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A) Ever heard of soldiers? Miners? Every other dangerous job with a majority-male base of workers. Men are literally putting their life and physical wellbeing on the line for money. In other words, their bodies. B) But okay, let's limit this to sex or, let's say, attractiveness-based jobs. Male models exist. Male actors exist. Male sex-workers exist. Male pornstars exist. Men who can sell their bodies will sell their bodies. If more men could earn money shaking their ass on Instagram, they would…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 10:50 AM
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What the hell are you talking about? You said "caring for the safety of women isn't something that's expected of men, it's expected of society as a whole", to which i said "no, one of demands of the #MeToo-movement was that specifically men police the behaviour of other men to make women safer". I wasn't talking about "blame", nor was i saying this expectation is per se a bad thing. i was just pointing out that what you said in that regard was wrong, plain and simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 06:22 AM
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Who says i'm angry? I was just pointing out that what you said was wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 05:56 AM
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If it's just me being in roughly the same place at the same time that "scares" her, like sitting in the same train or having to go the same way at night? I might feel bad for her - if i'd notice, that is - but that's about it. The only responsibility i got is to not actively do something that harms other people. Which i've been doing a pretty good job of the past 38 years so far, a streak i intend to keep going. But i'm not gonna accomodate other people's irrational overreaction to my mere exist…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 05:52 AM
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"physical safety" - that's mostly about community than expectation of an every man to enforce. Is it? Wasn't one of the big lessons women expected specifically of men to take away from #MeToo that they were expected to police the behaviour of the men around them? Or that man who walk on the street at night are expected to slow down their own progression, change the side of the street, etc. when they go the same way as a women on her own, to make that woman feel safe?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 08:16 PM
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The bullshit-excuse being what exactly now? And either way, do you guys have any way to tell for sure that the majority of guys shaming OF-creators and porn stars are also guys who then turn around and watch porn?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 08:44 PM
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Oh, so you're also an authority on what's funny, huh? Fun fact, btw - i know several snake owners. All of them women in their thirties.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 07:33 PM
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Which is why i very deliberately wrote "professionaly created porn" (although, to be fair, amateur-porn would do just as well) and not "porn from Onlyfans". Of course, if you're shaming OF-creaters while being amongst their best customers, that's hypocrisy.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 06:24 PM
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Even if he wasnt outright saying “If you’re not trying to go fishing I dont want it”, this leads to another problem: “I’ll take any woman who wants me”. Well, this is a guy thats obsessed with snakes, fishing, and wears vulgar sweater. So he’s basically asking “I want a woman who will be fine with a chubby guy with a fish AND SNAKE obsession. Also, be chill that I think pervy sweaters are okay to wear be public.” Thats picky as hell. So... let's - for the sake of argument - accept something you …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 06:23 PM
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"But it's so crazy to me how many men shame women online for working in these industries, then proceed to go watch porn online." I feel like the most shaming happens against the sheer ungodly amount of OF-creators that have suddenly appeared who advertise aggresively on social media and dating apps. Now, whether it's okay to do that or not is debatable, of course, but i don't see much of a contradiction or hypocrisy in men complaining about that and then watch professionaly created porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 03:59 PM
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Men brought many of the modern dating woes they like to complain about on themselves by simping excessively and thinking primarily with their dicks and about getting laid. Many men don't even realize that a lot of the things they say casually and without care about women is sexist AF and highly problematic.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 10:22 PM
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Being their actual self is what forces an increasing number of men to stay single.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 01:23 PM
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Yeah, exactly. So unless you're naturally attractive, you gotta put in effort. "Not putting in effort", as you suggest, only works if you're already attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 01:03 PM
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"If you stop looking, love will find you"-type esoteric shit. Attracting woman by not trying to attract them only works if you're attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 12:39 PM
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Please read the comment i replied to. Also, emojis are not alive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 07:34 PM
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And women fuck cucumbers and showerheads. So? See, i can play that one, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 06:40 PM
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True. More like a community note, i guess. And it's hard to debate an unproven assumption. But okay, let's meet on your level. You're wrong, your generalization is gross and man-hating bullshit, when in reality, what you say only applies to a small subset of men. Most men would not fuck apes, babies, corpses or turkeys. Btw, are we talking living turkeys here or those you get at the grocery store? Because to be fair, i'd say the amount of men who'd stick their dick into a food-item is probably b…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 06:31 PM
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Yes. And i wanted to add context to your, uhm, let's call it a "point", for the people reading this "debate". Namely the information that what you said is batshit-crazy and misandrist.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 06:14 PM
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I do not "dispute" stuff like that on principle. No point in trying to reason with crazy. Something something wrestling a hog in a mudhole.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 05:59 PM
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Making "men fuck corpses, turkeys, babies and apes" out of "men have no issues sleeping with awkward or shy women" is... wild.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/26 05:53 PM
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most men who largely disregard gender critiques and modern etiquette aren't doing well with women. I always found this to be a weird assumption - if these kinds of behaviour wouldn't work out for the men who exhibit them, the men wouldn't keep them up.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/26 12:23 AM
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Most single moms i personally know come with a metric shitton of baggage (and no, i'm not even talking about the kid itself) that influences any potential future relationship. Also, depending on how the relationship with the baby-daddy ended/is post-split, you might constantly have to deal with your parter's ex still be a huge part of their life in one way or another. Plus, you can't just date a single mom and ignore the kid. It will also always be a part of your relationship. Which is great if …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 11:32 AM
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As attraction. That's how we define attraction. But for what it's worth, it's the same with the compatibility you're talking about. The further off the norm you are, the harder it'll be for you to find people you click with. And then there's multiple possible characteristics that will not only not make you less likely to be compatible with someone, it will actively make you more incompatible with the vast majority of people. And those people either put up an act or they stay single, probably eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 11:26 AM
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Or them being themselves fails to attract anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/26 11:08 AM
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This wasn't about me, nor about my personal experience. But don't worry, i'm still leaving women well alone. And seeing how there's a chance of coming across one as positively charming as you, sex toys probably ARE the better option...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/26 06:52 AM
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Except from what i gathered, a lot of people tend to make their past dating woes their current partner's problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/26 08:04 PM
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I never did apps, because they weren't quite as relevant in online-dating back when i still actually tried meeting someone, but even on the more old fashioned dating sites, filtering could end up becoming a superficial process. You might not have been able to just swipe on pics, but you could set all kinds of filters, including height, weight, hair color, etc..
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/26 12:04 AM
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Hm. Pretty sure men not reading profiles isn't because they are lazy or because it's hard, but because dating apps are, quite simply, a numbers game and increased effort (by carefully selecting the women they swipe right on) doesn't equal increased positive results for the vast majority of men. Plus... it's actually the companies behind the apps that benefit from giving men the illusion of choice and agenda beyond just promoting themselves on these apps. If men were forced to be passive on them,…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/26 11:57 PM
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Of course i don't. Well... i don't even bother trying to date, but that's besides the point. OP said something about dates being boring because of the lack of banter, thus ending any further development of a relationship. That's what i was refering to.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 03:03 PM
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Absolutely, but besides the point. It's the whole "watching someone drown while dying of thirst"-thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 03:00 PM
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If you can't get a date in the first place, then no, the issue is not that the date fails because you don't understand banter and your back and forth is forgettable.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/26 06:42 AM
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I think what they're trying to say is that it's a lot easier to not focus on something when you know you can easily have it anytime you so choose, like male attention for women compared to female attention for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 08:31 PM
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When has mens' contributions to society as a whole ever been used as an argument for why you should date men?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/04/26 12:19 PM
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And we know it, which is why we know it's a BS belief.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 03:57 PM
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Women can't sense abusers. Because they can't sense frustration, either. Except for the obvious cases where guys vent it to the outside world. Some are even dumb enough to do so on dates. But that's not "sensing", that's just seeing the obvious. Everything else is just conclusions based on behaviour or prejudice and assumptions based on personal biases or visible criteria. Let's leave telepathy to the X-Men...
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 03:40 PM
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And what prompts things going on in your mind? Exactly. What happens to you in your life.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 03:32 PM
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I thought women weren't a monolith, so how is there a "female dating perspective" to be understood? Like, what, for example?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/26 03:17 PM
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Don't get married. Just don't. Premium advice for guys who can't get dates or get laid. Pretty sure if that was an option for most men on here, they... well, wouldn't be on here.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 11:53 PM
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Flexible in what regard?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 11:40 PM
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I've usually used a mountain village in the Himalaya to make that point, but yeah, exactly... 8 billion people on the planet? Sure, there might actually be someone for everyone. But the world's not only very populated, it's also VERY big and the person for you might be everyhwere on it, in places you don't even know exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 11:39 PM
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That "belief" is just people being nice and polite. I don't think that anyone with common sense is serious about it when they say something like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/26 11:36 PM
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He did also not say anything about parenting. And even if that's what he meant, then... well, again, he said nothing of what you attribute to him here. He might just genuinely want to be a stay-at-home dad taking care of his kids for all we know.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 08:17 PM
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You will never have the demands of birth and breastfeeding so you will not get it that hard but if you think a hardworking SAHM has it easy, you need an introduction to how hard it can be. To be fair... he said that a lot of men would love it. Now whether that's true or not is a matter of discussion, of course, but either way, he didn't say it'd be easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/26 08:02 PM
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Patriarchal and misandrist aren't mutually exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 03:02 PM
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Okay, maybe it's because it's very late (or very early) where i am, but you kinda lost me there. What would those strategies be and what does that have to do with bonobos?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/26 03:11 AM
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It has, yeah. But it exists. Which is the reason for women not wanting to seem to have those physical preferences, let alone be possibly seen as superficial. I guess the fact that women's sexuality is generally a bit of a shunned topic also plays into that.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 09:43 PM
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Cool. Has nothing to do with what this comment-thread was about. But cool
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 08:53 PM
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That's a bit of a leap. What does a man's worth as an individual have to do with whether his high standards prevent him from getting dates? That's what's being able to afford it means here. Does he bring to the table what he needs to to be able to date the women he sets his sights on?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 07:37 PM
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Or maybe the push for 5$-coffee dates is a response to high maintenance women? If a man won’t put in basic effort early on, that’s usually a preview of what’s coming. And who decided what "basic effort" is?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 07:22 PM
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Okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 07:05 PM
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But they do understand. Isn't that the entire thing of the RedPill? Self-optimization and -improvement because they realize that what they start out with can't compete with the Chads getting all the women? Or the BlackPillers, who know it, too, but complain and whine about it? And isn't it usually women and BluePillers who try to talk men out of that and deny it?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 07:01 PM
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I don't spend most of my time starting essentially the same threads on this sub over and over again, so i think i'm good.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 06:58 PM
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Having one, sure. Limiting their dating choices to that type, however...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 06:39 PM
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In my personal experience (well, my experience of what i see in others) is that on average men are, in a way, indeed more picky and set themselves higher standards initially, often ones that might seem unreasonable given what the guy himself brings to the table, as opposed to women, whose preferences and standards are not quite as a high and seem more realistic at first. However, i also think that the vast majority of men is much quicker to look past their expectations and standards and will gla…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 06:38 PM
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Isn't the common theme in this sub that men are very sure of what they think they deserve, but that what they think they deserve is actually way out of their league?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 06:32 PM
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Gods, i hope not...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 06:30 PM
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No matter the species? How many cowfuckers do you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 06:29 PM
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False. I'm neither "getting in a tizzy" about it nor is it my intent to deny women the right to do what they want. Quite frankly, i don't give a fuck. What i DO give a fuck about is people being dishonest about things like that and acting holier-than-thou about it by pretending that all they want from a man is humor, intelligence, empathy and all that other crap they pretend to prefer - unlike guys, who are all just superficial and going for 10s, of course, according to the same women - which ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 01:49 PM
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False. I think women lie about their preferences because they don't want to make themselves look bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/26 01:00 PM
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Of courde it's not right. I'm just saying that because rhat makes it a metaphor that might not become widely accepted because of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 05:54 PM
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That's not really a thing in modern western culture, though
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 04:03 PM
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Agreed. Also, the swamp metaphor implies that good men are somehow tainted by the actions of bad men, and that all men are ultimately dirty and bad in some way. Isn't that a common theme in female spaces online and on social-media?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 03:16 PM
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For those people, there's no shame in having a trusted family member help with the shopping. At that, the metaphor kinda lost me... how does that relate to dating?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 03:13 PM
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You really didn't. It's just you trying to support your assumptions with other assumptions of yours. Or back it up with most likely staged online clickbait videos that prove exactly nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 03:07 PM
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Adoption as a single parent, let alone a single man? Yeah, sure... Doesn't matter anyways. I just wanted to point out that, no, not everything you might want or lack in life are things you can just replace or achieve with friends instead. Besides... Sex, love, etc., those are deeply rooted psychological needs ingrained in our very being as alive social creatures. Telling people to just shove it and go without it and be fine with it is such a fucking arrogant thing to do.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 02:22 PM
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Yeah... plenty of platonic pals that start families together and stuff...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/26 02:05 PM
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He probably can't read minds, no. But you know who claims that women can read minds? Women. When a man can't get a date, women online will be very quick to tell them it's because "women can sense their insecurity" or "they can tell a guy is only interested in their body".
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 10:22 PM
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Don't think that answers OPs question, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/26 02:55 PM
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You moved the goalpost there twice, man. For one, you said "only" first, which is a pretty absolute thing, and now you're going with "preference", which is something different. And then there is the fact that i was talking about attraction, not dating/marrying. And yeah, i do think it is. There's SO many different people of all ethnicities looking all kinds of ways. Saying you're definitely not attracted to anyone not within your ethnic group is indeed a bit odd for me. And i don't mean that in …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 01:55 PM
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What is 'competing with singledom' even supposed to mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 12:32 PM
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I think it's strange, sure, but i'm not sure you can call that racist. There's no maliciousness to it, no ignorance, it's not even intentional. I mean, if he's really only attracted to members of his ethnic group, it's not even a conscious thing he does. I mean, if you go about it this way, then every straight person is sexist towards their own sex, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 12:20 PM
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If you're only attracted to 5-10% of the sex you're generally into, then yes, that is absolutely on you and your standards. So as far as that goes, i agree. I just wouldn't call it a problem. Women seem to be mostly fine with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 12:16 PM
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Simple: If i believe women don't give a fuck about me and barely even see me as human because i'm not a part of the top whatever percentage of men, why would i believe they care enough to give me helpful advice?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/26 08:29 AM
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Exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 01:19 PM
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I'm an idiot when it comes to socializing and i'd probably rather die than go to a bar with live music, but come on, even i get that one... The idea is that you just expand your general social circle, even with people who might not normally be in yours naturally. And eventually, people you know might introduce you to new people they know or invite you to new places where you meet more people. And so on and so forth.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 01:17 PM
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You: Which is reminds me, its also dumb to complain about the Dark Romance and Romantasy genres. Theyre FICTION. Who cares if women write sex fantasies of the conventionally attractive man with lots of money and thinks the MC is ‘not like other girls’? Having fantasies doesnt mean you make them your dating standard. Also you: Why am I bringing this up? Because I notice alot of guys here have set up unrealistic expectations that seem to be influenced by porn, harem anime, and/or dating sims. This…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/26 01:02 PM
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Don't you think that if there were outdoor activities they enjoyed, they'd already be doing them instead of spending time at home alone?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 03:37 AM
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I mean, i don't know the guy, but maybe talking to women hasn't worked out for him. Killing someone seems pretty much like the end of an escalating spiral, not like the first step.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 03:13 AM
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Sorry, i didn't mean to imply that you ARE beating that drum. It's just that it goes completely against the whole "being authentic" which is usually a pretty big theme here in terms of dating advice for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 03:06 AM
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I don’t think a lot of men realize that they dress and style themselves in ways that they like but that is also fairly unattractive to most women. And that’s fine. That’s their choice to make. But the consequences of that are gonna be that it’s more difficult to attract women. "Just he yourself, guys.". Authenticism is only important until it gets in your way.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/26 02:59 AM
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Now... i don't know how the numbers actually are, but just in general: "Stop paying for date" will become an issue very quickly if "guy isn't paying for dates" equals "guy not worth dating" for a majority of women. Once the remaining minority of women who don't want the guy to pay alone are spoken for, we'd be right back here again.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/26 05:42 PM
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Strengthened BECAUSE of the high from it. What are you defining as partners? Yeah, who could i possibly mean with "partners" when talking about romantic relationships... And yes. Because of the high. It amplifies the connection, it doesn't serve as a substitute "drug". Which are the people I am talking about. Are you? Because it sounds an awful lot like you are talking about "men" in general. And even IF you do... you're still making the mistake of seemingly thinking that even those men who are …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 04:31 PM
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Perfectly legitimate opinion to have. Not a universal truth, though. And especially this part: So sex has nothing to do with love. "Nothing" is an awfully all-encompassing term, don't you think? As absolute as you put it, this is definitely something everyone who's in a romantic relationship with a healthy sex live would disagree with. And this: They love the high sex gives them. That has nothing to do with love. It’s just when people are in love, those chemicals are strengthened because love an…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 03:35 PM
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The entire premise of your post, as you put it in your thread title, is simply wrong. Just because someone "feels love through sex", doesn't mean that all sex equates to or evokes love. It may not be the case for you, but there's people who know there's a difference between casual sex as an outlet for an urge without any emotional bonding involved and actual love between people that's strengthed by, amongst other things, sex between the people involved. This is just once again you trying to vill…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 03:01 PM
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"If you are fine with occassionally eating a burger at McDonalds, that means you don't appreciate homecooked meals at all".
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/26 02:27 PM
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Ideally, being "normal" - whatever the fuck that means - is just the bare minimum of conditions you have to fulfill to even be considered for dating by other "normal" people. And that's it. It's a necessary criterion, not a sufficient one by any means. If being "normal" is the only thing a guy brings to the table in his favor, he'll still have no chance.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/26 05:48 PM
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And you can only be sad about things that you don't expect and get surprised by?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 02:36 AM
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Who says anyone isn't surprised by this? Isn't one of the main criticism against the RedPill (or was it BlackPill? .... eh, whatever) that they proclaim this to be a universal rule basically all women follow instinctively? I'd say that's the opposite of "surprise".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 01:52 AM
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but you can stay in your room when your social battery dies). Aaaaaaaand that would be me. But yeah, jokes (based on real events) aside, this makes sense. It's basically just a recreation of how communities used to function on a smaller scale.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/26 11:04 PM
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You know what? At least about this, you're probably right. And if your comments and posts on this sub prove one thing, it's that your ego definitely doesn't need further inflating.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 02:24 PM
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You wanna 'debate' your assumptions? Nah, thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 12:52 PM
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"My own assumptions and prejudice based on socialization and bad experiences with a select few men matter more than what other men say and do."
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/26 12:18 PM
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That's how you talk to your mother? When she calls you to talk about her problems you make it about yourself and gloat?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/26 02:18 AM
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Not attractive = unpleasant.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/26 04:59 PM
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This feels like you are arguing with a very specific guy you dated and then extrapolating him into "men". That's sorta the throughline in pretty much all of OPs post...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/26 07:48 PM
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I'm talking about dating in general. Besides, i already made the best possible choice for me personally, i'm fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 03:58 PM
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Is my statement not clear enough? Men are supposed to put in a whole lot more work into the approach and initial courting phase. On top of that, what might have been a sufficient first date 20 years ago, is now gonna prompt an attention-seeking video on social media by some overly indignant girl complaining about that broke mofo who doesn't appreciate her worth because he dared to only take her to <insert perfectly fine date idea here> for a first date.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 03:29 PM
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This whole thread is built around guys who refuse to accept that signal and instead want a roadmap to turn lukewarm interest into some sort of burning desire. Good luck with that. Probably because a lot of guys never experience the latter organically, so they have to put their hope into some unlikely miracle.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 03:12 PM
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Maybe dating feels like a chore not because men don't like women, but because women, their standards and expectations make it feel like one and the onus of that effort rests solely on mens' shoulders.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 03:03 PM
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Well, in terms of views on relationship, gender norms/roles, women's right, i'd say i'm at worst average, even progressive to a degree. Didn't help me much so far, so i'm pretty sure that the bar isn't that low. Apart from that... nice theory. But this only works if: A) the amount of men actually following the BS spread by manosphere-influencers is big enough to be noteworthy in day to day interactions between men and women to influence womens' standards in men significantly (to put it simply - …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/26 02:16 AM
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Sure they should. But they won't. At least the majority. And that's that and there's nothing any man can do about it. Except stop chasing and simping. That's the one thing that might change things a bit in the long run. But that won't happen either.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/26 05:55 PM
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Again, i'll jsut disagree on the change of personality. Sure, there might be slight developments, but a fundamental change of who you are deep inside - the kind of characteristics that really hinder you in dating - those aren't just changed away like that. And let's be honest, the physical characteristics men are usually most hung up about aren't as easily altered surgically as the things women have changed regularly. Can't just add a couple of inches to your height like you can add a cup-size.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 07:40 PM
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Except dating success doesn't just hinge on your lifestyle. Looks (beyond your weight), personality... and those don't change with lifestyle.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 07:22 PM
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Why is this about weight suddenly?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 05:51 PM
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I disagree, but let's leave it at that. Some believe people can change, others don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 03:35 PM
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If that's enough, the problem is you aren't someone others would ever in a million years want to date...and then the solution again is for you to change, but again, the person who needs to hear that is the least likely to take the advice. Gee, i wonder why no one would want to hear "advice" that basicalley goes "Yeah, you as a human being as a whole, like, really suck and need to become a completely different person (which you likely can't, because if you could, you wouldn't suck)".
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/26 03:10 PM
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"The odds of success are so low or nonexistent that it's literally never happened before." Exactly that. And yeah, i know... realistically speaking, i know that the odds of success very likely aren't 0. I mean, i'm sure they're not much higher at the best of times, but they probably aren't 0, because there's probably some very desperate women out there who'd take even a guy like me. But actually finding a woman like that and be the one who actually ends up with her against all competition... and…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 07:35 PM
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Me neither. But then again, i don't really find myself in situations where people would do that, so i'm not saying it doesn't happen at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 06:25 PM
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I sure did when i still tried actually getting dates. Still would if i were still trying.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 05:15 PM
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I didn't even make it to being stood up. I was at a "double date" once, where common friends tried to set me and a girl up, but neither of us knew that it was supposed to be that and, just in general, the less said about that fucked up time-waste of an evening, the better. Most of my attempts were before dating apps became a thing, though. And many of them were inmore traditional spaces online for getting to meet people, local chatrooms and such. Never even tried dating apps and not even i hate …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 05:08 PM
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What stops me isn't the fear of being rejected, it's the certainty of it. I tried for around ten years and didn't get a single date out of it. That's why i dropped it when i was 25 and haven't bothered picking it up again. No one wants to fight a loosing battle. Sure, i'm still lonely and also still a virgin at age 37. But it beats being a 37 year old lonely virgin who's constantly rejected. "Juice ain't worth the squeeze" and all that. Especially when more and more men aren't getting any juice …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 04:44 PM
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Lol... if, through whatever miracle possible, a woman would actually end up dating me, the lowering of her standards would very much be implicit from the start. If she had held onto her standards, she certainly wouldn't be dating me. Would i be comfortable with that, though? No, probably not. And i doubt that relationship would last long. And it's not because i'm too vain to want to be settled for. i just wouldn't want to subject a person to the mess that i am. In the long run, that would lead t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/26 03:49 PM
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I'd say "being in the friendzone" and "being friends" isn't exactly the same thing. I can't think of many reasons why the latter would be bad, but i can see why the former is not something one wants to be in.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/26 02:44 PM
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Yeah... men didn't really go through the same kind of development women went through since the feminism of the 60s and 70s. And womens' view and expectations of men got stuck halfway.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/26 05:51 PM
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Maybe it does even out, maybe it doesn't. Doesn't matter, since it won't change either way. And it seems this means that both sides will have to be okay with - to stay within that picture of doing the tango - stepping on each others' feet a lot and ideally find better ways to deal with the discomfort or paint it results in. And an apparently steadily increasing number of men will have to learn to be content with picking up headbanging solo instead. Good thing rock music's better than tango anywa…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 11:50 PM
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So really if the issue is that you want to tell women to approach men more, then that means you need to convince men to stop acting on their horniness more than women do. Good luck though. Well, it's not the only thing standing in the way, but it definitely is one of them. I said so in my own reply to this topic and that men need to change their approach to dating, too. Quote from that: Here's the thing, though. Men aren't off the hook in this, either. If things are to change this way, it has to…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 10:25 PM
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We aren't all dating with no prior knowledge of personality. But it's then despite lack of initial attraction, after having gotten to know someone better and having, apparently, discovered other sides in a person that made up for it. Which is all i was talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 08:54 PM
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Is it unrelated? I'd say it's the logical conclusion. You say dating means acting on attraction (as you say that not acting on it would mean you'd date no one). And what makes people attractive without any prior knowledge about their personality? Looks. Only thing it can be. And then you get people saying, oh, well, looks aren't that important and if you aren't the best looking person, you just have to compensate with humor, confidence, whatever. However... "humor, confidence and whatever" are n…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 08:29 PM
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So it's looks above all else, everything else second. Fine with me, i never denied that. It's usually women that do.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 06:45 PM
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Yeah, well, and neither does a man now if he's just the guy she settles for because the hot guy she had before went after someone younger. We could both-sides this ad nauseaum if we wanted. So? Facts remain. Women are more selective. For good reasons, but they are nonetheless. You yourself said so. And the average man will go for a greater, more varied number of women than the average woman would in return (not sure if the whole 80/20-thing the RP (?) keeps talking about is true, but i think it …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 06:39 PM
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Not a RPer, but here's me opinion. What you're attracted to is not a choice, there are things that instantly get you there or not, it's what it is. But getting to know people you aren't immediately attractive you nonetheless and seeing if there are other, less superficial things about them thst turn you on or not is a choice. Letting an otherwise great guy go because he's just 1,75m and not 1,85m like you prefer because you don't wanna be taller than your guy when in heels is a choice. A lot of …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 05:57 PM
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Wouldn't the same go for the women, too, then? Sure, they can have narrow standards of attraction, but they could choose not to act on them and give men who don't fall into that narrow category a chance, to see if there are sides to him that make him attractive after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 05:47 PM
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Which is exactly why they'd be better of doing the initiating. Men don't know if they're the ones who get selected. Women do.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 03:10 PM
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And because they are the ones who select, as you correctly say, they should be the ones who approach. A guy won't know of he's getting selected until he tries (most men without success most of the time). And we see daily how those pointless approaches lead to all kinds of dissatisfaction, irritation, anger and sometimes downright fear or hate on both sides. If women approach the guy they knoe they want because they chose them, the number of these conflicts could be lowered, if not completely avo…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 03:07 PM
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Agreed. And "providing and protecting" doesn't even matter. It comes down to basic, common sense. Women are the gatekeepers to all kinds of relationships between sexes. There's probably as many men as women who want serious LTRs (maybe even more, seeing how it's proven that women are on average more content with staying single than men are) and there's vastly more men looking for casual sex, affairs and FWBs than women. And the whole gatekeeping makes sense, too, because the potential of harmful…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/26 02:56 PM
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Women being different from men is false, of course But if they aren't, then why would a guy have to learn how they tick? What's there to learn if there is no difference to how men tick?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 06:35 PM
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Okay... well, for one, it wasn't really my intent to challenge your view, i just thought that the story i was talking about was fitting in this context, seeing how, apparently, even women who have tried dating women as a man seem to think it's fucking depressing. Why that is, i do not know, because as i said, i don't really remember the specifics of this story (on the other hand, there have also been occasional posts on Reddit of women who tried to help their male friends' so they'd become more …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 06:31 PM
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As i said, i only very vaguely remember the details, been years since i heard about this. And i didn't know she eventually killed herself at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 04:46 PM
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I only very vaguely remember that story, but wasn't there that one female author who tried living and passing as a man - trying to date as one, too - and got severely depressed over it because it was so much tougher than she expected?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 04:34 PM
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>the problem is more that many men have not figured out how women tick Funny thing is that when it comes to dating advice, especially for inexperienced/unsuccessful men, many women regularly claim that women don't tick differently at all and how men are not supposed to treat them any differently than they would another man.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/26 04:29 PM
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Or if you want to make a point you could just write it down instead of sending redditors to talk to their widowed female relatives that might not even exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 12:49 PM
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Sure, if she doesn't want to date, she won't get dates. Duh. But if she wants to date and is just shy she can still open an account on a dating-app and be inundated with matches and have her choice of men within the hour. A luxury the average man doesn't have, because society - and women, no matter how much feminism they pride themselves on - still expects men to take the lead in dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/26 06:45 AM
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So he's mad she never fucked him in exchange for being her "friend"? Yeah, mate, that ain't friendship and she's not the deceiver in this relationship (or if she is, she's not the only one). I've always gotten along better with women than i did with other guys. The very, very, very small number of people i've ever considered to be real friends were all women/girls. The one i've known the longest, one of only two people in this world i'd call friends, actually is a virgin. Now what if i found out…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/26 04:03 PM
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How is playing videogames uniquely damaging to men?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 10:20 PM
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Where i'm from, they'd call that "hypocritical".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 09:30 PM
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I'll always find it ridiculous if people are setting (weird) bars they themselves can't clear.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 09:27 PM
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No, never been in one, never will be. No.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 08:22 PM
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"I wouldn't date someone who plays video games." Also" "And i play video games.". Oooookay...
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/25 08:20 PM
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How would a random woman even know that a random guy doesn't have sex? I mean, i guess there's some where it clearly shows (i'd know), but in general?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 07:19 PM
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What do girls like that expect? That a guy just starts raping her on the off-chance she likes it? That's just insanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 07:07 PM
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The problem with that is that the Venn-diagram of "Men who get approached by women" and "Men who can do no (or only very little) wrong when they approach/court a woman" is probably just a circle.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 07:05 PM
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The takeaway for guys: The Notebook was made 21 years ago. A lot of the discourse today is course correction for how problematic movies of the 90s and 00s were. (The RomCom genre has since suffered tremendously. Tv is doing a better job. I’m hopeful we’ll get good young writers telling relevant new stories soon). Okay, that's just completely wrong. My sister used to not be big on reading, she just didn't like it. The two book (or series of books) that got her into reading where the Twilight-book…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 06:57 PM
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I'm not sure that's the motivation behind it. However, advice given by stranger's online will ALWAYS be generic stuff that might not even be applicable to the person it's given do. Doesn't have to be bad advice, but it will usually be a very universal one. But that's not necessarily because the person giving the advice is disingenuous, it's because they don't know the person they're giving advice to, their situation, their unique circumstances, etc.. However, yeah... the kind of people who just …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 06:26 PM
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Cool. I disagree. Good talk.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 06:29 PM
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What's the point of that? Can't just look at the context and figure it out. "Men are...". "Women are..." Or in this case "how are women to take men seriously when they are saying xy". But "(wo)men" aren't. Usually when you use those words without a qualifier, it's safe to assume that one is talking about a majority. But the thing is that men or women on the PPD-subreddit aren't representative of men or women as a whole. At all. This is a bubble. Whatever we talk about here might very well hold n…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 06:01 PM
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Oh please. Of course "men" have done things worthy of criticism. Do, have done and will continue to do. As have "women." Thing is... discussions - and your threads specifically (9 out of 10 times i can already tell when i browse this sub if a thread is from you just from the title - like this always make it sound like it's 99% of men and all of male behaviour is only viewed correctly when viewed through your lens. I don't know if you're sexist. I say you have the same way of thinking that a Red-…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 04:57 PM
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You know damn well that you never said that literally. But all your posts are "men this and men that", followed by the broadest assumptions possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 04:45 PM
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Just look at this sub for example. Reddit isn't real life and this sub especially isn't really representative of anything. Sex, how to get it and woe is me I See, and i think this is basically the whole reason why discussion of this sort between members of both sexes will never really amount to anything useful. Men and women simply live in completely different realities when it comes to this stuff. You know why women aren't the "woe is me, however could i possibly get any ?"-type when it comes t…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 04:44 PM
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For fucks sake... So now instead of question what was first you determined that it were women, and get into how men are helpless. No, i don't. YOU, in YOUR comment, that I replied to, claimed men see sex as a reward. In MY reply to YOUR comment i said that maybe that's because women use sex as a reward. And next thing you jumped on a pointless carousel of strawmany BS which we've been riding ever since. Also, i'm not saying men are helpless. But if you want something and you can't get it on your…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 04:32 PM
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You, with pretty much every single one of your myriad threads on this sub.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 04:14 PM
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You must know a metric fuckton of men to be able to make such a generalized statement about roughly 4 billion men with such certainty. Maybe you're just chasing the dickheads?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 04:03 PM
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Sure, some do. But not all of them and not all the time. Which is why saying that every man who says he wants to be desired for who is just wants his dick worshipped is simply wrong and deeply misandristic and dehumanizing.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 04:01 PM
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If women use sex as a carrot on a stick, every man who wants sex will have to play by those rules. And if that is the subject of a debate, than that IS the issue, philosophical nature or not. So it matters. Do women use sex as a reward and that's why men see it that way? Or do men see sex as a reward and did women adjust to that? Btw, in case you haven't noticed, i'm not saying it's definitely one or the other, i'm neither appointing blame nor responsibility, because i genuinely don't know. I'm …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 03:59 PM
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Pointless semantics. Women also don't want to be desired just for their genitals.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 03:54 PM
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Well, it all depends, doesn't it? On who's actually responsible. Who'srhe hen and who's the egg?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 03:43 PM
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Women constantly say stuff like "women want to be seen as people first, not just a vagina on legs", "women must not be objectified" and all that stuff, but heavens forbid a guy says he wants to be loved and desired for who he is... So, what is it? Do women in actually just want to be worshipped?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 03:42 PM
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Maybe a lot of that is owed to the fact that women use sex with them as a reward, too?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/25 03:38 PM
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That small subset of men who'd go that far aren't men you'll reach with clicheed advice on reddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 11:51 PM
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Shocker: Women are humans, too, and you should treat them as such. More at eight. Seriously though, this is not a particularly new idea. Nor an advice most men who have issues with pursuing relations or sex have never heard. I'm also not sure how big the subgroup of men who do this actually is. Subreddit about dating-related issues really aren't representative for general society. And just generally speaking... yeah, people get mad (or sad, or disappointed, or disillusioned, etc.) when they expe…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 11:31 PM
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Question now is if the behavior OP is describing is the reason why they don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/25 11:24 PM
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Well, if that's the case, then yeah, women could instrumentalize that disparity to try and punish or educate conservative men. In theory, at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 05:44 PM
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Maybe, i don't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 03:49 PM
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I'm just saying that this isn't really a good way of 'educating' grown-up men, because there's more than enough women who, for whatever f-d up reason, share their world view and will gladly have the condervative D. It's also not really a punishment, because the hardcore conservatives don't want anything to do with women that challenge their values anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 03:36 PM
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I mean... there are conservative women, too...
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/25 03:11 PM
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Now, this is just me purely guessing, but maybe the thought behind it is that if men were more selective, women wouldn't be so inundated with options that they couldn't afford to be as ridiculously selective as they are now. Also, all the women just looking for attention, validation and ego boosts would slowly, but surely, leave the app, because, well, they wouldn't get as much attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/25 02:42 PM
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Yeah, honestly, i don't see the appeal in therapy. Why would i want "advice" from someone who doesn't give a shit about me regarding things they know next to nothing about? And that's if they offer advice or solutions in the first place... from what i've heard from people who've been to/are in therapy, they don't even do that, they just try to give you ways to cope with all the shit you're dealing with. Treating symptoms, not root causes. Your life will still be shit afterwards, they just gaslig…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 12:41 PM
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"Girl, i chose a lazy, no-good fuck-up as husband, so you better not get any man at all or else you end up like me.". Seems reasonable. Anyways... still doesn't matter. The men choosing robots and AI over real women are doing so out of desperation and a lack of options. They're not the same group of men you're talking about. They'll never become the men you're tslking about. They'll never become good, active fathers or husbands, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 10:57 AM
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I mean... there is a difference, though. The offline equivalent to dating apps for men would probably be cold approaches in real life. How many relationships start like that, though? Don't most of them that start IRL come from whatever previous kind of relationship two people have that develops further? And that's something you just don't get online.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 03:12 AM
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The bear has everything to do with it, as stupid as the whole thing was. Every man you want to approach you is also a part of the group of "random men" until he approaches you and you're okay with it. You know, the random men you don't feel safe around. How are they supposed to know to which group they belong? How do you? You want to meet people IRL. Then do the approaching yourself if you dissatisfied with the lack of initiative from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 03:09 AM
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Ah, yes... all the lonely men who can't get laid or find relationships are definitely men who don't help their wives with chores or take care of their children... You know, all the children they have from all the fucking they don't do with their wives they'll never get.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 03:02 AM
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As one of those men why wouldn't I or shouldn't I be upset at this? I'm also one of those men and... it's definitely a reason to be upset. In theory. But in reality, why would i be upset at this? I mean, what difference does it make? These people you'd be upset about don't even acknowledge you as a person with a lived reality that's different from theirs. They don't care about you, they don't want to care about you, they won't care about you being upset, either. Hell, they'll probably think even…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/25 02:57 AM
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A) Not an incel. I don't hate women, nor do i blame them or everyone else for my dating/social issues B) Nah. Tried that already for years, without much success (pretty sure i'd need some sort of individual training regimen, due to my Type1-Diabetes) and i don't have the money for that kind of stuff. Nor the motivation, really. And i'm also not willing to make the lifestyle adjustments necessary to loose weight and then keep fit. Besides, i was thinner when i was younger. Didn't make women care …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 10:10 AM
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And only autists are virgins? I'm overweight and otherwise physically unattractive, too. Also shy and introverted, not particularly sociable and very boring to most people.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 09:19 AM
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Not to my knowledge. Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 08:42 AM
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While i do think that there's quite a few good points in that post, the thing that all of the young men falling for the right-wing bullshit promising solutions to their issues need to realize - it's never going to happen. No one is going to do anything for you, not the political right, not the left (though in theory, the left at least offers better chances at education and fair wages, and via that might actually provide ways to get young men to better their situations and become more attractive …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/25 04:56 AM
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Honestly, happens to me, too, sometimes. I accidentally default to "he" when talking about random users, because in my language, the word "user" is masculine.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 07:51 PM
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Who's feeling insulted? I'm just saying that it doesn't matter which way you put it - you might call a man you don't want "not interesting", others might say he's "unattractive" and some say that it's because he's a "low value men". What's the difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 06:54 PM
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Put it whichever way you want it. Same result.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 06:40 PM
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Ofc you're not interested in every man you're talking to. I'm not saying you should, nor that that's a bad thing. I'm just saying that the difference between "not interesting" and "low value" is negligible and just semantic hair-splitting.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 06:12 PM
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And why aren't you interested? Because the guy isn't valuable enough as a partner in your eyes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 12:18 PM
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As if "Incel" - like most labels - weren't essentially meaningless terms that anyone fills with indiviual meanings dependent on what they want to talk about anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 12:17 PM
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Incels lack the confidence to pursue women in a thoughtful strategic manner. That same confidence is required to go fuck a hooker. How so? The lack of confidence when approaching women very often comes down to the fear/certainty of rejection. Unless you are seriously repulsive or give off really obvious creep-signs, a sex worker very likely would not reject you.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 12:16 PM
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It is the physics of sex, but it's not the chemistry, and it's the chemistry that matters for most sexless men. Pretty much, yeah. And one of the (admittedly many) reason i so far haven't taken this step, despite sex-work being legal and relatively easily accessible where i live. Especially this part: It's the difference between someone who "wants" to have sex with me because I'm valuable versus someone who "agrees" to have sex with me because my money is valuable. I'm not at all good enough at …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/25 12:12 PM
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Yeah, i thought the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 08:36 PM
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My question was IF they have changed to a noteworthy degree at all, not how.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 08:31 PM
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So that's a "Yes" from you. Okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 08:23 PM
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I though my question is pretty clear - do you think that men, their roles, their perception (self- and otherwise), their (self-)image, have changed as much in the past 40 to 50 years as women have?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 07:53 PM
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I don't have a family. And yeah, sure, i don't have to hunt. But neither do women have to gather berries and that's owed to developments that are neither gender-specific nor particularly modern. I meant male equivalents to things like women becoming more independent and self-reliant, not being reliant on husbands anymore, the likes.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 07:36 PM
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Have mens' roles and the perception of men in general changed much, let alone anywhere near as much as women's in the past decades since the last big wave of female emancipation in the 70s? Genuinely asking/wondering, not meant to be cynical.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 06:47 PM
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There are movies i've seen probably a hundred times and i still enjoy them. What makes or breaks it isn't how often i've seen it, it's how good the movie is.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 05:43 PM
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Should i instead prefer a woman who only "enjoys" sex with me because she doesn't know better?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 05:36 PM
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Well, to me it makes a difference if things are in the past or not. But sure, you made your point. I shouldn't want other people to see things my way.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 03:57 PM
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Because i think a relationship should come with exclusivity. Your partner should be enough for you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 03:43 PM
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"Slut" meaning what here? Just a woman who used to have lots of casual sex? I wouldn't give a damn, as long as she's faithful during our relationship. If we're talking about women who sleep around whether they have a partner or not... no, that's not for me. But even then it doesn't have anything to do with her having sex per se. Sex doesn't devalue a person and people need to get that out of their heads.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/25 03:03 PM
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Ooh, now i'm curious. Please show me where i, uh, what was it... "celebrate" passport-bros. Just quote the comment in question or link it, both is fine with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 05:11 PM
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Making a looooot of assumptions here... but hey, you at least kinda get the basic gist right. Somewhat. A bit. Maybe. Kinda. Parts of it. Now if only you also understood that "passport-bros" are basically the same as women who'd seriously rather meet a bear in the woods than a random guy - irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, a miniscule part of the greater whole and really only present online where people pay attention to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 04:53 PM
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Do you not understand that most women don’t like men who bitterly insult them? Meanwhile women: Yes, the bear, please, men are too dangerous.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/25 01:59 PM
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Seriously though... a lot of the OP reads like "If you're homeless, just buy a house"-kinds of advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 04:12 AM
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Having no social life or social skills might let you end up lonely. In other breaking news today: Water - wet! More at Eight.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 04:01 AM
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So are you looking like an underwear model? Because usually, women aren't exactly known for taking the initiative in that department.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 03:46 AM
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Just out of curiosity - how do you know the women you see in parks are single?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 03:30 AM
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Exactly and same.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 03:28 AM
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The problem with that is that "normal" is a subjective thing and depending on the attractiveness of the guy, his behavior gets judged differently. Plus... let's face it, they guys who struggle with this, or are maybe even afraid of doing it, very often also struggle with social skills and the social awareness to see what women around them might be receptiv (no judgement, i'd definitely be one of those guys). And that's if there are any in the first place, which again also depends on the guy's lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 03:25 AM
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Why would i? Don't get me wrong, i'm not entirely disagreeing with you, there's certainly places and times and ways a man can make an approach - especially if he's attractive - and i'm sure it's not as automatic a taboo and as universally frowned upon as some people like to claim. However... i'm neither in the places nor the situations where it would be appropriate, nor do i have the necessary social skills even if i were and i'm nowhere near attractive enough to succeed anyways. I'm not a masoc…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/25 03:17 AM
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Except that many of those 'promiscuous' women tried to get into a relatkonship with him. But it doesn't matter anyways. Sure, what you write might be true. I don't know. My point was just that there are a LOT! of those other women, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 09:06 AM
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Wouldn't young girls be subjected to those same things?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 03:39 AM
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As if that was an option...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 03:22 AM
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A lot of the advice is centered around building confidence. And that makes sense and a lot of people would probably gain a lot from that. But building up confidence, self-love, etc. out of literally nothing with on no foundation at all is damn near impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 03:20 AM
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Second this. It's not just about/for women, though. If you're not a part of this club no one wants to be in, be you male or female, you won't get it. Not in the slightest.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 03:19 AM
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... i'm not so sure about that. My brother... he's changed quite a bit now, but he was one of those "chads" for most of his life. Good looking, athletic, sociable, thinking he's smart and funny (and, i mean, i love him, but... he's neither of those things), blessed with a sickening amount of completely unearned confidence instilled in him by being the spoiled youngest child of three who could do no wrong despite fucking up constantly. He had girls/women basically lining up to be with him. And fr…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 03:15 AM
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The thing is... you do realize that a lot of what you write goes for the average man, too, right? Sure, most (not all) of my superiors at work are men. Great for them. Doesn't matter to me, he's still my boss and i have to do what he says. If i get stopped by the police, the fact that they are most likely men won't help me, either. I'm subjected to the same laws and taxes women are in my country, be they made by male or female politicians. Most of my teachers have actually been women... 100% eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 03:00 AM
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I've been saying this for almost 20 years at this point... all these people claiming that other people can sense or smell whatever about you on sight are full of crap.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 02:38 AM
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I think you're over-looking the fact most males begin consuming porn when they're like 10 Who? Like, seriously? I mean, maybe i'm getting too old for this, maybe this has changed significantly since i was that age, but when i was 10, i've had many things on my mind. Porn was not amongst those things. Or girls, for that matter... sure, we had crushes back then, but sex wasn't really much of an issue yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 02:31 AM
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I see. Thanks for clearing that up.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 02:11 AM
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Sorry, as someone for whom english is a second language: "Third spaces" means what in this context?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/25 01:31 PM
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Because the women aren't seen as partners. Or as humans, really. They're basically property. Their entire concept of what a woman is and what she's worth is fucked up. You can't compare that par for par with the global West.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 03:44 PM
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Wdym "even in Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia"? These are famously mysoginistic societies where treating women like second-clas(barely-)people is ingrained in all of their institutions and beliefs. That's like going into an active volcano and saying "oh what the hell, even in here it's fucking hot!".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/25 12:00 AM
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And you think redditors specifically going to a subreddit about this kind of thing and picking the exact threads relating to that are representative of anything? That's like going to a doctor's office, looking around and going "Man, 100% of people most be fucking sick all the time.".
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 11:55 PM
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Seems to me you're simply picking the wrong guys. If you choose guys who exclusively care about hook-ups, that's what you're gonna get.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 05:05 PM
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Because sexual compatibility/chemistry matter? Likewise, why do women get offended that the guy they supposedly want to have a relationship with wants to sleep with them?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/25 03:46 PM
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Gonna be honest, i kinda tire of this carousel. Just one last thought for you, going forward - you sure you know the difference between "necessary" and "sufficient"?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 04:02 PM
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Do they not show it or do they not show it in a way that you deem to be just satisfactory enough for your standards that are completely different from a man's?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 01:08 PM
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I never said that sexual desire means willingness to commit. I said - and i made a point pointing that out in my initial comment - that desire is a necessary aspect that leads to a man's willingness to commit. And it plays a bigger role for most men than it does for women. A necessar aspect, not a sufficient one. I also said that there is a clear divide how this stuff works for men and women and that this divide (and also an unwillingness to see the other side) is the source of a lot off issues …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 10:56 AM
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Indeed, i didn't challenge your, let's call it "point". Partially because that's already what my initial comment is about, but also because i couldn't possibly concinve you anyways. And why? Because ypu are doing exactly what you accuse me of doing - you projecting how women's libido works on men and expect relationships to adhere to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 10:15 AM
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Again, with the "seriousness"... him wanting to have sex is one of the criteria for seriousness for men. If he wouldn't want sex, he wouldn't be serious. But yes, some men (a lot of them, i wager) will cater to the woman's needs at the expense of their own. They'll make that sacrifice because the see the long game. They'll go against what's hardwired into their brain and into every fibre of their body so the woman doesn't have to. They'll do that hoping against better judgement that somehow, the…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/25 09:34 AM
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This whole idea that men having a sexual interest in a woman can only mean that he's not interested romantically or on a personal, human level is completely absurd and bizarre. It can mean that, yeah sure, men are perfectly capable of wanting to have sex with women they have a purely physical interest in (hells, men and women alike can be sexually attracted to people they actively dislike, hate-fucking is a thing...). It's a sufficient reason for most men to be interested in sex without needing …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 10:50 PM
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"If a woman doesn't fuck me as soon as possible, then she doesn't find me attractive and I'm wasting my time." Obviously, this is a bullshit lie men say to pump and dump, but let's say some of these men delude themselves to believe that nonsense. So you dont care if she's having a fun time dating you, cares about your interests/hobbies, flirts with you, compliments you, actively listens, etc.? If her legs are not spread within two seconds of knowing you, dating her is a waste of time? Not bullsh…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/25 04:59 PM
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Except i'm not afraid of sex. Is there a group of men who is? Sure thing. Also some who are putting women/sex on a pedestal. And those might benefit from some hands-on experience and a reality check. Everyonr else? Not so much.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 06:35 AM
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Maybe. But how would thst help me in the long run?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 05:02 AM
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And that helps how?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 05:01 AM
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So you believe in the magic and personality-changing properties of pussy? None of this makes sense. You're not a completely different person just because you had sex once. For a lot of guys, what's keeping them from dating and getting to know women is a combination of their lack of social skills, anxiety and lack of attractiveness, and you gain none of that just because you paid for sex one time. And "fatties" got standards, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 04:36 AM
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Except that's the thing... who said my life would be any different just because i decided to go to a sex-worker at age 20? Sure, i'd have had sex, but apart from that? I'd still have to rely on paying for it if i wanted to do it again.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/25 04:31 AM
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Why? If you never had a chance before with a girl you find attractive, why would you using a couple of women to get your dick wet improve your chances and make YOU more attractive to THEM? If anything, if they found out you've been going aroung banging escorts and women you find unattractive, it would probably make them less interested in you.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 09:29 PM
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While i do not necessarily disagree with you, i have heard stories from women of inexperienced, overeager guys who tried to jam it up their urethra, so... not sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 09:25 PM
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Meh... apart from the fact that i don't really see 19 as horribly late, so panic-driven ideas to solve a problem that isn't even really one (yet) are probably not the best choice. And here's the thing... just because a woman is "300 pounds" that doesn't mean she has no self-respect or standards and will just throw themselves at everyone and everything. And even if there are some who would, which i'm sure there are, using someone who's that desperate just to ease my own desperation a bit would pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/25 09:23 PM
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No, Trump may not have preached about this specific thing. But that whole bullshit about masculinity and "men being real men again" and whatnot is a huge aspect in the modern right.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 04:26 PM
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"Going dutch"?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 12:16 AM
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Judging from what i hear from single men i know (i have no experience with modern dating apps, because not even i hate myself enough to willingly subject myself to that) - no, it's not.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 12:15 AM
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That this is probably not something that would occur to the men writing the comments OP is talking about. But i realize now that i probably took the post the wrong way and OP was more asking for peoples' individual reasons for needing a woman than real counterpoints for the men thinking like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 12:13 AM
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But here's the thing... these men have been fooled into thinking that MAGA and the ideology it embraces would solve men's issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 12:09 AM
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Yeah, i'm having around 4 hours of sleep per night... definitely not something i'd recommend, even less if you want to be successful. Unless what you want to achieve is an early death.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/25 12:07 AM
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They just create an impression that this is all men need some silicone and holes to be happy To be fair, that's also the impression some men create.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 11:55 PM
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Kind of a moot point. If the men that consider getting those dolls could pair with a woman, they wouldn't think about getting those dolls.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/25 11:52 PM
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Yes and yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 05:43 PM
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I'd like to refer to my previous comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 04:01 PM
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Cool, cool. Still wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 03:57 PM
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No, its not. I already addressed this in the post. And you're wrong. But feel free to take this up with psychologists and therapists.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 03:54 PM
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Being bullied for years is. But you can call it whatever you like, doesn't change what i'm saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 03:40 PM
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I mean, yeah, sure, lots of people - men and women alike - let trauma and mental issues stunt their development and that's bad. But personally, i'd say treating other people like shit should never be normalized. But that's just me, i guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 03:38 PM
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No, there doesn't need to be only one unique woman for it to work out in womens' favor. It's all about the ratio... there are ridiculously more men who are interested in casual sex than there are women (both wanting it and be willing to do it - and your post actually partly shows why) and men are a lot less picky when it comes to casual sex (especially when it's a one time pump-and-dump kind of thing for them) than women are. That's why women set the rules and the price in this. Because they can…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 03:09 PM
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And yet, vastly more men want casual sex than women. Supply and demand. That's why it's easier for women. And whereas men ask basically no price for the goods they bring to the market (hell, they'd give it away for free and would even spend money for someone to take it off their hands), women make their supply rare and because everybody wants some, they can ask whatever price they desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 12:36 PM
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Need a social group and social skills for that, first. Which is where the troubles begin for a lot of people these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 12:31 PM
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Not that i disagree with you (or agree with OP), but just claiming something is false doesn't exactly make it so.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 12:22 PM
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When people say “looks don’t matter” they typically aren’t saying it with the intention of lying and misleading, they say it because that is the socially polite thing to say. So the intention is politeness. The means to this is still lying and misleading, though. And that's fine. People lie all the time. They lie to make themselves feel better and to avoid confrontation. That's just how it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/25 12:08 PM
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That said, in a lot of arguments on this sub, someone will say something I disagree with, like "men should pay for dates because women have to spend so much more time and money getting ready." and someone else will say something that I disagree with MORE, like "actually women should be grateful to men for not raping and enslaving them en mass." and "women are morally and intellectually inferior to men and should obey them." In which case I will, of course, be quicker to criticize the people who …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/25 08:08 PM
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Uh... good for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 11:43 PM
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That only applies to the men who were, at best, tolerable, and didn’t bring anything worth wanting. No way to know that. The way you put it, it could also be literally every heterosexual married man who had a woman rely financially on them, which, before the women's rights movement, were pretty much most of them. Women aren’t actually incredibly uncomplicated Freudian Mistake?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 10:14 PM
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.... and then we wonder how and why the social climate between men and women became so tense and groups like Incels ae on the rise when, as you say, an entire sex learns that they've never been wanted, only tolerated because they were needed to an extent.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/25 09:30 PM
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And it isn't because they put in more effort It's because dating is like ordering a Pizza to them. But the Pizza is free and will be delivered to their house anytime they want. With as much free extra sausage as they choose. Jokes aside... i don't really have any experience to base this on, but just in general, i'd say that the effort during the actual dating-part is probably shared pretty evenly. At least between people who want to be with each other as equals in a relationship they want to be …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 08:18 PM
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There's still approaching on dating apps, it's just not the traditional way of physically walking up to a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/25 08:09 PM
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Just gonna copy my answer to another comment higher up if you don't mind: And you think women would investigate and spend time getting to know a guy to find out what's the reason behind it? No... they notice he lacks experience, see it as an immediate crimson red flag and turn him down, no matter what the actual reason behind it is. The lack of experience is the reason for that, based on assumptions people have when they hear about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 11:39 PM
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And you think women would investigate and spend time getting to know a guy to find that out? No... they notice he lacks experience, see it as an immediate crimson red flag and turn him down, no matter what the actual reason behind it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 11:38 PM
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... and women do it on dating sites. Same thing, they just don't have to look directly into the face of they guys they're using to validate themselves. Edit: Dating apps. I'm old.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 06:25 PM
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Please don't act like woman won't treat a man who can't get any like a loser. Sure, there are probably more women who wouldn't than there are men (probably because women would benefit greatly from it if it was a common way of thinking), but this is very much a thing both sexes are too blame for. Men get judged when they get no sex, for women it's when they have too much and it's both BS, but sadly very much ingrained in our western societies and also very much upheld by people of both sexes, jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 06:24 PM
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Please show me where i wrote that i'm against any of those issues being solved. Feel free to quote me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/25 04:18 AM
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What i'm trying to say is that nowhere near as many women as you seem to think care about mens' issues, especially those where they don't also benefit from having them solved. Simple as that.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 11:50 PM
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... i HAVE read that. But these are just claims you make. Doesn't mean that's true. And again, these aren't necessarily "mens' issues". It's "issues that, it dealt with, would also benefit men". And let's face it, for every feminist that says men should embrace their feminity there's one woman who'd think those men are weaklings and probably gay. Same with the thing about SA, etc... i myself know A LOT of women who think men can't get sexually assaulted in the first place, at least not by women,…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 07:34 PM
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And I made a fuck ton of posts explaining why it’s a self-inflicted problem. Whether that's true or not, you really expect me to go through your entire post history before replying to a completely different thread? Please actually read the post instead of skimming because I explained this. So, assumptions about men and how they tick are your thing, eh? Don't worry, i read your post. Doesn't mean i take what you write, what you claim "women" and "feminists" care, about as fact (and that's not eve…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 07:16 PM
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A) Like it or not, but a lot of men these days are left behind when it comes to dating. It is an issue for them and it is an issue that can affect people a lot. Sex is a part of that - and yes, it's a big part, especially for men -, but making light of that by claiming they just want to get their dick is neither caring nor empathy. If that's not an issue you want to hear about altogether that's absolutely fine, but it's unfair to those men to reduce it to their untouched dicks. B) What i read he…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/25 06:16 PM
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Not a good angle at all. Lots of friend groups tend to be rather monolithic and conformative.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 03:10 AM
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And because every woman is different and values different things, being "special" or "irreplaceable" to anyone or everyone is completely pointless. Especially trying to "become" special or irreplaceable, because you never no what would make you those things for any random woman. Either you are, or you aren't. And if you aren't... well, good luck finding the one for whom you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/25 01:52 AM
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"Just be special". Killer advice, dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 07:56 PM
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"Friend" has lost all meaning in the times of social media. It can be really any kind of acquaintance these days. Don't overthink it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/11/25 07:47 PM
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I could order up a dozen dicks on tinder right now if I wanted to I don’t want to My point exactly.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 09:06 PM
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Lots of men feel they need tp go for everything with a pulse because they're afraid they'd get nowhere otherwise. They feel like they don't get to be selective and picky. And where does that come from? Because women are TOO picky, so men nees to take every chance they get. What men lack in selectiveness, women display too much of. There's other things, too, of course. Yes, men are less selective, especially for casual sex. Simple matter of fact is that men just don't need as much for a hook-up. …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 01:42 PM
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It says a lot about both sexes, tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 12:57 PM
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Is it really that they say that all woman have sex all of the time? Or is it just that they say that all/most women COULD have sex all of the time IF they wanted to?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/25 12:46 PM
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Your average man has a solid social circle, does something worth trying in life, and doesn’t wallow in self pity. See... and that's the thing: If the average man really was a chronically lonely, socially struggling, sexually desperate looser women don't give a fuck about - and i'm neither saying he is, nor that he is not, because i simply do not know, even though i do have the feeling that it's at least becoming more common - you wouldn't know, because you wouldn't really see much of him, be it …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 02:29 AM
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The autistic gamers who never go out and always in their room wishing a girl would swoop in from OLD? Because that’s not the average men. Average men are the ones you see at your work and school and your friends. Well... i'm out at work efive days a week, but i'm also a gamer who's usually in his room and never goes out. This stuff is not as clear cut as you seem to think.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 02:20 AM
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Okay, so, maybe that's a language thing (i'm german, and while i like to think that i speak english fairly well, it's simply not my native language), but what's the difference between "shy" and "introverted"?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 02:16 AM
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If some random woman i don't know would tell me to smile before going back to playing no role whatsoever in my life was something that would actually qualify as a problem that i'm concerned about for me, i can only assume my life would be so super-freaking-awesome and completely devoid of any real problems that noone would have to tell me to smile in the first place, because the biggest grin ever would be my standard expression. So no... it wouldn't qualify as harrassment. It wouldn't confuse me…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/25 02:13 AM
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I rejected my fiance because his personality sucked. How/why the hell did he become your fiance, then?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/25 12:18 AM
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I don't think that the belief that an autistic man would make a great father is common. Besides, there's also no guarantee that the good looking, confident man would be a good husband/father. Plus, if there is really a majority of men in their 40s who want to walk out on their wife to fuck hot chicks in their 20s - which i honestly doubt, but let's go with that assumption for the sake of argument - than they are more likely to actually do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/25 01:26 PM
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... or it's just statements they agree with because they live through the results of those exact same things in their everyday life. Not because it confirms and reinforces their biases, but because it simply the reality the find themselves in.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 08:50 PM
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"Digital self-harm"? What's that even supposed to mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 08:19 PM
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OP writes "majority", not just "some".
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 08:18 PM
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And who's more likely to find a partner that truly desires them for who they are? The person who has a whole crowd of people looking at them wanting a chance (even if there are a bunch amongst them who see them as "just another hole to fuck") meaning they'll be likely willing to go through the selection process of dating or the person who gets no attention at all?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 02:29 PM
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You know why you find that idea unrealistic? Because it's not the female dating reality. And that's exactly the privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 02:21 PM
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Imagine being a really picky eater. Or a vegan. Or someone with a lot of different food allergies and intolerances and you end up in two different restaurants. One of them has a big menu with a varied selection of different dishes of all kinds. The other restaurant has one dish. Im which one are you more likely to find something that suits your tastes/preferences? That's the advantage. Yeah, you have to sift through the 990 to find the 10 men you want. But what if the crowd of people is 0... not…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/25 02:19 PM
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I have. Been hit on two times in my life, both times it's been gay men. Offline, that is. And it's been a whole lot more, back when i still tried finding a girlfriend online.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 10:14 PM
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Not just by selecting these men. Also by raising them. Feminists often complain that due to patriarchy, most of the work of caring for and raising offspring still falls mostly on women. You'd think that if men were that bad and prone to upholding patriarchy, women would raise them better.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/25 01:38 PM
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Pretty sure sex robots still aren't a thing yet, but the rest is correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/25 08:02 AM
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Personally: Just because i gave up on the absurd notion of ever finding a partner and a relationship, doesn't mean that the wish for one went away. It's something that is still on my mind, something that still weighs on me. something that still troubles me. It became a bit rare over time, but it's still there. So i still think about it and still want to talk about it on occassion. Plus, i just like discussions in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/25 10:07 PM
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Other bad men, yeah, because they are projecting.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/25 02:49 PM
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Because attraction isn't just a matter of nurture, it's very much nature, too. And just like monkeys who chase the monkey with the reddest, brightest ass, we are monkeys who like tall, athletic males or females with hourglass figures. That's just a fact many people don't like to face.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/25 03:53 PM
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My contribution will be absolutely non-existent, seeing how i can't get a woman and won't have any kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/25 01:06 AM
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Looking through these comments, it seems there's a lot of misunderstanding with the use of the word incel for all guys who don't have sex because they can't find anyone instead of just the guys who adhere to Incel-beliefs...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 12:56 AM
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I'd say it's what modern women find attractive in a, well, rational way. I don't know a better way to put it, but feminism, emancipation, equality, leaving traditional gender roles, lead to women knowing that this is the kind of they would and should be happy with and attracted to. However... attraction is mostly not a matter of ratio and mentality/idiology, but very much one of biology and physicality. And as far as that is concerned, all of us - men, women (even the most hardcore feminist on t…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/25 12:50 AM
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He's absolutely right.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 07:41 PM
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No i don't think it's good, but i also don't think it matters for the point i was trying to make. That point being that you're wrong. I've yet to see a single woman willing to dial her standards down that much. Men are. Lots of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 06:40 PM
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Is that what i wrote?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 06:35 PM
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... i don't think you are aware of how many men would take literally every woman that still has a pulse and a body temperature somewhat above zero.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/25 05:58 PM
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I'm not a woman, so i can't tell you what turns women off about the average guy. My point was just that woman can afford to be more selective, which is why they can choose to let the average guy fly under their radar.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 03:20 PM
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Because they can, as the vast majority of men are freaking simps who throw themselves at everything with a pulls in their desperate (albeit understandable) search for relationships and sex. Women, meanwhile, are on average more okay with being and staying single (and have a much easier time finding casual sex should the occassional need arise) so they can be picky and choose.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 03:04 PM
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Or what you're post actually suggests is that women (or you specifically) suck at selecting men, because all those grossly generalized assumptions you have about men can only really be based on men you have experiences with, not the 99,99% of men you'd never even consider dating or having sex with.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 02:35 AM
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Is it "men" or is it "men that most women want"?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/25 02:03 AM
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so she'd basically have to buy her hall passes from you.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 08:34 PM
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... unless you're the kind of guy who doesn't exactly have many options in dating, then you'd better swallow that self-respect and let your girl walk all over you to sorta-kinda keep her.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 08:33 PM
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I’d rather be single and masturbating to porn than be with a woman who cheated or had a roster. Exactly. I'm basically the kind of guy OP is talking about in her (?) post. I'm mid-thirties, never had a gf/relationship, not even sex, whatever, but i also always wanted to marry, have a family, etc., so some people might think i'd gladly take what i can get to achieve that, even if it meant i'd have to accept things like what OP is suggesting. Thing is... i wouldn't. Ever. I don't exactly see mysel…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 08:31 PM
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So like... pimping out your GF?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 08:24 PM
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"the only man for you" besides the ones your banging that aren't him.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 08:22 PM
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"Men would be happier if they just accepted that they're doormats for women."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/08/25 08:07 PM
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A lot of men think that most women should count themselves lucky because it's easier for them to get laid. While that is true, what most of those men fail to see is that this isn't really something women see as an advantage, because for a lot of women, the many potential negative effects by far outweigh the positive aspects - the main one being "getting laid", but even that isn't that big of one, becauise casual sex is not as desireable for women as it is for men, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/25 09:17 PM
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I'm pretty sure that more men would like to have a more active role in caretaking/parenting if they weren't treated like shit for it. And just generally speaking, while still not 50/50 on average, the balance did shift more towards male involvmeent and the middle ground in recent decades, because most families nowadays no longer have to get by on a single salary. Because that's what it was in the "good ol' days". It wasn't just that men did not WANT to take care of their children, it's literally…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 03:50 PM
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Guess it all depends on what you're looking for going into it. But yeah, if you're going into these kind of things expecting or hoping for love, you're gonna have a rude awakening. A human connection, though? Sympathy? A bit of closeness? i dunno. I don't have any experiences with escorts/sex workers (but realistically, should i ever decide that i finally had enough of being a virgin, i'll have to resort to that), but sex workers are human, too. I've known a woman who ran a tantric massage parlo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 10:41 PM
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Not a problem if you don't have a future in dating anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 10:27 PM
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Yeah. But if that one women chose them, they wouldn't choose sex dolls or AI. But not a single woman does. Which is why this hypothetical man chooses sex dolls and AI.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 11:09 PM
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But you clearly are. And you want guys whose endeavors you disagree with to go away and take themselves out of the gene pool. Your words. That's caring. A whole fucking lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 11:08 PM
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If they tried very hard to convince everyone that they don't care about something they very clearly care a lot about... yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 11:02 PM
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Sounds about right.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 11:00 PM
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That too, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 10:56 PM
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In this hypothetical case, it's more like other people - women - have chosen for these men.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 10:55 PM
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Being unattractive is what leads to having no other options, so...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 10:54 PM
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Besides the point he's trying to make.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 10:51 PM
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I think if you're able to gain equal psychological satisfaction with a masturbatory aid as you would with a human being, you're too stupid for me to consider dating yes. Women who use vibrators are trying to get off, not replace human connection lol. Not what you initially wrote, though. It was just "gain satisfaction". Usually not a word used to describe "human connection". How am I complaining I'm literally stating that I dgaf, please leave the west and seek out an impoverished child bride so …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 10:37 PM
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People who are able to gain satisfaction from masturbatory aides like this are fundamentally too stupid for me to be attracted to anyway. So, you think every women that owns a "masturbatory aid" is stupid? Or is it just the men? So if they find someone (or something) that does the things they want, great. Now can you all finally stop b1tching and moaning about the dating pool? ... she said while bitching and whining about guys she supposedly doesn't even consider dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 10:25 PM
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Yeah, that's what i meant to say. I have not put it clearly enough, my bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 06:38 PM
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I'd say "inexperienced" instead of single, because "singles" are usually what women look for when looking for a man to date, right? Or maybe "men who have not been vetted by other women" yet. But yeah, pretty much. As time passes, chronic single lif, becomes an increasingly crimson red flag. That's just what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 05:33 PM
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Just because a lot of men are more easily interested in women and don’t care about their lifestyle; doesn’t mean the women have high standards. But it DOES mean exactly what you claimed wasn't the case in your title... women are harder to attract for men than vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 12:29 AM
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There’s a recurring theme I’ve noticed here—especially from men—about not wanting to invest time, energy, or money into dating or socializing without a guaranteed return. Not trying to generalize here, just talking about me - the reason i just gave up on this entire social/dating stuff about 10 years ago is not so much that i wanted/needed a guaranteed return for my efforts. It's because at every step of the way, it felt like failure was the guaranteed outcome instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 12:25 AM
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... and there's probably simply more horny simps easily parted with their money as compared to wealthy men who want to be tied down if they don't have to. Plus, that wealthy guy who lets women use him for his money likewise uses those women for their looks and the sex they provide. So if he finds one that looks better or provides better sex...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/25 12:21 AM
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Usually people overestimate themselves. But it's simple - if i weren't dumb, i'd not have ended up the way i did.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 12:21 PM
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You read the part about me not being smart, right? Also not having any other skills or interest that i could exploit financially. And on top of that, i don't know how what works where you're from, but here in Germany you can't just waltz into a University randomly and come out with career opportunities at the other end. You have to have the brains for that to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 12:05 PM
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Eventually dying is kinda the idea. But exactly. And you now how it got that bed? Trying and failing. The complacency is more of a thing of the last 5 to 10 years. So if effort and lack of it lead to the same result, why bother with effort?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 12:02 PM
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Decades? I'm 36... i'd be mid-fourties before my life'd even begin to clear up. At the very least, if not older, depending on how shit goes (and that's assuming i even can change that much). And by then i'm a mid-fourties (or older) guy who never had a relationship (and everything that comes with it). That alone would make me a walking blood red flag at that age. A flag that gets ever redder and would overshadow every other issue i might or might not be able to get out the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 09:58 AM
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Pretty much always, yeah. Even as a kid, i always prefered keeping to myself, so i did stuff that i could do on my own. I mean, they're not all my hobbies, i just named those that i think would probably be seen as the most unattractive, but to be fair, yeah, pretty much all of them would count as escapism.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 09:54 AM
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You read the part about "shitty job", right? I have no career trajectory. My "career trajectory" is "being broke and having a f'd up body in old age".
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 09:51 AM
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Oh, so all i'd have to do is *checks list* become a completely different human being personality wise and even then i'd still be ugly. Yeah, i don't think this is gonna work. But... yeah. Seems about right.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 01:45 AM
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I'm overweight and not particularly attractive beyond that (hair-loss, glasses, rather short for a guy, average face at best, etc), i have a shitty job (meaning financially, i'm not exactly a catch, either), i'm shy, awkward, insecure, have no discernible social skills at all, takes me very long to be comfortable around people and once i am, i tend to do things like totally nerd out, which is probably off-turning, too, i'm a loner (which means that a) i have no friends/social circle through whic…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 01:39 AM
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Big five personality traits?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 01:20 AM
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Looks like i'm ahead of the curve, then, because that's been my default for over 10 years now. Now, i don't know if i agree on a wider scale. I don't think romantic connections are rare, i don't think that there aren't enough "good men" out there (not enough men women actually want, though, now that's a different story), most men not being happy in their relationships is also something i doubt to be true, I also don't think the desire for romantic relationships and everything they can or might e…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 10:26 PM
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Probably at home, in front of a screen. And when they aren't, they are probably trying very hard not to out themselves as virgins, especially if a woman approached. Not that that happens, that's why they're virgins... And yes, "they" is also "me" in this case, but i belong firmly to the former group.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 10:14 PM
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Really? Because i haven't tried for at least 11 years now and i've never treated women differently than men... still not a single one attracted to me. Pretty sure that's BS and there's more to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 03:54 PM
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"This is about the sexual attractiveness of other men, which heterosexual men don't give a shit about." It's really not that simple... it's not just about attractiveness to the other sex. It's also connected to things like masculinity, confidence, etc.. Are those things also influenced by how women think about dick size (or by what guys think women think about dick size, because let's be honest here, lots of boys are insecure about the size of their penis before a girl/woman ever comes even clos…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 08:20 PM
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All of that can just as easily be turned around: Men hate sluts= they create them because men are desperate and easy. Men wanting sluts (i don't like the word in this context and i don't think people, men or women, should be shamed for promiscuity, but i get why it's used here, it serves its purpose) doesn't mean women have to become sluts. They could just... you know, not. But they get something out of it themselves or at least expect to, if they confirm to what they think men want, so they do.…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 10:10 AM
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Yeah, of course it isn't...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 09:58 AM
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Doesn't the guy in a relationship bring the exact same thing to the table? So why is it that the guy also should pay for Spa Days and Writing Lessons?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 10:58 PM
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I know! I'm just saying i'm not sure for how many people your suggestion is actually helpful.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 09:14 PM
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Yeah... let me get right on that. I'm gonna invite all those friends i don't have to have a party, which i hate... See, i'm not saying your wrong. For Normies, this is a great idea. But i think you are underestimating the lack of social skills, social contacts and the overabundance of social anxiety in more and more people my age (soon to be 37) and younger, especially those who will frequent sites/subs like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 08:47 PM
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Yeah, see, but it's a gender role women benefit from, so that one's cool to keep alive.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 08:30 PM
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The proverbial village it takes to raise a child. And for many people (and yeah, this is happening in rural areas, too, just not as fast and not as far gone yet) those villages simple no longer exist. Very likely one contributing factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 06:21 PM
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An Anti-Simp-Movement would probably be better for men as a whole...
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 03:55 PM
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The men OP is talking about don't even have that choice, though. The effect porn will have on their relationships is non-existent, because they don't get relationships... that'a why they turn to porn.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 11:54 AM
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How would you watch porn without supporting the industry?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 11:52 AM
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"And men say that raising another man’s child is cuckoldry.But what’s wrong with that? You gain another friend, and when the child grows up, they’ll respect you if you build a bond with them. Is being friends with people who don’t share your genes is always cuckoldry?" Or you don't, because you land yourself a single mom who lets you know at every turn that you are not the kid's dad, even if you'd be fully willing to invest - time, money, and most important of all, emotions - in that child.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 07:10 PM
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Because quite frankly... a lot of advice isn't particularly great.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 04:48 PM
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That's kinda my point. As i said, i do NOT believe women can just easily spott an abuser. But that's because i ALSO don't believe women can just easily spot/sense all that other stuff. Meanwhile, the people who are 100% convinced that women will immediately spot insecurity, frustration, etc. would never dare say that women should then also be able to sniff out abusers. They're trying to have it both ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 12:04 AM
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It's like it is with all radical movements, political, ideological, doesn't matter... there are legitimate grievances (the "dating experience", or problems with it, or lack thereof) people start out with, then there's a group that pretends to care and offer answers/solutions, while also making sure the problems are blown way out of proportion or snowballing, etc. so they can bind the people to the group and before they know it, they're caught in an echo chamber. One does not work without the oth…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 01:59 AM
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I recently talked the whole "having trouble finding a partner" over with some people online and some things said their kinda touch upon this thread... Now, first of all... no, i do not think that abusers are easy to spot. Not at all. I'm well aware that people lie and put on acts to get what they want. Because i do NOT think that women are "ethereal mind readers". The thing is, though... do women know that, too? Because in that discussion i had, that was mostly about the problems of long-term si…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 01:50 AM
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No? Not exactly an expert on american election laws, but i'm pretty sure that he's not elligible, on account of not having been born in America.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/25 08:54 PM
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Technically, kinda.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 02:36 PM
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How blessed i am that this is one of the few insecurities i do not call my own (and no, it's not because i'm hung like a horse or anything). The thing is... men who blame their shortcomings in dating on their dick size get no use out of, as OP put it, listening to what actual women are saying. Because they have no actual women to listen to for that stuff. All they have is what women say about it "in a vacuum". And men are not to blame for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 02:19 PM
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They think now men opting out of dating is bad? Wait how it'll be im 20 years. Three words: AI Sex Dolls.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 02:15 PM
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And a lack of satisfying sex can't end a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 05:26 PM
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It might have been more the norm, but i don't think it was ever socially accepted, at least not in, let's say, the last 150 years. I mean, i agree, in a way... IF it is actually consensual and the sex workers do it of their own, free will, i have absolutely no issues with it, ethically or otherwise. The problem is that that may be a very big IF in reality. Because there'll never be any really way to know if they really do it of their own accord. There will always be a probably not too small chan…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 10:28 PM
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"If men make their sex drive go away, they'd become men worthy of having sex with". That's some monkey's paw crap right there.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 01:33 PM
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Isn't the entire thing of that ideology that this is ALL women?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 10:12 PM
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Well, i'm 36 now, so i doubt i'm too young. But i will admit, my sex ed DID suck. Though, in a way, had i just my sex ed to go off as my only impression of sex, i'd probably never would have touched porn, lol...
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 12:31 AM
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Sure, but then i wonder... if we got rid of porn completely, the urges/needs that make us consume conventional porn would still exist. Meaning we'd still to satisfy them via different needs. So, for example, as you said, via phantasizing about it. Now, apart from the fact that phantasizing porn would still require some sort of baseline understanding of certain things (For example: How would i fantasize sex acts if i have never seen them done? How would i picture a vagina in my mind if i've never…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 12:11 AM
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From my freezer?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 10:35 PM
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If women didn’t exist, porn would still be bad. If women didn't exist, porn for heterosexual men wouldn't, either.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 10:17 PM
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How is this an equivalent?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 10:14 PM
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I agree with your basic premise, but this isn't really a man vs. woman thing, more of an introvert/extrovert, social/not social, whatever you wanna call it, -thing. Yes, it absolutely is hypocritical of people treat not being able to go to the clubs for a few monts as the worst thing ever and a source of never-ending suffering while trivialising the same isolation and loneliness in people whose entire reality this state is (and yes, i had mulitple conversations like this during the pandemic, i'v…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 10:13 PM
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IF your success rate is non zero...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 10:02 PM
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And what's more likely to get them as much sex as possible? A stable relationship with a woman they have an emotional connection with or unsuccessfully hitting on as many women as possible?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 09:44 PM
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You describe the two extreme ends of a scale and i'm pretty sure most men are in between those.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 09:22 PM
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I like hot busty women. And i like pizza. The difference between them? The pizza i can actually get. So pizza it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 09:11 PM
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Which is all cool and that, but that kinda hinges on the likelyhood of a hot woman actually agreeing to have sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 09:08 PM
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Or due to experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 09:05 PM
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If you're close enough to "pay attention to a reaction t hey give you", meaning after you have already approached, it's already too late and the worst worst case might already be on its way.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 09:03 PM
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Maybe it's because you walked up to her to ask her whereas he ask her while standing within your group - you invited her to come with you, he invited her into your group.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 08:51 PM
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Ah yes, as usual, men are the sole problem. Of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 07:55 PM
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Yes, because all those men who find no one are definitely only looking for supermodels whereas all those women who find no one would glady take any of those men. I'd say the much bigger problem is that these women are most likely just as much closed off, socially awkward and thus unapproachable/isolated loners as those men.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 07:31 PM
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Recognize what exactly now? Beside, i just think you're wrong, at least to a degree, because unsatisfied sexual needs are one facette of loneliness, so the way i see it saying "If you're horny, you're not lonely" just isn't an automatism.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 12:16 AM
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So... i don't really have a lot of male friends, but if i did or just going from conversations that usually happen with colleagues, i'm pretty sure it would be a lot more acceptable for me to say that i'm going crazy because i'm horny instead of saying that i feel lonely because i lack emotional connections. It's the kind of vulnerability men just aren't really allowed to show, not only, but especially to other men. Or at least they feel like they can't. Especially since due to stereotypes a lot…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 12:11 AM
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I usually just assume that people have thought their situations through and going so far as to regularly pay for the mere illusion of something that's coming naturally to so many others around them isn't something one would do if there were many other options.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 10:28 PM
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Maybe. But i think for most of them it's not exactly a choice...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 10:19 PM
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Pick me? In a sub mainly for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 10:16 PM
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Is it too much to ask? No. Question is, is it true?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 10:01 PM
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The reason lots of men prefer to spend time in games instead of the real world is that the real world sucks for them. Don't really see how spending time suffering is going tonmake them any more appealing to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 09:59 PM
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Just out of curiosity... how do you know they'd succeed if they try?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 09:37 PM
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Not so sure about that. For one, some men actually consider being a virgin a plus in a woman, because they are so insecure they can't deal with the fact that a woman has a history. And this is just a personal experience of mine, so i might be completely wrong about this, but i feel like women tend to get the benefit of the doubt and it's usually assumed that they stayed virgin by choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/25 03:13 PM
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As a straight men who is apparently not at all appealing to any women on this planet and who has only ever been hit on by other men, i think i have to agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/25 12:12 PM
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Because if "shooting his shot" goes wrong, that potential gym boyfriend pays 270 bucks a month for a membership in a gym he won't be able to go to anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/25 12:02 PM
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It seems you're making too much out of it and overcomplicate things. I think it comes down to one very simple thing - for a lot of men, the sexual part is a more vital part of the "getting to know each other"-phase than it seems to be for women. For a lot of men, sexual attraction if often quite easily achieved with immediate chemistry and things like optical stimuli, whereas for a lot of women, sexual attraction is more easily achieved through trust and a deeper connection on an emotional level…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 11:15 PM
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I think he means that the initial lack of success is just the first step on a long road. In one scenario, anywhere down that road come success and you manage to get off it. In an alternate scenario, that road is paved with nothing but failur, ultimately leading to bitterness and frustration. I assume he's talking about the latter. And it's not so much that the woman fix the man, it's the rare occassions of success and their influence on the guy's confidence and psyche that fix him. It's just you…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 01:07 PM
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.... said the woman womansplaining men to a guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 03:52 AM
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Exactly. The pro-move is hating yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 03:49 AM
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Really? The whole 'initially' could just mean that they started out failing and never stopped. It says nothing about the number of attempts or time passed, does it?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 03:47 AM
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Now... i myself don't have any relationship experience, but if there is one thing i know about relationships from the various stories my exclusively male colleagues tell about their marriages, than it's that women will keep track of even the teensiest, tiniest, most insignificant detail they consider a slight against them, not shying away from bringing that shit up even decades later in arguments completely unrelated to those things. But when a man does it....
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/24 07:27 PM
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"My point is, if this were a game, your odds of success will always be better if you believe you can succeed." And i believe that if you actually have what it takes to succeed, you'll succeed eventually and "believing in yourself" just speeds that process up and helps it along, because you're more willing to take steps that steer you towards success. Believing that anyone can succeed no matter what, however, is what i'd call a clinical case of pathologic optimism.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 02:26 AM
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"Self-fulfilling prophecies are a real thing. If you believe you're worthless, you will act accordingly, and you will be worthless. There is no point believing in the Red Pill if you want to lead a fulfilling life. You are bound to lose." Okay, i know this might sound sarcastic or self-deprecating - and i will not deny that i'd definitely make comments in that vein - but i really mean this as a genuine question: What if i START OUT as (romantically/sexually) worthless? Because that's the problem…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/24 02:21 AM
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AI girlfriends lack the physical component, something lonely people (men in this case) are missing, too. So i doubt that they will have that much of an effect on the dating scene. At most, OF-models and Twitch-streamers will have less success fleecing simps for money.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/24 02:56 PM
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What makes you think these "actually desirable men" are, well, actually being desirable, when they clearly aren't being desired?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/24 01:10 AM
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I'm actually surprised at how balanced it seems to be here in Europe.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/24 11:10 PM
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Seeing how many men apparently struggle with that type of stuff, though, that would mean that either it is actually a lot harder than you think it is or the your idea of what the average man's like is completely off.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 01:36 AM
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There's a hitch in that plan, though... how would a guy who can't get any get a woman pregnant?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 01:25 AM
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Pretty sure there's no answer to that. Some men want the sex, others want the relationship, others will gladly have of the former while looking for the latter...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/24 01:14 AM
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Pretty sure it's "guilty once a jury of your peers determines your guilty", isn't it? And that happened. But yeah, sure, cuck, worthless opinion, what not. If that makes you feel bigger.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 06:43 PM
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It was a lawsuit brought by a private citizen, not Trump's political opponents. None of the cases against him were and none of them would have happened if he wasn't a fucking criminal. And i'm not a "Dem", i'm not even American.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 06:20 PM
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Trump was found guilty for sexual assault and the presiding Judge said that if it weren't for the narrow definitions of the word 'rape' in New York - where only penile penetration counts as rape, but not violently penetration somebody with one's fingers - Trump would be a convicted rapist. So, you know...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/24 04:02 PM
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And i answered. So, did my answer satisfy you and earn myself the right to comment on this thread?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 09:04 PM
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Do i?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 08:41 PM
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Well... about feeling lonely? Sometimes, yeah. It'a a feeling that you can't turn off. About wanting or not having a girlfriend? Nah. Plus, i was once part of "the hunt" and not only did it not change anything about my loneliness, if anything, it made it worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 08:33 PM
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Makes sense in context, i guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 04:00 PM
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"if we grow frustrated we'll just say fuck it mask off and ask you out." Realistically, how often does that happen? Granted, i may be the the most unattractive man on the planet, so it doesn't apply to me either way, but i'm still 100% sure that a woman taking the lead is basically unicorn-territory except for maybe the most ridiculously attractive of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 03:58 PM
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Or you just choose not to hunt.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 03:53 PM
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I'd say yes, but that's just me being socially inept.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 03:51 PM
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Bloopies?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 03:47 PM
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So it's a game with a shitload of rules for half the playerbase, an outcome almost entirely left to chance and a big number of possible disadvantages set before the game even begins if you happen to be dealt a bad hand. Yeah, nah, thanks, i'll stick to my video game objectives...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/24 02:10 PM
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I went to the gym regularly for about one, one and a half years, and that was back when i was already way fitter and lighter than i am now. Didn't really do any of these things for me. But even more than that, as i said, literally anything i'd have to do to get fitter are things i actively hate and don't want to do, so there's that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/24 02:06 AM
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What everyone seems to be missing is that you don't improve yourself for others. You become more fit to be more fit. You develop interesting hobbies because you want to enjoy things. You become more socially skilled to start enjoying social encounters. You become the best version of yourself because it's enjoyable to be that version, and then if you end up finding someone who likes you the that's great. I disagree... It all depends on who you are as a person. I mean, i've been at that point wher…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 03:35 AM
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Fine the type of woman attracted to me? Hm. So... none? Okay. Done. What's the next step?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/24 03:24 AM
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Well, as i said before, for a lot of men, women aren't as abundant as toilet paper actually is (and was at the beginning of Covid). They are scarce, for some men maybe completely unavailable. Not the women themselves, per se, obviously. After all, they make up half the planet's population, but their availability for dating, sex, relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/24 01:36 AM
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Yes. When it comes to toilet paper.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/03/24 11:16 PM
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I know how he does it (or, well, used to, anyways). Not exactly knowledge easily applicable by me... Well, that and i'll be damned if i actually reveal to my little brother (and the reat of my family with him) what a fucking looser i am.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/24 03:24 AM
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Yeah... but it's not an illusion though, because the guy still matches with her. And chances are, a guy matching that randomly will also actually try getting with her, given the chance, so they are legit options. And most guys can't get either, be it real or illusionary options.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/24 03:20 AM
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My brother used to be one of those guys when he was younger. Ridiculous body count when he was single (often with women a lot more mature and experienced than him who should have known better), a cheater and a liar when he was in relationships. It went so far that girls actually warned other girls they didn't even know not to get involved with him via social media sites when they got tagged with him in photos and things like that. And yet girls would still fall over each other to get with him...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/24 03:16 AM
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Personally, my 'solution' was to just give up on that part of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/24 03:07 AM
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Okay, but is is 'perceived scarcity' for guys? If a guy can't get dates leading to casual sex or let alone relationships, it's actual scarcity, isn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/24 03:04 AM
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From my perspective it seems like these men care too much that women could get attention like that so easily. But at the end of the day, what does this attention really amount to? Asks the question for yourself as to why you care so much? Why do you want this attention for yourself? Yeah, why could men possibly want sex or dates? A mystery for the ages, i guess...
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/24 03:00 AM
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That "autism"-thing needs to die as much as what American's think a german accent sounds like...
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 03:02 PM
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Okay, british guys, that i kinda get. But as german guy myself, that part surprises me.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/03/24 02:51 AM
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Started to dawn on me when i was between 12 and 15and i fully 'accepted' it when i was around 25.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/24 03:32 AM
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The only reason we know there's no chemistry is because the title and tags of the video suggest there is none. We get literally no other context about the supposed relationship of these two fictional people.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 03:42 PM
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I have no idea how you misinterpreted my comment so badly...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 03:34 PM
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You mean the guy acting in the video specifically done to make a point? The guy who, if it were a real guy in a video that's not staged, we'd be the ones having absolutely no clue about what their relationship is like?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 03:29 PM
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Women do a piss poor job of showing that they even like average men. I mean... do they even?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/24 11:14 AM
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Well either even a manipulative woman hunting for victims won't just take anybody or b) even manipulative women can't be bothered to initiate.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/24 04:38 PM
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It's just how our brains work and helps us deal with the world and the influx of information we get. We put them intonneat little boxes so we can process them better. And per se, that's not a problem. It's when you refuse to give those boxes or the placement of things therein a second thought.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 05:23 PM
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You're not buying the woman, though, you're buying time with her. It just so happens that often, sex happens during that time. No one complains that calling a plumber to your home equals buying the plumber.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/23 04:59 PM
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I forgot. USA. Right to guns but no right to your own pic.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 10:57 PM
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We don't even know if they are making eye contact. She might be looking out of the window, trying to look inconspicuous while she's filming him (which i'm pretty sure she didn't exactly get consent for, either).
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/23 07:12 PM
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I don't have dating experience, but... the dating experience of everyone i know, especially the womens' disagrees with yours. So, what now?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/23 12:49 PM
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He just goes to the other extreme on the range of women that were talkes about. And his point is that the entire range of women, no matter how attractive or old they are have those demands
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 04:04 PM
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Of course they understand. They are one of the main groups facilitating it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 03:51 PM
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"if he doesn't meet those demands". Shouldn't have left that out, but i thought it's be rather obvious.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 03:48 PM
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I mean, sure... some of the things you write are valid points, but still - why should feminism adress men's problems? It's about womens' issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 02:52 PM
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Oh come one... look, i'm not saying his point is factually correct, but it's really not that hard to grasp. What he means is obviously that no matter what a woman looks like, her demands remain the same, be it the "attractive, younge, youthful woman" or the "fat ugly single woman", meaning no matter what his target demographic is, he's fucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/23 02:49 PM
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Okay, yeah. Maybe. If that's the case, i agree with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 08:23 PM
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The part about finding out your wife was a side hoe for someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/11/23 04:49 PM
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"Seeing an escorts is more dignifying then finding out your wife" At this point, likeminded men who believe in this circle-jerk rationale should just date and marry one another. While i can agree with the rest of your comment, this part makes me wonder. What mindset are you talking about here? Do you really take the side of cheaters here?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/23 11:08 AM
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"Drug use" = "building character". Aight, maybe i'm better off dying alone if that's what'a considered interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/10/23 04:47 PM
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Oh. I see. I though it rather obvious that that line was supposed to be gallows humour, but okay. I'll take it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 05:33 PM
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Violence?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/10/23 03:29 PM
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How would that help?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/23 10:43 PM
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Okay, kinda makes sense, i guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 04:17 PM
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Also I did say it was only getting "a bit" better and I agree its not by much. I'd say generally we are more accepting of chronic singlehood for everyone (a social change spearheaded by women actually). More accepted, yes. For women. Men? Not so much. Men still very much get judged on things like the amount of their sexual conquests, their ease in dating, etc. The problem in general nowadays in that regard is that unlike our view of women, our view of men hasn't really changed much. Feminism hel…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 04:10 PM
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That's not gonna work, though, is it? Not only are there enough men to whom success in dating comes so easy, they'd have no reason to stop asking women out, there's also the fact that apparently, women are more likely to be content staying single, so in the end, they'd feel less pressure to start asking guys out themselves then men do. And meh, happiness, schmappiness. Crap's overrated and i'm done with expecting or even wanting it. Besides... yeah, of course it can, theoretically. But it's a pu…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 04:03 PM
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The problem i see with this is that even if said friend would see that there isn't an obvious problem and it's all just a result of... whatever (bad luck, previous lack of interest/effort in dating, focus on other things in life, etc.), there still would be something in the way that keeps those friends from dating, or... well, or they'd be dating already.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 03:57 PM
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I think past 18 most people see male virginity as a red flag. This is mostly due to the media's portrayal of male virgins as dangerous and the fact that they are only mentioned in relation to mass shooters. This has changed a bit recently but the stigma is still there. Has this really changed? I'm a 35 year old guy without experience myself and honestly, i feel like it has gotten even worse, especially with the spread of incel-crap on the internet. Now that this bullshit is pretty much common kn…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 03:53 PM
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FOMO? By dating a woman, they literally are no longer missing out... why would they throw that away? Hoping for something better, even though they obviously had trouble getting any up until that point?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 03:42 PM
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Exactly, men, you don't have to ask any one out! Screw it, just die alone! That will show those social norms...
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/23 03:41 PM
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You're not wrong, but you're not completely right, either. Thing is that it's women who push that lie. And maybe even believe that lie themselves, even when they're every choice and preference in men says otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/23 09:47 AM
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I mean... most guys around me wouldn't even know wtf Red Pill means. Hells, even i, though semi-regularly visiting this sub after having come across it via an unrelated thread in another sub, still don't really know what any of those "pills" are really supposed to stand for.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/10/23 11:38 AM
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Getting to fuck once every couple of years? What, am i Casanova? Lol No, seriously though, if i had to guess, it all boils down to how happy people are with being single. And from my experience, women are happier single and would rather stay single until they meet a guy they really click with, whereas most men would rather not be single and would be quicker to settle at least have any relationship. So let's say there's 50 single guys and 50 single women. 15 of each click with each other, they ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/23 03:09 PM
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Society as a whole has little to zero tolerance for weird and awkward guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/10/23 03:40 PM
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Have to disagree on the importance of muscles. As you said, that girl in the gym said he looks like a guy wearing somebody else's body. That's not because she doesn't care about his muscles. She said that because the thing she's attracted to about him, his built, doesn't match the thing she finds unattractive about him, his height. Muscles aren't dated. They are, as you say, somewhat 'commonplace' at least on social media and in other media, movies, etc. Ever big blockbuster star is jacked, a lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 04:31 PM
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Have to disagree on the importance of muscles. As you said, that girl in the gym said he looks like a
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/23 04:25 PM
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That's not numbing, those are coping mechanisms. They don't take away the wants and needs, just substitute the desired, yet unobtainnable things as good as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 09:12 PM
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Oh, yeah, dating market is better than it ever was. Well, for those few men who still get to participate, anyways.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/23 09:08 PM
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Not true. In the end, it's about attraction. If the criteria you listed are 'the bar', sure, that stuff is nice and a hot guy passing the bar will win over a hot guy not passing it. But if it's a hot guy vs. an ugly one, the hot guy will win nine times out of ten even if the hot guy limbo-dances beneath the bar and the ugly guy flies over it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/09/23 05:27 PM
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If i had to guess, i'd say women are more used to complinents and verbal affirmations.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 01:09 PM
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The benching, maybe. For most men. The rest? Nah.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 11:12 AM
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Wouldn't do much. Words are hollow and lies are cheap. And actions do speak louder than words. No man will believe this crap if the next ten women he hits on are still going "Eww".
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/23 11:11 AM
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Yeah, that is, in my opinion, where big parts of the problems in dating today comes from. Since feminism became a thing, the view of women in society has changed, as has their role, their view of themselves, everything about that (sure, those changea aren't well received by all, but that's always gonna happen with every big changed). But while women and their place in society has evolved, and all things considered it's good that it did, men and their place in society hasn't changed. Nor has wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/23 02:21 PM
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Not sure what yoour point is.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 05:00 PM
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Okay, so, for now i'm not going to get into a detailed point-by-point answer, because that could easily turn into a rambling rant and no one needs that. So just two quick things for now. First, most of what you write is true, at least to a degree. But nothing about that is caused by men overestimating their own physical attractiveness, as assumed by the OC in the opening post. After all, you say yourself that those guys think their looks don't matter. Not that they think they're looking better t…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 02:20 PM
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Why would a guy blame a woman for being picky if he actually thought he was attractive enough for her? Pickyness in superficial characterstics wouldn't cross his mind as a possible reason because he'd assume he'd fit the standards. Most ugly guys are well aware their ugly. The issue comes from most women not willing to admit that they are just as superficial as they claim men are, which is then in conflict with the whole BS about "personality matters more to women than looks". BS pushed by women…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/23 01:12 AM
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Early Twenties it's seen as weird, Mid Twenties it becomes a red flag that gets more crimson with every passing year. So yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/09/23 12:06 PM
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Not saying they are? They can still feel bad about not getting any.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/23 03:45 AM
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People in relationships don't exactly matter here, though, do they? OC's opinion is about men NOT in relationships WANTING relationships and her idea about why they can't get any. If what you say is true and women and men have relationships at equal rates, the numbers of men and women being single should also be roughly the same. Yet actually being single seems and being bothered by that seems to be more common amongst men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 10:31 PM
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I guess. And i think that that's what way more men are looking for than OC thinks.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 09:06 PM
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Don't exactly care.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 07:27 PM
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When my parents or (predominantly) male colleagues ask me, i say the same. "Oh, i want to have my time for myself.". "Well, i'd rather not have to arrange my schedule around someone else's and be free to do what i want and when i want it.". "Nah, i'd rather spend my days alone, playing games.". When in reality, the reason for me being alone is simple: No one wants me. And the reasons for not even trying to find someone anymore, while more varied and complex, are all based on this. But that's not…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 07:18 PM
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How many years of your life have you spent as a man?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 05:48 PM
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Can't =/= don't want to, dear.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 05:47 PM
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Well, because i am one of those people. Unlike you, who is talking about a group of people you're not even a part of.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 05:46 PM
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So?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 04:41 PM
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And sure, most men might be able to find A partner sooner or later. Not necessarily the right one. Wanting to find the right partner is not the same as wanting to have an abundance of partners. However, having an abundance of choice and options makes it way easier to find the right partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 04:00 PM
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...yes, becaus people are definitely gonna read a 14 page essay for a reddit-discussion.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 03:55 PM
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If most men are getting pussy, i wondee what's with all the complaints about the rising number of shut-ins and incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 03:54 PM
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I am absolutely sure that some men believe that and they think they deserve scoring pussy everyday. But i doubt that it's all or even just most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 03:48 PM
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Replace "and abundance of" with "any" and you might have something going here.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 03:45 PM
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How do you know that the guys not approaching in bars are the same ones complaining about a lack of success here? Apart from that - can you blame some of those guys? From the moment on that they started being interested in girls/women, they get told that they are not enough, sub-par, weird, creepy, that no woman would be interested in them, that they aren't attracrivee enough. Some directly, others just hear woman talking about the kind of guys they are and their attempts of approaching. And tho…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/23 02:20 PM
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Luring? Isn't that when women tell themselves that they are actually the once initiating by dropping hints, when, really, it's still putting the burden of actually approaching solely on the guys?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 06:58 PM
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... i mean, the guys not being able to handle rejection now would then become the guys not being able to handle not being hit on by women and would probably react just as creepy or aggresively to it. That being said... i'm not sure it would be all around better for women - because let's face it, overall, with the burden being completely on the guy, they have it really comfortable - but i do think that it would have a generally positive effect on the relationship between sexes in the long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/23 06:54 PM
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At this point in my life, i'd probably turn her down. But none of the reasons for that would have anything to do with her. Then again... if she was actually willing to date ME, she'd have to be really ridiculously desperate, so much so that even i'd probably notice.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/08/23 05:48 PM
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Yeah, he and Lilly were one of the first members of the Order of the Phoenix. But they never mention what he did for work. We only know that they weren't exactly poor, apparently.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 10:11 PM
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My question was whether James was an Auror, not whether Aurora were the Wizzard-Cops.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 07:34 PM
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A cop? James was an auror? Is that one of Rowling's many little tidbits she gave over the years? Because it's never mentioned in the books.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 03:07 PM
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It's even worse than him trying to get the Potters killed. He would have actually been perfectly content with James and Harry being killed, if it mean that Lily was just GIVEN to him by Voldemort afterwards.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 03:04 PM
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I blame a lot of this on the movies. They romanticize Snape a lot in the end.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 03:02 PM
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Draco ended up not being all that bad. Not sure about 'good'. But he's definitely more of a victim of his circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 03:01 PM
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James was a bit of an elitist jock and a pubescent jerk, Snape a freaking Wizzard-Nazi, who eventually would have gladly let Wizzard-Hitler kill the husband and child of the woman he supposedly loved if it meant Wizzard-Hitler would have given her to him. And apart from being a jerk to that one kid (who, btw, in return was also a jerk to him AND didn't hide his Wizzard-Nazi-side and frankly problematic interest in the Dark Arts even as a kid), almost everyone who talks about James over the cours…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/23 02:58 PM
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Hence the "usually". There's always the unusual, too. Apart from that... what she counts as "effort" on her behalf is just the absolute bare minimum and something most women won't think twice about dropping a guy for if he only did as much as that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 04:30 PM
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So you mean to tell us that men like to be treated as valuable human beings, not having to carry the entire burden of the dating proccess both in terms of effort as well as costs, sex and blowjobs? Mindblowing.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 04:00 PM
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Tbf, women usually get quite far in dating by doing nothing...
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/23 03:54 PM
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I mean, yeah? Why would anyone change your view on that, it'a simply true. Two issues with that. For one, every good saleaman will also tell you that appearance definitely does matter. It's not completely irrelevant just because you've got a golden tongue. Though i guess the average looking guy will be finde if he really can talk. Second thing is that, well... the way i see it, you can't learn this shit. You can refine your skills, sure, but you gotta have an apptitude for it to begin with. Some…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 12:13 AM
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Original advice does, though, j guess?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/23 12:01 AM
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Meh, i usually know exactly how it'll go even before i'd try, thanks to a very simple and obvious hint: Is she a human female with a pulse? Then there's no use in trying.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 05:19 PM
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Like a fat tourist telling a starving kid in Africa to just go to McD...
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 05:02 PM
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I mean... i do not think that women are evil and only out for your money (or whatever) and had i ever had the chance, i'd have probably gotten married, but honestly, trying to look at it objecitvely, i still kinda think it's a really bad idea for the average guy, at least in the west were divorces tend to be VERY favorable for women..
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 05:02 PM
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Sex is an important aspect of interpersonal social interactions (not even mentioning the fact that it IS a necessity for the survival of the species, there's definitely a biological imperative to it). While it may not be necessary for merely surviving (as in continuing to exist), for most neurotypical people it is definitely a key part in living well.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/23 04:59 PM
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Except that they are making clear that they are not talking about "NiceGuys"® but genuinely nice guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/23 11:13 PM
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As i said... a lot of men won't care. At that point it's either having someone who may be in it for the wrong reason or no one at all. And after who knows how many years of being completely shunned by who and what you desire, "no one at all" is the more dreadful option. And at age 35, i'll admit, i get it. Not saying it's the right choice, not even that i'd make the same choice even if i had the chance, but i get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 03:54 PM
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Don't know about necessity, but women do hold the monopoly and they make the guest list of who's allowed in the store.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 03:43 PM
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Oh, women will be attracted to his money, though. Some men either don't see the difference or they don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 03:41 PM
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True. I mean, i'm basically an abomination, but if anything, most of the people i've ever gotten along with and would consider friends were women/girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 03:39 PM
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If what OC says is true, you don't even get the chance to "deal" with women, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/23 03:37 PM
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I mean, yeah, but still...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 07:34 PM
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Yeah, then i definitely think the average guy in that bracket struckles. Both in person and infinitely more in OLD
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 07:28 PM
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Hm, i just figured, you american? Because i just checked, and there's a higher percentage of college educated people in the US then where i live (Germany), mostly due to how the general education system in relation to career prospects works, i guess. So i can see why your idea of average might differ from mine (although i still find it hard to believe that driven, ambitious people in well payed jobs are the norm in the USA). And as i said, your idea of below average is the actual bottom of the b…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 07:27 PM
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Not quite as much, i think, but to a degree, yes. Depending heavily on age range, though, if i had to guess. The younger they get, the harder it should be. OLD, by it's very nature, has to fuck the average guy over. Question is, does dating happen more in OLD or in person.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 07:22 PM
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Okay, cool, but really not the point of my statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 07:17 PM
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Your "below average" is the lower extreme end of the spectrum, whereas your idea of "average" is scrapping at the upper end.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 07:16 PM
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Yeah, gotta tell you fam, your definitions of average and below-average is way off...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 07:10 PM
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Honestly, i'll openly admit that i am definitely way below average, which is why i'm no longer bothered by my lack of success or consider my strruggle in this. But i'm still convinced that, according to - admittedly subjective, of course - observation that the averge guy struggles. If you just look at how things like OLD on apps works, it's just logical.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 07:07 PM
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If only it were illegal and you could somehow go against the assholes doing it on porn sets...
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 05:32 PM
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Sounds to me more like a need for regulation and enforcement of existing laws.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 05:00 PM
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The relationship is the comprehensive course. At least ist should be for people with common sense, empathy and basic human decency. Now, for example, if a guy pushes his dick all the way down his gf's throath without talking it out beforehand or thinks he can casually slip it in her ass without asking first, some foreplay and a shitload of lube or a woman thinks every guy has a dick looking like a toddler's arm holding an apple and stays errect for an hour of constant action, i'd say they fail t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 04:17 PM
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Then every other job is paid slavery. Which... makes it not slavery, because it's paid and you go there voluntarily, even if your only incentive to do it is the pay.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 01:57 PM
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​ No, "Everyone is different." or "You need to experiment and learn with your own partner." doesn't work, especially not on single people. Single people have nobody to explore with and nobody to talk about their sexual desires. They need to be told, in general, what a typical sexual encounter actually involves, how common certain fetishes and kinks actually are, how to ask a partner for sex, how reasonable and safe it is to request X or Y, and so on. Simply put, we need sex education for adults,…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/23 01:55 PM
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How are those numbers even happening? All young women date older guys and share the same fuckbois?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/23 12:12 PM
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Pretty much nailin' it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 09:00 AM
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The underlying statement of both those advice is just "A lot of men will never get there and if you're one of them, it matters fuck all what you do.".
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 08:14 AM
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Ah, yes, the "all women are telepaths" again... makes you wonder why so many women fall for assholes and liars, then.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 08:11 AM
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Good advice for americans, maybe... there are, like, 35 cities with over a million people in Europe and a decent chunk of them are in Russia.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/23 08:09 AM
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Hm... i haven't had that many crushes in the first place, but every single one of them would probably be considered average by the general public. They weren't to me, ofc, or else i probably wouldn't have been attracted to them. But generally speaking definitely all of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/23 04:02 PM
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No, i get what you're saying, i think. ​ I get what you are saying, try and deal with your partner so they feel greater pleasure removes the fact that you aren’t exactly into it. I know however, for a matter of a fact, that I wouldn’t enjoy the sex so much if we were trying something I didn’t exactly roll with. I would be more than up though, to find something we both like, so it is a win win. In the end, it's a balancing act, isn't it? As i said it all depends... It's a spectrum. On the one end…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 12:07 PM
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In the end, it's also a give and take. Maybe just every once in a while, take one for the team. Do it in missionary because she likes the intimacy about it, even if you prefer doggy. Let him finish in your mouth every once in a while and if you don't like the taste, spit it out discretely instead of looking at him in disgust like he just decapitated your cat in front of you. And i'm not saying to submit yourself to things you're absolutely uncomfortable with. Like... anal, for example. If it's c…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 11:38 AM
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I agree. Like any insecurity, these are valid concerns for guys. It's okay to have them. And guys shouldn't be expected to just take it in silence. However... i will say that even though, as i said, it's okay to be insecure and self-conscious about these things, i'll also say that it's not healthy. Not for your self-image and not for your relationship, especially if it means that shared sexuality will always remain uncomfortable or unsatisfying for one of the people involved. So yeah, i would ad…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 11:05 AM
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It's insecurities and anxieties, maybe self-consciousness about certain short-comings... turns out men are, in fact, actual humans with emotions, too. And some men might feel like they are not enough for their partner when toys are introduced and thus an easier way for them to reach orgasm for which he technically doesn't even have to be there. Same way, for example, women with smaller chests might start to feel insecure when they find out their guy looks at porn with women with massive boobs. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/23 09:56 AM
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I mean... i know that no women will ever find me attractive (especially physically) no matter what, but most of the physically unattractive traits of me are things that i 'get', that i would be willing to change about me should i choose to or that i actually find unattractive on me myself. But the one thing i do and would keep doing is the way i dress. I like comfortable clothes, simple ones (jeans, t-shirts and/or - monochromatic - sweaters and sneakers when i'm outside, sweatpants and t-shirts…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/23 09:27 PM
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Don't insult my empathy just because you ignore aspects of the bigger picture to make your point. Men can suffer from the same type of manipulation, it just usually leads to different ends. For example, a man will manipulate a woman to sleep with her, whereas a woman will manipulate a guy to string him along until she considers him worth sleeping with. The difference, however, is that Women do very rarely suffer the constant stream of rejections that guys do.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 01:45 PM
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That''s like, your opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 10:11 AM
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For heavens sake, you chose the picture, now don't complain about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 10:09 AM
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It is the same. The results of the bad options just vary.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 11:25 PM
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If you're getting pumped and dumped you still have the option not to let them pump and dump you immediately and take your time sorting out the fuckboys. If you are invisible, you're exactly that and no one couldn't even be bothered to piss on you if you were on fire.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 11:22 PM
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Or, you know, he climbs the tree, falls down and breaks his neck, and even though he somehow survives, it gives him serious trauma that will effectively prevent him from ever climbing a tree and picking another apple again.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 11:16 PM
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Even in that regard, women have it kinda better - not sure who said it, but to quote a line i once heard, it was something like this: "I envy women. It's not necessarily that your problems get solved, but at least they are heard and taken seriously. Everything that happens to a guy is just considered funny.".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/23 11:11 PM
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Generally speaking, in my exeprience, when it comes to demands and expectations in terms of looks/type, guys set their initial ones a lot higher than women (some might say unrealistically so, often comletely disregarding what they bring to the table themselves), but are way quicker and easier to adjust their expectations and settle for another type, whereas the average woman's' bar is set a bit lower and (often, but not always) more 'realistic', but she's way more likely to hold on to those expe…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/23 06:10 PM
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Because let's face it, when a lot of women say equality, what they actually want is privileges. Men can gladly keep the hard parts. For example being the one who has to take initiative, paying for dates, etc
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 01:48 AM
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Exactly. But she could. Doesn't work the other way round.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 10:22 AM
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Do you have any idea how many guys are out there who would climb just about everything that has a pulse? Do morbidly obese women have limited options? Sure. Are these options as limited as those of a morbidly obese guy? Not even close.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 04:25 AM
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Put a lot of thought into that one, didn't you
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 03:06 AM
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Not sure i wish i was gay, but other than women, gay guys have hit on me before. So there's that.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 11:31 PM
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Tell that to all the people with zero social skills. Shit's never hard if you don't have issues with it. Saying shit isn't hard doesn't make it easier for the people who habe a hard time with that shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 10:55 PM
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Cool, another rule i'm an exception from, then.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 10:53 PM
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I think that's a bit too simplistic. You said it yourself... basic conversation skills, etc. matter. If you don't have those basics checked, your numbers won't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 10:51 PM
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How is that supposed to happen?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 10:18 PM
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Men can survive without CIS-women? Yeah... for one generation, sure. After that, humankind dies out
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/22 09:07 PM
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I'm far from comfortable being single (i'm, i don't know, conscious of the fact that i'll have to stay single, and sort of accepting that it is what it is, even if i wish it was different), but i still consider the effort (and eventual, unavoidable failure) not worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 11:51 PM
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I'll just have to take your word for it. I can't even make it past the starting block, let alone that hurdle you talk about.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 11:47 PM
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Sure it's sad, but that alone doesn't prove or disprove the basic idea it's based on.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 05:29 PM
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So? Apart from the fact that there ARE definitely qualities that are more likely to be considered attractive by most people, even if you break it down individually it's still true. Pick a random number of women and even if every single one of them has a completely different list of things that appeal to her between them, you still have to meet those individual standards. And if you don't, you don't make the cut.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 04:47 PM
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Maybe. Maybe not. I couldn't say, tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 04:40 PM
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I mean, if that's the truth, i'd say it's pretty anger-worthy.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 04:29 PM
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I'm pretty sure the "going after" is not per se the problem, it's putting them on a pedestal.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 04:27 PM
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"Being yourself" only works if "yourself" is what women want.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/22 04:26 PM
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My very subjective opinion, very broadly speaking (and i hope i can put it in the right words, since i'm not a native english speaker): There are attributes, characteristics, qualities our society considers attractive in men and women and they are different for each sex. Low-self esteem is something that's completely in line with and supportive of what is traditionally considered attractive in women, whereas it goes against everything that is considered attractive in men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/22 06:37 PM
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Sure. Not my point, though. What the OC called a "desperation for sex/love" is, first and foremost, nothing else but an inherent need that's not being met. One of the reasons for desperate attempts at fullfilling those needs might be seeking for validation, which should come from oneself, from others instead. But that's not a given, whereas you made it seem like an automatism. That's all my comment was about.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 11:06 PM
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I don't know. There's something to that, sure, but to reduce it to seeking validation is a bit too oversimplified. Sex, emotional and physical closeness... those are also basic human needs and missing out on those things is something that can seriously wreck your psyche.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 09:37 PM
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Nice to know you apparently don't know what that means.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 08:20 AM
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Never hears that one. Just the gym sock one. But... yeah... whatever his issues are, a healthy attitude towards sexuality or women are not amongst them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 08:18 AM
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I'm not using homosexuality as an insult (but of course a conservative would think that), i'm going off what you said and mean it as a suggestion for you to so some soul-searching, seeing how you're clearly at beat able tolerate women. And the fact that you're offended at someone merely considering the possibility that you might be gay really says a whole lot more about you than it does about them (or me, in this case). None of it good. And, yeah, sure, you wannna talk to guys about MMA, making …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 08:16 AM
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Yeah, yeah, yeah... yaddayaddayadda. Be abstinent, then. Date virgins. Literally no one cares. But don't give us this BS as a reason for it. You got issues, my man.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 10:57 PM
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No one cares about your standards of attraction. But your reasoning behind it is... questionable at best. Let's put it that ways - if you say you like chicken meat, no ones gonna give you crap for it. If you're saying prefer chicken meat because it reminds you of that one baby you once ate, people are gonna have fucking questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 10:56 PM
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Oh, it bloddy well does, dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 10:53 PM
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Hmkay. Have you heard of condoms before? Testing? Not everyone who has had sex is as disease-ridden as a shroud during the Black Plague.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 10:51 PM
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My man... if you prefer the company of tall, muscular men to that of women, maybe it's not non-virgin girls that are the issue, but the fact that your closeted AF.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 10:50 PM
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Sex causes physical and psychological damage? Dear stranger on the internet, the sooner you hear it the better... i'm afraid you're doing sex wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 10:44 PM
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How does having sex with a virgin bolster your ego in a way having sex with a non-virgin doesn't, though?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 10:04 PM
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... his reasoning was "having sex with non-virgins makes me feel bad and doesn't add to my life". If that's what you consider an explanation, you really gotta raise your standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/09/22 10:03 PM
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What men get wrong about this are two main things: safety and willingness. Yes, let's face it, most women could jump on a brand new dick every other day, no problem, with their level of physical attractiveness not even being much of a factor. However, not only are women, usually, less likely than a random guy to want to sleep with relative strangers (or get much out of it), they are also more likely to suffer worse consequences, ranging from unwanted pregnancies all the way to getting freaking m…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 03:59 PM
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But 'not the highest' in looks can still be pretty good looking and thus affect an attempted approach in a vastly different way than it would if he looked like a donkey's ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 11:42 PM
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You're not gonna have opportunites to push things forwards if you don't look good enough to get opportunities in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 11:25 PM
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The probleme with confidence is that it's, in my experience, based on a) your self-awareness and b)past experiences. So if you're a) aware of the fact that you're undeserving of any girls and b) all your past experiences are bad, you're confidence is fucked.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 11:23 PM
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... depending on what you look like, "a couple of notches below you" could be either Quasimodo or ...whatever male celebrity is considered highly attractive, so this statement in and off itself doesn't really say anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 11:20 PM
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This is all theoretical for me, but i think the number of sexual encounters and what kind of encounters that were wouldn't matter to me (provided she didn't rape anyone and that she's healthy, obviously). I'd probably be more concerned if she had a history of cheating.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/22 11:45 PM
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Didn't say it was. Way to miss the point, dude.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 10:18 PM
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"A man is only as faithful as his options.". While not universally true, of course, i'd say there's truth to that. Especially since the people that achieve a certain level of success - the kind of success that brings them enough wealth for it to play a role in making them considerably more attractive - usually have personality traits necessary to achieve that success that don't exactly lend themselves well to loyalty.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 09:16 PM
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If i had gotten one buck whenever female friends and acquaintances told me what a great guy i was and how i'd make a woman very happy eventually and tried to tell me that very same stuff you're saying here, while i made it to (currently) 34, still being single without the slightest hint of an experience in relationships, i'd have made enough money by now to at least attract certain women with my wealth. And don't get me wrong, i'm not saying i am a good guy. And i'm also very aware that every si…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 09:09 PM
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All other aspects aside... just purely practically speaking, if i had to guess, i'd say the number of men who have enough ressources to easily provide for multiple wifes (and, with that, eventually kids) without it affecting their own standard of living are probably in even shorter supply than you think.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/22 08:59 PM
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Yeah, well... sad but true. To get a woman, you need experience with the whole process, the more, the better. And to get experience, you need to get with women. Oh, and of course, you also need confidence. Tons of it. But one of the biggest factors in gaining confidence is past successes. Successes you won't have because you lack confidence. ​ Inescapable vicious cycles at their best.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 12:22 AM
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Because a sugarbabe/prostitute doesn't actually love you. If i had to guess, that probably makes quite the difference for some men, you know?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/22 12:06 AM
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I'm generally not awfully great with people, but so far, i always got along way better with women than i did with other guys and all my closest friends have also always been women.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/03/22 06:31 PM
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Congratulations on achieving it, then.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/22 12:04 PM
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Not bothering?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/22 02:07 AM
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"Not attractive enough" then. That's just semantics, really.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/22 12:03 AM
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So attraction is a mystery to the unattractive and the attractive don't have to worry about it? News of the century right here.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/22 11:59 PM
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Yeah, just saw something like this on another sub. Some woman complaining that she has been "used for sex" by some assholes. Girl, you're at least 50% at fault for something like that. You chose to have sex with that asshole. Don't complain about your dog shitting on your rug if you give him a treat whenever he does it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/03/22 01:10 PM
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I lack any trace of social competence (and because of that a social life) and i am unattractive through and through in every regard, personality-wise, appearance-wise and as far as my lifestyle (i mean things like my job, my living situation, etc) is concerned. Tbh, i'd be more surprised if i somehow stumbled my way into a relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 04:51 PM
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I came to this sub via a link in another commentsection (don't remember what sub/thread that was in, but it wasn't anything TRP- or BP-related) and i stayed because i found some of the threads intriguing, but i find myself havingt rouble with the whole terminology from time to time. That's the first time i really read a comprehensive, understandable explanation of the different groups. Thanks for that.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 06:24 PM
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There'd still be an exchange/weighing of qualities, wouldn't there? Only in your case it's not "What does someone as ugly as him/her have to bring to the table to get someone like her/him?", it would rather be something like "What's it about that idiot that makes the other person put up with it?".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 06:34 PM
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Really? You never looked at a couple and thought "Damn, how did he/she end up with her/him?"? Never?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 06:25 PM
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Not so sure about any of that. Sure, the vast majority of then-fathers might be absolutely ideal specimen, genetically. At least physically... Mentally and intellectually, though? Not sure. And the mothers? That's not a given, either. And amongst those (relatively) few women who'd actually take the initiative, there might be more than enough who don't want children. Or only one child. Or are lesbians. Or infertile. And don't forget... while the few guys that still get to fuck then might be chose…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 08:08 PM
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To be fair, for a lot of men, me included, the success rate would end up being exactly the same. Zero.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 07:38 PM
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Human population would probably be reduced by 98% within two generations or so. So, the upside is, this would definitely solve the overpopulation problem Earth's got going on.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 07:35 PM
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Depends on where you land on the scale. I'd say being average is harder to gauge then getting closer to either extreme. If you're REALLY hot or REALLY ugly, people will enthusiastically let you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 03:52 PM
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I'm genuinely curious why so many people aren't able to observe the world around them and need things like TRP to tell them women like good looking men. Guys know that. Most people, regardless of gender probably do. But just look on dating-related subs or forums how society reacts to people who dare mention the idea that physical attractiveness may actually not be completely irrelevant. Humans overestimate themselves. A lot. And they like to flatter themselves even more. Admitting that, owed to …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 03:50 PM
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Okay, wow... this story is just all kinds of fucked up on pretty much every level. What the hell, man... suddenly really glad i was bullied as a kid and never went to sleepovers in the first place. Sure, i may be a socially stunted adult as a result, but if that's what you get just for youthful experimentation....
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 03:37 PM
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So you enjoy being verbally violated every time you’re proven wrong, got it So... what you're saying is that there never was the slightest chance of enjoying this thing with you here? Shame. Remember when you thought the conversation was about masturbation? Yeah, good times. Well, not really. You were there. But still... but do you remember how you apparently never read the opening post that refers specifically to masturbation and nothing else for like... 6 times or so? Make sure to get your hea…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 01:40 AM
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Nah, proud of being insufferable to people like you. Ooh, cool. So your urologist is a quack, seeing as there is absolutely no scientific proof at all for that claim. And actual science actually points more towards the opposite, but... anyways. Nutting having health benefits and all that. But anyways. Neat. If i were you, i'd think twice about letting him get his fingers near me once he puts on the gloves, but as i said before, you do you. Seems like i'm not the one keen on being violated by wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 01:22 AM
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Clearly a case of taking one to know one, then.And yeah, definitely insufferable. For people like you. And damn proud of it. Just ask a urologist if nutting makes your dick weak, okay? And while you're there, make sure he pulls your head out your ass. Or continue to let your personal beliefs and feelings blind you to the facts... or the lack thereof. Whatever you prefer. I have a suspiscion what that might be in your case, but hey... stranger things have happened, i guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 01:04 AM
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You just have to keep making this personal, don't you? Not exactly the sign of someone who's in the right, you know? And a piss poor habit to boot.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 12:37 AM
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Spreading falsehoods is not doing good for the world. But have fun continuing to be wrong. You do you, i'm done.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 12:01 AM
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Sure, whatever. If you wanna treat this like poetry while projecting, go ahead
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 07:58 AM
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Try reading the opening post again and tell me how a question about what women think about men choosing not to masturbate is not about masturbation...
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 02:15 AM
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And so it was, or at least it started out like that until you budged in with your (still) unsubstantiated claims. ​ Less nutting leads to a better sexs life. Whatever. You fight the nut, brother.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 01:52 AM
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But anxiety implies an actual issue (psychological in this case). The refractory period is completely normal. It's a feature, not a bug.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 01:31 AM
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How is a refractory period lasting long enough to stop you from getting it up on a date- under ideal circumstances- not a dysfunction? Because it's literally your body functioning completely naturally. If you've just had a rich meal and somebody offers you another course that you decline because you're full, you wouldn't call it an eating disorder either, would you?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 12:36 AM
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I'd say claiming that masturbation leads to ED is definitely masturbation-shaming. And yeah, the more often you nut one after another the longer your refractory period becomes. But that's not a disfunction, that is literally natural and completely normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 10:23 PM
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To entertain your masturbation-shameing? I think not... don't need to look that up to know you're wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 08:28 PM
0

How about some scientific proof for that?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 11:59 AM
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Sure they do, but not from regular nutting.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 07:07 AM
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There's no benefit in not nutting either, and yet...
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 11:23 PM
2

Claim to do it, at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 10:43 PM
8

Supposed self-improvement claiming benefits purely backed by anecdotal evidence.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 10:06 PM
1

Yeah... no.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 08:34 PM
2

Yeah. Shit like that happens mostly in real life. And it's not just women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 08:32 PM
1

You realize that twitter isn't the world, right?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 08:29 PM
1

Are you a virgin?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 08:25 PM
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Nah... shaming virgins is one of those types of discrimination that is still a-ok. Especially when it's guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 08:20 PM
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As a guy... i don't think it is. I'm pretty sure it's just a meme more than anything else.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 08:14 PM
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It wasn't about the effects of getting shamed. But you claimed it doesn't even happen. And i disagreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 08:08 PM
1

I’m not sure people are going to be judged or shamed as hard as people think. Society (social media) seems to be pretty accepting when it comes to peoples individual sexual choices. As a male virgin in his 30s who stands no chance whatsoever of ever changing that without paying for it... shit no.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 07:46 PM
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Sure there's a difference... but i still won't take anyone seriously who says "It's not about looks", just to then follow up with "But you have to loose weight, work out, change your style and wear a suit for your profile pics".
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 02:09 AM
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Wether it's about your jawline or about shredded abs, it's about looks either way, both are superficial criteria.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/22 01:49 AM
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I live near a military base and all those guys look handsome because they’re in shape and wear clothes that fit and they have well maintained haircuts. They’re just average guys, but because they put that work in they stand out from most other guys and it has nothing to do with genetics If they're in great shape, they're not average. The average guy isn't athletic, especially in the west. Besides... how can you say it's not about looks and then say it's about fitness, haircuts and outfits. That'…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 08:29 PM
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you have to play with the cards you’re dealt Yeah... to bad if the cards you've been dealt are UNO-cards, when everyone else is playing poker.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 08:26 PM
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Yeah, and good luck trying to build up that confidence if you look like a cave troll and everyone let's you know about it, especially the people of the sex you're into. Even if it's not about looks, looks help you with everything else it might be about.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 08:23 PM
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Men, do y’all ever do “favors” for women you aren’t attracted to or do you pretty much reserve that as a bargaining chip or a way to get your foot in the door so to speak? I'm just nice to anyone (often too my own detriment), so no, if i do you a favor, it's because i want to do you a favor/try to be nice, Probably helps that i generally don't expect any woman to sleep with me ever anyways, though, lol. Maybe it would be different if i actually saw a small chance... i certainly know guys like th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 05:10 PM
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That's really not the same thing, because i have no influence on that whatsoever. Women do have an influence over who they date and who they fuck, though.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 04:27 PM
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It has nothing to do with superiority, it's just cherry picking. Equality is all well and good for a lot of women, until they get to the uncomfortable parts that come with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 05:29 AM
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So because women make bad choices and put out for guys what will leave them after they blew their load, all other men have to "prove their commitment"? Seems a bit unfair and one-sided, doesn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/22 05:26 AM
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Maybe if women were willing to fuck non-chads as enthusiastically as they fuck chads, non-chad wouldn't need to consume that much porn in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 02:14 AM
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This as a result makes these men less satisfied with the unenthusiastic sex they have with women on their looks-level. Because not-that-attractive people can't have great sex? Hells, from what some guys tell me, it's often the swimsuit-model type girls that will just lay there like a dead fish, thinking that their beauty is all they need to bring to the table... or bedroom. Same as guys with big dicks thinking thrusting it in an out increasingly fast is enough for women and excuses forgoing forp…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 02:13 AM
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Can't get you arrested, but it can get you branded a creep. Or desperate. And hell, even if the risk of actually getting prosecuted is low to non-existent, the court of public opinion won't care if she's insistent enough on claiming you harassed her. Combine that with The real truth is just some dudes are shy and a lack of social competence and what's commonly seen as attractiveness, and i'll have to admit, the prospect of moving coke across the Pacific is still a lot less frightening than the i…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/22 01:27 AM
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"Many women". Maybe. But enough of them don't. And it's as u/Dazzling-Importance1 says... if you give a dog a treat for shitting on your carpet, he's gonna keep shitting on your carpet and you'll have to shovel the crap if you are insistent on keeping the dog. Same with men (and all people, really) - if their shitty behaviour gets positively reinforced, they're gonna continue to behave badly. A guy that gets laid by being an asshole won't stop being an asshole if i tell him it's not gonna get hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/22 09:39 PM
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Correct, which is why i've given up on that particular dream a long time ago. Every women that'd end up with me would have to settle for me and neither do i want to be the one who's being settled for, nor would i want anyone to settle for me and loose sight of their own happiness in the process.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 12:33 AM
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The problem is that it's really hard to gauge the ratio of normal members to radicals in groups that are mainly acting online, because most normal members aren't the ones to get noticed.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 08:45 PM
2

I'd say people first need to learn that there is a difference between the guys the internet eventually made out to be "Incels", the actually mysoginistic assholes with crude theories about the interaction between men and women that sets them onto a spiral of hate, both against others and themselves, and guys who just can't get laid for various reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 06:02 PM
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Do women have an accurate sense of it themselves? Because i swear, depending on your age, a LOT of you are trying to either look younger or older than you actuall are. Don't blame guys for getting confused by your self-imposed optical illusions and seeing what you want the world to see.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 09:36 PM
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Just anecdotal evidence, obviously, but so far, i've been hit on twice in my entire life. Both times it was gay guys. Now, sure, that only means that those two specific guys weren't shallow, but that's still two more guys not only not being turned off by my appearance, but actually approaching me than women, so...
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 09:27 PM
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