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As far as I can tell, men don't need sex for validation, they just want sex bc biologically they have a higher sex drive at least immediately and with less standards. Men want attention, respect, admiration and affection or adoration. That's what most incels seek, that's why paying for sex does nothing to fill the void or solve the mental and emotional issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/21 07:53 PM
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Ok that's fine man. We do not live in bubbles and sometimes it's not possible for me to completely separate me and my associations from those of others, but the farther away the better. I do not consider someone who merely recognizes me from school or "Hey that's _________ from marketing/HR/whatever" to be in the same circle as me. Even more so if it's a woman at a club and I don't go to that club often and literally everyone there is a stranger. I'm not sure why you feel the need to tell me tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/21 12:21 PM
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Your definition of social circle is fundamentally incorrect, or at least, so incompatible with mine that further discussion is pointless. In any case and regardless of semantics, again I am simply saying I don't like to be involved with women with whom I share friends or people I see and mingle with often. This means, the woman in class is okay as long as I don't spend a lot of time talking with her friends. Same goes for the woman who works in the cafe I go to, woman I see at the club or bar, w…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/21 11:44 AM
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....how about in class, in a library, museum, supermarket or coffee shop? I don't understand your logic in any case. Social circle doesn't mean any literal place where socialization occurs. It's a metaphorical sphere or area in which someone routinely socializes and interacts with the same people, as in if I am actually friends with the woman's friends or are around them often.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/21 11:08 AM
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....I have no idea what bubble you live in or how sheltered you are, but people still meet other people in public. Everyone's a stranger at first. Then you see if it works out. Also I specified they can't be in the circles I socialize in, they don't necessarily have to be strangers, I just don't want to be around any of their friends or mutual friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/21 11:03 AM
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It probably and definitely takes an especially traumatic or shitty past to make someone go as far as creating some type of RP platform, but it just takes observation of how people talk and interact to see that a lot of RP talking points have merit. That being said a lot of RP just boils down to take care of yourself, develop social and emotional skills and awareness. But the reason why I think RP is accurate in many ways is not because of the big bad breakups in my past, but just from what I see…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/21 05:43 AM
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I'm not going to discount your experience but straight up I have never heard that standard from men, whereas '6 feet and above' from women is, at the very least, common enough to be a meme. To not even get into the fact that height is not changeable bar painful surgery. Let's not be disingenuous and say most men who don't want fat chicks are wanting rail thin sickly women under 120. More than likely they just want a woman who's at least at a healthy weight, BMI max at 25, whereas many women are …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/21 05:33 AM
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I don't like dating or fucking anyone in my social circle even though I technically move through a lot of ones and don't like to stick to a group of people anyway. Just repulsed by the idea of other people I talk to knowing us and any potential gossip. I just stick to complete strangers or those who mingle in areas I don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/21 03:16 AM
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I hear the "men over 6 feet only" constantly it's basically a timeless meme. "Girls under 120lbs" literally not once, such that people need to entertain this standard as kind of a counterpart to the first one for purposes of discussion. And no 'girls under 120lbs only' is nowhere comparable to 'no fat chicks'.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/21 03:13 AM
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Lol this is why women say they don't like men who spend all their time in the gym. It makes it a bit harder for them to tell the natural chads from the ones who have to work for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/11/21 03:11 AM
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As a straight dude, female beauty gets me sexually aroused and incites a deep visceral reaction. Male beauty is impressive in the comparatively detached way a painting or nice car is engaging to look at. On average, goodlooking men to me are more "impressive" than goodlooking women, but I only want to fuck goodlooking women. There is something to be said though that women are still more socialized to capitalize on their looks so there are a lot more women out there taking better care of themselv…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 11:54 PM
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I should clarify, a 20% success rate would not exactly be that surprising to me, but more that I got the impression the person I was responding to was saying he was an 8/10 and yet only 20% of women would be open to conversation at all. If he was saying he only succeeded in eventually having casual sex or LTR with women 20% of the time I'd have no problem believing it. He made it sound like 80% of women just shut him down completely right from the start or made it clear they didn't want to talk.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 05:02 AM
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I don't know, I've been told I have a "good" face and jaw but otherwise I look kind of feminine (large eyes, full lips) and also am pale and thin and not tall (5'9" at best). I also have shitty posture that I'm trying to work on. All these add up to not quite a stellar score. But I think I have good social awareness and strike up conversation with ease, and a good memory which helps me remember what people say so I can bring up or tie in topics to make future conversations more pleasant or engag…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/21 03:49 AM
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I'm a weak 6 on a good day and even I get significantly more than 20% receptivity. Unless you emit stunted creep vibes women don't usually just brush you off before you can get some sentences in. You guys are either immensely overestimating your looks or your social skills. I'm betting on the latter since as long as you are decently groomed and personable women will at least stay for your sales pitch. I'd find it more believable if you said 20% of these interactions lead to sex for a socially ad…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 04:44 PM
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Your social skills must be absolute shit if you're an 8 and only 20% of women are open to conversation. Many will entertain at least some convo even from average or ugly men - doesn't mean they'll let things go further and they might just give out a number with no intent of answering, but if you're attractive at all most women will be receptive at least at first.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/21 08:26 AM
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I called out a friend for wanting only guys over 6 feet. Then she goes "Most of my exes haven't been that tall actually...around 5'9" or so." Yeah, that's still 9 inches taller than her 5' ass.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/21 07:47 AM
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FDS, reddit and the internet in general invite mentally ill women. This is probably the case to lesser extent with men, as I think a greater percentage of men in general are online, not just the weirdos. In any case I learned long ago the vast majority of things you read online are at least partially wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/11/21 10:20 PM
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As we all know, having a spouse of a certain race doesn't mean someone can't be racist, and in many ways with asian female spouses it can go hard in the other direction. Anyway, there weren't Asian people picketing in the streets or crying for boycott when Chappelle insulted them on his shows. And maybe they should have, I don't know. But on a related note you have trans people trying to shame cis people to participate and become allies when they were not allies to other marginalized groups them…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/21 12:55 AM
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I get that. I feel he does that quite a bit toward Asians. Like no real wit behind it, just something mean spirited or a schoolyard insult with the whole accent and whatever. I didn't actually watch his most recent show though.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/21 12:45 AM
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To the trans people up in arms and the employees threatening to walk out. Chappelle has insulted almost literally every demographic out there. Why is this somehow crossing the line? And if his previous offensive jabs at other groups were also not okay and don't excuse his most recent bit about trans people, where was your anger back then? Almost like certain groups are more readily afforded victim status and attention than others, and nobody gives a shit until it affects them, and that's when th…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/21 12:37 AM
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Again, the problem isn't so much that women shun doormats as much as being a dickbag is either a non-issue or even a plus as long as he's "assertive" or "confident". Being nice or caring is moot. It's just there as a piece of pointless advice to keep men in line because unless you have high SMV it doesn't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/21 03:10 PM
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Where do you live dude. I live in a very class-conscious and looks-conscious area and there are absolutely not Chads around every corner. Most guys these days, even if they have above-average genetics, sabotage themselves with poor diet and lifestyle and other fallout from a sedentary feminized society.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/21 06:41 PM
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I grew up fairly sheltered away from media and in a nonwhite area. I did not even look twice at white people or find them attractive until well into my late 20s when I started consuming more pop culture and being surrounded by white peers, coworkers, and friends. I know many people with similar experiences. Exposure matters, which is why most people in homogenous nations still rate their own as the most attractive. Western-oriented women all go for white dudes bc that's who they see the most as …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 05:24 AM
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That's the problem for the most part. Not that women's standards aren't attainable for many men but that women and society refuse to acknowledge it. There is still this idea that if a man can't meet a woman's standards it's something he's doing wrong or something he isn't doing. Meanwhile, in general men's physical standards for women are very attainable.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 04:06 PM
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One of the main reasons why I don't believe in objective standards of beauty is because going by my own experiences what I considered an 8 just 10 years ago - for men and women - varies greatly from what I consider an 8 now, and this is true even if I were to compare what I liked 5 years ago. This doesn't include other times or phases in my life where the contrast would be even greater. People and their tastes change, probably due to a lot of reasons but environment and exposure are big factors.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 02:37 AM
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What I took from it is there is no ideal face, but the morphed most average faces are deemed attractive by most people, but they aren't necessarily rated as most attractive by each individual person i.e. usually the morphed average blend is not a top tier Chad face. The most attractive faces are usually fairly average faces with some deviating features that work in their favor. Also, cultural beauty standards exist. To use one example Chinese people did not rate the averaged Chinese face highly,…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/21 02:27 AM
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Desperate well-enough-to-do simps: "You underestimate my power."
/r/PurplePillDebate20/08/21 05:18 PM
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I also enjoy the peace and quiet of working out alone. Just for some reason I don't know why I found my performance so much better when in the company of others.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 07:34 PM
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Good shit. For whatever reason when I run alone I just do okay but on the few races I've done I did close to 6 minute miles even when running over 6 mi total. I wonder if you get extra pumped with adrenaline when you're surrounded by other runners in that type of setting.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 07:21 PM
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Yeah you got a point there. I was thinking more like parents telling us just to work hard and be caring and sensitive and shit will all work out.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 06:34 PM
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I don't necessarily think they lied. More like they were just saying what they thought they were supposed to say and didn't give it much more thought than that, because it was a different world when they were growing up and for whatever devices they had it seemed to work and apply well enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 12:25 AM
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All the non top 1-2% men actually having casual sex as I type this would beg to differ. Maybe the bigger question is whether it's worth it for a 50th percentile man to pursue casual sex if it takes quite a bit more work compared to someone say in the 80th or higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 04:08 PM
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It's not so much that RP's views are inherently unique but more that it was one of the primary movements for opening men's eyes to show (or remind) them in package form what actually works, that is...increasing status or at least perceived status, social and emotional intelligence - again, real or faked, the importance of preselection as well as lifting and looks and dress. Unfortunately there are/were quite a few clueless men who actually felt all this was truly brilliant and revelatory. None o…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 04:02 PM
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You seem bent on defending FDS and I'm not motivated to come up with a well thought out argument other than, spaces where shitty people gather should be banned and that is exactly what FDS is. If incels migrate and take their garbage to another space bc their shithole sub got eliminated that space should be banned also. I guess you can always pull out the but-femcels-havent-committed-any-mass-shootings card as a gotcha. I'm just gonna agree to disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 01:52 AM
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As far as I know, a lot of femcels migrated to and post on FDS and stats have shown this, and in any case the people on FDS sure sound like femcels and are trash in the same way. I guess there has yet as far as we know someone who identifies as a femcel or FDS member to commit a mass murder. Congratulations....I guess? MGTOW2 only exists because MGTOW was banned, and isn't that place quarantined? The amount of shitty male subs banned still greatly outnumbers that of shitty female subs, there are…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 01:43 AM
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I'm not talking about vindicta specifically, it's just all part of a larger fucked up sphere like the manosphere is. There is huge overlap between those who post on looksmaxxing sites and incel/femcel or gender-centric forums that bitch about the opposite sex. And I stand by the fact that the standards are often white-centered and white worshipping (angel vs witch skull, anyone?), even if they don't know it. Just like people like to defend femcel spaces, incels like to say their communities are …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 01:13 AM
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The smarter and more observant you are, the more wary you are of people and potential risks and the sorry state of modern society. And if you're successful along with it you have more to lose.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 10:31 PM
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Metaphorically men are just more hungry. When you're starving you'll take a shitty half-eaten loaf of bread no questions asked. If you're not that hungry but you still want to eat you'll only settle for something you really want or find appealing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 10:29 PM
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I got 3, which is fairly middle of the road. It fits.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 08:06 PM
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Reminds me of how they say reddit and by greater extension the internet and OLD is full of all types of men and mostly mentally ill women. Not sure if this speaks more poorly of Reddit or men in general actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 05:52 PM
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THE AUDACITY! hahaah
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 05:29 PM
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A follow up to a reply a mentally ill pinkpiller posted (something something femcels aren't as bad as incels reeee) that they deleted: Glowup and vindicta are the female counterparts of the trash looksmaxxing incel subs and they all share the same flaws, being hateful and bitter toward the opp sex, being deluded about standards and fixating over individual features, not being able to rate for shit as a result, having a very eurocentric ideal and just overall being toxic; the non-white members al…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 05:10 PM
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Incel/femcel spheres autistically focus on individual features and are very deluded about what is attractive, but that before/after doesn't even look like he got more masculine. He just looks more bloated and fat like he has alcoholic face.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 05:01 PM
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Much like empaths or vegans or people who eat low carb, I have nothing against strong independent women. The red flag comes when they vocally express that they are and won't stfu about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 03:04 PM
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This sub shouldn't stress you out. Nor should Reddit in general. I've been on Reddit way too long during quarantine and what I've learned is to take everything people say with a huge bucket of salt, no matter how sure or credible they sound.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 02:44 AM
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Also that a lot of people still don't really believe women have it easier with dating. A lot of men on this sub have just said all they want is the acknowledgment and change in perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 02:41 AM
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How does one person's views prove anything? But more importantly, this guy doesn't even really sound TRP as the aim of many TRP adherents is very much that party and plate-spinning life. He sounds like more of a tradcon specifically, even though tradcons can overlap with TRP to an extent.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/21 11:15 PM
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The thing is the US is always considered synonymous with fat people and obesity when in reality they are in good company with many other postmodernized countries and even some more obscure nations; the US isn't even 3rd or 4th place. I always find it amusing or ironic when Brits or Europeans make fun of fat Americans. Case in point Mexico has a higher obesity rate but the association and jokes about fat Mexicans in popular culture and daily conversation don't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/21 04:11 PM
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I know way too many men of all varieties who met their SO through OLD for me to think it's a waste of time for men. Are they happy, how much did they settle? Or rather, how much did the women who agreed to date them settle? Maybe those are the bigger questions. I don't really see any motivation for lying outside of this sub since I'd think there's a bigger taboo or shame associated with resorting to OLD.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 10:52 PM
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Everyone thinks they're a 7, everyone thinks they aren't stupid, everyone will say they aren't the perp. I mean, saying they didn't do it is exactly what a guilty person would say. But an innocent person would say the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/21 10:50 PM
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Reminds me of Japanese culture where there are a myriad of social prescriptions for how to carry yourself in public but what happens closed doors is don't ask don't tell and there's entire industries of fucked up weird deviant sexual shit.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 05:22 PM
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This reminds me of a quote that isn't related to the subject matter but the association is quite clear: "Nothing kills a good employee like watching you tolerate a bad one." Same application to good men watching women tolerate shitty men - while demanding standards of good men they don't hold shitty men to.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 05:20 PM
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- She
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/21 02:52 AM
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But aren't you in Russia? Dating dynamics are probably different there and traditional gender roles remain much stronger.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 03:58 PM
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From what I've seen women do prefer masculine faces, but they are always more feminine or "softer" than what men think they are attracted most to. Many men and esp incels are deluded into this type of autistic thinking that the more masculine the better. A lot of women I know find overly angular or square jaws or those squinty hunter eyes ugly, and in some cultures or places like East Asia they are a straight-up failo. Tbf women aren't a great judge of what men find [most] attractive either even…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 03:24 PM
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Reminds me of this comedy bit from Mark Normand where if a woman goes back to a guy's place on a first date and finds out he's a nazi, she thinks "I need to get out of here". Whereas if a guy finds out the woman is a nazi he thinks "Man i need to find a way to sleep with her and then get out of here."
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 03:07 PM
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I think some people already ITT put it nicely. Obesity lowers a woman's value more than it lowers a man's, but overall since men have it harder in dating and thus a fat man will have it worse than a fat woman anyway, it may seem the other way around.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/21 03:05 PM
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The whole idea isn't about a woman going from ugly to hot or from a guy going from unemployed to millionaire, it's about being emotionally supportive when someone has hit rock bottom or going through a rough patch (eg job loss, mental illness), so this entire discussion is moot.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 04:58 AM
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That's the point is you added him on social media - often it's the other way around - and started exchanging memes with him after less than a week. From many men's standpoint that would be justifiably interpreted as interest; ergo it wasn't your compliment on his sweater or even again if you had exchanged some friendly banter. I'm not even saying you did anything wrong, just that his response was understandable and your experience in no way exemplifies niceness or complimenting men being mislead…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 04:30 AM
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If women didn't compete there wouldn't be tropes about women secretly backstabbing or shitting on other women, or being more critical and scathing of other women in the public eye than the men they accuse of being sexist.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 12:28 AM
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Not blaming you or him, but if you had stopped at telling him the color suited him or after brief convo I don't think the following would have transpired. I think it was more that you stuck around for extended conversation then added him on social media first plus frequent exchange online after knowing him for such a short time. Heck even if a guy wasn't attention-starved he might think you were into him. Wouldn't you suspect the same thing if the tables were turned? I wouldn't say that your exp…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/21 12:21 AM
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I don't want to just say "it's biology" but it's biology. Why vet women based on beauty or looks then? They're analogous in how the two sexes are programmed to be inherently drawn to the criteria. For many women they won't even consider or notice a man unless he meets a certain height threshold, ditto with looks for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 05:38 AM
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Yup women wait at the finish line to pick the winners. Again hypergamy hits different, it's not just simply "oh ofc everyone wants a winner, not a loser." Something about men needing to make their value and women needing to keep their value.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/21 05:34 AM
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I love the 'BuT BmI iSnT AcCuRaTe" kneejerk response. Unless you're a bodybuilder or athlete with obviously an excess of lean mass - in which case you would absolutely know it - BMI works. If your BMI is high and you aren't part of the aforementioned miniscule percentage of the population (not even 1%), you fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/21 07:57 PM
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Lack of effort and trying. Not readily approaching or being willing to talk to women in public...in a non-creepy socially well-adjusted manner.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 06:21 PM
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In their defense, I don't think these people are adopting these views because they think it makes them more attractive....? It's more just because their experiences have made them jaded and bitter, something all of us can identify with to varying degrees.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 06:19 PM
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The cool guy will get laid every time. The hot guy will only get laid if he isn't bad socially. Or at least, even if the hot socially-stunted or inhibited guy manages to get sex because he's hot, he won't be as successful as the cool guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 08:35 AM
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I don't get why people think Chris Hemsworth's face is attractive. He's like the perfect example of movie star fame halo if I've ever seen one. Dude seems like a nice guy IRL though, so it's hard to shit on him.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 08:32 AM
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Yes, but from my observations this minimum standard isn't especially high. It almost mirrors the trope incels like to make fun of...just be well-groomed [enough], well-spoken [enough], dress well [enough], shower, etc. don't be fat. And you don't need to be amazing really on any of those criteria.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 08:29 AM
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I'd agree. The men who have women flock to them or were the most popular back in college were not necessarily the best looking. But they had the highest status and the most connections and were socially outgoing and uninhibited. They usually weren't ugly either, but that's beside the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 08:26 AM
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The way I understand it, we used to mate with the male behind the female like doggy-style. As we became more upright, we started having sex face to face, and the breasts evolved to mimic the buttocks that the male would normally face or see during sex. I'm not sure if it's something that's been debunked or not though. It's been awhile.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/21 08:22 AM
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I'm just saying if you want people to think you're more than a pretty face then perhaps spend more time talking about how you are more than that and not talking about how you are just as pretty as the narrow conventional standard society puts out. This just shows you care a lot more about being viewed as pretty than anything else, despite the moral grandstanding as is common with many feminists. The amount of time spent reveals what the person values. It's like those people who bring up mental i…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 04:41 AM
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They aren't contradictory but the amount of time spent on the soapbox on each idea is telling. If they were really into value beyond appearance you'd think they would spend a lot more time focusing on women's role or paths into various professions, hobbies, and other skill sets and ideologies rather than pushing the "every woman is beautiful" narrative 24/7. They are pushing women are much more than just being pretty, and then saying all women are pretty, over and over. They are lying to themsel…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/21 04:28 AM
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I get that. It's just interesting bc I see women all the time talk about how women shouldn't be objectified and should be valued for much more than their beauty, then go on to campaign day and night that all women are beautiful and beauty standards need to change.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 10:07 PM
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True but there isn't the trope of men telling fat men they are perfect and attractive just the way they are. Men in general are just more honest when critiquing other men or their male friends, but yes as an entire society in general we aren't especially proactive about pushing others, or ourselves, to get to the gym. One thing I don't get is women these days talking about wanting to not be objectified and being appreciated for more than their looks, but then all they do is post pictures of them…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 04:03 PM
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I think if all the women with this type of observable catty behavior (eg sabotaging other women in secret or indirectly) were of low(ish) IQ you wouldn't see many academically or professionally successful women also do the same thing. I suspect it probably goes more down to biology or female nature. Or maybe evolutionarily speaking women evolved to rely more on hidden and passive or non-violent methods of competition due to being physically weaker. Appreciate your input though.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 08:05 AM
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So I don't disagree with what you are saying, but I want to know why you (or anyone else) thinks this is. Why is women's strategy short term or always about the immediate payout, or why is men's strategy longer term; why are things different with women vs men in this context when both sexes experience competition.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 07:39 AM
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Right, but what I mean is then why wouldn't women help each other attract men with the expectation of friendship or a favor in return? I know what you described happens but I'm wondering about the reasons. Probably has something to do with men being the actors and initiators and women being the ones acted upon - due to tradition, biology, socialization, and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 07:17 AM
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I don't mind thicc at all though. Lol I feel it means curvy in all the right places. Thicc doesn't equal fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 07:09 AM
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But why don't you see this with men? Why do men tell other men to get in shape (eg a fit guy telling a fat guy) if it means more competition for them as well?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 07:07 AM
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There's insulting another woman and then there's obviously disingenuous platitudes about how gorgeous and perfect they are. I would be all for this type of sisterly support if it wasn't so obviously fake. What do they say, men insult each other and don't mean it, women compliment each other and don't mean it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 07:01 AM
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Women consider overweight women low value. They just pretend they don't and lift them up so that the overall standards remain or get lower and their own value will seem higher in comparison.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 06:58 AM
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Incel terminology is cringe enough, and then the femcels er FDS actually were unoriginal and sad enough to think this terminology was worth emulating into their own vernacular.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 06:54 AM
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Mentally ill train wrecks...Color me shocked.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/21 06:50 AM
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People have different priorities. There are men who, for better or worse, put way more time toward some things over others. Hence why you get gfs complaining or not wanting a guy that spends all his time in the gym - or in front of the tv. Point being putting in significant time gaming - or any other hobby - in no way prevents people from staying in shape, or maintaining a healthy relationship, if they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/21 06:05 PM
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Believe it or not it's actually quite possible with some time management here and there to maintain a regular gym schedule while devoting significant time to your hobbies - one of those hobbies perhaps being video gaming.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/21 06:02 PM
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Would rather stay single and jerk off than date crazy. Although maybe it's bc after the experiences you realize it's not worth it. Those instances when you're arguing, and for the first time she transforms into someone you don't even recognize stay with you for a lifetime.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 09:11 PM
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So....contrary to what you said earlier, women DO lie, a lot if not always, about looks then to men? Even if it's "just to be polite"? We're reaching levels of misandric hamstering and projection even bad for PPD standards. You should know better than that at your age.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 08:49 PM
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Women do this because it keeps their own value high(er). They know deep down the other woman is less/not attractive and as long as the other woman thinks she's all that she won't do anything to improve and the woman delivering the compliment remains ahead. Another reason is that by elevating mediocre to subpar women, their own looks level is kept satisfactory and the standards either remain or become lower. "Yass queeeen slayyy" "Omg can I be you" "I'm obsessed with you" "You're perfect" "Okayyy…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 07:54 PM
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And all the columnists, and community leaders, and acquaintances, and female dating advisors and coaches? Must be nice to always be able to fall back on "Well ofc they were just trying to be nice", "They're trying to make money", "The patriarchy is making them say it". Which excuse will you use this time? When women lie it's justifiable white lies or smart business decisions but when men do it it's oppreshunnnnn. Thankfully a lot of men are a lot more honest and harsher with each other than you …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 07:42 PM
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Men born with naturally masculine physiques will always have the advantage. But for the vast majority of women, simply a physique that isn't skinny fat, chubby/fat or overly soft is sufficient. The blessed may naturally already have this as a starting point and those at the bottom may need to put in a few solid sessions at the gym per week. Nevertheless in the case of body I don't think genetics is an excuse 99.5% of guys can use even if it's not a fair race. Height or face on the other hand...
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 07:36 PM
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Yeah keep projecting and up your med dosage so you fully comprehend the comments you read before you decide to respond. Men were lied to, by other men, and by women. And now you're backpedaling because you basically just typed out of reflex to satisfy your FDS urges. Back to your femcel hive thx.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 07:31 PM
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Then there are those women here from all the prerequisite subs (fds, raised by narcissists, dating over 30, depression, etc) who insist men and women are the same when it comes to being attracted to goodlooking people and view it as their revenge fantasy on men who have been "deluded" all their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 04:54 PM
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LOL the mentally compromised FDS energy comments on here are always obvious. I was replying to the comment that said women NEVER are the ones who do the deceiving or lying when it comes to telling men looks don't matter. I'm not just talking about mothers saying things just to make their sons feel better. Honestly it would be difficult to find a guy who hasn't heard that looks don't matter repeatedly from women - and not just ones they know personally. I'm talking about articles about dating and…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 04:24 PM
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Along comes social media and you feel like you were fed a pack of lies because you were. But not by us. Never by us. You must be joking. This whole ugly-man conspiracy argument would be convincing if there were not countless men who grew up hearing from their sisters, mothers, female colleagues, friends, and mentors that looks don't matter (as much) to women, that any guy can get any girl with the right personality, that (insert heartthrob celeb here) didn't do anything for them until they playe…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 10:29 AM
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If anything the exception is the attractiveness level of offspring equaling that of their parents. In reality it's completely random, and most people are average. Unless we are again, talking about things like height.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 10:26 AM
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Doubtful with the sheer amount of Henry Cavill and Sebastian Stan reposts. I'm sure gay men find them attractive but they don't seem to be fixtures in the same way they are in female circles from observation. If the sub was mostly gay men you'd see a lot of twinks or muscle-bound guys from a younger demographic rather than older more distinguished guys. You'd also see more obscure men instead of only the famous well-known high status men in the spotlight.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 08:42 AM
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Any preference for feminine men comes with the requirement of looking like an attractive kpop member or e-boy. Feminine unattractive or just average men - think soft unremarkable faces and bodies, wide hips, and weak passive demeanors - get nothing or are woman repellent unless they are okay with being beta providers. Masculine men however will always do fine. Obviously goodlooking masculine men do better but there are plenty of so-so to even ugly dudes who get by just by being assertive or soci…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 08:31 AM
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My theory is that most "ugly" people are deemed so due to slight deviations in individual features such as a big nose, ears, or just something minor that throws everything off. Assuming absence of hereditary illnesses or maladies there is a decent if not good chance this won't translate to their offspring. Bodyweight and frame can be tempered to an extent by taking extra care with diet and lifestyle. Obviously someone with good height and frame genetically will have the advantage but those witho…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 01:12 AM
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I think it's more like women deem only the top 20% of men attractive enough to even consider dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 01:07 AM
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From observation there seems to be very little correlation between how attractive parents are vs the kids. It can really go either way since attractiveness is more about facial harmony rather than individual features. Exceptions might include isolated valued traits like height or frame. There was also a study that showed goodlooking men actually don't really pass on their good looks to their sons.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/21 12:52 AM
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Good for you I guess? You're also assuming our brains operate logically when it comes to attraction; we are consciously aware that mating strategy is a huge if not the biggest factor in why many people do the things they do and that doesn't stop us from still being attracted to them. Blame the countless other women who reward these shitty men with sex then, who somehow missed the apparently glaring memo that these men are, in fact, losers with "no backbone". The uncomfortable fact is the types o…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/21 09:11 AM
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Love can definitely complement and enhance sex, but it is not necessary, at least for me, in any shape or form for sex to be enjoyable.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/21 03:21 PM
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Even then societies as they are currently organized and run need betas to keep things going through their labor and production. In that sense they have "value".
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/21 12:08 PM
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Yeah what the hell. Men 20-30 are living at home with mommy and daddy, 30-35 are sleeping around, 35 and up are married or have given up dating. Seriously, talk about digging for reasons to justify one's pickiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/21 09:28 PM
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Hypercompetitive, aggressive, arrogant, manipulative, selfish, and emotionally unavailable men have never struggled with getting women. Yet when men struggle with women they are told to be more sensitive and less of these traits. Loyal, responsible, compassionate, and independent men, however, are not guaranteed success.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/21 01:05 AM
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More like men are upset because masculinity has increasingly negative associations yet in the context of this sub women keep flocking to masculine men no matter how shitty they are. Rest assured if women actually preferred soft beta men there would be no masculine men.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/21 09:39 PM
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Maybe like telling your wife/gf that she isn't fat?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 04:08 PM
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Fair enough, that does happen.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 12:42 PM
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Would you be able to elaborate further on the difference between male and female insecurities in a general sense? Most insecure men I feel would be all over the first woman to give them attention, precisely because they desire it, and either don't or perceive they don't get much of it. I am not sure why they would avoid relationships altogether unless it just appears that way bc they have given up.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 12:26 PM
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Curious re: your opinion, why is it that you think insecure men - and there are plenty - don't seek out toxic women in the same numbers? I mean I am sure there are guys out there forever seeking validation from bitchy sexpot Stacy but there isn't a trope of men wanting bad girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 12:18 PM
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You would think then that with all this postmodern conditioning designed to raise women's self esteem, emotionally unavailable men would not enjoy the popularity they currently still do, or is the conditioning not working?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 12:08 PM
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The problem is asshole wifebeater in general is vastly more successful with women than nerd afraid of his own shadow, and we as a society like to dispense advice to men having trouble with women more toward the nerdy stable side, often as an explanation for why they're not having success with women. "You're probably not as nice as you think you are then" "Get your shit together and man up" "Maybe you're a closet misogynist, women can sense these things"
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 12:02 PM
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Kind of like how women can get away with not making a lot of money or having high social status as long as they're cute? Men wouldn't "get away" with not looking so great if there weren't women willing to date them for other reasons, or is this a blame the patriarchy and social pressures thing again?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 02:35 AM
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No, because as broad generalizations go, women select men for their stability and men select women for their looks. Looks do matter for women - the same way men would rather women not be unemployed or saddled with debt - but it's not remotely the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/21 02:32 AM
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I think even a lot of those men who "master" TRP tactics or have come to enjoy significant success with women after learning RP exhibit a sense of sadness or depression; it's almost disheartening to find that "this is all there is", and assuming that they believe everything they've learned, that women just all operate the same way and respond to certain things. You can come away with a sense that life has no point, that women aren't ever truly capable of loving or caring about you without some t…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/21 02:41 AM
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I dunno, as some people say OLD is a super common way of meeting nowadays, and the vast majority of guys in these couples, many who relate meeting through OLD, are hardly lookers. Maybe the guy wasn't necessarily the woman's first choice while swiping, but it shows you don't really need to be a stunner to make OLD work for you if you're a man. How loyal or hypergamous she will be? Maybe another story.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/21 02:26 AM
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The vast majority of incels are thin or of normal weight. They are a toxic and shitty deluded group - at least the vocal ones online - but trust many of them have an autistic obsession with their looks; their gripe is they can't get sex even after maxxing their hygiene, style, workout regimes, and such. The reasons for their struggles lie almost entirely in their stunted social skills bar exceptions, and not because of obesity or female hypergamy even though those are legit issues and the latter…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 06:31 AM
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The percentage of women who prefer those types of men is small, even much less exclusively of course. The percentage of women who are open to dating, fucking, or marrying those men as a possibility is much higher and they lie on a spectrum. One thing about fat men that many forget is that for many couples where the woman is attractive and the man...isn't so much, often times the man was much fitter and more well-groomed - his phenotype more clearly expressed his genetic value - when they first s…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 06:17 AM
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Diversified tastes sure but the increase in looks obsession ultimately beats out the generic white guy only preference of the 80s. Your basic bland 5/10 Joe could still land an 8/10 woman or dare I say higher if he had a stable job or career prospects and did "all the right things". There was no OLD back then, women were not as educated and not making as much or more money than men, the political zeitgeist was completely different, and women were, depending on what you believe, either more faith…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 06:13 AM
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Not the biggest shock since society is gynocentric in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 09:57 PM
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Only happens if the guy is attractive. Then women construct this type of image in their head of him having some type of tortured dramatic history, and it appeals to their desire to fix and improve a guy like a project. There are other types of damaged men women like too, but they lean toward the uninhibited masculine variety which compensates for their lack of physical attributes, something that isn't really true of men who just seem sad or depressed.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 06:50 PM
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A quick glance at the photos incels post tell me they aren't ugly but just mostly skinny and awkward-looking. Inb4 only the non-fat decent looking incels post pictures.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 06:46 PM
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The conflict doesn't come in the resentment but more that so many women argue that no such advantage exists, or that there is even a disadvantage and men are privileged, as they tend to say nowadays.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/21 05:39 PM
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If ugliness is not their problem since there are many women who go for unconventional as you say, why is your advice full of how to fix or improve one's looks or lower one's physical standards?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/21 12:10 AM
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Fair answer. Amidst my cynicism I was expecting you to be yet again another one of those women who were basically looking for conventionally attractive men who happen to have niche hobbies.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 06:10 PM
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Haha that's even more flattering that you say that. I just picked two random words and put them together.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 05:58 PM
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Okay so if the skinny rockers were as equally desirable as the jocks at "peak hormone levels", what happened from then until like say 30? If women's standards got higher why would they ditch the rockers altogether when as you say they desired skinny rockers a decade ago? Why just go for masculine or jock now? My theory is that what is emotional and socially acceptable plays a much bigger role for women, and it just so happens that their preferences follow in line with the socially prescribed lif…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 05:57 PM
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For clarification I am not implying that straight women who prefer feminine men suffer from dying libido, just that maybe their libido isn't inherently high, or again, that maybe they feel less secure or developed in their sexuality and preferences. Just so I am reading you right, are you implying then that as women age, they lose the ability to be attracted to anything but tall and masculine? Or are they just MOST attracted to that and refuse to settle due to entitlement and hypergamy? Or is th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 04:53 PM
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Just curious, how do you find gamers and nerds attractive unconventionally as an entire group? Obviously there are physically attractive gamers and nerds but what makes you say that in a broad sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 04:42 PM
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You're entitled to hold out for anything. Doesn't mean you'll get it or won't be laughed at for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 04:35 PM
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Ok so again, why do you think that is. I guess I never hear people's thoughts on why, and just that it happens. Also there are plenty of scrawny or at least "thin" adult men with attractive women, even if they may not be as popular as the traditional tall masculine bearded type. Edit: Would you say women who don't prefer masculine men or prefer more feminine men are either less in tune with or have not sufficiently explored their sexuality, or don't care as much about sex or have a lower sex dri…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 04:17 PM
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Everyone always repeats that younger women tend to go for "pretty" boys while as they get older they graduate to a preference for more masculine looking men. But nobody really discusses why this is. Is it because younger women are less sure or haven't really explored what they want sexually? Are they less secure in asserting what they really like, so "prettier" less masculine men are a safer but at least aesthetically pleasing and socially acceptable option? Are then masculine men a much better …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/21 04:01 PM
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Ok but why though?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/21 11:58 PM
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A bigger problem is men are told to be "nice" and predictable and if they are having no luck with women they are just told they aren't being "nice" or predictable enough. Something must be wrong with you. You must not have your shit together, perhaps you're a secret bigot or misogynist or creep; after all this time society is still in large part unwilling to entertain that if you are one of these men, becoming shitty and toxic will increase your success.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 07:58 PM
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In any case, it may either be lack of empathy or that people/women perceive him to lack empathy or be unsettlingly cold. They are ultimately the same for purposes of this context.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/21 02:01 AM
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Okay well all I needed to read was "I've dated lots of women". So you've had no problem getting your foot in the door. I don't know you at all so I have no idea why things don't work out, but I feel that is a whole 'nother discussion. You seem to be a smart guy so I wonder if it's a case of very intelligent or analytical men ironically having trouble connecting with or understanding dating and women. I was under the impression you were getting zero initial returns, so maybe my misunderstanding. …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 05:19 PM
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You're 6 feet tall and reasonably attractive, well educated at the published and world-class level, athletic at a professional level, and a homeowner. Are you also white? If you still aren't getting anything I'll have to say it's something wrong with your personality and outlook or the way you carry yourself. You couldn't have been dealt a better hand short of being a full-on Chad, and I say that without trying to take away any credit from the effort required to attain your accomplishments. Eith…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/21 05:06 PM
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I won't ever get tired of saying this. Think of the high divorce rate, and then think of how many more couples are still unhappy or in sexless dead marriages despite not getting divorced. Divorce is messy and emotionally and resourcefully draining, nobody gets a divorce just because things are bad. It's after things have been bad, closer to miserable, and they've denied things are bad or brushed things under the rug for months or years, and then they've talked repeatedly and tried repeatedly. An…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/21 08:10 AM
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Maybe it's bc despite the fact that women are way more critical of other women than men are, men still are the target of the majority of the animosity and criticism when it comes to body-positive and other similar movements.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 06:13 PM
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Then HVM are basically everywhere. Most guys I know are sheep who would be too scared to even remotely question the liberal feminist narrative and have decent paying jobs. Honestly to give FDS the benefit of the doubt I often wonder exactly how shitty the men were in their past experiences. Like did they grow up around criminals and wifebeaters or what.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/21 05:41 PM
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Blackpillers aren't always wrong but personality and sense of humor also play a huge role in how a guy makes a woman feel. Being neurotic and nerdy alone are not attractive traits but they are often compensated by other qualities.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/21 07:39 PM
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If sex for women is more emotional then why do the men need to be hot(ter) for one night stands? Going by this if a woman is going to risk her reputation or go against social pressures to have sex with a guy purely for the sex, wouldn't she pick men whom she feels high emotional bonds with rather than the bad boy looker?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/21 03:16 AM
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Lol if that's you in that avatar you have a skinny fat shit body but are by no means too ugly to get women, especially if you make good $.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 02:35 AM
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If she's a certain height, she's going to want someone that is that same height Lol what planet are you from lady.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 02:18 AM
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A person's market value in dating is due to many factors, not all of them sound or justified. I'm no SJW but it's silly to think all preferences are just preferences and the market isn't rigged in some ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 02:05 AM
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Dating standards and trends will always be everyone's problems since they play a huge role in everyone's individual experiences and options in dating. It just then depends on whether one views the reasons behind said standards to be problematic or immoral. Eg people who think racial preferences are fine and normal vs those who think they are not ok and in large part the product of social conditioning.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 01:59 AM
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There's probably a gray area where you still try your best but remain annoyed or angry at those with standards you believe to be reflective of disturbing trends eg the man who struggles with dating and thinks more and more women are becoming more entitled and refusing to settle for anything less than top 5%. Preferences don't form in a vacuum, so in essence I think it's oversimplification to advise people to simply ignore shitty people with shitty standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/21 01:48 AM
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Standards are not always justified and often are due to people or society being shitty. It's okay to complain about shitty people and treat them like shit due to their shittiness. In turn they can be as shitty as they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 11:16 PM
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People are allowed to have whatever standards they want, and we are allowed to laugh at or shit on them for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 07:54 PM
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The only good thing about truerateme is its willingness toward brutal honesty. Unfortunately, the standards are warped because they are made by autistic incels who fixate on certain features, and going by their charts not remotely reflective of real-life preferences.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/21 01:25 AM
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To be fair Truerateme is inundated with delusional incel/femcel looksmaxxing ideology, with male incels and autists being esp harsh toward women.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 07:22 PM
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This right here. Women are just much more picky biologically. Pure aesthetics aren't necessarily enough to attract a woman, and subpar aesthetics are often more than enough to attract a man. That's just how it is. I think the grievances from some men come when society doesn't acknowledge that this makes it inherently more difficult for men in the dating world.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 05:44 PM
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A beautiful woman is sexually attractive, even to some or many women who identify as straight. A beautiful man is visually impressive and the result of hard work, great to look at for both men and women, but not inherently sexually appealing. So it's less of a factor when women are seeking men.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 06:54 AM
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Even women in their 50s, provided they take care of themselves, have more options than many 20-something year old men bc of the dating market and women being the ones who pick and vet. That doesn't mean the disparity doesn't decrease over time or that it's not significant in terms of consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 06:36 AM
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Masculine features are more "risky" biologically speaking, but in general I actually find men more facially attractive due to better structure. The ladyboners sub is full of masculine men, some of whom are also pretty, but in a masculine way, and there are very few soft feminine looking dudes there. There are also many ugly masculine men who can do well with women. Ugly feminine men, not so much. Since I'm straight, I am only sexually attracted to women and mainly due to their curves or bodies. …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 06:31 AM
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Men accept it. The problem is postmodern progressive society acts like it doesn't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/21 04:46 AM
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I'm not saying women (or increasingly men) don't have body image issues, but I have never really understood the whole "eating disorders and body dysmorphia are major looming problems" thing. If we have all these people starving themselves or living at the gym for some ideal, why are there so many fat people in postmodern countries, up to half or more overweight and a third clinically obese? I'm beginning to think a big fuss is made just bc it affects mostly middle to upper class white women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/21 05:25 AM
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Go to the Ladyboners sub, 99% of the men there are either masculine and pretty looking, or just masculine. There is a reason Henry Cavill is much more popular than Matt Bomer even though they look so similar. Nevertheless, feminine men do well with a subset of women if they are facially attractive. That's the main draw. If they didn't look good they would otherwise be repulsive or elicit indifference through their feminine behaviors and aura. You can be ugly and masculine and still do decent wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/21 09:03 PM
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The problem/hypocrisy comes with these standards not in the fact that say, women care more about height than men, but when a woman has strict standards for height and then gets upset when men have standards for weight. Or when women are encouraged and called empowered for not settling for any man who isn't tall and rich, but men are called shallow for wanting non-obese pretty women. It's a social or entitlement type issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/21 08:55 PM
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Height is huge for most women and plays a role in sex appeal. They naturally gravitate toward and notice the tallest man in the room. If he's ugly or has extreme proportions (too skinny, too fat, etc.) that's one thing, but I've seen women go for the 6'2 guy with the good-enough face over the 5'7 dude with a better face all the time. This is especially if he has decent social skills and extroversion, which communicates status. Also, a good build on a tall man looks natural and great. A good buil…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/21 06:33 PM
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Are there men who actually prefer committing to high N-count women or is it merely something that some men can live with or look past - either bc they actually don't care as much or due to lack of options? I'd ask the same question about you (assuming you are straight) and bisexual men.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/21 09:41 AM
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Men care more about n-count than women for the same reasons women care more about height than men. It's biology...I don't understand why people complain about "double standards" when it makes complete sense that men and women, being different, appraise each other with different criteria.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/21 09:13 AM
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It used to be, but prices have gone up a lot. It's not that much cheaper than an entree at some random diner or chain restaurant unless you go for the deals or dollar menu. The featured items can go for up to $5 or more, although it's been awhile since I've visited a fast food place so my info could be outdated.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/21 09:09 AM
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8 bucks is 8 beefy mini quesadillas from Taco Bell. Nothing to sniff at.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/21 07:52 PM
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I would say the concepts apply universally, but the specific standards vary eg the criteria for value in men and women. What constitutes beautiful/handsome, rich/poor, charismatic/awkward, high/low status, varies between cultures and countries - with the exception of things like height for men and facial symmetry or skin quality. The line may also shift depending on social norms and taboos in terms of how far people, usually men, can push their boundaries before they go from bad boy/exciting int…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 10:09 PM
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I think you're giving too much credit to the female counterparts of male incels and blackpillers - eg pinkpillers, femcels, radfems. Your posts also carry the subtext of men as a monolith, rather than "most men are not like this but ___________". You want proof, all you need to do is scroll up. At the very least shitty manosphere men express their belief in AWALT, which explains their motivations. Seems pretty disingenuous to say there are women trashing men 24/7 online because most of the men t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 09:35 PM
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Basically unhappiness happens when expectations and reality don't align.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 08:37 PM
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Sorry, just the overall vibe I get from FDS or posters there who post here. I wouldn't say PPD or the shitty men online are representative of most men, but either the women who post on that sub think they are, or basically talk like they are. If these are just a niche minority of men and most of the men you know don't act like the ones you speak poorly of, why the outspokenness and why is a large sub needed to either shit on or vet them?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 08:26 PM
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I'm caught in that weird place between heavily being repulsed by FDS and your opinions vs fully agreeing with you if I'm going to take your experiences at face value. Going by what you're saying, I too would absolutely hate men if all the men around me didn't shower, had bad hygiene, and were the type to abandon their children. I don't know where a lot of these women live and socialize but I don't envy them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/21 07:30 PM
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You won't come across as creepy or intrusive if she ends up feeling mutual attraction. That doesn't necessarily mean you have to be tall or goodlooking, but point being how the approach is interpreted is wholly dependent on her response and reaction, contrary to the idea that it's in the man's control whether or not she thinks he's creepy - aside from actual creeps and creepy behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 09:21 PM
2

Lol you think the assholes of the manosphere and incel kingdom online constitute 80% of all men?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/21 04:22 AM
4

It blows my mind that people think Hemsworth is a 10 facially unless you are fine with him being halo'ed hard by his height, fame and muscles. Very nice and funny guy IRL I'm sure, but it's times like this that I basically can't take other people's opinions and tastes seriously.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 04:25 AM
4

Don't look at the chart for women then from TRM. It's even worse.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 04:01 AM
2

And yet in Asia he'd be considered either painfully average or even ugly. Narrow eyes and overbearing jaws and cheekbones are failos there. The ratings system is heavily skewed in favor of western standards, among other problems the online looksmaxxing community has.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 03:57 AM
2

I don't think it's fair or genuine to use a guy with an above-average face as an example of an average guy even if his body is shit, given how highly weighted facial attractiveness is when judging a man's overall looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 03:48 AM
3

TrueRateMe is retarded in general, and their standards, much like the standards of most looksmaxxing communities like vindicta, glowup and of incels and femcels, is often eurocentric and racist and deluded. If we're talking about male standards, incels are obsessed with masculinity and have tunnel vision for certain features and have no idea what women are actually attracted to. I remember in the female rating chart on TRM they actually said Summer Glau was a 5 when she clearly beat out a lot of…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 03:41 AM
5

Average features like in a blended morph are goodlooking, and the paradox is that the average person doesn't have a lot of average features, so the average person isn't goodlooking.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/21 03:37 AM
1

Might sound like a revelation for PPD but men don't actually need to be stunning for women to find them attractive enough to fuck. Granted, maybe he shouldn't be homeless but if he meets or surpasses the looks threshold enough income and charisma don't even need to be considerations.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/21 12:16 AM
15

What a loss.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/21 12:55 PM
3

I can concede that saying I'm a millionaire if I'm not is a literal lie, a verbal expression of untruth, versus a woman who makes everyone think she is more beautiful than she actually is. The bottom line is it's much easier from a literal and socially acceptable perspective for women to deceive people as to her value versus a man. I am not endorsing men lying about their height, or career, or about anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 12:40 AM
4

I mean if you're going to say "well they did it first so that justifies all the shit stuff we're doing back" and admit that what you're doing is awful, then just say that then instead of trying to justify or explain it.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 12:36 AM
2

I am against all liars and deceivers. Thing is makeup, a woman's way of inflating her value, is widely accepted. Even a woman lying about her weight is given some lenience. A man lying about his height and income is not. And unless you're in denial, we both know men value looks much more in women and women value career and means to provide in men.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 12:28 AM
3

Yeah and if I say I'm a millionaire, I'm not saying I'm high value and rich without my money. ...what? Seems like a very disingenuous answer. If women don't want to give off the impression that they look better than they actually do, why wear makeup at all? Please don't give me that "women wear it for themselves" spiel.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 12:26 AM
1

Right, so we agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/21 12:23 AM
3

Lol what's stopping men from arguing that if she didn't look that good to them with all that makeup on, they wouldn't have sought her consent by offering their own initially. Mutual consent implies consent from both parties regardless of who initiates. If lying or employing deception to get laid is a crime, a shit-ton of people are in trouble, but we know men will be the primary targets. "I had no idea he wasn't actually the tall confident alpha male he made himself out to be when we first met, …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/21 09:34 PM
12

I'd say lying about 1-2 cm is hardly comparable to the effect of makeup or women lying about weight, but, I give you credit for consistency and fairness.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/21 07:34 PM
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Society places a lot of value on a man's height and career. Would you be okay with men lying about their height and career?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/21 07:22 PM
2

Not every man can earn six figures and eventually be swimming in a sea of supermodels. However, it's a good rule of thumb that if a previously socially awkward or lost man in his 20s prioritizes career, self-improvement, and communication skills, he will likely experience vast gains in his dating life in his 30s and beyond.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/21 07:19 PM
-1

Why do guys brag about bedding sluts?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/21 12:42 AM
23

Apology in advance for the tangent. If FDS was merely a sub to help women weed out garbage men, that might be ok despite being very inflammatory, but it seems like it's just a place where toxic women go (after femcels or gendercritical got banned) to shit on men in general, like MGTOW but worse. I saw this post where the sub just gangs up on this employee who gave OP his number on a piece of paper at a food establishment, and I assume many posts are like this. I'm trying to keep an open mind, wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/21 12:38 AM
1

I don't know what I'm missing. I hear this all the time and for the most part I've noticed the woman is the more attractive one in every couple. This doesn't disprove AFBB in any sense but it tells me that looks aren't a strong priority for women when it comes to relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/21 12:23 AM
2

Use the OLD PUA stuff minus the big hats Lolll. I was wondering what universe I was in when watching some of these videos and thinking somehow the ideal man women are looking for these days is dressed like a clown or a magician. I believe it's called peacocking?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/21 10:12 PM
2

Honestly I find a lot of men to be objectively better looking than women especially when you remove the makeup. I'm just only sexually drawn to women. Sexually attractive beauty (present only in women to me) and objective beauty (like admiring a nice car) are on different planes (present in both sexes).
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/21 10:08 PM
8

I have in the past, for example red-pilled or black-pilled statements expressed with feigned sarcasm to see how they respond ("I mean, you gotta hit up all the hot bad boys while you can before you have to settle down, right? nudge nudge wink wink"). I'm not saying it's necessarily right or proper but my logic is that it gets all the doubting out of the way, and if the discomfort leads to things going sour so be it, I'll move on. So far I haven't noticed a correlation between uncomfortable quest…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/21 08:28 PM
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I'm suspicious and distrusting of people in general, it just so happens on the dating front since I'm straight I'm going to be dealing with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/21 08:01 PM
1

Do I have a moral obligation to physically protect anyone? No. Only exceptions are close family and friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/21 06:12 PM
1

Thankfully there wasn't any of that in my h/s or workplace, but I'll take your anecdote at face value. The point is looks are much more malleable for women than they are for men, as per the standards. For most women, just not being overweight is sufficient for most men to find them attractive, and not just in a "settle for her until something hotter comes along" sense. Short ugly, or even facially average men do not attract women and don't use makeup (without breaking social taboos) and can't ju…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/21 04:18 PM
1

Doesn't fit my observations IRL. Plenty of average or subpar people, men and women, in relationships period. If you're talking about flings or ONS, that's different, especially for men. Thankfully doesn't seem like looks play as big of a role when assessing men for LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/21 04:03 PM
1

Be a kind decent person because it's the type of person you want to be or feel you should be. Not to get women. If so you will be disappointed.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/21 03:45 PM
5

That makes sense. By working out and taking better care of my skin, I went from completely invisible to much more attention than what I was used to. I'm no Chad, but the difference between women not even knowing you exist to actually going "Hey, there's a guy here, what's he all about" is night and day.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/21 03:38 PM
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Not to mention a pretty face isn't even necessary for a woman to get lots of male attention. You can actually be fairly subpar and do just fine if you use makeup and aren't fat. Not the case for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/21 03:34 PM
2

Yeah we don't know what she looks like without the filters and makeup, I'll give you that. Still if 6 is her at her worst that's still decent and not "unattractive" or "below average" as so many men are saying here. We all know the difference between a 6 and a disingenuous 9 is some heels, contouring and warpaint. OP also seems to have some internalized eurocentricism with his "semitic bug eyes" comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/21 03:16 PM
2

Just lol at all the men in here saying she's not attractive. The delusion levels are off the charts, and I'm one of those men on this sub who would never hesitate to criticize women for anything. She doesn't need to be some average Jane for the point that women's SMV has skyrocketed due to social media to be valid.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/21 02:56 PM
6

The reason why a lot of men can't let go of CHAD is bc society still pretends like Chad doesn't exist when telling men how to behave with women. Men are constantly shamed for their lack of personality, game, or subpar life situations. Why say men are having problems with women bc they need to be more confident, respect women more, be less sexist, less toxic, etc. when Chad and many other toxic shitty men succeed with none of those things? The enduring message is much more than just "this is why …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/21 07:19 PM
2

Studies have also shown women who rate themselves as more attractive tend to prefer more masculine-looking men, and those who don't, prefer less masculine-looking men. I am not sure though, whether this is because of the biological factor or a psychological/emotional self-esteem factor, or maybe both.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/21 11:31 PM
3

Lol yeah I suppose game helps, my observations don't necessarily go against OP then but they kind of debunk this blackpilled idea of looks being everything, even for straight ONS.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/21 11:28 PM
6

Probably depends on the woman? I've had female friends who fit the archetype of the promiscuous type (tattoos, rebellious personality, high sex drive, whatever) and have turned down or ghosted objectively attractive men (deemed hot from their own mouths) because they thought "he was boring" during dinner.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/21 09:50 PM
1

It makes sense from an evolutionary standpoint that some women deem men who don't take the initiative to not be worth the time anyway, but for the record just because a man doesn't approach - much less within the first few seconds - it doesn't mean he's not interested. Men, esp younger inexperienced men are often plagued with insecurities, inhibition, shyness, etc. and men who are interested but end up saying and doing nothing is not an anomaly in the slightest.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/21 06:25 PM
5

Tall, muscular, european-looking, square-jawed, is conventionally attractive in the west. Every attractive man who's not most of those things, is unconventionally attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/21 02:35 AM
5

Unconventionally attractive men aren't ugly at all though, they just don't fit the conventional mold.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/21 01:04 AM
2

If OP actually meant what they wrote, by default they are still attractive so they won't have any problems, even if you argue that conventionally attractive men will do better.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/21 01:00 AM
1

From my experience this kind of rings true, I'm always surprised when my female coworkers gush over some dude and when I finally get a look the guy looks much softer or more unremarkable than the archetype I'm traditionally led to believe is attractive. There's also the obvious cliche answer that culture plays a huge role. For instance in Asia square jaws and high fWHR (broad faces) are considered ordinary at best and ugly at worst, with huge parts of the cosmetic procedure industry devoted to c…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/21 07:25 PM
5

I am not well-versed in TRP beyond generalities but somehow I don't think literally telling women you're an alpha male or following them home is in the guide book. At least I hope it isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/21 04:42 PM
5

Also, this doesn't include the many unhappy marriages even if there is no divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/21 03:41 PM
2

Can someone clarify what "if you didn't want me at my worst..etc" actually means. I was under the impression that it meant supporting someone eg a significant other or friend in a time of need, maybe involving emotional or psychological turmoil when they were not able to take care of themselves in the best way. I did not take it to mean refusing to date someone when they were unemployed. Should women be criticized for not dating a guy who looks homeless and has no job yet hypothetically show int…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/21 08:41 PM
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Who is criticizing women who don't want to date unemployed men? If there are men who actually say women should have given them a chance when they were unemployed, I haven't seen it, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that this isn't a strawman.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/21 08:51 PM
2

Lol I blame myself for not editing and assuming no one on this sub would be depraved enough to go there.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/21 04:42 PM
1

To everyone saying "BuT PinKPiLlmUhFeMiNiSm NoT SaMe aS FdS", some other commenter the other day wrote "Getting rid of the clubhouse doesn't get rid of the club members." No doubt the toxicity of PPF and shitholes like GenderCritical probably just bled into the other femcel type subs. FDS, which in name is supposed to be a dating site, has largely become a place now where bitter misandrists go to "roast scrotes" and masquerade as women with any value at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/21 03:43 PM
3

How do lame movie references or a brown belt with black shoes somehow lead to being afraid he will be a shitty father? If women can afford to next men based on stuff like this alone, they don't have it worse, or equal, to men re: dating by a long shot.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/21 12:54 PM
14

Again, pretty disingenuous to say choosers have it as bad as beggars because the choosers are picky. I don't believe the pool of admirers for most women are all ugly deadbeats.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/21 11:01 AM
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I think one of the grievances from men is that women have plenty of options but it's not that they aren't to her taste, many of them are at least partially but she keeps holding out for something even better. For the record I don't believe this is always true, but it's disingenuous to think women have it equally bad as men because they are perpetually in a sea of interested losers.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/21 10:55 AM
9

There are few things that give me more pleasure online than watching Radfems and Libfems eat each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/21 05:30 PM
2

Always a good thing to remember whenever I'm feeling down is at least I'm not working overtime for feet pics.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/21 04:25 PM
6

Ime people who start out average-ish in size/health have a higher tolerance what level of weight gain they'll accept. I think if they or SOs had started out fit things would have been different. Probs because if either partner was fit to begin with, their fitness or appearance played a role or much bigger role in why they were selected.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 11:11 AM
3

Bit of a strawman to assume the main problems people have with hypergamy are simply bc women refuse to date losers...
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 09:06 AM
2

At absolute best, the dad-bod is a nonissue or something that can be overlooked due to other qualities; most common case is women hamstering themselves into thinking it's a good thing or better than the alternative due to lack of options, or when their bf or husband happens to have one.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/21 08:52 AM
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Lol I guess I googled more recent pics of her as it's been awhile and I kinda see what you're talking about. 2/10 is still harsh, that's bordering on physical deformity territory.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 08:13 PM
1

Yeah the brain is very powerful in addition to the power of delusion and denial. I just know it could never work for me since I wouldn't be able to get away from the reality in my head.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 08:07 PM
5

C'mon man, Maggie Gyllenhaal aint ugly lol. I guess different strokes different folks something something. I never saw the appeal in Adrian Lima for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 07:51 PM
4

Honestly I never found Buscemi ugly. He's just kind of an interesting looking dude. And ofc he's old(er) now.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 07:47 PM
1

I never understood how this would work, since the whole point of non-sexual attention, intimacy, companionship etc is that the other person genuinely cares about you and likes spending time with you. If your brain knows you're just paying her to do it how is that emotionally fulfilling?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 07:44 PM
2

Ideally it would be. But it does not reflect people's dating preferences. Ask yourself why someone would start this conversation thread with a rebuttal that goes "It's men's fault. Of course if you give me the option of a Dacia (an average or subpar looking man) or an Audi (a goodlooking man) I'm going to choose the Audi." On the face of this, personality is not even in their equation.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 02:43 PM
2

.....I don't? It's a no-brainer there are asshole as well as caring Dacias and asshole as well as caring Audis. The point is in real life the personality, especially with OLD, matters little - aside from extreme degrees - yet generations of Dacias grow up being peddled this blue-pilled garbage about personality being #1 to preserve society and this type of sugar and spice and everything nice nonsense. And yes, I would blame all men and women who perpetuate this.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 02:32 PM
1

It's not your fault for picking an Audi, but it might be your fault, or society's, for telling multiple generations of Dacias that they are sufficient if not better than asshole Audis as long as they are caring and have a good personality when in reality women go for Audis en masse regardless of personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 02:21 PM
1

This might have been true 10-20 years ago or longer, but as it currently stands you have a significant amount of people with postgrad degrees competing for jobs that pay slightly over minimum wage so I would say the status holds a lot less weight nowadays.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 01:01 PM
7

And then saying PPD "has a sexism problem" while posting on FDS. That's like the glassiest glass house in the history of glassy glass houseryness.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 12:51 PM
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If you're genuinely wondering about this incongruence. the FDS in OP's posting history explains it by default.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/04/21 11:00 AM
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If a guy is a douchebag or has multiple red flags, has a woman ever been like "Yeah this is a huge problem, but damn he has that cozy lookin' dad bod, maybe I should stick around"? I doubt it. But women have let shit slide for muscular men, tall men, rich men, high status men, and men with model faces. That tells me everything I need to know about where the dad-bod stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/21 07:51 PM
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I think the point is that no woman chooses a guy with a dad-bod because of the dad-bod. The exception is women with issues or those who as some have said would feel pressured or insecure being with a guy who is in shape. Maybe in the olden days in some cultures extra chub implied wealth or means and luxury to live well, but I don't think that applies anymore.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/21 02:15 PM
3

But then "not all men" is skirting the issue...of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/21 01:45 PM
5

Height is often very important, but in the event that it's not, the shorter guy usually has something else going for him like looks or wealth. In the event that women choose a dad-bod, likewise there is something else going for him too, like height, looks or wealth. It's not the dad-bod at all. I don't feel the OP really made an argument for anything since they specified "tall" and chubby, and indicated preference for wealth, because you know that's shocking.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/21 01:41 PM
4

Everyone already knows about "personal preference". What they are really wanting to know or argue is whether the majority of a demographic prefers or does ___________. The science of human biology exists for a reason and it's not a coincidence you'll find certain traits much more preferable or popular than others, which is why under many physical specifications for men you'll find women listing minimum requirements for height or even eye color, and not ear or nose size.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/21 01:05 PM
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I was exchanging posts with someone in that other thread and the example she gave to show that dad-bods are attractive to women wasn't even really a dad-bod, although I suppose it qualified. She also said he wasn't handsome, which I mean is not a good sign for many men since he definitely had a good face. His chin wasn't receding, if anything it was well developed and was just covered up by chub. I think it's just another case of women using a pool of men they'd already consider dating/fucking i…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/21 01:02 PM
2

There's a good chance many if not most women under 5'7" would still prefer and reflexively select the 6'2 guy with the regular, good-enough face.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/21 08:17 AM
2

I guess the compensation here is that SMV for men isn't entirely looks-based, although it's probably more looks-based than a lot of blue-pilled men have been raised to believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/21 04:37 PM
0

Happens all the time if you are talking about LTR and not ONS. There is definitely a looks threshold but for most women it is not that high and actually more based on things like grooming and hygiene.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 12:53 PM
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A 5'2" man 110 lbs soaking wet is physically more built for violence than a much heavier 5'11" woman all other things mostly equal (eg assuming the tall woman is not a trained street fighter). Even if the woman is trained, the man has an inherent biological advantage, and PC culture does women no favors by assuring them they are able to ward off male attackers after a few kickboxing classes at the local 24 Hour Fitness. This belief is dangerous and OP is right to be concerned for their friend's …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 12:22 PM
1

I'd agree if you're talking about the bottom 2.5%, but what about 40th percentile or even a bit below? Back in school there were the groups of popular dudes who did well with girls, and honestly I remember them being a mixed bag based purely on looks, with some being downright conventionally subpar. Instead what were the traits they all held in common? They were socially extroverted and competent, often sportive, involved in school activities, threw or attended parties and had connections or wer…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/21 06:55 AM
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I mean if you are socially outgoing and competent, getting into social circles of any type is easy. Being goodlooking or "not ugly" always gives you an advantage, but if you're a socially stunted looker you'll run into major problems too trying to network.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 12:46 PM
1

There are plenty of conventionally unattractive or nerdy ass men in social circles with lots of women. Doesn't necessarily mean the women want to date him. Unless we're talking about extreme degrees usually being ugly doesn't stop someone from making friends of any sex or gender or whatever you call it these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 12:44 PM
1

Observing the number of looksmatched couples doesn't really do much in terms of guaranteeing good-faith debate on PPD. From the TRP perspective, they can always argue that if the guy is uglier he is just being betabuxxed.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/21 08:52 AM
2

Oh ya for sure. I don't say this often but they are one of the few groups where I feel they deserve their mental illness and angry circle jerks. Blows my mind honestly if there was an actual high-value woman why she would ever feel the need to resort to FDS unless there was something very wrong with her that people can't initially see. The sub is, according to members, meant to help HVW "vet" LVM but seriously, if that was actually all it was, would you need a community for that? Just...ghost or…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 08:00 PM
2

It's more like the lowest value women deluding themselves into thinking they are the highest value.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 07:53 PM
3

they are so high valued that they have priced themselves out of the market entirely This is...a joke right
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 07:50 PM
1

Maybe red pill ideology resonates more at least with the men in non-western countries because as a whole people from those countries have more financial troubles and TRP prescriptions resonate deeper with them ie poor or working-class men have much more to lose when they fuck up with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 04:56 PM
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Nothing, just talking lol. I suppose it's weird to respond on reddit without necessarily seeking to argue or prove anyone wrong. Edit: BUT you did say wealthy people tend to be vain and maybe I was saying ehh I dunno. Maybe acting, musician, and model celebrities definitely though. I think vanity crosses socioeconomic barriers, but the ones in the upper ranks have much more of the means and luxury to pursue it if they so desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 04:44 PM
4

You'd think as a group wealthy men would be better looking then. But maybe wealthy men are different from wealthy women, they don't care as much about their looks bc they have their money - and also they are men.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/21 04:41 PM
2

As long as you think it isn't a problem for men to automatically assume women are entitled shallow hypergamous gold-diggers until they prove otherwise. Self preservation isn't just about actual life-and-death situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/21 09:27 PM
1

Low inhibition and extroversion go a long way. A guy with those qualities plus being goodlooking (or less ugly) will do even better, but either way it works, unless we are talking about severe degrees.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/21 01:47 AM
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