without someone having to sacrifice anything. And they are not even in high demand, so the men who want them should have thei…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 12:21 PM
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Even if that were true, why does it matter? Why make a debate about it? Why have some kind of frustration about that? Be stoic and understand what you can change and what not.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 11:57 AM
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NO, autistic women do not mask better than autistic men Source? Nothing. Actual scientific evidence: Yes, autistic women mask better than autistic men. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1362361319864804 "Social camouflaging describes the use of strategies to compensate for and mask autistic characteristics during social interactions. A newly developed self-reported measure of camouflaging (Camouflaging Autistic Traits Questionnaire) was used in an online survey to measure gender diffe…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 11:55 AM
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"acting nice" is inferior to "being kind". Being kind is super important for men and women to get into friendships and relationships. If you are not kind and need to "act nice", you will have a bad time. But that is not the only way to get laid. Being disagreeable but confident are the major short term sexual partner traits in men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 11:34 AM
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Also, all of that is correlation and theories for what the causing effect is (mutation load affecting facial attractiveness through disruption of symmetry etc.). From the study: "As an alternative explanation for our results it is possible that less attractive men could be less successful in finding a mate and hence start reproducing later. If attractiveness is to some degree heritable (see McGovern, Neale, & Kendler, 1996; Rowe, Clapp, & Wallis, 1987), then also for this reason older fathers wou…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 09:52 AM
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I am going to look at the sources and address them (1)-(4). Sources from the video: One, two, three, four (1) Old fathers pass on more mutations to kids than old mothers. This is not about women not aging like milk, or that your value does not go down with age. It does not show how eggs do not expire or deteriorate, it's about accumulation of mutations by cell division, that does not happen in eggs. Eggs still deteriorate in quality and quantitiy by age, leading to defects and lower fertility. (…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 09:51 AM
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That is why i said, that i already explained this a number of times to the OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 07:49 AM
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Here’s the uncomfortable truth: if someone isn’t attracted to you, no amount of money, wealth, or personality will change that. Beyond basic hygiene and health, everything else is out of your control. Yet society constantly pushes the lie that success and self-worth are tied to desirability. You, or the AI, argues about individual, specific attraction of an individual to you. "society" (rather red pillers) push the truth, that money, wealth, and personality (among other things) are part of the a…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 07:35 AM
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Alright, so what number of bodies has what kind of serious effect on "monogamous feelings" in men and in women?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 07:12 AM
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I don't think that's true. Men want the top 20%, certainly. But they want quite a bit else besides. And that is the same for women. The top 20% just has the most overlap of being wanted by women. But as women have different preferences a way larger percentage of men gets found attractive by some women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 07:08 AM
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This is based on a lack of understanding the female perspective on mate choice and attraction. Men thinking from their perspective, jumping to conclusions about women's behavior. Evaluation of attractiveness of a man by viewing fotos only, not knowing anything about him, is vastly different, than evaluation of the same man after having spent time with him and gotten to know him and his other, non-visible traits. Male perspective is: "all i need to know is to see a picture of her. Hell, an age is…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 07:05 AM
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Shaming a certain women for not being attracted to a certain man doesn't happen. This should tell you everything you need to know. It's single and frustrated men, who become hopeless and angry when they believe, that (in your example) 99% of men are not found attractive (which means they are part of those), and this means (also when they are brainwashed to believe that without evidence) that they will not be desired in the way they want to be desired, even in the case that they fnd a women who w…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 07:01 AM
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A 2014 Brooks et. al study found that consumption of Hollywood films and tv increases and amplifies women's preferences and selectivity for men's facial attractiveness. Yeah, PREFERENCE, not what they end up with having as mate. Thus, if you lack the analysis to understand the link between mass media consumption and sociological engineering of the masses, then this conversation cannot continue. If you don't understand human biology and evolution, you shouldn't even start to try to explain things…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 07:56 PM
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I am curious about this list.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 07:55 PM
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People matching in facial attractiveness was there millennia before any Hollywood movie or pop culture. If anything Hollywood is breaking up what nature makes us do, by letting the nerd get the hot girl in the end.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 07:07 PM
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It's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 07:04 PM
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How often did I explain that to you already? Watch hoe_math's Video on "Zones v3" von YouTube. Badboy and good guy are not on the same spectrum. They are individual scales and how where you score on each scale for a specific woman determines the relationship she can see with you. You score low on badboy, that's why all you can get is friendzone. Develop your traits that are responsible for the badboy scale. It's not confusing at all. You just refuse to acknowledge your lack of sexual attractives…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 07:02 PM
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Equal mate value. Looks are just a part of your mate value. But this results in similarity in couples. Regarding a wide variety of traits. It's delusional to just go by looks and expect that your looksmatch is your equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 06:39 PM
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That is plain wrong. Attractiveness does not even predict relationship status. Men of all ranges of attractiveness have girlfriends/wives. Displaying confidence is a turn on. What you might think about is bragging.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 02:19 PM
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Then increase your masculine traits, physical features, and most importantly confidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 01:42 PM
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Bonding with someone platonically does not mean you are on their level for a romantic relationship
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 01:40 PM
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What makes you think that you need to have many dates in short timeframe? And if that is not happening, you are rather single, sexless and miserable? How about you start out with -someone- where there is mutual attraction? If you are not attractive/not attracted to women who are as unattractive as you are, that attraction happens through "mere exposure" and "getting to know you/her", without a romantic/dating setting. Parties within social circle are luck based. Everything is luck based, even da…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 01:39 PM
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When you talk about those "men", that are angry they can't possess and control women like "they" did before, do you mean the 5% of incels, or the 70% of men who are in committed relationships currently? Or the 25% of men who are not currently but in the past, or in the future, or in casual relationships or just don't want a relationship. Do you mean CURRENTLY living men or do you include the men who where actually able to control and possess women in the past hundreds and thousands of years? How…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 12:55 PM
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Sexual inhibitions and shyness could be helped by caring, compassionate, open-minded people. But why? I am there for my enjoyment, not to help a random guy overcome his inhibitions. I already do that within my social circle. When i go to sex parties, i am there to enjoy myself. Now, you could say that i am not caring, compassionate or open minded. I am, just for a limited circle of people, not extending that to just about anyone, and independend of how wide the gap between current status and goa…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 12:37 PM
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That only applies when you think women are a monolith. Advice of women that morals are important (from their perspective/for them) is contradicted with OTHER women, picking men for short term relationships who have "bad morals". It's just a coping narrative to not have to deal with the fact that neither morality nor attractiveness are predictors for being in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 12:13 PM
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I was just going to mention Nietzsche and slave morality.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 12:09 PM
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A whole bunch of different biases are at work here. Other than that, i think Niceguys (low confidence, high agreeableness) see their lack of success (but don't realize it's due to low confidence) and compare themselves to men who do have success (high confidence), but only deal with or perceive the cases they find unfair instead of the cases, where they see dudes like themselves, regarding high agreeableness, being successful (for their confidence). They focus on the cases where high confidence,…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 12:07 PM
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Parties within your social circle, nightclubs, social clubs, sports, hobbies, etc. Man, this is a question that is posed every 5 minutes on every relationship-related sub. You cannot possibly have not come around an answer to that. Your reply of "but i don't like doing any of that, have no friends, no money, live in an area where nothing of that is possible, and don't want to drop my existing hobbies that make it nearly impossible to meet potential mates" is not an issue of "modern dating"
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 11:47 AM
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Being good at having dating success doesn't make you high value. And i should probably have added, that only being successful when you jump through hoops and are a performative clown, is obviously not fun, but also not required. Date women on your level, and you don't have to make up for your lack of mate value with "performance". Misogyny doesn't necessarily mean that you complain about women. What are you basing your knowledge on, that half of the successful men complain about women and "the s…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 11:45 AM
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So 300 cold approaches that lead nowhere. How is that "jumping through hoops" and "taking shit 24/7". So you do not have any seduction experience or even been on the path that leads to having sex with a woman. Reacting with disgust is a reaction to a threat to their status. You thinking you are on their level is an attack, because it signals to them and to the surrounding people, that you think you are on her level (which you are pretty much not), and the discrepancy of your mate values is so hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 11:35 AM
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Jumping through hoops is only required if you make up for your relative lack of mate value compared to her, with that. Date women on your mate value level and you won't have to jump through hoops. If you don't want to date women who are on your current level, increase your level. Taking crap 24/7 is equally something the women "gets" from you, in addition to your lower-than-hers mate value, to make up for the discrepancy. Date women on your level, and you will not have to take crap from her. Wha…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/25 11:31 AM
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Don't use apps then
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 05:43 PM
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So women are immune to love/emotions/bonding, but men are not. You heard it here first, guys
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 03:53 PM
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You have not understood anything about loneliness. Neither general nor romantic loneliness.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 02:21 PM
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That most men are sexually successful (making complainers a small, bitter anomaly). That obtaining sex automatically negates all critiques of the system used to obtain it. She sheer volum of posts on this sub is NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF ANY PERCENTAGE of sexless men in the general population. I cannot repeat this often enough. Looking at the data, we see that 15-20% of young men aged 18-29 are sexless in a given year. So, a minority. The crisis of loneliness is not about sex. "everyone agrees" is t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 01:27 PM
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What you call "love" is just what people are attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 01:09 PM
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When we say nice guy, we mean a guy without confidence but high agreeableness . What people often mean when they say mean guy is high confidence, low agreeableness. Makes for high short term success, low long term success. What people want long term is high confidence, high agreeableness. What we often have here is low confidence, low agreeableness. The cynical loner. Confidence is magnetic. Agreeableness is the sustainability dimension of social relationships. A nice guy hides his insecurity be…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 09:43 AM
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What does that have to do with awareness? Tolerating behavior is very different. I am not going to tolerate the behavior of a psychopath just because I am aware of the condition.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 09:05 AM
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They do make it obvious. But you need to be the active part. How they react to that is how they make it obvious
/r/PurplePillDebate16/10/25 01:53 PM
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So how did your text support that it is NOT actually a disadvantage? If anything it has pros and cons and what weighs heavier is a personal judgement
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 12:23 PM
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Chad also needs money if he wants to have a committed relationship in his 30s
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 10:39 AM
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Love is a multi-part drive system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_of_romantic_love And it is conditional. If the conditions change, love ends
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 10:01 AM
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That is conditional love then. Thanks for making my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 09:50 AM
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I absolutely agree that people abuse substances to a point where it's a net negative on their lives. They also do that with food, sports, porn, religion, gaming, consumerism, and any other possible thing. But there are also ways to do that which is a net benefit for the weightings people apply for their life. Happiness is found in three aspects in life: hedonism, eudaimonia and psychological richness. Just because people can be destructive in the pursuit of happiness, doesn't mean they have to.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 09:49 AM
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Everything screams neurodivergent about him, but he denies, because his whole house of cards would come down
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 09:34 AM
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And how is online dating app dating working out for you, in comparison to real life approaches?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 09:30 AM
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Go for young women for what? Long term relationships? Nope. For sex? Sure, they desire young women for sex, but who really HAS sex with young women, when they are old (35+)? Swipe them on OLD? Sure. There are other factors than physical attractiveness that guide mate choice. Most men go or similarly aged women, slightly younger. Depends on age. Body count is really not a concern when deciding on an age one goes for in a mate. There are plenty of women of any age with body counts <5. Filtering by…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 03:45 PM
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This whole oppression thing is not even part of human mating or the red pill. You bring in some gender war ideology bullshit. The red pill doesn't want to change anything, it just describes what is going on, so one can adapt to be successful in the system that is there. Again, like your first sentence said: it's just seeing the truth, nothing more, nothing less. Here, from the sidebar: RP is a praxeology (a way of understanding actions in the world) that deals with Sexual Strategy. It seeks to e…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 03:39 PM
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I said or believe nothing of the like.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 03:35 PM
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WHat is your evidence? Have you read the article? it's not about "believing" , there is evidence. If you reject reality, you are living in a delusion, a fantasy, and one that makes you unhappy at that. One you need to hold up against the impending reality, crashing in on you, showing you that what you assume is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 03:31 PM
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But personally I never saw a fully regulated women who works exercises and has hobbies and books 3-4 book appointments per week with different men. That is where you do not even start to comprehend what the lifestyle is about. 30 in a year, when you go to a sexclub every weekend, is like not having sex on most weekends. Then you have sex with 2-3 people in a given night. When you are single that can make is so you just have sex on 10-15 nights per year, but when you do, it's in a sexclub or simi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 03:30 PM
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If you are rejecting the junk, then why still carry all the negative connotations of the toxic nomenclature? Where do i carry that? You sound like someone wanting to get a giant swastika tattoo, arguing with me about the original Hindu meaning of the sun or something, claiming that the nazi junk isn't related to it. Fair point. But you don't believe me about the original meaning being what i am about and call me a nazi just because others have tainted the well. As long as we still have my defini…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 03:21 PM
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You want an argument? Reels are fiction, made for entertainment, to get view and engagement, for attention, for political movements, as propaganda, for trolling, for victim status, etc. The frequency of reels you see towards one topic says nothing about it's commonness or importance, but just says something about YOU and what emotionally engages you, mostly due to anger, hate, frustration, envy, etc. negative emotions. People copy what is successful. When soemoens says something, others will do …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 03:12 PM
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Point (1) has no interaction with manipulation. "at the first red flag" is exactly what they are not going to notice, because they are being manipulated and their ability to even notice something as a red flag is waaaaay less established than in women >30. Young women end up MORE with men who are bad for them, for various reasons. A manipulator has to worry LESS about red flag detection than non-manipulator men. The manipulator is getting out of the red flag detection with manipulation. Point (2…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 03:09 PM
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No, i am saying reels are not evidence of anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 02:36 PM
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red pill is not an ideology. It changes and adapts, because it's about truth, as far as we understand it, and that constantly changes and adapts to new knowledge and evidence. Manosphere junk is not red pill. You can't just put the red pill label on anything. That some manosphere people put ther red pill label on them also doesn't make it red pill. Red pill is about the truth. If something is not hte truth, it's not red pill. Blue pill is not knowing the truth and staying with the explanations t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 02:35 PM
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That is red pilled. It's the truth about human mating, to which love and romantic relationships belong to. Blue pill, not knowing the truth about human mating/love, would be to believe in love being something more spiritual, deeper meaning, trancendental, following romanticism in its idealism about love. It would be more along the lines of "people are loved for who they are", unconditional love, soul mates, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 02:29 PM
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WHat you think about love is fake. True love is conditional. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_of_romantic_love That is love. What you have in mind is wishful thinking and idealisitc views that came up in the era of romanticism. The point of love is also explained in the article. In short: evolved mechanism to help our mating system and for parents to stick together during pregnancy and after childbirth.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 02:25 PM
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People are mentally ill while having lots or few sex partners. There are mental health issues that make people hypersexual. Some people seek out sex for ego reasons, or to compensate status anxiety, or to feel desired/worth something, to get attention if they are disregarded otherwise. Others buy luxury cars or watches for the same goal, or climb the corporate ladder, etc. Of course, people who have that may partners and go to sex parties are of a certain kind. But as i said, i think most of tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 02:23 PM
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You might want to check if you are more red pill than you think.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 12:40 PM
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How do you pick who you love? And for what do you love them specifically?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 12:39 PM
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Something i’ve started to notice is that many women tend to have high dating standards. For me personally those standards are quite unrealistic. Why? Because they often tend to be about things that we can not control at all; our height, looks, high educational level, communication and social skills, income and so on First, you have control over most of what you listed. Second, what has that to do with love? Those are requirements for a mate that lie outside of love. This is how those women limit…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 12:38 PM
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Even if women and some studies show that women aren't particularly attracted to promiscuous men (which I can believe), these men still have sex, make friends, have relationships, and so on. And so do promiscuous women. Those studies show averages, but people differ regarding promiscuity and how they view it. It's mostly captured by "sociosexual orientation". People who have lots of partners do so with with people who have lots of partners and they also commit to each other because they do not ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 12:19 PM
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If it isn't about money, why do you keep the "bux"? Then it's just a beta man in a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 08:38 AM
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There is something to it, that signals similarity, a very important trait in couples, when a partner does the things you need, want, value, expect, without you having to tell them. It signals, that they will be acting in your interest, even if you don't tell them. You don't have to micromanage them, but their own interests align with yours. That is quite important. Also, it's a true signal, rather than a faked one. Imagine telling someone exactly what you need so you love them. They can then jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 07:46 AM
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reels are not evidence of anything
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 07:30 AM
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People who already “win” don’t need to explain why they win. But if they would, they would quickly be incompatible with blue pill.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 07:11 AM
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I do not know any losers in general, much less their views on human mating dynamics. Everyone i know, both men and women understand basic concepts about human mating that make them red pilled, rather than blue pilled. Even the feminists among the women do understand that and put in effort to increase their mate value to get access to better men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 07:09 AM
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Let's hope he is just defensive in the moment and the words will work their way into his brain over time.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/25 06:56 AM
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And I tell you, that this is not how you get cheating statistics. Not by a long shot. But please, go on and explain it. I can't be the only one who is amused by your lack of understanding of sampling bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 08:42 PM
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No I only had friends and no sex until I was 19. As far as I remember, I was happy and fulfilled. Don't know how this would have played out for longer, especially since comparison makes unhappy. So I think it's no for whole life. Now that I have had as much sex as I wanted for the past 20 years, and had various levels of number and quality of friendships, I'd say that it's my social relationships that bring most joy, happiness and fulfillment to me. But most importantly, my long term romantic pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 08:39 PM
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How does the table owner know what you bring to the table before years of exploring that?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 01:48 PM
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You said once that you think there is no difference between a friendship with sex, and a romantic relationship with sex. This shows you don't know or understand romantic relationships, as they are way different from friendships. Doesn't mean you have to want any of that. I am just saying that you come from a different place and therefore what women describe here seems of no value, but it is for other men
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 12:18 PM
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Well, if you put so much value in the views of those men, then take it from a man married women cheat with: it's nowhere near 70% of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 12:13 PM
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Dude, you personal experience CANNOT conclude about the ratio of cheating to faithful women. Selection bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 09:02 AM
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Why should you have lower standards than you can afford to have?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 08:55 AM
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thanks! yes i was using posslqy. Will do the analysis again with combined variables.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 08:48 AM
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I am aware of the science on that and i do not care. It has no effect. I sometimes think about other women when i have sex with my gf, sometimes more attractive, often less attractive. It is a turn on in the moment and doesn't change anything about how attractive i find her or how much i enjoy sex with her or how much i love her, or how likely i am to break up and look for another woman. It's simply sexual fantasy and can be filled by anything. I can give her the same freedom to deal with her se…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 08:43 AM
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That is because you do not understand love and relationships. i thought you already got that point.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 08:34 AM
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But you said it yourself. They can afford it. If the standard is too high, they could not afford it
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 08:29 AM
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So "i don't know what is good about me and i hope you find something"
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 08:04 AM
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I expect an answer that shows three things: (1) this person is reflected and understands themselves and has the vocabulary to express it (2) this person has the social experience and understanding of relationships, to know how their characteristics affect people and relationships. What about them contributes positively towards relationship satisfaction, stability, richness and growth. (3) this person has the confidence to be able to open themselves up to me, be vulnerable about who they are at t…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 08:03 AM
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So when you can afford to have high standards..... they are matching your value, and it is actually men who are not up to par?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 07:30 AM
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You should know what the things you say are based on and not delude yourself into thinking that the world should change to make your status anxiety more bearable.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 05:39 AM
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There are no high standards. 72% of men aged 30-45 are in committed relationships with women. And of the rest, most have also been in committed relationships with women at other points in their life than "currently". How would that be possible, if women had high standards? How is everyone able to meet high standards? Changing standards also does not require delayed gratification.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/25 05:29 AM
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The point stands: what is the problem of Steve's wife having fucked the guy with the big dick? If you are not super insecure about exes and dick size?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 09:12 PM
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You know Steve's wife as been around. You know that guy with a huge dick that's fucking all those women? Yeah she was a side piece in his haram for months right before meeting Steve... That's the type of women he's settling for haha, Steve's big dick's leftovers." Never heard anything like that in my life. And i also do not see men with huge dicks fucking all the women. Studies don't have that as well. Are you maybe imagining something here? Is that part of your insecurities?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 06:54 PM
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How does anything you say show that women are not the less aggressive sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 06:51 PM
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That mean's you're cooked, right? What next?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 06:31 PM
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It would help men find relationships, if men actually DID increase their mate value and their social skills, the frequency they interact with women, the number of friends and social activities they do with age appropriate, mixed sexes, singles who are open to approaches. If they stopped gaming, porn, social media, living at home with their parents. If they started taking drugs like their parents did. If they took risks isntead of being anxious. If men actually were PROACTIVE about their dating l…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 06:06 PM
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If standards are invisible, success is based on luck, status, money, or looks, not skill Success is based on all of that AND skill. Lacking the social skill will heavily reduce your chances. Standards are not invisible. That is the whole point of social skills. They only appear invisible to the deficient one. Telling someone to “just take risks” ignores cost asymmetry. When a man misreads a signal, he risks public humiliation or reputation damage, when a woman does, the social consequences are m…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 05:57 PM
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Wait, how is a statistic about having had sex reflective of the dating market being worse? How about lifestyle changes and people just don't want to have sex or don't get into situations that facilitates having sex? There are studies on that and they identified: gaming, porn, social media dopamine loops, living at home and reduced or lack of drug use as the key factors that are responsible for this generation's lower number of sex partners/sexual activity. People are doing that to themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 05:30 PM
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Chatpgt is not going to help you here buddy. Learn to fight your battles yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 05:03 PM
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Be more successful with women? Get to 10-12% bodyfat. Get moderately muscular. Learn social skills, act more like extraverts, learn emotional intelligence skills, become more confident, learn to be a good flirt, take risks. That will make you more successful with women, guaranteed. Why are men not doing that? Because in the end, you need to do something that is not fun to most, goes against desires and requires long term thinking and delayed gratification. There are many more ways to become more…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 05:03 PM
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The idea that “failing to meet an invisible standard means you’re bad at dating” is circular. The entire point of “invisible standards” is that they shift without warning, punishing men not for lacking skill, but for failing to read minds. Being unable to understand social norms, not understanding the shifting standards, is what is making someone bad at dating. The reason is this lack of this skill/ability. Other people CAN navigate the shifting invisible standards. Read about mating intelligenc…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 04:48 PM
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Cognitive overload and erosion of epistemic norms: Flooding the information space with contradictory claims, conspiracy cues, or moral outrage to exhaust analytical capacity and make emotional shortcuts dominant. Delegitimizing institutions of verification (press, academia, judiciary) to monopolize interpretive authority. 6. Ritualization and belonging: Transformation of followers into participants of a quasi-religious collective identity through chants, slogans, symbolic colors, and shared pers…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 04:31 PM
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Demagoguery is a political and psychological technique of mass manipulation through affective mobilization and cognitive simplification. Its core function is not persuasion by reason, but arousal of emotion to suspend rational scrutiny and generate collective identity through conflict. Key aspects and instruments: Emotional priming: Activation of fear, resentment, pride, or humiliation to override analytical processing. Exploitation of uncertainty or perceived threat to induce amygdala-dominant …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 04:30 PM
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Because old men understand that what is red pill currently on social media/youtube/reddit, has nothing to do with the "truth about human mating/female nature/gender dynamics/etc" but is just ideological charlatanery, circlejerking, confirmation bias, cherry picking, conservative value driven, ragebait, scapegoating, and telling inexperienced, easy to delude young men that there is nothing wrong with them, they are part of "averege men" who SHOULD have a fantastic sex and relationship life, but <…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 04:29 PM
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Why don't you approach women of lesser mate value than the ones you did approach? You obviously can't believe that a sample of 30+ women, who might have been above your league, or your approach was bad, or your confidence low, would be a good indicator that "you are just not what women want". Change your approach, improve self esteem, for example by going for women who you regard as way below your mate value, just to have a positive feedback and feel that you are desired for once.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 04:11 PM
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What do you hear from people regarding how they see love and romantic relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 04:05 PM
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you admitted there’s a narrow, invisible standard men are supposed to magically meet. That’s not clarity, that’s a trap. If you have problems meeting that standard, you are an outlier and bad at things that are crucial for dating, or a teenager and to anxious to try yourself out and learn in the process. It's not a fucking trap to need social skills and an understanding of who is of roughly your mate value. It's absolutely BASIC to humans, except the mentioned outliers who struggle with that. If…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 03:55 PM
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You can date hedonistically by being upfront about your intentions, commitment, emotional investment, etc. But i agree, an OPTIMIZED hedonistic dating strategy will deceive and manipulate to better achieve goals. What i don't get in your argument, is the talk about the boring beta she marries or the wife he puts all effort in. That is not part of hedonistic dating anymore. Same with orbiters or friendzoned guys. They have been rejected and she is not sexually or romantically dating them. They ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 03:33 PM
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Stop living in an online world where you listen to what people say on social media and just do what you want in real life. Why the fuck do you care so much about being everybodies darling? Or even assume that people tell the truth on social media, instead of virtue signalling and oppression olympics? Man, how can you be more niceguy than to refrain from approaching the people you find attractive, because you heard on the internet that some people complained about that. Women overwhelmingly react…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 02:32 PM
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"We already know the answer" and "you have to finally admit this"... what a way to think in a "be open abound changing your mind" debate forum. You are an ideologist. You have no evidence for your claims, other than other ideologists circlejerking to it. Instead, you just KNOW that all the women who tell you otherwise are LYING! The fuck man Sexual desire has very little to do with physical attraction, especially in women. You are thinking with a male perspective about this, unable to take that …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 02:23 PM
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Do you have a girlfriend? Do you want one? What does your libido make you DO regarding sexual relief? I was speaking in a general "you" way, not addressing you personally. Averages are averages.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 02:09 PM
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He admitted to me that he feels that his wife doesn't "truly" desire him because he doesn't provide, and she's not in her "feminine energy". People feel a lot of things and feelings are fleeting and not a representation of reality. Don't trust what you feel. If he doesn't talk with her about that and gets it from her mouth, I don't think that is a basis for us to discuss or him to be convinced of. Social media shows people what gets them emotionally involved, mostly negative, like insecurity, fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 01:01 PM
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There is a gigantic market for that kind of love but it is not really relevant? Relevant for what?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 05:53 AM
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Studies don't ask about the age of the partner and not about situationships. This is about committed relationships/steady partners, which is what we talk about when we say "single", and bring stats for it. We don't know about all other types of casual relationships
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/25 05:52 AM
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A math that includes the average age gap, so we compare the groups who are mating. You know, just like we don't compare young men with old women regarding relationship status
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 04:55 PM
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There is no study that includes situationships. ? What? A relatively large percentage of women aged 18-29 are in relationships with men who are older than 29.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 04:54 PM
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No study includes this. Work with what we have
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 04:51 PM
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Sure, that's why that kind of love makes up large percentages of media.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 04:51 PM
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General social survey of the USA
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 04:50 PM
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I want both
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 04:50 PM
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First study is about difference in short term dating between men and women, not about women's difference between short term and long term mates. Second study didn't say that this influences their mate choice. Third study: I am a fan of Geher and the mating intelligence concept. Have both books. But where is that evidence for your claims? Fourth study is just about the tradeoff being present, not about what kind of distribution women pick preferably. Every combination of Mating effort x genetic q…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/25 04:11 PM
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First, men are not a monolith. Some men care more others care less about a woman's income and career. Second, there is an overestimation of how little income and career matter for mate value in women for men. Just as there is an overestimation by women, how much income and career matter. What people SAY they prefer is not what they DO. This has been well studied and stereotypes are likely a cause of it. "i am a man and men just care about looks".. Third, i see the problem you describe more in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 03:25 PM
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that is how single is defined. The PEW study also has "committed romantic relationship", not just any romantic relationship, or lack of any partner. It was also about a lack of a stable partner. You can say the same about men. They might also just have casual relationships. Don't speculate, bring data or take the data we have as the basis for the discussions. Gen Z ARE pairing up outside their cohort as well. The math is mathing. The data does not point to unstable situationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 03:01 PM
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What are you referring to, your response doesn't connect for me
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 02:11 PM
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He is not red pilled, if red pill means knowing the truth about human mating. He is just following a differently labeled delusion about reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 12:06 PM
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Being a good gf/wife means pulling bisexual women on nights out and luring them back into our bedroom. Everyone knows that!
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 10:58 AM
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men are not a monolith. They do not take responisbility as a monolith. If you fucked something up, then you take responsibility, I only take responsibility for my own actions and if i can avoid that without consequences, i sometimes even do that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 10:18 AM
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I wasn't stating that you should fuck a guy out of altruism because it will benefit you somehow. It's the guys job who wants to have sex, to get a woman to want to have sex with him.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 10:11 AM
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No, and there is also no problem in people having less casual sex or sex partners. It's not as what previous generations did is the gold standard. Also, if someone WANTS to have more sex, the data is in now. We know what things to do to drastically increases the chances of having new sex partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 10:09 AM
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No, she said she wouldn't have settled for just casual sex with him, she wanted more than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 08:17 AM
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A simple google search would show you that you are wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 08:10 AM
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It was not a statement of "let women do science INSTEAD of men", but "in addition to men". So you are wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 08:10 AM
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Mostly, helping the group IS of benefit to oneself. That is how altruism evolved.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 08:05 AM
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Current generation having fewer sex partners or sexual encounters has been studied. Results are in: it's gaming, living with parents, not taking enough drugs/alcohol. Go figure. My rate of having new sex partners went up dramatically when i stopped gaming and started taking drugs socially, and when i started having a nice inner city apartment of my own.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 08:03 AM
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no that is not at all what the data says.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 08:00 AM
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Stats DO show this. Where are your stats?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 08:00 AM
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And most of the men aged 18-29 are in committed relationships currently. Many more so have been or will be again. I posted the data as a comment already. Deal with that
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 07:59 AM
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<image> For the age (30-45) where settling down into committed LTR, cohabitating, marriage, building families is relevant, most men and women are in those relationships. THis is only a snapshot and doesn't mean that the 26% of men who currently were not in a LTR, are so at no point in that age bracket timeframe, or that they haven't been in LTR before. THere is nothing about the voluntarily or involuntarily singleness. From other studies we know, that about half of singles are so intentionally. …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 07:56 AM
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You should spend more time reading science on what actually happens in mating/dating, instead of basing your views on constructs you build from the ramblings of frustrated teenagers who are biased as fuck. Or from "fresh and fit" type videos with ideologically blind people pushing narratives that fit their views based on misunderstanding or willfully misusing data/science. There were a few top males with large harems and all the lower status men died without reproducing No. https://nuancepill.su…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 07:44 AM
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The idealistic view of love, that people put in their heads and shape however they want. It’s love as metaphysical unity rather than as mating, lineage, or status bond. The Romantic conception detaches love from utilitarian or biological function and elevates it into a form of spiritual revelation. Central features: Transcendence of flesh: Romantic love seeks the infinite through the finite beloved. The body becomes symbol rather than object; desire is spiritualized, not denied but reinterpreted…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 07:10 AM
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it’s just the manifestation of their genes not being selected by women for casual sex. So do you think that there is a cutoff point after which the manifestation of a man's genes is just not selected for casual sex? Where does this point lie?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 06:59 AM
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Your first sentence is proof that most men won’t do it demeaningly in front of their face I think you missed you dropped your college education if you think what i do personally is proof of what men do generally. if a woman expresses her past and she was a slut or what ever and a man doesn’t like that he has every right to voice his opinion as long as it’s not demeaning to the woman This is not a topic of "having the right". It's about understanding why expressing moral judgments and insults is …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 06:57 AM
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I’m here to defend a biological fact: testosterone drives libido, and men have far more of it than women. I am a biologist and i do agree, not that science requires me to agree to make something true. Why do you think that is something you need to defend against me? Please, i use chatgpt just as much as you do, but now you are just lazily putting in our comments and giving me a reply that is just as hallucinated. Sure, it's a testable hypothesis and you need to provide the test and the result. J…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 06:50 AM
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No, are you a blind ideologue that bases his views on what some angry incels claim, or do you base your views on actual studied relationships and behavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 06:42 AM
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You are the one lacking eviedence while making claims and using "there are studies" as a way to, in your perception, win this argument. Then you block the other user, when you realize you can't win by just claiming things. How is that for a concession?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 06:35 AM
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Absolutely. Op is just trying to get a gotcha by putting suggestions out, hoping someone bites, and then twisting the words to his needs. He doesn't even answer all the comments that say things that oppose what he wants to get out of this.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 06:03 AM
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Yes, objectification happens every day and has a reason. We couldn't operate if we didn't objectify to reduce interactions to the part that is relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 06:01 AM
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Link the study please, I can't find it
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 05:59 AM
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There is no desirability scale and you have to be this tall to ride. It's not about genes. I thought black pill views are prohibited
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 05:58 AM
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Nope, we love it when you just want sex and discard us then
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 05:48 AM
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No, we love that. It's female projection that we don't want to be used as fuck toys and then discarded
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 05:46 AM
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The husband didn't have to court for sex but for the relationship. Courting for casual sex would be the opposite of casual. You are hinting at the view that the husband would not have gotten casual sex with her which is unfounded.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/25 05:44 AM
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I need women because that is my biology as a heterosexual man with a sex drive. Romantic love (the biological one) happens without my control. Once i love a woman, that love will make me do all kinds of things, but most importantly deeply bond with her and view her as the most precious in my life next to myself. I have no choice in all of that. Evolution has made men want/need women by sexual selection and natural selection. I do not view women better or worsen than men. They are different, have…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 05:15 PM
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It’s no secret anymore; men tend to be structurally disadvantaged in dating. I’ve recently read an article that used statistics that confirm this: the majority of young men is single, while the majority of young women is coupled. For the most up to date data, 2024 GSS, there was a higher percentage of single young women in the sample, than young men. So, is the problem solved? Where the hell are we even supposed to meet a partner, when we are ready for one for instance? If you cannot figure that…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 05:07 PM
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Are you always that naive? Men, on average, are just as dishonest about those things as women. Less manipulative, more physically confrontative to solve their problems/get to their goals. In this case, there are clear incentives to pretend to have low standards for committed mates. Look at the data. Men don't commit to women way below them on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 04:53 PM
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I have called women a slut to their face. While having sex with them, as part of a mutual kink/dirty talk. I have called women sluts to their face as a compliment and jokingly. I have never done it as an insult. I have never met a man who wouldn't date a woman because of her past. I do not have any men with those values or those insecurities in my social circle. Other than that, i have heard teenagers and arab immigrants call women sluts in public, likely because their cultural background and so…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 04:50 PM
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Haven't you learned yet? Don't look at what people say, look at what they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 04:39 PM
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Well, they would, if the men who reject them would be of critical mass. That is how the world works. Men do what women select for the things men want, and women do what men select for the things women want. Overall and generally. But luckily, the incels and adjacent men are tiny percentages and too uncoordinated, that nothing they threaten "society" with has the power to change something.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 04:38 PM
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Some people like to find solitude in assigning their lack of success to something they cannot change about themselves and which is not inherently bad, but only a problem because someone else is morally bad in not valueing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 08:08 AM
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It's not about what someone thinks about your personality. What do you even think "personality" is ,that we are talking about here, that is relevant for dating success.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 08:05 AM
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No, that is not what i was talking about. Please, read something instead of just being ideological about it. Mere exposure effect.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 08:04 AM
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They absolutely do care about that. They only accept lower value mates for short term sexual relationships, not for committed long term relationships. They don't have to. They can get an equal mate.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 08:03 AM
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Try someone who is not famous. Like an incel with a big dick. Changes nothing
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 08:01 AM
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That is not at all how it works.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 07:58 AM
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yeah but we are not comparing YOU to WOMEN, we are comparing MEN to WOMEN. And basing that on anecdotes everyone just makes up on the spot to support their claims, isn't getting us anywhere in a debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 07:57 AM
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You would need to bring any kind of evidence for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/25 07:50 AM
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There is a lot of evidence that shows how people get attracted to other they spend lots of time with and get close. Mere exposure effect. Studies show that the longer a couple knew each other before becoming a romantic couple (so friends first), the lower correlation between their attractiveness levels. IIRC, past 9 months there was no more correlation.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 06:12 PM
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Why ask me? You have the real life evidence that unattractive people date each other. Everyone has options on their level. It's hard to get laid with someone who thinks you're ugly, but it's not hard to get laid when you are ugly. Or at least, ugly men fuck about as many women on average as attractive ones. As I said, weak correlation
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 06:03 PM
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Understandable. Would probably see it similarly. Red pill is about the truth. The truth is that attractiveness is important to determine how attractive your sex partners can be, on average. Not important to determine if you have sex, on average. You would expect to see studies that show how attractive men have way more sex partners on average than unattractive men. They don't. Believing in something else about attractiveness is not red pill but believing lies,.mostly because you want to. That is…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 06:00 PM
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https://nuancepill.substack.com/p/does-height-affect-mens-reproductive https://nuancepill.substack.com/p/is-inceldom-really-determined-by-mms-of-bone https://nuancepill.substack.com/p/do-looks-matter-in-dating https://nuancepill.substack.com/p/does-height-affect-mens-relationship https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886921007546 https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2024-24503-001 Attractiveness mediates how attractive your partners are, but not if you have them or don't have them…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 05:51 PM
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That is not the important part though. It's your perception of it that counts. If you thought of yourself as a catch and acted accordingly towards women of your mate level, you could have a girlfriend. There are women with non-existent mate value. Those are your dating pool. Don't want them? So, what is the problem? You don't want someone on your level. You don't want someone on the level you can improve to. So you are happier single than with a woman you could get. Best case scenario for you. U…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 05:37 PM
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So then you must be arguing that there is no difference in the physical abilities of men and women. Can I just get you to say those exact words? No, but there seems to be an ideological issue with you that prevents you from understanding what i say. I say: the requirements of the test do not exclude any woman or man from the job, based on physiological potential ability. It only restricts men and women whose actual ability (due to untrained/overweight) is lower than the requirement. Sex does not…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 05:31 PM
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That is one of the main personality traits that predicts being single in men:. View of own mate value as low
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 05:20 PM
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You haven't dealt with my argument about men who don't/can't orgasm, still being into having sex, still having a desire for sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 05:19 PM
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Please, bring a source that supports that claim. I am happy to change my view in the face of evidence
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 05:18 PM
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Well, sex partner count only weakly correlated with attractiveness. Height only weakly correlated with sex partner count. Attractiveness does not predict relationship status. Meanwhile, personality traits correlate/predict all of that to a high degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 05:17 PM
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And you should know that your personal experience does not matter in the grand scheme of things. You are one data point. Or one biased observer.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 05:14 PM
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Look at how women behave: penis size does not correlate with anything. Not single status of hetero men, not number of sex partners of hetero men, not sexual satisfaction of women. Penis size was never even something women knew before having sex with me. This alone should tell you what is and isn't important to women. If they do not even check for penis size before getting into bed, now important can it be?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 05:13 PM
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All studies point to personality being the main thing affecting dating succes. maybe stop the gaslighting about it not having any relation.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 04:25 PM
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Don't care about what?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 04:22 PM
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First, i argue that women will not be excluded because they can't pass the test based on their sex. The limits are so low, that it's a function of body composition and training status, not of biological potential. I have no idea about the body composition and training status of the american soldiers. I am not american and i haven't been to the army. I just did the 28 pushups for 20yos in half the time, as a 41yo who is currently sick at home with a cold. A woman who wants to be in a combat role …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 04:21 PM
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Great, that still is not a limit for women based on their biology and still only a training status issue. Maybe you focus on arguing why this would lead to less % of women instead of just less fatties
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 03:55 PM
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Men wouldn’t want sex if they never orgasmed from it. Based on WHAT?! It's not true just because you say it is. I just told you that i personally want to have sex even when i know i will not be able to orgasm from it. You hold beliefs just because you want to, instead of doing some research and seeing what is actually true: There are men who cannot orgasm or do so very rarely. They do not report or show no interest in sex. "The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 5th edition, …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 03:47 PM
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That IS my argument
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 03:32 PM
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Maybe because people have realized, that the requirements in the fitness test are so low, that women are not excluded for biological limitations, but also, just like men, for lack of physical fitness. 3 reps of 150 lbs deadlift is enough. 15 hand-release push-ups within 2 minutes Planking for 1:30 min Running 2 miles in less than 20 minutes Sprint/Drag/carry , carry 2x 40lbs kettle bells, drag 90 lbs for 50 meters, etc. in total less than 2:28min https://www.army.mil/e2/downloads/rv7/aft/AFT_Sco…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 03:29 PM
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That doesn't make anything they say be an RP-statement, nor right, nor is what they said a JUSTIFICATION. So you know it's trash and still do it? Absolutely. People use the reasoning to EXPLAIN their behavior, not JUSTIFY it. They still know it's wrong, they just understand why they do it depsite it being wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 02:51 PM
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threesomes: medium, as my gf also needs to be into her, but not too high, to make her feel the other woman might be a threat. FWB: really depends on what i am in it for. Right now, my fwb is so far away from a possible gf, that i do not even want to get seen with her. But i could also imagine a fwb with a girl that could also be my gf.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 02:23 PM
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I let chatgpt write my explanation, yes. Anyway, look up fresh and fit. They literally shit like a man can cheat and that you should accept it because men and women are different. A channel with a business concept of being ragebait is hardly the standard when it comes to if and what people take as a justification for cheating. All of their sphere outright says they cheat bc men and women are different. That is EXPLANATION, not JUSTIFICATION. Dude, you are really not understanding what the differ…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 01:49 PM
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How do you decide if they are dating down or not? If you say they could do better if they just improved, doesn't that mean that in their currently unimproved state, the people they date are actually their equals, rather than dating down? You assume a future, theoretically higher mate value, which would put their current partner at below them. This is not how we judge if they are currently dating down or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 10:58 AM
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Sex is not about orgasms. Please, don't be ridiculous. Men get an immensely high brain reward system output just for having a new sex partner, no orgasm required. You are reducing your own ability to enjoy sex with that limiting and false mindset. And you doing a disservice to women here. No doubt about penetration feeling meh for lots of women. That is besides the point. Sex is way more than what happens at nerve endings in the genitals.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 10:56 AM
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I acknowledged that. Sex is better for men on average, but not to the degree that the discussion is about. It helps to overstate how uninterested someone is in sex, to get a better deal of making it available. We do that with any kind of discrepancy of needs or supply/demand. The moment i realize someone is REALLY interested in buying my used <item>, i will say how it's really hard for me to let go of it and that it has so much emotional value to me. This drives up the price i will get in the en…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 10:32 AM
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Ability to enjoy or even desire for casual sex, and what people get out of it for what reasons is highly variable. Look at sociosexuality as a starter and then at what having new sex partners of any quality can do to some men's self esteem and ego. I for one, am a more is more kind of guy. I have a committed relationship, a ongoing FWB, occasional ONS with new women, and in addition threesomes with my gf and other women. It feels good wanting that and having that. I am not missing out on "fine d…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 10:20 AM
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Except mating is not a chance to hit the jackpot if you keep looking. Black jack is not a market. If you get a 2 and get 21 or not does not depend on your market value. You couldn't be more wrong. You don't see a homeless person with a millionaire, because they didn't stop at 19 but lucked out and drew a 2. Dating down is not defined by the discrepancy between what someone wishes to get and what they accepted in the end, but what someone is able to get and what someone accepted.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 09:57 AM
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People are not dating down. That is a fairy tale. Neither men nor women do that. Mating markets lead to matching value partners. There is never a need to mate with someone who is less value than YOU COULD GET.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 08:35 AM
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But that's definitely not the stance of everyone that says it. All i am asking for, is that you give me evidence for people JUSTIFYING cheating with the argument that sex and emotion can be separate for men. So it really is your problem of understanding the difference. Let me help you: Justification and explanation differ in function, moral stance, and epistemic goal. Function Justification seeks to defend a behavior—arguing that it was right, acceptable, or at least not blameworthy under the ci…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 08:33 AM
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My experience is, that evidence does not convince people here, if they held a differing opinion going into the debate. The people who are not ideologically opposed to my claim, will not require evidence, for the same reason. Did you change your mind, after i posted the evidence?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 08:25 AM
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So you critique my data because of unclear definitions and then post your data with the same problem of unclear definitions. Great!
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 08:22 AM
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So what? You don't need to be in a relationship with the majority of women in america. You can be in a relationship with a woman who doesn't expect traditionalism. My mom was a housewife since i was born. So what? All relationships i had in my life were 50/50, non-traditional. No woman i ever went on a date with expected traditionalism out of me. Never paid for a woman on a first date. Why do you need the majority of women to be like that? Isn't it enough that there are women you can date who do…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 08:14 AM
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WHat makes you think the average guy has too low standards?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 08:09 AM
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Or maybe, just maybe, it's a way to have greater power over men. Making sex available to men is the great leverage point that women have. Restricting access to it means men have to give women more of what they want in return for granting access to sex. On average, men want sex more than women, this is without a doubt established in the scientific literature. This gives women power. Now, if you would go around and say how much you enjoy sex, what kind of signal would that send to men? "Why are we…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/25 08:06 AM
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I gave you the source and you responded with "lmfao". That doesn't make sense, if that is really you issue with people dropping statistics
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:03 PM
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Right, and dick size has no biological effect on reproductive success that comes even close to the amount of obesession men have over it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 04:33 PM
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DId you read and understand what i just said? It's not a problem that those are online dating studies. It's actually a beneficial circumstance for hte topic we discuss.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 04:07 PM
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So, then what are "legal under any", and "legal under certain" conditions?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 04:06 PM
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Something being there since the beginning of time doesn't mean it's biological. Slavery was there since the beginning of time. We could probably end the obsession with dick size if we kept it out of discourse for 50 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 04:04 PM
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Definitely, you are in high demand for a subgroup of men. Niche-maxxing is the name of the game, i think
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 03:57 PM
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So you agree there is no biological foundation to be worried about dick size?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 03:00 PM
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And i tell you that you should read them, to see that what the studies study is actually a better singal for what we talk about, than what people do in real life dating decisions. And you would understand that, if you read the studies
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 02:58 PM
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<image> Not according to this. Alright, about Jehovahs and mormons, but they only make up a combined 2.5% of the population.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 02:55 PM
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i don't understand the metaphor you are trying to paint here
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 02:46 PM
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You know, when i am grabbing a hot dog at the stadium, it's not my intention to have a fine dining experience. I can have the satisfaction from having new and diverse sex partners, most of which would not make the cut for girlfriend material, for various reasons, AND at the same time, still having repeated sex with high quality (girlfriend material) women whom i get to bond with, gather experiences, attune to each other's likes etc, to have a fulfilling sex life regarding that aspect.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 02:07 PM
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You should read them. They address this context for what i use the studies for.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 01:50 PM
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So dickpill is just another delusion of insecure men?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 01:48 PM
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Yeah, the men are also not happy that the girls want to be a passenger princess. Both are not successful in mating as passenger princesses.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 12:40 PM
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Again men why did you make a big deal about abortion then back down ? Men are overwhelmingly in favor of abortion. Holy fuck, it's our only way to make up for bad horny decisions and accidents. In fact, the line between being for or gainst legal abortion in all/most cases isn't drawn along gender. Also, please, this is an international sub. The US is basically the only country in the world which goes into a backwards direction regarding legality of abortion. This is not about men. This is not ev…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 12:34 PM
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What do you mean by "report anything back"? Correct me if i am wrong: The studies took data from behavior of people on dating apps. Nobody reported anything to the study authors. Nobody chose to be in this study. Nobody opted in or out, based on anything. It was not known to those people, that their activity on the app would be analyzed in a study later.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 12:20 PM
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that is what i said. It has a negative effect to think bad about everyone who offers a drink to you. You need to add that to your calculation, if you want to apply game theory. Seems like you are security optimizing at the cost of mental health. Fine. You choose the dominant strategy, not the best strategy, with the highest payout. What you should do, to optimize payout, is to tell people you are a virgin, when it becomes relevant and they are not punishing you for it. A cooperate first, adapt t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 12:16 PM
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That is an oversimplified game theoretic pay-off matrix. The benefits of revealing it but not getting shamed for it, is that you change how you think about your virginity and how you think others think about you. It's supports being confident in your own skin, knowing that who and what you are is accepted by society and not shamed. It changes your internal monologue which affects your behavior. You are crippling yoruself by hiding it, out of fear that something bad might happen. So I don't have …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 11:16 AM
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There is even a niche for that. That niche is filled with masculine women, who want to be the male role in mating. But sadly, there are (1) way more men who want to be the female role, than there are women who want to be the male role and are into men who want to be the female role, and (2) some of those female role men, don't actually want masculine women. They just want to skip the approaching and competing part of their role. There is an overall trend of young men becoming less assertive and …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 11:12 AM
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Dickpill is the understanding that dicksize does not matter outside of the very extreme ends of the spectrum? Like waking up to the reality of unimporance of 98% of dick sizes?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 11:04 AM
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Where is the biological foundation to that?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 11:03 AM
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I can't and people who read this probably also can't. So if you want to have your superior understanding of those studies count for anything, please explain how your critique applies and what it means for the results we got.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 10:56 AM
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Please, go deeper how this criticism affects the studies i posted
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 10:09 AM
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You are listening to a one-sided group of women. Likely on social media. so you look for the stuff that triggers you, avoiding all the wome who would say other things. And even when people here tell you that you can just get a girlfriend who doesn't expect traditionalism, you will not accept that. So what are you here for?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 10:06 AM
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You remain the only MVP commenter in this sub
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 09:56 AM
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That is more reflective of the virgin's views about his virginity, not about what other people think of late age virgins or what they are willing to throw at the virgins direction in terms of attacks. Really, nobody cares if you are a virgin, with regards to insulting you
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 09:53 AM
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To be the woman in the equation. Absolutely. Finally, something i can agree with you. The core issue of a lot of the unsuccessful men out here, is that they want to be the woman in human mating dynamics, or try an leverage current social justice/gender equality thoughts, to change human mating dynamics to be the same for both sexes. Likely, for the reason that they are not comoetitive with other men and that's their way of not even trying to compete.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 09:50 AM
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You just described why they are repulsed. Men won't see a tall woman and go "ewww would never smash". Would never marry, is the metric you need to look at. We know that men have wider standards for ONS. I fucked dozens of women i would not even consider to be in a relationship with, for being so repulsed by them, for being too stupid, too fat, too tall, too high up the corporate ladder, etc. And where are these studies that show educated women are less desirable? https://ar5iv.labs.arxiv.org/htm…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 09:43 AM
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Can any men here testify to this happening Not in real life beyond highschool. In real life, nobody, past highschool, knows about your virgin status, nobody assumes you could be a virgin, and it frankly also doesn't matter to anyone you are not sexually or romantically involved. Nobody gets into name calling fights with random people and calls them virgin, in an attempt to hit an insecurity. It would reflect negatively on the person, to use such an immature attack, pointing to issues within the …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 09:15 AM
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Let's agree that "i don't know any woman..." kind of arguments based on anecdotes are not winning debates. This idea that there is a huge cohort of men that is outright repulsed by professional women is delusional. Well we have experimental studies that show how desirability of women drops with increasing educational attainment and that the opposite is true for men. We have studies that show mate preferences that go in the direction of women and men preferring it if that man has higher earning/j…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 08:59 AM
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There yo go, what? It's up to date, it's concerning the generally used background of the USA, it's actually representative sampling,. .. it does not get better than this, to get an idea about what people of that age, who currently live in the US are doing regarding relationships and cohabitating. What is your issue?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 08:01 AM
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Maybe you have a problem of understanding the difference of "justifying" and "explaining"? Does that clear it up?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 07:59 AM
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why do you guys say that it’s ok to do these things but genuinely get upset when people judge you for said decisions if it’s something you like doing why does it bother you so much? Because it's a moral and value judgement of someone else. It's not like "i don't like to commit to a woman who enjoys casual sex". It's "you are a dirty whore and not worth anything" Imagine, if you are into watching anime and someone would say: I don't want to have a partner that watches anime. I will screen for tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 07:55 AM
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Advice would be: go to therapy to help overcome your insecurities. Build your confidence and learn to be resilient towards negative judgment from others. Address your fears, traumas and mostly, your world view, that is the basis for your values and how you can be hurt. Insecurity weighs heavier on a man's mate value, than a woman's. Because guess what, confidence is sexy and important in men, but way less important in women. Men get devalued when they show a lack of confidence and competence. No…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 07:27 AM
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Higher standards mean less sex partners. Why would one do that if one wants to have more sex partners? This seems like a "i want Chads to have higher standards, to he doesn't sleep with all the women and they need to come to me, if they want to have sex" kind of approach.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 07:09 AM
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men supposedly have no standards and will sleep with any non-fat woman. I find this amusing because it doesn’t match what I see around me -- only the top 30-40% of women seem to get most men’s attention or attraction. You live in India, as afar as i know. Maybe what you see around you is not what we are talking about here, as the reference is mostly US, sometimes WEIRD countries. Also, 40% getting MOST of the attention is in no contradiction with "sleeping with any non-fat woman". For one, becau…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 07:08 AM
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None of the major (known to me) subgroups of the manosphere has a problem with women saying they like attractive men. That is a no brainer. Men like attractive men. Men like attractive women. Children like attractive adults. That is just our biology. Now, when it comes to "lowering standards", that is not with respect to what someone likes, but with respect to what someone accepts as a partner. We obviously cannot all be in relationships with attractive people of the other sex. Since everyone wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/25 06:56 AM
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in the general social survey of the USA, combined survey data of 2018-2024. You can do the analysis yourself. https://gssdataexplorer.norc.org/ <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 06:50 PM
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yeah but we are talking about now.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 06:48 PM
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Why lie? Because it works. And because people tend to forgive lies once they are emotionally invested/bonded. Because it's worth it, even if it comes out. Goes for anyone, not just women lying about their past. Also men lying about their status, wealth, education, age, intentions, friends, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 04:40 PM
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why do you ask a subset of women on a biased subreddit about their biased perception of the attractiveness and dating life of other people, to draw conclusions about reality from that? This is so prone to error that you wouldn't build a pancake recipe from that method if you wanted to cook some. There are published studies on that topic. scholar.google.com you can do it, i believe in you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 04:34 PM
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I am not blue pilled. Everything i just said is opposite to blue pill: making availability and quality of women who want to be with my depending on my "mate value".
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 04:12 PM
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Your country, India, is not the background against which we discuss dynamics in this sub. And if YOU think something is wrong about men dating women that could be their daughters, i have bad news regarding your flair. Those biologically based attractions are core red pill and core reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 02:53 PM
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That is data from 2024. Genz men are not at marriage and settling down age yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 11:56 AM
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Argue why it is false and silly. we know that 20yo women are the most desired age by all men, on average. 20yo men are not the most desired by all women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 11:55 AM
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No, i wouldn't. Luckily, i am in a position to be able to get girls who are very attractive, both physically and personality-wise AND who cannot get enough of giving oral sex. If i had to sacrifice something as part of having lower mate value myself, i'd reduce her physical and personality attractiveness levels down to whatever allows me to "shop for" being super into sex with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 11:50 AM
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So you agree that money doesn't guarantee happiness. Thanks for coming around and changed your mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 11:47 AM
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So you also agree that attractiveness is objective? Never seen that in a woman here.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 11:45 AM
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But it's fact. Men and women both overestimate their attractiveness compared to how other men or other women rate them. And men overestimate their attractiveness by more than women do their's, on average. That is evolutionariily beneficial to men. It's an adaptation, a feature not a bug. I don't get why people are so hung up about it. Unless you look at extreme cases of vast overestimation, which are are, there is no problem associated with overestimating your attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 11:44 AM
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but there are countless men in marriages with women who are not attracted to them. It is very obvious to me, from the outside, but these men find all sorts of excuses to avoid facing the fact that these women aren't attracted to them. 74% of men aged 30-45 being in committed relationships, most of them married, is a clear sign that they understood their league. "Countless" is a very weak descriptor if you want to argue your point. Especially if you have zero evidence for that, other than "to me …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 11:40 AM
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No, average desirability changes over time. On average, men become more desirable than women after 30, in some experimental studies. No the dating market is not lopsided in favor of women. It's lopsided in favor of very desirable men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 11:17 AM
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Red pill is about the truth. Show me where what i said isn't the truth. My analyses of mate value are core red pill and mating science.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 11:09 AM
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That is not how it works, even if you want it to
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 09:46 AM
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And what is the reason for genz men having lowest sex rates? The studies say: living with parents, gaming, less alcohol and drugs. Same goes for genz women btw. Where is the polygyny in that?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 09:33 AM
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What percentage are we talking about here?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 09:32 AM
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How so? 74% of men aged 30-45 are currently in a committed relationship. Where is the polygyny?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 09:31 AM
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Who cares about the specific age? Well that was what my initial statement was about, that you had an issue with. So yes, the age is critical. Not having had sexual or romantic experience at 18 is absolutely normal. It's not at 22. Age matters. Especially those few years around beginning of adulthood. The times have changed, you can't possibly fathom how bad it is for younger men currently if you're an older man in your 30's or 40's. I can fathom it just as much as you can. We both have to rely o…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/25 08:05 AM
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hotness is not required.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 07:18 PM
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Alright, then from your source, we already have 54% of men having had a romantic relationship at age 19. That pretty much lines up with the virginity rate at age 19, which is from my graph about 40%, or 60% of men having had sexual experiences. So the sources both show about 55-60% romantic and sexual experiences/relationship at age 19. Now, how about age 22? What do your sources say for age 22? Why don't you think we can assume that when virginity rates decline from 40% to 20% in these 3 years …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 07:00 PM
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source? Or do you "feel" that fact?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 06:49 PM
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Leagues do not mean mutual attraction but just a probability for it
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 05:47 PM
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<image> About 20% of men and women have had no sexual experience at age 22. 44% of 15-17yos had romantic experience https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2015/10/01/basics-of-teen-romantic-relationships I think most sexual experiences at young age come with a romance setting, and for the cases that are not a combined thing, we have all the cases where there is just romance but no sex to make up for it. What speaks against about 80% of 22yo men having had both sexual experience and romantic experi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 05:45 PM
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I don't know if you can have a severe lack of empathy just by nurture. Good luck, dude
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 05:32 PM
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Being currently in a committed relationship is not the only way to have had sexual or romantic experience in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 05:23 PM
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Risk alone is not relevant. You would need to show that it's not worth it and that this is something people can accurately assess in the moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 12:47 PM
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You are just observing that in the attention economy, it's not only sex that sells, but it's anger that sells. People react to content that is shown to them because it makes them angry, frustrated, emotional, attacks their values, triggers their insecurities, etc. There's been much more public criticism of certain kinds of sexual behavior that maybe a 6-10 years ago wouldn't have made as much of a splash. More criticism for certain kinds of professional choices (like making OnlyFans content). Bo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 12:45 PM
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Intrasexual competition. You can either improve your relative mate value, or you can work at making others not improve their mate value. Keeping other men from becoming more threatening rivals is beneficial for oneself. Also, justification for not improving ones mate value with these tools and looking for confirmation for these beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 12:03 PM
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Maybe economic interest is not perceived as important as other perceived interests. Also, most people are either stupid or barely intelligent enough to understand any of those economic issues. What do you expect?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 11:25 AM
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How was that not obvious all the time? The amount of absolutely sub-average guys claiming they are average and look for women who are definitely above average on the mating market is through the roof in this sub. Reasons being, i think, that people mix up "average looks" with "average desirability in their dating pool". An average looking 20yo woman is not the same value as an average looking 20yo man. An average looking autistic man is not the same value an average looking neurotypical man. Aut…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 11:21 AM
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You are right about the error of both thinking that young women are the most desirable, and complaining that young women do not see young men as their equals. They are not, on average. Also, "Chads" get commitment from "Stacys".
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 11:16 AM
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what does "good looking" mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 11:10 AM
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You objectively measure by applying objective measurements and analysis. You can do that by hand or let AI help you. Dig into aesthetics, attractiveness and face science. Apply cultural modifiers when applicable. Dating app success is a bad proxy for your looks. Confounding factors are quality of your actual photos, job description, age preferences/own age, location, intentions, bio, etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 11:03 AM
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There are studies on that. Bullies have the greatest sexual and romantic success in school aged children and teenagers. Not talking about "rest of life". Although i see most men who are in their twenties and severely struggling with romance and sex, to have a being bullied past.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 10:49 AM
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Have you done tests for psychopathy?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 10:45 AM
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Part of mating intelligence is being able to accurately estimate your "league" (the people who are likely to be mutually interested mating partners) and adjust this assessment by experience and for changes in you/environment. Most people do not even think about it and that just happens subconsciously. Leagues are about probability of mutual interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 10:44 AM
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I don't think you understand what empathy is and mix it up with compassion and sympathy, or focus too much on empathetic concern/action. To begin, many western women have been conditioned by feminism and the woke mind virus to hate all men, To begin, what is "many"? Where do you get a number or percentage from, about how many women hate all men? Do you "feel" that number? Or what is is based on? The solution is not to cater to these women as leftism claims, but to actively attack and antagonize …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 10:37 AM
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But we have real life evidence, that you are not cooked (please, be more precise in what that should mean), when you are below 5 (again, be more precise). Increasing your mate value leads to higher mate value mates becoming available as potential partners and more lower value mates becoming options for casual encounters. 20$ per month is not nearly the equivalence of going from poor hygiene and style to being groomed, dressed and styled to the teeth. Also 20$ worth of rice will get you calories …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 10:08 AM
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no one else of the 300+ comments has denied that many women say shit like that all the time That is not evidence of it being correct. Logical fallacy. This is such a weird and random sidebar, not sure why you’re all worked up about it Because i don't think your core statement is correct, making all of your post collapse. I challenge you to show how your post has substance. You can't deliver, why? Every single woman i know has found or currently is in a relationship with a good man. Nobody ever c…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 09:57 AM
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no one else of the 300+ comments has denied that many women say shit like that all the time That is not evidence of it being correct. Logical fallacy. This is such a weird and random sidebar, not sure why you’re all worked up about it Because i don't think your core statement is correct, making all of your post collapse. I challenge you to show how your post has substance. You can't deliver, why? Every single woman i know has found or currently is in a relationship with a good man. Nobody ever c…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 09:57 AM
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The article you linked is also not about romantic loneliness. It's about being single. And the notion of loneliness is linking to a study about general loneliness, which does not even mention romantic relationships, as it defines loneliness (as is common): "Defined as the discrepancy between actual and desired social relationships". I did search for myself and i did not find anything about "romantic loneliness" and that being a declared and evidenced epidemic in men but not in women. Please, you…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 09:54 AM
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We all know that men tend to exaggerate their sexual activity while women tend to downplay it. "We all know" is suddenly a hard fact? You don't need proof of that? And this proof does also not come from self reports? :D Follow your own rules first, maybe Also, most sex happens in committed relationships, where frequencies of having sex are the same for the man and the woman. For non-relationship sex, or number of sex partners, we can use what men report on average as the upper limit. This takes …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 09:30 AM
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How is that "the truth". What is your evidence for that?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 09:23 AM
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I think the sexes fundamentally desire different traits in each other. Maturity being what women desire in men, and youthfulness is desired by men in women (on average). This is regardless of age and results in a problem at the lower end of mating ages. 18yo men desire 18yo women because they are youthful and attractive to them. But 18yo women, like older women as well, desire maturity, which 18yo men do not yet possess. Relative maturity is probably enough, so more mature than the woman. Yet, g…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 09:14 AM
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It's your job as an OP to read the comments in your thread and answer them. I have already proved you wrong and you are now just tapping out and trying to not lose face. You still have not shown that your core statement, that these topics or sentiments are COMMON in the population, is actually true. So i am still arguing about a very foundational element of your post. How about you give us some evidence that this is actually true?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 08:59 AM
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Sure, in 2024, more 18-29yo women were single than men. (in the GSS sample) When looking at the preferred average age gap adjusted demographics of 18-29yo women and 21-32yo men, they are, SURPRISE, single at the same rate. Rates of being in a committed relationship obviously do only give a lower boundary, where we can be reasonably sure, that those pairings exist, because they are attracted to each other. And since this is only a snapshot of a point in time, it also says nothing about if the peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 08:57 AM
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An "average man" with no sexual or relationship experience at age 21+ is not an average man. For everything below that age, inexperience is not that much of a problem. Any woman who is willing to be that hypothetical guy's girlfriend, is not "below" him, but right on his level. She might be desperate, but he is as well. It's a shame that this route has been forced upon men Oh, now it's the not-so-sublte nudge towards: if you would just fuck us, we wouldn't have to treat desperate women as practi…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/25 08:51 AM
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You are right, alpha widow theory does include that those women will engage with non-alphas in relationships but will not be satisfied by them. I applied a different interpretation, where the alpha widow state makes them uninterested in anything less than an alpha. "not settling for less" and thereby being pereptually single or flings of alphas. The argument that those men are betabuxx oofy-doofys who are about to get deadbedroomed is unfounded. It's a coping narrative to soothe the mind of men …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 05:52 PM
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Got no problem with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 05:47 PM
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Exactly, that is the truth about reality that we can measure in yearly census like surveys. I have done the GSS analyses myself. It doesn't get more red pilled than pointing to the hard facts about human mating and male sexual frequency/relationship rates. It's rather surprising, how so many people who claim they are red pill rather believe something someone in a social media video told them to get them angry, who had zero evidence for their claims, rather than actual data on the topic. (btw. if…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 05:46 PM
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You just have a very twisted view of what red pill is because the prominent figures with the largue audiences perverted the idea of red pill. Red pill is seeing hte truth. What is more true than most average men being in committed relationships? That is not even debateable.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 05:42 PM
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What is shallow about how i "see" women? I cannot choose what i am attracted to and i just told you that my emotional bond to my partner is likely enough that her physical decline will not have an effect on how much i love her and value her (just as that is with me for her). What Jeff Bezos or Keanu Reeves do doesn't interest me. They didn't choose what they are attracted to neither. How shallow of them to not be into 25yo women and exclude them for relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 05:41 PM
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People want to misundersand or misuse these things because they need confirmation for their beliefs and "arguments". The only thing we can do is constnatly correct them and hope others do not follow the ideologies based on those misrepresentations of reality
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 05:37 PM
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Bateman’s principle predicts that male reproductive success increases with more mating opportunities, while female reproductive success is limited by biology. When we shift from reproductive success (offspring count) to sexual success (frequency of sex, number of partners), the same asymmetry persists, but the outcomes get socially and culturally reshaped. How is female sexual success limited by biology? Frequency of sex and number of sex partners are mainly determined by libido and mating effor…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 05:26 PM
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Women are attracted to average men, as can be easily seen by 70% of men being in committed relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 04:22 PM
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Being in a relationship does not or only weakly correlate with attractiveness. Same with lifetime sex partner count. People mate with their equals. It's not necessary to "beat a 7". You just need to beat a 7 when you want to date a 7.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 04:21 PM
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They are not expected, they are advised if men want to be attractive to hotter women than they are currently attractive to.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 04:19 PM
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Looking around does disprove you. 70% of women being in relationships makes it impossible to be alpha widowed.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 04:11 PM
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Doesn't matter. You can improve his mate value and therefore the mate value in women he can regard as possible girlfriend options. I think this can go a long way for a "1" who would otherwise have to regard the least attractive of women as his equals.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 04:09 PM
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Taking showers and smelling and dressing nice does improve your mate value, if those are things you are not currently doing. that is a typical red pill self improvement issue. It doesnt guarantee anything and it doesnt make you suddenly more attractive than an already attractive guy, but it improves your mate value from your previous state. How is that bad advice? Women give that advice because some men have no sense for that, while they absolutely do understand going to the gym and making money…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 04:05 PM
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If you count reddit as social media, then you have the same issue of you being subscribed to this sub, reading the topics here (apparently), and this sub not being a representation of real ife. Even if those topics were common here, or in similar subs (which they are not), that would not say anything about the commonness regarding the general population. When you go to r/regretfulparents you will come to think that it's common to be a regretful parent. Duh. It's not. This is literally a common t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 03:49 PM
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WE are not let to believe anything. YOU are. Because it's in YOUR social media stream. It's not in mine. 0% representation of women talking about not finding a good man. Social media, and especially YOUR stream, is not a representation of reality. Your stream consists of things that get engagement from you some way or another and a major predictor of that are things that make you angry. So, if we would want to pull something from the commonness of women complaining about there being no good men …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 01:28 PM
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Not being able to find a good man is not a common issue. You seeing lots of posts about that on social media is not a sign of it being a common issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 09:27 AM
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That article is about introversion, not loneliness. Same thing applies to female introverts. Yes, something needs to be "official". And it's official that men and women are equally lonely. What is not official, is "romantic loneliness" being an issue. I haven't seen a single study about that subcategory of loneliness. Maybe you know more and can make it "official".
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 09:23 AM
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Then I am already bonded to her and will likely not see her like I see other 35yo women. That is the power of love and how it affects our perception of our partner. The bigger issue would be, is if I can fall in love with a 35+ yo woman, in case I become single again when I am 50+. And my hope for that case is, that a large age gap is enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/25 09:07 AM
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No, it is easy. Finding a man with no relationship experience who isn't picky is the problem
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 04:39 PM
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Nope, the reward is not coupled to the procreation, it's coupled with sex. Nothing gets tricked. It's working as evolved. Procreation is just a side product, for which, after it has happened and the baby is there, other hormones and emotional bonds take over.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 04:37 PM
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Sure, if i had no experience, i would also give a false resume. But my resume is painting me a quite desirable guy, both for relationships and short term sex, so there is nothing to lie about.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 02:08 PM
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Payback in any kind of way is not equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 01:31 PM
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All women wanted to know about my relationship history and i wanted to know about theirs. Maybe not when you are 21, but in my mid thirties, that shit does tell you a lot about what you are getting yourself into.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 01:29 PM
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How is that about equality?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 01:28 PM
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No, equality isn't measure in historical context. Equality is about now.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 12:38 PM
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Yeah, maybe date women who can't be picky about that. You know, equal value ones. Your relationship experience is part of your value.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 12:37 PM
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Other factors play a role in them feeling lonely its not because they cant find a man. That also applies to men. Loneliness is not about romantic loneliness exclusively. I just looked it up there is no universally declared loneliness epidemic for women. https://news.gallup.com/poll/646718/people-worldwide-feel-lonely-lot.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/690788/younger-men-among-loneliest-west.aspx https://news.gallup.com/opinion/gallup/512618/almost-quarter-world-feels-lonely.aspx you wouldn't …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 12:34 PM
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So who is actually hurt by porn? Men, because they now will not be able to find a woman who comes close to what they are used to seeing. Women can still just be with the guys who still have realistic expectations. Also, porn kills the drive to overcome the hurdles that keep them from actually having sex with a woman. Same way some women are not happy with their life and options anymore, because they think it should be better. Quit porn and social media and be happy. Simple solution. When you are…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 10:50 AM
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Remember its mostly men that struggle with dating as there is no female loneliness epidemic There is a female loneliness epidemic. Men and women are lonely to the same amount and degree, globally. Loneliness is something nations have understood to be a problem and are putting in lots of research and structural/institutional development, to fight it and help people be less lonely. There are loneliness ministers in some countries already. I could post statistics abouit loneliness, but i don't thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 10:43 AM
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For instance, it is widely known that married men live longer than married women. But on the flip side, unmarried women live longer and happier lives than married women. And neither has to do with marriage, but with having children and how that affects the body and the behavior. The happy part is also a myth that has been debunked a million times and the original author of that study has pulled it back and acknowledged the mistake in interpreting the data he had. Also, despite the rise of workin…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 10:20 AM
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But I'm curious, do you guys ever wish it wasn't like that? No, i like it that way. I don't see problems, unless some people not being successful at mating or not being adapted to a changing environment, is now a "problem", instead of just how things have to be, in a world shaped by evolution. I am fine with understanding the world. I do not need to change the basics of how it works. I'd rather exploit my knowledge of it as good as it gets to have the best success under the current rules and dyn…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 10:07 AM
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You are not tricking your brain. This is exactly what the reward mechanism is for. Anything that enhances libido or what is required to pursue recreational sex, will be beneficial to actually having it. Anything that lower inhibitions, risk assessment ability or standards that mates need to fulfill, will increase your chances of having recreational sex. So yes, not using recreational drugs massively reduces your chances to have recreational sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 09:13 AM
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No, it is not older vs younger. Young men have a young mating strategy, older men have an older mating strategy. Same goes for women. In general. Everyone has their own, individual mating strategy, that changes over time, but usually keeps some core elements the same. The "goal" is not all there is to mating strategy. It's mostly how you go about realizing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 09:10 AM
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Groups regulate belonging through subtle behavioral rules. These norms are rarely verbalized, yet their violation leads to distancing and eventual exclusion. People notice them subconsciously through sensory cues, conversational timing, or emotional dissonance.. Odor: Strong sweat or bad breath triggers avoidance reflexes. Clothing: Dirty, wrinkled, or mismatched attire signals disregard. Hair and nails: Greasy hair, dandruff, or dirty nails mark neglect. Dental state: Visible plaque or persiste…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 09:07 AM
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I am neither jealous nor disgusted by women or towards women. Being a woman is only great when you think about it from a position of being a man, with a male sexuality, a male sense of power and security, a male sense of a female mating role and a male sense of how it feels to be in a male body, a male sense of competitiveness and a male sense of conflict resultion and assertiveness. And when you think of women as "young attractive, with desirable features". Otherwise, it's just "okay", on avera…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/25 08:50 AM
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Yes, but with an "and" and not an "or". Same problem anyway: where are your stats from? Okcupid? How far behind the moon do you live, that you have, in 2025, not heard yet, that the rating scale from that was 0-5 with 1-5 being the actualy attractiveness rating, and 0 being "do not want to rate this profile". And most men got 0, which was later included in the statistics as "0 = least attractive instead of "not applicable". Got any other source?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 06:15 PM
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Most men actually believe they are more attractive than they really are, and they set their standards unrealistically high because of it. That is an evolutionary adaptation and leads to more fitness. Shooting above your league, thinking better of yourself than you are, is beneficial. It is also, on average, just a slight discrepancy between own views and views of self by others, leading to a slighly decreased mating success, when targeting the false equivalence in mates, but not leading to no ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 02:08 PM
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Women do not think 80% of men are ugly. Get your facts straight if you want to make that your "issue here"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/25 01:53 PM
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So you are retreating to argue against ONE specific element of OPs description of what he thinks "Playing hard to get" is? Sure. Agree. Blocking someone usually is not "playing hard to get". Now, the rest of OPs and my argument still stand. Do you agree that women and men play hard to get for the reasons i listed? Is it possible for you to accept that you have been out-debated?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 11:08 AM
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Women are not a monolith. Playing hard to get is a prominent strategy, employed by both men and women alike. Mostly for the same reasons, with some sex-specific sides to it. The behavior is a multi-layered strategy blending: Signaling genetic or social value Testing genuine interest and commitment Managing emotional and social risk Leveraging scarcity and psychological reinforcement to enhance desirability Most of this operates subconsciously. People often report “just trying to see if they like…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 10:57 AM
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No, men don't want to spread their seed, as in having lots of children with many different women. They just want to fuck lots of women. There is no drive to procreate, just a drive to have sex (with many different people, in the case of (most) men. Different mating strategies still apply) It's not only about wanting no children, it's about the amount. Men and women seem to be in agreement about lower number of children than in past generations. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2024/07/2…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 10:30 AM
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Certainly. Red pill is not a centralized thing with an authority or somethimg that regulates what counts as red pill. Any idiot can call themselves red pill and say ANYTHING. Just curious, what red pill idea that is claimed to bring results, does not? And where have you got hat idea from?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 09:27 AM
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How is that relevant to the argument i made, that astrology doesn't give results? Optimizing your dating life by integrating red pill knowledge about human mating DOES give results.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 09:22 AM
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Believing something is getting results is not the same as "getting results". You believing this is a counter argument doesn't make it one.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 09:17 AM
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Do you want to give those few men here the impression that this is a view "men" hold. That they are part of a large group of men who struggle in dating and that women with their standards are the problem? Because you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 09:01 AM
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No. 1% of men being the ones you talk about is FAR from "not all men". It's such a tiny fraction of men, that the issue you talk about is basically unheard of, concerning "men". It's like talking about female psychopaths only, but using the word "women" for it, instead of female psychopaths. It doesn't even come close to representing women. And adding "yeah not all women" is also vastly misrepresenting the tiny fraction of psychopaths among them. You are actively supporting those few men's views…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 08:53 AM
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Who are you talking about? "Men"? The overwhelming majority yof men are in committed relationships and happy. Barely anyone settles for less than they could get. If anythign, people come to terms with their mate value and that they are not going to lock down the partner they would like to have, but just the one that is on their level. And they are overwhelmingly happy with that situation. Both men, and women. Because also men do settle for less than they set out to achieve, but still not less th…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 08:34 AM
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...because men also do not want to have more children. Why is everyone so fixated on women?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 07:56 AM
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Your crusade agains kinks you don't like is futile and pathetic. This is not about understanding anything or debating it. You just don't like some kinks and try to get people to stop doing them by pointing out a "double standard".
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 07:43 AM
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red pill does not do that. black pill does that
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 07:20 AM
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astrology doesnt get results.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 07:20 AM
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For a long time, men were told that their value came from control, wealth, and dominance. Your worth was measured by how much money you could make & how much authority you held in your household. This system worked very well because women were expected to depend on men financially and socially, which reinforced the idea that being a breadwinner and having status automatically guaranteed you a wife. Dude, i am over 40 and not even i was in a generation of men who were told that this is where our …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 07:16 AM
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maybe because it was announced TODAY. Holy fuck, give it some time before you desperately want to generate a gotcha
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 06:23 AM
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In these 'pill' circles, it is often argued that sex is something separate from emotion for men (and that this justifies cheating/promiscuity). Source? Never seen this line of argument
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 06:21 AM
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It CAN be for the girls. But just for intrasexual status hierarchy positions. She dresses hot for hte male gaze, but has no interest in getting male attention that night. But she wants other women to see how hot she can be to men. Men do similar things for male status hierarchy positions.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 06:19 AM
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Yes, most people are too stupid to understand their inner motives. They operate on a "i just do this" and have no idea why basis. THere might be a little bit of resistance to uncover the true reason, because it would conflict with feminist ideas. But i think it's mostly not being cognitively able to dig that deep
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 06:16 AM
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No. What is seen as pretty in that context is defined by the male gaze. You think a butch lesbian dresses for the male gaze when she wants to feel pretty?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 06:14 AM
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I talk about you
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/25 06:13 AM
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That is not the point though
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 06:52 PM
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I do not assume it is for me. It's just a fact that it is dressing according to what men find attractive. She does it for her intra sexual status position
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 06:50 PM
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status
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 06:11 PM
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Why do you have to dress for the male gaze to feel pretty?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 06:09 PM
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"just because" is always as sign of not understanding what is going on, or not wanting to reveal it. When people ask this question about why women do this, the answer lies behind the "just because". It's the part lots of people do not understand. If you want to help OP out, go deeper. What made you become pink all of a sudden?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 06:07 PM
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You don't understand social norms and what they are for?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 05:48 PM
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For example eye contact while speaking with someone. Well, the things that make him stand out as autistic are the things that people expect others to follow to fit in.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 10:40 AM
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What is high and in what way serious? Regarding pair bonding ability?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 09:35 AM
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What is more red pill than the actual science on human mating and the biology of it? You cannot be woken up more to the actual truth.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 09:23 AM
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Depends on how the women see your and their mate level. The actual quality of the joke is modified by that mate level discrepancy/interest. Women who think you are way below you are not going to laugh at your jokes even when they are good. The opposite is true for women who are below you and interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 09:14 AM
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This is the problem with young men currently. You guys are so insecure that you want women to take over the male role of initiating, risking rejection, making desires known... It's not going to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 09:09 AM
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You cannot put these kind of social interactions into a formula. That is why autists don't succeed. Don't even try to make it a step by step program.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 09:05 AM
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Young men have become too passive. They think they need to get to a state where women throw themselves at them, so they never have to face rejection. Decentering women is for insecure men who can't deal with putting themselves out and going for what they want. You throw out the "bottom 50% of men" as if you have ANY data on the relationship status of those men. You have nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 08:21 AM
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I am 41 and wouldn't date a 35 yo woman who is my looksmatch. I'd rather date a 25-30yo woman who is a little less attractive than me. Age does a lot for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 08:14 AM
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Look into vasopressin for bonding in men, not oxytocin. Also, there are zero studies about a loss of pair bonding ability in humans for having lots of sexual partners. Whatever you have read there is conservative propaganda to scare people into behaving according to their values.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 08:02 AM
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I am not in the position to bring evidence. I was questioning the evidence of the guy who claimed that his face makes him unable to be attractive to women. The evidence to counter that is all around us. I just gave a very prominent example of a guy who has nothing and still got a girlfriend way above his looks level. Also to get the commenter to position himself as more or less ugly than that guy I don't even believe the commenter is ugly.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 07:51 AM
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How so? Show me
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/25 07:46 AM
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That is not an alpha widow. They are rejecting betas...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 07:24 PM
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And he also has no evidence for that and can't say anything about how prevalent it is
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 07:05 PM
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More lies. No evidence. I am neither resentful of women nor do I have limited experience with them, nor is that a part of my issue with your statements
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 06:44 PM
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For me this clearly rooted in the current zeitgeist. Not too informed about the specifics, so maybe the term postmodern ideology applies, maybe not. It's about dividing everything into oppressor/oppressed victim/perpetrator, good/bad. There doesn't seem to be nuance for things to be good and bad a the same time. Victims cannot be also at fault.Israel cannot be a bad guy and also a victim. Oppressed races cannot be racist themselves and.. surprise: women cannot assume a general victimhood vs men …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 04:53 PM
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No, I am ASSUMPTIONS about you, believing they are most likely correct. Now you assume things about me that are wrong. I do not have a view on what a correct relationship model looks like. I am in an open relationship myself, had two girlfriends at a time and am never married at age 41. I am open to whatever relationship type and have fwbs right now. Your argument is based on how it is for You with your specific personality, mental setup and background. I do not argue at all, that his is current…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 04:35 PM
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No, you understood that wrong, but I agree that OP is not proof of anything
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 03:55 PM
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Why are you concerned with the woman? You should ask the engineer if he regrets not having gotten into a lifelong relationship with that woman, or if he is happy with how his next long term partner was. Why do you seem to assume that this woman who rejected him was good for him?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 03:52 PM
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There was no attack. I gave you my impression that it sounds like you are not representative of the general public and gave you the background for why Fwb are usually not in women's interest. Deal with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 03:42 PM
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That would be honest and fair. Not putting the man in a vulnerable position where is getting exploited.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 03:33 PM
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How are women in a vulnerable position when they break up with a man they thought they could get lots of money from but then actually don't?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 03:25 PM
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Yes, with regards to "love" and the interplay of those systems. Read further to see the updated model. As you know, long term relationships often have a very reduced or lost lust component and the attraction part is also gone, leaving only attachment. The statement is not about no lust for other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 02:56 PM
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_of_romantic_love Mostly the work of Helen Fisher on brain activity and the separate components of love in the brain, is what I am thinking about now, when it comes to lusting after people you are not in love with. Regarding the explanation for you, I am thinking about sociosexuality, specifically the "desire" facet of this 3-faceted scale, that specifically asks about sexual fantasy frequency, regarding a person you are not in a committed relationship with…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 02:02 PM
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I never claimed anything close to that
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 01:54 PM
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Science is on my side though. So that is more a thing of you wanting it to be like that, because of possibly idealized notions of love, shame or a multitude of other explanations, like just never fantasizing about having sex with strangers, regardless of if you are in a committed relationship or not. Brain wise, sexual Lust for people is separate from attachment and attraction drives. One CAN be lusting for other people while not subtracting from the love you have for your wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 01:43 PM
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You haven't read even close to enough about the topic and you will not get a clearer picture of asking people in this sub. Most are scientifically illiterate ideologists who will not give any answer that has a basis in evidenced reality. Maybe start by linking the contradicting study
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 01:32 PM
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Wanting to have sex with others or fantasizing about it has nothing to do with loving your wife or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 01:25 PM
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You have no idea about that
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 01:23 PM
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This study is not about fantasy at all. The only fantasy is Chatgpt hallucinating the information "The subjects were asked to keep a simple record of their sexual activity during this period, including the number of times they had intercourse, mastur- bated, or performed any other sexual activity to achieve orgasm during the 24-hr period (from midnight to midnight)."
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 01:22 PM
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Of course I had them. Just today. I also have sex with other people whilst in a committed relationship. I also have thoughts about other people while I have sex with my committed partner. I think it's ok to do so. Read about sociosexuality. There is a question about this topic in the scale (SOI-R). Answers range from "never" to "every day/several times per week".
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 01:15 PM
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The explanation is that they are the best option those women had for a committed partner. Putting in effort to get a higher mate value partner than yourself is possible. But most people rather take a mate value partner on their level without putting in the extra effort for a lifetime. High effort is mostly done for short term mating and winning over hotter partners than yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 12:37 PM
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Then pick another example where you CAN separate it. Or, surprise, look at the fucking science on personality and attractiveness instead of relying on singular celebrity examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 11:59 AM
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That is not representing my comment at all. I gave ab argument that has nothing to do with you in the first paragraph. I gave a possible explanation why you think that way and that you are not representing the masses. Then another argument on how we know that men do prefer lower commitment relationships, while women prefer higher commitment. Also contradicting your claims. You are delfecting here. Deal with my arguments, or continue to behave in the same way that likely is the reason for your in…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 11:57 AM
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Run a thought experiment: can Jack be abusive in other ways than pimping girlfriends out? Yes. Do ugly men have girlfriends they abuse? Yes. Being rich and famous seems to be what changed his behavior, not being attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 11:39 AM
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Being attractive has no effect on personality, is my argument. Pointing out attractive individuals with abusive behavior is not evidence for anything. Jack Doherty could be abusive as an ugly man too. People do not operate on the basis of "what they can get away with". You wouldn't be a murder if there was no law against it
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 11:23 AM
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The source that informs you about my statements being complete bullshit, or that mating science is bullshit.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 11:12 AM
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Dude, what?! Men just lag behind women's relationship rates by 3 years, regarding aging. 21-32yo men and 18-29 yo women have the same singleness rates. It has nothing to do with being terrible, but all to do with the average age gap preference of both sexes and young men lacking the desired maturity and masculinity.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 11:04 AM
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Source?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 10:43 AM
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You cannot generalize from prominent individuals over the general public.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 10:38 AM
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Being far above other people doesn't make you have a personality that treats them bad. Same as that only children do not differ in personality from children with siblings. It's a myth.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 10:37 AM
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No, I was into all my partners from the start.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 10:20 AM
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3-4 hours of housework per day is worth exactly what a professional would take for that work. But "financial needs" is very broad and unlimited. So rather ask yourself, could you support your financial needs with 3-4 hours of working as a housekeeper per day?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 10:15 AM
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No, all personalities of women you can find outside of apps are also found on them. But to different degrees. Some personalities are more drawn to apps than others, but the difference in average personality trait expression is small. Women on apps, on average, are slightly more extraverted, more open to experience and more sociosexually unrestricted.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 10:06 AM
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You can have a committed relationship while not being married, not living under one roof and not expecting your partner to be your everything and sole source for all your needs. Sounds like you have personal issues that make you not suitable for committed relationships. Don't project your own life onto a general public. Most women prefer commitment and strong attachment over low-attached Fwb situations. That is something more preferred by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 09:57 AM
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Dude, we know that attractiveness is the highest priority item for women and men. There are numerous studies who found that with different experimental setups. We also know that women overestimate how important resources and education are in a mate, probably due to this stereotype being spread. Men underestimate how important resources and education are and overestimate how important looks are. We also know about differences in reported vs revealed preferences. We have detailed importance rankin…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 09:50 AM
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I am not making the argument at all. I am just beating OP with his own argumentative world. It doesn't matter if men where the main hunters or not. That is not the point of the argument. Please don't let being triggered in your ideology take over. Spend some time to understand what this is about
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 09:13 AM
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So what? Attractiveness/desirability is the accumulation of all your positive and negative traits, relatively weighted and subjectively judged. Why are you having an issue with the fact that people can make up for their flaws with other traits? Ugly men get away with their face when they have status. Old men get away with their deteriorating body with money. Average men get away with their averageness with confidence and masculinity. Stupid get away with being stupid by being hot. I don't get th…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 09:11 AM
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Pete Davidson is an average looking guy. What is your level of uglyness? Post a similarly ugly face. Do you know that guy from YouTube who posted about his life as a truly ugly man, who then got a beautiful girlfriend? https://youtu.be/1n5nOEJtrYA
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 09:06 AM
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Dude, at least correct my typo to "reproductive advantage" from the context of the reply and your OP. Chatgpt doesn't give a good response when you copy&paste "productive advantage" and just hallucinates a response. None of that is relevant to your OP or my comment. Low income and low education correlates with reproductive success in the west. High desired resource availability increases desirability, just like it did in hunter gatherer societies. It's not a requirement and also isn't limited to…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 09:01 AM
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What the FUCK, dude? Your completely nuke your attractiveness with body fat (I assume that this is not muscles), to the point where the fat alone fucks your face up, and then complain how being funny isn't getting women to want to fuck you? And it's not just your physical attractiveness. Your weight speaks to your lifestyle, your inability to consume in moderation, lack of discipline. It severely limits your mobility, long time health, and life/healthspan. On top of that come halo effect things …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 08:27 AM
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Luckily, as we can see from real life, attractiveness in men does only weakly correlate with lifetime sex partner count. There is also no hard cut off point after which all men less attractive than X are single.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 08:13 AM
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Average men can be assholes too. Chads and average men do not differ in how likely they are assholes or to what degree.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 08:10 AM
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Look at all the ugly men in relationships. How do you explain those? Nobody said personality can make up for lots of ugly traits and an ugly face.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 08:00 AM
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You mix up some men with all men. Have you done any atrocities? I haven't and women and men greatly enjoy my company and friendship. Why would I drop out of society?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 07:33 AM
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Just when you measure it against what the elite can achieve. Compared to hunter gatherers everyone has a good life. You just said it yourself: being good at creating, crafting, hunting, gathering valuable or necessary resources gave Hunter gatherer men a productive advantage. It's the same today, just the kind of resources changed..for the better and more diverse.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 07:30 AM
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Dude, 70% of men are currently successful, as a snapshot of committed relationships. Add to that all the men who do not want a committed relationship. Who is not successful, while wanting it? And for what reasons? Capitalism? rather autism and lack of other desirable traits or having undesirable traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 07:25 AM
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Please show me these data. Education correlates negatively with number of offspring
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 07:23 AM
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All that is still here today. Be generous, be pro social. It's valued and will give mating advantages. Does not involve capitalism.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 07:22 AM
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Same goes for pre-agricultural societies. Who wouldn't want their man to be the guy who has hunting success every day and supports the whole group with food for huuuge social status and all the good things that come from that that will benefit the children/reproductive success of that woman?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 06:58 AM
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Woman want to be with a rich guy but most women are with a normal, average income guy. Preferences does not mean that is what they can get or require to be happy. That some men, who are not desirable and competitive in the current environment, are not getting partners and not procreating is entirely normal and was like that forever. Today, the least capable and desirable men have the largest reproductive success. If you are stupid and broke, why not have 5 children? Women don't want you? Look at…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 06:56 AM
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NOT ALL MEN CAN! That is the fucking point of evolution!! You understood nothing and just applied your ideology. Also, if you compare the pre-agricultural societies, no man could provide for himself or his partner. It was a group effort of hunting luck striking different people at different times and the inability to conserve food. Sharing was necessary to not let food go to waste. Also for social peace. Kin-selection and a lot of other reasons. The systems are in men's favor. Again, the group h…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 06:47 AM
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In scientific usage, mating science is not a standardized discipline name but usually refers to the multidisciplinary study of how organisms (including humans) choose and compete for mates, reproduce, and form relationships. It overlaps with: Evolutionary biology: natural and sexual selection, reproductive strategies, mate choice, sexual dimorphism. Behavioral ecology: costs and benefits of mating strategies in different environments. Anthropology and psychology: human mate preferences, sexual s…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 06:17 AM
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Dude suck it up and apologize for vehemently spreading lies. It's over for your argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 06:07 AM
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And you don't know the statistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 06:05 AM
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You broke the social rules of the community you wanted to be a part of. Why do you think they should still take you in and value you?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 05:48 AM
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If that is a widespread problem at all and not just a you issue, because you are not only neurodivergent but also have a reputation that you are not aware of, then it is a college issue. This doesn't keep you from dating women who are outside of your college social environment, where "people know who you are". This is like women men fuck but don't want to be seen with, anywhere it affects their own reputation. Mostly being about looks, or visible class/race/religion/age differences. You should f…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/09/25 05:18 AM
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Then just don't be monogamous and have an open relationship. That is at least my way of dealing with the issue of abundance and limitating relationship constructs.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 07:22 AM
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competition is not a male trait? Have you lived on this planet for a minute? Men make a competition out of EVERYTHING, while women don't. Male traits are male traits, because there is an average sex difference. What you might be thinking of, is that "a specific woman" can be as or even more aggressive than "a specific man". This does not mean that aggressiveness is not a male trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 06:46 AM
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I’d love to hear counterarguments, because maybe I’m seeing this too simplistically. TLDR: Niches will be filled. Conflict resolution/goal getting via violence is a niche. Women and men are the way they are because of their co-evolution with men/women, and because that is what is evolutionarily successful. Large parts of this success depend on women selecting this behavior and these traits. Intrasexual and intersexual competition shape us, as well as environmental requirements and constraints (a…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 06:38 AM
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The one that we study well enough to get you to the point to ask me this question over the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 06:21 AM
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That is just the loud, shrill, engagement generating stuff you see on social media or pushed by the incels on this sub. At the core, TRP is just mating science for bros/dummies. The attention economy of the internet works on anger and hate. That is what you see, but that is not what TRP is.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 06:20 AM
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All of that also applies to dating people who you didn't first contact on a dating app. Also, going from general statistics to advice for a specific person, "you", doesn't work.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/25 06:17 AM
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Nope, i didn't mean that OP literally means enslaved. You want me to show you how the reverse is also true? What kind of argument and evidence would you accept and change your mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 01:58 PM
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Because some people prefer to live in reality instead of a delusion that makes them feel better
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 01:56 PM
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How are men the powerful when they get enslaved by women and you think OP is correct on that?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 09:00 AM
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Why do you limit this to women? You think there are no men here who will have or do have sons? But 60% of Men ages 18-29 haven't had sex in an entire year. One thing i will teach my son if he has trouble dating, is to not listen to charlatans on reddit or other social media when they try to give statistics as evidence of some issue. You just pulled that stat out of your ass to have an impact. I will teach my son to go look for the data himself and find out: <image> it's only about 1/5th of young…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/25 08:56 AM
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No, a feminist would see a problematic power inequality in being with a man who has way more money than her. and by the fact that she would make herself dependent on that man for her lifestyle and for her status. This kind of dynamic would not work with being a current-wave feminist.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 02:42 PM
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Because you like false ideologies when they are on "your side"?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 02:35 PM
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Yes you do. You an OP speak about love in different ways. Op is talking about power in romantic relationships (love) is not directly talking about being in love as you did. Op is talking about how loving a woman gives her power over you. I say the same. I just add, that his is also true in reverse, making OPs topic obsolete. Are you implying this doesn't happen anymore? of course it happens, but freely, willingly, not by becoming enslaved. It's niceguy beta behavior, people pleaser, doormat beha…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 02:33 PM
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Ah, Nietzsche's slave moral is here again. Powerless people striving to become powerful by reverting the value system so everyything that is good and desired becomes bad and shunned, while the formerly rejected and powerless, become sought after for their virtue.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 02:21 PM
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LOL? I do not mention feelings as well. THis is not about feelings. Op is about LOVE and POWER, not about relationship equality, in terms of happy wife happy life (what a boomer thing to say, btw.). A woman being in love with me, in a relationship, gives me POWER over her. Argue with that? Thought so. The nonsense OP believes is his years long obsession with conspiracy theories of all kinds. And his ideological belief in everything Esther Vilar says. He is living in a big fat delusion about real…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 12:49 PM
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Then how did you come to the conclusion that we are not living in a gynocentric society, with scientific evidence to guide you?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 12:42 PM
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So the "marriage issues" have been "relationship issues" before and the fact that the woman wanted to get married didn't change anything about the issues, they now just have a different label, because the relationship has a different label.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 12:40 PM
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You said that you pick things you agree with and things you don't agree with. Agreeing is based on what? Vibes? If not, what is your foundation for your beliefs about reality? I saw that the parts of red pill I agree with (on summary: looks, money, status, game) are uncontroversial and not disputed by near any average person, nor some sort of secret held by "gynocentric society" at large like RP'ers find joy in believing. Thus I see the red pill framing as unhelpful, as I didn't come to these be…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 10:19 AM
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So you build your world view on things you agree with and do not agree with, rather than on actual, measurable, observable reality?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 09:57 AM
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Yeah the nerve that you post shit withotu evidence and expect us to just believe you,
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 09:44 AM
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/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 09:41 AM
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Evidence for that?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 09:40 AM
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No, i use them as categories of mate value. Mate value is not a meaningless term. Look it up in wikipedia. CONTEXTUAL ALPHA EQUIVALENT. Holy fuck. Men are not required to be attractive. They can build their mate value from other things. Women are way more one dimensional in how they can have mate value to men. Men are very flexible.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 09:40 AM
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More genz women are single than genz men in 2024. Stop the cap.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 09:38 AM
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New account, huh? Posting too many conspiracy theories and Esther Vilar shit lately? Being loved by someone is power for both sexes. Being in love with someone is giving them power over you. We are all "enslaved" by what our neurotransmitter and our emotional bonds make us do. The only one being manipulated is you. Believing nonsense and being made to spread it further.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 09:37 AM
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Duh, men value women for other things than women value men for. Basic red pill knowledge. What is your point? High value men date high value women, low value men date low value women. What constitutes value is determined by what the sexes like and weigh. I said contextual-apha EQUIVALENTS. So, what's better: to have your value determined mostly by physical attractiveness, something you have very little influence over. Or havign your value determined by a range of things that you mostly have a lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 09:21 AM
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Beauty standards are what women impose on other women. It's their intrasexual competition and status fights. Of course, the base for that is desirability as partners for men, but as with men, the results of that often far overshoot the original goals. Evolution and culture is not a precice tool. Women complain about beauty IDEALS, not standards. It's the whole point of the ideals that barely anyone can achieve them or get close to it. A standard is somethign that is expected from basically every…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 09:13 AM
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One counter example does not provide the basis to say "has very little to do with".. Also, "son of a company owner" makes someone HVM?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 08:42 AM
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Feminism is not passed down the generations.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 08:40 AM
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Human evolution.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 07:34 AM
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Contextual alphas date contextual alpha-equivalents in women. I don't understand why you don't see how women compete over men. No, not just the top percentage. At every mate value level, there is a fight for the best partners one could reasonably achieve. Men want different things in women, than women want in men. To compare just on the contextual alpha dimension is really too short sighted. Undesirable men are with undesirable women. Desirable men are with desirable women. People pair up with t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 07:22 AM
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You are consuming the media that has this kind of view. You could as well consume the reverse media, like red pill creators, who will tell you the opposite. Your choice of media is reflected by what gets you angry. Stop being a social media sheep.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 07:14 AM
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Most guys would rather date, and especially rather sleep with, a hot, dumb, mean slut than a plain looking good girl, and women would rather date a hot, confident asshole, than a nice, normal guy, yet somehow only the second statement is controversial. Nope, most guys would rather be in a committed relationship with a kind plain girl, than a hot mean girl.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 07:01 AM
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Why would you only compare invisible labor? Because you assume that visible labor is already equal? Hardly. Just ask yourself how much capacity do people have left, when you ask about how much they work, visible or not. This includes that men and women MIGHT have different capacities to work, on average. And it gets rid of the "how to compare setting up a booth vs unloading a truck vs planning a birthday vs repairing a bike".
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 06:49 AM
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For you, society turns to shit, for those who don't share your morals, society becomes more free and more enjoyable. You are not going to convince someone on the other end of the spectrum that society is going to shit. They believe that society is going to shit when your values would take over. Just accept that people differ and don't be so absolute. You are not going anywhere with "society is going to shit". Preaching to the choir doesn't get you anywhere. We are not going to wake up to your mo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 06:32 AM
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This is not how you take power. This is not how you "go seperate ways". You are either strong and independent, or you are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/25 06:29 AM
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We don't care about your morals though.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 01:28 PM
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venn diagram. overlapping preferences. We had this discussion
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 01:27 PM
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Stop trying to make this into a fight about semantics. If you can't understand the fine line, don't discuss it.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 12:30 PM
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It's not about making life as safe as possible. You must be fun in bed.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 08:37 AM
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What are you waiting for? Male permission?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 08:30 AM
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The safe word makes it safe, in situations where it's not clear how far one can go with a certain thing/action, and usual words used to end things like "no" or "stop", can be misinterpreted as part of the play (actually dont stop!). For someomne who claims to have that much experience with women, you are pretty clueless. People get injured ACCIDENTALLY. That doesn't subtract from the safeness of the situation, compared to an actual rape. Try being less autistic in the taking everything literal w…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 08:14 AM
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What is restricting this access to sex? Yeah, women have higher standards, but that doesn't mean the incels do not meet those standards. Standards shift with own mate value, circumstances, needs and wants, mental health, etc. What is restricting the incel in becoming someone who meets the standards, for the theoretical case, that he doesn't already meet the standards of some women?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 07:28 AM
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The difference is actual safety. A fantasy or doing something with a trusted partner is safe. Actual rape is not safe.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 07:21 AM
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So you want to find a therapist who will put in years of effort into making you MORE narcissistic, machiavellian and psychopathic, so you can have an easier time sleeping around?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/25 07:20 AM
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Great, then you can cure narcissists of narcissism. Share with us how to do that
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 08:31 PM
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You are also avoiding becoming an interesting person with a life.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 06:12 PM
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It's the powerless' only theoretical way to have some kind of power to get what they want. The "men" in this threat, or theoretical approach, are not a relevant amount. We wouldn't notice, if all men who are foreveralone would suddenly stop working or stop existing. It's not about entitlement, or being owed something for contributing to society. It's the thought, that women need men to contribute to society, to keep the status quo alive. And so this can be leveraged to get something out of women…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 10:28 AM
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I was more interested in how you score on psychometric tests for dark triad personality disorders.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 10:09 AM
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What is your dark triad profile like?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 06:48 AM
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Dating coaches? What is there to learn that is not freely available on youtube? Staying together for the money is not a good incentive. Domestic abuse registry would REDUCE amount of relationships, not increase them. You don't need "dating events", you just need to fucking stop being on your phone 24/7.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 06:46 AM
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Men and women are equally lonely. Whose fault is is that women are lonely?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 06:33 AM
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Do you think someone can "be more dark triad" or "be less dark triad" to optimize outcomes? That is not how it works.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/25 06:28 AM
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Because you can have great advice without being able to follow it yourself
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 04:13 PM
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Yeah of course. Assortative mating/homogamy. Agree
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 11:49 PM
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Solution: have sex with people on the first date
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 02:47 PM
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Rules are mate value discrepance depending. Read the fine print on that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 02:39 PM
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I think they have given up on getting what they want out of their own abilities and power. But they haven't giving up on changing their situation by complaining and changing society by pointing out double standards, moral flaws and inconsistencies. Also, when you are a fringe outsider with a fringe view and fringe problems, it helps to have a community of similar people where you can rant about your frustrations together and get support in your fringe views.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 07:38 AM
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It's the incels insecurity about their own desirability and worth, that put those thoughts into their heads.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 07:20 AM
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I have never seen a high n count woman who makes men wait, who are "husband material". Unless you mean 2 dates is making someone wait. Which they most often just do to signal serious interest and assess if the dude has serious interest. There is no reason to make someone wait longer, when being open to casual sex and quickly having sex with others. Seems like someone with conflicting values. I have also not seen C(2). Seems like someone with conflicting values. There aren't many people with cont…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 07:18 AM
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I choose a woman who sleeps with me on the first date and has a high n count, and a woman who has her own career and money. I also choose no kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 07:13 AM
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We are talking about today. We are not talking about a historic gender war but about the one we have right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 07:11 AM
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How about you look for correlations between attractiveness and personality and then come back to tell us: there is none, sorry, this whole topic doesn't fly
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 07:09 AM
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maybe we should treat the life advice for what it is and not factor in what the person does in other areas.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 07:08 AM
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You seem to be new here, so i will explain how useless it is to bring "reality" to this sub. - people will call you a Chad/Chad-lite and tell you how YOU are the one who has no idea of what average is. Because average means being an incel at age 25, no job, gamer, living at home, autism, bullied in school, no friends - people will say that all the guys in relationships are actually settling for way less than what would be their equal. They are miserable in their relationships, have dead bedrooms…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 06:54 AM
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Everyone tries to get the highest mate value partner possible. By that dynamic, what we end up with, is people overwhelmingly having same mate value partners. Hypergamy exists for different traits, that are differently weighted in the sexes (youth/beauty vs wealth/status, for example), but overall mate value is equal. That is what markets, like the dating/mating market, do: they bring equal value together. There is nothing to hate about hypergamy. It's the basis of the sexes getting what they va…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 06:47 AM
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Women select their sex partners so what men prefer doesn't matter much Humans have mutual mate choice. You should read some science on mating, and less reddit. And maybe ask lots of the 35+ guys if they would want to marry an 18yo.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 06:36 AM
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Simply sitting and waiting is not going to get women a top 10% man. Only 10% of women, mostly the top 10% of women, will get such a man. Women do have to improve, just as men, to get the high value partners they all want. Women compete with other women for men, AT EVERY LEVEL. My gf has to change to be/remain successful. She needs to work on her body and her mental health, her jealousy, and a lot of other things, which she does. "Just sitting" would not make me want to be with her. So what? Then…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 06:34 AM
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What do you mean by that? It is just as arbitrary as the pew study you use
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 06:28 AM
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A prostitute has zero value to me. A woman with lots of casual sex in her past has no change in value for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/25 06:26 AM
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I am a scientist. I do not push away scientific proof. I discuss it within the existing literature and point out flaws. If you can't deal with that, you are in the wrong sub. Why would a red piller not be positive towards women? They do nothing wrong. Red pill is understanding without judging or wanting to change anything. YOU change yourself to become successful.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 04:17 PM
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I have examples of every possible behavior. That is not representative. You need to bring actual scientific evidence for what is average behavior or which behavior happens to which extent.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 02:49 PM
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<image> Currently, young women are more single (in the GSS data) than young men. Look at the trendlines for a more representative, longterm view on single rates. Men and women are single to the same degree, when you factor in the preferred 3 year age gap. So, what is your argument now?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 02:02 PM
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Young men are not into even younger women. Age of consent is 14 where i live. 18yo men still prefer 18yo women. I'd post the graphic in distribution of age preferences by age, but i don't think you are open to scientific evidence on that. You sound pretty ideological about this topic
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 02:00 PM
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Women don't spend so much time talking about that or jumping on murderers. You are having a terminally online, social media lens on reality. Your feed does not represent reality, neither qualitatively nor quantitatively. I'd recommend YOU to watch women's actions, and look at body count numbers and distibutions, as well as whom women marry on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 01:57 PM
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No, it's not about if she might find me amazing it's about the other options that she has in that setting and that situation. This is not limited to how attarctive she is. All the factors that determine if someone is like to engage with me rather than with others.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 10:56 AM
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70% of men are in committed relationships right now. They are all very different. So your claim is that the women are not attracted to the men they chose out of all the options they have?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 10:46 AM
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Biology makes us fall in love and motivate us to do all the stuff that leads to acquiring a mate. Men here don't seem to understand that it's not men vs women that causes their issues. It's men vs men, where they lose out. Other men are outcompeting them for what they want. Other men are "hording" all the dates, sex, and hot women, by being better men (regarding mating success and the traits required for that). If the men would be on the successful side of mating, they would have zero issues to …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 07:10 AM
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It's not red pill having a problem with that. It's young men who just realized they have been told a lie about mating dynamics. The "you can get any partner you want, just be yourself and wait", "it's important what's on the inside", "just be nice", etc. kind of guidelines for finding a girlfriend, that never really mention (although that should be obvious, because those men also have the requirement that women need to be attractive to them and not just "good personalities"/intelligent/funny etc…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 07:03 AM
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What do you mean by "don't think like that"?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 06:48 AM
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It's not being intimidated, it's doing a risk/reward calculation that comes out as: very high chance of not being successful.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 06:46 AM
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Most women outside ppd like to say (lie) that guys can make up for shortcomings in attractiveness with characteristics that are appealing but not attractive - eg. intelligence, work ethic, etc.But as almost all sane humans know if she is not attracted to you, it doesn't matter how smart, rich, or successful you are - she doesn't find you attractive, and the relationship won't have a "spark." Then they say Just because I don’t find you attractive doesn’t mean another woman won’t. But in reality a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/25 06:43 AM
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I would bet money you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 04:57 PM
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You might want to look into what sociosexuality is.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 04:55 PM
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Regarding the event you posted: "To maintain a gender-balanced experience, women’s tickets are sold in advance". That is because WOMEN are the limiting factor, not men. It's not to get MORE men into the event, it's to guarantee that there will be enough women for all the men who will be let into the event. Men will be rejected at the door for "not being enough women inside to guarantee a gender balanced experience". Other than that, the clip you showed is not a café but a restaurant. And without…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 07:05 AM
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Whenever any 3rd world country is pointed out most women start saying how it is bad for women and so on . But dont women in western countries have such high standards for men that most young women are forced to date the same few men(60% single rate compared to 30%). THIS is the relationship rate of young men and women. As you can see, when you factor in a 3 year age gap and compare the respective age brackets, relationship rates are the same. Men just "lag behind" by 3 years on average, due to p…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 06:53 AM
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Alright, then i'll just answer that i had 'mind blowing' sex with strangers. What you are missing, is that what makes sex mind blowing is neither emotional connection or the "body", it's what happens in your brain. What someone is turned on by is very individual. Breaking some form of norms, taboos, etc. is pretty general though, in being a huge turn on (being dirty, naughty, bad, etc.). A stranger might be the perfect subject to have mind blowing kink/fantasy sex with, because they support the …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 06:39 AM
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"Complete stranger" as in dark room anonymous sex, or "complete stranger" as in having been on a date with a guy and ending up in bed?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 06:17 PM
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Strawman? You are giving evidence for things that have nothing to do with your claim. Plain and simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 05:41 PM
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But that is not pair bonding ability.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 10:16 PM
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It's useless to use population averages if you want to say something about an individuals chances to find a mating partner, in this context. Being faithful has nothing to do with being pair bonded. Breaking up does not mean one is not able to pair bond. Your are trying to derive things from the studies that the data doesn't offer.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 01:34 PM
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This goes for many more traits and characteristics that are valued differently by the sexes. The red pill understands this different valuation and SMV and RMV calculations/mate value, etc. That doesn't keep people to post stupid takes under whatever flair.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 12:01 PM
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I did. Can you not read?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 08:47 AM
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There are NO sources that show that pair bonding ability is reduced with increasing sex partner count.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 08:46 AM
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That has nothing to do with pair bonding ability. It has to do with sexual history and desirability evaluations. "we demonstrate that the impact of past partner number on a suitor’s desirability as a long-term partner varies as a function of distribution over time. " Also: "Sex differences were minimal and inconsistent pointing to a lack of a sexual double standards. " So, high N men are also less desirable ON AVERAGE. BUT: "Sociosexuality (openness to casual sex) was a consistent moderator and …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 08:45 AM
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There is no 7 year itch. Chance for divorce gets lower with every year. First year is the highest risk for divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 08:39 AM
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Flirting with women is "making them uncomfortable"? :D Dude, i think you have no idea what flirting is.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 08:05 AM
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When a woman throws herself at you, its an incredible feeling. You are desired. Not really. It's pathetic and worth less than having "conquered her" after having to put in effort. What people usually call "the chase". And why women commonly ask if men want to be approached. No, we don't. At least not , if we are capable of winning over the women we want ourselves. Incels want to be approached. Guys who really can't make a move that succeeds, want to be approached. A woman who throws herself at m…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/25 07:49 AM
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