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Can they lie? They already do. Realistically, most women already edit their partner count or at very least throw in arbitrary qualifying statements. (Oh we hooked up, but I was younger and partying a lot.) The logical conclusion is to not ask a woman her partner count, and only stealthily deduce an estimate if you're considering her for some greater level of commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 03:56 AM
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I'm not sure very much advice is "exclusive" to Red Pill. Some of it could be found in at least similar form in PUA and Game forums, some of it could be found in various masculinity forums. I would say that the Red Pill advice is a pretty specific blend and direction of advice that you wouldn't find elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/14 03:47 AM
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No, I have to admit my dad is betabux, and it honestly makes me really fucking sad. Seeing him try and fail with my mom is really what first set me down this sort of path.
/r/TheRedPill14/09/14 05:32 AM
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Me too. What MRA does is it breaks down the man's trust in what he thought his entire life. It points out the logical inconsistency in society. It shows the weakness of the opposition. It makes the man question everything about the nature of men and women and what is right and what is wrong. I'd never thought of it like that, but it makes sense.
/r/TheRedPill03/09/14 03:33 AM
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Really? That's interesting, I just kinda naturally fell out of /r/MensRights for reasons I find hard to define. Later found this sub and felt a huge click with everything I'd previously thought about and understood. It was a great thing to happen, but I had no idea there was vitriol between the two subs.
/r/TheRedPill03/09/14 03:25 AM
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Men's thoughts/words are generally in line with their actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/14 07:36 AM
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As I understand it, it's not that woman are morally obligated to disclose their sexual history, just that to an extent it's desirable for the man to know her sexual history.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/14 07:38 AM
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Fair warning, I'm just a lurker here, but I'd guess that a lack of empathy amounts to a better exploitation of resources, which amounts to an increase of power. They're only attracted to the power.
/r/TheRedPill20/08/14 03:45 AM
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I don't think you really fucked up, since you didn't compromise anything too serious. You wanted to preserve your virginity and made it happen. You just had a painful learning experience, and that's nothing to worry about in the end.
/r/RedPillWomen14/07/14 09:02 AM
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I decided to calmly message the mods about the issue, hopefully will be getting a response. Word to the wise, didn't realize you can message a subreddit's mods by sending a message to r/subreddit.
/r/MensRights23/07/13 08:23 PM
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I'd heard that this sort of thing was likely to happen after women were permitted in combat positions.
/r/MensRights03/05/13 09:05 AM
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Definitely, feminists (and women in general) might very well think worse of you than they do of us. Gay and transgender men both have a place within the MRM.
/r/MensRights27/04/13 11:50 AM
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It's okay guys, feminism works for men's issues too! /s
/r/MensRights27/04/13 11:48 AM
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You tell her that patriarchies are real defined things, and that the U.S. is not one.
/r/MensRights26/04/13 07:21 AM
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This is exactly what I was going to say, the Y chromosome isn't going to evaporate off the earth. Also, as interesting note, for all those strange thoughts of female chromosomal superiority, it's the exact opposite in birds. (ZW chromosome system, females have the specialized chromosome.) Mother nature must not be as egalitarian as they think.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 02:35 PM
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I identify as an MRA liberal. Everything's on a spectrum, and all that.
/r/MensRights03/04/13 10:26 AM
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I don't support the sex offender registry, but if it was going to exist then I'd say yes.
/r/MensRights01/04/13 04:53 AM
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It's an image propagated to get people to ignore MRAs.
/r/MensRights18/03/13 08:26 PM
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I thought I'd be fine if I turned off the sound. I was wrong.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 09:58 AM
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You can make sure you don't marry her, live with her, knock her up, or take care of any kids of hers in any way. The first and third items are bad ideas, and the second and fourth can get you counted as married despite anything else. A prenup will not protect you, they get thrown out all the time.
/r/MensRights25/02/13 09:55 AM
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Because they don't care.
/r/MensRights20/02/13 04:28 AM
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Marriages have a 50% chance of divorce, I doubt sexual initiation has a 50% chance of rape.
/r/MensRights18/02/13 08:08 AM
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Gotta love some femitheist divine. I think she probably sets the standard for radical feminism, at least in respect to harming men. Shit is insane.
/r/MensRights18/02/13 08:07 AM
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Don't get me wrong, this shit still is part of the problem, but I've picked different battles. Before anything else, the President is a politician, which entails serving the interests of those who put him into his position. Also, women's issues are a basic staple of the Democratic party, and commonly of liberalism in general. I wish it were otherwise, but this isn't enough to sway me from identifying as a liberal. I hold more ideology in common with liberal thought and the Democratic party than …
/r/MensRights15/02/13 09:22 AM
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Wow, that is a pretty holistic answer. I didn't expect that this much discussion had already been put into the issue. A link in the sidebar to r/mensrants would probably do some good.
/r/MensRights12/02/13 05:50 AM
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It's not about him being a coward you stupid shitbox, it's about not going to jail for DV accusations being hard enough when he didn't respond.
/r/MensRights30/01/13 10:12 PM
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And to think, so many men think this can't happen to them, that their relationship is different. True love and all that. Nope. Men these days need to honestly reevaluate the women in their lives, because these things happen everyday. Trust can be a good thing, but it is not necessarily a good thing. This man was robbed of his mobility from being crushed by a van, and his girlfriend accepted an offer to have him jumped. What kind of benefit will any of you have? Men need to learn to protect thems…
/r/MensRights30/01/13 07:50 AM
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The idea that sufficient watch for warning signs will protect you is probably a comforting idea, but it's honestly one I don't agree with. I think fully trusting your own ability to appraise another person's quality is one of the basic relationship mistakes that a lot of people (and a lot of men) fall prey to. Not that you can't ever have an idea of what you're looking at, just that you can never have the whole picture. The next part of protecting yourself is accepting that the unknown parts of …
/r/MensRights25/01/13 07:34 AM
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I honestly don't get how men still get married nowadays. In our day and age where the costs are well-known, how does this still come to be?
/r/MensRights25/01/13 06:40 AM
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I won't lie, this sort of picture is why I would like to take pole dancing classes as a man. Christ, that shit is impressive.
/r/MensRights25/01/13 04:36 AM
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The “herbivores” are the adult males (I hesitate to call them men) That bit is unnecessary. The rest is sound though.
/r/MensRights17/01/13 05:19 AM
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r/ShitRedditSays - They're dedicated to calling out the people they disagree with by the power of the mighty downvote brigade. I'm sorry, I mean "they call out the worst of reddit regarding their wrongs".
/r/MensRights16/01/13 05:43 AM
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I wish I was cool enough to get hate-mail. I would take a weird pleasure it reading it near daily.
/r/MensRights16/01/13 05:39 AM
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If all they're doing is renting, and considering the pure shit that is FL alimony, I'm going to suggest that he quietly fuck off into the mists and leave no way for his wife to find him. Just pack up everything and be gone one day.
/r/MensRights26/12/12 01:00 PM
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It's possible that you're seeing the up/downvote fuzzing mechanic at work. Reddit doesn't show the exact numbers.
/r/MensRights20/12/12 12:06 AM
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Ha, "I need to be a mother." Marriage is a good thing, right?
/r/MensRights18/12/12 10:13 AM
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Women can use rubber bands, or a sufficiently strong grip.
/r/MensRights13/12/12 02:42 AM
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No, although years ago I was mildly sympathetic. No, not because feminism is some big evil thing, but because the division between men's and women's rights advocates is important and useful.
/r/MensRights03/12/12 02:29 PM
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I don't support the sex offender's registry. Even if it was only for real sex offenders, it doesn't do anything except give them less to lose. It also throws the justice system off balance. Say you molest someone in a train and go to jail for it. After you get out, you're on that registry for the rest of your life. What was the jail time for then? Did they pay appropriately for their crime or not. I'm all for punishment, but not branding.
/r/MensRights03/12/12 10:08 AM
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I wish feminism would understand that patriarchies are a real defined societal structure, and that you cannot simply call any little thing a patriarchy.
/r/MensRights26/11/12 11:43 AM
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I think these things inadvertently support a different MR issue. The lack of women in STEM fields is something I see as outdated and unreasonable. Providing some sort of push towards that is a good thing, because the fact that women gravitate towards softer vocations of their own accord is fucking irritating. As an example a "women only" class to get women interested in steel working would be the same sort of good. You wanted equality, it's time to do equal work, ladies. I think that should incl…
/r/MensRights14/10/12 10:57 AM
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hit in the face with a brick That went from good example to unintentionally hilarious quickly.
/r/MensRights12/10/12 07:22 PM
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That's the same reason I don't leave my children alone with women, because I don't want to come back to find them drowned in a bathtub. Unfair, but necessary.
/r/MensRights12/10/12 03:49 AM
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Oh no, don't get me wrong, there's no justifying what they did. It's just that if anyone of them had felt need to pull a weapon, shit could've gotten out of hand very quickly. The point I was trying to make was that it's decently surprising that a stray white knight didn't end up killing the guy, especially considering that it happens all the time.
/r/MensRights04/10/12 01:51 AM
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Always happy to see women taking interest in mensrights issues. On a lighthearted note, the look of that baby's smushed face is funny as hell.
/r/MensRights03/10/12 08:11 PM
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As someone who usually has few issues with guns, that is a really good point. EDIT: "has few" not "has a few"
/r/MensRights03/10/12 08:04 PM
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I expected it to be just about hitting as a practice, the fact that they threw in that he should play nice even if it is actually painful is just exasperating.
/r/MensRights21/09/12 10:06 AM
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Does anyone else wonder when marriage is going to stop being a common thing?
/r/MensRights21/09/12 10:03 AM
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Yup, I am well and over with society wanting me to protect or support women for the sake of it.
/r/MensRights21/09/12 01:26 AM
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I don't see how these sorts of things can happen, and that any man would still support chivalry.
/r/MensRights17/09/12 02:35 PM
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The idea that men are universally privileged and that women are universally victimized is tragically common.
/r/MensRights08/09/12 07:07 AM
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This whole thing should be put somewhere easily accessible, and/or in the sidebar. Also wanted to say that I saved the r/bestof link to this.
/r/MensRights16/08/12 10:36 PM
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Always happy to see sensible MRA content from women. It's a great sign of increasing understanding and legitimacy in the world of gender relations.
/r/MensRights14/08/12 09:41 AM
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Wow, that is heartbreaking. On the plus side, kudos for having the willpower to not kill your mom. I certainly would have. Slicing up my genitals? Yeah, not gonna fucking fly.
/r/MensRights11/08/12 12:46 AM
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Great work.
/r/MensRights02/08/12 05:22 PM
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Raped by a woman, for which he will receive almost no belief or help, and forced to accept the circumstances under threat of rape accusation. This sort of thing is what comes to mind when I think of women today. Why would men ever want to support a system that allows these things? It's ridiculous to think that common societal views picture women as harmless and benevolent; it's not the case at all.
/r/MensRights31/07/12 05:27 AM
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I suppose it chipped the veneer of how she actually feels about men. Another soldier into the savage army of the RadFem hordes, I suppose.
/r/MensRights18/07/12 04:45 PM
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Ah, marriage.
/r/MensRights16/07/12 07:14 AM
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It's the state of things to be sure. In truth there is very little true trust that can be safely afforded to women nowadays, as the risks are very high.
/r/MensRights15/07/12 04:44 PM
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The comments are easily worse.
/r/MensRights11/07/12 07:06 AM
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I donated $10, although I don't have a screenshot. I made a comment in the other thread, if it counts.
/r/MensRights19/06/12 05:17 AM
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I put in $10 to the cause. Also, it's good to seen Men's Rights issues becoming more mainstream.
/r/MensRights18/06/12 09:28 PM
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It was more the silhouette, and that it took me a second to realize what it was (since I'd never actually seen one of those empty).
/r/MensRights05/06/12 06:17 PM
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That gave me a chill.
/r/MensRights05/06/12 05:07 PM
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Actually, female support here is surprisingly common, at least to me. EDIT: Surprising to me, not supporting to me.
/r/MensRights05/06/12 05:07 PM
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That's awful, but honestly not surprising. Such is the present state of things...
/r/MensRights03/06/12 12:01 PM
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You probably just shouldn't get married.
/r/MensRights31/05/12 05:44 PM
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I think that the common sentiment from guys being friend-zoned has just the smallest grain of truth to it, allow me to explain: It's not that women clamor to assholes and don't like sweet, caring you. It's that "asshole" behaviour commonly entails confidence along with its negatives, and that while "good guy" behaviour has value, a perceived lack of confidence damns you to missing the women you desire. That beings said, the fostered negatives of "asshole" behaviour are something women have no ri…
/r/MensRights26/05/12 08:20 PM
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RadFems are definitely both transphobic and misandristic, but I think that essentially all of RadFem belief stems from misandry in a roundabout kind of way. With that being said, their transphobia seems to be more due to fearing "false women" within their ranks, rather than just direct misandry. It's a bit of a semantics thing.
/r/MensRights26/05/12 08:00 PM
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I'd hope this sort of news would motivate the males of our time to look out for their own well-being, but that's easier said than done. This sort of thing happens all too often, and aside from however common it is, the real power to it is that men in this situation have no way to help themselves. This fact is reason enough for any sensible male to look at the women around him with a level of cautious suspicion. Yes, suspicion: any person will take the advantages available to them. In this situat…
/r/MensRights26/05/12 07:46 PM
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If she's going to be making enough to manage the debt, then wait until she's paid off to marry her.
/r/MensRights25/05/12 01:23 AM
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I fully support them, and am sad that it's even an issue for some people. Also, the issues of gay men are an important subsection of the MRM.
/r/MensRights23/05/12 06:27 PM
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I do see a lot of MRA related posts to AskReddit, with decent regularity.
/r/MensRights22/05/12 03:10 AM
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I like it, I often see their more inclusive episodes. I think they do a pretty good job of spreading things around.
/r/MensRights19/05/12 05:38 AM
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Transgendered men have an added benefit in that they've often experienced the differences. I'm reminded of past input from a transgendered men telling how the hormone treatment really intensified his libido. These sort of experiences are great for building understanding along the sex divide.
/r/MensRights06/05/12 08:45 PM
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As far as I can see it, Feminism and Men's Rights Activism are just counterpart focuses of gender equality. Divvying up the issue is a good way to strengthen what does get done.
/r/MensRights03/05/12 12:47 AM
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I'm sad, because I like Maddow, but this info is proven to be inaccurate.
/r/MensRights02/05/12 05:31 AM
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I view the two less as assertions of discrimination, and more as dedications to address those discriminations. Less that one is disfavoured, and more that your simply focusing on one half of the issue.
/r/MensRights24/03/12 06:17 PM
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I think if I'd only get to target one issue, it'd be the sentencing disparity between men and women by the law. It strikes me as one of the largest components to western misandry, which is important because it tends to be a very piecemeal kind of problem. The sentencing disparity seems like one of the biggest and most important chunks of a composite issue.
/r/MensRights13/03/12 11:57 PM
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Good to have your support.
/r/MensRights10/03/12 08:20 PM
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Christ, good to hear.
/r/MensRights10/03/12 08:20 PM
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Good to hear, good to see more women in the cause.
/r/MensRights10/03/12 08:19 PM
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Anger is understandable, but the majority of the time I don't think it does us much good. Changing the title to something more constructive and less reactionary would do good for how we appear to outsiders. The MRM is more than a reaction to feminism, and the scorn earned here is a secondary effect, not the goal.
/r/MensRights04/03/12 09:23 AM
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Honestly, the title could use a change. The OP's proposal option is much more constructive and isn't inaccurate in the MRM's motivations. While the original anger-based title is also accurate, it doesn't do us as much good as the provided change could do. Image is important, stating things constructively/positively is greatly helpful and desirable.
/r/MensRights04/03/12 09:09 AM
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Man, I love her stuff. She's got great discourse, on top of the other factors of being a working mom, etc. It all just comes together so perfectly, it's pretty amazing.
/r/MensRights05/02/12 07:52 PM
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I guess I only really disagree with that second part being true. If something reflects the majority mindset, you're not too far off base with just making the assumption. The thing is, MRA's are generalized as angry and belligerent, a phenomenon none of us care for. However, given the large role of anger in regards to MR issues, that sort of thing ends up being pretty reliable. The movement is regrettably prone to abrasive and/or insular behaviour. It's perfectly understandable that this happens …
/r/MensRights01/02/12 01:09 AM
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The problems I have with feminism are more about the sense of entitlement they often have. No, you're right. Both are anger-driven, but feminism can (obviously) afford to be associated with anger, as they're seen as champions of gender equality.
/r/MensRights29/01/12 07:09 PM
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OP has a very good point, but even as an MRA I can sympathize with r/feminism. For a female-oriented subreddit, it is really overrun with people from the MRM. Even as an MRA who goes to r/feminism specifically to find controversy, I can understand that their section being full of our members is detrimental. This is mainly considered an issue because MRA's are typically seen as aggressive and abrasive. Prior to the responses of "anything against feminist discrimination is going to be called abras…
/r/MensRights29/01/12 08:48 AM
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I believe I would agree that a rape victim has a reasonable moral responsibility to report her rapist, but not that the victim would be actually responsible for any future victims if they didn't. While they should report, any future cases aren't their fault. Their responsibility only goes so far. I think that's a good, reasonable, defendable position for an MRA.
/r/MensRights28/01/12 10:46 AM
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My little brother had phimosis, and he got it totally fixed easy with a steroid cream. It's a legit thing.
/r/MensRights18/01/12 02:29 AM
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I also think the quality of r/MR submissions could be better, but considering the smaller amount of activity, less of the better examples of content are going to appear less than I'd like. That's obvious, and not really a big deal. Submissions could be better, but I don't they're significantly worse than they can be expected to be. It's a low level of activity, and it affects things.
/r/MensRights15/01/12 08:57 AM
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Ha, four years. It's funny, it a horrifically sad sort of way.
/r/MensRights15/01/12 08:50 AM
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I like how AA is interested in men's issues. I think it's a very good direction he's exploring, and I think he does a good job. I really like his videos.
/r/MensRights28/12/11 06:28 AM
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You don't have any rights. Canadian Oh, well there is some hope.
/r/MensRights16/12/11 03:57 AM
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They had a shitty approach, but I think it would've been good to at least broach the topic. Your position is understandable though.
/r/MensRights13/12/11 02:47 AM
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I identify as a liberal MRA. As far as I can tell, as long as one can accept that women are not oppressed helpless waifs, then liberalism doesn't conflict with one's status as an MRA. It's less about, say, social programs (or something else generally considered liberal) being created or not, and more about who they're actually going to. As a liberal, I support the idea of social programs, but my vote would be on creating new one's specifically for men, because that seems like the good thing to d…
/r/MensRights08/12/11 04:18 AM
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Ugh, that was a hard read.
/r/MensRights26/11/11 05:55 AM
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Man I love Dan Savage. As far as bi-phobia goes, maybe his experiences have led him to believe that bisexuals tend to have sex lives with more partner variance, and that this state of increase variance can conflict with monogamous fidelity. I think that sounds decently reasonable. Any thoughts?
/r/MensRights15/11/11 04:32 AM
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I kind of have an inverse law of crazy: The crazier shit is, the less you have to worry about it. Crazier things are both harder and more risky to do. Women advocating gendercide don't have to be worried about, whereas women talking about falsely accusing of rape (or something similar) are much more of an immediate threat. As a response to your comparison to white supremacists, in all honesty, I don't really take them seriously either.
/r/MensRights13/11/11 09:53 PM
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The concept of female victimhood is largely prevelent in our society, regardless of context.
/r/MensRights09/11/11 07:33 PM
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Very interesting, thank you for this.
/r/MensRights08/11/11 08:16 PM
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As an option, some use the colloquialism of "Feminazi", which while somewhat offensive, rolls off the tongue nicely. Of course, it's never really safe to invoke Godwin's Law, so take it with a grain of salt.
/r/MensRights07/11/11 04:13 AM
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I would advise against it, but there are BDSM contracts available online. If he decides to do this, he really should use one.
/r/MensRights02/11/11 04:43 PM
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As a subscriber of /r/MR, I feel able to run through the list on its accuracy. angry Yup. depressed sometimes/possibly violently upset upset, but not to the point of violence misogynist Not quite, I do think less of women in general, but it's a cultural problem, not something innate to women. rage venting Often enough. The biggest smear among that list is the claim of misogyny. The MRM is not inherently misogynist, but everyday experiences can admittedly lead to something of a dim view on women …
/r/MensRights02/11/11 04:37 PM
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Sounds like /r/WTF material to me. Spread the word, it's an important sort of issue. You have my sympathies, that was a travesty.
/r/MensRights28/10/11 07:31 AM
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I'm suspicious of the allegations of being beaten. Even if she was being beaten, self defense should probably be at the time of the beating. I'm all for self defense, but stabbing a guy in the fucking neck while he's driving doesn't qualify, unless he's about to crash the car into a ravine.
/r/MensRights28/10/11 07:13 AM
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Thank you, this was very useful in clarifying the matter.
/r/MensRights25/10/11 08:41 PM
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Thank you, the story is very confusing without all the facts.
/r/MensRights25/10/11 08:41 PM
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it would destroy the register it would then be rightfully called a blackmail tool I was having trouble with the response from AVfM, but that actually a very good point. tell me she is genuine, its not possible What makes you think it's not sincere? At very least is seems like a large step in the right direction. I don't see anything wrong with her apology. I didn't see the posts leading up to the apology, these do make it seem insincere. I apologize, the story is very confusing without all the f…
/r/MensRights25/10/11 08:40 PM
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Woah. The fact that is a sincere apology is surprising. However the only thing is that I feel.. confused. This never happens, and boy is it weird when it does.
/r/MensRights24/10/11 11:39 PM
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I don't mind it.
/r/MensRights20/10/11 07:26 PM
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that feminism is about equality between the sexes That's the thing, they think it is. They really view themselves as victimized and/or oppressed. This viewpoint is possibly the toughest part of the problem, as any opposition to it is seen as the oppressor trying to hide his nature.
/r/MensRights14/10/11 10:09 PM
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It might be postpartum. Involve the authorities/a marriage counselor.
/r/MensRights14/10/11 09:07 PM
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It makes a little more sense with the fact that many feminists feel like there is a patriarchal force out to get them. It's actually, because a right's movement doesn't need a discriminatory conspiracy to justify its own existence. Women feel like they are still "oppressed" to varying degrees, and thus don't want to let go of their advantages. It's undesirable, but it makes sense.
/r/MensRights14/10/11 08:59 PM
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I agree, but it's not really a bad thing.
/r/MensRights14/10/11 08:56 PM
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It was absolutely wrong, but you they caught mormon bullcrap because you they were gay, not your their gender. Not gonna lie, if I held one real prejudice it'd probably be against mormons. EDIT: The MRM should support gay rights, but they are different things.
/r/MensRights13/10/11 06:48 PM
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It might be a "preaching to the choir" sort of thing. Everyone is aware of how bad it is, thus the issue isn't a big concern. As an exception, posts about delegalizing circumcision are important.
/r/MensRights12/10/11 04:25 AM
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Always good to hear these sort of criticisms coming from a woman. It makes the situation seem less bleak.
/r/MensRights04/10/11 01:48 AM
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Good stuff, I like seeing this sort of thing from women.
/r/MensRights04/10/11 01:48 AM
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This is great stuff, please keep it up.
/r/MensRights02/10/11 06:28 PM
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With the specific difference that the MRM does not hate women.
/r/MensRights01/10/11 09:02 AM
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The MRM deals with a specific sub-section of rights equality, specifically those of men on the basis of their gender.
/r/MensRights01/10/11 07:22 AM
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I believe gay men are part of the MRM, but I'm not sure how often gay men are discriminated against on the basis of being men, as opposed to being gay. Also, if a gay man is being discriminated on the basis of his orientation, it isn't a MR concern, but an LGBT concern. I support gay rights, but it's in a different section of thought than the MRM and Feminism, which are gender based. TL;DR: Gay rights are important, and they aren't mutually exclusive from the MRM/Feminism, but they are distinct …
/r/MensRights30/09/11 09:32 PM
3

Agnostic.
/r/MensRights13/09/11 12:50 AM
1

I am not sure women are actually entitled to any assets bought before the marriage. They aren't, but the actual gender inequalities (as opposed the "patriarchy" here in the states) are the real source for Feministing's concern, and with a certain level of legitimacy.
/r/MensRights09/09/11 05:36 AM
2

Well, this isn't quite what the title suggested. With few women owning homes in China, this would prove to unfairly hurt women. However, this is only because of the previous sexist policies in China. Here in the U.S. this law would have little ill effect, and would be highly desirable. The problem is what China has going on already, not the new law.
/r/MensRights09/09/11 02:19 AM
2

I also dislike the conspiracy bit.
/r/MensRights08/09/11 12:39 AM
1

I don't think clothing plays a big part in the issue. It can be arousing, but it doesn't make a woman an easier target. I think better advice would be to go out in groups, and not get too drunk to be able to manage one's faculties. This preserves the responsibility of women to take measures to protect themselves, which is important and not "victim blaming". Clothing is arousing, but doesn't make committing a rape easier. Women still need to protect themselves though.
/r/MensRights08/09/11 12:34 AM
7

Gotta say, "check your privilege" is the most irritating phrase ever.
/r/MensRights07/09/11 02:40 AM
2

This is actually pretty pertinent, and would be very telling.
/r/MensRights05/09/11 02:50 AM
7

It seems reasonable that you would be moderately offended. The reverse situation taking place would probably offend significant amounts of women, as would the idea of a "straight only" event.
/r/MensRights26/08/11 09:50 PM
1

You disagree with the idea of financial abortion? Why is that? I'm surprised, the second concept is easily the more novel of the two.
/r/MensRights26/08/11 09:46 PM
2

There's nothing wrong with having an abortion. That said, there needs to be a financial abortion option for men. I'm also contemplating the idea that the father should be able to claim a fetus and prevent abortion, if he is willing to take full responsibility in raising it, and then only if the mother's health is not at risk.
/r/MensRights26/08/11 01:52 AM
7

Male identity is an interesting topic in our modern culture. I understand your lack of identity, and my best recommendation is that a decent "definition" of masculinity would probably include things like self-improvement, resource acquisition, and productive recreation. Work out physically/mentally, make money, and take up an enjoyable constructive hobby. (Not necessarily constructing things though.)
/r/MensRights25/08/11 06:49 AM
5

Downvoted for very meager relevance. It's something that most of us probably agree with, but this is not the place for it.
/r/MensRights25/08/11 06:43 AM
2

Not gonna lie, the quality of r/MR submissions is sometimes significantly poor. To answer your question, I don't see women as automatically feminists, but I do see them as being very like to be so, and for understandable reasons. Women being feminists is only a problem because feminism has allowed the trappings of a rights movement to overstep certain boundaries in its own best interests. This is perfectly understandable, as people are fundamentally out for themselves, but the overstep is simply…
/r/MensRights25/08/11 06:35 AM
1

Happy to have another subscriber, but your post was a little lacking in relevancy. No offense.
/r/MensRights25/08/11 06:32 AM
0

I find the post to be tangentially related to MR, but too lacking in quality to justify its low relevance. Downvote.
/r/MensRights25/08/11 06:27 AM
5

Regrettably, I also find the quality of r/MR's submissions to be lacking. The sorts of articles detailing crimes by women would be desirable as references for a statement, but they are not the best material for their own posts. Actually, as an exception to that, articles detailing a discrepancy in sentencing as opposed to a male counterpart are fine. These highlight a particular issue. Having reference to a biased viewpoint pertaining to the crime is helpful. Simply stating a woman has committed…
/r/MensRights25/08/11 06:24 AM
1

Well, one wouldn't need the consent of the man if having the man as a the biological father didn't carry the implication of parenthood. If there wasn't the expectation of the man to be involved parentally, then all that it amounts to is some of a man's genetic material being harmlessly released into the gene pool earlier than he intended for himself. It's not the pregnancy, it's the implication of parenthood.
/r/MensRights25/08/11 06:16 AM
3

I would advise you to actually watch a video of a circumcision taking place before making your decision.
/r/MensRights16/08/11 02:31 AM
1

I fear being caught up in the biased justice system (for one reason or another), although there's no real reason that would happen currently. I guess the idea is that if it ever did happen (me getting caught up in the system) I would be totally fucked.
/r/MensRights13/08/11 08:08 AM
2

The difference between MRAs and feminists is that MRAs actually want equality for both genders. Feminists don't. The difference is that feminism supports gender equality from a woman's standpoint, the counterpart being true for the MRM. This is perfectly fine. The problem with feminism is that, in the name of defending women, it has overstepped certain boundaries and participates in behaviour that harms men. This is because it is very easy to go from "attacking injustice" to "defense of principl…
/r/MensRights13/08/11 08:05 AM
1

Women have the choice of having an abortion, and the choice of being a parent or not. A man is told to act according to the woman's choice. If he didn't want to be a parent and she does, too bad for him. If he wanted to raise the child and she aborts, too bad for him. Women do not have to consent to parenthood when they have sex, but men are supposed to do exactly that if the situation arises. The woman has choices, the man does not.
/r/MensRights08/08/11 05:55 AM
-1

That's reasonable. The right right to vote is available now, and the problem is addressed.
/r/MensRights07/08/11 04:40 AM
3

I always felt that being an MRA went well with my liberal stance, but to hear many commenters here, apparently this is not the case. I approve of TheZetaMale's article, and I think a more moderate stance on gender relations is something that would do the MRM good. There are legitimate reasons to be angry, and to express that anger, but beyond a certain point it's just not helping anyone. I identify as an MRA, but to see r/mensrights so uniformly attack a moderate viewpoint and an honest self-cri…
/r/MensRights07/08/11 04:35 AM
1

I was a little iffy on 5 and 6. Care to go into more detail?
/r/MensRights22/07/11 05:53 AM
1

As a foreword, this is just a hypothesis on how people could be offended over the incident. No one did anything wrong here as far as I can tell. None of the topics discussed in said restroom were significantly offensive. However, I have a theory as to why there would be feelings of offense on the part of the overhearing man and the discussed women. The man might be offended because the discussion about his friends is in very shallow terms. This isn't a wrongdoing on the part of the other men, af…
/r/MensRights20/07/11 02:02 AM
4

I loved Dawkin's response, although the idea that guy asked her to have coffee with him after she stated in her speech that she dislikes that kind of thing elevates his actions to being a little distasteful. Nothing wrong with asking a woman to join you socially, but if she mentioned previously that she dislikes that sort of thing, it's mildly undesirable to still make that advance. All in all, not nearly the "almost-rape" this is made out to be.
/r/MensRights08/07/11 05:21 AM
8

Thank you Richard Dawkins. That response was well worded and polite without losing any strength in its position. I don't have any really good way to put it, I just loved the quality of his responses. Calm, clear, and concise. (It also puts down the stereotype that the MRM is a movement characterized by frothing at the mouth.)
/r/MensRights06/07/11 01:29 AM
6

The assumption that men are inherently more apt to rape is an example of how patriarchy negatively effects men Why would the Patriarchy, a supposed class composed of and for men, put forth that assumption? What reasoning would they have?
/r/MensRights04/07/11 04:25 AM
11

It's easy to pay lip service to something you'd like to shut up. Criticizing the invisible malevolent phantom of "The Patriarchy" for deadening empathy towards men's issues is all well and good, right up until you say that men can learn from being falsely accused of rape.
/r/MensRights04/07/11 02:52 AM
10

Commonly, feminists may feel that men are still largely supporting a "Patriarchy", whereas MRA's feel that men's problems tend to be ignored with sayings of "toughen up, be a man", etc.
/r/MensRights03/07/11 11:30 PM
1

I imagine it's a biological instinct. They want resources allotted to them as a show of affection due to basic primate mating urges. It makes sense, but then keeping women in more domestic settings in based on the same sort of instinct, and allowing flexibility from that instinct surely has legitimate benefits. It's a token of gender roles, which evolved naturally, and now can be deviated from seeing as times are much less savage and dangerous.
/r/MensRights03/07/11 11:27 PM
1

Any group that want's circumcision as part of it's culture can go through the effort of convincing consenting adults to have the operation.
/r/MensRights02/07/11 10:08 AM
3

Think of how the reverse situation would be received.
/r/MensRights02/07/11 12:30 AM
17

The fact that rape is wrong doesn't mean women shouldn't be expected to defend themselves through intelligent behaviour. However, I'm going to have to dissent from popular opinion in that I don't think clothing has much to do with rape safety. It makes sense that people would think that, but hear me out. Dressing slutty doesn't make you easier to rape, despite that it makes you seem more sexually available. Avoiding scanty clothing is unnecessary, in that you can't know who's a rapist, or know w…
/r/MensRights28/06/11 03:41 AM
1

Logical criticism, what possible reason would a man have for not taking birth control? What possible benefit is there?
/r/MensRights27/06/11 10:24 AM
1

God that was barbaric. Couldn't watch it, I feel all cold and skittish.
/r/MensRights27/06/11 09:58 AM
2

I think it would help, but only in some general way that I can't really verbalize. I think it would help the overall ideological climate of marriage, which probably doesn't make any sense.
/r/MensRights27/06/11 09:29 AM
7

I like that there are gay MRAs, it helps the "straight white male" stigma. I understand that there is a bit of difference on issues based on orientation, but other than that I regard them the same. The issues you mentioned are good things to address, especially given that they aren't just problems associated with straight guys.
/r/MensRights23/06/11 09:33 PM
0

That was actually pretty interesting. It's good to see more calm content on here.
/r/MensRights19/06/11 07:03 AM
1

I think of them more as general gender based tendencies, as opposed to absolute concepts.
/r/MensRights12/06/11 05:01 AM
1

Personally I think a bigger thing than clothing is that one should be traveling in groups, although drinking to unconsciousness is also to be avoided.
/r/MensRights12/06/11 04:34 AM
9

Holy shit, that was crazy.
/r/MensRights08/06/11 10:27 PM
1

It is a violation of MR, but I don't think he's specifically misandristic, just trying to fuck things up.
/r/MensRights03/06/11 10:14 PM
5

Feminists can often see themselves as wholly in the right, with women being universally victimized. Men's rights then appears to them as "attacking" women's rights, a similar fear of atheists from the religious. (Not that feminism is a huge mystical conspiracy akin to "The Patriarchy", just that feminism can impress harmful ideas of defense on women, leading them to see MR as misogynistic.) Feminism is used to being "The good guys", men's rights then makes a crudely intuitive target for being "T…
/r/MensRights03/06/11 05:25 AM
9

Great comment, /r/MR can get a little... caught up sometimes, it's awesome to see something so calm and concise on here. Perfect sentiment; it's the system, not women.
/r/MensRights02/06/11 04:51 AM
0

I'm just gonna link to a comment I made on a very similar post. I'm surprised that those who don't agree that feminism is out and out man hate are being downvoted, it's disappointing.
/r/MensRights23/05/11 01:53 AM
2

What's anti-male about feminism? Feminism has developed misandristic qualities by having evolved from a movement supporting women's rights. People are inherently fearful/greedy, and thus stepping from women's rights to misandry is seen as taking the offense in terms of women's protection. This is, of course, flawed. However women may feel that dissenting from misandry is harmful to their fellow women, and to themselves. Group mentality persuades members that misandry is common sense, should the …
/r/MensRights22/05/11 08:23 PM
2

I'm not really too reluctant, but I anticipate the backlash.
/r/MensRights20/05/11 04:34 AM
0

Honestly I think you should go if you can, this sort of thing is important. I understand where you're coming from, though.
/r/MensRights20/05/11 12:35 AM
2

Pre-nup before marriage is a necessity I think.
/r/MensRights18/05/11 10:23 PM
9

or wanted to commit a rape Mind-reading! Now with amazing polling applications!
/r/MensRights16/05/11 03:50 AM
1

I usually don't care too much for the Voice's work that gets linked here; It usually strikes me as a little overdone. However, this article was great. It didn't get too worked up, and it presented the issue of our system breaking down inter-gender trust in an unbiased way. He understands that the issue isn't women, it's the privileges afforded to women, and that human nature will take advantage of said privileges. Overall, a great article, and a good thing to see on MR.
/r/MensRights15/05/11 05:14 PM
5

Falsely accusing a man of rape can be deeply satisfying because it is sexual and even romantic. Ho-ly-shit.
/r/MensRights15/05/11 04:37 PM
0

Is there any room to talk about the matriarchy (small 'm') in feminist theory that controls access to family and socialization of everyone thus determines the composition of the patriarchy (small 'p')? Sure there's room, but the point was just that feminism's conjuring up of the horrendous foe "The Patriarchy" is due to the fact that common patriarchy (while not desirable) is simply a mundane occurrence, with no particular dark reach over the world.
/r/MensRights14/05/11 06:46 PM
4

The point of this is... what? MR doesn't need this sort of circle-jerk. There are actual issues, crazy naked bitches ain't one.
/r/MensRights14/05/11 06:16 PM
2

It is a popular opinion among women that uncircumcised penises are inherently dirty, due to concern over women's health, (by dint of keeping penises surgically clean) thus creating support for a practice which is cosmetic at best and genital mutilation at worst.
/r/MensRights14/05/11 06:13 PM
1

Realistically, he's not going to be able to work with that many women to the usual level of spousal support, but if they're there consensually after acknowledging that, then I don't see a problem.
/r/MensRights14/05/11 06:10 PM
3

No, men's rights is an issue, but not a defining characteristic. A party devoted solely to MR would be about as desirable as a woman-aligned party. Not an attractive option.
/r/MensRights14/05/11 06:06 PM
0

But feminists do like to point to patriarchy(thus the choices of individual men) as the source of the most potent evil that ever existed. I think a more accurate statement this that feminists blame "The Patriarchy". Common patriarchy (small 'p') is a real phenomenon. "The Patriarchy" is an aberrant construct, on par with blaming a group's influence on a giant invisible robot.
/r/MensRights14/05/11 06:04 PM
-1

Good point, bad execution.
/r/MensRights14/05/11 05:55 PM
4

Irritating and undesirable, but not really a big deal.
/r/MensRights08/05/11 06:20 PM
2

but the 16 year old down the block WILL beat your kid up if he sees his hot pink toenails. I'll let the kid have whatever amusement he likes with bodily pigmentation, it's a practice as old as dirt. Colored nails or not, every child should be raised with instruction regarding the reasonable application of violent force. Knowledge of fighting is just practical, nails or no.
/r/MensRights06/05/11 05:48 AM
3

boys whose mothers paint their toenails As a specification, if the boy wants his toenails painted, I'm cool with it.
/r/MensRights06/05/11 05:13 AM
2

It struck me that promiscuous clothing is only the minor first part of a problematic situation, the more powerful factors being: alcohol and uncontrolled situation I think that says a lot about the issue, that the clothing is a pretty small part of it.
/r/MensRights06/05/11 05:08 AM
1

That's a good, rational response. Legitimate, upvoted.
/r/MensRights06/05/11 04:21 AM
2

Yup, perfect way to put it.
/r/MensRights05/05/11 04:51 AM
6

As a man that was raised feminist, I didn't see it as feminism belonging to women. It's not that Feminism belongs solely to women, it's that it works to promote equality where women are disadvantaged, not men. This isn't a bad thing, and Feminism and MR are just separate, more focused halves of egalitarian belief. Promoting Feminism as concerned with men and women is just semantically confusing (Feminism - Feminine - Female - Women) and would only allow Feminism to fall prey to lack of focus on …
/r/MensRights05/05/11 04:36 AM
6

An excellent post, hugely refreshing to hear this sort of thing from a woman.
/r/MensRights05/05/11 03:47 AM
12

Feminism does concern itself about equality (or at least did), but it focuses on raising women from lower levels of society. At one point, this was a legitimate issue. Nowadays, not so much. All in all, the fact that feminism concerns itself about working from a female starting point isn't a big deal, and kind of a given. There's nothing wrong with feminism concerning itself with women, but problems arise from: Later saying they are also concerned about men, which ends is a dishonest attempt at …
/r/MensRights05/05/11 03:35 AM
3

The woman who posted is not in control of how funding is allocated. That's a good point. there is no reason to believe this woman is any less qualified than the other students who applied. Also true, we can assume she's about average. Since when is courage "the defining male characteristic"? Bullshit. Yeah, that was pretty awful. there is going to be someone happy to tell her she only got x success because she's a woman. Fuck those people. And... that's putting down a legitimate issue.
/r/MensRights05/05/11 03:23 AM
6

Courage is the defining male characteristic. Exactly the wrong sort of thing to put on this subreddit. Let's see... "Altruism is the defining female characteristic." Hypothetical example of exactly what pisses the MRM off, legitimately. My position is that while it is undesirable for her receive money based on her sex, the fact that she considers the issue honestly allows her to act in her best interests. She can take the money, but keep the issue in mind, it's important. It's not right, but hon…
/r/MensRights05/05/11 03:16 AM
2

The idea that public proposals are coercive is understandable, and realistically, true. However, despite the coercive nature, women need to make their own damn decisions, to hell with public view. Is bringing in a lot of people a real dick move? YES Is is anything more than that? NO
/r/MensRights04/05/11 05:28 AM
2

Honestly, I didn't like this video. It gives me a very similar feeling to a lot of the awful feminist rhetoric out there. "An X/Y/Z built by men." "So little appreciation for all that women do." Both awful, neither helpful to anyone. Not the kind of thing I like to see on /r/MR. Not downvoting, just leaving my vote out of it.
/r/MensRights04/05/11 05:04 AM
1

People who end up being rapists are the ones who aren't going to be swayed on the matter by discussion. There aren't any people on the fence who only decided not to rape someone because of conversation.
/r/MensRights01/05/11 10:14 PM
0

I thought is was simply that men tend to be better at violent matters than women, and thus succeed more often in suicide.
/r/MensRights01/05/11 10:11 PM
1

Feminism isn't innately bad for men's rights, but it will always tend to carry some of that affiliation in practice. It's just a side effect of human behaviour, not anything specific to feminism. The only solution is plain support for men's rights in the face of misandristic tendencies, rebuking undue aggression where is appears. Nothing wrong with that, just the mundane act of dealing with the human condition.
/r/MensRights01/05/11 10:03 PM
1

Not the Reddit police, just commenting on a bit of the problem visible at times in this subreddit. I didn't jump on your throat, I made a mild criticism. EDIT: Didn't realize you were the same person, edited for syntax.
/r/MensRights26/04/11 11:07 PM
-3

Yes. We are saying that. If you can't accept that, then just leave. You've been indoctrinated and are resisting breaking free of that conditioning. Think critically, question us, think for yourself - but don't just react with your pre-programmed conditioned assumptions. With the caveat that feminists are not some dark global force in counterpart to "The Patriarchy", I agree. The major leaders/viewpoints of feminism hold harmful positions on men to a very significant extent.
/r/MensRights26/04/11 04:59 AM
1

Your comment is not constructive, despite expressing a popular and admittedly agreeable viewpoint.
/r/MensRights26/04/11 04:49 AM
2

That's exactly what I thought, but you'd be surprised. Shit is crazy.
/r/MensRights26/04/11 04:47 AM
2

Correct. I used to be a Male Privilege Advocate and misogynist (aka MRA) just like you... Alright, that's pretty blatant. I'm not quick to condemn people as trolls, but that's a good example.
/r/MensRights26/04/11 04:45 AM
1

To all the guys laughing, it's not a big deal to make these kinds of jokes, but in the context it really doesn't help the MR image. Despite that this is clearly a joke (if a bit of a stale one) it is distinct feed for feminists and others to view the MRM in a bad light. How does on discern a concern troll from an actually concerned person? What's fun or entertaining isn't always the best course of action.
/r/MensRights26/04/11 02:37 AM
1

You make a very good point, and my above comment can only pertain accurately to consensual, mutual violence.
/r/MensRights26/04/11 12:57 AM
2

I think the difference is when two guys wail on each other, no one is deceitful in their motives/the conflict is plain and out in the open. Furthermore, when men fight, the motives don't have anything to do with the receiver being male, and the attacker is understand that their actions warrant a similar response. Men fighting is honest and both parties understand the consequences of their actions. Contrast the situation of women feeling entitled to strike men without mutual response. I understan…
/r/MensRights25/04/11 12:58 AM
1

Not that it was beyond understanding, just that it was a worse than common marital trouble.
/r/MensRights24/04/11 12:34 AM
1

It was good to see the wife being understanding, but I have to say that was a little much to put one's family through out of the blue. I'm happy everything worked out, how do you have that sort of problem of dissatisfaction, and not let anyone know until that point. The understanding of the wife was great, don't get me wrong, but realistically that was beyond understandable marital troubles, and that the man should have said something before it got to that point.
/r/MensRights23/04/11 08:41 PM
3

I'm not sure we really need to worry about Palin's opinions. Just saying, she's kind of irrelevant to human existence.
/r/MensRights23/04/11 08:31 PM
2

Quick question that I'm sure has been asked before, with all due respect, are you a "real" supporter? I see your stuff a lot, but a name like thetrollking would obviously raise suspicions. You're a real MRA right? (No offense.)
/r/MensRights23/04/11 08:28 PM
1

Keeping in civil terms, this whole thing was just awful. We all know rape is bad, but damn it if that wasn't most terrible bit of text I've read in a long while.
/r/MensRights23/04/11 07:43 AM
1

Yeah, if you want to put a tax break on dependents, then that sort of universal application would be decent. EDIT: accidentally double posted.
/r/MensRights21/04/11 07:40 AM
1

(Guy) I encourage public breast feeding, not because of a libido, but because this sort of thing allows society to get over its moral hookups.
/r/MensRights21/04/11 07:30 AM
0

This is a good article, and a very good point of discussion overall, but it's on the front page three separate times.
/r/MensRights12/04/11 09:36 PM
1

I think the "patriarchy" in this one is less of an institution and more of a mindset. The concept of masculinity for a thug boyfriend which was ridiculous/extreme/outdated to a degree is what motivated this violence, and may very well be what radical feminists think of as "patriarchy". There were toxic concepts of masculinity in play here, but the whole ordeal is the product of overall violent people, not any sort of institution.
/r/MensRights12/04/11 05:33 AM
1

Rape is only caused by the second item, and is aided by the other three. The poster is a little bit nonsensical. I understand the sentiment though, and agree.
/r/MensRights12/04/11 05:33 AM
0

Look, I completely understand that this is some infuriating shit, but the best option is to dump the woman who feels the need to aggress like this. Just end the relationship, calmly and quickly, like yanking off a band-aid as a kid. This kind of abuse from women that one thought of as a loving partner must easily be among the worst experiences imaginable, but acrid fire of domestic unhappiness has to be extinguished and not fed. Anger is the most understandable emotion to feel over this, but for…
/r/MensRights11/04/11 04:37 AM
3

I think a man can go to a dance competition, see a girl promiscuously dance on a table, and still choose not to pursue that as a sexual expedition. I think there's a significant difference between "promiscuous dancing" and "parading one's vagina in public". Rape/sexual assault is not justifiable, but dammit if that women wasn't professing a percieved level of sexual openness that would have aroused many men to sexual opportunity.
/r/MensRights10/04/11 01:11 AM
1

The idea that the man should get time off for care-taking of the pregnant of wife and the managing of gestation is not out of the question.
/r/MensRights10/04/11 01:01 AM
1

Today feminism has become sick & twisted - corrupt to the core. I think the problem is less total corruption, and more of apathy (on the part of feminists) towards reprimanding extremism in their movement, not actual malice. They might not want to dispute members of their collective, feeling it would be undermining their own rights, and furthermore they might be pressured to accept the tenets of radical belief; the possibility of coercion (even by others who feel they're doing right for their co…
/r/MensRights10/04/11 12:51 AM
3

This is the comment I posted, just interested to see if it passes moderation of the sight. As a participant in r/mensrights, I can say that getting these sorts of things out into the open is a good thing for the subreddit, and that the men’s rights movement is not a consenting vehicle for misogyny or the denial of history. Exposure of these sorts of flaws in the bodies both feminism or men’s rights is a good thing, and is of benefit to both sides.
/r/MensRights10/04/11 12:43 AM
2

I think that "pussy pass" can be accurately separated from concepts of misogyny. It's certainly vulgar, and that its vulgarity could be a hindrance to discourse, but misogyny is not something I see as being a significant problem with the term. Your concerns are certainly reasonable though, and I'm upvoting you because r/mensrights should have more of this sort of discussion.
/r/MensRights10/04/11 12:33 AM
1

This is just what feminists do. I understand your sentiment, but a big part of what encourages demonization of the MRM is the conflict with feminism, which I feel needs to have a few qualifiers added to it to assuage that condemnation of the MRM. The qualifiers consist of this: Feminism did fight for rights, did provide a huge benefit to liberty of the human race, but that currently, feminism has fallen prey to the singular pitfall of rights movements: the shift from genuine equality in times of…
/r/MensRights10/04/11 12:20 AM
1

toxic ideas of masculinity That I feel does have some truth to it. Close minded concepts of masculinity can be an issue. Everything else is hugely shit though.
/r/MensRights13/03/11 08:57 PM
1

kept ripping Holy fuck, as in multiple times? What the fuck.
/r/MensRights19/01/11 05:54 AM
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